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IRC Log for 2012-04-14

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[0:12] <mkopack> Mmmmm???. Strawberry Shortcake N2 shake, Chorizo burger, vodka battered onion rings, and potato salad
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[0:15] <ReggieUK> vomit
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[0:30] <M0RBD> Subdivisions....
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[0:33] <mkopack> OMG the onion rings are amazing??? especially with this beer honey mustard dipping sauce!
[0:33] <ReggieUK> weirdo
[0:34] * hamitron wants food now
[0:34] * M0RBD sends mkopack to a USMC boot camp.
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[0:34] <mkopack> bah, those days are LONG over for me
[0:35] * M0RBD is going to try arrange a Situps Marathon at Bletchley Park
[0:35] <mkopack> they can't afford me
[0:35] <hamitron> how far you wanting to travel doing situps? ;/
[0:36] <M0RBD> hehe
[0:36] <piless> you're not supposed to do situps anymore
[0:36] <hamitron> I'm gonna attempt a half-Marathon on my rowing machine this weekend
[0:36] <hamitron> wtf why?
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[0:36] <piless> bad for your back or something
[0:36] <hamitron> lies
[0:37] <piless> crunches are what's recommended
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[0:37] * ReggieUK will attempt to get up before midday this weekend, no promises though!
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[0:37] <mkopack> Puts undo pressure on your spine
[0:37] <hamitron> that is the excuse people give, to not have to exert themselves so much
[0:37] <Hexxeh> http://puu.sh/ps5d
[0:37] <Hexxeh> wtf
[0:37] <Hexxeh> 2.6 kilograms?
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[0:37] <M0RBD> hamitron: agreed regaring situps..
[0:37] <ReggieUK> what exercise would be good without putting pressure on your digestive system?
[0:37] <M0RBD> hamitron: I think there is an agenda to passivate people...
[0:37] <mkopack> Not eating?
[0:38] <hamitron> haha
[0:38] <M0RBD> heh
[0:38] <ReggieUK> already doing that
[0:38] <hamitron> :|
[0:38] <piless> ReggieUK: star jumps
[0:38] <hamitron> well, I refuse to reduce my food
[0:38] <ReggieUK> I have no choice
[0:38] <hamitron> better to just exercise more imo
[0:38] <hamitron> :/
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[0:38] <ReggieUK> I *constantly* feel full up
[0:38] <hamitron> well, I guess you don't need to eat then
[0:38] <mkopack> Ok, the Churizo burger - ok, but a bit bland. The over-easy egg on it kinda took away any bite of the sausage??? The onion rings were AMAZING, and the potato salad was very good as well
[0:38] <hamitron> :)
[0:39] <piless> Try that acai berry
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[0:39] <ReggieUK> something about the lightheadedness I feel tells me I do :D
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[0:39] <M0RBD> jesus h christ..
[0:39] <M0RBD> what is that...
[0:39] * M0RBD starts to yell like gunnery sgt hartmann.
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[0:40] <piless> so many stars http://i.imgur.com/HtwMI.jpg
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[0:43] <ReggieUK> piless, this ones better:
[0:43] <ReggieUK> http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/211206_210915958935462_4211257_n.jpg
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[0:50] <mkopack> And the bitching and whining commences - already finding people complaining "People who ordered after me are getting theirs and I haven't heard anything yet"
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[0:50] <Hexxeh> Oh dear.. :(
[0:51] <piless> mkopack: Indeed, fuck those guys who ordered after me and got a 7-day eta
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[0:52] <Matt> mkopack: what's happened to patience these days?
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[0:52] <mkopack> Eh, I think it's just a case of we don't really know how RS+Farn are fulfilling orders, and given all the damn system problems there were that morning, who knows if orders/interest submissions got lost?
[0:52] <mkopack> And yeah, NO patience
[0:52] <Matt> I blame the internet
[0:53] <piless> I blame eben
[0:53] <piless> bald twat
[0:53] <Matt> and people getting used to instant gratification
[0:53] <Matt> piless: be nice :)
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[0:54] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[0:54] <mkopack> YES :)
[0:54] <piless> Matt: non-instant gratification is sooo overrated
[0:55] <Hexxeh> oh wow
[0:55] <Hexxeh> the answer to that question is yes, finally
[0:55] <Thorn_> cool i've only be asking since august
[0:55] <Thorn_> been*
[0:55] <Hexxeh> btw, if you've gotten a UPS tracking number today, and it says it's arrived at your local depot, if you call tomorrow, you can collect it
[0:55] <mkopack> I know, it's SCARY, isn't it???
[0:55] <Hexxeh> mine now says it's arrived in preston :)
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[0:56] <mkopack> nice! (I say as if I have ANY clue where that is :) )
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[0:56] <Hexxeh> up narf ;P
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[1:00] <mkopack> Gonna be able to intercept it at the UPS facility? Or gonna wait for them to deliver?
[1:00] <piless_> mkopack: he's english, it would be done vis royal mail
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[1:00] <M0RBD> It's highly likely getting freedom frisked
[1:01] * M0RBD always gets freedom frisked when travelling to the US
[1:01] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Intercepting
[1:01] <mkopack> Cool. so tomorrow then? Awesome!
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[1:01] <Hexxeh> Yep!
[1:02] <Hexxeh> Wonder if my other one will arrive via Royal Mail, bloody second class post...
[1:02] <piless_> mkopack: what's up with asprin?
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[1:02] <mkopack> I'm probably not going to see mine until start of next month at the earliest??? I ordered through Newark, and I didn't get mine in until like 10am (US Eastern time) so I'm probably pretty deep in the first day queue
[1:03] <mkopack> piless_ ??
[1:03] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: you never know with Royal Fail... Last package I got from the states got thrown over the fence by the postman.. found it after a month.
[1:03] <M0RBD> lol
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[1:03] <piless_> mkopack: we don't really use it over here. It's just paracetamol and ibuprofen.
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[1:04] <piless_> mkopack: But over there in 'merica it's everywhere
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[1:04] <mkopack> hell if I know. we have ibuprofen here, and acetaminophen??? Never heard of that other one you mentioned
[1:04] <piless_> really//
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[1:05] <mkopack> and Naproxen
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[1:05] <mkopack> But those are each good at different things, so depends on what you're taking it for
[1:05] <piless_> oh acetaminophen IS paracetamol
[1:06] <mkopack> ah
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[1:06] <mkopack> for instance, they tell people with heart problems to take aspirin because it thins the blood out a bit which helps it flow
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[1:07] <mkopack> for general aches and pains all of them work...
[1:07] <piless_> mkopack: I've heard that, but it's not just taking it. You're supposed to chew on them
[1:07] <mkopack> Ibuprophen is better for swelling type pains
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[1:07] <mkopack> piless: I think you only chew on it if you're having a heart attack because it gets into the blood stream faster to avert the attack
[1:07] <Matt> that's better
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[1:08] <pdp7> anyone using fedora remix? I was very pleased to see that includes all the v3.1.9 kernel modules
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> heart stuff, warfrin(rat poision I think) is usually under the tongue to get into the bloodstream fast
[1:09] <ReggieUK> should be careful with ibuprofen too
[1:09] <ReggieUK> causes stomach bleeds
[1:09] <piless_> pdp7: the fedora remix sucks
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[1:10] <mkopack> Yeah, and it's hard on the liver, can't take more than a few. Same with the acetaminophen
[1:10] <mkopack> Ok, dinner's done. I'm heading home. Later guys!
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[1:10] <ReggieUK> cya
[1:10] <mkopack> pdp7: the Fedora image has some bugs and performance issues...
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[1:11] <mkopack> RPF is currently recommending the debian build for the moment
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[1:11] <piless_> mkopack: lol not according to their faq
[1:12] <piless_> they are so contradicatory at times..
[1:12] <mkopack> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[1:12] <piless_> At least take the 5 minutes to update your bloody faq
[1:12] <mkopack> Look right under "Fedora 14 Remix"
[1:12] <mkopack> :)
[1:12] <mkopack> Anyhow. Later guys!
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[1:12] <piless_> I don't trust anything I read on raspberrypi.org
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[1:17] <IT_Sean> o/
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[1:18] <IT_Sean> ...
[1:18] <Matt> mister sean :)
[1:19] <IT_Sean> mr Matt
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[1:20] <DJWillis> Took a few crappy photos of my retail board http://blogs.distant-earth.com
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[1:20] <IT_Sean> < using handwrt recog on The x22O
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[1:22] <IT_Sean> you goT one?!
[1:23] <Matt> it would certainly appear so
[1:23] <IT_Sean> !
[1:24] <IT_Sean> i can has?
[1:24] <pdp7> nice
[1:24] <DJWillis> IT_Sean: developers board not purchased (still waiting for that one) but I can't see any harm taking photos and nobody in RPi has advised me that there are restrictions, just hack on it ;).
[1:24] <IT_Sean> ahh i see
[1:25] <pdp7> OpenEmbedded BSP package, interesting. what type of roles would OpenEmbedded on Pi serve?
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[1:26] <IT_Sean> i want one :P
[1:26] <ReggieUK> pdp7, automated build system
[1:26] <piless_> DJWillis: what's the soldering like? The other guy said it looked like shit
[1:26] <DJWillis> pdp7: it's a build system and Angstrom is a distro, currently an Xfce image ;), console image and a few other test things.
[1:27] <pdp7> ah, so this would be to run Angstrom like the Beagles, gotcha
[1:27] <piless_> DJWillis: btw, if you coild your usb cables like in that photo you're going to have a bad time.
[1:27] <DJWillis> piless_: well there is greese on the PCB but soldering looks ok.
[1:27] <piless_> *coil
[1:28] <Matt> pdp7?
[1:28] <DJWillis> piless_: it was not actually pluuged in ;).
[1:28] <piless_> DJWillis: That's not what I mean.
[1:28] <piless_> DJWillis: You're going to damage the cable if you coil it too tightly
[1:29] <DJWillis> piless_: I know but been storing my cables like that for years and years with no problems, it is not really that tight a coil.
[1:29] <DJWillis> Plus, I have SO many usb leads ;). Anyway, bed time.
[1:30] <IT_Sean> O.o
[1:30] <Matt> bed?
[1:30] <IT_Sean> Aus?
[1:30] <Matt> it's only 00:30 :)
[1:30] <Matt> uk more likely
[1:30] <Matt> aus are just getting up
[1:30] <IT_Sean> ahh. Right
[1:31] <DJWillis> Matt: been up since 04:30 so yep, bed ;) (and UK time)
[1:31] <piless_> The UK is what counts
[1:31] <Matt> 4:30?
[1:31] <Matt> does that even exist?
[1:31] <piless_> I only got up an hour ago
[1:31] <IT_Sean> it does, in Fact
[1:31] <Matt> I'm rarely up before 6
[1:32] <IT_Sean> 6.2o AM For me
[1:32] <IT_Sean> ... during the weeK
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[1:33] <Matt> occasionally if I have to be on-site downtown early I'll be up at 5:45
[1:34] <piless_> I didn't know we had downtowns in the uk
[1:34] * Matt is in canada
[1:34] <Matt> get with it :)
[1:34] <IT_Sean> i start work @ 8
[1:34] <Matt> we had this conversation yesterday
[1:34] <IT_Sean> 8 - 5
[1:34] <piless_> Matt: You said it's 00:30
[1:34] <IT_Sean> o.33 now
[1:34] <Matt> for DJWillis
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[1:35] <pdp7> Matt: where in Canada?
[1:35] <IT_Sean> ...
[1:35] <Matt> about 45 mins southwest of toronto
[1:36] <pdp7> ah cool, my gf is from toronto/oshawa so been there a few times
[1:36] <Matt> where abouts are you?
[1:36] <pdp7> Creatron in toronto is my favorite store
[1:36] <pdp7> chicago
[1:36] <piless_> Bloody hell.. they're giving so many of them away there will be barely any of the 10,000 give to people who paid for them
[1:36] <Matt> creatron?
[1:36] <Matt> where abouts is that?
[1:36] <pdp7> best selections of electronics parts i've ever seen
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[1:36] <pdp7> yeah, by U of T
[1:36] <Matt> clearly you didn't make it into active surplus :)
[1:37] <piless_> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17703852
[1:37] <piless_> ??16????
[1:37] <piless_> Mine cost me ??30
[1:37] <piless_> what bullshit
[1:37] <pdp7> Matt: ah, yeah, people told me but we didn't make it there yet
[1:37] <pdp7> next time!
[1:37] <Thorn_> mine was free
[1:37] <Matt> definitely :)
[1:37] <Matt> I love active surplus
[1:37] <Matt> just to go poke around
[1:37] <Matt> they have so much random crap
[1:38] <pdp7> creatron: https://picasaweb.google.com/117542001281850354871/Creatron#
[1:38] <pdp7> nice, i wanna go
[1:38] <pdp7> prob be there in july
[1:38] <piless_> Matt: Amazing website
[1:38] <Matt> queen street, just west of university
[1:39] <pdp7> cool, its on my list :)
[1:39] <pdp7> ty
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[2:22] <blemmm> <_<
[2:22] <blemmm> >_>
[2:23] <blemmm> *tumbleweed blows by*
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[2:24] <blemmm> I guess most people are hibernating. :\
[2:24] <piless_> blemmm: You'll get used to it.
[2:24] <piless_> blemmm: It's suprising that a channel with 300 users can be so utterly dead for most of the day.
[2:25] <Thorn_> Anyone here ever done any urban exploring?
[2:25] <piless_> Thorn_: You mean tresspasing?
[2:25] <Thorn_> thinking of checking out some of the abandoned military places round here
[2:25] <Thorn_> yeah same thing
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[2:45] <piless_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCBQUMOQic
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[3:44] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17704009
[3:44] <ReggieUK> $40 for a fscking led backlight
[3:44] <ReggieUK> tsk tsk tsk
[3:45] <ReggieUK> barnes & noble learning tricks from apple then
[3:45] <ReggieUK> giving you crap that everyone else has, calling it a feature and charging you extra for it
[3:45] <mkopack> I thought the whole point of E ink was you didn't NEED backlight?
[3:46] <ReggieUK> only in daylight
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[4:05] <piless_> mkopack: The whole point of e-ink is that it behaves exactly like paper. The black parts of the screen actually refleck less like light than the white parts, exactly like paper would
[4:06] <piless_> *reflect
[4:06] <piless_> Unlike tradition screens which are just designed to emit light
[4:06] <mkopack> right??? I know all that
[4:06] <piless_> mkopack: It also gives you amazing battery life
[4:07] <mkopack> but I thought that was the big selling point of using EInk in the tablet - works great in sunlight, doesn't need backlight draining battery all the time
[4:07] <piless_> mkopack: I assume it would be something you would turn on manually when it's dark
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[4:07] <piless_> So you don't have to go fetch a torch
[4:08] <mkopack> Or a flashlight :)
[4:08] <piless_> umm
[4:08] <piless_> a torch is a flashlight
[4:09] <Jak_o_Shadows1> I don't see any reason for an e-reader to have a touch screen.
[4:09] <Jak_o_Shadows1> Or even a full keyboard
[4:09] <piless_> Jak_o_Shadows1: I agree with the keyboard thing, But I supppose if you don't have buttons you can get away with a smaller bezel
[4:09] <mkopack> Duh??? I was playing :)
[4:11] <piless_> But personally I thought the page turn buttons on the 3rd gen kindle per pretty much perfect
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[4:33] <piless_> http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/funny-gifs-north-korean-rocket-launch.gif
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[5:15] <piless__________> this is slightly interesting http://www.designspark.com/content/pi-perspectives-miles-berry-naace
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[5:27] <blemmm> Woo, 10 in a row
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[5:30] <mkopack> blemmm???? 10 WHAT in a row?
[5:31] <blemmm> Quits
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[5:31] <mkopack> Oh room split.
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[5:35] <piless__________> Oh, I turned them off.
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[5:49] <piless__________> anyone here like roguelikes?
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[8:52] <mpthompson> shirro: Are you there?
[8:53] <seroki> can i get rasberrpi in canada
[8:53] <shirro> yes
[8:54] <mpthompson> I read your posting about genesi efikamx debian. Is that different from the stand Debian armhf port?
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[8:54] <shirro> seroki: is newark or allied in US. Probably same in canada
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[8:55] <shirro> efika have an imx debian sid image which has got hardfloat versions of the freescale libs in it. It is huge, has a lot of crap in it - just fits on a 4G sd card
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[8:56] <shirro> but you can run full hardfloat and still have access to openGL ES, OpenVG and the imx-xserver. unfortunately doesn't seem to have the codecs so no h264 playback :-(
[8:57] <mpthompson> Are you running it a 1GHz? I remember when I updated to a newer kernel my MX53 ran at 800Mhz rather than 1GHz which made things noticiably slower.
[8:58] <shirro> I can check the clock speed in uboot. can't remember how to get the clocks in linux.
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[8:59] <shirro> i was running the same uboot and kernel with both softfloat and hardfloat roots though. was just changing root= in uboot
[8:59] <mpthompson> I think if you look at something like 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' or something like that.
[9:02] <SpeedEvil> Random channel pimping. ##mechanics - it's a few of us who are interested in mechanical stuff - machining, engineering, ... It's a small channel. Hopefully will grow, as it's something missing on freenode.
[9:02] <mpthompson> I'll proably move forward with purchasing additional iMX53 as I don't really know when I'll get a Pi. Perhaps in a few weeks, perhaps in a few months. :-(
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[9:02] <shirro> email liz
[9:02] <SpeedEvil> a week after they hit the general public, on ebay. :)
[9:02] <mpthompson> Yeah, for $120 each.
[9:03] * SpeedEvil looks at the pile of stuff he needs to ebay.
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[9:04] <piless> mpthompson: I'll sell you a pi for $119.99
[9:04] <mpthompson> The question is, do I order more iMX53 before I get the Mele A1000 which is on it's way now. Half the memory, but half the price too.
[9:05] <mpthompson> piless: How generous. Do you take a check. ;-)
[9:05] <shirro> mpthompson: seriously. much more interested in a debian hardfloat than some minor distro and I am pretty sure some of them are getting priority dev boards.
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[9:06] <mpthompson> I'll fire off an email to Liz. Not hopeful though. I bet the developers they are sending boards off to are people they know and have relationships with.
[9:07] <shirro> Or Myra: myra@raspberrypi.org - tell her you can get an optimised mainstream distro available in less time than it will take to debug fedora
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[9:07] <mpthompson> Having a Pi would help me work on the installation scripts and such to make it easier for people to bring up Debian from the repository. Having to use debootstrap is pretty ugly.
[9:08] <mpthompson> Less time to debug Fedora. Nice point!!!
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[9:09] <mpthompson> How is Fedora looking? I'm not sure it's hard float either. Places I've look were wishy-washy on the subject which is kinda strange.
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[9:11] <piless> fedora is full of shit
[9:11] <mpthompson> These autobuilder scripts I've got going are pretty neat. There are still bits of it that are manual that I need to work on, but it's sooooo much easier now to get the packages built.
[9:11] <shirro> i think only the gentoo and arch people are brave enough so far. I really would like to know if hardfloat is worth it on the Pi. Nobody has put up a decent set of benchmarks.
[9:11] <piless> it's outdated and full of bugs
[9:12] <shirro> you are doing wheezy and not squeeze aren't you?
[9:12] <mpthompson> Well, I'll have my repository up by next weekend (I hope). Anyone who has Pi hardware can then use it to instlal a minimal version of Debian armhf to compile real benchmarks.
[9:13] <mpthompson> Yeah, I'm tracking wheezy. Armhf is not available for squeeze.
[9:13] <piless> mpthompson: hexxeh will have one soon
[9:14] <mpthompson> Benchmarks are not really my thing. It's something I'll let others dive into and I'll wait for the feedback.
[9:14] <mpthompson> hexxeh? I'm not familiar with that person.
[9:14] <shirro> hexxeh has done gentoo and chromium cross compiles I think
[9:15] <piless> hes working on a chrome os port
[9:15] <mpthompson> Gentoo is the distribution where you basically compile everything yourself. Correct?
[9:15] <shirro> His chrome os stuff for x86 is here http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/
[9:15] <piless> yeah
[9:15] <shirro> He posted his gentoo stuff for pi to irc if someone cares to search the logs.
[9:16] <shirro> mpthompson: I think he has cross compiled a lot of gentoo so people don't have to build native
[9:16] <mpthompson> Do gentoo people share packages amongst themselves? Otherwise, it's going to be painful for people to use who aren't sophisticated enough to cross compile.
[9:16] <shirro> not sure if he did hardfloat or not
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[9:18] <piless> from what I understand the whole point of compiling everything for gentoo is to perfect it for your particular hardware.. whereas the pis all have the same hardware.. so you really wouldn't need to self compile.
[9:19] <piless> plus it would take years to compile on the actual pi
[9:19] <shirro> he did do hardfloat cross compile. it is here: http://radium.hexxeh.net/cros/
[9:21] <mpthompson> Looks good, but I think I'll be sticking with Debian. I'm too familiar with it and I'm too old to try something else. :-)
[9:21] <shirro> Not meaning to take anything away from that effort but I think Gentoo makes that relatively easy compared with Debian
[9:22] <mpthompson> From what I've seen, Debian would be virtually impossible to cross compile. Some packages support it, but those seem to be the exception. LOTS of things would break if you tried to do the whole distribution.
[9:22] <mpthompson> It's hard enough to do natively.
[9:23] <mpthompson> I'm impressed it works so well with Gentoo. I wonder how they do it?
[9:23] <shirro> as much as I love using debian and the dependency stuff is brilliant as is the community - there is something to be said for the good old bsd ports make world style of thing.
[9:24] <shirro> building and using are two different things though
[9:24] <mpthompson> Ah yes, BSD ports. I've used FreeBSD a lot in the past. A few commands can compile the entire kernel and the entire base runtime.
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[9:28] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: You can do the same in Gentoo
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[9:30] <mpthompson> I see how Gentoo can then be cross compiled. It seems such a trick goes against one of the core philosophies of Debian though.
[9:30] <shirro> I think chromium os is another that has a build script that just builds the whole thing. not saying that you don't have to work out compile flags, debug stuff or actually do the build. just that debian is much scarier
[9:30] <mpthompson> As I'm discovering.
[9:31] <Hexxeh> You could totally just use QEMU to build your Debian packages
[9:31] <Hexxeh> Fire up a versatilepb
[9:31] <mpthompson> The thing about Debian is that once the port is made, it's much easier for end users who just want to download and go.
[9:32] <shirro> mpthompson: I agree. all the distros have their good and bad but I settled on debian over a decade ago and it would take something hugely better to get me to move
[9:32] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, I've considered that. I can perhaps even adapt Amazon EC2 systems to really throw some muscle behind it.
[9:32] <Hexxeh> you'd be better off with just a beefy machine really
[9:33] <Hexxeh> also, god damn UPS
[9:33] <Hexxeh> they 'can't find' my package :P
[9:34] <mpthompson> Yeah, but with Amazon E2C you can throw 10, 20, 100 servers at the problem.
[9:34] <shirro> it would be good to divide debian packages into ones that are well behaved and not. cross compile the really safe ones. distcc the ones that get arch from config and only build the shitty ones natively
[9:34] <Hexxeh> true, but it'll host you a boatload
[9:34] <Hexxeh> *cost
[9:35] <mpthompson> Yeah, but it will cost you either way in the end.
[9:37] <mpthompson> I run QEMU on my quadcore AMD desktop system and the performance is definately slower than my iMX53 which is a Cortex A8 at 1GHz.
[9:37] <mpthompson> QEMU has it's place, but it's not tuned for performance.
[9:38] <mpthompson> Still, it's easy to replicate.
[9:38] <shirro> yeah, but you can probably run 8 qemus on the amd desktop to your 1 A8
[9:39] <mpthompson> I haven't tried to run more than one instance. I'll have to look into that. Bumping my memory up from 4GB to 8GB is much cheaper than buying the iMX53s.
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[9:44] <mpthompson> I'm off to get some shuteye...
[9:44] <shirro> make -j 20 CC="distcc arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.x" <-- next best thing to cross compiling
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[10:13] <piless> Someone needs to OP me so I can severely punish those posting all this technobabble
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[10:16] <_av500_> +1
[10:17] <Jak_o_Shadows> is it out yet?
[10:17] <Jak_o_Shadows> :D
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[10:17] <_av500_> ebay has some
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[10:26] <shirro> piless: probably should update the desc to tell people to take anything other than discussion of energy drinks to the -dev channel then
[10:26] <piless> shirro: Exactly!
[10:27] <shirro> consider me warned :-)
[10:27] <piless> I'd take that warning about chocolate kids aswell
[10:28] <shirro> unfortunately -dev is totally dead
[10:28] <piless> Who cares, as long as they're not here!
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[10:37] <Hexxeh> postie just turned up :D
[10:38] <haltdef_> I need to find a use for my pandaboard
[10:38] <piless> Hexxeh: make sure to report back
[10:38] <haltdef_> feels like a waste just being a bnc and bitlbee server
[10:39] <haltdef_> KDE is far too heavy for it and unity can fo
[10:39] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/Fq0e
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[10:41] <piless> Hexxeh: Is it greasy?
[10:41] <haltdef_> gpio pins pre-attached? could have sworn they said they wouldn't be
[10:41] <Hexxeh> uh no?
[10:41] <Hexxeh> haltdef_: first batch has them
[10:41] <Hexxeh> subsequent ones won't
[10:41] <Hexxeh> they got left on by accident on first batch
[10:41] <piless> someone else mentioned that the pcb had some grease on it
[10:41] <Hexxeh> nope, seems fine here
[10:42] <piless> Hexxeh: :O why no more gpio pins?
[10:43] <Hexxeh> cost
[10:44] <piless> Hexxeh: How much can a bit of plastic and metal like that cost? 10p?
[10:45] <haltdef_> you realize the raspberry pi is the price it is *because* of 10p saved here and there?
[10:46] <piless> haltdef_: Considering the benefits of having gpio on their device.. I really think it's worth it for them
[10:46] <haltdef_> mm
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[10:48] <haltdef_> still no preordered from RS?
[10:48] <haltdef_> preorders rather
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[10:51] <piless> haltdef_: They already sent out emails to people
[10:52] <piless> haltdef_: So if you didn't get the email then I guess they don't care about you
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[11:13] <Hexxeh> less the cost of the actual materials, more the cost of actually adding the header during manufacturing i suspect
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[11:16] <selsinork> Hexxeh, seemingly they're leaving the gpio header on.. "liz on April 12, 2012 at 10:56 pm said: Cases: Real Soon Now. :) GPIO: Yes, we???ll be leaving it on."
[11:17] <selsinork> from http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1011#comments
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[11:19] <Hexxeh> Oh cool, nice to see the change of mind
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[11:24] <Hexxeh> Geeeh.
[11:24] <Hexxeh> Feels super fragile :/
[11:24] <Hexxeh> HDMI port in partiuclar
[11:25] <Hexxeh> The cable is a really tight fit, and there's not much to securely hold it by
[11:25] <Hexxeh> I forsee a lot of bent-off HDMI ports
[11:26] <xlq> Hexxeh: Have you got one?
[11:26] <Hexxeh> xlq: http://cl.ly/Fq0e
[11:26] <Hexxeh> :)
[11:27] <Hexxeh> Anyone know what the deal is regarding ALSA btw?
[11:28] <Hexxeh> Maybe I should do a Hangout and take questions about it?
[11:28] <Hexxeh> There seem to be a lot of folks with questions still
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[11:32] <Hexxeh> 182MB for the ChromeOS RaspberryPi download
[11:33] <Hexxeh> Smallest RPi distro yet?
[11:35] <flaushy> Hexxeh: a pitty with the hdmi
[11:35] <Hexxeh> yeah
[11:35] <Hexxeh> I guess you'd still have component if it did break
[11:35] <selsinork> Hexxeh, did you get yours from farnell ? I'm wondering what's in the box to make it 2.6Kg
[11:35] <Hexxeh> t-shirt?
[11:36] <Hexxeh> obviously not all that weight
[11:36] <Hexxeh> but some of it
[11:36] <Hexxeh> mine is a developer unit sent by the foundation
[11:36] <selsinork> ah, ok..
[11:36] <Hexxeh> they sent them with rpi foundation design shipping labels
[11:36] <Hexxeh> which was a nice touch :P
[11:36] <selsinork> thought you'd maybe raided the local UPS depot this morning :)
[11:37] <Hexxeh> i tried!
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[11:37] <Hexxeh> my farnell one is waiting at my local depot
[11:37] <selsinork> lol
[11:37] <Hexxeh> apparently it's sat on a trailer they've not unloaded yet
[11:37] <Hexxeh> so i can't get it until monday evening
[11:38] <selsinork> were there armed guards watching the trailer ? :)
[11:38] <flaushy> if not... lets go
[11:38] <Hexxeh> heh
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[11:38] <Hexxeh> the woman i spoke to sounded surprisingly chirpy despite having been called by angry raspberry pi purchasers all morning
[11:39] <Hexxeh> she said they'd had over 100 calls
[11:39] <Hexxeh> and i rang just after they opened
[11:40] <flaushy> cool
[11:40] <JonSeals> Hexxeh: call back in 2 hours and the chirpiness will be the opposite :P
[11:40] <Hexxeh> JonSeals: no doubt :P
[11:41] <Hexxeh> i really should've prepped an SD card ready
[11:41] <Hexxeh> waiting is killing me :P
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[11:42] <flaushy> lol
[11:43] <flaushy> think about all others here ;)
[11:43] <flaushy> and you sit there wit a pi ^^
[11:44] <Hexxeh> anyone who ordered within the first 3 hours will have one on monday :P
[11:44] <flaushy> i did
[11:44] <flaushy> but i bought the chipset .-
[11:44] <Hexxeh> ah :/
[11:44] <Hexxeh> yeah, it was kinda stupid for them to list that
[11:44] <Hexxeh> it's of no use to anyone
[11:44] <flaushy> right
[11:45] <flaushy> amazing that i didnt double check
[11:45] <flaushy> and i ordered first 5 mins
[11:45] <flaushy> realized the mistake too late. Oh well :)
[11:45] <Hexxeh> surprised they didn't just convert those orders into board orders
[11:45] <Hexxeh> also
[11:45] <Hexxeh> my card is class 10
[11:46] <Hexxeh> should be interesting to see if it works
[11:46] <Hexxeh> otherwise, i need to run and buy a new SD card :P
[11:46] <haltdef_> not considering a usb hdd rootfs?
[11:46] <Hexxeh> for ChromeOS, I'll have to
[11:46] <haltdef_> on the panda I just had a 32MB SD for the bootloader and kernel
[11:46] <haltdef_> has the same OMG YOU MUST BOOT FROM SD issue as the pi :P
[11:46] <Hexxeh> suppose it doesn't affect loading the kernel since it's still in slow-mode at that point
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[11:52] <Hexxeh> rootFS is about 350MB uncompressed
[11:52] <Hexxeh> two of those plus a stateful is about 1750MB
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[11:52] <Hexxeh> so it looks like we could fit on a 2GB card with some twekaing
[11:52] <Hexxeh> *tweaking
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[11:53] <piless> Hexxeh: openelec is only 70mb
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[11:55] <Hexxeh> lol, no debian for me :P
[11:55] <Hexxeh> failed switching to 1.8v signalling
[11:57] <Hexxeh> wonder what happens if you try to use the PI with a 500ma supply?
[11:57] <Hexxeh> i don't like the sounds my amazon sourced charger is making :P
[11:57] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: how are you finding the unit?
[11:58] <Hexxeh> not actually managed to boot it yet
[11:58] <Hexxeh> size is awesomely small
[11:58] <piless> Hexxeh: It just won't power on.
[11:58] <Hexxeh> no damage?
[11:58] <piless> 700ma for B, 500ma for A
[11:58] <piless> Hexxeh: It shouldn't
[11:58] <flaushy> but only because it needs to maybe power usb stuff
[11:58] <flaushy> so it might run just fine
[11:59] <piless> flaushy: no
[11:59] <piless> flaushy: completely wrong
[11:59] <piless> model b NEEDS 700ma, not WANTS
[11:59] <DJWillis> lack of current is not going to do it a lot of harm I would think, just not going to do a lot ;)
[11:59] <Hexxeh> ah nice, just tried it, iphone adaptor works fine
[12:00] <Hexxeh> at least i know the quality on that is decent
[12:00] <piless> Hexxeh: These iphones need tons of juice to charge.
[12:00] <flaushy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260
[12:00] <piless> I think the new ipad charger sucks up almost 2a
[12:00] <Hexxeh> this is a 4S charger
[12:00] <Hexxeh> says 2.1A on it
[12:01] <DJWillis> flaushy: the USB ethernet I/C is going to draw juice regardless of it's use, ok, not 200mA but a few other bits will push it up.
[12:01] <Hexxeh> 10w, 5v, sounds right
[12:01] <piless> Hexxeh: Completely throwing usb standards out the window
[12:01] <Hexxeh> just as well, if they'd stuck to standards, it wouldn't work with my pi :P
[12:01] <flaushy> DJWillis: right. The question is how big is the safety margin
[12:01] <xlq> piless: Yeah, thanks EU :(
[12:01] <Hexxeh> 500ma ought to be enough for anyone
[12:02] <Hexxeh> sounds familiar
[12:02] <flaushy> DJWillis: furthermore how good are the drivers and how many components are powered off
[12:02] <piless> I think the standard lets you go to 1a or something if there's no data
[12:02] <Hexxeh> yeah
[12:02] <Hexxeh> iirc you short the data lines together to do that?
[12:03] <piless> Hexxeh: Crack open your usb wall plug
[12:03] <flaushy> piless: 500 ma at most was the std iirc
[12:04] <Hexxeh> piless: later
[12:04] <flaushy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Power
[12:04] <Hexxeh> Interesting
[12:05] <Hexxeh> RPi image has fattened up to 258MB with the RPi firmware and libs added
[12:05] <xlq> I've got a 12 amp linear variable voltage power supply here. Ought to be enough for a pi.
[12:05] <Hexxeh> xlq: with a microUSB plug?
[12:05] <Hexxeh> or are you gonna power it via the header
[12:06] <xlq> Don't know.
[12:06] <piless> xlq: Why waste it on the pi? You can buy a micro usb wall charger for a couple of quid.
[12:06] <xlq> The power supply has those screw post thingies, and also loudspeaker-type connectors.
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[12:06] <xlq> piless: I haven't been too impressed by the quality of "couple of quid" power supplies :(
[12:07] <xlq> One of them ripped open as I pulled it from the socket :(
[12:07] <piless> xlq: Buy a samsung one then.
[12:07] <xlq> Hmm, well. I'll think about that nearer the time.
[12:08] <xlq> Which looks like it'll be 2013 at this rate :(
[12:08] <piless> xlq: I've got one of these, http://www.thefonestuff.com/product_images/a/662/Genuine-Samsung-Micro-USB-Mains-Charger-ETA010UBE__12355.jpg
[12:08] <piless> xlq: It's super compact.
[12:08] <xlq> And how much does it transmit? :-\
[12:09] <Hexxeh> why is rootfstype=ext4 specified on the cmdline exactly?
[12:09] <piless> Dunno, haven't checked. Works fine with my non-samsung phone though
[12:09] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: whats your take on the HDMI slot? Worried it is a little 'too' fragile ;).
[12:09] <xlq> piless: I meant radio transmission. EMC.
[12:09] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: it's insanely fragile
[12:09] <piless> fuck ext4, my pi's sd is getting ntfs whether it likes it or not
[12:09] <Hexxeh> i've only had to connect it once, and it already felt like it could break
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[12:10] <Hexxeh> hell knows what it'll be like after a few rough connections by a kid
[12:10] <xlq> Hexxeh: Perhaps your plug is at the large end of the tolerance range.
[12:10] <Hexxeh> xlq: perhaps
[12:10] <piless> xlq: Well of course it would be within standard safety limits surely?
[12:11] <xlq> piless: It's not about safety, it's about electromagnetic pollution. Like light pollution, only in a different part of the spectrum.
[12:11] <Hexxeh> for anyone interested, here's what the sd card boot problem looks like: http://cl.ly/FqZ2
[12:11] <piless> god it looks so tiny compared to your monitor
[12:11] <seanmeir> Are the rPIs shipping yet?
[12:11] <piless> seanmeir: nope
[12:11] <xlq> I've heard that some ATX power supplies, for example, are tested with all the components fitted, but production batches omit the filtering components (you can see the empty holes on the board).
[12:12] <Hexxeh> piless: that's a 42" tv lol
[12:12] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: got a tiny OE micro distribution fir the RPi that is only about 2.6MB tarred but it's not going to do a lot ;).
[12:12] <Hexxeh> only hdmi accepting device i have other than a projector
[12:12] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: true, but 182MB with a full blown browser is pretty cool
[12:12] <piless> Hexxeh: What happens if you have both composite and hdmi connectors being used at the same time?
[12:12] <Hexxeh> piless: not tried it yet
[12:12] <xlq> Hexxeh: No devices with DVI input?
[12:13] <Hexxeh> xlq: nope, i use an imac as my daily machine
[12:13] <piless> xlq: Another adaptor to buy?
[12:13] <Hexxeh> i do have a kanex hd for it, which lets it accept a hdmi device in target display mode
[12:13] <Hexxeh> but it's at my parents house, need to go pick it up
[12:13] <xlq> piless: What?
[12:13] <piless> Hexxeh: iirc displayport is quite similar to dvi
[12:13] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: yep, no question about that. The Xfce images comes in around that sort of size.
[12:13] <xlq> HDMI -> DVI-D? Yes.
[12:13] <Hexxeh> piless: that's what the kanex is for :P
[12:14] <DJWillis> xlq: HDMI = superset of DVD-D
[12:14] <xlq> DJWillis: Indeed.
[12:14] <xlq> Oops, *DVI-D
[12:14] <DJWillis> DVI-D indeed
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Umm - isn't DVI-D dual-link?
[12:15] <Hexxeh> usb sticks writing at 1.6MB
[12:15] <Hexxeh> ugh
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Or am I confused.
[12:15] <Hexxeh> why do i do these through my keyboard hub...
[12:15] <piless> ... you paid ??100 for a hdmi to minidisplayport adaptor?!
[12:15] <Hexxeh> piless: bit more than that, actually
[12:15] <Hexxeh> more like ??135
[12:15] <piless> Jesus christ
[12:15] <Hexxeh> i used it instead of a TV in my room
[12:15] <Hexxeh> since my room was pretty tiny
[12:15] <Hexxeh> for xbox 360 etc
[12:15] <xlq> Hexxeh: Also partition and mkfs your USB flash drive carefully, to ensure that file-system blocks are aligned to flash erase blocks.
[12:16] <xlq> It increases speed and prolongs flash life.
[12:16] <piless> Hexxeh: Have you tried boxee on your imac?
[12:16] <mjr> SpeedEvil, yeah -D is just the digital variety, as opposed to -I or -A
[12:16] <Hexxeh> piless: no?
[12:16] <piless> Hexxeh: http://www.boxee.tv/
[12:16] <cgenner> xlq: what's the easiest way to align to the flash?
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right. It's been a while.
[12:17] <xlq> cgenner: It's fiddly.
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> mjr: I just got my first computer with DVI on it.
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:17] <piless> Hexxeh: It's a fork of the xbmc project
[12:17] <Hexxeh> piless: i've heard of it
[12:17] <xlq> cgenner: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
[12:17] <Hexxeh> why would you use it on a mac though?
[12:17] <piless> Hexxeh: Well if you use it as a tv, the interface is designed to be used from far away
[12:18] <Hexxeh> oh
[12:18] * mjr got a HDMI-> DVI-D adapter from dealextreme for the Pi. It was in the mail for like a month and a half, but hey, no hurry, right? ;)
[12:18] <Hexxeh> yeah my room wasn't really big enough for that :P
[12:18] <piless> plus it's so pretty
[12:18] <Hexxeh> literally a bed and a desk
[12:18] <piless> from your bed then
[12:18] <xlq> I wonder, are HDMI -> DVI-D adapters bidirectional?
[12:18] <Hexxeh> VLC worked fine :P
[12:18] <piless> Hexxeh: Ugh
[12:19] <Hexxeh> occasionally used my AppleTV plugged into the kanex
[12:19] <mjr> xlq, yes, actually, though there may be gender issues
[12:19] <piless> my hdmi is bicurious
[12:20] <mjr> no problem then
[12:20] <piless> mjr: If you pay for shipping with dealextreme you can get it much faster.
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[12:21] <Hexxeh> wow
[12:21] <piless> mjr: Plus they have overseas warehouses now. They have one in the UK. So if you order something that's in there it will get to you 10x faster
[12:21] <Hexxeh> model A is 15 usd right?
[12:21] <Hexxeh> or is it 25usd
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> Or if you pick one of the limited subset of products in their UK warehouse.
[12:21] <Hexxeh> 25usd isn't it
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[12:21] <piless> Hexxeh: 25
[12:21] <mjr> piless, ack. Well, didn't want to. ;) My other order around those times did actually come through much faster, guess it's a bit of a luck of the draw with the Chinese mail... Anyway, turns out I still don't actually need the adapter 'cause hey, no Pi, so whatever ;)
[12:21] <Hexxeh> so ??15
[12:21] <piless> Hexxeh: More.. It doesn't include VAT
[12:21] <mjr> piless, ah, okay, so it might've been that the fast order came from there
[12:21] <Hexxeh> ??18 with vat
[12:21] <mjr> (didn't check the envelope)
[12:21] <piless> plus shipping
[12:21] <Hexxeh> ??5 for a wifi dongle, ??5 for an sd card
[12:22] <Hexxeh> ??28 for a fully working computer
[12:22] <Hexxeh> madness
[12:22] <piless> Hexxeh: Except it does a shit job at being a desktop computer
[12:22] <Hexxeh> depends what you want to do with it
[12:22] <flaushy> Hexxeh: why madness?
[12:22] <piless> Hexxeh: Massive keyboard lag without accelerated x
[12:23] <Hexxeh> accelerated X will come
[12:23] <piless> maybe
[12:24] <piless> mjr: It's even worse around busy times of the year, like christmas and chinese new year.
[12:25] <piless> mjr: I think you have to order special skus to order them from the uk warehouse. Last time I looked they had a link on the product page saying use this link to buy it from the uk warehouse instead
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[12:25] <SpeedEvil> piless: It sucks marginally less now
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/c/dx-overseas-warehouse-stocking-fast-shipment-western-europe-address-only-100002
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> But - there isn't a nice way to browse this - the links on the left to categories take you back to global
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[12:27] <piless> Have you guys heard of the Huawei Ascend G 300? It's only ??100
[12:27] <piless> And it does a pretty good job competing with the htc one v
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> No.
[12:28] <piless> Probably the best value low budget smartphone on the market right now
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[12:29] <mjr> Right. Thanks for the info.
[12:29] <Hexxeh> interesting
[12:30] <Hexxeh> if you don't have a usb stick in
[12:30] <Hexxeh> sd card is mmcbllk0
[12:30] <Hexxeh> if you do
[12:30] <Hexxeh> it becomes mmcblk1
[12:30] <piless> why would it do that?
[12:31] <Hexxeh> i don't know, but it seems to be what it's doing
[12:31] <mjr> That's funky. Is that the Pi, then?
[12:31] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: what kind of usb stick?
[12:31] <Hexxeh> trying to boot from a usb stick now since it doesn't like my sd card
[12:31] <Hexxeh> uh, regular old 4gb usb stick?
[12:31] <piless> Is that a function to make it boot off usb devices over the sd?
[12:32] <Hexxeh> in any case
[12:32] <Hexxeh> i can't get it to boot
[12:32] <Hexxeh> maybe i'm wrong
[12:32] <Hexxeh> what device is the usb stick /supposed/ to be?
[12:33] <RaYmAn> usually something like /dev/sdX
[12:33] <piless> Don't you have to do something special to the filesystem to mark it as a bootable device?
[12:33] <Hexxeh> piless: i literally just burned the debian image to the usb stick and tweaked the cmdline
[12:33] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: it's usually different on arm?
[12:33] <piless> At least that's what I had to do when I stuck ubuntu on a thumbstick years ago
[12:33] <RaYmAn> piless: that's mostly (if not exclusively) X86
[12:33] <flaushy> does uboot do problems?
[12:33] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: no? Not over usb - it's how linux handles it
[12:34] <flaushy> or what does rpi use?
[12:34] <piless> my rpi is going to be powered by the tears of small children
[12:36] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[12:36] <mjr> Really, usb mass storage devices do tend to be sdX on any linux. mmcblkX is for when you have a rawer interface to the MMC/SD card reader chip.
[12:36] <cjbaird> I once connected up a (larger) solar cell to a MSP430, and used the light from a computer monitor to provide the energy source.
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[12:37] <flaushy> cjbaird: ti even has dev kits with solar nowadays :)
[12:37] <cjbaird> ...it was a historical day... when 4chan's /g/ actually powered a computer. :P :)
[12:37] <piless> cjbaird: Sounds efficient
[12:37] <Hexxeh> tried sda2, no joy
[12:37] <flaushy> cjbaird: they even sold them via tideals
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> At 1ml/min, assuming the tears fall through a distance of 10m, I make that you need around 2000 children to power the Pi.
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> Assuming a 70% efficient turbine.
[12:38] <xlq> SpeedEvil: You'd need lots of onions too.
[12:38] <piless> SpeedEvil: It won't be a problem obtaining that, especially since they'll be crying most of the time
[12:39] <deafanon> good morning ladies & gentlemen
[12:39] <xlq> Isn't there some sort of electrochemical way of harvesting energy from them too?
[12:39] <Hexxeh> wtf
[12:39] <piless> xlq: The salty tears?
[12:39] <Hexxeh> getting 18MB/s read off a class 4 microsd i pinched out my girlfriends DS
[12:39] <cjbaird> xlq: urine!
[12:39] <deafanon> I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good source for bulk buying SD cards for the rPi?
[12:39] <Hexxeh> i only get 19MB/s from the class 10 i'm having trouble with...
[12:39] <deafanon> in the UK
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: I get 12, from a really old 1GB microSD in my phone.
[12:39] <piless> deafanon: How big is bulk?
[12:40] <piless> 7dayshop.com is really cheap and gives bulk discounts
[12:40] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: class usually refers to write speed (most manufacturers)... I have a class 2 sandisk that gives 20MB/s reads and 2MB/s writes :P
[12:40] <Hexxeh> strange :P
[12:40] <Hexxeh> i always assumed it factored in read speeds too
[12:41] <RaYmAn> yeah, it would make sense, but unfortunately not what manufacturers do :(
[12:42] <Hexxeh> has anyone with a pi actually managed to boot it from USB? :/
[12:42] <deafanon> piless: I'm not sure right now how many I'd be wanting to get, it'd probably be a London Hackspace bulk buy
[12:42] <deafanon> which class would be best? 5?
[12:42] <piless> there is no class 5
[12:43] <piless> class 6 is best for the raspberrypi
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[12:43] <piless> deafanon: You should double check with the wiki, because apparently a lot of cards aren't compatible for some reason or other
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[12:44] <deafanon> piless: ok, thanks for the heads up re: that
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[12:44] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I gave up trying to get USB booting going for now and went back to SD images :o
[12:45] <piless> deafanon: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[12:54] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: huh, i was under the impression that it just worked if the root was set
[12:55] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: if you boot from SD and plug a USB stick in, what does it appear as?
[12:55] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: so was I but dammed if I could get it to work with my kernels (built from the RPi trees) so I put it to one side.
[12:56] <Hexxeh> did you try adding an initrd?
[12:56] <Hexxeh> oh wait
[12:56] <Hexxeh> not supported by the bootloader is it
[12:56] <Hexxeh> lol
[12:56] <Hexxeh> i guess it's a missing module thing
[12:56] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: i'll check in a bit, just doing a 1st setup on a build (so all the 1st run type stuff) so that will be busy for about 20 mins based on pervious runs. Off to get some food while that runs.
[12:57] <xlq> [11:54] <Hexxeh> not supported by the bootloader is it
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[12:57] <xlq> Well, you can build an initrd into the kernel image itself.
[12:57] <Hexxeh> oh yeah
[12:57] <Hexxeh> but as a seperate file won't work
[12:57] <xlq> Hmm. Really need a good boot-loader ported.
[12:57] <Hexxeh> like u-boot
[12:57] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I was looking at kexecboot to provide a quick and dirty bootmenu in lew of a decent bootloader ;)
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[12:58] <xlq> kexec. Because GRUB's looking too much like an operating system already.
[13:01] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: at least an embedded ramdisk would allow you to inspect what everything shows up as , whether it mounts etc :) (god damn, I want my Pi to be here now :( )
[13:02] <Hexxeh> true
[13:02] <Hexxeh> being lazy and using the binaries on the rpi firmware repo atm
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[13:12] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: does the rpi partially boot or anything on the class 10 card? as in, does kernel get loaded/print kmsg?
[13:12] <Hexxeh> kernel loads
[13:12] <Hexxeh> but it fails waiting for root device
[13:12] <Hexxeh> so you can boot the kernel from a class 10
[13:12] <Hexxeh> just not the rootfs
[13:12] <xlq> Maybe it needs to wait a bit longer
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[13:12] <RaYmAn> 'k, so bootloader can talk to class 10 - that's at least something, heh
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[13:13] <Hexxeh> yeah
[13:14] <Hexxeh> interestingly it totally failed when i connected a hub
[13:14] <Hexxeh> LOTS of error spew in the console
[13:16] <flaushy> RaYmAn: didnt they find the problem was when kernel switches to high speed? (and therefore change in voltage that they cant provide)
[13:16] <Hexxeh> yeah
[13:16] <Hexxeh> when it switches to 1.8v signalling
[13:17] <flaushy> so basicly a hardware fuckup, which could work with a patched kernel
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[13:17] <haltdef_> don't class 10s usually have apalling randoms anyway?
[13:17] <Hexxeh> flaushy: worked around
[13:18] <Hexxeh> you won't be able to get them into high speed mode ever on the rpi
[13:18] <Hexxeh> since it's hard wired at 3.3v
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[13:18] <flaushy> Hexxeh: yeah
[13:18] <flaushy> Hexxeh: but you can use class 10 cards, just not full speed
[13:18] <xlq> Wait, SD cards are "high speed" and "full speed" too?
[13:18] <flaushy> xlq: whatever it is called :)
[13:20] <mjr> yeah there are different modes of operating an sd card. Don't remember whatever they are.
[13:20] <mjr> but slower and simpler and then faster ;)
[13:20] <flaushy> it will just avoid ppl getting frustrated because of a wrong bought sdcard
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[13:21] <piless> are you referring to sdhc?
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[13:30] <Hexxeh> got it booted off a class 4
[13:30] <Hexxeh> slow as you'd expect since there's no accel
[13:30] <Hexxeh> still awesome though :P
[13:31] <mjr> yay
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[13:31] <flaushy> \o/
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[13:32] <shirro> i know benchmarks are silly but can you run gtkperf?
[13:32] <Hexxeh> definitely nada in terms of USB boot
[13:32] <Hexxeh> makes doing Chrome stuff really difficult
[13:33] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: did you figure out what usb flash disk shows up as (e.g. by plugging it in after booting from sd?)
[13:33] <Hexxeh> sda
[13:33] <Hexxeh> but it's just not there during boot
[13:34] <RaYmAn> I guess ramdisk will be the way to go then
[13:34] <mjr> and good if it's just a matter of having the kernel not try to drive the card in an unsupported mode
[13:34] <mjr> better than the earlier hypothesis that it was the blob doing something wonky
[13:35] <mjr> at least the kernel can be fixed independently
[13:35] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: tried rootdelay=something? :)
[13:35] <xlq> rootwait
[13:35] <flaushy> Hexxeh: is there a uboot on it?
[13:35] <xlq> flaushy: No.
[13:35] <flaushy> thx xlq :)
[13:35] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: I've tried watching the dmesg, really, it never appears
[13:35] <flaushy> what do they use then?
[13:36] <xlq> flaushy: The secret Broadcom software loads the kernel off the SD card.
[13:36] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: oh - so usb doesn't work at all if plugged in at boot?
[13:36] <flaushy> xlq: bummer
[13:36] <xlq> flaushy: The secret Broadcom software should be able to load U-boot.
[13:37] <flaushy> xlq: the secret makes me sad :(
[13:37] <xlq> Me too.
[13:40] <Hexxeh> shirro: what package is gtkperf in?
[13:40] <shirro> in its own package
[13:40] <Hexxeh> installing
[13:40] <shirro> wait. am on ubuntu - i will check that in a debian chroot
[13:41] <Hexxeh> yeah, got it on debian
[13:41] <shirro> best I can get on unaccelerated X on an IMX53 (1Ghz A8) is around 43s. It only gets worse if I use X acceleration.
[13:43] <flaushy> should be in squeeze stable
[13:43] <flaushy> ah too slow :)
[13:43] <Hexxeh> okay, running now
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[13:44] <shirro> ofcourse not sure if my current hacked up kernel is running at 1Ghz or not. Should check that I guess.
[13:44] <Hexxeh> really though, i'd except a shocking time, lack of acceleration really pins this
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[13:46] <Hexxeh> we're on about 2 minutes at this point :P
[13:46] <Hexxeh> still going, drawing lines at the moment
[13:46] <Hexxeh> now circles
[13:46] <xlq> 100 rounds?
[13:46] <Hexxeh> yeah
[13:46] <Hexxeh> default
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[13:47] <shirro> yeah, sorry should have said that
[13:47] <xlq> Just got the injured gingerbread men to go.
[13:47] <xlq> You'll probably be able to see what they actually are at that speed.
[13:47] <Hexxeh> 260.78
[13:48] <Hexxeh> they look like ducks btw
[13:48] <Hexxeh> so that's 4 minutes 20 seconds
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[13:48] <xlq> Ahh, but which engine were you using?
[13:49] <xlq> Is it faster if you use a simple engine like Mist?
[13:49] <Hexxeh> i should mention i don't know much about gtk
[13:49] <shirro> Yep, that makes a big difference (but not 3min)
[13:49] <Hexxeh> when my other one arrives on monday
[13:49] <Hexxeh> i'll set it up with ssh and let folks play
[13:49] <shirro> damn, i am not running at full clock anyway
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[13:54] <flaushy> thx Hexxeh
[13:55] <shirro> I might be able to get 25% faster than that if I wasn't running at 800Mhz. Better go recompile u-boot...again! Enjoy your Pi. Sounds like fun.
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[14:01] <shirro> strike that. it was 1G. my u-boot sets the clock AFTER it displays it somehow. How many bpp is X running at?
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[14:02] <Hexxeh> 16
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[14:02] <shirro> cool. thanks. I can start to get a feel for what will and won't work well
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[14:05] <piless> I bet everything won't work well
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[14:14] <zgreg> 16bpp? ugh
[14:14] <zgreg> well, I bet 24bpp is too slow for unaccelerated rendering
[14:14] <zgreg> but it shouldn't make much of a difference if there's acceleration
[14:15] <Hexxeh> cheeky bastard! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261003305178#ht_500wt_1415
[14:15] <zgreg> piless: lots of disappointed people that bought into the hype in 3...2...1...
[14:15] <Hexxeh> kid gets given a rpi bundle by eben
[14:15] <Hexxeh> sells it on ebay :(
[14:15] <Hexxeh> because he's "not into computing"
[14:16] <shirro> wait until all the xbmc people get them :-) $5 pis on eBay any day now
[14:16] <zgreg> piless: oh and I wasn't referring to the ebay auction
[14:16] <piless> is it out yet?
[14:16] <zgreg> shirro: no way
[14:17] <piless> Hexxeh: Link?
[14:17] <zgreg> shirro: with the huge demand you're more likely to see $100 pis on ebay
[14:17] <piless> Hexxeh: Nevermind, saw it
[14:17] <zgreg> Hexxeh: he might not be into computing, but he's into money
[14:17] <piless> little fucker
[14:18] <Hexxeh> clearly
[14:18] <zgreg> Hexxeh: what are you going to do with the pi?
[14:18] <Hexxeh> run Chrome OS on it
[14:18] <Hexxeh> and keep it connected to my TV
[14:19] <Hexxeh> for sofa browsing
[14:19] <Hexxeh> got a lovely wireless keyboard mouse set
[14:19] <piless> I'm going to use it as a htpc to piss off you lot
[14:19] <xlq> [13:13] <Hexxeh> because he's "not into computing"
[14:19] <xlq> Even if he was... it's at ??173 at the moment. It was a smart move :D
[14:19] <M0RBD> zgreg: I personally think it might backfire against any future similar project..
[14:19] <zgreg> Hexxeh: but you aren't a mere user, are you?
[14:19] <Hexxeh> zgreg: no, i'm porting chrome os
[14:20] <zgreg> anyway, I can't imagine chromeos will run acceptably
[14:20] <zgreg> too little ram and cpu performance
[14:20] <zgreg> chrome is a memory hog
[14:20] <M0RBD> heh
[14:20] <chod> netsurf would run
[14:20] <Hexxeh> it is, true
[14:20] <Hexxeh> but the underlying stack underneath it is very light
[14:20] <zgreg> the multi process system eats up memory very quickly
[14:20] <Hexxeh> so it should be the best browsing experience of the lot
[14:21] <piless> Stick android on it. My phone has similar specs and can browse the web fine
[14:21] <zgreg> we'll see, but I doubt it
[14:21] <Hexxeh> compared to say debian, fedora etc
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[14:21] <xlq> [13:18] <zgreg> the multi process system eats up memory very quickly
[14:22] <zgreg> piless: it's not running a huge hi-res screen though, uses a highly optimized mobile browser, and often falls back to mobile sites
[14:22] <xlq> But forked processes can share a lot of memory, so don't be fooled by high memory usage as displayed by top or ps
[14:22] <M0RBD> To be honest... BeOS from 1998 runs smoother than ChromeOS :D
[14:22] <zgreg> xlq: of course, but every process has a certain overhead. just a few megabytes, but that adds up quickly if you have less than 200 MB to start with.
[14:23] <flaushy> M0RBD: i saw the same demos from BeOS in 2000 and later at their booth... they were still impressive
[14:23] <M0RBD> flaushy: indeed.
[14:23] <xlq> zgreg: Hmm.
[14:23] <flaushy> M0RBD: did you follow Haiku?
[14:23] <M0RBD> flaushy: yes to a certain extent.
[14:23] <flaushy> is it "alive"?
[14:24] <zgreg> likely there's about 180 MB left after GPU memory and linux kernel
[14:24] <zgreg> and that's not much, really
[14:24] <M0RBD> haiku-os.org seems so.
[14:24] <piless> can openelec run a browser?
[14:24] <Hexxeh> 160MB left for Xorg/Chrome, I cheked
[14:24] <Hexxeh> *checked
[14:25] <M0RBD> flaushy: 4.5 used to have a PPC port which worked on Mac... however I recall correctly Apple did something naughty and 5.0 did not have ppc included.
[14:25] <M0RBD> flaushy: anyhow it was really impressive back then compared to Linux evn...
[14:26] <flaushy> M0RBD: yeah i saw it on cebit in the 90s
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[14:26] <flaushy> and was suprised to find the same demos still around years later :)
[14:26] <flaushy> and still like it, given the spec it ran on back then
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[14:27] <flaushy> but no decent apps, no use :/
[14:27] <zgreg> unfortunately, beos didn't offer much beyond some fancy demos
[14:27] <M0RBD> flaushy: yeah :/
[14:27] <Hexxeh> wow...
[14:27] <Hexxeh> https://twitter.com/#!/raspberry_pi/status/191139975595692032
[14:27] <zgreg> and it was already outdated when it first appeared
[14:27] <zgreg> a single user system
[14:27] <flaushy> and zeta was sold here on tv as a great os... so it is basicly dead
[14:28] <flaushy> if anyone bought it, he got crap. So i guess it is burnt
[14:29] <piless> Hexxeh: Regardless of how personally eben would feel it would be a massive PR disaster for the foundation to kick up a fuss
[14:29] <Hexxeh> meh, i guess
[14:29] <Hexxeh> tbf, judging by his username, he's too young to have a paypal or ebay acount anyway
[14:29] <Hexxeh> so it's tempting to report him and get it removed for that reason
[14:29] <piless> Here's hoping he sells it to a nigerian scammer
[14:30] <flaushy> i dont think it is a desaster
[14:30] <cjbaird> You don't have to go to Nigera to find an eBay scammer. :P
[14:30] <flaushy> it brings to attention that the foundation tries with everyone
[14:31] <piless> Hexxeh: Also it could be the case that the kid took it home, and the scumbag parents took it off him/her to sell it
[14:32] <cjbaird> If the kid is from a family anything like mine, maybe his Mum took it off him and is selling it... :/ ("I NEED THE MONIES!!!11")
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[14:32] <M0RBD> piless/Hexxeh: Unfortunately I'm not to suprised if thats the kid... Tells you about the state of youngster today..
[14:33] <flaushy> why? it is a smart move. You cant do anything with it, and buy a new one later
[14:33] <piless> M0RBD: I am certain that the generation before yours said the exact same thing about your generation
[14:33] <M0RBD> heh
[14:33] <flaushy> question is if he tried to get a pi in the first place, or whether he gotten it by chance (uh my class was selected)
[14:34] <piless> flaushy: It's scummy. It was a gift, if he had no plans to use it then he should have said no so another kid could get it.
[14:34] <M0RBD> piless: agreed.
[14:35] <flaushy> nowadays you get so many advertisement gifts, so why? just because this marketing gift is from pi foundation?
[14:36] <flaushy> and by selling it he gives the chance for someone else to use it
[14:36] <piless> flaushy: The creator of the device personally gave it to him..
[14:36] <M0RBD> flaushy: But if he's not into computing why did he go to the lanuch event?
[14:36] <flaushy> M0RBD: see my question above
[14:36] <cjbaird> Mummy can but a lot of cigs and scotch with 173 pounds.. :P
[14:36] <flaushy> if you are a regional and there is a huge fuzz about it?
[14:36] <piless> flaushy: Do you honestly believe another kid is going to get the winning ebay bid?
[14:37] <M0RBD> piless: nope
[14:37] <flaushy> piless: no. Do you honestly think someone is willing to pay 170 just for a device that gets shipped in a couple of days?
[14:37] <M0RBD> flaushy: apparently there are 19 people atm.
[14:37] <flaushy> M0RBD: yeah collectors i bet.
[14:37] <piless> flaushy: No shit, but it's definitely not going to be a kid.
[14:38] <M0RBD> err 19 bids
[14:38] <flaushy> so. First batch was dev boards.
[14:38] <RaYmAn> hm, starting price was actually 0.99GBP
[14:38] <RaYmAn> Slightly less douchy =P
[14:38] <piless> RaYmAn: Yeah but that doesn't mean anything.
[14:38] <piless> RaYmAn: They can set a hidden minimum that they will actually sell for
[14:40] <RaYmAn> piless: I guess - but it's slightly less douchy if that was set sufficiently low - We won't know , but people certainly have bid it up themselves (e.g. if no one wanted ot pay 170, it would still be at around 30-40GBP)
[14:40] <M0RBD> I hope RaspberryPI get's sold at Craplin here in the UK, that would atleast end online speculation here.
[14:41] <piless> RaYmAn: Well it's a 3 day auction and it's not going to grab any attention starting at ??50
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[14:42] <piless> M0RBD: I don't think that will happen, because retailers typically add on a sizable chunk onto the RRP to make it profitable for them. Unless farnell/RP decide to sell to them at a largely discounted price.
[14:43] <xlq> "Craplin" :)
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[14:43] <piless> Fuck maplin.
[14:43] <M0RBD> :D
[14:43] <piless> They're dying anyway
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[14:45] <xlq> What's wrong with Maplin except the poor stock?
[14:48] <piless> their existance
[14:48] <Hexxeh> okay
[14:48] <xlq> That explains nothing.
[14:48] <Hexxeh> got a bit further by hacking things up
[14:49] <Hexxeh> mbr style chromeos
[14:49] <Hexxeh> doesn't want to mount the ext2 root though, odd
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[14:49] <piless> Hexxeh: Have you tried slapping it around a bit?
[14:49] <piless> To show it whos boss
[14:49] <xlq> Slap failed: out of trouts.
[14:50] <M0RBD> I wonder whether anyone tried QNX on the PI.
[14:51] <Hexxeh> probably a bit early yet
[14:51] <M0RBD> yeah
[14:51] <friggle> yes, highly unlikely. I don't know of any qnx devs getting one
[14:51] <friggle> qnx on the dreamcast seemed fun though
[14:51] <xlq> It's non-free though, isn't it?
[14:51] <friggle> yep :(
[14:52] <M0RBD> yeah its closed source :/
[14:52] <friggle> but then so's riscos
[14:52] <M0RBD> tru
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[14:54] <delinquentme> ha HA!
[14:54] <delinquentme> it does exist!
[14:54] <M0RBD> Anyway time for late lunch...
[14:54] <M0RBD> delinquentme: really.
[14:54] <xlq> What does?
[14:55] <M0RBD> The meaning of life?
[14:55] * M0RBD upsets his neighbours with some TwistedSister...
[14:55] <delinquentme> ^^^
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[14:57] <delinquentme> I've been prototyping a liquid handler and I'm very much concerned with the implementation of the software/hardware stack
[14:58] <delinquentme> There are however a few steadfast things I need. One of which is a computer running a server, ideally some form of linux
[14:59] <piless> a liquid handler?
[14:59] <M0RBD> moonshine?
[14:59] <delinquentme> hahah
[14:59] <piless> in a bathtub
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[14:59] <delinquentme> https://github.com/delinquentme/LH002/raw/master/images/LH002_full_04.png
[15:00] <delinquentme> https://github.com/delinquentme/LH002/raw/master/images/LH002_full_01.png
[15:00] <delinquentme> biology
[15:00] <delinquentme> and chemistry
[15:00] <piless> zzz
[15:00] <piless> I think you should make moonshine instead
[15:00] <delinquentme> anyways... I feel like this is a silly question but is there any specific reason that the raspberrypi should ... NOT be used for something like this?
[15:01] <delinquentme> reliability is necessary
[15:01] <delinquentme> low cost .. also necessary
[15:01] <delinquentme> so I figured it would be an ideal choice
[15:01] <piless> delinquentme: Do you plan on controlling the robotics directly with the pi?
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> delinquentme: In principle, it may be useful for random control stuff.
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> delinquentme: The problem at the moment is you can't buy one.
[15:02] <delinquentme> pie >> additional MCs with specific chips or sensors >> steppers / servos / sensors
[15:02] <delinquentme> pi**
[15:02] * delinquentme drools on self
[15:02] <M0RBD> piless: that what I did in college... the janitor caught us... all he said was "nice one"
[15:02] <M0RBD> :D
[15:05] <M0RBD> delinquentme: Have you checked the specs/wiki page? I can't see why you could not use the PI. That said, what I/O do you intend to use to communicate with the devices?
[15:06] <flaushy> http://pi.nersc.gov/cgi-bin/pi.cgi?word=raspberry&format=char :/
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[15:07] <M0RBD> flaushy: heh
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[15:07] <piless> flaushy: Is that supposed to be a joke or something?
[15:07] <Matt> better
[15:08] <delinquentme> M0RBD, i saw this gertboard
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[15:11] <M0RBD> delinquentme: yes, gertboard can highly likely get you far.
[15:11] <M0RBD> Anyway lunch time then... a quick run.
[15:12] <M0RBD> err dyslexia
[15:12] <M0RBD> otherway round..
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[15:16] <zgreg> delinquentme: do you want to control servos, etc. with the pi?
[15:17] <zgreg> if that is the case, you have pretty strict realtime requirements, and the pi won't fulfill them
[15:18] <PaulFertser> zgreg: how do you tell pi wouldn't be able to react fast? It's definitely possible to run a RTOS on it.
[15:18] <zgreg> which aren't available on the pi
[15:19] <delinquentme> zgreg, yeah thats part of the issue ... i'm really interested in how I can get that poll rate to where it needs to be to run things
[15:19] <PaulFertser> zgreg: do you mean Xenomai won't run on it? Why?
[15:19] <zgreg> but even with a capable RTOS, you'll likely get pretty horrible jitter,
[15:19] <flaushy> hmm a small addon board with many PWMs would be nice :)
[15:20] <zgreg> IIRC you can't really get better than 50ns jitter on those ARM SoCs
[15:20] <zgreg> just use a small 8-bit MCU for the hard realtime stuff
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[15:20] <hamitron> won't it depend on how accurate you need it?
[15:21] <zgreg> hamitron: of course, but for typical control applications 50ns is pretty bad...
[15:22] <zgreg> PaulFertser: xenomai might be able to run on it (if drivers don't ruin it), but that will not really help much
[15:22] <delinquentme> I've basically got up to 12 cores on this machine. I need 2 steppers, 1 string pot and 1 linear actuator
[15:23] <delinquentme> per core
[15:23] <hamitron> I guess the r-pi would be good, to use as the user interface.... to program another board connected, that is more fit for the purpose of control
[15:23] <zgreg> the raspberry pi in general isn't very good for low-level I/O stuff
[15:23] <zgreg> hamitron: yes
[15:25] <PaulFertser> zgreg: i think the latency and jitter requirements depend a lot on the target application.
[15:25] <PaulFertser> Also, arm11 is much better in this regard than arm9.
[15:26] <zgreg> http://veter-project.blogspot.de/2011/09/real-time-enough-about-pwms-and-shaky.html
[15:26] <zgreg> check this out
[15:27] <hamitron> tbh, I have a lot of doubt about the r-pi's decisions on design.... what is it REALLY for? it is cheap for education, but why have this video processing? is that purely for educational video tutorials?
[15:27] <delinquentme> yeah I think I need to find the appropriate boards for the polling functions ... but then do I have those run directly off of a desktop? or do I have the desktop server write to a pi .. then to MCs?
[15:30] <zgreg> PaulFertser: of course, but again, for the typical stuff (servo control, etc.) it's not adequate
[15:30] <PaulFertser> zgreg: interesting article but why bitbang instead of using hardware pwm?
[15:30] <mjr> Well it needs to have a gpu to be able to drive a decent display. GPUs tend to come with some video processing capabilities.
[15:30] <zgreg> PaulFertser: because there's only a very limited number of hardware PWMs available
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[15:31] <zgreg> I'm not sure if the pi even makes hardware pwm available
[15:31] <PaulFertser> zgreg: if those are not enough one can use an external IC, right?
[15:31] <zgreg> and if it does, it's probably only a single channel
[15:31] <zgreg> PaulFertser: ...yes, as I was saying before :)
[15:32] <flaushy> that was his 8bit reference ^^
[15:32] <hamitron> mjr, but why have hdmi as a feature, in terms of education?
[15:32] <PaulFertser> zgreg: you're suggesting using an additional uC while i'm talking about hard logic.
[15:32] <zgreg> on a crappy 8-bit MCU you can easily do software PWM with < 1us jitter
[15:32] <mjr> umm, because hdmi is a cheap and common way to hook up a display to it?
[15:32] <zgreg> or you can use the hardware pwm in the mcu, of course
[15:33] <zgreg> PaulFertser: which is less versatile than an MCU, but not any cheaper
[15:33] <shirro> because it is supposed to be like an 80s micro you can hook it up to the family tv. family tvs all have hdmi now
[15:33] <PaulFertser> zgreg: well, ok, i see your point
[15:33] <mjr> cheap as in integrated in lots of chips too, like the one in the pi
[15:33] <hamitron> shirro, not all have hdmi
[15:33] <hamitron> :|
[15:33] <hamitron> hdmi is sort of new
[15:34] <mjr> hence the composite output
[15:34] <shirro> countries like australia gave out a cheque to everyone to keep the big bad GFC away. We all bought tvs.
[15:34] <Hexxeh> god. damn.
[15:34] <zgreg> the pi would have been quite the killer with an avr/pic integrated directly on the board :)
[15:34] <Hexxeh> why does this just keep kernel panicking
[15:35] <Hexxeh> it really doesn't like my ext2 partition
[15:35] <zgreg> the gertboard is a bit too much in my opinion
[15:35] <cjbaird> shirro: I used my 'Rudd Monies' to finally buy a mobile phone. :)
[15:35] <zgreg> I guess it'll be quite expensive also
[15:36] <zgreg> and why PIC?
[15:36] <hamitron> won't an open source addon board be released, that everyone can make? ;)
[15:36] <zgreg> PIC is pretty much the only popular MCU architecture that does not have free compilers available
[15:36] <xlq> zgreg: Gertboard changed to AVR
[15:36] <zgreg> ah, cool
[15:37] <xlq> That's because the 8-bit PIC architecture is horrible.
[15:37] <zgreg> it is
[15:37] <zgreg> but which architecture do you mean? it's actually three...
[15:37] <xlq> Three 8-bit PIC architectures?
[15:37] <zgreg> which makes it even worse
[15:37] <zgreg> yes
[15:37] <xlq> :(
[15:37] <cjbaird> PIC32 isn't much better with the 'free compilers' thing either-- they give out a crippled version of GCC-3.x, tied to Windows, and runs a licencing daemon. FAIL.
[15:38] <mjr> cjbaird, sounds insanish
[15:38] <zgreg> PIC12, PIC14 and PIC18
[15:38] <xlq> What's a "licensing daemon"?
[15:38] <xlq> zgreg: I've only written for PIC16F877A IIRC
[15:38] <cjbaird> x: software that constantly spies on your system to make sure you're Doing What You're Told...
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[15:39] <xlq> :(
[15:39] <xlq> Seriously? Spyware?
[15:39] <xlq> Yet GCC is under the GPL, right?
[15:40] <zgreg> xlq: do you know if gert switched to AVR because of the fucked up compiled situation?
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[15:40] <xlq> zgreg: I think he just said AVR's more popular.
[15:40] <zgreg> heh
[15:40] <cjbaird> Yup, although usually it checks that you're not running multiple copies for multiple users on the same machine, only the 'registered' user is running it, etc.
[15:40] <zgreg> a few years back I remember people saying you should use PIC because it's more popular...
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[15:40] <xlq> cjbaird: But someone can just remove that crap, can't they?
[15:41] <zgreg> arduino probably changed that for good
[15:41] <cjbaird> x: yep w/ GPL... Although it's GCC-3.x.x, so only the 'Tivo-izable' GPL2.
[15:41] <cjbaird> xlq: gee, guess what the licence daemon checks for...
[15:41] <xlq> cjbaird: Well, what does it check for?
[15:42] <cjbaird> It doesn't help that the majority of PIC32 developers are all Windows users....who're accepting of being reemed by proprietary licences, and don't think much of it...
[15:42] <shirro> Hexxeh: you have hardfloat gentoo compiled for the Pi?
[15:42] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[15:43] <shirro> Can you boot it yet? Or still looking at Chrome OS?
[15:43] <zgreg> microchip pulled a pretty ridiculuous stunt with their new "nanowatt" MCUs, too
[15:43] <Hexxeh> still trying to get /anything/ but debian to boot
[15:43] <Hexxeh> instant kernel panic
[15:43] <Hexxeh> seems it's picky about your partitioning
[15:44] <xlq> zgreg: What stunt's that?
[15:44] <zgreg> these "nanowatt" MCUs have a new power saving mode, which indeed does not use much power. how? well, it does not retain SRAM! lol!
[15:44] <xlq> :(
[15:44] <xlq> lol
[15:44] <zgreg> so it's essentially useless
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> It's not.
[15:44] <zgreg> well, good for marketing though
[15:45] <xlq> You might as well have turned the whole thing off, no?
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> If it takes 1mW for 2us to load the registers
[15:45] <cjbaird> zgreg: SRAM is old and dusted. FRAM is the new hotness. :)
[15:45] <zgreg> never mind the fuck that it isn't really interesting whether your MCU sips less power if it is below 1 uA
[15:45] <zgreg> err, fact, not fuck :)
[15:45] <hamitron> haha
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> 1uA is 100mAh over 10 years
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[15:45] <SpeedEvil> that's quite a large cell
[15:45] <hamitron> how did that typo come about? ;)
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[15:46] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: yeah, but state-of-the-art MCUs already need way less than 1 uA in power-down mode
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[15:46] * SpeedEvil finds it annoying that you can't get 1/3AAAA li-ion
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[15:46] <zgreg> so the "innovation" microchip advertises is really useless
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[15:47] <zgreg> especially because it's so hard to make any use of it
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[15:52] <Hexxeh> it seems a large chunk of time spent booting the debian image is wasted getting a dhcp lease
[15:52] <Hexxeh> shouldn't that /not/ block the boot?
[15:52] <xlq> Hexxeh: Depends. Maybe you need to mount some NFS stuff.
[15:52] <xlq> But yeah, that irritates me.
[15:53] <Hexxeh> if you don't have a network cable plugged in, it takes over a minute to timeout
[15:53] <xlq> It should at least detect no carrier :)
[15:53] <Hexxeh> doesn't appear to
[15:53] <mchou> It does if you enable network hotplugging
[15:55] <mjr> which inspires me to ask if the pi can wake on lan ;P
[15:55] <xlq> Why would you want that?
[15:56] <xlq> It uses so little power already! :P
[15:56] <mchou> mjr: just keep the pi running
[15:57] <mjr> yeah it probably eats much less alive than a desktop that waits for wake packets, but hey
[15:57] <mchou> xlq: it's debatable if 7W constitutes "little" power
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[15:57] <xlq> 7W now? I'm sure its power consumption rating keeps going up :P
[15:57] <mjr> 3.5W really
[15:58] <mchou> 3.5 if you con't have a physical hard disk
[15:58] <mchou> don't*
[15:59] <mjr> yes well, also 3.5W if you don't have a USB coffe mug heater
[16:00] <mkopack> 'morning guys??? Hexxeh go intercept the postman and get his Pi?
[16:01] <Hexxeh> yup :P
[16:01] <Hexxeh> getting pwned by kernel panic though
[16:01] <mjr> pwnic
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> 3.5 is painful in some apps
[16:04] <mjr> certainly
[16:04] <Hexxeh> usually if it kernel panics, not syncing, you get some useful error spew before it
[16:04] <Hexxeh> but nada, nothing
[16:05] <masterburner> hey, does anyone know when the people that didn't get in right at the start will start begin to receive their Pis? can't wait to start messing around with it :)
[16:07] <piless> masterburner: january
[16:08] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Is this with the Debian build or with your own?
[16:08] <Hexxeh> my own
[16:08] <masterburner> very funny
[16:08] <mkopack> Ah, but works fine with the Debian right?
[16:08] <Hexxeh> i bet even if i copied the debian fs to the partition it'd do it though
[16:08] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[16:08] <shirro> Hexxeh: your kernel or theirs?
[16:08] <Hexxeh> theirs
[16:08] <mkopack> masterburner: Just sit tight??? The post today by Liz indicates that the backlog should clear VERY quickly.
[16:09] <mkopack> Hmmm, so it's not working at all? Or just not working with your OS build?
[16:09] <shirro> try another sd card ;-)
[16:09] <masterburner> I am sitting tight... just wondering how long it'll take ;)
[16:09] <Hexxeh> mkopack: It refuses to boot from any partition I create
[16:09] <Hexxeh> Premade images work okay, but it doesn't like anything I give it
[16:10] <masterburner> seeing all these posts and the lovely conversation in the IRC about people getting their Pis running really puts me in the mood to build something with it :)
[16:10] <mkopack> masterburner: Nobody knows that right now??? Not until RS+Farnel update their inventory systems, which Liz indicated should happen next week
[16:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: pepedog posted some scripts on the forum he uses to set up the partitions
[16:10] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Hmm, ok, so it's just something you're doing then???
[16:10] <masterburner> alright, thank you
[16:11] <Hexxeh> mkopack: it's acting as if there's nothing in the partition i give it at all
[16:11] <mkopack> Hmmm??? What filesystem type you setting the partition up as?
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[16:11] <mkopack> BRb, need to clean my glasses, holy christ they're filty
[16:11] <mkopack> filthy
[16:11] <Hexxeh> tried ext2 and ext4
[16:12] <friggle> boot partition must be fat32
[16:12] <Hexxeh> yeah it is
[16:12] <Hexxeh> it boots the kernel no problem from that
[16:12] <friggle> ah ok
[16:12] <mkopack> Hmm.
[16:12] <haltdef_> mkopack, that's why I wear contact lenses :P
[16:13] <haltdef_> *hate* glasses
[16:13] <mkopack> haltdef_: I do too??? hell, this pair of glasses is from when I was in COLLEGE! (15+ years ago)
[16:13] <friggle> Hexxeh: is this a known good SD card? I have some that are fine for loading the kernel, but once loaded the kernel can't use the card
[16:13] <mkopack> I just haven't showered and put my contacts in yet??? just got up
[16:13] <haltdef_> they get in the way and attract every bit of grease or other forms of gunk within a 40 mile radius
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[16:13] <Hexxeh> friggle: Debian booted from it no problem
[16:13] <haltdef_> even had a laser eye surgery consult :P
[16:14] <haltdef_> contacts were a fallback should that not be possible, which it isn't
[16:14] <haltdef_> :(
[16:14] <mkopack> haltdef_: I thought about that, and was going to do it last year, but then the eye dr. said my eyes started changing again and I was no longer a candidate for Lasik.. Grrr
[16:14] <friggle> Hexxeh: boot a kernel with a built in initrd and poke around to see what's going wrong?
[16:14] <mkopack> Startign to get old man eyes
[16:14] <haltdef_> I'm not and never will be a candidate for any kind of laser eye surgery ever
[16:14] <masterburner> I wouldn't want my eyes lasered... what if something goes wrong?
[16:14] <Hexxeh> gonna try and take the debian image and gut it with my own partition images
[16:15] <mkopack> masterburner: Yeah, that's why I kinda waited on it
[16:15] <friggle> yeah, might be easiest
[16:15] <masterburner> yeah, they do the procedure 10 times every day, bla bla bla, but what IF...
[16:15] <haltdef_> always that risk too
[16:15] <masterburner> you'd completely mess up your eyes
[16:15] <masterburner> glasses work fine for me
[16:15] <mkopack> Yeah, and my eyes and hands ARE my profession
[16:15] <masterburner> cleaning them is a 20 second job :P
[16:15] <haltdef_> the surgeon believed that risk to be far higher than acceptable with my eyes
[16:15] <mkopack> I don't like glasses though because they're a pain when riding the motorcycle
[16:15] <masterburner> well... eyes are handy for just about everything
[16:16] <M0RBD> even if you do laser treatment you will highly likely get a regression later.
[16:16] <masterburner> hmmm, that's a good point... wearing a helmet + glasses is a pain in the ass
[16:16] <haltdef_> some companies will redo it for free if it does regress
[16:16] <mkopack> As a former boss told me when I mentioned to him that I started motorcycle racing - "I don't care what you do so long as your hands and your head are in one piece and able to work"
[16:16] <M0RBD> haltdef_: if the eye allows it...
[16:16] <haltdef_> aside from when you hit 45 and you can't focus as well, nothing they can do about that
[16:16] <haltdef_> mm
[16:17] <mkopack> Thinking that when I go for my yearly I'm going to get new contacts AND new glasses this time around
[16:17] <masterburner> gotta reboot this old brick, brb
[16:17] <mkopack> And might also get a pair of those computer glasses to help with my vision when using the comp
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[16:18] <piless> mkopack: these HD glasses are such bull
[16:18] <M0RBD> I'm planning to get Roy Orbison/Buddy Holly style glases...
[16:18] <M0RBD> :D
[16:18] <mkopack> Oh, yeah, those are dumb...
[16:18] <haltdef_> I'd like to try monthly lenses you leave in overnight
[16:18] <piless> All you need is an anti-glare coating
[16:18] <haltdef_> whack em in, forget
[16:18] <mkopack> halt: I can't use those. My eyes make WAY too much gunk, especially this time of year with all the GD MF'ing pollen in the air
[16:19] <mkopack> I have to use daily wear
[16:19] <mkopack> replace every month
[16:19] <haltdef_> I have dailies atm, monthly didn't work for me at all
[16:20] <M0RBD> I'll look like Lewis Skolnick in them..
[16:20] <haltdef_> might have just been doing it wrong looking back on the trial, looked like there was a massive fingerprint on the lens
[16:20] <M0RBD> Ouah-Ouah-ha-ha-ha *nerd laugh*
[16:21] <mkopack> Oh dear god...
[16:21] <mkopack> (Forums post) : "was wondering if it would be possible to make one that had some extra stuff on it such as, RAM, USBs, PCI/PCIe slot, perhaps even a second processor that can be linked with the first to make it more powerful"
[16:21] <mkopack> REALLY??? Sigh
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[16:21] <SpeedEvil> hah
[16:21] <piless> why isn't the japanese lady wearing an anti-static strap?
[16:21] <mkopack> sure kid, it's called "Go find a 12 yr old Athlon or Pentium 3"
[16:21] <xlq> Or pico-ITX or whatever.
[16:22] <mkopack> piless: Porcelain isn't conductive ? ;)
[16:22] <masterburner> piless: if you need to wear an esd strap to safely handle a pi, a lot of Pis are going to get destroyed...
[16:22] <piless> mkopack: you so racist
[16:22] <mkopack> lol???
[16:22] <mkopack> I was complementing her on her nice skin
[16:23] <mkopack> I don't usually go for asian women, but she was cute :)
[16:23] <masterburner> plus when components are mounted to a board, they aren't that sensitive to esd anymore
[16:23] <xlq> What Japanese lady?
[16:23] <mkopack> xlq: the one from the Japanese news broadcast on the RPi
[16:23] <piless> xlq: blog post
[16:23] <mkopack> Front page blog post
[16:23] <xlq> Oh!
[16:24] <xlq> No, I don't leave an RSS reader open. Why do you ask? :P
[16:24] <piless> it was amazingly tame for japan
[16:24] <mkopack> Can't understand jack crap they're saying??? other than "Interneto" and "keyboard"
[16:24] <piless> mkopack: Yeah I was suprised they use the english word for keyboard
[16:24] <masterburner> lol, we need a bot that spams the IRC for 10 minutes whenever a new blog post apears
[16:25] <piless> masterburner: mkopack does that already, we don't need a bot.
[16:25] <mkopack> hehe, the little quirky music and graphics while she's plugging the peripherals in was funny??? they have some REALLY wacky TV production ideas over there
[16:25] <mkopack> hehe
[16:25] <mkopack> I try!
[16:25] <masterburner> mkopack: I was thinking the same... HUGE cultural difference there...
[16:25] <IT_Sean> masterburner, no. we don't.
[16:25] <haltdef_> NO BOTS
[16:25] <masterburner> IT_Sean: just kidding, don't worry :)
[16:25] <piless> mkopack: I like the whole always have the celebrities faces in the corner of the screen so we know how to react to the content we're watching
[16:25] <xlq> Whoa, r-pi story is on front-page of BBC news
[16:26] <piless> xlq: bleh, there was a bbc article when it launched
[16:26] <xlq> piless: lol
[16:26] <xlq> re: celebrities' faces
[16:26] <piless> our western television needs more mascots
[16:27] <xlq> What's a "masterclass"?
[16:27] <piless> their studio set design is quite weird.
[16:27] <mkopack> I just wish we could get rid of all these damn American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, The Voice, America's Got Tallent, etc BS shows
[16:27] <xlq> "Dr Upton will also be holding a programming masterclass" ... doesn't sound very introductory.
[16:27] <M0RBD> masterclass? Is that something German.
[16:28] <mkopack> no, that's "Master Race" lol
[16:28] <masterburner> xlq: I felt the same... sounds a bit TOO profesional...
[16:28] <M0RBD> hehe
[16:28] <piless> "A master class is a class given to students of a particular discipline by an expert of that discipline???usually music, but also painting, drama, any of the arts, or on any other occasion where skills are being developed."
[16:28] <masterburner> I mean... a "masterclass" for 10 ... 15 year olds?
[16:28] <xlq> Should be noviceclass
[16:29] <mkopack> ah, so it's like if a Guest lecturer PhD came in to teach your math class
[16:29] <shirro> the Pi looks so big in her hands
[16:29] <xlq> Apprentice, journeyman, adept, master...
[16:29] <mkopack> shirro: that's cause her hands are so tiny
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[16:29] <mkopack> Hmmm, maybe DO need to start dating asian women???.
[16:29] <friggle> they came in novices, went out masters. We're putting them in charge of ongoing kernel development starting next week
[16:29] <piless> what the fuck are you guys going on about
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[16:30] <masterburner> piless: the "masterclass" on the Pi Eben gave to a bunch of young kids :P
[16:30] <piless> oh
[16:31] <M0RBD> The same kids that just went there to get one so they could sell it on eBay?
[16:31] <piless> Personally I think at certain angles eben looks like a stereotypical pedophile
[16:31] <M0RBD> They must have read Sir Allan Sugars book...
[16:31] <masterburner> yup, unfortunately...
[16:31] <masterburner> ungrateful little brat if you ask me...
[16:31] <M0RBD> masterburner: true
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[16:32] <xlq> What does a stereotypical paedophile look like? O_o
[16:33] <M0RBD> I once saw a kid on the tube with a Che Guevara t-shirt... he told his friends where he bought it... I was a bit drunk so I turned around and said... Son have you bought it?! Comrade Che would have been disappointed... You should have stolen the t-shirt and painted it on yourself... They where left speechless.
[16:33] * M0RBD likes polticial trolling...
[16:33] <piless> xlq: eben
[16:34] <M0RBD> heh
[16:34] <piless> M0RBD: btw that wasn't trolling
[16:34] <M0RBD> piless: correction... winding up
[16:34] <M0RBD> :D
[16:35] <M0RBD> Speakers corner in London is a true winner on that.
[16:35] <piless> was it even that though
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[16:37] <M0RBD> Anyway... going to do some other stuff here.. ttyl
[16:37] <Hexxeh> aha
[16:37] <Hexxeh> progress
[16:38] <Hexxeh> booted the emergency kernel image, depmod -a, now we're back in business
[16:38] <Hexxeh> image boots, but lots of errors
[16:38] <friggle> Hexxeh: what are you trying to boot?
[16:38] <Hexxeh> lots of prefetch abort exceptions
[16:38] <Hexxeh> chrome os
[16:38] <friggle> Hexxeh: neat, any hopes of hooking up graphics acceleration?
[16:39] <Hexxeh> no
[16:39] <Hexxeh> drivers don't exist yet
[16:39] <M0RBD> good luck
[16:39] <friggle> I'm not familiar with ChromeOS's graphics architecture, but you can do a reasonable amount with the Broadcom drivers
[16:39] <xlq> Is prefetch desirable without very much RAM?
[16:39] <friggle> eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM should allow a compositing window manager
[16:39] <zgreg> chromeos uses a custom grapics system, as far as I know
[16:39] <Hexxeh> it's still based on X11
[16:40] <zgreg> wait, really?
[16:40] <Hexxeh> yes
[16:40] <zgreg> then you are doomed (for now) :)
[16:40] <Hexxeh> in terms of accel yeah
[16:40] <haltdef_> I can't see the pi being useful with x11 at all
[16:40] <Hexxeh> i'd be happy to get it running unaccel though
[16:40] <shirro> friggle: have you seen a header file for those broadcom egl extensions?
[16:41] <zgreg> haltdef_: with capable drivers, it should be quite useful
[16:41] <haltdef_> it was the ram I was thinking of
[16:41] <zgreg> but someone has to write these drivers
[16:41] <Hexxeh> oh yeah baby
[16:41] <Hexxeh> chromeos splash screen on my TV :D
[16:41] <haltdef_> is the documentation out there for it to be possible?
[16:41] <friggle> shirro: yes, but I'm not sure I can redistribute
[16:41] <zgreg> but just look at the desolate driver situation on the beagleboard, etc
[16:42] <zgreg> haltdef_: more or less, yes
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[16:42] <shirro> ok. I saw all those functions in the lib but is kind of awkward to use them without prototypes
[16:42] <flaushy> \o/ Hexxeh
[16:42] <Hexxeh> okay, everything but X is running now
[16:42] <friggle> shirro: there are issues with eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM at the moment anyway :/
[16:42] <Hexxeh> and X was actually launching before
[16:42] <Hexxeh> so we're almost there
[16:42] <Hexxeh> X launch will fail because it's looking for the stateful part on part1 and there's a fat part there
[16:43] <Hexxeh> i'll have to kludge it to look somewhere else
[16:43] <friggle> haltdef_: X performance isn't that bad, particularly with the L2 enabled
[16:43] <friggle> haltdef_: plus several people are interested in looking at X solutions
[16:43] <friggle> and non-X solutions :)
[16:44] <M0RBD> I dont really see the point of Chrome OS besides being a marketing ploy.
[16:44] <shirro> +1 for non-X
[16:44] <Hexxeh> anyone got the debian xorg.conf to hand?
[16:46] <Hexxeh> nvm, got it
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[16:46] <Hexxeh> okay
[16:46] <Hexxeh> X11 running
[16:48] <mkopack> cool
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[16:48] <hamitron> all you guys got one now?
[16:49] <xlq> No.
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> Nope.
[16:49] <flaushy> nope :(
[16:49] <hamitron> ah, just looked kinda hyper in here
[16:49] <hamitron> ;)
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> I am investigating the similar platform that I have.
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> By playing Angry Birds on it.
[16:49] <mkopack> speed: Lol
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> I have 3*'s on the first lot of 'space'
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[16:51] <piless> SpeedEvil: there's plenty of decent roguelikes on the market
[16:51] <xlq> SpeedEvil: what "similar platform" is that?
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> xlq: Similar in 'not very similar' terms.
[16:51] <xlq> Uh?
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> xlq: A wopad i7
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[16:54] <xlq> SpeedEvil: Can it run GNU/Linux?
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> xlq: :/
[16:55] <piless> xlq: You mean linux
[16:56] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/FpzY
[16:56] <Hexxeh> getting somewhere...
[16:56] <piless> why have you made is so it's only black around the text?
[16:56] <piless> *it
[16:56] <xlq> piless: No, I meant GNU/Linux, specifically to exclude Android.
[16:57] <Hexxeh> piless: normally that text wouldn't be there
[16:57] <Hexxeh> it's debug stuff
[16:57] <Hexxeh> so it the splash gets overwritten
[16:57] <piless> xlq: I refuse to legitamise GNU's claim that linux should be renamed gnu/linux
[16:57] <hamitron> I thought a lot of the android code was working back into the linux kernel in recent versions?
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> I take it you're aware of the kde tablet xlq?
[16:57] <flaushy> the vivaldi?
[16:58] <friggle> piless: the claim is not that linux should be renamed gnu/linux, just that distributions with a GNU userspace should be referred to as GNU/Linux
[16:58] <piless> hamitron: They rejected it because they're butthurt and they don't feel that google will maintain it
[16:58] <hamitron> oh :/
[16:58] <friggle> piless: ermm, did that happen recently? I thought there was lots of positive progress
[16:58] <friggle> and people like Linaro and others are interested
[16:58] <hamitron> I was sort of hoping it would lead to proper linux builds arriving to android devices :/
[16:58] <piless> friggle: I'm just recyling old news
[16:58] <friggle> maybe wakelocks etc isn't going to get in
[16:58] <xlq> piless: I'm not claiming Linux should be renamed. Linux is the kernel.
[16:59] <xlq> SpeedEvil: No I'm not.
[16:59] <piless> kde can go suck a donkey
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> http://opentablets.org/
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Given the drivers, you can put ubuntu or slackware on there.
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[17:00] <hamitron> I wish it had a sim card slot
[17:00] <hamitron> :/
[17:01] <mkopack> ok, time for me to go do the shit, shower, shave thing and then find some lunch, then settle in to finish up my assignment for school. Later guys??? Good luck Hexxeh!
[17:01] <piless> mkopack: hooters
[17:01] <mkopack> possibly :) LOL
[17:02] <mkopack> Thinking Tilted Kilt though...
[17:02] <piless> hooters
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[17:13] <_av500_> fyi: http://dehype.org/2012/blowing-raspberries/
[17:18] <xlq> tl;dr: I want to pay for something faster, and I don't think schools will want it.
[17:18] <piless> wow that's a really nice blog design
[17:19] <xlq> Article doesn't even mention the closedness of the hardware ^_^
[17:19] <piless> xlq: fact is, all the hardware is closed
[17:19] <piless> some more than others
[17:19] <_av500_> piless: people hated him when he introduced it :)
[17:20] <piless> _av500_: It's classy
[17:20] <_av500_> yep
[17:20] <_av500_> xlq: schools might want it, but not because of the 35quid price
[17:21] <_av500_> a teacher might cost twice that per week :)
[17:21] <piless> _av500_: Schools would want it because the current system is complete wank. In IT lessons all they teach is basic office skills.. How to use word, how to use excel.. There are no proper programming courses until you reach uni level
[17:22] <_av500_> piless: yesm but that does not depend on hardware
[17:22] <_av500_> yes,
[17:22] <_av500_> at all
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[17:22] <hamitron> piless, not true
[17:22] <hamitron> you can do computer science, rather than IT
[17:22] <hamitron> ;)
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[17:23] <_av500_> i learned to program at school on a std pc
[17:23] <piless> at what level?
[17:23] <piless> a level?
[17:23] <hamitron> GCSE and A-level
[17:23] <piless> hamitron: they never told us we could do computer science at gcse :(
[17:23] <hamitron> there is a GCSE
[17:23] <_av500_> that whole "cheap and unbrickable" is totally irrelevant
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[17:23] <hamitron> just a lot of schools choose to not offer it for some reason
[17:23] <hamitron> :(
[17:24] <hamitron> probably easier to find teachers for other subjects I'm guessing
[17:24] <Hexxeh> all of chromeos running except chrome itself, 200MB memory free
[17:24] <Hexxeh> achievement unlocked
[17:24] <Hexxeh> that's even with Xorg running
[17:24] <Hexxeh> and i've not even built with thumb yet
[17:24] <StevenR_> hamitron: it's more a case of having someone who can teach it (it's expensive to employ a specialist for what will be a niche course in most schools)
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[17:24] <_av500_> Hexxeh: on an 128MB r-pi?
[17:24] <_av500_> impressive
[17:24] <hamitron> and my A-level Computer Science class had 6 of us in it, IT A-level had 70 students
[17:25] <Hexxeh> 256MB
[17:25] <Hexxeh> 32MB is dedicated to the GPU
[17:25] <Hexxeh> that means everything else is squeezed into 24MB
[17:25] <Hexxeh> pretty damn awesome
[17:25] <hamitron> so imo, need to somehow encourage students to do proper stuff
[17:25] <hamitron> :)
[17:25] <hamitron> get off their lazy arse
[17:26] <xlq> hamitron: Congratulations on finding a school that actually does CS.
[17:26] <hamitron> I moved to a 6th form college specially
[17:27] <hamitron> there were actually a few schools that offer it in the city.... my rural school didn't even offer IT
[17:28] <hamitron> but I do think too much importance is put on the quality of the teachers.... you need students to get interested in a stylish "geeky" way
[17:28] <hamitron> then a lot of it is self learn
[17:29] <hamitron> experience
[17:29] <hamitron> experience the power of programming, rather than getting pissed and laid
[17:29] <hamitron> ;/
[17:32] <hamitron> anyways, time for tea and cakes
[17:32] <Hexxeh> fwiw the kernel panic was caused by depmod on my desktop screwing things up
[17:32] <hamitron> o/
[17:32] <Hexxeh> booted the emergency kernel and ran it on device and things went much more smoothly
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[17:33] <Matt> mornings
[17:33] * Matt did A-Level Computing
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[17:34] <vgrade> Hexxeh, impressive stuff, lowest we've seen with Mer is around 34MB but this is with Qt loaded
[17:34] <Matt> maybe a dozen or so in the class
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[17:34] <Hexxeh> Currently at 27MB in use, but that's with sshd running
[17:35] <Hexxeh> It's incredibly lightweight
[17:35] <Hexxeh> that's with cryptohomed running too
[17:35] <Hexxeh> that's gonna slow things down, so i'll be removing that eventually
[17:35] <vgrade> yea, we have ssh, connman running for connectivity
[17:36] <Hexxeh> cryptohomed is chewing 5MB of that
[17:36] <Hexxeh> flimflamd for connectivity here
[17:37] <vgrade> I need to check what the QtonPi build is at but that has no Xorg but accelerated fullscreen Qt5
[17:37] <Hexxeh> nice
[17:38] <Hexxeh> that's true though
[17:38] <Hexxeh> memory usage will go up once we have accel
[17:38] <_av500_> vgrade: its all these RPMs of yours...
[17:38] <Hexxeh> because of all the gles libs that'll be loaded
[17:38] <vgrade> great to see the new guard working without Xorg
[17:38] <vgrade> RPM's
[17:39] <vgrade> _av500_ RPM's
[17:39] <vgrade> ?
[17:39] <_av500_> vgrade: you know, .deb is much smaller :)
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[17:41] <vgrade> what is smaller
[17:41] <_av500_> vgrade: nevermind, its not funny :(
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[17:42] <vgrade> ah ok, missed the joke. I've just spent the last couple of weeks doing .deb packaging for the first time
[17:43] <vgrade> my sense of humour is not the same as it was :)
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[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Raspberry Pi's EGL libs don't come with a relevant .pc file, do they?
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[17:50] <mkopack> Just popping in to say - new Debian Squeeze build is posted up on the downloads page...
[17:50] <mkopack> (for any interested)
[17:50] <mkopack> BBL
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[17:54] <flaushy> seeding :)
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[17:56] * ShiftPlusOne looks at vgrade like he might know the answer. =)
[17:57] <Hexxeh> i wonder what the memory usage is like by default on the debian image
[17:57] <Hexxeh> sat at the desktop
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[17:57] <flaushy> Hexxeh: you tried the new image already?
[17:57] <Hexxeh> not yet
[17:57] <Hexxeh> i've only got one SD carc
[17:57] <Hexxeh> card
[17:58] <Hexxeh> currently it has my cros image i'm working on
[17:58] <Hexxeh> so i don't want to wipe it with debian
[17:58] <flaushy> right :=
[17:58] <piless> Hexxeh: I must have a million sd cards littered around the house
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[17:59] <hotwings> sd card are cheap anyways
[17:59] <hotwings> decent 8gh class6
[18:00] <Hexxeh> yeah, i need to order a few
[18:00] <Hexxeh> not yet though, in summer
[18:00] <Hexxeh> need to save money for flights atm
[18:00] <hotwings> ive been installing to sd cards for a few years now at least. tried it in a quest for low power/low heat/no fans.. works great (for my needs)
[18:02] <piless> hotwings: what's your failure rate like?
[18:02] <Matt> 87.463%
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> are people already getting their pi's delivered?
[18:03] <piless> Matt: I wouldn't have thought they would last long. They don't have the wear management that ssds have
[18:04] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:04] <friggle> depends a lot on the particular card
[18:04] <piless> friggle: You sure? They more or less use the same tech
[18:05] <Matt> the industrial ones do IIRC
[18:05] <friggle> piless: there's *major* variance in the controller. See e.g. https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Kernel/Projects/FlashCardSurvey
[18:05] <piless> friggle: Yeah but it's not the controllers that break
[18:06] <friggle> piless: but the controllers that cause common workloads to result in massive write amplification increase the chance of failure
[18:06] <piless> I'll take your word for it
[18:06] <friggle> piless: and the controller is going to make a difference for wear levelling.
[18:07] <vgrade> what was the password for the ols debian image
[18:07] <vgrade> old
[18:07] <friggle> vgrade: pi/suse
[18:07] <vgrade> ta
[18:07] <flaushy> sweet :) the torrents are fast
[18:11] <vgrade> Hexxeh, total 186, used 69
[18:11] <Hexxeh> that's a pretty big difference
[18:12] <vgrade> free
[18:12] <vgrade> wrong kb :)
[18:13] <vgrade> lots of things running on that image though
[18:13] <vgrade> free -m
[18:13] <vgrade> woops
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[18:14] <hotwings> piless - i havent had an sd fail yet
[18:14] <vgrade> 76 used with midori browser
[18:14] <Hexxeh> surprising midori only uses 7mb initially
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[18:15] <hotwings> ive tried ufd, sd, cf, and microdrive.. of all of those, ive only had 2 ufd failures (of maybe 8 or so), and both microdrives i tried
[18:15] <hotwings> no sd or cf failures
[18:15] <vgrade> yea, usually browsers grab loads on startup
[18:16] <mkopack> I had a micro drive die on me???
[18:16] <mkopack> But then, it was probably from dropping my iPaq...
[18:16] <DJWillis> Yep, midori starts small. Hmmm, interesting, Firefox wants to run, even if I am just doing it for stupid reasons ;)
[18:17] <mkopack> I had an iPaq 5450 with the double PCMCIA sleeve, a micro drive in it and a GPS module
[18:17] <mkopack> thing was a F'ing BRICK
[18:17] <DJWillis> mkopack: still got one ;)
[18:17] <mkopack> I have all that crap in a box somewhere
[18:17] <vgrade> up to 89MB with bbc.co.uk loaded
[18:18] <friggle> DJWillis: it arrived?
[18:18] <Hexxeh> vgrade: total?
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[18:19] <DJWillis> friggle: I posted up some pics and such a while ago
[18:19] <vgrade> Hexxeh 89 total yes
[18:20] <Hexxeh> not bad at all
[18:20] <friggle> DJWillis: awesome :)
[18:21] <hotwings> i dont like microdrive at all
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[18:22] <hotwings> too slow, too unreliable
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[18:22] <DJWillis> friggle: http://blogs.distant-earth.com/wp/ hope that is ok with you. Just trying to tweak some cache setups and see what I can run in the 'silly sense'. Basics are working well enough.
[18:23] <vgrade> ShiftPlusOne, no .pc files but we do have libEGL_static.a and libGLESv2_static.a files which have proved usefull, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw
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[18:23] <friggle> friggle: I didn't realise I hadn't subscribed to your blog yet! Awesome stuff. Let me know when you have basic images with midori using softfp or hardfp. I know some broadcom guys are pretty interested
[18:24] <friggle> that should be DJWillis :)
[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> vgrade, thanks.
[18:24] <Hexxeh> is anybody already working on writing xorg-drivers?
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> You mean you haven't written yours yet? =/
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[18:26] <friggle> Hexxeh: some people are interested in enabling GLES backends for Qt and Gtk and having those supported within X (though the old 2d X path would be unaccelerated)
[18:26] <friggle> Hexxeh: I don't know of anyone in particular who's looking at using the DMA engines in the public datasheet to make a faster x driver, but I hope someone will take a look
[18:27] <DJWillis> friggle: well I want to get the GPU libs in and clean up that situation a bit. I'll try and bundle up something to get an image done. To be honest we could do a lot worse than some ARM routines hacked onto FBDEV, there are already options for that.
[18:27] <Hexxeh> hmm, what's the state of things in X at the moment?
[18:27] <Hexxeh> nothing is accelerated at all?
[18:27] <SimonT> Has anyone heard anything from ExportFarnell yet?
[18:28] <friggle> Hexxeh: correct, just using the unmodified fbdev driver
[18:28] <Hexxeh> so the gles libraries aren't going to help in X11 3d apps then
[18:28] <Hexxeh> like chrome
[18:28] <Hexxeh> hmm
[18:28] <friggle> Hexxeh: Dom posted some code for the kernel framebuffer driver to use the DMA engines, but nobody actually uses the Linux framebuffer apis for blitting etc
[18:29] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, they're not aware of anything other than the native Broadcom windowing system
[18:30] <vgrade> Hexxeh, you could use the hack mentioned about to get full screen gles acceleration
[18:30] <Hexxeh> vgrade: what hack?
[18:30] <Hexxeh> that'd totally work for me
[18:30] <Hexxeh> chrome is the only app that runs
[18:30] <Hexxeh> all the windowing is within chrome itself
[18:30] <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw
[18:31] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: oh no, no GLes help in normal X ;)
[18:31] <vgrade> ping me tomorrow I'll let you know the detail
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[18:32] <Hexxeh> that looks like it might be the ticket..!
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[18:32] <Hexxeh> that'll give a single application accelerated 3d under x11?
[18:32] <Hexxeh> as long as it's fullscreen?
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[18:32] <xlq> But it's Qt-specific, no?
[18:32] <Hexxeh> is it?
[18:33] <vgrade> no
[18:33] <xlq> Oh? How does it work then?
[18:33] <ReggieUK> pixiedust
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[18:34] <friggle> xlq: it just hijacks eglCreateWindowSurface so it does the right Broadcom-specific stuff
[18:34] <vgrade> yea, single app, acceleration
[18:34] <friggle> it doesn't magically accelerate an app
[18:34] <friggle> just allows an app to create an egl window surface
[18:34] <xlq> Ah.
[18:35] <shirro> Isn't it just doing the same thing it would be doing run from a console.
[18:35] <vgrade> yea, wihtout changing the app
[18:35] <DJWillis> Hehe, plenty of hacks to do that same crap with PowerVR Cores ;).
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[18:36] <vgrade> to do the same thing normally you would need to recompile the app to initialise the BC gles
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[18:37] <Hexxeh> if chrome works with that hack
[18:37] <Hexxeh> it'll be awesome.
[18:37] <shirro> But if you were writing directly to EGL you could be full screen anyway. whatever was on the framebuffer like X doesn't matter. Isn't it just a workaround for Qt?
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[18:37] <friggle> Hexxeh: rather depends how chrome uses egl
[18:37] <friggle> shirro: a workaround for binary apps, yes
[18:37] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I suspect you may be VERY disapointed ;)
[18:37] <shirro> LD_PRELOAD_PATH stuff?
[18:38] <vgrade> shirro, yea you could but you need the BC init steps included in the app
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[18:38] <friggle> shirro: yeah, you can do it that way too. LD_PRELOAD is I think what you're thinking of
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[18:38] <Hexxeh> saves hacking chrome though
[18:38] <Hexxeh> which is nice, since it takes bloody ages to compile.
[18:38] <shirro> Yeah
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[18:39] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: amen to that, firefox and chromium are beasts to build on a regular basis.
[18:40] <friggle> DJWillis: what's the build time for a reasonable OE build on modern hardware?
[18:41] <DJWillis> friggle: depends, for something like the OpenPandora stock image (with a decent set of libs and Xfce) your talking about 8-12 hours from scratch with many gigs of downloads and just a few GB of build space ;)
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[18:43] <flaushy> cross compile?
[18:44] <DJWillis> flaushy: yep, I think that sort of OS is never going to build on device in a fair timeline ;)
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[18:45] <flaushy> DJWillis: debian tries ;)
[18:46] <shirro> flaushy: debian are bulding on 1Ghz+ armv7 stuff though, not raspberry pis
[18:47] <DJWillis> flaushy: oh, yep, but not on the Pi with limited ram would would use a lot of cycles just looking after some swap on a USB device.
[18:47] <DJWillis> If your building on ARMv7 with lots of RAM it's another matter all together.
[18:48] <flaushy> uh they build all arm on armv7?
[18:48] <flaushy> cool
[18:48] <shirro> I am compiling and irc on armv7 at the moment. 1G ram, SATA drive
[18:48] <flaushy> shirro: what platform? panda?
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[18:48] <DJWillis> flaushy: there is some big ARMv5 boxes used to do Debian builds. Old things like slugs with extra RAM and the likes. Still slow ;)
[18:48] <shirro> imx53 quick start
[18:49] <flaushy> DJWillis: yeah i got a couple of dockstars. only 128 megs of ram tho
[18:49] <flaushy> uh and some NASes
[18:49] <flaushy> shirro: thx
[18:49] <DJWillis> flaushy: OE is all about cross compiled builds for many archs and platforms from one common base, that is it's reason to be ;).
[18:51] <flaushy> DJWillis: yeah i built OE and liked it
[18:51] <shirro> even a fast arm cpu is glacial for compiling. cross compiling makes a lot of sense.
[18:51] <flaushy> yeah that is why i am wondering about debians take
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[18:53] <friggle> flaushy: simple, fixing cross compilation for build systems that don't like it is a massive time sink
[18:53] <flaushy> okie, so computing time vs human error fixing time
[18:53] <shirro> debian is just too massive and too much legacy. it's strength is its weakness
[18:54] <DJWillis> Oh, cross building is a constant fight :o. You always have upstream hacks that trip you up every step of the way but at least OE gives you a nice framework to overcome the worst of it.
[18:56] <DJWillis> Anyone got a handy alsa setup/state for the RPi? If not i'll see what I can suck from the Debian image.
[18:57] <friggle> DJWillis: it doesn't just work if you modprobe the bcm2835 alsa module?
[19:00] <friggle> DJWillis: it will try to automatically select output as the 3.5mm jack or HDMI, but this can be changed with amixer
[19:00] <friggle> amixer cget/cset numid=3
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[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone here who uses autotools? What do I need to do to make sure make dist includes all the source files and not just the main .c file?
[19:05] <piless_> http://i.imgur.com/sms2q.jpg
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[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> could someone with a pi help me check if a library compiles?
[19:35] <Thorn_> no, wut u gun do if they refuse huh
[19:35] <Thorn_> huhh
[19:35] <Thorn_> (i mean hi)
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[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll feel slightly rejected
[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> (and hey)
[19:37] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: if nobody's done it by the time i'm done with chrome i will
[19:37] <Thorn_> is there any nix gps/map software?
[19:37] <Hexxeh> only got the one SD card at the moment, can't wipe chrome to run debian else i'll lose my cros files
[19:37] <Thorn_> thinking a pi would make a good custom bike satnav
[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> it's just a quick ./configure; make; make install; so it shouldn't take up any time
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[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> but yup, how's chrome coming along?
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[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> cros?
[19:39] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: why not just check under qemu?
[19:39] <Hexxeh> cros == chromeos
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> compiles fine under qemu, interested in testing on proper hw
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[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[19:39] <Hexxeh> going well
[19:40] <friggle> my pi's at the lab I'm afraid
[19:40] <friggle> but it would be ridiculously surprising if it worked on qemu but not the rpi
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[19:41] <ShiftPlusOne> not the file itself that I am worried about, but the build system... first time using autotools properly
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[19:45] <Hexxeh> AAAARRRGH: test.c:1: sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP
[19:45] <Hexxeh> why does every package except chromium compile
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[19:47] <friggle> Hexxeh: does v8 even support arm1176 vfp with hard abi?
[19:48] <Hexxeh> i don't see why it wouldn't
[19:48] <friggle> well, if they didn't implement support in the JIT
[19:48] <delinquentme> slightly offtopic: but has anyone seen a protoboard with 12 + USBs and an eithernet port?
[19:48] <friggle> armv6 hard abi is fairly uncommon
[19:49] <Hexxeh> gah.
[19:50] <Hexxeh> better rebuild everything softfp i guess
[19:51] <friggle> Hexxeh: not that I'm saying that is your problem
[19:51] <shirro> chrome browser is in debian armhf
[19:51] <Hexxeh> this is true
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[19:51] <friggle> shirro: which is armv7+, which is why I say armv6+hardfp is relatively uncommon
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[19:51] <friggle> as most of the hardfp work is armv7+
[19:52] <Hexxeh> uh, aren't debian armel packages armv5?
[19:52] <friggle> Hexxeh: armv4t
[19:52] <friggle> Hexxeh: but with no floating point
[19:52] <friggle> -mfloat-abi=soft
[19:52] <Hexxeh> i knew they were old-ish
[19:52] <Hexxeh> ah
[19:52] <shirro> sorry- is several hours past my bed time. yep. and I am NOT going to build it for v6
[19:53] <friggle> Hexxeh: I know qt folks had issue with qt build flags, where what seemed to vfp support is in fact only vfp support on armv7
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[19:55] <Hexxeh> what confuses me though
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[19:55] <Hexxeh> is that chromium built under the toolchain i compiled the other packages with
[19:55] <Hexxeh> but it just segfaults
[19:55] <mjr> Thorn_, there is. Navit is an older one. OSM has something called Rana. And there are others.
[19:55] <mjr> FoxtrotGPS I suppose also warrants a spesific mention.
[19:56] <Thorn_> cool
[19:56] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, those qt issues I mentioned were more in the compile process where if you enable vfp they got issues as it tried to assemble armv7 code
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[20:09] <SimonT> Has anyone heard anything from ExportFarnell yet?
[20:10] <M0RBD> friggle: the latest debian port has floating point.
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[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... openpandora seem to be ignoring me now after I asked for a refund. Jerks =/
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[20:11] <Matt> openpandora?
[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Matt, http://openpandora.org/ (I ordered it over 3 years ago and now they're asking for an 'upgrade' fee)
[20:13] <M0RBD> upgrade fee?
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> so they're just shipping them to the people who are ordering them now, but not the people who actually preordered to start with
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> to have the one you preordered shipped, you have to pay extra.... which is clearly utter bs
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[20:14] <Matt> that's a bit cheeky
[20:14] <M0RBD> that's outright rude..
[20:14] <Matt> if they've taken your money on the pretense of shipping you a product when that product was available
[20:14] <Matt> and the product is available, but they're not shipping it to you unless you pay more
[20:14] <M0RBD> Unfortunately... geek + sales n marketing = not best combination.
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> In their defense, they just can't afford to ship them because of all the snafoos they've had... so they're trying to recover some money to make sure they can actually produce them
[20:14] <M0RBD> geeks env
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[20:16] <M0RBD> ShiftPlusOne: that's quite crappy... again seems to me that they did not really plan it well.
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[20:17] <ShiftPlusOne> oh and to be clear, they WILL be shipping to those who preordered, but now they're on the back of the queue rather than the front... and to hurry things along, you pay extra.
[20:17] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's not like they're just holding them hostage
[20:17] <Kolin> thats fucking evil
[20:18] <M0RBD> mafia methods
[20:19] <Hexxeh> oh, we're getting further with the codesourcery toolchain!
[20:19] <Hexxeh> still hardfp/vfp
[20:19] <M0RBD> hum 10 hours battery time... I get 8-9 on my Asus eeepc even with load.
[20:20] <ReggieUK> Hexxeh, what are you doing with codesourcery?
[20:20] <ShiftPlusOne> So yeah, that's all fine by me, I just want to get a refund now, but they haven't answered that email. So... that's the part that ticks me off.
[20:20] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: building chromium
[20:20] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: tried using a crossdev'd toolchain, segfault on launch
[20:20] <M0RBD> ShiftPlusOne: that's not good.
[20:20] <ReggieUK> is that for the pi?
[20:20] <Hexxeh> yeah
[20:20] <Hexxeh> i have the other 440 packages compiled and running
[20:21] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: http://cl.ly/FpzY
[20:21] <mkopack> lol??? 440 packages being compiled on the RPi? See ya tomorrow afternoon!
[20:21] <Hexxeh> lol no
[20:21] <Hexxeh> they're already compiled
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[20:22] <Hexxeh> i cross compiled them ready for the pi arriving
[20:22] <mkopack> ah! Was gonna say!
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[20:22] <ReggieUK> I'm compiling nothing until I get my hands on pi
[20:22] <Hexxeh> why so?
[20:23] <Hexxeh> all my cross compiled packages worked great from the off on the pi
[20:23] <Hexxeh> qemu was invaluable in that respect
[20:23] <ReggieUK> cos I've got other stuff to work on
[20:23] <Hexxeh> ahh
[20:23] <Hexxeh> yeah i ought to be working on my uni assignment that's due tomorrow, but eh
[20:23] <ReggieUK> if I lern2pi now I'll just forget it again
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[20:23] <ReggieUK> cross compiling is a pita and I work on 3 systems that do it already
[20:24] <ReggieUK> 2 different build systems that have bugger all to do with each other
[20:24] <ReggieUK> makes my brane hurt
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[20:25] <markus> ReggieUK: what are you compiling?
[20:26] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: qemu is indeed really invaluable in this regard.
[20:26] <Hexxeh> has anyone tried a displaylink adaptor on a pi btw?
[20:26] <Hexxeh> those usb video card things
[20:26] <Hexxeh> might be a good cheap solution for those needing vga output
[20:26] <ReggieUK> kernel + rootfs + random apps.
[20:26] <friggle> not that I know of, though my understanding is they're very heavy on CPU
[20:26] <markus> ReggieUK: is it feasible to compile packages inside a qemu virtualization or is in not?
[20:26] <Hexxeh> ah, are they?
[20:26] <Hexxeh> i've never actually used one before
[20:27] <M0RBD> markus: I'm doing this.. saves time.
[20:27] <markus> ReggieUK: what build system har you using?
[20:27] <ReggieUK> markus, yeah it's feasible, whether it's practical if you've got a quad core machine running is another matter
[20:27] <friggle> it seems you can get hdmi->vga converters for around ??20 or so. Surely that's not cheaper than a displaylink adaptor
[20:27] <ReggieUK> one is a custom system called 'minifs'
[20:27] <markus> so what are the drawbacks?
[20:27] <Hexxeh> friggle: mixed reports with those apparently
[20:27] <masterburner> fi
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[20:28] <ReggieUK> and teh other is leapfrogs for their kids consoles
[20:28] <masterburner> friggle: I doubt they're that cheap, as you'd need some kind of active conversion to go from vga to hdmi
[20:28] <ReggieUK> afaik the drawbacks of compiling in qemu are speed
[20:28] <masterburner> I mean from hdmi to vga...
[20:28] <M0RBD> I wasn't able to go higher than 1280x1024 with sinet HDMI->VGA converters..
[20:28] <M0RBD> sinet = some argh..
[20:29] <markus> ReggieUK: compiling on my 2500K intel machine + qemu vs raspi. the first one must be faster right?
[20:29] <masterburner> you can't really go from hdmi to vga with some silly little microcontroller... you need quite some grunt to fully handle an hdmi signal AND generate the analog vga signals from that
[20:29] <friggle> anyone tried e.g. http://fit-pc.co.uk/Fit_VGA_Converter--product--24.html
[20:29] <DJWillis> GTK+ is eating my build machine (again)....
[20:29] <masterburner> M0RBD: how much did your convertor cost?
[20:30] <markus> Why not use RCA?
[20:30] <M0RBD> masterburner: 10 Starlings
[20:30] <Matt> markus: I was thinking the same thing
[20:30] <M0RBD> masterburner: what you pay is what you get I guess :d
[20:30] <mkopack> ok, off to Fry's to pick up 2 more SD cards, then to the car wash to get my car detailed??? Then home to test/debug and finish my assignment for school. (God, I'm still amazed how much code I can get written while sitting at Tilted Kilt or Hooters - Unlimited diet coke, music, and pretty girls seems to be a good source of distraction for the 1/2 of my brain not involved in programming so it doesn't get in the way of the 1/2 DOING
[20:30] <masterburner> well, RCA should be fine for most things, but it has a very low max resolution
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, the best way to do it that I know of is scratchbox2.
[20:30] <mkopack> programming!)
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[20:30] <masterburner> M0RBD: indeed... :)
[20:30] <M0RBD> I just realised I can just connect the PI to my TV card...
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[20:30] <markus> ShiftPlusOne: i haven't tried it but i have tried openembedded.
[20:31] <M0RBD> Run the PI in Xawtv when it arrives..
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, openembedded is evil (in my limited experience).
[20:31] <masterburner> IIRC, the RCA has a max resolution of 640x480
[20:31] <markus> ShiftPlusOne: it's too cumbersome i think. i really don't like writing recepies.
[20:31] <Hexxeh> awwww yeah
[20:32] <Hexxeh> v8 compiled using codesourcery
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, yeah, sb2 is easy and it works
[20:32] <markus> ShiftPlusOne: i can probably do some research about it. now i'm using archlinux-arm which works pretty well.
[20:33] <markus> it's not the same thing but i can compile many packages with it
[20:33] <friggle> DJWillis: by the way, pinged some people regarding putting a proper copyright notice for the 'firmware'. I have no idea if there is already some prepared legal text that just needs to be pasted or not
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/28/setting-up-a-vm-for-raspberry-pi-development-using-virtualbox-scratchbox2-qemu-part-3/
[20:35] <markus> ShiftPlusOne: wow thanks a lot! (the background really makes me feel like eating some candy)
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[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, you can thank ukscone for that tutorial.... really easy to follow and explains most of what you need to know.
[20:36] <markus> ukscone: thanks. i'll read your blog posts soon
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> and you can slap him for taking screenshots of text so that you can't just copy and paste it.
[20:37] <DJWillis> friggle: it would be great to know as it will keep my layout of of mainline OE for sure, I just need a clear licence I can use and set the vairous flags for the binary recipes so people can opt not to take them etc.
[20:38] <masterburner> ShiftPlusOne: that's a very nice tutorial indeed, may have a play with it tomorrow :)
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, also, he's using the fedora rootfs there, but you can just download any disk image from the raspberry pi download page and use that if you know how to extract it. I am using archlinux which works quite well.
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[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> but the archlinux arm repos are pretty limited, so debian might be a better choice
[20:39] <friggle> DJWillis: yes, as I say I've had assurances that they are totally freely redistributable - just a matter of getting some approved license text up there.
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[20:39] <DJWillis> friggle: that is what I have put as a licence for now ;)
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[20:41] <ukscone> markus: you might find this easier to follow (also uptodate too) & you can cut and paste into terminal too http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[20:41] <masterburner> ShiftPlusOne: that's a nice tutorial indeed, may have a play with it tomorrow :)
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[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> masterburner, good luck with it
[20:42] <masterburner> thank you
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, any important changes there other than the bit on extracting official images?
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I see you're using linaro's qemu there too
[20:44] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not really except i triple checked the steps
[20:44] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: building a decent set of feeds for the RPi and ARMv6 is something I think will be just a little fun ;-).
[20:44] <ukscone> yeah although i need to change that back again or say use a specific verion as >1st april is borked
[20:44] <markus> DJWillis: .deb-feeds?
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> feeds?
[20:45] <ukscone> we are trying to track down the problem but it seems to be sdl related
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, sdl doesn't have problems.
[20:45] <DJWillis> markus: in my case, ipk's (so tweaked debs for OE/Angstrom)
[20:45] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: it does when you have it nested 3 times and 2 archs
[20:45] <friggle> DJWillis: hey, did retrode actually work with the pi?
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[20:46] <markus> DJWillis: are you using openembedded/poky?
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[20:46] <DJWillis> friggle: ;-), I can read it just fine. Porting over an emu of mine over to mess with. Tweaking some later ARM bits to work on the v6.
[20:47] <DJWillis> markus: OpenEmbedded/Angstrom and yep, I maintain the RaspberryPi OpenEmbedded core layer.
[20:48] <DJWillis> friggle: if I had sonic going well on TV I would have done a video ;). In fact if a lot of stuff worked correct I would have done a video.
[20:48] <DJWillis> friggle: the Retrode is also a really great device.
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[20:50] <DJWillis> markus: not an official layer (in the OE sense or RPi-f) but I hope to do something about that when it is a bit cleaner.
[20:51] <Matt> DJWillis: hey, you're awake now :)
[20:51] <markus> cool. i have tried angstrom a bit but now i'm using archlinux-arm for my little box.
[20:51] <markus> i run screen + irssi on it among other things
[20:51] <DJWillis> Matt: I like the odd little bit of sleep, not much... but a little.
[20:53] <DJWillis> markus: what little box? I tend to use Angstrom as I know it's nuts and bolts and maintain a few devices that run it stock.
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[20:53] <markus> DJWillis: cubox -> http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[20:54] <markus> archlinux-arm does not have a working kernel or x-drivers for it.
[20:55] <markus> but you can just replace it with a kernel built for the cubox
[20:55] <DJWillis> markus: nice, not seen one of those in the flesh. Custom kernels in Arch are not a big drama, if you have the source there are a few people who could help you get intergrated.
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[20:57] <Hopsy> is it out yet?
[20:58] <Hexxeh> yes
[20:58] <markus> DJWillis: there is a git repo with the source + drivers.
[20:58] <Hexxeh> yes it is
[20:58] <Hopsy> owh?
[20:58] <Hopsy> I still cant order
[20:58] <DJWillis> friggle: is anyone looking at sorting a simple thin client distro for the Pi? I mean something really stripped down with just RDP, VNC, PCoIP etc.? Just stuck me that with the video output and some tweaking that is one awesome thin client box.
[20:59] <friggle> DJWillis: it's at the point where I don't know every developer who has a pi :) I don't know of anyone looking at that in particular. I was just looking at the angstrom online image builder you linked to. Looks great for all those people looking to use the rpi for a single purpose
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[21:01] <DJWillis> friggle: in fairness, that also has the feeds behind it, so not just an autobuilt image. It's just that we currently don't have ARMv6 feeds just v5 and v7, I would like to fix that ;).
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[21:01] <markus> for examle a video game console with usb controllers + rca output :)
[21:01] <hamitron> you can get a x86 thin client for ?10....
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[21:02] <friggle> DJWillis: 'feeds'?
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[21:02] <friggle> hamitron: I'm not familiar with that market. Link?
[21:02] <mchou> hamitron: hmm??
[21:03] <hamitron> dunno link, mine is Percio XL or something
[21:03] <mchou> hamitron: yeah, link pls, not not fleabay
[21:03] <hamitron> has a low power SiS cpu
[21:03] <DJWillis> friggle: that online image builder will give you something you can install but you could add any package from the feeds later so it is just the initial setup your downloading.
[21:03] <Hexxeh> oof
[21:03] <Hexxeh> interesting
[21:04] <DJWillis> hamitron: really, I have only seen one of them and it was more than ??10 and a bag of crap ;).
[21:04] <markus> it's a bit like suse studio, right?
[21:04] <Hexxeh> apparently the new debian image has a fix for the sd card issue?
[21:04] <Hexxeh> can anyone confirm?
[21:04] <friggle> Hexxeh: depends what sd card issue you mean
[21:04] <hamitron> DJWillis, I got mine without the bag of crap
[21:04] <hamitron> ;)
[21:04] <Hexxeh> the 1.8v signalling problem
[21:04] <mchou> DJWillis: sheesh. hamitron has a penchant for recommending garbage
[21:04] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: if you get a patch let me know as I fold it in with my recipe.
[21:05] <masterburner> 1.8V signalling problem? don't SD cards always run on 3v3?
[21:05] <Hexxeh> masterburner: no
[21:05] <Hexxeh> masterburner: faster cards switch to 1.8v
[21:05] <DJWillis> masterburner: nope ;)
[21:05] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: there's a fix for a freescale board that has the same problem for the same reason
[21:05] <Hexxeh> i've not gotten around to testing it, but i think something similar should work for the rpi
[21:05] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: cool
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[21:05] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-landing-team-freescale/+bug/910835
[21:05] <masterburner> ah, allright :)
[21:06] <M0RBD> Has anyone of you tried the Quadcore FreeScale board ?
[21:06] <friggle> Hexxeh: I didn't think there was a fix for that, but I could be wrong
[21:06] <Hexxeh> friggle: more of a workaround
[21:07] <Hexxeh> controller claims it's capable of 1.8v signalling when it isn't
[21:07] <Hexxeh> if it's changed so the controller driver doesn't claim to support it
[21:07] <Hexxeh> it won't try switching to it
[21:07] <Hexxeh> and so you won't get the problem
[21:07] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, I mean I didn't see a mention of that in the changelog, just that a temporary change to sd card timeouts had been removed as it didn't make a difference
[21:07] <Hexxeh> the card won't run as fast as it should, of course
[21:07] <Hexxeh> but that's a hardware issue that isn't going to be able to be fixed properly in software
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[21:08] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: yep, a hack around. Still, if it gets it booted ;)
[21:08] <Hexxeh> oh yeah
[21:08] <Hexxeh> most people won't even notice or care
[21:09] <masterburner> hmmmm, interesting issue
[21:09] <masterburner> I'm wondering why they switch to a lower voltage for higher data rates, though...
[21:09] <friggle> Hexxeh: apparently the current kernel shouldn't accept lower voltage negotiation
[21:09] <Hexxeh> hmm, odd
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[21:11] <friggle> Hexxeh: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/7e8ae226fe6e95954df6b0dcdde40a53dbbc1a0b#diff-2
[21:11] <Hexxeh> that's too recent to be in the previous debian image
[21:12] <Hexxeh> previous debian image was february wasn't it?
[21:12] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, that thing is way old
[21:12] <Hexxeh> maybe the new debian image won't show the issue then
[21:12] <Hexxeh> if it's using the new kernel
[21:15] <friggle> the new image should be using the latest git kernel
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[21:15] <friggle> there was some confusion as to whether it contains the fbset workaround from Thursday
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[21:19] <oldtopman> feh
[21:19] <oldtopman> Was batch two, now I have the august glitch
[21:19] <Hexxeh> LINK(target) out/Release/chrome
[21:19] <Hexxeh> if this fails with unresolved symbols
[21:19] <Hexxeh> rage will be had
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[21:20] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: rage++
[21:21] * Hexxeh raggeeeeee
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[21:23] <masterburner> oldtopman: where are you seeing that date? I can't find anything about expected dates in my farnell order history... all I have are those confirmation emails from one and a half month ago
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> So.... anyone with a pi handy who's like to test a useless lib?
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[21:40] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: maybe later, mine has decided booting in something that happens to other boards at this very moment ;)
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> heh k
[21:41] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i have access to liam's raspi
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> virtual or physical?
[21:41] <ukscone> remote
[21:42] <ukscone> ssh'ed in
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> does he have a native toolchain on there?
[21:42] <ukscone> seems too
[21:43] <ukscone> gcc --version
[21:43] <ukscone> gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
[21:43] <ukscone> Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[21:43] <ukscone> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
[21:43] <ukscone> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
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[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> any idea where are egl.h, gl2.h and libGLESv2, libSDL are located on his fs?
[21:45] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: broadcom stuff is in /opt/vc
[21:46] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: what lib?
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> so... you're not expected to move it all to /usr ?
[21:46] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: this is all in /opt/vc: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc
[21:46] <ukscone> bbiab -- gotta run up the road
[21:46] <ukscone> back in 40mins
[21:47] <ukscone> will look for the headers and libs then
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I know it's in /opt, I am just wondering how to make autotools given that the libs may be in opt and I don't want people to mess around with parameters =/
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[21:50] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: you could grab the debian image and poke around in it
[21:51] <Hexxeh> you could even use it with qemu
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, yeah, I am using the archlinux image, but the first thing I did was move /opt/vc/* to /usr
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[21:51] <Hexxeh> if you just used an alternate kernel/modules
[21:51] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: fdisk -ul the extracted image, then choose the partition you want (e.g. part 2 starts at 157696), then sudo mount -o loop,offset=$(echo 512*$PART_START | bc) my.img mnt_point
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[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, yeah, I am quite familiar with all that
[21:52] <mkopack> yo
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[21:52] <mkopack> Ok, picked up a pair of Samsung Class 6 SD cards??? Packaging said MaxRead 24MB/s, max Write 13MB/s
[21:53] <mkopack> Figured that would be decent
[21:54] <friggle> maybe, but the max read/write doesn't tell you too much when considering how it will perform with an ext4 filesystem
[21:54] <mkopack> yeah ,true
[21:54] <friggle> though samsung seem to do reasonably well in the linaro flash card survey (have a decent number of AUs)
[21:54] <friggle> kingston seem to be the worst
[21:54] <mkopack> it's all a complete guessing game it seems
[21:55] <mkopack> Frys also had a 32GB Patriot Torqx 2 SSD for $39 after $50 MIR...
[21:55] <friggle> mkopack: somewhat. Arnd Bergman's work I was referencing is very helpful in understanding SD card performance variance. Also, try the flashbench test olpc use http://wiki.laptop.org/go/SDCard_Testing
[21:55] <mkopack> Thought about getting it, but then I looked up a review that showed it to be pretty horrible performance wise, so didn't see the point in wasting the money
[21:56] <friggle> that test is making the assumption that you want at least 5AUs for decent linux performance, which may or may not be true. Certainly if it does well on that test it's a good card. If it does poorly, it's questionable
[21:56] <friggle> someone ran it on a selection of cards. 4KB writes are what we care about
[21:56] <friggle> Transcend 4GB (class 4) - 698K/s SanDisk 2GB (class 4) - 41K/s Transcend 8GB (class 10) - 40K/s Kingston 4GB (class 4) - 6K/s
[21:57] <friggle> we're liking the transcend 4GB class 4 - seem to be a bit of a sweet spot in terms of price/performance
[21:58] <mkopack> well, a this point I just needed a couple extra cards??? I have a Sony Class 4, and a pair of Patriot Class 6 (all 16GB) cards that I was planning to use, but then when I got the Pandaboard, I realized that I really need 2 for that (1 for a "good working" FS, and then another when I want to "try out" new OS images...)
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> so... how does the raspberrypi github thing work... can anyone outside of the foundation send anything upstream?
[21:59] <ReggieUK> mkopack, that seems to be the norm for any dev work that relies on SD, 1 for sunday best and one for arsing around with
[21:59] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: make a pull request
[21:59] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: I damm well hope that is how they plan to work, pull requests and they comment on the patches.
[21:59] <friggle> DJWillis: definitely. Some of the guys are a bit new to the git workflow though
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> some .pc files would surely be useful
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> for egl and glesv2 at least
[22:00] <DJWillis> friggle: awesome, yep, it takes some getting used to but it is quite the norm these days and there are very good guides. On that note, is there any chance of a formal mailing list for the board, pull requests, patches, upstream discussion etc.?
[22:00] <friggle> well that lots of packaging work in general. e.g. the broadcom libs should really be a .deb with a repository for updates
[22:01] <friggle> DJWillis: it's all a bit ad-hoc at the moment. We've got a mailing list here at the computer lab, Chris Tyler set up a mailing list for those with alpha boards that never got used much
[22:02] <cjbaird> git usage never sticks in my head.. Where I have to use it, I create shell-scripts like "update.sh" with the commands I can never remember...
[22:02] <DJWillis> friggle: yep, reminds me of another project dear to my heart ;)
[22:02] <cjbaird> comp.sys.raspberrypi :)
[22:02] <ReggieUK> tig can help with git
[22:02] <friggle> DJWillis: I agree it would be a good idea, though I'm not going to hassle for it right now. I'm not sure offhand who could host. I notice launchpad do normal mailman mailing lists
[22:03] <friggle> ReggieUK: I love tig :)
[22:03] <friggle> DJWillis: if there are any patches you want to discuss or queries about the current patchset, happy to put you in touch with those who wrote it
[22:03] <DJWillis> friggle: don't push for anything other than getting boards out of the door ;).
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> *sigh* stupid /opt/vc thing.... why not put things in a proper standard directory?
[22:03] <DJWillis> friggle: if I can't get by I may take you up on that.
[22:04] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: sure, there's lots of packaging work to do. Hopefully now with more boards around, the community will be able to chip in in a productive fasion
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[22:05] <friggle> DJWillis: no problem at all, we'd *love* to have more people hacking on the kernel. Even if it's minor fixes
[22:05] <friggle> or just clean up to help get it upstream
[22:05] <friggle> Alan Cox provided a very useful code review
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, what do you mean exactly by packaging in this case?
[22:06] <DJWillis> friggle: I have so much cruft floating it's way upstream I am loathsome to give myself more work. I swore I was not going to get sucked into this as it is ;)
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[22:07] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: making pretty debs that meet all the Debian packaging guidelines and could be put in non-free
[22:07] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: well a better 'standard' package of the GPU bits would be great, installed to standard locations etc. etc.
[22:07] <friggle> DJWillis: ;)
[22:07] <Hexxeh> hmm
[22:07] <Hexxeh> i have an idea
[22:07] <friggle> we have some Debian guys on-board now though, so hopefully things like that should improve
[22:07] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, ah, don't have much interest in debian personally
[22:07] <Hexxeh> maybe i should say whoever manages to get chromium compiled for armv6 hardfloat can buy my farnell rpi off me, same price i paid
[22:09] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: well the packaging rules are such that you could argue that everyone benifits from it.
[22:09] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: hardfloat? Damm, not rebuilding my environment today just for that ;)
[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, DJWillis, so do you think that /opt/vc/lib and include should eventually make it to /usr or is there a reason they are in /opt?
[22:10] <Hexxeh> happy to provide environments
[22:10] <Hexxeh> i've setup a couple VPSes with different environments on
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[22:11] <Hexxeh> link errors from attempting with the codesourcery toolchain: http://pastebin.com/8uz2ve2N
[22:12] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: honestly I'm not too sure what's standard in this case. Almost anything using libEGL is going to need some tweaking to work with different implementations anyway
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[22:13] <DJWillis> friggle: yep, been the subject of some discussion in other areas as there is not even much of a defacto standard (that is followed anyway). It's just 'hack for platform x, y, z locations'.
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[22:15] <friggle> hmm, reverse-engineered Mali driver and now a reverse-engineered Snapdragon driver in the works
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[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> EGL_CFLAGS="-I/opt/vc/include" EGL_LIBS="-lEGL -L/opt/vc/lib" GLESv2_CFLAGS="-I/opt/vc/include" GLESv2_LIBS="-lGLESv2 -L/opt/vc/lib" ./configure
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just awful =/
[22:52] <ReggieUK> I'd export the lot of em as env vars
[22:52] <ReggieUK> scripted or w/e
[22:52] <friggle> I don't understand why you need -lGLESv2 in GLESv2_LIBS
[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, why wouldn't I? O_o
[22:53] <friggle> is there not a generic autotools way of adding extra dirs to your include and lib path, which is all you need to do here?
[22:53] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: I mean, that bit is expected. It's -L/opt/vc/lib which is the weird bit right?
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> probably, but I dont know it, so I am using the pkg-config way, which seems to be what most packages I've seen use.
[22:54] <friggle> and you probably need bcm_host
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> bcm_host, ey?
[22:55] <friggle> ah but you're just compiling a lib aren't you, so I suppose the host app would use it
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> the lib and host app both compile just fine in qemu linked against the files in /opt
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> the flags I posted there are actually for the host app
[22:56] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: but you probably need to bcm_host_init()
[22:56] <friggle> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle/triangle.c
[22:57] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: plus, how are you creating an EGL window?
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> sdl 1.2
[22:57] <friggle> ah, well SDL is going to need to know how to do that with broadcom dispmanx
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like I should just wait till I get the board
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[22:59] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: I strongly recommend you take a look at that triangle example. Any lib you use needs to do that to get an EGL window. Either modify the lib or get the window yourself
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I've looked at the example
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[23:04] <ShiftPlusOne> It all worked fine on a different board with gles 2.0 support. What's up with all this bcm_host_init(); stuff?
[23:04] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: every GLes 'thing' still needs to setup the context on the hardware including SDL. Take a look at some of the OpenPandora EGL/SDL stuff for ideas and code to nick. Once you have the context (i.e. that example) you will be well away.
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> DJWillis, yeah, that's what the lib was... ES support for SDL 1.2
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> which was nicked from maemo
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[23:10] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: assuming you mean this http://git.maemo.org/git/sdlhildon/?p=sdlhildon;a=blob;f=sdlgles/src/SDL_gles.c, they have the advantage that their EGL implementation is X-aware
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[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that's exactly it
[23:10] <friggle> so egl_surface = eglCreateWindowSurface(egl_display, cur_context->egl_config, 295 (EGLNativeWindowType)info.info.x11.window, NULL);
[23:10] <friggle> that wouldn't work on the pi
[23:11] <friggle> you'd need to use the vc_dispmanx stuff to create an EGLNativeWindow to pass to eglCreateWindowSurface
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> so... is the EGL implementation likely to be improved and made a bit more standard?
[23:11] <friggle> EGL..standard? ;)
[23:12] <friggle> things could obviously be *way* better in terms of X integration, which is basically non-existent at the moment
[23:12] <Hexxeh> can anyone notice anything amiss in this strace? http://pastebin.com/9d8CFH1H
[23:12] <Hexxeh> trying to debug chrome segfault
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like modifying that SDL_gles.c shouldn't be too much of a hassle with that triangle example
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[23:13] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: that said, see also vgrade's libegl hack
[23:14] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw and http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl
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[23:14] <friggle> which actually probably would mean your sdl lib would work (fullscreen)
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[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> seems like something that's not worth working on without a board, so I'll shelve it for now.
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[23:17] <friggle> and it seems a bit pointless to use that hack when you're compiling the lib anyway - might as well just modify SDL_gles.c
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[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that's the plan. I quite like the SDL_gles thing.... should make porting things a bit easier as well as allow for the same code to be compiled for x86 (with mesa's egl) and arm
[23:20] <friggle> what...the...hell. Just got a "bill coby at 83" fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd from someone I was at school with, but never even really spoke to anyway
[23:20] <friggle> *cosby
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> people still do that?
[23:22] <friggle> I don't think I've every had obnoxious fwds before
[23:22] <Hopsy> please
[23:22] <Hopsy> someone helpp
[23:23] <friggle> Hopsy: have you fallen and you can't get up?
[23:23] <Hopsy> I haattee javscript
[23:23] <Hopsy> indeed
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Hopsy, javascript? well there's your problem.
[23:23] <Hopsy> its like hell
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[23:24] <Hopsy> its killing me
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[23:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Working on some web frontend stuff?
[23:25] <Hopsy> uhm sort of
[23:25] <Hopsy> ShiftPlusOne: http://gyazo.com/f29504b17120f7d1d8aa00a2778b1a92.png?1334437402
[23:25] <Hexxeh> did anyone take a look at the strace i posted?
[23:25] <Hopsy> HOW can I send httpChannel?!?!
[23:25] <Hopsy> to post it on my screen
[23:25] <Hopsy> howwwwwwww
[23:25] <friggle> Hexxeh: unknown paste id
[23:26] <Hexxeh> friggle: bugger, forgot i had it default to 10 minute expiration, i'll repaste
[23:26] <Hexxeh> friggle: http://pastebin.com/GHNRMhxs
[23:26] <Hopsy> it says it doesnt defined, I DID DEFINEd it stupid javascript
[23:27] <Hopsy> well any ideas ShiftPlusOne?
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Hopsy, oh, no, I don't touch javascript with ten foot pole.
[23:28] <Hopsy> I can understand thattt..........
[23:29] <Hexxeh> hmm, wait futex_clock_realtime
[23:29] <Hexxeh> related to rtc possibly?
[23:29] <friggle> Hexxeh: nothing seemed obviously wrong to me...
[23:30] <friggle> friggle: can you get a backtrace at all?
[23:30] <Hexxeh> yeah, but i can't get a debug build to build, so it won't be much use
[23:30] <Hexxeh> sec
[23:30] <friggle> Hexxeh: /proc/self/auxv is checking cpu capabilities right
[23:30] <Hexxeh> seems so
[23:31] <Hexxeh> friggle: http://pastebin.com/prxsmzf6
[23:31] <friggle> Hexxeh: :) not so useful
[23:32] <Hexxeh> i can't get a debug build of chromium built
[23:32] <Hexxeh> but my toolchain is a bit screwy
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[23:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: by the way, my worry about v8 is in http://code.google.com/p/v8/source/browse/trunk/SConstruct
[23:34] <friggle> look at e.g. line 162 and line 171
[23:34] <friggle> vfp3 is on by default, so if you compile for softfp or hard you get CAN_USE_VFP_INSTRUCTIONS
[23:34] <friggle> but this should really be called CAN_USE_VFP3_INSTRUCTIONS (armv6 is vfp2)
[23:36] <Hexxeh> ah
[23:36] <Hexxeh> it's using that
[23:36] <Hexxeh> shouldn't the compile fail in that case though?
[23:36] <Hexxeh> since i'm using an armv6 toolchain?
[23:37] <friggle> Hexxeh: not if it's just jitted code. I'm not saying it's necessarily the problem you're facing now
[23:38] <Hexxeh> http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/v8/tools/gyp/v8.gyp&exact_package=chromium&q=enable_vfp3&type=cs&l=183
[23:38] <Hexxeh> looks like it gets disabled on non armv7 builds
[23:39] <friggle> Hexxeh: ah, great. the qt guys were having that problem as they were trying to bypass most of the v8 build system I think then
[23:39] <Hexxeh> also, chrome for android is the same codebase
[23:39] <Hexxeh> and that builds for armv6
[23:39] <Hexxeh> anything else i should check?
[23:39] <Hexxeh> i'm out of ideas at this point
[23:40] <friggle> what toolchain are you using?
[23:40] <Hexxeh> crossdev'd toolchain, armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[23:40] <friggle> your whole system is hardfloat?
[23:41] <Hexxeh> yes
[23:41] <friggle> I wouldn't rule out compiler bugs. Chromium isn't a simple project and armv6+hardfloat isn't common
[23:41] <Matt> compilers are fun
[23:42] <Hexxeh> armv6zk-softfloat-linux-gnueabi then friggle?
[23:42] <friggle> might be a safer starting point
[23:42] <Hexxeh> alright then, i'll give it a shot
[23:42] <friggle> but then you'll have to rebuild all yoru other libs
[23:42] <Hexxeh> yeah
[23:43] <Hexxeh> only takes a couple hours
[23:43] <friggle> there may be another obvious step to take to debug...nothing comes to mind right now though
[23:44] <friggle> and it does rather suck you can't get a debug build working
[23:44] <friggle> compiler issues did you say?
[23:44] <Hexxeh> yeah, fails linking
[23:44] <Hexxeh> i don't have the failure to hand
[23:47] <DJWillis> Just about to try Gnome 2 for the hell of it with a fair bit of zram and other things setup to try and get that little bit more out of things ;). No way to make it usable in 256MB but I am interested in seeing what it runs like with xFBDEV and no tweaks when compaired to an ARMv7 OpenPandora also using xFBDEV
[23:53] <markus> DJWillis: do you have a raspberry pi?
[23:53] <DJWillis> markus: a few devs have early retail units now for hacking on.
[23:54] <hamitron> would it be rude to get an Apple screen, and call it "My Apple and Raspberry Pi"?
[23:54] <hamitron> ;/
[23:54] <DJWillis> markus: and to answer that mroe clearly, yep.
[23:55] <markus> =) nice
[23:55] <hamitron> bah, ok for some
[23:55] <hamitron> :/
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[23:57] <friggle> though farnell were shipping yesterday, so customers who got in early should receive units soon too
[23:57] <DJWillis> hamitron: tempted to see what it will look like driving a big HD display other than REALLY slow on the screen updates ;-).
[23:57] <hamitron> hehe
[23:57] <DJWillis> friggle: that is really good news.
[23:57] <Hexxeh> it looks pretty good on a 120" screen here :P
[23:57] <hamitron> "can this fly walk across the screen faster"
[23:57] <Hexxeh> other than the really slow redraws
[23:58] <friggle> DJWillis: do you mean high res? I don't think we support > 1920x1200
[23:59] <DJWillis> friggle: well that would be 1920*1080 but with the current x setup that is going to take some work to keep the updates coming.
[23:59] <DJWillis> friggle: I do plan on messing with some screens at work in the 25**by**** type setup.
[23:59] <hamitron> can you use a command line on the tv without X?
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[23:59] <friggle> hamitron: sure

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