#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-04-18

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[0:04] <ARMadillo> Epp.,
[0:04] <ARMadillo> :-D
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[0:05] <BenO> Still there ARMadillo /Iota? ;)
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[0:06] <BenO> http://respon.org/ Awwww cuteness in FPGA form :) love the etching on the obverse side!
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, damn, that's pretty clever
[0:08] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, shiny it is :)
[0:09] <BenO> Can someone with a Pi run a test for me?
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[0:09] <vgrade> Hexxeh, there was a message about adding http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BLK_DEV_SD.html to the kernel
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[0:40] <Hexxeh> hmm
[0:40] <Hexxeh> any kernel i compile for the pi results in a black screen on boot
[0:40] <Hexxeh> odd.
[0:41] <BenO> Black screen but green ok light?
[0:41] <Hexxeh> no green ok light
[0:41] <BenO> Hmm...
[0:41] <Hexxeh> does mkimage want the zImage or just the Image?
[0:41] <Hexxeh> i assumed zImage
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[0:42] <BenO> Not sure, sorry :(
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[0:46] <BenO> the alsa channel aren't particularly helpful. Quite a quiet channel...
[0:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: I think Image.
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[0:49] <friggle> Hexxeh: easy to see, as unless you've made major config changes your kernel.img will be about the same size as the pre-built ones
[0:49] <Hexxeh> friggle: hmm, using Image gets me further, ok green light and display, but very early kernel panic
[0:49] <Hexxeh> friggle: oddly, my Image one seems to be almost twice the size... :/
[0:49] <friggle> Hexxeh: what changes have you made to the kernel/kernel config?
[0:50] <Hexxeh> included usb stuff cooke din
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[0:50] <Hexxeh> so i can chain boot to usb
[0:50] <friggle> Hexxeh: so your .config is based off bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig?
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[0:51] <Hexxeh> ah, no, the non-cutdown one
[0:51] <friggle> (though to be honest I'm nto sure if Dom is using that or something slightly different in current builds, might be safest to grab the config for a known good kernel from /proc/config.gz)
[0:51] <friggle> you can just do `make bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig` (obviously with the right environment vars for your cross compile environment etc)
[0:52] <friggle> the non-cutdown one shouldn't really panic though...
[0:54] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/FvTz
[0:54] <Hexxeh> got further than it did with the original kernel
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[0:54] <Hexxeh> actually manages to mount the root from the usb stick it seems
[0:58] <Hexxeh> anyone with a running pi, can you send me a dump of /proc/config.gz so i can try that?
[1:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, http://pastebin.com/Qxcay1hY from debian img 13/04
[1:00] <Hexxeh> BenO: cheers!
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[1:08] <Hexxeh> odd, just a black screen with that...
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[1:11] <BenO> Now that is odd...
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[1:17] <wcchandler> where should bugs be reported with the various images?
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[1:19] <BenO> wcchandler, when you say 'bugs'?
[1:20] <BenO> Is it with the images themselves, the environment on boot, or the subsystems in the OSs?
[1:21] <wcchandler> just the arm build of debian (i assume)
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[1:21] <wcchandler> but I didn't know if there's an active dev in the raspberry pi scene who's the go-to
[1:21] <BenO> wcchandler, There are lots of things that could be improved/fixed - anything specific?
[1:22] <BenO> So far, I've posted issues on the github page
[1:22] <wcchandler> BenO: well, are you the maintainer of the debian image? :P
[1:22] <wcchandler> ahh
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[1:24] <BenO> The firmware side of things is at https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware for example
[1:24] <wcchandler> BenO: nah, it's OS specific
[1:24] <wcchandler> perl spits off warnings of locale settings on initial boot
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[1:25] <BenO> I think we need to raise an issue to get an issue tracker for the reference debian build then :)
[1:26] <BenO> But yes, very good point - I wouldn't know where to post that sort of thing without pinging them directly
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[1:27] <friggle> BenO: wcchandler: you're right, we could do with a place to log that stuff
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[1:28] <Hexxeh> is it just me or is the emergency kernel on github atm broken?
[1:28] <Hexxeh> i just get a scrambled display
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[1:28] <friggle> wcchandler: you say on initial boot? You mean it's better on subsequent boots?
[1:28] <BenO> emergency kernel?
[1:29] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel_emergency.img
[1:29] <Hexxeh> i was using it to do depmod -a to get a new rootfs booting
[1:29] <wcchandler> friggle: I'd hate to jump on #debian-arm or whatever and hunt down the maintainer from there :/ especially if we could just get a repo going on the raspi side to handle it :/
[1:29] <BenO> Just saw - the commit note does mention some HDMI changes...
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[1:30] <wcchandler> friggle: not sure yet, though, but my assumption is yes, once I set my locale it should go away
[1:30] <BenO> wcchandler +1 to a tracker/something for the reference distro
[1:30] <wcchandler> I haven't hunted down the fix yet, but if memory serves it had to do with that
[1:31] <friggle> wcchandler: there isn't a maintainer there are the moment. Gray makes an image, we poke it, it goes online
[1:31] <friggle> we're hope to improve that process shortly
[1:32] <wcchandler> :) got ya
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[1:33] <Hexxeh> is the hdmi_drive option documented anywhere?
[1:33] <friggle> Hexxeh: well, Dom documents it on the forums at the moment :)
[1:34] <Hexxeh> seem to have totally lost display on the latest firmware
[1:34] <BenO> friggle, " Gray makes an image, we poke it, it goes online" <-- :D reminds me of the stories about the early days of the BBC Micro
[1:34] <Hexxeh> well, occasionally i get corrupted display, but mostly just blank
[1:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/no-hdmi-output-composite-ok/page-2/#p65614
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[1:35] <rick2k> Does anyone have any idea how to solve this error 110 is that i get hundreds of time on boot?
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[1:35] <friggle> Hexxeh: you might also want to try config_hdmi_boost which increases the hdmi output.
[1:35] <rick2k> says something about SD card initalise states or something...
[1:35] <BasketOfKittens> does anyone know the status of XBMC?
[1:35] <friggle> Hexxeh: when you say latest image, you mean latest debian on the site or latest firmware from git?
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[1:35] <Hexxeh> latest firmware from git
[1:35] <BasketOfKittens> i was a video of someone loading up openelec today and it took a took 10-20 seconds between menus
[1:36] <Hexxeh> friggle: previous firmware worked with hdmi_mode=4
[1:38] <friggle> Hexxeh: config_hdmi_boost and hdmi_drive are both worth playing with
[1:38] <friggle> Hexxeh: also, /opt/vc/bin/tvservice (make sure you have the latest from firmware) is useful for getting more info
[1:38] <friggle> e.g. /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s, and using -d to dump the edid for Dom or one of his colleagues to look at
[1:39] <Hexxeh> friggle: finally managed to get life
[1:39] <Hexxeh> hdmi_mode=4, hdmi_drive=2, hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[1:40] <friggle> Hexxeh: ah, so hdmi_drive=1 breaks it? (which is the new default...)
[1:40] <Hexxeh> seems so yet
[1:40] <Hexxeh> *yep
[1:40] <Hexxeh> hdmi_drive=1 appears to be dvi related?
[1:40] <friggle> sorry, not the default. Becomes preferred in a certain case
[1:41] <Hexxeh> those options managed to give me output on the normal kernel
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[1:41] <Hexxeh> still corrupted output on the emergency one though
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[1:41] <Hexxeh> that's not been updated as recently though, maybe that's why
[1:41] <friggle> yeah
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[1:42] <friggle> Hexxeh: so when you get broken output, what is /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s, and what is it for working output? (i.e., normal kernel.img but just changing your config.txt)
[1:42] <Hexxeh> can't tell, it doesn't even get that far
[1:42] <Hexxeh> no green ok light
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[1:42] <friggle> Hexxeh: :s
[1:43] <friggle> Hexxeh: definitely post in the forums, probably in http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/no-hdmi-output-composite-ok/page-2/#p65614 as Dom and his anonymous HDMI/EDID expert colleague are already hanging out there
[1:43] <friggle> I'll drop him an email to point him to it
[1:43] <friggle> or make an issue on github
[1:43] <friggle> actually yes, make an issue on github
[1:44] <Hexxeh> yeah, i'll post on github
[1:44] <friggle> we should make better use of that with people who are able to make good bug reports :)
[1:44] <BenO> Anything that is worth me trying to replicate, Hexxeh, friggle ?
[1:45] <Hexxeh> BenO: look at the firmware repo on github, try booting with the latest files from there and kernel_emergency.img
[1:46] <Hexxeh> friggle: added an issue
[1:46] <friggle> Hexxeh: BenO: as you say, kernel_emergency.img wasn't updated in the last update so maybe best ignore it
[1:47] <friggle> Hexxeh: but it is fine with kernel.img with no regression?
[1:47] <Hexxeh> well, extra config.txt stuff seems to be required as i detailed in the issue
[1:47] <Hexxeh> i mean, i am using a pretty odd setup
[1:47] <Hexxeh> using one of these: http://www.kanexlive.com/xd
[1:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: might be worth documenting that. the fact you now have to explicitly say hdmi_drive=2 is a big deal, but if you're using a funny piece of hardware maybe something we can live with
[1:50] <Hexxeh> also, it'd be good if the initrd for the emergency kernel was on github
[1:50] <Hexxeh> the defconfig makes reference to ../target_fs
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[1:53] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah. There's a lot of cleaning up to do.
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[1:53] <friggle> Hexxeh: I've been fiddling around with this wretched demo image and I think everyone else has been fielding issues with hdmi tvs or SD cards. I'm hoping to make a start on cleaning up the release process and opening it up to contributions this weekend
[1:54] <Hexxeh> sweet
[1:54] <BenO> Copied and pasted the shiny new firmware/boot/* to the card - console and X display fine on my projector (Optima HD600X)
[1:54] <BenO> no config.txt in /boot
[1:54] <wcchandler> posted on twitter about what to do with OS bugs, she said post in the forums :(
[1:54] <Hexxeh> BenO: what about the emergency kernel?
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[1:55] <BenO> Hexxeh, I've just done something dumb - I copied over the firmware from my fork... nvm, will try again
[1:55] <friggle> Hexxeh: your suggestion for usb boot seems good. As I said in the comment, if you're able to test and confirm exactly what you need enabled that *very* helpful
[1:56] <Hexxeh> friggle: yeah, that's what i'm trying to figure out at the moment
[1:56] <Hexxeh> config_usb_uas=y and config_blk_dev_sd get it to a point where it'll mount the rootfs from my usb stick
[1:57] <BasketOfKittens> that would be very very good. usb speed >>> sd card speed, yes?
[1:57] <Hexxeh> yeah
[1:57] <Hexxeh> i think it'll make a huge difference in chrome
[1:57] <Hexxeh> i did a bit of profiling before
[1:57] <friggle> wcchandler: yeah, for now it's probably the best place. It's not perfect, but things do get picked up from there
[1:57] <Hexxeh> and here's the odd thing
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[1:57] <Hexxeh> loading a page from cache was slower than loading it fresh over the network
[1:57] <Hexxeh> that's how slow sd card access was...
[1:58] <friggle> sd cards can suck. Some *significantly* more than others
[1:58] <friggle> but in general yeah...a pain
[1:58] <Hexxeh> is there anything hardware or read-only burned into hardware wise that prevents an entire USB based boot?
[1:59] <Hexxeh> or is it just a case of getting firmware that supports it?
[1:59] <BenO> Booted with new kernel
[1:59] <BasketOfKittens> haha wow
[1:59] <BasketOfKittens> SD cards were designed with bulk read/write rather than random, yes?
[1:59] <BenO> console has changed from 1080i to 720p as a first obvious change
[1:59] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: Are you trying to boot a USB stick?
[1:59] <Hexxeh> M0RBD: yeah
[1:59] <M0RBD> or a disk
[1:59] <Hexxeh> stick
[1:59] <Hexxeh> i'm not doing this entirely for reasons of speed, actually
[1:59] <Hexxeh> i want to use chromium os's disk layout unmodified
[1:59] <friggle> Hexxeh: well, you've got to load the gpu blob from the sd card right?
[2:00] <M0RBD> Hexxeh: its not one of these U3 ones... which has a "hidden" partition
[2:00] <BasketOfKittens> i remember speedtesting my class6 against a generic usb drive and the random read/write different was astounding
[2:00] <Hexxeh> friggle: is that a fixed limitation in hardware?
[2:00] <Hexxeh> friggle: ie, can that not be loaded from usb
[2:00] <Hexxeh> M0RBD: nope, plain old USB
[2:00] <M0RBD> Ok
[2:00] <Hexxeh> M0RBD: it's my usual cros testing one, i've booted other devices with it
[2:00] <friggle> Hexxeh: I'm not a Broadcom employee, but afaik there's a teeny tiny bootloader that's just enough to load the real bootloader from a FAT partition on the SD card
[2:01] <Hexxeh> aww, shame
[2:01] <BenO> Hexxeh, friggle with the newest kernel, the display isn't corrupted, but my projector tells me it's now at 720p rather than 1080i/p which it was at
[2:01] <Hexxeh> i'd argue that usb sticks are more common than sd cards, and they don't come with the 1.8v signalling/class 10 issue
[2:01] <BasketOfKittens> would directing the rootfs to a USB drive be enough to make a difference?
[2:01] <Hexxeh> speeds are generally better, too
[2:02] <Hexxeh> BasketOfKittens: it'd make the entire difference
[2:02] <BasketOfKittens> ah, i see
[2:02] <Hexxeh> BasketOfKittens: if you just put your kernel on an SD, then once that's loaded, you don't need to touch it again
[2:02] <BasketOfKittens> dang. that sounds legit
[2:02] <BasketOfKittens> you've tried it?
[2:02] <Hexxeh> trying to do it now
[2:02] <Hexxeh> kernel panic ahoy
[2:02] <friggle> Hexxeh: are speeds really better though?
[2:02] <BasketOfKittens> ahhh wicked, love to hear how it turns out
[2:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: a hell of a lot in my experience
[2:03] <BasketOfKittens> yeah i installed OS X on a brand new class 10
[2:03] <BasketOfKittens> took 25 minutes to boot
[2:03] <BasketOfKittens> while i can boot from a usb in under a minute
[2:03] <friggle> Hexxeh: at least they make some attempt to label speed for SD cards...even if it's almost completely meaningless when you want to know throughput of 4K writes :)
[2:03] <Hexxeh> friggle: i think that's probably done more harm than good, really
[2:03] <friggle> BenO: eughh
[2:03] <Hexxeh> in terms of using them in computers, as opposed to cameras
[2:04] <BasketOfKittens> cameras too though
[2:04] <friggle> BenO: does /opt/vc/bin/tvservice list 1080i/p as possible modes?
[2:04] <BasketOfKittens> my 60d won't do 1080p on one class6 and will on another
[2:04] <BasketOfKittens> the labels seem almost arbitrary
[2:04] <friggle> BasketOfKittens: that's really stupid, that's the *one* think the class 6 label should tell you
[2:05] <friggle> it's useless for anything else, but sustained sequential writes surely it can give you a useful indicator for
[2:05] <Hexxeh> but those aren't really important when it comes to using it to boot from
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[2:05] <BasketOfKittens> haha exactly, and 1080p write on a camera is supposed to work on even class4. what is it that's so different in the flash chips between USB drives and SD cards?
[2:05] <Hexxeh> so it might be useful for cameras, but it's nigh on useless for everything else
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[2:06] <BasketOfKittens> rpi 2.0: toss the SD card, 4 usb instead
[2:06] <friggle> BasketOfKittens: well that's why I question whether USB sticks really are better in practice. Maybe your average branded USB stick is better than your average branded SD card. I imagine the unbadged stuff has horrible cheap flash with a horrible Flash Translation Layer though
[2:07] <friggle> just as SD cards do
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[2:07] <Hexxeh> oh yeah, the crap ones are absolutely terrible
[2:07] <BasketOfKittens> ahh, i see
[2:07] <BasketOfKittens> good point
[2:07] <Hexxeh> but the average USB definitely seems to be better than the average SD
[2:07] <BasketOfKittens> i have a bag of about 15 USB drives whereas only about 3 SD cards though
[2:07] <BasketOfKittens> and the speeds have been _genearlly_ better with usb
[2:07] <BasketOfKittens> yeah
[2:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, the manufacturers certain have more incentive to optimise for the workloads we care about. Apparently SD card manufacturuers are getting a little more interested in 4K writes (smart phones etc)
[2:08] <BasketOfKittens> interesting
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[2:09] <BasketOfKittens> hexxeh - any luck booting usb?
[2:09] <Hexxeh> not yet
[2:10] <BasketOfKittens> what was the chromeos performance like?
[2:10] <BasketOfKittens> compared to deb
[2:10] <Hexxeh> not had chrome running on chromeos yet
[2:10] <Hexxeh> trying to do that now
[2:10] <Hexxeh> to go back to debian i had to wipe my chromeos sd card
[2:10] <Hexxeh> since i only have the one sd card
[2:10] <Hexxeh> hence why i'm trying to get usb boot working so i can switch easily, i have lots of fast usb sticks
[2:11] <BasketOfKittens> ahh yeah good call
[2:11] <wcchandler> i had to wipe my phone's micro sd card :P
[2:11] <wcchandler> speed really isn't as bad as everyone's saying
[2:12] <Hexxeh> i was hideously unprepared for my pis arriving :P
[2:12] <friggle> midori from wheezy/sid seems a little speeder to me. I suspect there have been quite a few webkit optimisations since Debian squeeze
[2:12] <Hexxeh> compensated by ordering a stack of SDs off amazon
[2:12] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: ha yep. Me too. I fortunately had to go to walmart/high street for other things
[2:12] <Hexxeh> friggle: the version of chromium in the repos looks to be years old
[2:12] <Hexxeh> it's like version 6 or something
[2:12] <Hexxeh> we're on version 20 now
[2:12] <Hexxeh> :P
[2:12] <friggle> Hexxeh: yep, that's squeeze. "stable" :) sadly no armel chromium build in wheezy or sid :(
[2:13] <Hexxeh> i think they're stopping supporting it
[2:13] <Hexxeh> arm chromium support is "interesting" to say the least
[2:14] <BenO> Christ... when did it get to 1am?
[2:14] <friggle> BenO: I was just thinking the same thing...
[2:14] <BasketOfKittens> armel... honestly, if that dude gets his debian hardfloat off the ground
[2:14] <Matt> BenO: it didn't yet :)
[2:14] <BasketOfKittens> that would be SO much better
[2:14] <Matt> Wed Apr 18 00:13:32 UTC 2012
[2:14] <BasketOfKittens> softfloat is sad panda :(
[2:14] <Matt> see, not 1am yet
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[2:15] <BenO> Matt, lol
[2:15] <BenO> I can keep going then :)
[2:15] <friggle> BenO: do make a report about your projector negotiating the wrong res though (maybe paste /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m whatever output, and definitely link to a dumped edmi dat).
[2:15] <BenO> Also, just found out that my projector has a working speaker and can output HDMI audio
[2:15] <Hexxeh> hurrah
[2:15] <BenO> So have my neighbours
[2:15] <friggle> BenO: but maybe in the morning ;)
[2:15] <Matt> nice
[2:15] <Hexxeh> got USB boot working
[2:15] <Hexxeh> this is going to be /so/ much easier.
[2:16] <Hexxeh> friggle: i'll post the kernel options required to that issue real soon
[2:16] <BenO> friggle, Is it intended to pick the highest res available?
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[2:16] <BenO> Hexxeh +1000 internets :)
[2:16] <Hexxeh> jesus CHRIST
[2:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, very, very nice work
[2:17] <friggle> BenO: well, I suppose your projector could state it can take 1080 but prefers 720. I'm not massively familiar with hdmi negotiation
[2:17] <Hexxeh> this is immensely faster
[2:17] <BasketOfKittens> YES
[2:17] <Hexxeh> before logging in took a couple seconds
[2:17] <Hexxeh> it's now INSTANT.
[2:17] <BasketOfKittens> hexxeh wins internet
[2:17] <BasketOfKittens> fuck yes.
[2:17] <Matt> immensely faster just sounds wrong
[2:17] <Hexxeh> and this is one of my worst pendrives... :P
[2:17] <Matt> significantly faster maybe?
[2:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, sign me up - I only have one working SD and a bag of USBs :)
[2:17] <BasketOfKittens> what's general speed like? honestly i bet it's increased tenfold
[2:17] <BasketOfKittens> running osx on an SD opening chrome took like a minute
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[2:18] <BenO> friggle, true - where was the page listing the vc tv options? can't find it at the minute
[2:18] <friggle> BasketOfKittens: chrome loads for Hexxeh before he even starts to move the mouse
[2:18] <BenO> (so I can get all the diagnostics)
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[2:18] <friggle> BenO: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -h should tell you what you need
[2:18] <Hexxeh> i noticed the difference immediately
[2:18] <Hexxeh> i'll get some hard benchmarks now
[2:18] <Lerc> I have a 20 gig usb pocket hard drive that may be receiving a new home.
[2:19] <BasketOfKittens> oh god i am so much more excited now
[2:19] <friggle> BenO: and yeah, it is worth considering whether you want 1080 output or not. i.e. if your projector is just getting what it asked for
[2:19] <Hexxeh> sd card was 4MB/s read, usb stick is 14MB/s read
[2:19] <Hexxeh> so 3.5x faster
[2:19] <BasketOfKittens> =)
[2:19] <Hexxeh> i have faster usb sticks than this
[2:19] <Hexxeh> this is a cheap crappy 4gb one
[2:19] <BasketOfKittens> any chance you can try a network copy? i bet that's way faster too
[2:20] <Matt> theamphour need to stop going on "we've heard this" and "so and so says that" :)
[2:20] <Matt> this week they were being a lot more positive about the pi but "we've heard you can't get a datasheet without signing an NDA"
[2:20] <friggle> Hexxeh: will have to investigate putting my rootfs on a decent USB stick. I was put off a few months back as there were a bunch of USB issues
[2:21] <Matt> sure, you're not getting the full datasheet, but the 200 page abbreviated datasheet prolly has most of the stuff you're gonna need
[2:21] <Matt> given it covers the stuff you can actually use on th epi
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[2:22] <Hexxeh> friggle: added the options required to the issue
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[2:23] <Hexxeh> makes a big difference to stuff like apt-get
[2:24] <friggle> Hexxeh: awesome, thanks. not entirely sure how long it will take to get rolled in to a new build. I imagine Dom will just stick it in the defconfig next time he updates the tree. For my part, I really need to be spending some time doing non-pi things ;)
[2:24] <friggle> Hexxeh: what SD card did you have?
[2:24] <Hexxeh> i can't even remember what brand it is, pinched it off my girlfriend's DS the day my Pi arrived when I found out the class 10 card i bought didn't work
[2:24] <Hexxeh> i'll check once i power down my pi
[2:24] <Hexxeh> it's a microsd in an adaptor
[2:24] <Hexxeh> kingston i /think/, class 4
[2:25] <friggle> Hexxeh: that is a particularly poor example of SD card for Linux filesystems :)
[2:26] <friggle> Hexxeh: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Kernel/Projects/FlashCardSurvey basically all the Kingston's only have support for one open AU, so for small random write workloads (as you get in a Linux FS) performance is *atrocious*
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[2:27] <Hexxeh> ouch
[2:27] <Hexxeh> might explain it
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[2:27] <friggle> Hexxeh: totally willing to believe USB can offer better performance, just saying you've probably get a really extreme example
[2:28] <Hexxeh> mmh
[2:29] <Hexxeh> gah
[2:29] <Hexxeh> chromeos rootfs still doesn't want to load from usb
[2:29] <BenO> Hexxeh, You might want to add your display issues to this perhaps? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/4
[2:29] <Hexxeh> wait
[2:29] <Hexxeh> what resolution is hdmi_mode=4?
[2:30] <friggle> BenO: yeah, it's gone for the 'native' 720p. I suppose that's likely intended
[2:32] <friggle> wow, too late/early. night all
[2:32] <Hexxeh> night
[2:32] <BenO> friggle, In that case, it's the projector that is suggesting 720p is the native in its EDID?
[2:32] <BenO> friggle, nvm night
[2:33] <friggle> BenO: that's certainly seems to be the case. If you can put the dumped edid obtained through tvservice -d outputfile somewhere then Dom or someone else can double check
[2:34] <BenO> I may have to put on an updated tvservice - mine doesn't understand that option
[2:37] <Hexxeh> huh
[2:37] <Hexxeh> ext2 and ext3 drivers aren't in the default kernel
[2:37] <Hexxeh> odd.
[2:38] <BasketOfKittens> for chromeos?
[2:38] <BasketOfKittens> oh rpi
[2:38] <BasketOfKittens> that sounds kind of useless
[2:38] <Hexxeh> chromeos rootfs is ext2
[2:38] <BasketOfKittens> heh
[2:38] <BasketOfKittens> without ext2/3/4 usb booting is kind of
[2:38] <Hexxeh> no ext3 needed really because it should never be mounted rw
[2:39] <Hexxeh> it has ext4
[2:39] <Hexxeh> just not ext2/ext3
[2:39] <BasketOfKittens> ahh
[2:39] <BasketOfKittens> i see
[2:39] <Hexxeh> ext4 can technically mount older versions
[2:39] <Hexxeh> but it's choking on the chromeos rootfs
[2:39] <BasketOfKittens> hrm
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[2:40] <BasketOfKittens> pretty amped on this though. honestly makes everything so much more feasible imo
[2:41] <bnmorgan> hm. i have my order number but can't find where to track it
[2:41] <Matt> sounds like it's time to build a kernel :)
[2:41] <Hexxeh> already did :P
[2:42] <Matt> cross-compile?
[2:42] <Hexxeh> yeah
[2:42] <Matt> you should do a compile on the pi and see how long it takes :)
[2:43] <Hexxeh> a long, long time
[2:43] <BenO> A long enough time to reminisce about how long kernels used to take to build
[2:43] <BenO> Ah those were the days
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[2:45] <mkopack> Damn UPS guy teased me!!!! Came home to find a package on the porch....
[2:45] * Matt remembers building kernels on 486s and sub 200MHz pentiums
[2:45] <IT_Sean> mkopack, not a raspi, tho?
[2:45] <mkopack> Got all excited... But it was something I ordered from mycokerewards
[2:45] <mkopack> Dammit
[2:45] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[2:45] <Matt> IT_Sean: home now?
[2:45] <IT_Sean> I've been home for hours
[2:45] <BasketOfKittens> still nothing on my order from farnell export or newark canada :(
[2:45] <BasketOfKittens> sadness fills my heart
[2:45] <Matt> home and fed then? :)
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[2:45] <IT_Sean> Aye
[2:46] <Matt> BasketOfKittens: you another canadian?
[2:46] <BasketOfKittens> yessir
[2:46] * Matt got home to discover a) a car with a dying battery and b) sushi
[2:46] <IT_Sean> Canukistan. America's hat.
[2:46] <BasketOfKittens> ordered at 5 AM EST on feb 29
[2:46] <Matt> BasketOfKittens: where abouts?
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[2:46] <passstab> wazap?
[2:46] <BasketOfKittens> slowly becoming america north, thank you harp??
[2:46] <BasketOfKittens> currently ottawa, normally west coast though
[2:46] * IT_Sean is relaxing on the sofa, sorting photos on his harddrive
[2:47] <mkopack> Ok, guys, based on what abisur posted on the forums, only like 1200 are out in the wild... 800 of the initial 2000 went to the qt devs, various developers, and news media, and that classroom of kids that even gave them to....
[2:47] <Matt> aye well, some folks decided it would be a great idea to vote in a friggin conservative majority
[2:47] <mkopack> So, CHILL, I know it sounds like a lot of people are getting them, but really it's a drop in the bucket... relax, they'll come
[2:47] <BasketOfKittens> does _anyone_ know when farnell and rs will actually be shipping their own?
[2:47] <BasketOfKittens> is that knowledge that anyone has?
[2:47] <BasketOfKittens> i 'm just curious
[2:47] <IT_Sean> nope
[2:47] <mkopack> Within a couple weeks
[2:47] <Matt> IT_Sean: I misread that as "sorting photos of his harddrive"
[2:47] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:47] <IT_Sean> No
[2:47] <IT_Sean> ON my harddrive
[2:48] <BenO> BasketOfKittens, RS said they had a backlog of 250,000 orders ;)
[2:48] <BenO> At least, if you believe BBC journalism ;)
[2:48] <BasketOfKittens> i've never used arch before, is pacman based on binaries or source gentoo style?
[2:48] <BasketOfKittens> and woulda rch be the best bet for speed/low memory usage/etc?
[2:48] <IT_Sean> I have a large queue of unsorted photos. I've been lazy in keeping them neat.
[2:50] <mkopack> I *believe* arch is source based like gentoo,but I could be wrong..
[2:50] <mkopack> Best bet is to go google arch Linux...
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[2:50] <BasketOfKittens> what is this "google" you speak of...
[2:51] <IT_Sean> you use it to look for crap
[2:51] <mkopack> Fine, use whatever the hell you Canucks use up there...
[2:51] <IT_Sean> you should try it
[2:51] <Matt> IT_Sean: yaeh, that happens
[2:51] * Matt has a large folder labeled under photos/camera/unsorted/
[2:51] <IT_Sean> I always liked the way this one looked in B&W: http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/1519/dscn1777.jpg
[2:51] <BasketOfKittens> ah, apparently pacman is binary based but it can build from sources as well
[2:52] <mkopack> I would think a nation full of people who spend 8 months a year freezing your balls off would be potty good at the Internet
[2:52] <BasketOfKittens> interesting. might give 'er a go
[2:52] <mkopack> Since there's nothin else to do all winter long
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[2:52] <Matt> IT_Sean: Deutschland?
[2:52] <IT_Sean> No. New Jersey.
[2:52] <BasketOfKittens> interestingly enough, west coast is pretty damn temperate
[2:53] <mkopack> Been to Vancouver befor.. Yeah, it's not bad, but certainly not warm
[2:53] <Matt> IT_Sean: with a deutschland plate?
[2:53] <BenO> I'm off to try to sleep - may the group that invented ALSA and its architecture die in a fire, metaphorically speaking.
[2:53] <IT_Sean> Matt, yes.
[2:54] <BasketOfKittens> haha ok it's not florida warm
[2:54] <Matt> neat
[2:54] <BasketOfKittens> but it's not ottawa cold either
[2:54] <Matt> that's unusual
[2:54] <IT_Sean> NJ tag on the rear, of course.
[2:54] <Matt> ahh
[2:54] <IT_Sean> But i run the D-tag on the front.
[2:54] <Matt> NJ is a rear-plate only state then?
[2:54] <IT_Sean> Nope.
[2:55] <mkopack> Ok, what's the big deal about alsa?? What do you use that for??? Just music? Or music through the audio jack vs hdmi? Or what
[2:55] <Matt> then I'm confused
[2:56] <mkopack> Sad to say ill be in the swamp... I mean NJ tomorrow through Friday... Ugh
[2:56] <IT_Sean> Matt, they don't enforce it.
[2:56] <IT_Sean> I took this the same day: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5053/dscn1774q.jpg
[2:56] <Matt> ahh, ok :)
[2:56] <IT_Sean> And this: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6751/dscn1776y.jpg
[2:57] <Matt> I ike the sky
[2:57] <Matt> could possibly be a little more contrasty
[2:57] <IT_Sean> It was a cloudy winter day @ the beach. :p
[2:57] <Matt> but I'm a sucker for contrasty B&W :)
[2:57] <IT_Sean> Cold as **** too
[2:57] <IT_Sean> I looove working in B&W
[2:58] <IT_Sean> http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3990/oldea.jpg
[2:58] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/bw/uni/mill1.jpg
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[2:58] <IT_Sean> Niiice
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> everything goes through alsa
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> and right now the alsa driver is so alpha playinga udio takes up nearly all the arm cpu
[2:59] <mkopack> So there's been no audio working up till now
[2:59] <mkopack> ?
[2:59] <IT_Sean> That's got a great post-apocalyptic feel to it, Matt
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> makes me a little nervous
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> there is audio working in the latest debian but it's quite awful
[2:59] <Matt> Ilford HP5, pushed to ISO 800, then processed in microphen
[2:59] <mkopack> How did they do audio in the XMBC demos then?
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> they didn't to my knowledge
[2:59] <BasketOfKittens> i've never seen an xbmc demo with audio
[3:00] <BasketOfKittens> someone can correct me
[3:00] <mkopack> I've also seen the #7 board andytuk loaded that spectrum emulator on and it was playing sound
[3:00] <Matt> IT_Sean: taken at like 1am with IIRC an 8 second exposure
[3:00] <IT_Sean> I used to shoot with an old Olympus D620L, before it died. I do all my post processing in Photoshop CS5
[3:01] <BasketOfKittens> orly? that's good to hear
[3:01] <IT_Sean> I have yet to get a good replacement camera
[3:01] <BasketOfKittens> not sure about xbmc though
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[3:01] <BasketOfKittens> someone did a video of the latest build of openELEC and it was..... not confidence inspiring
[3:01] <mkopack> And that was on the old Debian build
[3:01] <BasketOfKittens> but i'm hopeful still
[3:01] <Matt> those b&w shots of my uni were taken on an old Yasica 230AF
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[3:02] * IT_Sean really wants a new DSLR, but... $$$$ :/
[3:02] <Matt> I switched to a Canon EOS 300 shortly after that
[3:02] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[3:02] <Matt> and now I've got a Rebel XS
[3:02] * mkopack bought his siter a rebel ti
[3:03] <Matt> and am highly annoyed that one of the elements in my 70-300 USM is out of alignment
[3:03] <Matt> debating sending it to Canon to see if they can repair it
[3:03] <Matt> figure that's probably cheaper than replacing it
[3:03] <wcchandler> 'nother small bug, gary didn't flush wtmp before pushing it out :P
[3:03] <mkopack> Matt yeah they should be able to fix it... Take it to a good local camera shop
[3:05] <Matt> mkopack: it's not a matter of whether it can or cannot, it's how much :)
[3:05] * IT_Sean used to have a great camera shop right in town. They closed up a few years ago, though. :/
[3:05] <Matt> given it's not exactly a new piece of glass
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[3:05] <mkopack> That's the really expensive part of dslr - good lenses
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[3:05] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
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[3:06] <Matt> friend of mine did some comparison shots, and the newer comparable glass is noticably better
[3:06] <mkopack> You can get a pretty decent body that will do 99% of what you need for <700 these days, but a couple good lenses will set you back over 1$k
[3:06] <Matt> aye
[3:07] <mkopack> I've thought about getting one, but I just can't justify it. I rarely even bother to pull out my canon sx-20 dp&s...
[3:07] <Matt> I paid just under 500 quid for my EOS 300 with 28-80 USM and 75-300 USM lenses
[3:08] <Matt> although right now what I really want is a speedlite
[3:09] <Matt> the builtin flash is really pretty pathetic for anything beyond snapshots
[3:09] <mkopack> Yeah.l
[3:09] <IT_Sean> This is at least 7 kinds of badass: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/ed99/
[3:09] <mkopack> I'm pissed... Bought my sis a good flash for hers and she didn't even take it out the box... Doesn't see the point... This from an art major who did a ton of photography in high school....
[3:10] <Matt> :/
[3:10] <Matt> time to claim it for your own :)
[3:10] <IT_Sean> :\
[3:10] <IT_Sean> Aye. Snarf it. :p
[3:11] <Matt> or if it's canon, send it this way :)
[3:11] <mkopack> $300 canon one
[3:12] <mkopack> Oh well
[3:12] <mkopack> She doesn't get shit now... The nephew gets spoiled rotten :). Uncles prerogative
[3:12] <Matt> hehe
[3:12] <mkopack> I've bought that kid enough Lego duplo blocks he could swim in them
[3:13] <mkopack> And as soon as he is old enough, he's getting computer equipment
[3:13] <Matt> I was looking at the yongnuo stuff
[3:13] <Matt> cheap and cheerful
[3:13] <mkopack> I'm probably going to have to give him his first hamburger, sis and her hubby and veggies
[3:13] <Matt> and gets reasonable reviews
[3:13] <mkopack> Maybe I'll take him to mcd's for his 2nd Bday when I'm out there in July
[3:14] <Matt> my wife's actually taking an evening photography course at the local college later this month
[3:14] <Matt> she's really intrested in it, but doesn't have a huge amount of experience
[3:14] <mkopack> That's how I learned Matt... It's good fun!
[3:14] <Matt> I offered to teach her, but trying to teach your significant other anything is a bad plan :)
[3:15] * Matt learned from his granddad
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[3:15] * mkopack agrees with Matt after remembering the repressed memories of dad trying to teach mom how to drive a stick shift
[3:15] <Matt> hence the B&W - he had a darkroom setup in the spare room
[3:15] <Matt> mkopack: ugh! driving is one thing you should not try and teach your SO :)
[3:16] <Matt> recipe for big arguments
[3:16] <IT_Sean> heh
[3:16] <mkopack> Mom and technology/machinery do NOT mix
[3:16] <Matt> hehe
[3:17] <mkopack> Only my mom can somehow manage to f up a Mac mini so bad that I've had to wipe and rebuild it... Not once... But THREE times now
[3:17] * Matt hears the apple "Bong!" from the other room
[3:18] <mkopack> And now they've screwed up their network so bad that I can't remote desktop into it to do admin work on it... So it is what it is until the next time I go visit, which won't be until next year some time, since they are coming here for Xmas this year
[3:18] <mkopack> Can't wait to see the mess dad has made of his MacBook that I bought him for Xmas
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[3:20] * IT_Sean is sooooo glad he isn't in _desktop_ support
[3:22] <Matt> yeah :)
[3:23] <Matt> I usually get around this by having my bro do it :)
[3:23] <Matt> given he lives in the same country and goes home to visit :)
[3:24] <Matt> although I have a couple of friends who recommend teamviewer
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[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I used to like helping people with computers
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> until I realised they'll just screw everything up again
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[3:36] <passstab> ShiftPlusOne, isn't that the challenge?
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[3:36] <passstab> showing people how to fix it and what they did wrong?
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that's what I thought
[3:39] <passstab> and then?
[3:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Now I think everyone who's actually interested in knowing how to use a computer properly has already learned, and it's just the people who aren't interested in learning.
[3:39] <passstab> hmm
[3:40] <passstab> i guess thats right
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and people who think it's all rocket science so they have unpenetrable barriers up
[3:40] <passstab> yea
[3:41] <passstab> importaint to note and look for ower own barriers
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[3:41] <passstab> the only people i help are the one using foss
[3:42] <passstab> or that could be
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[3:46] <mkopack> passstab: I'm with ShiftPlusOne - I wouldn't mind helping them learn, if they'd actually take the time to LISTEN and WANT to learn instead of "Here, fix it:"
[3:47] <mkopack> and I REALLY get annoyed when every family member thinks that just because my degree has the word computer in it they think I'm their personal IT Support person...
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[3:47] <mkopack> Um, I went to learn how to write SOFTWARE - not clean the virus off your computer, or uninstall the 1000 programs you never use, or build you a web site...
[3:48] <passstab> ...i'm with him also
[3:49] <wcchandler> woah... x + lxde was using ~60mb of memory
[3:49] <wcchandler> wonder what x+flux would use
[3:49] <wcchandler> or fvwm
[3:50] <hotwings> mkopack - thats why you never admit how much you really know about computers to people who are no where near your level
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[3:50] <hotwings> the list of favors people ask is endless and its ALWAYS the dumbest stuff. and of course ultimately you'll wind up just wanting to reinstall their whole system cuz that would be faster then 'cleaning their house'
[3:51] <mkopack> Case in point - the episode of Big Bang Theory where Sheldon is providing sales support to people in a Circuit City store is on....
[3:51] <mkopack> "Which hard drive do I want? Firewire or USB?" - "It depends - what kind of bus do you have?" "Um, I drive a Chevy Cavalier"
[3:52] <hotwings> the only thing worse than doing tech support, is doing tech support for free
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[3:56] <mkopack> Can't wait for Falling Skies to come back on in June
[3:58] <hotwings> i downloaded it but havent watched any yet.. looks awesome though
[3:59] <hotwings> i love sci-fi... if its good, even better :)
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm.... Eben is shooting himself in the foot I think.
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> By saying they'll open source raspberry pi
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[4:02] <hotwings> whats supposed to become open source that isnt already?
[4:02] <wcchandler> the SoC
[4:02] <wcchandler> drivers
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[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> the board schematics and layout I suppose
[4:03] <wcchandler> not to mention the hardware diagrams, which pin goes where
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[4:04] <ShiftPlusOne> but they're not going to open source the broadcom stuff, so that's going to be a problem for them in the OSHW community
[4:04] <wcchandler> unless they do
[4:04] <wcchandler> which would be amazing
[4:05] <hotwings> i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for that
[4:05] <wcchandler> aww man :( 2gb sd card just filled up
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[4:08] <passstab> it WOULD be amazing
[4:08] <passstab> and this might give them a large amount of pressure
[4:09] <passstab> not that i'm holding my breath either
[4:10] <mkopack> 2gb is nowhere near big enough??? hell a 16GB card to me seems small
[4:11] <passstab> depends on the usage
[4:12] <mkopack> well, considering the OS images just about fill up a 2GB before you load anything else up, that's a bit small IMO
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[4:15] <hotwings> i really wish there was a net-install option for raspberry pi
[4:16] <hotwings> i doubt ill need/use half of that 2GB image
[4:16] <passstab> me too
[4:16] <passstab> wish i knew how to make a custom image
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[4:19] <hotwings> i would love to know as well
[4:19] <passstab> just debian base would be a good start
[4:19] <hotwings> i know exactly what i use, my dir structure, and scripts ive written. would love to make a custom installable image with all that
[4:20] <hotwings> then again i guess i could just do an install and use acronis :)
[4:21] <hotwings> theres no fun in that though
[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the problem in making your own image?
[4:21] <passstab> wats achronis?
[4:21] <hotwings> i dont know how to download the debian testing netinst image, modify it as needed, and turn it back into an image
[4:22] <hotwings> acronis is a bootable backup tool
[4:22] <hotwings> can make images of disk and so on
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like clonezilla
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> but probably not as awesome
[4:24] <hotwings> never heard of clonezilla
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[4:24] <passstab> debian netinstall is shit
[4:24] <passstab> if you want testing
[4:25] <hotwings> can clonezilla do incremental backups, only whats changed, bla bla?
[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[4:25] <hotwings> ive only ever used debian testing netinst.. its always worked fine here
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[4:27] <passstab> but do you use testing?
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[4:28] <hotwings> yup, thats all i use
[4:28] <passstab> and the testing intinstall?
[4:29] <passstab> *netinstall
[4:29] <hotwings> thats all i install from
[4:29] <passstab> how long have you used it?
[4:29] <hotwings> all my linux boxes run debian testing, installed from netinst
[4:30] <hotwings> probably 10 years now or so
[4:30] <passstab> hmm
[4:30] <passstab> i'll need to try that
[4:30] * passstab used the stable netins then upgraded the repos
[4:31] * passstab is an idiot
[4:31] <hotwings> well.. technically it would less than that.. i first installed debian stable.. then about a year later switched to sid.. then about a year after that switched to testing cuz sid kept breaking on me
[4:31] <hotwings> so about the last 8 years
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, http://debianandi.blogspot.com.au/2010/07/howto-create-custom-debian-installer.html looks like what you might be after?
[4:31] <hotwings> oh man! i despise dist-upgrade
[4:31] <passstab> did you update or start fresh?
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[4:32] <hotwings> i always download the current debian testing netinst -> put it on bootable usb -> base install with nothing enabled -> apt-get whatever i actually need
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[4:33] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - i just gave the url a quick look. i tried that before (preseed'ing) but it didnt work for me at the time. maybe worth another try
[4:33] <passstab> ShiftPlusOne, that dosn't cover sd card images
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[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, sure, it sounded like he was just after the custom netinstall thing... there's nothing tricky to sd card images
[4:35] <passstab> oh
[4:36] <hotwings> it really sucks you cant boot from usb on rpi
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, why not?
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, you mean directly, nvrm
[4:37] <passstab> how?
[4:37] <passstab> is not that bad
[4:37] <passstab> THAT is a case in which a 2gb card will do
[4:38] <hotwings> would eliminate the need to fool with creating an sd somewhere else first
[4:38] <passstab> how do i make an sd card image?
[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd dd off an actual sd card, or use qemu and work with just the raw image
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[4:41] * passstab will wait for hotwings image
[4:41] <passstab> good night
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, what are you doing exactly? Just wondering
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[4:54] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - doing with linux you mean or?
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[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, passstab mentioned something about an image you may or may not be working on?
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[4:58] <hotwings> i think he just meant my own install image
[4:58] <hotwings> nothing special
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> is it that you want to customize the image to be fully pi-compatible or just a special-purpose image?
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> because if it's the first one, you may get away with just an initrd image.
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[5:10] <ukscone> y
[5:10] <ukscone> oopsy wrong window
[5:12] <ukscone> drat i ran out of disk space on seneca's raspi and liam turnd his off -- i'll have to wait until the morning to test this prog
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[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing a little rm / -rf can't fix
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[5:19] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i was tempted but i think ctyler might not be too happy if i did
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> easy to fix
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> echo "ReggieUK was here!" > /pwned
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're magically not at fault
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[5:21] <ukscone> heh
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> well I suppose he still wouldn't be too happy, but at least you still get to use the pi
[5:22] <ukscone> i'll wake up early and pester liam. he is supposed to be revising so he won't bee using his
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't you be getting yours any day now anyway?
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[5:24] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: who knows it's all down to the whims of the gods i mean postman
[5:24] <ukscone> heh newark have a new system down page :)
[5:24] <ukscone> http://www.newark.com/
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[6:29] <SimonT> seems fine to me
[6:30] <SimonT> I guess traffic died down?
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[7:35] <Soul_Est> time for me to go dream of electric sheep. night everyone
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[7:51] <LogicGuy> chatting from my Raspberry Pi
[7:51] <LogicGuy> ^.^
[7:51] <LogicGuy> feels good man
[7:51] <mjr> :)
[7:51] <LogicGuy> I'm still starting to install some applications on it
[7:52] <LogicGuy> just finished installing Transmission
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[7:52] <blue_k> LogicGuy, how is it running? What OS are you using?
[7:52] <LogicGuy> Debian Squeeze
[7:52] <LogicGuy> scrolling is sluggish and there is no sound yet
[7:53] <LogicGuy> the CPU is at 100 % when you open applications and on intensive web sites
[7:53] <LogicGuy> i.e.: facebook
[7:53] <blue_k> What DE are you running?
[7:53] <LogicGuy> pi@raspberrypi:~$ uname -a
[7:53] <LogicGuy> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #84 Fri Apr 13 12:27:52 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[7:53] <LogicGuy> :)
[7:54] <LogicGuy> other than that
[7:54] <LogicGuy> everything seems fine
[7:54] <LogicGuy> I've been running it non-stop for 6 hours now
[7:54] <LogicGuy> and it hasn't frozen yet
[7:54] <blue_k> Are you using Gnome, Kde, Xfce? Or a windows manager like fluxbox, openbox, etc?
[7:55] <LogicGuy> Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment
[7:55] <LogicGuy> is the wallpaper I'm seeing
[7:55] <LogicGuy> so I guess that is it
[7:55] <LogicGuy> Short for "LDE"
[7:56] <blue_k> It's also known as LXDE. It should be quite light weight.
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[7:56] <LogicGuy> yeah, the CPU is only using 2 % when idle
[7:56] <blue_k> Although fluxbox, openbox, or dwm might be lighter.
[7:56] <blue_k> But with the cpu at 2%, it seems to be light enough for it.
[7:57] <LogicGuy> I think flash might never run correctly on it
[7:57] <LogicGuy> ever
[7:57] <LogicGuy> :D
[7:57] <LogicGuy> i386 and x64 are the only architectures supported I presume ?
[7:58] <blue_k> Hmmm, the BlackBerry PlayBook runs it, and I think it is ARM.
[7:58] <SpeedEvil> Flash is sort-of-available on ARM
[7:58] <Axman6> LogicGuy: flash runs on ARMv7 i believe (that's how it runs on android)
[7:58] <LogicGuy> hmm
[7:58] <LogicGuy> I expected that it would be faster
[7:59] <SpeedEvil> Flash does not [rovide end-user packages for arm.
[7:59] <LogicGuy> that's why I'm a bit dissapointed
[7:59] <LogicGuy> but I guess it's still alpha
[7:59] <LogicGuy> :)
[7:59] <SpeedEvil> They provide a flash adaption toolkit, for OEMs
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[7:59] <LogicGuy> cool
[7:59] <SpeedEvil> Or provided
[7:59] <LogicGuy> also
[7:59] <SpeedEvil> I think they've stopped
[8:00] <LogicGuy> when I touch the SoC CPU, it's maybe around 40-50 degrees Celsius
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> normal
[8:00] <blue_k> I hope HTML 5 really takes over as a replacement for Flash soon. Flash really is buggy.
[8:00] <LogicGuy> I wouldn't recommend putting it outside without proper fan ventillation
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> LogicGuy: it's fine
[8:00] * Mavy-bnc is now known as Mavy
[8:00] <LogicGuy> yeah, I guess :)
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> LogicGuy: as long as the environment is not >40C or so.
[8:01] <blue_k> LogicGuy, yeah it's fine. These things are designed to get quite hot.
[8:01] <SpeedEvil> Is the board near it also warm?
[8:01] <LogicGuy> no, it's only the CPU and the LAN controller when I touch them
[8:02] <LogicGuy> the LAn controller is abit cooler
[8:02] <LogicGuy> the board is cold
[8:02] <LogicGuy> I have a 5.1 Volt, 0.7 Ampere adapter
[8:02] <SpeedEvil> Odd.
[8:02] <LogicGuy> used to power it via USB
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[8:03] <SpeedEvil> Are there HR pics of the board anywhere?
[8:03] <LogicGuy> it's designed to go up to 5.25 Volts
[8:03] <LogicGuy> so the extra 0.1 volts is not a problem I think
[8:03] <LogicGuy> I can make one if you like
[8:03] <SpeedEvil> I want to see if the input regulator is the same as on the prototypes
[8:03] <SpeedEvil> IIRC it was rated as 6V ABS MAX input
[8:03] <_sundar_> does it have power regulator inbuilt?
[8:04] <SpeedEvil> yes
[8:04] <LogicGuy> yeah, there is one near the solid-state capacitor
[8:04] <SpeedEvil> There are about three IIRC
[8:05] <LogicGuy> yeah, I see another one near the GPIO pins
[8:05] <LogicGuy> a bit smaller
[8:05] <_sundar_> how much lead time does it take normally if we order it on element14?
[8:05] <SpeedEvil> _sundar_: I don't think that's been worked out yet
[8:05] <_sundar_> what about the SD card problems some people facing?
[8:06] <LogicGuy> _sundar_, I'm using Class 4 SDHC 4 GB
[8:06] <LogicGuy> but people sasy that it doesn't work with Class 10
[8:06] <LogicGuy> so you may have to get a class 8
[8:06] <LogicGuy> or lower
[8:06] <_sundar_> LogicGuy, i've heard the class is meant for digital cameras and has little or no improvement in read write speeds even if you use class 10
[8:07] <_sundar_> some cards of class6 outperform other brands of class10
[8:08] <LogicGuy> heheh
[8:08] <LogicGuy> I really like how it has a connector for a camera jumper cable
[8:08] <LogicGuy> you can use a cell phone camera that costs 2 $
[8:09] <LogicGuy> and connect it directly to it
[8:09] <LogicGuy> :D
[8:09] <LogicGuy> motion detection business
[8:09] <_sundar_> http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
[8:10] <SpeedEvil> LogicGuy: I don't think that's possible at the moment - the firmware for the GPU does not support it
[8:10] <_sundar_> actually this one was tested with OMAP based chipset, but the results on RPi should be comparable
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[8:10] <_sundar_> how do you connect a cell phone camera directly?
[8:12] <LogicGuy> there is a MIPI camera connector
[8:12] <LogicGuy> that some cell phones use
[8:12] <LogicGuy> to directly communicate with the CMOS
[8:13] <LogicGuy> and there appears to be a second jumper connector for flat-panel displays
[8:13] <SpeedEvil> See above comment
[8:14] <LogicGuy> then why did they put those 2 connectors there ?
[8:15] <SpeedEvil> Good question.
[8:15] <SpeedEvil> It may be that drivers will appear later
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[8:16] <LogicGuy> I just want to connect it with an Arduino
[8:16] <LogicGuy> using the GPIO ports
[8:17] <LogicGuy> and do some robotic magic :D
[8:18] <the_real_crimper> gross
[8:19] <LogicGuy> haters gonna hate
[8:19] <the_real_crimper> keep that arduino away from the pi
[8:19] <LogicGuy> how am I going to control my PWM driven servos then ?
[8:20] <the_real_crimper> another good question
[8:20] <_sundar_> i hope there is pwm support in the SoC
[8:21] <LogicGuy> the resolution of the analog inputs of the arduino is much better
[8:21] <_sundar_> atleast that is what the broadcom datasheet says
[8:21] <piless> LogicGuy: gertboard might be what you're looking for
[8:22] <LogicGuy> no way you can use an infrared range-finder with the Raspberry :D
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[8:22] <LogicGuy> piless, I'm interested in the pi, don't worry
[8:22] <LogicGuy> a lot of projects planned
[8:22] <piless> LogicGuy: the gertboard is an addon
[8:23] <piless> LogicGuy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411
[8:23] <LogicGuy> oh damn
[8:24] <LogicGuy> dat looks SWEET
[8:24] <LogicGuy> you already have the source files for it
[8:24] <LogicGuy> omg
[8:26] <LogicGuy> can you buy it ?
[8:27] * Mavy is now known as Mavy-bnc
[8:28] <piless> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp_PNI9Qo2k
[8:28] <M0RBD> LogicGuy: i belive so... but its DYI if I recall correctly.
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[8:29] <LogicGuy> I don't see where I can buy the components
[8:29] <LogicGuy> I can solder it, that's easy
[8:30] <piless> LogicGuy: I don't think it's been released yet
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[8:31] <LogicGuy> I plan on testing Arch Linux soon
[8:31] <LogicGuy> some guy managed to install AlsaMixer
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[8:37] <LogicGuy> nevermind
[8:37] <LogicGuy> I'm installing alsa as we speak
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[8:37] <LogicGuy> :P
[8:42] <LogicGuy> hey
[8:42] <LogicGuy> can you recommend me some packages to install ?
[8:50] <LogicGuy> brb
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[8:54] <dipstick> bah, when is the r-pi supposed start shipping the the US?
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[8:55] <LogicGuy> epic
[8:56] <LogicGuy> I have VNC running
[8:56] <LogicGuy> :D
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[8:59] <LogicGuy> nice DDoS
[8:59] <LogicGuy> derp derp
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[9:10] <M0RBD> I use Xvnc + xrdp
[9:10] <M0RBD> better compression on rdp
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[9:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[9:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
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[9:41] <piless> I don't understand why people go on irc for the weather forecast. Can't you just look out the window?
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[9:43] <smw> piless, but it is dark and cloudy outside. I can't see the weather
[9:44] <piless> smw: Stick your hand out then. If it comes back wet then you know it's raining
[9:45] <smw> piless, what if there is white stuff on it? Should I get my anti-fungal medication?
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[9:46] <piless> smw: It wouldn't hurt to be safe
[9:46] <smw> piless, agreed
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[9:46] <smw> this white stuff is cold though.
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[9:52] <piless> smw: Go to a&e
[9:54] <M0RBD> Whooping chough...
[9:54] <M0RBD> Atjsooooo
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[10:21] <aditsu> oh wow
[10:21] <aditsu> "For the shipping date, the newest information for your order is around early Sep., but we are always chasing the delivery date. If there is any updated, we will inform you and arrange shipping ASAP."
[10:23] <steve_rox> next shipment is september?
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[10:26] <RaYmAn> aditsu: when did you order?
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[10:26] <aditsu> RaYmAn: around 6:20 on the first day
[10:26] <RaYmAn> aditsu: farnell?
[10:27] <aditsu> yes element14
[10:27] <RaYmAn> It kind of sucks if the date has slipped and they haven't told people =P (latest update I got says early may)
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[10:31] <piless> aditsu: what time zone?
[10:34] <aditsu> piless: UTC+8
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[10:37] <piless> so about 7 hours after it was released?
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[10:39] <M0RBD> haha
[10:39] * M0RBD wonders whether some people will get their PI's before the end of the world (according to the Mayans).
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[10:41] <aditsu> piless: oh, if you meant the 6:20, that's in the "pi release" time zone (UTC?)
[10:41] <piless> utc+1
[10:41] <piless> Oh wait, it was utc 2 months ago
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[10:43] <aditsu> still, even for people ordering today it shouldn't take that long
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[11:19] <ARMadillo> Linux Armadillo 3.1.9-10+ #2 Fri Apr 6 01:51:47 UTC 2012 armv6l ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
[11:19] <ARMadillo> 10:17:56 up 1 day, 9:14, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[11:19] <Iota> Go Raspbery Pi, Go!
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[11:36] <haltdef_> Iota, http://russelldavis.org/RaspberryPi/rpi_bot_aup.txt
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[11:38] <Iota> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/modmypi-raspberry-pi-cases/#p65416
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[11:40] <Iota> Thanks, haltdef_. What would define a bot? My pi is just at home with irssi on. No AI/listening implemented on it.
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> To be a bot, it needs to respond in some way to channels
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> Or PMs
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> IMO
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[11:47] <M0RBD> 250k people apparently waiting for PIs at just RS alone..
[11:47] <M0RBD> lol
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
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[11:52] <huene> i want mine
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> I want yours too.
[11:53] <Flea86> lol
[11:53] <Flea86> And they say that greed is good :)
[11:54] <huene> i still haven't even ordered
[11:54] <huene> whenever i look, you can just "express your interest"
[11:54] <Flea86> Yeah got that too :-/
[11:55] <RaYmAn> huene: at least at farnell, they periodically send out more "invites" to order (even if deliverytime is uhm, far from now :P)
[11:55] <rm> I think I have expressed my interest 2 or 3 times on RS
[11:55] <rm> also on RS international and my local
[11:55] <rm> and a couple of times at Allied Electronics
[11:56] <RaYmAn> yeah, RS seems to wait until they actually have a board to send you before they send an invitation to buy it
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> I expressed my interest in Lidl. I think they were confused.
[11:57] <huene> yeah. what do you expect there ...
[11:58] * SpeedEvil looks at his Lidl chainsaw, DMM and blanket.
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[12:01] <piless> Lidl sell chainsaws?
[12:01] <piless> I thought they just did food.
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[12:02] <SpeedEvil> They - like Aldi - have weekly or biweekly special offers.
[12:02] <M0RBD> Heh
[12:02] <M0RBD> I bought a welder at Aldi
[12:02] <M0RBD> :D
[12:02] <M0RBD> 30 quid
[12:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> lidl is better than aldi
[12:02] <M0RBD> arc welder evn
[12:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_30348.htm - for example - if you've been having too many of the Pis.
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> You could make an add-on with a social media link.
[12:05] * Mavy is now known as Mavy-Lunch
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> 'You are exactly the same weight as elvis was, when he died on the toilet'.
[12:06] <M0RBD> haha..
[12:07] <M0RBD> SpeedEvil: did you know that's actually a not to uncommon way od dying
[12:07] <M0RBD> they basically press abit to hard which leads to brain hemorage..
[12:07] <M0RBD> :D
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> I hadn't actually reflected on it, but it seems logical.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> I wonder how many people have died while skydiving.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> - not at the end.
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[12:25] <M0RBD> hehe
[12:26] <M0RBD> If only Thomas Crapper would know how many people would die on his invention.
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[13:02] <esotera> re
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[13:14] <piless> re
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[13:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> er
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[13:18] <ARMadillo> er
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[13:20] <piless> ARMadillo: stfu bot
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[13:21] <ARMadillo> :(
[13:21] <ARMadillo> Meanie.
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[13:34] <Hexxeh> anyone know where i can find a handy list of ARMv6 instructions?
[13:34] <Hexxeh> like a cheat sheet, the opcode and what it does
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[13:37] <Drazyl> http://www.scss.tcd.ie/~waldroj/3d1/arm_arm.pdf any good?
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[13:42] <Hexxeh> Drazyl: looks good, thanks
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[14:00] <mkopack> Morning gang
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[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Morning
[14:01] <ARMadillo> Good afternoon from England.
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[14:02] * SpeedEvil has failed to come all the way to C0 today.
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[14:18] <Hexxeh> anyone know what this does, exactly?
[14:18] <Hexxeh> futex(0xbede3cc4, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 1, NULL, 44928000) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:18] <Hexxeh> every recent build of chrome segfaults just after it
[14:19] <Matt> morning
[14:19] <Matt> well the first thing is "what's a futex" :)
[14:19] <Matt> to which the answer apepars to be "fast userspace mutex"
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[14:22] <Matt> and given my concurrent programming is a little rusty :)
[14:22] <Matt> given I've not had much call to really touch it in 10 years
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[14:27] <Matt> now according to the manpage, EAGAIN FUTEX_CMP_REQUEUE found an unexpected futex value. (This probably indicates a race; use the safe FUTEX_WAKE now.)
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[14:28] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/T5K9f0Ty
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[14:31] * Matt shrugs
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[14:32] <M0RBD> ye
[14:32] <M0RBD> Doesn't the PI lack RTC
[14:33] <Hexxeh> i don't think it's related, since the same call appears in the strace of the working version too
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[14:36] <Hopsy> piless: can you help me with c++ ?
[14:37] <piless> me?
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[14:37] <Hopsy> why not?
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[14:39] <piless> no
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[14:41] <M0RBD> Hopsy: get a book from O'rly or ask Dr Google or Professor Wikipedia.
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[14:42] <normod> Mr StackOverflow is good too
[14:42] <M0RBD> normod: that's true.
[14:43] <M0RBD> How about Mrs Astalavista..
[14:45] <cjbaird> or Grandpa Archie..
[14:45] <Hopsy> how about Uncle freenode?
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[14:45] <cjbaird> The Creepy Uncle? No way!
[14:46] <Hopsy> or was it god?
[14:46] <M0RBD> Uncle freenode would not pass the crb check!
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[14:47] * M0RBD remembers Mr Gopher
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[14:48] <cjbaird> Uncle Freenode is the 50 year-old unmarried relative who buys women's magazines...
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[14:50] <M0RBD> cjbaird: scarey
[14:50] <M0RBD> -e
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[14:52] <Hopsy> lets say I am connected witch 2 connections, can I lead which connection I use?
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[14:59] <Da|Mummy> Hopsy: sure
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[15:00] <Hopsy> Da|Mummy: hooww :O
[15:02] <Da|Mummy> youre trying to use your wifi connection, while having a wired connection elsewhere to use to transfer files?
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[15:02] <Hopsy> Da|Mummy: indeed
[15:03] <Matt> Hopsy: are the the same subnet, or different subnets?
[15:03] <Da|Mummy> go into network manager
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[15:03] <Da|Mummy> go into configuration of the connection you want to use to transfer files
[15:03] <Hopsy> Da|Mummy: which OS ?
[15:03] <Matt> if they're the same subnet, things get intresting :)
[15:03] <Da|Mummy> linux....any network manager i guess
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[15:03] <Hopsy> ah
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[15:04] <Hopsy> I am now on my windows
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[15:04] <Da|Mummy> hmm, windows shouldnt even interfere, unless you are using the same subnet
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[15:05] <Da|Mummy> when i transfer files to my ps3, i can keep a wired connection to it, while wifi works on pc by default
[15:05] <Hopsy> Da|Mummy: can I select for example, connection 1 should be usen by firefox and connection 2 will be used by i dont know toreent or something
[15:05] <Da|Mummy> its on windows that is
[15:05] <Matt> you can't easily specify connection by application
[15:06] <Matt> you've gotta look at it from a network stack perspective
[15:06] <Hopsy> why not :(
[15:06] <Da|Mummy> i dunno about those ones...i dont use my wired connection for internet, just to transfer files over quickly
[15:06] <Matt> you can make routing decisions based on source/destination IP and source/destination port
[15:06] <Da|Mummy> if youre gonna have a wired connection, why would you want wifi to use at all though?
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[15:06] <Matt> in fact, even that's getting kinda involved
[15:07] <Hydrazine> hello
[15:07] <Matt> you can route based on destination IP, but switch between routing tables by iptables mark
[15:07] <Matt> and you can set iptables marks on anything iptables can filter on
[15:07] <Matt> which brings you back to ips and ports
[15:08] <Matt> or potentially protocols, if you start playing with l7filter
[15:09] <Da|Mummy> looking past the windows thing, id still be interested to know why youd wonna use a wifi connection if you have a wired connection
[15:09] <Matt> quite :)
[15:09] <Matt> unless of course they're on different subnets
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[15:09] <Matt> in which case things become a lot simpler :)
[15:10] <Matt> but the occasions in which you want to use both at the same time are prolly minimal
[15:10] <piless> Perhaps he keeps his ps3 in a different room than the router
[15:11] <Matt> piless: why would that make a difference? :)
[15:11] <Da|Mummy> apparently, he wants to use the wired connection for torrents, while using wifi to browse
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[15:11] <piless> Wait
[15:11] <piless> Yeah why the fuck
[15:11] <Matt> unless there are two internet connections here :)
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[15:12] <Matt> which isn't unreasonable
[15:12] <piless> Is he leeching off his neighbours wifi?
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[15:12] <Caver> the netbours hacked one?
[15:12] <Da|Mummy> maybe seeding torrents is slowing down his internet, so he wants to use another connection where its not being boggled down by the uploads
[15:12] <Da|Mummy> ?
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[15:12] <Matt> but it's a PITA to setup - just use a second machine :)
[15:12] <Matt> or a VM
[15:13] <piless> Da|Mummy: If torrent use is bogging down your network.. then don't use torrents..
[15:13] <piless> Just schedule it for 4am
[15:13] <Da|Mummy> or get usenet
[15:13] <piless> Hell even utorrent has scheduling built in.
[15:13] <piless> Da|Mummy: Usenet is so overrated
[15:13] <Caver> or rate limit them
[15:14] <piless> Da|Mummy: There's no way to determine what is quality on usenet. There's no way to sort the listings by popularity like you can with bittorrent
[15:15] <Da|Mummy> i have a way
[15:15] <Da|Mummy> no idea what youre talking about
[15:15] <piless> Da|Mummy: No you don't.
[15:15] <Da|Mummy> sure do
[15:16] <piless> Da|Mummy: It would be stupid of any binary portal to list download numbers
[15:16] <Da|Mummy> but it would be smart to know how/where to search
[15:16] <piless> Da|Mummy: Feel free to share this mysterious sorting method of yours
[15:17] <Da|Mummy> there is no sorting, i only find the right thing
[15:17] <piless> Ha
[15:17] <Da|Mummy> what would you like me to find for thee?
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[15:24] <mkopack> Ahhh inflight wifi
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[15:27] <ARMadillo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xFzVuxldqs
[15:27] <ARMadillo> Title: TEDxGranta -- Eben Upton -- Raspberry Pi
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[15:37] <mkopack> Any interesting new news in the world of Pi ?
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[15:39] <fALSO> do 2d drivers and sound drivers already exist ?
[15:39] <fALSO> or do they also need a CE seal ?
[15:39] <ARMadillo> The latest information I discovered was that one of the people designing a case found out the Pi didn't fit. So he's gone back to the workbench to modify it.
[15:39] <ARMadillo> I want a case. :(
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[15:40] <ukscone> morning all
[15:40] <ARMadillo> Good morning, ukscone.
[15:41] <ukscone> morning ARMadillo
[15:41] <mkopack> FALSO, drivers are already there... Have nothing to do with ce cert...
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[15:41] <mkopack> Hey uk scone
[15:41] <fALSO> they just need to : work
[15:41] <IT_Sean> hey ukscone
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[15:41] <mkopack> 2d and 3d already do... X just isn't using them yet
[15:42] <fALSO> thats very usable
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[15:43] <mkopack> So much for watching Liam's new video... Stupid in flight wifi can't handle YouTube
[15:43] <ARMadillo> :(
[15:43] <ARMadillo> Does 3G/4G mobile data work in an aircraft ~40,000ft?
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[15:44] <Kolin> thats not surprising
[15:44] <fALSO> i wonder how did they run the quake 3 demo
[15:44] <mkopack> No
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[15:44] <fALSO> if X doesnt make use of 2d or 3d drivers
[15:44] <IT_Sean> ARMadillo: Not really.
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[15:44] <IT_Sean> It tower hops too quickly to be useful
[15:44] <Kolin> they didnt run quake3 in x fALSO
[15:44] <fALSO> FB ?
[15:44] <IT_Sean> IF you can even get a signal at all
[15:44] <mkopack> You change from one cell to another too quickly for it to handle the handoff... Plus the FAA would have a shit fit if they found out...
[15:45] <phantoxe> there's a problem with X them? LOL
[15:45] <mkopack> X works fine. It just isn't 2d accelerated... Purely software driven frame buffer
[15:45] <ARMadillo> My phone works at ~15,000ft. :P But didn't know about commerical planes.
[15:46] <fALSO> lol
[15:46] <mkopack> Anything like quake or xmbc basically need to run outside of X to work
[15:46] <IT_Sean> Commerical airliners fly too high and too fast for you to get a stable signal, ARMadillo
[15:46] <fALSO> LOL
[15:46] <fALSO> that REALLLLLLY usefull
[15:46] <ARMadillo> Cheers.
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[15:47] <mkopack> FALSO??? Whats the problem? Given how limited the RAM is on this tang, do you really think its a good idea to waste resources on X when you are trying to run XMBC or a game like Quake???
[15:47] <piless> How many bloody reggies do we need?
[15:47] <mkopack> Tang = thing.... Stupid autocorrect
[15:48] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:48] <fALSO> well, the main marketing HYPE is to help children to program
[15:48] <IT_Sean> The difference between the American & Chineese space programs: In the Chinese space program, Tang is one of the astronauts.
[15:48] <mkopack> (although one of the flight attendants on this flight is a pretty nice piece of tang ;) )
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[15:48] <fALSO> im not seeing children using X without at least 2d acceleration
[15:48] <fALSO> every scroll, etc
[15:49] <fALSO> will be UBER slow
[15:49] <fALSO> well... but thats just me
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[15:49] <ukscone> mkopack: keep it clean :)
[15:49] <fALSO> i tought that the drivers were ready... after all the delays
[15:49] <mkopack> Falso: one - it's not THAT slow, and 2 itll come... It just needs some work to get it working...
[15:49] <piless> Fuck x
[15:49] <ukscone> mkopack: i wouldn't want to have to kick you :)
[15:49] <ukscone> piless: language
[15:50] <phantoxe> LOL
[15:50] <phantoxe> in the year 3000
[15:50] <piless> Sorry mum
[15:50] <phantoxe> yeah
[15:50] <fALSO> lol :-P phantoxe
[15:50] <ukscone> piless: i had a bad night so i'm grumpy today and have an itchy kick fingr
[15:50] <fALSO> dont worry
[15:51] <phantoxe> remember: there should be a lot of children programming on R-PI in the channel
[15:51] <phantoxe> be happy
[15:51] <fALSO> piless will port every app to run on Framebufffer
[15:51] <fALSO> instead of X
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[15:51] <mkopack> Nah, already seeing folks trying to organize to do the work... Gotta remember, there haven't been many peeps with these things up until this week...
[15:51] * Reggie__ is now known as ReggieUK
[15:52] <mkopack> (of course, then I also have the flight attendant that looks old enough to be my grandmother, with 1 foot in the grave...)
[15:52] <piless> mkopack: And all the people who do have them ask so many stupid questions I want to kick the *%?! out of them
[15:53] <fALSO> piless, start porting every emulator to run in FB
[15:53] * Hydrazine starts asking stupid questions
[15:53] <fALSO> because X sucks :-P
[15:53] <piless> RIP Victor Meldrew
[15:53] <mkopack> There was this amazing hottie at the security screening checkpoint this morning... Omg amazing bod.
[15:53] <mkopack> Piless??? Who's that?
[15:54] <Hourd> mkopack: oh aye?
[15:54] <piless> mkopack: Yeah but she was probably put off once she saw your lack of manhood on the scanner
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[15:54] <mkopack> Yeah. One thing I love about living in Atlanta, there are always tons of hot women at the airport... Lots of business travelers
[15:54] <piless> mkopack: Characher on a tv show called one foot in the grave
[15:54] <piless> *character
[15:54] <LeGyEs> Hi, greetings from Hungary :)
[15:54] <Hourd> mkopack: were you hoping to be searched?
[15:55] <mkopack> She was about 5'2", big rack, nice legs in the skirt... Yum!
[15:55] <mkopack> Married though... Figures
[15:55] <shirro> too short
[15:55] <mkopack> Not for me!
[15:55] <Hourd> perfect height ;)
[15:55] <piless> big tits are overrated
[15:56] <Iota> We need a raspberry pi demoscene.
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[15:56] <mkopack> Lol
[15:56] <shirro> Iota: agreed
[15:56] <piless> I love some tiny titties
[15:56] <Iota> :D
[15:56] <ReggieUK> piless, sort it out dude
[15:56] <ukscone> oy vey
[15:56] <piless> Although in australia its illegal to have small boobs
[15:56] <ctyler> ukscone: how much space do you need?
[15:56] <shirro> piless: sadly true
[15:56] <ukscone> you are like a bunch of little kids when there is a substitute teacher (or the teacher leaves the room) aren't you
[15:57] <Veryevil> PG13 Rated Channel?
[15:57] <piless> ukscone: he started it!
[15:57] <Hydrazine> hehe
[15:57] <ReggieUK> and ukscone can finish it if you like?
[15:57] <mkopack> Damn ups teased me yesterday... Got home and there was a package on my porch, but it turned out to be something I ordered from mycokerewards... Argh!
[15:57] <ukscone> ctyler: just enough to install wxwidgets and sdl to double check pterm
[15:57] <Hydrazine> and always blaming the other :P
[15:57] <ReggieUK> or would you like to go and stand outside the headmasters office all afternoon?
[15:57] <ukscone> ctyler: but no hurry it's not an important program
[15:57] <shirro> someone youtube some ray marching with catchy chiptunes running on a Pi. Please
[15:57] <piless> Do people still use wxwidgets?
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[15:58] <ctyler> ukscone: so... that's how much?
[15:58] <shirro> piless: heaps. it is cross platform and isn't qt
[15:58] <ukscone> ctyler: it said it was short 94meg iirc
[15:58] <piless> shirro: Yeah but it doesn't look native on anything
[15:59] <shirro> piless: it is ugly and lacking in features but I think is probably used for lots of lab/business software we never see
[15:59] <ctyler> ukscone: 258M free
[15:59] <piless> shirro: Pack of lies. Don't trust the private sector.
[15:59] <ukscone> ctyler: ok give me a few and i'll be in and out in about 10 mins
[16:00] <shirro> wx is better than tk or motif
[16:00] <shirro> fltk is another one of those rare tookits
[16:01] <ukscone> i need to get a newer fltk than is in the repos workign so i can compile virtualt but atm it's playing silly buggers
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[16:02] <cjbaird> Bah @ 'demoscene' .. The console homebrew scene never gets serious because it also has the sort of people who wanna be known online with EliteCr3wNamez.. Whereas the developer community that prefer real names (i.e: Linux, FOSS, ..) actually get decent stuff done.
[16:03] <piless> cjbaird: Real names??? Referencing the foss in every project name is so incredibly cheap
[16:04] <piless> libre office??? Such a horrible name.
[16:04] <piless> GIMP.. Ugh
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[16:06] <Hexxeh> ugh
[16:06] <Hexxeh> chrome debug builds are so big
[16:06] <BenO> Heh, what a msg to join to
[16:07] <Hexxeh> you know it's bad when your binary is over 1GB
[16:07] <BenO> Wha??!
[16:07] <Hexxeh> yeah
[16:07] <Hexxeh> that's how big a debug build of chrome is
[16:07] <BenO> Wow, unstripped, etc?
[16:07] <Hexxeh> yeah
[16:07] <Hexxeh> stripped is about 50MB
[16:07] <BenO> Crazy
[16:07] <Caver> have they hit the can't be compiled in less than 3Gb of ram problem yet?
[16:07] <shirro> sstrip it, sstrip it good
[16:08] <Hexxeh> yes Caver
[16:08] <Hexxeh> shirro: can't, need symbols for debugging
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[16:08] <Caver> well remember your modern browsers is basically a entire OS in itself
[16:08] <shirro> keep them elsewhere
[16:08] <mkopack> Wow... 50mb -->1 gb is a LOT of add ons!!!
[16:08] <chronofast> is that with the new interface?
[16:08] <Hexxeh> that's a GYP_DEFINES=chromeos=1 build
[16:09] <Hexxeh> but the symbols for most of the chromeos stuff are actually in a separate lib
[16:09] <shirro> can't you cut a lot of stuff out of the build. stuff nobody uses. like webgl
[16:09] <Hexxeh> i'm actually hoping to make use of webgl
[16:09] <chronofast> love webgl
[16:09] <Hexxeh> until we have X11 accel and people can pick and choose their WM
[16:09] <Hexxeh> it might be a good way to get accelerated 3d easily
[16:10] <Hexxeh> native client is probably a no-go though sadly
[16:10] <Hexxeh> relies on armv7 stuff iirc
[16:11] <BenO> A shame, but not unexpected I guess
[16:11] <Caver> hehe webgl maps don't even work on my desktop linux
[16:11] <chronofast> does your new build have Aura?
[16:11] <Caver> I'm not too hopeful they will come to the Pi too fast
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[16:11] <Hexxeh> chronofast: no, getting issues running modern builds of chromium
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[16:11] <Hexxeh> i've gotten an older version running though, albeit with javascript issues
[16:11] <Hexxeh> i know why the JS issues are there though, forgot to setup SConstruct for v8
[16:12] <Hexxeh> but really it's kinda useless getting older versions running
[16:12] <Hexxeh> also
[16:12] <Hexxeh> i won't be making an aura image
[16:12] <chronofast> I just don't see a reason for it, if you want a full desktop run linux, if you want a browser kiosk run chrome os, why blur the lines?
[16:12] <Hexxeh> it takes a bit of extra oomph to power that UI
[16:12] <Hexxeh> so we'll stick with non-aura for now
[16:13] <BenO> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cover-with-dev-area-p-1071.html Oooo now that's interesting
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[16:13] <Hexxeh> though just for the crack the build i'm working on is an aura build
[16:13] <Hexxeh> mostly just because it's easier to work with ToT :P
[16:13] <BenO> Be worth the money if they throw in a cable that is presplit to sit across the breadboard
[16:13] <Caver> Beno: very nice!
[16:13] <chronofast> BenO love that
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[16:14] <LogicGuy> did you guys all get your raspberries yet ?
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[16:14] <Caver> did I mention I got my very 1st blinking led working with the GPIO port the other night?
[16:14] <BenO> Some have, many haven't yet - bit of a crapshoot
[16:14] <shirro> BenO: nice find. I want one
[16:14] <Hexxeh> i still wanna get a chrome case custom made
[16:14] <Hexxeh> that'd be awesome
[16:14] <BenO> Caver, Congrats :)
[16:14] <Hexxeh> if anyone knows somebody who can design and make that for me, do let me know
[16:15] <BenO> Hexxeh, an aluminum unibody for it? ;)
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[16:16] <LogicGuy> Caver, that's very nice
[16:16] <mkopack> Gonna be hitting the 10k ft auto cut off for Internet access soon...
[16:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> good?
[16:17] <mkopack> GonnA be a long day.... More stupid design meetings this afternoon
[16:17] <LogicGuy> mkopack, ADSL you mean ?
[16:17] <mkopack> Nah. I'm on a plane right now...
[16:17] <LogicGuy> lol
[16:17] <LogicGuy> that's cool
[16:17] <mkopack> We're descending into Philly, so they will be cutting off the inflight wifi soon
[16:17] <Caver> ahh
[16:18] <BenO> They don't want to disturb the magic sprites that help with the landing - the wifi frazzles their hair
[16:18] <mkopack> Yeah I know.l. It's retarded
[16:18] <Caver> lol ... more like the automatic landing system
[16:19] <Caver> sadly the frequencies were chosen *way* before WiFi and mobiles came along
[16:19] <mkopack> If my iPad, back in row 23 can actually cause that sort of issue with the ALS, then I don't think I want to get on the plane in the first place!
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[16:19] <LogicGuy> I really don't have a clue why they make you disable your WiFi
[16:19] <LogicGuy> WiFi is so, so far from the frequencies they use for radio
[16:19] <Drazyl> just in case
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[16:19] <BenO> Same reason the TSA do the things they do, just in case
[16:19] <Caver> not so much just in case, it *actively* interfears with the automatic landing system
[16:20] <mkopack> It's more about being inside the 10k ft "danger" zone, where the flight attendants want to be able to get your attention in an emergency
[16:20] <Caver> they *know* if someone left theirs on, as the ALS will disengage!
[16:20] <mkopack> But frickin, if people can be reading books and have earplugs in during that 10k ft, why can't I be reading on my iPad during that time, or have music on earphones?
[16:21] <Caver> because your not landing
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[16:21] <Caver> landing = 2 analogue signals it basically looks for the peek waveform on
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[16:21] <Caver> your wifi - big radio TX inside a big metal tube
[16:21] <Caver> the 2 do not mix!
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[16:22] <mkopack> Yeah, it rides the cross beams
[16:22] <Hexxeh> the number of people i've known where they've accidentally left their phone on in their bag and it hasn't had jack shit difference makes me skeptical
[16:22] <mkopack> Hexes agreed...
[16:22] <BenO> Random find while googling: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0055038.html patent on "AUTONOMOUS AND AUTOMATIC LANDING SYSTEM FOR DRONES"
[16:22] <mkopack> But I swear, the day they start allowing cell phone calls while in flight... That's the day I stop flying...
[16:23] <Caver> Hexxeh, it would depend if your phone transmitted or not
[16:23] <Hexxeh> agreed mkopack
[16:23] <Hexxeh> calls are a definite no-no, but data, sure, that'd make flying more bearable
[16:23] <mkopack> Because there WILL be fights on planes when that happens
[16:23] <mkopack> Ok, bye bye network. Later gang!
[16:23] <Caver> but it's a risk ... sometimes the pilot can take over the landing, sometimes they have to abort and fly around and thats expensive
[16:23] <Hexxeh> seeyah
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[16:24] <LogicGuy> lol @ automatic landing
[16:24] <LogicGuy> you guys are serious about that ?
[16:24] <LogicGuy> the pilot is the one that lands the plane
[16:24] <LogicGuy> not the autopilot
[16:24] <LogicGuy> autopilot is on only during cruise
[16:24] <LogicGuy> and ascend/descend
[16:24] <LogicGuy> jeez
[16:24] <DDave> ILS ?
[16:24] <DDave> :p
[16:24] <DDave> well its not 100% automatic
[16:25] <DDave> but almost :p
[16:25] <Caver> LogicGuy, yup .. on the bigger airports they mainly do them, as it's faster
[16:25] <Caver> Heathrow especially
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[16:25] <LogicGuy> no, you still need to control throttle
[16:25] <BenO> LogicGuy, Give me ALS over a pilot anyday! (I worked at a pilot training training school - the bangs and thuds the sims made during crashes... made me want to avoid flying forever! ;))
[16:26] <Caver> heathrow is prone to fog, and ILS lets them land in it safely
[16:26] <LogicGuy> there wasn't any ILS system in Cuba
[16:26] <LogicGuy> the pilot was so shitty
[16:27] <LogicGuy> the wings were moving from left to right
[16:27] <LogicGuy> hahaha
[16:27] <LogicGuy> maybe cross-wind or something
[16:27] <LogicGuy> should not judge
[16:27] <DDave> maybe he was wasted?
[16:27] <DDave> Seems to be common in pilots :D
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[16:27] <LogicGuy> don't they give them champagne like they do for us ? :D
[16:28] <Caver> ahahah
[16:28] <DDave> im sure they bring their own booze into the cockpit :D
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[16:28] <DDave> maybe they even got an illegal ring at the different airports for booze
[16:28] <DDave> who knows.. :D
[16:28] <Caver> I can never remember, is it you can't drink 6 hours before getting on the plane, or 6 ft from the plane?
[16:28] <DDave> loooool no idea
[16:28] <DDave> Last time I flew they only mentioned "bla bla bla according to portuguese law.. bla blabla alcohol drinks are restricted"
[16:28] <Drazyl> Caver: sounds like a challenge
[16:29] <LogicGuy> I don't know, but for 95 % of the flight, you have absolutely nothing to do
[16:29] <LogicGuy> as the autopilot is following the GPS and everything
[16:29] <LogicGuy> I don't know what they do during that time
[16:29] <DDave> play chess? :D
[16:29] <DDave> Sleep? LOL
[16:29] <Caver> they say it's bad for *both* pilots to been seen at the bar
[16:30] <LogicGuy> lool
[16:30] <Caver> makes the passengers upset :P
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[16:30] <Drazyl> only because pilots never buy a round
[16:30] <Caver> LOL
[16:31] <LogicGuy> ^.^
[16:31] <LogicGuy> actually, I guess they monitor the weather conditions
[16:31] <Caver> and the engines
[16:31] <LogicGuy> and change the course depending if the radar shows rain
[16:31] <Caver> check if they fell off
[16:31] <LogicGuy> haha
[16:32] <DDave> Well thats why you file a flightplan :p
[16:32] <Drazyl> don;t want the plane to shrink in the rain
[16:32] <Caver> not to mention anything like a flock of birds
[16:32] <DDave> o yeah! their primary goal is to hit birds :D
[16:32] <LogicGuy> birds strike at 10 000 feeet
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[16:32] <DDave> HEADSHOOOOT!
[16:32] <LogicGuy> awww yeeeah
[16:32] <BenO> They get a new star on their cap for each bird species they kill off
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[16:33] <DDave> Well LogicGuy, what do you do when you drive 500km on the same stretch of highway?
[16:33] <LogicGuy> listen to the radio ?
[16:33] <DDave> I tend to listen to music & talk with zee passengers
[16:33] <DDave> See, they do the same :D
[16:33] <DDave> Its just a different radio LOL
[16:33] <Caver> mile high club?
[16:33] <DDave> I thought about that, went to check out the bathroom
[16:33] <DDave> sweet jesus, I couldntstand straight.
[16:34] <DDave> (Fokker 100)
[16:34] <DDave> No way you could have sex there :p
[16:34] <BenO> The people in the mile high club should be congratulated on their flexibility and pain-tolerance
[16:34] <LogicGuy> lool
[16:34] <Caver> or just into BDSM
[16:34] <DDave> :p
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[16:35] <BenO> It's either air korea or Malaysia that can give a double bed suite in their a380s...
[16:35] <BenO> or was it air france
[16:35] <DDave> I never understood how you manage to have sex in a plane
[16:35] <Caver> anyway *ahem* back to PG13
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[16:35] <DDave> Like... wont people notice if 2 people walk into the bathroom at the same time?
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[16:35] <Caver> a double ... lol does it come with straps for landings?
[16:35] <LogicGuy> yes
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[16:35] <LogicGuy> so what, DDave ?
[16:36] <DDave> Well wouldnt the air hostess (whatever their title is) come and make life hell?
[16:36] <BenO> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mv62kzxYqM&feature=youtube_gdata <-- turn volume off before opening - making a double bed on singapore airlines
[16:36] <BenO> 1.40ish is where you get to see it
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[16:37] <Caver> sweet ... ok thats it, I want one of those next time I fly
[16:37] <LogicGuy> I'm on the Pi
[16:37] <LogicGuy> no flash
[16:37] <LogicGuy> BeholdMyGlory,
[16:37] <LogicGuy> BenO,
[16:37] <LogicGuy> :PP
[16:37] <DDave> same here!
[16:37] <LogicGuy> only sweet Xchat
[16:37] <LogicGuy> and VNC action
[16:38] <BenO> LogicGuy, no flash? Ah go on - everyone loves a bit of Flash - AAAAA saviour of the universe!
[16:38] <LogicGuy> heh
[16:38] <Caver> sudo apt-get install gnash ... :)
[16:38] <DDave> sudo apt-get install girlfriend
[16:38] <DDave> :D
[16:39] <Caver> ahaha
[16:39] <DDave> I should make a package called girlfriend..
[16:39] <BenO> man girlfriend
[16:39] <DDave> :D
[16:39] <BenO> man mount
[16:39] <DDave> The program would interrupt at random intervals
[16:39] <DDave> and ask you silly questions :D
[16:39] <Caver> mount giirlfriend
[16:39] <BenO> Permission denied
[16:39] <Caver> mount: can't find girfriend in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[16:39] <DDave> or a software called "ku"
[16:39] <DDave> sudo ku
[16:39] <DDave> :D
[16:40] <Caver> come on linux ... it's in there somewhere ....
[16:40] <BenO> http://www.broowaha.com/articles/2748/upgrading-to-wife-23-after-reinstalling-wife-22
[16:42] <Hexxeh> oh dear.
[16:42] <Hexxeh> can't even run a debug build of chrome
[16:42] <Hexxeh> "out of memory and no killable processes"
[16:42] <Drazyl> pah, there's ALWAYS killable processes
[16:42] <Caver> a debug one? lol no chance
[16:43] <Caver> you could add a USB <> SATA thing and put a hard disk on with swap
[16:43] <Caver> but even then I wouldn't fancy it!
[16:43] <Hexxeh> might need to go the swap route, yeah
[16:43] <Hexxeh> it'll be blow
[16:43] <Hexxeh> *slow
[16:43] <Hexxeh> but the crash is super early on, so it might be bearable
[16:43] <vgrade1> Hexxeh, you could reduce the ram the gpu is taking
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[16:44] <vgrade1> might give you the space
[16:44] <BenO> The binary is 1Gb after all
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[16:46] <Caver> debug builds are always a lot bigger anyway
[16:46] <Caver> so you want it as a debug build for a reason, or can you strip it?
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[16:46] <shirro> is it compiled with -Os
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[16:48] <Caver> am I being childish when I laugh at typing "man strip"
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[16:48] <Drazyl> yes, but it's understandable
[16:48] <shirro> apt-get install funny-manpages
[16:49] <LogicGuy> lol
[16:50] <Caver> sudo apt-get install fortunes-off
[16:50] <Hexxeh> vgrade1: already did that
[16:50] <Caver> then fortune -o
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[16:51] <BenO> Caver, a little. But then again, I installed a app called l?ve - 2d gamemaking environment in lua. To find details of that, you must type in "man love"
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[16:52] <Caver> lol
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[16:52] * Caver apt-cache searches for brolove
[16:52] <BenO> Got it sort of working too, but the repo version is hopelessly old and borked
[16:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.designspark.com/knowledge/orders-raspberry-pi-your-questions-answered
[16:53] <BenO> Anyone considering making a debian sid image?
[16:54] <shirro> the debian hardfloat that is under construction is wheezy
[16:54] <Caver> always the problem with debian - lots of software but never exactly the latest and greatest
[16:54] <shirro> Caver: I have a friend called sid who disagrees
[16:54] <chronofast> If anyone hasn't seen yet: http://blog.tomg.co/post/21322413373/how-to-install-node-js-on-your-raspberry-pi
[16:54] <Caver> groans
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[16:55] <Caver> if you see sid ... tell him
[16:55] <Caver> (for those old and british enough :P )
[16:55] <Drazyl> :)
[16:55] <BenO> chronofast, saw it in my twitter feed. Rolled my eyes...
[16:56] <BenO> At least people aren't trying to get tomcat running on it ;)
[16:57] <Caver> *yet*
[16:57] <BenO> True, I did jinx it by saying it
[16:57] <shirro> node should be ok on the Pi. it made it into webos
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[16:59] <Caver> oh the other hand ... even if it is *slow* as hell, why shouldn't people give it a go
[16:59] <Caver> *on
[16:59] <BenO> I really need to write some stuff down, rather than try new things on this - almost got sucked into seeing how well nginx runs on it
[16:59] <shirro> v8 isn't exactly slow.
[16:59] <Caver> BenO what have you done go far?
[17:00] <SocksG> What's the best demo of the raspberry pi?
[17:00] <BenO> Caver, explored the murky reaches of ALSA
[17:01] <BenO> although I must admit, I haven't seen that many indepth posts about what to expect of a Pi - I can't think of one good one off the top of my head
[17:01] <Caver> demo?
[17:01] <BenO> (one that I've seen, not one that exists)
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[17:01] <SocksG> Caver: If I take mine into work, what should I show people?
[17:01] <Caver> aha ... yes I've not played with the media / sound part of it at all yet
[17:01] <Caver> Quake3?
[17:01] <SocksG> So far, I've installed an irc client :-)
[17:01] <Caver> depends ... what do they do for a living?
[17:02] <SocksG> Depends which work :-)
[17:02] <Caver> run through the python game demo's perhaps
[17:02] <BenO> SocksG, people <3 the Quake3 demo, but it's quite disingenuous as it mainly flexes the shiny Open GL ES part and not the CPU
[17:02] <BenO> SocksG, what work? school? geeky office?...
[17:02] <SocksG> Sorry, was just thinking how best to explain
[17:03] <SocksG> I'm seconded part time at the moment
[17:03] <SocksG> So I have two jobs
[17:03] <Caver> my fave trick so far, was to keep it in a ciggy box
[17:03] <Caver> people can't believe how small it is
[17:03] <SocksG> I'm working in a University's IT Services department
[17:04] <SocksG> Also How should I demo it to my 4 and 5.5 year old sons.
[17:04] <SocksG> Where is the Quake demo?
[17:04] <BenO> SocksG, Then for Uni IT - show the GPIO/SPI/UART pins even if you can't demo it
[17:04] <shirro> SocksG: As long as you don't run a web browser most things probably won't run too bad. Play a HD h264 movie trailer with the demo player that uses the hardware accceleration
[17:04] <Caver> yeah for Uni, get a bit of wire, and demo reading the GPIO0 port from the command line
[17:05] <Caver> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/please-explain-gpio-like-im-five/#p65725
[17:05] <BenO> SocksG, I would suggest Scratch or python games - PyGame. I don't think the Scratch port is ready yet though
[17:06] <BenO> Let them change things, get into it
[17:06] <SocksG> Cheers - I'll play tonight and maybe let them play tomorrow. Unless I just hog it to myself.
[17:06] <BenO> There's a great book for parent and child called "Hello World" by Sande and Sande (father + son)
[17:06] <shirro> Scratch wouldn't be as much fun with broken alsa. my 4yo likes the sounds.
[17:06] <BenO> shirro, true, that's one of the main reasons why I am so keen to get it working
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[17:07] <BenO> shirro, I dearly want this to be something for 8 yr olds to pick up and play with, and not have to worry about ALSA, etc
[17:07] <SocksG> BenO++
[17:07] <Caver> it was interesting showing it to my dad
[17:07] <Caver> who is a retired history teacher
[17:08] <Caver> he immediately got the plus side of being able to hand out 30 SD cards to the kids, with a lesson plan all ready to go
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> i do question how many of them you'd get back
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[17:09] <Caver> LOL ... have kids changed that much? wasn't a problem in my day
[17:10] <BenO> Hexxeh, nothing says take me like a teacher asking for pupils to give tech back at the end of a lesson
[17:10] <BenO> However, most people aren't jerks and would give them back I think
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[17:12] <BenO> wcchandler, I heard back from Liz - all distro img quirks (like the perl locale warning, etc) are to be posted on the forum under the right distro. I'm not sure that's a great way to bug track, but that's the message
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[17:15] <BenO> Is it worth someone (ie me) doing a 'what to expect when you boot up your Pi' post? Or just editing the Basic Startup guide on the wiki?
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[17:18] <wcchandler> BenO: joy :) nothing says stability like a bugtracker on wordpress forums
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[17:19] <BenO> http://h2g2.com/A9143796 <-- is this talking about the fedora distro?
[17:20] <BenO> Also on their "Peripherals you'll need" article http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/A13413584 they recommend Kingston SD cards! Argh! Never had joy with them.
[17:21] <BenO> wcchandler, I know, right? Well, I don't want to be the bad man who fills up their forum with threads on niggles and issues.... but someone has to
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[17:24] * wcchandler *nods* mm-hmm
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[17:25] <wcchandler> I got a reply from Michael that they're looking to set up a bugtracker
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[17:28] <SpeedEvil> I have viruses on my raspberrys.
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[17:29] <BenO> SpeedEvil, you should see a doctor about that
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[17:30] <Caver> sudo apt-get install clamav :P
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[17:31] <SpeedEvil> Alas - it's uncurable, I need to dig up and burn them
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[17:35] <BenO> blight?
[17:35] <Iota> https://vimeo.com/40192433
[17:35] <Iota> Moleman 2 - Demoscene - The Art of the Algorithms (2012)
[17:35] <Iota> Fantastic documentary if you get the time.
[17:35] * BenO has reached the end of his garderning knowledge
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[17:42] <BenO> Nothing has blight, just a bad time to join the channel :)
[17:42] <HoppinJohn> lol... i interpreted it as a gardening prob :)
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[17:46] <BenO> Are there any big pkgs in the default debian img that I can hose? Needing some space but need to keep X and Lxde
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[17:48] <Plnt> BenO: maybe wipe out /usr/share/doc/ :)
[17:48] <BenO> n
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[17:48] <BenO> wc sorry
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[17:49] <BenO> Hmm will take a look to see what docs live on this
[17:49] <BenO> 88M
[17:49] <BenO> Done. Aiming "rm -rf" now
[17:50] <Plnt> poor doc ;)
[17:50] <Iota> New Indie Royale: http://www.indieroyale.com/
[17:50] <BenO> Yay 93Mb of free space left ;)
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[17:51] <BenO> There's a Haskell binding for SDL?!
[17:51] <selsinork> there's probably a ton of stuff under /usr/share/locale just keep whatever languages you need :)
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[17:52] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/do-anyone-from-germany-got-his-rpi/page-2#p66183
[17:52] <zgreg> wtf
[17:52] <zgreg> people that ordered way later than me already got a raspberry pi?
[17:52] <zgreg> this is messed up and quite unfair
[17:53] <aditsu> heh, all those quake3 demos for the pi made me wanna play it too
[17:53] <aditsu> I found quake3 is not free though, so I installed openarena
[17:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> I dont think anyone who ordered before 8:13 UTC on teh 29th have got one yet
[17:54] <BenO> aditsu, There's also Tremulous and a few other clones too IIRC :)
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[17:54] <BenO> I ordered at about 7am UK time on launch day
[17:55] <aditsu> anyway, it was quite fun, almost lost track of time
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[17:55] <aditsu> BenO: I ordered at about 6:20, and element14 told me today that they estimate to ship in early Sep
[17:56] <zgreg> sigh
[17:56] <BenO> aditsu, :( sorry to hear that
[17:56] <zgreg> so they don't even follow a first-come first-serve order :(
[17:56] <zgreg> I feel kind of betrayed
[17:56] <BenO> I think they are tackling orders as fast as they can retrieve them from the smoking carcass of their old servers
[17:56] <aditsu> it makes me wanna frag them :p
[17:57] <ukscone> element14 also seem to have done an exra delay to do their own certs
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ I ment after 8:13 - stupid fingers
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[17:57] <zgreg> so, really, all that trouble of waking up early and desperately trying to submit an order was... for nothing
[17:57] <passstab> lol i'm calling allied
[17:58] <urs> zgreg: well at least those who ordered one hour later (I ordered at 9:52 utc) haven't even got a shipping date assigned
[17:58] <aditsu> I wonder if it depends on the country
[17:58] <zgreg> well, farnell germany at least seems to have messed up completely
[17:58] <ukscone> tryiong to find the url from yesterday but they said they had done rohs and weee and a load of other not needed tests
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[17:58] <ukscone> i.e. a delaying tactic as they hadn't bothered to build them yet
[17:59] <passstab> she's confused about why i'm ordering a raspberry pie from an electronics company
[18:00] <Soul_Est> looks like i'll have to wait to order mine until all this settles down. morning everyone. o/
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[18:00] <aditsu> passstab: who?
[18:01] <passstab> the person at the call center
[18:01] <aditsu> wow, she works for them and doesn't know about the pi? she should be fired :p
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[18:01] <ukscone> http://www.element14.com/community/community/legislation/other/blog/2012/04/17/the-pi-is-now-ready
[18:01] <mozzwald> i ordered from element14 about 4 hours after release time in US and mines out for delivery today
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[18:02] <zgreg> I hope farnell/element14 tries to "fixes" the first-come first-serve problem with the remaining pis
[18:02] <ukscone> mozzwald: you'll have one before me -- ordered from newark 5 mins after start and it's saying aug15th i have a 150xxx conf number
[18:02] <Hexxeh> sweet
[18:03] <passstab> yea i assumed she would be annoyed by the number of individuals calling now
[18:03] <Hexxeh> my SD cards arrived today
[18:03] <Hexxeh> i can setup my spare pi for remote folks to try things on now
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[18:03] <zgreg> I guess I'll give farnell a call tomorrow
[18:04] <mozzwald> ukscone: they musta screwed up the order or orders then
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[18:04] * aditsu automatically goes to choke Hexxeh after seeing "spare pi"
[18:04] <zgreg> mozzwald: I wonder how that is possible
[18:04] <mozzwald> *order of orders
[18:04] <Hexxeh> oh for gods sake...
[18:04] <Hexxeh> just realised what i /don't/ have
[18:04] <Hexxeh> another microusb cable...
[18:04] <Hexxeh> oh wait
[18:04] <Hexxeh> i have a nexus one
[18:04] <Hexxeh> hurrah
[18:04] <passstab> she said there?s something weird about it and that she'll call me back
[18:05] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: so when are you shipping your spare pi to me? :D (hey, worth a shot ;))
[18:05] <curahack> Hexxeh, how did you get the pi to boot of a USB device?
[18:05] <ukscone> mozzwald: yeah the seem to be doing it randomly and newark which was the "correct" place to order from in the usa haven't been allocated any onlt e14 side of things
[18:05] <Hexxeh> curahack: bake a few kernel config coptions in
[18:06] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: i'm tempted to say whoever manages to get a modern version of chromium built and working for armv6 can skip the queue and buy it off me for the price i paid
[18:06] <Caver> curahack, you can't
[18:06] <Hexxeh> and i'll ship it same day i see working binaries
[18:06] <Hexxeh> Caver: you can.
[18:06] <ukscone> mozzwald: i have one coming from the uk, posted last week but nothing in the mail yet :(
[18:06] <Hexxeh> Caver: i did it last night
[18:06] <Caver> go on then ... how :)
[18:06] <curahack> Caver Hexxeh managed to do it
[18:06] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: I thought you already got chromiumos working?
[18:06] <curahack> I asume you used an HDD? Because USB flash drives are just as slow as the SD cards
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[18:06] <Hexxeh> Caver: just needed a few extra kernel modules baked in, then set root=/dev/sda3
[18:07] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: not quite, everything but chrome
[18:07] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: chrome instantly segfaults
[18:07] <RaYmAn> ah
[18:07] <mozzwald> ukscone: you still using codesourcery toolchain for cc? I'm shocked i'll be getting mine before you. please dont hate me :)
[18:07] <RaYmAn> isn't that kind of an important part? ;)
[18:07] <Caver> erm but surely it still boots and reads the SD card for the binary blob
[18:07] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: so the rest of the rootFS is there and working, cashew, cryptohome, flimflam etc
[18:07] <Hexxeh> Caver: yes, but the rootFS comes from USB
[18:07] <passstab> Hexxeh, then try building b2g
[18:07] <passstab> :D
[18:07] <ukscone> mozzwald: yes as it works for all my arm devices except kernel building for the ecafe
[18:08] <aditsu> "binary blob" heh
[18:08] <curahack> Hexxeh what USB device did you boot off?
[18:08] <Hexxeh> curahack: usb stick, some HP 8GB thing
[18:08] <curahack> and a USB stick is faster then a SD card? I expected an external HDD or something faster
[18:08] <Caver> Hexxeh, aha .. yes ... no reason you can't do that
[18:08] <Caver> not quite what I call "booting" from
[18:09] <curahack> no but doesn't really matter
[18:09] <mozzwald> ukscone: which version of toolchain? looks like I have 2011.3 right now
[18:09] <curahack> it's not booting but then again, everything happens on USB only the kernel is loaded from the SD
[18:09] <Hexxeh> you'll /never/ be able to boot from SD Caver
[18:09] <Caver> I know
[18:09] <Caver> hence was a little curious
[18:09] <Hexxeh> it's as good as you're going to get, and it makes a huge difference
[18:09] <Caver> yup
[18:09] <Hexxeh> anyway
[18:10] <Hexxeh> anybody up for the challenge of getting working modern chromium binaries?
[18:10] * curahack wished he was of any help
[18:10] <Hexxeh> there's a raspberry pi sat on my desk that could be finding it's way to somebody who does :P
[18:10] <aditsu> Hexxeh: I can give you an amd64 one :p
[18:10] <curahack> do you ship to the Caribbean?
[18:10] <Caver> did you try stripping it?
[18:11] <Hexxeh> Caver: well yeah, that'd let it run under gdb, but it'd be useless and identical to running a release build :P
[18:11] <Hexxeh> Caver: and i'd just get the segfault and be back to square one
[18:11] <Caver> ahh
[18:11] <Hexxeh> curahack: i'll ship anywhere if you pay shipping and show me some working binaries :P
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[18:12] <curahack> so basically your saying that Chromium isn't done yet?
[18:12] <Hexxeh> i have an older version working
[18:12] <BenO> Hexxeh, I'll chip in mine if someone can get decent ALSA and OSS working before me ;)
[18:12] <Hexxeh> but something changed recently that broke it
[18:12] <Hexxeh> i say recently
[18:12] <BenO> Well... when I get my second one anyway ;)
[18:12] <Hexxeh> within maybe the last year or so
[18:13] <Caver> Hexxeh, have you tried running it with strace to see if it gives any clues?
[18:13] <zgreg> I hope audio will ever work without horribly high cpu load
[18:13] <Hexxeh> yes, no use Caver
[18:13] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/T5K9f0Ty
[18:13] <Caver> ok .. just a thought!
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[18:14] <chronofast> raspberry pi audio site: http://rpiaudio.wordpress.com/
[18:14] * wcchandler i have yet to test the audio... sounds like a ripe spot for bug hunting :))) <-- Jabba the hutt smiley
[18:14] <aditsu> Hexxeh: do you have some instructions about how to compile and test it without arm hardware?
[18:14] <aditsu> Hexxeh: also latest version that works
[18:14] <Hexxeh> aditsu: sure, get a raspberry pi rootfs, run it under qemu
[18:14] <Caver> yeah I still have to get that far
[18:14] <chronofast> sorry, didn't realize that site was dead
[18:15] <Hexxeh> you'll have to cross-compile it etc
[18:15] <Caver> I've love to get it working with my little USB SDR I got
[18:15] <Caver> ideal mobile scanner :)
[18:15] <BenO> Go go gadget quadcore, make me a kernel
[18:15] <BenO> !
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[18:16] <BenO> Hexxeh, You added ext2/3 to the kernel as well as usb drive support in the end>
[18:16] <BenO> ?
[18:16] <aditsu> Hexxeh: installing qemu now; how do you set up the cross compiler?
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[18:17] <Hexxeh> BenO: yeah, but that's not required to boot from USB, that's just because the ext4 module choked on my ext2 fs
[18:17] <Hexxeh> aditsu: google :) lots of different ways
[18:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, cool and I guess I can just mv the rootfs to an ext4 partition in that case?
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[18:18] <Caver> aditsu, it's one of those it's not simple, things to do!
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[18:20] <BenO> It's been years since I built a cross-compiler env - is there a handy dandy prebuilt one for linux that someone can point to?
[18:21] <haltdef> gentoo's crossdev
[18:21] <aditsu> Hexxeh: you're not helping very much :p could you at least tell me if the kqemu and kvm flags are useful?
[18:21] <haltdef> not quite prebuilt but it'll build one for you easily
[18:21] <BenO> haltdef, true, gentoo is an option :)
[18:21] <zgreg> aditsu: not for ARM emulation
[18:22] <Hexxeh> aditsu: if it were easy, i'd have done it myself and wouldn't be having problems
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[18:23] <aditsu> Hexxeh: note I didn't ask about how to get a working chromium arm binary
[18:24] <Caver> thats lucky then
[18:25] <hotwings> well.. hopefully this alsa mess will be sorted out by the time us americans get rpis
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[18:25] <Hexxeh> i honestly think they should've distributed them to developers only for a couple months
[18:25] * aditsu will try to install gentoo in qemu
[18:25] <Hexxeh> getting them into users hands right now isn't going to do any good, infact, it's likely to do more harm than good
[18:25] <BenO> Hexxeh, sorry to bug you w/ naive q's, but is start.elf == vmlinux?
[18:26] <Hexxeh> BenO: no, start.elf is some part of the bootloader for the devce, vmlinux is within kernel.img
[18:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, Agreed
[18:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, Aha, thanks
[18:26] <Caver> no start.elf = boot loader really
[18:26] <hotwings> its funny getting xbmc running on rpi was such a priority..
[18:26] <Hexxeh> users are going to expect too much from these devices, they'll be disappointed and move on
[18:26] <Caver> think more like lilo or grub, but with all the binary blob for the GPU
[18:26] <hotwings> nothing teaches kids to program more than running xbmc
[18:26] <Hexxeh> or worse still, nag/complain that things don't work
[18:27] <Hexxeh> to developers who can't do anything about it because they don't have one themselves yet
[18:27] <Caver> Hexxeh, yes so few people realise it isn't "ready to go" yet
[18:27] <passstab> hiya wings
[18:27] <hotwings> hi
[18:27] <Hexxeh> i know the foundation were well intentioned, but it's not ended well at all
[18:27] <Caver> but how do you limit to "just developers"
[18:27] <passstab> it's not ended
[18:27] <BenO> Caver, Hexxeh Can you point me at any docs on the bootstrapping - I don't want to keep bugging you guys about it
[18:27] <Hexxeh> Caver: select people by hand who apply
[18:27] <Hexxeh> let people show some history of open source work
[18:28] <Drazyl> written test and two references
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[18:28] <Hexxeh> BenO: don't know of any sorry
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[18:28] <Caver> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/config-txt is a good start
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[18:29] <BenO> Hexxeh, Caver thanks :) will hack at it
[18:29] <mikey_w> I am in the USA and ordered on the 2nd go around. My order is still backordered. If they are making so many where is mine?
[18:29] <Caver> whine whine
[18:30] <mikey_w> Yes I enjoy it but that isn't an answer.
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[18:30] <Caver> your asking where you are on the list?
[18:30] <Caver> no idea - ask the distributor
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[18:30] <mikey_w> No I am asking where are they?
[18:31] <hotwings> they dont exist yet
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[18:31] <mikey_w> Smoke and mirrors?
[18:31] <Caver> ok ... a better question ... do you think your on the initial 10,000 batch?
[18:31] <mikey_w> No the 2nd batch.
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[18:32] <Caver> so you think the 2nd batch is smoke and mirrors?
[18:32] <mikey_w> Looks like it.
[18:32] <Caver> ok
[18:32] <hotwings> supposedly theres a big production run going on now. all we have to do is wait until they announce what went wrong
[18:32] <Caver> thats remarkably cynical
[18:33] <mikey_w> But I ordered an openpandora console in April 2009 and haven't gotten it yet.
[18:33] <mikey_w> I can wait.
[18:33] <mikey_w> Just curious.
[18:35] <Caver> well touch wood the ones that have been delivered so far, seem to be working fine, design wise
[18:35] <BenO> mikey_w, Don't worry, you aren't the only one waiting on the Pandora :)
[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> psh... Pandora.... bunch of jerks
[18:35] <hotwings> pandora vapors
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[18:36] <mikey_w> oh well
[18:36] <Soul_Est> be back in a few everyone
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> not vapourware, but still very dishonest
[18:36] <mikey_w> bye
[18:36] <Caver> bye mikey_w
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> if you ordered you'll get yours eventually, but you're at the back of the line unless you pay extra.... which is bs. I just asked for a refund and they finally replied.
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[18:37] * Caver suddenly slightly more in agreement with Hexxeh
[18:37] <Caver> ouch ... did they get their costs wrong?
[18:38] <BenO> Caver, Catastrophically wrong I'd say
[18:38] <Caver> oh dear .. I'd not heard of that one
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, they had to bring in investors to sort it out
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[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> But the thing is when I paid the $300 US, that was over $500 AU. Now it's 300 US is also 300 AU, so I'd be losing too much, so I dunno whether to wait it out or to cancel.
[18:39] <shirro> anyone know of anything like prowl (push notifications) for android? Building heaps of stuff and I want a simple, free notification when something fails.
[18:40] <BenO> shirro, what are you building on? remote machine?
[18:40] <BenO> for local machines (linux) i tend to use pynotify - but then again, I tend to write in python so that makes it easy
[18:40] <shirro> arm board. just want to know when it needs attention.
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[18:41] <BenO> ah in that case ignore the suggestion ;)
[18:41] <Hexxeh> got a stacktrace from chrome!
[18:41] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/vYCw9wxT
[18:41] <Hexxeh> but it's fairly useless... :(
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[18:42] <Caver> ick ... a libc problem?
[18:42] <aditsu> wow, qemu compilation is pretty heavy.. it swapped about 5 GB and load avg went to 15
[18:42] <BenO> shirro, fire stuff at https://pachube.com/ perhaps?
[18:42] <Caver> aditsu, welcome to the wonderful world of emulation!
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[18:43] <aditsu> Caver: I'm not even emulating anything yet, just compiling qemu
[18:43] <BenO> aditsu, think of a large number. Now double it. Add 500. Double that. That's the amount of RAM you need to emulate a 486
[18:43] <BenO> ;)
[18:44] <Caver> lol
[18:46] <Caver> aditsu, how come your compiling it and not just downloading?
[18:46] * SpeedEvil ponders the benefits of JIT vs sticking the emulator in L1 cache
[18:46] <BenO> Hexxeh, did you pull the ramdisc from the kernel.img?
[18:46] <Hexxeh> no
[18:46] <Hexxeh> there isn't one is there?
[18:46] <aditsu> Caver: Gentoo :)
[18:46] <Caver> aha
[18:46] <Caver> !
[18:47] <Caver> in that case you have no one to blame but yourself
[18:47] <BenO> Hexxeh, sorry - I was reading through: http://www.nooktabletdev.org/index.php/Making_a_Boot_Image
[18:47] <Hexxeh> BenO: making a boot image is easy
[18:47] <wcchandler> the pi really isn't *that* slow
[18:47] <Hexxeh> BenO: after your kernel is built, look in arch/arm/boot, you'll find Image
[18:47] <BenO> Yep
[18:47] <Hexxeh> use the mkimage tool from the rpi tools repo on github to build kernel.img
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[18:47] <BenO> Ah... that's the thing I was missing
[18:47] <piless> go away bot
[18:48] <BenO> Hexxeh, sorry, scuse my ignorance, It's been too long
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[18:48] <Hexxeh> BenO: no worries
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[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> aditsu, that doesn't sound right.
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[18:54] <BenO> Rebooted with new kernel.img and it seems to be happy...
[18:54] <BenO> Thanks Hexxeh :)
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[18:54] <BenO> Now to make config changes :)
[18:54] <Hexxeh> BenO: no worries, enjoy
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[18:56] <Hexxeh> zgreg: if you're interesting in hacking on X11 drivers there's a pi setup here almost ready to be SSHed into
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[18:58] <zgreg> Hexxeh: I don't know, my motivation levels are not so good without any chance of getting a board myself, I'll think about it though.
[18:59] <Hexxeh> zgreg: if you get something working and show eben, i'd bet he might send you one out early to let you carry on with it and maintain drivers
[19:00] <Hexxeh> hmm, was the arch linux image supposed to ship with an overclock enabled by default? :P
[19:00] <aditsu> is "armv6j" the arch for the pi?
[19:00] <Hexxeh> i saw a review saying that arch seemed the fastest of the bunch, that'd explain why
[19:01] <Hexxeh> partly at least
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[19:07] <Soul_Est> Hexxeh: less resources taken up is what i'd attribute the speed to.
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[19:08] <Soul_Est> I find arch to be almost too light at times. still enjoy using it though.
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[19:09] <shirro> aditsu: It is armv6kz.
[19:09] <Hexxeh> armv6zk
[19:10] <Soul_Est> so they couldn't have gone with arm1176 instead? makes it easier to differentiate them that way.
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[19:14] <aditsu> Hexxeh: I'm looking at the gentoo releases/autobuilds, it seems to have only armv6j
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[19:16] <fishcooker> hello fellas
[19:16] <fishcooker> glory2 glory
[19:17] <fishcooker> i've donlod the img..
[19:17] <fishcooker> can it be tested on vmware or sth like that
[19:17] <chronofast> qemu
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[19:18] <BenO> Hexxeh, just FYI added final steps to http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation about making the kernel.img
[19:18] <Hexxeh> BenO: good nob
[19:18] <Hexxeh> *job
[19:19] <BenO> lol ta :)
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[19:22] <ShiftPlusOne> stupid noob question: what's all this soft float, hard float stuff? is it to do with the compiler you use, the options you use or what? Is it something within the binaries produced or is it just to do with how they are interpreted?
[19:23] <_Kostic_> Kick Kostic.
[19:23] <BenO> soft float -> floating point math is done in software.
[19:24] <Soul_Est> BenO: well done
[19:24] <BenO> hard float -> floating point functions are replaced by hardware accelerated stuff
[19:24] <BenO> at a simple level
[19:24] <_Kostic_> Please can someone kick Kostic
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> you can
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> /msg nickserv help
[19:25] <_Kostic_> kk... Thanks
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[19:26] <Kostic> Much better... :D
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[19:26] <shirro> people are usually talking about the different ABI with soft vs hard. The two are incompatible.
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Makes no sense to me
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it
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[19:27] <zgreg> "soft float" does not mean floating point operations aren't done on the FPU hardware
[19:28] <zgreg> it merely means that the ABI passes floating point arguments for functions through the integer registers
[19:28] <shirro> If you call a function with a couple of floating point args with the usual ABI they get passed in integer registers and then moved. with the hard float abi they are passed in the FP registers ready to go.
[19:28] <zgreg> this is slower, because it requires additional copying
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[19:28] <zgreg> but it is MUCH faster than software-emulated FPUs
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[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[19:29] <zgreg> it totally depend on the code if hardfp is beneficial
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[19:29] <zgreg> for some code it doesn't make any difference
[19:29] <shirro> soft float abi has maximum compatability. it works with machines with fpu and those that emulate. hardfloat needs an fpu
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> so how do you compile hardfloat binaries?
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> different toolchain or just different cflags or something?
[19:30] <shirro> different flags
[19:31] <shirro> you can also build a new toolchain with those flags as default
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
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[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and since I am asking people stuff I've been avoiding asking... what about softmmu? what's all that about?
[19:32] <shirro> it is a distro thing. unless you are bulding a distro you don't need to know
[19:32] <shirro> doesn't apply. Pi has an mmu
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> is that handled kernel level or individual binaries?
[19:33] <chronofast> Has the debian rp build had everything not related to the rp taken out?
[19:33] <shirro> it looks like the pi cpu with hardfloat and an overclock might come close to beating my 1Ghz A8 for some things. It looks like it actually has a better fpu
[19:34] <piless> shirro: Water-cooled too?
[19:35] <shirro> piless: only if I spill my drink
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[19:36] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: was confused on the mmu question. that sounds like a qemu thing or soemthing. mmu (memory management) is a kernel thing. hard/soft ABI is a user space thing.
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[19:38] <LogicGuy> hehe
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, alright thanks
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[19:43] <Hexxeh> anyone running Arch on their Pi?
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[19:44] <shirro> the major distros don't bother building hardfloat for less than armv7. so we can't use debian or ubuntu armhf. which means you either build your own (gentoo, arch, angstrom/OE etc) or just accept it.
[19:46] <Hydrazine> Hexxeh: almost done building the SD-card
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[19:48] <haltdef> let's face it, lack of hardfloat isn't going to be the issue
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[19:49] <Iota> Hexxeh: I am.
[19:49] <Hexxeh> Iota: do the hello_pi samples compile for me?
[19:49] <Hexxeh> *for you
[19:49] <Hexxeh> Even.
[19:49] <Hexxeh> I'm having trouble getting the hello_audio one to work
[19:49] <Iota> I shall have a look, one second please.
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[19:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, What's the error?
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[19:51] <Hexxeh> BenO: http://pastebin.com/HwFQuNV5
[19:51] <BenO> Huh... I don't get that error at all
[19:51] <Iota> Just installing the base-devel
[19:52] <BenO> Hexxeh, It builds for me - it's what has been encouraging me to carry on with the audio stuff
[19:52] <Hexxeh> on Arch?
[19:52] <Hexxeh> it worked for me on Debian, but i'm trying to use Arch
[19:53] <passstab> what are you building?
[19:53] <BenO> Hexxeh, my bad, yeah, I've not built it on Arch
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[19:55] <Hexxeh> fixed it
[19:55] <Hexxeh> added -lpthread to the LDFLAGS
[19:56] <NirIzr> hey guys - a quick question - i hope to buy raspberry and get arch on it, how complicated is that? i do know what im doing and have exp with both arch & other distros... just wondering if its gonna be about 30 mins, half a day or a week to set up :P
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[19:57] <BenO> Hexxeh, that flag isn't in the deb version :)
[19:57] <Iota> Hexxeh: I tried. It failed. Your solution fixed it.
[19:57] <Hexxeh> awesome :)
[19:57] <Hexxeh> you'll find they don't run either because libGLESv2 isn't in the ldpath
[19:57] <Hexxeh> but that's an easy enough fix
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[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> on arch, copy opt/vc lib and include folders to /usr
[19:58] <Hexxeh> nonononono
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> or modify the path
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> why not?
[19:58] <Hexxeh> echo /opt/vc/lib > /etc/ld.so.conf/vc.conf
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that works too, but hwy not just copy the files?
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[20:10] <BenO> I guess there is no spec sheet on the audio?
[20:11] <BenO> (I dont meant the I2S pcm thing)
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> I don't recall one in the 'datasheet' - have you looked?
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[20:11] <BenO> SpeedEvil, yeah, just been through that
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[20:30] <aditsu> Hexxeh: what cpu type are you using in qemu?
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[20:30] <aditsu> (or anybody else)
[20:30] <_av500_> MOS6502
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> arm1176
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[20:32] <aditsu> ShiftPlusOne: doesn't seem to be available
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> you have to compile your own
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> or use 1136
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[20:33] <aditsu> ShiftPlusOne: there's plain 1136 and 1136 R2
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> arm1136 and arm1136-r2 should both work
[20:33] <aditsu> ok thanks
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's a bit different from arm 1176 so you may encounter a problem eventually
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> if you want to roll your own then check out http://xecdesign.com/compiling-qemu/ and http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
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[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you said you're using gentoo, if that's right, you can unmask qemu 1.0.1 or 9999 (git)
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[20:40] <aditsu> ShiftPlusOne: oh, 1.0.1 has arm 1176?
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> as far as I know
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[20:40] <aditsu> cool, I'll try
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I used a qemu 1.0.1 on windows and ran into some problems. My linux (git( build would run everything just fine with arm1176, but the windows version would only work with arm1136, so there was either a problem with the windows build or with qemu 1.0.1
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> either way you're always better of with the git build, it has many common bugs fixed
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[20:57] <mozzwald> Hexxeh: are you trying to build chromium for arch?
[20:57] <Hexxeh> for Chromium OS
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[20:57] <Hexxeh> but technically if it works on one, it'll work on the rest
[20:58] <mozzwald> ah
[21:03] <markus> howdy heydy
[21:03] <markus> I just ordered a beaglebone.
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[21:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[21:09] <_av500_> \o/
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[21:12] <Hexxeh> anyone familiar with the openmax il audio stuff?
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[21:22] <Matt> when come back bring pi!
[21:22] <Matt> mmmm, pi
[21:23] <BenO> Hexxeh, only so far as the hello_audio shows
[21:24] <Hexxeh> trying to do something useful with it
[21:24] <Hexxeh> it's not the easiest of apis to work with it seems
[21:24] <BenO> Hexxeh, No - you need to use the vchiq to push data to the GPU area and its audio FIFO stack which it plays from
[21:24] <Hexxeh> i get a crash inside ilclient_get_input_buffer
[21:25] <BenO> isn't the ilclient the component that pushes data to the GPU ram side?
[21:25] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/bk5XgLNW
[21:25] <Hexxeh> think so yeah
[21:26] <BenO> Yeah, it's their vcos thing
[21:27] <BenO> It's very awkward - I've been avoiding that today
[21:27] <BenO> Trying to get the volume to work ;)
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[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Ah - new mail from RS.
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[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Saying nothing more than 'we've started mass production' basically;
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> And they're starting to ship
[21:38] <passstab> coll
[21:38] <passstab> cool
[21:39] <passstab> :P
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[21:39] <einonm> Hi there. Does anyone know where or when the next batch are going to get hade?
[21:39] <einonm> ...made...
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> I would say it's quite unlikely for RS or farnell to say
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[21:42] <rm> china
[21:42] <rm> right now
[21:42] <rm> any other questions?:)
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[21:42] <einonm> ok, thanks rm :) I heard some rumours that they might be doing them in the UK
[21:42] <rm> afaik that's still way far on the horizon
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[21:46] <einonm> well, actually yes :D - there's a raspi kernel hosted on github at the moment (https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git). How 'official' is that, if anyone knows?
[21:46] <cjbaird> I suppose the '2nd batch' will allow ordering multiples..
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[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> einonm, THE official.
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[21:56] <des2> Second batch is already sold out
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[21:56] <helpme1986> Hello guys
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> hello
[21:57] <Hexxeh> heh, cool, got spotify working via openmax :D
[21:57] <Hexxeh> that was easier than expected
[21:57] <helpme1986> looking for a recommended powersupply for the Pi, all the ones ive tired (all official and at least 700mah) dont work and the USB & Ethernet fail after 30seconds or so
[21:57] <des2> That's not good helpme
[21:58] <helpme1986> tell me about it!
[21:58] <des2> Does the PI still run just Ethernet and USB ?
[21:58] <Hexxeh> yes
[21:58] <helpme1986> yeah the OS is still running, just cuts out the usb closely followed by ethernet
[21:58] <des2> Could it be a software issue ?
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[21:59] <des2> Ethernet and USB are run off the same chip
[21:59] <einonm> great, thanks ShiftPlusOne
[21:59] <des2> Ethernet is really Ethernet over USB
[21:59] <Hexxeh> could be a faulty pi?
[21:59] <Hexxeh> doubt it, but it's possible i suppose
[21:59] <helpme1986> i was thinking faulty but really dont want to return it until im 100% as I wont see another one for months
[21:59] <des2> Right.
[22:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, What did you do?
[22:00] <des2> Which is why I didn't mention hardware.
[22:00] <des2> Can't do anything about that.
[22:00] <Hexxeh> BenO: i was doing strange things passing pointers
[22:00] <des2> What OS are you using helpme ?
[22:00] <helpme1986> Debian Squeeze
[22:01] <helpme1986> tried Arch as well with same results (altho does last longer)
[22:01] <des2> Not good.
[22:01] <des2> Sounds like a heat issue.
[22:01] * BenO thinks C90 can sod off - He'll put his variable declarations where he likes :(
[22:01] <des2> How mant different power supplies did you try ?
[22:01] <helpme1986> strange thing is the longer i leave it plugged in the more stable it becomes :S
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Do you own a multimeter helpme1986?
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[22:03] <helpme1986> HTC Official 1000mah, 2xBlackberry 700mah, Powered USB Hub (with official samsung USB u2) random unofficial 2000mah
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[22:03] <helpme1986> yeah got a meter, generally around 4.86v until USB/Ethernet drops then goes to 5.05v
[22:04] <helpme1986> but last nite the longer i left it plugged in the higher the voltage got, reaching 5v with everything plugged in and 5.15v when they drop
[22:04] <helpme1986> (taken from 5v on GPIO)
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[22:05] <SpeedEvil> none of those voltages should be a problem
[22:06] <helpme1986> i have no idea what to try next :(
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[22:06] <markus> so what is ethernet over usb? is it comparable to a usb peripheral that adds ethernet, but is attached to the board?
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> markus: exactly that
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[22:07] <markus> so could you see it when issuing lsusb then?
[22:07] <Hexxeh> spotify playback is almost perfect
[22:08] <Hexxeh> there's a bit of a static background noise or something
[22:08] <Hexxeh> and there known issues with these libs?
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[22:08] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:08] <markus> isn't the driver in alpha stage?
[22:08] <Hexxeh> this isn't alsa
[22:08] <Hexxeh> this is using the openmax il stuff
[22:08] <Hexxeh> like hello_sound
[22:09] <markus> ok. so there is an alpha alsa driver?
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[22:09] <Hexxeh> yeah
[22:09] <markus> and alsa is better because more applications support it?
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[22:09] <Hexxeh> yes
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[22:09] <markus> is it possible to implement an alsa driver using the already in place openmax il stuff?
[22:10] <Hexxeh> it's being done
[22:10] <markus> cool =)
[22:10] <Hexxeh> check the firmware repo on the raspberry pi github
[22:11] <Hexxeh> i wonder if the interference is electrical
[22:11] <Hexxeh> rather than a software bug
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[22:14] <Hexxeh> i can't get any output over HDMi, only the 3.5mm jack
[22:14] <BenO> Hexxeh, The static is something I've been wondering about
[22:14] <BenO> Hexxeh, I get it too
[22:14] <Hexxeh> phew
[22:14] <Hexxeh> thought it was just me
[22:15] <BenO> But it depends on the device I use to playback
[22:15] <Hexxeh> at least it's not a bug with my code :P
[22:15] <Hexxeh> what'd you mean?
[22:15] <BenO> headphones seem to cause it, but something geared up for line in seems okay
[22:15] <Hexxeh> interesting...
[22:15] <BenO> but after the crackle develops it can take a while for the sound to calm down in the line in device
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Is it level-dependant?
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[22:16] <Hexxeh> i don't know :/
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[22:16] <Hexxeh> can't see any way to adjust volume in this
[22:16] <Hexxeh> maybe it's too low level for that
[22:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, Volume is screwed
[22:17] <passstab> i'm following http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[22:18] <passstab> and i get qemu-system-arm: -append ???root=/dev/sda2: could not open disk image panic=1???: No such file or directory
[22:18] <BenO> Hexxeh, in the Alsa driver, it's pretty much fubar
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, don't copy paste
[22:18] <Matt> panic at the disco :)
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I will fix that
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's the wrong "
[22:18] <BenO> Hexxeh, I need to speak to someone who knows the internals to find out about it
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[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, for now, just replace the ?s with the proper "s
[22:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, I believe that the OpenMAX IL does do volume, and a bunch of other things too
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[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, qemu-system-arm -kernel kernel-qemu -cpu arm1176 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -append "root=/dev/sda2 panic=1" -hda archlinuxarm-01-03-2012.img
[22:20] <passstab> ok thanks
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[22:23] <helpme1986> so anyway, can anyone suggest a good power supply?
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[22:24] <SpeedEvil> helpme1986: I'd hook it up to a drive connector. (the 5V, not the 12V)
[22:25] <helpme1986> ??
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> Or a motherboard USB port actually
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> more sensiblt
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> not a hub
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[22:25] <helpme1986> dont they max at 500mah
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> the Pi will not use 700mA without extras
[22:26] <helpme1986> ethernet it will..
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, thanks for the reminder, fixed it now.
[22:26] <passstab> np :P
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[22:27] <SpeedEvil> who did some measurements
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> BenO: was it you?
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[22:28] <SpeedEvil> IIRC he got ~400mA with ethernet
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[22:28] <helpme1986> mmm k, will laptop be ok?
[22:28] <BenO> SpeedEvil, current draws?
[22:28] <Hexxeh> just plugged it into my TV, works perfectly with hdmi
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> BenO: I guess I'm confused again.
[22:29] <BenO> SpeedEvil, Yeah, it was about that with ethernet (~0.4A)
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[22:32] <jamesglanville> this has probably been covered, but i'll get my rpi tomorrow, and don't have a monitor or tv, so will be using ssh/vnc, with the latest debian image is ssh/dhcp installed/enabled or do i have to mess around with qemu?
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[22:33] <BenO> jamesglanville, openssh-server works out of the box
[22:34] <jamesglanville> BenO: cool, with dhcp then?
[22:34] <BenO> Yep
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[22:34] <jamesglanville> cheers
[22:34] <BenO> Booted mine up to find its MAC and then gave it a static addr on the dhcp server
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[22:34] <helpme1986> was just about to say it working being powered from laptop USB but just cut out
[22:35] <jamesglanville> BenO: I think i'll just get my laptop to be a dhcp server for initial setup, then I can get the wifi up and running
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[22:35] <jamesglanville> though getting it to support an eduroam wpa2 enterprise + peap is going to be a pain
[22:36] <BenO> jamesglanville, I haven't tried a wifi dongle yet - are you going to use a powered hub?
[22:36] <BenO> jamesglanville, urgh eduroam! ;)
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[22:36] <jamesglanville> BenO: I don't have one, but I can always wire it to a better 5v source manually
[22:37] <BenO> jamesglanville, I'll be interested to hear if you end up doing that
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[22:37] <BenO> lots of folk are assuming that they can add a dongle and it'll just work
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[22:37] <SpeedEvil> No reason it shouldn't - if the USB port is working
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> - and you don't have a binary driver
[22:38] <jamesglanville> BenO: I'll post back here tomorrow evening when I get to uni and get my pi, but usb usefully powers things before comms are connected, so most stuff is fine constantly being powered regardless of if the host is talking
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[22:38] <jamesglanville> I got it working on my nslu2, so I'm presuming that's ok
[22:38] <BenO> SpeedEvil, depends on how much current it wants to draw...
[22:39] <BenO> jamesglanville, cool, thanks :)
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> I tend to ignore that as it's so trivial to fix with a hub or cable
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[22:40] <BenO> Hexxeh, have you found any volume controls in the IL connection?
[22:41] <Hexxeh> BenO: not looked sorry
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[22:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, no probs - I've got the volume control working, but I don't think they've plumbed the effing thing in
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[22:41] <Hexxeh> wouldn't surprise me
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[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't think it would work
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[22:44] <BenO> Op Wars!
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> tempted to try chanserv, but not sure if that's a good idea
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> wouldn't be much of a war, since he can deop me.
[22:45] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[22:49] <BenO> VCOS!!!! :(
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[22:49] <BenO> grrr
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[23:12] <BenO> I feel like such a git when I am filing issues...
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> why's that?
[23:13] <BenO> Well, 4 of the 5 issues on the firmware tracker are mine for a start...
[23:14] <Hexxeh> oh dear, spotify eats like 35% of the cpu
[23:14] <Hexxeh> that's not good
[23:14] <jamesglanville> this might be a silly question, i'm getting kernel panics at boot running in qemu, any way to scroll up and see what's wrong?
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[23:15] <BenO> Hexxeh, I'm getting about 20ish% of CPU usage playing back ogg files
[23:15] <BenO> And that's with a simple player
[23:15] <BenO> jamesglanville, shift+pgup?
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, using linux?
[23:15] <beardface> you guys have your pis?
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, add the -nographic options and in the append string add console=/dev/ttyAMA0
[23:16] <jamesglanville> it's not working :s yeah linux, I can go control-alt-2/3 to get the monitor, but I can't scroll up, so I just get the stack unwind
[23:16] <Hexxeh> BenO: i'm sure we can do better
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[23:16] <Hexxeh> BenO: what player is that? is that via alsa?
[23:16] <mjr> I wouldn't be very sure...
[23:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, ogg123
[23:17] <mjr> and spotify of course has its own drm overhead
[23:17] <BenO> It's in vorbis-tools
[23:17] <Hexxeh> mjr: the overhead isn't very big at all
[23:17] <mjr> so using more than a usual player is to be expected
[23:17] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: I just see uncompressing linux, booting kernel then nothing
[23:17] <BenO> mplayer is about the same
[23:17] <xlq> [22:10] <BenO> I feel like such a git when I am filing issues...
[23:17] <xlq> I feel like a Darcs.
[23:18] <xlq> Or, ur, subversive? Tee hee.
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, sure you got the console=/dev/ttyAMA0 where it's meant to be?
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, something like qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1176 -hda rootfs.ext2 -nographic -no-reboot -kernel zImage -append ???root=/dev/sda panic=1 console=ttyAMA0???
[23:18] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: yep that's what I have
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what distro?
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> though that shouldn't matter
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[23:19] <jamesglanville> ubuntu
[23:19] <jamesglanville> oh got it, stupid wrong apostrophe
[23:19] <jamesglanville> sorry about that silliness
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:19] <jamesglanville> thanks
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> damn wordpress
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[23:22] <BenO> Hexxeh, During playback, ogg123 has settled down to 15% usage (based on 'top' - so YMMV ;))
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[23:25] <BenO> wb ukscone
[23:25] <BenO> :)
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[23:25] <ShiftPlusOne> it was Ben0, I swear.
[23:26] * BenO is stunned
[23:26] <BenO> Wha?!
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> k I've changed the theme back to the old one... the one which doesn't convert "s
[23:27] <BCMM> does the Pi do any sort of frequency scaling for powersaving?
[23:27] <BCMM> BenO: if it does, %cpu usage gets less meaningful
[23:27] <Hexxeh> no iirc
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[23:30] <wcchandler> woot, finally home and fluxbox started right up :) gotta love reading documentation and understanding what you're doing :P
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[23:31] <BenO> wcchandler, that reminds me, I must install wmii on this :)
[23:32] <wcchandler> BenO: I was thinking about that or xmonad
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[23:32] <wcchandler> mem is still high for Xorg :( hovering around ~20%
[23:32] <BenO> wcchandler, Hardcore ;)
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[23:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, your spotify vid is marked as private...
[23:41] <Hexxeh> fixed
[23:42] <BenO> Hexxeh, YouTube police have stepped in -> "This video contains content from SME..."
[23:42] <Hexxeh> ...
[23:42] <BenO> It can be watched on Youtube though
[23:42] <BenO> just not via twitter apparently
[23:42] <Hexxeh> difficult to demo without playing music :P
[23:42] <BenO> Yeah :(
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[23:44] <BenO> Nice stuff though :) Is that with HDMI A/V out? you mentioned something about having issues with audio out?
[23:45] <Hexxeh> that's HDMI yeah
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[23:45] <Hexxeh> headphone output gives interference
[23:46] <Ben64> does mplayer2 work
[23:46] <Hexxeh> not tested it
[23:46] <BenO> Ben64, it works, but the ALSA driver it's talking to isn't working well enough for it
[23:46] <BenO> mplayer* that is
[23:46] <BenO> not tried mplayer2
[23:46] <Ben64> hm
[23:47] <Ben64> its my favorite player
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[23:59] <IT_Sean> Ahoy

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