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IRC Log for 2012-03-11

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[0:00] <mkopack> almost done though. Just this quiz, 1 more, 1 lab and finish up a project
[0:00] <zgreg> sounds harsh, but that's probably the easiest way
[0:00] <mkopack> mchou: It was a requirement on me being accepted for the grad school program...
[0:00] <mchou> mkopack: what kind of Mickey Mouse school is this?
[0:00] <mkopack> I'll live, just hassle
[0:00] <mkopack> anyhow, off to quiz??? BBIAB???
[0:00] <mkopack> Drexel U in Philly
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[0:00] <mchou> souds like a diploma mill
[0:01] <mchou> "for profit" colleges :)
[0:01] <mchou> sounds*
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[0:42] <hotwings> nothing to see here, move along
[0:43] <markus> what haha
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[0:46] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[0:50] <mkopack> ok, all done.. that was STUPID easy
[0:51] <IT_Sean> ?
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[0:51] <mkopack> Sean": Stupid F'ing quiz I had to take for one of my grad school classes
[0:52] <mkopack> Now I gotta figure out why my gfx project is screwed up??? sigh
[0:52] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[0:52] <mkopack> 1.5 more weeks till spring break???. can't wait!
[0:52] <IT_Sean> nice
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[0:53] <zer0rez> That seems late, most schools are this week or next week.
[0:53] <mkopack> quarter system
[0:53] <mkopack> end of the quarter
[0:54] <zer0rez> Ah weird.
[0:54] <mkopack> this coming week is week 10, and then finals the week after
[0:54] <zer0rez> What are you studying?
[0:54] <mkopack> eh, I kinda like it??? means if you hate a class you only gotta survive 10(+finals) weeks of it
[0:54] <mkopack> Masters in CS.
[0:54] <IT_Sean> ouch
[0:55] <zer0rez> Yea ouch is right.
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[1:08] <mkopack> yeah, it can be at times???
[1:08] <mkopack> especially since I'm doing it remote (online), and I work full time as well??? Normally I only do 1 class a quarter, but this time around I decided to do 2 (since 1 is REALLY easy, but it's turned out to be more time consuming than I had hoped)
[1:08] <mkopack> 5 more classes to go after this quarter is over...
[1:10] <mkopack> Still have: Advanced Graphics, Theory of Computation (UGH. DREADING), Networking, Cognitive systems, and either Intro to Computer Vision, or some special topics class if they offer something good this summer.
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne2> online degrees are legitimate now?
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[1:12] <mkopack> Well, it's a full degree.. no different than if I was doing it on campus @ Drexel
[1:12] <mkopack> Same classes, same course work, hell, usually it's the same lecture, I'm just watching it streamed acrtoss the internet
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne2> but I mean is it recognised as such?
[1:12] <mkopack> As far as any future employer would see, I went to Drexel
[1:12] <mkopack> Same diploma
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[1:13] <mkopack> So, yeah
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah nice
[1:13] <mkopack> there's zero discinction.
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[1:13] <mkopack> It's not like I'm doing one of those "online only" schools.. those are usually BS
[1:13] <Thorn_> /win 18
[1:13] <Thorn_> ffs
[1:13] <mkopack> This is fully acredited
[1:13] <mkopack> Thorn?
[1:13] <Thorn_> i irssi failed, nvm
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[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne2> well yeah, my university offers online courses as well, but I never really considered doing it that way
[1:14] <Thorn_> i wish they would support that here
[1:15] <zer0rez> I never understood the distrust of online degrees from an actual uni.
[1:15] <Thorn_> my course is 95% online (cisco academy, oracle academy) but i have to turn up full time to use a browser on their pc's.
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne2> lol
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[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne2> zer0rez, it makes sense for things like computer science, but physics, engineering and others.... not so much.
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[1:17] <zer0rez> And why do you believe that?
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[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne2> zer0rez, because practical labs are a big part of learning and I doubt you have say... a massive inductor generator or a wind tunnel at your disposal.
[1:18] <Kolin> BECAUSE GOD SAID NO!
[1:18] <des2> Cisco academy: http://bumwine.com/cisco.html
[1:19] <zer0rez> ShiftPlusOne2: Actually I have both in my front home office, funny you should mention.
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne2> heh
[1:19] <piless> I have a wind tunnel
[1:20] <Kolin> so what are you actualy talking about, i just came home and saw "And why do you beleive that"
[1:20] <zer0rez> ShiftPlusOne2: Do undergrads use those things? Everything I saw as an undergrad was all simulation.
[1:20] <mkopack> Doing the stuff online is a bitch sometimes though??? You just don't get the interaction with the professor or the other students??? I'm the type that learns a lot through discussion with others???
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne2> Kolin, I was just saying that online degrees might not be as legit as proper degrees for things other than computer science and similar.
[1:21] <mkopack> Plus, the whole point of grad school is to build up a network with the profs, and students, and you don't really get to do that
[1:21] <Kolin> agreed ShiftPlusOne2 i did an online A+ N+ and CCNA
[1:21] <Kolin> and it was prety much useless
[1:21] <Kolin> no suport, learned nothing
[1:22] <Kolin> most of those online colleges just want to take your money and leave you to it
[1:22] <zer0rez> Well I think we're still building the tools and professors are still coming to understand the tools in the arena of online teaching
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> zer0rez, yeah a lot of what I've done at uni, I wouldn't be able to do at home.
[1:23] <Kolin> but to be fair, my CS degree wasnt much better
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> but yeah, MOST of what I did at uni, I could've done at home, so I can see how 90% of the courses could maybe be moved to be 100% online.
[1:23] <zer0rez> ShiftPlusOne2: My brother is getting his physics PhD currently and everything he describes is on the computer, he only is on campus to "stay focused" & attend meetings
[1:24] <Kolin> PhDs are for the REALY lazy badtards
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[1:24] <Kolin> who think they can spend another few years pretending to learn
[1:25] <zer0rez> Kolin, agreed completely ;-)
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne2> well.. PhD IS a bit different.
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[1:25] <mkopack> and that's the other thing, trying to find time to do all this damn school work, on top of working full time, having a 1+ hour commute/drive home every night, taking care of the dog, the house, eating dinner, and dealing with the occasional business trip
[1:25] <Kolin> unless you plan to be an academic for the rest of your life
[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne2> mkopack, public transport is great for that. I have a 1 hour train ride to uni, which gives me a chance to get some assesments done before I get there.
[1:26] <mkopack> Yeah, PhD is strictly if you want to do research or teach
[1:26] <zer0rez> mkopack: I think about going back for my masters but I have little desire to become a professor currently.
[1:26] <mkopack> No can do??? if I tried public transportation it would turn into a 3+ hour each way
[1:26] <zer0rez> Hell yea public transit FTW.
[1:26] <mkopack> I live 37 miles away from the office (because the F'ers keep MOVING the office farther away from my house...)
[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne2> mkopack, that sounds like just what you need to solve your time problem.... 3 hours of free time right there.
[1:27] <mkopack> and with the nice housing bubble that burst the market sucks so bad right now I couldn't sell this place for what I owe on it still
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[1:30] <mkopack> Hmm???. Pizza for dinner? Sounds like a good idea...
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[1:31] <mkopack> Before I get too entrenched in trying to figure out this damn graphics assignment bug...
[1:31] <mkopack> otherwise next thing I know it'll be 11:30 and all the places will be closed
[1:31] <zer0rez> What sort of gfx? And yea pizza rocks.
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[1:31] <mkopack> Besdies, how the hell can you be expected to program without pepperoni???
[1:32] <zer0rez> And cheese!
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[1:33] <mkopack> zer0rez: Eh, intro to graphics class. We've been slowly building up own on renderer in each assignment. This last one does Z-ordering, Z-interpolation, and color depth cueing, plus multiple models...
[1:33] <mkopack> and I've got it somewhat working, but I've got a bug somewhere that's causing some strange issues,??? like lines not getting processed or something
[1:33] <mkopack> I'll go to draw out and fill a triangle, and one whole scan line won't get processed or something...
[1:34] <mkopack> so trying to track that down
[1:34] <zer0rez> Nice, I've wanting to get up to speed on computer GFX for some installation pieces I wanna design. And CV as well.
[1:34] <mkopack> Thanksfully I think in the Advanced class next qtr (when they have us write a ray tracer) we get to use OpenGL
[1:34] <mkopack> for this class, we've had to do it all ourselves???
[1:35] <zer0rez> What are you using now? Oh geez.
[1:35] <zer0rez> Yea I think I may skip to OpenGL personally
[1:36] <mkopack> Java and nothing else???not even it's 2D drawing primitives. We have to do all the math to plot points to form lines, use those to draw triangles (when doing wire frames), or do scan line fills, do all the math for the various transformations, etc.
[1:36] <mkopack> and write out what it should look like to a XPM file
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[1:37] <zer0rez> Blah, sounds rough. And tracking down one scan line is going to be a pain.
[1:38] <mkopack> Oh dear GOD I hate websites that are 100% Flash based
[1:38] <passstab> which?
[1:39] <mkopack> mellowmushroom.com
[1:39] <zer0rez> There are still sites like that out there? I figured they'd mostly died by the smart phone era!
[1:39] <Kolin> even the domain name shouts, "stab your self in the eyes im flash based"
[1:40] <zer0rez> Haha yep
[1:40] <mkopack> hehe, best pizza in the area IMO
[1:40] <passstab> it's just a short loop?
[1:40] <passstab> if so it works with gnash
[1:41] <mkopack> Everything you click on the damn site opens more flash. it's SLOW, you can't use the arrow keys to go back, etc. HATE sites like this
[1:41] <mkopack> looks pretty, works like CRAP
[1:42] <Kolin> looking prety is no excuse for flash
[1:42] <passstab> it's dieing
[1:42] <passstab> just slowly
[1:43] <passstab> but faster then m$ ;)
[1:43] <mrdragons> If you diable javascript on the page there's an html page
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[1:43] <Kolin> a big white empty page
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[1:48] <mkopack> ok, gotta go pick up the pizza??? See ya'll in a bit
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[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne2> btw, for those interested in learning new stuff from proper universities, www.coursera.org is pretty good. I am doing their language processing and algorithms courses from stanford.
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[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne2> obviously you don't really get anything for it, but it's well structured, so better than digging around the internet or trying to find a decent book.
[1:49] <zer0rez> Bbiaf
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[2:58] <acfrazier> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/
[2:58] <acfrazier> I give up.
[2:58] <acfrazier> totally.
[2:59] <CuriosTiger> acfrazier: That's ok, I'll buy the Raspberry Pi you were gonna buy.
[2:59] <acfrazier> I've still got my order in :P
[2:59] <acfrazier> the second they push my ship date back I'll cancel though
[2:59] <CuriosTiger> I don't. I ended up on the waiting list.
[3:00] <CuriosTiger> What will you get instead?
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[3:02] <Kolin> apart from the educational uses, no one actualy had a real use for a rpi
[3:02] <Kolin> everyones just creating problems for it to solve
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[3:04] <Thorn_> don't be so goddamned arrogant
[3:04] <Thorn_> the pi's going to solve world hunger and i know it!!!!
[3:05] <Kolin> lol
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[3:05] <mrdragons> What's defined as a real use out of curiousity?
[3:05] <mkopack> Kolin, I wouldn't say that...
[3:06] <mkopack> Granted, it's not like it can do something that we couldn't already do with other computers...
[3:06] <mkopack> It's an issue of being able to do it in a much smaller size, and power footprint
[3:07] <Kolin> my phone has about the same size and power footprint...
[3:07] <Kolin> but anyway i dont want to start an argument
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[3:08] <mkopack> True. but your phone isn't quite as easy to use for general purpose programming.. or robotics work (those GPIO pins are very interesting to us robotics folks), etc.
[3:09] <mkopack> eh, it's a tool???
[3:09] <mkopack> There's all sorts and shapes of screwdrivers, different lengths, bits, sizes, etc.
[3:09] <mkopack> Different ones for different jobs
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[3:10] <mkopack> This is just another tool that is specialized and useful for certain jobs better than other screwdrivers...
[3:17] <Kolin> meh, i have a hammer
[3:17] <Kolin> :P
[3:23] <Da|Mummy> can someone please give me the OK that rpi will support ext4? i really hate to guess on this based on what im about to do
[3:23] <Kolin> OK it will
[3:23] <mkopack> Da: Why wouldn't it? It's just a matter of making sure that support was added into the kernel.
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[3:24] <mkopack> I don't know 100% of that WAS added to the kernels on the distributions we've seen come out, but it should be something that you can add in
[3:24] <Da|Mummy> well, is it?
[3:24] <Da|Mummy> i know some earlier kernels only supported ext2/3 but had trouble with 4
[3:24] <mkopack> For the Pi?
[3:24] <Da|Mummy> ya
[3:24] <mkopack> Or just in general older kernels?
[3:25] <mkopack> Hmm.. then I guess your guess is as good as mine.
[3:25] <mkopack> Seems weird that it wouldn't be possible to select that option in the kernel config and get it added in though
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[3:25] <mkopack> Do you have an EXT4 that you're hoping to mount or something?
[3:25] <Da|Mummy> i will in a minute
[3:26] <Da|Mummy> and im about to write around 2tb to it, so i am highly hoping rpi will read that
[3:26] <Kolin> i cant see why not
[3:26] <Da|Mummy> what kernel is rpi on anyway?
[3:26] <Dagger2> CONFIG_EXT4_FS is enabled on all three distros they've released so far
[3:27] <Kolin> thats software based
[3:27] <Da|Mummy> thank you Dagger2 !
[3:27] <Dagger2> # Linux/arm 3.1.9 Kernel Configuration
[3:27] <mkopack> yeah, was going to say, was pretty sure it was in there
[3:28] <Kolin> Da|Mummy: there's a git hub repo with kernel changes. if youve got the time to troll through it you could apply them to whatever you like
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[3:29] <acfrazier> Kolin, or you could just diff it from 3.1.9 regular
[3:29] <acfrazier> like any sane person, let the computer do the work
[3:31] <Kolin> or that :P
[3:36] <Kyzz> Did anyone get their RPi yet?..... D:
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[3:36] <Kolin> i lost mine
[3:39] <fakker> i threw it on the ground
[3:39] <fakker> this isn't a raspberry pi
[3:39] <fakker> what do you think i am? stupid? it's a computer
[3:41] <mkopack> HA! Fixed the bugs in my graphics assignment! Woohoo!!!!
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne2> and it only took 2 hours =D
[3:48] <mkopack> Shift: Well, there was a 1/2 out pizza fetching in there! :)
[3:49] <mkopack> found 2 stupid bugs??? forgot to put a -1* in one of the calculations...
[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne2> it's always something stupid like that =(
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne2> well not for me, I never make mistakes.
[3:50] <mkopack> and when I was doing the test runs with multiple models I kept getting really SCREWY results??? Well, yeah, that happens when you don't clear out the vertex lists between model renders! So my second model was trying to use the vertex points from the first model! doh
[3:50] <mkopack> lol
[3:50] <mkopack> Of course not :)
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne2> Mostly because I don't code, but still.
[3:50] <mkopack> hehe
[3:51] <mkopack> This is good. This way I can try to finish off the final project for my other class tomorrow, and that takes a LOT of pressure off for next week then...
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[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne2> is that something that would show up pretty quickly when debugging?
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[3:52] <mkopack> that vertex bug?
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[3:52] <mkopack> Kinda did??? I just wasn't sure...
[3:53] <mkopack> 2 of the example outputs and inputs we were given had 3 models in them (Bunny, Cow, and Torroid)...
[3:53] <mkopack> When I was doing other tests, that had only a single model, everything looked fine.
[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne2> so you had to render these models without using any proper 3d library? sounds like quite a pain.
[3:55] <mkopack> Then I'd run the 3 model ones and I'd get a bunny (first model) and then it would be like really weirdly covered with triangles hugging it's surface in the color of the 2nd model??? It looked like somebody took a clay model of a bunny and like covered it in flat triangles really tightly...
[3:55] <mkopack> So I tried running the 3 model tests, but with only 1 model??? did that for each of the 3 models, and they all looked fine.
[3:55] <mkopack> Did it with just 2 models and BOOM, there's the problem. And that's when I had the A-Hah! moment!
[3:56] <mkopack> Yeah, the point of this class is to teach us HOW those 3D libraries work, and basically write our own renderer from scratch??? No OpenGL or DirectX??? we're learning HOW those work internally
[3:56] <mkopack> https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~david/Classes/CS430/HWs/Assignment5.html
[3:56] <mkopack> That's what I was trying to do
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne2> a lot of maths involved in getting the perspective right and such?
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah looking at the sample output, looks like less work than I expected.
[3:59] <mkopack> Oh GOD yes??? I'm DREADINg the final exam because I hear it's murder??? Which is why I was stressing so much to get this last assignment working. Right now I have a 100 in the class, and also some extra credit, so there's a good chance I'll walk into the final with 92.5 our of a possible 100 points and the final is worth 15??? So even if I only get a 50% on the final I still get an A+
[3:59] <mkopack> Well, each assignment built upon the previous ones???
[3:59] <mkopack> first one did "draw lines and do 2D transformations"
[3:59] <mkopack> and do boundary line clipping
[4:00] <mkopack> second was polygons and polygon clipping
[4:00] <mkopack> third was filled polygons
[4:00] <mkopack> fourth was 3D projections with wireframes
[4:00] <mkopack> and now this one added color and filled 3D polygons with multiple models
[4:01] <mkopack> So you had to get the early ones perfect to do the later ones
[4:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> so the worst is yet to come =)
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> 'Create a photorealistic image of a duck'
[4:03] <mkopack> Well, there's an extra credit to do spline curve drawing, but I'm not going to have time to do it??? It's worth 5 points and builds on Assignment 1. I can get 2 of the 5 points just by turning back in my assignment 1 and adding in the changes to the input file parser to deal with the changed input??? So I'm going to do that. Won't take but 15 minutes to do.
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[4:17] <mkopack> Speed: LOL, that's next quarter - Ray Tracing!
[4:17] <mkopack> At least we get to use OpenGL for that one
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[5:17] <MystX> Whoo voice
[5:18] <MystX> I feel special =D
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[5:20] <piless> MystX: +v is so overrated
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[5:20] <MystX> Depends
[5:21] <MystX> When you're on a bus, stuck in a traffic jam in the rain, its pretty exciting
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[5:21] <piless> MystX: Buses are overrated too.
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[5:22] <MystX> i didnt know they were rated high enough for over-rating to be possible
[5:22] <piless> MystX: Some are rated higher than others, but unfortunately they're in the minority
[5:23] <MystX> i rate them all shit teir
[5:24] <piless> MystX: All of them?
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[5:26] <MystX> Yea. Since when is there a good kind of public transport?
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[5:26] <MystX> Unless it's mass teleportation
[5:26] <piless> MystX: Depends on where you are.
[5:26] <wasmith> MystX: london public transport is good ;)
[5:27] <Dagger2> on the plus side, if you are stuck in a traffic jam on a bus, you can go back to reading your book (or whatever does it for you). the people driving cars don't get to do that
[5:27] <MystX> I get to go make small tlk about public transport on IRC =D
[5:27] <piless> wasmith: It's going to be an absolute nightmare when the olympics roll around
[5:28] <wasmith> piless: thats very true
[5:28] <wasmith> luckily I dont live in london :P
[5:28] <wasmith> but down south (where ido live)
[5:28] <wasmith> is where the sailing is
[5:28] <MystX> Lol, same as Auckland's trains for the world cup
[5:28] <wasmith> so that could get very busy
[5:28] <MystX> rugby world cup*
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[5:30] <MystX> ukscone: you here?
[5:31] <ukscone> yup
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[5:39] <piless> http://i.imgur.com/HVWfg.gif
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[5:40] <MrWatson> .list
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[6:14] <mkopack> Omg! New South Park episodes starting Wednesday!
[6:15] <mkopack> Yay!!!
[6:15] <ebarch> if only we had our pis to watch them on =)
[6:16] <mkopack> Lol
[6:17] <mkopack> Given how timely their episodes usually are, and what a big deal the rpi release was, it's possible they might have done an episode on it....
[6:18] <piless> mkopack: Doubtful, it's not *that* big.
[6:18] <ebarch> heh, if you watch their documentary, they don't even start work on the episode a week before it airs
[6:19] <mkopack> Yeah exactly! That was insane...
[6:20] <mkopack> Lol. That "Sweaty McBoogerballs" episode is on now...
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[6:53] <beardface> Printing myself a raspberry pi case: #raspberry pi
[6:53] <beardface> my own design
[6:53] <beardface> http://3d.hawkorn.com
[6:55] <[deXter]> Nice
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[6:55] <[deXter]> beardface, That's really, really cool. :P
[6:56] <beardface> :) thanks
[6:56] <[deXter]> But but but.. do you even have a raspberry pi? :D
[6:56] <beardface> i'm selling them
[6:56] <beardface> http://rpicases.blogspot.com
[6:56] <beardface> no
[6:56] <beardface> but i made myself a prototype to test fit
[6:56] <beardface> look @ cam
[6:56] <[deXter]> Yeah
[6:56] <[deXter]> Nice!
[6:56] <[deXter]> Wait, you printed out the prototype itself?
[6:57] <beardface> yup
[6:57] <beardface> printed and painted
[6:57] <[deXter]> that's awesome
[6:57] <[deXter]> say.. are you the dude who's been selling these on eBay?
[6:57] <beardface> yes sir
[6:57] <[deXter]> Ah, nice!
[6:57] <[deXter]> I came across your ebay page a few days ago
[6:57] <beardface> yeah, its had lots of views
[6:57] <beardface> only sold about 8 of them
[6:57] <[deXter]> Every day I search for "raspberry pi" on eBay, in hopes that someone might be selling the actual device. :P
[6:58] <beardface> :) yeah, same here
[6:58] <beardface> the model helps with the pain of no raspberry pi
[6:58] <beardface> :)
[6:58] <[deXter]> nice
[6:58] <beardface> if this case fits my model, i'll probably sell it on ebay
[6:59] <beardface> but no way to know if it really fits till i get an actuall pi
[6:59] <[deXter]> Can you print a transparent case as well? I've seen one of those on eBay and it looks cool
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[7:00] <beardface> smi transparent
[7:00] <[deXter]> well they used acrylic and laser cutters so I'm not sure if your 3D printer can do i..
[7:00] <beardface> *semi
[7:00] <beardface> yeah, i have a friend w/a laser cutter
[7:00] <beardface> that would be the way to do full transparent
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[7:03] <beardface> print just finished
[7:03] <[deXter]> nice
[7:03] <[deXter]> do you have to wait till it dries out or something?
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[7:05] <beardface> wait for it to cool
[7:06] <beardface> takes a min or two, i'll pry it off in a second
[7:07] <[deXter]> ah
[7:10] <beardface> done
[7:10] <beardface> :)
[7:10] <[deXter]> I should get me one of those printers lol
[7:11] <beardface> they are pretty awesome
[7:11] <beardface> i designed that case tonight ont he couch for about an hour
[7:11] <beardface> then took an hour to print
[7:12] <techman2> doing some 3D printing?
[7:12] <beardface> yeah you missed printing the case
[7:12] <[deXter]> Would be nice if we could print out an actual Pi. :)
[7:12] <[deXter]> Maybe in the future..
[7:12] <beardface> lol
[7:12] <beardface> yeah
[7:13] <Flea86> [deXter]: That day will come..
[7:13] <Flea86> }:A
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[7:14] <Flea86> It'll even print the case *around* the freshly printed electronics too lol
[7:15] <techman2> that would be cool
[7:15] <techman2> downloadable, print at home computer.
[7:17] <beardface> yeah
[7:17] <beardface> next print starting in 1 min
[7:17] <Flea86> techman2: an organic AVR system might even be possible right now - just not in back shed yet! lol
[7:17] <beardface> 3d.hawkorn.com
[7:17] <beardface> printing some parts for friends printer
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[9:10] <techman2> anyone had any updated ETAs on orders?
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[9:15] <IT_Sean> Nope. Not I.
[9:16] <IT_Sean> Want me to go hunt down Liz and ask? I am in England this week, and i haven't got anything better to do. :p
[9:16] <techman2> lol please do
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[9:16] <techman2> I've just taken a look at Element 14 APAC and they are now quoting a 143 day lead time on Pis.
[9:16] <IT_Sean> EEP
[9:17] <techman2> that meant if someone ordered one today it would be expected to be in stock on 1st August.
[9:17] * IT_Sean is rather glad he hasn't ordered. That would drive him absolutily mad.
[9:17] <techman2> I ordered on launch day
[9:17] <techman2> no ETA on my order from them yet.
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[9:17] <IT_Sean> I overslept on launch day (to be fair, the launch was at 1am for me)
[9:17] <techman2> lead time went from 38 days to 66 and is now at 143.
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[9:18] <techman2> launch was 2pm for me.
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[9:18] <techman2> took me 2 hrs of trying to be able to order though.
[9:18] <techman2> servers were totally smashed.
[9:20] <techman2> I wonder if this is a result of trouble sourcing new RJ45 jacks...
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[9:24] <GabrialDestruir> Probably
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[9:26] <GabrialDestruir> Bah, Pi orders are already in august now?
[9:27] <GabrialDestruir> At this rate, I doubt that Element 14 will ever catch up.
[9:28] <Milos> What do you mean already in August?
[9:28] <Milos> You mean if I order now I won't get one until AUGUST?
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[9:28] <Milos> Damn.
[9:28] <GabrialDestruir> apparently
[9:28] <Milos> Lawl well glad that I ordered mine at 40 mins in.
[9:28] <GabrialDestruir> <+techman2> I've just taken a look at Element 14 APAC and they are now quoting a 143 day lead time on Pis.
[9:28] <Milos> Still backorder, but.
[9:28] <GabrialDestruir> <+techman2> that meant if someone ordered one today it would be expected to be in stock on 1st August.
[9:28] <Milos> hahahah
[9:28] <GabrialDestruir> I ordered mine 2 hours in
[9:29] <des2> By August people will have worked out all the kinks.
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[9:29] <Milos> I had to use a console browser, and even that was barely going.
[9:29] <HienoMies> Order now and get your board before summer!
[9:29] <Milos> haha
[9:29] <HienoMies> Summer 2013
[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir> Order now and you might get yours this year!
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir> Oops, too late xD
[9:31] <des2> And by August there might even be schematics
[9:31] <HienoMies> and clones
[9:31] <Milos> I've been talking about back orders too much. I interpreted "All Kingston USB Drives are backed by a five-year warranty." as "backordered for five years"
[9:31] <GabrialDestruir> I'm betting at this rate by the end of march we'll be well in backorders for next year
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne2> You guys aren't speculating hard enough.
[9:32] <HienoMies> xD
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> By the time they get all caught up?
[9:32] <des2> As long as the first batch of 10,000 are delivered before the end of March.
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> Pi will be outdated.
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[9:33] <HienoMies> soo, is it true that the 10k bach was lost in the mail?
[9:33] <GabrialDestruir> No, they arrived, with the wrong part
[9:33] <rm> they ship those back to china, to fix the ethernet jacks; when they come second time they will find something else is wrong
[9:33] <GabrialDestruir> so they have to desolder ever RJ45, and resolder the right ones
[9:33] <HienoMies> or was it me just dreaming
[9:33] <rm> will ship back again for fixing THAT
[9:33] <rm> don't expect any RPi this year
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[9:34] <rm> they just plan to ship the 10k back and forth until they finally come out right
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir> We all pre-ordered vaporware, what?
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[9:34] <HienoMies> not me
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[9:35] <HienoMies> kept throwing money at the screen but nothing happened. Maybe next year.
[9:35] <GabrialDestruir> TAKE MY MONEY!
[9:35] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> except... ya know, give me pi
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> ^_^
[9:36] <des2> Buy a $19 Arduino clone. They're lots of fun.
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> Arduino won't work for what I want xD
[9:36] <HienoMies> Allready have
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> Too stupid
[9:37] <GabrialDestruir> Too "dumb", not enough processing power, the lack of being a real computer, and all
[9:37] <des2> I find I'm too stupid for things I want to do.
[9:37] <HienoMies> me too
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[10:16] <HienoMies> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w&feature=fvsr
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[10:18] <HienoMies> lets be Pi specialists!
[10:18] <HienoMies> xD
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[10:22] <des2> My Brain Hurts
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[11:37] <mchou> so I really don't get this
[11:38] <mchou> given the long lead times, wouldn't it have been smarter to keep the no-ethernet RPi, sell it for $25, and make a whole other batch of version B?
[11:38] <mchou> incredible...
[11:39] <PaulFertser> mchou: are you saying that based on the assumption model A can be produced any faster?
[11:39] <mchou> I wouldn't doubt that the conctract manufacturer are also dragging thir feet to rework 10K boards
[11:39] <mchou> contract*
[11:40] <PaulFertser> What rework are you talking about?
[11:40] <mchou> PaulFertser: I'm saying it's better to get something in ppl's hands so as many of the bugs get ironed out
[11:40] <mchou> development in paralell
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[11:41] <mchou> PaulFertser: I have no idea if it's true, but someone said RPi won't ship till August
[11:41] <PaulFertser> mchou: i think it's almost the same board so getting the more capable model out first might make sense for more in-depth thourough testing.
[11:41] <mchou> due to the lead time on ethernet jacks
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[11:42] <PaulFertser> mchou: oh, where is this info from?
[11:42] <mchou> PaulFertser: so you'd rather wait till August?
[11:42] <Dagger2> [08:30:21] <+GabrialDestruir> <+techman2> that meant if someone ordered one today it would be expected to be in stock on 1st August.
[11:42] <Dagger2> Chinese whispers much?
[11:42] <rm> that's based on Farnell supposedly having updated the expected shipment time to 150+ days
[11:42] <rm> I didn't check
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[11:43] <PaulFertser> Yes, but where does the information about the ethernet receptables come from?
[11:44] <mchou> RPi web site
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[11:50] <PaulFertser> mchou: damn. But who could have predicted that...
[11:51] <mchou> PaulFertser: true. but if life hands you lemons, make lemonade
[11:51] <mchou> I'm sure plenty of ppl would have been interested in a no-ethernet version
[11:51] <mchou> especially in light of the long lead times
[11:52] <mchou> I'm starting to think RPi is obsolete anyways by the time it ships
[11:53] <PaulFertser> damn factory :/
[11:53] <mchou> I'm not sure it's a factory error
[11:53] <mchou> someone didn't double check the BOM
[11:54] <PaulFertser> mchou: but the rework is trivial for the factory and the posts claims that it imposes little additional delay, not several months.
[11:54] <mchou> pfft
[11:54] <mchou> not according to Farnell
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[11:56] <mchou> PaulFertser: http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2012/03/10/first-impressions-of-polaroids-new-4-3-android-pmp/
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[11:56] <mchou> PaulFertser: be more interested in hacking that :)
[11:56] <mchou> on the market
[11:56] <Henchman21> nope
[11:56] <mchou> not vaporware
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[12:00] <Henchman21> bye bye
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[12:00] <Henchman21> have fun
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[12:00] <Henchman21> we will miss you
[12:00] <Henchman21> :P
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[12:04] <Burninate_> So has anyone gotten their delivery in hand yet?
[12:04] <mchou> lol
[12:04] <mchou> Burninate_: too bad you just joined
[12:05] <mchou> Burninate_: word is don't be expecting deliveries any time soon
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[12:06] <Burninate_> I had heard that a *few* (10k?) people had shipper tracking info with delivery date on Saturday
[12:06] <mchou> Burninate_: at this rate you'd be better off buying a roku off the shelf and call it a day
[12:07] <PaulFertser> mchou: it's only farnell claiming huge delay, so i do not think it's necessarily so in reality.
[12:07] <Burninate_> It sounded like they were clear about a 10k initial run, with further production based on interest
[12:07] <Burninate_> and that this 10k run was completely sold out
[12:08] <mchou> Burninate_: it's clear you haven't hard the latest news
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[12:08] <Burninate_> nope
[12:08] <Burninate_> link me?
[12:08] <mchou> 10K needs to be reworked
[12:08] <mchou> rpi.org
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[12:11] <Burninate_> So it has come to this.
[12:11] <mchou> PaulFertser: considering Farnell are sourcing the replacement jacks....
[12:11] <Burninate_> What's a "magnetic" ethernet jack?
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[12:12] <PaulFertser> Burninate_: just the transformer is built-in instead of using an external one.
[12:12] <Burninate_> k
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[12:13] <Burninate_> So this was detected after they announced shipping of the first tranche
[12:13] <PaulFertser> mchou: they probably want to play safe and thus are providing you with the most pessimistic estimate.
[12:14] <Burninate_> sounds like another week to wait I take it?
[12:14] <Burninate_> give or take
[12:14] <mchou> I'll eat my shorts if it only takes another week
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[12:16] <des2> Liz did post they should be shipped to people this week
[12:17] <mchou> we'll see
[12:17] <Burninate_> What % of people seem to be aiming for Raspberry Media Center versus Ultracheap Desktop PC versus Arduino Ultra use-cases?
[12:18] <mchou> RPi as a media center probably isn't going to be all that viable due to lack of codec licensines
[12:19] <mchou> licenses*
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne2> nothing stopping people from using the supported formats only.
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne2> though some believe mpeg2 will be fine with just the cpu.
[12:19] <Burninate_> Why are codec licenses required?
[12:19] <mchou> sigh
[12:19] <PaulFertser> Fucking patents
[12:19] <mchou> ShiftPlusOne2: keep dreaming
[12:20] <PaulFertser> Probably it would be possible to source the needed codecs from somewhere else though.
[12:20] <mchou> PaulFertser: I doubt it. someone needs to negotiate with mpeg2-la
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[12:20] <mchou> ummg, mpeg-la
[12:20] <h0llywood1> Hi all
[12:20] <Burninate_> Is this a hardware decoder issue?
[12:21] <des2> yes
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne2> PaulFertser, the issue isn't the codec itself... we play all sorts of media without even thinking about the licenses... like mp3. The issue is hardware acceleration.
[12:21] <Burninate_> Is a programmed hardware decoder a viable option?
[12:22] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/592
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> not in the foreseeable future
[12:22] <h0llywood1> Curiosity, what are you talking about?
[12:22] <PaulFertser> mchou: by "sourcing" i meant plain copying from some product that has them installed.
[12:22] <mchou> PaulFertser: forget it
[12:22] <PaulFertser> ShiftPlusOne2: i know, by codecs i meant some blobs that make the "media accelerator" part of the SoC to decode those.
[12:22] <mchou> PaulFertser: someone might be able to hack, but I'm not holding my brath
[12:22] <Burninate_> I'm saying that things like the h.264 codec are patent protected, which doesn't stop software distribution, only reputable hardware manufacturers
[12:23] <mchou> breath*
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[12:23] <PaulFertser> mchou: why, is there anything known about this already?
[12:23] <Burninate_> So if you distributed the algorithm as software code, to be written to an FPGA or something
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> PaulFertser, they are written for specific hardware... the raspberry pi blob is specific to raspberry pi. Correct me if I am wrong. Also there is security in place preventing modified blobs from running.
[12:23] <mchou> PaulFertser: yup. go try using the Roku blob and see how far you get
[12:23] <Burninate_> just checking if it's viable
[12:23] <PaulFertser> ShiftPlusOne2: specific hardware being that bcmXXXX chip i think.
[12:24] <PaulFertser> I'd be grateful if somebody provided me with more info about possible "security in place" on those.
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that the blob is actually specific to raspberry pi, not just the bcm chip.
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> PaulFertser, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_trust
[12:25] <PaulFertser> ShiftPlusOne2: it doesn't mean the particular chip in RPi implements that.
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[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne2> PaulFertser, I am not just making stuff up, Eben said it.
[12:26] <PaulFertser> ShiftPlusOne2: ok, i see. Would be interesting to know more details, but meh...
[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne2> "The device has support for secure (signed, encrypted) GPU boot code, with keys burnt into OTP at manufacture. We"ll be implementing this feature in the first devices, but are unlikely to extend the chain of trust into ARM-land until a later firmware revision, when we understand customer requirements a little better."
[12:29] <Pulser> disappointing tbh... this sounds like any regular android device tbh
[12:29] <PaulFertser> Will GPU be probably still usable for OpenCL or something like that?
[12:29] <PaulFertser> That would probably make it possible for some codecs to work.
[12:30] <des2> Please see this post: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/592
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne2> I think they had plans for OpenCL support, but that seems to have been scrapped.
[12:30] <des2> The issue is hardware acceleration and licenses.
[12:30] <Burninate_> are there dodgy hardware manufacturers that could build a shield for media decoding?
[12:31] <Burninate_> like, say, the R4 chip for Gameboy DS
[12:31] <Simon-> that doesn't say anything about hardware encoding acceleration :/
[12:31] <mchou> Burninate_: why would they need to?
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne2> Pulser, much more open than any comparable android device. Other than the license issues, you're not restricted in any practical sense.
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[12:31] <Burninate_> because licenses have not been sought for these patents by the Rpi makers
[12:31] <mchou> Burninate_: they'd jus pay licensing and get it done cheaper than implementing work-arounds
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[12:32] <des2> "Firstly, libraries. Any distribution will need to supply a set of closed source libraries that give access to the GPU acceleration features."
[12:33] <des2> They passed on one of the licenses that cost about $2 in quantity
[12:33] <mchou> des2: yeah, then you'd have to tweak the apps to use said libs...."
[12:33] <Burninate_> It makes a lot of sense for Rpi to standardize on a base unit
[12:33] <Burninate_> $2 is a decent amount of money
[12:33] <PaulFertser> des2: that says nothing about chain of trust if i read it correctly.
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne2> tweak apps? Why? the framebuffer is fairly standard for SDL and there's OpenGL for acceleration. Sound should be pretty standard as well. So what needs to be tweaked?
[12:34] <des2> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/01/raspberry-pi-codecs-and-graphicsvideo-api/
[12:34] <des2> Right that just discusses the issue.
[12:35] <des2> Broadcom BCM2835 Videocore GPU can hardware decode H264, MPEG1/2/4, VC1 (used in WMV), AVS and MJPG at 1080p30. It can also decode VP6, VP7, VP8, RV, Theora, WMV9 at DVD resolutions with vector acceleration.
[12:35] <des2> Read more: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/01/raspberry-pi-codecs-and-graphicsvideo-api/#ixzz1oo6YC5hH
[12:35] <des2> However, since Raspberry Pi board model B must not exceed 35 USD, and licensed codecs can be expensive, the Raspberry Pi will only support the following (licensed) codecs:
[12:35] <des2> MPEG4
[12:35] <des2> h.264
[12:35] <des2> Read more: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/01/raspberry-pi-codecs-and-graphicsvideo-api/#ixzz1oo6cb6FN
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[12:35] <Pulser> ShiftPlusOne2, true, I'm just not a fan of seeing any kind of signed bootcode on a device
[12:36] <mchou> ShiftPlusOne2: that like saying VDPAU is compatible with VAAPI
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[12:36] <mchou> ShiftPlusOne2: makes no sense what-so-ever
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[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne2> Pulser, neither, but that's just the state of the market right now.
[12:37] <mjr> tweaking may be necessary for eg. switching from GLX to EGL, though somebody here IIRC wrote some simpler wrapper layer for that
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[12:37] <mjr> also yeah, OpenMAX instead of the more usual acceleration apis in linuxland
[12:37] <Pulser> yep, it's a shame... I don't really understand the motivation for it on a device like this, but I guess the bean-counters just insist on seeing as much protection as possible
[12:38] <Pulser> to stop someone finding a good use for the device that they cannot profit from
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[12:38] <slaeshjag> mjr: That's just an minor inconvenience compared to converting a big app using glBegin...glEnd x]
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> Pulser, I think it's more about preventing chinese clones.
[12:38] <mchou> Pulser: my guess is Roku pushed on broadcom. Imagine the cannibalization
[12:39] <mchou> Roku will be dead in a week if RPi got all the codecs
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne2> slaeshjag, people still use glBegin? I would've hoped people have switched to VBOs =/
[12:39] <Dagger2> eh, it's Broadcom. they don't need any pushing on to lock things down
[12:40] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne2: There's a scary amount of software out there using it, and newbies to game dev are still introduced with it
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> slaeshjag, at least that's the impression I got when I was trying to learn OpenGL... the people in #opengl didn't take kindly to all the beginner tutorials talking about glbegin.
[12:41] <mjr> Dagger2, very true :I
[12:41] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne2: Considering the most popular beginners OpenGL tutorial seems to be NeHe... x]
[12:41] <Burninate_> So are we expecting this antifeature to be cracked once people have hands on hardware?
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[12:42] <slaeshjag> Burninate_: One can only hope.
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> Though I think starting with glBegin/glEnd, then going onto vertex arrays and then VBOs is probably the easiest way to understand it... I didn't understand VBOs until I went through the basics.
[12:42] <mjr> I doubt it'll be cracked.
[12:42] <Henchman21> RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
[12:42] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne2: The thing is, when newbies got things drawing on screen like they want it, they tend to move on with other things..
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne2> slaeshjag, true. I was very happy when I got my square on the screen, lol.
[12:43] <des2> No love lost between the open source community and Broadcom.
[12:43] * Burninate_ would welcome answers other than the emotions 'hope' and 'doubt'
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[12:43] <slaeshjag> ShiftPlusOne2: I've had a lot of fun converting Warzone 2100 to GL|ES, and DEFCON was even worse
[12:44] <des2> It's locked down pretty hard Burninate
[12:44] <mchou> des2: sur BCM locks things down, but you can hardly blame them this time for mpeg
[12:44] <mchou> sure*
[12:44] <Burninate_> ahh, okay, thanks
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne2> Burninate_, we don't know, it's not looking likely, but people weight the probability differently. But the definitive true answer is we don't know.
[12:44] <mjr> Burninate_, so you would like answers that are not grounded in reality, then?
[12:44] <Pulser> ShiftPlusOne2, you are probably right RE clones from the far east
[12:44] <mjr> also "doubt" is not an emotion
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[12:45] <mjr> it's an expression of an estimate of low probability
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[12:45] <Pulser> I just hope that the time spent on implementing these "security features" like secure boot will not have affected the rest of the product, given if people are motivated, it WILL be broken
[12:45] <slaeshjag> I think we should have higher hopes on the chinese knock-offs that should be popping up soon
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[12:46] <des2> I see more Chinese work-alikes for around $50.
[12:46] <Burninate_> Just trying to sift out informed idle speculation from uninformed idle speculation, I don't have enough knowledge in this area to know which is which
[12:46] <des2> USing one of the Chinese processors.
[12:46] <des2> Maybe with a little more memory.
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[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne2> are there any open, comparable chinese chips (including a GPU)? I don't think so.
[12:47] <mchou> Pulser: if the price difference between "full featured" and crippleware is only a few $, nobody is likely to spend the effort cracking it
[12:47] <Pulser> true... the question arises if there's no choice of getting the encrypted bootloader or whatever
[12:47] <Pulser> I mean, I know some of the guys who have exploited all the HTC protection they use on devices
[12:47] <Henchman21> RABBLE
[12:47] <Pulser> they do it "for the challenge", because someone doesn't want them to be able to
[12:47] <Henchman21> no
[12:47] <Pulser> and so they can root. since there's no need to "root", you may well be right
[12:47] <mjr> You'd have to reverse-engineer the GPU command set and find a suitable security hole for inserting arbitrary commands, and acquire from somewhere the code for the other codecs or port the codec code yourself. None of it is very easy.
[12:48] <Henchman21> htc alowed people to unlock their bootloaders
[12:48] <des2> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003U7MSLE/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_g147_i1
[12:48] <des2> Interesting devices you can get in the $40-$50 range
[12:48] <Henchman21> im almost certian no one "hacked" it
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne2> Comparing roku's blobs and the pi's blobs should be fairly informative
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[12:49] <Pulser> Henchman21, they did actually...
[12:49] <Pulser> only some devices have unlocked bootloaders
[12:49] <Pulser> the ones that never got that offered are mostly hacked now
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[12:49] <Burninate_> The devices are only really as interesting as the community
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[12:50] <Burninate_> rpi has hype, and so it will sell lots of units, and so it will have interesting code to run
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne2> Burninate_, there's no shortage of technologically capable community interest in the raspberry pi.
[12:50] <Pulser> Burninate_, exactly. I sense the pi is gonna be good
[12:50] <Pulser> that's why I ordered one!
[12:51] <HienoMies> Good. U will get it before summer
[12:51] <Burninate_> A technically more sophisticated product for half the price, but without any hype, is useless
[12:51] <HienoMies> Summer 2013
[12:51] <Ticho> but! it will have the right kind of ethernet connector
[12:51] <BCMM> Burninate_: yeah, this feels like a critical mass
[12:51] <mchou> Burninate_: what kind of crap you sprouting?
[12:52] <HienoMies> criticall mass turned into black hole and there have all rpi's gone
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne2> Burninate_, well no, there's a sense of satisfaction in getting things done yourself rather than picking up the scraps from the community. For example, I have no motivation to do certain things, because I know there are 1000s of people who'll get it done sooner and better.
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[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne2> Burninate_, btw, it's fairly safe to ignore mchou, he's our token troll. =)
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[12:54] <HienoMies> it's hard to get good trolls to channels these days
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[12:55] <mchou> ShiftPlusOne: considering you're one driving the mob mentality, I'll take your statement as a compliment
[12:55] <alex-> Any way to install SATA and 1 gbps network adapter?
[12:55] <CuriosTiger> HienoMies: Good problem to have :P
[12:55] <des2> mchou seems knowledgeable.
[12:55] <CuriosTiger> mchou seems five letters long.
[12:55] <mjr> alex-, only through the single USB2, subject to its bandwidth limitations
[12:55] <alex-> hmm
[12:55] <Henchman21> RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
[12:55] <alex-> usb2 isn't fast enough
[12:56] * mchou can't type eorth a crap though :)
[12:56] <des2> Buy a pogoplug with 1 gig ethernet.
[12:56] <njh> Are there going to be official RPi expansion boards?
[12:56] <Burninate_> ShiftPlusOne2: That sense of satisfaction seems egotistical to me - Having to implement things afresh means you don't get to do things that are objectively, ground-breakingly awesome. We stand on the shoulders of giants, and all that jazz
[12:56] <alex-> pogoplug?
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[12:56] <alex-> des2: what's that?
[12:56] <CuriosTiger> can the ARM processor in the Pi even handle a gigabit of throughput?
[12:56] <CuriosTiger> It's not exactly a core i7
[12:56] <mchou> sigh
[12:56] <alex-> Hmm
[12:56] <Henchman21> do you get commision for refering pogoplug and roku and cubox?
[12:56] <Ben64> don't really need 125MB/s on pi anyway
[12:57] <mchou> you dont need an i& for gbE
[12:57] <mjr> alex-, indeed, if you want a fileserver or something, the pi isn't for you
[12:57] <mchou> i&*
[12:57] <alex-> I want to setup a NAS box
[12:57] <mchou> i7*
[12:57] <Henchman21> nslu2
[12:57] <CuriosTiger> mchou: No, but you need a somewhat speedy processor.
[12:57] <Henchman21> RABBLE!
[12:57] <alex-> But I don't know what specifications, and I need something that uses less energy
[12:57] <des2> Pogoplug is an arm based device that has several usb ports and ethernet
[12:57] <Ben64> just get a NAS box?
[12:57] <des2> ANd sells for < $30 frequently
[12:57] <HienoMies> eBay full of <50USD NAS boxes
[12:57] <alex-> des2: where?
[12:58] <alex-> Ben64: On those NAS boxes, you can't install OMV
[12:58] <Ben64> omv?
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Burninate_, I know, I am just being honest. Doing what has been done before doesn't have as much satisfaction as doing something new.
[12:58] <mchou> CuriosTiger: then tell me how a consumer gbE router works w/o a beefy processor
[12:58] <HienoMies> without disc
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[12:58] <alex-> Ben64: #openmediavault
[12:59] <timmythegreat> alex-, care to describe what that is?
[12:59] <des2> http://www.jr.com/pogoplug/pe/PGG_POGOP21/
[12:59] <Burninate_> ShiftPlusOne: I don't mean to attack or anything. Teaching yourself and building simple, beautiful things without help are their own kind of aesthetic. I just don't find myself drawn to it as much.
[12:59] <des2> Jr.com had one for $20 a few weeks ago.
[13:00] <alex-> timmythegreat: NAS OS
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[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Burninate_, yeah, I understand.
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[13:00] <des2> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms
[13:00] <Henchman21> http://creative-mouldings.co.uk/images/SkyHi_Fist_.jpg
[13:00] <Ben64> alex-: looks silly
[13:01] <alex-> Ben64: what do you mean?
[13:01] <Ben64> it needs a computer
[13:01] <Ben64> so why not just use a computer
[13:02] <Henchman21> that would be too easy
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[13:03] <alex-> Ben64: high costs of buying the hardware
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[13:03] <Ben64> but you already have the computer
[13:03] <Ben64> just put the drives into it
[13:03] <Henchman21> for a fileserver?
[13:03] <alex-> I have a computer, yes
[13:03] <Henchman21> get your dad's old p2 out of the closet
[13:03] <alex-> But this one uses much energy
[13:04] <alex-> And can't fit more drives in it
[13:04] <alex-> Henchman21: uses too much electricity
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[13:04] <Ben64> its using energy right now
[13:04] <Henchman21> after you get tom cruise to open the door to the closet
[13:04] <Ben64> could be a file server at the same time
[13:04] <Henchman21> and a caching proxy
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[13:05] <alex-> Ben64: yes, but what about at night?
[13:05] <alex-> When those leds on my system are turned on I can't sleep
[13:05] <mchou> alex-: what about it?
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[13:05] <HienoMies> use black tape
[13:05] <mchou> alex-: ever heard of duct tape?
[13:05] <alex-> mchou: nah, you can't cover all those leds off
[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> alex-, or just unplug the leds.
[13:06] <alex-> And I only have space for another harddisk
[13:06] <Henchman21> wire cutters
[13:06] <alex-> 2 harddisks fit into my system
[13:06] <Ben64> can always fit more hard drives
[13:06] <mchou> alex-: seiously, what processor is in this said computer?
[13:06] <alex-> nope
[13:06] <alex-> Only 2 drive bays
[13:06] <alex-> mchou: AMD A8-3800
[13:07] <Ben64> is it toaster sized
[13:07] * ShiftPlusOne looks at the hard drive hanging out of the side of the computer >.>
[13:07] <mchou> alex-: umm, then chances are it won't use more electricity than RPi
[13:07] <Ben64> i used to have a SCSI cable running out of my case and into 7 drives
[13:07] <mchou> alex-: hard as it might be for you to believe....
[13:07] <alex-> mchou: It uses 50 watt idle
[13:07] <mchou> because a modern processor at idle has very low energy profile
[13:08] <des2> It's trying to get away ShiftPlusOne! Stop it!!
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[13:08] <Ticho> or get in
[13:08] <alex-> And I'm not sure I can sleep with the noise of my pc
[13:08] <Ben64> why do you need it to be on when you're asleep
[13:08] <alex-> downloads
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> ear plugs!
[13:08] <mchou> alex-: you made sure all the cpu throttling/power management goodies are on?
[13:08] <Ben64> then put it in another room
[13:09] <alex-> mchou: don't have them
[13:09] <alex-> Ben64: Then I can't use my computer anymore at the day
[13:09] <mchou> alex-: what?
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> after a while the hub of the computer becomes like white noise which helps you sleep anyway =)
[13:09] <Ben64> mchou: a computer can't get down to 3.5W
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> *hum
[13:09] <mchou> alex-: how is that possible?
[13:09] <alex-> mchou: windows
[13:09] <mchou> Ben64: Rpi with one disk drive >2.5W
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[13:09] <mchou> 3.5W*
[13:10] <alex-> Still better than 50 watt
[13:10] <alex-> And led's
[13:10] <alex-> and noise
[13:10] <mchou> alex-: windows has plenty of power management
[13:10] <Ben64> can unplug LEDs, seriously
[13:10] <Ben64> its super simple
[13:10] <des2> Leds are easy to get rid of.
[13:10] <des2> Noise is isn't bad with a decent case and low speed fans.
[13:10] <mchou> my dockstar with 2 drives eun 9W
[13:11] <mchou> run*
[13:11] <Ben64> I like computer noise myself
[13:11] <alex-> Ben64: and I have a power switch which has lights
[13:11] <alex-> and adapters that have lights
[13:11] <alex-> And I can't setup every service I need on windows
[13:11] <des2> Black electrical tape is your friend.
[13:11] <ShiftPlusOne> going around in circles now, heh
[13:11] <alex-> I don't want my computer to be turned on at night
[13:12] <Ben64> ShiftPlusOne: yep
[13:12] <mchou> I'm not saying it's right for everybody, but zfs is da bomb anyways
[13:12] <mchou> if you run nas you ought to consider it
[13:12] <des2> I'm very happy with my 6TB ZFS file server,.
[13:12] <alex-> mchou: don't have the hardware to run it
[13:13] <des2> The only think I'm really unhappy with is Oracle bought sun.
[13:13] <mchou> alex-: you amd will run it fine :)
[13:13] <mchou> your*
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[13:13] <mchou> alex-: just add ram :)
[13:13] <des2> I'm using a $20 Intel motherboard and a $30 Intel chip and 2 GB DDR2
[13:14] <mchou> des2: what's idle pwer draw at the wall?
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[13:14] <des2> 73 watts.
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[13:14] <mchou> des2: a tad high :)
[13:14] <Ben64> not really
[13:14] <des2> 6 1.5 GB WD green drives.
[13:15] <mchou> Ben64: my P4 zfs at idle draws 47W
[13:15] <Ben64> you said 9W before
[13:15] <mchou> no, that was dockstar
[13:15] <Dagger2> you don't even *need* that much RAM for ZFS either. I was running it on a 667 MHz celeron with half a gigabyte of RAM
[13:16] <mchou> Ben64: dockstar != P4
[13:16] <Ben64> i cant keep up with your crap
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[13:16] <mchou> and there's no way dockstar will run zfs competently
[13:16] <Dagger2> the Celeron was the biggest issue... since I was using ZFS-FUSE, which is slow anyway, and it competed for CPU with Samba; I was getting about 6 MB/s
[13:17] <mchou> Dagger2: just go full bore freebsd
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[13:18] <neouf_> n
[13:18] <des2> Is ZFS on freebad trustable ?
[13:18] <mchou> freebad?
[13:18] <des2> oops yes.
[13:19] <mchou> more trustworth than xfs-fuse on linux
[13:19] <Dagger2> mchou: meh, it's also my firewall/router box. getting my head around FreeBSD for everything would be somewhat involved
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[13:19] <mchou> Dagger2: pfsense and zfs
[13:20] <mchou> perfect combo
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[13:34] <Kushan> Wow
[13:34] <Kushan> it's quiet in here
[13:34] <Kushan> ....that never happens
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[13:35] <HienoMies> Pizza. What could be better than that?
[13:35] <HienoMies> 2 pizzas!
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[13:35] <des2> 2 Pizza PIs ?
[13:35] <piless> HienoMies: Pizza & chips > pizza
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[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
[13:37] <Henchman21> everyone is refueling for next rabble
[13:37] <Henchman21> RABBLE!!
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[13:37] <piless> Henchman21: When's the eta for that?
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually you need something to trigger a good rabble.
[13:38] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: Fireworks?
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[13:38] <Henchman21> WINDOWS SUX!
[13:38] <piless> Henchman21: Fuck you
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[13:39] <Henchman21> so i've been tracking my cat right...
[13:39] <piless> Henchman21: It would really hurt if you discovered your cat spent more time with the neighbours
[13:40] <Henchman21> thinking of making a youtube video of his comulative tracks and still pics to the sound of "beachboys-i get around"
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[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[13:40] <piless> Henchman21: Just stick it on google maps
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> somehow I see a cat covered with duct tape to hold a gps tracker =/
[13:41] <Henchman21> charging up the gps logger for another run
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and a massive battery
[13:41] <Henchman21> nah the whole thing is mm's difference to a matchbox
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> nice, does it take a measurement every x minutes and then go to sleep?
[13:42] <Henchman21> maybe if it was built with an arduino it'd be huge
[13:42] <Henchman21> 30sec i cant seem to change that
[13:42] <alex-> mchou: both slots are filled
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, how big is the battery and how long does it last?
[13:42] <Henchman21> has a vibration sensor i think wakes it up more often and sleeps
[13:42] <Henchman21> battery is builtin
[13:43] <Henchman21> says 11-12hrs
[13:43] <piless> Henchman21: Be careful he doesn't go too high though, most consumer gps units stop working 11 miles up
[13:43] <alex-> des2: 50 dollar for that hardware?
[13:43] <Henchman21> but i've seen him come home ~16 hours later and its still blinking (guess that vibration sensor put it to sleep
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the unit called?
[13:44] <Henchman21> yup
[13:44] <Henchman21> cheapo $50 "i-Blue 860E Mini GPS Data Logger Receiver"
[13:44] <Henchman21> http://www.semsons.com/i86migpsdalo.html
[13:44] <Henchman21> still on its "weekly special sale"
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[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Thanks
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[13:46] <Henchman21> uses an mtk chip so "mtkbabel" and "bt747" software downloads/erases the data just fine
[13:46] <Henchman21> i had no idea when i got it
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[13:47] <Henchman21> was scrambling to find open software to control/read it
[13:47] <Henchman21> as it was in the mail
[13:47] <piless> open software is so overrated
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[13:47] <Henchman21> only had it for like a week sofar
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[13:48] <HienoMies> Say no to drugs! http://imgur.com/gallery/inIr7
[13:48] <Vazde> ...
[13:48] <piless> HienoMies: If a stranger offers you drugs say thank you, because drugs are expensive
[13:48] <HienoMies> u got some point there
[13:49] <fakker> didn't you guys do Business at school?
[13:49] <fakker> resell.
[13:49] <fakker> $$$
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[13:49] <piless> fakker: Totally not worth.
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[14:03] <bolosaur> so
[14:03] <bolosaur> has the pi started shipping yet
[14:06] <des2> We don't even know if they've shipped out of China yet.
[14:09] <rm> We don't even know if they've shipped back TO China yet.
[14:09] <des2> We know that they "should ship out to people" this week but we have no idea where they really are.
[14:13] <piless> I don't think they ever existed
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[14:16] <weasel> piless: the pis are the second largest hoax after nasa's moon missions?
[14:16] <piless> weasel: Less of a hoax, and more of a scam
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[14:20] <HienoMies> they will be shipped!
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[14:20] <Henchman21> newest version of the nigerian 419
[14:21] <HienoMies> before summer
[14:21] <HienoMies> 2013
[14:21] <_av500_> shipped yes, but will the ship arrive?
[14:21] <_av500_> theres pirates etc...
[14:22] <des2> They go by air.
[14:22] <HienoMies> omg, never thought of that. Ebeeeeeeeen!
[14:22] <_av500_> airships?
[14:22] <des2> No aitplanes.
[14:22] <des2> If it was an airship it would catch fire right at landing.
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[14:28] <HienoMies> http://imgur.com/gallery/PbcXv
[14:28] <HienoMies> is it Liz running there?
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[14:35] <piless> the raspberry pi doesn't exist, it never did.
[14:35] <piless> the foundation is just a scam, to launder money through off-shore bank accounts
[14:35] <piless> these massive numbers of interest? Faked.
[14:35] <des2> They're doing it wrong.
[14:36] <bolosaur> ok
[14:36] <des2> They needed to accept orders at their own website.
[14:36] <des2> And then take off with the cash for 100,000 preorders.
[14:36] <piless> In reality there's only a couple hundred consumers even aware of it
[14:36] <piless> des2: don't trust the numbers
[14:37] <HienoMies> took the money and went to the pub
[14:37] <HienoMies> grrrr
[14:37] <HienoMies> someone call the police
[14:38] <piless> HienoMies: They never went to the pub, that was part of the public image the mastermind liz tried to give off
[14:38] <HienoMies> oh
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[14:42] <HienoMies> I think I'm gonna cry
[14:42] <ironzorg> don't
[14:42] <ironzorg> that would make me cry too
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[14:43] <HienoMies> I watch Monty Python, maybe it will cheer me up
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[14:47] <linagee> piless: you too can feed a hungry broadcom exec for the low low price of $35
[14:48] <piless> linagee: plus local taxes and post/packaging
[14:48] <HienoMies> we r not worthy
[14:48] <linagee> piless: $50 taxes/shipping.
[14:48] <wcchandler> you guys are joking, right? i'm very gullible on the internets
[14:49] <linagee> wcchandler: everyone is just flustered that its taking so long. :)
[14:49] <piless> wcchandler: the internet is serious business
[14:49] <wcchandler> :)
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[14:49] <HienoMies> internet, sure is something to trust
[14:49] <linagee> raspberry pi foundation should open their open apple store so they can have riots in line
[14:50] <des2> wcchandle for $50 I can sell you guaranteed information on how to protect yourself completely from Internet scams.
[14:50] <linagee> des2: what payment methods do you accept? I only have monopoly money
[14:50] <HienoMies> sounds like legit deal to me
[14:51] <piless> des2: do you use amazon payments?
[14:51] <des2> Just pass Go and get $200 linagee.
[14:51] <des2> I use scamazon payments.
[14:52] <linagee> is anyone attempting to sell vaporware pi boards on ebay yet?
[14:52] <HienoMies> free bacon-pizza for first 100 customers?
[14:52] <des2> THose auctions have been cancelled.
[14:52] <des2> There were a few.
[14:52] <piless> linagee: only legitimate fag packet cases
[14:52] <linagee> cigarette packet?
[14:53] <piless> linagee: Yeah
[14:53] <piless> linagee: http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/03/01/custom_fag_pack.png
[14:54] <des2> You can buy beardfaces printed plastic model PI
[14:54] <des2> To caress until you get a real one.
[14:55] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-PCB-Model-Plastic-to-Scale-Painted-/180835780719?pt=Art_Sculpture&hash=item2a1aa7086f
[14:56] <piless> des2: Got any hand-carved wood ones?
[14:56] <des2> I'm working on a diamond one bit it's slow going.
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[14:58] <piless> des2: cubic zirconia might be cheaper
[14:58] <des2> Please, no fake fake PI.
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[15:00] <piless> des2: Is he actually allowed to call it a pcb in the auction title?
[15:02] <HienoMies> why not?
[15:02] <des2> He called it a "PCB model"
[15:02] <HienoMies> could be even genuine PCB model
[15:02] <piless> He should have gone with imitation pcb model
[15:03] <piless> or 'bit of plastic shaped like a raspberry pi'
[15:03] <HienoMies> it would sell anyway
[15:04] <HienoMies> but....
[15:04] <HienoMies> could Chinese make it even cheaper?
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[15:04] <HienoMies> must ask DealExtreme!
[15:04] <piless> Do dealextreme make any of their own stuff?
[15:05] <HienoMies> why would they
[15:05] <des2> I don't think they do.
[15:05] <des2> I seem to be able to find anything they have elsewhere.
[15:05] <des2> Usually cheaper on ebay.
[15:06] <piless> Dealextreme is mostly the same quality you'd expect from the tiny electronics shelf in a poundland
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[15:12] <HienoMies> I'm starting to think that it really is a scam
[15:14] <des2> S'ok if it is RS or Farnell will return your money.
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[15:15] <HienoMies> in the videos, everyone is handling Pi like it would be some old ISA SCSI card.
[15:15] <HienoMies> It's good that RS and Farnell are involved in this
[15:15] <piless> HienoMies: Because it's cgi
[15:17] <Tachyon> there is no scam -.o
[15:17] <Tachyon> there's just limited supply and massive demand
[15:19] <piless> Ugh, another sap who has bought into the propaganda.
[15:19] <des2> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand?newsfeed=true
[15:20] <piofcube> cool feature from the Guardian... newsfeed=true... you can select the true news from the fake ;-)
[15:21] <piless> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand?is_it_a_scam=yes
[15:22] <piofcube> lol
[15:22] <des2> lol
[15:22] <Axman6> geez, a bunch of people who've never mass manufactured anything in their life come together to make something for the good of everyone, and actually do a damn good job doing so, and people bitch that's all a scam? why can't people just grow up?
[15:22] <HienoMies> gonna cry, gonna cry!
[15:22] <piless> wow
[15:22] <Axman6> (also, some of that may not be true, but the point still stands)
[15:23] <Henchman21> RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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[15:23] <piless> Axman6: You have no idea whether I've mass manufactured anything or not. Please don't assume either way.
[15:23] <Axman6> ...
[15:24] <des2> piless was behind the pet cow dung fad.
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, I'll have you know piless is a leading expert on mass manufacturing and scam detection here.
[15:24] <Axman6> you're getting annoyed at me for sticking up for you?
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[15:24] <piless> Exactly
[15:24] <Axman6> ... ooookkk then
[15:24] <piless> Axman6: I thought I was the one bitching that it's a scam
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, ....(he's not being serious)....
[15:25] <Axman6> no..., i've just seen a lot of it on here the last few days
[15:25] <piless> Axman6: I think that was all me, under various aliases and proxies.
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> A rant I wrote a while back on why hardware is not as easy as software.
[15:25] <piless> I WANT AN OPEN SOURCE BIOS PLEASE
[15:26] <Axman6> how open was openfirmware?
[15:26] <des2> I want a pony.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> (the above specifically addresses the case of phone class devices)
[15:26] <piless> des2: A pony will only shit all over your living room
[15:27] <piofcube> I little humor is okay but I can see how it might look to some of the new chatters in here... Especially as this is a channel frequented by volunteer moderators/admins of the official boards.
[15:27] <piless> piofcube: It says unofficial right at the top.
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[15:29] <piless> It is recommended to wear an anti-static wristband when handling an unprotected pcb like the raspberry pi?
[15:29] <des2> yes
[15:29] <des2> But the PI does have some protection.
[15:29] <ShiftPlusOne> once PCBs are populated, they're not as susceptible to static shock as individual components
[15:30] <piless> des2: Oh well, I'm lazy. I'll just risk it.
[15:30] <piofcube> piless: Would that stop someone from using what's said in here? Also, the chat logs available online do not make that distinction... Considering how "good" all the reporting on the Pi has been, I'm sure a "reporter" won't just copy-n-paste from those logs at some point in time.
[15:30] <piless> piofcube: To be honest, that would be hilarious.
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like news.com.au maybe, but I don't think their 'technology reporter' knows what IRC is.
[15:31] <piofcube> I can see it now... "Raspberry Pi officials announce it was all just a scam"
[15:31] <piless> Has anyone actually seen a photo of the board yet?
[15:31] <piless> All the photos are of the betas
[15:32] <piless> It's so obviously a scam
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> what about the Guardian video? isn't that a final board?
[15:32] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: The final board doesn't have the GPIO pins
[15:32] <Axman6> so is -dev an official channel?
[15:32] <Axman6> eh? no GPIO?
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what you mean by official
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, there's GPIO, just no GPIO header... prevents noobs trying to hook things up directly without knowing what they're doing.
[15:33] <piless> Axman6: They're still there, you just have to solder the pins back on
[15:33] <des2> They are leaving the GPIO connector off the final boards
[15:33] <Axman6> ah, that's fine then. had me worried!
[15:33] <des2> Because there are 3 different orientations to choose.
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, the dev channel is like this channel but with less bs.... so it's pretty much quiet 24/7.
[15:33] <des2> Up, down and right angles.
[15:34] <piless> plus on the final boards the sd card slot doesn't stick out so far
[15:34] <Axman6> I'm interested in seeing if i can FreeRTOS running, and I feel that wouldn't be much fun without some kind of GPIO
[15:34] <Axman6> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, the bs is high with this one
[15:34] <Axman6> s/high/strong
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> s/with/in?
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[15:35] <Axman6> i guess
[15:36] <Axman6> what's the reason for autovoicing everyone?
[15:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, aside from some emulation, kernel compilation and cross-dev in general, there isn't much to talk about until we get the boards.
[15:36] <ironzorg> -m :)
[15:36] <piless> Is it just me or is the pi really not credit card sized? Or does everyone just have tiny hands?
[15:37] <Axman6> no, just big credit cards
[15:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, autovoice is just so that we can !mute people. Though I am not sure why we don't just use the chanserv command or +b instead. We don't really censor much, so it's mostly pointless.
[15:37] <des2> http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/DSC_1085.jpg
[15:37] <piless> !mute
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> !mute piless
[15:38] * PiBot sets mode -v piless
[15:38] <PiBot> piless is muted.
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> !unmute piless
[15:38] <PiBot> piless is unmuted.
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[15:38] <piless> !mute piless
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder.....
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> !mute ShiftPlusOne
[15:38] * PiBot sets mode -v ShiftPlusOne
[15:38] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne is muted.
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> asdf
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> !unmute ShiftPlusOne
[15:38] <PiBot> ShiftPlusOne is unmuted.
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[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[15:39] <piless> hmm... are my credit cards 8.5cm long?
[15:39] <piless> Lemme find a ruler
[15:39] <Axman6> sounds about right
[15:39] <des2> I just checked. Mine was 8.5cm
[15:39] <Vazde> 85.60mm*53.98mm
[15:39] <Axman6> i'm always surprised how small 10cm actually is. this is what i get for growing up with metric and using my body as a reference for how big things are
[15:40] <piless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_7810
[15:41] <piless> that guy in the guardian video must have tiny hands then
[15:42] <piless> They should have so gone with a red design.
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[15:44] <des2> That would have been more raspberryish
[15:44] <piofcube> dark red/purple board with black components ;-)
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[15:45] <Axman6> and lots of anodised aluminium headsinks
[15:45] <Axman6> and el wire
[15:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and cost?
[15:46] <piless> why would you anodise a headsink?
[15:46] <piless> *heatsink?
[15:46] <Axman6> uh, yeah. it's like 2AM, typing gets harder then.
[15:47] <Axman6> also, you'd anodise it because that's what all the cool kids do
[15:47] <piless> http://www.gd-wholesale.com/userimg/58/2814i1/multi-applicable-pcb-with-four-to-six-layers-in-purple-783.jpg
[15:47] <des2> Why do people paint their fingernails ?
[15:48] <piless> des2: Because they look yellow and horrible unpainted
[15:48] <piless> hence the need for a french manicure for some
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[15:49] <des2> I'm still mamazed hte PI doesn't need a heatsink.
[15:49] <des2> amazed even
[15:50] <piless> des2: Because it's arm
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> why is that amazing? I don't see heatsinks in phones =/
[15:50] <_av500_> nom because its slow
[15:50] <_av500_> no,
[15:50] <Axman6> so with the high demand for the pi, how many of them are actually going to be available for the children they were intended for?
[15:50] <piless> my phone has a heatsink
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Axman6, the first release isn't for children, it's for developers.
[15:50] <piless> Axman6: This isn't the educational release
[15:50] <_av500_> Axman6: children will have to use their iphones instead...
[15:51] <_av500_> or their gaming rigs
[15:51] <piless> Axman6: The educational release was slated for october or whatever, and they came with cases
[15:51] <Axman6> ShiftPlusOne: i dunno, my iPhone got pretty damn hot today. the aluminium around the outside does a good job transfering that heat to me. it was running a GPS app though
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[15:51] <Axman6> ah i see
[15:52] <piless> Axman6: Probably the battery
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's a fair point, phones can get pretty damn hot and use their housing to dissipate the heat.
[15:53] <Axman6> ended up holding it in front of the aircon which cooled it down pretty quick
[15:54] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: the hottest a phone would get would be like 40C compared to 100C+ of an x86 cpu or gpu
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[15:54] <Thorn_> my phone commonly melts its case
[15:55] <Thorn_> frequently*
[15:55] <piless> Thorn_: I'd be seriously worried about my battery exploding if that was the case
[15:55] <Thorn_> nah its just gotten very swollen
[15:55] <piless> Thorn_: Shit man seriously?!
[15:56] <piless> Thorn_: Replace that thing, NOW
[15:56] <Thorn_> i don't own a phone
[15:56] <Thorn_> jeez, too easy.
[15:56] <piless> Swollen batteries are a very bad sign
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> swollen anything is a bad sign
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[15:58] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: But especially lith-ion batteries
[15:58] <piless> They are very sensitive to extremes of heat/cold
[15:59] <piless> If you have a swollen battery, you should definitely replace it. The minor cost of replacing the battery would be next to nothing compared to the reconstructive surgery they'll have to do to piece together your cock when that thing explodes in your pocket
[16:00] <Axman6> well, what I was told by Apple when my old MBP's battery swelled to twice its size in a cupboard was that it's a safety measure to separate the chemicals that could problems when something has gone wrong. seems reasonable to me
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, you paint with words.
[16:00] <Axman6> but yes, swelling = replacement
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> Axman6: From a technical POV - utter bullshit.
[16:00] <piless> Axman6: Meh, I wouldn't really trust them. They'll say anything to avoid a law suit
[16:01] <Axman6> lying very much puts them on a head on collision with a lawsuit
[16:01] <piless> One simple test to check is to place your battery on a flat surface, if it spins freely then it's started to swell
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[16:02] <piless> Axman6: Not really, they can just blame the customer service representative
[16:03] <_av500_> LI batteries dont explode any more
[16:03] <_av500_> they are all LiPo now
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, they can blame the customer service representative, but legally, it's mostly their responsibility.
[16:03] <_av500_> and these dont explode
[16:03] <Axman6> that doesn't stop the lawsuit against the company, and does not absolve them of any blame
[16:04] <Axman6> i think this battery was old enough to not be LiPo, over 4 years old now
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[16:05] <piless> _av500_: My htc battery that came with my phone says Li-ion on it
[16:05] <Thorn_> 90% of phone batteries are still ion
[16:05] <_av500_> i guess there are still ions involved
[16:05] <_av500_> still they are LiPos
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[16:06] <_av500_> you can drive a nail through a LiPo
[16:06] <piless> _av500_: wikipedia says they still explode
[16:07] <_av500_> run then :)
[16:08] <Thorn_> lipo's are actually more explosive - the polymer they use is a mix of battery acid and semtex.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> LiPo explodes quite well.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> You may be meaning LiFePO4 - which is a different battery chemistry.
[16:09] <piless> gah conflicting opinions.. WHO DO I BELIEVE?!
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Which is somewhat more explosion resistant.
[16:09] <Thorn_> me
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[16:11] <Hexxeh> Anyone gotten dispatch notices from Farnell yet?
[16:11] <piless> IT_Sean: Which is more explosive, LiPO or Li-ion?
[16:11] <IT_Sean> piless: you don't want to bugger with either one, tbh
[16:11] <piless> Hexxeh: Are they even in the country yet?
[16:12] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU
[16:12] <piless> IT_Sean: I'm planning on making a home-made bomb
[16:12] <Hexxeh> piless: Well the first batch is being delivered this week so I'd guess they should be
[16:12] <IT_Sean> piless: no bombmaking in #raspberrypi
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> also... i'm in England, on a US passport, on an unsecured wifi network @ a coffee shop. Please do not mention bombmaking. thankyou. :p
[16:13] <piless> too late
[16:13] <Hexxeh> IT_Sean: could be worse, you could be in the US on a UK passport on an unsecured wifi network at a coffee shop
[16:13] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Did someone say assasinate Obama?
[16:14] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: i didn't SAY it so much as lightly ponder... err... i mean... no.
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> (but not because he's black)
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHABYhZ7a8
[16:14] <piless> I heard he got assassinated two years ago, and the guy who we're seeing at the moment is just a lookalike
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[16:17] <piless> I'm a little scared now that I'm on a watchlist
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[16:20] <Tachyon> which bit of england?
[16:21] <piless> I'd just like to reassure the hidden fbi agent that I'm not really planning on making a bomb with a li-ion battery
[16:21] <Simon-> Obama? who cares about assasinating Obama in the UK?
[16:21] <Simon-> IT_Sean would have more success assassinating the Queen
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[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Not so much that UK would care, but they wouldn't think twice about handing him over
[16:22] <Tachyon> heh
[16:22] <Tachyon> that extradition treaty is a joke
[16:23] <IT_Sean> Tachyon: i'm in Marlow, at the moment
[16:23] <Thorn_> 'Marlow'
[16:23] <Thorn_> sounds about as gay as 'leamington spa'
[16:24] <Thorn_> sounds like one of thoese places where the tea and biscuits stereotype is quite real
[16:24] <Tachyon> it's a bit too far south for my liking -.o
[16:24] <piless> IT_Sean: Woo Coffee?
[16:24] <IT_Sean> It does have that sort of feeling, but not overpoweringly so, Thorn_
[16:25] <IT_Sean> piless: i don't drink coffee. I had a muffin earlier, but, at this point, i'm just wifi squatting, as my hotel room is oppressivly small.
[16:25] <piless> Thorn_: Say that to the fictional character marlo stanfield
[16:26] <piless> IT_Sean: Glade end?
[16:26] <IT_Sean> piless: Yup!
[16:26] <piless> Wow successful e-stalking for once
[16:27] <IT_Sean> It's a little scary that you figured that out :p
[16:27] <piless> IT_Sean: It was the first choice for a google maps search of "hotel loc: Marlow, Buckinghamshire SL7, UK"
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> piless: Now, work out what colour his underwear is.
[16:28] <piless> SpeedEvil: Classic white
[16:28] <IT_Sean> Nope.
[16:28] <piless> Grey vertical stripes
[16:28] <IT_Sean> not even close
[16:28] <Simon-> the US flag?
[16:29] <piless> chequered?
[16:29] <Thorn_> pink with polka dots?
[16:29] <IT_Sean> no. and no. Also no.
[16:29] <Simon-> none?
[16:29] <piless> BLACK
[16:29] <IT_Sean> No, and no.
[16:29] <piless> hmm.. commando?
[16:29] <IT_Sean> piless: Simon- already guessed that. still no.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: With a large raspberry on the front, in an obvious manner?
[16:30] <piless> IT_Sean: camo
[16:30] <Thorn_> transparent?
[16:30] <IT_Sean> Green.
[16:30] <piless> Wow really?
[16:30] <Thorn_> ew
[16:30] <IT_Sean> Dark green.
[16:30] <Thorn_> ewww
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Why eew?
[16:31] <piless> Better than lime green
[16:31] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: how much raspberries did you buy?
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: i am the holder of no raspberries
[16:31] <IT_Sean> can we stop talking about my unders now? please?
[16:32] <Thorn_> what size?
[16:32] <Thorn_> S?
[16:32] <IT_Sean> let me rephrase that...
[16:32] <IT_Sean> can we stop talking about my unders now? please?
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[16:33] <piless_> Do they really have antique furniture?
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> piless: it looks old. ::shrug::
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[16:34] <piless_> IT_Sean: Someone probably died in it
[16:34] <Thorn_> most likely actually
[16:34] <Tachyon> americans think 500 years is a long time, we brits think 500 miles is a long way -.o;
[16:34] <IT_Sean> I didn't choose it for the ambiance... It was the only reasonably priced place near Bourne End that had an open room
[16:35] <Thorn_> is that where they filmed Bourne supremacy?
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> No. It's where my company has their UK office.
[16:35] <IT_Sean> :p
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[16:36] <piless_> the higginson bedroom looks like the best one
[16:36] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't know
[16:37] <piless_> IT_Sean: http://www.countryhousemarlow.co.uk/higginson.html
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[16:41] * IT_Sean tries to work out what he wants for dinner
[16:42] <weasel> food?
[16:42] <piless_> IT_Sean: hand and flowers
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Half a cabbage, and some bacon.
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> can't go wrong with potatoes
[16:43] <Thorn_> IT_Sean: faggots peas and chips
[16:44] <ShiftPlusOne> the consensus seems to be pizza is the way to go, but I'd suggest something that's not made of greasy processed crap.
[16:44] <weasel> make your own pizza?
[16:44] <piless_> go to the pub
[16:45] <piless_> ShiftPlusOne: Pizza is a vegetable
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[16:46] <weasel> unlike tomatos
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[16:46] <IT_Sean> You are all nuts.
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[16:46] <piless_> weasel: That would depend on whether you're refering to them in the culinary sense or in the biological
[16:46] <weasel> yes, nuts and tomatos are fruits
[16:47] <weasel> piless_: that's so great about tomatos. you get to pick :)
[16:47] <normod> that is also true about scabs
[16:47] <piless_> normod: just no
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[16:49] <piless_> Peter Firth lives in marlow
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[17:59] <mkopack> So, what will this week in RPi land bring us???
[18:00] <haltdef> nothing.
[18:00] <HienoMies> waiting, waiting, and more waiting
[18:00] <HienoMies> maybe some extra delays
[18:00] <mkopack> Eh, hopeful we might see some people get their boards in time for Pi day, but doubtful
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[18:08] <Henchman21> RABBLE
[18:18] <mkopack> So, which Linux flavor you guys all planning to run?
[18:18] <ironzorg> arch
[18:18] <mrdragons> Same
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[18:19] <Mookman288> One will be fedora, the other will be debian
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[18:20] <ctyler-away> I suspect I'll have a stack of SDs with all sorts of different things on 'em.
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[18:21] <mkopack> Yeah, that's what I'm doing... I have 3 16gb cards and a couple 2gb to use
[18:22] <PiKeY> guess i better go buy me some sd crads as i`m supposeddly on the first batch from RS
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[18:23] <hotwings> mkopack - debian testing
[18:24] <PiKeY> whats min size sd card? & will class 10 be worth the extra cash?
[18:24] <mkopack> Issues with class 10. Gt class 4 or 6
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> I imagine you could use a 32M card, booting from USB
[18:25] <mkopack> I would get at least a 4
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[18:26] <PiKeY> 4gb are quite cheap i think
[18:26] <zgreg> again... class 10 cards are not necessarily better than class 4/6 for what you need on the pi. often they're worse!
[18:26] <mkopack> Just depends how much you want to load on it.
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[18:26] <zgreg> class 10 cards are optimized for sequential access of big files
[18:26] <PiKeY> is it micro slot or normal sd?
[18:27] <zgreg> but that's not what counts on a typical linux system
[18:27] <mjr> PiKeY, normal size
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[18:28] <PiKeY> i presume sdhc is supported then
[18:28] <mkopack> Yes
[18:28] <zgreg> of course :)
[18:28] <zgreg> is there any word on UHS support yet?
[18:29] <mkopack> UHS?
[18:29] <zgreg> UHS is the new high-speed transfer mode introduced with SDXC
[18:29] <mkopack> Ah, yeah I don't believe that's supported
[18:29] <zgreg> the SoC supports it, but it's not clear whether the pi will be able to support it
[18:29] <slaeshjag> I think you should be happy if SDXC cards work at all
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[18:29] <slaeshjag> oh, it does?
[18:29] <zgreg> UHS modes require an I/O voltage of 1.8V
[18:30] <zgreg> and it's not really clear whether you can configure that on the pi
[18:30] * SpeedEvil ponders a useful datasheet.
[18:30] <zgreg> UHS support would indeed be great, though :)
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> I question in what circumstances UHS is actually useful though.
[18:31] <zgreg> UHS can do up to about 100 MB/s, while regular SD can only do about 20 MB/s max
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[18:31] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're never, ever going to write, it's almost not going to matter.
[18:31] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: with fast SD cards that support it, of course
[18:31] <mkopack> Good luck running Linux and NEVER writing!
[18:32] * ctyler wonders what's up with PiBot giving voice these days? (What's the point of using voice if everyone has it?!)
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Quite easy.
[18:32] <zgreg> well, I hope write performance is going to improve with fast UHS cards, too :)
[18:32] <mkopack> It's unix... Everything is a file
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Simply don't mount RW, and no swap
[18:32] <slaeshjag> zgreg: Probably wont. Well, at least not random writes
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ctyler, I am not sure why they went via that route, but it's to remove voice from trolls... though it doesn't get used.
[18:34] <hotwings> sdxc isnt cheap, and not much support yet
[18:34] <zgreg> even without major improvements to random writes, fast read speeds should be beneficial
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[18:35] <zgreg> hotwings: they will get cheap soon enough
[18:35] <hotwings> i heard that a year ago
[18:35] <zgreg> hotwings: likely before you have the pi in your hands :))
[18:35] <haltdef> ctyler, channel founder must be a bit new to irc
[18:36] <haltdef> "omg but you can devoice to mute"
[18:36] <haltdef> etc
[18:36] <ukscone> ctyler: it was just for launch day originally to stop trolls and fud but noone has removed it yet
[18:36] <ukscone> just not got around to it yet and it's doing no hard
[18:36] <ukscone> unless pibot crashes again
[18:36] <haltdef> yeah that just makes it a liability
[18:37] <haltdef> bot goes down, no new joiners can speak
[18:37] <haltdef> terrific idea!
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[18:37] <ukscone> haltdef: well the room is -m'd so that don't happen
[18:37] <haltdef> ah good
[18:37] <haltdef> just spammy now then :P
[18:38] <ukscone> but we have the ability to +m it if we need to devoice people for being arseholes
[18:38] <haltdef> that's what +b is for
[18:38] <ukscone> or if i decide to be a complete and utter b******
[18:39] <haltdef> I wonder if freenode has a channel mode for mute
[18:39] <ukscone> ctyler: did you see andy taylor's comments on twitter yesterday?
[18:39] <haltdef> +q!
[18:40] <ctyler> ukscone: don't think so (?)
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[19:04] <arnd> zgreg: I wouldn't expect too much of UHS-1 cards. They are still designed around FAT32 as the file system and erase block sizes are increasing over 8MB now, which means you still just get a fraction of the maximum performance when you run a Linux file system like ext4
[19:04] <zgreg> 8 MB? wat
[19:04] <zgreg> that's ridiculuously huge, if it's true
[19:05] <arnd> There are a lot of cards with 6MB erase blocks
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[19:05] <slaeshjag> arnd: I though SDXC demands exFAT by spec?
[19:05] <zgreg> I was under the impression that most cards still have an erase block size of 128-256 KB
[19:05] <arnd> when you want to build a 64GB card, you have to use the latest flash technology and use multiple channels
[19:06] <arnd> no way, 4MB has been the norm on SDHC cards for some years now
[19:06] <arnd> I've created a list at https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Kernel/Projects/FlashCardSurvey
[19:06] <arnd> different cards with their erase block sizes and other characteristics
[19:07] <arnd> CF cards are now at 16 MB erase blocks
[19:07] <arnd> since cheap cards tend to use TLC flash, those often have erase sizes of 1.5/3/6 MB
[19:08] <zgreg> interesting
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[19:08] <arnd> ext4 can barely handle 4MB erase blocks, and goes nuts when you give 8 MB erase blocks
[19:09] <arnd> you also need a card that can handle at least 3-5 erase blocks being written to concurrently
[19:09] <arnd> unlike e.g. Kingston cards
[19:09] <arnd> slaeshjag: correct, but exFAT and FAT32 are still similar enough that it means any reasonable file systen won't work
[19:09] <zgreg> can you give some general recommendations, which cards are most suitable for usage as a system disk with e.g. ext4?
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[19:10] <arnd> zgreg: Sandisk Ultra and Samsung "Plus" have been reasonable
[19:10] <arnd> btrfs seems to be better than ext4 for most workloads as well
[19:10] <arnd> even more so on worse cards
[19:11] <zgreg> really? from what I've seen so far, ext4 works well on crappy flash
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[19:11] <zgreg> especially with journalling disabled
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[19:11] <arnd> ext4 certainly works better than ext2 and ext3
[19:12] <arnd> and it depends on how crappy it is
[19:12] <arnd> btrfs will only work reasonably on devices that have 3 or more erase blocks they can write to
[19:12] <PaulFertser> http://www.altechnative.net/2012/01/25/flash-module-benchmark-collection-sd-cards-cf-cards-usb-sticks/
[19:12] <arnd> but doesn't get that much better for cards that have more
[19:12] <mkopack> Given the rpi doesn't have a power switch, I would highly recommend not turning off journalling
[19:13] <PaulFertser> That guy tested plenty of different cards.
[19:13] <haltdef> you can still shut it down
[19:13] <mkopack> True
[19:13] <PaulFertser> His final solution for a really fast rootfs storage was http://www.altechnative.net/2012/02/07/morebetter-internal-storage-on-the-toshiba-ac100-part-2/
[19:13] <zgreg> btrfs is a bit too experimental for my taste, still
[19:13] <piless_> a real man will corrupt his file system as much as he likes to. Intentionally.
[19:14] <arnd> ext4 will make use of all the open erase blocks a card has, so it gets faster with better cards
[19:14] <arnd> I use btrfs because in my experience the cards physically die much faster than I would expect to see data corruption from software bugs
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[19:15] <zgreg> ah, I have one of those samsung SD cards (MS8GA) and installed ubuntu for testing purposes on it, a while ago. works surprisingly well.
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[19:17] <arnd> ms8ga is essential series, not plus series
[19:17] <piless_> zgreg: Got a swap on that samsung card of yours?
[19:17] <arnd> while plus is always quite good, I've seen good and bad essential series cards
[19:17] <zgreg> arnd: yes, but it still works pretty well.
[19:17] <arnd> then you probably have one of the good ones ;-)
[19:17] <arnd> which size and manufacture date?
[19:18] <zgreg> piless_: yes, but that's normally unused
[19:18] <arnd> (got to go for a few minutes, I'll be back later)
[19:19] <zgreg> it's the 8 GB variant, class 6
[19:19] <zgreg> manufacturing date? no idea, is that indicated by the serial number?
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[19:22] <danieldaniel> Can someone hax microsoft 4 me?
[19:22] <piless_> danieldaniel: done and done
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[19:22] <danieldaniel> o
[19:22] <_av500_> more important is whether the card was made during the 3rd shift or not
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[19:23] <danieldaniel> piless_: can you ub3rh4x xbox's rsa keys please?
[19:23] <_av500_> the one where they sweep the factory floor for nand and sell that to the surplus market
[19:24] <piless_> danieldaniel: 0c4748724aa10736b0742be3e673bb0c17f9201d
[19:24] <danieldaniel> piless_: orlyu
[19:24] <danieldaniel> piless_: u srs?
[19:24] <piless_> danieldaniel: Of course.
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[19:24] <danieldaniel> no your not
[19:24] <danieldaniel> I need someone that can seriously do it :(
[19:25] <passstab> goot luk
[19:25] <piless_> danieldaniel: Look.. If you're not going to take my work seriously, then you can just jog on.
[19:25] <slaeshjag> And I want people to use "your" and "you're" correctly
[19:25] <danieldaniel> piless_: *tries signing codez0rz*
[19:25] <markus_> https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR hey do you know what dock extension he is referring to?
[19:25] <_av500_> danieldaniel: the r-pi can break xbox rsa easily, just buy all of them
[19:26] <danieldaniel> lol
[19:26] <markus_> that linus of thordvalds
[19:26] <danieldaniel> oh wait, I thought i was saying that on a different channel
[19:26] <danieldaniel> LMAO
[19:26] <passstab> slaeshjag : this is te intarnet bitch
[19:27] <piless_> markus_: /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/dock@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org ?
[19:28] <markus_> piless_: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/17/dock/ this one?
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[19:29] <piless_> markus_: Yes
[19:29] * piless_ has no idea what he's saying
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[19:30] <piless_> IT_Sean: How was dinner?
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Not bad
[19:30] <piless_> I'm going to start super-stalking you.
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Please don't
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[19:30] <piless_> I can't help it.
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Yes, you can.
[19:30] <piless_> It's a core part of personality.
[19:30] <danieldaniel> piless_: were you actually serious?
[19:31] <piless_> danieldaniel: yes
[19:31] <danieldaniel> piless_: ok
[19:31] <danieldaniel> '
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[19:36] <piless_> I wasn't actually serious.
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[19:38] <danieldaniel> piless_: FUUU
[19:38] <danieldaniel> :)
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[19:38] <danieldaniel> Well, I got excited for nothing then :(
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[19:39] <piless_> 0c4748724aa10736b0742be3e673bb0c17f9201d is actually an sha1 hash for "fish fingers"
[19:39] <danieldaniel> lmao
[19:39] <danieldaniel> it looked familiar :(
[19:39] <danieldaniel> I knew it was some kinda hash
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[19:46] <arnd> zgreg: the date is in /sys/block/mmcblk0/device/date
[19:47] <arnd> zgreg: this is the output from a "good" samsung essential 32GB: http://pastebin.com/d75ZxnHQ
[19:48] <arnd> preferred_erase_size should be the actual erase block size, however this card reports 4MB but has 6MB instead
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[20:27] <piless_> no
[20:28] <piless_> you heard me
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[20:39] <mkopack> lol, considering how much the pom keeps splitting I don't think anyone hears anything!
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[20:55] <piless_> iujhguok
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[21:00] <normod> fbzrbar frg hf hc gur obzo!
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[21:01] <piless_> possibly
[21:01] <normod> lrf
[21:02] <piless_> kjioph drty
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[21:06] <mkopack> Giggity
[21:06] <piless_> this isn't right at all
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[21:09] <mkopack> man, I haven't gotten shit done today
[21:10] <piless_> mkopack: screw it, go drinking
[21:11] <mkopack> hehe
[21:11] <mkopack> Should be doing grad school work??? just 1 more "big"(-ish) project to do m due next Sunday
[21:12] <mkopack> but I already have it about half written and dammit, I worked my butt off the last 2 days on school stuff. I want a "Me" day
[21:12] <normod> and instead you got a "meh"-day
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[21:13] <piless_> go to the pub
[21:14] <mkopack> Hehe, I'm actually there (Hooters) watching the NASCAR race.
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[21:14] <normod> how american of you
[21:14] <piless_> mkopack: It's amazing having irc on phones nowadays
[21:15] <mkopack> Bah, I have my Macbook out!
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[21:15] <normod> you should get a smartphone
[21:15] <mkopack> So??? just thinking out loud here...
[21:15] <normod> upgrade yourself
[21:15] <mkopack> (I have one??? iPhone4, and an iPad???)
[21:16] <haltdef> http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/11/itg-xpphone-2-hands-on-windows-7-on-a-smartphone/
[21:16] <haltdef> must own
[21:16] <normod> yeah I said smartphone not iphone
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[21:16] <mkopack> anyhow??? just thinking???. I have my 2009 Quad core (8 thread) Mac Pro, just sitting there idle all day while I'm at work during the week???
[21:16] <normod> foldit@home?
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[21:17] <mkopack> Is there some way I could use that to contribute to help with cross-compiling up Debian for hard float support?
[21:17] <mkopack> It would be ridiculously faster than trying to recompile Linux ON an RPi
[21:17] <haltdef> debian has to be compiled natively, doesn't it
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[21:18] <haltdef> to be official debian anyway
[21:18] <mkopack> damn, oh well
[21:18] <normod> yes they have an arm cluster for that
[21:18] <mkopack> Just thought that might help
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[21:20] <piless_> mkopack: sell the iphone, get a windows 8 arm tablet
[21:20] <mkopack> WHY in GOD'S NAME would I want that??? I'm a non-Windows household!
[21:21] <piless_> mkopack: Usability
[21:21] <normod> agree, worst idea ever
[21:21] <mkopack> I have Windows set up as a dual boot, ONLY to play Battlefield 3???. And I haven't even booted to that since??? Um??? Nov?
[21:21] <mkopack> Bill gates can suck my big white ??????
[21:22] <piless_> mkopack: Bill gate left microsoft ages ago
[21:22] <normod> it's Steve Ballsdeep now
[21:22] <mkopack> Doesn't mean he doesn't make a lot of money from all those stock shares??? NO thanks??? MS hasn't put out a SINGLE thing I particularly found good in over a decade
[21:22] <mkopack> that Windows Phone OS is a F'ing JOKE
[21:23] <normod> what about Zune?
[21:23] <mkopack> I don't know a SINGLE person who has one
[21:23] <mkopack> ZUNE? You mean that DISCONTINUED product ??? No thanks. My iPod works GREAT!
[21:23] <piless_> why is it a fucking joke?
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[21:23] <danieldaniel> OmG
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[21:24] <haltdef> we have an apple zombie
[21:24] <mkopack> piless: It's way behind in features from iOS or Android, it has like 1% market share. The ONLY reason it's gotten ANY traction (what little it has) is because they basically bought Nokia
[21:24] <haltdef> killed maemo in the process
[21:24] <haltdef> gits
[21:24] <mkopack> They're BEGGING developers to try to get software for that platform??? and not having much/any luck
[21:25] <oldtopman> What's this? BB10?
[21:25] <mkopack> MS it like IBM was ??? A Dinosaur of computing's yesteryear???
[21:25] <mkopack> The big players now are Google and Apple
[21:25] <normod> I've seen this exact conversation a few times already
[21:25] <haltdef> yeah, virtually nobody uses windows anymore
[21:25] <haltdef> :P
[21:25] <piless_> the lumia series is really nice
[21:25] <mkopack> MS might still own the business market, but they're getting killed in the consumer space
[21:25] <slaeshjag> haltdef: Nah, they use a browser
[21:25] <haltdef> under windows
[21:26] <haltdef> counts as market share I think!
[21:26] <slaeshjag> Who cares if it's windows? As long as it runs a browser
[21:26] <mkopack> MS Stock price - totally stagnant or decliing over the last 10 years??? Apple + Google just keeps going up
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[21:28] <Da|Mummy> thats because bill gates invests in those companies
[21:29] <Henchman21> cause he knows his time is up
[21:29] <mkopack> Because those companies are still expanding, finding new markets, creating new products.
[21:29] <Da|Mummy> yes, bill gates just died of cancer
[21:29] <mkopack> MS just keeps feeding us the same old crap??? new versions, with more bloat???And expecting us to pay full price for them???
[21:30] <Da|Mummy> ipad3
[21:30] <haltdef> what is that funky underscore character I keep on seeing
[21:30] <mkopack> At least when Apple charges for a new version of OSX, it's only a $30 charge...
[21:30] <mkopack> Not $150+
[21:30] <mkopack> With 15 different versions..
[21:30] <haltdef> have you seen the price they charge for hardware?
[21:30] <haltdef> kinda cancels out the cheaper software
[21:31] <mkopack> Da: True, the hardware on Apple is incremental, but I don't have to buy it to use the new OS...
[21:31] <mkopack> I still use and love my iPad 1
[21:31] <Da|Mummy> because youre smart enough to not let apple feed you the same old crap
[21:32] <mkopack> No, I just realize that it's not cost beneficial to upgrade every year??? Better to skip 1-3 generations.. that way it's a BIG improvement when I do upgrade??? Same with PC GFX cards
[21:32] <Henchman21> RABBLE
[21:32] <Henchman21> RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
[21:32] <haltdef> every two generations seems to be the sweet spot for graphics
[21:32] <mkopack> You either have to buy every year, and immediately sell the old one when you can still get 50% of the cost back out. Or you gotta buy and hold it for a couple years and then replace and spend the full amount again
[21:33] <mkopack> yeah, 2-3??? depends on how demanding you are with your uses
[21:33] <haltdef> I'm not bhappy unless a game is maxed out :P
[21:35] <piless_> mkopack: Realisticly that $30 update did about as much as a free windows service pack
[21:35] <mkopack> piless: Eh, yes and no...
[21:36] <mkopack> piless: Anyhow, to each their own. I'm just no Windows Fan??? I'll take OSX or Linux any time over Windows. I use windows only to play games???
[21:36] <mkopack> I don't even use it at work???
[21:37] <acfrazier> christ almighty how many times have I come in here to this discussion
[21:37] <mkopack> lol
[21:37] <acfrazier> you either use it and like it or you don't and don't
[21:37] <acfrazier> now stfu
[21:37] <haltdef> was inevitable, irc channel for a linux device
[21:37] <Da|Mummy> acfrazier uses vista
[21:37] <piless_> acfrazier: fuck you
[21:37] <IT_Sean> HEY!
[21:37] <IT_Sean> Lenguage.
[21:37] <IT_Sean> *Language
[21:38] <piless_> yes sir
[21:38] <acfrazier> actually I use
[21:38] <acfrazier> Linux chardonnay 3.2.9-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 1 09:31:13 CET 2012 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31235 @ 3.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[21:38] <acfrazier> Arch.
[21:38] <Da|Mummy> what? its a pg13 channel. have you never played COD with 13 year olds?
[21:38] <acfrazier> rofl
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[21:39] <mkopack> Da: LOL, yeah, they curse more than *I* do (which is saying a lot.. ) Of course, they think everything is "gay"
[21:39] <Da|Mummy> like your mother
[21:39] <piless_> mkopack: I think it's more fag than gay
[21:39] <acfrazier> if I had a dime for every time I heard "gay" or "your mom" in a halo match I'd be rich
[21:39] <acfrazier> or fag
[21:39] <mkopack> LOL ac, exactly!
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[21:40] <mkopack> It's gotten to where I won't even play online games unless I can mute out the kids, or can get on servers that only have adults playing
[21:40] <piless_> they get all abusive aswell if you don't have the same accent as them
[21:40] <piofcube> The only thing I don't like about Linux is the lack of support from certain hardware manufacturers :-(
[21:41] <acfrazier> *cough* AMD *cough*
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[21:41] <mkopack> pio: Yeah, well, that's unfortunately life.
[21:41] <piless_> the only think I don't like about Linux is all the smug little neckbeards
[21:41] <mkopack> They have to see a financial reason to do it
[21:41] <acfrazier> browse 4chan /g/
[21:41] <victhor> the amd graphics drivers aren't really bad
[21:41] <acfrazier> you will be ashamed for using linux
[21:41] <acfrazier> after that
[21:41] <mkopack> But see, as Windows loses market share to Mac + Linux that will change
[21:41] <victhor> if you don't mind no power management and subpar performance...
[21:42] <mrdragons> I try to stay off 4chan in general...
[21:42] <slaeshjag> victhor: Well, my laptop can't go down into sleep/hibernate, the AMD drivers stops it :)
[21:42] <piless_> mkopack: Is it year of the linux desktop again?
[21:42] <acfrazier> victhor, which on a notebook is unacceptablw
[21:42] <acfrazier> e
[21:42] <piofcube> That ATI drivers are okay... The nVidia ones went flaky not long ago... Crashing out the entire system just because you resized a terminal window :(
[21:42] <mkopack> The problem has been that there was no financial incentive to support anything other than windows for pretty much all the 90's and early 2000's because there just wasn't' enough of them out there
[21:42] <victhor> I'm lucky then, mine can suspend with the open source drivers!
[21:42] <acfrazier> the year of the linux desktop was in 2008 according to google
[21:43] <victhor> although I'm a bit wary of trying fglrx again... I broke the display after installing it somehow, luckily the computer was repaired under warranty
[21:43] <mkopack> That is changing though...
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[21:43] <_av500_> 12008
[21:43] <piless_> mkopack: Well other than jobs being a douche. Valve offered to port half-life 2 for mac for a million dollars way back in the day and he told them where to put it
[21:43] <victhor> the battery lasts for a hour or a bit more with the open source drivers
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[21:44] <mkopack> Mac (I know a lot of you guys hate it but just bear with me) is making serious inroads on the desktop, and the more it does, the more people are exposed to a Unix based system, and that opens things up??? convinces the hardware makers to support stuff other than Windows
[21:44] <mkopack> Speaking of battery, mine is about to die, so I need to sign off??? (forgot to charge up last night???)
[21:44] <piless_> mkopack: They're both abandoning the desktop anyway. Tablets are more profitable for everyone
[21:45] <mkopack> true
[21:45] <piofcube> Macs are okay I guess... Don't use them often.
[21:45] <piless_> ipad 3 blows every other tablet out of the water though
[21:45] <Ticho> hm, "mac" and "open" on the same line ?
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[21:46] <mkopack> (Holy CRAP my waitress is an IDIOT today)
[21:46] <Ticho> curiously enough, in that context it's even truth
[21:46] <piless_> mkopack: You're wrong about hardware. Apple have always made their own hardware and that won't change for a long while
[21:47] <mkopack> piless: yes and no??? they get their GFX from NVidia + ATI + Intel??? and there's plenty of 3rd party hardware accessories that work with Macs...
[21:47] <mkopack> anyhow. BBIAB??? Gotta head home
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[21:47] <piless_> mkopack: Obviously not to that degree, most of their phone components come from samsung
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[21:48] <piofcube> perhaps... they assemble their own computers might be closer ;-)
[21:49] <Da|Mummy> now theres a touchy subject, apple assemblers
[21:51] <piless_> piofcube: Well they refuse to license their OS to any other hardware. Remember when they shut down that company that was selling hackintoshes?
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[21:53] <victhor> once upon a time there were official Mac clones. Apple gave up on that program because the clones were "draining away their sales". That's what I heard...
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[21:53] <piofcube> piless_ yeah... If they were using pirate copies of OSx I would understand... Some would say that apple subsidises the prices of their software because of their hardware sales... That's debatable I guess
[21:56] <piofcube> And then again... look at Microsoft and the hoops you have to go through to get their webcams working at high-res if you don't want to use their recorder or another OS... Anyone know how to disable the "install Live essentials" popup when you accidently press the button on the camera? :-(
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[22:03] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: duct tape
[22:03] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: LOL... Yeah I was thinking about that.
[22:04] <piofcube> stick a bit plastic over it so the tape won't press it down
[22:04] <victhor> anyone knows some inexpensive source for 20x4 character lcds with 3.3V logic?
[22:05] <IT_Sean> fleabay?
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[22:05] <victhor> I have tried evilbay but I can't seem to find 3.3V... only 5V
[22:06] <piofcube> victhor: Is that for the R-Pi?
[22:06] <victhor> I found some at a certain component distributor, but I'd like to know if there is someone selling them for less. They were selling for $25 or something like that
[22:06] <victhor> piofcube, yes. I intend on using the sparkfun serial lcd adapter though
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[22:07] <victhor> I would get their 20x4 LCD but they don't have a 3,3V version
[22:07] <Gadget-Mac> take a look here http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/lcd-displays-serial-enabled-16x2-lcd-33v-c-91_209.html
[22:07] <Gadget-Mac> Obviously more use for those in the UK
[22:07] <Gadget-Mac>
[22:08] <piofcube> victhor: Ah... cool... I was wondering because there's lots of them out there but require hacking the Win7 signed drivers protection... Something I won't do because Windows relies too much on it for security
[22:08] <victhor> they have the sparkfun serial LCDs, which I don't want to use because the model I want (20x4) is only available in 5V.
[22:08] <Simon-> can't you just tell windows to ignore that requirement?
[22:08] <oldtopman> Why do you need 3.3?
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[22:09] <piofcube> Not on Windows 7
[22:09] <victhor> because the device it is connected to uses 3.3V logic
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[22:16] <victhor> guess it's actually cheaper to use the sparkfun LCD and a logic level converter
[22:16] <mkopack> vic: What are you planning to use the LCD for?
[22:17] <victhor> a simple information display
[22:18] <victhor> I might just use a 16x2 LCD, I need to plan what I'm supposed to put on that display
[22:18] <victhor> 2 more lines seem to make such a large difference though...
[22:18] <mkopack> http://www.adafruit.com/category/63
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[22:19] <mkopack> See if there's anything on there that will work for you
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[22:21] <victhor> that OLED is quite nice.
[22:22] <Simon-> ooh rgb :o
[22:22] <mkopack> Well, just throwing it out there as possible options. All depends on what you need, how many IO you have to work with, and voltage and price
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[22:24] <Simon-> btw if anyone is thinking of getting a colour display, anything less than 18-bit is inadequate for most things
[22:25] <victhor> I find 16 bit not that bad
[22:25] <Thorn_> 12bit is just fine
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[22:25] <victhor> the OLED is actually cheaper than the sparkfun LCD.
[22:26] <mkopack> largely depends on resolution as well??? if you have a lot of pixels, you really want to see nuances in color
[22:26] <mkopack> Yeah, but man that thing is TINY!
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[22:26] <victhor> the 20x4 lcd seems to be bigger though, since this is an indicator it would be nice if it were readable
[22:27] <mkopack> 1" dian!
[22:27] <mkopack> diag
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[22:28] <mkopack> I have one of the spark funs??? it's probably 2x bigger than that OLED one??? (wider) but less characters
[22:28] <mkopack> I mean, look at that thing, it's not much bigger than a quarter
[22:29] <victhor> I noticed :P
[22:29] <mkopack> Oh, wait, that's the control board that's the size of a quarter??? the screen is a BIT bigger
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[22:30] <victhor> that's too small still, unfortunately :/
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[22:31] <victhor> the display doesn't have a TX line, so I could use a 3.3V signal, perhaps...
[22:31] <victhor> add a shunt zener... just in case, maybe it will work
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[22:56] <markus_> Can a mouse handle 1M clicks before it breaks?
[22:56] <slaeshjag> if it really wants to
[22:57] <markus_> It's 273 clicks per day in 10 years
[22:57] <slaeshjag> It sounds like a plausable number for a tacswitch
[22:58] <mkopack> Of course, how hard you are on it makes a difference as well....
[22:58] <mkopack> I'm a bit of a "heavy" clicker
[22:58] <markus_> I like my mouse but it's hard to find nowadays. I guess they want to sell more high end mice.
[22:58] <Simon-> define "breaks"
[22:59] <Simon-> most of my mice experience mis-clicking instead of breaking completely
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[22:59] <markus_> when the click doesn't count any longer
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[22:59] <markus_> hmmm. i guess either of those
[22:59] <IT_Sean> markus_: what percentage of clicks can it miss before you would call it a failure?
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[22:59] <Simon-> what usually happens is that it will no longer stay down if I press it too close to the hinge part
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[23:00] <markus_> IT_Sean: 1%
[23:00] <Simon-> IT_Sean: 1
[23:00] <markus_> that might make some mice broken even when they are new
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[23:02] * Simon- tries to find out how old this mouse is
[23:02] * Simon- finds an order for an LX3 in 2006
[23:02] <Simon-> but this is not an LX3
[23:03] <fakker> i still have an MS explorer that came bundled with Quake 3
[23:04] <Simon-> this mouse is from 2009 :)
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[23:04] <Simon-> so it's probably due to fail this year
[23:04] <fakker> my logitech mx performance is 'broken', but that's because of the dongle
[23:04] <Simon-> another 6-7 months left
[23:04] <markus_> i have a logitech laser mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel
[23:04] <fakker> the mouse is in perfect condition; i just need to order a new nano dongle
[23:04] <fakker> yeah, pretty much what mine is
[23:04] <markus_> also some kind of extra button on the top
[23:04] <fakker> has 2 buttons to the side of mouse1
[23:04] <markus_> i'm not sure what i can use it for
[23:05] <fakker> it's comfortable
[23:05] <Simon-> they have some mice that work on most glass now... but they've killed the middle button
[23:05] <fakker> haha, the infinite scroll?
[23:06] <Simon-> yes
[23:06] <Simon-> afaict it's a hardware thing
[23:06] <fakker> the mx performance has a button to switch between
[23:06] <Simon-> so middle clicking changes how the wheel works :/
[23:07] * Simon- wonders if the RPi can drive two displays via SPI...
[23:08] * Simon- would like to use a lower power text display and a higher power display for video
[23:08] <Simon-> I suppose I could just figure out how to get it to turn the display off after a delay
[23:09] <slaeshjag> Are you sure SPI on R-pi has the bw to drive a video display?
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[23:11] <Simon-> no
[23:12] <Simon-> but what's the point of it if it can't do video?
[23:12] <Simon-> it has a camera for input
[23:12] <Simon-> the other option is to use the HDMI output
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[23:13] <slaeshjag> Well, there's a separate connector with an interface made for driving a display :P
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[23:27] <andytuk> Good evening!
[23:28] <mkopack> Howdy
[23:28] <andytuk> Just testing irssi on a Raspberry Pi
[23:28] <andytuk> Its working.
[23:28] <ukscone> :)
[23:29] <weasel> and you're ircing as root? what a horrbile idea
[23:29] <andytuk> Err - i know :-/ :)
[23:29] <ukscone> i like the label on the sd card in the photo
[23:29] <Thorn_> who do you think you are
[23:29] <Thorn_> how dare you come in here with your pi
[23:29] <Thorn_> rubbing it in everyones face
[23:29] <Thorn_> you better tell us where you live.
[23:29] <andytuk> Shall I leave ?!??! :)
[23:30] <Thorn_> no im just being jealous :P
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[23:30] <mkopack> Andy: we're ALL jealous!
[23:30] <andytuk> Im setting up this pi for www.computinghistory.org.uk for a show in a couple of weeks.
[23:30] <ukscone> Thorn_: he came in especially to piss you off
[23:30] <mkopack> nice.
[23:30] * andytuk stashes Pi in a locked box.
[23:30] <mkopack> Any new news you can share with us? :)
[23:30] <Thorn_> you've locked it up, now you can safely tell us where you live
[23:31] <philh> ukscone, with Thorn_, i can believe that people might ;)
[23:31] <Thorn_> evening philh
[23:31] <philh> 'lo Thorn_
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[23:31] <andytuk> BRB
[23:33] <RITRedbeard> andytuk, excuse my ignorance, how do you possess a Raspberry Pi?
[23:33] <philh> Thorn_, address is on http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/pages/176/About-the-Museum/ if you fancy breaking in, bit of a trek for you, though
[23:33] <philh> andytuk, so, is this the donated beta board?
[23:33] <Thorn_> good catch
[23:33] <Thorn_> oh it's only a few hundred miles, no problem at all
[23:33] <Thorn_> infact i walked over 25 miles on thursday night :)
[23:33] <andytuk> Yeah, was a nice donation.
[23:33] <Thorn_> (my legs still hurt)
[23:34] <philh> what possessed you?
[23:34] <philh> andytuk, indeed
[23:34] <Thorn_> philh: the weather
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[23:34] <andytuk> Im not at the musuem at the moment - board is at my house in a mystery location
[23:34] <Thorn_> off duty cop gave me a lift home for the last few miles though :D
[23:34] <philh> heh, nice
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[23:35] <mkopack> Thorn: WHY did you walk so far?
[23:35] <mkopack> Car break down?
[23:36] <Thorn_> why not
[23:36] <Thorn_> i actually enjoy doing something spontaneous and ridiculous every now and then :)
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[23:36] <mkopack> lol
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[23:37] * SpeedEvil covers Thorn_ in cheese.
[23:37] <andytuk> Uploading a blur-o-vision pic of my Pi on IRC just to rub it in a little more :)
[23:37] <philh> kinky
[23:39] <mkopack> TEASE!!!
[23:39] <ukscone> andytuk: the californian ferrari was pretty cool
[23:40] <Thorn_> top gear?
[23:40] <ukscone> Thorn_: yup
[23:40] <andytuk> Yeah - would love a car like that. Sadly have to sick to my old Focus for now.
[23:40] <philh> hmm, i'm about 5 episodes behind on this series
[23:40] <mkopack> I think ALL of us would love a car like that! (Although I prefer the Italia)
[23:41] <Thorn_> cars are for old people
[23:41] <Thorn_> real men drive bikes
[23:41] <mkopack> I should go do the oil change on the CBR???. But it's supposed to rain the next 2 days, so I guess I can wait and do it Tues ight
[23:41] <mkopack> night
[23:42] <Thorn_> just wheel the damn thing into your kitchen and do it like everyone else
[23:42] <andytuk> To me, my car is a tool to get me to work and back and to take the family out. Never been a petrol head.
[23:42] <mkopack> Um, my kitchen is on the 2nd floor??? I don't really think I'm going to be able to ride it up 2 sets of stairs!
[23:43] <Thorn_> not that much of a hassle depending on the weight
[23:43] <Thorn_> what cc cbr?
[23:43] <mkopack> Sport bike 600
[23:43] <Thorn_> oh a 600
[23:43] <Thorn_> yeah you're not carrying that on your shoulder
[23:44] <mkopack> Um, NO
[23:44] <mkopack> 350 lbs dry...
[23:44] <ukscone> andytuk: yup & i let my california license expire and not bothered to get an ny one
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[23:44] <Thorn_> the blade's are still fairly light bikes though
[23:44] <mkopack> oh yeah??? but still, that's nearly double MY weight
[23:45] <Thorn_> try getting a gsxf 750 on its center stand :)
[23:45] <Thorn_> 210kg dry
[23:45] <mkopack> hehe, I used to have a 2000 VFR800??? that thing weighed a TON
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[23:45] <Thorn_> yeah
[23:45] <Thorn_> the tourers are heeeavy :D
[23:45] <mkopack> It was a case of stand on the center stand and HEAVE HO!
[23:46] <andytuk> If you want to see the Pi on IRC, goto http://flic.kr/p/bpmktb
[23:46] <Thorn_> cool
[23:46] <mkopack> Well, the 2000 was more on the sport than tour side???. they've gotten progressively farther from that ever generation since??? Don't even recognize it anymore
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[23:46] <mkopack> andy: cool!
[23:46] <Thorn_> what res is that running at?
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[23:47] <andytuk> 1680x1050 :)
[23:47] <mkopack> Font sized bumped up?
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[23:48] <andytuk> Not a bad res for a text mode.
[23:48] <philh> text mode?
[23:49] <andytuk> Yeah - no X used in that screenshot.
[23:49] <philh> i see a desktop with windows and a pointer
[23:49] <mkopack> Yeah??? I see the stuff down bottom
[23:50] <andytuk> Are there any other Pi owners on here at the moment?
[23:50] <Da|Mummy> no
[23:50] <mkopack> Andy: Sore subject!!!
[23:50] <philh> it seems quite unlikely
[23:50] <andytuk> There are 10 of us somewhere....
[23:50] <philh> andytuk, so, upload fail?
[23:50] <ukscone> plus a few alpha boards out there
[23:51] <andytuk> Wanted to know if anyone else has had issues with wireless keyboard and mice.
[23:51] <Da|Mummy> blutooth or 2.54ghz wireless?
[23:51] <andytuk> Philh : upload fail?
[23:51] <andytuk> Wireless
[23:52] <philh> the "text mode" "no X" photo that shows a graphical desktop with windowing and a mouse cursor, did you point us at the wrong url or upload the wrong photo?
[23:52] <Da|Mummy> so uhh, since you have a rpi, can you read/write to ext4?
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[23:54] <andytuk> URL should have been http://flic.kr/p/bCh2NK
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[23:55] <philh> andytuk, thanks, that's a bit more like it
[23:55] <mkopack> Man, this is like torture
[23:55] <mkopack> I really hope they can start shipping them out this week
[23:56] <andytuk> DalMummy: Not tried ext4 yet. Let me dig out a usb memory stick and give it a go.
[23:57] <mkopack> Which OS you running on it Andy?
[23:58] <andytuk> Running Debian download from the Rpi site. Tried fedora but it was very, very slow.
[23:58] <ukscone> andytuk: you going to give compiling on the raspi a go?
[23:58] <andytuk> Only have Class 4 SD cards at the moment, so will try fedora when I get a faster card.
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[23:59] <haltdef> (class has nothing to do with the speed an OS will run off it)

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