#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-04-16

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[0:56] <SimonT> Ok it's working
[0:56] <SimonT> I think referencing chrome:// works but it had cached a previous CSS file that wasn't working..
[0:56] <SimonT> I renamed the file and it seems to be working
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[0:57] <SimonT> ShiftPlusOne: thanks :)
[0:57] <SimonT> wtf i'm in the wrong channel
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah.... I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're most welcome. =D
[0:59] <SimonT> haha i was trying to hide the MODE messages from PiBot with CSS for Chatzilla
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[1:03] <SimonT> on another note.. has anyone here placed an order through Export Farnell? If so have you heard anything about your order?
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[2:00] <mkopack> SimonT: They said they should have SOME sort of update sometime this week???
[2:00] <mkopack> Just sit tight
[2:01] <mkopack> Both RS+Farnell are expecting their first own production run boards to arrive for distribution this week, as well as the remaining 8000 from the RPF's initial 10k batch...
[2:09] <zgreg> next week? holy shit
[2:09] <zgreg> err, or even this week
[2:09] <zgreg> I expected the next big shipments in a few weeks
[2:09] <bikcmp> does anyone else think that the launch was horridly organized?
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[2:09] <zgreg> no, it was definitely horrid
[2:10] <zgreg> no need to think about it :)
[2:10] <ShiftPlusOne> seemed rushed and last minute but better than another indefinite delay
[2:11] <zgreg> I'll give farnell a call tomorrow
[2:11] <zgreg> I still have the expected delivery date in august...
[2:12] <bikcmp> zgreg: lol
[2:12] <bikcmp> fail
[2:12] <bikcmp> tbh they shouldn't have started taking orders until they had stock.
[2:12] <bikcmp> like, actual stock ready.
[2:14] <zgreg> mkopack: what is your source on this?
[2:14] <mkopack> Liz's comment in here http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/am-i-missing-something/page-3
[2:14] <mkopack> Sorry, page 2
[2:15] <mkopack> Althoguh I'm utterly convinced that Farnell doesn't have a F'ing clue.
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[2:16] <oldtopman> The know better than RS, which won't sell them.
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[2:17] <mkopack> give it a week.. they've only JUST started getting stock...
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[2:17] <mkopack> The remaining 8000 of the initial 10K from the RPF arrive at RS+Farnell this week
[2:17] <mkopack> so THOSE will def go out the door next week...
[2:18] <mkopack> After that, it's just a matter of the 2 getting their own production runs in??? Sounds like RS is getting theirs first??? or at least they've given the most info on when they're expecting production stock...
[2:18] <oldtopman> Sounds like mid-may is when mine will ship :/
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[2:19] <mkopack> the production size for both is pretty large from what Liz indicated, so the backlog should clear quickly (again, her words)
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[2:22] <zgreg> mkopack: oh, okay... so I misunderstood that
[2:22] <mkopack> What about it?
[2:22] <mkopack> Which part?
[2:22] <zgreg> or well, you said rs/farnell's first production run will be ready next week
[2:23] <mkopack> Well, that's what liz initially indicated, but I hadn't seen her post in page 3 until just now...
[2:23] <zgreg> but it's not, it's only the remaining 8000 pis of the first run, that are ready
[2:23] <mkopack> Sounds like that's NOT the case (at least for Farnell)
[2:24] <mkopack> I think I saw the part about RS receiving their initial ones from their production run in another thread??? I'd have to hunt for it though
[2:24] <hamitron> surely it is ok to allow people to pre-order?
[2:24] <zgreg> well, I can't imagine rs/farnell started production before the EMC testing was done
[2:25] <zgreg> so, properly they've just now started with actual production
[2:26] <zgreg> and it'll take a few weeks for sure, until the second run is ready for shipment
[2:26] <mkopack> They MIGHT have gone ahead and started after that initial Test that Eben had run where they found the issue with the HDMI jack power output - it might have been close enough that gave RS+Farnell confidence that it would pass and to go for it??? But who knows??? Even so, testing finished a week ago, so they might have gone full bore this past week, ship out the remaining 8000 this week, and get the first production ones to ship the
[2:26] <mkopack> following week
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[2:28] <zgreg> I don't think they'd just go for it and risk a shitload of money :D
[2:28] <zgreg> if liz is right and they're going to produce huge amounts of pis, they wouldn't risk anything
[2:29] <hamitron> couldn't they probably sell them anyway, as "faulty"? ;)
[2:30] <zgreg> not in volume, I guess
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[2:33] <mkopack> Well, regardless, I think we're going to start seeing them come in droves
[2:33] <mkopack> over the next 2 weeks or so
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[2:44] <IT_Sean> :.
[2:44] <mkopack> wb sean
[2:44] <IT_Sean> tx
[2:47] <Matt> evenin mister sean
[2:48] <IT_Sean> ev'n mr matt
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[2:55] <mkopack> Just glad to see that they're starting to go out the door??? The wait is nearly over (for all of us)
[2:56] <IT_Sean> aye
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[3:13] * Matt pours himself a glass of glenfiddich snow phoenix
[3:14] * IT_Sean read that as "glittering snow pen*s" :/
[3:16] * Matt hands IT_Sean a glass
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[3:16] <Matt> enjoy :)
[3:17] <IT_Sean> eeeeew
[3:17] * IT_Sean does NOT want a glass of your sparkling frozen wank fluid
[3:18] <Matt> pff
[3:19] <Matt> well if you don't want a rather nice scotch, that's your loss
[3:19] <IT_Sean> I don't really dig scotch, tnh
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[3:35] <aditsu> hai
[3:35] <aditsu> can haz pi?
[3:35] <aditsu> kthx
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[4:49] <piless_> is it out yet?
[4:56] <bikcmp> piless_: yes
[4:56] <bikcmp> nah
[4:56] <bikcmp> lol
[4:56] <piless_> got my hopes up you bastars
[4:56] <piless_> *bastard
[4:56] <bikcmp> piless_: good!
[4:56] <bikcmp> i wanted to too
[5:00] <passstab> bikcmp that not your MO
[5:00] <passstab> you ok ?
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[5:47] <piless> welcome back mister ping timeout
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[5:50] <ukscone> anyone got any opinion on these specs? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iBuyPower+-+Gamer+Power+Desktop+-+8GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive/4894185.p?id=1218573499947&skuId=4894185
[5:52] <piless> ukscone: Got the time to build one yourself?
[5:52] <ukscone> piless: yes
[5:52] <piless> ukscone: Because you'd save a lot of money instead of buying a prebuilt gaming desktop
[5:52] <ukscone> it's not for gaming
[5:52] <piless> ukscone: Yes but it's marketed as a gaming pc
[5:53] <ukscone> and i need it to have win7 or 8 so buying prebuilt is chrapr
[5:53] <ukscone> piless: need the most ram i can get and fastest hd and cpu i can get for btw 500 and 600 bucks but has to have windohs
[5:54] <piless> ukscone: An i7 would be better if you're using it for compiling
[5:54] <ukscone> buying my own windows would take away from thee hw i could get
[5:54] <piless> ukscone: Yeah but it's not like they're giving you a free copy of windows, it's just added onto the price.
[5:54] <ukscone> piless: at a cheapr price than retail
[5:55] <piless> ukscone: Possibly, I don't know how much microsoft sells windows to OEMs for.
[5:56] * RITRedbeard blinks
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> student advantage program?
[5:56] <piless> its only got 100mbit ethernet if that's a longterm concern for you
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> w7pro for $60
[5:56] <ukscone> building my own is no problem, been doing it for 25 years but its prices that are the limiting factor
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> or MSNDAA if you go to any university worth its salt
[5:57] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: not been in college for 25 years :)
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> building is cheaper than pre-built in the realm of parts you're talking about
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[5:58] <ukscone> and kids uni isn't either as they are law enforcement uni not liberal arts or anything useful
[5:58] <piless> It's only got the one available pci express
[5:58] <piless> so you're limited if you want to add e-sata etc down the line
[5:59] <ukscone> also the problem is extracting money from wife. she'll go for 600 if it's from a store if i build it then i'll have to beg
[5:59] <RITRedbeard> divorce
[5:59] <piless> ukscone: Ugh, so even if you print of a shopping list of every single part she still insists on buying it as a whole?
[5:59] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: i'm a kept man so i'd need to have a stahs hidden away before i could do that
[6:00] <ukscone> piless: pretty much, she really wants me to get it from qvc as they do it over 5 months
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> or grow a pair, she has probably
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> uhhh
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> blow your brains out before you get a machine from QVC
[6:00] <piless> ukscone: I agree with RITRedbeard, that doesn't make any sense. You should a bit pussy whipped.
[6:00] <ukscone> if i had finished the job i neeed it for i wouldn't need hr to buy it for me
[6:00] <piless> *sound
[6:01] <piless> ukscone: Oh wait.. it's her money?
[6:01] <ukscone> piless: she earns the money so she says what goes
[6:01] <piless> ukscone: Ahh in that case
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> then don't build anything
[6:01] <ukscone> when i earn the moneey i get a say in the larger outlays
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> don't buy anything, either
[6:02] <RITRedbeard> that's kinda retarded
[6:02] <ukscone> piless: i do a few contracts during the year and still have some small amounts coming in from stuff i wrote in the 80s but since the yanks changed the law on me i can do my real job any more
[6:02] <piless> ukscone: the law?
[6:03] <ukscone> if you have worked for a foreign governement agency you can't work for a usa gov agency
[6:03] <ukscone> i used to do work for the usda, doe and dod
[6:04] <ukscone> but i had worked for various uk gov agencies so can't get clearance any more
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[6:04] <RITRedbeard> regardless, sounds like she is being pedantic and difficult for absolutely no reason
[6:04] <piless> ukscone: That looks pretty good actually. I'm looking on newegg and all the cheap ones are either out-dated shite or amd
[6:04] <shirro_> kind of strange how low an opinion the us has of its closest allies
[6:05] <ukscone> probably didn't help that i did a few jobs for german and french govs too
[6:05] <piless> ukscone: You can't give blood either
[6:05] <ukscone> it was ok until 94 then they changed the law
[6:05] <RITRedbeard> i'd start just hiding cash in the form of some sort of unttraceable investments like bonds or precious metals while I spend the next decade preparing for divorce
[6:05] <ukscone> piless: yeah no blood either as i was in the uk in 86
[6:06] <piless> If you spent more than 3 months in the uk between the 70's and the mid 90's then you can't give blood in america because of the human form of mad cow's disease
[6:06] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: who says i haven't been but only for the last 8 years so not quite got enough
[6:06] <ukscone> why do they call it pms? because mad cow disease was already tkeen
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> ukscone, good for you
[6:07] <piless> ukscone: What about a mini-itx?
[6:07] <RITRedbeard> glad to hear that
[6:07] <ukscone> i was thinking 50 raspi's networked together but the no windows is a killer
[6:08] <ukscone> wow dells on dell's site are expensive
[6:08] <piless> ukscone: Especially considering brambles are complete shit value for money
[6:08] <piless> ukscone: You can't buy dells outside dells site
[6:09] <RITRedbeard> what are you looking for?
[6:09] <piless> at least that's what the tv ads 10 years ago said
[6:09] <piless> RITRedbeard: Cheap pre-built pc
[6:09] <RITRedbeard> check IBM refurb
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[6:09] <piless> do ibm still make machines?
[6:10] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: as much ram, hd as poss the best cpu i can get (multicore) and win7 for between 500 and 600 bucks maybe upto 700
[6:10] <RITRedbeard> yes
[6:10] <piless> They sold the thinkpad line to leveno
[6:10] <ukscone> 8gb ram is minimum
[6:10] <RITRedbeard> there are power based workstations
[6:10] <piless> ukscone: Is pirating windows an option?
[6:10] <RITRedbeard> and mainframes
[6:10] <ukscone> piless: no
[6:11] <RITRedbeard> http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840&langId=-1&storeId=1&categoryId=2576396
[6:11] <ukscone> RITRedbeard: not buying laptops any more. don't beelieve in them
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[6:12] <piless> ukscone: Laptops are great if you can afford to buy a new one every 4 years
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[6:12] <ukscone> piless: i can't and this one is dying, i prefer desktops anyway
[6:12] <ukscone> always did
[6:12] <piless> I like mobility
[6:12] <ukscone> i don't go anywhere
[6:12] <piless> Like being about the browse internet on the sofa
[6:13] <piless> *able
[6:13] <RITRedbeard> The T series never dies.
[6:13] <ukscone> i am in bed atm and all the time :)
[6:13] <piless> ukscone: You bring your desktop into bed?! :D
[6:13] <piless> I'm in bed at the moment with my laptop :P
[6:14] <piless> Wating for my GoT download to finish
[6:14] <ukscone> i have setup a new work area that'll force me out of bed
[6:14] <ukscone> the laptop will stay here for bed work
[6:14] <ukscone> but for real work i'll have to get out of bed and cross te room to my office area
[6:15] <ukscone> better for my back for a start and will forcee me out of my doldrums
[6:15] <piless> ukscone: That one you already had looked fine. I couldn't find any better on newegg. You will be able to build one for cheaper, but like you said, it's your wifes money, it's her say.
[6:15] <ukscone> might even get dressed
[6:16] <ukscone> i'll wander up to china town tomorrow or tuesday and see what's in the stores there
[6:16] <ukscone> but it's the cpu naming that i am out of date with
[6:17] <ukscone> not had a new cpu for years and is i5 better than quad core amd a8?
[6:17] <ukscone> or i3 better than amd turionx2
[6:17] <ukscone> who kmows these days
[6:18] <SpeedEvil> I've just upgraded to core2duo
[6:18] <piless> ukscone: Not neccessarily, you'll have to look up some benchmarks, I just know that when it comes to clockspeed the intel always outshines by quite a bit.. So like a 3.2ghz amd would be like a 2.6ghz intel
[6:18] <RITRedbeard> anandtech bench
[6:18] <piless> SpeedEvil: Ugh, I'm on a core2duo at the moment and hate it
[6:19] <piless> at least it's not celeron though
[6:19] <piless> my last laptop was a celeron!
[6:19] <SpeedEvil> It was 109 quid though.
[6:19] <RITRedbeard> C2D ULV is fine as hell.
[6:19] <SpeedEvil> And that was in a laptop in good condition
[6:21] <piless> SpeedEvil: The fan on my laptop is dying. A while back it stopped working altogether and my cpu was overheating but I fixed it by poking it with a penknife
[6:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[6:22] <piless> The horrible thing about laptops is that you damn near have to completely dismantle it to get at some parts like a fan
[6:22] <piless> And I'm not confident enough that I'll be able to put it back together!
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[6:26] <piless> welcome back mister ping timeout
[6:26] <SpeedEvil> piless: Try mobile phones.
[6:29] <piless> SpeedEvil: Yeah, especially when you've got one of the less popular ones
[6:30] <piless> I'm completely fucked if I ever need to replace my digitiser
[6:30] <piless> Thank god for gorilla glass
[6:31] <piless> And I don't have a phone where the glass goes right to the edge so I'm safer there
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[8:21] <seanmeir> Is the RPi in consumer hands yet?
[8:21] <seanmeir> !ticker
[8:22] <piless> no
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[8:48] <vinters> !muffin
[8:49] <vinters> where's my muffin?
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[8:51] <hetOrakel> where's my cuppacoffee
[8:51] <vinters> did you check the coffeeroom?
[8:52] <hetOrakel> and you the muffinroom?
[8:52] <vinters> that I forgot!
[8:52] <vinters> damn this memory
[8:53] <hetOrakel> i'll ask my PA to look in there!
[8:54] <vinters> is it possible that when you grow old (I mean really old) your memory turns from RAM into ROM?
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[8:55] <vinters> I guess I missed the joke, because, admitting my stupidity, what's a PA?
[8:55] <hetOrakel> Personal Assistent ...?
[8:56] <vinters> oh
[8:56] <vinters> you got one?
[8:56] <vinters> you're one of the lucky ones, eh
[8:56] <hetOrakel> she's also my agenda
[8:57] <hetOrakel> and happens to be als
[8:57] <hetOrakel> ...also my wife
[8:57] <hetOrakel> ;)
[8:58] <hetOrakel> actually it's here own joke. She has no job and tells everyone she works as my PA
[8:58] <hetOrakel> btw is this not a common english abbreviation?
[8:59] <vinters> according to Wikipedia it is
[8:59] <R`> -08:57:28- [+hetOrakel]: actually it's here own joke.
[8:59] <R`> lolol
[8:59] <R`> joke was ownmade
[8:59] <R`> :D
[9:00] <R`> u dont know uncle dolan ? :(
[9:00] <R`> http://memegenerator.net/instance/9883105
[9:01] <hetOrakel> R`: Nope.... never heard of him... i'm living in the Netherlands..
[9:02] <R`> so?
[9:02] <R`> he is a meme
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[9:03] <hetOrakel> sorry, but i don't know that word: what's a meme?
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[9:15] <JonSeals> Facedesk :P
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[9:17] <R`> JonSeals indeed
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[9:26] <piless> hetOrakel: It's a word coined by Richard Dawkins to denote an element of a culture or behavior that may be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means.
[9:28] <Henchman21> allied atheists alliance
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[9:50] <hetOrakel> piless: That's a nice sentence ;) I read a few articles about meme on the-evil-internet. The thing is a little abstract and it nees some time for me i guess... Besides that, what's the fun then in "it's here own joke"?
[9:50] <hetOrakel> Uncle Dolan has said that before.... or so?
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[10:53] <Jmirc> is it out yet?
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[10:55] <cjbaird> There's now like 5 of those Leeds RPis on eBay now...
[10:56] <cjbaird> It's pretty-much what everyone said would happen when the OLPC project came out..
[10:56] <fALSO> lol marketing
[10:57] <fALSO> "i need a rpi to LEARN to program"
[10:57] <fALSO> "i coudlnt do that with a computer"
[10:57] <Hourd> hurr
[10:58] <Hourd> cjbaird: Leeds RPi?
[10:59] <fALSO> it seems they "delivered" to a school
[10:59] <fALSO> the pis
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[10:59] <fALSO> but not the the poor bastards that pre-ordered
[10:59] <fALSO> LOL
[10:59] <Ben64> i don't think i'm getting a pi
[10:59] <cjbaird> The 'just giving them to the kids' ideal sounds good to the hipsterbloggers, but doesn't seem to carry through empirically... "Giving them to the Classroom" is probably more the go. (Hourd: hurr, check the rpi site)
[10:59] <Ben64> haven't gotten an email for quite a while
[11:00] <fALSO> thats just a load of marketing hype
[11:01] <cjbaird> ('Hipsterbloggers'== those who go around calling themselves 'Makers'[tm], and are more into SEO than the content of their sites.. :P)
[11:01] <[deXter]> "Kid: Whee, I just got an RPi.. I can sell it for a thousand bux on eBay and buy an Apple something!"
[11:03] * cjbaird doesn't have any tattoos or peircings, so is forbidden from Blogging on the Internet. :P :)
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[11:03] * cjbaird does have two Arduinos, though. :P
[11:04] <Hourd> are arduinos hipster? :P
[11:05] <[deXter]> Yeah, they're like, really underground man. RPi is too mainstream you know. :P
[11:06] <cjbaird> Probably.. But the 5 MSP430 launchpads I also have counteract them.
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[11:12] <Jak_o_Shadows> You have 5! I have a bunch of other msp430 chips that I got as free samples from TI. They're all surface mount though :{
[11:12] <rm> sell it for a thousand bux on eBay <- ha, that's a nice point
[11:13] <rm> "finally, all those third world kids can get their Raspberry Pi's"
[11:13] <rm> "so they can put the sodding things on eBay and buy themselves a proper computer from all the profits"
[11:15] <[deXter]> :P
[11:15] <Jak_o_Shadows> Giving the kids the RPi's makes no sense.
[11:15] <Jak_o_Shadows> At least, not brand new ones anyway.
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[11:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[11:18] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 7??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 71%, Later 13??C - 6??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[11:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
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[11:21] <Jak_o_Shadows> !w
[11:21] <PiBot> Jak_o_Shadows: in Istanbul, Istanbul Province. Temp 16??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 72%, Later 18??C - 12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[11:21] <Jak_o_Shadows> Curious
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[12:19] <Mez> So, have any pis been shipped out yet ?
[12:19] <phantoxe> status on: THE WAIT ?
[12:22] <phantoxe> hi fALSO
[12:22] <phantoxe> fALSO: already payed for the PI?
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/delivery#p64626
[12:22] <phantoxe> somebody needs to pay for the manufacturing ;-)
[12:23] <fALSO> LOL
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[12:24] <phantoxe> well
[12:24] <phantoxe> too bad the photos definition is crappy
[12:25] <phantoxe> but I don't seem to see the CE marking on the board
[12:25] <phantoxe> ....
[12:25] <fALSO> LOL
[12:25] <M0RBD> I thought CE meant Chinese Engineering ... *runs*
[12:25] <phantoxe> LOL
[12:25] <M0RBD> tro-lo-lo-lo
[12:25] <phantoxe> totally agree
[12:26] <M0RBD> phantoxe: that's actually where the joke comes from... They stamped products with "CE" which in that case meant Chinese Engineering..
[12:26] <phantoxe> and by the looks of the RJ45 connector, the replacement was really professional
[12:26] <M0RBD> haha
[12:26] <M0RBD> is it loose
[12:26] * M0RBD runs faster..
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[12:34] <selsinork> CE marking is in the docs, there's no sticker on the board - http://imgur.com/5DBAp
[12:36] <selsinork> I'll get a better photo later, it's still downloading updates at the moment
[12:36] * aditsu points a gun at selsinork - give me the pi and nobody gets hurt
[12:41] * SpeedEvil points a tomato at selsinork
[12:42] * M0RBD hijacks the PI shippment.
[12:43] <M0RBD> "The Great PI Robbery"
[12:44] <phantoxe> LOL
[12:44] <phantoxe> OLD
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> the forums are going to be filled with i've got my PI posts now
[12:49] <M0RBD> RaTTuS|BIG: you mean "I got my PI now but it does not run Windows 7"
[12:49] <M0RBD> hence its broken!
[12:49] <phantoxe> is it just me or all the connectors on the board are hand-soldered?
[12:49] <Hourd> i plugged it in and nothing happened
[12:49] <Hourd> etc...
[12:49] <M0RBD> hehe
[12:49] <phantoxe> such a long wait for such ultra-low quality
[12:49] <M0RBD> CE
[12:49] <phantoxe> I guess the Chinese Engineering fits well :)
[12:50] <phantoxe> you bet
[12:50] <fALSO> LOL
[12:51] <M0RBD> I mean
[12:51] <M0RBD> The gawker guy was right.. Internet has detoriated for the past 10-15 years... people receiving their PI is a prime example of that
[12:52] <hetOrakel> !w
[12:52] <PiBot> hetOrakel: in Istanbul, Istanbul Province. Temp 17??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 63%, Later 18??C - 12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:52] <M0RBD> 1000 pages of people unpacking the PI!
[12:52] <hetOrakel> PiBot: I'm NOT in Istanbul Whoehaa
[12:52] <M0RBD> !w at moms house
[12:52] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:52] <M0RBD> !w London
[12:52] <PiBot> M0RBD: in London. Temp 7??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 46%, Later 11??C - 6??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[12:52] <M0RBD> !w PI
[12:52] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:53] <M0RBD> :D
[12:53] <hetOrakel> !w Gilze-Rijen
[12:53] <PiBot> hetOrakel: in Gilze, North Brabant. Temp 9??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 50%, Later 10??C - 0??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:53] <M0RBD> !w Hell
[12:53] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:53] <M0RBD> It's wrong... I been too Hell
[12:53] <M0RBD> It was cold..
[12:53] <phantoxe> ROTFL @ not found
[12:53] <aditsu> !w Bush's brain
[12:53] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:57] <aditsu> Hell is a town in Michigan
[12:58] <aditsu> actually, unincorporated community
[12:58] <aditsu> !w Accident
[12:58] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:58] <aditsu> aww
[12:59] <aditsu> !w penistone
[12:59] <PiBot> aditsu: in Penistone, South Yorkshire. Temp 7??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 57%, Later 11??C - 5??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[13:00] <aditsu> !w Middelfart
[13:00] <PiBot> aditsu: in Middelfart, Syddanmark. Temp 7??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 57%, Later 10??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[13:01] <aditsu> !w Crapstone
[13:01] <PiBot> aditsu: in Crapstone, Devon. Temp 10??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 66%, Later 12??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[13:02] <aditsu> !w WetWang
[13:02] <PiBot> aditsu: in Wetwang, East Riding of Yorkshire. Temp 7??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 66%, Later 12??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[13:08] <passstab> 'mornin
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[13:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> 'noon
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[13:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> so it begins .....
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[13:24] <passstab> 'MORNIN!
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[13:31] <sECuRE> hey there. i got my rpi and have trouble getting it to boot up
[13:31] <sECuRE> i downloaded the debian image, unzipped it, dd'ed it to an SD card
[13:32] <sECuRE> the sd card is a sandisk ultra 2 GB which is recommended in the wiki
[13:32] <sECuRE> when i insert the sd card into my notebook, it shows the correct partitions (first one with the bootloader and kernel image etc)
[13:33] <sECuRE> when i plug it in the raspberry pi, connect my usb keyboard and a cinch video cable and the micro usb power adapter, the red PWR led goes permanently on
[13:33] <sECuRE> but nothing happens, screen just stays black
[13:33] <sECuRE> i tried two different video cables, two different screens, two different micro usb cables/power sources, with and without keyboard
[13:33] <sECuRE> still nothing
[13:33] <sECuRE> any ideas on what to try next?
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[13:34] <sECuRE> (oh, and i also waited 5 minutes because it s ays the first boot takes time)
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[13:36] <Iota> Yay! There is a channel.
[13:36] <Iota> http://i.imgur.com/qdBXU.jpg
[13:36] <Iota> :D
[13:36] <Iota> Who else has recieved theirs?
[13:36] * sECuRE
[13:37] <Iota> \o/
[13:37] <lennard> so how early exactly did you guys order yours (and from where)? :)
[13:37] <selsinork> sECuRE, is the SD card fully home in the socket ?
[13:37] <sECuRE> lennard: farnell, the minute when it was available
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[13:37] <sECuRE> selsinork: yeah, i think so. i can???t push it any further
[13:38] <Iota> I ordered mine 2 hours after the launch.
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> sECuRE, does it work with just the monitor plugged in?
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[13:38] <sECuRE> ShiftPlusOne2: no
[13:38] <sECuRE> ShiftPlusOne2: is it supposed to display anything without an sd card?
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne2> I mean with the sd card as well
[13:39] <selsinork> sECuRE, ok, I thought the card slot was very stiff, but as long as the switch at the back of the slot is activated it shouldn't be that..
[13:39] <Iota> I can confirm that without the SD Card, it displays nothing.
[13:40] <Iota> I can't seem to get the Archlinuxarm.img to boot though.
[13:40] <sECuRE> this is how the sd card is inserted: http://i.imgur.com/bpLdw.jpg
[13:40] <sECuRE> that???s correct, isn???t it?
[13:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> sECuRE, I would also suggest you double check that your power adapter is proper or that the usb port you're using isn't dodgy, just to eliminate that as a possible problem.
[13:41] <sECuRE> ShiftPlusOne2: i???ve been using this usb power adapter for a year to charge my mobile phone. i also tried it with the port on my computer which works for my kindle and motorola xoom
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne2> hm
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> suppose it could be a faulty unit
[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> but I'd tripple check everything first
[13:43] <sECuRE> is it supposed to show the link LED when i plug in a (working) ethernet cable?
[13:43] <selsinork> maybe also try a different image ? I'm using the arch one, haven't tried debian yet
[13:43] <sECuRE> does anyone else run theirs not using the HDMI output?
[13:44] <selsinork> only get link led after it boots
[13:44] <sECuRE> selsinork: ok, i???ll download the arch one
[13:45] <sECuRE> oh look
[13:45] <sECuRE> more LEDs with a different sd card
[13:45] <selsinork> do you have a different SD card to try ?
[13:46] <sECuRE> still no signal yet, but let???s give it a minute
[13:46] <friggle> you should really be getting a signal within a few seconds :/
[13:47] <sECuRE> hm, ok
[13:47] <friggle> sECuRE: can you try composite, just in case the pi doesn't like your hdmi display?
[13:47] <sECuRE> friggle: i *am* using composite
[13:47] <sECuRE> will try with a different cable/screen now
[13:47] <friggle> sECuRE: you've set it to PAL/NTSC as appropriate with config.txt?
[13:48] <friggle> sECuRE: and your HDMI cable is not connected?
[13:50] <sECuRE> the composite cable was flaky
[13:50] <sECuRE> swapped it and now it works
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne2> heh
[13:50] <friggle> huzzah
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne2> that's a relief
[13:50] <sECuRE> thanks for helping me debug this one, everyone
[13:50] <sECuRE> i???ll see if the second sd card i have of that sandisk model is also not working
[13:50] <sECuRE> because it???s the one recommended on the wiki :/
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[13:51] <friggle> sECuRE: sandisk ulgra 2gb class 4?
[13:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/no-hdmi-output-composite-ok#p64662
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[13:53] <DJWillis> friggle: a lot more activity here today ;)
[13:53] <sECuRE> friggle: exactly that one
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[13:54] <friggle> sECuRE: well, I've got a number of those that seem to be just fine...
[13:55] <friggle> DJWillis: indeed :)
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[14:02] <M0RBD> !w Lesbos
[14:02] <PiBot> M0RBD: in Lesbos. Temp 21??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 60%, Later 21??C - 15??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[14:19] <sECuRE> so i have 186M of memory available to linux. the rest is for graphics, i assume? can i change the amount? i don???t actually need graphics (except for a text console for debugging)
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[14:22] <friggle> sECuRE: just copy on of the /boot/arm*.elf files to /boot/start.elf
[14:22] <friggle> *one of the
[14:23] <friggle> so you'll want /boot/arm224_start.elf
[14:23] <sECuRE> ah, i see
[14:23] <sECuRE> thanks!
[14:23] <BenO> Has anyone succeeded about a direct UART connection to the Pi via the IO pins?
[14:24] <BenO> I'm trying to use an USB (FTDI) connector to debug why I can't boot on the SD cards I have
[14:25] <friggle> BenO: it's pretty rare to not even get as far as linux booting
[14:25] <friggle> I don't think I've had an SD card where the first stage bootloader doesn't work
[14:25] <sECuRE> friggle: hey, i???ve had that, too :p
[14:25] <BenO> friggle, I know, that's why I'm worried!
[14:25] <sECuRE> btw, what???s the rpitestmode=1 in the kernel commandline for?
[14:25] <sECuRE> and is there a list of custom kernel patches necessary / used in the debian image somewhere?
[14:26] <friggle> sECuRE: github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[14:26] <BenO> friggle, the only output I can see is the PWR led going on - OK hasn't lit up yet, and no output on either HDMI or Comp
[14:26] <friggle> BenO: what SD card? Are you sure you've written it correctly?
[14:27] <BenO> It's a SanDisk 8Gb class 4 - noted in the list as tried and working
[14:27] <BenO> (not it but they - I have a few of them)
[14:27] <BenO> Unfortunately the card I know is working I left with the RaspberryPi at the Gadget Show Live
[14:27] <ukscone> BenO: how did you write the card?
[14:28] <BenO> dd bs... etc
[14:28] <ukscone> BenO: ah ok so not windows
[14:28] <sECuRE> oh, btw, i just tried the second of the sandisk cards i have, and it works
[14:28] <friggle> BenO: yeah, and as I say most cards which have issues I've had experience with tend to get as far as linux booting, but linux mistakenly negotiates a mode that doesn't work well
[14:28] <ukscone> windows is known to suck writing bootable sd cards :)
[14:28] <sECuRE> so it???s only one of my cards which is faulty apparently
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[14:29] <ukscone> friggle: didn't they fix that it in the kernel last week?
[14:29] <BenO> I'm clearing another SD card now. shasum of new deb img seems to be right, and partitions load when put into one of my machines
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[14:30] <friggle> ukscone: there have been some recent fixes. There are still cards with issues though
[14:30] <sECuRE> eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok
[14:30] <sECuRE> uhm, does it really do gbit/s half-duplex?
[14:30] <sECuRE> or is that an error?
[14:30] <Caver> sounds unlikely
[14:31] <ukscone> friggle: ah ok -- i don't use anything modern sdcardwise as most things i have don't like newer cards
[14:35] <sECuRE> iperf says i get 94 mbit/s to the raspberry pi
[14:35] <M0RBD> sECuRE: the stanard does support HD as far I remember..
[14:35] <M0RBD> standard evn..
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[14:39] <M0RBD> I have always wondered.. whether GNU/RMS would licence himself under GPL..
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[14:41] * BenO is burning the Feb deb img out of desperation
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[14:42] <passstab> RMS is documentation :D
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[14:42] <M0RBD> heh
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[14:43] <BenO> Does anyone know of any h/w diagnostics I should check - 5v and 3.3 voltages on the GPIO pins are at the right sort of levels
[14:43] <M0RBD> He wanted $25 for a pic I slapped him with 8"" floppy... that seemed to have worked.
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[14:45] <chronofast> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-ModelB-Brand-New-Box-/140739793135?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item20c4bed0ef#ht_1049wt_1139
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[14:45] <chronofast> there we go
[14:46] <sECuRE> it???s not the first one
[14:46] <chronofast> nope, it isn't, just checked
[14:46] <chronofast> gotta love a free market economy
[14:47] <chronofast> looks like they are only being sold in the UK ebay though
[14:49] <BenO> feck... swapping SDs back and forth and powering up, I've finally got the OK light to do something... too scared to move to turn on monitor though as the cables are on my leg, and it might have been a bad connection! ;)
[14:50] <philh> two of them are donating 5% to the raspi foundation, that's awfully nice of them
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[14:55] <chronofast> I suppose so, considering they already donated the initial $35 and now another $5 to $10, It is nice of them.
[14:55] <chronofast> So far my order is still backlogged, so technically I've donated 0
[14:56] <phantoxe> jus curious
[14:56] <phantoxe> just curious
[14:57] <phantoxe> how many of you guys use apple products?
[14:57] <passstab> lol
[14:57] <passstab> not me
[14:57] <Axman6> i do
[14:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> got an ipad3 at work , several people there have iphones
[14:57] <phantoxe> no
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[14:58] <chronofast> nope, no apple, although I wouldn't mind it if you donated a couple of late model AIRs my way
[14:58] <phantoxe> I mean, people in here, i.e., that bought a RPI and use apple stuff
[14:58] <Axman6> 7 people
[14:58] <Axman6> >_>
[14:58] <aditsu> I am the proud user of 0 apple products (unless you count cups)
[14:58] <Veryevil> Has any one received their Pi from RS or are all the currently delivered ones from Farnell?
[14:58] <chronofast> linux on all my computers, linux on my tablet, linux on my phone
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[15:00] <afents> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ds1302-real-time-clock-module-with-battery-cr2032-126453
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[15:01] <Caver> woo ... mine just arrived!
[15:01] <Hourd> Caver: Farnell?
[15:01] <Caver> yup Farnell export - although to the UK
[15:02] <chronofast> from that link: "- The real time clock has the ability of calculating prior to the 2100 seconds, points, when, Japan, week, month, year, and the ability to adjust a leap year"
[15:02] <Veryevil> I think only Farnell ones have shipped
[15:02] <ukscone> !w 11220
[15:02] <PiBot> ukscone: in Brooklyn, NY on Mon Apr 16 11:51:00 2012. Temp 19??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 66%, Later 31??C - 16??C. Condition: Clear.
[15:02] <Veryevil> I'm waiting on my RS one
[15:02] <chronofast> newark and still waiting
[15:03] <Caver> so is it just UK people that have gotten them so far?
[15:03] <sECuRE> Caver: no
[15:03] <Veryevil> Was order number 1108 with RS and not got mine yet
[15:03] <sECuRE> Caver: i???m living in germany and got mine
[15:03] <Caver> yay
[15:03] <BenO> Got mine this morning
[15:03] <BenO> (UK)
[15:04] <Veryevil> and people believe that the order numbers started from 1000 or 1100
[15:04] <Veryevil> from RS?
[15:05] <Hourd> I'm UK and farnell still says processing....
[15:07] <Caver> gah ... I can't remember where is the download for xmbc for it
[15:07] <Caver> and yes debian is already downloading
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[15:08] <Veryevil> Does any one know if the latest kernel source is available. the one that ships with the new debian image
[15:08] <BenO> Bugger - I've got it to boot once to composite, but since then power cycling it won't reboot
[15:10] <chronofast> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/no-hdmi-output-composite-ok
[15:11] <BenO> chronofast, thanks, but it's not that I can only get composite, it's that the only time it's booted it gave me composite. It's booted once all morning, despite changing all sorts
[15:12] <BenO> and now, after a successful boot, doing a shutdown and power off/on won't reboot
[15:12] <Caver> what lights are you getting?
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[15:12] <Caver> on the board
[15:12] <BenO> Just PWR
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[15:13] <sECuRE> yeah, got a Go hello world running on the pi :)
[15:13] <BenO> OK lit up once (flashing then on) when it booted
[15:13] <sECuRE> (compile with GOARCH=arm GOARM=5)
[15:16] <Caver> anyone know - I don't
[15:16] <Caver> still downloading here so can't try it
[15:16] <friggle> BenO: a dodgy board isn't out of the question :/
[15:16] <friggle> Veryevil: github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[15:17] <DJWillis> BenO: sorry, coming in late but you have rulled out poor quality power?
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[15:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you post it to me I'll check it out
[15:18] <DJWillis> friggle: Gnome sucks ;), just as expected but it does run and you can just about use it. Xfce on the other hand with some work is quite usable.
[15:18] <chronofast> Can you check your input voltage?
[15:18] <friggle> DJWillis: :)
[15:19] <BenO> friggle, DJWillis I've checked the input and board voltages (via GPIO pinout) - board 5v is at 5.17v and 3.3v was nearly spot on
[15:19] <DJWillis> friggle: looking into some simple ARM patches for a forked XOrg FBDEV driver. Not that I expect to get very far, just some simple ARM routines on pinch points.
[15:21] <BenO> DJWillis, the power could still be low-quality perhaps - I am running it off a belkin powersurge 4way, and have tried a number of 230v to USB adapters (kindle, phones, and even the picoprojectors)
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[15:21] <chronofast> I'd hate to think you tried something that wasn't regulated and fried the board
[15:21] <friggle> BenO: yeah, kindle adaptor works no problem for me
[15:22] <Veryevil> have you tried reflashing your SD card image
[15:22] <BenO> chronofast, dont worry, it's all running through a decent regulator, as well as being tried and tested adapters
[15:22] <friggle> DJWillis: that would be awesome, even if it only made a small difference. You might also be interested in linux/drivers/video/bcm2708_fb.cpastebin.com/A0rvasgN
[15:22] <BenO> Veryevil, I've tried it a few times - with the recent deb image and even the feb one too
[15:23] <friggle> DJWillis: make that http://pastebin.com/A0rvasgN
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[15:23] <friggle> DJWillis: it's an attempt at using DMA for framebuffer ops...but it turns out basically nobody in the world calls those routines, including the xorg fbdev driver it seems
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> :/
[15:24] <Veryevil> Do you have anything like a USB to serial convertor?
[15:24] <Veryevil> converter*
[15:25] <DJWillis> friggle: well forking the XOrg FBDEV driver and having a good hack about is no big deal, I wonder how hard it would be to call down to that DMA stuff. Hmmmm, must do some real work. How much holiday do I have feft I wonder.
[15:25] <Veryevil> I mae us a serial cable for mine this morning and it hasn't even come yet!
[15:25] <friggle> DJWillis: and it's questionable how useful it would be - depends on the latency to actually make those calls
[15:25] <friggle> DJWillis: if you think adding hand-optimised assembly to the xorg driver would help, I met a Debian guy who had previously done that (maybe an older xorg).
[15:26] <friggle> not on the pi
[15:26] <hetOrakel> about the apple-question, i've got some, but why is this question?
[15:26] <DJWillis> BenO: I have used a good 1Ah type supply, tried a few crappy ones and got loads of boot issues but with a solid supply the board will take anything I chuck at it.
[15:27] <passstab> ok i DO use a ipod nano g2
[15:27] <passstab> for rockbox
[15:27] <DJWillis> friggle: got a link, porting that upto a recent XOrg, even if it is ARMv5, would be interesting. Unless it is that old handhelds.org rubbish but I dont think that was any Debian guys ;). Last time I did this sort of stuff was for the GP2X and that was all ARMv4 ;).
[15:29] * DJWillis is also very pleased that the USB seems pretty solid :), a few downstream hubs and a load of devices and it does not seem to glitch :)
[15:29] <DJWillis> Just slows up a lot ;)
[15:29] <friggle> DJWillis: I'll ask him - might have been contract work and I'm not sure if it's newer than armv4/armv5
[15:29] <BenO> DJWillis, just had a successful boot - 5v dropped from 4.91v to 4.6v while running (kindle adapter)
[15:30] <DJWillis> friggle: well anything and everything and all that. If nothing else, a sort of xFBDEV called something like xBCMFB would be a start as at least patches would have somewhere to go ;).
[15:30] <BenO> DJWillis, switching to an adapter that advertises 5v ~ 1A seems to make no difference
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> A stock kindle adapter or third party?
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:31] <BenO> stock kindle
[15:31] <DJWillis> BenO: that sounds about right. What sort of current draw?
[15:31] <DJWillis> Right, meeting, back later.
[15:31] <Veryevil> Ben0: do you have a usb to serial converter? Do you have a soldering Iron?
[15:32] <zag2me> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=180 <---list of ebay items being sold
[15:32] <BenO> Veryevil, I've tried plugging in an USB FTDI based cable to the UART pins as described on the wiki
[15:32] <BenO> Veryevil, but am getting nothing from them when it isn't booting
[15:33] <zag2me> looks like they are going for 100 quid so far
[15:33] <chronofast> didn't even know http://www.raspberrypiforums.com was around/existed
[15:33] <zag2me> be interesting to see how much they achieve
[15:33] <Veryevil> Sure Tx Rx are the right way round?
[15:33] <zag2me> Yeh Chronofast, they've been around a while
[15:33] <zag2me> I prefer phpbb forums
[15:34] <BenO> Veryevil, reasonably, as I've tried it both ways.
[15:34] <BenO> Veryevil, going to give it another go
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[15:35] <Veryevil> Ben0, are you using something like Putty to connect with settings 115200 8,n,1
[15:36] <Veryevil> did you connect ground up as well as rx and tx
[15:37] <chronofast> that might not be a bad idea, log in remotely and fiddle with xrandr or however you switch the output to hdmi
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[15:42] <friggle> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice is the best way of manipulating hdmi output after boot
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[16:00] <BenO> DJWillis, just FYI it draws 0.09-0.1 when it is powered on and will not boot, and 0.14 going up to 0.31-4 when successfully booting (10A multimeter measuring draw from FTDI connection fwiw)
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[16:01] <BenO> DJWillis, Also, if it boots, I can read output from the FTDI UART connection
[16:01] <ReggieUK> 0.14 what?
[16:01] <ReggieUK> amps
[16:01] <BenO> ReggieUK, 0.14A
[16:02] <ReggieUK> isn't that out of spec for the ftdi? (with regard to what it requests from the OS?)
[16:02] <BenO> That's the draw with nothing plugged in, aside from the SD and UART connection
[16:02] <Veryevil> does it boot sometimes then and have you seen any boot messages over serial?
[16:02] <BenO> could easily be 0.014 - my multimeter is a little special
[16:03] <BenO> Veryevil, yep - if it boots, it outputs to serial
[16:03] <ReggieUK> special as in has it's own bus to school or special as in magicke?
[16:03] <BenO> otherwise, nothing
[16:03] <BenO> ReggieUK, special as in it rides the special bus - the decimal point it displays isn't a real decimal point
[16:04] <BenO> depends on what it is set to
[16:04] <Veryevil> what surface do you have to board on? you are not powering it up on the anti-static bag like i have seen pics of people doing?
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> 0.14 on 10A on a 4 digit meter means 0.14A
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> Veryevil: doesn't matter
[16:04] <BenO> SpeedEvil, ty :)
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> AS bag is quite irrelevant as to power consumption
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> The resistance of the bag is in the tens or hundreds of megohms
[16:05] <BenO> The key difference is that if I power it on and it won't boot the initial (and holding) current is 0.09A
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> Odd
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[16:05] <BenO> whereas if it decides to boot, it starts at 0.14ish and rapidly draws more til about 0.31-4A
[16:05] <Veryevil> I would still power it up on the desk or on some paper as apposed to the conductive bag
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[16:06] <SpeedEvil> The bags - the pink ones - are not meaningfully conductive
[16:06] <BenO> This is with no physical movement aside from me putting the probe into a breadboard point, where all the UART connections are being made
[16:07] <Veryevil> yeah but they come in the static dissapative silver ones!
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> Static dissipative are the pink
[16:08] <BenO> the board is sitting on my worktop
[16:08] <Matt> for a nice discussion on static disipative versus anti-static bags, see a eevblog
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> conductive are the silverish
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> and yes, I was about to link to that
[16:08] <Matt> SpeedEvil: no, static dissipative are conductive
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[16:08] <Matt> pink are "anti-static" - i.e. they won't build up a charge from rubbing together
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> static dissipative is conductive to a very small degree. They do not pass meaningfull current.
[16:08] <Matt> think about it
[16:09] <chronofast> I wonder if this is going to end up being a common problem with the boards being sold with no cases
[16:09] <Veryevil> SO its on his desk then thats another thing ruled out
[16:09] <Matt> to be dissipative, they have to disipate the chage, i.e. have to be condictive
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> It's the difference between a day being slightly humid, and you being underneath the ocean.
[16:09] <Matt> the pink bags won't generate a charge, and they're not conductive
[16:09] <Veryevil> yeah I saw a twitpic of one booted on the bag and thought thats not gonna be the last one
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[16:09] <SpeedEvil> The pink bags have a resistance of the order of 10^8 ohms/sq. the silver ones ~500/sq
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> 500/sq will cause a problem
[16:10] <Matt> there's a fairly recent eevblog post on it, with dave bitching about Farnell shipping stuff in just pink bags
[16:10] <chronofast> yep, going to have to remember not to forget that :P
[16:10] <Matt> where he demonstrates you can zap stuff right through the pink bags
[16:10] <Matt> and right through tubes
[16:11] <Matt> but you can't through the conductive silver bags
[16:11] <Veryevil> yeah It was great
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Matt - right - you're not quite getting what he's saying. The problem with that is that the pink bags are not conductive enough to prevent damage.
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Matt: the pink bags are static dissipative - they do not conduct to a significant degree - they can't short out stuff.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> But this means that a significant spark can punch right through them
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> The silver ones are actually conductive - it's really hard to get much voltage across the packet because of its low resistance - and they can short out stuff.
[16:12] <Matt> bottom line, pink stuff is for packing
[16:12] <Matt> silver bags are for protection
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Pink works fine in a static controlled environment
[16:13] <Flea86> You would think in this day/age static would no longer be the huge problem that it still is..
[16:13] <Matt> and yes, don't run boards sitting on silver bags :)
[16:13] <Matt> Flea86: why?
[16:13] <shirro_> the pi would have been so much nicer with 4 holes and 4 plastic standoffs for feet in the bag
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Flea86: The feature size of electronics is going down and down.
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> Flea86: The 'native' resistance to static gets less and less.
[16:14] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: True, but our ability to clamp all those juicy i/o pins should've only gotten better right?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> It has.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> If you spend the money on the expensive clamp chips and devices.
[16:15] <Matt> assembled boards are actually pretty resilient
[16:15] <Matt> it's the bare components that are sensitive
[16:16] <Flea86> SpeedEvil: Of course, external (especially discrete) clamps will almost always beat integral clamps..
[16:17] <Flea86> except on price :)
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[16:18] <Veryevil> Ben0; try pressing down or squeezing the main processor on the board. maybe there is a BGA problem?
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> BenO: Try turning the board to face RMS.
[16:19] <BenO> Veryevil, SpeedEvil - I'm orientating my tuxcompass as we speak
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[16:21] <SpeedEvil> You said you'd tried another PSU? Also connecting directly?
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[16:23] <friggle> SpeedEvil: it's more likely RMS would have smited the board for requiring binary blobs to boot
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> BenO: Did you come up with a power consumption for 'idle' - booted?
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[16:24] <BenO> SpeedEvil, yeah, that was the 0.31A reading - nothing running, debian ref img, just SD and UART
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[16:25] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:26] <BenO> It is SSH'able at that point and now that I have its MAC addr, I can find it headlessly
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[16:27] <SpeedEvil> I'd be interested if evho ram >/sys/powers/state did anything
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> Or do I mean mem
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> I can never rememeber
[16:27] <chronofast> can you dump the dat file in here: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -d edid.dat
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[16:29] <BenO> SpeedEvil, Woo I've got a boot!
[16:29] <M0RBD> SpeedEvil: RMS? Richard Matthew Stallman?
[16:29] <BenO> What did you want me to poke?
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> BenO: I was wondering if it would suspend-RAM for any power saving
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> echo mem >/sys/power/state
[16:29] <shirro_> SpeedEvil: and how would you wake it up?
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> shirro_: Good question
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[16:32] <BenO> DJWillis, just FYI it draws 0.09-0.1 when it is powered on and will not boot, and 0.14 going up to 0.31-4 when successfully booting (10A multimeter measuring draw from FTDI connection fwiw)
[16:33] <BenO> with a SSH session, the draw is 0.37A atm
[16:33] <BenO> (and ethernet plugged ofc)
[16:34] <friggle> BenO: so the issue is that sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't?
[16:34] <BenO> 1 time out of 50 it'll boot
[16:34] <Veryevil> have you tried a different SD Card?
[16:34] <BenO> but I haven't been keeping track
[16:34] <BenO> Veryevil, yes
[16:34] <Veryevil> kk
[16:34] <M0RBD> Is that one soft or hard reboot?
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> BenO: How are you powering it?
[16:35] <M0RBD> one = on
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> BenO: and did you try a different PSU?
[16:35] <BenO> Just got it booted again and am pulling log files from it
[16:35] <BenO> SpeedEvil, every suitable one in the house :)
[16:35] <shirro_> i'd swap everything. sd, cables, power supply, monitor.
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[16:35] <friggle> shirro_: it sounds like BenO has done all that. Rather a lot by the sounds of it
[16:35] <shirro_> and then I would RMA it
[16:35] <BenO> shirro_, Swapped sd cables, power supplies, monitors and UART connections
[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> post it to me and I'll test it 1st
[16:36] <BenO> RaTTuS|BIG, nice try ;)
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[16:36] <M0RBD> heh
[16:37] <shirro_> i wonder what sort of failure rate they will have. what would be typical of something this size and complexity?
[16:37] <M0RBD> shirro_: that will depned on the mfg quality.
[16:37] <BenO> It is most likely to be my SD cards
[16:37] <M0RBD> depend evn
[16:38] <BenO> However, they are makes/models(?) listed in the 'known good' sd card page on the wiki
[16:38] <friggle> BenO: yes, I'm leaning towards a dodgy unit
[16:38] <BenO> The others I have are <2Gb
[16:38] <friggle> it is possible, there will be some failure rate
[16:39] <friggle> BenO: actually still worth trying, as the boot partition is at the beginning and so you'd see the kernel loading but failing to mount the root partition
[16:39] <BenO> friggle, perhaps - I'd like to find some more SD cards
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[16:39] <BenO> lots of the following in kern.log
[16:39] <BenO> Feb 5 10:03:40 25pi-pauld kernel: DEBUG:timer_callback:: Timer hc timer callback
[16:39] <BenO> Feb 5 10:03:40 25pi-pauld kernel: WARN::hc_xfer_timeout:1740: hc_xfer_timeout: timeout on channel 6
[16:40] <friggle> BenO: yeah, that's normal unfortunately
[16:40] <M0RBD> hum, the pi does not support bootp/tftpd
[16:40] <BenO> Then a boot where this figures:Jan 1 00:00:39 10 kernel: mmc0: Too large timeout requested for CMD38!
[16:41] <friggle> BenO: again, that occurs with some SD cards for me too
[16:41] <BenO> friggle, not every boot in the logs, but some of them. Happened with the board I was demoing too
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[16:41] <BenO> grr pastebin has a 500kb limit now?
[16:41] <BenO> bah
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[16:42] <BenO> dmesg of successful boot: http://pastebin.com/p7WQ7pEj
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[16:43] <BenO> kern.log of the boots so far: https://raw.github.com/gist/2399193/5dca1d4877b88a13e2bb346d46f034158546382f/kern.log
[16:43] <Endafy> hey I am thinking about overclocking this to something more accaptable like 1.2ghz with a copper forced air cooler, do you think that the a9 chip will handle this speed?
[16:43] <zgreg> a9?!
[16:44] <zgreg> it's an ARM11 :)
[16:44] <Endafy> oh its 11
[16:44] <Endafy> psh going 2.0 then
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[16:44] <zgreg> and I really doubt additional cooling will help
[16:44] <shirro_> you need to visit the pandaboard channel
[16:44] <M0RBD> Endafy: don't forget to film your smoking PI.
[16:44] <Endafy> going to clock it to 2ghz, its going to need cooling lol
[16:45] <BenO> Hmm any reason why nfsroot is left configured on the debian image? : "nfsroot="
[16:45] <Endafy> M0RBD honestly 35 bucks I am not afraid of frying it lol
[16:45] <BenO> Endafy, there's the cost of buying one and the cost in time of trying to get another at the moment!
[16:46] <Endafy> but I got a few coolers and whatnot to try out
[16:46] <zgreg> apparently with overvolting 1 ghz overclock is possible
[16:46] <zgreg> at least dom said that on the forums
[16:46] <Endafy> right
[16:46] <Endafy> just gotta run the math
[16:46] <zgreg> BenO: to annoy the people that boot with ethernet connected
[16:46] <Endafy> its a copper cooler and ill use some arctic silver
[16:46] <zgreg> Endafy: don't bother, it will not help
[16:47] <M0RBD> BenO: this might be redherring have you checked the soldering of the SD connector... I had a similar error where one of the pins of the device was not properly soldered.
[16:47] <Endafy> zgreg why will cooling not help lol
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[16:47] <shirro_> Endafy: use vegemite
[16:47] <Endafy> it will keep the chip from popping, I may be a little crazy, but im not retarded
[16:48] <zgreg> Endafy: because heat isn't your biggest problem
[16:48] <friggle> BenO: nothing leaps out at me from those logs
[16:48] <Endafy> zgreg its arm11 it can be clocked to way more than 700mhz
[16:49] <BenO> friggle, I didn't learn anything either, aside from the fact that kern.log isn't empty in the distributed img it seems ;)
[16:49] <chronofast> Endafy: do tell
[16:49] <friggle> BenO: nope, as you've spotted with having nfsroot included, it's still a little unclean. We need a better mechanism for generating new images
[16:50] <zgreg> Endafy: well, ARM11 isn't exactly designed for high clock speeds
[16:50] <zgreg> Endafy: relatively short pipeline, etc.
[16:50] <BenO> M0RBD, maybe not red herring, as the HDMI casing soldering is done poorly on this board
[16:50] <Endafy> right
[16:50] <Endafy> then why is it clocked so high in phones?
[16:50] <zgreg> it's not
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> BenO: From memory, CMD38 is simply 'read' - so the timeouts are bad configuration somewhere.
[16:50] <zgreg> typically ARM11 in smartphones is clocked at 600 mhz
[16:51] <friggle> that said, with overvolting Dom has had his running at 1ghz with no problem
[16:51] <Endafy> speaking of which I got it powered with a samsung battery incidently
[16:51] <zgreg> the *newer* ARM designs, such as the cortex-a8 or a9 are designed for higher clock speeds
[16:51] <Endafy> aha
[16:51] <Endafy> I didnt know it was the olderchip
[16:52] <Endafy> that explains everything
[16:52] <Endafy> ill try to get it to 1ghz then
[16:52] <M0RBD> Endafy: get it to Warp5!
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[16:52] <Endafy> lol
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[16:52] <BenO> Well, it's nice to confirm that it's a low power board - running at 1.88W currently
[16:52] <friggle> it would be lower power if you swapped out the power supply
[16:52] <friggle> as Gert said in a forum post today, it's really not optimised for low power as-is
[16:52] <chronofast> still that's great
[16:52] <M0RBD> BenO: that's great... I wonder what It would use running GCC for instance..
[16:53] <Endafy> if you use a samsung galaxy S battery the board powers happily
[16:53] <BenO> friggle, true, it's just powered via FTDI atm
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[16:53] <chronofast> did you rip out the phones board or directly to the battery
[16:53] <Endafy> I am going to gut my non-working gameboy and get a new lcd and make a handheld with this lol
[16:53] <BenO> M0RBD, chronofast - time to see what the draw is with a build then ;)
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: you mean a phone battery, with no boost - ~3.7-4.2?
[16:54] <Iota> I can't seem to got any .img to boot into a login prompt. Is there anything obvious I should know when powering it on for the first time?
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[16:54] <Endafy> chronofast I used a 10k ohm resister to get the voltage down but its almost direct
[16:54] <BenO> Ooo nice, deb img comes with build tools pre-installed
[16:54] <chronofast> and that's it? no shit, awesome stuff
[16:55] <friggle> Iota: well, first of all is the ok light flashing on your pi? (indicating at least the rpi can boot from your sd card)
[16:55] <Endafy> SpeedEvil the phone battery is like 7v
[16:55] <M0RBD> BenO: yes, that does save some time indeed.
[16:55] <Endafy> you gotta drop it to 5-6
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[16:56] <chronofast> So how do you recharge the battery then?
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[16:56] <Iota> Yep, I get into the boot sequence, it just tends to hand on either smsc95xx (the eth0), or after identifying the keyboard/mouse.
[16:56] <Iota> hang*
[16:56] <Endafy> chronofast good point :-P I said it works I havent gotten that far yet
[16:56] <M0RBD> chronofast: telepathy
[16:57] <Endafy> wireless charger possibly
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: Is it a >10 year old phone?
[16:57] <Endafy> yes
[16:57] <chronofast> ahh, just be cautious recharge circutry is dangerous (from experience)
[16:57] <Endafy> lol right
[16:57] <Endafy> I dont care if it doesnt work
[16:57] <Endafy> I just was able to get it working with a 7v battery
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> The battery will not be 7V
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> It will be 7.2-8.4
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> - lithium ion standard charge voltages
[16:58] <Iota> Ah, I read an error above now. "mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card"
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> the input regulator has an ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM of 6.0V from memory
[16:58] <shirro_> what class/brand sd?
[16:58] <Endafy> right SpeedEvil but its not a full charge
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Do not run it from over 6V
[16:59] <chronofast> i'd love to get some kind of lipo battery / charger together that's proven to work with the RP
[16:59] <Endafy> hense the 10k ohm resister
[16:59] <Veryevil> Just pulled the Kernel Source from RasPi github and wondering where the default config file is they are using for the debian image?
[16:59] <BenO> M0RBD, chronofast managed to draw 0.45A while at load - no peripherals plugged in though
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: If it's got a 10K resistor in front, it absolutely can't work. You've misread the resistor.
[16:59] <Iota> Optima Class 4 SDHC 8GB.
[17:00] <Endafy> all I know is with the evom it reads 4.3v with the resister and 7.1 without
[17:00] <shirro_> BenO: does the default kernel have /proc/config.gz? Just curious
[17:00] <Veryevil> ah think ive found it. bcmrpi_defconfig?
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: What are the colour bands on the resistor?
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> brown black orange would be 10K - which it isn't.
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[17:01] <Endafy> orange orange orange gold
[17:01] <Endafy> so its 1k lol my bad
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> That would be 3.3K 1%
[17:01] <BenO> shirro_, yep, that's on it
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> Which it's not either.
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> err 5%
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> It has to be in the range of ~10 ohms for it to be dropping 3V@300mA or so.
[17:02] <shirro_> Veryevil: it has /proc/config.gz on a running pi if you want the kernel config
[17:02] <Anppa> i use a multimeter to decode the bands :]
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> what does cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler say [or whatever the SD card is loaded at ]
[17:03] <Endafy> well in anycase it will be running off of 4x1.2v rechargable AA batteries
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[17:03] <Veryevil> i dont have one yet
[17:03] <Endafy> im gutting my nonworking gameboy for the case
[17:03] <BenO> Veryevil, Here's the contents of the /proc/config.gz http://pastebin.com/BRmeHBW8
[17:03] <Dagger2> (orange/orange/orange would be 33k, incidentally)
[17:03] <Veryevil> just looking through defconfig now. Gonna build myself a new kernel
[17:04] <M0RBD> 0.45 is not bad at all.
[17:04] <Endafy> http://www.queenmao.com.tw/image_products/color-code.gif
[17:04] <shirro_> Veryevil: defconfig isn't necessarily what is shipping
[17:04] <Endafy> orange orange orange 1k
[17:04] <BenO> RaTTuS|BIG, pi@raspberrypi:~$ cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler
[17:04] <BenO> noop deadline [cfq]
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: Err - no
[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ ooh noop may actually be better ...
[17:05] <BenO> M0RBD, That will change once I've plugged in my Kinect though ;)
[17:05] <Dagger2> Endafy: 33 * 1k = 33k
[17:05] <Endafy> huh I might have lucked out then
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[17:05] <shirro_> Veryevil: at least diff it with Ben0's pastebin to see if they are the same
[17:05] <Dagger2> BenO: that the new Debian image?
[17:05] <Endafy> it could be a bad resister
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[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: Is this a four or a five band resistor?
[17:06] <Endafy> 4
[17:06] <Dagger2> BenO: that the new Debian image?
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> Are you colour blind?
[17:06] <Endafy> doesnt matter really
[17:06] <Endafy> its going to be ran off of 4 aa rechargable batteries
[17:06] <BenO> Dagger2, quite possibly... ahem I've tried so many different cards and one or two have the old image on
[17:06] <Endafy> so I need to set a resister for this?
[17:07] <SocksG> So, with the debain SD card installed, what should I run to demonstrate this to people at work (or my kids in an hour or two)?
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: Using a resistor is not a safe manner of regulation
[17:07] <Dagger2> I see they've added audio/bluetooth/WLAN support, but still no IPv6... so much for the "minimum image" line
[17:07] <Endafy> SpeedEvilright
[17:07] <BenO> Dagger2, it's booted, the card is face down and I don't want to risk a disconnect to find out ;)
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> Endafy: For much the same reason you can't safely regulate the speed of your car by riding the brake.
[17:07] <Endafy> I dont think that 4 aa batteries will kill it
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> They likely will not
[17:07] <Dagger2> BenO: well, so long as it's Debian -- I know it's not the old version :)
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> the 7V battery stands a much better chance
[17:08] <Endafy> right but its not feasable
[17:08] <BenO> Ah, doing a git clone on the raspberry pi... I've been waiting a long time to do that ;)
[17:08] <M0RBD> BenO: heh reg Kinect..
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Can you post a high-res shot of the board - so the exact model of the regulator can be confirmed - to check the max voltage allowed?
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> I'm going off the initial boards - they may have swapped for a more tollerant part.
[17:09] <Endafy> I plugged in a USB cord into both USB ports from USB to USB Mini how come it wont power on :-P ;)
[17:09] <Endafy> jk
[17:10] <Endafy> incidently, if you dont have enough power going to the board the onboard USB ports wont properly power my USB hard drive
[17:10] <Endafy> I had a bluetooth charger plugged in and it was severly under powered lol
[17:10] <Endafy> the device would just shut off lol
[17:11] <shirro_> talking of git. how about doing openssl speed sha1
[17:11] <BenO> M0RBD, actually pulling less current while make'ing than installing - SD draw is not insignificant at these levels I guess! :)
[17:11] <Endafy> so for future reference you need more power than a bluetooth charger
[17:12] <Endafy> it works until you plug something that draws power from USB
[17:12] <BenO> plugging in Kinect, the current draw has risen to 0.52A
[17:12] <Endafy> the xbox 360 kinect?
[17:13] <BenO> yep
[17:13] <Endafy> lol nice
[17:13] <Endafy> what are you using to power it?
[17:13] <Hexxeh> so, who got their pi today? :)
[17:13] <BenO> Currently, a USB to serial connector
[17:13] <chronofast> :(
[17:13] <Endafy> I did the mail man tried to shove the package into my tiny mailbox
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[17:13] <Endafy> aha so you have it connected to your computer?
[17:13] <Endafy> for power?
[17:13] <BenO> but the end aim is to siphon off some from the kinect power box to something suitable
[17:14] <BenO> well, less aim and more idea at this stage
[17:14] <Endafy> right
[17:14] <Endafy> just splice the power off the kinect adapter
[17:14] <Iota> Is there a list of compatible SDHC cards? I'm starting to think mine is not compatible.
[17:14] <Endafy> run the power in parralel
[17:15] <Endafy> Iota odd I am using a 16gig walmart special
[17:15] <shirro_> Iota: what is the brand and class?
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[17:15] <Iota> Optima Class 4 SDHC 8GB.
[17:16] <BenO> Iota, keep trying - you might be able to get it to boot once
[17:16] <BenO> I also think that my SD cards may not be suitable, but need to debug further
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[17:16] <Endafy> Iota do you have a micro SD card and an adapter?
[17:16] <Endafy> like from a phone?
[17:17] <Iota> Things like ethernet, keyboard/mouse, they don't need to be connected right? Just asking.
[17:17] <Endafy> you might be able to try that
[17:17] <Iota> I don't have an adapter.
[17:17] <BenO> Iota, nope - all it needs is power and an SD
[17:17] <Endafy> remember to back up your phones pictures :-P
[17:17] <Iota> :-P
[17:17] <shirro_> Iota: probably a good thing. have been trouble with micro cards and class 10s
[17:17] <Iota> I'll keep power cycling till it boots. >:)
[17:17] <BenO> Aha, just remembered that the 3DS uses an 2Gb SD
[17:18] <Iota> I see.
[17:18] <Endafy> I love my 3ds
[17:18] <Endafy> softmodded ;)
[17:18] <Endafy> easiest softmod ever
[17:18] <shirro_> Iota: what are you using for power?
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[17:19] <Iota> My mobile charger. It's still in the USB. Would a wall plug be better?
[17:19] <Endafy> Iota I have found my PC usb to be best power
[17:19] <shirro_> Probably. Don't trust computers not to sleep and stuff.
[17:19] <Endafy> right that too
[17:19] <Endafy> got a ps2 lying around?
[17:19] <Iota> It seems to boot up, but then hangs after mmc0: Error -84 or something to that nature.
[17:20] <Endafy> the ps2slim USB is perfect
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[17:20] <shirro_> Iota: it is probably the SD. perhaps dd the image again or try another card.
[17:20] <Endafy> honestly though it is just bad coding that it *requires* sd card and not USB boot
[17:21] <Iota> Shall do.
[17:21] <BenO> Iota, Excellent - it sounds like that is the SD card
[17:21] <Endafy> I hope future versions use cortex processors and supports USB booting
[17:21] <zgreg> BenO: have you tried overclocking yet?
[17:21] <ReggieUK> so it's not even making it past the kernel bringup then?
[17:21] <Endafy> honestly if you used cortex and supported usb booting and charged $50 I would not have complained
[17:22] <zgreg> Endafy: booting from USB is much more complicated, though. SD is a simple standard, especially if you restrict yourself to the SPI interface
[17:22] <BenO> zgreg, I've barely got it working! boots one time every 40-50 attempts
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[17:22] <zgreg> no matter what SD card you use?
[17:22] <ReggieUK> I think you should be able to boot from usb, it's just a question of poking the kernel config with the right options to build it in
[17:22] <Endafy> zgreg yes but look at all the problems people are having
[17:22] <BenO> zgreg, no matter - about to try the 2Gb SD card from my 3DS, once I've made a workable backup
[17:22] <Endafy> ReggieUK no its hard coded to boot from SD
[17:23] <zgreg> Endafy: right, imagine how many problems more they'd have with USB!
[17:23] <Endafy> yeah true
[17:23] <ReggieUK> no it's hardcoded to load the kernel from SD
[17:23] <Endafy> right
[17:23] <shirro_> BenO: if it was an intel box with that much trouble booting I would guess the power supply
[17:23] <ReggieUK> the rootfs boot is up to the kernel configuration
[17:23] <zgreg> it should be possible to chainload from USB
[17:23] <zgreg> but that requires a lot of work to port a bootloader, i.e. u-boot
[17:24] <Endafy> I will buy the next version of this if it has a cortex a9 1ghz
[17:24] <chronofast> chainload from usb has to end up being a solution
[17:24] <ReggieUK> infact, afaik, it's not even hardcoded to boot the kernel, it's just hardcoded to boot a binary with a specific name
[17:24] <Endafy> seriously dont be afraid to charge 50-75 for it
[17:24] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yes
[17:24] <shirro_> Endafy: just buy a panda. Or an Atom.
[17:24] <ReggieUK> *cough* rename uboot *cough*
[17:24] <zgreg> the new DN2800MT atom board is seriously awesome
[17:25] <zgreg> it's cheap, plenty powerful, quite energy efficient and offers a lot of interfaces
[17:25] <DJWillis> zgreg: actually you 'could' use something like kexecboot to do that pretty quickly. But if your chainloading you can do anything with the will ;).
[17:25] <shirro_> zgreg: no trouble playing mpeg2 there
[17:25] <Endafy> yes but its bigger
[17:25] <zgreg> shirro_: on atom? yeah...
[17:25] <Hexxeh> has anyone figured out why booting from usb doesn't work yet?
[17:26] <chronofast> zgreg looks like any modern mini itx board, my amd e350 from a year and change ago is comparable
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[17:26] <Hexxeh> busy with uni stuff over the weekend so i've not had chance to debug it properly, free tonight so i'll look then if nobody's done it
[17:26] <Endafy> Hexxeh its hard coded to boot to SD
[17:26] <zgreg> chronofast: the DN2800MT is much more energy-efficient
[17:26] <shirro_> Hexxeh: because the broadcom bootloader doesn't have a usb driver perhaps
[17:26] <zgreg> chronofast: needs < 10W at idle
[17:26] <Hexxeh> Endafy: i know, it's chainloading
[17:26] <Endafy> zgreg I will buy one of those boards
[17:26] <chronofast> ahhh, that's the big diff then
[17:26] <Hexxeh> shirro_: no, the kernel does, and it's loaded at the point it should be using the usb as a root
[17:26] <zgreg> chronofast: plus, you have a lot of interesting interfaces, like mini-pcie
[17:27] <Iota> I've just read the wiki page about dd'ing the .img file. They use bs=1M in the command, would this be required?
[17:27] <zgreg> Iota: no
[17:27] <Endafy> 100 bucks aint bad
[17:27] <shirro_> So set the kernel to mount root from somewhere else then.
[17:27] <Hexxeh> shirro_: it doesn't work, waits for root forever
[17:27] <Iota> Hadn't expected so. :-S
[17:27] <Hexxeh> shirro_: sda just isn't there at that point in the boot
[17:27] <Endafy> but to the devs of this, thanks I am going to turn this into a rom machine
[17:27] <zgreg> Iota: bs= defines the block size. smaller block sizes might be slower, but that's the only issue.
[17:27] <Endafy> put an LCD into the gameboy
[17:27] <Endafy> this board
[17:28] <Iota> I see, thanks.
[17:28] <zgreg> Iota: so, doesn't matter if you can spare a minute or so when transferring the image
[17:28] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: is it just the udev settle issue? That was my take but I could not be bothered to try more over the weekend.
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[17:28] <Endafy> zgreg thanks for the info
[17:29] <Iota> Trying debian once more, if that fails I'll give fedora a go. The arch image didn't seem to do anything. Just put a nice raspberry in the top corner and sat there.
[17:29] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: not sure, not had chance to look into it properly. gonna try the debug kernel tonight see what the deal is.
[17:29] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: i suspect there's some module required for usb disks that isn't compiled in
[17:29] <ReggieUK> could always bringup what you need in a ramdisk
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[17:30] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: easier just to bake the module in
[17:30] <ReggieUK> initrd or initramfs
[17:30] <Hexxeh> just a case of figuring out which it is
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[17:30] * BenO waiting for 'dd' to do its thing... sigh
[17:30] <DJWillis> Yep, bake in over an RD ;).
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[17:30] <ReggieUK> so what's the issue right now, that it's a loadable module for the usb?
[17:30] <zgreg> BenO: do you know how many people have problems with booting the pi?
[17:31] <zgreg> or, if many people have problems with it?
[17:31] <shirro_> Hexxeh: according to BenO config.gz the sd device is a module.
[17:31] <BenO> zgreg, I'm not sure - it will be a task to sort those who have bad SD imgs from those with dodgy boards
[17:31] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: you just plain can't boot from USB
[17:31] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: kernel loads from SD, but can't find USB stick for root=
[17:31] <zgreg> flaky SD compatibility would be really really bad
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[17:32] <shirro_> Hexxeh: and by sd device is mean scsi block device or /dev/sd?
[17:32] <Endafy> honestly when I have this set up properly it will find /home on USB
[17:32] <BenO> zgreg, yeah, but SD cards are a law unto themselves ;)
[17:32] <Hexxeh> shirro_: what'd you mean?
[17:33] <shirro_> Hexxeh: recompile the kernel with CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=Y and you should be ok
[17:33] <zgreg> BenO: err, I don't understand
[17:33] <Hexxeh> shirro_: how would that help? the root it's trying to load is on the usb, not the sd
[17:33] <Endafy> http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS8GSDHC6E/dp/B001ECQVSS
[17:33] <Endafy> this works fine
[17:33] <Endafy> I got the 16gig version
[17:33] <Endafy> but this card is confirmed to work
[17:33] <shirro_> SD means scsi disk. USB storage uses scsi disk emulation
[17:33] <BenO> zgreg, SD cards from different manufacturers and makes are not equal in quality of interface
[17:34] <phantoxe> lol @ quality
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[17:34] <Hexxeh> shirro_: hmm, i'll give it a shot
[17:34] <zgreg> of course they are not, but generally you can expect a random SD card to work in a random camera, card reader or whatever
[17:34] <phantoxe> maybe they're made by the same Chinese Engineering that made raspberry-pi boards
[17:34] <Hexxeh> that's why standards exist
[17:34] <shirro_> Hexxeh: I am not tallking about SD cards but scsi disk support. It is currently compiled as a module and loaded in initrd
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[17:35] <Endafy> dude stop bitching go buy a 2 dollar card from walmartr
[17:35] <Endafy> make sure its class 6
[17:35] <Endafy> and ull be fine
[17:35] <phantoxe> LOL class 6
[17:35] <Hexxeh> shirro_: yeah, i get you now. didn't realise there was an initrd in the standard kernel image. i know the emergency image has one, didn't realise the normal one did.
[17:35] <Endafy> inadvertantly class 16 works too
[17:35] <zgreg> the class doesn't really matter at all
[17:35] <phantoxe> the board is cheap
[17:35] <phantoxe> what's around it, not quite
[17:35] <phantoxe> LOL
[17:36] <zgreg> most class 10 cards are really, really bad at random writes, and that is what counts for the pi
[17:36] <zgreg> linaro has a nice page about it
[17:36] <zgreg> what's even worse, classes up to 6 even mandate a certain minimum random write IOPS rate, but class 10 does not
[17:36] <Endafy> kmart has a nice sd card on sale for 8 bucks, 16gig
[17:37] <Endafy> go peep it out
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[17:37] <BenO> Appears you can just dd a backup of the 3DS SD card - nice :)
[17:37] <Endafy> dane-elec
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[17:38] <Endafy> if you want something that "just works" go buy a mac, this is for hackers and modders
[17:38] <Endafy> not everything you throw at it is going to work
[17:39] <Endafy> its a 35 dollar computer
[17:39] <Endafy> please stop complaining and go get another sd card
[17:39] <Endafy> I think I went through 3 cards
[17:40] <mkopack> Who are we crucifying ? :)
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[17:40] <Endafy> before I found one that works
[17:40] <Endafy> whats funny anything that works in the wii or 3ds will work on this
[17:40] <zgreg> I think an unreliable and flaky SD interface is a very legitimate complain
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> The fact that a large number of SD cards don't work may indicate that tweaks in the driver are a good plan
[17:40] <Endafy> if it wont work on nintendo it wont work onthis
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[17:40] <Hexxeh> it's known what the issue is
[17:41] <chronofast> http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/06/sandisk-ces-sd-card-with-built-in-usb-adapter/
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[17:41] <Endafy> all of my SD High Speed cards work the ones that are pre-2005 dont
[17:41] <zgreg> Hexxeh: SD 3.0 vs SD 1.1?
[17:41] <shirro_> Most end users will probably buy a bundle with pre-imaged card
[17:41] <Hexxeh> zgreg: failure to switch to 1.8v signalling since the pi has it hard wired to 3.3v
[17:41] <mkopack> Hexxeh: How'd you make out? Get everything working?
[17:41] <zgreg> Hexxeh: yes, that's what I mean
[17:42] <Hexxeh> mkopack: for what?
[17:42] <lennard> why am I not getting mails from RS or farnell yet?
[17:42] <zgreg> sucks that it is hard-wired
[17:42] <zgreg> UHS support would have been *nice*
[17:42] <Hexxeh> zgreg: yeah, but it can be worked around in the kernel driver
[17:42] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Your work on Chromium over the weekend
[17:42] <Endafy> easycap dc60 with Linux headers works
[17:42] <zgreg> of course, just don't use SD 3.0!
[17:42] <Hexxeh> mkopack: ah, ended up having to get my uni work done
[17:42] <mkopack> lennard: ASK THEM. How should we know?
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[17:42] <Endafy> im not entirely sure if this will do mega video editing but it works lol
[17:42] <mkopack> Hexxeh: AH, yeah, I know that feeling. Spent all weekend doing school work myself
[17:42] <Hexxeh> mkopack: gonna carry on with it tonight, but chrome segfaulting is proving a bitch
[17:42] <zgreg> well, I hope the first-stage boot loader does not have any issues like the linux kernel SD driver :D
[17:42] <lennard> well, because people in here are getting PIs :P
[17:43] <Hexxeh> my other pi arrived today, which is handy
[17:43] <zgreg> the first-stage bootloader is in OTP memory :D
[17:43] <mkopack> lennard: Fine, but it's not like we have any insight into how RS+Farnell work??? Call and ask them
[17:43] <BenO> lennard, as for RS, I found emails from them in my gmail spam folder
[17:43] <Iota> Think I'll go buy myself a new card. Any one I should look for?
[17:43] <BenO> My Pi is from Farnell
[17:43] <Iota> Good names?
[17:43] <Endafy> I live in the US, Oneonta NY and it came today
[17:43] <Endafy> came from the UK
[17:43] <shirro_> Endafy: what was your oder time roughly?
[17:44] <mkopack> Glad to see the know-zero hordes have started popping their heads up and bitching about stuff they don't understand??? sigh
[17:44] <Endafy> idk I preordered it a while ago I forgot when I ordered it
[17:44] <zgreg> Hexxeh: how can I convince eben to send me a pi? I'd like to work on X acceleration. :/
[17:44] <shirro_> order even. Trying to guess if I will be in first batch in au or not
[17:44] <Matt> mkopack: we knew this would happen :)
[17:44] <Endafy> mkopack funny honestly being that it is a 35 dollar computer
[17:45] <mkopack> Matt: Yeah??? If I see one more "It came" thread on the Forums I'm going to scream. WHO CARES? Go use it for something. Not everyone needs to know when every person's Pi arrives!
[17:45] <zgreg> mkopack: they did? where?
[17:45] <Endafy> I wish the serial didnt have the pins though
[17:45] <Endafy> I am going to have to remove them and solder in wires
[17:45] * Matt gave up on the forums
[17:45] <Matt> I don't have time to trawl through
[17:45] <BenO> Endafy, yeah, would have liked to have something pluggable
[17:45] <BenO> Endafy, I had to sacrifice a floppy disc cable ;)
[17:46] <Endafy> that would woek
[17:46] <Endafy> work*
[17:46] <mkopack> I particularly loved the one today on the forums about "X is really slow, but we're using it on a 50" Plasma HDTV. I wonder if it'll go faster on a 15" instead"??? SIGH. REALLY?
[17:46] <Endafy> but I am still going to solder wires
[17:46] <hotwings> lol mkopack
[17:46] <Endafy> the pins are in the way
[17:46] <zgreg> mkopack: lol
[17:46] <Endafy> but other than that awesome device
[17:46] <Endafy> its my new rom emulator lol
[17:46] <mkopack> Makes me want to whack them upside the head and yell "DUMBASS!"
[17:46] <Matt> mkopack: heh - my little netbook's X setup is really slow on our 47" HDTV
[17:47] <zgreg> mkopack: but it's not entirely pointless... a 15" screen will have lower resolution, and thus faster
[17:47] <shirro_> mkopack: the people who are desiging custom home theatre rooms with thousands of dollars of equipment who want to run it all off a $35 computer get to me
[17:47] <BenO> Endafy, yep - had it running speccy games at the Gadget Show Live :)
[17:47] <mkopack> Fine, but talk about a lower RESOLUTION screen, screen SIZE means NOTHING in terms of performance
[17:47] <chronofast> yep, emulator is in the future, so as long as it can do *cough* gpu acceleration....
[17:47] <Endafy> nice
[17:47] <Matt> mkopack: aye :)
[17:47] <OneFix_Work> Any word on when Newark will begin shipping rPis?
[17:47] <BenO> lovely stuff, until some idiot hit the save image button and overwrote Manic Miner tape file :*
[17:47] <Endafy> chronofast right I dont expect more than SNES roms
[17:47] <BenO> :(
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[17:48] <shirro_> OneFix_Work: I thought they were
[17:48] <Endafy> but genesis, gameboy color/advance, nes, snes, mame
[17:48] <Iota> What class/brand SD card should I go for? I'm going to head out now and grab one.
[17:48] <mkopack> shirro: Yeah, those too??? Or the ones bitching "Why doesn't it have a SPDIF or Optical audio out? My Receiver doesn't have HDMI"??? So buy a MODERN receiver! This wasn't meant to be a damn AV hub!
[17:48] <Matt> BenO: I hope you learned a little about permissions in a public environment from this :)
[17:48] <chronofast> OneFix_work Wish I knew, that's who i purchased with
[17:48] <Endafy> Iota as long as it is high speed
[17:48] <Matt> mkopack: or use composite! :D
[17:48] <BenO> Matt, It's alright - it was just for examples anyway. People preferred the Quake3 demo to play anyway
[17:48] <Endafy> go ahead and spend the extra 3-4 if you want to be sure
[17:48] <Iota> High speed, noted. Will it say it on the packaging somewhere?
[17:49] <Matt> mkopack: I have a TV I'm tempted to hook the pi upto, using an RF modulator, as the TV only has RF in :)
[17:49] <BenO> Matt, but we did watch them closely - sudo not being pw protected by default ;)
[17:49] <Endafy> Matt its not RF
[17:49] <Endafy> its video
[17:49] <Endafy> RGF
[17:49] <Matt> Iota: it should have the class number on there in tiny writing somewhere
[17:49] <Endafy> I tried my RF NES hookup and it didnt work lol
[17:49] <Iota> Stay clear of Class 10 though?
[17:49] <Endafy> but any vcr will work
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[17:50] <hotwings> Iota - ive had great success with sandisk sdhc cards.. but havent tried one in an rpi yet
[17:50] <Matt> Endafy: read what I said more closely
[17:50] <Endafy> sandisk
[17:50] <Endafy> dane-elec
[17:50] <shirro_> Matt: for my Sinclair my dad helped me mod a B&W tv to put the video in after the RF.
[17:50] <Matt> the two key words being "RF Modulator"
[17:50] <zgreg> it surprises me that many people actually think composite will get them usable quality for desktop usage
[17:50] <OneFix_Work> Iota: Why not class 10?
[17:50] <BenO> Good omen - booted first time from the SD card out of my 3DS
[17:50] <mkopack> LOL, god I remember those days back in the 70's and early 80's when most TV's didn't even have Composite NOR RF in??? Just the 2 little screws on the back and you had to get an RF modulator to convert to the screw terminals.
[17:50] <Endafy> idk people have issues with class 10
[17:50] <zgreg> most people are REALLY naive
[17:51] <Iota> I thought I heard something about Class 10 being poor quality at higher speeds?
[17:51] <Matt> mkopack: this TV does at least have a 75ohm input, as well as the 300ohm input
[17:51] <Matt> mkopack: but that's about it :)
[17:51] <zgreg> one guy even told me composite is good for HD stuff, and not much worse than HDMI
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[17:51] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Funny thing is that in the near future all of our connectors will be HDMI
[17:51] <zgreg> I think he might have confused it with component video
[17:51] <Endafy> I just hooked it to my 1080p tv and it works in 1080
[17:51] <Endafy> question is it 1080i or 1080p
[17:52] <zgreg> Endafy: 1080p
[17:52] <Endafy> nice
[17:52] <BenO> F**k yeah! I think this new SD card is a winner ;)
[17:52] <Endafy> my tv doesnt specify
[17:52] <Endafy> just says "720" or "1080"
[17:52] <Matt> it has a pair of boxes sitting atop it - a tuner so it can tune channels past 15 or so, and an RF modulator, which gives me composite video, s-video and stereo audio to RF on channel 3 or 4
[17:52] <mkopack> Iota: The problem is Class 10 was designed for high speed transfers of LARGE files. Linux tends to be a lot of really small reads and writes at a time, which is HORRIBLE on CLASS 10
[17:52] <zgreg> AFAIK the pi will only use progressive modes over HDMI
[17:52] <Endafy> linux command line looks goofy on a 56"tv
[17:53] <Iota> Thanks, mkopack.
[17:53] <zgreg> mkopack: yes, and class 10 doesn't specify a minimum performance for random read/write... unlikey class 6/4/2 :)
[17:53] <Endafy> sudo apt-get install firefox lol
[17:53] <shirro_> Endafy: play with the frame buffer. You can get it looking a lot better without running X
[17:53] <mkopack> Endafy: Use Midori??? Trust me on this??? Firefox is a PIG and you have very limited RAM. Midori is actually pretty decent from what I've seen
[17:53] <Endafy> is that it?
[17:53] <Iota> Integral or Panasonic good brands?
[17:54] <Endafy> the only issue is that it has garbage
[17:54] <Endafy> like garbage white spots
[17:54] <Endafy> odd
[17:54] <zgreg> mkopack: newer firefox releases are ok, but firefox 4/5 are indeed pigs :)
[17:54] <Matt> you should see firefox's memory usage on this machine
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[17:54] <Matt> 20745 matt 20 0 1741m 857m 22m S 13 28.5 396:51.66 firefox
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[17:55] <Endafy> oh cool ill be replacing midori with firefox then
[17:55] <Matt> that's not going to play ball in a low memory environment
[17:55] <zgreg> well, you probably have lots and lots of tabs open
[17:55] <chronofast> links2 is a console based web browser, makes midori look bloated
[17:55] <Matt> zgreg: shhh :)
[17:55] <Endafy> lol @ links
[17:55] <Matt> chronofast: links, elinks, w3m, lynx
[17:55] <zgreg> and firefox still leaks a bit over time
[17:55] <Endafy> links3 is going to support html5
[17:55] <SocksG> telnet port 80
[17:55] <chronofast> yep
[17:55] <zgreg> plus, many add-ons are memory hogs and leak, too
[17:55] <OneFix_Work> Has anyone worked out the minimum price one would have to pay for a complete rPi system...keyboard+mouse+sd+power supply
[17:55] <BenO> Ah lynx - my first browser
[17:56] <Matt> SocksG: that too, although less practical for some things as you then need to parse the HTML :)
[17:56] <BenO> via a BBC dumb terminal
[17:56] <zgreg> but the most recent firefox release, without addons, is a pretty memory-efficient beast
[17:56] <Endafy> I wonder if I can get KDE working on this
[17:56] <Matt> telnet is a damn useful tool
[17:56] <zgreg> Matt: have you heard of netcat? :)
[17:56] <SocksG> Matt: And it's a pain trying to do the ssl calculations in your head when required.
[17:56] <Endafy> ill have to load kde 4.8.2 onto a hard drive and begin messing around lol
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[17:57] <Matt> zgreg: yup, also damn handy
[17:57] <Matt> especially when paired with tar
[17:57] <BenO> KDE on 128 Mb of RAM? That I'd like to see ;)
[17:57] <Endafy> 256mb ram
[17:57] <Matt> or cpio
[17:57] <BenO> Endafy, it gets split at boot
[17:57] <hotwings> people being disappointed their rpi isnt a full blown desktop should come as no surprise to anythong
[17:57] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: Don't forget ethernet cable, monitor
[17:57] <shirro_> If you can get chromium and firefox running together on a Pi, about:memory in chromium will show the usage of both browsers
[17:57] <hotwings> it was 100% expected, in mass numbers
[17:57] <Endafy> im not disappointed
[17:57] <Endafy> I just like to push the limits lol
[17:58] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Right. I'm willing to let the monitor thing slide, since most people have access to a TV
[17:58] <BenO> Endafy, You'd need to tinker with the boot config to give more RAM to the system
[17:58] <Endafy> and 256mb shared ram is more than enough for qt
[17:58] <mkopack> Endafy: Keep in mind depending upon which kernel you're running, a big chunk of your ram is used up with the GPU.
[17:58] <Endafy> right
[17:58] <triscuit> what's the cheapest server I could buy? (I don't need high performance) any ideas?
[17:58] <BenO> what mkopack said - default is a 50:50 split between GPU and CPU
[17:58] <zgreg> triscuit: a used desktop pc
[17:59] <OneFix_Work> triscuit: What do you need the server for?
[17:59] <Endafy> 1080p will work fine with 38~64mb video ram
[17:59] <Matt> triscuit: that's gonna depend on what you want to do
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> triscuit - a RPi?
[17:59] <Matt> and what it's going to serve :)
[17:59] <ReggieUK> soup
[17:59] <triscuit> just a proxy server
[17:59] <Endafy> even if I have to drop it to 1600x900
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> proxying what
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[17:59] <triscuit> internet
[17:59] <Matt> and is it to be a caching proxy
[18:00] <zgreg> H.264 decoding is very memory intensive
[18:00] <Matt> "internet" isn't terribly helpful
[18:00] <triscuit> traffic, no caching
[18:00] <Endafy> zgreg im installing kde not decoding video
[18:00] <Matt> are we talking http, ftp, socks, what? :)
[18:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> any old PC with debian , ubuntu , slackware will do what you want
[18:00] <triscuit> http
[18:00] <mkopack> triscuit: Also depends om how much traffic it has to handle...
[18:00] * Matt nods
[18:00] <triscuit> not very much
[18:01] <mkopack> Open server that anyone can hit that you're going to have maybe a 100 people banging on constnatly?
[18:01] <Matt> a used desktop is probably your most flexible option
[18:01] <mkopack> Or just something for you personally to use to access files?
[18:01] <Endafy> ok gave video 64mb ram and booting
[18:01] <triscuit> I know I could buy a used pc but was thinking something new and cheap would be possible
[18:01] <Endafy> look at that 1080p
[18:01] <chronofast> selection?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#WebKit-based
[18:01] <zgreg> the decoded picture buffer alone needs about 12MB at 1080p, level 4.1
[18:01] <Endafy> aha
[18:01] <Endafy> well ill drop it to 32 then
[18:01] <Matt> triscuit: pretty much anything *could* do it, so long as you don't care about speed :)
[18:01] <zgreg> Endafy: yeah, but just saying...
[18:01] <triscuit> open mkopack
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[18:02] <Endafy> I love it
[18:02] <mkopack> Well, all depends on what you're going to have it doing, how many people are hitting it.. Static pages vs Dynamic (or worse, database driven) etc.
[18:02] <Endafy> save the file, pull power then rehook power
[18:02] <triscuit> kind of want to have a raspberrypi do it :)
[18:02] <Matt> our proxy at uni was so chronically overloaded we honestly got worse transfer rates for http via the proxy than over dialup
[18:02] <fALSO> lol
[18:02] <Matt> seriously - getting 2k/sec wasn't unusual
[18:03] <Endafy> I am going to hook a switch to the red wire
[18:03] <BenO> Random bit of trivia - the Broadcom engineers that were developing the GPU side of things did run Quake 3 as a demo to try things out ;)
[18:03] <BenO> found that out from one of Eben's collegues last week
[18:03] <des2> We know the GPU is fast, its the CPU that isn't...
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[18:03] <OneFix_Work> triscuit: Ok, exactly why are you wanting to proxy traffic?
[18:04] <BenO> des2, Oh yeah - for Q3 it was the number of bots and explosions that limited the speed, not the detail :)
[18:04] <Endafy> des2 I am working happily @ 920mhz
[18:04] <Endafy> but it doesnt seem to want to go higher
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[18:04] <des2> Overclocker!
[18:04] <Endafy> you need to play with the voltage regulators
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[18:05] <shirro_> Seriously, at $35 who isn't going to at least try and overclock it. It is disposable hardware
[18:05] <Endafy> there is a howto
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[18:05] <hotwings> indeed shirro_
[18:05] <des2> It may be disposable at $35 but you'll have to wait a while for a replacement
[18:06] <Endafy> for a while
[18:06] <OneFix_Work> shirro_: It's also more likely to overclock better than a desktop CPU
[18:06] <Endafy> I hope the next version uses a cortex a9
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[18:06] <friggle> you can get 800Mhz with no overvolting on every unit I've tried
[18:06] <OneFix_Work> shirro_: Because the ARM processors are usually tuned for lower power usage
[18:06] <friggle> I don't try overvolting, but as I say Dom has had good success with 1Ghz. Do so at your own risk etc etc
[18:06] <Endafy> right
[18:06] <Endafy> I got it to 920
[18:06] <Endafy> mhz
[18:07] <shirro_> Isn't the 1176 core supposed to do from 800 to 1G according to Arm
[18:07] <friggle> Endafy: overvolted or not?
[18:07] * It_sean plans to run his raspi ( when he gets one ) at 1ghz
[18:07] <Endafy> after that it becomes a little warm
[18:07] <zgreg> overvolting shouldn't be very dangerous if you don't overdo it
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[18:07] <Endafy> right
[18:07] <zgreg> shirro_: that's the theoretical number, not rooted in reality
[18:07] <shirro_> I would definately overvolt my second one
[18:07] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: The difference is with ARM processors, you are talking millivolts rather than volts (like desktop chips)
[18:08] <zgreg> shirro_: cortex-a8 also goes "up to 2 ghz" according to arm, but no actual implementation achieves that
[18:08] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: of course
[18:08] <Endafy> why did you go with arm11 and not a cortex a8?
[18:08] <mkopack> friggle:would you recommend some sort of heat sink on it @ 1Ghz without the OV?
[18:08] <Endafy> mkopack heat isnt an issue
[18:08] <Endafy> it gets warm
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[18:09] <It_sean> I don't think you can get to 1ghz without OVing...
[18:09] <zgreg> Endafy: you mean the foundation? because they need an affordable SoC, and the BCM2835 fit the bill
[18:09] <It_sean> Can you?
[18:09] <friggle> mkopack: not my area of expertise, but I think there's been discussion on the forums with e.g. Gert about why cooling won't be effective
[18:09] <Endafy> but the warmer it gets the more unreliable it gets, it randomly reboots or freezes
[18:09] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Because performance was not the desired goal, price was...
[18:09] <mkopack> ah, probably because of the RAM chip being stacked on top
[18:09] <zgreg> Endafy: they can't really decide for what features they want, etc.
[18:09] <friggle> mkopack: indeed
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[18:09] <Endafy> OneFix_Work right but the cortex a8 would only be a couple bucks more
[18:09] <shirro_> does it have a temperature sensor in the soc?
[18:09] <Endafy> as in 3-4 dollar range
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[18:10] <zgreg> Endafy: you cannot simply replace the cpu...
[18:10] <Endafy> I know
[18:10] <zgreg> this is not how it works with SoCs
[18:10] <Endafy> I am talking about why didnt they use cortex
[18:10] <Endafy> price blah blah the a11 is seriously only a couple dollars cheaper than the cortex a8
[18:10] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: That's not the point. The Broadcom chip they used is a SOC...it contains way more than just the CPU
[18:11] <It_sean> Thy used the cheapest chip they could. The overriding goal in building the raspi is to keep the cost down to a minimum
[18:11] <friggle> Endafy: you need an SoC in mass production with a price similar to the bcm2835
[18:11] <Endafy> aha
[18:11] <zgreg> well, probably because the use cases the SoC was designed for doesn't need much CPU brute
[18:11] <Endafy> right
[18:11] <Endafy> I gues that makes a little sense
[18:11] <zgreg> s/doesn't/don't/
[18:11] <Endafy> but if I had to pay $40 instead of $35 I wouldnt have complained
[18:11] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Presumably, Broadcom will eventually make a SOC that uses a faster processor and the foundation may revise their design
[18:11] <Endafy> right
[18:11] <zgreg> look where it's to be found, usually -- in media playback boxes like the roku 2
[18:11] <zgreg> they don't need much cpu performance at all
[18:12] <BenO> and a few new nokia's
[18:12] <DJWillis> Endafy: unit cost and lots of other factors, choice of maker and fab costs, and no, it is NOT as simple as talking about 100,000 unit volume prices on the SoC and the like.
[18:12] <Endafy> right
[18:12] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: they already have one. pretty similar to the BCM2835, but features an a8.
[18:12] <Endafy> ^
[18:12] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: but it's probably a whole lot more expensive
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[18:12] <shirro_> Endafy: the foundation wants cheap units for school kids and the hobbyist market is a bonus. More likely someone else will put out cheap higher spec things. Allwinner A10 stuff etc
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[18:13] <Endafy> even the cortex a7
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[18:13] <friggle> I'm looking forward to seeing the rumored cheap allwinner a10 based boards
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[18:13] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Right, but an extra $5 is going to make a big difference to a school that wants to provide them to students
[18:13] <Endafy> right
[18:13] <zgreg> friggle: you won't see it
[18:14] <zgreg> friggle: it's a single nerd's pipe dream
[18:14] <friggle> zgreg: there's bound to be something cheap and easily hackable with the A10 though
[18:14] <zgreg> yes, but the board from "rhombus tech" will never be available, I'm pretty sure of that
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[18:15] <friggle> I don't know much about them, so no comment. I know I'd like to see projects like that succeed
[18:15] <zgreg> it's not so much "them", this company is a single person :D
[18:16] <zgreg> and the promises for that a10 board are taken out of thin air
[18:16] <Endafy> I gues my only question is ram, why so little, this isnt a price issue
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[18:16] <Endafy> we are talking pennies of difference between 512mb and 256
[18:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> POP memory is expensive
[18:16] <Endafy> aha
[18:16] <friggle> Endafy: it is a price issue
[18:17] <Endafy> how much more would 512 have been
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[18:17] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: The point is that the Broadcom chip they used probably doesn't have a 512mb version
[18:17] <Endafy> ahh
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[18:17] <friggle> Endafy: note how the model As are now 256, because there was basically negligible price difference
[18:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> woould make it more than $35
[18:17] <friggle> OneFix_Work: no, the PoP RAM is from a separate vendor
[18:17] <friggle> Endafy: I've been told, and it's been said on the forums that 512MB PoP RAM in the desired size simply wasn't available in volume for a remotely reasonable price
[18:18] <shirro_> Endafy: I suspect it is an older memory type and so 512 version doesn't have quanitity for low price as everyone has move on to something faster and bigger. Not just bigger.
[18:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> 512MB is the most it can cope with - and we may get to see that
[18:18] <Endafy> right
[18:18] <Endafy> well next version may have better chipset which will allow for way more than mb
[18:18] <OneFix_Work> RaTTuS|BIG: I would expect a v2 before upgrading the memory...
[18:18] <chronofast> ostatic: http://ostatic.com/blog/first-wave-of-raspberry-pi-units-arriving-in-users-hands
[18:19] <Endafy> not a complaint really but KDE is taking forever to compile lol
[18:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[18:19] <zgreg> it's LPDDR, and yes most SoC designs have moved to LPDDR2
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[18:21] <zgreg> which reminds me... my desktop still uses DDR2... no upgrades for reasonable price possible :/
[18:21] <Endafy> sure there is lol
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[18:22] <Endafy> get a new board lol
[18:22] <Endafy> in all fairness I am using a 1366 socket and cant get the i7
[18:22] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Also, keep in mind that Broadcom had to agree to license the chips to the foundation at the low price that they did...they may not be so likely to sell them a newer, higher end SOC because other companies may see it as competing with their product
[18:22] <hotwings> ddr3 was cheap last time i checked prices
[18:23] <Endafy> OneFix_Work now that makes sense
[18:23] <Endafy> broadcom is getting niver to the open source community as of late
[18:23] <Endafy> nicer*
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[18:23] <Endafy> well I am going to let this compile I need to clean my house
[18:23] * SpeedEvil looks at the two GPL violating BCM devices.
[18:24] <Endafy> lol
[18:24] <Endafy> I said nicer
[18:24] <Endafy> as in nicer than they were
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:24] <Endafy> its like MS open sourcing Windows, not going to happen
[18:24] <Endafy> but they may make office for Linux
[18:24] <Endafy> im not ever going to trust broadcom
[18:25] <Iota> Back with 2 new cards. Lets hope these work better.
[18:25] <Endafy> they should
[18:25] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Yea, but if company A is selling a device that is essentially the same as the rPi and is paying me $40 per chip and the rPi foundation wants to use the same chip and pay me $20 per chip...even if my cost is only say $10 per chip, there are several scenarios where continuing to sell the chip to the manufacturer paying $40 is a better strategy.
[18:25] <Endafy> like I said I used a 2gig old card and it didnt boot
[18:26] <hotwings> Iota - which brands did you go with
[18:26] <Endafy> OneFix_Work right and they are probably required to make it @700mhz
[18:26] <Endafy> sure it can run at much higher but laws require lower speeds
[18:27] <Iota> They only had one brand in the store. :( Integral. I got a SDHC Class 4 and a 2GB no-class SD card (Wiki page seemed to think those work and it was cheap as chips).
[18:27] <Endafy> I probably should have downloaded all the .tgz files for KDE before make
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[18:27] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Not exactly, that particular chip was originally aimed at the set top box market...the GPU is able to do all of the video decoding, so the CPU isn't taxed as much.
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[18:28] <Endafy> aha
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[18:28] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: The rPi uses the same SOC as the Roku 2
[18:28] <Endafy> well at least we know that n64 and psx emulators will be working lol
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[18:29] <Endafy> well why not design the OS to run on the gpu
[18:29] <fALSO> LOL
[18:29] <fALSO> enjoy the blobs
[18:29] <Endafy> only offputting the math code to the proc
[18:29] <shirro_> Endafy: you can push a lot more of the ui to the GPU than is normally done on linux.
[18:30] <hotwings> im not sure how math-intensive an os is
[18:30] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Well, because some things can be done faster by the GPU, but it's really a specialized part
[18:30] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: You wouldn't (for instance) be doing any IO operations with the GPU
[18:31] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - you also pay a price for moving data to/from the gpu so while a gpu may do certain calculations faster, you may not get the result faster
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[18:31] <OneFix_Work> Endafy: Presumably, you could write modules for Python/Perl that would allow the programmers to offload some of their operations as desired
[18:32] <shirro_> If you OS consists entirely of ray marching demos you will be laughing. There is no gpgpu access on the Pi
[18:33] <OneFix_Work> shirro_: Well, I thought I read that Broadcom may eventually open up some of the operations for the GPU on the rPi
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[18:34] <ghans> in the meantime you can use OpenGL ES - has been done on the iPhone
[18:34] <ghans> ?
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[18:34] <zgreg> opengl es is _crap_ for gpgpu stuff
[18:34] <zgreg> really!
[18:35] <zgreg> it's horribly restricted in many ways, compared to real gpgpu frameworks like opencl
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[18:35] <ghans> arent we at "it is not impossible !" ; -)
[18:36] <BenO> just fyi, main twitter site is unusable on RPi+Midori - but m.twitter.com works fine ;)
[18:36] <ghans> somebody posted i nice link on the forum , thats why i asked
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[18:36] <shirro_> Yeah, you can run gpgpu on the pi the same at you can run ICS and Windows. Not technically impossible
[18:36] <zgreg> not impossible, but only useful for very few tasks, and even those might not be faster on the gpu due to the restrictions
[18:37] <ghans> i would like a special place where GPGPU experts could collaborate
[18:37] <mkopack> Yeah, just running something on the GPU isn't a panacea solution to all performance problems
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[18:37] <ghans> kinda like a sourceforge for RPi
[18:37] <mkopack> You have to have something that can be parallelized well, and with small-ish memory requirements per calculation
[18:37] <zgreg> unfortunately that's how many people are "selling" it
[18:38] <zgreg> like, it doesn't matter that the cpu is slow, the pi has a powerful gpu
[18:38] <ghans> no folding@home ?
[18:38] <zgreg> it does NOT work like that, at all
[18:38] <mkopack> For the right kinds of problems, it CAN make a huge difference, but for others, it can actually be slower
[18:38] <ghans> good to know
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[18:39] <zgreg> mkopack: yeah, that's a general truth for gpgpu, but the point is that on the pi it's much worse :)
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[18:39] <zgreg> did you know, for example, that opengl es does not support integer math? :)
[18:39] <ghans> what i was saying gpgpu experts need a space for their own
[18:39] <mkopack> yeah, especially given the lack of a true GPGPU API for it
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[18:39] <ghans> where they can share their results of pi hacking
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[18:40] <mkopack> ghans: Set up a Pi-Forge site :)
[18:40] <mkopack> thing is though, the PI is just another ARM based Linux platform???
[18:40] <ghans> i'd like to
[18:40] <mkopack> So there's little that would be specific to Pi that wouldn't also work on pretty much any other Linux.
[18:40] <ghans> but no idea how
[18:41] <ghans> the binary blobs are specific ?
[18:41] <mkopack> yes, but the API to interact with them are standard (hence the OpenGL ES, etc.)
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[18:42] <ghans> hmm .. "time will tell"
[18:42] <ghans> but something like piforge sounds good to me
[18:43] <BenO> heh, also in the debian image, the bash history isn't empty ;)
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[18:43] <mkopack> I mean, the biggest issue will be changing the build scripts and such for a number of the normal Open Source packages so the code will compile and be optimized for the RPi's ARMv6 instruction set, with or without hardfloat...
[18:44] <mkopack> BenO: You running the new one or the original release?
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[18:44] <ghans> mkopack : is this for every distro ?
[18:45] <BenO> mkopack, the 'new' 13/04 debian image
[18:45] <Hexxeh> just got home, UPS left my second pi here
[18:45] <Hexxeh> huge box for such a tiny board...!
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[18:45] <mkopack> hehe nice
[18:46] <chronofast> now make them kiss!
[18:46] <Matt> Hexxeh: you should see the size of the box qlogic shipped us a single HBA in
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[18:47] <zgreg> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2011/02/dell-screws-2011.jpg
[18:47] <zgreg> this is wasteful packaging :)
[18:47] <Matt> one dual port 8Gb FC HBA, which is packaged in a plastic clamshell container inside a small cardboard box, prolly less than an inch thick and maybe 8x5
[18:47] <Iota> WHEY! It's booted first time with my new SDHC card.
[18:48] <Matt> this was placed, without any additional packaging, in a box that must've been about 24x24x30
[18:48] <Iota> Optima SDHC Class 4, 8GB. No workie.
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[18:49] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/FsP3
[18:49] <Hexxeh> Bottom one is #167
[18:49] <Hexxeh> What's the lowest one seen so far?
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[18:50] <mkopack> Top one?
[18:50] <mkopack> ???. heheh 7??? The one Andy was playing with :)
[18:50] <Hexxeh> Top one is 1266
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[18:50] <Hexxeh> Interestingly the top one was the first one I got as a dev
[18:50] <Iota> Where's the number?
[18:51] <mkopack> eh, probably just luck of the draw which box of 50 Eben pulled off the pallet in which order
[18:51] <Hexxeh> Yeah
[18:51] <Hexxeh> Iota: on the back
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[18:51] <Hexxeh> last 4 digits
[18:52] <Iota> 0267
[18:52] <Iota> \o/
[18:52] <Hexxeh> nice :)
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[18:52] <zgreg> where are you guys located, btw?
[18:52] <Matt> what'll be intresting is what the next batch of boards look like
[18:52] <Iota> England.
[18:52] <Hexxeh> England
[18:53] <mkopack> Matt: Next back should look the same - they're the remaining 8K from the first 10K
[18:53] <zgreg> I wonder if people in the UK are prioritized
[18:53] <zgreg> that would suck for me :)
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[18:53] <ghans> they're just near to HQ
[18:54] <Hexxeh> naw, some other european folks got them today
[18:54] <Hexxeh> saw someone on twitter from the netherlands get one
[18:54] <Hexxeh> another french guy
[18:54] <Hexxeh> etc
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[18:54] <Hexxeh> i bet they're shipping a batch over to the US directly
[18:54] <ghans> cool , must've missed them
[18:54] <Hexxeh> and then distributing that batch from the US rather than sending separately in the UK
[18:54] <zgreg> damn, I want to have my pi
[18:55] <hotwings> i checked my newark order earlier.. still showing aug.16 ship date, which we know is crap
[18:55] <hotwings> i didnt bother calling them about it
[18:55] <zgreg> hotwings: same, but it's farnell here
[18:55] <mkopack> Eh, when mine arrives it arrives??? I'll live.. Would have been nice to get it before the mid-May Atlanta Robotics Club meeting, but if it doesn't, I'll live
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[18:55] <hotwings> ditto mkopack
[18:55] <mkopack> hotwings: Likewise???
[18:56] <zgreg> well, I'd really like to work on X acceleration, that's a nice challenge
[18:56] <OY1R> i take it someone here has a rasperry pi hihi. i'd like to know if and how well Fldigi runs on a rasperry, anyone here tried that ?
[18:56] <ghans> is anyone chatting fo
[18:56] <mkopack> zgreg: set up a project for it and get others working together on it. Seems stupid to do it on your own when so many others are wanting to do the same thing.. work smarter, not harder :)
[18:56] <ghans> rom api right now ?
[18:57] <BenO> OY1R, fldigi is in the debian arm repoitories so the software side of things might
[18:57] <ghans> mkopack : thats what i wnted to say
[18:57] <BenO> I'm having a little trouble with devices that draw a lot of USB current though (at least that is the common aspect to them)
[18:57] <BenO> eg kinect and a large HD
[18:57] <zgreg> mkopack: well, there's little point to it without a board in my hand
[18:58] <mkopack> Beno: You need to use a powered USB Hub for stuff like that
[18:58] <hotwings> is there any intention of merging the rpi-specific stuff into the linux kernel?
[18:58] <mkopack> The RPi only puts out like 100ma on the USB ports
[18:58] <Matt> mkopack: with "next" meaning after the first 10k :)
[18:58] <Hexxeh> zgreg: want one setup with a webcam pointed at it and ssh? :P
[18:58] <mkopack> ie: Just enough for a mouse or KB
[18:58] <BenO> mkopack, yes, I should have made it clear that I didn't expect it to work without a powered hub! :)
[18:59] <ghans> BenO : tell us your results !
[18:59] <BenO> OY1R, so as long as the ham radio hw can be powered separately, you should be okay
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[18:59] <BenO> ghans, so far, most of the morning has been spent looking for an SD card I can reliably boot from :)
[19:00] <ghans> BenO : after testing , of course - i have a powered hub laying around
[19:00] <ghans> haha
[19:00] <OY1R> BenO, yes the hamradio gear is self powered, BUT it would need an external UB soundcard tho, i guess the pi could handle that rght ?
[19:00] <BenO> mpd seems to install fine - about to try music...
[19:00] <OY1R> USB*
[19:00] <ghans> OY1R : yes
[19:00] <hotwings> BenO - try what people really wanna know, ... how xbmc + media runs! ;)
[19:01] <des2> All order systems should have the ability to show 'whenever' as a shipping date.
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[19:01] <hotwings> des - or 'lol'
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[19:03] <ghans> BenO: you are chatting form a pi now ?
[19:03] <hotwings> How to calculate your Raspberry Pi ship date: 1) Get 13-month calendar. 2) Throw a dart at it. 3) The date it lands on will be your ship date. *If it doesn't ship then, go to step 1.
[19:03] <BenO> ghans, no but I tweeted from it earlier ;)
[19:03] <BenO> will try irssi or similar on it now! ;)
[19:04] <mkopack> Yeah, the crying and whining on the forums about "when's MINE coming" is already getting annoying
[19:04] <Caver> well it was always a danger
[19:04] <ghans> we had it coming ..
[19:04] <Caver> the ebay prices are already scarry
[19:05] <ghans> hmm
[19:05] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-ModelB-Brand-New-in-Box-/140739793135?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item20c4bed0ef
[19:06] <des2> Wow.
[19:06] <mkopack> OMG.. I LOVE seeing all these preloaded OS SD cards??? Going for WAY more than they're worth
[19:06] <BenO> Hmm can't seem to get mplayer/etc to find any audio out
[19:06] <ghans> i thought the foundation would sell some themselves ?
[19:06] <Hexxeh> zgreg: offer there if you want it
[19:06] <des2> That was the old plan.
[19:06] <BenO> were there any notes on audio out (3.5mm jack) for the debian img>
[19:06] <BenO> ?
[19:06] <Hexxeh> i have a spare i can leave setup for you to work on if you're serious about writing x11 drivers
[19:06] <chronofast> i love that they are being sold on ebay, and did you even see that a couple of them are going to donate a portion of the profits back to the foundation on top of the initial $35
[19:06] <des2> I think that went out the window.
[19:06] <ghans> BenO: the old image ?
[19:06] <AdrianG> lol preloaded OS sd cards
[19:07] <cjbaird> chronofast: you believe that?
[19:07] <AdrianG> mkopack: how much are they going on for
[19:07] <BenO> ghans, new image (13/04/12)
[19:07] <hotwings> wow @ that ebay link.. who the HELL would pay $200+ for an rpi? no way man
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[19:07] <mkopack> 4GB with Fedora on it for $15.
[19:07] <mkopack> LOL
[19:07] <AdrianG> lol
[19:07] <chronofast> why wouldn't I?
[19:07] <mkopack> I got a 16GB for that and loaded it myself thanks
[19:07] <AdrianG> who buys that stuff
[19:07] <BenO> The scary thing is, someone will
[19:07] <ghans> BenO: is that bad ?
[19:07] <mkopack> $200 for a $35 computer if you just wait another couple weeks
[19:08] <ghans> BenO: alsa support is rudimentary
[19:08] <hotwings> i bet people will pay super-ridiculous prices for low serial number rpis
[19:08] <AdrianG> mkopack: are there 64gb microsds yet
[19:08] <chronofast> $50,000 for a new car or wait 15 years....
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[19:08] <AdrianG> mkopack: u can buy an android phone with 5 inch screen for 200 bucks
[19:08] <mkopack> AdrianG: Better off just getting a USB HD at that point
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[19:08] <AdrianG> and a 1ghz cpu
[19:08] <AdrianG> mkopack: for my phone
[19:08] <AdrianG> kind of unproductive with a usb hdd plugged into it.
[19:09] <mkopack> I ALMOST bought a 32GB Patriot Torqx 2 SSD this weekend for the RPi??? Fry's had it for $29, after $50 MIR...
[19:09] <AdrianG> damn
[19:09] <mkopack> But after looking up the specs/benchmarks on it, I couldn't see the point.
[19:09] <AdrianG> good price.
[19:09] <mkopack> It is SLOOOOW
[19:09] <AdrianG> idk about specs/benchmarsk
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[19:09] <BenO> no alsa, oss, pulseaudio, jack access by default it seems...
[19:09] <AdrianG> mkopack: doesnt matter for phones
[19:09] <BenO> what gives?
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[19:09] <AdrianG> its not like phones are operating at blazing speeds
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[19:10] <piless> mkopack: You definitely don't want to cheap out on ssds
[19:11] <mkopack> yeah, but it seemed rather slow for a 32GB SSD for the Rpi (or my PandaboardES) and I'd have to still buy an external enclosure
[19:11] <hotwings> i thought alsa worked on rpi
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[19:11] <ghans> BenO: may change soon
[19:11] <mkopack> hotwings: the new debian port has ALPHA level drivers for it
[19:11] <piless> mkopack: Cheap ssds have shit seeds. They also have much higher failure rates than hdds
[19:11] <piless> *speeds
[19:11] <mkopack> yeah, that's why I figured I'd save my $$$
[19:11] <mkopack> $29 is cheap, but I'd have to wait on that $50 MIR
[19:11] <mkopack> If it was instant $50 rebate then I'd have done it
[19:12] <hotwings> cheap ssd = cheap controller
[19:12] <BenO> hotwings, there may be alsa drivers for it but they don't seem to be present in the official debian build atm
[19:12] <piless> The only benefit of ssds at the moment is the amazing speed. Which you don't get with cheap ones.
[19:12] <BenO> official rpi build anyway
[19:12] <haltdef_> yes you do
[19:12] <chronofast> the ocz vertex 2 was under $1 a GB like a week ago, might still be
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[19:12] <piless> Although I suppose you could wave an ssd around a lot more without breaking it
[19:12] <mkopack> the new debian build from the other day supposedly has ALPHA level ALSA support
[19:12] <haltdef_> even low end SSDs will kick the ass of a regular 7200rpm hdd
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[19:12] <shirro_> BenO: modprobe snd_bcm2835
[19:13] <piless> imo opinion the only worthwhile ssds at the moment are the intel ones
[19:13] <piless> oops
[19:13] <piless> ugh. that's like saying atm machine
[19:13] <piless> fuck I hate myself now.
[19:13] <hotwings> ssd brand doesnt matter.. its all about the controller.. thats what you need to pay attention to
[19:13] <shirro_> Ben64: your kernel config.gz shows a sound module was compiled. you may just need to load it
[19:13] <BenO> rebooting - will give it a go
[19:14] <haltdef_> seems intel's sandforce based ssd is the one to get atm
[19:14] <piless> hotwings: What are the good controllers?
[19:14] <shirro_> check lsmod to see if it is loaded first perhaps
[19:14] <AdrianG> haltdef_: have u tried them
[19:14] <mkopack> http://www.frys.com/product/6799815;jsessionid=fdT00hody-7uJ496FJditw__.node2?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[19:14] <mkopack> That's the one in questin
[19:14] <haltdef_> no, just seen healthy performance improvements over other sandforce based drives
[19:14] <haltdef_> vertex 4 is one to keep an eye on as well, indilinx making a comeback
[19:15] <haltdef_> iirc random read performance was epic but writes weren't brilliant
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[19:15] <piless> mkopack: why is it so cheap?
[19:15] <piless> mkopack: are they just trying to get rid of stock or what?
[19:15] <mkopack> Probably being EOL'ed
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[19:15] <BenO> shirro_, mplayer coredumps with new snd module
[19:15] <BenO> will attempt to capture it
[19:16] <mkopack> the 64GB is $69 after $30 MIR
[19:16] <piless> mkopack: Fuck that. a small ssd is perfect. What you do is stick your OS on your ssd and then all your media on hdd. Perfect set up
[19:16] <mkopack> sure, IF you have room for 2 drives???
[19:17] <mkopack> Only 1 spot on my laptop (which already has a 120GB Samsung SSD thanks)
[19:17] <piless> mkopack: What desktop setup only has space for 1 3.5?
[19:17] <mkopack> I was thinking about this for the PandaBoard or RPi
[19:17] <piless> daaaamn it's a 2.5?
[19:18] <BenO> shirro_, correction - mplayer just fails - kernel ooops all over the primary terminal
[19:18] <piless> mkopack: Useless for the pi. You'd be limited by usb 2 anyway
[19:18] <piless> mkopack: What you need is a device with e-sata, like some of the sheevaplugs
[19:18] <mkopack> exactly??? I figured it might be faster than the SD though...
[19:18] <chronofast> wouldn't be bad as a strictly os/cache drive
[19:18] <shirro_> BenO: nice :-) well it is a developer release. that one should keep the media center guys happy
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[19:19] <mkopack> I still might go pick it up??? Frys is only 2 miles from my house
[19:19] <ghans> shirro_: how is that ?
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[19:19] <haltdef_> I'm not sure if you'd get much performance out of it over usb2 on a slow ARM board
[19:19] <piless> mkopack: I have a mission for you. Go find me a cheap ssd in the uk
[19:20] <mkopack> LOL, I'm not IN the UK, so that might be difficult :)
[19:20] <piless> It's a mission dude
[19:20] <haltdef_> oh, how's your panda-based sheldonbot coming along?
[19:20] <chronofast> downers grove?
[19:21] <haltdef_> piless, looked for an indilinx barefoot drive?
[19:21] <haltdef_> older but solid controller
[19:21] <shirro_> ghans: anyone wanting to run one of these as a media center at this stage is obviously a masochist. so a kernel oops on media player will be just the flagellation they need.
[19:21] <piless> haltdef_: Is that the controller or the brand name?
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[19:21] <haltdef_> controller
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[19:22] <piless> haltdef_: What about this one? http://www.ebuyer.com/268239-ocz-60gb-agility-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-60g
[19:22] <friggle> shirro_: xbmc is fairly usable
[19:22] <mkopack> haltdef_: Hell, no time to work on it thanks to school??? Spent all weekend working on my first Ray Tracer assignment
[19:22] <haltdef_> fuck me that's cheap
[19:22] <piless> That's the best cheapest I can be bothered to find on ebuyer
[19:22] <haltdef_> I have a 120GB vertex 3, same controller as that just faster (and more) NAND
[19:23] <haltdef_> whack the latest firmware on it though, SF have had issues in the past
[19:23] <zgreg> Hexxeh: that might be interesting
[19:23] <shirro_> friggle: mplayer oopsing the kernel isn't real good though
[19:23] <piless> It has firmware?
[19:23] <haltdef_> I've not experienced any issues but they do exist, sorted in newer firmwares
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[19:23] <friggle> shirro_: no, sounds like it's related to the alpha quality alsa driver though
[19:23] <Hexxeh> zgreg: let me know :)
[19:24] <zgreg> what's the audio quality like, by the way?
[19:24] <piless> haltdef_: Is sata 3 backwards compatible?
[19:24] <shirro_> friggle: Can you do audio though openmax il as well or is that just for video decode?
[19:24] <friggle> shirro_: sure, there's even an example in /opt/vc/src
[19:24] <mkopack> yes
[19:25] <zgreg> shirro_: for video decode/presentation only
[19:25] <zgreg> as far as I know
[19:25] <mkopack> piless: yes. Sata3 is bak compat with 2 or 1
[19:25] <piless> mkopack: So it will work if I shove it in my 2 year old laptop?
[19:25] <friggle> zgreg: no, you could get whatever you want to output audio using openmax...just you'd be much more sensible to use ALSA like everyone else :)
[19:25] <mkopack> yup
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[19:25] <piless> mkopack: Fuuuuck, I'm so tempted.
[19:25] <mkopack> just own't be at the same xfer speeds that they list for SATA3, that's all
[19:25] <zgreg> friggle: really, they implemented some openmax support for audio? :D
[19:26] <mkopack> SATA 1 = 150 max, 2= 300 max, 3 = 600 Max
[19:26] <friggle> zgreg: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio
[19:26] <ghans> slightly relavant : how much does USB devices put a load on the CPU : 1 soundcard , 1 wifi dongle
[19:26] <friggle> zgreg: I don't think there are any audio licenses though. It's just until recently, that was the only way to get audio output
[19:26] <piless> mkopack: I don't know if I'll be able to cope downgrading from a 500gb 5400rpm
[19:26] <zgreg> friggle: yeah, that's what I'm getting at. it's pretty useless without actual audio decoding
[19:26] <piless> mkopack: Plus my cpu/memory must be a bigger bottleneck than my hdd speed riiight?
[19:26] <zgreg> nobody is going to use openmax only for output
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[19:27] <friggle> zgreg: well as I say, until Dom wrote the alsa driver they were
[19:27] <piless> Why is this room so popular today? Has it come out?
[19:27] <zgreg> piless: in fact, yes
[19:28] <shirro_> why couldn't you use openmax for audio. nobody uses alsa directly anyway it is all gstreamer and pulseaudio etc
[19:28] <piless> zgreg: Farnell hasn't emailed me those fucks.
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[19:28] <friggle> plenty use ALSA directly
[19:28] <ghans> piless: USb puts load on the CPU ?
[19:28] <friggle> but yeah, another approach would be to have an alsa module or pulseaudio or gstreameer module with an openmax backend
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[19:29] <BenO> shirro_, yep - confirmed that the kernel oops comes from a line of modules that include the snd_bcm driver - shame, as I wanted to play with mpd type stuff today :)
[19:29] <piless> ghans: I was wondering about the benefits of getting a sdd being overshadowed by my shitty core2duo
[19:29] <zgreg> again, I wonder: audio quality over the analog output?
[19:29] <piless> *ssd
[19:30] <ghans> zgreg: there had been some last-minute adjustments
[19:30] <mkopack> piless: Dopn't know about that??? Last summer when the battery on my 2007 Macbook finally tanked, I decided to do a big upgrade- new battery, went from 7200 RPM 120GB HD to 120GB SATA1 (all this MB has) Samsung SSD, 3GB Ram to 4GB...
[19:30] <mkopack> Feels like a totally new machine. STUPID fast
[19:30] <mkopack> Now, if I go and do something that's just serious CPU processing ,then yes, no faster than before, but int terms of overall system snappiness and performance, it feels WAY faster
[19:30] <mkopack> I probably won't replace this machine now for at least another 3 years
[19:30] <zgreg> the DAC is a very special construction, so everything is possible :D
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[19:30] <Hexxeh> zgreg: I've not tested audio yet i'm afraid
[19:30] <mjr> zgreg, I have these extra special cables that'll get you super quality over the analog audio plug, only $4995
[19:30] <mkopack> piless: Dopn't know about that??? Last summer when the battery on my 2007 Macbook finally tanked, I decided to do a big upgrade- new battery, went from 7200 RPM 120GB HD to 120GB SATA1 (all this MB has) Samsung SSD, 3GB Ram to 4GB...
[19:30] <piless> mkopack: I've heard you get amazing load times for everything
[19:30] <mkopack> Feels like a totally new machine. STUPID fast
[19:31] <shirro_> the openmax thing is new to me. this board uses v4l and I can do overlays etc. can you do video overlays with the Pi?
[19:31] <zgreg> mjr: oh great
[19:31] <mkopack> Now, if I go and do something that's just serious CPU processing ,then yes, no faster than before, but int terms of overall system snappiness and performance, it feels WAY faster
[19:31] <mkopack> I probably won't replace this machine now for at least another 3 years
[19:31] <friggle> BenO: yeah, it's very early days for the alsa driver. A reproducible crash is probably helpful though
[19:31] <BenO> friggle, I'm trying to work out how to capture the oops as it is reproducible
[19:32] <ghans> i thought "CD quality" was announced ?
[19:32] <piless> mkopack: Hmm.. actually, all my games and stuff on steam are way over 60gb, win 7 would take up 15-25gb or w/e.. I think I'll wait until I can afford a desktop
[19:32] <BenO> friggle, also, you might want to note that people should check their volumes for the hello_audio test - the sine siren gave me a jolt
[19:32] <BenO> !
[19:32] <friggle> BenO: well if we can just tell Dom exactly what you do to cause the crash that's probably as useful, as he can add extra debugging and check serial output etc
[19:33] <zgreg> ghans: well, the pi uses PWM and a simple low-pass filter
[19:33] <friggle> BenO: yeah, I had a similar experience testing sound with aplay < /dev/urandom :)
[19:33] <piless> mkopack: I wish you could get a 2nd hdd on laptops instead of the cd drive, just like on the mac minis
[19:33] <zgreg> ghans: "CD quality", what does that even mean?
[19:33] <chronofast> bit rate
[19:33] <ghans> i do not know
[19:33] <BenO> friggle, I've apt-get'd alsa-base and mplayer - trying to play audio will lead to an oops a certain time after mplayer fails
[19:33] <BenO> specifically mp3
[19:34] <piless> zgreg: look up cd quality on wikipedia, there are some specs which were standardised for cd quality by sony or w/e in 90's
[19:34] <zgreg> ghans: in any case, the way audio is generated is kind of a cheap hack
[19:34] <ghans> zgreg: ok
[19:34] <zgreg> it's probably not "CD quality", no matter what definition is used
[19:34] <friggle> BenO: probably best thing to do is report it on github, as it is a kernel oops you're gettin
[19:34] <chronofast> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate#Audio
[19:34] <piless> cd quality has a 44.1 kHz sample rate
[19:35] <BenO> friggle, okay will replicate on ssh terminal as I cannot for the life of me remember where oops are logged
[19:35] <shirro_> zgreg: you are talking about the analog audio though, not the hdmi digital stuff?
[19:35] <zgreg> but that does not tell you anything about actual signal to noise ratio, or general quality, etc.
[19:35] <zgreg> shirro_: yes
[19:36] <zgreg> there's definitely more to "CD quality" than 44.1 khz 16-bit pcm stereo
[19:36] <shirro_> shirro_: isn't that a bit like complaining about the composite video? nobody is going to use it if they want quality
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[19:36] <piless> zgreg: Just giving an example of one of the requirements for the specification
[19:37] <zgreg> probably the analog audio output is quite noisy, and not linear
[19:37] <Hexxeh> i wonder, can the hdmi on the raspberry pi output more than 1920x1080?
[19:37] <piless> Hexxeh: the gpu would explode
[19:37] <zgreg> the maximum should be 1920x1200
[19:37] <ghans> zgreg: well that sounds quite bad
[19:37] <zgreg> that's what standard HDMI is capable of
[19:38] <mjr> x1200 would be excellent, since I have that sort of monitor vacant...
[19:38] <zgreg> ghans: well, it's cheap though :D
[19:38] <zgreg> ghans: no DAC required, really
[19:38] <piless> Wow the pi sucks, it should at least be capable of UHDTV
[19:39] <ghans> yeah , understand
[19:39] <zgreg> I'm not even sure the filter in the pi is active, might be a simple passive RC low-pass!
[19:39] <piless> I can't stand watching anything under 4320p
[19:40] <Hexxeh> i have a box that converts hdmi to mini displayport
[19:40] <Hexxeh> but it doesn't do scaling
[19:40] <zgreg> hmm I don't see anything resembling an op-amp on the mainboard, so yes it's probably passive :D
[19:40] <Hexxeh> so if you use it with an imac 27"
[19:41] <Hexxeh> you can't get 1920x1080, since the panel doesn't accept that
[19:41] <Hexxeh> you can do 1280x170
[19:41] <Hexxeh> *1280x720
[19:41] <piless> x170?
[19:41] <Hexxeh> wondering if it'll run at the full 2560x1440
[19:41] <piless> super super widescreen
[19:41] <Matt> 1280x170 - that's quite the display :)
[19:41] <mjr> Hexxeh, almost certainly not
[19:41] <friggle> Hexxeh: indeed, it won't
[19:41] <Matt> maybe like those displays at sports stadiums
[19:41] <friggle> Hexxeh: is that not dual-link DVI?
[19:41] <Matt> that go around the stands
[19:42] <Hexxeh> friggle: no, it's mini-displayport
[19:42] <Hexxeh> friggle: no worries, just wondered
[19:42] <piless> Matt: Maybe it's scrolling display
[19:42] <mjr> with dvi, you need dual link for that. Newer hdmis support that over a single link though. But I don't think the pi does. (If it does, tell me ;)
[19:42] <zgreg> it does not
[19:43] <piless> it does
[19:43] <zgreg> err, no
[19:43] <piless> liz told me
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[19:44] <Iota> Thanks for all the help earlier guys. It's all working well now. :-D
[19:44] <Matt> piless: honestly now :P
[19:44] <mjr> piless, are we still talking about the same thing? (2560x1440/1600)
[19:44] <piless> mjr: I was talking about 4320p
[19:44] <mjr> I see
[19:44] <mjr> carry on
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[19:45] <piless> 7,680 ?? 4,320
[19:45] * mjr is prepared to not have the Pi drive his 30"
[19:45] <Matt> mjr: just drive it at 800x600 :)
[19:45] <piless> the new reds support 6k
[19:46] <mjr> yeah let's not
[19:46] <piless> Matt: Wrong aspect ratio
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[19:46] <Matt> I actually find the output from my little netbook outputting a VGA signal, fed into our tv, playing SD mpeg2 video recorded by my pvr350 to be acceptable
[19:47] <piless> Matt: Yeah but you're blind, so you don't count
[19:48] <hetOrakel> ha! anyone compiled linvdr on the pi?
[19:49] <Matt> anyone with a pi there want to see what sort of ethernet throughput it can manage?
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[19:50] <zgreg> Matt: well, almost 100 mbps
[19:51] <zgreg> ethernet alone isn't an issue, it'll get interesting if there's a USB HDD attached where the data comes from
[19:51] <Matt> quite - that's partly my thinking
[19:51] <zgreg> that'll put additional load on the single usb port
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[19:57] <piless> hexxeh
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[19:57] <piless> Hexxeh: mr matts got a job for you
[19:57] <BenO> friggle, I've added an issue on the raspberrypi/firmware github tracker with links to gists of the logs
[19:57] <Iota> What does the top line of the sticker on the back represent?
[19:58] <piless> Iota: That it's greasy
[19:58] <BenO> (don't judge me by the choice of music - it was grabbed at random from the top of a music hd!)
[19:58] <mkopack> Sigh'ing at the level of stupidity being shown by the posters to the forums
[19:58] <BenO> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2
[19:58] <Iota> Wha... D:
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[19:58] <piless> mkopack: Are you inferring that we aren't stupid?
[19:58] <mkopack> Oh, I KNOW you are piless :P
[19:58] <piless> Indeed
[19:58] <BenO> mkopack, rule #1 of small embedded devices - avoid the forums on release day ;)
[19:59] <mkopack> But you're still smarter than MOST of the people posting. OMG...
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[19:59] <piless> BenO: The rule for me has been avoid the forum since the admins decided to be nazi cunts.
[19:59] <mkopack> yeah, really.. OMG these people are posting stupid stuff, "I got my Pi" "When will I get my Pi?" "Here's an update from Newark (which tells you NOTHING new)", "Can it run XYZ?" "Why isn't this working?"
[20:00] <BenO> piless, well, you seem to have a knack for invoking Godwin's law in one line ;)
[20:00] <mkopack> "I think it's unethical that people are selling their Pi on EBay"???
[20:00] <piless> FUCKING IDIOTS
[20:00] <BenO> piless, really? locking the posts will just confuse people who stumble on them... that's a shame
[20:01] <piless> mkopack: I think it's unethical that people have recieved their pies before me
[20:01] <Matt> for some reason, because of the line break
[20:01] * stereohead is now known as stereohead-away
[20:01] <Matt> I read that as "18:00 <+piless> mkopack: I think it's unethical that people have recieved their pork pies before me"
[20:01] <piless> BenO: If you ever ask a question on the forum that was asked once within the past 20 years it will be locked
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[20:01] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Why? If I can sell one for $200 to some idiot that wants one *NOW*, and then just buy another in a week or two, I don't think it's unethical...now, if they were GIVEN a rPi, then they shouldn't be selling it
[20:02] <piless> OneFix_Work: You can't buy another in a week or two
[20:02] <mkopack> No, I'm not saying that - it's what some idiots are posting on the forums
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[20:02] <Matt> OneFix_Work: quite - if you buy something and then resell it to make a profit, that's just capitalism :)
[20:02] <mkopack> I mean, really, If they paid for it, and they want to sell it, that's their right...
[20:02] <ewan> anyone US-based get a raspi yet?
[20:02] <mkopack> If you don't like it, don't buy it
[20:02] * ewan still has a delivery date of August ;_;
[20:02] <BenO> OneFix_Work, it's unethical as RPi is being run as a charity and costs are kept low, regardless to the price that could be found in an open market
[20:02] <piless> mkopack: Exactly, it would be a different story on the other hand if they were selling counterfeit pies on ebay
[20:03] <mkopack> ewan: A couple have??? only ones that ordered directly from UK sites though??? No Newark or Allied deliveries yet
[20:03] <piless> BenO: Fuck that, we live in a capitalist society. It's how the world works
[20:03] <zgreg> oh my... now there's one of these fucking unboxing videos for the pi...
[20:03] <mkopack> ewan: Newark hasn't gotten updated info about when they're getting a shipment from the Fab yet
[20:03] <OneFix_Work> BenO: What if I used the proceeds from selling my rPi @$200 to buy 8 new rPis for some school kids, then would it be ok :)
[20:03] <zgreg> is this some new consumer gadget or what?
[20:03] <piless> unboxing videos make me hard
[20:04] <mkopack> Blend it! BLEND IT DAMMIT!
[20:04] <BenO> OneFix_Work, exactly :)
[20:04] <piless> zgreg: I love how with unboxing videos they have always already opened and charged it and then wrapped it back up to open on video
[20:05] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Umh, no...we're all talking about baking delicious deserts...don't know what you are talking about :)
[20:05] <piless> OneFix_Work: A PIE ISN'T A FUCKING DESSERT YOU MORON
[20:05] <piless> A PIE IS A MAIN COURSE
[20:05] <Matt> piless: shush :)
[20:05] <OneFix_Work> piless: I would argue that it's both :)
[20:06] <piless> OneFix_Work: breakfast too
[20:06] <campbell__> From the entry banner: Please remember there may be kids in here.
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[20:06] <mkopack> Nah, it's at BEST an Appetizer
[20:06] <piless> campbell__: They stopped enforcing that months ago
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[20:06] * kallisti5 runs around with head on fire thinking about Rpi shipping.
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[20:06] <piless> campbell__: The only one who bothers to complain nowadays is hotwings and he doesn't even have OP
[20:07] <campbell__> Then I leave you to your profanities
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[20:07] <piless> campbell__: I shall enjoy them, thank you
[20:08] <mkopack> eh, the only thing, Piless, is that some people connect from work and can get in trouble for visiting sites with profanities??? It'll flag on network monitoring systems and such
[20:08] <piless> mkopack: I would argue that if you're using irc at work then you're already breaking policies
[20:09] <AdrianG> piless: how so
[20:09] <piless> Unless you work at the foundation
[20:09] <AdrianG> is it illegal to read personal letters at work?
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[20:09] <AdrianG> or check personal sms?
[20:09] <piless> AdrianG: I'm not sayinh illegal.. I'm saying policy
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[20:09] <AdrianG> ok, inappropriate under that policy
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[20:10] <piless> AdrianG: If you sat on your ass and read text messages all day at work I bet you would be fired.
[20:10] <AdrianG> piless: what if u have no work to do
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[20:10] <piless> AdrianG: Then you're manager isn't do his job properly
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[20:10] <piless> *your
[20:10] <AdrianG> thats his problem :P
[20:10] <piless> *doing
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[20:12] <piless> mkopack: "Our IT technicians have reported me that you're spending 40% of your work hours on something called #mylittlepony. Explain yourself!"
[20:12] <mkopack> piless: not net true...
[20:12] <mkopack> nec
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[20:12] <mkopack> lol
[20:12] <piless> *to me
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[20:13] <BenO_onRPi> It's been years since I used irssi, but it works fine on RPi
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[20:13] * Matt uses irssi all the time
[20:13] <piless> BenO: Fuck you
[20:13] <Matt> and ircs from work
[20:13] <Henchman21> nice
[20:13] <Henchman21> irssi>*
[20:13] <BenO_onRPi> Matt, how do you drive this thing...
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[20:14] <Cheery> http://twitter.com/#!/hobbsy/status/191857764543373312/photo/1
[20:14] <BenO_onRPi> ie change channels/windows?
[20:14] <Cheery> I can see the rageface after trying that out
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[20:14] <Henchman21> /server -ssl irc.freenode.net
[20:14] <piless> Cheery: People have known this for months
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[20:14] <Henchman21> /connect for multiple servers ctrl+x changes server
[20:14] <Matt> BenO_onRPi: depends - alt-[0-9] should chaneg between windows 1-10 (0 is 10)
[20:15] <Matt> if alt- doesn't work, Esc and then the number should
[20:15] <piless> mkopack: Ugh it's spreading here too
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[20:15] <Matt> (basically Meta-[0-9]
[20:15] <Henchman21> ctrl+a+n (next window) ctrl+a+p (previous)
[20:15] <Matt> or /window windownumber
[20:15] <BenO_onRPi> Matt: Aha! That's the magic I was looking for :)
[20:15] <Henchman21> /wc (window close)
[20:15] <Matt> then there's /window move left, and right
[20:15] <Matt> if you want to re-order them
[20:16] <Henchman21> other than that the rest is polish
[20:16] <Matt> you may find alt-left and alt-right will switch between windows :)
[20:16] <BenO_onRPi> Matt: Thanks :)
[20:16] <Henchman21> /ignore piless
[20:16] <Henchman21> ;)
[20:17] * piless is now known as piless_
[20:17] <Henchman21> if you were op you could /kb piless_ 20 (kicks/bans him for like 20min iirc)
[20:17] <BenO_onRPi> Henchman21: ;)
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[20:18] <Henchman21> he's probably going ape right now
[20:18] <piless______> who
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[20:19] <BenO_onRPi> Is there anything (/proc, etc) that people want me to paste in from this?
[20:20] <Iota> What's the root password for debian? I can't seem to change the ifconfig.
[20:20] <ukscone> piless_: no we didn't stop enforcing we just didn't have need to
[20:20] <piless_> BenO_onRPi: Can you do a h/w test for me?
[20:20] <BenO> Iota, use 'sudo'
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[20:20] <ukscone> piless_: the next swear word out of your mouth gets you banned for the rest of the day
[20:20] <piless_> shit the OPs work up
[20:21] <Iota> Oh yeah, sudo. I never use that.
[20:21] <BenO_onRPi> Iota: also, 'sudo -s' will get you a root shell
[20:21] <Henchman21> sudo make me a sandwich
[20:21] <BenO_onRPi> should you need it :)
[20:21] * ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone
[20:21] <piless_> I feel empty inside
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[20:22] <piless_> It's the waiting for the execution that hurts the most
[20:22] <BenO_onRPi> I didn't open the door for that guy, but what the hey
[20:23] <Henchman21> nah i cant think of any benchmarks to run i'd rather just have one myself to play with ;)
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[20:23] <BenO_onRPi> Henchman21: heh, sure :)
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[20:25] <Iota> Thanks, BenO_onRPi.
[20:25] <rob_> hmm, so have people been getting them yet? i see some on ebay selling at massively inflated prices..
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Those are listed before today
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> were
[20:26] <Henchman21> maybe install pastebinit and pastebinit|dmesg
[20:26] <rob_> do many people have them?
[20:26] <piless> rob_: It turns out that ebay is the foundations preferred distribution method
[20:26] <rob_> mine arrived today :)
[20:27] <BenO_onRPi> rob_: Yep, some people got them this morning. I've been kicking the tires of mine today :)
[20:27] <Henchman21> write a script to change the default binary blob
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Nobody that's got theirs today has listed theirs on ebay yet.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> (Unless it was buy-ut-now, and ahs already gone)
[20:27] <piless> BenO_onRPi: See how much force you can put on the hdmi connectot before it snaps off
[20:28] <passstab> anyone running debian testing on a rpi?
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[20:28] <piless> passstab: Nope, noone.
[20:28] <rob_> SpeedEvil: there's quite a few on ebay..
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> rob_: I only saw 3
[20:28] <piless> Okay now I'm afraid that I've been muted
[20:28] * passstab roles his eyes
[20:29] <rob_> SpeedEvil: why arent more people selling them?
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[20:29] <piless> rob_: Because some people are actually using them for development.. Unbelieveable I know!
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=raspberry+pi&_sacat=See-All-Categories
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> 2
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> 3 even
[20:30] <rob_> it's crazy
[20:30] <Iota> Make me a sad panda.
[20:30] <Henchman21> awe thats sad
[20:30] <hotwings> rpi scalping on ebay... hey i guess if someone is willing to pay $200+ for one, why not? :\
[20:30] <mkopack> hot: exactly
[20:31] <Henchman21> yeah i'd get a board with more testosterone for that price
[20:31] <piless> mkopack: Have I been muted?
[20:31] <Henchman21> did you hear something? sounded like a fly
[20:31] <rob_> you cuold sell it for 200 pounds and buy a computer
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[20:32] <hotwings> none of my htpc's cost me even close to $200
[20:32] <hotwings> most expensive was $140 iirc
[20:32] <BenO_onRPi> Iota, Henchman21: I'm with you guys - sad panda face here too. I wish more boards would get to hackers not scalpers
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[20:32] <mkopack> hehe, considering I'm using 2011 Mac Mini as mine, yeah, mine cost more that $200
[20:32] <piless> Is this what it's like to be a ghost? Watching people masturbate while you just float around being ignored.
[20:33] <BenO_onRPi> need to help fix the plumbing of hw to OS so that people can use these to learn from without falling foul of broken things
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> BenO_onRPi: 3 going to scalpers is hardly a huge number
[20:33] <hotwings> BenO_onRPi - i dont really care what people use rpi for. but, i hope some cool DIY projects come about
[20:33] <BenO_onRPi> SpeedEvil: true, but I think the worst is yet to come
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[20:34] * piless pokes Henchman21 in the eye
[20:34] <Henchman21> shoo fly
[20:35] * SpeedEvil ponders buying some boards for 130 quid.
[20:35] <piless> hotwings: mp3 is superior to flac
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[20:35] <SpeedEvil> (though they are insulation, with a total volume of 8m^3
[20:35] <piless> hotwings: linux is better than windows
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[20:35] <piless> hotwings: vga is better than hdmi
[20:35] <Henchman21> dont troll everyone knows mp3 is lossly/proprietary and flac is lossless/open
[20:36] <piless> Oh good I'm not muted.
[20:36] <ewan> mkopack: thanks for the info
[20:36] <wry> I like my music lossy and full of drm.
[20:36] <piless> Henchman21: That was the point, hotwings loves to point out how wrong I am.
[20:36] <Henchman21> just cayse the bulk of devices only recognize mp3 doesnt make it better it means we should be more aware of monopolies
[20:37] <piless> Henchman21: Lots of devices support flac.
[20:38] <piless> Henchman21: My cheap sandisk clip+ does flac
[20:38] <piless> Henchman21: My phone does flac
[20:38] <piless> But flac wasn't designed to be used in portable media
[20:38] <piless> It's an archive format.
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[20:39] <piless> You're supposed to keep flacs locked away somewhere, and then use mp3/ogg for daily use.
[20:39] <Iota> Heh. I've had 3,000 views of a photo of my raspberry pi.
[20:39] <piless> Iota: Oh sorry, that was me.
[20:39] <Iota> xD?!
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[20:39] <BenO_onRPi> Holy hell - the 'hello_video' is awesome :)
[20:40] <piless> Iota: My f5 key got stuck down.
[20:40] <BenO_onRPi> test code to shunt h.264 through the decoder
[20:40] <BenO_onRPi> flicker free goodness
[20:40] <piless> BenO_onRPi: You won't like the results
[20:40] <Iota> Lol
[20:40] <piless> BenO_onRPi: You should prod the openelec guys to see if you can get a build off them.
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[20:45] <piless> How have I managed to kill off all coversation in this channel?
[20:45] <piless> *conversation
[20:45] <rob_> everyone is on ebay
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[20:46] <BenO_onRPi> or digging through code ;)
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[20:46] <piless> or pooping
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[20:47] <ghans> j
[20:47] <piless> Matt: What's the protocol nowadays for obtaining a hostname mask?
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[20:51] <craag> Hi guys
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[20:51] <craag> I just got my raspberry pi, and am trying to get it to boot.
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[20:51] <SimonT> piless: i think you hsve to go to #freenode and ask
[20:52] <piless> craag: You need to plug it in first
[20:52] <mkopack> craag: k, what's the problem?
[20:52] <craag> The PWR light is on, SD card is in (with arhclinux), but OK light isn't on.
[20:52] <mkopack> What class card?
[20:53] <mkopack> Class 10 probably won't work at all
[20:53] <craag> It's a standard 2GB SD.
[20:53] <craag> non-SDHC
[20:53] <mkopack> And you did the dd command to image the ArchLinux onto the card?
[20:54] <mkopack> i.e., you did't just format the card and copy the image file onto it
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[20:54] <piless> craag: Is it actually 2gb or is it more like 1.8?
[20:54] <craag> I did 'sudo dd bs=1M if=archlinuxarm-01-03-2012.img of=/dev/sdc'
[20:54] <craag> got '1977614336 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 13.1771 s, 150 MB/s'
[20:54] <mkopack> and you confirmed that there's data on both partitions on the card?
[20:54] <craag> which seems too fast..
[20:54] <rob_> how are people powering their pis?
[20:55] <piless> rob_: Standard micro-usb mobile phone charger
[20:55] <haltdef_> a 2GB card will be 1.8, not 2.0 :P
[20:55] <Henchman21> hamster generator
[20:55] <rob_> can i use the yellow usb port on my laptop?
[20:56] <craag> Ah, I just put the sd card back in the laptop, and it hasn't been wiped! (still has pre-dd partitions on it)
[20:56] <BenO_onRPi> rob_: you could, but it's far more reliable if you use a dedicated power supply
[20:56] <piless> haltdef_: Apparently there are a couple of manufacturers who actually don't bullshit about the capabilities
[20:56] <mkopack> craag: lol, bet you wiped out some other device then :) you need to have the RIGHT /dev/sdxxx value that points at the card
[20:56] <rob_> BenO_onRPi: reliable? in what way? i dont have a power supply at themoment is why i ask..
[20:57] <craag> It's definetely /dev/sdc, i checked with gparted.
[20:57] <mkopack> Be DAMN careful with dd??? can EASILY screw up a good partition/drive
[20:57] <piless> don't listen to mkopack, you should delete the dd.
[20:58] <piless> rob_: You can't use the port on your laptop
[20:58] <BenO_onRPi> rob_: The current available from a laptop isn't very consistent and might vary. It's just another variable to eliminate in the beginning, when you are trying to get it working :)
[20:58] <rob_> BenO_onRPi: but it should work?
[20:58] <piless> rob_: If there's a data connection available then the laptop will only provide 500mah of power when the rpi model b requires 700mah
[20:59] <piless> I mean ma not mah
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[20:59] <rob_> 'data connection available' <- what does this mean?
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[21:00] <craag> Ok, looks like the card is only 1.8GB, cheers for the help guys, I need to raid another camera..
[21:00] <piless> rob_: Usb wall plug chargers tie off the two data connections on the usb so they aren't used.
[21:00] <mkopack> craag: You're probably going to want at LEAST a 4GB anyhow.
[21:00] <mkopack> Class 4 or 6
[21:01] <rob_> oh hmm
[21:01] <piless> rob_: It's part of the usb spec, max 500ma
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[21:02] <piless> rob_: You can buy a usb plug that you can use with your existing cable for a couple of quid, or you can get one like a mobile phone charger thats already micro usb
[21:02] <zleap> hmm, i still need to get one
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[21:03] <piless> but the model a is supposed to only use 300ma so that should work off a laptop usb port
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[21:05] <passstab> is that still true?
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[21:06] <passstab> now that it has 256 ram?
[21:06] <mkopack> passstab: yeah, the RAM chips shouldn't make any different power draw
[21:06] <passstab> oh
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> The larger one may use less power
[21:07] <friggle> tip regarding dd: look in /dev/disk/by-id
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> but it's going to be a milliamp or so
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> different
[21:07] <friggle> e.g. for me /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Single_Flash_Reader_058F63356336-0\:0
[21:08] <friggle> which is a symlink to /dev/sdb, and means I don't need to double, triple and quadruple check I'm not overwriting something I dont' want to
[21:09] <piless> friggle: Disconnect everything else including the monitor just incase
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[21:09] <mjr> apropos power draw, if one leaves the ethernet interface down, does it affect it any?
[21:10] <mjr> s/any/noticably/
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> mjr: Should a little
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> If the chip is properly put into suspend mode
[21:10] <piless> SpeedEvil: What about if you rip off the usb ports
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> I'd expect 30mA
[21:15] <piless> will the pie be able to power my usb george foreman?
[21:16] <steve_rox> :-P
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[21:16] <steve_rox> i had a theory , why not get like 4 usb ports put into a device and add their voltage together so we get like 20v to do something more interesting with :-p
[21:17] <piless> steve_rox: You'd have to change the connector design to something more proprietary.
[21:18] <piless> steve_rox: I just know I'm going to accidently fry something otherwise
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: you can't usually do that.
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[21:18] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: Unless the power supplies are isolated.
[21:18] <Iota> How do I search for packages in debian?
[21:18] <steve_rox> would it overload root hub?
[21:18] <BCMM> steve_rox: no, on a lot of devices, they're all using the same 5v rail
[21:18] <steve_rox> give the target device 4 usb sockets you just need 4 wires heh
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: it would simply not work
[21:18] <BCMM> you'd be trying to connect the same supply in series with itself
[21:18] <steve_rox> oh well
[21:19] <steve_rox> it was just a thought
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: much like you can't use 4 chairs bolted to the floor stacked up to reach the ceiling
[21:19] <steve_rox> i was searching the net for exsiteing usb devices
[21:19] <steve_rox> but i found nothing of significance
[21:19] <steve_rox> but what can you power with 5v thats exsiteing?
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[21:20] * hamitron has an led lamp
[21:20] <hamitron> usb powered
[21:20] <hamitron> ;)
[21:20] <steve_rox> built myself a lil usb battery powered port using a regulator
[21:20] <steve_rox> so i can charge my phone with it
[21:20] <steve_rox> shoved a 9v batt onto it
[21:21] <steve_rox> just keeping the tempature safe on the regulator is fun
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Iota, apt-cache search something, IIRC
[21:23] <steve_rox> indeed
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Iota, and synaptic is always an option too
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're running X anyway
[21:24] <steve_rox> im lost now
[21:25] <Iota> apt-cache! That's the one, thank you.
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[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
[21:26] <Iota> hello_audio, the first words my little pi ever said to me.
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ... jerks with their pi's >=/
[21:27] <Iota> D: Sorry.
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[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> So you should be... some of us have to wait for a few more months, lol.
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[21:28] <Iota> xP
[21:28] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: It's only going to get worse
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[21:28] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: You might aswell kill yourself
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> may as well
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> but you know... I have others things to do in the meantime.
[21:29] <steve_rox> the exsitement over the PI has died for me
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[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> should save the excitement until you actually got it
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> *should've saved
[21:30] <steve_rox> possibly
[21:30] <oldtopman> Iota: Not sure if you're intrested, but the people working on armedslack need a rpi tester.
[21:30] <steve_rox> bet half the first load are not even going to devlopers
[21:31] <piless> steve_rox: Wait till gert builts his next expansion board which is designed to stimulate the prostate
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd hope so, since I wouldn't call myself a developer.
[21:31] <steve_rox> wuuuut
[21:32] <piless> steve_rox: anally
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, how are you still not banned?
[21:32] <steve_rox> sounds like a new nintendo motion controller
[21:32] <philh> what's he done to get banned?
[21:33] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: ukscone has had his finger on the trigger for the past half hour or so
[21:33] <Iota> Thanks, oldtopman.
[21:33] <steve_rox> i guess things have gone werid in here
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, fair enough
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> philh, nothing in particular... just getting on certain peoples' nerves a little bit at a time.
[21:34] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: because i am a softy and waiting for the evil it_sean to come and pull the trigger
[21:34] <oldtopman> Iota: They just need osmeone to compile a kernel, should work right away. They're in #armedslack if you're intrested.
[21:34] <philh> ShiftPlusOne, a handful of those people are potentially as bad if not worse, it just depends what you're around to see
[21:34] <piless> ukscone: He is evil
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> philh, I am not actually being serious. If I wanted to, I could've banned him a long time ago.
[21:35] <philh> it's ok, if he's banned from here there's still #narnia
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[21:35] <steve_rox> and if not that its proxy server time?
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[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> people still use proxy servers?
[21:36] <steve_rox> possibly
[21:36] <steve_rox> what do most use now then?
[21:37] <piless> vpn
[21:37] <philh> something like tor?
[21:37] <philh> banned griefers, that is
[21:37] <steve_rox> vpn did come to mind
[21:37] <piless> philh: tor is for pedophiles
[21:37] <steve_rox> but tor seems to be a secret underground network
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, yeah, tor is awesome.
[21:37] <philh> heh
[21:37] <steve_rox> i hear they have secret websites inside the network
[21:38] <Iota> Try I2P.
[21:38] <steve_rox> mostly perverted website
[21:38] <steve_rox> so i hear
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> a lot of "i hear' going around
[21:39] <mkopack> Tor is no different than the normal internet, except everything is encrypted - all traffic...
[21:39] <steve_rox> im sure the gov scum have ways of defeating it
[21:39] <Meatballs> encryption != anonymity
[21:39] <mkopack> So it's harder to see what people are doing on it, what data is flowing around ,etc.
[21:39] <Iota> There's a lot less illegal stuff than you might imagine on the network. It's basically the internet back in the early 90's, everyone has their own websites running on their computers written in basic html.
[21:39] <hotwings> load tor -> go to whatismyip.com -> witness not your real ip
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[21:40] <Iota> Just talking about their handle or what irc server to find them on.
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[21:40] <steve_rox> the gov is about to fuck over the uk with deep packet snooping on us all
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[21:40] <Meatballs> point of tor is to route the traffic through as many peers as possible without any of the peers know who they're actually talking to, or something like that
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[21:41] <steve_rox> just how voilent is the encyption on tor i wonder
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I wonder how many people who run end nodes get raided for all the child porn that's probably going through their connection =/
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[21:42] <Meatballs> point is you dont see the traffic going through as its encrypted
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[21:43] <mkopack> you don't see the traffic, and it's done through sort of a P2P approach, so your traffic is being sent through a number of different intermediate hops and others go through yours...
[21:43] <steve_rox> what determines the encyption key
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[21:44] <ghans> the packets are encrypted multiple times
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> "Tor cannot and does not attempt to protect against monitoring of traffic at the boundaries of the Tor network, i.e., the traffic entering and exiting the network."
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, end node traffic isn't encyrpted
[21:44] <Meatballs> if you connect to HTTP they can see the traffic in and out
[21:45] <Meatballs> if you connect to HTTPS then they cant
[21:45] <steve_rox> cant see the destination i spose
[21:45] <steve_rox> but the data out could identify you i guess
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> https is widely underused, I think
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> and I don't think the shady corners of the internet have certificates anyway
[21:47] <Meatballs> make your own cert
[21:47] <Meatballs> certs are all based on trust
[21:47] <Meatballs> so as long as you let shady mates know the cert
[21:48] <steve_rox> its funny when your on some tor server and you load a website only to have it load in a totally crazy language :-P
[21:48] <piless> bunch of pedos
[21:48] <hamitron> hehe piless
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[21:49] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: It definitely does happen, it ruined one guys life.
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[21:50] <hamitron> I can't see the point in such tech
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, the worldwide push for internet filtering is the main point
[21:51] <Meatballs> imagine living in china
[21:51] <hamitron> what we need is people doing proper illegal stuff to be caught, then for government to not use monitoring for clampdown on petty crime
[21:51] <Meatballs> and disagreeing with the govnment
[21:51] <Henchman21> yeah theres a new sopa on the way worse than china's firewall
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I remember wikileaks being inaccessible from Australia, but showed up fine on downforeveryoneorjustme and loaded fine through tor.
[21:51] <Henchman21> CIPA?
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> and that was before they proposed the filter
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> actually no, that was during the time... when the list of potentially blocked websites leaked.
[21:52] <hamitron> it scares me too ShiftPlusOne, but having tech to hide yourself is not the best solution
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[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, I don't think it's to hide or a result of fear... just a way to get the information if they try to block it
[21:54] <hamitron> better if they didn't block things to start with ;)
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[21:55] <mkopack> Jesus - 8 hours between the Space X Dragon capsule going into final approach with the ISS and when it actually gets berthed WTF?!?! WHY so long?
[21:55] <Iota> mkopack: This is going on now?!
[21:55] <Iota> I've not been keeping up to date with SpaceX for a while.
[21:55] <mkopack> No flight readiness review press conference @ NASA going on right now. They just mentioned that
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[21:55] <mkopack> NASA TV
[21:55] <Iota> Awesome, I'll jump on the scream.
[21:55] <mkopack> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[21:56] <Iota> stream* thanks.
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, we live in a democracy, we don't get a say in these things.
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[21:57] <Henchman21> they showing the N. korean satelite that was rumored a "splashdown" on launch?
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[21:57] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, I had this blurred image of what democracy was.... thanks for clearing it up for me ;)
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries
[21:58] <Meatballs> remember your details dont just get looked at by government
[21:58] <Meatballs> could be snooped on at any off the routes along the way :)
[21:58] <hamitron> fairly unlikely
[21:59] <Henchman21> if democracy means rule by super rich companies then thats what we have
[21:59] <hamitron> not many could watch through as much..... erm, stuff ;)
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[21:59] <Meatballs> no but filtering a specifc target wouldn't be hard
[21:59] <hamitron> ofc, but why me?
[22:00] <hamitron> sure there are more interesting people
[22:00] <Meatballs> aye :)
[22:00] <namfonos> the email that rs-uk retailer sent me actually went into my gmail spam folder
[22:00] <namfonos> the one informing me that the boards are for sale
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Where does SpaceX get its' funding from?
[22:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ah nvrm
[22:01] <namfonos> i was reading articles that they were getting shipped and i couldn't understand what was going on
[22:01] <mkopack> Contracts - both with Nasa and commercial entities to launch sats
[22:01] <Henchman21> yeah gmail sucks
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[22:01] <Henchman21> "we read your email, so you dont have to, then we share it with the feds"
[22:01] <hamitron> I'm really considering dropping all these online sites
[22:01] <namfonos> lol
[22:02] <hamitron> webmail, google docs
[22:02] <hotwings> spacex has hired a lot of people from the shuttle program
[22:02] <namfonos> i've never thought about my spam folder before
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[22:02] <DerTauman> Could Android be flashed to a raspi?
[22:02] <hamitron> flashed?
[22:02] <DerTauman> uh
[22:02] <DerTauman> installed
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> if you get the likes of Cyanogen involved
[22:03] <hotwings> DerTauman - it needs more ram than the rpi has
[22:03] <DerTauman> :(
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, I wouldn't agree with that
[22:03] <hamitron> heck, we don't don't want android anyway
[22:03] <DerTauman> Yeah I was thinking of CM ShiftPlusOne
[22:03] <hamitron> we want "R-pi OS"
[22:03] <hamitron> ;)
[22:03] <DJWillis> DerTauman: it would be as slow as a slow thing, and flashed is the wrong word ;). Not to mention the ARMv5 support ;)
[22:03] <DerTauman> ah k
[22:03] <DerTauman> Installed?
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, it needs more RAM to be decent... but you could still run it.
[22:03] <namfonos> so is there some SD card most people are going with?
[22:04] <namfonos> or are people just randomly picking from the list of working cards from the wiki
[22:04] <Meatballs> whichever one works out of my camera case
[22:04] * _av500_ is taking a Sandisk to the prom
[22:04] <Henchman21> memtest
[22:04] <hotwings> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs -> see the heading "Will it run Android?"
[22:04] <hamitron> hang on.... SD? it doesn't take TF?
[22:04] <DJWillis> _av500_: I am seeing a Kingston on the side, and cheating on the SanDisk.
[22:05] <hamitron> ;)
[22:05] <hotwings> "If someone in the community can port a version of Android to work with 256MB of RAM, then it???ll run on the Raspberry Pi."
[22:05] <hamitron> if someone ports win95, it will too
[22:05] <Henchman21> less than 256
[22:05] <hamitron> ;)
[22:05] <Henchman21> cause the gpu needs some of that
[22:06] <Henchman21> *shared*
[22:06] <hamitron> can you disable the gpu memory?
[22:06] <hamitron> for headless use
[22:06] <DJWillis> The 'desire' to run Android on any device astounds me, it's like running it on the OpenPandora, it runs but it is shite as it works best in it's target zone, not as a general purpose userspace.
[22:06] <Henchman21> i havent seen a binary blob compiled for less than whats the lowest gpu mem blob?
[22:07] <hotwings> agreed DJWillis
[22:07] <DerTauman> I want to run it on Android because I want to make a tablet
[22:07] <DerTauman> Just for fun
[22:07] <DJWillis> hamitron: you can take the GPU down to a meg or so I think, you can't disable it as the GPU is looking after the ARM ;).
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[22:07] <DerTauman> Not too bothered about the cost
[22:07] <Henchman21> hamitron: but yeah i was hoping to see a blob with no gpu mem or bare min to boot
[22:07] <hotwings> android is the current 'new shiney' ... it will wear off
[22:07] <hamitron> DJWillis, I guess 1MB is near enough
[22:07] <_av500_> DJWillis: i thought you went with the dealextreme bi^Hatch
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> DJWillis, yup... it's not about USING it... it's about running it, being disappointed with the results and then realising that Android isn't very good for these things.
[22:08] <DJWillis> DerTauman: but you would need drive the LCD, a capacitive touchscreen and all maner of stuff. It would not be my choice of hack for a Pi ;).
[22:08] <DerTauman> How easily do you think it'd be to get a raspi tablet working?
[22:09] <hamitron> android is just a bloated end product anyway
[22:09] <DerTauman> hmmm
[22:09] <DerTauman> I just want an easy way to play media
[22:09] <DerTauman> Like on the train etc
[22:09] <hamitron> a phone?
[22:09] <DerTauman> I want a bigger screen
[22:09] <hamitron> a tablet?
[22:09] <Henchman21> i wouldnt even consider a pi as tablet-able
[22:09] <hotwings> DerTauman - netbook?
[22:09] <DJWillis> ShiftPlusOne: yep, I guess that wears of when you do firmware work for a good few years, just becuase it 'can' is not the challange. Making it WORK is the challange.
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[22:10] <DerTauman> Nah I like the touch aspect
[22:10] <DerTauman> Can I add a touchscreen?
[22:10] <DerTauman> We haven?t experimented with any touchscreens yet, but there?s no electronic reason why it shouldn?t work. There?s lots of discussion about this on the forums. The main issue people are encountering seems to be one of cost; touchscreens are very pricey!
[22:10] <hamitron> the price of the screen imo, means it is best to just get a cheap tablet
[22:11] <DJWillis> DerTauman: well a USB one works, I plugged one in as it was laying on my desk ;).
[22:11] <hamitron> putting aside the fun in doing it
[22:11] <DerTauman> wait you have a raspi?
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[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> DerTauman, you can do anything you're willing to spend silly amount of money and time on. Making raspberry pi into a tablet is one of those thing.
[22:11] * hamitron wants PXE boot :/
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[22:11] <hamitron> save money on SD card
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, why?
[22:11] <hamitron> ;)
[22:12] <DJWillis> DerTauman: had a retail board since last week and been hacking about, it is currently going to be stuck in my truck tomorrow with the GPS as a logger for something I am messing with.
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, you can specify an NFS mountpoint as a root partition and only have the SD card for a kernel
[22:12] <DerTauman> I've gone with RS, not heard from them since April 4th :( also I am jealous DJWillis
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[22:12] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, yeh
[22:13] <BenO> DerTauman, check your spambin - my RS emails disappeared in there
[22:13] <hamitron> but that just isn't saving on SD card
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[22:13] <DJWillis> DerTauman: it's so I can get an ARMv6 optemised distro running on it, that's my aim and what I have been asked to do, the other stuff is just because I can't resist hacking on something ;)
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> could probably take the SD card out after it's booted even.
[22:13] <hamitron> oh well, I'm not getting one anyway
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[22:13] <DerTauman> Nah they're not in there BenO
[22:13] <BenO> DJWillis, are you using a GPS breakout board? eg SPI or i2c for communication with the RPi
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[22:14] <BenO> DerTauman, Sorry :( RS really dropped the ball then
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[22:14] <DerTauman> Yeah
[22:14] <DerTauman> I don't have the cash atm anyway
[22:14] <DerTauman> So I'll just keep waiting
[22:14] <DJWillis> BenO: nope, just a serial unit and a Prolific USB I/C. It's a quick hack not a real use.
[22:16] <BenO> DJWillis, Well, I'd say that anything using the SPI pins is a hack right now ;)
[22:16] <DJWillis> lol
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[22:22] <Henchman21> so youre just trolling about turning it into a tablet?
[22:23] <mkopack> Looks like SpaceX +NASA are planning for an April 30 launch date
[22:23] <Henchman21> why dont we discuss synthesizing LSD in your bathtub while we're at it
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[22:24] <piless> Henchman21: If he wants an inch thick tablet let him do it.. Just don't call him a troll because his ideas differ from yours
[22:24] <des2> Henchman21 I think you want #raspberryhigh
[22:26] <chronofast> anyone receive any notice or change from newark.com?
[22:26] <kallisti5> my pi just shipped!!!
[22:27] <kallisti5> just got it :D
[22:27] <Iota> Yay!
[22:27] <kallisti5> trying to hit site now... slow
[22:27] <mkopack> chronofast: Not yet. They don't have updated shipment info from the factory in China yet
[22:27] <kallisti5> I have a shipping number though
[22:28] <kallisti5> just sent it out
[22:28] <kallisti5> as well as a card charge it seems
[22:28] <chronofast> mkopack have you tried to call them? overkill?
[22:28] <mkopack> kallisti5: Where'd you order from? Which country?
[22:28] <kallisti5> USA
[22:28] <kallisti5> to newark
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[22:28] <chronofast> well shit
[22:28] <mkopack> chronofast: there was a post earlier on the forum today where somebody talked with somebody from Newark on the web chat support tool???
[22:29] <kallisti5> "Below you will find a shipment confirmation that contains package-tracking information. The details of the items shipped are also listed for your records. An invoice confirmation will follow that confirms the completion of this transaction. Your order is being shipped and cannot be changed by you or by our Customer Service department."
[22:29] <mkopack> kallisti5: You ordered directly from Newark? What time did you order at?
[22:29] <kallisti5> 7:30 am the morning after
[22:29] <mkopack> Ah, I'm a couple hours after that...
[22:29] <kallisti5> i cheated :)
[22:29] <mkopack> 7:30am on the 29th, right?
[22:29] <mkopack> or March 1
[22:29] <mkopack> ?
[22:29] <kallisti5> it wasn't showing up on the site, but I found the order number and searched fot it manually
[22:29] <chronofast> eah, i wish we could at least find out our place on queue
[22:29] <kallisti5> the morning after the day it released
[22:30] <mkopack> chrono: Eh, we get em when we get em
[22:30] <kallisti5> it released late US time, and I purchased the next morning
[22:30] <kallisti5> maybe 6 hours after orders behan
[22:30] <kallisti5> *began
[22:30] <mkopack> There's so many screwy variables, it's going to be hard to know exactly when we'll get them right now
[22:30] <chronofast> true true, still... tantrum.. tears... waving fist
[22:31] <kallisti5> they did infact only charge $35 and omitted the 20 fee
[22:31] <mkopack> kallisti: Ok, mind if I ask your order #?
[22:31] <kallisti5> ends in 954
[22:31] <mkopack> That might give me an idea of how many orders were between ours
[22:31] <mkopack> I'm 26131
[22:32] <kallisti5> err.. is that the whole number?
[22:32] <mkopack> No, just the last 5
[22:32] <mkopack> sorry, wrong number
[22:32] <mkopack> hold
[22:32] <kallisti5> order or PO order
[22:32] <mkopack> That's the PO order # last 5
[22:33] <mkopack> I'd think that's the more important one
[22:33] <kallisti5> ah.. thats wrong number.. should be a shorter one
[22:33] <kallisti5> ah
[22:33] <kallisti5> ok.
[22:33] <kallisti5> 62107
[22:34] <Iota> kallisti5: What unit number did you recieve?
[22:34] <kallisti5> checking
[22:34] <chronofast> So the ones that went out were part of the initial batch only?
[22:34] <kallisti5> Iota: unit number?
[22:35] <Iota> The number on the back. It's a date then the last 4 digits is your number I believe.
[22:35] <piless> chronofast: Less than that
[22:35] <piless> chronofast: There's still 8000 on their way from china
[22:35] <des2> They must have been only part of the initial batch according to what RPF has written
[22:35] <des2> Cause he had them in the back of his car.
[22:36] <Iota> Yeah, you can see a video on their site where he has them in his car.
[22:36] <kallisti5> Iota: the back?
[22:36] <Iota> bottom?
[22:36] <kallisti5> Iota: they say it shipped
[22:36] <Iota> Sticker.
[22:36] <Iota> Oh.
[22:36] <kallisti5> I don't have it yet ^_^
[22:36] <chronofast> Hmm, I thought that shipments were going to be going streight from china to other countries, not via UK
[22:36] <Iota> Thought you recieved it, sorry.
[22:36] <PiKeY> just seen i got an email from Parcelforce to say RS are sending my rpi out "express 24" :)
[22:36] <chronofast> Or is the entire first 10k batch going through the UK?
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[22:38] <mkopack> chrono: These first 10K are from that batch the RPF built. Those where split between RS+Farnell.. Those are the ones being shipped out right now??? from the UK
[22:38] <mkopack> It appears Farnell took some of what they got from that first 10K and shipped some to their regional subsidiaries...
[22:38] <piless> the first 10k is reserved for the isle of wight
[22:38] <zleap> hmm my external hdd seems to have a usb - micro usb connector
[22:38] <chronofast> from the UK being the key
[22:39] <Iota> Haha, Isle of Wight.
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[22:39] <zleap> and my camera has a plug in psu with usb port, 4.4 v @ 400mA i take it this isn;t enough for the rasp PI
[22:39] <piless> zleap: never seen one with that.. I've only seen firewire/mini-usb/that square usb/e-sata
[22:39] <piless> oh and of course those dodgy ones with regular usb
[22:39] <zleap> verbatim external hdd
[22:39] <mjr> zleap, no it is not
[22:39] <piless> because a male to male usb cable is oh so safe
[22:40] <zleap> oh well,
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[22:40] <zleap> i will get a usb charger with more out put then
[22:42] <zleap> piless, why are they dodgy
[22:42] <piless> zleap: be careful though, some of the ultra chinese ones lie about their ma output
[22:42] <zleap> external hdd seems to work fine
[22:42] <zleap> this is samsung camera charger thingy
[22:42] <piless> zleap: Imagine someone tries to connect two computers with said male to male usb cable
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[22:42] <zleap> this is usb to micro usb
[22:42] <zleap> not usb to usb
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[22:43] <piless> zleap: Yes, that's why I said "those dodgy ones with regular usb"
[22:43] <zleap> ah
[22:43] <Iota> So where can I buy myself one of these? http://imgur.com/a/rf7el#0
[22:43] <chronofast> that is a nice case
[22:43] <zleap> yeah
[22:44] <zleap> i would need one of those to use a rasp PI at the after school club I work at
[22:44] <piless> Iota: Similar, http://www.modmypi.com/products.php
[22:44] <Iota> Haha, great domain.
[22:44] <friggle> zleap: you actually can buy that one, the guy who made it posted the files to get it 3d printed iirc
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[22:44] <piless> friggle: Yeah but shapeways is so expensive
[22:45] <piless> why would you buy a case that cost as much as the device
[22:45] <zleap> ok
[22:45] <zleap> how do these 3d printers work
[22:45] <friggle> piless: well personally I wouldn't :)
[22:45] <piless> zleap: Some use powders that bond when printed
[22:45] <zleap> ah
[22:45] <chronofast> cure by uv light / visible light / etc
[22:46] <zleap> like with pcb s
[22:46] <zleap> i take it by cure you mean harden
[22:46] <chronofast> yep
[22:46] <piless> zleap: The finish is often quite bad
[22:46] <Iota> piless: Is the web site legit? Is it wise to order from there?
[22:46] <BenO> the reprap or makerbots use an extrusion method - like squeezing plastic out as if it were toothpaste
[22:46] <Iota> Actually, I have access to a 3D printer. Where can I get the blueprints, lol.
[22:47] <BenO> Iota, check on Thingiverse for Raspberry pi, you'll find them
[22:47] <Iota> Thanks, BenO.
[22:47] <piless> Iota: https://twitter.com/#!/modmypi
[22:47] <BenO> Iota, there's even a stackable design, should you want to knock out a Beowolf cluster of them ;)
[22:47] <zleap> i have a hardware section on my website so have added the link to the case
[22:47] <Iota> Lol! That's awesome.
[22:48] <zleap> BenO, or use lego
[22:48] <BenO> http://www.thingiverse.com/image:120980
[22:48] <Iota> BenO: Great Web site! I must bookmark this.
[22:48] <chronofast> http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+pi
[22:48] <piless> zleap: lego creaks too much
[22:48] <zleap> ah
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[22:48] <piless> oh crap
[22:48] * piless hides
[22:48] <IT_Sean> o.O
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> ... ?
[22:49] <chronofast> they have a RP blank model on there if you want to design a case around that
[22:49] <piless> chronofast: You should probably get someone on here to double check the measurements.
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[22:50] <piless> chronofast: Someone with a production model
[22:50] <DJWillis> Lego works as a case ;)
[22:50] <chronofast> very true
[22:50] <piless> chronofast: I remember there were doubts about the published measurements
[22:50] <chronofast> aren't the final dimentions somewhere?
[22:50] * IT_Sean would, if he had a cnc machine, mill a custom case out of a solid chunk of wood.
[22:51] * IT_Sean sadly does not have a cnc machine
[22:51] <piless> IT_Sean: That's what a dremel is for
[22:51] <chronofast> i'd pay for a wooden case, hell id pay a good amount
[22:51] <IT_Sean> define "good amount"
[22:51] <piless> 50p
[22:51] <zleap> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Konnect-Adapter-Charger-players-Digital/dp/B001WRC3NW/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334609395&sr=8-2-fkmr1
[22:51] <IT_Sean> i mean a really nice case, rounded edges, smooth finish, natural hand rubbed stain, and LEDs piped out
[22:52] <DJWillis> IT_Sean: I was looking to cut up a nice wooden box of my GF's but she said something about cutting off my hand if I actually got the dremmel.
[22:52] <chronofast> $30 if its machined, more if it was by hand, more if it was a nice wood
[22:52] <zleap> ?2.50 for a psu 5v 1000ma
[22:52] <zleap> as per site mentioned earlier
[22:52] <IT_Sean> I'd machine the opening for the raspi by machine, but do all the exterior finish work by hand.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> probably use a good, well aged block of driftwood.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> finish it in a hand rubbed light stain... juuust dark enough to bring out the natural grain and detail of the wood.
[22:53] <piless> zleap: Sure, but I'd recommend http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0028QHJSK/
[22:53] <chronofast> it_sean sounds perfect
[22:54] <DJWillis> IT_Sean: actually sounds really nice, shame I can't get some nice wood :o
[22:54] <IT_Sean> I have the skill... just not the time or the equipment, sadly.
[22:54] <piless> zleap: If it's going to be dedicated to the pi you might aswell get a one piece charger than a two piece
[22:54] <zleap> ok
[22:54] <piless> My htc charger is three piece.. I despise the thing
[22:54] * IT_Sean needs to get a dremel one of these days
[22:54] <zleap> thanks will add thjat to my er wishlist
[22:55] <BenO> IT_Sean, dremel = professional adjustment tool ;)
[22:55] <IT_Sean> heh
[22:55] <zleap> i guess i tend to search for items with corrent volt / current output
[22:55] <BenO> aka "I'll bloody make it fit"
[22:55] <chronofast> it_sean if you could do stuff like there theres a market out there, id love this wooden wallet: http://lostinasupermarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/martinmargiela-wood-wallet.jpg except it's a designer one and like $2,000
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[22:56] <zleap> i may as well get one, and a card at the same time, so when i eventually get a pi i am ready to go,
[22:56] <IT_Sean> chronofast: the issue is time. I work 9-5 all week, and i don't have a good workspace for doing that sort of stuff on a regular basis.
[22:56] <IT_Sean> and on that note, i am off... I'll be back on later from home
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[22:56] <chronofast> exactly!
[22:57] <piless> zleap: You should buy that usb plug anyway, they are incredibly useful
[22:57] <zleap> yeah
[22:57] <zleap> good point
[22:57] <zleap> being 1 unit, lessens risk of psu bits getting mixed up
[22:58] <piless> zleap: The one I had was the lupo brand but it looked exactly the same as the product images you linked to
[22:58] <zleap> ok
[22:58] <zleap> well if i order the one I linked to, i still need the cable, and its cheaper to buy the whole thing
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[22:59] <piless> By had I don't mean it broke.. I lent it to someone and never got it back :'(
[22:59] <piless> zleap: Why not both? :D
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[22:59] <zleap> the one you linked to has a built in cable
[22:59] <piless> zleap: Plus any self-respecting techie as a million usb cables lying around
[23:00] <piless> *has
[23:00] <zleap> the one I linked to was just the charger, oh you mean the cable too, ok good idea
[23:00] <zleap> USB 2.0 A to Micro B Data Cable 91p
[23:00] <piless> No, I meant buy both the cableless one and the one with a cable
[23:00] <zleap> piless, i have tons of cables
[23:00] <zleap> ah
[23:01] <zleap> ok
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[23:01] <piless> charger for your pi and the cableless one just because it's useful
[23:02] <Iota> Over 4,000 people have seen my Raspberry Pi now. o_o
[23:02] <Veryevil> How have 4000 people seen you PI?
[23:02] <sraue> or one, 4000 times :P
[23:02] <piless> Iota: I still haven't managed to unstick my f5 key
[23:02] <Iota> Lol
[23:02] <BenO> Iota, start charging an entrance fee to see it ;)
[23:02] <Iota> xD
[23:03] <piless> change the image to goatse
[23:04] <Iota> :( That's mean.
[23:04] <zleap> may as well get something like this too http://www.amazon.co.uk/Universal-Charger-Cable-iPhone-Camera/dp/B004BFFJY2/ref=wl_mb_hu_m_3_dp
[23:05] <piless> zleap: http://www.bb-elec.com/images/product_images/OPT8D_large.jpg
[23:06] <zleap> cool
[23:06] <Veryevil> I got my parcel force confirmation a couple of hours ago! My Pi is coming tomorrow from RS!
[23:06] <zleap> i am waiting for them to tell me how to order
[23:06] <Iota> Nice!
[23:06] <zleap> i have signed up twice
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[23:06] <zleap> maybe I wasn't in the first 1000 people :(
[23:07] <Veryevil> Has any progress been made on Hardware Acceleration? Any one got it working?
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[23:07] <Veryevil> Ben0: Did you get your PI working consistently?
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[23:09] <zgreg> Veryevil: err, it's not just a matter of switching it on, at least for X :)
[23:10] <Veryevil> well I know that was just wondering who was working on it if anyone?
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[23:11] <BenO> Veryevil, It's very picky about what SD it will boot from
[23:11] <BenO> Veryevil, found one in the end that was reliable to boot from
[23:12] <Veryevil> oh thats good glad you dont have a defective board
[23:13] <BenO> Veryevil, yes - I think that the way that the SD slot is connected to the board might have a weak solder connection as it is failing on types of cards known to work on other people's boards
[23:13] <BenO> at least, the list on the wiki
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[23:14] <Veryevil> you got a soldering iron? Might be worth running it over the pins to wet them
[23:14] <piless> BenO: What bullshit.. weak solder connection??? Get out!
[23:14] <Matt> more likely the SD cards are different
[23:15] <Matt> same model != same hardware
[23:15] <Matt> some manufacturers are pretty bad about that
[23:15] <SimonT> So annoying!
[23:15] <piless> This has been discussed before over and over
[23:15] <Henchman21> no more horse to beat
[23:16] <piless> who's our local expert on sd? des2?
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[23:16] <Henchman21> its turned into soil/plants that another horse is eating, want to beat that horse till it dies? then beat that dead horse?
[23:16] <Iota> I went a bought 2 new SD cards today, since my original one I bought for the Pi didn't work.
[23:16] <BenO> Matt, that is true - Three of the Sandisk ones I have here (8Gb, a 4Gb Ultra and another one that I forget what it is) didn't work
[23:16] <piless> I can't remember who won the conflict last time
[23:17] <piless> Ben64: Sandisk should work. As long as it's class 6 or below
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[23:17] <BenO> piless, yes it should, hence why I am looking at all the reasons to explain why they don't
[23:18] <piless> BenO: Probably user error
[23:18] <DJWillis> Anybody have interesting plans for Pi's and Arduino's? Trying to think of anything interesting that I have not already almost broken my Ti boards trying ;)
[23:19] <piless> DJWillis: I plan to use it for piracy
[23:20] <BenO> DJWillis, I'm interested to see what the sweet point is between the two - particularly for 3d printer electronics
[23:21] <DJWillis> BenO: hmmm, yep, now that is interesting.
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[23:21] <DJWillis> piless: more than I needed to know ;).
[23:22] <piless> DJWillis: It's going to remote control my ship in the somalian seas while I sit on my sofa
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[23:22] <BenO> DJWillis, certain board designs are arduino-y, but it would be interesting to see if they can be treated as more than just dumb endpoints you throw g-code at
[23:24] <DDave> piless: dont forget the remote trigger for your heavy machineguns
[23:24] <DDave> :D
[23:24] <piless> The raspberry pi can never behave like a arduino.. One is a usb host.. one is a usb gadget
[23:24] <piless> DDave: No way, canons all the way
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[23:27] <piless> I mean cannons
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[23:30] <Hexxeh> hmm
[23:30] <Hexxeh> if the hdmi display i'm connecting the pi to doesn't support 1080p, do i need to add a config.txt?
[23:30] <Hexxeh> getting a black screen
[23:30] <piless> Hexxeh: Shouldn't the display be reporting the native res to the pi?
[23:31] <Hexxeh> native res is 2560x1440
[23:32] <piless> In that case the only thing you can do is buy a new monitor.
[23:32] <Hexxeh> it supports other modes, though.
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[23:33] <piless> Hexxeh: Surely if your pi sent your hdmi 1080p it would still use it, but either scale it or blackbar the shit out of it?
[23:33] <piless> Or is that controlled by drivers?
[23:33] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: have you btw checked network performance? :)
[23:33] <Hexxeh> nope, this panel doesn't actually support 1080p at all oddly enough
[23:33] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: not yet
[23:34] <Hexxeh> can't do much yet until more sd cards arrive
[23:34] <piless> Hexxeh: Does it support 640x480?
[23:34] <Hexxeh> only got the one atm and it has a half-broken chrome image on
[23:34] <Hexxeh> piless: uh, no
[23:34] <Hexxeh> it supports 720p and 2560x1440
[23:34] <piless> what about 320x240?
[23:34] <Hexxeh> no
[23:34] <Hexxeh> it's a 27" display lol
[23:34] <piless> what about 160x120?
[23:34] <Hexxeh> 27" imac
[23:35] <piless> 80x60?
[23:35] <piless> 40x30?
[23:35] <piless> 20x15?
[23:35] <DDave> 1x1?
[23:36] <piless> DDave: Wrong aspect ratio
[23:36] <Hexxeh> isn't that just an led :P
[23:36] <piless> DDave: you want 4x3
[23:36] <DDave> my bad!
[23:36] <Matt> 80x24
[23:37] <piless> I suppose you could get away with 2x1.5 if you sawed a pixel in half
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[23:40] <Hopsy> is there a faster OS for the raspberrypi?
[23:40] <Hopsy> I watched couple of vids and saw the slowness of debian :')
[23:40] <namfonos> so any comments on SD cards?
[23:41] <namfonos> hopsy: arch?
[23:41] <DJWillis> Hopsy: there is optemisation in the works but it will all take time, pick up a compiler and join the fun ;-)
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[23:43] <BenO> Hopsy, as in the desktop speed?
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[23:43] <Hopsy> BenO: yeeah
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[23:44] <Hopsy> well atleast the browser
[23:44] <Hopsy> should be much faster
[23:45] <piless> Hopsy: HAHAHAHAHA.
[23:45] <piless> Hopsy: You're having a laugh right?
[23:45] <piless> Hopsy: A browser.. wotj
[23:45] <piless> with 256mb of ram
[23:45] <piless> AHAHAHAHAH
[23:46] <Hexxeh> it's possible
[23:46] <Hopsy> piless: did you see that vid?
[23:46] <Hexxeh> download a chromeos virtualbox and give it 256mb ram
[23:46] <Hexxeh> it runs decently
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[23:46] <Hopsy> starting gimpp loads forever
[23:46] <Hexxeh> obviously arm is a different kettle of fish
[23:46] <Hexxeh> but i'm cautiously optimistic
[23:46] <piless> Hopsy: The vids are such bull. They neglect to show the crippling input lag
[23:47] <piless> Hexxeh: And that virtualbox chromeos would be running x86
[23:47] <DJWillis> piless: actually there is a HELL of a scope to improve things.
[23:47] <BenO> DJWillis, do you know if the L2 cache and 2d acceleration are on in the new build?
[23:47] <Hexxeh> X11 acceleration will help immensely
[23:48] <Matt> I believe L2 cache is
[23:48] <piless> Hexxeh: Definitely, but 256mb is still not enough, especially seeing as theres no dedicated gpu memory
[23:48] <BenO> Matt, good - I was playing with a build last week on a Pi where it wasn't
[23:48] <DJWillis> BenO: I am not using Debian, I am getting it working with OpenEmbedded, I think l2 is on in the kernel however.
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[23:49] <Hexxeh> there's a lot to be squeezed out of these
[23:49] * BenO keeps forgetting that I don't have to throw these theoretical Q's out there anymore ;)
[23:49] <Hexxeh> they're in a pretty unoptimised state at the moment
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[23:49] <DJWillis> piless: the OpenPandora, well the 1st ones, are 256MB and a Cortex A8, not a problem on that to do a fair bit of stuff ;). Same for pre-XM Beagles. 256MB is not a major stumble.
[23:49] <Hexxeh> within maybe a year, people will squeeze every drop out of them
[23:49] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: depends, for some tasks it is
[23:49] <Iota> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhptpw3v7j8
[23:49] <Hexxeh> image manipulation etc
[23:49] <piless> DJWillis: The cortex a8 is quite a bit better than a armv6 700mhz
[23:50] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: ok, yes, but for a general purpose setup.
[23:50] <Iota> Oops, didn't mean to paste that in hear, sorry.
[23:50] <DJWillis> piless: well I know that, I am pretty familiar with both ;).
[23:51] <Hopsy> is it possible to make a partition on my SD card and use that as ram?
[23:51] <piless> Forget about using a swap on your sd aswell
[23:51] <Hopsy> I dont know how it works
[23:51] <Hexxeh> Hopsy: yes, it's called swap, but it's basically so slow it's not worth it
[23:51] <piless> that will kill your sd card within a year
[23:51] <Matt> so don't put swap on SD :)
[23:51] <Hopsy> haha
[23:52] <Hexxeh> Swap on something USB based might be possible
[23:52] <Hexxeh> But it's not the silver bullet for performance
[23:52] <DJWillis> Hopsy: forget SD swap as it is a performance sink, I would not worry about it trashing SD's however as SD's are so cheap. Anything that is not real ram is going to perform badly, SD and USB are all performance bound and you loose a lot of cycles looking after it all ;)
[23:53] <piless> SDs don't have the wear leveling that ssds have
[23:54] <Iota> So who's up for a Raspberry Pi Quake III lan party?! :D
[23:54] <DJWillis> piless: yep, but you have to value cost to gain (I am a very big anti SD swap person but I am also realistic to the gains in some case for the sake of a ??5 card that lasts a few years) ;-)
[23:54] <Hopsy> now I am curious, for what is swap meant?
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[23:55] <DJWillis> Hopsy: swap is a *nix term to talk about extra storage space allocated to holding pages of RAM that are not in use, pagefile on Windows.
[23:55] <grimboy> Hopsy, Swap is meant for use with metal oxide disks.
[23:55] <grimboy> Not for ssds.
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[23:56] <piless> Hopsy: It's the same as your paging file on a windows machine
[23:56] <piless> Oh damn
[23:56] <piless> too slow
[23:57] <Iota> If the computer runs out of ram, it'll start using the hard drive.
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[23:57] <Hexxeh> got my imac 27" display working with the pi
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[23:57] <Hexxeh> hdmi_mode=4 in config.txt :)
[23:57] <Hexxeh> works a treat now
[23:58] <Hopsy> hmm how do I dissable it on my windows :O
[23:58] <Hopsy> I didnt know this
[23:58] <piless> Hexxeh: Native?
[23:58] <piless> Hopsy: If you disable it, nothing will be saved if your system crashes
[23:58] <Hexxeh> 720p piless
[23:58] <piless> Hexxeh: booooooo
[23:58] <Hexxeh> i'll experiment and try different modes though
[23:59] <Hexxeh> it just has to be the right aspect ratio
[23:59] <Hopsy> and define crash? piless
[23:59] <Hopsy> bsod?
[23:59] <piless> Hopsy: any crash
[23:59] <piless> but sure yeah
[23:59] <Hopsy> weird

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