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IRC Log for 2012-03-23

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> what am I after then?
[0:00] <ukscone> is that in the path? forget what it's called
[0:00] <ukscone> hold on let me fire up the vm
[0:01] <ukscone> hold on my mistake
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[0:02] <ukscone> did you build sb23/qemu yourself?
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> from git
[0:02] <ukscone> ok can you pastebin or paste your path?
[0:03] <ShiftPlusOne> PATH=/home/shift/dev/pi/scratchbox2/bin:/home/shift/dev/pi/qemu/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.5.3:/usr/games/bin
[0:04] <ukscone> are you inside the rootfs you are going to use?
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> am I meant to be?
[0:04] <ukscone> yes for sb2-init
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[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> oh <.<
[0:05] <ukscone> try being inside your rootfs directry and try it again
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> progress
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[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, all good this time
[0:07] <ukscone> great
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks for the help and the tutorials
[0:07] <ukscone> :) perhaps you should havee read it :)
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> so I missed one sentence >.>
[0:09] <ukscone> There is just one more thing to do before we can start using scratchbox2. We need to initialize it. While inside the the seed rootfs directory. In this case rootfs_f14
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[0:09] <ukscone> which rootfs are you using?
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> arch
[0:09] <ukscone> k
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[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> extracted from the img... hopefuly that works alright
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[0:10] <ukscone> when you finally have a real raspi i'll tell you how to use sb2 and the real raspi instead of qemu -- it's a pig to do initially but great with real hardware
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[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that should be good
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> now to find someone who knows anything about dgles2 and I am set.
[0:12] <ukscone> well don't look at me :)
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> though I doubt such a being exists
[0:13] <shirro> I have a cross compiler and sb2 setup. what was the question?
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, all solved... just had a problem with my ability to read.
[0:15] <shirro> ok. not liking sb2 really. I am moving to a chroot on armv7 as soon as it arrives
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[0:17] <ukscone> shirro: what don't you like about sb2? it's great, i use it 90% of the time now with and without hw only buildroot and aboriginal as my other tools now
[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ...buildroot >=/
[0:19] <Jaseman> im watching something now which is propostorous
[0:19] <shirro> perhaps I just haven't played with it enough. Once I have seen how slow real arm hardware can be I will probably be back
[0:19] <Jaseman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbPaTlE1Lv8
[0:20] <ukscone> just don't sneeze on your buildroot install
[0:20] <ukscone> it'll break :)
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> or you know... don't change any default values.
[0:20] <ukscone> :)
[0:20] <ukscone> and don't add anything either
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> is that what you used to get a basic z2 rootfs?
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[0:23] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: we used lots of things, started with openembedded and then depending on bootloader and stock or not used other things -- i mostly used buildroot and sb1
[0:23] <ukscone> others used buildroot and the openwrt fork of buildroot and crosstools-ng
[0:24] <shirro> Where are the docs for SB2?
[0:24] <ukscone> shirro: er er er use the source luke
[0:24] <ukscone> there are some simple man pages for sb2 and sb2-init and sb2-config but that's it
[0:24] <ukscone> anything weird or fancy you need to workout yourself
[0:25] <ukscone> or guess from maemo docs
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, most people who study the brain and AI seem to think that consciousness is a side-effect of the way the brain works and is impossible with software or electronic hardware.
[0:25] <shirro> ukscone: that isn't really ideal. there is a good docs site up to 1. Then it looks like whoever took it over didn't do documentation.
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, so... no 'conscious machines' any time soon.
[0:25] <Jaseman> i dont think so....
[0:26] <ukscone> yup sb2 had a weird life
[0:26] <Jaseman> some cool stuff will happen in the next 20 years but some of the stuff people are saying is just crazy
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, surely not scientists
[0:26] <Jaseman> IE 'in 10-15 years your best friend might be a computer'
[0:26] <Jaseman> yeah right
[0:26] <ukscone> started then dropped then taken over then abandoned the taken up then droppd,,,,,
[0:27] <Jaseman> mine was in 1981!
[0:27] <piofcube> today, there's many people who's best friend is their PC LOL
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[0:27] <shirro> piofcube: and their gf is their hand
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[0:30] <Jaseman> lol
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[0:34] <synapse> Any chance the web shop will be back online?
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[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[0:35] <synapse> When?
[0:35] <des2> Whenever
[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea, but I am 100% sure there's a chance.
[0:35] <synapse> Anyone here selling?
[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> selling what?
[0:35] <synapse> raspberry pi's
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[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, farnell and RS components.
[0:36] <des2> Yes, cash only, by mail, general delivery.
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> and various scammers on ebay
[0:36] <Jaseman> yeah i noticed amazon have them next day delivery now
[0:36] <Jaseman> (I wish!)
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[0:36] <synapse> Anywhere in the USA selling? heh
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> synapse, newark
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[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/raspberry-pi-model-b-board-only/dp/83T1943
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[0:37] <synapse> damn, $35
[0:38] <des2> Heh when you type Raspberry PI into Amazon arduinos come up.
[0:38] <Jaseman> closest match i suppose
[0:38] <ewan> heh
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd expect the trolololo video =/
[0:38] <synapse> ShiftPlusOne: when can I expect a $25 site to actually have one
[0:39] <ShiftPlusOne> synapse, $25 is mobel a
[0:39] <des2> synapse they haven't even announced when they'll start making the model A
[0:39] <synapse> whats the diff from a high level
[0:39] <Jaseman> the postage is still going to be ??5 as well whichever one you pick
[0:39] <ShiftPlusOne> synapse, check out the faq
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[0:39] <Jaseman> 1 usb port and no network port
[0:39] <Jaseman> pretty much is the difference
[0:40] <synapse> I thought people had bought raspberry pi's already.. OK
[0:40] <synapse> ($25 versions)
[0:40] <Jaseman> i dont think anybody has actually received one yet
[0:40] <synapse> the $25 has no network port?
[0:40] <Vazde> yeap
[0:40] <Jaseman> correct but you can plug a usb network card into it
[0:40] <Jaseman> via a usb hub
[0:40] <Jaseman> to get around that problem
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> synapse, nope. Only a few chosen ones have boards (those working on distros for example) and the people who paid insane amounts of money to get the alpha boards.
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[0:41] <synapse> I see
[0:41] <Jaseman> but that usb network card will cost ??8.95
[0:41] <Jaseman> so by the time you've bought that its pretty much model b price anyway
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[0:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, in the video the guy is talking about conscious machines by 2015-2020. Good luck.
[0:42] <synapse> how are you powering the board?
[0:42] <synapse> with like a radio shack AC->DC adapter?
[0:42] <Jaseman> yeah i know i was laughing several times through that speech shiftplusone
[0:43] <Jaseman> powered usb hub
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, ah ok, I thought you had your hopes up. I actually think consciousness in electronics is not possible, not until quantum computing takes off anyway.... and we're nowhere near that.
[0:44] <Jaseman> my pentium 4 is already concious
[0:44] <shirro> Arthur C Clarke promised us conscious machines and a space programme. But we decided to build iPhones instead
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[0:44] <Jaseman> it just doesnt want to talk to me
[0:44] <Jaseman> because im too inferior
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[0:45] <Jaseman> it has bigger issues to worry about like why am i so hot?
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> 'Futurologist' sounds like a nice profession... you can just make shit up for a living.
[0:46] <Jaseman> yes indeed
[0:46] <Jaseman> i came up with one idea myself.....
[0:46] <Jaseman> you can store 1 hour of video (mpeg quality) on 700mb
[0:47] <Jaseman> so lets just call it a gig an hour
[0:47] <Jaseman> and you're probably sleeping for say 8 hours
[0:47] <Jaseman> so thats 16 waking hours to record
[0:47] <Jaseman> so 16 gig a day
[0:48] <Jaseman> 5.8tb a year
[0:48] <Jaseman> so hard drives will be able to handle that soon
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[0:48] <Jaseman> so it will soon be feasible to buy a cheap camera to film your life
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[0:49] <Jaseman> and have speech recognition to translate it to text file
[0:49] <Jaseman> all your conversations
[0:49] <Jaseman> then have some kind of search facility bolted onto that
[0:49] <Jaseman> so that after you die, people can ask you stuff
[0:50] <Jaseman> and if its a general common question they will get the answer you would have given
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> 16 hours a day!!!
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I misread - no n.
[0:50] <Jaseman> maybe it can also analyse trends, likes dislikes and guess what sort of future products you may have liked
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> and then companies can put approporiate advertisements on the screen in your coffin?
[0:51] <Jaseman> anyway you should be able to buy a camcorder with a 100 year memory 'running time'
[0:51] <Jaseman> very cheaply in a few years
[0:51] <Jaseman> lol no....
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> Also - for a free copy of Angry Birds - they get the right to tweet and comment from your account post-death.
[0:52] <Jaseman> but your grandchildren can do what superman did with durell
[0:52] <Jaseman> talk to your dead grandparents
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[0:52] <[deXter]> who the heck is durel?
[0:52] <Jaseman> that kind of thing
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[0:52] <Jaseman> supermans dad
[0:53] <[deXter]> I thought that was Jor-el ?
[0:53] <Jaseman> yeah whatever
[0:53] <[deXter]> :P
[0:53] <Jaseman> i guess it will be built into your smart phone that camera anyway
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, considering your things depends on text recognition, you can do that already and you don't need insane amount of video stored for it. Also, considering the amount of information google already has on your likes and dislikes and the state of AI, everything you've said is already doable.... just pointless.
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[0:54] <Jaseman> but if its doable very very cheaply
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[0:54] <Jaseman> some crazy people like me might do it
[0:54] <Jaseman> plus having the video is just a bonus
[0:55] <Jaseman> when you want to recall the highlights of your life
[0:55] <Jaseman> there may even be motion detection
[0:55] <Jaseman> so that it can work out which are the highlights
[0:55] <Jaseman> it might recognize wedding vows or something
[0:56] <Jaseman> and add a little marker.... 'wedding'
[0:56] <Jaseman> and build a sort of video resume for your next job interview
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[0:57] <Jaseman> sort of... look at all the amazing stuff i've done
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[0:58] <Jaseman> imagine if you could post that video of your life on facebook
[0:58] <Jaseman> most of us would spend our life watching other peoples lives....
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, you just reminded me of this http://clientcopia.com/quotes.php?id=945
[0:58] <shirro> And the rights to your memories will belong to the mpeg-la who will license them to Disney who will make sure copyright is extended so they can use your lifetime of experience to make crappy anthropomorphic musicals until the sun explodes.
[0:59] <Jaseman> yeah Pixar presents 'Jaseman' the animated movie
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think our sun will explode anyway, so Disney is safe
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course Earth would have been consumed by the sun long before than anyway
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[1:01] <Jaseman> we are all part of the sun in fact
[1:02] <Jaseman> all the matter that you are originated there
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> not this sun
[1:02] <Jaseman> lol
[1:02] <Jaseman> which sun are you from?
[1:03] <Jaseman> once we can remove our mind from our bodies....
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't the heavy elements only get released after the sun explodes?
[1:03] <Jaseman> the physical requirements will change
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> so we would've come from a variety of other suns, afaik
[1:03] <Jaseman> we wont need oxygen for a start
[1:03] <Jaseman> and we wont be affected by g forces
[1:04] <Jaseman> and lifespan will be limitless
[1:04] <Jaseman> so we can just travel off into space
[1:04] <Jaseman> on a microsd card
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> well... we're still on a collision course with andromeda... and the whole universe is expanding at an increasing rate... so no matter what you do, everything will fade to nothing eventually....
[1:05] <Jaseman> it felt like that happened to me already today
[1:05] <Jaseman> i guess you'll be able to travel by radio waves anyway
[1:06] <Jaseman> once you have become a data stream
[1:06] <Jaseman> you can be broadcast between space stations
[1:06] <Jaseman> and assume control of a robotic body once you get where you are going
[1:07] <esotera> and by then we might even have our raspberry pis
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> attention all planets of the solar federation
[1:07] <Jaseman> lol yeah
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> attention all planets of the solar federation
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> we have assumed control
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> we have assumed control
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> we have assumed control.
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> RITRedbeard, rush reference?
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> ...our first stop is in bogota, to check columbian fields
[1:07] <Jaseman> its been renamed to the raspberry federation now
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> the natives smile, and pass along, a sample of their yield :)
[1:08] <Jaseman> the scary part is when you can change your own mood and character
[1:09] <Jaseman> and make character changes to yourself
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, they do that now with electric shocks
[1:09] <Jaseman> youll be able to get a firmware update for your brain to give you a sense of humour
[1:10] <RITRedbeard> Just think about what my life might have been
[1:10] <RITRedbeard> in a world with raspberry pi that I have seen!
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[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Jaseman, but to come back to reality, yeah, none of that is going to happen. We'll all just die out without leaving any trace of our existance. =)
[1:10] <RITRedbeard> I don't think I can carry on this cold and empty life! Oh no!
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[1:10] <RITRedbeard> A to G
[1:11] <Jaseman> well if that happens - who cares?
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> my lifeblood spills ooooooooovvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> Attention all planets of the solar federation
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> Attention all planets of the solar federation
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> We have assumed control
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> We have assumed control
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> We have assumed control.
[1:11] <Jaseman> may as well have a go at achieving god-like abilities through technology
[1:11] <RITRedbeard> \m/
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[1:12] <Jaseman> i read one article about having nano bots in your blood
[1:12] <RITRedbeard> ShiftPlusOne, this is correct.
[1:12] <Jaseman> that can release oxygen into the blood stream
[1:12] <RITRedbeard> blood steam? what about MAKO stream?
[1:12] <RITRedbeard> huh?
[1:12] <Jaseman> and with it you could hold your breath for hours
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[1:13] <Jaseman> not sure how the blood would keep pumping mind you
[1:13] <Jaseman> artificial pump i guess
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Why do you need to breathe for the blood to be pumped?
[1:14] <shirro> Upload a monkey and it will still think like a monkey. Don't need no stinking godlike monkeys.
[1:14] <Jaseman> i dunno the science of it - its just something i read
[1:15] <hamitron> if nano bots did that throughout the blood, it wouldn't need to be pumped?
[1:15] <Jaseman> perhaps not
[1:15] <hamitron> although, I dunno why no breathing would stop the heart still
[1:15] <hamitron> :)
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[1:16] <hamitron> but I'm not a doctor
[1:16] <hamitron> ;)
[1:16] <Jaseman> and with exo-skeleton bionic muscle implants as well....
[1:16] <shirro> We have enough super-rich trying to hijack democracy. When they can live forever and check their portfolios by thinking we are all screwed.
[1:16] <Jaseman> youll be able to carry huge bags of rice very easily
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Hell, why would your blood need to be pumped if the oxygen is evenly distributed in the first place.
[1:17] <Jaseman> yeah and later on you wont even need any blood
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> Blood also transports glucose
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> And removes waste
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah
[1:17] <Jaseman> there wont be any waste
[1:18] <hamitron> so why would the heart stop anyway?
[1:18] <Jaseman> so that you can be really quiet when playing hide and seek
[1:19] <RITRedbeard> so you can hide from heartbeat sensors
[1:19] <RITRedbeard> so you can defeat the facist government apparatus
[1:19] <Jaseman> yes and what with superhuman hearing
[1:19] <Jaseman> youll need that
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, considering all the other flaws in this 'theory', I am surprised you've latched to the heartbeat thing.
[1:19] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, well yeh.... but just interested in what would stop the heart
[1:19] <hamitron> :)
[1:19] <Jaseman> plus the fact we will live in augmented reality
[1:20] <Jaseman> so you can hide behind objects that are not even there
[1:20] <Jaseman> and you wont need plastic surgery because you can superimpose a face onto yours
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[1:21] <Jaseman> and thats how people will see you
[1:21] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway, I am going to go listen to 2112
[1:21] <Jaseman> through their contactg lenses
[1:21] <hamitron> tbh, I think we shall wipe ourselves out before we get this advanced
[1:21] <hamitron> ;)
[1:21] <shirro> Jaseman: If you own the bulk of the worlds dwindling resources. Otherwise you can take your chances sifting through the garbage for food.
[1:22] <Jaseman> yeah once the economy crashes
[1:22] <Jaseman> society will descend into barbaric fighting over the remaining resources
[1:22] <Jaseman> mad-max style
[1:23] <Jaseman> right im off to bed
[1:23] <Jaseman> see ya'll
[1:23] <hamitron> sleep well ;)
[1:23] <Jaseman> gnight
[1:23] <hamitron> on the note of "we are all going to die" :|
[1:23] <Jaseman> lol
[1:24] <Jaseman> sounds abuot right
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[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> not we as individuals, but us as living, concious beings. =)
[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> damn
[1:24] <shirro> hamitron: Yes we are. The question is will we receive our Raspberry Pi before or after.
[1:24] <Syliss> oi oi
[1:24] <hamitron> well, I haven't ordered one
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[1:25] <hamitron> so i will die before :/
[1:25] <shirro> hamitron: sadly that seems quite likely. It was nice knowing you.
[1:25] <hamitron> ty :) *bows*
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[1:29] <Syliss> lulz
[1:29] <Syliss> i wonder when someone will get one
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[1:33] <esotera> probably within the next few months
[1:33] <esotera> or not at all
[1:33] <shirro> time is an illusion for a device without a RTC
[1:34] <Henchman21> harhar
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[1:35] <shirro> In a factory deep in China a device awakes. Is it time to go yet? No still 1970.
[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ping?
[1:36] <ukscone> pong
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, if you run sb2 -Re <some app> is everything emulated (all the loaded libraries and everything)?
[1:37] <Syliss> months is not good
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> It seems a bit stupidly fast
[1:38] <ukscone> as far as it will without using system emulation yes
[1:38] <ukscone> i.e. disolay should be ok sound YMMV
[1:38] <ukscone> gpio and stuff nope
[1:39] <ukscone> not until we can add the soc as a machine type which will be probably nver
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[1:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant that it's not actually taking any x86 code from your host system to speed things up or anything like that?
[1:40] <ukscone> nope -eR is emulate and use the rootfs for all apps
[1:40] <ukscone> and libs etc
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually I've just played prince of persia through dosbox launches with sb2 and yeah it's slow. Initially I thought it worked too fast to be emulated.
[1:41] <ukscone> sort of like a chroot
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> *launched
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[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> works great with the arch rootfs though
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> wonder if glxgears will work
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> holy crap, it does
[1:45] <ukscone> heh
[1:45] <ukscone> what fps?
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[1:45] <RITRedbeard> 5
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> 30
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> vsync / 2
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find anything interesting in the repos to try out
[1:52] <ukscone> wesnoth?
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> not in there
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[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> a bit lacking in the default repos
[1:53] <ukscone> that's coz arch sucks :)
[1:53] <RITRedbeard> arch sucks salty ballsssssssss
[1:53] <RITRedbeard> (sucks em)
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> it really doesn't
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[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, is there a way to make sure that random things don't get written into your $HOME dir other than making a seperate user?
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[2:04] <hamitron> make it read only? ;)
[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> .. I'd... still like to use it outside of sb2
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[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm flash seems to be available... that's interesting
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[2:41] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: what you mean? everything is seelf containd except for th pathenvvar
[2:42] <ukscone> have the dev dir for sb2/qemu/rootfs
[2:43] <ukscone> and anotheer dir to build stuff in and what;s that going to hurt? delete the dir and it's gone
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not self contained because after running dosbox, I have .dosbox in my home directory
[2:44] <ukscone> well that is dosbox's fault not sb2's
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> well sb2's fault is that it's allowing files to be written in the host's ~/ dir
[2:45] <ukscone> you are misusing sb2 :) not supposed to be used like that although it works
[2:45] <hamitron> chroot dosbox?
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[2:46] <ukscone> try using the -R option
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I am
[2:46] <hamitron> or pass option to change settings files?
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's not a big deal, it's more of an observation than an actual 'problem'
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I am surprised that the x11 and opengl programs work at all
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[2:49] <mkopack> Whew. glad that's done! DONE WITH CLASSES!
[2:49] <mkopack> (for the qtr at least...)
[2:50] <mkopack> Final looked really brutal, but after I got into the swing of it it wasn't' TOO bad??? 200 its total, I answered 175 points worth, and feel pretty confident with at least 150 points of it. I only needed like 100/200 to get an A+ in the class.
[2:51] <mkopack> But, god, I hate splines!
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[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> once you know how to reticulate them it's easy.
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[2:56] <mkopack> eh, just all the different Curve representations we learned turned into a total jumble, and he taught it very mathematically, which doesn't usually sit well with me. I need to see the calculations worked out, not just a formula, to really get how something works
[2:57] <mkopack> But there was plenty of other stuff on there. So I think I did ok...
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, universities don't teach how things work in general. They just teach how to give an answer (whether or not you understand it)
[2:58] <mkopack> I had 3 hours to do it. I had pretty much finished answering what I could after the first 1.5 hours, so I went ahead and typed it all up and drew out all the diagrams in powerpoint just to make it readable (I have TERRIBLE handwriting???) Still had like 30 minutes left after that
[2:58] <mkopack> So the nice thing is that now I have all day tomorrow off to do whatever I want!
[2:58] <mkopack> (probably spend most of it trying to edit all the damn TV shows I've recorded over the last 3 months....
[2:59] <mkopack> And then mow the lawn (assuming it doesn't rain)
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[3:00] <mkopack> so, yeah, I love how Eben is doing that "How to set up your Rpi video with Element 14" on April 4??? Who knows if any of us will even HAVE Pi's by then!
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> eben the ponzi scheme master
[3:00] <mkopack> IF my ship date isn't until the 30th, then the earliest it could POSSIBLY get here is the 2nd, and more likely the 4th-6th time frame???.
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[3:01] <mkopack> oh, BTW, if anyone is interested in Arduino stuff: O'Reilly Arduino books on sale, electronic versions: http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/netduino-package.do?imm_mid=081b42&cmp=em-orm-books-videos-netduino-package-direct-long
[3:02] <mkopack> I just bought the "Making Things See" book, for $15
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[3:11] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
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[3:12] <mkopack> yes???
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> what's your wife's name?
[3:12] <mkopack> Right hand???. lol
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> Keep it civil, motherfucker.
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> There might be some goddamn kids in here, dick.
[3:13] <mkopack> Who the F has time to date when you work full time, are in Grad school, and spend 2 hours a day in bumper to bumper traffic?
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[3:13] <mkopack> I'm lucky I have to eat most days
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> those who can't work in industry get graduate degrees!
[3:14] <jamesglanville> I'm getting to the point of considering grad degrees, I don't think I can, so to industry I (try) and go :P
[3:14] <mkopack> um, I DO work in industry??? it's just that in my group, unless you have a Master's or better, it's nearly impossible to get promoted above the level I'm already at
[3:14] <mkopack> And work's paying for it, so I'd be stupid not to do it
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[3:14] <mkopack> but it's a TON of work
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> I
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> I'm a minority in my field.
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> Who the hell wants to write a thesis with Patil, Patil, and Patil anyway?
[3:15] <mkopack> Yeah, they don't let too many special ed types in huh? (lol, kidding!)
[3:15] <RITRedbeard> :O
[3:16] <mkopack> Well, thankfully, where I work we don't really have many/any of those types??? and I don't have to do a thesis for my Master's??? Just take 2 more classes instead
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[3:16] <RITRedbeard> no seriously, why so many Indians?
[3:16] <RITRedbeard> ????????????????????/
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[3:16] <mkopack> Because most of American kids are idiots??? and go into Business instead of Engineering or Science
[3:17] <mkopack> To them it's a way to advance. To American kids, it's stupid and boring and doesn't get you laid
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> Like hell it doesn't
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[3:18] <jamesglanville> *agreed*
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> I'm taking upper level liberal arts classes and they are the most mundane things ever.
[3:18] <mkopack> I know that, but that's the perception
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> Thomas Kuhn is a hack.
[3:18] <mkopack> yeah, I HATED the English lit BS classes...
[3:18] <RITRedbeard> His "opus" is a pendantic exercise in contradictory metaphysics.
[3:18] <mkopack> And the history classes were a joke??? I killed those
[3:19] <mkopack> Calculus - that kicked my ass
[3:19] <mkopack> But I struggled through...
[3:19] <mkopack> most who couldn't became Management or STAC majors...
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> Someone who majors in this stuff could probably do it while working five part time jobs.
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> It is that easy.
[3:20] <mkopack> yeah, exactly??? so they get to party and screw around, while the engineering and science students are killing themselves...
[3:20] <RITRedbeard> Shame they all end up as pedagogs in the end.
[3:20] <mkopack> And let's face it, to a lot of kids, college is supposed to be a big party, right?
[3:20] <RITRedbeard> Those who can't -- teach.
[3:20] <mkopack> yeah...
[3:20] <RITRedbeard> That's retarded.
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> You know how much drugs I could buy @ $47k yearly?
[3:21] <mkopack> vs the $90K+ you'd make as an engineer
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> I meant for tuition.
[3:21] <mkopack> (of course, there are days as an engineer you NEED them!)
[3:21] <mkopack> hehe yeah
[3:21] <mkopack> exactly
[3:21] <RITRedbeard> what a waste
[3:22] <mkopack> And we've gutted the jobs for techies pretty badly over the last 30 years, so kids don't see a future in it. Instead they all think they're going to play in the NFL/NBA???.
[3:22] <mkopack> Or be a star in Hollywood.
[3:22] <mkopack> Stupid American Idol crap
[3:23] <mkopack> YEt those same people are the ones that jump up and down and insist "We're #1, We're #1" yet a) we're NOT, not by a long shot, other than #1 in debt, #16 in math test scores, etc. and 2) THEY certainly aren't helping contribute to us trying to become #1 again
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[3:24] <mkopack> China graduates more Engineering majors EVERY YEAR than the US graduates in all majors COMBINED
[3:25] <RITRedbeard> the problem is the metrics themselves
[3:25] <RITRedbeard> so much stock is placed on it
[3:26] <RITRedbeard> contemporary western thought is extremely negative, I find it to be collapsive on itself.
[3:28] <mkopack> Stop idolizing rock stars, movie stars and athletes??? They are paid WAY too much just to entertain us??? Idolize the einsteins and the Edison's and those types??? The Doctors and Nurses and Firemen??? etc.
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> Firemen.
[3:28] <des2> If they have so many engineers why can't they get a $35 shipped ?
[3:28] <des2> ^computer
[3:28] <RITRedbeard> lol
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[3:29] <mkopack> des: I didn't say they graduated GOOD engineers ;)
[3:29] <RITRedbeard> because eben is the student of bernie madoff
[3:29] <RITRedbeard> it all makes sense now
[3:30] <des2> If he was Madoff he'd have taken the 100,000+ orders on the RPF website.
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[3:30] <des2> And by now'd have 3.5 Million or so...
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[3:41] <RITRedbeard> he did
[3:42] <RITRedbeard> he did des2
[3:42] <RITRedbeard> you just didn't hear about it
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[3:47] <des2> Nah. RS and Farnell got the $$$.
[3:47] <RITRedbeard> they're shell companies
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[3:49] <RITRedbeard> WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN
[3:49] <RITRedbeard> NO NO
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[4:07] <SpeedEvil> Stupid question - I assume the Pi can't drive a DVI dual-link ?
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[4:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if anyone would know, it'd be you.
[4:09] <des2> PI doesn't have DVI
[4:12] <des2> The HDMi that actually supports Dual Link DVI equivalent is a sort of phantom product
[4:12] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
[4:12] <des2> ype A
[4:12] <des2> Nineteen pins, with bandwidth to support all SDTV, EDTV and HDTV modes.[4] The plug (male) connector outside dimensions are 13.9 mm ? 4.45 mm and the receptacle (female) connector inside dimensions are 14 mm ? 4.55 mm.[54] Type A is electrically compatible with single-link DVI-D.[55
[4:13] <des2> Type B
[4:13] <des2> This connector (21.2 mm ? 4.45 mm) has 29 pins and can carry double the video bandwidth of type A, for use with very high-resolution future displays such as WQUXGA (3,840?2,400).[55][56] Type B is electrically compatible with dual-link DVI-D, but has not yet been used in any products.[55][57]
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[4:15] <des2> Good luck even finding a picture of what a Type B HDMI connector looks like.
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[4:19] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> K - thanks
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> I had doubts.
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> I'm being annoyed that to upgrade my monitor - I'm looking at a second hand 2560*1600 display - I need to get a new computer
[4:20] <des2> Not just a new video card ?
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> Laptop.
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> VGA out only.
[4:21] <des2> oh
[4:21] <RITRedbeard> no
[4:21] <RITRedbeard> displayport
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> yes
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> No displayport, DVI, HDMI, or even EGA.
[4:22] <RITRedbeard> ibm outlet
[4:22] <RITRedbeard> T61p
[4:22] <RITRedbeard> fixed
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[4:25] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[4:26] <SpeedEvil> Do you have one - and if so - what sort of wattage is it?
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> Err - also - that seems VGA out only.
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> external card
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> fixed
[4:27] <RITRedbeard> FIXED
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> You mean one in an expresscard slot?
[4:27] <des2> Duct tape, WD40 - FIXED!
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[4:27] <RITRedbeard> yes
[4:28] <SpeedEvil> That sounds expensive.
[4:28] <RITRedbeard> newegg
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> g! diy DIdock?
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> or not
[4:29] <RITRedbeard> http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-egpu-experiences.html
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> \m/
[4:30] <des2> Does it involve a soldering iron ?
[4:30] <RITRedbeard> not usually
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[4:32] <RITRedbeard> I guess it involves an external power supply, though
[4:32] <RITRedbeard> :(
[4:32] <SpeedEvil> In principle, that's not scary.
[4:32] <SpeedEvil> But - I'm on a low income - and the monitor is at the bare limit of what I can sort-of-justify.
[4:32] <SpeedEvil> Once I start adding stuff - meh.
[4:33] <RITRedbeard> buy Apple
[4:33] <RITRedbeard> revoke mancard
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> Umm - apple stuff would actually cost way, way more
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> I know
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> thus revoke mancard
[4:34] <des2> How much is the 2560x1600 display ?
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> That doesn't actually get me more money
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> go for a bigger display
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> IBM T221
[4:35] <SpeedEvil> 450 quid or so.
[4:35] <RITRedbeard> squid is not a form of currency
[4:35] <SpeedEvil> $780 or so
[4:35] <des2> I'm sure somewhere in the world someone used squid as currency.
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors
[4:36] <des2> A giant squid could represent your life savings.
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> no wonder we can't get any pis
[4:36] <RITRedbeard> eben keeps trying to pay the chinese in squids
[4:37] <SpeedEvil> That's gor much less vertical height than my current 20.1" 4:2
[4:37] <SpeedEvil> 3
[4:37] <des2> Holy $%$#
[4:37] <des2> 3840x2400 in 22"
[4:37] <des2> I want one.
[4:37] <RITRedbeard> ebay typically has em
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> They sound comedically difficult to drive
[4:38] <RITRedbeard> nah
[4:38] <RITRedbeard> easy as pi
[4:39] <des2> hmm they only do 41-48 HZ
[4:44] <RITRedbeard> WHUXGA (7680?4800)
[4:44] <RITRedbeard> go big or go home
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[4:45] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - this is what I can actually afford - hence silly solutions....
[4:46] <RITRedbeard> rob Eben for 13 million
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[5:16] <RITRedbeard> dance magic dance
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[5:21] <RITRedbeard> drunk with the magic of the magic dance
[5:21] <SpeedEvil> Mushrooms?
[5:21] <RITRedbeard> david bowie
[5:24] <[Si]> you need dual-link DVI-D or Display Port to drive 2560x1600
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[5:24] <[Si]> vga can't supply enough bandwidth.
[5:24] <RITRedbeard> dance magic dance
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[5:27] <SpeedEvil> [Si]: yes - I know
[5:28] <RITRedbeard> dance magic dance SpeedEvil!
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[5:30] <shirro> Starting to get a real sense of how slow the RPi is going to be
[5:30] <RITRedbeard> shirro, how do you mean?
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Indeed.
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> PII/300ish
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> (genreally)
[5:31] <shirro> 1Ghz Cortex A8 just arrive at my door. It is usable but ...
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[5:32] <[Si]> is there a way to emulate the vidoecore on qemm or similar to get a real speed version running on a pc?
[5:32] <shirro> Quite nice in the console. X feels like the bloated old rubbish it really is.
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[5:32] <shirro> [Si]: no
[5:33] * shirro wonders how many times a day Wayland would crash
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[5:36] <shirro> I forgot that scrolling things used to lag. It has been awhile.
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[5:40] <shirro> I am enjoying clicking between the browser and xchat and watching the windows redraw. It is so 90s.
[5:42] <RITRedbeard> xchat is for NEWBS AND SCRUBS
[5:42] <[Si]> :O
[5:43] <shirro> RITRedbeard: yeah, well some people did IRC back in the early 90s and are quite comfortable grabbing any old irc client for some testing
[5:44] <RITRedbeard> xwindowing is for NEWBS AND SCRUBS
[5:45] <shirro> My other computer is running Colloquy. I don't care.
[5:45] <RITRedbeard> shirro, IRSSI
[5:45] <RITRedbeard> DO YOU FUCKING KNOW IT?
[5:46] <SpeedEvil> Pidgin++
[5:46] <[Si]> shirro that should improve if they can get the videocore to accelerate X right?
[5:46] <[Si]> irssi is pretty nice :)
[5:47] <shirro> [Si]: yes. Although X only goes so far with acceleration. It has lots of silly dated primitives nobody cares about anymore. Would be nicer to have something modern like Wayland
[5:52] * [Si] googles Wayland.
[5:54] <shirro> [Si]: I think it is a long way from being useful
[5:54] <[Si]> looks pretty funky though :)
[5:57] <shirro> wow html5 webm video in FF is like a slide show
[5:58] <shirro> very happy they are going to support h264
[6:02] <SpeedEvil> 'support h264' may not mean 'h264 magically works'
[6:04] <shirro> well, they will hand it off to the operating system if the operating system provides it. And the Pi will
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[6:33] <weuxel> Good morning good Sirs and Ladys. There is one question, i would like to ask. Where is my PI?
[6:33] <DaQatz> China
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> weuxel: Unfortunately, due to badly drawn legislation - the new hot pie tax will apply to the Raspberry Pi - so VAT is now 40%, not 20.
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[6:42] <shirro> Trying to think which decade I last used a null modem cable.
[6:45] <shirro> This is embarrassing. How can I not have a serial cable.
[6:57] <hotwings> not sure if anyone mentioned this in here yet but: http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/modmypi-raspberry-pi-case-offers-5-percent-kickback-to-foundation-20120321/
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[7:21] <des2> A usb cable is a serial cable...
[7:25] <shirro> des2: yeah, thanks for that. if only i could watch a kernel boot over usb
[7:25] <des2> That's a nice looking case.
[7:27] <des2> One of the nice things about DB9/15/25 female connectors is that you can just push bare wires into them.
[7:28] <shirro> I live in a very small country town. I went into the "electronics" store and up the back they had 5 null modem cables covered in dust. All 25 pin. Must have been there since the 80s
[7:29] <des2> Did they still want full price for them ?
[7:30] <hotwings> probably lol
[7:30] <shirro> Didn't ask. Decided to come home and hope I can find a db9 null modem gender changer somewhere to plug into my usb to rs232 adapter
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[7:31] <des2> RS232 is too newfangled. I'm sticking with current loop.
[7:31] <shirro> Sucks living in a small town sometimes. Bare wires ...hmm.
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[7:34] <shirro> They had t-pieces, terminators and what looked like ethernet media convertor thingies. I should have looked for a laplink cable.
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[7:38] <shirro> I am thinking of reverse shoplifting. Put some old network parts in aged plastic bags, writing a price on them and dumping them there.
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[7:39] <des2> lol
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[7:41] <des2> Don't price them too high - in case you realize you need them and have to buy them back.
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[8:27] <shirro> Just back from the shed. Every time I found a db9 and traced it through the rats nest of cables there was a palm dock at the other end. Three bloody palm docks and still no null modem. On the plus side I found a db9-db25 adapter so if I had another and the electronics shop wasn't shut. Damn it. Why can't I config routers for a living. I would have dozens of these things.
[8:28] <Gallomimia> null modem?
[8:28] <Gallomimia> that's 2 db-9 ports on a wire
[8:28] <Gallomimia> patch, as they call in other networking systems
[8:28] <Gallomimia> go find 2 ports and wire them together with 18ga wire.
[8:29] <shirro> Gallomimia:
[8:30] <shirro> Gallomimia: yes the soldering iron is coming out of retirement very soon
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[8:55] <jzu> shirro: I still use a Palm Vx (and yes, you can call me an old fart)
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[8:56] <jzu> serial/usb connector ftw
[8:56] <haltdef> I have a palm m105 somewhere
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[8:56] <haltdef> got it for my 9th birthday
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[9:10] <Mowee> Morning
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[9:17] <shirro> yeah, found the usb serial. all working. panic for nothing. was cool to find all the old cables though.
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[9:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
[9:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:44] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton on Fri Mar 23 07:50:00 2012. Temp 9??C. Condition: Haze, Humidity: 93%, Later 15??C - 7??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[9:49] <drazyl> morning
[9:49] <drazyl> !w moon
[9:49] <PiBot> Not found.
[9:55] <Space_Man> !w
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[11:29] <SBeans> !w London
[11:29] <PiBot> SBeans: in London on Fri Mar 23 09:50:00 2012. Temp 10??C. Condition: Haze, Humidity: 87%, Later 20??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:30] <SBeans> thats a warm lovely day
[11:31] <philh> 'tis
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[11:37] <techman2> evening all
[11:38] <drazyl> morning
[11:39] <techman2> how's life treating you?
[11:39] <drazyl> !w dakhar
[11:39] <PiBot> Not found.
[11:39] <drazyl> not bad ta, busy doing "other stuff" whilst I wait
[11:39] <drazyl> you?
[11:40] <techman2> just got home from work
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[11:40] <techman2> glad to be back in linux land.
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[11:40] <techman2> is this "other stuff" computing related?
[11:40] <drazyl> ahh, haven't had to use a windows desktop at work for, oooh, 14 years I think
[11:41] <techman2> lucky man.
[11:41] <drazyl> yeah, restarted another unrelated project (altho relevant to work)
[11:41] <techman2> it's all I do.
[11:41] <techman2> with the odd OS X encounter here and there.
[11:42] <techman2> oh and iOS too I suppose.
[11:42] <techman2> bosses love ipads.
[11:42] <drazyl> lucky to have a boss with a relaxed attitude originally, and now in a position to determine what I need for my job
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[11:42] <drazyl> (few changes of job inbetween as well)
[11:42] <techman2> ah
[11:43] <techman2> I'm starting to think about a job change
[11:43] <techman2> starting to get rather bored.
[11:43] <drazyl> likewise for my guys, tell them they can use whatever makes them most efficient
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[11:44] <drazyl> generally lead to them using a version of linux :)
[11:44] <techman2> hehe
[11:44] <techman2> cool
[11:44] <techman2> so what do you do for a living?
[11:44] <drazyl> hosting side of a digital media company
[11:45] <techman2> ah
[11:45] <techman2> enjoy it?
[11:45] <drazyl> yeah
[11:45] <drazyl> get to play with hardware, write stuff for system integration etc. whats not to like?
[11:46] <techman2> sounds good
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[11:46] <drazyl> current project is writing a new smtp server
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[11:46] <techman2> why are you writing your own?
[11:47] <drazyl> anti-spam stuff, only so far I can integrate off the shelf stuff the way I want
[11:47] <techman2> ok
[11:47] * techman2 looks at modmypi.com
[11:48] <drazyl> plus its fun
[11:48] <techman2> so what language are you writing it in?
[11:48] <drazyl> c++
[11:48] <techman2> ah
[11:48] <techman2> got much of it done?
[11:48] <drazyl> gives me an excuse to remove some of the rust
[11:48] <drazyl> the basics, yup
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[11:49] <drazyl> it'll receive and store email at the mo, but no intelligence about checking recipients (beyond the domain) or any actual scanning or forwarding yet
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[11:50] <drazyl> I'm considering adding a pop3 server to it
[11:50] <drazyl> not sure if being able to access the quarantine via pop3 is really that useful, but it might be
[11:51] <techman2> hmm
[11:51] <techman2> how are you planning on working with it? web interface?
[11:52] <drazyl> so whats the windows job?
[11:52] <techman2> I'm just in small business IT
[11:52] <techman2> SBS boxes, desktops etc.
[11:52] <techman2> nothing exciting.
[11:52] <drazyl> yup, I have an existing system with a web interface, plan is to update that to use ajax to be more efficient etc
[11:53] <techman2> cool
[11:56] <techman2> what's your plan for the pi then?
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[12:52] <techman2> tis quiet in here.
[12:53] <Hourd> too quiet
[12:53] <urs> Winter is coming.
[12:54] <techman2> heh
[12:54] <techman2> yes it is thankfully.
[12:54] <techman2> got sick of summer
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[12:56] <techman2> time for food me thinks
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[13:08] <Hourd> its just warming up here :) been nice today
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[13:08] <techman2> it's starting to cool down here
[13:08] <techman2> been great
[13:08] <techman2> 40C+ weather sucks.
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[13:10] <IT_Sean> Good morning
[13:11] <drazyl> afternoon
[13:11] <techman2> evening.
[13:12] <IT_Sean>
[13:13] <IT_Sean> Poop. I forgot my iPad charger at home. :/
[13:15] <techman2> doh.
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[13:19] <techman2> you use an ipad for work?
[13:20] <IT_Sean> Well... i use an iPad AT work. I don't use it FOR work, exactly. :p
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[13:21] <IT_Sean> Although, i can issue trouble tickets from it and such, so...
[13:21] <techman2> hehe
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[13:21] <IT_Sean> i suppose i could use it FOR work, if i had to.
[13:21] <techman2> I kind of want one for rebooting servers from bed.
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[13:24] <Hourd> i use my samsumg galaxy tab 10.1 for work
[13:27] <IT_Sean> I use my iPad for work sometimes. Usually when i'm on the road.
[13:27] <IT_Sean> I can issue TTs from it, citrix into the office with it, use skype, answer emails, and handle our company tech support chat from it.
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[13:32] <Hourd> i dont have a car so i walk to work
[13:32] <Hourd> yey >.<
[13:32] <IT_Sean> bummer
[13:32] <IT_Sean> It would take me a REALLY long time to walk to work
[13:34] <drazyl> yeah, not sure I'd want to walk, its about 20 miles
[13:35] <IT_Sean> 24 miles, for me.
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[13:35] <Thorn_> that's only a 2 hour walk
[13:35] <Thorn_> buy a pushbike
[13:35] <drazyl> I think 12 mph is considered running not walking for a start
[13:36] <IT_Sean> SO, it would take me 4 times as long to get to work as it does to drive? no thanks.
[13:36] <Thorn_> and how much traffic between you and walk do you have to slow down for?
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[13:36] <techman2> it's 40km for me to get to work. Then I have to drive around to sites before heading home again
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[13:36] <Thorn_> between you and work*
[13:36] <IT_Sean> it's a 30 minute drive, then i spent the day in a windowless, cold office.
[13:36] <techman2> I've had days where I have done in excess of 300kms just going to local jobs
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[13:39] <techman2> I'd prefer to work in the one place.
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[13:40] <IT_Sean> I had a job like that, before this one.
[13:41] <IT_Sean> Didn't much care for it.
[13:41] <techman2> no I am getting sick of driving
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[13:42] <techman2> got my car brand new in Sep 2010. It has 43,000kms on it now.
[13:42] <IT_Sean> You drive your own car for work?
[13:42] <IT_Sean> Ick.
[13:42] <techman2> nope
[13:42] <IT_Sean> What sort of car is it?
[13:42] <techman2> company car.
[13:42] <IT_Sean> ahh
[13:42] <techman2> Hyundai Getz
[13:42] <techman2> nothing exciting
[13:42] <Kolin> it would take me like 5 years to do that many miles
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[13:43] <techman2> equates to a bit under 27,000 mi.
[13:43] <Kolin> ahhh km
[13:43] <techman2> yep.
[13:44] <IT_Sean> I used to install & service CCTV cameras & recording equipment.
[13:44] <IT_Sean> Lots of driving from job to job
[13:44] <techman2> yeah
[13:44] <convolution> news about how to get the raspberry pi
[13:45] <Hourd> pray
[13:47] <IT_Sean> Company had a fleet of service vans. I usually drove a Ford E350 w/ a bucket lift on top, or one of the two Merc Sprinters (one NCV, nad once T1N)
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[14:30] <svenstaro> can somebody please explain to me why I need a gertboard to drive motors and receive sensors?
[14:31] <svenstaro> in fact, doesnt the rpi have GPIO ports of its own?
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[14:31] <svenstaro> and can't it also do i2c?
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[14:36] <drazyl> svenstaro I don't think you need one, but it just breaks out some of the interfacing and gives you more options, plus some additional interface protection etc
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[14:43] <svenstaro> drazyl: can you explain please?
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[14:46] <oldtopman> woo!
[14:46] <oldtopman> Still looks like I'm in batch 2!
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[15:09] <des2> 2nd batch ? So that's like never + 2 weeks then ?...
[15:09] <drazyl> no, no, it's 2^(never+1)
[15:12] <des2> The Gertboard is useful. It is a $50 board that turns a $35 RPi into a $20 Arduino.
[15:13] <svenstaro> was that sarcasm?
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[15:14] <Hourd> lawl
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[15:16] <des2> Yes, the RPi with the Gertboard would be a much faster Arduino.
[15:16] <drazyl> I am having difficulty getting the pi to run at anything more than 0mhz at the moment
[15:17] <mjr> drazyl, is the power draw at least impressively low?
[15:17] <des2> We warned you not to buy those $2 Chinese USB chargers....
[15:17] <drazyl> mjr - I think the power management is awesome, doesn't seem to draw anything
[15:18] <des2> I think you're confusing the RPi with the Ti MSP 430 which can be powered from grapes.
[15:23] <des2> An excellent $4.35 toy to add to your Newark RPI order: http://www.newark.com/texas-instruments/msp-exp430g2/msp430-launchpad-value-line-development/dp/77R3863
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[15:32] <drazyl> can it do 1080p, every codec known whilst streaming all my porn from the internet over a piece of wet string?
[15:32] <hamitron> if you install it in a fish tank full of water.... maybe
[15:33] <drazyl> does it come with a pony?
[15:33] <haltdef> omg!! PONIES!!!
[15:34] <drazyl> WHERE IS MY MSP430?? WHY ISNT IT HERE YET
[15:34] <des2> I must have yours....
[15:34] <IT_Sean> ...
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> TCP/WS (wet string) was never validated as a standard, drazyl
[15:35] <des2> If you haven't seen it there's an excellent Q&A on the front page about some of the RPi design issues.
[15:35] <des2> Like why no mounting holes.
[15:36] <drazyl> for the lulz?
[15:37] <des2> Still no update on where the 10,000 are though.
[15:38] <drazyl> they are swimming as fast as they can
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[15:40] <des2> It takes about 15 days when I order $1 items from China on ebay.
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[15:40] <des2> Perhaps the RPF should have paid extra for tracking.
[15:41] <drazyl> nobody ticks that option
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[16:20] <RITRedbeard> amazon prime rules
[16:21] <hotwings> i pasted this last night but here it is again: http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/modmypi-raspberry-pi-case-offers-5-percent-kickback-to-foundation-20120321/
[16:22] <hotwings> [07:16:24] <des2> We warned you not to buy those $2 Chinese USB chargers.... <-- theyre all $2 usb chargers
[16:25] <des2> A very nice looking case that is too.
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[16:25] <RITRedbeard> as if a $4 charger would have made a difference
[16:25] <RITRedbeard> !
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[16:26] <des2> Reallt makes you want to remove the RCA jack though.
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[16:27] <BrovietRussia> Hello
[16:28] <RITRedbeard> hi
[16:28] <Faperdaper> hi
[16:28] <des2> Hey
[16:28] <drazyl> hi
[16:28] <Hourd> 2hey ho
[16:29] <drazyl> its off to work we go?
[16:29] <BrovietRussia> Maybe I can get some help here
[16:29] <drazyl> new here?
[16:29] <RITRedbeard> we're not psychologists
[16:29] <des2> Help costs extra
[16:29] <des2> We specialize in speculation.
[16:29] <BrovietRussia> lawlz
[16:29] <drazyl> you've got to love the innocence
[16:30] <BrovietRussia> I found a mouse and keyboard that I would like to use with my raspberry pi but don't know if it will work with fedora remix
[16:30] <Kolin> seriously?
[16:30] <drazyl> usb? wireless? faithnet?
[16:30] <RITRedbeard> MIDI?
[16:30] <SBeans> is it a piano?
[16:30] <drazyl> does the mouse like cheese?
[16:31] <BrovietRussia> Usb using a wireless rf adapter
[16:31] <Kolin> is the mouse alive?
[16:31] <SBeans> what colour is the mouse?
[16:31] <RITRedbeard> the mouse is both dead and alive at the same time
[16:31] <des2> Ok the wireless rf adapter is an issue
[16:31] <SBeans> does it live in a house, field or other
[16:31] <drazyl> has it got a name?
[16:31] <des2> You need the model # or the interface chip type
[16:31] <haltdef> why is it an issue? most expose themselves as generic HID devices to the OS
[16:32] <RITRedbeard> because fedora was made by a buncha snitches
[16:32] <RITRedbeard> I have no idea
[16:32] <des2> Because most doesn't mean all.
[16:32] <BrovietRussia> Actually the brand of said mouse and keyboard is a rather well known brand
[16:32] <drazyl> Kelloggs
[16:32] <des2> Certainly he can just plug it in and see if it works
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> Johnson & Johnson
[16:33] <BrovietRussia> logitech
[16:33] <drazyl> Tampax!
[16:33] <des2> But for us to tell him if it actually will work we need more specifics
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> Bauch & Lomb
[16:34] <RITRedbeard> I love you guys.
[16:34] <des2> Do you know the model # BrovietRussia ?
[16:34] <RITRedbeard> This is the only channel on freenode that is worth idling in; just for the shennanigans.
[16:34] <Kolin> does it work in windows without special drivers?
[16:34] <Kolin> if so it'l work
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[16:34] <des2> Get your own shennanigans!
[16:34] <drazyl> morning
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[16:35] <BrovietRussia> des2 model # is 920-002950
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[16:36] <RITRedbeard> ^ OWNED
[16:36] <des2> Apparently that is this model: http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/keyboards/keyboard-mice-combos/devices/7313
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[16:36] <RITRedbeard> nickserv is a pimp
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[16:36] <des2> Wireless Combo MK260
[16:36] <des2> A compact keyboard-and-mouse set that gives you wireless convenience with the reliability of a cord.
[16:36] <des2> Reliable wireless
[16:36] <des2> Reliable wireless
[16:36] <des2> You?ll experience virtually no signal loss up to 10 meters away with Logitech Advanced 2.4 GHz connectivity.
[16:36] <des2> Good life
[16:36] <des2> Good life
[16:36] <des2> You can go for months without battery hassles?24 months for the keyboard and five months for the mouse.*
[16:36] <des2> Just one touch
[16:36] <des2> Just one touch
[16:37] <des2> oops
[16:37] <RITRedbeard> <des2> Just one touch
[16:37] <des2> Windows? XP, Windows Vista?, Windows? 7 or Linux? kernel 2.6 or later
[16:37] <des2> So according to Logitech it works fine with Linux.
[16:37] <BrovietRussia> alright
[16:37] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> <des2> Just one touch
[16:38] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> <des2> Just one touch
[16:38] <des2> That's more than just one touch.
[16:38] <BrovietRussia> I actually found that keyboar/mouse combo cheaper on new egg
[16:39] <BrovietRussia> newegg*
[16:39] <RITRedbeard> des2, multi-touch?
[16:39] <BrovietRussia> keyboard*
[16:40] <RITRedbeard> leloo dallas.
[16:40] <RITRedbeard> multi-pass
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[16:41] <RITRedbeard> BrovietRussia, do they connect via the same dongle?
[16:42] <RITRedbeard> if so, cool!
[16:44] <SBeans> 15:39 <+RITRedbeard> leloo dallas.
[16:44] <SBeans> read as legolas
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[16:44] <RITRedbeard> oh god he's mixing movies!
[16:45] <hotwings> i just read someone describe the connector layout on rpi as "a disaster" lol
[16:45] <RITRedbeard> hackaday?
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[16:45] <drazyl> yup, after the designed the board my car exploded and my house caught fire
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[16:47] <Hopsy> when can I buy the raspberrypi?
[16:47] <drazyl> anytime you like
[16:47] <RITRedbeard> When you give Eben your soul.
[16:47] <RITRedbeard> Only then can you obtain a raspberry pi.
[16:47] <Hopsy> serious?
[16:47] <Hopsy> but I cant :s
[16:47] <drazyl> yup, they've stopped taking creditcards and now only accept soulpal
[16:48] <drazyl> or is it paysoul?
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[16:48] <RITRedbeard> soulpal
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> more upbeat and catchy
[16:48] <drazyl> are they the ones we like or the ones we hate
[16:48] <drazyl> it gets so confusing at times
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[16:50] <drazyl> Hopsy if you wait, you can get the R-Pi starter kit, with a hub, sd card and cables,but you will need to give 2 souls for that
[16:50] <hotwings> yeah hackaday
[16:50] <Hopsy> drazyl: can you give me a link
[16:50] <drazyl> ok
[16:50] <hotwings> the story about that dude getting mame running with the rpi virtual box
[16:51] <drazyl> http://www.27bslash6.com/
[16:51] <des2> I would call the connector layout "unfortunate".
[16:52] <RITRedbeard> I would call it a slight against God.
[16:52] <des2> soulpal - lol
[16:52] <drazyl> Hopsy what country are you currently lost in?
[16:52] <RITRedbeard> Albania.
[16:52] <Hopsy> RITRedbeard: netherlands drazyl
[16:55] <drazyl> Hopsy looks like Farnell are only accepting registration at the moment
[16:56] <Hopsy> that sucks
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[16:58] <des2> No that's good.
[16:58] <des2> It means you can't get false hope by them letting you order one.
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[17:00] <RITRedbeard> I heard you can get one sooner if you use soulpay.
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[17:00] <drazyl> I heard if you fax Farnell a photocopy of your bum they let you order
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[17:01] <RITRedbeard> holographic photocopy?
[17:01] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[17:01] <drazyl> free delivery if it's holographic
[17:02] <drazyl> aditsu is what out yet?
[17:02] <aditsu> the Pi
[17:02] <drazyl> how are we supposed to know you meant that?
[17:03] <aditsu> how am I supposed to know you didn't know?
[17:03] <des2> aditsu did you read the 10 new posts on the RPF twitter ?
[17:03] <aditsu> nope
[17:03] <Hopsy> aditsu: how do we know that?
[17:03] <Hopsy> did *
[17:03] <des2> That's good because none of them were about where the PIs are.
[17:03] -NickServ- Databot!~Databot@cl-219.osl-01.no.sixxs.net has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
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[17:04] <drazyl> the PIs are in the oven
[17:04] <RITRedbeard> That's what Liz said to Eben.
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[17:06] <des2> We did get more info on Liz's knww injury though.
[17:06] <des2> knee
[17:06] <RITRedbeard> Like we give a SHIT
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[17:16] <ReggieUK> wow
[17:16] <ReggieUK> people still whining about no-pi?
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[17:20] <odin_> owww.. I can speak.... are you sure that is wise :P
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[17:22] <mkopack> Morning gang
[17:22] <mkopack> well, I guess afternoon now
[17:22] <drazyl> morning
[17:22] <des2> Slacker.
[17:22] <mkopack> hehe,. day off! Taking a "Me" day now that school is done
[17:22] <mkopack> needed it...
[17:23] <des2> Oh sure, it's all about Me, Me, Me...
[17:23] <mkopack> gonna go grab some lunch, come home, edit up the 10 weeks of TV shows I have recorded on my HTPC, maybe play some video games....
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[17:23] <mkopack> Just updated the OS on my iPad and iPhone...
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[17:24] <drazyl> cool, what did you install instead?
[17:24] <mkopack> bah
[17:24] <mkopack> don't hate
[17:24] <drazyl> I thought it was funny even if no-one else did
[17:25] <drazyl> 'er indoors as an iphone 4s and an ipad, and the littlest ninja has an ipod touch so I'm fairly neutral
[17:25] <mkopack> hehe
[17:26] <mkopack> Everyone has their preferences??? Since I've become a 100% mac house over the last 5 years, I kinda just like how the iPhone + iPad integrate with what I have
[17:26] <mkopack> made things a bit easier
[17:26] <drazyl> vendor lock-in, and he loves it!
[17:26] <mkopack> eh, it's not "lock in" if it's by choice??? :)
[17:27] <mkopack> I COULD go get an android, or a Windows device??? I just choose not to
[17:27] <drazyl> its lock-in when a vendor goes out of their way to make it difficult to move or inter-operate with another
[17:27] <Matt> that grammer bugs me
[17:27] <mkopack> Hell., I booted up Windows 7 last night for the first time in like 6 months, just to play Supreme Commander 2 with my buddies
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[17:28] <Matt> "an android device" or "an android phone" - fine
[17:28] <mkopack> Matt: I was being device agnostic :)
[17:28] <drazyl> no, he meant an actual android
[17:28] <drazyl> :)
[17:28] <Matt> but somehow "an android" seems wrong
[17:28] <Matt> that'd be like calling your PC "a windows" or
[17:29] <Matt> "a linux"
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[17:32] <odin_> it's not "lock in" .... it was never a choice when you were brainwashed :P
[17:33] <des2> 100% Mac house? Do you need Apple's permission every time you want to enter or leave ?
[17:34] <des2> Or is it like a jailbreak ?
[17:34] <mkopack> And you guys aren't the same way with Linux? LOL
[17:35] <mkopack> Like I said, we all use what we find we like??? I like my Macs, but I use all 3 at various times (hell, I have MBPro at work that I run Windows+Ubuntu in VM's all day long)
[17:35] <des2> Bill Gates doesn't care what I run on my PC as long as I mail him a royalty check.
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[17:35] <mkopack> anyhow, time to get some grub. Catch ya'll later!
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[17:35] <drazyl> lets see, I have an android phone, a Windows desktop, a linux laptop, all made by different companies, so, nope, no lock-in here
[17:36] <des2> I'm running Windows 7, Ubuntu, Arch linux and Open Solaris.
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[17:38] <philh> it's very hard to be the same with linux
[17:39] <zgreg> great, farnell sent me a delivery confirmation now
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[17:40] <zgreg> week 31, that's at the start of august
[17:40] <philh> delivery confirmation? so they believe you've received the item?
[17:40] <zgreg> ouch
[17:40] <philh> oh, i see
[17:40] <zgreg> err, more like order confirmation, sorry
[17:40] <zgreg> and I ordered very early at launch day
[17:40] <drazyl> more like delivery speculation
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[17:40] <zgreg> if that approximation is any good, it's more than disappointing
[17:42] <des2> wow 4+ months.
[17:43] <zgreg> mind you, I ordered like one hour after launch
[17:43] <BrovietRussia> One of the people at element 14 told me they were expecting more units in june/july
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[17:45] <Matt> moar!
[17:47] <BrovietRussia> moar units now
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[18:00] <des2> june/july ? That's also the time I'm expecting Scarlett Johanson to stop by my house.
[18:00] <BrovietRussia> lawlz
[18:01] <BrovietRussia> They really need to get a mass production going
[18:01] <BrovietRussia> But that would also raise cost
[18:02] <deafanon> https://eu.rs-email.com/pub/cc?_ri_=X0Gzc2X%3DWQpglLjHJlTQGiTtaTLGhoLc5MBSRIfMclTloYRMMeN9vy7S8NaOKPkVXtpKX%3DSRRYSYDCS&_ei_=EolaGGF4SNMvxFF7KucKuWPLB0v2JzsIzqS0GUdjfJqTs3cai915-uQl8mYslb9Q8xY.
[18:02] <deafanon> so the rPi hasn't been CE tested?
[18:03] <deafanon> I've not had an email from Farnell about this further delay yet
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[18:13] <aditsu> hope they get them out in time for Christmas...
[18:14] <des2> Wow.
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[18:15] <des2> If they're "just starting compliance testing" that's not good.
[18:17] <des2> Be nice if RS put a date on their "latest update".
[18:17] <atticist> it looks like about 06:40 might have been too late for the first batch of RS orders :(
[18:18] <deafanon> and it'd be nice if Farnell said something...
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[18:18] <des2> http://ow.ly/i/vrZY
[18:19] <des2> @Raspberry_Pi compliance testing commences at RS Components!! http://ow.ly/i/vrZY http://ow.ly/i/vs0e
[18:19] <des2> Dated March 13 on their twitter feed.
[18:19] <des2> http://twitter.com/#!/RSElectronics
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[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> mkopack
[18:21] <mkopack> hey, you guys get this new email from RS?
[18:21] <mkopack> "Much has been happening behind the scenes since you received our last update, not least the start of compliance testing on the Raspberry Pi.
[18:21] <mkopack> Why are we doing this? Compliance testing is an essential part of bringing any electronic product to market. The Raspberry Pi is being tested to make sure it conforms to all the regulations that apply to electronic devices around the world. This means that we can be sure the Raspberry Pi we deliver to you meets the correct standards and is as safe as you would expect any electronic device you purchase to be.
[18:21] <mkopack> We???re working with the Raspberry Pi Foundation to manage the testing process as quickly as possible, while ensuring all tests are carried out to guarantee safety."
[18:21] <drazyl> yes
[18:22] <RITRedbeard> SAFETY
[18:22] <RITRedbeard> OH GOD I WAS THINKING ABOUT USING ONE AS A HEART PUMP COMPUTER
[18:22] <RITRedbeard> THANK GOODNESS FOR THE TESTING
[18:22] <mkopack> Guess we know where they are now??? but WTF wasn't that being done WHILE we were waiting on the damn ethernet fix???
[18:23] <drazyl> they can't test it for ce until they have the actual model
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[18:23] <mkopack> They had the first 100 test production run boards back at the end of Feb
[18:23] <drazyl> "yeah, its good". "here is a version with a different component", "yeah that must be good too"
[18:23] <mkopack> the ones that the foundation got before they said "Ok, go ahead and do the full 10k"
[18:24] <mkopack> hmm??? well, that sux
[18:24] <drazyl> ce testing might say they are different as well, dunno
[18:24] <mkopack> hope this testing doesn't take forever
[18:24] <Thorn_> it will
[18:24] <drazyl> not idea how stringent it is, considering the crap that has ce stamped on it I would say not, but maybe RS are being careful for the edu market later
[18:25] <mkopack> I knew the Foundation had said they didn't need to go through the CE and such initially, but once they went to the edu edition it would need to be. But now that RS+Farnell are involved I'm sure they probably need it to be to CYA.
[18:25] <wej> you don't have to do any CE testing at all, you can just print the CE logo on your product.
[18:25] <wej> but you actually should do the testing, to be sure you actually meet the requirements
[18:25] <drazyl> wej you might be able to, but that's not necessarily true
[18:25] <wej> yes it is
[18:25] <mkopack> Sort of like how the EnergyStar logo here in the USA doesn't require any actual GOV testing? It's completely up to the manufacturer to test it??? What a crock
[18:25] <wej> you are not forced to do any testing
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[18:26] <drazyl> "Products considered to have a greater risk have to be independently certified by a notified body."
[18:26] <wej> but if you don't and someone else notices that your product does not meet the requirements, you can be forced to destroy all the products, so it is not a very good idea in most cases
[18:26] <mkopack> Basically, as long as you met certain design guidelines specified by the certification agency, you're allowed to put the logo on your device, even if you haven't' physically tested it.
[18:27] <wej> drazyl, yeah well, the rpi is no such product
[18:27] <drazyl> I would hope not
[18:28] <wej> but it is indeed very strange, that they start that testing now and didn't do it before starting the 10000 unit production run
[18:28] <mkopack> The Slice-Of-Pi board I ordered also got delayed a bit??? Apparnetly their board producer hasn't come through so they're switching to another one??? And the price is going up about $0.50 per board. I wrote back and said "No rush, not like I have an Rpi to use it with!"
[18:29] <mkopack> wej: Yeahm otherwise they might have 10,000 non-certified boards sitting around that they can't sell
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[18:29] <wej> no, that's why you usually do a smaller prototype run with the final design to do the actual testing on
[18:30] <wej> testing when you are already producing the 10000 boards doesn't help very much. if the tests turn out to not meet the requirements you would still need to destroy your stuff and start over again
[18:31] <wej> or at least put that stuff in a metal case :D that works too, in most cases :D
[18:31] <mkopack> sure, but a lot easier/cheaper to destroy 100 bad ones than 10,000
[18:31] <wej> yes, that's why i find it so strange, that they are doing the testing now
[18:31] <mkopack> OPh well???
[18:31] <mkopack> Glad my PandaBoard will get here on Monday??? at least I'll have something to play with
[18:31] <drazyl> it may be the case that the components all comply so it's just making sure nothing unusual happens
[18:32] <mkopack> Yeah, it's going to be things like checking that it doesn't short out and catch on fire, that it doesn't produce unreasonable radio interference (FCC compliance here in the USA),. etc.
[18:33] <wej> CE is mostly about electromagnetic compatibility
[18:33] <wej> that's the difficult part
[18:33] <wej> ad it mostly depends on the board design, not so much on the components
[18:36] <wej> btw. FCC compliance is even a little more strict than CE, so usually if you've managed to be FCC compliant you are also CE compliant
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[18:49] <rm> A - All Raspberry Pi boards and accessories will be shipped from the UK straight to you. We will not be able to ship them to your local trade counter/depot for collection. All orders are subject to a ??4.95 delivery charge to any destination worldwide
[18:49] <rm> YAY RS
[18:49] <rm> FINALLY SOMEONE SODDING SANE
[18:49] <rm> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&file=questions&cm_mmc=uk-email-_-other-_-uk-230312-raspberry_pi_weeklyupdate2-_-0
[18:52] <mkopack> ?
[18:53] <mkopack> rm what do you mean by sodding sane?
[18:53] <mkopack> so they're not going to ship to the local RS affiliate in your country and then distribute from there?
[18:54] <duckinator> mkopack: i think it's a tamer version of "<expletive of choice>ing sane" ;P
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[18:54] <mkopack> lol, I know what the "sodding" portion meant ;)
[18:54] <duckinator> oh suuuuure. that's what they all say :)
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[18:55] <rm> mkopack, YES they aren't!
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[18:55] <rm> because you know
[18:55] <mkopack> interesting. Wonder how that's going to affect the "register for interest" that took place @ Allied ...
[18:55] <mkopack> since they're the US distrib
[18:55] <rm> local affiliate thingie works SO WELL for Farnell
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[18:56] <rm> so well that it costs me 20 Euro to have it shipped via the affiliate
[18:56] <mkopack> yeah, this has been a bit of a total mess, hasn't it?
[18:56] <rm> ergo, just ship the damn thing directly from the UK using Royal Post (as we were expecting R Pi.org to do themselves, in the first place)
[18:57] <mkopack> and flat fee anywhere in the world
[18:57] <rm> right
[18:58] <rm> and regarding Allied, they are going to ship worldwide from the US
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[18:58] <mkopack> Allied IS RS in the US though
[18:58] <des2> 13:18] <+des2> @Raspberry_Pi compliance testing commences at RS Components!! http://ow.ly/i/vrZY http://ow.ly/i/vs0e
[18:58] <des2> [13:18] <+des2> Dated March 13 on their twitter feed.
[18:58] <des2> [13:19] <+des2> http://twitter.com/#!/RSElectronics
[18:58] <mkopack> they're the US branch
[18:58] <des2> Mkopack they apparently started March 13th or os.
[18:58] <mkopack> Hmm, so it's been going on over the last 10 days???
[18:59] <mkopack> I would HOPE they've got to be about done by now then, wouldn't you???
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[18:59] <des2> Unless they've found an issue.
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[19:01] <des2> "A - Along with the other supplier of Raspberry Pi, we are expecting our first shipment of boards towards the end of March"
[19:01] <des2> From the Q&A at the link posted by rm
[19:01] <mkopack> Well, that would line up with my expected ship date of the 30th...
[19:01] <mkopack> so Woohoo!
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[19:05] <markus> i'm thinking of buying a beagleboard :)
[19:05] <markus> i'll have to wait for my raspberry for quite a long while so might as well buy a beaglebone, i meant beaglebone before
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[19:11] <koaschten> Imaconfused
[19:11] <koaschten> PIs don't happen to ship from swiss do they?
[19:12] <koaschten> because i got an unexpected letter from customs for a package from switzerland
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[19:13] <mkopack> not as far as we know
[19:14] <mkopack> Maybe it's Nazi gold? :)
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[19:14] <Matt> maybe it's chocolate
[19:17] <koaschten> I dont need swiss chocolate, got german, good enough for me
[19:17] <mkopack> Mmm German Chocolate???. cake
[19:18] <[Si]> German Marzipan chocolate nom nom
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[19:20] <koaschten> [Si] Niederegger? ;)
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[19:21] <Matt> koaschten: could be a very small glacier? :)
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[19:21] <des2> koaschten do you deal with Digikey ?
[19:21] <markus> are the pis even shipping?
[19:21] <koaschten> and the best, I can go and pick up the package between 07:30 and 15:00 Monday to Thursday
[19:22] <koaschten> hey, I don't work ... you know?
[19:22] <des2> Some people have gotten Digikey catalogs that for some reason come via Switzerland.
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[19:24] <[Si]> koaschten you are being mean now!
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[19:24] <[Si]> I have to bribe my German friends to import it for me :)
[19:24] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mFaVUonHKo
[19:24] <Matt> des2: ah, good point - I remember seeing an eevblog post about that
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[19:25] <Matt> (is that the episode url by chance?)
[19:25] <des2> yes it is
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[19:31] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Who did you order from?
[19:31] <mkopack> Newark
[19:31] <mkopack> y?
[19:32] <Hexxeh> Wow, if it actually ships I'll be amazed
[19:32] <mkopack> yeah, same here!
[19:32] <Hexxeh> Ordered mine from Farnell very early on launch day and heard nothing
[19:32] <mkopack> when it comes it comes.. I'll live
[19:32] <mkopack> I'll have the PandaBoard to play with in the mean time
[19:33] <mkopack> I just know that my luck will be that the Pi will arrive while I'm in the thick of the next qtr of grad school and won't have time to touch it until end of June??? sigh
[19:33] <Hexxeh> Still says "Back order" here
[19:38] <des2> It's pretty clear there is a real product.
[19:38] <des2> But the people involved aren't very good about imparting timely, accurate information.
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[19:49] <mrdragons> Is it out yet
[19:49] <Magoggles> yes
[19:49] <Magoggles> everyone got theirs today
[19:49] <BrovietRussia> Not me
[19:50] * Magoggles facepalms
[19:50] <Magoggles> :P
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[19:51] <BrovietRussia> It would've been nice to see it in the mail today
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[19:53] <lee> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17491344
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[19:54] <des2> lol
[19:54] <BrovietRussia> lol
[19:55] <des2> Not the first national anthem screwup
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[20:09] <des2> Amish get on Raspberry bandwagon: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HCQaKc82L._AA300_.jpg
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[20:53] <mkopack> Damn, I didn't realize how much stuff I had recorded over the last 3 months
[20:53] <mkopack> This is taking forever just to edit out the commercials
[20:56] <Da|Mummy> this is why you usenet
[20:56] <_av500_> mkopack: you get torrents with commercials?
[20:57] <mkopack> No, I have a capture system setup so I record stuff myself off TV...
[20:57] <mkopack> I find it easier than trying to hunt for the next episode of stuff off Torrent
[20:57] <Da|Mummy> you have a vcr?
[20:57] <mkopack> s
[20:57] <haltdef> usenet+sickbeard
[20:57] <haltdef> go
[20:57] <Da|Mummy> ^this
[20:57] <mkopack> and getting stuck with things in different formats and quality and such
[20:57] <mkopack> It's not a big deal. This works great.
[20:58] <Da|Mummy> <mkopack> This is taking forever just to edit out the commercials
[20:58] <mkopack> It's just that I was so damn busy with school these past 3 months I hadn't been able to keep up with doing the edits and compression.
[20:58] <mkopack> So I have a big backlog to process
[20:58] <haltdef> you recompress anyway?
[20:58] <_av500_> compresion? watch it and then delete it
[20:59] <mkopack> when I keep up, I it's only like 5 minutes a week for all the shows
[20:59] <mkopack> Nah, I archive...
[20:59] <_av500_> for what?
[20:59] <_av500_> if holywood explodes?
[20:59] <Da|Mummy> anyone watch that game of thrones series?
[20:59] <_av500_> youll come to the rescue?
[20:59] <mkopack> The EyeTV software stores in MPeg 2. I edit out the commercials (right in the eyeTV software) then have it compress down to H.264??? takes up WAY less space then
[20:59] <mkopack> Mummy: Yup, have the whole first season??? Season 2 starts up soon
[21:00] <mkopack> Nah, just so if somebody comes over and they want to watch something, I have a nice big library of stuff to choose from
[21:00] <Da|Mummy> i just started watching 1st season, up th ep5 now i think. very good show do far
[21:00] <mkopack> Mummy: Yeah, they say the books are even better
[21:00] <haltdef> so basically you make x264 encodes
[21:00] <haltdef> like the ones you can downloas
[21:00] <mkopack> yeah??? I guess???.
[21:00] <Ticho> i'm reading the books, but so far it's quite generic, bland fantasy
[21:00] <mkopack> somebody has to do the recording, right?
[21:01] <haltdef> I only record stuff myself for quality
[21:01] <Da|Mummy> i swear, its like they took pictures and sounds out of skyrim itself and put it into the show
[21:01] <Ticho> the kingkiller chronicles series by rothfuss is far better reading
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[21:01] * _av500_ just got Dr.Who season 1-14 :)
[21:01] <_av500_> no way to record season 1 for me :)
[21:02] <_av500_> im not that old
[21:02] <mkopack> Like, the ORIGINAL Dr ??? Whoa
[21:02] <mkopack> a LOT of those episodes have been at least partially lost, which is unfortunate
[21:02] <_av500_> yes, sadly
[21:03] <_av500_> they have sound and still images for a lot of them
[21:03] <_av500_> and some are mixed color and B&W
[21:03] <_av500_> coz they got them back from mkopack-alikes
[21:03] <mkopack> yeah, they supposedly found some new portions recently
[21:03] <mkopack> hehe
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[21:03] <piofcube> There were a few people came forward saying they had recordings of the original Dr Who episodes... Many were lost during the big "Pebble-Mill" fire back in the 80s I think.
[21:03] <mkopack> see??? somebody archiving stuff isn't always a bad thing :)
[21:04] <_av500_> what the scene does is to keep distributed movie backups, just the MPAA is unthankful
[21:04] <_av500_> we even check the quality for free
[21:04] <mkopack> Well, pio, with the first couple seasons it was because the BBC didn't bother to keep the stuff??? they never imagined needing it again and some stuff got recorded over
[21:04] * _av500_ stopped reusing HDDs
[21:05] <Da|Mummy> plus the scene makes sure we dont have to sit through commercials, previews, anti-piracy ads, fbi warnings, mpaa warning, riaa warning, copyright warning, etc
[21:05] <_av500_> yes
[21:05] <_av500_> they keep only the artistic stuff
[21:05] <piofcube> mkopack: Yeah you're right there... they had so much film and needed to throw some out... also there's some bateria the likes to eat celulose :S
[21:05] <piofcube> bacteria**
[21:05] <_av500_> that was magnetic tapes
[21:06] <Da|Mummy> http://underdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/gxzev.jpg?w=700&h=721
[21:06] <_av500_> not celuloid
[21:06] <piofcube> they recorded the live broadcasts on film... not video... I taking about the likes of the Sykes show etc
[21:06] <piofcube> talking**
[21:06] <piofcube> hancocks half-hour
[21:07] <mkopack> I'm processing Season 2 of the Walking Dead right now
[21:07] <haltdef> I downloaded 720p itunes rips
[21:07] <haltdef> though it'd probably look the same in 480p
[21:07] <haltdef> 16mm film :/
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[21:08] <_av500_> mkopack: i guess i can download that faster than you compress :)
[21:08] <mkopack> The whole season? Hmmm MAYBE
[21:08] <RITRedbeard__> YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A RASPBERRY PI
[21:09] <Da|Mummy> people are already buying 3d printouts of rpi
[21:09] <Da|Mummy> scammers, i say
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[21:09] <markus> mkopack: but i would steal one if i could :P
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[21:09] <RITRedbeard__> :D
[21:10] <markus> i meant RITRedbeard__
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[21:10] <Ticho> i would if i could :>
[21:10] <Ticho> car as well
[21:10] <piofcube> Da|Mummy: scammers?
[21:11] <Da|Mummy> theyre selling fake rpi's!
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[21:12] <piofcube> If they are trying to pass them off as real r-pis, yeah, you're right
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[21:15] <mkopack> Some are making them just to sell to people who are trying to design cases so they can "test fit" the case??? But yeah, I'm sure a number of them are scammers trying to pass them off as real RPi's
[21:15] <piofcube> I wouldn't be suprised... :-(
[21:15] <_av500_> 35$ can be a fair price for a high quality 3d print
[21:17] <piofcube> I bet a few of them are looking for high quality 3D prints so they can just troll by showing pics of the holding them... For testing, you only need a box-style printout as long as it's the correct dimensions.
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[21:28] <RITRedbeard> I want to buy a fake one and mail to to Eben.
[21:28] <RITRedbeard> For laughs.
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[21:38] <_av500_> bake a raspberyy pie and mail it to him
[21:39] <hamitron> a few months after it has been cooked
[21:39] <hamitron> ;)
[21:39] <_av500_> yes, let it sit in a chinese warehouse for a few months
[21:39] <hamitron> "should have got to you sooner, just didn't happen"
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[21:47] <des2> I wish you could download a Raspberry PI like you can download an Arduino.
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[21:47] <Da|Mummy> ive had somebody ask me where they could download a GPU
[21:47] <piofcube> Yeah, the new Arduino by email service
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[21:49] <piofcube> Lots of people said that online shopping would be the downfall of the postal service back when the likes of amazon first started getting popular O_o
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[21:50] <mkopack> why? If anything it's helped keep them in business by shipping packages
[21:50] <piofcube> I think they were getting confused LOL
[21:50] <Da|Mummy> because places like amazon get a huge discount in shipping
[21:50] <Matt> the downfall of maikorder perhaps
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[21:51] <Da|Mummy> and any other company that ships in the thousands [er day
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[21:51] <piofcube> Matt: I think you're right... but the papers tended to get confused also and sent out the wrong idea
[21:52] <Da|Mummy> now newspaper. that an item than can easily go extinct
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[21:52] <Matt> the local paper pays for our mortgage, so it can stay around thanks :)
[21:53] <Matt> (my wife works for the local paper)
[21:53] <piofcube> With the Internet, we can all be "reporters" ;-)
[21:54] <piofcube> If the newspapers don't fall into the trap of just copying the bloggers, there's a place for them IMHO
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[21:56] <Da|Mummy> than again, most newspapers these days have an online edition
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[21:57] <hamitron> can't wipe yourself clean with an iPad, unlike with a newspaper
[21:57] <hamitron> ;)
[21:58] <piofcube> I think there's plenty of life left in the local news industry as long as they move with the times... There's quite a few that are now hosting local chats etc... For international news and such-like, more people are using twitter and youtube etc...
[21:58] <Da|Mummy> you CAN however burn an ipad
[21:58] <hamitron> but on a serious note.... newspapers don't burn so well now
[21:59] <hamitron> dunno if it is the better quality paper, or the type of print
[21:59] <hamitron> 1 less use :/
[21:59] <ReggieUK> it's cos they're tainted with murdochs sleaze
[21:59] <piofcube> maybe after recycling the paper so many times... *shrugs*
[22:00] <hamitron> my guess is the huge amounts of coloured laser print
[22:00] <Matt> possibly ink
[22:00] <Matt> they use a vegetable derived ink now
[22:00] <_av500_> raspberry juice
[22:00] <hamitron> well, it burns weird colours
[22:00] <hamitron> when it burns
[22:00] <hamitron> :/
[22:00] <piofcube> ah that's the brimstone ;-)
[22:01] <Matt> it's nice having contacts at the paper
[22:01] <Matt> we can get roll-ends when we need them
[22:01] <_av500_> and free publicity
[22:01] <hamitron> Matt, does the paper burn better with no ink on?>
[22:01] <_av500_> your yard sale on the front page
[22:01] <Matt> no idea, we're not allowed bonfires
[22:01] <Matt> _av500_: alas no, they stopped the free classified ads for staff
[22:01] <hamitron> well, I light a fire most days in winter for heating
[22:02] <hamitron> ;)
[22:02] <Matt> and my wife is in the advertising dept, not editorial
[22:02] <piofcube> Matt: For some papers, it's the same thing ;-)
[22:02] <hamitron> not allowed bonfires? I didn't mean at work man
[22:02] <hamitron> :D
[22:02] <_av500_> well, a full page ad for your yard sale might works too
[22:02] <_av500_> oops
[22:03] <Matt> hamitron: local city by-law
[22:03] <hamitron> oh
[22:03] <Matt> we're not far enough north :)
[22:03] <Matt> once you're north of the 407 you can
[22:03] <hamitron> is that common for cities?
[22:03] <Matt> no idea
[22:03] <Matt> before I moved to .ca we used to have bonfires quite regularly
[22:03] <hamitron> "no bonfires kids, you can just torch the neighbourhood"
[22:04] <piofcube> lol
[22:04] <_av500_> the brixton way
[22:04] <hamitron> this must have been the main cause for the riots in the UK
[22:05] <piofcube> Yeah, "The energy saving lightbulb of the vanities" doesn't have the same ring to it.
[22:05] <hamitron> all the kids wanted to play with fire for the first time
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[22:05] <hamitron> I got 65 x 100W lightbulbs left \o/
[22:06] <hamitron> sorry, shouldn't brag
[22:06] <hamitron> :/
[22:06] <piofcube> hamitron: I wouldn't let that get round to much... You might start a local riot
[22:06] <hamitron> haha
[22:06] <hamitron> can still buy them at market tbh
[22:06] <Kolin> like real incandescent ones hamitron???
[22:06] <hamitron> yes
[22:07] <piofcube> I can get some 60 watt but even then, those are getting rare
[22:07] <piofcube> in my local shops that is
[22:07] <Kolin> bloody hell, that must mean you can see when you actualy need a piss and not 10 mins later
[22:07] <hamitron> Kolin, no excuse for missing ;/
[22:08] <Kolin> i miss when its light anyway
[22:08] <hamitron> haha
[22:08] <hamitron> tbh, I only use real light bulbs in places I work
[22:09] <piofcube> They keep saying we've only got x years supply of Wolfram left
[22:10] <piofcube> Tungsten
[22:10] <Matt> Kolin: so use LEDs :)
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[22:10] <Wolfram74> i'm a renewable resource, don't worry
[22:10] <Kolin> lol Wolfram74
[22:11] <piofcube> :-)
[22:11] <Matt> when we moved in we swapped most of the lights for CFLs
[22:11] <Kolin> i just dont like the light that comes from CFL's
[22:12] <hamitron> cold and makes ya feel sick
[22:12] <Matt> I don't mind the "warm white" ones
[22:12] <hamitron> I swear they flicker
[22:12] <Kolin> im sure they do
[22:12] <Matt> they do flicker, at 50Hz
[22:12] <Kolin> but we cant see it
[22:12] <Kolin> :P
[22:12] <Matt> or 60Hz in north america
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Modern ones with electronic ballasts do not flicker.
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> And it's 100/120
[22:12] <hamitron> hmm, k
[22:12] <Matt> SpeedEvil: yes, yes I suppose it is :)
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> They have a little capacitor inside - and flicker less than incandesant
[22:13] <hamitron> 5 mins warm-up?
[22:13] <hamitron> ;/
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Warmup varies.
[22:13] <Matt> hamitron: so use LED :)
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> I've had no heating this winter.
[22:13] <hamitron> tbh, it is lack of light that bugs me
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> At 5C - warmup is regrettably slow.
[22:13] <Kolin> Matt: LED ones are better
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: you can simply use more lights, and still save on watts.
[22:13] <Kolin> i still dont like the colour temp though
[22:14] <hamitron> more lights means changing loads of fittings :/
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: For example - I used 20 22W 'energy saving' lights in my garage.
[22:14] <Matt> I haven't found the colour temp that bad
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: I soldered them along a cable :)
[22:14] <hamitron> hehe
[22:14] <Matt> I was in somewhere with daylight temperature lights the other day
[22:14] <hamitron> what did you do in the home?
[22:15] <Kolin> most of my lights are halogen now actualy
[22:15] <hamitron> I may change to halogen for my desk lamp
[22:15] <hamitron> nice and warm, to replace my 40W bulb
[22:15] <hamitron> so can still warm my hands
[22:15] <hamitron> :D
[22:15] <markus> i use python in my lamp
[22:15] <markus> php suuuu.. :P
[22:15] <Kolin> yeah, just dont try changing them when they've just died
[22:15] <hamitron> ;/
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: I'm currently modding a 20W halogen desk light with a 10W LED - 60W equivalent.
[22:16] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, but a 10W led bulb won't get warm?
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Yes, it will get warm.
[22:16] <Kolin> I've seen the LED halogen replacement bulbs around
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: And you need a decent heatsink.
[22:16] <Kolin> not tried them though
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Actual existing LED fittings available in shops tend to be lacklustre.
[22:17] <hamitron> I just can't see how a normal bulb wastes power
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: By being shockingly inefficnet.
[22:17] <hamitron> but you can't destroy energy
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> About 5% of the energy is radiated as light.
[22:17] <Kolin> they heat the room!
[22:17] <hamitron> Kolin, exactly
[22:17] <des2> The 12 volt Halogen replacement LEDS are pretty good. But they're also around $30.
[22:18] <Kolin> like my old 21" crt monitor didnt waste energy
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Kolin: Which is fine if you want to heat the ceiling, with expensive electricity.
[22:18] <Kolin> it let me not put the heating on!
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Electricity is 3* as expensive as gas here at least.
[22:18] <hamitron> I don't have gas in all the house
[22:18] <des2> Yes if you use electric heat your incandescent lightbulb can be near 100% efficient.
[22:19] <hamitron> last winter I tried energy efficient bulbs, couldn't see a thing, and had to turn on an extra 2 comps to keep me warm
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[22:20] <hamitron> I guess seti@home benefited
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> If you're electrically heating with peak-rate electricity - not storage heaters - yes - it's less important.
[22:21] <hamitron> so why ban them? :/
[22:21] * hamitron curses
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Because most people aren't.
[22:21] <Kolin> wait, who actualy banned them?
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> And it goes towards making the economy need to work less hard by not having to import expensive fuel.
[22:22] <hamitron> Kolin, government
[22:22] <Kolin> country?
[22:22] <hamitron> UK
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> UK, and US
[22:22] <Kolin> when?
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> last year
[22:22] <hamitron> few years ago
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> maybe two
[22:22] <hamitron> 40W get banned this year?
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> LED technology is coming on enormously.
[22:23] <Kolin> hmmm, i can still buy them..
[22:23] <hamitron> may try one for ?24 sometime
[22:23] <hamitron> ;)
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> You can now get the equivalent brightness of 100W for $5 - in raw LEDs - in 1000 quantities.
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[22:23] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, what and where?
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly - at that price - they're wierd colours.
[22:24] <hamitron> I've only seen 6W ones, same as 40W
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/XMLAWT-00-0000-000LT40E4/XMLAWT-00-0000-000LT40E4TR-ND/2615379 $3.50@1k
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[22:26] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet_mount
[22:26] <hamitron> this fitting please
[22:26] <hamitron> :)
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> I said raw LED
[22:26] <hamitron> loads of use
[22:26] <hamitron> :/
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> These sorts of LED are quite new - so you're yet to see designs incorporating them cheaply
[22:27] <hamitron> I'm still yet to see any LED bulb cheap tbh
[22:27] <hamitron> ;/
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> They're about twice as efficient as CFL
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Maybe a little less.
[22:28] <hamitron> yeh but....
[22:28] <hamitron> I pay 30p per bulb
[22:28] <hamitron> led cost like..... ?2
[22:28] <hamitron> ?22
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: True - hoever - the power used by the bulb is vastly more over its life, for most people that don't want the heating, so it may actually be worth it when they come down a bit
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> In the nearish term - 10 quid 100W equivalent is plausible.
[22:29] <hamitron> if that happens, maybe
[22:29] <hamitron> better be under a fiver to entertain me
[22:30] <hamitron> how well do LED bulbs handle dirty power?
[22:30] <Dagger2> "per bulb" isn't really a great way to compare light sources
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> That's going to take another couple of years.
[22:30] <Dagger2> particularly when one of the type of bulbs breaks every two minutes
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: It depends on the design of the power supply.
[22:31] <hamitron> mains power
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Some are going to explode - much as cheap chinese PSUs do.
[22:31] <Matt> and canada actually
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[22:31] <hamitron> well, don't want ?22 bulbs to blow when there are power cuts
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> - as an aside I got a dozen cheap PSUs from ebay that I'm going to review and see if I can make explode with 'normal' use.
[22:31] <Matt> although the ban on reselling incandescent hasn't taken effect yet
[22:31] <Matt> they keep pushing it off
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> - for example - load with 500mA, and turn on and off at the wall 100 times seperated by 10 mins
[22:32] <Dagger2> (nitpicker's corner: two minutes was an exaggeration, but you can expect to be replacing one incandescent bulb every ~two weeks or so, which is just a pain)
[22:32] <Matt> SpeedEvil: with an automated jig?
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> matt: Plug them all into a load of extension cables, then timer.
[22:32] <hamitron> Dagger2, mine tend to blow with power spikes
[22:32] <hamitron> :/
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> - on top of a fireproof thing
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[22:33] <hamitron> but without them, last longer I'd say
[22:34] <hamitron> but tbh, lack of light is most annoying thing
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately lots of makers think that price is the most important asprct.
[22:34] <Matt> I recall having a schematic for a simple circuit you could add to your lightswitch that'd cause the bulb to be energised when the ac current passed through 0V
[22:34] <hamitron> I can get a heater to replace the heat
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> For obvious reasons.
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> And hence compromise light output and reliability.
[22:35] <Dagger2> hamitron: they're still always going to blow much quicker than CFLs do (since in my experience CFLs last for "years")
[22:35] <mkopack> Damn, got my order from Monoprice, but it's missing something. grrr
[22:35] <hamitron> Dagger2, ofc
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: There is no good reason for that.
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: They're very similar electrically.
[22:36] <hamitron> but I still need light from a bulb.... if nothing else
[22:36] <hamitron> :/
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[22:36] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: Indeed there is a new lot of 'high voltage' LEDs out that you can damn nearly run off a CFL ballast.
[22:37] <hamitron> my stock of 100W bulbs are industrial, and seem to last longer actually
[22:37] <Dagger2> SpeedEvil: I meant that incandescents blow quickly. LED bulbs will be fine
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Industrial bulbs do - at the cost of lower light output.
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: Ah.
[22:37] <hamitron> one in this room I put in in September
[22:37] <hamitron> for 30p, not complaining
[22:38] <mkopack> I really don't like these "online chat assistance" things websites use now for customer service. The response time on them is HORRIBLE
[22:38] <mkopack> You enter your question and it takes them like 5 minutes to respond back
[22:38] <hamitron> mkopack, and it is often a "reply" that is just pasted in, and not right
[22:38] <hamitron> :/
[22:38] <mkopack> that too
[22:39] <hamitron> with someone who doesn't understand English
[22:39] <hamitron> or even the subject
[22:39] <des2> Yes those are called "Zero crossing switches" Matt.
[22:39] <hamitron> \o/
[22:39] <mkopack> hehe yeah, usually
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> des2: ?
[22:40] <des2> Matt mentioned lightswitch circuit that turns on when the current passed through 0.
[22:40] <des2> (although it's actually voltage)
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[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Fun fact. The LEDs I pasted above. It takes a 60mm*60mm close-packed array to illuminate an area bright as 1 square meter of sunlit window.
[22:41] <des2> The industrial bulbs often trade light output for longevity.
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[22:41] <des2> Giving a little less light but lasting significantly longer.
[22:42] <hamitron> des2, yeh, I guessed when i used them
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> (they would of course need mad heatsinking)
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[22:42] <hamitron> des2, but they are the brightest bulbs I can find, apart from my 150W bulbs
[22:42] <hamitron> for normal fitting
[22:43] <hamitron> can also dim them, which is a bonus
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> I have a couple of fittings where I've added more than one CFL
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> for _much_ more light.
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Also - the garage now has ~500W of 'energy saving' lighting.
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> It's now adequately bright in there.
[22:44] <hamitron> but it is all cost
[22:44] <hamitron> :/
[22:44] <hamitron> and can't really fit loads of lights in the house
[22:44] <Dagger2> this conversation reminds me of http://www.bigclive.com/hamster.htm
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> Cost I think 25p/bulb - insane for the lot.
[22:44] <hamitron> we actually have strip lights in the garage
[22:44] <hamitron> SpeedEvil, and the fittings?
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> Saw that :)
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Fittings?
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: I have a soldering iron.
[22:46] * hamitron can just see the reaction of some females, if a guy did this to their home
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:46] <mkopack> ok, cool, they're going to send out the missing item right away
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qph8BNrnLY - female I thought of on hamitrons comment.
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> DIY transistors - hardcore
[22:47] <hamitron> bah, no youtube here
[22:47] <hamitron> :/
[22:48] <hamitron> blocked to stop users killing the internet connection
[22:48] <hamitron> ;)
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[22:49] <hamitron> brb, need more beer
[22:50] <mkopack> luckily, what the left out was something I don't need right away, so I'm good.
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[23:00] <Matt> SpeedEvil: not looked at the link, but female and DIY transistors has to be Jeri
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[23:12] <des2> I wonder how long it would take for Jeri to build a RPi from scratch.
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[23:12] <des2> Maybe we should sponsor a race....
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[23:40] <asm> 7 days!
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[23:47] <IT_Sean> asm: makes one week?
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[23:48] <asm> until the boards ship
[23:49] <IT_Sean> Oooh
[23:51] <flaushy> -.-
[23:51] <flaushy> i have a shipping date
[23:51] <flaushy> week 32...
[23:53] <zgreg> same here!
[23:53] <zgreg> exactly the same
[23:54] <flaushy> farnell germany?
[23:54] <zgreg> yes
[23:54] <flaushy> yeah a mate of mine too
[23:54] <zgreg> I ordered as soon as the servers became alive again after the massive DoS on launch day
[23:54] <flaushy> i hope they put a pessimistic shipping date in
[23:55] <flaushy> but until now i didnt hear anything good about farnell germany and shipping dates about rpi. would love to hear that someone in germany gotten a "april" or such
[23:56] <zgreg> it wouldn't surprise me if distribution of the first runs is in no way fair
[23:57] <zgreg> and ze germans aren't really getting many pis to start with
[23:57] <flaushy> i dont know
[23:57] <flaushy> could be as well that the germans gotten pessimistic shipping dates, and others optimistic ones
[23:57] <flaushy> and we all get our pis in may ^^
[23:59] <zgreg> I hope that's true, but I seriously doubt it

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