#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-03-26

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[1:24] <nechayev> hey I was wondering about how the pi 'mounts' to a case, ie what are the measurements/does it fit an obscure form factor etc?
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[1:25] <IT_Sean> nechayev? It does not conform to any current standard form factor
[1:25] <IT_Sean> You will have to come up with your own edge mount
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[1:26] <nechayev> does it have any sort of mount points/at least 'clear' area to put mounts?
[1:26] <IT_Sean> It does not have mounting holes.
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[1:31] <nechayev> alrighty
[1:31] <nechayev> any word when they are actually going to start shipping? haven't seen anything more recent than the getting certified update :P
[1:32] <Matt> that's about it
[1:32] <Matt> they ship when they ship :)
[1:32] <IT_Sean> Wot 'e said
[1:32] <nechayev> fair enough, just wondered if there was any more recent news :P
[1:32] <nechayev> anyways, thanks for all your help, ttyl
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[1:32] <Matt> IT_Sean: good weekend?
[1:32] <IT_Sean> alright. Yours?
[1:33] <Matt> good thanks :)
[1:33] <Matt> weather's been gorgeous up here
[1:34] <Matt> plus my wife just made curry for dinner, so after a large plate of curry, basmati and naan, I just wanna curl up and have a nap :)
[1:34] <IT_Sean> heh
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[1:37] <steve_rox> i accedently joined the dev room for the PI ,its totally dead in there :-P
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[1:42] <IT_Sean> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17500008
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[1:46] <Matt> 'sbetter than feet washing ashore
[1:48] <IT_Sean> Yes. Also, eew.
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[1:54] <Matt> you heard about that right?
[1:54] <Matt> the feet washing ashore in BC?
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[1:56] <IT_Sean> I did
[1:56] <IT_Sean> Did they ever figure out where they came from?
[1:56] <shirro> Legs?
[1:57] <piofcube> they found 9 feet in different places right? Some in fresh water as well as salt-water?
[1:59] <Matt> just feet
[1:59] <Matt> severed at the ankle IIRC
[1:59] <shirro> Dexter has been busy again
[1:59] <piofcube> Some they think came from the 2004 tsunami
[2:01] <piofcube> Still makes you wonder why it seems to be just feet
[2:01] <IT_Sean> And why they were all in running shoes?
[2:03] <ReggieUK> perhaps that's how they survived
[2:03] <ReggieUK> some bouyancy and protection
[2:03] <ReggieUK> sharks don't like nike!!
[2:03] <piofcube> LOL
[2:04] <piofcube> I see those rubber ducks are still turning up... Been out there since 1992
[2:05] <IT_Sean> Yup!
[2:05] <IT_Sean> Heh
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[2:06] <piofcube> Well, looks like we've just descovered a fool-proof delivery method for the R-Pis
[2:06] <IT_Sean> Attach them to severed sneaker-wearing feet, and pitch them into the sea?
[2:07] <IT_Sean> Bad Idea.
[2:07] <shirro> piofcube: NO! I live inland. Put them in pirate balloons so we can shoot them down
[2:07] <piofcube> attach them to feet so it doesn't cost an arm and a leg *groans*
[2:08] <IT_Sean> What's wrong with the post?
[2:08] <shirro> I don't want anyone posting me feet
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[2:12] * IT_Sean posts his feet: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5240/dscn2436z.jpg
[2:14] <Matt> that a baby rack?
[2:14] <IT_Sean> wha?
[2:14] <Matt> behind your feet
[2:14] <IT_Sean> Oh, that's actually an old TV stand.
[2:15] <Matt> ah, nifty
[2:15] <IT_Sean> I have a CD archival unit and a couple of routers in it.
[2:15] <IT_Sean> Mainly, it hides the wires that run around that corner for the computers.
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[2:31] <IT_Sean> http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2444/dscn2392g.jpg
[2:31] <IT_Sean> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3845/dscn2388f.jpg
[2:31] <IT_Sean> ^ random recent photos. Quick & dirty previews, still postprocessing.
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[2:36] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - I can tell.
[2:36] <IT_Sean> Bite me. :p
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> You haven't added the "Hammertime" to the bottom of the signs in the first.
[2:37] <IT_Sean> Heh
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> What are these of?
[2:37] <IT_Sean> I got bored waiting for a train.
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> Well - other than the obvious - railways tations.
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[2:37] <IT_Sean> It's the Bourne End rail station, in Buckinghamshire.
[2:38] <ReggieUK> I knew it wsa a station and in britain
[2:38] <IT_Sean> I missed the train back to my hotel after work, and had to wait about an hour for the next one. Had my point & shoot with me, so...
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> 'Real photographers have a camera with them at all times, so they don't take pictures'.
[2:39] <IT_Sean> O.o
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[2:40] * SpeedEvil wishes that microcontrollers with the serial camerabus on were available.
[2:40] * ReggieUK wants to know what the serial camera bus is......
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[2:41] * ReggieUK wishes digic IV sensors were cheap
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_interface
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> hmm - this is a horrible page
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> CSI-2
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> the interface used on most mobile phone cameras.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-MP-Camera-Replacement-Repair-Parts-Nokia-N8-New-/251009951585?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item3a715be761 - I can think of all sorts of fun things to do with this and a teeny micro
[2:44] <ReggieUK> I wish someone would hurry up and give me a new phone
[2:45] <ReggieUK> this n95 just won't die
[2:45] <ReggieUK> and I want to harvest it's organs
[2:45] <ReggieUK> from memory it's all spring loaded in there
[2:45] <ReggieUK> so all the major components aren't actually soldered in
[2:46] <IT_Sean> O.o
[2:46] <ReggieUK> like camera, gps, speakers
[2:46] <SpeedEvil> The camera is essentially useless.
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[2:46] <SpeedEvil> Unless you have something that can do CSI2
[2:47] <IT_Sean> But the GPS receiver! You can do ALL sorts of things with that.
[2:47] <ReggieUK> indeed
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: No, you can't.
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> It's not the GPS reciever that's on springs - it's the antenna
[2:47] <ReggieUK> oh?
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> Which is a ceramic antenna, and rather useless
[2:47] <Henchman21> i have an estimated ship date of apr3 i wonder if it will ship then
[2:47] <Da|Mummy> no
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> (for other than connecting to a 'rpoper' GPS
[2:47] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, you know too much and have pissed on my fire :D
[2:48] <ReggieUK> that means all that junk moves down the list now
[2:48] <IT_Sean> Never wee on a fire. It smells awful.
[2:48] <ReggieUK> below 'get a device with csi2'
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> Well - in principle, the PI has one.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> But - there are ovbious questions on if it can actually be used.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> Plus - the connections to the camera are pure bastards.
[2:49] <ReggieUK> such as?
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> It's connected 'to the GPU' (probably to some other functional unit.
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> It needs at teh least complex configuration.
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[2:50] <SpeedEvil> This is in addition to work out what you need to configure teh camera registers to to actually get an image out, even before you can take pics.
[2:50] <ReggieUK> I did some messing around with a webcam
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[2:50] <ReggieUK> I know it sounds like the wrong tech but bear with me
[2:51] <ReggieUK> philips webcam and filled with philips ICs
[2:51] <ReggieUK> everything spi/i2c
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> Way old. :)
[2:51] <ReggieUK> I know the sensors can be removed and 'better' black and white ones put in their place
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> It's all pretty much integrated now, and high speed serial busses are vastly more common than parallel busses which were annoying but somewhat plausible to deal with.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> IT's possible to deal with a device that can output 10Mbytes/s of data onto 8 pins, with a clock without too much hastle. It's annoying - sure.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> It's _much_ more annoying when that is across 4 pins on a high speed serial bus.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> As you're basically now looking at a FPGA or a specialised chip.
[2:52] <ReggieUK> fpga being most likely atm?
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> Yes, as you can't generally get the chips.
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[2:57] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17503395
[2:57] <ReggieUK> cameron hit the bottom of the mariana trench
[2:57] <IT_Sean> saw that
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[2:59] <IT_Sean> I'm off
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[3:02] <ReggieUK> bye
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[3:06] <Mrkva> wow, free voice!
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[5:43] <Hooded> where is the the walking dead channel
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[5:44] <huene> !w
[5:44] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 5??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%.
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[7:54] <techman2> afternoon
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
[8:02] <techman2> how's things?
[8:03] <shirro> arvo techman2. how's life out west treating you today?
[8:04] <techman2> not bad thanks shirro
[8:04] <techman2> kinda glad not to be in qld after the election!
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[8:04] <shirro> gerrymander
[8:04] <techman2> how about yourself?
[8:05] <shirro> tired. wish I was compiling kernels on wifes computer but she needs it for school reports
[8:05] <techman2> oh
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[8:05] <techman2> what are you compiling kernels on then?
[8:05] <shirro> something slower than an Atom
[8:06] <shirro> that fits in the palm of my hand
[8:07] <techman2> ahhh
[8:07] <techman2> your quick start arrived?
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[8:08] <shirro> slow start more like it. semi-abandoned vender kernel, hardware revision. hardly anything works in mainline. stupid boot scheme. no hardfloat versions of the closed source libs. Other than that it is great. At least I have root on a SATA now and can talk to it by SSH from a comfy chair
[8:09] <techman2> heh
[8:09] <techman2> sounds like a barrel of fun
[8:10] <shirro> It is no threat to the Pi in the GPU stakes.
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[8:10] <techman2> yeah the GPU in the pi has got a lot of grunt from what I have read
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[8:11] <techman2> have you read this talk of the initital 10k being held off/merged into a bigger batch?
[8:11] <shirro> This thing looks as if it will play h264 in hd ok but the GL examples aren't very impressive
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[8:12] <shirro> kind of makes sense. distributors don't want to deal with whining me too calls.
[8:12] <techman2> I'm just taking a wait and see approach, there's really zero truth out there atm.
[8:13] <shirro> I don't think they are being deceptive. They just don't have anything to communicate.
[8:13] <techman2> I know
[8:14] <techman2> I'm not saying they are, I just think atm all the talk is rumor.
[8:14] <techman2> someone posted on the forum that they got an october ETA from E14 APAC
[8:14] <techman2> and initital ones will be july
[8:14] <techman2> so who knows.
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[8:16] <techman2> I'm eyeing off an efika mx a bit more now
[8:17] <techman2> is there any flash support?
[8:17] <shirro> I am going off ARM a bit. We don't realise how spoilt we are with the relatively open standards in the Intel world
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[8:17] <shirro> I hate flash
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[8:17] <shirro> No flash is a feature
[8:18] <techman2> so do I but I plan on using it for a fair bit of youtube
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[8:19] <shirro> techman2: go intel
[8:19] <techman2> yeah I am thinking a cheap laptop may be the go in the end.
[8:19] <techman2> probably something E-450 based.
[8:20] <shirro> these arm soc vendors are seriously screwing themselves with the mess of unmaintainable kernel forks and blobs. it is bloody amateur hour compared with the Intel/AMD world.
[8:21] <SpeedEvil> It's a hugely differnet space.
[8:21] <techman2> yeah it's unfortunately like that
[8:21] <techman2> they're all protecting IP.
[8:21] <SpeedEvil> Your market looks very different when you have 10 customers.
[8:22] <shirro> you buy an arm based product like a GPS or a tv and you don't care if it isn't updatable. As a general purpose computer it sucks for a distro not to be able to run in 2 years because it depends o kernel features that aren't available in the vendor kernel
[8:22] <SpeedEvil> I'm coming from a place wehre I really want a SDK for my microwave.
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[8:24] <shirro> SpeedEvil: opening up hardware for tinkering/repurposing is good but not a big priority I suspect. If these SoC vendors expect to take on Intel and more general purpose computing they are going to have to change. It shouldn't take days of research configuring and patching a kernel.
[8:24] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I totally agree.
[8:25] <SpeedEvil> But the space of retail ARM 'motherboards' is very different from - say - tablet
[8:26] <shirro> Yeah, but if I was an engineer designing automotive products I wouldn't want to be using this PoS. The hardware seems really cool but it is let down by the whole software side of things. I think I would rather strap a nuclear reactor onboard and use an Intel radiator.
[8:27] <des2> Which is why if you want a hackable computer you don't get an Arm based one.
[8:27] <SpeedEvil> shirro: And any engineer that feels that way gets fired.
[8:27] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Because if the arm part is $2 cheaper, and you're making 100K of them...
[8:29] <SpeedEvil> It only really is likely to change, if there becomes an ecosystem of competing devices.
[8:29] <SpeedEvil> So users can choose to buy the one with better support. As happens - at least to a degree - with motherboards for intel
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[8:35] <techman2> is the allwinner ARM stuff open?
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[8:35] <shirro> more to the point is it any good (suspect not)
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[8:37] <techman2> I have no idea
[8:37] <techman2> I do remember reading somewhere that IPC is not great
[8:37] <techman2> although how true it is I am not sure.
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[8:41] <techman2> I am wondering if any of the factory pics liz mentioned are going to get posted up
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[8:44] <shirro> I want to see the skiing gore pics
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[8:45] <techman2> no thanks :P
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[8:46] <techman2> liz posted this to twitter yesterday: "Eben's keynote starts in a few mins. #bbc30 We'll be putting some factory pics on the Raspberry Pi here on display afterwards."
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[8:48] <des2> I don't care about pics. Where are the 10,000 PIs now and what's happening to them?
[8:48] <Da|Mummy> they vaporized
[8:48] <techman2> they've been assimilated with the new NSA datacenter?
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[8:50] <Da|Mummy> theyre being checked for radiation before theyre allowed to be shipped?
[8:51] <shirro> techman2: they are being retrofitted with surveillance devices in the factory so the NSA can take over the pirate balloons to spy on freedom lovers everywhere
[8:51] <techman2> shirro: most likely.
[8:52] <SpeedEvil> I noted earlier that if the previous versions haven't been CE tested, to see about radiated and conducted EMI - then it's quite likely this batch will not pass.
[8:53] <SpeedEvil> Which brings a whole new round of pain.
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[8:54] <shirro> SpeedEvil: the bare board on my desk wouldn't pass either.
[8:55] <shirro> It might have before I plugged 8 antennas into it
[8:57] <shirro> Back in the old days a radio next to your computer was the only way to get sound out of it.
[8:59] <shirro> My theory: we are all waiting for the t-shirt designs to be finished and printed.
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[9:13] <des2> Cell phones already spy on everyone, they don't need PIs for that.
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[9:17] <techman2> true
[9:19] <des2> I hope they've tested for EMI before producing 10,000.
[9:19] <des2> Be kind of embarassing if they have to do a redesign.
[9:23] <PaulFertser> Guys, reading the last blogpost at raspberrypi.org i still can't figure what exactly it's supposed to mean. If the distries asked them to "bring it forward" does it necessarily mean that they refuse to distribute the units without the test results or without the certificate or does it mean nothing in terms of distribution the current batch?
[9:23] <PaulFertser> Is it really that cryptic or am i reading it wrong?
[9:24] <Da|Mummy> its called "cover your own ass"
[9:24] <SpeedEvil> I assume it means that they were planning to do this for the next batch
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[9:24] <SpeedEvil> But the disties are not willing to distribute this batch without testing
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[9:25] <PaulFertser> Can anyone pastebin the "email they???ve received from RS Components, talking about compliance testing"?
[9:25] <PaulFertser> Probably i'm just missing the context.
[9:25] <Da|Mummy> because theres massive popularity in rpi, and casual users are interested in them, its best for them to carry out the testing so they dont get sued over it
[9:25] <des2> Apparently RS and Farnell want the boards tested now.
[9:25] <SpeedEvil> The issue is not users suing.
[9:25] <SpeedEvil> It's competitors
[9:25] <des2> Because they want the ability to sell them as finished retail units.
[9:26] <des2> Which requires them to pass certification.
[9:26] <PaulFertser> That sounds too strange: if they agreed to distribute the Pis, they knew in advance there's no certificate available.
[9:26] <Da|Mummy> no
[9:26] <SpeedEvil> If a competitor can cause a trading standards investigation, then they are found to have sold them without CE - farnell/RS are probably on the hook
[9:26] <Da|Mummy> in many cases, theyre not even asked or required
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[9:26] <Da|Mummy> like the beagleboard, theres no CE on that thing
[9:26] <des2> Instead of being certified only when the educational units are produced.
[9:26] <PaulFertser> Both farnell and RS are selling plenty of development equipment that is not subject to the said certification.
[9:26] <Da|Mummy> because its a developers thingy and theyre not interested in selling to "users"
[9:27] <SpeedEvil> It may be that the Pi is thought to be much more consumer-ready.
[9:27] <SpeedEvil> I mean - they've had about 10 spots on BBC programs I listen to, for example.
[9:27] <PaulFertser> If it's sold as a devoloper unit, it's a developer unit and hence doesn't need certification. What's wrong in this statement?
[9:27] <SpeedEvil> That does not scream 'dev platform only'
[9:27] <des2> Yes but many organization can only buy certified devices.
[9:27] <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: It may be legally wrong.
[9:27] <Da|Mummy> whats wrong is that "johnny-13-year-old wants one as well"
[9:28] <PaulFertser> Ok, let's assume that it is. Why Liz doesn't write explicitely something like "The actual distribution is on hold until we provide the distributors at least some preliminary EMC testing results" if she really means it?
[9:29] <Da|Mummy> virtually any electronic device you have in your house went through the same testing, this is nothing new
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[9:29] <SpeedEvil> Because she's worried that it may not actually pass?
[9:29] <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: and what if it doesn't, will it mean RS/Farnell distribute it anyway? :)
[9:29] <SpeedEvil> And wants to spin it as 'factory left off EMC components' in the future?
[9:29] <des2> Because Liz is a fan or Nostradamos ?
[9:29] <des2> of
[9:29] <Da|Mummy> PaulFertser: once again, its a case of "cover your own ass"
[9:30] <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: In principle - actual jailtime, or serious fines for farnell/RS
[9:30] <Da|Mummy> theyre welcome to distribute, but if shit hits the fan, theyre in the middle of it
[9:30] <PaulFertser> I do not like cryptic public blog posts. Just say what you really mean, damn!
[9:30] <SpeedEvil> The distie is on the hook for distributing non CE marked stuff.
[9:30] <des2> Certified devices have a larger market than uncertified.
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[9:31] <des2> Some places can't purchase uncertified devices.
[9:32] <Winslow> So do they have a supply of boards they are just waiting for the compliance testing?
[9:32] <des2> Q - Does this mean further unanticipated delays to shipping?
[9:32] <Da|Mummy> yes it does des2
[9:32] <des2> Liz - At this point, we simply don?t know. We?ll let you know as soon as we do.
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[9:39] <Anppa> btw, which one is it, "dev boards are allowed to break CE specs" or "it is enough for a dev board that it is believed to be in compliance without testing"
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> Neither.
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> Any device sold to end users has to be CEd, if it's a complete system.
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[9:40] <Anppa> assuming that a dev board isn't one
[9:40] <SpeedEvil> It probably is.
[9:40] <des2> European rules are pretty strict now.
[9:40] <SpeedEvil> I was reading these laws as they came in - so my understanding is a little rusty by now. I don't believe the basics have changed though.
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[9:41] <Anppa> I think CE rules evolved from a statement of compliance to mandatory verification
[9:41] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[9:42] <Da|Mummy> as said, beagleboard still sold without CE
[9:42] <des2> You can self certify CE
[9:42] <SpeedEvil> Used to be you could comply by showing a 'techncial construction file' - which could be why you believe it's OK.
[9:42] <des2> But you have to do testing in you want to CYA.
[9:42] <SpeedEvil> This can just be 'because it's a battery and a bulb' - and that's fine.
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> But if you've got stuff with fast high-speed clocks in an un-shielded case, with off-board connectors - well.
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> 'I think it will pass' isn't enough.
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> You need to test.
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> afk
[9:44] <PaulFertser> I wonder how come they first agreed to distribute it without asking for the certification and now suddenly decided to step back.
[9:45] <Da|Mummy> they didnt expect this much interest
[9:45] <Da|Mummy> and demand
[9:45] <PaulFertser> They knew the size of the first batch well in advance.
[9:46] <Da|Mummy> and they received another 0 added to that number in demand
[9:47] <PaulFertser> It feels like they first agreed to distribute the first batch without certification but now they break the agreement, and i can't see how the demand can justify it.
[9:48] <Da|Mummy> i keep trying to give you the beagleboard as an example
[9:48] <Da|Mummy> but you wont listen
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[9:49] <SpeedEvil> Da|Mummy: Some devices are a lot more visible than others.
[9:49] <Da|Mummy> which is what im trying to explain
[9:49] <drazyl> having farnell and rs involved may simply have changed the plan
[9:49] <PaulFertser> Da|Mummy: sorry, but i can't get your example and how it's related to the agreement made.
[9:49] <SpeedEvil> ah - nvm - missed that
[9:49] <Da|Mummy> there was no agreement!
[9:49] <PaulFertser> Da|Mummy: how do you tell?
[9:50] <PaulFertser> Do you mean RS and Farnell agreed to distribute Pi without knowing it has no certification papers ready?
[9:50] <Da|Mummy> because nobody makes an agreement/contract to NOT do CE certifications
[9:50] <PaulFertser> Without checking even?
[9:50] <Da|Mummy> yes, they have hundreds of items on their sites that im sure have never done any CE testing
[9:51] <des2> The original plan was to not do certification until the educational version (with case) was released.
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[9:52] <PaulFertser> I think when a distributor signs a contract with a manufacturer it actually checks that all the needed papers are there. So it looks like they actually agreed to distribute the boards without certification back then. And now seem to have they suddenly changed their minds.
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[9:53] <stevepdp> morning folks
[9:54] <techman2> I don't think it really matters.
[9:54] <PaulFertser> des2: yes, that's what i'm tryng to say. It looks like the distries were fine with this original plan.
[9:54] <[Si]> Good morning :)
[9:54] <techman2> wahtever happens, the boards won't be out anytime soon.
[9:54] <techman2> whatever even
[9:54] <Da|Mummy> there
[9:54] <Da|Mummy> end of story
[9:55] <des2> So I wonder what happens to the 10,000 if they fail compliance testing.
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[9:56] <Da|Mummy> rpif can sell them themselves
[9:56] <techman2> what are the chances of them not passing?
[9:56] <Da|Mummy> unlikely
[9:56] * des2 hands techman2 a coin.
[9:56] <techman2> that's what I would have thought
[9:57] <techman2> but I'm no expert in the area that's for sure.
[9:57] <PaulFertser> Given the memory is not far away from the SoC (it's right on top actually) and there're no other high-speed buses around, it should probably pass.
[9:57] <des2> Here's the problem
[9:57] <des2> Even if they were tested previously, the factory is using different parts now.
[9:58] <des2> So that may cause different results.
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[9:59] <techman2> what different parts?
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[9:59] <des2> The connectors seem to be mostly different.
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[9:59] <Ben64> so no pi this year?
[10:00] <des2> Not just the ethernet jack, the audio and rca video.
[10:00] <des2> I wonder if those have passed flamability testing.
[10:00] <techman2> I know they've used a different crystal.
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[10:01] <Ben64> they keep talking and not releasing product
[10:01] <Ben64> its annoying
[10:01] <stevepdp> I do know that the first 2000 ish boards are in transit to the UK.
[10:01] <techman2> stevepdp: how do you know that?
[10:01] <des2> The annoying thing is how the RPF seems to always release info after the fact.
[10:01] <stevepdp> because it was said so in Eben Upton's talk at Beeb@30
[10:02] <stevepdp> yesterday
[10:02] <des2> God forbid they could post something like that on the website.
[10:02] <techman2> ahh
[10:02] <techman2> were you there?
[10:03] <stevepdp> yes, it was awesome :-)
[10:03] <techman2> did you see the factory pics liz mentioned?
[10:03] <stevepdp> yup
[10:04] <stevepdp> it's all very real and legitimate, and definitely NOT a sweat shop.
[10:04] <techman2> was it decent?
[10:04] <techman2> I hope they put the pics up
[10:04] <des2> Were the workers over 13 years old ?
[10:05] <stevepdp> I hope so too, but I'm there may be legal ramifications in doing so, I'm not sure.
[10:05] <stevepdp> *but there may be
[10:05] <techman2> I figured she would be since she mentioned it on twitter.
[10:05] <techman2> but who knows.
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[10:07] <techman2> was it a decent size?
[10:08] <stevepdp> to be honest, I couldn't quite tell. I was at a fair distance and the viewing angle on Eben's laptop wasn't very good.
[10:08] <techman2> fair enough
[10:08] <stevepdp> the shots I remember seeing were close ups of people working on boards
[10:09] <techman2> resoldering ethernet jacks? ;)
[10:09] <stevepdp> perhaps ;-)
[10:09] <techman2> heh
[10:09] <techman2> did they give out any other info?
[10:10] <stevepdp> nothing that isn't already public knowledge
[10:10] <techman2> figures.
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[10:11] <techman2> so did they say where those 2k were destined to go to?
[10:12] <stevepdp> well, they explained that the boards would arrive at one of the trustees houses, and then move on to the suppliers for shipping.
[10:12] <stevepdp> Jack, iirc, who I unfortunately didn't get the chance to speak to.
[10:12] <stevepdp> Jack Lang, that's it.
[10:12] * techman2 imagines hordes of desperate geeks outside all the trustees houses mobbing any freight truck that comes near
[10:13] <techman2> cool
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[10:14] <stevepdp> I'm not sure about how the whole CE certification fits into that.
[10:14] <techman2> don
[10:14] <techman2> don't know
[10:15] <stevepdp> one thing I was quite taken back by, was how disappointed Eben and Liz were about the Fedora image.
[10:15] <techman2> yes it does seem rather buggy
[10:15] <stevepdp> there's now a push to improve the Debian image
[10:15] <techman2> and it has been the distro they've been supporting all along
[10:15] <stevepdp> and the RaspberryPi Filling effort
[10:16] <techman2> ?
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[10:16] <techman2> the what?
[10:16] <stevepdp> oh yeah, I'm very pleased to see it's going to be Debian
[10:16] <stevepdp> my understanding is that RaspberryPi Filling is the name of the new distro effort
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[10:18] <stevepdp> which includes writing the software, pressing good software that already exists into the distro etc
[10:18] <stevepdp> Scratch for example
[10:18] <stevepdp> there was so much love for Scratch there :-)
[10:19] <stevepdp> some other things to note which are quite interesting,
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[10:20] <stevepdp> during the second half of the main panel, with all the Acorn team and some BBC folks,
[10:21] <stevepdp> there was a real desire to have the BBC use their resources to push something like the RaspberryPi and in general a new creativity focused curriculum
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[10:21] <techman2> sounds good
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[10:22] <stevepdp> nothing's set in stone, but something surely must come out of that event.
[10:22] <techman2> hopefully
[10:24] <stevepdp> I was honestly hoping the BBC to use Beeb@30 as a venue to announce something.
[10:24] <techman2> it's funny to think that 2k pis is less than 1% of demand
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[10:24] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/post-your-estimated-arrival-dates/page-22#p57963
[10:24] <zgreg> wow.
[10:25] <zgreg> end of october?!
[10:26] <Da|Mummy> did say which year
[10:26] <Da|Mummy> didnt*
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[10:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:27] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 8??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later 17??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:28] <techman2> any info from Element 14 APAC is a complete guess in my experience.
[10:28] <hotwings> october ship date?........wow, and not in a good way
[10:28] <techman2> they're now saying first orders will be shipped in July.
[10:29] <hotwings> god damn
[10:30] <hotwings> my newark expected ship date still shows april 2 and april 3
[10:30] <Ticho> it's the big corporations, man! they're slowing everything down behind the scenes to stifle competition! peace out!
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[10:31] <techman2> hotwings: you might want to confirm that with them.
[10:31] <zgreg> techman2: right, but that they're putting out any date so far in the future is alarming
[10:32] <zgreg> farnell germany also told me august
[10:32] <zgreg> and I ordered very early on launch day
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[10:33] <techman2> zgreg: I ordered from the APAC site 2 hours after launch. I'm told July. :|
[10:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> zgreg how early was early
[10:33] <zgreg> it's interesting the fedora remix is doing so badly, I wonder why?
[10:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> 8:19 UTC was my date on the
[10:33] <Ben64> they're never coming out
[10:33] <lennard> I ordered some 5-6 hours after launch I think, farnell nl (or sometimes UK?) keeps telling me may
[10:33] <zgreg> RaTTuS|BIG: as early as possible, given the DoSed servers
[10:33] <Ben64> its been a month since "launch" and they don't exist yet
[10:33] <zgreg> RaTTuS|BIG: maybe 2 hours after launch
[10:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> what time on the confirmation email
[10:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> i.e. mine says :- Your Order no: 29/02/2012 08:19.
[10:35] <techman2> Element 14's site has listed lead time on stock as 143 days.... for the last 3 weeks or so.
[10:35] <hotwings> theyre going to lose a ton of interest if they really cant deliver these things until then
[10:36] <techman2> naturally.
[10:36] <Ben64> yep they failed
[10:36] <lennard> 29/02/2012 11:15
[10:36] <zgreg> RaTTuS|BIG: let's see...
[10:38] <zgreg> the mail says 07:45
[10:39] <techman2> my order got in at 8:06am GMT
[10:39] <des2> Especially is someone produces something comparable in the meantime.
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[10:39] * des2 grabs the Lucky charms.
[10:39] <RaYmAn> des2: "comparable" - the hard part is making something comparable at that price point =P
[10:39] <techman2> I don't know if that will happen
[10:40] <des2> People here are already buying $100+ beagleboards and pandaboards as a result of the delay.
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[10:40] <RaYmAn> I doubt rpi would have had anywhere near as many orders if the price was higher.
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[10:41] <zgreg> stevepdp: do you know in etail what's so wrong aout the fedora remix?
[10:41] <stevepdp> not in detail, unfortunately.
[10:41] <des2> Has fedora gotten java to work yet ?
[10:41] <RaYmAn> des2: sure..but tbh, not really comparable.. They are much more powerful, a bit bigger and use more power =P
[10:42] <des2> Cause I know they were having aproblem with it.
[10:42] <stevepdp> just that it was a very buggy image, which is quite typical of recent Fedora releases imo.
[10:42] <RaYmAn> people who buy a pandaboard or beagleboard because of the delays with Rpi, either didn't know about pandaboard/beagleboard before ordering or they are just being silly.
[10:42] <zgreg> stevepdp: yes, but the remix was based on an old version of fedora
[10:42] <stevepdp> des2, does OpenJDK/OpenJRE not work?
[10:44] <des2> I don't know I read their progress report a couple of weeks ago and they were missing the java stuff still.
[10:44] <stevepdp> my feeling is that Fedora's QA criteria is quite low.
[10:44] <stevepdp> and it's been that way for years
[10:44] <stevepdp> I used to use it full time back around the Fedora Core days
[10:44] <zgreg> that's right, and that is why I avoid it typically
[10:45] <zgreg> no matter what the fedora people and redhat say, it very much looks like fedora is an RHEL testbed
[10:47] <stevepdp> they do bring a lot of value to free/open source software
[10:47] <stevepdp> but I couldn't recommend Fedora to friends and newcomers
[10:48] <Ben64> i switched away from redhat long ago due to rpm/yum
[10:50] <zgreg> what is about baffling about the fedora remix for raspberry pi is that they used an old version as a base that is *not supported anymore*
[10:50] <zgreg> e.g. no bugfixes and no security fixed by the fedora team
[10:53] <zgreg> that probably should have raised some eyebrows to start with
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[11:07] <conra> hello
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[11:21] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[11:23] <mattwj2002> any idea when RaspberryPi will be available in the US?
[11:23] <Ben64> never
[11:23] <mattwj2002> what?
[11:23] <mattwj2002> O_o
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[11:23] <mattwj2002> what do you mean never ben64?
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[11:24] <Ben64> its never coming out
[11:24] <mattwj2002> in the US or anywhere?
[11:24] <Ben64> anywhere
[11:24] <Mrkva> :D
[11:25] <mattwj2002> yeah right
[11:25] <mattwj2002> :P
[11:25] <Ben64> almost a month after release and they don't exist still
[11:26] <zgreg> oh, the delay is not that bad
[11:26] <zgreg> it's just that the outlook appears to be really dim
[11:27] <Ben64> they "released" without having any in reality
[11:27] <zgreg> the distributors announce delay after delay after delay, every time with new excuses
[11:27] <Ben64> and they still are non existent
[11:27] <zgreg> new problems turn up
[11:27] <zgreg> etc.
[11:27] <urs> Ben64: oh they "have" them.
[11:27] <Ben64> theres no reason to expect them to ever exist
[11:27] <urs> Except they were broken.
[11:27] <Ben64> yeah that doesn't count\
[11:27] <urs> And now they can't be sold in the EU without compliance testing
[11:28] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/please-update-site-tag-line-to-replace-box-with-board-and-25-with-35
[11:28] <Mrkva> urs: what? they can
[11:28] <zgreg> woah.
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[11:28] <stevepdp> If you're passionate about the project, then you'll be patient and get involved in other ways.
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[11:28] <urs> Mrkva: well, yes, of course they can. But obvously RS and Farnell don't *want* to.
[11:29] <stevepdp> you're all typing on computers now, computers probably powerful enough to run a GNU/Linux distro of some kind
[11:29] <zgreg> I think the OP of this thread is raising a legitimate concern, and the admin does nothing but piss on it
[11:29] <Mrkva> urs: source?
[11:29] <urs> Mrkva: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/852
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[11:30] <mattwj2002> I don't care about the $25 one
[11:31] <mattwj2002> I want the $35 one anyways
[11:31] <mattwj2002> and $50 would be fine for that
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[11:31] <mattwj2002> I have a specific purpose for it
[11:31] <zgreg> yes, but the tagline is definitely misleading
[11:32] <Mrkva> urs: maybe I'm reading it wrong, but noone says "we're not selling RPi because of lack of CE"
[11:32] <mattwj2002> I want a pi for a 3D printer
[11:33] <mattwj2002> it can do something called slicing so I don't have to hook up a big computer to the printer
[11:33] <Mrkva> urs: and I'm pretty sure other "development boards" don't have CE as well
[11:33] <mattwj2002> it would my mine setup a lot cleaner
[11:34] <mattwj2002> *my
[11:34] <zgreg> Mrkva: it does not matter what the foundation and you think and want
[11:34] <zgreg> Mrkva: it's in the hands of the distributors, and they do not want to sell the pis without EMC testing
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[11:35] <zgreg> although liz sometimes talks like the foundation has everything under control, it seems to be far from the truth
[11:36] <zgreg> and I think that attitude is where some of the ill-will comes from.
[11:36] <Mrkva> zgreg: I know, I'm just saying that it should *not* be required
[11:37] <zgreg> for a long time before the launch, people were raising concerns about various things, and the answer always was the unison "everything is going dandy, acccording to plan"
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[11:47] <Mrkva> zgreg: yeah, although this happens more often than you think
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[12:49] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 14??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 48%, Later 17??C - 3??C. Condition: Clear.
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> Morning
[14:17] <drazyl> morning
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[14:22] <Matt> morning
[14:24] <urs> Good morning to you, people from the east coast of the us.
[14:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:25] <ironzorg> how about the others urs
[14:25] <ironzorg> that's discriminatory
[14:25] <urs> For all others: Happy universal greeting time!
[14:29] <Matt> and how about those of us who are in EDT, but aren't in the US? mm?
[14:30] <ironzorg> it's typically american not to care about the others Matt
[14:31] <Matt> that's rather my point
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[14:32] <Axman6> ironzorg: it's ok, we don't care about them either. Except when we wish they'd shut up
[14:33] <ironzorg> also, americans are likely to feed any troll they find
[14:33] <ironzorg> my duty here is over, bye
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[15:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[15:15] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 16??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 48%, Later 17??C - 5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> aircon broke in progamers half of office
[15:16] <IT_Sean> Sucks for them, then.
[15:16] <IT_Sean> !w
[15:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Mon Mar 26 16:53:00 2012. Temp 51??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 52%, Later 52??F - 25??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[15:16] <IT_Sean> :( cold and ick.
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[15:18] <victhor> did anyone ever post some estimation of the load on the 3.3V and 1.8V regulator
[15:18] * IT_Sean shrugs
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[15:19] <Bellagio_> !w
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[15:20] <victhor> I was trying to come up with a switch mode power supply, but without the power requirements for the board, it would be oversized and more expensive than it should
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[15:21] <ironzorg> !w
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[15:21] <ironzorg> won't tell me what the weather's like :<
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[15:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> ironzorg you need to tell it where you are
[15:22] <ironzorg> PiBot: I'm in France
[15:22] <ironzorg> jk
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[15:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> try a !help
[15:22] <ironzorg> !help
[15:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> pm the bot
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[15:22] <ironzorg> yea
[15:22] <ironzorg> cba ;)
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[15:22] <ironzorg> not that I can't look outside by myself :p
[15:27] <Matt> coffee is a rather tempting idea
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[15:31] * IT_Sean doesn't like coffee
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[15:32] <drazyl> I had a colleague who didn't like coffee
[15:32] <drazyl> we burned him at the stake
[15:34] <IT_Sean>
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> That seems a bit harsh, if you ask me.
[15:35] <drazyl> can't let the heresy spread
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[15:45] <zgreg> tea > coffee
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[15:46] <IT_Sean> Wot 'e said ^
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[15:48] <ocx> hi guys
[15:48] <ocx> is this product released?
[15:48] <zgreg> only in your wet dreams
[15:48] <drazyl> yes, but the ponies ate them all
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[15:48] <ocx> yea cant shop online!
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[15:49] <IT_Sean> ocx: nyet
[15:49] <ocx> anytime soon the product will be available?
[15:50] <ocx> and is it available to europe/asia?
[15:50] <drazyl> depends on the ponies
[15:50] <IT_Sean> the 1st batch was delayed. It will be available for order worldwide.
[15:50] <IT_Sean> drazyl: knock it off.
[15:50] <drazyl> no, it is UK only, you have to provide a scan of your passport
[15:50] <zgreg> bad ponies!
[15:50] <ocx> than kyou IT_Sean
[15:50] <IT_Sean> drazyl! :|
[15:50] <IT_Sean> you are wlecome, ocx
[15:50] <zgreg> ocx: you can sort of preorder at farnell or rs electronics
[15:50] <ocx> can you point me to some website?
[15:51] <IT_Sean> You can, as zgreg points out, preorder. But, it'll take a few months to get ot you.
[15:51] <zgreg> well, farnell.com obviously :)
[15:51] <ocx> thanks
[15:51] <ocx> one more question, do you think this chip can be used for running like soho systems?
[15:51] <ocx> ike a fileserver websserver etc
[15:51] <drazyl> yes
[15:51] <drazyl> but it's not going to perform hugely well as a fileserver
[15:51] <ocx> coz i see like 256mb of ram
[15:51] <ocx> yep
[15:52] <ocx> maybe samba would be a bit heavy on it
[15:52] <ocx> specially if storage points to usb drives
[15:52] <IT_Sean> It's not going to be fast.
[15:52] <drazyl> should all run fine, but disk performace over usb might be a bit rubbish
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[15:52] <drazyl> and you may struggle with php/mysql heavy websites
[15:52] <IT_Sean> aye, USB disk access, esp over a network, is going to be slooow
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[15:53] <ocx> but this cluster solution looks promising
[15:53] <ocx> like you can cluster many small chips together
[15:53] <Matt> io is still going to be a bottleneck
[15:53] <ocx> maybe load balance traffic :)
[15:54] <IT_Sean> IO will STILL be a bottleck.
[15:54] <Matt> doesn't matter how you load balance stuff, your IO throughput is still gonna be poor :)
[15:54] <ocx> yes correct
[15:54] <Matt> you've gotta read the data from disk *somewhere*
[15:54] <ocx> maybe clustering would help in increasing the access channels but not the throughput
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[15:55] <ocx> i actually heard today about raspberry while reading my linux format magazine
[15:55] <ocx> exciting technology
[15:55] <drazyl> clustering would help if each system has the same data on independent storage
[15:55] <IT_Sean> Keep in mind that your ethernet and USB are on the same bus, so, using both at the same time (as you would w/ a fileserver) will be slooooow.
[15:55] <drazyl> the you could load balance across them
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[16:17] <mkopack> Hey gang??? New Gertboard looks nice??? Not sure yet if I'll bother getting one though. Seems like I'd be able todo the same stuff through a combo of RPi+Arduino Uno that I already have
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[17:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://connecteddigitalworld.com/2012/03/26/a-slice-of-raspberry-pi-at-beeb30/
[17:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> 1950 RPi's somewhere over siberia
[17:03] <Hopsy> hey when I say evolution, what is the first thing you are thinking of?
[17:03] <PaulFertser> Oh, Eben is beardless, what a creep!
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[17:07] <zgreg> clustering with small ARM boards isn't worth the effort, except for shits and giggles
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[17:07] <mkopack> greg: yeah, except maybe for learning how to do things with Beowulf, not much point
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[17:16] <tero> speaking about clustering(and we ignore that this would not be economical) how can we actually do this in practice?
[17:16] <tero> i mean with r-pi?
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> stuff a bunch of rpi's into a Network Switch ...
[17:17] <IT_Sean> Wheeeelp... you COULD do it via IP. But, that would be Not Quick.
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> all depends on what you want to do ...
[17:17] <drazyl> what sort of clustering
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can connect them all via the GPio's
[17:18] <mkopack> sean: Why would that be any worse than doing x86 clustering over IP?
[17:18] <tero> well.. how about I just want to know stuff about clusterin from a educational pint of view :)
[17:18] <rm> > For those who are interesting, theirs is board number 7!
[17:18] <rm> I wonder am I interesting enough
[17:18] <IT_Sean> heh.... Educational pint of view. :p
[17:18] <tero> sorry
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Bottoms up!!
[17:18] <tero> I must clean my laptop keyboard
[17:18] <tero> :)
[17:18] <tero> and english is not my first langauge...
[17:19] <tero> so sorry about tpyos
[17:19] <tero> :P
[17:19] <IT_Sean> As said, you could do it via IP. You could also link two (or more?) raspis via the GPIO.
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[17:19] <mkopack> Sean: Thinking via I2C ?
[17:20] <mkopack> Or a shared serial bus?
[17:20] <Mrkva> GPIO will probably be wayyyy slooow
[17:20] <mkopack> I would think the IP based solution would be the most standard and straightforward
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[17:20] <Mrkva> and I think clustering via etherenet (just a few nodes) would be amazing to learn parallel programming on
[17:21] <mkopack> "1,950 Raspberry Pi???s were at that moment somewhere over Siberia and should be in the UK either Monday or Tuesday!" I sure hope there's a lot more than 1950!!!! Like, if 1950 are going to the UK, but there are more going to other countries, ok...
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[17:22] <Mrkva> mkopack: well, Farnell ships from UK to the most of the Europe
[17:22] <mkopack> Then damn, I hope they have a LOT more on the way soon!
[17:22] <mkopack> 1950 is pathetic!
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[17:23] <Mrkva> first batch was 10k boards, if we divide Farnell/RS 5k/5k I think it could be correct
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[17:24] <mkopack> Well that would mean there's a good number of other boards heading to other places then
[17:25] <drazyl> <dailymail>damn foreigners, stealing our boards</dailymail>
[17:25] <Mrkva> or maybe this is just a first part that got ethernet jacks changed
[17:25] <tero> hm
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[17:26] <tero> i am betting that a lot of this boards are getting to ebay with "special" price
[17:26] <tero> :)
[17:26] <Mrkva> yeah
[17:27] <Anppa> put to educational use for studying supply and demand
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[17:28] <mkopack> Eh, Ebay is more hassle than it's worth IMO
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[17:28] <mkopack> Althoguh, I have a friend that does ebay selling on the side and he make enough to cover the payment on an M3 every month from it
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[17:30] <drazyl> I have a friend who earns a living from ebay and amazon, quite a good one too
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[17:32] <hotwings> i too have a friend who profits from ebay.. he uses it to fund his obsession with baseball cards
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[17:40] <zgreg> mkopack: "1,950 Raspberry Pi???s were at that moment somewhere over Sibera..." <-- and then plane crashed
[17:40] <zgreg> *the
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[17:41] <Mrkva> lol
[17:41] <Mrkva> I wouldn't be surprised
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[17:41] <Anppa> Pi-lot crash landed :]
[17:43] <mkopack> LOL
[17:43] <mkopack> Baked Pi!
[17:43] <Mrkva> anywys
[17:44] <IT_Sean>
[17:44] <IT_Sean> Oven Warm Pi?
[17:44] <mkopack> Baked and then frozen to lock in the freshness
[17:44] <Mrkva> I think the actual shipping depends on if RS/Frnl will ship even without complicance testing - that article on homepage is really not clear
[17:46] <Mrkva> personally, I really don't care about RFI. I have a device that crashes my laptop two meters away :)
[17:47] <acfrazier> has anyone got one yet :P
[17:47] <IT_Sean> Only the people that bought the ebay'd beta boards have raspis
[17:47] <acfrazier> :(
[17:47] <IT_Sean> And devlopers that got beta boards.
[17:47] <Anppa> glad I didn't order a pi since it seems to be airplane food :/
[17:47] <drazyl> and the chinese clone manufacturers
[17:47] <IT_Sean> No production boards have been delivered to customers yet.
[17:47] * acfrazier wishes he was an important developer
[17:47] * acfrazier is a developer, but evidently not important
[17:48] <zgreg> the hard part is deciding who is important
[17:48] * IT_Sean is important
[17:48] <Mrkva> anyways, it still looks better than AI Touchbook :D
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[17:48] <drazyl> no thats easy, its got to be whoever shouts loudest
[17:48] <zgreg> but 50 (?) boards for special developers won't cut it, I think
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[17:49] <zgreg> I'd be interested in accelerating X on the pi, but without a board...
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[17:50] <Caver> without a board?
[17:50] <IT_Sean> You'll have to wait a couple of months for delivery of production units to begin.
[17:50] <Caver> like as in writing a X driver for it?
[17:50] <zgreg> Caver: yes, without a board that is not possible, of course
[17:51] <Caver> a X driver that translates to OpenGL type stuff ought to come easily enough
[17:51] <Davespice> hi zgreg, do you have the knowledge and skill set for that? as I have a PDF which explains how to write the drive that is not much use to me
[17:51] <Davespice> driver*
[17:52] <zgreg> Caver: yes and no. in theory that's easy, but the devil is in the details. :)
[17:52] <Davespice> I'm offering to send the doc to you if you want it
[17:53] <Caver> as always thats what the dev release is for ... get all this resolved
[17:53] <zgreg> what kind of document do you have? the datasheet?
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[17:53] <Caver> OpenGL ES is a definned standard
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[17:53] <Davespice> no its an academic pdf which explains how the driver is written with some high level acritecture diagrams, it's only two pages long - but it describes how to implement an X server on top of EGL and OPen VG
[17:54] <Caver> http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/specs/2.0/es_full_spec_2.0.25.pdf
[17:54] <zgreg> Davespice: well, that's pretty simple
[17:54] <Davespice> no code examples though, which is a pain, it's written by an employee of Samsung
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[17:54] <Davespice> if you pm me your email address I'll bung it over to you
[17:55] <zgreg> but I think it'd be more interesting and universal to use opengl es
[17:55] <zgreg> is that paper not public?
[17:55] <Davespice> is that not the same as EGL?
[17:55] <Davespice> yes it is, although you need a password to download it, stand by I can get the URL
[17:56] <Davespice> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5012187
[17:56] <zgreg> egl is an abstraction layer for windowing systems, buffer management, etc.
[17:56] <zgreg> opengl es and openvg are implemented on top of egl
[17:56] <Davespice> ah okay I see
[17:56] <Davespice> well, that is the link to the document
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[17:58] <zgreg> heh I'm an ACM member, but IEEE seems to have the bigger library still
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[18:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> :-( I just lost the game
[18:20] <IT_Sean> which game would that be?
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[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.losethegame.com/
[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> you asked and now you cannot stop playing
[18:22] * IT_Sean didn't click
[18:22] * IT_Sean is at werk
[18:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> oh it is very work safe
[18:23] * IT_Sean isnt going to click
[18:23] <IT_Sean> It's one of those things that locks you into a seemingly endless string of error messages, isn't it?
[18:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
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[18:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://xkcd.com/391/ may help
[18:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh time for me to "hit the road"
[18:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> see you all in 16hrs or so
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[18:25] <IT_Sean> that was lame
[18:25] <IT_Sean> see you later RaTTuS|BIG
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, did you ping me ages ago?
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[18:28] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes yesterday but it wasn't urgent
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I seem to have gone into 24 hour hibernation... good sleep though
[18:29] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: just finished watching episode 1 through 5 of the miss fisher murder mysteries and wondered if there was any other good aussie mystery programmes i should look for
[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, nuh no idea.
[18:30] <mkopack> Shift: I wish I could! 2 of the last 4 nights I didn't get crap for sleep. I think the Claratin-D I've been taking for the damn pollen here has really screwed with my sleep
[18:30] <ukscone> i was surprised. the ms fisher tjings were pretty good almost bbc or itv quality programmes :)
[18:30] <Mrkva> I don't play the game :P
[18:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, haven't heard of it
[18:31] <Matt> ukscone: I happen to like the Murdoch Mysteries :)
[18:31] <Matt> canadian programme tho
[18:31] <philh> ukscone, what kind of equivalent bbc or itv programming would i have to have liked in the past to find this worthwhile?
[18:32] <ukscone> mrs bradley mysteries, inspector lynley....
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[18:33] <philh> hmm, maybe not, then
[18:33] <ukscone> i'm watching the 1976/7 ellery queen things with jim hutton atm
[18:33] <ukscone> well would be if the wife wasn't home sick
[18:33] <ukscone> as she is hogging the tv and i hate using headphones
[18:34] <mkopack> scone: hehe, just can't get a break and get the house to yourself huh?
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[18:35] <ukscone> mkopack: nope. oh well always tomorrow unless quack tells her not to go back to work this week
[18:35] <mkopack> hehe
[18:36] <mkopack> better than the alternative - coming home to an empty house EVERY night...
[18:36] <philh> the only thing of that sort that ever really appealed to me was jonathan creek
[18:37] <ukscone> philh: finished rewatching them a couple of weeks aho
[18:37] <ukscone> did creek, lovejoy, morse and lewis in the last month
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[18:40] <mkopack> YAy, just looked at my 401K balance??? Up nearly 15K since start of the year :)
[18:41] <IT_Sean> woot
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[18:41] <mkopack> nice seeing it go UP for a change??? after seeing it go DOWN even though I was putting money into it over the last 2
[18:41] <mkopack> years
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[18:43] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[18:43] <IT_Sean> NO
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[18:50] <philh> ukscone, heh, lovejoy, might be interesting to see how that's aged. morse's never done anything for me
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[19:46] <Gallomimia> oh where oh where has my piboard gone. oh where oh where could he be?
[19:46] <mkopack> Somewhere over Siberia apparently :)
[19:47] * IT_Sean shoves the crate of 10000 raspis behind a server rack, then wistles innocently
[19:47] <mkopack> hehe
[19:48] <mkopack> Newark still shows this friday ship date for mine
[19:48] <mkopack> So we'll see!
[19:49] <tero> my friend order from local farnnel(slovenia) whos shipping day...
[19:49] <tero> today
[19:49] <tero> :)
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[19:54] <mkopack> Yeah, hopeful that we'll start seeing reports of them arriving on doorsteps in the next week or so.
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[19:59] <IT_Sean> Bugger. It'll be a week before my new laptop even ships. :/
[19:59] <mkopack> doh
[19:59] <mkopack> whatchya getting?
[19:59] <IT_Sean> ThinkPad X220 convertable tablet.
[19:59] <mkopack> nice
[20:00] <IT_Sean> I optioned it as follows: 2.5 GHz i5 CPU. 4 gig DDR3 RAM. 720p webcam. Bluetooth 3.0. Intel N capable wifi card.
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[20:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you were one of those people who only buy Apple
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Normally, i only buy Apple. But, seeing as my laptops have, for the past 5 years, run Linux exclusivly, why pay more for the badge?
[20:01] <mkopack> Why only 4GB? Gonna update it yourself?
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[20:01] <hotwings> thinkpad.. do they still use the little red rubber nipple for a mouse?
[20:01] <mkopack> ah
[20:01] <IT_Sean> I NEVER buy RAM from the OEM.
[20:01] <mkopack> yeah, I usually don't either
[20:01] <mkopack> usually VERY overpriced
[20:01] <IT_Sean> hotwings: yes, they do. Although the X220 also has a trackpad, i believe.
[20:02] <ShiftPlusOne> 'only 4gb'
[20:02] <hotwings> i remember the red nipple working well actually.. ages ago when i owned a thinkpad
[20:02] <tero> thinkpad are still awesome!
[20:02] <mkopack> Hell, these days on an X86, I don't go for less than 8GB...
[20:02] <tero> after all this years
[20:02] <tero> !
[20:02] <IT_Sean> tero: agreed.
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[20:02] <IT_Sean> The ONLY non-apple laptop i would buy would be a tpad.
[20:02] <tero> i still have an "old" R61
[20:02] <tero> as my main computer
[20:02] <mkopack> (although my Macbook is like going on 5 yrs old and it's maxed out with 4GB??? only 3 of which are useable)
[20:02] <ShiftPlusOne> thinkpads haven't been awesome since the became Lenovo Thinkpad
[20:03] <tero> ShiftPlusOne well... it depends
[20:03] <IT_Sean> I have had a few T series TPads over time. My company laptop is an SL410, which isn't bad.
[20:03] <tero> the T series and new W are still awesome
[20:03] <mkopack> Remember the old 701c "butterfly" ???
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[20:03] <IT_Sean> I got a nice T series for free a few years ago. Still slightly regret selling it.
[20:03] <mkopack> The one with the keyboard that would expand as you opened the case?
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[20:03] <tero> actually I am buying a new thinkpad in a month or two :)
[20:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I am currently using 2.2GB of RAM with everything I need preloaded..... so since when is 4GB 'only'? =/ My laptop has 8GB, and I think that's completly useless... I use 4GB as ramdisk for gentoo to compile things on.
[20:04] <tero> any suggetions? :)
[20:04] <IT_Sean> X220 convertable tablet. :p
[20:04] <tero> lol no
[20:04] <mkopack> Shift: All depends on what you're using it for man
[20:04] <tero> i need a real laptop
[20:04] <IT_Sean> tero: It IS a real laptop! :p
[20:04] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what requires 8gb?
[20:04] <mkopack> I typically have 2-3 VM's going at a time on my machine here at work, so I need all the RAM I can get
[20:04] <IT_Sean> It's just also a tablet.
[20:04] <tero> not a 17 inch but 14 either
[20:04] <tero> 15 something
[20:05] <IT_Sean> My current laptop is 17".
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, VMs I can understand, but are you usin those VMs because you need to or because you have too much RAM so you may as well?
[20:05] <IT_Sean> But, it's also 9 years old.
[20:05] <tero> IT_Sean from my experience 17" is not a laptop anymore
[20:05] <tero> just to big
[20:06] * IT_Sean has never had a problem traveling with this 17" laptop
[20:06] <mkopack> Need to??? Host OS is OS-X, but F'ing corporate requires us to use Outlook for Mail ,so I have a full WinXP VM set up just for getting to the corporate email, and the project I'm currently on required Linux, so I have a full dev environment running on Ubuntu
[20:06] <IT_Sean> okay... i admit... it doesn't fit on an airline trey table. But, hell, neither does my company issue ThinkPad SL410.
[20:07] <mkopack> And sometimes I need to fire up a second Ubuntu to test my software since it's working with comms across the network between 2 machines.
[20:07] <mkopack> Sean: Hell, I've given up trying to use a laptop on an airplane??? I keep it in my bag and just use my iPad
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, fair enough. It just annoys me that my ex (who has very modest computing needs) was told my a store sales guy "well, typically you'd want around 4GB on a modern laptop, and since these are 64bit, you'd want to double that to 8GB".... I don't normally want to kick people in the face... but that guy... =/
[20:09] <rm> why not
[20:09] <rm> RAM is like $50 per 8GB stick
[20:10] <mkopack> Yeah, well, that's typical for sales guys???
[20:10] <mkopack> And yeah, like rm said, at the current prices, doesn't make much sense NOT to buy more than you think you'll need...
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> rm, not if you buy it from the same place you get your laptop as an 'upgrade'.
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[20:10] <mkopack> true
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[20:11] <rm> I wanted to get 4x8GB myself recently
[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> And the lines they gave when selling windows vista when that came out made me cringe even more =/
[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> then again, a lot of people use firefox, so 4x8GB makes sense.
[20:12] <rm> but gave up on waiting for availability of more than one brand in stock
[20:12] <rm> so just went with 4x4GB
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[20:14] <Dagger2> ... given that they only sell RAM in sizes that are powers of two, Crucial's size slider really needs to be logarithmic
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[20:15] <Dagger2> but no, instead it's linear from 1 to 64 GB, and 1-4 GB are squished into the left 3 pixels or so
[20:15] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[20:18] <piless> is it out yet?
[20:18] <piless> pls i neeed 2 kn0w
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[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
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[20:28] <des2> Yes it's out. It's over Siberia...
[20:28] * hotwings waits to hear how the shipment was accidently shot down by the serbian air force
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[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> serbia and siveria is the same thing now?
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> *siberia
[20:31] <mkopack> kinda like 1000 miles apart, aren't they?
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[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> miles..... =/ what's that in real units?
[20:34] <IT_Sean> about 1000 miles
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> you can't just make up units like 'miles'
[20:35] <mkopack> 1400 Kilometers
[20:36] <IT_Sean> Fine
[20:36] <mkopack> roughly
[20:36] <IT_Sean> It's about 945,600 Smoots
[20:36] <Matt> nowt wrong with miles
[20:36] <IT_Sean> And i did NOT make that up.
[20:37] <Matt> they're a nice unit if you consider an average speed of 60mph isn't that hard to obtain on the motorway
[20:37] <hotwings> siberia.. sorry, misread
[20:37] <Matt> (given the limit is 70)
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[20:38] * IT_Sean wishes the limit were 70 in more spots here.
[20:38] <Matt> in order to get something closer in km/h, you're up to 120
[20:38] <mkopack> lol, reminds me of that video the other day of the stupid blonde girl who didn't get the concept of Miles PER hour
[20:38] * hotwings waits to hear how the shipment was accidently shot down by the siberian military (assuming they have one)
[20:38] <Matt> and that's a little trikier to keep as an average here, given the limit is 100 :)
[20:38] <hotwings> happy now?
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, since it's a part of Russia... yeah, they have an army.
[20:40] <hotwings> oic
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[20:40] <IT_Sean> Well... they have an army. But, do they have any ammunition, or have they sold it all?
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[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> enough ammo to make Saakashvili eat his tie.
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[20:43] <hotwings> i was just thinking of how cold russia is.. i wonder why there arent a lot of fat people there. probably lack of food
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[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> America sets a high standard, but there are a lot of fat people in Russia. Also, energy is dirt cheap there, so everything is nice and heated.
[20:44] <hotwings> i read that europeans are not getting fatter at a faster rate than americans
[20:44] <hotwings> *are now
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> probably
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[20:45] <des2> Probably for the same reason there's a lot of fat birds right before winter.
[20:45] <hotwings> euros finally discovered how glorious southern fried chicken is!
[20:46] <mkopack> KFC mofo!
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll take perogies over kfc any day.
[20:46] <mkopack> Oh god, you're killing me! I LOVE perigees!
[20:46] <mkopack> perigees??? the only time I get them is when I visit my aunt in PA who makes them for me
[20:47] <hotwings> jollibee chicken w/gravy.. yum!
[20:47] <mkopack> Damn auto corect!
[20:47] <des2> Cheese perogies yum.
[20:48] <mkopack> Yup! Potato +Cheese??? with sour cream,butter + fried onions.. Mmm
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[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> is that some American version?
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> (add cheese and fried stuff to everything!)
[20:48] <mkopack> Eh, just that's the way my family always made them??? Polish/Dutch background
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, not familiar with cheese being added. Fried onions... sure.
[20:49] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi
[20:49] <piofcube> So, everyone invited to mkopack's place for dinner?
[20:49] <mkopack> My aunt makes them with cheddar + potato inside
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[20:50] <mkopack> hehe, I actually have a couple dozen of those in the freezer??? She sends me home with a few dozen every time I visit :)
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[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, sounds like my grandma... I still have a freezer full of pelmeni
[20:52] <hotwings> [11:47:04] <mkopack> Yup! Potato +Cheese??? with sour cream,butter + fried onions.. Mmm <-- agreed. you could also add some fried peppers with mine
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[20:55] <mkopack> Damn, might have to take another dozen out of the freezer tonight...
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[20:57] <IT_Sean> eeeerft... no sour cream
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[20:57] <IT_Sean> sour cream does not like me
[20:58] <IT_Sean> Potatos w/ cheese, sour cream, butter and fried onions sound DELICOUS. But, sour cream does bad things to my insides.
[20:58] <hotwings> dairy-induced bubble guts huh
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[20:59] <IT_Sean> That's just it... I have no problem with dairy in general.
[20:59] <IT_Sean> But, sour cream = spending half the day on the bog.
[20:59] <Matt> that's not good
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[21:00] <IT_Sean> No. it is not.
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[21:10] * IT_Sean flicks a RaspberryPi at Matt
[21:11] * Mrkva slaps IT_Sean with a RaspberryPi model B board
[21:11] <Thorn_> hey, remember when the rpi foundation became an evil corporate entity who never talk to the people anymore?
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[21:12] <IT_Sean> Thorn_: don't make me lock you in the broom closet again.
[21:13] <Thorn_> aslong as you leave that big broom *wink*
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[21:14] * IT_Sean shudders
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[21:25] <Matt> pi!
[21:26] <mkopack> ?
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[21:26] <Matt> I wonder if there'll be a poor chinese clone made eventually, that they could call the raspberry 22/7
[21:26] <Matt> cause it's a poor approximation :)
[21:27] <mkopack> haha
[21:27] * IT_Sean groans
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> I'd like a much smaller Pi, without all the connectors, or thernet, just a dozen GPIO and bare USB pins
[21:27] <Matt> thernet eh? :)
[21:28] <markus> SpeedEvil: what you want is a transistor
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> markus: No.
[21:28] <IT_Sean> Woah! Hold the phone!!! I didn't know the raspi had Thernet!!!!
[21:28] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> markus: I want a linux box that fits in a 2*2*2cm cube or so
[21:28] <Matt> I wonder what's inside this 3com access point
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> Matt: Elvis.
[21:28] <Matt> and if it's at all hackable
[21:28] <markus> SpeedEvil: i have on that fits in just a little more than that
[21:28] <Matt> given it's sitting here doing nothing
[21:29] <markus> SpeedEvil: have you checked out the cubox?
[21:29] <Matt> cause the 3com firmware fails miserably at doing WPA
[21:29] <markus> it's much larger than 2x2x2
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[21:29] <markus> its 2"^3
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[21:29] <markus> less than that they say on their homepage
[21:30] <markus> "Named by combining the words 'Cube' and 'Box' and while being less than 2"3 in size, the platform can stream and decode 1080p content, with desktop class interfaces, all in less than 3 Watt (*) and less than 1 Watt in standby. "
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[21:30] <piless> is it out yet?
[21:30] <markus> i have one in my clauset
[21:31] <markus> i'm not sure if they are sold out (again) or not
[21:31] <markus> http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[21:31] <markus> I'm actually running irssi from that box
[21:31] <markus> Linux alarm 2.6.32.9-dove-5.4.2 #46 PREEMPT Sat Jan 7 12:23:38 IST 2012 armv7l Marvell PJ4 v7 Processor-wmmx rev 5 (v7l) SolidRun CuBox Platform GNU/Linux
[21:31] <markus> /exec -o uname -a
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> I want a 24*7 wearable linux box
[21:33] <rm> there's a number of phones
[21:33] <rm> that you can wear 24*7 if you so desire
[21:33] <piless> There's an android watch
[21:33] <rm> rumours are the chinese continue to somehow produce runs of Nokia n900
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> Actually waterproof.
[21:33] <piless> android = linux
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> And robust
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[21:40] <mkopack> Holy crap I'm bored today at work??? and it's my Birthday so I really just want to get the hell out of the office and have fun
[21:41] <piofcube> happy birthday mkopack :-)
[21:41] <mkopack> thanks??? 1 more till I'm "over the hill"
[21:41] <piless> burn the place down
[21:41] <mkopack> Bring on the hot 20-something girlfriend mid-life-crisis
[21:41] <piofcube> yeah and it's all down hill from there LOL
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[21:42] <mkopack> I was hoping to finish grad school right before my 40th, but one of the classes I need won't be offered until next spring, so going to have to blow that by 11 weeks
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[21:43] <piless> go for a pub crawl
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[21:44] <zgreg> mkopack: birthday and no pi? :/
[21:44] <mkopack> Nope, no pi!
[21:44] <piless> email liz and guilt trip her
[21:44] <mkopack> Did get a "Tilted Guilt" at lunch though??? My favorite waitress bought it for me???
[21:45] <piless> tilted?
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[21:45] <mkopack> half baked white chocolate macadamia nut cookie covered with a scoop of ice cream and caramel
[21:45] <piofcube> There's a good joke in there... Liz being a food blogger and the phrase "let them eat cake" springs to mind LOL
[21:45] <mkopack> Mmmmm
[21:45] <piless> sounds disgusting
[21:45] <mkopack> pio: Maybe that's what she'll post when they finally start shipping??
[21:45] <mkopack> piless: FAR from it! The cookie portion is still warm and gooey
[21:45] <mkopack> YUM
[21:46] <piless> how many calories?
[21:46] <mkopack> Who cares?!??!
[21:46] <mkopack> Bday!
[21:47] <piless> what are you going to do after work?
[21:47] <mkopack> Dunno yet??? No plans??? But it's Monday so I'm assuming my buds will call a Code Orange
[21:48] <piless> orange?
[21:48] <mkopack> hehe??? Code Orange Shorts - aka: Meet at Hooters
[21:49] <piless> hmm
[21:49] <piless> Does the uk have a hooters equivilent?
[21:49] <mkopack> You HAVE Hooters in the UK. I know that for a fact
[21:49] <piless> I've never been to one :O
[21:50] <piless> where are they
[21:50] <mkopack> One of my waitress friends used to do training when new stores open and she was sent over to the UK to help train the staff when they opened a store there.
[21:50] <mkopack> I want to say the one she told me about was in Manchester??? But I could be wrong
[21:50] <mkopack> Honestly, the food there sucks??? I prefer the Tilted Kilt for food, and the waitresses
[21:51] <piless> the tits
[21:51] <mkopack> Ok, according to their web site, there's Hooters in: Cardiff, Bristol and Nottingham
[21:51] <piofcube> never heard of the tited kilt either
[21:51] <piofcube> tilted**
[21:52] <mkopack> That's a fairly new chain...
[21:52] <mkopack> Started in Vegas, but quickly spreading
[21:52] <piofcube> sorry, piless threw me off for a moment ;-)
[21:52] <piless> ooo I'm not that far away from bristol
[21:52] <mkopack> There's like 9 of them around the Atlanta, GA area
[21:52] <mkopack> Hooters of Bristol
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[21:52] <mkopack> Unit 2, Building 11, Harborside
[21:52] <mkopack> Bristol, England, BS1 5SZ
[21:52] <mkopack> 011-44-117-930-0750
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[21:52] <piless> that isn't a real number
[21:53] <mkopack> Was going to say, that's a funky looking phone #
[21:53] <mkopack> But that's what they have on the web site
[21:53] <fragalot> piless: SQRT(-1)
[21:53] <piofcube> that would make the number 01179300750 if you dialed from the uk... weird
[21:54] <fragalot> mkopack: I walked past that hooters in nottingham a while back.. surprised me that there was a UK chain of that all of the sudden
[21:55] <piless> spearmint rhino would be better
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[21:55] <mkopack> the food is nothing stellar??? everything is fried...
[21:55] <piofcube> can you get rhino in ay other flavour?
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[21:55] <mkopack> unless they changed it for the international stores
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[21:58] <piless> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hooters.co.uk%2Fcontent%2Fdocuments%2FHost_Job_Description.pdf
[21:58] <piless> I want to be a hooters girl
[21:58] <mkopack> lol
[21:59] <mkopack> Around here, only the young girls are hostesses??? The ones not old enough to be serving alcohol
[21:59] <mkopack> Once they turn 18 and can serve, they get put on the floor to be waitresses
[21:59] <piless> says on their website you have to be 18 to be host
[21:59] <mkopack> Ah here I think you can be 17 to hostess
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[22:00] <mkopack> I'm sure it varies by location based on local laws
[22:00] <piless> wait.. in america you can serve alcohol at 18 but can't drink till 21?
[22:00] <mkopack> Yup in some places
[22:00] <piless> silly americans
[22:01] <piless> banning it until 21 just encourages binge drinking
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[22:01] <mkopack> Yeah, well, bitch to all the puritan ultra right winger's here...
[22:01] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[22:02] <mkopack> I think it's BS that you can be drafted to go to war, or vote in an election, but not have a beer
[22:02] * IT_Sean would totally flee the country if he were drafted.
[22:02] * IT_Sean does not like the idea of being cannon fodder.
[22:03] <piless> they wouldn't be able to get away with a draft system nowadays
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[22:03] <mkopack> Eh at this point, I'm old enough not to worry about that sort of thing. wE'd have to be pretty desperate to draft 39 yr olds
[22:03] * IT_Sean is 26
[22:03] <piless> mkopack: It's possible.
[22:03] <piless> IT_Sean: You lie. You're 39
[22:04] <IT_Sean> piless: no. really. I'm 26
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[22:04] <piless> IT_Sean: No, you're 39
[22:04] <IT_Sean> No. Really. I'm not.
[22:04] <piless> You're mistaken
[22:04] <IT_Sean> No. You are.
[22:04] <mkopack> My selective service card is LONG since gone. I nearly laughed when they asked me for the selective service reg # when I was doing some paperwork for my job.. I'm like "Are you kidding? I was able to throw that out years ago!"
[22:05] <mkopack> Luckily there's a website you can use to look it up
[22:05] <piless> no you are
[22:05] <IT_Sean> piless, knock it off.
[22:05] <piless> what
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[22:06] * piless sets -V for mkopack
[22:06] <mkopack> ?
[22:06] <piless> no voice for you
[22:07] <mkopack> lol
[22:08] * IT_Sean has no problem serving his country. He does, however, have a BIG problem with being forced to.
[22:09] <piless> I have a big problem serving my country.
[22:09] <piless> why should I kill someone 1000 miles away because some big wig decides that their values differ too much from ours
[22:10] <IT_Sean> Good point, actually.
[22:10] <mkopack> Well, not always about values...
[22:10] <mkopack> Sometimes it's about "they they attacked and killed a lot of us"
[22:10] <mkopack> But I understand what you're saying??? Not everyone feels the same way
[22:11] <piless> We're all human, I don't get the whole nationalism thing america has got going.. How does being born in the american border or canadian make you any different of a person
[22:11] <IT_Sean> Please, let's not get into the politics of the current world conflict
[22:11] <IT_Sean> Please.
[22:11] <des2> Piless because:
[22:11] <des2> We're Number 1
[22:11] <des2> We're Number 1
[22:11] <des2> We're Number 1
[22:11] <piless> IT_Sean: Would you rather we go back to talking about boobies?
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[22:12] <IT_Sean> yes
[22:12] <mkopack> piless: it's hard to explain. It's just something in our history, so hard to translate to the european mindset
[22:12] <IT_Sean> please! :p
[22:12] <Matt> how about talking about technology? :)
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[22:12] <Matt> you know
[22:12] <IT_Sean> That would be fine too, i guess.
[22:12] <Matt> being semi on-topic
[22:12] <piless> Matt: get out
[22:12] <IT_Sean> Either boobs, or tech.
[22:12] <mkopack> So, yeah, this waitress @ Tilted Kilt.. OMG AMAZING
[22:12] <des2> We'd love to Matt but the RPF isn't cooperating.
[22:12] <mkopack> but figures, has a bf??? he sounds like a real loser too (of course)
[22:12] <IT_Sean> mkopack: do tell!
[22:12] <IT_Sean> urft.
[22:13] <IT_Sean> Isn't that always the way it is?
[22:13] <des2> I think they select them for their Amazingness.
[22:13] <mkopack> amazing hourglass figure, natural DD's. tiny little waste, nice hips??? I could watch her walk all day long in that uniform??? She just has that whole "elegant" walk thing going, ya know?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> Women are like domain names. All the good ones are taken. (although, you can still get an interisting one from a strange country) :p
[22:13] <piless> mkopack: If I worked at hooters I would tell the middle-aged customers that I had a boyfriend whether I had one or not
[22:13] <des2> That and their ability to show up on time.
[22:13] <mkopack> and like the SWEETEST nicest woman ever..
[22:14] <mkopack> yeah, I know??? but usually if you ask enough questions as you're chatting with them over multiple visits, you'll catch them in a contradiction if they're lying about having one???
[22:14] <IT_Sean> Okay... now this is getting creepy.
[22:14] <piless> I don't think hooters would be the best place to find a girl
[22:14] <titch515> IT_sean -- and that is why your single, analogies like that aint helping you mate
[22:15] <IT_Sean> mkopack: is a stalker.
[22:15] <mkopack> lol
[22:15] <des2> You would think Hooters would be the best place to find an Owl.
[22:15] <mkopack> nah, I just like to socialize when I go the places like that??? I'm often eating alone, so it's nice to go to places like that where you chat with the girls and get to know them??? They get to know you and give you better service...
[22:15] <titch515> or an air horn
[22:16] <piless> I wouldn't get a .com, org or .net domain.. They're owned by american customers like verisign and will shut down your domain in the american government wants them to
[22:16] <piless> *companies
[22:16] <des2> You should get a domain in a country where it is easy to bribe people...
[22:16] <piless> like .co
[22:17] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty sure any domain registar will shut down the domain if the American government tells them to.
[22:17] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: nu uh
[22:17] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: only if they're based in america
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[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't the whole thing regulated by America?
[22:18] <IT_Sean>
[22:18] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: like the .uk domain registrar nominet doesn't have to listen to america
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> oh and mkopack, that's creepy.
[22:18] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: no, there are multiple central nodes around the world
[22:18] <mkopack> I COULD give the "Ugly American" answer of: "If you don't like it, then maybe you should have invented your own internet??? It's an American invention after all"??? But I won't, because at this point I don't feel that way,
[22:19] <titch515> and it wasnt
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> sure it was.... gotta give credit where it's due
[22:19] <mkopack> Shift: How so? You've never frequented an establishment and gotten to know the people working there over time
[22:19] <mkopack> Um, yes it was. It started out as ARPA-Net, which was the forefather agency of DARPA.
[22:19] <piless> mkopack: we english invented the english language, so with that argument you better spell flavour with a u or go make up your own language
[22:20] <mkopack> piless: hello, we already speak different dialects! LOL
[22:20] <titch515> TCP/IP was a british invention I believe
[22:20] <mkopack> Um, NO.
[22:20] <Matt> titch515: how about Pink Floyd? :)
[22:20] <mkopack> Again created by DARPA in the 1970's
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, not based on how hot the waitress is. If you've gotten to know some other employees (including male ones) as well, then sure that's fine.
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[22:21] <mkopack> Yup??? Have
[22:21] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: they don't let males do the hosting in hooters
[22:21] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: males get forced to stay in the kitchens
[22:21] <piless> blatent discrimination
[22:21] <mkopack> And when I get to know them, and they give me repeatedly good service, I'm more likely to return and tip well, and so the cycle continues
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[22:21] <IT_Sean> piless: it's called Hooters. Not Willies.
[22:22] <mkopack> I've gotten to know a couple of the managers as well
[22:22] <piless> it's still creepy as fuck
[22:22] <mkopack> hehe, my buddies and I always joke that we want to open a strip club across from every Hooters called "Hienies"
[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Well you don't rant on about the manager's waist! Wait, that would be worse... =/
[22:22] <IT_Sean> piless is right. 's creepy.
[22:22] <mkopack> lol
[22:22] <titch515> "What Arpanet did in 1969 that was important was to develop a variation of a technique called packet switching. In 1965, before Arpanet came into existence, an Englishman called Donald Davies had proposed a similar facility to Arpanet in the United Kingdom, the NPL Data Communications Network. It never got funded; but Donald Davies did develop the concept of packet switching, a means by which messages can travel from point to point across a
[22:22] <titch515> network. Although others in the USA were working on packet switching techniques at the same time (notably Leonard Kleinrock and Paul Baran), it was the UK version that Arpanet first adopted."
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> titch515, Americans have finally invented something good, let them have one!
[22:23] <titch515> ahhh go on then
[22:23] <titch515> :p
[22:23] <Matt> you should see the list of thing Canada claims as canadian inventions
[22:23] <mkopack> lol
[22:23] <Matt> there's a lot of overlap with the UK
[22:23] <titch515> I'd only trump you with Turing anyway
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[22:23] <zgreg> americans also claim to have built the first computer
[22:23] <piless> they should stick turing on the new tenner design
[22:24] <titch515> agreed
[22:24] <Matt> canada claims it because it was invented in the part of the world that is now canada
[22:24] <mkopack> Still can't believe the Avro Arrow was cancelled??? of course, the whole project was littered with Soviet KGB spies???
[22:24] <Matt> britain claims it because that was a british colony at the time
[22:24] <zgreg> while zuse definitely was first with the z3
[22:24] <Matt> mkopack: I have a DVD on that which I have yet to do
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[22:25] <Matt> there's piccies of the Arrow up on the wall at UTIAS
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> KGB spies confuse me.... Did they actually train natives from the respective countries up as spies or just Russians? 'cause I think it would be hard to train a Russian to 'blend in' overseas just like that. =/
[22:25] <mkopack> Matt: Yeah, that plane was like 2 decades ahead of it's time??? But the US was so worried about the amount of spies that had infiltrated the Avro company that they got the Gov to cancel the project. A lot of the tech that was in the Arrow ended up being used by the Russians in the Mig 25 Foxbat
[22:26] <mkopack> natives.
[22:26] <titch515> as hard as it is for us to train spies for the arab nations? At least they have the right colour
[22:26] <mkopack> with KGB handlers
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that would make more sense
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[22:26] <mkopack> Some of the specs on that plane were just amazing...
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[22:27] <mkopack> Mach 3, 2000 mile range, 200+ mile radar and interceptor missile capability.
[22:27] <mkopack> It was HUGE
[22:27] <mkopack> mostly made of titanium
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[22:34] <piless> boobs
[22:35] <IT_Sean> boobs are good.
[22:35] <IT_Sean> Boobs made largly of titanium, however, not so much.
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> careful, you'll get mkopack started again
[22:35] <mkopack> lol
[22:35] <IT_Sean> heh
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[22:36] <mkopack> So what are the bets on issues during the compliance testing?
[22:36] <IT_Sean> meh... should be fine.
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[22:37] <piless> I bet they'll fail.. delay it another month while they make us all free cases
[22:37] <mchou> lol
[22:37] <mchou> funny
[22:37] <mkopack> Sean: all depends on the RF interference???
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I think they'd fail and require some shielding
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[22:38] <mchou> that means you can't turn on a RPi on a plane :)
[22:38] <mkopack> I remember popping the cover off my old C64's 1541 floppy drive and seeing the HUGE faraday cage around the main board+ drive motor.
[22:38] <titch515> just wrap it in tinfoil
[22:39] <titch515> like the coneheads
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that wouldn't cause any problems at all
[22:46] <des2> Can I use the tinfoil I usually wear on my head ?
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> The head sweat might short out the board. Better use fresh tinfoil, des2
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear the Illuminati are turning up the mind control machine this week, better not.
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[22:52] <piless> the fcc requires that they individually inspect every device anyway before they'll allow them to be used on planes
[22:52] * des2 gives up plans for a wearable RPI computer stored under his hat.
[22:52] <piless> asda always seems to act as a faraday cage for my phone signal
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[22:54] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:56] <IT_Sean> I am off
[22:56] <IT_Sean> be back later
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[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> does the hardware have to support opengl for opengl programs to work, or is that just for acceleration and the programs will work anyway just in software?
[22:56] <piless> yay we can talk about politics again
[22:57] <mjr> it's just for acceleration
[22:58] <piless> good luck with such a shitty cpu without acceleration
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> so... opengl should work on the pi, just slowly?
[22:58] <mjr> though pure software opengl rendering is _very slow_
[22:58] <mjr> it would "work"
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> would it be slower than SDL if you're only doing 2d rendering?
[22:59] <mjr> yess
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> why? O_o
[23:00] <mjr> Because it is. Just use the ES subset and get the (proprietary) acceleration.
[23:00] <piless> because
[23:00] <mjr> seriously, it'd be _insanely_ slow on the Pi
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not asking for practical purposes, just curious
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[23:00] <mjr> porting the llvmpipe software rendering architecture could possibly boost it to ludicurously slow
[23:03] <zgreg> the ONLY option is to use opengl es 2.0, deal eith it
[23:03] <zgreg> decent opengl code should not be hard to port in most cases
[23:04] <piless> fuck those guys, don't let them tell you what to do ShiftPlusOne. If you want super slow opengl then do it!
[23:04] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o ShiftPlusOne> I am not asking for practical purposes, just curious.
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[23:10] <mjr> generally speaking, computers can do anything in software that hardware can do, except possibly generate true randomness (possibly mostly because it's not clear that that's possible on hardware either, depending on the definition of "true" ;)
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[23:26] <mkopack> LOL, I learned Open GL on SGI IRIX Workstations back in 1994!
[23:26] <mkopack> that was like the ONLY "Hardware Accelerated" platform available back then
[23:26] <piless> was it worth it?
[23:27] <mkopack> not really. haven't used it since
[23:27] <piless> it never is
[23:27] <mkopack> And certainly not doing Open GL in my 2 graphics classes in grad school.. instead we're learning how to make our own rendering engine
[23:27] <mkopack> Next qtr is Ray Tracing
[23:27] <piless> use directx
[23:28] <mkopack> Not allowed to
[23:28] <mkopack> Have To do it all ourselves in software???.
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[23:28] <mkopack> all the calculations
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[23:36] <zgreg> raytracing is much more elegeant than crappy rasterization anyway
[23:37] <mkopack> Yeah I'm sure the math is going to make my head spin though
[23:37] <mkopack> especially when dealing with curved surfaces and multiple reflections and light sources...
[23:37] <mkopack> But it should be interesting
[23:37] <zgreg> it's actually quite simple
[23:38] <mkopack> the concept is simple, the calculations -eh, I guess if I'm giving the formulas it shouldn't be too bad
[23:38] <zgreg> some of the techniques to accelerate raytracing are more interesting/complicated, but the basics are easy
[23:38] <zgreg> take a look at path tracing
[23:39] <mkopack> yeah, we covered the general concept in class this past quarter, but it was just the "here's the general concept"??? Starting next week, I get 10 weeks of ray tracing
[23:40] <mkopack> 6 projects
[23:40] <mkopack> thankfully I only have the 1 class this coming quarter
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[23:40] <mkopack> so might have a bit more time to BREATHE for a change
[23:40] <mkopack> This last qtr was brutal in terms of time constraints
[23:41] <mkopack> (and I'm going to be PISSED if the other class doesn't give me an A+)
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