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IRC Log for 2012-03-07

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[0:00] <strigel> there's a web page there too
[0:00] <CasperN> http://www.biolitestove.com/CampStove.html RPi Powersource??
[0:00] <strigel> quite adult though
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[0:01] <strigel> CasperN: niiice
[0:01] <strigel> pricey though
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[0:02] <strigel> I just got my 5v regulator and 7Ah 12 LiIon battery for powering a USB device
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> So you use wood to charge your phone while cooking stuff?
[0:03] <strigel> so cheap
[0:03] <strigel> from ebay
[0:05] <piofcube> I have begun to cringe when people use eBay, cheap and some form of charger in the same sentence
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[0:06] <zgreg> interesting, the audio output on the raspi uses simple PWM + lowpass
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir> Cheap Ebay Charger sounds like a synonym for = Fried Device
[0:07] <piofcube> or even dead r-Pi user
[0:07] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
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[0:08] <piofcube> Uk trading standards done a report on them a year or so back... some real bad cases
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[0:11] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: And 90% of the time it will probably work.
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Even if it's not in spec.
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[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Another few percent of the time, it'll be flaky, and another few percent, the Pi will explode, or be electrically dangerous.
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> I've had a bit of bad luck with e-bay so I tend to avoid it
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[0:12] <piofcube> Very true... Just what I've seen with my own eyes and read in reliable places... I wouldn't chance it myself
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> I've had very good luck in general.
[0:12] <philh> piofcube, oh, yes, kid killed by nintendo ds charger or something like that?
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> I'be also had bad luck with DX
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> so I tend to avoid that too
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> I've*
[0:12] <piofcube> philh... there was that one but not sure if that was in the report I'm thinking about
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> At the moment, I'm lying on an electric blanket from ebay, on a sofa from ebay, typing on a keyboard from ebay, connected to a laptop from ebay, to a wifi modem from ebay.
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[0:14] <piofcube> Well.. if you are careful... I wouldn't buy a used electric blanket (if it is used) from anywhere though LOL
[0:14] <philh> SpeedEvil, all shipped from hong-kong for free?
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[0:15] <piofcube> 99 cent chargers... _ free delivery... could never make any commercial sense if they were made to standards
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir> asdfghjkl;qwertyuiopzxcvbnm,./
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[0:18] <strigel> piofcube: not a charger, a power source
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> philh: Umm. UK, just up the road, canada, UK, uk
[0:18] <philh> SpeedEvil, not that dodgy then, really
[0:18] <piofcube> yeah... lol.. okay but they are often used to charge phones and often listed as a phone charger
[0:18] <zgreg> I really wonder now what the audio quality on the rpi will be like :)
[0:18] <strigel> to kill someone with my new li-ion battery, it would have to be accelerated very hard towards them
[0:18] <philh> my speakers haven't eaten me yet
[0:19] <steve_rox> perhaps you could get a series of pelter plates/tec coolers and rig em up to power a PI , if you had enough :-P
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> strigel: nope
[0:19] <philh> nor has my amp or my graphics card
[0:19] <piofcube> philh: no but they talk about you behind your back ;-)
[0:19] <philh> have, even
[0:19] <philh> piofcube, :p
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU strigel
[0:20] <AidyFS> pretty basic usb charger would do the job, no?
[0:20] <philh> the biggest problem with the speakers was the embarrassment of going to pick them up and handing over ?1.25
[0:20] <philh> that just doesn't feel right
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> AidyFS: If it complies to the specs.
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> AidyFS: Many, many of the ones from china don't.
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[0:20] <SpeedEvil> AidyFS: In general, buy a genuine charger, from the manufacturer of some device that needs 5V
[0:21] * AidyFS wonders who doesn't have about 20 usb chargers lying around
[0:21] <strigel> SpeedEvil: nice link for a lithium polymer battery. Got any for lithium ion batteries?
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[0:24] <AidyFS> (yes, I'm possibly missing the point)
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[0:32] <strigel> SpeedEvil: the main risks with li-ion are lack of overcharge protection
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> I figured out what I need to charge my Pi! A bike pedal powered thingamabob
[0:33] <strigel> all lithium based batteries are at risk from mechanically induced fire, even branded ones:
[0:33] <strigel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvUjIWEVRnY
[0:33] <strigel> but basic overcharge protection is easy to do and included in li-ion designs
[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> So as long as you have a proper charge protection thing....
[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> you'd be fine
[0:34] <strigel> I would not buy li-po from ebay
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[0:36] <victhor> I thought r-pi updated their servers. I still get database errors often
[0:37] <GabrialDestruir> Tomorrow they're updating
[0:39] <GabrialDestruir> March 7th
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Tomorrow (March 7 2012) we???ll be taking the website offline while we migrate to new servers with our friends at Mythic Beasts. The exact time that???ll happen depends on what Pete???s schedule looks like, but we hope the downtime won???t last for more than a couple of hours. Make the most of those database error messages now, because once we come back up again, you shouldn???t ever have to look at one again (at
[0:41] <victhor> I should have read the text
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[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> lmao xD
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> Soccer is a british term
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> that's just great.
[0:45] <strigel> eh? no GabrialDestruir, it's an American term
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[0:46] <xtr3m3> we call soccer footie or football in the uk
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[0:47] <GabrialDestruir> The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".[6]
[0:47] <strigel> Yes I know that
[0:47] <strigel> actually it abbreviates Association Footbal
[0:47] <GabrialDestruir> So technically it's a british term... xD
[0:47] <strigel> *football
[0:48] <strigel> But anyone who is British will tell you, no one in the country uses the term
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[0:48] <strigel> the minute you hear it referred to as Soccer, you immediately know it originates from an American
[0:48] <strigel> Are you British? I am.
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[0:49] <Ticho> that's because it uses feet to prod the ball - therefore football; in contrast, american football should be called handegg :>
[0:49] <strigel> lol Ticho
[0:49] <xtr3m3> american football = rugby
[0:49] <strigel> Rugby with girly pads
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[0:49] <xtr3m3> lol
[0:49] <ukscone> american football is rugby fir sissies
[0:49] <strigel> and crash helmets
[0:50] <hamitron> american football is nothing like rugby
[0:50] * hamitron sighs
[0:50] <ukscone> aussie rules football is a bar fight
[0:50] <Ticho> hehe
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[0:51] <GabrialDestruir> You just lost the game
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[0:54] <aditsu> oh are you discussing football vs handegg?
[0:56] <aditsu> ah somebody mentioned that already :p
[0:56] <strigel> well they do kick the egg too
[0:56] <aditsu> well, in football they throw the ball with hands too
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[0:57] <strigel> true true
[0:58] <bnmorgan> we just found out today one of the local colleges has a rugby team
[0:58] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: and yes I have lost the game
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[0:58] <bnmorgan> one of our engineers asked what rugby is. i said a combination of soccer, football, hockey, and a marine corps barfight
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[0:59] <SpeedEvil> It's an excuse for lots of man-hugs.
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[0:59] <hamitron> I find it strange how you can tackle players without the ball in american football
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know.... if I was designing a computer for a governement that was somehow changing the future of a war or man kind or something....
[1:00] <hamitron> rugby is like a riot to get to a ball, american football is a riot with a ball somewhere in play
[1:00] <hamitron> ;)
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[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> I'd design it in such a way that unless I entered a code or something every few days
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> it'd self destruct
[1:00] <bnmorgan> and they buy the code from you for $10k
[1:00] <bnmorgan> once a week
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> That way when the government eventually turned on me,
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> they lose all their work
[1:01] <strigel> GabrialDestruir: simple, just power it with an ebay Li-po battery
[1:01] <strigel> it will last days
[1:01] <bnmorgan> wait....who's work? they don't work in the govt.
[1:01] <bnmorgan> they have nothing to loose
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[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> Huh I don't mean the rPi
[1:01] <Ticho> or to tighten
[1:01] <strigel> *may melt the face off a small number of operatives
[1:01] <hamitron> bnmorgan, sure they do, takes effort to screw every penny out of me ;)
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> I mean in general
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[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> If I was building some top secret government computer that's beyond its years.
[1:02] <bnmorgan> yeah, i think they spend most of their money adminsitering the department of stealing money
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'd put in a self destruct so they couldn't remove me from the project
[1:02] <Ticho> GabrialDestruir: they would just go to a different contractor who would do the same work for more money and no catch :>
[1:03] <Ticho> probably someone's nephew
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[1:03] <GabrialDestruir> Except, that I wouldn't tell them the catch is there until such a date that they went to remove me from the project.
[1:03] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[1:03] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: even easier, they'd torture you until you remove that feature
[1:03] <bnmorgan> Gabrial, saw someone do that with a MUD codebase....he hardcoded himself in, and hard coded cheats for himself, hard coded automatic re-promotion in case he was fried, hard coded auto-unban....it was insane.
[1:04] <bnmorgan> and hard coded an auto-gut thing that just ravaged the code like a select-box delete thing
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'd only have to last 2 or 3 days
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> at which point the computer would self destruct
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> and it wouldn't matter anymore
[1:04] <Ticho> bnmorgan: i've seen MUD codebase which had to have obfuscated code in it to prove that whose work it was, because it was so good that it was being stolen and passed off as someone else's every now and then
[1:05] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: if you last more than 30 min (which is very unlikely), they can simply take you to the system and ask you to input the code, with a machine gun to your head
[1:05] <Ticho> and if you're lucky, with a lady under the table
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[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> So then I die and they lose the work anyways o.O
[1:06] <bnmorgan> "shoot me and your government ceases to exist, and i email all of your wives your mistress' names"
[1:06] <aditsu> Ticho: haha, swordfish?
[1:06] <Ticho> yep :>
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> Exactly, bnmorgan
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[1:06] <bnmorgan> "and i email your children their real fathers' names"
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> I mean... that's the one thing about that type of thing...
[1:07] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: question is, are you willing to die (in long horrible pain) for that?
[1:07] <bnmorgan> mg to the head isn't long, and i wouldn't imagine very horibl
[1:07] <aditsu> I'm talking after long torture
[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> They can't kill someone who basically has a deadman's switch, otherwise it's self assured destruction.
[1:07] <Ticho> i wouldn't work for such goverment in the first place
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> Just hardcode two passwords... simple enough
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> First one stops it from self destructing
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> second one forces it to
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> either way they'll kill you in the end if they're going so far to torture you
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[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> because it can't get out that they tortured a civilian
[1:09] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: if the system has the power to destroy everything, you can be sure you can't just "secretly" slip in such a backdoor
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[1:09] <bnmorgan> one pw resets the timer, second starts the timer for a small thermite flare.
[1:09] <aditsu> it doesn't have to ever get out (and neither do you)
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[1:10] <aditsu> Ticho: you wouldn't work for the US government?
[1:10] <GabrialDestruir> If I can go so far as to put in a self destruct, which requires a code to stop it. It's not such a far leap of imagination that it'd be possible to add a second code which would force it.
[1:10] <Ticho> aditsu: tbh, i wouldn't set foot on US soil
[1:10] <aditsu> haha
[1:11] <bnmorgan> i remember the thermite overrun charges in the base datacenter
[1:11] <bnmorgan> always wanted to see them go off.
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[1:11] <aditsu> coincidently, I'm preparing to apply for an H-1B
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[1:12] <bnmorgan> as long as i wasn't stuck in the room with them.
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[1:13] <aditsu> or you could have a switch to release a horde of termites
[1:14] <bnmorgan> termites?
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[1:15] <aditsu> yes. the insects
[1:15] <bnmorgan> couldn't imagien they'd be hard on a computer
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_BLggf-mqs - why off switches are important. (offtopic)
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> Anyways the chances of me making a next generation system is probably nil, but if I did I'd want protection so the government wouldn't do to me what the english did to Alan Turing,
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
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[1:15] <SpeedEvil> Prosecute you for hanging out in toilets?
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[1:16] <aditsu> bnmorgan: I was thinking of people, but apparently they're not dangerous :/
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> Convict you for bogus reasons and then strip you of everything.
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> There seems little doubt that he was in fact homosexual, therefore the reasons were not bogus at the time, as that was against the law.
[1:18] <aditsu> GabrialDestruir: and many years later still refuse to pardon you - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/06/turing_pardon_call_rejected/
[1:20] <GabrialDestruir> It's a bogus reason, even if at the time it was against law. More so since he was actually working for the government during the war as a code breaker.
[1:20] <GabrialDestruir> Well was before anyways.
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[1:21] <aditsu> it was a bogus law
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
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[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> This guy isn't very good at fishing...
[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> or boating....
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[1:24] <SpeedEvil> He is good at falling into water in an amusing manner.
[1:24] <Tachyon`> GabrialDestruir, Gordon Brown did apologise for that
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[1:24] <Tachyon`> more than 50 years late
[1:24] <Tachyon`> but better late than never
[1:26] <aditsu> oh wow, his lover helped an accomplice to break into his house.. sounds similar to the "as good as it gets" script
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[1:34] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Blackmail of that sort was not uncommon.
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: One of the nastiest parts about the law was that it was damn near a blackmailers charter.
[1:35] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: what blackmail?
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[1:40] <Flea86> o/
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> but that was the point at the time, make it difficult for men to be openly homosexual
[1:45] <ReggieUK> a bit like single mothers
[1:46] <ReggieUK> ostracised
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[1:46] <ReggieUK> and of course add anti abortion laws to it and you have similar situations (except for the blackmail part)
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: You go up to someone, and say that unless they pay you money, you will go to the police, and say they propositioned you.
[1:47] <ReggieUK> and of course it's a bogus law, which is why it isn't outlawed any more
[1:47] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: where did you see that in Turing's case?
[1:48] <ReggieUK> no more bogus than burning witches imho
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[1:49] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: I diddn't say specifically in the case of turing.
[1:49] <ReggieUK> aditsu, I suspect that they thought he wouldn't go to the police because it would implicate him (which it did)
[1:50] <ReggieUK> like you'd probably have gotten away with 'gay bashing' at the time for similar reasons
[1:50] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alan_Turing_Building_1.jpg
[1:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - wow, that's ugly.
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[1:50] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: oh ok, well, that can still be done nowadays, with sexual harassment; it's all about evidence though
[1:51] <ReggieUK> why did you beat him senseless? Because he tried to touch my winky. Oh that's ok then.... you can just imagine the court transcript
[1:51] <hamitron> can't the gay talk be reduced? ;/
[1:52] <aditsu> it's a g.. I mean fine day today :D
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[1:54] <aditsu> some brits once tought me (and other students) an old dance, the name was something about Gordons :p
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[1:55] <aditsu> it was fun
[1:57] <ReggieUK> it's only gay talk if you've got wood
[1:57] <ReggieUK> otherwise its a discussion of history
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> I have about 4 tons of wood.
[1:58] <ReggieUK> and big pants
[1:58] <hamitron> not suitable content for minors imho
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.breathingearth.net/
[1:58] <ReggieUK> now if you'd said that the first place instead of being ambiguous :D
[1:58] <ReggieUK> that in the*
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[2:58] <Kyzz> quiet in here
[2:59] <mkopack> everyone must be asleep
[2:59] <Kyzz> it's still early in the US
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[2:59] <Syliss> lol
[3:00] <mkopack> Yeah, well, Super Tuesday
[3:01] <mkopack> Lots of political coverage
[3:01] <Syliss> i hate it
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[3:06] <ReggieUK> politics is pretty tragic really
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[3:07] <ReggieUK> we all suffer or prosper because of it but not enough of us really care enough to make a difference
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[3:07] <Kyzz> Terrible neverending cycle it seems....
[3:07] <Kyzz> I know many people who voted for Rick Santorum today o.O
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[3:13] <mkopack> BRB...
[3:13] <mkopack> exit
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[3:17] <Da|Mummy> santorum? really? sigh
[3:18] <shirro> Does US politics look as crazy to people inside the asylum as it does to people on the outside?
[3:18] <Da|Mummy> worse
[3:19] <Kyzz> Worse imo because of the fact that people don't see the difference between Rick Santorum and Obama
[3:19] <shirro> How does it feel to share a country with 300million crazy people?
[3:20] <shirro> Is it because people don't have a choice or do they actually want people like Santorum?
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[3:21] * ewan moved to the stats in 07
[3:21] <ewan> politics here is crazy
[3:22] <ewan> *states
[3:22] <Da|Mummy> better hope young people go out to vote when it matters, and actually get ron paul to run
[3:22] <Kyzz> They ACTUALLY want Santorum...
[3:22] <Kyzz> They believe he is a smart person but a bad speaker , but Omaba is the opposite...
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[3:23] <shirro> But Ron Paul is just another side of crazy. None of these guys would get elected in Canada, UK, Australia and our politicians are bad enough.
[3:24] <Da|Mummy> ron paul is the only one who even stands a chance against obama
[3:25] <Kyzz> See but hte people votiing for Ron Paul (I don't know enough about him to talk about him) are the pot heads I know
[3:26] <Kyzz> all I hear is "Yo man Ron Paul 2012 he will legalize drugs and keep the government away from us"
[3:26] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Ron Paul is a lunatic. We can see that from the inside.
[3:26] <Da|Mummy> an honest lunatic at least
[3:26] <UnaClocker> Yup.
[3:26] <Da|Mummy> RON PAUL 2012!!!!
[3:27] <UnaClocker> He's not lying about how he plans to destroy the country, unlike the others.
[3:27] <shirro> Da|Mummy, yeah, he seems more likable than some of the alternatives but policy wise the US is going down the shitter with all of them.
[3:27] <Da|Mummy> because the others havent destroyed it yet
[3:29] <ReggieUK> money talks
[3:29] <ReggieUK> alongside bullS
[3:29] <UnaClocker> Funny thing about Paul is how old he is. He's way older than the too old McCain, yet he looks like he could kick McCain's ass.
[3:30] <Syliss> its cause he is a doctor
[3:30] <Da|Mummy> and a fuckin badass
[3:30] <Syliss> lol
[3:30] <Da|Mummy> RON PAUL 2012!!!!
[3:30] <Syliss> he won't legalize anything
[3:30] <shirro> The sad thing is with the US is the defacto world government. It is starting to get really uncomfortable if you live in another Western-style democracy having your old mates turn into a bunch of clowns.
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[3:32] <shirro> ACTA, domain seizures, extraditions, stupid war on drugs and all that shit. It is all getting really tired. Can't you have another revolution?
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> It doesn't matter.... all the republicans have a cumlitave IQ of about 10.6
[3:32] <elmo40> from a Canadian perspective, it would be an interesting term if Paul won. What I like from what he said was how he was going to 'end the fed'. wish it were true!
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> So no one is actually going to vote for them.
[3:33] <elmo40> or at all possible ;)
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[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> What would be nice is someone who could fix the damn economic crisis...
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[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> Not someone who thinks that by the end of his second term we should have a permanent moon base -.-
[3:35] <Kyzz> Vermin Supreme I would vote for in a heartbeat
[3:35] <shirro> Dig up stuff and sell it to China. Their the next world empire. Why fight it?
[3:36] <Kyzz> check this man out....he's like Dumbledore
[3:36] <Kyzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE&feature=related
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[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> I think Obama will get a second term because with the current republican canidates, we can't do much better than him....
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[3:37] <ewan> I think Obama will get a second term as he's the least-insane candidate
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> That too
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> Pretty sure that's the reason McCain didn't get office....
[3:39] <Kyzz> "free ponies for all Americans"
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> Cut out penies and nickels!
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> That'll save money
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> pennies*
[3:41] <elmo40> speaking of pennies... why won't the bank accept MY coin as legal tender? I promise to warrant the face value. The country sure as hell doesn't, with its currency on the exchange a penny today may not be a penny tmrw! ;)
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[3:42] <ReggieUK> lol, he's kind of like the monster raving looney party over here
[3:42] <ReggieUK> a joke candidate
[3:43] <shirro> So is anyone talking about moving the US forward. Like actually being progressive and fixing stuff or is it still all flag waving and God?
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> I'd laugh if a joke canidate got elected xD
[3:43] <ewan> if Santorum gets elected I'm out the door, probably to Switzerland or somewhere
[3:43] * SpeedEvil points at the terminator.
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> if Santorum gets elected, there's no country in which Santorum won't get to you....
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[3:45] <heyandy889> Gotta love Raspberry
[3:46] <ReggieUK> as long as raspberry isn't trying to be president, it gets my vote
[3:46] <elmo40> you wanna see the wako parties in Canada? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011#Results
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Dude....
[3:47] <elmo40> we even have a communist party, and they received 3000 votes!
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> APi for president!
[3:47] <elmo40> it makes me laugh :-P
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[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> -blink blink-
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> You have a Marxist Party
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> and a Communist party?
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[3:48] <heyandy889> And their flag is red
[3:48] <heyandy889> [=*=]
[3:49] <heyandy889> That is a maple leaf
[3:49] <shirro> Was just considering that the golden age of British computing with the Sinclairs and Acorns happened under Thatcher.
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[3:49] <heyandy889> Acorn = 80s?
[3:49] <heyandy889> before my epoch
[3:50] <heyandy889> shirro: ^
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> The Pirate Party >.>
[3:50] <elmo40> not like politics made the computer...
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> I'd vote for them!
[3:50] <elmo40> ya, pirate party :-P
[3:50] <heyandy889> PParty won a few seats in Germany
[3:50] <heyandy889> in the fall, I think
[3:50] <elmo40> marijuana party ;)
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> I think we should all focus on getting the Pirate parties into offices
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> World wide!
[3:51] <heyandy889> I'm down
[3:51] <heyandy889> There are quite a few Twitter accounts
[3:51] <Kyzz> Maryjuana is cool but choosing a political party strictly based off of the legalization of it is absurd
[3:51] <heyandy889> from pparties
[3:51] <heyandy889> Kyzz: in your opinion :-P
[3:52] <heyandy889> btw does colon : talking work in here?
[3:52] <Kyzz> Lol well yeah it's my opinion but it makes sense doesn't it?
[3:52] <ReggieUK> heyandy889, yeah, there are plenty of people that talk from their colon, feel free to add to their number :D
[3:53] <heyandy889> highlight on name only
[3:53] <heyandy889> no colon
[3:53] <heyandy889> good to know ReggieUK
[3:53] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what would happen to the world if a communist part got the majority votes, etc
[3:53] <GabrialDestruir> for like the US
[3:53] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[3:54] <heyandy889> Well, I kind of turn to the Soviet Bloc as a model
[3:54] <heyandy889> ie Ukraine, Eastern Germany
[3:54] <heyandy889> super pared-down architecture
[3:54] <heyandy889> just the facts, ma'am
[3:55] <heyandy889> to be fair, that was techinically socialist
[3:55] <heyandy889> there was still a ruling group
[3:55] <elmo40> that is what they have now!
[3:55] <elmo40> a bunch of free spending socialists...
[3:55] <elmo40> anyways. back on subject ;)
[3:55] <heyandy889> elmo40: don't hold back, bud!
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, not really the same :p
[3:55] <heyandy889> tell us how you feel!
[3:55] <heyandy889> ;-)
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[3:56] <elmo40> anyone have cases for the RPi, or any specs that I can use to make a case that holds 4 AA?
[3:56] <heyandy889> anyway, on the topic of politics . . .
[3:56] <shirro> practically the whole world is socialist to some extent. That is how we stop the hungry people murdering us at night. The Us should try it sometime.
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> I suspect if a communist part got the majority overall somehow, president, congress, senate.... the US would rebel
[3:56] <heyandy889> does anyone know why RPi chose Broadcom?
[3:56] <Kyzz> I'm down with socialism...I'm from the US
[3:56] <elmo40> price
[3:56] <heyandy889> we have a free (as in freedom) OS with GNU.Linux
[3:56] <shirro> heyandy889: they have the best cocaine and dungeons
[3:56] <ReggieUK> because a lot of the foundation work for them in their day jobs
[3:57] <heyandy889> shirro: lmao
[3:57] <Kyzz> heyandy: I think the owner of the foundation works for them
[3:57] <heyandy889> oh wow
[3:57] <heyandy889> I was just reading the FAQ
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[3:57] <heyandy889> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[3:58] <Ben64> elmo40: i don't think 4 AAs would last it very long
[3:58] <elmo40> so, it says there are low-level IO pins http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[3:58] <elmo40> Ben64: no? I haven't looked at the mAh consumption, yet
[3:58] <heyandy889> and was kinda bummed that full dataheets weren't available
[3:59] <Ben64> elmo40: well the B takes 3.5W
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> 4AA willl last ~3-5 hours.
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> Depending on stuff.
[3:59] <elmo40> k
[3:59] <Ben64> more like 30-50 mins :|
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: you're doing the sums wrong.
[3:59] <Ben64> nope
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[3:59] <Ben64> nope.
[3:59] <shirro> The GPU might power stuff down fairly aggressively if it isn't doing anything. Will need to try it.
[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> We're going to have this arguement AGAIN?
[3:59] <elmo40> this is a sweet case design! http://elinux.org/File:Raspberry-Pi-case_05d.jpg
[4:00] <heyandy889> elmo40: pretty
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> 1.2V*2.4Ah*4 = 13.8Wh. = ~4 hours.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> You will of course need a step-up/step-down regulator as you can't safely run it at battery voltage.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> The LDO at the front has a maximum recommended input of 5.5V
[4:01] <Ben64> how do you get 13.8
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> 1.2V*2.4Ah = 2.88Wh. *4
[4:02] <Ben64> 11.52
[4:02] <victhor> I didn't know you could safely run devices like this from alkalines.
[4:02] <victhor> unless the "AAs" are NiMHs
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> Ah - typo
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> victhor: even then - not
[4:02] <Ben64> anyway, the batteries become increasingly inefficient the higher power draw there is
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[4:03] <Ben64> plus converting from 2.4V to 5V is not close to 100% efficient
[4:03] <victhor> NiMHs are supposed to handle a good load... not the cheapo ones though
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> But not at the C/3 rate for NiMH
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[4:03] <bnmorgan> try nizn
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: No, 95%+ is not hard though.
[4:03] <Ben64> would probably end up around 80%
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: 90%+ is quite easy
[4:03] <Ben64> which is why i wanted to run 8 nimhs
[4:03] <elmo40> then maybe I will make a car media centre with it :)
[4:04] <elmo40> just gotta get that touch screen to work
[4:04] <victhor> that would be interesting, because I also plan to run mine on 8 NiMHs
[4:04] <Ben64> 1.2*4 = 4.8
[4:04] <heyandy889> anyone mind if I quote my Q about Broadcom and available datasheets?
[4:04] <heyandy889> wanna start discussion on reddit
[4:04] <victhor> rather strange arrangement of 4S2P.
[4:04] <Ben64> then add 4 more in parallel
[4:04] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: Doesn't work that way.
[4:04] <Ben64> it does work that way
[4:04] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It varies from 4V to 6.2V dependant on charge state.
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'm just going to use one of these http://www.bestbuy.com/site/CyberPower+-+425VA+SL-Series+Battery+Back-Up+System/6201585.p?id=1069297060711&skuId=6201585&st=UPS&cp=1&lp=9
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[4:05] <heyandy889> hearing no objection, the motion carries
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: That risks both not working at the low end, and smoking stuff at the high end. You're over the absolute maximum of the input regulator.
[4:05] <heyandy889> OK, peace friends
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[4:05] <victhor> it stays mostly at 4.8V, but it will stay over 5.5V for quite a while
[4:05] <Ben64> I'm putting a regulator in front
[4:05] <bnmorgan> nizn is 1.6v per cell
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: 8 cells in series, followed by a step-down would be nice and simple.
[4:06] <Ben64> will even it out at 5v
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: That's annoying, as you need a step-up/step-down converter which generally adds cost.
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> And hurts efficiency.
[4:06] <Ben64> they aren't going to be over 5v
[4:07] <victhor> last time I went after 8 cell charger ICs, turns out its simpler to use 4S 2P configuration.
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: yes, they are.
[4:07] <victhor> maybe because I can reuse the buck/boost regulator required on another project.
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: If you are charging them normally.
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> Just go with a traditional UPS and forget about the rest xD
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[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> Might want to disable the audible alarm though
[4:08] <victhor> the one I use is rated up to "97% efficiency"... I don't know in what conditions. I believe they used a 10 H inductor made out of unobtanium...
[4:09] <Ben64> fine, then 9 batteries
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> unobtanium.... for some reason that sounds like it's going to go boom
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> http://shdesigns.org/batts/battcyc.html - first link I happen to find of discharge curves of 4 cells - note the intial voltage.
[4:10] <Ben64> 3*1.2-1.4 = 3.6-4.2v
[4:10] <SpeedEvil> victhor: In general you need to read the datasheet carefully. They will spec it, but it's generally at the most advantageous operating point.
[4:10] <Ben64> then triple the current
[4:10] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: step-ups are pretty trivial.
[4:11] <victhor> my battery holders are 4 series cells ones... that's why I want to build 2 packs of those in parallel
[4:11] <victhor> that's all I have. I don't think that's ideal
[4:11] <Ben64> 2.4*1.2*9=25.92*0.8/3.5=~6hrs of ??
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> 8 series cells and a step-down will work well.
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> However.
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> You need to arrange a cut-off at ~8V or so, or you risk reverse charging cells.
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> Are these new cells?
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[4:16] <blockeduser> what's the endianness of the raspberry pi?
[4:17] <victhor> little endian.
[4:17] <blockeduser> thanks for quick response :)
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[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering when science will shift from mechanical mimicing human/animal limbs
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> to something more human/animal like
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> What?
[4:18] <GabrialDestruir> Well most robots these days only mimick the basic human limbs or animal limbs, going more for function than look....
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir> With a few notable exceptions I wonder when we'll shift more to looking right and functioning right from just mimicking
[4:19] <piofcube> yeah mean like electro reactive fibres instead of pnumatics and gears?
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> It's not a useful question in some ways.
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> We don't have the technology to mimic.
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> At anything close to normal functional levels.
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> We can't even really do gross function with motors.
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[4:26] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... apparently the US Government turned an Anon member to take out lulzsec
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[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> and other anon member type people
[4:28] <victhor> they did it for the lulz
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[4:29] <mkopack> back...
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[4:29] <mkopack> Anyone else around?
[4:29] <mkopack> or we all sleeping?
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> ZzZz
[4:31] <mkopack> hehe??? well, I decided to pull out the old SheevaPlug and give it another go
[4:34] <GabrialDestruir> Werent sheevaplug and the pcplug or whatever suppose to be really cheap?
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[4:35] <mkopack> Well, I got this back when they first came out a couple years ago??? paid $99 for it??? You can get the pogo plug which is a bit lower specs for like $30 now
[4:36] <mkopack> It's really not all that much bigger than the RPi is...
[4:36] <mkopack> Ethernet, 512MB RAM, 512MB Flash storage onboard??? SD card slot, Ethernet, 1 USB.. 5W 1.2 ghz Marvell Arm5 processor
[4:36] <SpeedEvil> Plus - PSU
[4:36] <mkopack> No video though
[4:37] <mkopack> yeah, it's just a big wall wart
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[4:37] <GabrialDestruir> I could of sworn way back when that the pogo plug was suppose to be like the 20 dollar computer
[4:38] <mkopack> yeah it is.. you can find them for that if you look around
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[4:46] <courpse> <3
[4:47] <courpse> Any way of getting fibre optics onto the raspberry pi?
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> USB adapter....
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> meaning you'll be bottle necking your fibre
[4:47] <courpse> Would that still send 5.1?
[4:47] <courpse> Yeah, :/
[4:48] <ReggieUK> analog input and a toslink connector?
[4:48] <mkopack> ok, so apparently my sheevaplug HATES my 4GB SD card...
[4:48] <ReggieUK> wait, what do you want the fibre optic connection to do?
[4:48] <courpse> Send audio to home theater?
[4:49] <courpse> -?+.
[4:49] <ReggieUK> ahh
[4:49] <ReggieUK> you said onto :D
[4:49] <courpse> Sorry, lol, yeah.
[4:49] <rm> http://www.buyincoins.com/usb-6-channel-5-1-external-optical-audio-sound-card-spdif-product-68.html
[4:49] <courpse> home theater is less than good, only has hdmi out, optical in.
[4:50] <rm> http://www.buyincoins.com/usb-2-0-6-channel-7-1-external-audio-sound-card-s-pdif-product-724.html
[4:50] <courpse> Yeah, i never thought of USB.
[4:50] <courpse> USB sound cards are bigger than the raspberry pi.
[4:50] <courpse> But still, a great power saver.
[4:51] <courpse> Will the raspberry pi handle a USB soundcard + USB IR receiver when its input is only 1 micro USB?
[4:51] <GabrialDestruir> Use a powered USB hub
[4:52] <courpse> My thoughts too.
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Get like a 7 port hub
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> 1 port to charge the Pi
[4:52] <mkopack> courpse: you do realize there's 2 USB ports on it
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> 6 ports for extra
[4:52] <courpse> mkopack, I do.
[4:52] <mkopack> the power is on it's own micro USB
[4:52] <mkopack> you mean in terms of power? Use a powered hub
[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> The hub could power the Pi and the additional things you want to power.
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[4:55] * courpse nods.
[4:56] <DataSpree> how much current can model B's 2 USB A sockets provide?
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> I'd assume 5V each.... but that means your Pi power source would have to be at least 1.5A
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> or something
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[4:56] <mkopack> There's a limit to how much current the RPi will pull off it's microUSB port
[4:57] <bnmorgan> wow. downloading ubuntu, never seen my download speed go this high before
[4:57] <DataSpree> nod im assuming so which is why im curious
[4:57] <DataSpree> bnmorgan: how high?
[4:57] <mkopack> I believe it has a fuse for 1.5A IIRC
[4:57] <bnmorgan> ~1.3mb
[4:57] <mkopack> It's not much
[4:57] <bnmorgan> MB/s, usually see 5-600k
[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> I'd assume that it could power both ports fully, but all things considered I'd just go with a powered hub and not worry.
[4:59] <mkopack> yeah, I need to find a power adaptor for my hub. It has the jack, just didn't come with the adaptor
[5:02] <mkopack> or maybe I'll just go buy a new one that is powered...
[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> Buy a new dedicated one?
[5:03] <mkopack> yeah a new one??? they aren't that expensive
[5:04] <mkopack> Not even sure I'll need one??? Except if I try to hook up a Kinect to it
[5:04] <mkopack> That sucker is a power sucker!
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> Sure you will.... you can use it to power all kinds of things XD
[5:04] <mkopack> I'll need another SD card for the 2nd unit anyhow
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[5:05] <mkopack> for KB+mouse+webcam I doubt I'd need a powered hub. Those don't use much juice
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[5:08] <Tachyon`> hrm, is the pi in the name really a python reference?
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[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> I bought three new SD cards..
[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> and don't remember why
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[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> Well MicroSDs but still
[5:12] <rm> Tachyon`, no and it never was afaik
[5:12] <rm> where do you get that?
[5:12] <Tachyon`> it was in the BBC quiz of the weeks news
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[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi in Raspberry Pi
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[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> is a Pi reference
[5:12] <Tachyon`> I assumed it referred to the number Pi
[5:12] <Tachyon`> but the quiz said I was wrong and it was a reference to python
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> What quiz? o.O
[5:13] <Tachyon`> which seemed odd as it can run any number of languages...
[5:13] <Tachyon`> one sec
[5:13] <Tachyon`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17234472
[5:13] <Tachyon`> that one
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[5:13] <bnmorgan> going to need help with ideas on what exactly to use this thing for when/if it ever arrives?
[5:13] <mkopack> Be funny if the first units arrived in people's hands on 3/14
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> there's your problem.
[5:13] <Tachyon`> second question
[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> BBC knows NOTHING about Pi
[5:14] <bnmorgan> they only know scones
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[5:14] <Tachyon`> coming from someone in the country that gave us Fox News that's pretty rick
[5:14] <Tachyon`> rich*
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> What we wanted to build was something that could run the Python programming language, and so ???Pi??? was kind of a pun.
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> So the name stuck and it outlived the justification for the name.
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[5:18] <Tachyon`> Fox probably think pi is equal to 4, none of those communist decimal points for them o.0;
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed...
[5:18] <bnmorgan> ......very helpful tachyon.
[5:19] <ReggieUK> fox thinks pi is a communist plot
[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> Fox spreads only lies.
[5:19] <oldtopman> ^this
[5:19] <ReggieUK> fox is owned by rupert murdoch
[5:20] <Tachyon`> is it?>
[5:20] <ReggieUK> scumbag
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[5:20] <Tachyon`> I might have known
[5:20] <ReggieUK> yup
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> Fox has Animation Domination >.>
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> So that's it's only redeeming quality
[5:20] <ReggieUK> murdochs empire is absolutely huge
[5:21] <ReggieUK> just crazy the amount of newspapers and other media outlets that news corp owns
[5:21] <Tachyon`> the sun on sunday, I predicted that when news of the world was closed
[5:21] <Tachyon`> given they registered thesunonsunday.co.uk immediately
[5:21] <ReggieUK> everyone did Tachyon`
[5:21] <ReggieUK> I can't beleive he's been allowed to do it
[5:22] <Tachyon`> well, freedom of the press and all that
[5:22] <ReggieUK> it's basically a big FU to the UK
[5:22] <ReggieUK> balls
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[5:22] <ReggieUK> half of his staff are still under investigation and getting arrested daily
[5:22] <ReggieUK> cynical? much?
[5:22] <bnmorgan> well, wouldn't limiting capitalism like that be communist to stop him?
[5:22] <Tachyon`> you have a free press or you don't, you can't just have it when it's convenient, it doesn't work that way, lol
[5:23] <Tachyon`> much as I think he's a scumbag I don't think I'd like government interference there
[5:23] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, there's such a thing as fit and proper people
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[5:23] <ReggieUK> freedom of the press has well and truly overstepped the mark in this country
[5:24] <ReggieUK> if it was actually a free press
[5:24] <Tachyon`> speaking of scumbags, it seems the leader of lulzsec (sabu) decided to sell out all his mates to get a bit of time off his sentence, heh
[5:24] <ReggieUK> instead of being a platform for a rich owner to spout their views through one person or another
[5:25] * Tachyon` points ReggieUK at both indymedia and schnews
[5:25] <Tachyon`> it's free enough either way
[5:25] <bnmorgan> free press means free press, not true press,
[5:25] <bnmorgan> they're free to lie just like the govt
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[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna go read, because my internet is being suckish and I've got more upload speed than download speed!
[5:26] <ReggieUK> has assange been shipped out yet?
[5:26] <Tachyon`> grr
[5:26] <hotwings> im sure you can count on one hand how many scene people value their e-rep more than jail time
[5:26] <ReggieUK> to face the rape charges
[5:26] <hotwings> upload? whats that :)
[5:27] <Tachyon`> they're not rape charges
[5:27] <Tachyon`> and no
[5:27] <ReggieUK> what are the charges?
[5:27] <Tachyon`> they're a sort of charge we don't have in this country
[5:27] <ReggieUK> I wish they'd hurry up and get rid
[5:27] <Tachyon`> he's not actualyl charged with rape, he is charged with some sort of sex crime
[5:27] <Tachyon`> although given one of the women was bragging on twitter about sleeping with him
[5:27] <Tachyon`> then deleted all the tweets before these politically motivated charges surfaced
[5:28] <Tachyon`> it's clearly a load of bollocks
[5:28] <hotwings> assange is charged with giving people info that should be publicly available anyways
[5:28] <ReggieUK> are you serious?
[5:28] <Tachyon`> me?
[5:28] <ReggieUK> no hotwings
[5:28] <Tachyon`> you don't think the cables should have been released?
[5:28] <ReggieUK> no i don't at all
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> Assange is charged with leaking government classified information isn't he?
[5:28] <Tachyon`> I do, it's about time everyone got to know what the people supposedly working for us are actually doing
[5:29] <Tachyon`> that's bradley manning
[5:29] <ReggieUK> just because you think someone is a w*nker you don't have to tell them
[5:29] <ReggieUK> and that's effectively assanges take on it
[5:29] <ReggieUK> people need to know what other people think of them
[5:29] <ReggieUK> well they don't
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[5:30] <ReggieUK> we all act in pretty much the same way, we don't for instance declare that we think someone is a pratt online even if we think they are
[5:30] <ReggieUK> just as we don't do it with the people we meet
[5:30] <ReggieUK> no matter how much of a cock you think people are
[5:30] <ReggieUK> you generally don't tell them
[5:30] <passstab> ReggieUK is a pratt
[5:30] <bnmorgan> i generally do.
[5:30] <passstab> whatever that is
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> Actually....
[5:30] <bnmorgan> it's one of societies problems
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> I know plenty of people online who have no issues to call someone a pratt online....
[5:31] <ReggieUK> not really, it's how we don't end up killing each other constantly
[5:31] <bnmorgan> we're all too worried about other people's opinions of ourselves, and other peoples petty little feelings of self importance.
[5:31] <ReggieUK> because some people will be disproportionate in their responses
[5:31] <passstab> it's the anonymity thats the problem
[5:31] <GabrialDestruir> In fact I'd think it more likely that you'll get called a pratt online, than someone would say it to your face.
[5:31] <bnmorgan> yes, because they don't know how to handle truth and honesty, so they freak the f_ out
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[5:31] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, true but it's still not a constant thing
[5:32] <ReggieUK> bnmorgan, which is entirely why the cables shouldn't have been released
[5:32] <bnmorgan> not sure what cables you're talking about
[5:32] <bnmorgan> but it's irrelevant
[5:33] <bnmorgan> if everyone wasn't so self-haughty, and people weren't afraid to be honest for fear of damaging someone else's fragile little glass psyche, we'd all be able to function much more smoothly.
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[5:34] <GabrialDestruir> The problem is, the more honest you are in today's society....
[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> the more of a chance there is some faceless authority might lock you up....
[5:35] <mkopack> Argh, this GD Sheevaplug is pissing me off!
[5:35] <bnmorgan> the more likely you are to be declared a lunatic or enemy of the state
[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> That too
[5:35] <hotwings> ReggieUK - i happen to think citizens should be aware of what kinds of deals our elected officials are making, on our behalf
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[5:35] <hotwings> its ridiculous how everything is politically "correct" and treated with kid gloves
[5:36] <bnmorgan> everyone is too afraid to call a spade a spade.
[5:36] <ReggieUK> oh sure, I don't like the politically correct bs
[5:36] <ReggieUK> but the problem is entirely the disproportionate response
[5:36] <ReggieUK> some people respond well to criticism
[5:36] <ReggieUK> some people will launch a missile at you
[5:36] <bnmorgan> because we've taught people it's ok to go all ape$#!+ when someone says something that offends them.
[5:37] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[5:37] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[5:37] <ReggieUK> indeed
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> I think there's a difference between "politically correct" and "politcally covering up"
[5:37] <bnmorgan> i think daq is telling us to stfu with non-pi
[5:37] <hotwings> some people piss their panties, cry, whine, and have a serious case of butthurt
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> politically correct I'd think is more homosexual instead of fag or something, as opposed to politically covering up....
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> which is like just out right lying to not express your opinions
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> or to hide something, etc.
[5:39] <ReggieUK> on that note, I'm off to bed :)
[5:39] <ReggieUK> happy dicussions everyone o/
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[5:41] <mkopack> ok, I give up on this damn plug for tonight.
[5:41] <mkopack> This thing is beyond annoyingly frustrating??? Give me RPi!
[5:41] <hotwings> you want to hear something really pathetic? our congress has an historically low approval rating right now... and most of congress will be re-elected because everyone thinks the problem is the other guys congress representative
[5:42] <mkopack> hto: Yeah, when the reality is they're ALL bad and out to help themselves
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[5:44] <mkopack> oh well, bed time
[5:44] <mkopack> later guys
[5:44] <hotwings> shirro is back to cause trouble i see!
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[5:48] <unkle_george__> Ah ha. qemu image was too small: qemu-img resize +1G rootfs_debian6_rpi.ext4
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[5:51] <GabrialDestruir> I hope my stupidly ridiculous internet slow down means they'll be fixing the circuits around here soon
[5:51] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[5:59] <hotwings> rpi install image uses ext4?! :\
[6:00] <DaQatz> Sure, why not?
[6:01] <unkle_george__> The qemu-img resize gave me some ext4 mount erros, but worked. Then inside Qemu ... sudo resize2fs /dev/sda.
[6:02] <unkle_george__> Isn't ext4 on flash a little excesive
[6:02] <unkle_george__> I wonder if it's mounted noatime
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[6:04] <unkle_george__> No.. In the Debian image I have / is not mounted noatime... means every time a file is read the OS writes back to the disk
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[6:06] <unkle_george__> ... Building vlc for pi with --enable-omxil for OpenMax support... will it work...?
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[6:06] <hotwings> [20:59:58] <DaQatz> Sure, why not? <-- because its journaling
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[6:27] <des2> Rule #1 for flash file systems - turn off atime.
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[6:32] <duckDuckGoose> hola hola
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[6:33] <echo9> Hi all
[6:34] <echo9> I hav an idea of using Rpi
[6:35] <echo9> I want to develop a simple comm. Device
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[6:36] <echo9> Capable of skyp'ing + play some videos, check emails
[6:37] <echo9> Sort of an xbmc but includs skype though
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[6:38] <echo9> Anyone here. .?
[6:38] <echo9> Am i alone here. .?
[6:38] <DataSpree> What will you use for mic input?
[6:38] <Xark_> echo9: Sounds cool and doable on the RPi
[6:38] <echo9> Hey thx fellas
[6:39] <echo9> Mic? Can use a usb based mic
[6:39] <DataSpree> yes, i was just curious if you had a particular one in mind
[6:40] <echo9> But what i realy want 2 knw is tht whether it wil suport skype
[6:40] <Xark_> echo9: So when you say "device" you talking about software/hardware combo? Portable?
[6:40] <echo9> Um ok heres wht am thinking: i was buying a laptop for my parents but
[6:41] <Xark_> echo9: Not sure about RPi, but I believe skype is available for Linux ARM (a quick google seems to confirm this).
[6:41] <unkle_george__> Most webcams have a microphone on them
[6:41] <echo9> But nw as Rpi is here :) i can gift them a customized thingy
[6:42] <unkle_george__> Skype does not have an Arm version though, and they don't release their source
[6:43] <Xark_> unkle_george__: Hmm, is this incorrect: http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2009/June_2009/msg01686.html
[6:43] <echo9> A custom desktop wch has the capability of skyping, general email browsing, photograph browsing n the like
[6:43] * Xark_ thought Skype was on his N800...
[6:44] <unkle_george__> oh, Yeah. I'm looking at 'how to cross compile skype for arm'
[6:45] <echo9> Well am certainly nt looking for a portable sys but all i want is a cost effective solution
[6:45] <echo9> Hey
[6:46] <echo9> Tht would b cool!
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[6:47] <echo9> Um btw fellas.. If there hapens to b a "stable" release of puppy linux then i gues we'l be pretty much loking
[6:48] <echo9> *Lookin forward to havin skype
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[6:48] <Xark_> echo9: Puppy is reported to be working on an RPi "remix".
[6:49] <Syliss> I'm looking forward to puppy
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[6:49] <Syliss> right now its called pussy
[6:49] <Syliss> (i really is)
[6:49] <Syliss> it*
[6:50] <echo9> They wil also release a rpi specific ver.
[6:50] <echo9> Lol
[6:50] <echo9> :P
[6:51] <echo9> U guys won't believe but am irc'ing all the way while am stil in a metro
[6:51] <echo9> :p
[6:51] <echo9> Long live jmirc :p
[6:52] <Syliss> ?_?
[6:53] <echo9> @unkle_george hey can we port a s/w similar to pidgin? It supports google talk's protocol (jst forgot the name)
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[6:54] <des2> What metro ?
[6:54] <echo9> Am on IRC while am in a underground metro. . Train
[6:54] <des2> Which one ?
[6:54] <des2> (city)
[6:54] <echo9> Metro train. .!? :p
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[6:54] <echo9> Hang on
[6:55] <des2> You do know which city you're in, yes ? ;-)
[6:55] <echo9> Am from indi
[6:55] <echo9> India
[6:55] <echo9> In new delhi now
[6:55] <des2> ah. Thanks.
[6:55] <Syliss> thats cool
[6:56] <Syliss> i wish i lived in a metro
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[6:56] <des2> They're a little noisy
[6:56] <Syliss> my wife and i want to move to Seattle
[6:56] <echo9> Yep
[6:56] <des2> Like rain do you ?
[6:57] <Syliss> doesn't bother me
[6:57] <Syliss> i can't skateboard anymore so i don't care
[6:57] <echo9> Yeah kinda..the one we have here are actualy less noisy
[6:57] <Syliss> since i broke my leg, I'm not allowed to
[6:57] <Syliss> (leg is still healing)
[6:58] <echo9> Ouch :|
[6:58] <des2> Do you have hardware (pins) holding it together ?
[6:58] <Syliss> yep
[6:58] <Syliss> i have 2 plates and 5-8 screws
[6:58] <echo9> *big green grin*
[6:58] <Syliss> happened dec 27th
[6:58] <echo9> Oh srx it was meant to be posted abovd
[6:59] <echo9> Above*
[6:59] <Syliss> now ill have a 9-10" scar on my leg
[6:59] <echo9> Sry
[6:59] <Syliss> its okay, it happens
[6:59] <echo9> Btw what exactly happnd?
[6:59] <Syliss> i was skateboarding back to work on my lunch break and fell
[6:59] <Syliss> broke my tibia
[7:00] <echo9> Oh :|
[7:02] <echo9> So has anyone of you actualy got hold of the board?
[7:02] <Syliss> ?
[7:02] <Syliss> it hasn't shipped yet
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[7:04] <echo9> I heard/read tht RS/farnel shiftd its edod (expectd date of delivery) from initialy march to april?
[7:04] <echo9> I thought somebody here must've got hold of a beta board
[7:05] <Syliss> u mean alpha
[7:06] <echo9> I have'nt ordered mine now..am jst busy playing bf3 :d nowadays
[7:06] <echo9> Correction* alpha :D
[7:07] <echo9> Bf3==battlefield 3
[7:07] <echo9> & origin n its updates sucks as usual
[7:08] <echo9> Sry for getting of topic here
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[7:08] <echo9> *Couldn't resist*
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[7:11] <echo9> Anyways, thx for the tips/help fellas
[7:11] <echo9> Later
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[8:05] <pinnocio964> Hello guys! I have one question. Can I connect to the Raspberry Pi only LCD-display (not monitor with hdmi)?
[8:06] <pinnocio964> And make generated on a laptop)
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[8:10] <Guest63148> pinnocio964: you can probably get an hdmi to DVI adapter
[8:10] <Guest63148> and many monitors accept DVI and hdmi
[8:12] <pinnocio964> I just have a matrix of the laptop and thought it possible to connect
[8:12] <des2> pinnocio964 it's a raw LCD ?
[8:12] <des2> With no controller chip ?
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[8:14] <pinnocio964> with no controller chip I thin is impossibly
[8:14] <pinnocio964> *think
[8:15] <des2> Usually panels are Raw LCD + COntroller chip
[8:16] <des2> And come out to a several line connector
[8:16] <des2> You need to know what contriller chip the panel is using
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[8:17] <des2> To hook the panel up to a computer you need to supply whatever voltages the panel needs + you need to write software to interface to the panel controller
[8:18] <des2> Common controllers have soctware freely available.
[8:18] <des2> software
[8:19] <des2> The Pi has CSI and DSI connectors on the board for interfacing purposes.
[8:19] <pinnocio964> I understand, thank you :)
[8:20] <pinnocio964> Therefore need to look for a matrix with the controller and plug
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[8:21] <des2> If you don't need a big panel (you only need one like 3.2" the Arduino project has a lot of information and software for low cost small panels.
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[8:23] <des2> These panels are replacements used in cell phones.
[8:24] <pinnocio964> I think connect panel like 7" or disassemble my hp 2210 and use LCD from them.
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[8:24] <pinnocio964> and mini keayboard =)
[8:25] <pinnocio964> *keyboard
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[8:25] <des2> Isn't the HP2210 an LCD monitor ?
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[8:27] <pinnocio964> Just the idea to do something like this on this http://www.openpandora.org/
[8:27] <des2> With DVI input ?
[8:27] <des2> ah ok.
[8:28] <pinnocio964> No, Hp have Color TFT transflective display
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[8:33] <DaQatz> Someone get this guy an rpi http://www.flickr.com/photos/neimod/
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[8:37] <mdavey> Just a reminder that the raspberrypi.org site will be down for scheduled maintenance sometime today. Maintenance window shouldn't me more than a couple of hours. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/769
[8:37] <DaQatz> Thankee
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[8:39] <DaQatz> I wonder how hard it is to monitor memory on pop package...
[8:39] <DaQatz> a*
[8:41] <mjr> monitor?
[8:41] <DaQatz> Well that and dump
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[8:43] <mjr> ah, you mean externally
[8:44] <mjr> harder, certainly
[8:45] <pinnocio964> That is, it was an external memory for Nintendo DX? oO"
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[9:00] <DaQatz> pinnocio964, It's external memory for a nintendo 3ds
[9:01] <DaQatz> So he can do memory dumps and monitoring
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[9:13] <pinnocio964> It's amazing!)
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[9:19] <Lemon> your "shop" is dead
[9:19] <Lemon> I wish to give you money and you deny me
[9:19] <Mowee> Morning
[9:20] <Da|Mummy> rpis arent sold in their shop
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[9:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's not our shop anyway
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[9:28] <des2> raspberrypi.org is down for maintenance.
[9:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> working fine here
[9:28] <des2> If you want to buy a Pi here's the list of where: http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide#Ordering
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[9:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://raspberrypi.com/ <- the old shop will be back later this month
[9:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> but buy RPi's from rs or farnell / element14 - not off ebay
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[9:33] <des2> They're not even on ebay yet, very disappointing.
[9:33] <Da|Mummy> not because you wont be supporting the project and youll be getting your unit sooner, but because RPi's on ebay dont exist. but the sellers of rpi do
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[9:35] <jojo> that scale model of the pi is a good cheap alternative for people who want one just to put in the back of a drawer
[9:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> ??
[9:38] <jojo> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-PCB-Model-Plastic-Scale-Painted-/180835885214?pt=Art_Sculpture&hash=item2a1aa8a09e
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[9:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> lol
[9:39] <Henchman21> heh
[9:39] <des2> beardface makes them. He's in this channel often.
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[9:40] <Henchman21> great gag gift
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[9:43] <stuk_gen> cool
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[10:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> posting to the forums has stopped ?
[10:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> no - it has just logged me out
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[10:05] <ahven> morning
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[10:09] <des2> There's scheduled maintenance this morning
[10:10] <drazyl> forums being upgraded/replaced
[10:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I know - it had just loggewd me out when I tried to post
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[10:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh
[10:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> Raspberry Pi ??? @Raspberry_Pi Reply Retweet Favorite ?? Open
[10:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> Been going over the server logs - we shifted over a terabyte of data in the last week. And that doesn't even include the downloads page.
[10:21] <Da|Mummy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
[10:21] <drazyl> that's quite a lot
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[10:29] <Hourd> nice
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[10:36] <Mez> :( Shipment put back to May :(
[10:36] <rm> did you read raspberrypi.org?
[10:37] <rm> what does it have to say about that?
[10:37] <Mez> I know - I was just expressing my displeasure
[10:37] <Ben64> lol
[10:37] <rm> what do you know, that the "put back to May" is an error and nothing has been put back?
[10:37] <Ben64> obviously he skimmed the post
[10:38] * SpeedEvil destroys Tokyo.
[10:38] <Mez> rm: I also know that it's b/s
[10:38] * SpeedEvil was just expressing his displeasure.
[10:38] <Mez> rm: while they *may* deliver at original date they don't *have* to to be legal.
[10:39] <popey> Mez: farnell have explained that was an error
[10:39] <Mez> popey: yes yes... but we'll still see.
[10:39] <mowcius> We will indeed
[10:39] * mowcius is waiting patiently
[10:40] <Mez> Either way - they're still less insane than RS
[10:40] <mowcius> what's RS's stance at the moment?
[10:40] <Mez> dunno - but they were a little insane on launch day
[10:40] <jojo> "wait and see"
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[10:42] <Mez> I also seem to have lost the original delivery estimate :( so I've no idea when it's meant to be.
[10:42] <Mez> lol
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[10:44] <popey> mine is 16/4
[10:44] <[deXter]> the farnell nz site is such a ripoff. It's been saying that further stock will be available in 66 days - since launch day.
[10:44] <Mez> popey: I'd guess mine would be similar, if not after that.
[10:44] <Mez> Though - I did get a great tale from farnell's datacentre of the fun they had fixing some of the problems.
[10:45] <mowcius> I ordered on the evening of the release, I'm in the first backorder with my delivery expected end of April
[10:45] <mowcius> with popey presumably
[10:46] <Mez> mowcius: I ordered in the aftenoon of the release... so I'd make the presumption I am too
[10:46] <[deXter]> I think I'll just end up buying from eBay.
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[10:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ just check your email
[10:47] <mowcius> [deXter]: you'll have a long wait!
[10:47] <[deXter]> mowcius, I'd rather have a long wait than an infinite wait.
[10:47] <[deXter]> The farnell site is just a piece of lying garbage.
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[10:48] <mowcius> Well I've never really had any issues with them before
[10:48] <[deXter]> They could have said "We have no stock and we have no idea when we'll be getting further stock", instead of lying to the customers.
[10:48] <mowcius> so I trust their estimates
[10:48] <mowcius> since when did they lie?
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[10:48] <[deXter]> mowcius, As I said, since launch day, their site has been saying that further stock will be available in 66 days.
[10:49] <[deXter]> That's like just some random number.
[10:49] <[deXter]> I've been checking every day, and that number hasn't changed at all.
[10:49] <Da|Mummy> so while doing random things around my house, i found out i somehow have a element14(a farnell compary) pen in my house.....how did i get this pen?
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[10:50] <mowcius> yes but if you order then they give you a date
[10:51] <[deXter]> well that's a catch-22 for me.
[10:51] <[deXter]> I don't want to order if they're going to like deliver it next year.
[10:51] <[deXter]> When I can instead source it directly from the US or UK or whatever.
[10:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> well - farnell have said that all thier orders will go into building the buggers then they will be shipped out to people whereever in the world they are when they have built more in teh order off the list - after some time they will have stock and be able to sell as a buy now option
[10:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> rs have said very similar
[10:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you dont order then you'll have to wait
[10:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> coffee time
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[11:47] <mowcius> /quit
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[11:50] <Hourd> 2222/redraw
[11:51] <Davespice> nice video on the guardian uk site; http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand
[11:51] <Davespice> I wonder what glitches he refers to at the end?
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[12:00] <des2> Yeah I was wondering the same thing.
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[12:10] <Davespice> I would hazard a guess at the lack of accelerated X server?
[12:10] * Davespice shrugs
[12:11] <des2> We also didn't see how long it took for the webpage to laod.
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[12:13] <Davespice> yeah true, I haven't seen that on any BBC videos either, there is always a cut of some kind
[12:14] <Hourd> yeah...
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[12:14] <Hourd> and the boot
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[12:14] <Davespice> yes
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[12:15] <Hourd> i'm interested tos ee all the people moaning that it doesnt do what was advertised
[12:15] <Hourd> *to see
[12:15] <Hourd> just because they didnt pay too much attention
[12:16] <drazyl> I BORT A RSAPBERY PI AND IT DIDNT COME WIHT A POWNEEZ
[12:16] <des2> 10,000Pi update from Liz:
[12:16] <des2> There was a delay in getting them here (I'm not totally clear on the cause), but the first ones will be going out to customers next week from both vendors. (Yes, they do exist!)
[12:16] <des2> We've got inspectors from both Element 14/Premier Farnell and RS going to the factory today to satisfy themselves about working conditions. We've already sent someone along on our own behalf (we were happy), and I think Broadcom are also sending an observer in at some point ?
[12:17] <des2> not sure if that's on their behalf, ours, or just for fun! It's a small outfit, not at all on the same scale as something like Foxconn. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to identify them at the moment, but I will do when I'm certain I can.
[12:19] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/why-no-unboxings-yet-when-there-are-10-000-raspis-produced/page-2
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[12:19] <Hourd> cool
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[12:21] <des2> I still don't know from her response where they are.
[12:22] <drazyl> I have a drawful of them, sorry, all my fault
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[12:24] <des2> I guess they didn't pay for tracking on the $350,000 shipment.
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[12:25] <Hourd> des2: they just wired a gps to an rpi
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[12:26] <des2> Apparently they're with drazyl's missing socks.
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[12:27] <bwidmer> does anyone know the schedule for the mirror updates ?
[12:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> what mirror
[12:29] <Hourd> des2: aha! thats where they went...
[12:30] <huene> bwidmer: i don't have a clue. nothing happened on my mirror, except my own updates
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[12:31] <des2> RPi download mirrors RaTT
[12:31] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Download_Mirrors
[12:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha right ...
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[12:38] <conra> not working: raspberrypi.seedbox24.pl
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[12:43] <Davespice> I am actually thinking about having a crack at the accelerated X server myself now
[12:44] <des2> 'crack' being an appropriate word.
[12:45] <Davespice> you would need to convert between the X.org and OpenVG co-ordinate systems, and maybe some stuff would still need to be done in software, so some memory copying might have to go on
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[12:46] <Davespice> I expect I would be out of my depth though :)
[12:49] <jojo> does openvg have the concept of windows that you can map and unmap and move independently?
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[12:49] <Davespice> no idea, as far as I know it's just for drawing vector graphics
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[12:50] <jojo> i am not sure there is much benefit accelerating vector primitives
[12:50] <Davespice> so you would have to get into the X.org code responsible for actually drawing objects to the screen and redirect that to use calls to OpenVG
[12:50] <jojo> most x11 apps do not use them much
[12:50] <jojo> what you really need is blit and fill
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[12:51] <Davespice> oh okay, maybe it would better to direct it through EGL then
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[12:51] <jojo> and a good way of handling text
[12:51] <Davespice> that should be able to do it... the idea is essentially to redirect the X.org output so that the GPU will do the processing, instead of the main CPU
[12:53] <mjr> yes, using opengl es as the rendering backend would probably make the most sense
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[12:54] <Davespice> there is this article, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5012187 which sort of explains how to structure the driver
[12:55] <Davespice> but it's only two pages long and doesn't give much technical information, it's more about the concept of doing it
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[12:55] <zabomber> interesting
[12:55] <Davespice> so I've been trying to get hold of the authors to see if they can assist with sample code or whatever
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[12:56] <Davespice> they say they've had it working on a PXA320 mobile device
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[12:56] <Davespice> so some sample code does exist somewhere, belonging to Samsung
[12:57] <Davespice> if anyone can't get access to the article, pm me and I can email it
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[13:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.khronos.org/opengles/2_X/
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[13:01] <Davespice> RaTTuS|BIG: that's not an actual X server is it?
[13:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> no :(
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[13:02] <Davespice> my heart stopped for a moment then...
[13:02] <Davespice> I was like OH EMM GEEE - click
[13:04] <SpeedEvil> You were acting oddly - we had to turn you off and on again.
[13:05] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: who me?
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[13:18] <Davespice> ahh, gentlemen - I have dug up some more stuff
[13:19] <Davespice> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/EGL and http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Xegl (apparently abandonware now)
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[13:37] <BCMM> Davespice: Xgl was pretty much a transitional thing that's been replaced by AIGLX
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[13:38] <victhor> KDE4 can use EGL for compositing, instead of GLX, no?
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[13:39] <Davespice> hmm, I wonder if that can be compiled for ARM
[13:39] <BCMM> victhor: i think so, as of relatively recently
[13:39] <BCMM> i'm sure kwin is already run on ARM
[13:39] <courpse> Is the OS restricted somewhat? or can debian be used instead of fedora?
[13:39] <victhor> KDE4 works on ARM no? I read about a tablet with KDE4
[13:39] <victhor> the problem is getting KDE4 to work with 256 MB of RAM
[13:40] <Davespice> KDE is based on X.org right? if so it might be possible to salvage the DIX part of the X server and make it work with something light like LXDE
[13:41] <BCMM> courpse: debian and fedora will definitely both be available. also, anything you can get working; the bootloader isn't locked down like a droid phone or anything
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[13:43] <courpse> Nice.
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[13:43] <BCMM> you should be able to just remove the SD card and install whatever you like on it
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[13:48] <BCMM> courpse: iirc, it just loads "kernel.img" from the first available FAT partition on the SD card
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[13:49] <Flea86> BCMM: Sounds fairly straightforward.. :)
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[13:51] <SpeedEvil> ?
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[13:52] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[13:53] <BCMM> SpeedEvil: did you just wake up at your keyboard or something?
[13:53] <BCMM> :)
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[13:55] <Flea86> BCMM: I'm almost ready to collapse on mine :P
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[13:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/raspberry-pi-interview-eban-upton-reveals-all/
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[14:03] <Davespice> have we got any Raspberry Pi forum admins online in here?
[14:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> no why?
[14:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> well maybe no
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[14:07] <IT_Sean> Morning
[14:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> 'noon IT_Sean
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: I went away, saw a highlight, and then was confused
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[14:13] <echo9> Heya all
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[14:13] <echo9> Ssup fellas
[14:14] <echo9> Anyone has their hands on the alpha/beta boards?
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[14:15] <echo9> Anyone?
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[14:18] <techman2> evening all
[14:18] <echo9> Anyone having their hands on alpha/beta boards?
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[14:18] <echo9> Yo techman2
[14:19] <echo9> ..
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[14:20] <Davespice> echo9: just be careful there mate, if you spam the channel you'll get unvoiced, some people do have alpha and beta board but generally they're not at the disposal of other people
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[14:21] <techman2> ircing from iphone is interesting
[14:21] <Davespice> oh? there is an iphone IRC client?
[14:22] <techman2> multiple apps out there
[14:22] <Matt> try ircing from something that only has a regular 12-key pad
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[14:22] <Davespice> cool, I am hoping there will be a Quassel client, so I can connect it to my core at home
[14:22] <Matt> T9 and whatnot
[14:22] <echo9> @davespice lol "spam"? Umm ohk not doing this intensionaly jst wanted that any alpha/beta board owners just do a review of it
[14:23] <techman2> would be nice to have a bt keyboard
[14:23] <Hourd> Matt: got a phone with full qwerty for that reason
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[14:23] <popey> Matt: I have done that from an N82 whilst on holiday and bored some years back ???
[14:23] <Henchman21> yay just ordered my pi
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[14:23] <echo9> @techman2 how about ircing from a java based phone?
[14:23] <popey> ssh/irssi inside screen on an n82 wasn't pleasant
[14:24] <Davespice> echo9: if you keep posting the same thing = spam, just a friendly warning
[14:24] <techman2> java based phone?
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[14:24] <echo9> Right now am ircing through a java based phone :) try jmirc
[14:25] * Matt has mirggi on his n95
[14:25] <ahven> mirggi on symbian, andchat on android
[14:25] <Matt> which is quite acceptable as a client
[14:25] <echo9> A nokia 6303 classic having symbian s40
[14:25] <techman2> this client is fine
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[14:26] <echo9> @davespice got it bro :p
[14:26] <techman2> just the whole thing of using a phone to irc is painful
[14:26] <techman2> wanted to give it a go though
[14:27] <Davespice> techman2: agreed, I always turn the iphone 90 degrees when I type on it, then use thumbs, just a bit easier and more spaced out
[14:27] <echo9> Guys how about skyping through a pi?
[14:27] <techman2> couldnt be bothered sitting in front of the pc
[14:28] <echo9> Workin on this idea
[14:28] <Davespice> echo9: I expect someone will do it soon enough, I plan to try and use mine to IRC, we'll see who's the first in here ON a Pi :)
[14:28] <techman2> dave: this free version client wont let you do that. potrait only
[14:28] <techman2> portrait even
[14:28] <Davespice> techman2: that's a bit poor
[14:29] <mjr> echo9, skype is proprietary as hell, won't run on the pi
[14:29] <Davespice> is there a paid for version that does allow it?
[14:29] <victhor> there's a n800 version
[14:29] <techman2> probably
[14:30] <Davespice> I found a really nice game on the iPhone this morning, called DOORS, its a room escape game, quite a good little time waster for Tube or Train journeys
[14:30] <Davespice> Free too
[14:30] <echo9> Davespice ircing will be pretty easy on a pi as its all text, can be done using xirc, puppy linux will soon be ready for pi exclusively
[14:30] <techman2> i do have to admit the screen on this phone is something else
[14:31] <Davespice> echo9: that's cool, I might see if can get the Quassel client to build
[14:31] <DaQatz> +++++++++++++++++Took me years after the farm closed to be able to drink milk again
[14:32] <techman2> my pi apps will be epic4 and jed.
[14:32] <echo9> Mjr we can always find some alternative to it; google's gtalk uses xmpp to work similarly maybe skype wil giveup its secret
[14:32] <techman2> or perhaps vim.
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[14:33] <techman2> daqatz: ?
[14:33] <mjr> echo9, free VOIP solutions will certainly work (though you need an USB mic). Skype giving up their secretiveness? Pretty much never.
[14:33] <echo9> Ahh vim! The classy, salty text editor. . :D correction*: environment
[14:34] <techman2> not many people seem to use jed.
[14:37] <des2> I think I tried jed once
[14:37] <echo9> Mjr, yeah usb mic would be reqd. Ahh..actualy this idea of mine having a xbmc setup + photo browsing + internet browsing + skype/dedicated video chatting app. is what i will working on :) will gift it to my parents
[14:37] <des2> You'll be sorry...
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[14:38] <echo9> U know old aged parents don't need m$ crap they need a stable, straight functioning sys.
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[14:39] <echo9> Sry fellas am in a subway now; might disconnect
[14:40] <des2> As long as you're not driving the train...
[14:40] <echo9> Lol :p
[14:40] <drazyl> or making the sandwiches
[14:41] <Vazde> :D
[14:41] <echo9> Phone signal is pretty steep here
[14:42] <echo9> Now, why don't they install micro towers/repeaters down here
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[14:44] <des2> Why you want to cook lunch too ?
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[14:46] <echo9> :D naah not lunch but definitely want to bake a pie &..everyones invited to hava a slice :p
[14:46] <echo9> Have*
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[14:49] <echo9> Hehe
[14:51] <echo9> Allright everyone gotta go now time to change my train :p
[14:51] <jamesd256> stupid question: let's say I could put android on the PI, ignoring the memory issues (maybe only 1.6 will work?) Is there a usb dongle/modem which would permit the pi to operate as a GSM phone?
[14:53] <echo9> Wait 1.6? Thts donut
[14:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes - YMMV in finding one though
[14:54] <echo9> Lol a portable but not that portable aka "pi not portable phone edition"?
[14:54] <mjr> jamesd256, yes. At least Huawei E169 is capable of making voice calls, and support is available for asterisk (probably in mainline these days, but at least as patches)
[14:55] <mjr> Good luck in finding one, though, as he said
[14:55] <Henchman21> dont need android for call making support
[14:55] <jamesd256> of course, asterisk
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[14:55] <jamesd256> i knew it was a stupid question
[14:55] <Henchman21> freesmartphone
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[14:55] <jamesd256> believe me, i don't want to put android on the pi :)
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[14:55] <echo9> Wait wait u're trying to put android+ a usb dongle?
[14:56] <mjr> I'm not aware of any other model of USB mobile stick that has voice call support (and even such that is known how to use it)
[14:56] <mjr> I've not looked in a couple of years, though.
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[14:56] <jamesd256> mjr: thanks, that was the real question, the dongle with GSM voice support
[14:56] <Henchman21> http://www.freesmartphone.org
[14:56] <echo9> ==he doesnt hav any idea
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[14:57] <Henchman21> well i'd think any gsm modem would be able to make calls
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[14:57] <mjr> jamesd256, indeed. The asterisk guys might know if there are new models that would work.
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[14:58] <echo9> If u wanna realy use ur pi as a phone try installing a linux + the dongle supporting voice
[14:59] <jamesd256> Henchman21: brilliant thanks for the link
[14:59] <Henchman21> from my openmoko days
[14:59] <echo9> Lol
[14:59] <jamesd256> I didn't really think my question through. It just popped into my head as a fun possible application for the pi
[14:59] <Henchman21> had debian on it and used the freesmartphone dbus and apps to make calls with it
[15:00] <echo9> Henchmen let him explore a bit trying to convert his pi into a phone
[15:01] <echo9> @henchman21 awesome!
[15:01] <Henchman21> i need to make a call... can i use your TV's hdmi?
[15:01] <Henchman21> and mouse/keyboard
[15:02] <jamesd256> well, I think it's a great idea for the pi
[15:02] <Henchman21> it was fun till someone stole my moko
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[15:02] <jamesd256> I like having an android phone, but I don't really like android
[15:02] <jamesd256> a linux phone would be fun
[15:02] <echo9> Aww poor thing
[15:03] <Guest70658> android is based on linux?
[15:03] <jamesd256> yes it is guest
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[15:03] <alk_> root it? :)
[15:03] <Henchman21> but with lots of binary blobs
[15:03] <jamesd256> of course my phone is rooted
[15:03] <jamesd256> i have debian running, etc
[15:03] <echo9> Jst by this i got this news: ubuntu is comin to your phones soon
[15:04] <jamesd256> but it's not the same as having a linux phone
[15:04] <mjr> well
[15:04] <jamesd256> or more to the point, a portable device with phone capability
[15:04] <mjr> androids are linux phones. They're just not GNU/Linux phones ;)
[15:04] <Hourd> it would be pretty cool to have a standard linux for a phone
[15:04] <Henchman21> osx is to debian as android is to linux
[15:04] <jamesd256> mjr: no offense, but I think everyone here knows that
[15:04] <Henchman21> bsd*
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[15:04] <Hourd> isnt osx closer to bsd?
[15:05] <Henchman21> yeah my bad
[15:05] <jamesd256> Hourd: thank you
[15:05] <echo9> Guest: android is the first thing that hapnd to mobile/phone linux platform
[15:05] <huene> mac os is based on bsd
[15:05] <echo9> @henchman21 dito
[15:05] <jamesd256> echo9, no there were linux phones before android
[15:05] <Henchman21> i typed debian thinking bsd
[15:05] <jamesd256> they just never took off
[15:05] <Hourd> bsd with a silly price tag
[15:06] <echo9> .
[15:06] <ksx4system> huene: not exactly, it doesn't have BSD kernel (only subsystem, the kernel is Mach)
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[15:06] <ksx4system> and OS X kernel comes directly from NeXTStep OS
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[15:07] <Hourd> ah cool
[15:07] <Hourd> i dont get on too well with isx... too s hiny
[15:08] <Hourd> *shiny
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[15:09] <ksx4system> Hourd: shiny eye-candy look isn't a problem
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[15:09] <ksx4system> insane resource waste is
[15:09] <Da|Mummy> it is when the candy wrapper is closed and you cant open it in any way
[15:09] <echo9> Ubuntu wil be coming not as a separate OS but integrated as an app probably..
[15:10] <Hourd> ksx4system: shiny=resource hungry no?
[15:10] * ksx4system seen OS X box with 2Gb of ram and 60Gb (yes, sixty gigabytes) of swap somewhere around 2009-2010
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[15:10] <Hourd> lawl
[15:10] <ksx4system> Hourd: Ubuntu is shiny too but not as resource hungry as OS X was/is...
[15:10] <Hourd> try, but unity =[
[15:10] <ksx4system> at least when you optimize it a little bit
[15:11] * ksx4system runs latest Ubuntu with Unity on his two main boxes
[15:11] <echo9> Allright fellas time to go; later
[15:11] <ksx4system> works like a charm and still lighter than old (10.4.11, around 2006) OS X
[15:11] <zgreg> the latest unity in 12.03 works well, and usually performs good
[15:11] <Da|Mummy> you should try xfce/lxde
[15:11] <zgreg> there are some changes to compiz in the pipe that will speed it up a lot, too
[15:12] <ksx4system> Da|Mummy: I used to run it when Debian was my main desktop OS (squeeze + XFCE)... now I run Debian only on servers
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[15:14] <Hourd> i use gnome 2.* and lxde
[15:14] <Hourd> on debian
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[15:22] <jamesd256> Hourd: nice. I am very happy with XFCE 4 on Ubuntu server
[15:22] <jamesd256> I have a 6 core AMD workstation, but I still hate gnome / kde4
[15:22] <jamesd256> I even hate xubuntu :)
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[15:23] <huene> why do you have any desktop environment on a server?
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[15:23] <jamesd256> huene: it's a quick way to install a very lightweight distro
[15:24] <drazyl> if you are managing servers it can make sense to install your desktop with the same software
[15:24] <jamesd256> plus my work involves running high availability servers
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[15:24] <jamesd256> so I run my dev environment on a machine which is similar to production as drazyl says
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[15:25] <huene> why does the server even need that?
[15:25] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: why not try Arch Linux?
[15:25] <huene> SSH is enough for a server :)
[15:26] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: because we have about 50 servers running Ubuntu
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[15:26] <jamesd256> and Ubuntu is fine
[15:27] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: ah good point. why not just install Ubuntu server and build on that?
[15:27] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: don't install the packages you don't need at installation time?
[15:27] <jamesd256> <jamesd256> Hourd: nice. I am very happy with XFCE 4 on Ubuntu server
[15:28] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: I was just cheering on Hourd. I have no decision to make, I've been working with Ubuntu server like this for 5 years
[15:29] <jamesd256> but I hung on to KDE until 4 came out. That was the last straw
[15:29] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: why not try LXDE?
[15:29] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: now that is a good idea
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[15:29] <jamesd256> ...and I just might
[15:29] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: or rapid-qt
[15:30] <jamesd256> well, it is a 6 core athlon, so I can just about cope with XFCE4
[15:30] <jamesd256> I run LXDE on my phone, and like it
[15:31] <Hourd> my server at home is running ubuntu 11.10 and the only reason it has a WM is because i plug a tv into it and run it as a media server from time to time
[15:31] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: i tend to err on the side of less is more. I'm currently compiliing a kernel whilest here is weechat. all in hte console though. no X yet.
[15:32] <Soul_Est> Hourd: console is king. :)
[15:32] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: yeah my network guy runs Gentoo, which I admire, but honestly I can't be bothered
[15:32] <jamesd256> it's a question of diminishing marginal returns
[15:33] <jamesd256> my system never lags,so why change it?
[15:33] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: I prefer Arch to Gentoo since I don't to do a lot of compiling
[15:33] <Hourd> Soul_Est: hehe yeah, everyone at work runs windows, its rather amusing when they come to ask how to do something and see my screens
[15:33] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: well thanks for the tip, because I never looked at Arch before you endorsed it
[15:34] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: very good question. the anwser usually is: because you can!
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[15:34] <Soul_Est> Hourd: ha! you running tmux as well?
[15:34] <jamesd256> who needs a task bar when you've got screen, right?
[15:35] <Hourd> Soul_Est: of course
[15:35] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: you mean, you can if you have time
[15:35] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: it's very good. all of my systems run it. I currently use it for learning and pm research
[15:35] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: true, true. all I really have is time.
[15:36] <Soul_Est> Hourd: =)
[15:36] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: it can be quite time consuming learning all the particulars of a new distro
[15:36] <jamesd256> I have deadlines :)
[15:36] <Hourd> Soul_Est: 1 terminal per physical screen, and each of those with tmux
[15:38] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: but if you know linux, learning a new distro is much faster. i used what i learned from arch to fix a broken ubuntu system even.
[15:38] <jamesd256> Soul_Est: the deeper you go, the easier it gets
[15:38] <jamesd256> I used to gasp at the one liners all the nerds came up with, now I'm not too shabby at one liners
[15:38] <jamesd256> gotta love sed and awk
[15:39] <Hourd> jamesd256: yeah being able to do 'pro' one liners makes you feel pretty good
[15:39] <Soul_Est> jamesd256: same here.
[15:40] <Soul_Est> looks like I have a lot of reading and testing ahead for awk and sed. still learning some of the advanced shell scripting techniques.
[15:41] <des2> Someone still uses awk rather than Perl ?
[15:41] <Soul_Est> This X200s is amazing. O_O
[15:41] <Hourd> i should learn more awk
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[15:41] <Hourd> des2: yeah?
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[15:42] <Soul_Est> des2: yes definitely.
[15:42] <jamesd256> des2: sometimes perl is great in a one liner, sometimes awk is more compact
[15:42] <jamesd256> I am a huge perl lover
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[15:42] * Soul_Est loves his Lenovo ThinkPad X200s
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[15:43] <jamesd256> sometimes dealing with large data sets which need to be parsed, perl hashes are insanely fast
[15:43] <jamesd256> you need all the tools
[15:44] <Hourd> Soul_Est: jelly
[15:44] <jzu> shell (grep+sed) for me, perl if it gets complicated
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[15:44] <jamesd256> jzu: right on
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[15:45] <jamesd256> but the better you get, the more complex stuff you can do with a one liner
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[15:47] <Soul_Est> Hourd: they're coming up for very reasonable amounts now. I got mine for $350. it's a 7470-5HU so i need to replace the 4-cell with a 6-cell or 9-cell.
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[15:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> bloody site has eatan my posts
[15:48] <Soul_Est> Hourd: the X201s however is fetching a pretty penny now. $1500 is what i've seen. all amounts were in
[15:48] <Soul_Est> CAD
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[15:50] <Hourd> Soul_Est: damn
[15:50] <Hourd> i have a thinkpad edge atm
[15:50] <Hourd> got a ??1250 one for ??536
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[15:51] <mkopack> Ugh, I want to go back to bed??? didn't sleep AT ALL last night
[15:52] <drazyl> you know they're not launching the pi every weds right?
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[15:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm i thin they have upgraded the forums
[15:52] <intelminer> When is the next batch, anyway
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[15:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> as soon as you order intelminer
[15:53] <intelminer> Oh?
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[15:54] <des2> It's more continuous production rather than batch
[15:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> both RS and farell have reprentives going to chain now to check out the factory
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[15:55] <intelminer> ...WHERE IS MY WALLET
[15:55] * intelminer table flips, scours the wreckage
[15:56] <Davespice> RaTTuS|BIG: Broadcom too apparently :)
[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html
[15:56] <mkopack> intel: Just realize that at this point, you're WAY back in the queue??? So don't expect it much before Mid May
[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - umm where is that post as I cannot find it anymore
[15:56] <Davespice> the eben reveals all one?
[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[15:56] <Davespice> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/raspberry-pi-interview-eban-upton-reveals-all/
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm no not that one
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'll find it in a bit
[16:01] <mjr> Eben dissing Beagle/Pandaboard and Canonical is a bit meh there, doesn't give a good impression
[16:01] <acfrazier> remind me to not get tweeted by Liz
[16:01] <acfrazier> or my website will crash
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[16:03] <mkopack> Eh, I don't see it as dissing Canonical - Canonical hasn't supported ARMv7 or older for a few years now. That's why I had to go to debian on the Plug computer
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[16:04] <mkopack> They didn't realize that when they put up the alpha boards???
[16:04] <des2> There was a delay in getting them here (I'm not totally clear on the cause), but the first ones will be going out to customers next week from both vendors. (Yes, they do exist!)
[16:05] <des2> We've got inspectors from both Element 14/Premier Farnell and RS going to the factory today to satisfy themselves about working conditions. We've already sent someone along on our own behalf (we were happy), and I think Broadcom are also sending an observer in at some point ?
[16:05] <des2> not sure if that's on their behalf, ours, or just for fun! It's a small outfit, not at all on the same scale as something like Foxconn. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to identify them at the moment, but I will do when I'm certain I can.
[16:05] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/why-no-unboxings-yet-when-there-are-10-000-raspis-produced
[16:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes thats the baby - just found it myself
[16:06] <mjr> mostly that he thinks it's "brutal" for Ubuntu to wish that nobody be saying that the Pi runs Ubuntu when they in fact it doesn't.
[16:06] <mjr> I don't think it's brutal. They're just protecting their brand from getting associated with false hopes.
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[16:08] <SpeedEvil> des2: Not fair! Why diddn't they sell tickets to go round the factory.
[16:09] <des2> Don't disturm the children while they're soldering...
[16:11] <Ticho> or taking happy smile pictures at the production line
[16:11] <drazyl> "please do not feed the workers"
[16:14] <mkopack> Crap, considering how tight some of those components are you NEEd to have small asian child hands to get at them!
[16:14] <des2> good observation
[16:15] <mkopack> You should have heard me cursing the Japanese when I was trying to change the spark plugs on my 2000 Honda VFR800??? I swear they must employ tiny little japanese women with tiny little hands to reach in there and insert the plugs...
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[16:15] <mkopack> Certainly no male american can get his hands in there to do it!
[16:15] <mkopack> What should have taken 5 minutes took more like 3 HOURS because I had to remove so much crap to get at them
[16:16] <des2> They can't even get their butts in the seat
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[16:17] <mkopack> hehe, on a sport bike your butt is RARELY in the seat :)
[16:17] <mkopack> unless you're just cruising down the interstate
[16:17] <jamesglanville> how much do you reckon I would have to bribe eben to somehow get me a raspberry pi if I go to the tedxgranta thing tomorrow?
[16:18] <des2> just bid on ebay like everyone else...
[16:18] <Hourd> mkopack: are you one of those you touching the ground with their knee going round a round-about
[16:19] <mkopack> Hourd: HELLZ yes! :)
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[16:19] <Hourd> *sigh*
[16:19] <mkopack> (nah, actually, I don't ride THAT aggressively unless I'm on the race track doing a track day...)
[16:19] <Hourd> i see people going round and round trying to get their knee to the floor to scratch their kneepads so that can look 'cool'
[16:19] <mkopack> james: I don't think he even HAS them to give to you if you bribed him
[16:19] <des2> I've always wondered why they don't just strap a wheel to the knee
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[16:20] <mkopack> It's actually kind of important???
[16:20] <mkopack> The faster you're going the more you have to hang off to shift the center of mass so the bike will turn??? You use your knee and the sliders to give you a feel for just how far over you are so you know where the lean limit is
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[16:21] <mkopack> (or if you're like Rossi when the bike starts to go into a low-side, you use your knee to push it back up and get the rubber back on the road??? That dude is AMAZING.)
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[16:22] <drazyl> I have a steering wheel that helps me make turns :)
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[16:22] <mkopack> http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x200/crazybiker_ga/?action=view&current=mikecbr07.jpg
[16:22] <Ticho> i am always expecting their tires to slip and the inner leg jerked backwards from the speed, along with whole leg being severed :>
[16:22] <mkopack> That's my current ride
[16:23] <Hourd> mkopack: yeah rossi is teh lulz
[16:23] <mkopack> Ticho: Nah, those knee slider pucks we wear are very very hard and low friction??? you just kinda slide your knee...
[16:23] <Ticho> i see, that explains a lot
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[16:24] <Hourd> mkopack: i used to ride a black/silver gsxr 1000 K4
[16:24] <Ticho> still, a wheel would fit there nicely :>
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[16:25] <mkopack> And honestly, everyone says how dangerous motorcycles are, but honestly, you see no more deaths in MC racing than any other form. Wearing proper gear goes a LONG way towards ensuring safety.
[16:25] <mkopack> It's usually when cars and bikes are on the same road that crap happens, and more often than not, it's the car doing something stupid
[16:26] <mkopack> Hourd: Give it up?
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[16:26] <mkopack> I'm SOOO hoping the weather warms up just a little more next week so I can start riding to work again. Sick of putting 75 miles a day on my Explorer.
[16:26] <des2> And not having cars on the same track as the bikes.
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[16:27] <mkopack> des: hehe, I love when they do those "car vs bike" shootouts??? Putting a sport bike against some sports car??? and the bike pretty much always wins
[16:27] <jamesd256> if you know car drivers are not that good, and you still don't ride defensively to compensate, then there will be accidents
[16:27] <jamesd256> I'm not justifying car drivers behaviour
[16:27] <mkopack> james: Well, *I* do??? but I know a lot of people who don't. I stopped riding with them because of that.
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[16:28] <jamesd256> but I am a motorcyclists who all want to rip away from the lights first, so they're not all blameless
[16:28] <jamesd256> sorry, sentence got munged
[16:28] <mkopack> That's not to say I don't open it up from time to time and hit triple digits (MPH) on my way to/from work but ONLY on the interstate (which here in Atlanta is 5 lanes wide in each direction) and ONLY when I have a HUGE gap in traffic and can see well ahead of me that it's safe and open
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[16:29] <Hourd> mkopack: i live in the UK, the weather is quite often horrible to ride in, then there is tax + insurance + maintenance costs... not worth it for the odd ride
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[16:30] <mkopack> Hourd: yeah???. I had to sell my dirt bikes because I just got tired of seeing them sit in the garage all the time, never getting ridden, while I was making payments on them, plus having to do the maintenance and insurance and such??? Just no time to ride them with grad school
[16:30] <mkopack> Closest place to ride dirt is nearly 2 hours drive away, so it was an all-day type thing and I just couldn't spare that kind of time on the weekends with grad school work to do??? So I sold them
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[16:32] <Hourd> yeah =[ plus 1000cc is just too powerfull for UK roads unless the roads are completely clear
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[16:33] <mkopack> yeah. I've never really seen the point in anything more than a 600??? I had the 2000 VFR 800, and it was a GREAT bike (till I totaled it, some jerk in a car cut me off???.) But it needed the extra HP because it was a heavy sport tourer and not a pure sport bike.
[16:33] <mkopack> 1000cc bikes seem like a total waste to me unless you're on a race track.
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[16:35] <mkopack> At least over there in the UK you guys can get decent coverage of MotoGP + World Superbike??? Here we're lucky if we even get to watch the races tape delayed
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[16:36] <mkopack> AMA road racing has pretty much gone downhill???
[16:36] <mkopack> I would LOVE to go watch the Isle of Mann race some time
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[16:37] <Hourd> mkopack: yeah love going to the motoGP
[16:37] <Hourd> world superbike gets a bit boring
[16:38] <mkopack> Hourd: well, I thought WSBK was boring back when it was just the All Ducati show??? It's gotten better in recent years as the other manufacturers have done better and the field isn't all Ducs
[16:38] <mkopack> I went to the first Indianapolis MotoGP race??? The one that got hit by the Hurricane??? OMG that SUCKED SO BAD...
[16:38] <hamitron> and real bikers ride in all weather ;)
[16:38] <Hourd> yeah =[
[16:38] <jamesd256> hamitron: you have not wandered into the wrong channel
[16:38] <Hourd> hamitron: they do, doesnt make it fun
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[16:39] <mkopack> Cold I can handle??? Wet I can handle??? Cold+Wet = SUX
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[16:39] <hamitron> snow, ice and hailstone are bad imo
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[16:39] <hamitron> hailstone with open face helmet just hurts :/
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[16:41] * SpeedEvil had hail the first time this year 20 mins ago.
[16:41] <hamitron> I was riding in it :/
[16:41] <hamitron> hard day at work.... and then if god exists, he does that to me
[16:41] * hamitron spits
[16:42] <mkopack> yeah, when all you wanted to do was throw a leg over and get some stress out
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[16:42] <hamitron> I just wanted to get home tbh
[16:42] <hamitron> haha
[16:42] <Hourd> mkopack: who doesnt want to just 'throw a leg over' and get some stress out?
[16:42] <mkopack> Anyhow??? Rpi??? Interesting that they're sticking with the original chinese fab house for producing both the RS+Farnell boards (same prod line at least for now)
[16:43] <hamitron> that is probably good for consistency at least
[16:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> we build 10K .. come back in 2 months and say we want 100k
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> qualifying a new production line takes time
[16:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> then in 2 months 1mil
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> if the existing line can handle the volume...
[16:44] <Kolin> Saves them having to pay for tooling and setup again
[16:44] <mkopack> yeah, I just hope the fab line can handle the demand
[16:44] <hamitron> may it reduce the chance of "copying"?
[16:44] <mkopack> does mean that there won't be ANY differences between product you get from each distrib
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[16:45] <hamitron> mkopack, yeh, that bit I like most
[16:45] <Hourd> =]
[16:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> no diffrernces for a while anyway
[16:45] <mkopack> Yeah.. no : "get it from RS, they use a better connector" or "get it from Farnell, they're using better caps"
[16:45] <hamitron> then in 3 years there will be 200 revisions
[16:47] <mkopack> Ah, the Fedora 14 for Pi is up
[16:47] <mkopack> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/rpi/images/fedora/14/r1-06-03-2012/
[16:47] <hamitron> I'm just gonna hold fire, till there isn't a waiting list I think
[16:48] <hamitron> I'm a late adopter with most things, so no point been any different with this ;)
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[16:50] <BCMM> mkopack: so RS and Farnell are both "manufacturing" them buy buying them from the same facility in China?
[16:51] <mkopack> yeah, that's what it seems to sound like
[16:51] <des2> BCMM apparently yes
[16:51] <mkopack> At least for the time being
[16:51] <BCMM> how big is that facility? will it hit capacity at some point?
[16:51] <urs> Eventually foxconn will make them an offer they can't refuse.
[16:51] <des2> Nah chinese workers don't need sleep.
[16:51] <BCMM> i mean, if they are small enough to accept a 10k run...
[16:51] <mkopack> from what liz posted, it sounds like it's a relatively speaking small shop??? nothing the size of Foxconn, but they seem to be able to handle bigger runs???
[16:52] <mkopack> 10,000 was actually a VERY small production run
[16:52] <mkopack> That's part of why they couldn't do it in the UK. Most places don't even want to be bothered with that small a prod run
[16:52] <BCMM> that's why i'm wondering if it's a relatively small plant
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[16:53] * drazyl is sad that the UK is too stupid to realise the conversation was going to be "can I have, 10, err no, 100, err make that a million" over a short time
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[16:53] <mkopack> Well, let's put it this way, it only took them like 2 weeks of actual production to make the 10,000 initial ones, right? And that probably wasn't using up all the plant's capacity.
[16:54] <mkopack> So assuming they can double or triple that, production in the same timeframe, they should be able to catch up to the demand within a month or two
[16:54] <BCMM> demand is substantially greater than 10k a week right now isn't it?
[16:55] <Matt> initially
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[16:55] <mkopack> Well, they have to work through the backlog right now.. but you have to figure demand IS going to slow down after the initial people get them...
[16:55] <mkopack> In the mean time, RS + Farnell can get their own production lines stood up and certified
[16:56] <BCMM> of course
[16:56] <joohoo340> yeah but hten they want to relase them to schools and broaden the market
[16:56] <mkopack> Right, so it'll be ok...
[16:56] <joohoo340> model A's with cases, cool widgets that you and I make etc
[16:57] <mkopack> I'm just happy I found a power supply at home that should work. Just need the USB-->micro USB cable for it
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[16:58] <BCMM> mkopack: i believe you can also feed it power through a pin at the end of the GPIO bit
[16:58] <Matt> just cause I don't have the time to look it up right now, what's the current load the psu needs to be able to deliver?
[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://biscuithead.co.uk/
[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops wrong window
[16:59] <BCMM> 700mA for B, 500mA for A
[16:59] <BCMM> Matt: ^
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[16:59] <mkopack> BCMM: yup
[17:00] <ksx4system> hmm... it should be possible to power it from one of my old thin clients...
[17:00] <mkopack> That's WITHOUT anything plugged into the USB ports though
[17:00] <des2> Meritline.com has the USB to micro-usb onsale today 3 for $3 http://www.meritline.com/1-foot-usb-a-to-micro-usb-m-m-data-cable-for-cell-phones---p-59661.aspx?strcoup=&dealid=32104
[17:00] <BCMM> the latter happens to be what a standard USB port can deliver, so it would run off a computer or TV's port
[17:00] <ksx4system> IBM Netvista 8363 puts up to 1A on USB
[17:00] <mkopack> SO if you're using something a bit power hungry on the USB, you might need to feed it more
[17:00] <BCMM> but 700 is still well within most smartphone chargers
[17:00] <jamesd256> Rattus: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/enter-win-free-oops-wrong-window-tshirt
[17:00] <BCMM> mkopack: have there been any numbers on how much it can pass through to USB gadgets?
[17:00] <mkopack> I haven't seen anything...
[17:01] <mkopack> I wouldn't try plugging in anything that is power hungry...
[17:01] <mkopack> Like a laptop hard drive...
[17:01] <BCMM> also, i thought those numbers had some margin on them and were supposed to be "with a couple of devices plugged in"
[17:01] <mkopack> If you want to do something like that, use a powered external ub
[17:01] <mkopack> USB hub
[17:01] <mkopack> Might be??? It wasn't real clear when I looked it up this morning
[17:02] <mkopack> Nice call des! Free shipping too!
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[17:03] <BCMM> mkopack: you are right - elinux says that's with nothing connected
[17:05] <Matt> well I happen to have a spare charger for my blackberry
[17:05] <Matt> which is rated at 700mA output
[17:05] <BCMM> it also says that while is indeed just a 5v rail, making it quite possible to put power in rather than out over the GPIO pins, but that bypasses some sort of power protection circuit
[17:05] <mkopack> Matt: That'll work, just get yourself a powered hub for the USB stuff
[17:05] <BCMM> does anyone know any more about that?
[17:05] <mkopack> BCMM: Yeah, I wouldn't go direct to the GPIO unless you're VERY sure about the power you're plugging in...
[17:06] <des2> If only there was a schematic
[17:06] <BCMM> mkopack: and a phone charger wouldn't qualify?
[17:06] <Matt> I've also got the charger for my bluetooth headset I never use
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[17:06] <Matt> I could happily remove the cable from that and attach it to a slightly beefier supply
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[17:06] <BCMM> bother, i have a phone charger with a damaged plug here, you see
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[17:06] <mkopack> BCMM: Yeah, but why would you plug a phone charger into the GPIO?
[17:06] <mkopack> Ah
[17:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> well the fuse will blow at about 1000a so 250+ on a B will do it - most HD are more than that
[17:06] <BCMM> because i cut off the plug after ruining it
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[17:07] <BCMM> RaTTuS|BIG: there's a fuse? where?
[17:07] <mkopack> Yeah, there's a resettable fuse in the power loop on the Pi
[17:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> internal - reset after power is removed
[17:08] <des2> Polyfuse
[17:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> get a powered USB hub and use that to powerr the RPi and extend the USB deviuces
[17:08] <BCMM> doesn't that make it a circuit breaker, not a fuse?
[17:09] <BCMM> yeah, that's probably best - but can you get one that provides more power than the USB spec?
[17:10] <BCMM> i've seen dumb ones for charging stuff that will provide over 500mA, and actual hubs that transmit data, but not sure about one that does both
[17:10] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettable_fuse
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[17:14] <BCMM> RaTTuS|BIG: wait, the fuse is 1A?
[17:15] <mkopack> right the board can't take in any more than 1A
[17:15] <BCMM> meaning that a single standards-compliant USB device on the B will shut it down?
[17:15] <BCMM> i mean, can
[17:16] <mkopack> Honestly, I don't know??? it's been very unclear to me as well
[17:16] <des2> Yes
[17:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> Possibly - if you are attemting to pull 1A from teh RPi it will shut down - this is why you use a powered hub
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[17:18] <piofcube> I was going to ask if the "host" port on the USB hub provide power but I realised you would have to attach two usb cables to the R-Pi from the hub if you wanted to power the R-Pi and use the hub with the R-Pi.. right?
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[17:19] <mkopack> Pio; You mean take one of the ports on the powered hub and plug that into the power jack on the RPi?
[17:19] <mkopack> I don't know that you can do that. Won't that cause a short?
[17:19] <mkopack> You're looping the power
[17:19] <piofcube> mkopack It's going to use a mini USB socket for power right?
[17:19] <Hexxeh> Anyone got a link to a cheap power adaptor and SD combo for the Pi on Amazon?
[17:19] <mkopack> Power-->Hub-->RPi-->Hub USB in-
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[17:20] <mkopack> pio: MICRO.
[17:20] <piofcube> micro.. sorry LOL
[17:20] <mkopack> (How they figure micro is stronger mechaniccally than mini I don't know, but whatever)
[17:20] <mkopack> And it would figure, I have like 100 USB-->Mini cables at home, and only a single USB->Micro which I need for my mobile Hotspot
[17:20] <piofcube> But that micro USB won't have any data pins wired anywhere right?
[17:21] <mkopack> right, data pins ignored, just power
[17:21] <des2> Right pico
[17:21] <mkopack> des: Thanks again for that link??? ordered the 3 pack. Free shipping! YAY??? won't get here for a couple weeks though
[17:21] <mkopack> Hopefully just in time for the Rpi to arrive
[17:22] <piofcube> So if you want to power the R-Pi and use the hub for USB devices, you'd have two USB cables between the R-Pi and the hub?
[17:22] <des2> Yeah about 2-3 weeks to NY
[17:22] <mkopack> pio: like I said, I don't thikn you can power the Rpi from the Hub and use the Hub off of an RPi USB jack??? I would think that would cause a short because you're creating a power loop
[17:23] <piofcube> mkopack: Yeah you might be right there
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> doesn't matter in this case.
[17:23] <mkopack> Power-->Hub-->RPi power in-->Rpi USB out-->Hub USB in
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[17:23] <Henchman21> http://burnabrain.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/infinite-power.jpg
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> As long as, yes, you've got external coming from somewhere
[17:24] <mkopack> Speed: But won't that be looping the 5V?
[17:24] <mkopack> I wouldn't think you could do that...
[17:24] <mkopack> Or at least I would thikn that would be rather unstable
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: It doesn't matter, if it all comes from the same source.
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[17:24] <mkopack> Unless the powered hub just ignores the power pins on the USB in port
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> In principle it can be a bad thing if you connect devices to multiple power pins.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> power sources
[17:25] <mkopack> right
[17:25] <piofcube> Maybe.. the PD will remain the same as long as there isn't any extra isolator/transformers in the hub?
[17:25] <mkopack> k
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> But, connecting a power source to itself isn't an issue.
[17:25] <Hexxeh> Looks like http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edimax-EW-7811UN-Wireless-802-11b-150Mbps/dp/B003MTTJY/ and http://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIGINAL-Logitech-Unifying-Receiver-Replacement/dp/B005GB31PE/ would be a perfect Pi combo?
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[17:25] <SpeedEvil> You do know the latter is only logitech?
[17:26] <Hexxeh> Yes
[17:26] <Hexxeh> But with only two USB ports, if one is taken by WiFi and I want to avoid dangling a hub, it's the best solution?
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[17:27] <Hexxeh> Trying to get the most minimal and compact setup possible
[17:27] <Hexxeh> I can connect a logitech keyboard and mouse to that one dongle
[17:27] <Hexxeh> I don't want bluetooth because that means extra mess in software
[17:27] <Hexxeh> Plus Chrome OS doesn't really support it
[17:28] <koaschten> There is a chrome OS release for the rPI?
[17:28] <Hexxeh> There /might/ be soon.
[17:28] <Hexxeh> Well, Chromium OS.
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[17:28] <mkopack> Speaking of which, my Fedora download is done :)
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[17:29] <joohoo340> what would the advantage of the chromium os be over the debian/arch/fedora os's?
[17:30] * drazyl has an EW-7811Un but no Pi to test it with
[17:30] <Hexxeh> joohoo340: Should hopefully be the best setup for browsing thanks to a minimal stack underneath the browser
[17:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've got one of those but it did not work with my Ubuntu setup
[17:30] <Hexxeh> drazyl: If you have the RTL8192CU driver it'll work
[17:30] <Hexxeh> I already ship that driver in my Lime build, it's available in-tree on modern kernels
[17:31] <joohoo340> ok so turn it into an internet machine I though that was the oposite of what rpi was supposed to be?
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[17:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh I'll try the 8192cu next time I've got the wireless up
[17:31] <Hexxeh> I get LOADS of people working in schools that write to me asking about using Chromium OS in their classrooms
[17:31] <des2> Yeah it's suppose to be a media center...
[17:31] <Hexxeh> RasPi is a cheap way of filling classrooms with the software without having to worry about drivers etc
[17:32] <Hexxeh> I'm going to try to work with these schools to make it happen
[17:32] <Hexxeh> Provide automatic updates etc
[17:32] <mkopack> joohoo: But there ARE advantages to doing it all in the cloud - don't have to deal with the limited storage on the Rpi...
[17:32] <Hexxeh> Yup
[17:33] <joohoo340> ok but im still hung up on the details of that os, is there a way to get "dirty" with the os's innards like a linux os?
[17:33] <Hexxeh> Yeah there's the developer mode
[17:33] <mkopack> The question is whether the limited RAM can handle Chromium and be ok with doing everything web-based
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[17:33] <beardface> anyone want to see the 3d models of the raspberry pi's being printed?
[17:33] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Initial tests look positive
[17:33] <mkopack> beard: sure!
[17:34] <mkopack> How they coming out?
[17:34] <beardface> http://24.217.139.42:8112/live.htm
[17:34] <beardface> username: guest
[17:34] <beardface> much better now
[17:34] <beardface> rebuilt my nozzle
[17:34] <beardface> look good :)
[17:34] <mkopack> pwd? or none?
[17:34] <mkopack> Ah, in??? ice!
[17:34] <mkopack> nice!
[17:34] <mkopack> Yeah that looks really good beard!
[17:35] <beardface> thanks :)
[17:35] <Hexxeh> I'm gonna ship release images with verified boot enabled etc for security, but dev mode will be possible if you pop the SD card into another machine and edit a file or two
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[17:38] <joohoo340> Hexxeh wouldn't that kill some of the creativity that was initially desired in this project? would this allow some good natured meddling with software dev?
[17:38] <mkopack> I swear I'm going to get that damn SheevaPlug working tonight. Or I'm going to smash it into little pieces
[17:39] <Hexxeh> joohoo340: Enabling dev-mode is easy enough
[17:39] <des2> Unplug it before smashing.
[17:39] <Hexxeh> joohoo340: But I don't want to run two builds just to get dev and non-dev
[17:39] <Hexxeh> I'd rather do non-dev and let people enable dev mode if they want to
[17:39] <Hexxeh> Oddly enough iirc dev mode boots are a bit faster too
[17:41] <mkopack> probably does less sanity checking?
[17:41] <Hexxeh> yeah it's not verifying everything in dev-mode
[17:42] <beardface> piofcube
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[17:46] <mkopack> Interesting, was just reading up on the differences between the various Linux options for the RPi...
[17:46] <mkopack> Might go for the Fedora or ArchLinux (or even Gentoo if they ever get around to posting some clear instructions on how to do it???)
[17:47] <mkopack> Sounds like the debian will basically never have hardware floating point support
[17:48] <des2> Why not just go with the officially supported version so everyone is on the same page ?
[17:48] <Hexxeh> mkopack: I'll post a quick Gentoo image once I get my Pi
[17:48] <Hexxeh> mkopack: It's trivial to make
[17:48] <mkopack> of debian? or do you mean the Fedora pi image as the "supported official" version?
[17:49] <des2> The fedora one.
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[17:49] <mkopack> Hexxeh: I've never really messed with Gentoo, although I really prefer the way that works - I like the idea of compiling specifically for MY hardware and not all the cruft carried around for supporting HW I don't have.
[17:49] <mkopack> des: Well, all depends on what you want to do with it...
[17:49] <Hexxeh> mkopack: You might change your mind once you see compile times on a Pi :P
[17:50] <Hourd> oh god... the compile times...
[17:50] <Hourd> they are bad enough anyway
[17:50] <mkopack> hehe??? I figured it would be a few days at least.
[17:50] <Hourd> may as well set it going and go on holiday
[17:50] <piofcube> beardface: Yeah?
[17:50] <mkopack> lol
[17:51] <Hourd> thats why you need 2 pis
[17:51] <mkopack> Well, I'll probably start out with the Fedora one initially (already messed about with the debian one)??? And then once I have my 2nd one I'll try some different options
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[17:54] <mkopack> If I can get this damn Sheevaplug working then I'll have 1 less use for the Rpi
[17:54] <mkopack> which would free up one for experimentation
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[17:55] <beardface> http://24.217.139.42:8112/live.htm
[17:55] <beardface> username: guest
[17:56] <des2> broken lmage link
[17:57] <beardface> not sure how many people can be there at one time
[17:57] <mkopack> beard: Yeah it had frozen on me when I was watching earlier. Looked like the webcam went down
[17:57] <beardface> probably only one viewer at at a time
[17:57] <beardface> need to get it on ustream
[17:57] <piofcube> yeah... same here
[17:57] <des2> Work it in within the sex cams.
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[17:58] <mkopack> lol
[17:58] <beardface> well; youc an use this: http://24.217.139.42:8112/snapshot.cgi
[17:58] <beardface> thats a static image (refreshing page will update the image)
[17:59] <des2> almost done
[17:59] <beardface> i'll figure hout shared video at some point
[17:59] <beardface> yup, getting close
[17:59] <piofcube> nice
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[18:01] <aditsu> beardface: is that one of them opensource printers?
[18:01] <beardface> indeed
[18:01] <beardface> print done
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[18:01] <aditsu> cool
[18:01] <beardface> camera is a dumper, print looks pretty good in person
[18:02] <Hourd> beardface: nice
[18:02] <Hexxeh> Even cheaper tiny WiFi dongle alternative: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004ZDRBJ6/
[18:02] <Hexxeh> Uses RT3070 driver, which is also available in-tree on recent kernels
[18:02] <beardface> you can buy he one i just printed at http://rpicases.blogspot.com
[18:02] <beardface> or ebay
[18:03] <Hexxeh> beardface: Would you print custom designs?
[18:03] <aditsu> Hexxeh: wow, wifi so small?
[18:03] <beardface> sure
[18:03] <Hexxeh> aditsu: Yeah there are loads
[18:03] <beardface> send me the design and i'll let you know if it can be printed
[18:03] <beardface> cost depends on how much plastic
[18:03] <beardface> typically 15 for a custom print
[18:03] <beardface> unless its a ton of plastic
[18:03] <Hexxeh> beardface: What format? I just want a Chrome logo shaped case :P
[18:04] <aditsu> I thought only bluetooth got smaller than the usb plug
[18:04] <piofcube> I was talking to a friend about the template/3D print... I'll not mention his name but... LMAO... He was working on a project a few years ago... Might have been a beagleboard or sim and he was making a case from acrylic sheets... glueing them together and when he tried it out for size... he erm... crazyglued the PCB into the case by mistake and ended up trashing the board as he forgot to cut out certain ports in one side.
[18:04] <Hexxeh> Preferably with the colours on top, but I've no idea if that's possible
[18:04] <alk_> beardface: have you printed the blender rpi case?
[18:04] <beardface> hexxeh, oh that will be cheaper
[18:04] <beardface> like 5-10
[18:04] <beardface> send in google sketchup is easiest
[18:04] <beardface> alk_ i have not
[18:04] <alk_> beardface: considered it?
[18:04] <alk_> it's the best I've seen
[18:04] <beardface> yes, if the model was public
[18:04] <alk_> is it not
[18:04] <beardface> exactly
[18:05] <beardface> :)
[18:05] <alk_> shame :)
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[18:06] <wcchandler> mmm where's lulzsec when you need 'em to ddos raspi's new server -- on the premise that they're not giving the devices away cheaply enough? (joking as a direct reflection of their incident with PBS)
[18:07] <piofcube> Shame they didn't replace the forums while they were moving over
[18:08] <beardface> hexxeh shoot me an email at justin@hawkinsoft.com with your file
[18:08] <Hexxeh> beardface: Don't think I could create the design very well tbh
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[18:08] <beardface> k
[18:08] <Hexxeh> Cheers anyway :)
[18:08] <Hexxeh> I suspect someone will start a business designing cases to order though eventually
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[18:09] <piofcube> I hope we get a community of 3D printers all around the world... Bring back the cottage industry but with a high-tech product :-)
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[18:16] <mkopack> Yeah, as they get cheaper to build, are able to work with more materials, and can be made larger in size, they're going to get more and more popular.
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[18:17] <jamesd256> I have been waiting for the right printer to come along before diving in
[18:17] <mkopack> I've heard of concepts where a large robot is brought to a house construction site and "3D prints" a house shell out of special forms of concrete??? Get the whole shell (without roof, or maybe with?) done in 1 day.
[18:17] <jamesd256> I found out about the printrbot the other day
[18:18] <jamesd256> very large print area, simple construction, low price
[18:18] <mkopack> And then they just finish off the inside and stucco the outside
[18:18] <Gadget-Mac> Ah, mkopack just the person
[18:18] <mkopack> james: Yeah, right now they're about as expensive as a good workgroup color multifunction laser printer...
[18:18] <jamesd256> only like the pi, not available until probably may-ish
[18:18] <mkopack> Hey Gadget
[18:19] <Gadget-Mac> Response from the Slice of Pi people
[18:19] <Gadget-Mac> "The Slice will run parallel to the main board at a distance of 11.04mm, we are to include both halves of the header as I???m lead to believe the GPIO header is not installed by default.
[18:19] <mkopack> What'd they say?
[18:19] <Gadget-Mac>
[18:19] <Gadget-Mac> If someone needs more height (perhaps having installed something in the CSI) then Arduino stacked headers are a great way to temporarily add height and are easily available. Being 2.54mm spaced they???ll be 101 other ways to achieve the same outcome."
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[18:20] <mkopack> Ok, cool. I was mostly worried what they included wasn't going to clear over the top of the CSI port??? Sounds like it will. I doubt I'd use the CSI port for anything...
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[18:20] <Gadget-Mac> Looks good.
[18:20] <mkopack> Thanks for tracking that down for me. If you talk to them again, tell them I'm looking forward to getting it (and my Pi)!
[18:20] <Gadget-Mac> Hopefully once I've got my Pi, I'll get a 1-wire board out of the door. It is reliant on having i2c though
[18:23] <mkopack> Yeah, I think we're going to see a flurry of activity of 3rd party hardware come out quickly after people start getting their hands on the RPi boards
[18:23] <Hourd> i sure hope so
[18:23] <des2> Yeah it'll be like the Arduino
[18:23] <des2> A whole mini-industry
[18:23] <mkopack> DES: We can only hope!
[18:24] <mkopack> will just make the Rpi that much more useful
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[18:25] <Hourd> funily enough i should have an arduino emga arriving tomorow
[18:25] <Hourd> *mega
[18:25] <des2> For a second I thought emga was a new model.
[18:25] <Hourd> lol
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[18:26] <mkopack> Hourd: Love the Mega!
[18:27] <Hourd> oh?
[18:27] <mkopack> Yeah, just nice having so many digital IO pins, and ports and such to work with!
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[18:29] <Hourd> yeah thats the only reason i bought it
[18:29] <Hourd> more pins
[18:29] <Hourd> i ran out on my uno pretty fast
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[18:30] <mkopack> Yeah, Uno is great for small things, but it's rather limiting
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[18:31] <Hourd> well my robot is going to be a bit of a sensor whore so MOAR I/O!
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[18:33] <mkopack> Hourd: I know the feeling :)
[18:34] <mkopack> If I can ever get some damn free time from Grad school I need to get back to work on mine. I still need to wire up some sharp digital IR sensors and figure out how to get the wheel encoders onto the proper pins of the Mega to do interrupts so I can count off the encoders...
[18:35] <Hourd> i'm using steppers :P
[18:36] <mkopack> Eh, I need fast speed???
[18:37] <mkopack> I'm using 1:33 (although if I get everything working I might move up to 1:50 or even 1:100 speed micro gear motors)
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[18:43] <Hourd> you can get steppers to go damn fast
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[18:44] <mkopack> yeah, but the torque curve on the drops off real bad as you get them going faster
[18:45] <mkopack> unless I'm confusing those with servos
[18:45] <jamesd256> home time \o/
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[18:46] <Hourd> yeah i know that hehe
[18:46] <Hourd> i need precice movement
[18:47] <Hourd> but they *can* go fast
[18:48] <mkopack> I see steppers are being good for arm joints or articulated sensors, motors better for wheels/drive??? but all depends on what you're doing
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[18:50] <mkopack> I also need to figure out how to do Lock Anti-phase PWM with the Arduino motor shield??? I'm just doing normal straight PID control right now and when I tell the motor "go to 0" there's a lot of lag where it doesn't immediately stop and so I'm getting way off where I should be
[18:50] <Hexxeh> What's the fastest known working SD card for the Pi?
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[18:53] <SpEcTo> considering no one has a production Pi :P
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[18:54] <mkopack> Unknown...
[18:54] <haltdef> I've given up on SDs
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[18:54] <haltdef> nobody benchmarks randoms, even if they did it seems they vary massively between batches of the same model
[18:54] <haltdef> will just have my rootfs on a usb hd
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[18:56] <mkopack> We still don't know if the Class 10's will work right or not in the Rpi
[18:57] <mkopack> I went with a Class 4 since I knew that would be safe (as would a 6)
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[18:58] <mkopack> lars: lol, we ALL are!
[18:58] <Hexxeh> they should start arriving next week afaik
[18:58] <lars_t_h> mkopack, so true
[18:58] <Hexxeh> got an email saying mine would be delivered on monday
[18:58] <mkopack> delivered, or shipped?
[18:58] <Hexxeh> ordering all my parts off amazon ready
[18:58] <Hexxeh> delivered apparently
[18:59] <mkopack> nice!
[18:59] <mkopack> we expect reports!!! and pics!!!
[18:59] <Hexxeh> sounds reasonable enough considering they're supposed to have them in their warehouses around about now
[18:59] <des2> Party at Hexxeh's house - he's supplying the Pi!!
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[19:00] <Hexxeh> what's the expanded size of the OS images posted currently?
[19:00] <Hexxeh> 4GB?
[19:00] <SpEcTo> 4gb?
[19:00] <SpEcTo> I think
[19:00] <mkopack> LOL!!!! When they did the server switchover earlier today - they were down for 5 minutes and got 30,000 hits to the site!
[19:00] <Hexxeh> don't really think it's worth buying anything bigger if that's all they are
[19:00] <Hexxeh> ChromeOS fits happily on 4GB with PLENTY of space to spare
[19:00] <SpEcTo> you can always expand if you need it
[19:00] <Hexxeh> In fact, I think it's just over 2GB
[19:01] <mkopack> The debian one is 3GB.. don't know about the others. But after install it was already 85% full
[19:01] <Hexxeh> Couple of 4GBs and an 8GB should do, then
[19:01] <mkopack> didn't really leave much room for installing anything else
[19:01] <mkopack> Glad I picked up a 16GB SD for my Pi
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[19:01] <des2> 16 gb ? Does that work ?
[19:01] <mkopack> yup
[19:02] <mkopack> supposed to
[19:02] <Hexxeh> what are transcend cards like?
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[19:10] <des2> Apparently they transcend description.
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[19:13] <chris_99> i got one for my camera seems pretty good when i shoot HD with it
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[19:13] <chris_99> haven't tried it for anything else though, Hexxeh
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[19:16] <des2> Apple announces new Apple TV - finally does 1080p
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[19:16] <oldman> Will the drivers in the 2 distro's which have been released be similar to the x86 distro,s
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[19:18] <zgreg> oldman: what you mean?
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[19:18] <rm> the new server has 100GB of RAM
[19:18] <rm> that's pretty impressive
[19:18] <chris_99> he means will it have the same drivers as the x86 version i guess, zgreg
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[19:19] <des2> Yeah that's a lot of ram
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[19:19] <rm> most likelt it's 96GB though, using 6x16GB sticks
[19:19] <rm> ly*
[19:20] <chris_99> can you get 16GB sticks
[19:20] <oldman> I have a Belkin dongle which is not in the list of supported devices. It does however work on all the x86 linux distro's I have tried . I suspect it will work on the pi.
[19:20] <des2> Yes, pricey
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[19:21] <des2> http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT204872BV1067Q
[19:22] <chris_99> wow nice
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[19:24] <des2> So Apple TV is still $99 but finally does 1080p
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[19:39] <SpEcTo> meh
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[19:43] <mkopack> hehe, we must all be watching the apple event :)
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[19:59] <IT_Sean> It is far too quiet in here.
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[20:00] <PaulFertser> KAAABOOOOM
[20:00] <SpEcTo> bated anticipation
[20:00] <IT_Sean>
[20:00] <mkopack> ?
[20:00] <mkopack> lol
[20:00] <PaulFertser> BTW, can anyone share a link to the RPi discussion mailing list pretty please?
[20:00] * IT_Sean shrugs
[20:00] <IT_Sean> PaulFertser: it's on the top of the homepage
[20:01] <mkopack> Eh, that mailing list is basically useless. there's ZERO traffic on it
[20:01] <mkopack> it was only intended to announce the product release??? and it didn't even do that
[20:02] <PaulFertser> IT_Sean: ahem, is it a public discussion one? I'd like to be able to post there, and search through the archives, well, you know, as with other mailing lists :)
[20:02] <mkopack> Paul :I don't think that mailing list is what you're wanting or thinking it is
[20:02] <IT_Sean> PaulFertser: no, it is not
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[20:03] <IT_Sean> you should probably look at the forum, for that sort of thing
[20:03] <mkopack> Paul: the best source of info is the forums
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[20:03] <PaulFertser> IT_Sean: webforums are so clumsy...
[20:03] <PaulFertser> I mean i'd like to join the community and i have some experience to share, you know.
[20:04] <mkopack> Paul ,again, sorry, but the forums are your best bet.. or come in here and chat
[20:04] <PaulFertser> But webforums are out of the question for any serious communication, we all know that.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> If you want to join the community, join the forum. The mailing list is not the sort of mailing list you are thinking of.
[20:04] <_av500_> may the forum be with you
[20:04] <IT_Sean> There is the IRC channel, which you are in now, and there is the forum. That's the community.
[20:05] <mkopack> Personally I HATE mailing lists??? 99% of what you get on them is stuff ou don't care about??? And if you get it in digest form, you get the messages a day later and the discussion is usually over before you can join in
[20:05] <PaulFertser> IT_Sean: i won't be joining the forum, i've had enough at "talks.maemo.org" already, sorry. That just can't work, the UI is not in any way useable.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Then i guess you are buggered.
[20:05] <PaulFertser> mkopack: no, you shouldn't get digest. If you do not need some particular thread, you just "kill" all the thread, it's easy with any sane MUA.
[20:06] <PaulFertser> IT_Sean: i think there's a reason all the kernel folks are communicating using plain old e-mails and MLs.
[20:07] <mkopack> Sorry, but I prefer web forums..
[20:07] <mkopack> Or worst case, something like the Yahoo Groups??? (which you CAN get mailed to you)...
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[20:07] <_av500_> or Googlegroups
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[20:08] <PaulFertser> Come on, it's like you've never participated in a real free software project...
[20:08] <_av500_> PaulFertser: some people like forums
[20:08] <_av500_> you dont, I dont, but some do
[20:09] <Hexxeh> imo forum with a subscribe option is the best solution
[20:09] <PaulFertser> _av500_: i'd appreciate it if you name some prominent developers among them.
[20:09] <_av500_> PaulFertser: ??
[20:10] <PaulFertser> _av500_: i mean if no real devs like forums then there must be a reason for that. They usually like using good tools, if ML is preferred, that's a decent hint that's a good tool, don't you think so?
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[20:10] <ewan> haha, ML.
[20:10] <_av500_> PaulFertser: maybe, but the people here like forums
[20:10] <_av500_> you can argue with them
[20:10] <_av500_> you can start a ML
[20:10] <PaulFertser> Oh, may i reall?
[20:11] * PaulFertser likes arguing with people ;)
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[20:12] <PaulFertser> btw, is there anybody here going to implement an SPI driver? I think i haven't found one in the sources.
[20:12] <mkopack> Paul: to each their own??? Just because some programming idol of yours prefers mailing lists (because he's probably a command line weenie and prefers living in text mode all the time) doesn't mean it's better or worse than other options, it just means that's what they're most comfortable with. Some people like IDE's, some swear by EMACS/VI??? Some prefer X desktops, some prefer doing everything command line. It's all about personal
[20:12] <mkopack> preference.
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[20:14] <PaulFertser> mkopack: i do not have any idols. I just had a chance to use both forums and MLs and i clearly see _many_ important technical advantages for the second. It just wastes less time and allows for more productive discussion. That's my personal experience.
[20:14] <PaulFertser> And i have a clear explanation to this "phenomen".
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[20:15] <conra> http://rpiforum.pl <- Board for polish community :)
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[20:16] <mkopack> Well, that's your opinion, and that's fine.. But the fact is, right now, for the RPi community, it's the forums and here??? Someobdy else who comes in here had put up a site for Rpi development, but I don't remember the link. Maybe they set up a mailing list on there?
[20:16] <PaulFertser> elinux?
[20:17] <mkopack> No, there was another one??? Help me out here guys??? it was the site somebody in here put up, was all raspberry background colored???
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[20:17] <PaulFertser> mkopack: btw, it's not just "some programming idol". Can you name any well-established developer who prefers web-forums to MLs? I mean everybody i know or heard of doesn't.
[20:18] <mkopack> No because I really don't give a flying F about other devs. I know of Torvalds and that's about it. don't really care what other people use. I use what *I* like
[20:18] <PaulFertser> How do you send patches then? :D
[20:18] <mkopack> I don't???
[20:18] <PaulFertser> Ok
[20:18] <EricBetts> PaulFertser: you're arguing with the wrong people, we're not in control of the existance of the forum
[20:18] <mkopack> Not everyone is a Linux kernel hacker
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[20:20] <mkopack> Here's that site I was talking about ??? https://www.rpi-developers.com/
[20:20] <mkopack> It's still very much a work in progress
[20:20] <mkopack> Doesn't look like there's a mailing list on there though
[20:21] <PaulFertser> CVS and Subversion, duh
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[20:21] <mkopack> Oh dear god...
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[20:22] <mkopack> You're one of THOSE types, aren't you? Linux elitist snob who thinks if it's not what Linus uses it must be old crap...
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[20:22] <Gadget-Mac> Odd, I thought the idea of RPi was to make computing simple again :)
[20:22] <mkopack> there's NOTHING wrong with CVS or SVN??? If they do the job you need them to do, what's the problem?
[20:22] <piofcube> now I'm confused... You can't link to or otherwise use CVS or subversion if you are not subscribed to a ML?
[20:23] <mkopack> They're well supported
[20:23] <mkopack> Gadget: exactly??? geesh
[20:23] <Gadget-Mac> How many 7-14 year olds use a ML ?
[20:23] <ironzorg> hah mkopack
[20:23] <ironzorg> obviously has not gotten out of his cave yet ;)
[20:23] <mkopack> pio: No, he's just being snobbish about what tools are used on that site??? He must want GIt or one of the other newer tools???
[20:24] <mkopack> And he wants a mailing list instead of the forums...
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[20:24] <mkopack> Doesn't feel "real" developers use web forums or CVS or SVN...
[20:24] <ironzorg> git is 6 years old
[20:25] <mkopack> (Funny that I've been working as a professional developer for 15+ years, at Fortune 100 companies and they've ALL used CVS/SVN and it's worked just fine???)
[20:25] <piofcube> Okay...
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[20:25] <PaulFertser> mkopack: of course, no. I've used cvs and svn for quite some time. There're also other decent DVCS's, git is not the only one. But man, if you only knew how awesome it is really for many kind of usecases...
[20:25] <ironzorg> who let the web devs in here btw ?
[20:25] <IT_Sean> it wasn't me
[20:25] <mkopack> lol
[20:26] <PaulFertser> mkopack: DVCS are cool not because they're new. But because they give plenty of opportunities and flexibility that's not possible with svn.
[20:26] <mkopack> Paul :that's fine.. but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the others that you need to go turn your nose up at them??? You're welcome to your preferences. And if you don't like what that site uses, don't use that site. If you really want an Rpi mailing list, MAKE ONE! Nobody is stopping you
[20:27] * piofcube wonders how easily we could get uses to comprehend something like Synaptic Package Manager... never mind these things...
[20:28] <piofcube> user**
[20:28] <mkopack> Fact is, we're going to be getting a big mixture of total newbs and very experienced people in the community very soon and we're going to have to learn to live and work together
[20:28] <Hexxeh> Hmm, I'm not so familiar with ARM. Do armv5 binaries work on armv6 chips?
[20:28] <_av500_> yes
[20:28] <PaulFertser> mkopack: i'd expect that if the foundation has time, energy and resources to "waste" on the webforums it can also provide a hosting for a ML. I do not have a spare hosting unfortunately.
[20:28] <_av500_> most do
[20:28] <mkopack> The newbs need to tell the experts where the instructions aren't clear, where they need to do better explaining things, or where the rough spots are. The experts need to learn not to get frustrated with the newbs...
[20:29] <Hexxeh> Hmm, interesting. Might be able to use that to workaround a toolchain bug for now.
[20:29] <IT_Sean> PaulFertser: It has nothing to do with time. The Foundation has a forum. They do not need a mailinglist.
[20:29] <piofcube> Hexxeh: You got to cross-post on the armv5 and armv6 at the same time... thought should do the trick ;-)
[20:29] <piofcube> Hexxeh: The ML I mean LOL
[20:29] <PaulFertser> mkopack: i did quite some amount of technical support and wrote wiki pages with explanations etc. I have some experience dealing with "newbs". But only those willing to learn.
[20:30] <Hexxeh> Gah, bugger. armv5 toolchain build fails with same problem... :(
[20:30] <mkopack> Paul: that wasn't directed at you, BTW??? Just saying in general
[20:30] <Hexxeh> {standard input}:355: Error: lo register required -- `add pc,r3,#(0xffff0fc0-0xffff0fff)'
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[20:32] <piofcube> Paul: If you are interested in doing something with the R-Pi... go ahead... If there's something you really think every R-Pi user/dev needs which isn't already done... Do it and let us know about it either here on the forums... *no sarcasm meant*
[20:33] <PaulFertser> piofcube: e.g. i noticed some strange discrepancies about the connector for the extension boards on the wiki. But i have zero clue about with whom to discuss it, no idea how to get to the HW guys from the foundation whatsoever.
[20:34] <PaulFertser> piofcube: btw, i've already drawn a KiCAD symbol for that and added to the wiki. My first humble contribution but probably it'll help at least a little bit.
[20:34] <piofcube> So.. ask here and if we know we can tell you or point you in the right direction....
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[20:35] <piofcube> You mean the gertboard I assume?
[20:35] <PaulFertser> piofcube: i was told to contact "Gert" but that was about it.
[20:35] <lars_t_h> PaulFertser, KiCAD is a very good tool, i used it for my bachelors degree in engineering
[20:36] <PaulFertser> piofcube: i think they meant its creator.
[20:36] <mkopack> Paul :What's the question/issue?
[20:36] <mkopack> (WE) read the forums a lot and might know the answer based on what's posted there...
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[20:37] <mkopack> And, yes, Gert is a good person to contact regarding the hardware as he's had a lot of direct interaction with the Foundation and is working on an expansion board (GertBoard)
[20:37] <PaulFertser> mkopack: the nice coloured picture is inconsistent. It mentions GPIO number that is assigned to I2C, and mentions I2C SDA as if it were two different pins.
[20:37] <mkopack> But Gert is also SUPER busy so not always fast about getting back to people
[20:37] <PaulFertser> mkopack: and the coloured picture doesn't match the table below.
[20:37] <mkopack> Hmm.. k
[20:38] <mkopack> I vaguely remember that picture??? Where was it? wiki?
[20:38] <mkopack> Could just be a transcription error...
[20:38] <PaulFertser> mkopack: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[20:39] <PaulFertser> GPIO1 and SCL0 is the same pin according to the datasheet
[20:39] <PaulFertser> The table at least looks consistent.
[20:41] <Gadget-Mac> GPIO gets really useful when i2c and spi drivers appear
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[20:41] <PaulFertser> Gadget-Mac: even without that you can bitbang.
[20:41] <mkopack> Ok, I think that's because the pins are dual use. you can either use them as I2C OR as GPIO
[20:41] <mkopack> They aren't fixed dedicated I2C
[20:41] <PaulFertser> mkopack: have you seen the table in the datasheet?
[20:41] <piofcube> The legend under the diagram is "the layout of the Rpi GPIO's, not colour coded to the table"
[20:42] <mkopack> Haven't bothered looking through the data sheet (nothing in there I'd really have a use for at this time)
[20:42] <PaulFertser> I have. The coloured diagram doesn't make sense if i understand it right. I would appreciate somebody correcting me.
[20:42] <Gadget-Mac> PaulFertser: Does but bang still work if you've got an application that looks for /dev/i2c/ for example
[20:43] <PaulFertser> Gadget-Mac: do you mean you want me to check if there's an i2c host gpio-lib bitbanging driver present in upstream?
[20:44] <Gadget-Mac> No idea. Does that help ?
[20:44] <PaulFertser> Gadget-Mac: yes, there is: CONFIG_I2C_GPIO
[20:45] <Gadget-Mac> ok.
[20:46] <PaulFertser> So the answer is that yes, it'll work once you add some minimal platform data to bind the driver to the right GPIOs.
[20:48] <PaulFertser> Of course same about SPI, there's CONFIG_SPI_GPIO.
[20:49] <mkopack> Right, it's all a matter of setting up the config to tell it how to use the GPIO pins.
[20:50] <mkopack> There's actually a 2nd i2c interface on there as well, if you config the pins the right waty
[20:50] <mkopack> 
[20:50] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: Quick head up, just be aware that there's a limit of 50ma on the 3v3 pin, xbee might be on the mlimit
[20:50] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: oh, 2nd i2c ?
[20:50] <mkopack> That's what http://elinux.org/Rpi_Hardware is showing??? don't know how accurate that is though
[20:51] <mkopack> Gadget: yeah, thanks for that heads up...
[20:51] <PaulFertser> Also, it doesn't look like writing a real driver would be terribly difficult.
[20:51] <mkopack> Gadget: That's going to be on a pin by pin basis though, (50ma) ??? I believe that's what the limit is on the Arduino as well. so if it works on arduino I'm sure it'll work on the Rpi as well
[20:52] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: no the 3v3 pin
[20:52] <mkopack> Oh, gotchya
[20:52] <mkopack> Yeah, I was just going to say, depends on what the power pin can deliver
[20:52] <mkopack> Guess I'll just have to wait and see...
[20:52] <mkopack> If it doesn't work, not the end of the world??? It was only $8 shipped...
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[20:53] <PaulFertser> mkopack: according to my understanding the second I2C interface is in fact inaccessible.
[20:53] <mkopack> Ah, k, that might be old info in that wiki then
[20:53] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: sure, be interested to hear you reports. Although I've got one on order as well
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[20:53] <mkopack> Probably is old since it also lists I2S which was removed
[20:54] <mkopack> Gadget: So just will come down to who gets their RPi + slice first :)
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[20:54] <mkopack> (You'll probably figure out how to get at the Xbee interface before I will)
[20:55] <Gadget-Mac> Shame there's not a second serial port :(
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[21:00] <GabrialDestruir> Is google broken for anyone else?
[21:00] <GabrialDestruir> Or is it just me?
[21:00] <DaQatz> !g Is google broken?
[21:00] <PiBot> DaQatz: http://searchengineland.com/is-google-broken-sites-big-small-seeing-indexing-problems-53701 - "Is Google Broken? Sites Big &amp; Small Seeing Indexing Problems"
[21:00] <Faperdaper> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ ;)
[21:00] <DaQatz> Faperdaper is a bot?
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[21:00] * Faperdaper is a bot
[21:01] <cornet> haha
[21:01] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:01] <Faperdaper> Lol no. I'm not a bot.
[21:01] <DaQatz> Ah okies
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[21:01] <DaQatz> Looked like you responded to the google search
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[21:02] <Faperdaper> Could be some delay. In my client is shows me giving the first answer
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir> I hate this god forsaken internet
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[21:05] <GabrialDestruir> What do politicians and sperm have in common?
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir> About one in every 500 or 600 million have a chance of becoming a human
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[21:06] <mkopack> LOL
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[21:07] <mkopack> too bad we can't have politician abortions!
[21:07] <mkopack> There's a few that have gone WAY past their term
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[21:08] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder when political life starts, at conception of the idea of being a politic?
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[21:10] <mkopack> lol??? I think it's the second you accept money from somebody to pay for your campaign
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[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> What is the relationship between a raspberry's circumference and its radius?
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[21:12] <GabrialDestruir> Raspberry Pi >.>
[21:13] <mkopack> *THAT* is the #1 problem IMO with politics???.. And why I think all campaigns should be publicly funded. You get so many signatures on the petition to get added to the ballot and BOOM you're given $x to use for your campaign. Everyone gets the same amount. No outside or personal funding. Level playing field. Nobody can runs ads on your behalf or anything like that. If you make it through the primaries, and you are the candidate, you ge
[21:13] <mkopack> another allotment to use towards the general election
[21:13] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
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[21:13] <GabrialDestruir> Just be smart about it, don't use any funds.
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> Don't make speeches....
[21:14] <mkopack> That way it's more about your message and your record and less about who can fund raise the most or get the most influential financial backers. You can't just outspend your opposition to win
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> or promises
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[21:14] <mkopack> And you're also not indebted to any special interests for helping you get into office
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> Then stuff the ballot boxes >.>
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> I mean uhm
[21:14] <mkopack> LOL
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[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> Give me sixty million dollars and I'll give people hope...
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> I'll send a dollar to ever household in america >.>
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[21:18] <mkopack> Worked for Obama!
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir> every*
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[21:18] <mkopack> Um, that wouldn't even get $1 to each household
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[21:18] <Kyzz> lol
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[21:18] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.... so some people would get screwed.... it's america, we can't be perfect :p
[21:19] <mkopack> lol, somebody will b*tch??? They ALWAYS do
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[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> You could take 311,591,917 dollars approximately and give one to have person in the US and they'd still bitch :p
[21:20] <mkopack> yup
[21:21] <mkopack> "Why does the rich person get the same amount as me? I'm poor?"
[21:21] <mkopack> "Why does the poor person get the money? He didn't work for it like I did!"
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[21:21] <mkopack> Middle class" Why the hell are you giving this to anybody? Shouldn't we be paying down the debt???"
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> Hell.... you could take 311,591,917,000,000,000 dollars and give each person 1,000,000,000 and there would be bitching....
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> Mind you.... at that point you've got bigger issues than keeping people happy....
[21:22] <mkopack> Trying to keep people happy is why we're in the financial mess we're in...
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> Like firing the idiot who came up with the idea in the first place xD
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[21:22] <mkopack> Spend spend spend to keep people happy and voting you back into office
[21:23] <mkopack> never mind how we're going to PAY for it
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[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> I know how >.>
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> It'd work too....
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> Sort of
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[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> Seize all of Apple, and Microsofts Assets >.>
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[21:24] <mkopack> Hehe, wouldn't even make a dent
[21:24] <joohoo340> ^^
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> Probably not xD
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> But it's a nice thought....
[21:24] <mkopack> You realize we're 14.5 TRILLION in the hole...
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[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I know.
[21:25] <mkopack> I get BEYOND annoyed when I hear them talk about how they're going to reduce the DEFICIT??? NOT BALANCE the budget??? Not get a SURPLUS in the budget so we can pay some of the debt off??? no??? REDUCE THE budget DEFICIT (i.e., KEEP going into the hole, just not quite as much...)
[21:26] <mkopack> And they act like what they're doing is so fantastic and great and a huge accomplishment
[21:26] <joohoo340> yeah well people hear the word reduce and they just assume
[21:27] <mkopack> yup
[21:27] <mkopack> morons
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> I'm pretty sure short of just defaulting we have no chance to get out of debt.... and even defaulting would screw us over.
[21:27] <mkopack> Nah, it's possible, but we need to SERIOUSLY scale back gov spending and get a big economic recovery going
[21:27] <joohoo340> well its not like other countries havn't done this
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> Well all our major money from my understanding is Social Security and Military....
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> major spending*
[21:28] <mkopack> We have the gov doing WAY too much crap that it has no business getting involved with??? Mostly because somebody somewhere along the way cried foul and said "why isn't the government doing something about it" and so suddenly there's a new agency to take care of that.
[21:28] <mkopack> Yeah, SS+Military are the 2 biggest chunks...
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[21:28] <markus__> hello
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[21:28] <DaQatz> mkopack to do what you're saying we would have to fire everyone in washington
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[21:29] <Spanky99> The goose is cooked gentlemen. Bond default and/or hyperinflation is the only solution. Get prepared. We're just buying time right now.
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[21:29] <mkopack> I LAUGH when people say "Get rid of NASA. they waste so much money"??? Yeah, it's 1% of the budget??? and their spending causes a 50:1 economic multiplier in the economy??? Taking that 1% and spending it on domestic programs wouldn't even make a dent
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> AT this point I think we should fire everyone in washington regardless, they're not fixing anything
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> just busy arguing about how to fix it
[21:30] <markus__> I'm trying debian and archlinux with qemu. I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0). It worked once but no luck since then.
[21:30] <mkopack> Military DOEs need to get seriously scaled back??? and SS needs to be seriously restructured.. And they need to make it where that fund can NOT be touched by congress at all???
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[21:30] <markus__> Anyone who knows what's wrong? The command i issued can be found on this link: http://nasberrypi.org/2012/03/qemu-virtual-raspberrypi/
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[21:31] <markus__> I also used the kernel from the link above.
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[21:31] <mkopack> markus: Hmm. I've used the Debian before??? I used these directions: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/
[21:31] <GabrialDestruir> Halve the military spending, increase taxes for that 1% with all the money so it's more on par with your average citizen. By raising taxes on the wealthy we could probably with the right budget cuts and budget reorganizations start working our way out of debt.
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[21:32] <markus__> mkopack: thanks, i'll take look.
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[21:33] <mkopack> Gab: Eh, the problem is you can't just suddenly massively cut gov spending. It has to be drawn down gradually. The impact to the economy if it was done suddenly would put the economy in shambles since the Gov is the #1 buyer of goods and services.
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[21:33] <mkopack> It needs to be drawn down over a 10-15 year period so the impact isn't so sudden and businesses that survive by selling to the gov (like the one I work for) could move their work to more private sector customers and needs
[21:33] <GabrialDestruir> Not massively cut, but you could probably massively restructure current spending.
[21:34] <markus__> Why does it need to be drawn down in the first place?
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[21:34] <mkopack> Certainly pulling all our troops out of Europe, pulling back bases and such would help.
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[21:34] <mkopack> markus: need to drastically reduce federal spending
[21:34] <markus__> ok, why?
[21:34] <markus__> increase taxes? :)
[21:34] <mkopack> because, we're like 14.5 TRILLION in debt right now and keep going in the hole
[21:35] <mkopack> And doing THAT will ALSO kill the economy
[21:35] <markus__> are you american?
[21:35] <mkopack> It needs to be a little of each.. Not one or the other
[21:35] <mkopack> yes
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> Why raise taxes in an economy in which people can barely afford to live as it is.
[21:35] <markus__> maybe, but it won't kill people. It's not like USA has high taxes.
[21:35] <markus__> because common spending is more cost effective.
[21:36] <mkopack> You can't just increase it on the rich - they're the ones who spend the most which keeps many of us employed and they create new jobs. Can't do it to the poor because they can't afford it as it is.
[21:36] <mkopack> It needs to go up a bit??? Not some drastic 50% increase on just the rich...
[21:36] <markus__> Create new job. Why? it's not like we need jobs. we need houses to live in and stuff to eat. not job
[21:36] <mkopack> They already pay for 51% of the tax revenue
[21:36] <Da|Mummy> if the rich are such job creators, why are so many people out of a job?
[21:36] <Thorn_> 95% tax on the rich imo
[21:37] <mkopack> markus: if I have a job I can afford to buy a house and food
[21:37] <markus__> if lack of jobs was a problem, dig a hole
[21:37] <IT_Sean> urrrrrrrrrft.
[21:37] <mkopack> If I don't, I have to suck on the gov tit to get assistance for those things
[21:37] * IT_Sean bloody hates political debate
[21:37] <mkopack> Yeah, let's just drop this
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[21:37] <Da|Mummy> ron paul 2012!
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[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sorry... don't create new jobs? That's... just stupid...
[21:39] <joohoo340> can anyone help markus__
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> By creating jobs, people will actually afford places to live, meaning the housing Booms we had a few years ago could actually be useful.
[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> As opposed to houses just sitting empty cause people can't afford them.
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[21:40] <markus__> joohoo340: with what? i already got a link
[21:40] <joohoo340> oo ok i looked away for a sec I thought you got lost in the mess
[21:41] <mkopack> markus: No promises that that will help, but that's the instructions I followed to get it working.
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[21:41] <mkopack> I haven't tried the Arch Linux build yet
[21:42] <markus__> i will do it now.
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[21:44] <mkopack> would think the work for getting things set up initially would be the same, just pointing at the different image and kernel
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[21:44] <mkopack> Make sure the kernel you use has been modified for use on QEMU - the base one for the RPi won't work.
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[21:48] <markus__> Yay! It's booting. But I used another kernel before. I will try with the old command and image (without extracting rootfs first as .ext3/.ext4)
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[21:50] <mkopack> Well, good luck. Glad that at least got you moving forward
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[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder... if I say I'm only paying a little attention to the presidential election.... does that mean that they'll show me more adds for that?
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Or vice versa?
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> ads*
[21:50] <mkopack> lol...
[21:50] <mkopack> Probably means they'll show you MORE to get your attention
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[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> Oh ffs xD
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[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> Actually I haven't seen any presidential ads on Hulu before...
[21:52] <mkopack> The primary here in GA was yesterday??? I seriously had 10 calls on my home phone answering machine when I got home??? DELETE ???DELETE.DELETE
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[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> I live in California...
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> so it's not like my vote really counts for anything anyways
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[21:55] <Henchman21> anyone elses bank account get hit with two 1$ verification charges from newark?
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[21:57] <Henchman21> mkopack: i've been sending all my houseline calls to asterisk music on hold
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[21:58] <acfrazier> ordered my iPad 3
[21:58] <acfrazier> that was painless.. unlike some things
[21:58] <mkopack> LOL??? well, I use the house number as my honeypot for businesses to contact me on??? I NEVER answer that phone.
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[21:59] <markus__> acfrazier: but it's quite expensive for a mirror
[21:59] <mkopack> ac: LOL, I have a buddy who's desperately trying to do that now.. I'm going to wait for the 4??? I have a 64GB 3g iPad 1 and it still works just fine. No real need to upgrade
[22:00] * mkopack thinks he needs to organize his bookmarks during spring break??? it's a Frickin mess
[22:01] <acfrazier> mkopack, the display.
[22:01] <acfrazier> I wouldn't buy a 3G version if you paid me though.
[22:01] <acfrazier> also I feel bad for the poor sap in here named g
[22:01] <mkopack> yeah, that's nice. but not enough of a difference to convince me to upgrade at this point??? For what I do with he iPad, the Gen1 is fine
[22:02] <mkopack> Well, when I bought it I really wanted the full GPS, so had to get the 3G??? I've NEVER turned that 3G on though :)
[22:02] <mkopack> I use a 4G mobile hotspot to connect my iPad, iPhone and Macbook when I'm out an about??? way cheaper than paying for a data plan for each
[22:02] <mkopack> (and FASTER)
[22:02] <acfrazier> yeah, funny thing is without cell service you don't get GPS.
[22:03] <rafal> hello! i received confirmation mail from farnell with estimated delivery date "W/C 4/06/2012". My question is, this date is in format mm/dd/yyyy or dd/mm/yyyy ? I'm curious, because i want to know when my RPi arrive :)
[22:03] <acfrazier> because the iPad 1 has the same thing as the 3G/3GS
[22:03] <acfrazier> AGPS.
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[22:03] <acfrazier> rafal this is not an official channel, email liz@raspberrypi.org
[22:03] <mkopack> Well, you get GPS with the 3G model even if the 3G data is turned off. If you get the wifi model, you don't get GPS at all, just wifi hotspot triangulation estimation
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't buy an iPad if you gave me a million bucks.
[22:03] <acfrazier> oh so we're back to this agaib
[22:03] <acfrazier> n
[22:03] <mkopack> rafal: LOL! OUCH! Good question!
[22:04] <mjr> GPS receivers are often bundled together with UMTS chipsets, so that's logical
[22:04] <mkopack> mjr: yeah
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir> dd/mm/yyyy
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir> Sorry
[22:04] <mkopack> Wow, so they're pushed out to june now??? damn!
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[22:05] <markus__> rafal: does anybody use mm/dd/yyyy?
[22:05] <mkopack> markus: yes, the USA
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> Americans :p
[22:05] <unreal-dude> lol @ play movies
[22:05] <koaschten> that's not an excuse, they use non-metric units too
[22:05] <unreal-dude> hrm, wrong chan, sry
[22:05] <koaschten> http://hell.fleshless.org/62b2f2b527c604429b6f1c1a62dfabd605c2419d.jpg
[22:06] <rafal> exacly, USA :)
[22:06] <mkopack> koasch: we TRIED to move to metric in the late 1970's??? Our parents couldn't figure it out so we never converted completely.. Much to my annoyance
[22:06] <markus__> Have you tried archlinux? I kind of like it without having used it ever. until today.
[22:06] <koaschten> mkopack :(
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[22:07] <mkopack> We still get taught metric in science class and such, but it's so hard to get prior generations to switch to metric because they're used to miles and such??? They don't get the conversion
[22:07] <mkopack> Metric is SO much easier though??? all base 10
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[22:08] <koaschten> someone has to force feed it else you will never do the change
[22:08] <rafal> ehh, if its dd/mm/yyyy, that mean i have to wait 3 months... ok nvm. thanks for answers :)
[22:08] <mkopack> markus: Yeah, I might give it a try. One advantage is that it will do hardware FP since you compile the code for the hardware you have...
[22:08] <mkopack> rafal: sorry we couldn't give you a better answer??? :(
[22:09] <mkopack> rafal: Get on Farnell's site and do the live chat with their representative and ask for clarification on the date.
[22:09] <markus__> mkopack: isn't debian optimized, or will be, for raspberry pi also?
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[22:10] <mkopack> markus: Not yet it isn't. The problem with Debian is that it's all pre-compile packages, and what's int he repositories doesn't do hardware FP. It's all built for ARM5, not ARM6??? The only way to convert would be to recompile all the packages and upload them to the repository
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[22:11] <koaschten> or compile on the rpi from source :X
[22:11] <mkopack> That's what the Fedora guys have been doing all this time - compiling to make things support hardware FP...
[22:11] <markus__> mkopack: so i guess archlinux has a repo just for rpi or similar hardware?
[22:11] <mkopack> koasch: Yup, so Arch or Gentoo or something like that.
[22:12] <mkopack> No, Arch builds from source (at least, that's my understanding).. The base image you're trying probably was already compiled for the Rpi, but anything you install on it from here on out I believe has to be compiled on the fly by your system FOR your system
[22:12] <rafal> mkopack: thanks for advice, i will ask. btw. do you know whats mean "W/C" before date?
[22:12] <mkopack> follow?
[22:12] <mkopack> Hmm...
[22:13] <mkopack> dunno
[22:13] <markus__> i don't know another way of building, than from source?
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[22:14] <mkopack> Markus What I mean is that with, say, debian, if you go to install a new package through apt-get, you're getting something that somebody already compiled. It might not be 100% optimized for your hardware, but it'll work.
[22:14] <GabrialDestruir> WC means like
[22:14] <mkopack> With others like Arch or Gentoo, when you go to install a new package, you're pulling down the source for that package and building it on your hardware so it can be specific to your hardware
[22:14] <GabrialDestruir> Week Commenced
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[22:14] <GabrialDestruir> so within the week off
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> week of*
[22:15] <mkopack> rafal: If yours is June, then that's the farthest out one I've seen anyone mention so far...
[22:15] <markus__> I didn't notice that my qemu-archlinux instance compiled any packages when i issued the pacman commands. i will try again.
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> It's not surprising really, with more and more orders the dates will get further and further back.
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[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> At this rate Farnell and RS will still be trying to catch up when the educational veresion is suppose to come out
[22:16] <markus__> http://archlinuxarm.org/ "We maintain packages built on the target device, for the target device. We build optimized packages for ARMv5te, ARMv7 Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 to use each platform to its potential."
[22:16] <koaschten> I have an order confirmation from farnell, but rs components didnt even follow up on their "registration"
[22:16] <mkopack> markus: well, maybe I'm wrong.. just going off what I read today. Never really messed with Arch before
[22:17] <markus__> I think you're right about gentoo.
[22:17] <GabrialDestruir> I mean.... it's only been about a week, yet they're four months behind?
[22:17] <mkopack> markus: Ok so is there some sort of option to pull the source and build using pacman? Sounds like what you were doing was just pulling the Armv5te builds...
[22:17] <markus__> i wonder how many rpis that will be produced this year.
[22:18] <GabrialDestruir> As they start arriving and more info gets out about them, I expect the number of purchases to grow exponentially
[22:18] <mkopack> Well, production should ramp up quite a bit??? What we saw earlier today was a post where Liz said that RS + Farnell are initially using the same fab line that the RPi foundation contracted with in China, but they're also working on standing up their own lines as well.
[22:19] <markus__> mkopack: i issued "pacman -S lxde xorg-xinit xf86-video-fbdev" and it completed in about a minute or two.
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[22:19] <mkopack> Gab: yes and no, There's going to be ton of people who don't realize this thing won't run x86 or Windows and such, or how much slower it is than a typical computer. They just see the $35 price tag. Many of those, as they realize what it really is, will be turned off by it
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[22:20] <koaschten> rafal http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43262/l/frequently-asked-questions-about-raspberry-pi
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[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> Bah
[22:21] <mkopack> So while there will be some expansion of interest as more info about them gets out, there will also be a number of people who will be turned off by it.
[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't trust that FAQ for anything -.-
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[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> It says if you ordered from farnell you could all your local branch's support... aka newark and they could help you out.
[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> Newark can't help for anything farnell
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be nice if they could drum up a little table that could give expected delivery dates...
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> Something like 1st Hour, 1st Batch, 2nd Hour, 2nd Batch
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> w/e
[22:23] <markus__> Why don't you calm down and play around with qemu instead. It's even cheaper.
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[22:24] <GabrialDestruir> Because it's a hassle?
[22:24] <markus__> Assuming you already have a computer.
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[22:24] <markus__> You have a point.
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[22:24] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HleoBkqnlI
[22:24] <rafal_> koaschten: yes, i saw this, but i receive confirmation ~2h ago, i hope this is error...
[22:25] <mkopack> I gave the QEMU a try just to see how the debian image was and to try installing a few things. But I couldn't figure out how to resize the image to a larger virtual SD card so I couldn't try some of the stuff I wanted to on it...
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[22:29] <rafal_> GabrialDestruir: i will ask my local farnell department, maybe they have more accurate information :)
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[22:29] <GabrialDestruir> From what I can tell, if you call farnell, they're telling people who've supposedly gotten march dates
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir> they're end of april now
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[22:30] <mkopack> I hope not! my newark date moved up from May11 --> April 3 --> March 30.
[22:31] <GabrialDestruir> wth
[22:31] <markus__> http://bayimg.com/hanAkaaDC <--- here's my virtual raspberry running a web browser under lxde / archlinuxarm
[22:31] <GabrialDestruir> my date hasn't changed at all, no update emails, nothing changing on their site
[22:31] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[22:31] <mkopack> markus: nice!
[22:31] <rafal_> this is the problem, because this is my 'first' delivery date (i ordered 3.3.2012) :(
[22:32] <mkopack> Yup, just checked again and still showing March 30
[22:32] <mkopack> this is the one I did the morning of the 29th direct link
[22:32] <mkopack> the other one I did using their "register interest" response is still showing May 14
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir> apparently newark is better at keeping their customers updated
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[22:33] <benvei> how do i recognice bad blocks @ the SD card?
[22:33] <_av500_> you dont
[22:33] <_av500_> the sd controller does that
[22:33] <GabrialDestruir> RASPBERRY-PI RASPBRRY-PCBA 1 Back order ??26.55 ??26.55 is what their site is still showing me
[22:33] <_av500_> if you have any trouble with a card, throw it away immediately
[22:34] <mkopack> RASPBERRY-PI
[22:34] <mkopack> RASPBRRY-PCBA 1 1 $35.00 Each
[22:34] <mkopack> Back Order
[22:34] <mkopack> Expected Ship Date 30 Mar 2012
[22:34] <_av500_> the controller on the card I mean
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir> 2081185 SBC, RASPBERRY PI, MODEL B 1 1 W/C 16/04/2012
[22:34] <mkopack> Is there some tool you can use for checking a card? I have a 4GB one I tried to use with the plug computer last night and it just did NOT like it at all
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir> and that's the last bit of info I got from farnell...
[22:35] <mkopack> Even had a hard time partitioning it in my Macbook
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[22:35] <hotwings> 3/1 order (not from interested email link) ship date 4/3. 3/3 order from interested email link, ship date 5/14.
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[22:35] <GabrialDestruir> When I emailed them, I didn't get so much as a "This is an Automated email we're looking over your concerns and should get back to you"
[22:36] <benvei> okay :) i think i'm going to build a RPI Server farm...
[22:36] <GabrialDestruir> how unprofessional .-.
[22:36] <rafal_> GabrialDestruir: when you ordered your RPi?
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> 2 hours after the damn thing went on sale from export.farnell .-.
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> I shoul dof just waited and went with newark apparently.
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> should of*
[22:37] <haltdef> oldish x86 machine will probably be cheaper, smaller and faster tbh
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> Last I checked you can't buy an x86 machine for 35 bucks...
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[22:38] <GabrialDestruir> at least, not one that doesn't need some major work to keep it alive.
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[22:38] <mkopack> halt: Yeah, we did the guestimation yesterday and it really doesn't make sense to cluster Rpi's together unless you're trying to learn about clustering??? It would take so many Rpi's to match any sort of modern X86 machine's performance that it's just too cost + power prohibitive to bother with clustering Rpi's.
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir> Yea clustering would probably be inefficient.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: It depedns.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: For some apps - random access of RAM - they may win.
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[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> I still think once they start arriving we should set to work on building a Raspberry Pi AI with Voice Recognition and decent voice synthesis
[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[22:40] <mkopack> Speed: maybe??? like if you needed to do something ARM specific (like big distributed ARM compiles) sure...
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[22:40] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Not quite - I don't mean platform specific.
[22:40] <mkopack> but If you're just wanting to host a website or do maybe a rendering farm, x86 will slaughter these things both on price and power. You just need too many RPi's to match it
[22:40] <mjr> No for clustering. Yes for ubicomp.
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Memory bandwidth for single bytes has remained essentially constant since 1980.
[22:41] <mkopack> true. so in that regard the Rpi might win out
[22:42] <mkopack> IIRC we determined that an RPi was roughly 1/100th the performance of a single core modern x86...
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> It varies on the tasks.
[22:42] <mkopack> (maybe it was 1/10, I can't remember)
[22:42] <unkle_george> curious how well powertop will work on the pi
[22:42] <piofcube> One place where it will win out is to add network support to hardware which doesn't have an ethernet port. Some big cost savings there... Not the same thing I know ;-)
[22:43] <mkopack> right, but just ball parking
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> unkle_george: not at all
[22:43] <unkle_george> does powertop read from a device that's not present on the pi?
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> unkle_george: It assumes x86 almost throughout.
[22:43] <_av500_> nope
[22:43] <_av500_> powertop runs fine on arm too
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> Hmm - diddn't when I tried.
[22:44] <mkopack> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerTOP
[22:44] <unkle_george> I can get it to run, but it complains about a kernel parameter
[22:44] <_av500_> there are patches versions at least
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> You're not referring to the one that was shipped by nokia?
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[22:44] <_av500_> i know nothing about nokia
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> k
[22:44] <PaulFertser> I'm using powertop-for-arm on ac100.
[22:44] <GabrialDestruir> To compare an ARM to a modern x86 wouldn't you need proper benchtests for both?
[22:44] <unkle_george> CONFIG_TIMER_STATS
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[22:45] <markus___> Hello there. This is from archlinuxarm.
[22:45] <_av500_> GabrialDestruir: you would need comparable systems first
[22:45] <hotwings> piofcube - a $35 pi to add network support vs. $5 usb alternative?
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Yes. It depends. For some things, it may be a third or so as fast. Others a percent.
[22:46] <_av500_> hotwings: thing legacy hardware with a serial port only
[22:46] <_av500_> think
[22:46] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be interesting to see a proper benchtest done on both
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: For most general computing tasks, it's going to be closer to a percent.
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[22:46] <piofcube> hotwings: I have tried some of them $5 usb alternatives... Please, if you can, provide a link to one that's $5 and supports more than one concurrent user... :-)
[22:47] <hotwings> hard to think back to serial port only stuff.. practically need a time machine
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[22:48] <SpeedEvil> ^above 'essentially constant' random access timings - 1980 ~250ns. Now ~7ns - to access a single word.
[22:48] <_av500_> think industrial machines
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[22:48] <_av500_> you could use a rpi to get then on the net
[22:48] <piofcube> most of them don't work and when they do... they can only be accessed by 1 PC at a time... I have tried 5 different ones so far
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[22:48] <_av500_> but then if you have a 100k CNC mill, you dont care for $35 or 350...
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> This is 35 times faster over 30 years, when RAM has grown a million times in capacity.
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, you're bound by the 35 times, not the million.
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> I think you'd be going with something a little more highend for something like that, then using a $35 pi
[22:49] <hotwings> if youre still using serial only, those boxes dont need to be on a net
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[22:52] <hotwings> nobody using a 100k cnc mill is going to bother hacking up their own rpi creation.. theyll buy something use-ready and that comes with support
[22:52] <_av500_> sure
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[22:53] <GabrialDestruir> My thoughts exactly.
[22:53] <zleap> hi
[22:53] <_av500_> but we were desparately looking for a use case
[22:53] <_av500_> :)
[22:53] <piofcube> PiNet... All the Pis unite! ;-)
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> PiNet AI
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[22:54] <mkopack> pio: LOL??? make our own little "fruit" net (like Darknet)
[22:54] <mkopack> PiNet???I like that! LOL
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> When they wrote terminator they got it wrong....
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> the name wasn't "Skynet" it was "PiNet" :p
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[22:56] <ewan> careful now
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[22:56] <benvei> does the RPi support SD-HC?
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yes
[22:56] <benvei> and SD-XC?
[22:57] <GabrialDestruir> No clue
[22:57] <zleap> so thats at least 32gb right
[22:57] <zleap> if its SDHC
[22:57] <_av500_> SDXC cards should be supported
[22:57] <_av500_> not at SDCX speeds
[22:57] <_av500_> so no DDR
[22:58] <_av500_> whether EXFAT is implemented is a SW issue
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: It's not
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: It requires the GPU to support the SDXC card size enough tot try to boot from it
[22:58] <_av500_> if you dont do EXFAT you are not allowed to call yourself SDXC
[22:58] * SpeedEvil stabs microsoft in the face.
[22:58] <_av500_> no
[22:59] <_av500_> you should stab the SD guys for picking M$
[22:59] <_av500_> but then I bet M$ paid them quite a few beach vacations
[22:59] <_av500_> with "massages"
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> What else could they pick?
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[23:00] <_av500_> FATFAT :)
[23:00] <benvei> how long does a SD-HC card live with a normal load webserver?
[23:00] <_av500_> define normal load
[23:00] <GabrialDestruir> I want to build a Credit Card microSD reader with SDXC capabilities....
[23:01] <Simon-> I'd prefer they supported UDF instead of FAT
[23:01] <_av500_> in bytes/hour
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> benvei: Forever, if you don't want to do writes
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[23:01] <GabrialDestruir> have like 12 slots for microSD cards....
[23:01] <_av500_> just buy a bigger card
[23:01] <benvei> write / delete 10 mb / day
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[23:01] <_av500_> benvei: long
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are no 500 gigabyte cards
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[23:01] <_av500_> thats like taking 3 pictures on a digicam
[23:01] <Simon-> GabrialDestruir: heh. one of my ideas is to have 12 SD card readers and automatically move everything to HDDs
[23:01] <benvei> okay :) Then i'm going to start building a RPi Server Farm :)
[23:01] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: they are called SSDs :)
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[23:02] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: They are >10*10*20mm
[23:02] <zleap> ok slackware should run on the raspberry PI http://www.armedslack.org/
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> If you could do a 12 microSD card reader type thing.... you could easily do like 2TB drives all the way around >.>
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> Ultimate storage xD
[23:03] <mkopack> LOL, I have one of those multi format card readers??? Wonder if I could plug in 4 different types of cards and read from all of them? LOL
[23:03] <piofcube> SDRaid LOL
[23:03] <mkopack> LOL, I've seen people do crazy stuff like that before.
[23:03] <mkopack> Or the guy who made a FLOPPY disk RAID!
[23:04] <mkopack> 8 floppy drives!
[23:04] <benvei> in a raid 10 :)
[23:04] <benvei> *lol*
[23:04] <GabrialDestruir> Well if you could do the 12SDs in a credit card sized reader.... with a special reader on the computer that the credit card one plugs into....
[23:04] <piofcube> You could use it to chuck out prepared SD cards for the R-Pi though... That would be handy :-)
[23:04] <GabrialDestruir> you could design computer shells in which you run an entire OS off a credit card >.>
[23:04] <_av500_> why not use a huge usb stick instead?
[23:04] <_av500_> they make 128BG ones
[23:05] <_av500_> it will be 256 or more soon
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[23:05] <mkopack> Those big sticks/SD are always really expensive
[23:05] <piofcube> Insert > wait >take out prepared card without touching a mouse or keyboard
[23:05] <mkopack> (relatively speaking)
[23:05] <_av500_> and 12 huge microSD cards are cheaper?
[23:05] <_av500_> + the reader?
[23:05] <_av500_> inside its the same NAND
[23:06] <_av500_> but you pay for 12 controllers
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[23:06] <_av500_> oh, and btw, I know a guy in germany that has a patent on that :)
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> Well assuming that shells became universal all same hardware etc, so you could effectively make adjust the sd levels as needed, it's also more portable just take the "credit card" reader out and put it in your wallet and your entire OS goes with you.
[23:08] <_av500_> sure
[23:08] <_av500_> i just dont see where the 12x SD reader is needed there
[23:08] <_av500_> make it one card that holds x GB
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[23:08] <piofcube> That could be useful for public access terminals...
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[23:09] <_av500_> you would still have to trust the terminal cpu
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[23:09] <_av500_> so having the cpu in the card and only hdmi out might be safer :)
[23:09] <GabrialDestruir> a 12x reader you could remove or add sdcards as you saw fit instead of people investing in one "drive card" type thing which they'd have to fully replace if they want to upgrade
[23:09] <piofcube> true but better than relying on the internet cafe or libraries computers
[23:10] <Kolin> i just use my phone :/
[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> If you're going with the CPU and only HDMI out you might as well just make a better version of a Pi.
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[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> What I'm talking about is more a universal system closer to cloud computing
[23:11] <_av500_> Kolin: don't spoil it :)
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[23:12] <GabrialDestruir> Except instead of entrusting your information to some faceless huge corporation you could put it all on a card to carry with you, then if you lose it or the information gets corrupt, etc, it'd be no ones fault but your own.
[23:13] <_av500_> thats basically anti-cloud :)
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[23:13] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed.
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[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> But assuming that you could make it an efficient enough system, and the computers "generic" enough.
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[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> You could make the "Terminal" connect either to a cloud
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> or run via the card
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[23:19] <GabrialDestruir> Though my idea has a better chance of taking hold than proper cloud computing does J/s
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[23:28] <mkopack> Cool. new revision of the Linux From Scratch book is out??? all modernized??? Might need to look through that. Might help me understand some of this stuff a lot better
[23:28] <mkopack> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-From-Scratch-7-1-published-1463152.html for those interested
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[23:37] <zleap> mkopack, thanks I just downloaded 7.0 the other day so a later revision will be good not started reading yet
[23:37] <mkopack> np.. thought some folks might find it useful. I'm sure I will
[23:37] <mkopack> (assuming I ever find time to read it!)
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[23:40] <zleap> mkopack, let alone time actually build linux from scratch
[23:41] <bourbonphantom> aka Gentoo install manual
[23:41] <zleap> anyway i am off to sleep, trying to get an early night for a change.
[23:41] <zleap> ah
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[23:47] <mkopack> Nothing wrong with having a Gentoo install manual! :)
[23:48] <mkopack> Anyhow, I'm out. Time to get some dinner and then head home
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[23:50] <danieldaniel> WeLlHaIdEr
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