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IRC Log for 2012-04-13

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[0:00] <flaushy> what are your wishes [deXter]
[0:00] <[deXter]> because by the time the current crop is shipped to everyone and is available, it'll already be outdated
[0:00] <piless> [deXter]: a model with intergrated wiki would be cool
[0:00] <piless> *wifi
[0:00] <[deXter]> Yeah piless, that will be sweet. :)
[0:01] <[deXter]> flaushy, I was thinking something along the lines of the AllWinner A10 SoC
[0:01] <mkopack> It IS already outdated :)
[0:01] <[deXter]> ^ :P
[0:01] <mkopack> the ONLY thing going for it is the price
[0:01] <hamitron> [deXter], isn't it already "outdated"? ;)
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[0:01] <hamitron> mkopack, beat me to it
[0:01] <hamitron> :/
[0:01] <piless> Wouldn't it just fuck over all the early adopters to switch to armv7?
[0:01] * hamitron does some warm-up exercises for his fingers
[0:02] <hamitron> piless, indeed, they really have to stick with this for at least 2 years imo
[0:02] <hamitron> ideally 10
[0:02] <mkopack> They won't move away from this architecture for a while??? They can't get the Armv7 chips cheap enough to meet the $35 price target that they wanted to make it widely available for schools
[0:02] <piless> sarcasm?
[0:02] <flaushy> sounds ok
[0:02] <mkopack> Well, at least 3 I would think...
[0:03] <hamitron> end of the day, the current model does everything a school needs?
[0:03] <mkopack> but then they run the risk of the C-64 / C-128 syndrome - Why buy a C-128 when nobody writes software for the 128 because there's a huge market for c64 software, and c=128 runs c64 stuff?
[0:03] <hamitron> in my day, we had a 555 chip for the advanced stuff ;)
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[0:04] <[deXter]> 555, nice. :)
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[0:08] <ReggieUK> I'd be happy to buy a model A
[0:08] * hamitron is just happy
[0:08] <hamitron> ;/
[0:09] <ReggieUK> that's the spiwit!
[0:09] <mkopack> ok, I'm out. time to head home??? Later gang!
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[0:09] <ReggieUK> laters
[0:10] * hamitron just got out of bed
[0:10] <hamitron> working shifts ;)
[0:10] <ReggieUK> nice
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[1:02] <danieldaniel> Ok, I got it reactivated
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[1:03] <danieldaniel> And you know what
[1:03] <danieldaniel> I'm gonna buy a third one
[1:03] <danieldaniel> LOL
[1:03] <flaushy> cool
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[1:08] <danieldaniel> Bought
[1:08] <danieldaniel> :D
[1:09] <hamitron> 3rd what?
[1:09] <danieldaniel> Third RPI
[1:09] <danieldaniel> XD
[1:10] <hamitron> what you gonna do if there is a new fault found, that will be fixed in a new revision next year? ;)
[1:10] <danieldaniel> i'll be very very VERY sad
[1:11] <aditsu> you'll be a sad, SAD panda?
[1:11] <danieldaniel> aditsu: NO.
[1:11] <hamitron> no, raspberry
[1:11] <hamitron> ;)
[1:11] <ReggieUK> depends what the fault is
[1:11] <danieldaniel> aditsu: Get off of my lawn. Now.
[1:12] <ReggieUK> I@m happy to take a hot air nozzle to more or less anything
[1:12] * danieldaniel ragequit's
[1:12] <ReggieUK> except explosives
[1:12] <ReggieUK> and flammables
[1:12] <hamitron> ReggieUK, indeed... I'm thinking something small that does not make it unfit for purpose, in most peoples eyes.... but does for him
[1:12] <danieldaniel> ReggieUK: Because I totally don't have uranium in my house
[1:12] <hamitron> ;D
[1:12] <ReggieUK> and skin
[1:12] <danieldaniel> *looks away*
[1:12] <danieldaniel> i have these little uranium marbles
[1:12] <danieldaniel> and an ore
[1:12] <ReggieUK> oooh I bet you feel really special
[1:13] <danieldaniel> they glow
[1:13] <danieldaniel> :D
[1:13] <ReggieUK> ooooh extra special
[1:13] <ReggieUK> are they good with lasers too?
[1:13] <danieldaniel> http://imgur.com/vve90
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[1:14] <ReggieUK> awesome a blurry bag with a inkjet radiation sticker on it
[1:14] <danieldaniel> let me take them out
[1:14] <danieldaniel> one sec
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[1:17] <danieldaniel> I'm scared to take it out
[1:17] <danieldaniel> D:
[1:17] <danieldaniel> btw, I got them from unitednuclear.com
[1:17] <danieldaniel> omg, *gets geiger counter from upstairs*
[1:20] <aditsu> uranium is good for you, try it with cheese
[1:20] <danieldaniel> I lost my geiger counter
[1:20] <danieldaniel> :(
[1:21] <danieldaniel> aditsu: Nou
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[1:21] <hamitron> too spicy? ;)
[1:21] <hamitron> repeats badly with the body the day after
[1:21] <aditsu> in the absence of a geiger counter, stick them to your skin and see how long it takes till the red spots appear, then you can calculate how radioactive they are
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[1:22] <danieldaniel> aditsu: That is my new forum signature
[1:22] <danieldaniel> Like, starting in two seconds
[1:23] <aditsu> cool :)
[1:23] <aditsu> did you know that banana is a measurement unit for radioactivity?
[1:24] <aditsu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose
[1:24] <danieldaniel> coolbeans
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[1:33] <piless> you can get geiger counters on your phones now
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[1:34] <aditsu> they must be popular in Japan
[1:34] <piless> aditsu: They actually work
[1:34] <piless> They use the noise level that is produced on the imaging sensor
[1:35] <hamitron> haha
[1:36] <hamitron> knowing the Japs, the way they take pics on their phones when something bad happens
[1:36] <hamitron> they'll be testing that function if there ever is a nuclear explosion ;)
[1:36] <piless> hamitron: Bad taste man
[1:37] <hamitron> so is taking pics in situations like that
[1:37] <hamitron> ;/
[1:37] <piless> hamitron: It's only been almost 67 years, give it some more time
[1:38] <hamitron> mind you, a lot of brits are as bad
[1:38] <piless> I am a brit
[1:38] <hamitron> me 2
[1:38] <hamitron> ;/
[1:38] <piless> I was being serious about the app though.
[1:38] <hamitron> I helped a guy who was knocked down by a car.....
[1:39] <hamitron> and most just filmed it on their phone
[1:39] <hamitron> THAT is bad taste imo
[1:40] <piless> hamitron: That's probably partly due to the bystander effect, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
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[1:40] <hamitron> well, I helped
[1:40] <hamitron> ;/
[1:40] <piless> hamitron: Glad to hear it!
[1:41] <aditsu> hamitron++
[1:41] <piless> hamitron: Is there something in your eye?
[1:41] <piless> hamitron: Because you keep winking at me.
[1:41] <ReggieUK> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/125885-the-first-universal-quantum-network-built-in-germany
[1:41] <hamitron> but I had to direct traffic around the guy alone, and then take over the emergency call because his mate didn't speak English
[1:42] <hamitron> haha ;D
[1:42] <piless> ReggieUK: Don't trust zee germans
[1:42] <ReggieUK> there's nothing wrong with germans
[1:42] <ReggieUK> all the crappy ones are dead
[1:42] <hamitron> just nothing right either
[1:42] <hamitron> ;/
[1:42] <piless> 99.8% failure rate?
[1:43] <piless> Why haven't RS sent me anything? :(
[1:43] <hamitron> :/
[1:43] <piless> I'm sure I registered my interest :(
[1:44] <ReggieUK> piless, I was just thinking that, is it a win or did someone just get lucky a few times
[1:45] <ReggieUK> perhaps it's 100% right but we're not in 99.8% of the alternate universes to catch teh qubits?
[1:46] <ReggieUK> zero latency over any distance seems a bit of a bold claim too
[1:46] <ReggieUK> cos that would seem to break the law of relativity
[1:46] <piless> Perhaps they never did, and the 0.2% sucess rate was actual due to erroneous sensor data because bill didn't plug the usb cable in all the way
[1:46] <ReggieUK> via the speed of light
[1:47] <ReggieUK> or hdmi noise from a faulty beta dev board?
[1:47] <piless> OR WHAT
[1:47] <hamitron> the r-pi helped fix it!
[1:47] <hamitron> ;)
[1:47] <piless> the rpi will cause the heat-death of the universe
[1:48] <piless> stop winking at me hamitron. It's freaking me out
[1:49] <Da|Mummy> ;|
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[1:49] <hamitron> sorry man
[1:49] <hamitron> always do it :/
[1:50] <piless> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ab1_1334253751
[1:50] <hamitron> This site was categorized in: Movies, Video sharing, Adult Themes, Lingerie/Bikini
[1:50] <hamitron> damn, knew I was missing out with this filter
[1:50] <hamitron> ;)
[1:51] <hamitron> oops
[1:51] * hamitron scratches the winkey
[1:51] <hamitron> actually, that just sounds dirty
[1:51] * hamitron stops winking
[1:52] <piless> are you coming onto me?
[1:52] <hamitron> well, are you female and good looking?
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[1:53] <hamitron> reply=FALSE; if(piless_answer) reply=TRUE;
[1:54] <piless> You decide, http://i.imgur.com/OsfDD.jpg
[1:54] <hamitron> is that safe to click? :|
[1:54] * hamitron risks it
[1:55] <aditsu> piless: darwin award candidates? (re first link)
[1:55] <piless> aditsu: Nah, there is no bottom on the barrels
[1:55] <hamitron> hell yeh, just not a fan of the colour of the frame of your glasses ;/
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[1:56] <piless> hamitron: What's wrong with them?
[1:56] <hamitron> I think a rounder lense may help too
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[2:02] <hamitron> this is an interesting alternative to the rpi http://www.maplin.co.uk/7inch-yarvik-touchscreen-internet-tablet-android-2.3-612443?ordercode=B72NN&C=Email-Newsletter&U=12P4-6-B72NN&T=468531&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=B72NN&utm_campaign=12P4-6
[2:02] <piless> no
[2:02] <piless> fuck maplin
[2:02] <piless> and no
[2:02] <hamitron> haha
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[2:03] <hamitron> well, it is probably better value, if you want some of the features and android
[2:03] <hamitron> :)
[2:03] <piless> And android 2.3 for a fucking tablet?? Are you fucking kidding me??
[2:03] <piless> They didn't even start doing a tablet UI until android 3
[2:03] <hamitron> ?71 isn't bad
[2:03] <piless> and even then the amount of tablet apps for android sucks
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[2:04] <hamitron> well, I was thinking for video or something
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[2:04] <piless> This is coming from an android user, you're going to get much better value for money and better overall package from an ipad than an any of the current android tablets
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[2:05] <piless> fuck wiiguy and his fucking quit message
[2:05] <hamitron> I'm not
[2:05] <hamitron> not getting either ;)
[2:05] <Da|Mummy> lol@apple being value for money
[2:05] <piless> Da|Mummy: I'm being serious, have you checked any of the "decent" android table prices?
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[2:05] <hamitron> ipad is 6 times as much?
[2:05] <piless> Da|Mummy: They ain't exactly cheap
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[2:06] <piless> You're better off getting a 2nd ipad
[2:06] <piless> *2nd gen
[2:06] <piless> &tablet not table
[2:06] <hamitron> personally, I can't see myself using a tablet
[2:06] <hamitron> :/
[2:06] <piless> hamitron: Precisely, they are purely for content consumption.
[2:07] <hamitron> in fact, a phone either.... unless I can connect a real pc and type on it
[2:07] <piless> hamitron: They're not like a desktop or a laptop whereas they are good for content creation aswell
[2:07] <Da|Mummy> motorolla xoom, for $330
[2:07] <Da|Mummy> ipads are like what, $1900?
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[2:07] <hamitron> I use my tv for content consumption :/
[2:07] <piless> Da|Mummy: $400 for an ipad2
[2:08] <hamitron> I got a question for you piless
[2:08] <Da|Mummy> do headphones work on ipad?
[2:08] <hamitron> would you get:
[2:08] <hamitron> 1) ipad2
[2:08] <hamitron> or
[2:08] <hamitron> 2) motorolla xoom + r-pi
[2:09] <hamitron> although, for $330, I'd get a laptop myself
[2:09] <aditsu> if I had to choose between an ipad and a pi for the same price, I'd get a pi
[2:09] * hamitron wouldn't
[2:09] <hamitron> haha
[2:09] <Da|Mummy> btw, that $330 xoom was 32gb, ipad2 16gb for $400
[2:09] <aditsu> (excluding the option to resell it)
[2:09] <hamitron> I could sell the ipad and get more r-pi
[2:09] <hamitron> bah!
[2:09] <piless> Da|Mummy: the xoom is shit
[2:10] <Da|Mummy> likely best android tablet
[2:10] <piless> Da|Mummy: a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 is $500
[2:10] <Da|Mummy> oh yay, samsung might beat it
[2:10] <hamitron> dunno what samsung execs were smoking when they thought that up
[2:10] <hamitron> the price :/
[2:10] <aditsu> if I had to choose between a pi and an android tablet though, I'd choose the tablet (unless it's chinese crap)
[2:11] <piless> the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime is $500
[2:11] <hamitron> isn't the pi chinese crap?
[2:11] <hamitron> ;)
[2:11] <piless> hamitron: everything is chinese crap
[2:12] <aditsu> hamitron: no, it's not designed by the chinese
[2:12] <hamitron> the Asus Eee Pad looks interesting to me
[2:12] <hamitron> nor is most stuff
[2:12] <piless> the highest quality stuff is made in japan/korea, and then taiwan and then china
[2:12] <hamitron> they take ideas and make them cheap
[2:13] <aditsu> I'm not talking about ideas, but actual hardware design
[2:14] <piless> Yeah, don't the apple stuff say "designed in california" or something?
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[2:17] <pdp7> howdy anyone worked with wireless kernel modules for the pi?
[2:17] <hamitron> you got one?
[2:17] <pdp7> i'm trying to get rtl8187 to work with Debian 6.0 image with 3.1.9+ kernel
[2:18] <pdp7> yeah testing wireless adapters on a beta board
[2:18] <piless> pdp7: 8187 is a pretty common chipset
[2:18] <pdp7> i had high hopes for rtl8187 given the elinux wiki
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[2:18] <pdp7> yeah, the debian image seems to lack all the wireless kernel modules
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[2:18] <piless> pdp7: Typical!
[2:18] <pdp7> so i've tried cross compiling with the kernel from github
[2:19] <hamitron> damn debian politics? ;)
[2:19] <piless> the fedora build is worse
[2:19] <hamitron> wow :/
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[2:19] <pdp7> but seem to be doing something wrong as get invalid format when trying to insert the module
[2:19] * piless pokes Hexxeh
[2:19] <pdp7> (although the .ko version magic matches the .ko's already in the debian image)
[2:20] <pdp7> trying to find someone else who has successfully added any kernel module :)
[2:21] <aditsu> pdp7: just compile it on the pi, shouldn't take longer than a week
[2:21] <danieldaniel> lmao
[2:21] <hamitron> have it going before most here still ;)
[2:22] <pdp7> yeah, i was thinking about that. it's a bit weird as the debian repo doesn't seem to be aware that it is using 3.1.9 and not the typical 2.6 with squeezebox.
[2:22] <pdp7> but i guess i could just pull down the kerenl source from github onto it
[2:23] <pdp7> s/squeezebox/squeeze/
[2:28] <danieldaniel> http://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=154
[2:28] * danieldaniel throws in water
[2:28] * danieldaniel dies
[2:30] <aditsu> danieldaniel: get some ClF3, it's more awesome
[2:30] <danieldaniel> Not sure if I can
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[2:31] <aditsu> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php
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[3:09] <pdp7> trying make modules on the pi for the github kernel... guess i'll find out how long this takes ;)
[3:11] <pdp7> ah ha, this is better make modules SUBDIRS=
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[3:21] <aditsu> google code jam is starting tomorrow, anybody else participating?
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[3:42] <CcSsNET> aditsu: interesting ill look into it
[3:42] <CcSsNET> i might
[3:45] <aditsu> ok :)
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[3:47] <CcSsNET> what do you code in?
[3:48] <aditsu> I usually use java, but I'll try more languages this time in the qual round
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[3:48] <aditsu> at least C, C++, python
[3:48] <CcSsNET> cool. i highly dislike java myself
[3:49] <CcSsNET> and dislike python
[3:49] <CcSsNET> but sadly have to use it
[3:49] <aditsu> I love and hate python at the same time :p
[3:49] <CcSsNET> untill of course i can replace it in all the apps i use happen to use it for scripting
[3:49] * CcSsNET points at mrxvt
[3:50] <CcSsNET> aditsu: http://atccss.net/index.php?p=about heres some of my interests/views and opinions so i dont flood the channel with a rant
[3:52] <aditsu> what I did last year: http://www.go-hero.net/jam/11/name/aditsu
[3:53] <CcSsNET> its all java. at best i could read the code :)
[3:53] <aditsu> check this out then: http://www.go-hero.net/jam/11/multilang
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[3:54] <CcSsNET> wow at all them languages
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[3:55] <Axman6> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android might be of interest to some of you in here
[3:55] <aditsu> so what do you code in?
[3:56] <CcSsNET> bash mostly but the link i pasted above shows full list
[3:58] <CcSsNET> i do like that watch. i wonder if it will have pure linux support. vs, android
[3:58] <aditsu> bash? eewwwwwwww
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[3:58] <CcSsNET> eh, im taking interest in pike alot atm
[3:58] <CcSsNET> but i code php fairly well too
[4:00] <CcSsNET> my main choice in a language is size, which is a major reason i dislike java and python
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[4:00] <aditsu> pike looks decent
[4:00] <aditsu> size of what?
[4:00] <CcSsNET> installed language and libs
[4:01] <CcSsNET> on dev or production env.
[4:01] <CcSsNET> i can fit that full list of languages in half the space java takes up
[4:01] <CcSsNET> ;)
[4:01] <aditsu> by "language" I guess you mean compiler/interpreter?
[4:01] <CcSsNET> yea
[4:02] <aditsu> ok, well, your choice :)
[4:02] <CcSsNET> yea
[4:02] <CcSsNET> clearly im interested in embedded sized device coding
[4:02] <CcSsNET> which fits well to raspberrypi
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[4:03] <aditsu> then C/C++ could be better suited
[4:03] <CcSsNET> well yes in the long run, but realisticly interpreted is faster to a solution
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[4:05] <CcSsNET> i like pike because it kinda makes c easier :)
[4:05] <CcSsNET> and its small
[4:05] <aditsu> it's interesting that it originated from MUDs, specifically at lysator
[4:05] <CcSsNET> hmm
[4:06] <aditsu> there's a MUD there I still play sometimes :p
[4:06] <CcSsNET> i dont use them anymore
[4:06] <CcSsNET> i usually fall into a death trap or get muged in less then 6 turns
[4:07] <CcSsNET> although coding one could be an interesting experiment into peoples reactions
[4:07] <DataSpree> I happen to be coding a signal handler in a MUD written in C++ right now
[4:07] <CcSsNET> hmm
[4:08] <CcSsNET> im working on an os
[4:08] <aditsu> I think LPC (ancestor of pike) was for in-MUD scripting
[4:08] <CcSsNET> not much original code, mostly just porting, configuration, and such
[4:09] <piless> You should make an OS from scratch
[4:09] <CcSsNET> piless: http://atccss.net/projects/build-toolchain.sh
[4:09] <aditsu> first you should make a computer from scratch
[4:09] <CcSsNET> already started that effort. its more work then you think
[4:10] <piless> "STOP SOPA/PIPA/ACTA"?
[4:10] <CcSsNET> well, a linux os in that scenario
[4:10] <CcSsNET> yea
[4:10] <CcSsNET> :)
[4:10] <piless> By from scratch I mean.. no linux.. no nothing
[4:11] <CcSsNET> yea. no thanks
[4:11] <CcSsNET> memory management would be alone a pita
[4:11] <aditsu> and I mean no ICs, no transistors, no nothing
[4:11] <CcSsNET> nvm entropy and random generation
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[4:11] <CcSsNET> aditsu: pff
[4:11] <aditsu> :)
[4:11] <CcSsNET> not even transitors?
[4:12] <CcSsNET> common!
[4:12] * CcSsNET drags out a bucket of wire
[4:12] <piless> you can use transistors if you make them
[4:12] <CcSsNET> lifes to short
[4:12] <aditsu> you have to go dig the ground with your bare hands to find some materials
[4:12] <CcSsNET> llol
[4:13] <aditsu> get sand for silicon, etc
[4:13] <piless> If you wish to make a raspberry pi from scratch, you must first create the universe
[4:14] <piless> -- Carl Sagan
[4:14] <aditsu> I lost my shoe
[4:14] <aditsu> -- Albert Einstein
[4:16] <CcSsNET> trollololol --anapnea.net
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[4:43] <nezZario> oh
[4:43] <nezZario> you know i was trying to search the forums for IRC.. and just wanted to see if we existed here
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[4:44] <nezZario> well, hello
[4:45] <piless> hello
[4:45] <nezZario> as soon as my paycheck clears i'm going to try to preorder a raspberry ..
[4:46] <hotwings> good evening
[4:46] <nezZario> not sure how long it'll take, but at least i'll be under the impression i'll get one soon
[4:46] <piless> nezZario: the forums are a bad place, we don't go there
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[4:47] <nezZario> are you being funny? :P
[4:47] <piless> no
[4:47] <nezZario> lol, what's wrong with the forums?
[4:47] <piless> nezZario: Too many admins with control issues
[4:48] <nezZario> :(
[4:48] <nezZario> i'll prefer IRC over forums anyday
[4:48] <nezZario> a lot of people say IRC is dying, but i disagree..
[4:49] <nezZario> so i hate to ask, but if I preorder a rp tomorrow.. how long will it take before I get one?
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[4:49] <piless> nezZario: August?
[4:49] <nezZario> really?? :(
[4:49] <piless> nezZario: Complete guess.
[4:49] <nezZario> i was hoping 6 weeks
[4:49] <Da|Mummy> you are about 2 months late...
[4:50] <piless> nezZario: But you'll be at the end of a very long queue
[4:50] <nezZario> you can still preorder them on one of the dist's site
[4:50] <nezZario> and yeah, i completely missed the ordering thing..which would of been a 1/100 chance i actually got thru to the website to get one
[4:50] <nezZario> i was traveling or some crap that day
[4:51] <nezZario> will it be possible to use SATA drives without an external case?
[4:52] <piless> nezZario: I heard that they're going to be ramping up production, so you never know.. It might not be that long
[4:52] <nezZario> hopefully
[4:52] <nezZario> i have dreams of building a massive SATA RAID array .. i don't think raspberry pi's are even the best tool to use.. but ah well, right?
[4:52] <nezZario> when it doens't work I can flash it and dream up something else.
[4:52] <piless> nezZario: How are you planning on connecting them to the pi?
[4:53] <nezZario> no idea..i guess i can buy a ton of external cases
[4:53] <nezZario> that's what I would have to do with any other PC anyway (or a big controller)
[4:54] <piless> nezZario: The big bottleneck is that you've got 1 ethernet port and 2 usb sharing the same theoretical 480mbps
[4:54] <nezZario> speed isn't a huge issue
[4:55] <piless> nezZario: I've also heard that the pi wouldn't function very well or at all as a NAS
[4:55] <nezZario> why not at all?
[4:55] <piless> nezZario: Well, I don't have specifics on me, it's just what I remember from an article a while back.
[4:55] <nezZario> i guess i can always just buy a microitx or some crap
[4:55] <nezZario> i have plenty of other uses for it ;)
[4:56] <piless> nezZario: You can get some really nice NAS raid array enclosures
[4:56] <nezZario> they're crazy expensive..
[4:56] <nezZario> i'm relatively poor ;)
[4:56] <piless> nezZario: The harddrives would cost a fair bit though?
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[4:56] <nezZario> i work for a pc repair company (ok, i'm a programmer, but our physical business is pc repair, which isn't handled by me)
[4:57] <nezZario> but as a side effect I have probably 10tb+ of oddly sized hardrives sitting around
[4:57] <nezZario> well, probably less than that because a lot of them are dead
[4:57] <nezZario> i would love to raid0+1 them
[4:58] <nezZario> i have welding equipment.. was thinking to even make a custom built rack
[4:58] <piless> nezZario: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/using-rpi-for-nas-with-raid
[4:59] <piless> nezZario: Remember what I said about the forums? Some users having a nice discussion then along comes Abishur.. THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE,, BAM LOCKED
[4:59] <nezZario> hmm
[4:59] <piless> Bunch of dicks
[4:59] <nezZario> i guess it is kind of crappy.. there is only 480mbit of bandwidth shared across both USB+the ethernet?
[4:59] <Dagger2> in fairness, it is a bit tiring seeing the same thing discussed over and over and over
[4:59] <nezZario> i'm well familier with NetBSD RAID that works on ARM though
[5:00] <Dagger2> especially on our less-than-stellar forum software
[5:00] <nezZario> well the search can't work very well being that I searched for a while for "IRC" and just happen to try to get here to .. get here
[5:00] <piless> nezZario: The ethernet uses the usb chip thing, and the 480mbps is the rate limit of usb2
[5:00] <piless> so you're going to get even less than that
[5:00] <piless> *rated
[5:00] <nezZario> I see.. so it's a shared channel of bandwidth?
[5:00] <Dagger2> nezZario: note that the ethernet is 100mbit, so USB2 is probably not going to be the limiting fator
[5:00] <piless> nelson: Yeah
[5:00] <piless> nezZario: Yeah
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[5:01] <nezZario> well, ok.. i'll have to look into some robotics then.. or just a set-top box...
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[5:01] <ReggieUK> set top box is a nono too :D
[5:01] <piless> Dagger2: Indeed.. Who the frack uses 100mbit ethernet in this day and age?
[5:01] <ReggieUK> robotics will be fine though
[5:01] <ReggieUK> piless, I do
[5:01] <nezZario> my wifi is only 48mbit ;)
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[5:02] <nezZario> what's wrong with a set-top box??
[5:02] <ReggieUK> nothing
[5:02] <nezZario> i think you guys are just being too optimistic :)
[5:02] <nezZario> doesn't have to be perfect
[5:02] <ReggieUK> but a pi for a set-top box isn't going to be very good
[5:02] <Dagger2> piless: we do... gigabit managed switches are expensive, and I had a 100mbit one already
[5:02] <nezZario> half-working is better than don't-have-it
[5:02] <piless> nezZario: I've heard that streaming video to the pi is going to have a lot of issues
[5:02] <nezZario> we'll have to see
[5:03] <nezZario> i mean, i'mma get one, or two if I can afford/buy 2 at once when the time comes :)
[5:03] <Jak_o_Shadows> It has to beat the pentium 4 I tried.
[5:03] <nezZario> i'll find a use
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[5:03] <piless> Jak_o_Shadows: a pentium 4 is going to be much more powerful than the pi
[5:04] <Jak_o_Away> piless: Problem with my p4 is the graphics card is a runt. It's a fx-5200
[5:04] <nezZario> i almost got an arduino kit a while back in feb. with our tax refund, but ended up having to pay bills with our money
[5:04] <nezZario> very interested in playing with some robotics
[5:04] <piless> Jak_o_Away: The pi doesn't even have a graphics card.. It has a graphics chip :D
[5:05] <ReggieUK> same as an xbox 360 then piless, or a ps3
[5:05] <Jak_o_Away> At least it'll be supported properly. Fedora has dropped proper support for it :{
[5:05] <ReggieUK> or laptops
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[5:05] <piless> ReggieUK: the xbox 360 has a graphics card
[5:05] <nezZario> or heck, even just have a browser hooked up to an old-style TV
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[5:05] <nezZario> we don't have a fancy shmancy hdmi equipped tv
[5:05] <ReggieUK> no it doesn't, it's a gpu on a motherboard
[5:06] <nezZario> well, i freakin' want one to try all these things
[5:06] <nezZario> def want to get NetBSD on there
[5:06] <piless> nezZario: It doesn't have vga
[5:07] <nezZario> yeah it has RCA :)
[5:07] <piless> I thought it was composite
[5:07] <nezZario> which is kind of weird.. rca is so low quality, not even sure you could read text, etc on it
[5:07] <ReggieUK> rca will do for composite :D
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[5:08] <nezZario> sorry i wans't saying vga==rca
[5:08] <ReggieUK> and it'll be fine
[5:08] <piless> ReggieUK: Yeah but you'll never try to plug it in upside down
[5:08] <ReggieUK> piless, I did once, learnt my lesson! ;)
[5:09] <piless> I swear I have to rotate a usb connector at least 3 times to get it in right.
[5:09] <nezZario> lol, impossible!
[5:10] <piless> And then you get some manufacturers like dell who like to just throw caution to the wind and make all their usb ports upside down
[5:10] <piless> fucking dell optiplexs
[5:10] <blemmm> I have one from 1993. :P
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[5:11] <nezZario> i'm suprised there isn't much talk about netbsd
[5:11] <nezZario> they have excellent arm support
[5:11] <nezZario> tbh i didn't even know fedora/debian cared about ARM
[5:12] <piless> nezZario: People don't care about bsd, the masses either want ubuntu or xbmc
[5:12] <nezZario> the heck is xbmc?
[5:12] <piless> nezZario: xbox media centre
[5:12] <piless> nezZario: There's a port for the pi being developed with openelec
[5:13] <piless> the fedora port is junk aswell
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[5:14] <piless> I'm waiting for hexxeh to give us chrome os :D
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[5:15] <nezZario> oh, man i know nothing about linux and desktops
[5:15] <nezZario> i administrate servers all day..but i'm sorry, still have to use windows for my desktops
[5:15] <piless> nezZario: Neither do I. I just copy and paste from wikipedia.
[5:15] <piless> And post pictures of lettuce.
[5:15] <nezZario> well i'm happy that debian is being supported
[5:16] <nezZario> i'm a diehard bsd fan..but a good friend of mine finally converted me into using debian being that it actually has a pkg manager comparable to freebsd ports
[5:16] <piless> nezZario: Indeed, although I think fedora is the current favourite by the foundation
[5:16] <Dagger2> I just hope we get a version of Debian from people that care about making it usable
[5:16] <Da|Mummy> didnt the foundation dismiss fedora because it turned out terrible?
[5:17] <piless> Da|Mummy: Did they?
[5:17] <Dagger2> the list of things disabled in the existing Debian image's kernel is depressingly long
[5:17] <Da|Mummy> thats what i heard. dont quote me though
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[5:17] <piless> "dont quote me though" -- Da|Mummy
[5:18] <blemmm> xD
[5:18] <Da|Mummy> at least you didnt bash.org it
[5:18] <piless> Da|Mummy: Says who?
[5:18] <Da|Mummy> it_sean did
[5:19] <nezZario> lol, bash.or
[5:19] <nezZario> it seemed they stopped updating it years ago, or am I wrong?
[5:19] <piless> Da|Mummy: They're still saying fedora in the faq.
[5:19] <piless> "We???ll be using Fedora as our recommended distribution. It???s straightforward to replace the root partition on the SD card with another ARM Linux distro if you want to use something else. The OS is stored on the SD card."
[5:19] <piless> Da|Mummy: Although it does seem they change their minds every 5 minutes
[5:20] <nezZario> you should be able to put anything you want on it, really
[5:20] <nezZario> not sure if linux can do cross-compiles, but i assume so
[5:20] <Da|Mummy> better than being stubborn and just pushing the worst thing possible
[5:20] <piless> nezZario: Yeah, but that's the OS they're going to be shipping it with when they do the educational release
[5:21] <ReggieUK> I don't want all that debian crap
[5:21] <ReggieUK> not particularly interested in x etc.
[5:22] <piless> ReggieUK: http://i.imgur.com/sEK1c.jpg
[5:22] <nezZario> i guess it depends on what i end up using it for
[5:22] <blemmm> piless: +1
[5:22] <ReggieUK> piless, you won't ever phaze me with vegetables
[5:22] <piless> ReggieUK: But the vegetables will phase you.
[5:22] <ReggieUK> but it's just a digital image
[5:23] <piless> *faze
[5:23] <ReggieUK> you'd have to make me ingest it and I don't think there's an app. for that
[5:23] <piless> I could fire dried pellets
[5:24] <Da|Mummy> http://www.smugspizza.com/Images/pizza_slice.gif
[5:24] <Da|Mummy> my vegetable is better
[5:25] <piless> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5hYLC4_F9w
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[5:29] <piless> fuck.. just watched a 4 minute video on hydroponic lettuce growing
[5:30] <ReggieUK> ha
[5:30] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[5:31] <piless> you mean good morning
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[5:35] <nezZario> LTZS
[5:35] <nezZario> !!
[5:35] <nezZario> i'm out fella's
[5:36] <nezZario> good luck to all
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[9:28] <Mowee> Morning
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[9:30] <piless> Morning
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[9:50] <Drazyl> morning
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[9:52] <piless> morning
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[10:00] <Hourd> morning
[10:03] <piless> morning
[10:04] <fALSO> oix
[10:05] <Milos> Morning
[10:05] <piless> morning
[10:05] <Milos> Morning
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[10:05] <piless> morning
[10:05] <Milos> Morning
[10:05] <Milos> BLUARGH
[10:05] <piless> morning
[10:05] <piless> Are you okay?
[10:05] <Milos> ya
[10:05] <fALSO> :-P
[10:06] <Drazyl> !w cranleigh
[10:06] <PiBot> Drazyl: in Cranleigh, Surrey. Temp 39??F. Condition: Fog, Humidity: 100%, Later 55??F - 37??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[10:06] <Milos> !calc weather in cranleigh, surrey
[10:06] <piless> !w reigate
[10:06] <PiBot> piless: in Reigate, Surrey. Temp 4??C. Condition: Fog, Humidity: 100%, Later 12??C - 2??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[10:06] <woot> temperature | 4 ??C (wind chill: 2 ??C)
[10:06] <woot> conditions | fog, cloudy
[10:06] <woot> relative humidity | 100% (dew point: 4 ??C)
[10:06] <woot> wind speed | 2 m/s
[10:06] <woot> (45 minutes ago)
[10:06] <Milos> !part
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[10:06] <Milos> :P
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[10:20] <pdp7> anyone compile kernel modules for the debian image? the feb-17-2012 version doesn't seem to have any wireless modules included
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[10:35] <piless> pdp7: No one knows anything on this channel
[10:37] <fALSO> llol
[10:37] <fALSO> he wants support for something that doesnt exist
[10:37] <fALSO> LOL
[10:37] <fALSO> "please help me with duke nukem foverer 4d"
[10:39] <lennard> this channel is for complaining only!
[10:39] <Drazyl> that's rubbish"!
[10:39] <fALSO> :-P
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[10:40] <fALSO> anyone knows a european online shop where i can get a BASE VICE ? lol
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[10:40] <fALSO> there should be a lot of eletronics ppl here
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[10:41] <Hourd> nope, we are all dumb consumers, we complain about not having a pi and it not being a gaming desktop
[10:42] <Drazyl> or a pony!
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[10:51] <Hourd> or that
[10:52] <DJWillis> pdp7: build the kernel from the RaspberryPi GIT, in the default sample config there are loads of wireless drivers enabled. Should be easy enough to do.
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[11:18] <_av500_> DJWillis: please keep the tech mumbo jumbo to a minimum here!
[11:18] <Drazyl> yeah, you and your information, we dont want it!
[11:20] <xlq> fALSO: Not sure what a "BASE VICE" is. I'm still looking for a long weight.
[11:20] <piless> remember there may be kids in here, can't have them scared with your nasty techno talk
[11:20] <fALSO> xlq, something like this
[11:21] <fALSO> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220969865132?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[11:21] <fALSO> a VICE that has "feeet"
[11:21] <fALSO> instead of peing put on a "table"
[11:21] <xlq> I went into a shop and asked for a long weight. They never got back to me :(
[11:21] <fALSO> hehehe
[11:21] <fALSO> (this is for lock picking)
[11:21] <xlq> Still haven't found a left-handed screwdriver either.
[11:22] <xlq> A vice for lockpicking? O_o
[11:22] <fALSO> just to hold the locks/padlocks
[11:22] <piless> that vice is held down by a vacuum? I can picture someone getting hurt when it decides to give way.
[11:23] <fALSO> lol
[11:23] <xlq> Hmm.
[11:23] <fALSO> its "light"
[11:24] <xlq> It has a light?
[11:24] <fALSO> i just wanted to know if you guys might know any european shop that sells those
[11:24] <fALSO> nop... it is light - the oposite of heavy
[11:25] <DJWillis> _av500_: noted, sorry, i'll flog myself with some rusty nails on rope.
[11:25] <piless> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=vacuum+vice
[11:25] <xlq> it's = it is; its = possessive
[11:25] <fALSO> amazon asks a lot for shipping
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[11:26] * xlq searches for "vacuum vice accident"
[11:26] <fALSO> LOLOLOL
[11:26] <piless> fALSO: No they don't. Amazon will ship most things for free. It's the 3rd party retailers that will charge you for shipping
[11:27] <piless> fALSO: Like this one, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-45245-Vacuum-Table-Vice-Jaw/dp/B0034BJTHC/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1334309075&sr=1-1
[11:27] <piless> " Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery."
[11:27] <fALSO> ya, im not in UK
[11:29] <piless> wikipedia says base vices are not to be used for lockpicking.
[11:29] <piless> it says they fall over if you do that
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[11:30] <fALSO> where?
[11:30] <fALSO> that doesnt make sense
[11:30] <fALSO> a lock isnt at all that heavy
[11:32] <piless> Also one of the reviewers on amazon says you've got to make sure to lick the suction bit with your tongue before you use it to make sure you've got a good seal
[11:33] <fALSO> piless, i dont even need it to "stick"
[11:33] <piless> But it will fall over otherwise
[11:36] <Drazyl> he could use a g-clamp to attach it
[11:38] <Drazyl> or, better still, you could put the base vice in a bench vice to hold it still
[11:38] <piless> Drazyl: Good idea.
[11:38] <xlq> aha
[11:38] <xlq> So we put a vice in your vice so you can grip while you grip.
[11:38] <fALSO> lol
[11:38] <Drazyl> that would work
[11:38] <fALSO> SUP DAWG
[11:38] <fALSO> so i herd you liek vices
[11:39] <piless> fALSO: stfu before I slap you
[11:39] <fALSO> oh im so scared
[11:39] <fALSO> piless: Hi! You appear to be raging and hulkin' on IRC. Would you like to: [Suppress your Anger] [Emoquit IRC Forever] [Live in Denial] [Blog to your Pals] [Switch to MSN] [Ban VXP] [Quit Caring] [Eat Blogzap] [Die] [Commit suicide because nobody cares]
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[11:39] <fALSO> choose wisely
[11:39] * SpeedEvil was wanting to put a vice in his vice earlier.
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> But I lost the vice I meant to put in my vice.
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[11:42] <xlq> Just one of his many vices...
[11:42] <xlq> (*hides*)
[11:42] <piless> SpeedEvil: Is "vice" an euphemism for your vagina?
[11:43] <piless> *euphuism
[11:43] <fALSO> failed troll is failing
[11:43] <xlq> You were right the first time. Euphemism.
[11:44] <piless> fALSO: I think you need to look up the definition of trolling
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[11:44] <SpeedEvil> No, it's a term for my drill vice, that I meant to clamp into my other vice to allow an axis of adjustment
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[11:44] <piless> SpeedEvil: Sexy
[11:45] <philh> which countries make up the axis of adjustment?
[11:45] <fALSO> farnell in china
[11:45] <piless> philh: the germans mostly
[11:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> north Korea ?
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[11:47] <piless> RaTTuS|BIG: They can't even manage to launch a rocket properly, let alone be an axis of adjustment
[11:47] <xlq> You knighted states of a merry car?
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[11:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> that is probably why the rocket failed - the axis of adjustment was wrong
[11:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> dagnabit - other machine has jsut crashed and burned
[11:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> had disk is clicking also ...
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[12:05] <Henchman21> something happen with korea's rocket?
[12:05] <Henchman21> sure it didnt succeed and they're giving you a story to forget about their satelite?
[12:05] <BCMM> Henchman21: no, something was supposed to happen
[12:05] <BCMM> it was supposed to fly and stuff.
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[12:05] <BCMM> it did not fly and stuff.
[12:06] <Henchman21> blow up on the pad? or just postponed?
[12:06] <urs> the great north korean people have, through their kindness, created a new reef structure for fish to flourish in
[12:06] <BCMM> Henchman21: it blew up shortly after the pad
[12:06] <BCMM> iirc the bits are in the sea
[12:07] <BCMM> did anybody hear the sonic boom over south england at 6:15(ish) pm yesterday?
[12:07] <Henchman21> wonder if the UN had a hand in its demise?
[12:08] <BCMM> there were some rather hilarious people on the net panicing about the DPRKs rocket launch for a few hours before it got explained
[12:08] <piless> the UN doesn't do shit nowadays
[12:08] <BCMM> Henchman21: you appear slightly confused about the UN's role...
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[12:12] <piless> BCMM: Nope in surrey
[12:12] <BCMM> really quite loud in the cotswolds; was convinced something had hit the roof
[12:13] <piless> BCMM: Live near any military sites?
[12:13] <BCMM> nah, but it did get explained
[12:13] <Henchman21> pics of it exploding or it succeeded
[12:13] <BCMM> apparently a helicopter over bath accidentally signalled it was being hijacked
[12:13] <BCMM> and apparently that gets you supersonic Typhoons
[12:14] <BCMM> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17697328
[12:14] <[Si]> not Guile from streetfighter then ;)
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[12:15] <piless> BCMM: Damn I missed all the excitement.. I'm going to in the bath area on sunday :(
[12:15] <piless> *to be
[12:15] <BCMM> you really did; they say there were two Typhoons circling and very low speed and altitude
[12:16] <BCMM> it must be quite funny watching a supersonic aircraft try to slow down enough to intercept a small helicopter
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[12:17] <piless> BCMM: It was probably planning to shoot it down :P
[12:17] <BCMM> i would imagine they were trying to get close enough see how many people were in the chopper
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[12:18] <piless> If the helicopter had any serious weapony I'd imagine they'd just cut the loss rather than leave it in the hands of hostiles?
[12:19] <piless> but that's just me
[12:19] <piless> I have no idea about military protocal
[12:19] <piless> *protocol
[12:21] <Henchman21> yeah i cant find any video of the launch
[12:21] <Henchman21> start conspiracies
[12:22] <Henchman21> hand of god/military intervention/success/ALIENS!
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[12:52] <nrdb> just seen a posting of someone running 32-bit linux on an 8-bit AVR micro... by emulating the ARM processor on the AVR... apparently the ARM virtual CPU has about 6.5KHz clock rate.
[12:52] <Da|Mummy> will it run android and angry birds?
[12:53] <Hourd> yes
[12:53] <fALSO> that old
[12:53] <fALSO> thats
[12:53] <nrdb> maybe... who knows what frame rate... 1 per minute... ha ha
[12:53] <Hourd> its not that old, but most people in here have probebly seen it
[12:53] <des2> Did you see how long it takes to boot ?
[12:53] <Hourd> its 4hours to get to a 'useable' shell or something
[12:53] <nrdb> hours.
[12:54] <nrdb> 2 hours apparently.
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> I note that the 2 hour boot, and 6.5KHz clockspeed are inconsistent
[12:55] <nrdb> wouldn't like to see its response time in open-office etc.
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[12:55] <nrdb> SpeedEvil, why...
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> That would mean a 6.5*7200 KHz (47MHz) processor would boot in 1 second.
[12:56] <nrdb> SpeedEvil, probably just boot to login console... no gui.
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[13:00] <Drazyl> SpeedEvil boot time is not about MHz tho
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> Drazyl: No, it's not.
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> But that number indicates something is a bit off.
[13:05] <Drazyl> not necessarily, could be the io scales much better
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> Booting from a ramdisk is comparable
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[13:08] <nrdb> see http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.+Linux+on+8bit#uniqstr_1333116967365_q
[13:08] <Drazyl> if you scale up his effective ram speed what is it equivalent to tho
[13:09] <Drazyl> my ram runs much slower than my cpu, his may scale 1:1
[13:10] <Drazyl> and presumably his effective clock speed varies somewhat depending on what instructions are being executed
[13:15] <nrdb> it seems that it takes 2 hours for a minimum boot... a full shell login appears to take 6 hours if I am reading that page correctly.
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[13:24] <Hopsy> how can I use an application on facebook without it posting stuff on my page??
[13:25] <piless> Hopsy: 2nd facebook account
[13:25] <Drazyl> log in as someone else
[13:25] <piless> Hopsy: I haven't been on facebook in 6 months but there's a permissions page in the settings somewhere
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[13:27] <[Si]> Hopsy, you create a group with no-one in it and have the app post to that.
[13:28] <M0RBD> Facebook works surprisingly well under Links.
[13:28] <M0RBD> :D
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[13:33] <M0RBD> nrdb: there have been a project around for ages called "ELKS Linux" with goal of running Linux on a 8086 or 286 based machine... But I gues the AVR one takes that a step further...
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[13:35] <nrdb> M0RBD, yes... I wouldn't want to boot it much... but I don't think you could get a lower power (i.e. in watts) Linux computer.
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[13:40] <SpeedEvil> My phone is.
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> It idles considerably under that operating power.
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> And even at 1% CPU time will blow it completely away.
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[14:24] <M0RBD> nrdb: yeah
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[14:28] <stuk_gen> is there here somebody have try chalkeboard lcd on beagleboard?
[14:34] <piless> stuk_gen: Try #beagle
[14:35] <stuk_gen> piless: i just try but in that room all are spleeping
[14:35] <piless> stuk_gen: Everyone in here is too cheap to shell out for a beagleboard
[14:36] <Hourd> pretty much
[14:36] <hamitron> everyone? ;/
[14:37] <stuk_gen> not here...in beagle room :P
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[14:43] <piless> I woke them up for you
[14:46] <haltdef> not I
[14:46] <haltdef> booting kubuntu on my panda atm
[14:48] <piless> haltdef: a panda isn't a beagle
[14:49] <haltdef> I know, it's better
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> piless: Especially important when trying to arrange matings.
[14:49] <piless> haltdef: mkopack says ubuntu runs like shit on it though
[14:49] <haltdef> on an SD card it's horrible
[14:50] <haltdef> I'm waiting for the initial setup to complete then I'll dump the rootfs onto a usb hd
[14:51] <Matt> I should attach some usb storage to my firewall
[14:52] <Matt> I've yet to play with anything usb attached with openwrt
[14:54] <haltdef> nothing worked in a usable manner, I found :P
[14:55] <haltdef> this was on a resource starved netgear router though
[14:55] <Matt> well given I've been running it for several years now and not had any cause to :)
[14:55] <Matt> the router is also in a relatively inaccessible location
[14:56] <Matt> also, why is poe hardware so damn expensive?
[14:57] <piless> because your mother never loved you
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[15:22] <It_sean> Ahoyhoy!
[15:22] <Drazyl> morning
[15:22] <It_sean> Morning
[15:25] <Matt> where's your capital T this morning?
[15:25] <It_sean> I'm on my iPad, via a web based irc client :/
[15:26] <It_sean> And forgot to cap the T
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[15:29] <piless> is it out yet?
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[15:30] <fALSO> never piless
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[15:30] <It_sean> No
[15:31] <Matt> what's he gonna do when they actually start shipping?
[15:32] <chronofast> troll directly at the board when it can't run windows xp
[15:33] <piless> screw you, I'm sticking xp on it.
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[15:33] <Drazyl> real men uses windows 1.04
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[15:42] <M0RBD> Drazyl: I have two original floppies of Windows 1.0 :D Boxed unopened :D
[15:43] <M0RBD> That said any windows up to 98 should run on the PI using dosbox.. at least it work fine on my N900 ..
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[15:45] <BCMM> M0RBD: ?
[15:45] <piless> M0RBD: Stick them on ebay, I bet they'll get at least 20p
[15:45] <fALSO> moar
[15:46] <fALSO> they will sell for a lot
[15:46] <piless> 25p?
[15:46] <BCMM> M0RBD: ah, didn't know dosbox could actually do processor emulation
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[15:48] <piless> BCMM: dosbox is a full cpu emulator
[15:48] <chronofast> there's a port of qemu for at least arm7: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=692682
[15:48] <mjr> yeah it actually can't _not_ do cpu emulation
[15:49] <piless> mjr: lol
[15:49] <BCMM> mjr: because DOS doesn't idle properly?
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[15:50] <mjr> I was more referring to the fact that it emulates the CPU on native x86 as well
[15:50] <mjr> it doesn't do virtualization
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[15:51] <BCMM> mjr: running MS DOS through hardware virtualisation tends to eat all available resources unless you hack DOS a bitdue to the manner in which MS DOS idles (or rather, doesn't)
[15:51] <mjr> so yeah, it'll work, but unusably slowly for most purposes ;]
[15:51] <mjr> yeah I'm aware also of what you mean
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[15:52] <piless> will it run windows 7?
[15:52] <Matt> will piless ever give up? :)
[15:53] <Matt> I suspect the answer to these questions is the same
[15:53] <Drazyl> yes, it will run windows 7 faster than an oct-core 4GHz Intel processor
[15:53] <piless> woah, qualcomm is investing in bluestacks
[15:54] <Matt> I suspect the pi would be a nice little platform for nagios and nut
[15:54] <piless> http://www.acsyndicate.net/qualcomm-invests-in-bluestacks-after-a-successful-beta-launch
[15:55] <mkopack> 'sup guys?
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[15:55] <piless> hello
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[15:56] <chronofast> the r18 sdk emulator for android is faster than bluestacks is now, and can handle opengl es 2.0, bluestacks can't
[15:57] <piless> chronofast: pffft..
[15:57] <chronofast> that might change by monday, but for a little while bluestacks is obsolete
[15:58] <chronofast> I don't even think bluestacks offers any gpu hardware acceleration currently
[15:59] <fALSO> chronofast, ????
[15:59] <fALSO> youre sure ?
[15:59] <fALSO> sdk emulator is slow as hell
[15:59] <fALSO> even on my quad core, 8gb of ram
[15:59] <fALSO> takes a LOT to just open
[15:59] <fALSO> isnt even comparable with bluestacks
[16:00] <fALSO> fucking jewva crap
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[16:00] <piless> fALSO: the android emulator just updated to include hw acceleration
[16:00] <fALSO> ahh and dont forget to mention that
[16:00] <chronofast> http://phandroid.com/2012/04/09/google-updates-android-emulator-to-include-gpu-acceleration-support-for-android-4-0-4-image-other-nice-changes/
[16:00] <fALSO> the emulador doesnt support for example: playing videos
[16:01] <fALSO> just gives a really neat black screen
[16:01] <fALSO> its really useless when developing
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[16:01] <mkopack> Well, that was fun seeing $10K in my checking account this morning??? for all of 30 seconds???.
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[16:01] <chronofast> have you updated to 4.0.4 r18?
[16:01] <fALSO> if you dont have a REAL android mobile
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[16:01] <fALSO> nop... i just gave up on android
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[16:01] <piless> chronofast: But seeing as this is a completely new feature for the android emulator it's a bit unfair to rag on bluestacks for not having it too
[16:01] <fALSO> its like linux
[16:01] <fALSO> always chagining everything
[16:02] <mkopack> $5400 to pay for tuition for last qtr, $2200 to pay on my visa, $620 for car payment, and $100 on other bills??? Back down to $800. Sigh
[16:02] <chronofast> of course it's fair, if they don't keep up it's their fault
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[16:02] <piless> fALSO: Wow, linux is like the complete opposite..
[16:02] <fALSO> yes
[16:02] <fALSO> always changing API
[16:02] <fALSO> no standards defined
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[16:03] <fALSO> for example... on android there wasnt a "way to kill an app" ... you would need to use task manager etc
[16:03] <fALSO> and they said "that was the correct way to do it"
[16:03] <piless> chronofast: Oh come on.. You don't really expect the new guy to beat google at their own game do you?
[16:03] <fALSO> now... on a new android version
[16:03] <fALSO> every app now has a X to close it
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[16:03] <fALSO> standard? not on my android/linux
[16:04] <piless> fALSO: What are you going on about x? There are no X buttons
[16:04] <fALSO> on the newest android there is
[16:04] <piless> fALSO: It has the same memory management as before
[16:04] <mkopack> fALSO: and people wonder why I prefer OSX over Linux??? Might not be cheap, but at least they keep things clean - single API, they're not afraid to get rid of old cruft....
[16:04] <Matt> mkopack: you should become a hermit
[16:04] <fALSO> yap mkopack
[16:04] <Matt> I don't think they go through much money
[16:04] <fALSO> I preffer BSD
[16:04] <piless> apps stay in memory until you run out and then the oldest gets kicked out of memory
[16:05] <mkopack> Matt: Hell, I practically am a Monk already??? Damn Catholic priests get more action sexually (granted it's with small boys) than I do!
[16:05] <fALSO> thats really usefull
[16:05] <fALSO> use all the memory until you need moar
[16:05] <piless> mkopack: You want to have sex with small boys?
[16:05] <mkopack> NO! Eeew
[16:05] <mkopack> 18+ girls only)
[16:05] <fALSO> well... just the idea of making a mobile that uses the software iN JAVA
[16:05] <fALSO> doesnt make sense for anyone
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[16:06] <mkopack> Ugh, WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH JAVA guys??? Geez
[16:06] <fALSO> "ohhh is JIT, the best thing yet, etc"
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[16:06] <piless> fALSO: It's not actually java though.
[16:06] <mkopack> I swear, everyone LOVES to Hate Java, but they NEVER can give a good reason why it's "so bad"
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[16:06] <fALSO> "you only need a mobile phone with quad core, and 10gb of ram"
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[16:06] <mkopack> Flash - flash is SHIT, yet they ALL insist on needing it, but Java - Hate for no good reason
[16:06] <fALSO> ahhh and there is no updates
[16:06] <fALSO> enjoy android
[16:06] <Matt> mkopack: you should talk to my old computer languages lecturer :)
[16:07] <Matt> he had lots of reasons why java was bad
[16:07] <piless> quad core phones and dual core for that matter aren't actually better than their single core counterparts in real usage
[16:07] <mkopack> Matt: Faults can be found with ANY language
[16:07] <Matt> but then again, he had lost of reason why pretty much everything was bad :)
[16:07] <fALSO> well
[16:07] <fALSO> anyone knows
[16:07] <mkopack> That doesn't mean that it's not also VERY useful and powerful
[16:07] <fALSO> that java is slow
[16:07] <Drazyl> there is nothing wrong with java that a decent compiler couldn't sort :)
[16:07] <Matt> he was a big fan of Eiffel
[16:07] <fALSO> wherever it is
[16:07] <mkopack> fALSO: BS
[16:07] <piless> Okay, it's official. fALSO is a troll
[16:07] <fALSO> im just not a android lover
[16:07] <fALSO> because the hype says its the best thing
[16:07] <Matt> and later on, C#
[16:07] <fALSO> because it isnt
[16:08] <mkopack> Check some of the more recent, Like last 5 years, benchmarks - is it slower than C/C++ yes, but NOWHERE NEAR as much as stuff like Python or Perl...
[16:08] <fALSO> one other nice thing with android/java
[16:08] <Matt> I never really touched C#, but from what I've seen, it does look like a nice enough language
[16:08] <fALSO> the mobile baterry
[16:08] <Drazyl> all the hype I've seen about android says it's a workable alternative to the iphone
[16:08] <fALSO> lasts A LOT OF TIME :-P
[16:08] <Drazyl> not "the best thing"
[16:08] <aditsu> I used to hate java because it was slow... back in the java 1.2 days
[16:08] <fALSO> its still slow
[16:08] <piless> Matt c# is .net right?
[16:08] <fALSO> memory hog
[16:08] <mkopack> Matt: It's basically "Java with MS shit lumped on top"??? If you can do Java you can do C# in a couple days
[16:08] <piless> and mono
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[16:09] <Matt> mkopack: there's more too it than that from the language design aspect, from what our lecturer had to say
[16:09] <Matt> and he was a language design nut
[16:09] <aditsu> since 1.4 and especially 5 I think it's pretty snappy
[16:09] <Matt> that was a long time ago tho :)
[16:09] <Matt> so I don't remember much of it
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[16:09] <mkopack> Eh, there was some stuff that was missing, and no, Java isn't a panacea of computing languages, but NONE are
[16:10] <aditsu> especially in the parts that matter
[16:10] <piless> Matt: What does he think of LOLCODE?
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[16:10] <Matt> mkopack: both my 3rd year and 4th year(MEng) projects were in JAva
[16:11] <Matt> so ~10 years ago, I was actually about to write decent java code :)
[16:11] <piless> HAI
[16:11] <piless> CAN HAS STDIO?
[16:11] <mkopack> Hold on, let me find it
[16:11] <Matt> it's now very rusty
[16:11] <Drazyl> KTHXBYE
[16:11] <Matt> much like my C
[16:11] <Matt> and my python
[16:11] <piless> PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"?
[16:11] <Matt> and pretty much every other language I used to write stuff in regularly
[16:11] <mkopack> Here we go, somebody posted this the other day...
[16:11] <mkopack> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=vw
[16:11] <piless> IM IN YR LOOP
[16:11] <mkopack> Java vs a number of other languages, running a series of benchmarks...
[16:12] <piless> IM OUTTA YR LOOP
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[16:12] <aditsu> I once made a similar language called "JOL" (for java and lol)
[16:12] <piless> IM IN YR LOOP UPPIN YR VAR TIL BOTH SAEM VAR AN 10
[16:12] <mkopack> Go compare to Java to your preferred. I think you'll be surprised.
[16:12] <aditsu> spent like 20 min :p
[16:12] <Matt> although my bash and sh scripting is still pretty hot :)
[16:12] <zgreg> mkopack: in what way? you want to say that java is pretty fast? :)
[16:12] <Matt> but that prolly says more about what I do for a living than anything
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[16:13] <mkopack> Now, does java use more memory than some languages. Yes. Does it take more code than SOME languages - yes, but it takes a lot less than some others.
[16:13] <piless> JAVA vs writing 1s and 0s by hand! GO!
[16:13] <zgreg> mkopack: well, it's no surprise that java is quite fast, IMHO
[16:14] <mkopack> zgreg: Just saying, People keep perpetuating this myth that java is slow, when it's really NOT??? especially compared to many of the languages that they then turn around and say are so much better
[16:14] <Matt> mkopack: also, it's a matter of comparing java the language versus java the implementation
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[16:14] <zgreg> yeah
[16:15] <zgreg> Matt: but on most platforms decent JITs are available nowadays
[16:15] <Matt> yes :)
[16:15] <Matt> but that's still overhead
[16:15] <mkopack> yes, it really requires a decent JIT.
[16:15] <mkopack> But once it's gone through the JIT, it's pretty damn fast code
[16:15] <zgreg> overhead? yes, but compiled code can be cached, and it's done on those platforms where it makes sense
[16:15] <piless> I'm going to sleep
[16:15] <mkopack> and there ARE some compilers out there that will compile to NATIVE assembly rather than Java Bytecode.
[16:15] <zgreg> i.e. android dalvik
[16:16] <piless> afternoon
[16:16] <Matt> mkopack: precisely
[16:16] <mkopack> That's typically frowned upon though because of the non-portability then
[16:16] <Matt> it's as portable as most other compiled languages
[16:16] <zgreg> plus, JITs can do much more dynamic optimizations and in some case they're actually faster than a regular compiler
[16:17] <Matt> mkopack: you should see some of the crap we had to work with fir our 4th year project :)
[16:17] <Matt> we spent half our time fixing bugs in the application that was meant to provide the base
[16:17] <mkopack> I think what a lot of the problems stem from is that, like any language, people can and have written some really HORRIBLY inefficient Java code.
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[16:18] <Matt> our 4th year project was actually pretty interesting
[16:18] <zgreg> also, swing is a really terrible I toolkit, and was also very sluggish in its earlier versions
[16:18] <zgreg> *UI
[16:19] <mkopack> You should have seen the SHIT skeleton Java code we were given for my programming languages class to build our interpreter + compiler from??? It was OBVIOUSLY something an undergrad wrote
[16:19] <fALSO> lol java
[16:19] <Matt> we were investigating the use of UML for development of system-on-a-chip systems
[16:19] <fALSO> you guys should code in java for the raspberry pi
[16:19] <fALSO> OH WAIT...
[16:19] <mkopack> I totally reworked the whole thing and gave it back to the prof as a new skeleton written to modern Java (5+) standards using Generics and such. WAY cleaner
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[16:20] <fALSO> is there a JVM for ARM ?
[16:20] <Matt> compiling capsules and statecharts into code
[16:20] <mkopack> YES there IS
[16:20] <Matt> spitting out java and systemc
[16:20] <mkopack> I've already installed it in the image thanks
[16:20] <fALSO> should run every program
[16:20] <fALSO> like you were on 1981
[16:20] <zgreg> Matt: systemc? ugh
[16:21] <Matt> mkopack: that was our problem - the code we were given for drawing the UML diagrams was clearly a whole bunch of undergrad projects
[16:21] <zgreg> systemc is such a horrible clusterfuck, damn
[16:21] <Matt> which had all been integrated together
[16:21] <zgreg> and, why didn't they call it systemc++?
[16:21] <mkopack> Yeah, see you ca write shit code in any language...
[16:21] <mkopack> That's not Java's fault??? Bad design is bad design
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[16:23] <zgreg> mkopack: some languages make it easy, though
[16:23] <zgreg> for example php :)
[16:23] <mkopack> Shudder
[16:23] <zgreg> why is such a horrible, horrible language so damn popular?
[16:23] <mkopack> (which one zgreg?)
[16:24] <DDave> php?
[16:24] <DDave> is sexy.
[16:24] <conra> sux
[16:24] <DDave> You arent worthy of using it, thats all :D
[16:24] <mkopack> Eh, the syntax is just HIDEOUS IMO
[16:24] <DDave> After you've written some assembler....php is cute
[16:24] <DDave> :D
[16:24] <mkopack> hehe
[16:24] <zgreg> no, php is definitely a very badly and inconsistently designed language
[16:24] <DDave> Its like beeeep with a fatty
[16:24] <DDave> :p
[16:24] <mkopack> LOL
[16:24] <DDave> Any thin girl is hot compared to her.
[16:25] <Matt> then there's the mindset amongst perl folks
[16:25] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp
[16:25] <DDave> Yes thats true...specially with their packages..
[16:25] <Matt> about writing code in the most compact way possible
[16:25] <Matt> which makes it totally unreadable
[16:25] <mkopack> Matt: amen??? I HATE that
[16:25] <zgreg> Matt: well, perl is special (and I don't like it), but at least perl is mostly consistent and makes sense
[16:25] <Matt> aye
[16:25] <Matt> although I tend to go to python as my scripting language of choice
[16:25] <mkopack> Likewise, Matt
[16:26] <Matt> once it doesn't make sense to do something in bash
[16:26] <mkopack> Python for scripting, Java for bigger stuff, C++ if I need absolute speed
[16:26] <Matt> and TBH, most things can be done in bash with unix tools :)
[16:26] <mkopack> (which isn't very often)
[16:26] <zgreg> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ <-- this is a very interesting post
[16:26] <zgreg> some of the issues and bugs in php are plain unbelievable
[16:27] <zgreg> and also some of the code in php is absolute crap
[16:27] <zgreg> look at this: http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html
[16:27] <mkopack> hehe, Facebook for instance!
[16:27] <zgreg> this is how php developers tried to fix an integer overflow error
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[16:29] <DDave> zgreg: nice article
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[16:40] <stuk_gen> ok i think i have problem with lcd...or the problem is the lcd or the beagleboard. If i connect hdmi-dvi i can correct see on monitor an boot logo and angstrom run. if i use only lcd raw i see only strange row
[16:41] <stuk_gen> ops
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[16:46] <mkopack> stuk_gen: hehe wrong room :)
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[16:50] <Compy> Glad to see element14/newark has theirs.
[16:50] <M0RBD> ...
[16:51] <mkopack> Hopefully we'll start to see some shipping!!!
[16:51] <Compy> Indeed! I'm psyched.
[16:52] <M0RBD> zgreg: I have known this regarding php bugs since the late 90s... It has not changed today either.
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[16:52] <M0RBD> mkopack: they better hurry!
[16:52] <M0RBD> I'm gettin withdrawal symptoms... I need somthing to hack
[16:52] <mkopack> eh, it comes when it comes...
[16:53] <M0RBD> heh
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[17:04] <mkopack> Well, just checked my Newark status, no change. Still showing Augh 15
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[17:08] <OneFix_Work> So, anymore word on when the first rPis will staart shipping?
[17:09] <fALSO> LOL
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[17:09] <fALSO> when hell freezes over
[17:09] <OneFix_Work> fALSO: Actually, the twitter feed says next week...
[17:09] <OneFix_Work> I
[17:10] <OneFix_Work> I'm really interested in when the 2nd and 3rd batches are going to be shipping
[17:11] <OneFix_Work> The first 10k have been around for a while...I'm interested in seeing how long RS and Farnell take to get up-to-speed
[17:12] <zgreg> supposedly, the next batches will be really huge
[17:12] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Yea, but the question is when and who will be first (RS or Farnell)
[17:13] <zgreg> "On schedule to begin shipping next week!"
[17:13] <zgreg> oh reddit, you so funny
[17:13] <zgreg> "on schedule" :D
[17:13] <fALSO> LOL
[17:13] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: I thought that was only the first 2000 units
[17:14] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: I think the other 8000 will quickly follow
[17:14] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Ok, but the big question is how long until number 10,001 gets made...
[17:14] <zgreg> yes, definitely
[17:15] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Because there are supposedly millions of orders waiting to be filled...so most people are unlikely to see a unit from the first 10k
[17:15] <zgreg> you'll have plenty of time to polish your python in the meantime
[17:15] <zgreg> millions? I doubt that
[17:15] <zgreg> maybe 200k
[17:16] <fALSO> lol
[17:16] <fALSO> the time would be better wasted on POLISHING anothing
[17:17] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Maybe, but even with 200k, 10k will be like 5% of the whole orders
[17:17] <zgreg> yeah
[17:17] <zgreg> and I'm pretty sure we'll see plenty of disappointed people
[17:17] <zgreg> that cannot understand why the pi is so much slower than their desktop pc, etc.
[17:17] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: And I'm more interested in polishing my perl, since I think perl has better modules available for it
[17:18] <zgreg> CPAN is definitely huge, but the quality of the modules varies a lot
[17:18] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Hopefully that means there will be a fairly robust "slightly used" market
[17:18] <zgreg> I don't think perl has an advantage here
[17:19] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Agreed, but in general, I can whip uo a quick Perl script quicker than a Python script
[17:19] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: maybe, but it's still a bit sad. also, with the huge demand, I don't think this second-hand market will be good for getting a pi for cheap.
[17:20] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Well, at least the makers will have a cool toy
[17:20] <flaushy> i will have access to one next week :)
[17:20] <zgreg> flaushy: really?
[17:20] <flaushy> a mate of mine is getting it
[17:20] <flaushy> he had to pay at rs and i was charged
[17:20] <zgreg> well, supposedly :D
[17:20] <flaushy> so he is pretty close ^^
[17:21] <OneFix_Work> flaushy: Well, I wouldn't bet on it until it ships...they could have just charged you, knowing that they would have them within a month.
[17:21] <flaushy> right
[17:21] <flaushy> but this week was pretty awesome for me, so it might fit in ;)
[17:22] <OneFix_Work> flaushy: I suspect that a week from now, we will know a lot more about the shipments.
[17:23] <flaushy> right
[17:23] <flaushy> but at least it seems to be on the right track
[17:23] <OneFix_Work> flaushy: If my expectations are right, I'm going to guess that the first run from RS or Farnell will be done too.
[17:24] <flaushy> OneFix_Work: yepe i think so too
[17:24] <OneFix_Work> flaushy: Which would mean a week or two until everyone starts getting theirs.
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[17:27] <flaushy> OneFix_Work: yepe
[17:27] <chronofast> I'm guessing more like 3+ for areas outside of the UK
[17:27] <flaushy> chronofast: i am germany based
[17:27] <flaushy> the mate is too
[17:28] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: Nope, the indication is that the next batches will get going China -> Country rather than China -> UK -> Country
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[17:29] <chronofast> OneFix_Work ! that's great news!
[17:29] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: So, for instance, Newark in the US should be getting shipments direct from China.
[17:29] <chronofast> just great, I absolutly assumed they would all go via UK
[17:29] <chronofast> ahh, wonderful
[17:31] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: Nah, the first batch is that way, because it all has to go through the foundation, but it just makes sense to ship everything to the country that it's being sold from...now the first run from the factories might go to the UK for QA testing, but the indication is that there is QA testing being done in China
[17:32] <chronofast> so if that's the case, and they are doing constant production instead of batch, we could be looking at < 2 weeks, good stuff
[17:32] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: That's the theory...
[17:33] <chronofast> ahhh from an estimated december 2011 to now a may 2012
[17:34] <OneFix_Work> Well, that's not bad considering all of the setbacks that have happened
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[17:35] <chronofast> is it not bad? seems to me like inexperience to me
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[17:35] <chronofast> not that I could have even come close, let alone better, don't get me wrong
[17:36] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: Well, that too...but I guess it means that they should be better at getting the Model-A and the GertBoard out then.
[17:36] <chronofast> i'd think so, and the RPv2 as well
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[17:38] <OneFix_Work> chronofast: Well, I haven't heard any indications of an upgrade yet...presumably, that would be more processor cores and more memory
[17:39] <chronofast> I'd go the other way, make it even more ubiquitous and cheaper, lower end gpu, smaller size, etc
[17:40] <chronofast> something like $15, something that could be shoved into just about anything to make it 'smart'
[17:41] <chronofast> but that's all conjecture and speculation and really doesn't matter
[17:41] <chronofast> i'm just glad i'll finally get one sooner than later
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[17:53] <mkopack> Yeah, I'd be surprised if at least some of us don't have them in hand by the end of the month.
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[17:54] <zgreg> but I want my pi now!
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[17:55] <Matt> that depends on how quick the channel was in ordering
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[17:55] <deafanon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17703852
[17:56] <deafanon> "First Raspberry Pi computers to be delivered - The first batch of Raspberry Pi computers are being issued to users."
[17:56] <WASDx> Oh how newsarticles always get it wrong
[17:56] <M0RBD> I can hear "But it does not run Windows 7" what have I actually ordered...
[17:57] <WASDx> they even contradict themselves in those two sentences
[17:57] <mkopack> WASDx: yeah that article has a number of errors in it
[17:57] <WASDx> As usual
[17:57] <deafanon> "A spokesperson for Premier Farnell said it was due to get a large batch of machines delivered on 13 April and would be sending them out to customers on Friday. Those who were the first to order a Pi should get their gadget within seven days of them being sent out, she said."
[17:57] <deafanon> that had better not be one of the errors in that article
[17:58] <M0RBD> 7 days.. is this to the UK? Must be RoyalSnail
[17:58] <mkopack> "It runs ONE version of the Linux operating system" - wrong
[17:58] <mkopack> "It comes in 2 varieties - with and without networking connector" - WRONG (at least right now)
[17:58] <M0RBD> mkopack: at least good that they did not write It only runs Ubuntu
[17:58] <M0RBD> :D
[17:59] <mkopack> yeah true
[17:59] <zgreg> canonical would kill the autors :D
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[17:59] <zgreg> *authors
[17:59] <_av500_> "with and without not-working connector"
[17:59] <_av500_> seems more plausible
[17:59] <M0RBD> I dont know why ... but I like to call Ubuntu Umbongo
[17:59] <M0RBD> :D
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[18:01] <Matt> they drink it in the congo
[18:02] <M0RBD> Heh
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[18:04] <aditsu> Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning "I can't configure Debian"
[18:05] <ironzorg> "Debian" meaning "My dependencies are retarded"
[18:05] <zgreg> that joke stopped being funny about five years ago :D
[18:05] <M0RBD> Debian has always worked fine for me.. used it since 94
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[18:06] <chronofast> does debian offer any enterprise support?
[18:06] <zgreg> ubuntu at least doesn't have a retarded policy like debian
[18:06] <M0RBD> such as
[18:06] <zgreg> the debian policy is really harmful in some ways
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[18:07] <zgreg> M0RBD: such as, no no upstream versions in a stable release channel. which leads to the horrible backport mess.
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[18:08] <zgreg> i.e. debian packages often include *huge* patchsets that fix various bugs, instead of just updating to a new bugfix upstream release
[18:08] <zgreg> patching the old version is error-prone, a lot of work, and does not help with transparency
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[18:08] <zgreg> essentially, you could say that debian more or less forks a software
[18:10] <M0RBD> Yeah I have heard what you are saying before..
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[18:10] <M0RBD> You need to infiltrate their commitee to makes some changes then..
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[18:11] <Drazyl> no, that's not the way it is done, you should complain loudly on IRC and any forums you can find
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[18:13] <chronofast> or if you're talking about ubuntu: hold your fucking tongue cause anything you say will be disregarded no matter what.
[18:14] <M0RBD> chronofast: that is my experience.
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[18:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/element14news/status/190805212947152896/photo/1
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[18:42] <zgreg> is liz half-asian or something?
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[18:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I think so
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> Looked a bit hawaaian to me.
[18:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> chinese / english [or welsh not 100% sure]
[18:48] <pdp7> i like that they are just deliver with their car :)
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't look like they'd get 2K in that boot
[18:48] <zgreg> + back seats, etc. probably
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[18:49] <pdp7> yeah, i guess split between e14 and rs its <1000 each
[18:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> (The nice thing about the Raspberry Pi is that it???s so tiny, you can easily fit a thousand in an estate car at a time if you put the back seats down.) We won???t have
[18:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[18:49] <pdp7> anyone try out the compiled binaries in https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware ?
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[18:50] <zgreg> pdp7: you cannot do much with these without a raspberry pi...
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[18:51] <pdp7> trying to test wifi adapters on a beta board. had a d'oh moment when someone pointed out all the compiled kernel modules are in the firmware repo. there isn't much on the debian image and i'd been trying to compile from source.
[18:51] <zgreg> by the way, is there any progress with hardfp?
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[18:52] <zgreg> would be nice to see a fully hardfp'd distribution, to take as much out of the pi as possible
[18:52] <zgreg> the cpu is so slow that hardfp will likely make a good difference
[18:53] <pdp7> good to hear... shell and apt have been quick, but midori was painfully slow. i figure good amount of optimization will get done.
[18:54] <chronofast> isn't that what hexxeh was working on?
[18:54] <zgreg> pdp7: web browsers will never be fast
[18:55] <M0RBD> lynx
[18:55] * M0RBD runs
[18:55] <zgreg> by today's standards that is not a web browser :D
[18:55] <M0RBD> I know a bloke that does everything in emacs
[18:55] <M0RBD> :D
[18:55] <gobby> Linus? ;)
[18:55] <M0RBD> no
[18:56] <M0RBD> he's older and harier
[18:56] <M0RBD> hairier evn
[18:56] <M0RBD> haha
[18:56] <pdp7> i think links/lynx would be best
[18:56] <pdp7> kinda like when you are in server room and need to do a quick google
[18:56] <pdp7> only real way i found to troubleshoot pi is logged in via
[18:57] <pdp7> and i can have gobs of tabs open on my workstation
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[18:58] <SpeedEvil> Firefox on my n900 isn't _that_ bad.
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> And it's got less RAM.
[18:58] <fALSO> LOL
[18:58] <fALSO> takes what
[18:58] <fALSO> 1 day to start?
[18:58] <zgreg> the n900 has 256 MB, just like the raspberry pi
[18:59] * SpeedEvil reboots memory.
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> oops - I thought pi was 512
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> From memory, around 15 seconds from cold
[18:59] <fALSO> the pi for reals has 128mb
[18:59] <fALSO> because those 256mb are shared with the graphics card
[19:00] <fALSO> that uses 128mb
[19:00] <fALSO> but that doesnt matter for anything :-P
[19:00] <fALSO> what im liking more is the marketing hype
[19:00] <fALSO> "the children are waiting to start to learn programming with the pi"
[19:00] <M0RBD> fALSO: really
[19:00] <M0RBD> :D
[19:00] <fALSO> well... there are computers for a few years now
[19:00] <zgreg> fALSO: meh
[19:00] <fALSO> where they can program
[19:00] <zgreg> fALSO: not *this* shit again
[19:01] <fALSO> :-P
[19:01] <zgreg> the amount of memory dedicated to the GPU is not fixed at 128 MB
[19:01] <M0RBD> Where have all the 4k demos gone.
[19:01] <fALSO> and i bet that the binary driver of the GPU
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[19:01] <fALSO> allows you to change it
[19:01] <fALSO> LOL
[19:01] <zgreg> most configurations will likely use 64 MB for the GPU, and it's possible to configure it down to 32 MB
[19:02] <fALSO> and then have a 320x240 resolution?
[19:02] <zgreg> M0RBD: at demoparties
[19:02] <zgreg> fALSO: nah, I think 32 MB is still enough for a 1080p framebuffer
[19:02] <M0RBD> zgreg: where! they are all gone as far I can ... now its all about gaming.
[19:02] <fALSO> i doubt , but lets wait and see
[19:03] <zgreg> but opengl es and video decoding will not work correctly or with good performance, I assume
[19:03] <zgreg> M0RBD: I was at the biggest demoscene event last weekend
[19:03] <zgreg> M0RBD: revision 2012, in saarbr??cken... about 850 people attended
[19:03] <M0RBD> cool..
[19:04] <M0RBD> My point is that this was more common in the past..
[19:04] <M0RBD> Does anyone remember this:
[19:04] <M0RBD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCW-axRJV8
[19:04] <M0RBD> :D
[19:04] <zgreg> I don't think so, the demoscene is very active
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[19:05] * M0RBD suspects the average age is 35+
[19:05] <zgreg> http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2012
[19:05] <M0RBD> :D
[19:05] <zgreg> lol
[19:05] <zgreg> although the scene did age a bit, recently some newcomers have appeared, so it's not that bad :)
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[19:06] <M0RBD> Geeks
[19:06] <M0RBD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIBRr31DIU
[19:06] <M0RBD> :D
[19:06] <M0RBD> Yeah..
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[19:07] <M0RBD> I wonder what happend to Rob Hubbard.
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[19:07] <zgreg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IgUuwrQKno
[19:07] <zgreg> winning amiga 64k intro
[19:07] <zgreg> killer soundtrack
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[19:08] <pdp7> zgreg: funny you should say n900, as i'm an owner and had been thinking of the RPi in that context. the N900 processor is better but the memory is the same.
[19:09] <M0RBD> I'm happy with my N900
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[19:09] <pdp7> i feel bad admitting i moved on to android
[19:09] <M0RBD> zgreg: good one
[19:09] <pdp7> didn't even get full 2 years out of my $600 ;\
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> I've looked into upgrading the RAM on my n900, but I couldn't source the chip.
[19:09] <haltdef> you'll have to pry my n900 from my cold dead hands
[19:09] <M0RBD> demo... unts-chack-unts..
[19:10] <pdp7> haltdef: cheers... i still feel guilty
[19:10] <pdp7> off topic, but i hold a huge grudge against nokia mgmt. a great thing ruined.
[19:10] <M0RBD> pdp7: no s**t
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> pdp7: Indeed.
[19:10] * SpeedEvil looks at his n950
[19:10] <chronofast> I was thinking of more the G1, 528MHz Arm11, 192MB of Ram
[19:10] <pdp7> i was feeling angry to see nokia gets 400 of the first 2000 rpi's
[19:11] <M0RBD> I know a few a folks that got laid off due to e-flopp and co
[19:11] <pdp7> i'm sure there's still cool people there but i'm really mad at their mgmt
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[19:11] <SpeedEvil> pdp7: Well - they are still doing Qt
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> And in principle - meltmi might morph into something interesting.
[19:11] <pdp7> yeah, that's good... just hard to see past the sellout for windows
[19:11] <M0RBD> My problem with Android is its fragmentation..
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> M0RBD: indeed.
[19:12] <zgreg> pdp7: some of those Qt projects sound really crappy
[19:12] <M0RBD> If you are an Exchange user... or Zimbra for that sake.. There is no guarantee that your phone will work OK...
[19:12] <pdp7> yeah, i still like maemo better but when the company is doing everything to kill it's progress... i just decided to move on
[19:12] <M0RBD> when usin ActiveSync
[19:12] <zgreg> pdp7: plus, why are only Qt people/projects eligible? that is stupid
[19:12] <M0RBD> I honestly liked webos..
[19:13] <M0RBD> however HP's managment where as useless as Nokias..
[19:13] <pdp7> yeah, that does seem to be too narrowly focused
[19:13] <zgreg> and I think I never heard about the Qt raspberry pi developer program from the raspberry pi blog
[19:13] <chronofast> everyone who used webos liked it, just too few people used it
[19:13] <zgreg> they should have announced this, at least
[19:13] <pdp7> true, HP & nokia - experts in squandering mobile OS'es
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> To be fair, it's prob able that nokia kicked in some early cash for their units.
[19:14] <pdp7> chronofast: exactly, i think just like with maemo from my perspective
[19:14] <M0RBD> pdp7: true
[19:14] <chronofast> maemo, meego, webos, etc, all good to an extent, all bound to fail
[19:14] <pdp7> SpeedEvil: yeah that would make sense. in which case, their capital probably helped get the units made
[19:15] <zgreg> chronofast: you forget the latest fad... tizen :D
[19:15] <pdp7> yeah, i wouldn't say i love android, but it doesn't seem like any other Linux based OS has a shot
[19:15] <zgreg> with every iteration the name sounds more retarded
[19:15] <M0RBD> zgreg: who ever came up the name should be sacked :D
[19:15] <pdp7> haha, omg, tizen... like we'll ever see that on a phone
[19:15] <M0RBD> with the name evn
[19:15] <chronofast> tizen, boottogecko, etc too
[19:16] <pdp7> and for me, on a US carrier... never paying full price again
[19:16] <zgreg> boot to gecko doesn't look so bad, actually
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> :/
[19:16] <M0RBD> pdp7: to be frank you never know with the korean/chinese/japenese
[19:16] <pdp7> ah, good pint
[19:16] <zgreg> I'd say it has way more chances than tizen
[19:16] <pdp7> *point
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> M0RBD: Problem with the chinee is they don't understand GPL
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> 'OURS! ITS ALL OURS SEEEEEEKRIT'
[19:16] <pdp7> yeah, i think the biggest threat to android is the licensing fees to MS and maybe Apple too
[19:16] <M0RBD> SpeedEvil: yes that is really evident in the different GPL violations
[19:17] <M0RBD> more closed source GFX drivers for ARM devices
[19:17] <chronofast> Someone needs to completely fork android, bring it back to it's linux roots, maybe that'll be boot to gecko, but probably not
[19:17] <pdp7> at some point Android is too expensive and manuf might turn elsewhere
[19:17] <chronofast> an android auto-updating repo for system components
[19:17] <zgreg> chronofast: "bring it back to its linux roots"? what do you mean?
[19:17] <chronofast> what I just said
[19:17] <chronofast> give me a sec on a link
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> Closed source graphics drivers are not so much the point.
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> We can live with blobs.
[19:18] <chronofast> full glibc in android: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299962
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> In principle the vibrant device economy in china should be awesome for open-source.
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[19:18] <zgreg> google does not want to deal with upstream bullshit, for good reason :)
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> There is a real chance to get open-source on some handsets in relatively small volumes.
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> But - culturally it's a mess.
[19:19] <M0RBD> sure, I suspect the reason they keep back alot of drivers is that it would only divulge that they copied from others..
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[19:20] <zgreg> the issue with linux is that many projects aren't exactly open to contributors, or have crazy code standards
[19:20] <M0RBD> In a world without walls and fences... Why do we need Windows and Gates..
[19:20] <zgreg> that includes the linux kernel and many vital components, such as glibc
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[19:20] <M0RBD> zgreg: that is very unfortunately true
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[19:20] <haltdef> I don't get it
[19:21] <haltdef> this is not a world without walls and fences
[19:21] <zgreg> google doesn't want to deal with the immense overhead of dealing with the upstream of various projects, and that is why they implement so much on their own
[19:22] <zgreg> for the same reason, canonical is now doing their own desktop, unity
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[19:23] <zgreg> they tried to collaborate with gnome, but it didn't work
[19:23] <chronofast> collaborate or force?
[19:23] <markus> force
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[19:24] <M0RBD> Anyway need to pick someone up from the station..
[19:25] <M0RBD> Before I go, what's your thought about Chronium
[19:25] <zgreg> the browser?
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[19:25] <markus> FF rules
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[19:27] <zgreg> firefox recently started getting better indeed
[19:27] <zgreg> it's now the most memory efficient browser
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[19:27] <tomtiger11> I wonder if my PI will be dispatched this weekend
[19:27] <zgreg> and that's my beef with chrome/chromium, it is a memory hog
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[19:29] <zgreg> https://areweslimyet.com/
[19:29] <mkopack> zgreg: doesn't help that the size of the average web page has exploded exponentially in the last 10 years either
[19:30] <zgreg> yeah
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Also it's gotten more complex.
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Whith huge chunks of javascript and flash
[19:30] <zgreg> I often hear people complain that browsers have gotten bloated in the last years
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> You absolutely need something like the advanced JIT javascript engines.
[19:30] <zgreg> the browsers aren't bloated. the web is!
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> And those may not work on ARM
[19:31] <zgreg> they do
[19:31] <tomtiger11> Has anyone got their Pi yet?
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> They diddn't - glad to hear it's changed
[19:32] <zgreg> well, at least V8 and SpiderMonkey have fully functional ARM ports
[19:32] <mkopack> tom, no...
[19:32] <mkopack> Next week at the earliest??? Sit tight and relax
[19:32] <zgreg> and these are the JS engines used by chrome and firefox
[19:32] <mkopack> you'll get it when you get it
[19:33] <tomtiger11> mkopack: Lol
[19:33] <mkopack> And honestly, unless you were in like that very first hour of orders, chances are you won't be getting it for at least a couple weeks
[19:34] <mkopack> Hexxeh should have his sometime early/mid next week, that they sent him for Dev work...
[19:34] <mkopack> He'll probably be the first of us here to get one
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[19:35] <tomtiger11> mkopack: My estimated date is 23rd
[19:35] <mkopack> From WHO?
[19:35] <mkopack> Which country?
[19:35] <mkopack> when did you order?
[19:35] <tomtiger11> Farnell / UK
[19:35] <mkopack> And when did you get that date given to you?
[19:35] <Meatballs-> I just want the tee shirt.
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[19:37] <mkopack> Tom?
[19:37] <tomtiger11> mkopack: First day, evening - Just checking date
[19:37] <mkopack> When were you told that 23th estimated date?
[19:38] <mkopack> 23rd
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[19:39] <tomtiger11> mkopack: Jusr checking
[19:40] <tomtiger11> Well, outlook isnt starting, but it was within 1 day of ordering
[19:40] <mkopack> So, wait a sec...
[19:40] <Meatballs> I put my order within 15 mins of getting the pre-order email from farnell on the 3rd March, estimated delivery update on Tues 20th was 'Mid May'
[19:40] <tomtiger11> lol
[19:41] <mkopack> You ordered the evening of the 29th, you received an estimated ship date of April 23 at that time? (or like within 24 hours of then) ?
[19:41] <tomtiger11> yh
[19:41] <mkopack> Yeah, um, GOOD LUCK getting yours on the 23rd.
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[19:42] <mkopack> Those dates were based on the expectations that they'd start shipping the first orders out that first week in MARCH.
[19:42] <mkopack> They have to clear all the ones that were supposed to ship in March and early April before they even get to yours.
[19:42] <mkopack> Unless you've received an email in the last 2 days with an updated shipment date, I wouldn't hold my breath thinking that it's coming on the 23rd
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[19:43] <mkopack> That said, some people are posting that they're starting to get emails with tracking numbers for theirs??? so it looks like the first ones ARE on the way out the door
[19:43] <mchou> mkopack: ars is pumping it up like it's the 2nd coming of Christ
[19:43] <mkopack> hehe
[19:44] <mchou> I got say one thing
[19:44] <mkopack> they're going to be in for a HUGE disappointment when people get them and realize how slow it is compared to every other machine they've used in the last 10 years, and that it won't run windows or XYZ software
[19:44] <tomtiger11> I don't want mine to be quick
[19:44] <mchou> RPF may be engineering f'ups but they sure know how to do PR
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[19:44] <mkopack> any PR is good PR ? :) ?
[19:44] <hamitron> mkopack, I'm waiting for the ebay sales now ;)
[19:45] <mkopack> hehe
[19:45] <mkopack> Tom is nuts if he thinks he's getting his on the 23rd! LOL
[19:45] <hamitron> why pay $35, when you can pay $25?
[19:45] <hamitron> ;/
[19:53] <rm> mkopack, and that's not even mentioning the lack of accelerated Xorg
[19:54] <mkopack> yeah, true
[19:54] <mkopack> Kids like the ones they've shown it to for simple programming classes might find it fun and interesting, but most hard core users are going to see it as highly underpowered
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[19:55] <hamitron> mkopack, you saying all of us wanting one only do "simple programming"? :/
[19:56] <mkopack> heh, no, but the folks in here I think have gained a realistic concept of the performance and capabilities. Most have not
[19:56] <hamitron> yeh :)
[19:57] <hamitron> I do wonder what price the 2nd hand market will level off at
[19:57] <_av500_> mkopack: heh you start to sound like me
[19:57] <hamitron> with initial limited supplies and stuff
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[19:59] <mkopack> _av500_: heh, I'm just a lot more realistic about the performance after 1) running the Debian build inside the QEMU sim and 2) running the Ubuntu image on the PandaboardES??? I realize now that I shouldn't expect blazing speed out of the RPi
[19:59] <hamitron> my p120 still feels fast :/
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[19:59] <hamitron> just all depends on what you do with it
[20:00] <mkopack> Exactly
[20:00] <haltdef> mkopack, I had kubuntu installed on my panda
[20:00] <haltdef> usb hd, omap4 extras installed and behaving
[20:00] <haltdef> omg slow
[20:01] <mkopack> yeah, the Ubuntu build seems REALLY slow..
[20:01] <hamitron> to be fair to the panda board
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[20:01] <hamitron> most Ubuntu builds feel slow ;)
[20:01] <haltdef> KDE might just be a bit heavy for it
[20:01] <mkopack> I found the Debian image for it, very stripped to the bone, but super super fast??? BUt I couldn't tell if it had the drivers and such installed or not...
[20:01] <haltdef> seemed IO was the issue
[20:02] <mkopack> yeah??? I need to look into how to run it all off a USB HD rather than the SD card. Seems like SD is the major performance bottleneck
[20:02] <hamitron> hell, even usb 1.1 is better than SD
[20:02] <hamitron> :D
[20:02] <Hexxeh> anyone else get a dispatch email from farnell?
[20:03] <Hexxeh> i lol, my farnell one will be here before the dev one as it turns out :P
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: err - no
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: SD will go at 12 megabytes/s
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> USB1.1 goes at 12 megabits/sec
[20:03] <hamitron> that is all numbers
[20:03] <hamitron> ;/
[20:04] <hamitron> I'd rather use a drive, than some SD card
[20:04] <hamitron> can make regular writes to it
[20:04] <Hexxeh> do UPS let you hold stuff at the depot if it gets there by saturday to pick it up?
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[20:05] <Hexxeh> it should be at the local depot by tomorrow, if they'll let me i'll collect it to get it a couple days early
[20:05] <mkopack> Hexxeh: If you call and give them the tracking number in advance of it getting put on a truck, then usually yes
[20:05] <Hexxeh> awesome
[20:05] <mkopack> I've done that in the past...
[20:05] <hamitron> won't they have closed now?
[20:05] <mkopack> They'll hold it in the cage near the counter so they can find it quickly
[20:05] <hamitron> 7pm
[20:06] <Hexxeh> main number is open till 8pm
[20:06] <flaushy> Hexxeh: congrats :)
[20:06] <mkopack> Good luck!
[20:07] <hamitron> yeh, gl
[20:07] <mkopack> just be sure to give us all accounts on it so we can SSH in and play :)
[20:07] <mkopack> LOL
[20:07] <hamitron> as we all try to compile the kernel at once
[20:07] <flaushy> right :)
[20:07] <hamitron> ;)
[20:08] <flaushy> review via SSH: damn this thing is slow ^^
[20:08] <hamitron> hehe
[20:08] <mkopack> LOL
[20:08] <hamitron> "1st r-pi to suffer DDoS"
[20:09] <aditsu> load average: over 9000
[20:09] <DaQatz> Nice they are starting to ship then =)
[20:09] <mkopack> Yeah, because 5 of us tried to log in at the same time running just an SSH Shell :)
[20:09] <mkopack> DaQatz: Yup, seems like it.. some are getting tracking #'s ad such
[20:09] <mkopack> Now, I'd like to hear if anyone OUTSIDE the UK has gotten tracking info yet
[20:09] <mkopack> or are they only shipping them to UK folks
[20:10] <DaQatz> They may do UK first
[20:10] <DaQatz> Would not surprise me.
[20:10] <hamitron> imo it makes more sense
[20:10] <hamitron> then if they all need returning....
[20:10] <hamitron> ;)
[20:11] <mkopack> LOL
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[20:11] <It_sean> :.
[20:12] <flaushy> moin
[20:12] <mkopack> I have to say I'm a bit annoyed that I haven't heard anything from RS even though I registered interest that first time at like 0601 GMT on the 29th
[20:12] <flaushy> mkopack: it is worse... farnell called me 3 days ago (i missed the call)
[20:12] <mkopack> other than the usual status updates
[20:12] <mkopack> and yes, I checked my spam folder
[20:12] <flaushy> i called back.... "we don't know why we called you"
[20:13] <mkopack> flaushy: It sounds like a lot of those were "marketing" calls...
[20:13] <Hexxeh> interesting
[20:13] <mkopack> from what people are posting
[20:13] <flaushy> mkopack: thx
[20:13] <Hexxeh> called UPS, got through to a rather helpful chap
[20:13] <mkopack> and?
[20:13] <Hexxeh> apparently Farnell deliver them directly to UPS Tamworth main depot
[20:13] <flaushy> mkopack: still sucks to take advantage of that situation
[20:13] <Hexxeh> they've not actually been taken there yet
[20:13] <Hexxeh> and are unlikely to be taken there today
[20:13] <Hexxeh> so really, even though they've said they've shipped, they haven't
[20:14] <flaushy> uh
[20:14] <mkopack> So Hexxeh No Can Haz Pi
[20:14] <hamitron> so basically, there are really no signs the r-pi's even exist? :|
[20:14] <hamitron> ;)
[20:14] <Hexxeh> meh, my dev one might arrive tomorrow in the post
[20:14] <It_sean> ...
[20:14] <mkopack> how's the new laptop Sean?
[20:15] <hamitron> is it not greedy to order one, when you are getting a dev one also?
[20:15] <flaushy> it has dots ^^
[20:15] <hamitron> ;/
[20:15] <It_sean> Mako pack, awesome. Thanks fer askin
[20:15] <It_sean> Damn autocorrect
[20:15] <mkopack> lol np
[20:15] <It_sean> I'm on my iPad
[20:15] <flaushy> what did you buy It_sean?
[20:15] <It_sean> The insecure network at the office is down.
[20:15] <Hexxeh> hamitron: i ordered the Farnell one on launch
[20:15] <mkopack> ah
[20:15] <It_sean> Flaushy, ThinkPad x220 T
[20:16] <Hexxeh> I assumed it was going to take ages to arrive, so I asked Liz if I could get a dev one
[20:16] <Hexxeh> Didn't think they'd end up arriving almost at the same time
[20:16] <hamitron> k :)
[20:16] <Hexxeh> So yeah, apparently they're all being delivered on Monday
[20:16] <flaushy> nice
[20:16] <hamitron> feel free to post me one ;)
[20:16] <It_sean> T'is
[20:16] <Hexxeh> The UPS guy knew it was a Raspberry Pi etc, seems they've been informed about it
[20:16] <It_sean> Quad core i5, 4 gigs of ram
[20:17] <flaushy> Hexxeh: maybe they fear riots ^^
[20:17] <hamitron> haha
[20:17] <It_sean> Good battery life
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[20:17] <It_sean> Greenest display
[20:17] <It_sean> *great
[20:17] <hamitron> stepped up security to stop people raiding the depot
[20:17] <mkopack> yeah, Apple does that when they have a new product coming out as well so UPS/FedEX can prepare for the deluge of people calling bitching about "Where's my package"
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[20:17] <Meatballs> faded star wars tee shirts lined up around the block
[20:17] <mkopack> LOL
[20:18] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Haha yeah, I've been that person a few times... :P
[20:18] <mkopack> hell, THOSE are collectors items
[20:18] <flaushy> hmm does it make sense to fire up some torrent seeds now?
[20:18] <flaushy> what do you think? (for the images)
[20:18] <mkopack> flaushy: New versions coming out this coming week...
[20:18] <flaushy> mkopack: perfect :)
[20:18] <mkopack> So probably doesn't make sense until the new ones are built
[20:19] <flaushy> give me a ping then, then i ll fire up a bunch of university seeds ^^
[20:19] <hamitron> no harm in seeding if you got the data anyway
[20:20] <hamitron> but I only got 180MB of my ISP limit left till Monday
[20:20] <hamitron> :(
[20:20] <flaushy> hamitron: ouch
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> I've only got 15GB left till midnight.
[20:20] <It_sean> Ouch
[20:20] <It_sean> What can you even DO with 180mb!?
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: opera is handy
[20:21] <flaushy> It_sean: get dossed by a grps :P
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[20:21] <mkopack> I haven't seen or heard squat about the Fedora one since they initially released it??? Only that it has bugs??? No news, no update, no nothing
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: get it, and use the compressing proxy, while turning off images
[20:21] <hamitron> for sure I won't be loading the web browser much, with all those adverts ;)
[20:21] <hamitron> well, I'll live
[20:21] <hamitron> :)
[20:21] <mkopack> hamitron: Lynx to the rescue!
[20:21] <hamitron> haha
[20:21] <hamitron> yeh
[20:21] <It_sean> Heh
[20:22] <hamitron> or if I need to google stuff, will just ask people on IRC for answers ;)
[20:22] <mkopack> hehe
[20:22] * It_sean is using his iPad's 3G connection to IRC currently.
[20:22] <hamitron> I think I may get a nokia n900
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[20:22] <flaushy> hmm my bottleneck is my 54g wlan :/
[20:22] <hamitron> then I have a separate device for interwebs
[20:22] <mkopack> Ya know, I have NEVER turned on the 3G on my iPad 1 3G 64GB...
[20:23] <mkopack> If I end up upgrading at some point, I'm just getting the Wifi version
[20:23] <It_sean> I loooove the 3G
[20:23] <hamitron> if I ever get a device like that, will setup wifi
[20:23] <hamitron> :)
[20:23] <mkopack> I carry around a 4G hotspot, and use that for the Laptop, iPhone and iPad, so no point
[20:23] <mkopack> That way I only have to pay for 1 data plan instead of 3
[20:23] <It_sean> Ah
[20:24] <It_sean> Kinky
[20:24] <It_sean> This is my only data plan device, so...
[20:24] <hamitron> can't the iPhone provide internet to the other 2 devices?
[20:24] <mkopack> Reminds me, contract will be coming up soon on that 4G hotspot??? gonna need to start looking for a replacement soon??? LTE this time around??? This WiMax 4G is getting annoying
[20:24] <It_sean> Only if you pay extra for tethering
[20:24] <hamitron> pay extra? :|
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[20:24] <It_sean> Yup
[20:24] <mkopack> hamitron: Yeah, At&T charges you to tether??? a-holes
[20:25] <It_sean> You have to pay extra for the privilege of using what you already pay for
[20:25] <hamitron> oh ofc
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[20:25] <hamitron> foolish me for not realising this logic
[20:25] <hamitron> ;/
[20:25] <mkopack> They don't seem to get the idea that Data is Data, it doesn't matter if it's a laptop, phone or tablet pulling/pushing it???
[20:25] <mkopack> If I paid for 5GB/month it shouldn't matter if I'm using that on the Phone itself, or the phone is routing it for the laptop...
[20:25] <hamitron> so you couldn't even run a proxy server on your phone?
[20:26] <It_sean> Nyer
[20:26] <It_sean> *nyet
[20:26] <Matt> Approximate System VUPs Rating : 11.0 ( min: 11.0 max: 11.0 )
[20:26] <mkopack> Nope, they don't allow that
[20:26] <Matt> in a VM :)
[20:26] <aditsu> so, anybody installed Gentoo on a Pi yet?
[20:26] <hamitron> or maybe run putty on the iPhone (if it exists)
[20:27] <hamitron> aditsu, not got past gen1 yet
[20:27] <hamitron> ;/
[20:27] <mkopack> ok, gotta run to a meeting. Later guys
[20:27] <hamitron> damn slow cpu
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[20:27] <aditsu> hamitron: gen1?
[20:28] <Hexxeh> aditsu: pretty much yeah
[20:28] <Hexxeh> well
[20:28] <hamitron> gen-one, gen-too
[20:28] <hamitron> sorry ;D
[20:28] <Meatballs> badum tsch
[20:28] <Hexxeh> on qemu, but pretty much just need to swap the kernel out for the pi
[20:28] <aditsu> har har
[20:28] <markus> hello
[20:29] <markus> how can i make my joystick as a mouse?
[20:29] <markus> use it as a mouse
[20:29] <Matt> whee :)
[20:29] <Matt> ??? NODE ??? SOFTWARE ??? STATUS ???
[20:29] <Matt> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[20:29] <Matt> ??? NODE1 ??? VMS V7.2 ??? MEMBER ???
[20:29] <Matt> ??? NODE2 ??? VMS V7.2 ??? MEMBER ???
[20:29] <Matt> :)
[20:29] <Matt> ??? NODE3 ??? VMS V7.2 ??? MEMBER ???
[20:29] <hamitron> markus, there is some software to do it
[20:29] <hamitron> I personally found it really slow to move the cursor around
[20:29] <Matt> three simh/vax instances running inside a linux VM on ESXi 5.0 :)
[20:29] <flaushy> Matt: some things are better left dead...
[20:29] <hamitron> almost as bad as a touchpad :/
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[20:30] <aditsu> Hexxeh: cool, and hopefully soon on the real pi right?
[20:30] * Matt shows flaushy the OpenVMS-VAX 7.2 install CD and license PAKs
[20:30] <flaushy> ahhh^^
[20:31] <flaushy> didnt know it still gets developed
[20:31] <flaushy> that they even reached the cd age *duck*
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[20:32] <ghans> PiBot help
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[20:35] <Matt> flaushy: oh, current release is 8.x
[20:35] <Matt> for IA64
[20:35] <Matt> but I don't have any HP IA64 hardware
[20:36] <flaushy> right, they ported to every failing platform it seems :/
[20:36] <flaushy> alpha ports are there too
[20:36] <steve_rox> so i read they are finally dispatching pi's
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> They use a little guiotine.
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[20:41] <Hexxeh> aditsu: well chromeos is a priority for me, but i'll certainly do gentoo after
[20:41] <Probeus> Anyone heard something from farnell?
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[20:43] <Hexxeh> Probeus: dispatch notice?
[20:43] <Matt> flaushy: alpha was DEC's replacement for VAX
[20:43] <Probeus> You got one?
[20:43] <Hexxeh> yes
[20:43] <Matt> then Compaq bought DEC
[20:43] <Matt> then HP bought Compaq
[20:43] <aditsu> Hexxeh: what's chromeos like?
[20:43] <Matt> then HP ported it to IA64
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[20:44] <flaushy> Matt: ah right
[20:44] <flaushy> i loved the alphas long ago, their speed, yet never had one
[20:45] <Matt> apparently, as I just discovered, you can go download "FreeAXP" and emulate an alpha on your x86 system
[20:45] <Matt> windows only tho
[20:45] <Matt> which is a bit of a bugger
[20:45] <Matt> and simh haven't done AXP yet :)
[20:45] <flaushy> hmm i still have my 2 ultras here
[20:46] <flaushy> i just realize i dont have a monitor anymore :/
[20:46] <Hexxeh> aditsu: pretty cool
[20:47] <aditsu> Hexxeh: is it kinda like android? or more like linux? or what?
[20:47] <Hexxeh> linux
[20:47] <Hexxeh> it's just chrome
[20:47] <Hexxeh> you boot up, you get a chrome window
[20:47] <chronofast> http://adamusprime.tumblr.com/niccagehead
[20:49] <markus> hamitron: i want to control x11 with my gamepad
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[20:51] <chronofast> http://maketecheasier.com/qjoypad-keyboard-to-gamepad-mapping-for-linux/2010/05/03
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[20:55] <aditsu> Hexxeh: oh, linux with the chrome browser instead of a WM?
[20:55] <Hexxeh> essentially
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[21:00] <aditsu> Hexxeh: can you use it for development work?
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[21:04] <chronofast> chrome os: ctrl+alt+t = terminal / dev mode ctrl+alt+f2 same diff
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[21:09] <Hexxeh> not quite
[21:09] <Hexxeh> control-alt-t doesn't do anything anymore
[21:09] <Hexxeh> it used to open crosh
[21:10] <Hexxeh> whereas ctrl-alt-f2 switched to vt02
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[22:12] <M0RBD> Matt: Have you tried qemu-alpha?
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[22:15] <saltnpeppa> looks like any time now
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[22:16] <mkopack> back...
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[22:17] <saltnpeppa> First Raspberry Pi computers to be delivered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17703852
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[22:18] <saltnpeppa> there's a whole lot of forehead in the video
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[22:21] <mkopack> Eben is a bit of a chrome dome
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[22:28] <saltnpeppa> im just going to leave this here: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/462095160/PC_HDMI_HD_controller_board.html
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[23:22] <ReggieUK> so did anyone else get an email telling them that they'd get their pi in the week commencing 16th april?
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[23:24] * _av500_ is getting his hand-delivered tomorrow between 10 and 11
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[23:24] <OneFix_Work> ReggieUK: Does this mean the first batch of new rPis has already been produced?
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[23:27] <ReggieUK> ?
[23:29] <flaushy> OneFix_Work: no thinking in batches ^^
[23:30] <flaushy> ReggieUK: some have their rpi in the mail
[23:30] <ReggieUK> no idea, all it means is that my mate who ordered very early on the day via a captive farnell rep at a tradeshow is getting his next week
[23:30] <flaushy> a mate of mine got notice as well
[23:30] * selsinork has tracking number
[23:31] <selsinork> Scheduled Delivery:Monday, 16/04/2012
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[23:31] <flaushy> :)
[23:32] * flaushy wants his rpi to play around with some new stuff :)
[23:32] <tntexplosivesltd> heh awesome
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[23:37] <OneFix_Work> Anyone else see the eBay auction?
[23:38] <flaushy> "the ebay auction"?
[23:38] <OneFix_Work> It looks like one of the kids that was given an rPi is trying to sell theirs
[23:38] <flaushy> a pitty
[23:39] <OneFix_Work> Apparently they gave them a nice little kit of a keyboard, mouse, SD card, power supply, USB cables and HDMI cable
[23:39] <DJWillis> I must confess I am pretty impresed with the build of the model B. Not manged to break it yet and no need to do any field repairs to get it to work ;). Had a lot more expensive boards needing a lot more TLC.
[23:39] <DJWillis> OneFix_Work: that's a shame but always happens with that sort of thing :(
[23:39] <flaushy> DJWillis: you have yours?
[23:40] <DJWillis> flaushy: I have a retail unit but not my purchased one, this is for some hacking I have been doing that may benifit the foundation.
[23:40] <flaushy> can I pm you?
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[23:41] <DJWillis> flaushy: If you must, just taking a few photos as I said I would post a few.
[23:41] <_av500_> flaushy: please discuss the price here :)
[23:41] <DJWillis> _av500_: ;-)
[23:41] <flaushy> really high _av500_ ;)
[23:42] <DJWillis> _av500_: 1st problem, damm, where is the serial cape, not got one, ok, where is a level shifter I can hack up ;).
[23:42] <_av500_> lol: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-pi-model-B-High-Quality-bundle-kit-8GB-/110842926205
[23:43] <_av500_> DJWillis: 1.8V?
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[23:43] <flaushy> did you read the small print?
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[23:44] <flaushy> pi not included ^^
[23:44] <_av500_> flaushy: yes, I know
[23:44] <_av500_> thats why I lol
[23:44] <_av500_> gold cables
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[23:46] <koaschten> anyone got a suggestion for a usb jtag? I found usbjtag.com but hell 70$ for the device and to get it to europe?
[23:47] <DJWillis> _av500_: 3.3 - 1.8 yep
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[23:47] <_av500_> DJWillis: well, thats common, got a ton of these
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[23:47] <_av500_> koaschten: flyswatter
[23:47] <_av500_> if you really need jtag
[23:48] <ReggieUK> get an ftdi board
[23:48] <_av500_> which many people think they do, but few really do
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[23:48] <DJWillis> _av500_: I used to have loads in the old GP2X/GP32 days, sort of got used to having it baked in or easy to get at. Just taking a GP32 serial lead apart ;).
[23:48] <ReggieUK> http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/usb1232h.shtml
[23:48] <flaushy> koaschten: openocd maybe
[23:48] <ReggieUK> http://randomprojects.org/wiki/DLP-USB1232H_and_OpenOCD_based_JTAG_adapter
[23:48] <ReggieUK> GO GO GO
[23:49] <DJWillis> Yep, the need for jTAG is less than it may seem (as someone with some pretty good jTAG kit that is almost never used to do anything other than unbrick GP2X's ;)
[23:49] <ReggieUK> depends what you're trying to do though really doesn't it?
[23:50] <ReggieUK> might be more useful if you're hacking a random device
[23:51] <_av500_> DJWillis: we started to love the lauterbach cause it has more detailed register descriptions than the TI TRMs :)
[23:51] <koaschten> thanks for the input :) I need access to a broadcom soc
[23:51] <flaushy> for that i have a buspirate :)
[23:52] <Hexxeh> yayy, getting my RPI from UPS tomorrow :D
[23:52] <DJWillis> ReggieUK: yep, but even then you can find more out with google and some probes (or bug demons like _av500_ for info ;-)). Still, I would not be without a jTAG kit, just don't use it as much as I would like.
[23:52] <Hexxeh> tracking shows it on it's way to my local depot, can collect tomorrow after lunch
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[23:53] <flaushy> Hexxeh: \o/
[23:53] <DJWillis> _av500_: some stone tablets have more info carved into them than some Ti TRM's and I think Braodcom have the same school of disclosure ;)
[23:53] <Hexxeh> apparently an exception was made or something
[23:53] <koaschten> I officially jate you now Hexxeh ;)
[23:53] <Hexxeh> supposedly there's a cutoff for Farnell to drop stuff with UPS
[23:53] <ReggieUK> depends how much hacking there has been done on the device before
[23:53] <ReggieUK> for instance, I bet you couldn't google didj stuff?
[23:53] <Hexxeh> apparently today it was ignored and UPS took them late :D
[23:53] <_av500_> DJWillis: in fact, TI people told us that "trick" :)
[23:54] <_av500_> "dont look into the TRM, look into the lauterbach"
[23:54] <RaYmAn> DJWillis: hey, at least OMAP TRM's are amazing compared to Tegra :P
[23:55] <_av500_> true
[23:55] <_av500_> TI ones are actually pretty good
[23:55] <DJWillis> ReggieUK: I have the MagicEyes TRM's ;) just needed to find what was where ;). Still, not anti jTAG in any way, just not sure it needs to be on every new hackers shopping list at 1st.
[23:55] <Hexxeh> I think I've found a way to give me second Pi away
[23:56] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: you want to send it to me? How nice of you :>
[23:56] <RaYmAn> ;)
[23:56] <Hexxeh> Gonna run a small competition
[23:56] <DJWillis> _av500_: yep, I am being harsh, the TI ones are not bad.
[23:56] <Hexxeh> Need to figure out the details
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[23:57] <DJWillis> Hmmm, any specific pictures of the board that would help anyone (while I have a crappy camera that hates low light to play with ;-))
[23:57] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17703852
[23:58] <ReggieUK> LEEDS
[23:58] <ReggieUK> WTF?
[23:58] <Hexxeh> Farnell is based in Leeds iirc?
[23:58] <ReggieUK> booooooh
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[23:58] <Hexxeh> Lovely and close-ish to Preston :D
[23:59] <Hexxeh> I'd have driven over and picked my Pi up if they'd have let me
[23:59] <flaushy> Hexxeh: you could direct the mob ;)
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