#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-03-14

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[0:00] <des2> Picard is better than Shatner ?
[0:00] <mchou> lol
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[0:00] <mchou> that's kirk to you, my man
[0:00] <strigel_> anyone here have the xonar st?
[0:01] <strigel_> seriously, how did he make it with a name like Shatner
[0:01] <mchou> strigel_: by over-emoting
[0:01] <strigel_> if you did a shatner in those tight trousers it would be quite a clean up
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[0:02] <[deXter]> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/03/raspberry-pi-retailers-clarify-shipping-costs-on-35-linux-computer.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[0:02] <strigel_> mchou: and judicious use of the pregnant. pause.
[0:02] <randomuser> How is this #raspberrypi and not ##raspberrypi ?
[0:02] <mchou> strigel_: he _looked_ pregnant
[0:03] <[deXter]> randomuser, Because no one complained. :)
[0:03] <strigel_> someone explain the ## thing?
[0:03] <[deXter]> ## is meant for unofficial channels and # for official ones
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> ## channels are uno
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> ...
[0:04] <strigel_> there will be men with sticks coming to crack heads soon
[0:04] <randomuser> heh
[0:04] <randomuser> someone should get ahead of that
[0:04] <mchou> gonna go clockwork orange
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> I don't get it.
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> What tag is Explorer editing/reading?
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> Album artist is specified.
[0:05] <traeak> RITRedbeard: hmm...first i ever heard about that with halflife2
[0:05] <mchou> Explorer??
[0:05] <mchou> wtf
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[0:06] <[deXter]> RITRedbeard, I suggest you redo all your tags using Mp3tag.. it's great at fixing such issues
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[0:07] <mchou> [deXter]: Mp3tag is way to laborious
[0:07] <mchou> too*
[0:07] <RITRedbeard> it looks great in foobar but on the Clip+ or explorer it does not like
[0:07] <[deXter]> mchou, it supports batch processing
[0:07] <mchou> [deXter]: picard is way better
[0:08] <[deXter]> hmm, never tried picard
[0:08] <mchou> picard tagging is systemized and complete
[0:09] <[deXter]> what does it do better than mp3tag?
[0:09] <mchou> would take me too long to explain
[0:09] <[deXter]> Well, just tell me the best feature then
[0:09] <mchou> just try it, I promise you won't regret it
[0:09] * Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:09] <mchou> [deXter]: ever heard of musicbrainz?
[0:10] <[deXter]> Lol okay
[0:10] <[deXter]> yeah
[0:10] <[deXter]> I use the database sometimes
[0:10] <[deXter]> but it's mostly useless for me
[0:10] <mchou> ever see all taggs tied to a song in MB?
[0:10] <mchou> tags*
[0:10] <strigel_> gonna make me a high end portable player / recorder when I get my first pi
[0:11] <[deXter]> "tags tied to song in mb"?
[0:11] <mchou> yeah
[0:11] <[deXter]> what do you mean
[0:11] <mchou> all tags a song has in MB
[0:11] * Martix (~martix@134.89.broadband12.iol.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[0:11] <mchou> crap man
[0:12] <mchou> i can't believe I'm explaining something so basic
[0:12] <mchou> just try picard and get over it
[0:12] <[deXter]> Well I'm not sure what you're trying to explain? O.o
[0:12] <philh> RITRedbeard, so explorer presents files by metadata thesedays?
[0:12] <[deXter]> okay, checking out picard now
[0:12] <strigel_> does he look cute?
[0:13] <mchou> [deXter]: what the hell is so foreign a concept to you about all tags a song has in MB?
[0:13] <strigel_> mchou: well I don't understand that either
[0:13] <mchou> strigel_: if you know what musicbrainz is why the hell are you even asking??
[0:13] <[deXter]> mchou, I'm not understanding what you're saying.. are you saying that MB has like a ton of tags that only picard can use/find?
[0:14] <mchou> no
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[0:14] <mchou> I'm saying the schema is well defined at MB, and picard batch tags all the crap for you
[0:14] <strigel_> ok, sorry for saying but what you said doesn't make any sense to me. Just trying to help
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[0:14] <strigel_> don't be angry
[0:14] <mchou> wtf
[0:15] <[deXter]> mchou, okay, lemme try batch tagging my collection using MB/picard :)
[0:15] <mchou> even provides lyrics
[0:16] * philh apt-gets picard to prod at
[0:16] <RITRedbeard__> apparently it is an issue between tag styles
[0:17] <mchou> do just one song first
[0:17] <RITRedbeard__> which does the clip+ like?
[0:17] <mchou> depending on size of your collection it can take a long time
[0:17] <[deXter]> true
[0:18] <strigel_> ok, now I get it. this is awesome
[0:18] <mchou> shit man
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[0:18] <RITRedbeard__> oh
[0:19] <RITRedbeard__> okay I guess I just have to force ID3v2
[0:19] <[deXter]> okay first folder I tried, no results
[0:20] <mchou> no results? you get those files from torrent?
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[0:20] <strigel_> I don't think it's going to find your German Death Metal dexter..
[0:20] <mchou> lol
[0:20] <[deXter]> strigel_, Not german death metal, but psychedelic
[0:20] <strigel_> lol
[0:21] <mchou> strigel_: umm, I have very wierd taste in music, and it's rare someting is not already in MB
[0:21] <[deXter]> What's the difference between "lookup" and "scan" ?
[0:21] <[deXter]> and what the heck is cluster?
[0:21] <mchou> oh crap
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[0:22] <philh> i guess scan produces a fingerprint from the audio content of the file to match against the mb database, not sure about lookup
[0:22] <mchou> cluster means "attempt to link to album"
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[0:22] <[deXter]> oh
[0:22] <mchou> scan means scan cd and generate fingerprint
[0:22] <strigel_> works great for me..
[0:22] <philh> i just scanned some oggs
[0:22] <philh> that seemed to work
[0:22] <strigel_> does it support batched scans
[0:23] <[deXter]> and "lookup" tries to match the scanned fingerprints?
[0:23] <traeak> i usually boil my oggs
[0:23] <philh> i click the cluster button first
[0:23] <mchou> yup, select the parent folder
[0:23] <mchou> scans everything under that
[0:23] <strigel_> well when I clicked scan, it triggered my firewall, so scan talks to MB it seems
[0:23] <mchou> indeed
[0:23] <philh> tbh, i haven't actually ripped anything that didn't get a successful lookup from soundjuicer, so picard is a little superfluous
[0:24] <mchou> soundjuicer??
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[0:24] <mchou> isnt that abandonware?
[0:24] <philh> no idea, it was the gnome cd ripper, it's still in a current ubuntu
[0:24] <mchou> lol
[0:25] <mchou> go look up last activity in source repo
[0:25] <GabrialDestruir> abandonware, interesting term
[0:25] <strigel_> I have always used razorlame + freedb, but this is great for stuff I 'acquired' elsewhere and haven't tagged properly
[0:25] <mchou> freedb is lame
[0:25] <des2> Lots of Linux abandonware
[0:25] <philh> i used to use grip, but my CDs are in a better state thesedays, so it's less necessary
[0:25] <strigel_> mchou: yes, it's crap, but mostly picks up my stuff
[0:26] <philh> besides, i hear that cdparanoia's not to be trusted anymore
[0:26] <strigel_> I am not into prog death psychadelica
[0:26] <strigel_> philh: lol
[0:26] <mchou> strigel_: there's no "system" at freedb. too freewheeling....
[0:26] <[deXter]> mchou, After I did a lookup, some tracks are highlighted in pink.. I don't notice any change. What does this mean?
[0:26] <RITRedbeard__> I found the issue
[0:26] * RITRedbeard__ is now known as RITRedbeard
[0:26] <markus_> hello linux hackers.
[0:26] <markus_> sudo cowsay WelcMOoOne! >> /etc/issue
[0:26] <markus_> -bash: /etc/issue: Permission denied
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[0:26] <strigel_> mchou: clearly MB is the best, you win, but I wasn't fighting :)
[0:26] <markus_> how can i write that in one line so i don't get permission denied?
[0:27] <mchou> [deXter]: colors mean likelihood the track is matched to the proper tag
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[0:27] <philh> rubyripper's ok, but for a bug which means that it takes a 30 minute break between tracks...
[0:27] <slaeshjag> markus_: /etc/issue exists?
[0:27] <[deXter]> mchou, Ah okay
[0:27] <strigel_> I am a Linux user but I heard EAC > cdparanoia
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[0:27] <philh> yeah, well EAC is still maintained
[0:27] <des2> EAC is the standard all others are judged by
[0:28] <philh> the closest to EAC on linux is rubyripper
[0:28] <[deXter]> markus_, su -c "cowsay WelcMOoOne! >> /etc/issue"
[0:28] <philh> you can even set the offset
[0:28] <markus_> slaeshjag: yes
[0:28] <markus_> [deXter]: thanks. you circumvented sudo
[0:28] <strigel_> markus: su -c "cowsay WelcMOoOne! >> /etc/issue"
[0:28] <strigel_> try that
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[0:29] <[deXter]> Is there an echo in here?
[0:29] <strigel_> f*ck I can't read
[0:29] <strigel_> sorry deXter
[0:29] <[deXter]> :)
[0:29] <des2> there is an echo in here ?
[0:30] <strigel_> here...here...here
[0:31] <markus_> strigel_: thanks that works too since it's identical to what [deXter] wrote :)
[0:31] <markus_> oh i see you already noticed hehe
[0:31] <strigel_> I was so busy copy/pasting your command I missed deXter's
[0:32] <strigel_> now it looks like I'm just copying him :(
[0:32] <strigel_> I'm glad you found your solution, but what made you come this chan for linux help :/
[0:32] <markus_> I'm playing a bit with my cubox (armv7) box. I want a nice greeting when i connect to it.
[0:33] <strigel_> ahah
[0:33] <markus_> i was here already and i thought nobody would mind
[0:33] <des2> We don't mind if you play with your cubox as long as we don't have to watch
[0:34] <strigel_> Nah, I don't mean someone minds, it's just a smart place to ask for linux help
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[0:34] <[deXter]> Hey, what you do with your cubox is your own business. :P
[0:35] <markus_> des2: what if i force you to idle here for all infinity and don't even let you go to the bathroom?
[0:35] <markus_> i don't think i have any chance of enforcing it
[0:35] <markus_> hehe
[0:35] <strigel_> ooookaaay
[0:36] <markus_> excuse me.. my excuse is.. it's getting late here
[0:36] <markus_> it's 00:35
[0:36] <strigel_> Germany, righ?
[0:36] <markus_> It could be but Sweden
[0:36] <markus_> same time zone though, and poland as well
[0:37] <strigel_> London here, 23:36
[0:37] <strigel_> still two beers remaining...
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[0:37] <markus_> hehe... so are you using GMT / UTC / BST or something else?
[0:38] <strigel_> all three
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[0:38] <strigel_> at the moment
[0:38] <strigel_> until next weekend
[0:38] <markus_> but not all of them are the same
[0:38] <[deXter]> It's 12:37 over here :)
[0:38] <markus_> not always at least
[0:38] <strigel_> well strictly you can't be on BST until BST kicks in, but right now they're the same
[0:39] <strigel_> I'll be robbed of my hour next week
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[0:39] <strigel_> do you have DST up there in snowland?
[0:39] <des2> The PI doesn't have a real time clock. Time is irrelevant.
[0:40] <strigel_> or is it 6 months light, 6 months dark
[0:40] <strigel_> des2: is that the message from RS?
[0:41] <SoulShadow> us here in murika were already robbed
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[0:42] <strigel_> SoulShadow: dissambiguate!
[0:42] <strigel_> Estonia?
[0:42] <SoulShadow> murika
[0:42] <SoulShadow> 'murika = America
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[0:43] <strigel_> yes, those were the odds. New term to me, but there is a village in estonia too :)
[0:43] <SoulShadow> they have internet is estonia?!
[0:43] <SoulShadow> :p
[0:43] <strigel_> no idea, but the girls are supposed to be hot
[0:43] <mchou> dws, I believe it has an RTC but it just needs an oscillator
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[0:44] <SoulShadow> well what more do they have to do all day than care for their looks if they have no internets, strigel_
[0:44] <mchou> des2: I believe it has an RTC but it just needs an oscillator
[0:44] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[0:44] <RITRedbeard> my music barely fits on my clip+
[0:44] <mchou> and a battery backup, of course
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[0:45] <SoulShadow> my music wouldn't fit on a sansa device, RITRedbeard
[0:45] <SoulShadow> know how i know? i have one :p
[0:45] <mchou> RITRedbeard: get a zip + SD card
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[0:45] <strigel_> I honestly have no idea what people do who don't have the internet
[0:45] <sqrt[evil]> something productive?
[0:45] <des2> lol
[0:46] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: truth
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[0:46] <strigel_> sqrt[evil]: hmm well, lets deal with an example: my wife used to watch TV all day until I got her a laptop. Now she spends my money on eBay all day.
[0:46] <mchou> haha
[0:46] <strigel_> so, not necessarily
[0:46] <traeak> sqrt[evil]: double edged sword. for research (read stealing algorithms) access to the internet is great
[0:46] <mchou> fleabay
[0:46] <sqrt[evil]> lolol
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[0:47] <des2> "The expectation is that non-network connected units will have their clocks updated manually at startup. Adding an RTC is surprisingly expensive, once you?ve factored in batteries, area and componentry and would have pushed us above our target price. You can add one yourself using the GPIO pins if you?re after an interesting electronics project."
[0:47] <sqrt[evil]> yeah i agree, i really couldn't honestly tell you if i'm more or less productive due to the internet
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[0:48] <mchou> des2: that just means go desolder the battery and xtal from an old mobo :)
[0:48] <rvalles> DES2: RTC sorta implies battery, which is quite the problem.
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[0:48] <strigel_> on the one hand, the internet shows us how we really are. Look at the availability of porn. Does it corrupt society? Perhaps, or perhaps it accelerates us towards our pre-dermined and lawful decay
[0:49] <strigel_> having said that, charities like Oxfam are really using internet + social networking to affect real change in the supply chain of conglomerates where their behaviour impacts the environment
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[0:50] <SpeedEvil> strigel_: I have real questions about that.
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> They are hitting the obvious points.
[0:50] <mchou> strigel_: you mean Apple :)
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> For example - Nokia, Apple, ...
[0:50] * strigel_ puts on a tin hat
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[0:50] <SpeedEvil> All the shiny stuff.
[0:50] <traeak> rpi is alomst 100% internet marketing
[0:50] <strigel_> I'm out of this discussion before it starts :)
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> They are not covering the supply chain of stuff which sells for under $10
[0:50] <mchou> haha
[0:51] <mchou> SpeedEvil: you mean $35 + shipping :)
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> They can make nice press releases 'we made apple do...'
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> They can't make nice press releases out of 'we made factory 549 do'
[0:51] <mchou> SpeedEvil: I'm not so sure your assertion is true, btw
[0:51] <strigel_> SpeedEvil: it's not utopia, you're right, but for the first time I see the shoots of progressive use of the internet. Take retroshare. There is hope that covert groups can now supplant the ominous encroachment upon civil liberties by governments and law enforcement agencies
[0:52] <markus_> strigel_: yup, not yet though :P
[0:52] <mchou> SpeedEvil: lead paint in toys, <10/unit
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> mchou: Lead paint in toys was not lead by oxfam et al.
[0:52] <mchou> no, I wasn't referring to oxfam in particular
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[0:53] <mchou> but GO and NGOs
[0:53] <strigel_> Oxfam is just one example. Now where did I put that latest lesbian porn flick...
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[0:56] <mchou> wonder if foxconn was the contract manufacturer for RPi
[0:56] <des2> I think they're busy at the moment
[0:56] <mchou> no doubt some works committing suicide over 10K rework
[0:57] <mchou> workers*
[0:57] <des2> They said it was smaller than foxcon
[0:57] <mchou> I know I'd jump
[0:57] <sqrt[evil]> they'd have to get a special concession from foxconn for such a small order
[0:57] <des2> So it wasn't foxconn.
[0:58] <mchou> the funny thing is foxconn is consider the best place to work in China right now
[0:58] <Lord_DeathMatch> huh
[0:58] <mchou> anybody else has to be even worse
[0:58] <traeak> mchou: depends...from what i understand intel is pretty aweseom to work for
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[0:59] <mchou> traeak: maybe
[0:59] <sqrt[evil]> does intel operate in china?
[0:59] <traeak> heh
[0:59] <mchou> but who wants to be in a bunny suit all day
[0:59] <strigel_> picard has found all my obscure ska and reggae stuff
[0:59] <[deXter]> lol mchou
[0:59] <sqrt[evil]> i went to Wendy's today
[0:59] <sqrt[evil]> and the girl was ina fucking Wendy costume
[0:59] <traeak> http://www.intel.com/jobs/china/
[0:59] <sqrt[evil]> pink pigtails and everything
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[1:00] <traeak> sqrt[evil]: she turn you on?
[1:00] <sqrt[evil]> no, but i think i'd rather work on a factory floor at foxconn
[1:00] <strigel_> traeak: aw, beat me to it
[1:00] <sqrt[evil]> :P
[1:01] <traeak> cosplay
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[1:03] <mchou> strigel_: picard will clean up whatever freedb polluted on your collection too
[1:04] <mchou> I'm telling you if you use dlna picard is a lifesaver
[1:04] <strigel_> ok, great. Well I never knew I wanted to re-tag my stuff, but now I am having fun with it
[1:04] <strigel_> I do use DLNA
[1:05] <strigel_> i use media tomb going to a technica smartbox
[1:05] <strigel_> so, yeah, it will be great for that
[1:05] <mchou> now you can actually have tags that adhere to semantic info and schema
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[1:06] <des2> schema even ?!
[1:06] <mchou> schema alone is not enough
[1:07] <des2> Yeah you need food too
[1:07] <strigel_> how does the semantic part work in this context since you're on a roll?
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[1:07] <mchou> it just means there's no random shit like freedb
[1:07] <strigel_> des2: I survived on schema for weeks once
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[1:08] <tran4> I'm a senior CS undergrad. I applied to a company for co-op and intern positions: http://pastebin.com/LdAH6eaZ Are they good? Should I respond to the recruiter about this job or wait and see if the company contacts me? I applied thru both. The recruiter's ad lists $14/hr. I live with my parents and they want me to get some work experience this summer. I havent had many replies.
[1:09] <des2> smegma maybe but not schema.
[1:09] <SoulShadow> why would you post that in RPI
[1:09] <SoulShadow> why does anyone in here care
[1:09] <SoulShadow> lol
[1:09] <sqrt[evil]> tran4: my advice is definitely take *a* co-op opportunity
[1:10] <sqrt[evil]> don't waste that chance to gain valuable experience, it will help you immensely once you graduate
[1:10] <sqrt[evil]> and expect to be underpaid for it
[1:10] <mchou> tran4: word to sqrt[evil]
[1:10] <strigel_> des2: leave your preferences out of it man
[1:10] <mchou> georgia pacific though.....
[1:10] <tran4> sqrt[evil] is a co op better than an internship or part time work?
[1:10] <mchou> not exactly plum
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[1:11] <sqrt[evil]> tran4: it's more about getting experience which can be tough. usually co-op is a good deal for the employer so it's easier to get the job.
[1:11] <mchou> tran4: it all depends on where and who you get to hang out with
[1:11] <sqrt[evil]> if you can land a decent job on your own though it doesn't matter
[1:12] <sqrt[evil]> try and do something you might be interested in pursuing as a career
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[1:12] <mchou> haha
[1:12] <strigel_> ok, he's gone now, relax
[1:12] <des2> I guess he posted that in every channel.
[1:12] <sqrt[evil]> lulz
[1:12] <sqrt[evil]> never seen someone get klined for asking a dumb question before lol
[1:12] <mchou> maybe he was just trolling us
[1:13] <sqrt[evil]> he's probably the GP recruiter
[1:13] <mchou> what do you expect from somebody from Atlanta :)
[1:14] <mchou> if he comes back we should ask him which school
[1:14] * sqrt[evil] knows little of american stereotypes
[1:14] <mchou> then give him appropriate advice :)
[1:15] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: chances are he's not from a top tier school
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[1:16] <sqrt[evil]> love how we're discussing this guy after he gets klined
[1:17] <mchou> bah
[1:17] <mchou> what's the big deal anyways
[1:18] <sqrt[evil]> big deal?
[1:18] <mchou> "love how we're discussing..."
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[1:19] <sqrt[evil]> not a big deal, just a bit amusing
[1:19] <sqrt[evil]> troll successful!
[1:19] <mchou> he'd have more success if he tried panhandling :)
[1:20] <mchou> probably make more money than some internship
[1:20] <sqrt[evil]> lul
[1:21] <mchou> I'm not joking by the way
[1:21] <mchou> I watched one panhandler for about half an hour
[1:21] <mchou> dude collected over $100
[1:21] <traeak> i co=op'd one session and from that learned that i would be horrible as a traditional engineer :-p
[1:21] <sqrt[evil]> pretty sure you wouldn't get that here
[1:22] <traeak> panhandling is relatively hard work
[1:22] <mchou> traeak: you just have to pick the right spot
[1:22] <traeak> mchou: and look the part
[1:22] <mchou> traeak: I'm not saying it isn't hard work
[1:22] <SoulShadow> and get dumb people to give you cash
[1:22] <traeak> heh
[1:22] <traeak> plenty of supply
[1:23] <traeak> of dumb people
[1:23] <mchou> I'm saying it's easy to take advantage of people's sympathy
[1:24] <sqrt[evil]> around here people are very jaded about panhandlers
[1:24] <sqrt[evil]> i don't think they do very well
[1:24] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: how many panhandlers/intersection on average where you are?
[1:25] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: just guesstimate
[1:25] <sqrt[evil]> hmm hard to say, enough that you'll see a few if you go walking anywhere during the day
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[1:26] <mchou> panhandler's here camp at shopping mall exits here
[1:26] <mchou> very lucrative
[1:26] <sqrt[evil]> liquor store exits seem to be a popular spot
[1:26] <mchou> lol
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[1:26] <mchou> that's just stupid
[1:27] <sqrt[evil]> i think they've also been screwed by the fact that almost nobody uses cash anymore
[1:27] <sqrt[evil]> sometimes i'm feeling charitable, but have no change
[1:27] <sqrt[evil]> well, most of the time i have no change unless i've just come from a bar
[1:27] <mchou> that too
[1:27] <traeak> sqrt[evil]: where you at? liquor store means they don't have far to go to spend the money you gave them.
[1:28] <sqrt[evil]> vancouver canada
[1:28] <traeak> one reason to live somewhere with a miserable climate is to discourage the panhandlers
[1:28] <traeak> hehe
[1:29] <sqrt[evil]> yeah they all come here from everywhere east of here lol
[1:29] <mchou> I don't think vancouver can be considered temperate :)
[1:29] <sqrt[evil]> compared to edmonton or winnipeg it's paradise
[1:29] <mchou> true that
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[1:30] <mchou> maybe it's the most temperate city in canada
[1:30] <sqrt[evil]> victoria gets lets rain
[1:30] <mchou> panhandling in toronto ypu'd probably freeze your ass off
[1:30] <mchou> you'd*
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[1:36] <traeak> was in ottawa for some days last week
[1:36] <traeak> nice and cold there
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[1:37] <sqrt[evil]> it snowed in vancouver today o.O
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[1:42] <mchou> I have to say calgary cops are aholes
[1:42] <mchou> I jaywalked and they threatened to book me
[1:43] <mchou> the youth hostel was right down the street
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> lol
[1:43] <sqrt[evil]> apparently they are cracking down on jaywalking here after a bunch pf pedesetrian accidents
[1:43] <mchou> and they knew I was a tourist
[1:43] <mchou> considering I was from NYC I felt like giving them the bird
[1:44] <AdrianG> so ur came all the way to calgary
[1:44] <AdrianG> to get booked for jaywalking
[1:44] <sqrt[evil]> worth it.
[1:44] <mchou> hell yeah!
[1:45] <AdrianG> you disgust me.
[1:45] <AdrianG> filthy criminals.
[1:45] <mchou> lol
[1:45] <sqrt[evil]> luckily we are building lots more jails for people like you
[1:45] <AdrianG> he should've been given life
[1:46] <traeak> wierd they would let him in...i almost got kicked out at customs
[1:46] <sqrt[evil]> well, the jails come with new mandatory minimum sentencing
[1:46] <AdrianG> it'd get quickly reduced to a slap on the wrist in the canadian courts
[1:46] <sqrt[evil]> so i'm sure the conservative government could cram that through too
[1:46] <[deXter]> Stop right there criminal scum!! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence, Your jaywalking days are now over!
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[1:47] <AdrianG> who here is in favor to ban criminals from this chat.
[1:47] <AdrianG> raise yur hands
[1:47] * sqrt[evil] stuffs hands in pockets
[1:47] <traeak> heh
[1:47] <AdrianG> r u a criminal sqrt
[1:47] <AdrianG> you either stand with us, or with child pornographers
[1:47] <traeak> btw, canadian customs is probably the worst aside from US customs
[1:47] <traeak> us customs is atrocious
[1:47] <mchou> maybe I should try panhandling in Calgary next
[1:47] <AdrianG> traeak: why?
[1:48] <AdrianG> i never get checked
[1:48] <sqrt[evil]> i'm canadian and i don't like canadian customs
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[1:48] <AdrianG> and im a very suspicious looking person
[1:48] <sqrt[evil]> they always give me a hard time
[1:48] <AdrianG> why
[1:48] <traeak> AdrianG: i screwed up: landed in ottawa inthe middle of the night on a very small aircraft
[1:48] <[deXter]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCsMKypvmB0
[1:48] <sqrt[evil]> well not 'hard', but i always declare anything
[1:48] <traeak> i think the customs guys were bored, i was there for a business trip and wasn't thinking when i got grilled
[1:48] <sqrt[evil]> yet they still ask annoying questions as if i'm being dishonest
[1:48] <AdrianG> traeak: ur own aircraft?
[1:49] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: like what?
[1:49] <traeak> AdrianG: hell no, but no one goes to ottawa, it was some oversized leer jet type thingy
[1:49] <AdrianG> traeak: ottawa is overflowing with all kinds of law enformcenet
[1:49] <sqrt[evil]> mchou: i once had a woman that questioned whether i'd actually gone to a concert that day in seattle
[1:49] <sqrt[evil]> made me find a ticket stub
[1:50] <mchou> wtf??
[1:50] <traeak> AdrianG: and since it's the government seat i'm sure they are more eager to do tit for tat with the stupid US customs
[1:50] <sqrt[evil]> another time i went down to pick up a used server i had bought
[1:50] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: you should have said "would you like a souvenir?"
[1:50] <sqrt[evil]> guy makes me pull it out of my car in the rain
[1:50] <sqrt[evil]> open the box, blah blah looks through my car
[1:50] <AdrianG> traeak: they are just bored
[1:50] <sqrt[evil]> then he's like 'you said it was made int he usa, but look it says *assembled* in the usa'
[1:50] <traeak> AdrianG: yup, figured so
[1:50] <sqrt[evil]> 'i know the duties didn't apply to you but i wanted to teach you a lesson'
[1:51] <mchou> lol
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[1:51] <traeak> the lesson is: they got power to fsck you good if they feel like it
[1:51] <traeak> and you can't do jack
[1:51] <sqrt[evil]> i've never had real trouble with them, they're just a pain in the ass
[1:51] <traeak> i'll know better next time :-p
[1:51] <mchou> shit man
[1:51] <sqrt[evil]> i'd really hate to not be canadian though, the US gov't is insane
[1:51] <sqrt[evil]> you need to give like retinal scans, photos, fingerprints and a life history to get in
[1:52] <mchou> customs in calgary were couteous
[1:52] <traeak> for customs yeah....massive double standard
[1:52] <sqrt[evil]> ridiculous invasion of privacy
[1:52] <mchou> courteous*
[1:52] <traeak> yeah, calgary was a piece of cake, toronto as well
[1:52] <sqrt[evil]> never had trouble at the airport
[1:52] <sqrt[evil]> that's always quick and painless
[1:52] <mchou> asked me why I bought expired passport :)
[1:52] <traeak> sqrt[evil]: i wish they had those for all the illegal aliens they let thorugh the southern border
[1:53] <traeak> they just catch and release those when they get in, no questions asked
[1:53] <mchou> traeak: I think calgary expects to be friendly to tourists
[1:53] <mchou> calgary is the gateway to banff
[1:53] <mchou> so they must see all sorts of shit
[1:53] <traeak> heh
[1:53] <sqrt[evil]> also those body scanners
[1:53] <traeak> DO NOT GO THERE
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[1:54] <sqrt[evil]> banff or calgary?
[1:54] <traeak> body scanners
[1:54] <sqrt[evil]> lol right
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/ now we got the bloody scanners in Australia too =(
[1:54] <traeak> they get to see yoru privates but don't care about the gun you've strapped to yourself or have in your loose clothing
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[1:54] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: that is such a joke.
[1:54] <mchou> seriously next time tape a flask to your side....
[1:55] <sqrt[evil]> going to nyc in april
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[1:55] <sqrt[evil]> looking forward to my body scan
[1:55] <mchou> body scanner will miss it
[1:56] <traeak> purely politcal payoff and harassment of the population for no good reason to boot
[1:56] <shirro> us/can border should be like au/nz. any produce? got any dirty camping shit or shit on your boots. Fine mate, through ya go
[1:56] <mchou> http://consumerist.com/2010/04/post-1.html
[1:56] <traeak> going to the EU is pretty awesome too
[1:56] <sqrt[evil]> shirro: that'd be nice, kind of
[1:56] <ShiftPlusOne> well they say the all images are deleted and the images displayed use a 3d model =/
[1:56] <sqrt[evil]> maybe it'd reduce the price gouging
[1:57] <sqrt[evil]> i pay like 30% more for gas than my southern mates 50km away
[1:57] <shirro> ofcourse they are supposed to check your laptop for porn as well (cos it isn't like we have the Internet inside the bord43er)
[1:57] <sqrt[evil]> oh right i forgot about that
[1:57] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: how much is gas there/liter now?
[1:57] <traeak> shirro: and of course for "illegal dvd's"
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[1:57] <sqrt[evil]> bought gas today at 140.8
[1:57] * sqrt[evil] shudders
[1:57] <mchou> sqrt[evil]: what?
[1:58] <shirro> "So ya got any porn on that thing?" - why sure, what do you like?
[1:58] <sqrt[evil]> i think about 6 or 7c of that is local transit tax
[1:58] <traeak> actually us airport customs depends on where you land as well
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> Gah..... why do they make phones do stupid things when the battery is about to die?
[1:58] <mchou> you meant 14.08?
[1:58] <sqrt[evil]> 1.408
[1:58] <mchou> lol
[1:58] <sqrt[evil]> it's cents/litre that they put on the boards
[1:58] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: like burn more battery telling you over and over again the battery is dying ?
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> Like vibrating the phone for like 20 seconds
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[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> to get my attention so I know the battery is dying
[1:59] <sqrt[evil]> well, i think if you were waiting for a call you'd appreciate the notification
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[2:02] <sqrt[evil]> i should get a nexus pass just so i can cross the border for gas
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> It bugs me when stuff does that though..... "Oh the phones dying.... lets start flashing lights making noise, vibrating."
[2:02] <sqrt[evil]> i have some clients that are literally like 100m from the border
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[2:04] <SpeedEvil> I regret my prediction of Pi day for Pi availability seems to be somewhat off.
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[2:05] <des2> PI day is just beginning
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> True.
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[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> No one is getting pi today!
[2:05] <sqrt[evil]> ??
[2:05] <sqrt[evil]> does work?
[2:05] <[deXter]> The pi is a lie!
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[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> They should of named it "raspberry cake"
[2:06] <sqrt[evil]> ????
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[2:07] <sqrt[evil]> raspberry muffin.
[2:07] <des2> The cake programming language never rose to a level of success.
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> ??
[2:07] <sqrt[evil]> ??=RC
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> I should create a new programming language....
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> and call it cake
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:08] <sqrt[evil]> google tells me this already exist
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> dratz
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[2:35] <bjorkintosh> i want a pie.
[2:36] <bjorkintosh> where ican i find one in the US?
[2:38] <sraue> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day i think you will find some today in the US
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> your local bakery, I suppose.
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[2:39] <[deXter]> !, lol.
[2:39] <Syliss> yey go me, got denied for state medical ins
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[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> you can get denied for medical insurance? O_o
[2:40] <[deXter]> Syliss, Are you sure you entered the right password?
[2:40] <Syliss> lol
[2:41] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: for state provided ins, yes
[2:41] <Syliss> i "made too much money"
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[2:41] <Syliss> i think they messed up some where, so I'm reapplying
[2:41] <Syliss> stupid caifornia
[2:41] <Syliss> california
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> have you tried making less money?
[2:42] <Syliss> I'm on disability atm
[2:42] <Syliss> and my wife has 2 part time jobs
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> well clearly you're too much of a fatcat for state provided medical insurance
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> The American approach to health care and insurance confuses me =/
[2:45] <mrdragons> It's a clusterfuck for sure
[2:47] <Syliss> it is
[2:48] <Syliss> my job where i worked full time didn't offer health ins and i broke my leg heading to work. now i may have to pay $25k-$40k
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> For a simple break?
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> Or complex?
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[2:48] <Syliss> surgery
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> So not just a couple of sticks, and a bandage.
[2:48] <Syliss> not even close
[2:48] <Syliss> 2 plates and screws
[2:49] <mrdragons> Damn, that's a year's salery for a lot of people. :\
[2:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ouch
[2:49] <ShiftPlusOne> financially and physically
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: Ouch indeed.
[2:49] <Syliss> more then what my wife and i made last year
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[3:17] <rvalles> heh, it's Pi day.
[3:18] <des2> Do you have your Pi ?
[3:18] <DaQatz> I think he means compare PI the constant and the date
[3:19] <[deXter]> I think you missed the joke.
[3:20] <DaQatz> There was a joke?
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[3:24] <des2> Kind of a bittersweet Pi day without your Pi
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[3:26] <[deXter]> yeah
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[3:29] <mkopack> 'sup guys?
[3:29] <mkopack> I see Andytuk got Quake3 running on the RPi and he said it's running REALLY well!
[3:30] <mkopack> And yay, my Newegg order with 2 more 16GB SD cards and 2 HDMI cables arrived today :)
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[3:38] <des2> Does Angry Birds run on it yet ?
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[3:38] <[deXter]> Is there anything Angry Birds doesn't run on? :P
[3:38] <[deXter]> My toaster probably could.
[3:39] <shirro> des2: It runs on Roku and my really crap phone so it is just a matter of time
[3:41] <shirro> The only pie i am going to be getting today is a good aussie meat pie with sauce (ketchup).
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[3:42] <courpse> steak and kidney pie ftw.
[3:42] <shirro> courpse: might go a steak and mushroom pie
[3:43] <shirro> I have totally gone off fruit pies
[3:43] <courpse> Good choice too.
[3:43] <courpse> I haven't had a fruit pie in a very long time.
[3:43] <DaQatz> Hmm totally craving mushrooms right now
[3:43] <courpse> Here in NZ, pies have meat in em.
[3:43] <courpse> Not this apple pie crap.
[3:43] <shirro> courpse: yeah, just don't ask what sort of meat
[3:43] <DaQatz> Here in the US pies have EVERYTHING in them.
[3:44] <courpse> Naw, they're good here.
[3:44] <[deXter]> courpse, Sweet; whereabouts you from?
[3:44] <DaQatz> meat fruit veggies, hell even sugar pies
[3:44] <courpse> Local pi shop is co-owned by a butchers that is next door.
[3:44] <courpse> And they don't stick crap in them.
[3:44] <courpse> [deXter], Wairarapa.
[3:44] <[deXter]> Ah, cool
[3:45] <[deXter]> I'm in boring ol AKL.
[3:45] * courpse nods.
[3:45] <courpse> Hate the citys, :/
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[3:45] <courpse> Too busy for lil' ol' me.
[3:46] <shirro> Country bakeries are the best
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[3:47] <shirro> An aus meat pie has to be 25% meat. Meat being ???the skeletal muscle of the carcass of any buffalo, camel, cattle, deer, goat, hare, pig, poultry, rabbit or sheep, slaughtered other than in a wild state (i.e. not bush meat), plus any attached animal rind, fat, connective tissue, nerve, blood and blood vessels???.
[3:47] <shirro> Makes my mouth water.
[3:47] <courpse> lol.
[3:48] <Milos|Netbook> hey it's courpse
[3:48] <courpse> Sounds tasty, :/
[3:48] <DaQatz> Hmm not sure if always want that much meat in a pie.
[3:48] <Milos|Netbook> lovely NZ weather
[3:48] <courpse> Moin Milos.
[3:48] <courpse> DaQatz, The more the better.
[3:48] <courpse> I'd be happy with a sirloin steak in pasty.
[3:48] <DaQatz> Beef and mushroom I want lots of potato and mushrooms, maybe 15% meat
[3:49] * SpeedEvil finishes his order to tesco, and hits submit.
[3:49] <DaQatz> And lots of bay to season =)
[3:49] * SpeedEvil will have raspberry pi tomorrow.
[3:49] <ReggieUK> :D
[3:49] <shirro> I think Australia and NZ need to launch a challenge to this Raspberry thing. Can't let the Poms win.
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[3:49] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: I truely wish that were the case for you
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[3:49] <courpse> shirro, Well, that'd be easy.
[3:49] <DaQatz> "poms" ?
[3:50] <[deXter]> shirro, Agreed.
[3:50] <[deXter]> pommies. :P
[3:50] <DaQatz> Still no clue
[3:50] <courpse> Just send out magnetic ethernet ports by themselfs.
[3:50] <courpse> If they arrive within 2 months, we won.
[3:50] <shirro> poms is short for pommy bastards - a term of affection
[3:50] <Tachyon`> !
[3:50] <DaQatz> Ah "pommy" is not a term that is used here.
[3:51] <[deXter]> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pommie
[3:51] <DaQatz> Not one of our derogatory terms.
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[3:51] <piofcube> lol... whe do people refer to us English in terms of fruit... Limies, pommies... LOL
[3:51] <[deXter]> Well it's common use here in NZ and Oz.
[3:51] * courpse nods.
[3:51] <courpse> A pom is like a brit like a yank is a american.
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[3:51] <shirro> Pom and wog and septic aren't derogatory. They are a statement of fact. You are or you aren't.
[3:52] <piofcube> well at least we don't have roos loose in the top paddock ;-)
[3:52] <courpse> piofcube, Agreed.
[3:52] <DaQatz> The term pommy, pom or pomme,[1] in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, commonly denotes a person of British (usually of English heritage) origin. A derogatory term
[3:53] <courpse> But we are starting to see more wallabies, :/
[3:53] <shirro> piofcube: Ah, you must shoot them like us then. Seriously though mainly see roos lying dead on the road or about to jump in front of your car. Only seen one jumping down my street once.
[3:53] <[deXter]> It isn't derogatory. Case in point: my embedded systems professor always introduces himself as a pom. :)
[3:53] <piofcube> shirro: makes good dog food.. better than you'd get in a tin here
[3:53] <courpse> AU pays decent money for dead wallabies.
[3:54] <DaQatz> In the US derogatory terms for the british are "Limies" and "Tea swillers"
[3:54] <courpse> Which is kinda odd, they pay more for live ones, but thats not as amusign to me.
[3:54] <piofcube> I mean road kill. Best to make use of it for something... if you can get them "fresh" enough I guess
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[3:55] <courpse> They pay us to hunt them.
[3:55] <piofcube> I almost moved out to Yeppon many years ago
[3:56] <piofcube> Yeppoon*
[3:58] <shirro> So which will be the last country on earth to get deliveries of RPis? I am guessing Aus or NZ.
[3:59] <piofcube> They might get the next lot before anyone see the first 10K
[3:59] <shirro> Based on movies and tv shows I reckon six months later would be a good estimate.
[3:59] <[deXter]> ^
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[4:01] <shirro> I always get nervous installing Ubuntu betas on my wifes desktop. Might be sleeping on the couch tonight.
[4:01] <[deXter]> Better be making plans :P
[4:02] <[deXter]> I wasted half my weekend trying to get Precise working on my family computer..
[4:02] <mrdragons> Best be careful, 12.04 is particularly buggy. :P
[4:02] <[deXter]> Ended up formatting the whole thing and installing the new Mint LXDE edition. :)
[4:03] <shirro> mrdragons: too late now. upgrade in progress. might be reconnecting on a macbook any time now
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[4:04] <DaQatz> I don't use Ubuntu I find it a bit clumsy and bloated.
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[4:05] <mrdragons> Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, I like to stay up-to-date on it though to help people out with it
[4:05] <shirro> I jumped on board with warty because gnome was moving much faster than debian release cycles. My heart is still with Debian. I hate rpm.
[4:05] <sqrt[evil]> Mint is pretty nice
[4:05] <sqrt[evil]> especially the debian version
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[4:06] <Ben64> 12.04 isn't too bad
[4:06] <Ben64> just have to get rid of unity
[4:07] <shirro> Unity isn't that bad. I have a shell filling the screen when I am not in a web browser anyway.
[4:07] <Ben64> unity is pretty bad
[4:07] <Scott_S> Unity, in its current state, isn't all that great though. It'll definitely improved in the next distro and such.
[4:08] <Ben64> its way too mac, and not configurable
[4:08] <sqrt[evil]> i don't mind unity as much as i mind that they screwed with the alt-tab behaviour
[4:08] <shirro> I don't get the unity hate. I don't spend a lot of time with the launcher thing anyway. It seems functional if basic
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[4:09] <sqrt[evil]> it's a regression
[4:10] <Scott_S> It's kinda' like how Windows is switching to a tablet-esque interface for the Start Menu.
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[4:10] <Ben64> they need to give people choices though
[4:10] <Scott_S> It's a chance that people will have to get used to, but is overall quite logical.
[4:10] <mrdragons> I think it just needs time to evolve, and not be tied so closely to ubuntu
[4:10] <Scott_S> Yeah, @Ben64, it'd definitely be nice to have the choice. You do have the choice though in Ubuntu, just not by defaul.
[4:10] <sqrt[evil]> i would say the hate for the new start menu layout in win7 is misplaced, but i kidna get why people don't like unity
[4:10] <Ben64> its not a very good choice
[4:10] <sqrt[evil]> it's much less functional and all around a bit..weird..
[4:10] <[deXter]> ^
[4:10] <Ben64> theming breaks when you get rid of unity
[4:11] <shirro> Oh, there goes the window manager. I so hope this doesn't break to badly.
[4:11] <[deXter]> Applications should be easy to find.. you shouldn't have to go to some lens thing and turn on filters and more and blah.
[4:11] <Scott_S> Well, if you remove unity and install Gnome/etc, I believe you get the theming ability back.
[4:11] <[deXter]> When you could get to it in just one click in earlier versions
[4:11] <Scott_S> Not sure, haven't really done that much.
[4:11] <Ben64> Scott_S: nope
[4:11] <mrdragons> Yeah, and various networking. If I weren't a programmer and couldn't script things myself ubuntu would be hell to customize
[4:11] <Scott_S> Really? Well, then, perhaps they'll add the choice in 12.10 or something.
[4:12] <Ben64> 12.04 should be the solid one : /
[4:12] <sqrt[evil]> 12.04 is LTS right
[4:12] <Ben64> i'm glad i'm testing it on my laptop instead of here
[4:12] <Scott_S> .. Although, I really can't wait until I get my Raspberry Pi. Haven't even gotten the order instructions yet though.
[4:13] <Scott_S> Shove XBMC on it, hardwire it into an HDTV, and kablam.
[4:13] <Ben64> i want to use my phone as a keyboard for the pi
[4:13] <SoulShadow> K A B L A M
[4:13] <Ben64> ssh into pi, run mplayer
[4:13] <Ben64> kablam
[4:13] <Scott_S> Get a USB Bluetooth donble and attach it to it?
[4:13] <sqrt[evil]> xbmc on pi, xbmc remote on phone
[4:13] <sqrt[evil]> way better
[4:13] <Scott_S> dongle *
[4:13] <SoulShadow> i don't like XBMC
[4:13] <Ben64> bluetooth : /
[4:13] <SoulShadow> i prefer plex
[4:13] <Ben64> ssh is more fun
[4:14] <sqrt[evil]> isn't plex a complete rip off of xbmc
[4:14] <Scott_S> I have a plan to open up an older HDTV, hardwire it into a grounded 5V input, and hope for the best.
[4:14] <SoulShadow> works better in my experience, sqrt[evil]
[4:14] <shirro> I just want to use my tv remote. Scary how the 4yo pauses, selects, jumps back and fwd and changes shows on mythtv with the keyboard
[4:14] <sqrt[evil]> meh i've used xbmc for years and don't have any problems with it
[4:14] <SoulShadow> lol mythtv..
[4:15] <RITRedbeard> oh my god
[4:15] <SoulShadow> well we know you don't watch anything encryptedQAM
[4:15] <Scott_S> I wonder where you'd find a 5V input inside of an HDTV... hmm..
[4:15] <Scott_S> output *
[4:15] <sqrt[evil]> try the usb port...
[4:15] <SoulShadow> i dunno, i hear they have little ports for external hard drives
[4:15] <Scott_S> This one doesn't have one.
[4:15] <RITRedbeard> So, Windows decided that my universal storage adapter thingie with CF card was a "removable disk" with unknown partition on it.
[4:15] <shirro> The 18 month old is pretty good at changing shows as well. He often puts things on by himself. Unfortunately sometimes resets the box as well. He was into the grub menu this monring
[4:15] <RITRedbeard> Couldn't format, do anything.
[4:16] <RITRedbeard> Had to get third party tool because it would always enumerate the device as this weird... thing.
[4:16] <Ben64> hey i don't really use mythtv, but how possible would this be: backend on desktop computer, frontend on different computer (either pi or windows, or both) and be able to play live tv?
[4:16] <PReDiToR> RITRedbeard - Linux is the answer. Having access to dmesg output is fantastic and fdisk is > fdisk.exe
[4:16] <SoulShadow> you need a hdhomerun prime and a windows box, Ben64
[4:16] <sqrt[evil]> RITRedbeard: windows can do that when you've got a bad cable
[4:16] <shirro> we have a really good public broadcaster in australia that shows quality kids tv shows all day with no ads. mythtv is brilliant
[4:16] <Ben64> SoulShadow: why
[4:17] <SoulShadow> encryptedQAM wont' play in linux
[4:17] <RITRedbeard> PReDiToR, or dd
[4:17] <Ben64> i don't have encryptedqam
[4:17] <SoulShadow> and 95% of tv is encrypted
[4:17] <Scott_S> Urgh, OpenELEC, y u hate VMWare.
[4:17] <Ben64> i have a hd-5500 and local hdtv channels
[4:17] <SoulShadow> 'hd-5500'?
[4:17] <Ben64> just more wondering about streaming livetv over the network to windows frontend
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[4:18] <Ben64> http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html
[4:18] <SoulShadow> get an hdhomerun then
[4:18] <SoulShadow> a non-prime
[4:18] <SoulShadow> hdhomerun's are network tuners
[4:18] <Ben64> but i have a tuner :|
[4:18] <PReDiToR> Tuna sashimi.
[4:19] <SoulShadow> i couldn't live on clearQAM channels
[4:19] <SoulShadow> there's nothing on them
[4:19] <Ben64> community is on it
[4:19] <SoulShadow> ew
[4:19] <Ben64> thursday nights at 8pm
[4:19] <Ben64> nbc
[4:19] <SoulShadow> that show isn't even entertaining
[4:20] <Ben64> its the best show on tv
[4:20] <sqrt[evil]> isn't it 'on hiatus' now?
[4:20] <sqrt[evil]> also doesn't anyone use OTA?
[4:20] <SoulShadow> i have cable
[4:20] <Ben64> sqrt[evil]: comes back march 15th, this thursday
[4:20] <sqrt[evil]> i get most of the live stuff i care about OTA
[4:20] <SoulShadow> like i said, there's nothing on OTA TV
[4:21] <SoulShadow> at least not that interests me
[4:21] <sqrt[evil]> everything except HBO and Showcase...
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[4:21] <sqrt[evil]> which is super expensive anyway
[4:21] <SoulShadow> gotta have my top gear
[4:21] <Ben64> anyways, streaming livetv with mythtv, possible or no?
[4:21] <SoulShadow> i have HBO
[4:21] <shirro> Funny, where I live there is nothing on cable but reruns and crap
[4:21] <sqrt[evil]> meh, i download everything that's not live, and i'm not a big sports watcher
[4:21] <[deXter]> I gave up watching TV ages ago. Youtube and torrents FTW. :P
[4:21] <SoulShadow> youtube has nothing
[4:21] <SoulShadow> lol
[4:21] <sqrt[evil]> Ben64: streaming from where?
[4:21] <Ben64> this computer (desktop)
[4:21] <[deXter]> Um, I think it has every top gear episode?
[4:22] <[deXter]> Atleast, all the good parts
[4:22] <Tobias> his computer with a PCI tuner, Ben64
[4:22] <Ben64> over 100mbit to either ras-pi or a windows computer hooked to tv
[4:22] <sqrt[evil]> oh. uhm...you could probably make it work
[4:22] <sqrt[evil]> no idea how
[4:22] <Tobias> I'd say you could make it work
[4:22] <Ben64> i never really use mythtv
[4:22] <RITRedbeard> Anyone here fondly remember X-COM: UFO Defense?
[4:22] <RITRedbeard> Probably best game of the mid 90s.
[4:23] <sqrt[evil]> best game of the mind 90s was master of orion
[4:23] <sqrt[evil]> mid*
[4:23] <RITRedbeard> I believe it was called Enemy Unknown abroad/outside america
[4:23] <RITRedbeard> Master Of Orion 2 was pretty good.
[4:23] <RITRedbeard> Except when you were in the middle of a multiplayer game and the thing crashed.
[4:23] <RITRedbeard> No saves.
[4:23] <RITRedbeard> ;_;
[4:24] <sqrt[evil]> lol, i didn't play MOO2 until years later, i don't think the original had multiplayer
[4:24] <RITRedbeard> It didn't.
[4:24] <sqrt[evil]> i think i will go play some civ4 now
[4:24] <sqrt[evil]> <3 sid meier
[4:24] <RITRedbeard> sid meier's PIRATES! Gold!
[4:24] <sqrt[evil]> i played pirates but i don't think i grokked it at the time
[4:24] <sqrt[evil]> i didn't like it as much as civ or colonization
[4:25] <RITRedbeard> ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh-ugh I surrender!
[4:25] <RITRedbeard> it was a port from another system
[4:25] <RITRedbeard> a lot of good genesis games were ports
[4:25] <sqrt[evil]> was pirates on genesis?!
[4:25] <RITRedbeard> Yep.
[4:25] <sqrt[evil]> i only played pc games
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[4:25] <sqrt[evil]> and a tiny bit of snes RPGs
[4:26] <RITRedbeard> It was ported in 16-bit graphical glory
[4:26] <sqrt[evil]> reminds me of starcraft on dreamcast
[4:26] <RITRedbeard> so was Starflight
[4:26] <sqrt[evil]> i think it was dreamcast
[4:26] <sqrt[evil]> how the hell do you use that?!
[4:26] <RITRedbeard> Very carefully.
[4:27] <mkopack> What are we discussing???
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Sega_Genesis/Snap/big/Pirates!_Gold_-_1993_-_MicroProse_Ltd..jpg
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> The classics.
[4:27] <sqrt[evil]> did they do a new pirates ever?
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> Yes.
[4:27] <mkopack> HAHA, Gold? I remember the ORIGINAL Pirates! by Sid Meier on the C64!
[4:27] <sqrt[evil]> any good?
[4:28] <RITRedbeard> They re-did pirates in about 2006?
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[4:28] <RITRedbeard> It was good, actually.
[4:28] <mkopack> Yeah, that sounds about right???
[4:28] <RITRedbeard> There was something that was tricky... maybe the sword fighting mechanic?
[4:28] <sqrt[evil]> wiki says 2004
[4:28] <mkopack> God, Sid is the originator of SOOOO many great games
[4:28] <sqrt[evil]> i kinda want to play it, but i find i can't get past the graphics from 90s games anymore
[4:28] <RITRedbeard> Oh, come on.
[4:29] <mkopack> Railroad Tycoon, Civilization, Pirates, F-15 Strike Eagle....
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> Buck up. With Raspberry Pi we're gonna have graphics from 90s games.
[4:29] <sqrt[evil]> maybe it's more about the ui mechanics...
[4:29] <mkopack> sqrt: you know the best part of those old games?
[4:29] <sqrt[evil]> i still play snes rpgs from time to time
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> My secondary interest is making the Raspberry Pi gaming platform... well, within reason.
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> I brought up X-COM because either people never heard of it or they loved every grueling second of it.
[4:29] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: did you see that video of sid doing a 24 hour gaming competition at his son's school?
[4:29] <mkopack> BECAUSE the graphics were crummy, they had to focus on the GAMEPLAY, and it forced us to use our imagination a bit
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> sqrt[evil], yeah that was cool, what is his alma mater?
[4:30] <mkopack> Oh, yeah, I didn't realize he did X-Com
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> university michigan?
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> he didn't
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> microprose did
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> :)
[4:30] <sqrt[evil]> TIL he's canadian
[4:30] <mkopack> ah
[4:30] <sqrt[evil]> michigan is right
[4:30] <mkopack> Hell I remember reading the story of how he came up with Railroad tycoon...
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[4:30] <RITRedbeard> U of M or Michigan State?
[4:31] <sqrt[evil]> u of m
[4:31] <RITRedbeard> Excellent. My memory is sharp as ever.
[4:31] <mkopack> He was sitting on a beach on vacation for 2 weeks, worked on the game design and basic conceptual code, came back and said "I have this new game concept" and everyone in the office LOVED it
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[4:31] <RITRedbeard> I asked about X-Com because there is an open source project that lets you play multiplayer against another human or AI
[4:31] <sqrt[evil]> RR tycoon is so damn hard
[4:32] <mkopack> Xcom took FOREVER to play, and I found it really frustrating
[4:32] <RITRedbeard> It's been out for a long time but last time I checked (5-6 years ago it wasn't so stable)
[4:32] <sqrt[evil]> a while back i tried to learn using freeTTD or whatever it's called
[4:32] <sqrt[evil]> never played xcom
[4:32] <RITRedbeard> but I see updates from 2010... so if anyone is interested in playing UF02000/X-Com multiplayer let me know.
[4:32] <mkopack> Oh, that's Transportation Tycoon??? similar concept, but different author and based around all kinds of transportation
[4:32] <mkopack> RRT was strictly trains, from the 1800's forward
[4:32] <sqrt[evil]> ohhh ok
[4:32] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, the tactical combat part?
[4:33] <sqrt[evil]> yeah i recall that now
[4:33] <mkopack> yeah, just drove me NUTS
[4:33] <RITRedbeard> save and save often! :)
[4:33] <RITRedbeard> or send rookies/tanks in
[4:33] <mkopack> Just took too long, and they'd always die too easy
[4:33] <piofcube> I liked Theme Hospital for laughs
[4:34] * SpeedEvil ponders the last PC game he played.
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, going on the first crash site is scary.
[4:34] <sqrt[evil]> SpeedEvil: what was it?
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> Loved the music too, all these games had great music for the most part.
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> sqrt[evil]: I'm trying to work it out.
[4:34] <sqrt[evil]> lol. the last new game i played was portal 2
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> Sort of like civilisation - but in space
[4:35] <sqrt[evil]> though i picked up HL2 for a playthrough a couple weeks ago
[4:35] <SpeedEvil> ~1999?
[4:35] <mkopack> Alpha Centauri
[4:35] <mkopack> based on the Civ game engine???
[4:35] <sqrt[evil]> ahh yes alpha centauri was great
[4:35] <sqrt[evil]> or could be one of the MOO sequels
[4:35] <RITRedbeard> Was Alpha Centauri where you could build above in space once you got the technology?
[4:35] <mkopack> I actually really REALLY liked Colonization (also based on the Civ engine)
[4:35] <RITRedbeard> That was really neat.
[4:35] <mkopack> yeah
[4:35] <piofcube> I liked the research/unit build on AlphaC
[4:35] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: me too, i liked that a lot better than civ
[4:36] <mkopack> MOO was fantastic too
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> One of the Civ games, might have been Centari payed homage to X-Com.
[4:36] <sqrt[evil]> though i don't think it's very well liked among civ fans
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> They had a custom scenario with "ships" being cities on Cydonia.
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> and special units and stuff
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> along with other scenarios as well
[4:36] <SpeedEvil> No, I don't think that was it.
[4:36] <sqrt[evil]> there's also a colonization mod pack for civ4
[4:36] <mkopack> yeah, I know, but I really liked the american rev aspect and I liked how you could specialize people in the cities for doing different things, and you had to deal with the redcoats
[4:36] <sqrt[evil]> bought that but never played it
[4:37] <RITRedbeard> civ4 was pretty good
[4:37] <sqrt[evil]> yeah civ4 is good, i still play it once in a while
[4:37] <sqrt[evil]> havent tried 5 yet
[4:37] <piofcube> setlers was pretty good also
[4:38] <sqrt[evil]> iii was kind of odd
[4:38] <RITRedbeard> I think I played about 4 or 5 games, I recall a 1v1 versus the AI, they were Japan and I played Germany/Chancellor whomever...
[4:38] <sqrt[evil]> but still fun
[4:38] <mkopack> I've heard mixed things about 5??? get it on a sale if you buy it
[4:38] <sqrt[evil]> i'm not really very good lol
[4:38] <RITRedbeard> paradropped so many Panzers per turn into my foothold bwahahaha
[4:38] <sqrt[evil]> the AI in civ4 is also pretty good
[4:38] <RITRedbeard> then the game was about to end because of the year so I said "It's ICBM time!"
[4:38] <sqrt[evil]> i heard in civ5 it doesn't cheat anymore though?
[4:39] <piofcube> I heard civ5 doesn't allow unit stacking
[4:39] <RITRedbeard> I saw pictures in civ5 you can make an archology out of a collection of cities. True or false?
[4:39] <mkopack> The key to civ 4 is get as much land under your control as early as possible. Once you're boxed in, it's tough to get out
[4:39] <RITRedbeard> unit stacking was lame part of the civ games
[4:39] <mkopack> Why? It's an ARMY it SHOULD be able to fight together
[4:40] <RITRedbeard> well, I like the fact that civ 4 had generals
[4:40] <RITRedbeard> but like having a stack of 15 legionares
[4:40] <RITRedbeard> :\
[4:40] <mkopack> I always just got pissed when f'ing Musketmen would get killed by clubmen. WTF???
[4:40] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: that strategy is best if you're unwilling to engage in early wars
[4:40] <sqrt[evil]> but i find most of the best players don't expand that quickly as it screws up your economy
[4:41] <sqrt[evil]> after watching lots of let's play videos
[4:41] <mkopack> I just hate when I'm starting out and suddenly I can't build anymore cities because the other nations have boxed me in and won't let me cross their borders...
[4:41] <mkopack> Or if they do I end up with far flung cities that are impossible to hold
[4:41] <piless> if you're playing against ai you shouldn't need to build any solders till you have axemen
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[4:41] <mkopack> I DO love the "culture bomb" though :)
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[4:41] <sqrt[evil]> that's how i played myself until i started reading about how good players play, since i realized i could only beat the AI on like the third difficulty
[4:42] <RITRedbeard> yeah, with my example of legionares, you'd just rush for good production spots, pump up research with hopefully gold spot, and your special unit is in the ancient age...
[4:42] <mkopack> Pop a great artist into a border city and watch your borders expand and overwhelm a neighbor's city :)
[4:42] <sqrt[evil]> hehe
[4:42] <sqrt[evil]> yeah
[4:42] <piless> on civ5 I turn off the free cities, or whatever they're called. they are just a pain in the ass
[4:42] <sqrt[evil]> usually more efficient to just attack them
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[4:43] <RITRedbeard> one time in civnet we were playing hotseat and a phalnax destroyed a battleship
[4:43] <mkopack> See, that just shouldn't be possible
[4:43] <RITRedbeard> it was a O_________O moment
[4:43] <sqrt[evil]> lol
[4:43] <mkopack> It shouldn't be possible for lower age to beat newer age??? the force strength should be multiplied by age
[4:43] <mkopack> or age difference
[4:43] <piless> damn you're making me want to play now
[4:44] <RITRedbeard> it probably is now
[4:44] <piless> mkopack: unless the newer age is complete idiot
[4:44] <RITRedbeard> but check out UFO2000
[4:44] <mkopack> I wish I had time to play civ??? Maybe over spring break after my final next week
[4:44] <mkopack> piless: exactly...
[4:44] <RITRedbeard> http://ufo2000.sourceforge.net/
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> What happen to the days when Honor was a thing?
[4:44] <mkopack> Actually, I need to get my butt back in gear with Battlefield3
[4:44] <mkopack> Gab?
[4:45] <piless> I wish I was in the cs:go beta
[4:45] <RITRedbeard> hehehe, how about Panzer General?
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... like life debts and stuff
[4:45] <mkopack> I hear there's a new close quarters combat for BF3
[4:45] <mkopack> Gab what's wrong? what brought that up?
[4:45] <mkopack> somebody dick ya over?
[4:45] <piless> GabrialDestruir: honour has never been a thing
[4:46] <RITRedbeard> I'm with mkopack on this one.
[4:46] * RITRedbeard scratches head.
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[4:46] <piless> people have been dicking each other over since genghis khan
[4:47] <sqrt[evil]> how 'bout TA?
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> No, just been playing Assassin's Creed... and thinking, ya know, when you save someones life these days you don't get them pledging themself to your cause or something.....
[4:47] <piless> GabrialDestruir: stop playing assassins creed then, it's shit
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
[4:48] <mkopack> Gab: here's a cookie???
[4:49] <RITRedbeard> GabrialDestruir, stab them.
[4:49] <piless> question: stormcloaks or imperials?
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sure there was a point in time when honor actually existed.... it's just not so much these days.... like there use to be gentlemen's duels and stuff too way back when, and now it's like all sorts of illegal.
[4:50] <piless> GabrialDestruir: gentlemens duels never existed
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> DC universe is free to play now?
[4:50] <sqrt[evil]> if i lived back in the days of 'honour' i would be so dead by now
[4:50] <piless> history is defined by the victors
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[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how seriously down hill DC Universe must of gone to be completely free now o.O
[4:54] <mkopack> Gab: has been for a while. They went to a pay to upgrade your shit model
[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> I only just saw it was on Steam.
[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[4:57] <sqrt[evil]> what is dc universe? some comic game?
[4:57] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[4:57] <sqrt[evil]> mmo?
[4:57] <GabrialDestruir> It's like DC universe MMO
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[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> -sighs- I wish there was another internet company around here that doesn't charge out the ass..... so my internet was actually stable.... lol
[5:03] <piless> GabrialDestruir: where are you?
[5:03] <sqrt[evil]> you only have one ISP? o.O
[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> I only have one ISP that charges decent prices....
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[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> Charter charges like 50 bucks for 5Mb/s
[5:04] <piless> Be glad you don't live in south africa, I hear that their internet is really overpriced.
[5:04] <sqrt[evil]> what do you consider decent prices?
[5:04] <sqrt[evil]> rather, what are you paying?
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> around 30 for 7Mb/s
[5:04] <piless> GabrialDestruir: unlimited?
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know.
[5:05] * SpeedEvil is stuck on 3m/s - but at least it's stable.
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> If there's a cap Verizon hasn't emailed us about it
[5:05] * piless is on mobile internet at the moment D:
[5:06] <piless> GabrialDestruir: It should be in your contact
[5:06] <sqrt[evil]> i pay like $45 or something aroudn that for 15mbps
[5:06] <sqrt[evil]> $45.99 with 300gb cap
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> Well we've never had a cap before, and I download probably over any sort of cap monthly.... so I'm assuming no cap.
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[5:07] <sqrt[evil]> i can't believe you only have two decent options though
[5:07] <sqrt[evil]> that's balls
[5:07] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Where do you live?
[5:08] <piofcube> mine works out to be about $35 for 30meg/sec and my ISP is rolling out a free upgrade to 60meg in a couple of months... Though upload is capped at 1.5meg on residential
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> 2 hours outside LA
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:08] <piless> GabrialDestruir: So where's that?
[5:09] <GabrialDestruir> Mojave, Ca
[5:09] <piless> Fallout new vegas?
[5:09] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
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[5:09] <GabrialDestruir> What about it?
[5:10] <piless> the mojave desert is the setting of fallout new vegas
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yea, but I'm pretty sure Mojave isn't actually in that game, least not the town anyways
[5:12] <piless> no time warner, comcast?
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[5:13] <piless> FiOS?
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> Hell the fastest internet out here until Verizon made 7Mb/s available was 5Mb/s, no where else provides service around here.
[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> Only real choices are Dial Up, Verizon DSL, or Charter Cable
[5:14] <sqrt[evil]> weak
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> I know right?
[5:15] <sqrt[evil]> it's pretty overpriced up here in canuckistan, but most places are served by at least two decent isps, downtown areas mostly have metro-e, and the ilecs are forced to wholesale their dsl, so there's another route
[5:15] <sqrt[evil]> i understand the situation in toronto/ottawa is pretty dire though with packet shaping and caps and that kind of crap
[5:16] <mkopack> Scared the shit outta myself tonight on the motorcycle??? was about 1/4 mile from home, doing about 50, dark out, and I see something running out into the road??? thought maybe it was a cat....
[5:16] <mkopack> Scared the shit outta myself tonight on the motorcycle??? was about 1/4 mile from home, doing about 50, dark out, and I see something running out into the road??? thought maybe it was a cat???.
[5:16] <mkopack> Nope,??? BIG FRICKIN OPOSSUM!
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[5:16] <mkopack> Missed it by like 2"...
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[5:16] <mkopack> That would have been a serious mess???.and that's assuming I didn't wreck after hitting it
[5:17] <mkopack> I was so close if I had stuck my foot out I could have kicked it
[5:17] <piless> mkopack: are these the cute opossums you get in australia or the fucking ugly things they get in america?
[5:17] <sqrt[evil]> had a coworker a couple years ago that hit a deer on a motorbike
[5:17] <sqrt[evil]> he got out with some bad road rash
[5:17] <sqrt[evil]> and quite a bit of damage to the fairings of his bike
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> I thought they were packet shaping me, and claiming "congestion" but then I started doing speedtest with the open wifi around here, and the neighbors who normally get 3Mb/s were only get less than 1Mb/s
[5:18] <sqrt[evil]> i haven't really had cause to bitch about my internet service in a long time
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[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> But I don't see why it should take them 3 months to change a circuit.
[5:19] <mkopack> american variety
[5:19] <piless> GabrialDestruir: move to a smaller country
[5:19] <mkopack> big with huge teeth and ugly rat tale
[5:20] <piless> I think romanians get 100mbit
[5:20] <sqrt[evil]> GabrialDestruir: they can't be arsed because they know there's no competition
[5:20] <sqrt[evil]> capitalism at work
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[5:20] <piless> GabrialDestruir: drive to their hq and take a shit on their doorstep
[5:20] <sqrt[evil]> it's kind of ironic that the developing countries with crappy infrastructure are ending up way ahead because we can't be arsed to spend the money on modernizing our 150 year old networks
[5:21] <GabrialDestruir> They claimed they'd have it fixed by the end of Q1 and supposedly their "fix" will offer a whole 15Mb/s
[5:21] <piless> that'll teach them to fuck with GabrialDestruir
[5:21] <sqrt[evil]> i really think we need to just treat the data network like we treat the water, gas or electric systems in most areas
[5:21] <GabrialDestruir> Well....
[5:21] <piless> is Q1 over yet?
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> in that case I'm screwed there too
[5:22] <sqrt[evil]> piless: they have like 2 weeks
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[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> Around here, they only ever fix the water or electric systems when they fail
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[5:23] <sqrt[evil]> lol i mean more that it should be managed as public infrastructure
[5:23] <sqrt[evil]> with any isp or service company able to gain access to customers through it
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> As opposed to completely overhauling them to be more stable
[5:24] <sqrt[evil]> basically spend a few $bn on rolling out FTTH country wide
[5:24] <sqrt[evil]> and allow ISPs or whoever to hook up to the network and sell internet access or tv or whatever to people
[5:25] <mkopack> the problem is that in the US, it's such a large area to upgrade, and there's huge areas where the population density is so low that you'll never get enough people using the service in the area to cover the cost of installing it
[5:25] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, obviously the cityfolk will be subsidizing the country folk
[5:25] <mkopack> That's why these little countries where the population is all clustered in like 3-4 big cities can upgrade all the time
[5:25] <sqrt[evil]> the same thing was done to roll out country wide pots
[5:26] <mkopack> sqrt: and that took DECADES
[5:26] <sqrt[evil]> except that the money was basically given for free to the ILECs
[5:26] <sqrt[evil]> indeed
[5:26] <piofcube> There's some places up in the northern parts of scotland that only recently got wired up for electric
[5:26] <sqrt[evil]> which is why we need to start now
[5:26] <mkopack> hell, my aunt's house in rural PA still had a PARTY line phone with everyone else on their road until I was like 10??? that was 1983!
[5:26] <sqrt[evil]> except this time not throw the money away at a corporation and manage it like public infrastructure
[5:27] <sqrt[evil]> anyway, not going to happen
[5:27] <mkopack> And what happens when the tech changes in 5 years and what you've spent BILLIONS on installing is out of date?
[5:27] <sqrt[evil]> the industry is too big and has too many politicians in its pockets
[5:27] <mkopack> you're in the us, right?
[5:27] <piless> sqrt[evil]: fucking lobbying
[5:27] <sqrt[evil]> canada
[5:27] <mkopack> ah
[5:27] <mkopack> ok, 51st state :)
[5:27] <piless> NO
[5:28] <mkopack> but basically it works the same as here...
[5:28] <piless> uk is the 51st state
[5:28] <shirro> I will be an old man by the time NBN fibre rolls past. And we still won't have Hulu or Netflix and iTunes will still be twice the price of US.
[5:28] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: you roll out FTTH, which i think has the capacity to do us for the foreseeable future
[5:28] <mkopack> Gov can't do it, so they give incentives to the private companies to do it
[5:28] <sqrt[evil]> i don't see a new 'killer app' for > gbps of data
[5:28] <sqrt[evil]> and if one comes, it should be possible to carry it on the fiber with relatively little investment
[5:28] <mkopack> problem is, they only want to do it where they can sell enough service to make money doing it
[5:28] <sqrt[evil]> the problem is that we're still using 150 year old last mile cabling
[5:28] <sqrt[evil]> so every technological improvement is relatively minimal due to it having to overcome those limitations
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[5:29] <shirro> The copper is rotting. Replace it while times are good.
[5:30] <mkopack> Heck, considering the price of the stuff now, and how much people keep stealing it (yes, STEALING copper wiring out of street lamps, and such), the sooner we get away from it the better
[5:30] <sqrt[evil]> lol yes
[5:31] <mkopack> Bastards stole the wiring from all the lights in the local park, so what happens? My TAXES go up to pay to replace it??? THANKS! JERSK
[5:31] <piless> mkopack: people are stealing memorial statues for the scrap in my country
[5:31] <sqrt[evil]> personally i think the governance issues are more important than the technology ones
[5:32] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: read an article in a local paper that the cost of copper theft in one of the suburbs here (pop ~400k) was 1.1 million last year
[5:32] <piofcube> There was a trend of that around here a little while ago but they were stealing fibre-optic by mistake... Just messed up the internet until word got round that they could sell it for scrap metal
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[5:32] <piofcube> couldn't**
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> Perhaps, but if they focused on technology
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> and getting everyone decent stable interwebz.....
[5:32] <mkopack> yeah??? and it's not just the cost of the copper but the manpower to reinstall it
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> people get distracted
[5:32] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, that'd be great from a 'keep the economy from tanking in 20 years' standpoint
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[5:33] <sqrt[evil]> mkopack: that cost was including repair
[5:33] <mkopack> right
[5:33] <sqrt[evil]> but still i was shocked it was on that order
[5:33] <mkopack> anyhow, I need to hit the sack??? HEre's to hoping we get some good news on Pi day!
[5:33] <sqrt[evil]> i would have expected a 100,000 or something
[5:33] <mkopack> (like RPi's SHIPPING!)
[5:33] <sqrt[evil]> lol goodnight
[5:33] <sqrt[evil]> i should go play civ4
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[5:34] <piofcube> I thought some in here would be WOW players LOL
[5:34] <hotwings> [21:27:17] <piless> uk is the 51st state <-- i think you mean mexico, or guam, or puerto rico, or cuba :)
[5:34] <sqrt[evil]> i played WoW for a few months like 4 years ago
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[5:48] <DaQatz> Be that the ires of March strike thee.
[5:50] <Syliss> I'm not holding my breath
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[6:31] <echo9> Hey fellas :)
[6:33] <Scott_S> Ohai.
[6:33] <echo9> Ssup
[6:33] <echo9> Any updates regarding pi?
[6:35] <Ben64> still 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609433057270365759591953092186117
[6:35] <Ben64> 38193261179310511854807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244065664308602139494639522473719070217986094370277053921717629317675238467481846766940513200056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892354201995611212902196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134999999837297804995105973173281609631859502445945534690830264252230825334468503526193118817101000313783875
[6:35] <Ben64> 28865875332083814206171776691473035982534904287554687311595628638823537875937519577818577805321712268066130019278766111959092164201989
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[6:35] <Ben64> i broke him :(
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[6:38] <Scott_S> Good job, Ben.
[6:38] <Scott_S> Good job.
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[6:39] <Scott_S> .. Oh, I revived him.
[6:39] <Ben64> : /
[6:39] * Scott_S used his sorcery on echo9.
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[6:40] <Ben64> its super effective?
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[6:42] <echo9> Hi all
[6:43] <echo9> Sorry i got disconnected earlier
[6:43] <echo9> Stupid gprs connection
[6:44] <echo9> Wow 343 and not a single person here
[6:44] <Ben64> 344
[6:45] <echo9> Um yeah :D
[6:45] <echo9> Ssup
[6:47] <echo9> You there bro?
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[6:47] <Ben64> i'm not your bro, guy
[6:48] <echo9> Well its custom / SOP here on the www
[6:49] <Ben64> not really
[6:49] <echo9> Ohk..how abt pal? :p
[6:49] <echo9> Pi pal?
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[6:49] <Ben64> nah
[6:50] <echo9> Then. .u suggest
[6:50] <echo9> Btw i was just being nice
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[6:51] <sqrt[evil]> lol
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[6:58] <shirro> The picture RS tweeted of someone "testing" a Pi. Was that one of the 10,000 or a beta?
[6:59] <shirro> I am still not sure how you identify the versions
[7:00] <Ben64> well the 10k don't exist yet
[7:01] <sqrt[evil]> don't work yet ;P
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[7:04] <Scott_S> They do, they're just in production. D=
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[7:05] <shirro> It has different coloured connectors and different screen printing compared to pictures of a beta
[7:05] <shirro> beta(?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raspberry_Pi_Beta_Board.jpg
[7:05] <Scott_S> Perhaps a... Omega!?
[7:06] <shirro> rs board: http://ow.ly/i/vs0e/original
[7:06] <Scott_S> I'm contemplating learning repackaging of TinyCore and turning it into a relatively cheap NAS Box...
[7:07] <Scott_S> .. Erm, forgot, TinyCore isn't ARM compatible.
[7:08] <sqrt[evil]> well you could go to the trouble, but it probably won't perform any better than a $30 router with usb and openwrt
[7:08] <sqrt[evil]> and will perform worse than a $50 nas box
[7:08] <sqrt[evil]> both of which come with cases and psus
[7:08] <Scott_S> True, but it would be the learning factor.
[7:08] <sqrt[evil]> try and port freenas :P
[7:08] <shirro> Wouldn't mind seeing the flip side if it is a production board to see how neat the resolder of the connector was.
[7:09] <sqrt[evil]> it actually might be easier...
[7:09] <sqrt[evil]> freebsd is quite source oriented
[7:09] <Scott_S> See, I wonder if they'll package a version with a more powerful processor and maybe 512MB of memory.
[7:09] <Scott_S> Increase the price to a $50 version or something, for more demanding things.
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[7:10] <sqrt[evil]> someone else will likely do just that in the next few months
[7:10] <sqrt[evil]> my money is on TI
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[7:10] <sqrt[evil]> maybe they will just cut the price of beaglebone some
[7:11] <shirro> The whole netbook craze came out of Intel being spooked by OLPC
[7:11] <Syliss> some netbooks are decent, when hackintoshed
[7:12] <Scott_S> I'm looking forward to the more powerful GPUs in the next Atoms.
[7:12] <sqrt[evil]> ew no, don't ruin them
[7:12] <Scott_S> As much as I hate the low powered Atoms, they're nice for portability.
[7:12] <sqrt[evil]> had to reinstall xp on a first generation netbook with the 8gb 'ssd' yesterday
[7:12] <sqrt[evil]> installing ie8 took over 2 hours
[7:12] <Syliss> oh shush sqrt[evil] hackintosh is a cheap way
[7:13] <Scott_S> That 'SSD' is probably just a USB thumb drive with a SATA converter. <_<
[7:13] <sqrt[evil]> i am not a fan of apple. nor do i like their os, and using it on non-sanctioned hardware, like jailbreaking their devices just legitimizes their asshole behaviour
[7:13] <sqrt[evil]> Scott_S: it's actually got an IDE interface, but yeah it's slow as hell
[7:13] <Syliss> i still want to get my wife a netbook
[7:13] <sqrt[evil]> i put 4 hours into it
[7:13] <Scott_S> You know, I have to disagree. I love Apple's OS, but I dislike the lack of support for the applications I want to use.
[7:14] <sqrt[evil]> i find it hilarious
[7:14] <Scott_S> Other than that, I would use Mac 24/7 if it had the support.
[7:14] <sqrt[evil]> the guy paid me for 4 hours time, which is probably about what the laptop was worth in 2008 when he bought it
[7:14] <sqrt[evil]> netbook*
[7:14] <sqrt[evil]> osx window management is awful, and it's not at all customizable
[7:14] <sqrt[evil]> just use linux
[7:14] <Scott_S> Syliss, wait a while. With the new Atoms coming out relatively soon and everything, or perhaps more powerful ARM chips, it might be a good idea to wait.
[7:15] <Fragmint> blah
[7:15] <Syliss> i use my mbp everyday and i don't use win or linux anymore
[7:15] <Fragmint> the low end ADM APU's stomp the atom
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[7:15] <Fragmint> *AMD
[7:15] <sqrt[evil]> does the netbook product line really exist seriously anymore?
[7:15] <Scott_S> Heck, it might be better to spend the cash on a cheap SB i3 notebook.
[7:15] <sqrt[evil]> i don't see anyone buying them
[7:15] <Syliss> Scott_S: i don't want to buy a new one
[7:15] <Syliss> I'm super poor atm
[7:15] <Scott_S> Depends on where you're talking, Fragmint. Atom D525 trumps the E450, but the onboard GPU is a big difference for people.
[7:15] <Syliss> i may have to pay 30k in medical bills cause i broke my leg
[7:16] <sqrt[evil]> o.O oh america.
[7:16] <Scott_S> <_< I'm Canadian.
[7:16] <Syliss> yep
[7:16] <Syliss> im in california
[7:16] <sqrt[evil]> oh yeah i do see people buying 15" E350 'laptops'
[7:16] <Scott_S> Sorry to hear that though, hope you recover
[7:16] <sqrt[evil]> yeah man that's brutal
[7:16] <Syliss> I'm trying
[7:16] <Scott_S> ^ You mean trashtops?
[7:16] <Fragmint> =(
[7:16] <Fragmint> I'm currently using an e350 laptop, I love this thing.
[7:16] <sqrt[evil]> Scott_S: i suppose that's what you could call them. i hate when people buy them, they just bitch and whine.
[7:16] <sqrt[evil]> and i don't blame them
[7:17] <Scott_S> They're great for HTPCs, and netbooks.
[7:17] <Scott_S> But they're semi overpriced for netbooks.
[7:17] <sqrt[evil]> i get so mad at my stupid clients sometimes. they whine to no end about how much their $400 laptop sucks balls.
[7:17] <sqrt[evil]> next week they buy a mac and expect me to spend hours installing vmware and windows for them
[7:17] <Scott_S> sqrt[evil]: $450 for an i3-2310M laptop. Things are awesome.
[7:18] <sqrt[evil]> take your $1200, go to thinkpad.com and buy something
[7:18] <Syliss> sqrt[evil]: tell them to do it themselves?
[7:18] <Scott_S> Syliss: I think it's his job.
[7:18] <Syliss> dont care
[7:18] <Scott_S> Less money for him if he does.
[7:18] <sqrt[evil]> i could, and often do since it's becoming much more common
[7:18] <Syliss> if its his job, then do it
[7:18] <Syliss> don't bitch cause ur getting paid
[7:18] <Scott_S> Urgh. I still need to get my CompTIA A+. ._.
[7:18] <Syliss> a+ is boring
[7:19] <sqrt[evil]> i bitch because people are so annoying, and apple plays right into their hands
[7:19] <Scott_S> Hey, I just want the certification.. As much as knowing your way around a computer is awesome, people don't care unless they see the paper.
[7:19] <sqrt[evil]> get a cert worth something at least
[7:19] <Syliss> i love my macbook pro, i will not buy another win machine anytime soon
[7:19] <Syliss> but i got it free so I'm just crazy
[7:19] <Fragmint> yeah, its not like an A+ really gets you anywhere
[7:19] <Scott_S> I'm getting my CCNA asap, but hey, being 18 I'm just breaking into the industry.
[7:20] <sqrt[evil]> i got ccna in highschool
[7:20] <sqrt[evil]> it's worthwhile, though i haven't maintained it
[7:20] <sqrt[evil]> i should probably renew it, i'm getting fed up with this job
[7:20] <Scott_S> Yeah, it's offered through the people I'm getting my course through right now.
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[7:20] <sqrt[evil]> if you take the time to get ccnp i've heard it's pretty easy to get a decent job with it
[7:21] <Scott_S> Although, since you're saying A+ isn't too useful, what do you recommend?
[7:21] <sqrt[evil]> ccies get paid.
[7:21] <sqrt[evil]> depends what you want to do. i'd say a+ isn't worth much, i would hope that most people hiring for that sort of job will consider it on par with 'i fart aroudn with computers in my spare time'
[7:22] <Scott_S> Hah, yeah. I definitely do know my way around troubleshooting windows and properly installing/maintaining a PC.
[7:22] <sqrt[evil]> mcse is probably worth the time as far as your career goes, if you want to get into small business stuff or support/maintenance at a larger company
[7:23] <Ben64> mcse is too windowsy
[7:23] <Scott_S> MCSE? Haven't heard of that one, I'm afraid. I'm barely out of highschool, and I mostly toy with CentOS/Ubuntu for servres.
[7:23] <Scott_S> servers **
[7:23] <sqrt[evil]> RedHat has RHCE, i don't know much about it but if you want to stay on the linux side it might be worth it
[7:23] <Syliss> centos is great for servers
[7:23] <sqrt[evil]> linux guys, at least around here, are pretty in demand
[7:24] <Syliss> sqrt[evil]: where is here?
[7:24] <sqrt[evil]> vancouver
[7:24] <sqrt[evil]> lots of startups
[7:24] <Scott_S> Well yeah, if a company can save cash with not dishing out for Windows, they'll go Linux.
[7:24] <Ben64> linux is better too
[7:24] <Syliss> i want to move to washington so bad, seattle area
[7:24] <Scott_S> CentOS appears to be a main one though, although Fedora obviously has Enterprise versions (iirc, at least)
[7:24] <Ben64> a lot of stuff is moving towards ubuntu server
[7:24] <sqrt[evil]> centos is an open version of RHCE
[7:24] <sqrt[evil]> er RHEL
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> debian >> * for servers imo
[7:25] <Ben64> i can't stand rpm/yum
[7:25] <Syliss> i haven't used red hat in years
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> ^^
[7:25] <Scott_S> Yeah, I definitely have to agree, I much prefer aptitude to yum/rpm.
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> since i started using debian i haven't looked back
[7:25] <Syliss> i don't mind rpm, but yeah
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> i went redhat -> freebsd -> debian
[7:25] <Scott_S> .. Erm, deb, sorry. Aptitude just being the manager.
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> around 2003 or so
[7:25] <sqrt[evil]> and haven't switched since
[7:26] <Syliss> I'm like debian, I'm not a fan of ubuntu
[7:26] <sqrt[evil]> don't see the point of ubuntu server, it's just a less stable debian
[7:26] <Scott_S> Haha, I only really got into it in 2010, so I don't know as much as I think I do.
[7:26] <Scott_S> All I know is that CentOS -> Performance, and Ubuntu -> User friendliness.
[7:26] <sqrt[evil]> i only do pretty small-time stuff, but i know my way around
[7:27] <Fragmint> anyone around here have experience with nexenta?
[7:27] <Syliss> i remember when ubuntu would ship cds from europe, was fun to get 10 cds randomly
[7:27] <sqrt[evil]> lol yeah, i have some of those laying around from like ubuntu 6 or something
[7:27] <Scott_S> I think that's why they don't do it anymore, Syliss. <_<
[7:27] <Syliss> Scott_S: its been more then 5 years
[7:27] <sqrt[evil]> Fragmint: is that the solaris-based storage thing?
[7:27] <Fragmint> si
[7:28] <sqrt[evil]> then no
[7:28] <Ben64> ubuntu has much more predictable releases than debian
[7:28] <Syliss> 7 years ago
[7:28] <Syliss> Ben64: because its every 6 months
[7:28] <Scott_S> Yeah, that's one thing nice about ubuntu. 10.04 -> 10.10, then 11.04 -> 11.10, etc.
[7:28] <Ben64> thats pretty much my point :D
[7:28] <sqrt[evil]> LTS every 12 months i guess?
[7:29] <Scott_S> Erm, they haven't had an LTS since 10.04.
[7:29] <sqrt[evil]> for a server though i think i prefer the debian model of 'well release it when its stable'
[7:29] <Ben64> 24 months for LTS
[7:29] <Scott_S> They've had... I think 3 revisions of 10.04 now?
[7:29] <Scott_S> I do like Ubuntu though, for desktops at least. Although I would LOVE if they gave you the decision between Unity and Gnome/LXDE by defaul.
[7:30] <sqrt[evil]> tbh the kernel devs and debian maintainers don't seem to like the canonical guys much and think they're a bit of a leech on the community
[7:30] <sqrt[evil]> that factors into a bit for me as well
[7:30] <Ben64> [citation needed]
[7:30] <Scott_S> Well, Canonical does seem to be going mainstream, so it's understandable. I mean, it's obvious they're going to charge something, sometime.
[7:30] <sqrt[evil]> just an impression i get, hang around the mailing lists or watch some of the google talks by kernel devs
[7:31] <sqrt[evil]> it's not the money, just that they like to take things off in their own direction and either don't make an effort to collaborate with upstream, or don't make any effort to send their work back upstream
[7:32] <Scott_S> Yeah, that would do it too.
[7:32] <Scott_S> Essentially, there's Linux, then there's Ubuntu at this point.
[7:32] <sqrt[evil]> one of the talks, the guy came up with a list of committers to the kernel, and only one of canonicals guys was in the top 200 or something like that, while redhat and novell made up like half of it
[7:33] <sqrt[evil]> numbers pulled out of my ass, but you get the idea
[7:33] <Scott_S> Well I think Ubuntu puts more work into the actual interfaces and such.
[7:33] <Scott_S> .. canonical, sorry.
[7:33] <sqrt[evil]> yah, not saying i have anything against them, i just kinda see what they're talkign about, they like to do their own thing
[7:33] <Ben64> well i heard from a guy that saw it scribbled on a wall in downtown brooklyn that linus loves ubuntu
[7:33] <Scott_S> Yeah. Well, maybe that'll change. Maybe.
[7:33] * sqrt[evil] shrugs
[7:34] <sqrt[evil]> the beauty of free software is the fork
[7:34] <Syliss> they take gnome and run
[7:34] <sqrt[evil]> see XFree86, or more recently LibreOffice
[7:34] <sqrt[evil]> who knwos wtf is going on at MySQL
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[7:34] <Scott_S> Gotta love MySQL though, and Apache.
[7:35] <sqrt[evil]> as a properly educated computer scientist, i can't stand mysql
[7:35] <sqrt[evil]> postgres is much better
[7:35] <Scott_S> If it weren't for them, Linux wouldn't be as successful as it is. Or, not -as- successful at least.
[7:35] <Syliss> idk about that
[7:35] <sqrt[evil]> its' kind of interesting actually, the success of php and mysql is basically down to being in the right place at the right time
[7:35] <Syliss> php is starting to get phased out
[7:36] <Scott_S> Really? I actually haven't noticed that. ._.
[7:36] <sqrt[evil]> i wouldn't say that, but people are starting to take alternatives more seriously
[7:36] <Scott_S> ( Then again, I'm 18, I don't know shit about shit. )
[7:36] <Syliss> from what i hear, a lot of start-ups are bypassing it
[7:36] <sqrt[evil]> in the past few years
[7:36] <Fragmint> I'm angry noone uses delphi anymore
[7:36] <Scott_S> I'm interested to see what HTML5 brings in the future.
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[7:37] <sqrt[evil]> it's not nearly the mess it used to be, but there are still much nicer things to use. hard to argue with the available talent and userbase on php though.
[7:37] <Syliss> html5 is what I need to learn while I'm broken
[7:38] <sqrt[evil]> there's not that much uncharted territory in html5 i don't think. some stuff that needs tighter standards. and 3d.
[7:38] <Scott_S> I need to get my butt in gear and get some certifications, lol. CCNA is top priority, will have to look into MCSE
[7:38] <sqrt[evil]> are you planning to go to college/uni/trade school?
[7:38] <sqrt[evil]> or you gonna try the cert route?
[7:39] <Scott_S> Going to go cert. route. I'm engaged to someone at this point (Just last month, actually) and we're planning on moving out in Octo.
[7:39] <sqrt[evil]> congrats
[7:39] <Scott_S> Haha, thanks. It was about time, 3 1/2 years together, didn't surprise either set of parents.
[7:39] <Syliss> wow, ur 18 and enggaged?
[7:40] <sqrt[evil]> the thing with certs is that some people (me) think they're meaningless, and others think they're essential and won't interview you without them
[7:40] <Scott_S> Yup. As much as some people think it's too early, it's hard to not get engaged to a childhood friend.
[7:40] <sqrt[evil]> ime the latter are usually large companies
[7:40] <Scott_S> See, I have the belief that certifications can get you far, Tech. Institutions just give you a good push with apprenticeships.
[7:41] <sqrt[evil]> yup, it's all about the experience at the end of the day
[7:41] <sqrt[evil]> but if you go for certs, i think most of your career will probably be working for '
[7:41] <sqrt[evil]> 'the man'
[7:41] <Scott_S> Meh, I don't really care who I work for, as long as I'm doing what I like to do.
[7:41] <Syliss> if i could get enough money i may go back to college
[7:41] <Scott_S> And considering the relatively high amount of experience I already have in technology, I don't think doing that would be very hard.
[7:42] <sqrt[evil]> then certs are probably the quick way to a decent job, if you can pull it off in the interview
[7:42] <sqrt[evil]> try and get some volunteer experience in the field, not sure how easy that is these days
[7:42] <Ben64> you could get a job at best buy : /
[7:43] <sqrt[evil]> best buy wouldn't hire because i told them i wouldn't rat out a coworker smoking pot after work
[7:43] <Scott_S> Well, there's always jobs available, it's a growing industry and workers are generally always required for that lol
[7:43] <sqrt[evil]> true story
[7:43] <Scott_S> .. Funny story here, Fianc? has a friend in the states, was turned away from Wal-Mart because he was "over-qualified"
[7:43] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, they don't want people that are giong to get disgruntled and quit in 2 weeks
[7:44] <Scott_S> Haha, yeah. The guy's a computer technician, has a few cert's, apparently not allowed to have them working there. xD
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[7:45] <sqrt[evil]> i've got an aunt that works at walmart
[7:45] <Scott_S> Oh hey, so.. MCSE is essentially the microsoft version of CCNA, just says you can work your way around it and set stuff up. At least, if I'm reading this right.
[7:45] <sqrt[evil]> it sucks.
[7:45] <Ben64> i was working at bestbuy when i was 18
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[7:45] <Ben64> doing computer sales
[7:45] <Scott_S> Urgh, I couldn't do that.
[7:45] <Ben64> they wouldn't let me join the geek squad because i wasn't a good enough salesman
[7:45] <Ben64> doesn't that sound silly?
[7:45] <Scott_S> I'd rather go work at NCIX, at least I already know a good # of employees there.
[7:46] <sqrt[evil]> Ben64: lol.
[7:46] <Scott_S> .. Geek Squad. ;Shudder.
[7:46] <sqrt[evil]> i guess geek squad is all abuot upselling
[7:46] <Ben64> it really is
[7:46] <sqrt[evil]> Scott_S: they were hiring last time i was in...
[7:46] <Ben64> they used to pay ~$12-16/hr when i was working there, now i hear they pay around $9
[7:46] <Scott_S> I live in the Valley, I'm in a 4000 pop. town. <_<; I'd have to move out there to work there.
[7:47] <sqrt[evil]> yikes
[7:47] <sqrt[evil]> probably hard to find a tech job in such a place
[7:47] <sqrt[evil]> unless you want to be the town's fixit guy
[7:47] <Scott_S> Hence the requirement of moving to find the job. Then again, remote jobs are widely available, almost had a job at NuclearFallout a few months back.
[7:48] <Scott_S> ( Then again, being a busy as **** highschool student wasn't good on the resum?. )
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[7:49] <MBS> <sqrt[evil]> i guess best buy is all abuot upselling
[7:49] <MBS> fixed
[7:49] <sqrt[evil]> that said, being that fixit guy can be pretty lucrative if you can be arsed with the business side of things
[7:49] <sqrt[evil]> MBS: haha true
[7:49] <Ben64> i'm a fixit guy on the side
[7:49] <Ben64> have a "real" job too
[7:49] <MBS> i need to find a job, but thats a reason its hard for me
[7:49] <Syliss> i hate where i live, there are 30,000 pop but most jobs are either min wage or medical
[7:49] <Ben64> real job is mindlessly easy, pays as such
[7:50] <sqrt[evil]> Ben64: i'm basically a tech jack of all trades for small businesses, which means i take a lot of fixit jobs just to be nice to my clients.
[7:50] <Ben64> tech job pays $75/hr
[7:50] <Scott_S> Well, I do that already. Essentially have the word out in the town that if they have a comp. issue to give me a shout, pay $50 and I'll fix it for you.
[7:50] <MBS> dont want to do fast food, and would hate trying to always have to sell stuff to people, stupid stuff like warrenties and magazine subscriptions
[7:50] <Ben64> Scott_S: $50 flat rate? :|
[7:50] <Syliss> Ben64: my medical got denied cause i 'made too much'
[7:50] <sqrt[evil]> yeah don't work flat rate
[7:50] <Scott_S> No, that's just what they gave me lol.
[7:50] <MBS> and not even getting a commission, lol
[7:50] <Ben64> $75/hr
[7:50] <Ben64> you gotta get paid for real work
[7:50] <MBS> hoping i can get an IT internship or 2 before i graduate though
[7:51] <MBS> then move to seattle next summer
[7:51] <Scott_S> Nah, hard to charge that to people I actually know.
[7:51] <sqrt[evil]> MBS: you work at BB now?
[7:51] <MBS> no
[7:51] <MBS> saying i need a job though, lol
[7:51] <Ben64> bestbuy isn't a bad job for a short time
[7:51] <sqrt[evil]> Scott_S: charge $75/hr, give them a friend discount
[7:51] <Ben64> i have friend discounts, also hot chick discounts
[7:51] <Scott_S> sqrt[evil]: I could do that if business was more than a job/month.
[7:52] <MBS> if i can get an internship though that would be awesome
[7:52] <MBS> need stuff to pad my resume anyway, lol
[7:52] <sqrt[evil]> well that's what i mean, you cuold cultivate it, go to local businesses and stuff, but it's a pain in the ass
[7:52] <sqrt[evil]> which is why i work for another guy and get paid half as much as i could be
[7:52] <sqrt[evil]> but i don't have to deal with client BS
[7:52] <MBS> just hoping i can get a decent tech job in seattle, estimate will need a starting salary of at least like 45k for me to able to pay off student loans in like 3-5 years
[7:52] <Scott_S> Yeah. Well, I'm sure I'll figure something out. Anyways, I've gotta head outta here, stuff to do in the morning.
[7:53] <sqrt[evil]> cheers, good luck
[7:53] <Scott_S> sqrt[evil], thanks for the advice, hope to give ya' a shout some other time.
[7:53] <sqrt[evil]> MBS: what are you studying? CS?
[7:53] <MBS> management information systems
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[7:53] <MBS> too bad at math for CS, lol
[7:53] <sqrt[evil]> lol
[7:53] <MBS> well actually as of friday im a management major, and will probably just have an MIS minor
[7:54] <MBS> cuz they are ending MIS, and making a new major in computer science department called informatics
[7:54] <sqrt[evil]> where are you living now that you won't get a job with those credentials?
[7:54] <MBS> meh not saying i cant get a job down here
[7:54] <MBS> just dont want to live in louisiana
[7:54] <sqrt[evil]> fair enough
[7:55] <MBS> they wanted to get rid of 2 majors that had their own departments to themselves, i guess
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[7:55] <sqrt[evil]> i started in IS, can't remember what it was called, when i went to college
[7:55] <sqrt[evil]> was bored to tears and moved to CS
[7:55] <MBS> technically could have graduated in MIS, but would need to get 3 overrides over the next 2 semesters, and have no schedule conflicts at all, which is too much of a gamble imo
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[7:56] <MBS> management with MIS minor is same exact number of hours remaining and should be alot easier to do
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[7:56] <sqrt[evil]> interesting that there's so mcuh intersection
[7:56] <Ben64> you should move to a cooler state
[7:56] <sqrt[evil]> he wants to :P
[7:56] <MBS> thats why im moving
[7:56] <Ben64> west coast = best coast
[7:56] <sqrt[evil]> s/he
[7:56] <MBS> literally, cooler
[7:56] <MBS> hate the heat and humidity
[7:56] <Ben64> where you wanting to go?
[7:57] <MBS> seattle
[7:57] <Syliss> me too
[7:57] <Ben64> so much seattle
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[7:57] <MBS> pretty much though, anyone who was above a sophmore when they announced they were ending major got screwed over, informatics seems like a nice major, but in my case, would have added probably at least 3 more semesters (im already taking 5 years, lol)
[7:57] <sqrt[evil]> kinda same thing happened to me, there was low enrollment in CS at the time
[7:58] <sqrt[evil]> so classes kept getting cancelled due to only like 5 students being that far in the program
[7:58] <sqrt[evil]> it was retarded
[7:58] <MBS> lol
[7:58] <Ben64> i took CCNA in high school, my class was the last they had
[7:58] <SoulShadow> we have super low enrollment in CS Right now
[7:58] <SoulShadow> it sucks
[7:58] <sqrt[evil]> and of course lots of the high level classes were only offered one semester a year...
[7:59] <MBS> i need to try and get some certifications this summer
[7:59] <MBS> not sure what i want to get though, lol
[7:59] <sqrt[evil]> basically me and a couple of the others got together with our friends that weren't that far in the program, and some of the profs, and we'd all enroll and those guys would get special exceptions. then drop the class.
[7:59] <Ben64> the only thing that sucks is that certifications are expensive
[8:00] <sqrt[evil]> the other thing about them is they really try hard to vendor-ify them
[8:00] <MBS> probably CCNA for sure, N+ and A+ would be nice i guess, but i know alot of people look down upon them, but that they might help for certain HR departments
[8:00] <sqrt[evil]> so you have to learn all the vendor-specific names for things
[8:00] <MBS> some security ones would be nice, but would have to learn it first, lol
[8:01] <sqrt[evil]> and then they'll throw in a bunch of weird ones that don't make a lot of sense and are basically marketing bizness
[8:01] <sqrt[evil]> at least for CCNA, and when i did it
[8:01] <Ben64> whats good is no more isdn on the ccna test
[8:01] <sqrt[evil]> i hope they got rid of the old serial stuff too
[8:02] <sqrt[evil]> and added ipv6 and ipsec?
[8:02] <Ben64> idk, i don't have access to the curriculum anymore :(
[8:02] <MBS> MSITP is too expensive for me right now, but might do a couple of the individual certs, red hat CSA would be nice, but would have to learn SELinux and active directory stuff more, alone with access control and encryption
[8:02] <sqrt[evil]> is CSA a new cert?
[8:03] <sqrt[evil]> i've only heard of RHCE
[8:03] <Ben64> theres all kinds of certs
[8:03] <Ben64> linux+
[8:03] <MBS> RHCE is above RHCSA
[8:03] <sqrt[evil]> ahh i see
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> need debian certs :P
[8:04] <MBS> An RHCE? certification is earned by a Red Hat? Certified System Administrator (RHCSA) who has demonstrated the knowledge, skill, and ability required of a senior system administrator responsible for Red Hat Enterprise Linux? systems
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> i actually interviewed at a place that used SLES
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> er SLED
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> i think
[8:04] <MBS> personally i dont care much about vender specific certs, but would be nice to have a linux one that isnt Linux+, lol
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> yeah SLES
[8:04] <sqrt[evil]> was kinda surprised
[8:05] <sqrt[evil]> never heard of anyone using it before lol
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[8:05] <MBS> also, do companies care about you getting recertified after you are hired, or getting recertified for the more common certs?
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[8:06] <sqrt[evil]> i think they will onyl care if they want to say to clients 'our engineers are all CCNA/MCSE/whatever'
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[8:06] <sqrt[evil]> so if they're in that business, yeah they will
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[8:08] <MBS> because dont imagine that if they have A+ on requirements, that they care too much if its expired (esp since it used to be forever anyway, lol)
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[8:09] <MBS> i mean cant use the logos afterwards, but who would put an A+ logo anyway
[8:09] <sqrt[evil]> lots of contract guys puts those kind of logos on everything
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[8:11] <Syliss> cause they suck
[8:11] <sqrt[evil]> cause the PHBs need them
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[9:30] <Mowee> Morning
[9:31] <drazyl> morning
[9:32] <hotwings> 1:30am here
[9:32] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
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[9:45] <RaTTuS> any reason why
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[9:46] <IT_Sean> I'm trying to rearrange my airline reservations, and both the UAL website and telephone number are irritatingly useless.
[9:47] <IT_Sean> I cannot change my ticket resrvation via the website because "An unknown error occured... to change this reservation, please call United Airlines Reservations"
[9:47] <IT_Sean> So... I call...
[9:47] <RaTTuS> aha andf they tell you to go to the website..
[9:47] <IT_Sean> "Thank you for calling United Airlines Reservations... Your esitmated wait time is... 3 hours"
[9:47] <RaTTuS> Oo - even worse
[9:47] <IT_Sean> Om on a prepaid phone, and it's an international call!!!!!
[9:48] <IT_Sean> *Im
[9:48] <IT_Sean> I can't afford to sit on hold for 3 hours!
[9:48] <sqrt[evil]> gmail?
[9:48] <IT_Sean> what about gmail?
[9:48] <sqrt[evil]> you can make phone calls to US/Canada numbers for free
[9:48] <IT_Sean> O_o
[9:48] <IT_Sean> I can?
[9:48] <sqrt[evil]> rage understandable though
[9:49] <sqrt[evil]> yeah, in teh chat box you should have a 'call phone' button
[9:49] <sqrt[evil]> install the plugin, win
[9:49] <IT_Sean> Are you talking about Google Voice? If so, i was unaware they added free calling.
[9:49] <IT_Sean> I knew it oculd do incoming
[9:49] <IT_Sean> But, i didn't know i could do outgoing calls as well
[9:49] <sqrt[evil]> google voice is something else
[9:49] <IT_Sean> oooh
[9:49] <IT_Sean> I'll try that, thanks sqrt[evil]
[9:50] <sqrt[evil]> if you turned chat off in your settings, it goes away
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[9:52] <IT_Sean> I'll go off and try that.
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[9:53] <sqrt[evil]> i should go off to bed, chronic sleep deprivation is not good for me
[9:53] <sqrt[evil]> good luck!
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[11:13] <RaTTuS> whats happen to the web site
[11:16] <Hourd> nothing?
[11:16] <RaTTuS> ok - it looks differnt on my mahcine - may be a caching thing
[11:22] * IT_Sean hummms
[11:23] <des2> The website is round in honor of PI day
[11:24] <IT_Sean> Pi day?
[11:24] <IT_Sean> Ooooh... 3/14
[11:24] <IT_Sean> I get it
[11:27] <IT_Sean> arsing hell! 200,000 registered interest entries, and growing at 10/minute! (I'm reading the latest blog post)
[11:28] <lennard> somehow I find the 10/minute hard to believe
[11:28] <RaTTuS> it's not pi day - 14/03 damn you dat format
[11:28] <RaTTuS> date*
[11:28] <IT_Sean> haha
[11:29] <RaTTuS> pi time will be in the afternboon though I suppose 3/14 15:92 <- umm
[11:29] <IT_Sean> It's 3.14 on my iPhone, and 14/3 on my Samsung. :/
[11:30] <Hourd> smallest unit first so 14,03,2012
[11:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> What the hell are you all talking about? It's 1331720984
[11:31] <RaTTuS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17357374
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> No, wait, hold on, it's 1331721024
[11:31] <IT_Sean> Hourd: Just because that is how most of the world does it, does not make it inherently correct.
[11:32] <shirro> Surely pi day is 22nd of July
[11:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Most common language methods of telling the time are inherently incorrect in one way or another
[11:33] <Matt> morning
[11:33] <IT_Sean> Morning Matt
[11:33] <Dagger2> http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Fair+_53609d85a28204b0a024dfb07401c65b.jpg
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 14/3 is a fuzzy disaster open to more interpretation than the bible... and could easily lead one to believe that it's 4.666666
[11:33] <IT_Sean> O_O
[11:33] <drazyl> 20120314
[11:33] <Dagger2> it should be either little-endian or big-endian... not the mixed way that America uses
[11:34] <Matt> which is why as a date format, I prefer 2012-03-14
[11:34] <RaTTuS> ^ japenese way
[11:34] <Matt> plus that sorts properly
[11:34] <des2> Just use wtoad( )
[11:34] <IT_Sean> My iPhone (US) says "10:33 Wednesday, March 14" My Samsung (UK) says "Wed 14 Mar, AM, 10.33"
[11:35] <Matt> or 14-Mar-2012
[11:35] <IT_Sean> None of my phones actually tell me what year it is, unless i open the calendar app.
[11:35] <Matt> although I do tend to use dd/mm/yy in my own notes, being from the UK and all
[11:35] <Hourd> IT_Sean: makes sense tis all =] wrt date format
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You'll all be sorry when we hit the year 10000! Mark my words!
[11:36] <drazyl> ill be dead
[11:36] <Matt> 2038 is probably more pressing
[11:36] <IT_Sean> When i write it out, i usually write it as: 14 Mar 2012. If i shorten it, it would be 3/14/12. Which could be confusing if i do that on the same document. :p
[11:36] <shirro> 22/7 is good enough (to 2 decimals) for a national celebration and doesn't have a stupid US date format that nobody else understands
[11:37] <des2> It's important to show the year, especially when showing RPi projected delivery dates
[11:37] <IT_Sean> Heh.
[11:37] <IT_Sean> Current projected date is April 17th.
[11:38] <IT_Sean> ... 2307
[11:38] <RaTTuS> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/313480/20120313/eben-upton-raspberry-pi-founder-interview.htm
[11:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[11:39] <des2> "I think we'd like to keep doing Raspberry Pis. I think we are good at them. The current device is very strong at some things, it is strong in graphics, it is strong in video. It is not an especially powerful processor. It is enough but not too much. If we could, we'd love to figure out a way to build a version that has the same amount of graphics but has more general purpose computing heft."
[11:39] <des2> Read more: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/313480/20120313/eben-upton-raspberry-pi-founder-interview.htm#ixzz1p5Q2M6RT
[11:39] <IT_Sean> Dual CPU!!!!
[11:39] <IT_Sean> :p
[11:39] <RaTTuS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKXfvYKAwVM
[11:40] <des2> CPU from this decade!
[11:40] <IT_Sean> Dual CPU machine using CPUs from this decade!!!!
[11:41] <des2> Thanks RaTTuS I hadn't seen that before.
[11:41] <RaTTuS> just see it now.
[11:41] <RaTTuS> seen*
[11:42] * RichiH is mainly interested in the oomph it packs as HD streaming client
[11:42] <RichiH> if 1080p works, things are fine
[11:42] <des2> As long as you only need one of it's 2 Codecs you'll be fine.
[11:43] <RichiH> which are?
[11:43] <des2> H.264
[11:44] <shirro> Must be just about time for the first lot to ship. Any news yet?
[11:44] <des2> Mpeg4
[11:44] <des2> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/01/raspberry-pi-codecs-and-graphicsvideo-api/
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[11:45] <shirro> So this is a picture of a production unit? http://ow.ly/i/vs0e
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[11:45] <shirro> The silk screening and connectors are different to the beta boards
[11:47] <des2> What was the final rumor. Do the 10,000 have the GPIO connector on them or not ?
[11:47] <shirro> Don't suppose anyone has seen how neat the replacement is on the ethernet socket?
[11:47] <shirro> Look atthat picture and tell me it isn't a beta
[11:47] <shirro> If it isn't a beta then they have a GPIO hader
[11:48] <des2> The Audio jack color is yellow not blue
[11:48] <des2> That's not one of the Betas then, right ?
[11:48] <des2> oops wrong jack.
[11:49] <shirro> The beta pics didn't have serial silk screened - was blank. And black jack became yekllow. blue became black
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[11:49] <des2> Right both jacks changed color
[11:49] <des2> Audio blue to black
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[11:50] <des2> RCA video black to Yellow
[11:50] <shirro> If that isn't a beta(?) then the GPIO has a header
[11:50] <des2> Beta board: http://www.pinnaclecrc.com/PR_PICTURES/Premier_Farnell/PF492/PF492A_HRES.jpg
[11:51] <shirro> What is P2 - the camera connector? That has a header as well
[11:51] <des2> But remember after the Beta boards and before the 10,000 there was a small batch run off first for testing.
[11:52] <des2> That's the one that had the correct Ethernet jack.
[11:52] <Henchman21> p2 is jtag fd1 is camera
[11:53] <shirro> Ofcourse they could have soldered them in themselves for testing, and that might not be a production board
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[11:58] * IT_Sean has just noticed that the laptop he is using has unusually high wear on four specific key caps. W, A, S, and D.
[11:58] <IT_Sean> :p
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[12:00] <shirro> PCB made by Sun an Lynn. Quick go find a contact there and buy some out the back door.
[12:02] <Matt> IT_Sean: is it your doing, or a previous owner?
[12:02] <shirro> I guess they are assembled somewhere else though so that doesn't tell us much.
[12:02] <IT_Sean> Matt: previous owner
[12:02] <IT_Sean> THis is my work laptop. I do not game onnit
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[12:03] <Matt> my work laptop gets used for pretty much everything
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[12:04] <IT_Sean> Well, seeing as this is company issue... Gaming on it would be a no-no
[12:04] <Matt> although it has to be said, not really games, but that's more cause I'm not much of a gamer
[12:04] <IT_Sean> I do watch divx videos on it, but, those are kept on an external HD. so... :p
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[12:05] <Matt> yeah, we're a small consulting firm, and rules around what you can and can't do with your hardware are very relaxed :)
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[12:06] <Matt> I'll probably get to keep this one when it's replaced
[12:06] <IT_Sean> Awesome
[12:07] <Matt> I like my job :)
[12:07] <IT_Sean> Heh.
[12:07] <IT_Sean> Sadly (for me, at least) we are nowhere near due for laptop replacement.
[12:07] <Matt> I've had this one for 4-5 years
[12:07] <Matt> so it'll be due for replacement soonish
[12:07] <IT_Sean> I'm on a ThinkPad SL410
[12:08] <Matt> this is an HP Compaq 6710b
[12:08] <IT_Sean> Which more than handles what I need from it.
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We game on company issued systems, nothing like a bit of classic Command & Conquer for lunch
[12:08] <IT_Sean> Heh
[12:08] <IT_Sean> That would be "Improper use of company resources"
[12:08] <Matt> we used to have Q3A on our work boxen
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[12:08] <Matt> back when we had everyone in a physical office
[12:08] <drazyl> enemy territory and unreal tournament at my last place
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[12:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And a bit of CS 1.6
[12:09] <drazyl> oh, and lots of cod4 and 5
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[12:24] <kallisti5> ahhhh.. my order status of "received" with a ship date of yesterday turned into "backordered" with a ship date of 30 Mar 2012
[12:24] <kallisti5> :( Newark is pulling my heart strings now
[12:24] <IT_Sean> bummer
[12:25] <des2> I guess 'received' is computer generated based on the projected received date.
[12:25] <des2> Do this mean Liz will be changing her "should ship to customers next (this) week" ?
[12:25] <shift__> recieved means that they have recieved the order... not that you've recieved the pi... obviously
[12:25] * Caver realises he's not had a change in delivery date for a whole week now!
[12:26] <shift__> The delivery date doesn't mean anything
[12:27] <IT_Sean> I'd say that you won't actually know what the delivery date is until the unit actually arrives at your door, at this point.
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[12:27] <des2> They're gonna have to change 'PI day'. Someone update Wikipedia.
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[12:27] <shirro> The foundation is in the process of renaming the device to Raspberry Tau
[12:28] <shirro> Tau day is going to be HUGE
[12:28] <IT_Sean> ...
[12:28] <IT_Sean> Sounds too muhc like towel day. So... that's no good.
[12:28] <IT_Sean> *much
[12:28] <des2> That's June 28th
[12:28] <shift__> Except that it's called pi because of python... so Tau doesn't really work.
[12:28] <shirro> But June 28th works just fine
[12:28] <des2> The Tau fanatics aren't interested in your facts...
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[12:29] <shirro> It is either that or wait until 22/7 for the Raspberry close-enough-to-pi
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[12:38] <Davespice> guys, I have a request for anyone who has a Rpi board, or an image set up in qemu
[12:39] <drazyl> yes?
[12:39] <Davespice> I need to test if the config.txt file will still work if there are ini file style group names in it [Overclocking] for example
[12:39] <Davespice> or if this breaks anything...
[12:39] <drazyl> think that needs testing with hardware not qemu
[12:40] <Davespice> right
[12:40] <drazyl> have you asked on the forums?
[12:40] <Davespice> okay so that file doesn't get read when you're emulating in qemu?
[12:40] <Davespice> not yet no, I will do in due course
[12:40] <drazyl> no, because emulation is of the arm side not the gpu
[12:40] <Davespice> I might speak directly to Dom about it actually
[12:41] <des2> andyuk was in here he's got Beta PI #7
[12:41] <Davespice> oh okay cool, I see now, - of course the GPU, duh! sorry :)
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[12:42] <rm> Davespice, there could be some syntax for comments in that file
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[12:42] <Davespice> yes there is the # sign for that
[12:42] <rm> e.g. it's common that lines prefixed by # are ignored
[12:42] <des2> # Lines prefixed with # are ignored ?
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[12:43] <Davespice> I am using a Qt object which is designed for Ini files to output the config.txt file for me, but it wants to include group names in the file, if the worst comes to it I can post process the file to take out the group names though <shrug> but I just want to find out if I need to worry
[12:44] <Davespice> QSettings; this kind of thing -> http://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_Use_QSettings
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[12:45] <shift__> overdoing it a little
[12:45] <Davespice> shift__: is that aimed at me?
[12:46] <shift__> yup, it's a simple txt file, even if you want to generate them automatically or have a GUI for some reason, it's very simple file IO =/
[12:47] <shift__> though using Qt for anything like this is overkill to begin with, unless it's part of a bigger program... for example a disk image writer or something.
[12:48] <Davespice> I know, but the QSettings object does make it very convenient, I could do it myself easily though. But whether it's overkill or not is up to me to decide I think.
[12:48] <shift__> heh, 'course... I am not critisizing your or anything.
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[12:51] <des2> Up to you and your memory footprint
[12:52] <Davespice> I'm not going to get into any kind of programming elitism conversations guys.
[12:52] <des2> Anything that fits into memory is ok
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[12:58] <Hourd> unused memory is wasted memory
[12:59] <Hourd> ;)
[12:59] <rm> my unused memory is used by disk cache
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[12:59] <Hourd> hehe
[12:59] <rm> not by QT apps to make ini-files :p
[13:00] <des2> I guess that's why the OS keeps using it for buffers
[13:00] <stuk_gen> somebody says that that people want
[13:00] <stuk_gen> to run a qt app on raspberrypi for generating a file?
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[13:02] <des2> qt has become the universal windowing library. Something gtk and .net failed to do.
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[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> wxwidgets is alright as well
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[13:07] <des2> The PI will likely reenergize interest in memory-lightweight packages.
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I hope the community abandons X11 altogether, but that's probably not going to happen.
[13:09] <des2> Seems to be more a competition of which X implementation you use.
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[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't kdrive/tinyx the only alternative? and that too is kind of iffy?
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[13:12] <des2> For those in the US looking to a USB flash drive for your PI: 32GB sandisk for $20: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/SanDisk+-+Cruzer+Switch+32GB+USB+Flash+Drive/3994115.p?id=1218447373250&skuId=3994115&st=3994115&cp=1&lp=1
[13:14] <des2> Kdrive is now part of X.org
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> how does that work? O_o
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I should probably read up on that, nvrm. Thanks
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[13:17] <des2> X.org has absorbed most everything.
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... looks like it's just a matter of using the kdrive use flag in gentoo... time to give it a go.
[13:17] <des2> Including most XFree86 developers.
[13:17] <Ben64> des2: thats a really good price
[13:18] <des2> Yes Ben but I don't know how fast that drive is.
[13:18] <Ben64> i was thinking the same
[13:18] <Ben64> i want to get a fast flash drive
[13:18] <Ben64> like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220612
[13:19] <Ben64> ~50MB/s
[13:20] <des2> PI doesn't support USB 3.0
[13:22] <IT_Sean> It's USB 2, innit?
[13:23] <des2> yes
[13:23] <mjr> if you want to maximize speed, though, at least an usb3 flash drive is likely to be fast, even if you don't get the full potential on usb2
[13:23] <mjr> most sticks aren't very fast
[13:23] <des2> I agree.
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[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> wouldn't you need to take the network into account as well? If you're using the ethernet, it's likely thatthe other devices will be significantly slower, right?
[13:24] <mjr> 'course, there is the question of how much USB throughput can the Pi handle anywway
[13:25] <mjr> ShiftPlusOne, it would slow down any other usb traffic (above a certain threshold), yes
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Is that likely to be significant in practice if your rootfs is on a usb drive?
[13:26] <des2> The Ethernet is really a USB to Ethernet converter
[13:27] <Henchman21> i guess no one gets bored of talking about raspberry pi
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> never
[13:27] <des2> It's PI day!
[13:27] <drazyl> if you have a fs on USB-SATA or something and are trying to stream traffic @ 100Mb on the ethernet, assuming you don't max out the CPU then yes your fs performance will degrade
[13:27] <Henchman21> new southpark tonight
[13:27] <drazyl> if you're maxing oyut the cpu then everything will degrade :)
[13:28] <Henchman21> cant wait.. like 14hrs away
[13:29] <ShiftPlusOne> drazyl, so it's only something that would be noticable at extremes is what you're saying?
[13:30] <mjr> I don't think the Pi's gonna be fast enough for it to matter a great deal, myself ;)
[13:30] * Henchman21 passes bottlenecks all around
[13:31] <drazyl> ShiftPlusOne - without hardware it's difficult to say, for general usage it's probably fine, if you're streaming large files on and off the system it might be an issue
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> well yeah streaming large files while compiling openoffice would probably be more than just bad idea. =)
[13:33] <Henchman21> i believe there was a great fork from openoffice cause of the buy out
[13:34] <Henchman21> libre office*
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[13:34] <des2> Oracle hasn't destroyed OpenOffice yet.
[13:35] <ShiftPlusOne> good thing too, 'cause oracle is quite fickle when it comes to not being jerks.
[13:35] <Henchman21> since its open they cant destroy it
[13:35] <jzu> OpenOffice is not dead, it just smells funny
[13:35] <Henchman21> people are free to copy/fork
[13:36] <des2> Right, but like OpenSolaris
[13:36] <des2> Becomes a new project Open Indiana
[13:37] <des2> When OpenSolaris changed the way they did things as a result of the Buyout.
[13:37] <Henchman21> opensolaris is gone too?
[13:38] <jzu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris
[13:38] <des2> http://usbflashspeed.com/
[13:39] <Henchman21> "After the acquisition of Sun Microsystems, Oracle decided to discontinue open development of the core software, and replaced the OpenSolaris distribution model with the proprietary Solaris Express."
[13:39] <Henchman21> thats sad
[13:39] <des2> Especially for those of us with OpenSolaris ZFS file servers
[13:41] <Henchman21> guess that means the same with java
[13:42] <Henchman21> "Oracle has described itself as the "steward of Java technology with a relentless commitment to fostering a community of participation and transparency"."
[13:42] <Henchman21> HAH
[13:42] <des2> There was already an alternative java before the Oracle buyout though.
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[13:50] <Henchman21> thats like obama getting a peace prize but starting the most wars
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> starting the most wars?
[13:50] <Henchman21> wheres my teleporter cause i think im in the mirror mirror universe where everything is backwards
[13:51] <IT_Sean> do we REALLY have to get political in here?
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[13:52] <des2> Please go back in time and prevent the Ethernet jack problem.
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[13:52] <IT_Sean> We've been over this. Time travel is impossible.
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[13:53] <des2> Impossible never! Paradoxical certainly!
[13:55] <IT_Sean> Proove me wrong.
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[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> To prove something wrong, you need a testable hypothesis.
[13:56] <IT_Sean> My testable hypothesis is that time travel is impossible. So, go on. Test it. Proove me wrong.
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[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> that's not a testable hypothesis, that's just a statement.
[13:57] <weasel> my hypothesis is that prove is not spelled "sproove".
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nobody said 'sproove', but there was 'proove' in there.
[13:58] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: how it it not a testable hyptohesis?
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> What test did you outline? What's the methodology?
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> What POSSIBLE test can there even be.
[13:59] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne: You can proove me wrong by inventing time travel!!!!
[13:59] <IT_Sean> It's simple, really.
[14:00] <jzu> any hypothesis based on a negation causes headaches
[14:00] <IT_Sean> If he manages to invent a working time machine, i will admit that my statement was incorrect.
[14:00] <IT_Sean> ... and then i will use his time machine to go back in time and... nevermind... can't say that in here.
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[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> here http://www.experiment-resources.com/defining-a-research-problem.html
[14:01] <DaQatz> <des2> Becomes a new project Open Indiana <-- Technically Open Indiana is just an Illumos distro
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> that will help you formulate an actual hypothesis
[14:01] <IT_Sean> fine...
[14:01] <DaQatz> Illumo is the fork
[14:01] <DaQatz> s*
[14:02] <IT_Sean> I forumulate the hypothesis that ShiftPlusOne is a pendatic loon.
[14:02] <IT_Sean> *pedantic
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> agreed
[14:02] <des2> Yeah you're right DaQatz, it's Illumos.
[14:02] <IT_Sean> I think we can all agree that my hypothesis is sound, and based on valid fact and present evidence.
[14:02] <drazyl> IT_Sean I am travelling in time right now, how do you like that!
[14:02] <IT_Sean> drazyl: we all are.
[14:03] <des2> Not inventing a time machine doesn't disprove anything
[14:03] <IT_Sean> But we are all traveling through time at /roughly/ the same rate
[14:03] <IT_Sean> ~one minute every 60 seconds or so, to be specific. :p
[14:03] <des2> If I invented one you could have stolen it and used it to go back in time to prevent the invention of the time machine
[14:04] <drazyl> I actually have a working time machine, but can't tell you about it because you'd just go back in time and patent it, and then I'd be in a whole lot of trouble
[14:04] <IT_Sean> des2: True. But, i would be more likely to use it to go back in time and due rude things to, in front of, and/or with your ancestors
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> that's... a strange thing to want to do....
[14:05] <IT_Sean> Well... you can't use it to radically change history, cause that would mess everything up, so...
[14:05] <IT_Sean> What would YOU use one for?
[14:05] <drazyl> lottery numbers
[14:06] <IT_Sean> ... BESIDES personal greed.
[14:06] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[14:06] <drazyl> if you can only alter the future from the point at which you go back, what else can you do?
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[14:07] <drazyl> you can't stop anything happening
[14:07] <IT_Sean> For the sake of this game, jets just say that you cannot alter the past. If it's in the histroy books, it's happened. So... New question.... if you could go back and bring any historical figure to the present, who would it be, why, and what would you show them?
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd give a young Richard Feynman his future work, so that he can get a head start on figuring out the rest of the universe.
[14:08] <drazyl> jesus, to show how messed up his plans become
[14:08] <IT_Sean> drazyl: no fictional characters.
[14:09] <drazyl> dodo eggs
[14:09] <IT_Sean> drazyl: planning a large omlette?
[14:09] <drazyl> hell yes
[14:09] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and Jesus was likely not fictional. There were plenty of people claiming to be prophets around that time.
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[14:12] <IT_Sean> fair point
[14:13] <drazyl> Alan Turing
[14:13] <des2> Jesus Quintana was certainly fictional.
[14:13] <mjr> there's so much bullshit put into his mouth after the fact that even if he isn't fictional, he might as well be ;]
[14:14] <IT_Sean> Another fair point
[14:14] <UnderSampled> read: case for christ
[14:18] [IT_Sean PING]
[14:18] <IT_Sean> am i still here?
[14:18] <des2> yes
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Good
[14:18] <des2> The time machine failed.
[14:19] <IT_Sean> I put my laptop to sleep for a sec to move it. Usually that disconnects me.
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[14:19] <IT_Sean> actually, des2, it didn't. A genetic test will reveal that i am, in fact, your great great great great grandfather. :p
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[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, is it an honest book? He doesn't repeat the same old stuff which has already been shown to be nonsense?
[14:20] <IT_Sean> ironzorg: Did you just VERSION me? I dunno if it replied, but, i'm on irssi under Windows at the moment.
[14:20] <lennard> IT_Sean: your /ping was a bit insive ;)
[14:20] <ironzorg> IT_Sean: I just did.
[14:20] <lennard> invasive*
[14:21] <IT_Sean> lennard: sorry aout that
[14:21] <UnderSampled> ShiftPlusOne: it may have been written before what you're talking about, but I consider it honest. It definately takes the rigorous approach
[14:21] <IT_Sean> i just did a /ping.
[14:21] [Kolin VERSION]
[14:21] <IT_Sean> I didn't realise it was misconfigured.
[14:21] <ironzorg> ???
[14:21] <lennard> its not a case of misconfiguration as much as how the command is supposed to work :)
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, hmm... the kindle edition costs more than the hardcover version... wtf.
[14:21] <UnderSampled> ShiftPlusOne: pirate it?
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[14:21] <UnderSampled> lol
[14:22] <lennard> in irssi, without arguments it just applies it to whichever window you're in: in this case the whole channel
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[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, lol, fair enough.
[14:23] <des2> Kindle Editions frequently cost more than the hardcover.
[14:23] <drazyl> you have to ask yourself, "what would jesus do?" and if my understanding of carpentry from school woodwork lessons is correct, the answer must surely be, "make a spice rack"
[14:25] <alk_> that new Kindle is pretty hot though
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[14:26] <alk_> keyless variety
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[14:27] <ShiftPlusOne> new kindle?
[14:27] <drazyl> four kindles?
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[14:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> fork handles
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[14:39] <BCMM> nope, fork() doesn't take a parameter
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[14:44] <Henchman21> while true fork()
[14:47] <OneFix_Work> Have people begun to receive their rPis yet?
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[14:48] <des2> Apparently not OneFix
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[14:48] <OneFix_Work> des2: So, my question is, if Newark still lists my "expected ship date" as March 30th, is that likely or not???
[14:49] <des2> I would bet money that March 30th isn't the ship date.
[14:49] <des2> (This is not to say it might not be earlier)
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[14:51] <UnderSampled> Happy pi day Y'all!
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[14:52] <des2> Only if the PIs start arriving UnderSampled
[14:53] <UnderSampled> It's still 3/14
[14:53] <OneFix_Work> des2: Haven't the first batch of rPis already received the "fix"?
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[14:53] <UnderSampled> which is the "offical" pi day
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[14:54] <OneFix_Work> Pi day is nice, but I'd rather have Pie day :)
[14:54] <UnderSampled> Happy ?? day!
[14:54] <des2> No idea OneFix. The RPF seems vague as to the actual status of the PIs
[14:54] <UnderSampled> Though, it really should be on 6/28
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[14:56] <des2> Tau lover!
[14:56] <OneFix_Work> des2: I think they took a beating on the unpreparedness of Farnell and RS, and now with the Ethernet screw-up (which I don't think is really their fault), I think they are choosing to remain silent until working units actually start arriving at people's doorsteps
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[14:58] <OneFix_Work> But, I will mention that I think posting prices yesterday as kind of useless...since I know more people that are interested in getting the units in their hands than specifics about pricing
[14:58] <des2> Considering in her thread on the Ethernet screw up Liz wrote that PIs should be shipped to people this week I'd have to disagree
[14:59] <OneFix_Work> des2: Well, unless they hit another snag or people are getting them and simply not saying anything
[14:59] <des2> I think they should be just telling people where they are, instead of continually speculating on the future.
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[15:01] <des2> It looks like the process is China -> shipping -> UK customs -> testing -> distributors -> shipping to customers
[15:01] <des2> I'd just like to know where in the process the 10,000 are.
[15:01] <OneFix_Work> des2: Agreed. They also had everyone sign up for the mailing list and told us that they would let us know before they went on sale...that didn't happen either, did it.
[15:02] <des2> Certainly didn't.
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[15:03] <OneFix_Work> des2: That's only for the first batch...for the next batches, I believe the process will be China -> UK customs -> shipping to customers OR China -> shipping to customers
[15:03] <des2> Let's just get through the first batch first ;-)
[15:05] <OneFix_Work> des2: The rPi foundation or the distributors will simply pull random samples of boards to confirm the quality control in China is working...I actually assumed that they were doing some kind of random test in China, but I guess that wasn't happening
[15:06] <des2> Seems they were only doing basic electrical testing in China not functional testing.
[15:06] <des2> In UK they seem to be doing full testing and Xraying.
[15:07] <OneFix_Work> des2: I can understand that, though. But the full testing can still be done at random intervals. The x-ray thing wasn't really necessary, since I think they found out the problem with the ethernet ports pretty quickly on receiving them.
[15:08] <OneFix_Work> des2: Understand that some of this is just normal problems that any other new company / product experiences
[15:10] <des2> Once they are past the 10,000 I can see them only testing random statistical samples fully.
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[15:11] <OneFix_Work> des2: Once the boards that are going out are given their final seal of approval, the electrical test that they are doing in China should be sufficient, unless they have to change a component
[15:12] <OneFix_Work> des2: And in that case, they should be informing the foundation that they are making the changes...
[15:12] <des2> Still would want to pull a random one to fully test to guard against upstream component substitution.
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[15:13] <OneFix_Work> des2: Right, that only makes sense, but chances are at the rate these things are selling, you would hear from the customers first
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[15:18] <mkopack> Happy Pi Day!
[15:18] <mkopack> (although I *WISH* it was Happy SHIPPING RPi day??? sigh)
[15:18] <OneFix_Work> des2: Also, the way these things are designed, there's not much that can go wrong if all the right parts are being used. About 99% of the technology on the board is in the SOC
[15:19] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, we were just talking about that. My order at Newark still says the expected ship date is March 30th...
[15:19] <mkopack> Same here
[15:19] <mkopack> I'll believe that when I see it
[15:20] <drazyl> I think you should disbelieve it when you see it, and send it to me :)
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[15:21] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Well, the foundation said that they should start shipping this week...still ~3 more days left
[15:23] <mkopack> Yeah, I just question whether this issue caused the assembly line to be halted while they fix it. If so, I think anybody not in this first batch is going to be delayed.
[15:24] <mkopack> On the other hand if they were able to continue production with the proper part while also fixing the first 10,000, then we should be in good shape for getting the post 10,000 initial boards
[15:25] <drazyl> guess that depends on the availability of the broadcom parts
[15:26] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Actually, from what it sounds like, they had been producing boards with the bad part for a while and they had to go back and "fix" all of the boards that they produced earlier. The other problem is getting hold of the right part...they might still have problems getting the magnetic ethernet ports
[15:26] <mkopack> Right..
[15:27] <mkopack> So there was probably the first 10,000, plus some number of additional boards with the bad part (maybe say another 10,000?) that have to be fixed.
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[15:28] <mkopack> So 20,000 that need fixing, but were they able to keep producing new boards with the correct part while also fixing those 20k ? (assuming they could get their hands on enough of the correct parts.)
[15:28] <mkopack> Just a lot of unknowns.
[15:28] <mkopack> (to us at least)
[15:31] <mkopack> did you guys see the thread/post about the OS comparisons on the Pi?
[15:31] <IT_Sean> blog post? or forum post?
[15:31] <mkopack> forum. let me find it
[15:31] <_av500_> or irc post?
[15:31] <des2> Does Fedora work yet ?
[15:32] <mkopack> http://www.designspark.com/content/raspberry-pi-review
[15:32] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: When they came out and told everyone about the ethernet problem, they had known about it for ~4 days at the time...and they said that the entire first batch was almost completed with the component swap.
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[15:32] <mkopack> basically - Debian is the most stable and seems to be the 2nd fastest. Arch is fastest, but has some small issues. Fedora is the slowest and still needs the most work.
[15:33] <des2> Archlinux
[15:33] <des2> This is by far the fastest of the 3 Distros and would be my choice if the image viewer was working. Boot speed is about 10 secs to the login screen, amazing.
[15:33] <jojo> according to one guy who obviously spent 15 minutes on it
[15:33] <mkopack> OneFix: I don't believe that's correct. They said they knew about the problem for 4 days and had shipped them back. I didn't think the first 10,000 had been fixed yet though???. But I could be wrong.
[15:34] <mkopack> Andytuk was going to give them all a try if he can manage to keep RPi #7 beyond Sunday.
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[15:34] <des2> WHo's gonna miss one of the Beta boards ?...
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[15:35] <mkopack> Um, the museum that he works at that had it donated to them! LOL
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[15:35] <mkopack> He's supposed to bring it back in to them on Sunday
[15:35] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: From the earlier post on raspberrypi.org "Happily, it???s a very minor problem to fix (desolder the dud jack/solder on a new one), and the factory is nearly done working on replacing them on the first set of boards. This means that the first tranche of boards should still go out to customers as we were expecting."
[15:36] <des2> What are they gonna do, send the Coppers ?
[15:36] <mkopack> Hmmm, then why the delay? Or are they stuck in customs again?
[15:36] <mkopack> Onefix what was the date on that?
[15:36] <mkopack> Early last week, wasn't it?
[15:36] <des2> See that's what we don't know.
[15:36] <des2> Where are the 10,000 PIs now ?
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[15:37] <des2> Still in china, in transit, in customs ?
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[15:37] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Could be another problem, or a problem with sourcing the correct part (as was mentioned later in the post)
[15:37] <des2> Where know where Liz is but have no clue where the PIs are
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[15:37] <mkopack> lol
[15:38] <des2> There's more Liz travelog info than PI status.
[15:39] <mkopack> Not that I fault them for taking a vacation (Esp since their December one was nuked) We ALL need some downtime
[15:39] <mkopack> God KNOWS I could use some???
[15:39] <mkopack> I'm getting seriously frakkin drunks after my final exam next week
[15:40] <Mazon> man you guys are like kids before christmas
[15:40] <des2> Interesting that while being the 'official' distribution Fedora is still the least finished.
[15:41] <mkopack> Mazon: Maybe, but many of us have been waiting anxiously since last summer!
[15:41] <mkopack> Not like the 2 weeks before Xmas
[15:41] <Mazon> then wait a week or two more!
[15:41] <mkopack> lol
[15:41] <des2> It's not the waiting Mazon it's the uncertainty.
[15:41] <des2> It's not knowing if Christmas is today or a month from now
[15:42] <mkopack> des: Yeah??? I still question that. Especially when Dom said that the official Broadcom distro is Debian
[15:42] <OneFix_Work> What's interesting is the magnetic jacks have as much to do with regulations. The reason is that the magnetic jacks also give you high voltage isolation...meaning if you apply power to these, then "poof"...not so with the right jacks.
[15:42] <mkopack> Mazon: and the fact that we originally thought Christmas was going to be around the time of Christmas, then January, then Feb...
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[15:43] <OneFix_Work> And that would also be why they would work with (for instance) a short cable attached to a laptop...
[15:44] <mkopack> des: I think a lot of the whole "Fedora will be the official distro" has to do with Chris Taylor and the university of Seneca being involved, figuring it's a good tie-in to a school, which helps with the education side of things.
[15:44] <mkopack> But I'm betting all of the distros will improve quickly once boards get into people's hands
[15:44] <OneFix_Work> Which is also how you can tell the magnetic/non-magnetic jacks without an x-ray...magnetic jacks should have high resistance between pins...non-magnetic jacks will not
[15:45] <des2> If it ends up with the first bunch of people using a distro other than Fedora it's gonna put Fedora at a big disadvantage.
[15:45] <OneFix_Work> Because, actually in the non-magnetic version, the pins are directly connected
[15:46] <drazyl> des2 that depends on what is rolled out for the edu market tho - if someone produces a packaged environment (think Borland) for schools, it won't matter what distro is in use if it runs on any of them
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[15:47] * RaTTuS|BIG has been following the Rpi since Oct ... I registered in the forums in Novemeber as posted sometiome after that
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[15:49] <des2> See RaTTUS|BIG has been here before Christmas even.
[15:50] <OneFix_Work> des2: There are plenty of us lurkers...I'm guessing that there will be a number of projects started on this thing from people that noone knew was even following the project
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[15:52] <mkopack> Oh certainly...
[15:53] <mkopack> we here are a VERY small % of the community
[15:53] <mkopack> (although it WAS fun seeing everyone come out of the woodwork and join in here on *cough* "release morning" *cough*)
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[15:56] <RITRedbeard> yeah they're worse than Nvidia
[15:58] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: That's because for most people, it was only an interesting project when they could get one in their hands...which might I add most people still don't have
[15:59] <RITRedbeard> Alright, alright.
[15:59] <jojo> so why all the fedora hate anyway ?
[15:59] <mkopack> jojo: Oh, no hate (at least on my part)...
[15:59] <RITRedbeard> Let's stop the bitching before it begins... not another one of these conversations again.
[15:59] <OneFix_Work> jojo: Because Fedora = RedHat = Corporate = Bad
[16:00] <mkopack> I think we're just questioning why the decision to make Fedora the "preferred" OS over Debian, when Debian seems to be better supporting the RPi (currently)
[16:01] <des2> No hate just notice that Fedora has a lot of work to do still.
[16:01] <mkopack> Personally, I'm going to be leaning towards whichever distro gets hardware FP support working best.
[16:01] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Probably has to do with the support of the proprietary components for the SOC
[16:01] <mkopack> And that probably means most likely Gentoo
[16:01] <jojo> the pi-specific stuff seems to be the same between the two
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[16:02] <RITRedbeard> Android should be the default OS! *rolls eyes*
[16:02] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: It could be because Fedora has been slightly more popular in the educational space
[16:02] <jojo> and all the work that fedora needs, debian would also need
[16:03] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently someone in Sweden named their child Google .-.
[16:03] <OneFix_Work> jojo: It could also be that Red Hat / Fedora was willing to put a couple of developers on the rPi project and Debian / Ubuntu wasn't
[16:03] <mkopack> jojo: Yes and no??? The issue with the Fedora one is that they're making it specific to the Rpi, where as the debian is running Armv5 code.
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> Am I the only one here who wants to disassociate himself from Google altogether here?
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> Have you seen the third-party data mining sites?
[16:03] <Da|Mummy> good luck
[16:04] <mkopack> SO, yes, if we wanted Debian running on v6 code with the hardware FP support and such, we'd have to do a LOT of work (the same stuff they're doing for Fedora)
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> You could have a goto or precis on anyone for like $30... $50
[16:04] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I figure Google will get my information one way or another....
[16:05] <jojo> according to seneca wiki, fedora remix has no plans to move beyond armv5tel
[16:05] <GabrialDestruir> Better I give it to them now, and embrace our future overlords, than become apart of the rebellion >.>
[16:06] <RITRedbeard> You are a member of the rebel alliance and a tratior!
[16:06] <Da|Mummy> RITRedbeard uses askjeeves
[16:06] <RITRedbeard> I think searching could be done better than what Google currently offers. Much time is spent sorting through data that is redundant or not relevant to a query.
[16:07] <RITRedbeard> I think there are several strategies to faciliate better searching.
[16:07] <GabrialDestruir> Bah, too much effort to rebel against a company that even if you don't use any of their stuff, chances are knows 90% of what you're doing.
[16:07] <OneFix_Work> Da|Mummy: Or DuckDuckGo, which is really just a frontend for Bing
[16:08] <GabrialDestruir> anyways bbl
[16:08] <Da|Mummy> only reason to even know of duckduckgo is if youre using midori
[16:08] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: I'm not so concerned about what Google knows I'm doing, but more about a 3rd party using that data
[16:08] <RITRedbeard> I might try Midori. Is it any good?
[16:09] <Da|Mummy> RITRedbeard, ive only used it on arm devices, works quite well
[16:09] <RITRedbeard> Hmm, GTK+
[16:10] <RITRedbeard> Does it have customizable themes and such? The only reason I use Chrome on laptop is to conserve every bit of 1440x900
[16:10] <Da|Mummy> i use midori on a 800x480 lcd....not sure
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[16:11] <RITRedbeard> I'll give it a shot.
[16:13] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Or if you really want yo be cutting edge, use blekko
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[16:15] <mkopack> Looks like Marco got his RPi case back from production: Looks GOOD! http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/me-and-the-raspberrypi-3/
[16:16] <RITRedbeard> I think I'm sold on Midori.
[16:17] <mkopack> I wonder what the square holes on the bottom piece are for though
[16:18] <traeak> air holes
[16:19] <traeak> midori as in the browser or ?
[16:19] <mkopack> Nah, there's the big vent slots on the bottom, and holes in the top in the raspberry logo
[16:19] <Da|Mummy> i dunno about that 40 euro pricetag
[16:19] <traeak> no need to ventilate the rpi though
[16:19] <traeak> hmm
[16:19] <des2> Nice video.
[16:20] <Da|Mummy> RITRedbeard, that was quick
[16:20] <des2> I kept waiting for him to put a PI in the case though
[16:21] <traeak> that would get messy
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[16:22] <mkopack> Yeah that's a bit high IMO
[16:22] <mkopack> But it's a nice design. I like it
[16:22] <Da|Mummy> id rather the holes in the raspberry be as big as the seeds
[16:22] <mkopack> This one also looks really nice http://solidworksbootcamp.com/raspberry-pi-board-b-enclosure/
[16:22] <mkopack> The red on black is really striking
[16:23] <mkopack> Given that I have access to 3D Printers though, I'd rather just get my hands on a design and have it printed rather than buy one
[16:23] <Da|Mummy> a bit too high quality...
[16:23] <RITRedbeard> Da|Mummy, ah, crashed but still, looks good
[16:23] * SpeedEvil does not understand what the fuss is about 3d printers for a thing this easy.
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> Can none of you people work a hacksaw and a file?
[16:23] <mkopack> lol
[16:24] <traeak> scooping out the inside might suck
[16:24] <traeak> but yeah, last night was table saw, jig saw and power sander night
[16:24] <mkopack> Sure I can, but after trying to cut lexan for my Turtlebot I've come to realize I do NOT have a steady hand
[16:24] <traeak> working on my daughter's derby car
[16:24] <traeak> ugh lexan
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[16:25] <mkopack> I can do construction framing??? wood I'm find with??? Metal and plastic I just don't have the right tools or knowledge to do well
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> traeak: Blow-moulding?
[16:25] <traeak> lexan does do okay on a table saw though :-p
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> Lexan blow-moulds great.
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> Or even simply slump in some cases.
[16:26] <traeak> should look at some videos on that
[16:26] <traeak> maybe just blow mold directly onto the bottom of an rpi
[16:26] <traeak> hehe
[16:26] * SpeedEvil looks at his 2.4*1.2*2mm sheet.
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> I got it as the nuclear option for a bathroom.
[16:26] <Da|Mummy> i would fuckin love a glass blown rpi case....
[16:26] <mkopack> I COULD probably build something out of plywood or something thin like that.
[16:26] <mkopack> balsa :)
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> To make a whole-room drip-tray.
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[16:27] <traeak> woah
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Not actually that expensive either.
[16:28] <traeak> lexan or blow mould?
[16:28] <traeak> mold hehe
[16:28] <des2> I'm going with the cheap Partical Board PI
[16:28] <traeak> cardboard as well
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[16:31] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds8bEdkJEi8&feature=player_embedded
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[16:34] <doug> my case is going to be made out of meat
[16:34] <des2> They're made out of meat?!
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ thats not a pi(e)
[16:35] <traeak> bacon!
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> bacon pi(e)
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[16:37] <OneFix_Work> That's a PotPi :)
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[16:43] * SpeedEvil is getting his Raspberry Pie delivered in 20 minutes time.
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> Tesco++
[16:44] <Matt> mmmmm pie
[16:44] <Matt> I think a meat pie would be good for lunch
[16:44] <Matt> alas I don't think that's gonna happen
[16:45] <mkopack> TOO MANY (non PG-13) jokes!
[16:46] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Only if your mind is in the gutter with the rest of us :)
[16:46] <mkopack> When is it OUT of the Gutter??? LOL
[16:50] <mkopack> You guys think I actually do school work while I'm sitting at Hooters or Tilted Kilt with my laptop open??? LOL
[16:50] <mkopack> (actually, I do??? got a lot done on my last assignment there last night)
[16:51] <RITRedbeard> I have homework :(
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Sometimes you might find classmates dancing that can help.
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[16:52] <mkopack> heheh. the girls at places like that are only attending "Stripper University"??? aka, Hooters and T.K. are like the minor leagues for strip clubs.
[16:52] <mkopack> I've seen SOOOO many girls start as waitresses at those restaurants and then decide they can make more money stripping
[16:55] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Well, that's probably true, but more so because if you're the type of girl that would look half way decent in the skimpy uniforms and are willing to work there, then you're already kind of half way there
[16:55] <haltdef> I could probably make more money stripping than supermarket work
[16:55] * haltdef nods
[16:55] <mkopack> Exactly...
[16:56] <mkopack> And on THAT note??? time to head to lunch???. at T.K. :)
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[16:56] <mkopack> BBIAB.
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[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17345934
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[17:10] <steve_rox2> anything fun going on yet?
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[17:11] <drazyl> no
[17:11] <steve_rox> oh
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[17:13] <RITRedbeard> not yet
[17:13] <RITRedbeard> what is it called when in a movie they're depicting the past but have something in there that shouldn't be?
[17:13] <RITRedbeard> that isn't historically correct?
[17:13] <steve_rox> a fuckup?
[17:13] <drazyl> art
[17:14] <RITRedbeard> No.
[17:14] <RITRedbeard> It has a name.
[17:14] <drazyl> blooper?
[17:15] <steve_rox> a voilation of the temporal prime directive time travel?
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[17:16] <drazyl> outtake?
[17:17] <drazyl> holywood history?
[17:17] <des2> anachronism
[17:17] <drazyl> continuity error?
[17:17] <des2> anachronism
[17:18] <jojo> chronological inexactitude ?
[17:18] <des2> anachronism
[17:18] <drazyl> temporary temporal tempestuous timing
[17:18] * hotwings checks mailbox... no rpi... goes back to lurking :(
[17:19] <des2> "something or someone that is not in its correct historical or chronological time, especially a thing or person that belongs to an earlier time: The sword is an anachronism in modern warfare. "
[17:19] <traeak> RITRedbeard: historical fiction
[17:19] <RITRedbeard> des2 wins
[17:19] -NickServ- MABot!~MABot@idioticphotos.com has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
[17:20] <traeak> oh someone else mentioned movies :-p
[17:20] <drazyl> he wasn't playing the game properly
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[17:24] <hotwings> i just read RaTTuS|BIG bbs link about the new arm chips... you know, theres one thing i dont understand.. why a refrigerator needs internet access.
[17:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> so it can order milk and stuff for oyu ?
[17:24] <hotwings> i was in a store a couple weeks ago and actually saw a refrigerator with a touchscreen and a homepage.. had buttons for google search, email, etc
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[17:24] <des2> So it can tell you when someone has stolen your lunch.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: Reporting failure, for example.
[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> uploading of food thieves
[17:25] <drazyl> to facebook other fridges of course
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: Or increasing energy consumption.
[17:25] <hotwings> who the HELL wants to stand at their refrigerator reading email and web browsing? there was even a twitter button.. GTFO!!
[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> or not switch on when the adverts come on - keeps power down overall
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[17:26] <hotwings> thats probably what its all about RaTTuS|BIG.. selling advertising
[17:26] <philh> hotwings, what better way to keep people informed of what you just ate for lunch?
[17:26] <hotwings> ad delivery
[17:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> well I meant when the adverts come on the TV - the fridge is kept in not runnign mode to even out power comsumtion?
[17:26] <drazyl> so it can email you if there is a powercut, oh wait, no that won't work.... :)
[17:27] <hotwings> im sorry but its just stupid... the only thing i need connected to the internet is my computer.. my phone and tv net connections arent a necessity.. my applicances are certainly not!!
[17:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I agree
[17:27] <steve_rox> indeed
[17:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> unless I want to know what I have in my fridge wehn I'm at aowrk
[17:27] <drazyl> maybe so it can send flirty emails to your cooker
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> ssh to my fridge and see whats in ?
[17:28] <steve_rox> was just thinging about them fridges with internets on them, a desperate attempt to stay more relivent than they are?
[17:28] <steve_rox> i dunno
[17:28] <des2> Someone's hacked into my fridge and put it on defrost!
[17:28] <steve_rox> yaa
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> porn on my fridge
[17:28] <hotwings> lol des2
[17:29] <des2> Besides Google needs to track what you're eating.
[17:29] <hotwings> i have to go back to the same store today.. maybe ill take a picture of that stupid thing
[17:29] <des2> Yeah take pictures.
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[17:29] <des2> You've piqued out interest
[17:29] <hotwings> will do
[17:29] <drazyl> yeah, that's it, the fridge needs internet AND A CAMERA!
[17:30] <hotwings> whats next? installing a webcam in the ice maker so you can watch the water freeze?
[17:30] <des2> I want to watch the pot boil on the stove.
[17:30] <drazyl> then in 6 months we can all argue about whether the fridge supports h.264 or not
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[17:31] <des2> They must support ipv6 so every applience has their own unique IP.
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: I'm actually pondering as one thing my Pi does - a cooker cam.
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[17:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'd rather have a computer with a fridge in it than the other way 'round
[17:32] * Gadgetoid_mbp opens up his laptop to find mature cheddar and a can of coke
[17:32] <drazyl> think i'd rather have a fridge with food in it :)
[17:33] <hotwings> SpeedEvil - ive watched enough food cook, no need to watch it on webcam. but still make your rpi cooker cam and show us :)
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: So I can watch it on my phone in the garden.
[17:37] * drazyl imagines SpeedEvil sprinting across the garden too late to stop pasta boiling over
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: of course, that's half of it.
[17:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just let it boil over, it gives the stove a delightful spunky sheen
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Also a wifi interface for my induction cooker.
[17:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Speaking of which, rice cookies are the best thing in the universe
[17:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> cookies?
[17:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cookers!
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Rice is easy
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[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I accidentally an invention
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[17:38] <SpeedEvil> 100g rice, 300g water, 15 min in microwave in a covered bowl
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Job done
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> fluffy, seperated rice
[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 15 minutes in a microwave!?
[17:38] <drazyl> rice, water, 10 minutes on the cooker
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah - above has no stirring, and can't burn though.
[17:38] <drazyl> don't see what the fuss is with rice personally
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[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Rice being a staple food, perhaps?
[17:39] <drazyl> no, about cooking it, it's not hard
[17:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> No, but throwing it in a rice cooker is even easier
[17:39] <drazyl> (I'm British, rice is a staple diet with curry)
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> I don't see any arguments for rice cookers, when people have microwaves.
[17:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 'aving that tonight, I believe
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> It's just as easy.
[17:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've never tried rice in the microwave, apart from those Uncle Bens packets
[17:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I did try frozen oven chips recently, though... with interesting results
[17:40] <mkopack> veggie steamer- does rice too
[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> 10mins on the oven is just as easy ...
[17:40] <mkopack> love mine
[17:40] <hotwings> this might have been the model i saw: http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/refrigerators/RF4289HARS/XAA
[17:40] <mkopack> but takes like 45 minutes
[17:41] <hotwings> i see the twitter button on that one but not google so maybe its a different model
[17:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mkopack: that usually includes other vegetables and possibly fish being steamed at the same time, though... so the wait isn't as bad
[17:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Steamer is great for a fire-and-forget meal
[17:42] <mkopack> That fridge looks pretty cool??? the mix of apps is pretty spot on for what I'd want in a fridge computer
[17:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> $3,699? Wow... I think I'll buy up fridges and glue a shitty $99 tablet computer to them before reselling at three times the price
[17:42] <drazyl> it has apps!
[17:42] <drazyl> who doesn't *need* a fridge you can play angry birds on?
[17:42] <mkopack> If I didn't already have an iPad and iPhone that can do the same things
[17:42] <mkopack> Especially for $3699.
[17:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah, specially useful when waiting for the bus... a readily available source of food and entertainment
[17:42] <mkopack> I could buy 2 fridges PLUS a top end iPad for that
[17:42] <drazyl> apparently it can run dinner parties for you
[17:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> friends the freezer
[17:43] <drazyl> "hello, my name is dave, I'll be your fridge tonight"
[17:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I don't think we have dinner parties in the UK...
[17:43] <hotwings> apparently they make an over than can download recipes from the internets
[17:43] <hotwings> lol
[17:43] <des2> A fridge with aps!
[17:43] <hotwings> *oven
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[17:44] <hotwings> apparently they make an oven than can download recipes from the internets
[17:44] <mkopack> now if It had RFID tech in it, so it could tell what you put in and took out and measured how much was left, and the milk was about to expire and such, it would be awesome
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> hotwings: Consider that if you like chinese food - a small robot, run by a person in china is probably not utterly prohibitive.
[17:44] <hotwings> mkopack - you could always just smell the milk
[17:44] <mkopack> I swear, I throw out more food than I eat out of my fridge
[17:45] <mkopack> stuff always goes bad before I can get around to using it
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> I've gotten quite good.
[17:45] <hotwings> happens to me too mkopack
[17:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mkopack: A pain that I, too, share...
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> I think pretty much the only thing I threw out that was bad last month was a pack of tomatos that went mouldy.
[17:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I try eating expired shit out of the fridge to make myself feel less of an evil spoiled western villain
[17:45] <mkopack> Being single means I HATE cooking for 1, so I often make large portions and then end up having most of it spoil before I can eat it all
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> I've got this months shopping delivered today, and just had a balanced meal.
[17:45] <drazyl> mkopack you need a special device called a "freezer" :)
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> A pork pie, a cadburies cream egg, and a bag of crisps.
[17:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mkopack: That's what they invented tupperware and freezers for
[17:46] <hotwings> now a cool device would be one which can reverse engineer a recipe. first thing i would put in there would be panda express orange chicken :)
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Indeed. I'm in the same position. I got a pile of 250 650ml containers off ebay.
[17:46] <mkopack> I have stuff in my freeze that is REALLY old
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: and a _huge_ chest freezer.
[17:46] <drazyl> I can probably sell you one for $3699, maybe even withg a display
[17:46] <mkopack> I seriously need to do a clean out of the fridge and freezer
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[17:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: this means that I can cook a huge pan of 15l of lamb broth, and freeze it into 30 portions.
[17:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just leave it on the street and buy a new one... it'll probably grow legs and walk away
[17:47] <piofcube> Yeah, when the lettuce leaves stick to the cooling element at the back of the fridge it can get horrid LOL
[17:47] <hotwings> if you have items in your freezer, and dont know what they are cuz theyre completely engulfed in frost.. theyre old
[17:47] <des2> http://www.food.com/recipe/panda-express-orange-chicken-103215
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[17:47] <mkopack> And while I like to cook, I HATE to clean up afterwards??? so I usually just end up going out to eat a lot??? Plus between work and grad school, about the only time I have time for social interaction is when I'm chatting with the waitress
[17:47] <mkopack> des: OMG that stuff is like F'ing CRACK Cocaine!
[17:48] <drazyl> hotwings: see, you need a fridge that could have looked that up for you
[17:48] <mkopack> I could eat that stuff EVERY day
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[17:48] <hotwings> i just need to hire one of the panda express cooks to tell me the secrets
[17:48] <mkopack> hehe
[17:48] <mkopack> It's all int eh sauce??? which you CAN buy from them
[17:48] <drazyl> personally I prefer chicken express orange panda
[17:48] <hotwings> ive noticed something about panda express cooks.. theyre all mexican. same with the cooks in most of the local teriyaki places. heh
[17:48] <mkopack> LOL
[17:48] * piofcube prints out the panda recipe
[17:49] <hotwings> mkopack - i tried that sauce, its definitely not the same! :(
[17:49] <mkopack> hot: Yeah??? always gives me a chuckle
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[17:49] <hotwings> asian person at the cash register, mexican in the kitchen
[17:49] <des2> http://www.recipelion.com/Restaurant-Recipes/Panda-Express-Style-Orange-Chicken#
[17:49] * drazyl remembers convincing someone you could get tinned dolphin in the UK
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:50] <mkopack> Hehe, I don't care what they are as long as they give me my Orange Chicken!
[17:50] <piofcube> What would be good is an app that you could scan the barcode of any food product and it would retrieve the recipe for it from places like food.com
[17:50] <des2> There are like 20 different versions including youtube videos
[17:50] <mkopack> The Beijing Beef is really good too, but OMG don't look at the nutrition information on that! like 1 serving is 1000+ calories
[17:51] <des2> Basically we want a robocooker.
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[17:51] <des2> That actually prepares meals from scratch
[17:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, have to translate that orange chicken recipe into English and give it a try!
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[17:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I looked at it and went: "What the hell is cornstarch!?... ahh cornflour!"
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[17:52] <piofcube> click on "metric" it gives the quanities in normal measures and not cups etc ;-)
[17:52] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBPIjqWgJqA
[17:52] <des2> cornstarch is very fine flour
[17:52] <mkopack> pio: See, I'd love to see something with QR codes or RFID in frozen food packaging that would auto program the microwave to heat it up, and have it display the directions like "Peel off cover from Potatoes and then press start to continue cooking..."
[17:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Nice protip, piofcube!
[17:52] <mkopack> and then at the end, have IT do the countdown for when you should take it out of the oven
[17:52] <piofcube> cornstarch is corn flour here
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[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> des2: we call it cornflour... because... it is
[17:53] <des2> Apparently they sell the panda express orange sauce in a bottle.
[17:53] <mkopack> Man, I need to make a P.F. Changs run soon...
[17:53] <mkopack> Damn you guys!
[17:53] <piofcube> pretty fun stuff to play with... A little water and cornflour makes a vericule... you can roll it around in your hand and it becomes a ball but stop moving it and it goes fluid :-)
[17:53] <des2> Shouldn't you be at your minor league strip clib ?
[17:54] <mkopack> des: LOL, where do you think I went for lunch? :)
[17:54] <mkopack> I *WISH* my waitress WAS a stripper. because OMG she's AMAZING??? but she's WAY too nice and sweet for that sort of work
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[17:55] <mkopack> If she didn't have a serious boyfriend I'd be all over her
[17:56] <piofcube> serious as in... drill instructer/chew bricks for fun or doesn't have a sense of humor? ;-)
[17:56] <mkopack> she's like my dream girlfriend??? gorgeous, down to earth, sweet, caring, nice, considerate
[17:56] <mkopack> As in, they live together and are talking about getting married...
[17:56] <traeak> mkopack: it's all an act
[17:56] <traeak> the bitch within is hiding away :-p
[17:57] <mkopack> lol. Nah I'm friends with one of the other waitresses here who is also now an assistant manager and she's always saying how nice Paulina is...
[17:57] <mkopack> traeak: LOL, she's a woman, so of COURSE there's a "crazy bitch" in there somewhere??? That's just a given!
[17:57] <piofcube> Well... I guess you must just settle for those moments you are in her company LOL... small consolation but all you have
[17:57] <mkopack> anyhow, gotta run??? need to get to the bank and then back tot he office.
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[18:01] <mchou> hotwings: you need to improve your palette
[18:01] <mchou> panda express is for the birds
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[18:02] <hotwings> for orange chicken in 2mins or less, panda express isnt doing bad
[18:02] <mchou> pfft
[18:02] <mchou> you gonna pay later when you get a heart attack
[18:03] <mchou> not joking about that
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[18:03] <hotwings> ill get one of those from all the prime rib ive eaten long before the orange chicken
[18:03] <mchou> clog your arteries hard
[18:03] <hotwings> tastes good > health
[18:04] <mchou> the two are not mutually exclusive
[18:04] <mchou> despite all rumors to the contrary
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[18:08] <hotwings> i cant think of anything thats really healthy for you that tastes good to me
[18:09] <mchou> heck, mongolian beef
[18:09] <mchou> indian curry
[18:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Spinach tastes good
[18:10] <mchou> thai basil chicken
[18:10] <mchou> the list goes on
[18:11] <traeak> ugh, americanized junk
[18:11] <mchou> need to rise above that pig slop you've been conditioned on
[18:11] <RITRedbeard> I have class in 20 min :(
[18:11] <mchou> traeak: amricanized junk?
[18:12] <mchou> thai basil chicken is not some american invention
[18:12] <traeak> mchou: for the most part...what you get in a restaurant in china
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[18:12] <traeak> well...all that stuff isn't on the menu
[18:12] <mchou> traeak: you mean in a _real_ chinese place, right?
[18:13] <mchou> not some bastardized american eg-foo-yun crap
[18:13] <mchou> egg*
[18:13] <traeak> of course
[18:14] <mchou> mongolian beef is on the menu even in bastardized places
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=955
[18:15] <mchou> so I don't think that's a valid excuse
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[18:24] <mchou> for those of you that are interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-BrLEpGpM0
[18:25] <des2> That's some flamage
[18:25] <mchou> cooking with gas :)
[18:27] <doug> i always take "i'm cooking with gas" to be the same as "i'm a flamer"
[18:28] <mchou> doug: better don your aesbestos suit :)
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[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viEuOyrm-Ps
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[18:32] <mchou> yup. that's pretty much what you need to make decent chinese food
[18:32] <mchou> those gas jets are actually spectacularly cheap
[18:33] <mchou> <$100/unit gets you going
[18:33] <mchou> just don't cook inside :)
[18:34] <des2> But I like cooking outside.
[18:34] <mchou> cause most people don't have proper fume hoods
[18:34] <des2> Silly people without Chemistry labs in their homes.
[18:34] <mchou> nor the appropiate insulation
[18:35] <des2> Silly people without asbestos in their homes.
[18:35] <mchou> no, scorched counter-tops
[18:35] <mchou> burnt cabinets
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[18:38] <Fragmint> you can actually get even crazier heaters off craigslist for free
[18:38] <Fragmint> or very cheap... when they're broken that is. Those things are pretty simple to fix up
[18:39] <ddss|mips> brostep
[18:41] <traeak> just like indian food is overly stewed to death (that gets old) chinese food is wokk'd and oiled to death
[18:41] <traeak> that gets old too
[18:41] <Fragmint> you lie
[18:41] <traeak> the bad thing is that both of these countries you can't drink the water or eat fresh vegetables without getting something bad
[18:44] <mchou> what??
[18:44] <des2> That's why I fry my water.
[18:44] <haltdef> mmm deep fried water
[18:45] <traeak> cook everything to death
[18:45] <mchou> traeak: you know why woks have round bottoms, right?
[18:46] <traeak> move the food around ?
[18:46] <traeak> higher and lower?
[18:46] <mchou> nope
[18:46] <traeak> gas?
[18:46] <traeak> hehe
[18:46] <mchou> the real reason is to minimise the use of oil
[18:46] <mchou> back in the day oil was a rare commodity
[18:46] <traeak> ahh practical resource usage
[18:47] <mchou> the only reason yo'd have oily chinese food is you're eating too much from crappy take-out joints
[18:48] <mchou> real chinese carefully minimize their oil usage...might even go so far as to say stingy
[18:49] <mkopack> use the natural fats in the meats
[18:49] <steve_rox> or set fire to it for some fuel
[18:52] <traeak> they do? hehe
[18:52] <traeak> probably also depends somewhat on region as well
[18:53] <ddss|mips> 13:39 <+des2> That's why I fry my water.
[18:53] <ddss|mips> 13:40 <+haltdef> mmm deep fried water
[18:53] <ddss|mips> enjoy your oil explosion all over you
[18:54] <des2> It's an explosion of flavor
[18:55] <ddss|mips> fuck yeah
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[18:57] <ddss|mips> my kitty is being all <3
[18:57] <mchou> fried cats are tasty :)
[18:57] <des2> I think that's more a Thailand thing.
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[18:58] <mkopack> I think most guys like when the kitty is being <3 LOL
[18:58] <mkopack> at least the straight ones do
[18:58] <mchou> kitty + pi
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[18:58] <mkopack> Cat is some good eating! Had it in Russia
[18:59] <mkopack> and yes, it DOES taste like chicken!
[18:59] <traeak> kittypi sort of like cowpi ?
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[18:59] <mchou> fast twitch muscle, mmm dark meat
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[19:09] <OneFix_Work> mchou: Fast Twitch Muscle??? Sounds kinda dirty :)
[19:09] <mchou> so does kitty + pi
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[19:13] <OneFix_Work> mchou: Kitty Pi sounds like a stripper name :)
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[19:18] <mkopack> LOL!
[19:18] <hotwings> good news for nerds.. stephen hawking is going to appear on the big bang theory
[19:18] <mkopack> Gonna take Kitty Pi to the V.I.P. room???
[19:18] <mkopack> Yeah, And Nemoy the week before
[19:18] <hotwings> yup
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[19:23] <linagee> ??? nothing regarding Pi day on the website? huh?
[19:23] <linagee> how non-festive
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[19:24] <mkopack> They mention it on the twitter feed
[19:24] <linagee> what's a twitter feed. :p
[19:24] <mkopack> lol
[19:25] <linagee> like some sort of database for short sayings? I don't get it.
[19:25] <mchou> damn usb hub
[19:26] <mchou> most usb chips suck big time
[19:26] <des2> Twitter is where all the twits are.
[19:26] <mchou> haven't seen a single one without serious bugs
[19:27] <linagee> des2: ah. ok. now that makes sense.
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[19:28] <mkopack> ?
[19:28] <mkopack> problem mchou?
[19:28] <mchou> yup
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[19:29] <mchou> genesis not playing nuce with ich7
[19:29] <mchou> nice*
[19:29] <mkopack> I'm still amazed how many people are saying they want to build Brambles??? I get these are inexpensive, but the performance even for multiple of them isn't stellar.
[19:30] <des2> I agree.
[19:31] <des2> Put 10 of them together and you might get 1 modern CPU
[19:31] <mkopack> yeah, at a lot more cost, and hassle, and cable nightmare
[19:31] <mkopack> now, for specific use cases, MAYBE - (like an ARM compile farm for things that you don't want to cross-compile for)
[19:31] <mchou> mkopack: kernel: [ 7625.175313] cannot submit datapipe for urb 0, error -28: not enough bandwidth
[19:32] <des2> Moar bandwidth!
[19:32] <mkopack> mchou: looks fun??? not
[19:33] <mkopack> OR, if you could get the GPU to do some GPGPU stuff, then again, MAYBE, although I think you'd find that a modern decent gfx card can do a lot more
[19:33] <des2> I don't think it will make a good bitcoin factory
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[19:35] <mchou> what I don't understand is why nobody has made a cheap media center, or set top box
[19:35] <mkopack> I just think a lot of these people are going to be pretty disappointed when they see what sort of ACTUAL CPU performance they're going to get
[19:35] <Hexxeh> Anyone's Pi shipped yet?
[19:35] <mkopack> Nope
[19:35] <Hexxeh> Farnell are still saying we'll get them this week
[19:35] <mchou> the whole domain is ripe for some serious power savings
[19:36] <mkopack> I was hoping we'd get a "RPi's are shipping today on Pi day" announcement, but no such luck so far.
[19:36] <linagee> they should ship them out of the country with ZERO tax
[19:36] <linagee> its an unfinished kit
[19:36] <mchou> mkopack: shit man, I wish they's just ship the broken ones
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[19:36] <haltdef> the foundation are in the uk remember
[19:36] <linagee> no plastic box or anything. unfinished.
[19:36] <haltdef> 14/3 :P
[19:36] <haltdef> no silly date formats
[19:36] <mkopack> It's a FINISH board.
[19:36] <mchou> cause I can source the ethernet jack myself
[19:37] <linagee> mkopack: that's like saying a finished resistor. :P
[19:37] <mkopack> linagee: You knew what you were ordering???
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[19:37] <linagee> mkopack: and if they really wanted to do that, sell it with the LAN plug unsoldered.
[19:37] <mkopack> just because there isn't a plastic box around the outside doesn't mean it's unfinished. You don't have to assemble it, solder it or anything like that.
[19:37] <mkopack> just plug it in and run
[19:37] <mkopack> hence FINISHED
[19:38] <linagee> mkopack: there are actually laws that allow you to ship out of countries without tax requirements
[19:38] <linagee> was just looking this up yesterday
[19:38] <mchou> linagee: which country are you in?
[19:38] <linagee> mkopack: any geek should be able to put on a LAN connector
[19:38] <linagee> mchou: US
[19:39] <mkopack> lin: What's the issue??? You're only paying for the local state sales tax??? geesh
[19:39] <mchou> linagee: there are difinitely tariff rules. what have you found?
[19:39] <mkopack> You'd have to pay that regardless
[19:39] <linagee> mkopack: only if it was being sold from inside the US
[19:39] <mkopack> And you'd pay that whether it was "finished" or not
[19:40] <mkopack> Lin: You don't seem to get the point of SALES TAX. You buy something, you pay tax on the transaction
[19:40] <mchou> linagee: what's your complaint?
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[19:40] <mchou> Newark has presence virtually in every state in the US
[19:40] <mkopack> And it IS being sold inside the US (assuming you ordered from Allied or Newark)
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[19:41] <mchou> they'd have to charge sales tax
[19:41] <mkopack> from inside
[19:41] <mkopack> If I order a resistor from Newark, I have to pay sales tax??? If I buy an RPi from Newark, again, have to pay sales tax
[19:41] <mchou> indeed
[19:41] <mchou> I don't understand the issue
[19:42] <mkopack> If Newark has any sort of business presence in my state (GA) then I'm required to pay GA sales tax in the transaction
[19:42] <mchou> mkopack: what's linagee's beef in a nutshell?
[19:42] <mchou> mkopack: he's complaining about having to pay sales tax?
[19:42] <mkopack> Technically, even if they DON'T have a business presence, *I* am still responsible for paying the sales tax, it's just not on Newark to collect it??? I'm *supposed* to keep track of it and pay it when I pay my income taxes every year
[19:43] <mkopack> (nobody DOES that, but that's supposed to be the rule)
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[19:43] <mkopack> mchou: apparently??? People just don't seem to get it??? they heard $35 and think it should be $35 to their hand. they don't get having to pay sales tax and shipping
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[19:43] <mkopack> If they went to best buy to buy it, they'd have to pay sales tax
[19:44] <mchou> he can try buying direct from china :)
[19:44] <linagee> raspberry pi sounds like a food. :)
[19:44] <des2> No sales tax on food.
[19:44] <mchou> they's make it cheap enough that all he'd end up paying is shipping :)
[19:44] <des2> (unless it's a convenience food)
[19:45] <linagee> des2: depends on the state. we just have a lower rate.
[19:45] <des2> )or snack)
[19:45] <des2> (in New York)
[19:45] <mkopack> F'ing NY taxes you on EVERYTHING??? soon they'll tax you to breathe air...
[19:45] <mkopack> SO glad I got out of there
[19:45] <Hexxeh> US taxes are so complicated
[19:45] <mchou> bah
[19:45] <linagee> carbon tax for breathing air
[19:45] <Hexxeh> Sales taxes, that is
[19:45] <mchou> NYC is still cool
[19:46] <mkopack> Only in NY can the state get away with taking a loan from the state worker's pension fund to make the state's payment INTO the pension fund!
[19:46] <linagee> if you took disneyland and hell and merged them into one, would that be a close approximation of NYC?
[19:46] <mchou> hahah
[19:47] <mchou> borrowing from peter to pay paul
[19:47] <mkopack> No, that's borrowing from Peter to pay Peter!
[19:47] <mchou> happens more often than you think
[19:47] <mchou> mkopack: ok, you have a point
[19:47] <mkopack> mchou, I owe you $15??? Hey, mind if I borrow $30 from you? Here's the $15 I owe you...
[19:47] <linagee> mkopack: sounds like getting a HELOC to make house payments or using a credit card to pay your credit card bill.
[19:48] <mkopack> (now I really owe you $45!)
[19:48] <mchou> mkopack: + interest
[19:48] <mkopack> lin: Yes and no??? that WOULD be peter->paul...
[19:48] <mkopack> Taking a cash advance on your credit card to pay your credit card bill - that's what I'm talking about
[19:48] <mchou> mkopack: that's equivalent to "refinancing"
[19:49] <mkopack> ugh, reminds me, my car tag tax is due this month??? $450??? ugh.
[19:49] <linagee> mkopack: do you have a luxury car or something?
[19:49] <mkopack> SUV
[19:49] <mchou> shit man
[19:50] <mkopack> 2012 Ford Explorer Limited
[19:50] <mchou> serves you right
[19:50] <linagee> what a gas hog.
[19:50] <mkopack> Actually, all things considered, it's pretty good on gas, considering it's size
[19:50] <mkopack> I get 25 hwy
[19:50] <linagee> mkopack: are you hauling like 12 people around inside during every car trip?
[19:50] <hotwings> btw, as far as online purchases and tax.. youre required to pay tax on any purchase you make, online included. online retailers can optionally charge the tax or leave it up to you to file it yourself. i found out the law is in the process of being changed so that all online purchases will be required to charge your local sales tax in all cases
[19:50] <mkopack> Most in it's class get < 20
[19:50] <mchou> wtf you nned a truck like that?
[19:50] <linagee> mkopack: ouch that sucks
[19:50] <mchou> need*
[19:50] <des2> $450 each year for your car tags ?
[19:51] <linagee> mkopack: 37mpg here. no fancy hybrid stuff. ~$150/yr for registration.
[19:51] <mkopack> hot: right, that's basically what I was saying??? You're SUPPOSED to pay it yourself if they don't collect it??? but NOBODY does
[19:51] <hotwings> the only time you dont have to pay sales tax is if you have a tax exemption
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[19:51] <mkopack> mchou: towing the dirt bike and hauling home improvement supplies
[19:51] <GabrialDestruir> Happy Pi day yo
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> I got an email from Amazon, asking me if I needed to pay Oregon tax.
[19:51] <hotwings> i can say i have never paid sales tax on my own. and i have no intention to either :)
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[19:51] <linagee> GabrialDestruir: not very happy Pi day on the website. :(
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> (I bought a gift for someone there)
[19:52] <mkopack> des: Yeah, h??re in GA they F you??? ad valorum tax on your vehicles. Based on estimated value
[19:52] <mchou> SpeedEvil: does Oregon still have no sales tax?
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> Maybe I meant louisiana
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> I forget where it was
[19:52] <des2> Ah so it's a yearly vehicle property tax.
[19:52] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: If the feds start collecting it, you better start paying it.
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't Arizona.
[19:52] <mkopack> The tax itself is only $20, but the "road usage fee" is based on value
[19:52] <mkopack> The motorcycle is another $75.
[19:52] <mkopack> The trailer is another $20
[19:52] <linagee> des2: yearly screw you over tax. what state or country are you from?
[19:53] <des2> NY
[19:53] <mkopack> des: yes. basically
[19:53] <linagee> des2: do you not drive?
[19:53] <mkopack> At LEASt in NY when you get your tag you have to get it safety inspected first??? Here, all they care about is the emissions (smog)??? half the cars have damn lights that don't work, bumpers falling off, broken windows, thats' ok, just so long as it doesn't polute
[19:54] <linagee> mkopack: we have a safety and emissions inspection here also
[19:54] <linagee> mkopack: with capped rates on what they can charge
[19:54] <linagee> mkopack: typically this is what they do for smog: OBD-II reports no error codes? yep you're good. lol. (for a newer car anyway.)
[19:54] <mkopack> yeah, the emissions check is a fixed price??? but I just laugh how there's ZERO safety checks made to the cars
[19:54] <OneFix_Work> des2: There are plenty of people that live in large cities with adequate public transportation that don't drive.
[19:55] <des2> I do not have a car at the moment.
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[19:55] <mkopack> Now that the weather is getting nice I'll be riding the motorcycle most of the time??? That at least gets more like 40+ MPG
[19:55] <OneFix_Work> des2: It's also easier to get around by bike in some cities.
[19:55] <mchou> got bike. will ride :)
[19:55] <mkopack> but I have to drive 75 miles a day to go to work??? And it only has a 4.5 gal tank, so that means I'm stopping for gas every other day
[19:55] <mkopack> which is a HASSLe
[19:55] <mchou> I worked in NYC as a bike messenger :)
[19:56] <linagee> what is more carbon efficient? walking or riding a 120mpg moped? hah.
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[19:56] <OneFix_Work> That's why bike messengers ride bikes and not cars or motorcycles.
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[19:56] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - the feds have better thing to do than worry about the $20 i skipped out on in taxes with online purchases
[19:56] <linagee> if you eat nothing but meat... the moped might be more carbon efficient
[19:56] <des2> That's crazy mchou
[19:56] <GabrialDestruir> It's never a very happy Pi day on the website linagee
[19:56] <mkopack> Consdiering all the food I'd have to eat to power me to do my daily commute, and the carbon footprint of delivering that food to my table??? GAS!
[19:56] <mchou> des2: nothing crazy about it
[19:57] <linagee> GabrialDestruir: that's dumb. what would it take to put a new post on there saying happy pi day. :(
[19:57] <des2> There's a PI day post on the twitter.
[19:57] <mchou> des2: I went to high school in NYC by bike too, 15 miles each way
[19:57] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Maybe, but if you lie on your taxes, they can send you to PMITA prison
[19:57] <linagee> mkopack: true. there's that. and also the food that meat has to eat to become food.
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[19:57] <des2> I Only biked to school in NYC during the transit strike
[19:57] <mkopack> exactly
[19:57] <mchou> des2: nost people don't realize the central lane on avenues are empty
[19:58] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - well i certainly dont want to go there
[19:58] <mchou> it's like having a full lane that's a bike lane in the middle of the road
[19:58] <mkopack> Oh hell! Newark has an office like 5 miles from my house!
[19:58] <linagee> are there any cities where they just close off the area to cars and have walking/biking only?
[19:58] <mkopack> And another not far from my office???
[19:58] <mkopack> damn!
[19:58] <linagee> I think some areas of SF are like that
[19:58] <mchou> linagee: yup, a few places
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[19:58] <mchou> but not extensive
[19:59] <linagee> NYC - one of the few places people will pay hundreds of dollars per month for a single parking space. :)
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[19:59] <mchou> NYC used to be such fun place to ride a bike. Now it's completely fubar with bike lanes
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[20:00] <mchou> freaking bureaucrats
[20:01] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: It's how they got Capone...
[20:01] <mchou> des2: I used to think subways were fast
[20:02] <mchou> until I started riding my bike in the city I discovered I was way faster than the damn subway :)
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[20:02] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - if it comes down to it they could just threaten the $20 out of me im sure
[20:02] <mchou> still cant beat LIRR though :(
[20:02] <hotwings> no need to PMITA over it
[20:03] <hotwings> ive never rode the bart, but ive heard some interesting stories from people who have
[20:03] <mchou> hotwings: where you live?
[20:04] <hotwings> seattle
[20:04] <mchou> I have some bart stories
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[20:04] <mchou> once I went to a paty at a friends place in SF
[20:04] <mchou> after part is over I take bart
[20:04] <mchou> party*
[20:05] <linagee> will the raspberry pi be cheaper than one of those wall wart / linux box things? (form factor of a wall wart but it has Linux and wifi)
[20:05] <mchou> I get in the tunnels....
[20:05] <linagee> not sure how much the linux wall wart thing costs, only saw one before
[20:05] <mchou> train pulls in....
[20:05] <philh> linagee, the sheevaplug?
[20:05] <linagee> philh: I think thats it
[20:05] <mkopack> lin: You mean the Sheevaplug?
[20:05] <philh> those are rather expensive, raspi should be a look cheaper
[20:06] <philh> lot*
[20:06] <mchou> all the sudden you see commandos with assault rifles descending the stairs like some James bond movie
[20:06] <linagee> wow. they are typically selling for ~$100 price range. hah
[20:06] <mkopack> The Sheevaplug is about $99. There's the pogo plug which is a sheevaplug but with a lower Mhz CPU and less ram??? those are cheaper
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[20:06] <mchou> screw the sheevaplug
[20:06] <mkopack> lin: I have a sheevaplug
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[20:06] <mchou> get a pogo plug for $25
[20:06] <linagee> mkopack: and I just found, tonidoplug. $120
[20:06] <mkopack> Just finally got one working
[20:07] <mkopack> There's a number of them now. SheevaPlug was the original reference design..
[20:07] <mchou> sheeva plug has serious issues
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[20:07] <philh> there's a guruplug too, iirc
[20:07] <mkopack> right.. there's a number of them listed on plug-computer.org
[20:07] <mchou> sheevaplug is the first incarnation
[20:07] <mchou> and it sucked
[20:07] <mkopack> it works...
[20:08] <mkopack> You just need to use it for the right things...
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[20:08] <mchou> no if you want ethernet
[20:08] <mkopack> ??? It has gig-E on it
[20:08] <mchou> not if you want ethernet
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[20:08] <OneFix_Work> linagee: Yes, the wall warts are $100 and up, the rPi is only $25/$35 + the cost of a Micro-USB charger and an SD card
[20:08] <mchou> mkopack: the point is it overheats and ethernet stops working
[20:09] <philh> *plug's a hell of a lot better than a pi if you want to set up a file server or similar
[20:09] <mchou> so that gbE is a gimmick
[20:09] <mchou> basically it's limited to fast ethernet at best
[20:09] <philh> i don't recall my friend's ssh server ever overheating
[20:09] <mkopack> You pretty much need an SD card on the Sheeva as well??? it only has 512MB internal flash storage and I had ZERO luck getting it working as the system OS drive. Broke down and ended up using a 8GB USB stick for the root FS
[20:10] <philh> oh, overheats with lots of traffic over ethernet? that seems odd
[20:10] <linagee> mchou: probably using an r8169 with crappy drivers or something
[20:10] <mchou> mkopack: I have dockstar and that sucker works well
[20:10] <mkopack> Thing with the plug is, no display port, so best you can do is export the X to another computer
[20:10] <linagee> mchou: or wait, disregard that
[20:10] <mchou> linagee: has nothing to do with driver
[20:10] <linagee> mchou: its more likely a SoC with everything including ethernet on one chip.
[20:10] <philh> why would you want x on a sheevaplug?
[20:11] <mkopack> philh: that's what I'm saying - the Sheevaplug doesn't have a display interface, so if you're wanting to run a desktop the Rpi is better
[20:11] <mkopack> I DID install X on my Plug though??? just so I can try some stuff out
[20:11] <philh> mkopack, erm, well duh, so to speak
[20:11] <mkopack> Took like over an HOUR to get LXDE installed on it
[20:11] <philh> ouch
[20:11] <linagee> I think RPi will make an excellent LTSP device. :)
[20:11] <mchou> what??
[20:12] <mchou> mkopack: you're not doing it right
[20:12] <mkopack> it just had to fetch so many packages to get it going
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[20:12] <OneFix_Work> linagee: The rPi is going to be way more versatile than the ShevaPlug too
[20:12] <mchou> OneFix_Work: in what way?
[20:12] <philh> oh, there is actually a guiplug now http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=GUI_Plug
[20:12] <mchou> OneFix_Work: Rpi has crippleware ethernet
[20:13] <mkopack> plug has 512MB rAM vs 256, which is nice??? but Armv5 vs v6 processor (granted it's at 1.2 Ghz vs 700 Mhz)
[20:13] <philh> iirc sheeva can do esata and fast ethernet, if you have the correct model
[20:13] <linagee> has anyone received a RPi yet? (besides those beta ebay auction boards)
[20:13] <des2> Not that I'm aware linagee
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[20:13] <mkopack> the new sheevaplug, yes??? I have the rev 1.0
[20:13] <linagee> des2: lol. vaporware! :)
[20:14] <piless> I would so get a sheevaplug right now if it was more like ??40
[20:14] <des2> Yeah I couldn't resist the pogoplug at $20.
[20:14] <mchou> piless: there's no need to get sheevaplug. pogoplug for $25 in US, available now
[20:14] <des2> (+ $2 tax)
[20:14] <rm> mchou, SheevaPlug has much more RAM
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[20:15] <rm> 512 vs 128, afaik
[20:15] <philh> i'm seeing ?60
[20:15] <mchou> rm: more ram doesn't do you any good if the HW doesnt work
[20:15] <philh> no idea if it's the right thing i'm looking at, though
[20:15] <mchou> rm: sheevaplug is junk
[20:15] <philh> what kind of disk interface does the pogo have?
[20:16] <mchou> rm: don't expect it to be stable
[20:16] <linagee> RPi perfect use: continously stream one youtube channel. (or group of channels or a feed) put it on any TV playing MSM news. :)
[20:16] <mchou> philh: usb only
[20:16] <linagee> (and connect the HDMI right up to a regular TV)
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[20:16] <traeak> i have a pogoplug right here
[20:17] <traeak> put arch linux on it
[20:17] <traeak> i have yet to deploy it though
[20:17] <mchou> no, debian squeeze for the win
[20:17] <traeak> i was hoping to use it as a sortof nas as well
[20:17] <piless2> the design of the sheevaplug looks better
[20:17] <traeak> why debian squeeze ?
[20:17] <mchou> traeak: I use it for pxeboot
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[20:18] <traeak> traeak: ahh..i just have some old memory stick i'm using at the moment
[20:18] <mchou> traeak: cause code is compiled natively, not cross-compiled
[20:18] <des2> Just don't try to use the flash version of youtube.
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[20:18] <mchou> fewer bugs/alignment issues
[20:18] <traeak> not sure why that should matter if its cross compiled or not
[20:18] <linagee> des2: what's wrong with flash youtube?
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[20:19] <des2> No flash on the RPi ?
[20:19] <mkopack> lin: other than flash sucking the big one?
[20:19] <mchou> traeak: cause you can't trust the cross compile to always do the right thing
[20:19] <traeak> i got the pogoplug to act as a hot plug hub for devices...so as not to destabilize our real machines
[20:19] <linagee> des2: adobe doesn't have a crosscompile for ARM?
[20:19] <linagee> des2: they have flash on android. isn't android on ARM sometimes? hrm
[20:19] <mchou> shit man, adobe barely has one for linux x86
[20:19] <philh> why would you want to use flash on something with so little power?
[20:19] <traeak> heh
[20:20] <mkopack> Adobe has dropped support for flash on ARM???
[20:20] <traeak> misuse of one of those
[20:20] <mkopack> or at least dropped further dev of it
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[20:20] <mkopack> Flash is going downhill
[20:20] <linagee> philh: I suppose you could stream it using the RPi as a diskless workstation. but I think that would suck even more. (latency/bandwidth)
[20:20] <mkopack> (thank GOD)
[20:20] <piless2> they should open source it
[20:20] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/youtube-without-flash
[20:20] <linagee> I think only apple users think flash is going downhill. everyone else is using it just fine.
[20:21] <philh> linagee, what about youtube's html5 service?
[20:21] <linagee> philh: I guess you could use that
[20:21] <philh> or even just a flashless youtube client
[20:21] <des2> Adobe basically announced flash was done
[20:21] <linagee> I didn't mean to give implementation details. just a high level "this would be cool" :)
[20:21] <des2> With their announcement that mobile flash development was over
[20:21] <_av500_> piless2: flash is impossible to open source
[20:21] <_av500_> the code has more ifdefs than lines of c code
[20:22] <OneFix_Work> des2: No, the SD card you use is bootstrapped and contains the "brains" of the unit
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[20:24] <OneFix_Work> des2: There is no such thing as a BIOS in the rPi...this presumably makes the rPi more versatile. The only drawback of it is that the SD card must always be present for the unit to function.
[20:25] <_av500_> to boot
[20:25] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Adobe has dropped development of Flash...they are pretty much going ahead with HTML5
[20:25] <des2> OneFix why are you telling me this ?
[20:25] <mkopack> Right
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[20:25] <OneFix_Work> des2: I thought you were the one asking about flash on the rPi.
[20:25] <mkopack> Now we just need to get all the sites USING that damn abortion of a technology to give it up and move to MODERN solutions
[20:26] <des2> We're talking about Adobe flash.
[20:26] <mchou> too many stupid web devs tied to flash for that to happen
[20:26] <mkopack> all because they didn't want to learn how to REALLY program
[20:26] <OneFix_Work> des2: Oh, you can always use gnash
[20:27] <philh> stupid web devs are nowhere near as fond of flash as they once were
[20:27] <mchou> yeah, but you can't cure stupid
[20:27] <philh> i guess we can thank the idevices for that, to some extent
[20:27] <OneFix_Work> des2: But since even Adobe seems to be giving up on Flash, I would bet that project is going to die on the vine.
[20:28] <philh> but if flash starts targeting html5 that wont be a problem, the devs will upgrade
[20:28] <OneFix_Work> philh: Yea, but the "streaming" format for iOS is even more stupid than Flash
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[20:28] <philh> OneFix_Work, no idea what you're talking about
[20:28] <philh> as in i've no idea what you're talking about, just to be clear
[20:29] <mkopack> What? streaming H.264 video vs a stupid flash plugin player?
[20:29] <mkopack> I'll take the H.264 ANY day
[20:29] <OneFix_Work> philh: It's called "segmented video" and it breaks the video up into short 2 or 3 second videos that are downloaded and then played in succession.
[20:29] <des2> At least the RPi has a H.264 codec
[20:29] <philh> what has that got to do with flash?
[20:29] <philh> is that youtube's workaround for the lack of flash on the idevices or something?
[20:29] <OneFix_Work> philh: Because the primary use for Flash has been streaming video.
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[20:30] <OneFix_Work> philh: That's the only reliable way to stream any video to iOS
[20:30] <mkopack> OneFixL You 100% sure about that? I've done some reading through the iOS dev docs related to the media playing capabilities, and I don't recall seeing anything like that in there
[20:30] <philh> where's this documented?
[20:30] <mkopack> It just did normal H.264 streaming video
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[20:34] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, that's the input, but the video is cut up into segments...what the iOS device gets is a play list, not unlike an m3u file.
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[20:35] <mkopack> But that's totally transparent to the client side, so what should that matter?
[20:35] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Which means there is absolutely NO security for the content that is being streamed. I don't know how the companies like NetFlix and Hulu are doing it, but I'm guessing that their streams are not really secured
[20:36] <_av500_> apple, M$ and Adobe all do adaptive streaming these days
[20:36] <_av500_> mpeg wants to standardise it under "dash"
[20:36] <_av500_> OneFix_Work: of course they are secured
[20:36] <des2> Netfliz uses silverlight
[20:36] <des2> ix
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[20:36] <mkopack> Not sure I agree with what your'e saying, but whatever. not really important, so long as flash goes away. I HATE that damn thing. Every time I had to use it my machine's CPUs go to max
[20:36] <mkopack> and silverlight is JUST as bad
[20:37] <des2> And basically the reason they are using silverlight is for the security.
[20:37] <koda> lol
[20:37] <des2> Even Microsoft isn't using silverlight
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[20:38] <mkopack> Yeah, I thought MS had more or less given up on that as well
[20:38] <_av500_> yes
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[20:38] <_av500_> m$ will use html5, *their* html5
[20:38] <_av500_> like apple will use *their* html5
[20:39] <des2> Yeah html5#
[20:39] <_av500_> so html5 is like flash, except it does not work everywhere....
[20:39] <des2> yet
[20:39] <Kolin> because its still a draft spec
[20:40] <linagee> oh this is full of so much awesome. make sure you watch the video till the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTvDjhImwo
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[20:40] <linagee> A simple LED series circuit
[20:40] <_av500_> and M$ is known to adhere strictly to specs.....
[20:40] <Zenolijo> When is the raspberry released?
[20:41] <traeak> webm would be a good least common denom
[20:41] <_av500_> lol
[20:41] <traeak> but i guess h.264is fine as long as you can get around legal issues
[20:41] <mkopack> Wow, I wish I was that good at soldering
[20:41] <linagee> mkopack: keep watching. :)
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[20:41] <traeak> i avoid soldering beyond power cords and automotive tasks
[20:41] <des2> That's what happens when you buy cheap chinese switches...
[20:41] <traeak> don't go crazy with electric hedge trimmers
[20:42] <linagee> des2: LOL
[20:42] <linagee> des2: I think he's a witch!
[20:42] <linagee> one thing - it is NOT a video trick.
[20:42] <mkopack> wait, WTF???
[20:43] <mkopack> How the HELL did that happen?!?!
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[20:44] <linagee> solution video, don't watch unless you want to let the magic out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDTZuFJYX4
[20:44] <mkopack> How the F did that happen ? Those are SPST switches
[20:44] <des2> How do you know they are ?
[20:44] <des2> How do you know those are normal LEDs ?
[20:44] <linagee> des2: they're evil LEDs!
[20:45] <traeak> he makes the soldering look way too easy
[20:45] <traeak> hehe
[20:45] <mkopack> Oh geesh stupid
[20:45] <mkopack> WHY would anyone go through that much trouble?
[20:45] <linagee> mkopack: did you view the spoiled vid?
[20:45] <mkopack> yes
[20:45] <linagee> crazy amount of work to make a trick like that. :)
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[20:45] <mkopack> Way too much hassle
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[20:46] <des2> Yeah impressive amount of work
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[20:51] <mkopack> Wish I had that kind of free time on my hands
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[20:56] <mkopack> ok, just need to write the data file parser, test my code and then document it and I'm done with my last assignment for the quarter.
[20:57] <mkopack> thank GOD
[20:57] <mkopack> (and man is it a STUPID assignment too)
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[20:59] <_av500_> mkopack: you study what?
[21:00] <des2> He studies strippers in the minors.
[21:00] <mkopack> Masters in CS
[21:00] <mkopack> des: LOL, double majoring :)
[21:00] <des2> Double D major
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[21:00] <mkopack> If lucky!
[21:01] <mkopack> just so long as it's not an "artificially inflated" grade ;)
[21:01] <IT_Sean> Bad pun. 5 minutes in the penalty box
[21:01] <mkopack> lol
[21:02] <hotwings> a file parser? thats it?!
[21:02] <mkopack> hot: No, that's just what I have left to code up for the assignment
[21:03] <_av500_> maybe it parses .doc files....
[21:03] <mkopack> stupid assignment has us writing a command line program to be a simple database for CD's.
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[21:03] <mkopack> It stores the database data into a flat text file...
[21:03] <_av500_> no-sql ftw
[21:03] <mkopack> And it has to support listing, adding and deleting CDs
[21:03] <mkopack> nope, no SQL
[21:04] <mkopack> I have everything else done. I just need to write the portion that will read in the data file to memory
[21:04] <IT_Sean> SQL!
[21:04] <mkopack> oh, and build the stupid ass make file (for JAVA ?!?!?) and the execution shell script
[21:04] <IT_Sean> SQL FTW!
[21:05] <mkopack> Every time the prof tells us to create a make file for our Java code I want to punch her
[21:05] <mkopack> Thank god this will be the last of my "entry level" classes.
[21:06] <mkopack> I really should have only 1 more "hell" class left - theory of computation??? DREADING that one
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[21:06] <mkopack> all pure math theory, proofs, etc.
[21:06] <mkopack> WORTHLESS SHIT
[21:06] <IT_Sean> eeew
[21:06] <mkopack> (IMO)
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[21:07] <mkopack> Advanced graphics (build a ray tracer!) next qtr, Intro to computer vision, and Cognitive Systems in the fall, Theory of Computation next Winter, and then COmputer Networking in the Spring to finish
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[21:07] <IT_Sean> I mean, it's all well and good knowing the theory behind the numbers, but, an entire class on it!? ICK.
[21:07] <mkopack> Intro to CV will be hard but interesting
[21:07] <mkopack> yeah, exactly...
[21:08] <mkopack> Most of the class is about determining "NP-Hard" etc. I don't really give a crap
[21:08] <Thorn_> but is your PP Hard ?
[21:08] <mkopack> My co-workers took it last winter??? I started out in the class, saw the way the prof was teaching it and what the workload was and I said "screw this!"
[21:08] <mkopack> Thorn: LOL!
[21:09] <des2> I tool the NP-easy class
[21:10] <mkopack> Wish I could!
[21:10] <mkopack> I *HATE* doing proofs??? I find them utterly confusing and useless
[21:11] <_av500_> do profs
[21:11] <mkopack> I'm an online student, so it would have to be cybers*x??? lol
[21:11] <_av500_> most are utterly confusing and useless too
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[21:22] <hotwings> mkopack - too bad you can use bash to write that cd cataloger.. would take about 5mins :)
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[21:23] <mkopack> Eh, you could, but I suck at Bash...
[21:23] <mkopack> I'm more comfortable in Java, so I did it in that
[21:23] <mkopack> We could use anything we wanted
[21:24] <mkopack> Python for instance
[21:24] <mkopack> and at this point I wanted as little stress as possible??? Java I can code in my sleep
[21:24] <mkopack> the hardest part was figuring out the logic flow for the UI they wanted it to present to the user
[21:25] <mkopack> (especially since, as usual for this class, it didn't specify how they wanted us to deal with every situation)
[21:25] <hotwings> ahh, sorry.. thought it had to be in c
[21:25] <hotwings> not sure where i got that from
[21:25] <mkopack> no prob
[21:26] <hotwings> err.. meant to say 'too bad you cant'...
[21:26] <hotwings> man, whats wrong with me today? typo-city
[21:26] <mkopack> Hopefully I can get that parser written in <20 minutes, test it, get it working, and then be able to spend time tonight changing the oil on the motorcycle
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[21:30] <mkopack> Wow, SpaceX is 10 yrs old today??? and they STILL haven't gotten to the ISS...
[21:30] <mkopack> I can't figure out who's going to launch first - SpaceX or R Pi!
[21:32] <mkopack> Of course, they're still doing better than Orbital Science is...
[21:34] <hotwings> lol
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[21:36] <mkopack> ah, well, looks like ESA is sending up another ATV later this month, so at least the astronauts will get clean underwear
[21:36] <_av500_> its more aobut getting rid of the unclean
[21:37] <des2> They recycle their urine why can't they recycle their underwear ?
[21:38] <mkopack> lol
[21:38] <_av500_> or have a vending machine at least
[21:39] <markus_> Will raspberry pi run <X>? Where "X" is one of -> ...
[21:39] <des2> Only a Japanese space station would have an underwear venting machine.
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[21:39] <_av500_> venting into space?
[21:39] <mkopack> You guys realize the main driver of 3D printing technology has been NASA, right?
[21:39] <des2> ha ha
[21:40] <mkopack> They need to be able to print parts on orbit/in flight so they don't have to take up a bunch of spares
[21:40] <markus_> mkopack: what are they using it for?
[21:40] <_av500_> mkopack: to print themselves more funding? coins now too?
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[21:40] <markus_> on-demand action figures?
[21:40] <des2> markus {yes|No} depending on X
[21:40] <mkopack> av500: You know, in the grand scheme of things, they really don't get all that much funding
[21:41] <mkopack> only like 1% of the federal budget
[21:41] <markus_> Who pays federal tax?
[21:41] <mkopack> *I* do
[21:41] <markus_> I don't
[21:41] <mkopack> must be nice!
[21:42] <mkopack> (or not if that's implying that you're poor)
[21:42] <_av500_> or insanely rich
[21:42] <markus_> Nah. I'm not even in a federation... or that would be EU maybe
[21:43] <markus_> I'm not that poor :) I don't really know what I want to spend my money on.
[21:44] <markus_> I like cheap things, like raspberry pi and the best things are free.
[21:44] <des2> Damn Ferengi getting all my tax dollars.
[21:44] <_av500_> buy 200 r-pis
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[21:52] <markus_> http://www.zazzle.com/open_source_software_tshirt-235749680995885686 or i can buy this one
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[21:55] <SpeedEvil> markus_: The correct procedure is to let the beard speak for itself.
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[22:03] <markus_> i don't see how that would make me poor and happy again
[22:04] <markus_> 200 rpis is the best suggestion so far
[22:05] <markus_> i can make a neural network with pis instead of neurons
[22:05] <_av500_> :)
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[22:06] <markus_> ok... i'm not that rich :P it's just i used to be a student and now i have a salary
[22:07] <markus_> no children, no house, no nothing. just a computer.
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[22:08] <markus_> but i really think i'm ready for an rpi.
[22:08] <IT_Sean> YOu do, do you?
[22:08] <markus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx2iLOvP0rM
[22:11] <ewan> I really think I'm ready to win a million bucks.
[22:13] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't mind a coll million
[22:13] <IT_Sean> *cool
[22:13] <IT_Sean> Can i have mine in small notes, so i can roll around innit?
[22:13] <markus_> on the other hand if i had a million dollars i could quit my day job
[22:13] <mkopack> Nah, can't retire on only $1M???. Mega Millions jackpot is up to $200M??? Now THAT I could retire on
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[22:15] <mkopack> Because after Uncle Sam takes his 40%, that's down to $120M, and then amortized out over the 26 years, that's about $5.5M a year??? Yeah, that'd do...
[22:16] <IT_Sean> I'd take that
[22:16] <IT_Sean> I could live on 5.5 mil / yr
[22:16] <IT_Sean> Actually, i could quite easly live on 1 mil / yr (after taxes)
[22:17] <IT_Sean> Personally, i would prefer to just be 'well set' then 'stupidly wealthy'
[22:17] <ewan> fucking taxes
[22:18] <Matt> I could live quite happily on $100k/pa
[22:19] <IT_Sean> 100k / yr would be very nice
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[22:22] <mkopack> sure...
[22:22] <IT_Sean> it would!
[22:22] <mkopack> I just look at the people who say they would retire after wining $1M and think "You don't get it do you!"
[22:23] <IT_Sean> You can't retire on that.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> But... it would still be nice to win.
[22:23] <doug> that'd give you more/year than a lot of retirees live on
[22:23] <mkopack> I make $92K/yr right now (before taxes)??? I certainly can't retire for the next 30 years on a jackpot only 10x what I make now
[22:23] <IT_Sean> wow... that's... that's quite a bit more than i make.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> damn.
[22:23] <mkopack> doug: Sure, but a lot of retirees don't have mortgages on their houses or cars
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[22:24] <IT_Sean> wow... iPhone 4 takes crap photos in low light. :/
[22:24] <mkopack> By the time I paid everything off, I'd be down to 800K (or rather 300K after Uncle Sam takes their cut of the $1M???)
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[22:24] <mkopack> certainly can't live many years off that??? It would make life easier, but I couldn't quit working altogether
[22:25] <mkopack> although I might go teach CS at a community college or something like that
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[22:25] <ddss|mips> weed money
[22:25] <mkopack> $5.5M / yr after taxes - that's a LOT of hooker + beer money!
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[22:26] <mkopack> What would you do with $5.5M/yr - 2 chicks at the same time???. EVERY NIGHT
[22:26] <IT_Sean> If i made enough to semi-retire, i'd get my divemaster cert and go work for a dive shop somewhere nice & warm. :p
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[22:27] <IT_Sean> Meh..... threesomes are a lot like communism. Seems a good idea on paper, but, in reality, it never works too well.
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[22:27] <mkopack> hehe
[22:29] <des2> That's why you only need a million. To try it once.
[22:30] <mkopack> haha
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[22:32] <IT_Sean> http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7053/dscn2387r.jpg
[22:33] <mkopack> Sean?
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Yes?
[22:33] <mkopack> Dead pixel on the camera (upper left corner?)
[22:33] <mkopack> What's with the pic?
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[22:33] <IT_Sean> 's the view from my room @ the B&B i'm staying at
[22:33] <mkopack> Oh. cool
[22:33] <mkopack> quaint
[22:33] <IT_Sean> and... dammit, i think that is a dead spot. DAMMIT! :/
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[22:33] <mkopack> Was gonna say, either a dead spot or a UFO :)
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[22:34] <des2> That's a beautiful view of the laundry
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[22:36] <IT_Sean> Huh... not a dead spot. I think thats bird poo on the window.
[22:36] <IT_Sean> I just took a test picture, and there is no dead spot on the sensor there.
[22:37] <mkopack> HAHA, I love this..."
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[22:37] <mkopack> learn to code without an IDE, just like the good old days.
[22:37] <mkopack>
[22:37] <mkopack> When you need to build a shed to you call the blacksmith to forge you some nails?"
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[22:37] <mkopack> Sean: Ah, well ,that's good then
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[22:37] <mkopack> (I'd still tell people it's a UFO :) )
[22:38] <IT_Sean> Well, in a sense it is. I think it's bird poo. So... Unidentified Fecal Object.
[22:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:38] <mkopack> lol
[22:38] <mkopack> Man, I'm the last one here in the office...
[22:38] <mkopack> Happy Naked Time!
[22:38] <mkopack> LOL
[22:38] <mkopack> NON
[22:38] <mkopack> NOT
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[22:39] <IT_Sean> To quote the sign I saw on the train back from the office... "Smile! You are on CCTV!" :p
[22:40] <mkopack> Nah, this is a 7 person office, and I helped set up the security system. I know what's here and what's not :)
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> heh
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[22:43] <des2> What are these 'ide' things people speak of ?
[22:43] <Tachyon`> the original IDE interfaces had virtually nothing on them, they just allowed the PC to address the drive directly, lol
[22:44] <Tachyon`> I remember havingo ne back in the MFM days and I'm sure it was just a card with a bit of 74 logic
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[22:44] <Tachyon`> although my memory may be playing tricks on me, 20+ years etc.
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[22:45] <SpeedEvil> that's right.
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> Two or three chips
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> Integrated drive electronics
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> the controller is all on the drive
[22:46] <mkopack> Eh, I'm all for knowing how to use VI / EMACS, but for any sort of largish project, with multiple files and such, I really prefer using an IDE??? I just can be WAY more productive
[22:46] <traeak> i disagree :-p
[22:47] <traeak> we have 600k lines of code (sloccount) and we use vim internally for everything
[22:47] <mkopack> I can go back to Vi if I need to, but I don't like being in there when the code starts getting crazy and I need to start looking at lots of stuff.
[22:47] <traeak> don't code so it goes crazy, make it modular
[22:48] <traeak> :-p
[22:48] <mkopack> the beauty of a good IDE s that you can stay within the single environment and do evyerthing - code, document, version control, debug, profile, and test run without having to switch from one too to the other
[22:48] <des2> Advantages of an IDE: 1 - can easily pull up man page for function arguments. 2 - can go right to your compile errors in the code.
[22:48] <mkopack> des: exactly??? evyerthing works together
[22:48] <traeak> so you never rip through yoru source code with shell scripts, etc to do refactoring ?
[22:49] <mkopack> traeak: why would I need a shell script to refactor my code when I just click a button on the IDE to do it for me?
[22:49] <mkopack> No shell script needed
[22:49] <huene> some IDEs support refactoring
[22:49] <huene> eclipse for example
[22:49] <des2> 1 - ^Z 'man function', 2 - make less errors.
[22:49] <mkopack> It goes and finds every dependency, and warns be before I allow it to make the change, and it'll change it everywhere
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[22:49] <mkopack> It even checks my code as I'm writing it so I immediately know if I did something dumb syntactically
[22:50] <traeak> that's nice in theory, i just haven't run into coders yet that heavily use ides that i would call super efficient, that's just my exposure though
[22:50] <mkopack> I can hit 1 click and it'll re-format my code so it's nice and pretty indented correctly...
[22:50] <des2> VIM has brace/parentlesis highliting/balancing.
[22:50] <traeak> i don't really modify vim much out of the box
[22:50] <traeak> makes it much easier to jump machines
[22:50] <mkopack> Eh, I've had some people where I work who were hard core command line/emacs guys and after getting them to try Eclipse or Netbeans, they pretty much live in them now
[22:51] <traeak> yeah, well that's true with emacs i'm sure :-p
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[22:51] <des2> The problem with IDEs is they tend to not work through SSH
[22:51] <mkopack> traeak: Sure,and that's why I say knowing the command line tools to at least some degree is important, but you can run eclipse on most desktop platforms now???
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[22:52] <shirro> I can't imagine using eclipse over ssh for server admin. I like a powerdrill that can also turn screws.
[22:52] <mkopack> If the command line stuff works best for you, cool!
[22:52] <mkopack> But that doesn't mean the IDE is a bad thing either
[22:52] <traeak> shirro: i work almost entirely over ssh
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[22:52] <IT_Sean> http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6480/img0182fnh.jpg
[22:53] <traeak> even on windows as well
[22:53] <des2> Much nicer pict!
[22:53] <IT_Sean> thanks.
[22:55] <shirro> I watch people using word processors and I wouldn't confuse their ability to switch fonts x times per minute with being able to write better.
[22:57] <mkopack> It's not a matter of one tool making you a better developer vs another??? It's a matter of some people feel they can be more efficient with some tools vs others
[22:57] <mkopack> I feel I can produce a lot more code, in a shorter time, with better results when I use something like Netbeans, than I can doing it all from the command line...
[23:00] <traeak> a lot of it depends on workflow, etc
[23:00] <mkopack> Yeah true
[23:00] <traeak> to some degree using a possibly more limited tool forces better clarity, etc
[23:00] <mkopack> sure...
[23:01] <mkopack> I'm all for teaching kids on the more command line tools, at least initially??? Makes them understand more about what's going on, and THEN introducing them to the IDE afterwards
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[23:03] <des2> By the time you learn to do a hello world in an IDE the kid could lose interest.
[23:03] <shirro> mkopack: true, and if you look at an experienced coders vim or emacs setup it is an IDE, just a custom one built over years.
[23:03] <mkopack> sure
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[23:04] <mkopack> des: That is the big thing - if you want to get a kid interested and hooked, you need to get them set up to succeed quickly, and see some sort of tangible results...
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[23:04] <mkopack> Python is good in that respect??? (as was Basic back in the day)
[23:04] <traeak> shirro: nah, i keep it plain. syntax highlighting, mess with tab spacing, acouple other things, that's about it
[23:05] <mkopack> and once they're into it and getting excited and wanting to learn more, that is when you start exposing them to all the dirty details and low level tools and such
[23:05] <traeak> but i must have multiple desktops
[23:05] <traeak> well to be fully productive
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[23:09] <mkopack> Ok, well, time to get outta here and head home.
[23:10] <mkopack> Bummed there was no shipment announcement, but that's life I guess
[23:10] <mkopack> Later gang!
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[23:10] <shirro> I guess the complexities of some languages probably makes an IDE more attractive. I can't imagine the benefit for C or Python.
[23:11] <shirro> Surprised no shipping news yet. I thought end of this week for sure.
[23:11] <traeak> shirro since i've been in hardcore r&d development it's been mostly c++ with some bash/sh/awk stuff
[23:11] <traeak> desolder fun
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[23:11] <des2> I can see the speed of prototype argument lookup when you type the name of the function and extensive sort of compile as you type error checking as being features.
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[23:12] <shirro> c++ might push me over the edge (either to an IDE or a straitjacket)
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[23:13] <des2> Or just blow your whole leg off
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[23:14] <shirro> des2: Boost can probably blow generic body parts off.
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[23:18] <shirro> I am guessing the boards would be back in the uk by now. I wonder if they are going to ship portions around the world for a simultaneous release?
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[23:20] <des2> If only someone updated us as to where the boards actually are.
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[23:20] <SpeedEvil> I have stolen them, and built a shed out of them.
[23:21] <des2> I've heard of Pi tins but not whole sheds
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[23:25] <shirro> des2: confidential, commercial in confidence, NDA, closed source, secret project for Broadcom to capture hearts and minds of kiddies not a bloody community project....blah, blah
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[23:28] <traeak> shirro: more power to broadcom if they want to try to lock students into developing for their products
[23:28] <traeak> heeh
[23:28] <shirro> Got an email from an aus electronics place. Has 30 beaglebones in stock. Hmmm, $119 each. Ship immediately. Hmmm.
[23:29] <traeak> no vid, what you want with them?
[23:29] <shirro> No, I want an mx53 qsb for compiling packages for RPi. Beaglebone is overpriced toy.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> How much is mx52?
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> 3
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[23:31] * SpeedEvil quite wants a beaglebone.
[23:31] <shirro> Freescale say $150 direct on their site. Not sure how much from a distributor.
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[23:33] <shirro> 1Ghz processor, 1G ram and sata interface would make a nice arm build machine. Once RPi ship more than hot air I can't see much of a future for those Beagles.
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[23:36] <Simon-> why can't you just cross compile?
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[23:37] <shirro> Simon-: some things you can. It depends on the build process. Some configure scripts will detect architecture.
[23:38] <shirro> Simon-: AFAIK all the ARM builds for every distro are done on ARM for this reason.
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[23:48] <shirro> Going to only say nice things about Element14 Australia today.
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[23:56] <_av500_> shirro: beagle wont die due to r.pi
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