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IRC Log for 2012-03-05

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[0:00] <weasel> and they are probably violating several licenses
[0:00] <mkopack> They went' the ones making the images???.
[0:00] <weasel> doesn't matter. they are distributing them
[0:00] <mkopack> They're just pointing to/hostig them
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[0:00] <danieldaniel> mkopack: are they hosting them?
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[0:01] <danieldaniel> If they are hosting them, it is violation a license
[0:01] <danieldaniel> If they are giving a link, it's not
[0:01] <danieldaniel> oh, they are hosting
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[0:01] <mkopack> complain to the folks that are making the images
[0:01] <esotera> have they got any plans to release source?
[0:02] <esotera> this is worth bringing to their attention
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[0:02] <weasel> mailed them a couple days ago. not that I expect a reply, ever
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[0:03] <vgrade> what source are you after?
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[0:04] <mkopack> Is there anything custom code in the images? Or is it simply just a compile and creation of the image?
[0:05] <weasel> mkopack: doesn't matter, really.
[0:05] <mkopack> But if they are
[0:05] <weasel> vgrade: all of it, ideally.
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[0:05] <Flea86> o/
[0:06] <mkopack> aren't doing anything custom, i.e.: it's exactly what I can get from debian src, why should they have to rehost it?
[0:06] <weasel> because that's what the license says?
[0:06] <weasel> of at least the GPL parts.
[0:06] <mkopack> (and mind you, I find the conditions in many of these open source licenses to be utter BS)
[0:07] <weasel> doesn't really matter either :)
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[0:08] <mkopack> The whole mix of O.S. licenses causes us more headaches at work than I care to remember
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[0:10] <FireFly> Eh, depends on the license. I find it hard to believe that e.g. the MIT license would cause you any headache...
[0:10] <FireFly> It's basically "don't blame us if stuff doesn't work"
[0:10] <weasel> FireFly: clearly asking that the license ship with the product already is too much to ask
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[0:10] <Dagger3> mkopack: more headaches than rewriting everything would cause?
[0:11] <mkopack> Eh, it just causes use problems because of the mixture
[0:11] <Ben64> hmm.... arch or debian
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[0:11] <weasel> Ben64: without hardware, why does it matter? :)
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> If you're clever, you can legally make GPLv2 a no-op.
[0:12] <Ben64> i'll have to choose at some point
[0:12] <mkopack> And the stuff we write CAN'T be released to the public, so we always have to deal with "Ok, you can use this library, but not that library, this library we need to use is ok, but the 3 libraries it depends on can't be used, so that means we can't use that one???"
[0:12] <Aethaeryn> EULAs are a headache. FOSS licenses don't really bother end users.
[0:12] <FireFly> Well, there are two easy ways to avoid the problems.. either avoid stuff that's licensed so that you don't have to release the source code, or just opensource everything :P
[0:12] <FireFly> errr
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[0:12] <FireFly> avoid stuff that's licensed so that you *have* to release the source code*
[0:13] <mkopack> IMO, if you release something out with the source, don't bitch about how or where it gets used. If you don't want it used in certain ways, don't release it open source and/or charge for a license for it??? It's just my personal belief??? I know many of you are hung ho on O.S. and that's fine??? Different strokes for different folks...
[0:13] <Aethaeryn> FireFly: Actually that is only if you are distributing binaries.
[0:13] <FireFly> Oh, right
[0:13] <FireFly> I always forget that..
[0:14] <Aethaeryn> Only AGPL afaik goes beyond that
[0:14] <FireFly> everyone with access to the binaries should also have access to the source code, IIRC?
[0:14] <FireFly> So that's pretty easy to comply with if you're writing e.g. serverside stuff
[0:15] <flaushy> and that is why AGPL was created ^^
[0:15] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: If you get to make money off of my work, I want it to stay in the commons or to see a paycheck. That is my opinion/
[0:15] * FireFly agrees with that
[0:16] <mkopack> And see, I can agree with things that say "If you use my library, and you modify the LIBRARY, then you must release the source with the changes???" but I think it's BS to expect me to release my source if I write something that maybe USES (but doesn't change) your library??? You wrote the library with the hope folks would use it...
[0:16] <mkopack> If you wanted money for it, you should have charged for it
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[0:17] <mkopack> It's just different beliefs??? And that's fine??? To each their own??? I want to get paid for my work, so I don't usually wrote on stuff that has to be open sourced???. If I was doing something on the side for myself that I released out as O.S. for others to use, I don't really care HOW they use it, I made the choice to let others use it, and I don't expect money for it..
[0:18] <artag> I think most people write libraries in the hope that other people will do the same, and we all benefit
[0:18] <Dagger3> it's possible the author disagrees with and doesn't wish to aid closed-source software... but if not, there's the LGPL for the library use-case
[0:18] <mkopack> And that's the other headache, the mixture of licenses gets ungodly confusing...
[0:19] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: I don't *want* to charge for it. I don't *like* intellectual property. In an ideal world, I'd license everything under the WTFPL
[0:19] <mkopack> I've asked out legal dept to give us a list of which licenses are permissible and which are too restrictive for the stuff we do, and they can't even come up with it.
[0:19] <mkopack> LOL, what is the WTFPL??!?! never heard of that one!
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[0:19] <artag> then don't use any of it, write your own stuff. you're free to do that.
[0:19] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: The problem is, that "do wtf you want" implies that you can take my work and use it in ways utterly opposed to my development model, and restrict people from using your improvements. You can even patent your improvements.
[0:19] <Ben64> Although the validity of the WTFPL has not been tested in courts, it is widely accepted as a valid license. Every major Linux distribution (Debian, Red Hat, Gentoo, SuSE, Mandrake, etc.) ships software licensed under the WTFPL, version 1 or 2.
[0:20] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: It's a pretty simple model. Either you care about the upstream, or you pay for it, or you write it yourself.
[0:20] <Dagger3> it's not too bad; GPL (2, 3, LGPL) and BSD are most of what you'll come across
[0:20] <Aethaeryn> It's a lot friendlier to the people without money than requiring paying for it
[0:20] <mkopack> Aethaeryn: But see, I don' disagree with you IF what you wrote is a library??? But if I wrote something completely different but happen to use 1 function out of your library, why should I have to give away all my work too?
[0:20] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: If you pay for a library, you're paying so that people can make improvements to it. If the library is copylefted, it's making sure that the library doesn't get some Oracle "extension" that cannibalizes and divides the user base.
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[0:21] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: Very few libraries are GPL
[0:21] <mkopack> Anyhow, just saying it can be a headache for us at work at times
[0:21] <mkopack> and for our customers (Gov)
[0:21] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: The GPL isn't really designed for libraries, it's for software.
[0:21] <weasel> it's simple. don't use the library if you can't comply with its license.
[0:21] <weasel> not hard. not at all.
[0:21] <artag> sure, but that's because you're trying to do something it's not intended for.
[0:22] <zgreg> Aethaeryn: I'd like to interject for a moment
[0:22] <Aethaeryn> Libraries licensed GPL instead of LGPL are typically GNU stuff for GNU.
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[0:22] <Aethaeryn> They have a political goal, which is to get you to use the GPL.
[0:22] <weasel> anyway, this probably isn't the place to discuss the merits of various licenses,
[0:22] <zgreg> Aethaeryn: according to RMS, you should GPL your library (in general)
[0:22] <mkopack> We had one project that we worked on for nearly 3 years and then when we went to deploy it to the gov customer they asked us for a list of everything we used and we had to justify why every library was used and what it would cost to change our code to remove it. In many cases it would have been impossible (like multiple years additional development) to remove the libraries.
[0:22] <Aethaeryn> zgreg: According to rms.
[0:22] <weasel> I just expressed my wish that the raspberry people didn't infringe on other people's copyrights
[0:23] <weasel> it makes them look at best clueless and at worst evil\
[0:23] <zgreg> Aethaeryn: right. but lots of people follow that guy, sadly
[0:23] <Ben64> what raspberry people are infringing?
[0:23] <Aethaeryn> zgreg: As I've said, rms's goals are political, to make all software copyleft.
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[0:24] <Aethaeryn> zgreg: Most people who use copyleft are doing it just so some big company doesn't outcompete you using your *own* code.
[0:24] <zgreg> yeah
[0:24] <mkopack> Aethaeryn: And I agree that that's wrong???
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[0:24] <petschge> why would that be wrong?
[0:24] <mkopack> They shouldn't' be able to simply wrap your library or program and call it / sell it as their own.
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[0:24] <Aethaeryn> petschge: It's only wrong using the current IP laws.
[0:24] <petschge> the big companies have patents and stuff, so why not level the playing field a bit?
[0:25] <Aethaeryn> Well, that's what I meant.
[0:25] <Aethaeryn> If IP wasn't so royally screwed up and skewed toward the biggest companies (and trolls who have no product) in today's software landscape, copyleft would be a lot less necessary.
[0:25] <petschge> true
[0:25] <Ben64> stupid patent trolls :|
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[0:26] <petschge> actually the smart patent trolls are even worse
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[0:26] <Dagger3> mkopack: the GPL doesn't actually prevent that at all. it does however require the company to release the source code to their product, which is what the GPL is designed to do
[0:26] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: The only difference between Apple or Microsoft patent lawsuits and patent troll lawsuits is that the former do it to try to stop competition and the latter do it to make money.
[0:26] <Ben64> i didn't mean they were stupid, i meant the whole thing is stupid
[0:26] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: So really, it's just *how* they're abusing patents to make money
[0:26] <Ben64> obviously they are smart to make money by holding back technologies
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[0:27] <mkopack> Dagger: right, as I said, I agree with the whole "If you CHANGE somebody else's code, you should have to release the changes." but I have issues when it's "Use my library, but you have to release the source to your program is you use my library"
[0:27] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: If anything, patent trolls are a good thing. They found a loophole that the big companies use, too, and just reveal the overall absurdity of the software patent system.
[0:27] <mkopack> yeah, the whole patent system is a mess
[0:27] <Aethaeryn> If only big companies were patent trolls, no one would pay attention.
[0:27] <Ben64> no, not a good thing
[0:28] <Ben64> its perpetuating the crap
[0:28] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: It's not perpetuating the crap, it's bringing awareness to a vulnerability that's being exploited.
[0:28] <Ben64> nobody cares though
[0:28] <Aethaeryn> The more absurd the patent troll, the more people oppose software patents.
[0:28] <CasperN> anyway, free beer is still better then free(dom) software :P
[0:29] <Ben64> all people knew was that sony sucked for not having vibration on the ps3
[0:29] <Ben64> they didn't know or care why
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[0:30] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: lol, Sony the harmless, helpless victim multinational corporation that once put spyware on all their CDs
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[0:30] <Ben64> i'm not even defending sony, you should read more
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[0:31] <Aethaeryn> My point is, when the big buys become victims of an absurd system, more people notice
[0:31] <Ben64> my point is, nobody noticed
[0:31] <Dagger3> mkopack: well, that's what the LGPL is for. I can understand both sides of the argument in this particular case
[0:31] <Aethaeryn> No one knows about a random innovative startup that the legal system shut down before it got big.
[0:31] <Aethaeryn> At least *some* people hear when, e.g. Sony is targetted.
[0:31] <Ben64> <Ben64> all people knew was that sony sucked for not having vibration on the ps3
[0:31] <Ben64> <Ben64> they didn't know or care why
[0:31] <Ben64> nobody knew it was because of patents
[0:32] <Ben64> your point is invalid
[0:32] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Nobody => there does not exist someone => that means 0 people know => you know => false statement
[0:33] <Byan> I knew it was
[0:33] <Aethaeryn> My point was, I'm glad that the system is equally broken for everyone, large and small, because at least that way there will be some lobbying for reform eventually.
[0:33] <Ben64> maybe 0.001% of the world knew
[0:34] <Ben64> but thats still pretty much nobody
[0:34] <Aethaeryn> A 10 person startup that got screwed over probably isn't going to be able to lobby for patent reform. Sony can.
[0:34] <Byan> I would say at least 5% of ps3 owners knew\
[0:34] <Byan> -at least-
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[0:34] <Aethaeryn> At some point, trolls attacking big companies will hit a critical mass where it's cheaper to lobby to abolish software patents than to pay settlements or court fees.
[0:34] <Aethaeryn> Then the patent system is fixed.
[0:35] <Aethaeryn> It's already pretty much universally hated in the software industry.
[0:35] <Aethaeryn> So maybe most consumers don't know, but the insiders are the ones who lobby anyway.
[0:35] <Byan> I agree mostly
[0:36] <Byan> though I feel sorry for MPEG, who deserves their money
[0:36] <Ben64> but they like patents
[0:36] <Ben64> it hurts them sometimes, but other times they profit
[0:36] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: Correction, they *liked* patents.
[0:36] <Aethaeryn> Now, they lose many, many more times than they win.
[0:36] <Aethaeryn> In terms of costs.
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[0:37] <Aethaeryn> Ben64: For instance, I'm sure just about everyone in the cell phone industry loved patents, until Apple started trolling.
[0:38] <Aethaeryn> And now I'm sure that pretty much everyone but Apple is going to think it's cheaper in the long run to abolish certain types of patents than to handle with court cases.
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[0:38] <Aethaeryn> If no one used patents against the big guys, *no one* would want patent reform because the big guys set the narrative.
[0:38] <Byan> what did apple have a patent on anyway?
[0:38] <Aethaeryn> Even most start ups just want to be big one day or bought out by a big guy.
[0:39] <Aethaeryn> People listen to the big companies.
[0:39] <des2> Please alert us when the patent system has been abolished.
[0:40] <Aethaeryn> des2: It won't be. Most of the software industry (and pretty much everyone in the open source world) hates software patents, but big pharama (whose business model is entirely based on government-granted short-run monopolies via patents) doesn't want a precedent set that will kill their business.
[0:40] <Aethaeryn> So right now it's basically industry v. industry.
[0:41] <des2> In fact they just revised the patent system makeing it worse in a sense by switching to first filer.
[0:41] <Aethaeryn> Eventually, there will probably be a very narrow precedent that only affects software, and thus leaves a big mess in other areas (e.g. smartphone hardware)
[0:42] <Byan> patents aren't nearly as broken when it comes to things that aren't software.
[0:42] <Aethaeryn> Unless every big pharma company, and a few other major companies like Apple, go bankrupt, there won't be any comprehensive patent reform.
[0:43] <Aethaeryn> Byan: Patents are broken when it comes to patenting non-physical *ideas*, i.e. math and science.
[0:43] <Aethaeryn> Things like algorithms or your own DNA
[0:43] <Byan> algorithms are fine..
[0:44] <Byan> but thats not what most software patents are.. unless I am mistaken..
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> Patenting algorithms are *not* fine.
[0:44] <Byan> hell, IDK what they are
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> Algorithms are mathematics.
[0:44] <Byan> why not?
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> You've had thousands of years of mathematics free and open.
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> And then a few decades where certain parts of mathematics are literally off limits.
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[0:45] <Aethaeryn> Byan: The problem is that there is no creative work that patents seem to imply when it comes to mathematics. *Everything* is building on something that came before you.
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[0:45] <Aethaeryn> If you make an algorithm proprietary, you are taking 100% credit for probably about 5% of the work.
[0:45] <Aethaeryn> There's literally thousands of years of work required to get to the point where you could make your algorithm.
[0:45] <Aethaeryn> It's not yours.
[0:46] <Byan> that could be said for anything..
[0:47] <Aethaeryn> Byan: It's considerably more trivial when it comes to something abstract, like an algorithm.
[0:47] <Aethaeryn> I could make a very, very slight modification on something in a textbook, and then patent it.
[0:48] <Aethaeryn> Then anyone else who makes that very, very simple deduction that required almost no creative effort (it's deduction after all) is forced to pay royalties to me.
[0:48] <Byan> sure.. but who cares?
[0:48] <Aethaeryn> So you literally hold back progress.
[0:48] <Aethaeryn> You temporarily block areas of academic inquiry.
[0:48] <Aethaeryn> For profit.
[0:49] <petschge> well. think about the history of cryptography...
[0:49] <Aethaeryn> This is exactly the opposite of what the patent system was designed to do, to *encourage* innovation.
[0:50] <Aethaeryn> Fortunately, in implementing the one thing I've patented, I probably violate a dozen different patents because there are so many of them. So the only party that wins is the party that never actually implements what they patent, i.e. the trolls.
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[0:51] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slice-of-Pi-add-on-Raspberry-Pi-XBee-XRF-I2C-SPI-breakout-and-proto-board-/320861041887
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[0:51] <piofcube> You mean like a company that designs and patents a method to recognise sign-language view a 3D camera but then decides never to produce the software that will allow people to use it... But at the same time this prevents someone else doing this?
[0:52] <piofcube> view = with
[0:53] <Aethaeryn> piofcube: exactly
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[0:53] <Aethaeryn> It's more profitable to never actually develop the product you're patenting since you're going to violate probably 10-20 patents for every 1 you own
[0:54] <piofcube> Or they have to trawl through the patents so they can work out some way to do it which isn't the same as that
[0:54] <Aethaeryn> Unless you (1) have a massive portfolio of patents to countersue and reach a settlement or (2) never make a product, you lose when it comes to patents.
[0:54] <des2> Indeed.
[0:54] <Aethaeryn> piofcube: you can't trawl through patents. If you get sued anyway (they're written vague enough) and they find out that you read the patent, 3x fine
[0:54] <des2> It's a system of preventing other companies from making something.
[0:54] <Aethaeryn> Patent lawyers will tell you to *not* read the patents and assume they exist
[0:54] <piofcube> lol yeah... that's how absurd it is
[0:55] <Aethaeryn> Which is kinda funny because that's another benefit of patents (public visibility) that is now made useless (too vague, and not even allowed to read 'em)
[0:55] <mkopack> Des: Yeah, I'm ordering one of those tomorrow I think
[0:55] <kyzz> Anyone here familiar with Arch?
[0:55] <des2> Familiar only in the sense I'm running it on a pogoplug kyzz
[0:55] <Byan> sure kyzz
[0:55] <Aethaeryn> That'd be like if I made a GPL clone where I say "my source is visible, but if you even read one line of it, I'll sue you"
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[0:56] <kyzz> I'm just looking for some input.
[0:56] <flaushy> how well does arch run on a pogoplug?
[0:56] <des2> Seems to be fine. I'm using command line ssh to access it.
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[0:56] <kyzz> I've installed Arch and I got KDE working , but I can't login with my user created account
[0:57] <flaushy> what does it say?
[0:57] <mkopack> ok, let me give this debian image another go??? I tried resizing it to emulate a bigger SD card but it didn't work when I followed the directions that were posted. Just got one error after another
[0:57] <Flea86> Aethaeryn: And how could you prove that *I* actually read *your* publicly-available sourcecode?
[0:58] <flaushy> Flea86: nooone can, but if you copy verbatim, the compiler creates similiar patterns
[0:58] <mkopack> oooh, 60 minutes is doing a story on the Stuxnet virus...
[0:58] <Flea86> flaushy: ofc
[0:58] <Byan> he didn't say anything about compiling them. only reading them.
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[0:58] <kyzz> It's just basically saying that incorrect username or password , but if I go to the cli I can login with that same info
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[0:59] <Byan> kyzz: this is just a guess, but what groups is your user in
[0:59] <Byan> you might try adding them to the video group.
[0:59] <kyzz> I'm not sure exactly
[1:00] <kyzz> my friend said to make sure it created a home dir
[1:00] <Byan> also, try logging into kde as root and see if it works.
[1:00] <Flea86> Aethaeryn: nm, I hadn't followed the rest of what you wrote, my bad
[1:00] <Flea86> :)
[1:01] <kyzz> It won't allow me to login as root on KDE but I know i have to change some permissons
[1:02] * kyzz shrugs
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[1:03] <kyzz> Ah actually this is the issue im having and I can't find a fix :/
[1:03] <kyzz> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=97029
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[1:11] <tntexplosivesltd> wej: wb
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[1:12] <lars_t_h> Arch linux for Raspberry Pi is out, read http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/746
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[1:12] <no-name-> so what is there so far
[1:12] <no-name-> debian, fedora and arch?
[1:12] <lars_t_h> no-name-, yes
[1:13] <no-name-> nice
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[1:14] <lars_t_h> I think Arch Linux is really good on a reesource constrained machine like the Pi
[1:15] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah =D
[1:15] <tntexplosivesltd> arch it awesome
[1:15] <lars_t_h> it is like OpenBSD wich does not come preloaded with too much preinstalled software
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[1:16] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate stuff that comes pre-loaded
[1:16] <DaQatz> Trying to get the image working in qemu
[1:16] <DaQatz> Being that I'm doing it on a remote system hard to tell what's working and what's not.
[1:17] <des2> kyzz Arch has an IRC channel you might want to try there for advice
[1:17] <lars_t_h> tntexplosivesltd, like installing a "driver" on windows, and then you get a s***load of applications installed wich has nothing to do what so ever with the device
[1:18] <lars_t_h> ^ sorry for my language: danes usually speak w/o a filter
[1:19] <tntexplosivesltd> heh yeah, i like knowing exactly what's being installed
[1:19] * DaQatz nods.
[1:19] <DaQatz> Same
[1:20] <DaQatz> I use gentoo mostly though
[1:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I would use gentoo too
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[1:20] <tntexplosivesltd> but I can't leave my baby
[1:20] <DaQatz> Arch is good though
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[1:21] <tntexplosivesltd> afk COFFEEEEEEE
[1:21] <des2> Danish actually has asterisks in verbal speech ?
[1:22] <lars_t_h> des2, "true" :)
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[1:24] <h0llywood2> do you think the arm version of arch linux is good as the original one?
[1:24] <Byan> why would the architecture change anything
[1:24] <h0llywood2> support
[1:24] <lars_t_h> h0llywood2, to be tested then i get my RasPi
[1:25] <lars_t_h> *when
[1:26] <h0llywood2> there's a version for the beagleboard, do you think that a raspi version will be available?
[1:26] <zarac> h0llywood2: My understanding is no, but everything essential is there.
[1:27] <lars_t_h> h0llywood2, not a big problem - it is just a recompiling of packages (- thoose who are x86 specific)
[1:27] <zarac> h0llywood2: An arch-linux-arm image for RPi came out today.
[1:27] <mrdragons> Byan: Different maintainers, it's technically a different project
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[1:27] <tntexplosivesltd> h0llywood2: I use it on a zipit and it works fine, I think it would be good on an R-Pi
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[1:28] <h0llywood2> zarac :: can you give me an http link for downloading it please?
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[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> look on the site?
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[1:29] <h0llywood2> i saw only download for others board
[1:29] <h0llywood2> on http://archlinuxarm.org/
[1:29] <Ben64> :|
[1:29] <zarac> h0llywood2: It's the latest post on raspberrypi.org ; )
[1:29] <zarac> h0llywood2: There's a link in the download section.
[1:29] <mrdragons> It's in giant letters, you can't miss it. :P
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[1:30] <h0llywood2> oh good :) i did't watch the raspberry website
[1:31] <zarac> h0llywood2: : ) Please share your experience when you've got one. ;)
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[1:32] <h0llywood2> of course, the only problem is to get the board :P
[1:33] <h0llywood2> i pre-ordered it from the international farnell but i think they don't ship in italy because there is farnell italy
[1:33] <h0llywood2> but they don't accept my order, i need a vat number
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[1:34] <lars_t_h> h0llywood2, yearh, 2 mio. tried to get to the RS Components and Farnell websites
[1:35] <Plankalkuel> Yes thats the problem. Farnell and RS won't ship to customers in most countries
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[1:35] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, wrong
[1:35] <Plankalkuel> lars_t_h: At least in germany and austria they only ship to resellers
[1:36] <h0llywood2> Plankalkuel :: also here in italy :(
[1:36] <h0llywood2> i'll call them tomorrow
[1:36] <Plankalkuel> And the "one rpi per customer" still applies. Which means: Every reseller only gets one rpi.
[1:36] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[1:36] <lars_t_h> The contract with RasPi foundation says that induviduals are allowed to buy a RasPi, read the "and breathe ..." post
[1:36] <h0llywood2> it's not possible.. rpi should be sell to everyone
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[1:36] <Plankalkuel> I don't think you can do much. At least RS is not allowed to sell to customers because of legal issues
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[1:37] <Plankalkuel> (The only sell without VAT)
[1:37] <h0llywood2> usually students don't own a company
[1:37] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, ^ my prev post
[1:37] <Plankalkuel> Yes :D
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[1:37] <zarac> h0llywood2: It's not available in sweden either, yet. : (
[1:38] <zarac> pre-order from farnell and "expression of interest" from RS
[1:38] <zarac> whatever that means ;)
[1:38] <Plankalkuel> lars_t_h: A contract can't change the law
[1:38] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, it is not illegal to sell something to induviduals - form where did you got that idea?
[1:39] <h0llywood2> they are the company rules, different from country to country
[1:39] <Plankalkuel> From the email that was sent to me by RS-Components. It clearly stated, that because of legal reasons they are not allowed to sell to anyone but comanies.
[1:39] <lars_t_h> Danish law (incl EU) has no law about that
[1:39] <Plankalkuel> companies
[1:40] <zarac> Plankalkuel: I bet they're lying to you. ; )
[1:40] <zarac> Plankalkuel: What country is this?
[1:40] <lars_t_h> If you buy directly from their webshop, it is ok (has a RS Components DK sales person said to me)
[1:40] <Plankalkuel> Austria. But I know that germany has the same problem
[1:41] <lars_t_h> RS Components require you to be a business if you will pre-order stuff, or not pay when you order
[1:41] <lars_t_h> preorder is not interests
[1:42] <zarac> : (
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[1:43] <Plankalkuel> The part from the email: "Aus rechtlichen Gr??nden ist es uns nicht erlaubt, Bestellungen von Privatpersonen zu bearbeiten und auszuliefern, da unsere Preise exkl. MWSt. ausgewiesen sind. Wir bitten um Ihr Verst??ndnis und kontaktieren Sie schnellstm??glich mit weiteren Details."
[1:43] <Plankalkuel> translation:
[1:43] <Plankalkuel> "For legal reasons we are not permitted to process and ship orders from private persons because our prices are given without VAT. We hope you understand ... blabla"
[1:44] <h0llywood2> i never received any email from RS :(
[1:44] <acfrazier> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/176467853480951808
[1:44] <acfrazier> it's a miracle
[1:45] <Plankalkuel> Well. Only merchandise .
[1:45] <Plankalkuel> I assume you won't be able to buy rpi's from there
[1:45] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, typical german law which goes like this: if is not legal, it is by default illegal, in Denmark however is goes like this: If it is not illegal, it is buy defalt legal
[1:45] <acfrazier> it's like that most places
[1:46] <acfrazier> the second half
[1:46] <Plankalkuel> We will see how that pans out but I don't think the current solution is a good one.
[1:46] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, so i guess that is the german default of illegal that hits you, you can however place an order in Denmark http://dk.rs-online.com/ ... etc
[1:47] <Plankalkuel> Especially because if the prices are without VAT that means, that the RPi will be around 42$ since they use the
[1:47] <Plankalkuel> 35$ as the price without VAT
[1:47] <Plankalkuel> And since they only sell to resellers I guess the price will be around 45$ in the End
[1:47] <h0llywood2> 43??? in italy WITH VAT and shipping
[1:48] <h0llywood2> but at the end of the order farnell italy ask me for the vat number
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[1:48] <Plankalkuel> So much for the nice Idea of a 27??? pc :D
[1:48] <lars_t_h> h0llywood2, VAT % is different form country to country
[1:48] <zarac> lars_t_h: It seems you can only register your interest there as well.. (on dk.rs-online...)
[1:48] <h0llywood2> i know in italy its 21%
[1:48] <Plankalkuel> Yes. But I did not realize that the 35$ was meant without VAT
[1:49] <Plankalkuel> lars_t_h: I will definitly try to order from denmark
[1:50] <lars_t_h> zarac, it is like that world-wide, non-business cannot pr-order, only register for interests, and then pay then is their turn to get a RPi
[1:50] <flaushy> Plankalkuel: farnell is cheaper then (in germany) 27 euro + VAT
[1:50] <lars_t_h> Plankalkuel, you should get a nice email fairly quickly
[1:50] <techman2> anyone heard whether the initial 10k got to the distributors?
[1:50] <h0llywood2> my order on farnell international was ok, but they will give me more info as soon as they get the boards in stock
[1:51] <h0llywood2> my order is pending
[1:52] <lars_t_h> techman2, next week i renember it correctly from the 500+ comment on "and breathe" thread
[1:52] <lars_t_h> *if i renember ...
[1:52] <h0llywood2> btw what do you prefer between xfce and lxde ?
[1:53] <lars_t_h> h0llywood2, lxde especially on netbooks and smaller, maybe only an xterm as the "desktop"
[1:54] <Mookman288> According to the wiki, class 4 seems to be the way to go with SD, or is it dated?
[1:54] <zarac> lars_t_h: Ah. Guess i just have to wait.. ; )
[1:54] <des2> Class 4 is slooooow
[1:54] <Mookman288> No, I mean is the wiki dated
[1:54] <zarac> Can the RPi be powered from another computer through usb?
[1:55] <Plankalkuel> Hmmm. Farnell doesn't state anywhere that they won't send to private customers in Austria. Maybe I am lucky after all ;)
[1:55] <des2> Zarac if your computer can supply the power it needs.
[1:55] <des2> The B model needs 700 mA
[1:55] <des2> Which many USB ports might not be able to supply.
[1:55] <lars_t_h> zarac, if you was later than 70 sec. you will have to wait (they were selling RPis at a rate of 600 per sec)
[1:57] <zarac> lars_t_h: Later thatn 70 sec? : )
[1:57] <zarac> wow, 600/sec is a lot ;)
[1:57] <des2> USB 2.0 is typically limited to 500 mA
[1:57] <zarac> des2: I'm so bad with electricity.
[1:57] <des2> Which should be enough for model A but not B
[1:57] <zarac> ah ; )
[1:58] <zarac> Well, it doesn't make much sense to power it through another computer anyways.. ; )
[1:58] <h0llywood2> i will use my samsung galaxy s charger :) 5V - 700mA
[1:59] <ksx4system> des2: active USB 2.0 hub and here we go ;)
[1:59] <ksx4system> these can provide up to 1A
[1:59] <des2> One trick is to get a Y cable that can use the power from 2 USB ports
[1:59] <des2> This is often used for external disk drives on USB
[1:59] <h0llywood2> or something like this http://www.ebay.it/itm/Mini-Caricabatterie-Nero-USB-per-ipod-e-iphone-3G-3GS-4G-4S-da-Muro-Rete-/251006651189?pt=Accessori_per_Cellulari&hash=item3a71298b35#ht_1638wt_1163
[2:00] <zarac> h0llywood2: How will you charge your galaxy s then? : )
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[2:00] <Mookman288> I would actually be fine if I could just split each USB into two. 4 USBs are plenty for me.
[2:00] <techman2> I'm going to use the charger from my dead HTC desire. 5V/1A.
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[2:01] <zarac> des2: Oh, neat trick ; )
[2:01] * lars_t_h feels lucky. He has +5v 12 A laptop power supply, should be enough for a RPi cluster computer
[2:02] <des2> http://bixnet.net/images/Cab-USB-YBlack.jpg
[2:02] <Xark_> Mookman288: I haven't seen actual RPi benchmarks, but here is an interesting comparison Chromatix (on Pi forums) put together on from a Tegra 2 (similar device, but could be different on RPi): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60111136/SD%20card%20benchmarks.pdf
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[2:03] <Mookman288> Xark_: I was more asking whether or not people had any official notice as to why almost all of the SD cards on the wiki are class 4.
[2:03] <Mookman288> But this is pretty helpful, thanks
[2:03] <zarac> My xperia x10 charger says 5.0VDC == 850mA, guess i'm set!(?) ; )
[2:03] <des2> You should be fine zarac
[2:04] <lars_t_h> Mookman288, because class 10 devices usally does not work (Eben had wrote that)
[2:04] <Xark_> Mookman288: Well, as the graph shows class 4 may be the fastest. :) Also Class 10 reportedly has an issue on RPi (some brands). Apparently an issue with GPU booting from it.
[2:04] <lars_t_h> max SD card size is 8 GB
[2:04] <des2> There are classes between 4 and 10 though
[2:04] <Mookman288> Xark_, lars_t_h: OK. Thanks.
[2:04] <lars_t_h> a few class 10 16 GB SD cards should work
[2:05] <Mookman288> I'm not too concerned over speed for the RPi
[2:05] <Mookman288> I just want something stable.
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[2:06] <Ben64> class 10 will work fine
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[2:06] <Mookman288> Class 4 appears to be $1 cheaper, too.
[2:06] <Ben64> 0.4x as fast
[2:06] <ebarch> here's what I went with =) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161396
[2:07] <lars_t_h> Ben64, do you know the speed of a class 4 SD card (read and write speeds)
[2:07] <Mookman288> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
[2:08] <Ben64> most of them are 4MB/s write
[2:08] <lars_t_h> Mookman288, thnx
[2:08] <des2> Significant difference between manufacturer's cards though.
[2:09] <des2> (at same class rating)
[2:09] <Mookman288> Yes, the Kingston Class 10 reviews were awful compared to the Wintech ebarch posted.
[2:09] <Xark_> There is also the issue of the RPi only using the "serial" protocol, so it will never "max out" the faster cards (from what I understand).
[2:09] <lars_t_h> Ben64, that is really slow, i think i will do some kind of daisy chain to a harddisk via USB or a USB flash disk
[2:10] <Lerc> Xark_: the R-PI sd is SPI?
[2:10] <Ben64> lars_t_h: yep, flash memory isn't super fast
[2:10] <Xark_> Lerc: That is my understanding.
[2:11] <Mookman288> I don't think it's that slow, tbh. Sounds fine for the OS footprints people were talking about.
[2:11] <Lerc> That can't help booting off SD.
[2:11] <Ben64> usb hard drive would be way faster
[2:11] <Mookman288> But you lose a USB port.
[2:11] <Mookman288> Precious usb ports
[2:11] <Ben64> thats why god made usb hubs
[2:11] <Mookman288> which use power. precious power.
[2:11] <h0llywood2> good night guys
[2:11] <ebarch> mmm power
[2:12] <Ben64> thats why god made outlets?
[2:12] <lars_t_h> Ben64, the USB flash disks read and writes data in parallel (before they reach the USB controller), so they are a little bit faster
[2:12] <Ben64> usb flash drives are pretty damn slow too
[2:12] <Subwire> They do have those tiny unpowered hubs, and that would probably work if you're sharing a HD with something light like a keyboard and mouse
[2:12] <Xark_> Lerc: Or at least not the "fastest" parallel SD protocol (not sure if it SPI). The video shows it booting to debian desktop in 15 seconds, so that isn't horrible.
[2:13] <ebarch> hmm...any idea how fast you can boot an rpi without a gui?
[2:13] <Mookman288> usb/mouse combo; wireless internet; possible miniature display (if we can't get serial to gipo?)
[2:13] <Xark_> ebarch: Use Arch Linux? :)
[2:13] <des2> It will behoove people to learn how to avoid the OS paging
[2:13] <Subwire> Mookman288, AFAIK, it has a display header right on it (or was that the initial run only?)
[2:13] <ebarch> Xark_: that's my plan...was hoping for a ballpark figure
[2:14] <Mookman288> Subwire: From the forums I had heard there would be lots of testing and soldering involved.
[2:14] <Ben64> 8 seconds with OS on usb hard drive?
[2:14] <Mookman288> Subwire: if that's not the case, I'm gonna pick up that $18 white backlit LCD
[2:14] <zarac> des2: Thanks ; )
[2:14] <Xark_> ebarch: Ahh, boot speed. Looked like only a few seconds (based on Linux spew shown).
[2:15] <Subwire> soldering yes, but I'd imagine we'll quickly find out which displays work
[2:15] <des2> It's probably fister than Windows...
[2:15] <lars_t_h> Lerc, i wrote daisy chain, wich means: 1st boot from SD card, when the the GPU had loaded, when it starts a bootloader on the SD card, whivh loads a 2nd bootloader on the device, you has the smae kind of stuff the that is done before the Linux kernel can be loaded to do that
[2:15] <Mookman288> Subwire: Well, aren't the digikey ones just io data?
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[2:16] <ebarch> Xark_: that would be awesome...i'm looking to work on a few projects that need quick bootups...anything less than 20 seconds should be acceptable
[2:17] <Subwire> Mookman288, no clue, haven't looked into it much
[2:17] <Mookman288> Subwire: Now I'm confused!
[2:17] <Xark_> ebarch: Well, you should be fine then (from the looks of things - and they probably aren't optimized for RPi fully yet).
[2:18] <des2> With the tremendous interest in the Pi improvements should be rapid.
[2:18] <ebarch> Xark_: yeah...i bet i could strip things down further as well...don't need a whole lot except networking/serial
[2:18] <Subwire> Mookman288: I haven't looked at exactly what the Digikey ones do
[2:18] <Mookman288> Subwire: I think digikey just makes displays that go through x interface
[2:18] <Mookman288> where x = usb, serial, etc.
[2:18] <Subwire> well yeah
[2:19] <lars_t_h> i am not going to use a graphical login, text login should be ok
[2:19] <ebarch> if you think about it...it's insane how much it costs for an arduino ethernet shield...$45 for networking. i can get a whole computer w/ embedded ethernet for $30 now...
[2:19] <Lerc> I like the claims made on http://worldsbestflashdrive.com/ If genuine then that would be a spiffy place for the bulk of the data.
[2:20] <lars_t_h> gui login is a waste of ram, and i will also have no swap space
[2:20] <Subwire> Mookman288, I've heard that not all of the "cellphone displays" that have that type of connector work with all devices though
[2:21] <des2> $7 Arduino ethernet: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENC28J60-Ethernet-LAN-Module-for-Arduino-AVR-LPC-STM32-/270919690171?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f141267bb
[2:21] <Mookman288> Subwire: Maybe once we get more info I'll send 'em an email
[2:22] <ebarch> des2: wow...well at least they're getting cheaper
[2:24] <Mookman288> http://www.amazon.com/AirLink101-AWLL5088-Wireless-Ultra-Adapter/dp/B003X26PMO/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1330910563&sr=1-5 <-- that would be cool.
[2:24] <Mookman288> It's so tiny
[2:24] <Subwire> woah
[2:24] <Subwire> that IS tiny...
[2:25] <des2> http://raspberrywifi.com/
[2:25] <Subwire> any idea on the chipset?
[2:25] * Subwire scrolls down
[2:25] <Mookman288> Oh god
[2:25] <Mookman288> they're all tiny
[2:25] <Mookman288> THEYRE ALL SO TINY
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[2:25] <ebarch> haha
[2:25] <des2> Tiny = bad antenna
[2:26] <ebarch> you can get some nice ones that are slightly larger with external antenna connectors
[2:26] <Dagger3> bad antenna = perfectly fine if it works for your situation
[2:26] <des2> yes
[2:26] <Dagger3> and if it doesn't, buy a bigger one
[2:26] <Subwire> Having tried a lot of those tiny+antenna ones, you have to watch your chipset
[2:26] <des2> Right you really need to know what chipset they have
[2:26] <Subwire> not all chipsets work well with Linux, but it's a lot better than it used to be
[2:26] <des2> Cause some drivers are better than others.
[2:27] <des2> That's why it's good to wait for the first 10,000 guinea pigs to report back
[2:27] <Subwire> The RasPi kernel is based on 3.1.9 at present, so it should have reasonable compatibility with everything that's not too recent
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[2:30] <Subwire> I have a bunch of Ralink-based devices that all work well, but they tend to be more expensive (eg. Alfa)
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[2:50] <zarac> Potentially life changing documentary.. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/first-earth-uncompromising-ecological-architecture/
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[2:56] <SpeedEvil> Earth buildings are generally poorly insulated.
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> Compared to structures with actual insulation.
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> If we wish to heat our homes - we basically need some form of actual insulation.
[2:59] <Mookman288> tapestries
[2:59] <Mookman288> and stone walls
[2:59] <Mookman288> obv
[2:59] <Mookman288> I was thinking of making an earth case
[2:59] <Mookman288> wooden case + garden on top for rpi
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[3:01] <kyzz> Does anyone here own a thinkpad laptop?
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> 2
[3:02] <Mistakes> yes
[3:02] <Mistakes> i have a t500
[3:02] <kyzz> Two questions: 1. Should I get one ? 2. If so which one and why?
[3:02] <Spanky99> I think the wife has an old one...
[3:02] <kyzz> I'm looking for a college laptop for programming and typing basically
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> kyzz: Depends.
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> Programming, essentially anything will work.
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[3:03] <Mistakes> kyzz, you should get one because they are fantastic machines, the keyboard is an absolute joy to use, and they have a plethora of security options available
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> I'd personally recommend a laptop off ebay.
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> Ex-lease.
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> With some guarantee left.
[3:04] <Spanky99> StinkPad and IBM were pretty good. Lenovo and StinkPad - No knowledge... Haven't owned a Lenovo.
[3:04] <kyzz> I'd rather buy it new to last me through college hopefully I'm going in as a CompSci
[3:04] <kyzz> Mistakes: Any suggestions on a model?
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[3:05] <Mistakes> i'm very happy with my t500
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> kyzz: I sit on laptops too much to get new ones.
[3:05] * Mistakes ** WinSys ** Client: XChat-WDK 1500 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate ** CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (2.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3990 MB Total (2458 MB Free) ** VGA: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family ** Uptime: 2.66 Hours **
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> 02:05:11 up 20 days, 10:53, 6 users, load average: 0.91, 0.81, 0.73
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz
[3:06] <Spanky99> My Asus i7 laptop has been reliable for last 1.5 years or so...
[3:06] <Matt> I've been quite happy with my HP Compaq 6710b
[3:06] <Matt> but it's showing its age
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> I booted up my first 'netbook' - and it worked.
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> 4 AA cells.
[3:07] <Tachyon`> Epson PX-4?
[3:07] <Tachyon`> Z88?
[3:07] <kyzz> Mistakes: Is yours a Lenovo?
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: z88
[3:07] <Mistakes> yes sir
[3:07] <Mistakes> t500
[3:07] <Tachyon`> ahh ;p
[3:07] <Tachyon`> yes, I did like the Z88
[3:07] <Tachyon`> I liked rather less the lack of control of the screen in a bitmapped way
[3:07] <Tachyon`> from basic/asm
[3:08] <Tachyon`> particularly given pipedream managed it for the preview of the page being edited
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> I got a devkit IIRC
[3:08] <Tachyon`> so it clearly was possible
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> but I forgot it
[3:08] <Mistakes> i got mine for about $350 on ebay
[3:08] <des2> Peek(x), poke(x)
[3:08] <Mistakes> a refurb
[3:08] <Tachyon`> not seen a Z88 in years though
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> I got my x60s for about that on ebay too
[3:08] <Tachyon`> and if I do see one it needs to have ram/eprom expansion with it
[3:09] * SpeedEvil rages again at the lack of 4:3 laptops.
[3:09] <Spanky99> They took my order at element14 for 2 Raspberry Pi units last night.... Anybody know when I should expect them?
[3:09] <Tachyon`> they were a bit limited at hte best of times with the stock 32K
[3:09] <SpeedEvil> Spanky99: at least a month
[3:09] <kyzz> blah I still don't know what to buy :(
[3:09] <Tachyon`> when hell pops into existence then freezes over
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[3:09] <Tachyon`> I think there's still a limit of 1 per customer
[3:09] <zarac> Mookman288: Yeah, perhaps it's not good for sweden ; )
[3:09] <Tachyon`> so your order will likely get reduced to 1, heard that was happening to others
[3:09] <Spanky99> Well, they must like me then, since I ordered 2...
[3:09] <Spanky99> :-)
[3:09] <Tachyon`> yes, others ordered more than 1
[3:09] <Tachyon`> but the order was modified later to 1
[3:10] <Mookman288> The cool thing about a rpi that's a garden, you could hide it in the garden
[3:10] <Tachyon`> still, if I see even 1 it'll be good
[3:10] <Spanky99> I have a family of 5 so I'm not being greedy...
[3:10] <zarac> Mookman288: What's rpi? (except raspberry pi) ; )
[3:10] <Tachyon`> given I'm still waiting to hear from RS
[3:10] <Mookman288> raspberry pi
[3:10] <Mookman288> I said the other day, that I had ordered a raspberry pi, and that it would likely be here in May
[3:10] <Mookman288> and people looked at me very strange.
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[3:12] <Tachyon`> hrm, arch linux looks interesting
[3:12] <Spanky99> Did they notify you that they cut your order down to 1 unit?
[3:12] <zarac> : )
[3:12] <Tachyon`> will have to try it on the pandora first to get a feel for it
[3:12] <zarac> Tachyon`: Arch linux rocks ; )
[3:14] <Tachyon`> I'm not familiar with it, usually use debian but the announcement suggests it's aimed at people who know what they're doing and doesn't come with X which suits me as I don't want X -.o, plus the package manager appears to be called pacman so some points there, lol
[3:14] <zarac> hah ; )
[3:14] <zarac> Tachyon`: I used to be a debian user.. i've had no reason to switch back (although i still like debian).
[3:15] <zarac> Tachyon`: You can install debian without X as well, fyi.
[3:15] <Tachyon`> I suspect the image provided has it though so it'd all have to be removed
[3:15] <Tachyon`> well, or gdm disabled
[3:15] <zarac> Tachyon`: Alos, there's puppy linux which is super light weight (i've never used it). http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM
[3:15] <Tachyon`> but given I only have a 4GB card to hand I'd rather not have X eating a chunk of it if I don't need i
[3:16] <zarac> Tachyon`: Actually i think the image comes without.
[3:16] <Tachyon`> oh, not even tried mounting it as yet, perhaps I should
[3:17] <zarac> ; )
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[3:17] <kyzz> Is mint considered "lightweight"?
[3:18] <passstab> no
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[3:18] <Tachyon`> I keep thinking that's the ST Mint (is not TOS) whenever I see mentionings of it
[3:18] <passstab> there are lighter versions tho
[3:19] <passstab> i.e lxde, lmde, xfce
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[3:20] <no-name-> lmde
[3:20] <no-name-> never heard of that one
[3:20] <no-name-> I hope MATE turns out well
[3:20] <passstab> linux mint debian edit
[3:20] <no-name-> ahh
[3:20] <no-name-> has anybody here tried MATE?
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[3:20] <passstab> yes
[3:20] <no-name-> a.k.a. the gnome 2 fork
[3:21] <no-name-> passstab: good?
[3:21] <passstab> nope
[3:21] <no-name-> :(
[3:21] <no-name-> bummer
[3:21] <passstab> sorry
[3:21] <no-name-> I love gnome2
[3:21] <no-name-> don't like 3 at all
[3:21] <passstab> there is no battery indicator
[3:22] <no-name-> well, it's still early days
[3:22] <passstab> and the wireless indicator went away
[3:22] <Tachyon`> that downloaded very quickly, heh
[3:22] <passstab> i suggest you move on
[3:22] <passstab> i'm trying xfce right now
[3:22] <Tachyon`> enlightenment would run very well on the pi
[3:23] <passstab> any xfce users here?
[3:23] <passstab> the fonts look like shit
[3:23] <Tachyon`> yeah, me
[3:23] <Tachyon`> the pandora uses it
[3:23] <zarac> passstab: I am ; )
[3:24] <passstab> how do i make the fonts look better?
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[3:24] <zarac> no clue ;(
[3:24] <zarac> Mine are fine.
[3:24] <passstab> :(
[3:26] <zarac> passstab: Don't know if it matters.. but do you have freetype installed?
[3:26] <passstab> hmm
[3:26] <shirro> I noticed au element 14 is out to 66 days now. My illusions about Chinese manufacturing capacity are being shattered.
[3:26] <des2> 100,000 is a lot.
[3:26] <des2> Workers can only work 23 hours/day
[3:27] <zarac> ouch
[3:27] <passstab> yes
[3:27] <DaQatz> des2, that just means they need to add more hours to the day
[3:27] <passstab> it looks fine in gnome 2
[3:27] <shirro> des2: They are just boards. I thought most of the process would be automated.
[3:27] <passstab> but in xfce it looks all wrong
[3:27] <DaQatz> Example if a day 236 hours long the working getting 8 hours sday is easy!
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[3:28] <shirro> That bloody one child policy!! They could have had a bunch of kids in their working all night making my toys.
[3:29] <des2> We'll have to wait for the Raspberry Pi factory expose'
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[3:29] <zarac> passstab: I really don't know, sorry. ;
[3:30] <zarac> : (
[3:30] <shirro> If the Chinese won't work hard enough let the Mumbai slums have the work.
[3:30] <passstab> oh well thanks anyways
[3:31] <shirro> The missus just lost here iPhone charger. Wonder where it went :-)
[3:32] <passstab> no-name- why don't you like xfce?
[3:33] <no-name-> I didn't say that
[3:33] <no-name-> I don't like gnome3 and unity
[3:33] <miskates> hella same
[3:33] <passstab> then why don't you stick to xf?
[3:34] <no-name-> I'll try xfce
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[3:35] <shirro> How many people will run an x desktop on this? I imagine I would be connecting via ssh and running stuff full screen without X.
[3:35] <no-name-> I tried it before and thought it was fine
[3:35] <no-name-> but I didn't like it in xubuntu 11.10
[3:35] <no-name-> bbl
[3:36] <des2> Did you run X on a 1 Gig pentium ?
[3:37] <shirro> I ran X on a 486dx2/66. But about in equal parts with console.
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[3:39] <shirro> My crappy Tseng card at the time didn't have an OpenGL implementation though so the console was probably slightly less WOW
[3:39] <des2> yeah I also ran X back in the 486/66 days
[3:40] <des2> You just have to runthe unbloated version of things.
[3:40] <shirro> I keep looking at those QT Quick demos and my mind is blown
[3:42] <des2> Just prevent the RPi OS from writing pages out to the SD
[3:43] <shirro> Disable swap. It is a pity someone doesn't put a few gig of volatile RAM on a USB stick.
[3:44] <zarac> I also ran X on my 486! ; )
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[3:46] <shirro> Swap over NBD? That is probably silly.
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[3:47] <des2> Heh USB ram.
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[3:49] <SpeedEvil> I'd really love a SD card with 16G of flash, and 2G of RAM
[3:50] <zarac> des2: Ah, perhaps that's a good idea! ; )
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[3:50] <zarac> SpeedEvil: Are there such SD cards?
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[3:51] <shirro> Yeah the RAM wouldn't have to be fast. Just faster. Good for /tmp and swap.
[3:51] <SpeedEvil> No
[3:51] <zarac> I'm gonna put my RPi in a full ATX case. ; )
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[3:52] * SpeedEvil ponders his AT case.
[3:52] <shirro> I might have to take up smoking to get a case
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[3:52] <zarac> eh? ; )
[3:52] <zarac> smoking?
[3:53] <miskates> to put your rasberry pi in a cigarette box?
[3:53] <zarac> oh, lol ; )
[3:53] <miskates> ;]
[3:53] <zarac> Too bad my nintendo 8-bit still works. It would make a nice case. ; )
[3:54] <zarac> fid like 4 hard drives in there too, perfect
[3:54] <zarac> maybe more!
[3:54] <zarac> perhaps it fits with the original parts still there ; )
[3:56] <des2> Pity all the connectors aren't on the same side of the board
[3:56] <zarac> yeah :(
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[3:59] <Mookman288> Wish I had the dedication to create a case model and have it printed.
[4:00] <Mookman288> would take soo much time
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[4:01] <mkopack> Ok, I give up??? I just can't seem to get the damn debian image to be bigger so I'd have more room to install stuff??? Sigh
[4:01] <mkopack> des: Yeah, that is a bit frustrating???
[4:01] <mkopack> Makes it tough to make any sort of nice looking case
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[4:02] <Dagger2> mkopack: use gparted to delete the swap partition and then expand the root partition
[4:03] <mkopack> when I try it doesn't even SHOW that partition
[4:03] <mkopack> I don't know what I'm doing wrong...
[4:03] <mkopack> IT says it can't read the partitions, that it's as non-standard partition, and only shows it as 1 big partition
[4:04] <Dagger2> how are you running it?
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[4:06] <mkopack> I go into LXDE, run the gparted tool. it asks for the root password??? It pops up and shows only the 1 partition
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[4:08] <mkopack> I tried going through the instructions to do it via the command line that was posted on one of the forum threads, but I just get errors about it not understanding the partitions
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[4:10] <[deXter]> So, anyone know of any site that will ship the pi by, say, next month?
[4:10] <[deXter]> Because our local Farnell site says further stock will be available only in 66 days. :(
[4:12] <mkopack> dexter: At this point I think you'd be so far behind in the queue that next month is basically impossible, unless somebody gets one from the early stock and puts it up on ebay
[4:12] <[deXter]> mkopack, I was on both RS/farnell since zero hour and I was always redirected to "register your interest"..
[4:12] <[deXter]> I did "register my interest" but I'm not sure if that means I'm in some sort of a queue.
[4:13] <mkopack> Well, if you DID register your interest at that time on the RS site, sit tight. You should get an email this week with info on how to order
[4:13] <mkopack> They're going to fulfill orders from there in order of registering interest
[4:13] <[deXter]> Oh? That's good to know.
[4:13] <Dagger2> mkopack: I can only guess that you're pointing it at the wrong file or something. I tested parted the other day and it could list the partitions correctly, so I believe it works
[4:14] <mkopack> Dagger2 :I don't know??? You're talking about running parted from within the qemu environment right?
[4:14] <shirro> I am annoyed that I didn't register for RS on day one. I got my order in on Farnell without many issues and was content. Thinking I should have gone for a second source early incase Farnell drop the ball.
[4:15] <Dagger2> mkopack: no. you're not going to be able to resize the rootfs with it mounted; do it on your host system
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[4:23] <steve_rox> suddenly news websites start posting sorrys about failures to get PI details right
[4:23] <passstab> steve_rox where?
[4:23] <klm[_]> main pi www
[4:24] <klm[_]> the whole pre-order on release day was weak
[4:24] <klm[_]> ;p
[4:26] * klm[_] sighs
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[4:28] <mkopack> Ah.. k
[4:28] <unreal-dude> preorder = 2 weeks early minimum
[4:28] <unreal-dude> :p
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[4:29] <mkopack> kim: that wasn't the foundation's fault??? RS dropped the ball there
[4:29] <ddss|mips> ffffff
[4:30] <klm[_]> true
[4:30] <klm[_]> o well
[4:31] <klm[_]> im waiting on a cased pi
[4:32] <unreal-dude> oh well
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[4:32] <unreal-dude> it was still a big day for the "Internet of Things"
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[4:32] <hotwings> mkopack - your april 3rd shipdate still april 3rd?
[4:32] <unreal-dude> "Internet of *Cheaper* Things"
[4:33] <shirro> I sometimes think the Australian Element 14 which hasn't been giving out shipping dates is the only honest one.
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[4:34] <Tachyon`> er, these boards aren't really allocating 128MB to the GPU are they?
[4:34] <mkopack> Yup, still says it
[4:34] <mkopack> just checked
[4:34] <shirro> Tachyon`: It is configurable.
[4:35] <Tachyon`> given a 1080p screen is about 8MB I can't see why it'd need more than 32MB allocated to video in general use
[4:35] <hotwings> mine switched from 4/3 too 5/14 >:(
[4:35] <shirro> Tachyon`: Lots of textures
[4:35] <mkopack> doh
[4:35] <DaQatz> Tachyon`, Then set yours to only use 32
[4:35] <shirro> I think I read 48 should be good. Something to play with.
[4:36] <DaQatz> 32 64 and 128
[4:36] <hotwings> Tachyon` - you need more than just the sole size of a single frame
[4:36] <Tachyon`> it'll be a pain in the arse though working on the assumption there might be as little as 128 available for running code, particularly given X will eat a good portion of that
[4:36] <DaQatz> Are currently the only selections I think
[4:36] <Tachyon`> yes and 32 is 4 times the size of a single frame
[4:36] <hotwings> for example, a buffer
[4:36] <Tachyon`> yes, you could have 1 or 2 of them and still have 8MB free
[4:37] <DaQatz> And textures?
[4:37] <hotwings> frame sent to gpu -> compressed into buffer -> (post processing)
[4:37] <mkopack> Keep in mind the GPU does some other things as well
[4:37] <mkopack> and needs memory for that
[4:37] <shirro> If anyone is crazy to run 3d unity compiz composited desktop will probably run out of ram for CPU well before they run out of textures.
[4:37] <Tachyon`> I didn't just pluck that number out of my arse, heh
[4:37] <DaQatz> And the blob itself?
[4:37] <hotwings> *decompressed, sorry
[4:37] <Tachyon`> but aye, 3D stuff would probably need more, although I note my original voodoo card had 4MB in total
[4:37] <Tachyon`> but I was thinking for 2D use only
[4:38] <DaQatz> Do not forget the GPU is a full processor. it needs more ram then JUST the buffers and textures
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[4:38] <Tachyon`> hrm, it shouldn't need much more than that actually
[4:38] <DaQatz> Well the blob is what 20 megs?
[4:38] <DaQatz> There is 20 used there
[4:39] <Tachyon`> good lord
[4:39] <Tachyon`> assumed that'd be loaded into main memory
[4:39] <DaQatz> No that's for the gou
[4:39] <DaQatz> gpu*
[4:39] <shirro> Might as well boot to basic and run one app at a time
[4:40] <DaQatz> Since the gpu also does things like boot the system bring up the hardware and reads from the sd card...
[4:40] <DaQatz> Plus it runs an api, not just random execution
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[4:40] <Tachyon`> excuse me, the /GPU/ boots the system?
[4:40] <DaQatz> Yes
[4:40] <klm[_]> yes
[4:40] <shirro> The CPU is just the co-processor
[4:41] <Tachyon`> gl
[4:41] <Tachyon`> this architecture is giving me a headache already
[4:41] <DaQatz> When the system starts the gpu reads the sd card and grabs the blob.
[4:41] <Tachyon`> and I've not even seen a board yet
[4:41] <unreal-dude> well, thats different, glad my PC dont operate in that way
[4:41] <DaQatz> It then starts the hardware etc...
[4:41] <DaQatz> Then loads the kernel and releases control.
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[4:42] <shirro> Then the GPU says "Feed Me, Feed Me!" and the CPU says "I am going as fast as I can"
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[4:43] <shirro> And the CPU says "Well can I at least have L2 cache". and the GPU says "Mine. It is all mine! <evil laugh>"
[4:44] <ebarch> haha
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[4:46] <unreal-dude> hrm
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[4:46] <[deXter]> shirro, Please continue, I like the story so far!
[4:47] <Gustavo_Fring> The GPU removes its pants...
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[4:48] <Axman6> Gus D:
[4:49] <shirro> "OMG, You are sooo biiiig!"
[4:50] <miskates> oh god what
[4:50] <ddss|mips> hot
[4:51] <ddss|mips> keep going
[4:51] <miskates> yeah i was just about to flush my cache when you stopped
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[4:52] <shirro> Sorry, had to wipe shit of a babies arse. Hope that didn't kill the mood.
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[4:53] <miskates> damn it
[4:53] <miskates> now my disk is a floppy
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[4:58] <shirro> On the VideoCore wikipedia page it describes the ARM cpus as the second core on the VideoCore chip. I think that sort of describes what is going on with these things.
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[5:01] <[deXter]> Yep. Looks like the GPU Liberation movement is spreading fast these days. The next thing you know, GPUs will want to run for president!
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[5:09] <GabrialDestruir> I find it odd that somehow both my classes have me using loops to populate stuff .-.
[5:09] <mkopack> Yeah, The arm core is more like a damn coprocessor for the GPU
[5:09] <mkopack> Why's that Gab?
[5:09] <mkopack> Why odd?
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[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> idk, that they're both expecting it in the same week? .-.
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[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> just seems odd
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[6:10] <DaQatz> SO I've been looking at this laptops memory for awhile thinking... Damn I could have sworn this laptop had 2 gigs (it read 880 megs)
[6:11] <DaQatz> So last reboot I look, yep 2 gigs.
[6:11] <DaQatz> I run memtest
[6:11] <DaQatz> All is fine.
[6:12] <DaQatz> Seems last kernel upgrade highmem in the kernel got turned off and I didn't notice.
[6:13] <DaQatz> So for that last few months I've been running a laptop with 2 gigs of ram, on less 900 megs ram. And wondering why it had so little ram...
[6:13] <Syliss> lol
[6:14] <Syliss> i wonder if my web cam will run on the rpi
[6:14] <DaQatz> I Depends on the cam I assume.
[6:15] <DaQatz> An hd cam may have issues
[6:15] <Dagger2> I had a similar experience on my mother's laptop... I'm fiddling around in boot.ini, and notice that it has "/maxmem=512"
[6:15] <Dagger2> I have no idea when or why that was set, but the laptop actually had 1 GB in it O.o
[6:16] <Syliss> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002MCZJ78/ref=asc_df_B002MCZJ781924708?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B002MCZJ78
[6:16] <Syliss> thats what i have, got it free from twitter year or two ago
[6:17] <shirro> So x264 is the new standard for SD piracy. Looks like the foundations licensing fee was well spent.
[6:20] <hotwings> who rips sd x264?
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[6:24] <shirro> Apparently it is the standard for scene releases now. No more xvid avi. Not an expert, I just reddit somewhere.
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[6:28] <Syliss> lol
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[6:50] <hotwings> shirro - theres a new x264 sd ruleset but nobody is taking it seriously
[6:50] <hotwings> sd xvid isnt going anywhere
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[6:50] <hotwings> xvid in general for that matter since scene groups actually care about things like standalone player compatibility
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[7:12] <DaQatz> Slow night.
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[7:13] <Syliss> yeah
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[7:13] <Syliss> i think ill use a model A to record my cats
[7:13] <Syliss> cause I'm ballin like that
[7:14] <DaQatz> The model A looks real nice now that it has 256 megs
[7:14] <Syliss> i want amazon to carry the pi so bad
[7:14] <DaQatz> I can add my own hub
[7:14] <Syliss> yeah, i don't need net on it if I'm just recording my cats
[7:15] <Syliss> ill get a wifi usb card tho
[7:15] <DaQatz> I can simply add net as I please.
[7:15] <DaQatz> Example usb wifi
[7:15] <DaQatz> N adapters are dime a dozen
[7:15] <Syliss> i wish
[7:15] <Syliss> but they are cheap
[7:16] <Syliss> like less then $10
[7:16] <Syliss> and I've been getting lots of amazon gift cards from bing and swagbucks
[7:16] <DaQatz> N wifi = better then B's ethernet
[7:16] <Syliss> tru
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[7:17] <DaQatz> The only issue I ever had with model A was less ram.
[7:17] <DaQatz> Now that it has the same ram....
[7:17] <elmo40> no sense having it on amazon if it can't even be made fast enough for the demand!
[7:18] <elmo40> look at the iPad3, they are already calling for short supply...
[7:18] <Syliss> elmo40: i can't wait for wednesday
[7:18] <Syliss> i hope they still sell the ipad2 at a lower price
[7:18] <DaQatz> Can I get ipad1's free yet?
[7:18] <des2> Where do I go to express disinterest in the iPad 3 ?
[7:18] <DaQatz> des3 here is fine
[7:19] <DaQatz> I also could care less
[7:19] <Lerc> Anyone tried Swap via Wireless N?
[7:19] <Syliss> I'm planning on selling my macbook pro, getting a used macbook and either iPad 2 or 3
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[7:19] <des2> The model A is pretty compelling with 256 MB
[7:20] <Syliss> yeah I'm thinking of buying a model A and B
[7:20] <DaQatz> Lerc, I have done swap with wifi G
[7:20] <hotwings> i guess if youre going to saturate the usb bus either way, model A + N might be a good bet
[7:20] <DaQatz> Works
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[7:20] <DaQatz> Not fast though
[7:20] <Lerc> DaQatz: Masochist.
[7:20] <hotwings> is there a date for the model a?
[7:20] <DaQatz> Meh was a 300mhz mips anyway
[7:20] <Syliss> nope
[7:21] <Syliss> was in radio shack on friday and they have arduino now
[7:21] <DaQatz> WUT?
[7:21] <Syliss> yeah
[7:21] <Syliss> had like 4 diff boards
[7:22] <Syliss> was so surprised
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[7:22] <Syliss> prices was meh, but still
[7:22] <DaQatz> arduino has gone "mainstream"
[7:22] <Syliss> idk what to do with all my amazon gc ill by the end of the month
[7:22] <Syliss> yeah i was like, omg wtf is this
[7:24] <DaQatz> Now people who are to lazy or ignorant to solder will buy and say "Wtf is this?"
[7:24] <Syliss> thats me
[7:24] <Syliss> im to lazy
[7:24] <Syliss> its a bit expensive tho
[7:25] <DaQatz> Gte one, solder to pi's memory lanes. Reverse Engineer the GPU.
[7:26] <Mistakes> erm
[7:26] <Mistakes> why would you reverse engineer it when it's specifications are already open sourced?
[7:26] <DaQatz> They are not
[7:26] <Mistakes> i stand corrected
[7:27] <Mistakes> why wouldn't they use something completely open source for the raspberry pi?
[7:27] <DaQatz> Cost before license
[7:27] <Mistakes> it makes too much sense i guess
[7:27] <Mistakes> ah
[7:28] <Ben64> name a gpu that is completely open source
[7:28] <DaQatz> Want a $25 dollar pi or $60 dollar one?
[7:28] <DaQatz> Same specs
[7:29] * DaQatz fans the smell of the $60
[7:29] <Mistakes> yeah i get what you're saying
[7:29] <DaQatz> Sorry pulled that one out of my @$$
[7:29] <Mistakes> i'm just surprised
[7:29] <Syliss> lol
[7:29] <Mistakes> i want an open source cellphone
[7:30] <Syliss> never gonna happen
[7:30] <Mistakes> so i can get a smart phone that i know isn't tracking me
[7:30] <Ben64> use tinfoil hat
[7:30] <Mistakes> ha
[7:30] <Syliss> hey Ben64
[7:30] <Mistakes> surely you jest
[7:30] <Ben64> Syliss: sup
[7:31] <Syliss> trying not to cut my leg off, like normal
[7:31] <Ben64> Mistakes: if someone wants to track you, they will, no matter what your cell phone says about it
[7:31] <Ben64> Syliss: that'd likely increase your problems
[7:31] <Mistakes> they won't be using my phone to do it though
[7:31] <Dagger2> Ben64: that doesn't make it ok for your cell phone to track you too
[7:31] <Syliss> i know
[7:32] <Ben64> protip: every cell phone is required by law to provide location to the authorities
[7:32] <Syliss> dude, the towers can track u
[7:32] <Mistakes> i use a prepaid dumbphone and i remove the battery from it when not in use
[7:32] <Ben64> so i was right... tinfoil hat
[7:32] <Mistakes> laugh if you want
[7:32] <Syliss> with u are a loser
[7:32] <Ben64> way ahead of you
[7:32] <Syliss> wth*
[7:33] <DaQatz> Well his hat is shiny and yours is not.
[7:33] <Mistakes> let me know how your privacy is in 5 years
[7:33] <Ben64> my privacy is doing swell
[7:33] <Mistakes> you keep thinking that
[7:33] <Ben64> ok
[7:33] <DaQatz> Your name is Ban, and you use a 64 bit machine.
[7:34] <Ben64> half right
[7:34] <DaQatz> See I already have alot of info about you...
[7:34] <DaQatz> NOES!
[7:34] <DaQatz> Your name b=must be ben!
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[7:34] <Ben64> but i was Ben64 before 64 bit
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[7:34] <Ben64> and you said "Ban" at first :)
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[7:35] <DaQatz> Well 5 shots of scotch will affect your spelling.
[7:35] <Mistakes> well, you're sending your connection through an ipv6 tunnel, which is very smart
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[7:35] <Ben64> didn't even realize that, heh
[7:36] <Mistakes> unless you live in one of those places where they already have ipv6 for residential internet
[7:36] <DaQatz> Isps need to hurry the * up with ipv6
[7:36] <Ben64> yep
[7:36] <Ben64> my 2nd server has native ipv6 now
[7:36] <Mistakes> developers need to hurry up with suport
[7:37] <Ben64> everything already supports it
[7:37] <Mistakes> everything important
[7:37] <DaQatz> Near every program I use supports it.
[7:37] <unreal-dude> hardware wise absolutely
[7:37] <DaQatz> So does my router
[7:37] <Mistakes> a lot of old stuff needs patched
[7:37] <Ben64> all down to the ISPs
[7:37] <Dagger2> well, I know what *doesn't* support it: the Debian and Arch images published at raspberrypi.org
[7:37] <Ben64> really?
[7:37] <Mistakes> damn
[7:37] <unreal-dude> now software ventors need to realize that v6 happens on desktops and that security software needs to know this
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> Okay this is really killing me -.-
[7:38] <DaQatz> Well That's one reason I use gentoo.
[7:38] <Dagger2> yeah, really. :/
[7:38] <unreal-dude> btw, im loving googles almost 100% v6 ability
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[7:38] <Dagger2> the Fedora image should have support, so that's one thing, but it's disabled by the bcm2835 patches and thus by default for the RPi unless specifically enabled
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> I can populate a list with Jan, Feb etc, but it sends the months to the display page as 1,2,3 and I can't figure out how to use an array and foreach to change it back .-.
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[7:44] <Ben64> Dagger2: but why
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[7:46] <Dagger2> Ben64: if I had any clue :|
[7:46] <Dagger2> I suspect they may have just copied one of the other default config files. a lot of the other ARM platforms also disable IPv6
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[7:55] <Syliss> y?
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[8:19] <Syliss> anyone know how much element14 is charging for shipping?
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[8:22] <Algo> The new models have two USB ports, right?
[8:22] <Milos> rite
[8:22] <rm> Syliss, depends on where to
[8:22] <Milos> Actually I don't know
[8:22] <Milos> not sure about Model A
[8:23] <Syliss> i think only 1
[8:23] <Ben64> A is probably still one
[8:23] <Syliss> 1 for charging and one for data
[8:23] <Milos> yes but the one for charging is miniscule.
[8:24] <Milos> I wouldn't count it as a "USB port"
[8:24] <Milos> even though it is
[8:24] <Syliss> Milos: lol its a micro
[8:24] <Milos> yea
[8:24] <Milos> h
[8:24] <Milos> but when people say how many USB ports they are only talking about data
[8:24] <Syliss> i know
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> Technically though....
[8:24] <Syliss> just sayin
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> It's more a power port than a proper USB
[8:24] <Milos> that's what I'm saying
[8:24] <Syliss> me too
[8:24] <des2> It's a usb shaped power jack
[8:25] <Milos> yah
[8:25] <Syliss> but there is only 1 standard usb port on the A
[8:25] <Syliss> I'm planning on getting 1 of each
[8:25] <Syliss> im tempted to put one in a wrt54g
[8:25] <Ben64> the A doesn't suck anymore
[8:26] <Syliss> cause of the ram
[8:26] <Ben64> yep
[8:26] <Ben64> B is still going to be my media player though
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[8:28] <Syliss> yeah i need the nic and usb ports
[8:28] <Syliss> unless i get a usb wifi card
[8:28] <Syliss> i have an old ms b card but i doubt it will run in linux
[8:29] <Ben64> b : /
[8:30] <Syliss> this one http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Broadband-Networking-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00006IJO6
[8:30] <Syliss> hey, it was free
[8:30] <des2> I have old USB wifi devices that won't even run on Windows 7
[8:30] <Ben64> wireless b sucks though
[8:30] <Ben64> can get a tiny N adapter for <$10
[8:30] <Syliss> yeha
[8:30] <Syliss> yeah*
[8:31] <peepsalot> what is a missing that b has, just one usb port, and hdmi?
[8:31] <Syliss> and i have like $25 in amazon gc already
[8:31] <Ben64> A still has hdmi
[8:31] <Syliss> peepsalot: nic and usb hub
[8:31] <Syliss> that is all
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[8:32] <Ben64> i wonder if the ?? can play dvds
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[8:32] <Syliss> idk...
[8:32] <Ben64> i know it doesn't have hardware mpeg2
[8:32] <Ben64> but dvd isn't high res
[8:33] <Syliss> true
[8:33] <Syliss> 480p/i
[8:33] <Ben64> if it does, i can use the hdmi from my dvd player (xbox 360)
[8:33] <Syliss> ?
[8:33] <Ben64> because i never use the 360 for anything
[8:33] <Ben64> my tv has only one hdmi
[8:34] <Syliss> oh
[8:34] <Syliss> my 360 is my media player
[8:34] <Syliss> since it plays avi and mp4
[8:34] <Ben64> doesn't play mkv
[8:34] <Syliss> i dl tv shows and stream it from a usb drive
[8:34] <Syliss> nope i hate that
[8:34] <Ben64> i have almost all mkv
[8:34] <Syliss> but i can convert mkv to mp4 easy
[8:35] <Ben64> but then audio sucks :(
[8:35] <Syliss> i don't have a sound system
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[8:35] <Ben64> still sucks
[8:35] <Syliss> so audio sounds fine for me
[8:35] <Ben64> aac sounds like crap compared to ac3
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[8:35] <Syliss> any compressed audio will sound like crap
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[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> I hope with more people wanting it as a media player we'll be able to get more licenses in the long run.
[8:37] <Syliss> doubt it
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> I mean, even if it's educational, most likely kids will want to be able to use it to it's fullest Media Center potential when they're not busy coding on it.
[8:39] <Ben64> then everyone would have to pay more
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> Not neccesarily, make it a codec pack, you pay extra for the codecs if you want them.
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[8:40] <Ben64> then it'd be shared so fast
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Gah, there needs to be a decent way to do it.
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[8:42] <Syliss> i wonder how good the pi will be at web cracking
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[8:43] <Syliss> i wish i could put it in my wrt54g and just war drive
[8:43] <[deXter]> Lol, did you guys see the news.com.au article?
[8:43] <Syliss> power it with the router
[8:43] <Ben64> why always wrt54g
[8:43] <[deXter]> http://www.news.com.au/technology/time-to-eat-humble-raspberry-pi-linux-is-not-a-processor/story-e6frfro0-1226289027768
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> Because people already have WRT54Gs lying around?
[8:45] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like they still got some of it wrong... lol
[8:46] <[deXter]> Yeah
[8:46] <Syliss> i have 2
[8:46] <GabrialDestruir> Farnell and RS don't have bundles yet, do they?
[8:46] <[deXter]> Not that I know of.
[8:46] <GabrialDestruir> You have 2 already?
[8:46] <[deXter]> Well, Farnell AU does.
[8:46] <GabrialDestruir> or you mean 54Gs?
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[8:46] <[deXter]> Or atleast one of the Farnells.
[8:47] <Syliss> yes GabrialDestruir
[8:47] <Syliss> no one here as a pi
[8:47] <Syliss> unless they bought them from ebay last year
[8:47] <[deXter]> Or unless they are the pi makers themselves. ;)
[8:48] <Syliss> even then
[8:48] <Syliss> element14 says ship date of 4/4
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[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> Heh.... I forget that people have to wait til obscene dates like April 16
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[8:50] <Syliss> GabrialDestruir: whats ur date?
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> April 16
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
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[8:52] <Syliss> lol
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir> I was going to call newark tomorrow see if I can find out more info about it
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[8:52] <Syliss> im torn, idk if i want to order it or just wait a little while
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[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> Order know and at least you know you'll eventually get one
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> as opposed to waiting and finding out they randomly decided the Pi isn't worth production or something :p
[8:53] <Syliss> that would suck
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[8:58] <des2> Wait and get the A...
[9:00] <Syliss> ?
[9:00] <Syliss> gah y?*
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> A is cheaper.... but B has ethernet.
[9:00] <Syliss> i need to get a powered hub
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> You can probably get one on newegg like 10 bucks
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[9:04] <Syliss> yeah
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[9:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:41] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Mon Mar 5 07:50:00 2012. Temp 6??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 7??C - 0??C. Condition: Clear.
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[10:00] <Syliss> ugh irc is dead tonight
[10:01] <FireFly> Night.. heh
[10:01] * FireFly just had breakfast
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[10:03] <Syliss> FireFly: I'm in cali so its 1am
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[10:05] <Hourd> good morning
[10:07] <FireFly> 'morning
[10:09] <alk__> good moaning
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[10:14] <Hourd> mondays...
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[10:14] <hotwings> Syliss - PST here too
[10:15] <hotwings> ill grumble about monday mornings in about 6-7 hours
[10:16] <Syliss> hotwings: do u work today/morrow
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[10:22] <Anppa> is it out yet?
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[10:24] <Syliss> Anppa: yes
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[10:25] <Anppa> nah, just for interest-registering purposes :P
[10:25] <Syliss> ???.
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[10:26] <Syliss> its still not out yet anyways :/
[10:31] <Anppa> i'll prefer to wait for the "available and you can buy a couple" kind of outness anyway
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[10:34] <zabomber> somebody pm me please
[10:35] <zabomber> ta
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[11:02] <zabomber> anyone here actually got a raspi?
[11:03] <weasel> haha
[11:03] <zabomber> asdf
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[11:05] <[deXter]> Yes, I had a raspberry pie once. Was quite delicious.
[11:05] <Syliss> me too
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[11:17] <Hourd> om nom nom
[11:19] <techman2> evening all
[11:19] <jamesd256> My mum makes a dessert with raspberrys and parkin cake with whipped cream...legendary stuff
[11:19] <jamesd256> ..although not a pie
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[11:21] <huene> where can i order?
[11:21] <Syliss> go to www.raspberrypi.org
[11:22] <huene> no, i meant his mums dessert :)
[11:22] <Syliss> lol
[11:22] <Syliss> haha, arch is out before fedora
[11:22] <tero> all this talk about raspebberies...
[11:22] <huene> yepp, already mirrored it
[11:22] <huene> and seeding
[11:22] <tero> it is a long time I have eat a raspberry
[11:22] <tero> :)
[11:23] <huene> i ate raspberry jam yesterday
[11:23] * techman2 is seeding the arch image also
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[11:27] <jamesd256> I was both pleased and dismayed to read the metro article
[11:27] <jamesd256> pleased because the information is being disseminated
[11:27] <jamesd256> dismayed because I want them to wait until I've got one before they do that
[11:28] <techman2> what was the metro article?
[11:28] <jamesd256> and because of all the usual popularist shortcomings in their explanations
[11:28] <jamesd256> techman2: there was a double page spread in the metro this morning about the rpi and how it's going to change the world blah blah
[11:29] <techman2> ahh
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[11:30] <techman2> I'm glad news.com.au gave a correction to their article
[11:30] <haltdef> rewritten the lot, you mean
[11:30] <haltdef> :P
[11:30] <techman2> haha, yeah pretty much
[11:31] <techman2> it was a terrible article
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[11:35] <techman2> heh
[11:35] <techman2> Element14 oz is showing 66 day lead time now.
[11:35] <Anppa> lead time is not RoHS compliant :]
[11:36] <techman2> heh
[11:36] <techman2> they have a quick start guide up now
[11:38] <Anppa> step 1: wait 66 days
[11:39] <techman2> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1524403.pdf
[11:44] <techman2> looks like the arch image is well seeded
[11:48] <Anppa> i tried (regular) argh linux on my laptop, seems nice
[11:48] <nuil> Anppa: argh linux, where do i get it?
[11:48] <techman2> haha
[11:48] <Anppa> :]
[11:48] <techman2> "Argh Linux: Frustrating to the core."
[11:49] <nuil> techman2: "Based on the famous arch linux"
[11:50] <techman2> I think I will give arch a go when my pi comes
[11:50] <Anppa> there was some arghing involved, my asspire one has a borken ssd, and I tweaked booting off usb and root on sd
[11:50] <techman2> since I only want a minimal build on it really.
[11:50] <FireFly> I'll definitely run arch on mine
[11:51] <Anppa> it also seems a bit more deterministic and non-bloated, in comparison to all those mintbuntus
[11:52] <techman2> yeah
[11:52] <techman2> I run xubuntu on my desktop though, find it nice for what I need.
[11:52] <Anppa> hopefully the rolling upgrades work nicely
[11:53] <Anppa> unlike gentoo during the late days, there was always something that needed manual fixing when upgrading
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[11:54] <techman2> yeah, hopefully
[11:54] <techman2> rolling releases tend to have the odd breakage.
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[11:55] <Anppa> those are acceptable, if relatively infrequent
[11:56] <techman2> yes
[11:56] <jamesd256> techman2: xubuntu is nice, but have you tried Ubuntu server + XFCE 4?
[11:57] <nuil> what is this shit xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1280x1280 (desired size 2560x1024)
[11:57] <techman2> jamesd256: no I haven't, why do you ask?
[11:57] <jamesd256> nuil: I had that. AMD card?
[11:57] <nuil> jamesd256: yes
[11:57] <jamesd256> nuil: what drivers?
[11:58] <jamesd256> techman2: it's more minimal and basic, which I like
[11:58] <nuil> jamesd256: should be the amd drivers
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[11:59] <jamesd256> nuil: fglrx? or non proprietary?
[12:00] <nuil> jamesd256: fglrx
[12:01] <jamesd256> nuil: it was a while ago since I tried with xrandr, now I use amdcccle, and it's fine
[12:01] <nuil> jamesd256: yeah i found it
[12:01] <nuil> jamesd256: i will just reboot
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[12:02] <nuil> jamesd256: yes with amdcccle it works
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[12:10] <techman2> the rpi.org form is getting hammered (as usual).
[12:10] <techman2> *forum
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[12:13] <nuil> bazinga: 5.75MB/s
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[12:23] <nuil> why does qemu not boot over cdrom?
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[12:33] <techman2> hmmm
[12:33] <techman2> tty output is all screwed up on this machine :|
[12:34] <techman2> getting white background and garbage on the screen
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[12:44] <techman2> hey curahack
[12:44] <techman2> how's the site going?
[12:44] <curahack> hey
[12:44] <curahack> well, I don't know if you noticed
[12:44] <curahack> we had a complete hardware failure, leading to a complete dataloss, I've been working all weekend to get it up again
[12:45] <techman2> damn that sucks
[12:45] <techman2> raid array go down?
[12:45] <curahack> normally I'd have a backup but I deleted them because I was moving the backupserver to another provider this same weekend :(
[12:45] <techman2> ah crapstick.
[12:45] <curahack> No clue, my provider just said a hardware failure
[12:45] <curahack> so yeah,
[12:46] <curahack> everything (looks) back, however it's a bit of a crappy thing that all those registered users are gone
[12:46] <techman2> so the trainee wondered why the server had so many hard drives and yanked them out thinking they were spares?
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[12:46] <techman2> yeah that sucks
[12:46] <curahack> hahahahahaaaa, I wouldn't call that a "hardware" failure
[12:47] <techman2> glad you've got it back up for the most part
[12:47] <curahack> but yeah, crappy provider I guess,
[12:47] <techman2> what's the URL again?
[12:47] <curahack> in 2.5 weeks I'll be moving it to a GB server
[12:47] <curahack> https://rpi-developers.com
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[12:56] <techman2> firefox doesn't like your SSL.
[12:56] <curahack> I know :(
[12:56] <curahack> and Chrome has another strange issue, idk if you have it
[12:56] <techman2> no
[12:57] <nuil> curahack: opening the https site, will not work
[12:57] <techman2> only FF
[12:57] <nuil> curahack: but opening the http site, it works, in chrome
[12:57] <drazyl> is there an intermediary cert that needs installing?
[12:57] <techman2> it's saying your cert is not verified.
[12:57] <curahack> it's verified
[12:57] <curahack> I brought it
[12:58] <curahack> it works fine with Chrome
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[12:58] <curahack> however with chrome some java effects don't work
[12:58] <jzaw> curahack: whats with your cert?
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[12:59] <curahack> Comodo PositiveSSL
[12:59] <curahack> last time FF kept doing that, but It stopped after a few days
[12:59] <curahack> I had to re-submit the certificate due to the dataloss
[13:00] <curahack> so it will take another day or so...
[13:02] * jzaw nods thanks
[13:02] <Laban_> Can USB ports be powered on/off by software?
[13:03] <jzaw> as in their 5V ?
[13:03] <techman2> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
[13:03] <techman2> wrong link.
[13:03] <Laban_> jzaw: Yeah...
[13:04] <techman2> https://twitter.com/#!/ifeelsick/status/176634619142209538
[13:04] <techman2> lol
[13:04] <Laban_> Screw virtualization, daisychain a few rPI's instead ;D
[13:04] <nuil> :D
[13:04] <Laban_> Hard reboot = Cit the 5v USB
[13:04] <Laban_> *cut
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[13:09] <hbro> techman2: lol
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[13:21] <techman2> anyone had an ETA of mid march for their pi?
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[13:21] <curahack> mine said 14th
[13:21] <curahack> but it changed to 23 I think
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[13:21] <techman2> ah
[13:21] <des2> You were in the first batch apparently.
[13:21] <techman2> I still don't have an ETA on mine
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[13:23] <nrdb> Laban_, i dont think so... you could probably make a custom cable with a switch in it ...
[13:24] <techman2> curahack: who did you order through?
[13:24] <curahack> newark
[13:26] <des2> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/03/01/35-computer-goes-on-sale-in-Britain/UPI-73051330645260
[13:26] <techman2> ok
[13:27] <des2> Did Newark sell any from the first batch ?
[13:30] <techman2> not too sure
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[14:18] * Davespice has just had a brilliant idea
[14:18] <Laban_> Orly?
[14:19] <Davespice> Yeah, okay, what do we think about this... stand by (typing)
[14:19] <IT_Sean> ...
[14:19] <Anppa> how to keep a fool in suspension... :]
[14:19] <Davespice> When we get our Raspberry Pi's we conduct an experiment on ourselves, where we limit ourselves to using the Pi, only, for everything we usually do with computers (for say a weekend or a couple of days)
[14:19] <Laban_> Hold.... Hold! .... HOLD!!! *thinking of a scenefrom Braveheart*
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[14:20] <DKMM> Hi guys
[14:20] <Davespice> then blog the results... it would be a good test of it as a practical platform for people to use in anger (if you see what I mean)
[14:20] <DKMM> Could someone add my website to the list of hosts on the wiki? I can't bother registering an account just for adding a single line.
[14:20] <DKMM> http://powrtoch.org/rasppi/
[14:20] <IT_Sean> No thanks. I spent 6 months with a linux-running Pent II as my ONLY PC. So... No.
[14:21] <IT_Sean> DKMM: instructions for adding your mirror are on the raspi site.
[14:21] <IT_Sean> We have no control over the mirror list.
[14:21] <DKMM> IT_Sean: AFAIK there's a mirror list on the eLinux wiki as well.
[14:21] <Laban_> Davespice: I don't think I will that, but I see your point in it. I'll probably put up a blog about my findings though.
[14:22] <Davespice> you don't have to do it FOREVER, just a day or maybe even 12 hours
[14:22] <Davespice> just as an experiment, see how easy or painful it is
[14:22] <des2> I went 3 days witout electricity this past year. That was enough.
[14:22] <Laban_> Davespice: However, since my normal activities include using a browser and xbmc I don't think it will be much different on a Pi
[14:23] <Laban_> Hm... Has Flash been ported to ARM?
[14:23] <Davespice> thats exactly the kind of thing the test should show up
[14:23] <DKMM> Flash works my N900, so I guess.
[14:23] <des2> Flash - ha
[14:23] <Davespice> I wouldn't expect Flash to work on the Pi
[14:24] <des2> It won't.
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[14:24] <Davespice> not from the initial release at least...
[14:24] <Laban_> Probably not.
[14:24] <slaeshjag> Laban_: There's an experimental build floating around, but it's buggy and slow and uses no hardware acceleration for anything
[14:24] <slaeshjag> Laban_: And I don't know if it works on ARMv6
[14:24] <des2> Sounds like flash as usual.
[14:24] <Laban_> Flash is so abused in the web community.
[14:25] <DKMM> HTML5<3
[14:25] <Laban_> Flash on Linux works like crap anyways. :p
[14:25] <IT_Sean> I would not be disapointed to see flash disappear entirely
[14:25] <Hourd> Flash--
[14:25] <slaeshjag> des2: It works fast enough for Robot Unicorn Attack to be almost playable at 1.05 GHz with a Cortex-A8 :)
[14:25] <Laban_> Yes, HTML5 <3
[14:25] <IT_Sean> Actually, my current laptop is 100% flash free, and i don't miss it one bit!
[14:25] <Hourd> i work with webs tuff and the amount of flash that is requested and compatibility for IE6, hurts me
[14:26] <DKMM> IT_Sean: Do you use any Youtube client in that case?
[14:26] <Davespice> so the experiment could so that not having flash could be a bit painful etc, because you often watch amusing videos online etc etc, it's all part of the experiment
[14:26] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: I'm currently working towards total flash independence
[14:26] <IT_Sean> DKMM: nope.
[14:26] <IT_Sean> slaeshjag: fash isn't even an option for me. I have yet to find any sort of flash support that works at all for Linux on a PowerPC CPU.
[14:26] <slaeshjag> Davespice: At least there's kinda decent youtube clients out there
[14:26] <des2> I found one thing I could be thankful to Steve Jobs for - putting the nail into the flash coffin.
[14:26] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: Ah, you ard not on x86 :)
[14:27] <IT_Sean> slaeshjag: nope. Not yet, anyway. I'm getting a new linux laptop in a month or two
[14:27] <slaeshjag> IT_Sean: My long-term goal is to move over to MIPS64
[14:28] <ksx4system> MIPS64 <3
[14:28] <Davespice> anyway guys, I'm probably going to give it a go for say a weekend and report my findings on my blog
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[14:29] <Davespice> should be, and I emphasize should, be getting my Pi in the post next week from Monday onwards
[14:29] <des2> Mips64 ?!
[14:29] * des2 slips the postman $10 to reroute it.
[14:29] <Anppa> using one of those chinese cpus?
[14:30] * Mavy is now known as Mavy-bnc
[14:30] * Laban_ wonders if there's any SNES emu that plays well with ARM...
[14:30] <DKMM> Wouldn't most apps that work on the N900 work with the RaspPi?
[14:30] <PaulFertser> Laban_: i think there was a way to cut power on usb port if your controller supports it, i'll try to find a link.
[14:31] <h0llywood2> hi all
[14:31] <DKMM> h0llywood2: Hi
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[14:31] <Laban_> PaulFertser: Don't spend too much time on it. It was just a thought I played with to build host/guest system with Pi's.
[14:32] <h0llywood2> what are the best irc client for android ? :)
[14:32] <Laban_> UnVirtualization or something.
[14:32] <PaulFertser> BTW, what about a discussion mailing list for Pi? Where is it?
[14:32] <h0llywood2> i use and chat
[14:32] <Laban_> h0llywood2: ssh client with irssi ;)
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[14:34] <huene> Laban_: and screen?
[14:34] <PaulFertser> Laban_: i think this has all the links: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1163824/linux-usb-turning-the-power-on-and-off
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[14:38] <Laban_> huene: Yes, with screen.
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[14:41] <Stskeeps> moo PaulFertser
[14:41] <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: nya :)
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[14:42] <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: it's a pleasure to meet you here :)
[14:42] <Stskeeps> hehe
[14:42] <Stskeeps> doing mer for r-pi so
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[14:44] <PaulFertser> Stskeeps: any hope broadcom will fix OpenGL ES bugs better than Nokia did? ;)
[14:45] <Stskeeps> PaulFertser: dunno, it works okay
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[14:46] <PaulFertser> I seem to remember Raster found plenty of those back in the days with some scrutiny.
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[14:55] <Milos> do you know HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO FIND THE TWO SATA PORTS ON THIS THING
[14:55] <Milos> http://www.jtscomputers.co.nz/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=97
[14:55] <Milos> but I found them.
[14:56] <Milos> now I can sleep
[14:57] <techman2> hehe
[14:59] <techman2> I see one
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[14:59] <Milos> yeah. but there are two :|
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[15:00] <techman2> hrm
[15:00] <techman2> where's the second?
[15:00] <Milos> what colour is the one you found
[15:00] <tntexplosivesltd> there's a black and a white
[15:00] <tntexplosivesltd> I found them
[15:00] <Milos> tntexplosivesltd is right
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> I win
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> A+
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time actually
[15:01] <techman2> oh yeah spotted.
[15:01] <Milos> for anyone curious of what board: http://ark.intel.com/products/56455/Intel-Desktop-Board-DN2800MT
[15:01] <Milos> techman2, yeah took me a while :L
[15:02] <techman2> hrm, what's the power draw like on one of those?
[15:02] <Milos> 6W
[15:02] <Milos> comes with DC adapter
[15:02] <Milos> well 6W is the CPU
[15:02] <Milos> not 6W total, at least I don't know
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[15:02] <techman2> cedar trail has an SGX GPU doesn't it?
[15:03] <Milos> I
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[15:03] <Milos> 'm not too sure actually.
[15:03] <Milos> I think it's just some Intel graphics
[15:03] <Milos> I don't know
[15:03] <Milos> but I just bought that
[15:03] <Milos> haha
[15:03] <Milos> I guess I'll find out
[15:03] <Milos> I'm gonna make it my router
[15:04] <des2> The D2700DC has DVI and HDMI - dual display
[15:04] <Milos> yeah I wanted this one due to the natural 12V input
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[15:04] <Milos> and it had 2x internal serial ports and a PCI-E 1x
[15:04] <Milos> and lower power consumption I guess
[15:04] <Milos> and like an additional mini pci-e
[15:05] <techman2> just read a review from AT
[15:05] <Milos> aha?
[15:05] <techman2> http://www.anandtech.com/show/5273/intels-atom-n2600-n2800-d2700-the-heart-of-the-2012-netbook
[15:05] <Milos> :O
[15:05] <techman2> GPU is SGX545
[15:05] <Milos> oooh
[15:05] <techman2> no more GMA 3150
[15:05] <Milos> :D
[15:05] <Milos> was the latter bad?
[15:06] <techman2> most people don't think much of it
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[15:07] <Milos> it has support for mSATA in the pci-e slot
[15:07] <Milos> only problem is mSATA is kinda expensive
[15:08] <Milos> at least - I'm making a router out of it, mSATA isn't really important, but it would be nice as it just slots in. but then again so does a USB
[15:08] <weasel> what do I have to do to get a shipping date out of farnell?
[15:08] <Milos> weasel, if you've ordered, just chill.
[15:08] <Mookman288> what do I have to do to get a shipping cost
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[15:11] <Milos> flip, 'tis bedtiems for me. Gotta get up in like <3 hours.
[15:11] <Milos> bai
[15:11] <zer0her0> get up in heart hours?!
[15:11] <zer0her0> bye bye
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[15:12] <Milos> < 3
[15:12] <Milos> <= 3
[15:13] <Milos> less than 3
[15:13] <techman2> night
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[15:13] <Milos> night!
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[15:18] <techman2> channel is a lot busier compared to a few weeks back
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[15:34] <techman2> time for sleep.
[15:34] <techman2> night.
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[15:35] <Mowee> Hello
[15:36] <TeeCee> Hi
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[15:40] <normod> Howdie
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[15:48] * jamesd256 turns to stone
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[15:48] <zer0her0> totally calvin & hobbes style.
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[15:49] <normod> !weather
[15:49] <ahven> !w
[15:49] <PiBot> ahven: in kuressaare. Temp -3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later -2??C - -6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:49] <normod> !w
[15:49] <ahven> ugh, pretty off :P
[15:50] <ahven> ~ -0.9
[15:50] <normod> common PiBot you remeber me
[15:50] <normod> !weather stockholm, sweden
[15:50] <PiBot> normod: in stockholm, sweden. Temp 1??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 56%, Later 5??C - -6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:51] <h0llywood1> !weather turin, italy
[15:51] <PiBot> h0llywood1: in Turin, Piedmont. Temp 48??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 54??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:51] <h0llywood1> !weather -c
[15:51] <PiBot> Not found.
[15:52] <h0llywood1> !weather c
[15:52] <PiBot> Not found.
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[15:52] <Bellagio> !w
[15:52] <h0llywood1> !w
[15:52] <Dyason> !w
[15:52] <jzu> !w
[15:52] <Plankalkuel> !w
[15:52] <jzu> hmmm
[15:52] <normod> h0llywood1: !weather_set c
[15:52] <h0llywood1> normod :: thanks
[15:52] <h0llywood1> !weather_set c
[15:52] <PiBot> h0llywood1: You're now using celsius.
[15:52] <h0llywood1> !w
[15:52] <h0llywood1> !wheater turin, italy
[15:52] <Dyason> !w
[15:53] <h0llywood1> !weather turin, italy
[15:53] <PiBot> h0llywood1: in Turin, Piedmont. Temp 9??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 12??C - 5??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:53] <h0llywood1> !weather_set turin, italy
[15:53] <h0llywood1> !w
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> !w
[15:53] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife on Mon Mar 5 14:20:00 2012. Temp 283K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 37%, Later 281K - 273K. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:53] <h0llywood1> !weather help
[15:53] <PiBot> Not found.
[15:53] <h0llywood1> man weather
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[15:53] <h0llywood1> :D
[15:54] <h0llywood1> !weather_set
[15:54] <h0llywood1> !weather_set -h
[15:54] <h0llywood1> !weather -h
[15:54] <PiBot> Not found.
[15:55] <h0llywood1> ok how can i set my location?
[15:55] <h0llywood1> :)
[15:55] <steve_rox> so many years of irc bots and they never really found a usefull purpose for them :-P
[15:55] <Hourd> !w worcester
[15:55] <PiBot> Hourd: in Worcester, MA on Mon Mar 5 13:54:00 2012. Temp -4??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 53%, Later -1??C - -12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:55] <Hourd> !w worcester england
[15:55] <PiBot> Hourd: in Worcester, Worcestershire on Mon Mar 5 14:20:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 47%, Later 12??C - -2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:56] <steve_rox> whuts you doing in worcester?
[15:56] <Axman6> !w canberra
[15:56] <PiBot> Axman6: in Canberra, ACT on Tue Mar 6 06:30:00 2012. Temp 16??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 82%.
[15:56] <h0llywood1> SpeedEvil :: are you really using kelvin degrees?
[15:56] <steve_rox> im in droitwhich
[15:56] <Hourd> i live there
[15:56] <Mazon> steve_rox, echelog irc logging is nice, for when you're offline
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[15:56] <steve_rox> droitwich
[15:56] <Hourd> well close enough
[15:56] <Hourd> !w stourport
[15:56] <PiBot> Hourd: in Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire on Mon Mar 5 14:20:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 47%, Later 12??C - -2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:57] <steve_rox> Hourd , its werid i find someone so close to home in here
[15:57] <h0llywood1> !w jupiter
[15:57] <PiBot> Not found.
[15:57] <Hourd> steve_rox: hehe tis a bit considering the foundation is UK based
[15:57] <steve_rox> even werider
[15:57] <steve_rox> since probly most the PI's went to ppl outside the uk
[15:57] <Hourd> steve_rox: got one ordered?
[15:58] <steve_rox> nah
[15:58] <Matt> droitwich and stourport? :)
[15:58] <steve_rox> the launch was a diaster rember
[15:58] <steve_rox> im about 1-2 miles away from droitwich
[15:59] <Matt> I'm quite a bit further away :)
[15:59] <Hourd> Matt: you UK too?
[15:59] <Matt> I was
[15:59] <steve_rox> but there is a simpler way to get the weather and thats look out the window ;-)
[15:59] <Matt> emigrated to .ca a few years back
[15:59] <steve_rox> saves on keyboard rubber too
[15:59] <Matt> used to be up in Warrington tho
[15:59] <Hourd> steve_rox: yeah but that would mean leaving the dungeon
[15:59] <steve_rox> haha
[16:00] <Matt> technically Thelwall, the villiage from which the M6 viaduct takes its name
[16:00] <Hourd> ah Warrington, not been there in eyars
[16:00] <Hourd> *years
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[16:10] <sm4wwg> !w Fjugesta, Sweden
[16:10] <PiBot> sm4wwg: in Fjugesta, Sweden. Temp 1??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 65%, Later 3??C - -5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:14] <normod> Fjugesta, wheres that?
[16:15] <normod> kn??ckebr??hult?
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[16:15] <Da|Mummy> so nobody has a shipping notice for rpi?
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[16:17] <OneFix_Work> Da|Mummy: I highly doubt it, it looks like the first shipments are probably going to be going out at the end of March
[16:18] <OneFix_Work> Da|Mummy: Most places are giving estimates on the the shipment date, but these seem to be just Wild @$$ Guesses right now
[16:18] <Da|Mummy> k
[16:20] <steve_rox> i guess the guy selling fake pi's on ebay got off lightly , some reasion they all gave him positive feedback
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[16:23] <zgreg> hmm. ubuntu's unity has gotten surprisingly good - they fixed most of the performance issues and bugs
[16:23] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: How were they "fake"
[16:24] <zgreg> it's running OK on my gen2008 netbook now
[16:24] <Da|Mummy> like putting makeup on dogshit. thats what unity is
[16:25] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: fake pis?
[16:25] <piofcube> They were really blueberry muffins
[16:26] <zgreg> Da|Mummy: ok, come on...
[16:26] <Hourd> PiBot: lawl i now want to see a rpi knock off called 'blueberry muffin'
[16:26] <steve_rox> attempting to sell pi's when he dident have any
[16:26] <Hourd> piofcube: lawl i now want to see a rpi knock off called 'blueberry muffin'
[16:26] <IT_Sean> ooh
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[16:27] * IT_Sean wonders how many dumbarse buyers fell for that scam :/
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[16:27] <IT_Sean> aaaaaaaaaaaaand i just realised that i forgot to make myself lunch this morning. Bugger.
[16:27] <piofcube> Though I should watch what I'm saying... some innocent phrases can produce drastic results in Google search.
[16:28] <IT_Sean> hashahaha
[16:28] <ukscone> IT_Sean: steal a co-workers then
[16:28] <mkopack> Hey gang
[16:28] <mkopack> uk: Lol, people get fired here for doing stuff like that
[16:28] <Da|Mummy> eat the lunch's person
[16:29] <IT_Sean> No... The only other lunch in the fridge is something unrecognisable that smells of old feet. ...err... i mean... i would never!
[16:29] <ukscone> mkopack: and so they should
[16:29] <IT_Sean> ;p
[16:29] <mkopack> piofcube: LOL, yeah, we had a (female) co-worker who was trying to look up Dick's Sporting Goods??? so she naturally went to www.dicks.com???. Wasn't what she was hoping for! Had to explain to IT why she went to a pr0n site on her work computer...
[16:30] <IT_Sean> HAHAHA!
[16:30] <mkopack> That actually happens a lot around here??? Little innocent things like that taking you to sites you REALLY don't want to go to at work
[16:30] <piofcube> mkopack: Yeah... and things that refer to waffles and a certain colour *gags*
[16:31] <mkopack> mostly because the group she's in is doing research on social media and aggregating news from around the world and sometimes the system gives back weird links
[16:32] * IT_Sean remembers the time, in 6th grade, when his english lit teacher googled "chinese dragons" on the projector computer. ... ... ... soooooooo many willies. >.<
[16:32] <piofcube> lmao
[16:32] <mkopack> haha
[16:33] <Hourd> nice
[16:33] <Da|Mummy> godamnit, i know i shouldnt, but im going to google images now...
[16:33] <mkopack> Sweet! one of the papers I and some others submitted to AUVSI got accepted for both a poster session AND a presentation??? SO hoping the boss lets me go.. It's in Vegas this year! :)
[16:33] <piofcube> My mother once was looking for spotted dick recipes.. I just told her I would email her some
[16:33] <Anppa> once upon a time i tried to find a device that slices rubber bands for powering model airplanes and i googled for "rubber stripper"
[16:33] <Da|Mummy> i see nothing innapropriate
[16:34] <Anppa> nowadays google finds the machine :)
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[16:36] <jamesd256> I had just the best google image results fail during a company meeting
[16:36] <mkopack> Man, the amount of whining about the sales process on the RPi forums is just astounding??? The amount of complaining and coming across as though they're entitled to get something today is amazing to me
[16:37] <jamesd256> I was searching for something business related and among the results was a completely un-missable giant p*n*s
[16:37] <jamesd256> All the women went bright red and I just carried on as if nothing happened
[16:37] <piofcube> jamesd256: Soon as they were out of view they'd probs be writing the URL down ;-)
[16:37] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Umh, in all honesty, I think the foundation didn't properly indicate that EVERYTHING is a pre-order now.
[16:37] <jamesd256> lol
[16:38] <SeySayux> Hey, does anyone know what's up with this? On both of the reseller's web pages, I can only "register intrest" in purchasing a rasppi, which means putting in my name and e-mail and not hearing about them for a week. Isn't the rasppi available internationally yet (and do I have to wait), or am I missing here something?
[16:38] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: Where are you?
[16:38] <SeySayux> Belgium
[16:39] <mkopack> Well, true, but still??? It seems like there's 2 groups - those who have been following all along and staying "in the know" and then those who just heard about it and expected to come in and buy and didn't know anything??? And regardless there's people in both groups who just seem to think "I *deserve* it NOW NOW NOW" geesh..
[16:39] <IT_Sean> SeySayux: the first batch is spoken for. If you want to get on the preorder list for future production, you need to regisster interest.
[16:39] <piofcube> To be fair... there was only 10,000 R-Pis available... Even if all of those were instantly delivered... We would still not be getting any more for a while.
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[16:39] <mkopack> Like the guy who came in here yesterday asking how he could get one before the end of March??? But who hadn't registered interest or submitted an order or anything??? Sorry buddy, get to the back of the line and wait your turn...
[16:39] <SeySayux> Any ETA for the next batch?
[16:39] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: Try here http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide
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[16:41] <IT_Sean> clear
[16:41] <IT_Sean> whoops
[16:41] <drazyl> (charging to 300)
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[16:42] <IT_Sean> CLEAR! :::ZAP!!!::: *beep* *beep* *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
[16:42] <IT_Sean> Time of death, 10.24am
[16:43] <ukscone> IT_Sean: try hitting it harder
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[16:44] <ukscone> it's not dead until you have judiciously used a 20 pound sledgehammer
[16:44] <SeySayux> OneFix_Work: Belgium isn't in that list, and still, I can only "express interest", not actually pre-order or anything.
[16:44] <IT_Sean> ukscone: 's dead.
[16:44] <OneFix_Work> I would try countries closer to you...but you may not be able to buy right now.
[16:45] <Matt> bottom line, we've all waited this long, we can wait a few months more :)
[16:45] <SeySayux> Unlike the people that come in here demanding that they get a rasppi NOW NOW NOW, all I'd like to have is some clarity (e.g. when can I expect to be able to preorder? If I can preorder, how long will it take to get here? etc)
[16:45] <drazyl> SeySayux it's not clear at the moment unfortunately
[16:46] <piofcube> Maybe if someone has a 3D printer, they could make a life-sized model of the R-Pi so people can use that to help design their cases and stuff? ;-)
[16:46] <des2> Being that there's a 100,000 or so people ahead of you
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[16:46] <mkopack> Sey: I think we're going to get some of that this week. Liz and the RPF are supposed to be having discussions with both distribs this week to discuss some of the issues, get clarification on what the distribs have been doing and how they're handling things and make sure they are both following the contract rules.
[16:47] <Matt> piofcube: an accurate model would probable be sufficient
[16:47] * drazyl is doing his best to be a patient little bunny
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[16:47] <mkopack> pio: You know, that's a GREAT idea??? put out a 3D model of the RPi that case builders could use to design their cases around
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[16:47] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: Even those of us that have pre-ordered have been given some pretty outrageous dates for availability...mine is currently scheduled to ship over 2 months from now
[16:48] <mkopack> Yeah, and the shipping dates are getting changed like crazy...
[16:48] <Da|Mummy> two months...tee hee hee
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[16:48] <SeySayux> Because, you know, announcing several times "We're going to release it next week!" and then screaming at the top of your lungs "It's released! Buy it now!" and then "You can't buy it now, but you can preorder it." Alrighty, lets preorder it. "You can't preorder it, though, if you fill in your contact details we'll send you a mail in the next week." Week passes... /me opens mailbox... *crickets*... Well, then you're kind of getting
[16:48] <SeySayux> disappointed and slightly frustrated.
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[16:49] <mkopack> And then there's things like RS UK saying they're giving priority to UK customers, regardless of when you registered interest, etc. A lot of stuff is still in flux.. Just gotta register your interest with your local country distributor and wait in line like the rest of us
[16:49] <Anppa> well, if someone doesn't have other projects lined up and thus are suffering due to the lack of raspis, they need to un-get a life :D
[16:49] <haltdef> there was always going to be far more demand than supply, just be thankful the foundation handed manufacturing to RS and farnell and won't be building 10k at a time :P
[16:49] <drazyl> "I am unable to earn a living due to the lack of a $35 box that I knew I may or may not get"
[16:50] <ahven> hehe :D
[16:50] <OneFix_Work> It's obvious that they would rather under-promise and over-deliver, but at some point, I would guess that they will simply ship a whole bunch of rPis out
[16:50] <SeySayux> lol
[16:50] <piofcube> TBH, if I had a R-Pi right now it would just add to my 16 hour per day work-load.
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[16:50] <SeySayux> I guess it's quite stressful in here as well, with all the people going "where's my raspi! I want my raspi"
[16:50] <Anppa> even for the big players, it probably takes some time to churn out 100k+ units
[16:51] <OneFix_Work> The the problem is, how many people are ordering to "play" and how many or ordering to re-sell
[16:51] <ahven> I haven't bothered to even express interest yet, will wait until there is a regular flow of things
[16:51] <hamitron> ahven, same
[16:51] <hamitron> :)
[16:51] <drazyl> am I frustrated that I haven;t got one? Yes. Am I waiting same as everyone else, yes. Do I *need* a R-Pi? No, not really
[16:51] <SeySayux> drazyl: +1
[16:52] <drazyl> I want to play with some code in a low memory ARM machine. I *could* just fire up a 220MB virtual machine, but that's not the same
[16:52] <mkopack> Well, for now, I'm content to just mess around with the RPi debian image inside of QEMU??? But I wish I could figure out how to successfully make the SD image think it's 8GB instead of 3GB in size???
[16:52] <OneFix_Work> drazyl: Anyone willing to pay enough for a rPi could always buy a BeagleBoard
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[16:52] <des2> Or buy a $20 Pogoplug
[16:52] <drazyl> quite
[16:52] <piofcube> haltdef: I'm just glad it wan't left to Liz to box, lable and post each and every one of those 10K R-Pis...
[16:52] <piofcube> wasnt**
[16:53] <SeySayux> Ugh. I tried getting gcc 4.5.3 on a debian arm image once... Aaaaargh!
[16:53] <hbro> drazyl: another +1
[16:53] * SpeedEvil throws a stm32 at drazyl.
[16:53] <ahven> tbh, I would be happy to fiddle with my *duino boards, if I had time to deal even with them...
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> 32K, have fun!
[16:53] <drazyl> 32k? luxury!
[16:53] <haltdef> also, I can't seem to find this anywhere, does the pi have hardfloat?
[16:53] <Matt> hrm, these netwinders I have are arm I think
[16:54] <OneFix_Work> des2: Well, the PogoPlug doesn't have a lot of stuff that the rPi will
[16:54] <drazyl> oooh, the netwinder
[16:54] <SeySayux> Why can't there be an ARM distro that comes with gcc 4.5.3 by default?
[16:54] <drazyl> they were... fun
[16:54] <des2> Does it have hardfoat or will you be able to use hardfloat ?
[16:54] <Matt> drazyl: "fun" indeed
[16:54] <OneFix_Work> des2: For one, the PogoPlug has no video support in the kernel
[16:54] <drazyl> maybe I'll go back to playing with z80's and serial multiplexers
[16:55] <des2> Which is probably why I ssh into mine
[16:55] <ahven> bitbanging some leds to light up :P
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[16:59] <vectory> how does rpi compare to the beagle board? is beagle much more powerful or more useful in i dont know what situations?
[16:59] <drazyl> yes
[17:00] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: It takes time to port a compiler to a different platform, and most ARM binaries are compiled on Intel machines anyhow.
[17:00] <Da|Mummy> pandaboard is a lot more powerful
[17:00] <hamitron> SeySayux, armedslack 13.37 uses 4.5.2?
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[17:00] <chris_99> apparently fedora arm is compiled on arm
[17:00] <SeySayux> hamitron: Well, if it does, it still doesn't use 4.5.3, now does it?
[17:01] <mkopack> vectory: I believe beagleboard is more powerful CPU, but not GPU??? More ports??? But higher cost and power use. So all depends on what you're wanting to do
[17:01] <chris_99> out of company policy
[17:01] <OneFix_Work> Da|Mummy: Yea, it's also $200
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[17:01] <hamitron> SeySayux, no, but can be upgraded with 4.5.3 from current ;)
[17:01] <SeySayux> I have bad experience with cross-compiling. I'm not going to make a Mac OS X x86-64 cross-compiler to Linux ARM v6
[17:01] <zgreg> pandaboard is not only more powerful though, it also includes variopus peripherals
[17:01] <SeySayux> hamitron: That, and I don't like slackware.
[17:01] <hamitron> :-o
[17:02] <zgreg> useful stuff, like wifi and bluetooth
[17:02] <des2> The CPU on the Pi is reputed to be about 20% slower than the beagleboard.
[17:02] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: We will probably see more in that realm as Mac and Windows shift to ARM
[17:02] <des2> The CPU is outshined by the video processor
[17:03] <zgreg> that's not true for the current version of the beagleboard, des2
[17:03] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: Once 64-bit ARM CPUs come out (probably next year), the Intel platform will no longer have that advantage over ARM
[17:03] <des2> What's the updated values zgreg ?
[17:03] <alk__> wifi usb device is very cheap :)
[17:03] <OneFix_Work> des2: Which is why the GPU has several decoders built for it
[17:03] <zgreg> the first version o the beagleboard (for which the 20% number is valid) was only clocked at 500 MHz. the current version runs at 720 MHz
[17:03] <SeySayux> OneFix_Work: FYI, "Mac OS X" already runs on ARM.
[17:03] <Mookman288> http://www.amazon.com/Dexim-DCA263-Battery-Micro-USB-Smartphones/dp/B007154MZG/ref=sr_1_22?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1330963323&sr=1-22 <-- a little expensive, but looks neat.
[17:04] <zgreg> des2: the issue with gpu vs cpu is that a gpu cannot "make up" for a slow cpu, in general
[17:04] <OneFix_Work> SeySayux: Well, not exactly...Darwin does, but not OS X...however, the rumor is that the plan is to merge the iOS and OS X trees
[17:05] * hamitron wonders why anyone would want a 64 bit cpu on the r-pi anyway
[17:05] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: x86 still has the platform advantage (everything is standard, single kernel for all)
[17:05] <vectory> Mookman288: with 2000mAh, how long will that battery last, 3 hours?
[17:06] <Mookman288> That doesn't seem bad to me, at $30
[17:06] <hamitron> zgreg, that is the biggest factor for me personally, yeh :)
[17:06] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: That's only because of the SOC concept...
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[17:06] <Mookman288> The shipping is at no charge on this order, Thank you, Tedi Account Coordinator NEWARK
[17:06] <Mookman288> WOO
[17:06] <Mookman288> im partyin' over here
[17:07] <Mookman288> That means my $15 allotment for shipping just went into my accessories fund.
[17:07] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: not exactly. there are no established platform standards on arm. SoC or not, does not matter.
[17:07] <OneFix_Work> hamitron: There are many reasons...more RAM, faster performance, etc
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[17:08] <hamitron> isn't x64 less efficient than 32?
[17:08] <zgreg> no, it's more efficient
[17:08] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: But, that does not seem to be a significant hurdle ... Microsoft and Apple both are planning on moving the desktop to ARM
[17:09] <philh> OneFix_Work, isn't 256MB quite easy to address in 32bit?
[17:09] <Mookman288> Does anyone have a link to the cheapest 5v 1a microusb?
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[17:09] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: they want to move certain devices to arm, but desktop, no
[17:09] <philh> he did mention ""on the r-pi"
[17:09] <des2> Last I checked Microsoft doesn't make any significant hardware.
[17:09] <OneFix_Work> philh: Yes, but if you wanted more RAM in a future rPi model, you would need 64-bit
[17:09] <slaeshjag> Mookman288: I wouldn't use a cheap power adapter
[17:09] <zgreg> hamitron: but this depends a bit on what you define as "efficient"
[17:10] <hamitron> I was thinking in terms of memory use
[17:10] <slaeshjag> Mookman288: I have had way too many chinese power adapters catching fire
[17:10] <OneFix_Work> des2: No, but they define what it runs on...look at all of the "DirectX" compatible hardware
[17:10] <Mookman288> slaeshjag: I didn't mean "cheap" as in quality. They're all around $6 with prime, just wondering if there's a common one people tend to steer toward.
[17:10] <philh> OneFix_Work, you mean 512MB or 1GB, or even 2GB? those all count as more...
[17:10] <mkopack> OneFix: Why would you need 64 bit to go higher on the Rpi? 32 bit will access up to 4GB of RAM...
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[17:11] <slaeshjag> Mookman288: Spend the money to get one you can trust. Ebay, dealextreme is a fat no-no if it plugs into the wall
[17:11] <des2> Mookman get one with a real brand name not some chinese knockoff.
[17:11] <mkopack> Don't "need" 64 bit until you need more ram than that??? and we're nowhere near there on the RPi
[17:11] <hamitron> if they start to increase the specs of the r-pi quickly, I will lose interest :/
[17:11] <zgreg> hamitron: well, yes, 64 bit pointers are bigger.
[17:11] <vectory> some external ram wouldnt hurt the rpi. are people working on mods already? all the people who cant wait could build their own rpi, as well, right?
[17:11] <OneFix_Work> philh: Probably not those increments, but encoders, decoders, and encryption all benefit from 64-bit architectures
[17:11] <Mookman288> des2, slaeshjag, I plan to, was looking for input on model numbers, etc.
[17:11] <IT_Sean> vectory: building your own rpi would be veeery difficult
[17:11] <zgreg> hamitron: in general, you can expect software compiled for 64 bit to use 10-20% more ram
[17:12] <mkopack> yeah, I agree???. as an "education" device, allowing the RPI to get bloated memory space would defeat a lot of the purpose - by keeping it small and tight it forces kids to learn to be efficient with their code.
[17:12] <hamitron> zgreg, so better for the r-pi to be 32 bit, if you are looking at a small amount of resources
[17:12] <Mookman288> And if I want to split the USB's into four, I may need something with more than just 5v .7A
[17:12] <slaeshjag> Mookman288: Power adapters is the rare exception where I suggest to go to some of the big retail stores
[17:12] <mkopack> For the hobby market though, more ram is usually a good thing
[17:12] <vectory> IT_Sean: i read the schematics for older revision were aviable
[17:12] <zgreg> hamitron: uh, sure, such a small device does not need 64 bits
[17:12] <Mookman288> slaeshjag: Amazon is a pretty nice store =p.
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[17:13] <vectory> IT_Sean: figured there would be newer ones by now
[17:13] <mkopack> vect: Yeah, the old version that was done on a breadboard using a Microcontroller??? but it's NOWHERE NEAR what the current Rpi is...
[17:13] <zgreg> on x86 it's a bit special, since the 64-bit architecture fixes a lot of the problems of the old 32 bit architecture
[17:13] <hamitron> really, there is so much more in terms of hardware addons that can be done for the r-pi, before looking at spec upgrades.... if someone wants more resources or power, get another type of device ;)
[17:13] <IT_Sean> the current raspi is NOT something you could homebrew
[17:14] <slaeshjag> Mookman288: I haven't used Amazon, so I can't comment on that
[17:14] <Mookman288> slaeshjag: Yeah, it's an up and commer for sure.
[17:14] <des2> If there's a raspberry PI knockoff it won't likely be using the broadcom processor.
[17:16] <mkopack> Ok, California must have woken up??? Forums are in never-ending DB connection issue status again.. .sigh
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[17:19] <philh> there are so many cheap chinese non-x86 mini-netbooks and tablets floating around ebay that if the producers see raspi as something worth attempting to compete with there could be a good deal of interesting knockoffs
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[17:20] <des2> I anxiously wait to see what they come up with
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[17:21] <Mookman288> vectory: Found one for $25 that is 5000mAH
[17:21] <h0llywood1> Mookman288 :: link please :P
[17:22] <vectory> :)
[17:22] <Mookman288> http://www.amazon.com/EZOPower-External-Portable-Rechargeable-Emergency/dp/B003QTOI2I/ref=sr_1_14?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1330964421&sr=1-14
[17:23] <Mookman288> Some reviews claim it only charges at .5A =|
[17:23] <des2> THat's a battery
[17:23] <Mookman288> Yes, I was talking about batteries earlier.
[17:23] <Mookman288> Before the power cable discussion.
[17:24] <h0llywood1> Mookman288 :: not bad
[17:24] <hamitron> why is 500mA charging bad?
[17:24] <h0llywood1> hamitron :: rpi requires .7A
[17:24] <hamitron> but doesn't it provide 5.0A?
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[17:25] <h0llywood1> hamitron :: 5V, 0.7A for the rpi
[17:25] <Mookman288> But the USB cable is said to be limited to .5A
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[17:25] <zgreg> 5A? haha
[17:25] <mkopack> Ordering myself one of these "slice of pi" boards???. Came to $8.15 shipped to the USA. http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[17:25] <zgreg> that'd literally melt the cable
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[17:26] <Da|Mummy> ok so whos selling rpi cases?
[17:26] <hamitron> just pointing out it is common to have a battery take in a lower charging current, than it can provide
[17:26] <hamitron> :)
[17:26] * zgreg facepalms again at the "my old 366 MHz PC can play MPEG-2, why should be raspi not be able to do it?" posts on the forums
[17:27] <zgreg> s/be/the/1
[17:27] <hamitron> I misread the webby
[17:27] <haltdef> I wouldn't be surprised if SD mpeg2 is fine tbh
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[17:27] <hamitron> 1.0A
[17:27] <hamitron> ;/
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[17:28] <zgreg> haltdef: I don't expect it to be fine at all
[17:28] <haltdef> not a difficult codec, and I've had slower ARM chips doing xvid which I believe is far more intensive
[17:28] <zgreg> I know ARM11, and it's not up to it at this clock speed
[17:28] <haltdef> deinterlacing though, I dunno :P
[17:28] <zgreg> xvid is not any more intensive
[17:28] * hamitron finds all this talk of video decoding stressing
[17:29] <zgreg> the issue is that MPEG-2 at SD resolutions usually uses D1 resolution, 720x576 px
[17:29] <zgreg> this is quite a bit more than what xvid rips and the like use, they're mostly 640x480 or lower
[17:29] <hamitron> anyone would think most want to watch blue movies, rather than code :/
[17:29] <Da|Mummy> where do you find mpeg2 these days?
[17:29] <haltdef> all SD tv broadcasts, all DVDs
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[17:29] <zgreg> plus, MPEG-2 usually uses far higher bitrates, and VLD is NOT cheap to do
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[17:30] <zgreg> so, the fact that some xvid videos run fine is no indication at all that broadcast MPEG-2 works
[17:30] <Mookman288> hamitron: Yeah, 5.35v/1A, capacity was 5000mAH.
[17:31] <haltdef> I'm hoping to tuen my pi into a server doing web (very, very low load), znc and bitlbee
[17:31] <hamitron> Mookman288, but plenty init?
[17:31] <haltdef> usb hd
[17:31] <Da|Mummy> 64gb sdxc 30mb/sec read speed for $60 on amazon
[17:31] <Da|Mummy> sandisk
[17:31] <haltdef> what about randoms?
[17:31] <Mookman288> haltdef: I do web on a 96mb VPS, so I imagine the pi can do some pretty decent hosting.
[17:32] <haltdef> far more powerful cpu and much faster storage though
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[17:32] <zgreg> now we only need to know if the raspberry pi can support SD 3.0 standards
[17:32] <philh> Da|Mummy, there's nothing weird about sdxc that mandates use of xfat or anything?
[17:32] <hamitron> I've been benchmarking Apache on a P120 with 24MB memory, seems ok.... ;)
[17:32] <Mookman288> hamitron: I think that 5000mAH at 1A = 3-4 hours roughly
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[17:33] <zgreg> Da|Mummy: FAT is only specified for capacities up to 32 GB
[17:33] <Mookman288> hamitron: If you can then plug the unit into the wall at the same time, it becomes a laptop minus the screen.
[17:33] <zgreg> Da|Mummy: that's the official size limit for FAT
[17:33] <slaeshjag> zgreg: no it isn't
[17:33] <Da|Mummy> the only weird thing with sdxc is that windows doesnt think it can be more than32gb in fat
[17:33] <zgreg> slaeshjag: it's the _official_ limit
[17:33] <zgreg> slaeshjag: sure you can go higher, but this is not supported by the standard
[17:34] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Windows versions prior to XP happily formatted bigger volumes
[17:34] <hamitron> Mookman288, it is only the ARM cpu I am interested in, yet it is the effort of using ARM that puts me off also :)
[17:34] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Microsoft prevents you because FAT32 gets slower the more free space you have
[17:34] <zgreg> slaeshjag: that doesn't change the fact
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[17:34] <Da|Mummy> why would you want fat32 anyway?
[17:35] <hamitron> fat32 works
[17:35] <hamitron> ;)
[17:35] <Da|Mummy> apparently not
[17:35] <mkopack> Da: Easy to pop the card into other machines to load/copy data..
[17:35] <zgreg> yeah, FAT is ridiculously bad
[17:35] <Da|Mummy> which what this conversation is about
[17:35] <zgreg> so the "artificial" 32 GB limit is actually a good thing
[17:36] <slaeshjag> zgreg: FAT32 does support volumes up to 16 TB by spec, depending on sector size
[17:36] <zgreg> I cringe when I see people that use TB harddisks with FAT
[17:36] <zgreg> slaeshjag: I know that, but that's not the point
[17:36] <hamitron> NTFS is a pain on older machines though
[17:36] * Da|Mummy has a 1TB partition with fat32 :{
[17:36] <slaeshjag> but yes, the enforced 32 GB limit is probably a good thing
[17:37] <Da|Mummy> its for the ps3 though, as thats all it will read
[17:37] <zgreg> SDHC also supports up to 2TB (more with bigger sectors) on the block level
[17:37] <zgreg> yet they chose to introduce a new standard, SDXC, for higher capacities
[17:37] <slaeshjag> even though there's yet to be another widly documented and supported FS for use on rewriteable media
[17:38] <slaeshjag> zgreg: That was microsofts workings :)
[17:38] <zgreg> I guess they did that due to the new filesystem mandated for higher capacities
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[17:39] <zgreg> it's less confusing if you can be sure something works on all devices that support the standard
[17:40] <hamitron> so it is best to fill ya hdd with junk if it is FAT32?
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[17:41] <hamitron> mine tend to be anyway :) but at least would give me an excuse
[17:41] <zgreg> FAT32 has various issues at big partition sizes
[17:41] <philh> hamitron, it could well do that automatically for you if you have a few power failures :p
[17:42] <hamitron> :/
[17:42] <philh> i really don't miss fat
[17:42] <zgreg> a) the FAT gets *huge*, this slows down things, and it'll use a lot of space
[17:42] <hamitron> I'd love to drop it, in favour of ext3
[17:42] <slaeshjag> Although I must say I prefer FAT over NTFS :)
[17:42] <hamitron> but devices seem to only support FAT
[17:42] <hamitron> :/
[17:42] <zgreg> b) and/or bigger sectors lead to space losses
[17:42] <philh> ntfs is far more stable
[17:42] <Da|Mummy> ext
[17:42] <slaeshjag> philh: On windows, yes
[17:42] <zgreg> c) max file size of 4 GB
[17:43] <philh> on linux too, it just happens to be very slow with the fuse driver
[17:43] <drazyl> FAT is bad if you need to scan large directories as their is no index
[17:43] <zgreg> ext3 works well on windows
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[17:43] <slaeshjag> zgreg: The ext driver I know doesn't seem to work > WinXP
[17:43] * hamitron has old linux machines, so ntfs is not really a good option
[17:43] <philh> i'd be inclined to use ntfs on sd cards for my sumvision media player, but copying to them under linux is painful
[17:44] <zgreg> philh: huh, why?
[17:44] <philh> zgreg, far far slower than writing to the same card with fat32, no idea exactly why, but i presume the userland fs driver may be an issue
[17:45] <zgreg> ntfs-3g? maybe the driver does synchronous writes?
[17:45] <mkopack> Phil: Probably the overhead of having to maintain the journal
[17:45] <slaeshjag> In my experience, fuse doesn't add *that* much overhead
[17:45] <slaeshjag> Although I'm crazy enough to use userland drivers for both / and /home :)
[17:46] <Dagger2> http://i.imgur.com/y97OH.png <-- I got these results on Windows. it's not that much slower for bulk writes, but for random writes... and yeah, my guess was the journal too
[17:46] <philh> i must admit, i haven't had much trouble with ntfs on real hard disks using the fuse driver
[17:46] <zgreg> ntfs-3g has been nothing but great for me
[17:47] <zgreg> I never really had any issue with it
[17:47] <Dagger2> ntfs-3g has significant issues with large sparse files :(
[17:48] <slaeshjag> Last time I used NTFS was back in 2006, so that situation might've changed :)
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[17:48] <zgreg> Dagger2: that's a rarely used feature though
[17:48] <Dagger2> the CPU time required to write to them is something like O(n^2) in used space in the file... bit of a pain if you're trying to ntfsclone another disk and don't have the space for a non-sparse image
[17:49] <Dagger2> zgreg: yes... but one I hit recently
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[18:05] <mkopack> Interesting??? Wonder how well this would work with an RPi: http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[18:06] <mkopack> Sorry, wrong link.. http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[18:06] <mkopack> Dammit
[18:06] <mkopack> Lovely, WTF, why can't I copy/paste now??? grrr
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[18:06] <curahack> cool
[18:06] <beardface> i just 3d printed a case for my raspberry pi :)
[18:06] <beardface> now it just needs to get here...
[18:06] <alk__> :D
[18:07] <alk__> beardface: photo pls
[18:07] <mkopack> www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817652003
[18:07] <beardface> http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/71/5f/97/0a/f9/2465dea_display_medium.jpg
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[18:07] <mkopack> Thinking it would provide power for both the Rpi + a USB hub...
[18:08] <des2> That's nicebeardface
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[18:08] <mkopack> beard: nice! They have the plans for it up there too?
[18:08] <CasperN> beardface: did you see the case on blendernation?
[18:08] <CasperN> http://www.blendernation.com/2012/03/02/raspberry-pi/
[18:08] <a5m0> my newark ship date just got pushed back again :(
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[18:09] <alk__> wowee
[18:09] <alk__> that's nice :)
[18:09] <mkopack> Ohhh, I LIKE that one!
[18:09] <beardface> oh wow, I'm going to rpint that :)
[18:09] <des2> What date now a5m0 ?
[18:09] <alk__> :D
[18:09] <a5m0> may 11
[18:10] <beardface> whee are the model files??
[18:10] <CasperN> hmm, not sure if he released them
[18:10] <CasperN> http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/me-and-the-raspberrypi/
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> door
[18:11] <CasperN> STEP file
[18:11] <CasperN> or is it for the RPI only?
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[18:12] <beardface> CasperN: that is only for the RPI
[18:12] <beardface> damn
[18:12] <beardface> i'd love to print that
[18:12] <mkopack> a5mo: What was it before? (date?)
[18:13] <mdavey> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand?newsfeed=true
[18:13] <piofcube> There's companies coming forward to say they've developed a RTC for the R-Pi... I'm guessing these are standard RTCs perhaps with scratch and sniff raspberry patches on them LOL
[18:13] <mdavey> demand for raspberry pi still running at 700 per second
[18:13] <mkopack> DAYUM! 700 per SECOND!
[18:13] <mdavey> That's got to be hits on their website, right?
[18:13] <mkopack> Tha'ts just from ONE of the distribs!
[18:13] <beardface> Here is my 3D printer farm: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/2012-03-02%2014.00.20.jpg
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[18:14] <beardface> once there is a good case model, I'd be happy to print cases for anyone
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[18:14] <mkopack> I really like the looks of that one that MarcoA designed, but it looks like he's waiting to get an actual RPi before finalizing it.
[18:14] <des2> Did you print most of theprinter farm ?
[18:15] <beardface> yeah, printed the orange ones
[18:15] <mkopack> And I suspect that's going to be the case with a lot of them...
[18:15] <beardface> green one got the parts from buddy
[18:15] <piofcube> beardface: Any chance you printing and selling models of the R-Pi PCB so people can get to work designing cases etc while we wait or even while their R-Pi is being used for other things? :-)
[18:15] <beardface> piofcube: not a bad idea actually
[18:15] <beardface> do you want a model?
[18:16] <des2> Is there an accurately dimensioned PRi drawing ?
[18:16] <CasperN> beardface: im sure internet will be full of RPi 3D cases models as soon as we get our Rpis
[18:16] <piofcube> Depends on what time I have and if I go over my PC budget this month LOL
[18:16] <beardface> lol
[18:16] <beardface> well im not going to make the pcbs unless people want them
[18:16] <beardface> i'll do one for myself
[18:16] <beardface> to fit into my case
[18:16] <piofcube> beardface: I'm sure many others will want one.
[18:17] <piofcube> If you work out a price and P&P, please let me know though
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[18:17] <beardface> it'll probably be 5 dollars for the model + shipping
[18:17] <oldtopman> woo
[18:17] <beardface> need to see how much plastic i burn through
[18:17] <oldtopman> Ship date is May 11th!
[18:18] <piofcube> Yeah... much cheaper than at the online sites... I don't think I'd have a problem with costs like that
[18:19] <beardface> i'll print one tonight and see how good i can get it looking
[18:19] <beardface> if i'm happy with it, i'll post a link to buy it
[18:19] <piofcube> beardface I guess you could do more tahn one at a time considering the size of your printer base... maybe if there's demand it might speed it up for you to do that
[18:19] <beardface> it'll probably take 20 min to print one
[18:19] <beardface> i can print 12 at a time if i really get motivated
[18:20] <mkopack> Beard: For the board model, I'd say you don't need to get too crazy about filling in spaces??? It just needs to be a dimensional match...
[18:20] <des2> 12!
[18:20] <mkopack> that should keep the plastic cost down some
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[18:20] <beardface> yeah
[18:20] <piofcube> just correct sized blocks
[18:20] <beardface> yeah
[18:20] <mkopack> exactly
[18:20] <beardface> i'll do that
[18:20] <beardface> and it'll have holes and everything dimensionally correct so you can dry fit
[18:21] <beardface> wish i wasn't 'at work' :) I'd print one now
[18:21] <piofcube> LOL.. don't publicise it too much... You might get swamped with orders... 700 per second ;-)
[18:21] <beardface> lol
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[18:21] <beardface> well, i would just push ship dates out till May 11th ;)
[18:22] <des2> Where's your 'express interest' website ?
[18:22] <piofcube> lmao
[18:22] <drazyl> you print em, I'll paint em and we can clean up on ebay :)
[18:22] <beardface> :), one sec, i'll put out a mailing list
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[18:22] <Hourd> lawl
[18:23] <piofcube> I can see it now... "I plugged in the power supply and my R-Pi doesn't work!"
[18:23] <Hourd> haha
[18:23] <Hourd> i would say do it, but people woudnt get it and complain and stuff
[18:24] <piofcube> Well... at the very least there's many how do know in here who will gladly buy the model
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[18:25] <Hourd> true
[18:27] <beardface> Ok, if you are interested in a raspberry pi Model B MODEL (As in, 3d printed plastic model of raspberry pi, to scale), sign up here: http://www.eventcow.org/pplus_event/registration/JustinHawkins/13
[18:27] <beardface> I'll contact you when I have them available and you can order if you'd like
[18:27] <drazyl> goddamn pre-pre-orders!
[18:28] <piofcube> Colour! So people might get a red one after-all ;-)
[18:29] <drazyl> can you include mpeg2 with mine?
[18:29] <des2> The Red ones go faster.
[18:29] <SpeedEvil> beardface: Can you paint them appropriately, and drop-ship them to users from my ebay auctions?
[18:29] <BCMM> beardface: the title makes it sound like a case, rather than something that's useful to people making cases
[18:30] <beardface> refresh the page
[18:30] <piofcube> There's no country field on the form and birthday is a required field.
[18:30] <beardface> i screwed up the form
[18:30] <mkopack> In fact, I wouldn't even make the "board" filled. I'd just make the perimeter and use that to support the connectors
[18:30] <des2> beardface can you work 120 hour weeks like the chinese ?
[18:30] <beardface> also, colors avail are white & orange
[18:30] <beardface> lol
[18:31] <beardface> sorry the form was created on my event registration website, which is usually used for 5k races
[18:31] <beardface> :) very hackish
[18:31] <beardface> didn't want to take the time for a proper mailing list
[18:31] <mkopack> (Sorry, co-worker came in to chat)??? Beard, that previous comment was directed at you...
[18:32] <piofcube> no need for a mailing list... you could even just create a gmail account and get people to email you there?
[18:32] <mkopack> that would drastically cut down on the printing time and plastic use
[18:33] <piofcube> mkopack: Yeah... maybe just have a few lines crossing over in the middle to add strength?
[18:33] <mkopack> Yeah???
[18:33] <beardface> ok
[18:33] <beardface> use that instead
[18:34] <beardface> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dFN6WVVJZ3M1Z3hSblE0OERIQlp2akE6MQ
[18:34] <mkopack> Just seems like printing the full "board" plate would be highly wasteful when this is more about fitting the board dimensions+connectors
[18:34] <piofcube> done :-)
[18:34] <beardface> eh, it doesn't take much more work to print the full board
[18:35] <beardface> SpeedEvil, I might paint them
[18:35] <beardface> we'll see how many i need to make
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[18:35] <beardface> my guess is 3
[18:35] <piofcube> beardface: if it doesn't then that would be better but you'd be in the best position to decide either way :-)
[18:35] <beardface> :)
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[18:35] <des2> How much for a racing stripe ?
[18:35] <beardface> sorry, only lightning bolts and boobs
[18:36] <beardface> also, they are stick boobs. I'm no artist
[18:36] <mkopack> yeah, I just figured it would cut down on costs and print time
[18:36] <piofcube> I want mine autographed with a serial number... make sure it's #1 ;-)
[18:36] <beardface> mkopack, i dont know how many i'll actually need to make
[18:36] <beardface> i can't imagine tons
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[18:37] <mkopack> http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/71/5f/97/0a/f9/2465dea_display_medium.jpg So is there a link to this guy's plan or anything?
[18:37] <beardface> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104
[18:37] <mkopack> Or is that this one? http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/me-and-the-raspberrypi-2/
[18:37] <beardface> this is the other one i printed this morning: http://www.thingiverse.com/image:106263
[18:37] <beardface> i like it better i think
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[18:38] <piofcube> nice blender work.. I almost thought they were real
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[18:38] <beardface> yeah, the guy is a blender pro
[18:38] <beardface> I think when I create the ebay listing for the pcbs, i'll set it up so you can order: PCB, PCB + Case, or Just Case
[18:39] <mkopack> least # parts is nice. I DO like the little screw holes for mounting it onto a wall or something???
[18:39] <beardface> yeah
[18:39] <mkopack> Esp since I plan to mount 1 on my robot and 1 on a wall for home surveillance system
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[18:41] <piofcube> There will be people with R-Pi farms... a full wall with them mounted in neat rows and columns
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[18:41] <beardface> ok, as suspected, i only need to print 1 PCB model. :) No real interest
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[18:42] <piofcube> I might need a few over time...
[18:43] <mkopack> pio: Yeha, I think at some point there will be a demand for a modular case design that allows you to "stack" Rpi's...
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[18:44] <piofcube> mkopack: Could do a design which lets you stack 8 Rpis and have a hub on the bottom in another case... Get some built-in cable management and there's your bramble ;-)
[18:44] <mkopack> Yup
[18:45] <mkopack> Make up our own "1U / 3U" spec :)
[18:45] <piofcube> even better if there could be a cetral box for power supply to each R-Pi also
[18:45] <piofcube> central**
[18:45] <piofcube> 1Pi / 3Pi spec... yup :-)
[18:46] <mkopack> Oooh, there's an idea - a rack mount RPi 1U case.. something that would be the power backplane + networking + such to hold multiple RPi's inside a 1U rack enclosure.
[18:46] <beardface> i'm going to be taking apart a usb powered hub, and putting it internal to the case
[18:46] <mkopack> (or 3U if that works better)
[18:46] <mkopack> The damn SD boot requirement would be the biggest problem there...
[18:46] <beardface> so my RPI will have 4 USB ports
[18:46] <mkopack> Integrating a hub?
[18:46] <beardface> yeah
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[18:46] <mkopack> powered I assume?
[18:47] <beardface> yes
[18:47] <mkopack> cool
[18:48] <piofcube> beardface: Would you be happy to appear in our first podcast? I have to finish our studio area but it would be good when you've got some stuff done to show it off.
[18:48] <mkopack> pio: I REALLY like that idea??? I wonder how much of a demand there might be for something like that (rack mountable multiple Pi's in a 1U/3U chassis
[18:49] <beardface> piofcube: maybe, how much work on my part does that take?
[18:50] <piofcube> beardface: just a skype or another video conferencing call... can be as long or short as you want and if you want to be a regular, that would be fine also
[18:51] <beardface> perhaps, i don't feel as though i have any expert advice
[18:51] <mkopack> Man, I'm thinking it might be possible to put like 30 or 40 Rpi's into a single 1U chassis...
[18:51] <piofcube> just talking about your printer, how you make the r-pi stuff and show a few examples
[18:51] <beardface> cool, yeah we can work something out probably
[18:51] <mkopack> Beard: Yeah, and talk about any tricky issues you've run into with the Rpi designing cases, etc.
[18:52] <mkopack> If you're going to sell them, where people can get them, etc. If you're willing to do custom work for a price, etc.
[18:52] <piofcube> Also, before there's demand you can show and explain you are not selling the actual R-Pi ;-)
[18:53] <beardface> lol
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[18:54] <piofcube> If you are willing, our charity might want to work with you a bit on designing and making protoypes for us for our R-Pi projects.
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[18:55] <piofcube> The idea of not using one of the big HP 3D printers is great for what we want to do.
[18:56] <beardface> sure, i'd be willing
[18:56] <beardface> what is the charity
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[18:57] <piofcube> https://www.openindieproject.org
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[18:58] <piofcube> We have quite a few projects coming up but we will be publishing content (educational/entertainment/etc) under open source licenses
[18:58] <jamesd256> has anyone done any dhrystone/whetstone benchmarks on the rpi?
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[18:59] <Kostic> Why would somenoe do bechmarks for Raspi?
[18:59] <Kostic> *someone
[18:59] <jamesd256> Kostic: same reason you would benchmark any system
[18:59] <jamesd256> to measure it's computing performance / power
[18:59] <jamesd256> is there another layer to your question?
[19:00] <Kostic> jamesd256: Raspi is an educational tool. I know that it can't run games nor do I want from it to do that.
[19:00] <mkopack> james: I don't believe anyone with the alpha boards has??? But they have stated that it's basically the equivalent of a Pentium 300Mhz
[19:00] <jamesd256> mkopack: thanks
[19:00] <mkopack> (that's Pentium 1 BTW)
[19:00] <piofcube> There's plenty of sites that say they have benchmarks and say things like 20% slower than beagleboard but many of these have not shown the actual results... I wonder why... maybe because they didn't have an R-Pi at that time and took figures from their ar... hats ;-)
[19:01] <EricBetts> Kostic: It would be useful as a relative guide for future revisions, as well as for determining what sort of applications the R-pi could run.
[19:01] <jamesd256> Kostic: I thought it was a computer. What do games have to do with my question exactly?
[19:01] <mkopack> pio: They're probably guestimating based on architecture revision differences, and clock speed differences??? Doesn't the beagle use a different revision Arm chip?
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[19:01] <zgreg> jamesd256: there are some benchmarks on the elinux wiki
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[19:01] <piofcube> mkopack: yeah
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[19:02] <mkopack> So they're probably going based off what experience there's been with similar ARM chips of the 2 ARM revisions, and the clock speed diffs
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[19:02] <jamesd256> zgreg: thanks, I'll look into that
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[19:02] <EricBetts> Kostic: for example, celestia is a fantastic piece of non-gaming educational software that might not be able to run on the r-pi and benchmarks would be helpful in determinng that
[19:03] <Kostic> +1, celestia
[19:03] <jamesd256> lol, so benchmarks are ok now?
[19:03] <zgreg> ARM11 performs like an atom at half the clock speed, at best
[19:03] <Kostic> No, If I wanted to test celestia I would just start it on a Raspi.
[19:03] <zgreg> so the raspi should perform like an intel atom at about 350 MHz
[19:04] <jamesd256> ok, benchmarks are not ok again :(
[19:04] <mkopack> single core atom
[19:04] <jamesd256> zgreg: got you
[19:04] <jamesd256> love all these articles where they derive the performance from the clock speed!
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[19:04] <jamesd256> "It's 200x the power of a spectrum"
[19:04] <mkopack> james: I think people are just trying to say, at this point it's a crap shoot. Best bet is to just wait to get actual hardware and TRY the software you want to see if it'll handle it
[19:05] <EricBetts> Kostic: good for you, but for those of us who are creating lists of software to use, and haven't gotten a raspberry pi yet, its useful to have a matric for discarding applications that would underperform
[19:05] <jamesd256> benchmarking is never a crapshoot
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[19:05] <Kostic> As I said, you havet the specifications.
[19:05] <jamesd256> that's why synthetic benchmarks were invented
[19:05] <mkopack> Benchmarks are usually very synthetic and while they give you a general idea of performance, they NEVER give a true apples-to-oranges comparison
[19:05] <jamesd256> Kostic: specifications mean squat
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[19:06] <mkopack> Otherwise we wouldn't have had the AMD vs Intel performance rating wars of the 90's and 2000's
[19:06] <Kostic> I give up. Life is to short to argue about the importance of benchmarks...
[19:06] <zgreg> Kostic: yes
[19:06] <mkopack> Because it all depends on the benchmark used, the way it's compiled, and the instruction mix of the benchmark in question and how well that matches up with what you're ACTUALLY trying to run
[19:06] <EricBetts> Kostic: which makes one wonder why you started it?
[19:06] <zgreg> but that does not mean benchmarks are useless
[19:06] <jamesd256> well I got the sensible answer I wanted
[19:07] <jamesd256> and some other mis-informed junk too, which is nice
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[19:07] <piless> hi
[19:07] <superGunter001> somebody tryed out the arch linux stuff already?
[19:07] <zgreg> what needs to be made clear is that the raspi does NOT in any way perform similar to an x86 cpu at the same clock speed
[19:07] <mkopack> exactly
[19:07] <Kostic> Then just
[19:07] <mkopack> BBIAB, gonna go fetch form lunch
[19:08] <Kostic> *Then just benchmark it.
[19:08] <EricBetts> zgreg: I've had a lot of fun on reddit pointing that out :)
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[19:08] <zgreg> EricBetts: yeah, same here
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[19:09] <piless> When people have the raspberries and there are quite a few different distros available do you think someone will be able to benchmark them to give us a general idea of which gives the best performance?
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[19:10] <a5m0> piless, the processor will always run the same, i assume you're talking about memory usage?
[19:11] <EricBetts> a5m0: I thought he was wondering about platform optimization
[19:11] <piless> a5m0: well no, from what I gather the current distros available don't properly take advantage of the gpu
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[19:11] <piless> EricBetts: Yeah
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[19:13] <zgreg> piless: properly? they take no advantage at all...
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[19:13] <zgreg> there is dumb framebuffer support and that's it
[19:14] <zgreg> the cpu has to do all the rendering
[19:14] <EricBetts> zgreg: is this a physical limitation or software limitation?
[19:15] <zgreg> that's a software limitation
[19:15] <piless> EricBetts: Software
[19:15] <EricBetts> zgreg: and haven't I heard that there is a closed source driver with more features?
[19:15] <zgreg> just look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWwUEPh9EI
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[19:16] <zgreg> EricBetts: that's for opengl-es/openvg, a different matter
[19:16] <piless> the binary blobs?
[19:17] <zgreg> in X, performance is going to be unusable as long as there is no accelerated DDX.
[19:17] <EricBetts> zgreg: right, but couldn't piless question have been aimed at determining if there are distros in the works that would specifically be trying to integrate that support?
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[19:18] <zgreg> EricBetts: that's not a distro issue
[19:19] <beardface> Here you go people: http://rpicases.blogspot.com/
[19:19] <piless_> I want a case shaped like a giant raspberry
[19:20] <beardface> if you design it, i'll print it
[19:20] <EricBetts> zgreg: can you explain in more detail? I would imagine that the use of close source driver or a binary blob are the pervue of the various distros
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[19:21] <zgreg> there's not much integration to do - just copy the libraries to the right location
[19:21] <zgreg> it's trivial
[19:22] <zgreg> and do develop an X driver is not a distro matter, really
[19:22] <piofcube> beardface: Is the postage correct? Just it seems a little low for US to UK... I'm not complaining but don't want you to rob yourself.
[19:22] <beardface> oh, thats US to US
[19:22] <beardface> i dont know how to get paypal to do different post
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[19:22] <beardface> let me look
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[19:23] <piofcube> Just plain cheap and cheerful postage is okay for me... not expediated shipping is needed LOL
[19:23] <piofcube> not=no**
[19:24] <EricBetts> zgreg: nevermind, we seem to be lost in the weeds.
[19:24] <beardface> piofcube, looking for cheapest post...
[19:24] <beardface> is 12.95 really the cheapest international?
[19:25] <piofcube> I guess it depends on if you can ship it as a leter or parcel?
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[19:27] <zgreg> EricBetts: maybe
[19:27] <piless_> piofcube: I would expect it would at least need a jiffy bag
[19:27] <piofcube> piless_: yeah but as it's small and light, it might be classed as a letter and not a parcel.
[19:28] <mkopack> back??? what did I miss?
[19:29] <piofcube> I'm glad they've done away with those rubber stamps at the post office... Stamp stamp crack... LOL
[19:29] <piless_> piofcube: You could try contacting the distribution company about their packaging policy.
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[19:29] <piofcube> piless_: LOL.. We're talking about beardface's models :-)
[19:29] <mkopack> h
[19:29] <mkopack> ah
[19:30] <piless_> piofcube: Oh, well ask the post office then
[19:30] <mkopack> Just put it in one of those little flat-rate USPS boxes
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[19:32] <piofcube> USPS first-class mail international seems very cheap
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[19:33] <mkopack> I ordered one of those "Slice of pi" add-on boards for the RPi today??? going from UK->US via Royal Mail??? and it's only going to cost like $3 to ship
[19:33] <beardface> flat rate boxes 12.95
[19:34] <mkopack> Ah. Didn't know what the prices were on them. Probably cheaper to get a small box yourself and ship it
[19:34] <piofcube> USPS first-class mail international packages for 4oz is $4.56 from Us to UK
[19:34] <nuil> mkopack: slice of pi?
[19:35] <piless_> mkopack: What does the slice of pi do?
[19:35] <Gadget-Mac> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[19:35] <Gadget-Mac> Evening folks
[19:35] <mkopack> null: http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
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[19:36] <mkopack> Add on board that breaks out the GPIO pins and gives you a socket for an XBee wireless module (which I already have)
[19:36] <beardface> piofcube: link?
[19:36] <Gadget-Mac> And at the same time, for anyone interested in 1-wire on RPi http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/raspberrypi-1-wire-expansion/
[19:36] <beardface> this is all is saw: https://www.usps.com/send/priority-mail-international-flat.htm
[19:36] <beardface> which actually is telling me 16.95 US to UK
[19:36] <mkopack> useful for talking to Arduino robots wirelessly (or to another computer for that matter)
[19:36] <beardface> which seems outrageous
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[19:37] <nuil> nice
[19:37] <piofcube> http://forums.openindieproject.org/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=250
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[19:37] <piofcube> oops LOL.. sorry
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[19:37] <piofcube> https://www.usps.com/send/first-class-international.htm
[19:38] <mkopack> null: Whole thing, shipped from the UK to the US only came to $8.53 so I figured why not?
[19:38] <nuil> mkopack: yep
[19:38] <piofcube> Packages (Maximum length + height + thickness = 36")
[19:38] <tero9> anybody got it yet?
[19:38] <tero9> :)
[19:38] <piless_> Hmm, so they calculate it via dimension and not weight?
[19:39] <mkopack> Man, wish I had a clue how to draw stuff in solid works or some other CAD package??? (or time to mess with it for that matter)
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[19:39] <piofcube> just weight but the package can't be bigger than that
[19:40] <beardface> cool
[19:40] <beardface> i lowered the shipping cost... never know till you get to the post office
[19:40] <piofcube> Hey... RA and Farnell should have come in here and we'd have sorted their mailing problems out before the launch ;-)
[19:40] <beardface> but 16.95 seemed insane
[19:41] <beardface> lol
[19:41] <mkopack> 2U RPi rack mount cassis with integrated GigE switch and Power for all the RPi's inside??? I would think you could easily fit 20-30 of them in a case like that???
[19:41] <nuil> mkopack: my wish
[19:41] <piless_> piofcube: It's not really a logistics issue, but rather unprepared infrastructure.
[19:41] <mjr> mkopack, ...but why...
[19:42] <mkopack> null: I actually have a concept for one in mind???
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[19:42] <mkopack> mjr: That's the issue??? would anyone actually USE something like that?
[19:42] <nuil> mkopack: but 35$*20+switch+case+psu
[19:42] <nuil> =700$
[19:42] <nuil> oh m 1000$
[19:42] <nuil> minimum
[19:43] <mkopack> Yeah, for performance that your 8-thread core i7 could probably top???
[19:43] <nuil> mkopack: or lets say 2-3 small amd pcs
[19:43] <mkopack> yeah...
[19:44] <nuil> mkopack: i would have one
[19:44] <mkopack> Now, granted, even at 30 Rpi's, you're talking only like 50W total consumption for all of them at full blast + the network switch
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[19:44] <nuil> mkopack: jep,
[19:44] <mkopack> But does that really give enough performance to make it worth while? Is there a use case for that many RPi's together?
[19:45] <mkopack> Because, if so, I could totally sketch up a basic design for a 2U rack chassis
[19:45] <nuil> mkopack: really parallel work
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[19:45] <nuil> mkopack: with only 1+1 for each core
[19:45] <fragalot> rawr
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[19:46] <mkopack> (and you forgot the cost of the SD card for each in the price)
[19:46] <nuil> how many flops does a rpi make?
[19:46] <mkopack> no clue
[19:46] <nuil> mkopack: let it be 1300$
[19:46] <piofcube> well.. some would say the launch was a big one... j/k
[19:46] <R`> i was thinking of something similar mkopack
[19:46] <R`> but i was shot down here aswell :(
[19:47] <R`> i havent really done the numbers
[19:47] <nuil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/a-supercomputer-for-100
[19:47] <mkopack> R: Well, I think the issue is there needs to be a valid reason why somebody would use a cluster of RPi's vs 1 big PC to do a job...
[19:47] <R`> clusters are cool!
[19:47] <nuil> R`: thats the point
[19:48] <nuil> R`: videoencoding on 25 rpis
[19:48] <mkopack> yes, but you have to get enough performance out of the cluster of them that it makes sense performance vs cost to build vs cost to run compared to a cluster (or even 1 big) x86 machines.
[19:48] <zgreg> clustering raspis is not useful in any way
[19:48] <zgreg> a cheap quadcore will outclass such a "cluster"
[19:49] <nuil> jep
[19:49] <nuil> 24gflops for the gpu
[19:49] <piofcube> mkopack: one reason could be USB... If you needed 40 USB devices... how would that work on one single machine? Depends on what the USB devices are but if you could use them on the R-Pi and use ssh or something to connect, it would be ideal.
[19:49] <zgreg> nuil: and just how are you going to use those theoretical 24 gflops? (which are not much by current gpu standards, by the way...)
[19:50] <nuil> zgreg: i know
[19:50] <mkopack> zgreg: exactly. so my argument would be that the power cost of the quad core is going to be much higher.
[19:50] <nuil> mkopack: lets say the cpu has 1gflop
[19:50] <zgreg> mkopack: I doubt that
[19:50] <mkopack> <1 W per Rpi...
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[19:51] <mkopack> So, Let's just us simple numbers??? 1W per Rpi...
[19:51] <mkopack> What performance for a single RPi?
[19:51] <nuil> mkopack: 1gflop cpu power
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[19:51] <nuil> mkopack: < 1gflop
[19:51] <zgreg> it's probably like 100-150 MHz of a contemporary x86 core
[19:51] <fragalot> zgreg: I heard it was 300
[19:51] <ReggieUK> will it blend
[19:51] <fragalot> ReggieUK: yes.
[19:52] <mkopack> Ok so Let's say 1 RPI gives 1/100 the performance of a single x86 modern Core.
[19:52] <nuil> zgreg: p4 3.2ghz = 6.4gfop
[19:52] <nuil> maximum
[19:52] <zgreg> fragalot: of a pentium-ii, according to the faq. yeah.
[19:52] <fragalot> zgreg: I'll shut up now.
[19:52] <fragalot> :P
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[19:52] <mkopack> So a single quad core gives CPU performance of 400 RPi's
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[19:52] <zgreg> fragalot: but a core-i7 or amd phenom or whatever have MUCH higher ipc
[19:52] <mkopack> What's the power envelop of the quad core x86 system? And remember, it's not just the CPU, but also the rAM, chipset, etc.
[19:52] <mkopack> It needs to be < 400 W or the RPi wins
[19:53] <nuil> mkopack: 14k$
[19:53] <nuil> it is cheaper to buy a cuda/opencl card
[19:53] <zgreg> mkopack: a reasonable built PC without powerful GPU is at 100-150W peak
[19:53] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jlSF0dtDRD8#!
[19:53] <mkopack> zgreg: That for everything or just the CPU?
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[19:53] <zgreg> for everything, of course
[19:54] <mkopack> I guess that's everything except the GPU??? so yeah, RPi cluster probably doesn't make sense then
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[19:54] <zgreg> and that is the AC power usage, that is after PSU conversion losses
[19:54] <mkopack> unless you have some specific reason to need an ARM cluster
[19:54] <R`> its cool :(
[19:54] <R`> stop being so negative :D
[19:54] <nuil> mkopack: or really really parallaization
[19:54] <mkopack> (like what the guys doing the Fedora build are doing)
[19:54] <n17ikh> usually that "specific reason" is that you need to build code natively on ARM machines and cross compiling sucks
[19:55] <mkopack> null: even then??? you probably would be better off with getting a good CUDA GPU card to do parallelization
[19:55] <mkopack> n17ikh: Right.. so that's 1 use case???
[19:55] <nuil> mkopack: jep, and by the way it is nu i l
[19:55] <zgreg> nuil: the communication overhead of an rpi cluster is going to kill most of its performance
[19:55] <mkopack> (sorry, the font is pretty small here)
[19:55] <nuil> zgreg: definatly
[19:55] <nuil> mkopack: np
[19:56] <mkopack> right, not a linear performance scale in the cluster
[19:56] <zgreg> you only have the crappy 100 mbit ethernet attached through crappy usb
[19:56] <mkopack> So, I could MAYBE see a cluster of like 8 RPi's to speed up compiling FOR the Rpi??? but that's about it
[19:56] * nuil is building up 10 virtual machines on an eeepc
[19:57] <nuil> mkopack: we plan to buy maybe 5-6, so i will try how it will be with them
[19:57] <mkopack> I eventually plan to get 3 for different purposes, but I might try giving a small cluster a go (since I've never messed around with one before)
[19:58] <piofcube> mkopack: That's a good reason also... people wanting to experiment with clusters and don't/can't pay for more expensive hardware to learn
[19:59] <nuil> piofcube: just burn a ubuntu livecd, and use this
[19:59] <mkopack> Right, so for instance, one of the classes (I WANTED to take but can't because of when it's scheduled.. grr) is on parallel processing, and it would have been cool if they had asked students to buy a small cluster of like 4 RPi's (that'd be the price of a semi=expensive textbook) to run Beowulf on
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[20:00] <gadak> when is the next raspberry pi sale going to start
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[20:00] <mkopack> gadak: What do you mean? Just order / register for interest??? It's continuous production + sales from here on out
[20:00] <Simon-> you don't want 4 nodes in your beowulf cluster
[20:00] <nuil> Simon-: 4 Rpi nodes
[20:00] <Simon-> it's only when you get lots of nodes that you start to see some interesting patterns
[20:00] <gadak> ok
[20:01] <mkopack> Simon: Sure, but that's $$$
[20:01] <Simon-> they'll provide your own cluster
[20:01] <Simon-> their*
[20:01] <mkopack> I'm thinking just to teach basic parallelization cluster concepts on
[20:01] <piofcube> So eachs tudent brings in 4 R-Pis and you connect them all?
[20:01] <gadak> any one working on Windows CE 6.0 portfor rpi
[20:01] <nuil> gadak: nope
[20:01] <mkopack> gadak: wouldn't that have to be MS ???
[20:01] <gadak> ya MS
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[20:04] <Vampier> hi
[20:04] * Vampier dances the discomeats
[20:04] <Vampier> looking for a vendor in the US
[20:04] <nuil> get ready to start 7 vm
[20:05] <Vampier> I saw element14 does the US but I can't select US from the lands
[20:05] <Vampier> countries (oops)
[20:05] <fragalot> Vampier: try farnell.Com
[20:05] <Vampier> thanks
[20:06] <fragalot> Vampier: http://www.newark.com/?CMP=e-96de-00001000
[20:07] <Vampier> I see http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?ICID=hp_Raspberry
[20:07] <Vampier> found it
[20:07] <Vampier> :)
[20:08] <Vampier> thanks guys.. looking forward to start using this
[20:09] <gadak> I am working on porting Windows Compact 7 and Windows CE 6.0 to raspberry pi!!!!
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[20:18] <freddow> The raspberrypi is just a motherboard really?
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> y
[20:20] <petschge> nope. it#s a complete system. including CPU and RAM
[20:20] <Matt> not really, that implies you have to populate other components
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[20:20] <SpeedEvil> I'd say it's a motherboard.
[20:20] <mjr> Yeah well. It's a motherboard with enough integrated peripherals to make a computer.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> A motherboard with the normal peripherals is still a motherboard.
[20:20] <mkopack> Well, motherboard with everything needed except a PSU
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[20:20] <Matt> it's a single board computer
[20:20] <fakker> hence why there is daughterboard
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> It's got RAM and CPU on, but otherwise it's a normal motherboard prettymuch
[20:21] <mjr> 'course, a "motherboard" does kinda imply that there can be daughterboards. Though well... gertboard
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[20:22] <petschge> a motherboard allows you to plugin in other PCBs. you can't do that with a RPi. so it's not a motherboard
[20:22] <mkopack> pet: Not true. Gertboard is a daughterboard. There's the "Slice of Pi" board I just ordered, etc.
[20:22] <mkopack> The GPIO pins can be thought of as an expansion bus
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Also - laptops have motherboards.
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> And can't usually have other PCBs plugged in.
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> Other than through connectors like PCMCIA, Cardbus, or expresscard.
[20:23] <mjr> SpeedEvil, good semantic point, though _often_ they do have minipci or whatever
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> True.
[20:23] <petschge> mine has an UMTS module and a graphics card plugged in
[20:23] <haltdef> your laptop has a removable graphics card? :o
[20:24] <petschge> yes
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> All laptops do haltdef.
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> It's just some need a hot air gun.
[20:24] <petschge> Thinkpad T410 with a nvidia card
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> And/or a hacksaw.
[20:24] <mkopack> lol
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> I did actually consider sawing my ZX81 in half.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> And joining the halves.
[20:25] <hamitron> :(
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> To fit in a robot.
[20:25] <hamitron> you can't do that to a classic
[20:25] <hamitron> ;/
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> It was probably only ~80 wires.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well - there are a _lot_ of them around.
[20:25] <hamitron> guess so
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> >>20 on ebay
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[20:26] <hamitron> they were a little before my time, but bought a 2nd hand ZX128
[20:27] <hamitron> keep meaning to take a closer look
[20:28] <Matt> laptops frequently have little daughterboards
[20:29] <mkopack> Man, part of me wants to go buy an old Amiga???.So many memories
[20:29] <hamitron> bbl, phone
[20:29] <alk__> mkopack: why ever not
[20:29] <alk__> Amiga rulez
[20:29] <Matt> I need to work out how to get one (or more) of my amigas from my parents place in the uk over here to .ca
[20:29] <mkopack> I had an A500 in college??? Built the SCSI controller for it...
[20:29] <mkopack> Sold it to get a PC senior year...
[20:29] <Matt> without spending a fortune on shipping
[20:30] <alk__> mkopack: get to revision and watch the best new Amiga demos released at Easter
[20:30] <alk__> *Revision
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[20:42] <DaQatz> Hmmm I still have my Amiga 2000
[20:42] <DaQatz> also had 2 500's and a 3000 in the house
[20:43] <DaQatz> The 3000 had a picassa board in it.
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[20:43] <Matt> nice
[20:44] <Matt> I've got a 500, a 2000 and a 1200
[20:44] <mkopack> I miss that system??? I had an A500, with a 68010 Blizzard board in it and 5MB RAM, 2nd floppy drive, the SCSI controller I built and a 105MB Quantum SCSI drive
[20:44] <mkopack> The SCSI controller wasn't auto booting so I had a bootstrapping floppy that would get part of the system booted and then switch over to the HD to complete the process
[20:45] <mkopack> I actually found the usenet article the other day from 1994 that I posted it for sale on...
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[20:48] <hotwings> mkopack - i still have an a500 in my storage. and also a c64 for that matter
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[20:48] <mkopack> Yeah, I had a C64 too
[20:48] <mkopack> Miss that as well
[20:48] <mkopack> That's easy enough to emulate though
[20:48] <rm> damn website down half of the time
[20:48] <mkopack> rm: Yeah, it's getting ridiculous trying to read the forums at all during the day
[20:49] <mkopack> I cut my teeth on the C64.
[20:49] <DaQatz> AH yes C64
[20:49] <mkopack> I regret selling both of those systems, but I always had to sell to get the $$$ to buy the next one
[20:49] <DaQatz> My first lang was C64 basic
[20:50] <ReggieUK> I hated the c64
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[20:51] <mkopack> Yup, same here Qatz
[20:51] <mkopack> Reggie: Why?
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[20:51] <hotwings> i learned to code by putting wiring a warm reset button and staring at stuff in the epyx fastload ml monitor
[20:51] <alk__> :O
[20:52] <alk__> blasphemy :)
[20:52] <mkopack> Ah, the Fast Load Cart! Every 64 owners required immediate upgrade
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[20:53] <mkopack> It's amazing the stuff we did with the C64, when you look back now and see how utterly PRIMITIVE that thing was
[20:53] <ReggieUK> mkopack, cos it was crap compared to my bbc model B :)
[20:53] <hotwings> nothing like coding by enter op codes in an ml monitor.. then having a bunch of jsr spagetti for all the things you forgot/screwed up and it was quicker to jsr then re-enter a gazillion op codes
[20:53] <mkopack> 300 baud serial interface to the disk drive...
[20:53] <mkopack> lol
[20:53] <alk__> ReggieUK: only thing that was crap about c64 compared to BBC was the keyboard (:
[20:53] <passstab> what did the micro cost?
[20:53] <ReggieUK> lol, that and speed and graphics
[20:54] <hotwings> no, the c64 had a great keyboard
[20:54] <piofcube> I used to have a few C64 and BBC users connect to the 'net via by BBS... Fun times
[20:54] <mkopack> The waking up my parents in the middle of the night as the floppy drive did the "machine gun" as it rapidly moved the stepper motor controlling the drive head from track 0 to 40
[20:54] <hotwings> that thing could take a beating
[20:54] <hotwings> cnet bbs :D
[20:54] <alk__> ReggieUK: not true good sir!
[20:54] <alk__> :D
[20:54] <ReggieUK> whatever, I know what I know
[20:54] <ReggieUK> we rand speed tests on a number of machines, all running the same code at our computer club
[20:54] <mkopack> hot: haha, everyone at works HATEs when I'm typing because I'm so hard on the keyboard??? I had to explain to them that I learned to type on the C64??? That thing required you to be heavy
[20:55] <ReggieUK> bbc beat *everything* hands down
[20:55] <alk__> speed wise, probably
[20:55] <piofcube> mkopack: lots of travel distance between first touch and character input also
[20:55] <mkopack> yup
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[20:55] <alk__> but c64 had sprites! and lots of colours, and SID
[20:55] <mkopack> so I learned to pound on the keys
[20:55] <hotwings> any speed advantage of bbc cant touch all the fun the c64 scene was
[20:55] <Matt> I miss my model m keyboard
[20:56] <mkopack> Matt: you can get a newly tabbed one??? but it's like $200...
[20:56] <ReggieUK> bbc had ELITE
[20:56] <ReggieUK> I WIN
[20:56] <mkopack> There's a company that bought the design and patent from IBM.
[20:56] <mkopack> Um, so did the C64 :)
[20:56] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, so did C64
[20:56] <ReggieUK> first?
[20:56] <mkopack> maybe not first, but it had it
[20:56] <hotwings> c64 had <run down endless list of awesome c64 warez here>... we win
[20:57] <jonand_> how will people hook up displays to their rpis? hdmi -> dvi-d cables?
[20:57] <ReggieUK> and you could add roms to the bbc
[20:57] <piofcube> Speccy had manic miner :P Okay... elite was a better game but Manic miner was addictive
[20:57] <mkopack> jon: None, since NOBODY has the thing yet
[20:57] <ReggieUK> plug in a rom and instant load 'robotron'?
[20:57] <mkopack> Oh how WILL they, sorry, misread your post
[20:57] <DaQatz> Loved Wizard on C64
[20:57] <ReggieUK> or a speech sythesiser?
[20:57] <hotwings> jonand_ - i will be using hdmi of course
[20:57] <jonand_> mkopack: well not NOBODY, right?
[20:58] <jonand_> some betas are out there I presume+
[20:58] <Matt> manic miner was great :)
[20:58] * Matt grew up with a spectrum
[20:58] <mkopack> I'll be using HDMI to hook to my Samsung 40" in the bedroom (or maybe the 48" sony in the living room)
[20:58] <Matt> now if we're talking keyboards, that was an awful one :)
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[20:58] <mkopack> Impossible Mission 1+2???. Earth Orbit Stations, Racing Destruction Set???.
[20:58] <mkopack> Summer Games, Winter Games, California Games...
[20:58] <mkopack> Skate or Die
[20:58] <hotwings> international karate, summer games,winter games, california games
[20:58] <hotwings> lol yea
[20:58] <mkopack> Yes...
[20:59] <hotwings> racing destruction set was awesome
[20:59] <ReggieUK> but they all looked like shit
[20:59] <mkopack> Commando
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[20:59] <jonand_> gee, this channel could use some sub channels... #raspberrypi-homecomputernostalgia
[20:59] <ReggieUK> all of them
[20:59] <passstab> i never played one (way too young)
[20:59] <piofcube> All those games could come back on the R-Pi... Box one up in a paisley case and the kiddies can present it to their dads for farthers' day or something... Pre loaded with all those games and plugs into the TV.
[20:59] <passstab> but i love the music
[20:59] <passstab> of slay radio
[20:59] <ReggieUK> oh and bbc undoubtedly helped to spawn the rasbperry pi :D
[20:59] <mkopack> My cousin and I always used to try to design tracks in RDS that would use every possible cell in the map grid??? and they were BRUTAL??? Like stepped up ramps made of ICE and such
[20:59] <hotwings> marble madness :]
[20:59] <alk__> ReggieUK: have you seen any recent c64 demos? :) I recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vImo9qXjIk
[21:00] <jonand_> I saw it mentioned on the wiki that there is a DSI interface available... has anyone seen DSI displays available for purchase with MOQ = 1 from somewhere?
[21:00] <mkopack> Ah, I had M.M. on the Amiga
[21:00] <piofcube> Monty Mole... another classic
[21:00] <mkopack> jon: we're not sure yet that the first production run boards will have the DSI connector on them
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[21:00] <hotwings> c64 games.. BEST! c64 music.. BEST! c64 scene.. BEST!
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[21:01] <toxibuny> Hello!
[21:01] <Vampier> that's exactly what I'll be using it for
[21:01] <alk__> coded by Pantaloon, who also happens to be the coder of Battlefield 3 :)
[21:01] <mkopack> Amiga- Defender of the Crown, SpeedBall 2 Brutal Deluxe...
[21:01] <Vampier> emulation
[21:01] <jonand_> mkopack: as long as there are pads I imagine my soldering iron will solve that...
[21:01] <ReggieUK> we're talking about what they did back in the day
[21:01] <alk__> I'm talking about now :D
[21:01] <ReggieUK> not what they've managed to do after 30 years of development :D
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[21:01] <piofcube> well.. I must admit the C64 could do maths better than the spectrum
[21:01] <alk__> but ok ;)
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[21:01] <alk__> c64 is still relevant
[21:02] <mkopack> just saying Amiga had some great games as well???
[21:02] <mkopack> But anyhow, yeah, C64??? all the way???
[21:02] <alk__> mkopack: you saw that demo in my link?
[21:02] <mkopack> I have a DVD filled with a TON of old C64 stuff...
[21:02] <hotwings> magic pockets
[21:02] <jonand_> mkopack: I have a shitload of leftover TFTs from 7" to 24" but they are all LVDS. Guess I need to find a DSI -> LVDS bridge chip.
[21:02] <toxibuny> I was an ST guy myself. Amiga was too expensive, plus I liked the MIDI
[21:03] <mkopack> Never got to play with the ST much??? some stores had them but rarely out to try out
[21:03] <alk__> I just can't see the BBC doing this (:
[21:03] <b00zi> alk__ BBC micro?
[21:03] <alk__> yep
[21:03] <b00zi> BBC micro can do MIDI
[21:03] <toxibuny> Whoa, just got a nostalgia wave.
[21:03] <b00zi> there is software
[21:03] <hotwings> my friend had an st.. made me glad i was into commodore
[21:04] <alk__> b00zi: I'm talking about the c64 demo I linked
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[21:04] <b00zi> just have fun trying to build the MIDI I/O )circuit diagrams available though)
[21:04] <mkopack> Good old SID chip
[21:04] <b00zi> dunno alk__ i only just got here
[21:04] <alk__> :D
[21:04] <alk__> b00zi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vImo9qXjIk
[21:05] <b00zi> no flash :)
[21:05] <alk__> doh :)
[21:05] <alk__> isn't youtube supporting html5 nowadays
[21:05] <ReggieUK> bbc could indeed do midi
[21:05] <ReggieUK> with an addon box
[21:05] <toxibuny> Amstrad green screen posse ASSEMBLE!
[21:05] <b00zi> youtube-dl stopped working also
[21:05] <piofcube> I used to have a Dragon and an Acorn Electron... I thought the dragon looked like a cheap C64 knock-off LOL
[21:05] <ReggieUK> called, I think, the music500
[21:05] <ReggieUK> by peartree?
[21:05] <alk__> the music 500 was a synth in a box
[21:05] <alk__> and the music 5000 was its big brother
[21:06] <alk__> FM soundchip
[21:06] <ReggieUK> I had a music 500 I Think
[21:06] <ReggieUK> and my dad had the 5000
[21:06] <alk__> nice
[21:06] <alk__> still have it?
[21:06] <ReggieUK> nope, never really got into it that much
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[21:06] <ReggieUK> then again, my dad wasn't a brilliant teacher
[21:06] <ReggieUK> or I was a crap learner
[21:06] <mkopack> I do miss the 80's when there were so many competing architectures and OS'es and you had a lot more choice??? But then you also had to deal with the "Not available on your system" issues.. (of course, we have that on the consoles these days as well..)
[21:06] <ReggieUK> 1 of the 2
[21:07] <beardface_> pronterface?
[21:07] <beardface_> printrun?
[21:07] <beardface_> whoops, wrong irc
[21:07] <mkopack> You'd go into the local computer shop and there'd be the PC section, the Apple/Mac sections, the C64/128, and the Atari area
[21:07] <mkopack> Now it's all PC, and if you're LUCKY some small Mac area
[21:07] <toxibuny> There's no 'sound chip' on the raspi, right? I'd like to see a homebrew arcade game project with some type of hardware synth added for character
[21:08] <b00zi> mkopack but in the early 90s there were 64 bit supercomputers (now redundant)
[21:08] <mkopack> toxi: not a dedicated chip that I know of
[21:08] <hotwings> no synth chip, no
[21:08] <Matt> but it wouldn't be hard to add one one :)
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[21:08] <Matt> you've got all those lovely gpio lines
[21:08] <b00zi> Matt HardSID or such?
[21:08] <mkopack> b00zi: lol, true??? The Mac Pro I have at home would make a 1990's Cray-1 cry
[21:09] <toxibuny> I've been having a look around lately, but open source hardware synths all seem to be monophonic. Only found one or two, like...
[21:09] <ReggieUK> my dad used to do weird things like play the 'sailors hornpipe' through the rs232 port
[21:09] <b00zi> how did this pi channel become synth/amiga/c64 ?
[21:09] <ReggieUK> (it caused a whistle when you sent data through it)
[21:09] <piofcube> as it's "pi"... what goes round come round ;-)
[21:10] <ReggieUK> oh dear, ignorance wins again ;)
[21:10] <ReggieUK> pi is for python
[21:10] <b00zi> heh
[21:10] <toxibuny> HardSID looks quite cool, but something more modern would be nice
[21:10] <ReggieUK> but there is a definite link between a bbc micro (model A or model b anyone?) and a raspberry pi
[21:10] <b00zi> it's linux, stuff should be EASY to port
[21:10] <ReggieUK> so I feel vindicated in mentioning how great they were :D
[21:11] <toxibuny> 'Definite'? I dunno. It's more conceptual :*
[21:11] <DaQatz> ReggieUK, That's only because the BBC micro was british. The rest of the world was suing C64's
[21:11] <DaQatz> useing*
[21:11] <DaQatz> ...
[21:11] <ReggieUK> and now they're all using arm in their pockets
[21:11] <piofcube> Well... there's a link in the form of David Braben I guess ;-)
[21:12] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro
[21:12] <b00zi> DaQatz there were more ZX spectrums in homes than C= 64
[21:12] <hotwings> alk__ - even after not having touched a c64 in so many years, i still find it impossible to watch demos and not analyze everything & how i would do the same visuals
[21:12] <b00zi> BBC micro was more a schools thing
[21:12] <hotwings> lol
[21:12] <ReggieUK> Acorn directly employed the machine to simulate and develop the ARM architecture which sees widespread use in embedded systems as of 2012.
[21:12] <ReggieUK> DIRECT LINK TO PI :D
[21:12] <toxibuny> Shame the Archimedes wasn't more popular - for emulation reasons...
[21:13] <piofcube> but did the speccy have an entire TV series for it? ;-) actually I liked them all just for different reasons
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[21:13] <toxibuny> Ok Reggie. Sorry, you're exactly right.
[21:13] <toxibuny> Silly me
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[21:14] <ReggieUK> it's not just that though toxibuny
[21:14] <ReggieUK> the pi and pushing it through schools was a direct result of the same thing happening because of the bbc micro in UK schools
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[21:15] <ReggieUK> and the apparent decline of decent software engineers in the last 20 years
[21:15] <toxibuny> ARM used to be called 'Acorn RISC machines '
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[21:15] <piofcube> 2014 will be the 30th anniversary of Elitle
[21:15] <piofcube> Elite** *fingers grrr*
[21:16] <zleap> lol i read that correctly even though you corrected it
[21:16] <toxibuny> Still the single game I've spent the most time on, I think. Mariokart series wins, but different versions/sequels, etc.
[21:16] <alk__> hotwings: :)
[21:17] <piofcube> anyone fancy nabbing Braben until he agrees to bring out a special edition of elite? ;-)
[21:17] <alk__> hotwings: did you see it?
[21:17] <toxibuny> You reckon they'll get it into schools like they want to?
[21:17] <b00zi> ReggieUK you've just read that, it's partial propaganda
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[21:17] <toxibuny> Let elite rest in peace, please.
[21:18] <b00zi> next thing you know there will be an ARM version of windows just to piss on everybody's chips ;)
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[21:18] <toxibuny> Heh
[21:18] <beardface_> cool; this little RPI pcb model should end up looking pretty good
[21:18] <beardface_> it sliced into gcode better than expected
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[21:19] <zleap> b00zi, given ubuntu arm won't run on the PI as its for the wrong ARM chip version won't windows have to be built just for the pi
[21:19] <piofcube> beardface: great :-)
[21:19] <zleap> or different arm chip
[21:20] <b00zi> zleap that was a joke but surely some idiot could port whichever OS easy enough
[21:20] <zleap> port win3.1 more chance of running :D
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[21:21] <ReggieUK> b00zi, what have I just read?
[21:21] <piofcube> I thought there was going to be an ARM version of win8... if anyone *really* wanted it :S LOL
[21:21] <haltdef> it's a bit useless
[21:21] <toxibuny> Have the production models got the ugly sticky-out SD card slot?
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[21:21] <zleap> piofcube, there will be but as I said maybe it has to be ported to a specifc arm architecture
[21:21] <haltdef> can't port x86 software to it
[21:21] <haltdef> pointless
[21:22] <piofcube> zleap: I won't lose sleep over that TBH LOL
[21:22] <b00zi> ReggieUK sorry, i wasn't meaning 'actual'
[21:22] <mkopack> toxi: the card WILL stick out??? don't know if the bracket itself for holding the card will or not
[21:22] <b00zi> but a recent blah article said the same that you just said
[21:22] <zleap> we should concentrate on supporting linux on the pI and force MS to loose sleep
[21:22] <zleap> lose
[21:22] <toxibuny> Isn't windows ARM just Microsoft noticing the change in the wind?
[21:22] <b00zi> how it's all about the GUI *windows) and no idea what is underneath
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[21:22] <piofcube> once you have a case around the PCB it won't stick out any more than any other device I guess
[21:22] <haltdef> they're going for the tablet market
[21:22] <toxibuny> Yeah
[21:23] <mkopack> it's MS freaking out that everyone is buying tablets running iOS or Android and they're losing out on laptop sales
[21:23] <haltdef> totally forgotten about regular PCs unfortunately
[21:23] <toxibuny> That's what I meant
[21:23] <ReggieUK> well, funnily enough eben etc. are pushing for the pi to get back into schools to kickstart our software engineers at high-school level at least
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[21:23] <zleap> well I amsure there are enough of us out there to really support schools with this
[21:23] <ReggieUK> indeeed
[21:24] <ReggieUK> although back in the 80s
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[21:24] <ReggieUK> teachers actually knew what they were doing with the insides of a computer
[21:24] <zleap> i just added more links on python game development to my website
[21:24] <toxibuny> It's not too unlikely, assuming politicians actually can do something...
[21:24] <zleap> yeah we had logic gate bpards we could plug together and experiment with which was really cool for gcse
[21:24] <toxibuny> Big assumption, I know.
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[21:25] <piofcube> need to get with the school governers or whatever they are called in the other countries... More chance of things happening IMHO if we do
[21:25] <zleap> I just hope teachers are open minded enough to allow us to actually help
[21:25] <b00zi> does anybody here actually have one?
[21:25] <toxibuny> Not I. Humble consumer, me...
[21:25] <zleap> not yet, waiting for RS to get in touch
[21:26] <haltdef> same
[21:26] <steve_rox> i dout they can cope
[21:26] <toxibuny> Same
[21:26] <zleap> where can i get some leaflets on the rasp PI to give to people ?
[21:26] <haltdef> hoping I got one of their first 5k :P
[21:26] <steve_rox> haha first 5k :-P
[21:26] <steve_rox> ppl weere bombing that thing to hell
[21:26] <piofcube> We'll be producing some soon if no-one else does.
[21:26] <steve_rox> and probly regged interest using multipul accounts
[21:26] <zleap> piofcube, cool,
[21:27] <toxibuny> There are none. Post requests on forums - maybe a graphic designer will step up..
[21:27] <mkopack> There were those QR Code signs people made up...
[21:27] <zleap> i want something teacher / govenor friendly
[21:27] <haltdef> not holding my breath, though I did get my interest registered very soon after 6am that morning
[21:27] <zleap> pic of product, name of productm what is its, waht it does, price and why we need one in the school sort of thing
[21:27] <piofcube> need something that people can just read and have it spooned to them bit by bit... just sending them to a site will just confuse and lose them IMHO
[21:28] <zleap> if you also hand people a flyer and say i can help with this then that is better
[21:28] <hotwings> is it just me or do other people hate that there are ports on all 4 sides
[21:28] <mkopack> yeah, it's not ideal...
[21:29] <b00zi> hotwings ports of what?
[21:29] <piofcube> would be better if it could all be on one side but space restrictions prevented it I guess
[21:29] <zleap> over 200+ kids at my local rugby club, all of school age, get some of them interested plus any kids / young people i get in this computer group
[21:29] <mkopack> It's going to look like a Hydra with cables coming off all sides
[21:29] <toxibuny> It's not too hard if you can use a DTP package - just rip something off. There's a very professional-looking anti-religious pamphlet out there that'd do nicely.
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[21:30] <piofcube> Also, a pic of the R-Pi inside a friendly case would be better...
[21:31] <zleap> yeah
[21:31] <toxibuny> Just make a feature of it for now - say something about creativity, and have pics of a couple of existing designs
[21:31] <mkopack> Oh, lovely = "We've just found a scam site (no link love from us) which has copied our header and is pretending to sell Raspis w a PayPal donate button..."
[21:32] <toxibuny> I got scammed once buying a DS flashcart. Serves me right.
[21:32] <piofcube> well... I'm sure a word to Paypal will remove their account quick
[21:33] <passstab> thay tryed that
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[21:34] <DaQatz> For some reason I think the rpi's case should be bright red.
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[21:34] <toxibuny> Might as well
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[21:34] <toxibuny> It'd be distinctive.
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[21:35] <ReggieUK> make a prototype from fimo
[21:35] <ReggieUK> could go really creative on it
[21:36] <hotwings> DaQatz - your thinking of the Cherry Pi
[21:36] <DaQatz> Ahh no
[21:36] <mkopack> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/video/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-developer-video
[21:36] <hotwings> they should just make the case the sape of their logo
[21:36] <DaQatz> Raspberries are pretty bright red
[21:36] <hotwings> *shape
[21:37] <mkopack> At the end he mentioned there being a couple glitches??? but doesn't say what they are??? I hope they elaborate soon
[21:37] <toxibuny> Mine's going in a psone case :P nobody will even think of nicking it.
[21:37] <ReggieUK> the gaurdian has got a pet developer 0.o wtf?
[21:37] <hotwings> the raspberries around here seem more purple'ish
[21:37] <mkopack> that looks like one of the test run boards from December (SD card holder sticks out)
[21:37] <ReggieUK> oh I get it, he's the only one that can work the microwave in the office
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> asshat still hasn't developed them a decent spell checker
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[21:38] <mkopack> LOl, the guys' name is Chris Cross???. Did his parents REALLY not like him?
[21:39] <hotwings> about as much as his barber hates him from the looks of it
[21:39] <ReggieUK> or is he young and not good at choosing appropriate pen names yet?
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[21:40] <piofcube> I've known about 6 different people called Ken Wood... all of them were electronic engineers... I thought it was funny LOL
[21:40] <hotwings> why would a 'web developer' have/use a pen name?
[21:40] <rm> piofcube, clones from the future
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[21:40] <rm> to advance our incompetent science
[21:40] <rm> don't you watch movies
[21:40] <piofcube> lol
[21:40] <ReggieUK> zomg, their developer really put it through it's paces didn't he? Running snake, I bet that brought it to it's knees
[21:41] <ReggieUK> the qt demo was waaaay better than that :)
[21:41] <zleap> ok, i grabbed the pic and text from the rs website for this, and added a tux logo. I am not a graphic designer but its a start http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/rasppI/flyer.pdf
[21:41] <ReggieUK> he typed stuff and things changed on screen, on the fly :D
[21:42] <mkopack> Oh thank god, now that the foundation has some $$$ coming in, they're getting a new DB server???
[21:42] <zleap> lol
[21:42] <zleap> yeah there are a few db connection errors atm
[21:42] <piofcube> he's got a R-Pi sticker on his monitor so he must be okay ;-)
[21:43] <ReggieUK> not sure that I'd put the price of the pi in the flyer
[21:43] <ReggieUK> at least not in gbp
[21:43] <mkopack> lol, somebody's twitter post: "My Mum got a call from Element 14 confirming my #Raspberry_Pi order and asked my why I spent $35 on Raspberry Pie!"
[21:43] <zleap> :)
[21:44] <piofcube> something for less than... or something as vague as you can buy x number for the price of an ordinary desktop PC
[21:44] <zleap> I wonder how much pie you would get for $35
[21:44] <zleap> one BIG pie , yummy
[21:44] <zleap> ReggieUK, ok $35 then
[21:45] <nuil> we should make one and send it to the foundation
[21:45] <ReggieUK> I might not even do that zleap, just put links to the distributors instead
[21:45] <zleap> well not sure if the text on there is gonna be copyright to RS i guess not as its the spec stuff
[21:45] <ReggieUK> because people are already whining about the $35 cost not being the true cost
[21:45] <zleap> ReggieUK, i did that in open office writer if you want the source file
[21:45] <ReggieUK> no thank you :)
[21:45] <zleap> ok
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[21:46] <ReggieUK> just offering constructive criticism :)
[21:46] <zleap> ok np
[21:46] <mkopack> Reggie: That's because they're IDIOTS who can't READ.
[21:46] <piofcube> idiots read? Sorry... I only took notice of the important words there LOL
[21:47] <ReggieUK> well, yes and no, lets face it, we all bitch about the forums and how crappy they are
[21:47] <ReggieUK> I personally haven't used the forums for MONTHS
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[21:47] <mkopack> I just loved the guy who went off on the rant about the price not being $35 and how now he couldn't afford it because he was on a fixed income and disability and such???. OH WELL.. If is disabled then he must have free time on his hands and should/could have read all along that the $35 does NOT include VAT + S/H. geesh
[21:47] <zleap> Well its 35$ for the unit you need to buy a psu and sd card not much to moan about is it
[21:48] <zleap> oh and vat and shipping too
[21:48] <ReggieUK> my dads buying mine for me :)
[21:48] <piofcube> mkopack: give him a break... He built his PC out of baked bean cans and string... :P
[21:48] <mkopack> Exactly. It's still a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a Netbook or a cell phone, or whatever.
[21:48] <zleap> yeah
[21:48] <lars_t_h> hello, this is off-topic, but funny: https://plus.google.com/photos/118383007039633421667/albums/posts/5710138133198570386
[21:48] <mkopack> if you're seriously that cash strapped, maybe buying a computer shouldn't be your first priority
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[21:49] <zleap> i wonder if the Open uni will do a course based on one of these and you get one with the course materials
[21:49] <zleap> given you get a planisphere with a astronomy course and a molymod kit with a chemistry course
[21:50] <piofcube> zleap: I'm going to try to encourage them to do something under their free open learning part of their site when I start talks with them about other things... Though nothing definate just yet about anything...
[21:50] <zleap> ok cool
[21:50] <zleap> actually they do a LInux course
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[21:51] <ReggieUK> zleap, you should also mention that the ethernet is only on model B
[21:51] <zleap> done
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[21:52] <piofcube> I also hope to grab the OLnet director when I see him at ccSalon at the end of this month and mention the R-pi
[21:53] <zleap> should i put farnell or element 14
[21:55] <piofcube> could link to the buyers guide on the wiki I guess?
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[21:56] <zleap> piofcube, you got a url for thatplease
[21:56] <zleap> database down again
[21:57] <piofcube> elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide I think is the right one
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[21:58] <piofcube> They would be better off hiding the table of contents as it just puts a load of whitespace on the page
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[21:59] <mkopack> WTF?
[21:59] <mkopack> Must have had a network hiccup???
[22:00] <zleap> ok modded my poster http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/rasppI/flyer.pdf
[22:00] <mkopack> thank god I'll be done with this one class next Monday??? So tired of it
[22:00] <piofcube> raspberrypi.org instead of .com perhaps?
[22:01] <zleap> ok ty
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[22:08] <zleap> sorry about that, ubuntu hung on me
[22:09] <mkopack> doh
[22:09] <zleap> yeah
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[22:11] <zleap> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/rasppI/flyer.pdf
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[22:13] <OneFix_Work> So, how long should it take for another group to make a board that essentially does what the rPi does with another SOC? I would AssUMe that the rPi folks are pretty attached to the BroadCom SOC processors now...
[22:13] <mkopack> zleap: Might want to include the power requirements? (< 1W power!)
[22:14] <mkopack> OneFix: We figure its only a matter of weeks before the Chinese try to do a knockoff using a different SoC.
[22:14] <haltdef> I don't know how loyal to broadcom they'd be if TI or someone were to offer them a better SoC for the price of the current broadcom one tbh
[22:15] <mkopack> halt: Um, considering a couple of the foundation people (Eben for isntace) WORKS for Broadcom, they're pretty married to it.
[22:15] <OneFix_Work> haltdef: There was also a rumor last summer that BroadCom was looking to buy TI's OMAP division
[22:15] <zleap> OMAP ?
[22:16] <haltdef> I know that, but if abandoning broadcom means a better SoC, would it matter?
[22:16] <mkopack> zleap: TI's ARM processor line
[22:16] <zleap> ah
[22:16] <OneFix_Work> zleap: OMAP is TI's name for their ARM SOCs
[22:16] <Dagger2> mkopack: maybe if they try to use a different SoC, they'll suddenly discover /why/ we keep asking for open specifications and the like for this stuff...
[22:16] <OneFix_Work> The BeagleBoard uses a TI chip
[22:16] <haltdef> I'm eying up a pandaboard now I know general purpose ARM computers are a thing, I didn't before I heard of the raspberry pi :P
[22:17] <mkopack> halt: Well, I would think it would take some pretty significant change for them not to stay with broadcom. Eben works on the Videocore line so that's why they used it??? And they get pretty good pricing for it. It's something they're used to working with.
[22:17] <zleap> hmm, surely a little competition is a good thing, it will be like the speccy vs c64 wars back in the 80's
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[22:18] <OneFix_Work> Actually, the PandaBoard uses a TI processor too, which makes it a bit unusual that the BroadCom was chosen for the rPi
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[22:18] <haltdef> panda uses a newer SoC than beagle
[22:18] <haltdef> omap4 vs omap3
[22:18] <mkopack> OneFix: how so? Pandaboard isn't made by same people as Rpi
[22:18] <haltdef> both are heavily subsidied by TI iirc
[22:18] <haltdef> +s
[22:19] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, but the BeagleBoard is not made by the same people that make the PandaBoard
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[22:19] <mkopack> People pick the chip with the right power/price ratio for their needs/projects.
[22:19] <mkopack> Who they can get the best deal from, that will do what they want, and be easiest to build a design around
[22:20] <mkopack> Crap, you can buy 4 RPi's for the price of 1 pandaboard
[22:21] <_av500_> the beagle is not subsidised
[22:21] <_av500_> the panda is
[22:21] <haltdef> I sit corrected
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[22:21] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Actually, a lot of the TI chips have things like Bluetooth and camera support built into them, and the BroadCom chip probably doesn't ... which should make it cheaper.
[22:21] <zleap> hopefully the rasp PI may perhaps get people looking in to things like beagle board, panda board etc
[22:21] <haltdef> ah _av500_, pandaboard man
[22:22] <_av500_> gee, I am unmasked
[22:22] <mkopack> yeah, I think a lot of it will hinge on what sort of experience people have with the Rpi - if it's a good one, they'll look at other ARM based solutions as viable??? If it's bad, it'll put people off of ARM and back towards the x86 world they know.
[22:23] <jzaw> mkopack: i use a sheeva and guruplug ... love them
[22:23] <OneFix_Work> The BeagleBoard-xM is the closest current board to the rPi, but it has more RAM and a faster processor, and it costs ~$150
[22:23] <haltdef> bear in mind ARM11 is very old
[22:23] <jzaw> but compared to the RPi vvvv expensive
[22:23] <_av500_> beagle and panda both use expensive LPDDR memory
[22:24] <_av500_> sine oma??3 and 4 are mobile phone chips more or less
[22:24] <_av500_> since omap3...
[22:24] <haltdef> I'm yet to play with any ARM+linux device, aside from smartphones
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[22:24] <OneFix_Work> haltdef: Have you ever played with Linux on a wireless router?
[22:25] <haltdef> I have, but MIPS :P
[22:25] <mkopack> jzaw: Yeah, I have a sheeva and frankly HATE it??? I'm pretty horrible with Linux and it's just been an absolute nightmare trying to figure out how to get a new version of linux on it and do anything??? I managed to get Debian on it once, and then when I tried to update the packages it filed the onboard flash and crashed the system so I gave up.
[22:25] <haltdef> and it wasn't particularly useful
[22:25] <OneFix_Work> haltdef: Those are usually MIPS processors, but the feeling will be similar
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[22:25] <mkopack> Just not enough good clear documentation on how to use the Sheeva for newbie to linux like me
[22:25] <haltdef> brickable so I couldn't tinker as much as I'd like to with various boards
[22:26] <mkopack> That's one spot where eI'm HOPING the RPi being targeted for education will be better.
[22:26] <jzaw> gosh mkopack once i found a good howto that i modded to my exact use ive got it booting off nand, sd card or esata
[22:26] <OneFix_Work> haltdef: The rPi's "brain" is bootstrapped to the SD card, so it should be next to impossible to "brick" a rPi
[22:26] <haltdef> exactly
[22:26] <mkopack> jzaw: I just found too much confusing information, contradictory stuff, and stuff missing steps that I didn't know how to fill in
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[22:27] <jzaw> agreed info can be sparce
[22:27] <mkopack> nowhere near the level of interest and support as Rpi has/will have
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[22:28] <OneFix_Work> I figure one of the first projects for the rPi will actually be making it into a wifi router
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[22:28] <ewan> so apparently my rasp pi will be delivered in May sometime
[22:28] <OneFix_Work> ewan: Where did you order from?
[22:29] <ewan> element 14, I'm in the states
[22:29] <OneFix_Work> ewan: Right now, any ship dates are just Wild @$$ Guesses...
[22:29] <ewan> good times
[22:29] <mkopack> My first one is still showing April 3 so I'm keeping my fingers crossed
[22:29] <[deXter]> mkopack, Would you consider selling your RPi for a large amount of money? :P
[22:30] <jzaw> mkopack: did you see .... http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html
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[22:30] <mkopack> jzaw: YEha, I went through all that over Xmas.. took a couple tries to get it working??? and it DID finally work??? But like I said, then I went and did something and the onboard flash filled up ad that was that
[22:31] <mkopack> dexter: LOL??? Maybe for an attractive young mail order bride???. :)
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[22:31] <[deXter]> Haha okay.
[22:32] <mkopack> Or a new 250cc 4-stroke dirt bike
[22:32] <mkopack> KTM
[22:32] <OneFix_Work> ewan: I would expect several people to try and resell theirs on ebay after receiving them. The problem with the rPi is that orders are most likely to drop off significantly after the summer...since it's geeks, students, and teachers that will be buying them.
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[22:33] <mkopack> Because at leas the bike won't yell at me if I decide to go try out another bike??? ;)
[22:33] <[deXter]> Well I doubt a mail order bike would yell at you either.
[22:33] <[deXter]> Err, bride.
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[22:34] <mkopack> jzaw: Part of the problem I had with the plug was that all my machines at home are Macs now, and I ran into all kinds of terminal emulation problems when trying to run the debian installer - it was using character codes that the terminal emulator on the the mac couldn't handle and I had to go crazy finding a 3rd party term program (and there aren't many options for the Mac in that regard) that could deal with them...
[22:34] <OneFix_Work> Most people will be buying 1 or 2 rPis for whatever project they have in their heads and that's it...
[22:35] <mkopack> dexter: True??? not if she wants that green card! LOL
[22:35] <[deXter]> ^ :)
[22:35] <OneFix_Work> If enough schools begin using them for programming, there will probably also be a fairly large 2nd-hand market for them
[22:35] <mkopack> Ever hear Eddie Murphy's "Raw" skit about him wanting to go to Africa to find a wife? "Umfoofu" ?
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[22:35] <jzaw> mkopack: im a macbook user myself
[22:36] <[deXter]> mkopack, Nope, don't think I've seen that one.
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[22:36] <mkopack> DEXTER - oh god, go look for it??? It's hillarious
[22:36] <ewan> mkopack: MURPHY MARRIES BUSH BITCH
[22:36] <mkopack> Yup!
[22:36] <ewan> good times, good times
[22:36] <mkopack> "EDDIE!!! Umfoofu is not happy!"
[22:36] <mkopack> "What do you want baby?"
[22:36] <mkopack> "HALF!"
[22:36] <mkopack> LOL
[22:37] <jzaw> use screen for the fdti works fine once you have the righ usb device named in the screen config
[22:38] <mkopack> jzaw: weird. when I tried using Scrnee, it was fine until I got into the debian installer and then everything was garbled text. I couldn't use it to go through the menus for the install process at all
[22:38] <jzaw> oops not screen ... i mean minicom
[22:38] <mkopack> Ah
[22:38] <jzaw> i use screen when i connect from a linux box
[22:39] <jzaw> minicom works fine for the mac
[22:40] <mkopack> Wait, where did you find minicom for mac???
[22:40] <mkopack> all I see is Debian + Red Hat?
[22:40] <jzaw> http://pastebin.com/zq52E1zt
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[22:40] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Fink
[22:41] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: http://www.finkproject.org/
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[22:41] <jzaw> you know its been a while mkopack i cant remember
[22:41] <jzaw> heheh
[22:41] <mkopack> Oh god??? I HATE those things...
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[22:41] <mkopack> Like MacPorts??? UGH??? just puts so much CRAP onto your machine??? No thanks
[22:42] <mkopack> I'd rather just run Ubunut inside of parallels and use that to connect to the Plug
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[22:42] <b00zi> what does mkopack like?
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[22:43] <mkopack> I just don't like mixing Linux based stuff inside my OSX system??? It turns it into a nightmare to remove later??? OSX stuff should be OSX stuff. If I wanted to deal with command line unix stuff, I'd raehr do that inside of Ubuntu running inside of parallels...
[22:43] <mkopack> Just cleaner IMO
[22:43] <jzaw> lol mkopack youd run parallels to run ubuntplop just to have a serial port ?
[22:43] <b00zi> mkopack you can't be a 'purist'
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[22:43] <jzaw> macports aint so bad
[22:43] <b00zi> OSX is based on *BSD code?
[22:44] <jzaw> id rather have that than parallels
[22:44] <b00zi> and 'modern' linux stuff is GNU
[22:44] <mkopack> If it meant not having to install a bunch of emulation/conversions stuff mucking about in my file system getting installed to non-Mac standard places/ways. YES
[22:44] <OneFix_Work> b00zi: Actually, Darwin IS a FreeBSD fork, and Mac OS X and iOS are both forked from Darwin
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[22:45] <mkopack> One: Yup
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[22:45] <b00zi> there is no real solution
[22:46] <b00zi> you can 'roll your own' but there is always somewhere the crux that is windows supported (that you need)
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[22:49] <ReggieUK> anyone know how to get glib-compile-schemas to show up on ubuntu?
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[22:51] <b00zi> america must of gone to bed
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[22:52] <strigel> b00zi: must *have* gone to bed
[22:52] <b00zi> i'm here :P
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[22:52] <[deXter]> Hahaha..
[22:52] <strigel> heheh
[22:52] <mkopack> Nah??? only 4:51 here on the US East coast
[22:52] <b00zi> Monday March 5 21:52:16 GMT 2012
[22:53] <mkopack> I was just connecting into my home machine to print out the slides for my class tonight
[22:53] <mkopack> It's gonna be WONDERFUL when this stupid class is OVER in 2 weeks??? Maybe even sooner than that if I can get the last project done this week
[22:53] <dwery> uhm... farnell's confirmation reports a shipment date in week 21...
[22:53] <b00zi> i dunno what ReggieUK was talking about with 'schemas'
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[22:54] <mkopack> dwery: ? Which site? UK or international or Element 14/Newark ?
[22:54] <mkopack> Is that for YOUR order or in general?
[22:54] <mkopack> That's like mid-may, right?
[22:55] <mkopack> Tha'ts about when most people's Farnell order statuses seem to be
[22:55] <dwery> mkopack: for my order. i'd say farnell it, but I guess the shipment is handled by farnell uk
[22:55] <h0llywood1> Hi all
[22:55] <dwery> 10 weeks from now
[22:55] <dwery> roughly
[22:55] <mkopack> hey h0llywood
[22:55] <b00zi> hi h0llywood1
[22:56] <[deXter]> Hello h0llywood1
[22:56] <mkopack> Oh yay??? tonight's lecture is on Junit, JDB and testing processes??? SNORE
[22:57] <h0llywood1> Today I called farnell and I resolved with the vat number: you have to put ;
[22:57] <h0llywood1> Asterisks instead of the vat number
[22:58] <dwery> XD
[22:58] <[deXter]> mkopack, I wouldn't mind some lectures on JUnit lol. Someone we were never taught formal unit testing in our course..
[22:58] <[deXter]> *somehow
[22:59] <mkopack> dexter: true??? But OMG this class is SO boring??? Doesn't help the prof is only like 2 years older than me and I've helped write books on some of the subjects covered in this class???
[22:59] <h0llywood1> And then put your private tax code (NIN)
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[22:59] <b00zi> is this channel 95% american?
[23:00] <strigel> anyone have any thoughts about low cost interfaces for the rpi? Let's say I want to make a sound recorder, and therefore need at minimum a monochrome dot matrix screen with a few buttons. Perhaps someone has experience in this area.
[23:00] <mkopack> It's just one of those "have to take it" classes??? So trying to just pound it out and finish it to get out of the way so I can focus on my last assignment+final exam for Graphics
[23:00] <[deXter]> mkopack, O.o
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[23:00] <h0llywood1> I'm Italian
[23:00] <[deXter]> b00zi, Not really.
[23:00] <mkopack> b00z: Tends to depend on the time of day???
[23:00] <strigel> b00zi: what makes you say that?
[23:00] [b00zi TIME]
[23:01] <mkopack> ok, time to head out. Catch ya'll later (during class when I'm bored out of my mind...)
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[23:01] <b00zi> strigel just how the chat was
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[23:04] <strigel> I can't think what you mean. Yeeeehaw, pardner
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[23:08] <h0llywood1> OK now I can say that andchat is the best android irc client
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[23:10] <b00zi> is that related to pi?
[23:11] <Mookman288> it's pilicious
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