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IRC Log for 2012-03-27

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[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone here use Dvorac? Does it make any real difference?
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[0:25] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, yes, it makes you unable to use a normal keyboard ;-)
[0:25] <smw> ShiftPlusOne, big difference ;-)
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[0:31] <IT_Sean> heh
[0:31] <IT_Sean> Never used it
[0:31] <IT_Sean> qwerty all the way
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> IT_Sean
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> I love you.
[0:33] <IT_Sean> yes?
[0:33] <IT_Sean> ...
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> and I'm not on drugs
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> just really tired
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Me too. Sorry I don't say it enough.
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> wait
[0:33] <RITRedbeard__> does ShiftPlusOne go to RIT?
[0:33] <IT_Sean> I'm flattered gents, but... I'm pretty sure i don't play for your team.
[0:34] <RITRedbeard__> the fuck were we talking about yesterday?
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[0:35] <RITRedbeard__> I'm having a blank.
[0:35] <RITRedbeard__> What were we talking about, ShiftPlusOne?
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[0:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know I slept through a few days
[0:35] <RITRedbeard__> Wasn't it RIT related?
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what RIT is.... =/
[0:36] <RITRedbeard__> or did you say you were studying at Cornell?
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[0:36] * RITRedbeard__ scratches head.
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you were talking to someone else.
[0:36] <RITRedbeard__> IBM'er?
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, student... RMIT.
[0:37] <RITRedbeard__> RMIT?
[0:37] <shirro> melbournw
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
[0:37] <RITRedbeard__> Oh.
[0:37] <RITRedbeard__> I think I need some sleep.
[0:37] <RITRedbeard__> We were talking about something in common.
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Again, I haven't been here for a few days, so It wouldn't have been me.
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[2:17] <mkopack> PandaboardES is coming up nicely??? Ubuntu is going through it's first boot install process right now
[2:17] <zgreg> are you running 12.04?
[2:17] <mkopack> And to all you "That HDTV you bought will make a horrible monitor". It looks beautiful!
[2:17] <mkopack> Nah, just did 11.10 for now
[2:18] <mkopack> It's certainly a LOT slower going through the install process than Ubuntu is when installing it into a VM on my Macs
[2:18] <mkopack> '
[2:18] <mkopack> But I would expect as much since it's running off SD
[2:18] <zgreg> I wonder whether unity runs well on the pandaboard
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[2:19] <mkopack> I'm NOT a unity fan??? at ALL
[2:19] <zgreg> canonical and linaro have put a lot of effort into porting compiz/unity to opengl es 2.0, but I'm not sure how much of that is already in 11.10
[2:19] <mkopack> Would LOVE to know how to totally remove it and go back to the old desktop (or something even lighter weight like LXDE or some other smallish desktop
[2:20] <zgreg> install "gnome-panel", and select "gnome classic" at the login screen
[2:20] <mkopack> I just didn't like it when I tried running a VM with it. I couldn't figure out how to do anything
[2:20] <mkopack> Ah, cool
[2:20] <mkopack> thanks
[2:20] <zgreg> it's a bit buggy in 11.10, though
[2:20] <zgreg> it works fine in 12.04
[2:20] <mkopack> Is there 12.04 support for Panda? I didn't' look
[2:20] <zgreg> and really, unity has also improved a lot
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[2:21] <zgreg> well, here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/
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[2:23] <mkopack> Yeah, looks like Daily's only...
[2:23] <mkopack> I'd rather wait for a full release version
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[2:23] <zgreg> well, you know what 12.04 stands for, right? :)
[2:23] <zgreg> wait a month
[2:23] <mkopack> No?
[2:24] <zgreg> the ubuntu version numbers always refer to the release date
[2:24] <zgreg> 12.04 will be release in april 2012
[2:24] <mkopack> I was in a debate with somebody in the panda board room earlier about whether the .04 or the .10 were the more mature releases of the major versions
[2:24] <mkopack> ok
[2:24] <zgreg> 11.10 was release in october 2011
[2:24] <zgreg> *released
[2:24] <mkopack> ah, gotchya
[2:24] <mkopack> always wondered why they seemed to be hitting those patterns
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[2:31] <ReggieUK> mkopack, I bet that TV looks nice as a monitor?
[2:32] <mkopack> It does!
[2:32] <ReggieUK> the only reason my TV isn't installed as a monitor is because it wouldn't be in a good place for company to enjoy
[2:33] <ReggieUK> but you've got me seriously considering putting a CRT tv in it's place and having the lcd tv on my desk
[2:33] <mkopack> yeah, see, I had 2 HDTV's, but neither was really in a spot where it would be conducive to trying to do any sort of computer work
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[2:33] <mkopack> And all my other monitors had only DVI + VGA inputs, and I used up the DVI on all of them
[2:34] <mkopack> so no options
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[2:39] <pingec> any news?
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> would be great if instead of putting the effort into porting compiz and unity they ported something useful. =/
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> pingec, nope, if you follow the website and twitter, you know as much as anyone else.
[2:40] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: what are you getting at?
[2:41] <zgreg> they did a lot of work on the hard-float port
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> that unity and compiz is useless =p
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> *are
[2:41] <zgreg> unity in 12.04 is really nice, compared to earlier versions
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[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> don't worry, not a swipe at linaro, just canonical.
[2:42] <chandoo> hello world
[2:42] <chandoo> :)
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> chandoo, ahoy
[2:43] <zgreg> well, whatever, hating on canonical seems to be quite the trend, but it's getting boring
[2:43] <chandoo> i placed order for raspberry pi model-B, my delivery estimate is 13/Aug/2012
[2:44] <chandoo> HuH long time to get my hands on
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ever since their "we don't care what our customers like, we'll do our own thing" stand, yeah, hating on canonical is going to be around for a while.
[2:44] <mkopack> Gonna be interesting to see if Newark ships mine this Friday like it currently says
[2:44] <chandoo> mkopack, you are lucky
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what's the timestamp on your order?
[2:45] <mkopack> let me look
[2:45] <ReggieUK> unity needs to be culled like a baby canadian seal
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think so
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> It will just die out because it's useless... like a dodo.
[2:46] <zgreg> I'm not so sure about that anymore
[2:46] <zgreg> it's really improved a lot
[2:46] <ReggieUK> balls
[2:47] <zgreg> and the HUD is very interesting
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Even if it has improved, it was crap enough at relase for a lot of ubuntu users to find alternatives... it would take something very worthwhile for us to come back to ubuntu.
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[2:47] <ReggieUK> they could've put the new hud in and left the productivity stuff in that everyone loves
[2:47] <mkopack> holdy crap Newark's order server is SLOW tonight
[2:48] <mkopack> I ordered around 9-10am on Feb 29 though
[2:49] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
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[2:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I ordered mine 5 minutes after they went live and mine is still on 'backorder'... but I think "we don't bloody know" is the most accurate estimate anyone is going to get.
[2:50] <zgreg> maybe this year
[2:50] <zgreg> that is my personal estimate
[2:50] <ewan> hopefully by christmas, is my current estimate
[2:51] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/i-give-up
[2:51] <mkopack> yeah, it still says "Backorder" in the order status summary page, but when I open the specific order, it lists "Expected Ship Date: March 30"
[2:51] <mkopack> It was originally like Mid May, then Mid April, and then March 30
[2:51] <mkopack> Where'd you order from though?
[2:52] <zgreg> I'm not the forum poster
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[2:52] <zgreg> but I ordered from farnell germany and they told me early august a few days ago
[2:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Mine is from element14 (Australia)
[2:54] <mkopack> Ok, so, could be a number of things...
[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Just checked, still on back order
[2:54] <mkopack> Order in which your order is for your local distribution hub vs others in your region...
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[2:55] <mkopack> I might have been one of the early people in the USA to order??? And/or the USA might be getting a larger allotment in these early batches (due to our larger size and/or maybe there was a larger % of orders from the USA)
[2:55] <mkopack> At this point, we have no real way of knowing
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[2:55] <mkopack> When they come, they come
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[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[2:56] <mkopack> ok, well, I'm going to go fetch a pizza or something for dinner while I wait on this panda board to update all the packages for Ubuntu??? gonna be a while!
[2:56] <mkopack> BBIAB
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[2:57] <chandoo> raspberry-pi foundation should have released the pcb diagram and component info, so that many companies around the world can make boards like Arduino
[2:57] <zgreg> chandoo: it does not work like that
[2:58] <zgreg> you cannot simply buy those SoCs
[2:58] <chandoo> ?
[2:58] <zgreg> open hardware would be nice, but very unlikely to help
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> It will never be open hardware... it's not an open hardware project.
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Though they will probably release the schematics and layout
[2:59] <Da|Mummy> i wonder what kind of spike in sales pandaboard and beagleboard received since planned release of rpi
[2:59] <zgreg> that's what I mean with "open hardware"
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Da|Mummy, probably not much compared to the dip in sales after the proper release.>.>
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> 'open hardware' has a pretty strict definition though.
[3:02] <zgreg> I don't agree. it's still being discussed what the term should actually mean.
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> as it stands it's a strict definition.... I don't think the final specifications will allow for closed blobs without full documentation of the interface
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[3:05] <sqrt[evil]> given that we don't even have schematics at this point i'd say it's a pretty foregone conlusion that the project will never be that 'open'
[3:05] <chandoo> even though chips are commercial , they should release the specs and some documentation on how to place components on the schematics , so that it will be widely available,my ship date is Aug/13/2012 which is rodiculously long
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> sqrt[evil], that's pure speculation. They intend on releasing the schematics. Considering the product isn't out yet and the proper educational launch is nowhere near, schematics are the least of their problems for now.
[3:06] <zgreg> well, it wouldn't matter really
[3:06] <sqrt[evil]> ShiftPlusOne: meh, true. however it's as hard as 'print to pdf' and the content has been available to them for months now
[3:07] <zgreg> nobody is going to get those bcm2835 SoCs from broadcom
[3:07] <hamitron> imo, those wanting totally open hardware would need to look at a device without all the video thrills of the bcm2835
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, don't they need to be programmed for the specific device as well?
[3:07] <sqrt[evil]> what could possibly hold up such a simple request that people make on a daily basis if the foundation actually wanted to release it
[3:07] <sqrt[evil]> other than some broadcom bs i guess
[3:07] <hamitron> where there is something cool in the hardware, there is someone wanting to protect that property
[3:08] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[3:08] <zgreg> the SoC includes a small amount of flash or otp memory
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[3:08] <zgreg> probably otp
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> sqrt[evil], if they release a pdf, you'll have people spamming them for source files and telling them how evil the foundation is. If they release the source files, they'll have people spamming that they should release them in EAGLE format.... and then if they do that, they'll have people spamming for gEDA files..... and the layout files ofcourse. =/
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[3:09] <zgreg> sqrt[evil]: maybe they want to make sure the design is mostly error free
[3:10] <zgreg> but who knows
[3:10] <sqrt[evil]> don't know or care, just for me the fact that hardware 'exists' but schematics don't tells me they aren't very interested in releasing the schematics
[3:11] <sqrt[evil]> people will want the source files yes, but just having the schematics would be very useful to those trying to develop hardware to integrate with the pi
[3:12] <sqrt[evil]> total clones aren't really practical, broadcom is too much of a pain in the ass, so not much use for the source files, especially if there's no open license
[3:12] <chandoo> can i say what ever the packages available for arm can run with little or no modification on rpi?
[3:13] <sqrt[evil]> i've been going to PDO and checking to see if an arm build exists, debian arm may not be the most performant distro to run, but it will definitely work, and they have packages for most everything so it should giv eyou a good idea of how hard it would be to get working in general
[3:13] <sqrt[evil]> http://packages.debian.org/
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> chandoo, most likely. The parts which will need to be modified are for hardware acceleration.... but you can already play around with qemu to get an idea of what's available and how well it works.
[3:15] <chandoo> say for example openwrt packages which i use on my dlink dir-825 router, has lot of packages yeh debian as well
[3:15] <sqrt[evil]> if it runs on another ARM device chances are it won't be much work to get going. most openwrt devices are MIPS though.
[3:15] <zgreg> sqrt[evil]: I agree, schematics would be great for the folks that are going to do stuff with GPIO, etc.
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yup... gpio documentation is adequate to start thinking about your design, but not good enough to finalise anything. But again, wait for the bloody hardware to be released.
[3:17] <chandoo> ShiftPlusOne, okay
[3:17] <chandoo> sqrt[evil], oh yeh
[3:17] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PoS2A9-8Y
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[3:17] <ReggieUK> not quite fit for work
[3:18] <chandoo> my touchpad is arm architecture, i dont know what broadcom chip it uses
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[3:18] <ReggieUK> openwrt does some arm stuff, so it shouldn't be a huge leap
[3:19] <ReggieUK> but most of anything you need will be supplied with whatever distros are avaiable for pi
[3:19] <ReggieUK> as in drivers
[3:19] <Syliss> ugh
[3:19] <ReggieUK> has there been any information about how exactly the bootloading is handled? fixed-file-name.bin being present on the SD card was about the last thing I heard
[3:21] <ShiftPlusOne> fixed file name?
[3:22] <ReggieUK> yeah, i thought the boot process was always going to go through a single file, so a binary of any kind but the filename will be fixed
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[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't look like it will be a simple file
[3:24] <ShiftPlusOne> but to execute your arbitary code, you'll just replace the file which would be the kernel.
[3:24] * ReggieUK is disappointed now
[3:24] <ShiftPlusOne> why is that?
[3:24] <ShiftPlusOne> *single file
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[3:25] <ReggieUK> I thought we might get a little access to hardware setup before it gets palmed off onto the kernel
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> http://pastebin.com/CD0DXRbP the files currently included with the arch image.
[3:27] <zgreg> there's this config file
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[3:28] <zgreg> config.txt - that's the one
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[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll need at least start.elf bootcode.bin loader.bin and the kernel, afaik
[3:29] <ReggieUK> what's in config.txt out of interest :D
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, optional things like kernel parameters I think
[3:29] <ReggieUK> :)
[3:30] <ReggieUK> awesome :)
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[3:30] <ReggieUK> that's a nice feature
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> and other config (to do with the fuses...) but those are still being discussed
[3:30] <zgreg> you can configure stuff like clock speeds, cache usage, etc.
[3:30] <ReggieUK> saves arsing around wiht uboot and setenv crapola
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[3:31] <zgreg> u-boot always seem to be a bad attempt to copy something like openfirmware
[3:31] <ReggieUK> I'm really interested I guess in how locked down it all is, I'm not pushing for any access that they don't want to give
[3:31] <ReggieUK> just want to understand the limitations of what we're being given
[3:32] <zgreg> well, you won't be able to access the "GPU" core
[3:32] <ReggieUK> sure, I never expected to get access to that :)
[3:33] <ReggieUK> because they've always said that it will be closed
[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> For what it's intended (standard, desktop and command line software development), I can't think of any limitations.
[3:33] <ReggieUK> how about setting up nfs boot loading?
[3:33] <ShiftPlusOne> should be simple
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the linux kernel has something like NFS_ROOT parameter
[3:34] <ReggieUK> I agree but it depends entirely on where we're at by the time they hand over control to us
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> don't think that's the name, but it's there
[3:34] <ReggieUK> what if the kernel doesn't exist on the sd card?
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> it has to
[3:34] <ReggieUK> not on some of the nfs boots that I've seen :)
[3:34] <zgreg> in theory, a bootloader could download the kernel
[3:35] <zgreg> but good luck porting u-boot or whatever, that's a big undertaking
[3:35] <ReggieUK> zgreg, indeed, so this is why I'm wondering where we'll be at by the time we get control
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I was going to say, unless you want to write your own bootloader or know of one that already exists which can be ported
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> What's the problem with having the kernel on SD anyway?
[3:36] <ReggieUK> depends what you're doing
[3:36] <zgreg> you can make the initramfs check a server for an updated kernel image
[3:36] <ReggieUK> but testing kernels, it'd be nice to have the option to just boot it over a network
[3:36] <shirro> please, nobody port u-boot.
[3:36] <ReggieUK> zgreg, oooh, really? I didn't know that
[3:37] <zgreg> you can do pretty much anything in the initial ramdisk
[3:37] <zgreg> shirro: why?
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> you can also load another kernel from an already running kernel, can't you?
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[3:38] <shirro> zgreg: Just hating embedded shit at the moment
[3:38] <ReggieUK> shirro, why's that dude?
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of like linload
[3:38] <ShiftPlusOne> but I forget what the linux version of linload is called... if it even exists.
[3:38] <zgreg> I can understand why you hate u-boot :D
[3:39] <shirro> Why can't these SoC people put ALL their drivers in the mainline kernel
[3:39] <zgreg> it's cryptic and extremely low-level
[3:39] <ReggieUK> because these soc people don't like giving up everything to non-paying customers :D
[3:39] <zgreg> shirro: that'd bloat the kernel extremely, and besides, often device-specific hacks are needed
[3:39] <ReggieUK> and 1/2 of them are 1/2 written
[3:40] <shirro> zgreg: since I patched one to use a text file it has gotten better. If I can't configure stuff with vim I don't want to know about it
[3:40] <zgreg> ARM = NO platform standardization
[3:40] <zgreg> this is ARM's biggest weakness, as a platform
[3:40] <ReggieUK> indeeeeeeed
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, worst case scenario: have initrd check for an updated kernel, install it, reboot.
[3:40] <shirro> There is no ARM platform.
[3:40] <zgreg> the same x86 linux kernel boots and works fine on 99% of all PCs
[3:41] <zgreg> shirro: that's the problem
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[3:41] <chandoo-> it is going to be a challange to get wifi / keyboard mouse usb dongles to get working on Rpi
[3:41] <ReggieUK> but the bit that screws the 1% is crappy 3rd party hardware drivers/combos
[3:41] <zgreg> chandoo-: no
[3:41] <ReggieUK> and it's that same crap that screws arm devices
[3:41] <shirro> everything lives in a little ghetto under arch/arm instead of out with the grown up drivers
[3:42] <zgreg> chandoo-: usb will just work
[3:42] <ReggieUK> arm itself seems pretty sound, just the random stuff that makes up the rest of the 'pc' in an intel system is the non-standard stuff
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[3:44] <ReggieUK> which is why I guess everyone wants full on documentation about the broadcom chip in the pi
[3:44] <ReggieUK> with *all* the registers in it
[3:45] <ReggieUK> so apart from the gpu which we know they won't talk about, do we have much of an idea about the other hardware on the SOC?
[3:45] <chandoo-> zgreg, i am talking about drivers
[3:46] <sqrt[evil]> ReggieUK: most of the peripherals are standard ARM stuff like the UART
[3:46] <chandoo-> i doubt vendors provide arm drivers
[3:46] <sqrt[evil]> USB might be a bit of a wildcard
[3:46] <sqrt[evil]> but the foundation is presumably providing drivers for that...
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, that USB driver is already available and IIRC (which I probably don't) open.
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[3:47] <sqrt[evil]> yeah i think you'er right
[3:47] <chandoo-> i have several usb wifi dongles
[3:48] <chandoo-> i am planning to buy htpc keyboard for rpi fro ebay
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[3:48] <sqrt[evil]> if your wifi dongles work out of the box in x86 linux they should work with pi
[3:48] <ShiftPlusOne> oh and I was obviously wrong about config.txt being used for kernel parameters, since there's also a cmdline.txt, so that's separate
[3:49] <sqrt[evil]> every wireless keyboard i've seen just implements USB HID so that should work too
[3:49] <victhor> most of the drivers included by default on linux distros are mainline, so they should be on the other architectures too
[3:49] <sqrt[evil]> or it'd be bluetooth, which will require a bit more configuration but will also work
[3:49] <chandoo-> sqrt[evil], is it, i guess they all work in linux
[3:49] <sqrt[evil]> if it doesn't require drivers on windows/osx you can be pretty sure it will work in linux
[3:49] <ReggieUK> cmdline.txt is a very good idea
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne> essential, I think.
[3:50] <ReggieUK> which? cmdline.txt?
[3:50] <chandoo-> victhor, thats good to hear
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd be a little miffed if the parameters were hard coded
[3:50] <ReggieUK> it's not a common thing from what I've seen so far
[3:50] <ReggieUK> you usually have to F* around with uboot
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[3:51] <Habstinat> Can this device be used as a WiFi USB stick? https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=10997 This person seems to have reverse engineered it for Linux if it helps any: http://braiden.org/?p=293
[3:51] <ReggieUK> this is why I'm asking the questions now ShiftPlusOne
[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, maybe
[3:51] <sqrt[evil]> well, since this device doesn't have a firmware bootloader, cmdline.txt is equivalent to uboot's nvram
[3:51] <Habstinat> ShiftPlusOne: That was... fast :P Why do you say that?
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[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, because we don't know yet. If you have the device, you can check what sort of interface, it uses and what drivers are available.
[3:52] <sqrt[evil]> Habstinat: looks like the guy used libusb to implement the driver, so it should work
[3:52] <chandoo-> what i am planning is, i have cyberpower CP-H420MP 4 port powered usb hub with 4AAA batteries in it, i am planning to use one port to power rpi and other one goes into usb on rpi and i have one usb on rpi and three on hub, which i will be having more usb ports available
[3:53] <ReggieUK> Habstinat, https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=9799
[3:53] <sqrt[evil]> chandoo-: should work, but battery life will be pretty awful
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[3:54] <ReggieUK> it does make me chuckle when I read pi and AA/AAA batteries in the same sentence :)
[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne> why?
[3:54] <chandoo-> where i can put one wifi dongle and one wireless keyboard dongle, and i will tape usb hub to rpi box, only one hdmi comming out of rpi, want to see how it works
[3:54] <Habstinat> ShiftPlusOne: I have the device, I'm on Linux now. If I can provide any data I will.
[3:54] <chandoo-> sqrt[evil], i agree with you
[3:54] <ReggieUK> because the battery life will be next to nothing
[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, try compiling the source for ARM.
[3:55] <ReggieUK> you'll probably spend more time charging the batts than using the pi
[3:55] <sqrt[evil]> as long as you're aware of that it might not be a problem...
[3:55] <chandoo-> i can plugin power adapter into hub always
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, or maybe I could give it a go.
[3:56] <chandoo-> i know battery life will be less than 30min
[3:56] <chandoo-> cos it is powering rpi, wifi dual band dongle, and wireless htpc keyboard
[3:57] <chandoo-> it will be the smallest 1080p computer with full capabilites
[3:59] <chandoo-> other thoughts are make it headless and plug into gig bit router and run opennas, openvpn and openssl
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[4:00] <chandoo-> when i got email from newark, i thought they will deliver by this friday
[4:00] <ReggieUK> why gigabit?
[4:00] <chandoo-> when i got second email i got shocked about delivery time and i called them to make sure they did mistake, but they didn't
[4:00] <chandoo-> ReggieUK, all i have is gig bit
[4:01] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok :)
[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, the source you linked to has some silly dependencies, but yeah, with some modifications, that shouldn't be a problem.
[4:03] <chandoo-> good night guyz, see u tomorrow
[4:03] <ReggieUK> g'night
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[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Habstinat, I cbf making an account on the Garmin website to test the other source code though.
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[4:05] <Habstinat> ShiftPlusOne: OK, thanks. TBH I don't plan on getting a Pi and just use this channel to mooch support for my x86 questions (when they could be related to the Pi), but thanks anyways, I'll give it a shot :P
[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, lol... I thought you were asking for raspberry pi.
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[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure how you intend to use it for wifi though... since it's a completly different frequency.
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[4:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, not it isn't.... ok, I don't think I know enough, but my hunch is that you can't use an ANT device for WiFi.
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone want to pitch in to make sure I am not lying?
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[4:14] <ReggieUK> nope :D
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Then I'll say no, you can't use that stick for WIFI, but you can use it to get GPS coordinates from a compatible device.
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[4:17] <DataSpree> what's new?
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[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> not much... some shipping dates coming up.
[4:19] <DataSpree> sweet
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I think they're wrong though
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[4:19] <DataSpree> not sweet
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[4:31] <Habstinat> So I've been conversing with others, and it seems like it would indeed be possible to use the Garmin USB ANT Stick as a wireless internet connection device (but not a WiFi device), by basically having it assist a tunnel between two computers in a LAN, where one requests webpages from the other. I
[4:31] <Habstinat> just opened a discussion bout it here if anyone wants to input: https://github.com/braiden/python-ant-downloader/issues/14
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[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, it's a great wireless communication device... but not a wifi device.
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[4:37] <DataSpree> is anyone here thinking about replacing the power regulators on their raspberry pi board?
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[4:39] <DataSpree> doesn't the raspberry pi use a linear regulator?
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the people who do that kind of thinking have gone to sleep already.
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Last I checked, the decided switchmode was too expensive
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> but that was ages ago
[4:40] <Henchman21> sweet mine shipped
[4:41] <Henchman21> psych
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> or so it says
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[4:42] <sqrt[evil]> there's a power supply schematic somewhere i think
[4:42] <sqrt[evil]> iirc there is 1 switchmode regulator, maybe for 3v3?
[4:47] <DataSpree> I've read that the alpha board had a switching mode power supply but they had to replace it with linear regulators in order to keep the $25/$35 price
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[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> mdavey should know that sort of stuff, if you see him on here, ask.
[4:47] <sqrt[evil]> maybe so, i was thinking the soc probably has a switchmod reg in it
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[4:49] <sqrt[evil]> but it might still be cheaper to use a linear one...inductors are pretty expensive
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[8:06] <huene> !w
[8:06] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 2??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 17??C - 5??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[8:07] <weuxel> I would like to have my RPI now, please.
[8:08] <huene> me too ... but i guess i still have to wait a few months
[8:09] <weuxel> Yep.
[8:11] <SpeedEvil> !w
[8:11] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 278K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later 290K - 280K. Condition: Clear.
[8:12] * SpeedEvil looks at weather forecast, and decides he needs to run off some hot water.
[8:12] <SpeedEvil> - otherwise it will boil - solar thermal hot water
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[8:58] <Da|Mummy> !w 44060
[8:58] <PiBot> Da|Mummy: in Mentor, OH on Tue Mar 27 05:53:00 2012. Temp 2??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 59%, Later 13??C - 10??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[9:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:25] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 6??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later 17??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[9:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> moren
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[12:32] <piless> is it out yet?
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[12:40] <des2> Yes.
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[12:56] <piless> oh
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[13:35] <Matt> RaTTuS|BIG: runcorn as in runcorn, cheshire?
[13:35] <Kolin> as in where 2 pints of lager is set?
[13:36] <Matt> never really watched that
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[13:36] <Matt> the whole moving to canada thing really screwed up with watching UK TV :)
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[13:36] <Kolin> :)
[13:37] <Matt> but runcorn's not far from my old stomping grounds
[13:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> Matt yes
[13:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> well I work in Runcorn
[13:38] * Matt 's from Warrington
[13:38] <Matt> Thelwall if we're being specific
[13:38] <Tachyon`> http://invisiblebread.com/2012/03/computer-repair/
[13:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
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[13:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> time for coffee
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[13:40] <Tachyon`> perhaps that's why the repair failed, insufficient caffeine
[13:40] * blane is now known as drazyl
[13:40] <drazyl> one sugar please!
[13:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2012/03/rnd_20120327_1930.mp3
[13:42] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ eben has a 100 from china
[13:42] <RaTTuS|BIG> 5 min mark
[13:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> not sure when it was recorded though
[13:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/871
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[13:47] <Thorn_> if they're just going through ce certification... dont they have to re-do the boards to stamp the "CE" logo ?
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[13:48] <Matt> nah, you can put it on a sticker :)
[13:48] <vgrade> https://twitter.com/#!/JamesH65 cryptic tweet here
[13:48] <Thorn_> i hope they dont put the sticker on without laquering over it! that'll last about a day
[13:49] <vgrade> how does the CE process work if this is not shipped with a PSU
[13:51] <drazyl> same way anything else does that you might connect to something else
[13:51] <shirro> as long as it is used with compliant whatever it is compliant
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[13:52] <shirro> well that might not be how CE works but from memory that is sort of how it goes here
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[13:53] <vgrade> so it will get tested with various power supplies
[13:54] <drazyl> I would presume they will check with a CE supply of the recommended capacity
[13:55] <shirro> if you use it with a dodgy home made switching power supply that brings down aircraft it isn't their fault.
[13:55] <drazyl> yay!
[13:56] <shirro> So I have a birthday in just under two weeks. What are my chances?
[13:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> low
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[13:56] <PaulFertser> Hm, where do i get a PSU that can bring down an aircraft, anybody?
[13:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> better chance of being drunk
[13:57] <shirro> PaulFertser: As Iran.
[13:57] <shirro> Ask even
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[13:59] <PaulFertser> shirro: that's all moot. They have probably jammed the military gps signal while providing their own fake civilian.
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[14:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/jakubczaplicki/status/184578621611048961/photo/1
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[14:04] <IT_Sean> Morning all
[14:04] <drazyl> evening
[14:05] <IT_Sean> Where are you?
[14:05] <drazyl> here
[14:05] <drazyl> <----
[14:05] <IT_Sean> ...
[14:05] <ironzorg> o/
[14:06] <IT_Sean> \o
[14:06] <Matt> morning IT_Sean
[14:06] <IT_Sean> Morning, Matt
[14:08] <shirro> Cool. Au prices are now officially what my order has said since 29th.
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[14:09] <shirro> Still not charging NZ enough :-)
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[14:10] <Ben64> what how did that guy get a pi
[14:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> someone in cambrigde I think - given by eden probably
[14:12] <Ben64> : /
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[14:12] <Matt> my bro used to be in cambridge
[14:13] <Matt> but he finished his undergrad and moved to oxford to do his phd
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[15:48] <SBeans> hola Pi
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[16:24] <rimmick> !ticket
[16:24] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:25] <mkopack> Hey gang
[16:25] <ReggieUK> hi
[16:25] <mkopack> No new news huh?
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[16:26] <ReggieUK> lots
[16:26] <ReggieUK> but none of it about pi
[16:26] <vinters> that's like i'm doing it the bestest
[16:26] <vinters> new news that is
[16:27] <Caver> well there is the latest on the gert board from yesterday
[16:28] <mkopack> Well, looks like there's a "Pricing matrix update" on the main page
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[16:30] <Caver> hmm interesting!
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[16:31] <Caver> that seems to be less than I was expecting, so thats a nice thing :)
[16:32] <mkopack> Wish we'd get a status update on the testing??? geesh
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[16:36] <Caver> me too
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[16:39] <mkopack> At least I have my new Pandaboard to play with in the mean time
[16:40] <Caver> aha you got it
[16:40] <Caver> pleased with it?
[16:40] <piless> is it out yet?
[16:40] <drazyl> yes and no
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[16:41] <mkopack> Well, I got it up and running last night with the full Ubuntu image running off SD.. and OMG it's SLOOOOOOOW. Doesn't help that after logging in and getting to the desktop, it's already used up more than 1/2 of the 1GB RAM....
[16:41] <ReggieUK> is that on your beaglethingy?
[16:41] <Caver> Panda thingy :)
[16:41] <drazyl> that ubuntu for you
[16:42] <mkopack> So, looking at ways to run either a stripped down "core" ubuntu with a less hungry desktop manager and less crap installed by default. They also say that running off a USB HD is a LOT faster.
[16:42] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, same thing kinda :D Low powered linux board
[16:42] <Caver> erk ... you could at least go the lubuntu route!!
[16:42] <Caver> full on ubuntu is just cruel and usual punishment
[16:42] <piless> stick xp on it
[16:42] <mkopack> I was just surprised given that the Panda has WAY more CPU + RAM the the RPi yet what I experienced on the Panda was really sluggish last night
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[16:42] <Caver> windows 8 :{
[16:42] <Caver> :P
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[16:43] <ReggieUK> I'm betting that come release day there will be a load of people in here asking about installing ubuntu
[16:43] <ReggieUK> on the pi
[16:43] <Caver> yup
[16:43] <piless> it won't help that you're putting a desktop os on a machine that wasn't designed with that in mind.
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[16:43] <mkopack> Wel, that's the Panda's default OS - Ubunutu. WHY they do that I don't know. It's a PIG.
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[16:44] <rimmick> armed slackare will run
[16:45] <piless> mkopack: as are all the linux distros. install xp on it
[16:45] <piless> windows ce will work on the panda
[16:45] <drazyl> poor panda
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[16:46] <mkopack> Eh, I'll get it going??? I only had like an hour to play with it last night...
[16:46] <mkopack> The community support so far is way less than what I'm finding for the Rpi
[16:46] <mkopack> Much less organized
[16:46] <piless> it's those neckbeards
[16:47] <piless> you should give up on the panda and just go back to hooters.
[16:47] <ReggieUK> surprising that it's not got much in the way of support considering that it's supposed to be 'better' than the pi
[16:47] <drazyl> more memory = for newbies
[16:47] <drazyl> :)
[16:47] <piless> it's all about popularity, the more popular it is the bigger support
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[16:48] <ReggieUK> doesn't mean the quality of support will be better :)
[16:48] <Caver> ahaha true
[16:48] <mkopack> Reggie: Yeah, I would have thought that, with it being 1) available and 2) been around for a while, that there'd be more concise and organized support pages, but it just seems to be all over the place. Conflicting information, stuff talking about different versions, etc.
[16:48] <rimmick> what's panda?
[16:48] <drazyl> who wants quality support, look at the quantity!!!!!
[16:48] <IT_Sean> No, but, more popular = more users = greater likelyhood of one of them knowing something useful.
[16:49] <mkopack> rimmick: Pandaboard.org
[16:49] <Caver> rimmick, http://pandaboard.org/
[16:49] <drazyl> 10,000 pages all telling you a different solution
[16:49] <piless> stick wince on it
[16:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> blendit ?
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[16:50] <Caver> lol harsh
[16:50] <IT_Sean> Why isn't it lunchtime yet?
[16:50] <drazyl> because it was 3 hours ago
[16:50] <rimmick> is that a vga port on the pandaboard??
[16:51] <rimmick> nope, serial
[16:51] <piless> vga > hdmi
[16:51] <drazyl> or is it just pleased to see you?
[16:51] <IT_Sean> drazyl: actually, it's not for another hour
[16:51] * discomeats (~howismyir@213-152-32-22.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[16:51] <piless> the time is 15:50
[16:51] <rimmick> seems like i have to get another monitor if I want to join to the arm-board master-race
[16:52] <IT_Sean> 10:50, piless
[16:52] <drazyl> IT_Sean you and your comedy timezones :)
[16:52] <IT_Sean> drazyl: hush you.
[16:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://pandaboard.org/node/300/#specs
[16:52] <piless> BST > EVERYTHING ELSE
[16:52] <IT_Sean> EST > *
[16:52] <rimmick> RaTTuS|BIG: Iwas there, ty :)
[16:52] <piless> BST > GMT = UTC > *
[16:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[16:53] <Caver> rimmick, do you have a TV?
[16:53] <drazyl> as it's 10:50 there and 15:50 here quite clearly EST < BST
[16:53] <piless> precisely
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Why? I have the entire rest of the day to look forward to. You've already wasted most of it arguing on the innernet. Therefor EST > *
[16:55] <rimmick> Caver: yeah. an old crt
[16:55] <drazyl> but arguing on teh interweb is what the day is for
[16:55] <Caver> well can always plug that into the Composite port
[16:55] <Caver> in true olden times style :)
[16:56] <rimmick> Caver: I thoung that too
[16:56] <mkopack> Hmm, in the "1950 over Siberia" thread on the forum,s Liz posted this: "I'll have some news on this for you before the end of the day ??? I have to wait for some people to have meetings and make decisions based on them before I can let you know more, but we're excited too!"
[16:56] * Caver remembers turning the colour down to zero, to reduce the PAL interfearce on Mode 0 on the BBC B
[16:56] * IT_Sean plugs Caver's console port
[16:56] <piless> GMT = Prime Meridian
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[16:56] <drazyl> just think, befoer teh interwebz i cud only argue wiv peopl in teh same tim zone
[16:56] <Caver> yup
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[16:57] <ReggieUK> eh?
[16:57] <rimmick> I hope that the rpi will be cheap to bring here to coolobia
[16:57] <drazyl> be?
[16:57] <piless> mkopack: Almost guaranteed is a negative announcement
[16:57] <ReggieUK> we did have intercontinental communications before the interwebs you know
[16:57] <IT_Sean> piless: stop being so negative.
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[16:57] <piless> IT_Sean: Stop being so wrong about timezones.
[16:57] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, some people are problems people, some people are solutions people
[16:57] <drazyl> ReggieUK yes but it was harder to argue with strangers
[16:58] <IT_Sean> I'll stop being correct about time zones if you stop being so negative
[16:58] <ReggieUK> I wonder which kind of person piless is?
[16:58] <IT_Sean> Heh
[16:58] <piless> a wonderful person
[16:58] <ReggieUK> ;)
[16:58] <IT_Sean> If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate. (and yes, i know i misspelt that)
[16:58] <rimmick> I could give a raspberry to mi gf, she doesnt have a personal pc but she have internet conection and a tv
[16:59] <drazyl> if you are not part of the solution, you're not keeping up with the drinking
[16:59] <IT_Sean> I like that one
[16:59] <drazyl> I'll license it to you for a very reasonable fee
[17:00] <piless> drazyl: but it doesn't make any sense.
[17:00] * IT_Sean offers drazyl an annual licensing fee of ??0.00
[17:00] <drazyl> piless you obviously aren't keeping up either
[17:00] <drazyl> IT_Sean sold!
[17:00] <IT_Sean> WOOT!
[17:00] <piless> At least you admit that ?? > $
[17:00] <ReggieUK> IF you're not part of the solution, you're insoluble!
[17:00] <ironzorg> rimmick: make her a nice lego case
[17:00] <drazyl> but do you blend?
[17:01] <IT_Sean> Actually, i just never switched my keymapping back on this latop. I remppaed the USD symbol for the GBP symbol last week.
[17:01] <piless> If you're not part of the solution then you can jog on.
[17:01] <rimmick> ironzorg: yeah, =D
[17:01] <Caver> square root of -1, 2 to the power of 3, Sigma, Pi
[17:01] <IT_Sean> $
[17:01] <IT_Sean> ahh, that's better
[17:01] <drazyl> over here I can haz ??, $ and # on my keyboard
[17:01] <rimmick> currently isther a relase date?
[17:01] <rimmick> at least temtative?
[17:01] <IT_Sean> I only has $
[17:01] <piless> ??????????????????????????????
[17:02] <rimmick> temptative
[17:02] <IT_Sean> US keyboard. top row of numbers have the following symbols, in order: !@#$%^&*()_+
[17:02] <piless> IT_Sean: what does alt-gr + 4 do?
[17:02] <IT_Sean> alt-gr ?
[17:03] <piless> yes
[17:03] <IT_Sean> what the arse is a gr ?
[17:03] <piless> it's a key
[17:03] <Caver> right hand alt ....
[17:03] <ReggieUK> right alt
[17:03] <piless> to the right of the space bar
[17:03] <IT_Sean> oooh
[17:03] * rimmick (be910aea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.145.10.234) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[17:03] <ReggieUK> it's angry function key usage
[17:03] <shirro> That is my compose key. When I am on the other computers
[17:03] <IT_Sean> ??
[17:04] <piless> by the way your quotes and at keys are the wrong way round
[17:04] <IT_Sean> they are?
[17:04] <ukscone> http://t.co/W7X2Km9d can someone check this link works plase
[17:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/mn/MBR size=446 count=1
[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes ukscone
[17:05] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, no they're not
[17:05] <IT_Sean> The UK keyboard tripped me up to NO end while i was over there, on customer machines.
[17:05] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: thnx
[17:05] <piless> you know what really pisses me off.. that apple keyboards in the uk don't follow the uk keyboard layout
[17:05] <ukscone> sorry i had a beta function turnd on
[17:05] <IT_Sean> With your silly enlarged enter key, and the |\ key in the wrong spot and all
[17:05] <shirro> is the uk the only english speaking country which doesn't have a proper english keyboard?
[17:05] <ReggieUK> ukscone, nice b-em emulator :)
[17:06] <piless> it makes sense, backslash and forward slashes next to the respective shift keys
[17:06] <IT_Sean> It doesn't if you've used the US layout all your life.
[17:07] <piless> just means you've been doing it wrong all your life
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Ok, fine. It may be LOGICAL. But it is confusing as all get out to an American.
[17:07] <ukscone> ReggieUK: been haveing a problem with 2.1a as it's being fussy about lib versions & wants so that are a pig to build. be easier once we hav a newer debian rootfs
[17:07] <piless> do you call the hash key a hash key or a pound key?
[17:08] <ReggieUK> hash
[17:08] <piless> ukscone: are you a bigwig on the forums?
[17:08] <IT_Sean> Personally, i call it a hash key.
[17:08] <shirro> whats a pound key?
[17:08] <IT_Sean> Most 'Mericans would call it a pound key.
[17:08] <IT_Sean> # <-- pound key
[17:08] <shirro> thats a hash
[17:08] <ReggieUK> piless, he's a bigwig round here
[17:08] <piless> haaaaaaaaaaash
[17:09] <ReggieUK> ?? that's a pound key
[17:09] <IT_Sean> As i said, most 'Mericans would call it a pound symbol.
[17:09] <shirro> whats a pound?
[17:09] <piless> ??
[17:09] <IT_Sean> a unit of measure of weight. :p
[17:09] <Henchman21> i know what hash is
[17:09] <piofcube> shirro: 100 pennies ;-)
[17:09] <ReggieUK> > 100c
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> a small lunp of hash for 100pennies
[17:10] <piless> deal
[17:10] <IT_Sean> heynow
[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> ehash
[17:10] <IT_Sean> Don't forget the cut for the house
[17:10] <piless> IT_Sean: What about the hidden fbi agents?
[17:10] <drazyl> he can buy his own
[17:10] <IT_Sean> i kicked them out weeks ago.
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[17:11] <piofcube> RaTTuS... make sure piless pre-registers his interest in buying that first
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[17:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[17:12] <shirro> Is it kind of sad that I replaced the bootlogo on my imx53 with a raspberry?
[17:12] <piless> yes
[17:12] <drazyl> yes
[17:13] <Caver> yes
[17:13] <piless> change it to the vista logo
[17:13] <drazyl> or a PONY
[17:13] <piless> NO
[17:13] <piless> fuck these bronies
[17:13] <piless> worse than furries
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[17:14] <shirro> I should make it a pony until the Pi arrives. One of the flying ones.
[17:14] <piless> pegasus?
[17:14] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:14] <piofcube> my little pony
[17:15] <IT_Sean> It's sad that you know their names.
[17:15] <Henchman21> pegasus
[17:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> rainbow pi
[17:15] <piless> pegasus is from greek mythology..
[17:15] <lee> want Pi.
[17:15] <Henchman21> flutterpi
[17:15] <lee> the end of May seems so far away!
[17:16] <IT_Sean> Don't wish the spring away!
[17:16] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyrAkwJ6WsY
[17:16] <piless> I think I'm going to be sick
[17:16] * IT_Sean hands piless the puke bucket
[17:17] <Henchman21> stay out of fluttershy's shed
[17:17] <piofcube> piless: you going to be sick? Why... you realised you didn't have one of those ponies in your collection?
[17:18] * piless stabs Henchman21 in his stupid brony head
[17:18] <drazyl> piless is just jealous
[17:18] * Caver admits to having pulled the tail out of my sisters one, on more than one occasion
[17:18] <piless> oh my god.. this channel is full of 'em
[17:18] <drazyl> PONIES!
[17:20] <IT_Sean> NO MORE MY LITTLE PONY BULLCRAP!
[17:20] <drazyl> you don't like ponies?
[17:20] <piless> nazi
[17:21] <piofcube> sean prefers Barney
[17:21] <IT_Sean> HELLO NO
[17:21] <drazyl> ahhhh, the enless struggle throughout time, Barney vs Pony
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[17:21] <IT_Sean> big blue dancing d-bag dinosaur thing. ::shudder::
[17:21] <piless> stop with the all caps or you'll be kicked
[17:22] <Caver> erk
[17:22] <piless> good
[17:25] <Henchman21> http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29400000/hurricane-fluttershy-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-29419613-500-510.jpg
[17:27] <piless> Henchman21: seriously, this is a pg13 channel, don't post that shite here.
[17:29] <Caver> Henchman21 got told off ...
[17:29] <piless> you better listen to me too, or else!
[17:29] <drazyl> yeah, better behave or piless will be all negative at you
[17:30] <IT_Sean>
[17:30] <piless> IT_Sean: OP please
[17:30] * jamesglanville1 (~james@62.49.187.64) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[17:30] <IT_Sean> Whadda need?
[17:30] <piless> To ban the bronies
[17:30] <Caver> oooh power stuggle
[17:30] <IT_Sean> I can't ban someone for being a fruity d-bag. Unfortunatly.
[17:31] <piless> sure you can, or let me do it
[17:31] <IT_Sean> No. And no.
[17:31] <piless> ReggieUK: OP please
[17:31] <drazyl> ban piless for wanting too much power!!!!
[17:32] <piless> that's not a crime
[17:32] <Caver> says you
[17:33] <drazyl> but apparently having a sense of humour about my little pony is?
[17:33] <piless> yes
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[17:33] <piless> I need op
[17:33] <drazyl> yes you do
[17:33] <piless> I've made a list
[17:33] * Caver eats the list
[17:33] <IT_Sean> MLP is a plage upon this earth, and should be violently eradicated without delay.
[17:33] <Caver> with a sugar lump
[17:34] <drazyl> oooh, I know who likes a sugar lump!
[17:34] <Hourd> IT_Sean: i second
[17:34] <piless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plage_(astronomy) ?
[17:34] <IT_Sean> *plague
[17:34] <IT_Sean> (bit me... t'was a typo)
[17:34] <piless> bit?
[17:35] <Caver> LOL
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[17:35] * Caver bit's IT_Sean hard
[17:35] <drazyl> MLP? http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/commodities-precious-metals/master-limited-partnership-mlp-803
[17:35] <piless> dude
[17:35] * IT_Sean gives up
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[17:37] * PiBot sets mode +v piless_
[17:37] <piless_> is it out yet?
[17:37] * IT_Sean gives piless a raspi
[17:37] <piless_> wooooooo
[17:38] * IT_Sean pocets the handful of very cretical SMT components that he took off the raspi while piless wasn't looking
[17:39] <IT_Sean> *pockets
[17:39] <IT_Sean> **critical
[17:39] <ReggieUK> ponies smell
[17:39] <ReggieUK> whoops a bit late on that conversation
[17:40] * piless (5ec50e6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.14.107) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[17:40] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[17:40] <IT_Sean> A bit.
[17:40] <Caver> not to be confused with a bite
[17:40] <Caver> or a byte
[17:41] <IT_Sean> megabite me, Caver. :p
[17:41] <IT_Sean> *megabyte (dammit!)
[17:41] <drazyl> think you need a drink
[17:42] <IT_Sean> I agree.
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[17:42] <piless_> before lunch?
[17:43] <Henchman21> http://i.imgur.com/m16yS.jpg
[17:44] <IT_Sean> piless_: it's nearly 5 o clock somewhere.
[17:44] <piless_> in the superior timezone
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[17:44] * PiBot sets mode +v nelson
[17:44] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[17:45] <drazyl> and gets 7?
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[17:45] <piless_> snake eyes
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Noo.
[17:45] <IT_Sean> :|
[17:46] <drazyl> no announcement until tomorrow apparently
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[17:47] * PiBot sets mode +v setkeh
[17:47] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[17:47] * setkeh (~setkeh@CPE-120-144-42-68.lnse5.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Client Quit)
[17:47] <drazyl> although I did hear that the announcement that only orders will a valid MLP fanclub ID will be accepted
[17:48] <drazyl> as Liz is a huge fan
[17:48] <ReggieUK> drazyl, who's tomorrow?
[17:48] <drazyl> mine
[17:48] <ReggieUK> UK, US or Australia?
[17:49] <drazyl> for the future belongs to me
[17:49] <piless_> uk
[17:49] <drazyl> ooops, I said that out loud didn't I?
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[17:49] <drazyl> as Liz is making the post it will be UK time presumably - they are waiting for a phone call
[17:49] * ReggieUK tries to work out if he's on the right side of the meridian to be from the future
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[17:49] <drazyl> ReggieUK do you have a pi yet?
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> Bah. After all that, we're still waiting on a call from someone, so that post will have to go up tomorrow, not today.
[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> so +16 hours
[17:50] <ReggieUK> ha, I believe I am
[17:50] <piless_> the announcement will probably be a blog post about her favourite type of tart
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[17:50] <drazyl> I like mine <CENSORED>
[17:50] <ReggieUK> drazyl, I have 3, 1 steak and kidney, 2 chicken and mushroom
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[17:50] <drazyl> ReggieUK sounds like the future to me
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[17:53] <ReggieUK> only by a couple of minutes drazyl
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[17:53] <ReggieUK> so does that make me faster than cern?
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[17:53] <IT_Sean> No.
[17:53] <ReggieUK> :(
[17:53] <drazyl> ReggieUK more successful at least
[17:53] <ReggieUK> come on I can do crap math too
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[17:54] * IT_Sean loads drazyl into the LHC and presses the GO button
[17:54] <drazyl> weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[17:54] <ReggieUK> I always wondered what it'd be like to be a particle
[17:54] <piless_> the lhc doesn't have a go button
[17:54] <IT_Sean> piless_: how do you know!?
[17:54] <ReggieUK> I bet it does
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[17:54] <IT_Sean> I bet it does, as well.
[17:55] <drazyl> so this is where all the pi's went!
[17:55] <IT_Sean> A big green one. Illuminated.
[17:55] <IT_Sean> With the word "GO" on a placard above it.
[17:55] <drazyl> no, it would have a flip up guard and then a toggle switch
[17:55] <IT_Sean> That's how i'd do it.
[17:55] <IT_Sean> I'd also have a key switch to disable the GO button, of course.
[17:55] <IT_Sean> So, key in, turn, press GO button
[17:56] <Caver> :)
[17:56] <Caver> I don't know about LHC, but I did get to go on a tour around JET week before last
[17:56] <IT_Sean> Was there a "GO" button?
[17:56] <Caver> they do take the radiation rather seriously
[17:56] <Caver> yup!
[17:57] <IT_Sean> SEE!
[17:57] <IT_Sean> I KNEW IT!
[17:57] <IT_Sean> :D
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[17:58] <drazyl> two keys set 10 feet apart
[17:59] <IT_Sean> So, is there someone there with REALLY long arms?
[17:59] <Caver> have you ever seen Superman III ?
[17:59] <IT_Sean> No.
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[18:08] <mkopack> YEs Liz is back in the UK
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[18:49] <aditsu> http://cheezburger.com/6034958848
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[20:45] <piless> is it out yet?
[20:45] <IT_Sean> No.
[20:45] <piless> oh
[20:45] * IT_Sean takes back the RaspberryPi that he gave to piless the last time he asked that question
[20:45] <piless> that one was missing parts
[20:46] <IT_Sean> Who do you think took those parts off!? :p
[20:46] * smw shoots IT_Sean and steals his RaspberryPi
[20:46] * IT_Sean replaces the missing parts, and has himself a functioning raspi
[20:46] <smw> IT_Sean, not anymore ;-)
[20:46] <IT_Sean> ?
[20:47] * smw shoots IT_Sean and steals his working RaspberryPi
[20:47] <IT_Sean> you missed
[20:47] * IT_Sean stabs smw in the back, and stashes his corpse in piless's basement
[20:48] <piless> we don't really have basements in the uk
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[20:48] <piless> sometimes you do, but it's not as common as over there
[20:48] * IT_Sean stabs smw in the back, and stashes his corpse in piless's garden shed
[20:48] <IT_Sean> I don't have a basement, actually.
[20:49] <zgreg> well... is it out yet?
[20:49] * IT_Sean shoots zgreg in the backside w/ a paintball gun
[20:49] <piless> NEW BLOG POST!
[20:49] <IT_Sean> No, it isn't.
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[21:00] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: haaiiii!!
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[21:01] <IT_Sean> ... ... ... hi.
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[21:01] <Hopsy> stereohead-away: did you already bought one?
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[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[21:06] <aditsu> http://cheezburger.com/6034958848
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[21:09] <Winslow> Does anyone know if you order one via newark at it is backordered if they charge your card right away or do they charge it once it ships?
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[21:12] <Winslow> Nvm found the answer: Card is charged once it ships.
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[21:13] <_av500_> so never
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[21:16] <mkopack> Winslow: Why, do you have a charge or no?
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> my ex says her card got charged, but I think she's wrong. I ordered mine as the same time and mine didn't get charged, so she must be on something.
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[21:17] <mkopack> Might have just had an authorization check done
[21:18] <mkopack> Let me check mine
[21:19] <mkopack> Nope, no charge from Newark
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[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, still think yours will be sent on friday?
[21:24] <mkopack> Doubt it'll happen, but that's what it's still showing for Estimated ship date. So, I guess we'll just wait and see!
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[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> the faq says the reworked boards are not even in the UK yet
[21:26] <mkopack> At this point, I don't trust any faq / salesperson / account rep /etc. NONE of them seems to have any sort of real facts. When we DO see a FAQ from RS or Farnell, it always seems to be posted 3-5 days AFTER we've gotten the same info from the RPF??? So I don't think anyone really has a solid idea, or the ones who do aren't in a position where they can make formal announcements.
[21:27] <hotwings> indeed
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[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> They'd certainly be guilty of being overly optimistic about when they can deliver them, but I don't think they'd push the dates further than what they think is the absolute soonest possible.
[21:28] <hotwings> at this point, i dont care what anyone says, including rpf and so on. ill believe it when i am holding it in my hand
[21:28] <IT_Sean> The only 100% reliable indication that orders are shipping is when people's cards get charged.
[21:28] <Da|Mummy> i have a structured settlement and i need cash now!
[21:29] <hotwings> thats not 100% reliable. but a tracking number is
[21:29] <mkopack> And they receive tracking numbers (although I probably won't get that since I picked cheapest ground shipping, so USPS)
[21:29] <mkopack> Mummy: Call J.G. Wentworth 877-cash-now!
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[21:30] <hotwings> mkopack - i picked that shipping method also but was told by newark that theyll be sent via 2nd day air cuz they have a deal where they get the same price
[21:30] <Da|Mummy> this is what you people sound like...
[21:30] <mkopack> nice
[21:30] <IT_Sean> I hate those commercials.
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> shipping should be 'free' end express
[21:30] <mkopack> You have to admit, they're catchy. You're going to remember the number!
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> so it doesn't matter what shipping method you chose
[21:30] <Da|Mummy> its my rpi, and i need it now!
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you ordered from the export site I guess
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> You can order a 10c resistor in the morning and have it delivered to you on the same day. That's the good thing about farnell.
[21:31] <mkopack> So, I've gotten one of my grades back - A??? Waiting on the one for the Graphics class still
[21:31] <Da|Mummy> yay newegg
[21:31] <fragalot> you can't, however, do the same if you want an rpi
[21:32] <mkopack> Hoping for an A+ in that one
[21:32] <fragalot> :P
[21:32] <IT_Sean> mkopack: C-
[21:32] <Da|Mummy> i had no idea my gold rpi was worth SO MUCH MONEY!
[21:32] <mkopack> Nah, that's mathematically impossible :)
[21:32] <mkopack> Mummy: HAHA, they made fun of that on Southpark last week??? All the Cash 4 Gold crap
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[21:33] <aditsu> want pi now
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[21:33] <Da|Mummy> ya i saw
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, that was a good SP episode
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[21:34] <mkopack> the end with all the people calling into the HSN show telling the guy to kill himself was hillarious
[21:34] <mkopack> Telling him he was too scared to do it..
[21:34] <mkopack> SOOO wrong
[21:35] <mkopack> And Cartman going into the Asian woman's jewelry store???. HAHAHA
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, that reminded me of my trip to China. My friend was looking at some jewlerry and every salesperson kept telling her how smart she was after everything she said.
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[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> If you try to walk away, they'll actually grab your arm and not let you go O_o
[21:37] <IT_Sean> o_O
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> in Beijing anyway... Guangzhou is much more civil.
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[21:38] <mkopack> after seeing the way those people act when there's a new Apple store or apple product, NO THANKS. That's a country I could do without visiting...
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean?
[21:39] <steve_rox> apple cult
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> What does China have to do with that? O_o
[21:40] <mkopack> Look how many times they've had to have the riot police come out because there's a stampede when the new store opens or the new product comes on sale, all because they want to get in, buy 100 and black market them
[21:40] <Da|Mummy> because no single person was ever killed in walmart during black friday
[21:40] <mkopack> We only act like that on Black Friday :)
[21:40] <Da|Mummy> over an xbox
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Ahm, 99% of people in China couldn't care less... it's just that 1% in China is a lot more than 1% elsewhere, lol.
[21:41] <mkopack> Yeah
[21:41] <Da|Mummy> because theres 19 billion chinese
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[21:41] <mkopack> a crap load more??? plus my god their cities are horribly polluted
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[21:42] <Da|Mummy> it really is time for chine to start taking over countries to get more land
[21:42] <mkopack> My sister lived in Taiwan for a year and she said the smog was amazing??? It was like the whole island was just covered in the smog from all the pollution non stop
[21:42] <Da|Mummy> should go to india first, i hear that place is deserted
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, depends on the area and time of year. I'd actually expect Taiwan to be a lot better than mainland china.
[21:44] <mkopack> Nah, actually worse - tons of factories packed in tight. They have very limited land space. It's like that whole island is one big frickin factory!
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[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, that wouldn't be possible, she must've stayed to one area of the island. There are too many mountain ranges for that.
[21:46] <mkopack> I thnk she stayed partway up one of the mountains. IT was like the only place where she could go where her Asthema wouldn't bother her from all the smog
[21:46] <Da|Mummy> yet, usa uses more than 2x the time the oil that china uses
[21:46] <mkopack> Yeah ,but we have strict environmental controls on the burning of it...
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[21:46] <mkopack> clean air act and all that stuff
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> It's still a great place to visit. You don't have to like the politics or agree 100% with the culture to appreciate it. I'll probably go back to live there for a few months eventually.
[21:47] <mkopack> We might not be perfect, but at least we woke up in the late 60's, early 70's and realized we needed to start protecting our environment??? China hasn't yet.
[21:47] <Da|Mummy> whats the clean air act do? prodivde usa with cars 3x the size of everyone else?
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> And I wouldn't put Taiwan in the same category as mainland China.... completly different culture and political system. Taiwan is much nicer in that sense.
[21:48] <mkopack> It forces those cars to have extremely low emissions (relative to what they put out back before the act)
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[21:48] <Da|Mummy> clean air act is about the same as the no child left behind act
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[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> When you talk about US pollution, are you talking about per capita or overall?
[21:50] <mkopack> Both...
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> 'cause I think higher energy consumption per capita is a luxury you can afford when you have a sparse population.
[21:50] <mkopack> Yes we have it??? but we've also made it a point to try to clean a lot of it up
[21:50] <mkopack> Or when we can't, then at least control the growth of it
[21:51] <mkopack> Like, LA used to have horrible smog from the pollution??? That's actually gotten a lot better over the last 15 years
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[21:52] <mkopack> Atlanta started getting it in the summer time, and so they passed a bunch of rules requiring cars to go through emissions control tests every year, won't let your car registration renew if it fails, and they changed the fuel blend to reduce the smog producing chemicals in the summertime
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[21:53] <mkopack> Sewage now can't be just blindly dumbed back into a river - the communities are required to treat it and get it back to 100% drinkable standards before returning it to rivers and lakes
[21:53] <mkopack> Major fines for companies found breaking rules for dumping and such
[21:53] <mkopack> It didn't used to be like that back in the 60's and early 70's???
[21:53] <traeak> guanzhou civil? holy crap, guanzhou is pretty crime ridden
[21:55] <Da|Mummy> yet bottled water is a huge business in usa, while much of the world drinks the same stuff from their tap
[21:55] <traeak> bottled water isn't really any better than tap
[21:56] <Da|Mummy> some of it tastes MUCH better
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> sure it is.... less heavy elements and no fluoride. Also, the house pipes can often be dirty. I can tell tap water from bottled water 100% of the time, so the "blind tests" I see on TV where people can't tell confuddle me.
[21:57] <mkopack> depends on the source??? often the "bottled" water is just municipal water that has gone through something like a Brita filter unit - which you can do at home...
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Unless the tap water if filtered
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[21:57] <traeak> well filtering tap water is probably most cost effective
[21:57] <traeak> chlorine, etc
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> most bottled water is just filtered tap water, but filtering makes hell of a lot of difference to me.
[21:57] <mkopack> They make it sound like it's this pure stuff coming from a mountain spring, when in reality, it's just filtered stuff
[21:58] <Da|Mummy> either way, usa is not as clean as it says it is....ive been around the world enough to see that
[21:58] <Matt> you probably wouldn't want to drink something that comes from a mountain spring without checking it first anyway :)
[21:58] <mkopack> MAtt: agreed :)
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Why?
[21:58] <Da|Mummy> i have in other countries, and it sure tastes better than anything from a bottled water
[21:58] * Matt can speak with some authority on the matter
[21:59] * Da|Mummy can speak after drinking mountain water
[21:59] <Matt> given I used to work for a company who sold the microbial testing supplies to food and beverage manufacturers
[21:59] <mkopack> Mummy: Sure, right up until it gives you diareah...
[21:59] <IT_Sean> You drink water!? Fish f*ck in that, you know!
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, the Tasmanian mountain water was the best damn water I've ever had... and it's just water.
[21:59] <Da|Mummy> mkopack, youre thinking of usa food, you know, mcdonalds
[22:00] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: you never know if there's any contamination
[22:00] <mkopack> Man, I made the mistake of sucking on the ice from the soda I had while in St. Pete, Russia (back when it was Lenningrad) and OMG, the SECOND that plane landed in Helsinki, I was on the can for like 2 HOURS.
[22:00] <IT_Sean> naaaaasty
[22:00] <Matt> which is why, if you're out in the wild, you use water purification tablets :)
[22:00] <Da|Mummy> high protein?
[22:00] <mkopack> It was bad???
[22:01] <mkopack> Got on the bus, got to our hotel and then spent ANOTHER 2 in the bathroom there
[22:01] <mkopack> I couldn't eat for like 2 days
[22:01] <IT_Sean> nasty.
[22:01] <Matt> this is why water companies run counts of total coliform and e.coli :)
[22:01] <IT_Sean> That's why you don't use ice ir drink the water in countries with poor water purification practices
[22:01] <IT_Sean> *or
[22:01] <Matt> for which chromagar ecc was developed :)
[22:02] <Matt> allows you to count both on a single plate after a single incubation period
[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Matt, you wouldn't drink flowing water near a mountain top?
[22:02] <Matt> looks pretty too
[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> (without purification tablets)
[22:03] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: not without treating it, no :)
[22:03] <Matt> it
[22:03] <traeak> there's some bacteria tablets you can take before going to another country that's supposed to help with ecoli symptoms
[22:03] <Matt> it *should* be ok, but there's no guarentee
[22:03] <IT_Sean> For all you know, a goat dropped a deuce in that water.
[22:03] <IT_Sean> or something.
[22:03] <traeak> the deal being that bacteria is supposed to be able to overwhelm the ecoli
[22:03] <Matt> IT_Sean: quite - hence counting coliforms
[22:03] <Matt> they're an indicator of faecal contamination
[22:04] <IT_Sean> Why are we discussing fecal matter?
[22:04] <Matt> I dunno
[22:04] <Matt> someone brought up bottled water?
[22:04] <mkopack> Like we have OTHER shit to talk about? :)
[22:04] <traeak> in the US the primary contributor to giardia in the mountain water are those damn horses the outfitters use
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> grr... all the opengl es tutorials are for java >=/
[22:06] <mkopack> ?
[22:06] <Da|Mummy> how was that related to water talk ShiftPlusOne ?
[22:06] <Da|Mummy> get outta here with that dev mumbo jumbo
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh, sorry
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[22:07] <mkopack> shift :Where did you find those?
[22:07] <ShiftPlusOne> where did I find what?
[22:07] <mkopack> The tutorials
[22:07] * mkopack is a Java guy
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> google opengl es tutorials.... all aimed at android
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> even if you add c++
[22:08] <mkopack> Ah, that would make senes
[22:08] <mkopack> Hmm
[22:08] <mkopack> Well, it should be pretty much the same code though...
[22:08] <mkopack> I can't imagine the API's being very different...
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[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, I was just looking for a simple example I could copy/paste, compile and see if it works in the VM (doubt it, but still)
[22:09] <mkopack> http://www.khronos.org/opengles/
[22:10] <mkopack> There's links in there for man pages, quick reference guide, and header files
[22:10] <mkopack> might as well get it straight from the horses' mouth, right?
[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne> never
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> for me, man pages, references, header files and crappy doxygen documentation is only useful once you already know what you're doing and need a reference. If you want to learn from reference material, then it's just a pain.
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> but that's just me.
[22:11] <mkopack> Agreed, but with those and the Java examples, you should be able to figure out the traslations
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but you know.
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> too lazy for that right now. First need to modify SDL 1.2 to work with opengl es.
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> then I can work with what I know.
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[22:13] <mkopack> http://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/books/openglr_es_20_programming_guide_sample.pdf
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[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> the filename looks promising
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[22:14] <mkopack> np
[22:15] <mkopack> You might also want to look at the docs for iPhone since they use Objective C, it's not that different from C++, and also might be helpful
[22:15] <mkopack> In fact, I believe most of the OpenGL code you'll find for iOS are in C++ and not Obj-C
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[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp#GLES2 =D
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[22:21] <mkopack> there ya go!
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[22:43] <froxfield> whois titch515
[22:44] <froxfield> that would be me failing
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[22:45] <des2> Your penalty is to resolder 10,000 jacks by the end of the month.
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[22:46] <froxfield> lol I wish, at least I would get it quicker
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[22:47] <titch515> anyone here use AWS?
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[22:54] <IT_Sean> whassat?
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[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> if you have to ask, I assume that's a no
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Aye.
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Tha'd be a no.
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[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> what's that linux tool to trace kernel function calls?
[22:58] <petschge> strace?
[22:58] <IT_Sean> no clue. sorry.
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[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> strace sounds right
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[22:58] <ironzorg> ShiftPlusOne: strace
[22:58] <ironzorg> you could ptrace the process yourself too though
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[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ptrace?
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[23:00] <ironzorg> ShiftPlusOne: it's a C function, don't bother trying if you're not familiar with C
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[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, 'man ptrace' to the rescue.
[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, strace seems more straightforward.
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[23:16] <Matt> strace may or may not help :)
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[23:21] <PaulFertser> But there's ltrace to trace library calls too.
[23:22] <PaulFertser> And one can use systemtap to trace _inside_ the kernel itself, that's mad awesome.
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> strace helped just fine
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ping?
[23:23] <titch515> night all
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[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone know where sb2 get's it's include/lib paths from?
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[23:36] <ReggieUK> sb2?
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> scratchbox2
[23:37] <ReggieUK> ahh
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ok figured it out
[23:38] <ReggieUK> where's it hidden?
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[23:38] <shirro> doesn't it get the root from where it is init'ed?
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the rootfs had the files I needed in /opt
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> rather than /usr
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[23:41] <shirro> should go back to sb2 for another look. Just setting up distcc. My desk looks funny covered in old laptops.
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[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[23:43] <shirro> I realised there are half a dozen laptops lying around and not a single multicore i7 compile box. Whats a person to do?
[23:44] <sqrt[evil]> obviously go out and buy more hardware as it's been far too long between upgrades
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[23:47] <shirro> sqrt[evil]: this is true. I seem to have lots of low powered gadgety things at the expense of raw power.
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[23:47] <shirro> ofcourse the current obsession with arm cpus isn't helping any
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> raw power is overrated
[23:51] <shirro> I wish the damn cloud wasn't so far away. Last time I figured I needed a fast CPU was a big batch video transcode and it was still quicker to do it here on old hardware than upload it to fast servers overseas.
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