#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-04-17

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[0:00] <piless> Hopsy: Your paging file should be at least one and a half times the size of your ram
[0:00] <piless> Or is it two times. I forget
[0:00] <Hopsy> I have 16gb of ram
[0:00] <namfonos> piless 1/2 ram size
[0:00] <Hexxeh> that used to be the case
[0:00] <Hexxeh> probably not so much these days
[0:01] <Henchman21> piless: windows uses a page file linux uses swap :P
[0:01] <Hexxeh> pretty sure having 96GB of swap would be silly
[0:01] <grimboy> Linux can use a swapfile.
[0:01] <piless> Henchman21: No shit sherlock, we just had this discussion
[0:01] <Dagger2> piless: that's not a useful guideline. your swap file should be (total_virtual_memory_you_need - amount_of_RAM_you_have)
[0:01] <Henchman21> aka take your paging crap to #winsuck
[0:02] <Dagger2> with the caveat that if your swapfile gets much larger than your RAM size, you'll probably find things crawling to a halt before you ever get to use all of the swapfile
[0:02] <wcchandler> w00t shipping info from Newark -- order placed Feb29th like 8 hours after the launch
[0:02] <piless> Henchman21: go fuck off to #neckbeards
[0:02] <Iota> \o/
[0:03] <Henchman21> winlover
[0:03] <mkopack> wcchandler: You suck! I ordered at 10am and haven't seen anything yet
[0:03] <piless> racist
[0:03] <mkopack> Maybe I'll get something soon
[0:03] <Henchman21> OS'ist and yes i am
[0:03] <wcchandler> mkopack: sorry bro, yeah hopefully!
[0:03] <wcchandler> ; not ,
[0:03] <piless> mkopack: I hacked into element14 and cancelled your order for you
[0:04] * discomeats (~howismyir@213-152-32-22.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) Quit (Quit: zz)
[0:04] <mkopack> thanks piles :)
[0:04] <mkopack> save me some $$$ :)
[0:04] <piless> Of course
[0:04] <Hopsy> hey which distro should I download for the raspberrypi?
[0:05] <Hopsy> 32 or 64 bit
[0:05] <piless> Hopsy: neither
[0:05] <passstab> lol
[0:05] <piless> Hopsy: You seem to be under the impression that the raspberrypi will run an x86 OS.. It will not.
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[0:06] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: !!!
[0:06] <Hopsy> heyy
[0:06] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[0:06] <Hopsy> how are you?
[0:06] <IT_Sean> m'alright. yourself?
[0:06] <piless> IT_Sean: hey which distro should I download for the raspberrypi? 32 or 64 bit
[0:06] <Hopsy> yeah i am fine, we were talking about pagefiles and swaps
[0:07] <Hopsy> come and join us
[0:07] * IT_Sean puts piless in several small boxes, and mails them to far corners of the globe
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[0:07] * Hopsy smiles
[0:09] <piless> your wincing
[0:09] <piless> I can tell
[0:09] * cypher707 (cypher707@89-181-207-27.net.novis.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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[0:12] <passstab> Hopsy, the rpi is arm based
[0:12] * smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[0:12] <IT_Sean> passstab, he knows that. piless is a troll.
[0:13] <passstab> i'm not talking to him
[0:13] * Hexxeh tries to run Spotify on his Pi
[0:13] <Hopsy> I also know it
[0:13] <passstab> oh
[0:13] <Hopsy> piless is a troll
[0:13] <Hexxeh> does the current alsa implementation do audio over hdmi?
[0:14] * passstab gives up
[0:14] <Hopsy> he just feel me bad
[0:14] <Hopsy> when I say the browser should be faster
[0:14] <Hopsy> said *
[0:14] <passstab> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[0:14] <passstab> use one of those
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[0:17] * mkopack (~mkopack@99-206-121-18.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)
[0:17] * Slippern (SlippernFr@server02.hjemmeserver.info) Quit (Quit: hjemmeserver.info rules!)
[0:18] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
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[0:19] <piless> IT_Sean: I was quoting Hopsy when I said that.
[0:19] * DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[0:20] <IT_Sean> sure you were.
[0:20] <piless> IT_Sean: The logs are back now. Go look.
[0:20] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
[0:20] <Hopsy> piless: :(
[0:21] <Hopsy> you make funny of me
[0:21] <Hopsy> thanks dude
[0:22] <piless> Hopsy: It's all in fun
[0:22] <Hopsy> ughh sure
[0:23] * bnmorgan (~bnmorgan@unaffiliated/bnmorgan) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:24] <Hexxeh> you forget how painfully slow unaccelerated X is until you have to use it :P
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[0:27] <Dagger2> I know just how slow it is, because X doesn't do accelerated multi-GPU multiple monitor setups, and oh look guess what I have :(
[0:27] <piless> Dagger2: That will teach you for trying to sli with linux
[0:28] <Dagger2> given that I wasn't trying to do SLI I'm not quite sure why it would teach me that, but ok
[0:29] * prebz_ (~prebz@c83-248-137-51.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[0:31] <passstab> Hopsy, if you need help w/o being mocked PM me
[0:31] <Hopsy> thats sweet passstab
[0:31] <passstab> ;D
[0:32] <Hopsy> Soo passstab which computer languages do you know/working on etc?
[0:32] <piless> aww that's so sweet
[0:32] <piless> now kiss
[0:32] * Hopsy hugs passstab
[0:32] <piless> it's not gay if the balls aren't touching
[0:32] <grimboy> Tongues.
[0:32] * passstab hugs Hopsy for a little two long
[0:33] <Hopsy> gay? I guess passstab is a men
[0:33] <Hopsy> soo
[0:33] <piless> Hopsy: passstab will be whatever you want him to be
[0:33] <passstab> geez i didn't remember seeing Hopsy before on here
[0:34] <passstab> so i assumed he wanted help
[0:34] <piless> Hopsy: Want passstab to be a girl.. BAM! passstab is now a girl
[0:34] <Hopsy> it_sean remembers me :P
[0:34] <Hopsy> he?
[0:34] <piless> it_sean left you all alone
[0:34] <Hopsy> =[
[0:34] <passstab> what makes any of you think i'm not a girl?
[0:34] <Hopsy> --___--' piless
[0:34] <piless> passstab: Don't be silly, there aren't girls on the internet
[0:35] <Hopsy> rule number 8
[0:35] <piless> We're going to need a picture of your tits passstab as proof
[0:35] <passstab> besides you know, Bayes rule
[0:35] <Hopsy> http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[0:35] <passstab> ok ok
[0:35] <passstab> i never said i'm a girl
[0:36] <piless> passstab: But you've got to be holding a piece of paper
[0:36] <Hopsy> 17. Every win fails eventually.
[0:36] <piless> saying <3 Hopsy
[0:36] <Hopsy> so piless
[0:36] <Hopsy> you lost
[0:36] <a5m0> this is why we can't have nice things guys
[0:36] <a5m0> ie. girls on the internet
[0:36] <piless> a5m0: all I wanted to do was stick 64bit ubuntu on my pie
[0:36] <a5m0> -_-
[0:36] <a5m0> wrong arch
[0:36] <a5m0> arch=arm
[0:37] <grimboy> ...
[0:37] <grimboy> Missing context.
[0:37] <grimboy> a5m0, Read the scrollback
[0:37] <passstab> there is no ubu pi distro yet
[0:37] <piless> context is tits
[0:38] <passstab> piless, your mom is tits
[0:38] <piless> tru dat
[0:38] <namfonos> jesus christ wtf happened here while i was gone
[0:38] * zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[0:38] <piless> namfonos: tits
[0:38] <a5m0> piless, is a troll is the only useful scrollback i found
[0:38] <piless> a5m0: He was just hurt because I mocked him
[0:38] <grimboy> aWell, that's the important bit.
[0:38] <namfonos> ya and something about balls touching
[0:39] <piless> namfonos: That's important too
[0:40] <grimboy> That rule can help you avoid a lot of situations which would otherwise be totally awkward.
[0:41] <Hopsy> loool a5m0
[0:41] <Hopsy> XD
[0:41] <a5m0> hur
[0:42] <passstab> i'm glad they switched the debian password
[0:42] <a5m0> who uses passwords?
[0:42] <a5m0> and who runs debian?
[0:42] <passstab> to something that makes even the slightest sense
[0:42] <a5m0> it's all about alarm
[0:42] <passstab> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[0:42] <passstab> Default login Username: pi Password: raspberry Note changed password!
[0:43] <passstab> used to be suse , suse
[0:43] <a5m0> what's your ip? and can you forward a port too?
[0:43] <passstab> for reasons that are unclear
[0:43] <passstab> I run debian
[0:44] * barr5790 (~alan@cpc35-belf9-2-0-cust731.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:44] <passstab> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1058
[0:45] <passstab> new p0st !!$!!
[0:45] <a5m0> didn't i just tell you to run alarm instead of debian?
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[0:47] <passstab> alarm?
[0:47] <a5m0> Arch Linux ARM
[0:48] <a5m0> the default hostname is also alarm
[0:48] <a5m0> for that reason
[0:48] <passstab> ahh
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[0:50] <passstab> i suspect that installing debian and adding testing repos would give me more updates
[0:50] * sraue (~stephan@xbmc/staff/sraue) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:50] <a5m0> if you like updates
[0:50] <a5m0> alarm my friend
[0:50] <a5m0> it's rolling release
[0:50] <a5m0> and all in one command, update and install pacman -Syu
[0:50] <passstab> we'll cont this later
[0:51] <passstab> dinar time
[0:51] <grimboy> In my experience when I've tried to run off debian testing I got a lot more breakage than running Arch.
[0:51] <a5m0> i prefer dollars
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[0:52] <a5m0> well i didn't say that rolling release was inferior grimboy, i was just saying it sates my appetite for updates
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[0:52] <a5m0> i've never broken anything in arch
[0:52] <a5m0> debian testing is not for me though, i run squeeze
[0:52] <a5m0> i just wish it had a longer support cycle
[0:52] <IT_Sean> Raspi mentioned on Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-begins-shipping/
[0:52] <a5m0> like ubuntu lts
[0:52] <a5m0> zomg, i'm sure they've been mentioned on engadget many times by now
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[0:53] <IT_Sean> well pardon me for pointing out a NEW post, a5m0. :/
[0:53] <a5m0> what's funny is that arm based boards are everywhere and the rpi is actually one of the slower ones
[0:53] * IT_Sean facepalms
[0:53] <grimboy> But it's cheap.
[0:53] <grimboy> People like cheap.
[0:53] <a5m0> follow me to #archlinux-arm where all the arm elitists are
[0:53] <IT_Sean> It's not mEANT to be fast. it's meant to be CHEAP
[0:53] <a5m0> grimboy, there are cheaper options, this is just a well publicized one
[0:54] <grimboy> Go on then...
[0:54] <a5m0> i'm already there
[0:55] * piless (piless@94.196.143.209.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[0:55] <grimboy> No I mean point out comparable boards which are cheaper.
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[0:59] * PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne_
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne_> 'morning
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[1:00] <grimboy> Morning, midnight, take your pick.
[1:03] <a5m0> grimboy, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/839/IMG_20110410_011018.jpg
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> what's that?
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> acceptable answer: faster than raspberry pi clock-by-clock on average 60%
[1:05] <a5m0> a 1.2ghz armv5
[1:05] <a5m0> rpi is 700mhz arm6
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[1:06] <grimboy> Cool. Looks like you need a programmer too though.
[1:06] <passstab> re
[1:07] <a5m0> grimboy, uh not at all
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne_> what's the logic analyzer?
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[1:07] <a5m0> it's not it's a buspirate i was just using it to talk console/serial
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne_> (if that's what the logic analyzer like thing is)
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne_> ah
[1:07] <grimboy> Oh okay. I was just a little confused about what I was looking at.
[1:07] <a5m0> but i can also use it for direct jtag
[1:08] <a5m0> i just took a picture of what was on my desk
[1:08] <a5m0> going to sleep nao
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne_> sleep?
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[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne_> waste of time
[1:08] <a5m0> you were just asleep
[1:09] <passstab> i use arch on my laptop
[1:09] <a5m0> what gui?
[1:09] <passstab> gui?
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[1:09] <passstab> what gui?
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne_> nope... wasn't.... I thought I had a test this morning so I stayed up all night studying
[1:09] <a5m0> yes, what window manager/graphical user interface do you use
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne_> the awesome thing is it's actually pretty late, so I'll be half asleep by then.... yay
[1:10] <passstab> lol i don't use it much
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[1:10] <a5m0> how can you use linux and not know what gui means?
[1:10] <passstab> no no no
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[1:10] <passstab> i was useing it w/o gui
[1:10] * jzaw is now known as jzaw_afk
[1:10] <passstab> arch dosn't have a gui
[1:10] <passstab> /troll
[1:10] <a5m0> it has whatever you want it to have
[1:11] <a5m0> mine has nyancat
[1:11] <passstab> i don't use it much
[1:11] <passstab> but i had fvwm
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne_> not openbox? >=/
[1:12] <passstab> i should try that
[1:12] <a5m0> i don't see how they call fvwm super advanced
[1:12] <a5m0> lookup archbang
[1:12] <passstab> i never really learned to use it
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[1:13] <passstab> archbang seems pointless to me
[1:14] <a5m0> it's just arch+openbox
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne_> any doctors here? my arm is numb.... what's up with that? >=/
[1:14] <a5m0> apply 5volts
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[1:15] <passstab> why not install arch + openbox?
[1:15] <a5m0> that's all it is
[1:16] <grimboy> Then why does it exist.
[1:16] <a5m0> but you can test drive it with archbang
[1:16] <grimboy> Oh.
[1:16] <grimboy> It's a live cd.
[1:16] <a5m0> yet
[1:16] <a5m0> yer
[1:16] <passstab> yex
[1:16] <grimboy> yew
[1:16] <passstab> yall
[1:16] <wcchandler> are they pushing binary blobs to the upstream kenrel for the SoC? if so then it wouldn't matter which distro you use... but from the way I read it, they're only "bundling" acc. drivers with the official release
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[1:17] <wcchandler> i love just randomly showing up and talking about something equally random as if it's relevant
[1:19] <grimboy> Hmm, well if they've pushed the framebuffer driver upstream then presumably that's enough to install another distro then replace the kernel, right?
[1:19] <passstab> yea
[1:20] <passstab> what is this relevant you speak of?
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[1:20] <wcchandler> so long as your distro of choice uses it.. some prevent binary blobs
[1:21] <mkopack> Well, my "slice of pi" board arrived today... Just need a pi to use it with!
[1:21] <passstab> fail
[1:21] <wcchandler> but any compile-your-own distro like arch, gentoo, etc would rely on the upstream
[1:22] <passstab> a5m0, can i run ff nightlys on alarm?
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[1:28] <passstab> a5m0, wow looking at the site suggests the latest ff is 3.6x
[1:29] <passstab> no thank you
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[1:42] <Matt> tea?
[1:42] <RITRedbeard> slice of vapor
[1:42] <RITRedbeard> how does one slice vapor?
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[1:44] <passstab> RITRedbeard, would you please shut up?
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[1:47] <s[x]> Greetz all
[1:50] <passstab> 'sup
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[1:51] <s[x]> anyone here in Aus ?
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[1:57] <passstab> not i
[1:57] <Thorn_> passstab: would you please shut up?
[1:58] <s[x]> lol
[1:58] <passstab> ok
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[2:01] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0QojdnF9EQ&feature=player_embedded#!
[2:01] <des2> It's funny how many people are asking him to try running things in the comments.
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[2:08] <Iota> Sweet. I've got Arch Arm all setup.
[2:09] <hotwings> congrats Iota
[2:10] <hotwings> next task, does anything actually work :)
[2:11] <Iota> Such as?
[2:11] <hotwings> ffmpeg/mplayer2
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[2:12] <Iota> Oh I see. ^.^ I'm just running it headless like a server. Suppose I could install X11 on it.
[2:13] <hotwings> im gonna see if i can get xserver+alsa+vdr+ffmpeg/mplayer2+lirc running on it.. and dvb drivers
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[2:14] <Iota> Nice. :o
[2:14] <Iota> I don't even think I have all that on my primary desktop, lol.
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[2:20] <hotwings> xserver to provide video out. alsa for sound. mplayer2 for media playback. lirc for remote control. and vdr/dvb drivers for satellite tv :)
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[2:23] <Iota> Final price ??240: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-ModelB-Brand-New-Box-/140739793135
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[2:26] <des2> Kinda makes me sorry I didn't buy one just to sell...
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[2:27] <Iota> Almost 1000% increase
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[2:29] <hotwings> 240 jesus
[2:29] <hotwings> i have 0 interest in an rpi at that price
[2:30] <hotwings> hell, im not even interested @ $50
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[2:33] <passstab> 35 is already pushing it
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[2:33] <hotwings> yes :)
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[2:34] <passstab> is almost like a bait-and-switch
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[2:35] <passstab> "the incredible 25$ computer now available for 35$"
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[2:46] <shirro_> any news on oz deliveries?
[2:47] <passstab> oz?
[2:49] <hotwings> do they even have computers down there?
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[2:52] <shirro_> hotwings: oh, no we don't. we better have rsync and samba back. and wifi
[2:53] <s[x]> shirro_: havent got mine yet
[2:53] <hotwings> oz net providers -> powered by pri
[2:53] <hotwings> rpi
[2:53] <hotwings> :\
[2:53] <hotwings> oz net providers -> powered by rpi
[2:53] <s[x]> ok its a known fact our net is utter shite
[2:54] <hotwings> we're not much farther ahead of you.. O_O
[2:54] <s[x]> We my dl is puttering around 120kb/s because of exchange congestion i beg to differ
[2:54] <shirro_> an el-14 rep on the forum said there was shipment on its way. just wondering if anyone has been contacted or had their order status change. not sure if i made it into the first batch
[2:55] <hotwings> us net companies are CHEAP when it comes to upgrading their hardware
[2:55] <shirro_> exchange congestion is the worst. absolutely nothing you can do.
[2:56] <s[x]> mine still says "Processing"
[2:56] <ewan> mine still says August ;_;
[2:57] <s[x]> I phoned e14 and they send end of April early may
[2:57] <s[x]> said*
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[3:01] <shirro_> s[x]: well, the pi will still beat the nbn by a few years
[3:01] <s[x]> hah
[3:01] <s[x]> yes most likely
[3:03] <shirro_> my town was going to be left out or get wireless or something. some politics must have been done and it looks like fibre commences in March 2015. Should have a dual core Pi with 2G ram by then
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[3:04] <s[x]> I dont think my suburb will see it for a while
[3:04] <shirro_> although more likely the coalition will shut it down and reintroduce 300baud acoustic couplers
[3:08] <shirro_> well this sucks. no new pi user problems to debug during daylight hours.
[3:10] <hamitron> \o/
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[4:33] <chronofast> gtg?
[4:33] <chronofast> nice
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[5:27] <genbattle> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-review/1
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[5:32] <MystX> Got yours yet RIT?
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> Got my what?
[5:32] <MystX> RPi
[5:33] <RITRedbeard> not until August I think?
[5:33] <MystX> Ah ok
[5:34] <rick2k> Anyone else here have their pi yet?
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[5:35] <RITRedbeard> Might have to wait a few months
[5:35] <MystX> =(
[5:35] <MystX> Ive been waay out of touch lately
[5:35] <RITRedbeard> I've lost a little interest
[5:35] <MystX> No idea what's going on
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> I'm honestly waiting for a SoC with PCI Express 1x lane with stack and all open
[5:36] <rick2k> UK? or elsewhere? I know in the UK it had to pass some compliance tests and they have been sending them out since last week
[5:36] <MystX> PCI for what?
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[5:37] <RITRedbeard> video
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[5:38] <MystX> Ah
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[5:39] <RITRedbeard> school has been kicking my ass anyway
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> I'm not too worried about LVDS at the present moment
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> if I can source these microdisplays for $200-300 each
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> the optics will cost peanuts
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[5:39] <RITRedbeard> hook straight up to HDMI
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> BAM
[5:40] <RITRedbeard> head mounted display
[5:40] <RITRedbeard> not stereoscopic :(
[5:40] <RITRedbeard> but not caring about that given present time frame
[5:40] <MystX> 0.o
[5:41] <MystX> Oh that reminds me, i wanted to try out BF3 in 3D
[5:41] <RITRedbeard> stereoscopic yes but mono, no 3d
[5:41] <RITRedbeard> two eyes, same display
[5:41] <RITRedbeard> a level of stereoscopy can be achieved by using IR eye tracker inside the unit
[5:42] <RITRedbeard> but mostly just interested in cheap HMD
[5:42] <RITRedbeard> light, low power consumption, etc
[5:42] <RITRedbeard> also been getting myself into tons of trouble with though experiments and lambda calculus
[5:45] <RITRedbeard> beyond the scope of this room and I actually got told to "shut the fuck up"
[5:45] <RITRedbeard> but it started with finding definitive solutions for chess game
[5:45] <RITRedbeard> how that could be expressed as recursive algorithm
[5:46] <RITRedbeard> and so on and so forth
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[5:46] <MystX> Huraaaay
[5:46] <RITRedbeard> then evaluation functions
[5:46] <RITRedbeard> and finally heuristics to make seemingly intelligent choices
[5:46] <RITRedbeard> I haven't written a lick of code but I've been obsessing about it pretty heavily.
[5:47] <RITRedbeard> probably a good time to learn Scheme
[5:51] <grimboy> Read your SICP
[5:52] <SimonT> RITRedbeard: Just remember to count you parentheses when writing scheme ;)
[5:53] <rick2k> Noob question: What is the advantage of using the shutdown command over just cutting the power to something like a pi?
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[5:54] * rick2k is a first time linux user :|
[5:54] <nezZario> why is wired saying they're shipping raspberry pi's?
[5:55] <SimonT> nezZario: because they're shipping raspberry pi's
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[5:55] <nezZario> who?
[5:55] <SimonT> RS & Farnell
[5:55] <SimonT> and partners
[5:55] * rick2k waves at nezZario from his pi
[5:55] * nezZario buying one
[5:56] <nezZario> who do ya think will ship 'em quicker?
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> so can I order a pi?
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> or are they out of stock?
[5:56] <SimonT> If you're placing an order now, then you're going to be waiting a while either way
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> fuck 'em
[5:56] <des2> rick2k has to do with corrupting file system
[5:56] <SimonT> whichever distributor you choose
[5:57] <nezZario> SimonT: define 'a while'
[5:57] <des2> Never shut down computers when they might be writing out to disk
[5:57] <rick2k> des2: hmm i thought it might... i have been just cutting the power so far.. :/
[5:57] <SimonT> nezZario: not a clue.. but there's a pretty big backlog if i'm not mistaken maybe a month or two?
[5:57] <rick2k> now i do get some weird error 101 messages on bootup but it still boots anyway..
[5:58] <SimonT> could be more or less
[5:58] <rick2k> error 110*
[5:58] <SimonT> des2: After executing $shutdown with power still on, what state will the Pi be in?
[5:58] <des2> Modern linuxes note if they've been shutdown correctly and if not should do filesystem checking on reboots
[5:59] <nezZario> the element people say 141 days...
[5:59] <SimonT> then you have your answer
[5:59] <des2> Not sure Simon. On systems I use they power off on shutdown.
[5:59] <SimonT> Same here, but I gather the Pi is a bit different..
[6:00] <rick2k> It says halted or something along those lines and hangs there
[6:00] <nezZario> sigh...
[6:00] <des2> I guess it just halts with power on.
[6:00] <des2> Then you can unplug it.
[6:03] <SimonT> ok coo, thanks :)
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[6:14] <RITRedbeard> LIKE A BOSS
[6:15] <rick2k> goondight all
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[6:16] <blemmm> So I see someone finally got one. ^_^
[6:16] <RITRedbeard> not me
[6:16] <RITRedbeard> I just downloaded MIT's old lecture notes where they taught their intro to programming (6001) in scheme
[6:16] <RITRedbeard> well
[6:16] <RITRedbeard> partially
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[6:27] <blemmm> I'm thinking about making a mud/simulator/wargame type of thing
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[6:36] <DaQatz> Hmmm yesterday my rpi status was "back ordered" Today it is "Processing"
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[6:43] <Axman6> oooo, mine's processing as well =)
[6:44] <Axman6> still says 'status: Back Order' when you look at the details though
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[7:08] <nezZario> how long ago did you order?
[7:09] <Axman6> the day it came out
[7:09] <nezZario> lol
[7:10] <nezZario> idk, i give up..guess i'll come check back on this project in a few months..for now i'm going to spend my money on either a arduino or a small atx/itx form factor..
[7:10] <nezZario> or maybe i'll just go to a casino
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[7:10] <nezZario> getting one seems impossible
[7:10] <nezZario> probably arduino because i can't really afford the itx/atx stuff
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[7:18] <RITRedbeard__> just get a geode
[7:18] <RITRedbeard__> sure you won't have a portable 5VDC system
[7:18] <RITRedbeard__> but hell
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[8:56] <tero> anyone who owns a r-pi can you just please tell me if sound on 3.5mm jack in working normally? can you play a mp3 file?
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[9:02] <friggle> tero: alsa support is a bit broken in the image put up for download (if you're using mplayer)
[9:03] <friggle> tero: you might want to update start.elf from github.com/raspberrypi/firmware or wait for a new image. The one which is up for download mistakenly includes an older start.elf that didn't include all the necessary support for working alsa
[9:03] <tero> ok thanx
[9:05] <friggle> tero: alsa output defaults to 'auto' which will prefer hdmi audio output if your monitor claims support. You can change the output with amixer cset numid=3 OUTPUT. Where OUTPUT=0 is auto, 1 is audio jack, 2 is hdmi
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[10:02] <Veryevil> quiet in here this morning?
[10:03] <Kostic> eating raspberry pi...
[10:03] <Kostic> *pie. :P
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> I'm eating a bannana.
[10:03] <SpeedEvil> Like a boss.
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[10:05] <Kostic> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=173507846033986&set=a.112615742123197.20272.100001243148092&type=1&ref=nf
[10:05] <Kostic> nice one.
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[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ah.... good ol' home
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[10:58] <cjbaird> Hmm. Someone's spamming beagleboard ads in E14's RPi forum..
[10:58] <Hourd> lol
[10:59] <AdrianG> hm
[10:59] <Da|Mummy> to be fair, you people started it on the BBC channels and websites
[11:00] <AdrianG> YOU PEOPLE
[11:00] <AdrianG> wat u mean YOU PEOPLE
[11:01] <Da|Mummy> crab people
[11:01] <cjbaird> Get off our coattails, you overpriced boutique-boards trying to scab from our hard-earned popularity... :P :)
[11:02] <piless> AdrianG: Hispanics
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[11:04] <_av500_> cjbaird: have an url?
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[11:05] <Kostic> Anyone for Rakija?
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[11:05] <_av500_> svakako!
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[11:06] <Kostic> ????????????... ?????????? ???? ????????. rakija -t kajsija | glass > _av500_
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[11:06] <Kostic> here you go, mate. :D
[11:06] <_av500_> hvala!
[11:07] <_av500_> got burek too?
[11:07] <Kostic> No, only some chetnik gibanica. xD
[11:07] <cjbaird> av500: http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44747/l/introducing-the-beagleboard ... I notice a distinct amount of 'Likes' :D
[11:07] <cjbaird> *distinct lack
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[11:14] <M0RBD> I have a pic somewhere of me like one of the Beagle Boys..
[11:14] <M0RBD> :D
[11:14] <M0RBD> 176-671
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[11:16] <Kostic> Ok, who do I need to slain now to get one RasPi?
[11:17] <mjr> one of them ungrateful kids who put their gift one up on ebay
[11:17] <M0RBD> Agreed...
[11:17] <M0RBD> That has nothing to do with entrepenurship.
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[11:24] <M0RBD> i was thinking of ordering a PandaBoard..
[11:25] <haltdef_> I did
[11:25] <haltdef_> after seeing its performance .. a *lot* of people are going to be disappointed with the pi
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[11:26] <haltdef_> fully accelerated X from a usb hd was sluggish, though that was kubuntu :P
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[11:28] <M0RBD> Actually, I tried KDE on my old Powerbook G3.. It was not that bad...
[11:28] <M0RBD> haha
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[11:28] <piless_> haltdef_: everyone with half a mind has been saying this the whole time.
[11:28] <M0RBD> Powerbook from 1999 with ATI Rage Mach64LT on board :P
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[11:29] <piless_> M0RBD: You're comparing powerpc to arm
[11:29] <M0RBD> piless_: it's medias fault.. or rather the general incompetence of the people doing tech reviews..
[11:29] <piless_> M0RBD: No it's the foundations fault.
[11:30] <M0RBD> piless_: they fueled the media!
[11:30] <piless_> M0RBD: They've been hiding the flaws.. Why have we not seen any videos demonstrating the crippling input lag from them?
[11:30] <M0RBD> piless_: Oh.. there was someone deming a pi at the guardian..
[11:30] <BenO> Because they mostly have day-jobs?
[11:31] <M0RBD> I noticed the lag in the demo when he was dragging a console window...
[11:31] <piless_> BenO: Eben works for qualcomm. The whole thing is just an effort to offloat some outdated SoCs
[11:31] <piless_> *offload
[11:31] <BenO> That comment actually made me lol
[11:31] <piless_> I mean broadcom
[11:31] <piless_> not qualcomm
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[11:36] <M0RBD> Are there any angry reviews of the PI?!
[11:37] <philh> anyone who's bought one and kept it is probably too busy fiddling with linux to write a review, the rest have just stuck them on ebay
[11:37] <cjbaird> Those 1080p video and Quake3 demos gave a lot of people unrealistic expectations. "hurr stuff the educational intent i gets my super-cheap htpc!!!"
[11:37] <philh> indeed
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[11:39] <BenO> cjbaird, Yes, that was unfortunate as Quake3 is a crowd-pleaser and lead the talk away from it being a good bit of hardware to learn from to a cheap htpc
[11:39] <M0RBD> hehe
[11:39] <[deXter]> I admit that's what got me interested in RPi. :P
[11:40] <[deXter]> Any device that can run Quake3 is awesome in my books. ;)
[11:40] <BenO> I learnt tons from my zaurus, gp2x and other embedded devices but still feel the pain when I look at the receipts ;)
[11:40] <fALSO> the problem with pi
[11:40] <fALSO> are the blobs
[11:40] * Hourd wants a gp2x, my flatmate had one last year and it was fun
[11:40] <M0RBD> fALSO: I guess that's true for most SOC's
[11:41] <BenO> [deXter], it runs it okay, but I'd say that until it is optimised, it's a little too laggy to play well. Pretty though :)
[11:41] <fALSO> imagine...
[11:41] <fALSO> the linux kernel is constantly chaging API's
[11:41] <Meatballs> quake2 was better anyway
[11:41] <M0RBD> Imagine there's no Windows... It's easy if you try...
[11:41] <fALSO> you think broadcom will start to "alter" the blob every time the linux kernel changes apis ?
[11:41] <fALSO> keep on dreaming
[11:41] <BenO> fALSO, I agree, and I want to see what the blob support from broadcom is after the initial few months
[11:42] <fALSO> lets wait and see
[11:42] <piless_> fALSO: I don't expect we'll get any blob updates from broadcom
[11:42] <[deXter]> Meatballs, Blasphemy!
[11:42] <fALSO> from the looks... even the bootloader is a blob
[11:42] <fALSO> so no *bsd
[11:42] <philh> quake2 better?
[11:43] <Meatballs> better bunnyhopping and double jumping quirks etc
[11:43] <cjbaird> The problem with their choice of demos is they weren't "Amiga Bouncing Ball"-- a proper demo should hint at what's possible to do, not look like an end in itself...
[11:43] <fALSO> this was a huge marketing hype
[11:43] <fALSO> i cant understand why this will make the kids learn to program
[11:43] <fALSO> but a full computer wont
[11:43] <fALSO> LOL
[11:43] <fALSO> that doesnt make any kind of sense
[11:43] <BenO> cjbaird, to be fair, they were running others but certain demos were the ones that got reported on
[11:44] <philh> fALSO, the full computer has too many distractions, the pi will turn out to be largely useless for all the fun stuff they could be doing instead
[11:44] <Hourd> fALSO: a full computer will too, but this is super cheap
[11:44] <fALSO> and super slow
[11:44] <fALSO> and super useless for anything
[11:44] <BenO> cjbaird, at the gadget show, I was alternating between running spectrum emu, Atari 2600 emu (Stella works from repos) and Quake3. Guess which one got tweeted about :)
[11:44] <Hourd> you dont need massive performance to program
[11:44] <[deXter]> Well it's not like they'll be compiling an entire distro on the PI. :P
[11:45] <fALSO> lets learn how to program...
[11:45] <fALSO> lets put the children using VI
[11:45] <fALSO> because any Desktop will be too slow
[11:45] <Hourd> the desktop runs fine...
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[11:47] <fALSO> from what i've seen ppl saying here, thats not totally true
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[11:47] <cjbaird> The 'RPi will make a super-cheap Emulator box!' people were nearly as worse as the wannabe HTPC people wrt to getting the wrong idea and having expectations...
[11:48] <fALSO> LOL
[11:48] <fALSO> emulator box
[11:48] <fALSO> with a cpu with the speed of one from 1989
[11:48] <shirro> fALSO: it depends what your expectations are. when I was a kid I was programming on a b&w telly in blocky letters and the screen kept flickering
[11:48] <Da|Mummy> judging software after the first couple hundreds delivered doesnt make much sense either
[11:48] <fALSO> i used to program on zx spectrum 48k too
[11:48] <fALSO> but on todays age, that doesnt make any sense
[11:49] <Henchman21> oh yeah i did math on an abicus
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[11:49] <M0RBD> I'm just laughing at all people paying $100 + for a PI on ebAY..
[11:49] <Hourd> hurr
[11:49] <shirro> fALSO: the point is kids these days don't have spectrums and aren't learning to program
[11:49] <fALSO> LOL
[11:49] <M0RBD> They could get decent board for that money :D
[11:49] <fALSO> but all of them have computer
[11:49] <fALSO> but all of them have computers
[11:49] <fALSO> to acesss facebooks and stuff
[11:50] <fALSO> so its... EASIER, and cheaper
[11:50] <fALSO> to install a IDE and a Language
[11:50] <fALSO> that having to buy a "specific" machien to learn
[11:50] <fALSO> but thats just the marketing that was used
[11:50] <fALSO> to make all the zombies buy one :-P
[11:50] <Hourd> fALSO: a huge amount dont have their own computer
[11:50] <fALSO> yes
[11:50] <fALSO> in africa maybe
[11:50] <Hourd> no even in the UK
[11:51] <shirro> fALSO: parents aren't so keen on kids soldering stuff onto the family pc or mac
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[11:51] <fALSO> get a arduino
[11:51] <BenO> shirro, absolutely, or the software equivalent
[11:51] <fALSO> ifs its to learn programming and eletronic
[11:51] <cjbaird> Da|Mummy: "...but that's what Gen Y does, after their lifetimes of getting Instant Gratifaction froma mouse clink.." :P
[11:51] <Hourd> alot dont have access to a computer at home, but alot do have a family computer but its still hard tog et them into programming
[11:52] <BenO> Random parent: "Farmville isn't working as well as it was. What did you do to it, with your python thing?"
[11:52] <Meatballs> you could do all the same stuff on your family pc but its partly a mental block
[11:52] <fALSO> that doesnt make any sense
[11:52] <fALSO> but ok
[11:52] <Meatballs> when you learnt with a bbc,spectrum, win3.11, win95 you broke, but it was simple enough to fix
[11:52] <M0RBD> shirro: looking at the pictures of PI's received by people it looks like chinese parents don't mind their kids soldering PI's.
[11:52] <Meatballs> nowadays where do you start to fix win 7?
[11:52] <fALSO> LOL m0rbd
[11:52] <fALSO> LOL m0rbd !!!!
[11:53] <BenO> There are a lot of parents who view the family pc as voodoo - attributing unrelated acts as causation
[11:53] <Meatballs> do you really want to dick around with the ?300 gpu to see if its seated correctly?
[11:53] <fALSO> yes
[11:53] <fALSO> they dont allow the kids to use the pc
[11:53] <fALSO> but will allow them to connect the keybiard, mouse lcd
[11:53] <fALSO> to a rpi
[11:53] <Meatballs> I would, but I grew up with experience of pluggin and dicking around with new machines
[11:53] <fALSO> LOL
[11:53] <fALSO> well, enjoy
[11:53] <Meatballs> its ?16 which is why you dont care
[11:53] <Meatballs> rather than ?500
[11:54] <BenO> fALSO, or at schools - the battles I've had with school BOFHs who didn't have the intelligence to be a true bastard...
[11:54] <fALSO> will wait a few more weeks to learn moar about this lol
[11:54] <Meatballs> and lots of families go with laptops nowadays
[11:54] <Meatballs> which are even less likely to be toyed around with
[11:54] <shirro> schools are the same. if you show some understanding you get viewed with suspicion. lots of anti-intellectual witch hunts against "hackers"
[11:54] <shirro> only way to please the authorities is to get people off the "real" pcs
[11:55] <Meatballs> when I was teaching we weren't allowed admin access to reset kids passwords
[11:55] <Meatballs> which ended in added workload for technicians, longer delays as kids wandered around school
[11:55] <shirro> lots of schools don't even control their own it infrastructure
[11:55] <Meatballs> oh you want this piece of software installed? its free isit?
[11:55] <cjbaird> Hourd+Ben0: Yep, I know //all// about the clueless parents blaming the family hacker for everything on the computer.. >_>
[11:55] <Meatballs> fill in this form and we'll get back to you in 6 months.
[11:56] <M0RBD> fALSO: jokes aside... I'm a bit surprised over the quality... As I have some experience if cards made overthre and they where reasonable good quality..
[11:56] <Hourd> cjbaird: i had the same =[ still do and i dont live there anymore
[11:56] <Meatballs> I broke my family PC loads of times
[11:56] <Meatballs> but nothing a quick format and long reinstall wouldn't fix ;)
[11:57] <zgreg> re: earlier discussion
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Does UK have some sort of consumer protection thing that you can contact if you were scammed by a certain business? (not raspberry pi, obviously)
[11:57] <M0RBD> format c: autostart /yes
[11:57] <zgreg> I think it was a big mistake to make those xbmc and q3 demos so early
[11:57] <M0RBD> zgreg: yeah
[11:57] <M0RBD> zgreg: they created an expectation.
[11:58] <Meatballs> trading standards I guess for commercial stuff ShiftPlusOne
[11:58] <shirro> not a huge qt fan but sad that more people didn't pick up on the qt demos. I guess you can do all that stuff in a browser with webgl these days but I thought that was more interesting than q3 or xbmc
[11:58] <zgreg> if they started to aggressivey market the board with such demos now, that woud have been more reasonable
[11:59] <cjbaird> Nothing sucks more than a parent buying a Mac Plus (in 1990), and being denied access to it because /You'll wreck it with your hacking!/ ... So yes, if I were <18yo now, I'd be beg/borrow/stealing anything so I could get an RPi. :D
[11:59] <Meatballs> or police if its serious fraud ?
[11:59] <Iota> Good morning, #raspberrypi.
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Meatballs, thanks, I'll look into it.
[11:59] <shirro> Iota: is it still running?
[11:59] <piless_> zgreg: I dunno, it's a bit of a double edged sword. I doubt it would have barely gotten any publicity at all without them.
[11:59] <Iota> Yeah.
[11:59] <Iota> Left it on overnight. :o
[12:00] <shirro> Iota: watch out for that power bill
[12:00] <Iota> Going to try for the largest uptime! \o/
[12:00] <Iota> Haha.
[12:00] <Henchman21> 05:59:37 up 59 days, 15:27, 7 users, load average: 1.36, 1.29, 1.30
[12:00] <Iota> Nice.
[12:00] <zgreg> so, any angry reviews yet? :D
[12:01] <piless_> Iota: Got a ups?
[12:01] <shirro> Iota: I suspect there will be heaps of firmware/kernel updates as problems get reported so uptime probably isn't going to last
[12:01] <Iota> Nope D:
[12:01] <BenO> Iota and others w/ Pis, there are a few new bits and pieces on the firmware repo - a new start.elf and snd_bcm2835 for a start
[12:01] <Hourd> cjbaird: i wasnt alowed on the family computer after it got a virus, and i was blamed fro breaking it (i was 14) so i saved up, bought parts, built my own
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[12:01] <Iota> Yeah, just kidding about that. Though I'm glad it lasted the night.
[12:01] <piless_> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-review/1
[12:01] <Iota> Had a terrible feeling I'd wake up to a dead pi.
[12:01] <shirro> BenO: did the new start.elf stop the mplayer crash?
[12:02] <BenO> shirro, to an extent - we now know what it is that is causing the problems
[12:02] <BenO> shirro, I just played 27s of ogg vorbis on it :)
[12:02] <piless_> http://dehype.org/2012/blowing-raspberries/
[12:02] <BenO> shirro, (via alsa)
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[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> In UK, if you go to court, does the losing party have to cover all costs?
[12:08] <Henchman21> dont know whats worse seeing one on ebay for 150$ or that somone actually bid on it
[12:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> ShiftPlusOne yes YMMV though
[12:08] <SocksG> ShiftPlusOne: Depends on the judge(ment)
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[12:09] <piless_> ShiftPlusOne: small claims?
[12:09] <SocksG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_(English_law)
[12:09] <BenO> Henchman21, I think they are going to be disappointed :)
[12:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> small claims courts works - I'ved used them agaist parcel farce before now
[12:09] <piless_> http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/law_e/law_legal_system_e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> piless_, perfect, thanks.
[12:13] <M0RBD> Class action?
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[12:13] <BenO> Already?
[12:13] <M0RBD> Nah..
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[12:14] <Henchman21> i have a suspicion the chick selling it on ebay isnt going to donate the money
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[12:16] <BenO> Just got my Farnell hardware pr0n email - they are touting the Pi pre-order as the prime thing on the advert
[12:17] <BenO> and they are selling sexy-looking handheld oscilloscopes too :)
[12:17] <Hourd> ooooo
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[12:18] <BenO> Ooo and they are advertising the STM32F4 boards too: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/displayproduct.jsp?SKU=2009276&CMP=e-dd53-00001273 they are pretty damn tasty
[12:19] <Henchman21> thats not an oscilliscope
[12:20] <urs> BenO: there was a graphics demo for that thing released at revision demoparty this easter: http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=59095
[12:20] <BenO> Henchman21, no, I haven't linked to the oscilloscopes :)
[12:20] <Henchman21> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/dso-quad-aluminium-alloy-black-p-1034.html?cPath=174
[12:20] <BenO> urs, sweet, thanks :)
[12:21] <BenO> urs, bit-banged VGA... wow, we thought it would be possible on that board but... cool :)
[12:21] <BenO> Henchman21, okay, you win - that is damn nice :)
[12:21] <Henchman21> pricey though
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[12:23] <BenO> Henchman21, Not pricey compared to some of the other offerings that do the same!
[12:25] <urs> BenO: apperantly they have plenty of CPU cycles per pixel on that machine. They are only a little short on RAM (just enough for 2 framebuffers).
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[12:30] <BenO> urs, Yes, I played with it a little while back - very impressive, but as you say lacking in RAM - I think it was put out as an evaluation board initially
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[12:33] <Veryevil> What do I need to cross compile quake? I have pulled the source from git and have a cross compile toochain which works just fine but its looking for khronos?
[12:34] <Veryevil> DO I need original game files?
[12:34] <BenO> Veryevil, you'll need the original data files to play the original game
[12:36] <Veryevil> ok what about this khronos?
[12:37] <BenO> http://www.symbio.com/company/partners/khronos/ likely to do with the GL ES, etc parts
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[12:44] <friggle> BenO: you probably want headers and libs from github.com/raspberrypi/firmware (in the opt dir)
[12:44] <friggle> I mean Veryevil
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[13:06] <Iota> Hey, BenO.
[13:06] <Veryevil> PI just arrived!
[13:06] <BenO> Iota, Hey :)
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Veryevil: :)
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[13:07] <BenO> Veryevil, Yay :)
[13:08] <Veryevil> is the SC number on the bottom the serial number?
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[13:09] <Iota> I believe the serial number is the last 4 digits after the date it was made.
[13:09] <Veryevil> 0051 then!
[13:09] <Iota> Oh wow.
[13:09] <Iota> Nice!
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[13:30] <Veryevil> is is supposed to run at about 50 degrees C?
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[13:31] <zgreg> Veryevil: that is most probably normal, yes
[13:32] <Veryevil> Do we have the root password for the debian image?
[13:32] <BenO> sudo
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[13:32] <BenO> sudo -s will get you a root shell
[13:32] <BenO> 50 deg C? Is it too hot to touch?
[13:33] <Veryevil> what if i hate sudo and want a proper root account. This is debian not ubuntu
[13:33] <haltdef_> sudo passwd root
[13:33] <huene> well, than use sudo -s for once and configure it your way
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> Hmm - there are already modular solutions for overclocking.
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130676692171
[13:35] <BenO> SpeedEvil, lol :)
[13:35] <Veryevil> its runnign at 50 deg C. I can keep my finger on it but it is rather warm
[13:35] <M0RBD> a bloke with a dryer
[13:36] <M0RBD> err fan
[13:36] <M0RBD> :D
[13:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> 50Deg C you would not be able to keep your finger on it
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[13:36] <SpeedEvil> 50C is borderline, probably
[13:37] <BenO> The chip package is a bit below blood temperature for me - quite comfortable to get a finger on it, but warm to the touch
[13:37] <BenO> s/get/put/
[13:38] <friggle> the smsc9512 gets a lot warmer than the dcm2835 for me
[13:38] <friggle> *bcm2835
[13:40] <BenO> The ethernet chip on my nanode gets a damn sight warmer than the Pi :)
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[13:44] <M0RBD> Hum, I might wait for MX6i based boards to be released...
[13:44] <M0RBD> Quad Core sub $200
[13:44] <M0RBD> apparently..
[13:45] <M0RBD> iMX6 evn
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[13:46] <zgreg> well, unfortunately, what ARM *really* needs is improved single-threaded performance
[13:46] <zgreg> quadcore is pretty useless
[13:47] <zgreg> at least for the moment
[13:47] <zgreg> that's also why the quadcore cpus in new tablets and smartphones is mostly a marketing feature
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[13:47] <zgreg> s/cpus/cpu/
[13:48] <M0RBD> yeah
[13:48] <M0RBD> that makes sense
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[13:50] <zleap> that wasn't meant to happen
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[13:50] <huene> printf("Hello World!"); // or so ...
[13:50] <zleap> \msg hands BenO some WD40 and rust remover :D
[13:50] * M0RBD adds some duct tape
[13:50] <zleap> /msg hands BenO some WD40 and rust remover :D isn't being interpreted correctly
[13:50] <BenO> huene, yeah, I'm trying to write a little 'hello ALSA' type program to test withj
[13:50] * philh points out /me to zleap
[13:51] <zleap> oh yeah duh sorry
[13:51] <_sundar_> hi guys, just saw a video of the RPi running xbmc. just wondering if there is too much effort to do that.
[13:51] * zleap hands BenO some WD40 and rust remover :D isn't being interpreted correctly
[13:51] <BenO> zleap, ty kindly :)
[13:51] <zleap> np
[13:51] <BenO> _sundar_, too much media attention, yeah :)
[13:51] <_sundar_> what about the hardware h264 decoder support?
[13:52] <ReggieUK> so, how many xbmc requests have their been in the last couple of days?
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[13:52] <BenO> AHA It now seg faults when given the right alsa device! progress!
[13:52] <_sundar_> BenO, am interested to run the RPi as a cheap media player
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[13:52] <ReggieUK> sundar, you and about 90,000 other people
[13:52] <shirro> _sundar_: it will play video fine. do you want sound as well?
[13:53] <BenO> _sundar_, IMO, you might want to wait a while or look at other boards
[13:53] <techman2> hey shirro
[13:53] <ReggieUK> shirro_, ahahahahahahaha
[13:53] <_sundar_> shirro, of course!
[13:53] <techman2> any word on your pi yet?
[13:53] <BenO> shirro, sound is close, so close ;)
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[13:53] <_sundar_> BenO, but why?
[13:53] <philh> heh
[13:54] <friggle> sounds works fine in xbmc, which has an openmax audio backend
[13:54] <shirro> techman2: nope. some e14 rep on the pi forums said some were shipping to .au but don't know if I will be in first batch or not
[13:54] <BenO> _sundar_, for a start, the ALSA driver for the sound hw is - at best and in scare quotes - "Alpha" quality
[13:54] <_sundar_> BenO, I've got a beagleboard xM but this one doesn't decode 1080p.
[13:55] <techman2> shirro: yeah, they're saying they're in serial production now but they're talking about no more until another 4k in may after that?
[13:55] <_sundar_> BenO, hmm that is one big bummer
[13:55] <zgreg> shouldn't the xM up to it?
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[13:55] <_sundar_> zgreg, nah the specs says no 1080p
[13:55] <BenO> _sundar_, You can throw video bytes at the hw and get it to display video at 1080p sure. Getting it so that you can just run 'mplayer Foo.h264' or vlc is another matter
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[13:56] <BenO> Still some plumbing left to do and some questions yet to answer
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[13:56] <friggle> BenO: did Liz/Eben get to the bottom of your board issues?
[13:56] <_sundar_> BenO, well I'll wait for some more time then. The pandaboard does 1080p with good audio support but its way too costly
[13:57] <BenO> friggle, It looks like the SD slot is just a little picky and I am unlucky - It was the randomness of the boots that confused me
[13:57] <friggle> BenO: as in the slot is badly soldered, or just an issue with sd cards?
[13:58] <shirro> _sundar_: I am sure the Pi will get there. The roku2 has the same hw. might just be a but frustrating if you want it to work out of the box at this stage
[13:58] <BenO> friggle, eg cards that work fine in other embedded devices (GP2X for one) just do not want to work in this board
[13:58] <friggle> I haven't thrown loads of media at it, but xbmc seemed in pretty good shape to me. Not ready for prime time yet, but worked well enough
[13:58] <BenO> friggle, I've found a card that works and in due time I'll find someone else with a card that works on their RPi for me to try on this one
[13:58] <_sundar_> shirro, hmm also will there be any minor hardware revisions in the board? any problems seen so far in the first batch?
[13:59] <friggle> BenO: sounds like a plan
[13:59] <shirro> _sundar_: all I have heard of is sd card problems - people just get another card
[13:59] <BenO> _sundar_, I agree with friggle - it's in decent shape and should improve in time
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[14:01] <_sundar_> shirro, BenO, ok guys. hope these problems will be sorted out soon. i can't wait!
[14:02] <shirro> _sundar_: BenO 's alsa prob doesn't hurt xbmc. it is only if you want to use sound in most other linux apps.
[14:03] <BenO> _sundar_, I'm very sure they will in the next week or so :)
[14:03] <BenO> shirro +1
[14:03] <ReggieUK> so what's the issue with SD atm? I know some where having issues yesterday, is it more than class 10 issues?
[14:04] <_sundar_> shirro, xbmc will be the only use for me. if there are no hardware issues i'd order even now. hope it'll take two weeks or more to deliver
[14:04] <shirro> ReggieUK: seems random
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[14:05] <_sundar_> i've got only class10 SD cards. is there any problem with specific class or brand or something?
[14:05] <ReggieUK> yes
[14:05] <ReggieUK> class 10 are known to have issues with the pi
[14:05] <BenO> ReggieUK, At the moment, the issues are just anecdotal (eg I have a problem, not There is a problem) - I need more cards to test with to see if it is just my board for example
[14:05] <BenO> (aside from the class 10, which has been confirmed?)
[14:05] <zgreg> the problem isn't specific to class 10, it's specifc to SD 3.0
[14:05] <ReggieUK> have you tried transflash or microSD in an adapter?
[14:05] <zgreg> all cards that support SD 3.0 are problematic
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[14:06] <ReggieUK> zgreg, ahh, I didn't know they'd refined it to a specific issue now
[14:06] <ReggieUK> previously it was class 10
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[14:06] <zgreg> the SD 3.0 standard mandates a new lowered I/O voltage of 1.8V, and the raspberry pi does not support that. unfortunately it still initializes the cards to SD 3.0 mode...
[14:06] <ReggieUK> so is there a test for whether your card has SD 3.0 support?
[14:06] <shirro> is there a diagnostic you can run on a card to see if it is SD 3.0?
[14:07] <ReggieUK> zgreg, I Thought that was a 1bit/4bit issue? or is that the difference between sd 3.0 and sd x.0 ?
[14:07] <zgreg> well, you can't do that with a normal SD reader for the PC...
[14:07] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no, it's not 1bit vs 4bit
[14:07] <zgreg> even the first SD standard supports 4bit
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[14:08] <ReggieUK> I'm slightly confused then :) I thought from last week some time that they'd id'd that it doesn't flip into 4bit mode and the 1.8v thing was related to that, my bad
[14:08] <ReggieUK> zgreg, well, that's what I'd thought, I've been running other arm devices that futz with SD and they all run 1/4bit
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[14:08] <ReggieUK> that are not even close to knowing what class 10 means :)
[14:09] <ReggieUK> Thanks for clearing that up
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[14:10] <MilanFIN> is this sold in europe yet?
[14:10] <MilanFIN> in finland?
[14:11] <MilanFIN> or can I preorder it yet
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[14:13] <BCMM> MilanFIN: there is a queue
[14:13] <zgreg> that reminds me, I need to cal farnell
[14:13] <zgreg> *call
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[14:14] <MilanFIN> all I can find is "register my interest"
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[14:14] <BCMM> MilanFIN: yes. that is how you get in the queue.
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[14:15] <philh> MilanFIN, there's a preorder button here http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?ICID=I-RASP-HPBLOF-0015&bespokepage=farnell/en_UK/promotions/raspberryPi.jsp
[14:16] <philh> is it the RS site you're looking at with the register interest option?
[14:16] <MilanFIN> ye
[14:16] <MilanFIN> cause I saw they sell stuff to finland also
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[14:17] <philh> oh, do farnell not?
[14:18] <MilanFIN> just tell me if some of those shops sell and deliver those to finland
[14:18] <philh> admittedly i know certainly used to be a bit funny with international orders, not sure if the pi is a special case
[14:18] <MilanFIN> and if I can preorder one at their site
[14:18] <philh> i'm not in a position to do the research for you, i'm sure it's not hard to find out
[14:19] <philh> alternatively you can order one for ?240 on ebay, they'll probably post anywhere for that price
[14:19] <MilanFIN> :D
[14:20] <MilanFIN> what does "registerin my interest" mean
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[14:20] <MilanFIN> just getting an e-mail when one comes out
[14:20] <rm> RS will be a lot cheaper for most countries than Farnell
[14:20] <MilanFIN> or is it like preorder?
[14:20] <rm> no commitment
[14:21] <rm> but you will get a secret link to the actual order
[14:21] <philh> i'm not sure, has the RS site ever turned into a pre-order or have they been contacting those who've registered interest in batches to make real orders?
[14:21] <rm> to make the *
[14:21] <rm> not just "hey it kinda came out"
[14:21] <MilanFIN> ok
[14:21] <MilanFIN> if it would only be a notice "they are now out" they would be sold in hours
[14:21] <MilanFIN> :D
[14:21] <zleap> i am still waiting for any e-mails from rs got one a while back that is it
[14:22] <philh> one of the guys selling on ebay seems to have received his from RS
[14:22] <MilanFIN> they send e-mails in order to those who have left their address?
[14:23] <philh> that's the impression i get
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> philh how do you know it's an rs one?
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[14:23] <philh> RaTTuS|BIG, big RS logo on the box and some excuse about having ordered from both sites by accident
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ah right ok [I've not looked on ebay]
[14:28] <Iota> I want a case. :(
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[14:29] <Hourd> make one
[14:29] <MilanFIN> I want the raspberry pi only, will make a case :D
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[14:31] <BenO> Woo! Sine wave through ALSA works fine :)
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[14:32] <Iota> Hehe, BenO. Your Pi's first words?
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[14:35] <BenO> Iota, My Pi's first ALSA spoken words ;)
[14:35] <Iota> :D
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[14:39] <NoPinky> hello
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[14:41] <NoPinky> just today I noticed that Farnell wrote me an email about my order for an RP, that's from April 1st, I followed the link and still can place my order
[14:42] <NoPinky> is this just a preorder queue or is there a RP reserved for me that they will ship within the next days?
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[14:45] <chronofast> so many unboxings
[14:47] <NoPinky> so? noone can tell me?
[14:48] <BenO> Farnell could but I don't know
[14:48] <NoPinky> I see
[14:48] <ukscone> hh my newark ship date changed :)
[14:49] <chronofast> did it, my newark date didnt
[14:49] <ukscone> from aug 16th to aug 15th
[14:49] <ukscone> :)
[14:49] <NoPinky> lol?
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[14:51] <ukscone> what i find interesting is that i ended up with two orders in somehow, muxt have clicked the wrong button so i have 1 odered 29th fed and one 2nd march the diff in order number is 400,000
[14:52] <ukscone> 91013xxxx vs 91053xxxx
[14:52] <chronofast> maybe you get two, sounds good to me
[14:52] <ukscone> and that's just at newark
[14:52] <Kolin> they sell more than just rpis though
[14:53] <ukscone> chronofast: as soon as i saw it i rang them and they said i couldn't kill the 2nd
[14:53] <chronofast> ohh is that odd, I bet you could now, as long as it's on backorder you should be able to
[14:53] <ukscone> Kolin: yes they do but normally if i order closely say 3 days the order number is diff by a couple of thousand
[14:53] <ukscone> chronofast: not last time i tried (last week)
[14:54] <ukscone> but they'll have fun trying to get the money from the credit card as it was a prepaid one and i used all the balance nwo :)
[14:55] <Da|Mummy> i originally had an order for 8 rpis in
[14:56] <chronofast> i'd love to get 8, set up some AI racing around a track
[14:57] <Da|Mummy> well, the order was for farnell australia, and they wont ship to usa. so those 8 are cancelled
[14:58] <BenO> friggle, ukscone
[14:58] <chronofast> systems are only as smart as the people who build them unfortunatly
[14:58] <BenO> friggle, ukscone do you know where the module src is for snd_bcm2835
[14:58] <BenO> ?
[14:59] <ukscone> BenO: if it isn't in the kernel git repo then nopw sorry i don't
[14:59] <chronofast> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[14:59] <chronofast> the source?
[14:59] <chronofast> ek
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[15:00] <BenO> ukscone, hmm okay - I pull it down and have a go at 'find'ing it - can't spot it browsing the github pages
[15:00] <BenO> i'll*
[15:01] <Caver> hi
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[15:01] <Caver> Beno: aha you got it running
[15:01] <Caver> what was wrong in the end?
[15:01] <Matt> ukscone in da house :)
[15:02] <BenO> Caver, Rpi didn't like the majority of my SD cards which was surprising :)
[15:02] <BenO> Caver, or if you are talking about the ALSA part - still working on that :)
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[15:03] <Caver> I got mine going - and also it turned out had a card that you could write to, verify, and 5 mins later verify again, with a different checksum!!!
[15:03] <Matt> Caver: well that's intresting
[15:03] <BenO> Caver, Very odd
[15:03] <BenO> Hope you found a stable card!
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[15:03] <Caver> though I did get hacking away, and have successfully written high and low to the GPIO port and actually measured it
[15:04] <Caver> yup ... thank goodness for 24 hour tesco's
[15:04] <Caver> though interesting factoid ... GPIO 3, for some reason is GPIO22 if your talking to it from the /sys/class/gpio bit of the kernel!
[15:05] <Caver> gpio's 3 and 5 have the pull resistor built in, so thats cool
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[15:05] <ukscone> Caver: probably a an alt func remapping
[15:05] <MilanFIN> do I get any e-mail from rs immediately?
[15:05] <MilanFIN> after the register
[15:05] <MilanFIN> to interest for raspberry pi
[15:05] <MilanFIN> any confirmation?
[15:05] <Caver> I don't know but it was hellishly confusing
[15:06] <Caver> Names GPIO0, GPIO1, GPIOx-ALTy, etc refer to the signal names on the SoC as enumerated in the Broadcom datasheet, where "x" matches BCM2835 number (without leading zero) and "y" is the alternate number column 0 to 5 on page 102-103 of the Broadcom document. For example, depending on what you are describing, use either "GPIO7" to refer to a row of the table, and "GPIO7-ALT0" would refer to a specific cell of the table.
[15:06] <Caver> what *ever* that means
[15:07] <Caver> still - am totally thrilled it worked and such an easy interface to use
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[15:08] <Caver> BenO: which distro are you going for?
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[15:10] <BenO> Caver, sticking with the debian reference img for the time being
[15:11] <Caver> ditto
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[15:12] <SocksG> So the computer is just sitting there waiting for a replacement.
[15:12] <Matt> SocksG: well that was careless - you shall have to go grab another
[15:13] <BenO> You can power it via the GPIO pins if you are careful :)
[15:13] <Caver> lol
[15:13] <SocksG> :-)
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[15:13] * SocksG is clearly not careful
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[15:17] <Matt> SocksG: heh
[15:18] <SocksG> I have a new cable which should arrive in today's UPS delivery (I work somewhere that gets a daily delivery from most of delivery companies)
[15:18] <Matt> well tht's not too bad
[15:18] <Matt> I'd just run out to somewhere like sayal or active surplus and grab another
[15:18] <Caver> well probably better safe than sorry - how did you break it?
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[15:19] <SocksG> Caver: Left it on the floor. Wheeled my office chair over the end.
[15:19] <ahven> hmm, microusb cables are so rare items that any electronics aren't selling them? or is UPS is free for such tiny deliveries too? :)
[15:19] <Matt> ahven: my guess is he tacked it onto another order
[15:20] <SocksG> Yes
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[15:20] <Caver> oops
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[15:20] <Matt> hrm, that's a point
[15:20] <Matt> did I remember to grab that fan before leaving today
[15:21] <Matt> answer, yes :)
[15:21] <Matt> good stuff
[15:21] <SocksG> Actually, I had an order for an SD card, an HDMI cable, and the MicroUSB cable from one of my suppliers that offers "free next day delivery" on all orders
[15:21] <SocksG> I placed the order last Thursday
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[15:21] <Matt> handy
[15:21] <friggle> BenO: it's in sound/arm/bcm2835*
[15:22] <SocksG> So yesterday (when the Raspberry Pi arrived) I had to nick an SD card from an MP3 recorder we have in the office and likewise nick the cables from other uses.
[15:23] <SocksG> Yay, "parcel in reception"
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[15:24] <BenO> friggle, That's where the compiled .ko file is - it would be nice to see the source, as per: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2#issuecomment-5173869
[15:25] <Hopsy|2> can someone help me?
[15:26] <Hopsy|2> is gpu and cpu card in a notebook seperated?
[15:26] <friggle> BenO: no, I mean in the source tree. github.com/raspberrypi/linux/sound/arm
[15:26] <Hopsy|2> passstab: hepl!
[15:26] <friggle> BenO: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm
[15:27] <passstab> what modal?
[15:27] <Hopsy|2> passstab: http://imgur.com/fVs8K
[15:27] <BenO> friggle, I'm still "Resolving Deltas" on that repo clone ;)
[15:27] <Hopsy|2> what is this?
[15:27] <Hopsy|2> my notebook crashed
[15:27] <BenO> friggle, Brilliant - found it now :)
[15:27] <Hopsy|2> and I am trying to find what the reason is
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[15:27] <Hopsy|2> my screen is always black so I dont see any output
[15:28] <Hopsy|2> I tried to run my notebook without the card on that image, my fan began too cool faster and faster
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[15:29] <passstab> dosn't get to bios?
[15:29] <Hopsy|2> I cant see my boot or bios screen, I tried to generate a beep by pressing all of the keys
[15:29] <Hopsy|2> but also no beep
[15:29] <Hopsy|2> :(
[15:30] <Hopsy|2> passstab: its totaly black
[15:30] <Hopsy|2> black screen of death
[15:30] <passstab> is it p407 ?
[15:30] <mkopack> lol aka : Is the power on?
[15:30] <Hopsy|2> yes, power leds going on
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> when I press the on button
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> and passstab the card or notebook?
[15:31] <passstab> what modal notebook
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> its an acer 5920 series
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> ZD
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> 1
[15:31] <Hopsy|2> ZD1
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[15:33] * BenO is going to find breakfast - energy needed. Going to have to learn more about ALSA drivers than I ever wanted...
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[15:34] <Hopsy|2> passstab: how can I test whats wrong with it
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[15:35] <Hopsy|2> I already removed both ram
[15:35] <passstab> i'm looking for a bios reset option
[15:35] <Hopsy|2> tried each one individal
[15:35] <Hopsy|2> ah
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[15:36] <Hexxeh> anyone else get called by farnell today?
[15:36] <Hexxeh> i missed the call, googled the number and it's farnell, raspberry pi related
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[15:37] <Hexxeh> 08447111159
[15:37] <BenO> They called to ask if you wanted 10 or just the one board
[15:37] <mkopack> Hexxeh: How many more do you have on order?!?!
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[15:37] <Hexxeh> None! :P
[15:37] <Hexxeh> Both of them have arrived
[15:37] <mkopack> lol
[15:37] <Hexxeh> Hence why I'm confused as to why they're calling me
[15:37] <mkopack> Maybe it's a "are you happy with it"? call
[15:37] <Hexxeh> Possibly
[15:38] * RaTTuS|BIG going up the road to preston to find hexxeh
[15:38] <Hexxeh> Considering I've only had it a day, they'd be a bit too early to be asking that though really
[15:38] <Hexxeh> http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08447111159
[15:39] <passstab> did they really?
[15:39] <passstab> isn't it one per?
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[15:39] <Hexxeh> who knows passtab
[15:40] <Hexxeh> can't call 0844 numbers from my mobile, will give them a call when i get home from uni see what's up
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[15:40] <passstab> you got all 10 right?
[15:40] <Veryevil> Does anyone know what the P2 header is for / its Pinout?
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[15:41] <Hopsy|2> passstab: did you find anything?
[15:41] <passstab> nope
[15:42] <passstab> you tryed all the switches?
[15:42] <Hopsy|2> switches?
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[15:42] <mkopack> Veryevil: It's the JTag header
[15:43] <Caver> Veryevil, JTag I think
[15:43] <mkopack> As per the Wiki: P2 and P3: 8-pin and 7-pin 2.54mm header expansion (header not fitted), providing:
[15:43] <Veryevil> didnt think this board had jtag?
[15:43] <mkopack> 6-pin GPU JTAG (ARM11 pinout)
[15:43] <Hopsy|2> passstab: which switch
[15:43] <passstab> ohhh
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[15:43] <passstab> you wher talking about ram
[15:44] <passstab> see if you can find a switch labeled cmos reset
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[15:45] <Hopsy|2> how do i remove this cover
[15:45] <passstab> and switch it while there is no power
[15:45] <passstab> ?
[15:45] <passstab> pic?
[15:45] <Hopsy|2> uhm ok wait
[15:45] <Hopsy|2> brb
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[15:47] <PReDiToR> Afternoon Tachyon`
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[15:47] <Tachyon`> hey
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[15:51] <OneFix_Work> Any word on when Newark would begin shipping?
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[15:56] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/sdwrs/hibernation_disabled_by_default_in_ubuntu_1204/
[15:56] <zgreg> people go apeshit over that? seriously?
[15:56] <zgreg> well, bashing canonical is a new fad
[15:58] <Hopsy> passstab: http://imgur.com/Qafks
[15:58] <lennard> not but canonical has annoyed me! it should be bashed!
[15:58] <lennard> well, maybe thats a bit drastic :)
[15:59] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: A couple people in here last night said they got notifications of shipment from Newark
[15:59] <OneFix_Work> It looks like Allied Electronics has lost orders
[16:00] <mkopack> I haven't heard BOO from Allied in over a month
[16:00] <passstab> the thing you are looking for (and it might not exist) is a jumper labeled cmos reset
[16:00] <passstab> i don't know where it would be
[16:00] <zgreg> allied is the US distributor, right?
[16:00] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Try logging in to look at your order...my email address no longer has a valid account
[16:00] <mkopack> Both folks who mentioned their Newark orders shipped out were ones who ordered prior to 9am eastern time
[16:00] <mkopack> I just did??? no update on mine
[16:01] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Allied = RS UAS, Newark = Farnell USA
[16:01] <zgreg> okay
[16:01] <mkopack> I compared order numbers with them and mine was about 3000 Order Confirmation #'s behind theirs
[16:01] <mkopack> I ordered around 10am
[16:01] <zgreg> well, apparently people that ordered *after* me already have a pi in their hands
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[16:01] <zgreg> farnell still tells me august
[16:02] <zgreg> sigh
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[16:02] <mkopack> Yeah it's a F'ing mess
[16:02] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Yea, mine is still listed as shipping on August 15th :)
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[16:02] <sm4wwg> well, I ordered
[16:03] <sm4wwg> Well, I ordered 29/02/2012 11:50 and do not even have a date from Farnell :-(
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[16:03] <mkopack> I'm convinced they lost orders or "register for interests"
[16:03] <OneFix_Work> sm4wwg: Newark in the US gives an "estimated ship date"
[16:03] <sm4wwg> Just says Back order on "Line status"
[16:03] <mkopack> I registered for interest with RS UK within the first minute of the site going up and I haven't heard anything in weeks from them
[16:04] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: I'm 99% sure that Allied Electronics has actually lost parts of their database.
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[16:05] <OneFix_Work> sm4wwg: Click on the order number
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[16:06] <passstab> are any of the people here in the unboxing videos?
[16:06] <PReDiToR> mkopack - I'm in the same boat. Waiting on the "how to order" email.
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[16:08] <mkopack> Eh, when it gets here it gets here??? I'll be out of town the rest of this week anyhow, so not like I'd be home to get it anyhow
[16:09] <Caver> lol I did consider making one
[16:09] <Caver> but thought it might leave too many hints as to my location lest I get death threats from jealous users
[16:10] <mkopack> How the hell many videos of somebody opening a package do we REALLY need?
[16:11] <Caver> it's youtube ... it's the rule!
[16:11] <passstab> mkopack, i'v been waiting for over half a year
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[16:12] <SimonT> sm4wwg: I ordered at 7:06 and the last time I heard from Farnell was March 5th :/
[16:13] <mkopack> passstab: Got ya bet??? Been watching this stuff since August
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[16:13] <mkopack> (make sure you indicate timezone when you give order times...)
[16:13] <passstab> what was happening then?
[16:13] <mkopack> (make sure you indicate timezone when you give order times???)
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[16:14] <mkopack> Just watching stuff when info would get posted to /. and such??? then when the website came up I joined and started watching a lot closer
[16:14] <SimonT> 1 hour 6 minutes after it was released ;)
[16:14] <SimonT> it was released at 6am GMT right?
[16:14] <sm4wwg> OneFix_Work: This is how it look when clicked on the order number http://imagebin.org/208488
[16:15] <mkopack> right 0600 GM
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[16:16] * passstab looks at the archives and relizes he's been waching since july
[16:16] <SimonT> yeah, so my order was at 7:06 GM
[16:16] * ukscone sets mode -b *!*@68.11.254.175
[16:16] <sm4wwg> SimonT: Ok, I think I ordered at 11:50 CET (maybe 10:50 UTC)
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[16:16] <zgreg> alright, I just called farnell, they didn't have a clue...
[16:16] <Blazemore> Hello, is this a good place for hardware troubleshooting help?
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[16:17] <zgreg> sigh
[16:17] <mkopack> Blazemore: What's up?
[16:17] <mkopack> we'll help if we can
[16:17] <SimonT> zgreg: really? I've heard that some people who ordered from Farnell have had their order filled...
[16:17] <Blazemore> Well, I have no output, and I'm thinking it might be an issue with not enough power
[16:17] <Blazemore> I've tried with and without the SD card
[16:17] <Blazemore> Main question: What is supposed to happen if you boot without an SD card?
[16:17] <mkopack> Need at least a 700ma 5V adaptor. MUST be 5v, 5.2V might be too much
[16:18] <SimonT> Nothing I think...
[16:18] <zgreg> mkopack: no, 5.2V is ok
[16:18] <Blazemore> Doesn't microUSB negotiate that kind of thing?
[16:18] <mkopack> And have you confirmed that your SD card is correct? You should see 2 partitions, 1 FAt, 1 EXT2(or was it 4?)
[16:18] <passstab> i know they actually ship since i saw there no preorder/donation policy
[16:19] <Blazemore> mkopack: I haven't considered the SD card as the problem because I assumed there would be at least something put out over HDMI if I boot without it
[16:19] <mkopack> zgreg: 5.2V is the extreme limit and if the adaptor says it's 5.2 that 5.2+/- some error, 5.2+ error will exceed the 5.0+/-.2 that the RPi can handle
[16:19] <zgreg> SimonT: as in, they couldn't tell me anything about my order and the odd expected delivery date
[16:19] <SimonT> Oh ok, that's still a bit strange
[16:19] <Blazemore> But I'll try redoing the SD card with proper GNU dd rather than that Windows thing
[16:19] <Blazemore> Second question: Does it have to be an SD card or can it be a MicroSD adaptor?
[16:19] <SimonT> Blazemore: are you using an external SD card reader?
[16:20] <Blazemore> SimonT: My PC doesn't have an SD slot, so I'm using my phone as a card reader
[16:20] <zgreg> mkopack: yeah, but still, 5.2V is inside the USB tolerance
[16:20] <Blazemore> It's worked in the past to make bootable Linux liveUSBs
[16:21] <shirro> Blazemore: phone? so is it a microsd?
[16:21] <mkopack> Blazemore: YEs, it can be a microSD inside an adaptor. Do NOT use a class 10 card though
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[16:21] <Caver> microSD with an adaptor is essentially fine
[16:21] <usa> Hey is there an Ubuntu server arm port I can use for raspberry pi?
[16:21] <Caver> usa: sadly not .. they only support a more advanced form of the ARM processor - so it doesn't work
[16:21] <Blazemore> usa https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server
[16:22] <Blazemore> Oh
[16:22] <Blazemore> Scrub that then
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[16:22] <Caver> they use ARMv7 I think, and Pi is ARMv6
[16:22] <shirro> usa: debian looks practically the same as a server anyway
[16:22] <Blazemore> Third question: Any good retro game emulators with ARM ports? Especially S/NES and Gameboy/Advance
[16:22] <mkopack> zgreg: yes, 5.2 (exactly) is fine. But if the adaptor says it puts out 5.2, then it might put out 5.3V which is above what the RPi can handle
[16:22] <SimonT> usa: Ubuntu is very similar to debian
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[16:23] <BenO|brb> Blazemore, there is virtualboyadvance in the contrib/non-free repos, but that may not work until ALSA does.
[16:23] <usa> But I can't just take an ubuntu server iso and load it into Pi can I? It's x86 based.... Doesn't there have to be an arm port for it?
[16:23] <BenO|brb> running it sound free might work round it, depending on how virtualboy adv does its thing
[16:24] <Blazemore> usa yes it has to have a kernel compiled for ARM, and all the programs compiled for ARM
[16:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> usa - no - you could nevre run an ISO on the PI anyway
[16:24] <Blazemore> BenO|brb: You can compile VBA without sound support with ./configure
[16:24] <BCMM> usa: if i recall correctly, Ubuntu's official ARM version does not run on the Pi's CPU
[16:24] <usa> OK blaze--- so does this exist for ubuntu server is my question----
[16:24] <BCMM> due to optimisation for later ARM cores
[16:24] <BenO|brb> usa, The Pi runs debian amongst other things - why do you need "ubuntu server"?
[16:24] <Caver> gngb - a Color Gameboy emulator
[16:24] <Blazemore> usa no, and here's the thing
[16:24] <usa> OK, that's what I was afraid of----
[16:24] <usa> :(
[16:24] <BenO|brb> You can run nginx, etc on other distros
[16:24] <Blazemore> It's not like a normal computer where you boot from install media
[16:24] <Caver> doing a quick apt-cache search for games ... there is a lot
[16:24] <Blazemore> When you flash the SD card, that *is* the hard disk
[16:25] <fALSO> blazemore, do you really think you will run a SNES emulator on a PI ?
[16:25] <Caver> usa: what is it your wanting to do with it?
[16:25] <BenO|brb> Caver, yeah - one of the side reasons I am keen to kick some form of OSS or ALSA into working shape ;)
[16:25] <Blazemore> fALSO: I'd love to be able to have a retro gaming machine totally silent
[16:25] <fALSO> it doesnt have enough cpu
[16:25] <fALSO> for any kind of emulation
[16:25] <shirro> usa: use the default pi debian image. it can do everything debian can do. ubuntu is based on debian so it will be very familiar
[16:26] <Caver> visualboyadvance - full featured Game Boy Advance emulator is one package to try then
[16:26] <fALSO> the best case would be a z80 cpu
[16:26] <fALSO> nothing more
[16:26] <BenO|brb> Blazemore, It certainly can run VICE (C64), Stella (Atari 2600) and Spectrum
[16:26] <fALSO> gameboy advance i doubt
[16:26] <BenO|brb> and does so with ease
[16:26] <usa> yeah, and thats exactly what I want Blaze--- Caver--- I want a text based console- no GUI at all- I don't even want the option of a gui loaded- I need basic things like apt-get availability/repositories... ssh server, sftpd, and apache2.... that's pretty much it. I want to run as light weight as possible. raspberry pi will be PERFECT for what I want to do. Any ideas on a distro?
[16:26] <fALSO> maybe normal gameboy
[16:26] <Blazemore> Isn't the current lot of SNES emulators very efficient? And didn't the SNES have like a 3Mhz CPU?
[16:26] <fALSO> yes
[16:26] <Blazemore> usa Debian
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[16:26] <fALSO> zsnes is tottaly on x86 assembly
[16:26] <fALSO> so forget about it
[16:26] <Blazemore> Oh
[16:27] <BenO|brb> Blazemore, the best one for speed (IMO zsnes) was very tuned for x64
[16:27] <Blazemore> That'd be why it's so efficient
[16:27] <usa> isn't debian bloated out with gnome 2 and whatnot?
[16:27] <BenO|brb> x86
[16:27] <fALSO> and snes9x needs a powerfull cpu
[16:27] <cjbaird> usa: just use any random distro, and remove the xorg packages...
[16:27] <shirro> usa: apt-get remove the stuff you don't want
[16:27] <Caver> usa debian
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[16:27] <Caver> you can apt get, it's all well packaged ... and ubuntu is actually just a tarted up version of debian anyway :)
[16:28] <zgreg> snes9x probably won't work
[16:28] <passstab> are there instructions to make a custom image?
[16:28] <fALSO> you guys can forget about most of emulation
[16:28] <fALSO> because the cpu is VERY SLOW
[16:28] <zgreg> modern PC emulators are tuned for accuracy, not speed
[16:28] <fALSO> and no emulator will use the GPU
[16:28] <zgreg> fALSO: heh, that's what I'm trying to tell people all the time, but I'm shot down as a troll...
[16:29] <Caver> erm ... setit up how you like, switch off, use DD to back the image up :)
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[16:29] <BenO> fALSO, I agree that many will run poorly, but let's wait a little til we try them out
[16:29] <fALSO> ya
[16:29] <fALSO> they will run, at 2fps
[16:29] <fALSO> im just waiting that someone tries to play a xvid or divx file
[16:29] <fALSO> on the PI
[16:29] <Caver> certainly until the X acceleration is sorted out a but, I wouldn't get too advanced with the gaming side of things
[16:29] <RaYmAn> fALSO: is it any more slow than any other similar specced arm device?
[16:29] <usa> wow- I get a lot more support in here than in the ubuntu channel- thanks guys--- I think pi is going to be a huge hit, and it would be beneficial to have a minimal text based console only for it- people could really get the feel for linux and how to use the guts of it..... I'll look into stripping down debian- I'll have to find out how to boot to just the console- if I remove x.org will
[16:29] <usa> it just auto boot to the console or are there other steps I need to do first? <-- kind of a newbie to linux.
[16:29] <fALSO> to see if the cpu can decode that
[16:30] <fALSO> because the gpu just likes h264, nothing more
[16:30] <Caver> usa: yea you can make it auto run a program on boot
[16:30] <mkopack> usa: You'll boot to a command line. From there you either start the emulator (if it doesn't need a desktop, or you startx to start your desktop and then run the emulaotor
[16:30] <fALSO> any of you guys that have one have already tried to play any kind of video that isnt h264 ?
[16:30] <Caver> and yes you can not auto start X ... in face debian doesn't anyway
[16:30] <mkopack> but yeah, you can change your boot up to start the emulator immediately
[16:31] <shirro> usa: I believe the debian image boots to a console anyway. you can remove packages if you need room. the image is just a way to get people going and I am sure more polished stuff will come out later including images aimed at console/servers
[16:32] <usa> nice- you guys are awesome- I'll check it out- I live near boston, and I'm going to order from Newark.... (local distributor) just awaiting stock!!! I'm very excited for it!!
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[16:32] <RaYmAn> fALSO: fwiw, there is a fairly well running PS1 emulator for GP2X... and gp2x is a 200mhz dualcore armv4t device.
[16:32] <Caver> :)
[16:33] <Caver> well work on the basis that it's about as fast as a pentium 2 - 300MHz
[16:33] <Caver> and you shoudl have an idea of it's performance
[16:33] <BenO> The GP2X also had a nice port of MAME too - v0.39 IIRC
[16:33] <fALSO> i doubt about that "fairly well"
[16:33] <RaYmAn> hence why I compared it to a another ARM processor ;)
[16:33] <Caver> for stuff that can be accelerated, probably a lot better
[16:33] <Blazemore> Someone will almost certainly make an image for a MAME arcade machine or something
[16:33] <mkopack> god knows I plan to!
[16:34] <Caver> hehehe defo
[16:34] <mkopack> As well as a C64 emulator
[16:34] <RaYmAn> fALSO: I haven't tried it myself, but there is a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wvBKFQIAdo
[16:34] * Caver pats his very old rom collection
[16:34] <BenO> Blazemore, It's more that the MAME port will be an earlier version, before it got overly concerned with accuracy
[16:34] <fALSO> there was also a video of the pi running quake 3
[16:34] <fALSO> there was also a video of the pi running quake 3 - but now theres no drivers
[16:34] <RaYmAn> fALSO: anyways, my point was that PS1 is a bit more demanding than NES/SNES =P
[16:34] <BenO> fALSO, ?
[16:34] <fALSO> so... lets forget about the video
[16:34] <Caver> yup - which shows how fast the GPU is when it's in accelerated mode
[16:34] <BenO> fALSO, I was playing it last week
[16:34] <fALSO> on a PI ?
[16:34] <BenO> Yes
[16:34] <fALSO> i see everyone saying that they dont have accelerated graphics, etc
[16:35] <mkopack> In fact, plan to take my Mega MAME set of 50DVD's full of Arcade, C64, Amiga, Intellivision, Collecovision, Nintendo, etc. roms
[16:35] <BCMM> Caver: there really is no meaning in using clock speeds to compare different architectures
[16:35] <BenO> They don't have *2d* acceleration for X yet
[16:35] <fALSO> LOL
[16:35] <BCMM> or even different subarchitechtures
[16:35] <BenO> But the OpenGL ES 2.0, and OpenMAXIL works fine
[16:35] <Caver> BCMM, that was the quote from those that should know on the blog on the performance front!
[16:35] <BenO> it's the plumbing between the hw and the normal linux APIs that is being worked on
[16:36] <BCMM> Caver: ah, i see
[16:36] <cjbaird> We had a talk here a few hours ago about how the Quake3 demo did more harm than good...
[16:36] <BCMM> Caver: i thought you said it ran at 300MHz and so was similar to a P2
[16:36] <fALSO> thats really nice
[16:36] <fALSO> selll first
[16:36] <fALSO> do the drivers then
[16:36] <phantoxe> status on 2D
[16:36] <fALSO> LOL
[16:36] <BCMM> "it is similar to a 300MHz p2" is fair enough
[16:37] <Caver> nope it runs at 700MHz
[16:37] <phantoxe> HOT
[16:37] <BCMM> it was the "- 300Mhz that threw me"
[16:37] <Caver> pi@raspberrypi:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:37] <Caver> Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
[16:37] <Caver> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[16:37] <Caver> to be exact
[16:37] <phantoxe> LOL
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[16:38] <Caver> How powerful is it?
[16:38] <Caver> The GPU provides Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode.
[16:38] <Caver> The GPU is capable of 1Gpixel/s, 1.5Gtexel/s or 24 GFLOPs of general purpose compute and features a bunch of texture filtering and DMA infrastructure.
[16:38] <Caver> That is, graphics capabilities are roughly equivalent to Xbox 1 level of performance. Overall real world performance is something like a 300MHz Pentium 2, only with much, much swankier graphics.
[16:38] <Caver> from the FAQ - http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[16:38] <Caver> then you get into overclocking, but lets not over complicate stuff
[16:39] <zgreg> Caver: it runs at 700 MHz - yes. but it does NOT perform like an x86 at 700 MHz at all!
[16:39] <cjbaird> There's also things like ALU pipelines and such, which x86 goes overboard on. I have a 800MHz MIPS Loongson CPU, but because it doesn't have all the instruction/math/etc. concurrent processing, the 2F specs out to about the same as a 450MHz P3.
[16:39] <Caver> I know
[16:39] <Caver> all I'm trying to give is a feel for things
[16:40] <Caver> though have to say ... for day to day desktop application stuff, it's faster than I thought it was going to be
[16:40] <zgreg> just saying, there are so many people that assume this...
[16:40] <Caver> defo wouldn't want it as only machine
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[16:40] <OneFix_Work> sm4wwg: You need to click the "Order Code" now
[16:40] <BenO> Caver, "it's faster than I thought it was going to be" <-- sums up my experience last week :)
[16:40] <Caver> :)
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[16:42] <ukscone> after -m'ing the channel do i REALLY have to go through manually to -v everyone in here?
[16:42] <ARMadillo> Chatting from my Raspberry Pi. \o/
[16:42] <OneFix_Work> BenO: That's because a 700MHz ARM is faster than a 700MHz x86
[16:42] <ARMadillo> Linux Armadillo 3.1.9-10+ #2 Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 UTC 2012 armv6l ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
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[16:42] <Caver> woot :)
[16:42] <RaYmAn> ukscone: does it matter? =P Eventually there'll only be very few left ;)
[16:42] * ARMadillo is Iota
[16:43] <Caver> ukscone, are we talking too much ?
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[16:43] <BenO> Iota, Yay :)
[16:43] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: err, nope. not at all.
[16:43] <passstab> is ARMadillo the only one using the pi to chat now?
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[16:44] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: I'm not sure where you got that from, but you couldn't be more wrong, really...
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[16:44] <zgreg> ARM trades power efficiency and simplicity for IPC
[16:44] <ARMadillo> Heh, it's pretty easy. Nothing more than installing a package. But I thought I'd come say hi. I'm in the library board. So ssh'ed to the Pi at home.
[16:44] <sm4wwg> OneFix_Work: Thanks! That takes me to the RPi product page. And then?
[16:44] <zgreg> on top of that ARM11 is a very old design
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[16:44] <ukscone> Caver: nope i'm trying to tidy up the channel settings and setup some quick macros to maintain it
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[16:44] <ukscone> removed the m from the channel as we don't really need it and pibot is down atm
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[16:45] <BenO> Visualboyadvance ran Mario Land 1 (GB) at around 1/2 speed in it's default config
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[16:45] <Veryevil> once i compile the kernel which file is it that I need to replace kernel.img with? I'm used to using uImage but this isnt
[16:45] * mkopack pounding head on desk listening to retarded Human Factors UI design people who Just DON'T F'ING GET IT
[16:45] <mkopack> gonna be a LONG LONG LONG day
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[16:46] <Caver> /boot/kernel.img
[16:46] <ukscone> mkopack: wanna go to the pub? i just found a $20 under the wife's pillow so i'm off to the pub
[16:46] <mkopack> I WISH!
[16:46] <Caver> on in the compiled directory?
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[16:46] <mkopack> I'm going to NEED a few beers after this day long meeting
[16:47] <mkopack> It AMAZES me how F'ing DENSE this lady is.. She just doesn't GET IT...
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[16:47] <Veryevil> is it one of the files in arch/arm/boot?
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[16:48] <mkopack> We've told her MULTIPLE times, we're not "transmitting" data directly over a network. We're just storing all the data into a file and then it's up to the user to get the data file to their customer. and yet she keeps insisting that it's different than just being a file, and wanting all this extra crap
[16:48] <Caver> Veryevil, yes but sorry I can't remember which one!
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[16:48] <Caver> zImage I *think*
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[16:49] <Veryevil> is there a way to read the file to check its armv6 compiled?
[16:49] <fALSO> file "name_of_file"
[16:49] <fALSO> the "file" command
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[16:59] <giggsey> Anyone tried http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003VNKNEG/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=computers&psc=1 ? The review on bit-tech suggests that it'll work
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[16:59] <zgreg> giggsey: there's now way to know, really
[17:00] <zgreg> giggsey: same model != same hardware internals
[17:00] <giggsey> k
[17:00] <zgreg> especially the cheap SD card manufacturers often swap out the hardware internals of SD cards without any change to model name
[17:00] <ARMadillo> I ended up buying a couple SD cards yesterday and trying them until I got a working one.
[17:01] <ARMadillo> From my expirence, Optima didn't work. Integral did. these may be UK only brands.
[17:02] <ARMadillo> Class 4, SDHC one did.
[17:02] <Caver> Class 10 cars are not recommended at the moment
[17:02] <Caver> *cards
[17:02] <ARMadillo> Yeah.
[17:03] <Veryevil> can any one confirm that its the zImage file I need to copy onto my sd card
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[17:03] <Caver> remember to copy the modules too
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[17:05] <Caver> check the readme it ought to say in the kernel source
[17:05] <Caver> - In order to boot your new kernel, you'll need to copy the kernel
[17:05] <Caver> image (e.g. .../linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage after compilation)
[17:05] <Caver> to the place where your regular bootable kernel is found.
[17:05] <mkopack> Veryevil: you don't just "copy" the zImage file. you need to do the dd command to build the filesystem for you
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[17:05] <Caver> is what it says in mine but yours might vary
[17:05] <mkopack> oh you're changing out kernels?
[17:05] <mkopack> (sorry, only half paying attention here)
[17:05] <Caver> mkopack, why not?
[17:05] <Caver> hehe ak
[17:06] <mkopack> (believe me, I'd rather be paying attention to this than the stupid ass Human Factors idiot on the phone...)
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[17:07] <Blazemore> When I use dd, can I be using my phone as an external SD card reader?
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[17:08] <Blazemore> I mean, /dev/sdc is /dev/sdc right? No matter how it's being accessed?
[17:08] <mkopack> Blazemore: as long as you confirmed that's the right device for your set??? should work
[17:08] <Caver> yes
[17:08] <mkopack> For instance, on my setup, it's /dev/sde
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[17:09] <ARMadillo> Make sure you don't dd over your phone.
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[17:10] <passstab> yes that would be bad
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[17:29] <Veryevil> found an article on what is needed to create the kernel.img file and now have my own kernel!
[17:29] <mkopack> does it work? :)
[17:30] <Veryevil> Although looks like ive missed out something keyboard related lol
[17:30] <Veryevil> but it boots
[17:30] <Veryevil> and goes to login promp
[17:30] <Veryevil> prompt
[17:31] <M0RBD> Is that you john wayne.. Is that me..
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[17:32] <Veryevil> looks more like a usb problem no ethernet either lol
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[17:35] <Hopsy> passstab: noooo
[17:35] <Hopsy> it doesnt work
[17:35] <Hopsy> I CANT wait till raspberrypi notebook appears
[17:35] <mkopack> Somebody else was posting complaining of their USB crapping out after 30 seconds??? Maybe they made the same mistake as you with the Kernel?
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[17:36] <mkopack> Just out of curiosity, why did you make your own kernel?
[17:36] <mkopack> What were you trying to add/remove?
[17:36] <M0RBD> NSAblobs
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[17:36] <mkopack> No Strings Attached? ;)
[17:36] <M0RBD> hehe
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[17:36] <zgreg> Hopsy: that sounds like a strange idea
[17:37] <M0RBD> zgreg: agreed.
[17:37] <mkopack> Hopsy: Actually, that wouldn't be hard to do???
[17:37] <Hopsy> zgreg: why strange
[17:37] <mkopack> You need a battery pack, a USB KB, a USB touchpad, a integrated USb hub??? What else?
[17:37] <mkopack> Maybe even add in a USB HD
[17:37] <traeak> so with the mali and qualcomm gpus under reverse engineering...
[17:37] <Hopsy> mkopack: screen
[17:37] <mkopack> and then some sort of screen
[17:37] <M0RBD> zgreg: Pandaboard or Beagleboard would be more suiteable imho
[17:37] <traeak> i guess there needs to be rpis out in the wild for that
[17:38] <mkopack> Should be build able - I bet Ben Heck could make something that looked really nice
[17:38] <Hopsy> mkopack: plus it must be cheap as possible
[17:38] <traeak> mele a1000/2000 would work if you don't need the pins
[17:38] <mkopack> Hopsy: Well, the screen would be the hardest part??? Everythign else can be gotten pretty cheap
[17:38] <Hopsy> how much will a screen cost?
[17:39] <Hopsy> something like 15.6 inch
[17:39] <zgreg> the sum of all the small and cheap parts won't be so small, though
[17:39] <des2> What size ?
[17:39] <passstab> i'm sorry
[17:39] <Hourd> Hopsy: i will be using a usb powered 13" that was ??100
[17:39] <zgreg> plus, the pi is not particularly energy efficient
[17:39] <Hourd> 1366x768
[17:39] <mkopack> No, but if you can find the screen relatively cheap, then the other stuff should be less than $100 no problem. Powering the screen is going to be the tough part
[17:39] <Hopsy> how much euros is that Hourd?
[17:39] <mkopack> That drastically ups the power requirements
[17:39] <zgreg> it's not made for battery usage
[17:39] <passstab> so did you find the jumper?
[17:40] <Hourd> Hopsy: look it up?
[17:40] <mkopack> But you COULD make something like a C-64 (all built into the KB, plug into your own screen) pretty cheap
[17:40] <Hourd> mkopack: yeah that would be awesome
[17:40] <Caver> I still can't get over how small it is
[17:41] <Hopsy> Hourd: link to that screen?
[17:41] <mkopack> You'd need some way to power the RPi + the USB Hub...
[17:41] <Hopsy> and mkopacksounds like an idea :p
[17:41] <mkopack> Some sort of battery pack that can put out enough juice. That's the $$$$ and weight...
[17:41] <Hopsy> sounds *
[17:41] <mkopack> Evyerthing else is small, and lightweightt and pretty inexpensive
[17:42] <passstab> is there a way to use the pi with a atrix?
[17:42] <mkopack> The only other issue is the screwy jack layout on the RPi???
[17:42] <Hopsy> I am going to buy a new notebook
[17:42] <DDave> why skrewy?
[17:43] <traeak> Hopsy: i just replaced the optical drive on my work notebook with a caddy and a 1tb samsung drive
[17:43] <passstab> Hopsy, hang on to the old one just in case
[17:44] <passstab> what brand?
[17:44] <mkopack> How do you hook the USB hub up while still exposing the Ethernet jack to be plugged in?
[17:44] <Hopsy> passstab: I dont know yet
[17:44] <Hopsy> passstab: why? do you know some?
[17:44] <passstab> i just got one from system 76
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[17:44] <Hourd> mkopack: you would have to use small extensions to the edge of a case
[17:44] <passstab> it works great
[17:45] <piless> is it out yet?
[17:45] <Hopsy> passstab: which brand?
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[17:45] <passstab> https://www.system76.com/
[17:45] <Hopsy> I see two
[17:46] <passstab> but i would buy zareason in the future
[17:46] <Hopsy> lemur and pangolin
[17:46] <passstab> http://zareason.com/shop/home.php?cat=
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[17:47] <mkopack> Hourd: yeah, in fact, might be better off using one of those Laptop port Replicators that are driven off USB, and a Model A.
[17:48] <piless> what is a laptop port replicator?
[17:48] <passstab> something from star trek :P
[17:48] <mkopack> Something like this: http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=212909876&sellerid=11408470
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[17:48] <passstab> oh
[17:48] <mkopack> (there are all sorts, at all different prices)
[17:48] <mkopack> This was just the first I found on google search
[17:48] <piless> is that a docking station?
[17:49] <passstab> i got the lemur
[17:49] <mkopack> Yeah, basically.
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II <- now theres something to port ...
[17:49] <piless> Oh, I never had a laptop that supported that :(
[17:49] <mkopack> You just hook up USB from your laptop and leave this on your desk hooked up to your monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.
[17:49] <mkopack> But I'm saying, you could use something like that to expose jacks if you were trying to build a Laptop out of an RPi
[17:50] <Caver> I like the mad scientest brain in a box approach of the pi though
[17:50] <passstab> but zareason supports Debian
[17:50] <mkopack> So you'd include something like this IN the "laptop"
[17:50] <piless> mkopack: video over usb.. how does that work? Has it got it's own gpu?
[17:50] <mkopack> piless: yes.. basically. I have a USB 9" Monitor
[17:50] <mkopack> That's what it does.
[17:50] <Caver> mind is now held up by the HDMI cable bluetacked to the back of the monitor
[17:50] <Kolin> its probably displaylink
[17:50] <mkopack> but you have to have drivers for your OS. We had a hell of a time getting it working right on Ubuntu x86
[17:51] <piless> Daaamn, I was looking for an external graphics card a couple of years ago.. but they were so bloody expensive
[17:51] <mkopack> they are *NOT* fast BTW...
[17:51] <Kolin> http://www.displaylink.com/
[17:51] <mkopack> But they can work fine for normal window non-graphics/games use
[17:51] <piless> I'm still waiting for wireless monitors
[17:51] <mkopack> they're a bit laggy
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[17:53] <piless> Personally I think building a laptop out of the pi is a fucking terrible idea
[17:54] <Caver> it's a free world!
[17:54] * passstab agrees
[17:54] <vinters> second that pimore
[17:54] <piless> Caver: That's a common misconception
[17:54] <passstab> no it's not
[17:54] <passstab> lol
[17:54] <Hourd> mkopack: i was planning on making my own port panel with usb hub and either stripping the ports off and wiring them in or mini extentions. pack it all in as small as possible
[17:54] <traeak> piless: absolutely...a10 or amlogic would be far more appropriate for that
[17:55] <piless> or better yet use a fucking x86
[17:55] <ARMadillo> I want to build a mini Cray SuperPi.
[17:55] <ARMadillo> :-D Best idea, ever!
[17:55] <piless> give arm a few years to catch up before trying to stick a desktop OS on it.
[17:55] <Caver> oooh ... complete with liquid cooling?
[17:56] <ARMadillo> Haha, that would be good.
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[17:57] <Hopsy> passstab: can you help me to find a gpu card?
[17:57] <passstab> hmm?
[17:57] <Hopsy> it should be support 3D
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[17:58] <Hopsy> and below 400 euros
[17:58] <traeak> gf240 :-p
[17:58] * BenO|food is now known as BenO
[17:58] <passstab> i know nothing about that
[17:58] <piless> I want to stab the guy who invented 3D
[17:58] <traeak> probably can find for 20euros or better -p
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[17:58] <traeak> you mean the hacking started by 3dfx ?
[17:59] <passstab> why do you want that?
[17:59] <BenO> mkopack, I know of a certain computer museum who are thinking of doing just that for the spectrum and c64 :) (Pi in case running emu)
[17:59] <Hopsy> piless: why
[17:59] <Hopsy> XD
[17:59] <BenO> mkopack, (from scrollback)
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[17:59] <piless> Hopsy: I can get you 3D for really cheap.
[17:59] <Hopsy> uhm well?
[18:00] <piless> Hopsy: First you buy some red blue glasses, and then start up minecraft. And then turn on anaglyph in the settings. BAM
[18:00] <traeak> cuyrrent 3d gpu technology is hacking done based on fill rate, oversampling, approximations
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[18:00] <traeak> actual physical models are simpler and better
[18:00] <traeak> but computationaionally expensive
[18:00] <piless> traeak: It's such a gimmick
[18:01] <traeak> piless: you mean 3d in general ?
[18:01] <traeak> piless: or current 3d techniques?
[18:01] <piless> Hopsy: Instead of playing cod in 3d you should just join the army
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[18:01] <piless> traeak: 4D or whatever they're calling i
[18:01] <piless> t
[18:01] <traeak> piless: 4d ? haven't heard of that
[18:02] <piless> traeak: It's just a marketing term used by the cinemas
[18:02] <passstab> and your DE shouldn't require 3D
[18:02] <piless> To denote their 3D
[18:02] <Hopsy> I have already a shutter glasses piless
[18:02] <traeak> piless: oh you mean that BS for movies....that's just gimmickery used as an excuse to charge you more. Movies are all about the story, nothing more, nothing less
[18:02] <piless> Hopsy: You'll need to throw those away. You need red blue ones
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[18:02] <traeak> if the story sucks i don't care how much 3d you throw at it, the story still sucks
[18:03] <traeak> piless: technically magenta/green are better for anaglyph
[18:03] <traeak> passive polarized glasses are most convenient
[18:03] <piless> traeak: Yeah but red blue is everywhere.
[18:03] <traeak> piless: technically red/cyan
[18:03] <piless> no way
[18:03] <piless> it's definitely blue
[18:03] <piless> like a dark blue
[18:03] <traeak> piless: sadly earlier this year i wrote a photogrammetric stereo measurement tool
[18:04] <piless> not cyan
[18:04] <traeak> wikipedia :-p
[18:04] <piless> http://thegeekchurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/red-blue-glasses.jpg
[18:04] <piless> BLUE
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[18:05] <Hopsy> green also works right?
[18:05] <traeak> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_image
[18:05] <piless> no
[18:05] <piless> it needs to be blue
[18:05] <traeak> green/magenta gives better balanced light pass through
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[18:06] <Hopsy> lol traeak
[18:06] <Da|Mummy> will there be any problems if im powering rpi with a 5v 2ah power supply?
[18:06] <piless> traeak: It doesn't matter that it's better. What matter is whats used by everyone
[18:06] <piless> And fact is red blue was everywhere
[18:06] <Caver> Da|Mummy, ought to be ok, as long as it is DC and smoothed
[18:06] <piless> And I never saw magenta green glasses
[18:06] <traeak> read the wikipedia page...red/cyan is by far the most common
[18:07] <Kolin> isnt minecraft nagenta/green?
[18:07] <traeak> magenta/green is newer
[18:07] <piless> you mean red blue
[18:08] <BenO> Kolin, I think that Minecraft by default is Red/Cyan
[18:08] <BenO> http://www.minecraft-resources.com/minecraft-news-minecraft-3d-red-cyan-anaglyph-glasses-zimbio
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[18:08] <piless> red blue
[18:08] <piless> not red cyan
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[18:09] <Hopsy> atleast its no blue
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[18:09] <BenO> (That link isn't that interesting, just one of the first to show up on a search)
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[18:09] <traeak> every stereo collection package supports red/cyan for anaglyph
[18:09] <NoPinky> my order from farnell will be delivered somewhere in May :(
[18:10] <Caver> mmm well mine was supposed to be august and arrived yesterday!
[18:10] <piless> my order from farnell with be delivered somewhere in england :(
[18:10] <traeak> interesting
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[18:11] <piless> http://i.imgur.com/W8kk2.jpg
[18:11] * SpeedEvil mehs.
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Today I had orders for two books from amazon.
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> I managed to send one to a completely random address that had ordered books before.
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Shipping is hard!
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[18:14] <piless> SpeedEvil: So one guy recieved free books?
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[18:14] <fALSO> thats smart
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[18:16] <SpeedEvil> yes. And someone else I had to cancel their order and refund
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> So I'm out a pound of stamps, and some goodwill.
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[18:17] <Hexxeh> within inches of getting chromium working
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[18:17] <Hexxeh> i can smell success it's so close
[18:17] <BenO> chromium or chromium-browser?
[18:18] <Hexxeh> browser
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[18:18] <BenO> Are you building from scratch then?
[18:18] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:18] <BenO> The repo version isn't that new or fast
[18:18] <piless> BenO: TO CONSTRUCT CHROMIUM FROM SCRATCH, FIRST YOU MUST CREATE THE UNIVERSE
[18:19] <fALSO> and then making a pact with satan
[18:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, Or was it firefox I tried last night...
[18:19] <fALSO> and sell your soul to google
[18:19] <BenO> nvm either way, the repo versions are ancient ;)
[18:19] <piless> firefox's arm port sucks hard
[18:19] <Hexxeh> fyi i'm gonna be adding the changes to make it accel :P
[18:19] <vgrade> Hexxeh, fingers crossed
[18:19] <Hexxeh> so technically, we'll be the fastest distro on the pi for a while :P
[18:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, Nice :)
[18:19] <Hexxeh> but it's because it's a single window, we can get away with it
[18:19] <piless> Hexxeh: At least until openelec comes out
[18:20] <curahack> Hexxeh, what distro?
[18:20] <ARMadillo> Is chromium build for Arm? :o I only saw firefox on Alarm.
[18:20] <Hexxeh> ARMadillo: i'm building it from source
[18:20] <Hexxeh> curahack: chrome os
[18:20] <ARMadillo> Oh cool. :D
[18:20] <curahack> who is porting it to ARM/
[18:20] <curahack> ?
[18:20] <Hexxeh> <-
[18:20] <Hopsy> piless: http://www.bridgat.com/files/3D_Glass_Senior_Red_Green3D_Eyesight_Glass_Frame.jpg
[18:20] <friggle> Hexxeh: fastest pi distro, that's a good competition to start :)
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[18:20] <Hexxeh> friggle: oh, i know :D
[18:21] <piless> Hopsy: photoshopped
[18:21] <curahack> Hexxeh, do you have a website or someware where people can follow your work?
[18:21] <Hopsy> lool
[18:21] <piless> curahack: He has a twitter
[18:21] <traeak> Hopsy: looks like magenta actually
[18:21] <curahack> what's your twitter?
[18:21] <Hexxeh> curahack: my twitter, @Hexxeh
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[18:21] * ARMadillo signs up for twitter.
[18:22] <piless> Hexxeh: You've got your very own stalker now.
[18:22] * curahack following @Hexxeh
[18:22] <BenO> Hexxeh, Your ideas intrigue me. Do you produce a magazine or monographs so that I may follow your progress? ;)
[18:22] <Hopsy> I bet it will work much better then cyan or even blue traeak
[18:22] <vgrade> Hexxeh, you adding the bcminit into browser code
[18:22] <piless> Hopsy: blue, not cyan
[18:23] <passstab> Hexxeh, when do you think of b2g?
[18:23] <traeak> Hopsy: yes magenta/green is better for chomatic abberation and for light balance...
[18:23] <Hexxeh> vgrade: gonna try the hack first
[18:23] <Hexxeh> also
[18:23] <traeak> Hopsy: polarized glasses are much better though
[18:23] <Hexxeh> SHE LIVES!
[18:23] <Hexxeh> Chromium running
[18:23] <Hexxeh> already it feels faster than midori
[18:23] <Hexxeh> and this is a debug build :D
[18:23] <BenO> Hexxeh, bell and whistles running too?
[18:23] <Hexxeh> such as?
[18:23] <piless> I hate chromatic abberations so much.. Especially on highlights. Rages the shit out of me.
[18:23] <traeak> Hopsy: you can buy a vizio 3d tv scan line polarized for pretty cheap (under 500usd)
[18:24] <Da|Mummy> now port Lightweight2
[18:24] <BenO> Hexxeh, chromium using the acceleration in everything :)
[18:24] <friggle> Hexxeh: what was the segfault issue in the end?
[18:25] <Hexxeh> friggle: toolchain bug
[18:25] <Hexxeh> BenO: ah, not accelerated yet, but baby steps :P
[18:25] <Hexxeh> i'm glad to see it running at all
[18:25] <Hexxeh> i've spent untold hours hacking on this xD
[18:25] <Da|Mummy> chromium is too much for rpi. port lightweight2 and jumanji
[18:25] <friggle> Hexxeh: nice :) What toolchain did you switch to?
[18:25] <Hopsy> traeak:
[18:25] <Hopsy> how do I know
[18:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, major congrats :)
[18:26] <Hopsy> my tv supports that
[18:26] <ukscone> straw that broke the camel's back i can cope with the ruh roh shaggy and the jesus and saddam comments behind my back but in the street someone just said charlie manson must have escaped -- definitely haircut and shave this weekend
[18:26] <Hexxeh> friggle: CodeSourcery
[18:26] <Hopsy> I was looking up to http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/285343/sapphire-hd6950.html @ traeak
[18:26] <BenO> ukscone, Ah I see you are also a follower of the 'unix guru' fashion book ;)
[18:26] <piless> ukscone: Are you on crack?
[18:27] <ukscone> BenO: i get a haircut and shave once a year whether i need it or not
[18:27] <Hopsy> lol
[18:27] <Kolin> lol
[18:27] <ukscone> i forgot last year though
[18:27] <curahack> Anyone else doing interesting Pi projects?
[18:27] <Hopsy> ukscone is
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[18:28] <Da|Mummy> im watching my emails and my farnell order page
[18:28] <traeak> i have to work on my project then
[18:28] <piless> ukscone just ports boring old emulators
[18:28] <curahack> cool
[18:28] <fALSO> "ports" -> builds them
[18:30] <Hexxeh> lots of tab crashes
[18:30] <hotwings> curahack - im going to see how much of a fall the rpi can withstand before breaking
[18:30] <Hexxeh> but i think i know why
[18:30] <piless> fALSO: I like how the part of that sentence you disagree with is ports and not boring!
[18:30] <traeak> but i'm getting a mele a1000 in my hands long before i'll ever see an rpi
[18:30] <Hexxeh> chromium really doesn't run well with just fbdev
[18:30] <BenO> curahack, I'd say that we are at the community bootstrap stage - people getting their hands on it and kicking the tires, trying different things
[18:30] <traeak> and the mele a1000 ends up being a cheaper platform actually in general
[18:30] <fALSO> so... i cross compile something to another arch , that is porting ?
[18:30] <fALSO> most software is READY to do that
[18:30] <fALSO> you dont need to make anything
[18:30] <piless> fALSO: No, I'm saying you don't disagree that they're boring
[18:31] <fALSO> that wasnt me
[18:31] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/Ft8Z
[18:31] <BenO> ukscone, Have you got any emulators in mind to port over?
[18:31] <Hexxeh> You saw it here first folks :D
[18:31] <piless> fALSO: No, I'm saying you don't disagree that they're boring
[18:31] <piless> oops
[18:31] <fALSO> the pi isnt good enough to emulators
[18:31] <ukscone> piless: and interpreters and compilers can't forget them
[18:31] <fALSO> the cpu is very slow
[18:31] <fALSO> most of the emulators are very cpu intensive
[18:31] <friggle> fALSO: rubbish
[18:31] <piless> ukscone: I thought that was assumed.
[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> cool Hexxeh
[18:32] <Hexxeh> from initially looking at this
[18:32] * BenO rushes to twitter - quick, chromium on a Pi!
[18:32] <fALSO> rubish ? try to run emulators on a P2 350mhz
[18:32] <ukscone> piless: the raspi runs cp/m great -- use wordstar on it all the time
[18:32] <Hexxeh> it doesn't look like memory is going to be a bottleneck
[18:32] <Hexxeh> it's CPU
[18:32] <fALSO> rubish ? try to run emulators on a P2 350mhz, thats the equivalente of the PI cpu
[18:32] <hotwings> we had the 'can rpi run emulators' chat a couple months ago
[18:32] <fALSO> ahhh... and you still need those 2d drivers working :-P
[18:32] <fALSO> it CAN run
[18:32] <fALSO> i can run snes emulator on a 48
[18:32] <fALSO> i can run snes emulator on a 486
[18:32] <fALSO> it will give just 1fps or so...
[18:32] <traeak> basically watch the rush of $50 cortex a8 set top boxes based on the a10 this summer
[18:33] <piless> ukscone: Can you do a ps3 emulator next?
[18:33] <fALSO> he just compiles stuff, doesnt do anything
[18:33] <fALSO> lol.... forget
[18:33] <hotwings> 1fps emulation is worthless
[18:33] <markus> please do the needful
[18:33] <ukscone> piless: nope as i have no interest in anything newer than 1987
[18:33] <BenO> ukscone++ :)
[18:33] <piless> ukscone: But I wasn't born until 1989!
[18:33] <fALSO> lol
[18:34] <friggle> fALSO: there are a whole range of playable emulators on the Dreamcast, GP2x, Dingoo, other far more underpowered machines
[18:34] <ukscone> piless: see told you no interest passed 1987 :)
[18:34] <piless> :(
[18:34] <fALSO> playable you mean, without major features
[18:34] <fALSO> liek sound
[18:34] <hotwings> rpi will be able to run a playable bash version of snake
[18:34] <ukscone> piless: that's why you weren't kb'ed yesterday :)
[18:34] <fALSO> or multiple layers
[18:34] <curahack> https://twitter.com/#!/Hexxeh/status/192289231463399424
[18:34] <ukscone> that and the fact you cleaned it up a bit
[18:34] <ukscone> :)
[18:34] <fALSO> nice resolution
[18:35] <piless> ukscone: I have authority issues
[18:35] <hotwings> ukscone - you shoulda seen him before you showed up today.. back to his old profanity tricks :\
[18:35] <des2> cp/m ? But will the Pi run GEM ?
[18:35] <piless> hotwings: Has anyone ever told you that you're a bit of a dick?
[18:36] <ukscone> hmmm perhaps i should give everyone ops EXCEPT piless :D
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[18:36] <piless> ukscone: Surely there's worse people in here than me?
[18:36] <des2> piless try harder.
[18:36] <piless> What about that guy who keeps coming in here with different sob stories each time.
[18:36] <ukscone> piless: careful you should have said apendage :)
[18:36] <hotwings> piless - why do you insist on breaking the rules here when you think nobody is watching? and apparently now right in front of them when they are?
[18:37] <piless> hotwings: We're always being watched. You do know there's a log right?
[18:37] <piless> hotwings: It would take ukscone 5 seconds to do a ctrl+f for tits on the log
[18:38] <curahack> ukscone how is your project going?
[18:38] <hotwings> piless - like this:
[18:38] <hotwings> [08:51:57] <piless> Personally I think building a laptop out of the pi is a fucking terrible idea
[18:39] <hotwings> [08:53:55] <piless> or better yet use a fucking x86
[18:39] <piless> hotwings: It is a fucking terrible idea though
[18:39] <traeak> if he were a real man he'd just do /<search term> with vi :-p
[18:39] <piless> traeak: emacs
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[18:40] <BenO> traeak, real devs search using assembler ;)
[18:40] <hotwings> piless - ignore the rules and ukscone warning all you want.. get yourself kb (like youve been told several times already)
[18:40] * ukscone sets mode +b piless!piless@94.197.91.238.threembb.co.uk
[18:41] <DDave> :p
[18:41] <passstab> what rule did he break?
[18:41] <DDave> he mentioned boobies.
[18:41] <DDave> :D
[18:41] <DDave> (please no ban..)
[18:41] <DDave> The channel is supposed to be PG13 or something passstab
[18:42] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ukscone
[18:42] <hotwings> passstab - he cant manage to stop using profanity in here
[18:42] <hotwings> you can add ignoring warnings by ops also
[18:42] <ukscone> i don't think i banned him right so he can probably get back in but it's his 1st strike towards a permaban
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[18:43] <mkopack> BenO: (sorry, ran out to get lunch, just saw your reply about the emulators)
[18:43] <haltdef_> he's a troll, permban is probably in order anyway
[18:43] <DDave> Hey one stupid question, until when do we have to wait to be able to order one without "pre-order" ?
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[18:43] <BenO> DDave, xmas sounds like a good estimate
[18:43] <mkopack> DDave: Prboably another month or two??? They gotta get through all the backlog first???
[18:44] <DDave> Thanks :)
[18:44] <mkopack> They (or at least Liz) seems to think that will happen quickly, but it all just depends on how fast they ramp up the production and how many new pre-orders they get in the mean time
[18:44] <DDave> Im gonna wait a bit more.. keep the units for people who are "total nerds"
[18:44] <passstab> i guess ##raspberrypi is the xxx channel then
[18:44] <hotwings> are they actually going to keep regular stock of rpi, or do production runs on-demand when enough orders come in (as was previously the plan)?
[18:44] <BenO> mkopack, DDave true, my xmas estimate was a programmer's one - guess the time, double it and add 40%
[18:45] <traeak> any idea on when the licensors are up and runing with production ?
[18:45] <zleap> http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/cable-bundle-pack-for-raspberry-pi/
[18:45] <DDave> LOOL :D
[18:45] <zleap> looks good
[18:45] <mkopack> I thikn they'll try to keep at least SOME on hand after the backlog - but keep in mind, there's also the full blown "education" units that will be later this year....
[18:45] <mkopack> traeak: already are.
[18:45] <BenO> mkopack, Are they still aiming for the Model A's to be the education units?
[18:45] <traeak> mkopack: any idea on the throughput ?
[18:45] <hotwings> full-blown meaning they come with a case :)
[18:46] <mkopack> traeak: First "production" units should be arriving within the next 2 weeks I believe
[18:46] <traeak> i personally would still be fine with a model-a and would kind of prefer it
[18:46] <mkopack> Nope
[18:46] <BenO> mkopack, good :)
[18:46] <traeak> mkopack: and then we'll know how many a day they can handle?
[18:46] <mkopack> Who knows! They might give that info, they might not
[18:47] <mkopack> Liz just has indicated that the production level is WAY higher than we probably are anticipating.
[18:47] <mkopack> WAY WAY higher than the 10,000 / batch that the RPF would have been ordering in
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[18:47] * ukscone sets mode -b piless!piless@94.197.91.238.threembb.co.uk
[18:48] <BenO> ukscone, Have you got a channelbot for that sort of thing?
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[18:50] <hotwings> BenO - a profanity-kick bot? and auto-ban if kicked X times within Y time frame?
[18:50] <traeak> hmm
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[18:51] <BenO> I was thinking more a bot to manage temp bans and the like
[18:51] <BenO> as well as other handy in channel things
[18:51] <ukscone> don't have anything in here even the authorizeed bots are down
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[18:52] <hotwings> i dont think freenode has those services (unfortunately)
[18:52] <traeak> !w
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[19:01] <piless> hotwings: miss me?
[19:02] <mkopack> do we need to institute a "swear jar" ?
[19:03] <traeak> fsck no!
[19:03] <piless> mkopack: via kickstarter?
[19:03] <traeak> hehe boot self
[19:03] <traeak> laters
[19:03] <mkopack> lol
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[19:03] <mkopack> Frak yes!
[19:03] <mkopack> (or if you prefer Farscape- Frell yes!)
[19:04] <piless> that whole replacing words with linux commands rages me so much
[19:04] <wry> I'd mount that fsck'd drive any day...
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[19:04] <piless> mkopack: I'm more a battlestar galactica person
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[19:04] <mkopack> True, but Farscape had ones for sh*t also??? Dren...
[19:04] <mkopack> (although the OLD BSG had "Felgercarb" for sh*t)
[19:04] <piless> mkopack: Yeah but the ending sucked
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[19:05] <piless> mkopack: that sounds quite germanic
[19:06] <athanor1723> If it needs fsck'd, would you still mount it?
[19:06] <wry> Why else would you mount it?
[19:06] <piless> mkopack: The ending of bsg was so wrong aswell
[19:06] <athanor1723> I'd only mount it if it was clean.
[19:06] <mkopack> eh, I didn't mind it
[19:06] <piless> Ugh I hate deus ex machina endings
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[19:06] <mkopack> I'm PISSED that Blood and Chrome is probably getting canned by Syfy??? I swear, that whole channel sucsk
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[19:07] <piless> It's so cheap.. We're written ourselves into a corner, what ever are we going to do?! Oh I know, god did it!
[19:08] <piless> *we've
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[19:09] <mkopack> Well, it played in well witht eh whole "What's happened before will happen again" mythos, and the whole Mayan history and such
[19:09] <mkopack> And the ties in with the "first humans"
[19:09] <piless> I disagree
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[19:10] <piless> It was complete and utter bollocks
[19:10] <mkopack> At least it HAD an ending??? I'm SO tired of getting into TV shows that get suddenly cancelled out of the blue or leave you with a cliffhanger ending at the end of a season and then it doesn't get renewed so you never know what happens
[19:10] <piless> mkopack: Why on earth would they decide to fire their ships in the sun?
[19:11] <mkopack> Commitment
[19:11] <piless> mkopack: Stupidity, what if the cylons came back?
[19:11] <mkopack> and so you don't have what they had on New Caprica
[19:11] <BenO> cyclons++
[19:11] <piless> mkopack: It wouldn't hurt to leave them in orbit as a backup plan
[19:12] <mkopack> Eh, whatever. it's done
[19:12] <piless> And turning the chip in balathars head in an angel?!
[19:12] <piless> *into
[19:13] <mkopack> Well, they never "proved" he actually HAD a chip. That's just what the 6 (in his head) told him
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[19:13] <SpeedEvil> An there was never a proper ending to Teletubbies.
[19:13] <piless> mkopack: It made much more sense than an angel, especially considering the amount of sex he had with it
[19:13] <mkopack> ALL in his mind
[19:13] <piless> mkopack: no the angel was real
[19:14] <BenO> !math calc 1+2
[19:14] <SuPyPiBot> BenO: 3
[19:14] <mkopack> I was more bothered by what they did with Starbuck
[19:14] <piless> mkopack: so this angel had been having sex with him this whole time
[19:14] <BenO> Well, that works ;)
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[19:14] <piless> Oh.. god another bot I have to ignore?
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[19:16] <piless> mkopack: Bear McCreary did an amazing job though
[19:16] <piless> I loved the reimagining of all around the watchtower
[19:16] * haltdef_ stabs BenO
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[19:16] <mkopack> And then there's Babylon 5 - great concept, interesting show - let down by the fact that they never knew if they would get renewed from season to season
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[19:16] <BenO> haltdef_, heh - just an experiment on having a python environment on USB, rather than it be on the SD
[19:16] <mkopack> Actually considering going back and rewatching B5
[19:16] <haltdef_> see bot AUP
[19:17] <piless> mkopack: The production values are going to look terrible compared to modern shows though
[19:17] <haltdef_> also, wouldn't it be better to put your entire rootfs on a usb drive? :P
[19:18] <mkopack> yes and no??? I've always felt it's more important to have a compelling story than "production value" ??? Look at the old Star Treks - HORRIBLE production by today's standards, but still compelling stories...
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> !math for(x=0;x<99;x++)print x,"\n"
[19:18] <SuPyPiBot> SpeedEvil: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "for(x=0;x<99;x++)print" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
[19:18] <piless> mkopack: Are you watching game of thrones?
[19:18] <mkopack> The OLD BSG - HORRIBLE both...
[19:18] <mkopack> YEs
[19:18] <BenO> haltdef_, Perhaps. I want to retain the ability to boot simply from SD and not require a USB.
[19:18] <piless> mkopack: sundays episode was amazing
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[19:18] <piless> mkopack: I was giggling like a little girl through most of it
[19:18] * SpeedEvil read the books.
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[19:18] <SpeedEvil> The pictures are better.
[19:19] <piless> SpeedEvil: So what? It's still mostly faithful, hell GRRM has even written a couple of episodes
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> piless: yeah - it's on my 'to watch' stack.
[19:19] <piless> mkopack: hmm there's another blogpost
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[19:20] <SpeedEvil> And at least it's new content.
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> Rather than episodic crap.
[19:20] <piless> SpeedEvil: Move it to the top. It's absolutely amazing.
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[19:20] <piless> SpeedEvil: Plus theres lots of tits, if you're into that sort of thing
[19:20] <mkopack> tits = good :)
[19:21] <mkopack> The scene with the younger Barathian and his wife??? and she's saying how if the "king" wants, she can have her brother come back in to "help"??? I was both laughing and revolted at the same time...
[19:21] <mkopack> But she DID have a nice rack :)
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> If this was another channel, I'd mention that I first heard Game of Thrones it was being read by a naked girl on the internet.
[19:22] <mkopack> lol
[19:22] <ewan> anyone tried usb webcam on a raspi yet?
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> ewan: Should in principle work fine.
[19:22] <mkopack> ewan: as long as it's a UVC standard webcam, no reason it shouldn't work
[19:22] <piless> mkopack: Yeah, the tyrion scenes were my favourite this episode!
[19:23] <ewan> SpeedEvil: I know it would work in principle, I'm wondering if anyone has tried it :)
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> ewan: It's just a case of compiling the right driver. Heavy ethernet at the same time may be complicated
[19:23] <ewan> SpeedEvil: yeah, I'm wondering about bus bandwidth. Guess I'll wait and see
[19:23] <mkopack> piles I loved the previous week when he's on the horse feeling up the chick, and then he finds out it's his sister! LOL
[19:23] <mkopack> Doh!
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> Depends - some cameras do hardware jpeg
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[19:23] <SpeedEvil> Which reduces bus bandwidth a _lot_
[19:24] <mkopack> Resolution probably matters as well
[19:24] <mkopack> 640x480 is a lot less BW than a full HD one
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Depends what you want
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> 1280*1024 *10fps jpeg is probaby quite doable
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[19:25] <piless> mkopack: Yeah, you know the actors sister is lily allen?
[19:25] <mkopack> ?
[19:25] <ewan> thinking of making some sort of dash cam with a raspi
[19:25] <piless> mkopack: theon grayjoy
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> My favourite char from the books - Asha Grayjoy
[19:25] <piless> mkopack: she wrote a song about how lazy her brother is
[19:26] <piless> SpeedEvil: They renamed her
[19:26] <piless> SpeedEvil: To yara
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
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[19:27] <piless> mkopack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgOm_WJKpE is about theon grayjoy
[19:28] <mkopack> eh, can't hit that right now??? in the middle of a marathon meeting
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[19:29] <piless> mkopack: Its from a few years ago before he started acting, she just moans about what a little shit her brother is
[19:29] <mkopack> lol
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[19:31] <piless> SpeedEvil: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aVCaBH47CUc/T4ymg9JWjhI/AAAAAAAAZ3s/RpMnEfsbzqk/s1600/yara-greyjoy.jpg
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[19:31] <piless> SpeedEvil: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0p7q05qFt1qe6mdpo1_500.png
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[19:32] <piless> SpeedEvil: That's asha
[19:32] <piless> SpeedEvil: Is she how you imagined her?
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[19:32] <SpeedEvil> Not really.
[19:33] <piless> Some people were complaining that they made her too pretty at the start, and how she isn't supposed to become sexy until much later
[19:33] <mkopack> She's rather "manly" looking
[19:33] <mkopack> I wouldn't hit it
[19:33] <piless> mkopack: that's the point
[19:34] <BenO> What's a small app to pull pics from a webcam? preferably something already in the debian instance
[19:34] <piless> mkopack: She's not exactly going to look like a tully.. The greyjoys are the ancestors of vikings
[19:34] <piless> living on their shitty little island in poverty
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[19:40] <passstab> TOO QUIET!!!
[19:40] <Iota> Moo.
[19:40] <piless> passstab: You could always try joining in the conversation instead of complaining
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[19:41] <Iota> Lol.
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[19:41] <passstab> the conversation about a mafiaa show?
[19:41] <passstab> no thanks
[19:41] <piless> mafia?
[19:41] <passstab> yes mafia
[19:41] <piless> in westeros?
[19:42] <passstab> westeros?
[19:42] <passstab> oh
[19:42] <piless> passstab: It's a medieval fantasy show.. not mafia
[19:42] <passstab> HBO = mafiaa
[19:43] <passstab> mafia
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[19:43] <piless> Sopranos?
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[19:43] <passstab> ...
[19:43] <mkopack> Oh, "The Borgia's"
[19:43] <mkopack> The one about the corrupt Pope and his family
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[19:43] <mkopack> Showtime
[19:43] <mkopack> Haven't actually watched it
[19:44] <passstab> http://mafiaa.org/
[19:45] <piless> passstab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNNeQt6kbsM
[19:45] <passstab> yes i've heard of it
[19:47] <piless> passstab: Great scene though
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[19:55] <piless> You gotta love it when an angry dwarf smashes the shit out of a mountain man's face with a shield
[19:56] <piless> or was it hills tribe?
[19:56] <piless> I forget what they're called.
[19:57] <piless> I really hope google does a world-wide release with their new google drive
[19:57] <piless> We in the UK still haven't got google music!
[19:58] <piless> And we only *just* got google currents
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[20:04] <markus> and i don't even know what you're talking about
[20:04] <markus> i'll google that for me
[20:06] <hotwings> google drive = 5gb free space from google. hooray!
[20:07] <piless> hotwings: Incorrect
[20:07] <piless> hotwings: It's 5gb if you own an android device
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[20:08] <hotwings> no
[20:08] <hotwings> its 5gb if you sign up for an account
[20:08] <hotwings> google drive is just a storage service. android isnt required
[20:08] <piless> You're wrong.
[20:10] <hotwings> i guess you and google disagree on what google drive is then. lol
[20:10] <piless> Ha
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[20:16] <BenO> No wonder alsa drivers generally suck - this api is doing my head in
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[20:17] <BenO> btw audio frames are copied to the GPU memory for playback, so, you know, bear that in mind
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[20:18] <SpeedEvil> piless: I assumed google currents is ocean tidal info. Is this incorrect?
[20:19] <mjr> funky
[20:20] <mjr> Incidentally, someone said that the alsa driver was somewhat klunky and someone (else?) said that xmbc works fine 'cause it outputs through openmax. Is the alsa driver actually an openmax frontend or something?
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[20:22] <BenO> mjr, alsa driver passes audio data to the GPU to be played.
[20:23] <BenO> mjr, It's straightforward to push data synchronously to both ALSA and the direct openmax connection, but the ALSA driver is not returning the right read-pointer position for asynchronous clients to work off of
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[20:23] <BenO> eg we went through a few versions where mplayer either thought it had overrun/underrun a buffer
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[20:24] <friggle> why on earth would bsdiff just output `myfilename: success` and not produce a patch file as requested?
[20:26] <hotwings> my first instinct is to blame user error
[20:26] <mkopack> It's ALWAYS the Stupid meat bag's fault
[20:26] <mkopack> the computer only does EXACTLY what you tell it to do
[20:26] <mkopack> stupid in, stupid out
[20:26] <mkopack> :)
[20:27] <BenO> however the stupid meat bag can be either the developer, the user or both equally ;)
[20:27] <mkopack> granted :)
[20:27] <friggle> $ bsdiff 2012_04_17_demo_v3_1_4gb.img 2012_04_17_demo_v3_2_4gb.img bsdiff_out
[20:27] <friggle> seriously, it's driving me crazy
[20:27] * BenO growls at ALSA and its stupid magic callback crap
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[20:28] <jamesglanville> does anyone have a recording of how good the sound quality is on a pi? i've heard not great but don't know what that means
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[20:29] <BenO> I'd say it is CD quality but I am sure audiophiles will disagree ;)
[20:29] <BenO> Not great, but not that bad really
[20:30] <ReggieUK> if it's CD quality then it's better than mp3 :D
[20:31] <BenO> ReggieUK, It can certainly be set and play back at 16bit, 44100Hz, etc but if all you are going to put through it is mp3s... ;)
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[20:31] <jamesglanville> ok thanks then
[20:32] <hotwings> friggle - bsdiff uses memory equal to 17 times the size of ???oldfile???, and requires an absolute minimum working set size of 8 times the size of oldfile. <-- ?
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[20:34] <hotwings> btw, audio format (re: 16bit 44.1khz, redbook, etc) doesnt say anything about quality
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[20:38] <SpeedEvil> It does.
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> It says you can do about at best 20khz and -96dB before noise shaping
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[20:42] <hotwings> crap in, crap out. doesnt matter what format is used
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[20:43] <ReggieUK> that's my point, most people don't have a clue about the quality going in
[20:43] <hotwings> too many people believe in magic.. 'if i reencode to a higher bitrate, it will be better quality'. 'if i resize the image to a higher resolution, it will be better quality'.
[20:43] <ReggieUK> so it's at least got the potential there if given decent quality audio files
[20:44] <mkopack> hotwings: It's all that "computer enhancement" BS hollywood does
[20:44] <mkopack> "create data where it didn't exist previously!"
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[20:44] <ReggieUK> hollywood?
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[20:44] <BenO> ReggieUK, CSI being the main offender
[20:45] <ReggieUK> ?
[20:45] <BenO> "Zoom into that licence plate"
[20:45] <piless> csi just copied bladerunner
[20:45] <ReggieUK> more like crappy audio engineers that want 'everything louder than everything else' so squeeze the living crap out of audio
[20:45] <BenO> I think I saw a youtube vid where someone did a real version ;)
[20:45] <ReggieUK> but I Get your CSI point :D
[20:46] <piless> ReggieUK: Yeah, there used to be so much more dynamic range in music.
[20:46] <BenO> "The Loudness Wars"
[20:47] <ReggieUK> meh, loudness button
[20:47] <piless> ReggieUK: More like a slider.
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[20:47] <ReggieUK> ?
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[20:48] <ReggieUK> it is most certainly a button on every amp I've seen it on
[20:48] <PiKeY> silly question: can i power rpi from pc usb port / or should i use seperate phone charger i have?
[20:49] <piless> ReggieUK: http://nectardesign.com/wp-content/uploads/M-Audio-Control-surface-image-2.jpg
[20:49] <BenO> PiKeY, not silly - either should work, as long as the pc can supply a good amount of current
[20:49] <piless> NO
[20:49] <BenO> but officially, the PC is not recommended at all
[20:49] <piless> BenO: Stop spreading misinformation
[20:49] <BenO> piless, stop trolling
[20:49] <piless> WTF?
[20:49] <ReggieUK> piless, right, so that's a picture of some sliders, whats that got to do with 'loudness'
[20:50] <PiKeY> i got a700ma blackberry charger so i`ll use that
[20:50] <PiKeY> don`t wanna damage the pi
[20:50] <BenO> PiKeY, http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[20:50] <piless> ReggieUK: you said ? to slider so I showed you a picture of a slider
[20:51] <piless> PiKeY: The raspberry pi model B requires 700mA of power, whereas a computer usb port will only supply 500mA
[20:51] <piless> PiKeY: You will have to use a phone charger.
[20:51] <PiKeY> ah kk thx for pointin me in the right direction
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[20:51] <ReggieUK> piless, I reiterate, meh, loudness button and add illustration:
[20:51] <ReggieUK> http://www.icehw.net/review/tafe570/9.jpg
[20:51] <piless> Ben64: Seriously... I point out you're wrong and you call me a bloody troll?!
[20:51] <piless> *BenO rather
[20:52] <ReggieUK> burn the troll ;)
[20:52] <Skorski> well are you actually hurt and bloody? because then we have bigger problems
[20:52] <BenO> piless, The Pi doesn't require 700mA - It can stand that much at high usage
[20:52] <piless> BenO: No
[20:53] <piless> BenO: That is the requirement.
[20:53] <BenO> piless, Whatever, I've run it from USB
[20:53] <jamesglanville> what current does the pi use under full load but no periphals?
[20:53] <BenO> jamesglanville, I clocked it at about 0.34A
[20:53] <jamesglanville> BenO: cheers, just confirming 700ma is worst case
[20:53] <BenO> 0.41A at CPU+SD load
[20:54] <BenO> 0.50-0.55A with kinect and kbd plugged in
[20:54] <BenO> YMMV of course
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[20:57] <piless> I wish that you had to pass a test before you were allowed to go on the internet, similar to learning to drive.
[20:58] <piless> At least then people wouldn't use the word troll to mean absolutely everything.
[20:58] <ewan> heh
[20:58] <BenO> piless, why? Looking to get some free time away from a computer?
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[21:00] <PiKeY> damn no 4gb card only 2gb, arch won`t fit apparently does anyone know if debian squeeze fits on 2gb cards?
[21:01] <BenO> PiKeY, the debian image is 2Gb in size - fits on my 2Gb just
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[21:01] <PiKeY> debian is writing :) altho arch says its under 2gb
[21:02] <haltdef_> your SD is probably just under 2GB as well
[21:02] <PiKeY> true
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll probably want a bigger card, you won't have much free space to play with
[21:03] <PiKeY> i heard microsd not work is that correct?
[21:03] * BenO just saw that that QtonPi img user/pass is "root" and "rootme" - heh
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[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> debian has about 200MB free (without resizing the partitions)
[21:03] <haltdef_> with an adapter there's no reason it shouldn't
[21:03] <PiKeY> yes will get one tomorrow
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[21:03] <PiKeY> just wanted to play with my new toy today :)
[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> or was it arch? I don't remember. Fedora has no free space and is resized on first boot
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[21:06] <BenO> @cowfish on twitter - lego "case" http://twitpic.com/9azohf
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[21:16] <jamesglanville> is the hardware serial port on the header pins and is it 5v tolerant?
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[21:18] <BenO> jamesglanville, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[21:18] <jamesglanville> BenO: cheers
[21:18] <BenO> fyi kernel boot goes over the UART at 115200
[21:19] <mkopack> 3.3V
[21:19] <mkopack> GPIO pins are 3.3V
[21:19] <mkopack> Except for the actual 5V pin
[21:19] <jamesglanville> ok thanks, this is for driving a reprap
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[21:19] <jamesglanville> scrounging a level converter it is then
[21:19] <mkopack> yup
[21:20] <BenO> jamesglanville, what very of the reprap electronics is it?
[21:20] <mkopack> BTW, my "Slice of Pi" expansion board arrived yesterday??? of course, No Rpi to try it with...
[21:20] <BenO> ver*
[21:20] <jamesglanville> BenO: it's ramps with an arduino mega, but I don't want to use the built in usb on a hub, because I find hubs are a bit dodgy for reprap stuff
[21:20] <mkopack> Not tight enough timings?
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[21:22] <BenO> jamesglanville, cool :) Planning on running it off the same supply?
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[21:23] <BenO> power supply that is
[21:23] <jamesglanville> mkopack: yeah sometimes a rogue usb device or hub blocks comms for long enough to run out of command buffer commands
[21:23] <jamesglanville> BenO: nah I'll need a 12-5v converter, the reprap only has a couple of 100ma spare at 5v
[21:23] <mkopack> yeah
[21:24] <mkopack> Oout pf curiosity, since I've never run a 3D printer - I know you usually have some sort of PC driving the Arduino (or feeding it the commands)??? Does that PC have to be running some special Real Time OS +Prog, or does it run normal windows/linux + sw?
[21:24] <BenO> jamesglanville, g-code over serial (UART) to Mega?
[21:24] <Hexxeh> aaand now it loads pages without crashing every two seconds
[21:25] <jamesglanville> BenO: yeah
[21:25] <Hexxeh> v8 doesn't like armv6 at all
[21:25] <jamesglanville> mkopack: nah the printer has an arduino which has a little buffer so it can store the next few commands so you don't need rtos on the host pc
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[21:25] <jamesglanville> mkopack: you can use a rtos + parallel port to run them directly, but urgh what an effort
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[21:26] <BenO> jamesglanville, sweet - good luck! *goes to finish his Mendel... then just thinks about it*
[21:26] <jamesglanville> BenO: go finish it, what needs to be done anyway?
[21:26] <mkopack> Ok, wasn't sure how they did it
[21:26] <BenO> jamesglanville, y-axis and extruder
[21:26] <BenO> and then calibrate ofc... :(
[21:27] <jamesglanville> BenO: use sprinter/marlin + slic3r + pronterface, then you only need 5 mins calibration to get decent prints
[21:29] <BenO> jamesglanville, true, I make more of it than I should. Just need one decent weekend at home to crack it, away from work :)
[21:29] <jamesglanville> BenO: you're forgetting the time you'll need for your second (and third for me :P) but must go, good luck with finishing your printer :)
[21:30] <BenO> jamesglanville, Thanks and good luck yourself :)
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[21:44] <Hexxeh> Chromium on Pi is surprisingly useful
[21:44] <Hexxeh> I'd say it's at least on a par with Midori
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[21:44] <Hexxeh> And I think it'll get a lot better once it's hardware accelerated
[21:45] <markus> Midori is based on gecko right?
[21:45] <markus> No it's webkit
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[21:46] <BenO> What js engine does Midori run? that's the part that really crawled on it
[21:47] * BenO thinks at least it'll be an easy sell to schools - little hope of visiting facebook ;) </snark>
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[21:50] <Hexxeh> I just facebooked from chromium lol
[21:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, How does Midori cope with it? ;)
[21:50] <Hexxeh> not tried
[21:50] <Hexxeh> actually
[21:50] <Hexxeh> yeah i did
[21:50] <Hexxeh> i tried it out of the box when i got it
[21:50] <Hexxeh> it was /very/ slow to load
[21:50] <ukscone> Hexxeh: i think you can get drugs for that which will cllear it right up
[21:51] <BenO> Hexxeh, I had a similar experience with twitter, and other js heavy sites
[21:51] <BenO> having chromium as a workable option would really help
[21:51] <Hopsy> where is pilesss
[21:51] <Hexxeh> i'm confident we can get v8 running tickety-boo soon enough :P
[21:51] <Hexxeh> it uses separate cflags in the build
[21:52] <Hexxeh> i think it's just got the wrong fpu settings
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[21:52] <BenO> Hexxeh, Ah cool - I haven't looked at the hw fp stuff in the firmware repo yet
[21:52] <Hopsy> https://www.google.com/search?q=ubiquitous
[21:52] <Hexxeh> actually i rebuilt everything softfp
[21:52] <Hexxeh> hardfp seemed to cause some crazy issues
[21:54] <BenO> Hexxeh, The hardfp stuff is here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/hardfp/opt/vc/src/hello_pi commit message talks about adding hardfp version of libs
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[21:54] <Hexxeh> yeah, i've seen them
[21:54] <Hexxeh> i tried them
[21:54] <BenO> Ah nevermind then :)
[21:54] <Hexxeh> but chromium disagreed with my hardfp toolchain
[21:54] <Hexxeh> so it's off the menu for now
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[21:56] <BenO> Hexxeh, It might be worth posting an issue about building with the hardfp, just to let them know
[21:56] <Hexxeh> it's not their libs
[21:56] <Hexxeh> it's my toolchain
[21:58] <BenO> Hexxeh, Hmm okay - hope you work out what the magic incantation is then :)
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[22:02] <Hexxeh> 47MB of memory used to display the Raspberry Pi blog homepage
[22:03] <Hexxeh> I don't think multitasking is an option
[22:03] <Hexxeh> But having a few tabs open to browse maybe language docs seems very possible :)
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[22:07] * IT_Sean looks around
[22:07] * IT_Sean wonders why it is unusually quiet in #raspberrypi
[22:07] * BenO hides
[22:07] <IT_Sean>
[22:08] <BenO> People have their pi and are hacking it?
[22:08] <IT_Sean> dammit... i want some pi
[22:08] <DDave> Scratch the pie
[22:08] <IT_Sean> :/
[22:08] <DDave> I want cake :D
[22:08] <IT_Sean> cake is better than pie.
[22:08] <DDave> Btw why wont nobody make a "drop-test" for the Pi?
[22:08] <DDave> :D
[22:08] <DDave> That'd make lots of users rage!
[22:08] <IT_Sean> Seriousily, though... i wish i had some pi.
[22:09] <Matt> hey IT_Sean
[22:09] <IT_Sean> hey Matt
[22:09] <Matt> how's it going?
[22:09] <IT_Sean> well, i don't have a pi. Other than that, it's lovely.
[22:09] <IT_Sean> you?
[22:09] <BenO> DDave, I knocked it on the floor earlier but didn't film it ;)
[22:09] <DDave> Ok now try a 10m drop test :D
[22:10] <DDave> Then proceed to shoot it to see how it handles a bullet
[22:10] <DDave> :D
[22:10] <IT_Sean> it would probably survive that
[22:10] <IT_Sean> depending on what it landed on, and how
[22:10] <BenO> DDave, IT_Sean it would be interesting to see what its terminal velocity was
[22:10] <DDave> :D
[22:10] <BenO> Very light, flat-ish
[22:10] <Matt> a brief respite before I have to run back to a client and check on a drive clone
[22:11] <Matt> also, this chair appears to be made of aluminium
[22:11] <IT_Sean> so?
[22:12] <DDave> butthurts.
[22:12] <IT_Sean> and, is it made of aluminium, or aloominam?
[22:12] <DDave> :D
[22:12] <DDave> alluuuummmmiiiinnnuuuum :D
[22:12] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:12] <DDave> Just kidding, Aluminium
[22:12] <DDave> Stopid americanski :D
[22:12] <Matt> well more the fact that it's cold :)
[22:13] <IT_Sean> could be worse... If it was an asian chair, it would be amde of aruminum
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Or bamboo.
[22:13] <IT_Sean> although, if it was made of aruminum, you could stand on it to reach the top shelf of the surprise closet
[22:14] * IT_Sean hides
[22:14] <Matt> clearly you're having one of those days :)
[22:14] <IT_Sean> Yes. I am.
[22:14] <IT_Sean> SUPPRISE!
[22:16] <IT_Sean> I go a bit odd when i'm stuck in a windowless office all day
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: I have a small double-glazed window you can have.
[22:16] <Matt> happens to the best of us
[22:16] <Matt> especially when you do IT admin for a living and spend a lot of time in server rooms
[22:17] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil: with out a similarly sized hole in the wall to put it in, it'd be useless.
[22:17] <Matt> which are frequently without windows, loud, and cold
[22:17] * IT_Sean does IT support for a living, and spends the day in a windowless, overly airconditioned office.
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[22:17] <Matt> one of our clients is moving to a new office
[22:17] <Matt> and the server room has not only two generator backed circuits for the servers
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[22:18] <Matt> but also a very large window to the outside!
[22:18] <BenO> Matt, you must not work in an academic institution then ;)
[22:18] <BenO> Matt, we had one server room in a place I used to work called "the beach"
[22:18] <Matt> BenO: actually, aforementioned client is part of U of T
[22:18] <BenO> Matt, Ah in that case, UK-based institution ;)
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[22:19] <IT_Sean> wait...
[22:19] <IT_Sean> It has a window?
[22:19] <Matt> IT_Sean: yes :)
[22:19] <IT_Sean> to the OUTSIDE!?
[22:19] <BenO> The Beach -> Hot, damp and covered in sand ;)
[22:19] * Matt nods
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[22:19] <IT_Sean> Are they hiring!!!???
[22:19] <Matt> it's a big window too
[22:19] <Matt> from approx 3' above the ground right up to the ceiling
[22:19] <Matt> and the full width of the room
[22:20] <IT_Sean> everything in my office is green, brown, or beige, and i have no window, and harsh overhead flourescent lights.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> ooooooohhhh, niiice
[22:20] * Matt nods
[22:20] <Matt> plus, it's not sharing a room with their thermal chambers and an hvac system they don't control anymore
[22:20] <Matt> the current location is stupidly hot most of the time
[22:21] <IT_Sean> my office is freezing. I have no control over the AC
[22:21] <Matt> the past few times I've been on side it's been 28-30C
[22:21] <Matt> "on site"
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> freezing - you can wear thermal underwear.
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> hot is harder
[22:22] <IT_Sean> i don't like the cold
[22:22] <IT_Sean> i need a heater to keep my tea warm, for crissake
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> Wear a couple of layers of thermal underwear
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[22:22] <Matt> IT_Sean: lol
[22:22] <IT_Sean> then i sweat my bits off driving home
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> It's a _lot_ more pleasant
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> So remove a couple of layers
[22:23] <Matt> ATM I'm working from Starbucks
[22:23] <Matt> which is all windows
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> Or indeed don't turn the car heater up.
[22:24] <IT_Sean> it's actually Quite Warm outside right now. Turn the heater off, lower the windows, and open the sunroof for the drive home warm, even.
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> ah
[22:24] <IT_Sean> that said, i'm sitting in here in a sweater
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> It's 8C in here still.
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[22:26] * IT_Sean is looking forward to driving home & enjoying the warm breeze
[22:26] * IT_Sean is NOT looking forward to getting jammed up in traffic in the 46/3 interchange
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[22:28] <BenO> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17742730 <-- [video watr
[22:28] <BenO> warning*
[22:28] <IT_Sean> <-- cannot click
[22:28] <OneFix_Work> Looks like Allied Electronics (RS in the USA) is going to be shipping on the 30th
[22:28] <ReggieUK> 250,000 orders
[22:28] <ReggieUK> phuck
[22:29] <BenO> Ah, just about RasPi - apparently 250,000 people on backlog
[22:29] <IT_Sean> wow
[22:29] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[22:29] <ReggieUK> that's just at RS
[22:29] * IT_Sean wants a raspi
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[22:30] <BenO> IT_Sean, arent you Op here? Cant you demand one because of that? ;)
[22:30] <IT_Sean> Yes, i am. And no, i cannot.
[22:30] <OneFix_Work> So, has Farnell even begun shipping yet?
[22:30] <BenO> I got mine from element14 (Farnell)
[22:31] <PiKeY> i got mine delivered from RS today (UK)
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[22:31] <PiKeY> farnell shipped last friday i believe for 1st batch
[22:31] <OneFix_Work> BenO: Oh, ok. Someone had mentioned that Newark had sent some out. Anyone know what order number they were up to?
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[22:33] <BenO> OneFix_Work, not sure - it seems a little random
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[22:37] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/anyone-in-the-us-get-a-ship-date-from-newark-element14/page-2#p65724
[22:37] <mkopack> Basically, it seems like it's still a bit of a crapshoot from Newark
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[22:37] <mkopack> I've heard of people getting delivery notifications who ordered up till around 9/9:30AM on the 29th (eastern) but there are others who ordered before then who said they haven't heard anything. So don't know.
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[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> are there any gpl things to consider when distributing binaries of things like qemu?
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[22:44] <cperrin88> Hey
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[22:44] <cperrin88> I'm not sure but is it currently impossible to get sound out of your RPi on Debian?
[22:44] <BenO> Directly, yes
[22:44] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: If you didn't modify the code, just compiled and packaged the binary, then not really. I expect to see a rPi repository pop up soon
[22:45] <BenO> But ALSA - there's a little work to be done yet
[22:45] <BenO> sorry - *possible*
[22:45] <BenO> cperrin88, I misread
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, what if I had to apply a patch or modify the makefile?
[22:45] <BenO> cperrin88, You can get sound out, just not via alsa atm
[22:46] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Is the patch available somewhere else?
[22:46] <cperrin88> BenO: how?
[22:46] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Like in the projects main repository?
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, nope
[22:46] <BenO> Directly - see /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio for code
[22:46] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Then, you need to submit the patch to the repository or make a source inary
[22:47] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Or I mean source package
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, alright, thanks
[22:47] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: It's always smartest to do that anyhow
[22:47] <BenO> cperrin88, I've pushed bytes at the alsa driver and that works fine - there is an issue with apps like mplayer that require timing info back
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[22:50] <cperrin88> BenO: do you know if it works out of the box with fedora?
[22:51] <BenO> cperrin88, my hunch would be that it is at the same state as the debian img
[22:51] <BenO> cperrin88, xbmc works because they are using the h/w directly, without ALSA/etc in the way
[22:51] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Is it a package for Fedora or Debian?
[22:52] <Kostic> Anti-USA&Anti-EU propaganda... Anyone interested?
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[22:52] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, neither, it's dev version of qemu for windows
[22:52] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Windows on ARM?
[22:52] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ARM1176 on windows though
[22:53] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Oh, so I take it that it's a patch to make QEmu work with the Raspberry Pi images???
[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, nuh, qemu already works fine with raspberry pi images
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[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> just to get the damn thing to compile on windows
[22:54] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Oh, so it's a windows patch...
[22:54] <cperrin88> BenO: then whaat do I need to run XBMC? ...
[22:55] <IT_Sean> you mean... besides xbmc?
[22:55] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Since there's already a QEMU pre-compiled for Windows, I would assume that they know about it, but I would still submit it to the project
[22:55] <BenO> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xbmc+raspberrypi
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, no those builds are ancient and very few of them have ARM support
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[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> But I'll task to one of the devs later to see if they're interested in making it less of a pain to compile
[22:56] <BenO> cperrin88, It's not what I am using, but I am sure all the stuff there will point you are making an xbmc out of the Pi
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[22:56] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/\
[22:56] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/ even
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I've seen that
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> don't remember what was wrong with it
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[22:57] <OneFix_Work> ShiftPlusOne: Qemu 1.0.1 is not ancient
[22:57] <cperrin88> BenO: I'm sorry if it seems like I'm just asking and not thinking but I'M googling very much ... I just can't find info on how to set it up on the debian image ..... is it possile or do I need the raspbmc ... that is what I jsut can't find ... but I might just serch on
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[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I know, but there was some reason I didn't just nick those
[22:58] <BenO> cperrin88, If you want to run the xbmc distro, you need to get an image from them, put it on the SD in much the same way you did for the debian image and boot with that instead
[22:59] <BenO> cperrin88, it's not a project that I've been keeping tabs on aside from the basics, so I am not sure what sort of release they are putting out yet
[23:01] <OneFix_Work> That reminds me, is anyone going to run an "unofficial" repository for Debian "squeeze"?
[23:01] <BenO> When you say 'unofficial'?
[23:01] <chronofast> that's not a bad idea
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[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, oh that's right, I saw "-Medium contains also ARM, PPC and usually SPARC virtual machines." and "Qemu-0.15.1-windows-Medium.zip" and assumed the other packages were 'lite'. Though looking at the file size now, I think they are probably full builds
[23:02] <chronofast> makes me think of hexxeh's hardfloat recompiles
[23:02] <OneFix_Work> BenO: Like something on launchpad with pre-compiled packages for the rPi
[23:02] <BenO> OneFix_Work, Oh I see :)
[23:03] <chronofast> it's all the same hardware, it should be a lot easier to set it up
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[23:07] <Hexxeh> aha
[23:07] <Hexxeh> this is making me want to try doing silly things :P
[23:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, go on :)
[23:09] <Hexxeh> well
[23:10] <Hexxeh> folks are testing stuff for rpi using qemu
[23:10] <Hexxeh> but what about qemu on a rpi? :P
[23:10] <Hexxeh> obviously it'd be beyond painfully slow, and basically just "because you can"
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[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: yes, it works
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: peoplel have booted windows 95 on the n900, which is of a similar HW class
[23:10] <BenO> Hexxeh, change the boot params and you might just be able to boot a 486! ;)
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, yeah, a guy was using qemu to emulate a pi and then within that, qemu running windows xp
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> and by running I mean taking several days just to boot
[23:11] <Hexxeh> that's not quite the same
[23:12] <Hexxeh> qemu has more power than a pi
[23:12] <Hexxeh> if you're on a reasonably powerful desktop
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[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> not a performance comparison
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> just saying people do silly things
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: I'm not sure that's actually true
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Even on a fast desktop, qemu can be rather slow.
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, neither (for the ARM target anyway)
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Of course if you have benchmarks
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[23:16] <BenO> about to gdb/strace mplayer - wish me luck....
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[23:28] <Hexxeh> has anyone looked into chainloading booting from usb btw?
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[23:29] <haltdef_> easier to leave the kernel on the sd and just pass it root=/dev/sdaX I'd imagine
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[23:29] <Hexxeh> that's what i mean
[23:29] <Hexxeh> when i tried it, it didn't work
[23:30] <Hexxeh> hung waiting for root device
[23:30] <Hexxeh> it'd be immensely useful if it worked for me
[23:30] <haltdef_> hung?
[23:30] <Hexxeh> never finds the root device
[23:30] <haltdef_> crashed or just waited indefinitely?
[23:30] <Hexxeh> at the moment i have to kludge an mbr sd card image together
[23:30] <Hexxeh> it'd be great if i could just chainload from an sd card to my gpt formatted usb stick
[23:30] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: does it detect the usb stick?
[23:31] <Hexxeh> yes, but it doesn't show it as sda
[23:31] <Hexxeh> well, it does if you plug it in once something like debian has finished booting
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[23:32] <haltdef_> does the debian image do funky stuff with initrds?
[23:32] <Hexxeh> iirc no
[23:32] <haltdef_> when I got this all working on the pandaboard it just .. worked
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> OneFix_Work, that's for making me double check, that build seems to have everything. That'll save me a few hours. =D
[23:32] <Hexxeh> ahh
[23:32] <Hexxeh> i know why
[23:32] <haltdef_> as long as usb support was enabled and I passed "rootwait" to the kernel it just booted when sda1 appeared
[23:32] <Hexxeh> kernel/drivers/usb/storage/uas.ko
[23:33] <Hexxeh> a driver the usb stick needs is compiled as a module
[23:33] <Hexxeh> that's a pain
[23:33] <haltdef_> aha
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[23:33] <haltdef_> I only used usb hdds
[23:34] <haltdef_> time to compile your own kernel mebbe? :P
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[23:35] <Hexxeh> yeah doing it now
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[23:48] <BenO> :( audio out is very crackly with alsa+ogg123 which is the simplest player I can think of that plays thru alsa, but doesn't hang like mplayer, mpd, etc
[23:48] <ReggieUK> did you try alsaplayer?
[23:49] <ReggieUK> can you adjust buffers and stuff on it?
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[23:51] <BenO> ReggieUK, The ALSA driver is still very alpha and has bugs - just trying to nail down one now
[23:51] <ReggieUK> BenO, sure I realise that, just making suggestings
[23:52] <BenO> ReggieUK, I know, sorry, I've been banging my head against it today
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[23:52] <ReggieUK> I wish my pi was here so I could really help but it isn't so you'll just have to put up with reggies randomcrap (tm)
[23:52] <BenO> ReggieUK, know anything about writing ALSA drivers? :)
[23:53] <ReggieUK> sod all
[23:53] <fakker> :)
[23:53] <BenO> Same here really :(
[23:53] <ReggieUK> but I have futzed with a couple of arm systems with crappy audio drivers
[23:53] <ReggieUK> so never say never
[23:53] <BenO> Only what I've read in the past day or two
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[23:53] <ReggieUK> and quite frankly, at this stage of things, as many people putting input in is a good thing
[23:54] <ReggieUK> even if it can be discounted in seconds
[23:54] <BenO> absolutely :)
[23:54] <Hexxeh> d'oh!
[23:54] <Hexxeh> i didn't realise v8 was a separate runtime library...
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[23:55] <ReggieUK> as in armv8
[23:55] <Hexxeh> as in the javascript engine
[23:56] <ReggieUK> ahh
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[23:58] <BenO> Has anyone else been tinkering with the sound?

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