#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-03-08

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[1:11] <bnmorgan> well, now i have ubuntu running in a VM. and no idea what to use it for.
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[1:13] <Da|Mummy> you know how you have that antivirus app on windows, and single button mouse on osx?
[1:14] * Space_Man (~space_man@87.127.156.98) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[1:14] <bnmorgan> um, yes and no
[1:14] <Da|Mummy> say goodbye to both of them
[1:15] * brougham (brougham@wintermute.brougham.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[1:15] <bnmorgan> explain please?
[1:17] <Axman6> Da|Mummy: single button mouse? really? you're going to go with something that hasn't been true for going on a decade?
[1:18] <convolution> is there a box for raspberry pi?
[1:18] <Kyzz> The hell would you do with a single button?
[1:18] <Kyzz> convolution define box?
[1:19] <Gustavo_Fring> case
[1:19] <Gustavo_Fring> maybe
[1:19] <convolution> http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/me-and-the-raspberrypi-2/
[1:19] <convolution> something like this
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[1:21] <bnmorgan> if there's not, i can help someone design one if they'll buy the molds to build it.
[1:21] <Kyzz> there are some already on sale on ebay
[1:21] <Kyzz> none on the RPi store itself yet
[1:21] <bnmorgan> then lets design a better one
[1:22] <bnmorgan> noticed my ship date today. mid june :(
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[2:00] <mrdragons> I still haven't ordered my pi yet. I'm facked. XD
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[2:01] <jimbib> if your order now you may get it for christmas
[2:02] <jimbib> or maybe not
[2:02] <Matt_T> i've only registered interest with RS, maybe we're i the same boat!
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[2:05] <mattwj2002> hi all
[2:05] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:05] <chod> .
[2:05] <Flea86> o/
[2:05] <mattwj2002> hi chod and Flea86
[2:05] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:05] <chod> whats news ppl
[2:05] <mattwj2002> I am very impressed with raspberrypi when will they be available for sell?
[2:06] <mattwj2002> will cases be available?
[2:06] <mrdragons> T_T
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[2:06] <mattwj2002> what is wrong mrdragons?
[2:07] <mrdragons> It's never coming out for sale. It's vaporware.
[2:08] <mattwj2002> what?
[2:08] <mrdragons> Yup.
[2:08] <chod> eh?
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[2:08] <Flea86> mrdragons: Surely you jest?
[2:09] <mrdragons> Of course not, silly! They're never going to release them.
[2:10] <mattwj2002> why won't they?
[2:10] <Flea86> mrdragons: Highly doubt mr upton is going simply horde ~100,000 pi systems in his garage.. ;-0
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[2:12] <mattwj2002> Flea86: can you buy them yet?
[2:13] <mattwj2002> I see their shop is down :(
[2:13] <mrdragons> mattwj2002: Wait, don't tell me you actually missed the release day. 0_o
[2:13] <mattwj2002> I missed it!
[2:13] <mattwj2002> :(
[2:13] <mrdragons> Yep, they're for sale, a bit backordered though
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[2:14] <mattwj2002> ok
[2:14] <mattwj2002> cool
[2:14] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[2:14] <mrdragons> http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Guide
[2:17] <Da|Mummy> Axman6, whats this? http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MB829LL-A-Magic-Mouse/dp/B002TLTGM6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331169396&sr=8-1
[2:18] <mattwj2002> thanks mrdragons
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[2:19] <mrdragons> mattwj2002: Sorry for thinking you were being sarcastic at first, the community here has been awaiting the release like nothing else. :P
[2:20] <mrdragons> Er, had been.
[2:20] <mattwj2002> it is all good
[2:20] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:22] <mattwj2002> mrdragons: are there enclosures available?
[2:23] <Da|Mummy> no
[2:23] <Da|Mummy> not until summer
[2:24] <mattwj2002> :(
[2:24] <DaQatz> Cases are kinda fend for yourself atm.
[2:24] <Da|Mummy> when the educational version will be sold
[2:24] <Da|Mummy> you will be able to purchase cases later, with or without a raspberry
[2:24] <courpse> I wouldn't want to hide beauty, :/
[2:24] <Da|Mummy> a rpi+case will still cost $25/$35
[2:24] <mattwj2002> :P
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[2:25] <mkopack> hey gang
[2:25] <courpse> Can't wait to get one for my mediabox, :D
[2:25] <Flea86> "<+courpse> I wouldn't want to hide beauty, :/" Put it in a clea perspex case then :)
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[2:26] <mattwj2002> :P
[2:26] <courpse> Flea86, No ty, :/ when i was a young lad, i had a perspex PC case.
[2:26] <courpse> Was hell, :/
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[2:27] <courpse> I'd just be happy getting one of the wee suckers at all, case or not. (Just like the rest of ya's.)
[2:28] <nelson> My RaspberryPi is coming without a case. I'm buying a 3D printer. I'll leave it up to you to determine the correlation between those two purchases.
[2:28] <courpse> lol.
[2:28] <courpse> Not worried about a case myself.
[2:28] <courpse> Doesn't really need one.
[2:28] <mattwj2002> reprap nelson?
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Someone carve me a case made of Lignum Vitae >.>
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[2:30] <nelson> mattwj2002: printrbot.
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[2:30] <mattwj2002> ah
[2:30] <mattwj2002> seem thing
[2:30] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:30] <mattwj2002> *same
[2:31] <nelson> courpse: I have three dead ARM computers on my desk because they accidentally hit some piece of metal on my desk and went p00f.
[2:32] <courpse> I don't tend to keep lumps of metal on my TV cabinets.
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> Still
[2:33] <nelson> well, as soon as you start doing interesting hardwarey things, you have lumps of metal around.
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> one wrong touch
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> and it's fried
[2:33] <nelson> if you're only going to hook up a keyboard, mouse, Ethernet, and screen to it, you should be safe enough without a case, yes.
[2:34] <courpse> Which is pretty much what im going to do, Just Eth and IR receiver
[2:34] <courpse> And on a second one, Eth, IR receiver and USB sound card.
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[3:53] <mkopack> Well, this has been fun so far???. Setting up Debian + Zoneminder on my old Sheevaplug
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[3:56] <Matt_T> I set up zoneminder to replace the axis software in one of my previous jobs - worked really well!
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[4:00] <Matt_T> how does the Sheevaplug cope with zoneminder?
[4:00] <mkopack> Let you know as soon as I'm done!
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[4:01] <mkopack> Just finished installing the OS+ZM??? Did a shutdown, pulled the USB stick (filesystem) and plugged in the hub, webcam + the USB stick back in
[4:01] <mkopack> Booting up now
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[4:41] <Kyzz_> so quiet...
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[4:46] <elmo40> mkopack: well? did it boot? don't leave us hanging ;)
[4:46] <mkopack> Yeah the plug comes up,.. I'm trying to get ZM set up??? there's a few things yo have to do and I'm struggling
[4:46] <mkopack> never done this before
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[4:49] <elmo40> it installed no problem?
[4:49] <elmo40> just configuring it now?
[4:50] <mkopack> yeah...
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[4:50] <mkopack> It's mostly things like getting some of the supporting stuff for ZM installed and such and then figuring out how to config it
[4:50] <mkopack> This is the farthest I've ever gotten trying t do this
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[4:51] <Matt_T> I cant remember any particulars but remember it not being all that easy to get going :D
[4:52] <mkopack> doesn't help that the damn instructions are all over the place
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[4:53] <mkopack> ok, got the base ZM web page to come up and am in the options
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[4:54] <elmo40> excellent
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[4:57] <mkopack> ok, so what in /dev would most likely be the webcam device? video0 ??
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[5:00] <mkopack> never mind, found it
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[5:12] <mkopack> Ok, well??? I must have something misconfigged??? Not seeing any video show up
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[5:23] <Axman6> Da|Mummy: re: the magic mouse, that's a four button mouse with s 2D scroll ball...
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[5:25] <mkopack> Well, I'll have to come back to this some other time??? It's probably 90% of the way there
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[5:27] <GabrialDestruir> I want my Pi to arrive first.... so I can hoard it and be like "NO PI FOR YOU!"
[5:27] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[5:28] <mkopack> Gab: LOL???
[5:28] <mkopack> Mine will come first! :)
[5:28] <mkopack> Muhahahah
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> DAMN YOU YOU PI HOARDER!
[5:28] <mkopack> LOL
[5:28] <mkopack> What date did they give you again?
[5:29] <mkopack> Or none?
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[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> 16th of April
[5:29] <mkopack> ah, k
[5:29] <mkopack> that's not THAT much longer after mine man??? hang in there
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[5:30] <DaQatz> Same date I have.
[5:30] <DaQatz> "playing" in qemu is headache.
[5:30] <DaQatz> especially since it doesn't quiet work the same..
[5:31] <mkopack> yeah. and I found it to be rather SLOW
[5:31] <mkopack> And the disk size doesn't leave much room to install anything else
[5:32] <DaQatz> Adding disk space is fairly simple
[5:32] <DaQatz> Mine is 20 gigs atm'
[5:32] <DaQatz> With 2 gigs swap
[5:32] <DaQatz> But yeahs incompatible and slow
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[5:33] <mkopack> I just wanted to see what was included by default and get a little experience with the setup, that's all.
[5:33] <mkopack> got what I needed
[5:33] <DaQatz> nods
[5:34] <DaQatz> I want to build a big endian gentoo. So far qemu is woefully inadequate for that.
[5:34] <mkopack> ok, I'm closing up and going to bed??? Got the Sheevaplug mostly set up with Zoneminder. Just need to figure out some config issues, but that's going to have to wait until I have some more free time
[5:34] <mkopack> Oh god yeah ,I wouldn't bother until getting the RPi...
[5:35] <DaQatz> Okies
[5:35] <mkopack> Except maybe to practice and work out the steps
[5:35] <DaQatz> I have a base enviro crosscompiled
[5:35] <mkopack> cool
[5:35] <DaQatz> So I should be able to boot strap a stage 1
[5:35] <mkopack> I know SQUAT about setting up Gentoo??? I remember trying to do it like 4 years ago and got nowhere fast
[5:35] <mkopack> Which one is stage 1? partially built?
[5:36] <DaQatz> Stage 1 is "foreign system"
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[5:36] <DaQatz> Just needs to be the correct enviroment and have the right tools
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[5:36] <mkopack> ah, k
[5:36] <DaQatz> Once I have stage1 boot strapped I can build a stage 3
[5:37] <DaQatz> Install that from scratch and build a bas esystem
[5:37] <DaQatz> ANd of course dist the stage3
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[5:41] <mkopack> later guys
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[5:48] <DataSpree> has anyone seen or heard any figures on how long it takes for the raspberry pi to go from power applied to kernel loaded and first instruction of kernel executed? Most of the forums threads around this subject seem focused only on how long it takes for linux to boot up
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[5:58] * Xark_ notes the Fedora Remix installer isn't very reliable at all - under either Ubuntu and Win7 (python fail...). Where is the image to dd...?
[6:00] * Xark_ found it...
[6:02] <Xark_> DataSpree: I don't have any detailed knowledge, but you can see in several videos it is nearly instant that the "kernel spew" starts scrolling up the screen.
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[6:05] <shirro> Do they compress the kernels in the standard image?
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[6:07] <Xark_> shirro: Not sure, but I would think so (I think the kernel typically decompresses itself).
[6:07] * Xark_ should know if this image finishes downloading...(must have drawn an "unlucky" mirror).
[6:08] <shirro> That could slow it down boot if the ARM is slow at decompressing
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[6:08] <Xark_> shirro: Yeah, well depends if reading from SD or decompressing RAM -> RAM is the bottleneck (I would imaging SD, unless this ARM is really crap).
[6:08] <Xark_> imagine^
[6:09] <des2> Raspberry Pi booting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouPJRLygNQ
[6:09] <shirro> I imagine it is really crap. It would only be so many ms difference anyway I guess. Not really important unless you want everything to be up as soon as you turn the ignition key.
[6:10] <Xark_> des2: Thanks. That looks like a "slower" distro booting, but you can see the kernel load is ~1 sec.
[6:12] <shirro> When i get mine I think I will see how fast I can get it to boot into qmlviewer.
[6:12] <Xark_> shirro: I bet deflate would be faster than loading 2x larger kernel from SD. I remember Linux on a 8Mhz 386 (3.1 bogoMIPS), now THAT was crap (you could really notice the decompress delay). 700Mhz arm should not cause a decompress bottleneck IMO.
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[6:13] <DaQatz> Yes, but how much times the gpu take in start up?
[6:13] <Xark_> shirro: But you are right about the different is ms
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[6:14] <Xark_> DaQatz: Pretty negligable apparently from the videos (maybe 2 sec from the "click").
[6:14] * DaQatz nods.
[6:14] <des2> looked like 2 sec to me.
[6:14] <shirro> You would really want to profile the whole boot sequence and optimise the stuff that counts.
[6:15] <Xark_> shirro: Sure. Offhand looks like Linux TTY spam is the slowest thing (especially if CPU is doing scrolling). :)
[6:16] * Xark_ notes someone should time NTSC vs 1080. :)
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[6:18] <shirro> Does anyone have old analogue tvs anymore? I thought everyone would have upgraded when the signals when widescreen hd digital.
[6:19] <Flea86> shirro: We only recently upgraded to a digital TV when our old idiot box went dead..
[6:19] <shirro> Are there any countries that still broadcast analogue tv?
[6:19] <Flea86> We, meaning I :)
[6:19] <Flea86> Here in Aus they still do (I think)
[6:20] <shirro> Not here they don't. We turned off last year. Or was it the year before? It is off anyway.
[6:21] <DaQatz> You know it doesn;t affect me much that they deprecated analogue tvs. I have not upgraded, it's just it's been years since I watched tv.
[6:21] <DaQatz> Nothing good on, and if there was I would dl it.
[6:21] <hotwings> Xark_ - what do you mean by ntsc vs 1080?
[6:22] <Xark_> hotwings: Just in terms of the console framebuffer being so much less memory for the CPU to scroll, it probably boots faster.
[6:22] <Xark_> 640x480 mode would be about the same too...
[6:24] <des2> Analog TVs and TVs with analog inputs are different things.
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[6:24] <des2> Lots of people still have TV's without HDMI
[6:24] <hotwings> 544x480 is ntsc here in the usa. although i think japan and a couple other places are 525x480
[6:24] <Xark_> hotwings: 1080 is ~8.2MB framebuffer, NTSC is 1.35MB (and 640x480 is a bit less even).
[6:24] <hotwings> ntsc is deprecated now :)
[6:25] <Xark_> hotwings: I believe the "digital" spec is 720x480 for NTSC (but only ~704 of those pixels are ever visible).
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[6:27] <Flea86> shirro: Analogue TV is still available in Aus (confirmed :)
[6:28] <Flea86> for now..
[6:29] <hotwings> 720x480 is dvd resolution here
[6:29] <hotwings> tv is never 720x480
[6:30] <hotwings> thats a huge difference though 8MB vs 1.3MB
[6:30] <des2> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Vector_Video_Standards2.svg/749px-Vector_Video_Standards2.svg.png
[6:30] <Xark_> hotwings: Well, the digital signal is sent as 720x480 (like over HDMI). Since it is analog, don't consider those true pixels. :) The 720 includes horizontal blanking, so ~704 is the most you could see if your TV had no overscan.
[6:30] <Xark_> 720x576 for PAL
[6:31] <Xark_> hotwings: I believe this is the case for RPi too (from forum posts).
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[6:32] <shirro> Must be the cities lagging. I am in rural Aus and we switched off in 2010. I don't think there would be many tvs around without hdmi. Perhaps a few old ones in kids rooms with a Wii and STB. Schools will be an issue with a lot of VGA monitors still around.
[6:32] <hotwings> there is no analog transmission here anymore
[6:32] <Xark_> hotwings: I guess technically those are 480i and 576i HDMI modes (but usually the frame buffer matches).
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[6:34] <des2> Yeah shirro I think a lot of monitors around with VGA inputs that the Pi doesn't support.
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[6:34] <Xark_> Some stations in the US have gotten waivers (typically rural and no $ for digital station). It is only a matter of time until they come for the spectrum though...
[6:34] <Flea86> des2: That's true, even LCD monitors
[6:35] <Flea86> *for
[6:35] <des2> yes
[6:35] <hotwings> last i read about those waivers were that they were extentions not to go longer than 12 months and not renewable
[6:35] <des2> Still some cheal LCDs being sold without DVI or HDMI
[6:35] <des2> cheap
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[6:36] <hotwings> you can get * -> vga adapters so it doesnt matter
[6:36] <Xark_> I got a cheap $70 HDMI 720p TV set (thinking it might be handy for RPi). Boy, it sure is no monitor. I hooked a PC to it (for qemu pseudo-RPi) and it was quite blurry just like using a TV "back in the day" (except 720p blur). :)
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[6:38] <Flea86> Xark: Probably ok as a console screen?
[6:38] * Xark_ notes it got a bit better at its native 1336x766 (or whatever - not quite 1280x720), but still not even close to acceptable for a "computer monitor".
[6:38] <hotwings> shoulda got one that has pc mode :)
[6:38] <Xark_> hotwings: It does!
[6:39] <Xark_> hotwings: VGA, 2xHDMI and a USB hub. :)
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[6:39] <Xark_> hotwings: I didn't buy it for quality, but still I was amazing at how crap it was.
[6:39] <hotwings> and its still blurry? what a piece of crap :]
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[6:41] <Xark_> hotwings: It will be good for "worst case" is this font size readable on a poor TV type tests. :)
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[6:42] <Xark_> Flea86: Yeah, its "fine" for the "target" monitor (as long as I am not coding for long periods). It reminds me of my PS3 "browsing" on my (pretty nice) Samsung HDTV. Looks good, but not "computer monitor" crisp if you get close.
[6:44] <nplus> does anyone know when the first batch of pi's are expected to start arriving? (i know i won't be getting one till late april) just curious when they might start arriving...
[6:44] <Flea86> Xark: Ok yeah I've seen that effect you describe on some cheap plasma/lcd tv's as well..
[6:45] <Xark_> Flea86: Probably "extreme crispness" will just make most people see how compressed and horrible their cable is, so I think TV makers add "blurring" or something (different from monitor makers).
[6:45] <des2> nplus Liz said they'd be shipping next week
[6:45] <nplus> des2: ok cool thanks
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[6:47] <des2> There was a delay in getting them here (I'm not totally clear on the cause), but the first ones will be going out to customers next week from both vendors. (Yes, they do exist!)
[6:47] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/why-no-unboxings-yet-when-there-are-10-000-raspis-produced
[6:49] <Flea86> Xark: Probably, given the broad range of input options on some TVs..
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[7:32] <beardface> you all might appreciate this
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[7:32] <beardface> printing 4 rasberry pi pcb models at a time: http://3d.hawkorn.com/
[7:33] <Ben64> why models
[7:34] <beardface> to test fit cases
[7:34] <beardface> rpicases.blogspot.com
[7:34] <Ben64> why not make cases...
[7:34] <beardface> i can
[7:35] <beardface> people ordered the models and not cases
[7:35] <beardface> so thats what im printing right now
[7:35] <Ben64> oh
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[7:35] <Ben64> well i'd like to get a case at some point
[7:37] <beardface> cool; if you find a design you like, let me know
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[7:37] <beardface> i like the blender design by that one guy (not sure who he is), but he hasn't released the model
[7:38] <Ben64> i think i'll wait for people to actually get the pi
[7:39] <beardface> yeah
[7:39] <beardface> the best stuff comes to those who are patient
[7:39] <Ben64> but your prices are nice. custom 3d printing stuff i've seen would be like $400 for a case
[7:39] <beardface> it won't be the same quality, but it'll be just as custom
[7:39] <courpse> How acurate can you get wtih 3d printing?
[7:39] <courpse> Can ya make like, clips and shiznit?
[7:40] <beardface> clips?
[7:41] <courpse> 2 peice things that can clip together.
[7:41] <slaeshjag> Can you print with chocolate?
[7:42] <Ben64> would be easier to mold chocolate
[7:43] <Ben64> beardface: what kind of files can you input? just obj?
[7:43] <_av500_> slaeshjag: yes, its doable, but its a big mess and needs a very high pressure
[7:44] <_av500_> but of course, tasty
[7:44] <beardface> stl files
[7:44] <beardface> but i can take google sketchup and convert them
[7:44] <beardface> yeah, you can print with chocoloate (google frostruder)
[7:45] <beardface> yeah, you can print clips
[7:45] <beardface> you can get really accurate, i printed this tonight: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--UNvBaZ8wBY/T1hVGBaonwI/AAAAAAAAGJg/DUKVGxORJzU/s576/20120308_004301.jpg
[7:45] <beardface> it is hollow
[7:46] <beardface> the brown shit on it is b/c moisture got to my plastic so it browned
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[7:48] <Ben64> nice, little rough though
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[7:48] <beardface> yeah; it is a tough print
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[7:48] <beardface> and that is right off the printer, no clean up
[7:48] <Ben64> too bad the machines are $800 or so
[7:49] <Ben64> i'd love to have one
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[7:49] <beardface> i built mine myself
[7:49] <beardface> 400 bucks
[7:49] <beardface> i just built two others also
[7:50] <Ben64> still too much for me
[7:50] <Ben64> when they hit ~$100 range, I'm totally in
[7:51] <beardface> lol
[7:51] <beardface> yeah, everyone will be
[7:51] <beardface> i dont think you'll ever see that
[7:51] <beardface> we'll see though
[7:52] <beardface> the one i built used to be ~800
[7:52] <Ben64> well 4GB of ram is like $20 now
[7:52] <Ben64> used to cost thousands
[7:54] <des2> I once bought 64 Mb for $2,400.
[7:55] <hotwings> nice yoda, mostly
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[7:56] <hotwings> i remember buying a 1.6GB hd for nearly $400
[7:57] <hotwings> hell, i remember buying a commodore 1670 1200 baud modem for the same
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[7:59] <Ben64> I remember buying a 320MB hard drive for $50
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[8:03] <hotwings> first hd i ever owned.. 70MB RLL drive.. thing weighed about as much as a car battery
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[9:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> morning
[9:23] <benwilliam1> hi
[9:25] <techman2> hello
[9:25] <techman2> hrm
[9:25] <techman2> avatar uploading is currently borked on the forums.
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[9:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> yarg -
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[9:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> no it not it never was
[9:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> you need to use http://en.gravatar.com/
[9:36] <Ticho> i never understood the craze about common avatar service
[9:36] <Henchman21> lame
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[9:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> I think it was just easier in the beginnings - as we're moving to phbb then it will cahnge
[9:38] <Ticho> i see, that makes sense :>
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[9:41] <techman2> ahhh
[9:41] <techman2> my bad.
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[9:42] <techman2> meh, I'm not creating another account on another service so I can have an avatar.
[9:44] <Mowee> Morning
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[9:54] <Henchman21> ive been having hela fun tracking my cat with a gpslogger
[9:55] <Henchman21> just let him out for another run
[9:55] <haltdef> :O
[9:55] <techman2> lol
[9:55] <techman2> I need one of those heheh
[9:55] <Henchman21> mine was 50$ and around matchbox size
[9:56] <Ticho> Henchman21: i'm sure your cat feels opressed by your big-brotherish surveillance of it :>
[9:56] <Henchman21> $60 shipped
[9:56] <Henchman21> HAH
[9:56] <Henchman21> wasnt there a big court case involving cops installing gps loggers on peoples cars warrantless
[9:57] <Ticho> not sure if court case, but there was some uproar in media about it, yes
[9:57] <Henchman21> its cool let them say its ok, we'll just log them
[9:57] <Ticho> also about someone discovering it and removing it, and cops wanting their gear back soon afterwards
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[9:58] <Henchman21> everyone will be trackable on googlemaps
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[10:00] <Henchman21> lastnight my cat traveled almost exactly 2miles in 2hrs
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[10:00] <techman2> the amount of surveillance and tracking going on is starting to get ridiculous.
[10:01] <Henchman21> nothing is sacred
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[10:01] <Henchman21> the more they clamp down the more people wake up
[10:01] <techman2> yeah
[10:02] <techman2> although a lot of the data mining is of information people freely hand out on social networks etc.
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[10:02] <Henchman21> yeah i just saw the worst court doc ever the other night, lemmie see if i can find it
[10:04] <techman2> if you follow people like @ioerror on twitter you start to get depressed.
[10:05] <Henchman21> https://imgur.com/a/xr2IH
[10:06] <Henchman21> like he was asking for it
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[10:08] <Henchman21> i only have 2 good log tracks of my cat sofar
[10:08] <Henchman21> i cant wait to compile a massive dbase and overlay them
[10:09] <techman2> oh man that shit makes me sick
[10:09] <Henchman21> yeah thats pretty terrible
[10:10] <techman2> I reported a guy for that crap once, when I found it while working on his laptop.
[10:10] <techman2> he'd been charged and plead guilty last I heard.
[10:11] <Henchman21> and im big brother for tracking my cat!?!?
[10:11] <Henchman21> 8D
[10:11] <techman2> haha
[10:11] <techman2> I never said that
[10:11] <techman2> it's the ONLY choice when you're in that situation anyway.
[10:12] <makefu|EUER> a cat is fine too ...
[10:12] <Henchman21> yeah i'd have probably done the same
[10:12] <Henchman21> like some people have zero morals
[10:13] <techman2> yeah
[10:13] <techman2> there's some sickos out there.
[10:14] <Henchman21> existentialist
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[10:15] <Henchman21> woohoo cant wait for my raspberry pi to get here
[10:16] <techman2> I'm sick of checking the order page
[10:16] <techman2> lol
[10:16] <techman2> it's always the same.
[10:16] <techman2> Order: "Processing" "Back Order"
[10:16] <Henchman21> im fine waiting
[10:16] <ironzorg> make a script
[10:16] <ironzorg> with a crontab
[10:17] <techman2> heard a report of a recent order having an ETA of mid June!
[10:17] <Henchman21> i ordered a bunch of dealextreme junk to go with it a month or so back still waiting for that junk
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[10:18] <Henchman21> cheapo hdmi cable/powered usb hub/cheapo usb keyboad
[10:18] <Henchman21> what kills me is when i see something they sell on dealextreme for 2$ on thinkgeek its 10-15$
[10:19] <Henchman21> pretty sure its the same exact thing too
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[10:20] * Xark_ suspects many TVs with USB could power the RPi. Element14 has a video of someone powering their RPi with a Thinkpad USB -> uUSB cable (running apache on RPi).
[10:20] <Henchman21> yeah mines got a couple usb ports
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[10:21] <Henchman21> few samsung tv's have linux inside
[10:21] <Xark_> Henchman21: I bought the cheapest 720p TV I could find and even it has a USB port (I don't recommend it for computer use though...not "crisp").
[10:21] <Henchman21> samygo linux hacks
[10:22] <techman2> that sucks
[10:22] <techman2> our $1200 Samsung LCD doesn't have a single USB port.
[10:22] <Henchman21> nah this usb port is for powering thumbdrives for the tv and such
[10:22] <Henchman21> show picture slideshows on your tv and play videos
[10:22] <Xark_> Henchman21: Yeah, I think a lot of them do. I first noticed when I "flashed" my TV (so I could have 1:1 1920x1080 without scaling) and I could see the "vmlinuz" (and other Linux looking things) on the USB. :)
[10:23] <Henchman21> if i could hack my tv i wouldnt need raspberry pi
[10:23] <Henchman21> its got about the same specs
[10:23] <Xark_> Henchman21: I guess some of the newer models let you get a shell and SSH etc. :)
[10:23] <Henchman21> not mine and they keep updating the firmware so its harder and harder to root
[10:24] <Henchman21> and my mom would kill me if i bricked it
[10:24] <Xark_> Yeah, I was pretty nervous flashing mine (there are lots of models and some "unhappy campers" in the forums).
[10:25] <techman2> bbl
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[10:25] <[deXter]> A smart tv might not be such a good idea to mess around with
[10:25] <[deXter]> My friend did a simple online firmware update and it borked his tv
[10:25] <[deXter]> the update itself took like 12 hours to download
[10:25] <[deXter]> He had to keep his tv on the whole time. :P
[10:26] * Lord_DeathMatch laughs
[10:27] <Xark_> [deXter]: heh, thats crazy. The only tricky part for me, was you needed to tune to a special TV channel and there is no OTA here (so won't let you tune "no channels found"). I ended up dragging my 5200 out to give me a channel 3. :-) It didn't take too long though (as I recall just a few MB on a USB flash).
[10:28] <[deXter]> hmm
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[10:40] <des2> I used to order stuff from dealextreme but they took so long to ship. Now I can find it on ebay slightly cheaper and here a little sooner.
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[10:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/Global.png
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[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17245294
[11:32] <des2> Europeans get free X-rays ?
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[11:37] <zag> europeans is a bit genralisation ;)
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[11:40] <alk_> lol
[11:40] <des2> Was referring to the map RaTTuS|BIG posted
[11:40] <Ticho> didn't you know? europe is just a city in east america
[11:40] <alk_> :D
[11:40] <drazyl> you too could have had them if Obamacare hadn't been blocked :)
[11:41] <gen_stuk> lol...funny
[11:41] <alk_> Obamacare: persecuting poor people by sponsoring them with health insurance
[11:42] <Aquilus_> Public healthcare is a scheme by the evil communists, clearly.
[11:42] <jojo> love how the bbc confused alpha/beta board and model a/b there
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[11:43] <drazyl> if we give healthcare to the poor THEN TEH TERRORISTS WIN!
[11:44] <zag> only in america could you vote against giving healthcare to the poor :)
[11:45] <Ticho> because poor do not feed the corporate coffers - why keep them alive :>
[11:45] <Ticho> anyway, </politics>
[11:45] <Ticho> i'm off to lunch :>
[11:46] <DDave> yeah, no healthcare!
[11:46] * DDave comes from a country with superb healthcare
[11:46] <alk_> \o/
[11:46] <DDave> NO HEALTHCARE FOR YOU, HAHAHAHAH :D
[11:47] <alk_> wait, you've had your freedom to not have healthcare stripped away from you ;_
[11:47] <alk_> ;_;
[11:47] <DDave> eh..its pretty much okay ;)
[11:47] <DDave> Can't legal carry but I can live with it..
[11:47] <alk_> <;
[11:47] <DDave> since downloading isnt even illegal..
[11:47] <DDave> :p
[11:47] <des2> Anyway, back to the Xrays: http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-solar-storm-years-races-toward-earth-231612486.html
[11:47] <alk_> neat
[11:47] <alk_> :)
[11:47] <DDave> and you can own lots of funky rifles..
[11:48] <DDave> like .50 sniper rifles.. and so on :p
[11:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/Global.png
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[11:49] <DDave> RaTTuS|BIG: thanks for the head sup.
[11:50] <DDave> *stocks up ammo and food*
[11:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p too late
[11:50] <DDave> :p
[11:50] <DDave> im shielded alright..probably spent 30 minutes outside in the last 3 weeks
[11:50] <DDave> :D
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[11:56] <Henchman21> wouldnt that focus the radio waves into your brain?
[11:57] <Henchman21> like a dish antenna
[11:57] <des2> No I keep it grounded.
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[12:03] <DDave> LOL
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[12:54] <kvarley> Wine 1.4 released with ARM support. A little gem for windows hopefuls on the RPi
[12:54] <kvarley> Not that any windows software would be needed ;)
[12:56] <mjr> recall that it's for the winelib, recompiling needed
[12:56] <chris_99> how can wine work on arm
[12:57] <chris_99> that'd require emulation
[12:57] <weuxel> hy?
[12:57] <weuxel> why?
[12:57] <chris_99> because windows apps are x86
[12:57] <kvarley> chris_99: I think it may be to run windows applications that are built for arm. But doesn't arm use 32 bits anyway?
[12:57] <weuxel> so?
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[12:57] <chris_99> ah, so it wont work for most windows apps
[12:57] <kvarley> Wine isn't an emulator it's a compatibility layer
[12:58] <kvarley> I'm unsure of the scope of the work on ARM. Was just throwing it out in this channel since I know many windows users have been asking.
[12:58] <Kolin> windows programs built for arm???
[12:58] <RaYmAn> It might become useful with windows 8, who knows :)
[12:58] <kvarley> Kolin: Well as people keep saying, windows 8 will support ARM.
[12:58] <kvarley> When I say support I mean "support"
[12:59] <mjr> winelib allows for "nativeish" linux compiles of windows software from source, that's what it's about
[12:59] <Kolin> ahhh
[13:00] <kvarley> Although, the massive array of Linux applications available will mean that windows users will likely be satisfied with the alternatives.
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[13:00] <des2> Wine Is Not an Emulator
[13:00] <kvarley> des2: =]
[13:00] <Ticho> kvarley: not those windows users who panic even if one of their desktop icons change position :>
[13:01] <kvarley> Ticho: Well, they most likely won't be using the RPi. If they are, they will have to learn to be flexible lol
[13:01] <Ticho> i guess
[13:01] <weuxel> Ticho: I do not think those would have an interest in the pi anyway
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[13:02] <kvarley> Ticho: You need an open mind if you want to learn about learning to program. Windows only users don't have an open mind ;)
[13:02] <des2> Can anyone give an example of a program that might use Wine on the Pi ?
[13:03] <victhor> qemu. At epically slow speeds
[13:04] <Ben64> wine won't work on the pi
[13:04] <kvarley> Ben64: Version 1.4 (newly released) adds some ARM support.
[13:04] <mjr> there's a free windows minesweeper clone that comes with wine. It can presumably be compiled for ARM using winelib ;]
[13:05] <kvarley> des2: I'm unsure as of yet. Since the only think I have seen that is supported is the compilation of wine on ARM platforms.
[13:06] <des2> Also the arm prrocessors are significantly different, which is why no Ubuntu on Rpi.
[13:06] <drazyl> you can use wine as a translation layer to compile windows programs for x86 linux, if wine supports arm that means you might be able to do the same for arm linux
[13:06] <mjr> if we're talking emulation, you'd be running the x86 version of wine through qemu (not sure if that works these days, it's worked on some architectures sometimes IIRC, but yes, even if it did work, it'd be dog slow)
[13:06] <des2> The Rpi Arm 6 is too old.
[13:06] <Kolin> ha, the first batch are all broken
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[13:07] <kvarley> Kolin: All broken?
[13:07] <Kolin> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781
[13:07] <des2> "We?ve known about this for four days now, "
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[13:08] <kvarley> Kolin: Ah well. It's inevitable I guess.
[13:08] <Kolin> aye
[13:08] <kvarley> Kolin: It's a shame though.
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[13:09] <Ben64> its never coming out
[13:09] <des2> wtf
[13:10] <des2> Yesterday Liz wrote there was a delay and she didn't know the reason for it.
[13:10] <kvarley> At least they noticed before sending them all out.
[13:10] <kvarley> Could be worse. 10k people angry because they don't have network access.
[13:10] <des2> Now she writes "We've known about this for four days now,".
[13:11] <Ben64> but they're not fucking giving adequate information
[13:11] <Ben64> its bullshit
[13:11] <des2> I really don't like being lied too. Even if you do work for free.
[13:12] <zag> ouch thats a bit of a problem!!
[13:12] <esotera> they don't want to give a release date and then miss it so the whole thing becomes classified as vapourware
[13:12] <Ben64> they already missed tons of dates
[13:13] <Ben64> people have delivery dates of march 15th and stuff
[13:13] <Ben64> all a big lie
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[13:15] <des2> "We?ll keep you updated with how manufacture is moving; this is, in the scheme of things, a minor problem, but it?s still a bump in the road and we know that we rely on your goodwill to keep things moving forward."
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[13:15] <esotera> well think about how annoying it would be if they'd given a definite release date back last summer for sometime in january
[13:15] <des2> Why does it rely on anyones 'goodwill' at this point ?
[13:16] <Ben64> they've been leading on for years
[13:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> Liz may not of know what the problem was
[13:16] <des2> Yeah well she is coming off as at least clueless.
[13:17] <Ben64> instead of having a fake launch, they should have said preorder
[13:17] <zag> should be ok for early orders
[13:17] <zag> but the later ones this will be a big delay
[13:17] <Ben64> don't say launch until you have the 10k in hand
[13:17] <zag> if they dont have components
[13:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> 1st hitch was the crsyals
[13:18] <victhor> they actually went through the process without many problems
[13:18] <victhor> Pandora was 10000000x worse
[13:18] <des2> So they didn't test these til 4 days ago ?
[13:19] <des2> What happened to testing one at the factory ?
[13:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ depends as they would work but not nessaceller all teh time
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[13:19] <des2> "No magnets means no network connection. "
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[13:20] <Kolin> Since you're all wondering, with a magjack you get better signal integrity, better filtering and shorter transmission distances for data.
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[13:20] <Kolin> The build was designed with a magjack in mind; it's more efficient (but won't work without the integrated magnetics)
[13:20] <Kolin> from twitter
[13:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> It doesn???t mean no network connection at all on all devices, but this board has been designed for a magnetic jack. The magnetic bits mean better signal integrity, better filtering and shorter transmission distances for data.
[13:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> anyhoo food time
[13:21] <victhor> I thought magjacks were used instead of standard jacks and a discrete transformer
[13:21] <victhor> so you have the transformer inside the jack
[13:22] <jojo> victhor: yes, it is mainly about saving board space
[13:22] <victhor> I don't think ethernet will work at all without this transformer, because every single device has it
[13:23] <jojo> ethernet works over 100m, so the two endpoints can be at different ground potential
[13:23] <Flea86> victhor: Indeed
[13:23] <victhor> so it's a isolation transformer, right?
[13:23] <Flea86> yes
[13:24] <des2> http://www.molex.com/mx_upload/family/magnetic_modular_jacks/hypejak.pdf
[13:24] <Flea86> well that's one of it's functions.. :)
[13:25] <des2> You don't want your ethernet cable to be one giant ground loop
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[13:26] <Hexxeh> Does the FAT32 partition for booting need to be the first partition?
[13:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[13:26] <Hexxeh> Also, does the Pi support booting from GPT?
[13:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> GPT?
[13:27] <Hexxeh> As opposed to an MBR partitioned disk
[13:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha umm I dont know
[13:27] <des2> The Pi boots of SD no matter waht
[13:27] <Hexxeh> Well, the first partition is reserved on Chromium OS
[13:27] <Hexxeh> That might be a problem
[13:27] <Flea86> des2: Can it not also boot off usb pendrive as another option?
[13:28] <drazyl> Flea86 no
[13:28] <des2> No
[13:28] <Ben64> <des2> The Pi boots of SD no matter waht
[13:28] <Flea86> oh :/
[13:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> it boots from the SD bu tthat can point to a USB stick
[13:28] <Ben64> except for the typo, its clear
[13:28] <des2> It always boots of SD, then you can have the SD card pass off the boot to wherever.
[13:28] <Ben64> why would you want to boot off of a usb flash drive anyway
[13:28] <Hexxeh> You'd need the kernel on the SD
[13:28] <Ben64> usb hard drive, i could understand
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[13:29] <Hexxeh> Which is a pain
[13:29] <Hexxeh> Or at the very least, a bootloader
[13:30] <RaYmAn> It's not really THAT much of a pain =P you can just add any cheap old sdcard and put kernel there
[13:30] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: compared to e.g. Tegra2 devices it's beautiful ;)
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[13:30] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: I disagree, at least tegra 2 devices don't care what partition your kernel is on
[13:31] <Hexxeh> And tegra 2 can boot from GPT disks
[13:31] <Hexxeh> :(
[13:31] <des2> From the FAQ: You have to boot from SD but a USB HD can ?take over? after the initial boot. You cannot boot without an SD card.
[13:31] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: you're right for uboot ofc. But tegra2 devices use an extremely custom "partition" layout
[13:31] <Flea86> des2: Well, SD card isn't too bad I suppose, at least it can load usb mass-storage drivers after bootup.. :)
[13:32] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: True, but u-boot hides that complexity
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[13:32] <victhor> you need to have that card in at all times... unfortunately it has no internal flash :(
[13:32] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: who knows, maybe it's possible to replace the sd-card kernel with a second-stage bootloader :)
[13:33] <Hexxeh> You can.
[13:33] <Hexxeh> But eww.
[13:33] <Hexxeh> I'm trying to set this up for schools so they can just image a bunch of SD cards and fill a classroom with Pi
[13:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> Chrome Pi
[13:33] <Ben64> they already have sd images
[13:34] <Flea86> victhor: Harder to replace internal flash, not so hard to replace the SD card }:A
[13:34] <Flea86> (if it fails)
[13:34] <RaYmAn> Flea86: definitely :) Unbrickable ftw! :P
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[13:34] <jon1012> hi
[13:34] <Hexxeh> Maybe hex-editing the closed source bootloader to boot from another partition is possible
[13:34] <Ben64> what
[13:34] <jon1012> someone knows what is the max speed of gpio writes on the raspberrypi ?N
[13:34] <Hexxeh> Lack of GPT is still a huge problem though
[13:35] <Ben64> Hexxeh: you should really look at how it boots
[13:35] <jon1012> (port manipulation, like on a mcu)
[13:35] <Hexxeh> Need minimum of 6 partitions really
[13:35] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: iirc, it should be possible to have an out-of-GPT boot partition?
[13:35] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: I don't think it'll support that?
[13:35] <Ben64> you can have >6 partitions on mbr
[13:35] <Hexxeh> Ben64: only with logical partitions
[13:35] <Ben64> yep
[13:35] <Hexxeh> not ideal
[13:35] <Ben64> works fine
[13:36] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: I dunno..but it seems like it just opens partition 1 as vfat and reads files off it
[13:36] <drazyl> why so many parts?
[13:36] <Hexxeh> drazyl: robust update system
[13:36] <Ben64> one for /etc, one for /usr, one for /dev......
[13:36] <Hexxeh> no...
[13:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> one part to rule them ...
[13:36] <Hexxeh> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/disk-format
[13:37] <Hexxeh> Multiple copies of the root FS
[13:37] <Hexxeh> If your update fails, you have a copy to fall-back on
[13:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'm not sure if you could make the MBR parts in the wrong order and have the fat32 one later ...
[13:38] <drazyl> hmmm, looks like an overengineered mess to me
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[13:39] <Ben64> seems better to use debian, arch, or fedora
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[13:39] <des2> BTW this is why letting your chinese discount factory source your parts is fraught with peril.
[13:39] <des2> Usually it's counterfeit parts though.
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[13:40] <Ben64> so all the caps are going to explode in a few months?
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[13:40] <des2> Been there have the dead mother boards.
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[13:40] <Ben64> oh, there aren't many capacitors
[13:40] <des2> (exploding cap)
[13:41] <des2> More like counterfeit chips like voltage regulators
[13:41] <Ben64> if i'm looking at the board correctly, i see... one electrolytic capacitor?
[13:41] <des2> This also why making only 10,000 first batch was a really good idea.
[13:41] <Lord_DeathMatch> had that happen to me once; only a small one, ~100KOhm. Like someone fired a pistol in the room :/
[13:41] <des2> Cause I assumed there would be issues like this.
[13:42] <des2> Especialy when they indicated the factory was sourcing parts.
[13:42] <Ben64> i had a transistor literally explode off of the mobo once
[13:42] <Ben64> made my computer freeze :(
[13:42] <Lord_DeathMatch> huh
[13:43] <des2> There was a Software Defined Radio project that went through a similar problem when they let their Chinese factory source the parts for them
[13:43] <Ben64> opened case, it was sitting on the bottom
[13:43] <Lord_DeathMatch> oh dear
[13:43] <jzu> some of the capacitors on my former motherboard exploded too
[13:44] <jzu> after removing them (2), the motherboard was up and running again
[13:44] <drazyl> you want to explode capacitors in a valve amp, much more fun
[13:44] <jzu> but the third one was too much :-)
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[13:46] <jzu> drazyl: never happened to me, but I change them in old amps
[13:46] <drazyl> old selmer treble'n'bass amp
[13:47] <jzu> cool
[13:48] <jzu> I have an old hifi amp from the 50's I found in the street
[13:48] <jzu> converted it for guitar
[13:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> my favoriote one was a dual xeon motherboard - on of the chips has a massive heasink on it held on the board with a tension clip - the heatsink heats up and eventually melts the solder of the clips leading to the heatsnk falling off and the board failing
[13:48] <jzu> but I had to change pretty much every component in it in the process :-)
[13:50] <jzu> electrolytic capacitors have a _very_ limited guaranteed lifetime
[13:50] <des2> http://www.funcubedongle.com/?p=383
[13:51] <des2> That's the story of the funcube dongle where they got a lot of failing boards due to a badly sourced chinese part.
[13:51] <alk_> :[
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[14:03] <des2> "The initial checks ensure that electrically everything is sound; they don?t check that the network works. (Because if everything is electrically sound and we take it on trust that the jack is the correct one, we know the network will be fine.) Our mistake was not imagining that the part might have been swapped out for something else."
[14:03] <des2> That would by why they're called "intial tests".
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[14:08] <jzu> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/29/dell-problems-capacitors
[14:10] <des2> I've got 3 Dells in my house and one Shuttle with that issue
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[14:11] <gen_stuk> des2: what issue?
[14:11] <des2> See jzu's post right above.
[14:12] <gen_stuk> des2: you have 3 dells pc with capacitors explosions? O_o
[14:13] <jzu> I think my mobo had these capacitors too
[14:13] <des2> There's a wikipage for the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
[14:13] <des2> None exploded, they just all buldged and caused the computers to crash.
[14:13] <IT_Sean> I know what the problem is.
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[14:13] <IT_Sean> ... it's a Dell.
[14:14] <gen_stuk> i have that probelm with a netgear router
[14:14] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: so Dell is a bad pc?
[14:15] <IT_Sean> gen_stuk: i don't like them. They have had some quality issues in the past that have turned me off.
[14:15] <IT_Sean> Dell is the Kia of the computer world. 's cheap plastic crap.
[14:15] <des2> People badmouth dells but I've found them to be extremely reliable except for the capacitor issue that affected several companies.
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[14:15] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: So what type of pc do you buy?
[14:15] <IT_Sean> I have never had a problem w/ a Dell server, but, i have generally found their budget PCs to be crap.
[14:16] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: The same for hp consumer :P
[14:16] <IT_Sean> gen_stuk: i'm a Mac user, but... I generally recommend IBM / Lenovo for laptops, and desktop PCs i part & build myself.
[14:17] <IT_Sean> My office is mostly HP desktops. They are pretty solid.
[14:18] <Kolin> we use dell desktops mostly
[14:18] <Kolin> and never had a problem
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[14:18] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: nope... recently i have buy 4 hp notebook.... 2 are explose with the same problem. The other 2 have the nvidia video card problem
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[14:19] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: what is the problem with your dell?
[14:19] <IT_Sean> I'm not saying that all Dell is crap... I'm just saying that I would not buy a Dell PC, due to past experiance.
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[14:22] <Flea86> IT_Sean: Perhaps they might consider selling boxed/rebadged raspi systems to further lower costs..
[14:22] <Flea86> :)
[14:23] <IT_Sean> whaT?
[14:23] <IT_Sean> oh... heh
[14:23] <IT_Sean> I doubt it.
[14:24] <Flea86> IT_Sean: Well, considering dell doesn't currently do much with ARM, i'd agree..
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[14:35] <gen_stuk> so if it was 10k now with the manual substitucion it will be 9k :P
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[14:35] <des2> 9k >
[14:35] <des2> ?
[14:36] <IT_Sean> O_o
[14:36] <gen_stuk> do you know what substituction of an element mean?
[14:37] <gen_stuk> is the bad operation to do on a board
[14:37] <gen_stuk> much cost
[14:37] <gen_stuk> manual operation
[14:38] <gen_stuk> maybe 1k bad is too big... but some board for me are put in basket :)
[14:39] <gen_stuk> but for my experiment i don't use ehernet so you can send me the crappy board ;D
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[14:40] <IT_Sean> No "bad" raspi boards would be sent out, gen_stuk
[14:40] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/setting-expectations
[14:40] <zgreg> pretty much what I've been saying the last few weeks
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[14:42] <gen_stuk> IT_Sean: yes i know... but for test i can buy that :)
[14:42] <des2> I don't think people appreciate 1 - how slow the processor is, 2 - how having 256MB and a slow SD card limits what you should be running.
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[14:42] <Kolin> there are going to be a lot of dissapointed people :)
[14:43] <zgreg> indeed
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[14:43] <zgreg> check /r/raspberry_pi on reddit for example
[14:43] <gen_stuk> des2: 256ram... can load os and run some program in ram... it a perfect substitucion of arduino :P
[14:44] <zgreg> some people have outright crazy ideas where you can say now that it won't work sufficiently
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[14:44] <des2> Yeah certainly a major step above the 16Mhz Arduino.
[14:44] <gen_stuk> this is for my scope :)
[14:44] <zgreg> gen_stuk: actually it's a crappy replacement for typical arduino stuff
[14:45] <gen_stuk> zgreg: why?
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[14:45] <des2> More power use, no analog in/out or PWM, less I/o.
[14:46] <zgreg> no realtime capabilities
[14:46] <des2> Yeah I forgot that one. No percise timing.
[14:46] <gen_stuk> ok... not for the basic operation but for simply game
[14:47] <gen_stuk> arduino + vga + display
[14:47] <gen_stuk> something like gameduino
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[14:47] <gen_stuk> for me can simply doing with pi
[14:48] <gen_stuk> and the PWM of arduino is simply you can specify the time is a preset
[14:48] <jzu> there are features on an Arduino you won't find on a R-Pi
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[14:48] <jzu> like analog input
[14:48] <jzu> or really precise timing
[14:48] <gen_stuk> ok but
[14:49] <gen_stuk> is the same for arduino
[14:49] <zgreg> uhm, what?
[14:49] <jzu> yes, it's a matter of choice
[14:49] <gen_stuk> and a lot of 'plugin' for arduino born after the first arduino board
[14:49] <gen_stuk> maybe after the pi go iut
[14:49] <gen_stuk> out*
[14:49] <jzu> either analog input, or a screen and an os
[14:50] <gen_stuk> some board born...an usb with time clock and analog input for example
[14:50] <zgreg> anyway, rpi can be useful for high-level stuff; an AVR can be trivially attached to the rpi (through I2C or SPI)
[14:50] <gen_stuk> zgreg: yes
[14:50] <gen_stuk> zgreg: i develop avr board :P
[14:50] <gen_stuk> atmega, atxmega
[14:50] <jzu> trivially for you and me, not for anybody
[14:51] <zgreg> the arduino hardware might not be suitable since it's all very much 5V stuff
[14:51] <zgreg> and raspberry pi requires 3.3V for i/o
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[14:51] <gen_stuk> yes
[14:52] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Could be worse, most SoC's today have 1.8 V I/O <.<
[14:52] <zgreg> jzu: right, but it's easily possible to come up with some extension board, that's my point
[14:52] <jzu> the Arduino already has pre-soldered connectors, you have to solder them on the R-Pi
[14:52] <gen_stuk> i prefer an extension board for timer,analog ecc... and not an extension board with an os
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[14:53] <jzu> so to me, the R-Pi is pretty much a "mostly-software" machine
[14:53] <des2> Arduino moved to 3.3 V with the Duo.
[14:53] <slaeshjag> jzu: Although even blind people can solder 2.54 mm spaced pin headers
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[14:53] <jzu> say you have a classroom with 20 pupils...
[14:53] <Henchman21> i dont think blind people do much soldering
[14:54] <jzu> you, the teacher, will have to solder all them 20 boards
[14:54] <zgreg> haha yeah I've also seen people fuck up 2.54mm stuff
[14:54] <gen_stuk> slaeshjag: not every :P i know some good developer but terribly welders
[14:54] <slaeshjag> really?
[14:54] <jzu> I'm quite used to soldering, and I know I can mess things up rather easily
[14:54] <Caver> lol ~ welding ... MIG or TIG? :P
[14:54] <Henchman21> i'd think if a blind person tried they'd end up with burn fingers
[14:55] <slaeshjag> I was introduced to soldering when I was 7, I managed to solder that kind of stuff without shorting anything. Although that doesn't really speak for everybody
[14:55] <Caver> maybe not blind, but partially sighted
[14:55] <jzu> beginners could easily fry the whole system
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[14:55] <Caver> well at this price, won't be a total disaster
[14:56] <gen_stuk> its an art solder
[14:56] <gen_stuk> :)
[14:56] <des2> If there's an expension board sold with the arduino as a package I could see the connector being pre soldered.
[14:57] <Henchman21> hey isnt the gpio bus just solder blobs?
[14:57] <des2> Blob?
[14:57] <des2> No connector is installed.
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[14:58] <Henchman21> sure? i dont remember seeing a pin header for the gpio's
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[14:58] <chris_99> yes look at some of the photos
[14:59] <IT_Sean> Henchman21: The first batch has a header soldered on.
[14:59] <IT_Sean> I don't know if subseuqent batches will or not.
[14:59] <IT_Sean> The initial plan was to leave it off so that people could use whatever type of header they wanted
[14:59] <chris_99> it'd be a bit odd if they didn't
[14:59] <victhor> I hope not
[14:59] <Caver> the GPIO header was the beta boards ... the finals don't
[14:59] <IT_Sean> Ahh... ok.
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[14:59] <victhor> not everyone wants male headers mounted on the top side of the board.
[14:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> except the finls do have them on
[15:00] <des2> Right the Beta has it soldered the production don't because there's 3 different orientatins people could choose.
[15:01] <IT_Sean> des2: The first bach of finals DO have the header on, due to a miscommunication somewhere. However, subesquent batches should come with NO header installer.
[15:01] <IT_Sean> *installed.
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[15:02] <des2> Sean I thought that was why the Beta boards had the connector soldered.
[15:02] <des2> Not the first 10,000 production.
[15:03] <des2> "For example the trial run of the beta boards had the GPIO connector mounted 'by accident' as the foundation forgot to omit it."
[15:03] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/rationale-behind-missing-connectors
[15:03] <IT_Sean> Was it the betas? I thought i had heard that some of the production units had 'em as well.
[15:03] <IT_Sean> I could be mistaken.
[15:03] * IT_Sean shurgs
[15:03] * IT_Sean shrugs, even
[15:03] <des2> You shurged by accident.
[15:04] * IT_Sean nods
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[15:17] <Caver> I presume you have all seen the hickup with the ethernet port?
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[15:18] <gen_stuk> you're correct
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[15:24] <rm> I'm not convinced it really means 'no network connection' at all
[15:24] <rm> maybe it would be less reliable, or violating FCC rules at interference etc
[15:24] <Caver> it would work, just wouldn't have the range and anything that doesn't play nicely with PoE would potentially blow the SoC up
[15:24] <Caver> no not the SoC, I mean the ethernet chip
[15:25] <rm> makes me a bit more confident not preordering was the right choice
[15:25] * IT_Sean is suddenly glad he has not preordered as well
[15:25] * Caver still glad I did
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[15:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> OK - it's just hit /.
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> bloody /.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Dammit. I don't care about the jack.
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[15:30] <ukscone> oh cooli have /. mod points today :) yay
[15:30] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil: other people might.
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Sure.
[15:31] <des2> I guess now they see how the new server perform\s
[15:31] <ukscone> des2: :)
[15:31] <chris_99> why don't they test the first board that comes off the press, so they don't have to fix 10,000 boards
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Given that - for example - RS hasn't even sent confirmatory emails - it would be trivial for them to ask if the buyer is happy to lose the jack.
[15:32] <ukscone> chris_99: they did but not the type of testing that will discover this type of problem
[15:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> I think they did - but it may not of show up
[15:32] <Caver> I think the problem is they'd break the FCC regs
[15:32] <chris_99> i mean a proper full test
[15:33] <chris_99> not just testing connections
[15:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> that is what we are here for - when we get them in our hands and find things that dont work
[15:33] <ukscone> chris_99: you can't do the type of test that will discover this problem unless you have it in your hands and it's not the type of thing the factory would test
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[15:33] <ukscone> they just check that everything is on and checked against their list of parts
[15:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> 1st 10k are proper beta testers
[15:34] <ukscone> real testing is upto the customer and they can't do that until they have them in hand
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Without integrated magjacks means that it will explode if you plug it to a POE device, for example.
[15:34] <des2> Why is why you dn't do 100,000 on your first batch
[15:34] <des2> Raspberry Pi in the Face.
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> I wonder who sourced the jacks.
[15:35] <Caver> the factory
[15:35] <Caver> they just hand over Bill Of Materials (the BOM)
[15:35] <IT_Sean> The factroy was told to use jack X, and they used jack M instead.
[15:35] <IT_Sean> basically.
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> Basically wondering who's on the hook for the bill.
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[15:37] <IT_Sean> I would assume the factory.
[15:37] <IT_Sean> But, i don't know that for sure.
[15:37] <des2> Usually the deal is the factory, because they source the parts for an agreed upon price.
[15:37] <drazyl> seems reasonable for it to be the factory as they are not built to spec
[15:38] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: should be the factory but then again that's just how it SHOULD work not how it often does
[15:38] <des2> And so they shop around for the best price and pocket the profit.
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[15:42] <ReggieUK> What price do you reckon they'd sell a semi borked model B for?
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[15:43] <ReggieUK> Hands up who's willing to try and do the rework yourself if the pi was, say, $10-15
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[15:43] <ReggieUK> \o/
[15:44] <des2> Yeah that would pay for a decent USB to Ethernet device
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[15:44] <ReggieUK> I don't quite understand why it's taken them this long to spot the mistake though? As they've had the boards before now
[15:44] <drazyl> pay to but the right bloody part and solder it on
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[15:47] <ukscone> ReggieUK: they've only had them a week and they said they "knew" 4 days ago but had to check "all" the boards (statistical selection) and then confirm via x-rays -- that takes a bit of time then before they could say anything they have to deal with the factory and tell element14/farnell/rs and see about replacement parts
[15:47] <ukscone> as soon as it was all confirmed then they could let us know but no point in telling us until they know what's what
[15:47] <BCMM> there's a new mistake?
[15:47] <IT_Sean> BCMM: factroy fitted the wrong ethernet ports.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> *factory
[15:47] <BCMM> oh dear.
[15:47] <des2> But why did Liz say yesterday there was a delay but she didn't know what it was ?
[15:48] <des2> BCCM see http://www.raspberrypi.org it's on the front page.
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[15:49] <ReggieUK> ukscone, thanks dude, I hadn't read the front page :D
[15:49] <ukscone> ReggieUK: :)
[15:49] <ReggieUK> at least that pushing back orders into may was a mistake
[15:49] <ReggieUK> pi give with 1 hand and take away with another
[15:49] <des2> Maybe it wasn't...
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[15:50] <ukscone> ReggieUK: it actually means people who were going to NOT get from the first batch will probably get their Pi's before those that woke up at 6am and got theirs and then crashed the servers :) that'll teach 'em
[15:50] <ReggieUK> oh even better :)
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[15:53] <des2> I know where they can get 36,178 jacks: http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/SI-52003-F/380-1119-ND/1635087
[15:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> ukscone I dont see that - farnell and rs are still teh distruters so when ehy get tehm they still come out .1st
[15:53] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: i know i was just trying to make ReggieUK feel better :)
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[15:53] <ReggieUK> meh, that's not right, I didn't order a reworked board!!!
[15:54] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: what I find inetresting is that it seems the foundation is still responsible for sourcing the parts even though rs/farnell are going to build them at least that's how i read it. yes the soC i can see but the rest too?
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[15:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeha i also read that ....
[15:55] <ReggieUK> ukscone, I wondered that, didn't seem much point in having farnell/rs as partners if they're making teh boards but can't source parts
[15:55] <ukscone> yes i really don't understand it at all, i sure i am reading it wrong somehow but i can't see where
[15:55] <ukscone> obviously i know squat about how things work obviously
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[15:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.farnell.com/stewart-connector/0813-1x1t-57-f/jack-magnetics-poe-10-100/dp/1901301
[15:58] <drazyl> it may just be a contractual issue with the factory - their contract is probably with the foundation, so any replacement part may need to be through the foundation, hence RS/Farnell "helping"
[15:59] <mkopack> ARGH
[15:59] <mkopack> I assume you guys are discussion the new news?
[15:59] <drazyl> maybe
[15:59] <drazyl> :)
[15:59] <IT_Sean> mkopack: yup.
[16:00] <drazyl> apparently the ponys were fitted with the wrong kind of bridle or something
[16:00] <mkopack> Leave it to the damn chinese to not follow the spec and try to use cheaper parts
[16:01] <drazyl> considering the only reason we can get it so cheap is because of the damn chinese, that's a bit harsh
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[16:01] <IT_Sean> mkopack: stuff like this happens. Not a lot... but, it does happen.
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[16:02] <mkopack> Maybe, but the spec/BOM/whatever said to use XYZ, they used ABC??? hence, they screwed up
[16:02] <IT_Sean> It is not always a case of the factory trying to get away w/ something.
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[16:02] <mkopack> And how did it pass their validation process if it couldn't connect to a network?! That's kind of an important thing to check, right?
[16:03] <drazyl> depends on how/where you are testing
[16:03] <mkopack> Thankfully it's an easy fix, but still, kinda frustrating
[16:03] <drazyl> if you are testing the ethernet chip responds internally you wouldn't notice
[16:03] <des2> She indicated it 'passes electrical testing'
[16:03] <IT_Sean> mkopack: the factory does not check for network connectivity
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> electrical testing = all the pins are connected in the right order
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> != in work
[16:03] <IT_Sean> They JUST check that all the pins are connected.
[16:03] <Caver> it would work on ethernet, just not to spec
[16:04] <des2> "The initial checks ensure that electrically everything is sound; they don?t check that the network works. (Because if everything is electrically sound and we take it on trust that the jack is the correct one, we know the network will be fine.) Our mistake was not imagining that the part might have been swapped out for something else."
[16:04] <mkopack> So anyone see any updates on their order status after this?
[16:04] <Caver> nothing here
[16:04] <des2> How can they update when they have no clue
[16:04] <drazyl> no, but as I don't even had a delivery date, it makes no difference to me
[16:05] <Caver> though it's move 3 times already ... end of march, to end of april, then may, then blog post saying oh no it was farnell's ordering system ignore, now ... I have no idea!!
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[16:05] <mkopack> Caver. man I feel for you. Mine have gone the other direction???
[16:06] <Davespice> guys, sorry if this is going to be a n00b question, but can anyone explain to me the purpose of the magnetic coils inside that RJ45 jack?
[16:06] <mkopack> Rpi#1 - May11 -> April 4-->March 30
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[16:06] <drazyl> electrical isolation
[16:06] <mkopack> Rpi #2: May 14 --> April 3!
[16:06] <Davespice> drazyl: can you elaborate a bit please? :)
[16:06] <Davespice> is there feedback from the board or something?
[16:07] <mkopack> Usually you used a choke like that to cut down on noise
[16:07] <Davespice> okay right, noise from the board or from the Ethernet side?
[16:07] <mkopack> Both :)
[16:07] <drazyl> flaots the earth between both ends of the ethernet cable rather than it being tied to the board (and causing it to go bag when the two ends are at different ground voltages)
[16:07] <mkopack> depends on which pin
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[16:08] <Davespice> okay I see
[16:08] <des2> Dave the transfer also blocks voltages from Power over Ethernet connections
[16:08] <des2> transformer
[16:08] <Caver> also you *can* run power over Ethernet by powering DC on the lines
[16:08] <Davespice> so on a normal ethernet card that would still need to be done, but is probably done downstream inside another component etc
[16:08] <Caver> which of course are meant to be insulated by .. the transformers
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[16:09] <Davespice> okay cool, thanks for the info everyone :)
[16:09] <des2> All devices have transformers on them. It's just convenient to have it in the jack.
[16:09] <Davespice> so I guess a Pi must have got blown up for them to find this?
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[16:10] <Davespice> or it worked till they plugged the ethernet in
[16:10] <des2> Good question.
[16:10] <Davespice> - pop - sizzle -
[16:10] <drazyl> might just have not worked
[16:10] <des2> It's not clear how much if at all the ethernet would have worked with the wrong design.
[16:10] * Davespice nods
[16:10] <Davespice> maybe it could send but not receive, or the other way around
[16:11] <des2> But Liz wrote:
[16:11] <IT_Sean> or perhaps it went BANG!
[16:11] <IT_Sean> or perhaps it Just Didn't Work
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[16:11] <des2> "The initial checks ensure that electrically everything is sound; they don?t check that the network works. (Because if everything is electrically sound and we take it on trust that the jack is the correct one, we know the network will be fine.) Our mistake was not imagining that the part might have been swapped out for something else."
[16:11] <Davespice> I know, we're guessing
[16:11] <Davespice> des2: very good point that
[16:11] <des2> So it sounds like they didn't check the ethernet until recently.
[16:12] <IT_Sean> Either way, indstead of being upset at the delay, be glad they found the issue before any shipped.
[16:12] <Davespice> who'se upset?
[16:12] <drazyl> no, we must NERD RAGE THROUGH THE FORUMS!!!!!
[16:12] <Davespice> I'm fine with it, I just wanted to understand the issue better
[16:12] <IT_Sean> I'm just saying, in general.
[16:12] <IT_Sean> That wasn't directed at you, Davespice
[16:12] <Henchman21> so the manufacturer tried to cut a corner to save some cash?
[16:12] <mkopack> Sean: True??? easier for them to fix it now than have a whole ton of us screaming that our boards are dead or the eNet doesn't work (or worse we plugged it in and it fried out routers/switches)
[16:12] <des2> Could be Henchman.
[16:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> well teh new forums hardware is hoding up
[16:13] <des2> Could just be counterfeit parts.
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[16:13] <Henchman21> this project gets better by the day :P
[16:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> repalce with PoE partsd
[16:13] <Davespice> des2: so you mean the factory could have been under the impression they were the right parts?
[16:13] <mkopack> BTW, des, wasn't it you that pointed me to the USB-->Micro cables yesterday @ Meritline?
[16:14] <des2> Yes mkopack
[16:14] <Davespice> I suppose it could also have been a genuine mistake
[16:14] <Henchman21> a lot of people want power over ethernet
[16:14] <mkopack> des: Shipped out this morning! Thanks again for the link
[16:14] <Davespice> Henchman21: would that provide enough ampage?
[16:14] <Caver> yes more than
[16:14] <des2> Good I hope they arrive within 3 weeks.
[16:15] <mkopack> If it shipped out this morning, I probably will have it monday or tuesday...
[16:15] <mkopack> Oh wait scratch that??? shipped from CHIna??? Yeah, 2-3 weeks
[16:16] <Caver> I thought they were air frating them, but ... have lost track a bit
[16:17] <des2> POE can typically supply 350/600 mA which is a little marginal for Pi.
[16:18] <mkopack> Ah, might work for the A, but there's no Enet on A
[16:18] <Henchman21> heh
[16:18] <des2> But the wattage is sufficient if you use a DC-DC converter.
[16:18] <Davespice> it needs 700 mA as far as I remember
[16:18] <mkopack> Caver: I'm talking about the USB-->Micro USB cables des pointed me to yesterday from Meritline
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[16:19] <des2> Cause it can supply 13/25 watts. Which is more than enough for the 3.5W PI.
[16:19] <mkopack> $2.99 for 3 of them, with free shipping
[16:19] <Caver> aha ... that sounds v. useful!
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[16:22] <des2> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=8639&seq=1&format=2
[16:22] <Caver> Gold Plated lol
[16:22] <des2> You can also get them in the US from monoprice + shipping for some decent 24 ga.
[16:22] <des2> At 99 cents/ea.
[16:23] <des2> Shipping for 3 would be about $3.
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[16:26] <piofcube> Talk about unfortunate
[16:26] * Caver comforts piofcube
[16:27] <mkopack> Anyhow, I did some playing around with the SheevaPlug last night. Got Debian installed on it (well, rather, on an 8GB USB stick plugged into it..) Installed Zoneminder and hooked up a web cam??? Still have some debugging to do to get Zoneminder working with the Cam though.
[16:27] <piofcube> No worries... just a shame for the foundation really...
[16:27] <mkopack> pio: Eh, better they find it now and fix it than have 100,000 of them out in the wild that are borked.
[16:27] <Caver> yeah ... I think the factory kinds screwed them over there
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[16:28] <piofcube> you mean.. meh... save ourselves a few red notes and no-one notices?
[16:29] <des2> Sounds like you made progress mkopack.
[16:29] <Caver> or they .. got screwed over by their suppliers
[16:29] <Caver> we don't know and probably not nice to make wild assumptions
[16:30] <mkopack> des: Getting there??? now it's just a matter of scratching my head because I don't know what's wrong. I THINK everything is configged correctly. The ZM instructions seem to be a bit lacking IMO
[16:31] <piofcube> true... very true... but one thing that is certain... it wasn't the foundation that "tried it on". But I understand how some will think negatively about factories in certain parts of the world after all those bad companies making shoddy goods.
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[16:31] <drazyl> "Jamesh is right ??? they sent us test units which *did* have the right part on before they moved to a larger batch. "
[16:32] <piofcube> mkopack: You got your SheevaPlug working? great
[16:32] <des2> Why you don't let chinese factories source your parts: THe story of funcube dongle another UK maker: http://www.funcubedongle.com/?p=383
[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> drazyl -= url
[16:33] <mkopack> pio: Yeah??? had to switch to using a USB stick for the filesystem??? Just wasn't having ANY luck doing it with the SD.. and the internal flash just isn't really big enough IMO.
[16:33] <drazyl> RaTTuS|BIG in the forums - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/new-post-on-main-page-manufacturing-hiccup-please-keep-comments-about-it-in-this-thread/page-2
[16:33] <drazyl> Post from Liz
[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> ta - unread topics is being Meh!
[16:34] <mkopack> drazyl: Yup, figures??? "Here are the samples. See they work. Approved to move forward?" Ok, now we replace all the GOOD parts with cheap crap. They won't know. We make Profit!
[16:34] <des2> "The whole first batch. And they're being airfreighted, hopefully at the start of next week."
[16:34] <des2> Now will it be again too much for them to tell people when they're actually air freighted ?
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[16:37] <piofcube> If only I could get Synergy to work... :-S
[16:38] <des2> I htink that's exactly it mkopack.
[16:38] <des2> Which is why you grab a board at random of the production line.
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[17:15] <mkopack> Room split?
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[17:18] <des2> More likely just pants split
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[17:20] <Caver> LOL ... you do know what pants means in the UK don't you?
[17:20] <Caver> I'm not putting duct tape there
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[17:21] <des2> No actually I don't.
[17:21] <des2> Seneca states on the Fedora Remix Installation page that microSD cards with an adapter will not work with the Raspberry PI.
[17:21] <des2> Is this true?
[17:22] <des2> Liz: At the moment there seem to be some conflicting opinions on this. We?re trying to find out.
[17:22] <mkopack> des: That seems weird. Why wouldn't they?
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: SD card incompatibilites are rife.
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[17:26] <mkopack> Ok, a friend sent me this, in relation to our current Rpi dilemma http://blog.makezine.com/2012/02/17/reel-crime-the-pulse-sensor-counterfeit-leds-story/
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[17:34] <des2> Another good counterfeit story mkopack
[17:34] <des2> Sparkfun also got hit by counterfeits...
[17:34] <Caver> thanks - an interesting read
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[17:35] <des2> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/364
[17:35] <mkopack> And people wonder why those jet fighters cost so much - EVERY part on the plane requires strict tight sourcing controls to make sure crap like this doesn't happen
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[17:37] <mkopack> des: is there a follow up to that spark fun one?
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[17:42] <des2> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/395
[17:44] <ReggieUK> mkopack, that's the price you pay for mil spec hardware :)
[17:44] <ReggieUK> bsod at 40,000ft isn't going to cut it
[17:45] <piofcube> bsod = ground assisted breaking
[17:45] <mkopack> Exactlt
[17:45] <ReggieUK> 'Hi, erm, is that F-14 tech support? I'm having an issue at 40,000ft'
[17:46] <ReggieUK> 'did you try turning it off, wait 5seconds and turn it back on again'
[17:46] <piofcube> Have you tried rebooting the computer, sir?
[17:46] <mkopack> Plus mil spec parts have to work in much bigger temp extremes, typically have to be RadHard against EMP, etc.
[17:46] <Caver> "have you tried turning it off and back on again"
[17:46] <mkopack> Caver: LOL
[17:46] <Caver> lol how long till someone wants a .mil spec RPi?
[17:46] <mkopack> LOVE LOVE LOVE "The IT Crowd"
[17:47] <Caver> me too ... the fire screensave is still one of my favorite comedy scenes
[17:47] <mkopack> Hell, I see how people are pitching the SheevaPlugs as network intrusion devices for spies
[17:47] <piofcube> This is the internet... It's wireless
[17:47] <weasel> if you want some of those turning off and on again stories, I recommend the navy aviators' safety magazine
[17:47] <weasel> they tell quite enjoyable stories - for those not in the air
[17:48] <ReggieUK> no thanks weasel, I worked in a call centre as tech support
[17:48] <mkopack> Face it.. most people would see a Plug Comp and not think twice about it??? It just looks like a big power supply plug??? Put it under a desk, hook it into the LAN and away you go.. Nobody would be the wiser unless they have some serious network monitoring to look for unknown MAC addresses
[17:48] <weasel> http://safetycenter.navy.mil/ - _Approach_ is the magazine
[17:48] <Caver> weasel, is there a link?
[17:48] <Caver> aha
[17:48] <Caver> great
[17:48] <ReggieUK> then again, on milspec hardware you will more than likely get a decent datasheet
[17:49] <Caver> lol yes thats true
[17:49] <nuil> news from rs?
[17:49] <piofcube> I wonder if it has the... This is a naval warship.. get out of the way... Reply: This is a lighthouse... you move out of the way.. article LOL
[17:49] <Caver> but probably not the $25 price
[17:49] <weasel> [ http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Pages/media/approach/approach.aspx ]
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[17:52] <piofcube> ..and besides I always thought it was dangerous to "open Windows" at 40,000ft LOL
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[17:52] <Caver> *groans*
[17:52] <ReggieUK> could be worse, you could be re-directed to the app store at 40,000ft
[17:52] <ReggieUK> 'damn, where's my CC'
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[17:53] <piofcube> my mother always says she is "opening her computer"... no matter how many times I tell her she'd need a screwdriver to do that LOL... bless her ;-)
[17:55] <piofcube> I'm just glad I got her onto Linux early on.
[17:56] <Caver> nah ... crow bar - much more effective
[17:56] <slaeshjag> or angle grinder
[17:56] <piofcube> lol
[17:56] <slaeshjag> depending on how bas-ass you want to look
[17:56] <Hourd> piofcube: your mother uses linux? Q_Q
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[17:57] <piofcube> Hourd: yep she does and finds it easier than Windows...
[17:57] <Hourd> i'm jelly
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[17:57] <o19> Hey, has anyone been able to find out more about the pre-order process for the model A's?
[17:57] <Hourd> piofcube: mine uses windows and iOS
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[17:59] <drazyl> dont think there is a preorder for the Model A yet
[17:59] <Caver> o19, I think they are being tested before it's finalised and they start accepting orders yet
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[18:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> when they have working b's then they'll look at a's
[18:00] <piofcube> She even does the updates herself now... When she was using windows, she'd get popups explaining that there was a virus... click here to remove it... :-( Since I edumacated her and put on Linux, she's never got infected.
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[18:01] <Caver> it's good to have a non-infectious mother I find
[18:01] <piofcube> LOL
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[18:02] <des2> edumacation is good.
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[18:02] <piofcube> One of my brothers was a WinXP fan-boy... but after several events such as his modem starting to dial a ??1.50 per minute connection to the 'net and other long-drawn out nasties... He's quite the linux convert also.
[18:02] <Hourd> hehe
[18:02] <Hourd> linux > *
[18:03] <o19> RaTTuS, Caver, okay, thanks. It's become quite hard to get any semi-reliable information since "release day"...
[18:03] <alk_> hehe
[18:03] <alk_> "release day" == fund transfer day
[18:03] <piofcube> He calls me up once a month or so to tell me everything is still fine... Pre-linux it would be 1 call per week because something wasn't working right.
[18:03] <Caver> did you see the front page and the latest hickup?
[18:03] <alk_> nope?
[18:04] <o19> yes, checked it minutes ago... but problems with the Ethernet hardware shuldn't affect the A's...
[18:04] <alk_> looking
[18:04] <Caver> go look @ www.raspberrypi.org then!!
[18:04] <alk_> :]
[18:05] <o19> but if it's just about getting the B's out first, I do understand...
[18:05] <Caver> o19, nope ... but might push back the time line as they'll want to get the B's sorted 1st
[18:05] <des2> Why should they make any As when there's a several month backload of B's ?
[18:05] <piofcube> Best part with my mother was... I sent the Ubuntu 10 disc to her and walked her through the install... Peice of cake... I checked a couple of weeks later when I was at her's and she did it right :-)
[18:05] <hotwings> funny.. all our xp boxes were rock solid. my windows 7 boxes are rock solid. and for the short time i used vista, it was mostly solid (but did have a couple hiccups)
[18:06] <Caver> A's are meant for schools really
[18:07] <des2> A's are menat to prevent kids from searching the Internet for porn.
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[18:07] <hotwings> most of the time, "windows problems" like random crashing, freezing, etc arent even windows at all.. its crap ram, psu, etc
[18:07] <hotwings> $5 usb wifi -> porn back up :]
[18:08] <o19> des2, Caver, I got that, I've been following the project for a while now. But in the announcement for the "release" they said, that they'll be taking orders for the A's now...
[18:08] <Caver> hotwings, ROFTL ... yeah right
[18:08] <o19> and that was the last official information about the A#s that I was able to find...
[18:09] <Caver> o19, fair enough .... all I know is from the site! not much has been said about the A's recently
[18:09] <hotwings> Caver - ?
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[18:09] <Caver> remember they are a *tiny* team
[18:09] <o19> I didn't want to offend anyone... Just wanted to step by to ask :)
[18:10] <des2> There's was an update on the A's o19
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[18:10] <o19> Could've been, that I missed something...
[18:10] <des2> This week a batch are being tested in the UK.
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> URL me
[18:10] <des2> This is prior to manufacturing them.
[18:10] <hotwings> o19 - no reason asking a question should offend anyone. if it does, that person should go have a wank or something and settle down
[18:12] <hotwings> Guest20641 - i saw the "farn" in your @host as "farnell" for a second and though youve got quite the pair to come in here :)
[18:12] <des2> Liz: "True. We?re building a run of Model As in the UK next week for qualification purposes, and will try to make them available for pre-order as soon as we know the design is solid."
[18:12] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/723#comments
[18:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> in the comment s
[18:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha right
[18:13] <o19> that's exactly a piece of info that I've been looking for...
[18:13] <hotwings> rpi pre-ordering has left a bad taste in my mouth. i wont be doing it
[18:13] <des2> I can understand that hotwings.
[18:14] <des2> But the money is going to RS and Farnell
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's what you get for being on the bleeding edge
[18:14] <des2> Not to some foundation where you ahve to worrk they're going to take off with it.
[18:14] <piofcube> bleeding edge? I thought it was raspberry juice
[18:14] <des2> It's Raspberry jam not blood.
[18:14] <IT_Sean> des2: trying to prevent a kid from searching for porn on the innernet is like trying to stop the earth from spinning.
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> stains the same
[18:15] <Caver> has anyone been charged yet?
[18:15] <piofcube> just for bad jokes :P
[18:15] <hotwings> im not worried about being ripped off, i just dont like to inconsistency. im reserving any further orders until everyone gets their shit together
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can always plug a usb NIC in to a model a
[18:15] <des2> Not if their model Raspberry Pi has no Internet connection Sean.
[18:15] <IT_Sean> des2: USB NIC
[18:15] <IT_Sean> Kids are crafty little buggers.
[18:15] <piofcube> tether it to their phones
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Hell... I had the admin passwords to the entire school wsystem network by the 6th grade.
[18:16] <des2> If they have phones they can just search for porn there.
[18:16] <des2> I understand hopwings I haven't ordered yet either.
[18:17] <IT_Sean> meh... porn on mobile devices has its drawbacks.
[18:17] <IT_Sean> small screen size is an issue
[18:17] <piofcube> When I used to teach (further education), their Novell security was bad... when it detected an intrusion event it would send notification only to the computer attempting the security breach... LOL
[18:17] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[18:17] <des2> "Hi we caught you!"
[18:18] <drazyl> "Hi, it looks like you are breaking into the network. Would you like some help?"
[18:18] <IT_Sean> drazyl: stop doing the dancing paperclip
[18:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1514234/ibm-optical-chip-moves-data-at-1tbps
[18:18] <IT_Sean> MS Paperclip Guy: "Hi there. I see you are attempting to type up a document. Would you like me to help you screw it up entirely?"
[18:18] <mkopack> Sean: YEs, but portability is useful!
[18:19] <piofcube> They should have replaced the paperclip with crazy frog O_o
[18:19] <IT_Sean> Yes... But... screen size & resolution is more important than portability when you are looking for porn
[18:19] <fragalot> lmao
[18:19] <hotwings> des2 - ive got 2 orders in, both with newark. one was a search order, the other was an order thru a supplied link from signing my email up as 'interested' or whatever
[18:19] <mkopack> Pinch zoom!
[18:19] <piofcube> IT_Sean: voice of experience there? ;-)
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[18:20] <Mookman288> I like the PIpboy idea.
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[18:20] <fragalot> I got an email from farnell saying the boards were available in the title, but the email body only informs me that i can register my interest
[18:20] <fragalot> seems quite redundant
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[18:22] <IT_Sean> piofcube: Of course.
[18:22] <piofcube> I'm waiting for someone to get some flexy OLED screens and make the new-look HHGTG book
[18:22] <hotwings> rpi available! [font=0.1]for pre-order[/font]
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[18:22] <IT_Sean> What... like you've never looked for porn on your phone!?
[18:22] <Caver> isn't that a "Have you stop beating your wife yet?" type question?
[18:22] <Caver> doomed what ever you say
[18:22] <mkopack> heck, there are sites set up specifically for doing just that Sean! LOL
[18:22] <des2> Does dial-a-porn on old rotary dial phones count ?
[18:23] <IT_Sean> no
[18:23] * SpeedEvil wants 'A young ladies illustrated primer' - way cooler than HHTTG.
[18:23] <IT_Sean> premium rate dirty talk lines do NOT count. ...mostly because they show up on your bill.
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[18:23] <IT_Sean> ... whereas a Google Image search w/ filters turned off does not. :p
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[18:23] <fragalot> IT_Sean: conference call
[18:24] <IT_Sean> o.O
[18:24] <fragalot> make it show up on someone elses' bill
[18:24] <hotwings> piofcube - ive been wanting cheap oled for ages but people are still willing to pay for lcd :(
[18:24] * mkopack loves when you go to a "gentleman's club" and when you get your CC bill the charges are listed as something like "US Bar and Grill" LOL
[18:24] <IT_Sean> ahahahaha!
[18:24] <Caver> what is a "gentleman's club"?
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[18:24] <fragalot> Caver: expensive
[18:24] <mkopack> You KNOW they do that so all the sleazy businessmen on corporate expense accounts can turn in the receipt for reimbursement
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Caver: titties & beer.
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[18:24] <SpeedEvil> One with a predominantly female staff Caver.
[18:24] <IT_Sean> mkopack: and so their wives don't find out
[18:24] <mkopack> Caver: "Shoe Show"
[18:24] <mkopack> Sean: Yup!
[18:24] <Caver> yay
[18:25] <piofcube> hotwings: Yeah... the very small ones are getting cheaper but anything of decent size is... crazy for now
[18:25] <des2> Gentleman's Clubs are places where you don't have to act like a gentleman.
[18:25] <IT_Sean> HHAHA!
[18:26] <IT_Sean> I think my description is the most accurate so far, tbh.
[18:26] <Caver> I'm trying to rememebr the one in TG ....
[18:26] <Caver> just outside Slough
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[18:26] <IT_Sean> Caver: that would be the Spearmint Rhino
[18:26] <Caver> where none of them made it
[18:26] <Caver> thats it :)
[18:26] <Caver> right next to a lovely looking lorry park
[18:26] <mkopack> I've largely gotten bored with those places??? What ruined it for me was when a buddy dragged me along, and he wanted to go to the VIP room with a girl and insisted I get a girl and do the same. I didn't really find any of the girls working interesting, but his girl grabbed her friend to dance for me??? Then we get in there and my girl is telling me how she just got back from spending 3 months in the bahamas with her boyfriend and how
[18:26] <mkopack> Mercedes is in the shop??? I just looked at her and wondered "Why am I giving you money? You obviously have more than I do! I WISH I could spend 3 months in the bahamas!"
[18:26] <IT_Sean> And... um... i know that because.... um... because i watch Top Gear. Yeah. thassit.
[18:26] <Caver> amusingly it was a gay club before hand
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[18:27] <IT_Sean> Caver: was it one w/ a cheeky name? There was a gay nightclub around where i used to live called "The Backdoor"
[18:27] <mkopack> eeeew!
[18:27] <hotwings> i remember seeing a video years ago about oled.. they had a screen about the size of 8.5"x11" paper, rolled up like a treasure map.. the guy unrolled it and started playing a video.. looked amazing! then they said the price was like $50k.... oooookkkkkk, guess ill wait a while
[18:28] <Caver> *tries to remember*
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[18:28] <Caver> nah it was boring - "The Greyhound"
[18:28] <IT_Sean> bummer.
[18:28] <Caver> only if you got lucky
[18:28] * IT_Sean shudders
[18:28] <mkopack> hot: Yeah, those displays are coming, just taking a whole to get them reliable??? OLED tends to have color fade problems after a couple years
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[18:29] <IT_Sean> There are two very distinct and seperate conversations going on. One about skeevy clubs, and one about OLED displays.
[18:30] <des2> You have to keep the organic displays in the fridge else they rot.
[18:30] <IT_Sean> Right. soo... Topic change. OLED displays in sketchy nightclubs!!!
[18:30] * SpeedEvil ponders Skin-tight flexible displays.
[18:30] * IT_Sean would NOT look good in a skin tight OLED suit
[18:30] <des2> I like to strip them down to see what they're made of.
[18:30] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, cloaking device?
[18:31] <Caver> IT_Sean, surely you could be anything you can project
[18:31] <hotwings> some cell phones use oled so they must have a way to stabalize it
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: You could call it that.
[18:31] <IT_Sean> Caver: No. Skin tight anything is NEVER a good look for a man. Men are... ... lumpy.
[18:31] <Caver> I erm ... erk!
[18:31] * IT_Sean shudders
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[18:32] <des2> SO are women just in the right places.
[18:34] <asm> o my
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[18:34] <Caver> what happened to this being PG13 channel?!
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[18:35] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, nor for an old man either
[18:36] <hotwings> its only pg13 from 3pm-9pm, when the kids are home
[18:36] <des2> Have yo ever seen a PG-13 movie ?
[18:36] <des2> Rated PG-13: Parents Are Strongly Cautioned to Give Special Guidance for Attendance of Children Under 13 ? Some Material may be Inappropriate for Children Under 13.
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[18:38] <drazyl> I think even those under 13 know there are a few lumpy differences
[18:38] <Caver> true
[18:38] <Caver> *remembers my 13 year old feelings about the subject*
[18:38] <mkopack> Hot: They figure that the avg lifespan of a cell phone is only about 2-3 years before you replace it, and the screens do last that long??? They just don't last like 5+...
[18:38] <Caver> hmmm
[18:39] <mkopack> and the flexible ones last less than that
[18:39] <des2> Yeah that's a good point. Who keeps a cell longer than 3 years ?
[18:39] <IT_Sean> I do
[18:40] * Caver raises hand sheepishly
[18:40] <ReggieUK> des2, me
[18:40] <IT_Sean> I've had my personal cell for at least 4, possibly 5 yearws.
[18:40] <IT_Sean> &years
[18:40] <des2> I knew that was gonna happen...
[18:40] <ReggieUK> what kind of fool throws money away on new phones every year?
[18:40] <piofcube> If my phones does what I want... why replace it... Though I did get a droid last year LOL
[18:40] <mkopack> They're so damn outdated within 2 years now, you almost have to replace it to keep up with the latest capabilities
[18:40] <BCMM> i went straight from a 3410 to an N900
[18:40] <des2> I should have at least qualified it as to 'who under 21'.
[18:40] <IT_Sean> I also have an iPaq that is far older than that. iPaq HX4700
[18:40] <ReggieUK> does it still make calls? Yes, Does it still do sms? Yes. That's good enough for me
[18:41] <mkopack> Ah, the iPaq???.
[18:41] <mkopack> I had a 5450...
[18:41] <IT_Sean> it's a great handheld!
[18:41] <IT_Sean> the 4700 is a fantastic thing
[18:41] <des2> That was before Apple tradmarked the letter i
[18:41] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:41] <mkopack> Well, I fried the connector port on mine, so it won't charge
[18:41] <mkopack> or rather it won't sync
[18:41] <IT_Sean> And mine even survived a dunking in salt water!
[18:41] <piofcube> Some people seem to suffer something similar to Babbage's disease
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[18:42] <IT_Sean> piofcube: is that the one that makes it burn when you wee?
[18:42] <piofcube> LMAO
[18:42] <ReggieUK> http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/call-of-duty-case-mod-hands-on/
[18:42] <mkopack> I managed to get a 4700 loaded up with a version of linux and then java on it and we ran one of our software products on it for a demo to show how somebody could use our system on a handheld ??? It was SLOOOOOW, but it worked!
[18:42] <IT_Sean> mine still runs winmo. I never did get around to putting *nix onnit
[18:42] <des2> Someday the Raspberry Pi might even run java.
[18:43] <piofcube> when you constantly strive to get better tech before you can even make use of what you already have
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[18:43] <mjr> sure it can run java, just not very much of it ;]
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[18:43] <IT_Sean> ooh
[18:43] <IT_Sean> I don't have that
[18:43] <IT_Sean> My laptop is 9 years old for crissakes
[18:43] <piofcube> but it burns? ;-)
[18:44] <IT_Sean> (although, i AM replacing it soon)
[18:44] <IT_Sean> it isn't even an intel chip! Oo
[18:44] <piofcube> thank goodness for that
[18:44] <des2> Sorry I'm only impressed if its a Cyrix chip.
[18:44] <IT_Sean> PowerPC
[18:44] <mkopack> My personal macbook is going on 5 years now??? still works great??? especially after replacing the battery and swapping out the the hard drive with a SSD
[18:45] <IT_Sean> My poor laptop is dented and battle scarred from years of travel.
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[18:45] <mkopack> although, given Lion is the last version that will support this laptop, I might have to replace it next year before I'm done with grad school and can use that education discount
[18:46] <piofcube> I've had my pc for 20 years... I've replaced the monitor a few times, and the hard drive... motherboard once or twice... ram, of course... and I also moved the whole lot into a new case a few times... same computer though.. ;-)
[18:46] <IT_Sean> thats not the same computer :p
[18:46] <mkopack> lol
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[18:46] <des2> lol
[18:46] <des2> It sits next to his original axe
[18:46] <IT_Sean> The only thing i''ve replaced in this laptop is the HD.
[18:47] <IT_Sean> it didn't survive the trip to mexico
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[18:50] <IT_Sean> http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4058/4296104337_1d235d5578.jpg
[18:50] <IT_Sean> The dent
[18:50] <IT_Sean> ^
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[18:52] <des2> Hammer will fix that right up
[18:52] <IT_Sean> It's cosmetic
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> (although, it did deform PCMCIA slot opening slightly)
[18:52] <ReggieUK> it's a hole waiting for liquids ingress is what it is IT_Sean
[18:52] <ReggieUK> liquid*
[18:52] <Cru> I just received an E-Mail from Farnell that my order will be shipped in mid July(!) -- is this a new mistake by some automated procedures at Farnell or might it be correct?
[18:52] <IT_Sean> I have never spilt a drink on a laptop
[18:53] <ReggieUK> but I bet you know plenty of people that have :D
[18:53] <ReggieUK> and it's those that we most worry about
[18:53] <alk_> I saw a pint of beer spill on a new MacBook
[18:53] <IT_Sean> I also don't let other people use my computers...
[18:53] <alk_> he hung ouit the motherboard on the washing line to dry
[18:53] <alk_> *out
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[18:54] <ReggieUK> alk_, you can get away with a lot of stuff but it depends how lucky you are
[18:54] <alk_> he didnt :P
[18:54] <alk_> was a tough time
[18:54] <alk_> he'd just bought it
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[18:55] <alk_> it poured onto the keyboard
[18:55] <ReggieUK> I have dropped phones in a sink of water before and seen the bloody bubbles rise to the surface as it fills up inside and got them working again
[18:55] <IT_Sean> My iPaq survived an extended dunking in muddy salty river water
[18:55] <ReggieUK> but it's really down to luck that nothing shorted
[18:55] <hotwings> Cru - ouch!
[18:55] <IT_Sean> (it was clipped to my belt, and some **** pushed me off a peir. I had to swim 100 yards to shore)
[18:55] <ReggieUK> what wasn't luck was leaving it to dry long enough in a way that promotes the movement of liquid out of the parts
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[18:57] <ReggieUK> open the case as much as possible, clean it up with appropriate solutions and get a fan going across it, leave it over night :)
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> I disassemlbed the iPaq, cleaned out the silt, then soaked all the bits in fresh water, then let everything dry, and it's been running fine ever since. It's been several years since the dunking with no ill effects.
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[19:03] <HienoMies> Hmmm, show me some Pi!
[19:03] * IT_Sean slaps HienoMies in the face with an apple pie
[19:03] <HienoMies> oooh, was not expecting that
[19:04] <IT_Sean> you should be more specific with your requests.
[19:05] <des2> 3.1415926....
[19:05] <piofcube> 22/7
[19:07] <HienoMies> thanks des2
[19:07] <HienoMies> didnt hurt so much...
[19:08] <aditsu> 355/113
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[19:12] <aditsu> speaking of water damage, anybody tried liquipel?
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[19:14] <hotwings> sweet.. just checked my newark orders... previous 4/3 ship date moved to 4/2, and previous 5/14 ship date moved to 4/3 :D
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[19:16] <mkopack> hot: Yeha, my 2nd one moved up to 4/2 also :) Question is, will those hold given today's news?
[19:16] <hotwings> these arent supposed to be the chinese ones i thought
[19:16] <aditsu> I wish they would show a shipping date for my order too :(
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[19:17] <mkopack> they're ALL chinese!
[19:17] <HienoMies> haha!
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[19:17] * aditsu eats breadface
[19:17] <hotwings> i thought rpi foundation order was from a different manufacturer
[19:17] <piofcube> If the spec indiacted the correct port, I don't see how it would affect them... Just the first 10k, right?
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[19:18] <mkopack> hot: Nope, it's the same production house, and that issue was in the initial 10,000 order.
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[19:19] <mkopack> pio: Easy - the chinese tried to do a quick one and use a cheaper part after the initial couple off the line "passed" certification tests
[19:19] <mkopack> And the problem is they're having a hard time sourcing the correct part now to continue the production
[19:19] <des2> We've got inspectors from both Element 14/Premier Farnell and RS going to the factory today to satisfy themselves about working conditions. We've already sent someone along on our own behalf (we were happy), and I think Broadcom are also sending an observer in at some point ? not sure if that's on their behalf, ours, or just for fun! It's a small outfit, not at all on the same scale as something li
[19:19] <des2> ke Foxconn. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to identify them at the moment, but I will do when I'm certain I can.
[19:19] <piofcube> ah.. if the new boards are being made at the same place, they might have problems getting the ports
[19:20] <des2> She specifically said they have to find ports for the next batch and they might be delayed.
[19:20] <courpse> oh dear, :/
[19:20] <Matt> I'm getting a sense of deja vu here
[19:21] <piofcube> You mean farnell or RS can't supply them? LOL
[19:21] <HienoMies> standard chinese procedure, thats all. Like flash memory from eBay. You buy 16BG, you get 8GB. Maybe 2GB if really unlucky.
[19:21] <courpse> I haven't ordered mine yet.
[19:21] <courpse> Think i'll wait before i do.
[19:21] <des2> There may now be a slight delay in later batches if there?s a problem sourcing enough magnetic jacks (we?ve got teams hunting them down already); all the stock of jacks we believed we had in place and ready to turn into the ethernet ports on your Raspberry Pis turn out not to be the correct part, so we?re having to start again and move through the negotiating/ordering/delivery cycle as fast as we c
[19:21] <des2> an. Our partners at Element 14/Premier Farnell and RS Components are working hard to help us cater for this, and to expedite supply of the Raspberry Pi.
[19:21] <courpse> Sounds dodgy, :/
[19:21] <aditsu> HienoMies: or you get an end of a usb cable :p
[19:22] <Space_Man> I bought a 2GB card from China via eBay and a 2GB card arrived
[19:22] <Da|Mummy> right, so vaporware?
[19:22] <des2> Yeah don't buy flash on ebay.
[19:22] <piofcube> Not making the foundation seem bad but I do think that RS and Farnell would have a better chance at securing supplies than R-Pi
[19:22] <des2> Did you use the German program that verifies the flash ?
[19:24] <HienoMies> Yes, German indeed. Actually I have bought many flash mems from eBay.de and they works great. But no flash directly from China. No, never!
[19:24] <HienoMies> anymore.
[19:24] <courpse> anymore?
[19:25] <HienoMies> not anymore.
[19:25] <piofcube> One of my brothers is working in Hong-Kong ATM as a buyer.
[19:25] <dwery> it's quite common for chines fabs to change parts for cheaper ones...
[19:26] <rm> use AliExpress; you can see user feedback there
[19:27] <rm> and listings are honest
[19:27] <mkopack> I don't mind them changing parts for cheaper ones if they're identical parts to what was spec'ed out??? but when they swap them out for cheaper parts that don't match the spec's, that' a problem
[19:27] <rm> I have even seen some for "SD card marked as 32 GB; real capacity 2 GB"
[19:29] <mkopack> yay, 3 hour meeting coming up??? ugh
[19:29] <DaQatz> Have fun
[19:29] <IT_Sean> mkopack: bring a laptop. you can pr0n surf
[19:31] <mkopack> Worst part is that is a meeting listening to the UI designer human factors idiots drone on about their design and then me having to tell them "Looks pretty, but that's NOT what we're building."
[19:32] <mkopack> I already have them pissed at me because we're using an existing framework that has some UI components in it that are required for the system to work, and they don't like it, but we can't remove them
[19:32] <DaQatz> But NEEDS a spiny thing here! What does it do? Ummm spins all pretty!
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[19:36] <IT_Sean> Designers should not be allowed to dictate UIs.
[19:37] <mkopack> I'm not dictating the UI, I'm just telling them that "This is the agreed upon foundation of the system (something that was agreed upon with the customer BEFORE these people were involved) and it provides THESE UI elements which are required to be there to make the foundation work. You can do anything else you want, but THESE MUST BE THERE"
[19:37] <mkopack> (In general I HATE human factors people...)
[19:38] <HienoMies> sounds like waste of time, all 3 hours
[19:38] <mkopack> tell me about it!
[19:38] <mkopack> But at least I get to go home right afterwards
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[19:51] <mkopack> Yup, I'm going to have to unleash the Sh*tHammer of doom on these people. Their first slide is them bitching about the constraints and why they can't live within them
[19:51] <OneFix_Work> So, how long is the problem with the non-magnetic jack going to delay our orders?
[19:51] * ReggieUK isn't keen on 3rd party contracted software providers
[19:52] <ReggieUK> they *really* don't like the word fail when you're filing testing reports with them
[19:52] <ReggieUK> especially preceded by EPIC
[19:52] <des2> Only long enough to expose the next problem.
[19:53] <Bellagio> I see on the wiki that we are going to able to connect a n900 display
[19:53] <Bellagio> how do we do this?
[19:54] <des2> There's a DSI connector on the board
[19:56] <Bellagio> ok thx
[19:56] <chris_99> what's a DSI connector for?
[19:56] <HienoMies> DSI, sounds easy
[19:57] <DaQatz> chris_99, It can be used to connect lcd screens
[19:57] <chris_99> aha interesting
[19:57] <mjr> so nothing that most people want anything to do with
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[19:58] <markus___> ad
[19:58] <chris_99> that could be handy for me,as i'm planning on putting one in the car
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[20:02] <mjr> sounds plausibly useful in that context, yes
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[20:03] <Matt> that does sound intresting
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[20:03] <ReggieUK> http://andybrown.me.uk/ws/2012/03/06/reverse-engineering-the-nokia-2730-qvga-lcd/
[20:03] <ReggieUK> looks like it could be an interesting project for the pi
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[20:06] <hotwings> cool link ReggieUK
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[20:06] <hotwings> could turn the rpi into a small portable media player with that i assume
[20:06] <ReggieUK> it came from a cool website hotwings :)
[20:06] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/
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[20:07] <mjr> you might even be able to decode 320x240 video in non-GPU supported formats on the ARM core!
[20:08] <_av500_> indeed
[20:08] <des2> Just don't try palying flash
[20:08] <hotwings> thanks for the link ReggieUK, cool site
[20:09] <ReggieUK> no problem, i thought everyone knew about HaD
[20:09] <_av500_> des2: flash 7 worked on 200mhz ARM9 cores
[20:10] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/03/08/toaster-oven-reflow-soldering-roundup/
[20:10] <ReggieUK> I like it when they do stuff like that
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[20:15] <des2> You'd think it'd work on the RPi then wouldn't you.
[20:15] <hotwings> maybe i can find someone on that site to fix a blown QFN chip on a device i have
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> Replacing QFN isn't very hard.
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[20:17] <hotwings> seattle
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[20:24] <_av500_> des2: well, but flash 7 is a tad dated now and arm binaries are not really supported by adobe
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[20:29] <_av500_> flash on arm is more or less dead
[20:30] <fragalot> _av500_: howcome it works on android still then?
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[20:31] <_av500_> sure it works
[20:32] <IT_Sean> _av500_, fragalot: It's not dead... it just smells horrible
[20:32] <_av500_> but adobe is not supporting it any more
[20:32] <fragalot> IT_Sean: haha.
[20:32] <_av500_> i doubt chrome for android will have flash plugin support
[20:32] <fragalot> _av500_: did they ever?
[20:32] <_av500_> sure
[20:32] <fragalot> I'm shocked.
[20:32] <fragalot> :P
[20:32] <courpse> Happy its going, :D
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[20:33] <fragalot> howcome so many people seem to relate the rpi to the arduino O.O
[20:33] <fragalot> there's so little in common
[20:33] <_av500_> price
[20:33] <mkopack> frag: price and the fact that there's GPIO pins
[20:33] <mkopack> but that's about all I'd say is the same???
[20:33] <fragalot> yeah :/
[20:33] <_av500_> the IBM PC had 8 gpio pins on the printer port :)
[20:33] <_av500_> 8 out, 4 in
[20:34] <mkopack> you CAN do some of what yo'd do with an Arduino with the RPi, but not all, and certainly not as easily
[20:34] <IT_Sean> More comesoutas than goesintas?
[20:34] <des2> Parallel printer interface rules!
[20:34] <fragalot> _av500_: my cnc machine still runs off of one of those
[20:34] <fragalot> :P
[20:34] <IT_Sean> There is a joke there somewhere.
[20:34] <des2> And arduinos are $18.
[20:34] <fragalot> mkopack: i'd say the arduino is a little bit more battery friendly than the rpi :P
[20:35] <_av500_> not the ones that do 1080p :)
[20:35] <IT_Sean> I thought they were more than that
[20:35] <mkopack> sure, but it's also a fraction of the computational power as well
[20:35] <fragalot> IT_Sean: depends on the model
[20:35] <IT_Sean> ahh
[20:35] <IT_Sean> kinky
[20:35] <fragalot> the pro mini (which i usually order) is $18
[20:35] <IT_Sean> I know the beagleboner is stupidly aspensive... I guess i figured the arduino was in a similar price bracket.
[20:35] <fragalot> hur. boner.
[20:36] <fragalot> IT_Sean: isn't the beagle boner like $40 ? arduino MEGA price tag
[20:36] <mkopack> The most expensive Arduino is the Mega and that's only like $60-70
[20:36] <fragalot> I paid 40 For mine :P
[20:36] <markus__> 60 bucks isn't much for a computer
[20:36] <des2> $18.35 Chinese arduino clone: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EKitsZone-UNO-ATMEGA328-ATMEGA8U2-Compatible-Arduino-UNO-/290656044777
[20:36] <mkopack> yeah, just depends where you order it from
[20:36] <_av500_> arduinos are sold for real profit
[20:36] <IT_Sean> I thought the beagle was more like $90?
[20:36] <_av500_> yep
[20:37] <_av500_> with little profit
[20:37] <fragalot> IT_Sean: depends on the model doesn't it?
[20:37] <IT_Sean> arf
[20:37] <IT_Sean> i guess it does
[20:37] <IT_Sean> I've never purchased either
[20:37] <fragalot> there are 2 iirc
[20:37] <fragalot> i've considered one
[20:37] <fragalot> but then rpi showed up
[20:37] <des2> Your rpi showed up?!
[20:37] <fragalot> and then rpi's supply couldn't meet the demand straight away, so i've resorted to sobbing quietly in a corner.
[20:37] <_av500_> on a website, yes :)
[20:39] <des2> Q: Do we have to expect mails from Farnell/RS with changed delivery dates?
[20:39] <des2> Liz: I expect they will be sending something out when we?ve nailed the sourcing problem for the correct parts.
[20:39] <fragalot> des2: if you ordered already, yes, but you have to ignore it.
[20:39] <fragalot> :P
[20:39] <_av500_> i yet have to get an unchanged date
[20:39] <ReggieUK> sky at night is on bbc4 if anyone is interested
[20:40] <fragalot> see, i'm being clever & waiting until everything settles down
[20:40] <ReggieUK> in an amateurs back garden with a nice big telescope
[20:40] <fragalot> because when I order at farnell, I order to get a next day delivery. :D
[20:40] <fragalot> ReggieUK: polar lights over there?
[20:41] <fragalot> can't see those from belgium afaik, if not because it's not hitting here, it's because of the street lighting polluting the hell out of things :P
[20:41] <ReggieUK> fragalot, no idea, too far south for me
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: http://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> In other words - nothing.
[20:43] <fragalot> lol
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[20:45] <IT_Sean> so... we moved the PFY's cubical to the other side of the corridor.
[20:45] <IT_Sean> I am SOOOO tempted to pull the old "what are you talking about!? Your office has always been here" bit if he comes in today
[20:46] <mkopack> (OMG these human factors people are MORONS.. you'd think they've never used any desktop system other than Windows...)
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[20:46] <mkopack> We're blowing their minds with the concept of virtual desktops
[20:47] <HienoMies> haha!
[20:47] <mkopack> They seriously are CLUELSS
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[20:50] <DaQatz> Wow...
[20:50] <DaQatz> mkopack, that's just sad...
[20:50] <IT_Sean> mkopack: take credit for the whole virtual desktop thing. :p
[20:50] <mkopack> Yeah??? I'm like banging my head on the desk here listening to this conference call...
[20:51] <IT_Sean> That's what the mute button is for
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[20:52] <mkopack> yes thank god
[20:52] <HienoMies> just say: "Call me again when u have some pro ppl online" and hang up.
[20:53] <DaQatz> You know, personally I hate doing UI design.
[20:54] <mkopack> Likewise...
[20:54] <IT_Sean> I rather like doing UI design, so long as i have the ability to tell the "customer" that they are an idiot, and my design is final. :p
[20:54] <DaQatz> That's one of the reasons when I code tend to stick to back-end stuff and terminal programs.
[20:54] <mkopack> But HF people just annoy the hell out of me??? they come up with weird pie in the sky concepts that are just insane to try to build.
[20:54] <mkopack> Exactly??? give me data processing assignments all day long.. UI / web no thanks!
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[20:56] <mkopack> Only 1.5 hours left of this meeting??? ARGH!
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[21:02] <DaQatz> Killed a designer yet?
[21:02] <IT_Sean> You get a reward for that, these days.
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[21:06] <mkopack> We've moved on to other things now...
[21:06] <mkopack> They're demoing what the previous version of the system looked like and what the UI did, so they can figure out how they want to change it
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[21:08] <Kostic> What system? Can't you use one-button philosophy? xD
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[21:10] <IT_Sean> On the subject of UI design... There is a bit of software which i have to use on a daily basis... It brings up a context menu when you LEFT click on something, and does NOTHING when you RIGHT click on something.
[21:10] <IT_Sean> Drives me bloody batshit.
[21:10] <mkopack> WTF?!!
[21:10] <mkopack> BAD
[21:11] <IT_Sean> The really sad thing... I have to work with the guy that wrote it.
[21:11] <mrdragons> heh
[21:11] <HienoMies> noooooo
[21:11] <IT_Sean> I keep asking my self "what kind of idiot would do this!?" then i realise "Oh, right... it was [coworker]."
[21:12] <mrdragons> Well, at least it answers what's usually a rhetorical question
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[21:15] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: i suppose.
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[21:25] <mkopack> Man, I hope this ethernet port issue is the only problem we end up with???
[21:25] <mkopack> And I hope this also convinces them to do random spot QC checks on every batch os make sure...
[21:26] <funkster> can I order now or do i wait?
[21:26] <CuriosTiger> What ethernet port issue?
[21:27] <mkopack> Curios: check the main page
[21:27] <HienoMies> I wait
[21:27] <mkopack> longer you wait, the farther back in the Queue you're going to be
[21:27] <markus__> IT_Sean: is it the indicator applet in gnome-panel for ubuntu?
[21:28] <Kostic> QUEUE... What a funny word... For non-english speakers...
[21:28] <weasel> is it?
[21:28] * s_much is now known as zz_s_much
[21:28] <weasel> never particularly noticed I guess
[21:29] <funkster> whats the expected time that I will receieve pi if I order today, weeks or months?
[21:29] <jamesglanville> months
[21:29] <funkster> damn...
[21:29] <passstab> take away the q and you have
[21:29] <passstab> ueue
[21:29] <HienoMies> haha
[21:29] <funkster> i may need to geta beagleboard or something in meanm time, have to start project
[21:30] <HienoMies> go ahead, make my day
[21:30] <weasel> Kostic: now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ough_%28orthography%29#Full_list_of_pronunciations, that is weird. :)
[21:30] <weasel> (and a real pita)
[21:30] <haltdef> (pandaboard is faster for not much more money)
[21:30] <funkster> haltdef: yeah? will look into that - they both can run same OS, yeah?
[21:30] <haltdef> Kostic, I am english and that word still fucks with me
[21:30] <haltdef> :(
[21:31] <Kostic> weasel I wasn't refering to the pronunication. I was thinking on the letters that are used to create it.
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[21:31] <haltdef> yeah they're both TI OMAP dev boards, panda just uses omap4, beagle uses omap3 .. omap4 is dual core A9, omap3 is single core a8 :P
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[21:32] <IT_Sean> markus__: what?
[21:33] <funkster> haltdef: awesome, should i shoot pandaboard an email for them to suggest a camera for me to use?
[21:34] <HienoMies> sure
[21:34] <haltdef> the wiki should be some help
[21:34] <haltdef> also check out #pandaboard on this network
[21:34] <Kostic> haltdef, The guys which started using latin in english had to redesign it. They should have introduced new letters. 44 voices and only 26 letters. Party time. :D
[21:34] <Kostic> *guys who
[21:34] <haltdef> I'm eying one up myself, though I have no idea why
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[21:37] <funkster> haltdef: thanks for the help - i come from a desktop linux world, all this is so new to me =D
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[21:37] <haltdef> it's not hugely different from what I can tell
[21:37] <des2> funkster what is your project ?
[21:37] <haltdef> once you have a vendor kernel and ARM binaries you're set
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[21:38] <mkopack> I'm half tempted to pick up a BBone as well??? but keep my Rpi orders??? Eh??? decisions
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[21:38] <mkopack> Mouser has them in stock
[21:39] <mkopack> as does Digikey
[21:39] * weasel ordered an imx53
[21:39] <des2> Add a TGi MSP430 for $4.35 to your oeder...
[21:39] <funkster> des2: video monitor for my house, poissbly make it view through peephole and send me a picture when someone rings doorbell
[21:39] <weasel> mouser has lots of them
[21:39] <mkopack> Already have 3 of those from TI???. haven't even opened them
[21:40] <mkopack> funkster: I'm doing something like that with a SheevaPlug and webcam, running Zoneminder
[21:40] <mkopack> I got the OS installed and ZM installed last night, just need to work through some config issues
[21:41] <funkster> mkopack: niice, what OS you put on there?
[21:41] <mkopack> debian 6
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[21:42] <passstab> is there a debian testing image for the rpi?
[21:42] <mkopack> funk: Just throwing it out there as an alternative if you REALLY need something immediately
[21:42] <funkster> how is the sheevaplug? i was looking at one of those a while ago.
[21:42] <mkopack> passstab: Yeah, there's the debian image for the RPi that you can load into Qemu
[21:43] <passstab> but thats stable right?
[21:43] <passstab> oh i see
[21:43] <mkopack> funk: It's fine??? took a little figuring out. I'm running the OS off an 8GB USB stick??? I got the OS loaded onto the onboard flash once, but it was just too constrained IMO.
[21:43] <passstab> is there a "debian testing" image for the rpi?
[21:44] <passstab> ;D
[21:44] <hotwings> i hope so
[21:44] <mkopack> what do you mean by a TESTING image?
[21:44] <hotwings> thats what i want to run
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[21:44] <funkster> mkopack: i bought a http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8918W-Wireless-Network-Viewing/dp/B0046710G6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331239406&sr=8-1 last year, i love that webcam - not sure if it works for your project but check it out
[21:44] <passstab> wheezy
[21:44] <hotwings> unstable, testing, stable
[21:44] <mkopack> Oh, gotchya
[21:45] <mkopack> funk: Yeah, you probably can control that via ZoneMinder...
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[21:49] <des2> As an alternative to the Sheevaplug consider one of the Pogoplugs which can be obtained usually for < $40.
[21:51] <mkopack> yeah, that should work as well, basically the same thing
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[22:03] <lars_t_h> From a comment on "Raspberry Pi manufacture hickup": "I can???t draw cartoons, but I have one in mind;
[22:03] <lars_t_h> A LARGE pile of ???Pis on a workbench, one full crate labelled ???RJ45s (magnetic)???. one empty crate labelled ???RJ45s (non-magnetic)??? One ???Pi on the workbench, with an operator busy with the soldering iron. He (or she) is singing to himself (or herself):"
[22:03] <lars_t_h> ???10,000 green pi-boards, sitting on my bench, and when this one???s finished, there???ll be 9,999 green pi-boards ??? ???
[22:03] <lars_t_h> in chinese.
[22:03] <lars_t_h> LOL :)
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[22:06] <des2> "I will not try to save money by skimping on parts"
[22:07] <weasel> if you don't have a dsub9 serial console port, then you have :)
[22:07] <mkopack> FINALLY that damn meeting is over??? what a waste of time
[22:07] <Matt> now you can go get a coffee
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[22:08] <mkopack> 30 minutes till quitting time!!! And I rode the motorcycle to work today, so at least I get to have a little fun on the way home!
[22:08] <zgreg> fortunately it looks like nobody from the foundation fucked up
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[22:10] <Henchman21> so... that mean they have to ship the already made ones back for retrofitting?
[22:10] <mkopack> I'm still a bit confused on how this all happened though???
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[22:10] <mkopack> Didn't the foundation provide them with the parts for the first 10,000?
[22:11] <mkopack> Hench: Already did??? being fixed as we type
[22:11] <IT_Sean> mkopack: the foundation provided the BOM. The factory sourced the bits.
[22:11] <Henchman21> good lord
[22:11] <mkopack> Ah, I thought the RPF had bought all the parts to make the first 10,000...
[22:11] <Henchman21> bump back shipping another 1/2 month
[22:12] <mkopack> Or did they stockpile those for when they would do the prod runs in GB?
[22:12] <mkopack> Hench: Maybe not that bad??? Possibly air shipment
[22:12] <mkopack> (hopefully @ the Chinese manufact expense)
[22:13] <mkopack> although my understanding is that right now, Apple has sucked up pretty much all the DHL capacity to get iPad 3's shipped
[22:13] <Henchman21> in other news my cat is awol
[22:13] <zgreg> probably at least 100 chinese workers are fixing the pis right now ;)
[22:13] <Henchman21> out in the rain
[22:13] <Henchman21> the gps logger probably ran out of battery an hour ago
[22:14] <zgreg> wait, you fixed a gps logger to your cat?
[22:14] <Henchman21> yeah
[22:14] <zgreg> that's awesome and crazy at the same time
[22:14] <Henchman21> this is like his 4th run
[22:14] <Henchman21> but longer than all the others
[22:14] <Henchman21> probably got marooned in the rain and is waiting it out
[22:15] <funkster> next step, put some solar panels on your cat
[22:15] <Henchman21> fat chance the rain isnt scheduled to stop anytime soon
[22:15] <Henchman21> i hope he and the gps survive the rain
[22:15] <Henchman21> should be a good log
[22:15] <Henchman21> gone for 12hrs sofar
[22:16] <Henchman21> last time was 2hrs and traveled 2miles around the house
[22:16] <funkster> awesome! got pics of the setup Henchman21?
[22:16] <Christian9> you need mobile internet connection on your cat to view the rounte in real time :D
[22:16] <Henchman21> nah
[22:16] <Christian9> route*
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[22:17] <Henchman21> and im not about to post my logs
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[22:17] <Henchman21> but i have a low res image from last run http://l4d2.us.to/dexter_030712.png
[22:17] <Henchman21> no details of location ;)
[22:18] <funkster> that was you or your cat
[22:18] <Henchman21> that was the 2miles in 2hrs
[22:18] <Henchman21> cat
[22:18] <funkster> wh0a! hahah
[22:18] <Henchman21> i dont leave the house much
[22:18] <funkster> what gps logger you using?
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[22:18] <Henchman21> http://www.semsons.com/i86migpsdalo.html
[22:19] <Henchman21> bought that cheapo one
[22:19] <Henchman21> 50
[22:19] <Henchman21> $
[22:19] <Henchman21> not so cheap
[22:19] <Henchman21> maybe slightly bulkier than a matchbox
[22:19] <Henchman21> and there are linux programs to dump the logs and erase it
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[22:20] <funkster> niiceee
[22:20] <Henchman21> mtkbabel bt747
[22:20] <Henchman21> i totally shoul've sprang for a more expensive one with cellular data upload...
[22:20] <Henchman21> so i could rescue his butt in this storm right now
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[22:22] <Henchman21> he's more feral than domestic
[22:22] <Henchman21> not fixed either
[22:23] <Henchman21> i just hope i see him and the gpslogger again soon
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[23:07] <FrostofSparta> Yay for pi?
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[23:08] <FrostofSparta> It's been years since I have connected to an IRC server...
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[23:09] <FrostofSparta> Are people just sitting in here?
[23:09] <bourbonphantom> some of us are standing, others in more of a squatting position
[23:09] <FrostofSparta> Haha
[23:09] <beardface> lurking
[23:09] <beardface> busy with my printer
[23:09] <FrostofSparta> Waiting for Pi discussion?
[23:09] <piofcube> I'm semi reclined... does that matter?
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[23:09] <FrostofSparta> Just curios
[23:10] <FrostofSparta> Curious
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[23:10] <FrostofSparta> Anyone order any yet?
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[23:10] <piofcube> Bruised a few ribs yesterday... :-(
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[23:11] <markus__> what a pity.
[23:11] <Davespice> Ladies and gents, just a quick question, maybe for anyone who'se got an Alpha or Beta board - or who has access to them, the Raspberry Pi can mount the 75 MB FAT32 partition where the config.txt file is stored right? Sorry, just humour me... :)
[23:12] <markus__> I have no idea but what image are you talking about?
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[23:12] <Davespice> any, Debian, Arch or Fedora
[23:13] <Davespice> all of them have that 75MB fat32 partition
[23:13] <markus__> Oh i didn't know. I extracted the ext3/4 partition and "mounted" it in qemu
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[23:13] <CuriosTiger> piofcube: I broke my ribs last year. Kinda sucked.
[23:14] <markus__> What's the fat partition used for?
[23:14] <piofcube> CurioTiger: 2nd time this year.. but breaking them.. *really ouch*
[23:14] <Davespice> the boot sequence, contains the kernal images etc
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[23:15] <CuriosTiger> piofcube: broke two of them, one in two places.
[23:15] <Davespice> its so you can't brick the device, all the firmware and binary blobs sit on that partition
[23:16] * CuriosTiger is still waiting to be told he can order a Pi
[23:16] <Davespice> I am just wondering if you can mount it when you've got Linux running on the Pi so you can make config changes, without having to take out the SD card and put into another Linux or Windows PC to do so
[23:17] <Davespice> surly you must be able to, but thought I should double check with someone...
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[23:17] <Davespice> I'm thinking about knocking up a little config program in QT
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[23:18] <Davespice> if anyone comes and reads this later, please leave a message for me in a pm, cheers
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[23:22] <mrdragons> Bleh, I'm just now starting on 100+ pages of homework that's due tommorow. -_-
[23:25] <bourbonphantom> math or english
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[23:27] <mrdragons> Luckily neither, just a lifeguarding class I'm taking
[23:27] <bourbonphantom> sounds like alot of regulation memorization then
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[23:33] <unkle_george> The Pi boots with the GPU, the fat partition has firmware/binary blob for the GPU
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[23:34] <unkle_george> oh, Davespice already answered that.. carry on
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[23:38] <rujiog> hi
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[23:38] <FrostofSparta> Hey
[23:39] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[23:39] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
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[23:40] <rujiog> Does the most recent blog post mean that the boards haven't left china yet?
[23:40] <FrostofSparta> What do you guys plan on using the PI for?
[23:41] <funkster> FrostofSparta: wireless video monitor, you?
[23:41] <FrostofSparta> I have been thinking about a few things.
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[23:41] <FrostofSparta> One to replace my power hunger linux server
[23:41] <haltdef> it's to replace my linux VM on my windows server
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[23:42] <FrostofSparta> All I run on it these days is vent for when my buddies and I play a game that doesn't support voice
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[23:42] <rujiog> FrostofSparta: Does your linux server do a lot because the ethernet on the pi is 100mbit and not 1gbit
[23:42] <bourbonphantom> i was thinking robotics
[23:43] <haltdef> as well as native windows apache, though I don't know how useful that'll be
[23:43] <haltdef> usb hd ofc
[23:43] <FrostofSparta> Rujiog: good to know!
[23:43] <funkster> im coming from the linux desktop field, anyone suggest a book on embedded systems so i can become more familiar?
[23:43] <FrostofSparta> I wasn't aware of that
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[23:43] <haltdef> ..book?
[23:44] <funkster> id rather something sturctured and not read a forum
[23:44] <rujiog> funkster: http://www.amazon.com/Windows-CE-Dummies-Jinjer-Simon/dp/0764503227
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[23:48] <rm> there's nothing all that special about rPi except that it boots in a weird way
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[23:48] <rm> after that you get your regular 'desktop system'
[23:49] <haltdef> if you're familar with linux you'll have no issues with the pi or any other ARM boards
[23:49] <haltdef> once you figure out its boot procedure, which isn't standardised like x86
[23:49] <funkster> ok great!
[23:49] <haltdef> though even for ARM I think the pi's is especially whacky when it comes to booting :P
[23:49] <piless> No bios
[23:50] <FireFly> How's the pi's boot procedure?
[23:50] <funkster> how long does it take ti boot into the OS?
[23:50] <FrostofSparta> Config runs off the fat partition?
[23:50] <haltdef> depends heavily on the random read and write speed the SD is capable of
[23:51] <haltdef> SDs are *not* optimised for that so I can see it being very long booting
[23:51] <FireFly> I thought arch booted pretty fast when I booted it on my phone off a microSD card though
[23:51] <FireFly> ...but I get your point
[23:52] <piless> Will the raspberry pi be able to run 24/7/365?
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[23:53] <DaQatz> Should be able to
[23:53] <FrostofSparta> And its supposed to be pretty low power consumption
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[23:59] <FrostofSparta> Has there been any more info on XBMC running on these things?
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