#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-02-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:01] <ReggieUK> is
[0:01] <ReggieUK> it
[0:01] <ReggieUK> out
[0:01] <ReggieUK> yet
[0:01] <ReggieUK> pibot fail
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[0:04] <Amelia`> is it oot yit?
[0:04] <IT_Sean> nein
[0:05] <Amelia`> Och, schade :(
[0:05] <Amelia`> Mein liebschen! Piiiii! <3
[0:05] <aditsu> ???????? ??no ???? s??
[0:05] <IT_Sean> heh :p
[0:05] <IT_Sean> Sorry... 's not out yet.
[0:05] <Amelia`> 0110100101110011001000000110100101110100001000000110111101110101011101000010000001111001011001010111010000111111
[0:05] <IT_Sean> .... ?
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[0:06] <Lord_DeathMatch> out at 10PM AWST :D
[0:06] * LiENUS (~yes@2001:470:bbb3:12:14d2:45f9:b7b0:e6c5) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[0:07] <aditsu> .. ... / .. - / --- ..- - / -.-- . - ..--..
[0:07] <IT_Sean> aaallllllllllllllllllllllright
[0:07] <urs> 0000000: 6973 2069 7420 6f75 7420 7965 743f 0a
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[0:10] <IT_Sean> So... where shall i go for dinner?
[0:10] <aditsu> out
[0:10] * Maccer (~Maccer@ Quit (Excess Flood)
[0:10] <IT_Sean> well... yes. I was trying to work out something a bit more specific than that
[0:11] <IT_Sean> The real question is do i want to walk across the street for okay pizza, or do i want to drive down the street looking for something else?
[0:11] <aditsu> then it should be out somewhere (yet?)
[0:11] <Ruairi> IT_Sean: Have something healthy
[0:11] <Toneloc> whats wrong with the microwave?
[0:11] <Toneloc> :P
[0:11] <IT_Sean> I'm in a hotel.
[0:11] <IT_Sean> No microwave, no kitchen.
[0:11] <Toneloc> Im sure they own one too :P
[0:11] <IT_Sean> I haven't even ot a fridge.
[0:11] <Toneloc> ^^
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[0:12] <Toneloc> I say go for a liquid lunch...
[0:12] <Amelia`> aditsu: -.-. --.- / -.. -..-
[0:12] <IT_Sean> you lot are of no help whatsoever.
[0:13] <aditsu> pizza sounds good
[0:13] <Toneloc> if you are feeling flush- drive around and find somewhere nice, if you are just feeling hungry and want to save some money- just go for the pizza
[0:13] <aditsu> or if you're really lazy, room service
[0:13] <smw> is it out yet?
[0:13] <PiBot> smw: 1 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes and 4 seconds till announce.
[0:13] <IT_Sean> I think i'll just got for the pizza
[0:13] <IT_Sean> It's cheap, is right across the street from the hotel, and i'm feelin lazy
[0:13] <IT_Sean> :p
[0:13] * saua (~saua@193.81-167-3.customer.lyse.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:14] <smw> "till announce". Not until it is actually out?
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[0:14] <IT_Sean> smw: we dunno
[0:14] <aditsu> Amelia`: CQ DX? what?
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[0:16] <smw> sweet, it is at a decent time for me to be on :-D
[0:17] * steve_rox (~steve@82-69-127-162.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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[0:19] <mdavey> Hi all
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[0:19] <mdavey> PiBot: is it out yet?
[0:19] <PiBot> mdavey: 1 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes and 45 seconds till announce.
[0:20] <mdavey> :D
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[0:23] <aditsu> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/181/813/1726009-shut_up_and_take_my_money_super.jpg
[0:26] <smw> 10PM PST.
[0:26] <smw> Oh no! That is tomorrow. I have school until 9:30 :-\
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[0:31] <mod_eerf> Anyone know how may Raspberry Pi's will be released initially?
[0:32] <danieldaniel> mod_eerf: 10000 i think
[0:32] <danieldaniel> how does pivot know?
[0:32] <danieldaniel> pibot*
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[0:33] <mod_eerf> I read the 10k number somewhere as well.
[0:33] <haltdef> see faq
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[0:37] <danieldaniel> oh shit
[0:37] <danieldaniel> Wow
[0:37] * Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-58-167-45-165.lns2.lon.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[0:39] <traeak> 9.6k
[0:39] <traeak> nokia/qt grabbed 400
[0:40] * spark9 (~Adium@ Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[0:40] <traeak> http://talentedapps.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/xyz123abc.jpg
[0:41] <traeak> someone needs to grab the original and change the caption
[0:41] <danieldaniel> wait
[0:41] <danieldaniel> is 1 AM EST 0600 GMT?
[0:41] <traeak> :-p
[0:42] <Simon-> danieldaniel: it's... 2am
[0:42] <Simon-> ;)
[0:42] <danieldaniel> oh fffff
[0:42] <Simon-> ;)
[0:42] <danieldaniel> thats even worse
[0:42] <Simon-> (you were right the first time)
[0:43] <Amelia`> It's the soup nazi! <3
[0:43] <mod_eerf> it's 1am with standard time
[0:43] * DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Quit: .)
[0:43] <aditsu> make it 1:30, don't take my precioussssss!
[0:43] <danieldaniel> im confused
[0:43] <danieldaniel> is it 1 or 2?
[0:43] <Doxsee> its 1
[0:44] <danieldaniel> Doxsee: thanks
[0:44] <Doxsee> play it safe
[0:44] <danieldaniel> Simon-: >.>
[0:44] <mod_eerf> 1am
[0:45] <Doxsee> same time woot shows their new product
[0:45] <Doxsee> easy to remember-same type of buying furver
[0:46] <danieldaniel> Wait
[0:46] <danieldaniel> is it tonight or tomorrow?
[0:46] <danieldaniel> im confuseddddd
[0:46] <traeak> http://pushbroom.org/NoPiForYou.jpg
[0:46] <Doxsee> dude wednesday its on the main site
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> Anyone that doesn't want to stay up - just PM me their CC numbers, authorisation code, nad inside-leg measurement.
[0:46] <Doxsee> LOL
[0:46] <danieldaniel> lma
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[0:46] <danieldaniel> lmao*
[0:46] <mod_eerf> thx SpeedEvil. That's mighty kind of you.
[0:47] <Simon-> danieldaniel: there are 29 days in February
[0:47] <danieldaniel> Simon-: um.. i know
[0:47] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: oh I would give you but I don't know the 3rd thing you asked :/
[0:48] <danieldaniel> *makes a virtual card*
[0:48] <Simon-> danieldaniel: tomorrow night
[0:48] <danieldaniel> Simon-: you trollin' or now?
[0:48] <danieldaniel> not*
[0:48] <Simon-> well 1am is still on the 29th :p
[0:48] <aditsu> leap year saves the "end of this month" announcement :p
[0:48] <danieldaniel> oh wow
[0:48] <danieldaniel> im stupid
[0:49] <danieldaniel> I thought today was saturday for some reason
[0:49] <danieldaniel> LAWL
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[0:52] <aditsu> oh, it is, please take a break for 4 days
[0:52] <aditsu> (the precioussss, it is miiiiine!)
[0:53] <Amelia`> is it out yet?
[0:53] <PiBot> Amelia`: 1 days, 6 hours, 7 minutes and 15 seconds till announce.
[0:53] <Amelia`> *sigh*
[0:53] <steve_rox> hmm
[0:54] <steve_rox> its a pisser when a network file transfer rapes cpu useage
[0:56] <mod_eerf> if you're using linux you can renice that pid and lower it's priority
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[0:58] <ewan> steve_rox: no DMA?
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[0:59] <Syliss> so store might open wednesday?
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[1:00] <mod_eerf> 0600 GMT...which means late night Tuesday for my location
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[1:02] <Syliss> mod_eerf: where u at, I'm in cali
[1:03] <mod_eerf> I'm in Philly.
[1:03] <Tomtiger11> 0600 GMT means 0600 for me :P
[1:03] <Syliss> Tomtiger11: u in uk?
[1:03] <Tomtiger11> Yep
[1:03] <Syliss> nice, my wife wants to move there badly
[1:04] <Tomtiger11> Lol
[1:04] <Tomtiger11> It's quite warm where I am :)
[1:04] <ReggieUK> and here too
[1:05] <ReggieUK> compared to the north
[1:05] <Syliss> its snowing here
[1:05] <ReggieUK> but it's nothing like california during the summer
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[1:06] <Syliss> it gets way to hot here
[1:06] <Syliss> she hates it
[1:07] <Syliss> she is from so cal near the ocean where it normally doesn't get over 80. here in nor cal it gets to 100f
[1:07] <steve_rox> yeah its got dma
[1:07] <steve_rox> but when your using a old socket A it tends to rape it
[1:08] <mod_eerf> I used to live in Santa Barbara and other SoCal spots.. perfect weather
[1:08] <ewan> yay PST, I don't have to get up at 6 am
[1:08] <ewan> \o/
[1:08] <Syliss> ewan: should be 10pm for us
[1:08] <ewan> yup
[1:08] <Syliss> I'm setting a crap ton of alarms
[1:09] <Syliss> im so excited
[1:09] <mod_eerf> despite my excitment for Raspberry Pi, I'd likely wake up late if it were 6am for me... I just don't do early morning.
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[1:10] <DaQatz> !ticker
[1:11] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes and 39 seconds till announce.
[1:11] <DaQatz> Now also works
[1:11] <Syliss> thats nice
[1:12] <Syliss> going to have my cc #'s ready to copy and paste tomorrow
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[1:12] <DaQatz> You're not alone there.
[1:12] <DaQatz> Just in case it's more then a release date.
[1:12] <Syliss> much easier then trying to type them in at that time
[1:13] <mdavey> Over 100k email addresses on the R.Pi mailing list. Wow.
[1:13] <DaQatz> Yep
[1:13] <ceng> !ticker
[1:13] <PiBot> ceng: 1 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 44 seconds till announce.
[1:14] <ceng> ARE WE THERE YET!?!?!
[1:14] <ceng> !ticker
[1:14] <PiBot> ceng: 1 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 29 seconds till announce.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> !ticker
[1:14] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: 1 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 21 seconds till announce.
[1:14] <Tomtiger11> !help
[1:14] <ReggieUK> !die
[1:14] <Tomtiger11> Lol
[1:14] <DaQatz> No help for ticker is written
[1:14] <Tomtiger11> !ticker
[1:14] <PiBot> Tomtiger11: 1 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes and 46 seconds till announce.
[1:14] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[1:14] <PiBot> aditsu: 1 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes and 42 seconds till announce.
[1:15] <Tomtiger11> Lol
[1:15] * rely_train is now known as rely_VrOrrrROOOm
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[1:17] <Amelia`> is it out yet?
[1:17] <PiBot> Amelia`: 1 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes and 35 seconds till announce.
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[1:17] <Amelia`> !ticker
[1:17] <PiBot> Amelia`: 1 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes and 30 seconds till announce.
[1:17] <ewan> lawl
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[1:17] <Amelia`> !pi
[1:17] <Amelia`> darn, here's me thinking I'd get one :P foiled!
[1:18] <imsky> GIVE ME PIE
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> ihh
[1:19] <Amelia`> :D
[1:21] <aditsu> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/pie/
[1:21] <aditsu> somebody should s/pie/pi/g in it
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[1:27] <danieldaniel> aditsu: o.0
[1:29] <imsky> aditsu: oh bless you
[1:29] <imsky> i was thinking weebl when i wrote that
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[1:30] <aditsu> :)
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[1:31] <aditsu> mmmm!
[1:32] <imsky> lol
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[1:51] <DaQatz> Lo sraue how's xbmc for pi coming along?
[1:52] <sraue> DaQatz, http://openelec.tv/news/item/235-openelec-on-raspberry-pi-our-first-arm-device-supported <--- answeres your question? :-)
[1:53] <DaQatz> =)
[1:55] <Amelia`> is it here?
[1:55] <Amelia`> is it out yet?
[1:55] <PiBot> Amelia`: 1 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes and 10 seconds till announce.
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[1:59] <aditsu> want pi now!
[1:59] <imsky> lo bob
[1:59] <ReggieUK> it's no pony time so FO
[2:00] <Amelia`> aditsu: patience!
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[2:00] <traeak> http://store.cstick.com/
[2:00] <traeak> ouchy
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[2:05] <mrdragons> hmm, I wonder if there were any vulnerabilities introduced into the kernel as a result of the pi-specific patches...
[2:17] * rely_VrOrrrROOOm is now known as rely
[2:22] <Syliss> i would get the cotton candy, but $200 is too much
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[2:28] <aditsu> I wouldn't buy it for $100
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[2:35] <curahack> Wednesday is D-Day http://i.imgur.com/BUNzp.png
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[2:43] <Syliss> me too aditsu
[2:43] <Syliss> $75 or less
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[2:48] <traeak> http://imgur.com/vVkPb
[2:48] <traeak> that's better
[2:49] <curahack> :P
[2:49] <Syliss> :`(
[2:50] <curahack> have you guys seen https://rpi-developers.com ?
[2:50] <traeak> heh
[2:50] <traeak> can't contribute anything to it though
[2:51] <curahack> doesn't have to, just so you know where to (hopefully soon) find nice RPi projects/files etc. ;)
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[2:52] <Syliss> lol curahack. i need to start making more sites. I've been lazy with my broken leg
[2:52] <curahack> what do you mean ?
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[3:20] <Syliss> about ur site, u keep pimping it
[3:22] <curahack> yeah, I'll add another mirror next week, I'm thinking Dallas, TX
[3:22] <curahack> I only have 1 mirror in the US, and it has very limited recources
[3:29] <Syliss> i could make my site a mirror since i have 6000GB of bandwidth atm
[3:31] <curahack> wow
[3:31] <curahack> what's the location?
[3:33] <ReggieUK> anyone watching the occupy london eviction?
[3:33] <curahack> NO YOU SERIOUS?! LINK !!!
[3:34] <ReggieUK> bbc news channel
[3:34] <ReggieUK> google fu - engage
[3:35] <ReggieUK> it's pretty pathetic
[3:35] <ReggieUK> pretty much like their campaign
[3:35] <ReggieUK> about as much impact as a mouses fart
[3:36] <Syliss> curahack: its based in tx i think. I've had the account for 3 years and it was supposed to drop the bandwidth because i paid less but it hasn't yet.
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[3:37] <Henchman21> ew big announcement wed
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[3:37] <Henchman21> wonder if they'll announce how the pirates hijacked the boat shipping them
[3:37] <curahack> Syliss, what OS is currently running on it? And can run a VPS on that machine?
[3:46] <curahack> Syliss, please contact me on MSN (curahack@live.com) skype (curahacker) or IRC on #coredump
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[4:22] <DaQatz> !ticker
[4:22] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes and 45 seconds till announce.
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[4:23] <curahack> nice :P
[4:27] <hotwings> <PiBot> 1 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes and 45 seconds til nerds ejaculate over the ability to preorder.
[4:27] <curahack> *geeks
[4:29] <hotwings> 1 day doesnt have an s on the end as its not plural.. and theres only one l in til. till means something completely different.
[4:29] <DaQatz> Wait 2 hours and it will say "0 days"
[4:29] <DaQatz> You can complain more then
[4:30] * hotwings wonders why mistakes like that are there in the first place
[4:30] <DaQatz> Because only one line was written.
[4:30] <Syliss> lol
[4:31] <DaQatz> instead of a series of if statements.
[4:31] <hotwings> you dont need a series of if statements
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[4:41] <Foxhoundz> Raspberries!
[4:41] <Foxhoundz> Hello!
[4:41] <DaQatz> They are a weed
[4:41] <DaQatz> That scratch you up aweful.
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[5:00] <DaQatz> So quiet compared to earlier.
[5:01] <curahack> hardcore fans are doing their pre-RPi-release sleep in order to press F5 even faster Wednesday
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[5:03] <DaQatz> I will sleep when it's done.
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[5:04] <curahack> I'm telling those people, if the site already overloaded today (while there was nothing happening) how will they keep the server alive on D-Day?
[5:05] <merlin1991> D-Day is going to be a 24 takedown caused by a non malicious ddos :D
[5:05] <Dagger3> by shutting down wordpress
[5:06] <Dagger3> not that it matters, since the shop is a different site hosted by somebody else
[5:06] <merlin1991> also, a first step would be to take that remote shell off the page
[5:07] <spark9> yah hopefully BigCommerce doesn't end up in BigFail
[5:07] <DaQatz> Tell everyone the pi's are bought at .org then.
[5:07] <DaQatz> They will be busy waiting for that to come back up.
[5:07] <spark9> lol
[5:07] <DaQatz> Meanwhile we grab the pi's from .com
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[5:12] <curahack> then where will the announcement be made? on the .org site, twitter, or the mailinglist?
[5:12] <DaQatz> Yes
[5:12] <curahack> I don't believe the announcement will be made on the shop's site
[5:13] <DaQatz> The post says to check .org
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[5:13] <curahack> and yes, the shop is hosted on another server, also runs ngnix, thus could handle far more requests
[5:13] <DaQatz> And they have said on twitter it will go to the mailing list
[5:13] <curahack> confusing
[5:13] <DaQatz> And of course they will tweet it.
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[5:20] <DaQatz> How's the weather in Georgia?
[5:20] <curahack> !w georgia
[5:20] <PiBot> Not found.
[5:20] <mkopack> Fine. Nice
[5:21] <hotwings> !w atlanta
[5:21] <mkopack> !w Duluth, Georgia
[5:21] <PiBot> hotwings: in Atlanta, GA on Tue Feb 28 02:53:00 2012. Temp 53??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 80%, Later 66??F - 50??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[5:21] <PiBot> mkopack: in Duluth, GA on Tue Feb 28 02:53:00 2012. Temp 52??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 80%, Later 68??F - 45??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[5:21] <hotwings> !w 90210
[5:21] <PiBot> hotwings: in Beverly Hills, CA on Tue Feb 28 03:51:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 63%, Later 69??F - 43??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[5:21] <curahack> !w Curacao :)
[5:21] <mkopack> What a CRAZY Daytona 500!
[5:21] <PiBot> curahack: in Curacao :) on Tue Feb 28 03:00:00 2012. Temp 79??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 65%, Later 86??F - 77??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[5:21] <curahack> chance of storm??? c'on
[5:22] <curahack> thats some bullcrap
[5:22] <mkopack> !w Daytona, Florida
[5:22] <PiBot> mkopack: in Daytona Beach, FL on Tue Feb 28 03:53:00 2012. Temp 68??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 78??F - 57??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[5:22] <curahack> it will be just another day of sunshine
[5:22] <curahack> mkopack, you live in florida?
[5:23] <mkopack> No, Atlanta, GA, but watching the Daytona500
[5:23] <curahack> ah, k
[5:23] <mkopack> Frickin CRAZY stuff happening in the race
[5:23] <curahack> I've never even heard abt it
[5:23] <DaQatz> Like fast cars driving around?
[5:23] <DaQatz> !ticker
[5:23] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes and 53 seconds till announce.
[5:24] <curahack> !echo "I'm out!"
[5:24] <mkopack> During caution with 40 laps to go, one driver pits complaining of a vibration??? Crew checks the car, sends the car back out, car is zipping down the back stretch to catch up to the field (again, under caution???) Approaching turn 3, there's some safety trucks up there cleaning up the track???
[5:25] <PiBot> I am not so easy to compromise.
[5:25] <mkopack> something int he race car breaks, locks up all 4 wheels, and puts the car into a skid directly towards one of the safety cars that's towing a jet dryer (basically a helocopter jet engine used to blow stuff off the track)???
[5:26] <mkopack> Car is destroyed, jet drier bursts into flames as the 200 gallons of jet fuel ignites...
[5:26] <mkopack> Race has been in red flag for nearly 2 hours as they clean up and repair the track...
[5:27] <mkopack> Craziest thing I've ever seen in a race
[5:28] <DaQatz> That kinda reminds me of when my brother was building some miniature jet engines.
[5:28] <DaQatz> Those started some fires.
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[5:31] <Foxhoundz> So...
[5:31] <Foxhoundz> What are you guys planning to do with your slice of the Pi.
[5:32] <DaQatz> Conquer a small 3rd world country.
[5:32] <jmontleon> build a house
[5:32] <jmontleon> paint a self portrait
[5:32] <DaQatz> I don't know.... maybe France?
[5:32] <Foxhoundz> Well
[5:32] <Foxhoundz> I have almost nil experience with Linux
[5:33] <Foxhoundz> I want to make it a headless server to interface with it via SSH on Windows (putty)
[5:33] <Foxhoundz> Well...not nil
[5:33] <Foxhoundz> but not enough
[5:33] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, I was wondering if it's possible to use the Pi as a router for my network
[5:33] <jmontleon> set up a vm; start practicing; you still have time ;)
[5:34] <mkopack> Fox: How's that? Only have the 1 NIc.. and it's only a 10/100??? I'd HOPE you have gigabit at home
[5:34] <Foxhoundz> No I do not.
[5:34] <tashbear> will the rca out works in a regular tv with a video in?
[5:35] <Foxhoundz> But I could attach a wireless adapter, couldn't I?
[5:35] <Foxhoundz> that would server as a second NIC
[5:35] <Foxhoundz> serve*
[5:35] <jmontleon> or even a usb ethernet; yes
[5:35] <mkopack> tash: YEs,??? it's standard composite out???
[5:35] <mkopack> yes you can...
[5:36] <tashbear> mkopack: and what resolution?
[5:36] <mkopack> whatever standard NTSC or PAL (depends where you are) res is...
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[5:36] <mkopack> IIRC NTSC is 640x480 interlaced
[5:37] <tashbear> ohh mkopack I am talking about this http://images02.olx.com.br/ui/4/66/98/71925898_1-Imagens-de-TV-LG-CINEMASTER-20-COM-CONTROLE-REMOTO.jpg
[5:38] <mkopack> YEah??? so? That's standard Composite???
[5:38] <mkopack> If you're in the US, it's NTSC
[5:38] <tashbear> mkopack: thank you, I was concerned about my lackness of hdmi tv
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[5:39] <mkopack> tash: well, keep in mind, that's pretty low res. Not going to be stellar.
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[5:39] <tashbear> mkopack: yeah, that's true too =/
[5:40] <DaQatz> !ticker
[5:40] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day, 1 hour, 20 minutes and 24 seconds till announce.
[5:40] <jmontleon> it will get through the install to set it up as a headless server though
[5:40] <jmontleon> just need to get it on the network
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[5:42] <mkopack> Foxhoundz: I have to ask though - for the price of a Pi, plus a usb ethernet adaptor, you could buy a decent router and it'd just work out of the box??? Why bother with trying to make one?
[5:42] <Foxhoundz> mkopack: more options
[5:42] <Foxhoundz> and more control over my network
[5:42] <Foxhoundz> I guess
[5:43] <Foxhoundz> Plus it beats trying to flash DD-WRT on a conventional router
[5:43] <DaQatz> My router has a usb port, run linux, and is damn flexible.
[5:43] <DaQatz> And they can be had for abotu $0 bucks nor with ddwrt pre installed.
[5:43] <DaQatz> Mine runs openwrt
[5:43] <DaQatz> $40
[5:43] <DaQatz> no 0
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[5:44] <Foxhoundz> Interesting
[5:44] <DaQatz> http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Technology-AirStation-Wireless-WHR-HP-G300N/dp/B002WBV2T8
[5:45] <DaQatz> Wait
[5:45] <DaQatz> That's not the one I have
[5:45] <DaQatz> Mines the wzr not whr
[5:46] <Syliss> lol
[5:46] <DaQatz> Oh dang my version is like $60 still
[5:46] <DaQatz> My mistake
[5:46] <DaQatz> WHen i got it, it was around $120
[5:46] <Syliss> i won't buy a router without a usb port now
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[5:47] <Syliss> I've always had wrt-54g's and i need something with usb now
[5:47] <DaQatz> 64 megs ram
[5:47] <Syliss> nice
[5:48] <DaQatz> ssh'ed in looking brough up htop still isn't using much resources.
[5:48] <DaQatz> Even though it has a ton of stuff running
[5:48] <DaQatz> Like an irc daemon etc...
[5:49] <Syliss> cool
[5:49] <hotwings> 54g's are so easy to to flash
[5:49] <hotwings> i have one here too
[5:49] <Syliss> i wonder how long till the next batch of pi's
[5:49] <Syliss> i have 2, one gs 2.1 and a g v8
[5:49] <Syliss> the gs is older and way heavier
[5:49] <DaQatz> Wonder if I could boostrap gentoo on this thing over a usb harddrive.
[5:50] <Syliss> urs has a usb port?
[5:50] <DaQatz> Yes
[5:50] <hotwings> cant remember which mine is.. havent actually looked at it in years now
[5:50] <hotwings> i think its a 2.1 though
[5:50] <DaQatz> And gigbit wan/lan
[5:50] <DaQatz> 300n
[5:50] <Syliss> hotwings: look on the bottom
[5:50] <Syliss> what model DaQatz ?
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[5:50] <DaQatz> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028ACYEK
[5:51] <hotwings> Syliss - youre in luck that im not too lazy to go down to my office right now.. one sec
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[5:51] <DaQatz> Flashed it with openwrt twas awesome after that
[5:51] <Syliss> lol
[5:52] <Syliss> DaQatz: nice
[5:52] <jamesglanville> anyone know if my rt2500 usb wifi stick will work on my pi?
[5:52] <Syliss> no idea jamesglanville. does it work with linux?
[5:53] <jamesglanville> yeah works straight away plugged into my ubuntu box
[5:53] <Syliss> DaQatz: it works really well? i need something like that and I'm getting a bunch of free amazon gift cards
[5:53] <Syliss> jamesglanville: then most likely
[5:53] <jamesglanville> Syliss: cool, thanks
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[5:53] <DaQatz> Syliss, works great for me.
[5:53] <Syliss> if not you will have to recompile it to work in arm
[5:53] <Syliss> 65 is a good price
[5:53] <DaQatz> I use for routing, and as a low end headless server.
[5:54] <Syliss> nice
[5:54] <DaQatz> I had it mounting smb shares during christmas and playing music.
[5:54] <DaQatz> Via a usb sound card
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[5:55] <Syliss> okay, I'm so going to try and get that!
[5:55] <DaQatz> All people had to do was drop the music they wanted in a /music sub folder on their share.
[5:55] <Syliss> ill just need a usb hub
[5:55] <DaQatz> And it would play
[5:55] <DaQatz> USed cron to quiet the music at night
[5:55] <Syliss> fuck yeah
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[5:57] <DaQatz> Oddly, I found everytime I tried to add un-priv user to the router it would brick on reboot.
[5:57] <DaQatz> And would have to reflash.
[5:57] <DaQatz> So if you do openwrt backfire, don't add new users
[5:57] <Syliss> thats odd
[5:57] <DaQatz> No clue why
[5:57] <Syliss> how is it stock?
[5:57] <DaQatz> Well I havn't tried the new stock ddwrt
[5:58] <DaQatz> When I got it had proprietary
[5:58] <DaQatz> Which kinda sucked.
[5:58] <Syliss> ok
[5:58] <DaQatz> Wasn't stable
[5:58] <DaQatz> Now they ship with ddwrt
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[5:58] <DaQatz> Though personally I prefer openwrt
[5:58] <DaQatz> That's just a matter of taste.
[5:59] <Syliss> either way, if it does that ill be happy
[6:00] <DaQatz> Tools like iftop on a router rock for figuring out network issues.
[6:00] <Syliss> as long as it can do print server and external hd access
[6:01] <DaQatz> Yeah
[6:01] <DaQatz> With a hub
[6:01] <DaQatz> That's easy
[6:01] <Syliss> yeah
[6:01] <DaQatz> Find a compat printer though.
[6:01] <DaQatz> Lots are hard to get working on linux
[6:01] <Syliss> well i know that sometimes dd and open lose usb access
[6:01] <DaQatz> Most HP's are fine
[6:01] <Syliss> i don't use linux other then with the pi
[6:02] <Syliss> i use osx and winxp
[6:02] * DaQatz nods.
[6:02] <Syliss> i have an hp i think anyways
[6:02] <Syliss> and i don't need to spend more money on a printer
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[6:02] <Syliss> ill be lucky to get the pi
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[6:03] <hotwings> 2.2
[6:03] <Syliss> hotwings: nice
[6:04] <hotwings> i got sidetracked and started rummaging around in other stuff. thats why it took so long :)
[6:04] <Syliss> lol
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[6:20] <ceng> !tiker
[6:20] <ceng> !ticker
[6:20] <PiBot> ceng: 1 day, 39 minutes and 48 seconds till announce.
[6:25] <tashbear> !ticker
[6:25] <PiBot> tashbear: 1 day, 35 minutes and 28 seconds till announce.
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[6:31] <DaQatz> Is it out yet?
[6:31] <PiBot> DaQatz: 1 day, 29 minutes and 38 seconds till announce.
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[6:32] <Syliss> lol
[6:32] <DaQatz> What?
[6:33] <bkanber> what are you guys planning on doing with your raspberry pis?
[6:33] <Syliss> you changed the line(s)
[6:33] <bkanber> it's awesome and I want one.. but I haven't figured out a project for it yet
[6:33] <DaQatz> I'ma build a big endian version of gentoo arm
[6:33] <Syliss> i have like 3-ish projects
[6:33] <DaQatz> Syliss, yes and note the lack of hours
[6:33] <DaQatz> Since it reg's 0
[6:34] <Syliss> yeah
[6:34] <DaQatz> Took an extra 40 lines
[6:34] <Syliss> wow
[6:34] <DaQatz> Shit load of if if statments
[6:34] <Syliss> that sucks
[6:34] <DaQatz> Meh
[6:34] <DaQatz> I probab;y could have made it smaller
[6:34] <Syliss> i need to learn coding more
[6:34] <DaQatz> But you know it's not going to be used long
[6:35] <Syliss> I'm torn between ruby, rails, or html5
[6:35] <DaQatz> If you must learn only one, learn html 5
[6:35] <DaQatz> More usable.
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[6:35] <DaQatz> Includes a few langs though
[6:36] <DaQatz> Java script css etc...
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[6:36] <DaQatz> Javascript can be handy
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[6:36] <DaQatz> Though
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[6:36] <DaQatz> Once you know how to "program"
[6:36] <hotwings> im buying 2 pis.. strictly to see how it performs as a media player (and dvr)
[6:36] <DaQatz> knew langs are easy
[6:37] <DaQatz> I know more langs they i've counted
[6:37] <hotwings> if that works, which im guessing it will since xbmc-pi exists, then im going to see about putting one in my car
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[6:37] <DaQatz> For car I would wait for the A's
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[6:38] <DaQatz> b's seem like a waste for that.
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[6:38] <DaQatz> You know, it's odd. That model B is being released before model A.
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[6:41] <hotwings> DaQatz - why do you think a B is a waste for car?
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[6:47] <rob_> morning :)
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[6:50] <DaQatz> hotwings, It's unlikely you will use the addtions that a model B uses in your car.
[6:51] <DaQatz> Unless you're doing a GPS and need the ram.
[6:51] <DaQatz> But even then, it's unlikely you will need that.
[6:51] <hotwings> ill use the ethernet, and extra ram -- yes
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[7:01] <DaQatz> !ticker
[7:01] <PiBot> DaQatz: 23 hours, 59 minutes and 24 seconds till announce.
[7:01] <DaQatz> =)
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[7:09] <techman2> afternoon.
[7:16] <DaQatz> Lo
[7:16] <DaQatz> Well early morn here
[7:16] <DaQatz> !ticker
[7:16] <PiBot> DaQatz: 23 hours, 44 minutes and 18 seconds till announce.
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[7:18] <techman2> everyone waiting eagerly in anticipation?
[7:19] <neoinr> >_>
[7:19] <neoinr> <_<
[7:19] <neoinr> yes
[7:21] * techman2 considers dropping $140 on a keyboard to go with his $35 R-Pi
[7:22] <hotwings> i would guess most people here are.. ranging anywhere from '...cool' to /me has a raging hardon for the announcement
[7:22] <hotwings> im personally not going to get excited until theres something to be excited about
[7:24] <techman2> yeah I can imagine there is a range of responses.
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[7:26] <hotwings> yup, and they get pretty extreme -- way out there
[7:29] <techman2> yeah
[7:29] <techman2> the foundation people must be getting sick of idiots writing polling scripts that hammer the site.
[7:32] <Foxhoundz> New plan
[7:32] <Foxhoundz> I plan to use the Pi to make a permanent HTTP server
[7:34] <techman2> what are you going to serve with it?
[7:34] <spark9> web pagez
[7:34] <spark9> lol
[7:34] <spark9> porn what else
[7:34] <hotwings> i think people are overestimating what an rpi is useful for. they seem to focus in on it being a cool little device, aka the new shiney.. rather than how limited it actually is
[7:34] <ceng> !tiker
[7:34] <ceng> !ticker
[7:34] <PiBot> ceng: 23 hours, 25 minutes and 49 seconds till announce.
[7:35] <ceng> It's nice. I like.
[7:36] <Foxhoundz> techman2: Mostly music streaming
[7:36] <spark9> I think ppl are just excited about a new platform - so many dumb boxes around
[7:36] <spark9> my wdtv is getting chucked
[7:36] <Foxhoundz> spark9: I'm excited about the price
[7:36] <spark9> piece of junk
[7:36] <Foxhoundz> What?
[7:36] <spark9> yah price is nice
[7:37] <techman2> I want something limited.
[7:37] <Foxhoundz> how so?
[7:37] <spark9> I've got a wdtv serving up my movie collection.. scrolling through covers page at a time - can't skip chapters argh
[7:38] <rm> it's much less limited than you might think :)
[7:38] <spark9> I'm writing some web apps / private social network
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[7:38] <rm> speaking of which, some people think you need a quad-core server to run a static website (and it has to be Xeon, others wont work)
[7:39] <spark9> going to minority report up my movie collection with a wiimote, usb bluetooth and a led power glove
[7:39] <hotwings> different servers have different needs
[7:39] <Foxhoundz> rm: I'm planning to run Node.JS along with it
[7:39] <Foxhoundz> Hopefully it can handle it
[7:39] <spark9> or ir power glove - whatvr - Yah I'm gonna node it up as well
[7:39] <techman2> bbl
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[7:40] <spark9> want to get couchdb running on that sucker along with nodejs
[7:40] <spark9> perfect web / app / db stack for my purposes
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[7:46] <DaQatz> !ticker
[7:46] <PiBot> DaQatz: 23 hours, 14 minutes and 1 seconds till announce.
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[8:00] <DaQatz> !ticker
[8:00] <PiBot> DaQatz: 23 hours,24 seconds till announce.
[8:00] <DaQatz> ...
[8:00] <DaQatz> !ticker
[8:00] <PiBot> DaQatz: 23 hours,0 seconds till announce.
[8:00] <DaQatz> !!!
[8:00] <DaQatz> !ticker
[8:00] <PiBot> DaQatz: 22 hours, 59 minutes and 47 seconds till announce.
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[8:10] <nplus> time won't go any faster the more you check it
[8:10] <huene> not really, indeed
[8:10] <huene> good morning
[8:11] <huene> !w
[8:11] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 3??C. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 87%, Later 6??C - 3??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[8:37] <ahven> heh, people are so hyped now and worried that they can't be hammering down the server when they release a date for the actual sales :P
[8:38] <ahven> nothing new in the comments, is short :)
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[8:46] <Syliss> damn it, 1 more day
[8:49] <joppe> Ain't sure
[8:49] <joppe> There is a announcement in 1 day
[8:49] <joppe> 22 hours from now
[8:49] <Syliss> it will be open for sale with shipping prices
[8:49] <Syliss> liz kinda gave it away
[8:51] <joppe> We all know! Im only saying that isnt what they said :P
[8:54] <Syliss> lol
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[9:16] <tero> is it out yet?
[9:16] <PiBot> tero: 21 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds till announce.
[9:16] <tero> ok
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[9:22] <pixolin> is it out yet?
[9:22] <PiBot> pixolin: 21 hours, 38 minutes and 8 seconds till announce.
[9:22] <pixolin> wow
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[9:39] <stuk_gen> is it put yet?
[9:39] <stuk_gen> is it out yet?
[9:39] <PiBot> stuk_gen: 21 hours, 21 minutes and 2 seconds till announce.
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[9:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[9:41] <rm> anyone got a mail from the mailing list?
[9:41] <Anppa> nope
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[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, the bot has a countdown now? nice
[9:43] <Anppa> PiBot, is the 2nd batch out yet?
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[9:48] <Hourd> PiBot: 2nd batch?
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[9:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> the one after the 1st
[9:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> i.e. the one that will go quicker than the 1st becase the 1st will crash the website so hard it takesd all day to fix it
[9:49] <Hourd> so....probability of being able to order one tomorow?
[9:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> low - unless your lucky you will miss them
[9:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> though I do hope they will annouce that thety ahve made 100k instead of 10 in the 1st batch
[9:52] <pixolin> handling orders for 10.000 items can still be a hassle
[9:52] <pixolin> this ain't your amazon dealer
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[9:53] <Mowee> morning
[9:53] <jzu> morning
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[9:58] <Pix> hi people
[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> hi
[9:58] <Pix> are there an official toolchain for rpi ?
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[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> not as such yet but there are ways
[9:59] <Pix> or i can use a crosstool-ng one with the corresponding kernel headers
[9:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ thats the way to do it
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[9:59] <Pix> ok ty :)
[10:00] <Pix> i'm preparing my build environment
[10:00] <Pix> the proprietary blobs aren't available yet if i'm not mistaken ?
[10:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes on the debian imager for one
[10:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[10:01] <Pix> ok ty
[10:02] <steve_rox> http://www.cabume.co.uk/the-cluster/qset-your-alarmsq-raspberry-pi-looks-ready-for-early-wednesday-launch.html
[10:02] <steve_rox> some amuseing words in there
[10:02] <steve_rox> kinda suggests their servers cant cope too well , unless it was total F5 DOS attack
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[10:04] <Pix> :)
[10:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> well the wordpress one is on the end of a bit of string that is why it cannot cope - they will mvoe to a static page tomorrow - then they will move to a differnt system [possibly] the shop is hosted elsewhere
[10:04] <Pix> it may be the fedora image, and not the actuale sale
[10:05] <steve_rox> i have a feeling the server will grind to a halt and panic buying is going to increase the fail rate
[10:05] <ahven> 10:49 < RaTTuS|BIG> i.e. the one that will go quicker than the 1st becase the 1st will crash the website so hard it takesd all day to fix it
[10:05] <ahven> they are not using their servers to host the sales :)
[10:05] <ahven> that would be planned suicide :P
[10:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> I know but even seen hardend ticket sale sites go down before - I have .,..,
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[10:06] <ahven> scheduled suicide seems a bit better term
[10:06] <steve_rox> ah so like microsoft
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[10:08] <steve_rox> i speculate no ones gonna get one and ebay is going to be plastered with them at highly inflated prices :-P
[10:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ they have said they are going to keep some back for putting on ebay also - to stomp on the ebay profiteers
[10:09] <tero> is it out yet?
[10:09] <PiBot> tero: 20 hours, 51 minutes and 38 seconds till announce.
[10:09] <steve_rox> oh
[10:09] <steve_rox> wait untill shortages kick in
[10:09] <steve_rox> brb
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[10:15] <ceng> !ticker
[10:15] <PiBot> ceng: 20 hours, 45 minutes and 8 seconds till announce.
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[10:45] <pingec> So what do you think the announcement is gonna be about?
[10:45] <weuxel> Release
[10:45] <Tobias|> They'll announce another announcement that announces the release date
[10:46] <pingec> Did they say what payment methods will be available?
[10:46] <weuxel> yes
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[10:46] <pingec> which ones?
[10:46] <stuk_gen> 6.00 GMT what fuse +0 ?
[10:46] <DDave> its GMT
[10:47] <rvalles> Why GMT and not UTC is beyond me.
[10:47] <gobby> GMT = UTC
[10:47] <LoganShaw> british pride
[10:47] <stuk_gen> GMT so british
[10:47] <pingec> :)))
[10:47] <rvalles> LoganShaw: good one.
[10:47] <weuxel> pingec: From the FAQ: "We will accept most major cards, PayPal, and offline payments."
[10:47] <stuk_gen> 6.00 at london
[10:47] <pingec> thanks man
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[10:52] <stuk_gen> the announce is.... 'sorry we joke'
[10:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> GMT is not UMT - very very very close but a bit differnt
[10:53] <stuk_gen> what difference?
[10:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> well it's complex but you don't need to woryy about it
[10:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh coffee time
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> stuk_gen, read that as "I don't understand it well enough either", but here you go http://geography.about.com/od/timeandtimezones/a/gmtutc.htm
[10:58] <rvalles> RaTTuS|BIG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time#Definition_and_relationship_to_other_standards
[10:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ yeah it gets complex but normally you just need to think UTC == GMT and GMT is not the sme as BST
[10:59] <rvalles> You made me check just in case. As I remembered, UTC=GMT.
[10:59] <rvalles> I like the UTC name better, however :)
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[11:00] <rvalles> universal > greenwich
[11:03] <rvalles> I'm hoping it's release (and we can order it finally). feb 29 is a good date for a release too, there won't be another feb 29 for a few years.
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[11:06] <Tobias|> Hm...
[11:06] <Tobias|> Maybe I can increase my chances at getting an r-pi by informing the lot of you that Feb 29 is cancelled
[11:06] <Tobias|> so .. you'd uh .. better not try buying any r-pi's
[11:06] * Tobias| coughs politely
[11:07] <rvalles> Tobias|: you can have your rbpi... after I grab mine.
[11:07] <weuxel> And after me...
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[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> well... liz says they have a plan to make sure the server stays up
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I think she 'misunderastimates' us
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[11:22] <techman2> !ticker
[11:22] <PiBot> techman2: 19 hours, 37 minutes and 48 seconds till announce.
[11:24] <rvalles> tomorrow at 6 a good time to test it with "siege"? :P
[11:24] <rvalles> static stuff should serve very fast anyway.
[11:25] <rvalles> (all they really need is a varnish as frontend)
[11:25] <rvalles> (they don't really need to make it static)
[11:26] <Ben64> its not going on sale then, right?
[11:26] <weuxel> Hopefully it does
[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, what else could it be?
[11:27] <Ben64> its an announcement
[11:27] <rm> of what
[11:27] <Ben64> will go on sale march 15th or something
[11:27] <rm> blah
[11:27] <Ben64> why would they say announcement instead of sale
[11:27] <weuxel> Ben64: read the comments. The replys suggest the release
[11:27] <rm> and you think they'd fire the mass mail to the mailing list about such a stupid thing?
[11:28] <Tobias|> Why would they give an exact time for an announcement, Ben64?
[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what I though, but then I let my imagination get carried away.... so I like my new theory.
[11:28] <Ben64> i didn't get an email
[11:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> comments from liz like ;- Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi Reply Retweet Favorite ?? Open
[11:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> @barsteward I'm not allowed to say (arcane contractual stuff) - but I *can* say that you'll be furious w yourself if you miss it.
[11:28] <Syliss> i didn't get an email either
[11:28] <rm> > It'll get to you. Getting mails out to all >100k mailing list members will take hours - they go out in batches.
[11:28] <Ben64> RaTTuS|BIG: hmmm
[11:28] <rm> that's from the front page from twitter
[11:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> emails are goinfg out today - they have over 120k to send - they go out in batches
[11:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> what rm said
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[11:29] <Ben64> is it out yet?
[11:29] <PiBot> Ben64: 19 hours, 31 minutes and 18 seconds till announce.
[11:29] <Ben64> so 10pm pacific
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[11:29] <rm> also keep checking the shop, they might slip up and accidentaly put it into the open earlier :)
[11:29] <weuxel> Also there are comments from liz to have the debian build ready, because the fedore build will be too late for tomorrow
[11:30] <Ben64> the site is going to die
[11:30] <Ben64> 500k hits at the same time
[11:30] <Lord_DeathMatch> ^
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[11:30] <Lord_DeathMatch> yup
[11:30] <Syliss> if they used square space they will be okay, lol
[11:30] <Ben64> i don't know why they think they can keep it up
[11:30] <Lord_DeathMatch> Ben64: i agree
[11:30] <Ben64> woot.com dies whenever a bag of crap goes on sale, and they've been doing it for years
[11:31] <Syliss> i know i hate woot for that
[11:31] <Ben64> i got one last time by haxing
[11:31] <Syliss> Ben64: at least its a decent time for us 'yanks'
[11:31] <Syliss> haxing huh?
[11:31] <Ben64> its funny, its the same time as woot
[11:32] <Syliss> yeah, that is funny
[11:32] <Lord_DeathMatch> i dont see my OWN website surviving the people in this channel, let alone what raspberrypi.org/com is going to get
[11:32] <Syliss> Lord_DeathMatch: ur site?
[11:32] <Ben64> they would need a bunch of servers and a hefty load balancer
[11:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> !ticker
[11:32] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: 19 hours, 27 minutes and 40 seconds till announce.
[11:33] <Lord_DeathMatch> Syliss: google app engine, badly coded
[11:33] <Lord_DeathMatch> Syliss: my part at least
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure they are not doing it themselves... maybe got some amazon-like service for it
[11:33] <Ben64> one server physically cannot handle the amount of connections they will have
[11:33] <Ben64> amazon owns woot.com, and it still dies
[11:33] <Ben64> :|
[11:33] <Lord_DeathMatch> 0.0
[11:34] <Ben64> r-?? launch will be worse than sparkfun free day
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> they don't seem compenent in the interwebs department, so I am sure they've got some third party service for it.
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, the last free day was fine.
[11:34] <Ben64> really? they must have had one when i wasn't looking
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, were you there for the capcha one?
[11:34] <ShiftPlusOne> *captcha
[11:35] <Ben64> don't think so
[11:35] <Lord_DeathMatch> fingers crossed they dont do the shipping by hand :/
[11:35] <Ben64> they have distribution centers
[11:35] <ShiftPlusOne> then yeah, you missed it
[11:35] <Lord_DeathMatch> righteo
[11:35] <Ben64> if they are really going to sell them tomorrow, then they should already be ready to go
[11:36] <Lord_DeathMatch> just got the email :)
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> What does it say? =D
[11:36] <Lord_DeathMatch> The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be making a big (and very positive) announcement that just might interest you at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012. Come to www.raspberrypi.org to find out what's going on.
[11:36] <Lord_DeathMatch> and thats the gist of it
[11:36] <Lord_DeathMatch> rest is opt out stuff and "from eben upton"
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, now I am fairly confident it's going on sale.... or maybe they'll give some codes for when you can order
[11:37] <Lord_DeathMatch> yeah :)
[11:38] <Davespice> I've wondered whether the 'very positive' nature of the announcement is that they have more than 10K boards to sell, but maybe this is wishful thinking :)
[11:38] <Syliss> doubt that
[11:38] <Ben64> super unlikely
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe they've got continuous production going and it's all you can eat now. =D
[11:38] <Davespice> would be great though :)
[11:38] <Ben64> they might have started production on 2nd run though
[11:39] <Ben64> after making sure the 10k work fine
[11:39] <Syliss> that would be cool
[11:39] <Davespice> thats a good point, the is always a risk of some kind of fault
[11:39] <Lord_DeathMatch> all speculation though
[11:39] <Ben64> thats why they did 10k
[11:39] <Davespice> so they wouldn't start production on further units until the first batch is well tested
[11:39] <Syliss> if they said that, the second batch could be out in march-april
[11:40] <Ben64> didn't they say something like May for buying in bulk
[11:41] <Syliss> no idea
[11:41] <Syliss> may would be cool
[11:41] <Syliss> tis my birthday
[11:41] <Davespice> I think it's cool the release is on the leap year day
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe they've got broadcom to opensource everything, donate all of its' profits to charity and cure cancer?
[11:41] <Davespice> haha :)
[11:41] <Ben64> disneyland is open for 24hrs on the 29th
[11:41] <Ben64> i want to go
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> all of them?
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[11:42] <Syliss> if i didn't care about people id steal my wife's credit card and order 2 pi's
[11:42] <Ben64> theres only one disneyland?
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ....one disneyland, huh?
[11:42] <Ben64> there can be only one
[11:43] <Syliss> if i was in so cal id go
[11:43] <Davespice> so not the one in Paris then? You mean Florida?
[11:43] <Syliss> well idk about my leg, ugh
[11:43] <Syliss> Davespice: that disneyworld
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[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> and the one in Japan?
[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd also mention China, but that one is crappy.
[11:43] <Davespice> is it now? something I would probably know if I had kids :)
[11:44] <Syliss> Davespice: i don't have kids but my wife loves disneyland
[11:45] <Syliss> she grew up less then 30 min away from it
[11:45] <Davespice> wow, that's cool - I do plan to go there one day, but when I have some little ones in tow to enjoy the magic
[11:45] <stuk_gen> is it out yet?
[11:45] <PiBot> stuk_gen: 19 hours, 14 minutes and 52 seconds till announce.
[11:51] <Davespice> did you all see this picture from last night? > http://imgur.com/MCEag
[11:51] <Syliss> ugly brits
[11:51] <Syliss> lol
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[11:51] <Davespice> oi <poke>, other Brits here too
[11:52] <tero> is it out yet?
[11:52] <PiBot> tero: 19 hours, 8 minutes and 39 seconds till announce.
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[11:52] <Syliss> I'm not a brit hence why i said it
[11:52] <Syliss> but cool too see how much changed
[11:52] <Syliss> went tiny, big to small
[11:53] <Syliss> i almost prefer the mini one
[11:53] <Davespice> I think that one doesn't have as many features... I think it's a model A only
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it would be nice if they released the mini version
[11:54] <Syliss> yeah ShiftPlusOne i agree
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[11:54] <steve_rox> ya think the servers will be able to cope with orders later?
[11:55] <Syliss> nope
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[11:55] <Davespice> steve_rox: they have a 'plan' apparently... their online shop is hosted by a pretty serious server from what I've read
[11:55] <steve_rox> hmm
[11:55] <gobby> Has there been any word of a raspi case yet?
[11:56] <steve_rox> i suspect they will all sell out very rapidly and we shall end up with nothing
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[11:56] <Davespice> but the main Raspberry Pi site will probably shut down and have a single html page in the root with nothing else
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, liz seems confident that they will be fine
[11:56] <steve_rox> you can probly save 25gb in bandwidth just by diableing loading of gifs on page
[11:56] <steve_rox> hmm
[11:57] <steve_rox> place bets on how fast they all sell out?
[11:57] <Syliss> 10min
[11:57] <Kolin> this place really does have the same conversation going on constantly
[11:57] <Syliss> if the site works
[11:57] <steve_rox> now we just need some way to monitor stock
[11:57] <Syliss> Kolin: duh
[11:58] <Syliss> we don't care about anything else about the pi till its sold
[11:59] <steve_rox> while iam partually exsited im not getting too exsited due to im expecting stock to be gone in 2 seconds leaveing us all empty handed
[11:59] <Syliss> lol
[11:59] <steve_rox> proper emotional preperation to avoid high dissapointment ;-)
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[12:00] <rm> even kids who haven't yet finished elementary school are getting EXCITED
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[12:00] <steve_rox> they should of had more produced :-P
[12:01] <steve_rox> funny how this could spark up a whole new computer age kinda thing and ms cant touch it :-P
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[12:01] <steve_rox> allways late to the game eh
[12:02] <steve_rox> (netbooks vista)
[12:02] <tero> i still think that this announcment is only going to be the exact date and time when they will star selling it
[12:02] <tero> :)
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[12:03] <rm> they're going to get a lot of people mad if that's the case
[12:03] <rm> and for no reason
[12:03] <rm> e.g. why would you ask people to wake up at 06 AM
[12:03] <Syliss> i will have my credit card ready no matter what
[12:03] <rm> if you plan to tell them March 15 blah blah
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, then why would liz say you won't want to miss it?
[12:03] <Da|Mummy> http://slickdeals.net/f/4000910-Raspberry-Pi-ie-htpc-for-cheap-announcement-release-at-0600h-GMT-on-Wednesday-29-February-2012
[12:03] <tero> hmm..
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[12:03] <tero> dis she said that?
[12:03] <tero> where?
[12:03] <Da|Mummy> rofl, im sorry to say it, but say goodbye to your servers
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> at the very least it's some sort of pre-order codes or something like that.
[12:03] <Da|Mummy> slickdeal will be in effect
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, twitter
[12:04] <stuk_gen> maybe they annunce the rolling stone tour 2012 :D
[12:04] <Syliss> fuck, too many people know about it
[12:04] <steve_rox> do they support paypal ? :-P
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, only if you read the faq
[12:04] <steve_rox> oh
[12:04] <techman2> Syliss: why do you say that?
[12:05] <Syliss> techman2: it will crash so hard and i won't get one till may
[12:05] <Syliss> or june
[12:05] <rm> "htpc for cheap"
[12:05] <rm> morons
[12:05] <Syliss> and ill be healing and stuff
[12:05] <Syliss> i have more time if i can get one ordered tomorrow
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[12:05] <Ben64> rm: why
[12:05] <techman2> I'll be watching from work
[12:05] <rm> because if you look for HTPC for cheap there are much more suitable products
[12:06] <Ben64> i'll use mine mostly for media : /
[12:06] <techman2> 6am GMT = 2pm here
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> rm, but do they run linux?
[12:06] <tero> is it out yet?
[12:06] <PiBot> tero: 18 hours, 54 minutes and 11 seconds till announce.
[12:06] <rm> that don't make your purchase mean a developer of some educational software might not get one
[12:06] <Da|Mummy> rm, name one
[12:06] <rm> ShiftPlusOne, I mean android media players
[12:06] <Da|Mummy> name one
[12:07] <Syliss> who cares if others run linux? not everything has to run linux
[12:07] <Ben64> yeah, wheres one for $35 and can do 1080p x264
[12:07] <Da|Mummy> when 1080p movies are 20gb in size, it better support some linux filesystems
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Syliss, yes, everything has to run linux. </troll>
[12:07] <Ben64> what else is there besides linux?
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[12:07] <Syliss> meh
[12:07] <stuk_gen> at 6.00gmt sell or not...the news if there is on market an incredible device that run linux and great video performance for 35$!!! that open a new market of low cost target to many use
[12:07] <Ben64> can't get windows on something that cheap
[12:08] <Syliss> screw windows
[12:08] <techman2> +1
[12:08] <Ben64> exactly
[12:08] <Da|Mummy> right, so when is batch 2 starting?
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[12:09] <Simon-> presumably once they've sold enough of batch 1
[12:09] <rm> Da|Mummy, one: https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-1080p-android-2-3-network-media-player-w-wifi-tf-usb-hdmi-rj45-black-116857
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi
[12:09] <techman2> I have to say the R-Pi has greatly increased my interest in ARM systems.
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> @swilsonalfa If only we had something like a FAQ to answer that sort of question.
[12:09] <rm> $70 but you get a proper case, a wifi, a remote, a PSU and most likely some cables
[12:10] <Syliss> thats not bad
[12:10] <Da|Mummy> but does it support ext2/3/4?
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and does it work for more than a week?
[12:10] <Ben64> $70 :|
[12:10] <rm> it's Android 2.3, I'd expect it does
[12:10] <Ben64> thats almost twice as much as $35
[12:11] <Syliss> lol
[12:11] <Da|Mummy> which is almost like 3 times as much
[12:11] <rm> > $70 but you get a proper case, a wifi, a remote, a PSU and most likely some cables
[12:11] <techman2> hrm
[12:11] <Syliss> yes and how much are stupid people spending on parts for the pi now?
[12:11] <Da|Mummy> i bought a $800 projector
[12:11] <techman2> just came across an article stating dell have been testing arm servers for more than a year..
[12:11] <rm> Ben64, if you don't care for android, here's one for $42: https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-1080p-full-hd-media-player-with-ypbpr-av-optical-hdmi-usb-host-sd-silver-59888
[12:11] <Ben64> i like android
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[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, "I'm not allowed to say (arcane contractual stuff) - but I *can* say that you'll be furious w yourself if you miss it." (twitter)
[12:12] <Ben64> dealextreme stuff is usually pretty sketchy
[12:12] <Syliss> i was just thinking that Ben64
[12:12] <chris_99> and it's slow as hell Ben64
[12:12] <Da|Mummy> and chinese stuff is highly unsupported
[12:12] <Syliss> damn it, i need more amazon gift cards
[12:12] <Ben64> yeah i've gotten stuff from there before
[12:12] <Ben64> takes 2-6 weeks
[12:12] <rm> here's one that specifically mentions ext2/3 https://www.dealextreme.com/p/android-full-hd-1080p-media-player-w-usb-sd-hdmi-rj45-ports-black-2-x-aaa-102992
[12:13] <Ben64> kinda nice those support mpeg2
[12:13] <Ben64> still, rather have pi
[12:13] <Syliss> rm, I'm so bookmarking de
[12:13] <Da|Mummy> still missing proper linux
[12:14] <Syliss> if its a cortex a9 it can handle linux
[12:14] <Ben64> i'll use my ?? mostly for media, but i'll also take it when i travel as a tiny computer
[12:14] <Syliss> Ben64: great idea
[12:14] <Ben64> i'd love to put my ?? in a laptop case and use it as one
[12:15] <Syliss> i would but its a bitch to wire
[12:15] <Ben64> some LED backlight screen wouldn't take much power
[12:15] <Ben64> rpi doesn't take much at all
[12:15] <Ben64> could have epic battery life
[12:15] <Syliss> true
[12:15] <acperkins> Everyone seems to have plans for their Pis, I just want to play with mine! :-D
[12:15] <Ben64> just the problem of wiring the screen
[12:15] <Syliss> just have to figure out how to wire the battery and a
[12:15] <Syliss> battery meter
[12:15] <Ben64> that can all be hardware
[12:17] <Syliss> rm that last one actually seems decent
[12:17] <Syliss> crap i need more money
[12:19] <Da|Mummy> right, so when is batch 2 starting?
[12:19] <Syliss> next year
[12:19] <Ben64> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8484
[12:19] <Ben64> 6000mah
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[12:20] <Ben64> would probably give something like..... 30 hours of power
[12:20] <Syliss> 8 hours at peak
[12:20] <Ben64> no way
[12:20] <Syliss> um yes
[12:20] <Syliss> 700/6000
[12:20] <rm> got my email too
[12:20] <Ben64> i have a 8800mah battery for my laptop
[12:21] <Ben64> lasted 12 hrs when it worked
[12:21] <Syliss> at peak?
[12:21] <Ben64> and i know my laptop uses way more power than the ??
[12:21] <Syliss> as in max everything and full cpu
[12:21] <techman2> mmm
[12:21] <steve_rox> asus once fucked me off with a 4000mah , it lasted less than a hour , they said its standard uk power rateing
[12:21] <techman2> curry for dinner
[12:22] <Ben64> r-?? uses like 3W peak
[12:22] <slaeshjag> Lets see, the rPi model B uses up to 2.5 W, right?
[12:22] <Syliss> it uses 700mah at peak
[12:23] <steve_rox> what we need is some kinda small real cheap lcd display now :-P
[12:23] <slaeshjag> If we assume you can have a 100% efficient step-up to 5 V, that would mean 2.5 Wh of energy is needed for 1 hour of operation
[12:23] <techman2> peak consumption is about 3.5W, I thought
[12:23] <steve_rox> which is probly going to hold us back for portability
[12:23] <rm> steve_rox, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/idea-a-cheap-colour-lcd-for-r-pi-only-22-60
[12:23] <steve_rox> hmmmm
[12:23] <slaeshjag> A 6000 mAh 3.7 V nominal voltage battery gives about 3.7*6 W
[12:23] <Syliss> and the output of that is 3.7v so u would have to step it up
[12:23] <slaeshjag> 22.2 Wh
[12:24] <Ben64> ohh
[12:24] <LiENUS> can someone explain to me what the fuck this teacher is asking
[12:24] <LiENUS> http://pastebin.com/cKhwudsK
[12:24] <Ben64> my laptop battery is 10.8v 8800mah
[12:24] <Syliss> yeah
[12:24] <Syliss> that makes a difference
[12:24] <slaeshjag> 8.8 hours of battery life
[12:24] <Syliss> it depends on how many amps is used per hour
[12:25] <Syliss> don't worry about watts
[12:25] <chris_99> isn't that pretty obvious LiENUS
[12:25] <chris_99> just accepting 3 numbers from the keyboard
[12:25] <LiENUS> chris_99, but its part of my homework
[12:25] <Ben64> watts matters
[12:25] <LiENUS> what the fuck is she asking
[12:25] <slaeshjag> and that's 8.8 hours assuming a 100 % efficient step-up
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[12:25] <LiENUS> i just put What is this I don't even in response to the problem
[12:25] <chris_99> just allow the user to input 3 numbers and add 'em up
[12:25] <slaeshjag> More realistically, that would make a tad under 8 hours
[12:25] <Syliss> yep
[12:26] <Ben64> then throw 2 more batteries in there and get ~24hrs
[12:26] <Syliss> but it would be a nice battery for the pi
[12:26] <Syliss> just have to get a charger for it
[12:26] <slaeshjag> That tells me that something uses an awful amount of power on the R-pi
[12:26] <zgreg> is there any news regarding SD card support?
[12:26] <slaeshjag> probably the GPU
[12:26] <zgreg> i.e. are UHS speeds supported?
[12:27] <slaeshjag> With WiFi turned off, the Pandora can get like 12 hours on a 4200 mAh battery
[12:27] <Ben64> or could just throw a bunch of rechargeable nimh AAs in a case
[12:27] <Ben64> much cheaper and less explody
[12:27] <Syliss> Ben64: lol
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[12:27] <Ben64> ~2500mah each
[12:28] <Syliss> set it in parallel and not series
[12:28] <slaeshjag> Ben64: Remember, you need three of them to get the juice of a 2500 mAh LiPo battery :P
[12:28] <Syliss> just get a crap ton of older cellphone batteries
[12:28] <Syliss> like for the moto razr
[12:28] <Syliss> haha
[12:29] <Ben64> i'd group em in 4s then series them
[12:29] <Ben64> like 16 total, 16*2.5*1.5 watt hours
[12:29] <Syliss> 1.2 not 1.5
[12:29] <Ben64> oh right
[12:29] <Syliss> yeah sux
[12:29] <zgreg> slaeshjag: yes, there is something that uses a lot of power: the linear voltage regulators
[12:30] <Ben64> 48
[12:30] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Ah, forgot about that
[12:30] <zgreg> all the voltage drop is just transformed to heat
[12:30] <Syliss> 48/ volts
[12:30] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Not exactly optimal for battery power :)
[12:31] <Syliss> I'm so doing a lego case
[12:31] <Syliss> haha
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[12:33] <Ben64> i'd want a snazzy lego case
[12:33] <Ben64> http://tfvlrue.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dsc_100107-235652_size.jpg
[12:33] <Ben64> like that
[12:33] <Syliss> thats awesome, i remember seeing that long ago
[12:34] <Syliss> yeah solid colors not mixed
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[12:34] <Syliss> Ben64: 4 of those batteries with a volt reg would be great, only 1lb
[12:35] <Syliss> tie that in with a wrt or cheap used router and the model and and u could make a mesh network for cheap
[12:36] <Syliss> heck, pull the dvd drive out of a bigger laptop and fit the pi in there
[12:37] <Syliss> then u could 'dual' boot
[12:37] <Hourd> nice idea
[12:37] <Syliss> just splice all the needed cables to it
[12:37] <Ben64> hmm
[12:37] <Syliss> which wouldn't be that hard
[12:37] <Ben64> is there a way to get 5v from a laptop when off
[12:37] <Hourd> i have an old thinkpad...the ones where the drive it hotswapable
[12:38] <Syliss> oh yeah
[12:38] <Ben64> really?
[12:38] <Ben64> usb ports are all dead on mine when off
[12:38] <Syliss> yeah, some newer laptops can do usb charge when its off
[12:38] <Ben64> :(
[12:38] <Ben64> i should find a charger that works on the ferrari acer i have
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[12:38] <Ben64> see what i can make it do
[12:39] <Syliss> or just tap into the battery with a hard switch
[12:39] <steve_rox> my motherboard does usb charge boost or something ,which is suppoed to increase voltage over the line , sounds mad to me
[12:40] <haltdef> probably not voltage, that'd fry things
[12:40] <Syliss> or Ben64 get one of those batteries and have it charge via usb when the pi is off
[12:40] <Ben64> i wouldn't want to turn the laptop on though
[12:40] <Ben64> sucks a lot of power
[12:40] <mjr> it probably just is prepared to feed extra current
[12:41] <steve_rox> the usb is supposed to negotiate voltage or something
[12:41] <mjr> if it's so, you can probably use the port to feed the Rasp too
[12:41] <mjr> steve_rox, no
[12:41] <Ben64> current
[12:41] <steve_rox> i have no idea i mean this fancy new motherbord is plasterd in cheesy new features
[12:41] <mjr> it negotiates the maximum current draw
[12:41] <Ben64> lots of things now like more than the 500ma
[12:41] <Syliss> yeah
[12:42] <Ben64> i already melted a car charger because it couldn't handle my phone
[12:42] <Syliss> I'm happy i have so many iPhone chargers that i 2 spare for the pi
[12:42] <Ben64> ordered a few of these http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10321&cs_id=1032102&p_id=8858&seq=1&format=4
[12:42] <steve_rox> solar panneled pi :-P
[12:42] <Syliss> one for it and one for my usb hub, i hope
[12:43] * mjr got an ol' openmoko charger with a microusb adapter. Supplies up to 2A, so should be nice.
[12:43] <Ben64> 2.1A 5v, $4.86
[12:43] <Syliss> mjr: the pi will only take up to 1amp
[12:43] <Ben64> extra available current won't hurt anything
[12:44] <Syliss> it won't go thru the board tho
[12:44] <steve_rox> i have a spare 12v solar pannel here :-P has enough power to spin a standard pc fan when super sunny
[12:44] <Syliss> because of the fuse
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[12:44] <Ben64> steve_rox: how many watts
[12:44] <Syliss> breaker*
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[12:44] <steve_rox> ive totally forgotten the specs , i got it off ebay years ago
[12:44] <mjr> Syliss, ah, it's in the input and not the usb outputs. I misunderstood.
[12:45] <techman2> I've got the charger from my HTC desire to run the Pi
[12:45] <mjr> anyway, it'll work fine
[12:45] <Syliss> mar, yeah which sucks
[12:45] <Syliss> mjr*
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[12:45] <Ben64> i'm not sure what i'll use on mine yet
[12:45] <Ben64> maybe mod a power brick
[12:46] <Syliss> i would be careful with that
[12:46] <Ben64> i don't want to just get a gimpy 500ma wall adapter
[12:46] <steve_rox> what about one them lil motola phone chargers?
[12:46] <Syliss> Ben64: most do 1amp
[12:48] <Syliss> I'm going to use one of my iPhone chargers to power my usb hub, just solder a spare usb cable for power
[12:48] <techman2> yeah 5V 1A seems to be the norm for most smartphones
[12:48] <Syliss> yep
[12:50] <techman2> I wonder what is happening at the foundation atm
[12:50] * techman2 envisages utter chaos
[12:50] <steve_rox> wondering when attempting to order is it nessery to create a annoying account on website or does paypal etc simplify
[12:51] <Ben64> i found an adapter that does 5v 2a
[12:51] <Ben64> strange connector on the end, no idea what it went to originally
[12:51] <Ben64> could turn it into usb easily
[12:52] <mjr> yeah sure
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, yes, you need an annoying account
[12:53] <steve_rox> how annoying
[12:53] <steve_rox> :-P
[12:53] <techman2> hehe
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[12:54] <steve_rox> pisssed off with so many things online demanding accounts
[12:54] <steve_rox> i cant keep track of em all
[12:54] <steve_rox> :-P
[12:54] <Syliss> raspberrypi.com is powered by BIGCOMMERCE.COM
[12:54] <tero> is it out yet?
[12:54] <PiBot> tero: 18 hours, 5 minutes and 48 seconds till announce.
[12:55] <steve_rox> "it was the most expensive hoax in history of computing" ;-)
[12:55] <Syliss> wow they are going to get raped from bandwidth usage
[12:56] * techman2 creates account
[12:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> steve_rox - see lastpass to help you with that
[12:56] <steve_rox> haha
[12:56] <steve_rox> with the pwd of 1234
[12:56] <steve_rox> :-D
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[12:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> seriously - lastpass is awesome
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[12:58] <Laban_> Hello World
[12:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
[12:59] <Laban_> Has any of you found out how quick the rPI starts up once power is connected? Time from power on to desktop.
[13:00] <joukio> does anyone in here has an estimate what the mpeg2 license will cost for the rpi?
[13:00] <joukio> IF they would start embedding it of course :)
[13:00] <techman2> Laban_: that would depend on what software it was booting.
[13:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> $2 / head IIRC
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[13:01] <techman2> Laban_: also the speed of the SD card is another factor.
[13:02] <mjr> don't count on any mpeg2 license being available, they did say it'd be an administrative nightmare...
[13:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> they would have to pay for all rpi's produced
[13:02] <Laban_> techman2: Of course... I'm thinking quite basic stuff, like one of the SD's the charity will sell with Fedora.
[13:02] <joukio> hmmmm, ok.... because that codec is the one that's mostly used next to the h264 and mpeg4 ones....
[13:02] <Laban_> With really no extra startup activities or external peripherals.
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Laban_, that's a "we have no idea"
[13:03] <joukio> I dont' think it either. but it's always nice to give it a shot
[13:03] <techman2> yeah
[13:03] <techman2> the image hasn't been released yet
[13:03] <Laban_> ShiftPlusOne: Hehe yeah I guess so :)
[13:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M2/Documents/m2web_licenseterms.pdf
[13:04] <Laban_> Well... Will buy and find out :)
[13:05] <ShiftPlusOne> My guess is somewhere between 5 seconds and 2 minutes.
[13:05] <techman2> Laban_: sorry you can't have one cause I want one :P lol
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[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, 'morning
[13:06] <ReggieUK> hi :)
[13:08] <Laban_> Dream scenario is that is boots around as fast as the TV that will power the device =)
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> (no)
[13:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> there is a video of the rpi booting somewhere on google video
[13:08] <techman2> Laban_: I wouldn't expect anything like that
[13:08] <Stskeeps> we can get it to like 25 or less, probably
[13:09] <Laban_> Naah... Just wishful thinking :)
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> There is no good reason it won't boot in ~5s
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[13:10] <SpeedEvil> At least to the point it can load and run user scripts.
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> What userspace takes is another question.
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[13:10] <techman2> getting to a gdm login screen might take a tad longer.
[13:10] <Laban_> Can one rPI power another one?
[13:11] <Hourd> daisychaining rpis?
[13:11] <Laban_> Let's daisy-chain them and see how far it goes :D
[13:11] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, connect them in a loop and you're set.
[13:11] <techman2> lol
[13:11] <Hourd> lawl
[13:11] <Laban_> lol
[13:11] <techman2> R-Pi token ring.
[13:11] <Hourd> self sustaining power
[13:11] <Laban_> Hmm
[13:11] <Hourd> ;)
[13:11] <ReggieUK> they use them at cern
[13:11] <Laban_> BNC-LAN-USB-adapter?
[13:11] <Laban_> =)
[13:12] <ReggieUK> it's not really magnets keeping the beam in shape
[13:12] <ReggieUK> it's pi
[13:12] <steve_rox> you think some fools will make app stores for it ? haha
[13:12] <Laban_> Probably
[13:13] <ReggieUK> for what?
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[13:14] <Hourd> app store for the pi?
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[13:16] <weuxel> Appstore for the pi is the package manager of the distro you use i dare say.
[13:16] <ReggieUK> weuxel, you'll confuse them
[13:18] <Hourd> weuxel: indeed
[13:18] <Hourd> lawl
[13:18] <Hourd> well hopefully atm nodbody that silly will get a pi
[13:20] <ReggieUK> murphy's algorithm says they will
[13:23] <Hourd> i know =[
[13:23] <Hourd> damn murphy
[13:23] <Hourd> i prefur moore
[13:24] <weuxel> I prefer Homer Simpson
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[13:27] <Tachyon`> apt
[13:27] <Tachyon`> it'll do fine
[13:28] <Tachyon`> I think the fedora one is called yum which seems quite apt in itself
[13:28] <weuxel> I hope i will manage to use portage.
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[13:29] <Hourd> yeah portage > *
[13:30] <techman2> any word on BSD ports for the pi?
[13:30] <DDave> when boards come out ;)
[13:30] <DDave> theres been some chatter on maillists, google it
[13:30] <Hourd> gentoo \o/
[13:31] <techman2> yeah just doing that now
[13:32] <techman2> GPU drivers seems to be a bit of a concern
[13:33] <Hourd> yeah
[13:33] <mjr> indubitably
[13:33] <techman2> I wonder if the datasheet will give enough info for them to write drivers?
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the datasheet is for the peripherals like USB and GPIO
[13:34] <mjr> they can probably get simple framebuffer modesetting up by example, but more than that it gets sticky
[13:35] <techman2> yeah
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> framebuffer is doable.... just a matter of writting data in the right location
[13:35] <mjr> a downside of the broadcom device and their policies
[13:36] <techman2> how have the nouveau drivers been done?
[13:36] <pingec> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> *cough* vapourware
[13:37] <ReggieUK> why the hell does that $200 piece of crap keep getting posted here?
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> but good looking vapourware.
[13:37] <mjr> techman2, reverse-engineering
[13:38] <ReggieUK> not that good
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, well, it's a better CPU and the mali drivers are open
[13:38] <ReggieUK> it needs tethering to a usb port of some desription for pwoer
[13:38] <ReggieUK> and it's $200
[13:38] <mjr> no, mali drivers aren't open (wish they were)
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> mjr, didn't they open them recently?
[13:38] <ReggieUK> so it should be singing and dancing better
[13:38] <techman2> mjr, ok. wasn't sure if nvidia had helped.
[13:38] <mjr> there's a _project_ in its infancy to make reverse-engineered free drivers
[13:38] <ReggieUK> but nothing jumps out to me and says 'yeah, buy it'
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> mjr, isn't there an official open version?
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[13:39] <ReggieUK> oh wait
[13:39] <[SySteM]> Hello
[13:39] <ReggieUK> + tax
[13:39] <mjr> And if I'd have to bet which embedded gpu will have decent free support first, it'd be the mali. But not now.
[13:39] <mjr> no.
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[13:39] <ReggieUK> make that $240 once it hits uk shores
[13:39] <[SySteM]> i download the img card sd, i try it with QEMU but i dont have username/password for root user ?
[13:39] * techman2 reads FreeBSD mailing list.
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, different market
[13:40] <Caver> techman2: good luck and remember ... they are a lot more friendly in real life
[13:40] <mjr> techman2, nope, nvidia is the least helpful of the big desktop gpu makers (ie. not at all helpful)
[13:41] <mjr> both intel and amd make free drivers, just that the latter puts much less effort into them than their proprietary one
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[13:41] <[SySteM]> nobody to give me the username/password to try the img sd card ?
[13:43] <weuxel> [SySteM]: did you read the download page?
[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> [SySteM], doesn't look like it yet
[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah there you go
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[13:44] <[SySteM]> no reference to username/login/root on download page
[13:44] <weuxel> Yes there is... look closer
[13:44] <[SySteM]> ok .. please /clear :)
[13:45] <techman2> alright
[13:45] <techman2> off to bed
[13:45] <techman2> night!
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[13:45] <[SySteM]> sorry :)
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> [SySteM], do "sudo su" and set it using passwd
[13:47] <[SySteM]> sorry again :]
[13:47] <DDave> changing username might be a bad idea no?
[13:47] <DDave> is "pi" root?
[13:47] <DDave> or just an user?
[13:47] * DDave hasnt booted the os yet
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> just a user
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[13:47] <DDave> oh okay, nevermind my question then.
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't even know you can rename root
[13:48] <weuxel> ShiftPlusOne: give another user the id 0 an boooooooooooooom... root.
[13:49] <DDave> hmmm
[13:49] <DDave> any tutorials on how to compile debian for the rasp?
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> [SySteM], incase you still haven't found the username and password, the username is pi and password is suse
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[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, why compile? O_o
[13:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> !ticker
[13:49] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: 17 hours, 10 minutes and 46 seconds till announce.
[13:50] <[SySteM]> yes i find it sorry :)
[13:50] <weuxel> DDave: what... there is a debian on the download page
[13:50] <DDave> 1) For the lulz and 2) to learn something. Also 3) I dont need X and so on..
[13:50] <DDave> and I dont feel like apt-removing it..everytime I "flash"
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[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> [SySteM], no need to apologise.... this isn't ##c++ or anything.
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, is this what you're after? http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap
[13:54] <DDave> Maybe..Havent been searching in depth yet
[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> though I warn you, getting a stable rootfs is a pain and doesn't feel like an accomplishment.... just a massive time vampire.
[13:54] <DDave> everything I need should be in the github no?
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> no, github just has what you need for th kernel
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> last time I checked anyway
[13:55] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: yes, far easier to just debootstrap from an existing image or a qemu-system-arm image
[13:56] <DDave> hm, then how did the guys at rasppi do it?
[13:56] <Caver> has anyone got a email from them yet?
[13:56] <DDave> Well, I guess I could just make all my changes, and make a backup of the sd card..
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, yes a few people mentioned it
[13:57] <Caver> clicks refresh
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, might be a good idea to diff the stock arm debian rootfs and compare it to the one they released.... I think it might be the same thing, just with a few changes.
[13:57] <DDave> Sounds like good learning though doesnt it ShiftPlusOne ?
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[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, I thought so, but I think 'linux from scratch' is better learning... it's properly documented.
[13:59] <DDave> mh, but its funnier if its target is the rasppi :)
[13:59] <DDave> heh..dunno if I should get one tomorrow or not
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> if that's the sort of thing you want to learn.... I don't have fond memories fiddling with openembedded, buildroot, gentoo's crossdev thing or any of that
[14:00] <friggle> debootstrap is easy enough. I debootstrapped a Debian sid rootfs (I didn't much like the idea of downloading someone elses rootfs they randomly uploaded, though I can see it saves time)
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> debian has a good netinstall which does pretty much the same thing, doesn't it?
[14:01] <DDave> hold obn
[14:01] <DDave> on*
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[14:01] <DDave> I can just use the netinst for arm on the rasppi?
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[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but you don't get whatever changes the foundation made to it. and you'll have to modify the netinstall initrd image and kernel to make sure the raspberry pi can boot it
[14:02] <mjr> arranging for the netinst to boot is probably the hardest thing
[14:03] <friggle> this gets you a rootfs http://pastebin.com/VCitVSaN
[14:03] <friggle> but the vchiq stuff won't be needed now, as vchiq is compiled into the kernel
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[14:03] <DDave> thanks
[14:03] <friggle> and there's no need for vcfiled
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, mind if I steal that info perhaps?
[14:05] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: no problem (feel free to credit me, Alex Bradbury if you wish), but some details will have changed since I wrote those notes
[14:05] <friggle> e.g. on the current kernel usb0 is eth0
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[14:05] <DDave> friggle: got a blog or osmething where you post this kind of stuff?
[14:06] <DDave> something*
[14:06] <friggle> DDave: no, afraid not
[14:06] <ShiftPlusOne> so I get to steal it for mine... muhaha
[14:06] <DDave> ShiftPlusOne: send me the link ;)
[14:07] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: also /etc/fstab might want ext4 for the root partition now. I didn't check if Dom and Gray are using ext4 now
[14:07] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: if you want me to check over a draft before you post I'd be happy to do so, but I won't have time to run through the process on check on a raspberry pi. It should all work fine in qemu-system-arm
[14:07] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: what's your site?
[14:07] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I just put that site up so it looks like crap... I just copy/pasted my previous tutorials on it without formatting them properly. Just letting google index it roughly before posting anything proper
[14:08] <DDave> cmooon, gief link!
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> never!
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> http://xecdesign.com/
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> not happy with that header image at all
[14:09] <DDave> looks liek shit
[14:09] <DDave> Id drop the "metalic" header
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[14:09] <DDave> and go for something in that gray header, make it bigger
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I was logging it to drop the header just as you said it =)
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[14:11] <huene> wiiguy: 19
[14:11] <huene> wiiguy: nevermind, typo ...
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[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, does the 'speedy machine' need to be ARM?
[14:16] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: nope.
[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, ah great
[14:17] <friggle> and when I say at the end "rewrite card" I think I just meant deleting everything other than /sid_rootfs and moving contents of sid_rootfs to be the new root (which I did just by plugging in the SD card to my laptop)
[14:18] <friggle> or you can wipe everything on the old root and extract rootfs_sid_armel_blank_20_09_11.tar.bz2 or whatever you called it
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, would you like (friggle) by your name or just your name?
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[14:20] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: just my name, friggle isn't really a moniker I'm known by :)
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, I'll type it up once I help my friend with her job application
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://pieministerpies.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/ready-for-a-pie-drop-for-british-pie-week/
[14:24] <friggle> so British Pie Week is 10 days?
[14:25] <friggle> and doesn't even include Pi Day
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[14:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
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[14:26] <octeris> so can we assume the 0600 GMT thing is the actual sale via http://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/174222087433621504 ?
[14:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes I think so ......
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[14:32] <pingec> I bet the site will be down 0545 GMT
[14:32] <octeris> pingec: seems almost guaranteed :)
[14:32] <Caver> they're changing it to static page only, to try and cope!
[14:32] <Caver> no database to fall over
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[14:33] <octeris> Caver: how is the static page going to handle actual purchasing?
[14:33] <pingec> yeah?
[14:33] <Caver> I expect it will be a link to the shop server!
[14:33] <huene> the shop is on a different page
[14:33] <pingec> oh
[14:33] <Caver> on a completely different system
[14:33] <sifi|work> morning folks
[14:33] <octeris> so that page will be down at 5:45 gmt
[14:33] <octeris> lol
[14:33] <pingec> no
[14:34] <pingec> cause it won be published until 0600
[14:34] <stuk_gen> 06:00:05
[14:34] <stuk_gen> :)
[14:34] <octeris> 0605 then
[14:34] <octeris> lol
[14:34] <pingec> the problem will be getting the linkg to the shop then
[14:34] <pingec> is there a low bandwidth browser
[14:34] <pingec> that like doesnt dl images and stuff
[14:35] <weuxel> links
[14:35] <Vazde> links? :p
[14:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> elinks
[14:35] * Caver hasn't been this excited in month
[14:35] <Caver> s
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[14:41] <lukano> hooooly bigger channr
[14:41] <lukano> channel than i had expected
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[14:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> I remember when it was all fields
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[14:44] <chris_99> lol
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[14:54] <tero> is it out yet?
[14:54] <PiBot> tero: 16 hours, 6 minutes and 2 seconds till announce.
[14:55] <jwh1981> Does anyone intend to run their pi with normal batteries? Im curious as to whether it will run for a pretty long time on 4x Alkaline D batteries
[14:55] <Caver> careful 4x D cells = 6V ... max for a Pi is I think 5.25V ...
[14:55] <Caver> so you'd need a regulator
[14:56] <jwh1981> That was another concern I had Caver
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[14:56] <Simon-> I intend to use one of these: http://www.thebatteryshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/thebatteryshop/images/np24-12i-yuasa-12v-24ah-lead-acid-battery-305-p.jpg
[14:56] <Caver> but with a regulator ... days depending on what you've got connected to it,usb/display wise
[14:56] <slaeshjag> You could hook up a few more in series and add a switched step-down
[14:56] <Caver> Simon-, ok 12V though, so you'd defo need a psu of somekind
[14:56] <jwh1981> If it only draws 700ma or so, 4x high mAH D batteries should run for quite awhile
[14:57] <Simon-> you could use 4 rechargeable batteries, those have lower voltages
[14:57] <jwh1981> Thats very true
[14:57] <Caver> yeah ... that gets you 4.8V ... as they are 1.2 cells?
[14:57] <Caver> which is just in tollerance
[14:58] <Caver> assuming NiCd or NiMH
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[15:00] <Ruairi> Simon-: Could you use one of those batteries as extra power for a standard laptop potentially?
[15:00] <Simon-> Ruairi: -potentially, yes
[15:01] <Caver> not unless you have the car power supply - usually they plug in to a cigaratte lighter
[15:01] <Simon-> there's not much I can't do with it...
[15:02] <Simon-> I have a PSU that can power external HDDs using it
[15:02] <Caver> :)
[15:03] <Simon-> the only thing I haven't tried is powering a 48V VOIP phone from it, that would be a bit silly
[15:03] <jwh1981> I'm actually interested in using a big latern battery to power it for hours (or days): http://www.zbattery.com/Duracell-Alkaline-MN918-6V-27Ah-Screw-Top-Lantern-Battery
[15:04] <Caver> well 0.7A on a 27Ah battery is going to be a long while!
[15:04] <jwh1981> Yea, we're talking 40+ hours
[15:05] <Simon-> maybe
[15:05] <jwh1981> or literally 54 hours if the draw is consistently 500ma
[15:05] <jwh1981> talk about a robust battery backup :)
[15:05] <Simon-> the battery will have a different efficiency depending on the current you draw
[15:06] <jwh1981> very true Simon, Ill have to research to see what current draw its actually rating 27AH for
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[15:08] <Caver> true, but remember if you have a regulator, you can suck it down to quite a low voltage
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[15:09] <victhor> depends on the load they used to rate the battery capacity... if the load is lower than the load used to rate the battery capacity, iirc the capacity increases
[15:09] <victhor> I might be wrong though
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[15:11] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[15:11] <PiBot> mrdragons: 15 hours, 48 minutes and 53 seconds till announce.
[15:11] <Caver> well 27Ah is lots
[15:11] <mrdragons> ^^^____^^^
[15:13] <koaschten_> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars
[15:13] <koaschten_> (cotton candy)
[15:14] <Caver> not cheap though!
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[15:14] <Christian3> $199 DAFUQ :D:D
[15:15] <mrdragons> Sounds like vaporware. :P
[15:15] <mrdragons> But yeah, I'm not paying $200 dollars for that. I'd buy a pandaboard, has much more on it.
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, by the way, is that how the 'official' image was made, or are there extra mods in the released image?
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[15:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> get 4 rpi's for that
[15:19] <stuk_gen> why this is 199$ and raspberry is 35$ ?
[15:20] <weuxel> stuk_gen: Corporation vs. Foundation
[15:21] <stuk_gen> bha... i don't understand this way of operating
[15:21] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: no that's not how the official image was made, just how I made my image :)
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[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[15:22] <ukscone> lolololololol wife went to workwearing one of her sneakers and one of mine. it wouldn't be too bad except her's a 3 sizes smaller than mine so i can't just wear hers
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> how the hell would you no notice that O_o
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[15:23] <ukscone> well i didn't need mine until just now and she is always half asleep when she leaves for work
[15:23] <ukscone> and she had thick socks on today so probably didn't flop about that much
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> it was more of a rhetorical question.... designed to make you think... to find some deeper meaning in all of this mess.
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[15:33] <phoque> koaschten_, they have 2 threads on their forum
[15:33] <phoque> and all their images are renderings, including the size-comparison-ruler
[15:33] <phoque> total fake
[15:34] <koaschten_> yeah just wanted to show the irony of announcing preorders a day before pi
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[16:00] <stuk_gen> is it out yet?
[16:00] <PiBot> stuk_gen: 15 hours,27 seconds till announce.
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[16:02] <curahack> nice
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[16:23] <tero> is it out yet?
[16:23] <PiBot> tero: 14 hours, 37 minutes and 33 seconds till announce.
[16:23] <tero> damn
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[16:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> ffs it's now on slickdeals - this means pain
[16:24] <Gustavo_Fring> yeah, that sucks
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[16:25] <kyzz> everyone readyyyy
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[16:25] <Gustavo_Fring> worst is they're saying it's advertised as a htpc and they'll be using relatives to get around the limits
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[16:26] <mkopack> Hey gang
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[16:26] <Hopsy> and is it out yet?
[16:26] <PiBot> Hopsy: 14 hours, 34 minutes and 12 seconds till announce.
[16:26] <mkopack> Gust?
[16:26] <Hopsy> no way?!
[16:26] <Hopsy> and is it out yet?
[16:26] <PiBot> Hopsy: 14 hours, 34 minutes and 0 seconds till announce.
[16:26] <Hopsy> and is it out yet?
[16:26] <PiBot> Hopsy: 14 hours, 33 minutes and 56 seconds till announce.
[16:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> !ticker will do it
[16:26] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: 14 hours, 33 minutes and 51 seconds till announce.
[16:27] <Hopsy> I am making accounts etc.
[16:27] <mkopack> I think the important thing is that they can TRY to use relatives and such, but given how slammed the server will be, there's NO guarantee they'll get in to get more than 1.
[16:27] <mkopack> As opposed to 1 person getting in and being able to order 15 of them
[16:27] <Hopsy> NOOO
[16:27] <Hopsy> I am working at that timestamp!
[16:27] <Hopsy> FML
[16:28] <Hopsy> fuck my live
[16:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> you'll not get one anyway
[16:28] <mkopack> And there's a damn good chance that unless you have the relatives all trying to log in at the same time, there's a good chance that even if you do get in to get 1, by the time you try to use your 2nd or 3rd account, they'll be sold out.
[16:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> we've got about a 1 in 10k chance
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[16:29] <mkopack> (And man, it's amazing how STUPID the people on the forums are that they can't put 1+1 together from the posts and comments to realize that the 6am tomorrow thing is the actual "for sale" time??? geesh...)
[16:29] <Hopsy> how faster your internet is, how bigger the chance :D
[16:29] <mkopack> Ratt: Much less than that actually.
[16:29] <mkopack> you have a 10,000 / # people trying to buy chance.
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> after 2 mins the sales site is going to be dead
[16:30] <mkopack> yeah, probably
[16:30] <Hopsy> # people trying to buy - hopsy = more chance :(
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> it will probably be dead from 05;45
[16:30] <mkopack> think I'm going to bed early tonight and setting the alarm for 20 minutes before the sale time to get up and get logged in
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[16:30] <Hopsy> lol mkopack
[16:30] <mrdragons> It's only 1am EST, so I'll still be up by then
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> I wonder if i shoudl try and get into work and use the 1Gb line ...
[16:31] <Hopsy> I wil use all of my browsers
[16:31] <Hopsy> Just in case
[16:31] <Hopsy> lol RaspberryPiBot
[16:31] <Hopsy> lol RaTTuS|BIG *
[16:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[16:31] <mkopack> dragons: Yeah, same here, but I was up till 1am last night watching the Daytona 500 (crazy damn race!) so I'm BEAT right now
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[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm - 30+ machines 1st one that conencts buy ......
[16:32] <mkopack> Not sure I can do it 2 nights in a row
[16:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> mkopack sleep now ...
[16:32] <mkopack> Well, ti's not just connects, but actually need the server to stay up and host pages throughout the buy process. good luck with that!
[16:32] <mkopack> Can't. @ Work
[16:32] <mkopack> and I have some grad school work to do tonight as well
[16:33] <mkopack> almost took the day off, but need to save days off for finals week in a couple weeks
[16:35] <stuk_gen> if i can't buy tomorrow i can try to buy on ebay
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[16:36] <LiENUS> i heard they redid the raspi with an 8080 cpu
[16:36] <mkopack> stuk: Or you could just wait another week or two and order from the next batch and not get raped on ebay markup...
[16:36] <LiENUS> thats the announcement for tomorrow
[16:37] <LiENUS> they're throwing away the arm ones and not selling them
[16:37] <mkopack> Anyone actually get the mailing list email yet? I haven't seen it
[16:37] <stuk_gen> mkopack: lol 2 3 weeks...i think the next is from 2 3 moths :P
[16:37] <LiENUS> i was just about to ask that mko
[16:37] <mkopack> but then, could have been eaten by a spam filter
[16:38] <mkopack> stuk: No, they've said that it's going to be pretty much an immediate order from the fab for another batch, and continuous production here on out.
[16:38] <LiENUS> i dont see it in my spam folder
[16:38] <dattaway> Bad news. They are already sold out.
[16:38] <stuk_gen> ok but if i found on ebay at a good price i will buy
[16:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sThcwmx3rs&sns=fb <- so funny becasuse it true
[16:39] <LiENUS> dattaway, pretty much
[16:39] <dattaway> The next batch should be in by Christmas
[16:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's a rolling production system so the next lot will be a lot faster
[16:46] <mkopack> Exactly. I'm betting the next batch will be out before end of March if not earlier
[16:47] <mkopack> The hardest setup is getting the pick and place robots programmed. Now that they have the program, it's just a matter of getting all the parts flowing into the factory on a regular basis and have them come off the assembly line
[16:50] <pingec> theyll need a lot of ppl to send out 10k parcels lol
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[16:52] <ReggieUK> that's down to the resellers
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[16:59] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: It's a charity.
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: They are unlikely to have venture capital available to simply order another batch of 10K.
[17:00] <mkopack> Speed: I'm only repeating what Liz has posted in the past
[17:00] <mkopack> They don't seem to be hurting for capital.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: K
[17:00] <mkopack> they've been turning away investors who have been interested
[17:00] * SpeedEvil checks the charity commission.
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[17:00] <ReggieUK> they also raised a reasonable sum of money through the auction too
[17:00] <ReggieUK> what did that raise in the end? 20-30k?
[17:01] <ReggieUK> of course I Do realise that that's not enough to kick off a 100k run :D
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> pingec: you don't really need many people. Do it right, and it's 500/worker/day.
[17:02] <mkopack> And as long as they can be sure of continued demand, they don't usually have to pay for all of the production up front??? It'll just turn into a rolling production and payment system.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[17:03] <mkopack> The way many small companies do it is secure a loan against their accounts receivables to float them the money they need to operate and continue while waiting for those funds to come in from their customers.
[17:03] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[17:03] <PiBot> aditsu: 13 hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds till announce.
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[17:04] <mkopack> It's basically a credit line, that gets taken out of when they need to pay some bill, and then added to when they receive payments.
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[17:04] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> Looking on the charity commission website - it looks likely they'll file a set of accounts this year, in a month or two.
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1129409&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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[17:05] <traeak> hmm
[17:06] <traeak> isitoutyet
[17:06] <traeak> hmm
[17:06] * SpeedEvil whips it out and shows it to the channel.
[17:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> !ticker
[17:06] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: 13 hours, 54 minutes and 21 seconds till announce.
[17:06] <traeak> probalby just announcing when sales will happen in another month
[17:06] <traeak> http://imgur.com/vVkPb
[17:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> traeak ok dont bother then
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[17:11] <ReggieUK> j/k
[17:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> 2010 ;-p
[17:11] <traeak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZYIy2szkIY
[17:12] <piofcube> From experience I would think that the first 2 reports reflect the fact that the trustees were using their own money so this could not be included in the accounts.
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[17:14] <traeak> cool forums are toast
[17:16] <mod_eerf> traeak: "take a sad song and make it worse"
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[17:18] <traeak> mod_eerf: hehehe, applying anime to the beetles
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[17:19] <mod_eerf> any of you guys use mplayer via command line? I found a nice command utilizing youtube-dl and mplayer to stream vids via command line.
[17:19] <traeak> mplayer -af volnorm <video>
[17:20] <Hopsy> !ticker
[17:20] <PiBot> Hopsy: 13 hours, 40 minutes and 34 seconds till announce.
[17:20] <hotwings> mod_eerf - i use mplayer (mplayer2 actually) via command line
[17:20] <mod_eerf> traeak: that doesn't work for me...gives me invalid seek.
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[17:21] <mod_eerf> mplayer -cookies -cookies-file /tmp/cookie.txt $(youtube-dl -g --cookies /tmp/cookie.txt "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTOSvEX-YeY")
[17:21] <mod_eerf> replace vid url with whatever you like
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[17:27] <mod_eerf> Shell script I use to make it more seamless. http://pastebin.com/MEwhe9tk
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[17:32] <Hopsy> mod_eerf: what does it do?
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[17:33] <mod_eerf> when you save as playit (for example)... you can type "playit" in command line... then it waits for you to type or paste youtube url...then press enter and it streams it via mplayer instead of utilizing youtube website and god awful Flash.
[17:34] <mod_eerf> requires mplayer and youtube-dl ...both available in repos if not already installed with your distro.
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[17:34] <mod_eerf> the "-vf screenshot" part allows you to pause and press s to take a screenshot, which I like having the ability to do, if I wish.
[17:37] <mod_eerf> the cookies part creates the obligatory cookie to access youtube, I just like having more control over youtube via mplayer... slow motion, freeze frame by frame, screenshot...etc. makes the vids more pliable.
[17:37] <pingec> !ticker
[17:37] <PiBot> pingec: 13 hours, 22 minutes and 43 seconds till announce.
[17:38] <mrdragons> !ticker
[17:38] <PiBot> mrdragons: 13 hours, 21 minutes and 47 seconds till announce.
[17:39] <pingec> what if...
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[17:39] <pingec> tmorrow i wake up early in the morning to try buy a rpi
[17:39] <pingec> only to find out my isp is down :o
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[17:39] <pingec> I better get a backup link :>
[17:40] <mrdragons> Your neighbors internet. :3
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[17:44] <traeak> pingec safe bet you wont' get one anyways
[17:44] <pingec> :(
[17:45] <traeak> just have to wait is all
[17:45] <mod_eerf> !ticker
[17:45] <PiBot> mod_eerf: 13 hours, 14 minutes and 58 seconds till announce.
[17:46] <traeak> !w
[17:46] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Tue Feb 28 10:53:00 2012. Temp -1??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 72%, Later 10??C - -6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[17:49] <tero> !ticker
[17:49] <PiBot> tero: 13 hours, 11 minutes and 14 seconds till announce.
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[17:56] <stuk_gen> is it out yet?
[17:56] <PiBot> stuk_gen: 13 hours, 4 minutes and 16 seconds till announce.
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[17:56] <Jeija> !ticker
[17:56] <PiBot> Jeija: 13 hours, 3 minutes and 44 seconds till announce.
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[17:58] <mrdragons> !ticker
[17:58] <PiBot> mrdragons: 13 hours, 2 minutes and 10 seconds till announce.
[17:58] <traeak> oh geez
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[18:06] <mjr> mod_eerf, thanks, that's a nifty youtube-streamer
[18:06] <zear> pardon me guys if this was answered many times before, but: what is the price tag for tomorrow's first batch? $35 or will it be the "buy one, give one" kind of thing, so $70?
[18:06] <mod_eerf> my pleasure
[18:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> zear $35 + shipping
[18:07] <rob_> what is that in gbp?
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[18:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> there will probably be a donation page also
[18:07] <piofcube> If it does go on sale tomorrow LOL
[18:08] <zear> RaTTuS|BIG, ah, good to know
[18:08] <zear> thanks
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> about ??25
[18:08] <rob_> ??22.03
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[18:08] <Dagger3> +20% VAT in the EU
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes vat also on shipping
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> though not for out of EU peoples
[18:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> so your lookin at approx ??30 for a UK version
[18:10] <rob_> so is everyone going to be on IRC at 5:45am?
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> IYSWIM
[18:10] <DaQatz> Hey everyone stop hammering the site so I can!
[18:10] <DaQatz> ;)
[18:10] <rob_> i read the news item today at midnight and then immediately set my alarm, woke up at this morning at 5:45 came on irc and was confused as to why it was empty..
[18:10] <stuk_gen> i go out boys good luck for tomorrow bye!
[18:10] <Dagger3> may as well just make it ??35: wouldn't want to break the "$1 = ??1" convention for tech items now, would we?
[18:11] <mod_eerf> good lucks guys....gotta run too
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[18:13] <Simon-> US shipping should make it end up equal
[18:13] <zear> oh wait, so that $35 is without VAT?
[18:13] <xenoxaos> how much will us shipping end up?
[18:13] <br0kenpipe> "buy" a sticker and check it out
[18:13] <ReggieUK> $35 same a fedex/ups
[18:14] <ReggieUK> is what it should be
[18:14] <ReggieUK> so you usa peeps can feel our pain
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[18:14] <ReggieUK> or should we do australian shipping?
[18:14] <zear> i remember them mentioning the shipping will cost next to nothing because of the small size
[18:14] <zear> of the rpi
[18:14] <rob_> how much is uk shipping?
[18:14] <ReggieUK> about ??3-4 I believe
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> zear you wont have to pay VAT if you are outside of the EU
[18:14] <rob_> or.. uk wheeling..?
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[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> rob_ we don't know yet ,,,,
[18:14] <zear> RaTTuS|BIG, i am inside EU ;)
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha right
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> then you will ahve to pay
[18:15] <rob_> i wonder what the likelyhood of getting one is
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> low ...
[18:15] <rob_> any estimates on the amount of buyers?
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> magic eight bay says very low
[18:15] <rob_> they should let everyone sign up and then do a lottery
[18:15] <zear> RaTTuS|BIG, why didn't they mention that before? I don't think i'll be buying it if the price will raise by 20%
[18:15] <DaQatz> well the mailing list has 100k+ people on it
[18:15] <rob_> then people wouldnt get stressed :)
[18:15] <rob_> like i am..
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[18:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/vat#p40902 <- VAT
[18:18] <zear> that's a pity
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[18:18] <rob_> zear: you think paying an extra few pounds means it's not worth it?
[18:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> not really
[18:18] <zear> RaTTuS|BIG, how do they calculate the vat? By UK VAT or the country of order VAT?
[18:18] <ReggieUK> and it's not like they haven't mentioned it before
[18:19] <ReggieUK> It's not their fault if people can't be arsed to read the forums/faqs
[18:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> UK VAT - place of sale i.e. 20%
[18:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> you would still spend less on a night out
[18:19] <zear> so the final price will be circa. $42 + shipment
[18:19] <zear> rob_, not "not worth", but it definitely raises the price
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[18:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> where do you live
[18:20] <ReggieUK> sounds about right
[18:20] <zear> and if your country's currency is few times weaker than EUR/USD/GBP, then it matters to you ;)
[18:20] <ReggieUK> I wonder if they'll do any collect in person rates
[18:20] <zear> RaTTuS|BIG, me? Poland
[18:20] <ReggieUK> zear, not going to shed a tear about that
[18:20] <Aquilus_> Why would a weaker currency matter at all?
[18:20] <zear> ReggieUK, i'm not complaining, just saying it matters to me ;)
[18:20] <Aquilus_> What matters is your buying power.
[18:21] <zear> Aquilus_, i guess i meant the buying power
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> grrr - gotot go a fix a server
[18:21] <mrdragons> Have fun
[18:23] <zear> Aquilus_, i think the currency status also matters, because if it's value is dropping compared to EUR/USD, it means i will have to pay more
[18:23] <ReggieUK> not going to matter to me either way
[18:23] <ReggieUK> I won't be getting one tomorrow
[18:23] <ReggieUK> a. I have no money
[18:23] <zear> ReggieUK, and who said it should? ;)
[18:23] <ReggieUK> b. I won't be getting up at 6am
[18:23] <rob_> i'll get one
[18:23] <Aquilus_> zear: Yes, if it's weakening. Not if it's just weaker, though :p
[18:23] <rob_> then celebrate by going back to sleep
[18:24] <zear> Aquilus_, not if it's static, i agree
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[18:41] <lennard> mmmm bacon
[18:41] <Caver> chocolate
[18:41] <Caver> wonder if you can order them predipped
[18:42] <hotwings> lennard +1
[18:42] <lennard> now I wish I had some
[18:42] <hotwings> i had some applewood smoke bacon just the other day
[18:42] <hotwings> it was DELICIOUS
[18:43] <lennard> I can only imagine
[18:43] * Caver is going to have to go shopping on the way home and it's all your fault
[18:44] <lennard> glad to be of service :)
[18:44] <Jeija> !ticker
[18:44] <PiBot> Jeija: 12 hours, 16 minutes and 28 seconds till announce.
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[18:44] <rvalles> so only 1 per person?
[18:44] <Caver> yes
[18:44] <rvalles> seesh, I was hoping for at least a couple.
[18:45] <Caver> to try and stop too much scalping
[18:45] <rvalles> I guess I can get more later if need be.
[18:45] <lennard> you could probably get more in a next batch
[18:45] <rvalles> yeah, it's no big thing.
[18:45] <rvalles> they want to get to as many devs as possible
[18:45] <rvalles> in order to make it the most useful.
[18:46] <lennard> the site is a bit overloaded, isnt it? :)
[18:47] <Caver> lol well luckily they're going to static page and no database for tomorrow
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[18:48] <mtrx> isn't the store running on a different server too?
[18:48] <mtrx> so that should be alright
[18:48] <Caver> well this is all guess work
[18:48] <Caver> I don't know!
[18:48] <jmontleon> upgrayedd; apache 2.4 cause it's faster
[18:49] <Caver> static pages are very fast
[18:49] <Caver> (comparatively)
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[18:49] <lennard> not just comparatively
[18:49] <Caver> ?
[18:50] <lennard> also absolutely! :P
[18:50] <lennard> however, you still need to configure the web server and os around it, for very large work loads
[18:50] <Caver> I'm not sure your point
[18:51] <lennard> never mind, its not that important ;)
[18:51] <Caver> wow .. currently running Apache 1.3.37 - http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=raspberrypi.org
[18:52] <rob_> 1337
[18:52] <lennard> 1337, but OLD
[18:52] <rob_> or not a real version number ;)
[18:52] <DDave> considering 2.4 is out..
[18:52] <DDave> yeah, and that
[18:53] <DDave> they can just compile it with a custom number ;)
[18:53] <Caver> well 2.4 is fairly new
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[18:53] <lennard> well, 1.3 is the stuff that you didn't really want if you could help it 6 years ago
[18:53] <lennard> so... yeah :)
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[18:54] <Caver> hehehe you forget ... linux/debian is good at supporting things for a *long* time
[18:54] <Caver> once it's stable ... just keep applying security patches
[18:54] <lennard> not *this* bad :P
[18:54] <Caver> of course netcraft could be wrong!
[18:55] <lennard> could be
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[18:56] <lennard> I don't remember the methods to find out :)
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[19:00] <lennard> oh wait I remember
[19:00] <lennard> unless the server is actively lying, netcraft is correct ;)
[19:01] <lennard> kinda interesting, since the rest of the software isnt all that old
[19:01] <mkopack> Ok, yeah, so for the folks worried about the lead time for the "2nd" batch - https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/173841654451666944
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[19:02] <rm> I say 2 weeks MINIMUM
[19:02] <Caver> they normally do it, by making a invalid request and most servers will put a version number in the 404 message
[19:02] <mkopack> rm: Maybe for them to get enough built to ship out as a 2nd batch. But it won't be like months.
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[19:03] <mkopack> more like just a couple weeks.
[19:03] <Caver> yeah I think they can be confident in demand :)
[19:03] <mkopack> and that's assuming they don't constantly ship
[19:03] <rm> yah, for some reason I assumed it to be months
[19:03] <ReggieUK> it makes sense really
[19:03] <rm> maybe because the next thing they used to talk about "after the 1st batch", is the educational release in smmer
[19:03] <rm> in the summer*
[19:03] <ReggieUK> there are lots of people it would seem that want them for hobbyist work + other projects
[19:04] <ReggieUK> so get some money back in quick sharp
[19:04] <ReggieUK> make hay and all that
[19:04] <ReggieUK> I know it's not for profit
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[19:04] <mkopack> yeah, but that's just a milestone for when they want to have certain things achieved by - like CE certification, a case, printed documentation, etc.
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[19:04] <Caver> defo ... think they need to sell 30k of then to get their initial investment back
[19:04] <lennard> I honestly don't have a clue what I'm going to do with it once I get one
[19:04] <lennard> I'll figure something out :P
[19:04] <ReggieUK> but it makes sense to pull in as much revenue before you do the edu release
[19:04] <Caver> LOL no?
[19:04] <ReggieUK> would it have enough groundswell by the edu release to drop prices further
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[19:05] <nullspoon> Well, I'm certainly planning on a storage server
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[19:05] * nullspoon is stoked
[19:05] <ReggieUK> that is certainly the best news I've had all week anyhow
[19:06] <lennard> what is?
[19:06] <ReggieUK> now I can save up bottle tops to get one in the '2nd batch'
[19:06] <lennard> oh the followup time thing
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[19:06] <Caver> yay :)
[19:07] <lars_t_h> 500K on the Ras Pi mailing list says one of my friends
[19:09] <Caver> one of your friends, what?
[19:09] <lennard> it does make one wonder how this friend would know ;)
[19:10] <lennard> although since its a wordpress it cant be too hard to hack ;)
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[19:16] <Aquilus_> Last thing I heard it was 100k
[19:16] <Aquilus_> That was several weeks ago, though.
[19:16] <curahack> mailinglist??? I've never gotten one email from them :O
[19:16] <Aquilus_> I haven't gotten one either.
[19:16] <mtrx> same
[19:16] <Aquilus_> Apparently, getting the mails out to all the subscribers is taking a while :p
[19:16] <Caver> ditto
[19:17] <Caver> which I think might cause some upset
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[19:18] <mkopack> cur: They said they'd ONLY use the mailing list to send out the "it's coming out on this day/time" message. That's all???.
[19:18] <OneFix_Work> Alright, that's just irresponsible :)
[19:18] <mkopack> ?
[19:18] <mkopack> How so?
[19:18] <lennard> erm
[19:18] <Caver> OneFix_Work, what?
[19:18] <mkopack> they didn't want to be spamming the list with messages all the time. It's just to notify when the device is coming out
[19:19] <OneFix_Work> That's ac bad as saying "everyone DDOS the server at 6am GMT"
[19:19] <lennard> the announcement that a big announcement was going to come in !ticker time supposedly was sent out on the mailing list
[19:19] <lennard> twitter said so!
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[19:20] <mtrx> did anyone get a confirmation mail when they applied for the mailing list?
[19:20] <OneFix_Work> What's the odds that by 6:01am GMT, the server will catch fire :)
[19:20] <Caver> well we might all get up early tomorrow for it to say "the Pi can be bought at xx time"
[19:20] <mkopack> OneFix: The ethernet cables will probably melt
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[19:21] <Caver> maybe they'll drip them in chocolate to protect
[19:21] <Caver> *dip
[19:21] <Caver> though dripping works too
[19:21] <OneFix_Work> Caver: I highly doubt it...the announcement time kind of points to the product being available for purchase
[19:22] <Caver> maybe ... but ... time will tell
[19:22] <lennard> OneFix_Work: says who? :)
[19:22] <Caver> I just know I'm going to be too excited to sleep, and then finally doze off at 5am, to neatly sleep through the Alarm at 6
[19:23] <lennard> I'll probably have drank too much beer to wake up in time ;)
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[19:24] <OneFix_Work> lennard: I'll just say that there are so many excited posts that if it isn't available for purchase, there's probably going to be a revolt :)
[19:24] <hotwings> [10:19:49] <mtrx> did anyone get a confirmation mail when they applied for the mailing list? <-- yes
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[19:24] <mtrx> i got nada, hmm
[19:24] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - well, thats what happens when people get ahead of themselves
[19:25] <hotwings> im not going to be excited until theres something to be excited about
[19:25] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Yea, but there also haven't been any other announcements where they waited to announce it...
[19:25] <hotwings> ill laugh if the announcement is 'rpis arrived, we will now begin further testing'
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[19:26] <mrdragons> you're kinda pessimistic, huh? :P
[19:26] <hotwings> not at all.. i just dont prematurely ejaculate
[19:26] <Kuba> is it out yet?
[19:26] <PiBot> Kuba: 11 hours, 33 minutes and 54 seconds till announce.
[19:26] <DaQatz> It's likely to be "*BLANK* is the order date!" or "You can buy them now."
[19:26] <lennard> Kuba: troll much? :)
[19:27] <Kuba> lennard: checking timer ;)
[19:27] <DaQatz> More likely they are announcing the order date
[19:27] <lennard> fair enough ;)
[19:27] <Caver> well they do say it's good news
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[19:27] <mrdragons> I'm still going to be up at 1 to check. >_>
[19:27] <Caver> perhaps someone's written a X driver
[19:27] <lennard> well, the buzz created would help
[19:27] <Caver> or broadcom are open sourcing the blob
[19:27] <mrdragons> XD
[19:27] <lennard> but there really isnt any other use of the added mob run on websites
[19:28] <hotwings> caver - that would be better news than an order date
[19:28] <Caver> mob run?
[19:28] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Like I said, I don't think they would be dumb enough to announce something like that at 6am...since people would be really upset if they pulled something like that
[19:28] <lennard> Caver: the thing that will happen in 11 hours and 30-some minutes :)
[19:28] <jardiamj> is it out yet?
[19:28] <PiBot> jardiamj: 11 hours, 31 minutes and 53 seconds till announce.
[19:28] <nullspoon> imagine if slashdot or ars makes a post about this announcement
[19:28] <lennard> one big mob running at the web servers
[19:29] <Caver> oh don't get me wrong, I hope not too ... just saying .. don't count chickens!
[19:29] <jardiamj> I like this bot...
[19:29] <mrdragons> Why would it be dumb to release it early in the day?
[19:29] <DaQatz> I posted a vid on the forums that was a dev's perspective on binary blobs. And how the end up costing more time and money then people expect.
[19:29] <DaQatz> But got locked fast.
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[19:29] <lennard> OneFix_Work: the specific time doesn't really matter
[19:29] <OneFix_Work> nullspoon: I actually expect it to hit /. soon
[19:29] <lennard> there will always be time zones who aren't pleased
[19:30] <Caver> DaQatz, got a link for the video?
[19:30] <nullspoon> OneFix_Work : It wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure with all the slashdotters out there someone is bound to report on it. Perhaps I will. ;)
[19:31] <sharktamer> They do say you'll be disappointed if you miss it
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[19:32] <DaQatz> Caver, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1WDrhL-vUIs%C2%A0
[19:33] <Caver> so being against binary blobs you will of course not be purchasing one I hope? :P
[19:34] <DaQatz> I don't like them particularly, but I'm not a zealot.
[19:34] <Caver> nods
[19:34] <Stskeeps> blobs vs enjoying slideshow graphics.. hmm
[19:34] <Stskeeps> :P
[19:35] <mkopack> (ugh, I have staff meetings.. always SOOOO boring. Thank god the rest of the office is in a different state so I get to just listen over the phone and can surf the web during it)
[19:35] <MrWatson> is it out yet
[19:35] <PiBot> MrWatson: 11 hours, 25 minutes and 18 seconds till announce.
[19:35] <DaQatz> The primary issue is that they are not necessary. It slows down the dev cycle a lot. Even on the commercial side.
[19:36] <Caver> I thought it was a stupid patents at dawn thing
[19:36] <DaQatz> They are an effect of to many lawyers, who don't really understand the tech.
[19:37] <DaQatz> Often it is.
[19:37] <Caver> I don't understand ... there is no way (that I see anyway) that the foundation can oblige the maker of the SoC to release anything they don't want too
[19:38] <DaQatz> The foundation can't as far as I know.\
[19:39] <DaQatz> If enough of the companies buying complained bitterly, then MAYBE they would budge on that. But not likely.
[19:39] <mrdragons> Eben worked one the chip, so he might have a little bit of persuation with that
[19:39] <mrdragons> on*
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[19:42] <traeak> !w
[19:42] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Tue Feb 28 12:53:00 2012. Temp 0??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 92%, Later 10??C - -6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:44] <Caver> well in global sales terms ... the RPi foundation are rather small, so I doubt it
[19:45] <Caver> though ... if they sell like hot cakes as expected ... this may change LOL
[19:45] <DaQatz> I think even if the foundation is selling millions of units a year.
[19:45] <DaQatz> They still will be unable to get the SOC maker to budge.
[19:46] <hotwings> of course not
[19:46] <DaQatz> Now if they asked, then switched SOC makers, then asked the second one...
[19:46] <hotwings> it wouldnt matter if they sold 10mil a year
[19:46] <DaQatz> The second SOC may budge.
[19:46] <Caver> possible ... though would be a *huge* ball ache for everyone having 2 designs of Pi out there
[19:46] <hotwings> nope
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[19:47] <hotwings> theres not a single reference case where this has happened
[19:47] <lennard> therefor it can never happen?
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[19:47] <lennard> I like your version of logic :P
[19:47] <hotwings> that right there tells you that you can forget it. its not good for business
[19:47] <lennard> I agree with you though
[19:47] <Caver> therefore it is unlikely it will happen
[19:47] <Caver> no one said impossible
[19:48] <DaQatz> hotwings, since there is not single case you can't say that
[19:48] <DaQatz> being that no one has ever tried it.
[19:48] <traeak> chinese governmetn steps in and kick starts something pi-like
[19:48] <Caver> did anything ever happen with the open hardware graphics card?
[19:48] <Caver> I remember talk about it ages ago
[19:48] <traeak> hmm
[19:48] <hotwings> DaQatz - there have been past attempts. its not as if this is the first time the issue has come up
[19:49] <Caver> traeak, good luck reverse engineering a entire SoC!
[19:49] <ReggieUK> lol, so they finally sent out the mailing list post then to let everyone know
[19:49] <traeak> Caver: no need, rockchip and huawei both have far better SOCs
[19:49] <rm> there is the open VGA card
[19:49] <rm> but it's 2D only
[19:49] <rm> and not ready for end users atm
[19:49] <Caver> oooh
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[19:49] <Caver> link?
[19:50] <traeak> not saying they will....
[19:50] <Caver> right ... but then it's not compatible with a Pi ... and good luck selling that!
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[19:50] <hotwings> reversing an soc would be such a waste of resources
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[19:51] <traeak> Caver: being compatible with an rpi is probably irrelevant
[19:51] <rm> Caver, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Graphics_Project
[19:51] <Caver> erm
[19:51] <Caver> ok
[19:51] <traeak> armv7 is close enough
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[19:51] <rm> it costs a lot due to using FPGA and low volume of manufacture
[19:51] <Caver> OPG : bah still only at the dev phase then ... been ages now
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[19:52] <traeak> open graphics project doesn't really have a market
[19:52] <Caver> still ripping off the entire ARM chip design ... it'd be a brave company that tried it ... they'd be *huge* repercussions ..
[19:54] <mjr> that's why they pay protection money to ARM, as do all the other various ARM manufacturers
[19:54] <mjr> and yeah, low-level compatibility with the pi is pretty irrelevant for any potential competitor, or to later revisions of the pi itself
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[19:54] <Caver> I meant "the chinese government"
[19:55] <traeak> Caver: most companies in china are state owned
[19:55] <mjr> that's why open APIs are good even if in the Pi incarnation the implementations are nightmarishly proprietary
[19:55] <traeak> these companies: rockchip, huawei, Allwinner have arm licenses
[19:56] <mjr> China has so far seemed to concentrate on the MIPS side: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson
[19:56] <DaQatz> Mips isn't a bad cpu though
[19:56] <Caver> *sniggers* if you say so
[19:56] <DaQatz> Not as well develop as an arm mind you.
[19:56] <traeak> actually the jz4xxx series is more advanced than the loongson
[19:56] <traeak> mips is proven scalable
[19:56] <traeak> but mips scaled down and fragmented itself in that way
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[19:57] <traeak> mips has had 64bit for decades
[19:57] <rm> the Ingenic stuff is actually low power enough to be used in tablets and handhelds...
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[19:57] <traeak> and from what i udnerstand mips processors are more efficient than arm power wise
[19:57] <DaQatz> The PSP is mips
[19:57] <traeak> get more processing power per watt
[19:57] <rm> Loongson concentrates on a different aspect, e.g. quad core and supercomputing
[19:57] <DaQatz> It handles fine.
[19:57] <Caver> I thought PSP's etc ran rather hot?
[19:58] <DaQatz> Caver, they do run a little hot
[19:58] <Caver> no ... thats the PSP3/XBox 360
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[19:58] <DaQatz> those are PPC
[19:58] <Caver> yup ... duff memory!
[19:58] <traeak> licensing killt MIPs. arm got smart and started getting more aggressive about licensing. MIPS was pretty arrogant for too long and tried to charge way more
[19:58] <traeak> and poof, now arm dominates in mindshare
[19:59] <traeak> dreamcast and psp were mips
[19:59] <traeak> jz4770 (ainol paladin ?)
[19:59] <DaQatz> I thought dreamcast was SH4
[19:59] <traeak> problem with jz4770 is it uses a vivante gpu and doesn't have HDMI out
[19:59] <traeak> hmm
[19:59] <zgreg> PS1/PS2 use MIPS, too
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[19:59] <traeak> sh4 might be some mips variation
[20:00] <zgreg> traeak: no
[20:00] <traeak> ahh okay sry
[20:00] <zgreg> dreamcast indeed uses SH4, and that is a separate ISA
[20:01] <DaQatz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH
[20:02] <traeak> 16bit instruction size is pretty cool...
[20:02] <traeak> arm has more than a few different instruction sets
[20:02] <traeak> heh
[20:02] <DaQatz> Nods
[20:02] <DaQatz> A lot of the risc cpu's can do some interesting things.
[20:03] <traeak> can't wait for cpu manufacturing revolution resulting in a wild west of new instruction sets
[20:03] <DaQatz> lol
[20:03] <traeak> if it ever happens
[20:04] <Caver> lol I thought that was called the 1980's :)
[20:04] <DaQatz> I would love to see the death of the x86 line
[20:04] <DaQatz> x86 is a mess
[20:04] <traeak> Caver: yeah, and we got x86 out of that
[20:04] <traeak> arm isnt' looking that great at the moment
[20:04] <Caver> yup .. cos it way cheap!
[20:04] <Caver> was
[20:04] <DaQatz> Again beat others down with lawyers and lock downs.
[20:05] <traeak> stupid patents on picking your nose a certain way
[20:05] <Caver> standard practice in the semi-conductor and most engineering worlds sadly
[20:05] <Caver> it's the same with railway projects and most civil engineering
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[20:06] <traeak> some few like to innovate, we're playing in that area somewhat
[20:06] <tero> is it ou yet?
[20:06] <tero> :)
[20:06] <tero> is it out yet?
[20:06] <PiBot> tero: 10 hours, 54 minutes and 4 seconds till announce.
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[20:07] <mkopack> Well, x86 got cleaned up quite a bit with the 64 bit ISA??? AMD deprecated a lot of the old 8 bit and 16 bit support that forced a TON of kludges???
[20:08] <mkopack> the 64 bit stuff is a LOT cleaner??? Fixed instruction size???.
[20:09] <zgreg> yeah, definitely
[20:09] <zgreg> x86 isn't so bad
[20:09] <zgreg> and while the ARM ISA might be cleaner than the x86 ISA, the ARM platform is a complete mess, while x86 is mostly standardised
[20:10] <mkopack> and with all the SSE/SIMD extensions, it's gotten a lot more powerful over the years???
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[20:10] <mkopack> Plus, these days, the x86 processors typically do their internal decoding via RISC even though the rest of the architecture is CISC.
[20:11] <traeak> well frankly right now x86_64 is *the* computational powerhouse
[20:11] <mkopack> So the differences aren't as drastic as it used to be...
[20:11] <zgreg> mkopack: right
[20:11] <zgreg> the RISC vs. CISC distinction does not make sense anymore today
[20:12] <zgreg> ARM is also not exactly a clean RISC architecture
[20:13] <traeak> and ARM is only getting worse with no hacks
[20:13] <traeak> it's a "code as you go" architecture
[20:13] <traeak> which is where mips has an advantage of already having been there
[20:14] <rm> read this http://omploader.org/vMndueg/Dandamudi%20S.%20P.%20-%20Guide%20to%20RISC%20Processors.%20For%20Programmers%20and%20Engineers(2004)(387).pdf
[20:14] <rm> Dandamudi S. P. - Guide to RISC Processors. For Programmers and Engineers(2004)(387).pdf
[20:14] <rm> on differences between ARM/MIPS/PPC
[20:14] <mkopack> the whole point of RISC was to reduce the instruction set so they could simplify the core design in order to crank up the clock speeds since each instruction was easier to process since it did less. But these days the CISC stuff generally does that as well.
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[20:15] <traeak> rm: doesn't seem to exist
[20:15] <traeak> rm: probably tinyurl it
[20:15] <traeak> risc's problem is that it takes more instructions to do the same thing which means more memory bandwidth is required
[20:15] <traeak> etc
[20:15] <traeak> etc
[20:15] <mkopack> yup
[20:15] <rm> traeak, http://omploader.org/vMndueg
[20:16] <traeak> rm: keeps on saying server not found
[20:16] <mkopack> And the whole concept of superscalar and superpipelining largely negated the advances of RISC vs CISC in those regards
[20:16] <zgreg> the lack of a standard ARM platform might be the biggest hurdle for ARM adoption as some sort of x86 replacement
[20:16] <mkopack> second link worked for me
[20:16] <zgreg> on the PC, you can count on EFI or the BIOS for the first stages of the bootloader. on the various ARM systems? everyone does their own loader.
[20:16] <traeak> must be noscript
[20:17] <zgreg> on the PC, various essential hardware peripherals are standardized. on ARM? none.
[20:17] <mkopack> greg: yeah, but that's not a fault of the ARM core, more of the lack of standard computer architecture using ARM cores.
[20:18] <zgreg> on the PC, there are standard methods for hardware discovery and control. PCI configuration space, ACPI, etc. on ARM? nothing yet, with some early work on "device trees".
[20:18] <mjr> true enough (though everyone's acpi is bug-ridden)
[20:18] <traeak> Arm is hacking as they go
[20:19] <traeak> too bad dec alpha died...very true to risc
[20:19] <mkopack> true, but it's that lack of standardization that also provides it with a lot more flexibility to do things in different ways
[20:20] <traeak> mkopack: yes that's also true, no committees to screw things up, etc
[20:20] <piofcube> I liked the dec alpha screamer... was a very nice bit of hardware
[20:20] <traeak> doing stuff out of necessisity canlead to innovation...up to a point
[20:20] <traeak> had a 400MHz one but the damn board died before i could really start plyaing with it
[20:20] <zgreg> yeah, but at the current state ARM as a platform will never be a PC replacement, plain and simple
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[20:22] <traeak> in a few years they'll have 64bit addressing
[20:22] <traeak> hehe
[20:22] <traeak> post a16
[20:22] <traeak> a15 i mean
[20:23] <piofcube> ARM is more a consumer platform... well apart from all those embeded gizmos in valve controls etc.. I can see more "toys" coming out for social stuff. In the end I think it will widen the gap more between PC users and small-use users (like what's happening with social apps on the smartphone).
[20:23] <mkopack> Yeah, I remember when those Alphas??? DEC came and did a demo of the first one to us when I was working at an Air Force research Lab??? It was running circles around the Sun 4 Server we were using as the team's primary server.
[20:23] <Ruairi> Does the R-Pi boot automatically I wonder? I heard about the > prompt
[20:24] <mkopack> Ruairi: Yes...
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[20:24] <traeak> alpha was definitely an FP monster
[20:25] <mkopack> It looks in the first partition (FAT) on the SD card for a Binary blob and a config.txt file (which is sorta like a BIOS in some ways) and then that controls the rest of the boot process
[20:25] <traeak> interesting, sparc being an open instruction set never really took off much
[20:27] <nrltd> Hi, how many RaspberryPi boards will be available at 6AM gmt ?
[20:27] <traeak> all of them ?
[20:27] <piofcube> There was/is RAMP... I think tat was for FGPAs dunno what happened to that
[20:27] <Thorn_> 0
[20:28] <traeak> at most 9.6k i think
[20:28] <nrltd> kk
[20:29] <hotwings> nrltd - why do you think any rpis are available at 6am gmt?
[20:29] <piofcube> I wonder how people would be disapointed if the "announcement" was they were going to change to new forum sofware LOL
[20:29] <piofcube> how many**
[20:29] <hotwings> thats what they get for assuming *shrug*
[20:29] <traeak> rm: well nice read in the architecture overview...i was very aware of how PPC is not really risc but didn't know as much about mips in general.
[20:29] <nrltd> well thers big announcement at 6am
[20:30] <nrltd> thats what their website says
[20:30] <hotwings> nrltd - you should assume the "big" announcement is rpis being available to purchase
[20:30] <traeak> or the big announcement is the announcemetn of when they'll be available :-p
[20:31] <nrltd> oh lolz
[20:31] <rm> from the book I lean to consider MIPS to be more elegant than ARM
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[20:31] <traeak> rm: which arm? there are so many to choose from?
[20:31] <tero> well the only "problem" I see is that Liz said that the exact hour is very important! So i don't that they will just say when is r-pi coming out.
[20:31] <mkopack> shudders and has flashbacks of his undergrad Assembly Language class and the SPIM (MIPS architecture assembler tool)
[20:31] <hotwings> BIG announcement: we'll open pre-orders March 5th
[20:32] <hotwings> is that worth jizzing all over yourself? .......no
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[20:32] <piofcube> My forward-thinking log file shows "06:00:00 "RPIs up for sale" ... 06:00:01 Website down... no-one can buy it."
[20:32] <traeak> i've only done assembly on my hp12C, never bothered otherwise :-p
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[20:32] <rm> traeak, the ARM architecture as defined by ARM... or do you mean which generation?
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[20:33] <mkopack> hot: Hey, if you choose not to put 1+1 together and make 2 (even though it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that it is) hey, that's cool. 1 less person I have to compete against to get one :)
[20:33] <rm> not relevant, MIPS just seems to be more straightforward and less cluttered by various small features some of which are even historic
[20:34] <traeak> MIPs was running in SGI workstations and in embedded applications
[20:34] <traeak> so its design was likely worked out better earlier on
[20:34] <traeak> arm has that thumb stuff they added, etc
[20:36] <rm> mkopack, I'm waiting for some moron to post it on the sodding slashdot
[20:36] <mkopack> traek: "Hennesy And Patterson, Introduction to Computer Architecture"??? will teach you EVERYTHING you could ever want to know about MIPS architecture and the design decisions that went into it
[20:36] <traeak> but yeah it seems MIPs is easier to implement and probably takes the least amount of transistors for a basic implementation
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[20:36] <rm> it's not MIPs
[20:36] <rm> it's MIPS
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[20:37] <rm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture
[20:38] <ceng> !tiker
[20:38] <ceng> !ticker
[20:38] <PiBot> ceng: 10 hours, 21 minutes and 41 seconds till announce.
[20:39] <haltdef> I might just set an alarm
[20:39] * smw slaps PiBot with a cast iron pan.
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[20:40] * IT_Sean looks around
[20:41] <mkopack> Yo Sean
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[20:41] <IT_Sean> hey mkopack
[20:41] <mkopack> welcome back
[20:42] <traeak> ouch intel bought all the rights to alpha :(
[20:45] <mkopack> Actually AMD got some of the Alpha patents as well, and a god portion of the engineering team went to AMD??? That formed some of the basis of the AMD64 architecture
[20:48] <traeak> oh yeah..and then it seemed they got quiet or canned by amd or something
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[20:50] <mkopack> nah, they were largely responsible for the integrated memory controller in the design...
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[20:51] <traeak> mkopack: *after* the athlon was released i mean
[20:52] <DaQatz> I do like a bit of the features in x86_64 asm
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[20:52] <rawsted> i'm sure this question has been asked but i can't find it looking through the FAQ...anyone have any idea how many will be available in the first batch?
[20:52] <IT_Sean> 10k
[20:52] <DaQatz> it's mostly the backwards compat kludges that bug me.
[20:53] <rawsted> IT_Sean: think they'll all be gone inside of 6 hours?
[20:53] <IT_Sean> Quite possibly.
[20:53] <DaQatz> 12.3 minutes
[20:53] <ReggieUK> ffs
[20:53] <mtrx> 6 minutes more like it
[20:53] * ReggieUK evaluates whether it's easier to write 10k or ffs
[20:53] <IT_Sean> def within 12 hours. Quite possibly within 6.
[20:54] <rawsted> you really think they'll go that fast? i really hate staying up late past my bedtime ><
[20:54] <ReggieUK> ffs wins
[20:55] <pingec> did they say anything about shipping costs
[20:55] <rawsted> i'll just wake up an hour early and if that isn't good enough, wait for the next batch :|
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[20:55] <rm> HA
[20:55] <rm> within 6 hours
[20:55] <rm> HA
[20:55] <LuPuS|BIG> !ticker
[20:55] <PiBot> LuPuS|BIG: 10 hours, 5 minutes and 10 seconds till announce.
[20:55] <rm> my guess: within 1 minute
[20:55] <rm> 5 min tops
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[20:56] <rawsted> rm: dango :|
[20:56] <mkopack> rawsted: 10,000 ??? not sure if that's before or after they give the 400 to Nokia for the QT developers
[20:56] <mkopack> No idea on the shipping costs. Largely depends on where you live in relation to where the closest distribution center is...
[20:57] <sifi|work> rasp forum down?
[20:57] <urs> My guess: 38 minutes, the first 20 of which the servers will be unavailable
[20:57] <mkopack> They indicated that they shipped the units to multiple distribution points (i.e., they aren't all being shipped from the UK to end users???)
[20:58] <rawsted> mkopack: any indication of the time between batches?
[20:58] <rm> I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to drop the distribution points b/s after all
[20:58] <mkopack> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/173841654451666944
[20:58] <IT_Sean> rawsted: once the 1st batch sells out, the 2nd batch should come along fairly quickly.
[20:58] <rm> just ship them all from the UK and that's it
[20:58] <rawsted> IT_Sean: cool
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[20:59] <rawsted> mkopack: thanks
[20:59] <rm> there's no way, if china shipped them on friday, for them to get to both UK, the USA, and who knows where else
[20:59] <IT_Sean> after the first few batches, they should be in pretty steady production
[20:59] <rm> and likely the Chinese didn't
[20:59] <mkopack> rm: Why? there's these things called AIRPLANES
[20:59] <Jeija> !ticker
[20:59] <PiBot> Jeija: 10 hours,5 seconds till announce.
[20:59] <petschge> airfreight is a lot more expensive than container ships
[20:59] <mkopack> When I ordered my Mac pro (custom spec build to order) it shipped from the factory in china and I had it TO MY DOOR in 2 days
[21:00] <rm> also there is no way to properly guess the proper counts
[21:00] <rm> for different points
[21:01] <IT_Sean> Can we all just assume, for just one moment, that The Foundation does, in fact, know what the [censored] they are doing?
[21:01] <mkopack> Sean: BINGO
[21:01] <mkopack> lol
[21:02] <rawsted> ok last one, any indication at what point they'll start coming with (or optionally offering) cases?
[21:02] <mkopack> rawsted: that's not expected until the education release, so probably not until summer??? There are a bunch of people that have talked about making cases (an entire like 50 page thread on the forums) though...
[21:03] <mkopack> So good chance there will be something available to buy before then
[21:03] <LuPuS|BIG> rawsted june with a bit of luck
[21:03] <rawsted> mkopack, LuPuS|BIG : ty, ty
[21:03] <mtrx> this is what i'll be doing with it https://p.twimg.com/AloZvZECQAAg85N.jpg
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[21:04] <IT_Sean> I would not expect a case before the summer.
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[21:06] <ReggieUK> I think you might well see cases before summer from third parties
[21:06] <IT_Sean> Yes, i was referring to a case from The Foundation
[21:06] <IT_Sean> 3rd party cases will probably come out first.
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[21:07] <hotwings> does anyone know of any company that has said anything about a case for rpi?
[21:07] <rawsted> thanks again fellas, sayonara
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[21:08] <mkopack> A company? No??? don't recall seeing any (although I haven't dug through that long case thread???) but plenty of individuals talking about various designs and possibly doing 3D printable designs. I've seen pictures of a few that people had designed and printed up.
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[21:09] <mtrx> hmm, was the fedora release supposed to come during this week?
[21:09] <hotwings> dont know anyone with a 3d printer.. those are expensive
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[21:09] <hotwings> maybe ill just take an old 3.5 floppy case and stick it in there
[21:09] <mkopack> mtrx: Yeah???. they were trying to finalize some things with the installer script and get it through final testing???
[21:09] <mtrx> alright
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[21:10] <mkopack> hot: they're coming down in price, but yes, still quite $$$ - even the do-it-yourself ones are like $1K+. I have a couple folks in the local robotics clubs with them though??? You can bet that people who have them and buy RPi's will try selling cases they print up themselves on ebay
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[21:11] <LuPuS|BIG> fedora annoucment thursday
[21:11] <mkopack> I'm thinking of using an old 3.5" removable SCSI drive sled that I had here in the office. It's going to be way too big, but that just means more room for a USB hub and such.
[21:11] <LuPuS|BIG> mkopack thats what I'm aiming for - well got a 3.5" extral drive
[21:12] <mkopack> has a nice little handle on it though. Maybe I'll cut it down length wise so it's not quite so huge
[21:12] * LuPuS|BIG goe sidel for a bit
[21:12] <mkopack> Nothing a hack saw and some epoxy can't fix :)
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[21:13] <mkopack> or a dremel and epoxy
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[21:13] <Aquilus_> Make a case out of a sheet of paper.
[21:13] <Henchman21> duct tape
[21:13] <Aquilus_> Problem solved.
[21:14] <mkopack> I have a couple smallish sheets of plexi at home as well from a robotics project, so I could use that to build a case too...
[21:14] <sifi|work> Buy a cheap sheet metal bender and bend some metal
[21:14] <mdavey> BBC's Rory Cellan-Jones to cover the Raspberry Pi on BBC One and BBC News tomorrow. Sneak preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3h6Boe9n3M
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[21:15] <Aquilus_> Nice
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> ducttape
[21:18] <mkopack> Nice story??? looks like there's mostly Beta boards there being used, but there did look to be one of the pre-production test units as well
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[21:19] <mkopack> Or rather Alpha boards with a pre-production beta board
[21:19] <acfrazier> 1AM tonight
[21:19] <acfrazier> I can't waiiit
[21:19] <acfrazier> I have my card ready :P
[21:19] <DaQatz> !ticker
[21:19] <PiBot> DaQatz: 9 hours, 40 minutes and 47 seconds till announce.
[21:19] <Kushan> hmm
[21:19] <mtrx> 8am here
[21:20] <DaQatz> 3:20 pm here
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[21:20] <mtrx> well, 10:20pm at the moment :P
[21:20] <acfrazier> I'm with DaQatz
[21:20] <acfrazier> 3:20 PM
[21:20] <mrdragons> Will I need a paypal to order?
[21:21] <acfrazier> I don't think they're doing paypal
[21:21] <DaQatz> I would hope not
[21:21] <acfrazier> since paypal has a tendency to screw sellers
[21:21] <acfrazier> I have one juuust in case though
[21:21] <IT_Sean> From my understanding, the same shop that they used for selling stickers will be used to sell the raspi.
[21:21] <IT_Sean> So, they should be taking direct CC orders.
[21:21] <mrdragons> Awesome. ^_^
[21:22] <IT_Sean> But, whaddoiknow
[21:22] <acfrazier> I hope they take MC
[21:22] <acfrazier> or I'm SOL
[21:22] <DaQatz> They only take London Tea club cards
[21:22] <IT_Sean> Awesome!
[21:22] <acfrazier> :(
[21:22] <mkopack> No, they said you DON'T have to use PayPal
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[21:24] <neofutur> would be cool to accept bitcoins for orders
[21:24] <acfrazier> bitcoins are dead.
[21:24] <DaQatz> Ah well, that's unlikely.
[21:24] <acfrazier> I cashed out long ago when they were worth like $30
[21:24] <acfrazier> lol
[21:24] <Dagger3> bitcoin... really isn't dead
[21:25] <DaQatz> By dead you mena stablized right?
[21:25] <acfrazier> hardly
[21:25] <acfrazier> have you seen the 30d prices?
[21:25] <Dagger3> I think he just means he can't make money by mining them any more
[21:25] <DaQatz> Yes madea bunch of money on it
[21:25] <acfrazier> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
[21:25] <acfrazier> hardly stable.
[21:25] <DaQatz> But $30 was waaaaaaaaaaay over inflated
[21:25] <LiENUS> htf did i think 0600h gmt is 2am cst
[21:26] <acfrazier> yeah well I made about $150,000 off of it before I cashed out
[21:26] <acfrazier> :P
[21:26] <mkopack> Lien: dunno, you'd be 2 hours too late!
[21:26] <LiENUS> actually apparently i thought it was 1am
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[21:26] <acfrazier> I'll just be staying up the extra three hours.
[21:26] <neofutur> fyi bitcoins ar really not dead with more than 380 btc exchanged every day : http://bitcoinwatch.com/
[21:26] <LiENUS> i think i calculated it with dst wrong
[21:26] <neofutur> sorry for the offtopic
[21:26] <mkopack> probalby
[21:26] <LiENUS> neofutur, .... wat
[21:26] <acfrazier> >380
[21:26] <neofutur> s/380 / 380k
[21:26] <acfrazier> I can remember when there was
[21:26] <acfrazier> 1m
[21:27] <mrdragons> Should be 12am in cst right?
[21:27] <acfrazier> every day
[21:27] <LiENUS> are we on CDT or CST
[21:27] <acfrazier> it's 12am central
[21:27] <acfrazier> 1am est
[21:27] <acfrazier> 11pm mountain
[21:27] <mkopack> Yeah
[21:27] <acfrazier> 10pm pacific
[21:27] <mkopack> what ac said
[21:27] <LiENUS> i wish theyd drop that shit
[21:28] <DaQatz> Yes when it was 1mil and coins were $30 dollars it was do to too much hype
[21:28] <DaQatz> Now that the hype is over.
[21:28] <DaQatz> Things are stabilizing.
[21:28] <acfrazier> and therefore it's worthless to make money.
[21:28] <acfrazier> that's all it ever was
[21:28] <acfrazier> :P
[21:28] <LiENUS> ...
[21:28] <DaQatz> They are not meant to invest in. They are a currency.
[21:28] <LiENUS> DaQatz, bitcoin is horribly flawed
[21:29] <acfrazier> it has no inherent value
[21:29] <mrdragons> how so?
[21:29] <mrdragons> @LiENUS
[21:29] <acfrazier> I could easily give my CPU/GPU/FPGA time to something else
[21:29] <petschge> so? paper with print on doesnt have any inherent value either
[21:29] <DaQatz> acfrazier, neither does the US dollar
[21:29] <mrdragons> And money has no inherent value either
[21:29] <LiENUS> mrdragons, no inflation the possibility for attacks, you cant pay your taxes in any country with it
[21:30] <acfrazier> ^
[21:30] <hotwings> LiENUS is back....... *sigh*
[21:30] <LiENUS> if bitcoin took off it would collapse every april
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[21:30] <acfrazier> and there's a finite number of them.
[21:30] <acfrazier> once you run out they suddenly become insanely valuable
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[21:30] <Dagger3> that taxes line is starting to bug me. who cares if you can pay your taxes in it?
[21:31] <LiENUS> acfrazier, hence the no inflation commend
[21:31] <Dagger3> you can't pay your taxes with paypal either, but do you see people complaining about *that*?
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[21:31] <LiENUS> which would lead to more people hoarding and not spending which will cause massive massive deflation
[21:31] <mkopack> Paypal isn't a monetary system or currency, it's a bank
[21:31] <LiENUS> Dagger3, i paid my taxes with paypal two years ago
[21:31] <neofutur> (22:26) < acfrazier> it has no inherent value
[21:31] <Dagger3> acfrazier: they don't suddenly run out. the production rate halves forever, so the increase is gradual
[21:31] <neofutur> USD neither
[21:31] <neofutur> value is caused by trust
[21:31] <LiENUS> Dagger3, uhh
[21:31] <LiENUS> yes they do run out
[21:32] <mkopack> Exactly, all monetary systems are based on perceived value and trust
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[21:32] <acfrazier> yeah they do run out.
[21:32] <LiENUS> which is why theres no inflation
[21:32] <acfrazier> false.
[21:32] <acfrazier> once no more of something can be produced, the value rises.
[21:32] <acfrazier> meaning it is no longer useful as a currency.
[21:32] <LiENUS> acfrazier, that would be deflation
[21:33] * Dagger3 checks -- no, I definitely included the word "suddenly" in my last message
[21:33] <LiENUS> Dagger3, you also used the word forever
[21:33] <LiENUS> bitcoin is designed to run out at a specific moment in time
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[21:33] <Dagger3> oh, that's true. it doesn't really matter though, since the production rate will be tiny and irrelevent by that point
[21:33] <xlq> No money has inherent value.
[21:34] <acfrazier> there are 21,000,000 of them
[21:34] <xlq> Oh, you've done that bit. :P
[21:34] <acfrazier> and in fact
[21:34] <acfrazier> some of them are lost
[21:34] <acfrazier> in wallets people haven't touched
[21:34] <acfrazier> so let's say there are about 15,000,000
[21:34] <acfrazier> once you hit that 15m, you're done
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> xlq: It does. Coins and notes have inherent value.
[21:34] <acfrazier> metal has value
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> xlq: In the metal and paper content.
[21:34] <acfrazier> therefore coins have value
[21:35] <LiENUS> info on the limit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_Currency_Supply
[21:35] <LiENUS> of course
[21:35] <LiENUS> if production rate falls they will likely run out much later
[21:35] <LiENUS> difficulty is supposed to recalculate every two weeks
[21:35] <mjr> well, in the same vein bitcoins have inherent value when stored on a hard drive :]
[21:35] <LiENUS> if production dropped drasticly itd take much longer
[21:35] <mrdragons> Money only has value because people give it value...
[21:35] <LiENUS> of course
[21:35] <Dagger3> acfrazier: it doesn't matter how many of them there are though. the number is essentially arbitrary
[21:35] <xlq> SpeedEvil: Yes yes OK.
[21:35] <LiENUS> a good prank if you had the resources
[21:35] <xlq> Uh, only on the internet...
[21:35] <LiENUS> hook up a couple super computers for a few months running it
[21:36] <neofutur> limited number is not a problem, we ll just use nanocoins in 20 years
[21:36] <LiENUS> then take em off and lol when it takes people a year for the next adjustment
[21:36] <acfrazier> yup
[21:36] <acfrazier> that's actually a good way to kill it
[21:36] <acfrazier> hook it up to a massive supercomputing cluster
[21:36] <acfrazier> mine all of them for yourself
[21:36] <acfrazier> sit on it
[21:36] <neofutur> and imho its much better than allowing this kind of madness :
[21:36] <acfrazier> and nobody has any incentive
[21:36] <neofutur> http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=BASE&s[1][range]=50yrs
[21:36] <acfrazier> to do it
[21:38] <LiENUS> acfrazier, well itd only be worth it if you drop off
[21:38] <LiENUS> because eventually the difficulty will rise
[21:38] <LiENUS> yeah youd still be mining it but sloowww
[21:38] <LiENUS> so you drop off for a year
[21:38] <LiENUS> let them get difficulty back down then throw it off again so you build up your reserve that way
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[21:38] <neofutur> not eventually , if the mining power increase, the difficulty _will_ increase accordingly
[21:39] <neofutur> LiENUS: try to do it ;)
[21:39] <petschge> how about we all just ignore LiENUS?
[21:39] <hotwings> sounds good petschge
[21:40] <LiENUS> neofutur, which is why you drop off so the difficulty falls back down and it takes everyone far longer than two weeks, when it drops back down you run your cluster again
[21:40] <LiENUS> of course there wouldnt be much point for the average joe to do it
[21:40] <neofutur> you re not alone
[21:40] <LiENUS> but given all the paranoia they exhibit over the government and bitcoin
[21:40] <neofutur> Network Hashrate PetaFLOPS 132.86
[21:40] <neofutur> 10.46 Terahashs/s
[21:40] <LiENUS> i think the fact that that hasnt happened is proof that no government that matters gives a fuck
[21:41] <neofutur> yup /ignore seems a good idea ;)
[21:41] <acfrazier> lol I'm done arguing it
[21:41] <acfrazier> to each their own
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[21:42] <hotwings> * Added LiENUS!*@* to ignore list <-- :)
[21:42] <jzaw> evnin all
[21:42] <mrdragons> Heyyo
[21:42] * jzaw is just twiddling thumbs to kill time before _you_know_what_time_
[21:43] <jzaw> :)
[21:44] <mrdragons> Liz has dropped so many hints about it she may as well just say it.
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[21:45] <jzaw> any news about an ipv6 ip for the shop site?
[21:47] <ceng> !ticker
[21:47] <PiBot> ceng: 9 hours, 13 minutes and 6 seconds till announce.
[21:47] <curahack> I tought ipv6 was compatible with ipv4 ??
[21:47] <petschge> that depends a lot on your definition of "compatible"
[21:47] <LiENUS> mrdragons, she cant
[21:47] <LiENUS> contractual crap
[21:48] <Dagger3> jzaw: yeah right... with IPv6 disabled in the Debian image's kernel, I'm not holding out much hope for that
[21:48] <LiENUS> im wondering when we'll get the emails from mailing list
[21:48] <slaeshjag> curahack: One-way compatible, I think
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[21:48] <curahack> so a website would require a AAA record (ipv6) in order to be visible from a ipv6 client??
[21:49] <Dagger3> curahack: an IPv6-only client requires an AAAA record (or rather, IPv6 on the site). a dual-stack client requires either A or AAAA
[21:49] <Dagger3> the two protocols don't really interact at all. you use v4 for v4 hosts and v6 for v6 hosts
[21:50] <curahack> ow shit, I have to start adding ipv6 addresses then :O
[21:50] <DDave> curahack: ipv6 and ipv4 --> tunneling
[21:50] <jzaw> Dagger3: not sure what you mean
[21:51] <curahack> damn, but there are already people here that are stuck with an ipv6 address??
[21:51] <jzaw> im talking about browsing to the www.raspberrypi.com shop site via ipv6
[21:51] <jzaw> currently dig www.raspberrypi.com only shows an ipv4 ip
[21:52] <acfrazier> http://pastie.org/private/gpb6doolljjzob1rjybvba
[21:52] <Tachyon`> hrm, is anyone noticing a database error attempting to .org site?
[21:52] <curahack> yeah, but google too jzaw
[21:52] <acfrazier> that strikes me as odd for an sdcard transfer
[21:52] <acfrazier> of the image
[21:52] <acfrazier> I used a 4M block size though
[21:52] <Tachyon`> oh, worked that time, how odd
[21:53] <jzaw> curahack: i visit google via ipv6
[21:53] <Dagger3> curahack: it's not really a "stuck". generally you'd have the v6 address _in addition to_ some sort of v4 access...
[21:53] <jzaw> unless things have changed google are very stringent about who they allow to access them by ipv6
[21:54] <jzaw> im not current on that
[21:54] <Dagger3> jzaw: you can use ordns.he.net as your recursor though to get google's AAAA records... and they'll be removing the whitelist in June
[21:54] <jzaw> i used to do something similar before our isp was whitelisted
[21:55] <curahack> but jzaw, you can visit my site then (rpi-developers.com) ??
[21:55] <Da|Mummy> !ticker
[21:55] <PiBot> Da|Mummy: 9 hours, 5 minutes and 3 seconds till announce.
[21:55] <jzaw> yes ... but i only see an ipv4 ip for it (showip in firefox)
[21:55] <Da|Mummy> eggcellent!
[21:56] <curahack> then what's the problem, if my site works fine, then the RPi shop should work ??
[21:56] <jzaw> aye
[21:56] <jzaw> but didnt i see a tweet about ipv6 users would have priority ?
[21:57] <curahack> ??? wut ??
[21:57] <mjr> say what?
[21:57] <mjr> that would be sweet though ;)
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[21:57] <curahack> that wouldn't make sense
[21:58] <jzaw> now youre making me doubt my memory !
[21:58] <jzaw> im sure i read that tweet
[21:58] <jzaw> and everyone on a couple of other channels i sit on was talking about it
[21:58] <Dagger3> jzaw: somebody definitely made that joke at some point (possibly on IRC though, since I remember it too)
[21:58] * jzaw scratches his head
[21:58] <curahack> how can you prioritize by IP ?? that doesn't make the slightests sense
[21:58] <curahack> maybee it was sarcasm?
[21:59] <jzaw> could be ... ive been burning the midnight oil so much ... i wouldnt recognise sarcasam if it hit me in the face with a smoked trout
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[21:59] <jzaw> sorry if ive sewn some false rumour
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[21:59] <curahack> haha, no worries :)
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[21:59] <jzaw> in any case ... ipv6 is always kudos points :D
[22:00] <mjr> curahack, you easily _can_, by eg. opening the shop over ipv6 before v4...
[22:00] <curahack> definately, I just don't know how to test it :P
[22:01] <mjr> or just qos-dissing v4 aplenty
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[22:01] <mjr> Not commenting on the sense. If you wanted to v6-evangelise, maybe. ;)
[22:01] <mdavey> !ticker
[22:01] <PiBot> mdavey: 8 hours, 59 minutes and 25 seconds till announce.
[22:01] <curahack> but the shop is already open for ipv4, and they would be very stupid to have 2 instances running
[22:01] <jzaw> btw in that respect ... showip ... plugin in firefox is very useful ... shows you the ip youre visiting
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[22:01] <curahack> ipflag, and serverspy is better :)
[22:01] <curahack> *flagfox
[22:01] <jzaw> ah cool shall look
[22:02] <Dagger3> you should clearly be using IPvFox
[22:02] <curahack> the .org site runs apache (overloads) and the .com *shop* runs ngnix,
[22:02] <Dagger3> though I may be a bit biased on the matter
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[22:04] <sifi|work> stop pressing f5 guys
[22:05] <sifi|work> that was just tweeted
[22:05] <LiENUS> lol the raspi site keeps going down from people overloading the server itself not the pipe
[22:05] <LiENUS> so their solution is a bigger pipe
[22:05] <jzaw> i got a database error earlier tonight
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[22:10] <curahack> they should have been using a CDN
[22:10] <curahack> can someone recommend them to setup cloudflare quicky?!
[22:10] <curahack> in that case, it will drop the load of the server, therefor less downtime
[22:10] <curahack> and increase the connections limit
[22:10] <sifi|work> yeah cloudflare them
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[22:14] <sifi|work> They should also load balance, if they aren't already
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[22:19] <Henchman21> wut
[22:19] <Tomtiger11> Net split
[22:19] <curahack> dafuq are all there users entering??
[22:19] <Henchman21> i lost my counterpart
[22:20] <Tomtiger11> Netsplit...
[22:20] <Henchman24> high availability load balancing anti F5 advanced technology
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[22:21] <mtrx> time for sleep, see you lot in some 8 hours o/
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[22:22] <curahack> I've just tweeted @Raspberry_Pi to use CloudFlare, I hope they'll listen
[22:23] <danieldaniel> Anything happen while I was gone? :O
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[22:24] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel:nope
[22:24] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: you sure? :(
[22:25] <curahack> nothing interesting
[22:25] <danieldaniel> D:
[22:25] <curahack> :(
[22:25] <Henchman24> i doubt they will modify their infrastructure because you made a tweet :P
[22:25] <curahack> it's not much of a change
[22:26] <curahack> they just need to change their NS records,
[22:26] <curahack> should be just enough time
[22:26] <curahack> enough to make a significant difference
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[22:28] <chris_99> it sounds like it's a proxy right?
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[22:30] <mkopack> You know, I can't wait for this first batch to be all sold just so people will MAYBE stop killing the RPi server so you can USE it
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[22:32] <curahack> You know, I can't wait for the Raspberry Pi creators to finally listen to my advice, and MAYBE their server(s ) will stay online
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[22:32] <mrdragons> What was your advice?
[22:32] <WASDx> This has probably been linked before but here is a video named "Raspberry Pi's first school trip": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3h6Boe9n3M
[22:33] <hotwings> its funny people assume server problems are caused by massive numbers of nerds refreshing the site.. rather than any one of a gazillion common issues servers, hosts, data centers have
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[22:33] <ReggieUK> or that they assume the people that own/run the server actually give a shit about their view
[22:33] * lars_t_h had just created an account on raspberrypi.com <- the Ras Pi webshop
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[22:34] <mjr> funny how people assume the people running the server just assume things rather than know what's happening
[22:34] <mjr> lars_t_h, good point
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Indeed mjr.
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> They're really signalling the release date in morse.
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> Site down = dash or dot, depending on the length.
[22:35] <xlq> :_\
[22:35] <curahack> lars_t_h thanks for the tip !
[22:36] <xlq> .. -- -.-. .-. .- .--. .- - -- --- .-. ... .
[22:36] <lars_t_h> curahack, which advice? I saw something about static webpage on twitter
[22:36] <curahack> you did? anyway, abt creating an account ;)
[22:37] <lars_t_h> that will wotk, if they have a in-memory (RAM) copy of the webpage
[22:37] <hotwings> hurry, refresh http://raspberrypi.com/ as much as you can before you miss your chance! *when product is available for purchase
[22:37] <hotwings> cuz its going to sell out in 1.3 seconds
[22:38] <mjr> cache has been invented
[22:38] <lars_t_h> hotwings, at 0600 GMT+0, 29. feb 2012
[22:38] <jzaw> xlq: ... - --- .--. .--. .-. . ... ... .. -. --. ..-. .....
[22:39] <curahack> they should be running a caching webserver (ngix or varnish ??)
[22:39] <xlq> jzaw: .. -- -. --- - .-.-.-
[22:39] <mjr> for a single static page, filesystem cache will do _just nicely_
[22:39] <jzaw> hehe
[22:40] <xlq> -- --- .-. ... . -.- .. -. -.. .- .-- --- .-. -.- ... -... . - - . .-. .-- .. - .... ... --- ..- -. -..
[22:40] <chris_99> curahack, 'Server nginx'
[22:40] <lars_t_h> curahack, I am sure they will do that - i don't think thet are newbies to information technology
[22:40] <xlq> There's an X-chat plug-in for Morse code. It sends timing data over the channel.
[22:40] <curahack> "we now won't be able to sell any @raspberry_pi because we had to put all 10000 of them in a web cluster to handle everybody hitting F5"
[22:40] <jzaw> -.. .. - -.. .- -.. .- -.. .. -.. .. -
[22:40] <jzaw> ;)
[22:41] <xlq> aha, layered protocols :)
[22:41] <sifi|work> next person that hits f5 won't be getting a raspberry
[22:41] <sifi|work> I dare you to hit it.
[22:42] <mrdragons> WASDx: Huh, pretty cool
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[22:42] * mrdragons presses f5
[22:42] * mrdragons presses it again
[22:42] <xlq> mrdragons: Stop running your VB program.
[22:43] <mrdragons> Hmm?
[22:43] <sifi|work> \^/
[22:44] <xlq> In VB, F5 runs
[22:44] <xlq> And QBASIC, IIRC
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[22:44] * Cillian bounces
[22:44] <mrdragons> Oh
[22:44] <mrdragons> I haven't used windows in forever
[22:45] * xlq drops Cillian on the floor to test this hypothesis
[22:46] <koaschten_> oh shit, one of the bigger deal sites in germany just featured rpi...
[22:46] <Cillian> Hehe, I recognise two people
[22:46] <DDave> koaschten_: wer
[22:46] <DDave> und wo
[22:46] <DDave> :D
[22:47] <koaschten_> http://hukd.mydealz.de/deals/raspberry-pi-19-vsk-g%C3%BCnstigste-computer-welt-73522
[22:47] <xlq> An das Internet?
[22:47] <Cillian> d'Internet
[22:47] <DDave> cool danke
[22:47] <sifi|work> see you guys tonight.
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[22:48] <Cillian> Anybody got any good ponderences about why all the secrecy about tomorrow morning?
[22:49] <urs> Cillian: I think british contract law prevents them from publishing their intent to sell the devices by tomorrow
[22:49] <Cillian> Hum, any idea why?
[22:49] <urs> otherwise you could just send them an email and tell them you're interested.
[22:49] <urs> Which would make a binding contract.
[22:49] <Cillian> Huh. Weird
[22:49] <urs> (Mutual expression of intent)
[22:50] <Cillian> Makes sense, I guess
[22:50] <chris_99> didn't they say they where going to send a mail out
[22:50] <chris_99> before they release
[22:51] <IT_Sean> chris_99: they still have time.
[22:51] <Cillian> I think they have sent mail saying about the 6am thing
[22:51] <Cillian> Or at least are doing
[22:51] <chris_99> i haven't got one so far
[22:51] <nsc> They have, got mine and it is no different to what is on the site.
[22:51] <Cillian> Me neither, but they said it'd take a while with 100k people
[22:51] <chris_99> ah
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[22:53] <IT_Sean> I haven't either, but, i forget which email address is signed up with, so... I may have gotten it and not realised it
[22:53] <traeak> maybe a dumb question
[22:53] <Cillian> But either way, it's ust what's on the frontpage
[22:53] <traeak> has someone ever come out with a usb device that has gpio pins, etc on them ?
[22:54] <IT_Sean> I don't think so.
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[22:54] <Cillian> I've basically made one using an arduino :)
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[22:54] <Cillian> It takes abut 10 minutes
[22:54] <IT_Sean> There are a load of USB I/O boards out there, but... In the sense that you are thinking of... i don't think so.
[22:54] <Ben64> would it be easier to make a power source that hooks to gpio than usb
[22:54] <lars_t_h> traeak, gert board
[22:54] <Cillian> Also I think you could misuse a USB parallel adaptor to do the same thing
[22:54] <chris_99> so does the Pi have the GPIO pins now, does anyone know
[22:54] <IT_Sean> chris_99: yes, it does.
[22:54] <Cillian> Yes
[22:54] <chris_99> awesome
[22:55] <lars_t_h> chris_99, a new linux kernel hacker?
[22:55] <chris_99> alas not
[22:56] <lars_t_h> You do know that you can only access hardware via a device driver?
[22:56] <lars_t_h> chris_99, ^
[22:56] <xlq> As is ever the case.. :
[22:56] <xlq> * :P
[22:56] <Cillian> Reckon you could do decent PWM with the RPi GPIO?
[22:56] <chris_99> oh i don't mind writing a device driver if thats what you mean, i'm trying to hack up one in windows at the mo'
[22:57] <Cillian> I'm doing some neat stuff with striplighting, and controlling straight on an rpi could be cool
[22:57] <traeak> lars_t_h: gertboard doesn't have a usb connector on it :-p
[22:57] <lars_t_h> ok
[22:58] <lars_t_h> traeak, hmm ok, i don't renember the name but they exists
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[22:59] <nemo> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
[22:59] <Cillian> hehe
[22:59] <nemo> sorry. just had to get it out of my system
[23:00] <nemo> ok. so I have a serious question that brings me here. porting to GLES2 is on our TODO list - it might even happen this year...
[23:00] <nemo> is there any chance of GLES11 support.
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[23:00] <nemo> ok. running our game on the pi is a bit silly. but, you know, for fun.
[23:00] <zgreg> nemo: GLES1.1 is supported
[23:00] <nemo> oh awesome
[23:00] <nemo> thanks
[23:00] <zgreg> but why do you want to use that old standard?
[23:00] <traeak> nemo: wojuld be good to start the porting !
[23:00] <zgreg> GLES1 is going away, quickly
[23:00] <zgreg> it's a dead end
[23:00] <nemo> zgreg: because that code is like 6 years old? :)
[23:01] <traeak> zgreg: because it's there ?
[23:01] <nemo> zgreg: and we needed support for 1st gen iphone
[23:01] <qptain_Nemo> wot
[23:01] <qptain_Nemo> oh
[23:01] <zgreg> oh so you are porting to GLES2?
[23:01] <nemo> zgreg: eventually :D
[23:01] <nemo> kinda hoping to do it this summer
[23:01] <zgreg> alright, somehow I thought you want to port GL (non-ES) port to GLES1
[23:01] <nemo> naw
[23:02] <nemo> we just wanted to know if we could run it pre-port
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[23:02] <curahack> !ticher
[23:02] <curahack> !ticker
[23:02] <PiBot> curahack: 7 hours, 57 minutes and 49 seconds till announce.
[23:02] <zgreg> what are you going to port?
[23:03] <nemo> zgreg: hedgewars. should be an easy port though. sure it is written in pascal, but it is already running on the iphone and android
[23:03] <xlq> FreePascal?
[23:03] <nemo> zgreg: just need the arm compiler running, build the sdl dep...
[23:03] <zgreg> pascal?! ugh
[23:03] <nemo> xlq: yep
[23:03] <qptain_Nemo> there's nothing wrong with pascal ^_^
[23:03] <zgreg> nemo: plus you need to wrestle with EGL
[23:03] <nemo> server is haskell, engine pascal, main frontend qt C++
[23:04] <zgreg> apple does not use EGL, or did that change?
[23:04] <xlq> FreePascal for the engine, C++ for the GUI, Haskell for the server, Lua for map scripting...
[23:04] <xlq> Java for the Android GUI, Objective-C for the iOS GUI...
[23:04] <xlq> Sounds painful
[23:04] <nemo> xlq: well well. someone knows our specs :)
[23:05] <xlq> Uh, wait until Wikipedia goes down. Then you'll know who actually knows stuff :P
[23:05] <nemo> xlq: but anyway. will probably focus on engine first
[23:05] <nemo> xlq: main goal on any platform is to play back a demo file
[23:05] <nemo> audio optional
[23:05] <koaschten_> when's the next sopa blackout?
[23:05] <xlq> Plain Lua is ANSI C so that's no problem.
[23:05] <nemo> koaschten_: well. the way DC and congress operates...
[23:05] <mkopack> More like "When are they going to beg for money again?"
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[23:06] <nemo> mkopack: beg for money? who?
[23:06] <nemo> oh. wikipedia :D
[23:06] <mkopack> Lua is an interesting language...
[23:06] <mkopack> yeah wikipedia
[23:06] <xlq> mkopack: struct "Foo" { x = int, y = int }
[23:06] <xlq> It's valid Lua ^_^
[23:06] <nemo> xlq: well. I'm kinda hoping the pi might be able to run a standard ARM linux distro
[23:06] <mkopack> just sell advertising like everyone else does and annoy the crap outta us??? we'll just ignore it anyhow :)
[23:06] <nemo> xlq: that probably will make dependencies super easy to satisfy
[23:06] <Cillian> adblock
[23:07] <zgreg> http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/112010/jimmy_wales_is_not_kidding_around.jpg
[23:07] <nemo> xlq: I know it has custom drivers, but they can be added to a non-stock linux install right?
[23:07] <xlq> nemo: Sorry, what?
[23:07] <zgreg> there is nothing like "ARM" and "standard kernel"
[23:07] <Aquilus_> Is it out yet?
[23:07] <PiBot> Aquilus_: 7 hours, 52 minutes and 51 seconds till announce.
[23:07] <koaschten_> nemo dont worry, fedora seems to plan a port
[23:07] <Cillian> wha
[23:07] <ReggieUK> zgreg beat me to it
[23:07] <nemo> koaschten_: sweet
[23:08] <nemo> koaschten_: well. can just wait for someone else to do the work :)
[23:08] <xlq> nemo: Sorry, I don't understand.
[23:08] <mkopack> already have my Debian on SD ready to go :)
[23:08] <zgreg> there is literally no ARM system that is supported by a vanilla kernel, as far as I know
[23:08] <nemo> xlq: you were referring to ease of building lua.
[23:08] <ReggieUK> random kernel sources are about the closest you'll get to standard arm distro
[23:08] <koaschten_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/688
[23:08] <mkopack> I figured a 16GB Sd was plenty :)
[23:09] <nemo> zgreg: huh...
[23:09] <Eimann> hi
[23:09] <nemo> zgreg: I thought that major distros had ARM ports
[23:09] <xlq> nemo: Yeah, gcc -o lua *.c will get you a working Lua build, or almost (if you exclude luac.c)
[23:09] <Eimann> is liam fraser around?
[23:09] <zgreg> and the cause of that is that there is no standard ARM platform, as I debated earlier
[23:09] <nemo> zgreg: like. a quick JFGI reveals http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
[23:09] <mkopack> koaschten: somebody posted in here earlier that the fedora download is slated to get posted on Thursday.. don't know where they got that info though
[23:09] <nemo> zgreg: well sure
[23:09] <zgreg> nemo: they do, yes
[23:09] <zgreg> zgreg: but every SoC family needs a separate kernel
[23:10] <ReggieUK> that was my point zgreg
[23:10] <zgreg> there's *nothing* standardized, like on the PC
[23:10] <ReggieUK> random kernel sources
[23:10] <piofcube> I wonder how many SD cards will become available on eBay that has the distro already copied over? and how many of those can be trusted :S
[23:10] <zgreg> err that was for you nemo, not for me :)
[23:10] <ReggieUK> drivers patched from other arm targets that are similar
[23:10] <ReggieUK> etc.
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[23:11] <zgreg> yeah
[23:11] <zgreg> it's a major PITA
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[23:11] <ReggieUK> I've used a couple of arm targets like that
[23:11] <mkopack> piofcube: It honestly was REALLY easy to do??? found some directions on the forums and just followed them (granted I'm on a mac. Not sure how easy it is on Windows..although there was a thread about the Windows DD tool...)
[23:11] <ReggieUK> 1 was ok kind of but still has issues
[23:11] <ReggieUK> the other one had a dev team behind it but only to do the companies bidding
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[23:12] <ReggieUK> so it was minimal drivers to make it work for their purposes
[23:12] <piofcube> mkopack: yeah, easy enough but some people will take the "easy" option :S
[23:12] <ReggieUK> which have slowly been fixed over time
[23:12] <mkopack> yeah, true.. I was just glad I was able to get a 16GB SD card locally for < $20.. :)
[23:12] <ReggieUK> is it a class 10?
[23:12] <Kushan> hope it's not class 10
[23:12] <mkopack> Nope. 4
[23:12] <Kushan> class 10 have issues
[23:13] <mkopack> Could have gotten either a 4 or a 6. I figured 4 would be safer and would work with all my devices
[23:14] <mkopack> Frys actually had a pretty good selection???. Once I found where they had moved the dang things to in the store...
[23:14] <zgreg> class 6 cards are often faster than class 10 cards anyway
[23:14] <zgreg> the class 6 rating actually ensures a certain performance for random writes
[23:15] <zgreg> the class 10 rating does not
[23:15] <Ruairi> Oh - can anyone say any more about issues with Class 10
[23:15] <mrdragons> How does that work?
[23:15] <mrdragons> zgreg:
[23:15] <Ruairi> I was thinking about getting a card very soon
[23:16] <mkopack> good lord, the server is getting worse by the minute...
[23:16] <Cillian> hehe
[23:16] <mrdragons> Lol yeah, database errors everywhere
[23:16] <Cillian> The static page is probably going to be about 5 words of text with no html
[23:16] <mkopack> almost unusable. earlier 1 reload would get to to open??? now it's taking 3-6 per page
[23:17] <Ruairi> why bother reloading all the time?
[23:17] <lars_t_h> yearh, they should disable the forum system and switch to static web pages very soon
[23:17] <WASDx> at least no database errors on the static page
[23:17] <xlq> And then everyone will refresh faster and faster. Tragedy of the commons?
[23:17] <Ruairi> oh - forums
[23:18] <mkopack> Ruairi: I'm trying to read stuff on the forums, not hit the server for info updates
[23:18] <Ruairi> mkopack: fair play, sorry
[23:18] <pippin> knowing part of the crowd banging on the door, they might not be pressing F5 manually, but have a perl script doing it for them
[23:18] <mkopack> Np
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[23:19] <lars_t_h> xlq, tou know how cashing works? The webpage will be cached at sou ISP, so you actually don't load the page from the Ras pi.org web server
[23:19] <mkopack> Was trying to see what was up with the Gentoo port???
[23:19] <lars_t_h> *you
[23:19] <Cillian> That seems a bit silly. I can imagine them being 5 inutes early, but not 8 hours
[23:20] <Cillian> That'd just be evil
[23:20] <xlq> lars_t_h: I somehow doubt ISPs cache HTTP resourcs.
[23:20] <koaschten_> lars_t_h you need more *corrections ;) or a new keyboard
[23:20] <xlq> *resources.
[23:20] <mkopack> The Fedora port seems like they're porting off a very old version of Fedora (initially) and I can't see the point in running something that out of date, so was going to see where the Gentoo port was at. Looks like the Debian port will be the best bet at least initially
[23:20] <Cillian> xlq: Some do, with varying aggressiveness
[23:20] <xlq> Really?
[23:21] <lars_t_h> xlq, they do caching of static web pages
[23:21] <xlq> That's worrying.
[23:21] <Cillian> Er
[23:21] <Cillian> Not really
[23:21] <pippin> mkopack: about the fedora one.. to me, the whole insisting to build on the native arch on the hardware.. seemed odd
[23:21] <xlq> Well yes, it means they're completely interfering with my traffic.
[23:21] <Cillian> So long as stuff has sensible cache timeouts in the headers
[23:21] <Cillian> Its entirely allowable
[23:21] <mkopack> xl: Yeah, there's a service called Akamai that locally caches content on servers closer to the end users so requests can be serviced on the local ISP's network, reducing the amount of traffic out to the internet en-mass
[23:22] <xlq> mkopack: That's only if the site has set that up..
[23:22] <Cillian> A lot of things were designed assuming static pages are somewhat static :)
[23:22] <mkopack> right
[23:22] <lars_t_h> koaschten_, sorry but i have a disease there i forgot that i had typed a letter or not, and english is also not my native language, i hope you understand
[23:22] <mkopack> just saying there is tech out there to do that sort of thing
[23:22] <xlq> Is that what was meant?
[23:22] <Cillian> (And sometimes dynamic pages too, hilariously)
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[23:22] <xlq> I was thinking of ISPs doing DPI
[23:22] <Cillian> But it's not uncommon for universities and things to have a big ol cash
[23:22] <Cillian> cahe
[23:22] <Cillian> cache
[23:23] <Cillian> If you're worried about it, you can force a fetch by adding a bogus query strin
[23:23] <Cillian> g
[23:23] <nemo> zgreg: back to that chip thing. it isn't enough to have a kernel that works for a particular arm11 - it has to be that chip?
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[23:24] <nemo> zgreg: I was kinda hoping that, say, debian could slap a patch or two in and have raspberry pi support by the end of the week - or maybe they'd already have it due to some other device in that family
[23:24] <xlq> Well, there's always the kernel command line that can be used to enable BCM-specific stuff.
[23:24] <mjr> which brings us to the boot process which also is quite device-dependent ;]
[23:24] <Cillian> I was under the impression that the vanilla kernel supported ARM, and so you'd just need to add in the r-pi speific modules, which should be easy enough
[23:24] <Cillian> I think most of the hairy tuff is in userspace
[23:24] <xlq> With nothing like PCI enumeration, that's probably the only way to have a portable kernel.
[23:25] <nemo> oh. hey. I was wondering. my front door lock is, I think, 5v - 4 lion AAs...
[23:25] <DJWillis> nemo: generally in the ARM space expect things to be 'just' off kilter enough to chuck a spanner in the works ;)
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[23:25] <nemo> could I lash the pi to it, or would it suck up the batteries even when idle?
[23:25] <nemo> I thought it'd be fun to have a door that could do stuff like scan barcodes
[23:26] <mjr> suck up.
[23:26] <nemo> :-/
[23:26] <nemo> anyone have a rough idea of how long 4AA lithiums would be able to provide the pi with juice on idle?
[23:26] <nemo> it could still be fun to do for parties or on vacation
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[23:27] <mjr> are you sure you don't mean nimh though
[23:27] <nemo> mjr: nope
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[23:27] <Cillian> I've never heard of Lion AA
[23:27] <Cillian> Lithium, yeh, but not rechargable
[23:27] <dattaway>
[23:27] <nemo> Cillian: uh. there are tons of 'em
[23:27] <IT_Sean> hahah
[23:27] <nemo> Cillian: sure. not rechargeable
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[23:28] <Cillian> hat's lithium, not lithium ion, IIRC
[23:28] <nemo> ummm
[23:28] <nemo> hm
[23:28] <Cillian> I think Lion and Lipo are specific to rechargables
[23:28] <IT_Sean> You are not going to find LiIon (rechargable) AAs
[23:28] <dattaway> use the lithium ion batteries from laptops...they are 18650 sized, fatter than AA
[23:28] <Tachyon`> hrm
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[23:29] <Tachyon`> aren't they also over 3v per cell?
[23:29] <mkopack> There ARE Lithium AA's out there??? non-rechargeables...
[23:29] <nemo> ok. welp. new question. is there an external battery pack you guys would suggest for powering the pi
[23:29] <nemo> mkopack: yeah. I get the distinction now.
[23:29] <Cillian> A car battery
[23:29] <Cillian> :D
[23:29] <nemo> small and very portable and ideally light
[23:29] <mrdragons> I plan to use an rc car battery
[23:29] <DJWillis> nemo: a lot of that would depend on the draw sat idle in userspace and the state of PM and cpufreq in the kernel, sort of unknowns for me (well for the Pi) but in the case of other ARM boards I expect you could lash up something usable with common AA's.
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> nemo: For what period?
[23:29] <nemo> like, let's say, something that a blimp could lift :D
[23:29] <krosis> There are as sized li ion rechargables
[23:29] <mkopack> gotta be very careful about the power regulation. The Rpi doesn't have much/any protection on it
[23:29] <krosis> But they require an external controller iirc
[23:29] <Tachyon`> I thuoght it had regulators
[23:30] <Cillian> nemo: Blimps can lift car batteries. If they're big enough. :)
[23:30] <mrdragons> Tachyon: They took them off
[23:30] <xlq> Sealed lead-acid maybe?
[23:30] <Tachyon`> I'm quite sure it doesn't actually run on 5v thuogh...
[23:30] <nemo> Cillian: small RC blimp :-p
[23:30] <krosis> Er "AA" sized not as
[23:30] <xlq> a "gel cell"
[23:30] <mjr> yeaaah don't put 4 li-ion batteries in series and feed that in the pi
[23:30] <nemo> mjr: oh? :(
[23:30] <Cillian> *shrug* you can get dead cheap lithium ion batteries. Just look on ebay for knockoff phone batteries
[23:30] <Tachyon`> I was thinking 4 AA NiMH myself
[23:30] <mkopack> Tach: the production boards don't have as good regulation as the Alphas did.. Cost cutting measure...
[23:30] <mrdragons> Tachyon: And yes, it does run on 5v
[23:30] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:30] <Cillian> mkopack: What's the tolerance?
[23:31] <Tachyon`> 7805
[23:31] <krosis> The "AA" li-ion are 3.7V cells
[23:31] <mkopack> Dunno. you'd have to look it up on the forums??? I'm not much of an EE guy, especially when it comes to power/analog stuff
[23:31] <IT_Sean> yeah... for those of you running off a battery... actually, for everyone... whatever power source you use, make sure it is properly regulated.
[23:31] <mjr> nemo, yeah what krosis said
[23:31] <Cillian> 7805 will need a decent volt or so over 5 unless you have a low dropout ersion
[23:31] <Tachyon`> it's not 5v, heh, it's 3.3v if not actually less than that, I doubt anythin gbut the USB actually uses 5v
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[23:31] <mjr> the total voltage would be around 14-15 volts
[23:31] <DJWillis> Cillian: just use a DS battery, easy to get and easy to salvage knocked off chagers for bits when you need to juice back into it ;)
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> Do not use a 7805 - use an appropriate switching regulator.
[23:31] <Cillian> Well, if it's 3.3 then you can use a linear reg down from 5. LDO if you need
[23:31] <Cillian> SpeedEvil: ?
[23:32] <Tachyon`> I'm sure it's expecting 5 on the power input
[23:32] <nemo> Tachyon`: ok. 4 NiMH would be 5v I guess. but is that safe?
[23:32] <Thorn_> 5v regulated input.
[23:32] <Tachyon`> I just don't think that's what's actually being used by the chipset
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> If it's battery powered, you do not want to use a 7805.
[23:32] <krosis> 4 nimh sounds like an easier option
[23:32] <nemo> Tachyon`: mjr here is worrying me now
[23:32] <ceng> !ticker
[23:32] <PiBot> ceng: 7 hours, 28 minutes and 22 seconds till announce.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> nemo: No.
[23:32] <Tachyon`> oh, do I not?
[23:32] <Cillian> SpeedEvil: Unless you hate the planet :)
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Not unless we actually have a schematic and datasheet.
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[23:33] <nemo> SpeedEvil: random googling http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/1-25v-2700mah-nimh-aa-batteries-4--ORI13502
[23:33] <Tachyon`> 4xAA NiMH should be 4.8 but it's always a little higher at full charge
[23:33] <nemo> specs n everything
[23:33] <Tachyon`> just not sure if it'd be too high
[23:33] <mkopack> IIRC I think they went with linear regulators...
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[23:33] <nemo> mjr: so. do you take returns? :D :D
[23:33] <krosis> USB is (I think) 10% voltage tolerance, so I assume 4.5-5.5 should be ok?
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[23:33] <mjr> I'd consider 4 NiMH in series safe enough. They're not too much over when full. But I won't take responsibility for fried pie ;]
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Specs of the pi - you'd need to work out what voltage it can actually run on.
[23:34] <mjr> nemo, returns of what? I'm not a vendor here :]
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> nemo: And that's complete bullshit.
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[23:34] <nemo> ah
[23:34] <Tachyon`> err, well, that's why I was thinking the 7805, just to be on the safe side
[23:34] <nemo> SpeedEvil: ???
[23:34] <mkopack> I'm hoping they'll break out the forums a bit into different categories so we can have a whole section on power related stuff
[23:34] <Tachyon`> but if it's too lossy I won't bother
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Those batteries will vary from 1.55V or so fresh off a fast charge to 1.1V when dead.
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[23:34] <SpeedEvil> So - 6.2V to 4V
[23:34] <Tachyon`> what, oridinary 1.2v NiMH?
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[23:34] <Tachyon`> oh, that is a bit concerning
[23:34] <Cillian> Tachyon`: 7805 is a linear regulator, which means it wastes all the power from the unwanted volts
[23:34] <Tomtiger11> Use a micro USB cable, from a radio or something
[23:34] <Ben64> how can I tell if a plug in transformer would be good for the r-???
[23:35] <haltdef> I wouldn't be happy feeding my pi with such a wide range
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[23:35] <nemo> well. that's sad :(
[23:35] <Tachyon`> cian1500ww, I am open to suggestions
[23:35] <nemo> I was really looking forward to easy battery operated
[23:35] <Tachyon`> er
[23:35] <Tachyon`> Cillian even
[23:35] <Cillian> Tachyon`: So if you start with 10V and regulate to 5V, you're wasting half the power out of the batteries
[23:35] <krosis> All the the new nimh I've used recently are around 1.35-1.45 when full
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: Find a regulated 5V powerr supply. In principle, a USB 'charger' will work - in practice, you should at least measure the voltage.
[23:35] <Ben64> nemo: make a mintyboost
[23:35] <haltdef> have you considered one of those phone charger packs?
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[23:35] <Cillian> Tachyon`: Switching regulators are magic and waste hardly any power. Just a little trickier to use
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> USB chargers may exceed 6V
[23:35] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: well i have one that isn't usb, but says 5v 2A on it
[23:35] <Cillian> SpeedEvil: I have a "usb" charger which puts out 14
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[23:36] <Tachyon`> buying one of those for my bike actually
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> I would recommend using one of the phone charger packs.
[23:36] <Tachyon`> well, already bought, just working its way here from china
[23:36] <nemo> well. now you guys are worrying me. what about stuff that offers USB power, like my car's AC/DC converter
[23:36] <nemo> might that be unsafe
[23:36] <nemo> er
[23:36] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: do I just hook up my multimeter to it and if its 5, its good?
[23:36] <nemo> DC/AC
[23:36] <Tachyon`> (bike 36v output, 5v needed)
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It's at least a basic check.
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[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: There can be other issues meaning especially very cheap USB converters are unsafe.
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[23:37] * Tachyon` eyes the USB output on his pandora
[23:37] <Tachyon`> perhaps that'll do for now
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> For example, of 10 random USB chargers bought cheap from ebay, none would actually meet, and most would not come close to UK regulations.
[23:37] <Tachyon`> it'd kill my pandora but I can do it that way
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> Some seperated the 'live' side from the '5v' side just using the insulation on the transformer wire.
[23:37] <Tachyon`> oh, I've noticed some of them are dodgy as hell
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> And many exploded when shorted.
[23:37] <Tachyon`> I got an 'interesting' ds charger from amazon once too
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[23:38] <Tachyon`> fold up plug I'm sure never passed any approval process
[23:38] <Tachyon`> and it sort of came apart after little use
[23:38] <Tachyon`> exposing the mains
[23:38] <DJWillis> Tachyon`: actually, I would expect to be able to power the Pi off the OpenPandora output on the host port if your careful, we designed in a little slack there but don't push it ;)
[23:38] <Tachyon`> seems to be quite a bit of that about these days
[23:38] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:39] <Tachyon`> lol, thankyou -.o
[23:39] <Tachyon`> I shall use that then
[23:39] <piofcube> I opened a cheap and thankfully unused charger just yesterday.. the 240 supply wire had about 2cms of bared and tinned wire exposed and it was pushed up against a leg of one of the caps on the 5v side.
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[23:39] <SpeedEvil> In short - if you want to be safe - you pretty much need to get a spare for something direct from the maker.
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> Is it out yet?
[23:39] <PiBot> Foxhoundz: 7 hours, 21 minutes and 4 seconds till announce.
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> Sexy
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> For example, an amazon kindle plug, from amazon.
[23:39] <mkopack> ok, catch you guys in a bit. Heading to Tilted Kilt for dinner??? Food, drink and hot young women in short kilts and halter tops :D
[23:39] <Tachyon`> I actually meant it'd kill the pandora battery, missed a word out -.-
[23:39] <Tachyon`> not the pandora itself
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> At the least - you need to measure the voltage.
[23:40] <lars_t_h> I think i will make a DIY power supply, complete with schematic and everything (i am embedded systems engineer) on the, should be to easy to make
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[23:40] <Tachyon`> didn't think it'd kill the pandora battery, the 3G dongle hanging off a hub didn't
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> lars_t_h: It's actually surprisingly annoying.
[23:40] <Tachyon`> which hinted it was fairly forgiving
[23:40] <DJWillis> Tachyon`: well caveat is that it would be out of spec for the OP and I won't warrenty it ;) but we had so many snags with EHCI that a lot got beefed up in the design.
[23:40] <Tachyon`> er, kill the pandora itself
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> lars_t_h: Taking into account under and overchatge protection, charging properly from USB, ...
[23:40] <Tachyon`> kinda tired
[23:41] <Tachyon`> I suspect I won't be sleeping either
[23:41] <lars_t_h> SpeedEvil, true
[23:41] <Tachyon`> I think you can guess why
[23:41] <mrdragons> Why's that? Imsoniac? ;)
[23:41] <Tachyon`> I shall have one, lol
[23:41] <DJWillis> Tachyon`: excessive draw 'should' ice the EHCI before it damages anything, should that is ;)
[23:41] <Henchman24> somalian pirates hijacked the shipment
[23:41] <Foxhoundz> lot of people are going to be unhappy when Pi is released
[23:41] <Tachyon`> hrm, perhaps I'll just poke the phone charger with a meter
[23:42] <mrdragons> I'm always up at around 1am, should be an easy grab
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> people have unreasonable expectations for the OS
[23:42] <Tachyon`> and make sure 5v is what it's putting out
[23:42] <Foxhoundz> and the board
[23:42] <lars_t_h> SpeedEvil, i will, i know that they will a lot higher voltage available if th ecurrent is low
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[23:42] <nemo> so. yeah. what about my car DC/AC inverter, it has a USB out. actually, for that matter. hm. my car has a USB out for flash drives. what about that?
[23:42] <Tachyon`> I was thinking pandora for portable use mostly
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> nemo: It depends - generally those are OK.
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> nemo: I've not seen a very inaccurate one. I'd want to measure it though
[23:43] <nemo> SpeedEvil: so. what's the general rule. anything that is a usb port is probably safe to stick a pi into? :)
[23:43] <nemo> no condoms?
[23:43] <Tachyon`> I hope the kernel can be persuaded to work with the nokia 640x360 OLED display
[23:43] <mrdragons> Yeah, you really, really want to worry about the cheap chargers though
[23:43] <Tachyon`> connected via the on board lcd interface
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[23:43] <Foxhoundz> I got a question
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Regrettably not.
[23:43] <DJWillis> Foxhoundz: really? Oh, expectations about the OS, I am working on the view it is in a moderate state, actually I know nothing about the OS, my reason for getting one is to get support for it into OpenEmbedded/Angstrom.
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> nemo: The cheap chargers out there produce a sort-of-regulated voltage that can vary significantly.
[23:44] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: what if i found a 5v non-usb transformer? good?
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[23:44] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: Again, it can vary. The problem is basically that if it has 5V stamped on it - it may not even be designed to provide 5V at 0 load.
[23:44] <DJWillis> Foxhoundz: what's the question?
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It may be designed to produce only 5V at the nominal load.
[23:44] <Ben64> ok, guess its time to get my multimeter
[23:44] <mjr> SpeedEvil, hey, you might actually know, are the OpenMoko chargers decent 5V?
[23:44] <Tachyon`> if there's a suitable risc os port for it
[23:45] <Tachyon`> I will be able to work on the native pandora image
[23:45] <nemo> mjr: heh. need a new logo
[23:45] <Tachyon`> currently I don't have a suitable machine to work on
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> mjr: I haven't got one. I'd imagine so - the EE people on that were generally cliefull
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> clue
[23:45] <Tachyon`> hence pandrpcemu actually
[23:45] <traeak> i would assume a nokia or samsung charger would be fine as well
[23:45] <nemo> mjr: a raspberry pi + some frills to stamp - raspberry pi approved device :)
[23:45] <Cillian> Not necessarily
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> traeak: Again - with some of those, the above comes in - early nokia chargers in particular did not regulate voltage much, but regulated current
[23:46] <DJWillis> Tachyon`: your not one of the guys getting RiscOS up on the Pandora are you?
[23:46] <krosis> Remind me, what's the expected current draw for the pi?
[23:46] <Cillian> A lot of reputable ompanies have chargers which look like USB and have USB connectors but aren't 5V - ie. asus
[23:46] <Foxhoundz> 1) Is hardware acceleration enabled ? 2) Can the Pi run off of a USB cable?
[23:46] <Cillian> yes yes
[23:46] <Tachyon`> I'm a guy, I wasn't aware other efforts were being made and hadn't mentioned it
[23:46] <Ben64> would it run off of voltages from 3.3v - 5v?
[23:46] <mjr> krosis, 800mA for the B
[23:46] <Tachyon`> I was Hideki but you would only know me from rpcemu really
[23:47] <Tachyon`> but you're probably thinking of someone else
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[23:47] <Tachyon`> as I've not had what I need to do anything (mainly the required acorn hardware)
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It is not unlikely that it will function in some way at 3.?V
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: USB may drop out.
[23:47] <DJWillis> Tachyon`: well I pick up bits and bobs, ahhh, that sort of makes sense, I tend to just hide in what I hack on. So the OpenPandora firmware, ARM messing and ScummVM ;)
[23:47] <nemo> in terms of long-term damage. is there any way the pi can report voltage spikes to the OS? like, if it seemed to be dirty, I could get warned so I could yank it before it was really bad?
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[23:47] <nemo> something in /proc? :)
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: However, we'd need schematics and documentation on the chip.
[23:48] <Tachyon`> I just ported rpcemu and released it with the open source rom for pandora but that is all
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> nemo: It's unlikely.
[23:48] <Tachyon`> I'll be happy if others are working on it certainly, lol
[23:48] <traeak> bad thing about these microusb power connectors is it's hard to get probes in there to measure voltage :(
[23:48] <mjr> Foxhoundz, 1) yes for whatever the proprietary blobs do. X is not accelerated. OpenGL ES is, for instance. 2) The B model needs 800mA so the other end has to be able to source (without negotiation) more than the USB standard maximum. This may or may not be the case for a random port.
[23:48] <Tachyon`> as the best way to describe it atm is 'interesting'
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[23:48] <Tachyon`> the source etc. I mean
[23:49] <Ben64> looks like this transformer is putting out 5.05v at almost 0 load (just multimeter)
[23:49] <mrdragons> mjr: It need 800ma now? 0_o
[23:49] <Tachyon`> but on the pandora or this raspberry pi it will be a very fast and efficient OS if it is persuaded to work
[23:49] <nemo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875995200
[23:49] <Tachyon`> is the SD card on the internal USB or on a seperate bus?
[23:50] <traeak> separate i think
[23:50] <Tachyon`> on the raspberry pi
[23:50] <mjr> separate
[23:50] <Tachyon`> argh
[23:50] <Tachyon`> oh well, can't have everything I suppose
[23:50] <Tomtiger11> Separate bus
[23:50] <Tachyon`> open risc os supports a lot of usb stuff as is
[23:50] <Tachyon`> but might well require some work to access the on board SD
[23:50] <Ben64> 5.03v under load
[23:50] <xlq> Tachyon`: Why is that bad?
[23:51] <Tachyon`> it's not bad as such
[23:51] <Ben64> i think my power supply passes the test!
[23:51] <mjr> mrdragons, krosis, oops, I misremembered, 700mA
[23:51] <mjr> good catch
[23:51] <nemo> SpeedEvil: based on reviews, sounds like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07Y06M2172 is precisely the sort of thing you would not recommend
[23:51] <Tachyon`> just possibly not helpful in this particular instance, lol
[23:51] <mjr> regardless, needs more than the USB2 maximum
[23:51] <Ben64> nemo: i have one of those from amazon
[23:52] <nemo> Ben64: so? :)
[23:52] <Ben64> nemo: its not bad
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> nemo: One review is not a good basis.
[23:52] <nemo> oh good
[23:52] <Ben64> its not great though
[23:52] <Ben64> i took out one of the data pins so it wouldn't melt itself
[23:52] <nemo> yeep
[23:53] <Ben64> probably better for pi than my phone
[23:53] <Ben64> phone is hungry
[23:53] <nemo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07Y0873741 - I guess this one would have a longer life
[23:53] <curahack> not even the damn RPi stickers are in stock :(
[23:53] <traeak> mjr: the rpi is the cheap dose to get you hooked...the real crack comes later :-p
[23:54] <Ben64> nemo: thats pretty cool
[23:54] <Ben64> looks like it could be used as a UPS
[23:54] <nemo> Ben64: there are a ton of 'em at $30 on newegg
[23:54] <nemo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07Y08C1270
[23:54] <ceng> !ticker
[23:54] <PiBot> ceng: 7 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds till announce.
[23:55] <Ben64> nice, 2A output
[23:55] <mrdragons> mjr: Huh, I thought it was ~300mA from the first couple of benchmarks on the alpha board
[23:55] <nemo> Ben64: and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07Y08C1271 - I honestly have no idea which of these to get
[23:56] <nemo> Ben64: perhaps I'll wait for other early adopters to send in reports
[23:56] <mjr> mrdragons, well those are the numbers "out there", eg. on the wikipedia and IIRC some forum somewhere. AFAIK it's a "maximum" though. And the A should work under 500mA reportedly.
[23:57] <ReggieUK> gonna be a while waiting for that brick to recharge
[23:57] <Ben64> nemo: the first one is smaller and more power
[23:58] <mjr> I've no first-hand knowledge though.
[23:58] <nemo> Ben64: yeah, I mean in terms of reliability - people here are scaring me now
[23:58] <Ben64> its lithium ion battery
[23:58] <mjr> anyway, sleep
[23:58] <Ben64> doesn't vary very much
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[23:58] <acfrazier> !ticker
[23:58] <PiBot> acfrazier: 7 hours,40 seconds till announce.
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[23:59] <chalkbag> !ticker
[23:59] <PiBot> chalkbag: 7 hours,55 seconds till announce.
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