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IRC Log for 2012-03-29

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[0:08] <Davespice> just been reading about all the trolling on the forums
[0:08] <Davespice> can hardly believe it, what is wrong with people
[0:08] <Da|Mummy> vaporware twats
[0:09] <Davespice> I find I start to post less and less as I detect a background presence of trolls, mainly because I can't be bothered to deal with monitoring my posts for abuse
[0:10] <Davespice> anyway, I am glad the ban hammer is getting used
[0:10] <Davespice> the more right wing with these people they are the better *whack*
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[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nobody is trolling here =(
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[0:46] <ReggieUK> wasn't there supposed to be some news of some kind from rpf?
[0:49] <Vlad> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/878
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[1:03] <IT_Sean> That's such a load of crap.
[1:03] <IT_Sean> I'd tell both of them to go scratch, recall all the raspis, and distribute them myself
[1:04] <IT_Sean> Why are RS and Farnell being giving the ability to dictate terms?
[1:05] <lee> because they are providing manufacturing capability and removing the admin nightmare from the foundation's responsibility?
[1:05] <ReggieUK> well, kinda
[1:06] <ReggieUK> cos the foundation has still taken flak
[1:06] <ReggieUK> and farnell/rs haven't actually prevented the admin nightmare :)
[1:06] <lee> iirc they were going for CE compliance later in the year anyhow, might as well get all the ballache over with in one go
[1:07] <lee> no, but they're taking the flak rather than the foundation
[1:07] <ReggieUK> I'm not complaining, I'm happy to wait until they're ready to release
[1:07] <ReggieUK> they're taking some of the flak
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[1:07] <ReggieUK> but the foundation are still copping a fair amount of it
[1:08] <ReggieUK> nice to see that they expect it to pass category A for emissions
[1:08] <lee> I don't know what kind of legal nonsense surrounds having a CE mark, perhaps it's some obscure regulatory requirement and RS/Farnell are only really worried about it because they are going to very soon sell millions of them and don't want to expose themselves to some liability
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[1:08] <lee> who knows
[1:08] <mkopack> hehe, well, I see you guys saw the news
[1:09] <mkopack> yeah, lee, I'm thinking thats the situation. RS/Farnell are worried about liability
[1:09] <ReggieUK> lee, I Think farnell/rs are doing it because they just can't promise that these boards will only end up in developers hands
[1:09] <mkopack> yup, exactly
[1:09] <lee> exactly
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> so there will be an end user that fries a hdtv with one and will try and sue
[1:10] <mkopack> As we saw from the release, RS/Farnell were NOT prepared for what they got themselves into. They expected it to be a small number of boards, just some dev folks...
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[1:10] <mkopack> When they saw the numbers getting ordered, they realized this was going to be mass market and freaked.
[1:10] <ReggieUK> someone in marketing didn't their homework then :D
[1:10] <mkopack> What *I*'D like to know is, WTF is the other 8000 boards???
[1:10] <lee> being resoldered?
[1:11] <mkopack> And how much extra time am I going to have to wait for them to get the FCC approval too now?
[1:11] <mkopack> lee: that's the question??? What we were told 3 weeks ago was that they were "largely already done" being fixed...
[1:11] <lee> at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, they'll get here when they get here
[1:12] <mkopack> Yeah, like I said, just wondering what happened with them...
[1:12] <ReggieUK> something makes me think that there has been a lot more b/s from the chinese fab plant than we've been told about
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[1:13] <ReggieUK> this line in the blog article got me thinking:
[1:13] <ReggieUK> Finally, here, as promised, are some pictures from the factory (taken by one of the observers RS sent in
[1:13] <ReggieUK> I thought farnell/rs were fabbing the boards themselves?
[1:14] <mkopack> Quick answers: (From Even)
[1:14] <mkopack> It???s basically an oversight. The two companies??? compliance people weren???t involved at the point where contracts were signed.
[1:14] <mkopack> We???re doing FCC at the same time as CE; the requirements are basically congruent.
[1:14] <mkopack> The other 8,000 are trailing the first 2,000 by a week or two.
[1:14] <lee> for my purposes, until there's an accelerated X driver, it's not of massive to me anyway (for my primary purpose, anyhow... completely ignoring secondary/tertiary/quaternary/...duodenary purposes...)
[1:14] <lee> +use
[1:15] <mkopack> Reggie: No, not initially??? The expectation is that they'll eventually do the tabbing, but I believe for right now, they're just paying to get the additionally ordered boards tabbed at the same plant
[1:15] <mkopack> tabbing=fabbing
[1:16] <mkopack> Eben did say that they were getting 95% yield rates, and the rework for the ethernet bumped that up to 97%.
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[1:16] <mkopack> It also looks like they're doing more stringent testing now at the factory (so crap like the ethernet port fiasco can't happen again)
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[1:19] <piless> hmm
[1:19] <ReggieUK> Ahh, ok, that's fair enough then :)
[1:19] <ReggieUK> as long as they've restablished trust :D
[1:20] <piless> I still think the foundation is incompetent.
[1:22] <mkopack> Well, I'd say "inexperienced" and "too trusting" of their partners
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> Inexperienced.
[1:23] <mkopack> To me the big thing is they need to start getting boards into peoples hands???
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> Bringing up a new product is hard
[1:23] <piless> if they were competent they would have come to an agreement on compliance testing *before* they entered into business with farnell & rs
[1:23] <mkopack> Even if it's not MY hands, seeing boards being delivered to at least SOME people will quiet some of the grumbling, and get people discussing RPi related stuff instead of sales related stuff again
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[1:24] <mkopack> right??? but as eben responded to my question about that - it was an oversight. When the contracts were done, the compliance people at RS/Farn weren't involved and didn't say anything until after the fact
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[1:25] <ReggieUK> so that's farnell and rs's oversight?
[1:25] <mkopack> sounds like it
[1:25] <piless> strange that a company as big as these two didn't include it in the contract
[1:25] <mkopack> RS+Farnell's reps signed the contracts...
[1:26] <mkopack> however, as we said earlier, I'm betting their reps were under the impression as the foundation was, that this was a "development board" and thus didn't need it
[1:26] <ReggieUK> and round in circles back to the fact that farnell/rs underestimated the repsonse the pi would get
[1:26] <piless> so who decided it wasn't a development board?
[1:26] <ReggieUK> tbh I think everyone did
[1:26] <mkopack> when the compliance people saw the sales numbers and saw that it wasn't CE certified the y probably shit a brick
[1:26] <ReggieUK> I suspect it was decided by looking at the types of people trying to order
[1:26] <mkopack> piless :sounds like that was Rs/Farn
[1:26] <ReggieUK> like, ermm, not businesses
[1:27] <mkopack> right
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[1:27] <piless> what are the sales figures of the panda?
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[1:27] <ReggieUK> residental addresses and made up company names
[1:27] <ReggieUK> that kind of thing
[1:27] <mkopack> Last I saw was an announcement in the message board about "8900 units sold so far" but I don't know how old that was.
[1:28] <piless> did they force you to make up a business when ordering with farnell? I ordered through uk.farnell and I don't remember having to pretend to be a business.
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[1:28] <piless> mkopack: and the panda doesn't have ce right? Or was that the beagleboard?
[1:29] <mkopack> ok, so that 8900 number was from back in Nov when they announced the PandaES
[1:29] <mkopack> I'd have to check on the CE for Panda when I get home and can look at my board. Having dinner right now
[1:29] <mkopack> Eben claimed that the beagle doesn't have it
[1:30] <mkopack> I would be surprised if the Panda had it if the beagle didn't
[1:30] <mkopack> given that they're VERY similar boards
[1:30] <piless> mkopack: I think ce is a european thing, You'll have fcc I think.
[1:30] <ReggieUK> piless, afaik to put an order into RS you had to have an account
[1:30] <mkopack> piless: right, but they are largely identical in requirements
[1:30] <mkopack> And you'll need both to sell in both regions
[1:31] <mkopack> yeah, IIRC RS required a business name
[1:31] <piless> fcc is more particular right? But passing fcc passes ce aswell
[1:31] <piless> piless industries inc.
[1:31] <mkopack> Eh, I thought they were basically the same
[1:32] <mkopack> Or pretty close at least
[1:32] <mkopack> But whatever
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[1:32] <mkopack> Wow, just realized that I was talking to the Pandaboard rep in the panda board room earlier when I was talking about the documentation being lacking!
[1:33] <ReggieUK> mkopack, good job, they obviously need the feedback :)
[1:33] <mkopack> I will say that board VERY MUCH is meant for "developers" and when they say developers, they mean people developing SYSTEMS using TI OMAP processors, NOT "you want to use it as a desktop and maybe write a little code on it"
[1:34] <mkopack> He was very receptive to what I had to say.
[1:34] <ReggieUK> so entirely not a pi replacement then?
[1:34] <mkopack> Not really the target market??? no???
[1:34] <mkopack> The expected level of expertise with Linux is quite a bit higher...
[1:35] <mkopack> but he was very receptive when I said that for somebody who wants to USE the board to do other things (like in my case ROS) the documentation was confusing or just lacking.
[1:35] <piless> Is there a wiki?
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[1:36] <mkopack> you guys remember me ranting about getting the SD card imaged for the RPi based on the wiki instructions? The ones for the panda are WAY worse...
[1:36] <ReggieUK> can't be that difficult to do :D
[1:36] <piless> well if you do get it working then maybe you should alter the wiki!
[1:37] <mkopack> Mostly because they don't explain terms (which it turns out were the names of the driver package), they point to Ubuntu's pages for installation, which are a combination of Panda+Beagle instructions, and those instructions mix version numbers all over the place
[1:37] <piless> so others can benefit
[1:37] <mkopack> Yeah, we already discussed that, and I will
[1:38] <piless> it'd be cool if the rpi was packaged with a read-only sd card with the default stuff, so everyone would automatically have a backup they can't ruin
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[1:40] <mkopack> YEah??? OR - "Here's the read only card." Make a copy of it and run off the copy, put the master in a safe spot??? think of it as your "install/recovery CD"
[1:41] <piless> it'd work better if the rpi could boot off multiple stuff
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[1:42] <BrovietRussia> hmmmm
[1:42] <BrovietRussia> I wonder
[1:42] <mkopack> Yes BrovietRussia ???
[1:42] <BrovietRussia> Just a silly thought
[1:42] <BrovietRussia> I don't really even think it's possible
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> Isn't the Pi's SD microSD?
[1:43] <BrovietRussia> No
[1:43] <piless> SpeedEvil: Ever seen a photo of the beta board.. that slot is massive.. no way it's microsd
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[1:44] <piless> sd's are the perfect size imho, and pretty hard to break aswell
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[1:44] <piless> microsd is just way too fiddly
[1:44] <piless> BrovietRussia: WHAT
[1:44] <Flea86> piless: not to mention easy to lose ;-)
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[1:45] <mkopack> Micro is a PITA to put in/take out??? SD is nice and larger capacities at reasonable prices too
[1:45] <piless> BrovietRussia: TELL US YOUR SILLY THOUGHT!
[1:45] <mkopack> SD gets REALLY expensive in the larger sizes
[1:45] <piless> sd is cheaper than microsd
[1:46] <mkopack> sorry, that's what I meant, micro gets expensive fast in the big sizes
[1:46] <piless> microsd isn't really that hard to take out.. either use a thumbnail or the spring
[1:46] <BrovietRussia> It's a thought I got after reading piless's comment about having the rpi boot from multiple formats
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> Micro isn't much more than SD though
[1:47] <ReggieUK> I always wondered how they construct microSD cards
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Wackily.
[1:47] <piless> ReggieUK: pixies in china
[1:47] <ReggieUK> sd cards are pretty much a nand chip and controller
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: They use die-thinned chips, and stack 9 chips on top of each other
[1:48] <ReggieUK> how about the case?
[1:48] <BrovietRussia> I would be curious to see if my laptop would be able to recognize a mass storage device plugged into the rpi while having my rpi plugged into my laptop or vice versa
[1:48] <piless> plastic
[1:48] <ReggieUK> durp of course :)
[1:49] <piless> BrovietRussia: the rpi is a usb host, not a slave
[1:49] <ReggieUK> but looking at the back of a card here, it's an incredibly thin layer of plastic
[1:49] <ReggieUK> looks painted on it's so thin
[1:50] <piless> have you checked whether it's paint?
[1:50] <piless> why don't you get transparent microsds?
[1:50] <BrovietRussia> I know piless I had kept in mind that the micro usb port on the rpi is only used for power
[1:50] <ReggieUK> I'm not really prepared to pick at it to find out, considering that I can see the circuit through the plastic
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[1:51] <BrovietRussia> Anyway that was my silly thought
[1:51] <piless> but why the fuck couldn't they have made it so it can boot off usb :(
[1:52] <BrovietRussia> It would be possible to do so considering it does have two usb 2.0 ports
[1:53] <piless> It's only the one usb controller though right?
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[2:10] <SpeedEvil> Why do you care if it can't boot of USB?
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> you put a card in, and you're done
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> USB bootloader
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: - it's just one overmoulded stack of chips really - microSD
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[2:15] <ReggieUK> thanks SpeedEvil :) more answers as usual :)
[2:15] <ReggieUK> There'd be no fun in it if they gave everyone everything they wanted on the pi
[2:16] <ReggieUK> so i don't mind being restricted to sd
[2:16] <ReggieUK> it'll be fun attempting to make it do other things
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[2:52] <ukscone> i need a raspi. i want pi!!!
[2:53] <ukscone> stuck waiting for a human with a real raspi to appear online as i've donee as much as i can in sb2 and the remote conneection an alphaboard
[2:55] <JonSeals> Hey guys, just a heads up, if some turd named "mouuw" or something like that comes here, ban him. He just tried to take over 2 rooms I'm in and somehow got ops.
[2:57] <philh> which channels?
[2:59] <JonSeals> #jailbreakqa and #gelbrackqa
[2:59] <JonSeals> gelbrackqa is a joke channel but jailbreakqa is a legit one.
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[3:03] <JonSeals> Someone just showed me this when I asked how he got in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=krk5736g
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[3:23] <shirro> And I thought the RPi would be slow: http://hackaday.com/2012/03/28/building-the-worst-linux-pc-ever/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29
[3:24] <shirro> But does it run Windows 8?
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[3:25] <shirro> It looks like something Flea86 would build
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[3:28] <des2> "[Dmitry] tells us it takes two hours to boot up to a bash prompt"
[3:28] <des2> See Windows 7 does boot faster than Linux...
[3:29] <mkopack> hahaha
[3:29] <Tachyon`> two horus?
[3:30] <Tachyon`> I've run linux on a 386sx
[3:30] <Tachyon`> and while it wasn't fast it took only a few minutes to boot to the console
[3:30] <mkopack> I've been asked to try to "tune up" my uncle's Windows machine before and it seriously took 2 hours to boot up because of all the GD spyware, viruses, 900 animated icons and icons all over the desktop that were on it.
[3:30] <Flea86> shirro: Nice link! Indeed I would, however I would have to question the utility of a ~1MHz emulated ARM CPU on flea86 hardware ;-)
[3:31] <des2> I think a 386 is a Bit faster than an ATMega
[3:31] <mkopack> after several hours of dicking with it I gave it back and told him: Either reinstall or buy a new machine. I'm not dealing with this anymore
[3:31] <Flea86> shirro: It would struggle with RiscOS, let alone linux
[3:31] <Tachyon`> aye, atmega, just read it
[3:31] <Tachyon`> it's pretty cool that it worked at all
[3:31] <Tachyon`> the PC was a bit misleading...
[3:38] <Tachyon`> oh right
[3:40] <Tachyon`> it'd have booted faster if he'd not used a compressed kernel (why did he do that?! it added over an hour to the boot time...) and if he'd rebuilt it to remove the large parts that weren't needed, I noticed TCP/IP support flying past there among other things, is that really needed on such a device? with no network hardware? I realise lo gets some use but under the circumstances...
[3:43] <des2> I think you're taking that project much to seriously....
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> It can take longer to pull stuff out than to simply leave it to boot
[3:43] <des2> It strikes me as a "because we can" project not a "because we should".
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> Consider that while it's booting, you can do other stuff
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> But while you're configuring the kernel, and screwing around, you can't.
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[3:47] <Flea86> des2: Looked like a fun project to do, I think :D
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[3:50] <des2> Yeah it's right up your alley.
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[3:55] <mkopack> "From Eben: Quick summary: no current concerns around component sourcing (as you???d expect given who our distributors are). I???ve seen very large orders go in for all the potentially troublesome components (particularly the ASICs and connectors). I don???t think there???s going to be a backlog for very long :)"
[3:56] <des2> Have the first batch shipped yet ?
[3:56] <des2> And
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[3:57] <des2> If they are placing huge orders does the RPi has passed compliance testing ?
[3:57] <des2> ^that mean the
[3:57] <mkopack> 2000 insight in UK. other 8000 are 2-3 weeks behind
[3:57] <shirro> has there been any mention of regulatory compliance outside of FCC and CE? I would hate for board to be held up for AU/NZ due to them forgetting c-tick
[3:58] <mkopack> According to what Eben is saying in these responses, they passed class A, and only just barely missed B, and they think they know why (they misconfigured something in the HDMI settings???) that was causing it to blast out RF for no reason. They're going to retest in a day or two and see if they can get it to pass.
[3:58] <mkopack> then they just need to add the CE stickers to the units and get them moving out
[3:59] <mkopack> And yes, they're doing the FCC certification at the same time.
[3:59] <shirro> mkopack: so that is EU and USA covered...are they going to bother with the rest of us?
[3:59] <mkopack> No mention of C-tick??? I would assume the stadnards are probably pretty similar for C-toick as the other 2, s
[4:01] <mkopack> Imagine the headaches EVEYR electronics manufacturer would have to deal with if C-tick was wildly different than FCC or CE? I'm betting they're all pretty similar in most respects
[4:06] <shirro> mkopack: it isn't hard. from memory you get a unique n number and keep a compliance folder with your tests and a declaration in it and put a logo and your number on the device. i only had a brief experience with it a decade ago. Basically it is so if someone complains and they come looking they can find the required info.
[4:07] <mkopack> Right, it's self certification??? And you just have to have the documentation ready to hand over to prove you did the proper tests if challenged
[4:08] <shirro> mkopack: exactly. you would just need to check the test results conform to what is required in AU/NZ which probably isn't much different. it might be more complicated if you make rf equipment or stuff to go on thonelines but I think most computer stuff is fairly easy
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[4:14] <mkopack> right, so HOPEFULLY this won't be much more of a delay
[4:17] <shirro> It does make sense to do it while we are waiting for boards. It would suck a little if they started shipping in europe and someone had been too slack to fill in some forms and get some stickers/silk screening done for other markets.
[4:20] <des2> Well it looks like progress is being made.
[4:20] <des2> Good to hear some actual updates on the RPi for a change.
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[4:25] <mkopack> yeah, exactly. I think that's been the thing that's pissed people off and caused a lot of the strife on the forums over the last month - just NO useful information. Problems we can deal with so long as we get updates on what's going on. If there's a problem tell us. If you don't know how long it's going to take to fix, SAY SO. Be upfront.
[4:25] <mkopack> they're usually good about that, but the vacation there screwed that up a lot
[4:25] <crshbndct> from eben: "Fortunately, there?s basically no chance the board won?t meet spec. It?s well designed, and we did a run in the test chamber a couple of days ago that only just missed despite the fact the HDMI was misconfigured (and therefore radiating like mad). "
[4:26] <mkopack> and the 2 distribs have been pretty F'ing useless with getting accurate and useful info out
[4:26] <mkopack> yup
[4:26] <crshbndct> i am just inquisitive as to how much of a big deal an HDMI port is which is "radiating like mad"
[4:26] <mkopack> they just need to rerun the tests now that they've determined why it failed
[4:27] <mkopack> if the rest of the board is pretty quiet and that's blasting out RF - a lot
[4:27] <crshbndct> misconfigured. as in "the design of the board is incorrect, and needs a complete reconfiguration" or misconfigured as in "needs a software tweak"
[4:28] <crshbndct> misconfigured hdmi sounds like a bigger issue than just rerunning a test.
[4:28] <ReggieUK> software tweak
[4:29] <crshbndct> and given that the primary use for the ones not being sold to educational institutions is for media players, having an hdmi port which is radiating and possibly messing up tv signals is a bit of a big deal
[4:29] <crshbndct> ok software tweak. so what would need to be changed? something in the proprietary blobs which run the GPU?
[4:30] <mkopack> misconfigured as software tweak??? set a setting wrong such that it maybe was trying to run at a way higher frequency than it should under normal use
[4:31] <mkopack> Maybe not even the blob??? the config.txt in the boot partition might have just had the HDMI setting wrong...
[4:31] <mkopack> fat fingered something or a typo??? it's possible
[4:31] <mkopack> he didn't' seem all that concerned that it wouldn't pass on the retest.
[4:31] <mkopack> They probably just didn't realize what caused it until after they had to give up the test chamber
[4:32] <crshbndct> okay
[4:32] <mkopack> They obviously must have been getting the test chamber time donated or rented out to them
[4:32] <mkopack> So, based on what Eben said, My GUT feel is that boards will start shipping in a week or so....
[4:33] <mkopack> they have 2000 on hand, and the other 8000 from the first batch arriving 2-3 weeks from now
[4:34] <crshbndct> i hope so. they have my money, i want my pi
[4:34] <mkopack> They Don't have your money.
[4:34] <mkopack> Your card hasn't actually been charged yet.
[4:35] <mkopack> An Authorization check has been performed on it, that's all. No funds transferred. They won't be transferred until the board ships out to you.
[4:35] <crshbndct> yes it has actually
[4:35] <crshbndct> paypal has my money.
[4:35] <ReggieUK> ....
[4:36] <ReggieUK> did you put in an order today with RS or something?
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[4:37] <crshbndct> no i ordered it a while ago.
[4:38] <crshbndct> but they had paypal so i used that
[4:38] <mkopack> Well, I'd check your CC statement to be sure it was actually charged...
[4:38] <Mookman288> lol august
[4:38] <Mookman288> that's only a 3 month delay...
[4:38] <mkopack> Because typically money doesn't get xfer'ed until product is shipped
[4:39] <mkopack> Mook: That was a clerical error. That's not true
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[4:39] <mkopack> I freaked a bit earlier as well, but it's apparently just a screwup by Farnell/Newark
[4:39] <crshbndct> yeah the money did come out of my account.
[4:39] <Mookman288> It still says August 16th on my order status
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[4:40] <Mookman288> I h aven't really been following, just checked it today on a whim.
[4:40] <mkopack> yeah, because they haven't fixed it back yet...
[4:40] <mkopack> it just changed today
[4:40] <Mookman288> Then there's no way I could have known!
[4:40] <crshbndct> i emailed paypal and asked to have the payment reversed though.
[4:40] <mkopack> Liz said it's a screwup and she's looking into it with Farnell
[4:40] <crshbndct> someone else can have my one.
[4:41] <mkopack> Mook: that's why you come here and ASK before freaking out :D
[4:41] <Mookman288> I didn't freak out
[4:41] <Mookman288> There's a thread about it with zero replies.
[4:42] <Mookman288> on reddit. Someone should probably reply =p
[4:42] <mkopack> yeah, on twitter too.
[4:42] <mkopack> Liz only just responsed about 4 hours ago
[4:42] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[4:43] <mkopack> later ReggieUK
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[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Have I missed much?
[5:28] <shirro> no
[5:29] <shirro> read the front page today?
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like farnell and rs are being douche nozzles.
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> AND farnell has stopped it's free shipping on orders under $40, so I have no reason to like them at all now.
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[5:35] <mkopack> At least from the comments that Eben responded to, it sounds like it might not be much longer.
[5:36] <mkopack> They just need to rerun some of the tests after discovering a bug in the configuration they used that was causing the HDMI port to blast out RF for no reason. That should allow them to pass the Class B cert requirements and then it's just ":attach the CE/FCC cert stickers" and start shipping
[5:37] <mkopack> They have 2000 on hand, and the other 8000 from the first batch should arrive to them in the next 2 weeks
[5:38] <mkopack> He also said that he's already seen the purchase orders for large quantities of all the critical parts so those are already in the pipe and he seemed to feel that the backlog would get addressed a lot faster than we expect it to
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[5:42] <nelson> yay!
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[6:17] <ome> I have an idea - probably not the only either - wouldn't it be nice if there was a version with no actual port plugs and all outputs in port headers ? it would make it much smaller and cheaper.
[6:18] <ome> like a raspberrypi-compact, no physical port plugs, but rather all pin headers.
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[6:19] <ome> Oh wait, this is unofficial channel, so not much of help. but was wondering what others think ?
[6:20] <shirro> headers on each side to make it easy to stack shields as well. and perhaps merge the gertboard with it.
[6:21] <shirro> I can't see them going to that much trouble any time soon.
[6:22] <ome> but definitly something to look for.
[6:22] <shirro> You can always desolder the connectors
[6:22] <ome> I mean, something they should consider, soon or later.
[6:22] <ome> shirro: true, but if it was all pins on the design it would make the board smaller as well.
[6:24] <shirro> lots of variants would be nice - faster cpu+more ram for software devs. better io for hardware hackers. but it is a good compromise design for now. there are lots of little boards if you need something to embed.
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[6:26] <ome> Agree, it defenitlly is a good mash up, specially when you consider the price. but if it can be made even better why not.
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[6:33] <shirro> not sure how taking the ports off and replacing with headers is going to further their aims of a cheap education computer. It isn't a bad idea at all but they need to get these ones out in volume first. There are a lot of very small and cheap embedded boards like the arduinos, ti launchpad, stm discovery etc
[6:33] <SpeedEvil> I actually want the chips only.
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> So I can try to make my own Pi-like
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> In very different footprints.
[6:34] <ome> it woulnd't be a 'computer' anymore, but no other board with this profermance is that cheap.
[6:34] <ome> SpeedEvil: the only - as far as i know - downside of R-Pi is that it's really hard to make your own board, unless you have some serious PCB skills/tools.
[6:34] <duckinator> ome: it would, just not a general purpose computer (i'm guessing that's why you used the 'sarcasm(?) quotes')
[6:35] <SpeedEvil> ome: you would absolutely require a 4, or more probably 6 layer PCB, which is a major downside.
[6:35] <SpeedEvil> Making a PCB at home is almost an impossibility
[6:35] <ome> duckinator: not really, it wasn't meant to be sarcasm, I was trying to inteded the computer as defiend by R-Pi guys.
[6:36] <ome> s/inteded/implay
[6:36] <duckinator> SpeedEvil: iirc it uses BGA (well -- i THINK that's the name) for the CPU which is supposed to be painful to hand-solder :P
[6:37] <ome> but yeah not a general purpose computer that is idea of R-Pi
[6:37] <shirro> SpeedEvil: buy the $25 boards and blow the chips off with hot air. You couldn't buy them cheaper in that quantity anyway.
[6:37] <ome> ^^ that. but good luck with soldering them.
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Then solder your own pi
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> and sell it for half the price... there's a business idea
[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll be rich
[6:38] <ome> if you could multiply your account by -1.
[6:38] <ome> :P
[6:38] <shirro> there are plenty of youtube videos on reballing bga. doesn't look impossible. i don't think i could be bothered
[6:39] <duckinator> ShiftPlusOne: i'm trying to decide if that was a horrible joke, or if my brain and wallet should both be hemorrhaging about now from the very thought :)
[6:39] <ome> duckinator: sell it for half the price. now you gustta.
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> keep trying
[6:40] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, videos often make things look easier than they actually are.
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[6:41] <ome> and also, I would love a headless R-Pi. it should be tinny winny and heaps chipper.
[6:41] <ome> well at least a few bucks.
[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> If they tried to produce every variation people would love, they'd have 500 different models
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[6:43] <duckinator> ShiftPlusOne: i think, if the pricing would be sane, headless and a full-blown SBC would basically answer all the things people ask for aside from kits :P
[6:43] <ome> ShiftPlusOne: I know that is though.
[6:44] <ome> duckinator: exactly.
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[6:45] <duckinator> between the RPi coming out and finding http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit .. this year's going to be fun ^^
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[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[6:46] <ome> I can't decide if that is rad or insane.
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> wow "It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt"
[6:47] <ome> and 4hours to load ubuntu.
[6:47] <ome> but seriously why ubuntu ? they should have used something more light, like Arch.
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[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> heh "the system is somewhat usable. You can type a command and get a reply within a minute. "
[6:47] <ome> or theat Micro thingy.
[6:47] <ome> ShiftPlusOne: welcome to 70s.
[6:47] <ome> s/theat/that
[6:48] <ome> tinycore linux takes around 50 times faster to boot and login my computer then ubuntu.
[6:48] <ome> that should help the guy alot.
[6:49] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus... and the whole thing is emulated too.
[6:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... interesting and good on him for doing that.
[6:51] <ome> I wonder he was debuging that thing ? probably with an over-clocked visutaliztion of the circuit.
[6:51] <ome> virtualization*
[6:51] <ome> wonder who*
[6:51] * ome needs to learn typing.
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[6:58] <ome> Just left him a comment, because I am cool.
[6:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Well done being cool.
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[7:10] <ome> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks.
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[7:11] <ome> !ops DeviceZer0 flooding.
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[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> meh.... stopped now
[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ...but to be safe...
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[8:52] <huene> !w
[8:52] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 7??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 76%, Later 18??C - 6??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[9:28] <Da|Mummy> rpi charger for $1.05 if anyones interested in US, http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Replacement-Charging-SPH-M330-SCH-R100/dp/B001XXUOQI?tag=dealswoot-20
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[9:28] <Da|Mummy> well, not charger....power supply
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[9:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> we know what you mean
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[9:34] <SpeedEvil> Umm - that's a cable.
[9:35] <techman2> !w
[9:35] * SpeedEvil needs to finish off/start his PSU review.
[9:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:36] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 9??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 82%, Later 12??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[9:36] <SpeedEvil> Ig to a dozen cheap PSUs from ebay
[9:36] <SpeedEvil> !w
[9:36] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 285K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 58%, Later 290K - 280K. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[9:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[9:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> K ha!
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[10:21] <jonand> SpeedEvil: a fun thing to try with cheap plug-in type wall wart PSUs is to put your cell phone or other radio transmitter close to the PSU
[10:22] <jonand> When I've tried that I've seen control loops gone wild, a 5V PSU outputting 20+ volts...
[10:22] <jonand> don't try it while connected to something expensive though
[10:22] <jonand> a light bulb or just a power resistor is what you want to have as a load
[10:23] <jonand> testing with no load is not really interesting at all
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[11:10] <SpeedEvil> jonand: Interesting idea.
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> jonand: I was planning on putting them a day unloaded, then a day at nominal load, then a day plugging in/out every 5 min.
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> jonand: And then short circuit testing.
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[11:21] <techman2> hrm
[11:21] <techman2> photos of pis.
[11:21] <techman2> they do exist :)
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[11:24] <Da|Mummy> it really is crazy what they can do with special effects these days
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[11:29] <Ticho> unless there is a real unboxing video on youtube, the rpi does not officially exist :>
[11:29] <jonand> SpeedEvil: test step response and noise ripple. test how much it varies over temperature. measure component temperatures at nominal load, especially caps
[11:30] <jonand> SpeedEvil: and don't electrify yourself! :)
[11:30] <Hourd> Ticho: http://youtu.be/Ds8bEdkJEi8
[11:30] <Hourd> PiBot: http://youtu.be/Ds8bEdkJEi8
[11:30] <Hourd> awwww i want it to print the title
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[11:31] <SpeedEvil> jonand: That too.
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[11:44] <Ticho> Hourd: yeah, i've seen those :>
[11:44] <Ticho> that's a tasty pie
[11:44] <Hourd> they still tickle me a bit
[11:44] <Ticho> there is also one where the guy takes out an old AT mainboard out of a box
[11:45] <Hourd> :P
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[12:39] <rm> http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[12:39] <rm> "the cheapest, slowest, simplest to hand assemble, lowest part count, and lowest-end Linux PC." :P
[12:43] <drazyl> that is insane
[12:43] <RaYmAn> but awesome
[12:43] <RaYmAn> lol
[12:43] <drazyl> oh yes, much respect
[12:44] <Ticho> wow, lots of coolness indeed
[12:44] <Ticho> this had me chuckling: It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line).
[12:44] <RaYmAn> lol, a 32bit arm emulator running on 8bit
[12:44] <RaYmAn> that's just cool
[12:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> and we've killed it
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[12:54] <Tachyon`> it'd take lessthan an hour to boot if the kernel wasn't compressed
[12:54] <Tachyon`> less still had someone rebuilt the kernel to remove the parts that weren't needed but aye, still, impressive
[12:54] <Tachyon`> someone should get BBC Basic 5 booting on it
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[13:30] <mkopack> Morning gang!
[13:30] <drazyl> morning
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[13:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o)
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[13:51] <piless> is it out yet?
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[14:05] <deafanon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17547764
[14:05] <deafanon> "Testing row delays delivery of Raspberry Pi machines"
[14:05] <IT_Sean> Sweeeeeeeet! Ny new laptop should arrive on Monday. :D
[14:05] <ReggieUK> the bbc needs to F*ck off
[14:05] <ReggieUK> they're so full of s#it it's untrue
[14:06] <ReggieUK> 'testing row'
[14:06] <ReggieUK> really? What row?
[14:07] <Dagger2> ReggieUK: look at the picture
[14:07] <Dagger2> they're all lined up in rows
[14:07] <Dagger2> going through and testing them is obviously going to take time
[14:07] <ReggieUK> balls
[14:08] <IT_Sean> Do they really have to test EVERY SINGLE ONE!???? Can't they test a representative sample of say... 50? or 100?
[14:08] <ReggieUK> they're either being deliberately ambiguous, or they actually mean that rs/farnell are having an arguement with rpf
[14:08] <ReggieUK> which they're not
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[14:09] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology/
[14:09] <ReggieUK> twats can't even make up their mind which headline to go for
[14:10] <ReggieUK> 'Delays dog Raspberry Pi project' on their main tech page
[14:10] <ReggieUK> I've noticed they've been doing a lot of this kind of thing recently
[14:10] <deafanon> "Punters access the firm's website to check on the status of their orders were told shipments had been pushed back to August."
[14:10] <deafanon> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/03/29/raspberry_pi_supplier_apologises_for_ship_date_delay_glitch/
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> Morning
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[14:21] <ReggieUK> http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/29/raspberry-pi-ce-certification-mark-linux/
[14:21] <piless> engadget is just blogspam nowadays
[14:21] <piless> all the decent editors left and started theverge
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[14:23] <ReggieUK> I don't mind, at least engadget allows me to filter all teh apple crap they post
[14:24] <piless> they're still heavily apple biased
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[14:24] <ReggieUK> http://www.engadget.com/exclude/apple/
[14:24] <ReggieUK> not using that they're not
[14:24] <piless> yeah but even if there's an android review they'll do based from an apple fanboy perspective
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[14:26] <ReggieUK> they used to be kind of ok
[14:27] <ReggieUK> but now they steal articles from hackaday :D
[14:28] <datagutt> Raspberrypibot has been running for 1 Month, 3 Days, 1 Hour, 47 Minutes, 21 Seconds
[14:28] <datagutt> w00t
[14:28] <piless> I wouldn't call it stealing, that's just how the system works.. they just re-write articles and post a link to the source blog at the bottom.. so you end up getting this chain of linking from blog to blog until you reach the original source after a dozen pieces of blogspam
[14:28] <datagutt> surprisingly stable..
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[14:30] <IT_Sean> datagutt: lemme know when it gets to a year, mkay. :p
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[14:31] <datagutt> lol
[14:31] <datagutt> Its java and the bot doesnt rejoin the channel when server gets disconnected
[14:31] <datagutt> I made a PHP bot though (lol???.)
[14:31] <piless> are you talking about pibot?
[14:31] <datagutt> which has the same problem so
[14:32] <datagutt> ill write a node.js bot shortly
[14:32] <datagutt> :)
[14:32] <datagutt> piless: No, the original bot, which only logs the channels
[14:32] <datagutt> Raspberrypibot
[14:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> run it on a Rpi ...
[14:32] <datagutt> the one that logs to srv.datagutt1.com
[14:32] <datagutt> :)
[14:32] <piless> datagutt: can you make piless a different colour in the log, because I'm special.
[14:33] <piless> magenta please
[14:33] <datagutt> haha
[14:33] <datagutt> ill have to hax the sauce
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[14:33] <datagutt> and restart the bot
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[14:33] <datagutt> and break the uptime :)
[14:34] <piless> do it
[14:34] <datagutt> maybe when i switch to a node.js bot with function for special colours
[14:34] <datagutt> Buy me a pi to host the bot on, and ill do it?
[14:34] <datagutt> :p
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Or you can buy me a Pi, and i'll make him do it.
[14:34] <piless> is a 100mbit ethernet port fast enough for an irc bot?
[14:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> yea
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[14:35] <IT_Sean> More than enough.
[14:35] <piless> are there any prepackaged linux distros with a torrent box in mind? Or do you just take the server and add rtorrent or w/e
[14:36] <drazyl> piless - 100mb is enough to run a reasonable data centre
[14:37] <piless> drazyl: bit/s not byte/s though right?
[14:38] <mjr> yes, bits
[14:38] <drazyl> yup, wire speed is always bits
[14:39] <IT_Sean> piless: bytes are too big to go through the cable. They get stuck & cause a blockage. Then nothing can get thru.
[14:39] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:39] <drazyl> it's true! I've seen it happen
[14:39] <piless> oh
[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> drazyl: but 100mb = 100 millibits
[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> which is damn small
[14:39] <drazyl> you get a bulge in the cable
[14:40] <piless> can you can an adaptor?
[14:40] <IT_Sean> The only fix is to buy a new cable.
[14:40] <IT_Sean> And if it happens in a cable that's buried in a wall, you are screwed.
[14:40] <ReggieUK> there's a fix for that
[14:40] <ReggieUK> stamp on the bulge
[14:40] <ReggieUK> that shifts it
[14:40] <drazyl> you can sometimes squash them with a hammer and get it all flowing, but you need to make sure the following traffic is bits before that is worth doing
[14:41] <IT_Sean> In my experiance, once you get a blockage in the cable, it's time for a replacement cable.
[14:41] <tntexplosivesltd> you can unblock them
[14:41] <IT_Sean> You never /completly/ clear the blockage
[14:41] <tntexplosivesltd> but you have to go to a cable reconditioner
[14:41] <IT_Sean> so, it just leads to a greater likelyhood of future blockages.
[14:41] <tntexplosivesltd> and that costs a mint
[14:41] <ReggieUK> murray mint or polo?
[14:41] <piless> I have some spare mints though
[14:42] <IT_Sean> The really sad thing is, i have customers that would believe this.
[14:42] <drazyl> one way, if you've got access to one, is to run the cable through an old-style mangle a few times
[14:42] <piless> imperials
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> they often just end up replacing it and charging you labour any way
[14:42] <drazyl> nah, imperial mints won't work, cat-5 standards are in metrics
[14:42] <piless> humbugs?
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> those will do
[14:42] <drazyl> only useful for marketing, not technical
[14:43] <IT_Sean> What do they claim is the maximum single cable length without a repeater for Cat5?
[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> 91m?
[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> something like that?
[14:43] <IT_Sean> I thought it was less than that.
[14:43] * IT_Sean shrugs
[14:43] <drazyl> depends on the size of the cat
[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> or maybe that's 1Gb/s on a 5e
[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, my memory fails me
[14:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> 100m IIRC
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[14:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> ah 90+10
[14:46] <drazyl> 100m between devices, but doesn't each connector reduce it, or am I (mis?)remembering something else
[14:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
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[14:47] <IT_Sean> That sounds about right
[14:47] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: no i remember why i didn't play elite much other than the fact i didn't have a beeb except at school and college -- I SUCK!!!! at it
[14:47] <IT_Sean> that's about 300 ft, innit?
[14:48] <drazyl> yeah, a bit more
[14:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> yea
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: couldn't tell you, don't use the old money
[14:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[14:48] <drazyl> roughly 10% more
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[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, an onteresting nick
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[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> * interesting
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> can't really say it, can you
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> ^[o_o]^: how do you say your name?
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[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> inb4 "as it's written"
[14:49] <drazyl> caratsquarebracketohunderscoreohclosesquarebracketcarat
[14:49] <drazyl> it's quite a mouthful
[14:50] <ReggieUK> ^[o_o]^
[14:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, haven't installed the speech unit yet I see
[14:51] <^[o_o]^> tntexplosivesltd, ReggieUK: o_O
[14:51] <ReggieUK> not much point finding out, it doesn't respond
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> ^[o_o]^: how do you say your name?
[14:51] <ReggieUK> oh hai
[14:51] <drazyl> i can haz pi?
[14:51] <ukscone> drazyl: not unless your spelling and grammer improve you can't :)
[14:52] <^[o_o]^> just call me "smile"
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> man, the r-pi ends up being $65NZ over here, plus shipping
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> onowait that's with shipping
[14:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^[o_o]^ tab completion FTW
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> but still
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> ukscone: * grammar
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> You need more too
[14:52] <drazyl> ukscone: u can haz capital letterz?
[14:52] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: do as i say not as i do
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ukscone: practice what you preach
[14:53] * ReggieUK waits for the +o hat to come out
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> I have no response to that
[14:53] <drazyl> that's not a hat!
[14:53] <IT_Sean> Sorry... my connection fuzzed. I missed it. what happened?
[14:53] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: i'm a lapsed agnotic druid with c of e and methodist tendencies I am not allowed to preach
[14:53] <ReggieUK> what the hell is agnotic?
[14:54] <ukscone> IT_Sean: we are (well i am) picking on drazyl
[14:54] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: we bashed the imperial system
[14:54] <IT_Sean> Oh. Have fun. Just keep it clean
[14:54] * IT_Sean is too busy to give a toss
[14:54] <drazyl> agnotic,it means he doesn't believe in the letter s
[14:54] <ukscone> ReggieUK: a broken keyboard swallowing the s
[14:54] <ReggieUK> aah
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> drazyl: all organised religion (containing the letter s) is pointless
[14:55] <ReggieUK> quick poll: how many readable alpha keys do you have on your keyboard?
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> gah, there goes satanism
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> darn
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> looks like it's all gone
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> seriously, whoch religion has no s in it
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * which
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[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> you find me one, I will tell you that you did a good job
[14:56] <drazyl> cider!
[14:56] <ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: sikism
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> ...
[14:56] <drazyl> ReggieUK I have tried, but none of them will read to me
[14:57] <ReggieUK> bah
[14:57] <ukscone> sorry sikhism
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ukscone: that has 2?
[14:57] <chronofast> How much is the CE compliance going to add to the end cost of the board?
[14:57] <ReggieUK> nothing
[14:57] <drazyl> ??1000 each
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> $500
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ninja;d
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> with an apostrophe instead
[14:57] <drazyl> '''''''''''
[14:58] <drazyl> there's some spares
[14:58] <chronofast> does it mean additional work? If so who is going to pay for it if not the end purchaser?
[14:58] <drazyl> yes, the distributors
[15:00] <tntexplosivesltd> and they'll love you for it
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[15:01] <IT_Sean> ??69.99 each
[15:03] <chronofast> I'd pay $60+ if it meant that the $35 price point remained for schools or less if they could swing it.
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> idealist
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[15:04] <drazyl> don't you come round here being all reasonable and honest
[15:06] <chronofast> So was the $35 set because of the initial 10k batch, or was that an individual board cost regardless of quantity ordered?
[15:07] <drazyl> it was set as the price they were pretty sure it could be done for
[15:08] <aditsu> tntexplosivesltd: no s? wicca
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[15:08] <Matt> morning!
[15:09] <drazyl> I don;t think it is anymore
[15:09] <ukscone> ok bored now
[15:10] <IT_Sean> Do not start the time zone thing again drazyl.
[15:10] <IT_Sean> please.
[15:10] <ukscone> built & tested (as far as i'm able) all the s/w i want for the raspi so got nothing left to do
[15:10] <drazyl> ukscone write something new and exciting?
[15:11] <ukscone> drazyl: waiting on some hardware to arrive for my next project so can't be bother to do any coding atm
[15:11] <drazyl> now you're just being difficult :)
[15:11] <ukscone> or any thinking for that matter
[15:12] <ukscone> drazyl: i'm good at being difficult and awkward -- maybe i'll spend the day being annoying
[15:12] <drazyl> there you go, problem solved
[15:13] <ukscone> my back hurts so i can do a really good impression of grumpy
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[15:25] <IT_Sean> wha'd you do to it>
[15:25] <IT_Sean> *?
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[15:27] <Matt> my arms seem to be recovering
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[15:27] <Matt> I was expecting them to be rather sore this morning
[15:27] <IT_Sean> They didn't fall off again, did they?
[15:28] * Matt went climbing again last night
[15:28] <IT_Sean> Ooooh
[15:28] <IT_Sean> It's a good job your arms didn't fall off, then.
[15:28] <Matt> quite :)
[15:32] <piless> is it out yet?
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[15:34] <IT_Sean> No.
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[15:38] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/raspberry-pi-compared-to/#p20311
[15:38] <zgreg> that's funny
[15:38] <drazyl> a summers day?
[15:38] <zgreg> but he might be serious...
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[15:54] <ukscone> https://twitter.com/#!/ukscone/status/185363816194899968/photo/1
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[16:07] <Matt> I like finding things out that make my life easier :)
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[16:19] <piless> hmm andy is on the rpi frontpage
[16:20] <Matt> oh hey! they ported fuse :D
[16:21] <piless> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6827874250_d0565c3d72_o.jpg
[16:21] <mkopack> HE ported it (Andy)
[16:21] <Matt> quite :)
[16:21] <piless> the music on the video is terrible though
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[16:27] <Matt> I was just thinking that
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[16:27] <Matt> it's a shame he's not got sound working
[16:28] <piless> no sound on rpi at all or just the emulator?
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[16:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> emulator i think
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[16:32] <Matt> well there's a nice little hack for someone to do with a pi
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[16:32] <Matt> get an old speccy case and deal with all the fun of making a working keyboard :)
[16:33] <Matt> and mount the pi in it
[16:33] <drazyl> I have a speccy case, it has a speccy in it
[16:33] <Flea86> drazyl: Time for an upgrade ;-)
[16:34] <drazyl> no, it's my retirement plan!
[16:34] <Matt> I had a speccy
[16:34] <Matt> before I moved
[16:35] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/pict0088.jpg
[16:35] <Matt> it was in a bit of a sorry state :)
[16:35] <mkopack> Dear god. what did you DO to that thing?!?!?!
[16:35] <drazyl> I think that is called "well appreciated"
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[16:36] <mkopack> Man, I'm SO glad I had a C64 instead of some of those other machines...
[16:36] <mkopack> That keyboard just looks hideous for typing on
[16:36] <Matt> mkopack: the faceplate was aluminium
[16:36] <Matt> so it bent :)
[16:37] <Matt> and yes, it was
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[16:37] <drazyl> mkopack it was a lot cheaper than a C64
[16:37] <mkopack> It LOOKS it!
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Good god... Looks like it's been run over.
[16:37] <IT_Sean> Or sat on by a Very Large Person.
[16:37] <mkopack> I don't think they sold those here in the states, did they?
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[16:37] <mkopack> I don't remember them
[16:37] <Matt> IT_Sean: it was retrieved from the bottom of a box of other crap
[16:38] <Matt> alas it was replaced by a bigger and better machine, and put away, buried, and later rediscovered
[16:38] <drazyl> my archived spectrum is one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg
[16:38] <mkopack> I remember the TRS-80's, the COCO, the Pet, the Vic-20, the Ti 99/4A...
[16:38] <mkopack> The Colleco Adam
[16:38] <mkopack> (god I remember wanting one of those SOOOO badly)
[16:38] <mkopack> LOL
[16:38] * Matt has a trash 80 model 1 :)
[16:38] <Matt> dunno if I have photos online tho
[16:38] <mkopack> Matt: That thing must weigh, what, 50 lbs?
[16:39] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/pict0111.jpg
[16:39] <Matt> the model 1? :)
[16:39] <Matt> it's not bad actually
[16:39] <Matt> the fdd's are the heaviest component
[16:39] <Matt> cause they've got their own integrated mains PSUs
[16:39] <mkopack> I think I used the Model 3? in Elementary school a little bit
[16:39] <Matt> which at that time were before this switching mode nonsense
[16:39] <Matt> all linear with big transformers
[16:40] <ukscone> yup andy did it a couple of weeks ago -- really nice
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[16:40] <mkopack> Yeah, I think it was the Model 3
[16:40] <Matt> the 3 was the natural replacement for the 1 IIRC
[16:40] <ukscone> i'll be doing FBZX as i like that one better although fuse was my goto for years
[16:40] <mkopack> First computer I ever touched actually
[16:40] <Matt> they were similar from a software perspective
[16:41] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/ <-- all the fun stuff I had to rehome when I moved
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[16:44] <mkopack> Just got another "doesn't tell you anything, but sit tight, you'll be informed when it's your turn to order" email from Allied (RS USA)
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[16:44] <mkopack> Damn Matt, I thought I had a lot of old junk to ditch! I gave a LOT of stuff away to schools a couple years ago.
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[16:44] <mkopack> Figured they might find a use for a lot of it
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[16:46] <aditsu> I had once of these when I was little: http://k1.dyndns.org/Vintage/Sinclair/82/Clones/Romania/ICE%20Felix/HC%2090%2C%2040%20keys.jpg (Spectrum clone)
[16:46] <aditsu> one*
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[16:46] <Matt> mkopack: I used to collect old hardware :)
[16:47] <Matt> the MicroVAX II was loads of fun, for example
[16:47] <daVirus> hi
[16:48] <aditsu> hehe, the pi in this channel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andysretrocomputers/6974089403/sizes/o/in/set-72157629550077581/
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[16:53] <aditsu> want pi now
[16:55] <mkopack> relax grasshopper??? SOON
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[16:56] <Matt> nah, you want one of these: http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/pict0156.jpg
[16:56] <daVirus> hey soon is a TM by blizzard :D
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[16:57] <traeak> ahh the old sparc server
[16:57] <aditsu> lo bob! you have pi?
[16:57] <traeak> i liked the pizza boxes of the sparc 5/10/20 series
[16:57] <traeak> the hard drive area was clever
[16:58] <Matt> how about one of these? http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/forsale/pict0098.jpg
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[17:00] <aditsu> me like pi
[17:02] <traeak> Matt: yeah all the ram slots on those sparcs were scary
[17:03] <traeak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NeXTcube.jpg
[17:03] <traeak> this is still the coolest though
[17:04] <Matt> I should snap some pics of the stuff I have on my bench now
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[17:04] <aditsu> pi is goooood
[17:05] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/labneedsatidy.jpg is the most recent snap
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[17:05] <Matt> and that's gotta be almost 12 months old
[17:05] <traeak> i chucked most of my old stuff
[17:05] <Matt> based on the box I have on that table
[17:05] <traeak> wife starts it, kids steal parts and get cut on the metal
[17:05] <Matt> (yes, that's liquid cooled)
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[17:06] <aditsu> Matt: looks a bit like the Torchwood base
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[17:16] <bnmorgan-phone> Anyone check their shipping dates recently
[17:16] <bnmorgan-phone> Have I missed something huge?
[17:16] <passstab> no
[17:16] <Matt> aditsu: compare to http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/room/tn/room-03.jpg.html
[17:16] <passstab> only more of the same
[17:17] <passstab> "this time it's REALLY comming"
[17:17] * IT_Sean taunts bnmorgan-phone with a raspi
[17:18] <bnmorgan-phone> Went from early April to mid August
[17:18] <mkopack> bnmorgan - see front page of rip website
[17:18] <mkopack> rpi
[17:18] <bnmorgan-phone> Rip may be right
[17:18] <mkopack> and relax. it's just a clerical mistake
[17:19] <bnmorgan-phone> Ah ok....
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[17:20] <Matt> "it ships when it ships" :)
[17:20] <Matt> chill out
[17:20] <Matt> be mellow
[17:20] <Matt> have a cup of tea :)
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[17:24] <bnmorgan-phone> I'm not super worried since I have no idea what to do with it when I get it anyway
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[17:25] <Matt> dance around waving at people who don't have one?
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[17:26] <mkopack> lol, then why did you order one???
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[17:31] <zleap> just re-registered with rs, as according to their site if Iam not getting regluar e-mails I should do so, so hopefully I will get some e-mall from RS
[17:31] <bnmorgan-phone> To tinker with. I'll find some use. Maybe mining btc
[17:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ALSO CHECK YOUR SPAM FOLDERS
[17:31] <zleap> oh nice we have a speccy emulator, all that tech to run a computer that is almost as old as the price of the reasp PI
[17:31] <bnmorgan-phone> :)
[17:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops
[17:31] <zleap> ah
[17:32] <PiOfCube_> anyone know how to disable the onscreen keyboard on driod tablets? LOL
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[17:33] <Hourd> PiOfCube_: have some other form of keyboard
[17:33] <Hourd> when miens docked the keyboard does not show
[17:33] <Hourd> *mines
[17:36] <zgreg> hmm. gnome 3.4 is pretty neat.
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[17:38] <beardface> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1testbench1.png
[17:38] <beardface> I"m very happy that my 3d printed pcb prototype looks identical to that
[17:38] <beardface> it'll be fun to have them side by side when it finally comes
[17:39] <mkopack> beard: "Is it real, or is it Memorex?"
[17:39] <mkopack> lol
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> To be fair - it's a little less fuzzy.
[17:40] <mkopack> lol
[17:40] <beardface> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/raspberry_pi_painted.png
[17:40] <beardface> granted i did a shit job painting it
[17:40] <beardface> it looks pretty close
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Indeed it does.
[17:40] <traeak> beardface: looks like candy or something
[17:40] <beardface> it is actually made from PLA
[17:41] <beardface> which is a plastic derived from sugar
[17:41] <beardface> so smells like carmel when i print them
[17:41] <mkopack> haha
[17:41] <beardface> :)
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> It should be 'easy' to add a dye injector into the printhead
[17:41] <mkopack> yeah, that isn't going to make you hungry, nah!
[17:41] <beardface> SpeedEvil, it should be
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> I wondered the other day about including fibre reinforcement into the gluegun.
[17:41] <beardface> but it's the work getting up to making it easy that is hard
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> Cast it into the rod.
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> you'd need an active chopper then of course
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> And it'll only work for some patterns
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[17:42] <beardface> i feel much better right now seeing the photos from the rpi factory
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> But - if you can print layers each way - you can get moderately reasonable strength
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[17:42] <beardface> so, props to them for the transparency (finally)
[17:43] <traeak> although everything is i guess on hold
[17:43] <beardface> yeah, on hold, no dates
[17:44] <beardface> EU bitches pushing compliance
[17:44] <beardface> they just want their $
[17:45] <IT_Sean> relax.
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[17:45] <beardface> ?
[17:45] <beardface> IT_Sean, are you a relaxbot? that was your one comment yesterday too
[17:46] <beardface> botsnack
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Yes. I am.
[17:46] <IT_Sean> :p
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[17:49] <hotwings> [08:37:17] <beardface> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1testbench1.png <-- whats the supposed to be a pic of? some chinese woman fixing the ethernet port?
[17:50] <beardface> hotwings: testing boards
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[17:51] <Kolin> the clues in the url
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[17:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1seaofpis.png <- i like that one
[17:55] <hotwings> Kolin - theres no clue anywhere. testbench can mean a million different things. -1
[17:56] <IT_Sean> testbench usually means a bench where things are tested.
[17:56] <IT_Sean> 's pretty clear to me.
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[17:57] <hotwings> ok.. testing what? theres nothing in the url to tell you now is there
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[17:58] <beardface> raspberrypi.org
[17:59] <beardface> read the blog
[17:59] <hotwings> you would have a point if it said 1testbench1_ce_testing.png... or 1testbench1_usetesting.png.... but it doesnt now does it
[17:59] <hotwings> beardface - i only looked at the pic you posted, not read any blogs..
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[19:27] <Cheery> "Raspberry Pi delayed because aliens stole the freight."
[19:28] <traeak> heh
[19:28] <Cheery> "Raspberry Pi delayed due to streak of lolcats"
[19:29] <piless> "Raspberry Pi cancelled to due foundations incompetence"
[19:29] <piless> *due to
[19:29] <IT_Sean> "RaspberryPi delayed because IT_Sean stole all of them"
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[19:29] <IT_Sean> err... Don't read that one!
[19:29] <Cheery> piless: not cancelled. delayed!
[19:30] * zer0her0 tackles IT_Sean and steals them???back.
[19:30] <piless> Cheery: Latest blog post says they're cancelled
[19:30] <Cheery> no it doesn't.
[19:31] <piless> Cheery: You're probably still on the cache, try pressing shift +f5
[19:32] <Cheery> piless: it'd be fun to inject that message into unsuspecting responses.
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[19:35] <Cheery> why everyone wants raspberry pi so badly?
[19:35] <traeak> /bitch on
[19:35] <traeak> hehe
[19:35] <mkopack> All will come clean on Sunday :)
[19:35] <traeak> Cheery: i'm not sure, maybe they think having a raspberry pi will give them meaning in life
[19:35] <Cheery> well I honestly ask that as I'm not sure neither.
[19:36] <Cheery> I know what I'll do with one.. but what most who buy with it.. hm.
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[19:37] <mkopack> Most people will buy it thinking it's going to be this cheap HTPC setup, then they'll get disappointed when they realize most of their content won't run on it (H.264 only hardware decoding) and will leave it in a drawer never to be used again
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[19:37] <Cheery> I'll use it in #essence
[19:38] <traeak> mkopack: yup, that could be true
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[19:38] <zgreg> yes, it's sort of crazy how ill-informed people are
[19:38] <piless> I just going to use it for a quite torrent box that I can just hide out of the way
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[19:38] <piless> *quiet
[19:38] <traeak> piless: you could use a pogoplug for that
[19:38] <traeak> and frankly a pogoplug would be much better at it than an rpi
[19:38] <piless> more expensive though
[19:38] <traeak> $24 ??
[19:38] <traeak> i hvae two of them
[19:38] <traeak> how is that more expensive
[19:38] <mkopack> Plus the pogo has eSATA, doesn't it?
[19:38] <Cheery> also I'm hoping they'll get the closed source stuff away entirely in further versions.
[19:38] <traeak> no
[19:38] <traeak> just 4 usb ports and a gigabit
[19:39] <mkopack> oh
[19:39] <Cheery> sort of.. freedom computer.
[19:39] <Cheery> osdever dream.
[19:39] <mkopack> Cheery: no chance of that???
[19:39] <traeak> the more expensive pogoplug has esata
[19:39] <mkopack> Too closely tied to Broadcomm's I.P.
[19:39] <piless> traeak: https://pogoplug.com/devices#ppdevices_table try $50
[19:39] <traeak> the $24 one with case, power, gigabit, 4usb is just fine
[19:40] <zer0her0> a quick search only turns up the ~$50 range for a PP
[19:40] <traeak> piless: nice retail price, keep an eye out on slickdeals, it drops constantly
[19:40] <traeak> http://tinyurl.com/chzj8ck
[19:41] <piless> traeak: well for me the retail price = the price..
[19:41] <piless> the rpi is cheaper
[19:41] <rm> there are a lot of special discounts on pogoplug recently
[19:41] <rm> to $25-30
[19:41] <zer0her0> hey i got this awesome price on this device, it doesn't normally sell @ that nor is it it's MSRP, BUT we'll just pretend it is ;)
[19:41] <rm> sadly each of those usually ships to us-only
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[19:42] <piless> and they're pink.
[19:42] <piless> I'm not secure enough in my sexuality to use a pink device
[19:42] <piless> black ftw
[19:42] <traeak> unfortunatley i only got the black ones
[19:43] <traeak> i got two of them a couple fmonths ago on one of those deals
[19:43] <traeak> which keep on repeating
[19:43] <piless> sheevaplug would be ideal but that's too pricey
[19:44] <traeak> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/763601-REG/Pogoplug_POGO_B01_B01_Multimedia_Sharing_Device.html
[19:44] <traeak> that's not on sale, that's just their price...nlot sure about shipping
[19:44] <traeak> and yeah it's only armv5
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[19:44] <piless> I said I don't do pink
[19:44] <piless> Any cheap ones on uk sites?
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[19:46] <SpeedEvil> No.
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> Lack of UK pogos is annoying
[19:47] <piless> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pogoplug-File-Media-Sharing-Device/dp/B003FZB6C8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1333043071&sr=1-1
[19:47] <piless> so more much more expensive
[19:47] <traeak> youch that's brutal
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-PogoPlug-Multimedia-USB-Hard-Drive-Cloud-Sharing-Device-iPhone-iPad-/140728666777?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item20c4150a99 - cheapest ebay BIN
[19:48] <mete_cetin> hello, i want to buy raspberry pi but waiting for a chinesee fork lol i think chinesee one will be 5 | 10 box...
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[19:49] <Cheery> lol. so..
[19:50] <Cheery> it's a mystery why anyone wants raspberry?
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[19:50] <traeak> keep on dreaming about cheap chinese knockoff
[19:50] <traeak> chinese factories want their profit as well
[19:50] <Cheery> except that we can make assumptions like the one about media box dream.
[19:50] <piless> traeak: they'll be plentry of knockoffs
[19:51] <mjr> Cheery, toy. Also, perhaps stepmania box. They've apparently been interested in porting.
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[19:51] <Cheery> I guess rPi actually does quite well as a media box if you're a pirate.
[19:51] <traeak> piless: perhaps, but always with some caveats if it's going to be cheaper
[19:51] <Cheery> plug usb media and dl videos converted to format it can play.
[19:52] <traeak> arrgh
[19:52] <mjr> Cheery, I hear some newer pirate releases of some things (anime being popular) require things like 10 bit video though, which afaik the rasp can't accelerate
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[19:52] <OneFix_Work> I have a question, if the boards can't be shipped in the EU without CE certification, couldn't they be shipped elsewhere ... like the US? I'm just wondering, because if certification takes very much longer, and production could begin pushing out orders to other countries...
[19:52] <traeak> i've got to re-encode my powerpuff girls collection again...had some issues with corruption doing it batch
[19:52] <Cheery> mjr: ye. and most pirates pick platforms fitting for it already.
[19:53] <Cheery> mjr: maybe it's that toy aspect.
[19:53] * mjr plays back in software and hasn't really paid attention what wants what
[19:53] <Cheery> and maybe there's shittons of hackers in the world and they all want rPi.. that might explain it alone too.
[19:53] <traeak> although i'm probably violating some laws using h264 encoding without paying royalties or something
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[19:54] <mjr> traeak, depends on where you are. Private use of patented technology is considered ok in places. Not the US, I hear. They're the land of the free, after all.
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[19:54] <traeak> heh
[19:54] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Well, the rPi has the capabilities of speeding up h264 encoding with the GPU, but I don't think the code has been licensed
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[19:55] <mjr> I also hear but haven't checked that the Finnish h264 relevant patents that the MPEG LA protection racket lists have actually expired. That's nice if true, though they are a global problem still.
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[20:03] <terminator> hmm, these setbacks make me sad, I was hoping to get mine next week :(
[20:03] <OneFix_Work> BTW, anyone else see the FCC "getout clause" that someone posted on the CE certification update?
[20:04] <ocx> any idea on release date of next wave?
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[20:05] <OneFix_Work> ocx: The first 2000 are in the UK, the next 8000 are about a week behind...and then it's a hurry up and wait before shipping can begin
[20:05] <IT_Sean> the 1st wave still isn't out. The "2nd wave" won't even begin to go into production until the 1st wave ships, as the 1st wave is paying for the 2nd wave, OneFix_Work
[20:05] <IT_Sean> oops, that was intended for ocx
[20:05] <OneFix_Work> ocx: No idea on when Farnell / RS will have their factories ready to produce
[20:06] <ocx> any alternative box for the moment?
[20:06] <ocx> to get familiar with the technology
[20:06] <traeak> wait and see on the mele a1000
[20:06] <OneFix_Work> ocx: BeagleBoard is an alternative, although it's more expensive
[20:06] <traeak> can't think of what else competes
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[20:07] <ocx> do you think its better to run the OS on ther internal microsd or on an SD card SLC ?
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[20:07] <ocx> same bus shared?
[20:07] <ocx> any ideaS?
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[20:08] <IT_Sean> Running the raspi on anything OTHER than an SD card will be a pain in the arse.
[20:08] <IT_Sean> It's hardcoded to boot off the SD card
[20:09] <IT_Sean> So, you would need an SD card with boot inscructions to then boot off of something else. ...or something.
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[20:09] <ocx> aha so no micro sd built in
[20:09] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Actually, I would say the BeagleBone is even closer the rPi, but it's still not exactly the same...no HDMI, no keyboard/mouse ports
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> ocx: you could use a microSD in an SD card adapter thing.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> But, whatever sort of SD card you boot off of, it has to be in the SD slot. It cannot be on a USB reader or anything.
[20:10] <ocx> anyone tried the dreamplug?
[20:10] <OneFix_Work> ocx: The rPi doesn't have a BIOS like your PC does, it gets its "brain" from the SD card...you will want to boot the OS off of your SD card
[20:10] <ocx> seems good
[20:11] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Yea, it's also ~$200
[20:11] <ocx> yea this is the problem
[20:11] <ocx> but more memory
[20:11] <ocx> 512mb
[20:11] <ocx> wireless included
[20:11] <traeak> ocx: what's your timeline?
[20:11] <ocx> bT
[20:11] <ocx> so could be a potential alternative
[20:12] <ocx> around 1 month
[20:12] <OneFix_Work> ocx: The DreamPlug is just based on the SheevaPlug, as most of the other plug computers are
[20:12] <traeak> embedded or ?
[20:12] <traeak> software?
[20:13] <PaulFertser> IT_Sean: i'd not call a PITA a necessity to have an SD with kexec preconfigured inserted if it really gives considerable speed advantage.
[20:13] <ocx> yea but whats the difference betwwen the raspberry and these plugs?
[20:13] <ocx> only cost?
[20:13] <IT_Sean> PaulFertser: fair point. It'd be an extra step.
[20:13] <ocx> i think they both share the same architecture
[20:13] <haltdef> they like to overheat I hear
[20:13] <traeak> ocx: you need gpu or just processor ?
[20:14] <ocx> what is the difference?
[20:14] <IT_Sean>
[20:14] <ocx> the plug got more processing power i think
[20:14] <ocx> 1200Ghz
[20:14] <OneFix_Work> I would also not *WANT* to buy an alternative to the rPi right now, unless absolutely necessary...because my prediction is that as soon as the rPi starts shipping, noone will want another board
[20:14] <ocx> sorry 1.2Ghz
[20:15] <IT_Sean> yeah... 1200 GHz would melt a hole in the floor.
[20:15] <ocx> but would be good practice to start getting familiatr with the box
[20:15] <ocx> hehe
[20:15] <ocx> arm
[20:15] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Yea, but it's an earlier version of the ARM design...the rPi's processor is going to be slightly faster than the SheevaPlug for most things
[20:15] <IT_Sean> The raspi has no wifi or BT, but, it does have a more easily accessable GPIO than some other boards.
[20:15] <IT_Sean> so...
[20:16] <ocx> i think the chinese would clone the RPI for 10$ :)
[20:16] <traeak> ocx: run virtual machine ?
[20:16] <traeak> ocx: i think not honestly
[20:16] <traeak> even the chinese want to make a profit
[20:16] <ocx> haha
[20:17] <aditsu> if they replace all they can with cheaper parts (like they did with the network plug), it might work
[20:17] <ocx> does windows run on arm?
[20:17] <ocx> is there something alike?
[20:17] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Different ARM designs are going to be widely different, because they have all been made with different concepts in mind...
[20:17] <ocx> *hopefully not*
[20:17] <aditsu> sure, it may blow up after 3 hours of use, but who cares?
[20:17] <traeak> aditsu: can't find "cheaper parts"
[20:17] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Windows 8 will run on ARM, but probably not on the rPi
[20:18] <traeak> "cheaper parts" means dramatically less capability
[20:18] <ocx> i think it will need more resources
[20:18] <aditsu> traeak: they already did (for the network port)
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[20:18] <traeak> aditsu: a few cents per unit is almost irrelevant
[20:18] <OneFix_Work> ocx: No, probably not more resources...just the fact that it's probably not going to be compatible with the bootstrap
[20:19] <ocx> i see
[20:19] <aditsu> they could also remove some ports
[20:19] <ocx> lets hope it doesnt work :)
[20:19] <OneFix_Work> ocx: There is already a project to get Android running on the rPi
[20:19] <aditsu> and wire the board in a cheaper (more shoddy) way
[20:20] <ocx> but does android give you the freedom linux gives?
[20:20] <ocx> gives*
[20:20] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Hehe...yea, since Android *IS* linux
[20:20] <traeak> removing ports is again a few cents per board
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[20:21] <ocx> ok so windows should start out of the way :)
[20:21] <ocx> stay*
[20:21] <aditsu> few cents here, few cents there, they add up; the Chinese are experts at this kind of things
[20:21] <traeak> the next "jump" will be to more even more stuff into the SOC ... and then getting rid of almost all of the pins in the cpu package
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[20:22] <OneFix_Work> ocx: Even if you got Windows to run on the rPi, you wouldn't be able to run any x86 compiled apps on it...you would basically be limited to HTML5 apps
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> traeak: Err - essentially all is.
[20:22] <traeak> there's still the issue of profit which the rpi foundation has decided to forgo
[20:22] <ocx> In January 2012, the company released specifications for Windows on ARM devices; Secure Boot can never be disabled on ARM devices,[61][79][80][81], causing concerns,[82][83][84] particularly in the Linux community.[85][86][87]
[20:22] <IT_Sean> And it would be sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> traeak: The only reason it's got external chips at all is because there is for some wacky reason a ethernet USB port on there.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> (and the regulators of course)
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> Regulators are tricky to integrate on chips for cost and other reasons
[20:23] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Yea, but there are at least 2 COMPANIES in the rPi "chain" that are making a profit...the factory and the distributor
[20:23] <traeak> SpeedEvil: i know...as mentioned before the cost of PCB is how many layers and traces which is related to the number of pins on the SOC package
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> To a degree, yes.
[20:24] <traeak> SpeedEvil: the point being no one will sell a capable rpi clone for dramatically less than the rpi will sell for
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> It's hard to do, and stay flexible.
[20:24] <OneFix_Work> traeak: I believe I read somewhere that the rPi's use of a 2-layer design actually makes it cheaper to produce
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> traeak: you can't actually get the parts for the Pi - unless you're willing to buy 100kish
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: hhahahhahhahhhahhahhahah
[20:25] <ocx> are distributors agreed upon around thw world?
[20:25] <ocx> or not yet
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: It's going to be at least 4 layer, if they have done some astounding design work.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: 6 layer is much more likely.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> The only reaosn the price is sane is the 10000 boards.
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> You basically cannot do significant BGA work on 2-layer boards.
[20:26] <traeak> SpeedEvil: hehe, this convo was related to these guys saying "lets wait until the chinese sell clones for $10...the answer is "yeah right"
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Where significant is more than a dozen or two pins
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> $10 clones are possible, but hard.
[20:26] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Ok, 6-layer...the point is that more layers actually keeps them from having to make a bigger board...which cuts down on the cost
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> The problem is getting the volume
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[20:27] <ocx> problem is low profit too
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could lop off all the connectors, optimise the area, and do it on about half the board area.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Maybe a bit less.
[20:27] <traeak> SpeedEvil: i suspect a businessman would look at that, the numbers wouldn't add up and they wouldn't do it
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> And put on DIP headers.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[20:28] <traeak> ie: the raspberry pi (whenever it decides to ship) is probalby defining the standard for the low end of devices like it
[20:29] <ReggieUK> did I just read that right? someone said 'pi on a 2 layer board'?
[20:29] <traeak> the best we can hope for is a rash of capable clones under 50USD
[20:30] <ReggieUK> traeak, and free shipping!!
[20:30] <ocx> wondering if spamassassin and clamav would run on this box
[20:30] <ocx> with the resources given
[20:30] <traeak> ReggieUK: ugh, yeah
[20:30] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Isn't that the point...the BroadCom chip on the board is where most of the "magic" is done...the board is just routing all of the connectors around...
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: yes.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: The connectors make the PCB more expensive by taking up extra area.
[20:31] <OneFix_Work> ReggieUK: I said 2-layers, and what I should have really said is multi-layered
[20:31] <traeak> case in point: the rpi that was demo'd may 2011
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: The PCB cost is per unit area. If you shrink the PCB - you shrink the cost of the PCB
[20:31] <traeak> tiny pcb, only hdmi + usb + microsd + power
[20:31] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: That was my point
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> - critically - with the same technology.
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> If you go to more advanced processes - 8 layer, finer pitch - the cost may well go up.
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: Sorry - should have read backscrol
[20:32] <traeak> i guess they also tossed a camera module on that may2011 version
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: It's just I found the notion of BGA processors on 2 layer boards hugely amusing. As I've been looking at what's requrired in reality
[20:32] <ReggieUK> same
[20:33] <ReggieUK> apart from the looking at what's required
[20:33] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: If you created a single layer board, the board would have to be at least 6x the size it is now...
[20:33] <ReggieUK> I've seen plenty of bga and teh work done on them to get them working
[20:33] <ReggieUK> even the little ones
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: You can't route it at all on a 1-layer board.
[20:33] <traeak> again, doesn't the density/number of pins in the SOC sort of demand a minimum number of layers?
[20:33] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: And it's cheaper to add another layer than it is to make more surface area
[20:33] <ReggieUK> one guy I know is p'd off enough to actually attempt to make his own multilayer boards in his workshop
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> OneFix_Work: Or indeed a 2-layer board on a sane process (in principle you could do it with nanovias)
[20:34] <ReggieUK> and his is only an ickle bga
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[20:41] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Well, you're probably right...I would presume that at the bare minimum, you would need the top and bottom layers, and you would likely have to have jumpers running everywhere...that is why the multi-layered design is more cost effective and also more robust in cases where it is needed
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Jumpers can't work at the pitches involved
[20:42] <IT_Sean> We talking about raspi?
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> And you basically need power and ground planes for stability reasons
[20:42] <IT_Sean> Yeah.... reeeeally tiny traces, really close together
[20:43] * IT_Sean laughs at the idea, a few months ago, of people wanting it in kit form to hand solder :p
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> I do.
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> But not hand.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> I want to do some playing with small embedded stuff running linux. Having a known system on the software side, and a known good schematic would make it 'easy' - leaving just assembly.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Which is doable, but tricky.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> You need an oven with the proper profile.
[20:44] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Right...my point was not that the rPi should be made with less layers, just that there are eventually more expensive alternatives to adding another layer...which is why they chose to add extra layers in some cases.
[20:46] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, you can get ps3 schematics these days, if you fancy a go ;)
[20:46] <ocx> does the raspberry have a JTAG port ?
[20:47] <ReggieUK> oooh good call, something I forgot to ask about
[20:47] <ReggieUK> not bothered about a 'port' just exposed connections would be good enough
[20:47] <ReggieUK> like audio
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[20:47] <ReggieUK> anyone got any plans to futz with the i2s on the pi?
[20:48] <OneFix_Work> Yea, I've soldered a mod chip onto an old Playstation before ... and a few of those were to machine soldered components ... I don't want to do that again.
[20:48] * ReggieUK hand soldered a 48pin tssop ram chip the other week
[20:49] <ReggieUK> but balls to hand soldering little resistors, that aint ever happening
[20:49] <ReggieUK> hot-air minimum or oven for those
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[20:49] <ReggieUK> well, it might on the big ones but the sort of thing on the pi/every other arm board/gfx card/random tech, not a chance
[20:50] <OneFix_Work> ReggieUK: For everything but prototype boards, machines have become cheaper and better at building the boards, so let them do it...
[20:50] <ReggieUK> ?
[20:50] <ReggieUK> why let the machines have all teh damn fun?
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[20:51] <traeak> automation and robotics
[20:51] <traeak> soon you won't need to hand solder, just program your robot to do it
[20:52] <OneFix_Work> traeak: Actually, there is a project to make the rPi into a CNC controller
[20:52] <ReggieUK> not sure it needs to be a controller does it?
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[20:53] <traeak> OneFix_Work: of course why not?
[20:53] <ReggieUK> are you talking about using the gpio to step some steppers?
[20:54] <ReggieUK> I was thinking about doing that for a couple of projects
[20:54] <ReggieUK> 3 pins is enough
[20:55] <ReggieUK> 5 if you want micro-stepping features
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[21:03] <piless> is it out yet?
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[21:03] <OneFix_Work> ReggieUK: Actually they are planning on using it to control the motors and serve as the control computer...512M should be enough to load a 3D model and keep up with the motors
[21:04] <piless> ow
[21:05] <mkopack> Onefix: Have the link to that? That's something I'd LOVE to build this summer
[21:06] <ocx> do you think an telco analog line can be connected to the Rasberry?
[21:06] <piless> no
[21:06] <ocx> thinking of a pbx solution
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[21:07] <mkopack> Not directly??? Maybe through some sort of interface board??? unless you can find a USB modem that would work...
[21:07] <IT_Sean> Other than a USB modem, which you would have to find / write drivers for, i cannot think of a way to attach a telco line to a raspi
[21:08] <piless> superglue would work
[21:08] <ReggieUK> OneFix_Work, I had a feeling they would be
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: i2s
[21:09] <mjr> if you can find a huawei E169 it interfaces with asterisk
[21:09] <IT_Sean> i2s?
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> I2S is a serial audio bus standard supported by the Pi.
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> actually - ignore that - I think it's probably out only
[21:10] <IT_Sean> Ooh
[21:14] <ReggieUK> it's on the board but the pins are used for something else I believe
[21:14] <ReggieUK> simple resistor mod apparently to gain access
[21:14] * IT_Sean thinks this battery is dead in this modem, irritatingly.
[21:14] <ReggieUK> lick it
[21:14] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)
[21:14] <ReggieUK> you know you want to
[21:15] <ReggieUK> meh, got to stop calling them pins
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[21:15] <IT_Sean> it's a coin cell.
[21:15] <IT_Sean> what is licking it going to do?
[21:16] <ReggieUK> nothing being a coin cell
[21:16] <IT_Sean> exactly
[21:16] <ReggieUK> how was i to know
[21:17] <ReggieUK> at least you'd know what it tasted like
[21:17] <IT_Sean> You weren't
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Yup. Dead. 3v cell reads 0.4v on my meter
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[21:20] <SpeedEvil> You can easily tell a flat coin cell by licking it
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> - actually near 0v
[21:20] * piless (5ec53d8e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.61.142) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> you should dry it off after though
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[21:21] <SpeedEvil> Or it will drain
[21:21] <IT_Sean> How?
[21:21] * mike_ is now known as Guest57978
[21:21] <mkopack> I thought they used the I2S interface?
[21:21] <IT_Sean> A 9v you feel if you lick it
[21:21] <IT_Sean> But, 3v?
[21:21] <IT_Sean> I don't think you'd feel that.
[21:21] <mkopack> It was in the original plan (Alpha boards) but I thought they ditched it on the beta and production?
[21:25] <ReggieUK> last time I asked about it, it was routed but used for something else
[21:25] <ReggieUK> it's in the forums somewhere
[21:26] <haltdef> I can feel 3v np
[21:26] <haltdef> tasty
[21:26] <IT_Sean> huh
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[21:27] * IT_Sean flicks the dead coin cell at haltdef
[21:27] <mkopack> ah
[21:27] * IT_Sean slots a new one into the modem, reprogramms it, and goes on his merry way
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[21:46] <piless> Is it out yet?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> piless: you asked that within the past hour.
[21:48] <piless> No I didn't
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> Pretty sure you did. I slapped you with... someone.
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[21:49] <IT_Sean> Don't remember who
[21:49] <IT_Sean> I don't have scrollback, but, i am pretty sure you asked that recently.
[21:51] <piless> You're incorrect
[21:52] <Dagger2> [20:03:43] <+piless> is it out yet?
[21:52] <Dagger2> [20:04:02] * @IT_Sean slaps piless with ReggieUK
[21:52] <piless> That wasn't me
[21:52] <zgreg> yes, it is out
[21:52] <zgreg> ...of china
[21:53] <piless> Says you
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[21:56] <ReggieUK> ewww, I'm coverd in ick now :(
[21:57] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, can you warn me before you use me to slap someone, then at least I can suit up
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[22:05] <IT_Sean> Sorry ReggieUK
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[22:07] <piless> hi
[22:09] <piless> noone?
[22:11] <aditsu> piless: http://cheezburger.com/6034958848
[22:11] <piless> FTFY: "Is it in yet?"
[22:12] <aditsu> anybody using fuse? I can't figure out how to load a dsk file
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[22:22] <aditsu> nevermind, I downloaded another format
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[22:29] <aditsu> ahh, good times
[22:33] <des2> Perhaps your fuse was blown.
[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne> badoom-tsh
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[22:49] <chronofast> Will the board be able to do sound over hdmi or do you have to run the sound independantly?
[22:50] <chronofast> or rather: is hdmi video only on the pi?
[22:50] <Thorn_> hdmi audio is supported.
[22:50] <chronofast> wonderful, thank you
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[22:53] <ReggieUK> are elephants through the uart supported?
[22:54] <mkopack> No, too fat. But Giraffe's are??? They're skinny but tall. :)
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on the kind of elephants and the rate of flow.. O_o
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[22:55] <ReggieUK> white ones
[22:56] <ReggieUK> and pink ones
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[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> no >=/
[22:57] <ReggieUK> shame
[22:57] <ReggieUK> pi would be super awesome with elephants over uart
[22:57] <ReggieUK> now it's just a toy
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> don't forget that it's and crippleware... they could've easily enabled the feature, but chose not to... probably because of Broadcom.
[22:59] <ReggieUK> :( how much does it cost to license elephants these days?
[22:59] <ReggieUK> pennies i bet + lots of hay
[22:59] <mkopack> depends, how much are peanuts going for?
[23:00] <ReggieUK> and buns
[23:00] <ReggieUK> and peanuts
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[23:00] * mkopack wonders if the local peanut farmers would get pissed if I let lose an elephant in their field to graze...
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that was my dose of silliness for the day. Off to uni! 'night.
[23:00] <ReggieUK> g'night !
[23:00] <mkopack> later!
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[23:28] <ukscone> http://youtu.be/voGWZEWuVII
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[23:50] <Davespice> nice video Russel
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[23:53] <piless> what
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[23:55] <Davespice> sorry piless, not you, ukscone I meant
[23:56] <piless> what
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[23:57] <Davespice> [22:27:28] <ukscone> http://youtu.be/voGWZEWuVII

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