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IRC Log for 2012-02-18

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[0:04] <ukscone> well sbrsh
[0:04] <ukscone> but that's a given
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[0:16] <traeak> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0383623
[0:16] <traeak> is that your standard arduino ?
[0:18] <UnderSampled> traeak: I think so
[0:21] <traeak> interesting...looks like this actually could jsut go hand in hand with an rpi
[0:21] <traeak> just noticing how cheap it is
[0:26] <UnderSampled> well, their isn't much to an arduino
[0:27] <UnderSampled> it's basically just an avr, an ft232rl, a vultage regulator, usb and power-barrel connectors, two status leds and a few caps/resistors
[0:27] <UnderSampled> oh, and a reset button
[0:32] <traeak> never looked into it before is all
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[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Hardware here are the various official arduinos
[0:39] <Ben64> i couldn't start the torrent until now, i hope i can still seed a bunch
[0:39] <Ben64> ooh... 16MB/s upload
[0:40] <Ben64> apparently seeds are still needed :D
[0:42] <Ben64> 2GB uploaded the past two minutes
[0:43] <ReggieUK> that's an arduino uno, not exactly a standard arduino
[0:43] <ReggieUK> it *doesn't* have an ftdi chip on it
[0:43] <ReggieUK> they replaced that with a mega162u
[0:43] <ReggieUK> which houses the bootloader and does the serial to uart stuff that the ftdi used to do
[0:44] <ReggieUK> that's a mega16u2*
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[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> eff-blac-72000-10105-72000-955-27511100
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> (ignore that)
[0:48] <traeak> uno is way less capable i gather?
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think there's a standard arduino
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> and no it's not "way less capable" they are all pretty similar
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[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> apart from the really tiny ones
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[0:54] <ReggieUK> even the tiny ones are as capable
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[0:56] <traeak> i'll remember that when i start building my own self guided missiles :-p
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> well they have less pins, for one.
[0:58] <ReggieUK> looking at the design, even if you blow the 'arduino' chip, you could still manage to build something on the 16u2 too
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[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> the hacking site I got my crackme's from seems to have been hacked =(
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[1:02] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne2, the arduino nano is the only one that seems to be lacking a little bit
[1:02] <mrdragons> ShiftPlusOne2: What site?
[1:03] <ReggieUK> and that's only an analog pin or 2
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> ReggieUK, I'll admit I haven't really looked at the full specs of each one, so I'll take your word for it.
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> mrdragons, tdhack.com
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah, it's back up now... but I don't trust it =/
[1:04] * ukscone looking at strings in the start.elf and bootloader.bin files
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne2> ukscone, magictux has already found some interesting things, but much of it has already been mentioned in that config.txt thread
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[1:05] <ukscone> yup -- no config.txt in the rootfs image
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[1:07] <victhor> which "interesting things"? The part where hardware features can be restricted by software means?
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[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne2> nuh, nothing THAT interesting
[1:12] <victhor> :P
[1:12] <ukscone> not really other than it seems to be vc3 i thought we had vc4
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[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne2> vc?
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[1:15] <ukscone> videocore
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah
[1:16] <traeak> vidcore 3 on the rpi instead of 4 ???
[1:17] <ukscone> probably just what was lying around when they put the rootfs together
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[1:28] <ukscone> some intersting stuff in /opt
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[1:34] <mrdragons> Whatcha talkin' about, kernel sources?
[1:35] <ukscone> nope video player and some example code
[1:35] <ukscone> and a few other odds and sods
[1:36] <traeak> ooo
[1:36] <traeak> where's the torrent?
[1:36] <ukscone> [raspberry@localhost bin]$ ls
[1:36] <ukscone> ilplayer vcdbg vcgencmd vchiq_test vcmemmap
[1:36] <ukscone> [raspberry@localhost bin]$
[1:37] <ukscone> [raspberry@localhost hello_pi]$ ls -al
[1:37] <ukscone> total 40
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 7 1001 users 4096 Feb 14 07:26 .
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxr-xr-x. 3 root root 4096 Dec 31 1969 ..
[1:37] <ukscone> -rwxrwxr-x. 1 1001 users 54 Feb 14 07:26 cross_compile
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 2 1001 users 4096 Feb 16 04:45 hello_audio
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 2 1001 users 4096 Dec 31 1969 hello_triangle
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 2 1001 users 4096 Dec 31 1969 hello_video
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 2 1001 users 4096 Dec 31 1969 hello_world
[1:37] <ukscone> drwxrwxr-x. 2 1001 users 4096 Feb 14 07:26 libs
[1:37] <ukscone> -rwxrwxr-x. 1 1001 users 881 Feb 14 07:26 Makefile.include
[1:37] <ukscone> -rwxrwxr-x. 1 1001 users 459 Feb 14 07:26 README
[1:37] <traeak> ideone.com :-p
[1:38] <G> traeak: the image torrent? http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[1:40] <traeak> thx, seems i'm the only one pulling at this moment
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[1:42] <traeak> sweet 3MB/s (24megabit)
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[1:50] <warddr> traeak, there are several Gbps seeders. In the beginning I was seeding the full 100Mbit for about an hour
[1:50] <G> warddr: in that case, I must thank you :), likely got some bits from you :)
[1:57] <traeak> thanks
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[2:04] <warddr> G, ratio: 36,84
[2:04] <warddr> yw by the way :D
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[2:16] <Tachyon> yay, debian
[2:16] <Tachyon> err
[2:16] <Tachyon> is this debian or suse?
[2:16] <warddr> debian
[2:16] <Tachyon> ah, wondering why it has a login with suse
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> Squeeze, my main squeeze.
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> :)
[2:17] <Tachyon> oh wow, 900 seeds, 500 peers, will I even get a board...
[2:18] * RITRedbeard seeds.
[2:18] <Tachyon> very glad to see debian though, I am not a fan of deadrat
[2:18] <Tachyon> or distributions based on it
[2:18] <hamitron> deadrat?
[2:18] <Tachyon> redhat
[2:18] <hamitron> ah
[2:18] <hamitron> :)
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> red stool
[2:19] <hamitron> it isn't that bad ;/
[2:19] <hamitron> if centos didn't need i686 cpu, I'd have tried it for longer
[2:19] <hamitron> it felt good imo
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> feels good man
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[2:33] <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UQrzDsh1A
[2:34] <ukscone> vgrade: just watched it -- nice
[2:35] <piofcube> I might aswell seed that R-Pi SD card image on Torrent :-)
[2:35] <vgrade> has all the headers and libs for gles and OMX
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[2:35] <vgrade> still has the nonstandard gles though
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[2:37] <traeak> how often are there new images released?
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[2:37] <vgrade> this is the first
[2:38] <vgrade> well apart from the one I posted from my alpha ages ago
[2:38] <traeak> i could seed over the weekend :-p
[2:38] <traeak> that's why i was asking
[2:39] <Ben64> vgrade: what did you use to play the video
[2:39] <traeak> it's a pita to calculate the offsets for loopback mount
[2:40] <vgrade> there is some example code on there which shows you how to play video using the openmax driver
[2:40] <traeak> but its possible
[2:40] <Ben64> oh, its not just like.... "mplayer" ?
[2:42] <vgrade> well given they have shipped the openmax code then this cand be used by upper layers like gstreamer which then enables the higher level players
[2:43] <traeak> youch swap partition
[2:43] <traeak> not very kosher, kills flash pretty quick
[2:44] <traeak> cool 3.1 kernel
[2:44] <traeak> gcc 4.4 isn't going to be very popular
[2:45] <slaeshjag> 4.6 is too buggy anyway
[2:46] <traeak> gcc 4.6 has some c++11 stuff on it though it seems like that's gaining a lot of momentum
[2:46] <traeak> anyways
[2:46] <traeak> there will be other distros
[2:46] <traeak> what's buggy with 4.6 ?
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[2:46] <slaeshjag> I have actually gotten gcc to stop compiling, and requesting me to send a bug report :)
[2:47] <traeak> i've had one of those for 3 diff releases of msvc :-p
[2:47] <traeak> actually had one for 4.5 its fixed in 4.6
[2:47] <slaeshjag> That's not acceptable :P
[2:47] <slaeshjag> I had one in 4.6.1 I think
[2:48] <traeak> it wasn't crtical for what i was doing, but understood
[2:48] <traeak> the msvc one isn't critical either (yet)
[2:48] <slaeshjag> The one I got prevented the program from being built
[2:48] <traeak> mostly msvc just generates code that crashes at runtime
[2:48] <slaeshjag> that's kinda bad
[2:49] <traeak> msvc10 i mean
[2:49] <traeak> anyways
[2:49] <traeak> good to see the image and i see where the code samples are
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[3:02] <WASDx> liz just said "some days after that" regarding the 20 february date
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[3:04] <WASDx> someone mentioned earlier that eben said something about a week or two in the latest inverview
[3:04] <WASDx> nice seedings guys :) nothing left for me to seed on my seedbox :(
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[3:06] <Syliss> oi all
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[3:08] <RITRedbeard> oi oi oi
[3:08] <Syliss> so close!
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[3:10] <RITRedbeard> seed party!
[3:10] * RITRedbeard gets out the glow sticks and MDMA
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[3:11] * mrdragons dances around in some dance he'll regret seeing on video later
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> if I was at university you guys would be experiencing some major fast speed
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> sadly, I am at home :(
[3:15] <Henchman21> not if i was the network admin
[3:16] <RITRedbeard> where I'm from we shoot IT people
[3:16] <RITRedbeard> the upload is capped at 20 mbit
[3:17] <Syliss> lol
[3:17] <Syliss> I'm getting osx 10.8 atm
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> represent building 70, third floor
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> ROC town
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> you know what's up.
[3:17] <Henchman21> layer7 filtering to atleast stop the unencrypted torrenting and gnutella junk
[3:18] <Henchman21> maybe even drop .torrent file downloads
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> maybe at university of mediocre shit
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> plus our department does their own thang
[3:19] <Syliss> lol
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> ITS is just our ISP
[3:19] <Syliss> i never went to uni
[3:19] <Syliss> just community college
[3:19] <Syliss> didn't have the money to go to uni
[3:19] <Henchman21> well if it was my network i'd be reserving the bulk of the pipe for legitimate stuff aka myspace would be blackholed and other wastes of life
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> Henchman21, marks like you be shot just for goin' round our WAY
[3:19] <Syliss> like Facebook?
[3:19] <Henchman21> but all that filtering would mean my torrents would be awesome
[3:20] <Henchman21> it is MY network :P
[3:20] * RITRedbeard gets his CS Glock
[3:20] <RITRedbeard> Whose network is it now?
[3:20] <Henchman21> you can shoot your router it wont bother me
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[3:21] <RITRedbeard> Can't "administrate" with a gun in your mouth, huh?
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> HUH?
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, brother.
[3:21] * RITRedbeard pops his collar.
[3:21] * hamitron has all facebook, twitter and youtube type stuff banned
[3:21] <Henchman21> call tech support ill send you to music on hold for atleast an hour before you talk to a human who will send you back to music on hold for another hour
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> ITS is on site
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> lol
[3:22] <Henchman21> probably playing rick astley music
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> Good.
[3:22] <RITRedbeard> I like his music.
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[3:25] <Henchman21> hamitron: dont forget google
[3:26] <hamitron> I would if I could
[3:26] <hamitron> :)
[3:26] <hamitron> sadly, need a search engine
[3:26] <hamitron> ;)
[3:27] <Henchman21> ill use google when searching for useless stuff like pony pictures
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> use excite!
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[3:28] <RITRedbeard> if they're still around
[3:28] <Henchman21> http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25900000/U-Mad-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-25970703-360-360.gif
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> is this some freenode staff?
[3:28] <hamitron> way I feel about the state of the internet, may just block it all ;)
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> because freenode is pretty shitty
[3:29] <RITRedbeard> should have this channel on slashnet
[3:29] <RITRedbeard> that's where all the real OGs hang
[3:29] <hamitron> OGs?
[3:29] <RITRedbeard> Original Gangsters.
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[3:47] <mrdragons> Sooon, u best not be calin me a posa, im OG as dey cum
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[5:01] <Syliss> I'm so happy i kept an 8gb micro sd card from a phone i sold!
[5:01] <Syliss> going to be perfect for a rpi!
[5:02] <linlin> when can i get one of these things?
[5:02] <Syliss> never?
[5:03] <Syliss> lol some time after the 20th. we don't know the exact date of purchase yet
[5:03] <Syliss> but they should all be done by feb 20th.
[5:03] <linlin> they going to sell out basically instantly ?
[5:05] <Syliss> yep
[5:05] <linlin> it would be cool if they sold them as a kit
[5:06] <DaQatz> I'm gonna get 2 then
[5:06] <DaQatz> BECAUSE MAGIC
[5:08] <Syliss> DaQatz: they are limiting 1 per person
[5:09] <DaQatz> But magic
[5:09] <DaQatz> Syliss, 1 per address actually.
[5:09] <Syliss> u hope
[5:09] <DaQatz> It's what they said.
[5:10] <Syliss> hmm
[5:10] <Syliss> i have 2 address, actually i could have 4 if i use my mom-in-law
[5:10] <Syliss> but I'm not going to be greedy
[5:10] <Syliss> I'm only going to try to order 1
[5:11] <DaQatz> We all want our pi's
[5:11] <piofcube> I wouldn't be suprised if they make sure your payment method address matches also
[5:11] <Henchman21> still have to worry about shipping
[5:11] <Syliss> yeah i wonder how expensive its going to be
[5:12] <Henchman21> its small so theres always that
[5:13] <DaQatz> I think they will find the first batch will sell out fast.
[5:13] <Syliss> well yeah
[5:13] <DaQatz> So batch will likely be bigger.
[5:13] <DaQatz> 2*
[5:13] <Henchman21> ordered a few things from the uk to the states recently it was less than 10$
[5:13] <Henchman21> takes forever though
[5:14] <Henchman21> like a week
[5:15] <Syliss> i have time cause I'm not working
[5:15] <Syliss> since i broke my leg
[5:15] <Syliss> I'm happy debian will run on pi
[5:15] <Syliss> i wish puppy linux did tho
[5:15] <DaQatz> Deb is good
[5:16] <DaQatz> I'm going to install gentoo on it.
[5:16] <DaQatz> One way or another.
[5:16] <Syliss> I'm not a fan of gentoo
[5:16] <Syliss> i may do arch, but too much commands
[5:16] <DaQatz> Does arch have an ARM branch?
[5:17] <Henchman21> lul
[5:17] <linlin> any word of any third parties marketing accessories?
[5:17] <linlin> cases, etc ?
[5:17] <Syliss> really DaQatz ?
[5:18] <DaQatz> Really what?
[5:18] <Syliss> not yet linlin. they will offer a case after the first batch
[5:18] <Henchman21> ill make you a case for 20$ +10 shipping XD
[5:18] <DaQatz> I asked a question I didn't make a statement.
[5:18] <Syliss> yes arch does arm
[5:18] <Henchman21> anything else you want? i could use more money
[5:18] <mrdragons> It's not an official arm branch, it's a seperately maintained project
[5:18] <Syliss> you've never heard of dockstar or pogo plug have you?
[5:19] <DaQatz> I'll probably just get a small plastic case for it.
[5:19] <Syliss> radio shack ftw
[5:19] <DaQatz> Like a travel soap box or something
[5:19] <Syliss> i wish i new someone with a 3d printer
[5:20] <Syliss> well, i do but they live in seattle and I'm in cali
[5:20] <mrdragons> If they're selling the faulty boards from manufacturing, I should make a case from broken raspis. :P
[5:20] <Henchman21> i'd think a flat sheet of acrylic some mounting screws and velcro to slap it to the back of a tv
[5:20] <ukscone> Syliss: 3d printers are so yesterday. i'm waiting for a 4d printer
[5:20] <Syliss> meh
[5:20] <mrdragons> Same, I want to be able to print time
[5:20] <ukscone> that way i could print some more time to do things in
[5:20] <DaQatz> That way you can print it before you know you want it.
[5:21] <Henchman21> i want to build a reprap printer
[5:21] <Syliss> Henchman21: mine is going on the back of my tv
[5:21] <mrdragons> Wonder how well it'll run minecraft
[5:21] <mrdragons> minetest*
[5:22] <Henchman21> heh
[5:22] <Henchman21> thats a good use
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[5:23] <Syliss> i need it for a tv pc
[5:23] <Syliss> i hope it can run flash ok
[5:23] <DaQatz> Good luck with that.
[5:23] <Syliss> i know
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[5:24] <Henchman21> arm flash plugin...
[5:24] <Syliss> i just want to stream stuff like rev3 and twit.tv
[5:25] <Syliss> and for $35, its worth it
[5:25] <Henchman21> other ways besides flash
[5:25] <linlin> the obvious use is at a media center type computer
[5:25] <linlin> but theres so many other devices out there that already do that 10x better..
[5:25] <Syliss> Henchman21: not those, they only stream flash, sadly
[5:25] <Syliss> linlin: not for the price
[5:26] <linlin> i guess
[5:27] <Syliss> most things that stream what i want are $80+
[5:27] <Syliss> plus ill get to tinker with the board :)
[5:28] <Henchman21> what would you stream with a raspberry pi?
[5:28] <linlin> yeah that part ill agree with
[5:28] <linlin> still trying to find a practical use of the thing
[5:29] <Henchman21> i doubt it'd make a good rendering server
[5:29] <Syliss> internet shows
[5:29] <Syliss> to my tv
[5:29] <Henchman21> xbmc
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[5:29] <Syliss> yep
[5:31] <Henchman21> i have brown boogers
[5:31] <Henchman21> :)
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[5:38] <Syliss> yey dled debian for pi
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[5:42] <linlin> i got it seeding on 3 100mbit machines and one shared gigabit
[5:42] <linlin> for the swarm
[5:43] <Syliss> cool
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[5:43] <Syliss> my up is crap, only 768kbits
[5:45] <Syliss> if i get the pi ill have to get a usb wifi and a powered usb hub
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[6:21] <Syliss> oh and a hdmi cable for the pi
[6:22] <RITRedbeard> Thank God it's Friday.
[6:22] <DaQatz> It's Saturday now
[6:23] <RITRedbeard> I got rhymes to keep you enchanted,
[6:23] <RITRedbeard> producer smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted,
[6:23] <RITRedbeard> so check the flavor that I'm bringin, the D-R-E, I keep the heads ringin'.
[6:24] <RITRedbeard> (ring ring rong)
[6:25] <RITRedbeard> Your rhymes sound like you bought 'em at stop-n-go, I came wax you, so, just call me wax-n-glow,
[6:25] <RITRedbeard> or something
[6:25] <RITRedbeard> rap is entertaining
[6:26] <RITRedbeard> but yes, it is saturday :(
[6:26] <Syliss> is it a full hdmi port?
[6:26] <RITRedbeard> I think so?
[6:27] <Syliss> good
[6:27] <Syliss> cheaper cables on mono price :)
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[6:31] <Syliss> yes it full size hdmi!
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[6:46] <DaQatz> Hmm dl'ing Rpi card image =)
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[6:47] <Ben64> from torrent?
[6:47] <DaQatz> Yep
[6:47] <Ben64> :D
[6:47] <DaQatz> Didn't bother with the http
[6:47] <DaQatz> Torrents tend to be faster
[6:48] <Ben64> i've been seeding it
[6:48] * DaQatz nods
[6:48] <Ben64> only 15GB so far though :(
[6:48] <Ben64> i'm seeing 1900 seeds and 700 leechers
[6:49] <DaQatz> Think there's any interest in the pi?
[6:49] <DaQatz> ;)
[6:49] <Ben64> probably not
[6:49] <Ben64> its gonna fail
[6:49] <Ben64> i really hope i can get one of the first batch, i got a bunch of plans for it
[6:49] <Ben64> don't want to put stuff fully into motion without having a physical one to make sure it'll all work
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[11:15] <SpeedEvil> Dammit - I want an ipad3 screen netbook.
[11:15] <xlq> Whoa, 279 peers for the Debian 6 image!
[11:15] <SpeedEvil> 2048*1535 res FTW
[11:17] <xlq> SpeedEvil: O_o
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Note - I don't want an ipad3
[11:18] <xlq> Ur, wait, 855 seeders? O_o
[11:18] <haltdef> I see 1372 seeders 268 peers
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[11:19] <haltdef> been maxing my upload all night, 1.7GB so far
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> Does this mean I can use bittorrent for its intended purpose of downloading linux distributions?
[11:19] <xlq> Yeah! :D
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[11:23] <barrybarryk> lol
[11:24] <mjr> there have even been *gasp* ipv6 peers around
[11:24] <Ben64> that reminds me, i need to set up ipv6 on my server
[11:24] <rm> yay ipv6
[11:24] <Ben64> only uploaded 20GB on this torrent :(
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[11:38] <haltdef> hm, 2GB SD might be a bit small
[11:38] <haltdef> 236MB free on the debian rootfs
[11:39] <Da|Mummy> where do you still find 2gb sd cards?
[11:39] <haltdef> I'm using the microsd that came with my ??100 andrid phone :P
[11:39] <haltdef> fastest randoms out of all of my cards
[11:41] <Da|Mummy> i see that the usa is seeding 90% of the distro image, wheres all the international customers, and only one UK seeder in my list :|
[11:42] <Da|Mummy> or is that torrent tracker just smart enough to grab people close to me
[11:42] <haltdef> I'm seeding to mostly UK machines
[11:43] <haltdef> one german, one swedish
[11:43] <Da|Mummy> ahh, i rarely use torrent, so dont know how smart it is
[11:43] <Ben64> i have one US and one FR server seeding
[11:44] <mjr> afaik torrent clients can grab the peer list and decide themselves who to contact, but I'm not really positive how it works
[11:44] <mjr> of course in any case a tracker _could_ just give close-by peers if available
[11:45] <mjr> and a client _could_ prefer close-by peers by itself
[11:45] <mjr> do they do it, freck if I know
[11:45] <Ben64> 1/10 clients connected to my FR server are US
[11:45] <Ben64> 0/5 clients connected to my US server are US
[11:46] <Ben64> and one ipv6
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[11:55] <Davespice> good morning folks
[11:58] <Davespice> has anyone got an example of the correct dd command to burn the images to an SD card? :)
[11:58] <Davespice> not sure what block size should be used
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[12:01] <rm> Davespice, block size is irrelevant, it only matters for performance of the copying operation itself
[12:01] <rm> you can use bs=1M
[12:01] <Davespice> oh I see... I thought it was to do with sectors/tracks etc
[12:01] <Davespice> thank you
[12:02] <Davespice> also, I'm not quite sure how you make it write the different partitions
[12:03] <Ben64> the image can have multiple partitions
[12:04] <Davespice> dd bs=1M if=/dev/sd0 of=*filename*
[12:04] <Davespice> but there are two files in the zip file?
[12:04] <Davespice> is one of them just for information?
[12:04] <Ben64> i haven't actually looked in the zip yet
[12:04] <Dagger3> pretty sure debian6-17-02-2012.img.sha1 has the sha1 hash of debian6-17-02-2012.img in it
[12:05] <Ben64> and why is your dd command backwards
[12:05] <Davespice> oh okay, yeah I've just started seeding it myself so thought I'd have a quick look
[12:05] <Ben64> if = input
[12:05] <Davespice> oh sorry...
[12:05] <Davespice> so if=image ?
[12:06] <Ben64> if you want to put it on the sd card, yeah
[12:06] <Davespice> okay sorry, it's backwards because I don't know what I am doing :)
[12:06] <Davespice> not used dd before
[12:06] <Ben64> dd isn't smart, it takes anything in if= and puts it in of=
[12:07] <Davespice> dd bs=1M of=/dev/sd0 if=./debian6-17-02-2012.img <- better? :)
[12:07] <Ben64> maybe
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[12:07] <Ben64> not sure if sd0 will work
[12:07] <Ben64> might have to be sd
[12:07] <Davespice> oh okay, I was just guessing on that
[12:07] <Ben64> depends on the actual device
[12:07] <Davespice> but otherwise it's good :)
[12:08] <Ben64> since i'm guessing it has multiple partitions, it'd have to be written to the whole drive instead of the partition
[12:08] <Davespice> I can double check that
[12:08] <Dagger3> debian6-17-02-2012.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 0, startsector 2048, 153600 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 3, startsector 157696, 3256320 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x82, starthead 3, startsector 3416064, 391168 sectors, code offset 0xb8
[12:08] <Davespice> yeah, I am guessing it does a low level byte write
[12:08] <Dagger3> (so yes, it has multiple partitions)
[12:08] <Ben64> Dagger3: fdisk?
[12:08] <Davespice> 3 partitions?
[12:08] <Dagger3> that was from `file`
[12:08] <Davespice> wow, I thought it was only going to be two
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[12:08] <Ben64> oh nice
[12:09] <Ben64> file is pretty awesome, didn't know it did all that
[12:09] <Davespice> thanks Dagger3
[12:09] <Ben64> i heard stuff about the image having a swap partition
[12:09] <Davespice> oh maybe that is what it is
[12:09] <Ben64> not really a good thing to have on an sd card though
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[12:10] <Davespice> I am wondering, excuse the dumb question please folks, when the partitions are written to the SD card - will it take into account the variable free space on them? What I mean is will the root linux partition use up all the available free space? or do we need to manually sort that out?
[12:11] <Ben64> manually
[12:11] <Davespice> okay, so you'll only see 1Gb of space?
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[12:11] <Davespice> whatever the size of your sd card?
[12:11] <Davespice> type of thing...
[12:11] <Ben64> you'd have to resize the partitions yourself
[12:11] <Davespice> okay, that's cool
[12:12] <Ben64> either on the image, or after you write them
[12:12] * Davespice nods
[12:12] <Davespice> thanks
[12:12] <Ben64> could probably split the image into three files, one for each partition, and write them separately
[12:12] <Dagger3> probably easiest to do it with gparted after writing it
[12:13] <Ben64> I bought a 16GB card for my r-??
[12:13] <Davespice> yeah I was thinking of doing the same, I might keep a few 2GB cards for playing with various distros though
[12:14] <Davespice> gparted? is that a default debian package then?
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[12:14] <Ben64> oh wow, its a 1.8GB image file
[12:14] <Dagger3> I doubt it's installed by default, but it's in apt-get
[12:14] * Davespice nods
[12:14] <WASDx> yay 1 ratio on the seed :)
[12:14] <Davespice> great, thanks for all the advice chaps
[12:15] <Davespice> lol, mine is 0.179, only seeded it this morning though :)
[12:16] <Ben64> 27.25
[12:16] <Davespice> good one :)
[12:17] <WASDx> started it about 10 hours ago
[12:17] <WASDx> downloaded it as 1.6mb/s which is the limit of my internet
[12:17] <WASDx> and my upspeed can reach somethime like 230kb/s
[12:18] <WASDx> it's a seedbox i have that is not at home
[12:20] <Iota> Good afternoon, all.
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[12:23] <Ben64> well that was easy enough
[12:23] <Ben64> p1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 2, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 4, hidden sectors 2048, sectors 153600 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 598, reserved3 0x1800000, reserved 0x1, serial number 0xeae13836, unlabeled
[12:23] <Iota> :o
[12:24] <Ben64> p2: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=79c26528-4a85-43e6-bae0-e9c0d17adbbd (extents) (large files) (huge files)
[12:24] <Ben64> p3: Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size 48895 pages, no label, UUID=84044b12-3eec-41cd-b470-c4edec16502e
[12:25] <Dagger3> https://p.6core.net/p/3zznrikh14iandmx <-- ok, so I fed this to Deluge's peer blocker
[12:25] <Dagger3> now getting a grand total of one Teredo peer \o/
[12:26] <Ben64> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root 27K 2011-02-15 13:43 su
[12:26] <Ben64> looks like r-?? comes pre-rooted!
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[12:29] <Dagger3> oh, that's awkward. the three partitions are FAT32 (77 MB), ext3 rootfs (1590 MB) and swap (191 MB)
[12:29] <Ben64> ext4 :P
[12:30] <Dagger3> in that order. so you can't just resize the rootfs to fill the remaining space; you have to futz around with moving the swap partition out of the way too
[12:30] <Ben64> i separated them though, so i can do whatever i want
[12:30] <WASDx> Maybe you can remove the swap-partition and add it later?
[12:30] <Ben64> that works too
[12:30] <Dagger3> types 0xc, 0x83 and 0x82 respectively then, if you're going to be a pain :-)
[12:30] <Ben64> swap isn't special
[12:31] <Dagger3> or use a swap files with something like `swapspace`, yeah
[12:31] <Ben64> i want to disable swap though
[12:31] <WASDx> me too i think
[12:31] <Ben64> nothing good can come out of a bunch of random writes onto flash memory
[12:32] <Dagger3> fewer OOMs can come out of it
[12:32] <Ben64> meh
[12:32] <Ben64> i'll use a network swap if i need to
[12:33] <Dagger3> flash is pretty resilient, and even if it does fail SD cards are cheap anyway. I'd rather take the fewer crashes over worrying about the card
[12:33] <Ben64> would only have 12.5MB/s maximum throughput though, but thats pretty fast compared to most flash
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[12:35] <xlq> [11:30] <Ben64> i want to disable swap though
[12:36] <xlq> I've never found swap useful. Ever.
[12:36] <xlq> If you ever actually need swap, it just starts thrashing and the whole system grinds to a halt.
[12:36] <WASDx> maybe it will be on 256mb ram
[12:36] <Ben64> it was useful when 512MB of memory was a lot
[12:37] <xlq> It was useful when 16M was a lot, I think.
[12:37] <Ben64> heh
[12:37] <xlq> When hard disks weren't much slower than RAM.
[12:37] <xlq> Linux is *terrible* at scheduling when swap is involved.
[12:37] <Ben64> I have 4GB of ram now, and I never use all of it
[12:38] <Ben64> sometimes i download stuff into ram just because i can
[12:39] <Dagger3> I have this thing called a file cache that eats all my spare RAM...
[12:39] <Ben64> that doesn't count
[12:40] <xlq> It counts in as much as that extra RAM isn't wasted.
[12:40] <Ben64> doesn't count like "oh, my ram is full, so i must not have enough"
[12:40] <xlq> Indeed.
[12:40] <Dagger3> which is why I like having at least some swap. there's always going to be *some* memory pages that never get used, and could be swapped out more-or-less permanently in order to give me more cache
[12:41] <Ben64> -/+ buffers/cache: 612 3349
[12:41] <xlq> Perhaps. But the idea of letting any user completely disable your computer is not very good.
[12:41] <xlq> I have 2G swap for 5G RAM. That's far too much swap. I just run without any now.
[12:42] <xlq> I have a very small RDC321x computer with 32M RAM and I could compile programs on that with gcc with no swap.
[12:42] <Dagger3> if you're going to worry about that, then it's even worse without swap, since they could just then eat up all your RAM and start OOMing random processes
[12:42] <xlq> So I think for many people 256M of the raspberry pi should be plenty.
[12:42] <Ben64> model A could have some problems with 128 maybe
[12:43] <xlq> Dagger3: True. Either way, Linux handles OOM badly.
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[12:45] <xlq> Hmm, computer freezing vs. killing an X screen locker. Which will it be? :-\
[12:46] <xlq> For desktops I'll take random processes getting killed, because usually if I run out of memory it's because I made a mistake in a program and it won't stop allocating. Programs allocating such vast amounts of memory get a high OOM score, thankfully.
[12:48] <rm> recently I have compiled the Linux kernel on 60 MB of RAM
[12:48] <rm> the biggest problem was to have the compiled kernel packed
[12:49] <rm> because nowadays this is done with LZMA, which requires a lot of RAM
[12:49] <rm> so it was being OOM-killed
[12:52] <mjr> hmh, does the kernel use lzma these days? or you just mean packaged?
[12:53] <rm> yes, LZMA to pack vmlinux
[12:53] <rm> also otherwise it wouldn't fit into flash :p
[12:53] <rm> I think I ended up overriding the default lzma command line with "lzma -3"
[12:53] <xlq> rm: You can set it to bzip2 or gzip in the configuration.
[12:54] <rm> to use a lower compression ratio, which consumes less RAM, but still makes it fit
[12:54] <xlq> Oh, "otherwise it wouldn't fit[...]".
[12:54] <xlq> I want to see how fast gcc will run on the raspberry pi, because gcc can be terribly slow.
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[13:30] <Dagger3> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vvQKaVTX <-- supposedly the kernel's config file, as extracted by extract-ikconfig
[13:30] <Dagger3> "# CONFIG_IPV6 is not set" concerns me slightly
[13:31] <rm> derp
[13:31] <Thorn_> doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorp
[13:32] <urs> wow, the debian image contains a *lot* of backdoor accounts.
[13:32] <urs> I'm not claiming evil intent here, but there are at least 5 unnecessary user accounts in there.
[13:32] <nils_2> thanks to all torrent-seeder. thats fun, to download the debian package :-)
[13:33] <WASDx> got 1.6 ratio already :)
[13:33] <WASDx> thanks to all the leachers for increasing my ratio! hehe
[13:33] <nils_2> a pleasure WASDx :-)
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> If you get a high enough ratio, you get GPU source.
[13:34] <haltdef> I'll be building my own debian rootfs and kernel once I have hardware
[13:34] <haltdef> how hard can it be
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[13:36] <WASDx> I want arch :(
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[13:42] <WASDx> \o/
[13:44] * xlq wants arch too
[13:46] <pippin> xlq, WASDx: then you should probably put arch on it ;)
[13:46] <WASDx> yeah but i don't know how
[13:47] <WASDx> i suppose someone will make an image for me to download eventually
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[13:59] <xlq> Might even try Linux From Scratch
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[14:03] <xlq> WASDx. Now there's someone with direction. *rimshot*
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[14:37] <hamitron> oh boy, in my drunkenness last night I did "rm -rf /mnt/memory/ *" to clear a memory card, with current directory been home :/
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[14:38] <hamitron> didn't want that extra space ;)
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I noticed that
[14:38] <hamitron> I dunno why \o/
[14:38] <hamitron> thankfully I only lost 300MB of stuff
[14:39] <hamitron> 130MB of that was just a mirror of security updates
[14:39] <hamitron> the rest I am not really sure
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> well you'll find out once you realise you are missing something important
[14:41] <hamitron> I think the worst thing lost is a few windows apps, with 1 day special free codes
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[14:42] <hamitron> maybe a good thing, as I really don't need so many different things to do the same thing
[14:42] <pippin> hamitron: dd a copy of it, run it through strings and such and look for things you recongize...
[14:42] <hamitron> although, wish I could find something that encodes MP4 files as fast on linux, as WinAVI Converter does in windows
[14:43] <hamitron> pippin, thought about it.... but got better things to do, ty :)
[14:43] <hamitron> sound advice though
[14:43] <pippin> keep the dd copy in case you discover that you are missing something...
[14:43] <pippin> you do not have to dig through it right away
[14:44] <hamitron> I'm pretty sure I had nothing
[14:44] <hamitron> only installed everything on this comp 1 day ago
[14:44] <hamitron> but it has woken me up for when that is not the case
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[14:44] <hamitron> making a few mistakes like that recently :/
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[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> finally got my name cloaked
[14:53] <hamitron> :)
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[16:15] <ReggieUK> anyone know what the r-pi chip costs the foundation per unit?
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[16:16] <SpeedEvil> I'd not be surprised at ~$5
[16:17] <ReggieUK> I'm having a discussion with someone about chip pricing and they reckon arm chips are costing mobile manufacturers in the order of 10 pence each
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> Bull.
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[16:18] <ReggieUK> that's what I'm calling his statement :D
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> Given that (for example) stm32 are barely below a dollar for the more expensive ones, even in quantities of >>50k
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[16:58] <Tachyon> is it nearly out yet?
[17:00] <urs> almost nearly out.
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[17:08] <rm> they should push harder
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[17:30] <mjr> breathe, breathe
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[18:11] <Henchman21> get the knife
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[18:11] <Henchman21> going to make this happen
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[18:31] * Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[18:32] <xlq> ?
[18:38] * Disconnected.
[18:38] -adams.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
[18:38] -adams.freenode.net- *** Checking Ident
[18:38] -adams.freenode.net- *** Found your hostname
[18:38] -adams.freenode.net- *** No Ident response
[18:38] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.

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