#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-03-09

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[0:38] <piless> Ooo new blog post
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[0:45] <danieldaniel> http://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_12
[0:45] <danieldaniel> So cool
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[0:52] <hotwings> Just like our Nuclear Spinthariscope above, the Super Spinthariscope does not contain any dangerous radioactive material.
[0:52] <hotwings> then it says
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[0:52] <hotwings> This Canadian radioactive ore is very unique in its chemical composition, and is the only natural occurring radioactive material that will put on the dazzling nuclear display you see in the Spinthariscope.
[0:53] <hotwings>
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[0:53] <hotwings> its not radioactive, except that it is
[0:53] <Dagger2> it is possible for it to be radioactive without being dangerous
[0:53] <danieldaniel> oh yeah, I'm getting an LENR
[0:54] <urs> Like tritium light sources!
[0:54] <danieldaniel> low energy nuclear reactor FTW
[0:54] <urs> I got one right here. It glows green. It's radioactive decay!
[0:54] <danieldaniel> Key words: Nuclear reactos
[0:54] <danieldaniel> reactor*
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[2:11] <mkopack> Oh SWEET!!! Looks like I got Zoneminder working on the Sheevaplug!
[2:22] <piless> mkopack: Can you view it from your phone?
[2:23] <mkopack> I need to set up the port forward for external access on my router, but from over the LAN, yes my iPhone could hit it. It only gives a static pic though. Have to click on the image to get it to send another frame
[2:23] <mkopack> better than nothing though
[2:23] <mkopack> Unfortuantely, while just trying to lock down the access to ZM, I somehow managed to set up a password but I don't know the name of the account it's using! Doh!
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[2:25] <piless> Oh dear. Can't you get it to auto refresh the image every 10 seconds or so?
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[2:25] <mkopack> It does that on my computer, but doesn't seem to on the iPhone
[2:28] <mkopack> I'm just stoked that it's working at all!
[2:28] <mkopack> FINALLY a use for this SheevaPlug!
[2:28] <mkopack> Now I need to figure out how I can know wtf my home network's IP address is! LOL
[2:29] <piless> That's easy
[2:29] <Dagger2> 24.98.202.47, if you want your external address
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[2:30] <mkopack> Well, I mean some sort of DynIP setup so I can know where to go to hit the zone minder across the internet
[2:30] <piless> Whatismyip.org is always useful for that.
[2:30] <mkopack> Like when I'm at work and such
[2:30] <mkopack> I don't have a static IP here at home
[2:31] <Dagger2> hm, really? I'd expect Comcast's IPs to be fairly constant
[2:31] <piless> You could always scrape that link and get it to email it to you :p
[2:31] <mkopack> like twice a day? LOL.
[2:31] <piofcube> You could use DyDns or set-up a cron job to post you IP address to somewhere you control to avoid higher traffic coming in from script kiddies guessing your DyDns address.
[2:31] <piless> With my isp its static until you reset the modem for 15 mins
[2:31] <piofcube> lo... what he said ;-)
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[2:32] <mkopack> wow, I gotta try to remember how to configure mail in linux??? ouch
[2:32] <Dagger2> I've had the same IP on my own cable ISP for a year or two now... although I suppose there's no reason Comcast has to act the same as mine does
[2:33] <piofcube> set it up as a sattallite and use aliases to send to your external email
[2:34] <mkopack> ok, let me set this port forward and try it
[2:34] <mkopack> bRB
[2:34] <piless> You could set it up to check your IP every 15 mins
[2:35] <piofcube> gmail and some others will reject the email though as it would be a dynamic IP... You'd have to send it to an email provider that doesn't
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[2:37] <piless> Why will Gmail reject it?
[2:38] <piofcube> to stop spam they don't accept mail from dynamic ip addresses
[2:38] <piofcube> you can tell it works LOL
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[2:38] <piless> isps still provide email servers right?
[2:39] <piofcube> most do
[2:39] <piless> even though almost no one uses them :p
[2:40] <piofcube> I used to but my ISP now uses a knocked down version of gmail which doesn't have 10% of gmails options... even though its hosted by gmail
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[2:42] <piless> Google app? I use them for my own domain. We although they've started barging new users now.
[2:42] <piless> *charging
[2:43] <piofcube> not a google app... they've made arrangements with google to host them en-mass
[2:43] <mkopack> ok, if you guys want to give it a try:
[2:43] <mkopack> http://24.98.202.47:8080/zm
[2:43] <mkopack> account: guest
[2:43] <mkopack> pw: friend
[2:43] <mkopack> (and no, I won't be keeping that around for long)
[2:44] <DooMMasteR> I'm broadcasting "doommeer is live @stratum0 " live on @Ustream. Come watch and chat! - http://ustre.am/dx50 (2:38am)
[2:45] <piofcube> not logging in...
[2:46] <mkopack> Hmm
[2:47] <mkopack> strange I was able to get in using my iPhone over the cell connection
[2:47] <mrdragons> Same, it seems to have set the session cookies but the exp. date is 12/31/1969
[2:47] <piless> doesn't work for me on androids default browser
[2:47] <mkopack> hmm. k
[2:50] <mkopack> I have no idea how to fix that
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[2:53] <piless> changing my user agent to iphone didn't work either
[2:56] <mkopack> I don't see where I can change that
[2:57] <mkopack> oh well. sorry guys...
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[2:57] <beardface> http://3d.hawkorn.com/
[2:58] <beardface> ^^ Model B PCB printing
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[3:05] <piofcube> better than TV
[3:05] <beardface> :) pretty entertaning
[3:06] <beardface> i made some improvements to this model of the pcb to make it more printable, so we'll see how this one comes out
[3:06] <beardface> the other ones are ok, but this should be better
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[3:06] <beardface> particularly, the usb port is difficult to print right :)
[3:07] <mkopack> It's just a block isn't it?
[3:07] <beardface> yes, but previously, it was trying to print the actual port
[3:08] <mkopack> oh. WHY? WE just need it as a blank to do test fits??? not as a mimic of the real thing :)
[3:08] <beardface> exactly
[3:08] <beardface> :)
[3:08] <beardface> i was trying to do to much with it
[3:08] <beardface> problem with a printer is you always want to push it
[3:08] <mkopack> Just looking to use it for dimensional testing for case fitment...
[3:09] <beardface> yeah
[3:09] <beardface> the rest of them will be simplified like this one
[3:09] <beardface> it prints a little faster too
[3:09] <piless> am I the one only one who thinks that having the usb ports stick out much further than the eternity is a really shirty design?
[3:09] <beardface> they dont stick out any further than the lan port on the model b
[3:09] <beardface> wait for the A
[3:10] <beardface> you can put them wherever you want
[3:10] <piless> dawn auto correct, and I meant ethernet and shitty
[3:10] <beardface> ah :)
[3:10] <jojo> they do stick out nearly to eternity
[3:11] <piless> ffs *damn
[3:11] <piless> but if they lined up they could be flush with a case like every other electronic device
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[3:12] <piless> but from what I've seen the usb ports will stick out on every case design
[3:13] <IT_Sean> Then design your own case, where they don't stick out
[3:13] <beardface> yeah; they need to stick out to fit nicely into a case i think
[3:14] <jojo> and have a recessed ethernet ?
[3:14] <piless> but then the ethernet port would be recessed!
[3:16] <piless> usb ports aren't designed to stick out.. the little bent bits will be a hazard
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[3:18] <mrdragons> Huh, I didn't realize until now that the amount of users in here has nearly trippled since release
[3:19] <ReggieUK> it's gone down since launch day
[3:19] <ReggieUK> was just over 400
[3:19] <piless> launch morning was chaotic
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[3:20] <ReggieUK> I slept through it all :)
[3:21] <piless> I got up at 5 and wished I hadn't
[3:21] <jojo> fedora torrent does not seem as busy a previous distros
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[3:22] <piless> they're probably using that tool instead of the torrent
[3:22] <jojo> ah right yes
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[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> What did I miss?
[3:26] <Henchman21> w00t my cat is home
[3:26] <Dagger2> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SnN70Dvk <-- if anybody cares: here's the kernel config file for the Fedora image
[3:26] <Dagger2> (huzzah: CONFIG_IPV6=y)
[3:27] <Henchman21> he traveled 5.79miles
[3:27] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: They have just discovered that accidentally the USB port was swapped for a Nissan Note. Needs more rework.
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[3:27] <mkopack> jojo: yeah??? seems to be taking a long time to fetch too
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, wouldn't the kernel config be the default raspberrypi kernel config provided in the sources? O_o
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless you're talking about something else entierly
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Henchman21, yup.... dogs are better. If you have a dog, they are excited when you get home. Apparently it's the other way around with a cat. =p
[3:32] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: the Fedora one is using a different config. I extracted the one above from the kernel.img file in the Fedora image's boot partition
[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm, a diff/patch file might be interesting to compare what's actually different
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[3:36] <Dagger2> $ diff -u config_debian config_fedora | wc -l
[3:36] <Dagger2> 3699
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm O_o
[3:37] <elmo40> interesting
[3:37] <mkopack> Shift: amen (the dog thing)
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[3:38] <mkopack> Keep in mind the debian build doesn't have hardware FP enabled
[3:38] <mkopack> so there's at least SOME differences
[3:38] <Dagger2> ... that's actually over twice the length of config_debian itself
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> so.... chris and the others did a fair bit of work then O_o
[3:39] <Dagger2> (enabling some options makes more options available; the fedora config file is 85kb vs the Debian's 38kb one)
[3:39] <jojo> in what sense does the fedoremix have hardware fp enabled ?
[3:40] <Dagger2> I think I posted them before, but here's the Debian: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3xgjjGKU and Arch: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=g453Zi8G configs if anyone wants to do their own diffing
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> unless they have just enabled all the useless stuff just incase.
[3:40] <mkopack> They recompiled EVERYTHING (something like 30,000 IIRC) packages to enable HW FP in them so they can use HWFP in the kernel
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> does that translate to much of a performance boost?
[3:41] <mkopack> Depends on what you're doing. If you're doing a lot of heavy FP stuff, it can make a significant difference (like 20-40% increase from what I read)
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... not sure what fp heavy stuff would be, but cool.
[3:41] <jojo> they enabled hw fp, but stuck to armv5 ?!
[3:42] <mkopack> jojo: they WHAT? I didn't think Armv5 HAD HW FP???
[3:42] <mkopack> I know this SheevaPlug doesn't support it
[3:42] <mkopack> and that's v5
[3:43] <jojo> that is what i thought, but i am trying to establish your claim
[3:43] <mkopack> There was some stuff posted in the forums about the Fedora build??? Just going off memory, so don't hold me to any of this...
[3:43] <mkopack> I've been a bit scatter brained between work, dealing with this SheevaPlug and grad school assignments all coming due next Friday
[3:44] <jojo> i do not know how to check whether fedoremix is using fp
[3:44] <jojo> but it is definitely armv5
[3:44] <elmo40> do the deb/fedora/arch config files still make all the hardware function properly?
[3:44] <jojo> so i assumed they had done zero optimization
[3:44] <elmo40> and are they the same kernels?
[3:45] <mkopack> from my understanding, that's what's taken them so long, they've been recompiling all the packages to make a version that is specific to the RPi.. and I thought the main reason was to get HW FP uspport
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[3:59] <elmo40> ok, I removed all the lines with # in front. They still have large differences. Here is the Deb: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aBDyMe4M the Arch: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z9RXdEMh the Fedora: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Xj1LV1LA
[4:00] <elmo40> they are all in alphabetical order now (not the easiest to edit, I know, but used more as a visual)
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[4:03] <Dagger2> you could also do `sed -re s/=[ym]$//` if you don't particularly care whether things are modules or compiled in
[4:03] <elmo40> if the smallest one still has all the hardware working then why bother with all the other options?
[4:05] <Dagger2> in case you have software or extra hardware that doesn't work?
[4:06] <elmo40> but I thought this was strictly for the RPi
[4:06] <elmo40> or did I read all this incorrectly :-P
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[4:07] <Dagger2> the RPi has USB and can run generic software, so it's possible to hook up a hardware device that the kernel might not have support for
[4:08] <Dagger2> and likewise you can run software that requires kernel features that might not be available
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[4:11] <elmo40> ok, now I see. and if you have some specific usb device you would need to compile it into the kernel
[4:11] <elmo40> but I thought you didn't necessarily need to anymore, and add the module on-the-fly
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[4:12] <Dagger2> yes, but you need to actually have the module to load... and if it's not enabled in the kernel config, it won't have been built, so you won't have it
[4:13] <Dagger2> I wouldn't have been moaning about the lack of IPv6 support if I could just modprobe it :/
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[4:28] <elmo40> when is ipv6 gonna be 'forced' onto consumers? its taking them long enough to get it on every device, now its up to the DNS servers and such to kick it in high gear
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[4:31] <protozoa> hey, what is the policy on using the raspi logo in designs
[4:32] <piofcube> Mostly as long as you don't use in a way that suggests affiliation or endorsement by the foundation and it's not used in a derogatory way...
[4:33] <protozoa> so if i make a case that has the logo on it, would that be considered ok use?
[4:33] <protozoa> as long as we dont say we're rasperry pi
[4:34] <elmo40> are you selling this case?
[4:34] <protozoa> we would like to
[4:35] <elmo40> do you *need* the logo? doesn't your business have a logo you can use instead?
[4:36] <protozoa> well need is a strong word :P, using the logo would fit our design perfectly
[4:36] <piofcube> To keep yourself right I would put some nice text in about the R-Pi and the foundation in your ads and any documentation... Like, "for more info go to raspberrypi.org" and "this is not an official product"... I honestly think the foundation wouldn't mind unless you take advantage of it... like the eBay sellers tried with the boards
[4:38] <piofcube> If you're selling for a small profit per unit, I guess that would be okay by the foundation... They don't take donations but if you do anything on a bigger scale then contacting the foundation would be recommended
[4:39] <piofcube> When they start selling stickers again, buy one for each unit LOL
[4:39] <elmo40> that's a good idea
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[4:41] <protozoa> how many units have been preordered so far?
[4:41] <protozoa> out of curiosity?
[4:41] <Dagger2> elmo40: it's going to be a gradual process; for instance if you want to play at http://loopsofzen.co.uk/ it's being forced on you _now_
[4:41] <piofcube> When I published the minecraft schematics for the printed board I put a bit of bumf up about the r-pi and the foundation just to keep things right
[4:41] <protozoa> does anyone have figures or are they private?
[4:42] <piofcube> http://www.piofcube.com/2011/12/raspberry-pi-minecraft-schematics.html
[4:42] <Dagger2> and if you want to avoid NAT... well, my ISP has been giving me a single address for the past decade, so in that respect it's been forced on us for a long time now
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[4:47] <Dagger2> IPv6 is in most devices now; it's been supported in Windows since XP, Linux (and thus Android) since 2.4 and iOS and OSX since... er, no idea, maybe their first versions. the major blocker at this point is ISPs actually issuing addresses
[4:57] <mkopack> So???. how long before somebody comes up with a multi-boot setup where you're presented with a menu (launched from the SD card) and you get to choose which OS you want to boot off the USB drive?
[4:57] <mkopack> (if that's even possible...)
[4:58] <mkopack> I'm just thinking it would be kinda nice to be able to get a USB hard drive and set up multiple partitions with each of the OS'es on it and be able to select which one to boot
[5:00] <mkopack> Although, probably easier to just get multiple SD cards with the OS's right on them and switch them out
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[5:05] <Da|Mummy> because you cant boot off usb
[5:05] <piless> mkopack: depends on how long it takes to boot
[5:06] <mkopack> Mummy? Ues I know you can't initiate the boot off USB, but you CAN set up the SD to start the boot and point over to the USB for everything
[5:06] <mkopack> At least that's what they've said
[5:07] <elmo40> so use the SD as a Grub loader? then select an external device to boot from? I see no reason not to...
[5:08] <piless> so would you have to create something like grub?
[5:09] <mkopack> sorta, yeah, that's what I was wondering...
[5:09] <mkopack> They indicated that it would be possible to do something sorta like that??? It starts from the SD card and then redirects to the USB for the rest of the process
[5:10] <mkopack> That way you could get away with a very small SD card and use a big USB external HD if yiou wanted to
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[5:11] <piless> a hd would be better for swap in the long term
[5:12] <Dagger2> you can pass kernel parameters with the BCM2835 loader, so putting root on a different device is no problem
[5:12] <mkopack> Dagger: cool??? so then the question is, is there some way to make like a little 1/2/3 type menu so you could pick which OS to boot?
[5:13] <mkopack> ie: is there enough active (video, kb) at that point int he process to do that? Not sure
[5:13] <mkopack> If not, no biggie I'll live. I'm just curious if it's possible
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[5:14] <Tobias|> I would've thought just using grub/lilo would've been adequate
[5:14] <Dagger2> it's definitely _possible_, but I have no idea if it's easy
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[5:15] <Dagger2> I assume GRUB can be made to be usable, but you could just use a Linux install with kexec if all else fails
[5:17] <piless> one cool thing would be is that if there were raspberry pis everywhere then you could just pick up your sd card and carry your entire computer with you and then plug it into your nearest terminal at your destination
[5:17] <mkopack> so you're saying it would do something like SD-->USB, which starts Grub/Lilo??? you pick the OS and then it completes the boot from the USB
[5:17] <mkopack> Piless:yup!
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[5:18] <piless> mkopackn feels like scifi
[5:19] <piless> oops typo, and that was meant to be directed at you
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[5:20] <Henchman21> http://l4d2.us.to/dex030812.png
[5:21] <Dagger2> you'd have to put GRUB on the SD card... it can then load the kernels from wherever it has read support for (i.e. the boot partition, or your USB HDD)
[5:21] <piless> Henchman21: ???
[5:22] <Henchman21> just my cats tracks for the day
[5:22] <Henchman21> thought i'd share
[5:22] <piless> I wonder how long we'll have to wait until you can store your entire os in the cloud
[5:23] <piless> 5 years?
[5:23] <Henchman21> can do that now
[5:23] <Henchman21> but do you want your private data in amazon's hands?
[5:23] <Henchman21> cloud crap is over rated
[5:24] <Henchman21> lando
[5:24] <Henchman21> go live in your cloud city
[5:24] <Henchman21> i want nothing of it
[5:24] <piofcube> encrypt your data before it goes up
[5:25] <piofcube> the software itself doesn't need it though
[5:25] <piless> its too late piofcube they already know your truecrypt password
[5:25] <piofcube> don't use truecrypt
[5:26] <Henchman21> im more for being independent of the internet
[5:26] <piofcube> setup your own cloud ;-)
[5:26] <Henchman21> sure its nice to have around but i dont want to depend on it to run openoffice to write a paper
[5:27] <piless> its libre office now.. ha such a silly name
[5:27] <piofcube> I would prefer to keep the majority of software local but I like to have an encrypted copy of my data in the cloud
[5:27] <Henchman21> sounds spanish
[5:28] <Henchman21> and pay rent on your data?
[5:28] <Henchman21> BAH
[5:28] <Henchman21> get a few drives and raid stripe em
[5:28] <Tobias|> and .. pay a significant up-front cost at regular intervals while you update those drives
[5:29] <piless> damn neckbeards and there inability to five good names to open softwarw
[5:29] <Tobias|> not to mention deal with drive failure
[5:29] <Henchman21> price i pay to have physical assets in my control
[5:29] <piofcube> I pay rent for the space... just like in "real life"... You would pey rent for selfstorage for your brick-a-brack and whatnots
[5:29] <piless> *give
[5:29] <Henchman21> should i buy stocks in gold? or physical gold?
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[5:29] <piofcube> but I pay a flat fee with unlimited space
[5:30] <piless> gold is so over valued
[5:30] <Henchman21> you mean diamonds
[5:30] <piofcube> price of gold is artificial anyway
[5:30] <piless> you should buy stocks in helium
[5:31] <piofcube> piless: prices will rise
[5:32] <piless> we're about to run out
[5:32] <Tobias|> piofcube: prices in hydrogen should rise faster
[5:32] <piofcube> Yeah but that comodity is more volatile
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[5:32] <Tobias|> true
[5:32] <piless> the American government is artificially keeping the price of helium down
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[5:36] <A-Lusion> Question: Can you run FreeNAS on the raspberry pi and turn it into a NAS
[5:37] <piless> ni
[5:37] <A-Lusion> no?
[5:37] <A-Lusion> Why not?
[5:38] <Tobias|> no reason it shouldn't
[5:38] <Tobias|> you might have to do some work to get it working though
[5:39] <A-Lusion> Has anyone tried this yet ? I thought that turning the device into a NAS would of been a great idea at first hand >.<
[5:39] <Tobias|> seems easier to me to just make my own small NAS
[5:40] <Tobias|> given HDD's are the biggest expense, and I'd prefer something with gigabit ethernet/the capability to use multiple drives
[5:40] <A-Lusion> oh hmm..
[5:40] <A-Lusion> USB 3.0 too yes?
[5:41] <A-Lusion> I'm using externals.
[5:41] <A-Lusion> idk bout you lol.
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[5:42] <A-Lusion> yknow now that I'm thinking about it
[5:42] <A-Lusion> maybe its not that supposed of an idea...
[5:42] <Tobias|> It'd work well enough
[5:42] <A-Lusion> with what though?
[5:43] <Tobias|> A USB HDD and straight up ethernet connection
[5:43] <Tobias|> It'd serve as a very small, low powered, cheap NAS
[5:43] <A-Lusion> the pi has 1 usb port?
[5:43] <A-Lusion> or 2
[5:43] <Tobias|> model b (with the ethernet port) has 2
[5:43] <A-Lusion> nice. can get a bigger hub anyways
[5:44] <piless> the ethernet is only 100mbit
[5:44] <A-Lusion> awww
[5:44] <A-Lusion> I don't have gigabyte adapters anyways
[5:44] <Syliss> i really want to buy one but I'm hesitant
[5:44] <A-Lusion> my wireless adapter is only 150 and my router in't gigabyte
[5:45] <A-Lusion> well maybe if i bust out the old buffalo..
[5:45] <A-Lusion> why are you hesitant
[5:45] <A-Lusion> its $35
[5:45] <A-Lusion> syke i haven't got it yet.
[5:45] <Syliss> plus shipping and what not
[5:45] <A-Lusion> but i will soon..
[5:45] <A-Lusion> o hmm
[5:45] <Syliss> what was ur ship date?
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[5:46] <Syliss> and who did u get it from?
[5:46] <A-Lusion> never ordered yet. Waiting for my credit to go through
[5:46] <Syliss> oh, then u won't get it till april or may
[5:46] <A-Lusion> D:
[5:46] <Syliss> yeah they are pushed back that far
[5:47] <Syliss> i just wish they were sold on amazon
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[6:29] <funky> can i pre-order now? the reseller sites dont give me an option that i can see.
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[6:47] <Syliss> funky: what country?
[6:48] <funky> USA
[6:48] <Syliss> have u checked element14?
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[6:56] <Ben64> i got mine from newark
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[7:02] <Syliss> Ben64: how much for shipping?
[7:02] <Ben64> dunno
[7:03] <Syliss> ok...
[7:03] <Ben64> which is one reason farnell/newark/element14/whatever they call themselves suck
[7:05] <Syliss> yeah I'm not ordering till i know
[7:05] <Syliss> fuck that
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[7:06] <Ben64> i figure i could always give them a chargeback if they try anything sketchy
[7:06] <Ben64> i'm thinking $10 is more than enough for shipping
[7:07] <Ben64> toss r-pi into a flat rate box with some bubble wrap around it, done
[7:07] <Syliss> yeah, which is only $6 from usps
[7:08] <hotwings> newark is shipping rpi's with ups and fedex
[7:10] <hotwings> if ups, it will ship with 2nd day air if you choose ground.. but you still only pay ground price
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[7:22] <Ben64> i'm hoping RS sells them better
[7:28] <fragalot> farnell usually ships things to me next day with ups for free
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[7:34] <hotwings> what do you mean exactly by you hope rs sells them better?
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[7:38] <Ben64> listing shipping price, more accurate information
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[7:43] <beardface> Orange Raspberry Pi PCB Model: http://3d.hawkorn.com/
[7:44] <beardface> i'm selling 3d printed raspberry pi models (to scale) here: rpicases.blogspot.com
[7:44] <beardface> http://rpicases.blogspot.com
[7:44] <Ben64> i won't forget you
[7:44] <Ben64> won't get my board till may or some crap probably though
[7:45] <beardface> yeah
[7:45] <beardface> im up for a board end of april i think
[7:45] <beardface> according to ship date
[7:45] <Ben64> well the recently announced delay is going to mess with stuff
[7:45] <Ben64> the first 10k aren't finished yet
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[7:49] <hotwings> i wonder how many orders have been/will be cancelled before they ship
[7:49] <beardface> i bet alot
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[7:49] <beardface> once people start to see reviews and realize it wont work for their need
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[7:54] <funky> beardface: awesome - i will order a case! how long does a 3d printer take to print a case like that?
[7:54] <beardface> about 1.5 hours for a case
[7:54] <beardface> you should design your own :) and i'll print it for you
[7:54] <beardface> otherwise, i can print the standard case, which should fit
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[7:55] <Ben64> what is the minimum layer thickness
[7:55] <funky> awesome =D do you have any close up pics of 3d printer stuff? do you see the lines?
[7:55] <beardface> 0.2 mm
[7:55] <Ben64> cool
[7:55] <beardface> you see the lines, but not terribly, let me find a recent print
[7:56] <Ben64> i'll try to whip something up in maya in the next couple days
[7:56] <funky> curious to how they look in person.
[7:56] <beardface> example: http://i.imgur.com/NajLS.jpg
[7:56] <Ben64> maybe i'll steal the blender design
[7:56] <beardface> yeah, you can use the skp file he posted and design the case around that
[7:56] <DaQatz> Didn't realize the repraps were so small.
[7:57] <Ben64> he posted a file?
[7:57] <Ben64> i thought it was just the render
[7:57] <beardface> check out the cam again, i'll show youa close up print
[7:58] <funky> ahhh cool - looks good, the close up printer
[7:58] <Ben64> awesome
[7:59] <funky> looks good!!!
[7:59] <beardface> that last box is wavy b/c i hadn't calibrated
[7:59] <beardface> current prints look much better
[7:59] <funky> put it in middle fo your hand so i can see size
[8:00] <beardface> size comparison in video now
[8:00] <funky> kk
[8:00] <funky> daaamn is that small! hahah
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[8:00] <beardface> bottom is standard business card
[8:01] <beardface> its a tiny little thing
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[8:01] <DaQatz> funky, Are you the same funky who is on Rizon?
[8:01] <Dagger2> oh hey, now I have a handy reference for the size of a US quarter... if only I knew how big that Yoda head was
[8:01] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[8:01] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[8:01] <funky> dont know what rizon is, so i guess thats not me.
[8:01] <DaQatz> Okies
[8:02] <funky> im funkster, but my client is still logged in at work
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[8:06] <DaQatz> Finished the print I see
[8:07] <beardface> yeah its done
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[9:43] <Snowl> hi
[9:45] <des2> Hello
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[10:11] <Mowee> Morning !
[10:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[11:08] <techman2> evening all.
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[11:11] <techman2> anyone awake?
[11:13] <jzu> yes
[11:13] <jzu> morning
[11:14] <techman2> hi
[11:14] <techman2> have you been able to make sense of this manufacturing hiccup the foundation posted about?
[11:15] <haltdef> makes perfect sense to me
[11:15] <mjr> it's quite clear
[11:16] <techman2> yes I understand what happened
[11:16] * sqrt[evil] nods
[11:16] <techman2> just trying to gather whether it was the first 10k that were affected or the initial distributors production run?
[11:16] <sqrt[evil]> the 10k
[11:16] <mjr> the first 10k
[11:17] <des2> The first 10,000 are the initial production run.
[11:18] <des2> They're probably not going to product the second batch until they are sure the first batch works.
[11:22] <techman2> yeah
[11:22] <techman2> it's a pain that the factory decided to do a substitution on their own.
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[11:23] <des2> It's a known problem with production in China.
[11:24] <sqrt[evil]> seems a stupid sub to make on their part, it's obviously not going to save them anything
[11:24] <mjr> it's not necessarily malice, may be just incompetence :??
[11:24] <sqrt[evil]> though ethernet can work without magnetics...
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[11:25] <techman2> god the slashdot crowd can be vicious.
[11:25] <ahven> they always are :P
[11:25] <sqrt[evil]> ooh is pi on /. again?
[11:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> can ? always ;-p
[11:25] <techman2> yeah, it used to a be a lot better years ago
[11:26] <Ticho> i believe there was a day, not long ago, when a pi story did not appear there :>
[11:26] <techman2> now it's just full of egotistical idiots.
[11:26] <sqrt[evil]> haven't really followed /. since like 10 years ago
[11:26] <Ticho> but maybe it wasn't even full 24 hours
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> .. /. had hte produciton FU yesterday and the fedora today - the RPi server are holding up fine
[11:26] <des2> Notice how the production sample gave to the foundation contained the correct part but the ones actually produced didn't.
[11:27] <techman2> RaTTuS|BIG: It has 6 SAS disks and 96GB RAM. I'd sure hope it could hold up.
[11:27] <techman2> des2: yeah, sucks eh?
[11:27] <sqrt[evil]> effect was never all that bad if you were prepared for it. it was only a problem if you were like hosting from your old PC on your DSL line
[11:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> des2 yeah
[11:28] <des2> This is why the first batch purchasers are really beta testers.
[11:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - there well may be a R1.1 board later - which fixes other problems .... one we dont yet know aboput
[11:29] <sqrt[evil]> I2S!
[11:29] <des2> You should start the 2nd batch until the first batch is out in the wild for a week or so at least.
[11:29] <des2> shouldn't
[11:30] <techman2> at least it's a relatively simple device
[11:30] <sqrt[evil]> i guess it's safe to assume that the factory is going to carry the increased cost of duplicate parts purchase?
[11:30] <techman2> I'm hoping there won't be too many problems
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[11:31] <techman2> pi followers have been pretty good about it, not a lot of whinging from what I have seen so far
[11:32] <sqrt[evil]> not much to whinge about other than 'damn chinese!'
[11:32] <techman2> true
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[11:34] <techman2> at least they found the problem heheh
[11:34] <techman2> before shipping them all
[11:34] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, totally. i'm glad they didn't work, probably a different pinout for their magjacks or something.
[11:35] <sqrt[evil]> ethernet will usually work without magnetics in most environments you'd likely test it in
[11:36] <techman2> heh
[11:36] <sqrt[evil]> and that'd be a much worse problem to have shipped a bunch of partially working boards
[11:37] <techman2> there's a guy on google+ who has said he is now going for a Rhombus instead.
[11:37] <techman2> good luck with that one.
[11:37] <sqrt[evil]> lol
[11:37] <techman2> he's been bagging the foundation a bit.
[11:37] <sqrt[evil]> i bag them quite a bit myself ;)
[11:38] <techman2> https://plus.google.com/u/0/102963115697857362144/posts/ZZ718RQeTGn
[11:38] <sqrt[evil]> but that thing is vapourware at this point
[11:38] <techman2> yep.
[11:38] <des2> Rhombus isn't even projected ot be manufactures for at least a year.
[11:39] <sqrt[evil]> doable though. so i'm sure we'll see some competition sooner rather than later, and they've probably got the jump on anyone else since they've been working for at least a few months on it
[11:40] <sqrt[evil]> i welcome it, the broadcom connection has bothered me from the start, and the a10 is considerably more powerful for the things i want to do with it
[11:40] <des2> If they can manufacturer it for $35 and make a profit some Chinese company can manufacturer a simple clone for < $50.
[11:40] <des2> The Pi has 2 weaknesses, slow processor, not enough memory.
[11:40] <techman2> there's some crazy cheap devices out there at the moment
[11:41] <ironzorg> The Pi has 2 weaknesses, slow processor, not enough memory. // yet another java programmer
[11:41] <des2> I kind of feel about the Pi like I feel about Apple products - at least they'll promote competition and better products.
[11:41] <techman2> I was watching a video the other day about some chinese company selling Cortex A8 netbooks for $99 USD in quantities of 1000.
[11:42] <des2> You can buy a few chinese 7" tablets shipped to the US for about $130 now.
[11:42] <techman2> I think the processor and RAM on the pi aren't a bad thing. Means people have to run light, simple software.
[11:43] <sqrt[evil]> des2: yeah my thoughts exactly. they're breaking open the market, but i hope they choose to focus on their mission and forget all teh ancillary uses for their board
[11:45] <des2> There clearly is a market for < $50 single board computers.
[11:46] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, really i think a lot of our needs don't align well with the foundation's stated goals though
[11:46] <sqrt[evil]> like i basically want ethernet, linux, and a good complement of I/O peripherals
[11:47] <techman2> I want ethernet and a terminal.
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[11:48] <sqrt[evil]> i'd be happy with a serial console tbh
[11:48] <sqrt[evil]> i actually have some previous attempts at this that i found pretty useful, but the cost was too high to throw them at random problems
[11:48] <Hourd> looking forward to people being all like "Why won't it play Battlefield 3?", "Thats so shit" etc...
[11:48] <des2> Actually ironzorg I'm a C programmer and I decry the tremendous software bloating.
[11:48] <sqrt[evil]> atngw100 for example
[11:48] <des2> I just can't ignore it.
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[11:49] <Hourd> i wonder how many people will jsut stick to terminal and not bother with X?
[11:49] <techman2> des2: I plan on getting further into C with the pi.
[11:49] <des2> Well Dr Upon demoing Quake 3 on it in a video didn't help.
[11:49] <des2> Raised expectaions.
[11:49] <Hourd> des2: true
[11:49] <techman2> yeah
[11:49] <des2> As did the XBMC project's video.
[11:49] <Hourd> i have a read a couple of new articles stating the pi had built in wifi
[11:50] <Hourd> raised expectations de to false information
[11:50] <Hourd> *due
[11:50] <sqrt[evil]> yeah tbh i don't really get why they kept making announcements about 'mass market' things that could be done
[11:50] <des2> So many reporters couldn't even apparently do a little research.
[11:50] <alk_> increase sales :P
[11:50] <sqrt[evil]> but hey, a cheap xbmc box is alright by me
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[11:51] <techman2> I suspect a lot of the demand is from people who don't understand how limited it is.
[11:51] <des2> Too bad there's only one hardware codec
[11:51] <Hourd> also some being put off by "you have to programme it all yourself"
[11:51] <sqrt[evil]> techman2: i agree. it's considerably slower than my cell phone, ffs.
[11:51] <techman2> like the guy who was in here the other night whinging about supply time when all he wanted the pi for was a cheap nas.
[11:52] <sqrt[evil]> i am also amused at people who want to use it as a NAS or router
[11:52] <des2> Cheap Nas = $20 pogoplug.
[11:52] <sqrt[evil]> it's not very good at either of those things, and cheap solutions to those problems already exist
[11:52] <techman2> yes
[11:52] <techman2> sqrt[evil]: cpu performance is likened to a PII 300.
[11:53] <sqrt[evil]> yeah sounds about right to me
[11:53] <alk_> cheap solutions to hdmi media players also exist
[11:53] <techman2> or Atom at about 200-300Mhz
[11:53] <sqrt[evil]> does ti have NEON? i can't remember
[11:53] <techman2> no
[11:53] <sqrt[evil]> alk_: ive used most of them, they pale next to XBMC, and i don't know of any under say $80?
[11:53] <techman2> I believe NEON was introduced with Cortex?
[11:53] <alk_> sqrt[evil]: I got my dad one for xmas that was 21gbp
[11:53] <alk_> and it's great
[11:54] <sqrt[evil]> interesting, what was it?
[11:54] <des2> You can buy a dual core 1.8 Gig atom 12v Intel motherboard for $90.
[11:54] <alk_> trying to remember
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[11:54] <sqrt[evil]> i've used Roku, PCH, WDTV, Patriot Box Office
[11:54] <sqrt[evil]> they're all pretty rudimentary
[11:54] <sqrt[evil]> XBMC is damn slick
[11:54] <sqrt[evil]> i love it so much
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[11:55] <des2> Even the now 1080P Apple TV is only $100.
[11:55] <alk_> this http://www.scan.co.uk/products/scanfx-mini-hd-1080p-hdmi-xvid-mkv-iso-photo-music-even-3d-mkv-movie-media-player-with-card-reader-a
[11:55] <alk_> it's probably not as slick as XBMC but it wdoes the job fine
[11:56] <sqrt[evil]> no network?
[11:56] <alk_> noep
[11:56] <sqrt[evil]> then no it dosen't :P
[11:56] <alk_> for you >:)
[11:56] <alk_> for him it does
[11:57] <sqrt[evil]> i'm sure. but $Pi for xbmc is a really good deal. you should try it out, it's so nice to use.
[11:57] <alk_> cool
[11:57] <sqrt[evil]> of course if you ever get a Pi, that is :P
[11:57] <alk_> probably :)
[11:57] <sqrt[evil]> wonder what cpu is in that box
[11:57] <alk_> yeah me too
[11:58] <alk_> I bet it's an ARM
[11:58] <alk_> might crack it open :P
[11:58] <sqrt[evil]> i'd guess it's one of those early media player chips with an old/slow ARM for audio decoding and demuxing
[11:58] <techman2> Zilog Z80? ;)
[11:58] <alk_> while he's not looking
[11:58] <philh> i have something similar, http://www.ebuyer.com/274064-cyclone-micro-2-mkv-player-cyclone-micro-2-player it's based on something called a boxchip f10 iirc
[11:58] <alk_> it's only been on the market 4 months now
[11:58] <sqrt[evil]> sigma designs, that was the company
[11:59] <techman2> there's lot of chinese ARM processors now
[11:59] <sqrt[evil]> powered most of the early media player boxes
[12:01] <des2> That Cyclone micro 2 looks interesting
[12:02] <des2> It's like a Pi in a case
[12:02] <philh> http://www.scribd.com/doc/54433745/SC9800-Specs
[12:03] <philh> it's a lovely little device, with a terrible remote and a fairly poor UI
[12:03] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI-49q2qgy4
[12:05] <sqrt[evil]> as far as media players, i really wish netflix would come with some kind of official linux support
[12:05] <alk_> philh: we used a universal remote to learn the codes
[12:05] <philh> Yes, i've seen that video in the past, it's a little puzzling, as the UI shown there is far nicer than the one on my cyclone micro2+
[12:05] <alk_> works better
[12:05] <philh> alk_, i've just become a really good shot
[12:06] <alk_> :D
[12:06] <philh> had considered a universal, though, the comments on ebuyer suggested it
[12:06] <alk_> got one in LIDL ;)
[12:06] <philh> heh
[12:06] <philh> always an excellent place to shop for electronics ;)
[12:07] <alk_> yup
[12:07] <alk_> but don't buy their popcorn maker :(
[12:07] <alk_> it sucks
[12:07] <JaLu> lol lidl
[12:07] <sqrt[evil]> lol
[12:07] <JaLu> where are yuo from?
[12:07] <alk_> Rep of Ireland
[12:07] <philh> england
[12:07] <JaLu> ahh i like that raspberrypi was made in england, plenty of british people on ere
[12:07] <sqrt[evil]> canada. hooray for sleep deprivation
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[12:08] <alk_> hehe
[12:08] <philh> alk_, i can recommend their TRONIC battery charger, i hear it's a rebadged ansman, very good either way
[12:08] <alk_> :)
[12:08] <alk_> thanks
[12:09] <stuk_gen> alk_: ireland of nord ?
[12:09] <alk_> stuk_gen: what?
[12:09] <techman2> any other aussies in here?
[12:09] <techman2> I know shirro is.
[12:09] <stuk_gen> alk_: rep of ireland is the north of ireland yes?
[12:09] <alk_> nope
[12:09] <alk_> Rep of Ireland is south
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[12:10] <alk_> and it's not part of Britain :P
[12:10] <stuk_gen> alk_: ok so dublin :)
[12:10] <alk_> Galway actually :)
[12:10] <stuk_gen> beer and girls :P
[12:10] <alk_> lol
[12:10] <alk_> really?
[12:10] <stuk_gen> dublin...yes
[12:10] <stuk_gen> XD
[12:11] <stuk_gen> ooh galways is the opposite of dublin
[12:11] <stuk_gen> alk_: here at galways isn't drunk girls?
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[12:20] <alk_> stuk_gen: not that I'm aware :)
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[12:58] <cedeon> o/
[12:59] <techman2> \o/
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[13:05] <cedeon> does anyone know of any rpi firewall projects in development? i would like to participate if there is
[13:05] <cedeon> something akin to pfsense for example
[13:07] <Caver> pfsense is bsd based I think
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[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Many of the linux firewall tools should work
[13:07] <Caver> only problem with Pi and firewalls is that it's only got the one ethernet
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> openwrt - for example
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Caver: Add another on the USB.
[13:07] <Caver> yup ... not going to be stunningly fast though!
[13:08] <cedeon> yeah i added another nic on my efika mx and iptables works fine on it
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[13:08] <Caver> oh it'll defo work :)
[13:08] <Caver> and by all means have fun with it
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Caver: Depends. If your inbound connection is under 10 megabytes/s or so, it's possibly not an issue.
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Mine is well under 1.
[13:08] <Caver> yeah I was more thinking how much latency it would add
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> couple of ms.
[13:09] <Caver> nods
[13:09] <chris_99> you could turn the Pi into your own wireless AP if you could find the right wifi usb device i guess
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> each way - so 4ms on pings
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: yes. I plan to.
[13:09] <chris_99> do you know what wifi device would work as an AP SpeedEvil
[13:10] <cedeon> well rpi is a heck of a lot faster than those cheapy routers
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[13:10] <cedeon> i havn't found much arm support out there tho
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[13:10] <cedeon> i used to have a smoothwall box but even that hasn't been ported to arm
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[13:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> ipcop may be a way - I think someone has done a guruplug version - it starts from lFS
[13:13] <cedeon> hmm thanks, i'll check that out
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> Pi is a very boring box from this POV.
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> It's got quite a lot of memory, and a USB host.
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> That's all. Any linux firewall should work just fine.
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Modulo the ethernet or wifi adaptor working well without any binaries.
[13:16] <des2> The primary RPi ethernet is hung off USB anyway.
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[13:18] <cedeon> efika mx has internal usb nic also.. i bought a belkin usb nic with the same chipset and got a gentoo/iptables firewall working on it so i would think Rpi should be the same in that case
[13:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17311146
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[13:24] <cedeon> damn
[13:26] <techman2> https://twitter.com/#!/ltgoxford/status/178091017105444864
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[13:30] <des2> WTH does that twitter mean ?
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[13:30] <techman2> umm, they have a pi in their hands?
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[13:31] <techman2> and they're excited?
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> This is how excited!
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy69qrJSDxs
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[13:37] <techman2> someone just tweeted that they spoke to element14 and got told they had 55,000 back orders and expect stock in June/July.
[13:37] <techman2> for Asia Pacific.
[13:38] <techman2> tbh, I don't think the APAC arm of Element14 have any idea when they are getting stock.
[13:38] <techman2> especially now.
[13:42] <Caver> *agreed*
[13:42] <Caver> I've gotten emails from them 3 times moving the estimated date around!
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> In general, don't believe first line support, in any large buisness.
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Or governmental organisation.
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Last week they were flipping burgers.
[13:43] <techman2> yeah.
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[13:43] <Caver> and now they're selling Pi
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[13:44] <Hourd> hurr
[13:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> farnell have said they are building for worldwide - so thier bactch will get spead arroud as it is needed
[13:44] <techman2> yeah, I'm glad I ordered with farnell.
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[13:45] <techman2> I don't think I'll be getting it for a good while though
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[13:48] <techman2> I wonder what the hold up was with the first batch though
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> They put the wrong connector on.
[13:49] <techman2> I thought they were supposed to have been shipped in late feb.
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[13:51] <techman2> yeah I know
[13:51] <techman2> just trying to work out the series of events in my head
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[13:52] <drazyl> teh first poneyz waz ok, but when tehy orderd moooar poneyz all te h tailz was on bakwurdz
[13:53] <techman2> oh now I get it
[13:53] <jamesd256> man killall:
[13:53] <jamesd256> A killall process never kills itself (but may kill other killall processes).
[13:53] <jamesd256> damn, that is ninja
[13:53] <techman2> ponies!
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[13:55] <drazyl> jamesd256: better than the judean people's front crack suicide squad then
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[13:56] <jamesd256> drazyl: yes, I believe they run windows
[13:57] <Magoggles> worst product launch EVARrrrrrr :P
[13:58] <drazyl> u will make te h poneyz sad
[13:58] <techman2> no sadz poniez plz!
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[14:39] <steve_rox2> the wrong connector eh , bonus disaster i suppose along side the disasterious launch :-P
[14:40] <steve_rox2> could cost shit loads in fail
[14:40] <steve_rox2> potential lawsuits
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[14:42] <techman2> I doubt anyone would be willing to sue the foundation over a $35 PCB.
[14:43] <steve_rox> nah the foundation sues construction goons for using wrong one
[14:43] <steve_rox> depends whos mistake it was
[14:44] <steve_rox> brb i spose
[14:44] <techman2> I doubt they have the time, money or energy to be interested in doing that.
[14:44] <Caver> I think it was the factories ... but I guess thats one of the things about going the low price assembly option
[14:44] <steve_rox> true tht is more of a yank responce
[14:44] <steve_rox> sue the fuck outter everyone
[14:45] <steve_rox> brb's
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[14:47] <techman2> alright time for bed.
[14:47] <techman2> night all.
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[14:48] <Caver> no just because we do ...
[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, the costs wouldn't be transferred to the foundation, just the delay time. The factory made the mistake, not them.
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[14:51] <koaschten> So, is it in your hands yet? ;)
[14:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah.... and now that I read on, I see that was irrelevant.
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[14:53] <piofcube> Considering how difficult (if not impossible in most cases) to sue manufacturers in that area for fake goods, I don't think a small charity like the foundation could possibly get a good result and besides, they don't have the funds. AFAIK, the situation has been resolved except for obtaining replacement parts.
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> nor would it be smart of them to ruin the relationship with the manufacturers
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[14:54] <koaschten> well farnell probably could
[14:54] <piofcube> yeah... and it would leave a bad taste in many mouths as it could look like spite.
[14:54] <koaschten> after all they are having it made under license?
[14:54] <piofcube> yes, but the fault was with the first 10K...
[14:55] <piofcube> I'm not sure if any of the new ones has been fabricated yet.
[14:55] <koaschten> 55k backorder alone for asia pacific region according to someone on twitter
[14:55] <koaschten> o.O
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Or just run of a largish number of A's while waiting for the part.
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Just don't populate the ethernet.
[14:57] <koaschten> noone who wants to tinker with it wants an A
[14:57] <piofcube> Problem is getting the replacement parts in substantial qunatities now the factory has a load of wrong ports. Which, I'm guessing the company that owns the factory has to swallow the costs of
[14:57] <koaschten> we want the dual usb and lan
[14:57] <koaschten> i doubt you can unsolder and reuse the sockets without further costs
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> I don't want a LAN.
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> I'm not going to be connecting it in most of the apps I have in mind.
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[14:58] <piofcube> I'm sure they will reuse but that would depend on if they get orders for PCBs that use them LOL If they are concentrating on making R-Pis they won't be able to use them for a while to come
[14:59] <piofcube> Or sell them on eBay... LOL
[14:59] <Caver> wouldn't it make a support hastle to have yet another varient out there?
[14:59] <weasel> they could just sell them as is. "we know they are broken, you can buy them anyway"
[15:00] <weasel> I'm sure they would sell :)
[15:00] <Caver> also as I understand it, the ethernet port would work, but ... will produce RF interference and be non FCC complient
[15:00] <weasel> ah
[15:00] <Caver> easier and better to fix at source and release, or remake completely
[15:01] <Caver> I'm sure no one is very keen on crush the 1st batch and start again!
[15:01] <piofcube> I wonder how many people that tried to order actually realise they would be getting a PCB and that's about it?
[15:01] <Caver> heheh yup
[15:01] <Caver> especially in the media streaming brigade ...
[15:01] <weasel> it's not just a PCB :)
[15:01] * drazyl is looking forward to the confusion and complaints
[15:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder why they still make the ports without intergrated magnetics, when magjacks don't cost much more at all.
[15:02] <Caver> for PoE
[15:03] <Caver> where you *want* to get the power off the lines before a separate "mangetics" step
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[15:03] <Caver> (Power over Ethernet)
[15:03] <weasel> .oO( clearly that means that the current batch, termed broken by some, in fact supports PoE :)
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> weasel, clearly! =/
[15:04] <Caver> erk no ... if you tried that, it'd simply blow the ethernet chip!!
[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> how common is PoE outside of some rather specific applications?
[15:04] <piofcube> LOL... I also wonder how many people have been putting bits of metal against their ethernet ports to see if theirs has "magnets" in them LMAO
[15:04] <Caver> how long is a piece of string :P
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[15:04] <weasel> ShiftPlusOne: my switch at home can be powered over ethernet
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> weasel: Well - no.
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> weasel: It means that if you plug a POE device into your Pi, the Pi will explode.
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, he wasn't being serious
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[15:05] <drazyl> awww, its not Poneyz over Ethernetz then?
[15:05] * SpeedEvil is not awake yet.
[15:05] <weasel> clearly.
[15:05] <weasel> :)
[15:05] <Caver> I especially liked all the /. people who thought the magnets were to stop the ethernet cable falling out
[15:05] <weasel> haha
[15:05] <koaschten> ShiftPlusOne it's pretty common for ip phones, ip cameras and similar devices
[15:05] <drazyl> Damn, I missed that discussion
[15:05] <piofcube> LOL
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[15:05] <SpeedEvil> Caver: /. can be asshats.
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't really come across many PoE devices, so I don't know much about them other than the little bit of research I did when designing one.
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> PoE is evil.
[15:06] <Caver> *sniggers* really?
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> It's a standard written to codify existing practice.
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Existing different practices.
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Hence to make a actual PoE device that stands a chance with working from a random PoE injector is messy.
[15:07] <Caver> in theory a PoE hub/switch should *ask* and look for a specific resistance between 2 sets of wires before sending any real power
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> The legacy adaptors don't.
[15:07] <Caver> how ever some real cheap ones just send it right away, which would defo blow things up - they rely on the ethernet spec being stuck too
[15:08] <Caver> I have a vague memory about ethernet needing 1500V of electrical rejection - just incase you get 2 computers on different power phases, and bad powersupplies
[15:09] <Caver> I certainly remember when we had thin-ethernet (10base2) and getting some nasty shocks from it .... the computers didn't mind at all
[15:09] <piofcube> I remember many people thinking that the BNC end terminal plugs were to stop the data dripping out the network cables ;-)
[15:10] <Caver> ahahah .... well not entirely false
[15:11] <Caver> I have a lovely artistic structure of a bunch of T pieces and terminators on my desk
[15:11] * SpeedEvil is unsure where his BNC terminators are.
[15:12] <koaschten> bnc networks ... the bane of my early job career
[15:12] <piofcube> I was really happy when that standard went out the window...Though, yep... I to still have a few artforms constructed out of T pieces
[15:12] <koaschten> customers adds machine to network, network stops working.
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yay for now knowing what the hell you're talking about... and I am supposed to be an EE =( I am going to guess it has something to do with transmission lines and and signal reflection. =/
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> *not
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: the terminators at each end of the 10-base2 coax are tehre to stop reflections.
[15:13] <koaschten> the most od construction I ever created? bnc network to bnc-r45 combo 10/100hub to connect an existing bnc network to a early 802.11b wireless ap
[15:13] <koaschten> ...
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, so I remember something from the transmission lines course.
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> The most odd construction I ever did was a series connection of 4 machines, using 10base2, and no hubs.
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I had no idea what was going on in that course, but managed to get a high destinction somehow =/
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> And 4 cards.
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> *distinction
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> 10base-t rather
[15:14] <Caver> ah
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Sort of token-ring, but not.
[15:14] <koaschten> haha
[15:14] <Caver> (clue - 10baseT is the style we use now)
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Routes were added to make the connections go the right way round the ring.
[15:14] <Caver> 100baseT I suppose?
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> All packets went clockwise.
[15:14] <Caver> oh right ... done in ethernet frames?
[15:15] <Caver> yay
[15:15] <Caver> I still have nightmares about token ring setups
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Does all this mostly fall into communication engineering?
[15:15] <Caver> 4Mb and 16Mb - woo!!
[15:15] <Caver> lol well very antique comms engineering - yes
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, hopefuly that's why I am clueless then.
[15:16] * SpeedEvil bets there are still token ring networks operating.
[15:16] <piofcube> I went to one client (many moons ago) they had wired up their own network and had a single coax cable from each pc and in a small cupboard all the cables were sitting there and they were scratching their heads wondering how they could join them all up using lots of t pieces
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:16] <koaschten> SpeedEvil i know at least of one that was active when i was interning IT at a raffinery
[15:16] <koaschten> their hole sensor network was tokenring
[15:16] <koaschten> whole
[15:16] <Caver> "real" men used used 10base5
[15:17] <Caver> vampire taps were fun
[15:17] <piofcube> I was just about to say that LOL
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[15:17] <weasel> switched TP++
[15:18] <Caver> is it me or have we dissapeared down a *deep* nerd blackhole?
[15:18] <weasel> it's just you. it's not so deep looking from here :)
[15:18] <Caver> ok
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[15:19] <piofcube> I'll not mention Appletalk then ;-)
[15:19] <Caver> best you don't
[15:19] <Caver> though that technically would be on topic, as you could run that on a Pi :)
[15:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> BNC networks - who said that - get out now .... /me shudders
[15:20] <Caver> ahahah
[15:20] <piofcube> Something like 256kbps and max of 32 nodes or something?
[15:20] <Caver> yeah .. well thats what beer after work was to assist with
[15:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> when I moved from a programmer to IT I had to support 100baseT ....
[15:21] <Caver> for appletalk? ... dependes - you have the serial type and the ethernet type
[15:21] <weasel> piofcube: I think netbios (frames) might actually be worse
[15:21] <Caver> do you mean netbuei?
[15:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> mind you the novell server did keep running and running and runnig
[15:21] <Caver> *netbeui
[15:21] <weasel> Caver: if you say netbeui you might mean nbf :)
[15:22] <piofcube> netbuei was the windows only version of netbios, right?
[15:22] * RaTTuS|BIG goes for a shower to erase the memories
[15:22] <weasel> RaTTuS|BIG: acid shower?
[15:22] <Caver> correct
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[15:22] <Caver> weasel, nope!
[15:24] * Caver boots up his win95 setup in vmware, and rebinds his network stack for old times sake
[15:24] <piofcube> I first started out programing and networking Amstrad PCWs... That was a crazy computer LOL
[15:24] <Caver> wow I didn't know you could network them
[15:24] <Caver> the ones with the dotmatrix printers?
[15:24] <piofcube> yup and daisy wheel if you were lucky
[15:25] <Caver> yay
[15:25] <Caver> golf ball ones were always the most mad
[15:25] <koaschten> I still dont get why the golfbal printers work at all :)
[15:25] <piofcube> first scanner I had was a little optical sensor you stuck the the top of the print head and scanned the paper line by line
[15:25] <koaschten> so many letters on a fixed sphere
[15:26] <Caver> piofcube, the ones you manually dragged down a piece of paper - and it would *always* slip?
[15:27] <piofcube> I hated those but this was a little camera type thing that you would put on the printer's print head and it would weave left to right... The printer would pretend it was printing so it would move all over the page
[15:28] <koaschten> http://www.techpowerup.com/162090/Respberry-Pi-Suffers-Minor-Production-Glitch.html
[15:28] <koaschten> respberry Pi anyone?
[15:28] <Caver> ahh
[15:28] <Caver> LOL think they did it on purpose?
[15:28] <piofcube> only if you provide double cream and not from a can either ;-)
[15:28] <koaschten> also, where did it ever say that they shipped out?
[15:29] <Caver> the spray on cream with the laughing gas for me :)
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[15:29] <Kolin> extra thick double of clotted please
[15:30] <Kolin> none of this fake stuff
[15:30] <Kolin> or clotted*
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[15:30] <Caver> I like mine well whipped
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[15:32] <Caver> well I didn't know that .... Element 14 Ltd. is in fact the renamed Acorn Computers
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[15:34] <OneFix_Work> Caver: That's probably not by coincidence :)
[15:34] <Caver> erm - ... explain!
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[15:35] <OneFix_Work> Caver: ARM = Acorn RISC Machine
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[15:36] <OneFix_Work> Acorn also made the BBC which is the machine the rPi is inspired by
[15:37] <Caver> oh I know that
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[15:37] <alk_> Caver: interesting!
[15:37] <steve_rox> kinda glad i dident make it into the werid frenzyed launch sale now with all these issues :-p
[15:37] <Caver> not to mention acorn kicked off the whole ARM design in the 1st place
[15:37] <alk_> nice fact there about Element 14 :D
[15:37] <Caver> it's one of those odd - full circles :)
[15:37] <alk_> :D
[15:37] <alk_> and Element 14 is ... Silicon
[15:37] <OneFix_Work> Caver: Yea, Apple claims that they had a hand in it too, but I'm pretty sure it was all Acorn
[15:38] <Caver> only a financial one
[15:38] <OneFix_Work> Caver: Funny enough, when the ARM design first came out, it kind of flopped
[15:38] <alk_> did it?
[15:38] <Caver> heheh yeah - I'm still the prowed owner of a Acorn Archimedes A340 :)
[15:39] <alk_> you could get an ARM 2nd processor for Acorn BBC if I remember correctly
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[15:39] <Caver> yup the intel 80386 came along and eat it's lunch :)
[15:39] <Caver> hmmm perhaps the BBC Master?
[15:39] <alk_> nop
[15:39] <OneFix_Work> alk_: Actually, Acorn betting on the ARM to power their "business machine" was kind of what killed the company
[15:39] <Caver> I remember a 80186 co pro, and a Z80 co pro
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[15:40] <alk_> maybe it's a retrofit :D
[15:40] <alk_> http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=1557
[15:40] <alk_> 128X speed boost for Beeb
[15:41] <Caver> heheh much more likely
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[15:42] <steve_rox> says here ms is closeing its windows mobile app store, what a suprise that is
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[15:42] <alk_> aha!
[15:42] <alk_> http://www.stumpie.com/armeval/
[15:42] <alk_> there's the original
[15:42] <alk_> this is pre Archimedes
[15:43] <alk_> http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/BBC/ARMeval.html
[15:43] <alk_> :)
[15:43] <alk_> 1986
[15:43] <Caver> there ya go
[15:43] <Caver> well never heard of it
[15:43] <alk_> :D
[15:43] <Caver> wonder how many they sold!
[15:43] <alk_> there's always something new on teh internets
[15:43] <alk_> even from way back
[15:43] <OneFix_Work> The argument could actually be made that VLSI and Online Media have made the ARM what it is today
[15:43] <steve_rox> i have a acorn electron compy here somewhere , dident come with a storage device so i dident get too far with it
[15:44] <Caver> OneFix_Work, hrm ... VLSI were involved with the archimedies ?
[15:44] <steve_rox> wonder if ppl will be getting these older basic compys gutting them and shoveing pi's into their shells
[15:44] <Caver> no thats wrong!
[15:45] <Caver> not to mention LOL ... kind much too large
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[15:45] <steve_rox> what about one them old spectrum compys with the rubber buttons?
[15:45] <steve_rox> not sure the size of them
[15:45] <OneFix_Work> Caver: VLSI was the one that was originally tasked with "finding new applications for the ARM CPU"
[15:45] <steve_rox> whos to stop someone copying the case deisgn into a pi case :-P
[15:45] <Caver> yup
[15:45] <alk_> nice idea
[15:46] <alk_> use an Archimedes A3000 case but put a Pi in it :)
[15:46] <Caver> *cries*
[15:46] <steve_rox> as i rember they are huge
[15:46] <alk_> :D
[15:46] <steve_rox> you know i was forced to dismantle on them once
[15:46] <steve_rox> a entire a3000
[15:46] <alk_> oh yeah
[15:46] <steve_rox> taken to bits
[15:46] * oldtopman is going to put his pi inside of the box for the AMD 8150
[15:46] <steve_rox> and a bbc micro
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[15:47] <steve_rox> someone needs to clone the old spectrum with the rubber keys case into a PI case
[15:47] <steve_rox> or something
[15:47] <OneFix_Work> Caver: And when Apple looked at the ARM for several products, including the Newton...Apple and Acorn both decided that a separate holding company would be the best way of proceeding.
[15:47] <Caver> yes
[15:48] <steve_rox> allough i dout all them rubber keys will cover all desired keybord operations
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.microbeetechnology.com.au/premiumpluskit.htm hmm.... $400 seems a bit steep, but I want it =/
[15:48] <OneFix_Work> Caver: VLSI held a stake in ARM Ltd as the first ARM licensee
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[15:49] <alk_> "Element 14 continued to develop its DSP products until it was purchased by Broadcom in November 2000 for ??366 million ($594 million)[91] and Element 14 became Broadcom's DSL business unit.[92][93]"
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[15:50] <Caver> yeah ... which explains an awful lot
[15:50] <alk_> :<
[15:50] <Caver> funny what goes around :)
[15:50] <Caver> so there a family link all the way back to acorn
[15:50] <alk_> ehe
[15:50] <Caver> I how have a warm and fuzzy feeling :)
[15:51] <OneFix_Work> The most interesting thing is, it looks like ARM based devices are prepared to overtake Intel based devices in the next few years...and I'm sure that back in the 80s/90s, Intel quickly dismissed Acorn/ARM as any realistic competitor
[15:52] <steve_rox> i guess arm really devloped as portable device demand increased
[15:53] <steve_rox> and apple cryed for better chips at a fraction of the cost
[15:53] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: Not only that, but the SOC design really eliminates a lot of costly components
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[15:53] <steve_rox> hmm
[15:54] <steve_rox> im hopeing they produce many wacky PI cases ready to purchase
[15:54] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: ARM servers are being developed right now, Windows 8, Macintosh (which is still a rumor, but highly likely), all are moving to ARM
[15:54] <alk_> OneFix_Work: how are VLSI related to rPi?
[15:55] <alk_> it's broadcom who produce the SoC isn't it :)
[15:55] <steve_rox> ms fucked up the x86 windows platform now its arm turn?
[15:55] <alk_> i.e. who boaght acorn
[15:55] <alk_> *bought
[15:55] <Caver> well now that people think of technology much more like an applience, and not something you upgrade componants of ...
[15:55] <steve_rox> ms dont even know what the end user wants anymore thats why they copy everyone else
[15:55] <Caver> steve_rox, more like ms is used to dictating what their users want
[15:56] <Caver> but the only think they make money on is office
[15:56] <steve_rox> and now users are fighting back?
[15:56] <Caver> lol good one
[15:56] <Caver> by buying apple, who are looking more borg like everyday?!
[15:56] <OneFix_Work> alk_: VLSI was the first licensee of the ARM technology (back in the 90s) ... they were tasked with "finding new applications for the ARM", and were also a stake holder (along with Acorn and Apple) in the creation of ARM Ltd. in the early 90s.
[15:56] <steve_rox> ms dictations and forced upgades appears to be distroying them
[15:57] <alk_> ok
[15:57] <alk_> tx
[15:57] <steve_rox> windows and pc's became boring to me since the great vista distaster
[15:58] <steve_rox> used to love working on them now they are just bollocks
[15:58] <OneFix_Work> alk_: Acorn was the original designer of the ARM, but after the 90s (all of the reduction of the chip and ultra low power consumption, etc) that is all ARM Ltd / ARM Holdings
[15:58] <Caver> yeah ... the fun quirks are mostly annoying now ... not sure if thats us or the technology!
[16:00] <Caver> anyway hopefully RPi might be able to put the fun and fire back in to computing
[16:00] <steve_rox> back in the days of win3.1 to about win95 pc tech used to be more adventious hardware wise , ppl trying werid anoying hardware designs
[16:00] <steve_rox> youd open a old pc and say what the fuck is this
[16:00] <steve_rox> these days its all conformity and crap
[16:00] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: Actually, the smartphone operating systems and therefore the tablet operating systems are what has caused people to migrate to them...not necessarily because they wanted something better, but because the OS and applications are more approachable.
[16:01] <steve_rox> more idiot proof?
[16:01] <Caver> more focused, less 2.9 billion options I think
[16:01] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: No, the fact that there is less screen real estate means that developers can't shovel new features everywhere
[16:02] <steve_rox> erm okayz
[16:02] <Caver> heheh I remember Office 97 - it's the percentage of features you'll never use!
[16:03] <Caver> Office 2000 - which came next, just rammed that home even more :P
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[16:03] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: Take a product like Microsoft Excel ... 99% of the users only use about 2% of the features in it...and it is overwhelming to most users who try to learn the whole thing
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[16:03] <steve_rox> they do put a number of stupid features in it
[16:04] <steve_rox> ones your never use or are too complicated to understand
[16:04] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: So, most people are content to learn enough to "just get by"...
[16:04] <steve_rox> simpisity on a iphone?
[16:04] <steve_rox> is that not turning everyone into idiots?
[16:05] <Caver> do you always call your customers idiots?
[16:05] <steve_rox> i have no customers
[16:05] <steve_rox> ;-)
[16:05] <bnmorgan> no, most folks who have them were prior to purchase.
[16:05] <Caver> QED
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[16:06] <bnmorgan> or at least gullible
[16:06] <alk_> OneFix_Work: yeah I knew that much, we had a BBC B and later an Archimedes A440
[16:06] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: Of course Android did as much to encourage that as anyone else...it let people cut the cord from their desktops and let them think of the device as separate from their Desktop/Laptop
[16:06] <steve_rox> hmmmz
[16:07] <steve_rox> whats the general thought around windows8 and its attempt to produce a mobile OS on a desktop pc?
[16:07] <bnmorgan> why?
[16:07] <Caver> LOL ask a easier question
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[16:07] <Caver> you could write essays on that one
[16:08] <bnmorgan> why work on an OS designed for low power and performance under size constrained hardware when you have these godaweful beasts on the desktop
[16:08] <steve_rox> what makes a moble os? easy to see data or stupidly oversized buttons? or a locked down enviroment?
[16:08] <bnmorgan> i mean, somthing designed to run on a passive cooled 2 core 1.2ghz phone versus a liquid cooled 4ghz 6 core with all the surrounding support hardware.
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[16:09] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: I think it's Microsoft's attempt to stay relevant as people shift to ARM computers...Apple is actively trying to merge the Mac OS X and iOS forks...once that happens, Apple will begin producing ARM based MacBooks...imagine a MacBook with an ARM processor, battery life would probably be measured in days :)
[16:10] <bnmorgan> and be able to stumble along on 800mw or something versus relativly unlimited wattage from the wall tap.
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[16:10] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: Once Apple proves it's possible, Microsoft will have to follow or companies like Dell, HP, etc will begin switching to something like Android to give their users what they want
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[16:11] <steve_rox> i thought ms payed dell etc to use their os?
[16:11] <bnmorgan> hmm. reminds me of another question.....does the arm processor lend to being multiplied, like, how hard would it be to put together a or 8 core arm based computer.
[16:11] <bnmorgan> insert 6 or 8
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[16:12] <steve_rox> ms have been fucked since vista
[16:12] <OneFix_Work> steve_rox: No, they pay advertising dollars for them to RECOMMEND it, but the OEMs have always used it because it's "what everyone wants"
[16:13] <jzu> there's a rebate on Windows licences for Dell and others if they install Windows without dual boot
[16:13] <OneFix_Work> bnmorgan: There's already Quad-Core ARM tablets
[16:13] <alk_> "New Ipad" for example
[16:13] <jzu> (source: JL Gass??e, a long time ago)
[16:13] <bnmorgan> i mean, how long before ARM is competitive with amd phenom x6's
[16:13] <bnmorgan> and x8s
[16:14] <bnmorgan> up in the 4-5ghz range with 8x 64b processors
[16:14] <bnmorgan> that stuff is beyond my ability, but even some sort of scalable stackable sort of creature,
[16:15] <bnmorgan> would be awesome for folks like me who are hard on a computer to be able to step up to 32x64 3g processors, rendering and cad would be awesom.
[16:15] <bnmorgan> the nearest machine that i can think of now has 16x processors and costs >$15k
[16:15] <steve_rox> kinda funny how ms is supposed to have millions in $$$ ,massive work force etc and the best they come up with is win8 metro
[16:15] <steve_rox> weirdos
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[16:16] <beardface> Check this out: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/raspberry_pi_painted.png
[16:16] <beardface> I lowered the cost ont he painted ones from 15 to 10
[16:16] <beardface> http://rpicases.blogspot.com
[16:16] <bnmorgan> did somebody actually 3d print a pi?
[16:16] <steve_rox> loading
[16:17] <steve_rox> im not sure what im looking at
[16:18] <beardface> its a 3d printed model of the raspberry pi
[16:18] <beardface> to scale
[16:19] <steve_rox> i guess someones most crazy over the pi
[16:19] <steve_rox> perhaps some kinda mettphor for nude body art painting :-P
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[16:19] <steve_rox> i dunnos
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[16:20] <beardface> ?
[16:20] <beardface> ok
[16:20] <arnd> is anyone working on getting the raspberry pi supported in the upstream Linux kernel without extra patches?
[16:21] <arnd> right now, the platform code is completely missing
[16:21] <steve_rox> well they say the human form is beautyfull right so they paint ppl nude , so they do it with the pi in some simular form :-P
[16:22] <steve_rox> maybe im goin mad
[16:22] <bnmorgan> u mad bro?
[16:22] <steve_rox> :-)
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[16:35] <OneFix_Work> arnd: I would say probably not...since all of the SOCs need their own patches, it would make the kernel too big to support every SOC in the whurrled
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[16:36] <funky> can i pre-order now? the reseller sites dont give me an option that i can see
[16:37] <OneFix_Work> funky: Where are you located?
[16:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> funky where in the world are you
[16:37] <funky> USA
[16:37] <OneFix_Work> funky: Try Newark
[16:37] <funky> i did, no go on newark
[16:38] <funky> oh wait, i think i found another link
[16:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi2.html?isRedirect=true
[16:38] <funky> on newark, but ill call them to make sure it goes through
[16:38] <funky> yeah RaTTuS|BIG no place to order there, or am I not seeing the buy button?
[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> register interst 1st
[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> let me see if I can find another link
[16:39] <funky> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/dp/83T1943?Ntt=83t1943
[16:39] <masterburner> Is there any way to get more stock info on farnell, other then "Back-order" and their emails with the estimated delivery date?
[16:40] <steve_rox> the reg interest feature must be so overloaded , they make millions selling your email address too?
[16:40] <hotwings> [07:11:59] <steve_rox> ms have been fucked since vista <-- you nuts? Windows 7 is very successful
[16:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ that will do
[16:40] <steve_rox> hmm windows7 was the "im sorry" appoligy for vista
[16:40] <haltdef> vista was fine tbh
[16:40] <hotwings> windows 7 is very solid
[16:41] <haltdef> slow file transfers was all I noticed, I never looked back to XP once though
[16:41] <hotwings> theres no 'im sorry' about it
[16:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> win7 is fine - laods better than vista
[16:41] <haltdef> aside from when I tried the beta on a laptop with 512MB ram, that wasn't any fun
[16:41] <hotwings> haltdef - i used vista 64 here for about a year and a half.. it was fine for me but it did have a hiccup
[16:42] <hotwings> yeah, the slow xfers on vista were pretty lame
[16:42] <steve_rox> file transfers were insane
[16:42] <haltdef> win7 was out before that started to irritate me :P
[16:43] <haltdef> ugh, this is going to be an expensive evening
[16:43] <haltdef> possibly two linux devices incoming, paying for half of brother's new satellite box and I want a pandaboard
[16:44] <hotwings> pc-based sat box should be cheap.. ird could be another story though
[16:44] <vgrade> just had an email form RS :)
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[16:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> like http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/rs-final-confirmations/#p51099
[16:45] <steve_rox> "all deals are off - bugger off"
[16:45] <haltdef> pc based sucks, I've tried
[16:45] <steve_rox> "stop dosing our server too"
[16:45] <JaLu> vgrade what does your email say?
[16:45] <JaLu> im eagerly awaiting mine
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[16:46] <JaLu> actually got it set up to go to my work e-mail!
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[16:46] <hotwings> haltdef - what dvb software did you try? im guessing mythtv if you think it sucks
[16:46] <haltdef> dvbviewer
[16:47] <hotwings> dont use crap software, youll have a different opinion then
[16:47] <haltdef> I'd need to buy new hardware to do it in linux, as I don't use it on any of my machines
[16:47] <haltdef> hence the satellite box
[16:47] <hotwings> doing sat in linux doesnt take any special hardware at all
[16:47] <haltdef> it'd take a new PC
[16:48] <piless> windows is quite good for media centre dvbt
[16:48] <haltdef> windows media center is *terrible* for satellite
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[16:48] <hotwings> well, aside of the dvb device, but those are cheap and common now for the most part
[16:48] <haltdef> no, I'd need a new pc because I don't want linux on my current pc :P
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[16:49] <piless> Linux sucks
[16:49] <haltdef> yes
[16:49] <piless> year of the desktop Linux? ha
[16:49] <hotwings> i use linux for my fileservers and htpc/sat. not way i'd touch it for a desktop though
[16:49] <haltdef> my fileserver is windows too
[16:50] <haltdef> I have a linux VM which a raspberry pi would replace though
[16:50] <piless> Linux sucks for anything with a gui
[16:50] <DaQatz> Further stock expected to ship Jul 28, 2012 <--- WOw glad I ordered Day 1
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[16:50] <hotwings> holy ......!
[16:50] <piless> July?!
[16:50] <haltdef> also, no sign of anything from RS here, registered interest 6:03am or so :P
[16:51] <DaQatz> Their site says july for those who order today
[16:51] <hotwings> if my orders get bumped to july, im going to cancel them and try again in 6 months.. hopefully theyll have their sh*t together by then
[16:51] <haltdef> I was late getting my registration confirmation though
[16:51] <DaQatz> hotwings, that's just fore new orderrs
[16:51] <piless> plus in 6 months it'll come with a case
[16:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> my RS enquiry mail came quite late
[16:52] <hotwings> 83T1943 RASPBERRY-PI
[16:52] <hotwings> RASPBRRY-PCBA 1 1 $35.00 Each
[16:52] <hotwings> Back Order
[16:52] <hotwings> Expected Ship Date 02 Apr 2012
[16:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> my farnell is probably still good for april
[16:52] <DaQatz> Same
[16:52] <hotwings> 83T1943 RASPBERRY-PI
[16:52] <hotwings> RASPBRRY-PCBA 1 1 $35.00 Each
[16:52] <hotwings> Back Order
[16:52] <hotwings> Expected Ship Date 03 Apr 2012
[16:52] <hotwings> theres my 2 orders.. just checked now
[16:52] <hotwings> ordered 3/1 and 3/3
[16:52] <DaQatz> April 16th for mine last I checked.
[16:52] <vgrade> http://pastie.org/3556688
[16:53] <funky> anyone using a similar board like beagleboard/pandaboard? - i was going to order beagleboard but i may just wait for be r-pi
[16:53] <piless> you're only allowed one order
[16:53] <haltdef> panda > beagle
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[16:53] <haltdef> I'm eying a pandaboard ES up
[16:54] <hotwings> i didnt order from rs, mine are from newark/element14 usa
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[16:54] <Aquilus_> I still haven't gotten a mail from RS.
[16:54] <Aquilus_> =/
[16:54] <Gadget-Mac> 'RS has received more than 200,000 registrations of interest on its websites across the globe'
[16:55] <Gadget-Mac> Think that qualifies as a RESULT!
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[17:01] <funky> just called up newark and ordered
[17:01] <funky> they told me july'ish to expect.
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[17:02] <Kolin> ill wait till hundreds of people flog them on ebay because there not fast enough for whatever crazy use they devised
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[17:03] <zleap> Kolin, yeah or they will expect too much from them, or the fact they don't run windows
[17:03] <funky> Kolin: yeah tons of people will be dissapointed.
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[17:03] <funky> it will be perfect for my project, cant wait.
[17:04] <bnmorgan> i don't have a project
[17:04] <zleap> funky, i just hope they don't tell others of negative experiences,
[17:04] <bnmorgan> i don't even know what useful thing to do with ubuntu
[17:04] <funky> may start on a pandaboard and get all software sorted out, then migrate it to r-pi
[17:04] <funky> zleap: yeaaah
[17:04] <Veryevil> Just got my confirmation from RS that I got one from the first 10000 batch! I'm so excited
[17:04] <funky> Veryevil: forward it over to me ;)
[17:04] <zleap> i am loooking to use one for a display for the rugby club, so it does a impress type slideshow with results / photos etc
[17:05] <zleap> programming / development stuff of course which the rasp-pi is designed for
[17:05] <funky> within a year im sure there will be simlar products for under $50 - so thats the best part to me.
[17:05] <zleap> yeah different specs taylored to different audiences
[17:06] <steve_rox> counterfit pi's? :-P
[17:06] <funky> zleap: there are really nice jquery slideshows, i do a similar display
[17:06] <zleap> cool, may look in to something like that, want to keep it simple enough for people at the club to use thouse
[17:06] <zleap> though
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[17:07] <funky> i bought one of these for like 5 bucks
[17:07] <funky> http://pixelentity.com/previews/components/estro/index.html
[17:07] <zleap> to me, i can use beamer / latex, and ssh and set it up that way (figure out how to first of course) but most mortals out there expect a gui
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[17:07] <zleap> ohh
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[17:08] <zleap> i was thinking of just plugging it in to a tv at the club
[17:08] <zleap> as we have tvs with hdmi input
[17:08] <funky> yup, fullscreen a browser and load up jquery slideshow page
[17:08] <zleap> cool
[17:08] <funky> they will think its a $5,000 device, lol
[17:09] <zleap> yeah
[17:09] <zleap> well if it works then thats a good thing
[17:10] <zleap> in fact I am setting up a computer group (still waiting for red tape to complete) maybe one ofthe young people who joins can make something of the idea
[17:10] <zleap> so can that pixelentity be set up as a very simple text / picture slideshow
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[17:19] <zleap> Can i export impress slideshows as flash ?
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[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> D=
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll take a look
[17:23] <zleap> thanks
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[17:23] <zleap> can't find anything in the help system
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> there's an swf option, yes
[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll export and upload it
[17:24] <zleap> just found it
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[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah it works fine as well
[17:26] <arnd> OneFix_Work: sorry, that doesn't make much sense. We generally want to have all SOCs that people are using supported in the kernel. Since there are a lot of people who are interested in running this one, it would obviously make sense to include it
[17:26] <zleap> if i have a delay between slides auto moving between slides does that work too
[17:26] <arnd> OneFix_Work: adding support for a new soc family is not a lot of code these days, when it's done right
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> idn... I just tried it with lecture slides, which don't have any animations, delays or anything like that.
[17:27] <arnd> OneFix_Work: I'd happily add support to the arm-soc tree, but I won't do the work to clean up that mess myself
[17:28] <zleap> ok
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[17:30] <zleap> well just tried it, in impress it seems to work with moving between slides after 10 seconds, if i save as flash and just open in a browser it doesn't work, i take it i don't just open a swf file ina browser
[17:30] <zleap> well it opens but I have to click to change slide
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[17:34] <mdavey> RS has received more than 200k expressions of interest for R.Pi worldwide.
[17:34] <Veryevil> really thats great
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[17:34] <Veryevil> where did you get that from?
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[17:35] <mdavey> RS to introduce a dedicated webshop for R.Pi.
[17:35] <mdavey> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rs-components-announces-update-on-raspberry-pi-availability-2012-03-09
[17:35] <mdavey> First orders expected to ship late March
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[17:36] <Tobias|> heh
[17:36] <Tobias|> Probably trying to avoid having their main site DDoS'd again
[17:36] <Ben64> The Raspberry Pi boards from RS will be priced at GBP 21.60 plus a shipping charge of GBP 4.95 to any destination worldwide
[17:36] <Ben64> actually shows shipping price!
[17:37] <Tobias|> 34.09 + 7.81 USD
[17:37] <Tobias|> not bad
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Don't forget taxes.
[17:38] <Ben64> no tax from overseas
[17:38] <mdavey> Ben64: don't assume it'll be from overseas.
[17:38] <Ben64> the price is in gbp
[17:38] <traeak> fix the network jacks
[17:39] <traeak> so basically none have been shipped yet and they just recently found the network connector problem
[17:39] <traeak> well days ago
[17:39] <zleap> will rs do bundles so rasp-pi + psu+sd card
[17:39] <zleap> so do these other network connects just not work at all
[17:39] <Ben64> they don't work at all
[17:40] <zleap> ah
[17:40] <Tobias|> SpeedEvil: unless you buy > $1,000 of them, you should be excempt from taxes (what with being in Australia and all that)
[17:40] <Tobias|> exempt*
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> I'm not in australia.
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[17:40] <Tobias|> ah?
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[17:41] <zleap> so do we have any ETA info
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[17:41] <Tobias|> Guess I'm confusing you then
[17:41] <Gadget-Mac> so ??32 delivered in the UK from RS
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[17:41] <Ben64> you will have to pay tax in the uk
[17:42] <Tobias|> Gadget-Mac: ouch
[17:42] <Gadget-Mac> Ben64: thats inc VAT
[17:42] <steve_rox> they rape us in the uk thu tax
[17:42] <Ben64> oh ok
[17:42] <Gadget-Mac> Why ouch ?
[17:42] <Tobias|> >$50US shipped
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[17:42] <Kyzz_> how?
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[17:44] <SpeedEvil> It's also stupid of them.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> If you were sane, you'd want several thousand people to have the opportunity to buy a few carefully selected things along with their pis.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Power-supply, perhaps a suitableish sized case, ...
[17:45] <DDave> yep..
[17:45] <DDave> id actually go for psu + rasp + case
[17:46] <DDave> if its like 10E more expensive :)
[17:46] <zleap> yeah
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you could get the allocation out now - so you can pre-order all the stuff, and have essentially zero risk.
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[17:46] <zleap> i know farnell have bundles
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[17:47] <zleap> the fedora remix looks good, i like the look of geany if that is available for the arm port
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> I mean - ask the 5000 people with the first batch if they want x/y/z
[17:47] <zleap> (see liams tutorial as hes using geany for python)
[17:48] <traeak> i was gone for a week. aside from the ethernet connector gaffe and arch and fedora did I miss anything?
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> traeak: Pretty much no.
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Apart from the above RS price announce
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[17:53] <traeak> RS price announce? (pls elaborate/link) sorry i'm too lazy to scroll up
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[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Is it just me or is SATA kind of unreliable and fragile?
[17:56] <Caver> for what?
[17:57] <Caver> can't say it's given me any problems myself
[17:57] <ShiftPlusOne> everything... but I am mostly talking about the sata cables
[17:57] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: the connectors are fragile unless inside a computer
[17:57] <slaeshjag> the 1st gen cables where horrible
[17:57] <slaeshjag> they would detach by just being looked at
[17:57] <traeak> slaeshjag: current gen cables make damn sure you break them due to the retention clips
[17:58] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: but i haven't had problems with sata connectors themselves....with SATA enclosures, yes definitely
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, my SSD just died and I am pissed off 'cause it was the best one I could afford at the time. Think I am going to stick to PATA and HDD's >=/
[17:58] <traeak> and it seems i have reliability problems with USB3.0
[17:59] <traeak> one machien here one of the 3.0 ports is dead
[17:59] <drazyl> sata connections are rubbish
[17:59] <traeak> and i think the power requirements of usb3.0 may cause problems too (unreliable expresscard)
[17:59] <weasel> um. rs (.at) just mailed me, saying among other things that they don't deal with individuals. *sigh*
[18:00] <traeak> ugh i can't STAND lady gaga
[18:00] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - just buy locking sata cables
[18:00] <ukscone> weasel: i'd let liz know so she can tell rs to fix that
[18:00] <traeak> hotwings: make damn sure you snap off the SATA port and not just detach the connector
[18:00] <traeak> heh
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, the ones I've got are locking =/
[18:00] <drazyl> if you compare sata cables with sas, given it's effectively the same thing, it's quite amazing
[18:00] <hotwings> ive never had a single problem with sata, locking or not
[18:00] <traeak> just got an email from RS a minute ago
[18:01] <touch1337> me too
[18:01] <touch1337> i'm confused about it
[18:01] <traeak> SATA is way better for cooling
[18:01] <touch1337> i got one last week as well
[18:01] <weasel> ukscone: it may just be boilerplate. hard to say
[18:01] <hotwings> i love sata 100 fold over ide cables
[18:01] <weasel> | Aus rechtlichen Gr??nden ist es uns nicht erlaubt, Bestellungen von Privatpersonen zu bearbeiten und auszuliefern, da unsere Preise exkl. MWSt. ausgewiesen sind.
[18:01] <touch1337> but i think i signed up twice as i wasnt sure the first one worked
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[18:01] <traeak> link for the rs pricing?
[18:01] <ukscone> weasel: yup probably is but it does need to be fixeed
[18:02] <traeak> hotwings: inside a case definitely yes. Actually esata isn't too bad but i haven't had anything yet match reliability of external usb2.0 stuff
[18:02] <traeak> i never had firewire working 100% reliably
[18:02] <traeak> always some hiccup or another
[18:03] <stuk_gen> http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/09/03/2012/53177/raspberry-pi-shipping-end-of-march.htm
[18:03] <piless> it sucks that esata doesn't do power
[18:03] <hotwings> i really wanted firewire to succeed
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> How would you go about testing a SSD to check whether it's just data corruption making it unbootable or if it's completly borked? Like a bad sector check or something.
[18:04] <traeak> piless: it does but it's another special connector that only find on laptop esata, not on motherboard esata
[18:04] <traeak> piless: that weird esata/usb charger port dealy
[18:04] <traeak> i've run into external esata drives that power themselves off that esata/usb charger port to run
[18:05] <traeak> makes them a bitch to plug into anything bug certain laptops
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[18:05] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - there are several tools for windows to check ssd's
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, in linux right now... the windows drive is the one that's unbootable
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[18:06] <hotwings> last i knew, and i certainly dont keep tabs on it, but linux + ssd tools was like looking for a water fountain in the desert
[18:07] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
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[18:13] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, BIOS doesn't even detect the disk, so that's probably saying something.
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[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Time to restart the computer until magic happens.... 'night
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[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray... I fixed it by plugging it into a different port and restoring a backup disc image. =/
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[19:03] <koaschten> so much for my rs-component registration ... http://goo.gl/kqPKl
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[19:04] <Caver> did you order more than one?
[19:05] <koaschten> no, you couldnt order directly from rs-components, but express your interest
[19:05] <Caver> ah they replied!
[19:05] <Caver> not heard a thing from them yet
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[19:11] <Karmeck> did anyone els get 2 emailes from rs?
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[19:12] <Karmeck> one good and one bad
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[19:12] <PaulFertser> Karmeck: what do you mean? :)
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[19:13] <Karmeck> i got one mail saing im in the first batch
[19:13] <Karmeck> then i get a new one that says im not
[19:13] <lars_t_h> koaschten, they just that you can only get 1 Pi, and more information will come later. I had recieved 2 of thoose emails - in danish.
[19:13] <Karmeck> thereis a topicin theforum about it
[19:13] <lars_t_h> *just say
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[19:14] <lars_t_h> Karmaon, do you have a link?
[19:15] <lars_t_h> sorry wrong screenname
[19:15] <Karmeck> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/rs-final-confirmations/page-3
[19:15] <lars_t_h> Karmeck, ^
[19:15] <lars_t_h> thnx
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[19:15] <Karmeck> can someone call them and ask whatis going on
[19:16] <Karmeck> to late forme here in sweden
[19:16] <lars_t_h> Karmeck, you can't do that - i think i will phone RS Components Denmark tomorrow
[19:17] <Karmeck> I know i cant call them but some one in the us can
[19:17] <lars_t_h> Karmaon, there is RS Components FAQ. I have a link somethere ...
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[19:18] <Karmeck> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/rs-components-faq
[19:18] <rafal> 78.30.120.101
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[19:19] <lars_t_h> Karmeck, http://dk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&file=questions&cm_sp=raspberrypi-_--_-questions
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[19:19] <lars_t_h> oh, you had posted the link ...
[19:19] <Karmeck> and it dose not help me
[19:20] <Karmeck> i got an email ther i got to fill out more information about my self because I was one of the first to register
[19:20] <Karmeck> then i got an email jsut like the one the others get taht were late to register in the first place
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[19:22] <lars_t_h> Karmeck, me neither - would be nice with delevery info, but raspberry.pi had said something about collecting enough component to begin the manufacturing of 10K's of Pi (2nd batch is 100K RPi's AFAIK)
[19:22] <Karmeck> im gonna try to call the uk site as they are open 24/7
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[19:23] <lars_t_h> 24/7 sevice is nice
[19:26] <Karmeck> talking to them now
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> Ah - got mail from RS saying they're going to send me mail.
[19:27] <Caver> lol
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> They could at least say where people are in the queue.
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[19:28] <Caver> I guess the realised that if they screw this up or make it unfair a awful lot of geeks would never order from them again
[19:28] <mkopack> ?
[19:28] <mkopack> Wha'ts up?
[19:28] <Karmeck> they said itwas sent out to evryoen
[19:29] <Karmeck> just so we know they have not forgeten about us
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[19:29] <Karmeck> so evryone get the "bad" mail but only a selected few get the "good" mail
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[19:37] <mkopack> yeah, I got a couple emails from RS today, but much of the same "Thank you for registering your interest"...
[19:37] <mkopack> I've basically given up on RS??? just hoping Newark pulls through
[19:38] <Caver> nods
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[19:39] <slaeshjag> mkopack: I've gotten three of them since I registered interest, all with exactly the same content
[19:39] <mkopack> yup, same here
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[19:40] <koaschten> I just want one with a working rj45 port before easter :/
[19:40] <Thorn_> working rj45 port?
[19:40] <Caver> when is easter this year?
[19:41] <mkopack> April 8 IIRC
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[19:43] <jamesglanville> so if I got an email saying I'm in the first batch and wanting delivery address from rs, that's good right? or does everyone get that?
[19:43] <Karmeck> some report only geting the bad one
[19:44] <Karmeck> if you got a mail saing Congratulations you are in
[19:44] <jamesglanville> woop :)
[19:44] <RaYmAn> jamesglanville: I only got a second email saying "thanks for registering, will contact you later"
[19:44] <Caver> mug him!
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[19:44] <jamesglanville> i'm surpised neither rs or farnell used it to try and steal customers from other webshops by being more detailed
[19:45] <jamesglanville> a number of times i've opted for rapid over rs and farnell because it's easier and I get better order info
[19:46] <Caver> well I think the Pi more or less sold itself
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[19:47] <Karmeck> but can some one els also call thire local rs and ask what is going on
[19:47] <Karmeck> just to be sure
[19:50] <piofcube> I usually order from Rapid, TBH...
[19:50] <PiKeY> i`ve had both emails, registered @ home addy about 6.10 then again at work account about 7.45, Home addy got "first batch" email. work got "contact you later email".
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[19:58] <kallisti5> anyone have a mirror of the emulator that was at http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/20/new-raspberry-pi-development-vm-v0-2/ ?
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> PiKeY: What is the 'first batch' email?
[19:59] <ukscone> kallisti5: hold on a while, new version being uploaded to the raspberrypi.org d/l servers
[19:59] <kallisti5> (the guys server has been pi-doted'ed)
[19:59] <kallisti5> ukscone: ok :) thanks
[19:59] <ukscone> new ver as lots of tweaks and changes and has all 3 rootfs installed for building against
[20:00] <ukscone> only problem is it's 8 fricking gig large
[20:00] <kallisti5> ukscone: i'm more interesting in starting the basics
[20:00] <kallisti5> ukscone: eg, getting non-linux booted :)
[20:00] <ukscone> becuase the 3 distros are 3x2.5ish
[20:01] <ukscone> kallisti5: ok when the site gets back online i have a "tutorial" on how to setup a vm yourself
[20:01] * kallisti5 is that crazy bastard tring to start a Haiku port
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[20:01] <kallisti5> ukscone: is it a full hardware emulator that uses the closed-source gpu boot stuff?
[20:01] <PiKeY> just phoned rs, site goes down for the weekend in 1hr, she not even sure if orders will be live on Monday, as they only taking proper orders when they have stock.
[20:01] <beardface> I got a "stop it" e-mail from the raspberry pi foundation for http://rpicases.blogspot.com
[20:01] <beardface> wtf to that!
[20:02] <ukscone> kallisti5: nope it;s scratchbox2 & qemu BUT a patch script is coming to let you use sbrsh which will help in porting
[20:02] <ukscone> especially if you have a real eraspi
[20:02] <traeak> what reasoning beardface ?
[20:02] <piless> stop it?
[20:02] <ukscone> until then though we are stuck with qemu for emu needs
[20:02] <beardface> trademark infringement
[20:02] <traeak> not surprised
[20:02] <traeak> which portion?
[20:02] <kallisti5> ukscone: guess I will have to wait until my real one shipps March 13th :D
[20:02] <beardface> I dont know, i emailed back for clarificatin
[20:03] <beardface> hopefully just the logo which i used for a favicon
[20:03] <ukscone> i'd guess it's the use of the graphic
[20:03] <beardface> but i think they don't want me to mention the name raspberry pi anywhere on my blog
[20:03] <piless> beardface: they have to do that otherwise they'll lose the trademark
[20:03] <ukscone> with no attribution possibly
[20:03] <kallisti5> beardface: just call it " the pi"
[20:03] <ukscone> and you need to put (tm)'s alover the place too
[20:03] <piless> blame the law
[20:03] <traeak> "trademark" doesn't necessarily cover art i think
[20:04] <ukscone> traeak: the graphic could be for copyright
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[20:04] <ukscone> guru/the foundation own the copyright on that
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> The name may also be trademarked
[20:04] <ShiftPlusOne> You're allowed to say raspberry pi, it just depends on the context. You have the name in your product "A RASPBERRY PI (B) PCB MODEL" there.
[20:04] <beardface> its not "the pi"
[20:04] <beardface> its a raspberry pi
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[20:04] <beardface> and if anything, it helps them
[20:04] <beardface> i sell cases for the thing
[20:04] <piless> which one covers art? I have know that Cadburys get possum if you use their exact shade of purple
[20:04] <ukscone> but i don't know
[20:04] <beardface> and models to get people excited
[20:05] <piless> *pissy
[20:05] <kallisti5> beardface: "it looks a like a pi"
[20:05] <beardface> kallisti5: it is supposed to
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> kallisti5: But blurrier.
[20:05] <beardface> its a model to scale
[20:05] <kallisti5> beardface: just say "it looks like a pi, but blurrier."
[20:05] <piless> beardface: make a post on the forums
[20:05] <kallisti5> no mention of raspberrys
[20:05] <kallisti5> or raspberries
[20:06] <kallisti5> or maybe blurry pi?
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, I'd wait for a clariffication and then make a big deal about it if they reply with something stupid.
[20:06] <beardface> yeah
[20:07] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: thats a good idea as well :)
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[20:07] <piless> call it a strawberry cake instead
[20:07] <beardface> i was nice in my e-mail back
[20:07] <beardface> but said i wasn't going to do anything till they were more specific
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[20:07] <Thorn_> they just want all the money for themselves
[20:08] <Thorn_> the foundation are worse than apple and microsoft combined
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if you change the text to "A case for Raspberry Pi(TM)" it will be fine anyway.
[20:08] <ukscone> Thorn_: Liz's shoe fetish is expensive
[20:08] <kallisti5> LOL
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[20:08] <kallisti5> ukscone: i almost want to tweet that
[20:08] <piless> thorn: haha, apple are a 1000x worse
[20:09] <ukscone> kallisti5: you trying to get me killed? :)
[20:09] <kallisti5> "Raspberry Pi: paying for Liz's expensive shoe fetish"
[20:09] <kallisti5> that would make a great slogan on the website... vs computers and students and everthing :P
[20:10] <des2> They're going away for a ski weekend.
[20:10] <ukscone> des2: that's what they are telling us really it's to setup a numbered swiss bank account
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[20:11] <des2> I don't think they sold that many stickers.
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[20:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2503550
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> They actually have a trademark on Raspberry pi - text
[20:13] <piless> since openELEC is built for embedded systems does that mean it will have a smaller footprint than the fedora/arch/debian offerings?
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[20:13] <funkster> anyone know if i can use this http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8335 LCD with r-pi ?
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> So, add a (tm), and point at teh r-pi org
[20:14] <kallisti5> funkster: you can do anything you want to.. just depends on how much hardware you want to design :)
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> beardface: Oh - and remove the raspberry from your website icon
[20:14] <funkster> kallisti5: can i EASILY use this, lol
[20:14] <mkopack> piless: It should. and more importantly, it should be quite a bit faster / tighter and use less RAM (until you run XMBC on it.) That's the whole point - strip out all the extra crap and make it a dedicated tight OS just for playing media
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> funkster, if you have to ask, nope.
[20:15] <funkster> ok can you guide me in a direction of what i would need to do?
[20:15] <kallisti5> funkster: as far as I know, the connectors on the board are for an LCD
[20:15] <kallisti5> at some point it's supposed to be an official accessory
[20:16] <kallisti5> *speculation*
[20:16] <kallisti5> otherwise... just get a wee hdmi display :)
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, which connectors?
[20:16] <piless> mkopack: excellent
[20:16] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Raspberry-Pi11.jpg
[20:17] <kallisti5> the black plastic ones on the left and bottom right/center
[20:17] <piless> wow 70mb
[20:17] <kallisti5> not sure which is which
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[20:17] <mkopack> piless: that's the size of it?
[20:18] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: i'd still just get a small composite display or hdmi display.. esp if you have limited electroncs exp.
[20:18] <des2> funkster It appears you'd need to make an interface board.
[20:18] <chris_99> beardface, did you make that 3D printer yourself?, looks interesting
[20:18] <piless> mkopack: according to the blog post
[20:18] <beardface> chris_99 yes
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[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, from scratch?
[20:18] <beardface> yes
[20:18] <chris_99> cool, do you have a blog or something on how you made it beardface?
[20:18] <mkopack> If so, that's good??? THat means it's pretty tight and won't waste a lot of resources, so you'll have more CPU+RAM for doing the decoding in
[20:18] <beardface> these are all 3 printers i built: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/2012-03-02%2014.00.20.jpg
[20:19] <funkster> des2: gotcha, so i should look for a rca/hdmi screen instead?
[20:19] <beardface> crhis_99: its actually a prusa mendel
[20:19] <beardface> they are a very popular open source printer design
[20:19] <beardface> check out #reprap
[20:19] <des2> An hdmi screen yes.
[20:19] <beardface> costs about 450 to assemble on your own
[20:19] <piless> shouldn't the gpu be doing the decoding?
[20:19] <des2> Someone posted an HDMI screen from ebay for avout $50.
[20:20] <des2> Avoid rca, which will give you bad quality.
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[20:20] <des2> But you can get rca screens for around $22.
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, those are labeled as "CSI" and "DSI" but I don't know what those interfaces are.
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes bad quality is fine if you want a 3" display with 4 lines of text on.
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> CSI has very good zooming.
[20:21] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: *speculation*
[20:21] <kallisti5> SpeedEvil: *enhance*
[20:21] <des2> DSI is a display interface.
[20:21] <kallisti5> there you go
[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah so they are serial display and camera interfaces
[20:22] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Serial_Interface
[20:23] <ShiftPlusOne> wonder if that would be accelerated or just cpu drivern
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[20:23] <des2> "Specifications are available to MIPI members only. For more information on joining MIPI, please go to Join MIPI."
[20:24] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-14-USB-Mobile-LCD-Monitor-Black-PA3923U-1LC3-/170796019348?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item27c43c6e94#ht_2009wt_1141
[20:24] <kallisti5> wait.. that's usb. n/m
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, I wasn't the one asking about it, funkster was.
[20:24] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: ack.
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[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[20:27] <mkopack> Is it sad, nostalgic or funny that I have a USB floppy drive plugged into my Mac Pro?
[20:27] <mkopack> LOL
[20:28] <des2> sad
[20:28] <Henchman21> depends on if its 1.25 or 3.5inch
[20:29] <des2> It's only funny if it's 8"
[20:29] <mkopack> I forgot I had it plugged in.. 3.5" I was trying to get some old DOS games running inside of a virtual machine
[20:29] <slaeshjag> mkopack: USB floppy drives are horrible :/
[20:29] <Henchman21> 5.25
[20:29] <Henchman21> i mean
[20:29] <mkopack> LOLL, in fact, I wonder if I could use that on the RPi?!?! LOL
[20:29] <mkopack> REALLY make it a blast from the past!
[20:30] <des2> Floppy boot would be even slower than SD card boot
[20:30] <mkopack> oh, I know!
[20:30] <mkopack> I REMEMBER those days!
[20:31] <mkopack> (Watching this openELEC video??? HAve to say, I'm impressed!)
[20:32] <thauta_> I've been looking at this touch screen but probably linux wouldnt have drivers for the touch part http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAMSUNG-7-LED-LCD-Sunlight-TouchPanel-w-Control-Board-/110659968637?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c3d91e7d
[20:32] <Henchman21> touch screen drivers arent rocket science
[20:32] <thauta_> would make a nice carpc with Pi otherwise =)
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[20:33] <Henchman21> i think evdev would suffice
[20:34] <thauta_> you got a working touch screen?
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[20:34] <Henchman21> yeah my android phone :P
[20:35] <thauta_> hah :P
[20:35] <thauta_> well im not that confident about my skills to make it work
[20:35] <weasel> mkopack: well, I found a 5.25" floppy in a cabinet at work this week.
[20:35] <thauta_> waiting for someone else to give it a try first :P
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[20:36] <mkopack> weasel: Yeah, that's where I found this one??? I figured nobody has gone looking for it since I started working there 10 years ago, so I thought it was safe to take home :)
[20:36] <weasel> I put the floppy back
[20:36] <weasel> maybe somebody else will find it years from now :)
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[20:43] <Kushan> Anyone get an email from RS today? =D
[20:43] <weasel> yeah... :/
[20:43] <PaulFertser> Anyone haven't?
[20:43] <acfrazier> anyone get one yet
[20:44] <Henchman21> just got my 7port powered usb hub in the mail
[20:44] <Kushan> Didn't get one, weasel?
[20:44] <weasel> got one. said they wouldn't sell to individuals
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Kushan: I did.
[20:44] <haltdef> yeah I'm ordering a pandaboard now :P
[20:44] <Kushan> =D
[20:44] <Henchman21> and an sdcard
[20:44] <Kushan> I did, too
[20:45] <Kushan> Just need to accessorise now!
[20:45] <haltdef> I'll get a pi eventually, need to play with an ARM board now though :P
[20:45] <weasel> on the plus side, my imx.53 arrived today. imx53++
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[20:45] <Henchman21> 8GB
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[20:45] <des2> If you want to play with an arm board buy a $25 pogoplug.
[20:45] <Kushan> I was hoping the RPi foundation would start selling the accessories early (hubs, SD cards, etc.) So I could throw extra cash their way
[20:45] <mkopack> ordered 2 more 16GB SD cards and 2 HDMI cables from Newegg last night??? Free shipping on all of it :)
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[20:46] <RaYmAn> des2: are those even being sold still?
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[20:52] <des2> Yes I bought one for $22 delivered from jr.com a couple of weeks ago.
[20:53] <markus__> is a pogoplug just 25dolare$?
[20:53] <markus__> cool
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[20:53] <mkopack> SO glad I got the Sheevaplug working with Zoneminder finally
[20:53] <Vazde> any news on when foundation starts to sell accessories?
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> Vazde: not before they get the raspi out the door
[20:54] <markus__> a small arm device with 2 ethernet jack would be a cool mitm device
[20:54] <mkopack> Vazde: Eh, at this point, you're probably better off just buying from 3rd parties. You'll probably be able to get things cheaper and faster that way
[20:54] <des2> Lowest right now I'm aware of is $27: http://www.buy.com/prod/pogoplug-multimedia-sharing-device-classic-pink/219855865.html
[20:54] <piless> vazde: since they've out sourced it, and it would be up to Farnell or whoever
[20:54] <haltdef> omg pink
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[20:54] <des2> But every feew weeks someone seems to have one for < $25.
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[20:57] <Vazde> well.. it seems it'll take at least few months before i even might get raspi, no hurry
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[20:59] <piless> is it possible to set up a server on mobile network?
[20:59] <markus__> yes
[21:00] <piless> like you could stick your ip out in field with a solar panel and a gsm network connection
[21:00] <piless> *pi
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> piless: you may not want to.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> piless: General accessible IP with no NAT means that you get random background noise from the internet.
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[21:01] <weasel> no NAT means you are on the real internet.
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:01] <Vazde> iptables
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> iptables doesn't help at all
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> As the problem is that when you get a packet, the modem wakes up, and uses a _lot_ more power.
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Especially on 3G
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
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[21:02] <SpeedEvil> n900 (phone) - 3G data - pings every 30s - average 130mA - half a watt.
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> ish
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> With idle connection - ~2mA
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[21:28] <OneFix_Work> So, the first rPis should begin arriving next week???
[21:29] <OneFix_Work> Was the foundation able to secure a supplier for the magnetic ports?
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[21:32] <zer0her0> wow they're using magic ports now???oh magnetic???huh not as fun..
[21:33] <piless> OneFix_Work: turns out nobody makes them anymore so the raspberry pi project has been shelved
[21:33] <OneFix_Work> zer0her0: Yea, here they are trying to compete with Apple :) I kid, I kid :)
[21:33] <OneFix_Work> hehe
[21:34] <zer0her0> OneFix_Work, hehe.
[21:35] <traeak> OneFix_Work: we're attempting to *destroy* apple
[21:36] <traeak> not just compete
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[21:36] <traeak> first thing that comes to mind: modelA !
[21:37] <piless> fuck model a
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[21:40] <traeak> i mean retool them as "model a" and be done with it :-p
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[21:41] <traeak> or model C (2 usb, no ether!)
[21:44] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Or even better, 2 USB and fake ether :)
[21:45] <des2> Model B-
[21:46] <OneFix_Work> Actually, if they just re-sold them as "rare" boards, they could have charged more...better yet, sell them to the people who wanted a "kit" and say "here's your kit" ...
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[21:47] <mjr> des2, A+ would market better ;)
[21:48] <traeak> mjr: but technically less correct
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[21:48] <traeak> !w
[21:48] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Fri Mar 9 14:53:00 2012. Temp 13??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 12%, Later 12??C - 3??C. Condition: Clear.
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[21:50] <SpeedEvil> !w
[21:50] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife on Fri Mar 9 19:50:00 2012. Temp 281K. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 71%, Later 286K - 280K. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[21:51] <wiiguy> !w
[21:51] <wiiguy> :/
[21:51] <wiiguy> !w spijkenisse
[21:51] <PiBot> wiiguy: in Spijkenisse, South Holland. Temp 9??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 76%, Later 11??C - 5??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[21:56] <mkopack> awesome, just found my 2 power adaptors for the Rpi's??? a pair of iPhone AC power charger blocks??? just need to plug in the USB->Micro cables instead of the iPod sync cables
[21:56] <mkopack> One is a belkin adaptor - 5.2V @ 1a
[21:56] <mkopack> the other is the apple one- 5.0V @ 1a
[21:57] <mkopack> yay, 2 less things I have to buy
[21:57] <courpse> Power adapters?
[21:58] <courpse> oh, nevermind, i keep thinking of mediabox when i think of rasppi.
[21:58] <courpse> Just plug the USB into the TV for mediaboxes.
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[21:59] <wiiguy> m ine will be powered trough a usb hub
[21:59] <mkopack> Also found 2 USB keyboards, 2 USB Mac mice, and a nice powered 7 port USB hub in my junk bin to use :)
[22:00] <courpse> bluetooth iLasor keyboard for mine, :)
[22:00] <mkopack> so, I think I have everything I need either on hand, or on the way
[22:00] <courpse> Now we just need the device itself, :/
[22:01] <mkopack> yup??? hopefully a couple weeks from now
[22:01] <mkopack> Newark is still showing March 30 ship for my first one, and April 2 for the 2nd
[22:01] <traeak> yeah, bootoof
[22:01] <traeak> i'll probably grab an ms 6000 bootoof and some trash mouse otherwise
[22:02] <mkopack> YEahm I would have liked to have gone BT, but they're kinda pricey, and I already have enough stuff around the house
[22:02] <mkopack> so why buy something else?
[22:02] <traeak> exactly
[22:03] <traeak> actually for now i'll use a powered hub
[22:03] <traeak> i honestly don't know how bluetooth connecting, etc woudl work with one of these distros
[22:03] <traeak> if you got a model 'a' and only had a bluetooth dongle in it i gather you'd need todo something to make sure a bootoof keyboard would initially pair with it
[22:04] <mkopack> using those USB dongles for the BT, wouldn't the hardware just present the KB+Mouse as thought they're plugged into the USB jacks?
[22:04] <mkopack> (of course, you still have to pair them, so I guess now)
[22:04] <mkopack> not)
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: no
[22:04] <markus__> Do you have the IRC window maximized?
[22:04] <markus__> i have
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> they look like BT devices
[22:04] <mjr> the ones that masquerade as USB HID devices are usually pre-paired
[22:04] <traeak> or not using bootoof
[22:05] <mjr> but yeah for actual BT HID stuff you probably need to set it up
[22:05] <mkopack> I would think the RF (non BT) or IR ones wouldn't require anything special in the OS??? the dongle would just trick it to think it's USB??? but the BT ones that require pairing through the software would probably be a problem
[22:05] <traeak> i would also assume you could do something like what ninty does with the wiimotes
[22:05] <traeak> and just auto pair somehow
[22:06] <traeak> maybe that's programmed into the wiimote signature though
[22:06] <traeak> ugh
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[22:13] <mkopack> hahaha???. college friend just pointed me at this old iPhone / iOS 3.0 release event article??? http://www.pcworld.com/article/161408/top_5_favorite_happenings_at_apples_iphone_30_media_event_not_copypaste.html
[22:13] <mkopack> Look at #4 - Funny Names...
[22:13] <mkopack> I went to college with that guy!!! And I used to say the EXACT SAME THING about his name!
[22:14] <Thorn_> whats funny about hody crouch?
[22:14] <mkopack> It's just such a WEIRD name???
[22:14] <mkopack> (and believe me, HE was weird as well!)
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[22:14] <Thorn_> fair enough
[22:14] <Thorn_> my name is puttputtdingding
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[22:26] <ctyler> The Remix has bluetooth modules, haven't tested them though. Should work same as on x86.
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[22:37] <lars_t_h> ctyler, bloetooth moduels talks with the bluez subsystem, so it works same as on x86 http://www.bluez.org/
[22:38] <lars_t_h> *bluetooth
[22:41] <Dagger2> config_arch:CONFIG_BT=y
[22:41] <Dagger2> config_debian:# CONFIG_BT is not set
[22:41] <Dagger2> does the Debian image support _anything_?
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[22:50] <mkopack> Dagger: Eh, I'd say just hang in there. You have to figure that all of these distros (especially the debian and Arch and Gentoo ones) will evolve rapidly once people get their hands on the Rpi and can work on improving them to fit their needs
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[22:51] <lars_t_h> Dagger2, i prefor Debian over Fedora, but not if support for Bluetooth is missing, I needed that for a RPi project i have: (getting date and time from a smartphone, android)
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[22:52] <lars_t_h> *prefer i think it should be
[22:53] <traeak> the arch one should be pretty advanced
[22:53] <traeak> considerig the special arm based distro that's out there
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[22:54] <mkopack> and can't you just rebuild the kernel to support what you need?
[22:54] <Henchman21> NOPE MUST BE PACKAGED FOR ME
[22:54] <mkopack> hehe
[22:54] <Henchman21> 8D
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> or steal the kernel from fedora?
[22:54] <traeak> heh
[22:55] <traeak> i used to always roll my own
[22:55] <mkopack> Hench: I hear ya??? I don't know squat when it comes to that stuff??? although I'm hoping to learn
[22:55] <traeak> with all the damn modules all over the place tis' not a PITA to do that
[22:55] <traeak> i mean it is a PITA
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[22:55] <mkopack> traeak: Not to mention knowing exactly which options you SHOULD keep and which ones you shouldn't use.. hell!
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[22:56] <Henchman21> thats why kernels have a .config
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[22:56] <Henchman21> holding all the configs to build be it modulized/built-in/not built at all
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[22:58] <traeak> extra levels of PITA still :-p
[22:58] <Henchman21> nah
[22:58] <traeak> hopefully the rpi kernel can be targeted better
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[23:05] <Henchman21> i dont understand what that means
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[23:06] <mkopack> PITA - Pain in the A**
[23:06] <Henchman21> i understand that
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[23:35] <beardface_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-PCB-Model-Plastic-to-Scale-Painted-/180837941491?pt=Art_Sculpture&hash=item2a1ac800f3#ht_500wt_1274
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> shameless selfpromotion?
[23:36] <beardface_> always
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[23:36] <beardface_> there is no shame in business
[23:36] <beardface_> and beardface needs beer $
[23:36] <fakker> :)
[23:37] <mphi> what 3d printer do you have beardface_?
[23:37] <beardface_> i have 3
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> there's no 'inherent' shame in business. There's certainly plenty of shame in business in general.
[23:37] <beardface_> that is printed on my prusa
[23:37] <beardface_> http://3d.hawkorn.com
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[23:37] <beardface_> ^^ live printing
[23:37] <mphi> nice :)
[23:38] <DataSpree> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> DataSpree, and that costs about 10 kidneys, yeah?
[23:40] <DataSpree> at least
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[23:40] <DataSpree> i wish i knew how much it was but it looks awesome
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I am going to guess about the price of a house region.
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[23:41] <DataSpree> i wonder what model(s) of pick and put robots the raspberry pi is being manufactured with
[23:42] <Thorn_> chinese flesh ones probably
[23:42] <Thorn_> imported
[23:42] <ewan> heh
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[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A1j2RkwJOc
[23:43] <DataSpree> beardface_: I like the live camera view of your printer. good idea putting it online
[23:43] <beardface_> thnx
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