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IRC Log for 2012-04-03

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[0:00] <passstab> the rpis are
[0:00] <passstab> just not avalible to get :D
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[0:01] <markus> i ordered mine yesterday
[0:01] <markus> 1 hour ago
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[0:01] <markus> Day changed to 03 Apr 2012
[0:01] <markus> 00:00 <+markus> i ordered mine yesterday
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[0:04] <piless> markus: prepare to wait a looooooooooooong time
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[0:13] <mkopack> markus: Man, you MIGHT get yours by mid-summer, MAYBE??? IF you're REALLY lucky
[0:13] <mkopack> Of course, at this point, we'll be lucky if ANY of us get ONE by end of April. I can't believe how SLOW this is going.
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[0:15] <Thorn_> because the rpi is a scam
[0:15] <Thorn_> and you are all fools muahahahaha etc
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[0:22] <GabrialDestruir> IF you're lucky you might get one this decade.
[0:22] <aditsu> wah, finally managed to order a dozen of books
[0:23] <Thorn_> lol books, you're so 19th century
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[0:24] * SpeedEvil just listed another bag of books.
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> I now have 320 on amazon.
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> Correction.
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> 327
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[0:24] <SpeedEvil> ~10% done
[0:24] <aditsu> there are some things you can't just find on the 'net, plus they're not for myself
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[0:27] <aditsu> pretty funny when the book costs ??0.63 and shipping costs ??9.00
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[0:29] <aditsu> (less funny when the book costs $33 and shipping costs $42 - amazon can kiss my... donkey)
[0:30] <haltdef> amazon marketplace?
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[0:30] <haltdef> never seen amazon charge anything unless you want it quick
[0:30] <aditsu> yeah.. and shipping to Hong Kong
[0:32] <fakker> from UK?
[0:33] <aditsu> it doesn't say where the seller is located
[0:34] <fakker> ah
[0:34] <aditsu> anyway, finally I ordered everything from another site
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Amazon charges seller significantly for the priviledge of doing amazon
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> Buyer's price: ??0.01 Amazon fees: -??1.35 Shipping: ??2.80 Your earnings: ??1.46
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[0:36] <SpeedEvil> - and of that 96p will go to postage
[0:37] <fakker> ouch
[0:37] <piofcube> usually the big amazon marketplace sellers have discounts on postage
[0:37] <aditsu> yeah I think I read something about sellers making money mostly from shipping charges
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[0:37] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: If you sell >40 items a month, it makes sense to pay for membership
[0:37] <piofcube> that's how you get 1p books
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> This takes the fees down to about 70p IIRC
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[0:38] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: I mean what the sellers pay the post office to post the items, not the amazon fees
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[0:39] <SpeedEvil> If you do enough buisness to get a franking machine, it gets cheaper too
[0:39] <piofcube> yeah
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[0:40] <IT_Sean> UPS _JUST_ dropped off my new laptop! :D
[0:40] <piofcube> if you sort the packages into the correct postal codes you get more discount from the post office
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[0:40] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: yeah - at high volumes.
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: 250 packets/day
[0:41] <aditsu> IT_Sean: did they drop it hard?
[0:41] <piofcube> SpeedEvil: Some of those 1p book sellers sell thousands per day LOL
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: Perhaps, yes.
[0:41] <IT_Sean> aditsu, no
[0:41] <IT_Sean> dillberg
[0:42] <piofcube> they just buy a couple of tonnes of books and see what they get... mostly mills and boons rubbish but they sell I guess LOL
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> piofcube: based on my experience - perhaps 2% sell promptly
[0:43] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: have you sold books like that?
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[0:43] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Well - not strictly - but I have ~3000 random SF/fantasy books I'm listing
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[0:43] <piofcube> I just wish I kept my copies of grim fandango... the prices they are asking for now...
[0:44] <aditsu> you're operating an online book store?
[0:44] <piofcube> one of the best games ever IMHO
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: I am trying to get rid of my stock of books.
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> that I bought to read
[0:45] <aditsu> you bought 3000 SF books? to read?
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/shops/Ian-s-Books/ref=aag_m_ss
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> - my bookstore
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: yes
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> I had a local second-hand-bookstore
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[0:48] <piofcube> some of those bring back memories
[0:49] <aditsu> yay, I found one that I know :p
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> I've read at least 90% of them.
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> At one point, I could go to a small bookshop - the SF/fantasy section, and have read >90% of the books.
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[0:51] <piofcube> shame they weren't audio books, I'd be ripping them out your hands LOL
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> I can read them to you, for a small fee.
[0:52] <piofcube> lol
[0:52] <aditsu> heh, I'm getting so many confirmation emails (8 sellers involved)
[0:53] <piofcube> bookmarked your store just in case
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> Highly amused - http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-03-26/lord-gold-to-head-conservative-party-funding-inquiry/
[0:54] <aditsu> Lord Gold? is that some silly SF book character?
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> Sounds like a Bond Villan.
[0:55] <aditsu> or a bling-y rapper
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Gold but no
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> I don't think he does rap.
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[1:01] <aditsu> ah, it's morning.. time to get some sleep
[1:01] <aditsu> wake me up if it's out
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[1:27] <Jak_o_Shadows> Keep thinking someone has said something to me, but it's just PiBot
[1:28] <RITRedbeard> :(
[1:29] <RITRedbeard> anyone here running unix/bsd flavor os, can you tell me if you have an entry for your soundcard under /dev? /dev/dsp maybe?
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> Jak_o_Shadows: Same here
[1:30] <Jak_o_Shadows> The disappointment is almost too much isnt' it?
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[1:31] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> maybe /dev/sound/dsp?
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[1:33] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:35] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:35] <Jak_o_Shadows> IT'S JUST TOO MUCH
[1:36] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:36] <Matt> IT_Sean: how was dinner?
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[1:36] <Jak_o_Shadows> piless is saying my name, making me think someones talking to me.
[1:37] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:38] <IT_Sean> Matt, fantastic.
[1:38] <IT_Sean> Now i'm installing Linux on my new laptop
[1:38] <IT_Sean> What are you up to?
[1:38] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
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[1:40] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
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[1:41] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
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[1:43] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:43] <IT_Sean> piless, why do you keep saying Jak_o_Shadows' name???
[1:43] <IT_Sean> You've done it 4 times in the past 5 minutes.
[1:44] <chandoo> i got email from newark, that delivery dates are delayed because of CE certification and pushed into Aug/2012
[1:45] <chandoo> it is just irritating with this kind of delay
[1:45] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows
[1:45] <IT_Sean> piless... please... it's annoying. stop it
[1:46] <chandoo> i was thinking of a project, interacting with screen with eye movements
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> I want to make a head-torch that does that.
[1:46] <chandoo> need camera module and no idea on programming
[1:47] <chandoo> SpeedEvil:-) woow do you have a description of your project
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> Eye-tracking, with dimming to keep peak brightness in a sane range.
[1:47] <IT_Sean> you don't need head gear to track eye movements. There is all sorts of clever iris-tracking cameras & soffware out there.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> chandoo: You're wandering around outside, the device tracks your gaze. If the point you are looking is under a certain brightness, it winds up the torch - pointed in that direction - to that target brightness.
[1:48] <piless> SpeedEvil: Is this an LED torch or an incandescent?
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> So it works to illuminate far things, without dazzling you.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> LED, yes.
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> Incandesent would be challenging to dim rapidly enough
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[1:49] <SpeedEvil> You need to be able to dim to ~1% and keep the same colour
[1:49] <piless> You can't change the brightness on the fly with LEDs, you can only switch them on and off at high freq
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> Wrong.
[1:49] <piless> What?
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> PWM is one method of chanign brightness. It's more efficient if you do it linearly though.
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> If you insist, I can start linking datasheets.
[1:50] <piless> SpeedEvil: Look, mate that's what I just said.
[1:50] <SpeedEvil> But - broadly speaking - LED brightness is mostly proportional to average current.
[1:50] <chandoo> SpeedEvil:-) what is the goal of your project, i didn't understand you clearly
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[1:50] <SpeedEvil> Pulsing the LEDs on and off is one way of altering the average current - however you get more light out for a given amount of power if you instead regulate the current smoothly.
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[1:51] <SpeedEvil> chandoo: Simply being a more effective headtorch to use when outside, that does not need adjustment so it does not dazzle you when you do different tasks.
[1:52] <chandoo> okay :) interesting
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> piless: See specifically the first graph on page 5 - http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLampXM-L.pdf - relative flux vs current
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> And note that pulsing puts you higher up a curve which is flattening out. Lower currents produce more light per watt.
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[1:54] <chandoo> SpeedEvil:-) so it also focus on where you are looking at right?
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> yes
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> Fast enough that when your eye slews to it, it's already illuminated
[1:57] <chandoo> great :) egar to see it in action
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[2:01] <zgreg> PWM also sucks for LEDs because the engineers in charge use a frequency that is much too low
[2:02] <zgreg> almost always, at least...
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Ideally you need a frequency that is invisible, even for saccades.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Where the eye may be moving at 720 degrees/s
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[2:15] <chandoo> SpeedEvil:-) is there a way to install flash support in the rpi images
[2:15] <chandoo> i downloaded debian and ran with qemu i don't see flash support
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> I have no clue
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[2:24] <victhor> chandoo: try gnash... it is really slow, even on native x86, though. It also doesn't work with some flash content
[2:25] <chandoo> so there is adobe flash plugin available for arm?
[2:26] <bikcmp> yes, there is
[2:26] <bikcmp> chandoo: oh, i thought this was #android.
[2:26] <victhor> gnash is not adobe flash... it's a clone.
[2:26] <bikcmp> chandoo: well.
[2:26] <victhor> well, not really a clone.
[2:26] <victhor> wrong word.
[2:26] <bikcmp> chandoo: it depends on the effort you want.
[2:26] <bikcmp> download android's flash player
[2:26] <bikcmp> hack around with the library.
[2:26] <hamitron> alternative? ;)
[2:27] <victhor> yes, that would be it
[2:27] <chandoo> someone must have done it
[2:28] <chandoo> someone might have done it
[2:28] <victhor> I have used gnash for a while. It played videos with a low frame rate for some reason... I never really changed the settings.
[2:29] <bikcmp> gnash sucked in my experiences
[2:29] <chandoo> if i hook rpi to my tv , if i want to play online content, how should i
[2:29] <bikcmp> hell flash sucked
[2:29] <chandoo> bikcmp:-) i agree
[2:29] <bikcmp> chandoo: bug the website creator's to use html5
[2:30] <chandoo> i think it is matter of time someone figured it out how to compile android adobe flash plugin for rpi, since rpi is arm
[2:30] <bikcmp> uh
[2:30] <bikcmp> it's easy
[2:31] <chandoo> i have touchpad which is arm, runs flash content
[2:31] <bikcmp> this is arm7, is it not
[2:31] <bikcmp> s/touch/maxi/
[2:31] <bikcmp> :(
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[2:31] <hamitron> does the rpi even have a good enough cpu to run flash? ;/
[2:31] <bikcmp> hamitron: my htc hero ran flash
[2:32] <bikcmp> 400 mhz
[2:32] <hamitron> or enough memory
[2:32] <bikcmp> admittingly it didn't run it very well
[2:32] <bikcmp> but yeah
[2:32] <bikcmp> hamitron: it does.
[2:32] <bikcmp> whether it'll run good is another story
[2:32] <chandoo> bikcmp:-) isn't rpi arm11
[2:32] <bikcmp> chandoo: eh
[2:32] <bikcmp> can that run arm7 binaries?
[2:32] <chandoo> it should
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[2:32] <hamitron> I'd guess it will run things that an old phone could run.... but an old phone was never asked to run the complex flash we asked of our desktops ;)
[2:32] <victhor> I hope you are not confusing ARMv7 with ARM7
[2:33] <chandoo> but again with 256mb ram ,i don't know if it flash content works well or not
[2:34] <chandoo> but again with 256mb ram ,i don't know if flash content works well or not
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> I think there's an echo in here.
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> I think there's an echo in here.
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> :)
[2:34] <victhor> ARM7 is an old core ARMv4. ARMv7 (Cortex) is not ARM7 and ARM11 (ARMv6) can not run ARMv7 code.
[2:35] <chandoo> victhor:-) i leave it to experts
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[2:36] <DooMMasteR> ARM11 is ARMv6 and used on many lower end Android devices :P but yeah, they are not bonary compatible
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[2:36] <chandoo> i don't know when world will switch to html5 or V8 from flash
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[2:39] <chandoo> what is qualcom snapdragon APQ8086
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> It's a processor.
[2:39] <chandoo> i know :)
[2:39] <chandoo> what arm architecture it is
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[2:41] * hamitron hasn't even had an arm toy yet
[2:41] <hamitron> :/
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: no phone?
[2:42] <hamitron> no
[2:42] <hamitron> I got a NAS with a sparq cpu
[2:42] <hamitron> :)
[2:43] <RITRedbeard> I have a machine with a MIPS CPU
[2:43] <RITRedbeard> and it plays games!
[2:43] <hamitron> :D
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> I have one mips box too
[2:43] <hamitron> way I feel, will be sticking with mostly 32 bit intel machines
[2:44] <hamitron> just don't need the modern ways, with everything connected and communicating
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> processor : 0
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> cpu model : MIPS 4KEc V4.8
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> BogoMIPS : 211.35
[2:44] <chandoo> APQ8086 is Arm9 dual core
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> The above is not dualcore. :)
[2:46] <chandoo> SpeedEvil:-) dual core in my hp touchpad
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> also
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> kids scream in delight when they get my machine for christmas
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[2:48] <victhor> I have seen ARM9 dual cores. Seriously.
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil knows what the fuck is up
[2:49] <victhor> btw I think that's a cortex a9 not ARM9... they are very different
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8q-elxC6gU
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[2:54] <RITRedbeard> What?
[2:54] <RITRedbeard> Nobody thought that was good?
[2:54] <RITRedbeard> Actually, I have some homework due tonight that is some MIPS assembly
[2:54] <SpeedEvil> Maybe somewhat dated now :)
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[2:56] <RITRedbeard> Dated?
[2:56] <RITRedbeard> Pfft.
[2:56] <RITRedbeard> Goldeneye, dude.
[2:57] <RITRedbeard> Plus Nintendo got snubbed by Sony cuz they wanted to go behind their backs and use some Phillips thing.
[2:57] <RITRedbeard> So Sony said "piss off" and that is why the N64 was stuck with cartridges.
[2:58] <RITRedbeard> Which is exactly why Final Fantasy VII, with its FMV, totally jumped ship from the planned 64 (remember, Square always buddies with Nintendo up until this point) to Sony's contraption
[2:58] <RITRedbeard> which also MIPS based from their line of arcade machines
[2:59] <RITRedbeard> The more you know!
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> The real pisser though is that these RISC architectures, it doesn't matter.
[3:00] * Matt did MIPS asm at uni
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> Great, you have this simple instruction set but guess what?
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> You have some DSP attached or some other proprietary fangled things attached
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> Well, crap
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> Not that CISC architectures are any different
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> but the buses of x86 things are standardized
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> well
[3:01] <RITRedbeard> very well
[3:01] <hamitron> just wait till HAM spec is released ;)
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[4:21] <Kyzz_> whats up everyone
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[5:09] <mpthompson> Quiet night?
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[5:10] <Kyzz_> mpthompson whats up
[5:10] <mpthompson> Waiting for compiles to complete.
[5:12] <mpthompson> I'm slowly getting closer to a hard float version of Debian running on the RPi. It would be nice to have real hardware to try it on. :-(
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[5:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[5:15] <SpeedEvil> :(
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[5:21] <mpthompson> Anyone care to speculate how much momentum RPi is losing because of the shipping delays? Is it no big deal and will be quickly forgotten once hardware is in hand?
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[5:23] <mpthompson> I hope they can hold on the $35 price point, but that looks to now be out of their hands and in the hands of their distribution partners. I guess time wil tell.
[5:23] <RITRedbeard> huh?
[5:23] <RITRedbeard> that's weird
[5:24] <RITRedbeard> oh right
[5:24] <RITRedbeard> .bash_profile vs .bashrc
[5:24] <RITRedbeard> I was freaking out for a second
[5:24] <hotwings> other companies have fumbled far worse and recovered but you never know
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[5:27] <mpthompson> Whatever date it actually is, if their distribution partners can create enough to meet the initial demand I think they should be able to recover.
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[5:28] <mpthompson> Of course their goals are to get kids interested in programming and what makes computers tick. That goal is a bit different from all the DIYers who want access to a cheap, but powerful ARM board.
[5:29] <hotwings> things have a tendency to cool off pretty quick. we'll see what the interest is like in 12 months
[5:29] <mpthompson> I'm not sure if success in one area correlates well with success in the other area.
[5:30] <hotwings> what you would like people to do with a product and what they actually do with it are apples & oranges
[5:30] <mpthompson> Well, if anything, there have to be some manufactures in China who have been eyeing the buzz around the RPi. Perhaps if anything, the buzz demonstrates the demand for a very low cost device.
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> The problem is advertising.
[5:31] <mpthompson> If there is demand, someone will address it.
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> The market doens't work that way.
[5:31] <hotwings> not necessarily. buzz doesnt always == sales, and sales is where the buck stops
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> There is a demand for a 4:3 laptop
[5:31] <RITRedbeard> jeez I really need to bite the bullet and learn to use the rest of the hardcore utils
[5:31] <SpeedEvil> They do not exist.
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> especially gdb
[5:32] <mpthompson> I'm not sure if lack of advertising hurt the Arduino. I realize though, the RPi is not an Arduino.
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> You can do Java and C last minute.
[5:32] <hotwings> also, buzz today that disapates tomorrow is worthless
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> Assembly? I DUNNO
[5:32] <mpthompson> Buzz disapation is a big concern.
[5:33] <des2> Unless you can buy them momentum doesn't matter.
[5:33] <hotwings> i dont think advertising was such a problem considering how many people showed interest on launch day
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: Are you kidding?
[5:34] <hotwings> sales is what creates the momentum. until you have sales, you have nothing
[5:34] <mpthompson> Kidding?
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: Pi had about 15 minutes total coverage on national radio at least in the UK.
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> Spread across 3 or 6 spots.
[5:35] <SpeedEvil> And they got _lots_ of coverage on /. and even actual mainstream media.
[5:35] <SpeedEvil> The government minister in charge of such things even mentioned them.
[5:35] <SpeedEvil> That's some serious advertising.
[5:35] <des2> People will move on to the next fad if you can actually buy that one.
[5:35] <SpeedEvil> For a startup in china wanting to do a similar board - they have nothing like this.
[5:36] <SpeedEvil> They probably don't even have someone that speaks english very well.
[5:36] <hotwings> yup des2
[5:36] <mpthompson> Actually, I'm in the camp that I don't think advertising in an issue.
[5:36] <hotwings> people are very impatient these days
[5:36] <hotwings> society today is me me me, now now now
[5:37] <mpthompson> I have a Mele A1000 on order. It is twice the cost of the Pi, but looks like a worthy contender, but it's packaging is much more polished. I'll know more when I get my hands on it.
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> mpthompson: If people don't know about your product - you can't sell it to them.
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[5:38] <mpthompson> SpeedEvil: Agreed.
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[5:39] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, you can bypass this.
[5:39] <Henchman21> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> For example, if people are going to be going to ebay and searching for "foo to bar converter"
[5:40] <mpthompson> I have memory of when the OLPC launched. That got really good press here in the US, but their momentum quickly evaporated. However, it did give a boost to netbooks before tablets took their thunder.
[5:41] <Henchman21> i just helped my dad bypass is new car stereo/dvd player "e-brake lock" (the dvd player wont play if the e-brake isnt engaged)
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[5:41] <CyberCitizen> hey, anyone on?
[5:42] <SpeedEvil> no
[5:42] <CyberCitizen> :P
[5:43] <mpthompson> There are some of us here. Seems to be a quiet night though.
[5:43] <CyberCitizen> oh
[5:43] <hotwings> a lotta euros in here as well, who are probably fast asleep by now
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[5:54] <CyberCitizen> hey does anyone know when the boards are shipping from element 14 to the us?
[5:55] <SpeedEvil> Not yet.
[5:56] <CyberCitizen> aww....
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[6:00] <[deXter]> What? Didn't you know that the boards were being shipped on 12/12/2012?
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[6:09] <mpthompson> I was reading in the forums about people wanting to use Eclipse and Netbeans to develop for the RPi itself. Those people are going to be dissapointed. I don't think any GUI tools will be of much use.
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[6:11] <mpthompson> A TurboPascal or TuboC++ of 1988 vintage would be terrific for the RPi. Text based, well integrated and more polished than using gcc, vim and make. I just don't think anything like that has survived to be useful today.
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[6:12] <mpthompson> I guess emacs will run fine, but that is miles apart from what the TurboPascal and TurboC++ environments were.
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[6:16] <des2> What about my $19 Turbo Pascal ?
[6:20] <mpthompson> Is there a version of Turbo Pascal that runs on ARM?
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[7:58] <RITRedbeard> oops
[7:58] <RITRedbeard> I was clobbering my register I was using as reference for offset to array
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[8:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[8:35] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 8??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 10??C - 2??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[8:38] <weuxel> !w
[8:38] <weuxel> !w Friedberg
[8:38] <PiBot> weuxel: in Friedberg, Bavaria. Temp 4??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 86%, Later 17??C - 6??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[8:38] <weuxel> !w Friedberg, Hessen
[8:38] <PiBot> weuxel: in Friedberg, Hesse. Temp 4??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 75%, Later 17??C - 7??C. Condition: Fog.
[8:39] <Gallomimia> i want pi
[8:39] <weuxel> pi flavor?
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[8:41] <Gallomimia> strawberry?
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[8:47] <RITRedbeard> !w Rochester, NY
[8:47] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: in Rochester, NY on Tue Apr 3 05:54:00 2012. Temp 2??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%, Later 13??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[8:47] <RITRedbeard> thought so
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[9:00] <shirro> !w
[9:00] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Tue Apr 3 22:00:00 2012. Temp 23??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 61%, Later 26??C - 15??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[9:06] <shirro> do any of the distros ship with qt in their default image. just did a qt5 build on the laptop with most everything but webkit and its nearly 2G! I am guessing a lot can be cut
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[9:25] <Dagger2> shirro: the actual libraries are more like <100 MB. when you build from source you end up with a pile of other stuff too
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[9:29] <Dagger2> this is from my Windows build tree, but it also has debug versions of the libraries (100 MB), an entire second copy of all the libraries (170MB), incremential linker files (700 MB), symbols (230 MB) and .lib files (webkit's are 500 MB each for release and debug)
[9:29] <Dagger2> ... thankfully NTFS does online compression
[9:30] <shirro> Dagger2: it is very dependent on the build options. I am wondering what the minimum useful would be. obviously qmlviewer and whatever libs it needs. I did a linux build without webkit and I think is about 500MB in lib
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[9:31] <drazyl> morning
[9:32] <Mowee> Morning
[9:33] <SpeedEvil> mehning.
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[9:40] <Dagger2> shirro: "depends on what you're doing"... you should be able to delete most of the temporary build files though; I think only the .dll and .lib files are needed (on Windows) for linking programs that use Qt, which is 250 MB for debug+release
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[10:03] <shirro> Dagger2: thanks. i will do some cross compile release builds and see what it comes down too. just trying to get a gut feeling for the size.
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[12:47] <techman2> evening
[12:47] <weuxel> Good Day
[12:48] <techman2> how's things?
[12:48] <DaMummy> morning
[12:49] <weuxel> waiting for the pi and stuff
[12:49] <techman2> of course.
[12:49] <techman2> :)
[12:49] <DaMummy> same
[12:49] <techman2> +1
[12:50] <weuxel> true... true
[12:50] <techman2> I could be doing the things I want to do with the pi on this PC right now.
[12:50] <techman2> but... it's not a pi so I don't want to.
[12:51] <techman2> I'm encouraged by the progress so far though
[12:51] <DaMummy> dont put yourself through that
[12:52] <DaMummy> dont not do something just so you can do it on something that might be released "soon"
[12:52] <DaMummy> been there done that, "soon" can be a LONG tim
[12:52] <techman2> well it's nothing life or death
[12:52] <techman2> just want to get a bit further along with learning C
[12:53] <techman2> keen to be doing it on the pi so there's less distractions
[12:55] <weuxel> Why C if i might ask.
[12:55] <weuxel> Just interested, dont wanna troll.
[12:55] <techman2> I like the idea of being relatively close to the hardware
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[12:56] <techman2> and I've always been fascinated by it.
[12:57] <techman2> have you done any C programming yourself?
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[12:59] <weuxel> Yes, at the university. Was not my thing. Takes ages to get things done.
[12:59] <techman2> yes it's not at easy as things like Python etc.
[13:01] <techman2> do you still code?
[13:01] <weuxel> It is more that you need to do everything yourself... It is like 20 lines to generate a socket in C. It is like 3 in Java, and 1 in Python.
[13:02] <techman2> yes true
[13:02] <techman2> there's no garbage collection etc.
[13:02] <techman2> but I think that's part of the attraction for me
[13:03] <Hourd> manual memory allocation \o/
[13:03] <techman2> haha yep.
[13:03] <Hourd> blessing or a curse? :P
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[13:03] <Ticho> bit of both
[13:03] <Ticho> but it's more fun
[13:04] <techman2> like everything :)
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[13:04] <Hourd> i've got a hole in my bucket...
[13:04] <weuxel> And the major securrity issue in C ;-)
[13:04] <flaushy> segfaults :) how you will love them ^^
[13:04] <techman2> lol
[13:04] <Ticho> in all positions :>
[13:05] <flaushy> and for no and all reasons ^^
[13:05] <Hourd> ssshhhhh thats a painfull sentance
[13:05] <Hourd> "seg fault"
[13:05] * Hourd shudders
[13:06] <cousteau> Is there a page or something where I can stalk the ETA of the first batch of RPi B people bought?
[13:06] <flaushy> in the forum there is a thread
[13:06] <techman2> cousteau: pinned update thread in general discussion forum is the place.
[13:07] <cousteau> ok, thanks
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[13:09] <cousteau> It'd have been hilarious that RPi delayed its release a month
[13:09] <cousteau> (or advanced it 11, whatever)
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[13:11] <techman2> er?
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[13:13] <techman2> not following, cousteau
[13:13] <cousteau> like, "april 1st: RPi finally released. Jokes on you, it wasn't an April Fools!"
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[13:13] <fALSO> Hi
[13:13] <techman2> ah
[13:13] <phantoxe> fALSO: hi
[13:14] <fALSO> hi phantoxe
[13:14] <techman2> hi
[13:14] <cousteau> like when Google released Gmail with 2 GB storage when the usual size was 10 MB
[13:14] <fALSO> status on raspberry pi
[13:14] <phantoxe> fALSO: are you enjoing your PI?
[13:14] <cousteau> ...yes, actually it wouldn't be hilarious at all
[13:14] <fALSO> yap
[13:14] <fALSO> its awesome
[13:14] <fALSO> mine arrived today
[13:14] <phantoxe> mine should be arriving
[13:14] <techman2> fALSO: you have a pi?
[13:15] <phantoxe> later in the end of the year
[13:15] <cousteau> cool! just what I wanted to know
[13:15] <fALSO> im from the year 2015
[13:15] <cousteau> so there are already people testing it... now I'll ask if somewhere in my lab was going to buy any
[13:15] <fALSO> the year the raspberry pi started shipping
[13:16] <fALSO> i came from the future
[13:16] <techman2> :P
[13:16] <cousteau> fALSO: are hoverboards controlled by RPis?
[13:17] <fALSO> They are controller by Raspberry Tan
[13:17] <fALSO> and Raspberry Cos
[13:17] <cousteau> have you watched Jaws XIX on your RPi already?
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[13:38] <Hexxeh> has anyone made an ebuild for the raspberry pi kernel yet, or should i do it
[13:38] <Hexxeh> ah, they have, excellent: https://github.com/subwire/raspberrypi-overlay/blob/master/sys-kernel/raspberrypi-sources/raspberrypi-sources-3.1.9-r1.ebuild
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[13:51] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/rp9k2/if_youre_impatient_while_waiting_for_the/
[13:51] <zgreg> this is indeed a better raspberryy pi replacement for "those" people
[13:56] <RaYmAn> people must be expecting to use the rpi for some crazy shit if that is considered a valid replacement.
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[14:00] <Hexxeh> anyone got a link to "bcm2835-libs"? whatever they are
[14:00] <weasel> I got an imx53 instead
[14:00] <zgreg> yes, do have crazy expectations
[14:00] <Hexxeh> link in this ebuild is 404
[14:00] <zgreg> *they
[14:00] <weuxel> That is so not a replacement...
[14:01] <flaushy> o.O that is crazy
[14:02] <Hexxeh> are these libs even available yet? or has this ebuild just been created prospectively?
[14:03] <Hexxeh> i've got an ebuild for the kernel building at the moment
[14:03] <zgreg> Hexxeh, the libraries are available on the raspberry pi github
[14:03] <Hexxeh> ah, so they are. thanks!
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[14:15] <shirro> weasel: what do you thing of the qsb?
[14:16] <weasel> shirro: works for me. :)
[14:16] <weasel> put debian testing onto it
[14:18] <IT_Sean> You lot were right. The new GUI in Ubuntu 12 is abysmally irritating, just for the record
[14:18] * IT_Sean is already writing the Linux Mint 12 installer to a thumbdrive
[14:19] <zgreg> unity is not bad, but it's of course different from traditional desktops
[14:19] <IT_Sean> I don't like it
[14:19] <zgreg> ubuntu 12.04 still ships the traditional gnome-panel and gnome 3
[14:19] <shirro> weasel: yep, I had testing on there, then testing armhf, then tried 3.2 kernels. Have come back full circle to a fresh install of lucid and a hacked 2.6.35 now
[14:20] <IT_Sean> I'm going to try Ubuntu 12 w/ Gnome 3 boefore i install Mint. But, i have a feeling it's getting nuked.
[14:21] <drazyl> IT_Sean got time to waste then :)
[14:21] <techman2> I find xubuntu to be quite solid
[14:22] <zgreg> xfce is still only a bad gnome 2 copy, unfortunately
[14:22] <techman2> I like it
[14:22] <techman2> but my needs are simple.
[14:23] <jzu> I use the "Gnome Classic" interface atm, which is... decent
[14:23] <zgreg> yeah, that's the old gnome-panel
[14:23] <jzu> more or less
[14:24] <zgreg> it's actually improved in some ways, compared to gnome 2
[14:24] <zgreg> the applet placement isn't horribly flaky aas in gnome 2
[14:26] <jzu> one thing that baffles me is Alt-right-click
[14:27] <jzu> instead of right-click
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[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind mint isn't perfect either
[14:40] <Matt> morning
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[14:40] <Matt> IT_Sean: the new gui in ubuntu can be made a lot less annoying with a few little tweaks :)
[14:41] * Matt has 11.10 on his netbook
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[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> on a netbook, unity is almost forgivable.
[14:41] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: quite
[14:42] <piless> is it out yet?
[14:42] <Matt> I think replacing the launcher with docky would probably help, although it does make the whole thing feel very mac
[14:42] <Matt> piless: that answers my question
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[14:43] <piless> Matt: What question?
[14:44] <Matt> "Has piless stopped asking yet?"
[14:45] <piless> Matt: You never asked that question.
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[14:45] <Matt> I didn't have to :)
[14:45] <Matt> you answered it before I had to ask
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[14:47] <piless> Matt: I think you have to press enter after you write your question for people to be able to read and answer it here.
[14:48] <shirro> weasel: do you know of an irc channel for imx users? the imxcommunity site is hopeless
[14:48] <Matt> piless: who said I asked it on IRC yet :)
[14:49] * IT_Sean delays the raspi release by another 3.14 minutes due to piless' incessent "is it out yet?"-ing
[14:49] <piless> Matt: Ooo, I'm honoured that you would refer to me in afk land.
[14:49] <IT_Sean> afk land?
[14:49] <piless> IT_Sean: away from keyboard
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[14:50] <IT_Sean> ooooh... you mean outside #raspberrypi. The meatspace. the real world.
[14:50] <piless> IT_Sean: Yeah.. that place.
[14:51] <piless> Fuuuck the one s looks so pretty
[14:51] <Matt> piless: actually, it was a question that hadn't made it out of my head - don't flatter yourself :)
[14:51] <piless> I want one :(
[14:51] <piless> Matt: Well anyway, I'm glad I'm always at the centre of your thoughts.
[14:52] * IT_Sean reverses the r and e keys on piless' keyboard
[14:53] <piless> Mothrefuckre
[14:54] <Matt> libstdc++5? really?
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[15:01] <Hexxeh> this is interesting
[15:01] <Hexxeh> the kernel is stored on a fat32 first partition, right?
[15:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[15:01] <Hexxeh> which wouldn't normally be mounted whilst the system is running?
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[15:02] <ReggieUK> it can be mounted if you want
[15:02] <Hexxeh> so to update the kernel, you'd have to mount it, swap the kernel, and then unmount it
[15:02] <ReggieUK> yes
[15:02] <ReggieUK> which is trivial
[15:02] <Hexxeh> just trying to create all the ebuilds one might need for raspberry pi gentoo
[15:02] <Hexxeh> i know
[15:02] <ReggieUK> ok, cool :)
[15:02] <Hexxeh> i was just thinking, is that something an ebuild should do, or something you'd expect a user to do
[15:03] <ReggieUK> how do you mean?
[15:03] <Hexxeh> well
[15:03] <Hexxeh> usually if you're running gentll
[15:03] <Hexxeh> *gentoo
[15:03] <Hexxeh> you'd emerge gentoo-sources
[15:03] <Hexxeh> then build and install manually
[15:03] <Hexxeh> but configuring and compiling the kernel is probably a bit daunting for the target audience of the rpi
[15:03] <Hexxeh> so is it a crazy idea to let an ebuild do it for them?
[15:03] <ReggieUK> it's probably not that daunting
[15:04] <shirro> Hexxeh: are you seriously going to build on a Pi?
[15:04] <ReggieUK> and it's partially the point of pi
[15:04] <ReggieUK> lerning2linux
[15:04] <Hexxeh> shirro: this is also another valid point
[15:04] <Hexxeh> shirro: i'm actually setting up a binhost
[15:04] <Hexxeh> so i guess it's not in the spirit of gentoo
[15:04] <shirro> Hexxeh: good - otherwise way to lose new users very quickly
[15:04] <Hexxeh> but maybe a binary kernel ebuild might be a good option..?
[15:04] <ReggieUK> you could always create a bunch of 'standard' defconfigs
[15:05] <Hexxeh> i think there's one already in the rpi kernel repo?
[15:05] <piless> shirro: You could start it off and go on holiday, it might be done compiling when you get back.
[15:05] <ReggieUK> then allow users to pick common configurations
[15:05] <Hexxeh> but updating the kernel isn't quite as simple as make and mv
[15:05] <Hexxeh> you have to build the special rpi kernel image using a python script
[15:05] <ReggieUK> that's the image though isn't it, not the actual kernel?
[15:05] <shirro> building a kernel on an 1Ghz A8 with 1G memory and a SATA drive is barely acceptable with distcc and 4 other boxes doing the compile :-)
[15:05] * Hexxeh reminds me, emerge-armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi -v python
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[15:06] <piless> shirro: Everyones definition of acceptable is different.
[15:07] <piless> Some little kid compiling his first hello world probably wouldn't mind.
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[15:07] <shirro> the pi will be good for begginer projects with a few files of code at most. compiling anything like gnome or jde would be a nightmare.
[15:07] <shirro> kde even
[15:08] <ReggieUK> at the end of the day, if these things are to end up with 'poor' kids, then they're going to have to see it as acceptable, if it's the only 'pc' they have access to
[15:08] <chronofast> Yep, it's perception
[15:09] <shirro> ReggieUK: it is more than acceptable for intended purpose. It isn't ideal for building large projects like a libc or qt5 or kernel
[15:09] <piless> ReggieUK: Meh, maybe the schools will let them cross-compile
[15:09] <ReggieUK> but some of these things are supposed to end up in 3rd world countries too
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[15:09] <chronofast> In 10 years the computers we use will seem antiquated and slow by comparison
[15:09] <piless> ReggieUK: Really? I hadn't heard that.
[15:09] <shirro> really it is up to people to build good images and distros with cross compilation and the kids will mostly just get to sue them unless they want to get into the cross compile game as well
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[15:10] <ReggieUK> either that or it was something I wanted for the pi, piless :D
[15:10] <shirro> use them even. what is with this keyboard
[15:10] <piless> So is the rpi aiming to be the next OLPC?
[15:10] <ReggieUK> well, of course not
[15:10] <fALSO> lol
[15:10] <fALSO> it will be available on the YEAR Of the linux desktop
[15:11] <Matt> ok you lot
[15:11] <fALSO> current_year()+1
[15:11] <piless> fALSO: Fuck that
[15:11] <weasel> shirro: not really, no
[15:11] <shirro> piless: no I think it is deeply hands one, hacky stuff. it just isn't something you want to compile a huge c++ project on.
[15:11] <chronofast> i would love the automatic mesh networking of the olpc on the pi though
[15:11] <Matt> what sort of hardware do you think I was compiling stuff on when I started with linux?
[15:11] <ReggieUK> Matt, indeed
[15:12] <piless> shirro: So, the schools when they buy 30 pies for a classroom they buy a beefy x86_64 server for them to cross-compile to
[15:12] * Matt did frequent kernel compiles on his Cyrix 166+ system
[15:12] <Matt> with 64MB RAM
[15:12] <Matt> hell, I remember compiling QT and KDE on that thing
[15:12] <Hexxeh> piless: or they can use a binary distribution...
[15:12] <Hexxeh> say, oh, I don't know, Fedora?
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[15:13] <Matt> admitadly, all three projects were significantly smaller
[15:13] <Matt> but even so
[15:13] <shirro> piless: possibly. I really don' think kids need to compile projects that big. I would rather see them working on 4k demos
[15:13] <piless> Hexxeh: Which is the current favourite of the foundation?
[15:13] <Hexxeh> piless: exactly...
[15:17] <zgreg> debian, I think
[15:18] <piless> zgreg: They change their minds every 5 minutes about it
[15:18] <Hexxeh> either way, both binary based
[15:18] <zgreg> source based is out of question
[15:18] <zgreg> no way that'll happen
[15:19] <chronofast> Fedora is currently above Debian on distrowatch, not that that matters that much
[15:19] <zgreg> and fedora would be a strange choice, to be honest
[15:19] <shirro> There is a possible argument that Fedora/Redhat fscked up the OLPC as well. Don't really like sugar
[15:20] <zgreg> fedora is a bleeding-edge, fast moving distribution. the foundation wants a stable, long-term standard system.
[15:20] <zgreg> actually the release (fedora 14) the remix is based on, is out of support!
[15:20] <Hexxeh> isn't remix 17 in progress atm?
[15:20] <zgreg> so there will be no official support with security updates, etc.
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[15:21] <zgreg> I don't know, but this would have to be done over and over again
[15:21] <zgreg> I think a particular fedora release is only supported for one year
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[15:22] <shirro> and won't broadcom love producing new binaries every time fedora requires a new kernel feature to work
[15:22] <Hexxeh> the broadcom binaries aren't built against a specific kernel version are they
[15:22] <piless> long-term would be better
[15:23] <piless> upgrading would be a pain in the ass in a classroom environment
[15:23] <shirro> Hexxeh: they aren't in mainline. Are you going to port them and maintain them?
[15:23] <Hexxeh> no, but what i'm saying is it doesn't need broadcom to do that like you suggested
[15:23] <zgreg> the drivers aren't an issue as long as you keep using the same kernel release
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[15:24] <zgreg> that's pretty stupid, but it's typical for embedded
[15:24] <zgreg> some of sony's new android 4.0 phones still use kernel 2.6.32 :D
[15:25] <piless> my phone is on 2.6.35
[15:25] <fALSO> who cares about updates?
[15:26] <fALSO> just sell them, without even existing
[15:26] <steve_rox> seems android phones are plagued by lack of updates etc
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[15:27] <fALSO> the rasp with have the same problem
[15:27] <fALSO> with BLOBS to work
[15:27] <zgreg> the blobs aren't the issue
[15:27] <fALSO> when the linux api changes (almost every release) the binary driver wont work
[15:27] <shirro> My imx is on 2.6.35 and also locked to X server with glx drivers etc. And locked to gstreamer version I guess for all the codecs.
[15:27] <zgreg> the manufacturers are not willing to work on updates, they want to sell new models instead
[15:27] <fALSO> of course
[15:28] <steve_rox> not very smart of them :-P
[15:28] <zgreg> it seems to work out well, I think, sadly
[15:28] <zer0her0> that's been the issue w/ cell phones since forever
[15:29] <zer0her0> Apple is the only company that really seemed to change how updates work.
[15:29] <steve_rox> i guess thats the reason im not too interested in smart phones
[15:29] <zgreg> but there are still many android phones that have/had good upgradabiliy
[15:29] <shirro> it isn't just the blobs. they add a lot of unmaintainable code to a vendor fork that never makes it into mainline and likely would never be accepted
[15:30] <fALSO> that doesnt matter
[15:30] <fALSO> what matters is the hype
[15:30] <fALSO> :-P
[15:30] <zer0her0> zgreg, oh for sure, the Nexus line is great(and what I've used).
[15:31] <zgreg> I have a shitty zte blade and it's very likely I'm going to see cyanogenmod 9 on it
[15:31] <zgreg> originally, it shipped with android 2.1
[15:31] <chronofast> I've personally never had a problem with upgrading my android phones (myself)
[15:31] <shirro> fortunately the Pi is going to be even more disposable than a phone given the price. Just upgrade to the next Broadcom SoC in 18 months after the foundation has created the market
[15:32] <fALSO> yap
[15:32] <fALSO> and wait 2years
[15:32] <fALSO> for it
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[15:32] <shirro> and another year for the community to get drivers and apps working
[15:32] <ReggieUK> look at arduino, that's gone through numerous iterations all still perfectly valid to us4e
[15:32] <chronofast> I wonder if anyone is working on a mineral oil filled case for the pi
[15:33] <fALSO> the thing is that
[15:33] <fALSO> arduino exists
[15:33] <fALSO> i have one,
[15:33] <fALSO> you can buy one
[15:33] <ReggieUK> yawn, are we back to that old chesnut
[15:33] <ukscone> ReggieUK: guess so
[15:33] <ReggieUK> the pi exists, some people have them
[15:34] <fALSO> "some people"
[15:34] <ReggieUK> more people will have them soon enough
[15:34] <shirro> you can buy dozens of devices similar to the Pi. If you want one the only barrier is how serious you are
[15:34] <ReggieUK> and how much they cost
[15:34] <shirro> yep
[15:34] <ReggieUK> I can't afford beagle
[15:34] <ReggieUK> or panda
[15:34] <piless> or sheevaplug
[15:34] <ReggieUK> or that
[15:34] <ukscone> and my cats are expensive too
[15:35] <shirro> ukscone: feed my dog to them. will save us both some money
[15:35] <piless> Can someone buy me a sheevaplug?
[15:35] <chronofast> I wonder if the prices on beagle/panda/etc will drop because of the pi?
[15:35] <ReggieUK> my dad is buying me the pi
[15:35] <piless> chronofast: nope
[15:35] <fALSO> for christmas
[15:35] <ReggieUK> no, because he loves me
[15:35] <ReggieUK> it's not just jesus!
[15:36] <chronofast> either price or sales will fall, it's their choice
[15:36] <shirro> birthday is less than a week. it is going to happen.
[15:36] <piless> christmas has got jack shit to do with christmas
[15:36] <piless> *Jesus
[15:36] <chronofast> yep, that's why i celebrate christmas and i'm not christian
[15:37] <chronofast> because they are two different things
[15:37] <shirro> the pi is restricted in capability. people will still pay more for better features.
[15:37] <ReggieUK> I@m not christian and I don't celebrate christmas
[15:38] <ReggieUK> some people will shirro but I'm guessing that a lot of peoples motivation for buying one will be price as well
[15:38] <ReggieUK> like arduino
[15:38] <ReggieUK> there are better boards out there......
[15:38] <chronofast> shirro once we have a reliable bridge to daughter boards/shields/etc than any feature we want will be there
[15:38] <piless> ReggieUK: the pie has the best bang for your buck
[15:38] <ReggieUK> gertboard seems to be getting there as a bridge
[15:38] <ReggieUK> it's certainly exposing 'stuff' for other people to springboard off
[15:39] <zgreg> cheap x86 atom boards have more bang
[15:39] <ReggieUK> like the latest video ditches spi
[15:39] <shirro> I am looking at the USB OTG port on the imx and thinking what a great accessory it might make for a Pi
[15:39] <ReggieUK> but he leaves the code in the demo app
[15:39] <ReggieUK> I can see lots of specific little bobs for the pi emerging
[15:39] <chronofast> would it be possible to attach another usb connection through the gpio?
[15:40] <piless> zgreg: Is that taking into considering all the other costs for an x86 atom board?
[15:40] <ReggieUK> ooooh, not sure on that
[15:40] <IT_Sean> USB via GPIO?
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Tha'd be hairy, at best.
[15:40] <zgreg> piless: yes
[15:40] <piless> zgreg: link?
[15:40] <zgreg> piless: what other costs, btw? apart from a ram module, the situation is similar
[15:40] <chronofast> if it is possible that would open up quite a bit of possibilities
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[15:40] <piless> zgreg: Do they come with a psu?
[15:40] <zgreg> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[15:40] <fALSO> lol
[15:40] <fALSO> no psu
[15:41] <fALSO> no box
[15:41] <fALSO> nothing
[15:41] <phantoxe> NO BOARD
[15:41] <fALSO> ahh... no networking
[15:41] <phantoxe> LOL
[15:41] <fALSO> LOL
[15:41] <IT_Sean> No, it's got Networking (the B does, anyway)
[15:41] <zgreg> piless: this board does not require an ATX psu, a simple 12V wall-wart will do
[15:41] <IT_Sean> But the raspi does not come with a case, psu, or etc...
[15:42] <Hexxeh> it's significantly bigger
[15:42] <Hexxeh> and arguably less durable
[15:42] <ReggieUK> I've been saving margerine tubs
[15:42] <zgreg> it's bigger, yes
[15:42] <ReggieUK> for pi cases
[15:42] <zgreg> but it also provides MUCH more connectivity
[15:42] <zgreg> it's more expensive, yes
[15:42] <zgreg> but it's also MUCH, MUCH faster
[15:42] <piless> ReggieUK: Why the fuck are you eating margerine?
[15:43] <ReggieUK> couldn't think of another name for non dairy spreads
[15:43] <piless> That stuff is foul
[15:43] <drazyl> zgreg it's just a PC tho
[15:43] <zgreg> drazyl: what's your point?
[15:43] <piless> zgreg: What are the dimensions of the one you linked?
[15:43] <drazyl> so it's not really any different from any other small pc motherboard
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[15:44] <Hexxeh> probably much higher power consumption too
[15:44] <zgreg> drazyl: yeah, but that won't matter for the people that want the pi to do a practical task (like HTPC)
[15:44] <zgreg> Hexxeh: not that much higher, actually
[15:44] <drazyl> zgreg yes but they are all confused
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[15:45] <zgreg> the board certainly provides more performance per watt than the pi
[15:45] <drazyl> no chance
[15:45] <zgreg> the pi is not particularly power efficient due to linear regulators
[15:45] <drazyl> the moment you slap a psu on that it'll be nice and inefficient
[15:45] <zgreg> why?
[15:46] <zgreg> this does not use ATX power
[15:46] <Hexxeh> over 30w according to the datasheet
[15:46] <Hexxeh> isn't the pi like less than 2w?
[15:46] <Hexxeh> so is it really 15x more powerful?
[15:46] <zgreg> the cpu? yes, 15x is a good estimate
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[15:46] <zgreg> plus, 30W includes power for HDDs, etc.
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Isn't the raspi CPU basically equicelent in power to an old pent deuce?
[15:47] <Hexxeh> exactly, but the 2w for the pi incldues it's storage too
[15:47] <zgreg> the maximum power consumption, with HDDs, USB ports loaded, and so on, is 30W
[15:47] <zgreg> the board alone consumes about 10W
[15:47] <zgreg> much less at idle
[15:47] <zgreg> Hexxeh: if you use a USB HDD? no
[15:47] <Hexxeh> if you use an SD card
[15:48] <Hexxeh> as most people will
[15:48] <zgreg> you can of course also use cheap flash media, in the form of mSATA SSDs, with the intel board
[15:48] <Hexxeh> it's irrelevant though
[15:48] <Hexxeh> for ??25
[15:48] <Hexxeh> you can't get anywhere near the pi
[15:49] <mkopack> Hey gang
[15:49] <Hexxeh> with all factors taken into account
[15:49] <zgreg> yeah, but that's not my point
[15:49] <zgreg> many people have crazy ideas and expectations the pi will never fullfill
[15:49] <Hexxeh> hey mkopack
[15:49] <zgreg> they're much better off with this intel board
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[15:49] <piless> meh, If I had the money for an mini-itx board then I would be buying a sheevaplug anyway
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[15:49] <mkopack> yeah, it's looking like the RPi will ALWAYS use 700ma, even when it's idling??? thanks to the power setup they went with. It can't ever really draw less when throttled down
[15:50] <chronofast> Raspberry Pi delayed further due to CE mark requirement : http://vr-zone.com/articles/raspberry-pi-delayed-further-due-to-ce-mark-requirement/15426.html
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[15:50] <piless> mkopack: wow really? that sucks
[15:50] <IT_Sean> there will be sooooo many disapointed buyers, the ones who DIDN'T read the spec sheet, when the raspi shipps
[15:50] <zgreg> indeed
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[15:50] * IT_Sean is not looking forward to that :p
[15:50] * drazyl is
[15:50] <piless> I'm disappointed already.. And I've already bought the box I'm going to put it in :(
[15:50] <zgreg> or they did read the spec sheet, but expected performance similar to an x86 at 700 MHz
[15:51] <zgreg> or they expected video decode acceleration to magically work
[15:51] <mkopack> The linear regulator just constantly pulls 700ma??? If the rest of the circuitry is only using 200ma, doesn't matter, the linear regs draw 700
[15:51] <IT_Sean> exactly.
[15:51] <zgreg> et cetera
[15:51] <mkopack> Did you guys see the "performance" page on the wiki?
[15:51] <zgreg> mkopack: you're confusing voltage and current
[15:51] <zgreg> mkopack: of course!
[15:51] <mkopack> Some pretty substantial performance differences when things are compiled with different compiler switches for the FP
[15:51] <piless> Is it unreasonable to assume the same performance of my phone? a 600mhz armv6 with an andreno200 gpu?
[15:52] <zgreg> piless: that's reasonable
[15:52] <mkopack> zgreg: No, it's ALWAYS 5V regardless. but the linear regulators constantly draw 700ma from my understanding
[15:52] <zgreg> piless: but you're probably running android on the phone, not a desktop linux
[15:52] <shirro> much better than andreno 200 i think
[15:52] <zgreg> mkopack: then your understanding is wrong
[15:52] <mkopack> Ok, explain it to me then :)
[15:52] <piless> Although my phone has double the ram of the pi
[15:52] <chronofast> I'd be fine if it ran old console emulators, I think that's possible, just need to figure out what hid controller will interface with it via usb
[15:53] <chronofast> or bluetooth i guess
[15:53] <zgreg> linear regulators are sort of variable resistor, and they always convert the excess voltage between input and output into heat
[15:53] <ReggieUK> wiimote
[15:53] <chronofast> not quite enough of buttons on the wiimote
[15:53] <zgreg> they do not affect the current flow
[15:53] <mkopack> right
[15:53] <chronofast> not enough to play snes games anyway
[15:53] <ReggieUK> I'm using one to control a digital photoframe
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[15:54] <piless> chronofast: the ps3 controller is bluetooth isn't it?
[15:54] <zgreg> but, if you're regulating from 5V to 3.3V, the 1.7V excess will be completely converted to heat
[15:54] <shirro> piless: i am typing this on an a8 with a adreno200 (actually amd z430 - same diff) and it seems ok for video playback but gl demos I have seen don't look great
[15:54] <chronofast> yep, it is, but will there be drivers to support the ps3 controller?
[15:54] <chronofast> im guessing no
[15:54] <chronofast> unless it defaults to hid
[15:54] <zgreg> so depending on the current, you're going to make a nice heater, or not
[15:54] <ReggieUK> if there are drivers in linux then you just have to compile them
[15:54] <piless> chronofast: People have gotten the ps3 controllers to work with android
[15:55] <mkopack> Hmm.. I guess I misunderstood what was being said about the power draw in the forums then. They seemed to make it sound like the linear regs were causing the current draw ro never go below 700ma even when the RPi was basically idle, and the linear regs were pretty inefficient and were the root cause of that
[15:55] <chronofast> ill have to look into that, the idea i had was to rip apart the controller (whatever it may be) and retool it to be a pushbutton arcade interface
[15:55] <ReggieUK> linear regs are inneficient for sure
[15:55] <mkopack> Right nd the CPU and most of the peripherals on the board run at the 3.3V, only the USB really goes at 5V
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[15:55] <zgreg> the CPU runs at 1.8V
[15:56] <ReggieUK> chronofast, sounds like a reasonable idea
[15:56] <zgreg> so it's VERY inefficient
[15:56] <mkopack> Ah, even worse!
[15:56] <ReggieUK> 360 controller would do too, if there are linux drivers
[15:56] <piless> ReggieUK: What protocol does the 360 controller use for wireless though>
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[15:56] <shirro> it isn't the only regulator though is it.
[15:57] <ReggieUK> got to say, wiimote is good for simple stuff but even with doom it's a struggle to get a decent button map
[15:57] <chronofast> this is the plan: http://hackaday.com/2012/01/03/arcade-controller-will-give-you-button-envy/
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[15:57] <ReggieUK> not sure on the 360, it's not too important on the protocol, it's just the dongle you need
[15:57] <piless> I don't think the 360 controllers are bluetooth
[15:57] <mkopack> 360 doesn't use standard BT (unfrotunately)
[15:57] <ReggieUK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Controller
[15:57] <mkopack> PS3 and Wii do
[15:58] <mkopack> Also, looks like the next round of XBox+PS consoles will be x86 based??? That might spell the end of gaming on the PC.
[15:58] <ReggieUK> I take it you're aware that you can pull the 'ring of death' board from a dead xbox360 and connect it to a PC?
[15:58] <piless> mkopack: AHAHAHA
[15:58] <chronofast> either way hopefully the pi will make one hell of a retro arcade
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[15:59] <piless> mkopack: They've been saying that for years and been proven wrong again and again, especially with the success of services like steam
[15:59] <drazyl> mkopack if consoles are x86 surely it makes porting in either direction easier
[15:59] <piless> isn't the 360 x86?
[15:59] <drazyl> no
[15:59] <mkopack> No
[16:00] <mkopack> PowerPC
[16:00] <piless> What is it then?
[16:00] <piless> Oooh
[16:00] <drazyl> what he said
[16:00] <ReggieUK> they want us away from PCs I reckon
[16:00] <piless> ReggieUK: There are rumours that steam are going to build their own console.
[16:00] <chronofast> x86 with strictly online downloads of games all with dlc, I think I'm just too old for this to sound like a good thing
[16:00] <mkopack> They want to ditch PC gaming - it's much harder to support because of all the variations in PC setups. And piracy is more of a problem in the PC world
[16:00] <drazyl> it also removes a layer of obscurity from the consoles which might not help the console manufacturers
[16:01] <mkopack> Anyhow, just thought it was interesting.
[16:01] <piofcube> the original xbox was x86 based... 99% of it was
[16:01] <mkopack> I wish they'd go to a modular upgrade format...
[16:01] <zgreg> mkopack: they tried that in the 90s
[16:01] <chronofast> why go modular when the masses are willing to buy new and not upgrade?
[16:01] <piless> mkopack: The consoles are holding back development.. They have to dumb down the graphics so much to get a decent framerate for the current consoles
[16:01] <zgreg> it didn't work out
[16:01] <mkopack> So instead of totally throwing out your PS-Xbox unit after 5 years, instead you buy the "Turbo Graphics Accelerator" module
[16:02] <mkopack> There's only 1, and games can choose to use it or not???
[16:02] <haltdef> that's already a thing
[16:02] <haltdef> it's called a PC
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[16:02] <ReggieUK> indeecx
[16:02] <mkopack> Yeah, but make it more standardized.
[16:02] <ReggieUK> blergh
[16:02] <ReggieUK> indeed*
[16:02] <drazyl> then a 3rd part produces the uber-TGA and it all gets confusing again
[16:02] <zgreg> it doesn't work, mkopack
[16:02] <piless> Weren't these addon-packs proven to be a financial disaster?
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[16:03] <zgreg> yes, sega completely failed with this, and nintendo also
[16:03] <mkopack> The big problem with PC's is Did Johnny buy a top of the line NVidia or ATI card, or did they get a mid-stream one, or a low end one? Gotta make the game work on all of them. What if they have 4GB RAM or 6GB or 8GB?
[16:03] <drazyl> if you need an add-on to play the game it either makes the game expensive (include the add on) or gives you an even smaller market share
[16:03] <mkopack> etc.
[16:03] <piless> drazyl: they would have to bundle it with the game
[16:03] <drazyl> piless yup but then your uber game costs ??150 and no-one cares
[16:03] <chronofast> ive read that the ps4/x720 will both be running ati cards
[16:04] <piless> mkopack: No, that's what min req are for.
[16:04] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/02/03/reclaim-the-wireless-controller-module-from-a-broken-xbox-360/
[16:04] <piless> chronofast: They rebranded the card line to amd
[16:04] <mkopack> Just seems to me it would extend the investment in the platform longer if the main unit could be expanded with a manufacturer standard expansion/update unit maybe 5 years into the product lifecycle.
[16:04] <chronofast> well yea, again, i'm old
[16:05] <mkopack> Of course, considering how little I've actually used my consoles in the last 2 years I don't know why I'm even worrying...
[16:05] <piless> mkopack: 5 years is too long to keep a console around imo.. Graphics capabilities on pc are advancing much faster than that
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[16:05] <chronofast> yep, 1/2" of dust on my ps3
[16:05] <mkopack> I have all 3 units??? My Xbox Live account expired at the end of the year and I have no intention of renewing it.
[16:06] <mkopack> I haven't turned on the PS3 in months, except to stream a movie off my HTPC+Drobo
[16:06] <chronofast> (that's where i store all my extra dust)
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[16:06] <piless> mkopack: Make sure you actually cancel it because microsoft has a nasty habit of setting it for auto-renew without telling you.,
[16:06] <mkopack> And my Wii hasn't been turned on since last spring when I was doing WiiFit
[16:06] <mkopack> Nope, no auto renew :)
[16:06] <mkopack> I do it with the XBox Live cards only
[16:06] <Matt> our wii gets plenty of use
[16:06] <Matt> primarily for netflix :)
[16:07] <mkopack> hell, I barely have time to play games on my PC anymore
[16:07] <piless> look what happened to hddvd for microsoft.. that addon drive was such a disaster
[16:07] <mkopack> Last 2 games played - Supreme Commander 2, last week for the first time in 6 months, and before that was BF3 for about 120 hours over last fall.
[16:07] <zgreg> I don't think the consoles are holding back anything. we don't need technical innovation, we need gameplay innovation.
[16:08] <mkopack> piless: YEs, but that's because it wasn't required for any of the games to play, and people held back on buying the movies because there were 2 competing standards
[16:08] <chronofast> xbox 360 controller --> kernel module for linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xbox360Controller
[16:08] <mkopack> zgreg: agreed??? The great thing about those games back in the 80's was -grpahics sucked, but the game play was great. It was more about good game mechanics and using your imagination.
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[16:09] <chronofast> We need fun, what the hell happened to all the fun?
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[16:10] <mkopack> There's been such a push for "realism" that it's taken away from "fun / whimsical" game play
[16:10] <chronofast> yep, exactly
[16:10] <piless> skyrim was fun
[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> will it run on a RPi?
[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> jk...
[16:11] <Matt> mkopack: quite
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[16:12] <chronofast> adventure for my old atari 2600 was sooo much fun
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[16:13] * Tachyon` looks at chronofast
[16:13] <mkopack> Yeah???. although once you learned it it was the same every time
[16:13] <mkopack> I used to be able to solve that entire thing in like 2 minutes flat
[16:13] <chronofast> and why did you keep solving it?
[16:13] <mkopack> hehe
[16:13] <mkopack> to see how quick I could do it
[16:14] <mkopack> The ones they did near the end??? oh WTF were they called???. we QUITE hard actually
[16:14] <chronofast> red dragons?
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[16:15] <mkopack> No, crap??? I keep wanting to say Earthquest, Firequest, etc.
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[16:16] <mkopack> SwordQuest series
[16:16] <mkopack> that's it
[16:16] <mkopack> I never did figure those out. The challenges on those were TOUGH
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[16:31] <Hexxeh> crossdevving with gentoo is so much faster and more bearable with SSD RAID
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[17:00] <Hexxeh> uh
[17:00] <Hexxeh> these farnell preorder links
[17:00] <Hexxeh> shouldn't they be one-time-use only?
[17:00] <Hexxeh> because this one still works and allows multiple orders...
[17:01] <CuriosTiger> They probably just submit an email to some poor person
[17:01] <CuriosTiger> ghetto-style
[17:01] <Hexxeh> well it takes CC info
[17:01] <Hexxeh> so i hope not
[17:01] <CuriosTiger> heh
[17:02] <Hexxeh> http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/?verify=288c42bcea213b1e2f2c65bd0006ff11 for anyone who wants to order
[17:02] <CuriosTiger> if their system is REALLY good, perhaps my order will now be charged to your CC on file. :)
[17:02] <Hexxeh> it's not my link
[17:02] <mkopack> hehe
[17:02] <Hexxeh> :)
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[17:03] <piless> is it out yet?
[17:03] <mkopack> Going to be interesting to see how they deal with the order of "expressing interest" vs those of us who found the direct order link and used that to already put in orders???
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[17:05] <phantoxe> LOL
[17:05] <Hexxeh> anyone actually managed to order via that link btw?
[17:05] <Hexxeh> i already ordered one on release day
[17:05] <phantoxe> be patient
[17:05] <Hexxeh> just thought someone might find it useful
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[17:05] <phantoxe> in a couple of MONTH's you'll have your board
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[17:05] <phantoxe> *hopefully*
[17:05] <Hexxeh> i dunno
[17:05] <Hexxeh> i reckon maybe within the month
[17:05] <Hexxeh> if all they're waiting on is CE testing
[17:05] <Space_Man> piless: any day now
[17:05] <Hexxeh> and the boards with them ready to be shipped
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[17:07] <piless> look
[17:07] <piless> there is no ce testing
[17:07] <mkopack> ?
[17:07] <piless> you're all so fucking gullible
[17:07] <mkopack> why do you say that piless
[17:08] <piless> because it's a scam
[17:08] <It_sean> He says that because he is a troll
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[17:08] <CuriosTiger> a scam where they refuse to take your money? Interesting twist.
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[17:08] <It_sean> Piless, stop being a troll
[17:08] <drazyl> no, piless is right, there are no pi's and everyone (except me) should cancel their orders!
[17:09] <chronofast> did you read the one review on newark, funny stuff
[17:09] <mkopack> chronofast: link?
[17:09] <chronofast> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/raspberry-pi-model-b-board-only/dp/83T1943
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[17:10] <chronofast> yep, he bought like 8 of them and built a space pirate ship
[17:11] <piless> If we cancel all our orders now, the foundation will be forced to own up to their actions
[17:11] <mkopack> LOL, "the 5G LTE Wifi Blu-tooth Jesus network in poor areas of the country"
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[17:12] <mkopack> holy CRAP their SD cards are EXPENISVE there!!!!
[17:12] <mkopack> 32 GB Class 4 - $183!!!!!
[17:12] <mkopack> I only paid $18 for a 16GB class 6!!!
[17:13] <piless> mkopack: It could be actually 32gb instead of something like 28
[17:13] <chronofast> they have an 8 GB for $32, still a rip
[17:13] <mkopack> seriously??? WTF?
[17:13] <mkopack> That's highway robbery
[17:13] <chronofast> did you verify the speed of the class 6 yet, if so put up a link and i'll buy one
[17:14] <piless> ReggieUK: http://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/rquma/the_pillars_of_creation_through_my_6_compared_to/
[17:14] <chronofast> i've been burnt by buying sd cards from ebay when a class 10 is in reality a class 2
[17:14] <mkopack> I just go up the street to Fry's and buy right there??? Large assortment of cards from different brands all with good prices
[17:14] <Hexxeh> what's wrong with amazon
[17:15] <chronofast> nothing, but it's nice to have verification of quality prior to purchase
[17:15] <mkopack> Chrono: I used the disk performance stuff inside of Ubunutu's disk tools??? It was getting ~20MB/s
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[17:16] <mkopack> Those were on the 2 I bought from new egg.com
[17:16] <mkopack> let me find the links to those
[17:16] <zgreg> read performance is largely the same with all non-dogdy SD cards
[17:16] <chronofast> non-dogdy is the key though
[17:16] <zgreg> heh
[17:16] <Hexxeh> ms pro duo used to be really bad for that
[17:17] <mkopack> the key is buy name brands from reliable sources??? Ebay is scammer city.
[17:17] <zgreg> and you won't get more than about 20 MB/s
[17:17] <Hexxeh> tbf even stuff bought in retail can be dodgy
[17:17] <zgreg> that's the limit of the SD interface
[17:17] <chronofast> as i've learned
[17:17] <mkopack> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220254
[17:17] <mkopack> I got 2 of those
[17:17] <chronofast> nice, almost down to $1 a gig, that's a great price
[17:17] <mkopack> Yup
[17:18] <chronofast> they recently had a 90 GB ocz vertex 3 ssd on newegg for $1 a GB, soo tempted
[17:19] <piless> zgreg: Are SDs still limited to 20MB/s in pro dslrs?
[17:19] <Hexxeh> i wonder if farnell have actually checked whether the wifi dongles they're listing as accessories will actually work on ARM
[17:19] <zgreg> the new UHS (SD 3.0) interface can do more, up to 104 MB/s
[17:19] <Hexxeh> fyi you can get 8GB UHS-I cards off of Amazon for like ??7
[17:19] <mkopack> Hexxeh: hehe doubtful
[17:19] <zgreg> but support for that is very spotty
[17:20] <Hexxeh> i've got one here waiting for my Pi
[17:20] <zgreg> apparently the SoC in the pi *can* do UHS speeds in theory
[17:20] <Hexxeh> reminds me, I should pop it out it's packet and benchmark it
[17:20] <zgreg> but, we don't know if the implementation on the pi is capable of it, and whether it's supported by drivers
[17:20] <Hexxeh> zgreg: i think somebody tested one on the forums
[17:20] <zgreg> UHS requires 1.8V signalling
[17:20] <Hexxeh> i remember seeing a post with benchmarks for them
[17:21] <mkopack> Well, 104 MB/s would be NICE, for sure??? I'm using those patriots in my Pandaboard ES right now and they work, but you can tell there's some bottlenecks at times
[17:21] <zgreg> that's the key feature the pi needs to support on the SD socket to make UHS work, I guess
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[17:21] <Hexxeh> here's the card: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005FQLMYW
[17:21] <chronofast> what are uhs-i speeds?
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[17:22] <chronofast> wikipedia: UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01,[37] support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original Default Speed), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s. UHS-I cards declared as UHS104 also support a clock frequency of 208 MHz, which could transfer 104 MB/s. UHS-I is the only class for which products are currently available.[39]
[17:24] <mkopack> Wel, even 50MB/s would be a huge improvement over the 20MB we get now
[17:25] <zgreg> it won't help that much, though
[17:25] <zgreg> the real bottleneck is random writes, and they do not improve at all with faster interface speeds
[17:26] <zgreg> what the pi needs is an SD card with a capable controller, like in an SSD
[17:26] <zgreg> some of the very expensive sandisk SD cards are pretty good at random writes, supposedly
[17:26] <Hexxeh> hmm
[17:26] <Hexxeh> getting 8MB/s write to this card
[17:27] <Hexxeh> not sure if this iMac even supports UHS-I though
[17:27] <zgreg> some of the very expensive sandisk SD cards are pretty good at random writes, supposedly
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[17:27] <chronofast> sure, they have to be able to capture dslr bursting
[17:28] <Matt> what would help was if the world hadn't standardised on a flash disk format with a 4-bit interface
[17:28] <chronofast> Hexxeh: any better results with multiple tests?
[17:29] <Hexxeh> using some Mac SD card benchmark tool instead of DD now
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[17:29] <Hexxeh> 6.4MB/s write, 19.1MB/s read
[17:29] <Hexxeh> that's kinda crap
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[17:30] <zgreg> UHS is a very new thing
[17:30] <chronofast> ~20MB/s isn't horrible
[17:30] <zgreg> your machine likely does not support it
[17:30] <chronofast> it also might be the reader
[17:30] <Hexxeh> using the built in reader on my iMac
[17:30] <zgreg> how old is that mac?
[17:30] <Hexxeh> late 2010
[17:31] <chronofast> have you benched other sd cards with that reader? good consistant results?
[17:31] <zgreg> no chance it supports UHS
[17:31] <Hexxeh> i don't actually have any other SD cards handy
[17:31] <Hexxeh> they have a bad habit of dying on me
[17:31] <zgreg> UHS only was specified in mid-2010
[17:32] <Hexxeh> any way to check?
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[17:32] <zgreg> if UHS is supported?
[17:32] <Hexxeh> yeah
[17:32] <zgreg> if your mac is from late 2010, there is no need to check
[17:32] <zgreg> it does not support UHS
[17:32] <Thorn_> dont listen to him
[17:32] <Thorn_> it does
[17:32] <chronofast> ha
[17:32] <Hexxeh> hmm
[17:32] <Hexxeh> this is the newest machine i have
[17:33] <Hexxeh> i've got a couple Macbook Airs from a similar era
[17:33] <Hexxeh> mid 2011 chromebook
[17:33] <chronofast> the chromebook might, no?
[17:33] <Hexxeh> pineview reference design basically isn't it?
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[17:35] <chronofast> pouring through page after page of results on ddg is returning nothing
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[17:56] <Hexxeh> can someone let me know if http://radium.hexxeh.net works?
[17:56] <Hexxeh> changed the address it points to, you should see 1 folder if it's pointing at the new server
[17:57] <ukscone> ';K
[17:57] <ukscone> ;MBGVS
[17:57] <chronofast> http://radium.hexxeh.net/armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/
[17:57] <Hexxeh> chronofast: yeah, that all you see?
[17:57] <Hexxeh> not three folders?
[17:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> just the hardfloat directory
[17:58] <Hexxeh> awesome
[17:58] <chronofast> single folder --> multiple folders
[17:58] <Hexxeh> yep, good
[17:58] <Hexxeh> moved to a new SSD hexa-core server
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[17:58] <chronofast> http://radium.hexxeh.net/armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/app-admin/ etc
[17:58] <Hexxeh> yeah cool
[17:58] <Hexxeh> anyone feel free to help yourself to hardfloat raspi packages btw
[17:59] <Hexxeh> just emerging python and deps atm
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[18:01] <chronofast> I think once we all receive our boards that will be very popular
[18:01] <Hexxeh> if it becomes so popular it gets slow i'll rysnc and load balance
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[18:01] <Hexxeh> i've been collecting servers for a while, finally finding uses for them :P
[18:01] <Hexxeh> happy to provide hosting to other raspi distros too
[18:02] <wjoe> I haven't been paying much attention to recent developments around here. is this for a gentoo based pi distro?
[18:03] <Hexxeh> it's amazing the difference SSDs make to how fast emerge runs
[18:03] <piless> wjoe: gentoo won't work on the pi
[18:03] <Hexxeh> wjoe: yeah, anything gentoo-based really
[18:03] <Hexxeh> i'm setting up a binhost to make chromiumos image builds faster
[18:03] <Hexxeh> but it'll work for gentoo too
[18:04] <wjoe> chromiumos uses emerge? or am I completely misunderstanding. fairly likely
[18:04] <mkopack> Hexxeh: so I take it you were able to get Gentoo working with hard float and all that stuff?
[18:04] <Hexxeh> yep
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[18:04] <mkopack> awesome!
[18:04] <Hexxeh> wjoe: it's build sytem does
[18:05] <wjoe> interesting
[18:05] <mkopack> You going to post a build/image for that somewhere?
[18:05] <Hexxeh> wjoe: but a device image doesn't
[18:05] <Hexxeh> mkopack: for chromium os?
[18:05] <Hexxeh> or gentoo
[18:05] <mkopack> gentoo
[18:05] <Hexxeh> uhh, i'd have to spin in image up
[18:05] <Hexxeh> eventually, sure
[18:05] <mkopack> ah, k
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[18:05] <Hexxeh> it's not difficult
[18:05] <mkopack> excellent
[18:05] <haltdef> are you compiling *every* gentoo package for the pi?
[18:05] <Hexxeh> cross compiling some packages is a pain though
[18:06] <mkopack> Well, still a bit outside my experience level. I finally managed to get a simple x86 Gentoo install running.
[18:06] <Hexxeh> haltdef: some aren't appropriate
[18:06] <mkopack> inside a VM
[18:06] <Hexxeh> haltdef: i'm compiling everything that a chromium os image needs
[18:06] <Hexxeh> but i'll happily take requests for stuff to be added
[18:06] <Hexxeh> and then of course they'll all be kept up to date by emerging world regularly
[18:06] <haltdef> didn't know portage even supported binary distribution
[18:06] <mkopack> I can imagine??? just having to build ROS for the Pandaboard took the better part of a whole night.
[18:06] <Hexxeh> yup
[18:07] <wjoe> shows what I know, I didn't think chrom(ium) OS even had any sort of build system, thought it was all web based
[18:07] <Hexxeh> wjoe: the finished image doesn't, the finished image is just the browser, but the build environment is gentoo based
[18:07] <Hexxeh> it's odd actually
[18:07] <Hexxeh> you can only build it on debian/ubuntu
[18:07] <Hexxeh> but it then installs a gentoo chroot to build in
[18:07] * Hexxeh shrug
[18:07] <wjoe> ahh right, odd
[18:08] <haltdef> crossdev is fairly epic
[18:08] <Hexxeh> it really is
[18:09] <Hexxeh> when it works
[18:09] <Hexxeh> when it fails, it's a pita
[18:09] <haltdef> oh yea
[18:09] <haltdef> mipsel :P
[18:09] <Hexxeh> i've not tried to use it with some of the more exotic architectures, only arm, but i imagine it gets more hellish :P
[18:10] <haltdef> once I'd dug up some documentation that told me which versions cooperate together it was fine
[18:10] <haltdef> making software run on a router was a whole different thing :P
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[18:11] <Hexxeh> hmm, odd
[18:12] <Hexxeh> appears that the python ebuilds in the main set don't cross-compile, but the chromiumos-overlay ones do
[18:13] <mkopack> Argh, what's the apt-get command that will give you a list of packages containing say "java" ?
[18:13] <mkopack> I need to install OpenJDK but I can't remember the name of the damn package
[18:13] <haltdef> apt-cache search java
[18:13] <drazyl> apt-cache search
[18:14] <mkopack> Thanks
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[18:15] <haltdef> still using ubuntu on your panda?
[18:15] <mkopack> yeah, for now
[18:15] <mkopack> trying to get something working to show off at the Robotics club meeting this weekend
[18:15] <piless> mkopack: stick windows on it already
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[18:17] <mkopack> halt: what are you runnig again?
[18:18] <haltdef> debian
[18:18] <mkopack> trying to get the Openni-Kinect stuff working so I can demo that off the Panda at the meeting. I think that would make for an impressive demo
[18:18] <chronofast> aww I was so close to buying a panda board but for that price I just opted for a mini-itx amd e350 board
[18:19] <piless> chronofast: for that amount of money I would go x86 over arm any day.
[18:20] <piless> But for ??30? Fuck it.. why not?
[18:20] <aditsu> is it out yet?
[18:20] <mkopack> My biggest headache with the Panda is just that things are in constant flux with it???
[18:20] <piless> is it out yet?
[18:20] <mkopack> Drivers, Kernel, etc. and I'm nowhere near good enough with Linux to know how to get past all those to get a nice stable system.
[18:21] <Hexxeh> somebody name a WM you'd use under gentoo that's lightweight enough for pi?
[18:21] <mkopack> So I kinda need to stick to the prebuilt images
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[18:21] <piless> mkopack: Piss on it, you've got to assert alpha dominance over it. So it knows who's in control.
[18:21] <mkopack> LXDE seems pretty light. OpenBox as well
[18:21] <chronofast> just looked on digikey panda board: $182.00
[18:21] <Hexxeh> okay, LXDE compiling now
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[18:21] <mkopack> but I found LXDE pretty nice.. Easy to config
[18:21] <Hexxeh> also, cross compile toolchain available at the URL posted earlier
[18:22] <Hexxeh> good if you don't want to have to compile it yourself (hint, it takes a bloody long time)
[18:22] <mkopack> I really need a good book on how to leaner how to do all this stuff in linux
[18:22] <piless> chronofast: Yeah the ??30 was refering to the pi
[18:22] <chronofast> ohh i know
[18:23] <piless> mkopack: you should have just bought another sheevaplug instead of the panda so your first sheevaplug doesn't get lonely
[18:23] <mkopack> lol
[18:24] <mkopack> It's sitting in my laundry closet quietly acting as a video monitoring system, :)
[18:24] <piless> mkopack: stick some facial recognition on it
[18:24] <piless> mkopack: then get it to unlock your door if it sees you
[18:25] <mkopack> nah
[18:25] <piless> yes
[18:25] <mkopack> It's just so I can check in on the dog during the day
[18:25] <mkopack> or when I'm away
[18:25] <piless> Did you ever get the webview working?
[18:25] <ReggieUK> piless, I've just seen that pillars of creation link you posted
[18:25] <ReggieUK> meh
[18:26] <ReggieUK> looks like he needs to try a tad harder :D
[18:26] <piless> Oh well
[18:26] <ReggieUK> looks like his guiding was a bit off
[18:26] <piless> Still cool though
[18:26] <ReggieUK> can't remember the last time i saw a non round star ;)
[18:28] <mkopack> piless: yes, but since I haven't had a chance to lock down the web server and such, I decided to keep it behind my firewall so I can only get to it via back2Mac to my Mac Pro and then opening the web page to the Sheeva from there...
[18:28] <piless> I want to spy on your doggy :(
[18:28] <mkopack> If I ever get some free time to learn how to lock down the web server on there well, then I might put it on directly.
[18:28] <ReggieUK> http://stargazerslounge.com/2198515-post12.html
[18:28] <mkopack> I just don't have a lot of time to go crazy trying to fight the script kiddie hackers
[18:29] <piless> love the colouring on the 2nd one
[18:29] <mkopack> Reggie: nice!
[18:30] <ReggieUK> not mine!
[18:30] <ReggieUK> I wish they were
[18:30] <mkopack> either way!
[18:30] <mkopack> of course, lots of false-color stuff there with enhancements and such. Makes you wonder what it REALLY would look like if you could see it in person at that sort of resolution/size
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[18:31] <Hexxeh> how odd
[18:31] <ReggieUK> I'm not comfortable with the name false colour
[18:31] <Hexxeh> the chromium ebuild is x86/amd64 only
[18:32] <Hexxeh> !?
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[18:32] <piless> lol
[18:32] <mkopack> well, "enhanced color"
[18:32] <ReggieUK> as they're using filters to gather specific 'colours' of light for specific elements
[18:32] <piless> if it's not exactly how your eyes would see it then it's a false representation
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[18:35] <Hexxeh> phew
[18:35] <Hexxeh> glibc built
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[18:36] <mkopack> That's a major hurdle in itself! :)
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[18:38] <mkopack> Oh this thing is pissing me off majorly??? now it requires doxygen??? grr
[18:38] <mkopack> never ending trial and error here
[18:39] <piless> piss on it
[18:40] <mkopack> I would, but it's 40 miles away at home :)
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[18:41] <piless> get your significant other to piss on it then.
[18:43] <mkopack> WHAT S.O.? LOL
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[18:43] <piless> the hooters girl then
[18:43] <mkopack> If I had an S.O., do you think I'd have the disposable income to buy toys like the Pandaboard ES? LOL
[18:44] <haltdef> I just dropped ??550 on a monitor
[18:44] <haltdef> ????
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[18:44] <mkopack> OUCH!
[18:44] <mkopack> What size???
[18:44] <haltdef> 27"
[18:44] <mkopack> yokes
[18:44] <haltdef> will be my first non-TN
[18:44] <Hexxeh> IPS?
[18:44] <haltdef> I moved my 27" tv onto my computer desk to see if it'd be too big
[18:44] <haltdef> not only is it not too big, it's fuckig amazing
[18:45] <haltdef> only 1080p though, this is 2560x1440 IPS
[18:45] <mkopack> hehe there IS something to be said for size :)
[18:45] <mkopack> I refuse to work on anything < 24" and if I can get more than one, all the better
[18:45] <Hexxeh> wonder if that's the same panel as the 27" iMac one
[18:45] <mkopack> My desktop at home has a 24" Dell with a 20" on either side of it
[18:45] <haltdef> the 27" tv is actually a monitor, I replaced it with a smaller 3d one ages back
[18:46] <haltdef> bored of 3d and want a decent monitor, cheapo ones I've always had have always had one problem or another
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[18:56] <piless> 3d is a load of bullshit
[18:57] <piless> the only good thing it ever did was for 2-player games
[18:57] <chronofast> at work i'm running 2 27" asus monitors, i think they were $250 each, great for graphics intensive work
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[18:58] <haltdef> it can be very nice for games
[18:58] <piless> chronofast: what did you use for the colour calibration
[18:58] <haltdef> crosstalk totally kills it for higher contract scenes though
[18:59] <chronofast> color isn't quite an issue as I do petro-chem design on them, who cares if the red layer is really red, but how crisp the line work is really matters
[19:00] <piless> ah
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[19:02] <mkopack> ok, since this is STILL installing I'm going to run to get some food. BBIAB
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[19:25] <Justanick> Does anybody know, if it save to push ~2,5A over the 5V traces on the pcb?
[19:25] <piless> yes
[19:26] <piless> just spritz a little water onto it first to improve the conductivity.
[19:26] <Justanick> I'm not joking. I know that I have to remove the fuse
[19:27] <piless> Neither am I
[19:27] <haltdef> if you have to remove a fuse to accomplish soemthing I think it's a fair assumption that it's not safe
[19:28] <piless> Oh I didn't realise you wanted it to be safe.
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[19:29] <mjr> probably nobody is going to reassure you very much that it's safe, because they don't want the responsibility
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[19:29] <Justanick> The problem may be the traces on the pcb. With the height and width they have a rated current
[19:30] <piless> Justanick: Don't worry about what the rating says, they are way too overprotective with these ratings.
[19:31] <Justanick> I'm not searching for responsibility person, if it bricks. But with the facts of the trace I have an idea if it will work or destroy the Pi on long term usage
[19:31] <piless> Justanick: Look mate, if you sat around worrying about this stuff you will never get anything done. Just do it.
[19:32] <jamesglanville> just keep upping the current until you detect any warmth from the traces, then that's a bit higher than the current you should use
[19:32] <jamesglanville> there'll be a big window of it getting hot without breaking anything
[19:32] <ReggieUK> how are you trying to push 2.5a across the 5v?
[19:32] <Justanick> Yes, this may be.
[19:33] <ReggieUK> not sure I follow how you're going to do that
[19:33] <Hexxeh> This begs the question, why on earth do you want to do that?
[19:33] * mjr assumes that high-drain USB devices would be involved
[19:33] <mpthompson> Justanick: When you ask if it's safe, do you mean for you or the Pi?
[19:33] <piless> Hexxeh: Because, why not?
[19:33] <Justanick> For the pi ;)
[19:33] <ReggieUK> if you can elaborate a bit more then people might be able to answer your question with a little more authoratae
[19:33] <mjr> it _would_ be handy to support high power USB devices without a separate powered hub, so I can see the allure
[19:34] <piless> Do the water thing, I guarantee you results.
[19:34] <mpthompson> I honestly would not plan on pushing 2.5 amps through the RPi. Are you trying to recharge an iPad?
[19:34] <Justanick> The Pi should be use with to external USB 2,5" drives
[19:34] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: That'd only be 1A
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[19:34] <Justanick> Both HDDstogethet a pulling more thann 0,5A aon spin on
[19:35] <Justanick> Both HDDs together a pulling more than 0,5A on spin on
[19:35] <Justanick> + the pi itself.
[19:35] <Justanick> Both HDDs together a pulling more than 1A on spin on
[19:36] <Justanick> Each throw more than 0,5A
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[19:36] <haltdef> time to bring your expectations of this thing back in line with reality I think
[19:37] <mpthompson> Even on PC's it's a dicey proposition to for a single USB port to power a hard drive. That is why many of the USB hard drives have Y connectors that allow them to be plugged into two USB ports.
[19:38] <piless> mpthompson: a lot of 2.5 have no problem being powered off 500ma, especially the newer ones
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[19:40] <mpthompson> I do it myself, but it putting two on the RPi? Sure it may work, but will it work all the time? If it's just for messing around, go for it. If it's something you want to work all the time and depend upon, it's not something you'll want to do.
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[19:40] <mkopack> Holy hell, it's STILL going.. geesh
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[19:41] <Justanick> mpthompson: Should be run nearly 24h/365d
[19:42] <Justanick> If 2,5A to much for the PCB I will chosse an other way.
[19:43] <Justanick> Just want to have an idea, if it possible or a killer for the pi.
[19:44] <mkopack> BTW, you CAN directly power the RPI through the GPIO pins, there is ZERO proaction on that 5V pin, but I sure wouldn't try what you're saying??? Good chance of things going pop
[19:44] <mkopack> see - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/powering-the-pi-via-the-expansion-port
[19:46] <mpthompson> Justanick: If you can get an answer on the widths and copper weight for the 5V traces: http://www.armisteadtechnologies.com/trace.shtml
[19:47] <piless> mkopack: And look at the bottom post... Another mod.. even though it's gert.. moaning about reposts
[19:47] <mkopack> Well, he has a point??? No reason to rehash the same stuff over and over in 16+ threads
[19:48] <mkopack> 1,000,000th photo from the ISS taken...
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[19:49] <mkopack> I swear, it really is turning into a race between who will launch first, SpaceX or RPi!
[19:51] <piless> what is spacex?
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[19:53] <mkopack> www.spacex.com
[19:53] <mkopack> commercial rocket company.
[19:53] <mkopack> Elon Musk's rocket co
[19:53] <mkopack> They have one of the 2 US contracts for resupply for the ISS
[19:53] <piless> mkopack: Did you know there's a campaign on at the moment to double NASAs budget on the whitehouse's website.
[19:53] <mkopack> They have their second test flight of their supply ship due to launch around the end of april, early may
[19:54] <mkopack> double of nothing is still nothing!
[19:54] <ReggieUK> too many real world issues need sorting for nasa to have new toys unfortunately
[19:54] <mkopack> People act like we spend SO much on NASA, when in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the bucket of the overall US Budget
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[19:55] <mkopack> and it causes a LOT of trickle down economics, and tech development
[19:55] <ReggieUK> kind of
[19:55] <piless> ReggieUK: You mean spending most of their budget on unnecessary wars?
[19:55] <ReggieUK> but we're still arsing around with the same silicon slightly revised each year
[19:55] <ReggieUK> piless, that too
[19:56] <mkopack> I'd rather we spend the $1B, using that to buy hardware and pay engineers, which employs people at companies to BUILD hardware, and the engineers have income to buy goods and services in their communities which then allows MORE people to have jobs
[19:56] <piless> ReggieUK: Quite a lot of njew tech comes as a result of NASA's R&D
[19:56] <mkopack> The economy near KSC has been DECIMATED since the end of Shuttle
[19:57] <mkopack> if you're looking for a retirement home, the area around KSC is foreclosure city??? Lots of places for sale
[19:57] <ReggieUK> 1. I'm not against money being spent on nasa
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[19:58] <ReggieUK> 2. we like to think we're progressing but in reality it's the same tech junk being slightly refined and sold back to us each year
[19:58] <mkopack> Hell, if I had the money I'd TOTALLY buy a house down there to use as a vacation place
[19:58] <piless> ReggieUK: NASA developed the scratch-proof coating on your glasses.
[19:58] <ReggieUK> 3. if you want to contribute to nasa directly, don't by a new phone this year, send the money to nasa, you'll get new tech out of it, eventually
[19:59] <ReggieUK> do I need to repeat 1. again?
[19:59] <piless> NASA invented memory foam
[19:59] <ReggieUK> so what?
[19:59] <ReggieUK> I haven't questioned their ability
[20:00] <piless> NASA invented cats
[20:01] <mjr> NASA intercepted CATS
[20:01] <mkopack> Kilrathi!
[20:01] <Justanick> mkopack: lol
[20:02] <mjr> no, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Aybabtu.png
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[20:05] <mkopack> Half of NASA's problems is that they report to Congress - a congress who is beyond partisan, plays politics with EVERYTHING and changes it's mind with every election season
[20:05] <mkopack> how the F they get ANYTHING done I don't know
[20:06] <ReggieUK> hence my comment that there are far too many real world problems to give nasa new toys
[20:06] <ReggieUK> like in the uk
[20:06] <ReggieUK> giving aid to india etc.
[20:07] <ReggieUK> cos their economy is obviously doing that badly that they can't look after their own people
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[20:07] <piless> Their caste system is so fucked.
[20:07] <piless> Imagine being a rat catcher, lowest of the low.
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[20:09] <ReggieUK> tbh I don't care about their caste system :)
[20:09] <ReggieUK> I care that we give money to a country that is capable of looking after it's own but just won't
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[20:10] <aditsu> they should just swap the NASA and war budgets - problems solved
[20:11] <piless> ReggieUK: It's more of a matter of corruption.
[20:11] <piless> aditsu: If they did that we'd probably be on mars by next thursday
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[20:12] <Space_Man> and there would be a lot less conflict around the world
[20:13] <aditsu> that would be pretty awesome
[20:13] <piless> Space_Man: You sure? North Korea would have probably have bombed the south by now if it wasn't for all the western countries looking in their direction
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[20:14] <Kostic> I'm outdated... What happened with the North Korea launch?
[20:14] <mkopack> "Go build a new rocket" "Oh, gee that seems pricy, make it cheaper" "Oh, that still seems pricy, make it cheaper" "Still too expensive, go in ESA + Russians" "Ok, this looks ok. Go build it" "Damn, why is this taking so long? We're cutting the budget for it" "Why did the cost go UP when we cut the budget (duh), we're cutting the budget further" "Ok, so you have it 80% built. We're canceling it"
[20:15] <Space_Man> would the Korea's be so divided without western countries interfering?
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[20:16] <mkopack> the problem is that NASA has to play to congress, and congress only cares about getting jobs for their individual districts. So the work has to get spread around as much as possible, which jacks up the costs to an insane level
[20:16] <aditsu> I blame China for the Koreas
[20:17] <mkopack> that's where SpaceX does it better - they build almost everything themselves, in house, they set a price, NASA pays the price. If they fail to delivery, SpaceX takes the hit.
[20:17] <mkopack> So it's on SpaceX to deliver on target on price.
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[20:17] <piless> mkopack: So they're an independent contractor?
[20:18] <mkopack> They're their own company...
[20:18] <aditsu> mkopack: if they fail to deliver, NASA is also left without vehicles
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[20:19] <mkopack> In the past, it's usually been done where NASA comes up with the basic concept - bids out for companies to bid on with their design, NASA chooses one (or one team), and works with the company to develop it. Congress gets a LOT of say in that gov contract
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[20:20] <mkopack> with SpaceX (and their competitor) it's been done where they created their own systems, and gave a fixed price per launch. NASA could take or leave it, or choose how many to buy
[20:20] <mkopack> It was basically the same as the gov buying X pallets full of Toilet Paper.
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[20:21] <mkopack> They can buy brand X or Brand Y and specify how many rolls and what ply, but it's up to the manufacturer to make it and market it and sell it to NASA. And they make their profit on how efficiently they can make the product
[20:21] <aditsu> except toilet paper has been mass produced for a long time and it doesn't have any outstanding technical issues
[20:21] <mkopack> SpaceX is cutting out ALL of the middle man markup BS
[20:22] <mkopack> The problem with the space industry is that for most of the hardware, there are 1, maybe 2 manufacturers that you can buy from. So, you need a guidance system, you either make your own, or you buy from A or B. A and B both have their own profit margins to worry about, which raises the price. IF you build your own, you have the development costs, but after that it's basically just construction costs to reproduce it.
[20:22] <aditsu> speaking of rockets and electronics, ClF3 is a very lovely chemical :)
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[20:23] <mkopack> By cutting out all those middlemen along the way, each with their own profit markups, SPACEX is managing to drastically reduce the overall cost per pound
[20:23] <mkopack> They build it all in house, which means they also drastically reduce the shipping costs of moving parts all over the country.
[20:23] <ReggieUK> space costs seem to rocket though pardon the pun
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[20:23] <ReggieUK> so the original budget for something might triple
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[20:24] <urs> For a spacecraft company, they have a ridiculously small factory.
[20:24] <ReggieUK> that kind of thing puts governments off
[20:24] <mkopack> Because they build it all themselves, they build exactly what they need, not "what's available" that might have more capability than they need. They can control the weight better that way as well
[20:24] <urs> Compared with any government space program.
[20:24] <mkopack> yup
[20:24] <urs> Its basically 3 normal factory halls.
[20:24] <mkopack> In 1 end goes Aluminum, out other end comes rockets
[20:24] <piless> mkopack: You sound like you work for them :P
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[20:25] <mkopack> no, I just am sick of the way the Gov does things??? congress sees everything as a "jobs program" instead of a "get shit done" program
[20:25] <mkopack> and then they BITCH about the cost??? well DUH, they MADE it cost more because of their insistence on spreading the work around in order to gain votes
[20:26] <mkopack> We'd be on Mars by now if it wasn't for Congress
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[20:27] <aditsu> I watched a nice clip about this recently: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-27-2012/neil-degrasse-tyson
[20:28] <mkopack> Yup, competition with the Russians had a LOT to do with the space race. Now that they're basically no longer adversaries, congress doesn't see the point.
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[20:35] <mkopack> aditsu: Great clip!
[20:35] <mkopack> funny, but also VERY true
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[20:36] <aditsu> yeah, he actually talked about doubling NASA's budget, I wonder if that's where it started?
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[20:42] <mkopack> You ask 100 American's what % of the fed budget NASA gets, they will ALL say that it's like 20% or something outrageous like that. When in fact it's 0.5%. When you explain to them what it actually is, they almost universally will say "NO WONDEr we haven't gone anywhere!"
[20:43] <mkopack> The problem is that the American people hear the terms Millions and Billions thrown around and think it's a huge amount of money (which, ok it IS, when you're making 10's of K per year) but compared to the overall budget it's chump change.
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[20:46] <piless> mkopack: Dude, I think you're problem is, is that you're asking americans.
[20:46] <chronofast> Has anyone considered openstack/cloudstack on multiple RPs?
[20:46] <piless> chronofast: Yes, but it won't work, it's too unstable.
[20:47] <chronofast> ahh, that's a shame
[20:47] <piless> trolololo, I am the master of misinformation.
[20:47] <chronofast> I'm guessing someone will still try if not me
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[20:48] <chronofast> It would be quite interesting to have an amazon ec2 type of setup with 20 Pis
[20:48] <piless> chronofast: Waste on money,
[20:48] <piless> Especially with 100mbit ethernet
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[20:49] <haltdef> 20 pis would probably get their ass kicked by a single low end laptop
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[20:51] <mkopack> Yeah, well, American's control the USA's budget (by voting in congress members)
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[20:52] <fragalot> mkopack: that's what they want you to believe :p
[20:52] <mkopack> chrono: Yeah, we've been through all that before???. Except as a "learning device" to try distributed/clustered computing, clustered RPi's make no sense. Just not powerful enough to offset the performance / price ratio
[20:53] <mkopack> especially when you factor in the price of the SD cards, networking switch, network cables, power supplies, etc for all of them
[20:53] <mkopack> one $500 x86 laptop will smoke a cluster of 10 Rpi's
[20:53] <mkopack> which will cost the same amount
[20:53] <mkopack> (or more)
[20:57] <chronofast> do we have benchmarks that prove those assumptions?
[20:58] <mjr> No but it's pretty solid. The ARM on the Pi is slow.
[20:58] <mjr> You don't want to make a cluster of them. It's just silly.
[20:59] <haltdef> I believe the pi's ARM core is roughly comparable to a single core atom at 200mhz
[20:59] <haltdef> it isn't quick
[20:59] <fragalot> mkopack: surely $500 should get you 20 rpi'?
[20:59] <mkopack> Yeah, it's something like a 300Mhz Pentium 2.
[20:59] <chronofast> even taking into account the gpu, if we could do heavy gpu offloading?
[20:59] <mjr> fragalot, not with ethernet interfaces and the extras he mentioned
[20:59] <fragalot> ah.
[21:00] <mkopack> fragalot: How do you figure? RPi is $35. Gonna cost you more than another $15 for SD, Ethernet cable, and PSU
[21:00] <fragalot> nvm :P
[21:00] <haltdef> it's a very good GPU, but it's still a low power embedded GPU :P
[21:00] <mkopack> chrono: IF...
[21:00] <DJWillis> chronofast: don't get your hopes up for that ;).
[21:00] <mjr> if wishes were horses
[21:00] <fragalot> PONIES
[21:00] <mjr> but yeah, even then it wouldn't be that great
[21:00] <chronofast> all true, but it's all conjecture as it stands now
[21:01] <mkopack> chorno" Sure. but the numbers don't lie??? it's just horribly underpowered vs modern machines.
[21:01] <mkopack> When you can get a decent quad core x86 desktop for $500 these days, with 4GB RAM, and a fast hard drive...
[21:02] <mkopack> Let's say it's running at 2.4 Ghz (just to make the math easy)
[21:02] <DJWillis> Anyway, the core target has to be an optemised distro that is built for the SoC from scratch ;). Get all people can out of it and all that. People forget what you can do with a little thinking, considering what people got out of little systems like the GP32 that had nothing more than a 133MHz ARM9 and 8MB I think the RPi can do some funky stuff.
[21:02] <mkopack> 2.4 / we'll see 300 Mhz Pi x86 equiv = 7x faster??? except these are modern x86 cores, not Pentium 2 cores, so it's more like 10x faster
[21:02] <mkopack> And that's just ONE core of a quad
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[21:04] <mkopack> And then add in the additional latency of the RPi's having to xfer data back and forth over the ethernet switch to coordinate processing where the x86 can do it all internally??? And you're going to see even larger difference
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[21:05] <hamitron> mkopack, conclusion been everyone should cancel their order, so you get yours sooner? ;)
[21:05] <mkopack> lol
[21:05] <mkopack> Not like ANYONE is getting them at this point???
[21:06] <hamitron> :/
[21:06] <DJWillis> Just do other things with it ;-), nothing wrong with using it as a cool way to cut your teeth on ARM ASM ;)
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[21:06] <hamitron> DJWillis, all I was actually intending
[21:06] <hamitron> :)
[21:07] <DJWillis> hamitron: already a coder or learning?
[21:07] <mkopack> just saying - clustering a couple RPi's makes sense as a cheap way to learn how to do distributed computing like Beowulf??? But if you're trying to use it to get something done, you're better off just using X86. You'll get done FAR faster and cheaper.
[21:07] <hamitron> everyone is always learning
[21:07] <hamitron> ;/
[21:08] <DJWillis> hamitron: amen to that.
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> clustering raspis is going to be one of those things that is a fun and educational project, but isn't really very useful other than that
[21:08] <hamitron> I would love to learn something about OS development though
[21:08] <mkopack> Oh GD FFS SOB MF GRR!
[21:08] <DJWillis> hamitron: OS dev or OS building? Well in most cases it is a mashup of the 2 ;)
[21:09] <hamitron> bit of everything
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[21:09] <hamitron> there is sooooooooooo much I want to do..... :/
[21:09] <DJWillis> hehe, yep
[21:09] <hamitron> never enough time in life to do everything
[21:10] <hamitron> I got a nice thin client with an x86 cpu for ?8
[21:10] <hamitron> :)
[21:10] <ReggieUK> git
[21:10] <hamitron> got one of them SiS cpu
[21:11] <hamitron> the linux kernel doesn't recognise it, gives a warning, then boots
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[21:12] <DJWillis> hamitron: dmmm, not seen one of those in a long time.
[21:12] <traeak> !w
[21:12] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Tue Apr 3 13:02:00 2012. Temp -1??C. Condition: Light snow, Humidity: 93%, Later 7??C - -2??C. Condition: Snow.
[21:12] <traeak> hmmm....2 days ago it was 30C
[21:12] <traeak> hehe
[21:13] <hamitron> it has 64MB ram and 16MB flash storage
[21:13] <hamitron> :D
[21:13] <hamitron> one of those toys that I haven't got around to playing with much
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[21:13] <hamitron> something I intend to make sure I won't buy the rpi for
[21:14] <DJWillis> Half the fun will be if it gets a strong community, that mass of people can off set many a hardware weekness.
[21:15] <hamitron> yeh
[21:16] <hamitron> although, there is always something cool about taking hardware that is not popular, and working it all out yourself.... kinda like a custom motorbike :D
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[21:18] <mkopack> Ok, this openni_kinect install is pissing me the F off
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[21:20] <IT_Sean> 4/clear
[21:20] <IT_Sean> oops
[21:21] <DJWillis> hamitron: you sound like you know me ;-)
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[21:23] * DJWillis ponders the merit of yet again building OS images without hardware ;)
[21:23] <hamitron> I really can't be bothered atm
[21:23] <hamitron> not even get stuff done I should have done
[21:23] <hamitron> getting*
[21:24] <DJWillis> Yep, that's about the long and short of it
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[21:36] <Hexxeh> this is possibly the worst hack i've ever seen
[21:37] <Hexxeh> symlinked /usr/armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/lib to /build/raspberrypi/lib
[21:37] <Hexxeh> same for usr/lib and usr/include
[21:37] <Hexxeh> i have no idea why this is required
[21:38] <DJWillis> Yuck
[21:38] <Hexxeh> without it
[21:38] <Hexxeh> when you emerge zlib, the libraries go into the folders in /build/raspberrypi
[21:38] <Hexxeh> but subsequent builds can't find them...
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[21:38] <Matt> hello
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[21:42] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: ahhh, the delights of a lack of a full sandbox ;)
[21:44] <mkopack> ok, well, I'm stuck now with this OPenNI install on the Panda.. dammit
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[21:53] <Hexxeh> hmm, asked this before but i don't think anyone suggested a way of doing it
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[21:54] <Hexxeh> is there a way to check if a binary is armv6 or armv7 without running it?
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[21:55] <Dagger2> `file` might tell you
[21:55] <ahven> thinking the same thing
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[21:55] <Hexxeh> python2.6: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped
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[21:56] <thomas_sch> anyone else desperate to order a rp but hasn't got a credit card?any information when paypal will be accepted?
[21:57] <hamitron> I'd hope they try to get out the existing orders, before increasing the options for payment ;)
[21:58] <IT_Sean> Aye... let's let them hash out the existing issues before we start adding complexity
[21:59] <hamitron> does paypal require payments to be made instantly?
[21:59] <Hexxeh> iirc yes it does
[21:59] <hamitron> so probably not something they'll want to accept, until they know when it can be delivered
[21:59] <mkopack> hamitron: My understudying is that RS is set up now to accept paypal
[22:00] <hamitron> so you pay the money to them now, and get it next year?
[22:00] <hamitron> I mean, later this year ;/
[22:00] <hamitron> (easy slip up)
[22:00] <IT_Sean> paypal does instant payments, so, until the device is actually shipping, paypal is probably not high on their priority list
[22:01] <IT_Sean> since they don't want to take the money 'till it actually shipps.
[22:01] <mkopack> Probably, which is why I RARELY use Paypal. Never seen what people think is so great about it. Fine for person to person sales, but I HATE using it for person to business purchases
[22:01] <IT_Sean> I used it to buy my new laptop.
[22:01] <mkopack> Paypal basically holds the money in escrow
[22:01] <mkopack> (and that, and fees is how they make their money)
[22:02] <hamitron> I guess paypal is useful if you have no cards?
[22:02] <DJWillis> PayPal will get REALLY stroppy if the device is not shipped in 45 days (I think it is 45 days, may be less) so no way they will take PayPal until the device is shipping is my guess ;)
[22:03] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[22:03] <Henchman21> ing-direct
[22:03] <Henchman21> :P
[22:04] <hamitron> ing-direct?
[22:04] <Henchman21> online bank
[22:04] <hamitron> what about it?
[22:05] <Henchman21> why is it such a problem for people to have a savings/checking account (most are free)
[22:06] <hamitron> I remember when I was 16/17, I could only have a solo card
[22:06] <hamitron> and nowhere accepted it
[22:07] <hamitron> dunno how it works now, as is different
[22:07] <Hexxeh> you can get visa debit cards at 16 now
[22:07] <Hexxeh> and younger, actually
[22:07] <Hexxeh> i think natwest will give you one even before that
[22:07] <Henchman21> heh
[22:10] <Henchman21> i have enough checking accounts i could probably overdraw as much as i can and run away to live in the jungle
[22:10] <Henchman21> and yes i think about it everyday
[22:10] <hamitron> what good would money be in a jungle?
[22:10] <hamitron> ;)
[22:11] <Henchman21> clothes/plane ticket
[22:11] <DJWillis> How many people in the chan have dev boards?
[22:11] <ReggieUK> for what?
[22:11] <ReggieUK> not sure I'd call them dev boards but I have 3 'device's that I am devving on :D
[22:11] <ReggieUK> that aren't built for devving at all
[22:12] <Matt> hrm, I shall have to listen to this week's amphour
[22:12] <Matt> apparently they talk about the pi briefly again
[22:12] <Matt> "We finally bring up the Raspberry Pi again on our show. But from the skeptical point of view. Will they be able to push out the boards at the price point they stated? ($35) Olimex on ???The Back Shed??? forums lays out a good case against it (via reddit)."\
[22:13] <hamitron> will CE testing cost much?
[22:13] <ReggieUK> btw. do we have an eta on when the ce testing will be done?
[22:13] <Matt> not that anyone seems to have mentioned
[22:13] <Matt> so I'm going with "when it's done"
[22:13] <ReggieUK> I notice in the meantime farnell are pushing other arm dev boards advertising at me
[22:13] <hamitron> hehe
[22:13] <mkopack> DJWillis: Nobody here has any RPi yet
[22:13] <hamitron> why arm?
[22:13] <hamitron> :/
[22:14] <hamitron> a few have rpi don't they?
[22:14] <hamitron> the beta boards
[22:14] <Henchman21> like 10
[22:14] <DJWillis> ReggieUK: RPi early boards and there is my answer ;)
[22:14] <philh> how many of the beta boarders have actually shown up in here?
[22:14] <ReggieUK> perhaps it's vague enough to attract dissatisfied pi people in without p'ing the foundation off?
[22:14] <hamitron> at least 2
[22:14] <mkopack> Matt: I don't know why they think it can't be done at $35.
[22:15] <philh> i've only seen the computing museum guy, myseslf
[22:15] <philh> -f
[22:15] <Matt> mkopack: well I plan to listen to the show on the way home
[22:15] <mkopack> yeah, Andytuk is the only person who's visited here who has had access to a real one, and it's not even really his, he's just had access to it for a couple weeks
[22:15] <Matt> mkopack: unless you have an intrest youself, in which case go ahead and listen to the podcast yourself :)
[22:16] <Matt> http://www.theamphour.com/
[22:16] <mkopack> Matt: Let us know what they say. Where's this "argument" they claim exists for why it's not possible..
[22:16] <DJWillis> mkopack: sort of puts any ideas of testing something to bed until I get my hands on a board ;)
[22:16] <Matt> theamphour is actually rather a good electronics podcast
[22:16] <mkopack> found it
[22:16] <mkopack> DJ: Welcome to the club man
[22:17] <Matt> well once the boards are finally available and shipping, I suspect they'll have some hats to eat :)
[22:17] <DJWillis> mkopack: plenty of other things to work on ;-). Need to do more work on the OpenPandora firmware anyway.
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[22:20] <mkopack> Matt: I'm sorry, but I just looked through that board post that they claim shows that it's not possible to do for the price??? and I don't see anything there substantitive...
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[22:22] <Hexxeh> yay
[22:22] <Hexxeh> chromium os packages mostly buil
[22:23] <Hexxeh> *built
[22:23] <Hexxeh> there's a handful of broken ones, but that's workable
[22:23] <Hexxeh> out of about 450, around 10 broken ones
[22:23] <philh> mkopack, indeed, just sounds like a troll
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[22:32] <Matt> mkopack: that was my thinking :)
[22:32] <Matt> mkopack: I'll let you know what chris and dave have to say on the podcast
[22:32] <Matt> but like I said, I suspect they shall be wrong to be so skeptical
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[22:38] <Matt> mkopack: all I saw on that forum most was that farnell and co would add their handling charge and shipping which would push the cost up
[22:38] <Matt> which as we know from the info from the foundation, isn't the case
[22:38] <Matt> I dunno if anyone has corrected them on that yet, but hey :)
[22:41] <mkopack> And those $20 extra shipping fees ended up getting dropped so that's not even true anymore. there IS a small shipping/handling fee??? but my god people are bitching about $5 on a $35 computer. good god get a grip people
[22:41] <mkopack> don't want to pay it, don't buy it!
[22:43] <hamitron> +1
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[22:43] <piless_> is it out yet?
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[22:43] <hamitron> I just paid ?7 delivery on some plastic that cost me ?4.50 :/
[22:44] <piless_> hamitron: Don't they have any warehouses you could drive to?
[22:44] <hamitron> could have got free delivery at another place, but they charged ?30 for the plastic
[22:44] <hamitron> ;)
[22:44] <hamitron> no
[22:44] <hamitron> well
[22:44] <hamitron> it would cost ?12 in fuel
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[22:45] <Space_Man> if you can find any fuel :P
[22:45] <hamitron> maybe more, that is assuming there is some of what I want in Hull
[22:45] <hamitron> ;D
[22:45] <hamitron> indeed
[22:47] <mkopack> I guess we're not getting an update on the CE testing today...
[22:48] <hamitron> good in some ways
[22:48] <hamitron> everyone who has important stuff to do, won't be distracted by the arrival of their r-pi
[22:48] <hamitron> ;)
[22:48] <hamitron> heck, delay till after the exam period
[22:49] <hamitron> "r-pi *educational* device blamed for lower grades to last year"
[22:49] <mkopack> Apparently they booked a WEEK of tsp chamber time...
[22:49] <mkopack> test
[22:50] <mkopack> Sounds like we won't get an update on the testing until the end of the week
[22:50] <hamitron> is there actually any question of it not getting the CE mark?
[22:51] <mkopack> ham: well, it failed the first time around (just barely) because of 1) a cheap HDMI cable that wasn't well shielded/grounded and 2) because they had the HDMI port misconfigured such that it was overdriving the port and and blasting out RFI
[22:51] <mkopack> They said that they're pretty sure just doing the configuration fix would get them a 10 db drop in noise and that would be enough to pss
[22:51] <hamitron> oh
[22:51] <mkopack> pass
[22:52] <hamitron> :/
[22:52] <hamitron> morale of the story, get them made in china and get them sold from china
[22:52] <hamitron> ?
[22:52] <hamitron> ;)
[22:53] <mkopack> so, unless the damn thing catches on fire spontaneously, or the chinese did such a horrible solder job that the ethernet ports and such aren't making good connections and producing noise because of it, we should be good to go
[22:54] <hamitron> you shouldn't joke about something like the Chinese build quality :-o
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[22:55] <hamitron> 10,000 faulty units will hit ebay? and sell for more than they were intending to
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[22:56] <mkopack> Man, I wish there was a IRC channel for ROS.. Grrr
[22:57] <hamitron> ROS?
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[22:57] <hamitron> realtime?
[22:57] <mkopack> Robot OS
[22:58] <mkopack> I'm banging my head on a problem getting the Openni-kinect package for it installed from source o my Pandaboard
[22:58] <mkopack> and I just ran across another post from somebody else stuck at the exact same point I am
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[22:58] <hamitron> :/
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[23:00] <piless_> mkopack: try usenet
[23:01] <mkopack> hehe been so long since I've been on there I don't even know how to get on!
[23:01] <piless_> mkopack: google groups is usenet
[23:01] <mkopack> I posted to their question system, so maybe somebody will answer
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[23:02] <hamitron> piless_, what is your normal name.... I keep wondering if your current name is based on "pi less" or "piles"
[23:02] <piless_> hamitron: a bit from column A and bit from column B.
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[23:04] <hamitron> you should get priority rpi shipping to break your nickname :)
[23:05] <piless_> Definitely.
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[23:11] <traeak> i thought piless mean piles of s....
[23:11] <traeak> meant even
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[23:11] <hamitron> hehe
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[23:14] <piless> is it out yet?
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[23:15] <hamitron> all 10" of it
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[23:15] <mkopack> Is the black model 14" ?lol
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[23:16] <hamitron> I don't have that model
[23:16] <piless> mkopack: THAT'S SUCH A STEREOTYPE
[23:16] <hamitron> :/
[23:16] <mkopack> Agreed
[23:16] <piless> mkopack: GET OUT YOU RACIST
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[23:17] <hamitron> tbh, historically there could be a need, as females of their race do have rather round rear ends
[23:17] <hamitron> ;/
[23:17] <mkopack> agreed.
[23:18] <hamitron> but I don't know genetics
[23:18] <mkopack> I don't get why guys seem to want a woman with a big butt??? No thanks. I prefer tiny little tight ones...
[23:18] <hamitron> and not gonna pretend to
[23:18] <hamitron> ;D
[23:18] <piless> big butts cannot lie
[23:18] <hamitron> tbh, a big butt has never talked to me
[23:18] <hamitron> :/
[23:19] <hamitron> or a small one
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[23:20] <piless> never?
[23:21] <hamitron> well, sometimes flapped its cheeks
[23:21] <hamitron> but never had meaningful audio from one
[23:21] <hamitron> ;)
[23:23] <piless> hmm
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[23:26] <piless> hmm
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[23:30] <johnLAPACHE> SHIPPED
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[23:31] <hamitron> lies!
[23:32] <piless> hamitron: Mine shipped yesterday
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[23:32] <hamitron> oh :)
[23:32] <hamitron> nice
[23:32] <hamitron> what is eta then?
[23:33] <piless> 2-5 working days
[23:34] <piless> they're probably just going to be shipping via bog standard royal mail
[23:35] <hamitron> before the price hike
[23:35] <hamitron> :D
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[23:47] <MattPhone> Boo
[23:48] <piless> hoo
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[23:48] <MattPhone> No pi foryou :)
[23:48] <mkopack> ok, I'm out. Later gang!
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[23:49] <MattPhone> Toodles
[23:52] <DJWillis> Does anybody know exactly what is in first32k.bin and where the source of it is?
[23:52] <_av500_> source?
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Isn't that the initial bootloader blob for the GPU?
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> So no source.
[23:54] <piless> DJWillis: Do you have tits?
[23:55] <piless> DJWillis: If you do, you could always go flash 'em at a broadcom executive to see if they'll give you the source.
[23:55] <piless> DJWillis: Otherwise, I don't know.
[23:55] <piless> DJWillis: But tits are usually the answer to most things.
[23:55] <_av500_> no tits last time I saw him
[23:55] <DJWillis> ;)
[23:55] <Travenin> manboobs
[23:56] <piless> Travenin: The technical term is moobs
[23:56] <DJWillis> Maybe
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[23:57] <_av500_> DJWillis: the arm is just an appendix to the GPU
[23:57] <DJWillis> Anyway, trying to unpick this soup (and lack of clear license stuff ;-)), so the close elf loads closed code that is appended to the 1st 32k of the uncompressed kernel image, joy oh joy ;).
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[23:57] <_av500_> so this bin boots the GPU which eventually boots the arm
[23:57] <piless> _av500_: I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!
[23:58] <DJWillis> _av500_: yep, noticed that. Did cause me a WTF moment coming from SoC's with the GPU grafted on ;)
[23:58] <_av500_> DJWillis: well, time for a change :)
[23:58] <mjr> yeah it does that to everybody
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[23:59] <DJWillis> _av500_: hehe, just working out a basic OE layer for the board just to make it easy enough to build images but I really want to abstact all the crud out of the way so it spits out an SD image ready to go. Got most of it going.

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