#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-03-13

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[0:00] <strigel> you do do metaphors, right?
[0:00] <strigel> actually it was a simillie
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[0:00] <piless> strigel: why would the last chicken at the supermarket lay any more idler than the second last chicken at the supermarket?
[0:00] <strigel> *simily
[0:01] <strigel> piless: too logical. cannot compute.
[0:01] <piless> it's my autism coming to the surface
[0:01] <PReDiToR> Because it was less desirable than the penultimate one
[0:01] <strigel> thank you PReDiToR
[0:02] <strigel> you are my GPU
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[0:03] <mkopack> Last one on the shelf is the one that probably was the least desirable??? like the last kid to get picked for a game of dodgeball??? aka: the target
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[0:05] <strigel> I asked this one before, but didn't hang around for an answer, so it may have been covered:
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[0:05] <strigel> what about low cost screens?
[0:05] <strigel> are there any salvagable screen/controller solutions that can be salvaged that Linux supports
[0:06] <strigel> i'm thinking ex-phone displays for embedded systems
[0:06] <shirro> Noticed au.element14.com has supply lead time as 143 days today.
[0:06] <PReDiToR> Apparently a lot of them would need an ADC
[0:06] <strigel> right
[0:06] <strigel> as in a analog to digical converter?
[0:07] <strigel> or what?
[0:07] <PReDiToR> But there are a couple of <yes, ADC> forum posts that point to Amazon touch screens with RCA and USB
[0:07] <strigel> ok, yes new stuff I can imagine
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[0:08] <strigel> I was wondering with all the embedded linux projects that have gone before, what super-low cost ( and potentially correspondingly super lo-fi) screen solutions exist, maybe monochrome, maybe only with a few lines
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> char displays are available
[0:09] <des2> You can start with $5 surplus Nokia displays.
[0:09] <strigel> des2: this is the answer I wanted
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HD44780-1602-LCD-Module-Display-Anzeigen-2X16-Zeichen-/270921230143?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item3f1429e73f
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[0:10] <des2> Or even a $3 16x2 display connected to the GPIO
[0:10] <strigel> Speed: ok, so would you run that from GPIO or what?
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> you may need several resistors
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[0:11] <strigel> ok, cool
[0:11] <des2> The Arduino project has lots of such displays hooked up.
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[0:13] <strigel> des2: yes, you sold me on arduino during a previous discussion. You proved to me quite quickly it is a killer combo with the pi...can't wait
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[0:14] <strigel> my latest idea is a nice drum trigger module, which arduino + pi + low cost screen would be awesome for
[0:15] <strigel> midi would be made easy by the pi, A to D inputs from the arduino
[0:16] <Fragmint> I'm interested in turning the pi into a carputer
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> I want to make it into a catputer.
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> All I need is a small surgical lab.
[0:16] <strigel> Fragmint: sat nav and media player?
[0:16] <Fragmint> pretty much
[0:16] <Fragmint> long as I can get BT audio working I can just use a phone and have it play through the screen
[0:17] <Fragmint> or audio system
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[0:17] <Fragmint> I've had a fanless VIA EPIA sitting around for ages and just can't bring myself to put it in a car due to it being pretty much useless these days
[0:17] <PReDiToR> The problem there is that loads of ICE these days has USB/3.5/BT input anyhow. And a few phones have FM transmitters and GPS built in.
[0:18] <Fragmint> my car was designed in the 50s and pretty much unchanged since then
[0:18] <strigel> Speed: I'll take a catputer
[0:19] <strigel> if it talks
[0:19] <PReDiToR> I like your car. I bet it has a real carburettor and not one of these fragile black boxes.
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[0:19] <des2> A cat putter would only hiss and meow.
[0:19] <strigel> cats do that already?
[0:20] <strigel> what's the point?
[0:22] <Fragmint> What scares me is my car is from a country that never had a grasp of electrics or electronics
[0:22] <piless> Fragmint: Plus no crumple zones
[0:23] <des2> It's an Italian car ?
[0:23] <Fragmint> yep
[0:23] <PReDiToR> Fiat's disease: Iron Oxide.
[0:23] <Fragmint> not a fiat
[0:23] <strigel> ferrari
[0:23] <Fragmint> not a ferrari
[0:23] <PReDiToR> He said not a Fiat
[0:24] <Fragmint> although I did used to own a fiat spider and actually liked it better
[0:24] <strigel> I had an italian bike once...what a piece of crap
[0:24] <Fragmint> better then british!
[0:24] <Fragmint> *than
[0:25] <strigel> do the brits make bikes?
[0:25] <Fragmint> triumph
[0:25] <strigel> I know the Indians make Royal Enfields
[0:25] <piless> the brits don't make anything nowadays
[0:25] <strigel> part from pis
[0:25] <PReDiToR> We make ideas
[0:25] <Fragmint> its my understanding they make royal enfields from tooling made in the 40s
[0:25] <PReDiToR> And bad politicians.
[0:25] <strigel> Fragmint: that's correct
[0:25] <mkopack> Crumple zones only matter if you crash??? so don't crash!
[0:26] <des2> Ultra precision 3-d printing: http://www.tuwien.ac.at/en/news/news_detail/article/7444/
[0:26] <Fragmint> as if british quality was bad enough... 50 year old tooling assembled in a sweatshop in india = scary build quality
[0:26] <piless> What happened to that indian made car that was supposed to be super super cheap
[0:26] <strigel> The only bike less desireable than Italian is Indian
[0:27] <strigel> british is above both, but beneath everyone else
[0:27] <piless> what about a chinese kit bike?
[0:27] <PReDiToR> Still say a Honda C90 is the best thing to happen to bikes.
[0:28] <strigel> my friend bought a chinese scooter, and almost left his nut sack on the road when the brakes locked up on the motorway
[0:28] <strigel> PReDiToR: yes, and they're great if you have a large supply of chip fat
[0:28] <slaeshjag> piless: It is apparently on the market now
[0:29] <strigel> how many bikes can run off chip fat?
[0:29] <Fragmint> actually, I rather like both british and italian bikes
[0:29] <strigel> vintage british bikes are awesome
[0:29] <piless> the smells is going to suck
[0:29] <mkopack> Ducati's are nice, but pricy???
[0:29] <Fragmint> theres a certain charm to italian engineering
[0:29] <mkopack> And friends who have had them have had issues with them
[0:30] <mkopack> (thought they ARE works of art to look at!)
[0:30] <mkopack> I'll take a Jap rice bike any day though???
[0:30] <mkopack> Sakai power!!!
[0:30] <PReDiToR> Friend of mine has a Busa. I'd love to kill myself on it.
[0:30] <strigel> I cycle, and the other day some dude on a bicycle went past me at about 40mph
[0:30] <mkopack> Busa is great in a straight line??? HORRIBLE in turns
[0:31] <strigel> turns out he had one of these with power assist
[0:32] <piless> what about a minsk?
[0:32] <strigel> I met him at the lights, he peddles like a b*stard for about 30 yards, then he's gone at car speeds
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[0:33] <Fernandos> hi
[0:33] <piless> Fernandos: go away
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[0:34] <Fernandos> ??
[0:34] <piless> Fernandos: !!
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[0:34] <Fernandos> why
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[0:34] <piless> because
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[0:35] <Fernandos> piless: don't get rude
[0:35] <piless> Fernandos: no
[0:36] * strigel hides behind his table
[0:36] <piless> where did that table come from?
[0:36] <piless> it wasn't here a minute ago
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[0:37] <strigel> where did what come from?
[0:37] <strigel> your attack on Fernandos?
[0:37] <piless> your table
[0:37] <PReDiToR> Yeah, what he said
[0:38] <strigel> It's a virtual table
[0:38] <piless> tables aren't allowed
[0:38] <piless> unless it has 3 or less legs
[0:38] <strigel> It's a look up table
[0:38] <piless> that's even worse
[0:38] <strigel> i'm doing some register poking
[0:38] <piless> drop it. now
[0:39] <strigel> ok. jeez
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[0:39] <PReDiToR> DROP TABLE ?
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[0:39] <Fernandos> I've preordered two rasperripi in 06.05.2011, do you have information if they are still available?
[0:39] <strigel> SHOW CREATE TABLE
[0:39] <piless> Fernandos: there are severe punishments for ordering more than one pie at this current time
[0:40] <mkopack> cough
[0:40] * piless hands mkopack some cough sweets
[0:40] <strigel> piless: how do you know you have the right fernandos?
[0:40] <piless> strigel: there's more than one?
[0:41] <strigel> yes, but they have a hive mind
[0:41] <piless> shit
[0:41] <mkopack> We are the Borg....
[0:41] <piless> I can't stand hive minds
[0:41] <piless> damn bees
[0:42] <strigel> that's why they need multiple pi's
[0:42] <piless> these hiveminds love getting out their pitchforks
[0:42] <strigel> show some sympathy
[0:42] <PReDiToR> We are Tech Support, impatience is futile.
[0:42] <piless> strigel: only if they use different payment methods
[0:42] <Fernandos> piless: immature.
[0:42] <piless> Fernandos: true
[0:42] <strigel> maturity is futile
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[0:43] <strigel> I went to mature babes dot come once
[0:43] <strigel> maturity is over rated
[0:43] <strigel> am I banned?
[0:43] <PReDiToR> dot come? Freud would love that one
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[0:43] <piless> I never understood why the borg bothered with integrating with bits of meat.
[0:44] <strigel> gah
[0:44] <piless> PReDiToR: PEDO
[0:44] <PReDiToR> For the same reason VOY uses gel packs. Biological neurons and organic systems are pretty cool.
[0:45] <PReDiToR> piless - ?
[0:45] <piless> gel packs are so overrated
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[0:46] <piless> except for use on bruises
[0:46] <strigel> what is voy? This voy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voy?
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[0:46] <PReDiToR> ST:VOY
[0:46] <PReDiToR> Voyager
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[0:47] <strigel> oh
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[0:47] <piless> kathern janeway should have been killed off in the pilot
[0:47] <strigel> damn she had a strong jaw
[0:47] <PReDiToR> Neelix ruined that show.
[0:48] <PReDiToR> JarJarNeelis=x.
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[0:48] <bnmorgan> gel packs of what?
[0:48] <strigel> neelix: head like a used condom
[0:48] <PReDiToR> Full of stuff I don't need to be exposed to?
[0:48] <piless> http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a6/Tuvix.jpg
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[0:50] <mkopack> Seven of 9 SAVED that show :)
[0:51] <des2> You just wanted to be assimilated by her
[0:51] <piless> magnificent tits
[0:51] <strigel> as we say in England: she had her knockers
[0:51] <strigel> damn, too slow
[0:51] <mkopack> Former co-worker of mine was married to a good friend of Jeri Ryan??? Whenever Jeri was in town they'd go shopping together (his wife + Jeri)
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[0:51] <piless> mkopack: WAS?
[0:51] <mkopack> pile: a lot of that was a majorly padded bra
[0:51] <mkopack> piless: well, I don't work with him anymore
[0:52] <piless> oh.. I was going to say.. who would leave her?
[0:52] <mkopack> piless: he was married to a woman who was a friend of Jeri, NOT TO Jeri herself! LOL
[0:52] <mkopack> Jeri Ryan actually has an autistic son
[0:52] <piless> no. 6 from battlestar galactica is hotter though.
[0:53] <mkopack> no boobs
[0:53] <mkopack> but certainly still sexy!
[0:53] <piless> http://thegeeksonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Cylon6.jpeg
[0:53] <strigel> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Number_Six_Tricia_Helfer.jpg
[0:53] <piless> she has boobs
[0:53] <PReDiToR> Better no boobs than fake boobs.
[0:55] <mkopack> holy crap this instructor can stretch out what should be a 10 minute discussion into a 2 hour lecture
[0:55] <piless> actually.. more recent jeri ryan photos remind me of that bitch skylar from breaking bad
[0:55] <piless> hate that woman soo much
[0:55] <bnmorgan> that's a professors job. obfuscate and confuse.
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[0:55] <des2> They must get paid by the hour
[0:56] <piless> Did the instructor also try to sell you their book?
[0:58] <mkopack> piless: No, I've been published more than this instructor!
[0:58] <mkopack> (she's pretty much an idiot)
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[1:00] <bnmorgan> those who can, do. those who can't, teach (no, i don't fully agree with the statement)
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[1:03] <strigel> doing involves some teaching
[1:04] <strigel> but people who remain in the academic establishment and never experience the outside world are often found to be lacking perspective
[1:04] <mkopack> yeah???
[1:08] <strigel> but I don't agree that Jeri Ryan's tits were padded
[1:08] <strigel> http://www.celebritywallpapers.org/wallpapers/jeriryan/jeri_ryan_7.jpg
[1:10] <strigel> wait, this is a better one:
[1:10] <strigel> http://www.celebritywallpapers.org/wallpapers/jeriryan/jeri_ryan_6.jpg
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[1:11] <piless> for these getting permission errors on strigels links, just press enter on the address bar to reload the link without the referral stuff
[1:12] <piless> strigel: they airbrushed the shit out of the first one
[1:13] * kallisti5 is now known as kallisdinner
[1:13] <strigel> piless: yes I can see that
[1:13] <chod> links work here
[1:13] <philh> so, we've given up on getting needlessly frustrated about computers we can't order and have started scrutinising boobs, now?
[1:13] <chod> hm boobs
[1:14] <strigel> oops, we've been busted
[1:14] <piless> philh: yes
[1:14] <philh> good good
[1:14] <strigel> busted, get it?
[1:14] <strigel> sorry
[1:14] <piless> strigel: those ones are almost the size of her torso, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nc28cCqZ08g/TlYsJEzdbhI/AAAAAAAAB-0/I7sFg8eqFkY/s1600/Jeri+Ryan+08.jpg
[1:14] <strigel> piless: you might have a point
[1:14] <chod> and you dont like that?
[1:15] <chod> or find it un nessessary ?
[1:15] <strigel> but the foundations are there, nobody can deny that
[1:15] <strigel> airbrush or not
[1:16] <piless> hmm found this one aswell http://templeofjennifer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/jeri_ryan_seacrest.jpg
[1:16] <strigel> dude, naw
[1:17] <strigel> he does look quite hot though
[1:18] <piless> bit of a butterface
[1:18] <strigel> paper bag?
[1:18] <strigel> lol
[1:18] <piless> definitely
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[1:20] <piless> strigel: what's your opinion on Jewel Staite?
[1:20] <strigel> aw, chod
[1:20] <strigel> sorry
[1:22] <strigel> piless: her acting, or her physical attractiveness (never met her, so know not much about her personality)
[1:22] <piless> strigel: she's so adorable
[1:23] <piless> all of the above
[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wish Steam had like Xbox controller interface where you could scroll through your games using just your xbox control
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[1:24] <strigel> piless: well she's more attractive than my wife in the pictures I've seen
[1:24] <strigel> I haven't seen any of her films...
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> Don't let your wife hear you say that... xD
[1:25] <strigel> and she looks like a nice person
[1:25] <strigel> marks out of two? I'd give her one. har har
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[1:25] <piless> strigel: She was in firefly, stargate atlantis
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> Wait...
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> which one was that
[1:26] <strigel> piless: yes I saw the IMDb site
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> oh!
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> The doctor
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> fucking hot >.>
[1:26] <strigel> Haven't seen any of those
[1:26] <piless> strigel: You've gotta watch firefly. Best western sci-fi series ever
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Except you know...
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> the networks didn't agree
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Canceling it after one season and all
[1:27] <piless> Yeah well, the sci-fi channel are run by dicks
[1:28] <piless> they have cancelled so many decent sci-fi series of the past couple of years
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[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> Then again they went and canceled SGU too
[1:28] <piless> they cancelled stargate universe *just* as it started to get good
[1:28] <strigel> I have never watched any of this stuff
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> They were starting to actually give it a story line... lol
[1:28] <strigel> don't really do tv
[1:29] <strigel> but I'm sure it's good
[1:29] <piless> GabrialDestruir: and less of the emotional bullshit
[1:29] <piless> it's stargate.. go through the fucking gate for once.
[1:29] <mkopack> Yeah SGU was ReALLY starting to get good!
[1:30] <strigel> <+piless> it's stargate.. go through the fucking gate for once.
[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> The emotional part of it was kind of a required thing...
[1:30] <strigel> I'm going to use that one on my wife
[1:30] <shirro> Most US shows keep running well after they have run out of ideas. Brit shows and Whedon shows do the opposite.
[1:30] <mkopack> At least Eli got to bang Gin...
[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> Especially considering the separation from the entire rest of the world
[1:30] <mkopack> But I feel so lost without my weekly does of Lt. Big Boobs
[1:30] <mkopack> dose
[1:31] <piless> I really didn't like how they blatantly used the same actors for different roles so much
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[1:31] <piless> It wasn't like star trek where they could get away with it with different alien make-up
[1:31] <mkopack> piless: All shows do that??? there are some people in the ST universe who have played like 6-8 different roles
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> Bah. Brit shows tick me off more than most american shows.
[1:32] <piless> mkopack: yeah but in star trek they looked different
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> and more than NBC shows
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:32] <mkopack> usually, yeah
[1:32] <strigel> Gabrial: tick me off means 'tell me off' to brits
[1:32] <strigel> lol
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[1:32] <piless> GabrialDestruir: What pisses you off about british shows?
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> Terra Nova got canceled too
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> and that had potential
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> They're so short .-.
[1:33] <strigel> anyone stateside here ever see Red Dwarf
[1:33] <piless> GabrialDestruir: terra nova was shit.. it was watchable.. but still shit
[1:33] <shirro> Doctor Who keeps reusing people as well. Amy Pond and Martha both reused. Colin Baker and a Romana were reused.
[1:33] <GabrialDestruir> I've watched a lot of brit shows that are only like 8 episodes per season or 6 or 3 .-.
[1:33] <strigel> Red Dwarf was funny
[1:33] <mkopack> I <3 Amy Pond
[1:33] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[1:33] <mkopack> strigel: Yeah, I saw that a long time ago??? it was quirky
[1:33] <strigel> and they took on big concepts on a low budget and pulled it off
[1:34] <piless> GabrialDestruir: They don't have the same sort of budget as hollywood
[1:34] <philh> i've watched a lot of US programmes where the actual storyline progressing content could have fitted in 6 or 8 episodes but the series ran for 23
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> In the old days, Doctor Who Companions use to get more than one or two seasons.... >.>
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
[1:34] <piless> Red dwarf was great, but the guy who played dave lister was a massive cunt
[1:34] <shirro> Not sure if walking dead refers to the story or the writers wroom
[1:35] <strigel> piless: yes he was, still is
[1:35] <mkopack> Gabv: Yeah ,but that constantly changing dynamic between the Dr. and the Companions, both of who change regularly keeps things interesting
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> I kind of wish that Doctor Who would go to the old broadcasting format...
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> With like 6 episodes a storyline....
[1:36] <Thorn_> that's far too much dedication for the average viewer
[1:36] <philh> that worked fairly well for the last torchwood that didn't suck
[1:36] <piless> Anyone here watch fringe?
[1:36] <mkopack> Eh, I kinda like the new format??? the way they can tie an entire season together in some way that you just don't expect??? It's wild how they do it
[1:36] <strigel> away from Sci Fi, any yanks here watch Spaced?
[1:36] <philh> i didn't bother with the last series
[1:36] <Thorn_> piless: yes
[1:36] <mkopack> piless: Yup, Sad that it's ending soon
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> and by storyline I mean what we consider one episode these days
[1:36] <philh> piless, i've been trying to, it's getting harder and harder
[1:36] <piless> philh: I still love it.
[1:36] <Thorn_> mkopack: ending soon? it just started again.
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[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> Fringe is ending too? .-.
[1:37] <mkopack> Fringe is ENDING. like, end of series??? only like 4 eps left
[1:37] <Thorn_> they confused it up too much
[1:37] <shirro> strigel: Another classic. Nearly everyone from Spaced has appeared in Doctor Who now.
[1:37] <mkopack> it's on hiatus for right now due to the NCAA tournament
[1:37] <piless> mkopack: fuuuuuuuck
[1:37] <mkopack> I hear they're talking about redoing Blake's 7??? I enjoyed that show
[1:37] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... I'm quickly running out of TV shows to watch.
[1:37] <piless> GabrialDestruir: GAME OF THRONES
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> No HBO
[1:38] <philh> it just feels like a crappy remake of the x-files and i find their version of science rather annoying, but then maybe i'd have felt the same about the x-files had i watched it for the first time now
[1:38] <mkopack> And they cancelled Terra Nova
[1:38] <shirro> Blake's 7 doesn't hold up to rewatching. The budget was just too low.
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> I liked Terra Nova...
[1:38] <piless> GabrialDestruir: download it or bluray
[1:38] <PReDiToR> I would be sceptical about redoing Blake's 7. Although Paul Darrow had the rights for ages and tried to get them picked up
[1:38] <piless> game of thrones is amazing
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> I think it had serious potential to be continued into a second season at least
[1:38] <philh> "yes, he's invisible because he's an octopus, and he's giving himself melanin therapy in the basement with a bathtub"
[1:38] <PReDiToR> Game of Thrones is just violence and Pr0n, same as Spartacus.
[1:38] <mkopack> I think B7 could be done well with proper budget these days??? It was just hard to do on the low budget with the SFX needed to pull it off back then
[1:39] <mkopack> Pred: And your point is???? LOL
[1:39] <piless> PReDiToR: Nu uh
[1:39] <philh> PReDiToR, and true blood, from what little i've seen of it
[1:39] <Thorn_> spartacus and game of thrones are great series
[1:39] <shirro> Blake's 7 would be best with a 2 season run (short UK seasons). The brits can't sustain long runs.
[1:39] <mkopack> true blood is stupid
[1:39] <strigel> wow B7, some of you guys are as old as me
[1:39] <GabrialDestruir> I hope Awake doesn't get canceled too soon....
[1:39] <strigel> how about Space 1999?
[1:39] <GabrialDestruir> that looks like it's going to be an interesting series
[1:39] <mkopack> I VAGUELY remember Space 1999 as a kid
[1:40] <mkopack> The 2nd season just went too crazy
[1:40] <strigel> Me too, I think it was based on the Moon
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> But... considering it's an NBC show -sighs-
[1:40] <piless> Because George R. R. Martin doesn't give a shit about which characters he kills off, it makes it so much more interesting.. you're not going to get the stereotypical protagonist who always saves the day.
[1:40] <shirro> Firefly was a better remake of Blake's 7 than any other remake is likely to be.
[1:40] <philh> hmm, i've probably encountered repeats of space 1999 at some point, it looks vaguely familiar
[1:40] <strigel> It's so 1999, don't bother
[1:40] <Thorn_> they still show space 1999 on the tv alot here
[1:41] <mkopack> yes, it was based on the moon. The premise was that we stored all our Nuke Waste on the moon, and it exploded and broke the moon into 2 and the half with the base was blasted out into the galaxy...
[1:41] <Thorn_> at ~ 8/9 am for some reason
[1:41] <philh> Thorn_, which channel?
[1:41] <Thorn_> no idea
[1:41] <strigel> how about pigs in space on the muppets? It was better than battle star galactica!
[1:41] <piless> mkopack: so no more tides? that would suck
[1:41] <GabrialDestruir> Grimm ^_^
[1:41] <Thorn_> i just recall still seeing it alot whilst channel flicking in the morning
[1:41] <philh> i've just started on grimm, could be okayish, we'll see
[1:41] <Thorn_> just downloaded grimm
[1:42] <mkopack> The Big Bang Theory is hilarious, especially to us geeks
[1:42] <philh> supernatural has been pretty enjoyable, even with all the filler episodes that you expect from such a series
[1:42] <Thorn_> supernatural is great :D
[1:42] <piless> ugh, big bang theory is terrible
[1:42] <philh> hmm, i find the big bang theory quite annoying a lot of the time, especially because i'm a geek
[1:42] <GabrialDestruir> Grimms okay, but it's starting to get repetitive, the actual storyline is taking too long to progress I think
[1:42] <Thorn_> watched a few epis of big bang theory (well, tried too) but it's just terrible
[1:43] <Thorn_> worse than that other one
[1:43] <Thorn_> it guy or something
[1:43] <piless> mkopack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmLQaTcViOA
[1:43] <mkopack> I think it's hilarious! Mainly because Sheldon is just SO over the top and I know people just like him??? I WORK with people just like him
[1:43] <Thorn_> shows that try to be funny because its nerdy just doesnt work
[1:43] <Thorn_> dont work*
[1:43] <Thorn_> (i failed english)
[1:44] <strigel> phone shop
[1:44] <strigel> you get me? I don't fink u do bruv
[1:44] <piless> strigel: ?
[1:44] <philh> hmm, i never really got the hang of phone shop, seemed a bit crap
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> Except ya know
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> Big Bang Theory
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> which is on what, season 8 or something?
[1:45] <strigel> piless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmzH7mr9HM
[1:45] <philh> oh, mongrels, i must say that was quite good in places
[1:45] <mkopack> 7
[1:45] <strigel> piless: sorry, ads
[1:45] <Thorn_> mongrels became unbearable after about 2 episodes
[1:46] <piless> strigel: hmm.. I live in england and I've never heard of it
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> House is being canceled....
[1:46] <philh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUNFnjmP4o
[1:46] <piless> GabrialDestruir: House is too predictable
[1:47] <philh> to say the least
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> Alcatraz is okay.... but I don't think it'll really replace any of their existing shows.
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[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> The Finder is pretty good, if for no other reason than Walter.
[1:48] <philh> how's homeland? that looked fairly interesting, haven't got around to downloading any yet
[1:48] <Thorn_> alcatraz is ok but it's nothing special
[1:49] <piless> I'm finding this phoneshop hard to follow
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[1:49] <mkopack> I've heard good things about Homeland, but I've never seen it??? never really ever heard of it
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> Well it does have a twist from your usual murder bad guy/good guy scene....
[1:49] <strigel> piless: did you grow up in England?
[1:49] <piless> strigel: Yup
[1:51] <mkopack> YAY! Lecture done! Just need to take a quiz and finish up a project and I'm done with that class...
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> Primeval now there's a good show.
[1:51] <mkopack> And just need to take the final in the other next weekj
[1:51] <philh> jesus, really?
[1:51] <Thorn_> primeeval 'good'?
[1:52] <Thorn_> it's *terrible*
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> I think so, yes.
[1:52] <philh> that's the godawful one with someone out of s-club 7 and sam carter, right?
[1:52] <piless> GabrialDestruir is officially now not allowed to have an opinion on tv shows
[1:52] <Thorn_> yes
[1:52] <philh> agreed
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> Just what's wrong with Primeval?
[1:53] <philh> first tell us what's right with it
[1:53] <shirro> It isn't so much that primeval is bad as that there are thousands of shows which are better
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[1:53] <shirro> uk alone there are misfits, fades, being human, doctor who....
[1:53] <piless> hmm imdb gives it a 7.1
[1:53] <philh> oh, how was fades in the end?
[1:53] <piless> I liked misfits
[1:54] <philh> yeah, me too, but haven't seen the last series
[1:54] <piless> shame they replaced that one guy
[1:54] <philh> nathan?
[1:54] <piless> yeah
[1:54] <piless> although the new ones growing on me
[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> Okay I can agree with that, there are plenty of better shows....
[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> Bah, I can't stand the new guy
[1:55] <mkopack> BBIAB
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[1:56] <GabrialDestruir> Nathan was annoying but funny.... the new guy is just plain annoying.
[1:56] <piless> shit they're essentially replacing the cast for the fourth series
[1:56] <shirro> Is 2012 the first year ever where there are no good new scifi/fantasy shows coming out?
[1:56] <piless> wasn't that 2009?
[1:57] <GabrialDestruir> Neither Simon or Alisha are coming back... what with them being killed off
[1:58] <piless> http://b.asset.soup.io/asset/2683/4299_116b_390.gif
[1:58] <shirro> FFS. Blake disapeared from Blake's 7 after a season. Everyone in Being Human is dead. There have been 11 Doctors. I think a brit tv show can cover for a couple of actors.
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[1:59] <piless> shirro: You can't really compare the old doctor who with the new one
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> Doctor Who has an exception.....
[1:59] <piless> shirro: plus they lost a lot of the old episodes
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> A majority of the first two doctors
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[2:00] <piless> so you can NEVER ever watch an uncomplete doctor who marathon
[2:00] <piless> thanks to the bbc reusing some old tapes iirc
[2:00] <shirro> I hate the US star system/cult of personaltiy. Stories > personality. Losing actors can be a good thing for shows.
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> I downloaded all 26 Classic Seasons... Up until the third doctor it's a lot of recreations and crap .-.
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> A lot of old UK radio shows are now being broadcast by 'with the help of xxx'
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> as they were recorded by listners
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> I have a _lot_ of stuff on archive on get_iplayer
[2:02] <piless> if we ever develop the technology we could always send a probe out into space to where the radio/tv broadcast from that era have just reached and record them there :D
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[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> I happen to liked the Dr Who method of replacing an actor.... means they could theoretically infinitely continue the series....
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[2:03] <piless> GabrialDestruir: And they can keep the costs down
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise you get held hostage by stars.
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[2:03] <PReDiToR> Like Spooks (MI-5) could have, if they had carried on. They killed off loads of prime actors/actresses
[2:04] <piless> weren't they paying the friends cast something like a million dollars each per episode by the end?
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[2:06] <shirro> TV shows should kill off characters more often. In Dollhouse the star was clearly the worst and least interesting actor. They should have killed her off. Stupid system where the actors count for more than the story.
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[2:07] <PReDiToR> They don't make TV for geeks, they make it for the sheeple.
[2:07] <piless> that's why so many more shows are being down in canada in recent years because the actors are cheaper
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> That's a problem with a lot of TV shows though.... you can't just start killing everyone off, because you risk making too many people mad...
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[2:08] <piless> GabrialDestruir: In game of thrones they killed off sean bean before the first season ended :D
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[2:08] <mkopack> Yeah, SciFi (I REFUSE to call them Syfy) basically shoots EVERYTHING in Vancouver, B.C. to keep costs down
[2:09] <mkopack> piless: Yeah, I was SHOCKED by that
[2:09] <piless> I was really suprised he had signed up for that knowing he'd die straight away
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to read the books before I start watching that series though
[2:09] <piless> mkopack: Especially considering he's such a high profile actor
[2:09] <Thorn_> scifi (syfy) is a monopoly that needs to be burned down
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[2:09] <Thorn_> they have axed every good series.
[2:09] <mkopack> Yeah
[2:09] <RITRedbeard> cheesy for TV movies
[2:09] <mkopack> on both counts
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> They kept SGA going long enough...
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> ...
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> too long if you ask me.
[2:10] <mkopack> and WHO the F thought "Hey, Sci Fi fans must like Wrestling, right?"
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> Wheldon did an episode of Glee?
[2:10] <piless> that's why hbo can get away with making amazing series because they don't have to cater to advertisers as much
[2:10] <piless> amc has chucked out some great shows too
[2:10] <mkopack> piless: and they can get away with a lot more sex and blood and such
[2:10] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Have you seen breaking bad?
[2:10] <piless> mkopack: that helps :D
[2:10] <mkopack> Always!
[2:11] <GabrialDestruir> No.
[2:11] <shirro> Is there any new show this year that looks promising? Any? It is all mainstream procedurals, sitcoms and lost wannabees.
[2:11] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Watch it, the writing is as almost as good as the wire
[2:11] <RITRedbeard> If they had any sense they would re-air the original Twilight Zone, episode or two every night.
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[2:12] <piless> new season of game of thrones in april
[2:12] <mkopack> Really not much...
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> I think currently, all episodes are just what wasn't canceled last year
[2:12] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> most new shows start in fall
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> It could be worse.
[2:12] <piless> I'm still pissed off they cancelled all the stargate movies
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> Some things would be really challenging. For example - Discworld series.
[2:12] <RITRedbeard> They could have picked up "The Big Bang Theory"
[2:13] <PReDiToR> I wish I could disable certain channels on my VirginMedia box. SyFy would just ... evaporate.
[2:13] * RITRedbeard cringes.
[2:13] <piless> SpeedEvil: Considering the success of game of thrones, I'd expect they would be more open to that sort of thing in the future
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> piless: GOT is 'easy' - in some ways.
[2:14] <shirro> SpeedEvil: Sky did treasure island instead of discworld this year. I think tv scifi/fantasy is dead.
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> Discworld is a hell of a lot more random setbuilding.
[2:14] <piless> PReDiToR: On my freeview box I deleted all the channels I didn't like and ended up with about 7 :(
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> :/
[2:14] <RITRedbeard> piless, just like Pink Floyd!
[2:14] <piless> SpeedEvil: Would it work as a trilogy like lotr?
[2:14] <RITRedbeard> "And I've got thirteen channels of SHIT on the TV to choose from..."
[2:15] <piless> SpeedEvil: Even though there's like 20 books
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> piless: It's a huge pile of somewhat interconnected books. It's probably actually more suited to TV.
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps 3-4 episodes/book.
[2:15] <RITRedbeard> somewhat interconnected?
[2:15] <PReDiToR> piless - Dave +1, Dave Ja Vu and BBC 1,2, ITV 1, CH4 ?
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[2:15] <RITRedbeard> is the author a speed freak?
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Recurring chars over books, but not the same chars in every book.
[2:15] <shirro> SpeedEvil: There is color of magic, hogfather and going postal made
[2:15] <piless> PReDiToR: I need some bbc 4
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> shirro: The animated ones?
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> so basically the author does cocaine
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[2:16] <piless> more4 is good aswell at times
[2:16] <shirro> No, live action.
[2:16] <PReDiToR> If they closed BBC 3 and 4 we could have kept F1 =(
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: He's been going a long time.
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Oh - diddn't realise that.
[2:16] <shirro> Pratchet does guest appearances
[2:16] <philh> why do we need to keep F1?
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> Pern could be interesting too.
[2:16] <PReDiToR> Free to air is a good thing
[2:16] <PReDiToR> For a sport that makes our little island look good
[2:16] <RITRedbeard> the only recent television show that has interested me has been House
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> before that, Law & Order: SVU
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> Lost Girl.... there's a series that's pretty decent, the only series I know that focus directly on fae type creatures.
[2:17] <philh> it's just a silly waste of money
[2:17] <piless> he has alzheimer's
[2:17] <shirro> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1079959/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765458/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219817/
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> before that, nothing really contemporary... like The Twilight Zone
[2:17] <SpeedEvil> piless: :/
[2:17] <AdrianG> r u talking about movies
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> Modern Marvels is good, do you guys have a history channel?
[2:17] <RITRedbeard> or whatever
[2:18] <piless> SpeedEvil: But he made his own sword out of scratch from lumps of meteorite he found in a field
[2:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Mythbusters is always an interesting show to watch.
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:18] <philh> are there any myths left to bust after all these years?
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Plenty
[2:18] <bnmorgan> how did he know there was enough scratch in those meteorite lumps for a sword?
[2:18] <RITRedbeard> No, just boob shots of that girl.
[2:18] <philh> i used to watch it a fair bit, i guess i should see what it's like now
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> They mythbusters actually have the perfect gig....
[2:19] <PReDiToR> The myth that Chinese factories can bring a quality correct product at the right price, on time? <snigger>
[2:19] <piless> didn't they shut it down after that disaster?
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> if they ever run out of realistic "myths" or whatever
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> they have tv shows
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> and they can be all like "THIS WAS ON TV AND WE'RE GONNA SEE IF IT REALLY WORKS?!?!?"
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> On 'myths' - I'd recommend 'more or less' - on radio 4.
[2:20] <philh> oh, i remember the problem with downloading mythbusters, it was the american voiceover guy, unbearable, used to catch the uk version from time to time on tv
[2:20] <piless> there's been some myths that discovery haven't allowed them to do
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> The military channel is interesting to watch from time to time.
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00msxfl
[2:20] <philh> SpeedEvil, hasn't that been killed?
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> Especially to see how biased it is towards NATO.
[2:20] <AdrianG> whats the most mindfuck movie u ppl ever watched
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> RFID
[2:20] <RITRedbeard> A Scanner Darkly
[2:21] <philh> oh, or is that questions questions?
[2:21] <piless> I always loved city of god
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> philh: I'm not sure it's on R4 any more actually.
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> they were banned from doing a proper RFID myth to see how truly hackable they were.
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> philh: I get it from iplayer
[2:21] <RITRedbeard> GabrialDestruir, the credit card one? Yeah, they got shut down.
[2:21] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Yeah
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Cause Visa and Mastercard and all those sort of companies was all like "NO!"
[2:21] <philh> SpeedEvil, 'tis/'twas certainly an interesting listen
[2:21] <PReDiToR> Passports were hacked from distance first.
[2:22] <shirro> Lucky they didn't try and reverse engineer a Broadcom GPU.
[2:22] <piless> The algorithm they use to check cc numbers is common knowledge anyway
[2:22] <piless> shirro: email them :D
[2:23] <mkopack> Lovely, somebody is complaining in the forums that he ordered from Newark and was told estimated ship date June 31???
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> philh: I was deeply depressed on the one going into how bayesian statistics got outlawed.
[2:23] <mkopack> Well, DUH, wait a little longer to order why don't you??!?
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, except, it's believed if the mythbusters did it or w/e, that it'd be common knowledge HOW to do it, and whatever....
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> suddenly RFID hacking would jump
[2:23] * RITRedbeard makes a sad face.
[2:24] <piless> mkopack: I can't stand the forums.. The admins lock posts waaay too often
[2:24] <piless> "this topic has already been discussed before retard, you should have searched.. locking this now"
[2:24] <RITRedbeard> the forum software is terrible
[2:24] <mkopack> well, most of them get locked because it's stuff that's been talked about a bunch already. and the others because people are just bitching for the sake of bitching
[2:24] <RITRedbeard> unless you are running 640x480 resolution
[2:24] <piofcube> I don't think the hackers need mythbusters to tell them RFID hacking is possible LOL
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: VEry, very terrible.
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> I hate people that do that -.-
[2:25] <mkopack> they're supposed to change to a new forums system soon
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir> "You should use the search!"
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> I hate that usenet has mostly died.
[2:25] <piless> mkopack: they should step back a bit and let threads die naturally.
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, I'll let you in on the internal pirate network here at university.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> DEcentralised multihost system that one admin can't cock up, and that you can have arbitrary newsreaders on.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: I don't care about binaries.
[2:25] <Fragmint> Usenet will never die!
[2:25] <piless> SpeedEvil: I've found google groups to be quite good for usenet
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> Something like 70TiB of shared information
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> Oh.
[2:25] <shirro> My ISP is threatening to get rid of their usenet service. Last of their kind.
[2:25] <philh> SpeedEvil, i'm not sure i've heard that one, when you say you got them from iplayer, are past programmes archived or have you just been scheduling a get_iplayer pvr run?
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> pvr
[2:26] <piless> shirro: virgin media have a 7 day usenet retention
[2:26] <philh> i used to do that, really should start again
[2:26] <piofcube> virgin media's website is the slowest server I've ever used :S
[2:27] <piless> piofcube: yeah but it's free
[2:27] <shirro> I think I just get proxies to astranews or something on mine. Can't complain.
[2:27] <Fragmint> theres one service I know of that gives out free 1mbps accounts
[2:27] <piless> You could always pay for giganews or whatever they're calling themselves nowadays
[2:27] <Fragmint> gotta be ballin for giganews, they want like $50/mo!
[2:27] <piofcube> I mean just for paying bills/checking mobile phone details etc... It better be free
[2:28] <piless> piofcube: Oh, you weren't refering to their usenet servers?
[2:28] <piofcube> lol.. no
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> philh: The latest one still cites the radio 4 version - but says tehy are making specials for world service. This one was 'Is apple worth more than poland'
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> -sighs-
[2:28] * Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc18-reig4-2-0-cust124.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering if I should call up Verizon and start complaining again.
[2:28] <piless> GabrialDestruir: no
[2:28] <AdrianG> giganews is piracy
[2:28] <AdrianG> nothing else
[2:28] <piless> GabrialDestruir: How long have you been with them?
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:29] <piofcube> Anyone know if Fidonet is still going?
[2:29] <AdrianG> it is
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> Long enough I shouldn't have to wait 3 months for them to fix a "congestion" issue
[2:29] <piless> GabrialDestruir: If you've been with them for absolutely ages you can probably get them to give you more by threatening to leave
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[2:29] * piofcube tries to remember his fidonet address
[2:30] <Fragmint> I won't mention who I'm with but my credit card expired without me noticing (had it on auto rebill)
[2:30] <AdrianG> dont hurt ur brain
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> My issue isn't that I'm not getting enough from them.... only that I'm not getting the service I'm paying for during the evening hours -.-
[2:30] <Fragmint> my accounts still going... a year later
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> wasn't there a torrent of geocities when it went down?
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> it was like the collection of pages, a snapshot
[2:30] <AdrianG> lol wow
[2:30] <philh> SpeedEvil, --pvr-add "more or less" should hoover them up as they appear, right?
[2:30] <AdrianG> a torrent of geocities
[2:30] <piless> wikipedia says the russians still use fidonet
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> philh: yes
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> sounds undesirable, doesn't it?
[2:30] <AdrianG> sneaky russians
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> philh: I think you need to double it
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> philh: Or you may create a wildcard download called "more or less"
[2:30] <piofcube> lol... yeah, talk about pot-luck... geocities
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> philh: So --pvr-add "more or less" "more or less"
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[2:31] <piless> Fragmint: Shouldn't they send you a new card in the most a couple months before it expires?
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> Wow, my router has been up for 21 days...
[2:31] <piless> *post
[2:31] <RITRedbeard> surprised there aren't more tin-foil hatters here.
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> philh: Also recommended - 'a life scientific' 'thinking allowed'
[2:32] <philh> hmm, yes, i appear to have started downloading everything
[2:32] * piofcube watches as philh downloads the Internet
[2:32] <piless> you can download wikipedia
[2:32] <Fragmint> piless, they did
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> BBC iplayer is not downloadable for most people with normal connections.
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> At least if they have quotas.
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> And not really, really large disks
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> Ugh....
[2:33] <Fragmint> I had a ton of services on autorebill and didnt notice that my newsgroups were as well because they never got cut off
[2:33] <philh> SpeedEvil, yes, i've enjoyed a few life scientifics and listen to thinking allowed when bored
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> My phone isn't connecting to the interwebz
[2:33] <piofcube> I wish the BBC would re-encode their older stuff that's in real format *yuk*
[2:33] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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[2:33] * PiBot sets mode +v genbattle_
[2:34] <Fragmint> ewww... rmvb is the devils format
[2:34] <piless> Do any of you americans watch it crowd?
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: Some of it is from sources that are _really_ bad.
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[2:34] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: 'The Navy Lark' - listened to occasionally. And 'Men from the ministry'
[2:34] <piofcube> lol
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> I powered cycled it, trying it again
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> bah
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> stupid network...
[2:35] <philh> never really enjoyed those two, round the horne's ok though
[2:36] <piless> GabrialDestruir: shake it
[2:36] <piofcube> that's okay... ITMA was fun
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[2:36] <philh> i really wish they'd dig out weekending
[2:36] <philh> not that i remember it terribly well, but it would be interesting to hear
[2:38] * kallisti5 is now known as kallisiquit
[2:38] * kallisiquit is now known as kallisti5
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it'd help to get the right ethernet port
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[2:38] * shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) Quit (Quit: shirro)
[2:39] <piofcube> I might get round to re-writing my script submission to the BBC
[2:39] <piless> piofcube: Reckon they actually read it?
[2:39] <piofcube> yes... it was passed onto one of their script readers
[2:39] <kallisti5> piofcube: it crowd == win
[2:40] <piofcube> got a 3 page review of it
[2:40] <kallisti5> piofcube: o.O
[2:40] <kallisti5> my pi ships tomorrow!!!!!
[2:40] <piless> piofcube: what's it about?
[2:40] * kallisti5 does his happy dance
[2:40] <piofcube> They weren't sure if it was a comedy or a drama...
[2:40] <piless> kallisti5: they lied
[2:40] <piless> piofcube: lol
[2:40] <kallisti5> piless: nah.. it's always said the 13th :)
[2:41] <piofcube> it was a comedy which should be delivered as a straight drama
[2:41] <kallisti5> I ordered the morning after @ 7am
[2:41] * pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@ Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)
[2:41] <kallisti5> Expected Ship Date
[2:41] <kallisti5> 13 Mar 2012
[2:41] <Fragmint> ouch
[2:41] <piless> kallisti5: they got ripped off the factory, who replaced all the ethernet sockets with cabbages
[2:41] <kallisti5> noes!
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> The morning after and you got march 13?
[2:41] * kallisti5 hates cabbages
[2:41] <Fragmint> I'm waiting till payday this week to order a few, I'm afraid to think of when they'll arrive
[2:42] <kallisti5> GabrialDestruir: yeah. i cheated
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> I ordered it the morning of and I'm April 16th
[2:42] <piless> but seriously, it's not being sent tomorrow
[2:42] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Depends on which country you're from
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> That's stupid
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[2:42] <kallisti5> GabrialDestruir: I found the item code... searching the newark site didn't show an pi's... but when I entered the newark model number... bam!
[2:42] <kallisti5> *any pi's
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> I hate export.farnell -.-
[2:44] <piless> I hate uk.farnell
[2:45] <piless> new blog post!
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> I hate Asda.
[2:46] <kallisti5> http://imagebin.org/203162
[2:46] <piless> asda is full of ugly people
[2:46] <piofcube> I emailed tesco yesterday asking to delete my account.
[2:47] <piless> kallisti5: Hi Alexander Von Gluck
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> I hate how there's such a huge difference with newark dates and farnell dates and etc
[2:47] <kallisti5> lol
[2:47] <kallisti5> eh.
[2:47] <piofcube> I found out they store passwords in plain text... so that's a big no no
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> Tesco actually provide an API to get product and stock info.
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> So store your own password as a md5 hash? >.>
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:48] <kallisti5> I called a few days later and they said the $20 fee would be removed
[2:48] <piless> SpeedEvil: Probably for shopping apps
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> piless: yes.
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> But you can use it for your own stuff.
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> I have it logging all prices daily.
[2:48] <piless> SpeedEvil: It would be stupid for them not to do it, it can only benefit them
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> And pinging me if special offers occur on my basket.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> - I'm shopping only online once every 3-4 weeks.
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, that is pretty awesome.
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> Marry it with wolfram|alpha and QUANTIFY AND COMPUTE EVERYTHING!
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.techfortesco.com/forum/index.php#2
[2:49] <piless> SpeedEvil: I found out from this channel that they have drive-thru super markets in america
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> We have those?
[2:50] <piless> RITRedbeard: Apparently
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> You can do barcode -> product lookup too.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Wha?
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> Which is nice.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> We discussing APi again?
[2:50] <piless> SpeedEvil: Tesco is so unbelievably massive though
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> piless: yes.
[2:50] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Hush
[2:51] <RITRedbeard> Zing.
[2:51] * Calyp (~Calyp@unaffiliated/calyptratus-tzm) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:51] <RITRedbeard> Someone should take a picture or bake a real raspberry pi and put a few on ebay
[2:51] <RITRedbeard> see what happens
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> The ultimate in Artificle Intelligence bahaha
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: I was pondering doing that.
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Credit card sized raspberry pies.
[2:52] <RITRedbeard> more like raspberry muffins
[2:52] <piofcube> r-pi jelly moulds :-)
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> Credit card sized - not depth
[2:52] <piless> Would these mcdonalds apple pies be the right size?
[2:52] <RITRedbeard> more like a scone
[2:52] <RITRedbeard> I think so
[2:52] * SpeedEvil has ~10Kg of frozen raspberries in the freezer.
[2:52] <piless> mcdonalds apple pies are the hottest thing on earth
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[2:53] <RITRedbeard> black raspberries make awesome shakes
[2:53] <piless> Does anyone else hate really long quit messages?
[2:53] * piofcube wonders why pizza-dude joins... he has never seen him speak
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> I'm also making my own yogurt.
[2:53] <RITRedbeard> The real world is just a game?
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> 50% natural yogurt, a little sugar, and 50% blackcurrants.
[2:53] <RITRedbeard> A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
[2:53] <RITRedbeard> How about a nice game of chess?
[2:54] <piless> piofcube: Maybe he joined during the launch and forgot to leave
[2:54] <piofcube> damn.. you beat me to it
[2:54] <piofcube> lol
[2:54] <RITRedbeard> "launch"
[2:54] <mkopack> OOH! New show on Discovery with Adam + Jamie from Mythbusters, called "Unchained Reaction"
[2:54] <mkopack> Starts Wed
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Really?
[2:54] <piless> mkopack: Quick.. synopsis. NOW
[2:54] <RITRedbeard> For whatever reason, that show name made me think of a mythbuster spoof that was an adult film
[2:55] <RITRedbeard> probably because I am growing tired and weary
[2:55] <piless> RITRedbeard: Like shaving ryans privates?
[2:55] <mkopack> piless: basically 2 teams of :builders are given some sort of challenge by Adam+Jamie
[2:55] <RITRedbeard> Exactly.
[2:55] <mkopack> Just saw the commercial for it
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> On what wednesday?
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> I don't see it .-.
[2:55] <piless> mkopack: So scrapheap challenge?
[2:56] <mkopack> eh, seems like a cross between that and a myth buster build
[2:56] <RITRedbeard> piless, but at the end with Jamie, Adam, and Kari, at the VERY end...
[2:56] <RITRedbeard> "Oh, I guess she DOES swallow! MYTH BUSTED!"
[2:57] <RITRedbeard> PG13 be damned.
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> XXX Mythbusters?
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[2:58] <mkopack> Kari's very first episode/scene on Mythbusters was them making a foam mold of her ass :)
[2:58] <mrdragons> Wonder what they did with the mold afterwards. >_>
[2:58] <mkopack> lol
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> I still prefer her Mentos Coke thing.....
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[2:59] <RITRedbeard> hahahaaha
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> oh my lord
[2:59] * nullvo1d (milkman@ Quit (Quit: rebooting)
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> I have people in multiple IRC networks chuckling and making jokes
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> <nulluser> Peter Voltmeter and Rick Resistor in .... Unchained Reaction - The KY Connection
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[2:59] <mkopack> Red: LOL!
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[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> I mean honstly, Kari in sexy underwears and a lab coat >.>
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> She did a thing of Maxim, if I remember correctly.
[3:00] <mkopack> yup
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> I had the images. My girlfriend was not happy.
[3:00] <mkopack> Which is what Gab was referencing
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> not happy
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> Was that for maxim?
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> yeah I think it was a 3 or 4 page piece
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.torontopics.com/co/karifhm1.jpg
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> This silence is uncomfortable because either everyone is fapping or looking for it.
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> Heh.
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> Nope.
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> Now they're all fapping :p
[3:02] <RITRedbeard> In that picture she looks like the girl who played uhh...
[3:03] <RITRedbeard> Jay's love interest in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
[3:03] <mkopack> Lt. Big Boobs from Stargate Universe was topless in a movie as well. Those pics are online :)
[3:03] <piofcube> lol.. i have visited maxim a couple of times when I mis-typed the site for maxam's ICs
[3:03] <mkopack> just search for her real name and topless
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> Probably all trying to figure out if they can convince her to test the "myth" of the female orgasm >.>
[3:03] <mkopack> Gab: the G spot.. lol
[3:03] <PReDiToR> Claudia Black naked?
[3:03] <mkopack> It exists :)
[3:03] <mkopack> Not Claudia Black!
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[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> That too :p
[3:04] <mkopack> although she's not bad...
[3:04] <piofcube> maybe one day maxim will start giving away free samples too LOL
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[3:05] <Ben64> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1365460/
[3:05] <piofcube> most of my ICs from maxam has been free samples
[3:05] <mkopack> Ben: Yup
[3:05] <Fragmint> olivia munn recently had some nudie pictars leaked
[3:05] <mkopack> So look up her name and topless
[3:05] <Ben64> already have the movie
[3:05] <Ben64> err
[3:05] <Ben64> tv show
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> Damn yet another celebrity has had leaked naked photos
[3:06] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi has gone the way of the OLPC!
[3:06] <RITRedbeard> PORN!
[3:06] <Fragmint> sure that caused a few nerdgasms
[3:06] <Ben64> olivia munn, christina hendricks
[3:06] <RITRedbeard> All those children in those countries looking at porn online!
[3:06] <PReDiToR> Oh crap, do we have Rule 34 of the RasPi yet?
[3:06] <Fragmint> although if you eat hotdogs on live tv as part of your day job its kinda anti-climactic when that happens
[3:06] <RITRedbeard> We don't even have our RPi computers yet and it has started!
[3:06] <Ben64> olivia munn was disappointing
[3:06] <mkopack> Ben: LOL I have to say those are NICE
[3:07] <Ben64> the chick from glee
[3:07] <Fragmint> I hate to say it but I hold too much respect for geek celebs to want to see nudie pictures of them
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> heh
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[3:07] <Fragmint> I like this SFW image with a geek god: http://techbuket.net/332
[3:08] * SpeedEvil suddenly imagines RMS naked.
[3:08] * Fragmint vomits
[3:08] * philh attempts to revive SpeedEvil
[3:08] <mkopack> EEEW!
[3:08] * PReDiToR has quit: sick at the thought
[3:08] <Fragmint> oh god, I can't get it out of my head
[3:08] <mkopack> KILL IT !!! KILL IT!!!!
[3:08] * Fragmint reaches for the eye-bleach
[3:08] <PReDiToR> What has been seen can never be unseen
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[3:09] <Fragmint> its eating my brains!
[3:09] <PReDiToR> Zombie Attack!
[3:09] <piless> what
[3:09] <PReDiToR> Zombie RMS is attacking!
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[3:09] <Ben64> cool, it only took them 13 days to announce the actual price of r-??
[3:09] <piless> err
[3:09] <mkopack> New posting on Rpi front page!
[3:10] <RITRedbeard> DDOS time
[3:10] <RITRedbeard> I mean uh,
[3:10] <piless> mkopack: I mentioned that earlier D:
[3:10] <mkopack> Ah, I must have missed it...
[3:12] <mkopack> Wow, RS was still getting 10 orders PER MINUTE as of yesterday
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[3:12] <mkopack> rather 10 "interest registrations"
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder....
[3:12] <mkopack> and have > 200,000 so far
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> If Jamie and Adam are going to this new show
[3:12] <mkopack> Of course, given how UNRESPONSIVE they've been I'm sure plenty of those are duplicates
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> does that mean mythbusters is over?
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> unobtainium
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> Unobtainium... xD
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> I suggest several of us break into their warehouse or the supply van before it gets there and steal an entire batch.
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> Except.....
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> that wouldn't work
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> Why the hell not?
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> they don't have a warehouse that actually has Pi
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> Well, when they get one in like ten years I mean.
[3:14] <piless> RITRedbeard: If you're going to break into their warehouse anyway they probably have more expensive stuff that $35 pis
[3:14] <Ben64> its not about the money
[3:14] <Ben64> we just want pi
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> when the train goes through the orient, they put the sack on the camel's back and ride across Arabia
[3:14] <PReDiToR> No, don't. One of those is mine =/
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> In 10 years you'd be better off just getting the 10 dollar wrist watch....
[3:15] <Ben64> i thought i'd have one by now to use as a media center
[3:15] <Fragmint> what are you going to play with it?
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> when they pass the Alps and go to the beaches of Normandy by ferry...
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> which has an equivalent 10Ghz x86 Processor
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> that is when we shall strike
[3:15] <Ben64> x86?
[3:15] <Ben64> ha.
[3:15] <mkopack> hehe, I'm installing LXDE on my Sheeva Plug...
[3:15] <mkopack> Figure I can just export the display to my Mac's
[3:15] <mkopack> Gonna try Netbeans on it
[3:16] <piless> Am I the only one who thinks LXDE is really ugly?
[3:16] <PReDiToR> After Wintel have mangled x86 for all these years, massaging the minds of sheeple into higher and higher clock speeds, do you really want anything more to do with x86?
[3:16] <mkopack> ugly, but pretty lightweight all things considered
[3:16] <Fragmint> thats almost as bad as when I installed gentoo on my VIA EPIA with a 533mhz C3
[3:16] <mkopack> Frag: Um, that's about what we're getting out of the Rpi you know?
[3:16] <piless> mkopack: I'd much prefer a solid colour than that ugly gradient they've got in their stock theme
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> Pi was a great proof of concept....
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> but ya know...
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> not so great for consumers
[3:17] <Fragmint> C3 = emulated FPU
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[3:17] <Fragmint> it took 3 days to compile X, Oo.org and Firefox
[3:17] <PReDiToR> my Via Artigo with C7 1GHz ran Gentoo fine
[3:17] <piless> chrome > firefox
[3:17] <Ben64> lxde looks the same as any other
[3:17] <Fragmint> the main issue is the C3 isnt even 686
[3:17] <PReDiToR> But I did move it over to Arch.
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[3:18] <Fragmint> gotta compile for 586 and not a lot of optimizations you can do
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFUbe0NuQ-s&feature=player_embedded
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> I was thinking about getting another SoC/computer on a board that was I think on RS's site
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> whatever site had the better layout
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> they have quite the selection
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[3:20] <RITRedbeard> well, it opened my eyes to what is out there
[3:20] <piless> wait.. are they supposed to be building rube goldberg machines?
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly it's machines of a predetermined theme
[3:21] <Ben64> sounds fun
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> or well "contraptions"
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> which involve various chane reactions
[3:22] <Ben64> i'd like to build something like that
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> chain*
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[3:27] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[3:27] <piless> hmmmm
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> this talk of lack of RPi is making me think of SoCs at RS/Farnell or thin clients on ebay
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[3:29] <piless> Well one of the benefits of the rpi would be that such massive popularity is going to get a lot of deving
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> That....
[3:30] <RITRedbeard> yeah price is the only thing making it popular, though
[3:30] <piless> RITRedbeard: So if you ever encountered a problem, there would be a 98% chance that someone else had already encountered the problem, blogged about it and recieved and answer
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> or a lot of people are going to realize they don't want it....
[3:30] <RITRedbeard> a lot of people just want to run XBMC or something.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> and 1,000,000 of them will end up on ebay
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:30] <RITRedbeard> I just want to ROCK! \m/
[3:31] <piless> RITRedbeard: Why can't be have both?
[3:31] <piless> Both soft and hard tacos for everyone!
[3:31] <RITRedbeard> well you apply that concept to open source software
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[3:31] <RITRedbeard> doesn't work out so well :(
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> I want XBMC
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> :(
[3:31] <piless> fuck you and your advertising quit message
[3:31] <ksx4system> fuck XBMC
[3:32] <ksx4system> pure textmode Debian FTW!
[3:32] <Fragmint> screw that
[3:32] <Fragmint> I output my console over serial to a daisy wheel
[3:32] <ksx4system> lol!
[3:32] <Tachyon> that's brave, cursing at someone when they've already left, lol
[3:32] <piless> ksx4system: neckbeard much?
[3:32] <RITRedbeard> I want to actually help RPF by using RPi to resurrect old laptops that would now be considered ultraportable or netbooks.
[3:33] <piofcube> some standard laptop display cable would have made that so easy
[3:33] <RITRedbeard> I output my console to LED panel
[3:33] <RITRedbeard> Well, I'm not an EE.
[3:34] <RITRedbeard> Someone make PCB and circuit to do TMDS --> LVDS for $20 and we're in business.
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:34] <piless> RITRedbeard: Maybe one day when there's a cheap 3d printer for printing pcbs
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> Pi to ressurect old laptops?
[3:34] <RITRedbeard> It's more likely to happen than you think.
[3:35] <ksx4system> GabrialDestruir, just to do DIY laptop/tablet ;)
[3:35] <piless> Any 10 year old laptop is more powerful than the pi
[3:35] <ksx4system> for fun, nothing less and nothing more
[3:35] <RITRedbeard> ehhh
[3:35] <ksx4system> piless: WTF? bullshit
[3:35] <RITRedbeard> some of them, yes
[3:35] <ksx4system> 10 y/o x86 computers are quite slow
[3:36] <ksx4system> and if we're not talking about 100% highend ones...
[3:36] <piless> Juat bang puppy on 'em.. job done
[3:36] <ksx4system> ...what piless said is pure bullshit
[3:36] <piless> *just
[3:36] <RITRedbeard> but the pi would last many times longer in battery life
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[3:36] <ksx4system> +1 to RITRedbeard :)
[3:36] <Fragmint> 10 years old would be a P4-M...
[3:36] * Fragmint shudders
[3:36] <piless> RITRedbeard: Good luck finding a replacement battery for these old laptops
[3:36] <RITRedbeard> also the GPU compute performance is quite good if there is some API
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[3:37] <piofcube> all those laptops with water damage/etc would benefit from being R-Pi'd to get them working again
[3:37] <ksx4system> Fragmint, not bad for server usage
[3:37] <Fragmint> I hates them!
[3:37] <ksx4system> but for desktop it's worst slowpoke
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> piless, you have to either do some battery trickery and do a tap or make your own from dead ones
[3:37] <Fragmint> pentium 4's in laptops always overheated... the fans constantly went out or got clogged from them running constantly... the battery life was horrible...
[3:37] <piless> by now all these laptop batteries will be virtually dead
[3:37] <ksx4system> +1, again
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> right
[3:38] <RITRedbeard> you replace the cells
[3:38] <Fragmint> you can always get some cells
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> I have a computer that could probably use a r-Pi hack....
[3:38] <RITRedbeard> but from what I've researched, it seems like it would be easier to make it a completely 5VDC system
[3:38] <philh> what's pure bullshit?
[3:38] <piless> philh: me
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> it'd be nice if you could get it so you could use all the existing peripheals.... just remove the MB and use the Keyboard/Pad/Screen
[3:39] <piofcube> the older laptops tended to have a larger battery space... that would make it ideal to add better bat capacity using today's tech
[3:39] <piless> laptop keyboards are just ps2 right?
[3:39] <philh> the raspi is a decidedly weedy little thing, i'm not sure piless is far wrong
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[3:39] <piofcube> piless: I've seen some with direct array connections to the keyboard membrane
[3:39] <Fragmint> would be nice to have a portable one
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[3:40] <piless> Not to mention the frustration of recompiling everything for arm
[3:40] <Thorn_> the raspberry pi is extremely powerful
[3:40] <piless> Thorn_: My phone is more powerful
[3:40] <philh> Thorn_, if you happen to have full access to its gpu
[3:40] <RITRedbeard> the Raspberry Pi is OK in performance. The CPU is a bit anemic.
[3:40] <piofcube> more powerful or just ported to that exact hardware?
[3:41] <RITRedbeard> If you want more CPU power, go to Cortex-A8
[3:41] <Thorn_> piless: but what OS does your phone run?
[3:41] <piless> Thorn_: linux
[3:41] <piless> in the form of android
[3:41] <philh> most phones are more powerful
[3:41] <Thorn_> android - exactly
[3:41] <Thorn_> that makes up for however more powerful the hardware in your phone is
[3:41] <Fragmint> isnt there an x86 port of android?
[3:41] <Fragmint> wait... scratch that last statement
[3:41] <piofcube> but then... how long does your phone take to boot from cold LOL
[3:41] <piless> I think there's an effort to port meego to some android devices
[3:42] <Thorn_> piless: ~36s for my android phone
[3:42] <philh> that's pretty quick
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> Like 5 minutes for mine xD
[3:42] <Thorn_> yeah but it lags like a bitch for 2 minutes afterwards
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[3:42] <philh> ah
[3:42] <piless> the pi wouldn't boot up any faster
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[3:42] <piless> the sheevaplug takes 2 mins to boot
[3:42] <Thorn_> it should
[3:42] <Thorn_> it doesn't have to boot android.
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[3:43] <Thorn_> android is a steaming pile of crap that can diaf
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> You won't know how long it takes the pi to boot until you have one and boot it
[3:43] <piless> GabrialDestruir: I'm comparing it to similar devices
[3:43] <Thorn_> my phone is an armv6 800mhz, the pi is an armv6 700mhz
[3:44] <Thorn_> my phone's cpu has plenty of umf tbh
[3:44] <Fragmint> isnt armv6 roughly twice as powerful clock for clock as the v5?
[3:44] <Thorn_> the pi should be fine
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> Actually it's said that the pi's processor could vary...
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> could get up to like 800 or 900 maybe
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[3:45] <piless> Thorn_: It sucks that the new chrome browser won't run on an armv6
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> NO CHROME FOR PI?!?!? Scandulous! >.<
[3:45] <Thorn_> only a masochist wants to use chrome anyway
[3:45] <mkopack> Gab: 800 should be doable without voltage adjustment??? more will probably trequire adjusting the voltages though
[3:45] <RITRedbeard> Is there anyone here who hasn't seen my image slideshow/gallery?
[3:45] <piofcube> I still say that comparing a phone OS and something like the Pi will depend on what's being loaded at boot and how the software is ported/compiled for that particular platform
[3:45] <RITRedbeard> I didn't take/make the pictures but I compiled them.
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[3:46] <piless> I'm talking about the mobile chrrome they released for android
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> It's said Hexxeh will be porting ChromeOS to Pi, that'd be interesting. lol
[3:46] <piless> desktop chrome is amazing
[3:46] <Thorn_> never found a requirement to change from the default android browser
[3:46] <mrdragons> Porting chrome? All by himself? 0_o
[3:47] <RITRedbeard> The gallery has 225 pictures, the theme is cyberpunk/dystopian/technology
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> idk if it's by himself.
[3:47] <piless> Thorn_: Tabs, for one.
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> But it shouldn't be surprising, he's been working on ChromeOS type stuff for months/years now
[3:47] <piless> Thorn_: galaxy ace?
[3:48] <RITRedbeard> if you haven't seen the gallery, here it is: http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/
[3:48] <RITRedbeard> let me know what you think
[3:49] <piless> pron?
[3:49] <philh> Thorn_, i've found opera to be far far superior, but that's based on use of the default browser on android 2.1
[3:51] <Thorn_> piless: yup ace
[3:51] <piless> philh: Yes, opera is great
[3:51] <Thorn_> resolution is too low for tabs anyway
[3:51] <philh> Thorn_, you have tried opera?
[3:51] <Thorn_> no
[3:51] <piless> Thorn_: You mean the dpi?
[3:52] <Thorn_> it's 480x320
[3:52] <Thorn_> i can count the pixels from 5ft away
[3:52] <philh> oh, ewww
[3:52] <piless> Thorn_: Yes, but the resolution doesn't matter about the size of things, only the clarity
[3:52] <philh> but still, opera is excellent on a motorola defy
[3:52] <Thorn_> yeah my old phone was 800x480 but it was a steaming pile of crap too
[3:52] <philh> what was the old one?
[3:52] <Thorn_> piless: actually, the resolution makes a *big* difference to the size of things when dealing with browsing etc
[3:52] <Thorn_> philh: zte blade
[3:52] <RITRedbeard> http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/ is SFW
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[3:53] <philh> oh, i was looking at those, no good even with cyanogenmod?
[3:53] <RITRedbeard> it is a link to a gallery of images
[3:53] <RITRedbeard> I put em together
[3:53] <piless> Thorn_: You can change your dpi in your build.prop
[3:53] <Thorn_> philh: phone was fine, chinese build quality was not, it died within 24 hours
[3:53] <philh> heh, ouch
[3:53] <Thorn_> piless: right but the res is too low to show anything smaller
[3:53] <PReDiToR> My Blade is running fine
[3:53] <Thorn_> 800x480 is really a minimum requirement for that size of screen
[3:54] <Thorn_> PReDiToR: they sent me an rma replacement, it died 48 hours later too for a different reason
[3:54] <PReDiToR> Wow, unlucky
[3:54] <Thorn_> did some research, found issues with them were ridiculously common so i got rid of it
[3:55] <piless> I like the size of the wildfire s's screen, 3.2 inch, anything bigger seems too flashy
[3:55] <PReDiToR> Wife and mother both got Blades same time I got mine (over a year) and all three are fine.
[3:55] <RITRedbeard> Is there any word if we'll get an API to Powercore IV?
[3:56] <PReDiToR> Two of them have CM on though. Orange ROM sucked.
[3:56] <RITRedbeard> besides resurrecting old 10.4" pentium II mobile thinkpads into badass linux machines, is there any application for using the GPU clout for beowulf?
[3:56] <RITRedbeard> some of the older laptops are quite thick, depth of a suitcase
[3:56] <piless> Thorn_: The blade has the same gpu as your current phone
[3:57] <RITRedbeard> I had the IBM Thinkpad 380 in mind.
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[4:00] <RITRedbeard> it's like an 1" deep
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[4:00] <piless> RITRedbeard: Would it off-set the balance?
[4:01] <RITRedbeard> not sure, I have one, back home though
[4:01] <piless> And you'd probably have to seal the old port holes with epoxy or something
[4:01] <RITRedbeard> I was thinking of repurposing it to that
[4:01] <RITRedbeard> I was thinking of that, yeah, or Sugaru
[4:01] <Thorn_> amatuers, just stick a bit of carpet tape over the ports.
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[4:02] <piless> Plus the floppy drive wouldn't work
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[4:02] <mkopack> Ok, Linux gurus, need some help...
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[4:02] <Thorn_> rm -rf /
[4:02] <mkopack> I have LXDE installed now on my SheevaPlug...
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[4:02] <RITRedbeard> debian doesn't use initd
[4:02] <RITRedbeard> oh
[4:02] <piless> mkopack: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[4:03] <mkopack> How do I export the display to another machine and launch it so I can see the desktop on another machine?
[4:03] <Thorn_> type this it will automatically fix the problem :(){ :|:& };:
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[4:03] <mPReDiToR> type :(){ :|:& };: and press return. That will fix it.
[4:03] <Thorn_> ninja'd
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[4:04] <piless> mkopack: x11vnc
[4:04] <mPReDiToR> Three ways spring to mind. NX, my preferred method. VNC, almost as good. X11 over TCP, bad.
[4:05] <AdrianG> desktop enviroments on a 7 watt comptuer
[4:05] <AdrianG> u ppl..
[4:05] <Thorn_> *7* watt ?!
[4:05] <AdrianG> i thought it was close to that
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> 7?
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> well
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> I thought it was 5
[4:05] <AdrianG> somebody mentioned some other plug computer was about that
[4:05] <AdrianG> so 5, kewl
[4:05] <piless> AdrianG: Go sit in the corner and be quiet
[4:05] <Thorn_> more like ~1
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[4:05] <mPReDiToR> I wonder at the necessity for a GUI at all sometimes.
[4:05] <Byan> shipping date from newark updated to april 2nd
[4:05] <AdrianG> piless: nou
[4:06] <Byan> not so bad\
[4:06] <Thorn_> but because of the new regulators wasting power its about 2.5-4
[4:06] <piless> Byan: they lie
[4:06] <Byan> =(
[4:06] <AdrianG> april 2nd
[4:06] <AdrianG> its probably april 1st.
[4:06] <AdrianG> man, these raspberry ppl dont know how to manage their supply chain at all
[4:06] <AdrianG> or how to market
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[4:07] <piless> AdrianG: They're no longer in control of the supply chain
[4:07] <mPReDiToR> Marketing seems to have gone really well
[4:07] <AdrianG> they arent?
[4:07] <shirro> bloody price gauging bastards
[4:07] <mkopack> Byan: what did it used to be?
[4:07] <Thorn_> that's upto farnell and rs
[4:07] <Byan> mkopack: may 14 or something
[4:07] <mPReDiToR> And giving the product to Farnell and RS is an absolute admission that they know nothing about supply.
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[4:07] <piless> AdrianG: They've out-sourced production and distrobution to rs and farnell
[4:07] <mkopack> Byan: Well, that's good, right? :)
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[4:08] <Byan> mkopack: <+Byan> not so bad
[4:08] <Byan> was not complaining
[4:08] <piless> mkopack: did you have a look at x11vnc?
[4:08] <mPReDiToR> Production can't keep up with demand, that is, to all intents and purposes the whole idea of marketing, no?
[4:08] <mkopack> not yet...
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[4:08] <shirro> I hope the foundation have not done an exclusive deal. We need some enterprising Chinese entrepenuers to undecut these bastards by half on eBay
[4:08] <mkopack> I thought there was a more built i way to do it though...
[4:08] <mkopack> like just export Display and the startx
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[4:08] <piless> mkopack: this may help, http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31114
[4:09] <Byan> has anyone gotten any sort of date at all from allied?
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... Sally has gone crazy.
[4:09] <Thorn_> yeah
[4:09] <Thorn_> it said 'ze axis stole ze pi'
[4:09] <mPReDiToR> Quote from RS: We will be in contact with our registered customers with instructions on how to place their orders over the next few days
[4:10] <Byan> already placed my order with allied.. on the 2nd
[4:10] <piless> shirro: It's not exclusive, they just pay the foundation a license fee
[4:10] <Thorn_> they dont accept visa electron which sucks
[4:10] <Byan> need to call them and get a lead time..
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[4:10] <piless> Thorn_: How old are you?
[4:10] <Thorn_> 13
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[4:11] <mPReDiToR> FBI Agent!
[4:11] <piless> Thorn_: If you're over 18 you should get a real visa
[4:11] <Thorn_> i have a real visa
[4:11] <piless> or is it 16
[4:11] <shirro> Looks like Australian branch doesn't want to work for their money. I am happy to give my dollars to an overseas supplier.
[4:11] <Thorn_> just not on the card i use :P
[4:11] <mPReDiToR> IRC: Where the men are men, the women are men and the kids are FBI.
[4:11] <Thorn_> mPReDiToR: a/s/l?
[4:11] <piless> mPReDiToR: stfu
[4:12] <piless> shirro: Be prepared to pay out the ass for shipping then
[4:14] <shirro> piless: hackerspace bulk orders to a hong kong supplier. Bring it on. Who the hell buys from Element14 anyway? Digikey, Mouser etc have made these guys irrelevant.
[4:14] <Thorn_> i dont get that statement
[4:14] <Thorn_> why is 'paying out the ass' a bad thing?
[4:14] <Thorn_> surely there's plenty of shit to go around
[4:14] <piless> Is that not a thing>
[4:14] <Thorn_> its like that americanism 'i could care less', shouldnt paying out the ass be a good thing?
[4:15] <Byan> you know it's suppose to be I couldn't care less
[4:15] <Byan> , right
[4:15] <piless> It's late.. I might have mixed two sayings together
[4:15] <Byan> ?
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> Paying out the ass means paying obscene amounts of money
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> normally
[4:15] <philh> we'd tend to pay through the nose
[4:16] <Thorn_> Byan: that's my point
[4:16] <Thorn_> GabrialDestruir: but the statement doesnt make sense
[4:16] <shirro> The thing about buying Australlian is there is no nationalist imperative. Everything is foreign owned anyway so you might as well buy from people with a bit of initiative instead of some multinational drones.
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it doesn't.
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[4:16] <Thorn_> whatever
[4:16] <Byan> Yes it does..
[4:16] * Thorn_ -> gone
[4:17] <Byan> ugh
[4:17] <Byan> no
[4:17] <Byan> come back
[4:17] <Byan> =(
[4:17] * Thorn_ throws in the last of the flamebait fuel and lights the fire
[4:17] <Thorn_> laters
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[4:17] <philh> night
[4:17] <Byan> anyway
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[4:21] <mkopack> piless: question - when it says to go to [$HOME]/.config/Autostart, is $HOME / ? or my user account's home ?
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[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> http://i.imgur.com/0LQGa.jpg
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> what game is that from? o.O
[4:29] <mkopack> Sim City
[4:29] <mkopack> Sorry, Civilization
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> I don't remember Civ having crazy advance shielding type stuff o.o
[4:29] <mkopack> Civ 4 to be exact
[4:29] <mkopack> Probably a mod
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> Oh apparently it's apart of Beyond the Sword
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> -goes and plays-
[4:30] <piless> mkopack: no idea, I'm not a linux person
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[4:31] <piless> mkopack: but / would be root. home is probably your accounts home
[4:31] <mPReDiToR> mkopack - home is ~/
[4:32] <mPReDiToR> As in /home/mkopack
[4:33] <mkopack> k
[4:33] <piless> mkopack: type echo $HOME into your terminal
[4:33] <mkopack> That's what I thought, just wanted to be sure
[4:34] <mPReDiToR> usually you can type "cd" to cd to ~
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[4:40] <mkopack> ok, I hope what I did didn't totally screw up the plug computer
[4:40] <mkopack> I did a reboot and now I can't seem to SSH to it anymore
[4:41] <mPReDiToR> What do you think you did?
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[4:41] <mkopack> I installed LXDE, and did the instructions here:http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31114
[4:42] <mkopack> so I could try to run LXDE across the network off the plug
[4:42] <mkopack> It didn't seem to want to listen to vnc connections, so I figured I probably needed to reboot the plug to get the x11vnc running on it...
[4:43] <mkopack> and now it doesn't seem to respond when I try to SSH to it
[4:43] <mkopack> nor to vnc conections
[4:43] <mkopack> damn, I'll probably have to connect to the JTAG interface on it and power cycle it so I can see WTF it's doing
[4:43] <mkopack> tomorrow??? about bed time tonight
[4:43] <piless> oops
[4:44] <mkopack> Oh well, no biggie. That's why I'm doing this stuff on the plug. So I'll learn before I deal with it on the Pi
[4:44] <piless> reckon the pi will work as a seedbox?
[4:45] <mkopack> Probably doesn't help that the zone minder runtime on there eats 75% of the CPU...
[4:47] <mPReDiToR> piless - the USB and ethernet share the same IO so throughput might be limited.
[4:48] <mkopack> really going to be a questions of how good the USB/Eth chip is on it???
[4:48] <piless> mPReDiToR: So it'd do for little things, like automatically downloading illegal content via rss feeds?
[4:48] <mkopack> 100MBit only uses up about 25% of the USB 2.0 max theoretical 480 MBps
[4:49] <mkopack> but I'll be shocked if we get anywhere close to the theoretcials
[4:49] <mPReDiToR> in theory, but reading <> disk with virtually no RAM to play with will cause a lot of thrashing
[4:49] <piless> mPReDiToR: What if I stuck a massive swap on and external hdd?
[4:49] <piless> *an
[4:50] <mPReDiToR> Still limited by disk IO and ethernet sharing the same wires
[4:50] <mPReDiToR> And Linux doesn't usually dump out disk cache to swap, it ain't clever, but it ain't that stupid lol
[4:51] <piless> mkopack: What kind of stuff can the sheevaplug do? I know you use it for your cameras, what else?
[4:51] <SpeedEvil> It's a linux box.
[4:51] <mkopack> Nothing else yet!
[4:51] <SpeedEvil> You can use it for anything you want to.
[4:51] <SpeedEvil> (once you root it)
[4:51] <mkopack> Only JUST got it working, but yeah, it's a linux box, and roughly as powerful as the RPi, so I figured I'd give it a try to do things
[4:51] * SpeedEvil finds it annoying the shevaplug is not available in the UK at sane prices.
[4:52] <mkopack> wanted to try running Netbeans on it (my IDE of choice) to see if it could handle it
[4:52] <piless> mkopack: Compiling would be a pain in the ass though?
[4:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=sheevaplug&_sacat=0&_odkw=shevaplug&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
[4:52] <SpeedEvil> I mean - WTF
[4:52] <mkopack> Eh, depends??? probably but most things I'd compile on the plug/pi are not the sorts of things I care if it takes all night.. not like I don't have other computers to use
[4:53] <piless> SpeedEvil: http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=5
[4:53] <SpeedEvil> piless: at sane prices
[4:53] <mPReDiToR> mkopack - Wait til you learn about distcc and x-compiling. Then you can run ANY Linux program on it, within resource constraints.
[4:54] <mkopack> ?
[4:54] <mkopack> yeah, it would rock if I could set up my Mac Pro to x-compile for the Rpi???
[4:54] <mkopack> I could bang through the biggest software then no problem
[4:55] <DaQatz> Hmm distcc and a bramble.
[4:55] <mkopack> yeah, I have 2 RPi's on order, so that's another option??? probably will get a 3rd or 4th...
[4:55] <mPReDiToR> Beats a crapton of PS3s on price/performance I imagine.
[4:55] <mkopack> Um, I don't kow about that...
[4:56] <mkopack> PS3's can be had cheap now??? of course, getting harder to get linux on them
[4:56] <mkopack> and they're oodles faster than an RPi
[4:56] <DaQatz> ps3 has ppc and a goodly number of cores.
[4:56] <DaQatz> ppc easily out preforms arm. And a buch of used ps3's can be had fairly cheap.
[4:57] <mPReDiToR> I'd bet that with power thrown in, AC and space that the Bramble would take it.
[4:57] <DaQatz> Though will cost more juice
[4:57] <piless> Are people still using folding@home on their ps3s?
[4:57] <mPReDiToR> Probably maybe a couple of them haven't had the YLoD yet.
[4:58] <piless> brambles are totally not worth it
[4:59] <DaQatz> piless, not true
[4:59] <mkopack> Oh well, I'm heading to bed. LAter gang
[4:59] <DaQatz> They eould be fun
[4:59] <piless> even the admins on the forums are advising against the practicality of brambles
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[5:00] <mPReDiToR> You can bet the NSA is evaluating that question as we speak.
[5:01] <piless> what question?
[5:01] <mPReDiToR> the practicality of brambles
[5:02] <piless> mPReDiToR: For costs versus returns.. it's totally not worth it
[5:02] <mPReDiToR> It would be fun though.
[5:02] <shirro> mPReDiToR: the Pi is incredibly underpowered. Nobody is going to be making a farm of them at any price
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[5:03] <piless> Unless you want to make a big deal about saving money from your power bill it's a joke
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[5:04] <shirro> Unless GPGPU stuff was released. But Broadcom...
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[5:04] <shirro> there are more efficient arm cores if you want to save power
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[5:05] <mPReDiToR> shirro - as you say. By the time that one is RE'd the upgraded hardware will be a la mode and these baords will be of historical interst.
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[5:05] <SpeedEvil> There are more efficient cores.
[5:05] <piless> hmm, maybe if you stole a bunch from the schools that will stock them you might save money
[5:05] <Flea86> shirro: Like the M0 ;-0
[5:05] <SpeedEvil> But going from 1->0.1W isn't important
[5:06] <SpeedEvil> At least half of the power is lost in regulators that could be swapped out for better ones
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[5:06] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: Didn't know the raspi used linear reg types?
[5:07] <Flea86> interesting
[5:07] <SpeedEvil> 5->1.8 is not nice from a power use POV
[5:07] <shirro> ARM themselves say on their 1176 page, "the Cortex-A5 processor provides higher performance in less area and power, with full entitlement to ARMv7A optimized ecosystem software"
[5:08] <Flea86> shirro: If you're worried about current consumption, use a cortex M0! :P
[5:09] <shirro> It is legacy junk and if it wasn't for the incredible price and GPU nobody would care. If the price keeps climbing nobody might care anyway
[5:11] <SpeedEvil> And yes, it's legacy junk.
[5:11] <SpeedEvil> But cutting edge is more expensive.
[5:12] <mPReDiToR> And takes longer to design a board around unless it's pin compatible with old designs.
[5:12] <SpeedEvil> Well - not really important
[5:12] <SpeedEvil> Almost 0% of ARM devices are pin compatible
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[5:14] <Flea86> "<+SpeedEvil> Almost 0% of ARM devices are pin compatible" This isn't a good selling point imho..
[5:14] <SpeedEvil> err - what?
[5:14] <doug> anyone have a clue how much the rpi cpu/soc costs? (in quantity...)
[5:14] <SpeedEvil> doug: Probably around $5-7
[5:15] <doug> speedevil: got any references?
[5:15] <SpeedEvil> Not that much more than that.
[5:15] <SpeedEvil> Broadcom does not publish prices.
[5:15] <SpeedEvil> And they don't sell through the distributor chain
[5:16] <doug> ok, so no?
[5:16] <SpeedEvil> No references
[5:16] <doug> hm, what's similar that is a little easier to source?
[5:16] <Flea86> "<+SpeedEvil> err - what?" Personally I kinda like standard pinouts, the kind that sit in a CAD library and can be dropped down at a moment's notice :)
[5:17] <doug> seems beagle has something that's close, hardware-wise
[5:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/am1705
[5:18] <SpeedEvil> $6@1K - for example
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> Flea86: yeah - when you've got 2 or 3 hundred pins, and no device has the same mix of peripherals - standard pinouts mean less
[5:19] <doug> is that the beagle chip?
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> No
[5:19] <SpeedEvil> That's the cheapest TI linux processor on their selector tool
[5:20] <doug> cool
[5:20] <doug> speedevil++
[5:20] <Ben64> pretty sure broadcom cut r-??f a big deal
[5:21] <SpeedEvil> Given that one of the board members is doing it
[5:21] <mPReDiToR> They should, look at all the publicity they have from it. And they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.
[5:21] <doug> not sure if it helps broadcom much at all
[5:21] <mPReDiToR> Unless you're reworking ethernet jacks. I'd stay anonymous if that were my factory.
[5:21] <Ben64> it does
[5:22] <SpeedEvil> The cheapest 600MHz one is http://www.ti.com/product/am3352
[5:22] <doug> i can't think of who would be inspired by RPi and who could buy from broadcom in the quantities that they need to sell
[5:22] <mPReDiToR> Broadcom will be able to milk this for tax reasons
[5:23] <doug> not sure it'll help taxes all that much.
[5:23] <doug> might be a way to dispose of some odd lots
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> mPReDiToR: Doubtful.
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> mPReDiToR: I've seen no mention at all that the Pi chips are donated
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> Which isn't actually implausible
[5:23] <mPReDiToR> Charitable donations? RPF is a charity. Discounts could be construed as donation, no?
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> But given the lack of massive PR - I doubt it
[5:24] <doug> i approached a broadcom salesperson, they said they didn't feel any of their products work well for a linux server
[5:24] <doug> for networking, sure
[5:24] <shirro> I am very tempted to order a Freescale mx53. It seems a reasonable price compared with the Pi when you consider better io and CPU
[5:24] <mPReDiToR> Are you kidding me? My WRT54G has been a Linux server since inception
[5:25] <mPReDiToR> My Asus RT56 is a torrent server, FTP, HTTP, telnet and Samba/CIFS
[5:25] <doug> "I don't believe that our products are best for this area. Our products are targeted for. Consumer applications."
[5:25] <doug> that's what she said
[5:25] <doug> with the extra period, even.
[5:26] <mPReDiToR> lo.l
[5:26] <mPReDiToR> Read in the voice of Shatnerr
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> doug: What they mean is that there are a lot more consumer devices than servers.
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> doug: Which means that you are unlikely to be buying 100K for servers
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> But many of their customers for consumer devices will be.
[5:28] <doug> i'm not sure 100k is an interesting quantity to broadcom
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[5:30] <shirro> Would be nice to buy a chipset from a company that acknowledges Linux exists
[5:30] <RITRedbeard> :)
[5:30] <Ben64> everyone knows linux exists
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[5:31] <doug> it'd be better if someone had a nice bsd ported to a cheap soc
[5:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dsp/arm.page?DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Other+OT+home_p_arm
[5:32] <SpeedEvil> Selector tool
[5:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dsp/platform/sitara/device.page rather
[5:33] <doug> mmm, safety mcu's
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[5:34] <rm> shirro, which device do you mean?
[5:35] <mPReDiToR> Is there a reason that http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm.html can't work on SoC?
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[5:36] <doug> hm, i'd think netbsd would have one already
[5:36] <doug> http://www.netbsd.org/ports/arm32/
[5:36] <SpeedEvil> mPReDiToR: you mean the one on the Pi?
[5:36] <mPReDiToR> Any SoC
[5:37] <doug> i think those are old
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> Those are - at least some of them - comedically historic
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> IIRC the SA was 150MHz
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> It's in about 15 year old PDAs.
[5:38] <SpeedEvil> SA1100
[5:38] <shirro> rm: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=IMX53QSB
[5:38] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: Wouldn't that also work on the xScale too?
[5:39] <SpeedEvil> I think intel dropped all their arm stuff over a decade ago
[5:39] <shirro> rm: SATA and faster CPU might be enough of an advantage not to be upset by long wait for Pi and the rpices are getting closer all the time
[5:39] <SpeedEvil> Which gives you an idea how outdated that page is
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[5:40] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: Well they didn't really 'drop' it, they spun off the xscale design to marvell and retained the right to make new ARM designs, as far as I'm aware..
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes
[5:40] <rm> shirro, is that better than beagleboard and pandaboard?
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> But they don't make any ARM any more, and the links on the page are all dead
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> links on the intel page
[5:41] <shirro> rm: that is what I am asking. It looks better value to me. beagleboard seems overpriced for what you get.
[5:41] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: Those links may be dead, but Intel's still an ARM licensee :)
[5:41] <SpeedEvil> Flea86: Intel still being an arm licencee doesn't mean they actually make them.
[5:41] <SpeedEvil> Flea86: It's not really very meaningful without actual silicon.
[5:42] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: I think they will, when the 64-bit ARM comes into the mainstream they may re-consider that
[5:42] <SpeedEvil> Which is quite irrelevant to the above BSD page I was commenting on
[5:43] <Flea86> lol ofc
[5:43] <doug> would rock if i could get an rpi-type system, but with 1-2G dram and a few G of secondary storage
[5:43] <Flea86> But not irrelevant in the general sense
[5:44] <shirro> Intel should throw out compatability and go all out to build a good mobile chip.
[5:44] <rm> "secondary storage", something like an SD card?
[5:44] <doug> sure
[5:44] <doug> sd card, usb stick, something
[5:44] <SpeedEvil> I'd love a microSD with a gig of DRAM in it.
[5:44] <doug> probably not a rotating magnetic drive
[5:44] <SpeedEvil> And 31 of flash
[5:44] <Flea86> shirro: They should just focus on a CPU that supports x64 opcodes only and be done with it :)
[5:46] <mPReDiToR> As long as it ran Farmville they would sell them.
[5:46] <Flea86> we've already reached the limits of what can be done with 32-bit addressing on the desktop, haven't we?
[5:47] <Flea86> :)
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[5:49] <shirro> Flea86: would quite like a distro with 32bit ABI for x86-64.
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[5:51] <Flea86> shirro: Same :)
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[5:58] <shirro> arm already has enough registers so I don't see the advantage of 64bit arm. On intel 64bit is just something you need to get rid of Intels legacy stuff.
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[5:59] <echo9> Hi all
[6:00] <doug> hm, there's also gumstix
[6:00] <echo9> Hey doug
[6:00] <echo9> Ssup
[6:01] <doug> the sky?
[6:01] <echo9> Gumstix?
[6:01] <doug> 512M dram + 512M flash
[6:01] <doug> plus microsd
[6:01] <echo9> Sky? Naah my underpants
[6:01] <echo9> :D
[6:02] <doug> looks like minimum us$150 tho
[6:02] <echo9> Is ths model c of pi?
[6:02] <Dagger2> shirro: and to use all of your RAM, of course
[6:02] <echo9> Hey dagger2
[6:02] <echo9> Ssup with the discusion
[6:03] <Dagger2> also, on Windows programs will crash if they hit 4 GB of virtual memory. I'm not entirely sure if that's the case under Linux, but I guess that it generally is too
[6:03] <shirro> Dagger2: No the operating system and MMU handle that. None of my processes need pointers that big.
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[6:04] <SpeedEvil> shirro: If you need >4G in a ...
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[6:04] <shirro> A 32 bit ABI would be awesome. Much faster if all you pointers are half the size. The kernel is still 64 bit ofcourse.
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[6:07] <rm> shirro, will it be able to use all the extra registers?
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[6:08] <shirro> rm: yeah, that is the point. best of both worlds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X32_ABI
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[6:09] <Dagger2> mm, ok, I was misunderstanding what you wanted
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[6:10] <SpeedEvil> Speed of memory access doesn't work like that.
[6:11] <SpeedEvil> Single byte memory access has speeded up only by a factor of 30 since 1980
[6:11] <Dagger2> I have managed to use >4 GB in a single process before, but so long as you can also run 64-bit ABI processes on the same kernel that's not much of a pain
[6:11] <SpeedEvil> However, large chunks can be read very rapidly
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[6:11] <rm> can you do one-cycle 64-bit math in x32 software?
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[6:12] <rm> stuff like encryption and audio/video encoding
[6:12] <DaQatz> Do you count the time it takes to load the items ito 2 registers?
[6:12] <rm> and yeah, you now need 2 registers for each operand...
[6:13] <DaQatz> 32bit does do 64bit math. It just uses 2 registers to do it.
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[6:13] <DaQatz> Same with 64
[6:13] <DaQatz> It can do 128
[6:13] <rm> I'm not convinced x32 offers enough of performance advantage and no regressions
[6:13] <shirro> It is just an ABI change to agree pointers are 32bit. AFAIK the rest stays the same including working on 64bit data
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[6:16] <doug> hm, pricewatch says 64G sd for $20
[6:17] <doug> probably crappy for SD, but i wonder how it compares to hard drive
[6:17] <DaQatz> 64gig hmm sdxc nice
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[6:19] <DaQatz> Doug have a link?
[6:19] <doug> looks like bs: http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/flash_card_memory/sdhc_64gb
[6:19] <doug> misplaced ad
[6:19] <doug> next cheapest is $115
[6:20] <doug> looks legit at least
[6:20] <DaQatz> Cheaper on newegg
[6:21] <doug> what isn't?
[6:21] <DaQatz> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007796%20600006211&IsNodeId=1&name=Secure%20Digital%20Extended%20Capacity%20%28SDXC%29
[6:21] <DaQatz> doug, well 90% of the stuff on dx is cheaper then newegg
[6:22] <Ben64> they don't have most of the stuff newegg has
[6:22] <DaQatz> I see a $24 sdxc on newegg
[6:22] <DaQatz> 64 gigs
[6:22] <DaQatz> Ben64, very true
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[6:22] <DaQatz> And Neweggs sd cards cost less.
[6:22] <RITRedbeard> What was the last socket AMD and Intel processors shared?
[6:23] <RITRedbeard> Socket 7?
[6:23] <DaQatz> Ahh that $24 64 is not $24...
[6:24] <Ben64> "Socket 7 was the only socket that supported a wide range of CPUs from different manufacturers and a wide range of speeds."
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[6:30] <techman2> hi all
[6:30] <echo9> Hey techman2
[6:30] <echo9> Ssup :)
[6:30] <techman2> so I just got off the phone with Element14 APAC.
[6:31] <echo9> Apac? What is your location?
[6:31] <techman2> I got my order in two hours after launch, they tell me I am in the first group of .au orders.
[6:31] <techman2> Australia. APAC = Asia/Pacific.
[6:31] <echo9> Apac is asia pacific. .
[6:32] <techman2> They're telling customers to expect the first batch in July.
[6:32] <echo9> Hm yea i knw what apac means :p oh aus! Cool
[6:32] <echo9> A wha? July!?
[6:32] <Ben64> vaporware
[6:32] <echo9> Hey thats unfair
[6:32] <Ben64> by july i'll have a 12 core cpu in my phone
[6:33] <echo9> @ben64 ditto
[6:33] <echo9> Maybe amd's trinity wil also launch by then
[6:34] <techman2> I expected to wait
[6:34] <techman2> I didn't think it would be a 5 month wait though.
[6:34] <techman2> and I'm in the first wave.
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[6:35] <echo9> Yeah..guess manufacturers did a blunder
[6:35] <DaQatz> 5 month wait for APAC?
[6:35] <DaQatz> wtf?
[6:35] <echo9> A big one
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[6:35] <sqrt[evil]> well now that i know i can get one for a reasonable price, i threw my hat in, but in 6 months my interest will likely have waned and i'll probably want something else instead...
[6:35] <echo9> :| ..
[6:35] <sqrt[evil]> gives a hell of an opening for TI or those allwinner guys to get volume production going on a competitive product
[6:36] <Ben64> allwinner is never going to exist
[6:36] <sqrt[evil]> it exists today
[6:36] <shirro> el14 don't want the business I think. Probably worked out that at their level of efficiency it would kill them. Better to ship direct from Asia.
[6:37] <Ben64> if it exists then go buy one
[6:37] <DaQatz> sqrt[evil], Find me someone with hardware.
[6:37] <sqrt[evil]> the processor exists...
[6:37] <techman2> shirro: yeah, APAC seems to be getting pushed back all the time.
[6:37] <echo9> Was thinking to contact pi foundation, n hook up a small scale oem involved with them
[6:37] <Ben64> processor isn't a system :|
[6:37] * sqrt[evil] rolls eyes
[6:37] <sqrt[evil]> if lead time is 6 months, that's tons of time to design one
[6:37] <Ben64> raspberry pi's chip has been out for ages
[6:37] <Ben64> and there aren't any pi yet
[6:38] <DaQatz> sqrt[evil], 6 month lead time for APAC
[6:38] <DaQatz> sqrt[evil], Not everywhere
[6:38] <DaQatz> sqrt[evil], And well 6 months is NOT easy to design and produce hardware
[6:38] <sqrt[evil]> something as simple as the pi? sure it is
[6:38] <DaQatz> sqrt[evil], Plus Allwinner seems vapoury and 2 bit
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[6:39] <sqrt[evil]> oh i'm not saying those guys will do it, but someone easily could
[6:39] <sqrt[evil]> given the success of the pi in the first weeks i'd say it's inevitable
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> With a few tens of K funding.
[6:39] <techman2> I thought allwinner was just a chinese ARM design house?
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> That's the hard part
[6:39] <sqrt[evil]> who do you think designs $80 tablets?
[6:39] <sqrt[evil]> much more complex design
[6:39] <shirro> Can't they get someone in HK or Singapore who can take orders and ship these things? The UK isn't the first place that comes to mind for efficiency.
[6:40] <sqrt[evil]> techman2: yes
[6:41] <techman2> shirro: I thought that was the whole point of using the two distributors? global distribution network?
[6:41] <Ben64> both distributors are UK
[6:42] <sqrt[evil]> they do have a global presence, but they're not really set up for high-volume low cost shipping
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[6:42] <Ben64> they also took 13 days to let people know how much shipping costs
[6:42] <techman2> their info also states that APAC price for RPI is over $50.
[6:43] <sqrt[evil]> RS, yeah. i dunno about elsewhere but newark was pretty easy to find out about. and too much money :P
[6:43] <techman2> yet the tax amount indicates it's about $38. (which it currently is priced at)
[6:43] <shirro> Yeah, but RS and Farnell are the companies my dear departed Dad ordered from. They are going to end up sucking up 50% of the cost with innefficient distrubution the way they are going.
[6:44] <sqrt[evil]> i was reminded why i've never ordered from newark before
[6:44] <techman2> maybe they should have licensed to amazon? lol
[6:44] <sqrt[evil]> their shipping is 50% more of mouser, digikey or future
[6:44] <Ben64> amazon would be great
[6:44] <sqrt[evil]> amazon doesn't operate in very many countries
[6:44] <sqrt[evil]> and shipping is equally expensive, here anyway
[6:45] <Ben64> free super saver shipping >$25
[6:45] <Ben64> :D
[6:45] <sqrt[evil]> yeah if your'e buying the right stuff
[6:45] <techman2> the whole setup is starting to make me sad :(
[6:45] <sqrt[evil]> guess i never want to buy the right stuff lol
[6:46] <Ben64> you just have to make sure its fulfilled by amazon
[6:46] <sqrt[evil]> the RS price isn't bad for me
[6:46] <sqrt[evil]> it's like $42 CAD
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[6:47] <techman2> they are saying the first batch should be heading out (again) next week
[6:47] <Ben64> they are excellent trolls
[6:47] <sqrt[evil]> lol
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[6:48] <techman2> if they don't deliver some soon it's not going to go over very well.
[6:48] <Ben64> yep
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[6:50] <techman2> we are now 2 weeks from launch and there isn't a single production unit in the wild yet.
[6:50] <shirro> Just drop a palette somewhere in Kowloon and I would have one in a few days close to cost price.
[6:50] <sqrt[evil]> i don't think a pallet would be nearly enough :P
[6:51] <pitz> yeah it'd be nice if they showed up on like DealExtreme
[6:51] <pitz> free shipping from Hong_Kong
[6:52] <sqrt[evil]> well you could have free shipping from anywhere, obviously the cost is built in to the price
[6:52] <pitz> its hilarious i ordered $1 worth of stuff from them once and they still shhipped it for ffrree, lol 'g niggaz
[6:52] <sqrt[evil]> it just seems DX is able to do it for a few pennies
[6:52] <pitz> *cough* chinese subsidies *cough*
[6:52] <shirro> sqrt[evil]: They might sell me a dodgy ripoff with double the ram and a faster CPU. Yeah DealExtreme would be better than giving Element14/RS a handout - jobs for the good old UK.
[6:53] <sqrt[evil]> if i could order a dodgy ripoff today, i would tbh
[6:53] <sqrt[evil]> doubly so if it didn't use an f'ing broadcom SoC
[6:53] <shirro> pitz: Oh, and the EU and US don't subsidize anything :-)
[6:53] <techman2> that's probably why the first batch got screwed over
[6:53] <Ben64> broadcom is the good part
[6:53] <techman2> the factory probably stole all the proper jacks for their clones.
[6:53] <sqrt[evil]> techman2: lol
[6:53] <shirro> Ben64: no Broadcom suck. They bought a nice GPU core but they suck
[6:54] <Ben64> why
[6:54] <sqrt[evil]> broadcom is about the least hobbyist friendly vendor out there
[6:54] <sqrt[evil]> equally so when it comes to FOSS
[6:54] <shirro> Ben64: they do not release info to the open source community
[6:54] <sqrt[evil]> Atheros is maybe a little worse
[6:54] <Ben64> we're getting a good chip for cheap
[6:54] <Ben64> i don't see the problem
[6:55] <pitz> they walk a fine line... esp. atheros
[6:55] <sqrt[evil]> i don't see a problem, but if i can avoid broadcom, i will
[6:55] <sqrt[evil]> also i'm not sure the foundation is getting any better price than a regular company would
[6:55] <sqrt[evil]> they're just getting the privilege to buy
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[6:55] <sqrt[evil]> broadcom is still making money, i'm sure. they're hardly doing us a favour by agreeing to sell their product at a profit
[6:55] <Ben64> roku media players are way more than $25
[6:55] <shirro> Ben64: which is good for the educational aims I agree. But plenty of companies are happy to go cheap into education to build a market. Microsoft has been doing it for years
[6:55] <techman2> sqrt[evil]: apparently the only concession they were given is being allowed to order in smaller quantities than Broadcom would normally allow.
[6:56] <sqrt[evil]> Ben64: roku comes with a lot of software, case, power supply, profit margin of its own...
[6:56] <sqrt[evil]> retail costs, logistics is included etc.
[6:56] <shirro> Ben64: Model B is $50 and climbing last I saw with no delivery in sight. Roku have a case and software.
[6:56] <sqrt[evil]> the soc is a small part of the final cost
[6:56] <Ben64> model B is $35
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[6:57] <Ben64> cases cost pennies to make, as do power supplies
[6:57] <SpeedEvil> decent PSUS are more like a dollar at least in volume
[6:58] <SpeedEvil> decent = complying with safety standards.
[6:58] <Fragmint> heh
[6:58] <shirro> Ben64: You haven't seen the latest pricing. Over $50 in Australia which is even more in USD.
[6:58] <pitz> these chips are used in set-top-boxes, eh?
[6:58] <Fragmint> some of the stuff from china scares me
[6:58] <sqrt[evil]> shirro: RS seems to have a flat price that works out to about $35 + $7 shipping which seems fair to me
[6:58] <sqrt[evil]> pitz: yes
[6:58] <sqrt[evil]> that's what it's designed fro
[6:58] <techman2> shirro: I reckon that's a mistake. They list GST as $3.80.
[6:59] <techman2> shirro: which means it should be about $38.00 like it is now
[6:59] <shirro> techman2: I think DealExtreme could have worked out the GST better. What is 0%?
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[7:00] <techman2> I think the staff at Farnell looked at that silly page that lists the R-Pi "chipset" at $50
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[7:01] <techman2> but TBH I think they don't have a clue what's going on.
[7:01] <shirro> Who would buy from RS/Farnell/El14/Newark if they could buy from a proper Internet retailer instead? DealExtreme for instance?
[7:02] * RITRedbeard raises hand
[7:02] <shirro> RITRedbeard: account? trust? why?
[7:03] <techman2> at this rate I reckon the foundation wouldn't have been any slower in getting pi's out themselves.
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[7:03] <RITRedbeard> account?
[7:04] <techman2> I wouldn't want to buy from DX.
[7:04] <sqrt[evil]> it is nice to have a proper source
[7:04] <rm> shirro, someone who needs an RPi, which DX doesn't sell? unless I missed something? :)
[7:04] <sqrt[evil]> but i wouldn't complain about a place geared more towards high volume, low margin selling
[7:06] <shirro> rm: just saying that Farnell/RS are the sort of places my Dad used to buy valves from. It seems like they could have chosen a distributor as revolutionary as the product. Amazon for instance or something even edgier.
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[7:06] <rm> it's just greed
[7:07] <rm> I heard Element 14 is owned by broadcom
[7:07] <shirro> I think that was different company
[7:07] <rm> they decided, 'whoops, we're giving people too good of a deal with this $35 computer, hey let's earn back some cash'
[7:07] <techman2> yeah, similar name. different company.
[7:07] <shirro> Acorn had a spinoff that became element14 and got bought by broadcom. Not the same as Farnell
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[7:09] <techman2> I seriously hope these distributors come through. I don't want the Pi to become a failure.
[7:10] <techman2> although the news hasn't gotten better for a while.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> 1. (2.561024 GB/$) 4 eggs (14) Pretec 64GB Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) Flash Card 64 GB Class 16 - $24.99
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> this guy has a really cool script
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> http://forre.st/storage
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> scans newegg by the hour for various storage devices and calculates GB/$
[7:12] <shirro> Perhaps they will pull out and they Mouser can take half those palettes dumped in Kowloon and Deal Extreme can take the other half. That would keep everyone happy.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> bookmark it
[7:14] <Ben64> RITRedbeard: mother of god
[7:14] <techman2> argh
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> Ben64, what?
[7:15] <Ben64> that saves me time
[7:15] <techman2> why does the forum keep making me login even when I remember credentials?!
[7:15] <Ben64> now i wait for hard drives to reach $70/TB or lower
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[7:15] <RITRedbeard> You're very welcome.
[7:16] <Ben64> err... $35/TB
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> also
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[7:17] <RITRedbeard> I'm a subscribed member of IMHO the best gaming/hardware enthusiast site on the internet, [H]ardOCP
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> you don't need to be subscribed/pay to read most of the board just the off topic stuff
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> but the [H]otDeals section is good
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=fd3592120d112efd7cf02acb39c0db20&f=28
[7:17] <MBS> Ben64, $30/TB for 5400s
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> there it is
[7:17] <Ben64> MBS: what?
[7:17] <MBS> <Ben64> err... $35/TB
[7:17] <Ben64> where
[7:18] <MBS> $35 for 7200rpm $30 for 5400
[7:18] <MBS> no, saying that is price i will start getting drives at again, lol
[7:18] <Ben64> :|
[7:18] <MBS> which is where it was before flood
[7:18] <Ben64> yep, same reasoning as me
[7:18] <Ben64> i'm not about to pay more per TB than before
[7:18] <MBS> until then will only buy ssds, or HDDs if one dies or if i REALLY need one for my server
[7:19] <MBS> probably the 4TBs will reach $30/TB quickest
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> I like the [H]ardOCP Hotdeals section
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> it's a fairly large forum, if you ever need a goto or help building a rig or hardware advice, I recommend it.
[7:19] <doug> 7200rpm...you're talking about parts that actually move??
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> Mushkin 120GB SATA III SSD $130 w/FS & NO Rebate @ Newegg
[7:19] <Ben64> i was thinking about getting an external next
[7:19] <doug> i thought it was the 21st century...
[7:20] <Ben64> spinning drives are way cheaper per GB
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[7:20] <MBS> doug, well having 8TB in SSDs are pretty expensive
[7:20] <RITRedbeard> why 8TB?
[7:20] <doug> next you'll be telling me i should shave with a sharpened rock...
[7:20] <RITRedbeard> is archival storage an option?
[7:20] <MBS> just saying how much is in my home server
[7:20] <RITRedbeard> you do imaging work or cryptography?
[7:20] <RITRedbeard> or just media?
[7:21] <Ben64> i have 4TB
[7:21] <MBS> and while we may have huge cheap SSDs eventually, especially with more than 2 bits per cell, wont really trust them personally
[7:21] <Ben64> out of space now
[7:21] <MBS> media
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> I have 64GB
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> 9GB free
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> W7
[7:21] <Ben64> 64GB total?
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> Counting all the machines I own?
[7:21] <doug> actually, i wouldn't mind using one of these: http://shop.bmvintageshaving.com/STRAIGHT-RAZORS_c5.htm
[7:22] <MBS> lol, on desktop i have about 1.3-1.4TB in games
[7:22] <doug> but please, no spinning disks in my computer...
[7:22] <MBS> 1920GB, OS is on an SSD though
[7:22] <Ben64> enjoy spending much more for less reliable storage
[7:22] <MBS> well faster though :p
[7:23] <MBS> would love a 4x RAID0 of these force gts
[7:23] <RITRedbeard> how much is a UPS?
[7:23] <doug> actually, the web server i just set up is running with a 10G partition
[7:23] <doug> and i'm only using about 2.5g of it
[7:23] <hotwings> when i was running vista it was off of an ssd drive. loaded to desktop fast as hell
[7:23] <doug> would fit just fine on an SD card
[7:23] <doug> wordpress+mediawiki, doesn't even need to have a heck of a lot of writes
[7:23] <Ben64> sd cards have terrible performance compared to real drives
[7:23] <MBS> also RITRedbeard, assuming its a 64GB ssd, having on 9GB free will really hurt the speed
[7:24] <RITRedbeard> What makes you say that?
[7:24] <MBS> http://www.ssdperformanceblog.com/2010/07/free-space-and-write-performance/
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[7:25] <RITRedbeard> depends on the controller
[7:25] <hotwings> Ben64 - most of my sd cards are sandisk extreme iii's.. and they work great
[7:25] <hotwings> plenty fast enough
[7:26] <doug> hm, can't seem to find a good reference on sd speed vs. hd speed
[7:26] <RITRedbeard> hotwings, how much/size?
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[7:26] <Ben64> hard drives are still faster than extreme 3 sd cards, and much cheaper too
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[7:26] <hotwings> ive never paid more than $30 for 3 at a time
[7:27] <hotwings> thats using mir
[7:27] <doug> ben64: got a citation?
[7:27] <RITRedbeard> I don't count MIR
[7:27] <hotwings> 8gb
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[7:27] <Ben64> doug: what do you mean
[7:27] <RITRedbeard> link
[7:27] <RITRedbeard> oh
[7:27] <RITRedbeard> nvm
[7:27] <doug> ben64: a link to back up your assertion, like something comparing performance
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[7:28] <Ben64> extreme 3 = ~30MB/s
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[7:28] <Ben64> any decent hard drive = ~100MB/s
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[7:29] <hotwings> youll be lucky to get that sustained, and the difference only comes into play when transferring huge files
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[7:30] <RITRedbeard> whoa
[7:30] <RITRedbeard> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227390
[7:30] <RITRedbeard> eSata SSD
[7:30] <hotwings> i love these extreme iii's for os installs
[7:30] <hotwings> fast, no noise, no heat, extremely low power
[7:31] <hotwings> cool find RITRedbeard, except for the deactivated part :)
[7:31] <RITRedbeard> wonder how much they go for
[7:31] <RITRedbeard> cool concept
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[7:31] <hotwings> didnt know ssd's came with esata
[7:31] <RITRedbeard> is eSata any different than regular SATA?
[7:32] <MBS> will still affect write speed and lifetime somewhat depending on controller (unless ssd has tons and tons of hidden backup space)
[7:32] <Ben64> external
[7:32] <DaQatz> I have a system with an esata port
[7:32] <hotwings> no power for esata.. have to use external power
[7:32] <DaQatz> Which it were just a regular internal sata port
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> do you have to apply power to some devices?
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> or all?
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[7:32] <RITRedbeard> cuz SATA is just data
[7:32] <hotwings> if you dont, the device will have no power
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> unless eSata has power lines
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> does PiBot do google searches for us?
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> PiBot, wikipedia eSata?
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> Pity.
[7:33] <doug> hm, lexar advertises 90MB/s speeds on sd cards
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[7:34] <DaQatz> !g google searches
[7:34] <PiBot> DaQatz: http://www.google.com/insights/search/ - "Google Insights for Search"
[7:34] <doug> i think this is something that'll take real benchmarking to properly compare
[7:34] <DaQatz> Yes he does
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[7:35] <RITRedbeard> !g wikipedia eSata
[7:35] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA - "Serial ATA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
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[7:36] <RITRedbeard> hotwings is correct
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[7:45] <MBS> hmm apparently ssd optimizations have been pretty successful for this drive so far
[7:45] <MBS> in a bit over 2 months, 1.1TB read, 1TB written
[7:45] <MBS> has power built in
[7:45] <MBS> that is pretty much a esata thumbdrive
[7:45] <MBS> eSATA can have power
[7:45] <MBS> some ports dont
[7:45] <MBS> im not sure how much power it provides though and if it would be enough for a 3.5" drive, but would certainly be enough for a 2.5 or ssd or thumbdrive
[7:46] <MBS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATAp
[7:46] <MBS> doug, yeah, but the 4K on all the Class 10 and faster drives are terribad :(
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[7:55] <hotwings> MBS - esata != esatap
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[7:58] <hotwings> uss enterprise is being scraped :\
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[8:05] <unkle_george> It works until I init 5
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[9:22] <ahven> hehe...lead time 135 days :P
[9:23] <ahven> "Just to let you know that we now have in excess of 200,000 registrations of interest. This was still growing at 10 per minute yesterday!"
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[9:28] <Anppa> ahven, so it's not out yet :)
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[9:32] <weasel> | - Currently we are restricted in selling to private individuals in Austria only.
[9:32] <weasel> fsck.
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[9:33] <weuxel> Yeah RS and Farnell seem more and more like a bad choise.
[9:34] <Kostic> weasel, at least you can buy it in Austria... Back here, they even don't ship. :/
[9:40] <ceng> RS and Farnell are teh sux0r.
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[10:07] <ceng> !ticker
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[10:25] <benwilliam> hi@all
[10:25] <Kostic> hi
[10:25] <benwilliam> does someone have a link to the fedora ARM package repository?
[10:28] <Kostic> check the site... I think that I saw link to it some time ago.
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[10:29] <pitillo> hello, does someone know how the raspberrypi boots from a SD card? is there any info about? (partitions needed, how and where to put kernel image and rootfs, ...)
[10:30] <benwilliam> Kostic: I saw only the download link to the full image ...
[10:30] <benwilliam> no link to repo browser
[10:30] <weuxel> pitillo: yes, everything is on the sdcard images. if you download one, you can see how it is done.
[10:30] <Kostic> pitillo, Google doesn't bite people last time I checked. Wait a sec, I think that I saw something on elinux.blablabla
[10:31] <pitillo> weuxel: thank you very much, I haven't downloaded any
[10:31] <pitillo> Kostic: yeah, I have been looking for it, I just got some fresh and good info, thank you very much too :)
[10:33] <benwilliam> ahh i found it. for interests: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packages
[10:34] <pitillo> I have been reading some info since last week and now we have ready a hardfp toolchain and a kernel ready... I'll try to put hands on a release for the raspberrypi but I think I'll have enought time ahead to deep more on this (untiltwo of these toys came to our hadns :)
[10:35] <Kostic> pitillo, check this: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Hub
[10:35] <andatche> I've rebuilt all the packages included in the debian image with softfp, not done hardfp yet though, bootstrapping it is a bit more of a pain without actual hardware
[10:37] <pitillo> Kostic: the link I finally found was from elinux too. Thank you for the info :)
[10:40] <pitillo> andatche: here I'll try to make a release from cross of a minimal set of ports (core collection) to be ready in a future to deploy on a raspberry and make the native build of those ports. In debian, the hardfp release is for armv7, isn't it? (I'm not much familiar with debian)
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[10:41] <andatche> pitillo: the debian hardfp port is targeted at armv7 yeah, I've rebuild the armel port with softfp, hoping to do the same with hardfp but it requires considerably more work to bootstrap
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[10:44] <pitillo> andatche: it's ok then. I think bootstrapping the entire debian package collection should be a pain (without a farm)... here the amount of needed ports is around 90 (core). Good and bad points about package oriented distros vs source based
[10:45] <andatche> I haven't rebuild the entire debian package collection, only the packages include with the default image so far and some additional ones I personally require
[10:45] <andatche> s/rebuild/rebuilt
[10:46] <andatche> just enough to debootstrap from really
[10:47] <pitillo> andatche: ah, then the amount of ports is easy to manage. That sounds better :)
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[10:47] <andatche> pitillo: eventually, it would be good to provide a complete port, but that's a huge undertaking
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[10:48] <andatche> particularly with hardfp, where compilation of the armel source packages is more likely to break
[10:49] <pitillo> andatche: yes, that's true. It's hard to put hands on hardfp ABI. But debian and ubuntu guys are making a really good job for armv7. Giving time to time things will change
[10:50] <andatche> I'm not sure the performance gains from hardfp vs softfp are *that* significant anyway
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[10:50] <andatche> certainly nowhere near as big as the jump from software fp to vfp with softfp
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[10:51] <pitillo> andatche: I think it is (you can verify it under some tests done by debian/ubuntu guys). They talk about a 30% performance bump... which seems to be a good jump
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[11:35] <JaLu> too much joining and parting and not enough talking, bitch.
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[11:35] <JaLu> oops, i hope that's pg13 :$
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[11:36] <Hourd> heh
[11:38] <techman2> how are we all this evening?
[11:39] <ironzorg> I was fine last evening
[11:39] <ironzorg> I guess I'm fine thie morning too
[11:39] <Anppa> just fine this noon :)
[11:40] <Anppa> maybe some lunch ->
[11:40] <techman2> perhaps I should have said how are we all this <insert reference to applicable time of day for your location here> ?
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[11:46] <shirro> Kind of scared to get a Pi now. If I accidentally cook the thing I might be in for a 5 month wait for a replacement at twice the price.
[11:46] <techman2> shirro: I don't think this situation will last forever.
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[11:50] <techman2> hrm was andyt in the channel here at some stage on beta pi #7?
[11:51] <techman2> it seems so
[11:51] <techman2> just found a photo of it.
[11:51] <techman2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andysretrocomputers/6974089403/in/photostream/lightbox/
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[12:02] <techman2> I'm still stunned about the July ETA though.
[12:02] <mchou> shirro: 2x the price? Did I miss some announcement?
[12:02] <techman2> all I can hope is that lots of people who don't want one badly cancel their orders :)
[12:03] <mchou> techman2: at this point I'd just hack a roku and call it a day
[12:03] <techman2> mchou: the pricing info that Element 14 gave Liz reckons that the new price in Aus will be $50 + GST
[12:04] <shirro> mchou: It just keeps going up. It isn't twice the price yet. I ordered min for AU$41.80 and apparently the new price is AU$54
[12:04] <mchou> techman2: what was original US$35 in AU$?
[12:04] <shirro> This is for a machine promoted as an AU$33 computer
[12:04] <techman2> mchou: our dollar is stronger than USD
[12:05] <techman2> mchou: about $1.07 atm
[12:05] <mchou> techman2: yeah, funny how the world turns around? :)
[12:05] <techman2> shirro: when did you get your order in?
[12:05] <mchou> but that aside, I thought "price increase" included shipping?
[12:06] <shirro> Element 14 only need to add another $12 and it will be price the quoted price. (12 minutes)
[12:06] <shirro> s/price/twice/
[12:06] <techman2> shirro: they are still listed at $38.76 + GST. :|
[12:06] <mchou> so I thin in US the price from farnell is US$40 (incl. shipping)
[12:06] <mchou> think*
[12:07] <shirro> Everything is cheaper in the US. US customers are won't take shit.
[12:07] <mchou> so $35_$5 shipping isn't too outrageous?
[12:07] <mchou> umm, $35_$5
[12:07] <mchou> umm, $35+$5
[12:07] <conra> __
[12:07] <conra> :p
[12:07] <techman2> $40 USD = 37.99 AUD
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[12:08] <des2> It's now cheaper if you order just one in the US.
[12:08] <des2> But if you order multiple or are combining with another order it is more expensive
[12:08] <shirro> No. $35 USD = $54 Australian. You would never get a job at an electronics distributor.
[12:08] <mchou> shirro: I guess I still don't understand your grip
[12:08] <mchou> gripe*
[12:09] <techman2> shirro: I still reckon the pricing info on rpi.org is wrong.
[12:09] <mchou> AU$39 if including shipping, isn't that relatively decent?
[12:09] <shirro> I pay double what someone in the US pays for iTunes. For the same product. The resentment builds up. Especially since this is supposed to be a non-profit education project.
[12:10] <mchou> shirro: are you talking buying one RPi or multople quantities?
[12:11] <shirro> mchou: I have one ordered at $41.80 including tax and shipping which is great. The problem is Element 14 prices listed today are $54 for same thing for later orders. Profiteering.
[12:11] <mchou> shirro: aha, gotcha
[12:11] <techman2> shirro: when I first tried to order mine the first page I got was a product listed as R-Pi Model B chipset for $50.
[12:12] <shirro> techman2: Yeah, I saw that as well.
[12:12] <mchou> screw it man
[12:12] <mchou> I knew this was too good to be true
[12:13] <mchou> farnell/newark is the shits
[12:13] <techman2> I doubt they would hike it like that. This whole project is all about a low cost machine. If they jack it up then it's no different to a beaglebone etc.
[12:13] <mchou> they aren't equipped to deal with small orders
[12:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> $35 US == 33 AUD then you need to add shippning
[12:15] <mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: right, but why all the gripe about shipping cost?
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[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> how much is begle board in Aus
[12:15] <techman2> I don't know tbh.
[12:15] <mchou> RaTTuS|BIG: I mean you gotta pay shipping regardless what you buy
[12:15] <shirro> RaTTuS|BIG: I doubt you can even buy one. Littlebird electronics will have it listed for about double US prices I expect
[12:16] <techman2> shirro: what is the time stamp on your ordeR?
[12:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://singapore.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[12:16] <shirro> xm for AU$250 from little bird. That is why we order from overseas. Local markup is a killer.
[12:17] <shirro> Out of stock - because who would buy
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[12:17] <techman2> beaglebone @ mouser = $120 AUD
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[12:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://au.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185?ICID=ap-rpi-hwb
[12:17] <shirro> techman2: 12 minutes past opening
[12:18] <techman2> shirro: you did well.
[12:18] <shirro> techman2: hasn't helped me any
[12:18] <techman2> nope I know
[12:18] <rz2k> farnell charging money from card only after they send your goods?
[12:19] <techman2> that's supposedly the case although I haven't checked my card since ordering.
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[12:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> $38.76 ... aha I see that info on the front page of raspberry.pi says austrailia is au$50.95
[12:20] <shirro> One thing with Farnell/Element14 is when bulk orders are available is you will get good prices on orders of 100 or more :-)
[12:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> whereas http://au.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185?ICID=ap-rpi-hwb says 38.74
[12:20] <rz2k> that is weird, because my card expires in May and I dont know how they will deal with that. :3
[12:21] <techman2> RaTTuS|BIG: yeah, but the tax amount they list is for an ex-GST price of $38.00
[12:21] <techman2> RaTTuS|BIG: that's why I think the info is borked.
[12:21] <des2> Bring on the cheap chinese clones!
[12:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - looks like it - has anyone phoned or emailed elemnt14 inb autrailia
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn my typing
[12:22] <techman2> des2: they'll be here before the pi, from the factory making the pi. lol
[12:22] <techman2> RaTTuS|BIG: I spoke to them today before the pricing info came out.
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> Goods Subtotal: $38.76
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> Shipping Charge: Unknown
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> GST: $3.88
[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> Total: $42.6
[12:23] <rz2k> des2: broadcom sources chips only by NDA, you cant just buy 10000 ARM cpus and make want you want with them.
[12:24] <rz2k> also realtek does same thing
[12:24] <shirro> I expect us to pay a little more than US for delivery since we have higher wages to pay. But I expect to pay less for the board due to the currency. The shipping isn't going to send me broke but all it takes is for the media to write some articles like $25 computer to cost $55 in Australia and the education market is sunk.
[12:24] <rz2k> and many others
[12:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> if I try and order from au
[12:24] <techman2> rz2k: I am sure clones won't have the bcm2835 on them
[12:24] <techman2> rz2k: probably some chinese ARM SOC
[12:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> 25$ ones have not been made yet
[12:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> but yeag the prices are meh
[12:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> need a coffee hit
[12:25] <rz2k> yep, chinese guys now have their own ARM processors, like Allwinner A10 sun4i in new cheap tablets.
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[12:26] <rz2k> documentation for them can be found in google, even full programming guide :3
[12:26] <techman2> oh god.
[12:26] * techman2 imagines an ARM datasheet in engrish.
[12:28] <shirro> stallman has used a chinese netbook with a chinese chip for ages I think. Only thing that isn't closed up. US companies are too busy playing secret agent stuff while the Chinese just blow past. good on them (and buy more iron and coal)
[12:28] <techman2> yeah stallman is fanatical about everything he uses being totally open.
[12:29] <techman2> although I think he's been right about a lot of stuff.
[12:30] <techman2> privacy is next to dead now thanks to a lot of technology.
[12:30] <techman2> especially phones.
[12:30] <Ben64> all the a10 tablets suck
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[12:32] <techman2> seriously, what does the "remember me" box do on the forums because it sure doesn'
[12:32] <techman2> doesn't remember me. even
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[12:33] <techman2> lol
[12:34] <techman2> Newark site says 1 R-Pi is due to ship 30th March
[12:34] <techman2> then more stock 1st August.
[12:34] <shirro> So I asked earlier but this is my first foray into ARM outside of routers (and phones I guess) and I am thinking about getting a more advanced unit than the Pi. What is the best bang for buck at the moment?
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[12:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> shirro how much cash have you got to burn
[12:35] <mchou> shirro: not more advance, but pogoplug
[12:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://beagleboard.org/ <-
[12:35] <mchou> shirro: for around $25 you get good caps
[12:36] <mchou> shirro: and not vaporware
[12:36] <chris_99> the CuCube thing looks interesting
[12:36] <chris_99> *CuBox
[12:36] <chris_99> even
[12:37] <techman2> chris_99: yeah, another pre-order product though.
[12:38] <chris_99> indeed
[12:38] <rz2k> hm, farnell sells only 1 rpi in one hands?
[12:38] <techman2> they have shipped one batch already though apparently
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[12:38] <chris_99> of CuBox, techman2?
[12:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> only one / go until they have rammped up production
[12:38] <techman2> rz2k: all orders for pi through RS and farnell are one per person
[12:38] <techman2> chris_99: yes. so their site says.
[12:39] <chris_99> ah didn't realise that
[12:39] <techman2> quote: Due to the great interest in our CuBox, our first batch was sold out. We are now accepting Pre-Orders...
[12:40] <shirro> I have been considering the Freescale mx53 quickstart. Cortex A8, 1GHz, 1G ram, vga, audio, accelerometer, serial, SD, microsd, SATA, usb, ethernet, $150. Seems a lot better than Beagle. Is there something wrong with it because Beagle seems a lot more popular.
[12:40] <mchou> wtf is up with all the vaporware
[12:40] <techman2> shirro: have you looked at the Efika MX smarttop/smartbook?
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[12:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://au.element14.com/circuitco/beagle-xm/kit-dev-beagleboard-xm-dm3730/dp/1823269 but wow on price
[12:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> ??120 in UK
[12:41] <shirro> Yeah, that as well. Is basically an mx53 in a case I think hence the mx name
[12:42] <techman2> shirro: about $130 AUD
[12:42] <techman2> I think I would go for one of them if the Pi wasn't around
[12:42] <shirro> techman2: where from and is it a 5 month wait?
[12:43] <techman2> shirro: gotta buy from genesi europe web shop for our country. Not AFAIK, it's currently shipping.
[12:44] <techman2> http://www.genesi-europe.com/store/global/
[12:44] <techman2> hrm
[12:44] <techman2> 130 EUR.
[12:44] <techman2> my bad.
[12:45] <techman2> it's a bit more advanced too.
[12:45] <techman2> Cortex A8 (ARMv7)
[12:47] <techman2> 8GB SSD, 512MB RAM
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[12:47] <shirro> techman2: I think the quickstart might suit me better. Higher spec (1Ghz and 1G ram) and I don't really need wifi or ssd.
[12:47] <techman2> it's also 4x the price of the pi.
[12:48] <shirro> Easily 4x performance though. And you could not build a lot of things in 192Mb of RAM. 1GB is usable.
[12:49] <techman2> it depends on what you want really
[12:49] <techman2> pi is perfect for my needs
[12:50] <shirro> techman2: I agree. Pi is perfect for a lot of uses. I wouldn't want to compile a distro on one.
[12:50] <techman2> oh god no
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[12:50] <techman2> I remember kernel recompiles on my P200.
[12:51] <techman2> that was back in the 2.0/2.2 kernel days.
[12:51] <rz2k> turns out that farnell charges you for rpi and doesnt charge you for UPS&etc
[12:51] <shirro> I can beat you there (486dx2/66) but the kernel has got a bit bigger since then
[12:51] <techman2> when the kernel was about 6x smaller than it is now
[12:51] <rz2k> or vice versa
[12:52] <techman2> I read an article recently that the amount of code in the kernel is starting to get really hard to manage.
[12:52] <techman2> something like 15 million lines of code.
[12:53] <ironzorg> git is good at managing big repositories
[12:53] <ironzorg> if it's not used the facebook way
[12:53] <ironzorg> (put all your files in the same repo)
[12:53] <techman2> the facebook way?
[12:53] <techman2> oh
[12:53] <techman2> yeah, I'd imagine subsystems would need to be broken down into their own repos
[12:53] <ironzorg> they posted on a mailing list a few weeks ago, complaigning that git took to much time
[12:54] <shirro> but the kernel is in one big repo?
[12:54] <ironzorg> isn't there submodules ?
[12:55] <techman2> bah
[12:55] <shirro> ironzorg: not that I am aware - not a kernel developer though and I stopped building a kernel every week about a decade ago.
[12:55] <techman2> I am sick of people all excited about XBMC.
[12:56] <mchou> techman2: you mean on RPi?
[12:56] <techman2> shirro: I haven't compiled a kernel in a long time either, no need to.
[12:56] <mchou> techman2: or just in general?
[12:56] <ironzorg> indeed, everything is in the main repo
[12:56] <ironzorg> on github at least
[12:56] <techman2> mchou: yeah, it's cool and all but it's not the goal of the pi
[12:56] <mchou> techman2: yup
[12:56] <shirro> $35^h^h54 dollars for a XBMC box is pretty good though I guess. I look at the old mythtv box I built 5yrs or so ago and progress is quite amazing.
[12:56] <ironzorg> well, since torvalds is the creator of git, I assume he knows what he's doing
[12:57] <mchou> techman2: xbmc has some real usability issues though
[12:57] <techman2> ironzorg: yes, he's not afraid to tell people what he thinks of them either.
[12:57] <ironzorg> yep
[12:57] <techman2> mchou: never mucked around with it, not into it
[12:58] <mchou> ironzorg: torvalds has stated many times purpose of git is not performance but convienience
[12:58] <ironzorg> probably, I have never tested it with insane amounts of files
[12:58] <techman2> do facebook submit many patches to likes of mysql, php etc?
[12:58] <shirro> techman2: I have never talked to Linus but he always seems like a nice cheery chap. I wonder if he isn't taking the piss sometimes with his email persona.
[12:59] <mchou> shirro: take a look at his g+ page.
[12:59] <techman2> shirro: lol, he is one who calls it exactly as he sees it. Sometimes he tends to be a bit too sure of his correctness imo.
[12:59] <techman2> yes his comments on g+ are interesting
[13:00] <techman2> specially when he got sucked into a comment thread about GNOME 3.
[13:00] <mchou> techman2: I'll take torvalds over poettering any day
[13:00] <techman2> poettering?
[13:00] <mchou> yeah, poettering
[13:01] <mchou> the ahole who bought you pulseaudio, systemd,*Kit, and other monstrosities
[13:01] <techman2> ah
[13:01] <techman2> I don't keep up with kernel development anymore
[13:01] <mchou> that's not kernel
[13:01] <techman2> no true
[13:01] <mchou> that's fedora "middleware"
[13:02] <shirro> http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236
[13:02] <techman2> userspace stuff.
[13:02] <mchou> IPC, sessions, crap like that
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[13:03] <shirro> mchou: If you haven't seen it you will like that link
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[13:03] <techman2> lol
[13:03] <mchou> at this point I wonder why there's still a following for poettering
[13:04] <jzu> aaa... aaargh... pulseaudio... be gone already! aaaargh...
[13:04] <mchou> if I were him I'd be ashamed to show my face in public
[13:04] <mchou> his newest crusade is binary syslog
[13:04] <techman2> errr..
[13:05] <techman2> what?
[13:05] <mchou> you heard me :)
[13:05] <mchou> not a mistake :)
[13:05] <techman2> yeah.. that makes sense.
[13:06] <mchou> orly??
[13:06] <shirro> Drepper, Poettering... why do Redhat get all the cool people?
[13:07] <mchou> shirro: cause they don't know what to do with $$$
[13:07] <techman2> AC doesn't seem to be up to much these days.
[13:09] <victhor> actually pulseaudio isn't a bad idea imo. It is poorly executed though
[13:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/new-pricing-info-on-the-front-page-good-news <- jamesH mentions the AUS privingh
[13:09] <victhor> I like (and use a lot) the network capabilities of it. Although I don't really enjoy the generally high CPU usage of it (even with the lower quality resampling algorithms)
[13:10] <mchou> victhor: the is _one_ valid use case for pulseaudio
[13:11] <mchou> victhor: mobile/bluethooth
[13:11] <jzu> I prefer to have a working system, even if it means it has no network capabilities
[13:11] <mchou> but other than that it casuse way more headaches than it's worth
[13:12] <jzu> so I get rid of pulseaudio immediately on a new system, which gets increasingly difficult
[13:12] <mchou> and PA doesn't work very well for voip
[13:12] <mchou> jzu: how about systemd?
[13:12] <jzu> didn't try that, so I can't tell
[13:12] <victhor> my system has a moderate uptime, so sometimes I experience memory leaks from pulseaudio
[13:13] <mchou> jzu: systemd has serious race conditions which prevents me from doing a clean shutdown
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[13:13] <mchou> jzu: and guess what causes the race condition....
[13:13] <jzu> hmmm
[13:13] <mchou> NewtworkManager, another one of his creations
[13:14] <jzu> ah, but this one doesnt work at all
[13:14] <mchou> NetworkManager*
[13:15] <jzu> I mean, pulseaudio works fine until you try something completely foolish, like using audacity
[13:15] <shirro> As bad as NetworkManager and Pulseaudio are I am not looking very fondly back at what came before. iwconfig, esd.
[13:15] <jzu> but NetworkManager is a mystery to me
[13:16] <shirro> jzu: as is pulseaudio. My linux became a mac at some point outside of server stuff
[13:16] <mchou> haha, indeed
[13:16] <victhor> it seems that it is common thinking that everyone has tons of memory and that there is no reason to fix memory leaks, etc :P
[13:16] <mchou> walled garden to boot
[13:16] <mchou> if I wanted a mac I'd just have gotten one
[13:16] <victhor> I know pulseaudio does leak memory here. Don't know if it's my setup or pulseaudio's fault...
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[13:18] <jzu> I often used to get no more sound out of my system, nothing, zilch - only a reboot would fix that
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[13:20] <shirro> Pulseaudio mostly works as expected on my wife's Ubuntu (now). I must admit I moved to a MacBook (it sucks but it really does just work)
[13:21] <jzu> otoh, this is a very difficult problem - dynamically manage audio interfaces
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[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ukscone goy coffee yet?
[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> got*
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[13:32] <techman2> mmmm
[13:32] <techman2> caffeine.
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[13:34] <PReDiToR> I don't know how (or why) some people can't (or won't) drink caffeine drinks. I feel for them, I really do.
[13:35] <weuxel> Because like with anything else some people overreact to it. I had a friend who really got drunk from caffeine.
[13:37] <techman2> seriously?
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[13:37] <weuxel> yes
[13:38] <weuxel> one bottle of coke and he was done
[13:38] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: yes -- found an unopened bottle of water
[13:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[13:38] <ukscone> but the water from the tap is brown and sludgy
[13:39] <ukscone> luckily i have to go out a lot today (lots of external chores to do) so i'll just hit the diner and dunkin' donuts
[13:39] <techman2> ukscone: why is your tap water brown and sludgy?
[13:39] <jamesd256> pure caffeine powder is fun stuff
[13:40] <ukscone> techman2: not sure, think there might have been a watermain break during the night but there was a lot of air in the pipes this morning and it's running very thick
[13:40] <techman2> sounds.. nice.
[13:40] <ukscone> jamesd256: i gave up snorting that years ago -- too old for such things these days
[13:40] <ukscone> oh you mean to just eat :)
[13:40] <jamesd256> cook it up and inject it into your eyes
[13:41] <ukscone> i once od's on caffine pills :)
[13:41] <jamesd256> nah, you just buy some capsules and a capping tray
[13:41] <ukscone> i was on the red eye from LA to Heathrow and had an early meeting in london
[13:41] <ukscone> so i decided to stay away on the plane journey
[13:41] <ukscone> had 7 cups of airline coffee and 2 packets of nodoz
[13:41] <ukscone> talk about a case of the runs :)
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[13:42] <jamesd256> how many pills in a packet, how much caffeine per pill
[13:42] <jamesd256> it is hard to OD on caffeine strictly speaking
[13:43] <shirro> In student days had a friend in dental school. Half a cup of coffee and her hands started shaking. Not a good look for a dentist.
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[13:43] <ukscone> i thini it was 30 per packet and about 200mg iirc per pill but it was years and years ago
[13:43] <jamesd256> the thing is people generally don't realise is there is quite a dynamic tolerance to caffeine
[13:43] <ukscone> it was 1989
[13:43] <jamesd256> ok, that's a lot
[13:44] <ukscone> personally i don't think it was the nodoz i think it was the airline coffee, that'll give anyone a bad case of tummy probs
[13:44] <techman2> you must have been rather twitchy
[13:44] <ukscone> yep
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[13:52] <techman2> I can't imagine being that buzzed
[13:52] <techman2> 1 coffee gets me going enough
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[13:55] <techman2> alrighty
[13:55] <techman2> I'm off
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[15:09] <AidyFS> better?
[15:09] <AidyFS> ah :)
[15:09] <AidyFS> (my irc client got confused as to which network this channel belonged to)
[15:10] <oldtopman> heh
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[15:10] <oldtopman> This be the land o' freenode
[15:10] <fakker> oaaaaargh
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[15:30] <joohoo340> has any one gotten the fedora remix working in qemu on opensuse?
[15:33] <joohoo340> or any instructions for non-ubuntu setting up of qemu
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[15:57] <mkopack> joohoo: hold a sec??? I don't have them for running fedora, but I do for the debian build...
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[15:58] <mkopack> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/
[15:58] <mkopack> There's also this for doing it with Arch: http://nasberrypi.org/2012/03/qemu-virtual-raspberrypi/
[15:59] <mkopack> So some mix of the two should get you going with Fedora
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[15:59] <mkopack> The issue is that you can't use the exact kernel image that comes with any of the linux for Pi builds because the QEMU can't exactly match the hardware on the Rpi, so you have to get a modified kernel that is close
[16:00] <mkopack> Once you do that you should be able to get things up and going
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[16:00] <mkopack> Hope this helps
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[16:00] <mkopack> I assume you've also seen this: http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_Fedora_Remix_Administration
[16:00] <joohoo340> I dont think i have yet
[16:01] <joohoo340> ohh im not even to that point yet to worry about sys admin stuff yet. I still need to get it to boot
[16:01] <mkopack> Well, even so, useful page
[16:02] <mkopack> There was another link on that cnx site that had info on how to compile up QEMU to have the arm1176 processor support in it??? I don't have it bookmarked, but you'll probably need that as well...
[16:03] <mkopack> When you do "qemu --cpu ?" at the command line, it should give a list of all the CPU's your qemu can emulate, you need it to have arm1176 in the list
[16:03] <joohoo340> I was going with these instructions I found here: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/08/instructions-to-run-raspberry-pi-fedora-14-remix-in-qemu/
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[16:04] <mkopack> Ah, hadn't seen that page.
[16:04] <joohoo340> yes I tried to get the newer qemu with arm support but i ran into libz dependency issues,
[16:04] <mkopack> hmm
[16:04] <mkopack> Well ,that's about the most I can help you with unfortunately
[16:04] <mkopack> Good luck! we're all counting on you??? and don't call me Shirley ;)
[16:05] <joohoo340> im thinking that there is some either newer version of libz that ubuntu has released or opensuse has a different set of libs that they are using
[16:05] <des2> I picked a bad week to quit Pi
[16:06] <joohoo340> so im going to see if running it all in ubuntu would work and see what the differences are between the two systems.
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[16:06] <IT_Sean> >.>
[16:06] <IT_Sean> <.<
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[16:07] <joohoo340> Ok just to clarify for future me when I look throught the archives, its zlib not libz
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[16:15] <joohoo340> ok so it seams that ubuntu 11.10 is using a version of zlib 1.2.3 at the present time and opensuse is using a more up to date version of zlib which is 1.2.5
[16:16] <joohoo340> so the instructions I linked to might have a problem with newer versions of zlib
[16:19] <IT_Sean> Dammit... I just spent hte past 4 minutes downloading the WRONG file. :/
[16:19] * IT_Sean downloads the correct file this time
[16:19] <Matt> a whole 4 minutes
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[16:19] <Matt> in that time you could have make a mug of tea
[16:20] <IT_Sean> I'm in a hurry to get this soffware to a customer. So... *********
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[16:21] <Matt> ah, that's always a bugger
[16:21] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[16:21] * IT_Sean has to download this software, test it to see that the programmers fixed a bug, then burn it, and get it into London before EOB today.
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[16:34] <joohoo340> ok so update if you are using these instructions: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/08/instructions-to-run-raspberry-pi-fedora-14-remix-in-qemu/ to get fedora remix running on a non-ubuntu machine you should try to get the proper qemu versions following these instructions https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/Ubuntu/ImageInstallation/NonUbuntu?highlight=%28opensuse%29
[16:34] <Matt> how on earth did it get to 11:30 already
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[16:39] <hotwings> good morning
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[16:41] <unkle_george> resizing the image with the instructions on the cnx page only sort of work
[16:41] <unkle_george> the copy messes with the file permissions
[16:41] <unkle_george> Look through the comments for a better solution
[16:42] <unkle_george> qemu-img resize, echo... losetup...etc
[16:42] <mkopack> Howdy Hot
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[16:43] <mkopack> At this point I give up using the QEMU??? it was nice to get a look at the OS, but at this point I'm just going to wait for the actual RPi
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[16:43] <unkle_george> I was stuck at the 'no keyboard in GUI' bug on the fedora remix
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[16:47] <mkopack> Ah, cool, the rest of my RPi accessories should arrive tomorrow??? on Pi day!
[16:47] <passstab> lol sweet
[16:47] <HienoMies> amazing
[16:48] <passstab> when do you get the pri itself?
[16:48] <passstab> s/p/r/g s/r/p/g
[16:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr48kZwR07E
[16:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm - ignore that stupid wrong window
[16:50] <passstab> yea i waz gonna
[16:50] <mkopack> Newark is still showing March 30 ship date
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[16:50] <mkopack> on the first, and April 2 on the 2nd
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[16:50] <passstab> why is the debian login pi/suse ?
[16:50] <mkopack> My "slice of Pi" unit is also expected to ship out tomorrow (or at least that's what the order page says)
[16:51] <passstab> why suse ?
[16:51] <mkopack> passstab: Who knows..
[16:51] <passstab> btw did you note the logo change?
[16:51] <mkopack> I really hope the wiki gets updated with all these various instructions for the different OS's and such
[16:51] <mkopack> Yeah
[16:52] <mkopack> I suspect there was an issue with the original color??? either it was a trademarked' color or it was more expensive to get it printed or something.
[16:52] <mkopack> Or it just was too dark in relation to real raspberries
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[16:52] <passstab> oh
[16:53] <passstab> i was talking about the tm
[16:53] <passstab> i didn't notice that
[16:53] <des2> I can they really ship the slice of PI before they even have a PI to test it.
[16:53] <mkopack> des: Dunno...
[16:53] <passstab> slice of pi?
[16:53] <mkopack> Of course, for all I know, they've met with the Foundation and tried it out on the beta/production test boards
[16:54] <passstab> what is that?
[16:54] <des2> ww.ebay.com/itm/Slice-of-Pi-add-on-Raspberry-Pi-XBee-XRF-I2C-SPI-breakout-and-proto-board-/320861041887
[16:54] <mkopack> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[16:54] <mkopack> I have one on order.
[16:55] <mkopack> Was only $8 shipped, and I already have the XBee radio modules, so I figured why not?
[16:55] <mkopack> give me a nice way to talk to my arduino robot wirelessly from the Pi
[16:56] <mkopack> there really isn't all that much to it...
[16:56] <mkopack> basically just a simple circuit board with some drilled holes and some headers to solder on
[16:57] <Matt> that's a handy little sort of a thing
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[17:00] <wcchandler> .... "Status: Received" -- "This item has been received and is currently being processed."
[17:00] <wcchandler> Expected Ship Date 13 Mar 2012
[17:01] <mkopack> wc?
[17:01] <mkopack> For your RPi?
[17:02] <mkopack> At this point, I don't believe ANY expected ship dates for the Rpi until we start hearing about actual shipments/ tracking #'s and receipts of actual units
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[17:03] <haltdef> 15th estimated delivery date of my pandaboard :D
[17:03] <mkopack> Ah
[17:03] <mkopack> nice
[17:04] <RaYmAn> haltdef: ES or regular? =P
[17:04] <haltdef> ES!
[17:04] <RaYmAn> nice
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[17:04] <RaYmAn> I really kind of want one of those too, but it's a tad expensive compared to actual uses ;)
[17:04] <haltdef> are you one of the old #unrealircd ops?
[17:04] <RaYmAn> haltdef: yup :P
[17:05] <haltdef> hr
[17:05] <RaYmAn> I thought i recognized your name, lol
[17:05] <haltdef> yea I just got a new job, wanted something cool
[17:05] <RaYmAn> ah, good to reward yourself :P (I went for ordering an ereader as celebration for my new job ;))
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[17:09] <hotwings> well, lets see what my rpi ship dates are today
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[17:10] <hotwings> newark.com going slow as hell again i see :\
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[17:11] <piofcube> Thought I'd let you know... I'll be broadcasting a test show for Open Indie Project Dot Org in about 2 hours. Using old devices to build R-Pi cases. Should be fun if I don't drill through my hand (though I'm not totally discounting that as a possible outcome LOL)
[17:11] <hotwings> 3.5" floppy case?
[17:11] <Da|Mummy> n64 cart?
[17:12] <hotwings> c64 epyx fastload cart!
[17:12] <Thorn_> do you not feel like a twat saying 'Open Indie Project Dot Org' ?
[17:12] <piofcube> I do have a n64 console I was thinking about using
[17:12] <des2> Can anyone tune into the test show piofcube ?
[17:12] <Thorn_> because you look like one ;p
[17:12] <hotwings> good deal, looks like i still have 4/2 and 4/3 for my ship dates
[17:12] <mkopack> hot: hehe??? the #1 required C64 accessory
[17:12] <Da|Mummy> not console, way too big, use n64 cart
[17:12] <hotwings> mkopack - i learned to code for the first time inside the fastload ml monitor :)
[17:13] <mkopack> halt: that panda board looks nice!
[17:13] <des2> I once drilled into my finger.
[17:13] <piofcube> If I used the console I could house the power supply and hub etc
[17:14] <mkopack> hot: hehe.. I learned to code by typing it programs from Compute! and Compute!'s Gazzette magazine...
[17:14] <hotwings> snesPi
[17:14] <Mookman288> WHAT IS THIS
[17:14] <passstab> lol
[17:14] <Mookman288> AUGUST STUFF
[17:14] <mkopack> ???
[17:14] <Thorn_> !!!
[17:14] <hotwings> mkopack - the only thing i didnt like about doing that was it took forever and most of them never worked!! >:(
[17:15] <piofcube> I wonder if I could hack a PSOne so I could use the CD drive or replace it with a DVD?
[17:15] <hotwings> well, typos not excluded but still.. a few i know were right cuz i triple checked
[17:15] <mkopack> hot: Oh, I had really good luck with them??? I think I had like 5 floppies filled with programs I typed in off those.
[17:15] <mkopack> Mook: What August stuff?
[17:15] <hotwings> mkopack - my luck was all the cool stuff was broken, all the lame stuff worked :\
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[17:16] <mkopack> God I remember typing in those long ass ML (decimal or hex) code programs??? I used to be able to do a column of code every 30 minutes??? it was like a challenge for me
[17:17] <Mookman288> mkopack: someone posted that they're backordered until august (for canada at least.)
[17:17] <mkopack> Ouch
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[17:18] <mkopack> worst I've seen so far was June 31
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[17:18] <Mookman288> Hope that doesn't spread down here! Not sure when mine is shipping but I def. ordered late.
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[17:18] <mkopack> Mook: Where did you order from?
[17:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> well as it's worldwide ordeing then it wil eb the same for all
[17:18] <Mookman288> NEWARK
[17:19] <mkopack> Mook: Then just log in and see what it says! I check my order status all the time??? So does Hotwings
[17:19] <mkopack> It'll tell you the "estimated ship date"
[17:19] <passstab> did you registar an account?
[17:19] <Mookman288> mkopack: An estimate is an estimate.
[17:19] <Mookman288> I'm not holding a lot of weight that it's fully accurate.
[17:19] <passstab> i didn't and now i can't get an estimate
[17:19] <mkopack> right, but if I see March 30, I have to figure I'm at least going to get it a lot earlier than people who have a June 31st one!
[17:20] <mkopack> Doh!
[17:20] <SoulShadow> wow june 31st estimated ship date? they're really slow then
[17:21] <mkopack> Yeah, somebody on the forums ordered like 2 days ago saw that ship date and started bitching
[17:21] <mkopack> I don't think most people "get it" that this thing is brand new and production hasn't ramped up...
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[17:22] <mkopack> RS says they have > 200,000 interests registered, and they're getting something like 10 new ones every minute
[17:22] <SoulShadow> well
[17:22] <SoulShadow> production did ramp up
[17:22] <SoulShadow> and then they had to stop
[17:22] <SoulShadow> lol
[17:22] <Mookman288> They very likely could have used analytics to detect how many people were going to purchase in the first month.
[17:23] <mkopack> Now, granted there's many of us who registered multiple times, so in reality demand might be half that??? but then there's many of us who want multiple Pi's, so the demand might actually be 2x that.
[17:23] <Mookman288> And if they needed funds, pre-orders could have been issued before "launch."
[17:23] <SoulShadow> at $25/35 they should have had them made before hand
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[17:23] <SoulShadow> you shouldn't 'sell out' when you have no product to sell to begin with
[17:23] <jamesd256> here we go
[17:24] <mkopack> Well, it is what it is??? no sense bitching about it now...
[17:24] <mkopack> We just have to sit and wait for them to come off the line
[17:24] <SoulShadow> what? i just don't agree with the way they did their sale
[17:24] <mkopack> can't change the past
[17:25] <mkopack> Was it handled super well? No.But we've all seen worse too
[17:25] <Mookman288> And discussing it is then worthless?
[17:25] <Mookman288> I don't see the connection.
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[17:26] <hotwings> this is going to be some serious nerd-rage if rpis start showing up at peoples houses and theres problems with them
[17:26] <jamesd256> Ok, when you have released a revolutionary board yourselves from your own pockets and you get to see what's involved, feel free to come here and say you know better
[17:26] <mkopack> Oh we can talk about it, but we've all seen a lot of bitching and whining here and on the forums and it doesn't really help the situation at all. We're all having to wait.
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[17:26] <SoulShadow> i didn't even get to order one because i wasn't going to sit there for hours waiting for it to load
[17:26] <mkopack> hot: Exactly??? so I'd rather wait and have them make sure they all check out
[17:26] <Mookman288> jamesd256: I didn't know the prerequisite for speaking about any topic was experiencing it first hand.
[17:26] <jamesd256> until then, you have the option to either go away for a year, or keep bitching and trolling and annoying everyone
[17:26] <weasel> hmm. farnell down again?
[17:26] <Mookman288> jamesd256: I'll definitely make a note about that world-wide law and be sure the politicians in my country are aware.
[17:27] <passstab> i'd rather risk it and support a charity
[17:27] <normod> weasel: yup
[17:27] <hotwings> jamesd256 - people expressing their frustration with the rpi situation is NOT trolling
[17:27] <jamesd256> people who say things should have been done differently don't know what they're talking about
[17:27] <SoulShadow> i'm sorry, but there was no way they couldn't have known demand was going to be massive
[17:28] <SoulShadow> jamesd256: and why is that?
[17:28] <SoulShadow> do you have first hand knowledge of how the system works?
[17:28] <SoulShadow> please, tell us all
[17:28] <hotwings> jamesd256 - people are welcome to their opinions. they are no less valid than yours.
[17:28] <Mookman288> jamesd256: It's pretty simple economics here, you have studied the entirety of marketing I'm sure.
[17:28] <SoulShadow> the cheaper your product, the higher the demand
[17:29] <SoulShadow> wow
[17:29] <Mookman288> Not necessarily.
[17:29] <mkopack> Soul: I think they expected it to be what they said all along - mostly hackers and developers??? not huge numbers of general public people??? I think the buzz to the general public went up a ton when the XMBC demo was shown off. That got a LOT of people who really don't know anything about the RPi interested.
[17:29] <Mookman288> Dollar store products, for instance. Quality isn't very high, therefore demand isn't as high.
[17:29] <jamesd256> You guys sound like angry boys who want their toy so blame the foundation for their actions without any inside knowledge of what the challenge involves
[17:29] <mkopack> And a *LOT* of those people didn't read up, they just assumed there would be enough for everyone on day 1...
[17:29] <SoulShadow> i doubt a lot of the orders were 'general public'
[17:29] <SoulShadow> the 'general public' has no idea what it is or how to use it
[17:30] <Mookman288> mkopack: In general, analytics as to the number of individuals who viewed the video, commented on the video, visited the site and the forums, in addition to simple tools such as polling would have given them a pretty fair ballpark figure.
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[17:30] <hotwings> jamesd256 - youre making a HORRIBLE assumption by thinking nobody here has any knowledge and/or experience bringing products to market. you couldnt be more wrong and in that regard it's _you_ that doesnt know what youre talking about.
[17:30] <SoulShadow> i still wish it had wifi built in
[17:31] <hotwings> SoulShadow - that would have significantly increased the price
[17:31] <jamesd256> The situation with pi is different
[17:31] <Mookman288> I'm hoping someone buys all those miniwifi plugs and sees which is the best.
[17:31] <SoulShadow> hotwings: ehh i don't know about 'significantly'
[17:32] <hotwings> jamesd256 - the situation with rpi is NOT a unique one.
[17:32] <BCMM> SoulShadow: why? if they had, it would just be a USB wifi module, which you'd have to pay for
[17:32] <BCMM> so just pay for one separately, and plug it in...
[17:32] <jamesd256> even if they knew the demand beforehand, they did not choose to go down the route of product launch in the normal way
[17:32] <SoulShadow> BCMM they could have integrated it into the board
[17:32] <SoulShadow> just annoying it takes up a usb port, but whatever
[17:32] <jamesd256> therefore they never were going to have the capacity to deal with all the nerd rage
[17:33] <jamesd256> if this was a normal product, profit would need to be much higher
[17:33] <jamesd256> that
[17:33] <jamesd256> that's what you moaners don't get
[17:33] <jamesd256> there is only enough profit in this to sustain the foundation
[17:33] <des2> Instead of arguing about the past how about arguing about the present.
[17:33] <jamesd256> not to pay for investers
[17:33] <des2> Like where are the 10,000 Pis now ?
[17:33] <SoulShadow> at the factory
[17:34] <des2> In China ?
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[17:34] <SoulShadow> i'd assume so
[17:34] <des2> See you assume.
[17:34] <hotwings> jamesd256 - this has nothing to do with "normal".. the rpif is going through the growing pains of being in business for the first time. they are making mistakes, and they are learning from them. this is absolutely typical of people who try to 'do it all themselves'
[17:34] <des2> Cause they haven't explicitly said so.
[17:34] <SoulShadow> they said they shipped them back
[17:34] <SoulShadow> i heard nothing about them shipping them back from china
[17:35] <des2> Why did Liz say they should be shipped out to customers this week ?
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[17:35] <jamesd256> wrong: the foundation is a charity not a business
[17:35] <hotwings> jamesd256 - as far as the profit.. you dont know what any of the numbers are.. you dont know what the components cost, the boards, the manufacturing, the shipping, ... the cost or profit margin
[17:35] <jamesd256> thats where you make your mistaken judgements
[17:35] <SoulShadow> a charity is still a business if they're selling something
[17:35] <jamesd256> it's not a business. it's not a profit driven motive.
[17:35] <hotwings> jamesd256 - charity and non-profits are still a business
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[17:35] <jamesd256> charities are not businesses
[17:35] <Mookman288> jamesd256: The investors would have been the consumers.,
[17:36] <SoulShadow> yes they are
[17:36] <hotwings> yes, they are.. the fact that you dont even know that puts your credibility at about zero
[17:36] <Mookman288> A lot of companies use their customers as investors.
[17:36] <des2> http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/21025/ss/notThisShitAgain.gif
[17:36] <jamesd256> lets look at the dictionary shall we?
[17:36] <jamesd256> business: 2.
[17:36] <jamesd256> the purchase and sale of goods in an attempt to make a profit
[17:37] <hotwings> how about you look at the forms to register a non-profit instead
[17:37] <jamesd256> charity: 4.
[17:37] <jamesd256> a charitable fund, foundation, or institution: He left his estate to a charity.
[17:38] <des2> Lets use the common acronym NPO. Non-profit organization.
[17:38] <des2> In liew of business
[17:39] <RITRedbeard> I say we nuke the entire site from orbit.
[17:39] <jamesd256> charities and businesses share some common attributes, but they are fundamentally motivated by completely different things
[17:39] <mkopack> des: I'm with you
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[17:40] <RITRedbeard> My name isn't des.
[17:40] <jamesd256> for the sake of this 'discussion' the key things are the motivation and the infrastructure of the foundataion
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi Foundation;
[17:41] <jamesd256> a business typically attracts initial investment and has the possibility to benefit from kind of planning adaptability and benefits from the economies of scale through its buying power
[17:41] <hotwings> jamesd256 - nothing you say will change the fact that theyre a business.
[17:41] <Mookman288> Is the motivation of the foundation to bring a $25 and $35 computer platform to the masses?
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> Motivations: To piss me off and be the biggest technological cocktease
[17:42] <RITRedbeard> Infrastructure: Non-existent. Too many engineers, not enough sales/logistics people.
[17:42] <lennard> sounds like they did a good job then
[17:42] <jamesd256> RIT: who will pay for all the sales /logistics people?
[17:42] <drazyl> hotwings whilst a charity may technically be a business, it is not what most people would generally understand the meaning of a business to be
[17:43] <RITRedbeard> They don't need to be paid, it is a NPO.
[17:43] <jamesd256> the technial resemblances are purely down to the convenience of a common set of conventions and laws
[17:43] <hotwings> drazyl - jamesd256 apparently lack of knowledge doesnt change the fact though
[17:43] <jamesd256> fundamentally, they are not the same things
[17:43] <hotwings> *apparent
[17:43] <drazyl> hotwings maybe not, but it doesn't stop you looking like a cock either
[17:43] <mkopack> Right, typically a Charity that sells stuff does so in order to take any profits and reinvest to make the charity able to help more people
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[17:44] <mkopack> rather than pay out profits to it's investors
[17:44] <RITRedbeard> They should have just called Melinda and Bill Gates.
[17:44] <RITRedbeard> Problem fucking solved.
[17:44] <hotwings> drazyl - i didnt realize correcting someone is being a cock but ok.
[17:44] <mkopack> RIT: and then we'd all be stuck having to run Windows 8 on it! No thanks!
[17:44] <hotwings> +1 mkopack
[17:44] <Mookman288> So it would then have been wise to gauge the level of interest of their product, plan a method for primary investment from said interest, and use that investment to be ready for their intended launch.
[17:44] <jamesd256> how about all the people bitching like little girls and polluting the discussion with their vitriol go away for a year?
[17:44] <jamesd256> that's my suggestion
[17:44] <jamesd256> then we can go back to discussing the PI
[17:45] <jamesd256> I didn't get my toy - daddy that nasty man did it all wrong waaaah
[17:45] <Mookman288> I'm pretty sure the conversation was entirely civil until you started speaking.
[17:45] <mkopack> james: What's worse are the 40+ yr olds doing the whining :)
[17:45] <hotwings> jamesd256 - rather than pretend you know something about a topic which you clearly dont, why dont you calm down and open your ears.. you might actually learn something from those of us who have experience in this area
[17:46] <jamesd256> i will not rise to any presumtions or silly personal comments about me
[17:46] <jamesd256> so give up
[17:46] <des2> If it takes the world by storm Microsoft will find some way to get windows on it.
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[17:47] <Hourd> des2: and lock it to windows
[17:47] <jamesd256> i just find it a shame that the whiners are joining force and taking over the channel now
[17:47] <hotwings> jamesd256 - theres nothing to give up.. youve made it quite clear you have no clue what youre talking about. its very blatant.
[17:47] <RITRedbeard> It isn't about "bitching" about not getting toys, take your rose tinted glasses off.
[17:47] <jamesd256> this channel is really not here for you to whine about things; don't you get that?
[17:48] <RITRedbeard> By the Foundation's own timeline and standards, they are failing.
[17:48] <des2> I don't think they can lock it to windows but they'd just do what they are doing in the third world, giving windows away for next to nothing to keep Linux from being installed on it.
[17:48] <jamesd256> why not start your own channel to make comments like this
[17:48] <hotwings> jamesd256 - you remind me of another user that used to be in here... lienus... he was banned
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[17:49] <jamesd256> it's so obvious you are all letting your personal disappointment about not getting your pi boil over into frustration and criticism when you don't fully grasp the concept or motivations involved
[17:49] <Mookman288> jamesd256: You are really the only person whining. The conversation was discussing the plan of action they took, and the outcome of that action. It then broke into this war once you had a tantrum over the content of the discussion.
[17:50] <jamesd256> I have said nothing controversial
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> It isn't just personal disappointment. Their plan or lack thereof sucked and continues to do such.
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> How many schools have RPi in them?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> How many individuals have RPi?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> 10?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> 20?
[17:50] <jamesd256> I am allowed to say that I think this channel would be better of without these discussions
[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> 15
[17:50] <Mookman288> Yes, but you are doing it in a manner which makes you out to be quite untasteful.
[17:50] <rm> more
[17:51] <rm> and they gonna flunk the 'educational release'
[17:51] <rm> and gonna blissfully act in a "not our fault" manner
[17:51] <hotwings> jamesd256 - do you have any idea at all how much of a complete fool you sound like? its really pathetic
[17:51] <jamesd256> to those who wish to continue this line of conversation, yes I can see you wouldn't like my comments, but I don't like yours either
[17:51] <jamesd256> see, I'm not the one being offensive mook
[17:51] <jamesd256> if you can't see that that's your issue
[17:52] <jamesd256> how come you don't see that certain people are being downright rude to me all along? because they're on your side?
[17:52] <mkopack> ok, can we stop the personal attacks? We all have different views on this subject. The fact is, there's NOTHIGN any of us can do about it. It is what it is...
[17:52] <hotwings> [09:44:27] <jamesd256> I didn't get my toy - daddy that nasty man did it all wrong waaaah <--- yes, clearly youre not trying to offend anyone in this channel....except most of them
[17:52] <drazyl> RITRedbeard you understand this was effectively a release to engineering cycle not a release to education?
[17:52] <Mookman288> I believe the following statements are highly offensive: "jamesd256: how about all the people bitching like little girls and polluting the discussion with their vitriol go away for a year?" "jamesd256: I didn't get my toy - daddy that nasty man did it all wrong waaaah" "jamesd256: You guys sound like angry boys who want their toy so blame the foundation for their actions without any inside knowledge of what the challenge invol
[17:53] <mkopack> We all are stuck having to sit here and wait for the Pi's to come. Until then, bitch if you want.. some don't mind talking about the faults, some do, but in the end, it's all just talk.
[17:53] <Mookman288> Especially the last one
[17:53] <jamesd256> not one of my comments has been directed to an individual
[17:53] <mkopack> We can't fix any of it
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> drazyl, do you understand triple constraints and production time?
[17:53] <Mookman288> I believe the last two comments were directed to the individuals taking part of the conversation
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> Also, if money was ever an issue... I don't see a donate button on the RPi page.
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> Do you?
[17:53] <Mookman288> Which would have at least included myself.
[17:53] <hotwings> jamesd256 will probably wind up just like lienus did so we probably wont be subjected to his ranting ignorance much longer
[17:53] <jamesd256> did I address you?
[17:53] <jamesd256> no, i didn't
[17:53] <Mookman288> You were speaking to those in the conversation, therefore, yes you were.
[17:54] <jamesd256> so you assume i refer to you
[17:54] <mkopack> ok, since this is going nowhere, I'm going to go fetch some lunch
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[17:54] <Mookman288> You simply stated that you were not being offensive.
[17:54] <Mookman288> Clearly you were being offensive.
[17:54] <Mookman288> Now you're trying to change the subject of your statement by saying that you weren't talking to anyone. Ok.
[17:54] <drazyl> RITRedbeard enlighten me with how you think that makes any difference
[17:54] <jamesd256> i didn't say i wasn't talking to anyone
[17:54] <Mookman288> If you didn't sound like a complete tool as hotwings said beforehand, you do now.
[17:55] <jamesd256> i was talking generally about this channel
[17:55] <alk_> give it up guys :D
[17:55] <alk_> have a break, get a cuppa
[17:55] <alk_> come back, feel better
[17:55] <des2> The first batches are beta testers and developers for the education release later.
[17:56] <drazyl> I too see a lot of people complaining about things without understanding the scope of things to begin with
[17:56] <RITRedbeard> drazyl, the ability to produce more units since demand is apparently astronomical.
[17:56] <alk_> you're not going to convince each other that you're right
[17:56] <drazyl> RITRedbeard they did not have that ability, the first batch was limited to what the charity could afford to produce
[17:56] <RITRedbeard> So where is the donate button?
[17:56] <RITRedbeard> The only fundraising they did was the auction.
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[17:57] <drazyl> RITRedbeard correct, the foundation does not work on the principal of public fundraising
[17:57] <RITRedbeard> Because?
[17:57] <drazyl> RITRedbeard whether you agree or not with that, that is a decision they made, presumably based on the skills, time and people involved
[17:58] <piofcube> The lack of a donate button can be because of several reasons. 1) Some people that donate will then complain why should they now pay after donating. 2) For some it would be classed as some sort of contract stating the R-Pis would be made. 3) Several other reasons such as they weren't sure if anything would come of it and if they couldn't produce it, how could they re-pay funds if some-one made a big deal out of it?
[17:58] <drazyl> RITRedbeard once they get into raising money in advance, they have to track it, account for it, ensure that it is kept separate from other funds, the legal requirements are quite onerous
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> That's weak.
[17:59] <drazyl> RITRedbeard no it's not, and you would appear not to have a basic understanding of the issues
[17:59] <RITRedbeard> It is a cop-out.
[17:59] <des2> It's a good idea to only produce 10,000 or so as a first batch. And the jack issue illustrates why.
[17:59] <drazyl> RITRedbeard it doesn't matter how often you say that, it doesn't make it true
[18:00] <drazyl> RITRedbeard do you know the UK law surrounding a registered charity?
[18:00] <RITRedbeard> You're implying that only 4-5 people that make up this foundation actually give a shit about the success of the project and its educational goals.
[18:00] <RITRedbeard> It sounds like a personal problem.
[18:01] <drazyl> RITRedbeard no, I'm saying you know f-all about the legislation that they have to abide by
[18:01] <drazyl> but you want to spout as if you are an expert
[18:01] <RITRedbeard> Are you a lawyer?
[18:01] <drazyl> RITRedbeard do you know the UK law surrounding a registered charity?
[18:01] <mchou> wtf man
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[18:01] <drazyl> I have run a UK company so I have a small amount of knowledge of the paperwork involved
[18:01] <mchou> just buy a roku and hack that
[18:02] <mchou> no need for heartburn
[18:02] <RITRedbeard> Then register the charity somewhere else.
[18:02] <drazyl> it's a UK charity you moron
[18:02] <mchou> not vaporware either
[18:02] <RITRedbeard> It doesn't have to be in the UK.
[18:02] <drazyl> it's not founded to avoid tax, but to provide charitable service in the UK
[18:02] <RITRedbeard> I can form an LLC out of my country
[18:02] <mchou> cause when all is said and done a roku is probably cheaper
[18:03] <drazyl> and this is why jamesd256 gets so pissed off
[18:03] <drazyl> they didn't do all this so you can have a cheap linux box
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> I don't want a cheap linux box.
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> I want a machine so I can teach my students.
[18:04] <RITRedbeard> As in, the goals Eben, et al set forth.
[18:04] <drazyl> right, so you should understand and appreciate the work they have done and how they are working within the framework that is important to them
[18:04] <hotwings> drazyl - im sure the rpif has good intentions but to think theres no financial expectation is a bit naive
[18:04] <RITRedbeard> extremely naive
[18:04] <drazyl> if you want a US based charity to do the same, then speak to a local one so they can work within their framework
[18:04] <hotwings> even people with the best intentions expect a paycheck
[18:05] <drazyl> hotwings they have been doing it in their own time, so how does that work
[18:05] <RITRedbeard> but even still
[18:05] <hotwings> drazyl - when would you expect them to do it, on their employers time?
[18:05] <drazyl> hotwings you seem to think they have to be paid to do it
[18:06] <mchou> I stand by my earlier position. the could have sold the no-eternet version for $25 and called it a day
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[18:06] <mchou> no need for rework
[18:06] <drazyl> mchou it wouldn't be a model A tho with the USB hub built in
[18:06] <mchou> ramp up production for 2nd round
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[18:06] <mchou> drazyl: hmm??
[18:07] <hotwings> theyre not currently being paid, so no of course i dont think they have to be paid... but if you think they will refuse pay when the rpif is able to give it, youve got your head in the clouds
[18:07] <drazyl> it would mean you'd end up with 3 versions in the wild, A, B and notquite-either
[18:07] <drazyl> hotwings no, you are just a cynic
[18:07] <mchou> drazyl: I know the specs arent the same as model A, but it is in fact superior, no?
[18:07] <Kolin> charitys can pay salaries to employes you know...
[18:07] <piofcube> Trustees are not employees BTW
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[18:08] <hotwings> drazyl - have you lost your mind? im not remotely close to a cynic... i just live in reality, where even people working for non-profits dont expect to do it for free.
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[18:08] <drazyl> hotwings plenty of people work for charities for free over here, maybe not in your country
[18:09] <mchou> drazyl: plus I can't think of a reason why the SW wouldn't work on all three versions.....
[18:09] <piofcube> There are very limited circumstances where a Trustee can be paid for their work but that must be written into their Constitution from the start
[18:09] <drazyl> mchou true, but it might complicate matters, not definitely, but might
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[18:10] <RITRedbeard> hotwings, yes... but should be a civic duty, RPF cause is very noble but wrought with complications due to some incompetence, bad circumstances, and many people wanting to ride the coattails of a cheap toy.
[18:10] <mchou> drazyl: since it's an "engineering sample" not bona-fide release I think it would have been fine
[18:10] <hotwings> drazyl - as i said, to think, or even worse, assume, there's absolutely zero financial motivation for the rpif founders, is very naive
[18:10] <RITRedbeard> I expect when the units finally ship in June or whatever that there will be many just sitting in closets or drawers, forgotten.
[18:11] <drazyl> hotwings no, I prefer my world to yours, I think to assume there is always a financial motivation is absurd
[18:11] <mchou> RITRedbeard: are you saying there will be no shipments at all by next week?
[18:11] <jamesd256> drazyl: thank you for restoring a sane view
[18:11] <piofcube> RITRedBeard: I can many r-pis being stuffed in drawers and forgotten about like yesterday's xmas presents... Same with many gizmos
[18:11] <jamesd256> it's naive to think anyone actually wants to change the world for the better without any personal gain
[18:11] <mchou> RITRedbeard: serious q, since I haven't checked
[18:11] <hotwings> drazyl - the majority of time there is so its beyond reasonable to take this view
[18:11] <jamesd256> I'm glad that's not my world view
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[18:12] <drazyl> hotwings that is an opinion not a fact
[18:12] <RITRedbeard> mchou, I have no idea, all the retailers are so swamped
[18:12] <jamesd256> what if someone comes out and states their motivations plainly?
[18:12] <jamesd256> do you still take the view they must by lying and are only after profit behind the facade?
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[18:13] <hotwings> drazyl - no, its fact. in case you dont know, the accounting is public information
[18:13] <jamesd256> that's the definition of cynism
[18:13] <mchou> jamesd256: it's not cynism when there is incompetence
[18:13] <drazyl> hotwings sorry, where is this public information that proves the majority of people working for charities do it purely for financial motiviation?
[18:14] <hotwings> jamesd256 - nobody has said what you just proposed
[18:14] <mchou> jamesd256: like how about who's responsibility is it to check the BOM?
[18:14] <RITRedbeard> Gentlemen, I wash my hands of this weirdness.
[18:14] <piofcube> Not everyone has hidden agendas... And TBH second-guessing motives of the Trustees/Founders gets us nowhere. They have stated why they wanted to make the R-Pi and the fact they started it as a Charity supports those statements.
[18:15] <jamesd256> RIT: you're leaving??!
[18:15] <hotwings> drazyl - office of public records, or where ever theyre kept in the uk... and NOBODY said anything about purely financial motivation
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[18:15] <hotwings> NOBODY said anything about lying as jamesd256 is trying to claim
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[18:15] <mchou> jamesd256: what, you gonna handcuff him to his irc client?
[18:15] <hotwings> pay attention if youre going to participating in the conversation
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1129409&SubsidiaryNumber=0
[18:15] <doug> huh, is rpf trying to take over the world?
[18:16] <mkopack> Wow, we're STILL on this? LOL
[18:16] <RITRedbeard> I'm not leaving there is just no where to go.
[18:16] <hotwings> NOBODY said anything about a hidden agenda
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[18:16] <RITRedbeard> So I'm going to look at RC plane pron.
[18:16] <mchou> haha
[18:16] <mchou> that's stress relief!
[18:16] <gobby> Is this *still* going?
[18:17] <mkopack> RIT: oh share!!!
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[18:17] <mkopack> Another hobby I don't have the time or money for !
[18:17] <mchou> rc plane drone driven by RPi!
[18:17] <piofcube> There has been many comments about using a Charity for personal financial gain. That could be considered as having a hidden agenda.
[18:17] <mchou> I like!
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[18:18] <gobby> Like the Parrot AR drone?
[18:18] <hotwings> piofcube - nobody accused rpif as using it for financial gain..
[18:18] <mchou> lol
[18:19] <mchou> james256 left
[18:19] <mchou> wtf
[18:19] <piofcube> hotwings: I think I must be in a different channel to you LOL
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[18:19] <mchou> guess he couldn't take the heat
[18:19] <hotwings> piofcube - please provide just one quote where someone said the rpif is just using it for personal financial gain
[18:19] <mkopack> Yeah, that ARDrone 2.0 looks nice. but not much for a payload...
[18:20] <des2> Thank you for the useful link RaTTuS|BIG
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[18:20] <BCMM> "There has been many comments" is a classic example of what they call "weasel words" on Wikipedia
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> np
[18:21] <hotwings> i dont see how saying its naive to assume theres absolutely zero financial motivation turns into accusing rpif of only doing it for personal profit, hidden agendas, rpif lying, etc.... is it really that hard of a concept to grasp that they _may_ expect to be paid.. especially if they want to work for rpif full-time?
[18:22] <hotwings> 'hey, we can supply a useful device and make a living while helping people'....... ZOMG YOURE A CYNIC !!!!!!!!!!!
[18:23] <mchou> hotwings: quite frankly I wouldn't really care if directors of Rpif got paid handsomely...if they could execute
[18:23] <mchou> hotwings: right now the whole "paid" discussion is a sideshow
[18:24] <hotwings> mchou - i hope they do well, i hope theyre paid well.. and if they want to buy a ferrari and a mansion with it, go for it. if they want to donate it all, go for it.
[18:24] <mchou> hotwings: well, that my point really
[18:24] <mkopack> NOTHING wrong with the people at the foundation getting some payment (maybe enough to quit their day jobs)??? MOST executives of Non-Profits get paid??? But I would agree that if they're getting paid as though it's their full time job (which it ISN'T) they'd need to execute a bit better.
[18:24] <doug> i'd think it important that the rpf end up sustaining itself financially, which is gonna be damned hard to do on profits from boards alone
[18:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> well I know they have put up houses to raise capital ....
[18:24] <mchou> hotwings: since they aren't really excuting they sure don't get the mansion :)
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[18:26] <mkopack> doug: I think that was one of the big reasons they went the contract distributor route??? The foundation doesn't have to front the costs of production nor deal with the customer service costs, distribution costs, etc. They just take their $1 profit per board and reinvest that to paying for their time + server hosting + giving out scholarships to kids who do great things with the RPi
[18:27] <Fragmint> heck, I wouldn't mind paying a few dollars more per board if they were available sooner
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Offer $4K, and some may pop up sooner
[18:28] <mchou> haha
[18:28] <mchou> Fragmint: why not just buy a roku
[18:28] <traeak> sales, support and manufacturing are a PITA
[18:28] <traeak> espeically if you hvae no experience
[18:28] <traeak> mchou: roku is currently hackable?
[18:28] <mchou> Fragmint: $60
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[18:29] <traeak> if roku can be treated just like an rpi that would actually be pretty appealing
[18:29] <mchou> traeak: well that's my point
[18:29] <mchou> same HW really
[18:29] <traeak> mchou: can it be ?
[18:29] <traeak> roku has nand i think
[18:29] <mchou> traeak: you guess is as good as mine :)
[18:29] <mchou> your*
[18:30] <traeak> mchou: that's no fun, making wild claims then :-p
[18:30] <doug> the foundation is making $1 profit per board?
[18:30] <doug> i guess it's a charity...
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[18:30] <mkopack> doug: I don't know the exact amount, but they do make SOMETHINg on each board sold
[18:30] <mkopack> It's not much
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[18:30] <traeak> need to fund activities, etc
[18:30] <traeak> going to shows, marketing, exposure
[18:31] <traeak> prolly paying some people as well
[18:31] <mkopack> I just threw $1 out there as a nice round easy number to work with
[18:31] <doug> it's less than not much, there's no possibility of them being sustainable at $1/board
[18:31] <piofcube> A Charity does not make a "profit" hence the term "non-profit organisation"... They can get a higher return than expense but as that money must be used for the "public benefit" it shouldn't be confused with "profit".
[18:31] <mkopack> doug: Why's that? They have ZERO full time employees to fund...
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[18:31] <traeak> licensing codecs is interesting
[18:32] <traeak> but in some cases wasteful
[18:32] <traeak> rpi sort of has an identity crisis
[18:32] <mchou> traeak: which is why a model C would be cool :)
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[18:32] <mchou> C for codecs!
[18:32] <doug> if they cannot keep anyone fed and alive, they are going to have huge problems
[18:32] <traeak> mchou: you mean with just the ethernet desoldered ?
[18:33] <piofcube> This is why some Charities are actual two organisations.. The non-profit and commercial bodies under the same name.
[18:33] <traeak> someone using an rpi for robotics couldn't give a rip about licensed codecs
[18:33] <mchou> traeak: what are you referring to?
[18:33] <doug> is someone is bitching about the founding profiting on the boards? if so, they are idiots.
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[18:33] <mkopack> doug: Given that RS+Farnell now does all the manufacturing, customer service, order processing and distribution, what expenses does the RPF have to cover? Just their server hosting fees, maybe 1 person to admin it, and marketing activities / sending Eben places to meet with politicians and schools and such.
[18:33] <mchou> traeak: the ethernet comment
[18:33] <traeak> mchou: model "c" being model "b" with ether desoldered :-p
[18:33] <doug> continuing development is one of the largest costs of hardware projects
[18:34] <mchou> traeak: nono, model C is B with codec licensing
[18:34] <mkopack> They said that ideally what they'd like to do with the "profits" is use them to give scholarships to student who produce interesting RPi software??? thus helping encourage students to go into CS and go to college for it
[18:35] <hotwings> piofcube - profit is literally sale price - cost of bring the product to market. non-profits are called non-profit because 100% - overhead is to be reinvested, not pocketed
[18:35] <mchou> traeak: I saide earlier they should have made the first shipment of non-functional B's into A's
[18:35] <doug> salaries are a hefty part of that, but not the only part: analyzers, prototyping materials, testing rigs, etc.
[18:35] <traeak> nah, the 2 usb is still useful somewhat :-p
[18:35] <doug> they should use any profit from the board to fund further development of the board first and foremost
[18:36] <piofcube> rent... legal expenses, R&D costs... stationary, postage, software, electricity, rates... etc etc etc
[18:36] <traeak> doug: probably spend the initial money trying to push awareness of the rpi into educational institutions
[18:37] <hotwings> doug - they need a working business framework before anything else
[18:37] <hotwings> they already have a market-ready product
[18:37] <doug> "working business framework," that's far from a standard thing
[18:37] <traeak> hotwings: or so they say :-p
[18:37] <doug> best to concentrate on practicalities
[18:37] <traeak> now they need to sit back, allow manufacture to happen and basically publicize the rpi like mad
[18:38] <des2> 2 ubs = keyboard + mouse.
[18:38] <des2> Which almost all computers have.
[18:38] <hotwings> doug - if the business backend is not in a functioning state, having a product is almost useless
[18:38] <des2> Which is why even the A would benefit from 2 USB
[18:38] <traeak> des2: it requires an extra chip to do the 2 usb
[18:39] <doug> the most critical thing for the foundation is to try and get more money
[18:39] <des2> Yes so you have to buy a $5 hub instead
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> I want devicemode.
[18:39] <doug> someone oughta be focusing on that full-time, and they oughta be paid for their work
[18:39] <piofcube> doug: A very difficult thing for any Charity to do these days... Raise money...
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Raising money is easy.
[18:40] <mkopack> doug: I know Liz said they were hiring a girl to work full time on the site / admin and such???
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Just get a fork lift.
[18:40] <doug> yeah, it's difficult. which is why someone should be concentrating on it full-time.
[18:40] <doug> someone good, not just an "admin"
[18:40] <mkopack> One step at a time man!
[18:41] <mkopack> they couldn't afford anything more than that until boards started being produced and sold...
[18:41] <doug> spending money on an admin before having a rainmaker is not the right first step
[18:41] <hotwings> last i heard rpf isn't accepting donations, isnt engaged in any fund raising, and it not pursuing any partnerships or sponsors
[18:41] <hotwings> *is not
[18:42] <doug> if that's true, it's a fast route to irrelevancy
[18:42] <mkopack> Well, aside from RS+Farell now...
[18:42] <hotwings> rs & farnell is a licensing deal, they dont have anything to do with the operation of rpf
[18:43] <mkopack> right, but they're the production/distribution partners
[18:44] <piofcube> You have to be very careful with sponsors... Choose the wrong one and it can suggest many things about the foundation and its goals
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[18:45] <hotwings> piofcube - very true. but youll have a hard time sustaining yourself without any, or donations, or fund raisers
[18:46] <mkopack> Oooh, interesting RPi case design: http://solidworksbootcamp.com/raspberry-pi-board-b-enclosure/
[18:46] <piofcube> If the RPF wants to go down the Open Source route (even if it's purely for their educational resources etc) then having a sponsor that is closed-source could be counter-productive.
[18:46] <mkopack> the designer is going to use the RPi CAD drawings as a model for his students @ Auburn University in Alabama to use for drafting case designs
[18:47] <des2> Yeah like Broadcom
[18:47] <hotwings> hey i see the logo on that case. rpf better get a royalty payment! :)
[18:47] <piofcube> And in the begining, I doubt any potential sponsors would have been interested unless they thought it would benefit them more.
[18:47] <mkopack> It's an interesting case design.
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[18:48] <des2> RPF just needs to get the first batch of 10,000 out now.
[18:49] <mkopack> yeah, that's the paramount priority
[18:50] <piofcube> We've had a few queries from companies wanting to sponsor us but they wanted to add tracking to our site and inserting ads and other things which we simply could not do.
[18:52] <hotwings> advertising is usually what a sponsor wants in return :)
[18:52] <des2> Exactly
[18:52] <des2> Like sponsorship on race cars
[18:53] <piofcube> advertising is okay in principle but you can't "jump into bed" with just anyone.. Particularly when those potential sponsors has a bad reputation for privacy issues.
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[18:54] <piofcube> Or if the company is totally un-connected with what the Charity is doing
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[18:56] <hotwings> unfortunately a lot of sponsoring/partnering doesnt happen because of religious issues.. even though there would be mutual benefit
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[18:57] <mchou> Jesus for Pi?
[18:58] <traeak> if they could provide today i'd bet they could easily sell the 100k rpis that rhombust would love to sell
[18:58] <piofcube> Loaves and PIshes (sorry, bad joke but the only one I coulod think of LOL)
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[19:05] <hotwings> mchou - in general
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[19:13] <mkopack> Maybe they'll have a big announcement tomorrow for Pi day
[19:14] <mkopack> Not holding my breath, but maybe!
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[19:15] <HienoMies> maybe, maybe not
[19:15] <HienoMies> prolly so tired they gonna just relax
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[19:17] <des2> At least they could announce where the 10,000 PIs are on PI day
[19:17] <mkopack> des: Yeah, that's what I'm hoping...
[19:17] <SoulShadow> probably don't really care if you care where they are or not
[19:17] <HienoMies> we r not worthy
[19:17] <mkopack> Liz mentioned that she's on a 10 day vacation right now though
[19:18] <mkopack> so limited postings from them
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[19:19] <des2> Yeah tought to post a 1 line update as to the PIs' location.
[19:20] <piofcube> lol.. give us the Fed-Ex tracking number!
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[19:23] <mkopack> pio: Yeah, and of course, NOBODY would consider / attempt hijacking that shipment??? Nah! LOL
[19:23] <Ticho> security through obscurity?
[19:23] <mkopack> hey, sometimes it works!
[19:23] <mkopack> If you don't know where it is, how can you steal it?
[19:24] <des2> I'd settle for "at factory in china being retrofitted" or "in transit from china to UK" or "at UK customs" or "arrived at RS/Farnell"
[19:24] <mkopack> yeah, SOMETHING would be nice...
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[19:26] <des2> They're pretty free with shoulds like "should be shipping to customers next (this) week", but not good with what's actually happening.
[19:26] <HienoMies> "Shipment is somewhere between UK and China, have a nice day!"
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[19:28] <des2> Don't forget to add the direction it is travelling Hieno.
[19:28] <hotwings> 'should' turns into 'is' pretty quickly when people are anxious
[19:31] <des2> Have you got it flashing its LED RITRedbeard ?
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[19:32] <RITRedbeard> Are you being facetious or serious?
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[19:32] <des2> Well my Arduino is flashing its lef.
[19:32] <des2> led.
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[19:33] <des2> Gotta keep it busy doing something.
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[19:34] <HienoMies> Better to have Arduino than nothing
[19:34] <HienoMies> Runs no Linux bur sure flashes leds
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[19:39] <RITRedbeard> des2, I have but I haven't messed with it in a long time
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[19:40] <RITRedbeard> because the FTDI/USB to Serial cable's driver crashes when the buffer gets too big for W7
[19:40] <RITRedbeard> so I have to hurry up, connect via serial, set up ssh and unplug the sucker
[19:40] <RITRedbeard> I think right now I have the bifferboard in a kernel panic :D
[19:40] <RITRedbeard> at least if I can recall correctly that is where I left off...
[19:42] <des2> Damn 486es
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[19:42] <mkopack> des: LOL??? hey, at least you have it doing SOMETHING, right? :)
[19:42] <des2> Gotta keep it busy!
[19:43] <mkopack> (Btw, for those who were around last night when I started having SheevaPlug issues??? I just had to power cycle it??? apparently it hung when I tried to do a "reboot -h 0" ??? didn't boot back up
[19:43] <mkopack> working fine now, but I still can't seem to connect to it via vnc
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[19:44] <mkopack> It's blinking and flashing, flashing and blinking???.. I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!
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[19:45] <HienoMies> http://troll.me?p=287069
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[20:55] <kallisti5> whoooo
[20:55] <swcdx> hooooo
[20:55] <zleap> ho
[20:55] <zleap> hi
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[20:55] <HienoMies> whaaaaa
[20:55] * kallisti5 's order changed from backordered to "Received" on newark
[20:55] <zleap> any update from RS on stuff
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[20:55] <mkopack> OOH!?
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[20:55] <kallisti5> ship date is still today :D
[20:56] <zleap> OK
[20:56] <zleap> have they fixed all the network adapter issues then
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[20:56] <kallisti5> no idea. I may of lucked out and am getting one of the 'fixed' boards from china?
[20:57] <kallisti5> maybe the network jack issue only effected the first 10k?
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[20:57] <kallisti5> who knows. I just hope the ship date doesn't slide ^_^
[20:58] <zleap> me too, hopefully Rs will be in touch next week so i can actually order
[20:59] <zleap> so when do they start mass production
[20:59] <kallisti5> they already did
[20:59] <kallisti5> everything is backordered though
[20:59] <kallisti5> and the first batch had issues
[20:59] <zleap> so thats production post the initial 10,000
[20:59] <kallisti5> no idea
[20:59] <zleap> pk
[20:59] <zleap> ok
[20:59] <zleap> well will just wait and see
[21:00] <HienoMies> getting parts to next batch (100k?) is not like "okay let's order some resistors'n stuff from eBay"
[21:00] <zleap> my poster has gone down quite well on the forum, made a few changes to it, added a disclaimer and changed power requirement
[21:00] <mkopack> kallist: Well, let us know if anything else changes and you get a tracking number or anything like that
[21:00] <zleap> ah
[21:01] <kallisti5> mkopack: definitely
[21:01] <mkopack> Mine for end of the month is still showing Backordered
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[21:20] <andytuk> Evening...
[21:21] <RITRedbeard> Any python-ers?
[21:21] <andytuk> No me - sorry :(
[21:22] <RITRedbeard> Having a little difficulty porting this script.
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[21:30] <des2> Porting from where to where ?
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[21:36] <rm> porting python scripts to ARM!
[21:36] <rm> it's srs bizns
[21:37] <markus_> it sure it.
[21:37] <markus_> has anybody tried owncloud here?
[21:37] <huene> i have
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[21:37] <huene> but only played around a little
[21:37] <markus_> i was a bit disappointed that i couldn't find a way to share my already existing music library with everyone
[21:37] <markus_> do you know if it's possible?
[21:38] <huene> sorry, no
[21:38] <markus_> maybe i want a nas with a web interface instead.
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[21:41] <mkopack> markus: sounds like you need an extra RPi to run as a web server to provide your web interface :)
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> I want to go see Hunger Games.... but I'm afraid that as good as they've made it look... that it will be crap .-.
[21:43] <doug> it will be crap
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[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> I have to admit.... a hunger games Video Game could be fun.
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[21:47] <piless> woo my pi arrived
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[21:48] <strigel> piless: er, time to change your nick then
[21:48] <strigel> pifull?
[21:48] <strigel> piladen?
[21:48] <strigel> haazpi?
[21:48] <piless> strigel: I lied! Just seeing whether anyone was alive.
[21:48] <HienoMies> pics or it didn't happen
[21:48] <mchou> that's another thing that pisses me off
[21:48] <HienoMies> uh
[21:48] <HienoMies> oh
[21:48] <mchou> no holes for standoffs
[21:48] <strigel> but what will you change it to when it does come?
[21:49] <mchou> wtf...
[21:49] <piless> hmm
[21:49] <GabrialDestruir> Pics or it didn't happen!
[21:49] <piless> pied?
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[21:49] <mchou> piless: gotpi? :)
[21:49] <HienoMies> icanhazpi
[21:50] <mchou> pi-ss
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[21:50] <piless> GabrialDestruir: http://i.imgur.com/t9hjS.jpg
[21:50] <strigel> mmmmpi
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Someones had too much Pi
[21:50] <strigel> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/pie/
[21:51] <strigel> lol forgot about that flash movie
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[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[21:51] <piofcube> lack of holes is a pain... I ended up using standoffs and a couple of insulated paper clips LOL
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[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> That about describes this room
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
[21:52] <piless> cover the whole thing in epoxy and then wrap it in a sock
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[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> "when come back bring pie!" "wanker"
[21:53] <strigel> :)
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[21:54] <strigel> I think it should go in the topic
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[21:56] <piofcube> Once upon a time this channel was such a nice place
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[21:56] <piless_> until I arrived?
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yes....
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> but the pi
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> it corrupts
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[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> or should I say
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> lack of pi corrupts
[21:57] <piless_> pi corrupts absolutely.
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> Pi corrupts, lack of pi corrupts absolutely.
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[21:57] <piless_> absolutely pi corrupts
[21:58] <mchou> piofcube: so you wrapped your pi in a condom? :)
[21:58] <piless_> what did I miss? I disconnected.. condoms?
[21:58] <mchou> umm, that was meant for piless_
[21:58] <piless_> my pi or my penis?
[21:58] <mchou> <piless> cover the whole thing in epoxy and then wrap it in a sock
[21:59] <piless_> I didn't say condom
[21:59] <piless_> I said sock
[21:59] <piless_> It will provide the necessary thermal protection aswell as shock resistance
[21:59] <piless_> which makes it the perfect case
[22:01] <mchou> a few holes for standoffs shouldn't be much to ask
[22:01] <piless_> mchou: you could always drill some yourself
[22:01] <mchou> two would have been sufficient
[22:02] <mchou> and short out some traces? or worse, shreds of shrapnel?
[22:03] <piless_> I'll draw you up a diagram in mspaint
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[22:06] <mkopack> Just use some sort of clamping design to clamp above and below the board at the corners
[22:07] <piless_> ta da, http://i.imgur.com/owQra.jpg
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[22:07] <piofcube> All I way say is I hope some lazy "reporter" doesn't find this channel's logs and just assume it's RPF official... I think the foundation might have enough to cope with already.
[22:07] <piofcube> will**
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[22:07] <piless_> I am so official
[22:08] <mkopack> LOL
[22:08] <strigel> piofcube: what dont you like about the channel?
[22:08] <mkopack> but then how can we rip into them when they post their article full of incorrect facts?
[22:09] <koaschten_> haha, found in a german forum http://oi43.tinypic.com/szfmon.jpg
[22:10] <piless_> don't trust these german forums
[22:10] <mkopack> HAHA, yeah pretty much!
[22:10] <HienoMies> Seems legit
[22:10] <mkopack> This thing is going to look like a hydra with all the wires everywhere!
[22:11] <piofcube> strigel: How can I put it... LOL... The RPF's purpose is to promote programming to kids and there are RPF forum mods in here... Having some of the recent "conversations" logged and indexed by Google my distract from that.
[22:11] <piless_> why is he bothering with a usb 3 hub
[22:11] <mkopack> I like the USB->Esata connectors
[22:11] <koaschten_> piless_ because the red port can supply up to 2A
[22:11] <piless_> mkopack: my laptop has a usb/esata combo port
[22:11] <strigel> piofcube: are we logged? It's supposed to warn people in the subject if that's the case
[22:12] <strigel> afaik freenode doesn't log. In fact it's discouraged.
[22:12] <piofcube> The IRC has been logged since 2011-08-15
[22:12] <mkopack> Between the hub and cables, I bet they spent more money that the Pi costs!
[22:12] <strigel> The IRC? what's that?
[22:12] <koaschten_> most clients keep a history, so just expect to being logged
[22:12] <HienoMies> logs available at http://srv.datagutt1.com/ ???
[22:12] <piofcube> yep, that's the logs
[22:12] <piless_> what's the limit to amperage with usb spec? I know it locks down to 500ma when there's data
[22:13] <strigel> koaschten_: clients keep logs yes. Unless you don't mean clients
[22:13] <koaschten_> depending on version piless_ USB is specified for 500-900mA at 5V
[22:13] <piless_> If there's no logs then where do bash.org quotes come from?
[22:13] <strigel> But clients are on people's machines
[22:14] <koaschten_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Power
[22:14] <strigel> piless: people submit them
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[22:14] <piofcube> But I'm sure you'd agree bad reporting+those logs=major headache for RPF and we are already saying the need to spend their time sorting out shipments etc...
[22:14] <strigel> Let me quote the freenode guidelines:
[22:14] <strigel> "If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through."
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[22:14] <piless_> piofcube: Err, didn't they outsource the shipments so they don't have to deal with it anymore?
[22:14] <strigel> "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact"
[22:14] <mkopack> Somehow I don't think ANYONE really gives a rat's ass what we say in here
[22:14] <strigel> http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[22:15] <piless_> I give a rat's ass
[22:15] <strigel> so no, 'The IRC' is not logged
[22:15] <piless_> I'm logging you all, muahahaha
[22:15] <strigel> each node has to make it's own policy, but I think you'll find most don't by default
[22:15] <piofcube> This channel is logged and those logs are available on the net
[22:15] <strigel> yes piofcube, I get that, saw the link, thanks
[22:16] <strigel> by The IRC, I guess you mean this channel
[22:16] <strigel> but there are no general IRC or even freenode logs
[22:16] <des2> This all goes on your permanent record!
[22:16] <strigel> someone has to site in the channel and log, then actively publish
[22:16] <piless_> :O there's logs of meee!
[22:16] <piofcube> "The IRC"... channel... sorry, forgot to say channel
[22:17] <strigel> anyway, not that I care if we're not observing the Freenode guidelines, I really don't
[22:17] <piofcube> looks pretty automatic if you refresh the current log LOL
[22:17] <strigel> but there we are, we should be telling people
[22:17] <titch515> Imagine the size of an "IRC" log!
[22:17] <piless_> It would be at least 4mb
[22:17] <des2> It says so right in the channel topic
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[22:18] <piless_> <des2> A cat putter would only hiss and meow.
[22:18] <strigel> so it does des2, I didn't read it properly
[22:18] <mkopack> Andy!
[22:18] <andytuk> Hello!
[22:18] <mkopack> How goes the PI Goodness?
[22:18] <strigel> as I said, I wasn't making the point that I care or anything
[22:18] <andytuk> Its still working :)
[22:19] <mkopack> Have it doing anything interesting yet?
[22:19] <andytuk> Getting a Ubuntu 10.04 built ready to compile some stuff.
[22:19] <andytuk> Quake 3 for example
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[22:19] <koaschten_> the Pi Godess says, no pi for me yet :(
[22:19] <mkopack> Ah, compiling off another box. gotchya. Yeah, otherwise be there all day waiting for it
[22:19] <andytuk> Exactly
[22:20] <andytuk> I also have a beer - so all is good
[22:20] <mkopack> Give me an hour and I'll be doing the same!
[22:20] <des2> The trick to get 1 Amp out of USB ports is to get power from multiple ports with a Y adapter. This is supplied with many external USB disk drives.
[22:21] <mkopack> andy: I think some folks in that Composite rca thread nearly pooped when they saw the picture you posted :)
[22:21] <andytuk> lol - yeah :)
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[22:21] <andytuk> But some people on those forums....... no comment.
[22:22] <piless_> des2: you can get an amp out of these usb mains ports through right? That are only power.
[22:22] <des2> The power only usb ports are new
[22:22] <andytuk> Im using my HTC Desire PSU at the moment. 1A. Works a treat.
[22:22] <des2> On PCs
[22:22] <kieferz> i wish i was using my pi
[22:23] <kieferz> but i won't get it until mid-may
[22:23] <kieferz> yay 8(
[22:23] <des2> But if you mean an AC adapter yeah you can get whatever they are speced at.
[22:23] <andytuk> This is a special Pi. Serial no #7
[22:23] <mkopack> kief: don't feel bad??? Andy has to give that one back soon :)
[22:23] <koaschten_> By the USB definition they are called "charging ports" and can do up to 1.5A
[22:23] <mkopack> I think that'd actually be WORSE
[22:23] <strigel> 007?
[22:23] <andytuk> Give it back on Sunday.
[22:23] <andytuk> Yup - number 7.
[22:23] <piless_> koaschten_: How come your magical red port can do 2a then?
[22:24] <strigel> keep the serial number sticker, say it dropped off
[22:24] <koaschten_> because it's a hub and its no usb complient ;)
[22:24] <des2> Your nick should be andy-007
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[22:24] <andytuk> Have you seen this sticker. Isnt difficult to copy.
[22:24] <strigel> stick to pi number 1000000, sell on ebay for ten grand, all good
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[22:24] <andytuk> But we do have a certificate of authenticity with it
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[22:24] <strigel> ok, well it wasn't a real plan, I was going into character as ray winstone
[22:25] <piless_> strigel: 314159265 would be the best number
[22:25] <andytuk> Anyone here going to Beeb@30 next weekend in Cambridge?
[22:25] <strigel> aha piless_ very good
[22:25] <des2> How do we know that certificate of authenticity is authentic ?
[22:25] <strigel> had to think for a microsecond
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[22:25] <andytuk> des2: we have a certificate that says the certificate it authentic
[22:25] <piless_> you should have got eben to sign it
[22:26] <andytuk> Im seeing Eben next weekend.
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[22:26] <des2> Ok well, if you got a certificate then...
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[22:27] <andytuk> If you come to http://www.beeb30.org.uk you would probably meet Eben
[22:28] <lee> "This is bollocks." "I actually prefer the term 'applied quantum mechanics'."
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[22:28] <strigel> does the pi need 1A then?
[22:28] <andytuk> 700ma i believe
[22:28] <des2> A needs 500 mA
[22:28] <piless_> interesting web design
[22:28] <Ben64> 500ma for A, 700ma for B
[22:28] <des2> B needs 700 mA
[22:28] <des2> More if you add USB devices
[22:28] <des2> But the Pi has a 1 Amp fused input limit
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[22:29] <strigel> is that going to be the peak current drain with all guns blazing?
[22:29] <mkopack> IE, don't try to run hungry USB devices off the Pi without using a POWERED USB Hub
[22:29] <mkopack> strigel :I believe that's what they said
[22:29] <strigel> how much current will it supply over the USB's?
[22:29] <andytuk> piless_ : site is supposed to have a BBC feel. Hence the red keys/buttons
[22:29] <HienoMies> kentucky fried chicken
[22:30] <des2> Can't be more than 1 Amp - current being used by the Pi itself
[22:30] <strigel> sounds like a cracking event
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[22:30] <andytuk> Its a once in a lifetime event. Some very important people going.
[22:30] <andytuk> Oh, and Eben :)
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[22:30] <piless_> no liz?
[22:30] <andytuk> No sure - think she is on holiday.
[22:31] <strigel> des2: ok, so whatever is left out of that limit of 1A after the internal components are supplied will be available to split over the 2 usb's?
[22:31] <HienoMies> ppl are goingo frie their Pi with poor power supply and power hunry devices
[22:31] <des2> Yes strigel
[22:31] <mkopack> exactly Strigel
[22:32] <strigel> HienoMies: don't see why. If you use a regulated source, and the 1A limit is well designed, I don't see any frying
[22:32] <piless_> I've heard that a lot of these cheap chinese usb ac adaptors don't actually supply as much amps to the port as their supposed to.. so they give of 700ma instead of a 1000ma
[22:32] <mkopack> So, like I said, if you're planning to run anything more than maybe a KB/Mouse you'll want a powered USB hub to drive it
[22:32] <lee> is there a way under linux to monitor the bandwidth and power requirements that a usb device is requesting?
[22:32] <HienoMies> some eBay USB power sources gonna make some smoke come out of Pi
[22:32] <strigel> mkopack: this is what us Galaxy S users have to do to power USB devices
[22:33] <strigel> you can also supply power upstream via an inverted y cable
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> lee: In general, no
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[22:33] <SpeedEvil> lee: you can tell bandwidth
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> lee: Not how much power is actually used. You can tell how much power is requested
[22:33] <des2> Spend $10 on a good brand name cell phone charger, not a $2 chinese '1 amp' supply.
[22:33] <mkopack> I have a nice 7 power powered USB hub waiting on my Pie.. of course??? it's also LARGER than the Pie itself! LOL
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[22:34] <andytuk> no /proc/bus/usb/devices on debian on my pie here
[22:34] <des2> Can you fit the PI in the usb hub ?
[22:34] <andytuk> Pi
[22:34] <lee> I am planning to attach both a webcam and a 3g (or wifi) dongle to a Pi, so will need to check that I'm not drawing too much power
[22:35] <andytuk> oops....
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[22:35] <SpeedEvil> andytuk: that's a legacy one. It's also in sysfs somewhere
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[22:35] <lee> or I could just suck it and see I guess =)
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> lee: All 3G dongles need at least 500mA typically. most webcams over 200mA
[22:35] <piless_> mkopack: I have one of these: http://i.imgur.com/6u9xv.jpg
[22:35] <strigel> lee: you can take some power from the power supply of the pi itself and feed it to your external devices
[22:35] <strigel> provided it produces enough in the first place
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[22:36] <lee> haha
[22:36] <mkopack> des: Nah, nowhere near enough room.. It's larger, than the pie, but not by much
[22:36] <mkopack> It'll be good for stacking them
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc.
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> S: Product=USB-Serial Controller
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=100mA
[22:36] <strigel> lets say you find a regulated 2a 5v supply; you can use this to power both the pi and your USB devices
[22:37] <strigel> just not via the Pi
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> This shows that the maximum power is 100mA
[22:37] <strigel> current
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> /proc/bus/usb/devices - this is a legacy thing thoguh
[22:37] <lee> strigel: unfortunately not in this case, as the power supply is going to be a battery with a single usb port
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[22:37] <des2> Right strigel, cause the PI input is fuse limited to 1 amp
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[22:37] <lee> SpeedEvil: where do you see that?
[22:37] <des2> Lee that's what Y connectors are for
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> lee: /prob/bus/usb/devices
[22:37] <mkopack> Al, interesting
[22:38] <lee> SpeedEvil: I meant the assertion that most 3g modems want 500mA
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> lee: knowing shit.
[22:38] <strigel> 3g drinks like crazy
[22:38] <lee> (it's not something I've ever cared about tbh)
[22:39] <strigel> my phone runs 3 times as long if I switch off 3g
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> lee: Most 3G devices will want ~3W or more ideally, in pulses.
[22:39] <lee> des2: how does a Y cable help me if there's one USB port on the battery, and that's powering the Pi? =)
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> At least some of the time.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> lee: The USB port can supply >500mA in some cases - the one on the battery
[22:39] <des2> Because you connect the Y cable to the battery, one part of the Y to the PI and the other to whatever
[22:40] <des2> (some sex changing may be necessary)
[22:41] <strigel> des2: right, or some cable hacking :)
[22:41] <mkopack> des: Sounds very swedish...
[22:42] <lee> hmmm
[22:42] <lee> need to find a suitable project box, too
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[22:42] <piless_> lee: cigar box
[22:42] <strigel> sea container
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[22:42] <andytuk> When I get my personal Pi - I have a brilliant case already.
[22:43] <andytuk> Not going to say what it is incase someone steals my idea :)
[22:43] <piless_> epoxy and a sock?
[22:43] <strigel> well I'm waiting on another breakthrough product - the printrbot
[22:43] <Ben64> andytuk: in other words, you don't have anything
[22:43] <des2> For those not paying attention, andytuk actually has Beta PI # 7.
[22:43] <andytuk> We have a 3D printer at work...
[22:43] <strigel> should be available to Europe around the same time
[22:43] <andytuk> I do have a case. I can see it from here.
[22:43] <Ben64> pics or it doesn't exist
[22:44] <strigel> andytuk: cool, which printer do you have?
[22:44] <piless_> andytuk: are the dimensions going to be different?
[22:44] <andytuk> Errr... a 3D one. That all I know. Only been at the job 3 weeks. Printer is at another site
[22:44] <des2> Just because you can see something doesn't mean it is real. Does your case have a certificate of authenticy ?
[22:44] <strigel> ok
[22:45] <piless_> des2: those can be faked too
[22:45] <des2> I don't think 3-d printers are good enough to fake those
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> cd /sys/bus/usb/devices;for x in [0-9]*;do cat $x/product $x/bMaxPower ;done|less
[22:45] <SpeedEvil>
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[22:45] <strigel> andytuk: do you know if it's a hobby level machine or a pro one?
[22:46] <Ben64> theres a 3d printer that is accurate on the nanometer scale
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> This will - sorta - readout the consumption of USB peripherals - using sysfs. That is the declared current desire
[22:46] <andytuk> pro one
[22:46] <strigel> ok, makes all the difference to the precision
[22:46] <andytuk> big and grey
[22:46] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, what do you think about an entire 5VDC battery supply for mobile pi?
[22:46] <des2> Heh, I know Ben I posted a link here the other day.
[22:46] <strigel> you'll be able to print a really sharp case if you can use the machine
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: It's unfortunately annoying.
[22:46] <mkopack> You know, I almost need to keep my word processor open so I can keep up with notes on all the interesting RPi stuff I learn in here
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Tehre is way too much crap out there
[22:46] <strigel> as well as all the other wacky designs that get uploaded to shapeways and thingiverse
[22:47] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, can't make switch modes?
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[22:47] <RITRedbeard> like the MintyBoost?
[22:47] <RITRedbeard> and connect those in parallel?
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: It's not a very hard thing to design. But it really needs ~3 chips, and it's annoying to make at a price which people are happy to pay.
[22:47] <UnderSampled> is it out yet?
[22:47] <Ben64> RITRedbeard: how much power do you want
[22:47] <strigel> mkopack: are you being faceteous?
[22:48] <RITRedbeard> 4000 mAh
[22:48] <mkopack> strigel: No, seriously...
[22:48] <strigel> oh
[22:48] <mkopack> Stuff like what Speed just posted with that command - good thing to write down and keep in my notes
[22:48] <strigel> yes
[22:48] <strigel> proc file system rocks
[22:48] <mkopack> Or lists to links on various subjects mentioned - case designs, accessories, etc.
[22:48] <Ben64> RITRedbeard: you mean 4 amps?
[22:49] <strigel> channel seems to be full of geeks, which is nice
[22:49] <RITRedbeard> Sure. 4 AH or 4000 mAh
[22:49] <Ben64> amp-hours is not the same as amps
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[22:49] <RITRedbeard> oh
[22:49] <RITRedbeard> how many amps is it going to draw?
[22:49] <RITRedbeard> that was your question
[22:49] <RITRedbeard> ummm
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[22:50] <strigel> RITRedbeard: neither is power
[22:50] <strigel> one is energy one is current
[22:50] <Ben64> and 4000mah would be enough to power the pi for something like... 45 mins
[22:50] <RITRedbeard> ?
[22:50] * RITRedbeard blinks.
[22:50] <des2> PI B only draws a max of 700 mA
[22:51] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, http://forre.st/storage
[22:51] <RITRedbeard> like that you mean?
[22:51] * RITRedbeard goes to unplug his laptop's battery
[22:51] <mkopack> RIT: Well, stuff like that in relation to the RPi...
[22:51] <des2> That would be about 7 hours with a 5 Voly 4000mAh pack
[22:51] <mkopack> Useful things
[22:52] <Ben64> des2: what about 5 hours
[22:52] <UnderSampled> at 700mA, it would take 700mAhours to run for one hour
[22:52] <strigel> 12v li-ion batteries are good for the pi with a regulator
[22:52] <strigel> very high capacity
[22:52] <des2> Bettwr would be a Dc-Dc converter
[22:52] <RITRedbeard> Ben64: Lenovo FRU 42T4791 10.8V @ 5200 mAh
[22:52] <UnderSampled> strigel: why 12v?
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[22:53] <des2> Linear regulators waste too much energy
[22:53] <RITRedbeard> my laptop lasts about 3 hours
[22:53] <strigel> UnderSampled: because that is what's available in terms of bang for buck
[22:53] <RITRedbeard> the TDP is something like...
[22:53] <Ben64> 10.8V @ 5200 mah = 56.16Wh
[22:53] <UnderSampled> single cell lions are around 3.7v at max charge
[22:53] <UnderSampled> so 12v lions would be 4cell batteries
[22:54] <RITRedbeard> !g Core i5 560m TDP
[22:54] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: http://ark.intel.com/products/49653/Intel-Core-i5-560M-Processor-(3M-Cache-2_66-GHz) - "Intel?? Core??? i5-560M Processor (3M Cache, 2.66 GHz)"
[22:54] <strigel> UnderSampled: yes, that's right
[22:54] <strigel> you get a nice package with tons of energy
[22:54] <strigel> 7Ah in a nice small enclosure
[22:54] <UnderSampled> but they're like $100 (laptop batteries
[22:55] <Ben64> would be better to just use AA batteries, and something like a mintyboost
[22:55] <strigel> des2 is right, basic regulators are innefficient
[22:55] <RITRedbeard> so right off the top, thermally, 25W + northbridge + backlight for my x86 machine
[22:55] <UnderSampled> you can get a single cell for really cheap in the form of a cellphone battery
[22:55] <des2> 12 V 12A SLA battery is about $20.
[22:55] <strigel> Ben64: why?
[22:55] <RITRedbeard> + accesories
[22:55] <Ben64> AA batteries are super cheap, easy to deal with
[22:55] <strigel> AA batteries cant compare for capacity
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[22:55] <UnderSampled> des2: how many amphours?
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[22:55] <RITRedbeard> That's why I was asking SpeedEvil if it was possible to connect switching mode supplies (which is what the minty is, essentially) in parallel
[22:56] <des2> SHould have written 12 AH at 20 hour rate.
[22:56] <mkopack> ok, heading out. Later gang
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[22:56] <Ben64> each AA battery roughly equals one hour of pi
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[22:57] <RITRedbeard> Lithium, Alkaline, NiHm?
[22:57] <UnderSampled> most of the power for anything will be going to a display
[22:57] <des2> At 700 mA a Pi would use 700ma*5V*1Hout = 3.5Watt-Hours each hour
[22:57] <UnderSampled> or, if you're using it as a server, you need stable power
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: generally pointless, it's not harder to design a larger SMPS
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[22:57] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: And no - unless they are specially designed you can't.
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[22:58] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, is it possible do you reckon to design a mintyboost or equivalent switchmode with more cells in parallel?
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> The design is not the challenging part.
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[23:01] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, you're worried about cost?
[23:02] <RITRedbeard> or charging?
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[23:03] <strigel> Ben64: that's good, but a 7Ah 12V Li-Ion battery with a switching regulator should give you 20+ hours
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[23:04] <Ben64> then you have to deal with charging, discharging, and the price
[23:04] <randomuser> Ben64, that's what she said
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[23:05] <ironzorg> haha
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[23:06] <UnderSampled> 0.7a@5v = 3.5W.
[23:06] <UnderSampled> you can pick up a 5W solar collector for around $50
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Getting a reliable product that is user-proof, and can be easily made and sold in small volumes at a reasonable cost isn't quite trivial.
[23:06] <RITRedbeard> Oh.
[23:07] <RITRedbeard> I was speculating in the realm of DIY
[23:07] <Ben64> http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM323.html
[23:07] <Ben64> get that, get some breadboard, make your own
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> A very bad choice.
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> That will require ~2 volts extra battery voltage on the input, and will need a large heatsink.
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[23:09] <strigel_> I got dumped off, did I miss anything about li-ions?
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[23:09] <RITRedbeard> is that a linear regulator?
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[23:09] <Ben64> http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM2678.html
[23:09] <Ben64> then that one
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: yes
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[23:09] <RITRedbeard> stay away
[23:10] <RITRedbeard> far far away
[23:10] <strigel_> my client crashed. "<+Ben64> then you have to deal with charging, discharging, and the price" what do you mean?
[23:11] <Ben64> discharge it too much, and it dies
[23:11] <Ben64> charge it incorrectly, and it explodes
[23:11] <strigel_> ok
[23:11] <RITRedbeard> rechargables have to be handled a certain way
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[23:11] <Ben64> and it costs a lot
[23:11] <strigel_> true
[23:11] <RITRedbeard> I actually have compiled some information about it
[23:11] <strigel_> well the last one, I'm not so sure about
[23:11] <RITRedbeard> each battery technology uses different chemistry
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[23:11] <strigel_> you can buy a quality cell with the specs I gave for 25 UKP
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[23:11] <strigel_> given the capacity, I don't think that's too bad
[23:12] <RITRedbeard> so if you want to be able to recharge, you're going to need circuitry to do such
[23:13] <RITRedbeard> although I think rechargable AAAs and AAs would work
[23:13] <strigel_> yes, but the cell comes with a charger which has the limiter
[23:13] <RITRedbeard> I don't know much about the discharge rate but RPi can't eat that much
[23:13] <des2> The 323 is linear and not even low dropout.
[23:13] <strigel_> I think if you want a compact design, you shouldn't rule out li-ion
[23:13] <Ben64> then 2678
[23:13] <RITRedbeard> I know that in hobby land we like our 30C+ discharge rates to power our brushless motors at many many RPM
[23:14] <RITRedbeard> lithium ion is good
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> Just make a Pi Backpack....
[23:14] <strigel_> let's not overhype the issues, our phones and laptops seem fine
[23:14] <RITRedbeard> you just have to be careful
[23:14] <des2> No should you rule out Li-ion if you like fires and smoke
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> load that thing with like carebatteries >.>
[23:14] <strigel_> des2: why?
[23:14] <strigel_> that is pure hype
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> car batteries*
[23:14] <Ben64> our phones and laptops were made by professionals
[23:14] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[23:14] <strigel_> so there are professional quality components available?
[23:14] <Ben64> cost
[23:15] <Ben64> to make a safe lithium battery system, it'd cost much more than the raspberry pi
[23:15] <Ben64> AA batteries are cheap
[23:15] <RITRedbeard> erm
[23:15] <strigel_> Ben64: well I don't agree with that
[23:15] <RITRedbeard> it would probably cost around the realm of $30
[23:15] <RITRedbeard> USD
[23:15] <Ben64> the good thing about facts is it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not
[23:15] <SoulShadow> what do you guys plan to do with the GPIO port?
[23:15] <strigel_> but anyway AA's are cheap if you're happy with the non low self discharge ones
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[23:16] <strigel_> wow, ok you're talking facts, which must mean I am talking non-facts. Geez, what happened to our friendly discussion?
[23:16] <des2> Or a 26650 or protected 18650 and a separate charger
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[23:17] <RITRedbeard> SoulShadow, since resurrecting old laptop to awesome ultraportable: keyboard, trackpoint, LEDs, soft reset
[23:17] <des2> SoulShadow I plan to control the world.
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[23:17] <SoulShadow> RITRedbeard..you're going to run a raspberry pi laptop?
[23:17] <SoulShadow> lol
[23:17] <RITRedbeard> Yup.
[23:17] <SoulShadow> that'll be uh..'fast'
[23:17] <RITRedbeard> Yes, it will be.
[23:17] <strigel_> Ben64: bear in mind, we're not all trying to do the same thing with the PI, and some of us actually have enough confidence in our experience to make our own decisions what the 'facts' are
[23:18] <strigel_> there is no one way
[23:18] <des2> Is your laptop faster than 300 MHz pentium ?
[23:18] <Ben64> i didn't say there was one way
[23:18] <SoulShadow> anyone else, actually have a feasible idea for the gpio?
[23:18] <SoulShadow> des2: yes
[23:18] <RITRedbeard> My present one is, the one I'm resurrecting isn't.
[23:18] <Ben64> just saying lithium batteries can be dangerous, and they are costly
[23:18] <SoulShadow> lithium batteries aren't very dangerous
[23:18] <SoulShadow> if you're not stupid
[23:18] <RITRedbeard> Ben64, going a bit overboard though.
[23:19] <strigel_> see that's where I disagree
[23:19] <strigel_> they are not dangerous or costly
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> Lithium Ion should be treated with caution but it is not expensive.
[23:19] <strigel_> crossing the street is dangerous
[23:19] <Ben64> or if you don't have something to limit discharge, they will be one time use
[23:19] <SoulShadow> well, yeah
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> If you want dangerous, visit Lithium Polymer-ville.
[23:19] <Ben64> if you charge them incorrectly, boom
[23:19] <SoulShadow> lipo won't kill you either
[23:19] <strigel_> I would steer clear of lipo
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> Heh.
[23:19] <andytuk> Right, Pi #7 now has 120Gb hard disk attached.
[23:19] <SoulShadow> SEMTEX
[23:19] <SoulShadow> LETS GO
[23:19] <RITRedbeard> You've never flown RC have you?
[23:20] <SoulShadow> you've exploded lipo's?
[23:20] <andytuk> Copying over Quake 3 data files. Going to complie the source any moment now.
[23:20] <Ben64> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw
[23:20] <des2> SSD or USB harddisk ?
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> I've burst cells from repeated impacts
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> bubbling
[23:20] <strigel_> Ben64: I am confident I can design and build a safe Li-ion system for less than the cost of the Pi
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> unstable
[23:20] <GabrialDestruir> Oh ffs.... just wait for someone to create a Pi battery....
[23:20] <andytuk> USB2 -> SATA
[23:20] <SoulShadow> well what does that tell you
[23:20] <strigel_> I am not new to this
[23:20] <GabrialDestruir> then use that
[23:20] <SoulShadow> you shouldn't fly RC :P
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[23:20] <RITRedbeard> Treat lithium polymer with respect because the energy density is great.
[23:20] <strigel_> I don't discard the points you raise, but again millions of phone users prove that li-ion is not 'unsafe'
[23:21] <SoulShadow> the ground is hard and unforgiving
[23:21] <Ben64> we're going in circles
[23:21] <Ben64> theres a big difference from a guy in his garage and motorola
[23:21] <RITRedbeard> I agree.
[23:21] <strigel_> you don't know what I do Ben64
[23:21] <SoulShadow> how did we get to motorola
[23:21] <RITRedbeard> But with caution, Lithium Ion is very safe.
[23:22] <SoulShadow> li-ion generally doesn't explode unless you have no idea what you're doing with it
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> Just like walking across the street with caution is... very safe.
[23:22] <slaeshjag> This reminds me of something that happened with the OpenPandora
[23:22] <SoulShadow> at least not in my experience
[23:22] <Ben64> most people don't know what they're doing with it
[23:22] <slaeshjag> It has a proper charger chip and all
[23:22] <des2> OpenPandora caught fire ?
[23:22] <Ben64> they treat it the same as a AA battery
[23:22] <slaeshjag> But! Some users kept it plugged in for a few weeks
[23:22] <SoulShadow> i'm sure someones going to make a RPI battery
[23:22] <RITRedbeard> No, Sony laptops do.
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[23:22] <slaeshjag> And the charger chip trickle charged the battery
[23:22] <SoulShadow> slaeshjag: okay, and the charger chip didn't have proper cutoff
[23:23] <SoulShadow> it shouldn't charge the battery until it drops below 95%
[23:23] <SoulShadow> or more
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> should detect the proper voltage and keep track of temp
[23:23] <slaeshjag> SoulShadow: That wasn't yet discovered
[23:23] <SoulShadow> sounds like they chose a cheap charger chip
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> sounds like they were lazy
[23:23] <GabrialDestruir> Why don't you just buy a pre-existing USB charger battery thing?
[23:23] <slaeshjag> But, after a few weeks, some reported puffy batteries
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> One could do that.
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> You can get the really expensive ones for $50
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[23:24] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Becuse the problem is you don't know what you get.
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> or you can get a MintyBoost or make the equivalent.
[23:24] <slaeshjag> == next hotfix reprogrammed the charging chip
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[23:24] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: I got one that came with recycled cells from a laptop in.
[23:24] <slaeshjag> The point is; it's easy to overlook things
[23:24] <SoulShadow> i still have no idea what i'd do with a GPIO
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> What makes you say that, SoulShadow?
[23:24] <RITRedbeard> GPIO isn't anything special.
[23:24] <SoulShadow> there's not much use for it
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/5600mah-emergency-power-rechargeable-battery-pack-w-led-flashlight-head-cell-phone-adapters-91411 - otherwise - it's nice.
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> But - not with second hand batteries.
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> Which are aged to teh point they have about half their capacity
[23:25] <des2> With a GPIO you can do Arduino like htings
[23:25] <RITRedbeard> With a parallel port you can do Arduino like things.
[23:25] <SoulShadow> ..why not just buy an arduino then
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> SoulShadow: Arduino has problems dealing with live video
[23:25] <strigel_> Ben64: "they treat it the same as a AA battery"
[23:25] <des2> Some people are seeing the PI as an arduino with a fast processor
[23:26] <des2> And built in video
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> They've been misled!
[23:26] <strigel_> well I don't, so perhaps you shouldn't assume I don't know what I'm doing
[23:26] <Ben64> i never assumed
[23:26] <SoulShadow> the most i'd probably do with one is stick in a wifi usb and run xbmc/plex
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> For example, imagine a webcam +pi + GPIO + servos + spotlamp + 'motion'
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> Because ARM11 is slow as the dickens compared to what some platforms are packing now.
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> A security lamp that puts a tracking light on moving objects
[23:26] <SoulShadow> yes, the RPI is very slow
[23:26] <des2> But it's a lot faster than an Arduino
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> For some things.
[23:27] * RITRedbeard lusts after a Beaglebone.
[23:27] <SoulShadow> arduino is more specialized
[23:27] <SoulShadow> beagleboard? expensive.
[23:27] <RITRedbeard> Beaglebone.
[23:28] <SoulShadow> wth is a beaglebone
[23:28] <des2> Yes Arduino has analog inputs and outputs.
[23:28] <des2> And PWM
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> !g Beaglebone
[23:28] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: http://beagleboard.org/bone - "BeagleBone - BeagleBoard"
[23:28] <SoulShadow> so it's a mini beagleboard
[23:28] * andytuk has a BeagleBone C4 :)
[23:28] <andytuk> Beagle board even
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> andytuk, for giggles, how many bogomips does it report?
[23:28] <SoulShadow> what do you do with it?
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> andytuk: Is that a model of the beagleboard, made from C4?
[23:28] <andytuk> Runs linux and RISC OS
[23:28] <des2> andy has all the cool toys
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> for reference my bifferboard says 57 bogomips :P
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:29] <andytuk> And a Arduino Uno and a mBed
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[23:29] <SoulShadow> beagleboard = omap 4430 right?
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> awwwwwwwwww yeah
[23:29] <haltdef> it's omap3
[23:29] <andytuk> OMAP3
[23:29] <SoulShadow> i thought they had a new omap 4 one
[23:29] <haltdef> pandaboard is omap4430
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> Pandaboard.
[23:29] <SoulShadow> oh panda
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> Pandaboard ES.
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> Also unobtainable.
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Might just as well get a desktop computer :D
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> Like these Pis.
[23:30] <SoulShadow> my phone reports 1706.91 BogoMIPS on each processor >>
[23:30] <haltdef> fedex have mine
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> andytuk, any idea of what the beaglebone reports for bogomips?
[23:30] <SoulShadow> and 50 mflops
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[23:31] <andytuk> Not sure. Cant hook it up at the moment as got the Pi connected
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> hokay
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> One phone reports 249.96, the other 996.
[23:31] <haltdef> my panda ES is in paris atm apparently
[23:31] <SoulShadow> lol pandaboard is $182?
[23:31] <SoulShadow> SpeedEvil: wht phones?
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[23:31] <haltdef> lots of dicking about with silly forms but mouser dispatched it quickly after that
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[23:32] <SpeedEvil> n9[50]0
[23:32] <RITRedbeard> Pandaboard ES is niche just like all these other things.
[23:32] <SoulShadow> i have a galaxy nexus
[23:33] <RITRedbeard> I mean though, you have a better chance of getting a Beagleboard then some OEM AMD Geode or something.
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: One night in paris?
[23:33] <RITRedbeard> It's custom order stuff.
[23:33] * SpeedEvil looks at his Geode system.
[23:33] <RITRedbeard> I wish it were coming to me.
[23:33] <des2> My Pogoplug is 279 Bogomips
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[23:33] * SpeedEvil looks at his amythist geode.
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[23:33] <RITRedbeard> heh
[23:33] * SoulShadow looks at his phone and sighs
[23:33] <andytuk> Still have the HTC Desire here.
[23:33] <haltdef> you'll have to rip my n900 from my cold dead hands
[23:34] <haltdef> maemo 5 <3
[23:34] <SoulShadow> it's depressing when your phone is faster than all of these other devices
[23:34] <SoulShadow> lol maemo
[23:34] <RITRedbeard> I still win with my bifferboard! yes!
[23:34] <des2> When will phones come with USB and HDMI ports ?
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> # cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> cpu model : MIPS 4KEc V4.8
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> BogoMIPS : 211.35
[23:34] <SoulShadow> my phone has both, des2
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Is the slowest I have.
[23:34] <traeak> des2: some already do
[23:34] <piless> des2: They come with mhl
[23:35] <SoulShadow> my bionic had microhdmi + microusb
[23:35] <SoulShadow> my nexus has MHL
[23:35] <fakker> galaxy nexus
[23:35] <traeak> i have a nokia flip phone
[23:35] <traeak> stupid phone doesn't even have an alarm program in it
[23:35] <RITRedbeard> andytuk, what does the RPi report for bogo again? can you cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
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[23:35] <SoulShadow> my phone has an alarm
[23:35] <traeak> i *did* have a nokia n900 but the microusb toasted
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[23:35] <SpeedEvil> traeak: :/
[23:35] <traeak> i swear i won't buy nokia ever again
[23:35] <des2> Wow microhdmi
[23:35] <fakker> mine doesn't, mine just beeps at me
[23:35] <_av500_> my phone has a rotary dial
[23:36] <SoulShadow> so install one from market
[23:36] <traeak> SpeedEvil: talk about a huge PITA to try to fix, omg
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[23:36] <SoulShadow> that's what it's for
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[23:36] <traeak> SoulShadow: my flip phone has a market? woah
[23:36] <mchou> hehe
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[23:36] <SoulShadow> i wasn't talking to you fakker
[23:36] <SoulShadow> i was talking to traeak
[23:36] <mchou> supersmart phone
[23:36] <SoulShadow> who said the gnex didn't have an alarm
[23:36] <andytuk> Mine reports 697.95
[23:37] <piless> traeak: If it's symbian there's the nokia store (formally known as the ovi store)
[23:37] <fakker> heh
[23:37] <fakker> SoulShadow, I have multiple phones
[23:37] <des2> I thought the symbian was a sex device
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[23:37] <fakker> haha
[23:37] * SpeedEvil finds the latest sybian odd.
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> symbian
[23:37] <fakker> S69?
[23:37] <fakker> :D
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> hahahaha
[23:37] <traeak> piless: i think everything on it is payola stuff
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> The massive camera one.
[23:38] <piless> the lumia 800 looks to be really nice
[23:38] <andytuk> Right - im off. Install quake 3 now.
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> I have one.
[23:38] <andytuk> Night all!
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> I should ebay it, or boot it.
[23:38] <piless> andytuk: can it run crysis?
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> (800)
[23:38] <RITRedbeard> I might try to port Xash3d to Rasberry Pi should I get it.
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[23:39] <RITRedbeard> (Half-Life/goldsrc compatible engine)
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[23:39] <SpeedEvil> I'm going to be trying to port nethack.
[23:39] <piless> RITRedbeard: so cs1.6 on the pi?
[23:39] <RITRedbeard> possibly
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> I forsee it going quite rapidly.
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:39] <traeak> SpeedEvil: hehe ./configure && make
[23:39] <RITRedbeard> memory usage :(
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> 256 is quite the limitation
[23:40] <traeak> hmm...
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> besides that it has the muscle to run it
[23:40] <fakker> ^
[23:40] <fakker> i would have wanted ICS on it
[23:40] <fakker> not gonna happen with 256, or not nicely
[23:40] <traeak> it would be nice if the GPU could handle texture decompression
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> ICS?
[23:41] <piless> fakker: no, jelly bean
[23:41] <piless> RITRedbeard: ice cream sandwich
[23:41] <fakker> no, ICS - i have a plan
[23:41] <fakker> heh
[23:41] <fakker> Pandaboard for me :)
[23:41] <traeak> no alarm clock programs anywhere for the flip phone....talk about ugly browsing experience
[23:41] <des2> Ice Cream + Pi. Yum
[23:41] <mchou> des2: that's called a la mode
[23:42] <strigel_> Is anyone serious about Android on the Pi? What is the point?
[23:42] <piless> mchou: a la mode just means in the style of
[23:42] <RITRedbeard> although you have to remember that most of half-life was based on quake
[23:43] <RITRedbeard> there are some really cool quake engine modifications
[23:43] <piless> strigel_: Well, you've got that massive market of applications for one
[23:43] <des2> Like most thinks strigel - the point is because you can
[23:43] <mchou> piless: indeed that's the literal translation
[23:43] <fakker> strigel_, carputer for me
[23:43] <RITRedbeard> Android on the Pi?
[23:43] <strigel_> RITRedbeard: yes, quake 2 to be precise
[23:43] <fakker> not in the pi though
[23:43] <fakker> on
[23:43] <fakker> Pi is for my dad
[23:43] <traeak> Pi-napple
[23:43] <mchou> piless: by pie served with ice cream is called pie a la mode
[23:44] <strigel_> fakker: ok so you're serious, well I can see if you want a cheap android device it would be good I suppose
[23:44] <strigel_> but ICS? I doubt it very much indeed
[23:44] <fakker> strigel_, Pandaboard for carputer though... not exactly cheap compared to Pi
[23:44] <RITRedbeard> strigel_, that's what everyone thinks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quake_-_family_tree.svg
[23:45] <piless> pie served with ice cream is called pie and ice cream
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[23:45] <mchou> piless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_a_la_Mode
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[23:46] <fakker> strigel_, Panda should be good for ICS though (it has AOSP already) - just a 3G dongle, GPS, and I'm set
[23:46] <piless> porting goldsrc would be great because of the huge amount of mods for it
[23:46] <des2> That's a funny story mchou
[23:47] <strigel_> fakker: ok, don't know much about the pandora, isn't it expensive?
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> well there is an open source goldsrc compatible engine called xash3d
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> however
[23:47] <mchou> des2: heh, I'm glad you enjoyed it
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> I don't think it is optimized very well
[23:47] <fakker> strigel_, it's ???170 - a lot compared to Pi :)
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[23:47] <piless> RITRedbeard: perhaps you should email gabe and ask for the goldsrc source
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> or hack in
[23:47] <des2> 170 is what the first PIs will be going for on ebay
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> like the hl2 leak :)
[23:47] <strigel_> RITRedbeard: wow, I love that graphic!
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[23:48] <strigel_> so yeah, I was one of the many people who wrongly thought that HL was Q2:
[23:48] <strigel_> For everyone who thinks Half-Life is based off id tech2: Thats not really true, vale had license for Quake One and Quake Two Engine, but half-Life just uses the RAD lightning from Quake 2, and this Map feature which lets you go back again to the last map. The rest is from Quake and highly modified
[23:48] <piless> RITRedbeard: Yeah but did you read about what happened to the guy? They pretended to offer him and job and planned to arrest him when he entered the country
[23:48] <RITRedbeard> yar
[23:48] <RITRedbeard> I remember making a map and having a lot of fun with the physics
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[23:49] <RITRedbeard> then people got CSS working from the leak and played that instead :|
[23:49] <RITRedbeard> I made a watermellon hockey map
[23:49] <RITRedbeard> it kept score and everything
[23:49] <piless> the head hitboxes are bigger on css though
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[23:49] <fakker> css is shite
[23:49] <fakker> over CS
[23:49] <traeak> woah arrest him for a civil case ?
[23:49] <fakker> :|
[23:50] <doug> snot civil
[23:50] <strigel_> piless: did they get him?
[23:50] <mchou> piless: whi are "they" in "they pretended to offer him a job..."
[23:50] <mchou> who*
[23:51] <RITRedbeard> Valve?
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[23:51] <RITRedbeard> I'd settle for some Q2, though :)
[23:51] <strigel_> I bet they wanted to kick his teeth in themselves
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[23:53] <RITRedbeard> This is just a long shot: anyone here have a Sansa Clip+ ?
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[23:53] <traeak> someone stole goldsrc? i'm moissing something here
[23:53] <traeak> anyways
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[23:55] <RITRedbeard> traeak, Half-Life 2 alpha and its tools were leaked way back when
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[23:55] <RITRedbeard> Pentium 4 days
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[23:55] <philh> RITRedbeard, i have, rockboxed, awesome little thing
[23:56] <RITRedbeard> philh, do you keep your music in a library also on a computer? What software do you use?
[23:57] <philh> banshee, though it's not synced perfectly, i tend to plug in the sansa and just browse the device under banshee, tbh, no perfectly is an understatement, it's a total mess
[23:57] <mchou> RITRedbeard: picard for tagging, minidlna for serving
[23:57] <RITRedbeard> I'm having a problem with tagging.
[23:57] <mchou> picard is fab
[23:57] <strigel_> Wow, i had rockbox on an archos 20gb player years ago, and it was so cool
[23:58] <RITRedbeard> I have foobar2000 which is great however
[23:58] <mchou> nver heard of it
[23:58] <RITRedbeard> somehow the tags aren't being modified
[23:58] <philh> i use exfalso for tagging, that's not an issue
[23:58] <RITRedbeard> pity
[23:58] <RITRedbeard> it's quite good
[23:58] <ReggieUK> I've still got rockbox on a sandisk sansa
[23:58] <des2> You installed something called 'foobar' ?
[23:58] <mchou> make sure you have write permms on the files?
[23:58] <strigel_> amazing project
[23:59] <strigel_> something so satisfying about custom firmware projects
[23:59] <RITRedbeard> but Windows Explorer displays different then on the Clip the music isn't organized
[23:59] <philh> the difference in sound quality between stock and rockbox is astonishing, especially considering that people claim that it sounds better than an ipod to begin with
[23:59] <mchou> bah
[23:59] <RITRedbeard> it's driving me nuts
[23:59] <strigel_> philh: it was the same on the archos all those years ago
[23:59] <mchou> RITRedbeard: seriously, just try Picard. I promise you won't regret it
[23:59] <strigel_> around 2001/2 iirc
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