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IRC Log for 2012-04-15

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[0:00] <hamitron> just checking
[0:00] <hamitron> in case it was some weird setup
[0:00] <hamitron> :)
[0:00] <hamitron> all too easy to take things for granted
[0:00] <hamitron> ;)
[0:01] <_av500_> DJWillis: 25** as in?
[0:03] * IT_Sean wants a raspi
[0:03] <hamitron> 2560?
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[0:03] <hamitron> just guessing 1280+1280
[0:03] <Matt> I love how top-loading washing machines have self balancing spin cycles
[0:03] <hamitron> :)
[0:04] <_av500_> hamitron: right, but these need dual link dvi
[0:04] <_av500_> and i guess r-pi is single link only
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[0:04] <hamitron> hell, I not even got a display with hdmi yet, mind is overloaded /o\
[0:04] <DJWillis> hamitron: yep, and _av500_ is right, need dual link to drive now I think about it so it's a non starter.
[0:05] <hamitron> :/
[0:05] <_av500_> DJWillis: but 2560x1440 is indeed nice :)
[0:05] <friggle> dual link displays are backwards compatible with single link inputs hopefully?
[0:05] <hamitron> why stop at 1440?
[0:05] <DJWillis> friggle: yep, but not driven at that res.
[0:05] <hamitron> 2048 ;/
[0:06] * hamitron is still on 5:4 screens
[0:06] <IT_Sean> widescreen ftw
[0:06] <wcchandler> has newark started shipping yet?
[0:06] <_av500_> hamitron: coz the 1440 dell was affordable
[0:07] <hamitron> widescreen only seem to be a way for marketing to hide the fact it has less height :/
[0:07] <_av500_> the x1600 apple 30" was not
[0:07] <haltdef_> my dell u2711 is epic
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[0:08] <hamitron> I wouldn't mind trying 3 widescreen monitor, flipped 90 degree, with some ATI card
[0:08] <_av500_> mine is more epic
[0:08] <hamitron> eyeinfinity or something
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[0:08] <_av500_> eyefinity and beyond
[0:08] <hamitron> once these CRT blow up.... I have an excuse ;)
[0:09] <_av500_> use a hammer
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[0:09] <_av500_> or a wrong modeline
[0:09] <hamitron> but things only seem to break on their own, when you don't want them to
[0:09] * DJWillis is actually quite keen for the desk clamp vesa mount he has ordered with 3 arms to hold screens ;).
[0:10] <hamitron> I refuse to break them on purpose
[0:10] <Tomtiger11> Looks like my estimated delivery time is way off
[0:10] <hamitron> :)
[0:10] <_av500_> DJWillis: carefull that is does not grab you and drag you to its nest....
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[0:10] <DJWillis> _av500_: it is like something out of a Giger picture :o
[0:10] <_av500_> :)
[0:11] <_av500_> mare sure all 3 screens show stock quotes
[0:11] <_av500_> make
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[0:11] <_av500_> and one has CNN in the corner on mute
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[0:11] <DJWillis> _av500_: have you looked at the incident room where I work :o
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[0:12] <_av500_> of course
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[0:13] <DJWillis> I was up there sorting some stuff out for some video stuff we are working on and left 4 60" screens showing an SSH to an OE build just to make it look a bit more like they have a purpose ;).
[0:13] <_av500_> but then, i have that 3x2 beagle wall
[0:14] <DJWillis> _av500_: you win ;)
[0:14] * stereohead is now known as stereohead-away
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[0:22] <M0RBD> just found a blast from the past... USR Courier V.Everything..
[0:22] <mkopack> lol
[0:22] <mkopack> Remember the old Hayes Modems?
[0:22] <M0RBD> yeah
[0:22] <mkopack> I know the co-founder
[0:22] <mkopack> He's in the Atlanta Hobby Robotics Club
[0:23] <mkopack> KICKS ALL OUT ASSES in the competitions
[0:23] <mkopack> OUR
[0:23] <M0RBD> Oldschool
[0:23] <M0RBD> :D
[0:23] <mkopack> (of course, it helps when you're old, retired, and rich and have nothing better to do)
[0:23] <M0RBD> true
[0:23] <M0RBD> I have respect for alot of the old folks
[0:23] <mkopack> and know analog EE like the back of your hand
[0:23] <mkopack> yeah he's frickin brilliant
[0:23] <mkopack> nice guy too
[0:24] <mkopack> we all joke that we want him to adopt us
[0:24] <M0RBD> hehe
[0:24] <mikey_w> mkopack: "The whole world is analog an digital plays a bit part".
[0:25] <mikey_w> s/an/and
[0:25] <M0RBD> hum a major fail on the courier, I found 3x of them in a drawer... they have myriads of info on the bottom but none about what voltage the psu is
[0:25] * IT_Sean reaches down to his laptop bag and whips out a 9600 baud, external, serial modem
[0:25] * M0RBD whistles in this Captain Crunch Whistle
[0:26] <M0RBD> 2600hz for the masses :D
[0:26] * IT_Sean puts his modem back in his IT Guy Go Bag
[0:27] <IT_Sean> Yes, i really do carry a cruddy old analog dial modem for work. :p
[0:28] <IT_Sean> /quit phood
[0:28] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: phood)
[0:28] <mkopack> YAY!!!! I think I have my assignment working!!!
[0:28] <M0RBD> Heh, more stuff from the past... Ericsson DC23 modem, connectes to a GA628 or similar.
[0:28] <M0RBD> Used it for an alert system... sends SMS via atdt commands :D
[0:29] <mkopack> Oh GD it???
[0:29] <mkopack> Spoke too soon...
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[1:04] <M0RBD> mkopack: I usually do like the tourtte guy.. reg GD... BoB SaggeT :D
[1:05] <M0RBD> If kids are around ...
[1:05] <mkopack> Actually, I have it working now??? whew
[1:05] <M0RBD> :D
[1:05] <mkopack> Just building up a web page to display the renderings.
[1:05] <mkopack> stupid prof wants them on the web, not just sent in along with our code??? grrr
[1:06] <Hexxeh> 188 packages down, 252 to go
[1:10] <JonSeals> orders aren't back up yet right?
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[1:10] <mkopack> Jon?
[1:11] <mkopack> Not on the RPi website. Never will be
[1:11] <mkopack> Go to RS or Farnell (or Allied Electronics or Newark.com if you're in the USA)
[1:11] <des2> Never say never.
[1:11] <zgreg> the foundation is only going to sell t-shirts and shit now
[1:13] <zgreg> anyway, I wonder when we'll see the first posts of disappointed raspberry pi buyers on the forums
[1:13] <mkopack> probably next week when most people in the first batch receive them
[1:14] <Tomtiger11> zgreg: Why dissapointed?
[1:14] <zgreg> Tomtiger11: because lots and lots of people have completely warped expectations of what the pi will deliver
[1:14] <Tomtiger11> I thought it was obvious.
[1:15] <Tomtiger11> Barebones, low powered, cheap
[1:15] <zgreg> many people want to use the pi as a cheap desktop machine
[1:15] <zgreg> or a NAS
[1:16] <Tomtiger11> A nas is maybe ok, but a desktop machine... -.-
[1:16] <zgreg> it's simply not suitable for these tasks
[1:16] <M0RBD> Tomtiger11: actually I would think otherway round...
[1:16] <JonSeals> mkopack: okay
[1:16] <zgreg> NAS is OK? well maybe, if you don't care about speed :)
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[1:16] <SpeedEvil> It's quite suitable as a low performance NAS
[1:17] <M0RBD> zgreg: I'm just waiting until they complain it can't run Windows :D
[1:17] <zgreg> those plug computers are much more suitable as a NAS, and often similarly cheap
[1:17] <Tomtiger11> zgreg: Standard ethernet, and if you are only using it as a NAS, probaly fine
[1:17] <JonSeals> Holy crap! "1 Expected to ship 15 Aug, 2012"
[1:17] <Tomtiger11> Windows is quite bad
[1:17] <M0RBD> :D
[1:18] * esotera (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Bye)
[1:18] <M0RBD> JonSeals: is this in the UK?
[1:18] <zgreg> Tomtiger11: unfortunately ethernet is attached over usb, and the HDDs will need to be attached over the same port
[1:18] * M0RBD hopes he gets his before Dec 21
[1:18] <Tomtiger11> Ive still got my 23rd april
[1:18] <JonSeals> M0RBD: newark.com
[1:18] <M0RBD> JonSeals: ok
[1:18] <zgreg> so, NAS *will* be quite slow
[1:18] <M0RBD> I run my NAS in xen
[1:19] <philh> zgreg, i haven't seen cheap plug computers in the uk
[1:19] <Tomtiger11> I dont think my pi will come on the 23rd though
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> Pogoplug is ridiculously expensive
[1:19] <M0RBD> philh: I dont find them worth the price...
[1:20] <Hexxeh> philh: i've seen pogoplugs for about ??45 in the uk
[1:20] <Hexxeh> in comet on offer
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> It's less than $45 in the US
[1:20] <philh> Hexxeh, i wouldn't have thought to venture into comet for such a thing
[1:20] <Hexxeh> philh: only worth a look for their clearance area usually
[1:20] <Hexxeh> but i did spot it on my way past
[1:21] <Hexxeh> this was a few weeks ago
[1:21] <Hexxeh> not sure if they still do them
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[1:22] <hamitron> I just recycle old unwanted hardware
[1:22] <hamitron> :)
[1:22] <M0RBD> hamitron: yeah that's or ebuya
[1:22] <M0RBD> that evn
[1:22] <hamitron> hardest part is "getting permission" ;)
[1:23] <philh> hmm, looks like you can get a pink one from a uk seller on ebay for ?40
[1:23] <hamitron> pink? :|
[1:23] <philh> very
[1:23] <M0RBD> hamitron: if you are talking about the other half then I usually don't ask... but then we dont talk for a week.
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[1:23] <M0RBD> :D
[1:23] <hamitron> haha
[1:23] <philh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PogoPlug-File-Multimedia-Sharing-Device-POGO-E02-UK-PC-Mac-Linux-nas-usb-NEW-/220994058963#ht_2610wt_1398
[1:23] <hamitron> I guess that is one way
[1:23] <hamitron> ;)
[1:23] <M0RBD> :D
[1:23] <hamitron> I have been given a limit of 20 computers
[1:23] <M0RBD> Oh
[1:23] <M0RBD> That what I had in my colleage room
[1:23] <hamitron> so i consider her kind of understanding
[1:24] <M0RBD> 13sqm with junk
[1:24] <hamitron> hehe
[1:24] <M0RBD> PC/macs and sparcstations/hp boxes
[1:24] <philh> that's a pretty generous limit
[1:24] <M0RBD> Really nice in the winter as no additional heating was needed
[1:24] <hamitron> philh, indeed
[1:24] <M0RBD> :D
[1:25] <hamitron> although I have 23 atm :/
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[1:25] <M0RBD> hamitron: I actually cut it down a bit by virtualzing
[1:25] <hamitron> I tried that for a while
[1:25] <hamitron> and may do that, when I renew my displays
[1:25] <M0RBD> I found that I/O was the biggest bottleneck
[1:25] <hamitron> yeh
[1:25] <M0RBD> disk i/o evn
[1:25] <hamitron> and switching screen I find a pain
[1:26] <hamitron> almost as bad as dual booting
[1:26] <hamitron> :/
[1:26] <hamitron> I'm guessing that works better on a better monitor
[1:26] <M0RBD> What I did for the SAN is simply that the domu is accessing the disks directly..
[1:26] <M0RBD> rather than a image
[1:26] * M0RBD has a overkill setup
[1:26] <hamitron> most my machines actually boot over the network
[1:26] <M0RBD> yeah
[1:27] <M0RBD> you need 1GBps for that
[1:27] <hamitron> so I/O performance is not great
[1:27] <hamitron> I have 100Mbps
[1:27] <M0RBD> with 9k frame
[1:27] <M0RBD> ahh..
[1:27] <M0RBD> well I remember the days where 10mbps was enough.
[1:27] <hamitron> will upgrade to 1Gbps, once some hardware fails again ;)
[1:27] <M0RBD> hehe
[1:27] <des2> I b ought my pogoplug for $22.
[1:28] <hamitron> I refuse to buy new, to just have more left in a box now
[1:28] <philh> des2, but is it pink?
[1:28] <des2> Yes.
[1:28] <hamitron> :/
[1:28] <hamitron> I don't get why they make pink things like that
[1:28] <M0RBD> paint it black.
[1:28] <hamitron> or laptops
[1:28] <hamitron> it just restricts the audience
[1:28] <M0RBD> hamitron: neither do I
[1:28] <des2> It's a pinkoplug
[1:28] <zgreg> I don't mind pink
[1:29] <zgreg> it's MUCH better than that black glossy finish bullshit
[1:29] <hamitron> I know some will like pink :)
[1:29] <hamitron> but comeon
[1:29] <hamitron> a straight guy can't setup a pink laptop in the library
[1:29] <zgreg> this glossy crap is like a disease
[1:29] <philh> whyever not?
[1:29] <hamitron> just cuz ;/
[1:30] <zgreg> hamitron: sexual insecurities? :D
[1:30] <philh> a man with any degree of taste can't, but i'm not sure sexuality has anything to do with it
[1:31] <des2> They should come in camoflage.
[1:31] <hamitron> I saw one in it
[1:31] <hamitron> :)
[1:31] <hamitron> tbh, I'd take most colours around, just not pink
[1:31] <hamitron> or purple
[1:31] <hamitron> gloss is just annoying.... finger prints!
[1:32] <des2> hamitron what color will yout Pi case be ?
[1:32] <hamitron> well
[1:32] <hamitron> I haven't ordered a r-pi yet
[1:32] <hamitron> I got this 20 computer limit
[1:32] <hamitron> ;)
[1:32] <philh> i saw a lovely transparent lasercut perspex one on ebay a while back
[1:33] <hamitron> I'll make my own
[1:33] <philh> featuring the raspi logo, so presumably that'll have been removed
[1:33] <des2> In a circular queue of fixed size you just discard the oldest one when a new computer is sadded
[1:33] <philh> ah, no, still there http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRE-ORDER-your-Raspberry-Pi-CASE-3mm-thick-acrylic-Custom-made-Laser-CUTTING-/360448704339?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item53ec6abf53#ht_10621wt_1502
[1:33] <hamitron> des2, I can't throw away my first PC :/
[1:33] <philh> simple but appealing
[1:34] <hamitron> just love it
[1:34] <philh> hamitron, what vintage is your first pc?
[1:34] <hamitron> p120
[1:34] <hamitron> totally fanless
[1:34] <hamitron> ;)
[1:34] <philh> that's a bit modern
[1:34] <hamitron> yeh
[1:34] <des2> I finally got another totallt fanless computer. Intel atom based.
[1:34] <philh> i bet your hard disk's hundreds of megabytes in size, too
[1:35] <hamitron> ofc
[1:35] <hamitron> although my smallest working hdd is 80MB
[1:35] <hamitron> I would love a 286 machine
[1:35] <IT_Sean> O.o
[1:35] <IT_Sean> what do you even do with 80mb?
[1:36] <hamitron> fully working ofc
[1:36] <IT_Sean> that's tiny!?
[1:36] <hamitron> I used it as a boot drive
[1:36] <des2> Boy am I glad I'm beyond my 484 machines...
[1:36] <philh> i miss the old family PCs, 20MB HDDs with stacker
[1:36] <des2> 486 rather
[1:36] <hamitron> I just want a 286 for Minix
[1:36] <hamitron> :)
[1:36] <hamitron> not bothered about 386 or 486
[1:37] * eyveer (~eyveer@ip-37-85.zax.pl) Quit ()
[1:37] <hamitron> the idea of getting a unix system running on 640KB memory is just cool
[1:37] <hamitron> I've even bought the 1st version of the book for it, so I can learn the old low requirements version
[1:37] <hamitron> :)
[1:38] <IT_Sean> but, what would you DO with such a small system? :p
[1:38] <hamitron> IT_Sean, stop making my aims pointless
[1:38] <hamitron> ty ;/
[1:38] <IT_Sean> bah, you take all the fun out of everything
[1:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:38] <hamitron> heh
[1:38] <hamitron> tbh
[1:38] <hamitron> IF I get a r-pi
[1:39] <hamitron> that will be my focus
[1:39] <hamitron> taking an old OS like Minix 2.0, and porting it
[1:40] <hamitron> such a port would be amazing for education
[1:40] <hamitron> and it would give me kicks doing it
[1:40] <hamitron> ;)
[1:41] <Tomtiger11> Port ubuntu for it :P
[1:41] <hamitron> I hate ubuntu
[1:41] <hamitron> well, have no need for it
[1:41] <hamitron> ;/
[1:42] <Tomtiger11> I like it, unless its thenserver version. Then i hate it
[1:42] <hamitron> ubuntu doesn't really need to be ported does it? more just re-built
[1:43] <IT_Sean> whelp.... any drivers need to be ARM-ified, and such
[1:43] <IT_Sean> right?
[1:43] <hamitron> I also fail to see the point, when there is debian
[1:43] <IT_Sean> 'buntu > deeb
[1:44] <hamitron> drivers come with the kernel, which needs to be built for the system
[1:44] * IT_Sean goes upstairs to get socks
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[1:44] <Matt> socks?
[1:44] <Matt> you keep your proxy upstairs?
[1:45] <hamitron> my proxy is in a different country :/
[1:45] * IT_Sean installs socks
[1:45] <hamitron> left and right? ;/
[1:45] <IT_Sean> of course!
[1:46] <hamitron> now are they a matched pair? ;)
[1:46] <hamitron> that is the tough part
[1:46] <IT_Sean> having Socks properly configured & installed ensures that Feet operates properly regardless of enviornmental conditions.
[1:46] <Matt> are they wool?
[1:46] <IT_Sean> they are... ... um...
[1:46] <IT_Sean> ...white.
[1:47] <Matt> so probably a cotton mix
[1:47] <IT_Sean> aye
[1:47] <IT_Sean> i believe so
[1:47] <Matt> wool has an interesting property
[1:47] <Matt> that makes it excellent for socks
[1:47] <Matt> it keeps you warm even when it's wet
[1:47] <IT_Sean> I know
[1:47] * Matt has a wife who knits him socks :D
[1:48] <IT_Sean> But, these are more comfortable, and as i am not currently at sea, cotton 'll do fine.
[1:48] <hamitron> main when you put them in the wrong wash though ;)
[1:48] <hamitron> pain*
[1:48] <Matt> hand knit socks are excellent
[1:48] <Matt> hamitron: there is that :)
[1:48] * Matt hand washes his
[1:48] <hamitron> dangerous stuff that :/
[1:48] <Matt> hand knit socks or hand washing?
[1:48] <hamitron> hand washing them :D
[1:49] <hamitron> it would be mine anyway ;)
[1:49] <IT_Sean> sounds like hamitron may have misconfigured his Washing.config file
[1:49] <Matt> quite
[1:49] <Matt> he should try Eucalan
[1:50] <hamitron> doubt the other half is gonna start hand washing socks tbh
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[1:51] <Matt> fill bowl with luke walm water, add a capful of eucalan, add socks, let soak for 15 mins, remove socks, squeeze to get rid of most of the water then leave to dry
[1:51] <hamitron> I tend to wear 3 pairs per day :/
[1:51] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[1:52] <hamitron> be insane amount of time
[1:52] <hamitron> just cba
[1:52] <piless> what
[1:52] <hamitron> with washing socks
[1:52] <hamitron> by hand
[1:53] <hamitron> :)
[1:53] <piless> why would you do that
[1:53] <hamitron> if I had wool socks
[1:53] <piless> thats what the handwash setting on the washing machine is for
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[1:54] <hamitron> heh
[1:55] * IT_Sean stuffs piless into a washing machine, sets it to
[1:55] * IT_Sean stuffs piless into a washing machine, sets it to "hand wash" and turns it on
[1:56] <hamitron> he'll probably get kicks from that ;/
[1:56] <IT_Sean> I was hoping he'd drown during the rinse cycle.
[1:56] <hamitron> ah, maybe :)
[1:57] <hamitron> omg
[1:57] <hamitron> I hurt all over
[1:57] <hamitron> :/
[1:57] <IT_Sean> why?
[1:57] * hamitron has done too much rowing today
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[1:58] <hamitron> did a half-marathon :D
[1:58] <IT_Sean> is that what they call it these days?
[1:58] <Da|Mummy> fap
[1:58] <hamitron> ;/
[1:58] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:58] <hamitron> all this sitting down at a comp
[1:58] <piless> http://simplerisbetter.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/img_0193.jpg?w=500
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[1:59] <hamitron> decided I'd better start doing something again
[2:00] * IT_Sean sticks piless in the washing machine, sets it to Delicate, and presses Start
[2:00] <hamitron> that sounds more like an automated female for on a night
[2:00] <hamitron> :-o
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[2:00] <piless> IT_Sean: Delicate is for bras and stuff
[2:00] <hamitron> not sure what a Quick 30 is?
[2:00] <IT_Sean> what's a Quick 30, and does it come with the happy ending? :p
[2:00] <hamitron> haha
[2:00] <piless> 30 degrees
[2:01] <hamitron> hmmm
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[2:01] <hamitron> mine only does 40, 60 and 90
[2:01] <piless> hamitron: that's not very eco-friedly
[2:01] <hamitron> neither is throwing it away
[2:01] <hamitron> ;/
[2:01] * uen| is now known as uen
[2:02] <hamitron> the carbon emissions, making a device, is normally more than the electricity the device uses
[2:02] <Matt> piless: only if it's superwash wool
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[2:02] <Matt> if it's not superwash, you'll get felted socks
[2:02] <piless> Matt: fuck it
[2:02] <Matt> piless: when your dear wife has spent a not insignificant amount of time knitting them for you
[2:02] <Matt> then "fuck it" tends not to be the right attitude :)
[2:02] <piless> I don't bother to seperate my whites either! OH NOES
[2:03] * IT_Sean still wants to know where the Happy Ending button is on that thing, and what, exactly, the Quick 30 entails. :p
[2:03] <hamitron> Matt, she may as well spend more time washing them? ;)
[2:03] <Matt> heh
[2:03] <Matt> hamitron: actually it doesn't take long to hand wash them
[2:03] <piless> IT_Sean: Short and cold cycle
[2:03] <hamitron> I suppose not
[2:03] * IT_Sean is pretty sure he could go got a Quick 30 about now.
[2:03] <IT_Sean> *go for
[2:03] <piless> more like a long 40
[2:04] <Matt> and hand-knit socks are worth it :)
[2:04] <Matt> cause they'd knit to the size and shape of your feet
[2:04] <piless> that's what you americans call alcohol right? 40's?
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[2:04] <piless> 40%
[2:04] <piless> more like 39.5% amiright
[2:05] <IT_Sean> .... no.
[2:05] <IT_Sean> youaenot
[2:05] <piless> http://i.imgur.com/Zr1bP.jpg
[2:05] <hamitron> wtf is that for?
[2:06] <IT_Sean> piless, stop posting pics of your mum.
[2:06] <piless> peter dinklage is amazing
[2:06] <hamitron> a guy confused by the controls for the washing machine
[2:06] <piless> I think I have a mancrush
[2:06] <hamitron> wtf
[2:06] <hamitron> :/
[2:06] <piless> You ever see the station agent?
[2:06] <hamitron> no
[2:07] <piless> Nothing actually happens in the film but he's in it!
[2:07] <IT_Sean> the movie The Station Agent?
[2:07] <hamitron> but to provide a ballanced view to this channel, I think you need to now post a pic of a female
[2:07] <piless> Yeah
[2:07] <hamitron> ;)
[2:07] <IT_Sean> My cousin had a bit part in it, actually.
[2:07] <piless> You seen it?
[2:07] <IT_Sean> Nope.
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[2:07] <piless> it's alright for a film in which nothing actually happens
[2:08] <piless> hamitron: He also plays Tywin Lanister in Game of Thrones!
[2:09] <piless> *Tyrion actually
[2:09] <piless> I think tywin is his dad
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[2:11] <IT_Sean> I don't remember exactly where in the film my cousin appeared... something about a fight with a midget or something. Anywhoo, i have yet ot see it.
[2:11] <IT_Sean> *to
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[2:12] <piless> Peter dinklage is the midget!!
[2:12] * IT_Sean checks IMDB
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[2:14] <piless> IT_Sean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxLOXUGmRKI
[2:15] <hamitron> hmmm, I soon get my new internet connection (and access to youtube)
[2:15] <IT_Sean> He's just listed in the "special Thanks" bit, so, clearly, whatever part he had wasn't worth crediting
[2:15] <piless> whaaaaat
[2:15] <hamitron> I may go way over my download limit on the last day :D
[2:15] <IT_Sean> ha!
[2:15] <IT_Sean> Do it!
[2:15] <piless> IT_Sean: He's one of the main characters
[2:16] <piless> He just one an emmy and a goldon globe for his performance in it
[2:16] <piless> *won
[2:16] <IT_Sean> I was talking about my cousin, piless
[2:16] <piless> Ohh
[2:16] <IT_Sean> Not dinklage :p
[2:17] <des2> piless is your cousin ?
[2:17] <piless> des2: twice removed
[2:17] <IT_Sean> NO!
[2:17] <IT_Sean> god no
[2:18] <des2> Apparently he's removed you completey.
[2:18] <IT_Sean> I would.
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[2:24] <piless> IT_Sean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ZwuHfDRP0
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[2:33] <piless> IT_Sean: Do you have hbo?
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[2:41] <IT_Sean> HBO? Yes, why?
[2:43] <Hexxeh> 440 freshly cooked softfp packages, tasty.
[2:52] <piless> IT_Sean: hbo go?
[2:52] <piless> IT_Sean: If you started catching up now you could probably be done by the time s02e03 airs tomorrow
[2:54] <IT_Sean> s2e3 of what?
[2:56] <piless> game of thrones
[2:56] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:56] <IT_Sean> meh
[2:57] <piless> best show at the moment
[3:00] <RITRedbeard> evening
[3:03] * Matt pops some corn
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[3:08] <Hexxeh> should -DCAN_USE_UNALIGNED_ACCESSES=1 work on rpi?
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[3:10] <ukscone> Hexxeh: i wouldn't think so and if it did it'd be slow
[3:10] <Hexxeh> seems to be default in chrome
[3:12] <ukscone> arm is 4 byte sligned. can real at any byte but can onlt write in 4 vyte chunks
[3:12] <ukscone> sorry for the typos
[3:12] <Hexxeh> no worries
[3:12] <ukscone> lying down :)
[3:12] <Hexxeh> ah
[3:12] <Hexxeh> it's strange, even with an armv6 toolchain, it happily defaults to armv7 stuff
[3:13] <Hexxeh> but it's supposedly possible to build it for armv6 without changes
[3:15] <shirro> Hexxeh: have you tried building something simpler like node.js to see if you can get v8 working?
[3:15] <Hexxeh> no, cba bringing all the ebuilds for that in
[3:15] <Hexxeh> takes a while to manually add all the dependancies
[3:16] <Hexxeh> there used to be a tool that did it for you, but i don't know what the current way is
[3:16] <Hexxeh> it seems to change frequently-ish
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[3:19] <Hexxeh> looks like modifying Chromium to use the broadcom windowing might not be too difficult: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/gpu/gles2_conform_support/egl/
[3:20] <Hexxeh> assuming that's all there is
[3:23] <mkopack> If you get that working you can bet a lot of folks will use it!
[3:23] <Hexxeh> been working on it all day, so that's certainly the plan :P
[3:23] <Hexxeh> first step is getting it running unaccel, though
[3:23] <mkopack> Yeah obviously...
[3:24] <Hexxeh> though actually
[3:24] <Hexxeh> from what i've been reading, that might not be possible
[3:24] <Hexxeh> it seems the software rending support is broken currently
[3:24] <Hexxeh> has been since r16 or so
[3:24] <mkopack> Oops
[3:24] <Hexxeh> but we should certainly see more than an instant segfault
[3:24] <mkopack> So you might not have a choice
[3:24] <Hexxeh> well
[3:24] <Hexxeh> compiling without any accel stuff changed at the moment
[3:25] <Hexxeh> i want to see chrome throw some errors
[3:25] <Hexxeh> it should spew egl stuff into it's log if it's just failing to get a surface
[3:25] <Hexxeh> but currently it's just instantly segfaulting
[3:25] <mkopack> :(
[3:25] <Hexxeh> was suggested it could just be a hardfp/toolchain problem
[3:25] * ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca5689.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[3:25] <Hexxeh> so i'm recompiling everything softfp
[3:25] <mkopack> Ah
[3:25] <Hexxeh> taken about 4-5 hours so far :P
[3:26] <Hexxeh> even on an 8 core with 16GB ram :(
[3:26] <Hexxeh> cross compiling is sloooooow work.
[3:26] <Hexxeh> that and webkit/chrome is huge
[3:27] <mkopack> Imagine what it would be like on the pi itself!!! Lol
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[3:27] * M0RBD eats a windows user
[3:27] <shirro> you wouldn't have enough memory and even if you did there aren't enough seconds until heat death
[3:28] <Hexxeh> lol
[3:28] <Hexxeh> you need 4GB memory to link chrome :P
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[3:28] <mkopack> Jesus Christ!!
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[3:28] <Hexxeh> more for a debug build iirc
[3:28] <hamitron> mkopack, yes?
[3:28] <mkopack> Lol
[3:28] <shirro> there goes building natively with some distcc help
[3:29] <mkopack> Sorry, should have said Jesus fucking Christ!
[3:29] <hamitron> ;)
[3:29] <mkopack> Lol
[3:29] <Hexxeh> now what'd be REALLY cool
[3:29] <Hexxeh> is if we got webgl working
[3:29] <Hexxeh> :P
[3:29] <Hexxeh> even more cool would be native client
[3:30] <Hexxeh> but i doubt we have the oomph for that
[3:30] <hamitron> lets get opengl working first? :|
[3:30] <shirro> Thinking links2 looks good at this stage
[3:30] <Hexxeh> hamitron: there is working GL!
[3:30] <hamitron> seriously?
[3:30] <Hexxeh> just not in an X window :P
[3:30] <hamitron> oh
[3:30] <Hexxeh> how'd you think the Quake demo worked?
[3:31] <hamitron> I not looked at the gaming side that closely
[3:31] <hamitron> I'll be using it more headless
[3:31] <hamitron> :)
[3:31] <hamitron> but point taken
[3:31] <shirro> I really wish the 2yo hadn't thumped on the keyboard this morning and wiped out the 7 hour overnight build that had finished
[3:32] <shirro> He knows how to use the arrow keys and enter to make the mythtv play when the remote is hidden. Plays nastily with command history
[3:32] <Hexxeh> also, interestingly
[3:32] <Hexxeh> i tried the tiny usb wifi dongle i bought for the pi
[3:33] <Hexxeh> there's a driver for it, it loads, but it's not visible as an interface
[3:33] <Hexxeh> most odd
[3:33] <Hexxeh> rtl8192cu driver
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[3:33] <hamitron> does it have tools to setup wireless interfaces?
[3:33] <Hexxeh> this was on my chromeos image
[3:33] <Hexxeh> so yeah
[3:33] <Hexxeh> flimflam/wpa_supplicant
[3:34] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: 4-5hours... took 4-5days to compile GCC on a Decstation 3100 running NetBSD back in the days :D
[3:34] <hamitron> try restarting the network scripts?
[3:34] <Hexxeh> hamitron: tried all the usual stuff, nada
[3:34] <Hexxeh> doesn't even show up in dmesg
[3:34] <hamitron> :/
[3:34] <Hexxeh> modules show up in lmsod though
[3:34] <mkopack> https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mak346/Mike%20Kopack%20CS636%20Assignment1.html
[3:34] <Hexxeh> and all the cfg80211 stuff gets loaded
[3:34] <hamitron> I've never even used wireless on linux yet
[3:35] <hamitron> well, not enough to know wtf goes on
[3:35] <piless_> wireless on linux sucks
[3:35] <hamitron> imo, wireless sucks
[3:35] <mkopack> It is a bit of a pita
[3:35] <hamitron> you get range issues
[3:35] <hamitron> :/
[3:35] <hamitron> solid walls seem to stop the signal dead
[3:36] <piless_> hamitron: Some frequences fare better than others
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[3:36] <piless_> hamitron: try 802.11n
[3:36] <hamitron> last I tried was 802.11g
[3:37] <mkopack> N is wayyyy better
[3:37] <mkopack> IMO
[3:37] <hamitron> but now have cables all over the house
[3:37] <piless_> hamitron: Do you live in a heavily populated area?
[3:37] <hamitron> so no point in buying new wireless gear
[3:37] <hamitron> no
[3:37] <piless_> You need to make sure that the wireless channel you pick is the least 3 from congestion
[3:37] <mkopack> But you need one if those dual band ones... Otherwise if you have any G devices on it, the whole thing drops to G speed
[3:37] * M0RBD is still on 802.11g as he can't part with his WRT54GL
[3:38] <hamitron> I got a WRT54GL
[3:38] <hamitron> :)
[3:38] <piless_> mkopack: The dual band ones can only do 150mbit right? rather than 300mbit
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[3:38] <hamitron> wireless turned off ofc
[3:38] <mkopack> Not afaik
[3:38] <hamitron> tbh
[3:39] * M0RBD hands hamitron a tinfoil hat.
[3:39] <piless_> hamitron: Got any phones, tablets or laptops?
[3:39] <hamitron> think I'd rather upgrade parts of my network to 1gbit first
[3:39] <hamitron> only laptops
[3:39] <hamitron> no wireless in them
[3:39] <piless_> hamitron: Do you live in china?
[3:39] <Hexxeh> aaand my wireless connection dies again, so time to restart the build
[3:39] <Hexxeh> i really should remember to use screen...
[3:39] <mkopack> Wow, that's craptastic
[3:40] <hamitron> I just love my dell inspiron 8100
[3:40] <M0RBD> I have fibre on my backbones... i.e between 1st/2nd floor and to cable router :D
[3:40] <piless_> I think wifi in mobile phones is illegal in china
[3:40] <hamitron> :)
[3:40] <hamitron> the screen is 1600x1200
[3:40] <M0RBD> whats wrong with 80x25
[3:40] <hamitron> it runs win98 too
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[3:41] <Hexxeh> yay, chrome compile finished
[3:41] <Hexxeh> who knows if it'll run, ofc
[3:41] <hamitron> multi-booting winME,winXP and slackware atm :D
[3:43] <mkopack> WinME?!?!! Kill it kill it KILL IT!!!!
[3:43] <hamitron> wtf why?
[3:43] <mkopack> Kill the abortion
[3:43] <hamitron> it is fine once there are a few tweaks
[3:43] <M0RBD> lol winme
[3:43] <hamitron> ;/
[3:43] <mkopack> What in gods name could you possibly need or want ME for!?!?
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[3:43] <hamitron> I have winME purely for some old games that don't run on winXP
[3:44] <M0RBD> There has not been a single windows machine in my house since 1998 ... except in emulation.
[3:44] <M0RBD> :P
[3:44] <piless_> M0RBD: racist
[3:44] <hamitron> I like games damn it! don't take my games away, or I get pissed ;/
[3:45] <piless_> steam fuck yeah
[3:45] <hamitron> steam? :|
[3:45] <mkopack> Almost bought star wars kinect today for the Xbox, but figured id have no time to really play it
[3:45] <M0RBD> piless_: what :D
[3:46] <hamitron> if it wasn't for DRM, I'd have bought another laptop to play modern games on tbh
[3:46] <M0RBD> what DRM?
[3:46] <hamitron> I hate steam for a start
[3:47] <hamitron> when I was at uni, skint.... I had a comp running win98
[3:47] <piless_> hamitron: steam is the only DRM solution that actually gives you benefits
[3:47] <hamitron> and they stopped supporting win98, so cut me off from my steam games collection
[3:47] <piless_> hamitron: Like syncing your saves
[3:47] <piless_> hamitron: win98.. upgraded to 2000 man!
[3:47] <hamitron> oh, it offers some nice features, yeh
[3:47] <mkopack> Lol
[3:48] <hamitron> but you can imagine how pissed I was at the time
[3:48] * M0RBD suspects hamitron and piless_ will attemptd to port winme to the PI
[3:48] <M0RBD> -d
[3:48] <piless_> M0RBD: win ce
[3:48] <hamitron> :/
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[3:48] <hamitron> freedos
[3:48] <hamitron> ;)
[3:48] <piless_> I love having a complete install just a click away.. rather than having to get out a cd.. and go through the boring install process.
[3:49] <piless_> It just downloads and it's already set up for you
[3:49] <hamitron> piless_, not good with download limits
[3:49] <hamitron> and internet at only 300kbit
[3:49] <hamitron> :/
[3:49] <piless_> hamitron: True.. the offline mode is so shit
[3:49] <hamitron> also
[3:49] <hamitron> it annoys me when I have a half life 2 dvd, that should work on win98
[3:49] <hamitron> and now it doesn't
[3:49] <piless_> You just have to make sure you run the game once before you go into offline mode
[3:50] <hamitron> yeh, which you can't
[3:50] <hamitron> :(
[3:50] <piless_> hamitron: There's steamless versions of half-life 2 floating around on the internet
[3:50] <hamitron> ofc, but I paid for a retail copy
[3:50] <hamitron> and want it to work :/
[3:51] <hamitron> like, "stop selling me stuff that will be cut off when you decide"
[3:51] <hamitron> loads of new games are using online activation now
[3:51] <piless_> hamitron: Upgrade to 2000, it's better
[3:51] <hamitron> windows 2000?
[3:51] <piless_> yeah
[3:51] <hamitron> a few of the games need 9x
[3:52] <piless_> win2000 is still the same though
[3:52] <hamitron> I do have a win2k machine here actually
[3:52] <hamitron> win2k is nt
[3:52] <hamitron> ;/
[3:52] <piless_> oh
[3:52] <hamitron> winME is the 9x version
[3:53] <piless_> Apparently ... "Windows 98 (prior to 98 SE) doesn't contain any support for the xmm registers (so any programs compiled using SSE or SSE2 instructions cannot run at all), more than one processor, or more than about 384MB of RAM."
[3:53] <hamitron> I only pick winME over win98, because dell offer some enhanced drivers for it, and intel support newer chipset drivers for it
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[3:53] <piless_> ugh
[3:53] <piless_> winme is worse than 98se
[3:53] <hamitron> well, by win98, I mean 98se
[3:53] <hamitron> how is it worse?
[3:54] <M0RBD> anyway good night folks, going to do some stuff at Bletchly Park tomorrow...
[3:54] <hamitron> no real dos mode? fixed
[3:54] <hamitron> :)
[3:54] <hamitron> I should point out, I'm actually using a 98lite install of winME
[3:55] <piless_> I used to right a lite version of xp
[3:55] <piless_> *run
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[3:55] <hamitron> yeh, I do sometimes
[3:55] <hamitron> :)
[3:55] <hamitron> depends on the mood I'm in when I install
[3:56] <piless_> I stopped when win7 came out
[3:56] <piless_> win7 is pretty good
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[3:56] <hamitron> win7 lacks drivers for my network interfaces on my laptop :/
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[3:56] <piless_> got pci-express?
[3:57] <hamitron> also, it struggles on 512MB ram
[3:57] <hamitron> no
[3:57] <mkopack> Holy cow man, you need an upgrade!
[3:57] <hamitron> it has pc133 memory ;)
[3:58] <piless_> how can you possibly run a modern browser on 512mb of ram?
[3:58] <hamitron> I run it remotely
[3:58] <piless_> lmao
[3:58] <hamitron> it works ;/
[3:58] <hamitron> I may upgrade sometime
[3:59] <hamitron> just not seen a machine that does everything I want
[3:59] <hamitron> best I've seen is 1920x1200
[3:59] <hamitron> and they've been expensive
[3:59] <piless_> how can you run half-life 2 on their either?
[3:59] <hamitron> and rather large
[3:59] <hamitron> I don't
[4:00] <hamitron> not sure if I ever tried it on the laptop actually
[4:01] <hamitron> I generally play older games on it
[4:01] <hamitron> I prefer to run older games, but well
[4:02] <hamitron> if I want to play a top 3d game, may as well use my new gaming rig
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[4:03] <Soul_Est> hamitron: for 1920x1200 a ThinkPad W500 had that.
[4:04] <Soul_Est> hamitron: I tried getting one but this is Canada. I was dealing with a$$hole$.
[4:05] <hamitron> they cost a lot
[4:05] <hamitron> I saw a dell with it
[4:06] <hamitron> and really don't want a laptop larger than 15" tbh
[4:06] <hamitron> anyways
[4:06] <hamitron> I've got 2 laptops with similar spec now
[4:07] <hamitron> picked up a 2nd hand one on ebay for ?40
[4:07] <piless_> laptops make good servers
[4:07] <hamitron> p3 1.2ghz, 512mb memory and geforce4 cards
[4:07] <hamitron> ideal for 9x gaming on kitchen table with friends
[4:08] <hamitron> :)
[4:08] <piless_> they're compact and there's a screen and keyboard if something goes wrong
[4:08] <hamitron> I guess
[4:08] <hamitron> I prefer something with better cooling
[4:08] <hamitron> and space to fit proper hdd
[4:09] <piless_> some laptops have esata
[4:09] <hamitron> and realistically, never need a screen or keyboard
[4:09] <hamitron> ;)
[4:09] <hamitron> a tower can just sit in the corner on the floor
[4:10] <hamitron> under the bench
[4:16] <hamitron> better start thinking about sleep
[4:16] <cjbaird> As I reexperienced yesterday, a problem with laptops as servers, is a number of them have proprietary parts... like nvidia ethernet. :/
[4:17] <hamitron> :/
[4:17] <hamitron> performance is often very poor also
[4:17] <hamitron> can't beat a proper full size pc
[4:17] <hamitron> :)
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[4:21] <piless_> my laptop beats your 98 obviously
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[4:29] <passstab> sooo......
[4:30] <passstab> \./ there coming!! \./ :)
[4:30] <passstab> . .
[4:30] <passstab> V
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[4:30] * passstab kicks himself
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[4:34] <piless_> who
[4:34] <RITRedbeard> what
[4:35] <hamitron> nn :)
[4:35] <RITRedbeard> n^2?
[4:36] <hamitron> yeh ;/
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[4:37] <RITRedbeard> Did I miss something?
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[4:44] <piless_> RITRedbeard: passstab discovered porn
[4:45] <RITRedbeard> is nn some sort of slang introduced by BOL in 2004?
[4:45] <piless_> nn means no necrophilia
[4:51] <RITRedbeard> BOL being Britian On-Line, I guess.
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[5:04] <oldtopman> So...is whoever highlighted me still around?
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[5:15] * piless_ draws on oldtopman's face
[5:15] <oldtopman> piless_: D:
[5:16] <oldtopman> What did you need me for?
[5:16] <piless_> huh
[5:16] <oldtopman> nvm
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[5:20] <philh> oh, i see we have bidding wars over non-existent pis on ebay now, excellent
[5:21] <RITRedbeard> do we?
[5:21] <RITRedbeard> I bid a vial of my fingernail clippings
[5:21] <philh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-PI-modelB-/330717423800?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item4d004b68b8#ht_500wt_1156
[5:21] <piless_> philh: The one the little shit even gabe one to?
[5:21] <piless_> *eben
[5:21] <piless_> *gave
[5:21] <RITRedbeard> *gave
[5:21] <RITRedbeard> lol
[5:22] <philh> piless_, well, they're all using ripped off photos of beta boards, but i guess they may be genuine but lazy and didn't feel like photographing the real thing, seems unlikely, though
[5:22] <RITRedbeard> yeah who is jonnopeggy and why would they have one?
[5:22] <philh> ok, so i don't know what the finished board looks like, but these look very familiar
[5:23] <piless_> ugh, most of the bids are by the one guy
[5:23] <philh> probably automatic
[5:23] <piless_> philh: production boards have a yellow composite connector and a black audio out
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[5:23] <philh> piless_, ah, so the one with RS stickers i saw was right
[5:24] <philh> someone should probably report the listings for copyright violation at the very least
[5:24] <piless_> why
[5:24] <piless_> that's not how copyright works
[5:24] <piless_> you don't know that they're not selling the geniune product.
[5:25] <piless_> There's nothing illegal with reselling
[5:25] <philh> we do know that they're probably using photos without permission
[5:25] <RITRedbeard> should probably just track them down and throw them in the gulags
[5:25] <philh> or that
[5:26] <philh> infact, yes, that, let's do that, i'm bored
[5:26] <piless_> philh: You don't know that. The foundation would have most likely attached that image with a publically available press release
[5:26] <RITRedbeard> does france still use their Bastille?
[5:26] <RITRedbeard> we should lock up offenders in there
[5:26] <SimonT> Has anyone heard anything from ExportFarnell yet?
[5:28] <piless_> Nope, heard nothing from farnell uk either
[5:29] <philh> are they supposed to have been sent out now?
[5:29] <RITRedbeard> last estimate was for august I thought?
[5:30] <piless_> RITRedbeard: It got moved to january
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[9:47] <piless_> OI
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[9:48] <piless> I said OI
[9:50] <piless> God
[9:50] <piless> I am I deaf?
[9:50] <piless> Is this what it's like?
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[9:50] <piless> wtf
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[9:58] <haltdef_> lol abed
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[10:23] <deafanon> piless: I'm deaf, and I can tell you it's not like this
[10:23] <deafanon> lol
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[10:26] <deafanon> oh, I so hope my rPi arrives nthis week
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[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I think we all do
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> apart from the jerks who have theirs already
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[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> *nice people whom I may ask to test things for me
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[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> though I don't think I'll be getting mine this month
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[10:43] <deafanon> My $170 Adafruit order is arriving on Tuesday, I'm getting a el-cheapo 2nd hand HTC Desire on Weds so if the rPi also arrived this week, I'd well and truly be in geek heaven
[10:43] <deafanon> my wife & kids won't see me for a long time, lol
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh, what's the adafruit order?
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[10:45] <Hopsy> The best place to hide a dead body, is page 2 of Google search results
[10:47] <deafanon> 4 different kits & shitloads of bits and pieces for other projects I want to do inc. a remote controllable 14 laser modules death star in a tennis ball which can do audio driven light shows etc
[10:47] <ShiftPlusOne> And the best place to find one... if you're into that sort of thing.
[10:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[10:49] <deafanon> http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-Ball/
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[10:49] <deafanon> if you watch the video on that page, about 3/4 of the way through it shows the ball in action & it is pretty awesome (imho)
[10:49] <deafanon> would love to make 3 of them & juggle with them, heh
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[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I like your goals in life
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[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> are people compiling packages for distribution compiling with just arm926 support or the arm1136 instruction set?
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[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, btw, if you didn't get past the "Uncompressing Linux...Uncompressing Linux...Uncompressing Linux..." thing ages ago, that's because there was a mismatch between the cpu you selected in qemu and what you selected when compiling the kernel. Though that was last year... I just ran into the problem myself and the only thing google returned was the IRC chatlog when you were complaining about it.
[12:41] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: well arm1176 is the rpi cpu
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah typo
[12:43] <friggle> the qt folks saw good gains compiling for arm1176 with -mfloat-abi=softfp. The CodeSourcery toolchain by default is just going to spit out armv4t+ packages without floating point
[12:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I ask because people using qemu don't seem to be patching the kernel for versatile arm1176 support and are just running with '-cpu arm926'... which I imagine would break their ability to run pi optimized binaries.
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[12:46] <friggle> does ukscone's tut not include the kernel patch?
[12:46] <Tachyon`> anyone had their pi yet?
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think he has any kernel tutorials
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> My original tutorial, which does have the patch is copied with the patch part edited out.
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, yeah a few people from here have got theirs (not me)... so yeah, they're out there.
[12:49] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: well yes, I suppose people using system-mode qemu really should be using arm1176 for maximum compatibility with pi binaries. I'm sure as more pi binaries are released it's a problem that will fix itself ;)
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I am modifying the kernel for the github kernel version right now, so hopefuly that will make things easier for people.
[12:51] <friggle> I don't see a major advantage in using github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[12:51] <friggle> it's not like qemu emulates any of the pi peripherals - the best you can do is emulate a similar arm1176 device
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> so that you can compile a qemu kernel and a pi kernel from the same source
[12:52] <friggle> you can do that already surely?
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> about to test it once I am done with the mods
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see why it wouldn't work, the patch it quite simple.
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> *is
[12:54] <friggle> yeah, it should work no problem
[12:55] <friggle> it just won't give any advantage over grabbing kernel 3.1.9 and compiling that, as I don't think there are any kernel changes outside of the rpi platform stuff which the qemu build won't include anyway
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> the current patch is for 3.0.4 anyway
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> which fails to patch 3.1.9
[12:56] <friggle> right. This is just the trivial Kconfig patch right?
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> and done... about to compile and see if it breaks anything
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[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> would be great if you could run the actual raspberry pi kernel in qemu, but that would require pci support (and whatever other drivers the bcm platform disables) and getting rid of the first32k thing.
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe they're eventually make a proper raspberry pi module for qemu which will emulate all the hardware
[13:00] <friggle> you can't really run arm kernels on multiple devices. Maybe with device tree support you could have the same kernel run on versatilepb and rpi
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[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> what is the device tree support thing anyway? saw it in config a few times today and was wondering what the hell it means
[13:01] <friggle> you can describe the hardware in the system in a separate file, so you could run the same arm kernel on multiple devices
[13:01] <friggle> unlike x86, you can't really do that.
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[13:02] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, thanks
[13:03] <friggle> this is a good summary http://lwn.net/Articles/414016/
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks, I'll give it a skim later.
[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, qemu boots the 1176 github kernel just fine.
[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> and boots the official images just fine =)
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[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, I updated qemu (not using linaro) and am getting the same crash you were getting. =/ I think SDL might be irrelevant there.
[13:15] <friggle> there's an issue in latest git qemu? Is there a big report?
[13:16] <friggle> I might suggest a regression test
[13:16] <friggle> they're entering soft freeze for 1.1 soon, and will be keen to fix any reported regressions
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[13:16] <ShiftPlusOne> It might be something I did, still testing
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[14:03] <Hexxeh> ahh
[14:03] <Hexxeh> figured out why my module for my wifi loaded yesterday but the device didn't register or work
[14:03] <Hexxeh> missing firmware :)
[14:07] <Hexxeh> it's just stuck me how useful it'd be if the kernel modules were included on the boot partition
[14:07] <Hexxeh> that way if you're testing a new rootfs
[14:07] <Hexxeh> you can boot the emergency kernel, and just copy them over
[14:07] <friggle> I think we did used to have them there
[14:08] <Hexxeh> they're not exactly big, iirc there's plenty of space left on that partition
[14:08] <friggle> yeah, but is it really that handy? when you're making your new rootfs you're going to copy the kernel modules + the broadcom libs. I don't see why you should do that on-device
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[14:09] <Hexxeh> well i work on a mac, which can't mount ext3
[14:09] <Hexxeh> so it's a bit of a pain
[14:09] <Hexxeh> probably a niche case i guess
[14:09] <friggle> that does suck
[14:09] <Hexxeh> the chromeos build doesn't let you easily add stuff to the finished image
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[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, yup, just checked and it's the same crash. Not really familiar with git, how do you roll back to a previous version?
[14:11] <friggle> git checkout whatever
[14:11] <friggle> where whatever is either a tag name or a commit id
[14:11] <friggle> once you've got a version that is known working, you'll want to use git bisect to help do a binary search to find the breaking commit
[14:11] <friggle> this describes how to do it in the context of the wine project http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[14:19] <cjbaird> "Hi! I'm git! I'm here to make to hate source version control!" :p
[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I liked svn
[14:20] <friggle> I've never had a problem with git
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> git commands don't stick in my head like svn did
[14:21] <Hexxeh> git is awesome
[14:21] <friggle> and love having the full history locally to browse with the tool of my choice
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> once you're used to it, I am sure it's great
[14:22] <cjbaird> It's like every year there's a new VC tool that a foss projects forces you to use.. I can never remember what their commands are because rcs/cvs/hg/git/bzr/sdf/sd/fgsdfg/sd/gfsd/sd/sd/fg/dsf/gsdf/sdf/ff/gd/fd can't all find in the one brain.. :/
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, and since you're an expert, how do I check what version I had before I did pull --rebase?
[14:22] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: don't know I'm afraid :)
[14:23] <cjbaird> aegis was another I had to waste ~4 hours recently trying to get working just to pull down the source..
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, think I found it in .git/logs/HEAD
[14:24] <joink> ShiftPlusOne: git reflog and checkout the right one
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[14:30] <flaushy> hmm i love git :)
[14:30] <flaushy> most problems we have is when ppl try to use it like svn
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> reverted to the old version of qemu and no crash... progress
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> how do I view all the different versions between 33cf629 and da12872? I hope it's not 33cf62a, 33cf62b, 33cf62c..... O_o
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[14:42] <friggle> git log 33cf629..da12872
[14:43] <Dagger2> or `gitk 33cf629..da12872` if you prefer a GUI
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> wow... a lot... I guess halfway would be a starting point
[14:44] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: git bisect does that for you
[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ah I didn't quite get what bisect did... I guess I should read that article fully
[14:46] <friggle> it just helps you perform a binary search, so just as you propose it would start in the middle
[14:46] <cjbaird> The '10 minutes with Google just to find out how to do something simple' is a problem I have with git too..
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[14:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah this is working great so far... feels promising
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> How many Pis were given out at that school?
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[21:08] <meeyay> i <3 rbpi
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[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just assume the latest qemu package has arm1176 support then
[21:11] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: anything from git or sinc about jan doees
[21:11] <ukscone> most from thee rpos are older and pre-1.0 so no
[21:12] <ukscone> fricking e key
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, I was to write a "Emulating Raspberry Pi the easy way" article with just an "apt-get", a compiled kernel and a command to run it.
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[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ... I was to write.... english fail
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> so I guess there's no way around having to compile your own qemu yet?
[21:13] <ukscone> not really but check the repos as i haven't checked in a couple of months
[21:13] <ukscone> but it was still 0.9.8 then iirc
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> damn
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[21:16] <ukscone> in the vm debian6 it's 0.12.5 so it might have arm1176 in it
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[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just link to the compiling qemu tutorial
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> and assume it's easy for beginners
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[21:19] <ukscone> yup the changelog for 0.12.5 is march 2011 so no 1176 in it
[21:19] <ukscone> as it didn't start appearing until july andmake it to stable until this year
[21:22] <ukscone> yeah as long as they have the requirements it's P.O.P. could almost be scripted
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[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but different distros have different require packages and then x64 needs extra packages.... so I can't think of any one size fits all way to guide people
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[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> just skimmed through the original tutorial... looks like it's still valid and quite good if I may say so myself
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[21:28] <ukscone> :)
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[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that's right... I think I can teach people to ./configure; make; make install; in an overcomplicated waffley way
[21:30] <ukscone> what about the options for configure :) why build ppc as well as pi? and where to put it by using prefix and maybe sound support :).....
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I tell people to read ./configure --help and give my example
[21:34] <ukscone> :)
[21:35] <ReggieUK> you learnt that from me!
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[21:35] <ReggieUK> it's the configure equivalent to 'just google it'
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[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I learned to do that MYSELF from you, but the tutorial was written long before that
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> :)
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[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> does wordpress save previous versions of articles to be able to undo changes?
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[21:59] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: not normally
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> good thing I don't write anything useful then
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[22:00] <zgreg> wordpress is a POS overall
[22:01] <zgreg> it's only popular because of the nice web interface
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[22:01] <ShiftPlusOne> and easy to use for those who have no idea how to use things
[22:02] <zgreg> yeah, and there's lots of plugins for various things
[22:02] <_av500_> get old articles from archive.org
[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I just went with it since I remember joomla and durpal or whatever they're called being a massive pain
[22:02] <zgreg> on the other hand, security is terrible
[22:02] <zgreg> there have been lots and lots of big security flaws in wordpress
[22:03] <zgreg> PHP is probably partially guilty :)
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Which only means lots of security flaws have been fixed =D
[22:03] <zgreg> PHP makes it very easy to write super crappy code
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[22:04] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: and very likely there are still many issues hidden in the software
[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne> as long as they're hidden, that's fine
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[22:18] <mkopack> Ok, anyone else's skin crawl while watching Liam's latest video when he calls it an "ethernet" jack (rather than pronouncing it EEEEthernet)
[22:18] <mkopack> Like the people who insist on pronouncing GIF files as "Jiff" ARGH
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> how does he pronounce it?
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[22:19] <markus> please explain :) i don't get it
[22:19] <mkopack> he uses a short e at the start, not a long e
[22:19] <mkopack> like he's saying "eh"
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> personally, the one that annoys me is "oo-bun-too"
[22:19] <oldtopman> My skin crawls when people insist on spelling out things with common pronunciations, like when people call .gif files "G EYE EFF"
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guilty of spelling out GUI, but only because I don't like 'gooey'
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and mysql .... and qt for that matter
[22:21] <markus> I hate it when people miss pronounce croissant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a--_a-WFDuU
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> rather I say 'my S Q L', instead of "my sequel"
[22:21] <Thorn_> i say S Q L too
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[22:21] <Thorn_> and considering i do sql academy, so does everyone else i know :)
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I am saying 'crosage-n-t' from now on
[22:22] <Thorn_> cross-ant
[22:22] <Thorn_> sometimes fags say quass-onn
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLUB885Pun0
[22:24] <markus> ShiftPlusOne: i love his videos :)
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> 174 videos.... looks like I have my work cut out for the next few hours
[22:25] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/battery-life
[22:25] <zgreg> sigh
[22:26] <esotera> how do people say GNU?
[22:26] <markus> soft g
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[22:26] <esotera> I always have to say the individual letters
[22:26] <markus> hard g?
[22:26] <markus> :D i dunno
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> gnu... like one word 'gnoo'
[22:27] <markus> yes but the guy making promo videos for gnome 3 did not say it like thtat
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> what would 'the guy making promo videos for gnome 3' know?
[22:28] <Dagger2> it is apparently meant to be a hard g, but I have yet to meet anybody that pronounced it like that other than RMS
[22:28] <markus> He's one of the hundreds who worked on gnome 3
[22:28] <markus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSuRy7TRHPc
[22:28] <markus> but why doesn't he in the video above pronounce it with a hard g?
[22:29] <markus> assuming your irc client have a history which goes upwards
[22:29] <markus> *has
[22:30] * IT_Sean mispronunsticates words just to be irritating
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[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't hear GNU in that video
[22:31] <markus> that's right.. sorry.
[22:31] <markus> he said "gnome". isn't that supposed to be a hard g as well... or is it simply gnome?
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> hard as in j?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> innit pronounced "nome" ?
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah it's soft in all cases there.... gnome, GNU, gif...
[22:32] <markus> hard as if you hade pronounced the imaginary animal groccodile
[22:32] <Henchman21> and christ is pronounced chugh-rist
[22:33] <Henchman21> chugh-emistry
[22:33] <IT_Sean> "feeeeeert"
[22:33] <cjbaird> I tend to say it with a hard g, since the G is from the hard-g GNU
[22:33] <mkopack> No, Gnews is good gnaws with gary gnu
[22:33] <markus> cjbaird: that's what i thought as well until i heard that guy
[22:33] <IT_Sean> I pronounce it w/ a soft G. As you would pronounce 'lawn gnome'
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[22:34] <markus> this is important...
[22:35] <cjbaird> And I say GIF has in G-raphics. :)
[22:35] <Henchman21> vag-Gi-nome
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[22:36] <mkopack> BRB??? Gotta make a caffeine run to the gas station??? Getting headache
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[22:36] <Henchman21> compile that on a pi
[22:36] <IT_Sean> !w
[22:36] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Sun Apr 15 23:53:00 2012. Temp 74??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 52%, Later 73??F - 59??F. Condition: Showers.
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[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne> lol... just noticed the startcraft link someone posted
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[22:42] <markus> what does he mean? the first part "I am going to try to use the pi for a table" ??
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> tablet
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing
[22:43] <Henchman21> barbie computer
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[22:45] <Henchman21> tablets arent to expensive these days why no buy a purpose built one?
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[22:45] <Henchman21> everyone stop being stupid
[22:45] <IT_Sean> A raspi tablet is bound to be klunky & underpowered for actual use
[22:46] <Henchman21> its not funny anymore
[22:46] <Henchman21> got old 2 months ago
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> as far as I am concerned all tablets are clunky and underpowered with iPad being the one exception for now
[22:47] * IT_Sean loves both his iPad and his ThinkPad X220 convertable tablet
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> wouldn't call the X220 a tablet though
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne, it's not the same sort of tablet as the iPad, but, it ca be folded into tablet form, and it does have a multitouch / stylus display
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, but it's not what I'd imagine most people consider to be a modern tablet
[22:51] <zgreg> the asus transformer is nice
[22:51] <IT_Sean> i prefer the X220t to the asus transformer.
[22:52] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/pi-case
[22:52] <zgreg> lol
[22:53] <zgreg> buy $35 computer, put it into $50 case
[22:53] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:53] <zgreg> the absolute beginners forum will be a funny read next week
[22:53] <IT_Sean> I don't think he realises how SMALL the raspi is
[22:54] <canton7> and that it doesn't require ultra cooling...
[22:55] <Henchman21> sure its not a troll?
[22:55] <zgreg> yes
[22:55] <Henchman21> yoyo98... does that mean he was born in 98?
[22:56] <zgreg> yeah, maybe this guys is really just 14 years old
[22:56] <zgreg> -s
[22:56] <hamitron> maybe just a win98 fan
[22:57] <hamitron> ;)
[22:57] <Henchman21> no such thing exists
[22:57] <hamitron> I like 9x ;/
[22:57] <hamitron> brings back good memories
[22:57] <hamitron> some bad ones too ofc
[22:57] <hamitron> ;/
[22:57] <Henchman21> wasted hours of solitare
[22:57] * IT_Sean posted a hopefully slightly helpul reply
[22:58] <hamitron> oh, win9x was the first PC OS to have 3d games
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[22:58] <hamitron> :)
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[22:58] <hamitron> well, to any degree
[22:59] <hamitron> I must have wasted 60 hours per week on it, in its day
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Dos.
[22:59] <zleap> what about doom under dos
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[22:59] <hamitron> doom wasn't 3d
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> that
[22:59] <hamitron> :/
[22:59] <IT_Sean> the beginners forum is going to be hell.
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Doom II
[22:59] <IT_Sean> And i am NOT looking forward to the influx of silly noobs here :p
[23:00] <hamitron> and tbh, whilst there was 3d in dos..... a lot more games are available that ran on win9x
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Good thing about noobs is that they don't like IRC too much
[23:00] <hamitron> IT_Sean, haven't I prepared you enough? ;)
[23:00] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:00] * khildin (~khildin@ip-83-134-215-95.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Quit: I'm gone, bye bye)
[23:01] <IT_Sean> New rule. Whenever a noob breaks a channel rule, we kick both the noob and hamitron! :p
[23:01] <hamitron> noes :/
[23:02] <IT_Sean> Relax... i'm just joking
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[23:02] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: But everyone ran them in DOS, as they were faster
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[23:02] <IT_Sean> DOS = Dusty Old Stuff
[23:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[23:03] <hamitron> I remember a few I had to run in DOS, to use my voodoo2 cards
[23:03] <Henchman21> and matrox mystique
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[23:04] <Henchman21> ah the birth of video accelerator cards
[23:04] <hamitron> but it wasn't the games that old that I only remember
[23:04] <hamitron> C&C Red Alert was better in win95
[23:04] <hamitron> decent resolution
[23:04] <hamitron> Westwood Chat
[23:05] * freddow (~fred@host-92-7-85-125.as43234.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:05] <hamitron> I actually lack Matrox cards from my collection :/
[23:05] * hamitron sniffles
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[23:06] <mkopack> Ahhh???. Code Red Mt. Dew how I love you....
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[23:07] <Henchman21> voltage is better
[23:07] <hotwings> mmm mkopack, your food choices are awesome
[23:07] <IT_Sean> eeeew
[23:08] <IT_Sean> MtDew = distilled & carbonated squirrel urine
[23:08] <mkopack> I have a couple chicken breasts in the crock pot simmering in beer???. will drain off the beer soon and shread the chicken up and add BBQ sauce for another simmer...
[23:08] <mkopack> And watching the Indycar race while I work on my school work
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[23:10] <ukscone> i'm out of date these days dual/quad core or core i5 better these days?
[23:11] <hamitron> depends what you want to do
[23:11] <haltdef_> that's like asking if fruit is better than oranges
[23:12] <hamitron> and i5 comes in both dual and quad core ;)
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[23:12] <mkopack> yeah, intel's chip lineup is so damn confusing now???
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[23:13] <hamitron> mind you, the AMD naming for their APU sucks too
[23:13] * IT_Sean is rocking the quad core i5 in his laptop
[23:14] <hamitron> my gaming rig has 3.2ghz (dual) core i3
[23:14] <ukscone> well the specs don't say how many cores
[23:14] <hamitron> best bet is to google the model number, to find it on the intel webby
[23:14] <mkopack> i3?!?!? Why did you go with the celeron of the core series?
[23:14] <ukscone> looking on qvc & hsn
[23:14] <hamitron> mkopack, wtf? i3 kicks arse
[23:14] <mkopack> Not compared to an i5 or i7!
[23:14] <hamitron> I don't agree
[23:15] <mkopack> ?!?!
[23:15] <IT_Sean> O.o
[23:15] <hamitron> the first gen i5 had a slow clock
[23:15] <ukscone> decided to go desktop for my new 'puter not sure what to get -- can spend upto 700 of the wifes money
[23:16] <hamitron> the 4 core i5 of the first gen had no on chip gpu either
[23:16] <hamitron> ;)
[23:16] <Henchman21> i'd look for refurbed ones to soup up
[23:16] <ukscone> http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E257120.desc.ZT-Desktop-PC-with-Core-i5-12GB-RAM-2TB-HD-1GB-Graphics this looks nice and easy pay but who knows
[23:16] <Henchman21> lul gvc
[23:16] <Henchman21> qvc*
[23:16] <ukscone> wife has an account :)
[23:16] <Henchman21> genuine craponite earings
[23:17] <ukscone> not bought a new computer since 86
[23:17] <ukscone> except this laptop i got in 2008
[23:17] <ukscone> but i didn't pay for it
[23:17] <hamitron> I prefer to go for the lower spec machines, and upgrade more often
[23:17] <ukscone> it was a freebie for work
[23:17] <hamitron> cheaper, and can get latest tech
[23:17] <hamitron> :)
[23:19] <Henchman21> watch the southpark cash for gold episode
[23:19] <Henchman21> its priceless
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[23:20] <Henchman21> http://allsp.ch/episodes.php?season=16
[23:21] <mkopack> Hench: LOL yes it is!
[23:21] <mkopack> Cartman @ the jewelry store run by the asian lady
[23:21] <mkopack> LOL
[23:21] <mkopack> And the end was classic!
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[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/ if anyone is interested
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[23:36] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: well point 5 will be ignored :)
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> as always
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[23:43] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: that krnel have fuse compiled in?
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[23:43] <ukscone> k
[23:44] <ukscone> might use it in a bit aftr i finish lusting after desktops
[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> let me know if anything is missing
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