#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-27

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Thorn_> it'll be like win 95
[0:00] <zgreg> Ben64: yes, but not poweroff
[0:00] <Thorn_> "It is now safe to turn off your computer"
[0:01] <pippin> "It is never safe to turn on your computer"
[0:01] <Thorn_> 23:13:57 up 191 days, 23:07, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.14, 0.16
[0:01] <Thorn_> indeed :)
[0:01] <Thorn_> oh you said 'on'
[0:01] <Ben64> 15:01:15 up 6 days, 22:17, 6 users, load average: 0.67, 0.66, 0.66
[0:01] <Thorn_> sorry, my bad
[0:02] <Ben64> your time is wrong
[0:02] <Thorn_> yeah its my dedi
[0:02] <Thorn_> it's been going out of sync for the past year
[0:02] <Ben64> fix that shit
[0:02] <Thorn_> i need to install ntp or something
[0:02] <Ben64> 15:02:08 up 86 days, 19:45, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.16, 0.10
[0:02] <Ben64> server 1
[0:02] <Ben64> 15:02:18 up 16 days, 6:37, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.08
[0:02] <Ben64> server 2
[0:03] <Thorn_> vps or dedi? :P
[0:03] <Ben64> both dedi
[0:03] <Thorn_> ah
[0:03] <Ben64> 86 days ago a huge power outage broke server 1
[0:03] <Ben64> and 16 days ago... i bought server 2
[0:03] <Thorn_> :D
[0:04] <DDave> heh
[0:04] <Thorn_> had something similar here
[0:04] <DDave> 00:03:14 up 169 days, 9:51, 1 user, load average: 2.81, 2.82, 3.04
[0:04] <Ben64> high load
[0:04] <DDave> participating in e-penis contest :)
[0:04] <DDave> Yes.. its a server
[0:04] <DDave> rofl
[0:04] <Thorn_> lost 100 days of uptime because the dc decided to 'accidentally' turn my server off then denied anything ever happened (yet i still had to log a separate ticket to get them to turn the thing back on)
[0:04] <Ben64> so are my servers
[0:04] <rm> 23:03:55 up 468 days, 4:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[0:04] <Toneloc> anyone know anything about an EPSON PX-4 ?
[0:04] <DDave> Correction: It is a busy server.
[0:05] <rm> and it's a VPS
[0:05] <DDave> Should upgrade it tho, to something bigger..
[0:05] <Ben64> mine will be busy if they use it for r-?? images
[0:05] <rm> IPv6-only, and... free
[0:05] <Thorn_> a vps with 0 load?
[0:05] <Thorn_> i don't believe you!
[0:05] <DDave> Ben64: :)
[0:05] <rm> it runs several IRC bots and not much more
[0:06] <DDave> that doesnt generate much load :)
[0:06] <Ben64> server 2 is core i5 sandy bridge, not a lot can increase load
[0:07] <Thorn_> server4you were offering 24-core opterons a while ago for 139e/mo
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[0:07] <DDave> sweet
[0:07] <Thorn_> yep
[0:07] <Thorn_> but about 3 times my budget ;p
[0:08] <DDave> perhaps a 24core could reduce the load on the box I copy/pasted..
[0:08] <DDave> LOOL
[0:08] <Thorn_> :D
[0:08] <Ben64> 15:08:00 up 16 days, 6:42, 7 users, load average: 3.02, 0.99, 0.39
[0:08] <Ben64> multithreaded x264 encode!
[0:08] <DDave> :D
[0:09] <Ben64> 15:08:37 up 16 days, 6:43, 7 users, load average: 4.07, 1.49, 0.58
[0:09] <Ben64> hmm... how high can that go
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[0:10] <Ben64> 15:09:58 up 16 days, 6:44, 7 users, load average: 4.41, 2.25, 0.93
[0:10] <Ben64> leveling out around 4.4
[0:11] <DDave> cya round.
[0:11] <DDave> *going to bed*
[0:12] <Toneloc> 'night
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[1:01] <Kuba> hey!
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> ...
[1:01] <Kuba> SpeedEvil: ?
[1:02] <ceng> ?
[1:03] <Kuba> rpi tonight? ;]
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[1:03] <Foxhoundz> Hello
[1:04] <Foxhoundz> People of rapberry
[1:04] <Foxhoundz> Is it out yet?
[1:04] <PiBot> Foxhoundz: Any minute now...
[1:04] <Foxhoundz> Really?
[1:04] <Foxhoundz> ok
[1:05] <Kuba> :D
[1:06] <FireFly> ^_^
[1:06] <curahack> that shit just never gets old
[1:06] <curahack> but it's really reaching the every minute now point ;)
[1:06] <Foxhoundz> FireFly: you.
[1:07] <FireFly> Me?
[1:07] <ceng> You!
[1:07] <Foxhoundz> Is the pi coming out tomorrow?
[1:07] <curahack> maybee :|
[1:07] <FireFly> It is!
[1:07] <Kuba> btw, are undergrads from Cambridge involved in RPI?
[1:07] <FireFly> ...maybe
[1:07] <ceng> Maybxe!
[1:09] <Foxhoundz> I just saw a video of someone using the Pi with a GUI
[1:09] <Foxhoundz> the thing was going nearly 1 FPS
[1:09] <Foxhoundz> ....
[1:09] <curahack> did you guys check out https://rpi-developers.com yet?
[1:09] <Foxhoundz> not yet
[1:10] <Foxhoundz> But
[1:10] <Foxhoundz> I have a few scripts
[1:10] <Foxhoundz> I would like to contribute to
[1:10] <Foxhoundz> including my IRC client
[1:10] <curahack> please do! :D
[1:10] <Foxhoundz> ...in Python!
[1:10] <DaQatz> !channel
[1:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots #raspberrypi-owners
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[1:10] <curahack> create an account, start a project, and I'll approve it
[1:11] <DaQatz> First thing I will try to get running on the pi is BE arm gentoo.
[1:11] <smw> is the rpi 64bit arm?
[1:11] <Thorn_> it's 32bit leg unfortunately.
[1:11] <DaQatz> Mind there IS no BE arm gentoo so i will have to up to stage3 the hard way.
[1:12] <DaQatz> Already have the enviro pieces crossed compiled for when I have the hardware.
[1:12] <smw> Thorn_, leg?
[1:12] <Thorn_> *woosh*
[1:12] <Foxhoundz> Node.js on Pi? :o
[1:12] <smw> ah leg...
[1:12] <smw> got it
[1:13] <smw> Thorn_, but it is 32bit?
[1:13] <smw> got it
[1:13] <Thorn_> as far as i know yep
[1:13] <DaQatz> yes
[1:13] * smw is slow today
[1:13] <smw> Thorn_, it is 32bit unarmed :-P
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[1:14] <DaQatz> I would love to see haiku running on the pi.
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[1:22] <MBS> so are there any actual problems with using a UHS-I SD card?
[1:22] <MBS> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sdxc-sdhc-uhs-i,2940-10.html
[1:22] <MBS> because in this bench the extreme pro 16gb came out fastest for 4k random write
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[1:23] <SpeedEvil> MBS: The model may change randomly to one that sucks. Do not assume firmware or actual card model to remain constnat.
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[1:26] <FireFly> Foxhoundz, why not? I had it running on my phone
[1:26] <FireFly> (node.js)
[1:26] <MBS> that bench was the 45MB/s version, there is a new 95MB/s version now, trying to find benchs
[1:26] <victhor> avoid sandisk
[1:26] <Foxhoundz> FireFly: I'm worried about the RAM requirements
[1:26] <victhor> erm, I meant kingston.
[1:27] <victhor> use sandisk, transcend.
[1:27] <Foxhoundz> The Model B will have 256 MB of RAM, right?
[1:27] <FireFly> Foxhoundz, the ..
[1:27] <FireFly> I was just about to ask you that
[1:27] <FireFly> Word by word
[1:27] <FireFly> Anyway, I think so, yes.
[1:28] <Foxhoundz> I've been used to having 4 GB+ of RAM for so long, I never took into consideration what my computer can handle and what it cannot
[1:28] <MBS> although how important is random writes really?
[1:28] <MBS> i know random reads are important but
[1:29] <MBS> logs and journaling are going to be off
[1:30] <MBS> also will the pi work with SDXC cards?
[1:31] <Foxhoundz> Wouldn't any standard SD card with the Pi?
[1:31] <Foxhoundz> I have an SD card adapter with a micro SD card I'm planning to use
[1:31] <Foxhoundz> hopefully it won't cause any problems
[1:32] <MBS> well SDXC is pretty much new name for SD cards above 32GB
[1:32] <MBS> think right now it is pretty much compatable with all SDHC stuff but not sure
[1:32] <Foxhoundz> it has to be SDHC?
[1:34] <MBS> no
[1:34] <Foxhoundz> MBS: I'm referring to this: http://www.letstalk.com/img/prod/128/sandisk-16gb-microsd-card-with-sd-adapter_pdi.gif
[1:34] <Foxhoundz> that's the exact model I have
[1:34] <MBS> well thats SDHC anyway
[1:34] <Foxhoundz> MicroSDHC
[1:34] <MBS> normal SDs only went up to 2GB in general (there were a few 4GB ones though)
[1:35] <Foxhoundz> I see
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[1:39] <Foxhoundz> I'm beginning to worry about the lack of communication in the mailing list
[1:39] <Foxhoundz> Word on the street is, Pi is going to hit the stores on Monday
[1:39] <Foxhoundz> that's about six hours from now
[1:40] <Foxhoundz> And yet, theres still no details whatsoever
[1:40] <hamitron> or today
[1:40] <hamitron> ;)
[1:40] <Foxhoundz> I doubt it'll be today
[1:40] <Foxhoundz> Wait
[1:41] <Foxhoundz> Where do you live, hamitron
[1:41] <hamitron> UK
[1:41] <hamitron> 00:42
[1:41] <Foxhoundz> ;)
[1:42] <hamitron> bah
[1:42] <hamitron> trying to figure out what recording format my sony bravia tv records to
[1:42] <hamitron> see if they can be converted, maybe for on a r-pi
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[1:44] <hamitron> google is just full of newb questions, on how to plugin a usb hdd
[1:44] <hamitron> :/
[1:45] <Foxhoundz> hamitron: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpromedia/thread/dd070588-e852-4a3a-a201-60633ac931d2/
[1:45] <Foxhoundz> wait
[1:45] <Foxhoundz> wrong link
[1:46] <hamitron> if you found it on google, I obviously suck :/
[1:47] <Foxhoundz> was it what you're looking for?
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[1:48] <hamitron> I thought it was the wrong link
[1:48] * hamitron clicks it
[1:49] <Foxhoundz> no no
[1:49] <Foxhoundz> It was
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[1:51] <hamitron> no, I'm not wanting to send video to the tv
[1:51] <hamitron> :)
[1:51] <danieldaniel> is it out yet?
[1:51] <PiBot> danieldaniel: Any minute now...
[1:51] <danieldaniel> aww
[1:51] <hamitron> the tv has recorded tv programs onto a usb hdd, and I want to somehow watch them on my PC
[1:53] <hamitron> it creates ext2 partitions on the drive, so most people asking questions online, seem to want to know why their windows pc can't read it after the tv has done this
[1:53] <hamitron> ;)
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[1:53] <piofcube> Linux live CD and another USB card/HDD perhaps?
[1:53] <hamitron> ofc
[1:54] <hamitron> but I know this, and looking for something else
[1:54] <hamitron> :)
[1:54] <piofcube> :-)
[1:54] <hamitron> hex editor doesn't enlighten me at all
[1:54] <hamitron> but I am not hugely up on media either
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> There used to be windows ext2 drivers
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> third party
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> I last used windows 98 though.
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> So...
[1:55] <hamitron> I should maybe upload some short video files on some tech forum, and ask people if they can work out how to play them
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[1:56] <SpeedEvil> what does 'file movie' say
[1:56] <piofcube> www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows dunno anything about the apps on the page though
[1:57] <hamitron> the problem is the encoding of the video, not accessing the files....
[1:57] <piofcube> vlc?
[1:57] <hamitron> vlc won't play them
[1:57] <piofcube> what make is your TV?
[1:58] <hamitron> sony
[1:58] <piofcube> and model LOL.. sorry
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: file will tell you what sort of file they are
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> Or have I misunderstood you, and you're using windows
[1:58] <hamitron> I'm using slackware
[1:58] <hamitron> KDL32CX523
[1:59] <piofcube> if you're trying to play them via the live CD the chances are the codecs aren't installed
[1:59] <hamitron> not using a livecd, and have no clue what codec it is
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> stick a short one somewhere
[2:00] <hamitron> ok
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> you might try uploading to youtube for giggles too
[2:01] <piofcube> I take it these have avi filenames?
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[2:01] <victhor> I installed ubuntu on a computer with 512 MB of RAM. Right after startup, 370 MB used
[2:03] <victhor> gone are the days where ubuntu worked fine on 512 MB.
[2:03] <hamitron> .00 filenames
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[2:05] <piofcube> Looks like some form of DRM is added to the files :-(
[2:05] <hamitron> sample video file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32851148/01000002.00
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[2:06] <hamitron> a 30 min vid works out about 710MB
[2:07] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, not got youtube
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[2:40] <excelangue383> ohai
[2:41] <danieldaniel> ohai
[2:41] <danieldaniel> oh crap
[2:41] <danieldaniel> 201 members
[2:41] <danieldaniel> I really hope I get it in tiem
[2:41] <danieldaniel> :(
[2:41] <excelangue383> so should I be waiting up all night
[2:41] <excelangue383> ?
[2:41] <danieldaniel> yes
[2:42] <excelangue383> I'm in the chicago time zone
[2:42] <excelangue383> F5 all night
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[2:43] <danieldaniel> excelangue383: exactly
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[2:44] <excelangue383> The store site is the one to F5?
[2:44] <danieldaniel> no idea about that one
[2:45] <excelangue383> I'm guessing so
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Reloading the store will do nothing.
[2:45] <excelangue383> whaa?
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> It's been repeatedly stated that tehre will be plenty of notice given.
[2:45] <excelangue383> through the mailing list, yes?
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Running silly scripts, or banging on F5 simply boosts server costs.
[2:46] <ReggieUK> *cough* FAQ *cough*
[2:46] <excelangue383> I just wanted to make sure that I was watching the right place
[2:46] <excelangue383> but now I know
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> Simply liurk here.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> If it hits >60 lines/min - then it's probably been announced.
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[2:50] <excelangue383> hope it doesn't hit while I'm in class
[2:51] <mkopack> I swear, the people spamming the server constantly refreshing are IDIOTS
[2:51] <mkopack> there' NO reason to do that??? NONE AT ALL
[2:51] <mkopack> They've said repeatedly that we'd get 24 hours notice before they'll be on sale??? Just CHILL??? check your email for the notification email, or maybe hit the website 3 times a day to look for the announcement.
[2:51] <mkopack> that's ALL that's needed. NOTHING more
[2:52] <mkopack> All you're accomplishing by constantly F5'ing is driving up hosting/server/bandwidth costs for the foundation and wasting a lot of your time
[2:53] <ReggieUK> indeeed
[2:53] <ReggieUK> it's not free day
[2:53] <ReggieUK> r-pi aren't testing their servers
[2:53] <mkopack> and even if it WAS, there'd be no reason do that until right before it goes on sale
[2:55] <Henchman24> heh
[2:55] <Henchman24> i check like daily thats it
[2:55] <Henchman24> and im on the mailing list
[2:57] <Henchman24> F5? must be some windows thang
[2:57] <Henchman24> XD
[3:00] <Henchman24> but that cant be
[3:01] <Henchman24> cause windows user only use mice not keys
[3:01] <Henchman24> zing
[3:04] <hamitron> F5 works in IE, firefox and chrome....
[3:04] <hamitron> ;)
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[3:13] <ReggieUK> wow,first time I've seen someone hand themselves their own ass today, well done Henchman24
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[3:22] <slaeshjag> hamitron: Althogh I really can't understand why anyone would use F5, isn't exactly a logical keycombo
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[3:22] <hamitron> yeh
[3:23] * slaeshjag only have ctrl-R mapped to refresh
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[3:24] <hamitron> I use the "windows users way" and click the recycle icon with a mouse
[3:24] <hamitron> ;)
[3:24] <hamitron> I find the function keys often have the mess from my desk overhanging them
[3:24] <hamitron> :/
[3:24] * slaeshjag doesn't have a menubar in his browser
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[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.4
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> " - Winelib now supports the ARM platform.
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> "
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't get it... =/
[3:26] <slaeshjag> Combined with Qemu, it could theoretically be usable
[3:26] <hamitron> maybe for future windows ARM apps?
[3:26] <slaeshjag> I'd love to see MIPS-support though
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder what they mean by support exactly
[3:27] <mkopack> sounds like the Fedora image will get final testing tomorrow and them posted
[3:27] <slaeshjag> With Loongsons x86 emulation aiding instructions, wine/Qemu could really fly
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[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> 'qemu-i386 /usr/local/qemu-i386/wine/bin/wine /usr/local/qemu-i386/wine/c/Program\ Files/putty.exe'
[3:35] <hamitron> I really doubt qemu will "fly" tbh
[3:35] <hamitron> ;)
[3:36] <hamitron> the r-pi is lacking resources to run intense native apps
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> "run the assembler parts of x86 in qemu and call function in Wine compiled for ARM, which might speed up some things (darwine tried that before, but they stopped because the byteswapping (big endian <-> little endian) was too much work, but ARM is mostly little endian, so we have a chance if everything works fine with packed structures. I already gathered some information how darwine tried to do it)"
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, a guy got windows xp running in qemu emulating ARM running qemu emulating x86.... considering there are masochists like that out there, maybe someone would put up with something like that.
[3:37] <hamitron> well, yeh :)
[3:38] <hamitron> but maybe best to not encourage this madness :|
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[3:38] <hamitron> want a slow x86, get a slow x86 from a skip
[3:39] <ReggieUK> and some people will stick their finger up their ass, zoom out on google maps and pretend they've been abducted by aliens but it doesn't mean we all have to try it
[3:39] <hamitron> haha
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, but it doesn't mean that he won't do it anyway
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> just wondering... what are the main differences between usermode qemu emulation and virtual machines like java? Is it the same principle?
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[3:43] <hamitron> hmmm
[3:43] <Syliss> ???..
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> what I am getting at is that qemu+wine sounds a bit like running android, in terms of performance... unless I am completly wrong in thinking that it's similar.
[3:44] <ReggieUK> I've never tried wine
[3:44] <ReggieUK> always had a windows box to play with
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[3:45] <rk[imposter]> i am excitebike for raspi!
[3:45] <ReggieUK> so no point farting around with wine hoping stuff will work
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[3:45] <mkopack> Shift: It's ???. GENERALLY??? a similar concept??? to a point
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[3:45] <rk[imposter]> :)
[3:46] <mkopack> The JVM reads in java byte code, which is basically the same as assembly for a virtual CPU design
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[3:46] <mkopack> Although, at one point, there WERE Java CPU's made by Sun, but they didn't go far??? only out for like 1-2 years back in the late 90's
[3:47] <hamitron> bah, go back to the basics with software, and make the r-pi run like a beast :)
[3:47] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, +100
[3:47] <ReggieUK> does jazelle bring anything to arm with regard to java?
[3:47] <ReggieUK> I don't think I've seen much of it around
[3:47] <mkopack> ARM had SOME direct Java byte code execution stuff added to their CPU's (the J in the AMR model numbers) but it's largely been thrown out and superseded with other things
[3:47] <ReggieUK> certainly not on the 3 units that have had it on the chip that I've messed with
[3:47] <slaeshjag> I think it's used with Java ME on dumbphones
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I think it needs to be licensed to be enabled or something.... the CPU can run the bytecode, but you need some special VM to make use of it.... at least that's what I've managed to gather in the little bit of research I bothered doing. Could be wrong.
[3:48] <ReggieUK> it's on these:
[3:48] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/LeapFrog_Pollux_Platform
[3:48] <ReggieUK> but never used/referred to
[3:48] <ReggieUK> and we have the source code for most stuff from leapfrog
[3:49] <ReggieUK> and these
[3:49] <ReggieUK> http://sites.google.com/site/repurposelinux/df3120
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[3:49] <mkopack> AMR has basically nixed Jazelle totally
[3:49] <ReggieUK> again, never used, never referenced, although in fairness to parrot, they didn't put the linux on there
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[3:50] <ReggieUK> while we're here, anyone know anything about bluetooth-alsa?
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[3:51] <ReggieUK> who wrote pibot?
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[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> some jerk, I bet.
[3:52] <ReggieUK> just a thought, could we ask them to spam a PM to anyone that joins with the message 'NO, ITS NOT OUT YET'
[3:52] <rk[imposter]> well, it wouldn't be in too good taste of times. looks like it will be released soonly.
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well until they !accept or something
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[3:53] <ShiftPlusOne> but I think most people ask for the hell of it, not because they actually think it might be
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[3:53] <rk[imposter]> is there any documentation on interacting with the raspi's GPIO pins?
[3:54] <ReggieUK> someone was talking about an alternative to swap the other day, clutching at straws here but anyone remember what it was called?
[3:54] <ReggieUK> rk[imposter], there's a datasheet that lists some stuff
[3:54] <ReggieUK> not a huge amount though I don't think
[3:54] <ReggieUK> not sure if gerts released any information (as he would be most likely to know anything given that he's building an IO addon board)
[3:55] <ReggieUK> zram, that was it :)
[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I think I saw some source code to use the GPIO pins in C somewhere
[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> might have been on cnx-software.com
[3:55] <ReggieUK> oh nice :)
[3:56] <ReggieUK> I'm sure it won't be massively difficult
[3:56] <rk[imposter]> thanks to both of you
[3:56] <rk[imposter]> i wouldn't imagine it would be either
[3:56] <ReggieUK> as it's arm and linux
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> But I am not sure if I saw it or if I only think I saw it.
[3:56] <ReggieUK> you wished you'd seen it
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe
[3:56] <ReggieUK> was the code next to a pony?
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> damn that cnxsoft guy writes a lot of articles
[3:57] <ReggieUK> if there were ponies or unicorns then it was a wish based sighting
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> anything I want to write, he gets done straight away >=/
[3:58] <rk[imposter]> i am looking forward to messing around with the GPIO
[3:58] <ReggieUK> like what ShiftPlusOne? I'm looking on cnx-software.com but it looks more like a blog on techstuff
[3:59] <ReggieUK> I'm looking forward to small lower power linux boxes that haven't got a bunch of crap strapped to them already
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, raspberry pi tutorials... I was going to do a howto on running the debian rootfs in qemu, which he did the day the rootfs came out
[3:59] <ReggieUK> got a link to them?
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I beat him to this one though http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/18/raspberry-pi-emulator-in-ubuntu-with-qemu/
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> but he took it further
[4:01] <ReggieUK> I've seen this mentioned a few times recently by some people recently
[4:01] <ReggieUK> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/26/the-yocto-project-overview-and-update-elc-2012/
[4:01] <ReggieUK> yocto
[4:01] <mkopack> Son of a ???. ARGH
[4:01] <ReggieUK> does that have any merit with regard to pi?
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[4:01] <mkopack> I was trying to follow those directions earlier and ran into a problem with making the kernel, and here I see the link to get a prebuilt one! ARGH
[4:02] <ReggieUK> I've seen a few build systems growing around hardware platforms and frankly another effort that doesn't quite make it simple isn't something I'd relish
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[4:03] <ReggieUK> I'm wondering if you guys have had any experience with the yocto project?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> it seems like it could be ideal for arm platforms
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[4:04] <ReggieUK> it seems a lot of leverage of random retail devices is gained through knowledge of other chips to 'root' them or get your own distro loaded
[4:04] <ReggieUK> so something like yocto seems like it could be a decent resource
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[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ah there we go http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#Code_examples
[4:06] <ReggieUK> are the gpio strictly gpio or are they multipurpose?
[4:07] <mkopack> I believe they are multi. IIRC many can be used for multiple different things
[4:07] <ReggieUK> it's a pretty standard thing but always worth asking
[4:08] <ReggieUK> here's a case in point for looking at other arm11 devices for inspiration
[4:08] <ReggieUK> Foundation will not include an SPI driver in the initial release, we hope the community might write one.[
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[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, what do you mean? what's the difference between multipurpose and general purpose?
[4:09] <ReggieUK> derp, I should read carefully
[4:09] <ReggieUK> It is also possible to reconfigure some of the pins to provide an ARM JTAG interface
[4:09] <ReggieUK> Nope, ShiftPlusOne, I was asking if they were multipurpose gpio or just flat gpio
[4:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, I don't have the experience to know what the hell the difference is then
[4:10] <ReggieUK> well, basically, the gpio pins can be more than just gpio :)
[4:10] <ReggieUK> so they can double up and be jtag pins
[4:10] <ReggieUK> or spi
[4:10] <ReggieUK> i2s
[4:10] <ReggieUK> etc.
[4:11] <ReggieUK> but in general you want them to be one thing or the other
[4:11] <ReggieUK> when you're using them of course
[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> well... considering there are SPI and I2C labelled pins...
[4:12] <ReggieUK> sure but I wasn't sure if they were dedicated spi and i2c pins and a bunch of gpio or multipurpose on all pins
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> but in general, isn't it just a matter of implementing the right protocol? Take the GPIO pins you need and code the interface to function as SPI, for example?
[4:15] <ReggieUK> well, yes and no, you would only code the interface if you had no choice
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's what I meant
[4:15] <ReggieUK> much better to use the pins as they will have registers associated with them that just make life easier (in theory)
[4:15] <ReggieUK> otherwise you're into the realms of bitbanging
[4:16] <ReggieUK> I Wonder why they put 6 unconnected pins in the header
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> which isn't as fun as it sounds
[4:16] <ReggieUK> hehehe :)
[4:17] <rely> is it out yet
[4:17] <PiBot> rely: Any minute now...
[4:21] <ReggieUK> interesting that i2s might still be accessible
[4:22] <ReggieUK> and that it might be done via removing resistors that are used to identify the board revision :)
[4:22] <ReggieUK> that shouldn't be too difficult to implement (generally speaking)
[4:23] <ReggieUK> just a question of overriding the board number that it's going to expect to read from those pins
[4:23] <ReggieUK> if we've got access to that code of course
[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne> What's all this fuss about I2S anyway?
[4:23] <ReggieUK> audio
[4:24] <mkopack> because you can do digital audio with it
[4:24] <ReggieUK> and analog
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> what about the audio you get from the HDMI port?
[4:24] <ReggieUK> that's all well and good if you've got it hooked up to a hdmi screen
[4:25] <ReggieUK> otherwise you're stuffed
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and the analogue jack? and can't you just take the audio from the hdmi port without needing a screen?
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course the quality is 'meh' from the analogue jack, but still.
[4:25] <Tachyon`> any news?
[4:26] <ReggieUK> whitney died
[4:26] <mkopack> Daytona 500 rained out until tomorrow
[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, Brad Pitt and Jolie might be having another baby
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[4:27] <Tachyon`> ugh, isn't one of them a scilon
[4:27] <Tachyon`> ?
[4:27] <Tachyon`> poor kid
[4:28] <Tachyon`> but (as you well know) I meant wrt the pi launch...
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> oh...
[4:28] <mkopack> Tach???. No news...
[4:28] <mkopack> Fedora port might get released tomorrow
[4:28] * ShiftPlusOne closes the E News tab
[4:28] <Tachyon`> ahh, I'll be using debian, lol
[4:28] <Tachyon`> fedora is of the devil, if hell existed it's what machines bought there would run
[4:29] <ceng> !channels
[4:29] <Henchman24> heh
[4:29] <ReggieUK> I only want one app and a webcam to work
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[4:29] <ReggieUK> I don't care what os is on there
[4:30] <ReggieUK> what does debian have over fedora or vice versa?
[4:30] <Tachyon`> oh I am so not getting into that at 3:30am
[4:30] <Tachyon`> suffice it to say that fedora is based on red hat
[4:30] <Tachyon`> a distribution witha history of security issues
[4:30] <Tachyon`> whereas debian I've been using since 1999 with no problems
[4:30] <ReggieUK> debian has pre-compiled armel binaries doesn't it?
[4:31] <Tachyon`> yup
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, so does fedora
[4:31] <ReggieUK> not particularly bothered about security (for my pi)
[4:31] <Tachyon`> oh, well I plan on using one of mine as a basis of a wearable computer
[4:31] <Tachyon`> although the first oen will likely become my NAS
[4:32] <Tachyon`> I'll have to wait for batch 2 for more -.-
[4:32] <Tachyon`> but I suppose one per person is fair given the likely demand
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[4:35] <mkopack> Saw "Act of Valor" tonight??? not bad??? kinda sad at the end.. very sombre
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[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like yet another "America, f*ck yeah!" movie
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (but I am sure it's still a decent movie)
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[4:39] <mkopack> yeah, it is??? but also a lot about sacrifice and valor
[4:40] <duckinator> hi
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[4:41] <xaal> now that Ive setup alarms on the words sale and available, I can go Back to sleep. I'm counting on you, channel!
[4:41] <Da|Mummy> when is the sale?
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> sale and availability?
[4:41] <mkopack> xaal: You'll get the email 24 hours before it goes on sale??? GEESH
[4:41] <mkopack> RELAX
[4:41] <ReggieUK> I wonder if we can trigger xaals alarms
[4:41] <ReggieUK> in about 30mins
[4:41] <mkopack> lol
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the plan
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless it's actually available on sale in 30 minutes
[4:43] <ReggieUK> whoops, did I let the cat out of the bag?
[4:44] <xaal> 24 hrs before sounds generous, I'm unsure if I am subscribed though. Anyway, good night :-)
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[4:45] <mkopack> 2 weeks of this and I'm already frustrated seeing how people are dealing with this release. I can't IMAGINE how Liz and the rest of the RPI folk must feel by now!
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, whoever recommended mint linux xfce edition, thanks... works great.
[4:46] <xaal> Mkopack, I know the hysteria must be taxing, but don't you appreciate people's eagerness for open source products?
[4:47] <ReggieUK> It's easy to get jaded when you've seen lots of stuff pass through irc
[4:47] <mkopack> yeah, but when people are doing DUMB things like refreshing the site every 5 seconds, or writing scripts to do so, instead of READING the FAQ and realizing that that's not needed AT ALL, and in fact is just screwing the Foundation by wasting bandwidth and time, I get annoyed
[4:48] <ReggieUK> as it's always the same cycle that occurs
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Would anyone be interested in a solar panel tutorial.... how to find the theoretical output you'll be getting, how to store and use the energy and so on? I am studying renewable energy this semester, so it might be helpful for me to write up that sort of thing.
[4:48] <ReggieUK> there's nothing wrong with enthusiasm but asking whether it's out yet is a bit like taking kids on a long car journey
[4:49] <ReggieUK> 'are we there yet'
[4:50] <xaal> Yeah, I agree on the script thing, just a selfish thing. Shift, I'd be interested (though Sweden is a sunless country)
[4:50] <ReggieUK> that'd be great ShiftPlusOne :)
[4:50] <malandro95> ShiftPlusOne: would a solar panel be able to power the raspberryPi?
[4:50] <MBS> is the order limit for first one a single one?
[4:50] <MBS> malandro95, depends on how big of a solar panel
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[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> malandro95, 24/7 is not very practical.
[4:51] <malandro95> I'm thinking portable
[4:51] <malandro95> so ya know, can I go camping and bring my computer. :)
[4:51] <malandro95> the big problem would be powering the display
[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> and how would you power the displ... yeah that
[4:52] <Dagger3> MBS: that question has been asked frequently... and as a result is answered in the FAQ
[4:52] <MBS> ah ok
[4:52] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I don't know anything about solar panels yet.... hopefully I will by the end of the semester... unless they only teach the boring stuff like grid design, node balancing and whatever else.
[4:52] <ReggieUK> released
[4:52] <ReggieUK> on sale
[4:52] <ReggieUK> it's out
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> and available
[4:53] <ReggieUK> meh
[4:54] <ReggieUK> no fun
[4:54] <ReggieUK> either that or he's peeing down his leg rushing back to the computer
[4:55] <MBS> RTG powered raspberry pi
[4:55] <mkopack> lol
[4:55] <ReggieUK> sooo, could this be a new sport
[4:55] <ReggieUK> triggering pi alarms
[4:56] <MBS> someone add an electron cloud to the raspberry pi logo
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> MBS, is that what they're planning to use for long term space missions?
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> or are using... I odn't know
[4:56] <mkopack> That's what they DO use.
[4:56] <MBS> are using
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[4:56] <MBS> they have used them for decades
[4:56] <ReggieUK> don't the use vxworks on the mars rovers?
[4:56] <mkopack> Voyager, Pioneer, Mars Science Lab...
[4:56] <ReggieUK> they*
[4:56] <mkopack> yes
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah cool, I've only read about them recently, but only about how they work
[4:57] <ReggieUK> shuttle was 6502 wasn't it orginally?
[4:57] <MBS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_RTG.jpg
[4:57] <MBS> hmmm, need to find some russians
[4:57] <ReggieUK> very low tech compared to today
[4:57] <ReggieUK> then again who the hell wants a bsod when you're hurtling through space in a heat shielded tin can?
[4:57] <mkopack> Actually, Shuttle used the flight control computer out of the F-15 Eagle originally
[4:59] <ReggieUK> that is impressive considering how much they poop themselves over systems these days
[4:59] <mkopack> Well, when the shuttle was designed back in 1973, that WAS state of the art
[4:59] <ReggieUK> I heard that they had insane procedures to jump through to get code changed
[5:00] <ReggieUK> oh sure, don't get me wrong, I know it was all cutting edge
[5:00] <mkopack> And stuff like that, you don't just replace??? The testing to rectify the system after changing out components like that is INSANELY expensive and time consuming
[5:00] <mkopack> yes, the group that did the flight software for the shuttle was probably the best S.E. team in the world??? Unbelievably low bug rates
[5:01] <ReggieUK> indeed, I heard they had to go through full systems impact reports that go through various stages before they're even considered
[5:01] <ReggieUK> for changing a single line of coed
[5:01] <ReggieUK> code
[5:01] <ReggieUK> I heard that they also had a lot of women on the coding teams too
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[5:03] <diychitect> hey
[5:04] <Wolfram74> yo
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[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> hey
[5:04] <ReggieUK> I'm off to bed, g'night all
[5:04] <diychitect> anyone got any info on the pi?
[5:04] <ReggieUK> have fun, try not to wet yourselves if it gets released.....
[5:04] <diychitect> I read somewhere It was to be done today
[5:04] <ReggieUK> information that is
[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[5:05] <LoganShaw> goodnight
[5:05] <diychitect> good night
[5:05] <Wolfram74> how does peer to peer networking work?
[5:06] <Dagger3> on IPv4? with great difficulty
[5:06] <Wolfram74> i mean, with bit torrent, is there some central registry that has who's doing what? do people broadcast to nodes or something?
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Wolfram74, traditionally yes, but now it's a lot more decentralized
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[5:08] <Dagger3> not central as such; each torrent has a tracker that keeps track of active peers for it
[5:08] <Wolfram74> I was thinking that it would be an interesting project to come up with maybe some games that were tailored to raspberry pi level hard ware and had peer to peer networking, so that there wouldn't need to be subscription fees to maintain servers
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> you can do without trackers even
[5:08] <Dagger3> though there is now a decentralized database that also keeps track of peers for torrents
[5:08] <LoganShaw> fascinating!
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Wolfram74, latency is your enemy there
[5:10] <Wolfram74> I've been toying around with a robot fighting game based around heat dissapation, turn based (we-go mechanic, like diplomacy) and the algorithim i used for simulating heat dissapation actually lends itself to parallelization rather easily
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[5:11] <Wolfram74> turn based would mitigate latency issues of a couple seconds even
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> how many players would you expect on at once?
[5:13] <Wolfram74> well i spent some time thinking about how to scale it past 2 players, and it could be kind of complicated if you wanted to do 1 player at a time upto some limit, or make it fully generalized and allow an arbitrary number of players all taking their turn at once
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[5:13] <Wolfram74> and some of the math actually comes out considerably simpler in that case
[5:15] <Wolfram74> yeah, i know it's kind of pie in the sky idea
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> because I think that the classic server-client approach would be much better (for bandwidth as well).
[5:15] <Wolfram74> explain? my background is in physics, not networking
[5:16] <Wolfram74> also, would designating one of the players as a "server" player mitigate that?
[5:17] <mkopack> the problem without having a centralized server that everyone talks and coordinates through, is that evyerone has to send out their updates to EVERYONE???
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd expect you'd need to poll your peers to check if there is new information available and find who has it... that's a lot of packets
[5:18] <mkopack> So they either have to maintain connections to everyone else, OR, you transmit your updates to your immediate neighbors on the network, ad leave it up to them to relay that to their peers and so on (which is VERY slow)
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but if you have a central host, they can send you a packet when new information is available and you can reply.... without having to go through any sort of mesh. So yeah, one of the players could 'host' a game, while playing.
[5:19] <Wolfram74> mkopack: slow in computer time scales, or in human time scales?
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Wolfram74, have you used TOR?
[5:19] <Wolfram74> i have not, i am aware of it's existence though
[5:19] <mkopack> depends, how many players, how much info has to get shared between them all? how often are the updates, etc?
[5:21] <Wolfram74> well, let me think about the dimensions of combat
[5:21] <mkopack> Mesh networks are great for standing up a network fast, without needing to plan it out much - just throw nodes out there and let them talk and pass data around??? but they typically don't handle anywhere near the amount of data as a dedicated planned network.
[5:22] <Wolfram74> so if the battle field is a 3d grid 90X90X30 then that's about a quarter million cells
[5:23] <mkopack> k,
[5:23] <mkopack> lesson 1: don't send status on ALL of them every update! Only send the changes
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> you can take lessons from minecraft
[5:24] <Wolfram74> and if each cell has a number between 0 and 65k~ units of energy in it then aproximately half a megabyte of information contains the changing information in the game
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> so you can learn exactly what not to do
[5:25] <Wolfram74> mkopack: that... ummm, hmmm
[5:25] <Wolfram74> if the game has 2 minute turns
[5:25] <mkopack> urn based, right?
[5:25] <Wolfram74> yeah
[5:25] <mkopack> So there's only so many things that can change per player per turn,right?
[5:26] <mkopack> So why send the entire game state around every time, when only a very small subset of that can actually change since the last round?
[5:26] <Wolfram74> well each player will only move so much, but the major point of the environment is heat diffusion
[5:26] <curahack> http://www.xbullion.com/index.php MUAHAHAHAA
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[5:27] <mkopack> right, but let each client's game engine handle the updating of the environment based on the update data...
[5:27] <Wolfram74> so i guess i could get around that by saying only cases where a cell has twice as much energy as it's neighbors gets diffused
[5:28] <Wolfram74> then there would actually be cells that could conceivably stay unchanged for eseveral turns at a time
[5:28] <Wolfram74> ignoring the trivial case where temperature is uniform
[5:28] <mkopack> For instance, let's say we're simulating dropping a rock in a pond of water??? Do we need to send around the state of every molecule of water? or just the data regarding the dropping of the rock (velocity, mass, size) and let all the clients use the same rules to understand how the rock will cause the ripples in the water?
[5:29] <mkopack> If they're using the same initial data, and the same rules, they should all produce the same output, right? And do it sending a LOT less data around
[5:29] <Wolfram74> well that's the thing, if 20 people are playing, the way i'm modeling it each player can update slightly more than a 20th of the space and then stitch them together to get the final result
[5:30] <Wolfram74> but eventually each player will need the new data, yes?
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[5:31] <mkopack> Do they all put their moves in simultaneously? Or is it "Mike puts in his move", then "Jeff puts in his move", etc. ?
[5:32] <mkopack> taking turns or simultaneous
[5:32] <Wolfram74> simultaneous turn based, actually
[5:33] <mkopack> Ok, so we all put in our moves at the same time, and then the turn counter ticks and we see what the impacts of what everyone did the previous turn
[5:33] <Wolfram74> known as "we-go"
[5:33] <Wolfram74> yeah, that's what i had in mind
[5:33] <Wolfram74> each player can share processing power by stepping forward their section of the map
[5:34] <Wolfram74> and then pass that info around the network and stitch together the new present state
[5:34] <Wolfram74> so, the more sharing there is of processing, the more load there is on the network
[5:35] <mkopack> Ok, so each player puts in his "move". That clients sends out that player's move at the end of the round to all the other clients. Each client gets all the player's moves, and Since they all started out with the same model of the game map, and are working with the same inputs (from all the players) they each come up with the same resulting map after applying the moves.
[5:35] <Wolfram74> because if you do all the math yourself, you don't need anyone elses work
[5:35] <LoganShaw> this sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook
[5:35] <mkopack> That's then what gets presented to each player to use to do their next move
[5:35] <Wolfram74> yeah
[5:36] <mkopack> ie: send only the player changes, not the entire map changes. Each game client will take the player's inputs and act on the map the same way to produce the same resulting map
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[5:37] <Wolfram74> i'm realizing the trade off between sharing processor time and using network time
[5:37] <Wolfram74> it's kind of a "woah" experience for me
[5:37] <Wolfram74> very elegant, state-of-nature kind of vibe
[5:38] <Wolfram74> so, a quarter million tiles, and about 5 to 10 addition/division operations per tile...
[5:40] <mkopack> Processor is WAY faster than network??? by MANY orders of magnitude
[5:40] <Wolfram74> ok
[5:40] <mkopack> and that's IF the players are on the same subnet.
[5:40] <Wolfram74> well then that's that
[5:41] <mkopack> If they're across a large network, OMG SLOW (relatively speaking)
[5:41] <mkopack> Think about that...
[5:41] <mkopack> 250,000 tiles??? * 10 calculations per??? = 2.5Million operations...
[5:41] <Wolfram74> i guess if i had a more computationally intensive algorithim per tile it might make sense to share results, but when i keep it with a few addition operations and some averaging it's straight forward
[5:42] <mkopack> roughly speaking (obviously this is an exaggeration) a 2.5Mhz processor would eat through that in 1 second.
[5:42] <mkopack> that's NOTHING
[5:43] <Wolfram74> and the R-pi's are 700 Mhz processors
[5:43] <mkopack> exactly
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[5:44] <mkopack> AND, think about ti??? you STILL have to do all the calculations (or a subset of them) before sharing that data with the others??? And then THYE have to do more to integrate the first player's changes with their changes...
[5:44] <mkopack> Doing LOTS of extra work for no reason
[5:44] <Wolfram74> well this has been a productive conversation, thank you for your thoughts mkopack
[5:44] <mkopack> np
[5:45] <UnderSampled> how hard would it be to get multiple monitors working on an rpi?
[5:45] <UnderSampled> would it be easier to just have two rpis?
[5:45] <mkopack> I think that's been asked??? Don't believe it's possible to use both the HDMI and composite interfaces at the same time
[5:46] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, for different purposes you mean?
[5:46] <mkopack> No, I thought what I read said that only one will be active at a time??? I could be wrong though
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ah.... that seems silly
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[5:50] <mkopack> Well, don't hold me to that, just saying what I seem to remember reading about that
[5:52] <danieldaniel> is it out yet?
[5:52] <PiBot> danieldaniel: Any minute now...
[5:52] <danieldaniel> :(
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[5:52] <smw> is it out yet?
[5:52] <PiBot> smw: Any minute now...
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[5:53] <zutesmog> If someone builds the drivers for this (USB video card) it might work for a second monitor http://plugable.com/products/uga-2k-a/
[5:55] <UnderSampled> zutesmog: that's more expensive than an additional rpi
[5:55] <zutesmog> ;-)
[5:55] <SpeedEvil> Also the drivers available duck
[5:56] <zutesmog> Yep, multiple monitors on a rpi is going to be expensive
[5:56] <zutesmog> Drivers are open source for linux
[5:56] <zutesmog> INUX COMPATIBILITY:
[5:56] <zutesmog> As of Linux kernel 2.6.31, this adapter has open source drivers in the kernel staging tree. As of 2.6.38, the driver was promoted to the main kernel tree.
[5:56] <UnderSampled> though, three rpi is cheaper than a normal motherboard+graphics card
[5:56] <duckinator> hmm
[5:57] <duckinator> now, if you make a fun little adapter, couldn't you use an RPi as an external USB graphics card?... *whistles*
[5:57] <zutesmog> yep, a couple of rpi's and synergy for a single keyboard and mouse, and some smart use of X
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[5:58] <duckinator> by 'fun little adapter' i mean 'something to convince the main Pi that the Pi used for mainly for its GPU is in fact a USB peripheral, even though it's technically a USB host'
[5:58] <zutesmog> that usb device is probably one of the cheapest ways of getting VGA from an RPI
[5:59] <danieldaniel> RPI = raspberry pie?
[5:59] <duckinator> why would you want VGA out of that thing? D:
[5:59] <zutesmog> people seem to be asking for it all the time. (I don't)
[5:59] <duckinator> i'm using it as an excuse to upgrade my 20" Magnavox CRT TV
[6:01] <duckinator> well...maybe
[6:02] <mkopack> Yeh, I'm kinda stuck having to use my bedroom TV to work the RPi??? I do't have anything else with an HDMI jack, or an available DVI port
[6:03] <mkopack> Anyhow, heading to bed. Later gang!
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[6:13] <rodayo> I heard the boards are going on sale tmrw morning, is that true?
[6:13] <danieldaniel> rodayo: i hope
[6:14] <danieldaniel> rodayo: and by tomorrow, do you mean monday or tuesday>
[6:14] <rodayo> danieldaniel, if they did how early are we talking?
[6:14] <danieldaniel> rodayo: no idea
[6:14] <rodayo> monday
[6:14] <danieldaniel> rodayo: but, they said they would give notice
[6:14] <danieldaniel> so we just have to wait for that
[6:14] <rodayo> i know but what if the email goes out at 6am and the sale begins at 6:15am :p
[6:15] <danieldaniel> I would guess 24 hours
[6:15] <rodayo> they mentioned something about alarm clocks on the last post so....
[6:16] <nelson> it will be interesting to watch.
[6:16] <nelson> usually, when demand exceeds supply at a given price, you raise the price.
[6:16] <nelson> But they're unwilling to do that. So they'll have to match demand to supply in a different manner.
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[6:55] <ShiftPlusOne> what are people's opinions on paslac? (freepascal/lazarus in particular)
[6:55] <ShiftPlusOne> *pascal
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[6:55] <Foxhoundz> I hearby declare Raspberry Pi to be a vaporware.
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yaaay
[6:56] <Foxhoundz> Seriously
[6:56] <Foxhoundz> Monday morning and no status update.
[6:56] <Foxhoundz> This...this isn't helping the situation.
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> what situation?
[6:56] <danieldaniel> ShiftPlusOne: The situation
[6:56] <Foxhoundz> The Situation.
[6:56] <danieldaniel> you didn't hear about it?
[6:57] <ShiftPlusOne> from jersey shore?
[6:57] <Foxhoundz> They need to hire me as the social media consultant
[6:57] <danieldaniel> ShiftPlusOne: no idea if I made a jersey shore reference there
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[7:37] <tero> is it out yet?
[7:37] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
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[7:58] <Syliss> oi all
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[8:15] <Foxhoundz> It's 7 AM in UK
[8:15] <Foxhoundz> where's my pi.
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[8:19] <Syliss> lol
[8:21] <Ben64> they took all the money and went to vegas
[8:22] <Syliss> and lost ;p
[8:23] <Ben64> put it all on 00
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[9:03] <weuxel> Is it out yet?
[9:03] <PiBot> weuxel: Any minute now...
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[9:35] <Mowee> Morning
[9:35] <drazyl> morning
[9:39] <ahven> hello
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[9:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> stupid website
[9:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/newposts <- give me 4 topics - just not right
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[9:45] <Davespice> morning all... so do we all think today is the big day?
[9:45] <rm> no
[9:45] <Davespice> not gonna hold my breath tbh :)
[9:45] <rm> they tweeted 'not going on sale today'
[9:46] <Plam> oh ? damn.
[9:46] <Davespice> oh have they, I don't use twitter
[9:46] <rm> I don't either
[9:46] <Davespice> thanks for relaying
[9:46] <rm> but it's posted on the website
[9:46] <rm> on the right side
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[9:47] <Davespice> the go to bed comment?
[9:47] <Davespice> I don't see any tweet saying 'not going on sale today'
[9:47] <Plam> yep same here
[9:47] <rm> no
[9:47] <rm> this one https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/173873759894253569
[9:48] <Davespice> okay, thank you
[9:48] <Anppa> soon we'll be asking if it is out still :)
[9:53] <Foxhoundz1> it's 2 AM
[9:53] <Foxhoundz1> Journal entry # 46
[9:54] <Foxhoundz1> My rations are running dry as I await for the Pi's arrival
[9:54] <Foxhoundz1> Most of the men have died out
[9:54] <Foxhoundz1> And I fear I'm walking into the same fate.
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[10:29] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[10:29] <PiBot> Aquilus_: Any minute now...
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[10:55] <Henchman24> OMG ITS OUT
[10:56] <Henchman24> psych
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[10:57] <Henchman24> http://derpyhoovesnews.com/flash/ponyponypony.swf
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[11:04] <Hesmon_> i am so desperate. i clicked it.
[11:04] <Da|Mummy> is the mlp fad dead, or do i not visit 4chan enough anymore?
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[11:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> dunno and wonder why you ask here mlp == ponies yes ?
[11:06] <Da|Mummy> my little pony
[11:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> dunno if there is a raspberry dash...
[11:08] <drazyl> OMG Ponies!
[11:08] * drazyl goes back to sleep
[11:08] <Hourd> oh god its invading everywhere
[11:08] <Hourd> is nowhere safe?
[11:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFos3o-K1w
[11:13] <Foxhoundz> 4 AM
[11:13] <Foxhoundz> I'm going to sleep now
[11:13] <Foxhoundz> I give up
[11:13] <Foxhoundz> I'll buy it from the scalpers
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[11:15] <Hourd> hello Afal
[11:16] <Afal> hi Hourd
[11:16] <Afal> you lied to me. there's no one here talking about ponies :(
[11:17] * Foxhoundz (~Fujitsu@ Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[11:17] <Hourd> Afal: 10:08 < RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFos3o-K1w
[11:18] <Afal> I knew I forgot something. getting headphones
[11:19] <Da|Mummy> its a bronie...so is mlp fad dead, or am i just not on 4chan enough these days?
[11:19] <Henchman21> well considering the show is active and a new episode comes out every weekend... NO
[11:20] <Henchman21> only pedobears visit 4chan
[11:20] <Henchman21> im sure the gov't is compiling a nice list of offenders for later use
[11:20] <Henchman21> to hire as TSA workers
[11:21] <Da|Mummy> i thought only bronies visit 4chan....and pedos
[11:21] <Hourd> hurr
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[11:21] <Afal> Da|Mummy: 4chan has its own mlp board now. haven't been on 4chan in ages though so dunno >_>
[11:21] <Da|Mummy> see!
[11:23] <Hourd> how many ponies related projects will apear using an rpi somehow?
[11:24] <Henchman21> 10k or less
[11:24] <drazyl> I want a pony!
[11:24] <tero> is it out yet?
[11:24] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
[11:24] <Henchman21> they really need to get a loan or something and start manufacturing MOAR BOARDS
[11:25] <Henchman21> cause i have a feeling demand is way greater than supply
[11:25] <Henchman21> if not ill gladly buy up the excess
[11:26] <Henchman21> but i want the super secret NDA docs
[11:26] <Hourd> :P
[11:27] <Hourd> well once they go into serial production...
[11:31] <steve_rox> still no news ? :-P
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[11:32] <lars__> is it out yet?
[11:32] <PiBot> lars__: Any minute now...
[11:33] <lars__> 100k on the mailinglist I read...
[11:34] * klm[_] (milkman@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[11:35] <Henchman21> lets start a new rumor
[11:35] <Henchman21> dude i heard the shipment got hijacked by pirates
[11:36] <Henchman21> and since they dont have enough money to buy more they're decalring it a loss and liquidating the foundation
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[11:37] <Aquilus_> I would!
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> The ransom was too high? Excessive Pirate Pi-rate?
[11:37] <huene> the hell i would
[11:37] <Da|Mummy> told you it was vaporware
[11:41] <Syliss> omg noooo!
[11:41] <Syliss> must send to twitter!
[11:41] <Syliss> nooo
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[11:46] <tero> is it out yet?
[11:46] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
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[11:52] * Davespice chuckles
[11:52] <Davespice> nice one :)
[11:52] <Davespice> Raspberry Pirate, that would make a good mascot come to think of it...
[11:53] <Davespice> although maybe it suggests the Pi will be used as a Piracy delivery tool
[11:54] <drazyl> probably not the image the Foundation wants to present to government/schools
[11:55] <Hourd> =[
[11:55] <Hourd> but the logo could have an eyepatch
[11:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[11:55] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Mon Feb 27 09:50:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 12??C - 8??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[12:03] <MBS> raspberry pirate?
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[12:10] <Hourd> arrrrr
[12:11] <Davespice> could tie it in with international talk like a pirate day... which is soon I belive
[12:12] <Davespice> http://www.facebook.com/InternationalTalkLikeAPirateDay
[12:15] <Afal> September 19th is just around the corner...
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[12:38] <Plam> damn too hard to stand without news...
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[12:43] <Caver> Plam, whats too hard?
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[12:50] <tero> is it out yet?
[12:50] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
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[12:52] <tester> seem that ArchLinux Distro is available
[12:52] <tester> http://rpitc.blogspot.com/
[12:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> but not hte RPi yet
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[12:59] <joppe> Does somebody know if I could checkout with paypal in the raspberry pi store
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[13:00] <joppe> I already found out thank you guys
[13:01] <Chinese_soup> no problem
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[13:36] <Da|Mummy> woot has 64gb sdxc c10 for $55 shipped...in case anyone interested
[13:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> Da|Mummy - you have teh shiiping address wrong
[13:39] <mchou> Da|Mummy: nice find
[13:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-64GB-15MB-Ultra-SDXC/dp/B003EOY3NO ??62
[13:40] <Da|Mummy> http://www.woot.com/
[13:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> only c6 though
[13:40] <Da|Mummy> this is one hell of a deal, unfortunately, i already have like 6 32gb sd cards, so i cant justify it
[13:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> there is a class10 transcend one for ??66.8
[13:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003P3Q0DU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005LFT40G&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=08HCREEAB0AFR9XC195V
[13:41] <Da|Mummy> which is like what, $90?
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[13:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003P3Q0DU/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1 , - yeah
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[13:42] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm closer to 110$ atm
[13:43] <Da|Mummy> jeez....i love how america is still making fun of other countries, especially canada, but the canadian dollar is stronger
[13:43] <Da|Mummy> and the richest man in the world is a mexican
[13:44] * RaTTuS|BIG goes for coffee
[13:44] <mchou> Da|Mummy: yeah, but is he a drug lord? :)
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[13:44] <Da|Mummy> nope, owns a cell phone service
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[13:45] <mchou> Da|Mummy: almost as bad. probably most of his employees died servicing towers :)
[13:45] <Da|Mummy> plus, mexico makes like 80% of the "american" cars
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[13:49] <chris_99> is it out yet?
[13:49] <PiBot> chris_99: Any minute now...
[13:49] <benwilliam> arrg site down :(
[13:50] <Da|Mummy> nope, its up from here
[13:50] <chris_99> up here too
[13:50] <curahack> it's fine here, just checked it :P
[13:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> f5 it it'll be back
[13:50] <curahack> lol, we're all like waiting for THE announcement
[13:51] <mchou> pfft
[13:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> it will be on a static page on the forums , facebook , twitter herer - you will not bew able to miss it
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[14:00] <tero> is it out yet?
[14:00] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
[14:00] <pixolin> can anyone do a count down please?
[14:00] <DDave> 5
[14:00] <DDave> 4
[14:00] <DDave> 3
[14:00] <DDave> 2
[14:00] <DDave> 1
[14:00] <DDave> try now :P
[14:01] <pingec> -1
[14:01] <Hourd> -1
[14:01] <Hourd> -2
[14:01] <pingec> -2
[14:01] <benwilliam> 0,9
[14:01] <Hourd> -3
[14:01] <Hourd> -4
[14:01] <benwilliam> 0,8
[14:01] <benwilliam> 0,7
[14:01] <benwilliam> 0,6
[14:01] <benwilliam> 0,5
[14:01] <Hourd> lawl
[14:01] <pixolin> OK, OK, I see you all need a computer to count
[14:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> timer
[14:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> see /timer on mirc
[14:01] <pingec> hmm the page changed layout?
[14:02] * uen| is now known as uen
[14:03] <tero> i am getting the mobile version of the site?
[14:05] <Laurenceb> so no launch today then?
[14:05] <pixolin> put down your mobile and look back in the monitor of your desktop pc
[14:05] * TSL (5b7ee6f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[14:05] <Laurenceb> and get laid
[14:05] <Laurenceb> FTFY
[14:06] <urs> I thought the plan was: a) get raspberry pi b) get laid
[14:06] <urs> because chicks dig it!
[14:06] <Lord_DeathMatch> ^
[14:06] <Laurenceb> well a isnt going to happen
[14:06] <Laurenceb> and thats the opposite of true
[14:07] <Laurenceb> tho...
[14:07] <Laurenceb> a rapeberry pi might help you
[14:07] <urs> I hear all workers at the chinese factory died of sexual exhaustion after completing the first batch.
[14:07] <Laurenceb> you mean before surely
[14:07] <Laurenceb> there is no first batch
[14:08] <ceng> No email, no nothing!
[14:08] <ceng> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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[14:14] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[14:14] <PiBot> aditsu: Any minute now...
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[14:15] <benwilliam> is it out yet?
[14:15] <PiBot> benwilliam: Any minute now...
[14:16] <Henchman21> someone fix the bot
[14:16] <Henchman21> make it kick people that say that
[14:17] <DDave> IS IT IN YET ? :D
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[14:19] <xenoxaos> ...thats what she said?
[14:20] <Henchman21> grep -c 'out yet' irclogs/freenode/#raspberrypi.log
[14:20] <Henchman21> 202
[14:21] <huene> why don't you just set /ignore for all lines containing that phrase? oder ignore the bot, so at least you don't get the replies?
[14:21] <huene> !w
[14:21] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 5??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 70%, Later 5??C - 2??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[14:22] <pixolin> only 202? with > 100.000 registered users for the mailing list?
[14:22] <Henchman21> really that many in the mailing list?
[14:22] <pixolin> that's what I heard over the weekend
[14:23] <pixolin> someone told me here in this chat room while we were discussing how long it would take to sell all 10.000 devices.
[14:23] <Henchman21> pl from my earliest log somone says 50k
[14:23] <pixolin> (I got laughed at stating it would perhaps take two days)
[14:23] <huene> sounds plausible. i've heard over 70k a few weeks ago
[14:23] <Henchman21> that was easily a month ago
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[14:24] <Henchman21> so i guess 100k is possible
[14:24] <huene> pixolin: lol. i'm starting to think its gonna be less than an hour
[14:24] <huene> depending on how much load the server(s) can take
[14:24] <Henchman21> < mrdragons> I mean, 50,000 people on a mailing list for a board is crazy
[14:24] <Henchman21> no idea the date on that
[14:25] <huene> probably all it's gonna take is 5 minutes
[14:25] <Henchman21> internet webstore riot
[14:26] <Henchman21> i just ordered like 50$ of snuff
[14:27] <Henchman21> im in love with snorting tobacco up my nose
[14:28] <huene> never tried that. and i'll leave it that way
[14:28] <Henchman21> turned into a snuff aficionado over the course of like 3 weeks
[14:29] <huene> i'm not a fan of tobacco at all
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[14:30] <Henchman21> dont ever start
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[14:30] * xenoxaos quit smoking 5 years ago
[14:31] <Kolin> every tried snuss Henchman21?
[14:31] <Henchman21> dip? oh yeah
[14:31] <Kolin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus
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[14:31] <Henchman21> though dont they call the snus the tea packets?
[14:31] <Kolin> yeah
[14:32] * Lord_DeathMatch facepalms
[14:32] <Henchman21> i remember in jr highschool playing the trumbone with a bag in my lip
[14:32] <Henchman21> man my trombone stunk
[14:32] <Henchman21> but i got my fix during class
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[14:32] <Henchman21> i sounded like crap too and the stains on the floor from the spit valve
[14:33] <Henchman21> hah
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[14:33] <Henchman21> never liked the snus stuff teabaggers :P
[14:34] <huene> the only way i smoke is sheesha (water pipe). banana flavoured tobacco is real nice
[14:34] <Henchman21> theres a few hookah bars near me ive been meaning to visit
[14:34] <Henchman21> although smoking gooey sugar fruity flavored tobacco isnt my idea of cool
[14:35] <huene> does it have to be "cool"?
[14:35] <huene> i just like the taste
[14:35] <huene> having one once in a while
[14:35] <huene> just a few per year
[14:36] <Henchman21> i even steer clear of the overly scented snuffs
[14:36] <Lord_DeathMatch> guys? seriously, move this conversation to the #tobacco channel or something. as the join message says, this is a PG13 channel. admittedly, tobacco isnt really > PG13, but it still isnt the place for it
[14:37] <Henchman21> :P
[14:37] <Lord_DeathMatch> admittedly i am myself only 15
[14:37] <Lord_DeathMatch> :P
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[14:37] <tero> is it out yet?
[14:37] <PiBot> tero: Any minute now...
[14:37] <Henchman21> shouldnt you be in school
[14:37] <Kolin> are we interupting everyone elses impotant conversations?
[14:37] <Lord_DeathMatch> at 9:36PM ?
[14:38] <Henchman21> yeah
[14:38] <Henchman21> go do homework
[14:38] <Lord_DeathMatch> i am :P
[14:38] <Lord_DeathMatch> bio :P
[14:38] <Lord_DeathMatch> fail-bio
[14:42] <huene> you really think talking a bit about smoking is a problem with pg13?
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[14:43] <huene> i mean, no one tries to talk anyone into it
[14:44] <DDave> if you smoke its because of your own retardation.
[14:44] <Kolin> i think he should start smoking
[14:44] <Kolin> its both big and clever
[14:44] <Kolin> and all the cool kids do it
[14:44] <huene> i guess i've never been one of the "cool kids" - i always used to be one of the smart ones :P
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[14:45] <ReggieUK> I like the way you said used to be
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[14:46] <Davespice> isn't he talking about smoking through a sheesha pipe though? that stuff is hardly harmful... you can get coconut flavored tabacco :)
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[14:46] <Davespice> which actually is quite pleasent to smoke :)
[14:46] <ReggieUK> oh right, so all the damaging product has been replaced by sugar, which is of course completely harmless to smoke
[14:46] <Lord_DeathMatch> Kolin: not sure how legal is it in Australia, matey
[14:47] <ReggieUK> some people really are fscking dumbasses
[14:47] <Kolin> how legal what is?
[14:47] <Henchman21> smoke up johnny
[14:47] <Lord_DeathMatch> tobacco, etc
[14:47] <huene> ReggieUK: well, i'm not a kid anymore :)
[14:47] <Davespice> sheesha pipes? they have them out in the streets in the UK, people sit in public using them
[14:48] <Lord_DeathMatch> well welcome to Australia
[14:48] <Henchman21> hashish
[14:48] <Kolin> smaking is illegal in australia?
[14:48] <Davespice> oh... you're talking about green are you?
[14:49] <lars_t_h> twiiter message from @Raspbeerypi : "Guys - can you please stop hitting F5 on our website quite so often? You're bringing the server to its knees. ...
[14:49] <curahack> lol
[14:49] <Henchman21> thats all those 15yr olds
[14:49] <lars_t_h> We'll be making an announcement here at the same time as we do on the website, so you won't miss anything by NOT HITTING REFRESH. :)"
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[14:50] <chronofast> is it out yet?
[14:50] <PiBot> chronofast: Any minute now...
[14:50] <chronofast> nice
[14:50] <Henchman21> chill kiddies you'll get a raspbery pi, when im done with it and its got cutsy lil python IDE's for your teaacher to learn you something
[14:51] * lars_t_h i am lot more old than 15, but I act like a boy waiting for a x-mas gifts
[14:51] <chronofast> I'm just hoping we can get an arm based mozilla boot to gecko on it
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[14:51] <Ruairi> If the server is struggling now, how will it cope at launch time?
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[14:51] <Henchman21> just watch who you download firmwares from or you'll end up an anonymous zombie host that will participate in gov't ddoses
[14:51] <chronofast> The shop is not on the same server as the main site
[14:51] <madm1ke> Ruairi: different server I think
[14:52] <chronofast> neither is the payment processor, so it's fine
[14:52] <Ruairi> madm1ke: Makes sense; Wordpress is a hog for memory usage
[14:52] <Henchman21> botnet
[14:53] <Davespice> people should be hitting F5 on the shop really
[14:53] <chronofast> I'm sure they are
[14:53] <chronofast> What time is it in the UK 2pm?
[14:53] <Davespice> as far as I know the shop is a pretty serious server
[14:53] <Davespice> 13:52 =)
[14:53] <madm1ke> yeah, benchmark the shop servers to see if they already upscaled for the run ;)
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[14:54] <chronofast> I get the feeling if we were going to hear something we would have already.
[14:56] <Caver> yeah they did say they will email everyone on the mailing list with the time it's going to go onsale, so everyone gets a fair chance at it
[14:56] <madm1ke> chronofast: if you are on Linux, try: $ TZ='Europe/London' date
[14:56] <lars_t_h> I guess the shop server is using a cloud service
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[14:57] <Ruairi> Doesn't it make sense that they release the R-Pi on 14th March?
[14:57] <madm1ke> Ruairi: wrong year ;)
[14:57] <Kolin> Looks like the shop is hosted by http://www.bigcommerce.com
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[14:57] <chronofast> madm1ke: thanks
[14:57] <convolution> hi all
[14:57] <Lord_DeathMatch> hiya
[14:57] <lars_t_h> hi
[14:57] <convolution> news about the release?
[14:57] <Ruairi> madm1ke: erm, 3rd month, 14th day...
[14:58] <ReggieUK> wrong date system
[14:58] <Davespice> yes it is their servers are in Texas USA
[14:58] <Ruairi> i suppose
[14:58] <lars_t_h> convolution, you can follow @Raspberrypi on twitter
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[14:58] <madm1ke> 45GB bandwidth?
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[14:59] <lars_t_h> 45 Gbit bandwith? they are connect directly to several backbone networks, then
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[15:02] <chronofast> Is there any minimal linux distro that boots to firefox that we cound end up using on the Pi?
[15:02] <Lord_DeathMatch> what about chrome os? might'nt be firefox, but chrome isnt all that bad either
[15:02] <dattaway> buildroot is a nice minimal system
[15:02] <Lord_DeathMatch> its open source
[15:03] <Lord_DeathMatch> meh
[15:03] <madm1ke> lars_t_h: no, i mean 45GB traffic limit for bigcommerce's biggest product
[15:03] <Henchman24> i heard chrome spies on you
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[15:03] <Ruairi> Use Chromium OS, probably a better choice
[15:03] <chronofast> Yea, I'd rather something 100% open source without the spying, maybe chromium OS
[15:03] <dattaway> you can turn off the chrome features...and verify it by watching the packets...chrome is good...
[15:04] <Lord_DeathMatch> Henchman24: i hope not, ive got it open atm.
[15:04] <madm1ke> chronofast: you might want to give arch-linux a chance. but basically this could be accomplished by any distro that has an arm port
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[15:04] <chronofast> Who does the chromium OS builds? Hexxeh? I wonder if he is working on an ARM port.
[15:05] <xenoxaos> i second arch linux + chrome kiosk mode
[15:05] <Davespice> I think most people will give a few different distributions a try, arch's rolling release is attractive to me though
[15:05] <chronofast> madm1ke I was thinking about taking the debian pi and uninstalling packages down to a kiosk mode
[15:06] <madm1ke> chronofast: that's probably the least painful way
[15:06] <chronofast> bare bones + fully functioning firefox beta as 99% + hidden terminal interface
[15:07] <chronofast> I wonder if you can have a local web page run a bash script with root privileges?
[15:08] <madm1ke> what's the first thing you guys are going to build with a raspi? for me it's a wireless pulseaudio client in my kitchen :)
[15:09] <madm1ke> chronofast: either you are using a javascript-terminal (then firefox has to run as root, BAAAAD idea) or you will need a simple webserver (nginx) with cgi support
[15:09] <chronofast> The kiosk linux is part of the in car computer build i'd like to do
[15:09] <Caver> motorbike computer with a bluetooth dongle plugged in, so I can multiplex my GPS instructions to me and mates with in range
[15:10] <tero> i am going to use it as a internet radio
[15:10] <madm1ke> Caver: is the range of bluetooth sufficient for this?
[15:10] <Caver> if they're that far away, the instructions would be wrong anyway!
[15:11] <chronofast> internet radio... have a dial on the front that each tick is a pre programmed website with autologin, so you can rotate the dial to pick different websites like a real radio
[15:11] <Caver> bluetooth class 3 can get .... 500m which is I think plenty
[15:11] <xenoxaos> pi+webcam+motion = cheap surveillance
[15:11] <zutesmog> permanent server for a whole network of JeeNodes (arduino compatible with RF Comms network built in) controlling security lighting and a collection of pumps and sensors. All the smarts in the raspi
[15:12] <madm1ke> sounds awesome
[15:12] <tero> chronofast vau i was going to do the exact same thing :D
[15:12] <Henchman24> 500m...
[15:12] <Caver> hmmm motion dection might be a big ask for a Pi's cpu
[15:12] <tero> chronofast maybe we can do some stuff together?
[15:12] <Henchman24> i doubt that
[15:13] <xenoxaos> Caver, i'm doing it on a kirkwood just fine
[15:13] <chronofast> tero: awesome I hope you post your work online so everyone can try it out
[15:13] <tero> yeah you too :D
[15:13] <Caver> bah I means class 1 not class 3!
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[15:15] <Caver> xenoxaos, cool :)
[15:16] <xenoxaos> it was also sending me a text with google voice whenever it deteted motion as well
[15:17] <tero> latest twitter msg
[15:17] <tero> We'll be sending mails out in batches over a few (more than a few, really) hours.
[15:17] <Ruairi> tero: thanks :)
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[15:18] * huene is changing his name to one starting with Q
[15:18] <chronofast> interesting
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[15:19] <huene> yeah. they'll only sell to people with such names :) - just read on twitter
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[15:21] <dattaway> I could be out riding my motorcycle...
[15:22] <lars_t_h> chronofast, "I wonder if you can have a local web page run a bash script with root privileges?" a script is disallowed to run set uidroot, the kernel will alway run a set ud root script with the username wich started the script
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[15:23] <chronofast> lars_t_h good stuff, thanks!
[15:25] <chronofast> If you specify su at the beginning of the script and have it prompt the user for the root password, then could the script run as root? again all from within a browser.
[15:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ that's not going to work
[15:26] <lars_t_h> chronofast, you can create a c program wich run seteuid(0), and then execve the script. The idea is to use chmod and chown, and chgrp. that is the program can run be set uid root
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[15:26] <lars_t_h> the script will then take over the process id of the program
[15:28] <lars_t_h> chronofast, it will, because su is a parent process wich is cabable of changing user id (because it is a set uid root program). A child program inherits the right of its parent program
[15:29] <chronofast> that sounds like it would be fine as long as the script exits quickly enough for the user to not really have noticed, If you have seen distros like jolicloud that run a modified chromium browser, i think they call it 'nickel', they have semi static pages within the browser interface that hook into the underlying system
[15:29] <Henchman24> think im going to figure a way to strap my phone to my cat, gps track him and snap pictures
[15:29] <chronofast> so the browser will end up being run as root? ugh, that's unacceptable
[15:31] <lars_t_h> chronofast, what you usally do is that you start with root, change what you want to do, and switch user id to less priviliged user, wich cannot switch back to root again, without using su
[15:32] <zutesmog> you would be better off having a small http server which listens only to localhost, and have it run something you need with escalated privileges.
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[15:32] <lars_t_h> that is the method used by the apache webserver, so it can use port 80
[15:32] <chronofast> Yes and no, the idea was that in a browser tab there would be an embedded 100% functional terminal
[15:33] <huene> chronofast: you mean something like ajaxterm or shellinabox?
[15:33] <chronofast> sounds about right, do those have the ability to have root access?
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[15:34] <huene> afaik - yes. with shellinabox, if you want to be able to log in as another user, than it's started, you have to run shellinaboxd as root anyways, it invokes /bin/login
[15:34] <chronofast> huene: shellinabox https://code.google.com/p/shellinabox/ is perfect! thank you!
[15:35] <huene> so you should be able to log in as root, if you have enabled root ssh access (i haven't)
[15:35] <lars_t_h> chronofast, why do you need root access? You only use root access when you are doing systems administration
[15:35] <huene> i'm always using sudo su -
[15:35] <chronofast> root access is just a starting point, achieve that and most anything is possible
[15:36] <huene> oh and - you're welcome :)
[15:36] <lars_t_h> chronofast, but that should not be default
[15:36] <chronofast> The idea being webpages that directly interface with the underlying subsystems of linux
[15:37] <chronofast> removing 100% of any kind of window manager / file explorer / etc and only having a browser / kiosk interface, but still fully functioning
[15:37] <lars_t_h> chronofast, on an embedded system?
[15:37] <Hexxeh> chronofast: I'm not yet, but I will be once I get time and my hands on a Raspberry Pi
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[15:38] <chronofast> Hexxeh: awesome, perfect and thanks.
[15:38] <octeris> chronofast: are you trying to avoid interacting with the RPi via CLI?
[15:38] <chronofast> lars_t_h: why not on an embedded system?
[15:38] <huene> shell in a browser is kinda CLI anyway
[15:39] <octeris> huene: My point exactly.
[15:39] <octeris> Just ssh in to the box.
[15:39] <huene> yeah. and it's nice to bypass a proxy (at work for example)
[15:39] <octeris> It seems like you're complicating things by trying to interact with the command-line via the web, but I'm not sure what your goals are.
[15:39] <lars_t_h> chronofast, it was a question. A bowser can be used as the desktop
[15:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> huene then your doing it wrong ...
[15:39] <chronofast> octeris: no, 100% html5 interfaces are something that will end up being the norm in my opinion, projects like webianshell, boot to gecko, chrome os, etc
[15:39] <huene> RaTTuS|BIG: well, if you know a better way, please tell me
[15:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> oop[s was scrolled up .... missed most of the convo
[15:40] <lars_t_h> you will then nedd some service to restart if user exits the browser to automatically start the browser
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[15:40] <chronofast> why not then if the browser closes the device is reset?
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[15:41] <octeris> chronofast: So you want to replace all interaction on your RPi with an HTML5 interface?
[15:41] <lars_t_h> chronofast, a good idea, but users usally don't like "DOS".
[15:41] <octeris> That seems woefully painful to me, personally.
[15:42] <lars_t_h> so some kind of automatic restart is needed
[15:42] <chronofast> octeris: yes, lars_t_h: the interface will parse the hidden terminal output and input to display a friendly html5 interface
[15:42] <chronofast> that's the idea anyway
[15:43] <lars_t_h> chronofast, i have link for you , wait ...
[15:43] <octeris> chronofast: Is the HTML5 interface a pet project or are you specifically avoiding using a lightweight window manager?
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[15:44] <chronofast> The closer to a 100% html5 interface it is the better, to that end it would end up not needing a WM
[15:44] <lars_t_h> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/ , and if you don't like C++: http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/other_language and
[15:45] <octeris> Does anyone actually 'enjoy' C++ other than Stroustrup himself? :P
[15:45] <lars_t_h> chronofast, ^ very to create a tiny webserver
[15:45] <lars_t_h> *very useful
[15:45] <mkopack> Eh, it's ok??? just hate how much bookkeeping you have to do yourself
[15:45] <mkopack> Takes me a lot longer to get something accomplished in C++ than Java or Python
[15:45] <octeris> And it's so painstakingly verbose.
[15:46] <zutesmog> Much of what you are looking at has been done in the ipython html notebook. http://ipython.org/ipython-doc/dev/interactive/htmlnotebook.html
[15:46] <lars_t_h> octeris, C++ is used a lot to create applications on embedded systems
[15:46] <octeris> Oh I think it's plenty useful.
[15:46] <octeris> I just can't stand it.
[15:47] <mkopack> Performance-wise C++ is great, but to get it means you typically have to take a LOT longer to write the code.
[15:47] <chronofast> from www.webtoolkit.eu : "Web-based GUIs that require integration with (existing) C++ libraries, for example for scientific or engineering applications, or existing C++ desktop applications." wonderful.
[15:47] <mkopack> So it's not a great language for prototyping or rapid Proof of concept work
[15:47] <lars_t_h> mkopack, it is ok a programming language is just a tool, C++ and Jave are 2 kind of tools
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[15:47] <mkopack> right, exactly. use the right tool for the job
[15:48] <lars_t_h> Use the best tool for the job you are doing
[15:48] <mkopack> personally, I do most of my stuff in either Java or Python, mostly because of their extensive standard libraries. If I need all out performance, then I start looking at C or C++
[15:48] <Anppa> mkopack, I'll go for cython and c-ify where needed for performance
[15:49] <sifi|work> Has anyone did benchmarks of the raspberry pi yet? I'm eager to see how well/or bad the CPU does for some type of server application
[15:49] <lars_t_h> mkopack, yeah - often used in optimization
[15:49] <mkopack> sifi: Check the forums. I know I saw a thread in there about that, although it's all prelim since nobody has gotten their hands on an actual unit
[15:50] <sifi|work> mkopack: I was hoping that one of the early adopters that got the ebay auction tested. I even looked on the forums but didn't find anything interesting.
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[15:53] <lars_t_h> chronofast, the link writes about Java, Ruby, Clojure, and Jython
[15:53] <lars_t_h> The other link
[15:53] <lars_t_h> about: Wt
[15:53] <zgreg> sifi|work: see the elinux wiki
[15:54] <zgreg> someone did a few synthetic tests
[15:54] <chronofast> lars_t_h yep. I've been scouring the api / examples etc on the site since you posted the link
[15:54] <chronofast> great stuff
[15:54] <zgreg> but, don't expect too much, ARM11 is quite slow.
[15:56] <drazyl> performance largely depends on what you expect
[15:56] <drazyl> if all you've used are modern pc's with multiple cores and gigabytes of ram
[15:56] <zgreg> of course, but many expect netbook-like performance, or even something equal with older PCs
[15:57] <zgreg> these people are bound to be disappointed
[15:57] <mkopack> Great, twitter post from RPi saying people refreshing the site constantly is killing the server. Why are people so STUPID?
[15:58] <chronofast> ha
[15:58] <zgreg> there was this guy with an android app that constantly polled the server
[15:58] <Laurenceb> i know
[15:58] <Laurenceb> why would anyone want a raspberry pi
[15:58] <Laurenceb> idiots
[15:59] <chronofast> zgreg, yep, he was charging $5 for the app that just did that, got banned for life from the site
[16:00] <zgreg> yes, for good reason :)
[16:00] <benwilliam> "??No. We have decided to be totally unfair and only sell to those whose names begin with Q."
[16:00] <benwilliam> the love china guys?
[16:00] <mkopack> Wanting one is fine??? Being STUPID by hitting their servers constantly looking for any update in info, when they've said REPEATEDLY that there would be an announcement at least 24 hours in advance of them going on sale is DUMB!
[16:00] <benwilliam> quing
[16:00] <benwilliam> quong
[16:00] <benwilliam> ...
[16:00] <mkopack> All you need to do is check the site 2-3 times a day. You'll get the info you need and won't need to hammer their server non-stop
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[16:01] <mkopack> They're going to announce on their web site, on twitter, and via the mailing list??? You WILL have advanced notice??? geesh.
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[16:04] <tero> We'll be sending mails out in batches over a few (more than a few, really) hours.
[16:04] <tero> oops
[16:04] <tero> wrong paste
[16:04] <tero> sorry
[16:05] <octeris> WHAT
[16:05] <tero> octeris they said that on their twitter
[16:06] <mkopack> Yeah, because the system they use can't just send out 1 single email to the 100,000 people signed up for it...
[16:06] <mkopack> And that's fine...
[16:06] <octeris> so we're getting a release date/time announcement today?
[16:06] <mkopack> It'll say the same thing in every email batch "Units will be going on sale at X time/date"
[16:06] <chronofast> octeris: almost 100% yes we are
[16:06] <mkopack> octeris: That's NOT what they said??? Just that when they do send out the email, they'll have to send them out in batches.
[16:07] <mkopack> Don't read into things
[16:07] <mkopack> Now, speculation is that it'll happen today, but nothing official has been announced
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[16:08] <octeris> I suppose that is true
[16:08] <chronofast> I hope they specify a particular time/day, and not "this week"
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[16:08] <mkopack> they WILL??? just relax???
[16:08] <mkopack> They'll tell us the date and time to order when they're ready
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[16:09] <benwilliam> did anyone saw some fake PI's? I mean
[16:09] <chronofast> Does anyone know why they didn't do a preorder months ago?
[16:09] <octeris> They have said they were not going to do preorders.
[16:09] <mkopack> UK law says they can't accept preorders until they have something ready to actually sell
[16:10] <octeris> Not to mention that'd probably result in an unbelievably long backlog of orders to fill.
[16:10] <chronofast> ohh no kidding, wow
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[16:10] <mkopack> Not to mention they didn't want to deal with the "I ordered 6 months ago, where' s my device" non-stop complaining
[16:12] <chronofast> You'd think with technology today they'd be able to express a queue online for that type of thing as in "you are order #1754 of 10,000"
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[16:12] <octeris> How would that stop the complaining though?
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[16:13] <mkopack> Really it's not that big a deal??? just sit tight, relax. When it's ready it's ready. Not the end of the world.
[16:13] <mkopack> MOST of us are going to be disappointed and won't get in the first batch???
[16:13] <drazyl> "you are order #129.342 of 245,523. You're expected delivery date is 5th October 2015"
[16:13] <mkopack> Many won't even get in the 2nd batch.
[16:13] <chronofast> what's to complain about if all the information is aparent and visual online, including rough eta
[16:13] <Laurenceb> only 250 people on here
[16:13] <octeris> chronofast: if the rough eta isn't matched
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[16:13] <Laurenceb> if they have 10k there might be enough
[16:14] <octeris> Laurenceb: IRC population means nothing.
[16:14] <mkopack> chrono: ??? You mean like all the complaining we've seen about "Why isn't it out yet, they said it was coming out on THIS day" when in reality they said NO such thing...
[16:14] <chronofast> octeris: pad it out to make it comfortable
[16:14] <mkopack> People just don't read or research
[16:14] <mkopack> Laurenceb: Um, we're not the only ones ordering you know...
[16:14] <mkopack> They said there are over 100,000 people signed up on the mailing list.
[16:14] <mkopack> And probably a lot more than that checking the website
[16:15] <chronofast> either way, this is all conjecture and BS, it is what it is
[16:15] <Plam> more than 100k
[16:15] <Plam> action=mail_link&view=f012695f47c7cd08e49f9ef89cb065aa&id=226740
[16:15] <Plam> id=226740
[16:15] <mkopack> ok then??? see.
[16:15] <octeris> mkopack: I just hope the site is 'reachable' during the ordering window.
[16:15] <chronofast> Do we have a pool running for release date?
[16:15] <mkopack> oct: If it isn't, it isn't.. .wouldn't be the first time we've seen that. Again you won't die if you don't get in the first batch.
[16:16] <huene> chronofast: not sure, if that were legal
[16:16] <mkopack> It's a want, not a need
[16:16] <octeris> mkopack: I might.
[16:16] <zgreg> not all 100k are going to order as soon as it comes out
[16:16] <chronofast> huene: it's legal somewhere
[16:16] <octeris> mkopack: I'm using my RPi as a pacemaker so I need it before my current one dies. :P
[16:16] <mkopack> RIP buddy ! :)
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[16:16] <drazyl> that was perhaps a shortsighted decision
[16:17] <mkopack> YAY! looks like the Daytona 500 is pushed back to 7:20pm tonight. Good, I'll be able to watch it while I "watch" lecture tonight. :)
[16:18] <mkopack> rather 7pm
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[16:19] <mkopack> Let's just hope some TWIT doesn't go and broadcast the release info to slashdot??? THAT will kill the servers
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[16:20] <octeris> it'll be on every user-powered website
[16:20] <mkopack> yeah
[16:20] <mkopack> probably
[16:20] <octeris> it's unavoidable
[16:21] <mkopack> Given the insane demand, some of us might be waiting weeks or even months to finally be able to order one.
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[16:23] <chris_99> they're going to have a rolling production line
[16:23] <chris_99> so it shouldn't be too long
[16:23] <ahven> the first batch after the initial sale could take a bit longer, but then they should be ok
[16:24] <mkopack> yeah, but it'll take a while to get over the initial demand for them to keep up
[16:24] <ahven> atleast I hope so :)
[16:24] <chris_99> i wish they'd hurry up and make their announcement
[16:24] <mkopack> 10,000 units for > 200K people demand, and many wanting more than one, means it's going to be a while
[16:24] <sifi|work> chris_99: agreed
[16:25] <mkopack> The Fedora image is expected to get released today after some last minute testing of the install script
[16:25] <chronofast> i'd like to hope that by revision 3 or 4 they'll have the bugs worked out and that would be the right time to buy
[16:26] <mkopack> ho says there are any bugs right now? :)
[16:26] <mkopack> Who
[16:26] <octeris> I can't decide if buying on the first batch is a bad idea due to that chronofast
[16:26] <chronofast> No one, but no system is perfect
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[16:27] <mkopack> Well, it's a crap shoot. but at $35 I don't feel like I'd be losing horrible amounts of $$
[16:27] <chronofast> although for $35 if there are bugs that are not user serviceable you can just buy another one
[16:27] <mkopack> and I plan to buy several over time, so if one is crap, not a huge big deal
[16:28] <chronofast> ha, yep, exactly
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[16:31] <chronofast> preface: i have no electrical engineering background, so my question is how hard is it to make a voltage regulating circut with simple input and output, possibly something were you can dial the voltage in?
[16:31] <chronofast> impossible?
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[16:37] <chris_99> easy enough chronofast, you can use an adjustable voltage regulator
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[16:39] <chris_99> for example see lm317
[16:40] <ukscone> I was singing and I just got asked by my landlady to stop. it's all liz's fault as i was singing "why are we waiting...." :D
[16:42] <chronofast> wow, 100,000+ people on the mailing list
[16:42] <victhor> no, not the LM317
[16:42] <victhor> dissipates enough power to start a fusion reaction
[16:43] <chris_99> heh, i haven't used it myself
[16:43] <chronofast> chris_99: would that be something easily built?
[16:43] <chris_99> yeah it's just a few resistors and maybe some capacitors
[16:44] <chris_99> actually you do need the capacitors
[16:45] <chronofast> the regular is $0.99 on ebay: http://compare.ebay.com/like/250910554940?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y
[16:45] <chronofast> not bad
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[16:46] <chronofast> i'm still unsure on how to utilize it, but this is a great first step, thanks chris_99
[16:46] <chris_99> http://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Voltage-Regulator/
[16:47] <chris_99> look at the heat sink on that victhor seems quite hefty
[16:47] <chronofast> http://www.rigacci.org/docs/biblio/online/voltreg/fan-regulator/tutorial-full.html full range including potentiometer
[16:47] <chris_99> i've only really used 7805 and i didn't use a heatsink, maybe thats bad
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[16:48] <victhor> there are some switching regulator modules that aren't that expensive, and much more efficient
[16:48] <chronofast> thanks for that link, great stuff
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[16:48] <chris_99> whatcha trying to make anyway chronofast?
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[16:49] <victhor> ones that are supposed to be used as drop-in replacements for linear regulators such as the LM317 and 7805
[16:50] <chronofast> a modular voltage regulator that i can pair with the gert board and whatever I feel like sticking on it, more just so I can change it out quickly without having to redesign a circut and all that bs
[16:50] <chronofast> victhor: do you have a link?
[16:50] <victhor> http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts-cats/dc-dc-non-isolated-linear-regulator-drop-in-replacement-power-supplies-board-mount
[16:51] <victhor> search for "linear regulator replacement", you should find a lot of them
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[16:51] <chris_99> whats the difference with these other voltage regulators out of interest victhor?
[16:52] <chronofast> it doesn't look like any of those are adjustable though, maybe I'm missing something
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[16:57] <ReggieUK> chronofast, for your application, they're useless
[16:58] <ReggieUK> take a look at micrel 291xx 293xx 295xx
[16:58] <ReggieUK> they're low drop out
[16:58] <ReggieUK> 1.5a, 3a or 5a
[16:58] <ReggieUK> adjustable
[16:58] <ReggieUK> or fixed if you need them
[16:59] <ReggieUK> I'm not saying they're the best
[16:59] <ReggieUK> but most certainly a step up from 7805/lm317 regulators
[17:00] <chronofast> thank you very much ReggieUK, great stuff, I'm sure everyone on here who wants to do anything kind of motor/robotics/etc would love this info
[17:01] <ReggieUK> 7805's are really much like 555 timers
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> t
[17:01] <ReggieUK> they'll get you out of a hole and do a job for you
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> they oscillate it
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> f
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> Sigh
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[17:02] <traeak> SpeedEvil: the usb port on the n900 is a bitch
[17:02] <chronofast> SpeedEvil: $200 quadcopter diy: http://hackaday.com/2012/02/27/diy-quadcopter-for-around-200/
[17:02] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, oscillate what?
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> I decided not to bother with the joke, after suffering typing.
[17:04] <ReggieUK> or were you talking about my comparison between a v-regulator and a 555 timer?
[17:05] <ReggieUK> only in so much as they are old tech, that are useful in situations that you have nothing else
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[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> oh i remember 555 timers
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[17:31] <Tachyon`> bah
[17:31] <Tachyon`> 556 timers had twice as much awesome
[17:31] <Tachyon`> any news?
[17:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes more news later
[17:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
[17:34] <Tachyon`> rattus rattus...
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[17:38] <traeak> yuk twitter
[17:38] <traeak> seems i have to have an account ot see it
[17:38] <traeak> guess not...weird
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[17:39] <traeak> 100k on the mailing list
[17:39] <traeak> i guess the rhombust guys are jealous :-p
[17:39] <mkopack> more like 225K+ on the mailing list
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[17:39] <traeak> lovely
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[17:45] <traeak> i notice this past weekend huawei has a 64bit (?) quad cortex a9 (?)
[17:46] <traeak> looks like it supports a pop package as well
[17:46] <traeak> http://www.ruchirablog.com/huawei-k3v2-quad-core-processor/
[17:46] <traeak> ahh 64bt memory channel, not 64bit addressing
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[17:51] <stuk_gen> 225K /10K
[17:51] <stuk_gen> XD
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[17:53] <mkopack> Yeah, MOST of us are going to be very disappointded
[17:53] <mkopack> but hopefully not for super long
[17:54] <Elfish> yup...
[17:54] <Elfish> i prolly wont get one as usual
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[17:58] <ReggieUK> someones gonna buy them, why should it be me? as much chance of getting one as not getting one
[18:00] <stuk_gen> the news is at the end of the years there are more products like raspberry
[18:00] <ReggieUK> the interesting thing will be the n00b to experience ratio between owners in this batch
[18:00] <chronofast> stuk_gen : it will be about community support then
[18:01] <mkopack> I just hope it doesn't end up being a bunch of people buying them just to turn around and Ebay them
[18:01] <ReggieUK> which is probably why they let nokia fund 400 units to be given to QT developers with decent ideas
[18:01] <mkopack> to try to make a profit based on the speculation of demand vs supply
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[18:01] <stuk_gen> yes Qt developers :)
[18:01] <ReggieUK> it already did happen, mkopack, what with the ebay auction :D
[18:02] <ReggieUK> difference being it was the rpi foundation speculating
[18:02] <mkopack> Right, but that was the foundation itself doing it??? That I don't mind
[18:02] <mkopack> when people go ad buy up all the stock just to turn around and ebay it is when I get annoyed
[18:02] <mkopack> Hopeflly that won't be done as much given the 1 per person limitations.
[18:02] <ReggieUK> but that's capitalism and a free market economy
[18:03] <chronofast> What is wrong with doing that with a something that you own?
[18:03] <ReggieUK> that's how we end up with most of this stuff anyway
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> someone making a buck
[18:03] <Aquilus_> ReggieUK: Actually, if we assume there's 100k that want to order it, you're much more likely *not* to get it :p
[18:03] <traeak> nokia probably injected some cash up front
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[18:04] <stuk_gen> probably they sell 9000k
[18:04] <ReggieUK> Aquilus_ sure but I have just as much chance as anyone else of achieving either
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[18:04] <traeak> good capitalism would mean that there would rpi competitors
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[18:05] <mkopack> right, not just people speculating
[18:05] <traeak> maybe $50 android settop boxes coming out with the A10 or something
[18:05] <chronofast> and there will be plenty come 2013 if this goes well enough
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[18:05] <stuk_gen> the only solution is a random estraction
[18:05] <traeak> if they are easily hackable (boy i sure hope) then that will help with some of the demand
[18:05] <ReggieUK> there are already ??20 stbs for ota dvb
[18:06] <chronofast> Are the plans for the Pi out in the wild yet?
[18:06] <hotwings> [09:03:14] <Aquilus_> ReggieUK: Actually, if we assume there's 100k that want to order it, you're much more likely *not* to get it :p <-- why would you assume 100k? lol where do you dream up these numbers from
[18:06] <ReggieUK> hotwings, that would be down to the 100k subscriptions to the mailing list
[18:06] <traeak> chronofast: you mean specific design specs on the boards? i seriously doubt those will ever be available
[18:06] <chronofast> 200,000 on the mailing list, it was in a tweet
[18:06] <Aquilus_> They said that they had "over 100k" subscribers to their newsletter.
[18:07] <Aquilus_> 200k now? That's insane.
[18:07] <chronofast> yep
[18:07] <hotwings> lol
[18:07] <ReggieUK> insane and good but how that will translate into real numbers of owners is anyones guess
[18:07] <traeak> wait and see?
[18:07] <ReggieUK> those figures could be wildly underestimated
[18:08] <hotwings> thats one of the worst ways to try to use that number
[18:08] <ReggieUK> considering some people have been talking about wanting 20-30 units
[18:08] <chronofast> traeak, I mean anything that can be copied easily, not necessarily sourced parts, but for competitors
[18:08] <ReggieUK> how many of the 200k are educational establishments?
[18:08] <traeak> i would suspect it all depends on how well the rpi foundation can fill orders
[18:08] <traeak> compared with how fast competition springs up
[18:08] <hotwings> traeak has it right.. wait and see..
[18:08] <ReggieUK> on the first run, not very well :D
[18:09] <ReggieUK> 9,600
[18:09] <ReggieUK> thats yer lot
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[18:09] <traeak> it also would suck to have an order of 20-30 "lemons" if the first 10k have some spurrious issues with signalling they didn't catch
[18:09] <chronofast> yep, I wonder what portion will wait for the educational package, so late fall
[18:10] <piofcube> Of course it will be a nightmare once those are sold... "When's the next batch coming out?" and people refreshing the shop site just in case :S
[18:10] <chronofast> maybe 20%?
[18:10] <traeak> as mentioned, for educational use they *must* have a case with the thing
[18:10] <traeak> but i'm sure designig one of those will be much easier once the 9.6k are out in the wil
[18:10] <traeak> wild
[18:11] <chronofast> unless it's cnc/3d printing as the education, so building a case for it, lol
[18:11] <piofcube> For learning to program, sure they need a case but I bet the r-pis will also be used for hardware educational purposes so wouldn't need a case there.
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[18:13] <hotwings> hardware educational purposes?
[18:13] <piofcube> In fact, if the educational establishments get co-ordinated, they could involve the CDT/Tech/whatever it's called these days to design and build cases for them
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[18:14] <traeak> piofcube: for universities it shouldn't be a requirement
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[18:15] <traeak> and as mentioned before, i think the universities are a much better target for the rpi
[18:15] <traeak> comp sci and computer engineering
[18:15] <hotwings> radio shack sells cheap project boxes. so does frys electronics. problem solved
[18:16] <piofcube> traeak: true... but it could be a good tie-in. Better to get the students building something that has a good use (even if it's so they can build the cases for themselves). Better than using up the same resources on a task which won't have any further use and end up in the bin.
[18:17] <piofcube> Give everyone a choice... use the bog-standard case the foundation will provide or build your own
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[18:19] <hotwings> be creative and make your own unique case.. use a soda can for example
[18:19] <hotwings> or a hollowed out bar of soap
[18:19] <hotwings> encase it in hotglue
[18:19] <piofcube> I've known some bars of soap that were so hard it was like using a block of ivory ;-)
[18:20] <danieldaniel> did it come out yet? :(
[18:20] <chronofast> fishtank + mineral oil?
[18:21] <hotwings> "Status update
[18:21] <hotwings> Posted on February 25, 2012 by eben
[18:21] <hotwings> A brief status update for those of you wondering when boards are going to arrive. As you may have gathered, there???s been a delay at the factory; we???ve been assured this morning that a first batch of boards will ship to us either today or first thing Monday."
[18:21] <hotwings> translation: youre not getting it this week
[18:21] <hotwings> try again march 5th at the earliest
[18:22] <traeak> heheh
[18:22] <rm> which year
[18:22] <Plam> 3h ago : We'll be sending mails out in batches over a few (more than a few, really) hours.
[18:22] <rm> zomgzomgzomg
[18:22] <DDave> vapooooor
[18:22] <DDave> waaaaaaare
[18:22] <DDave> :D
[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
[18:22] <DDave> youve all been trolled!
[18:23] <Plam> nope Duke Nukem Forever was released... so everything is possible
[18:23] <pingec> argh i hate all this hype :/
[18:23] <rm> ah, so not "next few hours"
[18:23] <rm> but just over some hours
[18:24] <rm> whenever they'll start
[18:24] <pingec> Now ppl even plan to buy rpis just to resell
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[18:24] <rm> sure
[18:24] <chronofast> of course
[18:24] <rm> you could easily sell one on eBay for much more than $35
[18:24] <chronofast> yep
[18:24] <pingec> I guess I'll wait til summer
[18:24] <traeak> depends
[18:25] <traeak> next batch could be 50k instead of just 10k
[18:25] <traeak> or do we know how many they are willing to manuf next ?
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[18:25] <rm> they said it's not going to be second batch
[18:25] <rm> but a continuous process
[18:25] <pingec> Well at least I'm sure in 1 year there will be plenty of rpi's available ot alternative products
[18:25] <traeak> alternative products
[18:25] <sifi|work> This is killing me, I just wanna hear some news.
[18:25] <sifi|work> Any news.
[18:26] <Plam> me too :/
[18:26] <jmontleon> News: There is no news.
[18:26] <chronofast> I hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot, if the first batch is far below expectation i.e. people expecting streaming 1080p flash blah blah, it's going to die down quite a bit
[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> sifi|work - just read the twitter feed
[18:26] <Davespice> don't worry sifi, there are plenty of others who are having a hernia over this too =)
[18:26] <traeak> chronofast: i suspect it will...
[18:26] <Plam> It will be in time for the cased educational release. At the moment, it's a dev board which doesn't require CE marking.
[18:26] <Plam> you wanna news
[18:27] <Plam> here it is
[18:27] <sifi|work> RaTTuS|BIG: been following twitter
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[18:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p - my twitter broken
[18:28] <sifi|work> Davespice: I know, maybe I can ask to go home because of this.
[18:28] <Davespice> well... if it's given you a hernia you probably want to go to A&E! =)
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[18:29] <sifi|work> A&E?
[18:29] <Davespice> Accident and Emergency =)
[18:29] <chillly> A&E = Emergency Room
[18:29] <Davespice> this is a different phrase accross the pond no doubt?
[18:30] <sifi|work> I've never heard it called that.
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[18:30] <sifi|work> We always called it Emergency room
[18:31] <Davespice> we call it A&E in the UK
[18:31] <chillly> In UK it's A&E or casualty
[18:31] <Davespice> anyway, we digress =)
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[18:34] <Davespice> I'm wondering why people are so concerned about CE marking
[18:35] <DDave> lets see..
[18:35] <DDave> electronics made in a chinese factory, which is gonig to run 24/24
[18:35] <DDave> thats pretty much every reason I need.
[18:35] <Davespice> oo... sarcastic response detected?
[18:35] <DDave> Actually it wasnt :/
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[18:36] <DDave> the location doesnt do much difference tho
[18:36] <Davespice> and lack of case too <shrug>
[18:37] <DDave> im gonna build spaces for it, keep it some centimeters above the surface
[18:37] <DDave> using spacers or something..
[18:37] <zleap> what is 24/24 ?
[18:37] <DDave> 24hours a day
[18:37] <zleap> right
[18:37] <DDave> shouldve said 24/7
[18:37] <zleap> thought so
[18:38] <zleap> np
[18:38] <Davespice> yeah, probably a good idea, I was thinking about doing a M&S Mint Tin case for it using a dremel set (this might be an Altoid tin to some of you)
[18:38] <DDave> hmmm, Davespice coat it with plastic spray?
[18:38] <Davespice> the tin?
[18:38] <DDave> hm no actually dont
[18:38] <zleap> DDave, they may have too, if this thing proves popular, which I think it will
[18:38] <DDave> its flamable.. I think
[18:38] <DDave> LOL
[18:38] <Davespice> I will need to find some way to insulate it
[18:38] <DDave> no wait, I coat pcbs with it.
[18:38] <DDave> so it cant be flamable..right?
[18:38] <DDave> LOL
[18:39] <Davespice> not at those voltages
[18:39] <DDave> Im excited to see how much heat this is going to dissipate
[18:39] <zleap> maplin sell pcb protector stuff (or used to)
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[18:39] <DDave> Davespice: use plastic spacers when mounting the pcb in the tincase
[18:39] <DDave> so you dont have contact..
[18:40] <Davespice> yeah, my plan is to make a pdf you can download, cut parts of it out, stick the parts onto the tin, and just cut out the shaded areas with your dremel set, then it should just slot right in (that's the plan at least)
[18:40] <zleap> but there are no mounting holes
[18:40] <DDave> then make a "holder" for the corners
[18:40] <zleap> cool
[18:40] <Davespice> yeah I was thinking about using spacers or little sucker pads
[18:40] <DDave> > and < shaped
[18:40] <DDave> with plastic tips, and "screw it into position"
[18:41] <Davespice> yeah it would need something like that, so the holes don't become missaligned
[18:41] <Davespice> I'd like it to be end up so that you could stick it in your pocket and it would be okay
[18:41] <DDave> oooooor, just drill trough the pdb
[18:41] <DDave> :D
[18:41] <DDave> pcb*
[18:41] <Davespice> there are some mounting holes aren't there?
[18:42] <Davespice> actually... looking at the pictures... I'm not sure now
[18:43] <DDave> nope..
[18:43] <Davespice> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PC236530.jpg
[18:43] <DDave> thats why you might want to "grab" it at the corners
[18:43] <Davespice> yeah, at the moment the corners may stick out a little from the corners of the tin
[18:43] <Davespice> but only slightly
[18:44] <Davespice> I think I am probably going to murder several mint tins in getting it right
[18:44] <Davespice> but I'll eventually get there :)
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[18:56] <danieldaniel> is it out yet??
[18:56] <PiBot> danieldaniel: Any minute now...
[18:57] <Dagger3> so, I bought this card: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/280788410456 and it gets these speeds: http://i.imgur.com/y97OH.png , in case anybody cares
[18:57] <Dagger3> (note to self: don't benchmark on NTFS...)
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[19:04] <jardiamj> out?
[19:04] <jardiamj> yet?
[19:06] <steve_rox> no idea
[19:06] <steve_rox> getting bored of checking :-P
[19:11] <traeak> !w
[19:11] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Feb 27 11:53:00 2012. Temp 1??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 37%, Later 6??C - -2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:11] <traeak> heh
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[19:21] <Doxsee> so when does everyone think the release will be? maybe we can all 'will' it to come out tomorrow.
[19:23] <Simon-> are you going to buy one?
[19:23] <Simon-> (if so, check back in 1 month ;))
[19:23] <Doxsee> yes I will :)
[19:23] <jardiamj> My crystal ball shows that it's gonna be tomorrow at 1:00 AM
[19:24] <jardiamj> Doesn't show in what time zone though...
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[19:26] <Doxsee> yes jardiamj, then wednesday will be the end of the world and everyone won't be able to enjoy theiir pi!
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[19:26] <Doxsee> meh, anyways I you're right
[19:29] <jardiamj> Doxsee: we'll be able to enjoy our pi untill November 2012
[19:29] <jardiamj> http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/26535/alien-spaceships-to-attack-earth-in-2011/
[19:30] <Doxsee> lol 'weekly world news' my ass
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[19:32] <hotwings> that would be awesome
[19:36] <jardiamj> That's true news man!!
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[19:39] <Doxsee> they should make a movie of that. make bucketloads in the theaters, scare the crap out of everyone, it's a win win situation.
[19:39] <traeak> http://www.plexus.org/forster/index.html
[19:39] <Wolfram74> what movie is this?
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[19:41] <Foxhoundz> This is getting ridiculous!
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[19:42] <Dagger3> Foxhoundz: ok. thanks for dropping in to tell us.
[19:42] <Wolfram74> what's ridiculous? the twitter feed?
[19:42] <Wolfram74> the pre-release buzz?
[19:42] <Doxsee> this would be rediculous if everyone waiting to buy a pi were appole fanboys. that would be rediculous
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[19:44] <Foxhoundz> Wolfram74: the lack of communication
[19:44] <Foxhoundz> THe front page has not been updated
[19:44] <Foxhoundz> We're down to a matter of days if not hours until the release
[19:45] <Foxhoundz> and still not one blog post
[19:45] <Foxhoundz> about it...
[19:45] <jardiamj> Foxhoundz: Maybe there another delay... who knows...
[19:46] <Ruairi> Foxhoundz: Don't be so melodramatic, they've been very good at communication imo.
[19:46] <mkopack> Just relax??? I'm sure they're just trying to make sure everything is ready to go before releasing the info...
[19:47] <mkopack> They said the other day that the units hadn't shipped from China yet and that they'd either ship out on Friday or Monday??? They're most likely waiting to be sure the units reach all the distribution sites before releasing the order info.
[19:48] <jardiamj> I agree with mkopack, we want something that works so they can take their time in my opinion
[19:48] <Doxsee> mkopack thats a reasonable conclusion
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[19:50] <mkopack> So we might not get any info until tomorrow??? It all depends on when the distribution centers get their shipment??? For all we know, they might be getting held up in customs somewhere??? That happens??? Just chill!
[19:50] <mkopack> It's going to happen, just might take a few days, They'll tell us when they have something meaningful to report.
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[19:50] <Ruairi> I imagine they are anticipating the arrival of kit just as much as we are :)
[19:50] <mkopack> We've all waited this long, what's another couple days?
[19:50] <mkopack> Exactly!
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[19:52] <Doxsee> so, what is everyone planning to do with their pi?
[19:52] <sifi|work> secret stuff.
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[19:52] <mkopack> I want to punch the morons who keep non-stop hitting the RPI site and shop for NO reason at all
[19:53] <mkopack> 3 things - 1-XMBC, 2-Zoneminder camera system so I can check in on the dog during the day at home, 3-robotics stuff
[19:53] <Doxsee> lol now you've stopped being reasonable
[19:53] <mkopack> DOX: Why's that??? They're just spamming the server for no reason.
[19:53] <Doxsee> 1 XBMC completely agree
[19:54] <Doxsee> I tryed to convey sarcasm on the internet. failed miserably
[19:54] <mkopack> the info will get posted with 24 hours advanced notice. What good is it if I see the notice at 12:00:00 vs 12:00:05 vs 5:00:00pm? As long as I get the info in advance so I can plan when I need to hit the shopping site?
[19:55] <mkopack> Some of these people are being retarded and just pounding on the server because they're too lazy to READ THE FAQ
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[19:57] <Doxsee> 1. setup fresh email 2. subscribe 3. wait for that email
[19:57] <Doxsee> pretty easy imo
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[19:58] <mkopack> Exactly.. OR, just check the twitter feed 2-3 times a day, or maybe the website 2-3 times a day...
[19:58] <mkopack> Once every 5 seconds though is STUPID
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[20:01] <jardiamj> once every 5 seconds? wow... that's crazy
[20:02] <jardiamj> I mean, stupid...
[20:02] <relaxed> PROTIP: The internet is full of stupid people. Whining about it here constantly will not change that.
[20:03] <mkopack> they all don't READ the faq to see that they'll be given advanced notice??? They seem to think they need to hit the website constantly and that the unit will magically appear for sale without any advanced notification.
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[20:03] <mkopack> And that's most of the reason why the RPi website has been struggling over the last 2 months...
[20:04] <Thorn_> not really
[20:04] <Thorn_> it isn't really much worse now than it was 6 months ago
[20:04] <jardiamj> hey guys, there is a typo in the topic
[20:05] <jardiamj> it says "speadsheet" instead of "spreadsheet"
[20:05] <mkopack> eh, I don't know??? when I first started hitting it back in Oct, it was pretty good. Now, it's like at least once a day I get the "Error establishing database connection" page
[20:05] <Thorn_> it was doing that as far back as august
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[20:08] <Kushan> is it out yet?!
[20:08] <PiBot> Kushan: Any minute now...
[20:08] <Kushan> =D
[20:08] <Kushan> I love PiBot
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[20:10] <LiENUS> is it dead yet?
[20:11] <zgreg> fyi: in the synthetic benchmarks seen on http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance, the rpi is about 1/3 of the speed of a similarly clocked intel atom
[20:11] <LiENUS> ouch
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[20:12] <petschge> and now compare powerconsumption
[20:12] <zgreg> atom isn't bad on that front at all (the modern variants)
[20:13] <mkopack> Not surprised??? The CPU in the RPi is NOT stellar...
[20:13] <mkopack> Don't you guys remember the Pentium 300's???
[20:13] <mkopack> Or too young?
[20:13] <LiENUS> pentium 300s?
[20:13] <zgreg> sure I do
[20:13] <weuxel> Had a K6-2 350 :-)
[20:14] <LiENUS> mkopack, you mean 300mhz?
[20:14] <mkopack> Most of us are using processors at LEAST 10x faster than those (just by clock speed, not to mention core improvements, memory interface improvements, and multi-core)
[20:14] <zgreg> the point is, many people have high expectations despite the FAQ saying something like this
[20:14] <mkopack> yes
[20:14] <traeak> all they need to do...*IF* they have the ability
[20:14] <mkopack> LiENUS: They said these things are roughly Pentium 300Mhz performance class CPUs
[20:14] <LiENUS> i didnt know intel ever made a 300mhz pentium
[20:14] <zgreg> LiENUS: pentium 2
[20:14] <traeak> is to make the router filter out and reject any of those stupid ping packets
[20:14] <LiENUS> ... quite the difference between a p2 and a pentium
[20:15] <traeak> p2 was radically different architecture from original pentium
[20:15] <mkopack> regardless, still a FAR CRY from a modern x86 core processor...
[20:15] <mkopack> So don't go expecting a blazingly fast experience vs a modern laptop
[20:15] <traeak> wasn't hte p2 the first superscalar one?
[20:15] <LiENUS> lol didnt the modern x86 core go back to the p2/p3 design as an inspiration?
[20:16] <slaeshjag> Intel based the C2D on the Pentium 3 design
[20:16] <traeak> or perhaps instruction reordering, can't remmeber and too lazy to look it up
[20:16] <mkopack> Th P4 was a big departure (Netburst architecture) which was abandoned because it required super long pipelines to get the high clock speeds, which made for super long latencies
[20:16] <traeak> p4 was pure marketing based on megahurtz
[20:16] <mkopack> Yup
[20:16] <zgreg> traeak: intel pentium was the first superscalar one
[20:17] <LiENUS> p4 kicked ass till amd figured out how to market against it
[20:17] <LiENUS> kicked ass in terms of marketing not performance
[20:17] <traeak> p4 didn't kick ass....it brought about lockin technologies
[20:17] <traeak> rambust
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[20:17] <traeak> (compared with rhombust)
[20:17] <traeak> that whole rambust fiasco
[20:17] <LiENUS> it sold like crazy
[20:17] <zgreg> p4 kicked ass in *some* ways
[20:18] <zgreg> if you ever used SSE2, you'd know :)
[20:18] <traeak> amd just did the obvious and beat their asses ... DDR instead of rdimms
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[20:18] <zgreg> the "core duo" actually was a big disappoint when it came to SSE2 performance
[20:18] <zgreg> *disappointment
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[20:18] <traeak> amd was the first to introduce vector extensions
[20:18] <zgreg> traeak: err?
[20:18] <traeak> i mean non integer vector instructions
[20:18] <traeak> 3dnow !
[20:18] <traeak> preceded sse
[20:18] <zgreg> yeah, that's true
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[20:19] <traeak> amd had p4 beat technologically....intel just extended the instruciton set and confused things
[20:19] <zgreg> but at the time, integer simd was more important anyway
[20:19] <traeak> with the athlon amd seemed to think it "won" and was content to copy intel's micro "innovations" with sse, multicore, etc
[20:19] <mkopack> Anyhow, back to the original point, Don't expect miracles out of this thing??? Most of the impressive stuff we've seen are things that rely upon the GPU to get the performance, NOT the CPU.
[20:20] <zgreg> nobody used 3dnow back then, and it is used so little they even removed the instruction set in new cpus
[20:20] <traeak> that's why the core2 beat amd's ass, because amd dropped their r&d department
[20:21] <mkopack> AMD had to do their own SIMD instructions because they were in a legal dispute with Intel over licensing of the added instructions??? Intel claimed AMD didn't have a license to those, AMD felt they did as part of their x86 license, so until the suit was settled AMD had to create their own SIMILAR instructions. Hence 3DNow!
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[20:21] <Thorn_> agner has an interesting read on how the intel compiler even today refuses to use an optimized code path on amd cpu's
[20:22] <mkopack> Yup, and most compilers use Intel's math library??? which sucks on AMD
[20:22] <Thorn_> yep
[20:22] <Thorn_> http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49 for those that havent read
[20:22] <mkopack> In general, Intel holds a monopoly position which consistently has screwed AMD from really competing
[20:23] <traeak> extern "C" int __intel_cpu_indicator; struct use_intel_t { use_intel_t() { __intel_cpu_indicator = -1; } }; static use_intel;
[20:23] <Hopsy> where can I buy raspberrypi?
[20:23] <Thorn_> Hopsy: local corner shop
[20:23] <traeak> i don't know if that "hack" still works though
[20:23] <mkopack> Hopsy: Not out yet??? raspberrypi.com once it is.
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[20:24] <Hopsy> when will it come out? it should be came online today wasnt it?
[20:24] <Thorn_> lol
[20:24] <Thorn_> Hopsy: press f5 a few times and see if it pops up
[20:24] <Plam> lol
[20:24] <Plam> stop trolling !
[20:24] <Hopsy> "In other news, if you don?t own an alarm clock, this weekend might be a good time to do some shopping."
[20:24] <sifi|work> nooo
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[20:25] <mkopack> Hopsy: Explain how you got "Should be coming online today" out of that post from Eben???
[20:25] <mkopack> NOWHERE did it say explicitly "Will be on Sale on Monday"
[20:25] <traeak> heh
[20:25] <LiENUS> mkopack, it implies an anouncement a day or two ahead of time might be coming on monday
[20:25] <LiENUS> it implies that it will not in fact be coming on sale monday
[20:25] <Hopsy> It could be a sign!
[20:25] <Thorn_> Hopsy: actually, they were just trying to help alarm clock sales, they meant nothing by it.
[20:26] <LiENUS> Hopsy, it definately will not come out today
[20:26] <LiENUS> they said that on twitter
[20:26] <mkopack> Right??? the ANNOUNCEMENT might be out on Monday??? the sales probably not Monday
[20:26] <LiENUS> they said they will give advance notice before it goes on sale
[20:26] <LiENUS> since there was no advance notice yesterday
[20:26] <LiENUS> it will NOT come out today
[20:26] <Thorn_> nowhere did they say you would be given a full day's advance notice
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[20:27] <Thorn_> they could mail the mailing list 5 seconds before putting them up
[20:27] <mkopack> NOTHING has been set in stone yet for any sort of announcement or release date/time.
[20:27] <mkopack> Thorn: Actually, Liz has posted that several times
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[20:27] <mkopack> in various threads and responses to blog postings
[20:27] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[20:27] <PiBot> aditsu: Any minute now...
[20:27] <Thorn_> mkopack: she said a full day/24 hours?
[20:27] <Hopsy> okay :(
[20:27] <Plam> is it out yet?
[20:27] <PiBot> Plam: Any minute now...
[20:27] <mkopack> 99% sure that's what she's said
[20:27] <Plam> haha
[20:27] <Thorn_> i'm well aware there would be notice in advance, never read any mention of it being atleast a days
[20:27] <mkopack> So that we'd all have time to get our ducks in a row prior to ordering
[20:27] <Hopsy> PiBot: should I press f5?
[20:28] <mkopack> I'd have to go hunt to find the postings, but pretty sure that's what she indicated
[20:28] <Thorn_> k
[20:28] <LiENUS> Thorn_, what good would an alarm clock be?
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[20:29] <LiENUS> liz said eben wouldnt tell you to get an alarm clock and not give you enough notice for it to be usable
[20:29] <LiENUS> which implies a full days notice
[20:29] <mkopack> I think they're saying 24 hour advanced notice to not screw over people who would get it in the middle of the night and thus wouldn't get it in time before the sale starts. This way we'd all be on level playing field
[20:29] <Thorn_> in any case
[20:29] * Thorn_ cannot afford one this batch
[20:29] <Simon-> well, except for anyone who is normally asleep at the release time
[20:29] <aditsu> I took the alarm clock comment as trolling
[20:30] <Thorn_> yeah, liz is known for being a massive troll
[20:30] <Thorn_> she used to spend her days as a 4chan janitor even
[20:30] <aditsu> orly?
[20:31] <LiENUS> aditsu, you dont follow the twitter feed do you?
[20:32] <aditsu> nope, I don't like twitter
[20:32] <mkopack> Simon: But THAt would be the reason for the alarm clock???
[20:33] <mkopack> Unfair if they post the announcement at 1am my time, for sale @ 6am my time??? IS fair if they post the announcement at 1am my time, for sale 1AM following day my time??? I can set an alarm to get me up to make my order then...
[20:33] <LiENUS> did they pull the alarm clock tweet down?
[20:33] <mkopack> In the first case, I wouldn't even see it before it would go onsale
[20:34] <LiENUS> ah here we go
[20:34] <LiENUS> it definately will not be on sale today
[20:34] <LiENUS> Ellee ??? @elleeseymour
[20:34] <LiENUS> ? Open
[20:34] <LiENUS> @Raspberry_Pi fans, you should hopefully be able to order your credit card sized computer board tomorrow: bit.ly/AziVCv #raspberrypi
[20:34] <LiENUS> Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi
[20:34] <LiENUS> Close
[20:34] <LiENUS> @elleeseymour Not tomorrow - but soon!
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[20:34] <LiENUS> another important tweet
[20:34] <LiENUS> Mamolian ??? @mamolian
[20:34] <LiENUS> ? Open
[20:34] <LiENUS> Alarm clock set and ready for some early F5'ing of the #raspberrypi website! :p @Raspberry_Pi
[20:34] <LiENUS> Mamolian ??? @mamolian
[20:34] <LiENUS> ? Open
[20:34] <LiENUS> Alarm clock set and ready for some early F5'ing of the #raspberrypi website! :p @Raspberry_Pi
[20:34] <LiENUS> err
[20:34] <LiENUS> Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi
[20:34] <LiENUS> Close
[20:34] <LiENUS> @mamolian You don't need it for tomorrow. We'll give you plenty of notice for when you'll have to set it!
[20:34] <Plam> successful troll is sucessful
[20:35] <hotwings> stop spamming
[20:35] <mkopack> Not sure if they mentioned the alarm clock on twitter, but def in the blog post last Friday
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[20:35] <LiENUS> mkopack, maybe that was it
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[20:36] <LiENUS> also he said they should ship to them either saturday or monday
[20:36] <LiENUS> likely they wont have them till tuesday at the earliest
[20:36] <mkopack> right, we still have 2 days left in this month
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[20:36] <Plam> maybe they talk about next week
[20:37] <LiENUS> no one is getting theirs this month heh
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[20:37] <LiENUS> hopefully batch 2 is significantly larger than 10k units
[20:37] <mkopack> They said it would be
[20:38] <aditsu> if they ship on Mon, they may arrive on Thu or so
[20:38] <LiENUS> i wonder what their profit is at $35 a unit
[20:38] <mkopack> gotta figure, they only had so much $$$ to do this first batch with...
[20:38] <mkopack> Once we buy the first batch they'll have more $$ to do the 2nd + 3rds and so on
[20:38] <LiENUS> are we goign to have to expect batches to grow %10 at a time so next batch will be 11000 units? :/
[20:38] <LiENUS> mkopack, yeah but how much profit
[20:38] <mkopack> It's going to be more of a rolling continuous production run
[20:38] <Plam> it think if first batch disapear in 5??mins, they'll order much more at the next one
[20:38] <LiENUS> if they're only making $3 a unit
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[20:39] <LiENUS> Plam, but do they have $350,000 to order a 100,000 unit batch?
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[20:39] <Plam> maybe if they do pre-order next time
[20:39] <LiENUS> given that theres 100k mailing list subscribers
[20:39] <aditsu> LiENUS: better check your math there :p
[20:39] <sifi|work> zomg
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[20:39] <mkopack> LiENUS: There's ways around that??? Most banks will do accounts receivable loans to small businesses to cover stuff like that
[20:39] <sifi|work> something big is going to happen
[20:39] * apropos (~apropos@89-168-187-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:39] <sifi|work> 0600h gmt wednesday 29th
[20:39] <apropos> I bet it's not the release.
[20:39] <mkopack> Just posted to twitter (No joke): Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi
[20:39] <mkopack> Reply
[20:39] <mkopack> Retweet
[20:39] <mkopack> Favorite
[20:39] <mkopack> ?? Open
[20:39] <mkopack> Something big is happening at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012. Visit raspberrypi.org then to find out what's going on.
[20:39] * apropos is now known as xlq
[20:40] <LiENUS> aditsu, good point, do they have 3.5 million to do a 100,000 unit batch
[20:40] <xlq> Yes, it's on their blog too. But I bet it's not the release. Typical British joke :P
[20:40] <Plam> Something big is happening at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012. Visit raspberrypi.org then to find out what's going on
[20:40] <LiENUS> rapparently they do have 350k heh
[20:40] <Plam> confirm that
[20:40] <mkopack> "The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be making a big (and very positive) announcement that just might interest you at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012. Come to www.raspberrypi.org to find out what???s going on."
[20:40] <sifi|work> update on website
[20:40] <aditsu> something big = another blog update
[20:40] <Plam> Ladies and gentlemen, set your alarms!
[20:40] <Wolfram74> oh that's not even news
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[20:40] <LiENUS> aditsu, that wouldnt be that big
[20:40] <Plam> Ladies and gentlemen, set your alarms!
[20:40] <Plam> Ladies and gentlemen, set your alarms!
[20:41] <hotwings> pipe down
[20:41] <aditsu> ladies and gentlemen, load your rifles
[20:41] <xlq> Um, did I really just load the home page seconds after that was posted?
[20:41] <Stskeeps> i vote that they're going to rickroll us all
[20:41] <Davespice> omg
[20:41] <Plam> haha
[20:41] <chris_99> awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:41] <Davespice> 6 am !!
[20:41] <Wolfram74> it would be amusing
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[20:41] <Plam> GMT??!
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:41] <chris_99> damn i'm gonna have to get up early
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> site is down
[20:41] <Wolfram74> 6 GMT is actually midnight on tuesday for the midwest
[20:41] <xlq> Laurenceb_: NO it isn't.
[20:41] <Davespice> quite cool to release it on the leap year day, don't we think?
[20:41] <xlq> Worksforme
[20:41] <aditsu> 2 pm here, hmm gotta start getting up earlier
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[20:42] <Plam> @lukefromdubai It's why we thought you might need an alarm clock. :)
[20:42] <sifi|work> 1 AM EST
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[20:42] <mkopack> Guess I'm going to be up REALLY late Tomorrow night...
[20:42] <sifi|work> another tweat
[20:42] <sifi|work> tweet
[20:42] <Plam> so in France, it's GMT+1
[20:42] <Plam> so 7h
[20:42] <sifi|work> something about a static page
[20:42] <LiENUS> ok
[20:43] <aditsu> so on wed they'll announce how many days till they're open for sale?
[20:43] <LiENUS> so what is 0600gmt in us time
[20:43] <LiENUS> given that we have dst i have no fucking clue what that'll end up being :/
[20:43] <Plam> We'll be switching to a static page on the site on Wednesday at 6am, so we do not anticipate any server-melting happening.
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[20:43] <mkopack> 1am eastern time USA
[20:43] <xlq> And that's why I hate time zones!
[20:43] <aditsu> well, it depends what server it's running on; nginx -> no problem, apache -> crash and burn
[20:44] <hotwings> this place is like the national enquirer of rpi news
[20:44] <ChrisLenz> it looks like im not getting sleep tuesday night
[20:44] <mkopack> Watch, it'll be an announcement that it'll be going on sale the following morning :)
[20:44] <petschge> no really. apache just needs more configuration and tuning than a nginx server out of the box
[20:44] <xlq> RoR without 1,000-node compute cluster -> no chance
[20:44] <LiENUS> mkopack, i will be stabbing someone in the face
[20:44] <Simon-> I really don't want to have to get up at 6am :|
[20:44] <Plam> giving a release timing is GREAT??: now I can sleep and wait peacefully until wednesday
[20:45] <chris_99> i wonder if their e-commerce site is going to be running on Pis
[20:45] <LiENUS> welp just set my clock for 12:45am
[20:45] <xlq> Everyone here's going to get, err, pis'd?
[20:45] <LiENUS> xlq, doubtful
[20:45] <traeak> 11pm local i think
[20:45] <aditsu> the whole batch of 10k Pis running in parallel may be able to handle the load
[20:45] <traeak> heh
[20:45] <LiENUS> theres only 10k
[20:45] <hotwings> LiENUS - what for?
[20:45] <LiENUS> and at least 100k people who want to buy one
[20:45] <xlq> plural("pi") + "'d"
[20:46] <LiENUS> hotwings, well hopefully i'll be buying one on wendesday
[20:46] <LiENUS> wednesday*
[20:46] <DDave> YOu kidding me???!!
[20:46] <hotwings> youre numbers are all wrong.
[20:46] <Plam> Error establishing a database connection
[20:46] <Wolfram74> lienus, how do you know demand is 100k?
[20:46] <br0kenpipe> this site will definitely go down
[20:46] <DDave> 6am??
[20:46] <traeak> heh
[20:46] <chris_99> yup heh
[20:46] <tero> this might be a stupid qestion. What is current time in GMT now?
[20:46] <LiENUS> br0kenpipe, whys that?
[20:46] <hotwings> they only have 1000 units, and over 10,000,000 want to order
[20:46] <LiENUS> hotwings, i thought they had 10k units?
[20:46] <aditsu> 19:45
[20:46] <LiENUS> and its 100,000 who want to order
[20:46] <Wolfram74> there are 5 units, and every person on the planets wants one
[20:46] <LiENUS> are you just making shit up hotwings ?
[20:46] <xlq> tero: 19:46
[20:46] <LiENUS> Wolfram74, because theres 100k people on the mailing list
[20:46] <Plam> 1 rspi for the entire universe
[20:46] <tero> thanx
[20:47] <chris_99> no its 10,000 units hotwings
[20:47] <Plam> and Borgs want it
[20:47] * xlq checks ntpd is running, just in case :)
[20:47] <hotwings> LiENUS - im making up stuff just like everyone else is
[20:47] <Wolfram74> half a unit for the whole multi-verse
[20:47] <LiENUS> hotwings, my numbers come from err you know facts
[20:47] <Wolfram74> lets just chill out for a bit with some nice smooth jazz
[20:47] <Wolfram74> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRtHYiWmsoA
[20:47] <LiENUS> they've said theres 100k subscribers to the mailing list
[20:47] <LiENUS> they've said they order 10k units for the first batch
[20:48] <LiENUS> ... you know
[20:48] <LiENUS> facts
[20:48] <xlq> But...but... you can't let facts get in the way of good science!!
[20:48] <mkopack> LEIN: >100K, more like > 200K at this point
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[20:48] <mrdragons> Heh, "Leaving"
[20:48] <Wolfram74> and everybody in the US can feel smug that the people in greenland and iceland will have to be awake at like, 3 AM to see the announcement
[20:48] <LiENUS> mkopack, from 5 hours ago to now?
[20:48] <xlq> Deploying smooth jazz in 3... 2... 1...
[20:48] <hotwings> LiENUS - how exactly do you turn 100k newsletter subscribers into 100k people wanting to order? LMAO
[20:48] <Davespice> >>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14125489/IMG_0129.PNG
[20:49] <mkopack> Somebody a little while ago put in a new request to join and they came back with subscriber number 230K or something like tha
[20:49] <mkopack> t
[20:49] <mkopack> hotwings: you can't directly, but it gives an idea of demand.
[20:49] <mkopack> And considering there are many who want more than 1 unit...
[20:49] <hotwings> no, it gives you no idea what-so-ever
[20:50] <Wolfram74> yeah, i'd say that demand is of the same magnitude as mailing list size, so it's fair to say that these things are going to sell like hot cakes
[20:50] <hotwings> youre assuming A LOT.. not wise to do
[20:50] <Wolfram74> or even hot pies
[20:50] <LiENUS> hotwings, because they dont publish a newsletter?
[20:51] <LiENUS> the mailing list is strictly for people who want to buy it
[20:51] <mkopack> Ok, from what they've been implying, it sounds like they WILL be up for sale at that time (6am Wed GMT)???
[20:51] <Wolfram74> lienus, that i don't think is a sound argument
[20:51] <xlq> More assumptions :P
[20:51] <LiENUS> i swear there are more illiterate people on irc than there should be
[20:52] <hotwings> its no argument at all Wolfram74.. its complete nonsense
[20:52] <LiENUS> Wolfram74, theres a list that is meant for people who want to buy it
[20:52] <xlq> LiENUS: What do you mean?!
[20:52] <LiENUS> so you assume the people on the list
[20:52] <LiENUS> dont want to buy it?
[20:52] <mkopack> That's when they're switching to the static page, and their responses to several tweets, while not coming out and saying it, certainly seem to imply it.
[20:52] <Wolfram74> the mailing list is for updates, it is true that the update most of the people on the list want is the sale date, but it is far from the only updates people want
[20:52] <hotwings> LiENUS - you foolish assume everyone, assuming every email that registered is an actual person, intended to order
[20:52] <LiENUS> Wolfram74, what other updates does the mailing list push
[20:52] <Simon-> "want to" and "will" are two different things
[20:53] * Simon- points at the people in here who say they can't afford to buy it
[20:53] <LiENUS> it doesnt push anything but the sale date
[20:53] <LiENUS> thats it
[20:53] <xlq> I suspect the release is at the time they've given but they don't want to confirm it in case something goes wrong.
[20:53] <LiENUS> nothing else
[20:53] <hotwings> i know several people who signed up for that list just to get news
[20:53] <LiENUS> so one email from the mailing list
[20:53] <mkopack> Spuddy ??? @SpuddyGaming
[20:53] <mkopack> @Raspberry_Pi Static page on Wed, so I take it that will be an announcement of when they will be available to buy, rather then ready to buy?
[20:53] <mkopack> Raspberry Pi Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi
[20:53] <mkopack> @SpuddyGaming I am not allowed to say. Although what you posit certainly sounds unlikely.
[20:53] <LiENUS> and that mailing list is the sale date
[20:53] <LiENUS> yet for some reason
[20:53] <LiENUS> you think people on the list dont want to buy it
[20:53] <hotwings> youre a complete fool if you think every email == unique real person who will order at least 1 unit
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[20:53] <zgreg> what hotwings said
[20:53] <Wolfram74> we are arguing in circles about a silly detail, whether or not 100% of the mailing list will try to buy units is moot
[20:54] <LiENUS> hotwings, not much other point to signing up for it other than being a unique real person who wants to order
[20:54] <zgreg> there are lots of people who are just "interested" but not going to buy one
[20:54] <Wolfram74> if even 20% of the mailing list tries to buy units, half of them will fail
[20:54] <zgreg> plus lots of people who lost interest
[20:54] <LiENUS> zgreg, the mailing list doesnt send anything but the date of sail
[20:54] <mkopack> hotwings: true but considering the ONLY thing they're using the mailing list for is to notify of when they'll be up for sale, it's kinda stupid to join unless you're interested in buying
[20:54] <LiENUS> why would you be on the list if you dont want to buy it?
[20:54] <xlq> And a lot of people who probably want to wait until things have been sorted out, e.g., X.org drivers.
[20:54] <mkopack> Now, I could see maybe joining under multiple email addresses so you could make sure it would get through spam filters in case it doesn't through one or another
[20:55] <jardiamj> hey guys... set your alarms properly: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0600+UTC+February+29
[20:55] <hotwings> mkopack - thats your opinion only.. its not reality for every other person on the planet
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[20:55] <mjr> perhaps you want to see when the raspberry project hits the next "milestone" without following all too closely
[20:55] * Simon- wonders how many iphones will fail to alarm on feb 29th :)
[20:55] <mkopack> hot: Fine, but so has everything you've said to dispute it been YOUR opinion.
[20:55] <jardiamj> hahahahahahaha
[20:55] <aditsu> Simon-: lol :)
[20:55] <zgreg> also, people are an ignorant bunch and likely not even aware of what the mailing list is really for.
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[20:56] <aditsu> I trust that android won't fail :)
[20:56] <LiENUS> hotwings, so you think the majority of the people on the planet are braindamaged and would sign up for something that says it is only for people who want to buy it when they have no desire to buy it?
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[20:56] <LiENUS> occams razer hotwings
[20:56] <LiENUS> razor*
[20:56] <hotwings> LiENUS - why do you insist on making irrational assumptions about everything?
[20:57] <LiENUS> occams razor hotwings
[20:57] <LiENUS> the simplest explanation is the most likely
[20:57] <LiENUS> ie
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[20:57] <LiENUS> the most likely explanation for 100k people on the mailing list
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[20:57] <LiENUS> is that 100k people want to buy it
[20:57] <mrdragons> Holy mother of god I just saw the new blog post
[20:57] <mrdragons> I think i'ma explode
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[20:57] <LiENUS> mrdragons, ?
[20:57] <DaQatz> !channel
[20:57] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots #raspberrypi-owners
[20:57] <hotwings> LiENUS - ..........lol
[20:57] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[20:57] <PiBot> aditsu: Any minute now...
[20:57] <zgreg> >The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be making a big (and very positive) announcement that just might interest you at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012.
[20:58] <aditsu> perhaps it's time to update the bot?
[20:58] <tsdedst> lol
[20:58] <jardiamj> is it out yet?
[20:58] <PiBot> jardiamj: Any minute now...
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[20:59] <Tachyon`> iow, I nede to be up at 6am to order one?
[20:59] <LiENUS> Tachyon`, 6am gmt
[20:59] <LiENUS> good thing i preordered
[20:59] <Tachyon`> it's gmt now
[21:00] <Tachyon`> there is no preordering
[21:00] <LiENUS> if you bribe liz there is
[21:00] <chris_99> you know what that announcement is going to be 'haha we got you out of bed early'
[21:00] <jardiamj> hahahaha at LiENUS
[21:00] <haltdef> I don't get up early for anything
[21:00] <haltdef> screw you guys
[21:01] <aditsu> not even for a RPi?
[21:01] <Tachyon`> get up, I'll just go to bed a little later than usaul
[21:01] <Tachyon`> and be around at the right time
[21:01] * Tachyon` keeps programmer hours as a rule
[21:02] <LoganShaw> Tachyon: what are programmer hours?
[21:02] <Tachyon`> the same hours bats keep
[21:02] <LoganShaw> I thought programming was a 9-5 type of deal
[21:02] <Tachyon`> not if you're good at it
[21:02] <aditsu> just stayin' away from that sunlight eh?
[21:02] <aditsu> (4 am here right now)
[21:02] <Tachyon`> lol
[21:02] <LiENUS> Tachyon`, do you follow balmers curve a swell?
[21:03] <Tachyon`> haha, no, I don't drink much
[21:03] <LiENUS> i think thats why i havent programmed much lately
[21:03] <LiENUS> i cant drink when i have my daughter
[21:03] <Kushan> Oh god, 6am?!
[21:03] <LiENUS> Kushan, 6am gmt
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[21:04] <LiENUS> are you in gmt
[21:04] <LiENUS> ?
[21:04] <Kushan> yes
[21:04] <aditsu> I drink
[21:04] <aditsu> just not much alcohol
[21:04] <Kushan> going to be getting up early on wednesday....
[21:04] <LiENUS> aditsu, balmers curve relates to bac and coding efficiency
[21:04] <hotwings> LiENUS - youre a programmer? i would have never guessed that
[21:05] <LiENUS> its a joke
[21:05] <LiENUS> hotwings, ...
[21:05] <LiENUS> not sure if trolling or srs
[21:05] <aditsu> LiENUS: I know, I read xkcd
[21:05] <zgreg> it's not necessarily a joke
[21:05] <mrdragons> So 6am gmt is 1am est?
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[21:05] <xlq> So, it has come to this.
[21:05] <zgreg> there is some truth to the "ballmer peak"
[21:05] <aditsu> yes it was peak not curve
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[21:06] <LiENUS> i use a breathalyzer to optimize my reaching it
[21:06] <LiENUS> aditsu, theres some curve to it
[21:06] <zgreg> programming is a creative process, and a little bit of alcohol is going to influence that positively
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[21:06] <LiENUS> but yeah i suppose it is a peak looking back at the cartoon
[21:06] <LiENUS> zgreg, programming is also a logical process
[21:06] <rm> <Tachyon`> iow, I nede to be up at 6am to order one?
[21:06] <LiENUS> adding a drug that reduces your ability to function logically is counterintuitive to that process
[21:06] <Tachyon`> if you're in england, yes
[21:06] <rm> GMT+5 B**CHES!!!!
[21:06] <Tachyon`> or GMT at least
[21:07] <piofcube> No need to explain TimmyDropTable then? ;-)
[21:07] <rm> I'm going to eat all your Pie
[21:07] <hotwings> alcohol has always helped me break otherwise working things.. then spending my hangover day fixing them..inbetween naps of course
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[21:07] <LiENUS> given that most of my best programming involves stepping through assembly instructions in my head
[21:07] <Kushan> I'd rather stay up until 1am than have to get up at 6am :(
[21:07] <zgreg> LiENUS: yes, that's why it's a bad idea to get totally drunk
[21:07] <LiENUS> alcohol is unlikely to improve my coding ability
[21:07] <LiENUS> ...
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[21:07] <LiENUS> .14 IS totally drunk
[21:07] <zgreg> yeah, the BAC of the comic is BS, but the idea is not
[21:07] <mrdragons> No, .21 is totally drunk. (And possibly in a coma. :P)
[21:07] <LiENUS> zgreg, a drug that impairs logic
[21:08] <LiENUS> being good for a logical process?
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[21:08] <aditsu> however, no amount of strong alcohol drinking or lsd in the world would turn a normal person into Steve Ballmer
[21:08] <LiENUS> protip i have impaired logical functioning due to a genetic condition
[21:08] <Kushan> well, it's not that hard to believe
[21:08] <Kushan> programming is mroe than just pure logic, you have to be creative as well
[21:08] <LiENUS> i take drugs in order to increase my logical functioning to be able to program effectively
[21:08] <Kushan> more*
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[21:09] <LiENUS> otherwise id be at the ballmer peak 24/7
[21:09] <LiENUS> sad shit is even i grasp that the mailing list for people who want to buy a raspi likely is mostly made up of people who wish to buy a raspi
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[21:11] <fossjon> sys admins back in the 70s had to take lsd to solve and diagnose system failures cause they were soo complicated back then
[21:11] <fossjon> so how about that eh
[21:11] <fossjon> that statement is 120% true
[21:11] <LiENUS> fossjon, thats made up
[21:11] <chris_99> haha
[21:12] <fossjon> dude think of how hard it was to diagnose why a system failed back then
[21:12] <LiENUS> ...
[21:12] <fossjon> there could be like a physical bug stuck in your tape drive
[21:12] <LiENUS> ...
[21:12] <fossjon> thats why they called it bugs back then
[21:12] <LiENUS> you dont know much about computers in the 70s do you?
[21:12] <LiENUS> i have a computer from the 70s
[21:12] <LiENUS> it still works just fine
[21:12] <LiENUS> i've relied on it for my life without a second though
[21:12] <LiENUS> thought*
[21:12] <fossjon> how could you, they were the size of an entire room
[21:12] <hotwings> LiENUS - unfortunately you dont grasp how silly your assumptions are.. *shrug*
[21:13] <LiENUS> hotwings, well
[21:13] <LiENUS> we have a list
[21:13] <LiENUS> that everyone has been told contains only people who want to buy it
[21:13] <LiENUS> and you assume that it contains mostly people who dont want to buy it
[21:13] <LiENUS> i think you're the one with silly assumptions
[21:13] <LiENUS> fossjon, news to me
[21:14] <LiENUS> this one is about the size of a raspi (ok its really 4x the size)
[21:14] <hotwings> i at no point made that assumption.
[21:14] <hotwings> and i told you i personally know people who signed up strictly for info purposes, who dont plan on buying one
[21:14] <LiENUS> hotwings, which is silly
[21:14] <LiENUS> because the only info they post to the mailing list is when to buy one
[21:14] <hotwings> aside of common sense saying your theory is absurd.. reality agrees..
[21:15] <mkopack> regardless, even if only 1/10 the list is ACTUALLY interested in buying one, there still won't be enough to go around
[21:15] <mkopack> from this first batch
[21:15] <LiENUS> hotwings, are you retarded or trolling?
[21:15] <aditsu> guys, stop fighting, let's agree that many but not all people on the mailing list want to buy
[21:15] <fossjon> arent there 10,000 ready to sell right now?
[21:15] <hotwings> well, there is one thing i believe from you... that you take medication
[21:15] <fossjon> but only to mailing list people
[21:15] <LiENUS> fossjon, and 100k people who want to buy one
[21:15] <mkopack> foss: Yes,
[21:15] <LiENUS> hotwings, ok
[21:15] <hotwings> you certainly seem to need it
[21:15] <LiENUS> the raspberry pi people have said
[21:15] <LiENUS> that most of the people on the mailing list
[21:15] <LiENUS> want to buy one
[21:15] <fossjon> so first come first serve then?
[21:16] <LiENUS> they've also said they'll post no info to it other than how/when to buy one
[21:16] <Kushan> it's first come first serve
[21:16] <mkopack> fossjon: No, NOT 10K just for the mailing list people. 10K TOTAL to purchase. The mailing list is just for information purposes to announce the availability date/time
[21:16] <chillly> is there an admin here to kick the arguing fools from the channel
[21:16] <aditsu> stop fighting; http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/582/tumblr_lmputme3co1qa6q7k_large.png
[21:16] <hotwings> LiENUS - do you believe the rpi guys have talked to the 100k people on their mailing list? just a simple yes or no will suffice
[21:17] <LiENUS> hotwings, you fail at basic logical understanding
[21:17] <LiENUS> solved
[21:17] <Kushan> it doesn't matter, they'll sell out within minutes of going up, probably
[21:17] <LiENUS> now no more idiots in the channel
[21:17] <Kushan> especially since they've stated the time
[21:18] <hotwings> [12:15:03] <LiENUS> the raspberry pi people have said
[21:18] <hotwings> [12:15:07] <LiENUS> that most of the people on the mailing list
[21:18] <hotwings> [12:15:08] <LiENUS> want to buy one
[21:18] <hotwings> [12:16:13] <hotwings> LiENUS - do you believe the rpi guys have talked to the 100k people on their mailing list? just a simple yes or no will suffice
[21:18] <LiENUS> Kushan, hopefully they can get a bank loan for a lot more
[21:18] <hotwings> answer the question please.. i cant hold in my laughter forever
[21:18] <LiENUS> im guessing these cost AT least $20 per unit
[21:18] <LiENUS> err AT LEAST heh
[21:18] <LiENUS> messed up caps
[21:18] <LiENUS> so thats 200k to make 10k units
[21:19] <LiENUS> hopefully they can get at least a 2million loan for batch #2
[21:19] <Kushan> well once the first 10k are sold, that's basically $350,000 in their pockets, plus a lot will buy the power cables and stuff..
[21:19] <hotwings> the only thing worse than an idiot is an idiot that doesnt have any clue they are one.. LiENUS
[21:19] <LiENUS> Kushan, but thats only enough to buy MAYBE 7.5k more
[21:19] <LiENUS> and i dont think they'll be selling power cables with the first batch
[21:19] <Kushan> How do you figure that?
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[21:20] <LiENUS> 350,000/20 == 17500
[21:20] <LiENUS> and im guessing it really costs more than $20 per unit
[21:20] <chris_99> are they limiting 1 per person?
[21:20] <LiENUS> chris_99, yes
[21:20] <Kushan> and you got 7.5k from that?
[21:20] <LiENUS> its 14$ for the mpeg4 license alone
[21:20] <LiENUS> Kushan, ok 10k units now
[21:20] <Kushan> your own numbers are 17.5k....
[21:20] <hotwings> rofl
[21:20] <LiENUS> 17500-10k == 7500
[21:20] <LiENUS> so they'll have enough for 7.5k more than this batch
[21:20] <LiENUS> ...
[21:20] <Kushan> LiENUS those numbers don't make sense
[21:20] <LiENUS> ok
[21:20] <LiENUS> 350000/20
[21:20] <LiENUS> is what?
[21:21] <Kushan> plus you're basing that off this arbitrary number of $20
[21:21] <LiENUS> its an educated guess
[21:21] <mkopack> they said they def won't have SD cards this batch. No word on power cables
[21:21] <LiENUS> 350000/20 is what Kushan ?
[21:21] <Kushan> it's an arbitrary number
[21:21] <mkopack> But I'm expecting not.
[21:21] <LiENUS> ...
[21:21] <LiENUS> its 175000
[21:21] <hotwings> [12:19:46] <LiENUS> its 14$ for the mpeg4 license alone <--- proof?
[21:21] <LiENUS> err 17500
[21:21] <LiENUS> how many are in this first batch?
[21:21] <Kushan> it doesn't matter what 350,000 / 20 is, you pulled 20 out of thin air
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[21:21] <traeak> blow off the media licenses
[21:22] <traeak> they should have
[21:22] <LiENUS> i based 20 on the cost of the components (They've hinted at this on the forums) + the licensing costs
[21:22] <LiENUS> so
[21:22] <aditsu> Kushan: how much do you think they cost?
[21:22] <Ben64> so 29th 0600 gmt?
[21:22] <Ben64> thats when i buy one?
[21:22] <hotwings> LiENUS - show us your component price list
[21:22] <LiENUS> its likely somewhere between 25 and 30 however with assembly
[21:22] <Kushan> I don't know, aditsu, but I don't see the point guessing any more than anyone else
[21:22] <LiENUS> BUT i'm going for absolute best case scenario
[21:22] <LiENUS> the most they'll have enough for is
[21:22] <LiENUS> 350000/20
[21:22] <LiENUS> which is 17500
[21:22] <LiENUS> there are 10k units in this batch
[21:23] <Kushan> you're just pulling numbers out of thin air
[21:23] <LiENUS> 17500 - 10000 == 7.5k
[21:23] <LiENUS> Kushan, ...
[21:23] <LiENUS> learn to read
[21:23] <LiENUS> i added licensing cost + component cos
[21:23] <LiENUS> cost*
[21:23] <Kushan> I can read just fine
[21:23] <Kushan> no you didn't
[21:23] <LiENUS> thats not pulling numbers out of thin air
[21:23] <hotwings> yes it is
[21:23] <Kushan> you pulled numbers out of your arse and are treating them like gospel
[21:23] <LiENUS> $2 per board
[21:23] <Kushan> you don't know the actual cost in components, assembly, shipping, etc.
[21:23] <LiENUS> $4 for the cpu
[21:23] <LiENUS> ...
[21:23] <hotwings> all youve done is make stuff up here and try to pass it off as anything but your imagination at work
[21:23] <LiENUS> i read the forum
[21:24] <Kushan> you only have part of the picture
[21:24] <LiENUS> ...
[21:24] <LiENUS> you really fail at reading
[21:24] <Kushan> but the key you're missing is that as much of a charity as RPi is, it's also a business
[21:24] <LiENUS> i said $20 is absolute best case scenario
[21:24] <Kushan> so it has to be self-sustaining to a degree
[21:24] <LiENUS> you said they'll have 350k in their pockets
[21:24] <Kushan> why would 10k sold only let them buy 7.5k more?
[21:24] <LiENUS> which will buy them a lot more
[21:24] <LiENUS> Kushan, ok
[21:24] <LiENUS> best case scenario
[21:24] <LiENUS> it cost $20 per board
[21:24] <Kushan> so what, they sell 7.5k and what, the next batch is only 5k?
[21:24] <LiENUS> more likely $27 per board
[21:25] <petschge> would you kindly take that elsewhere?
[21:25] <LiENUS> Kushan, what did i say at the beginning
[21:25] <Kushan> oh so it's 27 now?
[21:25] <Kushan> I thought it was 20
[21:25] <fossjon> lets say 5 dollar profit multiplied by 100,000 purchases, thats like half a million all the way to the bank
[21:25] <hotwings> Kushan - it makes sense to people who have no clue what theyre talking about.. thats why it makes sense to LiENUS
[21:25] <Ben64> Kushan: which will give us infinite boards, sounds good
[21:25] <LiENUS> LiENUS> Kushan, but thats only enough to buy MAYBE 7.5k more
[21:25] <LiENUS> not 7.5k total
[21:25] <LiENUS> 7.5k more than the last batch
[21:25] <LiENUS> fossjon, but there'll only be 10k purchases
[21:25] <fossjon> for now dude
[21:25] <Ben64> LiENUS: you're dumb
[21:25] <fossjon> theyre still trying ot make them
[21:25] <LiENUS> Kushan, once again $20 is best case scenario
[21:25] <LiENUS> if you'll read what i said
[21:25] <LiENUS> you'll understand
[21:25] <LiENUS> $20 is best case scenario
[21:26] <LiENUS> absolute lowest it could possibly be
[21:26] <LiENUS> which means it probably costs more
[21:26] <Kushan> people who's argument involves petty insults generally have admitted defeat without knowing it
[21:26] <LiENUS> my point is they wont even be able to double the number of boards they can build based on profit
[21:26] <hotwings> LiENUS - why cant you just admit youve made this $20 up and its NOT substantiated with any FACTS
[21:26] <LiENUS> also
[21:26] <Ben64> Kushan: :(
[21:26] <LiENUS> protip the RPi foundation is non profit
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[21:26] <LiENUS> which means their income and expenses have to balance
[21:26] <LiENUS> ie $0 profit
[21:26] <fossjon> ya seriously LiENUS your not a hardware engineer, you dont really know how much they cost
[21:26] <Kushan> I very much doubt that the Rpi foundation only had enough funds for 10k, I'm pretty certain it's no coincidence that the first batch is 10k
[21:27] <Kushan> This is the trial batch, the first attempt, the enthusiast run
[21:27] <LiENUS> fossjon, no but i read the forums where they've mentioned component costs
[21:27] <LiENUS> i've also talked with hardware engineers about it
[21:27] <mrdragons> Have they released a full BOM?
[21:27] <Ben64> they had a lot of people backing them, which is why they didn't need preorders
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[21:27] <Kushan> And as any good person will tell you, when you ramp up production, costs decline...
[21:27] <Ben64> they're doing fine on the money front
[21:27] <mkopack> Lienus: True, but being non-profit doesn't exactly mean that. It just means that they have to reinvest their profits towards things - expanding production, or education of users or whatever. and I'm SURE their expenses so far have put them WELL into the hole.
[21:27] <LiENUS> Kushan, you think they had more than $350,000 to burn sitting around?!
[21:27] <WASDx> excellent, my regular time to wake up is 6gmt on wednesdays
[21:27] <LiENUS> im guessing they took out a loan
[21:27] <hotwings> you dont know what the components cost because you 1) dont know the quantities, 2) dont know who they purchased from, 3) cant even get pricing for some without being a registered company.. so you will never have an accurate price list.. just your imagination
[21:27] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[21:27] <PiBot> aditsu: 1:9:28:34 till announce
[21:27] <aditsu> oh cool :)
[21:28] <LiENUS> mkopack, expanding production is an expense
[21:28] <Ben64> LiENUS: doubtful
[21:28] <Kushan> LiENUS, they had people knocking at their door offering money and turned it down
[21:28] <Kushan> Money isn't an issue
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[21:28] <mrdragons> Liz was actually talking about how they remortgaged their house to be able to do this
[21:28] <traeak> that's ouch
[21:28] <LiENUS> Kushan, so they turned down money
[21:28] <LiENUS> and took in no outside income
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[21:28] <hotwings> [12:25:55] <LiENUS> protip the RPi foundation is non profit
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[21:28] <hotwings> [12:26:05] <LiENUS> which means their income and expenses have to balance
[21:28] <hotwings> [12:26:08] <LiENUS> ie $0 profit
[21:28] <LiENUS> but money isnt an issue...
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[21:28] <Kushan> Obviously they had income
[21:29] <Ben64> who ever said they didn't take in outside money?
[21:29] <hotwings> that is absolutely incorrect
[21:29] <LiENUS> i'm sure she remortgaged her house for fun...
[21:29] <DaQatz> =)
[21:29] <LiENUS> Ben64, they did?
[21:29] <DaQatz> Is the rpi out yet?
[21:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day ,9 hours ,27 minutes ,and 12 seconds till announce.
[21:29] <Kushan> What I'm saying is, the next batch isn't limited by the proceeds from this first batch
[21:29] <Ben64> LiENUS: yes they did
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[21:29] <LiENUS> Ben64, where did you read this
[21:29] <Kushan> so all your hoo-hah about 17k this and $20 that is pointless
[21:29] <Ben64> LiENUS: you should really read the site before spamming 1000 lines in here about faulty math
[21:29] <traeak> if they got us type interest rates they probably just refinanced
[21:29] <hotwings> LiENUS - you clearly dont know what youre talking about regarding any of this.. you dont even know what a non-profit business is.. just stop while youre behind
[21:29] <LiENUS> Ben64, the math isnt faulty
[21:29] <LiENUS> the numbers are just an educated guess
[21:29] <Ben64> it sure is
[21:30] <LiENUS> and the point was they wont make enough profit to order more than 7.5k boards
[21:30] <Kushan> There is such a thing as an uneducated guess
[21:30] <hotwings> LiENUS and educated dont belong in the same sentence.. thats what we've learned from your last 500 spam lines in here
[21:30] <tero> is it out yet?
[21:30] <PiBot> tero: 1 day ,9 hours ,26 minutes ,and 3 seconds till announce.
[21:30] <Kushan> you're assuming they hitched everything on this first batch...
[21:30] <tero> cool :)
[21:30] <LiENUS> nope they didnt update the faq
[21:30] <LiENUS> they still dont accept outside money
[21:30] <LiENUS> not till they ship
[21:30] <aditsu> the space should be after the comma
[21:31] <LiENUS> now they did get what $50k from the presales
[21:31] <LiENUS> ?
[21:31] <LiENUS> aint a whole lot there
[21:31] <mrdragons> Where did they say they're not taking outside money?
[21:31] <petschge> LiENUS: would you kindly shut up?
[21:31] <LiENUS> mrdragons, the faq?
[21:31] <LiENUS> did you read it?
[21:32] <mrdragons> They just said they're not taking preorders.
[21:32] <Kushan> LiENUS, do you not think that if money was the issue, they'd have put up a kickstarter?
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[21:32] <Ben64> LiENUS: you might want to re-read
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[21:32] <Kushan> Can you imagine the amount of money it would raise?
[21:32] <LiENUS> Ben64, i just did
[21:32] <Kushan> It'd probably beat double fine
[21:32] <Ben64> do you know english?
[21:32] <LiENUS> no selling shares no donations
[21:32] <LiENUS> Kushan, likely because they are a charity and are restricted from doing that
[21:32] <LiENUS> not sure about the uk but round these parts non profits are actually owned by the irs
[21:32] <Kushan> Why are they restricted?
[21:33] <mrdragons> That doesn't mean they're not taking outside money...
[21:33] <Kushan> Where did you pull that little factoid from?
[21:33] <Ben64> yes, charities are forbidden from raising money
[21:33] <Ben64> that makes total sense
[21:33] <LiENUS> Kushan, so liz remortgaged her home for fun
[21:33] <LiENUS> Ben64, from doing a kickstarter? i dont know but possibly
[21:33] <Kushan> And Liz is the only backer for the project
[21:33] <Ben64> stop making wild guesses
[21:33] <piofcube> I thought kickstarter was still US only? been a while since I looked at it
[21:34] <LiENUS> Kushan, if she had people beating down her door with money why would she waste money by remortgaging?
[21:34] <hotwings> [12:32:17] <LiENUS> not sure about the uk but round these parts non profits are actually owned by the irs <--- LMAO!!!!!! you cant possibly be this stupid
[21:34] <mkopack> Ugh, it doesn't really matter??? It is what is it. Just be glad that we finally have a date and time now!
[21:34] <hotwings> the irs does NOT own any business, regardless of its registered type
[21:34] <LiENUS> remortgaging isnt free, you have to pay interest
[21:34] <LiENUS> once again irc contains far far far more illiterate people than there should be
[21:35] <mrdragons> Hypocrite.
[21:35] <traeak> LiENUS: right now int he US mortgage rates are in the 3% range
[21:35] <petschge> and a few very impolite one
[21:35] <traeak> LiENUS: it's scary how cheap that makes a mortgage
[21:35] <LiENUS> traeak, 3% aint free
[21:35] <hotwings> so far you havent been right about anything LiENUS.. youre in no position to criticize anyone
[21:35] <traeak> LiENUS: true, unless they were paying 7%
[21:35] <LiENUS> 3% on 100k is still 3k
[21:36] <Kushan> LiENUS you're assuming that she remortgaged her house to pay for this batch, but do you actually know the full story? When this was done, how much money it raised, etc.?
[21:36] <LiENUS> and since they have people beating down their door with money
[21:36] <LiENUS> she could have saved 3j
[21:36] <LiENUS> 3k*
[21:36] <hotwings> LiENUS - stop trolling #raspberrypi....
[21:36] <LiENUS> thats 3k more to put into the foundation
[21:36] <Kushan> there's more to a charity, or even a business, than money
[21:36] <LiENUS> people beat down their door with money back when it was a $10 usb board
[21:36] <Kushan> that's the bit you keep missing
[21:37] <LiENUS> people with money assume its vaporware now
[21:37] <Kolin> no one will invest in anything if the founders arn't willing to invest...
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[21:37] <DaMummy|PND> is it out yet?
[21:37] <PiBot> DaMummy|PND: 1 day ,9 hours ,19 minutes ,and 15 seconds till announce.
[21:37] <Kushan> Kolin is spot on
[21:37] <DaMummy|PND> really?
[21:37] <LiENUS> Kolin, typically the founders are expected to invest potential income
[21:37] <LiENUS> opportunity cost
[21:37] <Kushan> I don't know the full story, but I'm willing to bet the house sale was a while ago, when the project was in the earlier days
[21:37] <LiENUS> house sale?
[21:38] <LiENUS> who said anything about house sale
[21:38] <Kushan> remortgage, whatever
[21:38] <DaQatz> DaMummy|PND, check the website
[21:38] <LiENUS> point being
[21:38] <hotwings> LiENUS - ...and you obviously dont know anything about investors either.. why am i not surprised
[21:38] <piofcube> the term invest can conjure up images of a return on that investment which can make people think in terms of a commercial venture
[21:38] <LiENUS> unless they get a bank loan for at least 2 million usd
[21:39] <LiENUS> its unlikely they'll have enough money to build enough raspis to satisfy demand in batch #2
[21:39] <LiENUS> and a successfull release of batch #1 will only drum up more demand
[21:39] <hotwings> you have no clue what the demand is so this is just more of your nonsense
[21:39] <Lycanthropist> oh tits
[21:39] <Kushan> Yeah, sorry but who said batch 2 would satisfy demand?
[21:39] <LiENUS> piofcube, who said you cant make a profit by investing in a nonprofit/charity?
[21:39] <DaQatz> IE the hoards screaming "ME TOO METOO"
[21:39] <Ben64> they have more than 350k
[21:39] <Kushan> demand won't be satisfied for years
[21:39] <Ben64> seriously don't be dumb
[21:39] <DaQatz> After the first 10k go poof.
[21:39] <LiENUS> Ben64, you know this for a fact?
[21:40] <Ben64> yep
[21:40] <Kushan> they could produce 100k units and still sell out
[21:40] <Ben64> they've said it
[21:40] <LiENUS> Ben64, where/when?
[21:40] <Ben64> i don't make up facts like you do
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[21:40] <Ben64> i'm not your google
[21:40] <piofcube> LiENUS: I didn't say you couldn't... well apart from the trustees.. who can not gain financially
[21:40] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[21:40] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[21:40] <mrdragons> Welcome brother skrock.
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[21:40] <LiENUS> Ben64, well its not on twitter
[21:40] <LiENUS> or the main page of the website
[21:40] <LiENUS> or the forums
[21:41] <Ben64> its one of those
[21:41] <Ben64> you did not check all of them in 30 seconds
[21:41] <LiENUS> i've checked all of them over the past 6 months
[21:41] <Ben64> obviously you missed a lot
[21:41] <piofcube> That is a simplification, I know... There are ways to gain from the work done by a charity but the trustee can not gain from the charity's own finances.
[21:41] <LiENUS> i've seen them say 10k is all they can afford to make for the first production run
[21:41] <Ben64> nope
[21:42] <LiENUS> so if they're selling 10k for 35 a peice, thats 350k
[21:42] <LiENUS> so if they're spending more than 350k on the first batch...
[21:42] <LiENUS> that seems to be a bad business model
[21:42] <mrdragons> Ben64: Sources pl0x, makes things go smoother
[21:42] <LiENUS> piofcube, wat?
[21:42] <Ben64> i have to go to work, can't feed trolls any more
[21:42] <LiENUS> Ben64, well you could say twitter, website or forum
[21:42] <LiENUS> but ok
[21:42] <Thorn_> you gave no citation, you are no less a 'troll' than him then
[21:42] <Ben64> yes, one of those
[21:42] <LiENUS> we know you're lying so
[21:42] <Ben64> Thorn_: go check the site then
[21:42] <LiENUS> piofcube, i dunno maybe charity's in uk are diff from nonprofits in us
[21:43] <mrdragons> You guys are horrible at arguing lol
[21:43] <Thorn_> Ben64: i am not your personal google
[21:43] <Kushan> I dunno, LiENUS, so far you've been living up to your name more than anyone else in this channel
[21:43] <LiENUS> Kushan, and so far you have demonstrated you are not a native english speaker
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[21:43] <jmontleon> awe man
[21:43] <Thorn_> rofl
[21:43] <Ben64> Thorn_: thats my line
[21:43] <jmontleon> now I have to stay up all night tomorrow
[21:43] <jmontleon> 1 or 2 am; whatever it is
[21:44] <mkopack> jmonth: where you at? which timezone?
[21:44] <Kushan> How am I not a native english speaker?
[21:44] <mkopack> It's 1AM eastern US
[21:44] <Thorn_> if this channel drops any lower it'll be mother jokes
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[21:44] <Kushan> What does that even mean, when you consider that I've been speaking perfectly fine English?
[21:44] <mkopack> thorn: LOL
[21:44] <jmontleon> eastern us
[21:44] <PhonicUK> lo all
[21:44] <jmontleon> 1 am I guess
[21:44] <Kushan> You're not even from the UK, just by living here I'm far more "native English" than you'll ever be
[21:44] <LiENUS> Kushan, well you dont understand when i said they could buy at most 7.5k more units for batch #2
[21:44] <jardiamj> look at this fail guys, found it on the comments to the latest post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14125489/IMG_0129.PNG
[21:44] <LiENUS> with 350k
[21:44] <LiENUS> that that means they could buy at most
[21:44] <LiENUS> not that that is exactly how much they could buy
[21:45] <mrdragons> native english speaker, huh?
[21:45] <mrdragons> XD
[21:45] <Kushan> I do understand what you say, however I dispute it because you worked that out using magic numbers
[21:45] <Thorn_> jardiamj: ?
[21:45] <PhonicUK> who else is either staying up or waking up to get one on weds?
[21:45] <LiENUS> jardiamj, how is that fail?
[21:45] <mkopack> Just posted on twitter: "
[21:45] <mkopack> @nexeh That list's only there to give out the announcement we made earlier this evening - so you don't really need to any more."
[21:45] <merlin1991> something big? meh it's gonna be just like the nokia "big reveal"
[21:45] <mkopack> So, yeah, they go on sale wed morning then
[21:45] * LoganShaw is now known as onyx
[21:45] <hotwings> you have no clue what their costs are, what their financial resources are, and what their business model is... why the hell do you insist on thinking youve got their entire company figured out?
[21:46] <Kushan> you assumed that the 350k is all the money they'll have and you assume the $35 boards cost $20 to produce
[21:46] * PhonicUK wants to port Android to the Pi
[21:46] <mkopack> If the mailing list only exists to announce the time of the sale, and they just said that the list exists to do the same thing as the announcement they made earlier this evening, that means it's on sale Wed."
[21:46] <LiENUS> mkopack, we need to go tell those people who want to be on the list for stuff other than that announcement so they know they can drop the list
[21:46] <hotwings> the only thing youve accomplished in here is making a complete idiot of yourself. good job LiENUS, good job.
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[21:46] <Kushan> personally, I think they probably cost more than that once you add shipping and such, but I'm not about to go around telling everyone because it's just an assumption
[21:46] <mkopack> LOL
[21:46] <jardiamj> Thorn_: his cell is gonna run out of battery if he keeps it like this
[21:46] <LiENUS> Kushan, they cost at least $20 to produce as i've said
[21:46] <jmontleon> if I stay up all night and I can't buy an rpi they owe me an rpi
[21:46] <LiENUS> given that they've hinted that the cpu costs at least #4
[21:46] <LiENUS> $4
[21:46] <Kushan> Like I said, your numbers are made up
[21:46] <Kushan> they're worthless
[21:46] <hotwings> exactly Kushan
[21:46] <Kushan> sure, you've got a component list, but that's it
[21:47] <mkopack> jmont: Just set an alarm to wake you up 10 minutes before 1am, try to order, then go back to bed
[21:47] <LiENUS> and have said the licensing costs $14 for the H.264 license alone
[21:47] <hotwings> all this kid does is make up nonense and try to pass it off as fact
[21:47] <LiENUS> which means the board likely costs more than $20
[21:47] <Kushan> And as I said, you have NO IDEA how much money RPI has in the bank
[21:47] <fossjon> ya i hate how mp4 is licensed
[21:47] <fossjon> its blocking html5 video from advancing
[21:47] <LiENUS> 350k/27 will not make them more profit than 350k/20
[21:47] <zgreg> LiENUS: 14$ for h.264? hell no.
[21:47] <PhonicUK> we don't need no stinking MP4
[21:47] <LiENUS> zgreg, its on the forums
[21:47] <Kushan> you think they've just sat around while waiting for manufacturing? You don't think they've been talking with sponsors, investers, etc.?
[21:47] <LiENUS> i'll look after i get done finding the cite to prove ben64 and Kushan wrong
[21:48] <mjr> h264 licensing is shitty, but if it were $14 I do think they'd have skipped that...
[21:48] <piofcube> I know how much they had in their bank on 31 Dec 2010 :P
[21:48] <Kushan> You can't prove me wrong, I'm saying you're basing assumptions on made up numbers - which you are
[21:48] <zgreg> the h.264 licensing costs are about 30 cents per device
[21:48] <LiENUS> mjr, they said it on the forums
[21:48] <LiENUS> zgreg, lolwut
[21:48] <Kushan> I'm saying you don't know the full picture - which you don't
[21:48] <LiENUS> where you getting that from?
[21:48] <zgreg> if I remember correctly, that is. but it was definitely << 1 USD
[21:48] <LiENUS> maybe for the actual patent license
[21:49] <LiENUS> but they arent licensing it from the consortium
[21:49] <Kushan> The only way you'll prove me wrong, LiENUS, is by showing me a bank statement from the RPI account that shows $0 tomorrow and $350,000 on wednesday at about 6:01am
[21:49] <LiENUS> they're licensing a binary blob from broadcom
[21:49] <PhonicUK> a few people i went to Uni with ended up at Broadcom
[21:49] <PhonicUK> apparently its a bit of a crappy place to work
[21:50] <LiENUS> pretty much all of the raspi guys work at broadcom
[21:50] <mkopack> Oh good lord will you guys PLEASE GIVE IT A BREAK with the funding??? NEITHER of you knows anything about the financials so it's all speculation. Just RELAX god
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[21:50] <PhonicUK> hmm, I wonder how many of them are in Bristol?
[21:50] <mkopack> I almost wish we'd all go back to fighting over when the release is going to be at this point!
[21:50] <PhonicUK> broadcom have a pretty big presense here
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[21:51] <PhonicUK> I wish I had a specsheet for the SOC :\
[21:51] <piofcube> mopack: Is it out yet? :P
[21:51] <PiBot> piofcube: 1 day ,9 hours ,5 minutes ,and 7 seconds till announce.
[21:51] <PhonicUK> I want to port android
[21:51] <zgreg> LiENUS: if they license it from broadcom it's even cheaper (because broadcom is buying lots of licenses)
[21:51] <PhonicUK> I could start most of it now with a data sheet
[21:51] <LiENUS> zgreg, they arent just licensing patents
[21:51] <LiENUS> they're licensing software
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[21:52] <zgreg> for the GPU "OS"? yes, but this is unlikely to be very costly
[21:52] <LiENUS> *shrugs* liz said $14
[21:52] <zgreg> where?
[21:52] <LiENUS> i dont think shes lying but you can go ahead and believe it
[21:53] <LiENUS> forums
[21:53] <zgreg> URL?
[21:53] <LiENUS> ....
[21:53] <LiENUS> search it
[21:53] <chillly> My first visit to this channel. What a waste of time. Maybe when the clueless geeks are chomping over The Next Big Thing it will become useful, until then, I'll leave you lot to your trolling, slavering and imaginary bonkers world
[21:53] <LiENUS> i didnt save a post i read 2 months ago
[21:53] <petschge> you made the claim, you support it
[21:53] <Thorn_> chillly: its not always like this
[21:53] <traeak> chilly: it's turned more into a social channel than anything
[21:53] <zgreg> with 14 USD for software licensing costs alone, the foundation wouldn't be able to sell without massive loss
[21:53] <mkopack> chillly: What were you hoping to learn or see here?
[21:53] <LiENUS> petschge, and he made an opposing claim
[21:53] <LiENUS> why doesnt he support it
[21:53] <traeak> chillly: what else can this channel be? there's no rpi's in the wild
[21:54] <Kolin> ites less like this when LiENUS isnt here :)
[21:54] <zgreg> so you're probably misunderstanding something
[21:54] <mkopack> Yeah, hard to have a good discussion until we have some in hand
[21:54] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[21:54] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[21:54] <chillly> Thorn_, then maybe I'll return.
[21:54] <traeak> DaQatz: noooooooo!
[21:54] <DaQatz> For more technical chat
[21:54] <LiENUS> zgreg, she said it was a significant cost of the board and said 14
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[21:54] <traeak> 14 for licensing...total ?
[21:54] <PhonicUK> shame we can't get a version without it
[21:54] <LiENUS> per board
[21:55] <traeak> i mean total licensing fees or just mpeg4 ?
[21:55] <Kushan> so the board itself costs $6 according to you?
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[21:55] <hotwings> lol
[21:55] <Kushan> I thought the CPU alone was $4
[21:55] <traeak> sry wasn't keeping close track :-p
[21:55] <PhonicUK> no way its 14 per board
[21:55] <traeak> because hdmi has a licensing fee
[21:55] <LiENUS> Kushan, ...
[21:55] <LiENUS> so if its the most expensive part of the board
[21:55] <traeak> not sure if the sd-card slot requires licensing
[21:55] <LiENUS> wouldnt that imply it cost significantly more than $6
[21:55] <PhonicUK> if the boards sell for 35, that leaves just 21 for everything else
[21:56] <LiENUS> PhonicUK, ed zachary
[21:56] <LiENUS> that would be why they almost left it out
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[21:56] <mkopack> see, I've never understood that? why should the person using the interfaces and parts and such pay the licensing fee? Shouldn't it be the company that makes the chip, interface adaptor, etc. paying the fee???
[21:56] <LiENUS> there was some talk of having it as an optional addon
[21:56] <LiENUS> mkopack, the company does
[21:56] <Kushan> I'm just going by your own made up numbers, LiENUS
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[21:56] <Kushan> you said $20
[21:56] <LiENUS> and then the company locks it out with software unless you pay them for that feature
[21:56] <Kushan> and you said $14 for licensing
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[21:56] <Kushan> so that leaves $6 for the device itself
[21:56] <LiENUS> Kushan, yes and you expressed disbelief that licensing was $14
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[21:57] <LiENUS> Kushan, ed zachary
[21:57] <LiENUS> why do you think they left things like header pins off
[21:57] <traeak> the nice thing about chinese companies....they don't seem to give a damn about those particulars
[21:57] <Kushan> no, I expressed disbelief at someone pulling numbers out of thin air and then getting pissy when people disputed them
[21:57] <traeak> good or bad depending...
[21:57] <DaQatz> So do I have to wipe PiBot's log's on wednesday?
[21:58] <traeak> DaQatz: lots of whining i'm sure
[21:58] <fossjon> .PiBot truncate
[21:59] <fossjon> !PiBot truncate
[21:59] <fossjon> :/
[21:59] <Kushan> DaQatz you should totally make a PiBot twitter bot
[21:59] <traeak> yeah, poll twitter like mad
[21:59] <traeak> hmm
[21:59] <piofcube> FYI: If you produce less than 100,000 units per year you do not pay the fee.. otherwise: US $0.10 per unit
[21:59] <DaQatz> Hmm I thought dragontux did that
[22:00] <LiENUS> piofcube, for h.264 licensing?
[22:00] <mrdragons> No that was MystX's bot
[22:00] <DaQatz> Oh
[22:00] <LiENUS> from the consortium
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[22:00] <Kushan> piofcube isn't that just the H.264 part/
[22:00] <LiENUS> piofcube, ok so how much does broadcom charge for the binary blob?
[22:01] <piofcube> I thought that's what was being screached about? LOL
[22:01] <DaQatz> twitterbot add on sounds awefully spammy to me.
[22:01] <piofcube> JamesH Stated: The foundation pays the licence fees. Broadcom just provides the GPU software to match the licences purchased.
[22:02] <hotwings> yes, h264:
[22:02] <hotwings> ???0 - 100,000 units per year = no royalty
[22:02] <hotwings> ???US $0.20 per unit after first 100,000 units each year
[22:02] <hotwings> ???above 5 million units per year, royalty = US $0.10 per unit.
[22:02] <hotwings>
[22:02] <hotwings> The maximum annual royalty (???cap???) for an enterprise as of 2010 is $5 million per year. Update: For 2011-2015, the maximum annual royalty has increased to $6.5 million.
[22:02] <LiENUS> piofcube, where from?
[22:02] <piofcube> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/hardware-assisted-h-264-video-encoding/page-3
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[22:04] <hotwings> http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/avc/Documents/AVC_TermsSummary.pdf
[22:04] <zgreg> it's VERY unlikely that the GPU blob is costing the foundation a significant amount of money (if any). broadcom wants to sell the hardware after all, not to alienate possible users with horrifying licensing costs.
[22:04] <IT_Sean> o/
[22:04] <zgreg> h.264, mpeg-4 asp licensing, et al are a completely different, separate matter
[22:04] <LiENUS> alright lemme find the post from liz
[22:04] <DaQatz> Careful IT_Sean busy chat today.
[22:04] <IT_Sean> is it?
[22:04] <Kushan> I think the licensing debate just goes to show that you shouldn't pull figures from your arse
[22:04] <IT_Sean> damn.
[22:05] <DaQatz> IT_Sean, and lots o arguers.
[22:05] <LiENUS> zgreg, one of the tricks manufacturers will do with binary blobs is have different blobs based on what you buy from them rather than manufacturing different boards with/without features
[22:05] <zgreg> of course
[22:05] <zgreg> but what's your point?
[22:05] <LiENUS> ie chip contains wifi, bluetooth and fm radio htc only paid for a license for 802.11g (chip does n) and bluetooth
[22:05] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: urf
[22:05] <traeak> steal roku blobs!
[22:06] <LiENUS> so the blob they got only enabled 802.11g and bluetooth, blocked out n and fm radio
[22:06] <hotwings> LiENUS, answer his question please: [13:05:02] <zgreg> but what's your point?
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[22:08] * Kushan checks his watch
[22:10] <onyx> Kushan: how did you do that? make purple text?
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[22:10] <Kushan> /me does something
[22:10] <Wolfram74> /me
[22:10] <piofcube> Point is, I have every confidence that the Board of Trustees have done their due diligence to ensure they know what they are doing with regards to the costs.
[22:10] <fossjon> /me says /me
[22:10] * fossjon says /me
[22:10] <Kushan> It's generally used for "action" text on IRC
[22:10] * Kushan jumps up and down to demonstrate
[22:10] * fossjon is going for a coffee
[22:10] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:11] <zleap> http://goo.gl/w9kv7 - countdown till 6am wednesday
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[22:11] <onyx> okay thanks, I just started using IRC yesterday, it looks so 1990s retro but in a good way
[22:11] <Tomtiger11> Bacon.... Ahhhhhh
[22:11] <Wolfram74> it's short for emote
[22:11] <zleap> onyx, it works great though
[22:11] <IT_Sean> O.o
[22:11] <piofcube> onyx: What client you using?
[22:12] <Kushan> onyx be careful as it's a slippary slope
[22:12] <IT_Sean> 1990s retro? Really? IRC was ancient in 1990!
[22:12] <Kushan> once you go IRC, you don't go back
[22:12] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:12] <Kushan> you'll soon see that it's the likes of MSN Messenger and Facebook chat that's "retro"
[22:12] <Tomtiger11> Irc is sooooo addictive
[22:12] <Wolfram74> the guys at my local hack space argue that XML is just as good and should replace it
[22:12] <zleap> ewww those two
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[22:12] <Tomtiger11> Im going to try and host an irc server on my RasPi
[22:12] <zleap> how do you use xml for chat
[22:13] <DDave> ye..
[22:13] <Wolfram74> or what ever chat foundation makes up google chat
[22:13] <DDave> hipsters Wolfram74
[22:13] <DDave> hipsters...
[22:13] <Wolfram74> it's been awhile since i had that conversation
[22:13] <DDave> xmpp?
[22:13] <Wolfram74> that's probably it
[22:13] <Kushan> Wolfram74? XML to replace IRC? errrr
[22:13] <piofcube> LMAO
[22:13] <DDave> Jabber/xmpp
[22:13] <IT_Sean> how the arse is that supposta work?
[22:13] <Kushan> <chat text=lol=>
[22:13] <DDave> GUYS, Jabber/xmpp
[22:13] <zleap> irc works as its simple
[22:13] <Kushan> Oh balls
[22:13] <DDave> has NOTHING to do with xml
[22:13] <Kushan> syntax error
[22:13] <Kushan> <chat text=lol=/>
[22:13] <onyx> piofcube: I am using KVirc
[22:13] <Kushan> <chat text=lol/>
[22:13] <Kushan> rather
[22:13] <petschge> jabber totally has second system syndrom
[22:14] <zleap> sure you can have mibbit or cgiirc
[22:14] <Kushan> fuck, I suck at XMLRC
[22:14] <piofcube> maybe use CSS also? Get things really moving j/k
[22:14] <IT_Sean> why not toss some HTML in there, to taste?
[22:14] <Kushan> in the spirit of raspberry Pi, it should be C++!
[22:14] <Kushan> cout << "OMG!";
[22:14] <IT_Sean> noo... too tart.
[22:14] <Kushan> C?
[22:14] <Kolin> how about some xslt?
[22:14] <Wolfram74> gonna go, physics colloquium
[22:14] <onyx> Kushan: I meant retro in a good way
[22:14] <Kushan> printf("Better?");
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[22:15] <IT_Sean> out.writeline("mmmmmm... piiiiii")
[22:15] <Kushan> oh god no, not java!
[22:15] <IT_Sean> HAHAHA!
[22:15] <Kushan> ....that IS java, right?
[22:16] <Tomtiger11> Global $pi; $pi = 'Pi...... YAY'; echo $pi;
[22:16] <piofcube> IT_Sean: You could write a load of exceptions, just in case LOL
[22:16] <IT_Sean> I dunno... I rembmer using it... buggered if i remember what programming language i was studying (read: taking a class on for easy credits) at the time
[22:16] <Kushan> looks like Java
[22:16] <Kushan> ...smells like Java....
[22:16] <IT_Sean> smells a bit l... damn you. :/
[22:16] * Kushan weeps for his sanity
[22:16] <IT_Sean> hahaha
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[22:17] <Tomtiger11> Noone liked my PHP reference?
[22:17] <Kushan> noone likes PHP
[22:17] <IT_Sean> it could also have been RealBasic. In RB you can out.writeline to a file, if i recall... ::shrug::
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[22:17] <Kushan> ....full stop
[22:17] <Tomtiger11> I like PHP
[22:17] <Kushan> =P
[22:17] <piofcube> Could call it Jirc? Rhymes with... LOL
[22:17] <Kolin> no Tomtiger11 why the hell are you making it global :/
[22:17] <Tomtiger11> To be stupid
[22:17] <Kushan> In VB isn't it Console.writeline?
[22:17] <Vazde> PRIVMSG #raspberrypi :mmm.. pi
[22:17] <Kolin> lol
[22:18] <onyx> zleap: should I use a proxy to use IRC? It doesn't seem that safe having my IP plastered all over
[22:18] <IT_Sean> Kushan: dunno... never used VB
[22:18] <IT_Sean> I know in RB it's out.writeline
[22:18] <Kushan> nor have I, but in .net it's Console::Writeline(
[22:18] <zleap> erm you can have the server mask your ip address
[22:18] <Tomtiger11> I like making things global for the sake of it
[22:18] <zleap> talk to an admin
[22:18] <Kushan> C++/CLI that is
[22:18] <piofcube> onyx: You can get a cloak (?) mask I mean LOL
[22:18] <xlq> onyx: Don't use the internet then. Your address gets everywhere.
[22:18] <zleap> piofcube, thats it
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[22:19] <Tomtiger11> onyx: Get a cloak at my project :)
[22:19] <xlq> onyx: FreeNode lets you connect through tor, but you have to auth to NickServ to do so, so ...
[22:20] <onyx> okay thanks, I will do that then
[22:20] <Tomtiger11> onyx: Il give you a nice cloak
[22:20] <Kushan> "cloak" you mean BNC?
[22:20] <Tomtiger11> :P
[22:20] <Kolin> onyx: just auth with nickserv and it will mask your ip
[22:20] <onyx> okay Kolin
[22:21] <zleap> Tomtiger11, u got a resurection stone and powewrful wand too :D
[22:21] <mkopack> So, how long until somebody gets the release date info up on /. ?
[22:22] <mkopack> (hoping not until AFTER it's come and gone...)
[22:22] <IT_Sean> /. is ebil. YOur best place to get release info is the raspi website
[22:22] <mkopack> Agreed??? Just saying, we all know the second those hordes see the post they'll slam the site
[22:23] * IT_Sean urinates into the ventilation slots of /.s servers
[22:23] <IT_Sean> There... problem slved.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> *solved
[22:23] <traeak> like the radiator scene in red dawn
[22:23] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> I think i've seen bits of that movie. Never bothered to watch the entire thing.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Latestnews @ the website is exciting!
[22:32] <Amelia`> indeed
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[22:37] <DaQatz> Yes we all agree on that
[22:37] <DaQatz> Updated the bot reflect it.
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> Is it out yet?
[22:37] <PiBot> IT_Sean: 1 day ,8 hours ,18 minutes ,and 46 seconds till announce.
[22:37] <DaQatz> Is the raspberrypi out?
[22:37] <IT_Sean> kiiiinky.
[22:37] <DaQatz> Is the raspberrypi out yet?
[22:37] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day ,8 hours ,18 minutes ,and 36 seconds till announce.
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[22:38] <DaQatz> After announce I should be able to set a "release" count down.
[22:39] <mkopack> Actually, the way the twitter posts from Eben have been, it sounds like that date/time is the ORDER date/time.. not the "when we'll announce the time you can order"
[22:39] <curahack> Error establishing a database connection - Wow, wtf happened ?!
[22:39] <mkopack> curahack: site is spammed
[22:39] <IT_Sean> yeah, i'm w/ mkopack on that one
[22:39] <mkopack> just retry
[22:40] <curahack> mkopack, how is it spammed?
[22:40] <curahack> real spam, or overloaded?
[22:40] <mkopack> too many people hitting the site which is overloading the database
[22:40] <IT_Sean> spam inna can
[22:40] <curahack> that's not spam
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[22:40] <mkopack> you know what I mean.
[22:40] <curahack> overload != spam
[22:40] <sifi|work> See you guys Tuesday.
[22:40] <curahack> lol
[22:41] <curahack> bye bye'
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[22:42] <curahack> have you guys checked out https://www.RPi-Developers.com yet?
[22:42] <DDave> yea
[22:42] <IT_Sean> arsing hell. I'll be in a meeting when they go on sale, based on that news. :|
[22:42] <DDave> make Recently Registered Projects and Recently Registered Projects
[22:42] <DDave> end at the same length..
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[22:43] <DaQatz> Had to reset PiBot's clock to an ntp server.
[22:43] <DaQatz> Had a lot fo drift again
[22:43] <DaQatz> Is it out yet?
[22:43] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day ,8 hours ,16 minutes ,and 46 seconds till announce.
[22:44] <curahack> DDave, what do you mean?
[22:44] <DDave> the boxes
[22:44] <DDave> theres not aligned
[22:44] <DDave> they arent*
[22:45] <steve_rox> no updates yet i asssume?
[22:45] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:46] <Tomtiger11> Pibot about
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[22:46] <LiENUS> steve_rox, updates as far as what?
[22:46] <Tomtiger11> PiBot
[22:46] <Tomtiger11> Nice name lol
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[22:47] <curahack> DDave I don't know what you mean, it looks fine from here, check: http://i.imgur.com/vqj3Q.png
[22:47] <DDave> exactly
[22:47] <DDave> look at the right bottom corner
[22:47] <DDave> see "all newest projects"
[22:47] <DDave> then the pink ends
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[22:47] <DDave> why doesnt it end... lets say 50pixels lower?
[22:47] <DDave> to match the box on the left :)
[22:47] <curahack> ah, ok
[22:48] <curahack> yeah, I could mod that, the thing is it's all dynamic, thus if I modify the text on the homepage the alignment will change again
[22:48] <DDave> I know :) was just sayin.
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[22:50] * IT_Sean kicks the raspi forum database in its dangly parts
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[22:52] <zgreg> does this guy come here more often?
[22:53] <IT_Sean> what guy?
[22:53] <ReggieUK> which guy?
[22:53] <piofcube> who?
[22:53] <ReggieUK> whyfor?
[22:54] <zgreg> that LiENUS guy
[22:54] <IT_Sean> i've seen him 'ere before
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[22:55] <mkopack> Sean: Yeah, DB seems to be struggling right now
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[22:55] * IT_Sean kicks the raspi forum database in its dangly parts for a second time
[22:55] <zgreg> IT_Sean: f5 f5 f5 f5
[22:55] <zgreg> putting more load on the database always helps
[22:55] <zgreg> everyone knows that
[22:55] <IT_Sean> zgreg: that IS the 'kick the dangly bits' button, right?
[22:56] <piofcube> They must have said something that might have attracted a couple more people than usual... Dunno... just guessing there
[22:56] <IT_Sean> erf... why is it only Monday?
[22:56] * DaQatz comforts IT_Sean.
[22:56] <Thorn_> feel lucky you can afford one when they come out :)
[22:57] <Thorn_> some of us are struck less fortunate
[22:57] <DaQatz> Do not have a spare $35?
[22:57] <IT_Sean> TBH, i'm probably not going to order one from the 1st batch.
[22:57] <DaQatz> ?
[22:57] <Thorn_> not a spare penny
[22:57] <DaQatz> Oy Thorn_
[22:58] <IT_Sean> I'll let the impatient, ealry adopters, have their fun, and grab one from the 2nd or 3rd batch.
[22:58] <IT_Sean> *early
[22:58] <ReggieUK> or buy one from a newb that can't get facebook on it
[22:58] <Thorn_> it's 'live off bean cans and council water' time of the year :D
[22:58] <IT_Sean> HAHA!
[22:58] <IT_Sean> yeah
[22:58] <DaQatz> Well they are cheap, I'm willing to risk early adoption on this one.
[22:58] <DaQatz> I wasn't say on the beagleboard.
[22:59] <piofcube> Can't get facebook on the pi? I knew there was something I liked about the little device :-)
[22:59] <ReggieUK> the beagleboard, oft quoted alternative to a pi
[22:59] <IT_Sean> It's not so much a 'risk' thing, it's a 'i'll be ordering a new laptop soon and the fun fund is getting used on that' thing
[23:00] <DaQatz> Beagleboard is nice, I don't see how it could be a pi alternative.
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[23:01] <zgreg> the beaglebone might be an alternative for some
[23:01] <IT_Sean> raspi > beagleboner
[23:01] <zgreg> it's (relatively) cheap and still quite capable
[23:02] <zgreg> the only problem with it is the lack of connectors
[23:02] <IT_Sean> it's pretty aspensive compared to the raspi, IMO.
[23:02] <IT_Sean> isn't it nearly $100?
[23:02] <zgreg> 90 USD, I think
[23:02] <IT_Sean> $90. Okay.
[23:02] <IT_Sean> That's still pretty aspensive, compared to a raspi
[23:03] <DaQatz> pi's price to function is pretty damn good.
[23:03] <IT_Sean> my point exactly.
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[23:03] <Tomtiger11> I would laugh if the announcement was an announcement for an announcement in 3 weeks time :P
[23:03] <ReggieUK> I was being sarcastic when I mentioned it
[23:04] <IT_Sean> I would be ... .... irked.
[23:04] <ReggieUK> should I turn the sarcasm beacon on?
[23:04] <DaQatz> OI
[23:04] <IT_Sean> Please do, ReggieUK
[23:04] * ReggieUK turns on the sarcasm beacon
[23:04] <ReggieUK> there, happy now?
[23:04] <IT_Sean> Yes
[23:04] <DaQatz> What happend...
[23:04] <DaQatz> I can see you anymore ReggieUK
[23:04] <IT_Sean> oooooooooooohhh... puuuuurdy liiiightsss :p
[23:04] <DaQatz> can't*
[23:04] <ReggieUK> obviously it's not working I was being sarcastic when I pretended to care whether you were happy
[23:05] <ReggieUK> ;)
[23:05] * IT_Sean turns off the sarcasm beacon
[23:05] * ReggieUK says sorry
[23:05] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk
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[23:07] <Kyzz> what was the recent announcment? the reddit post won't load for me and neither will the RPi website
[23:08] <Thorn_> the recent announcement was announcing there will be an announcement soon
[23:08] <DaQatz> Is it out yet?
[23:08] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day ,7 hours ,52 minutes ,and 18 seconds till announce.
[23:08] <DaQatz> That ticker relates to it.
[23:08] <IT_Sean> THis just in: Sh*ts gonna happen
[23:09] <Kyzz> Announce of what? The actual release or what
[23:09] <IT_Sean> Could be.
[23:09] <DaQatz> They did not say "what"
[23:09] <IT_Sean> That's what the general opinion is.
[23:09] <DaQatz> Just "that"
[23:09] <ReggieUK> gas
[23:09] * DaQatz peers at ReggieUK.
[23:09] <DaQatz> You forget the p at the end there?
[23:09] <Thorn_> vespene?
[23:09] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:10] <IT_Sean> breathedeep
[23:10] <ReggieUK> that's the announcment of what's about to be released
[23:10] <ReggieUK> gas
[23:10] * DaQatz peers at ReggieUK.
[23:10] <IT_Sean> feeeert
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[23:12] <Davespice> I know this is probably wishfull thinking, but it did occur to me that the 'positive' nature of the announcement - may be more thank just starting sales, maybe it's they're starting sales - but have 50,000 boards or something? :)
[23:12] <DaQatz> That woudl be nice.
[23:12] <DaQatz> But unlikely.
[23:12] * Davespice shrugs
[23:12] <Henchman21> who broke the website
[23:12] <Davespice> they would have had plenty of time to sort it out though? :)
[23:12] <DaQatz> Davespice did.
[23:13] <Davespice> I'm not even on there! <shrug>
[23:13] * Davespice does his best innocent look
[23:13] <IT_Sean> come on Davespice
[23:13] <IT_Sean> we ALL KNOW it was you
[23:13] <Davespice> not me guv =)
[23:13] * IT_Sean checks the server logs and finds the following line: "Error 22878412: Davespice Error"
[23:13] <ReggieUK> bastards
[23:13] <ReggieUK> 6am
[23:13] <ReggieUK> fuckers
[23:13] <Davespice> haha
[23:14] <ReggieUK> scuse my language
[23:14] <Davespice> why is that bad Reggie?
[23:14] <ReggieUK> not much chance I'll be awake then
[23:14] <mkopack> Well, with Eben and Liz posting things to twitter and the forums like "You'll be kicking yourself in the a** if you don't go to the site at that time" ou gotta figure it's not just another announcement at that time.
[23:14] <DaQatz> I will be awake for it.
[23:14] <IT_Sean> shame you wonn't be getting a low S/N then. :/
[23:14] <DaQatz> One way, or another.
[23:15] <Davespice> you can use an alarm though can't you?
[23:15] <ReggieUK> I'd have to go to bed like 15minutes ago to be in for a chance of being up at 6am
[23:15] <Davespice> My phone looks like this right now> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14125489/IMG_0129.PNG
[23:15] <ReggieUK> it'd have to be an alarm wired to the mains
[23:15] <ReggieUK> and my temple
[23:15] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[23:15] <IT_Sean> FZZZZZZZZT!
[23:15] <ReggieUK> I got up at 1.30pm today
[23:16] <azalyn> there's still a typo in the topic.
[23:16] <azalyn> 'speadsheet' ...
[23:16] <Davespice> Pro plus Reggie
[23:16] <Davespice> or PEP? =)
[23:16] <ReggieUK> god no
[23:16] <ReggieUK> not even sure my stomach would cope with pro plus
[23:17] <Doxsee> ok so at 0600 UCT should i be on raspberrypi.com or raspberrypi.com?
[23:17] <Davespice> ahh okay, can you get someone to be there on your behalf then?
[23:17] <Doxsee> org rather
[23:17] <Davespice> I think I'd have both open
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[23:18] <Davespice> It's going to be 'Database error' F5 'Database error' F5 'Database error' F5 'Database error' F5 ..... ARRRHH!
[23:18] <DaQatz> Site works fine for me.
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[23:19] <Amelia`> back up here
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[23:21] <mkopack> hehe, probably. Liz did say she's going to shut the whole site down other than the static page (and assuming they're on sale that day, the order portion of the site) to handle the deluge
[23:22] <traeak> as she should
[23:25] <DooMMasteR> Castlevania live: http://de.twitch.tv/q00p88 OLDSCHOOL :P
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[23:26] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[23:26] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 day ,7 hours ,34 minutes ,and 16 seconds till announce.
[23:27] <WASDx> excellent work PiBot
[23:27] <br0kenpipe> will there be any other merchandise available on wednesday?
[23:27] <WASDx> don't think so
[23:27] <WASDx> they've say cases will be availiable later
[23:27] <aditsu> I wonder how much the shipping will be
[23:28] <WASDx> the mail company they use got a shipping calculator i've heard
[23:29] <aditsu> they should group by country/region and get some volume discount
[23:29] <Davespice> oh cool, you've got Pi bot doing the countdown, nice :)
[23:29] <Kushan> http://imgur.com/MCEag
[23:29] <Kushan> just posted on twitter
[23:30] <WASDx> Kushan: i was that 2 days ago actually
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[23:30] <aditsu> haha, funny faces
[23:30] <mkopack> Nice??? Obviously the final board is the one on the left.
[23:30] <WASDx> which is when it was uploaded :)
[23:31] <aditsu> the one in the middle looks a bit like a John Cleese with less hair
[23:31] <Kushan> yeah WASDx but it was only just posted on twitter - http://imgur.com/MCEag
[23:31] <Kushan> 10:22 PM - 27 Feb 12
[23:31] <WASDx> okay :)
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[23:33] <Kushan> =D
[23:34] <Davespice> I'm trying to make sense of what is on their whiteboard...
[23:34] <Davespice> *scratch*
[23:35] <traeak> i still say they should have shipped the one on the right...esp if it could have been availble Q3 2011
[23:36] <traeak> ah well
[23:36] <traeak> coulda shoulda woulda
[23:36] <Davespice> does that one use micro sd? or usb media?
[23:36] <traeak> standard sd
[23:36] <rk[imposter]> is it out yet
[23:36] <PiBot> rk[imposter]: 1 day ,7 hours ,23 minutes ,and 57 seconds till announce.
[23:36] <Davespice> oh as well, cool
[23:36] <rk[imposter]> ^:) very nice.
[23:37] <traeak> nah, could have been micro, can't see very well
[23:37] <traeak> the old one i mean
[23:37] <traeak> ugh i hvae to go to ottawa :(
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[23:39] <koaschten> is it out yet?
[23:39] <PiBot> koaschten: 1 day ,7 hours ,20 minutes ,and 51 seconds till announce.
[23:39] <koaschten> \o/
[23:39] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:40] <victhor> :)
[23:41] <aditsu> they should put that pic in the dictionary / encyclopedia
[23:41] <aditsu> for the word "boffin" :)
[23:41] <traeak> yet
[23:41] <traeak> yet ?
[23:42] <traeak> hmph
[23:42] <koaschten> *pins http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=29&month=2&year=2012&hour=6&min=0&sec=0&p0=136
[23:42] <DaQatz> I never realized how many people actually use PiBot's "Is it out yet" feature.
[23:42] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day ,7 hours ,18 minutes ,and 27 seconds till announce.
[23:42] <IT_Sean> ...
[23:42] <traeak> 1d7h18m27s
[23:42] <traeak> you should encode it :-p
[23:43] <traeak> 01071827
[23:43] <traeak> heh
[23:43] <aditsu> looks like it can find "is it out yet" in the middle of a sentence
[23:43] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 day ,7 hours ,17 minutes ,and 20 seconds till announce.
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[23:43] <DaQatz> Yes it can.
[23:43] <aditsu> the spaces should be after the commas..
[23:44] <DaQatz> Doh, sorry that's from me coding all day. The form for my funcs is " ,"
[23:45] <traeak> back to keyboard discussion last week :-p
[23:45] <traeak> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-2XJ-00001-Bluetooth-Keyboard-6000/dp/B004HVW0ZQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1330382658&sr=8-2
[23:45] <traeak> DaQatz: you're coding wrong :-p
[23:46] <aditsu> test: his it out yeti
[23:46] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 day ,7 hours ,14 minutes ,and 26 seconds till announce.
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[23:46] <aditsu> *muttley giggle*
[23:46] <DaQatz> traeak, That's just the style I tedn to use in C and C++
[23:47] <traeak> DaQatz: figured so..you'd probably freak at our style
[23:47] <aditsu> that's bad style :p
[23:47] <DaQatz> The , begins the next option. I find it mroe readable.
[23:48] <traeak> actually some people say our style guide looks sort of like haskell...we didn't do that intentionally
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[23:48] <DaQatz> I also tend to prefer "int func( void )" to "int func (void)"
[23:48] <DaQatz> Again I find it easier to read later.
[23:49] <aditsu> this it out yetz
[23:49] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds till announce.
[23:49] <aditsu> looks better
[23:49] <Aquilus_> Nice timing. That's *exactly* when I have to get up that day.
[23:49] <traeak> DaQatz: you should have PiBot PM that back
[23:49] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:49] <DaQatz> Yeah " ," is not grammatically correct english.
[23:49] <Amelia`> What's the criteria for making PiBot announce the time remaining?
[23:50] <traeak> i have to stay up late then
[23:50] <DooMMasteR> Megaman live: http://de.twitch.tv/q00p88 OLDSCHOOL :P
[23:50] <traeak> programming languages aren't english, they have their own grammars :-p
[23:50] <traeak> they happen to use some english words but that's about it
[23:50] <DaQatz> Well yeah
[23:50] <DaQatz> But his announce string is english.
[23:50] <aditsu> Amelia`: just write "is it out yet"
[23:50] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 40 seconds till announce.
[23:51] <petschge> you might want to loose the comma in front of the "and" too
[23:51] <IT_Sean> In the inerests of code efficency, you could also just have it say "No" until the actual release time :p
[23:52] * Amelia` chuckles
[23:52] <Amelia`> that'd work, IT_Sean :D
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[23:52] <DaQatz> I've been half tempted to make t give a later date then the real one.
[23:52] <IT_Sean> I totally would.
[23:53] <IT_Sean> Add half a day. Keep noobs on their toes. :p
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[23:53] <DaQatz> I need to fix PiBot's module reloading support.
[23:54] <IT_Sean> clearly.
[23:54] <IT_Sean> whad you just do to him?
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[23:54] <DaQatz> Just fixed the grammar
[23:54] <IT_Sean> shh
[23:54] <IT_Sean> *ahh
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