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IRC Log for 2012-03-15

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[0:00] <traeak> hope the price crashes though
[0:00] <_av500_> i doubt it
[0:01] <shirro> they will die at current pricing
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> traeak: the problem with that is that bone is already fairly cheap for what it is - in the volumes it is.
[0:01] <_av500_> beagle etc sell 10k a month, for 3ys now
[0:01] <_av500_> its made in the us, with freely available parts
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> traeak: What's as likely is that Pi cannibalises beagles market, and beagle can't invest in new hw
[0:02] <_av500_> others are free to clone a beagle in china if they want
[0:02] <_av500_> still beagle outsells all clones
[0:03] <_av500_> dont forget that beagle like r-pi is non-profit
[0:03] <_av500_> so there is no pressure to match prices
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[0:06] <zleap> SpeedEvil, why would that be the case, the spectrum and c64 co-existed for years,
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> zleap: Because at some point the market saturates.
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[0:08] <zleap> hm, perhaps people will buy both
[0:08] <des2> In order for one to replace another it has to be better in the main areas
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> des2: Well - no.
[0:08] <des2> smaller, lower power, cheaper, more powerful, etc.
[0:08] <_av500_> users that want full hd decode wont buy a bone
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> des2: If one is sufficiently cheaper, that can be enough
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[0:09] <_av500_> users that need gpios, serials and spi wont buy a r-pi
[0:09] <des2> If it's comparable in the other areas.
[0:09] <_av500_> and in some apps, 99$ for the bone is cheap
[0:09] <SpeedEvil> des2: Many apps for the beagleboard can be made to 'sort-of-work' for under $60 difference.
[0:09] <_av500_> compared top the rest of the equipment and the time involved
[0:10] <zleap> hopefully the rasp-pi will be a stepping stone to other things
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[0:10] <_av500_> I would wait to call the demise of the beagle intul r-pi ships ...
[0:10] <_av500_> in quantities
[0:10] <des2> Since you can buy 2 PI for every beagle it has a big advantage.
[0:10] <_av500_> price is not all
[0:10] <_av500_> a iuni lab does not care if the board is 35 or 99
[0:11] <_av500_> uni
[0:11] <des2> Next is it smaller, lower power consumption, more powerful ?
[0:11] <_av500_> which one is more powerful?
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[0:16] <des2> The xM is more powerful and has more memory.
[0:16] <_av500_> comparing beagles?
[0:16] <_av500_> yes
[0:18] <shirro> Beagle is going to be squeezed from above and below. Good luck to them. Is nice to have choices. Hope they can work out a way to make them cheaper.
[0:19] <_av500_> as said, beagle is not for profit
[0:19] <des2> The RPi model C would probably be a Beagleboard killer
[0:19] <shirro> Cool. Just went from 30 units to 9 units in minutes since that email. I guess demand is still there.
[0:19] <des2> But there is no C yet.
[0:19] <_av500_> so there is no pressure
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: Not for profits still have to make internal profit, or they stop making stuff.
[0:20] <_av500_> yes, but so far they sell everything they make
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: Unless they get actual subsidy
[0:20] <_av500_> beagle does not
[0:20] <_av500_> panda does
[0:20] <_av500_> beagle buys all parts from retailers
[0:20] <_av500_> since the mission is to make a board that can be built
[0:21] <_av500_> and encourage cloning
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[0:21] <weasel> my model C has way more ram and a dsub9 duart :)
[0:21] <_av500_> faster cpu too? :)
[0:22] <weasel> armhf probably. needn't be much faster
[0:22] <_av500_> armhf is now a cpu speed?
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: If volumes for beagle drop - prices rise - and they have to boost price
[0:22] <weasel> you know the answer to that :)
[0:22] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: doubt that actually
[0:23] <des2> Are there chinese beagle clones ?
[0:23] <_av500_> devkit8000 for example
[0:23] <_av500_> had even more memory and ehternet
[0:23] <_av500_> back then
[0:23] <_av500_> did not sell too well
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: How do you doubt it?
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: If volumes drop - components cost more to source.
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[0:24] <des2> 12 V Intel Atom motherboards are about $90 but use about 12 watts and are 6" square (add $5 for a gig of ram)
[0:25] <_av500_> sure
[0:25] <_av500_> and?
[0:25] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: as I said, beagle sell atm ~10k/month
[0:26] <_av500_> if that drops to 1k, your are still in roughly the same price bracket
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[0:28] <shirro> I think beagle can sell stuff as fast as they can make it at the moment. Even at US$124 each these guys are going to sell their stock of bones in 2 hrs and be on backorder again.
[0:29] <_av500_> yep
[0:29] <des2> Why don't they make more ?
[0:30] <shirro> I imagine they face the same issue as the Pi foundation with scaling which forced the RS/Element14 deal
[0:30] <_av500_> beagle is roughly 3 people part time
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[0:30] <_av500_> and distribution is through retailers from day one
[0:30] <_av500_> since 3 people cannot do it from a garage in their spare time
[0:31] <_av500_> production is local in texas
[0:31] <_av500_> a lot of people are buying bone for arduino like tasks
[0:32] <_av500_> if r-pi will kill the bone, arduino would have done it long ago
[0:32] <_av500_> yet it has not
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> Arduino and Pi are _quite_ different.
[0:33] <_av500_> i know
[0:33] <_av500_> yet for playing around with gpios and blinking leds, both do the task
[0:33] <_av500_> arduino even more so
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[0:34] <_av500_> and led blink people buy bones too
[0:34] <des2> You don't really need an 1 GHz blink.
[0:34] <_av500_> so I doubt any of these boards will go "under" soon
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[0:35] <_av500_> evrything depends..
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> Pi can do some tasks that previously the only way to do them was beaglebone or similar.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> It will to a degree cannibalise the market.
[0:35] <_av500_> we are running in circles here
[0:35] <des2> Arduino just runs a program where as beagle runs an OS.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> that
[0:36] <des2> BEagle even runs Ubuntu, something the Pi won't do (well recent versions anyway)
[0:36] <_av500_> des2: trust me, there are arduino *and* beagle buyers that would not know the differecne :)
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[0:36] <traeak> heh, there's a reason the rpi has so many stinking back orders
[0:36] <traeak> there's a place for it in the market
[0:37] <_av500_> nobody disputes that
[0:37] <traeak> tablets existed before the ipad
[0:37] <traeak> just as smartphones did before the iphone
[0:37] <des2> PI is below the "buy it by skipping dinner out" threshold.
[0:37] * _av500_ think his place is bed now
[0:38] <traeak> i could argue that iphone/ipad weren't necessarily technolgically innovative but were market innovative
[0:38] <traeak> market innovation is generally a much bigger deal than technology, as much as i do love technology
[0:38] <des2> Beaglebone fits in a altoids tin, something the PI won't do.
[0:39] <traeak> so pi probably fits in the "market innovation" side more than anything
[0:39] <traeak> we'll see
[0:39] <traeak> oh well
[0:39] <BCMM> why are altoid tins so important? i've seen a lot of references to those
[0:40] <_av500_> they are not
[0:40] <traeak> BCMM: dunno, you have bad breath ?
[0:40] <_av500_> it was just fun that they fit
[0:40] <BCMM> traeak: i tend to brush my teeth...
[0:40] <_av500_> and there was "stuff in altoid tins" electronics before
[0:40] <BCMM> ah, wikipedia says they are more widely available in countries they are exported to than in britain
[0:40] <traeak> it's a problem if altoids tins conduct
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[0:40] <BCMM> explains why i didn't think they were a big thing
[0:41] <des2> The altoid tin is kinda a poor man's project box.
[0:41] <_av500_> yep
[0:41] <traeak> grr
[0:42] <_av500_> piece of paper fixes the conductance
[0:43] <des2> http://www.al7fs.us/SmiteAltoids.jpg
[0:43] <des2> Plus they come with free mints.
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[0:44] <oldtopman> D:
[0:44] <oldtopman> srsly?
[0:44] <oldtopman> Free mints with then enclosure?
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[0:47] <des2> 12 project boxes for $24 + free mints: http://www.amazon.com/Altoids-Curiously-Strong-Spearmint-1-76-Ounce/dp/B000FKIYEO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1331768716&sr=8-8
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[1:23] <game16> hey
[1:23] <game16> What's a rotate left arithmetic instruction good for?
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> dividing by 2.
[1:24] <game16> Dividing by 2?
[1:24] <game16> But the first bit goes to the end, right?
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[1:31] <shirro> game16: That is rotating through carry flag? Good for shifting int bigger than word size.
[1:31] <des2> left multiplies
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[1:32] <wej> shifting left multiplies. rotating doesn't
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[1:32] <wej> and of course neither shifting left nor rotating left divides
[1:33] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwise_operation
[1:33] <shirro> wej: left shift by a bit divides by a half
[1:33] <wej> huh?
[1:33] <wej> no
[1:34] <wej> well ok, yeah. that is multiplying by two
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[1:34] <wej> but we are talking about integers, right? ;)
[1:35] <game16> Yeah
[1:35] <game16> shifts
[1:35] <game16> are multiuple
[1:35] <shirro> rotating through carry lets you bring in the msb from the last word you rotated, and use the msb for the next
[1:35] <wej> yes
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[1:41] <shirro> game16: Is this a c or assembler thing? I am not sure what an arithmetic rotate left is really. Arithmetic shift right I understand with it replicating the sign of the msb.
[1:42] <shirro> I am just assuming it is a rotate through carry.
[1:43] <game16> assembly
[1:43] <traeak> forgot, the guys were discussion bit rotation on #clay but that was weeks ago
[1:44] <traeak> in fact you might find an explanation of bitrot operations on that page or probably just google it
[1:44] <des2> You have to look at the individual instruction set to see the different rotates.
[1:44] <traeak> bitrot is a cool instruction name anyways
[1:44] <des2> Some will involve carrry other's won't
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[3:53] <Flea86> oops lol
[3:53] <Flea86> sorry
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[4:28] <GobShite> ACTION is away: +++ OK ATH OK
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[4:36] <GabrialDestruir> WHAT??!?!? GOT PI?
[4:37] <DaQatz> ?
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[4:49] <UnaClocker> Goodevening
[4:50] <UnaClocker> I'm starving for some fresh Pi
[4:55] <mkopack> Aren't we ALL
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[4:56] <mkopack> Hecnh: Yes, it was!
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[5:03] <Scott_S> Ohai!
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[5:07] <AdrianG> hii
[5:09] <uriah> hi
[5:10] <hotwings> evening fellas
[5:12] <uriah> so, who's holding bets on when model a will come out? :P
[5:12] <Scott_S> You mean Model B? o.o
[5:12] <uriah> :P
[5:12] <DaQatz> Model B is the first run
[5:12] <uriah> i mean model a
[5:13] <Scott_S> Odd, you think they'd move to something like "Model C" or something, to show it's moving from Alpha to Beta, to 3rd Revision..
[5:13] <DaQatz> Scott_S, It's not a revision model system.
[5:13] <DaQatz> But a feature model system.
[5:14] <DaQatz> Model A has less features then model b
[5:14] <Scott_S> ^ I was sure they already had a Model A, simply doesn't have ethernet.
[5:14] <DaQatz> Both Model A and B are designed.
[5:15] <DaQatz> But Model A has not started sales as of yet.
[5:15] <Scott_S> Ahhh, that makes sense.
[5:15] <Scott_S> I only learned of RPi about... oh, 2 weeks ago, so I'm not really caught up on the info.
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[5:25] <mkopack> Scott: Might I suggest you look over the FAQ? It will help a lot
[5:25] <mkopack> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
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[5:36] <Scott_S> mkopack: I know most of it, wasn't sure about those parts.
[5:41] <hotwings> i hope there is a model c.. and i hope it has all the connectors on 1 side instead of all 4..
[5:41] <hotwings> ??_??
[5:42] <Scott_S> I'm hoping for an increased CPU Freq/Higher Mem. Model C.
[5:42] <Scott_S> Something like 1.2GHz + 512MB, or similar.
[5:42] <hotwings> i wouldnt mind 512MB ram but im not gonna hold my breath waiting for it
[5:44] <rm> your "model C" is called PandaBoard and costs $200
[5:44] <rm> have at it
[5:44] <rm> afaik you can even order today
[5:48] <Scott_S> See, a "Model C" of RPi is what I am talking about.
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[5:51] <rm> a "Model C" of RPi does not exist
[5:52] <rm> an attempt to make one with specs you describe would quadriply the cost, if not much more
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[5:52] <rm> if you are okay with that, you can get a similar device today, there are quite a lot of them on the market (also DreamPlug, for example)
[5:53] <Henchman21> MOAR POWA
[5:54] <Henchman21> why only 1.2ghz... lets make it 5ghz liquid nitrogen cooled and self aware?
[5:55] <Henchman21> with a cup holder
[5:55] <Scott_S> See, I would believe what you're saying, if the cost for their current version was already higher. There is nearly always something in-between.
[5:55] <Henchman21> 5$ higher? you mean shipping?
[5:56] <Henchman21> thats not really a price hike
[5:56] <Henchman21> if you were expecting 35$ shipped...
[5:56] <Scott_S> .. I'm saying if they were to design a Model C, it most definitely wouldn't be the $200 that rm is stating.
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[6:03] <Henchman21> if they made a bunch radically different the target software for teaching would be different at each extreme, sorry you cant run this app it will only work *well* on the way more expensive one, i dont think youre factoring in their goals for this project and your own
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[6:06] <Henchman21> love it or leave it point is it public unlike a lot of projects that are private like XO the only poeple that could get one were people looking for massive bulk orders(like schools/countries), or the temporary donate one get one (but then people paid double/triple its worth
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[6:07] <Henchman21> not sure how well those taught the bulk of its users, more like it connected them and made general learning easier and more fun
[6:09] <Henchman21> it was really cool, meshing, and could distribute digital content like wikipedia for the kids to read
[6:10] <Henchman21> i wanted one and im like 30!
[6:10] <Henchman21> nice piece of hardware
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[6:40] <Henchman21> foundations goal=affordable programmable computer for *EVERYONE*, everyones goal... faster/fastest/even faster/cup holder/car driving(cause im too busy texting on IRC how kewl i am to drive) and at the same price as the foundations project
[6:41] <Henchman21> ;)
[6:41] <Henchman21> gnite
[6:41] <Henchman21> its way past my bedtime
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[6:54] <zarac> I'm a bit confused about the status of availability. Is it possible to place an order or can I just "register my interest"? I did so over a week a go on both rs/e14 and i haven't recieved any information at all (no confirmation, nothing).
[6:55] <zarac> I've read nothing about not being able to place orders, just information about prices and that units are first-come-first-serve. Which kind of implies that it is possible to place an order.
[6:56] <zarac> I want to make sure i'm placed on the order-list or whatever... ; &
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[7:00] <Ben64> rs only has interest, other places you can order from (unless they stopped)
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[7:05] <zarac> Ben64: I cannot find anything else than a "register your interest" button on e14's website either.
[7:05] <zarac> That is: http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
[7:05] <Ben64> what country are you in
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[7:06] <zarac> Sweden
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[7:07] <Ben64> oh, i guess they removed it
[7:07] <zarac> Oh, actually RS e-mailed me but it was marked as spam (gmail).
[7:09] <zarac> They wrote in the e-mail i'll be contacted soon with more details
[7:10] <zarac> : &
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[9:37] <Elboras> Hi
[9:38] <Kostic> Aloha
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[9:38] <haltdef> pandaboard ES due for delivery today :D
[9:39] <haltdef> I'm almost physically excited
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[9:41] <shirro> Wouldn't mind a PandaBoard. How long was the wait?
[9:42] <haltdef> dispatched the 12th, ordered 10th
[9:42] <shirro> Sweet.
[9:42] <haltdef> uk.mouser.com export from the US, I'm in the UK :P
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[9:44] <haltdef> VAT's passed onto me by them, customs and import fees paid by them (so they claim)
[9:45] <haltdef> there will be raging if I get an invoice from fedex, who should also have been paid by them
[9:46] <shirro> We don't pay GST (our VAT) on private purchases under $1000 here. So is an incentive to import things like this.
[9:49] <haltdef> don't get me started on VAT :P
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[9:50] <Mowee> morning
[9:50] <drazyl> morning
[9:50] <shirro> So what are you going to do the beast?
[9:51] <shirro> ...with the beast?
[9:51] <haltdef> I'm hoping to manually install debian testing armhf
[9:51] <haltdef> compile the various bootloaders, the kernel, bootstrap debian
[9:51] <haltdef> how hard can it be
[9:52] <Kostic> As always, it depends. :D
[9:52] <shirro> Cool. I want a fast ARM board for builds as well. Trying to justify it.
[9:52] <haltdef> it has the same dependency on booting from SD as the pi does, got a 512MB one I can plop the bootloaders and kernel on
[9:52] <haltdef> as to what to do after that .. no idea :P
[9:52] <shirro> haltdef: It has a lot of CPU. Should build nice and fast.
[9:53] <Kostic> Anyone tried those linux emulators for android?
[9:53] <haltdef> I'll be corss compiling the bootloaders and kernel
[9:53] <haltdef> no other compiling should be needed
[9:53] <haltdef> cross also
[9:54] <haltdef> hm, fedora's arm version was creates specifically for the pi wasn't it?
[9:55] <shirro> haltdef: yep. Pi has armv6 and vfp2. none of the distros support it well. Tend to be either v7 and up or softfloat.
[9:56] <haltdef> might be interesting persuading it to work on the pandaboard
[9:56] <haltdef> should just need another kernel and the bootloader
[9:57] <shirro> Would think so. Might not be making the most of the machine though as the Panda has a more advanced CPU.
[9:57] <haltdef> mm
[9:57] <haltdef> I was originally going to try gentoo
[9:58] <haltdef> don't fancy compiling new packages on such a slow cpu
[9:58] <haltdef> fast compared to the pi but it's still only equivalent to a dual core atom or something :P
[9:58] <shirro> Debian should run nicely
[9:59] <haltdef> yea
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[10:12] <shirro> Must remember not to look at Mouser in AUD. They must be using a 1990s exchange rate.
[10:17] <haltdef> got my usb to serial cable ready
[10:18] <AdrianG> grat
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[10:19] <haltdef> necessary for a manual install apparently
[10:20] <haltdef> no hdmi output until some kind of graphics driver's loaded
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[12:11] <theos> hi
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[12:41] <normod> heya
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[13:03] <meltwater> hi all
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[13:05] <ShiftPlusOne> hey
[13:05] <MasterGeek> \O.
[13:07] <MasterGeek> So is it true, PI Wont be releasing the data sheets for the soc ?
[13:07] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
[13:07] <rz2k> its not pi
[13:07] <ShiftPlusOne> pi has nothing to do with it
[13:07] <rz2k> its broadcom
[13:07] <tntexplosivesltd> we got some stripped-down ones ages ago
[13:07] <MasterGeek> so how is any realistic development going to be done ?
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> broadcom won't be releasing the COMPLETE data sheets. So far, the've released enough documentation to work with the peripherals which are available to us through the GPIO pins.
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[13:09] <rz2k> there are two ways, first is stick with broadcom's blobs, second is R&D blobs and write alternative (see nvidia open source drivers for example).
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> MasterGeek, the only development that's impeded is hardware acceleration drivers, which are available for us already (for linux anyway)... So we have OpenGL and OpenMAX available to take advantage of the GPU. We can also use a simple framebuffer, which we don't need documentation for.
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and yeah, some people believe that we'll be able to reverse engineer the binary blob
[13:10] <MasterGeek> so it will be easy to boot from a usb drive ?
[13:10] <tntexplosivesltd> that's part of the boot script, so yeah
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> You willl need a SD card
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> but you can tehn boot ffrom the SD
[13:11] <MasterGeek> so the bootloader is a no go then ?
[13:11] <mjr> first stage bootloader is also a proprietary broadcom blob, and needs to be on the SD card
[13:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, you'll need the bootcode on the SD card and then you can run whatever code you want (including loading instructions from USB)
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> It does not boot from USB without a SD card ...
[13:12] <mjr> it loads the second stage also from the SD card, but that second stage may, if it wants, continue the process from usb
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> so you could have something like uboot on the sdcard and whatever arbitary code you want on USB
[13:12] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah first stage is all tied up in the GPU, it's lo
[13:12] <tntexplosivesltd> * it's annoying
[13:12] <MasterGeek> sucks
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[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> MasterGeek, but yes, there are problems associated with the blob which not everyone is happy with. But this low level stuff isn't what it's designed for. It's designed for python and other high level languages.
[13:13] <rz2k> for $25 it is not so bad.
[13:13] <MasterGeek> so no chance to use pi in teaching kids embedded C
[13:13] <mjr> It's not particularly annoying that the first stage must be on the SD card - it's a reasonable choice to try and boot this sort of chip. The blobbiness is still annoying.
[13:13] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
[13:13] <drazyl> MasterGeek why?
[13:13] <tntexplosivesltd> erm... yes you can...
[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> MasterGeek, that's a big conclusion.
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> or big claim rather
[13:14] <mjr> a silly conclusion, even
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> If by embedded - you mean lowest level bootloader design, and bringup of the chip - no
[13:14] <tntexplosivesltd> MasterGeek: what do you think embedded C is?
[13:14] <MasterGeek> SpeedEvil, +
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> At least in the sense of you can only do the second stage bootloader effectively.
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> mini2440 is probably a reasonable alternative
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128MB-ARM9-mini2440-S3C2440-Development-4-layer-board-Kit-3-5-Touch-Screen-LCD-/290673594959?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item43ad7f124f
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, by that definition, sure.
[13:15] <rz2k> its rather old
[13:17] <tntexplosivesltd> old = everyone's done everything for it already, makes your job easier =D
[13:17] <tntexplosivesltd> rather than trying to work with new tech
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[13:18] <MasterGeek> yer i like the look of the new dual 1.2 panda to be honest
[13:19] <Hexxeh> Today's the last day Farnell can dispatch and have them delivered this week, right?
[13:19] <Hexxeh> To meet the claimed WB 12th March delivery dates
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[13:20] <ukscone> morning all
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[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> MasterGeek, just wondering, are you actually teaching kids low level bootcode programming or is that a hypothetical?
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, 'morning
[13:22] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: hi. how's the underside of the world? it's a tiny bit chilly this morning
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Bringup of a linux class chip is typically several orders of magnitude harder than a normal embedded controller with onboard RAM+ROM
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[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> nice and sunny, but when you think it's a good day to ride your motorbike to uni, it starts pouring rain.... typical melbourne weather.
[13:24] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i knew we should never have let Liz go off and slide down mountains -- knew she should have stayed home and worked on raspi related stuff -- much safer
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[13:25] <ukscone> the orst that could have happened would have been a nasty paper cut
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> paper cuts can be pretty bad =/
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[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> especially cardboard ones
[13:26] <ukscone> yeah they can get infected
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> I once cut my arm off with a post-it note.
[13:26] <ukscone> leading to amputation
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> It got better though.
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, happens
[13:27] <ukscone> i have one atm except it's an aluminium foil cut
[13:28] <ukscone> was wrapping the wife's lunch sandwich this morning and just caught the edge
[13:28] <Hexxeh> Eeek, RS Online are saying end of March now for first batch orders?
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't think that was possible =/
[13:28] <ukscone> oh and by the way for all yanks in here please note the I next to the final UM
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, what did they say before?
[13:29] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: No idea, but I'd assumed their timescales were similar to Farnell
[13:29] <shirro> ukscone: the rest of the commonwealth is with you on the spelling
[13:29] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: melbourne sounds a lot like NZ
[13:29] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, I'd imagine it would be
[13:29] <shirro> melbourne is just wellington without the wind
[13:29] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[13:30] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, goddamn wellington wind
[13:30] <ukscone> shirro: i always point yanks to this song for aluminium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxQmV0Sd6qo
[13:30] <tntexplosivesltd> strong enough to stop you being able to walk at times
[13:30] <ukscone> shirro: ShiftPlusOne have you heard of the hell pizza?
[13:31] <shirro> tntexplosivesltd: the airport is fascinating. sideways planes
[13:31] <tntexplosivesltd> oh man, so many awesome landing videos
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[13:32] <ukscone> http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/03/13/pkg-moos-pizza-roulette.cnn
[13:32] <shirro> tntexplosivesltd: yeah, I might go watch some instead of going to bed. Or watch a ferry. Life is so boring and predictable here.
[13:33] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: where are you from?
[13:33] <shirro> south australia
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ....wwwwhy? O_o
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[13:34] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not got the foggiest but you foreigners are weird :)
[13:35] <shirro> tntexplosivesltd: hot, flat, dry, no wind, no earthquakes (not in this part of state anyway). I like Wellington.
[13:37] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: =D
[13:37] <tntexplosivesltd> it
[13:37] <tntexplosivesltd> 's pretty great
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, you know the stereotype that japan is all strange? If you actually go to Japan, other than people doing things a bit different, you have to look around to actually find the strange "only in Japan" things. So yeah, I wouldn't attribute the 'odd' things you come across to anything that's actually relevant to the culture in question. But I may be overexplaining the obvious here >.>
[13:38] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: nope all foreigners are weird :)
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[13:38] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: actually let me rephrase that
[13:38] <ukscone> all foreigners west of ireland and east of germany are weird
[13:39] <tntexplosivesltd> typical brit
[13:39] <ukscone> i can cope with most of wurope but the rest is confuzzling
[13:40] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: actually i am probably an honourary yank by now :( as in about 2 years i'll have been in the USA as long as i was in the UK
[13:40] <tntexplosivesltd> heh that's worse... XD
[13:40] <shirro> ukscone: has your IQ dropped much?
[13:41] <Hexxeh> Does anyone actually know what's going on with shipping of devices?
[13:41] <ukscone> i liked mainland europe though, used to spend sumemrs just wandering around germany and the netherlands and transiting through france on the way to greece, italy and switzerland
[13:41] <Hexxeh> Not heard anything changing for about a week now
[13:41] <ukscone> shirro: yeah at least 50 points
[13:41] <shirro> Don't worry, you get it back when you cross the atlantic the other way.
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[13:42] <MasterGeek> srr ShiftPlusOne i was called away from me desk, well the idea is to try to teach kids low level control of IC's in general.
[13:44] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: stay in one irc window will ya :) it gets confusing otherwise :)
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> MasterGeek, wouldn't simple AVR/PIC micros be a more suitable starting point? I am not sure I'd be able to write the raspberry pi bootcode even if all the documentation was available, let alone a kid being introduced to the concepts.
[13:44] <shirro> I am hoping the reason for the delay now is that boards are being shipped out to every country for a co-ordinated launch. If I have to watch weeks of unboxings I am going to be ill
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[13:45] <MasterGeek> yer we have been working with pics, on some micro bots, but the older kids want more
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's encouraging
[13:45] <tntexplosivesltd> ukscone: =D okay, this is my home
[13:45] <shirro> MasterGeek: what age?
[13:45] <MasterGeek> 6-12
[13:45] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
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[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> You must be a good teacher
[13:46] <shirro> Wow! I can't wait until Mr 4yo acquires better language skills.
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[13:46] <MasterGeek> lol, nah im just a techie
[13:46] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time night
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh crap, cut the yank-bashing, Sean's here.
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[13:46] <IT_Sean> ...
[13:47] <IT_Sean> ... ...
[13:47] <Matt> lol
[13:47] <IT_Sean>
[13:47] <IT_Sean>
[13:47] <des2> Hexxeh it's apparently unreasonable to expect them to update the actual RPi status, except after the fact.
[13:47] <Hourd> MasterGeek: need more like you
[13:48] <MasterGeek> gime a job then
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[13:48] <MasterGeek> srr , joke
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[13:54] <shirro> Bloody RS. Sending me emails that say nothing I didn't know.
[13:54] <ukscone> oh what have i done to deserve this? :( i have to install win7 or 8 and visualstudio on a computer for a project i start next week -- i must have done something terrible for karma to decide i need punishing
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[13:55] <Hourd> ukscone: =[
[13:55] <drazyl> shirro - at least they're communicating something, I've heard nothing from Farnell
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[13:59] <shirro> drazyl: At least I can see my order in their system. Actually I am seeing it a bit often. I think I am turning OCD.
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[14:02] <MasterGeek> ukscone, lol
[14:02] <drazyl> shirro: I know what you mean, but I'd like some sort of update from Farnell to reassure me I still exist. At least RS have done that. At the moment I have an order that has no delivery date (Farnell) and a promise that I'll be able to order with no date (RS). Neither are really worth much, but I like the fact RS know I exist.
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[14:03] <shirro> Oh, I am sure Farnell know. They probably have a list of who checks their order most per day and are putting bets on us.
[14:04] <lennard> I can see my Farnell order
[14:04] <lennard> the status just has been setting on 'backorder' for ages
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[14:07] <shirro> lennard: One day soon it will say shipped....or cancelled. If this drags on I dare them to change them all to cancelled on April 1st.
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[14:34] <des2> I received a 'Raspberry PI' update from RS
[14:34] <des2> Hello to all our Raspberry Pi followers - UPDATE ALERT!
[14:34] <des2> Firstly, we are very grateful for all the patience you have shown as we deal with the tremendous interest in the Raspberry Pi - it has been phenomenal and it is fantastic that there is so much enthusiasm for it out there.
[14:34] <sraue> and it answers nothing....
[14:34] <des2> We know how keen you all are to get your hands on the product and get programming, however Raspberry Pi has made us aware of a ?manufacturing hiccup? with the initial batch that came to light following additional testing. Fortunately the problem is only minor and Raspberry Pi is working to correct it. A full explanation can be found on the Raspberry Pi website We?re continuing to work closely with
[14:34] <des2> the Raspberry Pi foundation to minimise any delay in getting the Raspberry Pi to you and hope that you will bear with us a little longer. We?ll keep updating our FAQs to give you information as we receive it.
[14:35] <des2> A lot of you have also asked about how we are managing our queue, and when you?ll be invited to place your order for a Raspberry Pi. We?re going to be receiving the boards in batches, so as we receive confirmation that the batches are ready, we?ll be inviting people in on a first-come, first served basis, from time of original registration, to place orders on our new Raspberry Pi online store. The
[14:35] <des2> invitations will be sent to groups that match the number of boards we have available, to ensure that if you place an order, we?re able to take it and tell you when we can ship your Raspberry Pi.
[14:35] <des2> Thanks again for your patience, and we?ll be in touch again next week for a further update.
[14:35] <Hexxeh> Anything from Farnell?
[14:36] <drazyl> " "
[14:36] <Hexxeh> "This means that the first tranche of boards should still go out to customers as we were expecting."
[14:36] <Hexxeh> quoted from the blog
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[14:36] <Hexxeh> farnell said boards would start arriving this week
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[14:37] <ironzorg> hurray \o/
[14:37] <Hexxeh> but it's thursday, and nothing has shipped yet
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[14:37] <Hexxeh> unless they all go out today, that's not gonna happen this week
[14:37] <des2> Well we do have a complete update on Liz's knee condition.
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[15:02] <mkopack> Hey gang
[15:03] <bnmorgan> allo
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[15:03] <mkopack> so I assume everyone else got the useless email from RS today?
[15:03] <Hexxeh> yeah
[15:03] <bnmorgan> who?
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[15:03] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: I got one
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[15:04] <des2> Another $20 32 gig USB flashdrive: (really tiny): http://www.directron.com/pfd32ghp165ef.html
[15:04] <mkopack> RS, one of the 2 licensed sellers of the RPi
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[15:04] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: An email, not ...
[15:04] <mkopack> Speed: Gotchya :)
[15:04] <mkopack> des: NICE find! Damn that IS tiny!
[15:04] <Hourd> mkopack: nope no email here =[
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> In short 'Pi is not available yet due to the manufacturing error - we'll contact you gain when we might have a date for your order'
[15:05] <mkopack> Hourd: don't sweat it??? it didn't give us any new info...
[15:05] <mkopack> In fact it was quite vague
[15:05] <Hourd> heh the same one we hahve had twice alreadt?
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> is the error still the ethernet jacks or is it something else?
[15:05] <mkopack> "In a couple weeks"
[15:05] <mkopack> don't forget that part
[15:05] <mkopack> I nearly died when I saw that
[15:05] <mkopack> I assume it's the ethernet jacks
[15:05] <mkopack> RS seems to be WAY behind on their news
[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh.... the pandora was eternally just 2 months away. I think raspberry pi has been just 2 weeks away for quite a while now.
[15:06] <Mazon> because they live and breathe for raspberrypi
[15:06] <mkopack> Damn des, you're the frickin man when it comes to finding cheap hardware!
[15:07] <mkopack> Free shipping on that no less!
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Only in US though
[15:07] <mkopack> hehe, well, I'm IN the US :)
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> I should get you to buy one and mail it to me for a small fee.
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> But I don't actually need that ATM
[15:08] <mkopack> I don't really need it either, but still a good find
[15:08] <bnmorgan> same, i carry 3 16g i got for free around and don't use any of them much
[15:10] <bnmorgan> still have a estimated ship date of 03apr12 on my rpi
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[15:11] <mkopack> Yeah, I don't think they've been updating the ship dates???. probably hoping that they can still get enough product built int time to get them shipped out on time
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[15:11] <mkopack> Or they'll pull a Delta Airlines and wait until the flight is already 10 minutes late to update the status to SAY it's delayed
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[15:12] <bnmorgan> heh, better than getting on the plane and they hold you for 30 minutes before they tell you the plane is broken and now you don't have time to drive an hour and a half to catch your connecting flight
[15:12] <bnmorgan> =delta connections in tupelo ms
[15:13] <mkopack> yeah, love that too
[15:13] <des2> All shipdates should be NFC.
[15:14] <stuk_gen> nfc?
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[15:14] <des2> No Frikkin Clue
[15:14] <stuk_gen> lol...
[15:14] <stuk_gen> i mean near field communication
[15:14] <stuk_gen> :D
[15:16] <mkopack> LOL
[15:16] <mkopack> Yeah, I thought you meant near field lol
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[15:17] <theos> hi is there a way to buy raspberry pi in india?
[15:17] <rm> there isn't a way to buy it anywhere
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[15:17] <drazyl> oooh, harsh but true
[15:18] <stuk_gen> rm: ahaha true!
[15:18] <des2> Yes apparently Farnell will sell to India.
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[15:18] <Hourd> this has probably been asked alot but what are pandaboards like?
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[15:18] <rm> go to the website and do a search for "India", what do you see http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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[15:19] <rm> Hourd, wikipedia://PandaBoard
[15:19] <rm> what kind of question is that
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[15:19] <des2> ndia
[15:19] <des2> Rupee 2550
[15:19] <des2>
[15:19] <des2> Subject to applicable national and local taxes
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[15:19] <victhor> I thought you could only have up to 999 rupees
[15:19] <des2> From the chart on the frontpage of raspberrypi.org
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[15:20] <SgrA> victhor: ...
[15:20] <mkopack> I'd be tempted to grab a Pandaboard or Beagleboard, but damn the prices are rather high compared to the Pi
[15:21] <rm> get a pogoplug
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[15:21] <rm> if you are in a country to where the sodding thing ships
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Pogoplugs are annoyingly...
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> that
[15:21] <victhor> the pandaboard has lots of stuff though
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[15:21] <MasterGeek> yer i like the look of the panda,
[15:21] <drazyl> probably want to keep that to yourself
[15:22] <MasterGeek> why ?
[15:22] <MasterGeek> lol
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[15:22] <MasterGeek> yer i like the look of the pandaboard
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[15:25] <theos> eh
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[15:26] <des2> So expensive.
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[15:29] <theos> model A is cheap. model B is costly
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[15:30] <theos> its weird they arent selling model A. only model B, if any
[15:30] <drazyl> not really, the first run is for early adopters/developers who probably want network connectivity
[15:30] <drazyl> model A is more aimed at school one-per-child setups, and that isn't ready to roll yet
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[15:31] <theos> hmm
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[15:31] <theos> but that MODEL A is 25$. as advertised on their site :)
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[15:32] <drazyl> yes
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[15:33] <theos> and thats not available :/
[15:33] <mkopack> theos: so you have 2 options: either pay the $10 more to get the B now, OR wait and get the A when it comes out. Simple.
[15:34] <theos> yup. or 3rd, buy something else :/
[15:34] <mkopack> Hell,. I'll spend the $10 difference on lunch today??? and that's if I'm lucky I'll only spend that much
[15:34] <des2> "10 more to get the B now" If only you could get it now and not in 4 months.
[15:34] <Hourd> rm: i meant are they good, i've looked them up just wasnted opinions
[15:34] <mkopack> des: well, there IS that :)
[15:35] <rm> I see
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[15:36] <mkopack> Ouchie! Sounds like Liz had a bit of an accident on their ski trip??? messed up her knee good
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[15:37] <mkopack> As somebody who's had knee problems, I cringe in sympathy pains
[15:37] <drazyl> theos if you find something else similar for $25 let us know
[15:37] <OneFix_Work> Anyone planning on doing a rPi build of BackTrack 5? It would make a nice open source version of a PwniePlug
[15:37] <mkopack> What's BackTrack 5 ?
[15:38] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: A pen testing Linux distro based on Ubuntu
[15:38] <drazyl> it's a security/hacking distro
[15:38] <mkopack> Ah, interesting
[15:38] <des2> For some reason mkopack I'm still more interested in where the 10,000 PIs are than Liz's knee xrays.
[15:39] <mkopack> YEahm you see how they're starting to use the SheevaPlug (and similars) for espionage and/or giving them to rebels in countries to use as clandestine internet devices ?
[15:39] <OneFix_Work> And the PwnPlug is an ARM based wall wart that can be used to pen test a network internally with little to no visibility.
[15:39] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, that's the Pwnie Express
[15:39] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: http://pwnieexpress.com/
[15:39] <victhor> well once you gain physical access to the network you can do pretty much everything :P
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[15:40] <mkopack> des: Oh I agree, but I can sympathize with her plight??? Knee probs are NO fun??? And hey, they had to cancel this trip back in Dec, so I think they're allowed to go on vaca.. The chinese manufacturing problem wasn't her fault.
[15:41] <OneFix_Work> victhor: Yea, but it used to require knowledge and maybe a little bit of visibility. Now, someone could use the 3G version of one of these to simply try out areas to hack...
[15:41] <mkopack> vic: Yup, and the beauty of the Plugs are that they're small and basically look just like any otherPower adaptor, so you plug it in under a desk, hook it into a network, and unless they have some serious network security running to detect unknown MAC addresses and block them, it's nearly impossible to find
[15:41] <des2> Hey I hope they have fun on their vacation but less knee updates more where are the PIs updates.
[15:41] <OneFix_Work> victhor: The main tool used in this is MetaSploit with Fast-Track 4.0
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[15:46] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: And with the rPi, a custom case could be built that would make the box invisible to everyone except the pen tester
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[15:46] <drazyl> just make it a white case with an apple logo on it and stick it in a managers office
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[15:47] <mkopack> OneFix: yeah??? If you make it look like something that would just seem obvious to be there, it would be very easily overlooked
[15:48] <des2> A lot easier to make a plug computer invisible than the PI
[15:48] <mkopack> The only thing that might give it away is the ethernet wire going into it.
[15:48] <piofcube> You could just mount it in an actual hub LOL
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[15:48] <passstab> which you can cut
[15:49] <OneFix_Work> drazyl: NAh, I'm thinking more about something like this ... http://www.amazon.com/HP-PhotoSmart-Printer-Adapter-Charger/dp/B004ETQ1RO
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[15:49] <mkopack> Well, when you're doing stuff like that subversively, you typically don't have a lot of time??? You need to get access, install it and get out before anyone gets suspicious
[15:49] <drazyl> OneFix_Work that might do, or if you can find an external jetdirect box...
[15:49] <OneFix_Work> drazyl: Modify it with smaller parts that make it perform the same function
[15:50] <piofcube> So you get the same make/model they already have and swap it out for yours ;-)
[15:51] <piofcube> they wouldn't even notice you hot-swapping the networks cables if you do it fast enough.
[15:51] <OneFix_Work> drazyl: Yea, that's true. That's apparently how the US gov got into the Iraqi missile defense system. They were HP printers that had been modified with code that forced the defense computers offline when they began their attack.
[15:51] <mkopack> pio: Yeah, *IF* you can get access to the network closet.
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[15:51] <mkopack> Who the hell looks under a desk to see what's plugged in?
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[15:52] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, there is also a lot of space in most standard desktop UPSes
[15:52] <piofcube> mkopack: Depends on the place... Some still have ad-hoc hubs all over the place when they only dropped one cable down and now they need 3 PCs at that point. But theis is just theory ;-)
[15:53] <mkopack> Yeah, there's just a lot of options. You'd need to do some scouting of your target to figure out a good spot to hide it
[15:53] <drazyl> lots of offices do, we have here because there is no real structure cabling (it's a converted barn)
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[15:53] <mkopack> Pio: yeah like my office??? WTF were they thinking??? We TRIED to tell them when they built out the space to put at least 3 drops into every cube, but Nooooo. 2 only, 1 for each network??? I don't even USE one of the networks, so that drop is a waste.
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[15:54] <mkopack> So instead I have this big 24 Port switch under my desk (it was a spare we had laying around) just so I can have 2 computers plugged in
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[15:56] <piofcube> I always insisted on dropping a few extra cables down. Most of my clients thought I was trying to add more on the price but when I showed them it would cost only an extra 5% instead of costing a lot more to run new cables at a later point... They quickly came round to my thinking... Even if I didn't wire them up, they would be there ready for when they did need them and quite often, a year later they would be back asking me to stick more w
[15:57] <mkopack> Yup
[15:58] <mkopack> You can be sure that my next house will be completely wired, with a network closet and a 1/2 rack for NAS, a home server, and patch panel
[15:58] <mkopack> For Cat5, phone and cable TV
[15:59] <des2> Cat 5 ?!
[15:59] <des2> So behind the times.
[15:59] <mkopack> I did a 12 port punch panel and a normal small 8 port workgroup switch that I hung on the wall in the laundry closest, but it's a bit messy...
[15:59] <OneFix_Work> piofcube: Another good option is to run some good old-fashioned string along side the cables...and, you can just run another bundle of string with your last pull.
[15:59] <piofcube> If your'e going to buy a reel or two of cat5, you might aswell do the whole thing :-) It's cheap enough.
[15:59] <mkopack> Well, whatever the current standard is??? I think I used 5e last time around
[16:00] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Why wired? Why not wireless???
[16:00] <mkopack> I have both
[16:00] <mkopack> Wired is FASTER
[16:00] <mkopack> And in my house, more secure.
[16:00] <mkopack> jerk off next door can't op on and use it
[16:00] <piofcube> OneFix_Work: I've done that on long, straight runs before... Where I can just yank the cable through without having to worry about snags :-)
[16:00] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, but not even video streaming needs more than 54Mbps
[16:01] <mkopack> Still, I prefer wired
[16:01] <hotwings> same here
[16:01] <mkopack> At least for my fixed machines, like the Mac Pro and the Mini (with the Drobo attached to it)
[16:01] <hotwings> especially when moving big files.. i <3 my gigabit lan
[16:01] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Agreed, but if you're going to the trouble of wiring it, it has to be fiber, not copper
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[16:01] <mkopack> Who the F has switches that deal with fiber?
[16:01] <mkopack> (consumer grade)
[16:02] <Matt> I was gonna say
[16:02] <Matt> I deal with plenty of folk who use fibre
[16:02] <hotwings> or wants to pay all the extra cost for fiber
[16:02] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: I know someone that wired their house with fiber
[16:02] <des2> Sadly, the onlything using fiber these days still is audio
[16:02] <Matt> I just setup a switch stack last week that was uplinked via fibre
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[16:03] <mkopack> And I just hate how in my house, the Cable modem comes in over here, the Cable TV over there, the phone comes into the house over there, the SatTV line drop was over in this other spot, etc. I have cables all over the F'ing place
[16:03] <hotwings> [07:59:58] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, but not even video streaming needs more than 54Mbps <-- some people have more than one client that may (and often) be streaming at the same time
[16:03] <OneFix_Work> des2: Not at all, fiber is used more and more in the data center...10G ethernet only works on fiber.
[16:03] <mkopack> Next house, everything comes into the house in 1 spot. And then *I* distribute it from there using the punch panel + patches
[16:03] <mkopack> WYA cleaner
[16:03] <Matt> OneFix_Work: eh? say what now?
[16:04] <drazyl> OneFix_Work interestingly Dell use HDMI for the 10G switch-switch interconnects on some switches
[16:04] <piofcube> That's a thing that has puzzled me... Most devices these days have optical out for audio (and they're cheap as chips) but not many cheap devices that use optical input (hifis, amps, etc)...
[16:04] <Matt> you can do 10G over copper
[16:04] <drazyl> the optical out for audio has lower bandwidth than the copper connects I believe
[16:04] <OneFix_Work> Matt: 10G ethernet needs fiber to run at 10G speeds, running 10G ethernet on copper is like running 1G ethernet on Cat-3 cable
[16:04] <Matt> 10GbaseT for a start
[16:04] <Matt> and there's SFP+ based stuffs
[16:05] <mkopack> You know, I bought a stack of Optical cables to hook up all my AV gear with optical audio instead of doing it over the HDMI, and I STILL haven't gotten around to switching them over
[16:05] <mkopack> Maybe I'll get some free time this summer to do it
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[16:06] <piofcube> I was looking for a 5.1 amp for my lounge last week. I need three audio optical inputs but all I found was way too expensive :-(
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[16:07] <Matt> drazyl: using hdmi for stacking is quite normal
[16:07] <Matt> netgear put 24Gb over theirs IIRC
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[16:07] <drazyl> piofcube no way of using multiple hdmi to tv and optical tv-amp ?
[16:07] <drazyl> Matt first time I'd seen it, but not had to buy new switches for a couple of years
[16:08] <piofcube> The TV in the lounge isn't HD yet... I'll be changing that later this year.
[16:08] <Matt> drazyl: it seems pretty typical for lower mid-range stuff
[16:08] <OneFix_Work> piofcube: Are you just looking for an HDMI switch?
[16:09] <Matt> once you get into the higher end stuff they're still using dedicated stacking interfaces I think
[16:09] <drazyl> Matt last lot were all SFP for stacking
[16:09] <piofcube> OneFix_Work: Either a multi-input DAC or an actual amp that can take in 3 optical inputs
[16:09] <Matt> drazyl: I've not seen much of that
[16:10] <Matt> typically there's a dedicated slot in the back for one or two stacking interfaces
[16:10] <hotwings> looks like 1000' spool of cat6 is around $300.. 1000' spool of fiber is $900+ single mode
[16:10] <Matt> then you get into chassis type switches with a backplane
[16:10] <Matt> hotwings: single mode is always $$$ tho
[16:11] <Matt> single mode transceivers are pricy too, compared to multimode
[16:12] <hotwings> wasnt sure what to look for so i just clicked what was first on the list :)
[16:12] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: That's kind of expensive, where are you getting your pricing from?
[16:12] <Matt> last time I checked, a single mode gig-e SFP was in the region of 3x the price of multimode
[16:13] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - just quick googling
[16:13] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: 1000' spool of cat6 for ~$100 ... http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10234
[16:14] <hotwings> you can probably find it cheaper on ebay. no guarantee of quality though
[16:16] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Well, MonoPrice is definitely selling a quality product. Also, it's usually better to buy pre-made fiber cables...because the stuff to make your own tends to be a bit fidgety
[16:16] <piofcube> I have a few high quality cat5 patch cables that will quite happily work at cat6 speeds.. Though not many. Found that out by accident when I upgraded my house to '6 but ran out of patch leads and had to use the old ones while I ordered more.
[16:17] <Matt> OneFix_Work: not to mention expensive
[16:17] <OneFix_Work> Matt: Not as much as it used to be...
[16:17] <Matt> piofcube: 5e will happily run at gig-e speeds
[16:17] <mkopack> Yup, using it at home :)
[16:17] <Matt> 5 is touchy at best
[16:18] <hotwings> piofcube - same here. i had a ton cat5 and figured before i spend money i might as well give it a try. cat5 worked great for me @ gigabit so i never had to buy any cable
[16:18] <Matt> we've got one customer who wired their whole building with 6a
[16:18] <Matt> and complained about it :)
[16:18] <Matt> 6a is a bitch to run in comparison to 5e or 6
[16:18] <hotwings> the longest run is probably around 75ft
[16:18] <piofcube> hotwings: :-)
[16:19] <Matt> you have to spec larger conduits and it's a pain to bend so you can fit it through runs and into sockets
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[16:20] <piofcube> I once laid fire alarm cables (if you can call them cables)... never again :-S
[16:21] <Matt> it's like running TV coax
[16:21] <OneFix_Work> Matt: You can find a 40 meter (~130ft) cable for $35 here ... http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10237&cs_id=1023704&p_id=7627&seq=1&format=2
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[16:21] <Matt> then again, nothing quite compares to running thicknet :D
[16:22] <piofcube> matt: this stuff was metal tubing filled with powder... nasty stuff
[16:22] <Matt> apart from possibly installing a soaker-hose in the garden, or installing PEX
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[16:23] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: And at $35 for ~130ft, you could buy a little more than 1000ft of it for $280
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[16:26] <mkopack> Interesting: http://hackaday.com/2009/11/21/review-mbed-nxp-lpc1768-microcontroller/
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[16:28] <SBeans> hola
[16:29] <mkopack> welcome SBeans
[16:29] <ddss|mips> this smith and wesson
[16:29] <cjbaird> I've got an mbed. Not very easy to program with FOSS tools. The community about it 'are Windows programmers' in attitude ('hey this free-as-in-beer licenced compiler is neat'). It can do some nice tricks, though: http://jumentum.sourceforge.net/lpc1768-video.html
[16:29] <ddss|mips> gonna teach you haters a lesson
[16:31] <cjbaird> (and the free-beer mbed compiler is actually a TiVo-ised version of GCC-3.x, with a licence daemon hooking itself into the system. Nasty.)
[16:31] <ddss|mips> lol basic
[16:32] <cjbaird> Hmm. I was probably confused with the PIC32 free-beer compiler there..
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[16:33] <mkopack> Oh sweet! PiDuino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5c1Dfaf57g
[16:33] <cjbaird> In my Copious Amounts of Free Time, I'd like to munge the Jumentum code into being a old-school terminal emulator (ADM3A, VT100, H19...) and bung it on my CP/M SBC for added win. :)
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[16:34] <des2> Adm 3a !
[16:34] <rob_> any news on when they boards will arrive in the UK?
[16:34] <ddss|mips> before anywhere else
[16:34] <des2> http://bytecollector.com/lsi.htm
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[16:35] <mkopack> Also sounds like Adafruit.com is working on a series of "PiPlates" (shields for the Pi)
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[16:37] <cjbaird> I want something with raster-style stripboard (veroboard), or at least some sensible run traces. The point-to-point on every Arduino shield is a PITA.
[16:38] <des2> Yeah really annoying that arduino didn't follow the .1 standard.
[16:43] <BCMM> mkopack: shiny! got a link?
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[16:43] <mkopack> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/03/14/adafruit-experimenting-with-pi-plates-for-raspberry_pi-shields-for-the-raspberry-pi/
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[16:43] <BCMM> it would be cool if somebody put together an (optional) standard form-factor for addons
[16:43] <mkopack> They don't say what sort of "Pi Plates" they are working on, just that they're looking into it and have plans for several
[16:43] <mkopack> THIS really interests me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5c1Dfaf57g PiDuino!
[16:44] <BCMM> so one could produce a case with space for a daughterboard
[16:44] <mkopack> BCMM: Yeah, tha'ts a concern...
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[16:52] <mkopack> That PiDuino really interests me??? It would power the RPi, give you direct interface to an Arduino, and the shields.
[16:53] <mkopack> I already have an Arduino Uno and Mega, and a number of shields, so this would allow me to reuse my investment in those shields??? I like that
[16:55] <BCMM> presumably powers it through the GPIO pins?
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[16:56] <Hourd> sounds interesting
[16:57] <mkopack> I assume?
[16:57] <mkopack> Would love to have a router to etch boards the way they did in that video??? Make life a LOT easier when doing circuit design
[16:57] <jthunder> just checking back in - are there any links to order a unit?
[16:57] <mkopack> Instead of dealing with perf boards and wire and soldering hell
[16:58] <mkopack> jthunder: Which country you in?
[16:58] <jthunder> Canada
[16:58] <mkopack> go to Newark Canada
[16:58] <mkopack> And they aren't actually shipping yet, and WAY WAY backordered, so don't expect to order today and have it next week
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[17:00] <mkopack> there was a small issue (wrote Ethernet jacks) with the first 10,000 units that caused them to be sent back to the factory in china for reworking. We're still waiting on those to go out.
[17:00] <jthunder> their site is "Express Interest" only
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[17:00] <SBeans> hola CarpNet
[17:00] <mkopack> Ah??? Hmmm??? Newark US was that way as well, but then there was another link that took you right to the product page to order directly
[17:00] <jthunder> thanks mkopack
[17:01] <mkopack> Best I can tell you is to register interest and sit tight??? EVERYONE is waiting right now, even those of us who have actual orders placed
[17:02] <SBeans> idd
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[17:03] <SBeans> well I think the eta for my PI is the 15th of Next month. And then next batch to seem to be a month after that
[17:04] <mkopack> SBeans: Yeah, well, I wouldn't hold your breath for that to happen at this point.
[17:05] <mkopack> Until we start seeing/hearing reports of people receiving units, I'd say any date any of us has is a "best f'ing guess" by the companies, and probably only gives us an idea of relative order of who's going to get theirs before whom.
[17:05] <wjoe_> I've given up trying to guess. got an email saying it had been pushed back a month, supposedly that's a mistake, but mid april sounds optimistic
[17:05] <SBeans> totally agree
[17:05] <mkopack> I have one for March 30, and a 2nd order that's showing April 2...
[17:06] <mkopack> Some people had orders for March 14??? ANd they certainly didn't get theirs...
[17:06] <SBeans> I hope that it will be early, or at least we shall see some units get out there early. I am fully ready to wait another month or so.
[17:06] <mkopack> So??? I think we're all just waiting to see what the resolution with the Ethernet port is
[17:06] <SBeans> yes
[17:06] <traeak> desolder ethernet and send them out
[17:06] <traeak> :-p
[17:07] <wjoe_> enjoy your model As!
[17:07] <mkopack> lol
[17:07] <traeak> b-
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[17:08] <SBeans> I am planning to do some fun stuff, just like every other person, but the I am really looking forward to seeing some over engineered, pointless applications of the PI
[17:08] <traeak> they need to get pi's into people's hands
[17:09] <traeak> first priority
[17:09] <mchou> SBeans: what are you planning to do with yours?
[17:09] <wjoe_> I'm almost as excited about other people getting a pi, as I am about getting one myself. just to see what can be done
[17:09] <SBeans> um, wow good question
[17:09] <mchou> lol
[17:09] <SBeans> mainly I have plans to make plans,
[17:09] <wjoe_> it's all still a bit of a mystery until people have them, besides the few dev boards out there
[17:09] <SBeans> one of which is a Univeral Console
[17:09] <SBeans> (and Idea that many seem to have)
[17:09] <mchou> what's a universal console?
[17:10] <SBeans> I want to have a black box system that allows multiple controller support, multiple platforms etc.
[17:10] <traeak> i guess one would be emulation
[17:10] <SBeans> All the consoles (and platforms you can game on)
[17:10] <wjoe_> basically an emulator platform
[17:10] <traeak> should push on the humble bumble folks to release pi versions
[17:10] <wjoe_> hmm, yeah
[17:10] <traeak> be nice to foster new console development as well
[17:11] <mchou> bah
[17:11] <traeak> but that's being too hopeful
[17:11] <mchou> I'd just get a wii and call it a day :)
[17:11] <traeak> wiis for 150 nowadays
[17:11] <traeak> big PITA on wii is having to always swap disks
[17:11] <traeak> or just hack it and use a hard drive (like i do)
[17:11] <wjoe_> well they have linux versions, just needs to be compiled for ARM, unless there are some awkward CPU/GPU-specific things that need to be worked with
[17:11] <traeak> but i never play it
[17:11] <SBeans> but the Idea, would be to make the UniversalConsole (UC) modular so that anyone can add controller support or a new platform, emulator or whatever
[17:11] <traeak> and frankly a wii is less capable than an RPI
[17:11] <traeak> except for having publishers, etc
[17:12] <mchou> wjoe_: umm, byte alignment is going to be a pain in the ass
[17:12] <wjoe_> oh? I don't know much about low level stuff like that, is that an ARM thing?
[17:12] <traeak> byte alignment for emulation you mean or ?
[17:12] <mchou> I think all you guys are all way too optimistic
[17:13] <mchou> byte alignment in general
[17:13] <mkopack> mchou: In terms of performance? yeah
[17:13] <traeak> of course, hope for the best..but should expect the worst
[17:13] <mchou> gonna have to have lot's of #ifdefs in your code
[17:13] <SBeans> the performance doenst matter too much to me tbh
[17:13] <traeak> for emulation you mean or ?
[17:13] <mchou> mkopack: aint even performance. to WORK
[17:14] <mkopack> hehe
[17:14] <mkopack> ok, BBIAB, gotta fetch some lunch
[17:14] <SBeans> for me this PI is like getting a box of lego and someone saying, well go on, do something!!! it's not too important if you only have a limited number of blocks, or only one colour or no wheels. the key is, to see what we /can/ do
[17:14] <wjoe_> what makes byte alignment an issue though? the CPU architecture?
[17:14] <mchou> wjoe_: yup
[17:14] <wjoe_> ahh
[17:15] <traeak> compiler should handle that
[17:15] <mchou> nope
[17:15] <traeak> if it's specific for emulation fun that's a specific issue
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[17:15] <SBeans> im quite scared of havign to learn about low level stuff. But thats definitly OK!
[17:15] <mchou> compiler certainly doesn't handle that
[17:15] <wjoe_> haha, that. I just don't know low level stuff at all
[17:16] <mchou> that like saying x86_64 code should "just work" on x86_32
[17:16] <mchou> keep dreaming
[17:17] <SBeans> good example, that makes sense to me now.
[17:17] <wjoe_> ha, indeed
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[17:17] <Hourd> mchou: it doesnt? o.O
[17:17] <Hourd> :P
[17:17] <traeak> mchou: i haven't had any problems with x86_64 code just working on x86_32
[17:17] <SBeans> Mostly I love how excited everyone is, its like the whole world of computing is getting ready for some massive constuctive session.
[17:17] <traeak> i haven't had it the other way (32bit code working on 64bit)
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[17:17] <SBeans> does anyone know a rough number of "sales" so far
[17:17] <SBeans> ?
[17:18] <des2> 0 ?
[17:18] <Hourd> 0
[17:18] <SBeans> sorry
[17:18] <des2> no need to apologize
[17:19] <SBeans> *the sum of people who have recieved a pdf saying there gettuing one
[17:19] <SBeans> (thats the only way I can expalin what I meant by "sale")
[17:19] <mjr> the bulk of alignment issues _are_ the compiler's problem and they do a swell job of it, generally. Of course you _can_ manually screw alignment up as a programmer, but that's when you're doing pretty low level stuff
[17:19] <Hourd> 'confirmed' orders
[17:20] <SBeans> lol another word in speech marks
[17:20] <SBeans> at least we've gone from " to '
[17:20] <wjoe_> well, I guess emulation is pretty low level stuff
[17:20] <mchou> mjr: you have no idea what you're talking about
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[17:20] <traeak> mchou one of my experimental libraries had a signature collision due to a dumb mistake on my part (size_t being uin32_t instead of uint64_t) simple fix, moved on
[17:21] <mjr> mchou, I'd trade insults but I shan't bother
[17:21] <mchou> the compiler is going to magically cast appropiate pointers sizes?
[17:21] <des2> Sbeans I'd guestimate 100,000
[17:22] <wjoe_> hm. I definitely hadn't considered CPU architecture differences
[17:22] * SBeans crindges at use of guestimate (:s)
[17:22] <SBeans> 100,000 is pretty big I suppose
[17:23] <SBeans> can't help but think they should have done a staggered release.
[17:23] <traeak> for the most part with my experience i have to agree with MJR on that...but my domain has always been algorithms and engineering. I specifically avoid bit diddling and try to makeit easy on the compiler
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[17:24] <traeak> it's been a while since we had sparc working
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[17:53] <SBeans> im really hoping alot of this ( http://www.botanicalls.com/kits/ ) kind of thing occurs witht he RPI
[17:54] <SBeans> *the
[17:54] <SBeans> or maybe we can setup some insane rude goldberg machine to do something just using PIs
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[17:56] <GabrialDestruir> Encyclopedia Britannica is going out of print o.o
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[17:59] <traeak> grab 'em while they're hot
[17:59] <des2> You can buy an iPad with the savings from not haveing to print it
[17:59] <traeak> collector's items (maybe?)
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[17:59] <traeak> why kill trees when you can get a chinese worker instead ?
[17:59] <traeak> i mean kill a chinese worker instead
[17:59] <drazyl> my dad still has a version data 1800 and something
[17:59] <des2> Foxcon put up nets.
[18:00] <drazyl> great for history homework, it was no use at all for anything scientific
[18:00] <drazyl> 36 BIG volumes plus supplements
[18:01] <traeak> wikipedia! the definitive truth for everything
[18:01] <traeak> hehe
[18:01] <SBeans> 16:56 <+des2> You can buy an iPad with the savings from not haveing to print it
[18:01] <SBeans> or just burn the money
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[18:01] <traeak> or buy something android
[18:01] <traeak> and save money
[18:01] <traeak> ipads are for kids with parents who have too much money
[18:02] <Da|Mummy> and for college students who complain about being in debt....for who knows what reason!
[18:02] <SBeans> ipads are for these guys ...
[18:02] <SBeans> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/new-ipad-queues-start-already-50007292/
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[18:03] <des2> $1,395: http://store.britannica.com/products/ecm001en0?gclid=CMP_wd2w6a4CFUio4Aod1ToQig
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[18:03] <cjbaird> The Openmoko people did a 'Wikireader' palm-sized device for ~$80 with ?4GB of Wikipedia text on it..
[18:03] <SBeans> qnice
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[18:03] <traeak> just need e-ink really
[18:03] <cjbaird> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiReader
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[18:03] <traeak> or something even more basic
[18:03] <SBeans> I want to have a brain activated ear peice that just pipes wiki descriptions into my head
[18:04] <SBeans> and I will just be insaney clever, to any non expert
[18:04] <traeak> but the pictures in a traditional encyclo are cool
[18:04] <traeak> but you can get about the same with national geographic
[18:04] <SBeans> can you remember encarter
[18:04] <GabrialDestruir> $1,395.00 USD
[18:04] <traeak> and a good atlas
[18:04] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[18:04] <des2> Actually the WikiReader is onsale for $15
[18:04] <SBeans> MS Encarter 0 open information sharing (thats free) MANY MANY MORE
[18:05] <cjbaird> The local (Australian) Officeworks stores have the Wikireader, but still at the full price the last time I checked. I'm waiting for them cheap. :)
[18:05] <SBeans> just make a PIReader
[18:05] <GabrialDestruir> I remember Encarta or w/e it was called... lol .-.
[18:05] <GabrialDestruir> Use to actually use it.
[18:05] <SBeans> solved
[18:05] <traeak> probaly not useful though
[18:05] <des2> Wikireader (today only $15): http://1saleaday.com/
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[18:06] <wjoe_> encarta solved many a homework problem in primary school
[18:06] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[18:06] <GabrialDestruir> looks like it's only 9.99 here
[18:06] <traeak> tack on 5usd shippping likely
[18:06] <SBeans> I remember using Encarta at school and thought, wow this beats going to the libray to use books. (it infact didnt, as it was mostly shit, but the idea worked)
[18:06] <des2> The Wikireader can't show any pictures
[18:06] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not really sure I'd use something like that though... lol
[18:07] <SBeans> well thats not good enough, not even pictures of Jimmy Whales?
[18:07] <GabrialDestruir> I have a nook, and a phone with wifi tethering..... I can get the whole e-ink experience that way
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[18:07] <des2> Encarta another failed Microsoft product.
[18:07] <SBeans> how big is /all/ of wikipedia
[18:07] <wjoe_> um
[18:07] <wjoe_> 7GB or so?
[18:07] <SBeans> only one wat to find out...
[18:07] <SBeans> to wikipedia!
[18:08] <wjoe_> I tried downloading a copy of it when it was going down to SOPA
[18:08] <SBeans> lol
[18:08] <traeak> thankfully MS didn't patent it
[18:08] <SBeans> wouldnt have mattered
[18:08] <wjoe_> (because it's not possible to go a day without wikipedia)
[18:08] <traeak> otherwise thy'd be suing wikipedia or something
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[18:08] <GabrialDestruir> Wikipedia currently has 3,896,057 articles in total in the English version alone. (This article count is also available on the main page.)
[18:08] <SBeans> I mean it was probably made by somebody and then microsoft just stole it
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[18:08] <GabrialDestruir> In a past comparison of encyclopedias, Wikipedia had about 1,400,000 articles with 340 million words in total, the Encyclop??dia Britannica had about 85,000 articles with 55 million words in total, and Microsoft's Encarta had about 63,000 articles and 40 million words in total. See: Wikipedia:Size comparisons.
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[18:09] <cjbaird> Encarta was someone MS bought-up.
[18:09] <RITRedbeard> I am Encarta.
[18:09] <des2> English only wikipedia is < 4GB
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[18:09] <SBeans> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encarta
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[18:09] <SBeans> there is something beautiful about visiting that page
[18:09] <SBeans> and the fact we cant do it the other way around
[18:10] <Hourd> hehe
[18:10] <Hourd> yeah
[18:10] <SBeans> i.e. we cant use encarta to view wikipedia
[18:10] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Yea, back in 2007, they figured out that it would take ~1000 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica to print out just all of the text in Wikipedia. That doesn't include tables and images, which would increase the size signifigantly.
[18:10] <GabrialDestruir> The problem with wikipedia though..... is if you're "updating" or something, I imagine it's very easy for your little wikireader to become corrupt
[18:11] <SBeans> well, just have a version, as it is at the time. Then update every month or so. Think that Encylapedia's lasted years
[18:11] <traeak> depends on the upgrade. snapshot then update would be fine...looks like quarterly updates (?)
[18:11] <SBeans> where as they would be "out-of-date" as soon as they were printed
[18:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well, what I mean, is short of someone going through all the articles before releasing an "update" and making sure there isn't spam, or false information, etc, despite how long your update period is, your little wikireader might end up updating on a day where multiple pages have major defacing.
[18:13] <OneFix_Work> Here is a link to the project for wikipedia on dvd ... http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page
[18:13] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Try searching on Wiki-Watch.de ... they have a pretty good system
[18:15] <GabrialDestruir> Though, at 15 bucks a pop, that wikireader thing could make a good present for people still in school
[18:16] <des2> I wonder if it can run linux.
[18:16] <traeak> sounds like kindle is the best cost effective wikipedia viewer
[18:16] <GabrialDestruir> Or a nook
[18:17] <mjr> des2, wikireader? no, it's a very simple system
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[18:17] <traeak> apparently amazon has a special deal with wikipedia for specialy formatted pages
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[18:17] <mkopack> http://www.element14.com/community/events/3237
[18:17] <traeak> my partner says wikipedia is the most useful thing on the kindle
[18:17] <des2> http://www.geardiary.com/2011/01/10/review-the-wikireader/
[18:18] <traeak> aside form book reading
[18:18] <mkopack> Oh, and some interesting info in this link: http://www.premierfarnell.com/premier_farnell/publicrelations/newscentre/?type=press&ref=801
[18:19] <des2> "Also, since this device is based on Linux and OpenMoko, you can hack the device to do what you need it to do although it isn?t near as much fun to hack on as a OpenMoko phone."
[18:19] <traeak> he act5ually bought the kindle thinking he could use it to read pdf papers on his back porch
[18:19] <traeak> apparently it's not well suited to that
[18:19] <mkopack> "Peter Fenech, Gizmo B73 and Jodi Curtis are the proud owners of the amazing credit card sized computer, the Raspberry Pi that launches today on Pi Day" _ so the question is whether that's REALLY released, or just these 3 free units,
[18:19] <des2> Ah yes, Kindle's war against pdf
[18:20] <mkopack> I'll keep my iPad thanks??? Can read PDF, Kind, iBooks AND B&N
[18:20] <wjoe_> I assume it can't actually read kindle ebooks since they're encypted
[18:20] <wjoe_> ones bought from amazon anyway
[18:21] <traeak> he hated the ipad for that use as well
[18:21] <mkopack> iPad? YES it can??? through the Kindle reader app for it
[18:21] <cjbaird> des2: the interesting thing about the Wikireader is it's a FORTH system in action..
[18:21] <wjoe_> ok, fair point :p
[18:21] <traeak> for viewing mathetmatical pdfs
[18:21] <des2> How come there's no pictures of them actually receiving their PI mkopack ? Hmmmm ??
[18:21] <GabrialDestruir> bbl
[18:21] <des2> FORTH ?! I haven't heard that word mentioned in years,.
[18:21] <mkopack> des: hell if I know??? just saw the link from the Twitter feed while I was at lunch
[18:22] <drazyl> 27 45 + .
[18:22] <mkopack> What pisses me off is that what one of the guys submitted is basically exactly what I was going to do with 1, so I could have won too!
[18:22] <GabrialDestruir> Nooks still a better reader than kindle or w/e :p
[18:22] <cjbaird> The WR doesn't actually run Linux or the like-- it's a forth kernel running the whole thing.
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[18:23] <GabrialDestruir> If for no reason other than it's innate hacking ability
[18:23] <traeak> i have a nook color and it's pretty nice...EXCEPT for the damn overly sensitive touch screen
[18:24] <GabrialDestruir> I put CM9 on my nook color
[18:24] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[18:24] <traeak> is that working for yo? i have phiremod on mine
[18:24] <des2> https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader/wiki/hardware-specifications
[18:24] <traeak> but it broke the market, haven't bothered to fix that yet
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> so... nook owners... is it worth it?
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[18:25] <traeak> the screen is a thing of awe
[18:25] <GabrialDestruir> I say yes.
[18:25] <des2> Not a bad device to play with for $15
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> can you install non-android dependant linux on it?
[18:25] <GabrialDestruir> Every nook model has been hacked, just keep that in mind.
[18:26] <traeak> yes but i haven't kept up iwth it
[18:26] <GabrialDestruir> Probably, yes.
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[18:26] <GabrialDestruir> I know ubuntu runs on nook color and tablet
[18:26] <wjoe_> it does sound like a very good low price tablet. shame they aren't released outside of the US
[18:26] <GabrialDestruir> bbl
[18:26] <traeak> the bad of the nook: no mic, no cam, no light meter
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks. Might be something to look into.
[18:27] <traeak> the nook color is still the most hacked platform out there
[18:27] <SBeans> 17:24 <+traeak> the bad of the nook: no mic, no cam, no light meter
[18:27] <SBeans> read as : no mic, no cam, no lightsaber
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[18:27] <wjoe_> I'm sure there's an app fo rthat
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[18:29] <traeak> no lightmeter is solvable if you can swipe the status bar, so that' snot a big deal
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[18:30] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: how do you deal wit the super sentive touch screen ?
[18:31] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: the nook recalibrator doesn't do it all the way
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... good TED talk about 'music piracy' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0
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[19:04] <mdavey> hello
[19:05] <traeak> !w
[19:05] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Thu Mar 15 11:53:00 2012. Temp 14??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 17%, Later 20??C - 8??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:05] <mdavey> Hands up those that have contributed to the Raspberry Pi wiki
[19:05] <traeak> i'm not so god-like
[19:06] <mkopack> !w 30096
[19:06] <PiBot> mkopack: in Duluth, GA on Thu Mar 15 16:53:00 2012. Temp 26??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 42%, Later 27??C - 12??C. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[19:07] <mkopack> Nah, haven't really contributed to the wiki, but certainly help disseminate the info on there to newbs who don't bother to read it!
[19:07] <mdavey> Nice piece on Computer Weekly about the wiki editors. ukscone also gets a mention:
[19:07] <mdavey> http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/open-source-insider/2012/03/community-strength-blossoms-for-raspberry-pi.html
[19:09] <ukscone> mdavey: i never said that? at least i haven't said it in this lifetime
[19:09] <ukscone> :)
[19:09] <ukscone> actually i did sort of say it
[19:10] <Caver> lol
[19:10] <ukscone> but not to anyone
[19:10] <Caver> any advance on sort of?
[19:10] <mdavey> lol
[19:10] <ukscone> and that was 2 months ago
[19:10] <mdavey> you said it to yourself and CW overheard?
[19:10] <ukscone> e.g. when i said i would stop updating the vm as i was out of time (got extra time back though) but next week is a killer
[19:11] <ukscone> next week (wednesday) i have to winstall win7 or 8 and visualstudio C# and go get drunk, very very drunk
[19:12] <mkopack> lol??? whore :)
[19:13] <mdavey> Well, I think 'you' are correct, now the Foundation has offloaded the manufacture, once the initial batches are set up, they should be able to concentrate more on other objectives. And with a steady license income, they can start thinking about getting documentation and software in place for the edu launch, etc.
[19:13] <mdavey> ;)
[19:13] <ukscone> i just had what would be a 90min trip extend into over 3 hours -- went to get printer ink from office max and when i was 10 feet from my door i realised they had over charged me by $30 so i had to turn right round and get it fixed i'm knackered
[19:13] * mkopack has visions of ukscone acting like a rape victim, doing a shoddy job cutting off all his hair and applying copious amounts of lipstick while standing in front of a mirror and saying stuff like "Who's whore are you now, you dirt disgusting whore???" LOL
[19:14] <ukscone> mdavey: one good thing about next week is i will get some new hardware to play with
[19:14] <Caver> ROFTL
[19:14] <ukscone> lol
[19:14] <mkopack> just playing with ya man
[19:14] <ukscone> ok time to get organised. coffee on to brew first, make a phone call then swedish meatballs tonight i think
[19:15] <mdavey> okay, home time for me - will be back online later
[19:15] <mkopack> later!
[19:15] <ukscone> mkopack: i thought i'd hidden my diary so how you knew i dunno
[19:16] <mkopack> haha
[19:16] <mkopack> If you're having to install Windows and visual studio, it wasn't hard to guess!
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[19:33] <OneFix_Work> Actually, I hadn't thought of that before, but modifying the rPi with a case and built-in power adapter should be pretty cheap (probably less than $15 extra)
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[19:36] <OneFix_Work> In that case, the only thing the SheevaPlug might have over the rPi is the faster processor and more RAM ... but the rPi has video support...I don't think that's built into the SheevaPlug
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[19:37] <mkopack> Onefix: yeah, sheeva has no video output
[19:37] <mkopack> Some of the newer plugs do
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[19:38] <mkopack> the sheeva is an Armv5 chip though??? So while it has more ram and higher clock, it has ZERO HW FP support, and I don't think any sort of SIMD/MMX type instructions, and no GPU to offload stuff to either
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[19:39] <traeak> pogoplug class
[19:39] <traeak> hmm
[19:39] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: But, I think the rPi is a newer ARM chip than the Sheeva, right
[19:39] <mkopack> So depending upon what you're trying to do with it, it's a toss iiup regarding which one is going to be faster.
[19:39] <mkopack> Right, Rpi is Arm v6
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[19:40] <mkopack> But they're fairly similar otherwise. That's why I've started messing around with my SheevaPlug while I wait for the RPi??? get some practice
[19:40] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: So, the only real deficiency of the rPi would be the lack of extra RAM, which might not be so much of a problem...I haven't looked at the size too, but the rPi may be a little bit fatter
[19:40] <mkopack> Physical dimensions? about the same size actuall
[19:41] <mkopack> the Sheeva is a VERY thick unit though (since it's PSU is built into the brick)
[19:41] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: If you wanted a compact rPi, you would want to do that too
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[19:44] <mkopack> Sure
[19:45] <mkopack> so, yeah, if you look at a lot of the white prototype design cases for the Rpi, they do look quite a bit similar to the SheevaPlug
[19:45] <mkopack> The port layout is obviously different, and the PSU is external, but otherwise, same general shape, and look
[19:45] <OneFix_Work> You could probably make a case with a built-in plug and board to do the AC-DC conversion separately, so the board could be used for other projects :)
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[19:49] <OneFix_Work> You would probably need to put a heat sync on the power supply, but it should be a fairly simple job if done right
[19:50] <passstab> lol famous last words
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[19:52] <traeak> toss in the word "assume" somewhere and that would make it cool
[19:52] <OneFix_Work> passstab: No, famous last words are "watch this"
[19:52] <mkopack> Or "Mega" or "Ultra" or Titanium??? Extreme??? (what other marketing BS labels can we use???)
[19:53] <mkopack> No, it's - "Hey Y'all! WATCH THIS!"
[19:53] <passstab> paradigems
[19:53] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Or call it the iPi
[19:53] <mkopack> Man, that PiDuino stuff really has me interested
[19:54] <passstab> piduino?
[19:54] <OneFix_Work> Or make it beige and call it the "CreamPi"
[19:54] <traeak> mkopack: it's logical
[19:54] <Caver> eeew
[19:54] <OneFix_Work> BTW, if anyone does that, I want 10% :)
[19:54] <mkopack> Yeah, somebody is working on a board that contains basically an Arduino, with the shield headers, a 2A PSU, and interface to the RPi.
[19:55] <mkopack> Can run the Arduino+RPi off the PSU, and plug in arduino shields
[19:55] <Caver> I think you might get arresting trying to sell that one in the local playgrounds
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[19:56] <mkopack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5c1Dfaf57g
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[19:57] <OneFix_Work> I know, call it the Raspberry Turnover :)
[19:58] <traeak> can the arduino be interactively driven thorugh its usb or that's only programmed through the usb ?
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[19:59] <mkopack> You have always been able to do things via the USB to the arduino for control??? IT basically allows you to talk between the arduino + host as a serial interface
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[19:59] <traeak> ahh
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[20:00] <traeak> means the gumstick version of the rpi would have worked just fine with arduino way back when
[20:00] <mkopack> So you can read data coming off the sensors ito the Arduino (have the Arduino push the data up to the host over the serial connection) or send keystrokes down to the arduino the reverse way which can alter it's running program
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[20:02] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, but the Arduino is so expensive to do anything with, the rPi is gonna be both cheaper and easier.
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[20:02] <mkopack> OneFix: eh, I wouldn't say Arduino is expensive??? and it's VERY easy to work with
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[20:02] <mkopack> And a lot safer to interface hardware with??? there's a lot more protection on the pins
[20:03] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: For instance, the WiFi shield for an Arduino is like $60 I think...but a USB WiFi adapter can be bought for the rPi for ~$5 or less
[20:03] <mkopack> And there's also a large number of shields for the Arduino out there
[20:03] <mkopack> Well, yeah??? obviously there are cases like hat
[20:03] <mkopack> that
[20:03] <mkopack> But I always have like 4 shields for my arduino stuff, that would be nice if I could leverage
[20:04] <Hourd> mkopack: what kind of shields do you use?
[20:04] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Right, but even the shields are expensive...now, it would be nice to be able to interface the rPi with those shields, but there would be no drivers for them
[20:05] <mkopack> Let's see??? I have the Xbee shield, the Sparkfun motor driver shield, the micro sd data logger shield...
[20:05] <mkopack> I guess of those 3 the motor shield would be the only really useful one
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[20:06] <mkopack> the others I could do better through the Pi side
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[20:06] <mkopack> But there's plenty others out there
[20:06] <Hourd> mkopack: the motor driver shield any good? i ahve the 'official' one and its a bit naf, i use a couple of h-bridges now
[20:07] <mkopack> Hourd: eh, it works, but I need to figure out how to use it to do Lock Anti-Phase PWM
[20:08] <mkopack> Not even sure I can with it
[20:08] <mkopack> because right now I have issues where when trying to do PID line following, my code will tell a motor to go to 0, and it'll COAST to 0 instead of GO TO 0
[20:08] <mkopack> Which totally throws off the whole PID stuff
[20:09] <mkopack> And I just haven't had any time to work on it due to grad school
[20:10] <piless> I.. don't understand
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[20:10] <mkopack> what don't you follow?
[20:10] <piless> all of it
[20:10] <mkopack> lol
[20:10] <mkopack> Ok??? want me to explain or no?
[20:10] <piless> nah
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[20:11] <piless> I enjoy being ignorant.
[20:11] <mkopack> It's bliss!
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[20:15] <Hourd> mkopack: ah right i use steppers for that.
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[20:52] <des2> If you're in the US looking for a cheap HDMI cable for your PI 99 cents: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Premium-1-3-Gold-HDMI-Cable-1080p-PS3-HDTV-DVD-Plasma-6-FT-1-8M-/270911788789
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[20:56] <OneFix_Work> des2: Yea, or pick any color you want at monoprice for $3.50
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[20:58] <OneFix_Work> des2: Their cables also have ferrite cores...which cut down on interference...I don't think the $0.99 one has those
[20:59] <des2> Yeah I'm sure the monoprice are better quality.
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[21:00] <OneFix_Work> des2: I always just make a wish list of stuff on monoprice and place an order once I have enough stuff :)
[21:00] <des2> 15 foot cheapie for $2.19: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-15-FT-PREMIUM-HDMI-CABLE-1-3-PS3-HDTV-1080P-15FT-/330702532225
[21:01] <des2> Yeah they have incredibly cheap cable zip ties
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[21:02] <OneFix_Work> des2: Too bad they don't have any high quality MicroUSB chargers...I just buy mine on ebay or Amazon
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[21:16] <HienoMies> Ladies and gentlemen!
[21:16] <HienoMies> Any Pi received yet?
[21:17] <Da|Mummy> no, go away
[21:17] <HienoMies> aaaand, doest it really run xbmc?
[21:18] <Da|Mummy> you havent watched videos?
[21:18] <HienoMies> lots of Monty Pythons!
[21:19] <mkopack> sigh
[21:19] <mkopack> No, no RPi's have shipped yet...
[21:19] <Da|Mummy> !ticker
[21:19] <Da|Mummy> :{
[21:19] <des2> The Pie is a Lie
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[21:19] <mkopack> yes it will run XMBC - go see the videos.
[21:19] <mkopack> des: hehe, might as well be at this point!
[21:20] <des2> It runs XMBC the question is how well
[21:20] <mkopack> Hopefully we'll find out in the next week or two!
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[21:20] <HienoMies> yeah, is it usefull for wathing Montys?
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[21:20] <mkopack> dunno, I *HATE* Monty Python
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[21:21] <des2> You are dead to us.
[21:22] <mkopack> I just can't get past the accent??? Takes me 1.2 the movie before I start being able to understand WTF they're even saying and at that point I'm bored
[21:22] <mkopack> Other British shows like Ab Fab or IT Crowd or Dr. Who I don't have any problem with???
[21:22] <mkopack> Top Gear??? etc.
[21:23] <HienoMies> probably something wrong with your brains. "Must take out every bits of it!"
[21:23] <mkopack> But M.P. I don't know if it's the voices or how fast they talk or what, but I just can't get it
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[21:24] <Da|Mummy> what about rambo/rocky?
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[21:26] <mkopack> Depends on whether Stallone had his coffee or not??? lol
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[21:27] <haltdef> Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 10 (v7l)
[21:27] <haltdef> this thing is just adorable ????
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[21:29] <Kushan> Monty Python is win
[21:29] <Kushan> If you don't like it, you're clearly a terrible person
[21:30] <HienoMies> most likely yes!
[21:30] <markus_> i learned a new thing today. if i just want to do something on a maximized window but i currently have a smaller window above it that i want to keep on top, i can hold down ctrl while clicking on the other window
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[21:30] <markus_> in this way my window will keep focus, hence not disappear
[21:31] <markus_> i mean if i'm currently doing something in another window
[21:32] <piofcube> markus_: what os is that for? I was wondering how to do that for Win7 yesterday :-)
[21:32] <markus_> eh.. i forgot to mention i'm using gnome 3 shell
[21:33] <markus_> i guess it could work on various other window managers
[21:33] <piofcube> Yeah... I know you can keep things "on top" for linux... It is really useful so I guess won't be added to Microsoft ;-)
[21:34] <markus_> this keeps my currently focusud window on top for one click only :)
[21:34] <markus_> it's a bit like cheating without getting caught
[21:34] <piofcube> Didn't know about using the CTRL to do it so I will remember that :-)
[21:34] <markus_> =)
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[21:35] <markus_> Maybe you know how another thing works. I just downloaded an mp3-file, just a plain mp3.
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[21:36] <markus_> i was very surprised to see that the icon in nautilus (gnome file manager) displayed the covert art from the album
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[21:36] <markus_> can images be embedded into mp3files nowadays?
[21:36] <piofcube> Using the ID tags?
[21:36] <Tachyon`> I bloody hope not
[21:37] <markus_> or did my computer download it from the internet?
[21:37] <Tachyon`> from the internet one assumes
[21:37] <Tachyon`> images are a b it large to be tackingo n the end
[21:37] <gomiboy> no, they are embedded
[21:37] <piofcube> Probs just used the tags in the file and downloaded what it thought was the right cover art
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[21:38] <piofcube> though saying that, a thumbnail image wouldn't be that large
[21:39] <markus_> http://www.richardfarrar.com/embedding-album-art-in-mp3-files/
[21:40] <markus_> normally it would be enough to have one cover image for the entire album
[21:41] * piofcube wonders how long it will take for that to be used as an exploit...
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[22:01] <HienoMies> Pi error found!
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[22:02] <HienoMies> could be bad
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[22:02] <HienoMies> you tell me
[22:02] <HienoMies> http://imgur.com/gallery/PUoEZ
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[22:04] <des2> That movie was very odd
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[22:08] <HienoMies> Pi lauch day! Gimme gimme gimme.... http://imgur.com/gallery/U2a2B
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[22:10] <bikcmp> Pi day, pi day
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[22:10] <haltdef> mmm pi
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[22:14] <traeak> HienoMies: http://pushbroom.org/NoPiForYou.jpg
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[22:16] <HienoMies> sad day in deed
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[22:29] <IT_Sean> aaaaand United Airlines can ****** my *******.
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[22:30] <des2> tickle my noggin ?
[22:30] <IT_Sean> something like that.
[22:31] <IT_Sean> I sat on the phone for 20 minutes on hold, for them to tell me that it would cost me a change fee of over $200 to change my flight home from Saturday to tomorrow.
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[22:32] <HienoMies> its called business
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[22:34] <IT_Sean> I know, i know.
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[23:34] <AdrianG> wut
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[23:37] <OneFix_Work> net split
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[23:37] <IT_Sean> O_o
[23:38] <danieldaniel> Were is mah raspberreh pai
[23:38] <Calyp> out of stock
[23:38] <traeak> danieldaniel: http://pushbroom.org/NoPiForYou.jpg
[23:38] <danieldaniel> oheh noes
[23:38] <mkopack> same place as everyone else's on a slow boat from china
[23:39] <Calyp> hehe
[23:39] <Calyp> is production numbers even close to demand now?
[23:39] <mkopack> Calyp: HAHAHA
[23:39] <mkopack> Last I saw, they have backorders THROUGH June
[23:40] <Calyp> there you go
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[23:41] <Calyp> They gotta speed it up, or people will loose interest sooner than they can say "back order"
[23:42] <mkopack> Eh, I think a pretty good number will go out in the first batches.
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[23:42] <mkopack> We're just having to wait for that first batch to go??? Once we all start seeing unboxing videos and such, it's going to get even more anticipated
[23:42] <mkopack> \
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[23:44] <Calyp> well, we'll see, my point is that low price in meaningless to people who cant get what they order in months, they rather pay for speedy delivery
[23:44] <Calyp> (oher expensiver products)
[23:44] <mkopack> we'll see
[23:44] <Calyp> they will come to market from other directions I mean
[23:44] <mkopack> If they hadn't had the ethernet port problem, we'd be talking about all the people who got them in the first batch
[23:45] <Calyp> *soon
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[23:45] <Calyp> perhaps.
[23:45] <Calyp> well, off to bed, later yall
[23:45] <idakyne> has anyone got a date on when there pi will arrive?
[23:45] <mkopack> Oh, I have :"estimated ship dates" on both of my orders
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[23:46] <mkopack> March 30 on the first, April 2 on the other
[23:46] <mkopack> but whether those actually hold up - I'm not hold my breath
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[23:46] <mkopack> and who knows if the 2nd will even go through once they ship the first one out
[23:47] <idakyne> I've got 30th April with one company
[23:47] <idakyne> Another company just keeps telling me to be patient and won't let me order.
[23:48] <mkopack> yeah, RS is being really bad about giving any info
[23:48] <mkopack> Even the email they sent out today about the delay was like a WEEK after the fact
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[23:52] <idakyne> Well the wait at least gives me time to dream up more projects
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[23:54] <mkopack> idakyne: There's that. Plus it gives accessory designers more time to design stuff (although they can't finalize anything until THEY get RPi's too)
[23:57] <idakyne> I haven't seen much in the way of accessories yet, anything worth looking at?
[23:58] <mkopack> there's a couple expansion (GPIO) breakout boards being developed...
[23:58] <mkopack> a ton of cases
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