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IRC Log for 2012-03-21

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[0:06] <des2> No PI for you!
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[0:09] <Da|Mummy> because there is pi for you?
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[0:18] <des2> No, and I'm not asking either...
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[0:37] <mkopack> I'm about to throw this F'ing silverlight player out the window??? I'm trying to watch a lecture to review for my Final exam and the GD just freezes every 2 minutes. And the only way to get it playing again is to grab the slider and move it forward a little
[0:38] <zleap> not good
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[0:39] <mkopack> I HATE that my school continues to use this shit
[0:40] <Aethaeryn> So I 'expressed interest' a long time ago and never heard back in specific about raspberry pi, though I did get a general email that just listed the stuff the website sold.
[0:40] <piofcube> too many companies trying to re-invent the whell I think... What was wrong with all of the other media formats? :S
[0:40] <Aethaeryn> Should I go somewhere else?
[0:40] <piofcube> wheel*
[0:41] <Aethaeryn> Allied Electronics is the US site that people linked to in here a while back.
[0:41] <mkopack> some of the classes do it through a JAva applet and then when the class is done, it lets you download the lecture as an MP4 file. Which is usually WAYYYYY smaller in terms of overall bandwidth and I can watch it offline.
[0:41] <mkopack> This stupid silverlight crap they use only lets me watch by re-streaming it down every time
[0:41] <mkopack> Aethaeryn: try Newark Electronics
[0:41] <mkopack> That's the other US distributor
[0:42] <mkopack> You CAN order from them, but it's like June/July timeframe at this point
[0:42] <mkopack> (at least that's what the order receipts are telling people at this point)
[0:42] <mkopack> whether they make those dates, who knows...
[0:42] <mkopack> I have one ordered from there that has a MArch 30 estimated ship date, but I'm not at all confident that it'll ship that day
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> mkopack: I hope that class has nothing to do with technology.
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[0:44] <mkopack> compuer Graphics
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> lol
[0:44] <Aethaeryn> I question the value of learning from that class. Anyone who can tolerate horrible technology probably isn't a good technologist.
[0:45] <Aethaeryn> Almost all the comp sci classes at my university do not use "Blackboard" like most of the other classes do, they just run their own websites.
[0:45] <mkopack> We use Blackboard and the BBVista app with the Wimba Java applet works really well..
[0:45] <mkopack> IMO
[0:46] <piofcube> I liked Blackboard when it was free LOL
[0:46] <mkopack> But some of the classes (if they're in certain classrooms) they use the Silverlight based streaming stuff, and it's HORRIBLE
[0:46] <Aethaeryn> Silverlight broke my XP VM
[0:46] <mkopack> I made the mistake of letting Silverlight upgrade to V5 on my Mac pro and now I can't even get the plugin to RUN in any browser.
[0:46] <Aethaeryn> It isn't installed, but it thinks it is, so every now and then like a zombie it "updates" and reinstalls it partially, and is in a limbo where you can't install it because it's installed, and can't remove it because it's not really installed.
[0:47] <mkopack> Can't downgrade to V4 either
[0:47] <Aethaeryn> So I just wind up clearing all mentions of Silverlight in the registry and deleting all the silverlight stuff on disk, and it'll wind up coming back eventually.
[0:47] <Aethaeryn> I mean, damn that thing is a mess when it doesn't work.
[0:47] <mkopack> So instead I have to watch every lecture on my Macbook now??? 13" screen vs 24".. YAY. Grrr
[0:47] <piofcube> probs have to do some serious registry editing :S
[0:48] <Aethaeryn> Registry editing with regedit is terrible because you can't really automate it, search it properly, or modify it extensively without using the mouse. :-/
[0:48] <mkopack> They don't seem to see the issues there on campus, because they're ON the LAN.. when you're remote like me though it SUCKS
[0:49] <Aethaeryn> If Linux had a registry and I had that problem I would just "grep -r '\(S\|s\)ilverlight' ." and then once I found it, write some automated, quick solution to purge it.
[0:50] <Da|Mummy> hmm, im not sure if this is even a good question, but regarding the whole 1080p30 video out thing, how is that with say 5.1 or 7.1 sound?
[0:50] <Aethaeryn> Plain text files aren't just a good idea, they're the only way to get a neutral interface to something, which is pretty necessary for quick scripting to save time.
[0:50] <Aethaeryn> Well, plain text or something neutral like sqlite.
[0:51] <mkopack> Mummy: refresh my memory, does HDMI even support 7.1?
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[0:51] <mkopack> And other than that, your guess is as good as Mine until we have hardware to try it with
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[0:52] <Da|Mummy> mkopack, no idea....
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[0:55] <des2> HDMI supports 7.1
[0:56] <mkopack> ok, wasn't sure. I thought one of them (TOS link?) didn't do 7.1
[0:59] <shirro> why would you need 7.1 on an education computer?
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[1:01] <Da|Mummy> why would you advertise xbmc 1080p30 capability on an educational computer?
[1:01] <piofcube> xmbc can play educational videos as well as other movies ;-)
[1:02] <shirro> Da|Mummy: it was a technology demonstration
[1:03] <mkopack> well, to be fair, I don't think it was the RPF's plan to do that??? somebody just decided to try, and it worked. They showed the RPF, the RPF thought "Cool!" without thinking about the implications, and posted it to show off what the hardware could do???. And then the hordes defended!
[1:03] <shirro> it is a roku2 without a case or software. ofcourse it can play video
[1:03] <mkopack> desended
[1:03] <Da|Mummy> well, either way, one of my main uses, if not the main use for rpi, will be media playablity
[1:03] <Da|Mummy> i need something with a proper linux os and ext support though. i wish roku did ext2
[1:03] <techman2> I think if they had have known just how big demand would be they probably may have kept the XBMC stuff quiet.
[1:04] <mkopack> Great, now I can't even connect to the F'ing class video streams??? Either campus's network is slammed or their server is down or something. I can get to other stuff just fine
[1:04] <mkopack> dammit
[1:04] <shirro> techman2: at least they didn't show it playing any FPS games...
[1:04] <Da|Mummy> they showed quake
[1:05] <Da|Mummy> one of the first things they really showed...
[1:05] <Da|Mummy> Q3A
[1:05] <shirro> :-)
[1:05] <techman2> I think shirro is being sarcastic.
[1:06] <shirro> If they had just showed making a snake game in Python I would probably have one by now.
[1:06] <techman2> yeah probably
[1:06] <Da|Mummy> because they already produced so many?
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[1:08] <shirro> I think the Steve Jobs reality distortion field has found a new host at the RasPi foundation
[1:09] <shirro> mkopack: rip it and put it up as a torrent for the students that follow you
[1:09] <mkopack> I can't even get it playing to DO that!
[1:09] <mkopack> Torrenting it would MAKE SENSE
[1:09] <mkopack> but NOoooo
[1:10] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[1:10] * techman2 senses a touch of frustration...
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[1:10] <mkopack> Ya THINK?
[1:10] <GabrialDestruir> Why do people oppose torrents for legal means of file sharing? >.>
[1:10] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: they don't realise they have legal uses
[1:10] <mkopack> God I hate this??? In EVERY class eval I put "get rid of that stupid Silverlight streaming system" yet they keep on using it
[1:10] <techman2> I have no idea.
[1:11] <shirro> mkopack: they will have done a commercial deal. it is a microsoft product placement.
[1:11] <techman2> what's the reason they would want to use siverlight in the first place?
[1:12] <shirro> mkopack: it is reducing your fees, or paying for better facilities and lecturers or somethink
[1:12] <techman2> flash/silverlight suck
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[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> Personally it disgusts me how some people go all "TORRENTZ ZOMG YOU PIRATE YOU" Then they go and claim they've spent 20 years online and never used a torrent program in their life .-.
[1:13] <shirro> techman2: agreed. Not looking forward to getting abc iview working on the kids RaspberryPi. Son watches in the iPad at the moment but that is metered.
[1:14] <techman2> shirro: internode have iview unmetered.
[1:14] <shirro> ipad iview player has a notice saying is metered. i have internode
[1:15] <techman2> hrm
[1:15] <techman2> ahhh
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[1:16] <techman2> internode site says iview is metered on non flash streaming.
[1:16] <techman2> wonder why? more data?
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[1:17] <mchou> Da|Mummy: if you're expecting RPi to be as capable as Roku, you're gong to be disappointed
[1:17] <shirro> techman2: different stream from different servers for a different player
[1:17] <techman2> shirro: do you have a PS3?
[1:18] * techman2 misses internode
[1:18] <shirro> techman2: nope. not into consoles really. I have a mythtv that keeps the kids fed with abc kids.
[1:18] <techman2> ok
[1:18] <Tachyon`> http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/03/a_martian_supernova_for_skywat.php <- supernova
[1:19] <mchou> shirro: haha, I had so hoped RPi could have been a capable mythfrontend
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[1:19] <mchou> shirro: but alas no
[1:19] <shirro> mchou: why wouldn't it be?
[1:19] <techman2> bah. 2.5GB ISO coming down at < 40k/sec
[1:20] <mchou> shirro: cause transcoding is for the birds
[1:20] <mchou> shirro: especially for those of us in north america
[1:20] <shirro> mchou: oh, you mean lack of mpegs for digital tv broadcasts?
[1:20] <mchou> shirro: yup
[1:22] <mchou> shirro: networking leaves a bit to be desired too
[1:23] <Da|Mummy> i dont understand?
[1:24] <Da|Mummy> why would rpi not be as capable?
[1:24] <mchou> shirro: the funny thing is mythbackend runs great on the dockstar
[1:24] <mchou> Da|Mummy: both Roku and RPi are crippleware
[1:25] <Da|Mummy> only thing im looking for is something that can lpay 1080p from usb that supports ext filesystem
[1:25] <mchou> no HW mpeg2 decoding
[1:25] <Da|Mummy> meaning...?
[1:25] <mchou> basically if you have mpeg2 >=730p forget about it
[1:25] <mkopack> meaning forget playing MP2 files at 1080
[1:26] <mchou> umm, 720*
[1:26] <Da|Mummy> and x264 1080p?
[1:26] <mchou> x264 is fine
[1:26] <Da|Mummy> what else is there?
[1:26] <Da|Mummy> x264 is all thats out there right now
[1:26] <mchou> good luck browing web cideos :)
[1:26] <Da|Mummy> i dont stream
[1:27] <mchou> Da|Mummy: all of North America is mpeg2
[1:27] <Da|Mummy> ok, which show do you want?
[1:27] <mchou> lol
[1:27] <Da|Mummy> name me a show, ill show you x264
[1:27] <shirro> I guess it just means you have to wait a bit and download instead of getting stuff immediate, free and legal
[1:27] <lars_t_h> mchou, maybe, it is poosible to buy a codecs (which make use of the GPU), sometime in the future
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[1:28] <mchou> lars_t_h: stop dreaming
[1:28] <Da|Mummy> i wait 10min at most. yesterday, tv shows hit the web 5 hours before they aired on tv
[1:28] <mchou> lars_t_h: that going take negotiation
[1:29] <mchou> lars_t_h: don't you think roku would have negotiated something like that already if it were so easy?
[1:29] <lars_t_h> mchou, the Pi foundation had wrote they had choosen to license only 1 codec so it is not impossible
[1:29] <mkopack> well, poop??? I guess this USB wifi module I pulled out of a dead multifunction Inkjet doesn't work...
[1:29] <Da|Mummy> all i need is x264
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[1:29] <mkopack> was going to use it with the Rpi
[1:29] <lars_t_h> mchou, i know that is going to take a long time
[1:29] <mchou> lars_t_h: RPF also stated they'd ship by March
[1:29] <shirro> fluendo used to sell licenced codecs to individuals including mpeg2. it isn't like it hasn't been done.
[1:30] <mchou> lars_t_h: at this point RPF doesn't have much credibility
[1:30] <Da|Mummy> i already bought a wifi-n micro dongle, for $6 works quite nice on what i have right now
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[1:30] <lars_t_h> mchou, lawyers you know ...
[1:30] <lars_t_h> mchou, why?
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[1:30] <mchou> shirro: fluendo sells SW codecs, not HW
[1:30] <mkopack> mchou: I hate to say it, but I think you're right. if product doesn't ship this month, it's going to be really bad
[1:31] <Da|Mummy> why need codecs, x264 is plenty
[1:31] <mchou> Da|Mummy: it's all fine and good if x264 is the only media you'll watch
[1:31] <shirro> but it still means they cut a deal with the mpegla to sell to individuals. it has been suggested that wasn't possible with the GPU codecs
[1:31] <Da|Mummy> what else is there?
[1:31] <Da|Mummy> xvid is dead
[1:32] <mchou> shirro: that's not how codec licensing works
[1:32] <lars_t_h> mchou, 10000 Rpis was in production, more than 200000 wants one ..
[1:32] <mchou> lol
[1:32] <mchou> xvid is mpeg4
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[1:33] <mchou> lars_t_h: at this point I don't care if 1mil RPi goes into production....
[1:33] <shirro> mchou: if it was going to add $2 to the board cost, I would be happy to pay $5 to the RPF web store for an unlock file so my OpenMax IL can play mpeg2
[1:34] <mchou> without somebody championing mpeg licensing I don't see it happening
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[1:34] <mchou> shirro: I bet so would lots of people....
[1:34] <Da|Mummy> not i, said the duckling
[1:34] <mchou> shirro: so the question is why they haven't done so (call it rev C)
[1:34] <lars_t_h> mchou, ok - just renember things have a lead time
[1:35] <mchou> lars_t_h: apparently screw-ups have a lead time too
[1:35] <shirro> Da|Mummy: you can torrent your license file if you want it. those who want to pay will. piracy is not the enemy
[1:35] <mchou> lars_t_h: somebody forgot to check the BOM
[1:35] <Da|Mummy> i do pay
[1:36] <lars_t_h> mchou, yes they wrote that, so you are the lucky one to get one of the first 10000 ?
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[1:36] <mchou> lars_t_h: who wrote what?
[1:37] <shirro> I wonder if there is a cheap tuner box that transcodes to mp4 in hardware?
[1:37] <lars_t_h> crew-ups had a lead time too
[1:37] <mchou> shirro: there is, but it's not exactly cheap
[1:37] <shirro> In real time
[1:37] <lars_t_h> made me think you are in the queue for one the first 10000
[1:37] <mchou> lars_t_h: I don't recall RPi ever admitting that
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[1:38] <mchou> lars_t_h: if you could point me to a statement mad by RPF to that ffect I'd love to see it
[1:38] <mchou> effect*
[1:39] <mkopack> well, since I can't watch lecture, I guess I'll go run out to get some dinner. BBIAB??? AFK
[1:39] <mchou> lars_t_h: "We didn't check the BOM"
[1:39] <lars_t_h> mchou, they had wrote that in an blog post, the manufactorer of the Pi, used a wrong Ethernet connector w/o trafo
[1:39] <mchou> lars_t_h: that's bullcrap
[1:39] <mchou> lars_t_h: they blamed the manufacturer
[1:40] <shirro> My other ARM plaything is halfway across the pacific. Probably would be a good time to check what codecs are in the BSP
[1:40] <mchou> fact is the manufacturer had to get RPF to sign off on the BOM
[1:40] <mchou> lars_t_h: there are those of us who know how stuff gets done
[1:40] <lars_t_h> mchou, because the manufactorer are building it, not the Pi Foundation
[1:41] <mchou> lars_t_h: no, manufacturer has to get RPF to sign off on the BOM. which part of that don't you understand?
[1:41] <shirro> mchou: so do you think the delays and lack of statements are due to a lot of finger pointing and lawyering at the moment? Or do you think they are back on track?
[1:41] <lars_t_h> mchou, so you has a Beng in embedded systems like me, and know how electronics are produced?
[1:41] <mchou> shirro: I have no idea whether they are on track
[1:42] <shirro> Beng teaches you nothing about manufacturing
[1:42] <mchou> lars_t_h: let's just say I work with one of the largest chip manufacturers in the world
[1:42] <lars_t_h> shirro, but experience with manufactorers do
[1:43] <lars_t_h> mchou, ok
[1:43] <mchou> shirro: but they fact nobody can pin down a real date, or even give status on where the 10K currently are, is disturbing
[1:43] <Da|Mummy> no its not
[1:43] <Da|Mummy> its normal
[1:44] <shirro> the lack of news does help generate conspiracy theories. people naturally want to fill in gaps.
[1:44] <mchou> what conspiracy theories?
[1:44] <Da|Mummy> i heard that the company in china that produces the boards fell into a sinkhole
[1:44] <mchou> I'm saying RPF screwed up and they aren't admitting nothing
[1:45] <mchou> it ain't exactly rocket science
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[1:45] <lars_t_h> mchou, i disagree
[1:45] <Da|Mummy> they did say they warent taking any preorders
[1:45] <Da|Mummy> that was obviously false
[1:46] <shirro> mchou: if as you say RPF stuffed up signing off on the BOM then who paid for the rework of the boards?
[1:46] <lars_t_h> the Foundation had not taken preorders, maybe farnell or RS had, but they are not the foundation
[1:47] <Da|Mummy> rpf said they wont take any preorderes for rpi. preorders for rpi are in. rpf never sold, and never will sell rpis
[1:47] <mchou> shirro: I'd bet dollars to doughnuts RPF and Farnell split the difference in rework
[1:48] <mchou> assuming Farnell contracted out the work for RPF
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[1:49] <lars_t_h> Da|Mummy, you do of cource has doucmentation for that, link plz
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[1:51] <shirro> mchou: there is scope for finger pointing, buck passing and disputes over money that could account for the delays there. It could be wrong but it makes more sense than 10,000 sitting on a palette in the UK and nobody wanting to ship them
[1:51] <Da|Mummy> well, they used to have something in the FAQ saying "we will not take pre-orders, we are well funded" but now it just says where to "purchase it"
[1:51] <mchou> shirro: I didn't say the 10K a re sitting idle....
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[1:52] <mchou> shirro: I said nobody has publicly stated where the 10K are
[1:52] <des2> Would it be so hard for them to tell us where the 10,000 currently are, especially sinze Liz implied they would be shipping last week.
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[1:52] <acfrazier> I'm sick of it
[1:52] <acfrazier> if I get one in 10 years I'd be surprised.
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[1:53] <shirro> yes. I know but as des2 said Liz implied they would be shipping so a further delay does suggest things might be more complicated than we have been told
[1:54] <des2> Even "still in at factory waiting for replacement jacks" is better than the current mystery.
[1:55] <mchou> shirro: plus, I already suggested, given the long lead time, RPF can just cut their losses and ship the existing as Model A1
[1:55] <mchou> shirro: umm,A prime*
[1:55] <piofcube> There hasn't been any news of box-art has there?
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[1:55] <Da|Mummy> what exactly is the problem with the wrong ethernet connector they have?
[1:56] <mchou> shirro: for $25 you get a free usb interface
[1:56] <mchou> shirro: parts ship, get debugged, most people are happy
[1:56] <philh> Da|Mummy, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781
[1:56] <lars_t_h> RS writes "We are expecting to receive our first deliveries very shortly, so will be in touch soon with ordering instructions " on http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[1:57] <Da|Mummy> philh, laymans terms....
[1:57] <lars_t_h> ^ must be the first 5000
[1:57] <mchou> shirro: while production goes forward in parallel with model B
[1:57] <shirro> mchou: and RS or El14 can sell ethernet socket upgrade kits :-)
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[1:57] <mchou> shirro: exactly
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[1:58] <mchou> shirro: or people can source ithe jacks locally
[1:58] <shirro> I would be totally willing to solder sucker that thing off.
[1:58] <philh> Da|Mummy, that would require me to understand it well enough myself, basically they used cheapo ones without additional safety features, something like that
[1:58] <mchou> shirro: "oh look, I have a broken switch..."
[1:58] <mchou> "that has the right jack"
[1:59] <mchou> philh: it has nothing to do with safety
[1:59] <Da|Mummy> than what?
[2:00] <philh> mchou, signal integrity?
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[2:00] <mchou> philh: it's has to do with inductance and transformer
[2:00] <Da|Mummy> laymans
[2:00] <philh> Da|Mummy, this is why i can't explain it in layman's terms
[2:00] <philh> because i haven't actually got a clue myself
[2:01] <philh> but i do know that it's nothing to do with holding the ethernet cables in place
[2:01] <shirro> I like to hang cutlery on the macbook screen to amaze the 4yo. Not so keen when he does it
[2:02] <philh> mchou, we're waiting on this explanation in layman's terms
[2:02] <mchou> what are you doing hacking RPi if you can't understance inductance?
[2:02] <mchou> understand*
[2:03] <philh> who's hacking rpi?
[2:03] <mchou> go look it up on wikipedia if you have to
[2:03] <shirro> Richard will explain the magnets for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM
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[2:05] <philh> so, mchou, it has nothing to do with either electrical safety or signal integrity, just to check?
[2:06] <Da|Mummy> 2min in, i wonna punch that guy in the face :|
[2:06] <mchou> philh: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=magnetic_modular_jacks&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction
[2:08] <mchou> philh: Read "Features & benefits"
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[2:09] <philh> so signal integrity and electrical safety, then?
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[2:09] <SpeedEvil> It probably won't actually work with the wrong one - at all.
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> - which would be OK for me
[2:09] <mchou> philh: wh do you keep on twisting the words?
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> I don't imagine using the ethernet
[2:09] <mchou> why*
[2:09] <philh> mchou, not twisting anything, go ahead and say no to my question
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[2:10] <philh> or yes, even
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[2:10] <shirro> It is the wrong part. The connections are wrong. the right part includes components that would otherwise have to be on the board elsewhere.
[2:10] <philh> shirro, that helps
[2:10] <mchou> philh: signal integrity, DC isolation, and prevents the PHY from being blown
[2:11] <philh> mchou, those sound like the things that i mentioned
[2:11] <mchou> philh: no, the terms on that pace have much more specific meaning than your "safety"
[2:11] <mchou> page*
[2:13] <philh> oh well, i'll just pretend to my silly little self that "safety" encompasses those more specific terms
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[2:14] <philh> it'll be obvious to everyone here that i'm not fit to "hack" on a RPi that i have yet to order and the vast majority have yet to receive, but i can live with that
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[2:15] <philh> time to wallow in my ineptitude and cry myself to sleep, gn all
[2:15] <shirro> philh: you are just working at a different level of abstraction. People who tag power cords worry about safety. Engineers have to be a little more precise.
[2:16] <philh> shirro, they have to be more precise, they don't have to be dicks
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[2:16] <mkopack> Engineers can't afford NOT to be anal retentive dicks. They can lose their license if they design something that fails
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[2:17] <mkopack> Not to mention get sued??? If your RPi bursts into flames and burns your house down because the engineer F'ed up and didn't spec the right part causing it to fail???. You're going to go after them (or your insurance company will)
[2:17] <philh> when asked to explain something in layman's terms, take a break from being a dick and just explain, stop shooting down everything that isn't technically precise enough, expand on it and explain the errors
[2:17] <shirro> philh: your taking that message away but that doesn't mean it is the right one. Try asking a lawyer mate for quick and easy legal advice in laymans terms
[2:18] <mkopack> well, there is that??? Welcome to the Linux user space??? If you don't instantly read the explainers mind, you get treated like shit (all too often)
[2:19] <shirro> mkopack: I really don't think so. Sometimes. But people often lack patience. They want quick answers. It can be very hard to explain complex things.
[2:20] <philh> shirro, if the lawyer's got a decent understanding of the subject at hand i would expect them to be able to explain it well enough, even if the explanation isn't exhaustive
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Not all places have engineers as a licenced proefssion.
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: It's not in the UK, for example.
[2:21] <mkopack> depends on the type of engineer too
[2:21] <shirro> philh: more likely they will say nothing unless you have a business relationship so they are covered by insurance
[2:23] <mchou> I bet when RPF plugged in ethernet they shorted their USB devices
[2:23] <mchou> definitely not a good thing
[2:23] <shirro> Person stumbles into cockpit. Well pilots are just fancy taxi drivers aren't they. How hard can it be. Why can't you explain how to fly an Airbus. You must hate me. Stop being evasive.
[2:24] <philh> shirro, we were talking about differences between two ethernet jacks, something very specific and straightforward, i think you're getting a bit lost
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[2:26] <philh> Hey pilot, so, does the flightstick have a direct mechanical connection to the control surfaces? pilot: no, you're completely wrong, but i can't tell you how it works
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[2:27] <mchou> philh: yeah, it's called fly by wire
[2:28] <philh> mchou, ?
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[2:28] <mchou> there is a computer in the middle that translates the pilot's actions on the stick into manuevers familiar to him
[2:28] <mkopack> oh, you can ask the pilot that??? enjoy the body cavity search by Homeland Security !
[2:28] <philh> mkopack, heh
[2:28] <mchou> philh: and a pliot is not likely to understand how that computer works
[2:28] <philh> mchou, you're quite simply painful to interact with
[2:29] <mchou> philh: no, you keeping bring up examples that keep shooting yourself in the foot
[2:29] <mchou> philh: before you ask, no, you can't be my wingman :)
[2:30] <philh> ah well, i was going to sleep
[2:31] <techman2> people are starting to get a bit pissy that things have gone quiet
[2:31] <philh> enough of this deliberate obtuseness and pedantry
[2:31] <des2> The lick of PIs is causing the channel to descend into chaos.
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[2:32] <shirro> des2: riots in the streets.
[2:32] <des2> People are grabbing pitchforks and torches and heading to broadcom....
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[2:33] <shirro> des2: ask them for an open source driver for my router while you are pitchforking them
[2:33] <Da|Mummy> i dont think pitchforks well over email, and lets face it, nobody here will get off their behinds
[2:33] <Da|Mummy> work well*
[2:33] <mchou> shirro: openwrt
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[2:33] <des2> Perhaps someone will call RS or Farnell and ask for an update from a human.
[2:33] <shirro> mchou: I wish. Stuck with tomato
[2:33] <des2> People are throwing rotten tomatoes.
[2:34] <mchou> shirro: haha, serves you right for not checking first
[2:34] <mchou> shirro: tplink is not too shabby!
[2:35] <shirro> yeah. got a tplink router one for my mother in law.
[2:35] <mchou> shirro: hmm??
[2:35] <mchou> shirro: you didn't doe some horsetrading?
[2:36] <mchou> do*
[2:36] <shirro> I should have. TPlink are one of those cheap brands you keep buying and suddenly everyone will be buying them.
[2:37] <mchou> what suddenly? everybody is already buying tplink
[2:37] <shirro> It probably still has a closed broadcom chipset. They make good stuff unfortunately.
[2:38] <mchou> tplink is aetheros
[2:38] <mchou> ar9132
[2:39] <lars_t_h> des2, "Perhaps someone will call RS or Farnell and ask for an update from a human." I would like a better respone too, fx give a queue number and say when i can can buy my Pi
[2:39] <mchou> well, at least the one I'm talking about
[2:39] <lars_t_h> *response
[2:39] <mkopack> YOu know, if these reports are correct, and it's not just a case of the Farnell support people being screwed up about the dates, then these :"I had a March 12 date and when I called I was told June/July" could only mean (IMO) that there's some other major design flaw in the board that they're having to rework...
[2:40] <nrdb> I would like the Ppi foundation to list somewhere the total number sold of each version.
[2:40] <mchou> mkopack: more likely the fatory has moved on....
[2:40] <mkopack> each version? A vs B ?
[2:40] <mchou> factory*
[2:40] <nrdb> mkopack, yes
[2:40] <mkopack> mchou: as in they're busy building something else? yeah probably also possible
[2:40] <lars_t_h> nrdb, some stats wold be nice
[2:40] <mkopack> nrdb: there's ONLY been B's produced so far..
[2:41] <mchou> mkopack: the factory is not going to abandon their commitments to other customers because RPF screwed up
[2:41] <nrdb> mkopack, I know, but that condition wont stand for long.
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[2:42] <mkopack> mchou: depends on who made the screw up??? my understanding was that the factory used the wrong part AFTER they sent the test boards out??? not that the RPF messed up
[2:43] <mchou> mkopack: I doubt it
[2:43] <nrdb> I would also like to see a version with all the connectors all along one side, to make putting it in boxes of various sizes easy.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> I want kits of the semiconductors.
[2:43] <Flea86> nrdb: That would probably necessitate a larger PCB..
[2:43] <shirro> mchou: no this was definately broadcom. just checked. they usually do good dsl and wifi in my experience.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Well - the CPU and RAM
[2:44] <mchou> nrdb: at this point I'd just be statisfied with holes drilled in to pcb for standoffs
[2:44] <nrdb> Flea86, yes, so what, it would be still be very small.
[2:45] <mkopack> nrdb: cost.
[2:45] <Flea86> ^
[2:45] <shirro> I can't wait for reports of DIYers who drilled holes in the corners to mount them and want to know why they don't work anymore.
[2:45] <mkopack> They were hell bent on making that price, and that meant they had to use parts that might not have been the prettiest, put thing in non-optimal placement locations in order to get the PCB small and save money
[2:45] <mkopack> shirro: LOL, yeah, me too
[2:46] <Flea86> shirro: lol
[2:46] <mkopack> Id o'nt get why people get so bent out of shape about the lack of holes. Just compression fit it between the top and bottom case halfs
[2:46] <mchou> "oh, you mean it was a multi-layer board??"
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[2:47] <nrdb> mkopack, I would be willing to pay a few extra buck for it.
[2:48] <mkopack> nrdb: YOU would, but you're not the original intended audience. This thing was designed to be as cheap as possible but still functional in order to get it into as many kids hands as possible
[2:48] <nrdb> mkopack, Rpi in all sorts of thing would be interesting. like what is done by the mini-itx.
[2:48] <mchou> mkopack: standoffs mean you have flexibility to use virtually any case
[2:48] <mkopack> Schools are EXCEEDINGLY cost conscious. $2 extra per unit adds up fast when you're buying thousands of them for a school district
[2:48] <mchou> mkopack: I don't want to go looking for custome cases/3D printers
[2:48] <nrdb> mkopack, the more sold he merrier.
[2:49] <mkopack> yes, but again, if taken in the scope of their intended target market, it made sense
[2:49] <mkopack> Some of those cases can be injection molded for < $1
[2:49] <mchou> mkopack: in fact with standoffs no case is workable
[2:49] <shirro> standoffs would have been much better for sliding boards around on school lab benches and having Pi races
[2:50] <nrdb> mkopack, I am know why they did it, I would just prefer a layout with all the connectors on one side.
[2:51] <mkopack> sure,but it is what it is...
[2:51] <Flea86> I'm sure someone will come up with an equally-cheap (but suitable) injection-moulded case for raspi? or do these already exist?
[2:51] <mkopack> Flea: that italian guy that does the amazing renders - his is designed to be injection molded
[2:51] <shirro> If you get a case where will you put your gertboard or pi plates or whatever?
[2:51] <nrdb> Flea86, saw a youtube video of one that had been 3D printed.
[2:52] <mkopack> most are being 3D printed because people have access to those
[2:52] <mkopack> shirro: That's why I'm not going to bother with a case for a while
[2:52] <mkopack> or I'm going to do a custom case
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[2:52] <Flea86> shirro: good point! via ribbon cable breakout perhaps? ;-)
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[2:53] <Flea86> shirro: I'm actually facing a very similar problem with my own project
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[3:04] <mkopack> wow, now I know how a professor feels???
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[3:05] <mkopack> a former co-worker who is now retired has a son about my age going to one of the local community colleges taking a Java programming class and he's having a hard time with it.
[3:05] <mkopack> So she asked if I would be willing to help him out when he's stuck on stuff. I said sure
[3:05] <mkopack> He's been hitting me non-stop with questions today and they're REALLY REALLY beginner things that he should know by now after being in his second semester of this stuff
[3:06] <mkopack> I keep trying to explain to him "You should do it this way" and he just doesn't want to listen....
[3:08] <nrdb> I bet he doesn't understand even more basic stuff, he just thinks he does.
[3:10] <mkopack> yeah???
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[3:13] <techman2> sounds typical.
[3:13] <techman2> youngsters these days.
[3:15] <mkopack> he's like 37!
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[3:16] <techman2> oh
[3:16] <techman2> so he's just an idiot?
[3:16] <Flea86> mkopack: Perhaps he's still trying to get his head around OO concepts..
[3:17] <techman2> it's really annoying when you try to explain things to people who dont actually listen to what you are saying
[3:17] <techman2> I get it all the time with customers.
[3:21] <mkopack> Well, I just sent him some code from an assignment I had last week for one of my classes that was somewhat similar to what he's doing so hopefully he'll be able to get something out of that
[3:22] <techman2> yeah
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[3:23] <mkopack> I don't mind helping him, but damn ,at this point, between all the email traffic with him, I've basically written the program for him and he doesn't realize it
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[3:35] <Burninate_> Will Rpi have the horsepower to play bog-standard SD DVDs?
[3:35] <mkopack> DVD is MPEG-2???
[3:35] <mkopack> No MPEG-2 codec
[3:35] <Burninate_> no hardware-accelerated MPEG-2 codec available
[3:35] <Burninate_> I'm asking about software, then
[3:35] <mkopack> If it's in some other format,then possible, but it would be strictly CPU based
[3:36] <mkopack> so possibly, but probably right at the limits of the CPU
[3:36] * Burninate_ ponders when CPUs got MPEG2-acceleration and what the apples to apples specs look like from the model just before then
[3:38] <mkopack> Def 1990's timeframe.. which would put it about the right speed???
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[3:40] * Burninate_ is still not certain that typical CPUs *have* MPEG2-acceleration, and thinks it may be strictly a GPU function
[3:41] <Flea86> Burninate: I thought that was mostly a GPU function too?
[3:42] <mkopack> Nah, that's what MMX instructions were for
[3:42] <mkopack> to speed up the math used in things like graphics, and media playing/encoding, etc.
[3:42] <mkopack> GPUs do it a LOT faster, mostly because they have a ton of cores and are VEYR highly optimized for doing that sort of math
[3:43] <Flea86> mkopack: Well that's true as well, but I was thinking more along the lines of hardware-level mpeg support
[3:43] <techman2> man I remember how much cooler you were if you had a Pentium MMX over a standard Pentuim.
[3:43] <mkopack> what do you consider "hardware level" MPEG support?
[3:43] <techman2> Pentium even
[3:43] <mkopack> lol
[3:43] <mkopack> yeah
[3:43] <mkopack> or a 486 DX instead of an SX
[3:44] <techman2> I remember when distributed.net added MMX instruction support to their clients
[3:44] <Flea86> mkopack: by 'hardware' I mean a hard-wired mpeg decoder function built-in to many modern GPUs..
[3:44] <techman2> my RC5 crunching performance doubled
[3:45] <mkopack> flea: yeah, but isn't that just special instructions in a portion of the GPU that is optimized for the math used in MPEG?
[3:45] <mkopack> so that it can do it in realtime
[3:45] <Flea86> mkopack: heh, yeah pretty much.. the gpu equivalent of mmx :P
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[3:46] <mkopack> exactly
[3:47] <mkopack> Man, this final exam is going to be BRUTAL
[3:47] <mkopack> good thing I only need like a 50 on it to get an A+ :)
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[3:49] <techman2> I should get back to my C book I think
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[3:53] <Burninate_> so how is one likely to go about coding a decoder?
[3:53] <Burninate_> using the native GPU instructions?
[3:54] <slaeshjag> well, for the R-pi, you aren't going to
[3:54] <slaeshjag> The GPU is locked down, you can't run your own code on it
[3:55] <Burninate_> ahhh, I see
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[3:58] <Syliss> oioi
[3:59] <Burninate_> (21:53:19) (+slaeshjag) The GPU is locked down, you can't run your own code on it
[3:59] <Burninate_> Is this as strongly limiting as I think?
[4:00] <Burninate_> I was told almost all of the silicon in the broadcom chip was GPU-oriented
[4:00] <slaeshjag> Burninate_: I think you can run GLES 2 shaders, but that's about it
[4:00] <Burninate_> if you don't have access to those instructions except through rendering shaders...
[4:01] <slaeshjag> I know, I find it annoying too that the R-pi has such a powerhouse, but we aren't allowed to use it
[4:01] <Burninate_> I've seen some powerful GPGPU done through GLSL shaders
[4:01] <Burninate_> for scientific work
[4:02] <hotwings> Burninate_ - the pi may have enough horseys to decode mpeg2 sd..
[4:02] <hotwings> its severely limited in ram though too
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[4:02] <Burninate_> a DVD decoder is priority... if not 1, then top 10
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> PII/300 could easily do xvid
[4:03] <Burninate_> for the XBMC project
[4:03] <Burninate_> right?
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> with about 50% of CPU
[4:03] <Burninate_> People were buying dedicated MPEG-2 decoders to go with their DVDROMs when the PII/300 was out
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[4:06] <mkopack> hot: Well, that's relative??? think about the systems we had back in the mid/late 90's when we were playing MPeg videos??? I think my Athlon 400 only had like 256MB ram at the time...
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[4:07] <mkopack> I didn't go to 512MB until I got my Athlon 1.2Ghz
[4:07] <techman2> I had an Athlon 1.2GHz also
[4:07] <techman2> man it was a rocketship
[4:07] <Da|Mummy> well quit using xvid. x264 is higher quality, lower bitrate, and is the standard now
[4:07] <hotwings> i had a 1.4ghz thuderbird
[4:07] <techman2> I upgraded later to an XP 1800+
[4:08] <mkopack> I have a dent in my front door from when the UPS guy decided to toss the package containing my solid copper HSF for that A1.2Ghz rather than walking up the 5 steps to the front door
[4:08] <mkopack> lucy fat F
[4:08] <mkopack> lazy fat F'er
[4:08] <hotwings> there are cases where xvid performs better but generally speaking ill take everything in x264, in an mkv container any day
[4:08] <Burninate_> Da|Mummy: Re-encoding a very large library of media is not a lossless or an easy endeavor
[4:08] <hotwings> mkopack - take pic -> get paid from UPS :)
[4:09] <techman2> heh
[4:09] <mkopack> eh, I was more interested in getting the damn HSF! That thing was a TANK
[4:09] <techman2> did you guys see that recent video of the fedex guy delivering a monitor?
[4:09] <Burninate_> Will Rpi do *MP3* in CPU without shaders?
[4:09] <mkopack> (although compared to some of the modern Intel HSF's its nothing )
[4:09] <hotwings> yeah techman2.. crazy !
[4:09] <mkopack> ?
[4:09] <mkopack> Burn: should be able to ??? audio is WAY less demanding than video
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[4:10] <techman2> yeah I wouldn't think mp3 would be a problem
[4:10] <hotwings> as far as im concerned rpi has to prove itself with all media except x264 progressive video
[4:10] <mkopack> got a link to the vide?
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[4:10] <techman2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUDTPbDhnA
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[4:11] <mkopack> Oh god, that'd be grounds for an ASS whipping if it was my Monitor!
[4:11] <hotwings> preach on brother mkopack
[4:12] <techman2> yep
[4:12] <hotwings> i would be pissed no question
[4:12] <techman2> there's lots more vids like it on youtube
[4:12] <mkopack> And besides, I got the UPS guy back when I ordered my Bowflex??? came in 4 HUGE 80 lb packages??? I just stood there and smiled and didn't help at all while he tried to lug those off the truck and into my garage :)
[4:12] <hotwings> he gets paid to take them off the truck, not you :D
[4:13] <mkopack> Same with my Dell multifunction laser printer. Says right on the side of the box - 2 person lift??? "Have fun fat ass!"
[4:13] <mkopack> AND the replacement when lightning killed the first one.
[4:13] <mkopack> 80 lb F'er
[4:13] <techman2> I had fun installing a 2000VA rack mount UPS recently
[4:13] <techman2> weighed 55kg
[4:13] <hotwings> im usually working from my home office whenever i have deliveries coming
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[4:13] <mkopack> yeah, same here Hot, if it's something expensive, I want to be there when it arrives so it doesn't get "misplaced"
[4:14] <mkopack> My damn Ups guy loves to mark packages as "delivered" while on his lunch break, even though they won't get delivered until much later int he afternoon.
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[4:14] <hotwings> my two big things are 1) i dont trust people or deliveries just sitting there, and 2) im too impatient to wait until i get home
[4:15] <mkopack> There's been times where I've checked the status at 1pm, saw "Delivered". gotten home at 6pm, and no sign of it, and then 15 minutes later he shows up and hands it to me.
[4:15] <mkopack> WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH TRACKING NUMBERS?!?!?
[4:15] <techman2> yeah, they're not very helpful a lot of the time
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[4:15] <hotwings> never had that problem here. fedex is good, almost always here before 11am.. ups anywhere between noon and 7pm :\
[4:15] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Make a point of complaining through the official complaints process - every time.
[4:15] <mkopack> Ever since they unionized, UPS service has gone downhill
[4:15] <techman2> do they mark stuff as delivered early to get bonuses or something?
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[4:16] <mkopack> yeah, whenever I can, I do FedEx, as long as it's not insanely more expensive
[4:16] <mkopack> techman: yeah, they make their delivery on time quota numbers
[4:16] <techman2> thought so
[4:17] <hotwings> i worked for ups in a main hub a long time ago. physically felt like i got my ass kicked by the end of my shift each day
[4:17] <mkopack> the fedex guy, I love. Always shows up at around 10am, always VERY pleasant. Calls me by name, smiles, HANDS me the package. etc.
[4:17] <mkopack> hoitL Yeah, that's a back breaking job
[4:17] <hotwings> seen weird stuff too.. package the size of a shoebox that i couldnt even lift by myself. that was pretty damn strange
[4:17] <techman2> hotwings: lead?
[4:17] <Burninate_> or bullion
[4:17] <hotwings> thing weights like 300lbs, no joke
[4:18] <mkopack> How do you think the terrorists get the plutonium into the country? Duh? :)
[4:18] <Burninate_> wow
[4:18] <hotwings> i dunno what was inside. i wish
[4:18] <Burninate_> seriously
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[4:19] <hotwings> i worked for an air freight company once as well. about the coolest thing we ever unloaded (that im aware of) was a prototype flying car from japan, going to boeing
[4:19] <Burninate_> If it was literally 300lbs, lead-tin solder would be my best guess
[4:19] <mkopack> love to know when the hell Eben and Liz are returning from their vacation??? This blackout is NOT good
[4:20] <techman2> yeah I know
[4:20] <techman2> I'm sure they deserve a holiday but it's getting people upset.
[4:20] <mkopack> yeah. very much so
[4:20] <PReDiToR> This is a joke: I bet they are enjoying the pre-order money from RS and Farnell in Rio. What vacation?
[4:20] <hotwings> yeah, literally Burninate_. there was a weight warning on the package and a couple other warning stickers as well but i cant remember what for anymore
[4:20] <shirro> Wondering where I can get a big lump of Tungsten to ship to parliament house?
[4:21] <mkopack> Even just a short "They're in customs and should go to RS/Farnell on Friday" would be enough to tied people over
[4:21] <Burninate_> Tungsten is expensive
[4:21] <techman2> yeah
[4:21] <Burninate_> and very hard to machine
[4:21] <hotwings> its pretty poor timing for a vacation, when your business cant sustain itself yet
[4:21] <hotwings> tungsten carbide is awesome
[4:22] <techman2> it might be part of a work trip for Eben?
[4:22] <PReDiToR> Better to holiday than to burn out. Can you imagine all those stroppy emails and twats?
[4:22] <Burninate_> "We are overbooked by 5000%, let's go to Tahiti!"
[4:22] <mkopack> yeah, but in all fairness - this was originally planned for the 2 weeks before xmas, (as in they planned it back last JUNE for Xmas time) and it got bumped because of the beta issues, and they were going skiing, so they had to take it about now or the season would be over soon
[4:22] * hotwings wipes the one single tear away
[4:22] <hotwings> lol
[4:23] <techman2> well the only money they have at the moment is from the beta auctions
[4:23] <mkopack> I don't blame them for taking the vaca, nor for the timing??? but they COULD have tapped somebody else on the RPF to fill in on giving status info in the mean time
[4:23] <Burninate_> Actually...
[4:23] <Burninate_> If they knew that there was a possibility they would be overbooked
[4:23] <Burninate_> why not put 8,000 in RS/Farnell's bin and auction off 2000?
[4:24] <mkopack> because people would howl holy hell if they did?
[4:24] <PReDiToR> I don't know where I heard it, nor if it's official numbers, but I thought that they were getting 4k each?
[4:24] <techman2> at least they spent some on a server upgrade
[4:25] <techman2> weren't a few hundred reserved for nokia or something?
[4:25] <mkopack> well, IIRC some units (not sure if it's from this initial 10,000) are supposed to go to Nokia for Qt develop[ment
[4:25] <techman2> something relating to Qt
[4:25] <mkopack> yeah
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[4:25] <PReDiToR> how many are Gnome getting to help with GTK?
[4:26] <techman2> it seems as though the distributors are both going to be using the same factory that the RPF used for the first 10k
[4:26] <techman2> shouldn't they be trying to bring another one online?
[4:26] <PReDiToR> Oh that makes sense. How cool. The guys that tried and failed at skimmping on materials get to have another go? What next, half measures of solder?
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[4:27] <Burninate_> I assume it's not literally a factory that is churning out 10k units full-time, it's just a production run
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[4:27] <mkopack> Burin: correct
[4:27] <Burninate_> with Chinese manufactury, a lot of beta units seems to be the rule
[4:27] <mkopack> and constant random full up unit tests
[4:28] <mkopack> Little F'ers will do anything they can to slide one past you and use cheaper parts to make greater profit
[4:28] <techman2> from what liz was saying the factory is not a real big operation
[4:28] <mkopack> No, but RPF wasn't even close to using it's full capacity
[4:29] <mkopack> God, I'm SO sick of seeing everyone post the SAME damn email from Farnell
[4:29] <Burninate_> would we assume a factory favored by Broadcom, considering the connections?
[4:29] <mkopack> who knows??? maybe?
[4:30] <techman2> I hope they give some info about them, videos perhaps
[4:30] <mkopack> they did mention that there was a Broadcom rep in the area that they could ask to stop by the factory to check in on things for them if needed
[4:30] <techman2> I have had no e-mails from Element 14.
[4:30] <mkopack> check your spam folder
[4:30] <techman2> I have
[4:30] <mkopack> seems like a ton went out today
[4:31] <techman2> the .au arm seems to be left in the dark
[4:32] <mkopack> I can't decide which is worse? Farnell for giving us pie in the sky estimates that don't seem to be based on anything, but allowing us to pre-order, or RS who hasn't said BOO since release day other than "We received your interest registration and will get back to you in the order in which they were received. Hold tight"/
[4:32] * techman2 checks e-mail again
[4:33] <techman2> nothing.
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> 10K is quite a small order for broadcom
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> It's unlikely they would be involved directly
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> At least at the production level
[4:33] <smw> mkopack, do you have a better answer on what they should do?
[4:33] <mkopack> Well, other than actually put some sort of STATUS info out.. no.
[4:34] <techman2> Eben is going to be doing a webinar in April apparently
[4:34] <techman2> with Farnell
[4:34] <mkopack> neither company has probably ever dealt with a product like this before with this much interest and demand at release..
[4:34] <PReDiToR> RS did send mroe than that to successful first batchers
[4:34] <Burninate_> SpeedEvil: One of the team members is with Broadcom, and the SOIC is a specially priced unit, which is the only reason I bring it up
[4:34] <smw> mkopack, I have just been sitting back and laughing at the disaster the "release" was
[4:34] <techman2> Burninate_: specially priced? how so?
[4:34] <mkopack> yeah something on how to set up and use your RPi??? Question is, will any of us actually HAVE an RPi by then???
[4:35] <des2> no webinars, no press conferences, no TV appearances until the first 10,000 are delivered...
[4:35] <Burninate_> they remarked that it was only because of this team member's connections that the low price of Rpi was possible
[4:35] <Burninate_> I kind of put it down to Broadcom wanting to own the next Arduino-like scene
[4:35] <mkopack> Yeah, Eben works for Broadcom. For the group that designs and builds the SoC.
[4:36] <techman2> Burninate_: the only thing I have heard them say is that they did not get any special pricing on the SOC, the only conecession that was made was they were able to order in smaller batches than Broadcom would normally accept.
[4:36] <mkopack> He basically went to his bosses and said what he was trying to do and asked if they could get volume discount pricing since they're a Charity and they said ok.
[4:36] <Burninate_> ahh, okay
[4:36] <des2> Yeah Broadcom isn't losing money on the chips
[4:36] <techman2> *concession
[4:37] <mkopack> let's hope that all didn't get blown to hell when they went to RS+Farnell to distribute for them
[4:37] <Burninate_> No fab would *lose* money, an aggressive play is just reducing profit margin significantly
[4:37] <techman2> the SOC was initially designed as a GPU only and then they decided to tack on an ARM core to make it an SOC
[4:37] <mkopack> ie: Broadcom say "why the hell are we giving them these now at these low prices??? "
[4:38] <smw> mkopack, I would assume they checked with broadcom before doing this...
[4:38] <techman2> yeah I would say so
[4:38] <mkopack> I would HOPE they did!
[4:39] <smw> mkopack, you are speculating on something you have no knowledge of ;-)
[4:39] <mkopack> true, I don't. but again, we're left in the dark with no information, so all we can do is speculate
[4:39] <techman2> speculation is fun :)
[4:39] <techman2> playing with pi would be more fun though.
[4:40] <smw> mkopack, such information would never be given out anyways
[4:40] <mkopack> true.
[4:40] <smw> as for the information on when people will actually see this vaporware...
[4:40] <smw> :-)
[4:41] * acfrazier doesn't believe it's real until it's in his hand
[4:41] <techman2> I don't consider it vaporware
[4:41] <techman2> RS/Farnell wouldn't be involved if it was.
[4:42] <techman2> it's just having a very rough gestation.
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[4:42] <smw> techman2, no, it is not really vaporware
[4:43] <des2> Well there are bout 20 beta boards loose...
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[4:43] <mkopack> 20 beta, probably 100 production test boards...
[4:43] <mkopack> and the alphas
[4:44] <techman2> I just want to know where the first 10k are
[4:44] <techman2> I am glad they ended up with the design they did rather than the initial prototype
[4:44] <techman2> which was like a cotton candy
[4:46] <mkopack> advnatages and disadvantages to each....
[4:46] <techman2> yeah
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[4:47] <techman2> no ethernet would have sucked
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[4:48] <techman2> if things fall through with the pi I'll be getting an Efika MX.
[4:50] <SpeedEvil> If things fall through with the Pi, I'm getting my own Death Star.
[4:50] <SpeedEvil> I shall paint it pink.
[4:50] <mkopack> well, once I see what my final out of pocket is tomorrow for my tag tax, I'm probably going to order a Pandaboard ES
[4:51] <mkopack> The deathSTAR!
[4:51] <mkopack> SUPER deathSTAR!
[4:51] <SpeedEvil> I found an aftermarket baffled exhaust.
[4:52] <mkopack> does it put a cover on the exhaust port so rebel fighters can't shoot proton torpedoes down into it?
[4:52] <mkopack> I love the way they make fun of that in the Family Guy SW movie
[4:52] <mkopack> "Eh.. better get estimates"
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[4:53] <DataSpree> what's new?
[4:53] <mkopack> Stil Pi-less
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[4:53] <DataSpree> same here :(
[4:54] <techman2> nobody has pi
[4:55] <PReDiToR> Oh come on, that exhaust port is only 2 metres, no way you could get a direct hit with a photon torpedo
[4:55] <techman2> everybody is harping on about the pirate bays comments also
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[4:57] <mkopack> I used to bullseye Wamp Rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2 meters
[4:57] <mkopack> 2 meters is wider than the main fuselage on an X-wing!
[4:57] <PReDiToR> Well yeah, but the way I heard it those T-16s had the full weapons package from stock, these figging A and X wings are junk left over from teh clone wars.
[4:58] <mkopack> hehe, actually, the X-wing was a totally new design that the Rebellion got their hands on right before A NEw Hope.
[4:58] <mkopack> What you saw in the movie was like their entire fleet in existence of them
[4:59] <mkopack> The Y-wing was way more common in the Alliance at that point??? GD flying dumptruck
[4:59] <PReDiToR> And that Skywalker kid just borrows one like it's his mom's Iroc?
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[4:59] <techman2> I take it you guys are into star wars? ;)
[4:59] <mkopack> yeah, no academy training, nothing??? Helps when you're the princess's twin bro??? Nepetism and all that
[5:00] <PReDiToR> techman2 - I consider myself a geek.
[5:00] <PReDiToR> Not a SW geek, but I think being a fan of SciFi is common in geeks and nerds.
[5:01] <mkopack> 2 biggest SF franchises of our generation...
[5:01] <mkopack> kinda hard not to be into them
[5:01] <mkopack> SW + ST
[5:01] <techman2> my sci fi intake is pretty limited
[5:02] <mkopack> girlfriend/wife hates it huh?
[5:02] <techman2> no
[5:02] <techman2> I'm just not into a lot of it
[5:02] <techman2> hmm
[5:02] <techman2> coffee time
[5:03] <mkopack> bed time for me
[5:03] <mkopack> Later guys,??? he's to hoping tomorrow brings SOME sort of news
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[5:06] <techman2> wonder when they will be back from holidays?
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[5:21] <shirro> Scariest impact of Raspberry Pi so far: Wife asked me how hard it would be to learn Python.
[5:22] <techman2> wow cool
[5:22] <techman2> I taught my wife how to count in binary a while ago.
[5:24] <des2> Wives progamming?! Next thing they'll be driving...
[5:24] <techman2> yes, there could be a revolt
[5:25] <shirro> She isn't the maths/science/computer type (plenty of women are). She likes games, iphones, scifi but not hard stuff. She is an art teacher.
[5:26] <shirro> Can you imagine your old school art teacher learning to program?
[5:26] <techman2> it's good to see she is interested though
[5:26] <techman2> you going to teach her?
[5:27] <shirro> I think she will be too busy unfortunately. There is something very right about this project in the way it grabs people.
[5:28] <techman2> yes
[5:28] <shirro> I would teach her Lua or Javascript or C or Go or something. My Python is weak.
[5:28] <techman2> I'm really liking learning C
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[5:29] <shirro> C isn't very expressive but it has a certain sparse beauty.
[5:30] <techman2> yes
[5:30] <nplus> C definitely has a higher learning curve with regards to memory allocation and strings
[5:30] <nplus> and pointers
[5:30] <techman2> I always loved reading kernel code. I had no idea what it was doing but I enjoyed reading it.
[5:30] <shirro> null terminated strings are so brain dead.
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[5:31] <DataSpree> null terminated strings are very memory efficient IMO.
[5:31] <des2> I love C but it's not a beginner's language.
[5:32] <techman2> des2: I have read so many "what is the best language to learn first" posts
[5:32] <nplus> des2: it was my first language at university, i turned out ok :)
[5:32] <techman2> and everyone's answer is different
[5:32] <shirro> DataSpree: I will remember that if I ever go back in time to 1970
[5:37] <PReDiToR> I did a course on C years and years ago. They gave us COBOL to learn first, then they pointed out that if you don't like C just look how bad it could have been.
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[6:53] <GabrialDestruir> I just realized the Minecraft base I've bene busy building is more suited to a server than one player.... lol
[6:54] <des2> Stop playing with yourself...
[6:55] <GabrialDestruir> ha ha ha
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[8:53] <huene> !w
[8:53] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[8:55] <weuxel> !w
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[8:55] <weuxel> !w Frankfurt
[8:55] <PiBot> weuxel: in Frankfurt, Hesse. Temp 3??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 79%, Later 15??C - 3??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[8:56] <piofcube> Anyone know of any good revision control systems for text-based non-code content?
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[8:58] <piofcube> I was thinking along the lines of bazaar or subversion but not for code
[9:00] <huene> well. what difference will it make for the control system if its code or regular text?
[9:01] <piofcube> most of them put lines numbers and other stuff which will just confuse users
[9:02] <huene> the line numbers aren't put in the actual files, they may only be shown, when you run some kind of "diff" or so
[9:03] <huene> so it's more the configuration or the client, not the actual system behind, you must choose depending on the users
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[9:05] <jzu> huene: exactly
[9:05] <jzu> the real question is the nature of the front end
[9:05] <piofcube> true... I'd have to have a good look at the front end
[9:07] <piofcube> Ideally, each file would have a main page with the subversions displayed/editable and an emeded video.
[9:07] <piofcube> embeded**
[9:07] <jzu> I have installed tortoise cvs or svn for a client a long time ago (can't remember which one actually)
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[9:08] <jzu> there was a nice integration in the file manager
[9:08] <huene> yeah, i was using tortoise svn too some years ago. worked pretty nice
[9:09] <jzu> they were mostly web developers or designers: some of them were not that technical
[9:09] <jzu> and, well, they could cope
[9:10] <piofcube> windows shell extension?
[9:10] <jzu> something like that
[9:10] <jzu> I don't know windows that much, I just saw it worked :-)
[9:11] <piofcube> looks good but not what I'm after for this project.. though I have bookmarked it as I'm sure I'll use it for another :-)
[9:12] <huene> yes windows shell extension
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[9:12] <jzu> if you don't have to merge branches, subversion is all right if you know it already, otherwise i'd have a look at git, which performs some kind of magic at this level
[9:12] <huene> you could just right-click in win explorer and pull the latest revision
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[9:13] <huene> magic is correct :) i sometimes fork and merge back unintentionally, without knowing until i see it in the log
[9:15] <piofcube> What I am setting up is the transcription/translation server. To begin with, we'll have creative commons licensed videos embeded on each main page and users can come and transcribe/translate it. The text files should be editable by registered users and anyone can download the most recent version of those text files.
[9:15] <jzu> sometimes, I wonder how it could possibly have found the correct lines to merge...
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[9:16] <huene> i don't think you can do this with only a version control system
[9:16] <jzu> wome kind of wiki?
[9:16] <jzu> s/wome/some/
[9:17] <piofcube> I could edit the template to bring in the embeded video easily because the text file name will be the same as the video's reference in the URL
[9:18] <piofcube> sort of a wiki but a one that supports text files
[9:18] <piofcube> Trying to avoid writing it myself ;-)
[9:19] <piofcube> I could use moodle with a few plugins and integrate it with a few other services
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[9:22] <Davespice> just seen my core has been offline all night, any exciting or interesting happen? :)
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[9:24] <Ticho> yeah, we had a big party without you
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[9:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
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[9:33] <piofcube> hi rattus
[9:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o
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[9:36] <Mowee> Morning
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[9:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> I want's my RPi
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[10:21] <Davespice> Ticho: haha :)
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[10:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:30] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Wed Mar 21 08:50:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 76%, Later 12??C - 5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[10:49] <Da|Mummy> !w
[10:49] <Da|Mummy> fine!
[10:49] <Da|Mummy> !w 44060
[10:49] <PiBot> Da|Mummy: in Mentor, OH on Wed Mar 21 08:53:00 2012. Temp 19??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 59%, Later 30??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[11:06] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Upper Hutt, Wellington. Temp 15??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 25??C - 15??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[11:11] <Da|Mummy> you live in a damn hut?
[11:11] <Da|Mummy> hutt
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[11:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> jabba the ?
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[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> wait that's wrong now
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set loc Palmerston North
[11:15] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: Your location has been set to Palmerston North.
[11:15] <tntexplosivesltd> !w
[11:15] <PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui. Temp 18??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 81%, Later 23??C - 15??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://ow.ly/i/wlCt
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> RS - Pi's
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[11:39] <piless> hi
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[11:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> lo
[11:40] <piless> any news?
[11:40] <piless> I wish raspberrypi.org did more regular blog posts.. Even for really minor stuff.
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[11:47] <Davespice> just spoken to farnell on the phone
[11:48] <Davespice> actually got someone who was nice and helpful :)
[11:48] <Davespice> she checked my reference number, confirmed that it was processed and in the system
[11:49] <Davespice> but the status is back order, and the supplier shipment she said is expected in mid April
[11:49] <Davespice> but she couldn't give me an exact date
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[11:50] <Davespice> I don't expect this is news to anyone, but thought I would post the info in here anyway
[11:52] <SBeans> Davespice: when was your orginal orderdate?
[11:52] <SBeans> *when was your orginal estimated delivery date?
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[11:53] <Davespice> 29th of Feb for date of order, estimated date was 12th of March (week commencing)
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[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm the android humble bundles are pretty good... all the market games are meh.
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[12:12] <MrWatson> out of curiosity, mr PiBot
[12:12] <MrWatson> is it out yet?
[12:12] <MrWatson> bah, they killed that trigger
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[13:02] <piless> realistically how big will the dev support the the rpi be? Will it be on par with the xda forums for android devices?
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[13:06] <drazyl> I would think it would be more splintered as people will be using it for different things, but on the software side potentially bigger as it's just a linux box
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[14:13] <IT_Sean> g'morning
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[14:19] <piless> AFTERNOON
[14:19] * IT_Sean checks
[14:19] <IT_Sean> Nope. Pretty sure it's still morning.
[14:20] <piless> GMT is the only time. Any other timezone is irrelevant.
[14:22] <piofcube> GMT = Globally Mandated Time isn't it? ;-)
[14:22] <piless> Yes, we invented time after all.
[14:23] <IT_Sean>
[14:23] <piless> what
[14:23] <IT_Sean> EDT = Exceptionally Delightful Time
[14:23] <IT_Sean> So.... So there!
[14:23] <piless>
[14:24] <IT_Sean> what?
[14:24] <piless> That's what you said
[14:24] <piless>
[14:24] <piless>
[14:24] <piless>
[14:24] <piless> ^
[14:24] <IT_Sean>
[14:25] <piless>
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[14:38] <Matt> indeed
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[14:40] <piless> indeed
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[14:47] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
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[15:12] <mkopack> Morning peeps!
[15:12] <drazyl> afternoon
[15:13] <mkopack> hehe
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[15:13] <mkopack> stupid time zones :)
[15:14] <mkopack> So I assume you guys saw the picture of the RS rep in China with the RPis?
[15:14] <mkopack> http://ow.ly/i/wlCt
[15:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://ow.ly/i/wlCt
[15:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah i posted earlier
[15:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
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[15:15] <ukscone> quick lets fly over there and steal the raspi (and grab a glass of champagne too)
[15:15] <ukscone> i could take him and there doesn't seem to be any security guards there
[15:16] <mkopack> Rat: I just got here.. :) Saw your comment on their page too :)
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[15:17] <mkopack> Yeah, might be nice if they'd, I don't know, SHIP some of them???
[15:17] <piless_> shipping is so overrated
[15:17] <ukscone> yuk they took the photo with an iphone
[15:18] <piless_> don't you just want to punch that guy in the face?
[15:18] <piless_> He has one of these punchable looks
[15:18] <ukscone> piless_: yup
[15:18] <piless_> Smug fuck
[15:19] <ukscone> hehehe
[15:19] <piless_> What's with all the RS boxes?
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[15:19] <ukscone> this sucks. i got sent a $150 amazon giftcard and i can't see anything on amazon that i want at the moment :(
[15:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> case thats all tehy have - 1 ... working the rest are emty boxes
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[15:20] <piless_> I like how everyone just opens the browser in demonstrations.. Like as if that's all it's going to be used for.
[15:20] <mkopack> piless: of course??? He's a SALES guy??? aka: Scum
[15:20] <jamesglanville> I found out that my friend's dad has an rpi from a shady asian business friend :(
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[15:21] <jamesglanville> I need shady business partners :(
[15:21] <piless_> ukscone: Does it count for anything sold via amazon's warehouses?
[15:21] <mkopack> preferably female ones who make me some money? LOL
[15:21] <ukscone> piless_: anything that is on the amazon site
[15:21] <ukscone> that you can payfor via the amazon checkout
[15:21] <piless_> ukscone: But amazon has everything..
[15:22] <ukscone> might just save it until someone sends me another
[15:22] <mkopack> ukscone: Book? Arduino? cables for RPi? Small-ish TV ?
[15:22] <piless_> ukscone: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gift-House-International-GH-OT2008-Gentlemans/dp/B000QS6W0I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1332339677&sr=8-2
[15:22] <ukscone> piless_: :)
[15:22] <mkopack> That's almost the problem with Amazon - unless you know what you want, it's almost impossible to just "browse" on it??? There's too much!
[15:23] <piless_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Henbrandt-X99-137-HNB-Inflatable-Sheep/dp/B001H205YQ/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1332339677&sr=8-9
[15:23] <piless_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Borat-Green-Mankini-Moustache-Fancy/dp/B004VQV79W/ref=pd_sim_k_h_b_cs_2
[15:23] <ukscone> i keep looking at arduino stuff but they have never really appealed to me
[15:23] <piless_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/OOTB-Nipple-Tassles-Red-Sequins/dp/B001I51E24/ref=pd_sim_vg_h__4
[15:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ukscone get some solar panels then
[15:23] <ukscone> and the sbc's i do like the look of arn't on amazon
[15:24] <piless_> wtf massage pen
[15:24] <piless_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/massage-pen-GH81-687-Massage-Pen/dp/B0015RWX9I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1332339677&sr=8-13
[15:24] <piless_> that's disgusting
[15:24] <piless_> who would want to write with a vibrator?
[15:24] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: solar panels? that would require that weird yellow ball in the sky called the sun. don't see it much here and in the uk if i ever return it's unknown
[15:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[15:25] <piless_> what if you sellotaped a lamp ontop of the solar panel
[15:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah powered from teh panel
[15:25] <ukscone> piless_: i saw something like tha last night
[15:25] <mkopack> Wind generator then :)
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[15:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm - coffee and cake time
[15:25] <ukscone> it was a solar panel with a built in led
[15:25] <ukscone> the photos showed the led shining on thepanel -- infinate energy :)
[15:25] <mkopack> Punch and Pie! More people will come if you tell them there will be Punch and Pie!
[15:26] <piless_> didn't they just come up with some new amazing LED tech that takes in some of it's power via the surrounding heat?
[15:26] <mkopack> ukscone: the sad thing is there are a LOT of people who would believe just that!
[15:26] <ukscone> http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Solar-Charger-Built--Windshield/dp/B00449U3K0/ref=sr_1_79?ie=UTF8&qid=1332286675&sr=8-79
[15:26] <ukscone> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411EdXR8CkL._SL75_AA30_.jpg
[15:26] <mkopack> So, yeah, $569 this morning to pay my yearly car tag tax??? OUCH
[15:27] <ukscone> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00449U3K0/ref=dp_otherviews_3?ie=UTF8&s=mp3&img=3
[15:27] <piless_> I have one of these LEDs but it's from poundland and it plugs into your usb
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[15:28] <piless_> It'd be nice when phones have built in solar chargers
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> That'd be brilliant for those of us in windowless offices all day. /sarcasm
[15:29] <ukscone> i did look at an interesting android mp3 player but not quite got enough in my gift balance atm
[15:29] <IT_Sean> The only windows in my office are Windows XP, and Windows 7 :/
[15:29] <ukscone> it's basically a smsung galaxy phone sans the phone bits
[15:30] <Hourd> i dream of no windows
[15:30] <piless_> IT_Sean: But you can just use a charger in an office....
[15:30] <IT_Sean> True.
[15:30] <mkopack> Sean: I'm sorry! :)
[15:30] <ukscone> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-5-0-Android-Player/dp/B005P1VNDW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332340173&sr=8-1
[15:31] <ukscone> it's almost perfect for me as it'd be everything i need with out the crappy phone stuff
[15:31] <piless_> Isn't that samsungs ipod touch competitor?
[15:31] <mkopack> Sean: I have a nice big cubical with 3 huge floor to ceiling windows looking out over Kennesaw Mountain Park (where the Kennesaw Battlefield was during the civil war)
[15:31] <ukscone> piless_: yeah i think so, has the camera and everything just not phone stuff
[15:31] <IT_Sean> from left to right, the machines in my office are running: [Win 7] [win xp] [win xp] [win 7] [win 7] [Linux (that's my personal laptop)]
[15:31] <piless_> ukscone: Is it a super screen?
[15:32] <IT_Sean> mkopack: you lucky bugger.
[15:32] <IT_Sean> :/
[15:32] <piless_> IT_Sean: Don't diss win7
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> piless_: Why not? :p
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Okay, i'll admit...
[15:33] <IT_Sean> it isn't awful
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Not my cuppa tea, though.
[15:33] <ukscone> piless_: not got the foggiest, juts discovered it even existed last night
[15:33] <ukscone> the only thing stipping me from getting an itouch is lack of camera and sdcard slot well those things plus the fact it's apple
[15:34] <piless_> the super leds don't have the gap between the screen and the digitizer
[15:34] <ukscone> i don't need much but camera and sd card slot are a must i want a dumb phone but the ability to runa few apps without carrying my netbook or nook in my pocket
[15:35] <piless_> why would anyone want a dumbphone in this day and age?
[15:35] <IT_Sean> my personal phone is a dumbphone
[15:35] <piless_> Unless you like to throw it against walls and watch it survive
[15:35] <IT_Sean> smaprtphones are aspensive
[15:36] <piless_> IT_Sean: which one?
[15:36] <IT_Sean> piless_: some crap Samsung
[15:36] <IT_Sean> SCH-U350
[15:37] <piless_> ooo it has flac support
[15:37] <IT_Sean> wassat?
[15:38] <piless_> that samsung galaxy play 5.0
[15:38] <piless_> *player
[15:38] <ukscone> piless_: because i don't want to pay for a data plan i wouldn't use and i don't text, i don't want an mp3 player in it i don't want..... i just want to be able to make voice calls and not have to charge it everynight
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[15:39] <piless_> the screen is the biggest power drain nowadays
[15:39] <IT_Sean> That's why i use a dumbphone. I charge this thing twice a month. It ONLY makes voice calls, but, it makes voice calls very well.
[15:39] <piless_> That and the radio chips
[15:40] <piless_> hmm the xda community for it is reaaaally small
[15:40] <piless_> ukscone: so you're out of luck if you ever want to root it and install custom roms like cyanogenmod
[15:40] <ironzorg> IT_Sean: unix philosophy ftw
[15:40] <mkopack> Hmmm??? PandaES or BeagleXM.. decisions...
[15:40] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:40] <ukscone> piless_: i don't actually bother rooting stuff that often
[15:41] <IT_Sean> I will say this... my work phone is an iPhone, and it is FANTASTIC. :p
[15:41] <piless_> mkopack: http://www.majhost.com/gallery/primeme/RandomStuff/why_not_both.png
[15:41] <ukscone> my nookcolor always returns to stock after a couple of hpours as cm7 et al just piss me off
[15:42] <piless_> why would cm7 piss you off. It often provides a stabler and faster experience than stock, especially for older devices
[15:42] <ukscone> and i like it for reading, just started my 645th book since i got it
[15:43] <ukscone> piless_: no it doesn't -- it sucks and is full of phoneisms on the nook color -- the nook color s/w is fine, does what it says it does (although they keep "fixing" it)
[15:43] <piless_> fuck the iphone. You can't even change the sms message tones from stock because of brand recognition.
[15:43] <Hexxeh> Um, yes you can.
[15:43] <piless_> No you can't
[15:43] <Hexxeh> I have a non-default SMS tone...
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[15:44] <piless_> By non-default you of course mean one that didn't come with the phone?!
[15:44] <Hexxeh> Yes
[15:44] <piless_> Because you can't change it beyond the 5 or so that come with the phone.
[15:44] <ukscone> oooo just thought of something that i could use :) a wifi internet radio that can get bbc radio 4 on it
[15:44] <piless_> It's so that when an iphone rings in a congested environment, everyone reaches for their phone, because of the brand recognition
[15:45] <piless_> ukscone: tunein is a really good android app for that
[15:45] <ukscone> piless_: i have it on my nook
[15:45] <IT_Sean> ...
[15:45] <ukscone> but don't carry my nook into the kitchen when i am doing washing up or cooking
[15:46] <IT_Sean> I can put wahtever ringtone i want as my text tone... Even a custom one.
[15:46] <stuk_gen> http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform Qt is the third project who interest the developer of win phone :P
[15:46] <piless_> Maybe they changed it with iOS 5
[15:47] <stuk_gen> windows*
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[15:47] <piless_> "using Silverlight and XNA" ...
[15:48] <mkopack> Ugh, don't say that S-word. I'm not on good terms with that
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[15:49] <piless_> I though silverlight had died
[15:49] <des2> Netflix uses it.
[15:50] <mkopack> it is THE SUX
[15:50] <ukscone> ooooo they have the series 1 dvd of the clangers
[15:50] <piless_> des2: for which platform?
[15:50] <ukscone> but i have both series already on my nook except for the "missing" episoide
[15:50] <mkopack> All of them! (desktop)
[15:51] <ukscone> http://www.amazon.com/Clangers-CLA-RED-1-Microwavable-Clanger-Coat/dp/B0042B3JTW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1332341343&sr=8-5 cool ok i want :) but not for 29 bucks
[15:51] <des2> Streaming. Televisions.
[15:51] <des2> PCs.
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[15:51] <piless_> that girl is creepy
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[16:31] <mkopack> Wow, why do D size batteries in NiMH get such low power capacity???
[16:32] <flaushy> everyone is fokussing on research of AA i guess
[16:33] <mjr> they're AA inside size adapters? ;)
[16:33] <mkopack> just seems weird. according to wikipedia's page on D-cells, alkalizes store 12000-18000 mAh, NiMH only does 2200-120000
[16:34] <mkopack> sorry 2200-12000
[16:34] <flaushy> maybe an issue with mass production. if i consider that AAs get sold billions of times i doubt there is a high market for Ds
[16:34] <mjr> 2200 does sound like AA with adapter...
[16:34] <flaushy> and i think you can even fit 2 AAs in D
[16:35] <mkopack> yeah, I haven't bought D's in YEARS
[16:35] <mkopack> Just looking around for battery power sources for a Pandaboard ES...
[16:35] <setkeh> i bout some just yesterday bro my babys swing lol
[16:35] <setkeh> bought and for*
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[16:38] <piless_> mkopack: would a car battery work?
[16:38] <mkopack> too big/heavy
[16:38] <mkopack> Looking for something that I could use on my robot to power the board
[16:38] <piless_> you could stick wheels on it
[16:38] <flaushy> and a nice battery pack? 4x AA?
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[16:41] <des2> Many Ds are just AAs in a bigger package.
[16:41] <des2> You should switch to Lithium if you want higher capacity.
[16:42] <hotwings> can the broadcom videocore iv do 10bit h264?
[16:42] <RITRedbeard> just got my report cart
[16:42] <RITRedbeard> throw some d's on that bitchhhhhhh
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[16:45] <mkopack> hot: I seem to recall that being discussed in the forums??? Might want to search for it in there
[16:45] <mkopack> RIT: Ouch
[16:45] <piless_> good luck getting help on the forums.. ha
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[16:46] * mjr doubts 10-bit support but what do I know
[16:47] <des2> 10 bit H264 ? Time to upgrade your processor.
[16:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/r-pi-as-a-media-player/page-3?value=usb%20power%20hub&type=2&include=1&search=26
[16:49] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, silly rabbit
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[16:49] <RITRedbeard> quarters are for bosses
[16:49] <mkopack> RIT? trix are for kids? LOL
[16:49] <RITRedbeard> we just entered a new one
[16:50] <mkopack> Yeah. my next one starts up first of April???
[16:50] <mkopack> Thank GOD it's only 1 class next qtr
[16:50] <RITRedbeard> the only one who got a D was raspberry pi foundation
[16:50] <RITRedbeard> for lying their asses off
[16:50] <mkopack> lol
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[16:50] <RITRedbeard> like bernie madoff
[16:50] <mkopack> Well, I'll have a Pandaboard ES to play with next week, so RPi comes when it comes at this point
[16:51] <mkopack> I'll live
[16:51] <RITRedbeard> I just got my tax return!
[16:51] <RITRedbeard> throw some pandaboards on that biiiiiiiiiitch
[16:51] <mkopack> I need to DO my taxes this weekend??? sigh
[16:51] <piless_> your rpi will never come
[16:52] <mkopack> And that's why I went for the Pandaboard??? Figure I can use that in the mean time
[16:52] <piless_> eben called everything
[16:52] <mkopack> It's faster anyhow
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> eben is a ponzi scheme master
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[16:55] <stuk_gen> beaglebone no?
[16:55] <flaushy> the price is to high imho :(
[16:55] <flaushy> i mean compared to rpi
[16:55] <passstab> everything is to expensive now
[16:55] <passstab> too
[16:56] <flaushy> hehe, true
[16:56] <flaushy> if i worked for the time i refreshed rpi.org and looked for shipping days... it prolly wouldnt be
[16:56] <piless_> mkopack: why'd why decide to pile two usbs and an ethernet ontop of each other? It triples the thickness of the board
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[16:59] <passstab> lol yes
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[17:00] <passstab> why'd why?
[17:00] <IT_Sean> Because without USB & ethernet, it'd be rather useless to most people?
[17:01] <passstab> might be nice if it had a micro or mini usb
[17:01] <stuk_gen> i think beacuse put a single chip with 2 usb + eth have is less expensive that place one near one usb + usb + eth
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[17:04] <mkopack> piles? why you asking me???
[17:04] <mkopack> And probably because a lot of MB's have it that way so the part is pretty common?
[17:04] <IT_Sean> If it's that big a deal to you, desolder the USB header.
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[17:06] <SBeans> idd
[17:07] <SBeans> it was cleary a design decison based on things that are not relevant to you ( piless_ )
[17:07] <piless_> well they should have asked me first
[17:08] <SBeans> I am sure that it was a careful decsion, and it was proabably deemed worth the depth increase, because the cost, availability, and space saved in width and length
[17:08] <SBeans> hehe
[17:08] <IT_Sean> Having two seperate USB headers, as opposed to a double header, would also mean more traces on hte board.
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[17:08] <IT_Sean> i.e. instead of 8 lines going to one header, you would have four each going to two seperate headers, on different parts of the board.
[17:09] <IT_Sean> so, it'd be more complex to route
[17:09] <SBeans> (I mean its academic explaining exactly why, it's fairly obvious that there were reasons and they were valid to the creators of the product, and the market)
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[17:09] <mkopack> Yeah, I'm sure the space had a bit part to play in it??? they were so anal about minimizing cost and getting the board cost as low as possible, which is why we have ports on every damn side.
[17:09] <IT_Sean> I mean, yeah, I agree it would be aswesome if the device was slimmer, but, come on, it's alreay pretty teeny, and your height is really mostly dictated by the ethernet port, so...
[17:10] <JMNUTS> price is most important, not size
[17:11] <IT_Sean> Besides... If it were much smaller, you'd spent half the day looking for the dammed thing.
[17:11] <des2> Ports on every size is a problem with footprint.
[17:11] <IT_Sean> Helli loose flash drives left and right. I have never lost a desktop sized harddrive
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[17:12] <huene> reminds me of http://bash.org/?5273
[17:13] <JMNUTS> lol, maybe with a termal tracer :)
[17:14] <IT_Sean> huene: i've done that.
[17:14] <IT_Sean> never at home
[17:14] <IT_Sean> But, i have done that
[17:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ done it at work a few times ...
[17:14] <IT_Sean> misplaced a thinkpad @ the office. Looked all over for it
[17:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> even now I have a machine that;s doig stuff but I'm not sure where it is
[17:14] <IT_Sean> finally resorted to RDPing into it, and activating the webcam
[17:15] <IT_Sean> it was sitting on top of a PC under a desk in an unused office.
[17:15] <huene> remotely playing music could also help
[17:15] <IT_Sean> f***ed if i know how it got there. :p
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[17:21] <piless_> IT_Sean: Language!
[17:21] <IT_Sean> I censored it
[17:22] <piless_> self-censorship is so pointless.. how does seeing three letters make a difference uck uck uck cuk
[17:23] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[17:23] <piless_> **** **** ****ing ********* *** *********** @IT_Sean ******ing ****
[17:23] <IT_Sean> fine... pardon my french
[17:23] <IT_Sean> HEY!!!! :|
[17:23] <piless_> uck
[17:23] <piless_> :D
[17:23] <mkopack> Sean: Probably somebody hoping to get an up skirt video ;) LOL
[17:24] <piless_> up skirt video?
[17:24] <mkopack> why ELSE would you put a computer with a webcam under a desk?
[17:24] <piless_> maybe you were playing uno
[17:24] <IT_Sean> I didn't put it there!
[17:24] <IT_Sean> besides, all of our laptops have webcams
[17:25] <IT_Sean> The company laptops are all Thinkpad SL410s
[17:25] <piless_> that's why I cover my laptops webcam in black electrical tape
[17:25] <piless_> too paranoid to think uninstalling the driver would disable it.
[17:25] * IT_Sean crafts a tinfoil hat for piless_
[17:26] <piless_> It's quite tastful
[17:26] <piless_> it' blends nicely with the plastic
[17:27] <IT_Sean> What are you afraid of someone seeing?
[17:27] <IT_Sean> your face?
[17:27] <piless_> my nakedness
[17:27] <huene> lack of trousers
[17:28] <piless_> Browsing the internet naked is the best way to browse the internet
[17:28] <IT_Sean>
[17:28] <piless_>
[17:28] <SBeans> 16:24 <+piless_> that's why I cover my laptops webcam in black electrical tape
[17:28] * IT_Sean shudders
[17:29] <SBeans> you could just configure yopur computer settings so that this sort of thing cannot happen
[17:30] <IT_Sean> indeed
[17:30] <piless_> only a fool would trust the settings
[17:30] * thedude is now known as LordDude
[17:30] <SBeans> the same way that throwing your computer out the window every time you are done for the day, can be replaced with ahutting it down
[17:30] <SBeans> only a fool would tape their webcam
[17:30] <hotwings> piless_ - why are you so obsessed with profanity?
[17:31] <piless_> only a fool wouldn't
[17:31] <piless_> it's not like I used orange tape or anything
[17:31] <piless_> black tape on black plastic
[17:32] <piless_> I do have some orange tape though
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[17:32] <piless_> Actually it's more red
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[17:32] <piless_> and blue
[17:32] <mkopack> you save that for naughty fun time with the ladies, right?
[17:33] <piless_> and some of that yellow and green
[17:33] <piless_> yellow and green is earth right?
[17:33] <huene> right
[17:33] <piless_> I dunno what blue is supposed to be for..
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> SBeans: If you never use the webcam, and you do not have control of which OS is installed on it, and you don't trust that OS not to have bugs...
[17:33] <piless_> mkopack: Nah, that's what the gaffa tape is for.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Then taping the webcam is quite reasonable.
[17:33] <drazyl> blue is live
[17:34] <drazyl> or is it neutral?
[17:34] <huene> neutral
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[17:34] <piless_> What about red?
[17:34] <drazyl> bloody stupid colours
[17:34] <drazyl> red isnt used
[17:34] <piless_> I have some white tape aswell
[17:34] <drazyl> except to repair my dyson
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> UK wiring colours recently changed.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom
[17:34] <drazyl> recently as in a good few years ago :)
[17:34] <piless_> It all came in a multipack from asda, they didn't sell black by itself :(
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wiring_colours
[17:34] <drazyl> anyone else remember round-pinned plugs in the uk?
[17:35] <huene> well i don't know the UK colours
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> piless_: 2004 is quite recentish
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> piless_: I have hard drives older than that.
[17:35] <piless_> hmm I don't have brown or grey
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[17:35] <huene> the colours should be used equally all around the globe
[17:35] <drazyl> "This colour scheme had already been introduced for appliance flexes in the UK in the early 1970"
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[17:35] <IT_Sean> Whoever did the wiring in my bedroom was an obvious subscriber to the plug & pray school of thought.
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Took me a week to set it all right again.
[17:36] * drazyl can remember the schemes changing
[17:37] <piless_> are you old enough to remember from before the 3 pin plug?
[17:37] <drazyl> and these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_546
[17:37] <drazyl> although they were outdated then
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[17:38] <Hexxeh> Is there a Gentoo image for the Pi yet?
[17:38] <Hexxeh> If so, anyone got the make.conf handy?
[17:39] <piless_> there never will be
[17:39] <piless_> who could be arsed to go through with that?
[17:39] <mkopack> Hexxeh: There's an overlay
[17:39] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Link?
[17:39] <mkopack> But I don't think there's an actual "image" posted anywhere
[17:39] <piless_> do it yourself
[17:39] <Hexxeh> I've just ordered a bunch of new servers, I want to provide a BINHOST for the Pi
[17:39] <mkopack> Hexxeh: It's in the forums, in the Distributions section, there's a thread on Gentoo and they talk about it there
[17:39] <Hexxeh> I'll take a look
[17:40] <piless_> have fedora fixed their distro yet?
[17:40] <Hexxeh> If anyone else prepping distros for the Pi needs a server, get in touch, I might be able to hook you up
[17:40] <mkopack> Hexxeh: I have no idea WTF an Overlay is with Gentoo though, so it didn't do me any good
[17:40] <piless_> I'll take a free server please
[17:40] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Set of ebuilds essentially
[17:40] <mkopack> lol, what's an ebuild? LOL
[17:40] <Hexxeh> Instructions to build packages == ebuild
[17:41] <mkopack> I've only ever messed with Ubunutu and debian a bit
[17:41] <[XeN]> Anyone here who already has a raspi?
[17:41] <piless_> I do
[17:41] <mkopack> Xen: Nobody has them yet
[17:41] <piless_> And some smug fucks in at rs
[17:41] <RaYmAn> mkopack: there are people with beta boards.
[17:41] <piless_> How would one go about shrinking a silicone case?
[17:41] <mkopack> Yeah, VERY few
[17:42] <RaYmAn> maybe but in here, but lots if other places.
[17:42] <[XeN]> mkopack: I thought there was a short preorder time before the "call interest pages appaer
[17:42] <mkopack> ?
[17:42] <piless_> I'll sell you a pi xen
[17:42] <Hexxeh> None of them have dispatched yet
[17:42] <piless_> $200
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[17:42] <[XeN]> :P
[17:42] <mkopack> XeN: Yeah, most of us have them ORDED, but nothing has shipped yet
[17:42] <Hexxeh> They went back to China to have the Ethernet jacks replaced apparently
[17:42] <piless_> mine shipped
[17:42] <[XeN]> $190 !
[17:42] <Hexxeh> piless_: Proof or it didn't happen
[17:42] <piless_> $200
[17:42] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: I'm surprised you aren't one of the people with a beta board, lol
[17:43] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: I asked, but apparently Chromium OS isn't too high on their list of priorities... :P
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[17:43] <Hexxeh> I think RasPi might be the first board I provide regular automatic updates for
[17:43] <piless_> there's a chomium os now?
[17:43] <piless_> define regular
[17:43] <Hexxeh> In keeping with official releases
[17:44] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: maybe ram concerns?
[17:44] <Hexxeh> Same updates you'd get on a Chromebook
[17:44] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: Definitely, swap will be a requirement
[17:44] <RaYmAn> i know a bunch of mer people have them
[17:45] <piless_> mermaids?
[17:45] <Hexxeh> I'd offer someone who had a beta board an obscene amount of money for one if I didn't have to save for flights for this summer
[17:45] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:45] <RaYmAn> no, just merfolk ;)
[17:46] <piless_> Hexxeh: I'll sell you a production board for $200
[17:46] <Hexxeh> nah
[17:46] <urs> short selling doesn't count. :)
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[17:46] <Hexxeh> I'd pay a bit more for a beta one, for the fact it's a collectible item
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[17:54] <RITRedbeard> I just got my tax return!
[17:54] <RITRedbeard> throw some pandaboards on that biiiiiiiiiitch
[17:55] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:55] <IT_Sean> my tax refund check will be used to pay for, in part, my new laptop, i think.
[17:58] <mkopack> Yeah, mine is going to be paying for the PandaBoard+Rpi, and to knock my Credit Card bill down a bit.. sigh
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> pandaboard is a laptop biiiiiiiitch
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> !
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[17:59] <RITRedbeard> QXGA Thinkpads biiiiiiiitch
[18:00] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[18:08] <RITRedbeard> yeahhhh
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[18:18] <Hexxeh> emailed Liz to see if I can get a beta board, doubt it, but worth a shot :P
[18:18] <Thorn_> you can't
[18:18] <RITRedbeard> I emailed Liz and I got a handjob. Well, an IOU anyway.
[18:19] <RITRedbeard> Actually, why don't we just rob that museum of history?
[18:19] <RITRedbeard> Problem solved.
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[18:20] <drazyl> you can't change history!
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[18:20] <drazyl> that's like crossing the streams or something
[18:20] <RITRedbeard> ha! I'll just make the proper changes to history's repo!
[18:20] <wcchandler> I do find it funny that they were able to press and manufacture in about 3 weeks, but the people they're outsourcing it to can't do it any faster
[18:20] <des2> News headline: Major Museum robbery - $35 computer taken.
[18:21] <IT_Sean> hahaha
[18:21] <IT_Sean> That would be awesome.
[18:21] <drazyl> thousands of geeks on the rampage
[18:21] <Hexxeh> Has anyone heard anything from Farnell about the boards that were quoted as being delivered 12th March?
[18:22] <drazyl> nope
[18:22] <Hexxeh> I keep meaning to phone them but never get around to it
[18:22] <mkopack> Hex: Nobody has heard JACK S**T
[18:23] <mkopack> hence a lot of the frustration
[18:23] <Hexxeh> What do Farnell say if you call them?
[18:23] <mkopack> June/July
[18:23] <IT_Sean> anything that was quoted as early as 12 mar is going to be delayed due to the ethernet port issue
[18:23] <Hexxeh> Even if they said 12th March initially?
[18:23] <IT_Sean> yes.
[18:23] <Hexxeh> IT_Sean: I asked Liz and she said the delivery date for the first batch shouldn't be affected
[18:23] <IT_Sean> ALL of the raspis had to go BACK to china to have the ethernet ports swapped.
[18:23] <mkopack> Yeah, which seems odd. They seems to not get that these were early in orders, that date would seem to be a "if I ordered now" date
[18:24] <RITRedbeard> I could have removed the etnernet myself
[18:24] <RITRedbeard> actually it's kind of pointless because
[18:24] <Hexxeh> Ditto
[18:24] <RITRedbeard> a) it shares the bandwidth of the USB bus
[18:24] <Kolin> they should have just sold them as model A's
[18:24] <Hexxeh> I don't even care about ethernet, popping a USB WiFi connector on
[18:24] <RITRedbeard> b) I would have used my own high powered 802.11 adapter anyway
[18:25] <mkopack> RIT: Yeah, but it's not going to saturate the USB bus??? 100Mb only will use up 1/4 of the theoretical max of the USB 2.0's 480Mbit
[18:25] <RITRedbeard> e.g: Alfa AWUS036H
[18:25] <des2> Actually someone that had a 12 March date called Farnell
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[18:25] <Hexxeh> mkopack: So Farnell say June/July even if you're calling about a 12th March quoted order?
[18:25] <des2> Farnell told them Mid April.
[18:25] <Hexxeh> Wtf.
[18:25] <RITRedbeard> lol
[18:26] <RITRedbeard> eben == madoff
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[18:26] <RITRedbeard> I guess we'll have Kepler before Raspberry.
[18:26] <IT_Sean> Any delivery dates quoted before the discovery of the enet port issue will be delayed.
[18:26] <mkopack> Hexxeh: That's what people are posting...
[18:26] <RITRedbeard> Depressing.
[18:26] <RITRedbeard> Extremely depressing.
[18:26] <mkopack> At this point SpaceX will get to the ISS before we get Pi's
[18:26] <RITRedbeard> We'll land on Mars before we get Pi's.
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[18:27] <mkopack> That's why I gave in and ordered the PandaBoard
[18:27] <RITRedbeard> Tegra 7 will sell for peanuts before we get Pi's
[18:28] <RITRedbeard> I like how Sean always leaves when we come out in full force.
[18:28] <RITRedbeard> Those IT guys... IT = I Tried.
[18:29] <mkopack> Now now, sean seems to be quite knowledgeable and a decent dude
[18:29] <RITRedbeard> it's depressing to think that #beaglebone has only 34 people while this room has 340 people.
[18:29] <drazyl> maybe their all using theirs
[18:29] <RITRedbeard> ZING!
[18:30] <des2> lol
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[18:31] <mkopack> Hex: did you find that stuff on the Gentoo overlay?
[18:31] <mkopack> https://github.com/subwire/raspberrypi-overlay
[18:32] <Hexxeh> Got distracted, cheers
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[18:32] <mkopack> Here's the thread where it was discussed: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/distributions/gentoo-arm-on-rasbpberry-pi-hard-float/page-2
[18:33] <RITRedbeard> !
[18:33] <RITRedbeard> They discuss stuff on threads on the forums?!?!
[18:33] <RITRedbeard> You could have fooled me.
[18:34] <mkopack> Yes, you have to weed through all the posts bitching about something, and all the repeat posts about "will it run windows?" but yeah, there's some useful discussions on there :)
[18:34] <Hexxeh> The forum software used is pretty dreadful though
[18:35] <mkopack> Agred. They're supposed to be replacing it soon
[18:35] <piless_> will it run windows though?
[18:35] <RITRedbeard> Sure they are!
[18:35] <RITRedbeard> Just like we'll have Pi soon.
[18:35] * RITRedbeard rolls em.
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[18:36] <des2> They had an opportunity to replace both the hardware and software when the forums were down for a week and they did neither.
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[18:36] <des2> (the hardware did eventually get upgraded)
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[18:38] <piless_> because it's a scam
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[19:17] <Hexxeh> got my gentoo armv6zk hardfloat toolchain working
[19:17] <Hexxeh> binhost time :V
[19:17] <Hexxeh> then i can use that to speed up cros builds
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[19:28] <cougarten> does anyone know how long it took for farnell to sell out the first batch? i'm wondering where in in line i might be at RS
[19:29] <des2> Hard to say cause RS was only taking 'expressions of interest'
[19:29] <cougarten> right
[19:29] <des2> And this caused a lot of people not to bother with RS
[19:30] <cougarten> but less load also, so more people reached the page :)
[19:30] <des2> Thinking that was the wrong link cause RPF said there was an actual order link
[19:30] <cougarten> i made it in minute 9 or 16, i cant remember
[19:30] <cougarten> a right
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[19:32] <cougarten> minute 5 it was :) i might be lucky
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[19:34] <des2> It seems that all delivery dates now are just BS.
[19:35] <cougarten> initially it looked like only RS was postage free, thats why i sticked to them
[19:35] <cougarten> taxes made it suprisingly expensive allready
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[19:41] <carli2> hi
[19:42] <piless_> hi
[19:42] <carli2> I filled the interest form at farnell twice, but never got a response email
[19:42] <carli2> did i do sth wrong?
[19:42] <piless_> no
[19:42] <piless_> it turns out that farnell are dicks
[19:43] <piless_> you should try calling up their customer service
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[20:16] <mkopack> YAY, I have shipping information!
[20:17] <mkopack> (for my Pandaboard ES???. LOL???. Sorry to get your hopes up???.)
[20:17] <IT_Sean> :|
[20:17] <Kostic> I CURSE YOU. xD
[20:19] <GabrialDestruir> Why does Steam give me coupons for games I already own? .-.
[20:19] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)
[20:20] <IT_Sean> to piss you off?
[20:21] <piless_> the christmas coupons were so shit
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[20:21] <piless_> they gave everyone **% off valve games..
[20:22] <piless_> when virtually everyone who has steam already has most of valves catalogue
[20:22] <GabrialDestruir> Heh.... well now I've got two 50% off AC Revelations.... and I already own the game.
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[20:22] <piless_> Give me one?
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[20:23] <GabrialDestruir> Gah.... I really need to stop buying games when they first come out....
[20:23] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:23] <GabrialDestruir> I paid 50 bucks for Portal 2, and now it's only 10 bucks
[20:23] <GabrialDestruir> on sale, but still
[20:24] <IT_Sean> I paid less than $50, but more than $10. Still worth it. Good game.
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[20:24] <mkopack> Oh, FFS! We FINALLY get a tweet from Liz, and it's this: "My memories of Logo are frustrated ones; think I got to use it x1. Teacher kept it in a cupboard rest of time bc it was a hassle to set up."
[20:24] <mkopack> ARGH!
[20:24] <piless_> I paid full price for civ5 when it came out >.>
[20:24] <mkopack> Yeah, I STILL need to get around to finishing Portal 2..
[20:24] <mkopack> I have so many damn games unfinished
[20:24] <GabrialDestruir> I think I paid like 45 or something I got the "discount" for preordering
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[20:25] <piless_> the co-op in portal2 is fun
[20:25] <mkopack> I heard that Far Cry 3 is coming out??? I never finished 1!
[20:25] <piless_> It's such a shame the game has virtually no replay value
[20:25] <GabrialDestruir> I never played 1 and never finished 2
[20:25] <IT_Sean> I finished P2, then went back and did P1
[20:25] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:25] <piless_> The far cry games were such a pain in the ass. I hate respawning enemies so fucking much
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[20:25] <GabrialDestruir> You can always replay it for the commentary.
[20:25] <mkopack> Portal 1 was fun, but didn't really get challenging until like level 16 or so
[20:26] <GabrialDestruir> and I liked Portal 2 better, but I could never find a partner for Co-Op that I was okay playing with .-.
[20:26] <piless_> mkopack: That's the point, it's supposed to be a gradual learning curve to stop the casuals from being scared off.
[20:26] <IT_Sean> I hate playing w/ random strangers.
[20:26] <GabrialDestruir> and even when I didn't find someone decent enough to play with....
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir> one of us would inevitably start lagging.
[20:27] <piless_> Once you find a decent clan of like minded people then online steam play is great
[20:27] <IT_Sean> It's either some 12 year old w/ a penchant for calling you a dickfag, or someone who is a complete nutter at the game, and shouts at you for not instantly knowing how to solve a puzzle
[20:27] <Thorn_> PG13 ! ban itsean
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir> It's a huge pain in the ass if you start lagging when you need just right timing in that game.
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[20:28] <piless_> you were much better off playing with someone you knew in real life.. Even if the random wasn't a total dick they'd most likely have done them all already
[20:28] * IT_Sean nods
[20:28] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... if people don't know how to cuss at 13, it's time for them to become truly educated....
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[20:28] <piless_> fucking thirteen year olds are everywhere
[20:29] <piless_> you should make the channel 12a
[20:29] <IT_Sean> what the ass is 12a?
[20:29] <piless_> IT_Sean: Never been to a cinema?
[20:29] <IT_Sean> We have G, PG, PG13, R, and NC17 here. Never heard of 12a
[20:29] <Thorn_> wtf is 12a
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> Come on, I think most kids learn to cuss before they ever hit their teens.
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> I'm assuming 12a would be like PG
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> or G
[20:29] <piless_> No under 12s unless accompanied by an adult
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> .-,
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> That's basically PG13
[20:30] <piless_> http://www.bbfc.co.uk/classification/guidelines/12a12/
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[20:31] <IT_Sean> G is floofy cuddly crap that noone wants to watch (General Audience), PG is parental guidence (someone might say "ass"). Then is PG13 (you might see a nipple), then R (Restricted. This is the good stuff. People getting blown up. Lots of swearing. Mindless violence, etc..) then NC17 is porn, basically.
[20:31] <piless_> Make the channel NC17 then
[20:32] <IT_Sean> No.
[20:32] * Thorn_ lifts bra
[20:32] <Thorn_> wooooo!
[20:32] <IT_Sean> ...
[20:32] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: put your moobs away
[20:32] <Thorn_> :(
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[20:33] <piless_> is this you thorn? http://i.imgur.com/VEFn4.jpg
[20:34] <Thorn_> now that was uncalled for
[20:34] <IT_Sean> I didn't click. Was it really nasty?
[20:34] <GabrialDestruir> Gah.... your name reminds me of those annoying pod people enemies in DCUO
[20:34] <piless_> no
[20:34] <Thorn_> it was a fat kid with size DD
[20:34] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: eeeeeeeeeeew
[20:34] <piless_> those wern't dd
[20:35] <mkopack> Oh FFS! *NOW* I'm PISSED
[20:35] <IT_Sean> wasswrong mkopack
[20:35] <IT_Sean> ?
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[20:35] <IT_Sean> Can we please not argue about a fat kids moob size!?!!! PLEASE!!!
[20:35] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: search google images for blue waffle
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[20:35] <IT_Sean> ...
[20:35] <Thorn_> wtf is the point in making it pg13 if you're going to instruct people to look for blue waffle
[20:36] <piless_> yes
[20:36] <Thorn_> i'm out
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[20:36] <piless_> I said make it N17 or whatever it's called
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> SCREW YOU!
[20:36] <mkopack> Just found out that something I've been pushing and spearheading the charge for us to do at work for over a year now, that I am VERY interested in doing research in (I work in an R&D group) has FINALLY gotten some traction with the research head??? and I'm NOT being involved with it AT ALL! I wasn't even AWARE of it until today and they've been working the concept for over a month now...
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> I already know that crap
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[20:36] <piless_> mkopack: shoot 'em
[20:36] <IT_Sean> jeeeeebus flaming chris!!!
[20:37] <IT_Sean> piless_: Not Cool. :/
[20:37] <piless_> lol
[20:37] <mkopack> And when my name was brought up as somebody who they should involve with it, the response was - "Can't, he's working full time on project xyz"??? which is BS because My involvement on XYZ is NOTHING special! There are 6 other people who could do exactly what I'm doing on XYZ.
[20:37] <IT_Sean> Seriousily. Telling people to google stuff like that will get you a kicking in the future.
[20:37] <GabrialDestruir> Which makes the whole Percy Jackson series just plain disgusting when he starts talking about Blue Waffles
[20:37] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[20:37] <IT_Sean> This is a family friendly channel.
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[20:37] <piless_> family friendly is so overrated
[20:38] <IT_Sean> piless_: I am seriousl.
[20:38] <mkopack> And I just KNOW when I go for my review again this year, they're going to ding me for "not taking the lead in coming up with a new research idea"??? HOW CAN I WHEN YOU STEAL WHAT I COME UP WITH!?!?1
[20:38] <IT_Sean> *serious
[20:38] <piless_> so I am
[20:38] <slaeshjag> I remember Sony from OpenPandora forums, he once posted a picture of him wearing a bra. He's a mod now.
[20:38] <piless_> mkopack: Can you go over the head of your supervisor?
[20:39] <mkopack> I don't see how...
[20:39] <mkopack> I'm told it's REALLY political.
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[20:39] <mkopack> But you can be sure I'm going to have a few words with my boss when I talk to him next.
[20:39] <piless_> bring a semi into work and shoot everyone
[20:39] <mkopack> eh, the people I'd want to kill are in the NJ office...
[20:39] <mkopack> 650 miles away
[20:39] <piless_> mkopack: was the pushing and spearheading done in writing?
[20:40] <mkopack> YES!
[20:40] <piless_> So there's evidence, emails and such?
[20:40] <mkopack> multiple powerpoints, emails, etc.
[20:40] <piless_> I'd get a load of evidence if your boss is denying it and just dump it on his desk
[20:40] <mkopack> I even posted about hearing how DARPA was interested in this??? and in return I got a "Yes, ABC is aware of that and it's being worked. Sit tight, we'll get info to you soon"
[20:41] <mkopack> Yeah, I SEE how I get the info???
[20:42] <mkopack> Good thing I'm off these next 2 days??? I'm about ready to punch somethign
[20:42] <piless_> Don't go to HR though.
[20:42] <piless_> HR exist to benefit the company, not the employees
[20:43] <mkopack> I wouldn't even have known if I hadn't mentioned to my coworker in the next cube over that I want to try to finish getting our robot done this summer and he said "Oh, you know, BTW, did you hear about this proposal that they're doing up in NJ?"
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[20:43] <mkopack> Yeah, HR is a F'ing joke??? They're the idiots who make sure a big deal out the review process every year??? which is DUMB
[20:43] <mkopack> complete and utter waste of time...
[20:43] <piless_> Perhaps you should shit on his desk
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[20:44] <mkopack> "Make sure you have a career planning discussion with your boss"??? Like my boss gives a rats ass
[20:44] <mkopack> And it's the SAME discussion EVERY year
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[20:44] <mkopack> Either tell me to be a researcher and support that, or let me just be a coder and stop expecting me to do research, but F'ing CHOOSE.
[20:45] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... I hate when my brain fails me .-.
[20:45] <piless> GabrialDestruir: buy a new one
[20:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to figure out how in VB I can select which variable to use without a bunch of If structures .-.
[20:46] <piless> solution: don't use visual basic
[20:47] <mkopack> Case statement?
[20:47] <mkopack> (switch?)
[20:47] <mkopack> effectively the same thing, but a lot cleaner if you have a number of them to work throgh
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[20:59] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... I'm not doing this right .-.
[20:59] <IT_Sean> ?
[21:01] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Stick it on pastebin or something
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[21:02] <GabrialDestruir> Figured it out... lol
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir> Case "01" for what I'm doing as opposed to say Case 1
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[21:04] <mkopack> So??? Liz is back from the land of no internet??? new posting on the front page
[21:05] <mkopack> apparently after she twisted her knee, Eben brought her to a cabin to relax and it didn't have any connectivity there???
[21:06] <piless> I thought that was the raspberry pi blog and not liz's personal blog
[21:06] <mkopack> (and having been to Colorado a few times, believe me, that's NOT surprising???)
[21:06] <mkopack> It is, but Liz usually handles the posts
[21:06] <mkopack> Sounds like we might get some info of some sort later today.
[21:07] <_av500_> about the knee?
[21:07] <piless> yeah right
[21:07] <_av500_> pics or it did not happen....
[21:07] <normod> sounds like liz'll have a baby with eben before I get my rpi :)
[21:07] <piless> ain't she a bit old for that?
[21:10] <mkopack> HAHAHH
[21:10] <mkopack> "a friend of mine received some RasPi stickers a while back and left them in the opened envelope on the side before going to work. A while later his wife finds them, and promptly misidentifies them as ???acid tabs??? (not sure that???s the correct term ??? i.e. drugs) and, in a panic, takes the ???phone-a-friend-in-the-Cambridgeshire-Constabulary??? option. A brief description to the friend was all they needed to confirm they did inde
[21:10] <mkopack> sound like ???acid tabs???. My mate gets home that evening to a very concerned/angry wife and a lot of questions??? his reply is best imagined???"
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[21:10] <IT_Sean> HAHAHAHA!
[21:10] <IT_Sean> Ooooh! That reminds me!!!
[21:11] <_av500_> get more acid tabs
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> lmfao, seriously? xD
[21:11] <mkopack> You got a hit for us?? :)
[21:11] <Kolin> lol
[21:11] <IT_Sean> I saw a raspi sticker on a ticket machine @ Kings Cross last week!
[21:11] <mkopack> haha, nice
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[21:11] <_av500_> one sticker for every child
[21:11] <IT_Sean> My phone was dead, so, i couldn't take a picture, but, it was just aboe the screen.
[21:12] <piless> that's what you get for having a dumbphone
[21:12] <mkopack> (Damn you FedEX! Update your system and give me info on my tracking number! I know you haven't picked it up yet, but can't you tell me when it's going to arrive?!??!)
[21:12] <IT_Sean> piless: actually, i had my iPhone w/ me, but the battery was flat.
[21:13] <IT_Sean> I forgot to turn it off while attempting to navigate the completly incomprehensible Underground system, and it ran it's battery down searching for a signal
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[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... assuming I didn't completely misread my midterm assignment.... I think I'm done .-.
[21:15] <mkopack> Don't they have cell repeaters there????
[21:15] <Matt> hrm
[21:15] <Kolin> ha, are you kidding mkopack
[21:15] <mkopack> Gab: congrats!
[21:15] <Matt> I am seriously considering making some tea
[21:15] <IT_Sean> If they do, they weren't working.
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[21:15] <mkopack> Pretty sure most of the subways systems in the US have them
[21:15] <IT_Sean> I had to surface for cell reception
[21:15] <GabrialDestruir> The app should have a list to choose a room (at least six rooms should be available). a text box to enter an item (such as couch) and a text box to enter a value. For this app, the calculation button should tell the user the number of items entered, the total value of the items and the one room they belong to.
[21:15] <mkopack> Of course, it's been like 3 years since I've ridden one
[21:16] <Matt> london underground doesn't have many
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[21:16] <Matt> they keep talking about putting them in tho
[21:16] <IT_Sean> I have never gotten a cell signal while underground in either New York, or London.
[21:16] <Matt> possibly s/many/any/
[21:16] <mkopack> Even in the stations Sean? I would have thought AT&T + Verizon would have put repeaters in
[21:16] <_av500_> GabrialDestruir: mid term of what?
[21:16] <GabrialDestruir> By what it says there I'm assuming it's suppose to be like one Item at a time entry, that it's suppose to have the "Items Value" and when the room is selected show all items and the total value for that room?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> And the London underground system is a LOT less confusing than NY's subway system, but, it's not entirely intuitive to someone who isn't used to it
[21:17] <mkopack> Gab: when in doubt, state your assumptions in your answer. Say what wasn't clear and what you're doing based on your interpretation
[21:17] <mkopack> That way they have only themselves to blame for not being explicitly clear
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> Visual Basic Class..... I think I understand what the teacher wants... but as I just posted... it's a bit vague... lol
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[21:17] <_av500_> also, add $10 beer from the minibar to the total
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[21:17] <mkopack> I've had to do that a bunch this quarter because one of my instructors can't write a clear unambiguous test question to save her life
[21:18] <IT_Sean> mkopack: I haven't used NY's subway in at least a year, but, I have never gotten a mobile to work underground.
[21:19] <IT_Sean> I used to have a teacher like that. I always ended up writing two answers on tests: "If by X you mean Y, then the answer is [answer 1]. Otherwise, if by X you mean Z, the answer is [answer2]"
[21:20] <mkopack> Yeah, same here. Been doing that a LOT this quarter. I am SO glad I'm done with her class and she doesn't teach any of the other classes I have left to take
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> I really don't want to code two or three versions of what this project "could" be
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[21:21] <mkopack> Like I said, provide a read me file, explain how you understood the question to be saying, and code to that interpretation. Maybe state that "If you really mean this other thing, then I'd change what I did in these ways"
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[21:22] <Kolin> or ask them to explain?
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[21:22] <Kolin> or clarify
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[21:32] <GabrialDestruir> I probably should work on making this more complex for the final... using arrays to store data so you can recall all items name and number and value etc. on a per Room Basis..... it can't be that hard .-.
[21:32] <IT_Sean> "How hard can it be?"
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Famous last words.
[21:32] <HienoMies> hard as Pi
[21:33] <Kolin> lol
[21:33] * IT_Sean writes a program to calculate pi to the pi-millionth digit, installs it on GabrialDestruir, hits RUN, then runs away
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> Since the human mind is just a computer supposed thousands of times more powerful than any desktop, it should be possible to calculate Pi faster with a human mind.....
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[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> funny how that doesn't quite work, eh?
[21:35] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[21:36] <IT_Sean> I estimate you will complete the program in 8.3 years. Give or take a few minutes.
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[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[21:38] <mkopack> Arrays??? It's VB, doesn't that do OO?
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> I just realized.... Pi is the perfect Virus o.o
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[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.piday.org/million.php
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> Program Complete :p
[21:39] <mkopack> Make a Room class, make object classes that store the value associated with that object, add the objects to the room in a linked list???
[21:39] <Matt> IIRC, 3.141592653589793238462643383
[21:39] <mkopack> When you need to recall them, just grab the data from each room, find he one you're looking for, and the value associated with it
[21:39] <Matt> and that's accurate enough for me
[21:39] <IT_Sean> I usually leave it at 3.14
[21:39] <mkopack> Should be like an HOUR to code that up, especially in VB
[21:39] <Matt> I used to know 40 sf
[21:39] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> The one millionth digit of Pi is 1
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[21:40] <IT_Sean> What about the ten trillionth digit? Huh? HUH!?
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[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> 3. 141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102
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[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> Is more accurate Matt :p
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[21:41] <Matt> GabrialDestruir: yes, but did that come from your mind without having to look it up anywhere fist?
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> No .-.
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[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> Abort/Retry/Fail
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[21:45] <Hexxeh> Huzzah, got a crossdev'd toolchain for the Pi working under the Chromuim OS chroot
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> Chrome OS Pi? Yay!
[21:46] <des2> Congrats.
[21:46] <Hexxeh> Eh, not yet :P
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[21:46] <Hexxeh> Lots of work to be done
[21:46] <Hexxeh> But I'll make all the binary packages available as I build them
[21:46] <des2> S'ok you've apparently got lots of time before the PIs actually ship...
[21:46] <Hexxeh> So anyone wanting to run Gentoo should be set, too.
[21:46] <Hexxeh> des2: Going to /try/ and get my hands on a beta board
[21:47] <hamitron> gentoo on a device with an ikle cpu? ;)
[21:47] <Hexxeh> hamitron: Gentoo with a BINHOST configured
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[21:47] <hamitron> k :)
[21:47] <BCMM> binhost? i'm just going to do distcc
[21:48] <Hexxeh> BCMM: isn't distcc with a cross compile toolchain a pain in the ass?
[21:48] <BCMM> Hexxeh: gentoo actually has a pretty nice tool for building cross toolchains
[21:49] <Hexxeh> crossdev
[21:49] <BCMM> i've done cross distcc before, for an x86 gentoo box acting as a distcc node for a gentoo install on an imac g3
[21:49] <BCMM> yeah, crossdev
[21:52] <Hexxeh> fair enough
[21:52] <Hexxeh> not everyone has the environment setup for that, though
[21:52] <Hexxeh> at least a binhost can just be preconfigured in an image
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[22:01] <Hexxeh> fingers crossed it's smooth sailing at this point, and that none of the packages have armv7 required
[22:01] <mkopack> Hex: working on Gentoo for the Pi ?
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[22:02] <Hexxeh> i'm doing Chromium OS
[22:02] <Hexxeh> but it's Gentoo based
[22:02] <Hexxeh> so Gentoo should be simple once Chromium OS works
[22:02] <mkopack> Ah
[22:02] <mkopack> cool
[22:02] <Hexxeh> should be able to share a binhost
[22:02] <mkopack> sweet!
[22:02] <Hexxeh> and i'm gonna keep that updated daily ofc
[22:03] <Hexxeh> add it to my nightly builders
[22:03] <mkopack> Thinking I might pull down Gentoo and install into a VM tonight so I can try it out and get used to it
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[22:04] <chod> gentoo is a good education
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[22:49] <Hexxeh> quite a few failures but i think usually it doesn't bootstrap everything from source, so that's to be expected
[22:50] <Hexxeh> 442 packages to build from source, this shouldn't take too long... :V
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[23:14] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/board/10716288
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> (not directly on-topic)
[23:16] <[deXter]> lol
[23:18] <winocm> sonic the hedgehog!
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[23:28] * PiBot sets mode +v mkopack
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[23:29] * PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard
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[23:31] * PiBot sets mode +v rikai
[23:31] * PiBot sets mode +v rikai
[23:34] <RITRedbeard> aww yeah
[23:36] <mkopack> ?
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> 4x PANDABOARD ES
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH
[23:37] <mkopack> ?
[23:37] * sjoxx_ (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:37] <mkopack> You're getting?
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> I have.
[23:37] <mkopack> nice
[23:37] <mkopack> I have one on order on the way
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> all I did was panhandle for money
[23:37] <RITRedbeard> in the amount of time that we were promised a pi
[23:37] <mkopack> Sell your "Mangina" ?
[23:38] <RITRedbeard> I pretended to be homeless.
[23:39] <mkopack> Ah, so you gave it up for less money then :)
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> I joined the ponzi scheme
[23:40] <mkopack> lol
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> how to get rich in 12 steps by eben upton ebook
[23:40] <RITRedbeard> only $19.99
[23:41] <piofcube> they taking pre-orders for that?
[23:41] <RITRedbeard> Yup.
[23:41] <RITRedbeard> Still waiting for the link.
[23:45] <RITRedbeard> ETA is mid-June.
[23:49] <JMNUTS> Anyone Getting Pi boards by Now ?
[23:49] <Ben64> they don't exist
[23:49] <Ben64> the raspberry pi is an idea, not a product
[23:50] <JMNUTS> Hope not
[23:50] * RITRedbeard huffs the vapor
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[23:54] <des2> They've decided that Vurtual Boards can be produced even cheaper than real boards.
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> they have the means to produce virtual boards in the UK
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