#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-03-19

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[0:00] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:00] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[0:01] * Nemo7 (nemo@nemo.org.org) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:02] * zabomber (~zabomber@gateway/tor-sasl/zabomber) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:02] * PiBot sets mode +v zabomber
[0:04] * CasperN (~casper@81-233-58-70-no71.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:08] <des2> No nplus, but we know all about Liz's knee
[0:08] <nplus> des2: haha too true..
[0:09] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:09] * PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt
[0:12] * JMNUTS (~macbook@180.57.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:12] * PiBot sets mode +v JMNUTS
[0:15] * Nemo7_ (~nemo@dynamic-adsl-84-220-234-131.clienti.tiscali.it) Quit (Quit: it really tied the room together)
[0:18] * neciO (~juan@d51A447EF.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[0:18] * slide23 (~slide@ip72-203-135-161.br.br.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:18] * PiBot sets mode +v slide23
[0:18] * slide23 (~slide@ip72-203-135-161.br.br.cox.net) Quit (Changing host)
[0:18] * slide23 (~slide@unaffiliated/slide) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:18] * PiBot sets mode +v slide23
[0:19] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:19] * iMatttt_ (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:19] * PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt_
[0:20] * spangles (~spangles@host86-138-47-86.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:20] * warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:21] * slide (~slide@unaffiliated/slide) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[0:21] <JMNUTS> starving for pi until August ... :(
[0:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Starving for pi forever.
[0:22] * GabrialDestruir_ is now known as GabrialDestruir
[0:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder.... what happens if you don't identify with the NickServ? >.>
[0:24] <Ticho> your dog will die
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[0:24] * PiBot sets mode +v Hopsy
[0:24] * iMatttt_ (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:24] * shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:24] * PiBot sets mode +v shirro
[0:24] <des2> Nothing Gabrial.
[0:25] * MooseEh (~MooseEh@96.49.107.205) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:25] * PiBot sets mode +v MooseEh
[0:26] * zhoeon (~fc@bas2-sherbrooke40-1128575821.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:26] * PiBot sets mode +v zhoeon
[0:31] * Martix (~martix@4.177.broadband3.iol.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[0:31] * zhoeon (~fc@bas2-sherbrooke40-1128575821.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:31] * JMNUTS (~macbook@180.57.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt) has left #raspberrypi
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[0:35] * PiBot sets mode +v warddr
[0:38] * Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@Tom4u/founder/tomtiger11) Quit (Quit: Bye!)
[0:42] * Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc18-reig4-2-0-cust124.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:42] * PiBot sets mode +v Cromulent
[0:42] * tyooo (~hvkkg@213.240.225.18) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:42] * PiBot sets mode +v tyooo
[0:43] * GeorgeH (~George@c-69-141-105-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:44] * barr5790 (~alan@85.210.228.120) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:44] * PiBot sets mode +v barr5790
[0:46] * smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[0:46] * GeorgeH (~George@c-69-141-105-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:46] * PiBot sets mode +v GeorgeH
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[0:48] * PiBot sets mode +v smw
[0:50] * zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[0:54] * sp4rt4n (~j@120.Red-176-83-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:54] * PiBot sets mode +v sp4rt4n
[1:02] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[1:02] * Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:02] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook_
[1:06] * Milos|Netbook_ is now known as Milos|netbook
[1:06] * Milos|netbook is now known as Milos|Netbook
[1:25] * Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc18-reig4-2-0-cust124.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:26] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[1:28] * Mazon (~Mazon@95.166.104.217) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[1:29] * lansiir (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:29] * PiBot sets mode +v lansiir
[1:36] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[1:36] * koda (~vittorio@host174-212-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Quit: koda)
[1:36] * mrcan (~mrcan@88.242.196.122) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:36] * PiBot sets mode +v mrcan
[1:37] * Hopsy (~Hopsy@188.207.74.94) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[1:38] * Mazon (~Mazon@95.166.104.217) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:38] * PiBot sets mode +v Mazon
[1:42] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:42] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[1:50] * mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:50] * PiBot sets mode +v mkopack
[1:50] * imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:50] * PiBot sets mode +v imnichol
[1:51] * passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:52] * Delboy_ (~Kombajn@247-248.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[1:54] * Christian10 (~christian@p4FE1E862.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)
[1:54] * mrcan (~mrcan@88.242.196.122) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:54] * felgru (~felgru@xdsl-87-78-101-243.netcologne.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:55] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[2:00] * Xark_ (32717be5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.113.123.229) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[2:02] * mrcan (~mrcan@88.246.219.31) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:02] * PiBot sets mode +v mrcan
[2:04] * uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:04] * PiBot sets mode +v uen|
[2:08] * uen (~uen@p5DCB1571.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[2:11] * _inc (~inc@unaffiliated/-inc/x-0498339) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[2:13] * _inc (~inc@unaffiliated/-inc/x-0498339) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:13] * PiBot sets mode +v _inc
[2:16] * warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)
[2:16] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:16] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[2:18] * Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:18] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook_
[2:21] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[2:30] * Milos|Netbook_ is now known as Milos|Netbook
[2:31] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:32] * dnstbr (~dnstbr@cpe-72-191-156-43.rgv.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:32] * PiBot sets mode +v dnstbr
[2:33] * roman3x (~roman3x@bband-dyn9.178-40-128.t-com.sk) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[2:35] * jzaw (~jzaw@macbook.dzki.co.uk) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
[2:43] * caiortp (~caiortp@20158076019.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:43] * PiBot sets mode +v caiortp
[2:46] * MooseEh (~MooseEh@96.49.107.205) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:50] * sp4rt4n (~j@120.Red-176-83-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[2:52] * eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:01] * passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:01] * PiBot sets mode +v passstab
[3:14] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Quit: Procrast...)
[3:15] * tomnewmann (~tomnewman@host81-159-193-54.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:16] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:16] * PiBot sets mode +v kcj
[3:19] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:19] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:19] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[3:24] * phantoxe (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:25] * Kyzz_ (~quassel@cpe-24-166-81-109.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:25] * PiBot sets mode +v Kyzz_
[3:25] * phantoxe (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:25] * PiBot sets mode +v phantoxe
[3:26] * klm[_] (~null@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:26] * PiBot sets mode +v klm[_]
[3:27] * Kyzz (~quassel@cpe-24-166-81-109.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[3:28] * passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:30] * zhoeon (~fc@74.198.165.120) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:30] * PiBot sets mode +v zhoeon
[3:34] * Compy (~Compy@c-98-251-52-68.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit ()
[3:35] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:36] * mrcan (~mrcan@88.246.219.31) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
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[3:37] * PiBot sets mode +v mrcan
[3:48] * wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[3:49] * Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[3:52] * zhoeon (~fc@74.198.165.120) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[3:53] * mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)
[3:53] * wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:53] * PiBot sets mode +v wej
[3:55] * mrcan (~mrcan@88.246.219.31) Quit (Changing host)
[3:55] * mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:55] * PiBot sets mode +v mrcan
[3:57] * Calyp (~Calyp@unaffiliated/calyptratus-tzm) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[3:58] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[3:58] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:58] * PiBot sets mode +v nils_2
[4:07] * heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[4:09] * victhor_ (~victhor@177.98.139.138) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[4:13] * unkle_george__ (~quassel@static-50-53-154-51.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:13] * PiBot sets mode +v unkle_george__
[4:15] * RITRedbeard (RITReadbea@t410xx.student.rit.edu) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[4:20] * caiortp (~caiortp@20158076019.user.veloxzone.com.br) Quit ()
[4:26] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[4:29] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:29] * PiBot sets mode +v mchou
[4:33] * dnstbr (~dnstbr@cpe-72-191-156-43.rgv.res.rr.com) Quit ()
[4:34] * phantoxe (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit ()
[4:34] * barr5790 (~alan@85.210.228.120) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[4:40] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[4:43] * RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@t410xx.student.rit.edu) has joined #raspberrypi
[4:43] * PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard
[4:45] * Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Happy Now?)
[5:02] * Guest22001 (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[5:03] * curahack (~curahack@sub-190-88-93ip28.rev.onenet.an) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[5:03] * mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:03] * PiBot sets mode +v mike_
[5:03] * mike_ is now known as Guest49804
[5:10] * lansiir (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[5:14] * Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:14] * PiBot sets mode +v Da|Mummy
[5:17] * P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.146.30) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:17] * PiBot sets mode +v P4R4N01D
[5:23] * dnstbr (~dnstbr@cpe-72-191-156-43.rgv.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:23] * PiBot sets mode +v dnstbr
[5:25] * FACEFOX (~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.facefox.com)
[5:28] * machine2 (~machine4@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[5:38] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)
[5:43] * brougham (brougham@wintermute.brougham.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[5:49] * Xark_ (32717be5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.113.123.229) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:49] * PiBot sets mode +v Xark_
[5:51] * UnderSampled (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-178.nc.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[5:53] * shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:53] * PiBot sets mode +v shadowe989
[5:53] * shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) Quit (Client Quit)
[5:53] * shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[5:53] * PiBot sets mode +v shadowe989
[5:53] * shadowe989 (~shadowe98@74-32-109-20.dr01.rmny.wv.frontiernet.net) Quit (Client Quit)
[5:57] * genbattle (~quassel@203-114-137-9.wir.sta.inspire.net.nz) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[6:02] * imnichol (~ian@8.24.97.104) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[6:07] * EiN_ (~einstein@216.252.87.232) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:07] * PiBot sets mode +v EiN_
[6:08] <RITRedbeard> oh word?
[6:08] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56ab.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[6:09] * EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[6:11] * oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Quit: oldtopman has left the house)
[6:11] * Guest49804 (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[6:11] * mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[6:29] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:30] * PiBot sets mode +v mchou
[6:39] * skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[6:45] * magn3ts (u214@pdpc/supporter/professional/magn3ts) Quit ()
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[6:45] * PiBot sets mode +v magn3ts
[6:46] * skilz (~skilz@1.158.126.141) has joined #raspberrypi
[6:46] * PiBot sets mode +v skilz
[6:47] * skilz is now known as Guest57123
[7:01] * heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:01] * PiBot sets mode +v heymaster
[7:05] * Guest57123 (~skilz@1.158.126.141) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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[7:15] * PiBot sets mode +v Syliss
[7:18] * jbb_ is now known as jbb
[7:27] * pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:27] * PiBot sets mode +v pistacik
[7:34] * heymaster (~heymaster@78.61.212.188) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[7:36] * PiBot sets mode +v narna_
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[7:36] * hjubal (~hjubal@89.119.42.67) Quit (Changing host)
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[7:36] * PiBot sets mode +v hjubal
[7:36] * PiBot sets mode +v hjubal
[7:37] * narna_ is now known as skilz
[7:37] * skilz (~skilz@1.130.223.42) Quit (Changing host)
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[7:37] * PiBot sets mode +v skilz
[7:40] * khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:40] * PiBot sets mode +v khildin
[7:42] * shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) Quit (Quit: shirro)
[7:43] * brougham (brougham@wintermute.brougham.info) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:43] * PiBot sets mode +v brougham
[7:51] * wrenSighter (~wrenSight@S0106602ad0819983.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[7:51] * PiBot sets mode +v wrenSighter
[7:53] * Mavy-bnc is now known as Mavy
[8:00] * piless (~no@92.40.254.236.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:00] * PiBot sets mode +v piless
[8:02] * mwschib (irc@unaffiliated/mwschib) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[8:10] * Syliss (~Syliss@108.210.165.132) Quit (Quit: Syliss)
[8:12] * nrdb (~neil@CPE-124-187-141-26.lns16.ken.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:12] * PiBot sets mode +v nrdb
[8:13] <nrdb> The Elector weekly news email has info on the Rpi... :-)
[8:13] <nrdb> http://www.elektor.com/news/28-euro-linux-computer-now-taking-registrations.2111140.lynkx?utm_source=UK&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news&cat=computers/software
[8:15] * Martix (~martix@4.177.broadband3.iol.cz) has joined #raspberrypi
[8:15] * PiBot sets mode +v Martix
[8:18] <piless> It's old info. They say the model A had 128mb of ram
[8:20] * mchou (~quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[8:22] * pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
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[10:21] <Mowee> Morning
[10:22] <shirro> Evening
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> defffo moring
[10:23] <drazyl> morning
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[10:25] <Hourd> good moaning
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[10:37] <odt> hey, are the new models being produced "on demand" including some kind of housing?
[10:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
[10:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> box comes later
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[10:41] <odt> i can wait :)
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[10:49] <DaMummy> than order now, you might get it for xmas
[10:51] <Hourd> if your lucky
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[11:01] <shirro> MPAA will have them classed as munitions now the pirate bay has threatened to seed the sky with them. We will have to drive to bad neighbourhoods to buy Pi from street dealers. Or shoot them out of the air.
[11:02] <drazyl> pssst, wanna by a pi? guaranteed pure!
[11:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Two Months
[11:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I like that Pi has finally added a little perspective to the whole OpenPandora debacle
[11:05] <drazyl> ?
[11:11] <shirro> Everyone used to wait for computers once. I remember a friend payed up front for his Pentium 60 and waited months for it to come through. He got it just as the company went bankrupt. Sinclair hadn't finished designing the QL when they launched. This is pretty much par for the course. Even Apple with billions in the bank often can't meet demand on a new release.
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[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> shirro: Cool story, bro!
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[11:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Apple does it on purpose, the sneaky rascals
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[11:32] <BCMM> shirro: yep. apple does it intentionally; same with all new console releases
[11:32] <BCMM> "sold out on release day" is good press.
[11:32] <BCMM> the people camping out for midnight creates buzz, etc.
[11:33] <shirro> Apple do build the hype on purpose but I think they genuinely can't meet demand at launch. They would have to stockpile a ridiculous amount. I think consoles have always done it deliberately.
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> They seem to have met the iPad demand, but everyone still panicked... which is hilarious
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[11:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> They've created an expectation of scarcity now... although it may be more to do with the iPad 3 being not obviously different
[11:35] <shirro> I preordered original ipad online and watched as everyone walked into a store and bought one whileI waited for weeks. Apple love their spectacle.
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I got mine the day before the store launch, but I'm in the UK so it'd been out in the US for a month or so (or was it more)
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi only really had two obstacles; component sourcing failure and a severe underestimation of the demand
[11:40] <shirro> Also the whole lack of money. They couldn't have done a bigger first batch. And if people had preordered they would been even more psycho.
[11:40] <shirro> Are the yanks awake yet
[11:41] <JMNUTS> yep, farnel already has my money and i'm recieving only in august
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[11:41] <shirro> JMNUTS: Has your money? That is weird. Haven't touched mine.
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[11:41] <drazyl> shirro - not unless they like early mornings
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[11:44] <JMNUTS> yep, in portugal they where selling to local supplier then changed to sell directly (I lost 3 weeks with this), this made me place an order that will be shipped in august. And yes the asked for my money. So I assume they have the money they need to make a bigger batch
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[11:45] <JMNUTS> They -> Farnel
[11:46] <drazyl> Farnell and RS will make them as quickly as they can
[11:47] <shirro> JMNUTS: That seems a bit unethical. They just have mine in backorder status. I would be shocked if they hit my card until they have stock for my order. I guess it varies by country.
[11:48] <JMNUTS> yes its a bit unfair, but I have no other option here
[11:49] <JMNUTS> I also had no news from RS, maybe they dont sell in Portugal
[11:49] <JMNUTS> :(
[11:49] <hamitron> is it out yet?
[11:50] <hamitron> as in, has anyone got some :)
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Very little from RS here, too... just a couple of emails saying we'll hear more later, "first come first served" blahblah
[11:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've found an RS mail in my spam
[11:51] <shirro> hamitron: I have a shed full. What is your CC number?
[11:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have a shed
[11:51] <hamitron> shirro, full of what though? ;)
[11:51] <shirro> hamitron: sadly mainly spiders and mouse crap
[11:51] <hamitron> :/
[11:52] <hamitron> I need a new shed actually
[11:52] <hamitron> I swear there is a water shortage, because mine has soaked it all up
[11:52] <Hourd> i could do with a workshop
[11:53] <hamitron> my workshop is a mess even more so than the shed
[11:53] <hamitron> :/
[11:53] <hamitron> it looks a lot "busier" than I really am
[11:54] <shirro> I need somewhere clean to work. My soldering station is covered by a layer of what used to be someones topsoil.
[11:54] <Hourd> i dont have room for a soldering station =[
[11:54] <Hourd> but i'm moving in 4 months so i should then =D
[11:55] <shirro> The whole shed is filthy. There is a pool table out there somewhere. We lost it a couple of years ago.
[11:56] <shirro> I need to fill the place up with spider and roach bombs, set them off and run like hell.
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I can't even solder :D have to make my wife do it
[11:57] <Hourd> hurr
[12:04] <shirro> Doing a tidy at the moment. Throw out old electronic bits or keep to strip for parts?
[12:05] <victhor_> never, ever throw away your electronics
[12:06] <Hourd> there is *always* a use for them
[12:06] <victhor_> these are really useful, even if broken! You just don't know when they will be useful :P
[12:07] <shirro> victhor_: I filled up a skip with 486 computers one move. Another I threw out all my breadboards, hookup wires and components. I tend to go too far one way or another.
[12:07] <BCMM> 486s - probably junk. breadboards are always useful!
[12:08] <Hourd> shirro!!! nooooooo
[12:08] <drazyl> if you throw something away, you will need it next week/month
[12:09] <victhor_> that always happens. >_>
[12:12] <shirro> What should I be looking to strip? I can see a use for power supplies. Wires. Perhaps motors. I guess the leads on through hole components are too short to be useful but do people strip smt components?
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[12:16] <shirro> Lots of dvd, cdrom, vcrs, dlt and even a few floppies I think. Are any of those motors useful for robotics or anything or don't bother? Old CRT televisions?
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[12:24] <JMNUTS> I have a caso from a briked FONERA, I wounder if a Raspberry Pi fits in there ...
[12:24] <JMNUTS> * a case
[12:24] <shirro> JMNUTS: Probably. It is so small it will fit in almost anything.
[12:25] <JMNUTS> anyone knows the real dimension of the final board ?
[12:28] <matthiasb> FAQ reads: [...] 85.60mm x 53.98mm x 17mm, with a little overlap for the SD card and connectors which project over the edges
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[12:29] <JMNUTS> thanks
[12:29] <matthiasb> Going by the numbers, it should fit in a cigarette box.
[12:34] <BCMM> JMNUTS: there are some accurate 3d models around
[12:34] <BCMM> if you want relatively exact information on how much space it takes
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[12:37] <jzu> shirro: motors for robotics, sure
[12:37] <shirro> One problem with the whole case design thing is all the cool expansion boards that are going to come out. If the stupid thing had some holes I would just put it on some standoffs
[12:37] <JMNUTS> I think I will use a case from a fonera, and make there some holes to the, I do not need much precision, but since I'm only recieving in august, there must be cases for sale at that time
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[13:05] <IT_Sean> Morning
[13:08] <drazyl> morning
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[13:11] <IT_Sean> quiet morning.
[13:12] <huene> quiet lunchtime :)
[13:12] <ukscone> quiet life if we are lucky
[13:13] <njh> Bored of waiting for Pi
[13:13] <njh> http://linitx.com/product/12311
[13:13] <ukscone> although i have a busy day today. got to do laundry, go grocery shopping, some housework and setup an area for a project that starts tomorrow if UPS deliver the kinects
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[13:14] <piless> Hi
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[13:17] <huene> !w
[13:17] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 10??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 71%, Later 12??C - 2??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[13:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[13:18] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Mon Mar 19 11:20:00 2012. Temp 9??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 66%, Later 11??C - 6??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[13:18] <piless> !w bath
[13:18] <PiBot> piless: in Bath, ME on Mon Mar 19 10:53:00 2012. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 89%, Later 13??C - 1??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[13:18] <piless> !w bath uk
[13:18] <PiBot> piless: in Bath, Bath and North East Somerset on Mon Mar 19 11:50:00 2012. Temp 11??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 62%, Later 11??C - 5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[13:19] <piless> What's the source for the weather?
[13:20] <ukscone> mother nature
[13:20] <njh> !w
[13:20] <ukscone> piless: google i think
[13:20] <piless> ukscone: just wondering whether it uses the met office
[13:22] <ukscone> piless: i doubt it. i think DaQatz said it was google but where google get it i've not got the foggiest
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[13:23] <ukscone> piless: i thought the met office was just in the business of historical weather rather than forcasts these days at least from what i've seen on the interwebs the last few months
[13:23] <piless> Well the bbc use the met office as their source for weather forcasts
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[13:24] <IT_Sean> Well, i had a plesant surprise when i got into work today...
[13:24] <IT_Sean> ... my office got bigger! :D
[13:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> pics or it didnt happen ?
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[13:24] <IT_Sean> no.
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[13:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> :(
[13:25] <IT_Sean> too messy
[13:26] <ukscone> IT_Sean: did they make it bigger diliberately or did someone find the sledgehammer you keep by your desk?
[13:26] <drazyl> maybe you shrank overnight?
[13:27] <IT_Sean> ukscone: the office server that were in a partitioned off part of my office got moved.
[13:27] <IT_Sean> *servers
[13:28] <ukscone> they moved them out of the bathroom stall ?
[13:28] <IT_Sean> So, with the servers taken away, and that partition rmeoved, my office is bigger. :D
[13:28] <ukscone> :)
[13:28] <piless> Shouldnt servers have their own room with temperature control?
[13:28] <IT_Sean> Yes. They SHOULD.
[13:29] <ukscone> the worst place i worked (no names to protect the guilty) my office was a bathroom in a previous existance and they hadn't removed all the fittings
[13:29] <IT_Sean> They were moved so they could be glassed in
[13:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ depends I just have an Aircon in our server room - on all the time in cooling mode
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[13:30] <ukscone> just needed to add a fold away bed and i could have rented it as a bedsit
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[13:38] <jamesglanville> has anyone managed to place an order with rs yet after getting a "you got in on the first batch" email? or have they not contacted anyone?
[13:38] <ukscone> i honestly don't know why i even bother
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[13:38] <piless> Yes
[13:39] <piless> Rs have already delivered mine.
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[13:39] <ukscone> going through the issue tracker for a friends company's website i am helping q&a and all the issues i posted over the last week have been ignored and someone else (the ceo) has posted the same issues with slightly different wording
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[13:40] <ukscone> that is about 144 hours i could have used for other things such as sleeping and napping
[13:40] <Thorn_> sleep is bad mkay
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[13:41] <piless> Sleep is so overrated
[13:41] <ukscone> Thorn_: i prefer to think of sleep as time travel via suspendedanimation
[13:41] <piless> Especially if you're someone who doesn't remember their dreams
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[14:12] <aditsu> RS? I'm still waiting for an email from those monkeys after registering my interest :p
[14:12] <aditsu> (which I did on 29 before 6:05 am)
[14:13] <piless> You were 4 minutes too late then
[14:13] <aditsu> you mean they will never sell any pi to anybody, ever, other than the people who registered in the 1st minute?
[14:14] <piless> Yes
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[14:14] <aditsu> hmm, ok then
[14:15] <piless> Sucks to be you
[14:15] <aditsu> nah, I order from element14
[14:15] <aditsu> ordered*
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[15:03] <SBeans> I think we probably need to make some meme pics. Mainly in the order of:
[15:03] <SBeans> your PI will come, please calm the fuck down
[15:03] <SBeans> also when it comes, it will indeed fix ALL your problems
[15:04] <des2> There's my entry in the PI pic: http://wordswewomenwrite.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pie.jpg
[15:05] <SBeans> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3odhr7/
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[15:06] <mkopack> We can Haz Pi This Week?
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[15:08] <philh> still no signs of pi?
[15:09] <mkopack> Doesn't look it
[15:09] <philh> ah well, at least i didn't bother to order one :)
[15:11] <des2> I wonder at this point if the Chinese clones will be out before some people who ordered on the first day get theirs...
[15:11] <SBeans> 14:06 <+philh> ah well, at least i didn't bother to order one :)
[15:12] <SBeans> so the difference between me and you is, neither of us have a PI
[15:12] <philh> hello, SBeans
[15:12] <SBeans> but, eventually when they release them, I will have a Pi
[15:12] <FireFly> I didn't order any either, but I still had lots of fun that early morning when it was released :3
[15:12] <philh> i don't care about the fact and am not anticipating receiving one, that's the main difference
[15:12] <IT_Sean> mmmm. piiiie
[15:13] <SBeans> oh, thats fe. Although I am a patient fellow, and I /can/ wait to get hold of a RPI
[15:13] <IT_Sean> I haven't ordered yet.
[15:13] <philh> ah, pleased to hear it
[15:15] <philh> i wonder if there'll be any point ordering before christmas
[15:15] <mkopack> The expected ship dates they're quoting are all over the damn place so who knows if any of us are going to get them anytime soon
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[15:19] <drazyl> I think it's fairly safe to say that someone who has ordered one will get one before someone who hasn't :_
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[15:20] <des2> Not necessarily.
[15:20] <weasel> (say "no later" instead of "before" :)
[15:20] <des2> Someone who hasn't ordered one yet can buy one off ebay.
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[15:23] <philh> drazyl, if having one before other people is important to you, then i hope that turns out to be true.
[15:23] <drazyl> it isn't and it is unlikely
[15:24] <drazyl> which is why I am happy to quietly wait until mine turns up
[15:25] <drazyl> I like the fact that I have one ordered, so it will work it's way through the system, but if it's tomorrow, next month, or 2 months after that doesn't really matter
[15:25] <mkopack> Well, my "estimated ship date" still hasn't changed from March 30.. so we' shall see..
[15:25] <drazyl> 30th April here, but I doubt the accuracy
[15:25] <philh> it's unlikely that "someone who has ordered one will get one before someone who hasn't"?
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[15:28] <des2> What's the likelyhood someone will receive a PI this week ?
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> slim chance
[15:31] <mkopack> Eh, I don't know about that??? It's POSSIBLE...
[15:31] <IT_Sean> anything is POSSIBLE
[15:31] <mkopack> *IF* Farnel +RS got their shipment at the end of last week or today and get them sent out to the first 10,000
[15:31] <IT_Sean> but...
[15:31] <IT_Sean> how PROBABLE is it?
[15:31] <mkopack> but since we haven't had ANY news, highly unlikely.
[15:32] * IT_Sean nods
[15:33] <drazyl> you would think/hope that there would be a "now shipping" announcement from RS or Farnell
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[15:33] <drazyl> mind you, that might just create more complaints
[15:34] <JMNUTS> yep, I assume they will be shipping "of the record" :)
[15:34] <drazyl> stealth deliveries, from a black van
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[15:35] <piless> I got mine already
[15:35] <mkopack> Until we start hearing people say "I have a tracking number" I guess we're just waiting
[15:35] <JMNUTS> lucky you :)
[15:35] <drazyl> piless - you're username gives you away :)
[15:35] * piless is now known as notpiless
[15:37] * IT_Sean is still suffering form major jet lag. He thinke he is currently somewhere about halfway between GMT and EDT
[15:38] <drazyl> IT_Sean but in which direction?
[15:38] <notpiless> Well bst soon anyway
[15:38] <IT_Sean> drazyl: I am in EDT
[15:39] <IT_Sean> Physically, i am in New Jersey, USA. My internal clock is still somewhere over the north atlantic.
[15:39] <drazyl> long day then
[15:39] <IT_Sean> indeeeed
[15:40] <drazyl> mind you, not as bad as when I flew back from Florida one year, completely miscalculated the time difference (+ flight time) and got in at 6am on Monday not midnight on Sunday
[15:40] <IT_Sean> haha
[15:40] <drazyl> straight to work!
[15:40] <IT_Sean> I wish i could have taken today off
[15:41] <notpiless> Time travel!
[15:41] <zgreg> does anyone have their pi yet?
[15:42] <notpiless> I do
[15:42] <Hourd> indeed
[15:42] <zgreg> oh, not you again
[15:42] <notpiless> Me?
[15:42] * IT_Sean could go for some cake
[15:42] <notpiless> Victoria sponge
[15:43] <Hourd> om nom nom
[15:43] <ukscone> black forest however you spell it
[15:43] <des2> As far as I know no one has received any of the 10,000 batch yet zgreg.
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> The cake is a meme!
[15:43] <notpiless> I have
[15:44] <drazyl> I got two by accident so I gave one to the cat to sleep on
[15:44] <notpiless> ukscone: g??teau?
[15:45] <des2> At least you didn't give it to the dog to chew on...
[15:45] <notpiless> Laptop keyboards make the best cat beds
[15:45] <ukscone> notpiless: yes but isn't there an x in there somewhere?
[15:46] <notpiless> No
[15:48] <notpiless> Schwarzw??lder Kirschtorte
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[15:59] <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=3608 - cheap RAM!
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[16:01] <des2> I'll think I'll get the kit. I'll save $50 even if it doesn't work in the end...
[16:02] <drazyl> notpiless I find adsl routers are popular with cats
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[16:16] <traeak> !w
[16:16] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Mon Mar 19 07:53:00 2012. Temp -1??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 29%, Later 7??C - -2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> !w
[16:17] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Mon Mar 19 17:53:00 2012. Temp 61??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 75%, Later 73??F - 50??F. Condition: Fog.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> Woohoo! 73! :D
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[16:18] <mkopack> Ugh, the Pollen count here in Atlanta is INSANE today??? >8000
[16:18] <mkopack> Anything over 1500 is considered extreme....
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[16:18] <mkopack> My nice black Explorer is going to be GREEN when I go to leave to go home tonight
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[16:19] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:19] <mkopack> And stupid me left a couple windows open in the house today??? Eveything in my house is going to be covered in the crap
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[16:19] <IT_Sean> I use to have an Exploder. It was green to begin with, though, so...
[16:19] <mkopack> I have one of the new ones??? LOVE it
[16:19] <mkopack> Total redesign
[16:20] <IT_Sean> Mine was a '96
[16:20] <IT_Sean> 1996 Explorer XLT. Lt Willow Green paint, w/ Forest Green interior (ick!). 6 disk stacker, leather, 5spd manual.
[16:21] <IT_Sean> and a sunroof
[16:22] <mkopack> I tell ya, that's one thing I miss- manual tranny
[16:22] <mkopack> My last 2 cars were stick??? I miss it. You have SOOO much more control with stick
[16:22] <IT_Sean> it was a bit sloppy in the exploder
[16:22] <mkopack> Now I'm like "GD IT! SHIFT!"
[16:22] <IT_Sean> Heh
[16:23] <IT_Sean> 4th was always a bit vague. Might have just been mine, though.
[16:23] <mkopack> Althoguh auto is a lot nicer when I get stuck in stop and go bumper-to-bumper
[16:23] <drazyl> never understood why automatics are so popular in the us
[16:23] <traeak> stick shift is very tiresome in deadlock traffic
[16:23] <traeak> but yeah, i've only ever driven manual and prefer that strongly
[16:23] <traeak> deadlock traffic
[16:23] * IT_Sean hates autotragics
[16:23] <mkopack> draz: Because most women are too damn lazy to learn how to drive a stick.. It freaks them out
[16:23] <traeak> and lots of people can't handle manual anyways
[16:23] <drazyl> get that over here, but I still wouldn't want an auto
[16:23] <traeak> mkopack: hehe
[16:23] <drazyl> mkopack again - not over here
[16:24] <traeak> drazyl: i suspect you have fewer per capita drivers
[16:24] <drazyl> traeak I doubt it
[16:24] <mkopack> After being subjected at a young age to the terrors of being in the back seat while my dad ATTEMPTED to teach my mom how to drive stick, I swore never to try to teach a woman how to drive stick
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[16:25] <mkopack> You know how I learned?
[16:25] <traeak> i've never owned anything more than a manual 4 though
[16:25] <traeak> dad's nasty truck was manual 8 but that was a truck
[16:25] <IT_Sean> I leanred to drive a stick in a last-model Mazda RX7, with a VERY heavy clutch.
[16:25] <mkopack> Walked into a dealership - told them - "I want that 1997 Probe GT. It's a sport coupe, so I want it stick shift (as auto on a sports car is a damn sin!) And you'll need to take me out and teach me how to drive it before I go home.
[16:25] <traeak> i learned how to drive in a 200 series mercedes :-p
[16:26] <mkopack> Sales guy spent 20 minutes with me, and then I was on my own. Stalled it 5 times on the way home...
[16:26] <mkopack> Over the next 2 weeks I got a LOT better with it
[16:26] <drazyl> mkopack not sure whether to be impressed or very very scared :)
[16:26] <mkopack> Now I do it like it's second nature
[16:26] <traeak> ahh, well i just learned to drive on a stick period
[16:26] <danbee> manual transmission is totally the norm here in the uk
[16:26] <traeak> so lots of cascade failure at the begining there
[16:26] <danbee> quite a lot of learning to drive is about clutch control
[16:27] <traeak> the negative of manual transmission: leg injuries
[16:27] <mkopack> It's always a little touchy the first few minutes in a car with a stick that you've never driven - gotta learn the feel of the gearbox and where the grab point on the clutch is??? But after that its no biggie
[16:27] <zgreg> manual transmission is *more* than the norm here, in germany
[16:27] <zgreg> you get funny looks if you drive automatic
[16:27] <mkopack> Even those paddle shift or slap-shift semi-manuals are Blech IMO
[16:27] <traeak> mkopack: yup, clutch point is always the fun part, retrain the legs for every different car
[16:28] <traeak> i tried to train my wife to drive manual, it wasn't fun...she has the automatic
[16:28] <jamesglanville> driving a manual without using the clutch is fun, I hurt my leg and ended up just matching speeds and relying on the synchromesh to sort things out
[16:29] <jamesglanville> it was probably wear on the car, but such an improvement in my driving after
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[16:29] <traeak> yeah, real bad on th engine and not cool if you had to emergency stop
[16:29] <danbee> jamesglanville: it probably wasn't too bad, at least you weren't wearing the clutch!
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[16:30] <mkopack> Ok, clutch less is something I've never managed to figure out....
[16:30] <traeak> well he learned to drive for better fuel economy
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> double de-clutch
[16:30] <traeak> mkopack: easy to get out of gear, painful to get into gear
[16:30] <mkopack> One of these days I'd like to take a race school where they teach you how to heal-toe it
[16:30] <jamesglanville> traeak: I'd have been fine for emergency stops, I could move my leg enough to clutch, just hurt
[16:31] <mkopack> I'll say one thing, my Explorer is a HELL of a lot more comfortable for long drives than my Scion xA was???
[16:31] <traeak> automatics definitely don't shift when they're supposed to
[16:31] <mkopack> Granted, the Explorer has cruise, the Scion didn't...
[16:32] <jamesglanville> mkopack: for clutchless you just tap the accelerator a bit, shift out of gear, get the engine revs slightly higher than you need, then push gently into gear while dropping the revs and it'll catch
[16:32] <mkopack> On trips to NY to see the folks (I'm in GA, so 1000 miles in 1 day) In the scion I wouldn't be able to walk for a day after getting there.
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[16:32] <mkopack> With the Explorer, I get there and feel fine??? not even tired really
[16:33] <traeak> mkopack: you probably woudl have been fine with like an accord or camry then, although both of those only have manual-4, no manual-6
[16:33] <jamesglanville> is there much advantage to having manual-6 in a normal car? seems like at some point clutch wear is going to negate the advantage of more gears
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[16:33] <mkopack> Well, by the time I'm ready for another new car (like 7 years from now) there might not even be transmissions??? might be all CVT and/or electric drivetrains
[16:34] <mkopack> I really need to start riding the motorcycle more though??? I've put 25K miles on the explorer in 1 year...
[16:34] <mkopack> And I only got the extended warranty to 100K
[16:36] <traeak> jamesglanville: probably so. my dad's new truck is automatic. the last manual he had he burned the clutch up twice on mountain passes
[16:36] <traeak> jamesglanville: but a manual-6 would be damn fun i bet
[16:36] <traeak> manual-6 as in 6 cylinder
[16:37] <traeak> not 6 gears (sorry)
[16:37] <jamesglanville> yeah i'd love to drive a proper car, best thing i've driven was a lousy people carrier
[16:37] <jamesglanville> ah right
[16:37] <traeak> 5speed or bust
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> 4L I6 + 5MT FTW :D
[16:37] <mkopack> Friends of mine have a Lotus Exige that I'm DYING to take for a spin...
[16:38] <traeak> he was hauling a 30ft 5th wheel RV when he burned up those clutches with a diesel 6 (cummins turbo)
[16:38] <mkopack> That thing looks like a little rocket
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[16:38] <traeak> so yeah, apparently for hauling a manual transmission can be a liability
[16:39] <mkopack> they've owned it for 6 months??? and it's spent 5 of them in the shop getting repaired after the wife spun it out on wet pavement and hit the curb and it broke the front A-arm, collapsed the wheel and cracked the bodywork
[16:39] <mkopack> $45K in damage!
[16:39] <traeak> oof
[16:39] <mkopack> they only just got it back from the shop like 2 weeks ago
[16:40] <traeak> poor tires? low wieght?
[16:40] <mkopack> Well, it basically has race tires on it...
[16:40] <traeak> ahh, slick then?
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[16:40] <mkopack> She was coming around of curve, driving faster than she should have been, in the morning on the way to work, and hit a patch of water??? Instantly hydroplaned
[16:41] <traeak> when i was learning on that mercedes it had some pretty sticky tires on it. i tried to spin it out several times during an ice storm and couldn't
[16:41] <mkopack> yeah, they're not race slicks, but not a hell of a lot of tread depth either
[16:44] <Tachyon`> hrm, the raspberry pi twitter has been dead lately
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[16:45] <mkopack> Yeah, well, Liz does that??? And they're on vaca
[16:45] <mkopack> But I do wish we'd get SOME sort of info
[16:45] <mkopack> This is one of those cases where "No News is *NOT* good news!"
[16:45] <jamesglanville> I really wish I knew about the rs situation
[16:46] <jamesglanville> I'm supposed to have one of the first batch, but i don't know if i go away i'll miss it because they'll just sell them to the next people if they don't hear back quickly
[16:46] <mkopack> But then, they probably also don't want to go announcing things like "RS+Farnell now have their allotments from the first 10,000" because then everyone will be hammering those companies asking "Where the hell is my RPi?!?!"
[16:46] <mkopack> I'm starting to wonder if RS knows the RS situation!
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[16:50] <des2> Seems clear that RS itself won't take actual orders until they have the PIs in hand.
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[16:51] <mkopack> yeah
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[16:58] <piofcube> LOL@ PI-rate bay post on the forums
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[16:59] <mkopack> Yeah, those are just retarded
[17:00] <mkopack> somebody on the forums has a hard on for Pirate Bay
[17:00] <Hourd> mmmmm Pirate Bay
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[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> PiRate ?
[17:03] <piofcube> Arr ye scurvy dog!
[17:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://ipcc-uk.blogspot.com ?
[17:04] <piofcube> oh no.. talk like a pirate day is in september.. sorry ;-)
[17:06] <piofcube> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/pirate-bay-to-take-its-servers-to-the-skies-1072089 something like that O_o
[17:08] <piofcube> Reminds me of many a conversation I had with a client many moons ago... Why can't we put a high power access point on the top of our building so our staff can use their wifi dongles around our grounds? Why does the range matter on their laptops... Our transmitter can reach that far, it shouldn't be a problem... LOL
[17:10] <traeak> probably FCC would haven't problems with the amount of power you'd be pushing
[17:10] <traeak> would have even (ugh)
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[17:10] <piofcube> Yeah I guess the engines on a low flying aircraft might also have issues with them LOL
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[17:22] <mkopack> Yeah, it's fine if the airborne unit has enough power to blast out so you can receive, but unless it has some seriously sensitive antenna's, you're going to need an equally powerful transmitter on your ground station to send back
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[17:22] <mkopack> That's why those Sat-based internet services all use the Sat dish for downlink of data ONLY, and upstream is done over standard phone line
[17:23] <mkopack> (at least the ones like HughesNet that use the digital SatTV dishes...)
[17:23] <piless> You must get a horrible latency rate.
[17:23] <haltdef> some are up and down nowadays
[17:23] <traeak> not for gaming certainly
[17:23] <mkopack> You Do
[17:23] <mkopack> but if that's all you can get where you live, no choice
[17:24] <mkopack> halt: I didn't realize they had uplink going through them now??? wouldn't have thought they'd be able to put out enough signal power to get to the sat
[17:24] <des2> Only for turn-based games...
[17:24] <piless> I'm on mobile internet at the moment.. and my latency rate is 300+ms. It's painful.
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[17:24] <haltdef> your provider's a bit cack I think, I used to manage 100ms or so
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[17:25] <mkopack> the military has been looking at concepts for using Unmanned blimp- type assets at high altitude (like 60K+ ft) to act almost like a low-altitude comms + surveillance sat...
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[17:25] <mkopack> Park a couple over the battlefield, and drastically increase the available bandwidth to units on the ground, with much lower latency than using the sats
[17:26] <piless> wouldn't a blimp be any easy target though?
[17:27] <piless> Unless they painted it pink
[17:27] <piofcube> I thought that was what awacs was for... But I guess a blimb could just hang there and be a nice slow-moving target... No wonder they made them unmanned LOL
[17:27] <jamesglanville> I guess you'd just try and put out loads of the things
[17:27] <Dagger2> mkopack: bear in mind the satellite needs enough power to get a usable signal over the entire of the country, whereas the ground station only needs to get a usable signal over the satellite's dish... so the required transmit power is much lower
[17:27] <mkopack> True...
[17:27] <piless> You gotta use pink paint to camouflage things against the sky.
[17:27] <mkopack> so I guess the same would be said for this concept by the Pirate Bay
[17:28] <mkopack> but I thikn they're going to run into serious FCC+FAA violations (replace with similar agencies in your country) if they tried something like this.
[17:28] <mkopack> AWACS is airborne air traffic control.
[17:28] <piofcube> problem with that.. the sat dishes are aimed at the birds... you couldn't aim your wifi at the little things PB are doing without some serious mil-grade tech, surely?
[17:29] <mkopack> JSTARS is Airborne ground control (that thing has a MASSIVe side scan ground radar to track ground units.)
[17:29] <piofcube> mkopack: and the AWACS also provide comms?
[17:29] <mkopack> pio: Nonsense??? There are directional Wifi antennas you can get..
[17:29] <piless> http://i.imgur.com/C7rcv.jpg
[17:30] <piless> I have a directional wifi antenna
[17:30] <piofcube> mkopack how you going to know where to aim them... if the little thing is moving around and you're in the house?
[17:30] <mkopack> pio: Not point to point. They're strictly like having an airborne air traffic control center. They have a big ass powerful radar to see what's in the air and direct fighters to intercept air targets
[17:30] <mkopack> pio: Yeah, that's the problem??? You'd need some way to track the drone to aim the signal. At that point, it defeats the purpose, if we can track it, so can the gov officials and then use shoot it down
[17:31] <piless> I have one of those mofos, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2-4ghz-8dbi-sma-high-gain-dish-directional-antenna-for-wifi-wireless-network-2400-2483mhz-32023
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[17:32] <piofcube> Google will soon be sticking pins in their maps showing PB downloaders next time they do their driver-bys ;-)
[17:32] <piofcube> drive-bys**
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[17:34] <piofcube> Putting so much time and money into doing all this might make PB become a paid service... how ironic that would be LOL
[17:35] <des2> They already make enough $$$ from running it.
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[17:36] <piofcube> you mean they don't do it purely for humanitarian reasons? ;-)
[17:37] <des2> No that would be private trackers.
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[17:40] <mkopack> Plus, they'd need so damn many of them it would be infeasible
[17:41] <piofcube> Not that I want to start a huge debate on piracy but... even if they sued all the dowloaders, constatnly jailed/fined the trackers... There is still someone making huge piles of cash from it all... Those advertisers that pay the trackers for those ads. I might be wrong but I haven't read any major feeds describing how those have been actioned against and they must know what these sites are doing...
[17:42] <des2> Yeah tremendous advertising on sites from mainstream companies.
[17:42] <mkopack> Now I DID work on a couple interesting concepts where we talked about making dynamic Mesh networks using ground or air drones??? You deploy them and they spread out and arrange themselves to provide a mesh radio network for voice+data comms to units on the ground.
[17:42] <piofcube> and most of those advertiser probs are owned by the likes of warner/sony/etc
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[17:43] <mkopack> If you needed more bandwidth due to a higher OPS tempo in one region ,the network would sense the need and move more nodes into that area to speed up the network
[17:43] <piless> mkopack: make the drone attack you if you enter the wrong wifi password
[17:43] <piofcube> piless: I forgot my password... "Look up"
[17:44] <mkopack> Or if you needed a group to get only periodic dat updates, you upload the data to 1 UAV, detach it from the mesh, have it fly to within range of that group off on it's own, deliver the data payload to them, receive any waiting updates from them and then it flies back and rejoins the mesh, sharing that data.
[17:44] <piless> well, you could send it out broadcasting it an open network.. then when the terrorists try to connect to it with their iphones and their macbooks they'll get attacked by the drones
[17:45] <mkopack> We had all kinds of different concepts for how it would work. It was really neat
[17:45] <mkopack> Didn't get funded though.
[17:45] <piless> fuck 'em. do it yourself
[17:45] <piless> if some random germans can start a space program you can create a bunch of manhacks
[17:46] <piofcube> mkpack: that could be useful for wide areas... just guessing here but a light enough drone with really wide airsurfaces could use solar to help with power... Could be something of benefit to areas with lots of sun.
[17:46] <piless> but what if they need to invade sweden?!
[17:47] <piless> solar won't help much
[17:47] <piofcube> they have solar powered car races in australia
[17:47] <des2> Yeah I can see a permant solar powered drone mesh flying array
[17:47] <piless> fuck australia
[17:47] <piless> too many things to kill you
[17:47] <mkopack> Well, the big problem (and it's the same one that cell companies have) is that buildings cause HUGE radio shadows...
[17:48] <mkopack> So for airborne networks, you need lots of nodes, high enough up that there is direct Line of Sight to at least 1 node no matter where you're standing.
[17:48] <piless> well then only deploy it where there's no buildings. problem solved
[17:48] <piofcube> mkopack: yeah there's loads of radio dead zones around where I live
[17:48] <mkopack> And if you're indoors, you really need another network on the ground to bounce signal around inside...
[17:49] <mkopack> SO you need a mix of land and ground based mobile nodes
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[17:50] <mkopack> Google for "LanDroids"???. I worked on a team that pitched for that. We got phase 1 funding, but didn't get selected for the Phase 2 full up
[17:50] <piless> hold them hostage
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[17:52] * mkopack wonders how much load one of those toy blimps can carry???. Hmmm
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[17:52] <piless> 50 grams
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[17:54] <mkopack> http://www.rc-zeppelin.com/RC%20Zeppelins%20indoor-outdoor.html
[17:54] <mkopack> Whoa! Look at the bottom one!
[17:54] <mkopack> That is some serious sh*T
[17:54] <mkopack> 3.5kg useful payload!
[17:54] <mkopack> Wonder how well it deals with winds.....
[17:55] <mkopack> oh, 3-4 m/s winds
[17:55] <mkopack> crap. That's not much
[17:55] <piless> get a shark shaped one
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[17:56] <mkopack> So about 9 MPH max...
[17:56] <des2> zepplin + wind = bad
[17:56] <piless> fuck helium, fill it with hydrogen
[17:57] <mkopack> Need diff materials for hydrogen. VERY reactive with other elements
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[18:01] <piless> mkopack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UncYEo_ToI
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[18:02] <mkopack> Nice??? That thing would be nearly invisible to radar
[18:02] <mkopack> and except maybe sun glinting off it, would be possible to see from the ground too at higher altitudes
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[18:06] <des2> We're on the verge of a new era. When everyone has a spy cam in the sky.
[18:07] <piless> doubtful, as soon as the tech is readily available to consumers governments will ban it
[18:07] <jamesglanville> will they, or will it be used for crime prevention, then state abuse?
[18:07] <piless> I meant ban it for consumers.
[18:08] <jamesglanville> oh
[18:08] <jamesglanville> yeah
[18:08] <jamesglanville> it'd be tricky to ban though
[18:08] <jamesglanville> and you can't shoot them down or they'll crash and hit people
[18:08] <mkopack> Here in the US, the FAA is already setting up the rules for UAV's in the airspace??? Mostly so law enforcement can use them
[18:08] <piofcube> Theyd probs just fall back on the modem licenses they were trying to put forward 20 years ago
[18:08] <mkopack> But also so they can be used for things like Crop monitoring and such
[18:09] <piless> batteries wouldn't last long
[18:09] <mkopack> individuals will probably be limited to line-of-sight control, with a limited range, and certain size/payload/altitude restrictions
[18:10] <piless> Hmm, do you reckon you could automate it like a roomba?
[18:10] <piless> set it to look through the hot neighbours bedroom window at 6am
[18:10] <piless> streaming video straight to your laptop
[18:12] <mkopack> lol
[18:12] <mkopack> can't see why not!
[18:12] <mkopack> Robo Peeping Tom :)
[18:13] <jamesglanville> that sort of thing is surely going to happen. also, i was thinking a quadcopter for example would be a very good way to sell drugs to people - small payload, hard to trace
[18:13] <piless> the thing is.. everyone always makes sure to close their curtains when the go to sleep, but they don't really think people will be peeping when they're getting dressed first thing
[18:14] <piless> maybe they'll force all the manufacturers to phone home to the cia like they do with mobile phones.
[18:14] <traeak> back in the 90's there was a standard executive order that no spy assets would be used on US soil
[18:14] <traeak> soundsl ike that executive order has been rescinded
[18:14] <des2> Actually they have a loophole for that.
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[18:15] <des2> Some other country does the spying and passes the data back to the US
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[18:15] <piless> what about these gps trackers they've been illegally sticking on cars. Doesn't that count as spying?
[18:18] <traeak> answer: starve the governmet for money. force an immediate 80% cut in funds
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[18:20] <des2> They'll just borrow it.
[18:20] <jamesglanville> or cut important services at the same time so that it would be impossible to sustain for normal people
[18:21] <mkopack> Ok, let's not get into politics here. That always turns into a headache
[18:22] <Hourd> indeed
[18:23] <piless> lets talk about tits
[18:23] <jamesglanville> they are nice
[18:23] <mkopack> Some are! some are nasty???
[18:24] <piless> my favourite pair of tits, http://i.imgur.com/vivyR.jpg
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[18:24] <mkopack> Like, I hate when a chick gets fakes and you can see the ripples in the sides of the bags and stuff
[18:24] <mkopack> (debating braving the INSANE pollen levels to run out and get some lunch)
[18:25] <piless> wear a ww2 gas mask
[18:25] <Hourd> mkopack: dont do it...order in
[18:25] <Henchman21> just pollen yo
[18:25] <Henchman21> plant sperm
[18:26] <ewan> lawl
[18:26] <piless> mkopack: have you ever tried the eating local honey thing?
[18:27] <mkopack> Wow, Apple is going to pay a dividend and then buy back $10B worth of it's stock. That's going to make the price go up even more than it already is! geesh
[18:27] <mkopack> piless: With the pollen at 8000 today, it wouldn't matter. The stuff gets in your eyes and feels like sandpaper
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[18:28] <piless> mkopack: how can you check the pollen levels?
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[18:28] <mkopack> Nat weather service has it AFAIK
[18:28] <piless> mkopack: I've never seen anything mentioning the pollen levels in england.
[18:28] <mkopack> They have it on Weather.com
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[18:30] <piless> weather.com isn't mentioning anything about pollen for me
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[18:31] <mkopack> http://www.weather.com/activities/health/allergies/
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[18:32] <piless> Please select another location. Pollen forecasts are only available for the contiguous United States (data for Hawaii and Alaska is not currently available).
[18:32] <piless> cunts
[18:32] <mkopack> lol??? sorry??? doesn't UK have a weather service?
[18:32] <Pulser> yes it does :P
[18:33] <Henchman21> if the queen runs back into her castle from seeing her shadow
[18:33] <mkopack> Like Royal Weather Service or something like that?
[18:33] <piless> mkopack: metoffice
[18:34] <Henchman21> if the chiken bones are overlapping then the queens voodoo priest...
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[18:35] <Henchman21> why is there a van outside my house?!?
[18:35] <mkopack> Ok, time to brave the pollen. Wish me luck!
[18:35] <piofcube> Henchman21 Farnell delivery?
[18:35] <piless> rip mkopack
[18:35] <Henchman21> wear a n95 mask
[18:36] <Henchman21> if youre that scared
[18:36] <Henchman21> hold your breath 8D
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[18:38] <piless> I'm going to assume he died
[18:39] <des2> Dibbs on his PI order place!
[18:39] <piless> fuck
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[19:05] <cousteau> I forgot... Happy (belated) Pi day!
[19:05] <mkopack> Back??? OMG the hood on my BLACK car is now GREEN
[19:05] <cousteau> your car got moss?
[19:09] <mkopack> Worse - Tree Spooge???. Pollen
[19:10] <cousteau> yuck
[19:11] <cousteau> So... anyone got an RPi yet? how long are they supposed to take? a month or so?
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[19:11] <cousteau> (by the way, why is this channel voice-only?)
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[19:12] <mkopack> cousteau: because on release day it was a frickin MAD HOUSE in here
[19:13] <mkopack> so they made it voice only to cut down the number of newbs coming in and just killing the channel bitching about how to order
[19:13] <mkopack> and no, nobody can haz R-Pi!
[19:13] <mkopack> yet
[19:14] <mkopack> and the foundation has been basically silent since Eben + Liz are on vacation (or at least were last week)
[19:14] <cousteau> ok... anyway, I heard they ordered some RPis in my electronics lab... if I'm right that's gonna rock
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[19:15] <SpeedEvil> It's one per person
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[19:20] <wjoe> ugh. just took most of the day to get redmine running with apache
[19:20] <wjoe> oops
[19:20] <wjoe> wrong channel
[19:20] <des2> Right now it's none per person.
[19:20] <cousteau> SpeedEvil, well, there are many persons in this lab...
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[19:57] <puffin6> chocolate dipped bacon? whats that taste like? :)
[20:00] <des2> It can't be described...
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[20:02] <traeak> frankly i've never had chocolate dipped bacon
[20:02] <traeak> i have had bacon jam before
[20:03] <traeak> hmm
[20:03] <traeak> anyways
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[20:05] <mkopack> Hmm, interesting 60 Minutes piece on SpaceX last night....
[20:05] <mkopack> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50121782n&tag=contentBody%3BstoryMediaBox
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[20:08] <cousteau> puffin6, http://imgur.com/gallery/hh4yu
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[20:24] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/r2xde/unimportant_but_now_theres_a_tm_next_to_the/
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[20:24] <zgreg> someone speculating the trademark means the rpi foundation is moving to be less open. just wow. :)
[20:25] <zgreg> people are stupid, as usual.
[20:26] <traeak> as mentioned before (didnt' read the forums) if you don't protect your trademark you'll effectively lose it
[20:26] <zgreg> yes
[20:26] <traeak> and they need to protect themselves from copycat cloners
[20:26] <zgreg> a trademark is a good thing, almost always
[20:27] <zgreg> actually, it surprise me it took them so long...
[20:27] <traeak> copycat cloners passing junk off as a raspberry pi
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[20:27] <traeak> because the foundation doesn't seem to be business people
[20:27] <slaeshjag> Meh, soon the chinese will be out with the BlueberryCaek :)
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[20:27] <traeak> or whatever
[20:27] <mkopack> Exactly, if you fail to protect your trademark, it immediately becomes null and void. That way you can't pick and choose who to go after for trademark infringement.
[20:27] <mkopack> Either you go after everyone, or you lose it and can go after nobody
[20:27] <des2> Arduino is about as open as you can get and they have "Arduino" trademarked.
[20:28] <traeak> nothing evil about trademarks as long as you aren't trying to trademark something obvious
[20:28] <traeak> ie: trademark after the fact and abuse the legal system for moneymaking
[20:28] <mkopack> yes, and the only products that can be named Arduino are the ones they produce??? Anyone is allowed to create an "arduino compatible" device, but they can't name it Arduino
[20:28] <traeak> like apple trying to trademark "app store"
[20:29] <traeak> that's an evil use
[20:29] <zgreg> I think they also wanted to trademark "app"
[20:30] <zgreg> which is of course super ridiculuous
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[20:30] <traeak> make trademark system as stupid as software patents
[20:31] <des2> http://www.geekwire.com/2012/amazon-appstore-marks-year-fighting-apple-trademark
[20:31] <piofcube> Facebook registered terms relating to writing on the wall even though there used to be a very popular BBS plugin called "Write on the wall"... Patent and Trademark trolling should be stopped IMHO
[20:31] <zgreg> it's sad, because the trademark system is useful, as opposed to (software) patents
[20:32] <piofcube> Microsoft once patented double-clicking on a mouse... *sigh*
[20:32] <zleap> ouch
[20:33] <traeak> yes, software patents is correct. Hardware patents are somewhat useful, although i'm sure those are also somewhat open for abuse
[20:33] <cousteau> heh, was about to say the double click thing
[20:33] <traeak> one big problem we've run into for software patents
[20:33] <cousteau> MS also patented a clone for the program "sudo"
[20:33] <zgreg> hey, amazon even patented one click!
[20:33] <traeak> companies patenting ideas but they are unable to actually write the code that the patent covers because they can't figure out the proper algorithms
[20:33] <traeak> we've run into that
[20:33] <traeak> in one case we wrote a patent that basically "surrounded" their patent making it useless
[20:33] <cousteau> traeak, so they patent "whatever thing whoever invents that does this"
[20:34] <traeak> because we could actually implement the math models and deploy a product
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> Patents are evil.
[20:34] <zgreg> traeak: uhhh... you can't patent idea. so any patent that just describes some general, ambigious idea should be null and void...
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> In many cases.
[20:34] <zgreg> *ideas
[20:34] <cousteau> like "I patent the cure for cancer. If someone ever makes a cure for cancer the idea for doing that is mine, and they have to pay royalties to me"
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> 'a substance to protect metal - on a flying car'
[20:34] <piofcube> A lot of patents and trademarks are allowed because some companies register bad patents/etc with countries that have very poor admin of them but other countries just accept it because of treaties etc
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[20:35] <piofcube> British telecom once patented a flyinf saucer about 30 years ago
[20:35] <mkopack> You mean like how Susan G Kohmen has been going after people who are using the terms "For a Cure" because that's THEIR tag line?
[20:35] <zgreg> if the patent office would actually do its job and check patents for validity and prior art, the patent system would have much fewer problems
[20:35] <des2> In the US you can patent methods/processes.
[20:35] <traeak> my partner jsut derived an extremely revolutionary algorithmn
[20:35] <mkopack> ie: we're all for you contributing for breast cancer research, but ONLY if you funnel the money through US!
[20:36] <cousteau> des2, well, that's different to patenting results
[20:36] <cousteau> also, I think it's pretty hard to keep that patent
[20:36] <cousteau> people could just copy the patent and tell them "our manufacturing process is secret"
[20:36] <piofcube> not if you patent the design of the machine that creates the magic drug
[20:36] <traeak> basically given n-dimentsional locations with gaussian distributions in each dimension...he is able to make the distance measurement distribution fully gaussian itself
[20:36] <traeak> i told him we need to patent that
[20:37] <traeak> just to be assholes
[20:37] <beardface> don't support that sham of a 'charity'
[20:37] <beardface> Susan G Kohmen is a pile of waste
[20:37] <beardface> its gotten to big to be useful
[20:37] <zgreg> who the fuck is susan g kohmen?
[20:37] <beardface> breastcancer survivor
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[20:37] <beardface> and owns the patent for the color pink
[20:37] <piofcube> beardface: Hey there... long time no speak
[20:38] <cousteau> so she patented breast cancer survival so if anyone else survives breast cancer they have to pay her royalties?
[20:38] <beardface> sorry, busy building a 3d printer
[20:38] <beardface> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-3D-Printer-Printrbot-Fully-Assembled-and-Calibrated-/180845847494?pt=COMP_Printers&hash=item2a1b40a3c6#ht_712wt_1185
[20:38] <traeak> measurement distribtions the traditional way fall into chi-squared
[20:38] <piofcube> beardface: Was that what all those cogs were for?
[20:38] <beardface> yeah :)
[20:38] <zgreg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_G._Komen_for_the_Cure#Controversy_and_criticism
[20:38] <zgreg> wow
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> I've pondered patenting 'A device with sensors directly or indirectly sensing the weak, strong, electromagnetic and gravitic force, with a computing element, and actuators driven by the results of the computing element utilising the aforementioned interactions'
[20:39] <zgreg> half the wikipedia page is about controversies regarding her
[20:39] <piofcube> beardface: that model arrived in 2 days... Thanks muchly.. just what I needed
[20:39] <cousteau> a friend of mine wanted to patent the musical scale
[20:39] <zgreg> what kind of stupid tagline is "for the cure" anyway?
[20:39] <beardface> arrived in 2 days to UK?
[20:39] <piofcube> yeah :)
[20:39] <zgreg> oh shit, now I'll get sued :D
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cure
[20:39] <beardface> holy crap
[20:40] <beardface> that is amazing... go USPS.
[20:41] <des2> I hate reserve price auctions.
[20:42] <cousteau> I'm going to make a program that patents random stuff just to annoy people
[20:43] <mkopack> Beard: That 3D printer any good?
[20:43] <beardface> des2: I love them as a seller
[20:43] <mkopack> Ouch, $1200 is a bit too much for my blood
[20:43] <beardface> I'm not letting a 700 dollars printer go for 200 bucks
[20:43] <beardface> 1200 buy it now
[20:43] <beardface> reserve is 500 lower
[20:43] <mkopack> Is that yours that you're selling?
[20:43] <beardface> yeah, i made it
[20:44] <beardface> its not worth 1200
[20:44] <mkopack> Well, still more than I can swing right now
[20:44] <beardface> you'd be an idiot to buy it for that
[20:44] <beardface> np
[20:44] <mkopack> Still, looks nice!
[20:44] <beardface> 700 is fair, those as kits are 649 unassembled
[20:44] <mkopack> Yeah, makes sense
[20:44] <beardface> assembly takes about 20 hours
[20:44] <beardface> and that has upgrades
[20:45] <mkopack> One day I'll own one...
[20:45] <beardface> :) you can self source parts to build one for ~400
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[20:45] <beardface> if you are thrifty
[20:45] <mkopack> Wel, the printable parts I could probably get guys @ the robotics club to print for me...
[20:45] <piofcube> cousteau: you should patent that idea
[20:45] <des2> New pollen record in Atlanta: http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-weather-pollen-count-1389944.html
[20:45] <mkopack> After that it's finding the stepper motors and such
[20:46] <mkopack> des: Yeah it's INSANE here
[20:46] <cousteau> piofcube, of course, that was the first idea
[20:46] <mkopack> I went out at lunch and the hood of my BLACK Explorer is GREEN
[20:46] <beardface> mkopack: let me know if you're serious, I know where the best prices are
[20:46] <beardface> i get great steppers, 6.50 per
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[20:46] <mkopack> Beard: Well, probably can't even consider it until this summer at the earliest
[20:46] <cousteau> heh, I'm gonna patent "Patenting stupid ideas" and claim royalties on everything I consider stupid
[20:46] <beardface> np, where are you from?
[20:46] <mkopack> I'd have no time to really use it until after I finish up grad school anyhow
[20:46] <beardface> I"m teaching a class next fall at the college building those printers
[20:46] <cousteau> (of course "Patenting stupid ideas" is a stupid idea itself, but it's ok since I'd have the patent)
[20:47] <mkopack> the aforementioned tree-sperm capitol of Atlanta, GA
[20:47] <beardface> lol
[20:47] <beardface> im in stl, mo
[20:48] <mkopack> the guys in my robotic club LOVE their 3D printers though??? able to print up a ton of parts for their robots
[20:48] <mkopack> One guy it working on trying to make a low-cost completely printable robotic (sans electronics of course) so he can make a bunch of them cheap and do swarm stuff with them
[20:48] <cousteau> how sturdy are those pieces?
[20:49] <mkopack> Pretty damn sturdy from what I've seen...
[20:49] <beardface> i love love love my 3d printers
[20:49] <beardface> study as hell
[20:49] <beardface> PLA plastic is rock hard
[20:49] <cousteau> mkopack, I once designed a "labyrinth solver" robot with no electronics at all
[20:49] <beardface> *sturdy
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[20:49] <beardface> you can adjust the strength of prints with different layer sizes and infill
[20:49] <cousteau> only the motor, but it could go with a clock mechanism with a spring or something
[20:50] <mkopack> nice
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[20:53] <mkopack> Yeah, I basically want to have 2 things: a CNC router table for etching/drilling circuit boards, and a 3D printer for printing robot parts
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[20:56] <beardface> i prefer to just breadboard circuits
[20:56] <beardface> then send the design to iteadstudio in china
[20:57] <beardface> they print great boards
[20:57] <beardface> ~3 wks to us though
[20:57] <beardface> cheap
[20:57] <mkopack> UGH, I HATE wiring up circuits on breadboards??? PITA
[20:57] <mkopack> I usually do 1-offs so easier to make it myself
[20:57] <beardface> yeah
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[20:57] <mkopack> but be nice to be able to mill a board and then just solder it up
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[21:00] <des2> beardface what steppers are you using ?
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[21:00] <beardface> des2: http://tinyurl.com/6omyaar
[21:01] <beardface> he stopped selling them :(
[21:01] <beardface> oh wait!
[21:01] <beardface> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nema17-Stepper-Motor-7-5-ohm-0-8-Amp-1-8-Deg-3400g-cm-CNC-Reprap-Arduino-/180790704516?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a17f73984#ht_720wt_1185
[21:02] <des2> thanks
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[21:03] <haltdef> is it bad that I suddenly like debian a whole lot more now I've yoinked gentoo's pretty colours? :x
[21:04] <mkopack> lol
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[21:04] <mkopack> Noooos! Must use the Gentoo on the Pi :)
[21:04] <haltdef> it's probably the best bet tbh
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[21:04] <haltdef> binary pi specific packages should be doable with portage
[21:05] <mkopack> Yeah??? that way you get something EXACTLY optimized for the Pi's HW
[21:05] <mkopack> I'm hoping somebody puts up a Gentoo build so we can use that
[21:05] <mkopack> I don't like how the Debian build doesn't had HW FP
[21:05] <mkopack> And the Fedora just doesn't do it for me
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[21:06] <mkopack> Plus I think it would be nice to learn + use Gentoo
[21:06] <haltdef> gentoo is my favourite distro
[21:06] <mkopack> I started reading through the beginning of LinuxFromScratch 7.1 last night
[21:06] <haltdef> it's just too slow installing stuff on the pandaboard though, even with distcc
[21:06] <mkopack> I don' t care if it'll take a week to compile up a basic Gentoo system on the Rpi??? Not like I don't have other computers to use in the mean time!
[21:07] <haltdef> building an entire rootfs on the pi would not be good
[21:07] <mkopack> I'm thinking of picking up a Panda ES as well
[21:07] <mkopack> and I should have 2 pi's???
[21:07] <haltdef> just setup my pandaboard ES in the server cupboard
[21:08] <haltdef> bit of a waste but cool
[21:08] <mkopack> If some of the compile for Gentoo can be distributed to my Mac Pro I could probably do things really fast :)
[21:08] <haltdef> that's what I did on the panda, 30% cpu max
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[21:08] <haltdef> on the i7
[21:08] <haltdef> think the single usb port shared between the hdd and lan port was the bottleneck
[21:08] <mkopack> Ah, just too much overhead in the network transfers and such?
[21:09] <mkopack> Ah yeah, probably
[21:09] <haltdef> gentoo makes cross compiling very easy
[21:09] <haltdef> emerge crossdev, crossdev -t armv6-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[21:09] <haltdef> or something
[21:09] <mkopack> I know jack squat about it honestly
[21:10] <mkopack> So I could set up a Gentoo on my Mac pro, then do that above to get it compiling for the RPi / Panda ?
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[21:10] <haltdef> yeah
[21:10] <haltdef> though I haven't the faintest idea how to compile your own rootfs
[21:10] <haltdef> there's a prebuilt armv7 hardfloat stage3 so I didn't bother
[21:11] <beardface> Hm... my element14 Expected ship date is 02 Apr 2012
[21:11] <beardface> is that still valid?
[21:11] <mkopack> Well, that's fine for Panda??? not for Rpi
[21:11] <haltdef> exactly
[21:11] <mkopack> beard: who the F knows! At this point, I'd take any date with a grain of salt...
[21:12] <mkopack> At least until we start seeing posts from people receiving tracking #'s and units
[21:12] <beardface> yeah
[21:12] <mkopack> Mine from Newark is March 30
[21:12] <mkopack> If I order a PandaES this week, i'll probably get that before I get the RPi!
[21:12] <markit> do you think will rasberry be good for asterisk and voice transcoding? I'm very confused about it's cpu capabilities
[21:13] <mkopack> (wtf is asterisk?)
[21:13] <haltdef> video transcoding? not a chance
[21:13] <zleap> voip software
[21:13] <traeak> asterisk is a PBX
[21:13] <mkopack> markit: CPU is basically Pentium 300 Mhz performance
[21:13] <markit> mkopack: (www.asterisk.org, Free PBX)
[21:13] <beardface> pandaes?
[21:13] <mkopack> ah
[21:13] <haltdef> the gpu has encoding capabilities which might make it usable, but we won't have access to that straight away
[21:13] <traeak> considering people are using mips at 300MHz to run asterisk you are probably safe
[21:13] <mkopack> pandaboardES
[21:13] <Thorn_> CPU is basically core2quad 3ghz performance
[21:13] <haltdef> oh you said voice transcoding
[21:14] <haltdef> I should lrn2read
[21:14] <beardface> yikes 182
[21:14] <zleap> markit, goto http://irc.flashtek-uk.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi and ask gordon he may be able to help with that
[21:14] <traeak> Thorn_: hehe
[21:14] <beardface> thats a netbook
[21:14] <zleap> devon and cornwall lug irc channel
[21:14] <mkopack> Thorn: we WISH!
[21:14] <markit> uh, Pentium 300 Mhz performance with 256MB ram... are you sure is enough to run a GNU/Linux desktop and dev. tools?
[21:15] <zleap> pyton + command line should be fine on that
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[21:15] <mkopack> markit: YEs, you just can't go running a huge Eclipse IDE and have a ton of windows open
[21:15] <beardface> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM6111924407P?sid=IDx20070921x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00331676000 <- cheaper than pandaboard
[21:15] <mkopack> Python on command line, VI/EMACS will be fine
[21:15] <markit> also at school we have monitors with vga or some with dvi.. no hdmi... is it possible to have dvi + sound from hdmi?
[21:15] <conra> is already known when is accepted wholesale orders of raspberry pi?
[21:16] <markit> mmm lot of sarcasm here
[21:16] <mkopack> beard: Yes, but not really what I'm looking for - want something ARM based (for the super low power use) but much higher CPU than the RPi for robotics
[21:16] <conra> on my board one user ask me that question...
[21:16] <des2> Yes markit.
[21:16] <mkopack> DVI doesn't do sound
[21:16] <markit> mkopack: I know, that's the problem
[21:17] <mkopack> so you'll have to somehow split the sound pins out from the HDMI when you convert the video
[21:17] <markit> I've had a look around but found only hdmi to dvi conerters for video, no mention about sould
[21:17] <mkopack> Or just use the sound port, but that's non-amplified and pretty crummy from what I understand
[21:17] <markit> so a cheap PC that needs brand new monitors could be a problem
[21:18] <markit> oh, there is a sound port? I did not noticed, I'll have a look
[21:18] <mkopack> Markit: Well their idea was that many people have either older composite SD TV's or newer HDTV's with HDMI and would just use those
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[21:19] <mkopack> markit: Yeah, analog audio, but it's nothing stellar??? at best it's an MP3 player output
[21:19] <mkopack> line level output, non amplified
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[21:20] <des2> THe problem with HDMi is the included audio is digital.
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[21:20] <des2> Most audio devices are analog input
[21:22] <des2> Ultimatly with USB audio soundcards at $5 that's the cheapest way you your PC doesn't have analog audio out
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[21:23] <des2> Even the PI has analog audio out
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[21:27] <markit> thanks for the tips and clarifications
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[21:32] <mkopack> Stupid 4G hotspot decided to suddenly stop all Wifi connections.
[21:32] <mkopack> grr, can't wait until my contract for this thing ends in june and I tell Sprint to stuff this Wimax POS where the sun don't shine
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[21:35] <zer0her0> hehe wallpaper change, one screen macro photo of A4 chip, other screen silkscreen of RPi, yea i'm not a nerd.
[21:37] <_av500_> mkopack: hdmi has no sound pins
[21:37] <_av500_> the sound is inline
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[21:37] <mkopack> Ah, I didn't realize that??? So the HDMI-->DVI just ignores that data coming in?
[21:38] <_av500_> the dvi monitor will throw away the sound data
[21:38] <_av500_> its like ignoring teletext in analog video
[21:38] <mkopack> right??? gotchya. I didn't realize it was inlined in the data stream. I figured audio data was over it's own pins (but still in digital )
[21:39] <des2> heh. HDMI doesn't do teletext even.
[21:39] <des2> You have to stick into the video first.
[21:40] <_av500_> it does ethernet nowadays
[21:40] <des2> Yeah I've seen the HDMI + ethernet cables.
[21:40] <mkopack> Ok, gotta run. Just got the "Code Orange" signal from my buddies...
[21:40] <mkopack> Off to Hooters!
[21:40] <mkopack> later!
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[21:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ornamental-Gas-Meter-By-Pass-Kit-Gas-Meter-Link-Credit-Meter-Dream-Free-/300672684274?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=item46017d10f2 Ah - ebay.
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Who wouldn't want such a beautiful ornament.
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[21:46] <des2> Somehow I think they'd notice the ornamental add-on when they came to read the meter.
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[21:48] <_av500_> they will admire it in awe and totally forget what they came for...
[21:48] <_av500_> such beauty
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[21:49] <_av500_> i will paint mine racing green
[21:49] <ParadisoShlee> Have they released any stastics for the preorders/
[21:49] <_av500_> ordered: many, delivered: none
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[21:51] <ParadisoShlee> Awesome business model.
[21:51] <_av500_> it's all about the children!
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[21:54] <des2> I just want to know where the 10,000 are.
[21:54] <traeak> des2: china
[21:55] <des2> Have they been retrofitted yet ?
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[21:55] <mrdragons> I'm never going to get one. ._.
[21:56] <haltdef> I've kinda lost interest
[21:56] <haltdef> definitely a good thing for kids but I don't want one myself anymore
[21:57] <flaushy_> the 10k first batch are not send to costumers yet
[21:57] <flaushy_> ?
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[21:57] <des2> Kinda reminds me of the Texas Instruments $4.30 430 fiasco. By the time they finally shipped many has lost interest.
[21:58] <flaushy> des2: i think raspberrypi is still good, compared to openmoko
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[21:58] <flaushy> openmoko had a huge hype, way too early
[21:59] <flaushy> and if they mass produce devices in parallel, they could ship way more devices in the first batch, which is fine :)
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[22:01] <SpeedEvil> Openmoko did sell several thousand phones.
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[22:01] <mrdragons> haltdef: Same, I've checked the site like twice in the past 2 weeks, when I had been checking every day for months
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> The more recent upgrade board is considerably more limited in shipments.
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[22:04] <cousteau> what are the potential uses of a RPi?
[22:04] <mjr> ...
[22:04] <cousteau> arduino-ish things, or more like low-cost computers?
[22:04] <mjr> that's not at all a large question
[22:04] <PiKeY> posh calculator only
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[22:04] <mjr> personally I'm thinking it has swell potential in advancing ubicomp a bit
[22:05] <mjr> not hugely, but a bit
[22:05] <cousteau> (yeah, I know, a lot, but what would be the ones the development of RPi had in mind?)
[22:05] <mrdragons> Pirate box. ^_^
[22:05] <mjr> well, teaching kids programming? ;)
[22:05] <cousteau> oh, like embedded computers?
[22:05] <cousteau> oh, yes, that too
[22:05] <flaushy> SpeedEvil: but most ppl did turn their back on openmoko in the time between hype and shipping
[22:05] <cousteau> so that would be "cheap computers"
[22:06] <mrdragons> They'll probably end up all over the place in embedded stuff
[22:06] <mjr> yeah, essentially the pi can lower the threshold of "hmm, is it worth it to stick a computer to do this thing X here" considerably
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[22:10] <cousteau> so embedding computers
[22:11] <mjr> yeah
[22:11] <cousteau> also could be a nice tool for developing embedded stuff... and maybe in a future cellphones and the like are released which have the same architecture as a RPi
[22:11] <_av500_> symbian phones maybe
[22:12] <cousteau> what's symbian? something from the last decade?
[22:12] <mjr> doubtful, cellphones are likely to have more modern architectures than the pi ;)
[22:12] <mjr> (but similar as far as being an arm goes)
[22:12] <flaushy> for cellphones you should go beagle/panda
[22:12] <haltdef> hey, my android smartphone is armv6
[22:12] <haltdef> :(
[22:13] <flaushy> i think the omap from ti is pretty well around
[22:15] <cousteau> well, my cellphone is a
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[22:15] <cousteau> http://www.mobiles-price.com/sony-ericsson-mobiles/sony-ericsson-t280i/sony-ericsson-t280i-4.jpg
[22:15] <cousteau> ...a piece of ****
[22:16] <flaushy> hehe ^^
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[22:16] <flaushy> i hope a lot of ppl start embedded linux projects :) i think the rpi is great for that
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> flaushy: Apple hit in between, remember.
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[22:16] <SpeedEvil> flaushy: Openmoko could have had a shipping 'hacker' phone by christmas 2008.
[22:17] <flaushy> SpeedEvil: hm yeah and android as well. i just thought if the hype came later, they could have managed
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> But they did silly stuff like changing OS multiple times, and upgrading the hardware in what turned out to be a futile effort, rather than simply bugfixing and shipping.
[22:17] <flaushy> SpeedEvil: and openmoko deserves a lot of credit for showing that complex open hardware projects can work
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> - the GPU they picked turned out to be unsuited and _hideously_ slow. As in it was often a wash with doing it on the previous generation (half the speed)'s CPU.
[22:18] <flaushy> SpeedEvil: iirc they connected it wrong as well :(
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Not really. They connected it the only way there was to connect it.
[22:19] <flaushy> ok then they picked the wrong one
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> The only available bus had a bandwidth of ~ISA.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> There weren't really any others.
[22:19] <flaushy> i remember a lot of stuff was on that bus and that turned out to be the bottleneck
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> The better solution would have actually been to just lave it out, and go with framebuffer. But...
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> But there was no other bus.
[22:20] <flaushy> okie, didnt follow it too close
[22:20] <flaushy> basicly i saw the hype as a cs student, and the slow death of it :(
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> It could have been a phone with X + GTK + SMS + calls + some things like a calculator, rock-solid by xmas 2007.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> But it basically stalled for over a year trying to otucompete apple.
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[22:22] <traeak> note: dont' compete directly with apple
[22:23] <traeak> the best thing that can happen to you is that you get sued
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't that bad back then.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> But still - apple had _way_ more coders.
[22:24] <flaushy> and they could use good shiny hardware with NDAs
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't have been surprised if they could have shifted 50K of the above platform.
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> If it had been gotten out the door fast.
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> X - on a phone - with a kick-ass screen (for the time)
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[22:26] <PaulFertser> flaushy: while openmoko-the-company is dead, openmoko-the-community is still alive
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Indeed - a number of projects came out.
[22:28] <flaushy> PaulFertser: yeah i talked to some a year ago :)
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[22:43] <OneFix_Work> Anymore ideas on when the rPi will begin shipping?
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[22:43] <Thorn_> february
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[22:44] <OneFix_Work> Thorn_: Yea, I know :) My rPi (ordered from Newark on the day of launch) still says shipping on March 30th
[22:45] <OneFix_Work> So, do we know what the hold up is??? Are they having trouble sourcing the proper jacks?
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[22:50] <curahack> April 14 for me
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[23:07] <CuriosTiger> I haven't been allowed to place an order yet.
[23:07] <CuriosTiger> But that's ok, they'll get to me eventually
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[23:22] <zgreg> farnell germany is a bit depressing, they haven't given out any date yet... and I ordered early on launch day!
[23:23] <shirro> zgreg: farnell haven't given dates in many places because they don't know when they will have boards to ship. in countries where they have given dates I expect they are just wild guesses.
[23:24] <zgreg> I hope they're a bit more than wild guesses
[23:25] <matthiasb> Can the Raspberry Pi provide enough power for an 2.5" USB hard drive?
[23:25] <zgreg> I hope it doesn't turn out that farnell germany didn't get any boards of the first run or similar crap
[23:25] <OneFix_Work> I suspect that Newark will simply move the expected ship date the day before it's to ship, set a status of TBA or simply won't bother with the expected ship date
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[23:26] <OneFix_Work> I would, however, prefer that SOMEONE give some kind of idea as to when we will know something...
[23:27] <shirro> It is the 24 hour news cycle thing. You can sit around the tv listen to absolute crap which is mostly unsubstantiated rumour and "expert" opinion. Or you can get about your normal lives until someone has the facts.
[23:28] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: I think it's safe to say that NOONE has any boards of the first run right now...they are probably just testing the fix for the jacks...and may even be holding back until they can source proper components for the ethernet jack...it would probably cause more headaches if 20,000 people got theirs and the rest were waiting for 2 more months :)
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[23:29] <mrdragons> But ah want it nooow!
[23:29] <shirro> They may even be waiting for non-foundation production runs to produce stock so they don't have lots of people whining "what about me"
[23:29] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: sure, I simply hope global distribution of the boards will be somewhat fair
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[23:30] <shirro> Follow the sunrise. Start with New Zealand. Only fair way to do it.
[23:31] <OneFix_Work> shirro: No, we are way beyond the the "24 hour news cycle"...it's coming up on a month since some of us ordered...I don't think it's asking too much to simply get an idea about where we are
[23:32] <des2> I agree OneFix.
[23:32] <des2> Not unreasonable to know what's up with the 10,000 PIs
[23:33] <OneFix_Work> shirro: We aren't even looking for "they ship next week"...just a "they're still trying to source the parts" or "they are restarting manufacturing" or something similar...
[23:33] <des2> Especially when Liz implied they would be shipping last week.
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[23:33] <OneFix_Work> des2: Exactly
[23:33] <shirro> Yes, but the only people who know aren't saying anything. I thought they would be shipping last week so there could be something else wrong
[23:33] <des2> Less speculation more what's the PIs current status.
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[23:33] <OneFix_Work> I don't think it's too much to ask for a weekly update on there they are
[23:34] <des2> I agree.
[23:34] <shirro> Probably wasn't the best time to take a holiday
[23:34] <OneFix_Work> Even a twitter post would be nice. "Sorry, boards won't be going out yet. Part is proving difficult to source."
[23:35] <des2> Exactly.
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[23:37] <shirro> What they don't want to tell us: A ship flying a black flag with cassette and cross bones intercepted the shipment and stole all 10,000 boards.
[23:37] <traeak> the real answer was: desolder the ethernet and ship anyways
[23:40] <des2> Just tell people what the 10,000 board status is.
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[23:42] <OneFix_Work> traeak: They can't do that, they can't ship something that doesn't have a feature that they said it would.
[23:43] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Now, what they COULD do is switch to producing the Model-A boards...since those only require a single USB port
[23:43] <traeak> OneFix_Work: that's probably more difficult since it would involve having to "change the wiring"
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[23:44] <OneFix_Work> traeak: No, what I meant is that they could begin producing the Model-A boards at the factory...
[23:44] <traeak> ie: desolder the ether, usb, usb chip and solder single usb
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[23:44] <traeak> OneFix_Work: oh yeah, hopefully they are doing that, that's all i realy care about anyways
[23:45] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Only problem, it's a different board design and they still have to get the single USB part
[23:45] <OneFix_Work> But I would hope that they have been working on that anyhow,
[23:46] <shirro> I thought was only one board design for A and B
[23:47] <OneFix_Work> shirro: No, I'm pretty sure there is an extra chip on the Model-B board, plus the added Ethernet port
[23:48] <OneFix_Work> shirro: The chip takes the single USB input and splits it to the 2 USB ports and provides the ethernet port
[23:49] <shirro> extra chip, but same pcb. I think they could switch production to A for a second batch fairly easily. I wonder if RAM bump on A was because they wanted to switch to A production using B ram while sockets backordered?
[23:50] <shirro> I bet they wished they started with the model A
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[23:52] <traeak> wonder if they provided 2 sets of solder points, one set from the usb hub, the other from the soc
[23:52] <OneFix_Work> shirro: Dunno. I'm kind of upset that they have been keeping everyone in the dark. I understand that they don't want to make promises they can't keep, but they should be providing some sort of status for those of us that have ordered units...
[23:52] <traeak> i'm still mad they didn't do their gumstick computer middle of last year
[23:53] <OneFix_Work> I'm actually surprised that RS / Farnell have not been asking for a status update for their customers
[23:53] <traeak> hehe, pass the buck?
[23:53] <danieldaniel> Rs
[23:53] <danieldaniel> Y u so suck
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[23:57] <shirro> OneFix_Work: There could be legitimate reasons for not saying anything. The boards might be about to go out the door and they see no need when they have an announcement due tomorrow. Or there could be a contractual dispute with the manufacturer over rework costs and legal could be involved. Who knows?
[23:58] <OneFix_Work> shirro: I can only think that it's the 2nd reason, because if the boards didn't go out last week, then they should be letting us know.
[23:58] <OneFix_Work> shirro: And even in the case of a legal issue, they should be able to simply say that there is "another problem with production"
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