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IRC Log for 2012-03-03

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[0:00] <fragalot> all I can think atm is "byebye picotux. you had a nice run"
[0:00] <fragalot> lol
[0:00] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: If there's ever another version with a newer processor, hopefully it would be a USB 3.0 port...
[0:00] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: USB 3.0 is capable of 5GBps
[0:00] <Vazde> and usb3 has interrupts
[0:01] <fragalot> interrupts++
[0:02] <strigel> I want USB 3 for 25 quid!
[0:02] <fragalot> strigel: you can
[0:02] <fragalot> in the form of a pci card
[0:02] <fragalot> :P
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be nice to see Pi with 1GB of ram maybe a 1Ghz or a Dual Core something, and USB 3
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> that'd be nice
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:02] <strigel> I see the rpi as a revolutionary seed
[0:02] <fragalot> strigel: I agree
[0:03] <Xark_> strigel: And SATA with Bluetooth, WiFi and all codecs...booting to Windows 8 and/or iOS. :)
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[0:03] <strigel> a pre-cursor to what lies ahead in terms of price performance
[0:03] <Aquilus_> No, no. We need an RPI with Ivy Bridge and 16 GB of RAM
[0:03] <strigel> but what it offers NOW is good enough
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed it is, but it'd still be nice to see more in the future
[0:03] <fragalot> even though they'll release the plans & everything, it's still not going to be a "let's DIY one!" board though
[0:03] <piofcube> strigel: and with many revolutions and big breakthoughs... we're not sure where it will lead :-)
[0:03] <fragalot> broadcom dunwerk that way :<
[0:03] <piless> but then the pi wouldn't be able to meet the target price-point
[0:03] <Aquilus_> The low specs are actually a GOOD thing from a programming standpoint.
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[0:03] <Aquilus_> It forces efficient programming.
[0:04] <Aquilus_> You can get away with a lot of shoddy stuff on modern machines :p
[0:04] <piless> the pi needs to be cheap if they want it to be in schools everywhere
[0:04] <fragalot> Aquilus_: if we're honest, the specs aren't all that low
[0:04] <strigel> there are some real non-geeks in my office who have registered interest
[0:04] <strigel> that is powerful stuff
[0:04] <fragalot> i'm used to programming on 4Mhz boards that don't even keep a stack >.>
[0:04] <Xark_> Aquilus_: I agree. Tossing anothere Ghz or GB at the problem on PCs is boooring. :)
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> The specs are honestly on par with most mid range android devices
[0:04] <piofcube> More powerful what it's done to peoples' minds than how fast it can run Crysis ;-)
[0:05] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: yes, and the 3d surpases all but the high end Android devices
[0:05] * Xark_ remembers having lots of fun with 1Mhz, 128 bytes RAM and 4K ROM (race the beam baby). :)
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[0:05] <fragalot> Xark_: :D
[0:06] <strigel> lol Xark, I am OLDER
[0:06] <fragalot> what matters to me more than raw speed & space is how RELIABLE it is
[0:06] <Binman59> Xark are you still here? :0
[0:06] <fragalot> and the latency
[0:06] <strigel> I had a zx81, 1k ram when I was ten
[0:06] <Xark_> Binman59: Well, I did sleep and wake up... :)
[0:06] <fragalot> Binman59: he just passed of old age
[0:06] <fragalot> sorry
[0:06] <Binman59> Perhaps you should consider taking a break :P
[0:06] <fragalot> strigel: I still have & use a Sinclair QL
[0:06] <piofcube> Anyone bought their zx81 in kit form?
[0:06] <ReggieUK> have a kitkat
[0:06] <fragalot> which has tapes that are so reliable, you NEED to run them in RAID 1
[0:06] <strigel> ooh fragalot, tape drives
[0:06] <Binman59> Damn I can't believe he's dead
[0:06] <strigel> I remember the smell
[0:07] <ReggieUK> who's dead?
[0:07] <fragalot> bought a tape? need to buy a blank too! :D
[0:07] <Binman59> Xark
[0:07] <MrWatson> is it out yet?
[0:07] <MrWatson> lol
[0:07] <PiBot> MrWatson: Maybe you should check to see what www.raspberrypi.org has to say?
[0:07] <fragalot> strigel: i'm missing the U key though :'( -- the joystick still works fine though :D
[0:07] <strigel> the ql was so sharp, you could cut someone
[0:07] <fragalot> haha
[0:07] <Xark_> strigel: Right on, you have me beat. I will mention the 2600 was for my first professional game development job (so that was fun to experience). I never shipped on 2600 though, since the market died just then. :)
[0:07] <strigel> No one has ever mentioned the QL to me since the 80's
[0:08] <strigel> I had forgotten it :)
[0:08] <fragalot> :O
[0:08] <piofcube> those little microcassette things on the QL LOL
[0:08] <fragalot> but it's history!
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> It'll be nice to seehow far people actually push the Pi beyond that "implied" boundries of just education.
[0:08] <fragalot> I think I still have some of my spreadsheets
[0:08] <fragalot> lol
[0:08] <fragalot> I even remember having a 3D game!
[0:08] <fragalot> well... BJ in 3D land
[0:08] <strigel> I was paid ??10 to write a program on the zx81 that would calculate the volume of a log for a timber yard in 1982
[0:09] <fragalot> which was essentially a 2D platform game,... tilted.
[0:09] <Xark_> strigel: I really wanted one, then I heard about stringy floppies... :)
[0:09] <strigel> i was 12
[0:09] <piofcube> Using colour grids for the DRM... "select colour at location 34x23"
[0:09] <fragalot> oh. ZIP drives.. whatever happened to those?
[0:09] <fragalot> or JAZZ drives
[0:09] <GabrialDestruir> The age in this room is showing again
[0:09] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:09] * Xark_ had a 68008 card for his Apple ][ :)
[0:09] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[0:09] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: i'm 21... or 22... somewhere around that
[0:09] <strigel> Xark: stringy floppies? story of my life
[0:09] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: It is a hazard with Raspberry Pi it seems. :)
[0:10] <fragalot> ... I hopped onto the tech bandwagon at an early age >.<
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed it is.
[0:10] <fragalot> Xark_: showoff
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> Seems the the Pi brings back nostalgia for all the old computers .-.
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[0:10] <fragalot> I had a set of voodoo II cards in my first real PC
[0:10] <Xark_> fragalot: It was fun to play with, but it was slower than the 1Mhz 6502. :)
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> Which is ironic considering the Pi outclasses anything before 95 probably.
[0:10] <fragalot> bugger manages to run DOOM 3 !
[0:11] <fragalot> Xark_: haha
[0:11] <fragalot> I remember the "turbo" button on my aunt's pc
[0:11] <strigel> Xark: I will never forget the first time I saw quake hardware accelerated on my first voodoo at 640x480
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir> Did the Turbo buttons even work?
[0:11] * piofcube sings "I got my first real PC... Bought at IBM..." badly LOL
[0:11] <strigel> DM4, aahh
[0:11] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: if you depressed it... it made things slower
[0:11] <fragalot> lol
[0:11] <Xark_> strigel: Yeah, I remember that. I got a free Voodoo card for my company too (which went in my PC). :)
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> I remember a few computers with turbo buttons... and pressing or depressing it never seemd to do anything
[0:12] <fragalot> Xark_: I distinctly remember having 3 cards
[0:12] <fragalot> one for 2D & 2 for 3D
[0:12] <fragalot> lol
[0:12] <strigel> turbo buttons...they went out just before reset buttons didn't they?
[0:12] <fragalot> I think it was a matrox & 2 voodoo II's
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't take my first computer apart until 2000 and something
[0:12] <piofcube> the good old turbo... when programmers used as much power as they could so when the frequencies went up.. the games played like on steroids...
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:13] <fragalot> piofcube: that's quite a shame really
[0:13] <strigel> I spent my whole University loan for a term on a 486
[0:13] <fragalot> i have plenty of old games that just won't work anymore
[0:13] <fragalot> some of which are still quite cool... heavy gear & pod for example
[0:14] <piofcube> you had to install software which just used up the CPU cycles to bog it down so you could play them
[0:14] <GabrialDestruir> I remember some games I had, that went crazy when I installed them on faster PCs .-.
[0:14] <strigel> fragalot: POD was a classic in ghost mode.. some of those tracks
[0:14] <fragalot> strigel: :D
[0:14] <strigel> ...descent :)
[0:14] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: I like doing it the other way 'round
[0:14] <strigel> that was hardcore
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[0:14] <fragalot> find a hard flash game, play on slow computer, beat all the highscores
[0:14] <fragalot> :D
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir> Why?
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[0:15] <fragalot> because you get a LOT more time to react
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[0:15] <fragalot> take this game for example
[0:15] <strigel> because flash doesn't frameskip
[0:15] <fragalot> http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/
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[0:15] <strigel> it just slows down
[0:15] <piofcube> GOG have brought back some games and re-compiled them to run on the faster CPUs
[0:16] <strigel> what was that setting in Q3 that let you slow down the gameplay? You could then record a demo which played back at full speed making you look like an insane ninja
[0:16] <GabrialDestruir> Seems Farnell won't be addressing my issue of apparent random stock allocation instead of first come first serve >.>
[0:16] <piofcube> Kings quest, magic carpet, Ultima etc
[0:18] <Xark_> piofcube: Hmm, I haven't visited them lately.
[0:18] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: how do you know it was random?
[0:18] <piless> GabrialDestruir: First come first serve is fairer
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[0:19] <bbeattie> I got an e-mail from RS earlier because I submitted for 'more information' since purchasing hadn't shown up then 7 hours later I finally was able to get an order in. I wonder if I took them up on the e-mail for 'first come first serve' if I'd get that unit before the one I've already ordered from newark
[0:21] <fragalot> lol
[0:21] <Xark_> piofcube: I am thinking that Raspberry Pi is the first candidate for a ubiquitous open platform that can play some solid games (i.e., homebrew or "classic" game console target system).
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[0:22] <strigel> Xark: I will personally be rolling up my sleeves and converting at least a couple of games from Open GL to ES
[0:22] <strigel> just because I believe in the revolution
[0:22] <Xark_> strigel: Cool. I suspect once the shaders are written that should get a lot easier (i.e., after the first game or two). :)
[0:23] <strigel> Xark: yes, and there may well be some SDL issues to tackle, which once solved, will open the doors
[0:23] <Xark_> strigel: From what I can glean the RP, should be kind of like an original Xbox with a lot more memory and storage.
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[0:24] <strigel> Xark_: yes, the 3d rendering potential is not insubstantial :)
[0:24] <Xark_> strigel: No doubt. However, I think SDL is already semi-ported.
[0:24] <piless> Xark_: my original xbox had a 250gb hdd in it
[0:25] <Xark_> piless: Hehe, perhaps I should have added the phrase "stock". Mine is green...
[0:25] <fragalot> piless: original?
[0:25] <piless> Xark_: Hmm, well stock came with an 8gb hdd.
[0:25] <fragalot> mine only had 8gb
[0:25] <fragalot> thought so
[0:25] <fragalot> :D
[0:26] <piless> There were tons of benefits of swapping out and cloning the hdd
[0:26] <fragalot> aye
[0:26] <fragalot> all i did to mine was mod in a usb port
[0:26] <strigel> For me, the exciting thing is that this plaform will achieve mass appeal, which makes me want to get behind it
[0:26] <piless> You could rip games to the hdd, which was amazing
[0:26] <strigel> plus it's David Braben
[0:27] <Xark_> strigel: Yeah, that is cool. I was just watching a nice video he did showing off the RP. :)
[0:27] <strigel> ...........................................
[0:27] <piless> fragalot: the original xbox controllers were actually usb, just in a proprietary port. You could get adapters which allowed you to have a usb port on the break-away cable part
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[0:27] <Xark_> ...format complete!
[0:28] <strigel> .... <- me leaning on the keyboard :)
[0:28] <Byan> I forgot to call allied today
[0:28] <Byan> I wonder if they are still open..
[0:28] <piless> miuk <- face-plant on keyboard
[0:28] <Byan> did anyone get a lead time from them yet?
[0:29] <fragalot> piless: I skipped that bit & just soldered a usb cable onto the board & brought that outside :P
[0:29] <ReggieUK> wednesday byan
[0:29] <strigel> piless: yes, you could wire xbox controllers for the PC easily. And for some reason, racing wheels were so much cheaper for the Xbox
[0:29] <Byan> uh what now ReggieUK
[0:29] <fragalot> anyway bed for me
[0:29] <fragalot> gnite all
[0:29] <strigel> cya fragalot
[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> Now days the 360 controllers the wired ones anyways.
[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> Already have PC support
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[0:30] <piless> you could also use it like this, http://www.adflyer.co.uk/computers-and-software/consoles-and-games/console-accessories/console-adapters/usb-adapter-for-xbox-femal/564091
[0:30] <ReggieUK> you can recover the light ring board from a busted 360 and use that to pair a 360 controller ot a pc these days
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[0:31] <piless> so you could connect thumbdrives
[0:31] <Xark_> Hopefully the RP will work with 360 or PS3 (or PC) controllers for games. I think SDL can deal with those already.
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[0:31] <ReggieUK> sdl shouldn't care about the controller
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[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> There's linux drivers for the 360 controller....
[0:31] <Byan> ReggieUK: what about wednesday?
[0:31] <ReggieUK> I was joking, you asked for a lead time
[0:31] <Xark_> ReggieUK: Well, I want it to care enough to detect the one and map the buttions rationally. :)
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[0:32] <Byan> oh meh
[0:32] <strigel> my fave recent PC/console crossover story : my colleague is running Dolphin, the wii emulator. Instead of the sensor bar, he runs two tea light candles, and it works great
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[0:32] <ReggieUK> Xark, sure but in essence it's not something SDL worries about per say
[0:32] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: I believe PS3 wired too.
[0:32] <ReggieUK> like getting a wiimote working for an SDL game is just a question of mapping
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> Some are yea, but it doesn't come with native support I don't think
[0:32] <piless> the wii sensor bar is just two infra-red leds
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[0:33] <Byan> strigel: the sensor par just transmits light?
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> At the very least not a lot of games support PS3 controllers, you have to use like joystick mapping
[0:33] <Byan> hrmmm
[0:33] <strigel> piless: yes, hence why two candles can replace it :)
[0:33] <Xark_> ReggieUK: I understand. I just want it hooked up "end to end" on RP.
[0:33] <strigel> Byan: supposedly
[0:33] <piless> Byan: Yeah, it's a brilliantly simple design
[0:33] <Byan> seems sort of misnamed then
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[0:33] <Xark_> ReggieUK: I expect it to "just work" (Linux USB),
[0:33] <strigel> Byan: yes it does. Marketing :)
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> Technically all the sensor bar is tell the remote where the TV is
[0:33] <ReggieUK> it's not windows
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> using infrared lights, that's it
[0:34] <ReggieUK> so you might just have to make it work
[0:34] <piless> The controllers used bluetooth to connect to the console
[0:34] <ReggieUK> but it won't be anything major
[0:34] <Byan> GabrialDestruir: I am surprised it needs that though..
[0:34] <Byan> TV's are pretty bright..
[0:34] <strigel> piless: yes that's right
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[0:34] <strigel> piless: I am a glovepie user, so I am very familiar :)
[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think a lot of TVs give of infrared though? Not sure why they went with infrared
[0:34] <Xark_> ReggieUK: Yes, and when I am done (or someone else in the community) it will "just work".
[0:34] <ReggieUK> cool, go for it
[0:35] <piless> The infrared leds were just reference points
[0:35] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe so it could get used with things like projector screens too
[0:36] <nuil> http://megabitmeter.de/
[0:36] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: they went with infrared for cost reasons
[0:36] <piless> I love how mobile phone cameras can see the infrared light from the remotes that we can't see. So you can check whether your remotes batteries were working by looking at through your phone
[0:36] <strigel> it was the cheapest way for effective operation
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[0:37] <Xark_> ReggieUK: One nice thing about the "fixed" nature of the RP hardware is it should be possible to have a nice "out of the box" SDK and game environment that is console-like (as opposed to like getting games running on normal Linux etc.). At least that is a hope. :)
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[0:37] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to break the law and steal my neighbors interwebs to try and combine my internet and theirs into a super internet >.>
[0:38] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: are they on wep or wpa?
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[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> Might actually break 10Mb/s >.>
[0:38] <DDave> GabrialDestruir: trunking
[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> Open
[0:38] <piless> Xark_: It wouldn't be able to compete with the texture size requirements most modern games have
[0:38] <DDave> thats the name
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[0:38] <ReggieUK> I think that's a while off
[0:38] <Xark_> piless: Thankfully it wouldn't have too. :)
[0:38] <ReggieUK> @ Xark_
[0:38] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: naughty
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[0:38] <Xark_> piless: More like a replacement for Wii or PSP etc. homebrew.
[0:39] <GabrialDestruir> I don't have any Wifi Adapters that I can use to break WEP, that I know of.
[0:39] <strigel> for me, what nintendo proved with the Wii is that the latest 3d rendering capability is not synonymous with the best gameplay experience, something we should learn from
[0:39] <DDave> buy one
[0:39] <DDave> theyre like 17USD..
[0:39] <piless> Xark_: I dunno.. Open source games have always seemed to be a bit meh for me. They always seemed to try and include tux as the main character aswell
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> I'm planning to later after I get my Pi
[0:40] <DDave> GabrialDestruir: up for a suggestion?
[0:40] <piless> GabrialDestruir: There's plently of wifi adaptors that can crack wep on dealextreme
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[0:40] <DDave> GabrialDestruir: piless http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS036H-802-11b-Wireless-network/dp/B002WCEWU8
[0:40] <DDave> :D
[0:40] <Xark_> piless: I hear you. I am thinking more off an open place for indies (as opposed to App store or flash game). Again, mostly to get kids interested (and I am just a big old kid).
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I'm nor sure I trust deal extreme anymore
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> not*
[0:41] <DDave> What happened with dx?
[0:41] <strigel> My wife, Jolanda says hi to all the nerds
[0:41] <DDave> That Alfa is fully comptible with airplay and so on
[0:41] <Reventlov> warning.
[0:41] <ksx4system> GabrialDestruir, why? dx is quite nice
[0:41] <strigel> can someone say hi back please
[0:41] <Reventlov> not all alfa
[0:41] <DDave> strigel: a stranger, from some part o the world says hello and hopes she has a very good evening
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> I received a flash cart for the DS to play GBA games and it fried my ds
[0:41] <Reventlov> hi back please
[0:41] <DDave> Reventlov: I checked this one.
[0:41] <ksx4system> strigel: hello!
[0:41] <DDave> strigel: sooo......... is she hot?
[0:41] <piless> DDave: I've got a similar model, except with a realtek chip 8187 chip
[0:41] <Reventlov> Alfa AWUS036NHR sucks.
[0:42] <DDave> I mean, im doing everyone a favor.
[0:42] <piofcube> piless: hmm.. not many tux avatars here http://www.redferret.net/?p=19113 ;-)
[0:42] <DDave> NHR sucks
[0:42] <DDave> thats why this is the H version.
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[0:42] <DDave> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers
[0:42] <DDave> "Realtek RTL8187L Chipset Comments"
[0:42] <DDave> Read, then talk
[0:42] <Reventlov> ?
[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if that works in Master Mode >.>
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[0:43] <piless> DDave: ?
[0:43] <DDave> piless: ?
[0:43] <Xark_> piless: There are a few nice open (or open-enough) game games. Some of these are very suitable for porting to RP.
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[0:44] <piless> Xark_: I'm excluding all these ID titles that were later made open source like doom 3
[0:44] <strigel> DDave: she's gone now, so i can reveal, she's not as hot as I would like to be honest
[0:44] <DDave> strigel: LOL
[0:44] * Xark_ thinks it would be fun to setup a nice SDK (probably SDL based) and make sure all the tools and libs are there for running and creating games on the RP.
[0:44] <DDave> Face it, you're not as hot as she wishes you would be strigel
[0:45] <DDave> Work out! get in shape
[0:45] <DDave> surprise her
[0:45] <DDave> :D
[0:45] <DDave> #RandomTipsFromAStranger
[0:45] <strigel> DDave: you have no idea how right you are brother
[0:45] <DDave> strigel: amen!
[0:45] <DDave> but seriously, work out!
[0:45] <strigel> ok I will
[0:46] <Reventlov> DDave: it was for me ?
[0:46] <DDave> Reventlov: which part? :)
[0:46] <DDave> Reventlov: the one I linked is fully compatible with the -ng suite, as stated on their wiki page
[0:46] <Reventlov> yup, I know
[0:46] <DDave> Oh ok, my bad then :)
[0:46] <DDave> Here, a big <3 for you
[0:46] <Reventlov> :')
[0:46] * DDave hopes Reventlov is a woman
[0:46] <DDave> xD
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> My question is, could it work as an AP too
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[0:47] <DDave> GabrialDestruir: hmmmm googled it?
[0:47] <Xark_> piless: The hard part about open games is getting the content, but if the tools and tech are ready perhaps some content will "grow" from the artists and designers of the community. At least no worse than another option than a "free" android or iPad game (and better for GPL things).
[0:47] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Depends on the OS
[0:47] <DDave> I think that if the aircrack suite is "perfectly" implemented..it MUST do AP..for sure
[0:47] <Reventlov> AP???
[0:47] <DDave> Acces Point
[0:48] <DDave> GabrialDestruir: looks like it works, found some articles about it..
[0:48] <Reventlov> any wireless card which support virtual interface can do tha
[0:48] <piless> Xark_: I've heard that the amount of testing for the huge amount of different binaries for different variations of linux is a pain in the ass
[0:48] <strigel> Xark_: agreed, people don't comprehend the budget for games these days. There are teams of hundreds producing everything from textures to characters and storyboards
[0:48] <DDave> well gn8 everyone
[0:48] <Ben64> teams of hundreds... :|
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> o.O From what I'm seeing it's not possible =\
[0:49] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Get rid of the aerial though, you'll want a directional one
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> For an AP?
[0:49] <piless> Well
[0:49] <Reventlov> GabrialDestruir: you can do an AP with a lot of cards
[0:49] <Reventlov> atheros??? etc
[0:49] <piless> Depends if it's an AP for one person who stays in one spot or not :P
[0:50] <Reventlov> It has nothing to do with aircrak I think
[0:50] <GabrialDestruir> For an AP I'd want Aerial, for WEP cracking directional.
[0:50] <Reventlov> Ap, multidirectional, anything else, directional
[0:51] <piofcube> Yeah... shame there wasn't some form of organised way to bring together content in some way which makes it easy for software and media developers to grab content for their projects... *peers are openindieproject.org* ;-)
[0:51] <Xark_> piless: It is an issue. I know that when I try to get a game running on Linux, it is often a fair bit of work (and typically Nvidia card or disappointment etc.). Dependency hell etc.
[0:51] <piless> Xark_: That's where it becomes a lot simplier for a direct-x game
[0:51] <Reventlov> humpf
[0:51] <Reventlov> aur ftw for games.
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[0:52] <strigel> Anyone interested in war driving: backtrack linux
[0:52] <Xark_> piless: PC is still a nightmare. Only on consoles, is it somewhat reasonable the number of SKUs to test on (and phones are the worst).
[0:52] <Hopsy> how do I buy a raspberrypi?!?!
[0:52] <Reventlov> facepalm.
[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> YOU DON'T IT'S VAPORWARE!
[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[0:52] <strigel> Hopsy: I have one for you!!!!! Paypal me ??400!!!!
[0:53] <Reventlov> you wait til he is available.
[0:53] <piless> Xark_: No, I mean the api system they have is a lot better than the opengl or whatever alternative on linux
[0:53] <Hopsy> strigel: Reventlov GabrialDestruir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNpqy6I1ne4&feature=related
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[0:53] <piless> Hopsy: It turns out the raspberry pi foundation were a scan operation run out of russia
[0:54] <piless> *scam
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[0:54] <Xark_> piless: Much more more chance of it being accelerated is the important thing (OpenGL vs Dircect X doesn't matter that much). OpenGL ES 2.0 (like on RP) is much more lean and console like than either (other than Xbox).
[0:54] <Reventlov> nope.
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[0:54] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: hii
[0:54] <strigel> Hopsy: I watched the first 30 seconds. Now I am angry at the person who made that video, and a little bit with you for posting the link
[0:55] <piless> that video needs lift music
[0:55] <Hopsy> strigel: why?
[0:55] <strigel> Hopsy: which part?
[0:55] <Hopsy> I also did wake up wednesday for nothing
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed, you can't sell vaporware what?
[0:56] <piless> Hopsy: Add this music to it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8FCLT8S6A
[0:56] <strigel> piless: LOL!
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[0:57] <strigel> it's all one big Nigerian scam
[0:57] <piless> strigel: NO! It's a russian scam
[0:57] <strigel> Every dissapointed geek has been wronged to the core
[0:57] <Ben64> british
[0:57] <Ollzer> Have RPi developers told any new info about next batches?
[0:57] <Hopsy> strigel: farnell.com alows only business customers Whyyy?
[0:57] <strigel> Eben and David are pure evil
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> Guys.... it was clearly an Iranian scam working with both Nigera and Russia
[0:58] <piless> Ollzer: They've abandoned the batch model
[0:58] <Ben64> rpi people are MIA
[0:58] <strigel> Hopsy: Because they are in league with Satan!!!!!!!
[0:58] <Ben64> went to buy an island with all the money
[0:58] <piless> Maybe they killed themselves with embarrassment
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[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> You realize... we're all seriously asking for a boot, right? xD
[0:59] <piofcube> Ah.. that explains all my bad speelings on the internet providings... I'm the former cousin of the nigerian prince who has 10K raspberry-pis and needs to post them via some volunterrs who will takes them off my hands before the guorillas come and steal them.
[0:59] <piless> GabrialDestruir: It's an "unofficial" channel.
[0:59] <strigel> piofcube: lol
[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> So? There's still a posibility of a boot "[
[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> :p*
[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> BOOT TO THE HEAD!
[1:00] * piless boots GabrialDestruir in the head
[1:00] <Hopsy> strigel: farnell.com alows only business customers Whyyy?
[1:00] <piless> Hopsy: That's a lie.
[1:00] <Ben64> i think it depends on the country
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[1:00] <[deXter]> I'm a business customer.
[1:00] <Ben64> was a really terrible global launch
[1:01] <[deXter]> I do business every day.
[1:01] <piless> [deXter]: Prove it
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> I just realized.... the only keyboard I have use is wireless, will the pi support it?!?!?
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
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[1:01] <Ben64> some countries worked fine, others had $70 shipping
[1:01] <strigel> Hopsy: as it happens, I am the MD of Farnell. We know your IP address, and be assured, we are conducting a vendatta towards you personally
[1:01] <piless> GabrialDestruir: No, go buy a wired keyboard for a couple of quid from tesco
[1:01] <[deXter]> piless, You are welcome to my toilet any day. :P
[1:01] <Hopsy> ohh thats sweet strigel
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> Bah, seriously?
[1:01] <Henchman21> it should work
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> That's such a waste .-.
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:02] <Henchman21> ifnot make a rootfs with ssh enabled
[1:02] <Hopsy> and I am a 12 years old girl
[1:02] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Well it's either that or fill up a usb port with a bluetooth adaptor
[1:02] <Xark_> Hopsy: Newark (US) made me enter a company name, but I just put N/A (and I received my confirmation, albiet for May 12th...)
[1:02] <xeba`away> :p
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[1:02] <Ben64> I used Ben64 Logistics
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I could get synergy running on it
[1:03] <Henchman21> shouldnt be a problem
[1:03] <Ben64> logistics is a great word
[1:03] <strigel> Hopsy: yes, I can believe that
[1:03] <strigel> 12 years old: check
[1:03] <Henchman21> so stop freaking out
[1:03] <strigel> girl: check
[1:03] <piless> Ben64: If they were really business only, you would have been required to fill in a valid VAT number and all sorts of other businessy shit
[1:03] <Hopsy> strigel: which color hair?
[1:03] <Ben64> we don't have VAT numbers in america
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> A girl?
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> On the internet?
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> What a hoax.
[1:04] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir, that joke is both old, and not appricated.
[1:04] <IT_Sean> Don't be an arse.
[1:04] <piless> Don't forget, girls don't poop aswell
[1:04] <strigel> Hopsy: your hair colour is: learn to wait
[1:04] <IT_Sean> Jokes like that are reasons why most girls on the internet don't admit to being girls on the internet, GabrialDestruir
[1:05] <piofcube> The T&C of both RS and Farnell state they sell to businesses...
[1:05] <Hopsy> strigel: that joke is both old, and not appricated.
[1:05] * Xark_ notes one of the better videos if anybody wants to see Rasp Pi boot up and do some stuff (w/Robert Mullins): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BbufUp_HNs
[1:05] <strigel> Hopsy: I am deeply sorry that I caused offence with my deficient sense of humour
[1:05] <piless> strawberry blonde
[1:06] <piless> Xark_: I swear that guy is cgi
[1:06] <strigel> Hopsy: and you're right answering the hair colour question with 'learn to wait' is indeed the oldest joke in the book.
[1:06] <Xark_> piless: Wow...they really are getting quite good. :)
[1:07] <piless> Xark_: You can tell by the shape of the head
[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> They're promotional videos, of course they're good:p
[1:07] <[deXter]> Xark_, is it just me or is the volume on that video very low?
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[1:07] <piless> [deXter]: We british always speak quietly
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[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOz9pQvgwVU
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:08] <piless> GabrialDestruir: awkward much
[1:08] <Xark_> [deXter]: It does seem a bit low. I think there is a non-element14 version that may be better quality (not positive).
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[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:09] <[deXter]> I wish they would focus more on the Pi / screen instead of his face.
[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> He's reading off a teleprompter I think
[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:09] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Is holding the actual board or is it a beta board?
[1:09] <[deXter]> I actually wanted to watch it boot, 15 seconds or not, rather than watch his face..
[1:09] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: nice, but why isn't he looking at the camera?
[1:09] <Xark_> [deXter]: I agree. I would prefer a screen capture. :)
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[1:10] <strigel> he's struggling, bless him
[1:10] <piless> [deXter]: Just skip to 1:37
[1:10] <GabrialDestruir> Probably using a monitor as a teleprompter or something that isn't connected to the camera
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[1:10] <piless> that video is a lie! He's holding the beta board!
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> That's a beta board, it has pins
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[1:11] <Xark_> Did anybody see that pretty neat real-time OpenGL shader programming video that the foundation tweeted about a few weeks ago (I think it was Qt-live or something like that). That was impressive (but I can't find the video anymore - they probably got hammered on bandwidth).
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[1:11] <des2> That;s a bata board - you can tell because it had the headers soldered on.
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[1:11] <[deXter]> Lol @ this other video:" $25 Raspberry Pi Kills Apple iPhone 4S GPU! "
[1:11] <piless> Xark_: It was probably on their blog.. Speaking of which.. why the hell is it still down?!
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mY5P8EwYUw
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> Good humor.
[1:12] <Xark_> [deXter]: Eben got a lot of milage from that off the cuff remark (I sure hope it is mostly true). :)
[1:12] <[deXter]> Ah
[1:13] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: lol, excellent meme
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[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> I find it interesting how they keep calling it the "credit card pc"
[1:13] <[deXter]> GabrialDestruir, Nice, I was wondering why they would come out with a Hitler video about the RPi.
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> I call false advertising!
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> It's way to thick to be a creditcard >.>
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> too thick*
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[1:13] <strigel> I feel Hitler would have endorsed it, so I have no problem
[1:14] <Xark_> piless: Now, it was from the Qt people (who have beta RPs). It had lots of psychedelic scrolling raspberrys and such overlayed in real time as you watch the programmer change the shader and it recompiles and runs real-time below the text editor.
[1:14] <piless> GabrialDestruir: iirc liz compared the barebones board size to a credit card
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[1:14] <[deXter]> Mmmm... psychedelic raspberries...
[1:15] <strigel> will the A model be slimmer?
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> Yes, but the issue is.... it's too thick with all the stuff on there.
[1:15] <Xark_> [deXter]: It was really cool and darn impressive, I wish I could find the link...
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[1:15] <strigel> I want to make a linux tablet
[1:15] <IT_Sean> strigel, the Model A is exactly like the model B, but with less ram, and no ethernet.
[1:15] <IT_Sean> Oh, and one USB port, instead of two
[1:15] <Xark_> IT_Sean: No, same RAM now.
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> Which means height wise, it's exactly the same.
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> er
[1:16] <IT_Sean> Xark_. ?!! I must have missed that.
[1:16] <Xark_> 256MB is enough for EVERYBODY! :-D
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> not exactly the same
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[1:16] <piless> Will they bother to design two different cases for model a and b?
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> Model A will be shorter
[1:16] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir. No... It means it will be a little shorter.
[1:16] <strigel> IT_Sean: yes but the lack of Ethernet and the fact that there is only 1 USB removes two tall elements..so will it be slimmer?
[1:16] <Xark_> IT_Sean: Yes, fine print in the announcement. The realized 96 MB will not make a useful Linux desktop (after GPU takes 32MB).
[1:16] <des2> Yes in the fiasco lots of people missed that model A now has same ram as model B
[1:16] <piless> screw 256mb, I want 8gb
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[1:16] <IT_Sean> strigel, yes, it will be /slightly. slimmer
[1:17] <strigel> IT_Sean: ok, thanks
[1:17] <IT_Sean> aye.
[1:17] <piless> Hmm, how much bigger would they have to make it to include some sort of removable ram?
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[1:17] <GabrialDestruir> People have "affection" for computers?
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[1:18] <piless> twice as big?
[1:18] <IT_Sean> piless, a LOT bigger, and a LOT more expensive
[1:18] <mkopack> piles: Then you'd have kids stealing the RAM off it
[1:18] <Xark_> piless: It would be a big expensive problem. SoC is not designed for external RAM controller AFAIK.
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[1:18] <[deXter]> GabrialDestruir, Why not/
[1:18] <des2> Have you hugged your computer today Gabrial ?
[1:18] <h0llywood1> hi! quick question: in a debian armel installation, i have to recompile all programs, right?
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[1:19] <piless> h0llywood1: Do it anyway
[1:19] <Byan> Xark_: it can use external ram though.
[1:19] <mkopack> hollywood: vs X86? yes.
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir> Because computers are tools?
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[1:19] <Xark_> Byan: I am sure it is possible, from the discussion in the forums there are issues with signal latencies etc. that would be a problem for this CPU.
[1:20] <Xark_> (or SoC).
[1:20] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe if computers had AI it'd be different .-.
[1:20] <IT_Sean> The current SoC is not designed for external RAM.
[1:20] <h0llywood1> ok thanks ;)
[1:20] <piless> Xark_: What about external swap?
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[1:20] <Byan> IT_Sean: I am pretty sure I read it was..
[1:20] <Byan> that it could use the pop and external
[1:20] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably do swap....
[1:20] <IT_Sean> you can set up a swap file on something other than the SD card if you like, piless
[1:20] <Henchman21> nfs swap
[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> but how fast is swap going to be? >.>
[1:21] <piless> swap on flash memory makes me feel slightly sick
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[1:21] <Henchman21> usb drive swap
[1:21] <Xark_> piless: What do you mean? Feel free to swap onto USB HDD or SD. Not ideal, but better than running out of memory. :)
[1:21] <h0llywood1> and is it useful to make a swap partition on the sd card?
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[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> Could probably just dedicate a USB Thumb Drive to swap
[1:21] <des2> Internet swap to Amazon cloud.
[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> They're cheap enough
[1:21] <piless> Xark_: swap on the sd would dramatically cut down it's usable lifespan
[1:21] <IT_Sean> you will need a swap partition / file. Where you put it is up to you
[1:21] <Xark_> h0llywood1: There is some debate, but I can tell you from running on N800 with 128MB it "worked" and allowed me to do things like GCC compiles that would fail without it.
[1:22] <GabrialDestruir> 10 bucks for a 4GB thumb drive if that...
[1:22] <GabrialDestruir> just use one of those on a hub
[1:22] <Ben64> thumb drives aren't better
[1:22] <Xark_> piless: SD cards are disposable as far as I am concerned. :)
[1:22] <n17ikh> I've used a 256mb swap file on the USB thumb drive running my NSLU2 for like 4 years
[1:22] <piless> Xark_: But what if you're too lazy to backup
[1:22] <GabrialDestruir> But it's cheaper than getting a full out HDD just for swap
[1:23] <Ben64> would be way faster to use an old xbox 360 hard drive
[1:23] <Xark_> piless: Then you deserve whatever lesson life has for you. ;)
[1:23] <Ben64> 20GB
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[1:23] <des2> A Class 10 card with its 10MB/s write speed is like an old hard drive.
[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> That's all fine and dandy for people who have an old 360 drive lying around.
[1:23] <Ben64> des2: nope
[1:23] <piless> didn't they say that class 10 wouldn't work
[1:24] <piless> they recommended class 6
[1:24] <des2> Ben64 perhaps you aren't old enough.
[1:24] <GabrialDestruir> Class 10 has issues with random writing
[1:24] <Ben64> sd cards don't come close to the random write speed of a hard drive
[1:24] <strigel> piless: no
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[1:24] <strigel> apparently some class 10s don't work not all
[1:24] <Ben64> des2: i wasn't suggesting hooking up a dining table sized hard drive
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sTKb9Vjkek&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[1:25] <piless> strigel: I'm sure I heard something about class 10 sd using a slightly different system to previous sds which the raspberry pi didn't support
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> Could you imagine someone making an AI on the Pi?
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:25] <Xark_> strigel: Some conflicting info, but from what I gather the issue is in the GPU SD bootloader. Once Linux boots, then I believe it will be up to the Linux driver (and I think SoC is documented for SD).
[1:26] <h0llywood1> anyone with the raspberry pi can tell me something on the hd video performances? maybe with 128mb dram on gpu
[1:26] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Tuxi personal assistant app (coming soon no doubt). :)
[1:26] <strigel> piless, Xark_; then maybe I have wrong information
[1:26] <Byan> h0llywood1: can decode anything with proper codec.
[1:26] <Byan> well 'anything' within reason.
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Actually....
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[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> I bet it could work....
[1:27] <strigel> I thought it was only *some* class 10s but I may be wrong
[1:27] <des2> The codec issues are hardware vs software and licensing
[1:27] <piless> that's so misleading, he doesn't even mention the price of the model being sold at the moment
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Setup all Pi to communicate with each other....
[1:27] <h0llywood1> ok, but what about the performances? it really stream 1080p videos at 30fps?
[1:27] <Byan> yes
[1:27] <Xark_> strigel: Also the hardware only uses "serial" (not fastest) transfer method (so mostly a waste to get expensive cards).
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[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> You could create a system like Boinc.... which you'd slowly program and feed information to
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> until it became self aware >.>
[1:28] <Xark_> strigel: The benchmarks someone posted (from a RP showing synthetic and boot speeds) showed that a Sandisk 4GB/16GB class 4 was the best overal (IMO).
[1:28] <h0llywood1> Byan: do you use 64 or 128 mb for the gpu?
[1:28] <jojo> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/6-x-raspberry-pies-with-added-apple-for-a-quid-asda-1155834
[1:28] <Byan> I don't have one. but we've seen demos
[1:28] <strigel> Xark_: yes that is true, but for me, I have a bunch of 32Gb cards which happen to be class 10, and I am more interested in storage size than speed
[1:29] <piless> GabrialDestruir: You'd have to give it a gert board for it to interact with its environment otherwise it would be too cruel
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[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> Plenty of people would purchase gert boards...
[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> and eventually it'd be designing it's own body
[1:30] <strigel> anyway, thanks for the info on SD cards
[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> and take over the world >.>
[1:30] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Surround the lab with a moat. It shall never escape
[1:30] <des2> What's the pricing on the Gertboard ?
[1:30] <piless> des2: 50p
[1:31] <GabrialDestruir> Except my idea, piless, it would have already escaped....
[1:31] <GabrialDestruir> I'm talking network sharing Raspberry Pi resources to create a cloud based AI >.>
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[1:31] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Ahh, Sky-bramble-net. :)
[1:31] <piless> GabrialDestruir: I think a reverse portal would be a idea, make it complete test chambers
[1:32] <piless> GabrialDestruir: while we mock it over an intercom
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> lmao xD
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[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> You realize, that'd just drive it to convince some poor unexpecting fool
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> to build it a body
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> which it would download itself into
[1:32] <Byan> IDK why anyone want to do anything to cluster RPI CPUs
[1:33] <Byan> one modern CPU is like..
[1:33] <Byan> 50 RPIs
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> Byan: Memory latency may be better
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[1:33] <piless> Byan: Yeah it was already discussed on the forum to be economically infeasible
[1:33] <Xark_> Byan: It is not something for people who ask "why", that is for sure. :)
[1:33] <jojo> site is up, did i miss that in chan, else now ddos
[1:34] <Byan> Xark_: heh, perhaps
[1:34] <piless> THE SITE IS UP?!
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> Well if the site is up...
[1:34] <piless> woooooo freedom
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sure you just DDoS'd it
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[1:34] <strigel> jojo: you didn't miss it
[1:34] <traeak> probably more educational to cluster a bunch of single core VMs
[1:34] <Xark_> Yes! I was totally having "database error" withdrawl... :)
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[1:34] <strigel> you were the herald of glad tidings, congrats
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[1:35] <traeak> pool on whining
[1:35] <traeak> hmm
[1:35] <piless> Bah, I was hoping they were using the downtime to upgrade the forum software
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[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> They were using their downtime to play skyrim
[1:40] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Impossible, you never stop playing skyrim
[1:40] * Xark_ found the "psychedelic raspberry" video. If you want to see an impressive RP GPU demo (and amazing interactive "live" shader editing), check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-vBbqamNBU
[1:41] <strigel> can I play Skyrim on a 486?
[1:41] <strigel> I haves voodoo
[1:41] <Ben64> you need the voodoo 5 5500 for it
[1:41] <Xark_> strigel: Only if you run qemu with a RP system (and then you have to wait for the RP Skyrim port). ;)
[1:41] <piless> Xark_: I think I would prefer to do it side by side rather than an overlay
[1:42] <h0llywood1> everyone knows where i can download PiCard?
[1:42] <h0llywood1> anyone*
[1:42] <Xark_> piless: The video comments mention you an enable and disable it etc. I suspect this is just for video effect (I would want two monitors...)
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[1:42] <piless> Xark_: But there's only 1 hdmi port!
[1:43] <Meow_01> hello guys !!
[1:43] <h0llywood1> hi Meow_01
[1:43] <piless> h0llywood1: When it appears, I would expect a link to appear here, http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[1:43] <Xark_> piless: I didn't saw I would "get" two monitors on just a Pi. :) I am thinking remote X for edit window. I am spoiled and want a dev screen and target screen. :)
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[1:43] <GabrialDestruir> You can't do composite and HDMI at the same time
[1:43] <Xark_> say*
[1:43] <strigel> h0llywood1: you were right first time, but remember, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> It's a shame.
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder why you can't do both at the same time.
[1:44] <piless> Xark_: Make sure to use a monitor that has the right pixel layout so you can turn it landscape
[1:44] <piless> landscape monitor layout is amazing for coding
[1:44] <piless> I mean portrait
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[1:45] <piless> portrait portrait portrait
[1:45] <traeak> huh?
[1:45] <Xark_> piless: OK, I was wondering. Yeah, I like it (especially for PDF reading - documentation), but with 16:9 screens it is "too tall". ;)
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> I like dual screens for coding myself
[1:45] <strigel> piless: I have a monitor that will do portrait, but I would feel like a cock using that configuration
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[1:45] <traeak> side by side xterms running vim sessions and compile windows :-p
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> Having a big screen with epic resolution is great coding........
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> none of this 16:9 vs 4:3 stuff
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> it all fits
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[1:46] <lvanguard> tmux splits for me :)
[1:46] <piless> It would still be 9:16 ;P
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[1:46] <Xark_> piless: Also an issue is at the moment, I think OpenGL ES on RP is limited to fullscreen (no window manager).
[1:46] <traeak> and you should never be writing functions that are sooo long
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[1:46] <Xark_> [aka GLX]
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[1:47] <Xark_> I guess they have those "USB" monitors now, but I suspect they suck (and may be a problem under Linux, I don't know).
[1:47] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: I worked on a 24" 1080p native panel at home for a few weeks, and going back to my dual 1024x1284 monitors at work is such a relief for coding
[1:48] <piless> what ever happened to these wireless monitors that were supposed to be right around the corner?
[1:48] <h0llywood1> are there tweaks or something i have to do on debian to use flash memory without problem?
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> They proved to be a wireless distater?
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> disaster*
[1:49] <strigel> i like distater better
[1:49] <ukscone> forum is back
[1:49] <piless> wires are so 2003
[1:49] <Xark_> piless: I think you (almost) buy wireless HDMI. Sounds crazy to me. Please, I'll buy a video cable and you make my Internet and phone go faster. :)
[1:49] <Xark_> ^can
[1:49] <Henchman21> got to have a fast bus
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> That was so 20 minutes ago, ukscone :p
[1:50] <piless> Xark_: I'm sure people said that about wifi :P
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> I honestly think wireless monitors would be a hassle
[1:50] <ceng> !ticker
[1:50] <PiBot> ceng: Maybe you should check to see what www.raspberrypi.org has to say?
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> especially if they were wifi monitors
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[1:50] <strigel> ok, bye, bed
[1:51] <Xark_> piless: Well, all I am saying is solve the "needed" problems first. IMO wireless TVs are not a big problem (especially with the devices they hook to getting smaller and built in).
[1:51] <strigel> sweet dreams all
[1:51] <Henchman21> with a monitor it has to be real time-ish or you're stuck with buffering/lagged/cached 5sec behind say mouse movements
[1:51] <h0llywood1> good night
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[1:51] <Henchman21> like vnc sucks
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[1:51] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Not if they were on an independent frequency. These 2.1ghz wifi routers would always make my tv signal go to shit.
[1:51] <h0llywood1> little bump :) any modification for using linux on SD?
[1:52] <piless> or was it 2.4bhz
[1:52] <Henchman21> ever try playing a video through vnc?
[1:52] <piless> *ghz
[1:52] <Henchman21> or a game?
[1:52] <Henchman21> aint going to happen
[1:52] * Xark_ notes the average living room Xbox or PS3 setup already suffers from several "frame delay" hazards (and they all build up). Eventually the latency from controller to eye starts to be annoying (even if people can't pinpoint the "laggy" control problem).
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose if you're talking like a Wireless 2.4Ghz Monitor, which they already have, it'd be different....
[1:53] <piless> Henchman21: Ever heard of onlive?
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[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> Onlive only works for those people with sufficient enough internet
[1:53] <Henchman21> i think the problem is theres a bunch of dipsmacks in here asking assdumb questions
[1:53] <Xark_> piless: I am still somewhat skeptical for games, but I think that "windows cloud" desktop idea may make sense for them. :)
[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> You sure as heck aren't playing on live on a 1Mb/s internet, idc what they say
[1:53] <victhor> I actually played a game through a ssh session on LAN.
[1:53] <Henchman21> that should be on myspace/bookface wasting their time
[1:54] <victhor> 5 fps, barely playable.
[1:54] <piless> victhor: 5 fps would be okay for some games
[1:54] <piless> Like board games
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[1:54] <GabrialDestruir> I honestly can't see something like a "Wifi Monitor" or a "Network Monitor" working out
[1:54] <Xark_> piless: "chess with friends". :)
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[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe with a Gigabit connection and wired... but definitely not through wifi
[1:55] <piless> GabrialDestruir: It wouldn't be wifi. It would be wireless hdmi
[1:55] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: I think they use some custom protocol.
[1:56] <GabrialDestruir> They probably will, but I still don't think it'd work out all that great.
[1:56] <Henchman21> hdmi? its encrypted
[1:57] <Xark_> h0llywood1: SD is just like a quiet hard drive for Linux. No need to use special file systems or whatnot (since it is not "naked" flash).
[1:57] <Henchman21> stallman does not approve of hdmi
[1:57] <piless> fuck stallman
[1:57] <victhor> IDC what stallman thinks.
[1:57] <victhor> VGA sucks ass.
[1:58] <victhor> HDMI/DVI is much better, and I suppose DisplayPort is about as good.
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[1:58] <traeak> pg13 guys
[1:58] <Aethaeryn> rms does not approve of a lot of things, including Debian/Fedora/etc
[1:58] <Xark_> Henchman21: Of course it is encrypted. However, that is HDCP (and is optional for HDMI).
[1:58] <IT_Sean> victhor, language, please.
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> Does anyone really care what stallman thinks? o.O
[1:58] <Aethaeryn> rms is... not mainstream anymore
[1:59] <piless> IT_Sean: What about me?
[1:59] <h0llywood1> Xark_: so it doesn't get ruined like ssd hdd?
[1:59] <IT_Sean> piless, what about you? Watch your language, please.
[1:59] <piless> IT_Sean: Thanks, I didn't want to be left out.
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> I'm pretty sure rms went out of style around the same time Linux became mainstream over GNU/Linux
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:00] <Xark_> h0llywood1: Not really. Or if it does, it is up to the onboard controller to deal with. Some cards are better than others. In a nutshell, I would suggest "get Sandisk, class 4" (cheap and seem to work best from initial benchmarks). :)
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[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> I thought you needed at least Class 6 for HD?
[2:00] <Aethaeryn> rms has had many visionary ideas, overshadowed by an absolute refusal to compromise.
[2:00] <Xark_> h0llywood1: Luckily a SD card is not quite the investment as SSD. :)
[2:01] <Ben64> class ratings on sd cards is just the minimum
[2:01] <piless> Xark_: Depends
[2:01] <Ben64> you could have a class 4 that does 20MB/s
[2:01] <Xark_> h0llywood1: That said, if you were using the system heavily (lots of writes), I would consider a USB HDD. I personally don't find SD storage to be among the most reliable (YMMV).
[2:01] <mute> though unlikely
[2:01] <piless> Xark_: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Professional-133X-128GB-SDXC/dp/B004OJNE4C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330736456&sr=8-1
[2:01] <victhor> class ratings are valid for sequential writes
[2:02] <hotwings> [16:56:26] <Xark_> h0llywood1: SD is just like a quiet hard drive for Linux. No need to use special file systems or whatnot (since it is not "naked" flash). <-- you do not want to use a journaling file system on an sd card.. or any flash-based device
[2:02] <h0llywood1> Xark_: yes you're right ;)
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> If you're using an actual Sandisk there's a chance you could get a 20MB/s
[2:02] <victhor> it's the sort of thing you would see on a camera. Computer requires random read/write performance, and SD is not optimized for that
[2:02] <piless> GabrialDestruir: bullshit
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> but most companies actually over rate their cards
[2:02] <Ben64> i just got a class 10 16GB, because it was a good price and good performance
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> Like Kingston Class 10 is closer to Class 5
[2:02] <traeak> piless:
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[2:03] <mute> class 5? :o
[2:03] <IT_Sean> piless, please... language...
[2:03] <Aethaeryn> Obviously a #raspberrypi is the bare minimum, use a HDD if you need it
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[2:03] <piless> okay
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> I got a transcend 16GB Class 10, and it was closer to a class 8
[2:03] <traeak> IT_Sean: when the rpi is actually out this channel won't be so interesting anymore
[2:03] <h0llywood1> so what filesystem for the OS on the SD? fat32?
[2:04] <IT_Sean> traeak, quite possibly
[2:04] <mute> ext2.
[2:04] <traeak> h0llywood1: download the debian image and check it out
[2:04] <Ben64> this channel might have a bunch of people working on it
[2:04] <piless> I will never leave you!
[2:04] <Ben64> the r-pi forums aren't exactly great
[2:04] <hotwings> theres no such thing as class 8
[2:04] <Henchman21> IT_Sean: http://scripts.irssi.org/html/badword.pl.html
[2:04] <Guest90371> unless you plan on trying to run windows, no need for fat32 ;)
[2:04] <hotwings> h0llywood1 - ext2 is a good filesystem to use on an sd card
[2:04] <GabrialDestruir> It's actually easier to work in an IRC room to figure out an issue than it is any forum
[2:04] <Xark_> piless: Obviously, it is subject to what you find most important.
[2:04] <Ben64> need fat32 on it
[2:04] <Ben64> thats where the blobs come from
[2:04] * Xark_ points to http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60111136/SD%20card%20benchmarks.pdf for a nice SD speed summary
[2:05] <traeak> h0llywood1: fat32 for the bootstrap partition, then proably suggested ext2 for normal, althogh ext2 isn't journaled and proably not great if working on a crashing system (driver work, etc)
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> With forums you post and you have to wait for someone to possibly answer you.
[2:05] <Guest90371> the other downside to fat32, MS tends to sue people who use it without paying
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> In IRC you're more likely to get an answer immediately if it's active.
[2:05] <traeak> there's more rpi channels than this one
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[2:05] <mute> what boots it
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[2:05] <h0llywood1> ok so the DD tool write also the partition table?
[2:06] <piless> scumbag google docs, font size on max zoom is still too small
[2:06] <Henchman21> it writes verbatim copies of *anything*
[2:06] <Aethaeryn> It is sad that something as ancient as FAT32 could be still patented.
[2:06] <h0llywood1> it's because of windows of course
[2:06] <mrdragons> Is it? I honestly don't think MS care about it any more
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> Microsoft has a patent on Fat32 don't they?
[2:06] <Ben64> software patents are dumb
[2:06] <traeak> h0llywood1: seems like it. if/when i get mine i may play with using fdisk,formatting and copies to see if it can work properly that way
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[2:07] <traeak> h0llywood1: wouldn't work well on windows though
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[2:07] <piless> Aethaeryn: Didn't the americans recently change their patent system to disregard prior art or something?
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[2:07] <Henchman21> if you think software patents are crazy dont ask monsanto about DNA patents
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> They also charge companies like Motorola a feww to use Fat and Fat32 and stuff on their devices
[2:07] <des2> Kinda piless
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> fee*
[2:07] <des2> Moved to a 'first to file' system
[2:07] <Xark_> piless: Yeah, I have to zoom it to the entire monitor to read the small print (1920x1200).
[2:07] <traeak> it's even better when you work with a partner on something and they go and patent the IP you created without them asking
[2:07] <mute> i've never heard of a FAT32 fee. isn't FreeDOS using fat32
[2:07] <des2> Not a 'first ot invent' system
[2:07] <piless> des2: Yeah
[2:08] <traeak> and even better when they threaten you with it later
[2:08] <h0llywood1> traeak: i also want to partition with fdisk, put the files manually and use the official debian armel
[2:08] <piless> des2: Wouldn't that just encourage patent trolls?
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[2:08] <Ben64> h0llywood1: why don't you just write the image
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[2:08] <des2> I think software patents are bad.
[2:08] <traeak> h0llywood1: i've used that technique to transfer OS's between drives in the past, should work here as well
[2:08] <Aethaeryn> piless: Like anyone can keep up with patent law.
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20045551-75.html
[2:08] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Consult your lawyer, but believe Linux dodged that patent by not bothering to update the "short name" (as the patent was on some obscure long vs short name hack).
[2:09] <traeak> h0llywood1: hopefully doesn't require writing to mbr's or whatever all the time
[2:09] <Guest90371> mute: theres no large money backer behind freedos, but you can ask tomtom what fat32 costs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._TomTom)
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[2:09] <h0llywood1> it's funny how the system is booted by the gpu
[2:09] <Aethaeryn> Patents are &%@$%@$ $%@@%%# #$&%@&
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[2:10] <Henchman21> i think its once you start selling something using it
[2:10] <traeak> i think the gpu is probably way better than the cpu core
[2:10] <piless> Sometimes it's cheaper to just pay the fee than to fight the law suit
[2:10] <hotwings> i gotta say, it sure has been a lot better in here since lienus was banned. :)
[2:10] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It is not advisable to even try. If you *know* the patents you violate, then you open yourself up for treble damages. :)
[2:10] <traeak> hehe, lots less white noise
[2:10] <oldtopman> hotwings: He was banned?
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[2:11] <hotwings> oldtopman - yup
[2:11] <traeak> oldtopman: yesterday morning
[2:11] <GabrialDestruir> It's done a lot of good for the room.
[2:11] <mrdragons> lol.
[2:11] <GabrialDestruir> A lot less misinformation being spread.
[2:11] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: You look familiar
[2:11] <h0llywood1> what about the system clock?
[2:11] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: authoritative misinformation
[2:11] <IT_Sean> h0llywood1, the raspi has no RTC
[2:11] <Xark_> h0llywood1: You mean lack of a system clock?
[2:11] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: Good evening to you, fellow espernettian?
[2:12] <IT_Sean> So, it syncs with a NTP server at boot
[2:12] <oldtopman> And (minecraftian)
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> Well, yea.
[2:12] <h0llywood1> yes, it syncs with ntp i hope
[2:12] <IT_Sean> yes, It uses NTP
[2:12] <traeak> without internet that will be interesting
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how well Minecraft would run with a 2GB swap >.>
[2:12] <mute> RTC is like $1
[2:12] <Guest90371> A battery backed rtc is nice to have but, that increases cost
[2:12] <IT_Sean> You could add your own RTC via GPIO
[2:12] <h0llywood1> oook good, anyway i don't think to reboot it often
[2:12] <mute> add one then
[2:12] <hotwings> yeah traeak, was just about to say that
[2:12] <IT_Sean> It comes down to space on the board
[2:12] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: #wesnoth* actually
[2:12] <traeak> no "animal crossing" type games
[2:12] <hotwings> seems crazy theres no rtc
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> The Gertboard is suppose to have RTC isn't it?
[2:13] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: I havent done Minecraft/Espernet for a while
[2:13] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Well, if you get an elephant to fly, you probably shouldn't expect to break any airspeed records. :)
[2:13] <des2> There are tiny 3-wire RTCs
[2:13] <mrdragons> traeak: At least not synced up to some kind of main server
[2:13] <Guest90371> I baught an rtc for my arduino, it should be easy to add one if you wanted it but, you'll pay a premium
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> If I get an elephant to fly, I'm putting him in the circus....
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:14] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: Then how do I know you?
[2:14] <hotwings> ??_??
[2:15] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: /whois Aethaeryn
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[2:15] <Guest90371> GabrialDestruir: I can't even get minecraft to run in openjdk, I wonder what it would take for oracle to release a jvm for arm
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... no clue.
[2:16] <traeak> Guest90371: search the forums for minecraft :-p
[2:16] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: I almost never talk in #wesnoth >.>
[2:16] <des2> Good luck with Oracle releasing anything free
[2:16] <Guest90371> hmm i spoke too soon, they do have releases for the arm
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[2:16] <victhor> minecraft + 256 MB RAM = disaster
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yes I was thinking minecraft + 256MB Ram + 2GB Swap
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:17] <traeak> victhor: minecraft clone calling
[2:17] <Aethaeryn> victhor: s/minecraft/java
[2:17] <mrdragons> I'm really interested in seeing if we can get minetest running well on it
[2:17] * Xark_ wonders if it is more likely they will get the Android version working on RP...
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Probably Xark_
[2:18] <traeak> Xark_: might not be very enjoyable though
[2:19] <Xark_> traeak: I agree it is a bit of a sqeeze. However, from looking at the game, it seems like with enough optimization it should be doable (but I haven't played it much - mostly seen videos of CPUs and stuff with redstone).
[2:19] <des2> Jusr because you can get something to run doesn't mean you want to.
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[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> But if you could get Minecraft running decently.... you could have a portable Minecraft Box >.>
[2:20] <Guest90371> might as well just buy a tablet
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> Probably a better idea
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[2:20] <Xark_> Guest90371: That is a good point, if Minecraft is your goal. :)
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> But a tablet isn't going to be 35 dollars :p
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> Not one faster than a pi
[2:21] <des2> I think that's called the iPad Gabrial.
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[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Technically the pi doesn't technically have to be faster if you're to believe the "requirements" just needs more memory
[2:22] <Guest90371> if you want a cheap tablet get an aakash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aakash_%28tablet%29
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[2:22] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: A quick grep shows that I've mostly seen you talk in minecraft-related channels, and #ubuntu back when I idled there. So wow, you were right.
[2:22] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: I guess it's just an odd coincidence that we both also lurk in #wesnoth
[2:22] <oldtopman> XD
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> SD cards with a gig of RAM on would be awesome
[2:22] <oldtopman> That's hilarious.
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> gig of RAM and 24G of flash or so
[2:23] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: I would offer to buy you a beer, but I can't. Can I friend you on Steam or somesuch?
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[2:23] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: No, about $100 dollars (for a pretty reasonable one). Co worker was showing me this the other day: http://www.amazon.com/Ainol-NOVO7-Paladin-Sandwich-Capacitive/dp/B006QZ7TMU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330737777&sr=1-1
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> The specs on the Aakash don't look to be that much better than the Pi
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
[2:24] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: I haven't been on Steam in ages. I basically gave up Windows when I found Minecraft/Wesnoth since a handful of games that run on Linux can satisfy my very, very limited gaming time.
[2:24] <Guest90371> the new version with the A8 is about $60, i thought about ordering one
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[2:25] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: Desura then?
[2:25] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Check out that amazon link (512MB RAM, 1Ghz CPU and Android ICS capacitive screen etc.)
[2:25] <Ahti333> speaking of minecraft, a minecraft server on the pi would also be awesome, but would also require more ram
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir> That isn't all that bad actually, lol.
[2:26] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: I was somewhat amazed. However, prepare to mess around to get it into English etc. It does have the Android market (but I think he had to sideload it).
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> I'd probably spend the extra 100 bucks and get one of the nook tablets if I was going to go that route, well I already have one, but still.
[2:27] * xeba`away is now known as xeba
[2:27] <Xark_> Ahti333: Yeah, from the discussions on the forum it sounds like the RAM is a non-starter.
[2:27] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: I've never heard of Desura before now, but it does seem more in line with my tastes. Counterintuitively, developing games in my free time leaves me very little time to *play* games. It really is almost like an xor :-P
[2:27] <oldtopman> D:
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Though it does have HDMI and 3G apparently
[2:27] <oldtopman> Aethaeryn: Can I PM you?
[2:28] <Aethaeryn> oldtopman: Yes, let's not hijack this channel I suppose.
[2:30] <piless> desura also runs a competitor to the humble bundle, called indie bundle
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> I should go back to playing minecraft.... I want to rebuild my enire base I had from obsidian
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:30] <des2> That's a pretty nice tablet for $132
[2:31] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Got a server?
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> No, even if I hosted one it'd be too slow to have more than one person on it
[2:31] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Shame
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[2:32] <piofcube> I haven't been on my server for a couple of days
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[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> I actually, haven't even paid for it yet, mostly because 27 bucks for a game like that seems a little ridiculous but, I suppose I'll eventually go legit .-.
[2:35] <piless> From what I've seen of windows 8 so far I'd rather have a windows 8 tablet than an android one
[2:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[2:36] <des2> Why piless ?
[2:36] <ReggieUK> that tablet on amazon sounds like a suppositry
[2:36] <piless> des2: Fallen in love with metro
[2:36] <ReggieUK> Hai everyone, I've got an Ainol Tablet.......
[2:36] <Ahti333> Xark_: it seems there are some 3rd party servers which aim for better performance, none of them have feature-parity with the original server though
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[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> I think Metro could be a great thing....
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> But forcing Metro onto the desktop as well as tablets....
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> Seems like it'll be a major issue
[2:38] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Yeah I completely disagree with that
[2:38] <piless> But look
[2:38] <piless> http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/1/2835346/windows-8-vs-ipad-feature-comparison
[2:38] <piless> It's so pretty and sleek and pretty
[2:38] <piless> and sleek
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[2:39] <des2> and pretty
[2:39] <piless> exacly
[2:39] <piless> *exactly
[2:41] <Xark_> piless: Maybe...as long as there is a reliable jailbreak. :)
[2:42] <piless> Xark_: Metro apps *have* to be registered with their store.
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[2:42] <piless> But regular windows programs don't
[2:42] <Xark_> piless: F that.
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> That's going the way of the Apple
[2:43] <Xark_> piless: And from what I gather, only on x86. On ARM it is metro and app store or no-go (unless there is a jailbreak).
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[2:44] <mrdragons> Wonder how much free open-source stuff will end up on there...
[2:44] <piless> Xark_: I don't know whether the tablet they're using is x86 or ARM but he shows the normal windows desktop and oldstyle apps later on in the video
[2:44] <Xark_> piless: At least Android has that "allow apps not from store" option (I was surprised even Amazon fire allowed that).
[2:44] <Xark_> piless: There will be both, but if they showed desktop then it must be x86.
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... I need new ideas for a minecraft lair >.>
[2:45] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Lava
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[2:45] <piless> Lava everywhere
[2:45] <piless> GabrialDestruir: I built a house at the top of the sky limit
[2:46] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Then I decided it was a pain in the ass to get resources back up, so I had to mine a ton of gold to build a railway spiral to the top
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:47] <piless> the new sky limit is amazing
[2:48] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Is your "dodgy" vesion on the latest?
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure
[2:48] <piless> 1.2.3
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> let's fix that ^_^
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[2:48] <piless> The map height is 256 blocks high in 1.2
[2:48] <piless> rather than 128 before
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> http://minecraftforfree.com/play.php >.>
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> Free updates xD
[2:49] <piless> I bought it back in alpha :P
[2:49] <steve_rox> i dont need to steal it :-P
[2:49] <steve_rox> i bought it too
[2:50] <steve_rox> allough now after all these daft updates i dont like it anymore
[2:50] <piless> steve_rox: Yeah I lost a lot of interest after it was pretty obvious notch had stopped bothering.. like with the villages and stuff
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[2:51] <steve_rox> stupid health system
[2:51] <steve_rox> endermen that rip your house down
[2:51] <steve_rox> and runin the genral scenery
[2:51] <piless> steve_rox: But now notch isn't developing it anymore, a guy called jeb is, and he's releasing weekly snapshots with tons of long-requested features like upside-down stairs and slabs at the top of blocks
[2:52] <steve_rox> wtf :-P
[2:52] <piless> steve_rox: It's almost like the secret friday updates are back
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[2:52] <steve_rox> maybe i can run a older version
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[2:53] <steve_rox> funny when you copy paste ya entire home base into minecraft hell
[2:53] <steve_rox> end up fighting off piglords etc
[2:53] <piless> steve_rox: try the latest, jeb just doubled the world height
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm....
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> There's a minecraft hell? o.O
[2:54] <steve_rox> hmmm
[2:54] <steve_rox> whats the significance of rasein the skybox hight?
[2:54] <piless> GabrialDestruir: The nether, it's really boring..
[2:54] <steve_rox> unless they have like airships or something?
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
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[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Hm.... It's going to take me forever to figure out a good base design... lol
[2:55] <piless> steve_rox: Well the landscape is the same, but I supposed they could introduce proper mountains in the future
[2:55] <piless> steve_rox: But it gives you a ton more freedom when building in the sky
[2:55] <des2> "We?re building a run of Model As in the UK next week for qualification purposes, and will try to make them available for pre-order as soon as we know the design is solid."
[2:56] <piless> des2: what does qualification purposes mean?
[2:56] <steve_rox> probly errm
[2:56] <steve_rox> certification shit
[2:56] <steve_rox> you know?
[2:56] <piofcube> CE or some IEEE thing?
[2:56] <steve_rox> certifyed to operate at certain rules etc
[2:57] <steve_rox> somewhat important to get it into more mainstream stuff probly
[2:57] <piless> steve_rox: jeb also introduced a variation of glowstone that can be turned on and off by redstone
[2:57] <steve_rox> hmm
[2:57] <steve_rox> maybe thats why alll my glowstone went black
[2:57] <piless> It looks a lot better than glowstone aswell
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> Have they updated how redstone works yet?
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> Cause in my opinion it's pretty crappy most days.
[2:57] <piless> Update it how?
[2:57] <piofcube> I notice the new mc update has messed up many double doors
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Like so you don't need huge work arounds just to do vertical redstone?
[2:58] <piless> piofcube: The latest update made double doors a lot easier, just activate one, and both will open
[2:58] <steve_rox> red stone is so messy
[2:58] <piless> piofcube: But yeah, it breaks all the old doors :(
[2:58] <steve_rox> i could never make elaborate pcb style designs with it
[2:58] <piofcube> piless: not to worry I guess LOL
[2:59] <piless> didn't one guy make a cpu?
[2:59] <mrdragons> Bunch of guys, yeah
[2:59] <steve_rox> how long untill rasberry PI's are added to minecraft ? ;-)
[2:59] <piofcube> it was just the ALU
[2:59] <piless> bluestone would be really nice, so you could put them next to redstone without them connecting
[3:00] <mrdragons> Well yeah, it's part of the cpu though
[3:00] <piofcube> I'm sure they would have done more but would be difficult with the space limitations
[3:01] <piless> Pistons was probably the best update ever though
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[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> Sometimes I wish I could run a server just so I could con people into building my completely self sustainable base.... >.>
[3:01] <piofcube> yeah pistons made so many things possible
[3:01] <steve_rox> only cos ppl could make massive death grinder machines
[3:02] <piofcube> auto-farms also LOL
[3:02] <piless> steve_rox: Nah, one guy made functioning memory using pistons
[3:02] <steve_rox> like some kinda nazi deathcamp?
[3:02] <piless> It was like a rotating punchcard system except with wool and pistons
[3:02] <steve_rox> how much space could it store?
[3:02] <piofcube> lol
[3:03] <piless> steve_rox: Not a whole lot I suppose
[3:03] <steve_rox> still a interesting idea
[3:03] <steve_rox> proof of instanity/consept
[3:04] <piless> 99% of minecraftt servers are horrible though
[3:04] <piofcube> I'm nearly finished my own base
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[3:04] <des2> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Qualcomm-Tegra-3-Snapdragon-S4-Windows-On-ARM,14856.html
[3:04] <piless> they either have power-tripping admins or tons of restrictions
[3:04] <steve_rox> seems it
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[3:05] <piless> piofcube: is it zombie proof?
[3:05] <piless> seeing as they can break down doors now
[3:05] <steve_rox> wtf?
[3:05] <steve_rox> theycan?
[3:05] <piless> Yeah like in terraria
[3:05] <piofcube> piless lava pit at door... only one way in... It's a large pyramid
[3:06] <piofcube> makes me glad you can get 1 sandstone for only 4 sand and not 9 LOL
[3:06] <piless> piofcube: You should have a lava wall with a minecart on the other side, if you right clicked through the wall you'd teleport through into the minecart on the otherside
[3:07] <piofcube> piless But then I wouldn't have a big lever to pull ;-)
[3:07] <piless> what does the lever do?
[3:08] <piofcube> opens the floor to expose the lava pit
[3:08] <piofcube> Haven't got round to adding the or gate logic yet
[3:08] <piless> Oh and steve, dispensers can now chuck out mob eggs which turn into mobs
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> I dislike that you can make infinite water sources
[3:09] <piless> which makes for a lot more fun adventure maps
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> but you can't make infinite lava sources
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[3:09] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Infinite water sucks.
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think so, it's very useful.... lol
[3:10] <piofcube> too useful at times LOL... fluid go do with reworking though
[3:10] <piless> There was a mod that actually had proper water
[3:10] <piofcube> could do**
[3:10] <piless> oh, did you hear about them hiring the bukkit team to work on the server api?
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> Like the fact that it's easier to create entire watered areas for a base with a single infinite water source than going and harvesting the lake
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[3:12] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Try swimming through it though, it will suck you down which normally placed water won't do.
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[3:13] <mkopack> Yay, tornado watch in the area...
[3:13] <mkopack> sigh
[3:13] <steve_rox> seems minecraft has gone stupid?
[3:13] <des2> Did you go to watch one ?
[3:13] <piless> steve_rox: Yeah, but at least they're still updating it tons
[3:13] <piless> steve_rox: There's jungles aswell now
[3:14] <steve_rox> not nesseily a good thing to keep updateing
[3:14] <piless> steve_rox: Keeps it from getting stagnant
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> I only ever do infinite water sources in one tile deep areas....
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[3:14] <piless> It's still just as buggy as ever now even though it's a full release :P
[3:15] <piless> steve_rox: Have you played terraria?
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[3:15] <steve_rox> no
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[3:16] <steve_rox> did you see that PI custom case ebay joke?
[3:16] <piless> steve_rox: BUY IT, it's on steam. It's like minecraft but 2d and 10x more fun
[3:16] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-professional-Recycled-/290677470826?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item43adba366a
[3:16] <piless> steve_rox: the cig box?
[3:16] <steve_rox> ill look it up if i rember
[3:16] <steve_rox> and yeah
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> I have to admit Terraria can be interesting... but it gets annoying at times.
[3:17] <piless> steve_rox: http://store.steampowered.com/app/105600/
[3:17] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Only after you've completed the whole game
[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> It's just a lot of hassle having to do all the mining .-.
[3:19] <steve_rox> ill have to look at that game when im more awake
[3:19] <steve_rox> online or just 127.0.0.1 ?
[3:19] <steve_rox> -gameplay
[3:19] <piless> both
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[3:20] <steve_rox> oh
[3:20] <piofcube> yeah Terraria is fun
[3:20] <piless> Also, I'd say do offline first, because other people could just give you high level items and ruin the progression of the game for you
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm....
[3:21] <steve_rox> wtf is a "raspberry pi persional mobile website free hosting at raspberrypi.mobile"
[3:21] <steve_rox> ebay wankers capitaliseing on the search word?
[3:22] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Personal-Mobile-Website-Free-Hosting-RaspberryPi-Mobi-/200722028480?pt=UK_Computing_Services&hash=item2ebbf717c0
[3:23] <steve_rox> - bastards
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[3:23] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yes, now "optimized" for the raspberry pi experience, no doubt. :)
[3:23] <steve_rox> seems logical
[3:23] <steve_rox> :-P
[3:23] <piless> lol "sam's fantastic"
[3:24] <imconfused> I have registered my interest at both distributors, but never heard back from either. I tried getting in contact with one of the local distributors in UAE, but they didn't get back to me either. Will I have to wait more than 2 months to get one now?
[3:25] <steve_rox> offensive they should display it on a iphone
[3:25] <piless> imconfused: They are replying in the order that they got the signups
[3:25] <piless> imconfused: You'll probably get an email in a day or so
[3:26] <imconfused> piless: It has been days now, but I guess I will wait, not much I can do at this point
[3:26] <Xark_> imconfused: You can just go and pre-order now if you want (at least from Element14/Newark in most countries).
[3:26] <piless> imconfused: my delivery date isn't for almost 2 months
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sorry.... compared to the RPi 20 Pounds is not a "low cost solution"
[3:27] <Xark_> imconfused: I "registered my interest" several times, but then found a "working" pre-order for Newark (US). Now I have an estimated date of May 12th, :)
[3:27] <imconfused> Xark_: it doesn't give me the option to pre-order, just to register my interest
[3:27] <Xark_> imconfused: Are you in the US?
[3:28] <imconfused> Xark_: no, UAE
[3:28] <piless> imconfused: Which country are you currently residing in?
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[3:28] <imconfused> piless: United Arab Emirates
[3:28] <Xark_> imconfused: Hmm, well, here is the forum from Element14 with EU and US links (not sure about UAE)...
[3:29] <imconfused> I will try getting in touch with their support
[3:29] <Xark_> imconfused: ... http://www.element14.com/community/message/45250#45250/l/re-preorder-in-germany
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[3:30] <Xark_> imconfused: OK. You could also try posting in that forum.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... this is just ridiculous.... I could see having a webaddress of like raspberrypi.mobi might be cool if you were hosting a site on your Pi.... but stating they'll host it for you or you can use ANY computer....
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> defeats the whole purpose
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[3:31] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: The purpose is to get your money, that is all. :)
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[3:31] <piless> imconfused: It was the same for me, until they sent me an email saying "... Thank you for being patient as we work to handle the queue." and they included a special link in which to pre-order
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[3:32] <steve_rox> they cant cope
[3:32] <steve_rox> probly be a year untill i shall bother ordering
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> Order now
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> wait til may
[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> then it's not a year :p
[3:33] <Xark_> steve_rox: They may be putting them in cereal boxes by then. :)
[3:33] <mute> sweet
[3:34] <piless> Well, I think the issue with farnell is that they initially accepted any sized order in the mad 6am rush but they've been going through all the orders and deleting all except for the first item as so to comply with the organisations wishes
[3:34] <Xark_> "Raspberry Charms! They are Broadcommy delicious!"
[3:34] <DaQatz> I would be eating a lot of cearal
[3:34] <piless> steve_rox: If you wait until Q4 then you'll also get a case
[3:35] <DaQatz> Custom case is half the fun.
[3:35] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-XXX-professional-Recyclable-/180833083409?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item2a1a7de011
[3:35] <steve_rox> you gotta see this
[3:35] <piless> DaQatz: Not if the custom case costs ??20
[3:35] <mute> i was trying at 0600Z and gave up. registered interest at farnell, and Newark emailed me. said 1 will ship April 4th, the rest expected May 12th
[3:35] <DaQatz> Can any one guess what type of case PiBot's server is in?
[3:35] <Xark_> piless: It seems a lot of people are really concerned about a "naked" computer... (from reading some comments).
[3:35] <piless> Plus I don't have a dremel
[3:35] <steve_rox> a PI case made outter a bog roll
[3:35] <DaQatz> piless, then don't spend 20 for a case
[3:35] <des2> I don't want to eat closed source cereal.
[3:35] <steve_rox> ebay users gone nuts
[3:36] <piless> Xark_: I'd like to shove it in an original gameboy
[3:36] <des2> Xark those are the people that I'm guessing are ordering for the wrong reasons.
[3:36] <DaQatz> PiBot's server is running from... "A ramen box"
[3:36] <Xark_> piless: Hehe, yes, there was a youtube video with a little rendering showing something like that IIRC. Not a bad idea (but I wouldn't want to harm my still working GB).
[3:36] <MBS> pfff
[3:36] <steve_rox> whats the wrong reasions?
[3:36] <DaQatz> Literally a ramen box.
[3:36] <MBS> just wrap your pi in some duct tape
[3:37] <des2> A 'wrong reason' would be thinking you are getting something you are not.
[3:37] <piless> MBS: Wouldn't the tape create a static charge?
[3:37] <MBS> maybe
[3:37] <Xark_> MBS: Shallow cardboard box will work for me (just to keep it anchored a bit). :)
[3:37] <des2> Like a small desktop replacement.
[3:37] <MBS> only one way to find out
[3:37] <des2> Or a media player that handles flash
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[3:38] <DaQatz> I may eat some ferrero rocher and use the case from that.
[3:38] <DaQatz> A small one is about right
[3:38] <piless> des2: What if you're someone who always ends up spilling liquids over electrical equipment?
[3:39] <DaQatz> Or I could use a travel soap box
[3:39] <a5m0> anyone know if there has been any movement on board level cameras for the pi?
[3:39] <DaQatz> They got for 89 cents
[3:39] <des2> Piless you want to wait for the epoxy encased Pi
[3:39] <Xark_> des2: Some people are absolutely headed for extreme "disappointment" (but not the Raspberry Pi's fault). :)
[3:39] <MBS> XDXD
[3:39] <MBS> for people that need a case
[3:39] <MBS> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-professional-Recycled-/290677470826?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item43adba366a#ht_500wt_1413
[3:39] <piless> des2: I'll wait for the pi & gert expoxy encased combo
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[3:40] <des2> When they read things like was written in The Daily Mail about it running windows software. Trouble is ahead.
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[3:40] <piless> des2: It can't run windows?!
[3:40] <DaQatz> I can get these at a local grocery for $7 http://www.amazon.com/Ferrero-Rocher-48-count-gift/dp/B000NME65K they come in a plastic case which is perfect.
[3:40] <Xark_> piless: I read Windows works on ARM so OF COURSE IT CAN!. :D
[3:40] <piless> des2: Surely it'll be able to run wince? :P
[3:41] <des2> Not even in a VM...
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[3:41] <piless> DaQatz: Get those instead, http://www.amazon.com/Cadbury-Easter-Creme-1-2-Ounce-Eggs/dp/B00473X54O/ref=lp_488582011_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1330742444&sr=1-2
[3:42] * Xark_ checks...yep Raspberry Pi should be Turing complete (other than non-infinite memory limitations), so it can run ANYTHING (given enough time and storage)! :D
[3:42] <DaQatz> piless, no plastic case for my pi
[3:42] <piless> BUT CADBURYS CREME EGGS
[3:42] <DaQatz> I can also get those at my grocery
[3:42] <DaQatz> cheaper then amazon like the other candies
[3:43] <piless> Oh, I thought they were rare for you americans
[3:43] <DaQatz> But the clear plastic case, would be perfect for the pi.
[3:43] * Xark_ was only slightly disappointed that the RP doesn't drop right into an Altoids tin (the "official" homebrew case, after all...)
[3:43] <piless> Xark_: Take a hacksaw to it
[3:43] <DaQatz> piless, nope but mostly only around easter
[3:43] <piless> DaQatz: Muahahaha, we get then all year round
[3:43] <Xark_> piless: I am working on perfecting my "shrink ray"... :)
[3:44] <Xark_> Hmm...might overclock it too...
[3:44] <des2> If you shrink the die it will use less power
[3:44] <DaQatz> piless, They CAN be got, but very little demand.
[3:44] <des2> But you'll need to find a micro HDMI cable
[3:44] <piless> shrink two, so you can sell one to intel
[3:45] <Xark_> des2: I recently got a device that needed "mini" HDMI (I hadn't realized there are three sizes). :)
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[3:49] <ksx4system> DaQatz: it would take around 2 hours to design the case... if designer will do it for free we're all set, manufacturing is cheap as fuck
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[3:50] <ksx4system> here in Poland it should take less than $10 to manufacture one case
[3:50] <acfrazier> I guess the only reason I'm so pissed
[3:50] <ksx4system> and much cheaper if we'll go 1000
[3:50] <Xark_> I really don't understand people with a nice GPU are talking about wanking around to get "teletext" (which I believe is CG generated from chip in the TV) from the RP, when it has full 720x480 (or x576) SDTV output. No doubt the framebuffer needs a decent composite font and anti-flicker, but teletext seems crazy to me. Here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/educational-applications/composite-resolution-too-low-to-be-of-use-for-p
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[3:50] <acfrazier> I actually code. I wonder how many people ordered one to fuck around with
[3:50] <des2> Two pieces of plastic that snap together should be about $3.
[3:50] <acfrazier> I have about 3 projects (some include entire distros) that I'll be helping
[3:51] <lianj> acfrazier: but but what about my xbmc setup ;)
[3:51] <des2> Your link doesn't seem to work Xark
[3:51] <des2> (I think it was too long for your IRC client)
[3:51] <ksx4system> des2: well, I thought about more than two pieces and high quality transparent plastic
[3:51] <acfrazier> just because I didn't want to wait until 5 AM EST to order because we crashed in 9 minutes
[3:51] <piless> Xark_: They're probably nostalging since teletext went away with freeview
[3:52] <acfrazier> I dunno, the entire point of this was to get it into the hands of developers
[3:52] <ksx4system> + there's RS232 onboard and DB9 socket costs something too
[3:52] <lianj> acfrazier: ack, but there was also a beta round
[3:52] <acfrazier> Right, and I asked to take part in it and it fell on deaf ears
[3:52] <acfrazier> I sent about 5 emails after I met with Liz and Eben in person
[3:53] <Xark_> Hmm, sorry about that. RP forums "Home|Forum|Educational applications|composite resolution too low to be of use for programming"
[3:53] <ksx4system> thnx Xark_
[3:53] <lianj> acfrazier: hehe, condolence
[3:54] <acfrazier> it just means I can't start on the projects for another 2 months
[3:54] <acfrazier> which is huge
[3:54] <acfrazier> of course they could have 100,000 of the things being made
[3:54] <lianj> from the archlinuxarm guys luckily 2 got a device, leaving time to prepare kernel
[3:54] <des2> I can't fault them in limiting the first production run to 10,000
[3:55] * Xark_ could see making the framebuffer console "friendly" to SDTV being a nice RP project (probably not too difficult).
[3:55] <des2> You never know what might have happened.
[3:55] <lianj> acfrazier: for now, i use pandaboards. sure they are not cheap, but clients pay anyway
[3:55] <acfrazier> des2, if they took preorders which they initially refused to do
[3:55] <acfrazier> lianj, I am an open source type.. I don't get paid
[3:56] <lianj> you work a burgerking for rent?
[3:56] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, especially when your and your friends have mortgaged their houses to $250,000 (according to one interview with Eben).
[3:56] <acfrazier> no, I live with my grandmother
[3:56] <acfrazier> :P
[3:56] * lianj giggles
[3:56] <lianj> thats one solution too :P
[3:56] <acfrazier> and am going to college part time
[3:56] <acfrazier> so in my free time, I code
[3:56] <lianj> oh ok ;)
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[3:57] <acfrazier> I might consider a pandaboard at this point so I can get the ARM builds at least working
[3:58] <lianj> or if you want cheap arm or, but not so powerfull, get one of the other plug computers, like a dockstar
[3:58] <Xark_> acfrazier: I was kind of disappointed to hear that apparently the PB overheats under heavy use. I guess not too hard to put on a heatsink, but seems kind of weak for that money,
[3:58] <SpeedEvil> PB?
[3:59] <Xark_> PandaBoard (TI OMAP4 dev board)
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[3:59] <des2> I'm rather surprised the PI doesn't include any type of heat sink.
[3:59] <lianj> Xark_: didnt notice that yet
[3:59] <des2> But I am unfamiliar with the specific processer used.
[4:00] <Xark_> des2: All the reports I've read is it generates nearly no heat even under heavy use. I can see that for 700Mhz ARM, but I am curious after Quake3 for a while... :)
[4:00] <piless> des2: well if they overheat and die, you'll have to buy a new one, they win
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> des2: A rough guess. The Pi uses ~2.5W@5V - this is 500mA. It's likely, based on handwaving, that it will actually want something like (including the RAM) 400mA@1.8V, and 100mA@3.3V
[4:00] <Xark_> lianj: May not be a big issue, but I was reading some forum posts and blogs talking about it (and the best solution).
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> This is 1W
[4:00] <Xark_> lianj: Apparently an issue for "compile farm" type use.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> Most of the heat is lost in the regulators.
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[4:01] <des2> So the process will be using about 1 Watt them worst case ?
[4:01] <des2> processor
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> des2: Of that order
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[4:01] <SpeedEvil> The above includes the RAM usage - which may be ~100mA@1.8V
[4:02] <lianj> Xark_: the omap4 is pretty awesome though, i really like it
[4:02] <acfrazier> meh.
[4:02] <acfrazier> not something I can budget for right now
[4:02] <Xark_> lianj: Yeah, looks nice. I am happy with RP, but I will miss Thumb2 and NEON. :)
[4:02] <acfrazier> since my Pi order is irrevocable and there's about $90 there
[4:03] <des2> I'm guessing you could revoke it if you asked nicely.
[4:03] <acfrazier> knowing my luck I would and they'd be in stock the next day
[4:03] <Xark_> lianj: We will have to see if the RP GPU outperforms the PandaBoard OMAP (as is rumored).
[4:04] <acfrazier> lol newark is still laggy
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[4:05] <lianj> Xark_: the gpu part maybe. but not its Cortex-A9 MPCore
[4:05] <acfrazier> hm, my ship date has moved up
[4:05] <acfrazier> 4/3/12
[4:05] <acfrazier> a month isn't too long of a wait
[4:05] <lianj> Xark_: but yea, it at a whole different price, so hardly comparable
[4:06] <Xark_> lianj: Agreed. ARM11 has less latency, but this won't overcome the Mhz diff. :)
[4:06] <des2> I suspect the ship date will be bouncing around a bit
[4:06] <Xark_> (or dual issue, caches etc.)
[4:06] <acfrazier> well it was originally 5/12
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[4:07] <Xark_> acfrazier: Sweet, I wonder if mine might...
[4:07] * Xark_ also has 5/12...
[4:08] <lianj> is the rpi mpcore?
[4:08] <Xark_> lianj: No pretty sure not.
[4:09] <Xark_> lianj: As others were saying it is a beefy VideoCore GPU with a ARM core tacked on for networking and the load shaders. :)
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[4:09] <lianj> hihi
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[4:11] <Xark_> lianj: Do you know if the Pandaboard is running with ARM hard-float (or are people working on that)? Supposedly the Fedora remix for RP will be hard-float (which will help the poor little RP CPU).
[4:11] <lianj> Xark_: archlinuxarm has a hard-float userland for it
[4:12] <Xark_> lianj: Cool. I see there is an arch for RP now (so perhaps it is in that too).
[4:13] <lianj> Xark_: http://archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-omap-smp-latest.tar.gz that one is
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[4:18] <Xark_> lianj: Do you do much "native" Linux use on your PandaBoard (run a desktop, compile apps)? I am curious if it is reasonably stable (when I was playing with ARM Linux on N800 several years ago, it wasn't that stable).
[4:18] * Xark_ suspects things are much improved with all the ARM attention of late.
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[4:19] <mute> got a kirkwood platform running for months.
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[4:20] <Xark_> mute: Nice. Does that have video/GPU?
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[4:20] <lianj> Xark_: depends on the kernel, the latest still have issues with sound. worked on older ones. for the rest, it works really nice
[4:21] <mute> nah =\
[4:21] <Xark_> lianj: So perhaps a few driver issues, but no random hangs or general unreliability?
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[4:21] <Xark_> mute: Is that is what is in GuruPlug/SheevaPlug?
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[4:24] <des2> Pogoplug for the $20 win!
[4:25] <Xark_> lianj: Also, with 1GB of RAM the experience may be "quite different" than with RP. In the Fedora RP Remix FAQ then mention it is best to only run one application at a time (despite the spacious 1080p desktop). :)
[4:27] <des2> 1 GB gives you nice breathing room.
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[4:28] <Xark_> des2: Yes. 256MB is somewhat tight. But I choose to think of it as 1/2 of a PS3 or Xbox 360, so that shouldn't be too bad. :)
[4:30] <Henchman21> original xbox was like 64
[4:31] <lianj> just dont run kde/gnome :P
[4:31] <des2> I have 1GB in my Intel Atom Ubuntu machine. I could put more in but hasn't been worth the effort.
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[4:31] <Xark_> Henchman21: Yep. So it is luxurious compared to original Xbox (and with a comparable GPU). :)
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[4:33] <Henchman21> heh anyone looking to make it a desktop will be disappointed
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[4:36] <Henchman21> i got a usb keyboard for simple use like if the net dies i need to be able to login and fix it
[4:36] <Xark_> Henchman21: Yeah, I can't see the RP being my main computer. :) But that is OK. It is probably totally adequate for many tasks (browsing, word processing etc.), but it depends how "spoiled" the user already is. :-)
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[4:36] <Henchman21> guess it'd be easy enough to just reboot it
[4:36] <Henchman21> but setting wpa supplicant config for the first time
[4:37] <Xark_> Henchman21: Yeah, especially if you have a spare SD card the unit should be "stateless" (i.e., like a Linksys etc., easier to power off then on then diagnose). :)
[4:39] <Henchman21> toy with riscos for 15 min
[4:39] <Henchman21> then install debian XD
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[4:42] <Henchman21> port plan9
[4:43] <Xark_> Henchman21: I haven't used Red Hat since Fedora was Red Hat, but I think I will look at it. It does seem to look like it is the most "optimized" for RP currently (but Arch and Puppy etc. probably aren't too different).
[4:43] <mkopack> Oh sweet! I just did a little calculations, based on my current grades, and assuming I do some of the extra credit, I can get an A without even taking the final exam in my Gfx class :)
[4:43] <Xark_> Henchman21: Nothing against Debian either (that was just billed as the "interm" OS).
[4:44] <des2> Until you get an OS you actually want running ?
[4:44] <mkopack> I wonder just how horrible the RPi will be with these 2 4GB Class 2 SD cards I have....
[4:44] <Xark_> Henchman21: Sounds like a plan...
[4:45] <mkopack> I bought a 16GB Class 4 for it, but wondering if the Class 2's will be significantly slower....
[4:45] <des2> It'll be fine mkopack unless it swaps...
[4:45] <Xark_> mkopack: Did you see already see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60111136/SD%20card%20benchmarks.pdf ?
[4:46] <mkopack> Xark: Nope, what did they use to do those tests (i.e., hardware/system) ?
[4:46] <mkopack> I don't have any of those on the list...
[4:47] <mkopack> What's that tool you can use on Linux to get all sorts of info on your SD card?
[4:47] <Xark_> mkopack: Not positive, but I think it may have been a TI OMAP. Let me check forum post (was from Pi forums...)
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[4:47] <mkopack> FINALLY the forums are back up! YAY
[4:50] <Xark_> mkopack: Ok, it was user Chromatix (Helsinki) who was using TrimSlice (Tegra 2).
[4:50] <mkopack> ok, so it was on a roughly comparable device??? interesting
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[4:55] <Xark_> mkopack: Yeah, some of the best ARM Linux SD benchmarks (and nice in the graph form). This was from the large "Class 10 SD cards on the production boards" thread.
[4:56] <mkopack> great, more frickin Tornado Watch T-Storms heading my way??? grr Gonna be a LONG night
[4:58] <Dagger3> Xark_: whoever made that PDF needs to be introduced to the concept of units :/
[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> Omg these friggin slimes are so annoying .-.
[4:58] <mkopack> lol, yes
[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:01] <Xark_> Dagger3: Hehe, well if you want the "numeric" data version, it is in an earlier post.
[5:04] <Xark_> Dagger3: Raspberry Pi could very well be different too, but the relative performance of the cards is likely to be similar. Not sure about his synthetic benchmark number, but rest look like MB/sec from a glance.
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[5:11] <Dagger3> I can't find the post in question. but I don't necessarily want the numeric data version; I just want some numbers that mean something
[5:11] * Xark_ finds UK_scone's blog an amusing read -> http://russelldavis.org/2012/02/29/how-to-break-the-internet-in-10-easy-steps/
[5:14] <Henchman21> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-XXX-professional-Recyclable-/180833083409?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item2a1a7de011
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[5:22] <DaQatz> The cigarette box is getting post pretty often in here.
[5:22] <DaQatz> !channel
[5:22] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots #raspberrypi-owners
[5:22] <DaQatz> !w
[5:22] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat Mar 3 08:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 88%, Later 496??Ra - 484??Ra. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[5:23] <DaQatz> Kinda chilly, but still nto bad
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yeesh.... so many channels
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[5:23] <DaQatz> 4 channels atm
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> 441Ra?
[5:23] <DaQatz> Rankin
[5:23] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[5:23] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[5:23] <DaQatz> !w
[5:23] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat Mar 3 08:51:00 2012. Temp 26??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 88%, Later 37??F - 25??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[5:23] <mkopack> !w
[5:23] <DaQatz> !weather_set ra
[5:23] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using rankine.
[5:24] <mkopack> !w Duluth, GA
[5:24] <PiBot> mkopack: in Duluth, GA on Sat Mar 3 03:53:00 2012. Temp 68??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 76%, Later 82??F - 52??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[5:24] <DaQatz> mkopack, you need to set your location
[5:24] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc Berwick Maine
[5:24] <PiBot> DaQatz: Your location has been set to Berwick Maine.
[5:24] <mkopack> HAHA, Chance of storm? They're talking about Tornados coming in! LOL
[5:24] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[5:24] <DaQatz> Well, that is a storm
[5:24] <des2> Rankine? Does it have Newtons ?
[5:25] <DaQatz> No
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[5:25] <DaQatz> Atm has kelvin rankine C and f
[5:25] <SpeedEvil> Newtpms are not a temperature.
[5:25] <SpeedEvil> !w
[5:25] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife on Sat Mar 3 03:50:00 2012. Temp 279K. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 93%.
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[5:26] <DaQatz> I can add temp scales pretty easy.
[5:26] <des2> Degrees Newton is a temprtature unit.
[5:26] <mkopack> ok, heading to bed. Later guys! Robot Club tomorrow morning :)
[5:26] <DaQatz> So are chirps per minute
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[5:27] <imsky> GIVE ME MY PI
[5:27] <imsky> give pi now
[5:27] <DaQatz> I'll give you a nice round pi!
[5:27] <DaQatz> 3
[5:27] <des2> Where are you on the list imsky ?
[5:27] <imsky> des2 i'm on the "haven't ordered yet" list
[5:27] <DaQatz> So round it's integral
[5:27] <imsky> lol
[5:27] <des2> Well that's no way to get one.
[5:27] <imsky> Math.floor(PI)
[5:28] <imsky> des2: i'm being forward-thinking and not ordering until like a month passes
[5:28] <imsky> in the meantime i'm gonna express the crap out of my yearning for PI
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[5:31] <GabrialDestruir> I'm on the "Ordered but have to wait" list
[5:31] <imsky> we're not so different, you and i
[5:31] <imsky> neither of us has PI
[5:31] <DaQatz> Y o y o y?
[5:31] <imsky> is it rap night?
[5:32] <imsky> yo yo yo, raspberry pi something something yo
[5:32] <DaQatz> y = why
[5:32] <DaQatz> o = oh
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how long it'd take Pi to calculate Pi
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[5:32] <DaQatz> not yo
[5:32] <des2> Forever
[5:32] <imsky> GabrialDestruir: 2 mitt romney seconds?
[5:32] <imsky> vote romney for your time unit qualifier
[5:33] <DaQatz> Still shorter then an internet second
[5:33] <imsky> funny you should bring that up
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> Wtf is a mitt romney second?
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[5:34] <imsky> it's a second, just republican and candidate-ly
[5:34] <DaQatz> Ie abotu 20 minutes
[5:34] <imsky> there are some race conditions
[5:34] <DaQatz> Or never
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[5:34] <DaQatz> Which ever comes first
[5:34] <imsky> right exactly
[5:35] <imsky> we'll know on november 4th
[5:35] <des2> Please, leave race out of it.
[5:35] <imsky> HOPE AND CHANGE 2012!
[5:35] <imsky> i hope i get some pi so i can change the date on it to 2012
[5:35] <des2> Everytime it boots
[5:35] <DaQatz> I this chan is pg13 lets leave filthy US politics out of here.
[5:36] <imsky> lol
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> EXILE THE STUPID PEOPLE! (Aka Republican Canidates)
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> <,<
[5:36] <imsky> politics: dirtier than porn
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[5:40] <DaQatz> Wow tasted some "really" cheap scotch here. Expect complete rot gut. But it's not horrible.
[5:41] <imsky> you're not dead yet: mission accomplished
[5:42] <DaQatz> Day's not over
[5:43] <des2> And there's more Scotch
[5:44] <DaQatz> Well I just opened the bottle, so yes
[5:44] <DaQatz> Cept I only poured 1 finger and I'm sipping it.
[5:44] <DaQatz> So drinking the whole bottle would take all night or more.
[5:50] <mdavey> Reading the comments to the latest blog post. Just wow. As negative as some of the comments on twitter and here were on Wednesday, they are positive on the blog now people have had time to reflect.
[5:50] <mdavey> The blog comments certainly aren't all positive - but there are some really nice ones.
[5:51] <hotwings> i must be the only one who doesnt give a damn about twitter
[5:56] <DaQatz> Had people pm'ing me death threats that night for muting them for spamming
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[5:56] <DaQatz> So yeha people were not happy
[5:57] <DataSpree> rofl http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-professional-Recycled-/290677470826?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item43adba366a
[5:57] <des2> Hell hath not fury like a geek denied pi
[5:57] <DaQatz> That keeps coming up
[5:57] <DaQatz> The cigarette box is getting post pretty often in here.
[5:59] <imsky> lol
[6:00] <DaQatz> Maybe I make a bamboo case out of disposable chopsticks.
[6:01] <hotwings> hmm
[6:01] <hotwings> i actually have several left over planks of nice bamboo flooring
[6:01] <hotwings> could make a cool case out of it
[6:01] <des2> If you want to make a cool case be sure to drill vent holes.
[6:01] <imsky> hey guys
[6:02] <imsky> will the pi work encased in a block of ice?
[6:02] <hotwings> cover it in hotglue first, then sure
[6:02] <imsky> got no moving parts!
[6:03] <DaQatz> Put it in a chocolate bar.
[6:03] <des2> Just make sure your ice doesn't get too cold.
[6:03] <hotwings> water conducts dude
[6:04] <imsky> how about
[6:04] <imsky> frozen mineral oil
[6:04] <DaQatz> I should see if I can find a raspberry "table talk" pie and put it in that box.
[6:04] <DaQatz> Should be near the right size
[6:05] <hotwings> just fill a cup with olive oil and throw it in there
[6:05] <DaQatz> olive oil is too impure
[6:05] <imsky> i'm off to the kitchen!
[6:06] <des2> No raspberry, sorry: http://www.tabletalkpie.com/pies.htm
[6:06] <DaQatz> Damn
[6:06] <imsky> oh god how i want a pie
[6:06] <DaQatz> Hard to get raspberry pie state side
[6:06] <DaQatz> No clue why
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[6:06] <imsky> we live in primitive times
[6:06] <DataSpree> a pecan pie sounds really good right now
[6:07] <DaQatz> raspberries grow every where
[6:07] <hotwings> i hate *berry pies
[6:07] <hotwings> and apple pie
[6:07] <imsky> you heathen
[6:07] <imsky> you're not merkan
[6:08] <DataSpree> hotwings: what about rhubarb pie?
[6:08] * mdavey bravely enters the forum
[6:08] <imsky> celery pie, DataSpree
[6:08] <hotwings> basically i only like french silk pie, and boston cream pie :D
[6:08] <DaQatz> I tend to dislike commercial *berry pies
[6:08] <DaQatz> Home made is good though
[6:08] <hotwings> i like rhubarb, but not in pie
[6:08] <DaQatz> Cause ti has berries, not sugar flavored like berries
[6:08] <DaQatz> I juice rhubarb
[6:09] <DaQatz> I have huge wild blackberries that grow here
[6:09] <DaQatz> That are awesome.
[6:10] <DaQatz> The road is called blackberry hill for a reason
[6:10] <DaQatz> It's an odd strain
[6:10] <hotwings> i dont really like any berries at all
[6:10] <hotwings> i like cherries though
[6:10] <DaQatz> The stalks get about 9 to 10 feet high
[6:12] <DaQatz> Lots of wild cherries here too
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[6:12] <DaQatz> Mostly choke cherries
[6:12] <DaQatz> They taste good though
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[6:13] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[6:13] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
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[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LnjSWPxJxNs
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> That's why I don't build wooden minecraft houses .-.
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[6:32] <Aethaeryn> GabrialDestruir: Oh, those were the good old days of Minecraft
[6:33] <Aethaeryn> 2010
[6:33] <GabrialDestruir> Ah crap.... I went to the local village to burn it down....
[6:33] <GabrialDestruir> and lost my base xD
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[6:36] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna quit that now, can't figure out how I want to expand my base yet .-.
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[7:14] <Milos> Anyone's order status better than "Processing"?
[7:14] <GabrialDestruir> "Backorder" ?
[7:15] <Milos> That's worse.
[7:20] <des2> Mines "Haven't even ordered yet"
[7:20] <Milos> lol
[7:23] <fragalot> mornin'
[7:23] <fragalot> Milos: it's ok, they've got a short lead time of only 62 weeks.
[7:23] <des2> morning
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[7:24] <fragalot> lol!
[7:25] <fragalot> my farnell order confirmation (random components, not an rpi) finally got emailed to me... for an order I placed just before the rpi got released
[7:25] <Milos> yeah
[7:25] <Milos> lolz
[7:25] <fragalot> good to see their mail system finally catching up, lol
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[7:26] <Xark_> fragalot: You mean they sell other stuff too? :)
[7:26] <DaQatz> I told them I was chuck norris, they said I would have it yesterday
[7:27] <fragalot> Xark_: well they're trying to anyway xD
[7:27] <Milos> of course they sell other stuff
[7:28] <DaQatz> they do?
[7:29] <DaQatz> So they are wasting their time not getting me a pi by making money through other means?!?!?
[7:30] <Xark_> How rude...
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[7:33] <des2> Are you building a random number generator fragalot ?
[7:38] <fragalot> lol
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[7:38] <DaQatz> PiBot is on a board with a good TRNG
[7:39] <DaQatz> It measures the diff between to oscillators that in theory should always be the same.
[7:39] <DaQatz> high quality random numbers
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[7:41] <des2> Sounds like a faulty theory to me DaQatz
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[7:43] <fragalot> yeah... good quality oscillators should be predictable
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[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... I just realized why I have issues with Assasin's Creed -.-
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> The character doesn't like to go where you want it to go
[7:45] <DaQatz> http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp
[7:46] <DaQatz> That's the thing "should be" but that makes the measured diffs less predictable.
[7:47] <GabrialDestruir> I'm starting to think farnell has no intention of getting back to me >.>
[7:48] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir, actually they are, they are just busy figuring out a really funny excuse for you.;
[7:48] <GabrialDestruir> Bah
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[7:49] <des2> Perhaps they read this channel and know how to push your buttons
[7:49] <fragalot> http://chzscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/funny-science-news-experiments-memes-problem-solving-engineer-styled1.jpg
[7:49] <fragalot> lol
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yes I'm sure they do!
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> I'm positive of it! It all makes since now!
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> sense even
[7:49] <fragalot> des2: but we're the ones that want to push the buttons
[7:49] <fragalot> we want them to PROVIDE these buttons
[7:50] <des2> I have bad news for you gragalot
[7:51] <des2> If you look at the production board, you'll see there are no buttons.
[7:51] <fragalot> des2: there are gpio pins
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[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> No there aren't.
[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:51] <Xark_> des2: Hmm, I thought there was a teeny reset...
[7:51] <fragalot> holes!
[7:51] <fragalot> darnit :D
[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> There's holes for GPIO pins
[7:51] * fragalot stares long and hard at GabrialDestruir
[7:52] <DaQatz> We dun need no steeeenkin bootons!
[7:52] <GabrialDestruir> They've outsmarted you.
[7:52] <GabrialDestruir> and your little dog too!
[7:53] <DaQatz> They can not outsmart his dog
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[7:53] <DaQatz> Him ... well yeah...
[7:53] <DaQatz> but not the dog
[7:53] <fragalot> they can in april when it gets here
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[7:53] * Xark_ squints at http://yfrog.com/z/mg4m3qmj
[7:53] <fragalot> now it's still a blind lil' helpless ball of furry love
[7:54] <fragalot> Xark_: it must be on the other side!
[7:54] <Xark_> fragalot: :)
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[7:54] <fragalot> does the rpi support PoE btw?
[7:55] <fragalot> oh! the site is back up
[7:55] * fragalot goes to answer his own question
[7:55] <DaQatz> Yep
[7:55] <DaQatz> Been so for awhile
[7:55] <Xark_> fragalot: No PoE.
[7:56] <fragalot> DaQatz: i've been asleep for a while :D
[7:56] <fragalot> Xark_: owell - can't have it all :P
[7:56] <fragalot> well.. you can, but not at that price
[7:56] <des2> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Raspberry_Pi_Beta_Board.jpg
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[7:56] <Xark_> fragalot: Fast, cheap or good (or double on on one). :)
[7:56] <Xark_> ^up
[7:57] <des2> I don't see one. I know the Alpha had a reset button.
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[7:57] <fragalot> Xark_: i've got a sign like that in my shop :D
[7:57] <Xark_> des2: Yep, that must be what I was thinking of. I don't see a "pad" for a microswitch...
[7:57] <fragalot> Xark_: is there anything on the other side of the board?
[7:58] <Xark_> fragalot: In my experience, that is a pretty reliable concept in many areas. :)
[7:58] <fragalot> also.. shame there aren't any mounting holes
[7:58] <Xark_> fragalot: They show it in a few videos, and it just looked like the SD card slot (but I didn't "freeze frame" and examine or anything).
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[7:59] <fragalot> Xark_: ?
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[7:59] <Xark_> fragalot: On the other side of the board...
[8:00] <des2> Is there a downloaded manual for the board ?
[8:01] <Xark_> des2: There was something on Element14 Pi site (which also has a few videos and forum etc.). Here http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi (note the "documents" link)
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[8:01] <Xark_> des2: I believe the SoC PDF is available too (if you want low-level info...)
[8:02] <Xark_> des2: Hmm, this is the link you really want: http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43230
[8:03] <des2> elment14 has a really nice site there. Tx.
[8:03] <DaQatz> The E14 vid with Heriatte Green. When she took credit for the Rpi's name he looked liek he wanted to knock her teeth out.
[8:03] <Xark_> des2: Yes. That was one reason why I went with them (along with theirs being the first working link I tried). :)
[8:04] <des2> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/43088-102-1-231662/Raspberry%20Pi.pdf
[8:05] <Xark_> des2: Not too much to that, but it is a helpful start I guess. :)
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[8:06] <des2> There's gonna be issues when people need to install on their SD card.
[8:07] <des2> I see "calculate the number of cylinders"
[8:07] <des2> Reminds me of installing new disks on IBM PCs
[8:07] <Xark_> des2: I think there is a nice "PiCard" app in the works for such people.
[8:07] <fragalot> lol
[8:08] <fragalot> i'm sorta more interest in bare metal programming
[8:08] <Xark_> des2: Also, presumably there will be pre-formatted SD cards for those who need them.
[8:08] <fragalot> there are
[8:09] <des2> They need to update the manual to 256MB for the A
[8:09] <Xark_> fragalot: Did you peruse the SoC docs? Some pretty decent info there (in conjunction with starting at Linux kernel sources).
[8:09] <Xark_> staring^
[8:09] <Xark_> ...whatever speeling...
[8:10] <fragalot> lol
[8:10] <fragalot> Xark_: linux kernel, yes. the SoC on this bugger.. not yet
[8:11] <Xark_> fragalot: Pretty nice to "squeeze" out of Broadcom. http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/43016-102-1-231518/Broadcom.Datasheet.pdf
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[8:12] <GabrialDestruir> I'm seriously confused about my homework this week.... lol
[8:12] <Xark_> fragalot: So do you mean OS/kernel level stuff?
[8:12] <fragalot> wham bam thank you ma'am :D
[8:12] <flea86> lol
[8:12] <des2> "There is no VGA output available, so older VGA monitors will require an expensive adapter"
[8:13] <fragalot> Xark_: with bare metal, I kinda meant without an OS at all
[8:13] <Xark_> fragalot: Well, then you are the OS. :)
[8:13] <fragalot> pretty much :P
[8:14] <fragalot> should be quite interesting to have a go at ARM after trying most other things
[8:14] <Xark_> fragalot: Like the old school game consoles
[8:15] <fragalot> =)
[8:15] <Xark_> des2: Probably makes more sense to get a cheap new monitor than a kludgy adapter. Do any of the cheap ones really work (seems like "no" from what I have read)?
[8:17] <des2> I'm kinda disappointed on the monitor issue.
[8:17] <Xark_> fragalot: On the Pi, that is probably more trouble than it is worth (especially because too much pain to get GPU working from raw kernel space). I think I'll be happy with the main process being my "game" (but in userland - as long as nothing is competing for system resources).
[8:17] <des2> 4 years ago you could find 1280x1024 LCD monitors for around $99 frequently.
[8:18] <des2> Now you get crappy 20" wide versions for about $90.
[8:18] <fragalot> Xark_: mm... maple it is then... and an rpi for random kludging
[8:18] <Xark_> des2: I did see a 1280x720 HDMI TV at best by for like $70. I remember thinking if I were a kid I'd be happy with that as a monitor (compared to what I endured as an actual kid...)
[8:19] <fragalot> Xark_: nothing wrong with the coax tv monitor setups!
[8:19] <fragalot> 8bit 256x256 ftw!
[8:19] <flea86> fragalot: lol
[8:20] <fragalot> or 512x256 4 colour if you feel fancy
[8:20] <fragalot> wasn't 8bit colour, it was 8 colours
[8:20] <fragalot> my bad
[8:20] <Xark_> fragalot: yeah, coax TV was the worst. I could barely read 24x24 character B&W text. :)
[8:21] <des2> I guess the theory is people will be hooking up the PI to their TVs that have RCA video input ?
[8:21] <Xark_> Or with the "RF adapter", I mean...
[8:21] <fragalot> Xark_: I hated having to find the right channel for it to work
[8:21] <des2> Yeah the RF adapter cause no TVs had video in.
[8:21] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, that probably will be fairly painful for text (at least without a lot of antialiasing and anti-flicker).
[8:21] <fragalot> I feel all nostalgic & feel like powering up my NES again & play kirby's adventure
[8:22] <fragalot> took me YEARS to complete that game
[8:22] <Xark_> fragalot: Save it for the Pi NES emulators. A perfect use for the composite output (authentic analog signal degradation). :-)
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[8:22] <des2> I have my Atari 2600 in a box.
[8:22] <fragalot> Xark_: but i still have a real nes hooked up >.>
[8:23] <Xark_> fragalot: That is cheating. :)
[8:23] <fragalot> looking at it right now... with the cartridge still in there. lol.
[8:23] <fragalot> I also have duck hunt.. why, I don't know, I don't have the nes gun. lol.
[8:23] * Xark_ tried his 5200 not to long ago...boy did it look horrible on a 40" HDTV. :)
[8:24] <fragalot> haha
[8:24] <fragalot> i've played the nes on a 32"
[8:24] <fragalot> it looked ... nostalgic
[8:24] <fragalot> in a strange way
[8:24] <Xark_> fragalot: Yeah, once you start playing you don't really notice that stuff (just like TV with fuzzy reception...)
[8:24] <des2> Xark was one of those fancy kids with a 5200.
[8:25] <Xark_> des2: Hey, my 2nd published game was on a 5200. :) Converted from 400/800 version with only a ROM burner for a development setup (I don't recommend that...)
[8:25] <des2> Cool Xarg.
[8:26] <des2> How many Roms did you go through before the final version ?
[8:26] <fragalot> rofl
[8:26] <Xark_> ~45 minutes to assemble, download (RS-232) to burner, burn two ROMs then put them in 5200 and see what happens when power is applied. :)
[8:26] <Xark_> des2: I recycled three sets in the UV tray as I recall.
[8:27] <des2> Ah EPROM
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[8:27] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, aka old-school flash. :)
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[8:27] <fragalot> Xark_: aahhhh the UV trays :D
[8:27] <fragalot> development is so much easier now
[8:27] <des2> Poor kids just left them out in the sun....
[8:27] <flea86> "<fragalot> it looked ... nostalgic" yeah, with postage-stamp-sized pixels i'd bet.. :P
[8:27] <fragalot> simply click the "erase & program" button and you're off
[8:27] <fragalot> flea86: :D
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[8:28] <fragalot> it's not too bad actually
[8:28] <fragalot> maybe pea sized
[8:28] <Xark_> The dev system was M/PM (multiuser C/PM) with Wordstar as the editor. Fun sharing a 4Mhz Z-80 with like 4 other devs (but we each had our own 48K of RAM).
[8:28] <fragalot> Xark_: plenty!
[8:29] <flea86> fragalot: yeah, tried 320x200 1/4 VGA once on the 42" plasma @ home, looked a little blocky up close...
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[8:29] <fragalot> I remember making my first VGA application with nothing more than an FPGA
[8:29] <fragalot> boy did that look terrible.
[8:29] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[8:29] <GabrialDestruir> I think I understand how to do this now xD
[8:30] <Xark_> fragalot: You mean like a graphics generation "circuit"?
[8:30] <fragalot> Xark_: yes
[8:30] <Xark_> fragalot: Cool.
[8:30] <flea86> fragalot: lol my first video application was via the scart connector:
[8:30] <flea86> http://www.oocities.org/vz300/vgc.htm
[8:30] <fragalot> Xark_: it was basically a robot controller to solve the towers of hanoi puzzle
[8:30] <fragalot> Xark_: and show a visual representation of what was going on
[8:31] <GabrialDestruir> Quick question, how can I store a list in a variable in VB?
[8:31] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: VB?
[8:31] <fragalot> people actually use that?
[8:31] <GabrialDestruir> Visual Basic
[8:31] <fragalot> :P
[8:31] <GabrialDestruir> Yes
[8:31] <GabrialDestruir> for school
[8:31] <flea86> fragalot: lol
[8:31] <fragalot> flea86: that looks awesome!
[8:31] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: you mean like an array?
[8:31] <Xark_> flea86: Wow, that looks very sweet. :)
[8:32] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm I'm not sure...
[8:32] <Xark_> flea86: That page looks familiar, I think I have seen it in my "surfings". :)
[8:32] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: http://patorjk.com/programming/tutorials/vbarrays.htm
[8:32] * Xark_ switched from hardware to software when he was like 12, because he had way more time than parts budget...
[8:33] <flea86> Thanks guys! If you all liked what I did back in 2004/5, then you may also like what I am doing currently.. :)
[8:33] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: an array is really one variable that contains a ... list, if you will, of whatever it is you put in there, be it numbers, strings, or whatever else.
[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> The function is that you're suppose to select a gender and a GPA and click calculate, then everytime you click calculate it's suppose to store the old info do calculations with that and new info to get an average...
[8:33] <fragalot> flea86: what are you doing now then?
[8:34] <des2> Nice video flea86. Did you ever get the 'beep' beepiing ?
[8:34] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: you could use an array for that
[8:34] <GabrialDestruir> and I'm thinking there needs to be a better way than dblGPA = calc1 + calc2 + calc3
[8:34] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[8:34] <flea86> fragalot: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/3810
[8:35] <flea86> des2: I did, but by then I had lost interest in slow processors :)
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[8:35] <Henchman21> whenever i feel the need to relive an old game i watch a tasvideo of it
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[8:36] <GabrialDestruir> Sighs... I guess I'm suppose to do this the "dumb way" we don't cover Arrays for three more chapters... lol
[8:36] <fragalot> flea86: looks great :D
[8:36] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: tbf, doing what you suggested might be a better option performance-wise
[8:36] <flea86> fragalot: thankyou! :D
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[8:37] <fragalot> total = previousTotal + currentData; numEntries += 1; average = total / numEntries;
[8:37] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: ^
[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> basically
[8:37] <Xark_> flea86: That looks very slick, but I am having a bit of trouble following the design. It is an 8-bit CPU that you have running an emulator emulating 8086 code?
[8:38] <Xark_> Or are the games re-written?
[8:38] <flea86> Xark: Correct, an i86 'virtual machine' running atop of a 150MIPS 8-bit cpu
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'll probably have to mess around with it until I get it right, so I'm not using a bunch of variables.
[8:38] <Xark_> flea86: Neat.
[8:39] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: you'll get it eventually :) programming is all about taking a step back every now & again
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[8:40] <flea86> Xark: The total emulator itself (including the BIOS function emulation) is 32K total..
[8:40] <flea86> lol
[8:40] <fragalot> just be glad you're not forced to use Xilinx ISE 9
[8:40] <fragalot> that beast was HORRIBLE.
[8:40] <fragalot> lol
[8:40] <fragalot> and completely unrelated ^_^
[8:40] <flea86> fragalot: I have, unfortunately.. :(
[8:40] <fragalot> flea86: condolences
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> Wait.... an average is suppose to be like 1 + 2 + 3 / 3
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> right?
[8:41] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: don't forget the brackets
[8:41] <fragalot> but yes
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[8:41] <GabrialDestruir> apparently calculator doesn't like 1+2+3/3=
[8:42] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: (1+2+3)/3
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> as opposed to 1+2+3=/3
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Yea xD
[8:42] <fragalot> =/ ? surely you mean /=
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[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> I meant (1+2+3)/3
[8:42] <fragalot> k
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> as opposed to 1+2+3/3
[8:43] <Aethaeryn> 1 2 3 + + 3 / =
[8:43] <Aethaeryn> That's a sane way of doing it.
[8:43] * fragalot pets Aethaeryn
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> completely different outcomes xD
[8:43] <Xark_> flea86: Very impressive project(s). I do remember working with the Tandy 1000 a bit (I think we made a special version of some games for it). Not quite PC compatible IIRC (but perhaps slightly improved graphics or something...).
[8:43] <des2> Apparently Aethaeryn is Polish
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[8:43] <Aethaeryn> I just like stacks.
[8:44] <des2> I like stacked things too
[8:44] <Aethaeryn> It's much more fun to code up a "1 2 3 + + 3 / =" calculator than a "(1 + 2 + 3)/3" one thanks to no parens, stacked based computations, and no ambiguity
[8:45] <des2> Yes RPN is much easier to implement.
[8:45] <Aethaeryn> And you can't tell from here, but that's actually hexadecimal I'm using for the numbers ;-)
[8:45] <des2> Funny looked loke Octal to me.
[8:45] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: :O
[8:46] <fragalot> I feel like slapping thou for not using 0x :P
[8:46] <fragalot> because ambiguity--
[8:46] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: It was a joke on ambiguity.
[8:46] <flea86> Xark: Thanks! Yes the Tandy 1000 was pretty much the first *successful* PC-compatible with graphics/sound extensions etc that later became a standard
[8:46] <fragalot> still. :D
[8:46] <Aethaeryn> I said that it removes ambiguity, and then I made a comment that added it
[8:46] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: http://files.sharenator.com/276172_Papel_de_Parede_Meme_I_See_What_You_Did_There_1280x1024_Breiviks_private_swim_school-s1280x1024-283276-580.jpg
[8:47] <des2> Amazing that Radio Shack actually for a brief period of time actually made something good computer-related.
[8:47] <Xark_> flea86: Just as a sanity check (to see if I am remembering the 1000), did it have a bit of EEPROM for the BIOS (or was that another beige Tandy PC-ish machine)?
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[8:48] <Aethaeryn> The only problem with using RPN is that I have to think really hard about it, not because it's hard but because Lisp is backwards.
[8:48] <flea86> Xark: I think some of the later models had built-in eeprom, though some early models even had MS-DOS in ROM too!
[8:48] <GabrialDestruir> Hm.... seems I can't save the last average and add a new number to it.
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[8:48] <Xark_> flea86: yeah, that rings a bell. So it booted to a prompt really quick.
[8:49] <flea86> Xark: Correct
[8:49] <flea86> :)
[8:49] <Aethaeryn> what's the blue thing in http://elinux.org/images/9/96/RpiFront.jpg ?
[8:49] <Aethaeryn> In the upper right
[8:50] <flea86> Audio out?
[8:50] <Aethaeryn> ah
[8:50] <Aethaeryn> right
[8:50] <des2> Gabrial I think maybe you need a low cost computer that you could use to learn programming on.
[8:50] <Aethaeryn> Wow, that image really makes it look larger than it is
[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> Indeedy!
[8:50] <des2> Yes the blue is audio.
[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like my Pi might be used for educational purposes after all!
[8:51] <Aethaeryn> so... cable, audio, ethernet, hdmi, USB, and microusb in that order clockwise?
[8:51] <des2> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/102-42993-11-67171/RasPI+%282%29.jpg
[8:51] <des2> See that diagram Aethaeryn
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[8:52] <Aethaeryn> aww, I got ethernet and USB mixed up
[8:52] <Aethaeryn> Makes sense that the USB would be tall because it's stacked
[8:53] <des2> S'ok they won't fit in the wrong hole.
[8:53] <Aethaeryn> des2: the diagram is wrong
[8:53] <Aethaeryn> des2: The A has 256 MB RAM, and there's nothing on the diagram indicating one extra USB for B
[8:54] <Aethaeryn> Not like I've already memorized specs for something I've merely "expressed interest" in... <_<
[8:54] <des2> Yeah even the foundation still has incorrect info on their website
[8:54] <des2> Still showing the A with 128MB
[8:54] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, somebody mentioned it to Liz on the forums so I am sure they will get to it...
[8:55] <Aethaeryn> I guess if I built a robot out of this I'd want the A since I wouldn't need the ethernet port :-P
[8:56] <Aethaeryn> It's dangerous to make them only $25... you could build a robot army out of them... on a budget.
[8:56] <fragalot> apparently a friend of mine got an email from farnell
[8:56] <fragalot> charging ??49 for his rpi
[8:57] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: There is very little advantage to the B now unless you need ethernet or an unpowered hub. Very cool move on their part (I was was planning to blow off A board for "memory lack").
[8:57] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Well, ethernet is still useful if it's going to be on your desk or something... wifi sucks when it's not "mobile"
[8:57] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Now all the robots will be twice as smart. :)
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I have to do..... AvgGPA= GPATotal + lstGPA.Selected / (GPAEntries + 1) or something .-.
[8:58] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Exactly. As long as no one preorders a large army of clones, galatic domination will be possible with #raspberrypi
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> That should work
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[8:58] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yeah. But USB ethernet is nice if you only need it occasionally (but I don't imagine the A board will be significantly smaller - but perhaps a bit lower profile).
[8:59] <GabrialDestruir> AvgGPA= (GPATotal + lstGPA.Selected) / (GPAEntries + 1)
[8:59] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: idk, for an embedded device, you'll probably need it never or always. So it's good they made ethernet an option.
[8:59] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: They still list the B as using 200 more ma current (but I imagine most of that was RAM, not ethernet/hub).
[9:00] <fragalot> a whole 200mA?
[9:00] <fragalot> O.O
[9:00] <Xark_> fragalot: According to the FAQ.
[9:00] <Aethaeryn> Double RAM
[9:00] <Aethaeryn> It's unfortunate that it's not 512 RAM
[9:00] <Aethaeryn> and 1 GHz
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm
[9:00] <Aethaeryn> It's a bit... 2009 or so.
[9:00] <Aethaeryn> That's probably why it's so cheap, of course
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> 700mA vs 500mA because of Additional USB from my understanding.
[9:01] <Aethaeryn> GabrialDestruir: Does USB constantly drain power even when not plugged into anything?
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> Otherwise with the Model A increase to 256 then both models should have the same usage.
[9:01] <fragalot> 700mA - and it's powered by the usb jack
[9:01] <fragalot> surely that breaks a standard or 2
[9:02] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: the controller & the mode resistors do
[9:02] <fragalot> but that's neglible
[9:02] <Aethaeryn> Well, yeah.
[9:02] <Xark_> fragalot: Hmm, actually that is from the Wiki, not the FAQ (but still).
[9:03] <Aethaeryn> Negligible might as well be rounded to 0
[9:03] <Aethaeryn> Like, e.g. my odds of winning the lottery
[9:03] <des2> Good point so the A now should be using more power.
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[9:03] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: in the embedded world, power consumption is never 0 :P
[9:03] <fragalot> every ??A counts!
[9:04] <fragalot> well, when it comes to battery powered devices anywy >.> which this is not
[9:04] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: Well, depends on scale, I mean. Negligible that's .001 when everything else is XX.0 is negligible
[9:04] <des2> Some microcontrollers can run off 2 nails stuck into a lemon.
[9:04] <fragalot> des2: :D
[9:04] <flea86> fragalot: Does the raspi have a power-saver mode?
[9:04] <fragalot> I totally haven't done that before
[9:04] <Aethaeryn> flea86: Isn't that the OS?
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[9:05] <flea86> Aethaeryn: No I was referring to the broadcom processor
[9:05] <fragalot> flea86: sorta
[9:05] <fragalot> yuo can disable each DMA to save power ... that's about it
[9:05] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxGZIiyyxrM
[9:06] <des2> If anyone doesn't know TI has the 430 evaluation kit for $4.30
[9:06] <des2> Might want to add one to your PI order.
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[9:06] <flea86> des2: MSP430?
[9:06] <Aethaeryn> hmm, so I would just need a GPS, an accelerometer, a touchscreen, a cell radio, wifi...
[9:06] <Xark_> flea86: Not sure how much is hooked up, but there are a bunch of "power EN" bits for lots of things in the SoC document.
[9:06] <des2> Yes flea
[9:07] <Aethaeryn> I'll be able to build my own tablet like I built my own desktop!
[9:07] <flea86> Xark: Thought so, thanks!
[9:07] <flea86> des2: Cool, i've used the '430 before.. nice chippy that
[9:07] <des2> http://www.newark.com/texas-instruments/msp-exp430g2/msp430-launchpad-value-line-development/dp/77R3863
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[9:08] <des2> There's a big support community @ http://www.43oh.com/
[9:09] <Xark_> des2: Wow, that is pretty neat. I'l be sure to remember that if I need an iGrapes. :)
[9:09] <des2> ZER10 coupon still works for 10% off RPi at Newark btw
[9:10] <Aethaeryn> Hmm, actually, I know what I can use a #raspberrypi for. I could build a graphing calculator out of it and *save money* while having many, many more features.
[9:10] <fragalot> des2: assuming that orders actually... y'know.. work?
[9:10] <flea86> des2: wow! nice support link.. didn't have that back in 2006 I'm sure.. :P
[9:10] <Aethaeryn> Perhaps I should work on instructions, a case, an OS, etc., to make a calculator out of a Model A
[9:10] <des2> fragalot yes someone from here ordered using the coupon yesterday
[9:10] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: yes... the peripherals you'll need totally won't cost more than a ready built calculator. :P
[9:11] <fragalot> des2: friend of mine just got an email from farnell.. apparently they are trying to charge him ??49 for one
[9:11] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: case, battery, screen, and some input
[9:11] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: screens are 'xpensive
[9:11] <Aethaeryn> A TI-83 is $140
[9:11] <Aethaeryn> And it does BASIC on a low-res colorless screen
[9:12] <Aethaeryn> You forget what a non-competitive market does
[9:12] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yes, those are a total rip. Seems the newer ones keep getting worse too...
[9:12] <des2> No fragalog. Surplus low tiny nokia B&W lcd replacements are only $5.
[9:13] <Aethaeryn> I'm talking about using a raspberry pi to make a super graphing calculator that kids could build and take to their classes (at least their college classes, before that they tend to limit you to just one calculator, hence the monopoly of TI)
[9:13] <Aethaeryn> And then use a modern, capable OS/language/etc.
[9:13] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Great idea with some slick software and a nice bit addressable screen.
[9:14] <Aethaeryn> I mean, I just use an HP-48 emulator (Droid48) on my phone when I need a calculator in RL, but apparently phones aren't really liked in classrooms for tests :-P
[9:14] <des2> lol
[9:15] <fragalot> des2: I keep forgetting about those
[9:15] <fragalot> :P
[9:15] <flea86> Aethaeryn: I can more likely see raspi being used to develop lego mindstorms projects (which is in many respects similar to labview)
[9:15] <Aethaeryn> So all you would need is a budget of $100-200, for case, battery, screen, raspberry pi, etc.
[9:15] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: sadly, lots of schools won't allow the rpi to be used as a calcualtor becaue it can do "too much"
[9:15] <Aethaeryn> flea86: At $25, it's not a "only do this"
[9:16] <fragalot> I wasn't allowed even the TI-8x
[9:16] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: Maybe not high schools, but as long as it's a hobbyist thing, I don't think a prof in a lecture hall will notice
[9:16] <Aethaeryn> I mean, it might not be too ethical, but it's not strictly forbidden, and it *is* a calculator
[9:16] <Aethaeryn> Of the same price and style of a TI that's allowed
[9:16] <Aethaeryn> Just more capable
[9:17] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: of course, you can technically limit the software to cripple it to basic calculator level too :-P
[9:17] <Aethaeryn> Just swap the SD card
[9:17] <flea86> Aethaeryn: a z80 was all that was needed to make a graphical calculator, here you've got a 700MHz 32-bit processor with a floating point unit attached, you could model fluid systems with it :P
[9:17] <Xark_> flea86: So it can do 3D spinning graphs. :)
[9:18] <Aethaeryn> flea86: Yes, it would be an amazing overkill for calculators, even if it's underpowered for many tasks. You could even plug it into a projector or TV and share your models.
[9:18] <Aethaeryn> Tbh, I just want the nerdiest calculator around (since I'm typically the only math major in a room fool of comp sci people or engineers when I'm on campus) so...
[9:18] <fragalot> haha
[9:18] <Aethaeryn> I'm going to meet their expectations anyway
[9:18] <Xark_> It would be nice to be able to "screen record" on a calculator, print screens etc. So the power doesn't need to be fully wasted.
[9:19] <fragalot> and play multiplayer games
[9:19] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Remote Calculator apps (collaborative calculating?)
[9:19] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: What I'd like to see is a standard process for turning a raspberry pi into a calculator, complete with a desktop environment.
[9:19] <fragalot> I mean collaborative calculations
[9:19] <fragalot> >.>
[9:19] <fragalot> damn Xark_ beat me to it
[9:19] <Aethaeryn> We just need a battery, a screen, a case, and a software interface
[9:20] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It think it sounds like a really neat idea. No doubt it could be other things with a SD swap too (with the screen and case making it portable).
[9:20] <Aethaeryn> I mean, it's not quite as powerful as a smartphone (well, more on par with 2009 without all the extra stuff like a GPS), but for a calculator it would be perfect.
[9:20] <Ben64> why calculator
[9:21] <Aethaeryn> And actually, smartphones don't have a good calculator experience at all.
[9:21] <fragalot> Xark_: you don'tnessesarilly have to swap the sd card - simply run a different app on it
[9:21] <Ben64> calculators are much better calculators
[9:21] <fragalot> Ben64: wrong way to think - "why not" is better
[9:21] <Aethaeryn> Smartphones can emulate a calculator, they can run apps like Wolfram alpha, etc., but they're not that good at calculator replacement.
[9:21] <fragalot> if everyone started thinking in terms of "why", we'd be nowhere
[9:21] <des2> Maybe he wants to compute not calculate
[9:21] <Ben64> because its $25, requires a lot of additions to be a calculator
[9:21] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Calculators are... last century, tbh.
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[9:22] <Aethaeryn> For less than a price of a TI graphing calculator (e.g. $100-$140), you could completely pwn it
[9:22] <fragalot> school here has decided everyone needs an ipad
[9:22] <Ben64> my phone is better than a ti-89
[9:22] <des2> Don't beat on the guy because he wants to use his PI for something other than as a media center...
[9:22] <fragalot> which is a bit silly, but I can see what they're trying to do
[9:22] <flea86> Aethaeryn: Well those 'obselete' calculators got us to the moon didn't they? :P
[9:22] <Xark_> Ben64: Well, basically think of it as a screen+case+power to make the Pi portable. Then calculator can be one (killer) app, but you could do other things (ala chunky iPod "touch" etc.)
[9:22] <Aethaeryn> A tablet or a smartphone, they just don't do calculating "experience" right, they're media consumption devices.
[9:22] <Ben64> Xark_: that makes more sense
[9:22] <Ben64> although i'm still waiting on definite screen hookup info
[9:22] <fragalot> Xark_: touchscreens are expensive though
[9:22] <fragalot> :P
[9:23] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: The calculator would just be the "experience" to aim for, since it's geeky/hobbyist
[9:23] * Xark_ wants a Tricorder (too bad the nice Android one was squashed for ST bleeps).
[9:23] <Ben64> not really, could get a iphone4 touchscreen for ~$30
[9:23] <Aethaeryn> just like phones are about media/browsing/calls
[9:23] <fragalot> Ben64: shift registers & the spi output
[9:23] <fragalot> go go go :D
[9:23] <Ben64> Xark_: what? i still have tricorder
[9:23] <des2> Nah surplus touchscreen overlays on ebay are like $5
[9:23] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Just because a company with economics of scale can make a better mass-market consumer-oriented device, doesn't mean an awesome computer-calculator couldn't be made.
[9:24] <Xark_> Ben64: It got booted from the store and google code because Paramount complained about them stealing the Star Trek sounds and LCARS look.
[9:24] <Aethaeryn> You just need (1) a touchscreen, (2) a battery, (3) a case. Really, that's all.
[9:24] <Ben64> Xark_: : /
[9:24] <Xark_> Ben64: Guard your copy well. :)
[9:24] <Ben64> i shall then
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[9:24] * Xark_ downloaded the source...
[9:24] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: I still have the tricorder on my phone.
[9:24] * Aethaeryn pulls it out
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[9:25] <des2> Yes but do you have a Phaser Phone ?
[9:25] <Aethaeryn> Actually, I found a toy phaser in storage from when I was a kid. Looks just like the one on the set, actually.
[9:25] <Ben64> tricorder was the first app i downloaded
[9:25] <Aethaeryn> So once I was watching TNG with a phaser in one hand and a tricorder-running smartphone in the other.
[9:25] <GabrialDestruir> Gah
[9:25] <Aethaeryn> I just needed the Starfleet uniform ;-)
[9:25] <GabrialDestruir> Gonna kill this program .-.
[9:26] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It is a great little app. I have actually usefully used the spectrum analysier and the real-time XYZ speed. :)
[9:26] <Xark_> ^found useful...
[9:26] <Aethaeryn> Yes, I use it as a wifi scanner.
[9:27] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs .-.
[9:27] <GabrialDestruir> Duh >.<
[9:27] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: is the source in the wild or did you download it before it got taken down from somewhere?
[9:27] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It is especially useful for a few key ST sounds before you use AVA to say "What is the mass of Jupiter" and have the answer pop up. Hopefully Google's new Majel project will have the Majel's voice too (computer from ST). :)
[9:27] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: I'd really like to be able to take it with me when I get another phone... just a bit of civil disobedience.
[9:28] <Ben64> Xark_: AVA?
[9:28] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Do it. Just use a backup app to make sure you have the apk.
[9:28] <Ben64> Aethaeryn: copy the apk over
[9:28] <Aethaeryn> Technically, the license allows free redistribution, it's just the name and possibly the sound that got them in trouble.
[9:29] <Aethaeryn> So honestly, go ahead and sue me. :-P
[9:29] <Ben64> apparently the name is fine, the sound and design was the problem
[9:29] <Aethaeryn> I have LRonHubbard registered on Freenode, that's how much I think of lawyers
[9:29] <Xark_> Ben64: Andoid Voice Actions (you know, hold the search button)
[9:29] <Ben64> oh
[9:29] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: the design, although they claim it and can probably intimidate a company to take it down, can't be a problem
[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> Aha!
[9:29] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Apple sued Microsoft for look and feel copying in GUI, and then lost
[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> Got it
[9:29] <Ben64> i have iris and the other voice thing
[9:30] <Ben64> i hope google gets majel up soon
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir> I found Iris to be completely useless...
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[9:30] <Ben64> i know they'd do a good job on it
[9:30] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: The author will be fine no, doubt. Just don't redistribute (and let Paramont get a scent).
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[9:30] <des2> Any day Apple loses in court is a good day.
[9:30] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: My point is, often you can "lose" by taking it down even though you'd win an expensive trial if it went to court.
[9:30] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: The app was originally open source (I downloaded it from Google Code when it was available).
[9:30] <Aethaeryn> Often, intellectual property lawyers just intimidate you
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[9:31] <steve_rox> wtf is it with apple , its eather sue the fuck outter someone or get the rival product banned then sue them
[9:31] <Aethaeryn> In this case (1) they can't have a claim over the name, (2) they can't have a claim over the UI
[9:31] <Aethaeryn> They basically just threatened a lawsuit and that was good enough
[9:31] <Ben64> apple is a bunch of wankers
[9:31] <steve_rox> legal system manipulators
[9:32] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I hear you. Here is the authors story: http://code.google.com/p/moonblink/wiki/Tricorder
[9:32] <Ben64> i wish people would stop heralding apple as the greatest computers/phones/mp3 players
[9:32] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Marketing.
[9:32] <steve_rox> wonder if they try destroying the PI
[9:32] <des2> Nah that's be Microsoft
[9:32] <des2> Cause it runs Linux
[9:32] <Aethaeryn> People are easily manipulated by marketing and branding, but they don't want to think of themselves that way, so they pretend Apple is special.
[9:32] <flea86> steve_rox: Doubt it..
[9:33] <des2> More likely they'll find a way to get Windows 8 to run on it and give it to schools for free
[9:33] <Ben64> the iphone is the worst smartphone i've ever used
[9:33] <Ben64> i don't know why people enjoy it
[9:33] <steve_rox> apple love targeting everything that moves
[9:33] <Aethaeryn> Tbh, though, Mac OS X is built off of BSD, so it's actually kind of solid and I know a lot of geeks (and most comp sci professors at my university, too) that have a Mac laptop.
[9:33] <Xark_> des2: And there is somewhat of a precedence with OLPC. Thankfully RP can't run Win8 or you know there would be a "learning edition" crammed into it or something to get the kids young. :)
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[9:33] <Aethaeryn> Even the president of my university's LUG has a Mac laptop <_<
[9:33] <Ben64> Aethaeryn: sure, the software is fine, but the hardware is insanely expensive
[9:33] <Aethaeryn> The phones are different, though.
[9:34] <Ben64> $x000 for a macbook pro
[9:34] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Yeah, but a lot of laptops in the... say 2007-2009 (2010 maybe?) era were really, really poorly built
[9:34] <Aethaeryn> Race to the lowest profit margin
[9:34] <Ben64> like 2-3x as much as a comparable "PC"
[9:34] <flea86> Xark: If the takeup of raspi is huge enough, microsoft will come calling with their win8 os crap..
[9:34] <DDave> win8 _is_ crap
[9:35] <Aethaeryn> Now everyone is immitating Apple and you can get a nice PC for less, probably (though oddly enough, Apple's now not caring as much about a fat profit margin and so is getting cheaper)
[9:35] <Ben64> i don't think win8 will run with 256MB ram
[9:35] <Aethaeryn> Apple-copying is so miserable I decided to build my own desktop in 2010
[9:35] <Ben64> plus what'd be the point, can't run all your x86 apps on it
[9:35] <fragalot> Ben64: it's ok, the memory intensive start button is gone
[9:35] <ksx4system> naaaah, gtfo with this useless os from m$...
[9:35] <flea86> lol
[9:35] <Aethaeryn> Win XP Arm Raspberry Pi Edition
[9:36] <Aethaeryn> It'll happen if #raspberrypi ever became a new phenomenon
[9:36] <skilz> YUCK
[9:36] <des2> Well fragalot not being able to start programs results in less memory usage.
[9:36] <skilz> Aethaeryn, Don't even go there!
[9:36] * Xark_ considers the MacBook Pro he is typing on cost something like ~85 Raspberry Pi...not a bargin but it is pretty nice to use compared to most crappy notebooks. :)
[9:36] * ksx4system fucking pukes
[9:36] <flea86> Aethaeryn: That's loony enough to actually happen!
[9:36] <PiKeY> just phoned rs as still no email from them, Lady on call said they had over 50k register interest on Wednesday and she had an internal memo this morning that should all recieve emails within 7 days
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> Ah crap....
[9:36] <Aethaeryn> flea86: Except the name would be more like Windows XP Arm Starters Special Mobile Embedded Pi Edition for Businesses
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> My averages calculator is rounding -.-
[9:37] <des2> So I guess Farnell gor 50,000 and RS got 50,000...
[9:37] <PiKeY> shame there only 10k in 1st batch
[9:37] <Xark_> flea86: The foundation already mentioned they were talking with MS. I sure hope the "C" model doesn't get a "lockdown" cuz the kiddies need Win8...
[9:37] <flea86> Aethaeryn: lol imagine M$ cramming all that on their bootable SD card lol
[9:37] <flea86> (title description)
[9:38] <PiKeY> she also confirmed they still have no stock in hand
[9:38] <des2> Remember how microsoft is killing Linux by giving away windows in 3rd world countries.
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[9:39] <Aethaeryn> And like Microsoft will be a major company in 20 years?
[9:39] <GabrialDestruir> Model C?
[9:39] <des2> Stock should arrive sometime this week.
[9:39] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sure it won't be Model C
[9:39] <des2> Model MS
[9:39] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Hypothetical. :)
[9:39] <Aethaeryn> Microsoft's smartphone share has dropped to about 5% or less even *with* WinPhone7 and Nokia
[9:39] <GabrialDestruir> Exactly, des2
[9:39] <flea86> Aethaeryn: If they can adapt to the changing tech, I don't see why not
[9:40] <Aethaeryn> And Microsoft has failed to do any "Tablet PC" things for 10 years now
[9:40] <Aethaeryn> They've tried, and failed miserably
[9:40] <Aethaeryn> Microsoft can do Windows, Office, and Xbox.
[9:40] <des2> They'll just but someone that makes a successful one
[9:40] <Aethaeryn> They're not very good at diversifying
[9:40] <des2> buy
[9:40] <flea86> Aethaeryn: That's probably because intel let them down in the low-power processor/chipset stakes
[9:40] <Aethaeryn> des2: Odds are that Facebook would buy them first.
[9:41] <des2> I guess you didn't but a Zune Aethaeryn
[9:41] <flea86> *also rather
[9:41] <Aethaeryn> des2: And a startup of twentysomethings would probably rather work for Facebook than M$
[9:41] <Aethaeryn> des2: No one got a Zune
[9:41] <Xark_> flea86: Well the are between that and their bloated software environments too.
[9:41] <flea86> Xark: agreed
[9:42] <des2> Maybe Google can take Microsoft down
[9:42] <flea86> Aethaeryn: What's a zune again? :)
[9:42] <Aethaeryn> If you're going to hate an Evil Empire, the next decade's one will probably be Apple or Facebook. Whichever one can lock in more people.
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[9:42] <Aethaeryn> When you're at the cutthroat monopolizing level, there really *can* be only one.
[9:42] <des2> Apple is much easier to avoid than Microsoft.
[9:42] <Aethaeryn> And Microsoft's too slow on this paradigm.
[9:42] <Aethaeryn> des2: Unless you want a tablet?
[9:42] <Aethaeryn> I'm *still* waiting for an Android one worth buying.
[9:42] <Xark_> flea86: ARM gives MS a much needed "excuse" to clean house (the downside of x64 being backwards compatible - that continual dirty software residue buildup).
[9:43] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: But M$ has been following Google and Apple lately.
[9:43] <flea86> Xark: They should've *killed* the backward compatibility feature of x64, relying purely on virtualization for anything x86 related
[9:43] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I agree.
[9:44] <Aethaeryn> Unless they get lucky (they already got lucky once with IBM), they're going to be about as significant as IBM
[9:44] <des2> It's not like WIndows 7 still needs Dos to boot.
[9:44] <Aethaeryn> Sure, they'll do a few things (e.g. Watson) but nothing dominating and will not be the Evil Empire people love to hate on.
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[9:44] <Xark_> flea86: My guess is eventually they will be Metro only then they can jettison that stuff (and lock themselves into ~30% of all software sales too boot).
[9:44] <des2> Android to mee seems to be the main threat to Microsoft.
[9:45] <Xark_> des2: And Apple really.
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[9:45] <flea86> Xark: It's interesting that intel also retained a dev/mfg license for ARM cores, I wonder what they'll end up doing with it.. :)
[9:46] <Ben64> yeah, android market share rocks
[9:46] <rvalles> phew, the website is back
[9:46] * Xark_ really admires Android with its (usually present) "install apps from outside sources" checkbox.
[9:46] <rvalles> rs still not selling them.
[9:46] * rvalles waiting to have an alternative to farnell.
[9:46] <flea86> rvalles: digikey?
[9:46] <des2> RS will be selling during the coming week.
[9:47] <rvalles> flea86: digikey are selling them?
[9:47] <des2> no
[9:47] <flea86> not that I'm aware..
[9:47] <des2> Newark and Allied in the US
[9:47] <des2> Both 2nd batch
[9:47] <des2> rvalles what country are you in ?
[9:48] <Xark_> On the forums there is some word that the "batch size" will go up substantially (> 10K)
[9:48] <des2> With interest close to 100,000 apparently I should hope so.
[9:49] <Xark_> flea86: Does Intel really still have that? I thought StrongARM (legacy from DEC, IIRC) was long gone...
[9:49] <Aethaeryn> So are they going to sell 1,000,000?
[9:49] <des2> I think they'll see 100,000
[9:49] <Aethaeryn> If they approach 1,000,000 in 2012, there will be immitators
[9:49] <des2> Once people get them we'll see how much further interest there is.
[9:49] <Aethaeryn> It'll be glorious
[9:49] <flea86> Xark: It still does, yes
[9:50] <Aethaeryn> The problem is, I can't really do my calculator idea
[9:50] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: There was some "code words" in the forum that made it seem like > 100,000
[9:50] <Aethaeryn> Ethernet and 2 USB is overkill :-P
[9:50] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Yes, but not everyone wants to "express interest"
[9:50] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: but TI has the TI link!
[9:50] <Aethaeryn> There could be a second batch as big as the first, too.
[9:50] <rvalles> des2: spain
[9:50] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: I don't think I'll be able to compete with TI's MirageOS and all the games that came with it
[9:50] <fragalot> I mean, you COULD link them via spi
[9:50] <fragalot> but ...
[9:51] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, yes that stat is worthless. I expressed interest like a half dozen times in various countries before I found a "real" preorder link. :)
[9:51] <fragalot> Xark_: you found a preorder link?
[9:51] <fragalot> :O
[9:51] <rvalles> des2: farnell -> preorder -> spain -> "minimum 30??? purchase before taxes and shipping" (can't order just one B model) -> shipping 48h urgent 9??? as the only option.
[9:51] <fragalot> WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS SOURCERY
[9:51] <rvalles> des2: that's the situation for spain.
[9:51] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: And I'm sure that plenty of people don't want to be spammed
[9:51] <flea86> Xark: Don't know about the whole strongARM/xscale saga, but intel really had their 'dance with the devil' by promoting a chip that would ultimately become their greatest rival...
[9:51] <Aethaeryn> in their email
[9:51] <des2> That's to bad rvalles.
[9:52] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: Ah, so just need to wait then
[9:52] <fragalot> j
[9:52] <fragalot> k
[9:52] <rvalles> des2: yup. That's why I'm waiting to see rs available.
[9:52] <rvalles> des2: and see what's the deal with them.
[9:52] <fragalot> I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER *browses ebay for a $2000 snipe*
[9:52] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Sure. I am just saying when people asked about how many sold, there was something like 10 times as many as they made (as I read the comment). Take that for what is is (total rumor and guesswork). :)
[9:52] <rvalles> des2: it'd take great effort to be worse than farnell.
[9:52] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: Watch out, I bet it's actually a pie
[9:52] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: hahaha
[9:52] <Aethaeryn> The cheap knockoff
[9:53] <fragalot> that'd be genius
[9:53] <flea86> Aethaeryn: lol
[9:53] <des2> Soon Xarg is gonna get a phone call in Lithuanian
[9:53] <Aethaeryn> "sorry ebay authorities, I left out an e by accident"
[9:53] <rvalles> I'll be happy when they sell them at dx.com
[9:53] <rvalles> :D
[9:53] <Aethaeryn> "I am bad at th keyboar"
[9:53] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: it's ok. ebay will refund me my money if I show proof that i've destroyed the item without even considering sending it back instead.
[9:53] <flea86> Aethaeryn: with melamine-filled-plastic raspberries on top...
[9:53] <flea86> lol
[9:53] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: You have to keep in mind that limiting one per person is artificial
[9:54] <Aethaeryn> At this price, it's conceivable that some parties want 10+, either because of a class or a friend or some really interesting project (like a time machine)
[9:54] <des2> Part of the reason for the buying frenzy is the preceived shortage.
[9:55] <Aethaeryn> Yes, but I think there'd be more multi-pi purchasers than hoarders
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[9:55] <Aethaeryn> I mean, at this price, I'm sure some people will literally break theirs doing risky things and not care
[9:55] <des2> We'll have to see what happens when the A model is orderable
[9:55] <Aethaeryn> "Haha, my calculator has an ethernet port and yours doesn't"
[9:56] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Sure. They mentioned that bulk orders will be permitted as soon as the backlog of orders is cleared out (few months probably...).
[9:56] <fragalot> i'd probably look into home automation using rpi's
[9:56] <flea86> lol they shouldn't have bothered with the Model A imho
[9:56] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: exactly... there will be a few bulk orders, I'm sure you could easily get to half a million
[9:57] <Aethaeryn> flea86: well, ethernet yes/no is kind of a big distinction
[9:57] <Aethaeryn> As I said probably an hour ago, in the embedded space, you're probably going to have either always wired or never
[9:57] <flea86> Aethaeryn: for something with *that* much power on-tap, it gotta have an ethernet port
[9:58] <flea86> (my opinion)
[9:58] <Aethaeryn> flea86: Yes, I concur.
[9:58] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: They have an amazing success I think. The #3 twitter story and #1 BBC news article for the day (the server crash made for great headlines at least). The foundation has been doing a good job "dribbling" just enough info to maintain interest while people waited (to build into a "frenzy").
[9:58] <des2> Some people just don't want to wire their house
[9:58] <Aethaeryn> flea86: I love ethernet. I plug in my laptop when I'm at home just because it's so much faster.
[9:58] <des2> and want wireless devices everwhere
[9:58] <Aethaeryn> Some peoplpe prefer the no wires over raw speed though
[9:58] <Aethaeryn> And if I'm making a robot or a helicopter, I don't need ethernet
[9:59] <Aethaeryn> Imagine a plugged in helicopter!
[9:59] <fragalot> i've got ethernet ports built into the wall everywhere... I only use 'm for my desktop sthough
[9:59] <fragalot> and digital tv tuners
[9:59] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Haha, make a great "FAIL" poster. :)
[9:59] <fragalot> rest is wifi-n
[9:59] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: I just run wires up along the edge of the wall
[9:59] <Aethaeryn> I don't care about appearances of my set up... that's for Apple lovers ;-)
[9:59] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: I went the extra length & fished for hours trying to find the cable I shoved trough the tiny hole int he wall
[9:59] <fragalot> :D
[10:00] <flea86> Aethaeryn: Me too! I built an ISA bridgeboard for my homebrew PC just so that I could get it on the 'net :)
[10:00] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yeah and if you have multiple computers within your house and transfer files, WiFi is still "too slow" (vs gigE). :)
[10:00] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: I transfer files all the time with sftp
[10:00] <fragalot> flea86: Well done :D
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[10:00] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Yes, on a home wired LAN
[10:01] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yeah, and gigE is still too slow. :)
[10:01] * Xark_ wants wireless SATA. :)
[10:01] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Well, just get the latest generation WiMAX in, say, a few years or so?
[10:01] <Aethaeryn> Mobile broadband is making major progress
[10:01] <Aethaeryn> "This is my home LAN, it uses WiMAX"
[10:02] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I am patiently waiting. That along with a LoC in a sugar cube... :)
[10:02] <flea86> fragalot: ISA-based network demo http://youtu.be/UUgE5SxgVqI
[10:03] <des2> And I want optical ethernet cables already.
[10:04] <des2> Man flea is something.
[10:05] <Aethaeryn> Well, you know I wonder if someone will start a startup based on a cool #raspberrypi prototype because of how cheap hardware is getting. Who knows what cool gadget everyone will want?
[10:05] <fragalot> someone aught to mount it to a cat
[10:06] <fragalot> 5 of them
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> What's the word to explain filling up a list box with code? .-.
[10:06] <flea86> fragalot: 5?
[10:06] <fragalot> so you get a custom rpi cat5
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> er well with data using code
[10:06] * flea86 groans
[10:06] <Xark_> flea86: Cool (again). I especially like the Xircom parallel port ethernet. :)
[10:06] <fragalot> flea86: >.>
[10:06] <fragalot> flea86: <.<
[10:06] <fragalot> flea86: ^_^
[10:06] <flea86> lol
[10:07] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: inserting, printing, echoing,... uhm..;
[10:07] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Initialize?
[10:07] <fragalot> oh list box
[10:07] <fragalot> >.<
[10:07] <flea86> Xark: Thanks (again), those xircom PE3 adapters will work on almost anything :3
[10:07] <des2> When I look at flae's projects I think it's 1990 again.
[10:07] <fragalot> thingy... I know this.
[10:07] <fragalot> populating
[10:07] <flea86> des2: lol
[10:07] <GabrialDestruir> YES
[10:08] <des2> Parallel port ethernet!
[10:08] <GabrialDestruir> That's the word I was think of thank you!
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[10:09] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: you now owe me your first rpi
[10:09] <fragalot> :P
[10:09] <Aethaeryn> flea86: cool
[10:10] <Xark_> flea86: I knew the inventor/founder of Xircom (not well, he was a co-worker of a friend). His company laid him off and he did very well with Xircom (sold to 3Com eventually IIRC).
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> Though luck!
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> It'd probably take longer to receive and ship mine out then it would to just buy your own :p
[10:10] <fragalot> :F
[10:10] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: So why did he wait until he got laid off?
[10:10] <flea86> Xark: Interesting
[10:11] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, he knew the company was tanking so really he was developing the idea with their development gear at night. :)
[10:11] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Then when they let him go he was ready (and he went to MBA school at night before this...)
[10:11] <Aethaeryn> ah
[10:12] <flea86> Xark: Heh! that story sounds awfully familiar.. :)
[10:12] <Aethaeryn> Makes sense.
[10:12] <flea86> Xark: Happens quite a bit in electronics circles..
[10:12] <Xark_> flea86: Yep.
[10:13] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know... I always find it weird when For dblGPA As Double = 1 To 4.0 Step 0.1 results in 1-3.9 but For dblGPA As Double = 1 To 4.1 Step 0.1 results in 1-4
[10:13] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[10:14] <flea86> oops, dinnertime :)
[10:14] <fragalot> I should probably get out of bed
[10:14] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Computers can't really represent .1 in binary you know, right. It is like 1/3 in decimal. :)
[10:15] <fragalot> that reminds me
[10:15] <fragalot> need to rehone my razor
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[10:15] <des2> Are we doing Gabrial's homework for him ?
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[10:15] <Xark_> des2: Oops. :)
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> No, my homework is done
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[10:16] <des2> Rule # 1 never use floating point for anything that needs to be exact
[10:16] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Unless you store it as a fraction
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> It's part of the assignment.
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> Unavoidable
[10:17] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yes, that statement does need a few disclaimers. :) Still, mostly accurate...
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> It's accurate enough for this assignment >.>
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> So why exactly doesn't Decimal work for anything that needs to be exact? .-.
[10:18] <des2> Because base 10 numbers can't be represented exactly in base 2
[10:18] <des2> When they are fractions.
[10:18] <Xark_> des2: I have had the displeasure of working with games where the developer decided to use floats for network play. I had to help debug the de-syncs (total hack).
[10:18] <fragalot> des2: rule2; never use floating point when you can avoid it
[10:18] <fragalot> :P
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir> So what would be the alternative? o.O
[10:19] <Aethaeryn> You can always manipulate a fraction data type and only evaluate the last one if you need a decimal. I am surprised no one does this in programs since it is what you do on math tests that allow calculators.
[10:19] <fragalot> most things i work with don't have proper floating point crunchers so i end up doing math magic
[10:19] <des2> Gabrial use integers and multiply by 10 or 100....
[10:19] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: * 1000 all the values, for example
[10:19] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: 64-bit integers are usually plenty if you pick the units right.
[10:19] <des2> Do 10 to 40 step 1
[10:19] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: But, as everything with software "it depends..."
[10:20] <Aethaeryn> Multiplying works too
[10:20] <fragalot> Xark_: now now, there will be a time when the unix timestamp breaks the 64bit limit
[10:20] <fragalot> just you wait & see!
[10:20] <des2> I have to upgrade before 2038
[10:20] <Xark_> fragalot: I'm hoping to be there to fix it though! :)
[10:20] <fragalot> Xark_: that would be awesome.
[10:21] <Aethaeryn> I always think of the most general solution.
[10:21] * Xark_ wonders what user interface will work best for a floating head in a jar...
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> So basically.... avoid decimals completely except when I have to display them? o.O
[10:21] <des2> Wireless
[10:21] <des2> Yes Gabrial
[10:21] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Matrix
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how my teacher would feel about that....
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[10:22] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Hmm, that will work, I guess. :)
[10:23] * Xark_ goes to set the date in his calendar....hey stupid calendar app. @#@!!
[10:23] <des2> Stupid lazy programmers and leap years
[10:23] <Aethaeryn> "cal" is good enough for everyone
[10:24] <Xark_> des2: That was classic yesterday. :) reminds me of when everyone was advised to not turn on there computers for a day a while ago...
[10:24] <des2> I disagree Aethaeryn
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[10:24] <des2> When I do 'cal 12' it's never right.
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[10:25] <Simon-> cal 12 is the year 12...
[10:26] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.... I can't see any better way to do this, if I use 10-40 to populate the list I'd have to divide first by 10 which would leave the list 1.0-4.0 but then when I get the value from the list I'd have to multiply by 10 again for all the calculations.... seems like a lot of extra work for accuracy
[10:27] <des2> In general Accuracy is more work than inaccuracy
[10:27] <des2> What kind of program doesn't even know what century it is...
[10:28] <Xark_> des2: A very flexible program. :)
[10:28] <des2> This Unix thing will never take off
[10:29] <Xark_> des2: Next time you want to know if Christmas fell on a Tuesday in the year 57, you will be very thankful! :)
[10:29] * oberling_ is now known as oberling
[10:29] <des2> And what's with those missing dates in Sept 1752 ?!
[10:29] <des2> What a crappy program
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir> Uh oh... I've gone and broken something .-.
[10:29] <Xark_> des2: :)
[10:30] <Edek> Does your program calculate what day falls on a specififc date?
[10:30] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Just re-load the SD card and you will be right back to where you started. :)
[10:30] <des2> Maybe he's got a reset button
[10:30] <GabrialDestruir> Except I'm not working on a Pi :p
[10:31] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: :)
[10:31] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Oh well, re-install Windows then. :D
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> Or I could just try and figure out what I broke....
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> that'd work too
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> dblMTotal = dblMTotal + (lstGPA.SelectedItem * 10) That should always add the selected item * 10 to the total right? .-.
[10:33] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: I thought you finished your homework...
[10:33] * Xark_ squints at GabrialDestruir
[10:33] <des2> What kindof language makes you write dblMTotal twice ?
[10:33] <GabrialDestruir> Yes... but then I went and started changing it xD
[10:33] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: I don't see the point in that, you could just *10 it at dblMTotal
[10:34] <fragalot> des2: no language does - some programmers just prefer it
[10:34] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: eg. only do the math once rather than each time
[10:34] <fragalot> des2: also - it's vb
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Ah screw it.... it was accurate enough how it was xD
[10:35] <fragalot> haha
[10:35] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Right on. Go for the NASA job! :D
[10:35] <nuil> still no email from rs :(
[10:36] <des2> Did you search your email box for the sending address ?
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[10:36] <nuil> rswww.com?
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[10:36] <des2> rsonline@eu.rs-email.com
[10:37] <nuil> des2: nope, no email
[10:37] <haltdef> I've not got one either
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[10:37] <haltdef> registered just after 6am
[10:37] <nuil> haltdef: jep
[10:38] <des2> I didn't registed until a day later
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Oh ffs.... I had this all finished and working....
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> and now it isn't
[10:38] <des2> Helpful hint Gabrial. Save a version under a different name before breaking it.
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[10:38] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: The hazards of optimization. :)
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'll keep that in mind next time.
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> You'd think I'd remember that from my LSL days on Second Life.... but apparently I'm very forgetful
[10:39] <des2> https://eu.rs-email.com/pub/sf/ResponseForm?_ri_=X0Gzc2X%3DWQpglLjHJlTQGi6UdK6E7X7a2kum3vCIj5sCpv145izc6fzeSzeFRvp403VXMtX%3DWQpglLjHJlTQGh5RLGGfKRjzdvzbv6rzgCfeU3Cpv145izc6fzeSzeFRvp403&_ei_=EsF0wHECez1rh2BXvJXh4yQ
[10:40] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: If you work on any "real" projects, make sure to use version control software (easy and totally nice to have a safety net).
[10:40] <des2> That's the email they sent me
[10:40] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey wait!
[10:40] <GabrialDestruir> I do have a sort of Version Control .-.
[10:41] <nuil> GabrialDestruir: github
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir> All my work is saved in dropbox >.>
[10:41] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: That works. :)
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir> Which while isn't a github, is efficient enough.
[10:41] <nuil> ^^
[10:42] <GabrialDestruir> Github would be a serious waste of effort for school homework I'd think .-.
[10:42] <steve_rox> cant believe the idiots gave that ebay seller of fake PI positive feedback after refund , was it a backmail job? or the easyest way to get positive feedback on ya account
[10:42] <fragalot> I wonder how hard it'd be to mod the kernel to attach a system buzzer onto one of the gpio pins
[10:42] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Yes, and it would totally destroy any chance of the "dog ate it" excuse working too. :)
[10:42] <fragalot> :P
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[10:42] <des2> Sounds more like a confederate working with him
[10:42] <fragalot> my guess after looking at the kernel source a few years back... not very
[10:43] <steve_rox> the custom PI ciggy box case has 9 bids
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[10:44] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-professional-Recycled-/290677470826?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item43adba366a
[10:44] <steve_rox> incase you havent seen
[10:44] <Xark_> fragalot: I bet it wouldn't be too hard. There is a kernel API for the crappy PC speaker (and "ctrl-G") so probably something similar on ARM wouldn't be "rocket science".
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[10:45] <fragalot> Xark_: well pc speaker is in the kernel already anyway, so it should just be a matter of enabling the module, changing the source code a bit to tell it what to do when that function gets called.. and done
[10:45] <des2> 'man beep'
[10:45] <Xark_> steve_rox: That is by far the #1 URL of the day (thanks though, it is a good one). :)
[10:45] <steve_rox> :-D
[10:46] <Guest66319> :D
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> Welp
[10:47] <Xark_> fragalot: Yeah, sounds right. Obviously the PC version will be doing "out" and stuff, but there would be were the ARM bits go.
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> I have no clue what broke it
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> and restoring older ones doesn't seem to help
[10:47] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-XXX-professional-Recyclable-/180833083409?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item2a1a7de011
[10:47] <steve_rox> one more for ya
[10:47] <steve_rox> bog roll PI
[10:47] <fragalot> "foil backed paper lining"
[10:47] <fragalot> which may actually CAUSE it to catch fire
[10:47] <fragalot> lol
[10:47] <Xark_> fragalot: Also, from what I gathered about the GPIO situation, there isn't any automatic "tone generation" so the CPU might have to bit bash (or control an oscillator or something).
[10:47] <steve_rox> check that second link
[10:48] <weuxel> Did anyone, who expressed interest at RS got any respond so far?
[10:48] <nuil> weuxel: no
[10:48] <fragalot> Xark_: you COULD just get a piezo buzzer
[10:48] <des2> Yes weuxel
[10:48] <fragalot> Xark_: eg. sink it to ground & *beep*
[10:49] <Xark_> fragalot: Yep.
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[10:49] <fragalot> right
[10:49] * fragalot afk
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir> For some reason that I can't seem to find dblFTotal = dblFTotal + lstGPA.SelectedItem is broken -.-
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[10:49] <steve_rox> damn theres 3 these joke PI listings on ebay
[10:49] <Androo> I ordered on uk.farnell.com, not knowing there was a US site :(
[10:50] <fragalot> Androo: should still ship from a us warehouse i think
[10:50] <Androo> fragalot: think so? hmm ..
[10:50] <des2> weuxel search your inbox for: rsonline@eu.rs-email.com
[10:50] <fragalot> weuxel: I haven't received anything yet either
[10:50] <fragalot> give 'm time
[10:51] <steve_rox> oh wow they even have a FAQ listing at bottom of ciggy pi case
[10:51] <Xark_> Androo: Plenty of time to sort it out if you need to (but you may get it sooner that way, who knows). My date (from US Newark) was May 12th...
[10:52] <Xark_> steve_rox: I love the Q & A. It was a well done spoof. :)
[10:52] <weuxel> Thanks guys for your information.
[10:53] <steve_rox> did you see the bog roll listing?
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[10:53] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-case-Raspberry-Pi-Model-XXX-professional-Recyclable-/180833083409?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item2a1a7de011
[10:53] <steve_rox> that one
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> It broke cause I moved the variables. lol
[10:53] <steve_rox> someone ask user a question "can pi be programmed to wipe my ass should i be too drunk to do so?"
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know....
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> with a gertboard....
[10:54] <des2> Clearly Gabrial you need FixedVariables.
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> A few motors and an "arm"
[10:54] <steve_rox> :-P
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[10:55] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: or a garden hose & valver
[10:55] <fragalot> -r
[10:55] <steve_rox> someone else is list a dull cardboard box case
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[10:55] <GabrialDestruir> On the other hand.... that same thing my accidently go too far and ream you too....
[10:56] <steve_rox> did they get the pi so small it can fit in ciggy box?
[10:56] <fragalot> i prefer my suggestion
[10:56] <fragalot> at worst you get an enema
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir> Well the more "accurate" code just crashed my computer xD
[10:57] <des2> Have you considered majoring in Art ?
[10:57] <fragalot> you... crash your computer with a simple vb program?
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir> Okay probably the video driver again...
[10:57] <fragalot> is that even possible still?
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir> but meh
[10:58] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: how are you running this? hitting debug in visual studio?
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.
[10:58] <fragalot> if so - it should catch all problems
[10:58] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Wow you are coding in visual basic and still the machine is crashing? I'm impressed. :)
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> Nah, the code isn't the issue, the WDDM driver doesn't like VB or Windows.... or well anything.
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> So the VM crashes
[10:59] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Ahh.
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[11:00] <GabrialDestruir> and everytime the VM crashes I've got to spend an hour "recovering" windows, because it refuses to boot afterwards.
[11:00] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Sounds productive...
[11:00] <des2> You're doing it wrong.
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir> If I were doing it right I'd be doing it via Linux or something? :p
[11:01] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: I thought you could just "snapshot" a VM and avoid these kind of issues. :)
[11:01] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: make a snapshot
[11:01] <fragalot> DAMN YOU Xark_!
[11:01] <steve_rox> my thoughts allso
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey wait .-.
[11:01] <steve_rox> takes longer to create snapshot than it does to revert to it
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir> No it doesn't
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[11:02] <fragalot> reverting is nearly instant in my experience
[11:02] <steve_rox> yup
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> On my computer it's about the same.
[11:02] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Christmas fell on a Sunday.
[11:02] <steve_rox> eats the fuck outter hdd space tho
[11:02] <Xark_> steve_rox: Depends on the VM, I guess. Some have "delta" filesystem where it is fresh if you restart (but keeps changes if you want - like drive overlay).
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> But considering that my windows VM also won't load a saved state... I'd say it's screwed .-.
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[11:03] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Thanks.
[11:03] * Xark_ makes a note...
[11:03] <GabrialDestruir> New Years fell on a sunday too...
[11:04] <steve_rox> some goon on ebay trying to sell raspberry pi domain extentions for mobile pi-ness
[11:04] <steve_rox> or something
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> Oh no... it's worse than that.
[11:04] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yeah, good luck with that. For like 2/3 the cost of a pi each month. :)
[11:04] <steve_rox> "You choose a personal webaddress of "yourname".RaspberryPi.Mobi"
[11:04] <des2> According to 'cal 12' New Years was on a Friday.
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> They're selling raspberrypi.mobi with software and crap that... get this
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> you can run on ANY computer
[11:04] <Aethaeryn> GabrialDestruir: github is overkill but git init works... just skip the push/pull steps.
[11:05] <GabrialDestruir> so the whole raspberry.mobi is pointless
[11:05] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yeah, you know how valuable and prestigious those 2nd level domain names are. :)
[11:05] <Aethaeryn> No need to publish
[11:05] <steve_rox> someone should msg and ask him if it works on PI or linux
[11:05] <fragalot> lol
[11:05] <GabrialDestruir> If you look through his stupid FAQ supposedly it does
[11:05] <steve_rox> "Why not have a personal hosted website that works on smartphones. " wtf
[11:05] <Xark_> steve_rox: Someone was reading their literature earlier "* works with ANY computer!!!" :)
[11:06] <des2> Is there a gnu Visual Basic compiler ?
[11:06] <fragalot> des2: afaik not
[11:06] <Xark_> des2: No.
[11:06] <fragalot> nobody is brave/stupid enough to even try and make one
[11:06] <fragalot> :D
[11:06] <steve_rox> i hate profiterring scum like that on ebay but the fake case listings are great :-D
[11:06] <Xark_> des2: But there is a free (near) VB clone that isn't too bad IIRC.
[11:06] <Androo> If there was one, it would have to be destroyed.
[11:06] <fragalot> steve_rox: they're real!
[11:06] <steve_rox> ;-)
[11:07] <steve_rox> hope i dident just runin the magic for you
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[11:07] <Xark_> des2: GNU Pascal for partial credit. :)
[11:07] <des2> I'll stick with Turbo Pascal, thanks.
[11:08] <des2> I'm still waiting for Turbo C
[11:09] <steve_rox> ppl actually selling project boxes on ebay for PI and ppl are buying them strangely
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not so sure my teacher would except something that wasn't coded in VB Express .-.
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir> accept*
[11:10] <fragalot> yeah unlikeliy
[11:10] <fragalot> -i
[11:11] <steve_rox> how easy is vb express?
[11:11] <GabrialDestruir> Easy
[11:11] <fragalot> steve_rox: depends
[11:11] <Xark_> steve_rox: A bit harder than Holiday Inn Express.
[11:11] <des2> Apparently easy enough to crash your computer.
[11:11] <fragalot> it's easy, but it' squite hard to get it to work right
[11:11] <fragalot> :D
[11:11] <steve_rox> say for a persion that has to transistion from vb6?
[11:11] <Aethaeryn> lol raspberrypi.mobi is desktop, not mobile, site
[11:12] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: even when visiting from a mobile device?
[11:12] <steve_rox> im a bit trapped in vb6 at moment :-(
[11:12] <des2> Is there a raspberrypi.xxx ?
[11:12] <Xark_> steve_rox: I think pretty easy really (despite the fuss). Mostly don't assume false is -1 and a few other obscure bits (not that I have worked with VB personally).
[11:12] <steve_rox> PI porn?
[11:12] <steve_rox> hmm
[11:13] <steve_rox> i hate that .net crap
[11:13] <steve_rox> im assumeing that express is in it
[11:13] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: I am on my Nexus One now
[11:13] <des2> Someday I hope to understand what activeX is
[11:13] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yeah, I don't think it directly generates native code anymore.
[11:13] <steve_rox> that .net crap is slow and requires huge runtimes to be installed
[11:14] <des2> Hasn't MS switches to one intermediate language for everything now ?
[11:14] <steve_rox> or it genrates stupid error messages of non explanation
[11:14] <Xark_> steve_rox: The app is small but it sucks for every user when they have to run it (and keep a zillion versions of .NET patched).
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir> Mkay.
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir> Did everything in thousands.
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[11:14] <des2> I've got like 6 versions of .net
[11:14] <steve_rox> really anoying
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[11:14] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, MSIL (commonly called .NET, but that isn't quite right).
[11:15] <Xark_> des2: Yes, and they are huge.
[11:15] <steve_rox> and when you install it you guarntee your have like 4 exe's lerking in the background afterwards if you get me
[11:15] <steve_rox> i cant stand lerking exe's
[11:16] <steve_rox> wondering how much ram they are stealing
[11:16] <abaxas> tell them straight you dont love them.. they eventually go away / boil your rabbit
[11:16] <des2> Odds are 50% if a program requires .net I just don't instlal it.
[11:16] <steve_rox> or what security holes they are opening
[11:16] <Xark_> steve_rox: But they will make your app start FASTER (and all other apps a bit slower - multiply by a bunch of apps and its "great").
[11:16] <abaxas> your lurking ex has opened her security hole
[11:16] <steve_rox> like prefetch in xp
[11:16] <fragalot> STILL no email from farnell/RS ... adnd this on a saturday! this is madness.
[11:16] <fragalot> :P
[11:16] <abaxas> whole new world of meaning
[11:16] <steve_rox> does bugger all
[11:16] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering if my teacher will mark me down for avoiding floating point....
[11:17] <des2> whinealot ?
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[11:17] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: explain in comments why you've done this
[11:17] <steve_rox> its easyer
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[11:17] <fragalot> that's what i learned in uni
[11:17] <fragalot> explains EVERYTHING
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[11:17] <fragalot> twice
[11:17] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Depends on the teacher. I might give you bonus points (depending). :)
[11:18] <GabrialDestruir> So basically "Avoiding Floating Point for more accuracy" ?
[11:18] <des2> Sure
[11:18] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: yeah but this teacher uses VB
[11:19] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: Well, and did you actually have a "bug" where it didn't sum to 4.0? You might give that example (i.e., you didn't do it [totally] for yucks).
[11:19] <Aethaeryn> Not sure why in 2012
[11:19] <des2> Caise it's 'BASIC' ?
[11:19] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: because old.
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> Well it is a Visual Basic class, Aethaeryn....
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[11:19] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, I was wondering. But I am sure GabrialDestruir has no control. :)
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> and required for my degree
[11:19] <fragalot> my uni was great
[11:20] <des2> Are you taking a class in Cobol too ?
[11:20] <fragalot> "we'll now teach you C!" *teaches not even the basics of C* *continues in C++ still calling it C* *continues in C#, still calling it C*
[11:20] <Xark_> GabrialDestruir: OK, that is a pretty reasonable reason to require VB, I'd say. :)
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> No?
[11:20] <Aethaeryn> My uni used Python for its intro... I still use Python on my own.
[11:20] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: python is nice
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[11:20] <fragalot> my uni taught php at one point
[11:20] <fragalot> ... PHP3
[11:21] <Androo> ew
[11:21] <fragalot> I corrected the lecturer so many times :'(
[11:21] <fragalot> Androo: well he actually CALLED it php4
[11:21] <Xark_> fragalot: Wow, that doesn't sound helpful to mush all those languages together (maybe C as a subset of C++...[maybe], but C## *Bzzzt*).
[11:21] <Aethaeryn> Any degree that used a .NET lang would've turned me into a math major more quickly.
[11:21] <fragalot> but kept using obsolete functions
[11:21] <fragalot> Xark_: yuppers
[11:21] <fragalot> last year was ASP.NET
[11:21] <fragalot> "this is how you drag and drop things"
[11:22] <fragalot> "this is how you do things the looong way 'round"
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[11:22] <Androo> fragalot: i ocnsider 5.2 obsolete, so it pains me to even think of using 3.0, and I fully realize this was a long time ago.
[11:22] <fragalot> it took me ~1/4 of the time to manually program it than it did to follow their steps, lol
[11:22] <fragalot> Androo: oh no, that lecture was only a few years ago
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[11:22] <Androo> fragalot: you jest, that's torture
[11:22] <fragalot> like.. 2 or 3
[11:23] <fragalot> I kid you not.
[11:23] <fragalot> microcontrollers was fun too!
[11:23] <steve_rox> .net appears to be a way to bottle neck devlopment and ms enforcement
[11:23] <Androo> they have you using vacuum tubes?
[11:23] <fragalot> "today we'll talk about power saving!" "this is latency. ok? good. that ends that chapter"
[11:23] <fragalot> ....what.
[11:23] <Aethaeryn> I love technology but classes do it so incorrectly... makes fun stuff seem... wrong,
[11:23] <fragalot> Androo: no, but they did have us use PLA's
[11:24] <Androo> fragalot: PLAs are good
[11:24] <fragalot> they are.. but are they still in use?
[11:24] <Xark_> steve_rox: I pity the people who base there biz on any MS tech though. The sands can shift quickly...(and already .NET is a portability/version hazard).
[11:24] <fragalot> oh, and for FPGA's, we used Xilinx ISE 9.... in graphical mode.
[11:25] <Androo> graphical mode? no VHDL?
[11:25] <fragalot> Androo: not unless you learned it yourself
[11:25] <steve_rox> well ms can use it to dictate what OS your prog runs on
[11:25] <des2> I think of .net as a guarantor of Microsoft monopoly
[11:25] <steve_rox> etc
[11:25] <fragalot> Androo: some people even made a random wave generator using the schematic editor
[11:25] <steve_rox> ms scumbags
[11:25] <fragalot> I pity them
[11:25] <Androo> fragalot: LabView?
[11:26] <Aethaeryn> I just outright cannot trust an OS with hidden components in the broadband era... I could never assume privacy.
[11:26] <fragalot> because back in version 9, if you placed something, you couldn't delete it's traces anymore without deleting the ENTIRE net
[11:26] <fragalot> Androo: no, xilinx' schematic editor
[11:26] <fragalot> it crashes every now & again and you can't undo
[11:26] <Androo> ah, never used it
[11:26] <fragalot> good.
[11:26] <Aethaeryn> End to end privacy is moot if your box has a backdoor.
[11:27] <Androo> I do remember using a Xilinx code editor or debugger of some kind. It wasn't a pleasant experience.
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[11:28] <steve_rox> rember when ms tryed to sneek a .net addon into firefox that was impossible to remove without significant setting/file modification
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[11:29] <steve_rox> there is another thing consistant with that activity , its called spyware :-P
[11:29] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, get your FPGA burner and make an OpenRISC system. Then you can check the hidden CPU code out too (of course you need to start with sand just to be sure...). :) http://orsoc.se/127/langswitch_lang/en/
[11:30] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I would actually like to, but it makes the Pi look speedy I think. :)
[11:30] <fragalot> lol
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> Okay, done.
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> Completely avoiding Floating Point too.
[11:31] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yeah, that was totally rude. I did a system restore to remove it. :)
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> ^_^
[11:31] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir++
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> Well, not completely, but where it matters.
[11:31] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: btw, you can do dblTotal += bleh rather than dblTotal = dblTotal + bleh
[11:31] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Only rms can tolerate slow machines for source code freedom/purity
[11:32] <Milos> pourquoi destruire
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[11:32] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yeah, I am with you there. Open is good, but it is not everything. :)
[11:32] <Aethaeryn> Everyone else lives with the 90% solution for now
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[11:33] <steve_rox> i couldent find the way to remove it easily
[11:33] <steve_rox> so told a anti spyware prog tokill it
[11:33] <steve_rox> raped its files
[11:33] <Androo> Yeah, I can live not using Richard Stallman's setup.
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir> Sweet ^_^
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir> Thanks fragalot
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[11:34] <GabrialDestruir> and everyone else who's been kind enough to point stuff out
[11:34] <Aethaeryn> Welcome to the greatest era in technology ever, now go use a netbook only and never even really touch the intern... uh... Information Superhighway
[11:35] <GabrialDestruir> You know... looking at all the commenting I've done in this project... I realize how seriously undercommented some of the stuff I've worked with is.
[11:35] <mdavey> Xark_: they were trending #1 worldwide on twitter at one point
[11:36] <Aethaeryn> GabrialDestruir: It is easier to do an excessive comment style and then tone it down later than to do the reverse.
[11:36] <fragalot> y'know.. it's probably for the best that i haven't gotten the rpi email yet
[11:36] <fragalot> just looked at my bank acct
[11:36] <fragalot> 13 euro
[11:36] <Aethaeryn> Aim for the excess, not the deficiency.
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed.
[11:37] <fragalot> lol
[11:37] <fragalot> i can buy half an rpi B!
[11:37] <mdavey> Aethaeryn: I'm sure we will see R.Pi based startups. There were a couple for Beagleboard IIRC, including AlwaysInnovating
[11:37] <Xark_> mdavey: Amazing launch. :)
[11:37] <Xark_> "CigCase International"
[11:38] <Xark_> - collect em all
[11:38] <fragalot> I just remembered I was busy working on a serial bus system for my microchip based home automation project
[11:38] <fragalot> completely forgot what the bus was though
[11:38] <fragalot> or the protocol
[11:38] <fragalot> :(
[11:40] <des2> Beagleboard has a small but active community.
[11:40] <fragalot> I'm sad now, because I'm sure I was near to completing it
[11:40] <fragalot> but i forgot where i put it
[11:41] <des2> The bus was microchannel.
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[11:41] <des2> Which is why you abandoned it.
[11:41] <fragalot> no it was something more...industrial
[11:41] <fragalot> profibus? ... no
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[11:42] <fragalot> modbus!
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[11:43] <steve_rox> you think ms lost the plot with windows8?
[11:44] <des2> plot ?
[11:44] <fragalot> steve_rox: they already lost it at ME.
[11:44] <Xark_> steve_rox: The initial reviews have been mostly positive (but everybody has a little gripe). Seems pretty radical change (Vista comes to mind...).
[11:45] * fragalot pelts Xark_ with transistor legs
[11:45] <steve_rox> vista was a disaster
[11:45] <steve_rox> forever changeing the definiton of "wow"
[11:45] <Aquilus_> Xark_: It's only a radical change if you use the start button a lot.
[11:45] <Xark_> fragalot: I am certainly not their market. :)
[11:45] <Aquilus_> I've been using 8 since August of last year, my use hasn't changed much since 7 really.
[11:46] <des2> Well years after Vista was released lots of stuff still didn't have drivers.
[11:46] <fragalot> I'm still using 95
[11:46] <fragalot> >.>
[11:46] <Xark_> fragalot: Although, I fear I will be forced to used it eventually (as I am with Visual Studio etc.).
[11:46] <fragalot> Xark_: tbf, visual studio isn't bad at all
[11:46] <Aquilus_> Although there's some good improvements. Proper copy/pasting (No need for TeraCopy anymore), and integrate virtual drives.
[11:47] <fragalot> Aquilus_: you mean if you copy something, it ACTUALLY finishes copying when it says it has?
[11:47] <Xark_> fragalot: No it is not. But I don't really like being forced to use it (especially when you aren't even using its compiler....)
[11:47] <des2> Does Windows8 know about .rar ?
[11:47] <fragalot> Xark_: what else would you use?
[11:47] <fragalot> des2: doubt it
[11:47] <Xark_> des2: Seriously doubt it. That is a proprietary format.
[11:47] <Aquilus_> fragalot: Yes, and you can pause copying, and properly to multiple at the same time.
[11:48] <steve_rox> its funny when windows trys to support a file format natively , it does it but really badly
[11:48] <fragalot> Aquilus_: what happens if you click cancel
[11:48] <fragalot> does it actually cancel, or doe sit complete & then delete like it seems to do now, time-wise :P
[11:48] <Aquilus_> Haven't tried.
[11:48] <Xark_> fragalot: Well, there are some really nice editors along with a nice build system.
[11:48] <fragalot> Xark_: i've tried most & haven't managed to find something that's nicer to work with than VS
[11:49] <Xark_> fragalot: Managing project settings in VS is a pain (although much better in recent versions).
[11:49] <steve_rox> i think windows8 is for home users mainly ,they say business wont be interested in it
[11:49] <fragalot> and i'm the last person to advocate m$ :P
[11:49] <Aethaeryn> des2: The only advantage of rar over 7z is multimedia... like MS wants to get in trouble with MPAA/etc...
[11:49] <fragalot> yea, it is a bit of a hassle that
[11:49] <des2> THe biggest difference between Windows 7 and XP. If something fails because a file is in use it gives you a 'try again' option.
[11:49] <steve_rox> ms dont care about getting into trouble
[11:49] <steve_rox> they just make a excuse " we cant uninstall it , its too tightly intergrated into the OS"
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[11:50] <Xark_> fragalot: I am mostly fine with VS, but all I am saying that may drag me into Windows 8 and "Metroland" (but whatever, not the end of the world for work).
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[11:50] <fragalot> steve_rox: or "that forced update was an accident, we swear!"
[11:50] <steve_rox> hehe
[11:50] <steve_rox> or that WGA bullshit they sneeked in
[11:50] <des2> It just costs bsinesses too much to upgrade OSes
[11:50] <fragalot> steve_rox: :D
[11:50] <steve_rox> which when you update win now you have to selectively go thu every one to make sure you havent ticked it
[11:51] <fragalot> Xark_: the compiler I used for an embedded platform (microchip - forgot what compiler exactly) hadn't been updated in over a decade
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[11:51] <steve_rox> i look forward to seeing what OS's this PI genrates
[11:51] <fragalot> basically - it works fine still, the upgrade performed slower in our tests, created a larger bin file, and costs another 10 grand
[11:51] <fragalot> ll
[11:51] <fragalot> lol*
[11:52] <steve_rox> perhaps this is the time we break the mould of MS oppression
[11:52] <Aethaeryn> steve_rox: lol
[11:52] <steve_rox> :-P
[11:52] <des2> I think that was Android steve_rox
[11:52] <fragalot> no no, iOS
[11:52] * fragalot runs
[11:52] <steve_rox> haha
[11:53] <Xark_> fragalot: Yeah. It is a real problem "resurrecting" old software projects that have a string of dependencies on OS versions and compiler versions etc. Now I guess you can make a VM image of the dev system if you want it to be semi-preserved from bitrot.
[11:53] <steve_rox> out of ms shackels into shiney white ones?
[11:53] <steve_rox> sounds like portal shackels
[11:53] <mjr> iOS gives you more brightly colored oppression instead
[11:53] <fragalot> Xark_: Aye
[11:53] <GabrialDestruir> Eh. crap. I just realized my GPA Calculator rounds to the nearest hundreth...
[11:53] <Aethaeryn> Everyone who wants a sane OS is on a Unix clone today. Everyone who wants games or some other app uses Windows, these groups are not mutally exclusive
[11:53] <Xark_> fragalot: I recently completed a "remastered" game project that was a real bitch.
[11:53] <Aethaeryn> No need to "break free"
[11:54] <fragalot> Xark_: only one solution
[11:54] <des2> Remastered ?
[11:54] <fragalot> paper hard copies
[11:54] <fragalot> :D
[11:54] <fragalot> playing mario with pieces of paper suspended by strings on stepper motors
[11:54] * fragalot nods
[11:54] <Xark_> des2: That is what they are calling it when you port a game from an older system to newer (i.e., PS2 -> PS3).
[11:54] <fragalot> damnit i want to make that now
[11:54] <fragalot> why do i not have more spare time
[11:54] <fragalot> :'(
[11:54] <steve_rox> seems to me ms have no idea what the end user want , and what they do want cant be reproduced on a desktop pc
[11:54] <fragalot> why do i not have spare time in the first place
[11:54] <des2> ah
[11:55] <steve_rox> random question but does anyone know anyone that has a MS windows phone crap?
[11:55] <Aethaeryn> steve_rox: They never had an idea what they wanted. They got in because it is easier to screw over businesses and PC were businesses first.
[11:55] <Xark_> des2: We had a "classic debian" dev setup for the game build (from ~2001 era) in an VM etc. Crazy project since it was written in a custom language.
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> I use to have a windows phone
[11:55] <Aethaeryn> Then it was too late because Windows had all the apps.
[11:55] <fragalot> steve_rox: i've got a 5
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> WM6 worst decision ever
[11:56] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: and 7 isn't?
[11:56] <fragalot> it can't multitask
[11:56] <steve_rox> ive got a windows moble 2003 pda , thats most ive ever gone
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> Eventually the phone commited suicide, so not a big issue.
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[11:56] <steve_rox> haha
[11:56] <steve_rox> the phone hated itself
[11:56] <fragalot> upload something, look at a picture meanwhile,... upload gets tombstoned & times out
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[11:57] <GabrialDestruir> First it tried to drown itself, then it lost it's charger.
[11:57] <GabrialDestruir> Thus it died.
[11:57] <steve_rox> so these ms phones are basicly zunes
[11:57] <Aethaeryn> WinMo in '09: 15% share. WinPho/Mo now: 5% share. Yeah, metro and Nokia are two great decisions alright
[11:57] * Xark_ is glad he gave away his N800...
[11:57] <haltdef> I'm still mad at nokia for going windows
[11:57] <fragalot> i've got a massive brick of a wm5 phone laying around here somewhere
[11:57] <haltdef> maemo is the best mobile OS I've every used
[11:57] <fragalot> made even bigger by the extended battery pack so it'd actually last a day
[11:57] <fragalot> lo
[11:58] <haltdef> and I plan on using it until my n900 stops working dammit
[11:58] <steve_rox> hehe
[11:58] <Aethaeryn> haltdef: No hardware partner wins from an MS partnership.
[11:58] <Xark_> haltdef: Totally, very sad.
[11:58] <steve_rox> im still using a really old motorola L7 phone , ppl seem to have lost sight what a phone is for
[11:58] <haltdef> I had an HTC phone before they were popular, HTC universal
[11:58] <haltdef> breeze block
[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> No one wins from MS period.
[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[11:59] <fragalot> haltdef: hipster
[11:59] <fragalot> GabrialDestruir: gates did
[11:59] <Xark_> steve_rox: That phone plays Angry Birds? :)
[11:59] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that game is
[11:59] <haltdef> not many people had smartphones then, pre-iphone era
[11:59] <Aethaeryn> steve_rox: I don't really use my phone as a phone at all.
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> Not really....
[11:59] <Aethaeryn> I mean, my mom calls me and that is about it.
[11:59] <Reventlov> so it's not a phone anymore
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> Sure he's a billionaire....
[11:59] <Aethaeryn> Voice calling is dead.
[11:59] <fragalot> I use my phone for internet... looking up opening hours for stores, navigation, etc...
[11:59] <Xark_> steve_rox: I believe that game is the main thing people use smartphones for (not positive)... :)
[11:59] <cpm> My n900 battery lasts a few days after I bought a new one a month or so ago.
[11:59] <fragalot> pretty much anything that's not calling
[11:59] <fragalot> lol
[12:00] <fragalot> (got my work phone for that)
[12:00] <des2> What about the picture phone ?...
[12:00] <GabrialDestruir> But now he has to live his entire life knowing that people make fun of him for naming his OS after his penis.
[12:00] <des2> People don't want to just type text at eachother...
[12:00] <Aethaeryn> My phone is a mini tablet, that's it.
[12:00] <fragalot> my htc magic used to last for a WEEK on a single charge when it ran android 1.5
[12:00] <steve_rox> so in reality iphone seems to have pissed over all the market damageing pc's to hell and anything standing in the way of apple gets suied or banned
[12:00] <fragalot> I upgraded it to the latest CM release and now i'm lucky if it makes it trought he day
[12:00] <Aethaeryn> I am on my phone right noe.
[12:00] <Aethaeryn> *now
[12:00] <Aethaeryn> Soft keyboard too
[12:00] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: it shows
[12:00] <steve_rox> haha
[12:01] <fragalot> also - how the hell does anyone find rpi cases on ebay
[12:01] <fragalot> all I can find is mascara & stuff for some reason
[12:01] <Xark_> steve_rox: Yes, and now MS sees Apple getting away with a locked ecosystem (after they got a taste of everybody's software $$$ on Xbox etc.). :)
[12:01] <des2> There ar eni rpi cases
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[12:01] <des2> are no
[12:01] <steve_rox> hey are generic project boxes
[12:01] <fragalot> des2: there are!
[12:01] <fragalot> i've seen the marlboro one
[12:01] <fragalot> and the toilet roll one
[12:01] <fragalot> etc
[12:01] <fragalot> :D
[12:01] <des2> lol
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> Actually
[12:01] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: Nothing is wrong with taking 20 minutes to respond
[12:01] <steve_rox> seems ms allways miss the boat with a market lately
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> use google shop
[12:01] <Aethaeryn> :-P
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> type in "Raspberry Pi Case"
[12:01] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: i was beeing sarcastic
[12:02] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: what client do you use,
[12:02] <Aethaeryn> irssi
[12:02] <GabrialDestruir> They have one on a site for like 25-30 bucks
[12:02] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[12:02] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: native, or remote?
[12:02] <steve_rox> someone put a cardboard box case on there
[12:02] <steve_rox> i think the cig box is the best
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[12:02] <steve_rox> mainfor for detail about foil
[12:02] <Aethaeryn> I just use irssi connectbot to use irssi without switching sessions
[12:02] <fragalot> about the cases..... reprap or makerbot.
[12:02] * Xark_ notes MS charges devs 40K+ to release an Xbox game patch (for example).
[12:02] <des2> The foundation wasn't free with an accurately dimensioned diagram.
[12:02] <Aethaeryn> So I can go to and from my desk
[12:02] <des2> So there are no cases.
[12:02] <steve_rox> not yet
[12:03] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: i found the hacker keyboard to be a welcome addition to that package
[12:03] <steve_rox> anyways brb im gonna go place
[12:03] <fragalot> I might mill one if i get my rpi
[12:04] <GabrialDestruir> Ugh my VM snapshots are becoming a pita
[12:04] <des2> 10 minutes after the first PIs are received there'll be cases on ebay for real
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[12:04] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: same
[12:05] <fragalot> sorry, not if
[12:05] <fragalot> when
[12:05] <fragalot> :D
[12:05] <Aethaeryn> about the keyboard I mean
[12:05] <Aethaeryn> if I typo it is because I made the keys too small to maximize lines
[12:05] <Xark_> I bet with this much interest there will be lots of after market cases (and other goodies). Like mdavey was saying, I suspect a few biz opportunities will be sprouted.
[12:06] <Aethaeryn> I really need a screen much larger than a nexus one to pull off my terminal and full hacker keyboard without typos
[12:06] <des2> You'll see Raspberry pI apprearing in 100's of ebay auctions for generic items.
[12:07] * Xark_ is going to hold off on the toilet roll case for now - tempting as it is.
[12:07] <des2> Like USB WiFI
[12:07] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: I set it to use the full keyboard on portrait once
[12:07] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: like iPod cases
[12:07] <fragalot> what a mistake that was
[12:07] <fragalot> lol
[12:07] <des2> Mice, Keyboards.
[12:07] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: yup
[12:07] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: i've got the smaller htc magic
[12:07] <fragalot> which didn't help
[12:07] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yep., no case could be a feature. :)
[12:08] <fragalot> Xark_: what it needs is a plexiglass half open case
[12:08] <fragalot> eg. bottom & top protected, but the sides open
[12:08] <fragalot> with the GPIO on a 90?? angled pin header
[12:08] <Xark_> fragalot: Eben mentioned in one of the videos he hopes the official "educational release" case will be transparent.
[12:08] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: It doesn't work portrait even on the new tablet phone my dad has... s
[12:08] <Aethaeryn> samsung note
[12:08] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: haha
[12:09] <fragalot> it barely works on my a500 lookalike
[12:09] <fragalot> packard bell liberty tab
[12:09] <fragalot> same hardware, diff. case
[12:09] <fragalot> :P
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[12:09] <Xark_> So is it the general consensus that despite pics like this http://yfrog.com/z/mg4m3qmj the real Pi will have no GPIO pins (just holes)?
[12:10] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: I just wonder how streamlined a battery/case/screen could be
[12:10] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It will be hard to compete with a real calculator...
[12:10] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: why?
[12:10] <fragalot> Xark_: only one way to find out.
[12:10] <Aethaeryn> Calculators suck these days
[12:11] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, just thinking about the height of connectors and such.
[12:11] <fragalot> Xark_: so desolder them?
[12:11] <fragalot> you don't NEED them
[12:11] <fragalot> :P
[12:11] <Aethaeryn> Any gadget that sucks needs to be replaced
[12:11] <fragalot> infact, in this case, you don't even WANT them
[12:11] <Jmirc> Fragalot what ya smoking
[12:11] <BCMM> Xark_: the beta boards shipped with GPIO pins soldered on
[12:11] <Xark_> fragalot: Well, depends if it is a case or a "total remod". :)
[12:11] <fragalot> Jmirc: I don't smoke.
[12:11] <BCMM> Xark_: the release boards will not have them because modders can't agree on which side they want them on
[12:11] <fragalot> Xark_: :P
[12:12] <Xark_> BCMM: OK, wasn't clear exactly what type of board that was. Thanks.
[12:12] <BCMM> Xark_: people using the GPIO probably enjoy soldering anyway, so they can put them on whichever side they prefer
[12:12] <BCMM> Xark_: it's not that obvious. the main visual difference is the GPIO pins (and the wider SD card slot)
[12:12] <Xark_> BCMM: Yeah, that may be good, since I can see some argument for having the connector on the backside (and even female etc.)
[12:12] <fragalot> what are those - what look like - flatcable connectors for?
[12:13] <des2> i/o
[12:13] <fragalot> nvm i'm an idiot
[12:13] <fragalot> :P
[12:13] <Xark_> BCMM: Cool. I suppose there will be plenty of production pics fairly soon now. :)
[12:13] <BCMM> Xark_: one would hope so, yes
[12:13] <Jmirc> Fragalot indeed
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[12:14] <fragalot> bit of a shame that it doesn't appear to have mounting holes
[12:14] <Flea86> fragalot: Even *two* (one in each/opposite corner) would've been nice
[12:15] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: The graphing calculators aren't that small, so Pi is a contender. I wonder if some kind of "flat" battery is cheaply available?
[12:15] <fragalot> Flea86: solution, drill your own
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[12:15] <fragalot> right in the center, so you only need one
[12:15] <des2> yeah there are plenty of flat batteries
[12:15] * Xark_ will just use staples...what is all the fuss? :)
[12:15] <BCMM> fragalot: they have pretty much said that at some point, there will be a minor revision featuring mounting holes, fixing any problems that come up, and possibly exposing some more stuff on GPIO
[12:15] <Flea86> fragalot: ofc, not certain however if she'll boot again afterwards
[12:15] <fragalot> BCMM: Epic;
[12:16] <fragalot> Flea86: hey but atleast it fixes the mounting problem!
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[12:16] <fragalot> one problem at a time, please
[12:16] <BCMM> fragalot: however, with the rolling production system they have now, it's not going to be fixed in the "second batch"
[12:16] <Flea86> fragalot: touche
[12:16] * Xark_ notes this is another good reason for the current limit of one. :)
[12:16] <fragalot> BCMM: wouldn't expect that :)
[12:16] <BCMM> fragalot: also, there are various suggestions for ways to grip the edges
[12:16] <Flea86> BCMM: I can see raspi as a 'netdruino on steroids' :)
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[12:17] <fragalot> BCMM: that is a possibillity indeed, done that on a few of my boards
[12:17] <fragalot> holes are just...nicer :P
[12:17] <BCMM> that is true
[12:17] <BCMM> how did you do it, btw?
[12:17] <fragalot> snap-in clamps
[12:18] <fragalot> little flexible hook that catches the edge
[12:18] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Aeren't all phone batteries flat?
[12:18] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: the new ones are if you wait long enough
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[12:19] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Pretty much, but they aren't that cheap in my experience (but probably carrier markup...). :)
[12:19] <Flea86> fragalot: I will probably wait :)
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[12:19] <BCMM> fragalot: somebody on the forums linked some little plastic things with screw holes that fit on the corners of a board
[12:19] <fragalot> BCMM: http://www.efunda.com/designstandards/plastic_design/images/snap.gif
[12:19] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Yes, but phones also drain more power probably
[12:19] <fragalot> similar to that concept
[12:19] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Are you good with some CAD skills to mock up a case?
[12:20] <BCMM> fragalot: is there a embossed rim to the board?
[12:20] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Does Blender come close enough
[12:20] <fragalot> BCMM: the whole board itself is the rim
[12:20] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Probably in the same ballpark, but I guess without a backlit or radio it would be less.
[12:20] <Aethaeryn> or even Minecraft
[12:20] <BCMM> fragalot: ah i see, not like the diagram
[12:20] <fragalot> no
[12:20] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Sure. :)
[12:20] <Flea86> Aethaeryn: does in my book (blender) :)
[12:20] <fragalot> BCMM: couldn't find what i meant on google :P
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[12:21] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Radio is all the battery, pretty much. You can get a lot of phones to last days on airplane mode
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[12:21] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yeah, I can see that. I guess the other big question is screen type and interface.
[12:22] <GabrialDestruir> I've just realized my VM is up to 56GBs and I have no clue why
[12:22] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[12:23] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I think I read something like you can control several popular displays with like 5 GPIO pins. I would assume these are fine for graphing calculator use (and maybe GB emulation...).
[12:23] <fragalot> you can control some displays with as little as 2 pins, actually
[12:23] <fragalot> 3*
[12:23] <fragalot> it's got SPI on there doesn't it?
[12:24] <Flea86> fragalot: I think it does
[12:24] <fragalot> Xark_: also - there is a dedicated DSI display connector on the board :P why muck about with gpio
[12:24] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Touchscreen is more flexible, but would totally be banned in matn classes... but the software would be worth it and it will be banned anyway
[12:24] <Aethaeryn> If there is a cheap enough sceen
[12:24] <Aethaeryn> screen
[12:25] <Xark_> Yep, SPI http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[12:25] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Probably adds cost too. So I guess you need a keypad too...
[12:25] <fragalot> :O unconnected pins! WHAT A WASTE
[12:26] <Xark_> fragalot: I guess they had trouble getting them all out of the SoC without adding more layers.
[12:26] <Aethaeryn> The problem with a calculator is the ideal interface changes repeatedly
[12:26] <Aethaeryn> Touch or a million little buttons
[12:26] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: So have a non display "soft" keypad?
[12:26] <fragalot> Xark_: very likely
[12:26] <fragalot> the times i've cursed & ended up using 0ohm resistors to avoid that is countless
[12:27] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: solution, the optimus keyboard!
[12:27] <Aethaeryn> lol or a screen
[12:28] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I've got it. Use the camera port and gesture recognition ala Kinnect. It can be a sign-language calculator.... :)
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[12:28] <fragalot> HELL YES
[12:29] <Xark_> I'll help you code up the "Dance Dance Calculate" app. :)
[12:29] <fragalot> xD
[12:29] <Flea86> :)
[12:29] <Aethaeryn> No one touchtypes a calculator so the only reason why they are not touchscreen is the "too powerful" ban
[12:29] <fragalot> Xark_: I can just imagine someone going like this in the class.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOBL5qPxHs&feature=related
[12:30] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: How would Kinnect work on a desk?
[12:30] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I am just joking. :)
[12:30] <Aethaeryn> Also... copying off of others...
[12:31] <Aethaeryn> it'd be perfect if you add in Metro
[12:31] <Aethaeryn> We need the Win8 port now
[12:31] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: and a little window asking if you're sure
[12:31] <fragalot> every 5 minutes
[12:31] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: The most sense to me, sounds like a semi traditional calculator keypad, perhaps with a few buttons that can be "labelled" via the screen (next to it).
[12:31] <fragalot> and Navi
[12:31] <fragalot> going "hey!"
[12:31] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: and Clippy. '
[12:32] <fragalot> hey hey, what's up, hey hey, listen!
[12:32] <Aethaeryn> It looks like you are taking a test. Want help?
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[12:32] <fragalot> hello?
[12:32] <fragalot> :D
[12:32] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: too normal
[12:32] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: So what are you thinking if not a touchscreen?
[12:33] <Aethaeryn> if screens are cheap enough a software only UI for half the screen makes sense
[12:33] <Xark_> (or keypad)
[12:33] <Aethaeryn> just default to a DE that clones a traditional calculator
[12:33] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: So use touchscreen (but perhaps resistive) and don't make it like a traditional "touchscreen" style interface (pretend like you are a keypad)?
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[12:34] <Aethaeryn> Exactly
[12:34] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: OK, that makes sense.
[12:34] <Aethaeryn> 50% or so should in default pretend to be a keyboard
[12:34] <Aethaeryn> graphs fullscreen of course
[12:34] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Much better too since the software can "update" the keycaps (great for custom type apps etc.)
[12:35] <Aethaeryn> Jusg easiest to make most of the work software
[12:35] <Aethaeryn> Wider audience, more updates, etc.
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[12:35] <Aethaeryn> *just
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[12:36] <Aethaeryn> It is too slow to check for typos
[12:36] <Xark_> OK, so how difficult is the input hardware for this type of screen (I assume resistive to keep cost down)? Similar SPI type of deal (or do you need a extra interface stuff).
[12:37] <Xark_> I know capacitive are semi-tricky, but I am guessing some kind of A2D for this (or maybe the screen does the "heavy lifting" and just a digital interface)?
[12:37] <Aethaeryn> Well unless you want to invest money in a gamble when I just want a calculator, I am not sure why standardization is necessary
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[12:38] <Aethaeryn> I was thinking more of just a guide online and some specs and a 3d printed case
[12:38] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Standardization? I am just wondering about the feasibility and needed hardware work. I am worried that one off screens are a total rip off...
[12:39] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: There was a tweet earlier today complaining that a 4" little project LCD screen cost more than a 22" LCD TV at Best Buy. :)
[12:39] <Aethaeryn> And I wonder how fancy they made it
[12:40] <Aethaeryn> And its resolution
[12:40] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: I guess the interface details could easily be abstracted, but I am still curious what it would take to make the calculator "form factor" real.
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[12:41] <Aethaeryn> 1080p at 4" is going to be a fortune for instance
[12:41] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: This is one app that a (very crappy) $35 tablet [if one emerges from the vapor - even for a bit more] may be better suited (if is just comes with a touchscreen).
[12:42] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: So? This is about building something. Also I have yet to see the mobile mindset do calculators and computing right
[12:42] <Aethaeryn> It is all about consuming.
[12:43] <des2> Consuming ?
[12:43] <Aethaeryn> It also is not an app, it is a front end to a full distro, which can run R and other full computation stuff
[12:44] <Aethaeryn> Not a toy.
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[12:44] <Aethaeryn> des2: Media and "buy this novelty". Not really optimised for work
[12:44] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Well, I think the idea is cool (but I undersand it is your idea). I am just wondering about the hardware needed and what type of screen would be best/affordable to use (I am a software guy).
[12:44] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: I am wondering too
[12:44] <Aethaeryn> I am on my phone after all
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> The cheapest way is to get a $30 3.5" screen that connects to composite out, and some buttons.
[12:45] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: For low-budget a tiny mobile NTSC display using composite is probably cheapest (I think I have seen them for like $12).
[12:45] <des2> composit in - nooooooooo
[12:45] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: But you need the input...
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> USB keypad
[12:45] <Xark_> des2: I am not saying it would be "ideal". :)
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> butchered a little.
[12:46] <Xark_> SpeedEvil: That is a pretty good idea. I think I have seen little "user definable" usb key thingies too...
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[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Xark_: those are expensive!
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[12:46] <Aethaeryn> The problem with buttons is... look at a graphing calculator
[12:46] <Xark_> SpeedEvil: Yeah (not even thinking of the OLED craziness...)
[12:46] <Aethaeryn> too many buttons
[12:47] <fragalot> Aethaeryn: yeah. what do half of them even DO?
[12:47] <Aethaeryn> Not cheap or easy when you have 100 buttons
[12:47] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: It could get "butt ugly" real quick if you aren't careful. :)
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Aethaeryn: depends. For some thing 4 buttons is just fine.
[12:47] <Aethaeryn> fragalot: It is mainly because the buttons cannot chamge based on context
[12:47] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: i'd prefer 5
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: up/down/left/right/select
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> for example
[12:47] <fragalot> SpeedEvil: 5.
[12:47] <fragalot> :P
[12:48] * Xark_ doesn't want a calculator that is like setting a crappy bedside clock to use...
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[12:48] <fragalot> or a joystick / rotary knob interface
[12:48] <fragalot> :P
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[12:48] <SpeedEvil> No, for that it wouldn't work.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Something like a thermostat, for example would work though.
[12:48] <fragalot> my last project only had a single button.. rotary knob, used to configure & analyze industrial spraying setups
[12:48] <Aethaeryn> Xark_: Jobs is right though... a touch screen is basically the only clean tiny interface
[12:48] <fragalot> can't say more thanks to the neat thing that is an NDA though :<
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> fragalot: Please don't talk about your knob. Even if it is rotary.
[12:49] <fragalot> :D
[12:49] <Aethaeryn> anyway
[12:49] <Aethaeryn> bbl
[12:49] <fragalot> but it was fun! :P
[12:49] <Aethaeryn> I will have to look at input pricrs
[12:49] <Aethaeryn> *prices
[12:49] <Aethaeryn> No point speculating atm
[12:50] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Especially if you don't make it "single use" (where the functions are printed into the plastic of the keycaps - ala a real [expensive] calc).
[12:50] <Xark_> Aethaeryn: Yes, musing on IRC is pretty cost effective and plenty of time to ponder. :)
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[12:51] <Aethaeryn> This is an intelligent channel at least
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[12:54] <Xark_> I wonder if there will be something like a "shield" ecosystem for Rasp Pi where you can get an reasonably priced (e.g.) display with touch screen (or arrows/select) and slap it on for a project.
[12:55] <fragalot> time will tell
[12:55] <Xark_> Doesn't seem too much of a stretch.
[12:55] <fragalot> nope
[12:55] <fragalot> what about getting one of the arduino ones to work on this
[12:55] <Xark_> The non standardized GPIO is a minor impediment.
[12:56] <Xark_> fragalot: Well I think a lot of people plan on using an arduino and having the Pi be the brains. Not a bad way to go either...
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[12:56] <Xark_> I suspect it would not be trivial to actually "hack" an arduino shield onto Pi (but I am not a hardware expert).
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[13:00] <des2> I"m sure they'll be shields out soon
[13:01] <des2> Won't be long before the first flashing LED
[13:01] <Xark_> des2: :)
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[13:02] <Xark_> des2: I await the 1080 video of it. :) [Although I did see a Gertboard prototype shown]
[13:02] <Flea86> Xark: It shouldn't be too difficult to hack (arduino shield onto pi), i'm kinda taken aback by code to access low-level io on the pi...
[13:03] <Xark_> Flea86: What do you mean? Hit a special memory address I thought (from squinting at SoC manual)?
[13:03] <des2> The Arduino has really completely different outputs than the pi
[13:04] <des2> Also the Arduino has sockets on both sides that help support a board above it
[13:04] <des2> I'm thinking of more a breakout board that connects by a cable to the connector on the PI
[13:05] <Xark_> des2: Yeah a few physical issues as well as whatever electrical and I/O concerns.
[13:05] <fragalot> Xark_: I don't think it would be that difficult really
[13:05] <fragalot> the pins you need are there, alll you need is a way to connect them
[13:05] <des2> The Gertboard seems a little pricey.
[13:06] <Xark_> des2: How much is ardrino? Is is worth not just interfacing it to the Pi with a bus (i.e., is it worth it to just need the shield)?
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[13:06] <des2> $20.
[13:06] <des2> (chinese clone)
[13:07] <des2> (shipped from china in 3 weeks)
[13:07] <DDave> fully compatible?
[13:07] <DDave> des2: DX?
[13:07] <des2> No ebay
[13:07] <Xark_> des2: Well, that isn;t too bad (and having an I/O controller may be very handy especially if there are real-time concerns). Still, $20 is a lot of "Pi". :)
[13:07] <des2> I actually just bought one for $10 but it was a one time thing.
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[13:08] <Xark_> Flea86: That is one thing, if you have sensitive timing Linux can complicate things.
[13:08] <Flea86> Xark: looks to be alittle bit more complicated, though at least there's some example code available..
[13:08] <des2> The PI needs a parallel port.
[13:09] <des2> That was the universal interface on the PC
[13:09] <mjr> nothing needs a parallel port
[13:09] <Xark_> Flea86: Is this userside or kernel side?
[13:09] <Flea86> des2: I agree with you
[13:09] <des2> People did ethernet on the parallel port!
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[13:10] <Flea86> Xark: userside, I think (not 100% sure, since I haven't really played with any flavor of unix yet, apart from minix :P)
[13:10] <Flea86> des2: Indeed they did :)
[13:11] <Flea86> heh
[13:11] <des2> $18.35 arduino duo clone: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EKitsZone-UNO-ATMEGA328-ATMEGA8U2-Compatible-Arduino-UNO-/290656044777?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ac7346e9
[13:12] <Henchman21> wouldnt suprise me if there is a usb->parallel
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[13:12] <Xark_> Flea86: Well, I am sure there are some subtleties, but probably with root privileges you just map the "magic" I/O space into userspace and then you can access it with regular instructions (perhaps with cache flushes etc.). Didn't look too tricky (very similar to bit-bashing on x86 parallel port in fact - which I remember doing).
[13:13] <des2> Really an board with some type of latching parallel port would be great.
[13:13] <des2> If timing is critical find a real time linuc kernal that will run on the pi
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[13:14] <Xark_> des2: History shows that a well thought out "expansion connector" is always a cool thing (but it does add cost and space for Pi, so I don't fault them).
[13:14] <Flea86> Xark: Indeed, I'm sure it will work well enough :)
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[13:15] <fragalot> des2: simple shift register you mean?
[13:15] <fragalot> serial-in, parallel out
[13:15] <mjr> there is an expansion connector, it's called "USB" ;) but yeah, the pi's not really geared for hardware hackers so much as to warrant spending money on easily accessible gpio and all that
[13:15] <Flea86> fragalot: just use a couple of MCP23S08/09's :P
[13:15] <des2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=USB%20Parallel%20port
[13:16] <fragalot> Flea86: costs a bit more than your bog standard 595 :D
[13:16] <des2> Sure frag.
[13:16] <Xark_> Flea86: I haven't done too much "to the metal" programming on ARM. I have heard that it can get messy in parts (with lots of MMU and cache games). X86 is wonderful about hiding those details (they needed to for compatibility).
[13:17] <fragalot> Xark_: on microchip, SALVO is quite a neat RTOS to play around with
[13:17] <fragalot> but not for you if you like your stack
[13:17] <fragalot> :P
[13:17] <fragalot> (the times i've cursed at it for losing it's stack is countless)
[13:17] <Xark_> fragalot: Doen't sound too inviting. :)
[13:18] <des2> http://www.amazon.com/Controlling-World-Your-Paul-Bergsman/dp/1878707159
[13:18] <fragalot> it works great once you get used to it, lol
[13:18] <des2> Before Arduino there was the PC paralel port
[13:18] <Flea86> fragalot: While you *can* use the '595, I think you'll find it might not meet the max -Io portion of the LPT spec :P
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[13:18] <Xark_> des2: Hehe, I don't have that one, but I do have parallel port complete. :)
[13:19] <Flea86> des2: lol
[13:19] <fragalot> Flea86: good point :D
[13:19] <Flea86> des2: before the parallel port there was nothing ;-)
[13:19] * Xark_ made a homebrew debugger thingie for N64 using parallel port (Linux/Windows).
[13:19] <fragalot> why is farnell still down >.>
[13:19] <fragalot> o lol cache
[13:20] <Flea86> fragalot: refresh is your friend :3
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[13:20] <Henchman21> http://pastehtml.com/view/bpvygosbp.html
[13:20] <des2> If the USB to parallel devices at Newegg can be made to work with Arduino then you are wll on your way
[13:21] <Flea86> des2: But have they? :o
[13:21] <Xark_> des2: I have heard that some of the better ones do allow fine grained control of most parallel port lines as if hooked to a PC (with DMA modes emulation etc.). Lots of crappy ones just let you print. :)
[13:21] <des2> s/Arduino/Raspberry PI/
[13:22] <Flea86> Xark: exactly
[13:22] <des2> I haven't had any experience with the USB version.
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[13:23] <des2> "Controlling the world with your Raspberry PI and a USB to Parallel Port adapter"
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[13:24] <Xark_> des2: Sounds like a huge book writing opportunity there... :)
[13:24] <des2> Write that book Flea and you can finance the rest of your 1990-era projects
[13:25] <Flea86> des2: lol
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[13:25] <Flea86> oh, I'm a tinkerer, not a writer :)
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[13:30] <des2> There's the cheapest dot matrix LCD display I'm aware of: 84x84: http://www.ebay.com/itm/270893164893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[13:30] <Pitel> any idea if this http://www.edupdriver.com/edup-ep-n8508-802-11n-wireless-lan-usb-ultra-mini-nano-network-adapter/ (Realtek RTL8188CUS Chipset) will work with RPi?
[13:31] * Xark_ is comforted by the warm glow of the familiar letters "Error establishing a database connection"...
[13:31] <des2> http://raspberrywifi.com/
[13:31] <des2> look at that list Pitel
[13:32] <Xark_> des2: Wow, an exclusive domain for that even. Not just a wiki page...
[13:34] <Xark_> des2: Do you know if that display is bit addressable or just character based (or perhaps some re-definable chars etc.)?
[13:34] <des2> Pitel that one uses the Realtek: RTL8188CUS
[13:34] <des2> It's bit addressable Xark
[13:34] <des2> There are videos of its use on youtube
[13:35] <des2> Nokia 5110
[13:35] <Xark_> des2: Cool. That would be decent for a cost constrained basic display.
[13:35] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctMaxAv3jsU
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[13:35] <des2> That's using it with the $4.30 TI development board
[13:37] <Flea86> hrm, that launchpad thingy's pretty cool.. }:A
[13:37] <Xark_> des2: Neat. Thanks. That seems to work great.
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[13:39] <Xark_> des2: That would be very much like the Dreamcast VMU unit to use (probably the lowest end device I have ever programed - using the "potato chip" CPU).
[13:39] * Xark_ notes that was the "memory card" that had an LCD display and a very low-end CPU.
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[13:40] <Xark_> No doubt the TI CPU is a powerhouse by comparison. Pretty slick for $5. :)
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[13:41] <Flea86> Xark: And a frugal one at that :)
[13:41] <des2> yeak looks like it Xark
[13:41] <Pitel> des2: so the RTL8188CUS should work? thanks.
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[13:42] <des2> Pitel search for RTL8188CUS drivers and the version of linux you are using
[13:43] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-3510I-Color-STN-CSTN-LCD-Module-Display-51-MCU-/200659761575?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb840f9a7
[13:43] <fragalot> *snipe*
[13:43] <des2> That's a cheap color LCD people are using
[13:43] <Pitel> Also, does anyone know if hdmi/displayport adaptors works both ways? beacus RPi is hdmi, and my LCD screen is using displayport. I found plenty of adaptor from Mac DP to HDMI, bu I don;t know if I can use them in oposit direction.
[13:44] <fragalot> Pitel: it won't even fit.
[13:44] <fragalot> wait, it will
[13:44] <fragalot> but no it won't work
[13:44] <Pitel> it will
[13:44] <fragalot> actually it might
[13:44] <Pitel> ok :(
[13:44] <fragalot> I DON'T KNOW
[13:44] <fragalot> xD
[13:44] <Pitel> :D
[13:44] <Xark_> des2: Other than adding a few dollars does color complicate the interface (obviously you need to send a few more bits to the display)?
[13:46] <fragalot> Xark_: just like you said
[13:46] <fragalot> you need to send more data to it
[13:46] <Xark_> Pitel: I have a DP monitor. AFAIK, to use HDMI -> DP you need a fairly expensive device (in an ugly box). IIRC it was like $100 or $150...
[13:46] <des2> You just need the right software for the controller.
[13:46] <Flea86> Xark: Probably needs a bit more configuring too..
[13:46] <des2> To send the right instructions
[13:47] <des2> You have an LCD screen that uses a displayport input Pitel ?
[13:47] <Pitel> des2: yes
[13:47] <Xark_> des2: The "framerate" is probably better too (at least that mono LCD was pretty old school...).
[13:47] <des2> Why Pitel ?
[13:48] <Pitel> des2: It also has dvi and d-sub inputs. I use the dvi, and the other ones are just there :)
[13:48] <Pitel> it's dell u2311h, btw
[13:49] <Xark_> Pitel: You could also consider a DVI switcher (KVM). This is probably cheaper than HDMI -> DP (and you can share the keyboard/mouse with RP).
[13:50] <des2> Here's the arduino with the Nokia 6110 color LCD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEnobIf6gH8
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[13:51] <Xark_> Pitel: As horrible as it sounds, you might also consider putting the PC on VGA (d-sub). The VGA digitization circuits do very well these days and it is hard to tell the difference from DVI for most purposes.
[13:51] <des2> Just do HDMI to DVI Patel (you'll lose the audio)
[13:51] <Xark_> des2: Yes, but he is saying the HDMI is "in use"....
[13:51] <fragalot> des2: loving the refresh rate on that mandelbrot :D
[13:51] <des2> oh oops
[13:52] <Flea86> fragalot: lol
[13:53] <Xark_> fragalot: Hehe, yeah. :)
[13:53] <Pitel> or... I'll just connect it to the TV, where it will end anyway. I just thought my working desk will be better for playing with it than my living room.
[13:53] <Xark_> fragalot: I am hoping that wasn't display limited...
[13:53] <fragalot> Xark_: it wasn't
[13:54] <des2> 16 MHz processors are slow
[13:54] <fragalot> just live calculated mandelbrot
[13:54] <fragalot> des2: atleast it's not a 16Mhz microchip
[13:54] <fragalot> buggers run at Fosc/4
[13:54] <fragalot> >.>
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[13:54] <fragalot> bbl
[13:54] <Flea86> fragalot: 16MHz PIC16 == lol
[13:54] <Xark_> fragalot: Yeah, I realize that, but even the logo "blit" was in what I would call "extreme debug mode". :)
[13:54] <fragalot> Flea86: esp when you add in ADC operations
[13:54] <fragalot> :P
[13:55] <Flea86> lol yeah
[13:55] <fragalot> Xark_: i think that WAS actual speed :P
[13:55] <fragalot> anyway bbl!
[13:55] <Xark_> fragalot: So not a gaming powerhouse there. :)
[13:56] <mdavey> How to order: http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide#Ordering
[13:56] <Xark_> mdavey: Nice! Wish that was linked from the static page. :)
[13:57] <des2> http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70229569
[13:57] <des2> Links to the wrong page on the allied site
[13:57] <des2> Should link to that page
[13:58] <mdavey> Xark_: unfortunately it wasn't possible as the links were only known to R.Pi volunteers and staff after the distributor sites wnet live.
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[13:58] <Xark_> mdavey: Just for fun I clicked on the US Newark link and it took around 30 seconds (but it worked).
[13:59] <des2> The allied link is wrong it links to the expression of interest not the order link
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[13:59] <Xark_> mdavey: Of course, I totally understand. Still, no doubt this will help people going forward.
[13:59] <des2> Above link is the direct product order link
[14:00] <mdavey> Thanks, des2. Is that same SKU valid in Canada and Mexico also?
[14:00] <des2> Don't know
[14:02] <des2> Works in Canada
[14:02] <des2> oh it's the same site on the Canada link as the US link
[14:03] <des2> YOu just change your currency
[14:04] <fragalot> i've got a mental image of the farnell & RS bosses going MOAR! WE NEED MOAR! MAKE MOAR NAO! *whip*
[14:04] <fragalot> MILLIONS! MAKE! *whip*
[14:05] <des2> I've got them picturing the $35*100,000
[14:05] <fragalot> des2: I thought that the preorders & interest registrations has passed the 2 millino mark
[14:06] <steve_rox> haha
[14:06] <des2> Maybe but 1,000,000 of those was just Xarg
[14:06] <des2> Registering at different sites
[14:06] <fragalot> lmao
[14:06] <h0llywood1> what? it's available???
[14:06] <fragalot> I wonder if the one per person applied if you ordered from all 3 sites
[14:06] <rm> I wonder if someone
[14:06] <fragalot> h0llywood1: was*
[14:06] <rm> makes a cluster out of 1000 R Pi
[14:07] <fragalot> h0llywood1: it was a bust. they decided to drop the project
[14:07] <h0llywood1> when?!? in the morning?
[14:07] <des2> 1 AM US eastern
[14:07] <rm> that would be seriously cool, even if inefficient both performance and price-wise
[14:07] <h0llywood1> whaaat? ok i need to read some news
[14:07] <fragalot> h0llywood1: earlier this week, it sold out in minutes.
[14:07] <des2> On Farnell's site
[14:07] <h0llywood1> oh ok i knew that
[14:07] <des2> RS has yet to let people order
[14:08] <h0llywood1> okok so no news since yesterday
[14:08] <fragalot> no
[14:08] <des2> They'll do so this weel according to previous 'registrations of interest'
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[14:08] * Xark_ notes BBC is all over the Raspberry Pi now. Today it is making some political news: "Raspberry Pi network plan for online free-speech role" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17231698
[14:08] <des2> lol
[14:09] <ReggieUK> oh god no
[14:09] <ReggieUK> trust someone to dumb it down straight away
[14:09] <des2> Next: MPAA slams Raspberry PI pirating tool
[14:11] <Xark_> des2: Film at 11...
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[14:12] <Xark_> des2: It doesn't have copy protection on the "secure" digital card, nor HDCP on the HDMI...burn it! :)
[14:12] <Vladdeh> Xark_: to be fair, the BBC have followed the raspberry pi quite extensively all the way through its development
[14:13] <Vladdeh> their weekly tech news show on the news channel "click" has had regular updates
[14:13] <Vladdeh> it's not a sudden "omg something new to report on"
[14:13] <Xark_> Vladdeh: No, I think they have done quite well actually. I like the BBC. :) Now the Daily Mail left a bit to be desired...
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[14:14] <des2> Here's the Arduino with a touchscreen LCD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiI_PXFF6oo&feature=related
[14:14] <Xark_> Flea86: Nite!
[14:14] <Flea86> Night! o/
[14:14] <des2> Night flea
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[14:17] <Xark_> des2: Thanks for all the links. That one looks really nice. How much for something like that?
[14:18] <des2> not sure
[14:18] <Xark_> Vladdeh: I heard that the Raspberry Pi was the #1 BBC story the other day (not too surprising, but still rather cool).
[14:19] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q11S225U6ZM&feature=related
[14:19] <des2> Check out that one.
[14:19] <Xark_> des2: I would pay 3x more for that quality of screen without thinking (vs the bog-slow color or the "old-school" LCD).
[14:19] <Xark_> des2: Not to mention touch is very handy...
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[14:19] <Vladdeh> it was, for a good part of the launch day :)
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[14:21] <des2> http://www.watterott.net/projects/msd-shield
[14:21] <Xark_> des2: That one is interesting. Like a "remote desktop" LCD. :)
[14:22] <des2> http://www.watterott.com/en/MI0283QT-2-Adapter
[14:22] <des2> 36 euro for the touch LCD
[14:22] <Xark_> des2: I guess it has a "smartgpu" but on the other end of a slow serial link, it is not too bad.
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[14:24] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, so if you went "higher end" it might add up to around $100. On budget end almost like you can "glue" a $5 LCD to some GPIO.
[14:24] <des2> FOr $3 you can get a 16x2 LCD
[14:24] <des2> Not bit mapped
[14:24] <Xark_> des2: Good for an Internet enabled pager or something I guess...
[14:25] <Xark_> des2: "top" display. :)
[14:25] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Character-LCD-Module-Display-LCM-1602-16X2-HD44780-Blue-Blacklight-/350499581767
[14:26] <Xark_> des2: Or the aforementioned humble thermostat type application of course...
[14:27] <rm> des2, can you drive that from GPIO on RPi?
[14:27] <ReggieUK> I would've thought so
[14:27] <Xark_> des2: I would have to get a 2nd RP before I would feel comfortable hardware hacking on it (it is cheap, but currently "rare" and I have some other ideas...)
[14:27] <des2> THe 16x2 is a parallel.
[14:27] <Xark_> des2: How parallel?
[14:27] <des2> So you need some type of shift register
[14:27] <ReggieUK> you can get those things down to about 4 pins to run them
[14:27] <des2> To load in the data
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: no, you don't
[14:28] <rm> I've got a couple of "LCD smartie" displays, 20x4, includes all the driving logic and plugs into USB
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: there are plenty of GPIO on Pi to run a 16x2 display
[14:28] <rm> but about $20 each
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> (or any sort of char display)
[14:28] <des2> Yeah I have a USB one I got for $10
[14:28] <des2> THe smarties are good
[14:28] <Xark_> rm: Sounds nice for the solder adverse. :)
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[14:29] <des2> That is a board that the 16x2 or 20x2 LCD plugs into and does USB interfacing
[14:29] <ReggieUK> not sure about you lot but personally I would look and see how they actually use those things on an arduino
[14:29] <ReggieUK> http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/LiquidCrystal?from=Tutorial.LCDLibrary
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[14:29] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1602-LCD-Display-USB-Edition-I-Smartie-module-PC-Case-/380415272749
[14:30] <ReggieUK> obviously it's not compatible with the PI (the lib) but it does give loads of pointers as to how to interface one with the minimal amount of pins to a pi
[14:30] <des2> $16 USB
[14:30] <Xark_> des2: In the spirit of the USB 20x2 displays, there is this type of product too: http://www.amazon.com/Lilliput-Um-70t-Screen-Monitor-Viviteq/dp/B003L9FVJM/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_0
[14:31] <des2> More expansive than the $130 tablet you showed us
[14:31] <chris_99> thats rated really poorly
[14:31] <rm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-LCD-Display-USB-Edition-I-Smartie-module-PC-Case-/380414992926
[14:31] <Xark_> des2: Well, that was a random one. I have seen them for ~$35 (but that was probably w/o touch).
[14:31] <ReggieUK> this is a great site for kit
[14:31] <ReggieUK> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Ego-China-Electronics
[14:32] <des2> That's a $16 20x4 USB display rm's got there
[14:32] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-TFT-LED-LCD-Module-A-D-Board-VGA-2AV-Function-/190571437289?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item2c5ef15ce9
[14:32] <rm> shows $20.67 for me
[14:32] <rm> but anyways
[14:32] <rm> 20x4 is quite small already
[14:32] <des2> Sorry meant $21
[14:32] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Module-Touch-Panel-Screen-PCB-Adapter-/200519609734?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eafe66d86
[14:32] <rm> I'd say you do not want to go 16x2 or 20x2
[14:33] <Xark_> rm: That is pretty slick. I could see wanting one of those on my PC... :)
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[14:34] <Matt> 20x4 is a handy size
[14:34] <ReggieUK> shipping is a bit slow from ego china but it's good kit :)
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[14:35] <des2> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-2-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-PCB-adapter-/190451748066?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c57cf0ce2
[14:35] <des2> That's a great display
[14:35] <ReggieUK> des2, yeah, the 3.2"s are much cheaper than the 3.5" on there
[14:36] <Xark_> des2: that is pretty nice for the price.
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[14:36] <rm> that's way too expensive
[14:36] <Xark_> des2: That is "easy" to interface?
[14:36] <rm> see my post: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/idea-a-cheap-colour-lcd-for-r-pi-only-22-60
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[14:36] <des2> Fairly easy
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[14:38] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-LCD-Color-Screen-Headrest-Stand-Color-Car-Monitor-Rearview-DVD-VCR-Stand-/260915936680
[14:38] <Matt> oh, are the forums back?
[14:38] <Xark_> Matt: Yep
[14:38] <des2> you can usually find it a couplf of bucks cheaper on ebay
[14:38] <ReggieUK> different types of screen though des2
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[14:39] <des2> Right that's a monitor
[14:39] <des2> That will take the RCA out
[14:39] <ReggieUK> indeed
[14:39] <Xark_> TheOpenSourcerer: I can't help but think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exidy_Sorcerer and ROMs stuffed into 8-track cases when I see your nick. :)
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[14:41] * Xark_ wonders how hideous NTSC would be on a small display. It might be OK (too small to notice the flickering etc.)
[14:42] <des2> THey're called LCD TVs :P
[14:42] <Xark_> des2: I know, and they are dirt cheap.
[14:42] <Xark_> des2: Not exactly well suited to computer displays though...
[14:42] <des2> no
[14:43] <des2> Back to 32 character wide displays
[14:43] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, but with lots of "cool" fuzziness and fringing. :)
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[14:44] <Xark_> des2: I just like the "built in" interface (and GPU acceleration). All those serial displays are painful to a game developer (9918 was bad enough). :)
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[14:45] <fragalot> so Xark_ when are you going to give me your rpi? :D
[14:45] <Xark_> Where are all the $50 HDMI 1280x720 ~6" displays when you need them?
[14:45] * fragalot awaits slaughter
[14:45] <fragalot> Xark_: yeah, all I can find are the 1920x1080 :'(
[14:46] <des2> Nice Sub $100 LCDs are sparse.
[14:46] <Henchman21> hd tv's are pretty cheap lately
[14:46] <fragalot> Henchman21: not THAT cheap though
[14:46] <Henchman21> well not too long ago the cheapest was like thousands
[14:47] <Henchman21> but im getting old and the time moves faster the older i get
[14:47] <Xark_> fragalot: You don't have one on order yet? :)
[14:47] <fragalot> Xark_: waiting for my paycheck end of next week
[14:47] <fragalot> lol
[14:47] <fragalot> I can only afford half an rpi atm
[14:47] <fragalot> the model A...
[14:47] <Xark_> fragalot: Pi by the slice. :)
[14:47] <des2> Xarg is getting one Pi from each country that's selling them.
[14:48] <Xark_> des2: Shhh....
[14:48] <fragalot> no but really, I will be getting several too
[14:48] <Henchman21> thats a lot of shipping
[14:48] <fragalot> once they allow that
[14:48] <fragalot> plenty of projects in mind that it's PERFECT for
[14:48] <fragalot> most of which everyone here probably thinks of too.
[14:49] <Henchman21> id like to get one of each
[14:49] <fragalot> a) point of sale system b) HD media center as my current one died c) NAS d)...
[14:49] <fragalot> etc
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[14:50] <des2> For a POS I'd prefer the Intel Atom boards in one of the M350 cases with an SSD
[14:50] <fragalot> des2: why the SSD?
[14:50] <des2> Speed
[14:50] <fragalot> the remote clients don't actually need to store anything
[14:50] <Tobias|> immediate startup, less noise
[14:51] <Henchman21> sdcard?
[14:51] <fragalot> the way i'm thinking of doing it is one master server, and 7 little clients
[14:51] <des2> THe POS's I've worked with run windows and actually are sort of smart terminals
[14:51] <fragalot> des2: Feel like giving me some suggestions? :P
[14:51] <des2> If you could keep everything in ram of course you don't need ssd
[14:51] <Xark_> I am not sure Pi would be ideal for POS but boot up speed from SD seems somewhat of a non-issue (15 seconds to Fedora desktop from SD - and not doubt that could be optimized).
[14:52] <Henchman21> i wouldnt use windows for one
[14:52] <Xark_> no^
[14:52] <fragalot> Xark_: it only needs to boot once a day anyway
[14:52] <Xark_> fragalot: yes, or once on power loss...
[14:52] <fragalot> Xark_: UPS.
[14:52] <des2> He's my hardware suggestions.
[14:52] <Hopsy> when can I buy a raspberrypi?
[14:52] <fragalot> Hopsy: no idea.
[14:52] <Henchman21> now
[14:53] <Tobias|> you can buy one now, afaik
[14:53] <Tobias|> When you get it is another question
[14:53] <fragalot> you can pre-order one
[14:53] <fragalot> there's a difference :P
[14:53] <Xark_> Hopsy: Now, the question is when will you receive it. Probably April/May.
[14:53] <Henchman21> just might take awhile to recieve it
[14:53] <fragalot> feck it i'm placing my order at farnell nao
[14:53] <Hopsy> and where do I need to order?
[14:53] <fragalot> >.>
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[14:53] <Hopsy> farnell is only for business users
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[14:53] <des2> http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D2700MUD-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[14:53] <fragalot> Hopsy: you can contact them via a letter to order
[14:54] <fragalot> Hopsy: look at farnell's faq
[14:54] <Hopsy> them?
[14:54] <Xark_> Hopsy: http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide#Ordering
[14:54] <Henchman21> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943
[14:54] <des2> http://www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-with-picoPSU-80-and-60W-adapter
[14:54] * Xark_ notes that URL might be suitable for the channel topic...
[14:54] <fragalot> des2: that does look neat.
[14:55] <fragalot> :O
[14:55] <fragalot> farnell's price went up to 33 euro ex 21% VAT
[14:56] <Thorn_> wtf
[14:56] <Tobias|> Hmm
[14:56] <Thorn_> so 40e excluding delivery?
[14:56] <fragalot> Thorn_: delivery is free for me
[14:56] <Tobias|> Still showing as $38 on their aus site
[14:56] <fragalot> free next-day is standard for business clients
[14:57] <fragalot> sod it i'm going to wait 'til they are back in stock
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[14:57] <Hopsy> Henchman21: I cant find that page for the Netherlands?
[14:57] <Henchman21> oh
[14:57] <Henchman21> i cant help you there
[14:57] <fragalot> Hopsy: http://nl.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185
[14:58] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide#Ordering
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[14:59] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/a0b8bd8d5a0b5717b6529976f8a6be89.png?1330783023
[14:59] <Hopsy> whats a corporate purschase card?!
[15:00] <fragalot> Not a clue.
[15:00] <fragalot> just use the first option & enter the dummy account details
[15:00] <fragalot> 3pm
[15:01] <fragalot> and i've done absolutely nothing but hone & strop my razor and shave
[15:01] <fragalot> i feel useless lol
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[15:01] <Hopsy> fragalot: there appears an other field
[15:01] <Hopsy> BTW number
[15:02] <fragalot> yes
[15:02] <Hopsy> btw = tax
[15:02] <fragalot> indeed
[15:02] <Hopsy> I dont have one?
[15:02] <fragalot> nope
[15:02] <fragalot> that's why I told you to read their faq
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[15:03] <fragalot> Hopsy: http://nl.farnell.com/images/nl_NL/pdf/Particulier_voorwaarden.doc
[15:04] <fragalot> Hopsy: http://be.farnell.com/images/nl_BE/pdf/benl_Particulier_bestellen_290908.doc
[15:04] <tobwilk> has anyone come up with some cool uses for there Rpi yet?
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[15:04] <fragalot> tobwilk: everyone.
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[15:04] <davidsingleton> good afternoon folks
[15:05] <tobwilk> hello :)
[15:05] <des2> Nah we're all using it for a media center
[15:06] <davidsingleton> just trying to get the debian image working - is this the right channel to ask q's ?
[15:06] <fragalot> davidsingleton: no. we're too jealous of you to help. :P
[15:06] <tobwilk> thats a small media centre
[15:06] <davidsingleton> :-)
[15:06] <tobwilk> it would make a cool security device
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[15:07] <tobwilk> hide it somewhere, stick microphone and cam on it, web server to view them both
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[15:08] <Xark_> davidsingleton: Trying to get the debian image to boot in a VM?
[15:08] <steve_rox> maybe they will make PI docking stations
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[15:12] <steve_rox> i thought ms was pitching touch screen before in vista7
[15:12] <steve_rox> i havent seen a large ammount of touch screen enabled lcd's readily available
[15:13] <Xark_> steve_rox: Stylus, not so much touch AFAIR
[15:13] <steve_rox> oh
[15:13] <steve_rox> im allso thinking if everyones gonna be lungeing to touch their screen with whatever to operate this metro crap , wont it fuck your back up?
[15:13] <steve_rox> constantly leaning over the desktop reaching out for the display
[15:14] <steve_rox> just a thought
[15:14] <Xark_> steve_rox: Touch screen in a tablet or phone is one thing, tough screen on a large screen gets old fast. I remember when I thought light pens were cool (hint: they are not). Your arm gets tired fast.
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[15:15] <des2> Yeah I remember when we thought we'd all be using light pens
[15:15] <steve_rox> i have back problems so its not somthing id be happy to do much of
[15:16] <steve_rox> unless you lift your entire lcd up onto your lap and use it flatways
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[15:16] <Xark_> des2: I remember when the artists were given them (this was back in the Apple ][ days), and they "loved" them. Then after a day or two, we noticed several artists had the 9" CRT monitors tipped into their lap. :) They then demanded graphics tables (which were $$$ at the time).
[15:16] <Xark_> er tablets (the old school digitization kind)
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> For those who haven't read it yet, this is brilliantly bad. http://www.news.com.au/technology/that-is-one-ugly-computer-but-its-35-bucks/story-e6frfro0-1226286309105
[15:17] <des2> http://yaps.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/surface-microsoft-table.jpg
[15:17] <des2> That's what they want to use touch for
[15:17] <des2> WHen your table is your LCD
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[15:18] <Xark_> des2: Yeah, that is different and pretty cool. The HP "touchmagic" or whatever PC, not so much. :)
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[15:19] <des2> Not many facts int hat article ShiftPlusone
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's great for a laugh
[15:19] <des2> Free keyboard and mouse!
[15:20] <lars_t_h> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/29/article-2108045-11FA0C5C000005DC-854_306x423.jpg LOLOLOL
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[15:22] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, that's a terrible article
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[15:23] <ReggieUK> makes you wonder how people actually get a job in the media, when they can't even do basic research
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[15:26] <des2> That news.com.au article was written by the 'technology reporter'
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[15:27] <ReggieUK> she should be sacked
[15:27] <ReggieUK> cos she be a moron
[15:28] <BCMM> who saw CNET's article?
[15:29] <BCMM> that's a whole "tech news" website
[15:29] <BCMM> and they managed to say "it runs on Linux's Fedora software"
[15:29] <BCMM> and get confused about what exactly RAM is iirc
[15:31] <steve_rox> makes me wonder why they are alowed to publish articals at all
[15:32] <des2> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57387959-1/raspberry-pi-retailers-swamped-by-demand/?tag=contentMain;contentBody;1n
[15:32] <des2> wrf
[15:32] <des2> "computer on a stick'
[15:32] <steve_rox> allough cnet are fucking idiots , they refered to eeepc users as nutcases
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[15:33] <des2> http://asset0.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/06/pcb_610x458.jpg
[15:37] <BCMM> des2: to be fair, they managed to get a pic of an old prototype that's USB stick sized
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[15:42] <des2> I guess when they do a stroy on the new iPad they'll be using a picture of the Newton.
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[15:46] <piless> hi
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[15:52] <neglesaks> good weekend everyone
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[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> quiet all of the sudden O_o
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[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne2> And you guys can feel free to give some feedback to the 'technology reporter' https://twitter.com/#!/clairerconnelly
[15:59] <pieman100> hi, will it be possible to connect two rpi 's together,using the general input output pins?
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> pieman100, sure, if you know what you're doing.
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> and on what you want to accomplish
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> *depends on
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[16:02] <pieman100> ShiftPlusOne2,thanks, no reason , just wondering
[16:03] <RaYmAn> pieman100: it'll probably be a lot slower than e.g. communication over ethernet :P
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[16:04] <BasketOfKittens> ship date updated from may 10th to april 3rd!!
[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> don't be surprised if it gets pushed back to late april
[16:05] <oldtopman> Sad to hear that :<
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> why sad to hear that? april comes before may.
[16:06] <BasketOfKittens> i think they newark canada ones all got bumped up
[16:06] <BasketOfKittens> my farnell order is still late april though
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> mine doesn't have any date yet =(
[16:07] <BasketOfKittens> if you ordered from newark check online, they don't tell you when the datre chagnes
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> though I ordered in the first 5 minutes
[16:07] <haltdef> I guess my registration at RS didn't go through
[16:07] <haltdef> no email
[16:07] <haltdef> gits
[16:07] <BasketOfKittens> yeah same
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh I ordered from element14 (which is the same thing), doesn't have a date yet.
[16:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and yeah, I didn't get anything from RS either
[16:08] <BasketOfKittens> rumour has it RS online had 900 (!) allocated
[16:08] <BasketOfKittens> from the first batch
[16:08] <ReggieUK> I Got an email from RS
[16:08] <BasketOfKittens> ???which is not a lot
[16:08] <piless> haltdef: They got a massive number of registrations, you need to give them some time
[16:08] <ReggieUK> thanking me for my interest
[16:08] <haltdef> yeah
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[16:08] <haltdef> they said the emails would be sent out by the end of yesterday though, makes me think mine just didn't get through
[16:08] <haltdef> I'm gonna wait to see what they do before preordering with farnell anyway
[16:09] <piless> I never actually got any mailing list email from the foundation.. That kind of irked me.
[16:09] <BasketOfKittens> yeah same
[16:09] <BasketOfKittens> eh
[16:09] <haltdef> their mailing list was a huge waste of time
[16:09] <ReggieUK> people need to be careful ordering on farnell, or at least be sure that's what you want, they don't take too kindly if they get your stock together and you don't want it
[16:09] <BasketOfKittens> whatever, if you really cared you paid close attention to their twitter/main site anyways
[16:10] <BasketOfKittens> who wouldn't want a pi?
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[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, hello, managed to get qemu working?
[16:10] <mkopack> Hey gang
[16:10] <mkopack> Shift: Unfortunately I had to get back to focusing on my GFX assignment for grad school???
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[16:10] <mkopack> NEARLY done with it, just 1 stupid bug I can't figure out in the final transformation.
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yes... damn grad school.... getting you to actually do something productive >=/
[16:11] <mkopack> then I need to do back face removal
[16:11] <piless> face removal?!
[16:11] <mkopack> Yeah,bastards!
[16:11] <mkopack> Backface removal of 3D models
[16:11] <haltdef> I think you should remove your front face too
[16:11] <haltdef> o
[16:12] <piless> Oh, not plastic surgery?
[16:12] <mkopack> no??? lol
[16:13] <mkopack> Shift: I might get back to the QEMU stuff tonight or tomorrow???
[16:13] <mkopack> Getting down to the end of the quarter and have like 4 assignments due between now and then
[16:15] <pieman100> will I be able to watch live television over the internet with the rpi model b,? (therefore a tv license is needed)
[16:15] <IT_Sean> pieman100, w/ a USB TV tuner, and the right drivers & software... ...
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> pieman100, no
[16:15] <piless> IT_Sean: He said over the internet
[16:15] <IT_Sean> Ahh, then no
[16:15] <IT_Sean> Not over the innernet
[16:16] <haltdef> only issue I see is mpeg2 not being accelerated
[16:16] <haltdef> ARM might just be powerful enough to do mpeg2 sd
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[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> pieman100, that's not a hard no though... it's more of a "really unlikely"
[16:16] <pieman100> thanks
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> and as for USB TV tuner.... that's still a no, since that would need mpeg2 decoding.
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[16:17] <piless> what if raspis got mpeg2 licenses in the future, would it work then?
[16:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I think so
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[16:18] <piless> Reckon anyone will hack together an illegal implementation? :P
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> some people are confident that it will happen
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see it happening
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[16:25] <piofcube> The annoying thing is many people will already have paid licenses to use certain encoding/decoding software/standards
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[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean?
[16:26] <piofcube> I've paid around 5 times now for a license to encode and transmit MP3s
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> aren't those on a per device basis?
[16:26] <piofcube> Not the ones I've got
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[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[16:27] <piless> piofcube: lame?
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm.... Farnell also says "Linux's Fedora software" =/
[16:29] <piofcube> For example... I have a license to broadcast and encode MP3 files... I have one from winamp/shoutcast and others from other "vendors". These are not tied to any device so, I should be able to use the R-Pi to do this... I know it's not the same a the licensing required for the binary blobs because they aren't going to send me a specifically written blob just for me LOL
[16:29] <piless> piofcube: Just use lame
[16:30] <piofcube> piless: It was more a general comment that people will possibly already have paid non-device specific licenses to use other formats such as video.
[16:32] <popey> people _pay_ for those licenses?
[16:32] <piofcube> They are cheap enough... I have an unlimited MP3 licence and it cost me ??5
[16:32] <popey> golly
[16:32] <rm> Farnell sent me an invitation to preorder
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I think MPEG gave up on going after MP3 related infringments anyway
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[16:32] <piless> http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html
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[16:33] <piofcube> Sometimes you might find that video/audio software also has such licenses.
[16:34] <mkopack> God, I remember when I worked at IBM's Multimedia dept and they had 2 HUGE (like think small kitchen fridge) computers to do MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 encoding??? And it would take those machines ALL DAY to encode 1 hour of video
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[16:34] <mkopack> At Standard Def no less!
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[16:34] <piofcube> mkopack: Yeah LOL
[16:34] <piless> mkopack: 200 years ago
[16:34] <mkopack> 1998 actually
[16:35] <piless> mkopack: more or less the same thing
[16:35] <piofcube> They had spinning blocks of stone with chisels for r/w heads ;-)
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[16:35] <mkopack> in internet time, yeah??? about the same
[16:35] <piofcube> Click of death? No... just a blunt tool LOL
[16:36] <mkopack> I was actually in the paper today??? A reported came to our Atlanta Hobby Robot Club meeting last month, talked with some of us and took pictures
[16:36] <piofcube> mkopack: Cool! Which paper?
[16:37] <mkopack> Just a local township paper??? hold on, I'll get the link
[16:37] <piofcube> Great
[16:37] <mkopack> http://www.hometownnewsatlanta.com/sites/all/files/mar2012/swf/NN/index.html#/16/
[16:37] <mkopack> I'm the bottom right pic
[16:38] <piofcube> That Kirk Charles looks like my old chemistry teacher from school LOL
[16:38] <mkopack> Yeah, he's up??? interesting
[16:39] <mkopack> um
[16:39] <piofcube> That's actually a very good setup the paper has... Better than many have
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[16:40] <mkopack> Just wish I'd get done with damn school work so I could actually WORK on my robot
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[16:41] <mkopack> I have the hardware about 90% done, but have had ZERO time to work on the software for the various events
[16:42] <piofcube> I bet the reporter asked you to look as if you are doing something very technical... perhaps hold a screw driver as if you are fixing it. ;-)
[16:42] <mkopack> He snapped a bunch of pics, I guess that was just one of the more interesting ones he snapped
[16:42] <piless> mkopack: Did they just use comic sans as a header font?!
[16:42] <mkopack> I was trying to get my PID control working during the meeting...
[16:43] <mkopack> It's a tiny local paper that comes out monthly???. They're VERY low budget :)
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[16:43] <piofcube> piless: LOL... I do agree that people do over-use that font but as long as it's not the whole body of text, I don't mind LOL
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[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I think everything should be in comic sans
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> always
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what does the robot do?
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> or supposed to do
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[16:53] <mkopack> The club I'm in does a competition every fall??? There's like 7 events: simple and advanced line following, maze solving (of a line maze), dead reckoning, beacon finding both with and without obstacles, and bulldozer (clean a table off that has several PVC pipes on it)
[16:53] <mkopack> There's also a sumo bot event (which I don't do) and a head to head competition to collect up the most colored blocks in a given time (we do that one via RC. My bot doesn't do that one.)
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> initial tests of Chromium OS on arm 256mb ram seem fairly positive
[17:09] <ReggieUK> good work hexxeh
[17:09] <ReggieUK> define positive
[17:09] <Hexxeh> unaccel graphics due to qemu
[17:09] <Hexxeh> but things don't feel /too/ slow
[17:09] <Hexxeh> i'd say usable
[17:09] <ReggieUK> what screen res?
[17:09] <Hexxeh> sadly this build is totally frankenbuild and not easily repeatable/updatable because of toolchain issues
[17:10] <Hexxeh> 1280x1024 currently
[17:10] <ReggieUK> ha, yeah, toolchains, don't you just love them?
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[17:10] <Hexxeh> reserving a special place in hell for glib
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[17:11] <ReggieUK> ha again, glib, shudder
[17:11] <ReggieUK> I've seen one vendor compile a specific bit of it only and then do everything else iwth uclibc
[17:12] <Hopsy> hey can I ask something
[17:12] <Hopsy> what makes the hp z800 so expensive?
[17:12] <Hopsy> its like 4 thousands euro
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[17:14] <ReggieUK> no idea tbh, doesn't look like that much of a machine on the face of it
[17:15] <Hexxeh> crossdev seems totally hopeless under the cros chroot for building a toolchain btw
[17:16] <Hexxeh> i can't get anything usable out of it for armv6
[17:16] <Hexxeh> ended up having to hack another toolchain in
[17:16] <Hexxeh> not something that's an upstreamable solution
[17:16] <ReggieUK> :/
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[17:17] <ReggieUK> random hack build systems don't tend to gain much traction either
[17:17] <ReggieUK> depending how many incantations you have to utter to get the thing to work
[17:17] <Hexxeh> Error: lo register required -- `add pc,r3,#(0xffff0fc0-0xffff0fff)'
[17:18] <Hexxeh> that's what every crossdev v6 build spits out when building glibc
[17:18] <Hexxeh> if someone can cross that hurdle
[17:18] <Hexxeh> getting everything else to build is trivial
[17:18] <Hexxeh> and i'm happy to upstream the changes into the official cros repos
[17:18] <Hexxeh> then provide regular builds an updates
[17:18] <Hexxeh> but as it stands it's not easily automatable
[17:19] <ReggieUK> way beyond my capabilities
[17:19] <ReggieUK> but devs are like busses round here it seems
[17:19] <ReggieUK> there'll be one along any minute :)
[17:19] <piless> annnny minute
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[17:21] <Hexxeh> aaaargh, hate it when i accidentally autocomplete and try to open a several hundred MB file with a text editor
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[17:24] * lars_t_h gusessing Hexxeh alignment requirement, 32-bit boundary ?
[17:25] <Hexxeh> it's thumb related
[17:25] <Hexxeh> i know that much
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[17:25] <lars_t_h> ok
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[17:31] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, I build glibc fine with several configs in crossdev
[17:32] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: I couldn't even get it working under normal Gentoo, gcc file collisions
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[17:32] <DaQatz> The file collision is in the "fake enviro"
[17:32] <DaQatz> It's safe to over write those files
[17:32] <Hexxeh> something odd is happening inside the cros chroot then
[17:33] <Hexxeh> it gets past that point
[17:33] <Hexxeh> but the instruction it fails on with the assembler doesn't make sense
[17:34] <Hexxeh> i encourage you to download the cros chroot and try it yourself if you think you can fix it
[17:34] <Hexxeh> it's not too big a download if you get the minilayout
[17:34] <Hexxeh> i'm even happy to provide a temporary box for you to work on if required
[17:34] <DaQatz> It looks like it may be doing a THUMB add of 32 bit numbers..
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[17:35] <DaQatz> THUMB is 16bit
[17:35] <Hexxeh> Yeah
[17:35] * aditsu is happy to be reassured that gentoo users/devs will work out the issues regarding compiling for the RPi very soon after, or probably even before, he receives the delivery
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[17:36] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: Isn't that not quite the case with Thumb-2?
[17:36] <Hexxeh> I know the RasPi doesn't support that, though
[17:37] <DaQatz> Truth is I'm not overly familier with thumb2
[17:37] <DaQatz> Most my arm asm has been done before it.
[17:39] <DaQatz> thumb2 is a hybrid 16/32 it seems
[17:40] <DaQatz> I personally suggest building your tools in a normal gentoo root. And just make your arm chroot hardend.
[17:41] <DaQatz> Allow it to overwrite what is in the chroot, because while it build it's tools it litters the chroot with orphan files.
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[17:57] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: Where does crossdev pull use flags from?
[17:57] <Hexxeh> It's finding a thumb use flag from nowhere, I'm trying to get rid of that to see if it helps
[17:57] <Hexxeh> I think parts of the crossdev process are disagreeing on that flag
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> hey all, just found a case for the pi, looks like a perfect balance between price and aesthetics
[18:03] <ReggieUK> http://images.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/30/006330.jpg
[18:04] <ReggieUK> and if you want a slimline case:
[18:04] <ReggieUK> http://mundabor.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/philadelphia1.jpg
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[18:05] <SpeedEvil> Just carve a case from cheddar.
[18:06] <ReggieUK> yeah, I was hoping for something with less likelyhood to smell of cheese coming from your general groin area if you slipped it in a pocket
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[18:08] <ReggieUK> perhaps we should approach packaging design companies, see if they can make a 200g philadelphia tub that could be used reused for pi cases, with appropriate markings on teh side
[18:08] <ReggieUK> it's a win all round
[18:08] <ReggieUK> we get reusable packaging, they help to save the planet :D
[18:08] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, /usr/*tuple*/etc/portage
[18:09] <ReggieUK> not the *tuple*'s
[18:09] <DaQatz> /usr/armv6zkeb-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/etc/portage/make.conf
[18:09] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: No make.conf there, but it's still getting hardened from somewhere
[18:09] <DaQatz> On my system
[18:09] <DaQatz> The chroot has a profile link
[18:09] <ReggieUK> wow, that's quite a long tuple there DaQatz!
[18:10] <ReggieUK> whats the zkeb bit mean?
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[18:10] <DaQatz> armzk base cpu eb for big endian
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[18:11] <ReggieUK> ahhh, thanks :)
[18:11] <DaQatz> /usr/*tuple*/etc/make.profile <-- check that link
[18:12] <DaQatz> See what profile you are using
[18:12] <Hexxeh> broken symlink
[18:12] <DaQatz> \Oh....
[18:12] <Hexxeh> The thing is
[18:12] <Hexxeh> By default, it doesn't build a toolchain
[18:12] <Hexxeh> Defaults to usepkg
[18:12] <Hexxeh> :/
[18:13] <DaQatz> Fix your symlink
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[18:14] <Hexxeh> What's a good default to use?
[18:14] <Hexxeh> make.globals is a broken symlink too
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[18:15] <merlin1991> wtf DaQatz?
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[18:15] <DaQatz> I use /usr/portage/profiles/default/arm/10.0
[18:15] <merlin1991> I'm reffering to your ctcp :D
[18:15] <Hexxeh> my chroot is absolutely nuked
[18:15] <Hexxeh> lemme recreate it
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[18:16] <DaQatz> /usr/share/portage/config/make.globals for globals link
[18:16] <Hexxeh> might be because i was hacking my chroot to death, gonna try a fresh one
[18:16] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, profile link survives new chroot
[18:16] <DaQatz> crossdev resues
[18:16] <Hexxeh> no, the entire gentoo chroot
[18:16] <DaQatz> Oh
[18:17] <Hexxeh> host is debian
[18:17] <DaQatz> yeah that may help
[18:17] <Hexxeh> just run cros_sdk --delete && cros_sdk and you get a fresh gentoo environment in a few minutes
[18:17] <Hexxeh> it's handy
[18:17] <DaQatz> Yeah gentoo is handy that way easy to build a simple root in it
[18:17] <Hexxeh> the setup_board tool passes --without_headers
[18:17] <Hexxeh> that might explain why it's not hitting the error?
[18:18] <Hexxeh> it builds glibc separately later
[18:18] <DaQatz> Not sure why it's not erroring
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[18:24] <Hexxeh> okay, so, new root
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[18:26] <Hexxeh> arm/10.0 isn't there
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[18:33] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, your root is incomlete
[18:33] <DaQatz> incomplete*
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[18:35] <DaQatz> full gentoo has /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/arm/10.0
[18:35] <DaQatz> Profile
[18:35] <Hexxeh> ah, linux, was missing from the original path
[18:35] <DaQatz> May want to dl a stage three and add that profile to your chroot
[18:36] <DaQatz> Oh?
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[18:37] <Hexxeh> I think it might work if I can just get rid of this thumb flag
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[18:37] <DaQatz> No hardend arm profile I see
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[18:41] <Hexxeh> Anything you can spot here that'd leak flags from the host? http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/crosutils.git;a=blob;f=setup_board;h=252f88865e811d979876a0d42caa3e7395932183;hb=HEAD
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[18:46] <DaQatz> I see nothing even arm related in there
[18:46] <DaQatz> Though I see the make.conf etc... may not be where crossdev normally puts it.
[18:47] <Hexxeh> If you want to take a look I can give you access to a server with a chroot already setup
[18:47] <DaQatz> Though those files look more like a stage1 bootstrap
[18:47] <Hexxeh> Well it uses a board overlay along with that script
[18:47] <Hexxeh> Lemme find an example
[18:48] <Hexxeh> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=tree;f=overlay-arm-generic;h=f18acf271787cea0e414cd2870c956fdd13d4676;hb=HEAD
[18:48] <DaQatz> I can see that much, but the info for the board is not in that file.
[18:48] <Hexxeh> There's a make.conf and toolchain.conf with each board overlay
[18:49] <DaQatz> Hmm
[18:49] <DaQatz> Pretty simple
[18:49] <DaQatz> May want to make your own
[18:49] <Hexxeh> Own what?
[18:49] <Hexxeh> Board overlay?
[18:49] <Hexxeh> I've done that, overlay-raspberrypi
[18:49] <Hexxeh> Appropriate toolchain.conf and make.conf setup
[18:49] <DaQatz> Nods
[18:51] <DaQatz> If you have a new non hardend chroot. Try to build your tools again. If it complains about overwriting files let it over write them.
[18:51] <DaQatz> the /usr/*tuple* dir is filled with orphans
[18:51] <DaQatz> And that's where it installs things
[18:52] <Hexxeh> Just noticed my overlay was missing a profiles/base
[18:52] <Hexxeh> profiles/base/parent even
[18:52] <DaQatz> Oi
[18:52] <Hexxeh> copied the defaults from the tegra2 board, maybe that'll fix it
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[18:52] <Hexxeh> but there are two chroots in play here
[18:52] <Hexxeh> which are you saying shouldn't be hardened?
[18:52] <Hexxeh> there's the build chroot, and the board chroot
[18:53] <Hexxeh> i can't build the board chroot because there's no working toolchain
[18:53] <DaQatz> When you do crossdev it creates it
[18:53] <DaQatz> by the time it's doing glibc you haave a compiler and a chroot
[18:53] <DaQatz> for the board
[18:54] <Hexxeh> Not seeing anything in /boards
[18:54] <Hexxeh> :/
[18:54] <DaQatz> Well a compiler anyway
[18:54] <Hexxeh> That's where they usually go
[18:54] <Hexxeh> Yeah
[18:54] <Hexxeh> I have a compiler
[18:54] <DaQatz> look in /usr/*tuple*
[18:54] <Hexxeh> but the compiler isn't in the board chroot
[18:54] <DaQatz> crossdev defaalts to there
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[18:54] <DaQatz> No the compiler is not
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[18:58] <Hexxeh> but the compiler is being built --with-thumb still :/
[18:58] <DaQatz> ...
[18:59] <DaQatz> The cpu does support thumb just not sure about thumb2
[18:59] <Hexxeh> Doesn't the thumb use flag == thumb2?
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[19:03] <DaQatz> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/Babgbeed.html
[19:03] <DaQatz> Yep no thumb-2
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[19:41] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: How do I get it to ignore collisions?
[19:41] <Hexxeh> Gonna try to build on a near identical but plain Gentoo system then drop the chroot into /usr
[19:42] <DaQatz> Hmmm crossdev on my system warns about them and gives the option to abort
[19:42] <DaQatz> But otherwise overwrites
[19:42] <DaQatz> Is it a collision of orphaned files?
[19:43] <DaQatz> Or are 2 packages claiming the same file?
[19:43] <Hexxeh> i'll run again and check
[19:44] <Hexxeh> i think it's definitely this thumb use flag that's killing it
[19:45] <Hexxeh> it doesn't appear on a plain gentoo system
[19:45] <Hexxeh> but it does no matter what i do on the cros root
[19:45] <Hexxeh> i bet if you enabled thumb on gentoo, it'd fail there too
[19:45] <DaQatz> Hmm
[19:45] <DaQatz> It may, but I didn't enable it so.
[19:45] <Hexxeh> i've not enabled it purposefully on cros
[19:45] <DaQatz> Either way should know the diff from thumb and thumb2....
[19:46] <Hexxeh> it's pulling it in from somewhere
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[19:55] <lars_t_h> wow - i am looking at Amazon with the search text "hdmi to vga adapter" - they are really very inexpensive
[19:56] <ahven> err, are you sure they are the right things, link perhaps?
[19:56] <ahven> usually they tend to be on the $50-100 side
[19:58] <lars_t_h> ahven, no link, soory - i am logged in into Amzon.co.uk, just do you own search
[19:58] <lars_t_h> *sorry
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[19:59] <lars_t_h> RS Comonemts had posted this tweet: If you have questions about your @Raspberry_PI confimation email, we've updated our FAQ page;
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[20:00] <lars_t_h> http://t.co/eLc7o26y
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[20:02] <ReggieUK> wow, I Thought all the whining about the pi launch was done but no, the blog is getting loads of bitches
[20:02] <ReggieUK> bitches still*
[20:02] <ReggieUK> Amazing seeing 'mericans complaining about shipping costs, ho ho ho :D
[20:03] <DDave> fuck me
[20:03] <DDave> 7e to get the rasppi shippe dto germany
[20:03] <DDave> can you believe it? RS has a german selling point.
[20:03] <ReggieUK> or that farnells local uzbekistan office didn't know what a PI was when someone called them
[20:03] <DDave> farnell*
[20:04] <ReggieUK> I really dont care how my kit gets to me but a company like farnell probably aren't that into chucking my pi in a jiffy bag and letting the post office have a go at delivering it
[20:04] <DDave> true.. well atleast it wont be broken on arrival
[20:05] <ReggieUK> I'd be happy for my device to get to me properly than hope it makes it through random local postal services
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[20:05] <flaushy> yepe and with about 7 pis shipping is free at farnell
[20:06] <ReggieUK> + shipping is the price we have to pay for sitting on our arses and ordering from t'internet
[20:06] <DDave> +1
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[20:06] <DDave> i aint gonna drive to the UK for a rasp :D
[20:07] <flaushy> but would be a lovely reason for a uk trip :)
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[20:07] <ukscone> ReggieUK: do you think you could organise a small riot right by the Farnell & RS warehouses? you start the riot and i'll organise the looting
[20:07] <DDave> :p
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[20:12] <ReggieUK> :D
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[20:34] <GabrialDestruir> I just realized... there's a perfectly legitimate though unsavory reason that farnell would ignore my email. If they have to acknowledge that they screwed up with the allocation of stock for one person, then they'd have to pay someone to go through each and every Pi sale and make sure there were no others....
[20:34] <GabrialDestruir> which would cost money so therefore they'd avoid it
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[20:39] <samfisher> wow
[20:39] <samfisher> big chan here. hello!
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[20:40] <samfisher> I have some questions about R-pi. How could I make a small computer to be used on mountain expeditions? So far, I just need a finger mouse, a small keyboard and a usb hub. But what LCD should I use and more important, where do I get the power from?
[20:41] <samfisher> I saw those 10" LCD's that guys said about on the forum but I need a power source.
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well.... you can either carry around a huge solar panel with you....
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> or you'll have to resort to using the equivalent of say, a laptop battery
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> That is, if you want any sort of decent life span.
[20:44] <samfisher> A laptop battery sounds fair enough. Do I need any DIY mods?
[20:44] <samfisher> soldering, ironing?
[20:45] <oldtopman> samfisher: You'll need to open it and break out the main + and - leads.
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[20:45] <SpeedEvil> samfisher: In general, a laptop is a better solution.
[20:45] <oldtopman> And you'll need a means to charge it. I use an R/C car battery charger on mine (a stupid one), but the laptop itself is probably a better idea.
[20:46] <samfisher> SpeedEvil: a laptop costs more than 125 buks and is heavier
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> samfisher: No, it doesn't.
[20:46] <samfisher> SpeedEvil: where
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Toshiba-Portege-3110-CT-14-years-old-A1-Condition-FULLY-Working-/190644710004?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item2c634f6a74
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> This is about as fast as the pi.
[20:47] <samfisher> hmm
[20:47] <samfisher> but is bulkier
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> It's not.
[20:48] <DaQatz> SpeedEvil, Umm it's much slower
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> That is about A4 sized, and 20mm thick
[20:48] <oldtopman> SpeedEvil: You can't just make arbitary speed comarisons though >.>
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> DaQatz: It depends. If you can use the GPU, it's much slower.
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> And that too.
[20:48] <DaQatz> Ignore the gpu
[20:48] <DaQatz> Lets say there are NO gpu's
[20:48] <DaQatz> It's musch slower
[20:49] <oldtopman> I mean, yes it's the same speed, but pi software is optimized for a slow comp. Desktop software is designed for faster things.
[20:49] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-color-barnes-noble/1100437663?cm_mmc=Redirect-_-nookcolor-_-Storefront-_-nookcolor.com
[20:49] <GabrialDestruir> Just go with that
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Pi software is not optimised for slow stuff
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Anyway.
[20:49] <DaQatz> arm11 compares "well" to x86 mhz mhz. Poorly in floats and dividing though.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Making a laptop from a Pi is more expensive and annoyng thatn you might think.
[20:50] <samfisher> GabrialDestruir: Nook is android based?
[20:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[20:50] <DaQatz> Raw integralan arm11 can sometimes beat some x86
[20:50] <GabrialDestruir> You can toss an SD card in and run CM9
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Case - say $30. Keyboard $10, LCD interface, $30, LCD, $30, power supply, $20, battery charger $20, mouse $10, ...
[20:50] <DaQatz> integral math*
[20:51] <GabrialDestruir> or pretty sure they have a ubuntu port
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> And this is if you are skilled enough to attach all the parts together.
[20:51] <gomiboy> I recently bought a toshiba ac100 (arm, tegra2) for about 100 euros, new
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[20:52] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise it gets more expensive
[20:53] <GabrialDestruir> What exactly is it you need it to do?
[20:54] <samfisher> I want a solution for a device I can carry on mountains and use it mostly for internet: reading RSS feeds, thunderbird, pidgin (with X11 forwarding)
[20:55] <samfisher> google maps, taking ebooks from my server and convert them to kindle
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Basically, a Pi solution will end up heavier, less relible, and perhaps more expensive.
[20:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, and the internet thing is a whole other issue
[20:55] <samfisher> I was thinking of using a USB modem
[20:55] <samfisher> 3G
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[20:57] <samfisher> if i have to buy a laptopl i'll buy one with more power... like 2GB of ram
[20:57] <samfisher> so i won't be ashamed of opening it at mcdonald's
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[20:58] <DaQatz> Sup Sean
[20:58] <samfisher> ipads and android tablets are not the best option since the lack the apps I need
[20:58] <IT_Sean> hey DaQatz
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[20:59] <DaQatz> Hmmm
[20:59] <DaQatz> I should go archive the bots logs and wipe them.
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[20:59] <samfisher> and I want to attack this while camping: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-AIPTEK-T15-POCKET-CINEMA-PICO-POCKET-MINI-PROJECTOR-UPTO-50-/170770497275?pt=UK_AudiVideoElectronics_Video_Electronics&hash=item27c2b6fefb
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[20:59] <kieferz> instead of that
[21:00] <kieferz> how about a device that can expand itself infinitely and become a tent you can sleep in
[21:01] <DaQatz> Logs arched and wiped
[21:01] <chris_99> how about this one instead samfisher http://www.microvision.com/showwxplus/
[21:01] <chris_99> it uses freakin' LASERS
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[21:02] <SpeedEvil> samfisher: Use a linux tablet.
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[21:05] <samfisher> kendrick: if i can get one from NSACIA i'll take it
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[21:05] <samfisher> SpeedEvil: what linux tablet?
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> samfisher: Or an eeepc
[21:05] <samfisher> chris_99: can't find the cost
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir|> Oh wow there's almost four hundred people here.
[21:06] <chris_99> around ?240 i think samfisher
[21:07] <AidyFS> most of us are probably geeks, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as people :)
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[21:08] <GabrialDestruir|> If all he wants is web browsing any android tablet would work the issue then is internet connection
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[21:09] <samfisher> GabrialDestruir: no, i need SSH forwarding and a console
[21:10] <GabrialDestruir|> Pretty sure that android could do both those with the right setup
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[21:11] <nuil> samfisher: with bubblessh you are able to do portforwarding
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[21:13] <GabrialDestruir|> Any seven inch android tablet will probably be a cheaper solution in the long run.
[21:13] * IT_Sean kicks the forum
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[21:14] <fortpark> !op
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir|> At the very least they're light weight and already have a compact form factor.
[21:14] <IT_Sean> fortpark... ... ?
[21:15] <fortpark> is there an accelerated video driver yet
[21:16] <fragalot> HARPDARP
[21:16] <fragalot> fortpark: i'd imagine so?
[21:16] <fortpark> i mean accelerated
[21:16] <fortpark> not framebuffer
[21:16] <fragalot> fortpark: ydiw.... -- IT_Sean, can haz opz?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> No.
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[21:17] <GabrialDestruir|> Anyways my question is what kind of mountains do you chill out in that have 3G
[21:17] <fragalot> IT_Sean: :P
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[21:17] <IT_Sean> you can :p all you want. The answer is still no.
[21:17] <fragalot> I didn't really expect it if i'm honest
[21:17] <fragalot> nor do I care
[21:18] <fortpark> can i have ops
[21:18] <fortpark> i want to feel important and dictatorial
[21:18] <fragalot> lol
[21:18] <IT_Sean> fortpark, no.
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[21:18] <fortpark> fine ill register ##raspberrypi then troll this channel until its invite only
[21:18] <fortpark> W000000000000T
[21:18] <Out`Of`Control> fortpark you can have troll mode :D
[21:18] <fragalot> What have I done >.<
[21:19] <lars_t_h> 8) you can still buy a matching printer for a Pi (a matrix printer)
[21:19] * ComputeristGeek sets +troll fortpark
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir|> -v
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir|> Lol
[21:19] <fortpark> once its invite and register only
[21:19] <fortpark> it will die
[21:19] <DaQatz> !channel
[21:19] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-bots #raspberrypi-owners
[21:19] <Thorn_> #raspberrypi-boners
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[21:19] <DaQatz> owners is invite only
[21:19] <Reventlov> #raspberrypi-owners
[21:19] <Reventlov> I will find theme
[21:19] <DaQatz> Someone beat you to that troll
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[21:20] <Thorn_> oh
[21:20] <nuil> :D
[21:20] <Reventlov> and rob them
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[21:20] <EiNSTeiN_> what is this invite only channel, I feel excluded
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[21:20] <fortpark> im going to buy a raspberry pi
[21:20] <IT_Sean> it's for raspi owners
[21:20] <EiNSTeiN_> that's not how you bouild a community
[21:20] <EiNSTeiN_> build*
[21:21] <DaQatz> I think IT_Sean is able to self invite into that room.
[21:21] <fortpark> after it gets an accelerated video driver :)
[21:21] <DDave> IT_Sean: how do you confirm you own a rasppi?
[21:21] <EiNSTeiN_> IT_Sean: yep, got that, but why is it invite only
[21:21] <fortpark> and once its not 55 dolars
[21:21] <DaQatz> Nope
[21:21] <DaQatz> Sean is not oin that list =P
[21:21] * IT_Sean should be
[21:21] <DaQatz> Wait
[21:21] <DaQatz> is Ult_Ubuntu you?
[21:21] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir|> You have to video upload your ownership
[21:22] <DaQatz> Ah ok then you can self invite
[21:22] <convolution> guys
[21:22] <DDave> GabrialDestruirare you fucking kidding me?
[21:22] <fortpark> i want to position myself as a father figure for a burgeoning community
[21:22] <mjr> making an exclusive owners' club... bad idea
[21:22] <fortpark> a benevolent dictator if you will
[21:22] <convolution> is possible to use raspberry pi as a gateway from a usb tv card to an udp streaming?
[21:22] <fortpark> can you help me in my dream
[21:23] <fortpark> maybe one has some tips for me?
[21:23] <Matt> that'll probably depend on the tv card
[21:23] <IT_Sean> DDave, GabrialDestruir| does not speak for the IRC team.
[21:23] * GabrialDestruir| Assasinates fortpark before he rises to power
[21:23] <DaQatz> Major reason it's closed atm, being used for op control, no owners yet, and it's not pg13 so keeps youngins out.
[21:23] <DDave> I know ;)
[21:23] <mjr> convolution, hmm. I wonder if the USB bandwidth will be enough, with overheads and all, for a dvb mux and the restreaming over ethernet
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir|> No I dont
[21:24] <DDave> ok so
[21:24] <DDave> we need to videotape the rasppi
[21:24] <DDave> and our ID card
[21:24] <DDave> :D
[21:24] <DDave> so we can prove were PG14
[21:24] <DDave> :D
[21:24] <DDave> PG13*
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir|> Lol
[21:24] <DDave> amirite?
[21:24] <fortpark> papierren bitte
[21:24] <piless_> mjr: the ethernet uses part of the usb bandwidth I think
[21:24] <DDave> fortpark: LOOOOOL :D
[21:24] <mjr> piless_, exactly
[21:24] <DDave> NEIN NEIN NEIN!
[21:24] <nuil> maybe make a channel raspberrypi-eu
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Streaming TV from a USB source is going to be... ... less than ideal
[21:24] <DDave> nuil: f?r uns EUURROP??????ER ? :D
[21:25] <fortpark> fracture the community before it even starts, everyone register at least 3 raspberry pi channels
[21:25] <nuil> jaaarrr
[21:25] <mjr> convolution, doesn't sound like you should trust being able to do that, but by all means try ;]
[21:25] <fortpark> suggestions are #raspi-hack #raspi-gamedev #raspi-webdev #raspi-linux
[21:25] <fortpark> etc
[21:25] <IT_Sean> fortpark... you are bordering on troll.
[21:25] <nuil> DDave: and for those who do not care about pg-13
[21:25] <DDave> nuil: jawooohl!
[21:25] <DDave> but its not a good idea guys
[21:25] <nuil> #raspbi-windows
[21:25] <fortpark> VUNDERBAR
[21:25] <DDave> i mean, were splitting the community
[21:25] <DDave> :D
[21:25] <fortpark> raspberry bisexual?
[21:25] <nuil> #rapi-macos
[21:26] <DDave> #raspi-dos
[21:26] <fragalot> raspberry jam
[21:26] <mjr> nuil, too bad I can't make a joke about that on this channel
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv [deXter] AndyJS Ben64 brougham
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv ChrisLenz conra Cru drazyl
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv EspadaV8 fifer fragalot GabrialDestruir
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv Guest12039 heymaster intelminer ironzorg
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv ivan`` Jettis KaiNeR Karmaon
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv kendrick kilohelo KrisW Kuba
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv Kushan Matt MBS medik
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv merlin1991 mikey_w mwschib n1x0n
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv nirokato parus pdp7 peteyg
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv phantomcircuit ppo2 rely rikai
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv rudebwoy rvalles saua skilz
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv Space_Man tr-808 tsenyk unkle_george
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv Vir2L WASDx wej Xark_
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +vvvv xilet yanu Yesh zabomber
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[21:26] <Matt> that's a lot of +v
[21:26] <fragalot> eye spy a -m coming up
[21:26] <fortpark> sean has passed the test so far
[21:26] <DDave> IT_Sean: do you have anything to do with the actual foundation?
[21:26] <fragalot> +m*
[21:26] <nuil> mjr: see, we need a > pg-13 channel
[21:26] <Matt> why not just use +q?
[21:26] <fortpark> oh god but people are starting to question him
[21:26] * IT_Sean sets mode +m
[21:26] <piless_> ?
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir|> Dos on pi? I see that going over like a ton of bricks.
[21:27] <DDave> :D
[21:27] <fragalot> Matt: could be IT_Sean not knowing about +q beeing supported on freenode
[21:27] <piless_> DDave: This is an "unofficial" discussion channel
[21:27] <DDave> Ok sir!
[21:27] <fragalot> hell, I keep forgetting too.
[21:27] <DDave> :)
[21:27] <fragalot> piless_: even an unofficial channel can be run by an official rep
[21:27] * mjr didn't know about Freenode doing +q[uiet, I presume]
[21:27] <fortpark> they should have said 55 dollar computer
[21:27] <mjr> good feature though
[21:27] <IT_Sean> fragalot, i know quite well how freenode works. i''ve been running channels on this network for a decade.
[21:28] <Matt> only a decade? :)
[21:28] <IT_Sean> at minimum
[21:28] <Matt> then again, when was the last name change?
[21:28] <fragalot> IT_Sean: so you know that by what you just did, any new visitor won't be able to talk until you come online again?
[21:28] * Matt forgets when it went from openprojects to freenode
[21:28] <nuil> PiBot: are you here?
[21:28] <convolution> mjr, what you're trying to say?
[21:28] <IT_Sean> fragalot, except that PiBot has an auto voice feature.
[21:28] <DaQatz> +q is handy, but thsi way we have more stages
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir|> Sheesh a decade is a long time... didn't re
[21:28] <fortpark> matt: your neckbeard is long
[21:28] <fragalot> IT_Sean: I rest my case.
[21:28] <Matt> fortpark: I go back to when it was linpeople.org
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[21:29] <mjr> convolution, what are you not understanding?
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir|> realize freenode was that old
[21:29] <nuil> #rapi-bitcoin?
[21:29] <fortpark> hrm never knew about linpeople.org
[21:29] <fragalot> Matt: I go back to when it was still on a floppy tape drive
[21:29] <fragalot> *cough*
[21:29] <Matt> that's what it was before openprojects
[21:29] <fortpark> i assumed
[21:29] <piless_> are we measuring e-peens atm?
[21:29] <convolution> mjr, what i need to do that? the usb tv adapter driver for arm?
[21:29] <Matt> before that it was a channel on efnet IIRC
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[21:29] <Matt> but that pre-dates me
[21:30] <fortpark> crazy
[21:30] * Matt didn't get onto irc until '97
[21:30] <fragalot> haha, little worse than what I used to do in uni - http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/yahoo-answers-troll-proof-that-trolling-can-sometimes-still-be-a-art.png
[21:30] <mjr> convolution, if it's supported by linux, chances are it's supported on arm too, the usb drivers don't tend to be architecture dependent...
[21:30] <fortpark> but yeah seriously....i wonder what our chances of getting an accelerated video driver considering the motorolla gpu or whatever is patented and closed source
[21:30] * piless_ didn't get into irc until 1918
[21:30] * nuil started using irc last year
[21:30] <fragalot> fortpark: might eventually get a binary blob
[21:31] <fortpark> im not buying till then
[21:31] <fortpark> could get a pandora instead
[21:31] <mjr> convolution, mostly you should be worried about having enough effective USB bandwidth to read the data in and transmit again through the USB ethernet
[21:31] <fortpark> but im havent researched that
[21:32] <fragalot> fortpark: the pandora is a bit outdated if we're honest
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[21:32] <oldtopman> fragalot: We're already +m.
[21:32] <fragalot> I might look into a panda board, or I might not.
[21:32] <fragalot> oldtopman: we weren't until IT_Sean made it so
[21:32] <fortpark> fragalot, fit-pc2i ?
[21:32] <piless> +b for everyone
[21:33] <oldtopman> D:
[21:33] <nuil> ARAGH, **** **** **** gema
[21:33] <fortpark> its made by israelis though...and anyone with a conscience should boycott israel
[21:33] <ReggieUK> If al qaeda made pi I'd buy it
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[21:33] <piless> why not just boycott israel, I boycott earth
[21:34] <fortpark> if the cia made al queda...i'd buy it
[21:34] <fragalot> ReggieUK: hahaha
[21:34] <fortpark> FBI: Hackers Are The New Al-Qaeda (uproxx.com)
[21:34] <fortpark> you are all al-qaeda
[21:34] <fortpark> reporting this channel to the fbi
[21:34] <fragalot> fortpark: I do own a few tshirts that state i'm a hacker
[21:35] <fragalot> :/
[21:35] <fragalot> most of them are from .... all of them are from fosdem, lol
[21:35] <mjr> fortpark, sounds like a terrorist motivational program
[21:35] <fortpark> i have a neon green mohawk that says im a hacker
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[21:35] <mjr> "You are _all_ AL-Qaeda"
[21:35] <ReggieUK> I'm Al capone
[21:36] <fortpark> everytime you pay taxes, you support terrorism
[21:36] <fortpark> but just terrorism of brown people, so its okay
[21:36] <IT_Sean> ....
[21:36] * ReggieUK ducks out of this conversation with that last comment overstepping the mark
[21:37] <fortpark> no really, its okay
[21:37] <fortpark> some of them are even an invented people...like the palestinians
[21:37] * IT_Sean sets mode -v fortpark
[21:37] <ReggieUK> no really, you should probably shut up
[21:38] <IT_Sean> !mute fortpark
[21:38] * PiBot sets mode -v fortpark
[21:38] <PiBot> fortpark is muted.
[21:38] <mrdragons> Aw, you didn't have to mute him for that. >_>
[21:38] * fortpark is now known as srsbsns
[21:39] <convolution> mjr: what do you mean with "usb ethernet" ?
[21:39] <nuil> convolution: the ethernetport is connected via usb to the arm
[21:39] <IT_Sean> convolution, the ethernet port on the raspi shares bandwith w/ the USB ports
[21:40] <convolution> the ethernet port is an adapter to usb?
[21:40] <convolution> does it use the usb bus?
[21:40] <nuil> yes
[21:40] <convolution> :/
[21:40] <nuil> the ethernet chip is also the usb hup
[21:41] <nuil> 1 usb in = 2 usb out + ethernet
[21:41] <convolution> usb is 480 mbps, - 100 mbps of ethernet
[21:41] <convolution> the rest should be 380 only for usb port
[21:41] <nuil> technically
[21:41] <nuil> yes
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[21:42] <fragalot> convolution: USB is not full duplex & doesn't have interrupts and therefore works via a polling principle though
[21:42] <srsbsns> hi friends
[21:42] <fragalot> which does add SOME latency
[21:43] <convolution> it is not able to transmit while receiving data
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[21:45] * PiBot sets mode +v srsbsn
[21:45] <srsbsn> anyone tried win8 on raspi
[21:45] <DaQatz> !mute srsbsn
[21:45] * PiBot sets mode -v srsbsn
[21:45] <PiBot> srsbsn is muted.
[21:45] <DaQatz> Evasion
[21:45] <fragalot> wham. lol
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[21:46] <DaQatz> You want actual mute or ban?
[21:47] * lesbifriends is now known as howtorespond
[21:47] <mrdragons> XD
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[21:47] <ironzorg> /cycle
[21:47] <mrdragons> Come on, he just said some politically off-color things
[21:47] <Out`Of`Control> i want raspberry pi
[21:47] <Out`Of`Control> :D
[21:47] <DaQatz> mrdragons, he's been trolling for a bit in here.
[21:48] <DaQatz> So he was given a time out.
[21:48] <fragalot> Out`Of`Control: everyone does.
[21:48] <DaQatz> But now he's been getting out of the corner
[21:48] <mrdragons> Oh, well I haven't been paying attention to the room for a while, mb
[21:48] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@it-hurts-when-i-poop.dalsk.com
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[21:49] * IT_Sean sets mode -m
[21:50] * IT_Sean wonders how many people plan on using a raspi for xbmc
[21:51] <Matt> I was gonna have a play with it
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[21:52] <piless> IT_Sean: me as well as other things
[21:52] <Matt> but as most of my media is SD mpeg2, I doubt it'll be well suited for what I want on a tv :)
[21:52] <Matt> although I suppose I could transcode stuff after recording
[21:52] <piless> Matt: It might be worth re-encoding, especially for the hdd space benefits
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[21:53] <piless> h254 is one of the more efficient codecs
[21:53] <Matt> yeah, but as the card spits out mpeg2 :)
[21:54] <piless> Matt: You might be able do it as a batch job automatically
[21:54] <Matt> oh, it's comeing from mythtv
[21:54] <Matt> so I can setup a job to after recording
[21:55] <piless> Matt: Too many adverts on live tv for meeee
[21:55] <Matt> which is why I use mythtv :)
[21:55] <Matt> it's commercial detection is pretty good
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[21:56] <piless> Plus most tv doesn't interest me, I only keep up to date with a handful of shows.
[21:56] <piless> I can't wait till game of thrones comes back
[21:56] <Matt> what the pi definitely won't do, which is required in our household, is netflix
[21:57] <Matt> but the wii handles that
[21:57] <Matt> and the atv2
[21:57] <piless> And even then, broadcast in my country is often 6 months or more behind with american shows
[21:57] <ironzorg> piless: read the books
[21:57] <piless> ironzorg: I do :D
[21:57] <nuil> h264 is enough
[21:57] <nuil> my movies are all encoded in h264
[21:59] <Matt> I'll probably look at setting up a user job to transcode anything I want to keep to h264
[21:59] <Matt> ATM I dump out to DVD
[21:59] <Matt> which is part of the reason for keeping stuff in mpeg2
[22:00] <piless> Matt: dvd isn't so good for longterm storage, they tend to rot
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[22:00] <Matt> alas, this is true
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[22:03] <IT_Sean> Alright... who unplugged the DB?
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[22:04] <nuil> IT_Sean: its me
[22:05] <nuil> IT_Sean: Mario =)
[22:05] <ukscone> IT_Sean: the Head DB unplugger?
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[22:05] <IT_Sean> urf
[22:05] <IT_Sean> 's back up now.
[22:05] <IT_Sean> Nevermind. :p
[22:05] <ukscone> if at first you don't succeed
[22:05] <ukscone> go to the pub some other sucker will do it for you
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[22:11] <GabrialDestruir-> What?!?!? No netflix on pi?!?!? Ze end of the world!!! :p
[22:11] <chris_99> love film might work
[22:11] <nuil> GabrialDestruir-: no crisis on the rpi?, we all going to die
[22:12] <mrdragons> Is it out yet?
[22:12] <PiBot> mrdragons: Maybe you should check to see what www.raspberrypi.org has to say?
[22:12] <chris_99> theres no netflix on linux in general though too be fair GabrialDestruir
[22:13] <DaQatz> I should cut that code out of pibo
[22:13] <DaQatz> t*
[22:13] <DaQatz> Has no need anymore
[22:13] <fragalot> mrdragons: the project was dropped due to an overwhelming lack of interest. :P
[22:14] <ukscone> DaQatz: what is pibot written in?
[22:14] * fragalot runs flailing his arms wildly
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[22:14] <DaQatz> ukscone, PiBot is running on my pMetaBot code which is python
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[22:15] <Aethaeryn> Pithon
[22:15] <DaQatz> There is also cMetaBot code base which is C++
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir|> Bah
[22:15] <DaQatz> I plan to swap PiBot to cMetaBot when it's a bit more stable.
[22:15] <Aethaeryn> :-(
[22:15] <Aethaeryn> It should support CTCP VERSION
[22:16] <Aethaeryn> So you don't have to ask a human for a one line description of its technology
[22:16] <DaQatz> Hmm used too
[22:16] * skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[22:16] <DaQatz> a plugin must be eating his ctcp's
[22:17] -NickServ- MABot!~MABot@idioticphotos.com has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
[22:17] <fragalot> om nom nom
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[22:18] <DaQatz> I bet it's the watcher plugin
[22:18] <DaQatz> That thing is always screwing stuff up
[22:18] <GabrialDestruir|> Everytime my nook sleeps the net dies lol
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[22:20] <DaQatz> Nope wasn't the watch plugin =P
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[22:25] <Aethaeryn> How tall is a raspberry pi?
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[22:26] <alk__> fun idea for a product: a handheld docking station for raspberry pi, including speakers, LCD screen, D-pad (handheld console case with dropin slot for rPi)
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[22:29] <nuil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/wireless-triband-gsm-spy-phone-surveillance-device-as-working-usb-mouse-850-900-1800mhz-39164
[22:30] <nuil> intresting =)
[22:30] <nuil> maybe a present for the foundation?
[22:31] <alk__> hmm?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> Aethaeryn, not very.
[22:31] <Aethaeryn> IT_Sean: So it would be portable if given a touchscreen, a case, and a battery?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> In the right case, it could be
[22:32] <alk__> yup
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[22:34] <fragalot> IT_Sean: any idea how power efficient the board design itself is?
[22:34] <fragalot> eg. was battery operation considered or was it not a priority
[22:34] <IT_Sean> It's the same CPU you see in a lot of mobile telephones, so... it's pretty low draw
[22:35] <Aethaeryn> IT_Sean: That statement is kind of misleading... Telephones have radios, GPS, etc., that greatly reduce battery life.
[22:35] <Aethaeryn> Put a phone in airplane mode and it'll last a lot longer
[22:35] <nuil> fragalot: isn't b anounced as 700mA @ 5V?
[22:35] <Aethaeryn> You could probably get at least a day on a battery
[22:35] <fragalot> nuil: I do sincerely hope that's with USB devices loading it externally
[22:36] <fragalot> IT_Sean: I meant the board design, voltage references, resistor values, possible voltage regulators etc
[22:36] <nuil> fragalot: you mean measuring on primary side?
[22:36] <fragalot> nuil: I mean measuring 700mA when there are things like a usb harddisk or whatever connected
[22:37] <IT_Sean> can't help you beyond what you can read in the existing battery thread @ the forua
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[22:37] <fragalot> because 700mA as a default load is ne hell of a lot of power for battery operation :/
[22:37] <nuil> fragalot: ok, as the channel considered earlier, 100mA per usb port means 500mA for the board itself
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[22:38] <fragalot> nuil: that's all speculation though - I'm just going to wait for real results :P
[22:38] <Aethaeryn> nuil: The ethernet is treated as USB, right?
[22:38] <nuil> Aethaeryn: yea
[22:39] <Aethaeryn> 700mA - (2 USB ports + 1 ethernet port) * 100mA ?= 500mA
[22:39] <nuil> Aethaeryn: i did not count ethernet, cause it does not need much
[22:39] <nuil> Aethaeryn: the ethernet chip is also the usb hub
[22:40] <nuil> exit
[22:40] <nuil> Aethaeryn: wiki: Model A: 500mA, B: 700mA
[22:40] <Dagger3> you sure about that? disabling the ethernet adaptor on my laptop saves 2 watts
[22:41] <nuil> Dagger3: Aethaeryn http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Briefs/9512db.pdf
[22:41] <nuil> Datasheet of the Ethernetchip
[22:41] <Dagger3> which is conveniently quite a similar value to the 300 mA vs 700 mA figures they gave at one point for the A vs B power supply requirements
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[22:43] <linlin> anyone know the power outputs of the usb ports?
[22:43] <linlin> for instance is there enough current for charging ipad?
[22:43] <mjr> linlin, don't even think about it
[22:44] <fragalot> linlin: absolutely not.
[22:44] <Dagger3> nuil: no power consumption figures there
[22:44] <linlin> thats what i figured
[22:44] <linlin> think the larger tablets are 1.2a for charging yeah?
[22:46] <nuil> Dagger3: http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf Page 30
[22:47] <nuil> Dagger3: better page 41
[22:49] <Dagger3> that's a bit more detailed. 230 mA isn't entirely negligable
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[22:50] <nuil> yeah full load on everything
[22:50] <nuil> 100mA each port
[22:50] <Dagger3> (notably, my laptop used those 2 watts /all the time/, even without a cable connected, so the obvious "that's with maximum traffic" argument doesn't hold either)
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[22:50] <nuil> and 31mA ethernet+Lan9512
[22:51] <nuil> "Note: All values measured with maximum simultaneous traffic on the Ethernet port and all USB ports."
[22:51] <Dagger3> that chip can do more than 100 mA per downstream port...
[22:51] <zgreg> I wouldn't expect more than 500mA, and the ipad requires more than that for charging AFAIK
[22:52] <Dagger3> yes, note that's *traffic*, and also that power supplied to downstream devices is power that's not dissipated in the chip
[22:52] <zgreg> the ipad "fast" charging needs downright crazy currents
[22:52] <Dagger3> it also mentions 42 mA for the ethernet magnetics, which may well be on top of the figures in table 4.1
[22:53] <nuil> Dagger3: maybe we should really wait until we get one in our hands
[22:54] <Dagger3> well, yes, I just wanted to point out that the ethernet's power consumption may well not be negligable, especially when in use
[22:55] <nuil> Dagger3: it is not
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[22:57] <nuil> gn8
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[23:04] <oldtopman> Does anyone here have a raspi that is willing to test a build of ArmedSlack?
[23:06] <strigel> how much power does it take to run the extra 128MBs of ram in the A?
[23:06] <danieldaniel> oldtopman: Have any of them shipped yet?
[23:07] <oldtopman> danieldaniel: No, but someone has to have the 100 beta boards.
[23:07] <danieldaniel> oldtopman: Oh, ok
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[23:07] <danieldaniel> The fuck
[23:07] <danieldaniel> I am banned from You Are Banned.
[23:07] <danieldaniel> http://raspberrypi.org/*
[23:08] <danieldaniel> oh crap
[23:08] <strigel> you might be banned from here before long
[23:08] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel, language.
[23:08] <danieldaniel> Why?
[23:08] <strigel> read topic much?
[23:08] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: Ok, sorry
[23:08] <danieldaniel> oh wow
[23:08] <danieldaniel> But really, what happened?
[23:08] <danieldaniel> Is anyone else banned?
[23:08] <IT_Sean> from where?
[23:08] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: raspberrypi.org
[23:09] <mjr> apparently I am too
[23:09] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[23:09] <des2> Use the correct url
[23:09] <danieldaniel> des2: oh wow, thanks XD
[23:09] <strigel> did you hammer the site? :)
[23:09] <danieldaniel> strigel: Yes, but I am not banned after all
[23:10] <strigel> ah. incidentally, both URLs work for me, with and without the www
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[23:12] <danieldaniel> strigel: Then I guess they failed at banning me. lmao
[23:12] <strigel> Do you actually get the "You are banned" message?
[23:13] <oldtopman> raspberrypi.org
[23:13] <oldtopman> I'm banned.
[23:13] * oldtopman presumes that some browsers are automatically adding the www.
[23:13] <IT_Sean> Try using the correct URL
[23:13] <danieldaniel> strigel: yes
[23:14] <strigel> Ok, I get you are banned now too
[23:14] <n17ikh> really? the server doesn't add www? is it 1995 again?
[23:14] <strigel> when I clicked on the link you posted, it worked:
[23:14] <strigel> ] <+danieldaniel> http://raspberrypi.org/*
[23:14] <strigel> I wonder if it was the *?
[23:14] <danieldaniel> strigel: nope
[23:14] <danieldaniel> I just typed that in
[23:14] <danieldaniel> It was a typo
[23:14] <AidyFS> heh, that's awesome
[23:14] <strigel> Yes I know. Anyway, if I remove www in the browser, it bans me
[23:15] <nplus> that's strange.. they're aware of the "you're banned" issue - see twitter
[23:15] <AidyFS> you mean, it presents text saying "You are banned"
[23:15] <strigel> regardless of whether type or not, I middle clicked from my IRC window, and didn't get the banned
[23:15] <AidyFS> that's not exactly the same as being banned.
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[23:15] <strigel> AidyFS: yes
[23:16] <AidyFS> yes, I'm pedantic :p
[23:16] <strigel> anyway, they need some help with their Apache config :)
[23:16] <nplus> looks like they banned someone and it broke something?
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[23:16] <AidyFS> I suspect they failed at switching back from their static site to their dynamic one
[23:17] <strigel> http://raspberrypi.org/* gets you "Error establishing a database connection"
[23:17] <nplus> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/176066574757793793
[23:17] <IT_Sean> If you get a DB error, try reloading
[23:17] <strigel> (danieldaniel's typo)
[23:18] <fragalot> strigel: the site works fine for me
[23:18] <nplus> woops, wrong tweet.. https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/176067273398816768
[23:18] <ReggieUK> ha
[23:18] <ReggieUK> I was going to say, I Sorted out the image on the wiki ( oldtopman edited the image, I uploaded it and edited the page)
[23:18] <strigel> fragalot, Reggie, yes we know the site works great thanks
[23:18] <mrdragons> Lol, it says I'm banned too. :P
[23:18] <ReggieUK> ?
[23:19] <strigel> it's a small matter of curiousity that these messages can be produced
[23:19] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: dawwww. I don't suppose you could give me wiki access, could you? I'd be more than happy to help clean it up.
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[23:19] <ReggieUK> oldtopman, you can get wiki access yourself :D
[23:20] <ReggieUK> it's elinux.org
[23:20] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: I tried to register, but nozhink :<
[23:21] <ReggieUK> can't help then I'm afraid, not going to give out my user/pass :)
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[23:21] <des2> Please try the full URL: http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[23:21] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: I didn't mean that, I thought it was a raspi specific wiki. It works now for some reason >.>
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[23:24] <oldtopman> Anyway, thanks for fixing that.
[23:24] * oldtopman works on cleaning up the wiki.
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[23:55] <Flea86> o/
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[23:56] <ReggieUK> oldtopman, no worries, didn't mean to appear rude there :D
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