#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-04-19

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[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ey
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[0:22] <mkopack> Hey peeps
[0:23] <BenO> hey
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[0:24] <mkopack> Anything new and interesting happening? That letter from RS was, as usual,old info and useless
[0:24] <BenO> mkopack, Hexxeh got spotify running and outputting via the OpenMAX IL audio :)
[0:24] <BenO> mkopack, but from RS, etc - no nothing interesting
[0:25] <mkopack> Forgive my ignorance... What's spotify?
[0:25] <Hexxeh> spotify.com
[0:27] <BenO> pandora-like service
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[0:27] <BenO> I am still quite interested in your pointer hack for the playback ;)
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[0:30] <Hexxeh> what's the problem you're having BenO?
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[0:32] <BenO> Hexxeh, just tired of ALSA plumbing - would be nice to make actual sound ...
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[0:32] <blemmm> Does oss work on it?
[0:32] <Hexxeh> do you have some OpenMax-based code you're having trouble with?
[0:33] <wcchandler> Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed!
[0:33] <wcchandler> :P
[0:33] <BenO> Hexxeh, threading issue - altering volume (or attempting to) while another process plays back causes vcos to have a spasm and hang the playback process
[0:33] <wcchandler> I didn't want you anyways
[0:34] <BenO> Hexxeh, but only if a lot of volume change requests happen
[0:34] <Hexxeh> BenO: sounds like it might be an internal bug in the OpenMAX stuff?
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[0:35] <curahack> damn Hexxeh, your still here?
[0:35] <Hexxeh> yeah
[0:35] <curahack> amazing
[0:35] <Hexxeh> uh, why?
[0:35] <BenO> Hexxeh, something is colliding in that area, but as I am dealing with two areas I am a novice at (ALSA drivers + OMX), it could easily be pebkac
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[0:35] <BenO> but the collision is not in my code, its in the pre-existing alsa code
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[0:36] <BenO> driver* code for the snd_bcm2835
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[0:41] <BenO> .... ffs
[0:42] <BenO> I think the chip volume runs the wrong way rounsd
[0:42] <BenO> I think the chip volume runs the wrong way round
[0:43] <BenO> eg -10240 -> 2303 is the range, but it gets quieter once it is in the -600 and above range
[0:43] <BenO> this would be easier with documentation
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[0:53] <BenO> But I have a semblance of volume control in ALSA! :)
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[0:58] <wcchandler> william@raspberrypi:~$ uptime| 22:54:20 up 1 day, 2 min, 3 users, load average: 0.10, 0.12, 0.21
[0:58] <wcchandler> woot, gotta be a record
[0:58] <BenO> wcchandler, Oh has that competition started already? ;)
[1:00] <Hydrazine> hehe, nice
[1:00] <BenO> 22:59:39 up 22 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.05
[1:00] <BenO> ;)
[1:01] <blemmm> 18:56:17 up 1 day, 19:55, 11 users, load average: 0.22, 0.15, 0.11
[1:01] <blemmm> Meh, updated my kernel yesterday
[1:04] <wcchandler> :P
[1:04] <mkopack> So anyone set things up where theirfile system is on a USB drive/stick and the ad card hands off the boot process yet?
[1:05] <BenO> mkopack, Hexxeh has and I think my kernel can do that to :)
[1:05] <BenO> too*
[1:05] <Hexxeh> yeah, done that
[1:05] <Hexxeh> http://radium.hexxeh.net/kernel.img http://radium.hexxeh.net/modules.tar.gz
[1:05] <Hexxeh> enjoy
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[1:05] <BenO> :)
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[1:06] <blemmm> does linux need /usr/ to boot?
[1:06] <blemmm> More specifically, /usr/bin
[1:07] <mkopack> You have OT change the kernel to do that!?! Holy cow..
[1:08] <BenO> mkopack, uas was built as a module rather than as part of the kernel
[1:08] <Hexxeh> mkopack: it's going to be in the kernels distributed eventually i think
[1:08] <Hexxeh> i created an issue for it on github and provided the config options required
[1:08] <mkopack> An
[1:09] <mkopack> Ahhh... See this is way outside my knowledge space with Linux
[1:12] <blemmm> Tested in a vm, seems like it can, so I'll just keep /usr and /home mounted from a usb drive
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[1:14] <blemmm> Hmm, nevermind, it can't log in now lol
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[1:15] <mkopack> Oops
[1:18] <curahack> Nice work Hexxeh
[1:18] <hotwings> you cant login without /usr/bin ?!
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[1:19] <BenO> It may be to do with how /home is mounted?
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[1:23] <blemmm> hotwings: Well, I tried with /usr, I think it might have something to do with the shadowing
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[1:27] <blemmm> Okay, it works if I just mount /usr/bin afterwards, albeit a bit broken
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[1:42] <wcchandler> :) poor thing is crawling trying to play an .avi from usb.. hee hee, lemme just ^C
[1:43] <wcchandler> wouldn't it be in wait state if it was the USB that was too slow?
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[1:46] <BenO> wcchandler, what does the cpu tell you? And what is doing the playing?
[1:47] <wcchandler> BenO: just running top, Cpu(s): 97.4%us, 2.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st with mplayer
[1:48] <wcchandler> wouldn't wa be a bit higher, as that'd be IOWaits?
[1:49] <BenO> what are you decoding?
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[1:50] <wcchandler> XVID MPEG-4 MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3 (MP3)
[1:51] <BenO> wcchandler, have you tried that with the 'hello_video' app?
[1:51] <BenO> /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video IIRC
[1:51] <wcchandler> BenO: nah, I was mostly d**king around and made an observation
[1:52] <wcchandler> coolio, lemme give it a shot
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[1:52] <BenO> wcchandler, yeah, I think some folk are going to be disappointed that it won't play all their dvd rips ;)
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[1:54] <mkopack> Lol.
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[1:54] <mkopack> Could have told them that months ago
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[1:55] <bnmorgan> typical stupid question, are we all still seeing 16aug12 ship dates?
[1:56] <mkopack> Yes
[1:56] <mkopack> Relax
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[1:56] <bnmorgan> k. ty. just wanted to make sure
[1:56] <mkopack> Only like 1200 total have been shipped
[1:56] <bnmorgan> not panicing, i have no idea what i am going to do with it once i get it anyway.
[1:56] <Ben64> i still don't have a date :|
[1:57] <mkopack> Ben go out to a bar and meet somebody and get one ;)
[1:57] <Ben64> don't like bars
[1:58] <jedivulcan> Bars are the worst place to meet women or men.
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[1:58] <Iota_> "We now have in excess of 100,000 confirmed orders for the Raspberry Pi globally and can confirm that everyone who ordered before 18th April (i.e. today!) will definitely receive their Raspberry Pi before the end of June 2012, whatever your existing order confirmation says!"
[1:58] <jedivulcan> Usually.
[1:58] <Iota_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[1:58] <wcchandler> BenO: is there a specific player for this? mplayer is again, crawling on H264
[1:58] <Ben64> hmm
[1:58] <Ben64> i ordered feb 29th
[1:58] <BenO> wcchandler, did you try building the ./hello_video.bin player?
[1:59] <BenO> that uses the video decoding on the chip
[2:00] <wcchandler> not yet, anything special or can I just gcc the .c?
[2:00] <mkopack> Iota: I think most of us early order folks will have them in the next 2-3 weeks
[2:00] <Iota_> :D
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[2:00] <BenO> wcchandler, you should just be able to 'make' in that dir and build it
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[2:00] <wcchandler> from mplayer playing: Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 0.7%sy, 97.3%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
[2:01] <wcchandler> ni is non-interruptable IO, right?
[2:03] <BenO> wcchandler, could be - not something I look at often :)
[2:03] <wcchandler> :P
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[2:05] <wcchandler> BenO: do you have one?
[2:07] <BenO> wcchandler, A Pi?
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[2:07] <wcchandler> BenO: yeah
[2:07] <BenO> Yep :)
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[2:32] <ewan> lol?
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[2:33] <ollymorfik_> you must limit your pr0n torrents up/down speeds or this is what happens
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[2:36] <drewh_> everyone see the news?
[2:36] <hamitron> news?
[2:36] <drewh_> no matter when you ordered you'll have a pi by the end of june
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[2:36] <hamitron> nice :)
[2:37] <drewh_> farnell, anyways... they're shipping the rest of their early stock first week of may
[2:37] <drewh_> coool
[2:37] <hamitron> with the fault, or with a fix?
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[2:37] <drewh_> which fault is that
[2:37] <hamitron> just kidding ;)
[2:37] <drewh_> lOL
[2:37] <drewh_> that would be awful
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[2:38] <hamitron> I shouldn't joke
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[2:38] <drewh_> never joke until you have a pi in hand
[2:38] <hamitron> I not even ordered one yet
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[2:39] <hamitron> I don't tend to take up new tech straight away
[2:39] <hamitron> :)
[2:39] <hamitron> in case there are faults I suppose
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[2:52] <wcchandler> there an op in here?
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[2:54] * IT_Sean grumbles
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[2:55] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *jedivulcan*!*@*
[2:56] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@wikia/majorthomme
[2:56] * IT_Sean sends wcchandler an invoice for ?18.50 + VAT
[2:58] <[deXter]> Sheesh, that was some huge spam right there.
[2:58] <IT_Sean> aye
[2:58] <drewh_> is that what that was?
[2:58] <IT_Sean> Dunno if it was intentional, but, it needed to stop (and i suspect it was)
[3:00] <blue_k> Yeah, looks like it. It appears an automated system did its job to correct it though.
[3:00] <IT_Sean> automated system? I banned him... automated my arse
[3:01] <blue_k> Oh whoops, sorry just noticed that.
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[3:01] <[deXter]> I wish the ops in other channels were more active. I have to put up with the jedivulcan spam in other channels ._.
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[3:05] * IT_Sean was happy to drop the banhammer for you, then.
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[3:18] <ReggieUK> just feed the ape his bananas and he'll banhammer all day long
[3:19] <IT_Sean> hush you
[3:19] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[3:19] * IT_Sean removes his Op Hat
[3:19] <ReggieUK> :D
[3:19] <ReggieUK> http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/radio-telescope/99818478
[3:19] <ReggieUK> it's on gumtree :D
[3:19] <ReggieUK> of all places
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[3:20] <Matt> IT_Sean!
[3:20] <IT_Sean> ?19,000 !!!???
[3:20] <IT_Sean> yes Matt?
[3:20] <Matt> popcorn?
[3:20] <IT_Sean> no thanks.
[3:20] <IT_Sean> popcorn is ebil.
[3:20] <Matt> popcorn is excellent
[3:21] <Matt> so long as you make your own and don't get the stuff that's all salt or sugar
[3:21] <IT_Sean> popcorn is vile ebil nastyness.
[3:21] <IT_Sean> Popcorn. Death flavored unicorn dingleberries.
[3:22] <Matt> lol
[3:23] <Matt> air-popped corn, with a little olive oil and a pinch of salt
[3:23] <Matt> or with parmasan - yum
[3:23] <IT_Sean> i don't like popcorn.
[3:23] <IT_Sean> why are we talking about popcorn?
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[3:31] <blue_k> I'm with you IT_Sean, I'm not a huge popcorn lover myserlf, sometimes, if I'm in the mood I'l have some, but most the times not.
[3:31] <IT_Sean> I am off for the night
[3:31] <IT_Sean> Later all
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[3:44] <wcchandler> i could totally use this as a desktop replacement for my work
[3:44] <wcchandler> :/
[3:46] <cjbaird> When my main machine died a few years back, I hooked my EeePC701 (the original model) up to the keyboard and LCD, and with the 2GB of RAM, it was actually rather useable, 'in spite' of only being a 650MHz cpu..
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[4:10] <hotwings> theater popcorn without too much salt - YUM!
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[4:13] <cjbaird> Please, let's not 'virtual popcorn' be the RPi equivalent of Linux's 'virtual beers' :P
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[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Is it weird that I got bored and decided to generate tone equivalents for each number of Pi and make a "song" of it?
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[4:25] <cjbaird> I did that on my VIC20 when I was 15 :P
[4:26] <GabrialDestruir> heh
[4:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm doing it using audacity xD
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[4:27] <cjbaird> A bit later on I got into aleatoric music with the VIC... I actually got some nice leimotifs out of it... but my music teacher gave me a zero on the assignments when he found out I'd used a computer :P
[4:28] <cjbaird> (this was in 1985)
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> XD
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[4:30] <cjbaird> Mr Gill, the music teacher, was one of those 'Keep Music Live!' weenies.. -_-
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> I've just finished Pi to a hundred places. I'm planning to go to at least 1000 before I stop.
[4:31] <cjbaird> I'd love to lock him in a room and play Miku Hatsune/Vocaloid tracks at him all day.. :/
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> But since each tone only gets .1 seconds 100 places of Pi is only 10 seconds.
[4:31] <Ben64> GabrialDestruir: theres easier ways to do that
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[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> Yes I could use algorithms and predesigned programs....
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> But what's the fun in that?
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[4:36] <cjbaird> Do e, (?? + e), ( ?? - e ) next.. :)
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[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> 290 more to go
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> or something
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[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> They lied about pi .-. unless I'm mistaken something, Pi to 1000 places, broken up in brackets of 10 should be 100 brackets, right? .-.
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[5:07] <Ben64> who lied about it
[5:07] <Ben64> 1000 is always 10*100
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[5:21] <nirokato> /wc
[5:21] <nirokato> lol long day
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[5:46] <a_c_r> ugh. forgot how much I hate yum.
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[5:47] <wry> Stab it.
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[5:48] <a_c_r> I just may...
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[5:48] <wry> I'm so glad Arch works on the pi.
[5:48] <a_c_r> I need a bigger SD.
[5:48] <a_c_r> audio working on arch?
[5:48] <a_c_r> I do like me some pacman...
[5:48] <wry> Not sure. I don't actually have one yet.
[5:49] <wry> I'm just glad that when I do, I won't need to switch.
[5:49] <a_c_r> i booted into it briefly a few hours ago
[5:49] <a_c_r> i've been using debian/ubuntu more for the last few years, so wasn't looking for a steep config learning curve
[5:50] * wry nods.
[5:50] <a_c_r> i'm only running fedora now to see if audio can be made to work
[5:51] <wry> Is there a patch specifically for Fedora?
[5:51] <a_c_r> thing is pulling ~.475A when using 100% cpu
[5:51] <a_c_r> not sure. i just read something earlier that led me to believe it might work better.
[5:51] <a_c_r> i can say that running startx on first boot didn't work
[5:52] <wry> Oh?
[5:52] <a_c_r> on the fedora image, no
[5:52] <a_c_r> debian, yes
[5:52] <wry> Do you know why?
[5:52] <a_c_r> arch, don't think X is installed by default
[5:52] <a_c_r> yes and no...
[5:53] <wry> I wouldn't expect it to be on Arch. Even desktop Arch doesn't have it.
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[5:54] <a_c_r> yeah. me neither
[5:54] <a_c_r> so on fedora, the most telling line in the X log on failure is:
[5:54] <a_c_r> AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[5:54] <a_c_r> so whatever module for the software renderer isn't found
[5:54] * wry nods.
[5:54] <wry> That's awkward.
[5:55] <a_c_r> yeah
[5:55] <a_c_r> swrast* was not on the image anywhere either
[5:56] <a_c_r> wondering if it should be looking for hardware module driver
[5:56] <wry> Yeah...
[5:58] <a_c_r> Time to get serious. If at first you don't succeed, apply beer and repeat.
[5:58] <wry> That's the spirit!
[5:59] <a_c_r> so the audio demo compiles and plays. that's something!
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[6:00] <wry> Nice.
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[6:04] <wry> Any particular plans for it once you get something usable?
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[6:07] <a_c_r> thinking of writing some automation software
[6:07] <a_c_r> but we'll see
[6:07] <a_c_r> At this point I'm just trying to see what its capable of.
[6:07] <a_c_r> I just tried the h.264 demo
[6:08] <wry> How was it?
[6:08] <a_c_r> it played at 1080p super smooth
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[6:08] <wry> Better than my netbook.
[6:09] <a_c_r> yeah
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[6:09] <a_c_r> mine too
[6:09] <wry> I think the open driver for this particular ATI card is kinda shitty though.
[6:09] <a_c_r> it uses <10% cpu while playing the video
[6:09] <a_c_r> (no audio though)
[6:09] <wry> Besides the audio that's great.
[6:10] <a_c_r> current went above 500mA
[6:10] <a_c_r> yeah, it may be feeding audio over HDMI, but I have no way to tell
[6:10] <a_c_r> ok, its not doing that
[6:13] <wry> I'm probably just going to use mine for a torrent box / mpd server.
[6:14] <a_c_r> haha. can confirm it works for the former. :-)
[6:14] <a_c_r> had mine seeding the RPi images earlier
[6:14] <wry> Nice.
[6:15] <wry> I'm probably also going to run the Pirate Box software on it as well.
[6:15] <a_c_r> is that the self-contained wifi disk thing?
[6:18] <a_c_r> it would be perfect for that if we could get the power consumption down
[6:18] <wry> Not sure what you mean by that.
[6:18] <a_c_r> are we talking about the same thing? http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox
[6:18] <wry> Yeah, that's it.
[6:19] <a_c_r> yeah. the pi pulls .38 amps doing nothing
[6:20] <a_c_r> that'll bleed batteries
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[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODqQvlrgIQ
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[6:51] <Gambit-> evenin' folks
[6:51] <Gambit-> I've been getting some mixed data from google on doing video encoding on a raspberry pi. Anyone have any new information on that?
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[6:53] <Gambit-> Specifically I'd like to have a custom optical camera of some kind plugged into a rpi; I don't know if there's some examples or if other people have done similar things yet?
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[6:57] <wry> a_c_r: Quite unfortunate.
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[6:59] <a_c_r> i suspect it will go down. there needs to be better integration with the hardware power management features and the linux power management APIs
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[7:06] <wry> Yeah.
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[7:29] <lars_t_h> Good morning, everybody :)
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[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Good morning, Mr. Lars!
[7:33] <shirro> has there been any sign of life from el14 .au?
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[7:35] <a_c_r> shirro: I have heard nothing from them
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[7:37] <shirro> they have had plenty of time to fedex a couple of hundred boards in. thought they might do something this week. perhaps I didn't get in early enough.
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[7:38] <a_c_r> I placed an order through e14.au, but I'm in the US. They were the only website that wasn't hosed on 2/29
[7:39] <a_c_r> That said, haven't heard anything since then
[7:39] <a_c_r> RS board came in this AM though.
[7:40] <lars_t_h> shirro, i had recieved a message from RS Components yeterday, they are going intio mass production
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[7:41] <shirro> yeah. I got pissed with RS for only taking expressions and didn't register with them until days later when I realised I wanted a second board. Really annoyed with myself now. I thought e14 looked more organised but RS are killing them with better communication and delivery.
[7:41] <lars_t_h> shirro, they say that each friday costumers from the queue will be able to buy via a link in an email
[7:43] <shirro> I am way down the queue with RS. I thought at 12 minutes in I might almost sneak into the first lot at e14 given Australia probably had lower demand. I am getting a lot more emails from RS. Think I may have backed the wrong horse.
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[7:43] <a_c_r> Anyone aware of a table of distros vs functioning peripherals?
[7:44] <shirro> a_c_r: no. not sure that even makes sense. most distros cover the same ground
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, kind of... my order changed from backorder to processing
[7:45] <a_c_r> would have been my guess too
[7:45] <a_c_r> one would expect kernel modules that would be distro-independent
[7:46] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, and liz posted that they are shipping worldwide, whereas before they weren't going to ship to australia till july
[7:46] <a_c_r> but it seems things are progressing at different rates
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[7:46] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, so yeah, they've already sent some out to Australia
[7:46] <_av500_> on a ship?
[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> no, that would take forever, you crazy person
[7:47] <shirro> at this point most of the progress seems to be in kernel space - alsa drivers etc. I expect to see work on xorg accel, and openmx support for vlc, mplayer, gstreamer etc moving along now boards are flowing. There is really nothing central to co-ordinate that yet.
[7:48] <hotwings> its a LOT more cost effective to ship maritime than air
[7:48] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, I am going to develop a hsoat driver for I??C communication (2 pins of the GPIO pins on the Pi are for 1 I??C bus)
[7:48] <lars_t_h> *s/hsoat/host
[7:48] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, if you have the time... sure. We've had containers of stuff shipped over and it's very cost effective.... but you're not going to need a container for a few pis
[7:48] * lars_t_h has an anonnoying old keyboard
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I had a motorcycle tyre shipped from japan... took frkn 3 months. >=/
[7:49] <hotwings> doesnt matter what its shipped in, only thing that matters is cost
[7:49] <a_c_r> lars_t_h: that would be awesome. I have a few i2c devices that would be fun to intervace. (wii nunchuck, gyro, and dual accel/magnetometer)
[7:49] <shirro> hotwings: given the size of these things I think air is more likely. Fedex from Mouser only takes a few days to get to here and it spends half its time in Australia
[7:49] <hotwings> most containers shipped maritime arent filled
[7:50] <hotwings> shirro - jet fuel is vastly more expensive than diesel
[7:50] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, are you actually insisting that they ship them by... ship?
[7:50] <shirro> hotwings: I wouldn't call the sludge they burn in ships diesel
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[7:51] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, quite a lot of people want to use I??C - for myself it an RTC chip and 2 dual-UART chips with 8 GPIO pins
[7:51] <lars_t_h> "a PCB with that on it
[7:51] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - im not insisting anything. i dont know what shipping method theyre using for that. but i know without question whats most cost effective
[7:52] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, yes, it's more cost effective, agreed.
[7:52] <shirro> for a car maybe. electronics will fly. if someone put it on a boat they should be shot
[7:52] <hotwings> for a company that is struggling financially right now, they cant afford the luxury of over-paying for anything
[7:53] <ShiftPlusOne> farnell is struggling? I highly doubt it
[7:53] <hotwings> shirro - most electronics are in fact shipped maritime
[7:53] <shirro> farnell and rs are struggling?
[7:53] <_av500_> there's also pirates
[7:53] <hotwings> shirro - rpif
[7:53] <_av500_> can't have pirate kids get cheap computers, can we?
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[7:54] <a_c_r> lars_t_h: good point. I haven't used the Pi disconnected from the internet, so it really didn't occur that there is no RTC
[7:55] <shirro> rpif would have dropped them at farnell/rs and let them move them. I am sure rs/farnell can get a good deal to fedex a box the size of a suitcase
[7:56] <lars_t_h> _av500_, funny enough at a certain location here on Earth, ships seem to disappearon marinetraffic.com
[7:56] <_av500_> bermuda triangle?
[7:56] <hotwings> shirro - whatever deal they get, its not going to be cheaper than maritime
[7:57] <lars_t_h> _av500_, hehe :P
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[7:59] <hotwings> a_c_r - you supposedly can add an rtc to rpi for just a few bucks
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[8:00] <a_c_r> hotwings: no doubt. I'm pretty interested in the power management options in the broadcom chip.
[8:01] <hotwings> im keeping an eye out for add-on boards people come up with
[8:02] <hotwings> heard talk theres supposed to be a bunch of stuff coming down the pipe, but until you can actually order its just a bunch of talk imo
[8:02] <a_c_r> I suspect there will be several.
[8:02] <shirro> I noticed the ethernet/hub chip has WOL. I wonder if that can be used?
[8:02] <_av500_> you can order an i2c rtc from sparkfun today
[8:03] <hotwings> it'll be interesting to see where things stand a year from now
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[8:06] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, if i am renembering it correctly the BCM2835 datasheet from Broadcom has information about power management - the information needed to do kernel hacking
[8:07] <a_c_r> cool. I've only done bare metal power management. I'd need to learn how linux does it
[8:09] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, if you know how to do C programming, a good website to start looking at is http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelHacking
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[8:09] <lars_t_h> there are a _lot_ to learn, but it is funny
[8:11] <a_c_r> lars_t_h: thanks. that looks like a good place to begin. I'm familiar with C, but certainly no expert.
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[8:12] <ShiftPlusOne> lars_t_h, looks good, thanks for sharing, Mr. Lars.
[8:12] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, they have quite a large amount of tricks, and old goto is also used more often in kernel space than in user space - often to avoid a nested if hell
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[8:13] <a_c_r> I suspect kernel hacking is a good way to learn C tricks. I'm not finding any power register info in the datasheet on http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[8:16] <a_c_r> I really wish they would publish the full (or a more full) datasheet.
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[8:17] <lars_t_h> a_c_r, for I??C they are using anonter name, because of trademark issues, and marketing can have smart name for what we call power management
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[8:20] <a_c_r> aha. well, i'm sure more info will become available in time.
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[9:07] <zgreg> RS is better? on the contrary, the regular update mails are useless
[9:07] <zgreg> they only repeat information already known
[9:08] <jzaw> ditto
[9:08] <zgreg> >can confirm that everyone who ordered before 18th April (i.e. today!) will definitely receive their Raspberry Pi before the end of June 2012, whatever your existing order confirmation says!
[9:09] <zgreg> lol.
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[9:09] <zgreg> as if they can guarantee that
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[9:11] <piless> zgreg: It's probably safer for them to assume that their customers are ignorant of all things pi
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[9:11] <fakker> yeah
[9:11] <fakker> how many delivery change emails have they sent?
[9:11] <fakker> i don't bother reading, i'll
[9:11] <fakker> just be glad when it turns up
[9:12] <piless> It's not like an email is killing trees. It hardly hurts. My inbox has over a thousand unread emails.
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[9:12] <piless> 2085
[9:12] <zgreg> piless: well, I'd prefer if they told some real news
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[9:13] <zgreg> piless: not "oh, we've sent out the first pis, but you're not part of it"
[9:13] <piless> zgreg: they are most likely limited by whatever contracts they signed
[9:14] <piless> zgreg: Besides most of the blog posts are hardly any better. How many times did they post about that absolutely useless seminar video
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[9:17] <zgreg> that's right, sort of
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[9:18] <piless> sort of?
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[9:19] <zgreg> at least rpi.org has information first :)
[9:20] <piless> the Railway Supply Institute?
[9:20] <a_c_r> Neither RS nor element14 sent any sort of "Hey, we shipped your pi" e-mail. RS showed up this AM (4/18) via DHL.
[9:21] <piless> a_c_r: They don't bother to say you're not on the first shipment either.
[9:21] <piless> You're just left waiting for an email that never comes.
[9:21] <a_c_r> probably
[9:22] <piless> probably? I signed up on the first day. Got plenty of spam from RS, no invite to order though.
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[9:22] <a_c_r> mine went to my gmail spam folder
[9:22] <a_c_r> so if you have gmail, check there
[9:22] <piless> But the foundation was even worse. Up until launch absolutely everyone said "sign up the mailing list"... Guess what I did that.. And the bloody email never came.
[9:22] <piless> a_c_r: I did.
[9:23] <a_c_r> dunno
[9:23] <a_c_r> could be a regional thing too
[9:23] <piless> I live in the uk
[9:23] <a_c_r> yeah, that would seem to be simple
[9:24] <piless> It was so frustrating for them to change the whole process at the last minute when obviously these agreements with farnell & RS would have had to be signed a month before
[9:25] <piless> Yet we were kept in the dark.
[9:25] <_sundar_> the element14 site says they're expecting to ship from august only :/
[9:25] <piless> Everyone was checking the raspberrypi.com shop, but as it turns out that was just bullshit too.
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[9:26] <a_c_r> Yeah, they're definitely not a commercial operation. I suspect that the distributors will be able to JiT manufacture these things pretty shortly.
[9:27] <a_c_r> I bet there won't be a backlog by June
[9:27] <piless> a_c_r: Rule of thumb, on all matters regarding timing, DO NOT TRUST THE BLOG
[9:28] <a_c_r> yeah, no idea what the blog says
[9:29] <piless> blog says exactly what you just said
[9:29] <a_c_r> At this stage, there are several software issues to work out before it can be used effectively as a broad educational platform
[9:29] <piless> anyone who ordered before april 18th will get a pi by end of june
[9:29] <a_c_r> cool. maybe they're pulling numbers from the same place I am... :-)
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[9:40] <Gwayne> Mmmm, small kids and big kids i guess :)
[9:41] <swp__> For anyone thats interested I have RPi running owfs http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/owfs-raspberrypi/
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[9:44] <Gwayne> I am withing for mine :)
[9:44] <Gwayne> Ahum waiting :)
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[9:45] <piless> 16 degrees is a bit cold isn't it?
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[9:46] <Gwayne> I was wondering about that
[9:46] <Gwayne> One cool pie
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[9:48] <hotwings> zgreg - i ordered march 1 and march 3, from element14/newark. ive only received one email from them that wasnt a response to my inquiries.. all that email said was the ship date being switched to august 16th was bogus and that once the pi is done being certified, theyll be shipping it.
[9:49] <hotwings> i havent heard a word since and no charges to my cc have showed up
[9:50] <piless> hotwings: If you didn't order on the 29th you would definitely not been on the first batch
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[9:57] <hotwings> i dont know if thats true and i honestly dont even care. if it really takes until the end of june to get one, i may lose interest by then and cancel
[9:57] <hotwings> if it takes even longer then i certainly will
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[10:02] <Hourd> yeha i have heard nothing from farnell and i ordered within the first hour
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[10:06] <swp__> piless, thats a temp sensor in the attic room that has no heating
[10:07] <shirro> So the first handful of boards went out over the weekend and if you didn't get one but ordered early on day one you might get something first week of May, otherwise batches will be coming through every few weeks and you should get one by end of June unless you ordered later than yesterday. Is that about right?
[10:08] <Drazyl> sounds it
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[10:10] <piless> shirro: No
[10:11] <piless> shirro: That is what the foundation is saying, but I wouldn't trust them at all at this point.
[10:11] <shirro> No, that is Farnell saying that
[10:11] <piless> shirro: No it's liz saying that farnell is saying that
[10:11] <Hourd> so i should get mine in the next couple of weeks?
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[10:11] <piless> Hourd: I'd say a month
[10:12] <Hourd> i'm not fussed waiting its just that people who ordered later seem to be getting them before early orders which doesnt make sense
[10:12] <shirro> Hourd: yes, looks like 2-3 weeks for the early orders that missed out on the first few hundred.
[10:12] <Hourd> fair enough
[10:12] <Hourd> as long as i get it before i finish my job i'm cool
[10:13] <Hourd> end of june
[10:13] <piless> Hourd: Don't think of them as ordering later, rather than just finishing the process they started by registering their interest at 6am
[10:13] <Hourd> piless: i did as well
[10:13] <piless> Hourd: As have 250,000 other people.
[10:14] <Hourd> yeah
[10:14] <piless> Yet RS have said they have only sent of.. their share of the 2000 that were CE tested.
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[10:15] <piless> So, if you taking off like 500 for dev boards that were given away and assuming an equal split between farnell and RS they only have sent out 750
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[10:15] <Hourd> thats pretty few
[10:16] <piless> Probably more than 500 dev boards were given away.. They've said 400 for QT alone.
[10:16] <shirro> and that wouldn't have been worth sending out to regional offices. they probably just mailed them direct from the uk to people who ordered on uk site, no matter where they were which may account for people with early times on regional stores not getting a Pi. sounds like the next lot will be sent directly to regional distribution.
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[10:16] <piless> Hexxeh got given a dev board
[10:16] <Hexxeh> i didn't get given it, i did buy it... :P
[10:17] <piless> shirro: Some americans are reporting to have recieved pis
[10:17] <piless> Hexxeh: Eh? You said you ordered one and the foundation gave you one.
[10:17] <shirro> But they may not have ordered via Newark. They might have gone to UK site. Some Americans even ordered on .au site because it wasn't crashing as much
[10:17] <Hexxeh> no, they offered to let me buy one straight from them
[10:18] <piless> OH
[10:18] <Hexxeh> i didn't know how long my farnell unit would be, so i asked them if i could
[10:18] <piless> shirro: Eh, they're all the same company though, wouldn't it make sense for them to more an order to the appropriate office if the shipping address is in the wrong country?
[10:19] <piless> *move
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[10:19] <Hexxeh> piless: internally, they might do that
[10:19] <Hourd> they should
[10:20] <piless> Hexxeh: Yeah there would be crazy shipping costs otherwise to indivually send a package from the uk office
[10:21] <piless> Although.. I have known some companies to be ridiculously inefficient.
[10:21] <piless> But they've usually been much smaller.
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[10:22] <piless> Hexxeh: So you contacted them first? Did you have to prove yourself as a contributor or did they just take your word? :P
[10:23] <shirro> I wonder how many of the Qt units will sit in a drawer somewhere?
[10:23] <piless> shirro: Or QA rather than actual dev
[10:24] <shirro> It seemed a lot for just one project
[10:24] <shirro> And one owned by a phone manufacturer that is going bust and is about to be sold off cheap to Microsoft.
[10:25] <piless> Qt Development Frameworks only has 227 (as of 2007) employees
[10:25] * SpeedEvil hopes Nokia fires Elop and releases the n9/lumia/... with harmattan.
[10:25] <shirro> A bit like giving away a couple of hundred to the Novell mono developers just before the axe falls
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[10:26] <SpeedEvil> Nokia kicked in early funds
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> So they get dev units
[10:26] <piless> SpeedEvil: Not in a million years at this point
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> piless: yes. I'm quite aware.
[10:26] <piless> SpeedEvil: Source?
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> piless: err - read?
[10:27] * SpeedEvil hopes Nokia fires Elop and releases the n9/lumia/... with harmattan.
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[10:27] <SpeedEvil> oh
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> right
[10:27] <piless> All I've heard about funding is that eben mortgaged his house
[10:28] <SpeedEvil> The initial announcements of the Qt/Pi thing mentioned it, I think.
[10:28] <piless> I wish they were more open about those sorts of things
[10:28] <SpeedEvil> It makes no sense for them to pre-announce they were purchasing them when they became available also.
[10:29] <piless> ?
[10:29] <piless> I thought the pi was a broadcom conspiracy to off-load outdated SoC's
[10:29] <piless> eben (the mastermind) works for broadcom after all
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, all broadcoms involvement is is to allow the RPF to order in smaller than normal volumes.
[10:30] <haltdef> they're still selling the same soc elsewhere
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> And to provide the redacted datasheet.
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[10:31] <SpeedEvil> It would be interesting to see if other hardware with the same chip could be found, and convinced to boot with the Pi blob
[10:31] <haltdef> roku 2 uses it iirc
[10:31] <a_c_r> yep
[10:31] <piless> It would help if they foundation used more open hardware
[10:31] <a_c_r> could be fun: http://support.roku.com/entries/246042-roku-player-open-source-resources
[10:31] <shirro> People shouldn't be writing that closely to the hardware. It is almost a bonus that so much is hidden as it stops a broadcom lockin
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> piless: the fact that nokia committed to - say - 1K units and funded $25k - say - doesn't mean they diddn't need aditional funding
[10:32] <haltdef> I must admit, I still want a pi even now I own a pandaboard
[10:32] <SpeedEvil> piless: Cheap high performance open-source - fully - chips are quite rare.
[10:32] <piless> haltdef: For the htpc possibilites of course
[10:33] <haltdef> not at all, for bnc/bitlbee server
[10:34] <piless> haltdef: It was a joke
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[10:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:49] <Hourd> !w
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[11:00] <Hexxeh> piless: sorry for the slow reply, just got your message now at uni
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[11:01] <Hexxeh> piless: I contacted them first and gave them some links to what I had working in QEMU, and a link to my site to show that I'm known in the Chrome OS community.
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[11:03] <Hexxeh> Also, Eben mortgaged his house to fund the startup of the foundation? :o
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[11:05] <hotwings> thats what they say.
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[11:05] <hotwings> they seem to have changed their tune about accepting donations btw
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[11:06] <hotwings> at first they didnt want any. then they dipped their toe in running a business and realized theyre going to have to accept outside money or its over
[11:08] <Hexxeh> I think it's less that, more that they didn't want to accept donations until products shipped
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[11:14] <hotwings> eben said they didnt want outside influences
[11:14] <hotwings> anyways, bed time here
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[11:55] <M0RBD> Let's go Pens!
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[12:02] <DaQatz> Odd pibots server is down. But all the others at their are up.
[12:02] <DaQatz> Including the bouncer I'm using.
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[12:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> pibot has been down for a copuple of days
[12:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> :_(
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[14:02] <ukscone> RaTTuS|BIG: yes he seems to be. i did -m the channel but whether it stuck or not i dunno
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[14:04] <ReggieUK> channel modes are +cnt right now
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[14:16] <ukscone> ReggieUK: and those mean what? :) remember you are tlaking to an idiot when it comes to irc well an idiot in general too :)
[14:17] <ReggieUK> well, it means +m isn't in use :D
[14:17] <ukscone> that i could work out :)
[14:17] <ukscone> but cnt means????
[14:18] <ReggieUK> +c = no colored messages
[14:18] <Dagger2> +c = no colors, +n = reject messages from people not on the channel, +t = only ops can set the topic
[14:18] <ReggieUK> +n = no messages from users outside the channel
[14:18] <ReggieUK> http://wiki.blitzed.org/IRC_modes
[14:19] <Kolin> shame there isnt a +u
[14:19] <ukscone> hmmmm might want to -c then
[14:19] <ReggieUK> why?
[14:19] <ReggieUK> you'll regret it :D
[14:19] <ReggieUK> it'll end up being a rainbow pony fest in here!
[14:19] <Kolin> lol
[14:20] <ukscone> ok
[14:21] <ukscone> ok looks like +cnt is ok although maybe i should password the channel and only tell 5 people the password
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[14:21] <ukscone> ReggieUK: what client do you use?
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[14:22] <IT_Sean> Hoyohahoyhoy
[14:22] <ukscone> morning IT_Sean
[14:22] <IT_Sean> Morning!
[14:23] <ukscone> IT_Sean: someone just took a photo of my morning beverage delivery https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/107417090080998362576/albums/5733076462105605297/5733076461465044290
[14:23] <Matt> morning IT_Sean
[14:23] <ReggieUK> wow, that's a large enema you have there IT_Sean......
[14:23] <IT_Sean> Uk scone, niiiice
[14:23] <ReggieUK> erm, ukscone even
[14:23] <IT_Sean> ...
[14:24] <ReggieUK> nvm
[14:24] * ReggieUK crawls back under his rock
[14:24] <ukscone> IT_Sean: i have -m'd the channel and piless is on a warning for language :) anyone else we should keep an eye on? other than ReggieUK of course
[14:25] <ReggieUK> :D
[14:25] <IT_Sean> I don't think so
[14:25] <IT_Sean> Does that mean I can ban Piless if he drops the f-bomb, et al ?
[14:25] <ReggieUK> YES
[14:25] <IT_Sean> Shweeeeet
[14:25] <ukscone> ok -- i'm only kb'ing for a period of time but you are an op so you can do it for however long or as a permaban if you want
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[14:26] <IT_Sean> I'm at work, so, I can't really eeks an eye on things I here much
[14:27] <jzaw> back
[14:27] <Matt> +q is useful too, a little less harsh than +b
[14:27] <jzaw> back
[14:27] <IT_Sean> I prefer +b myself. :p
[14:27] <Matt> like I said - it's less harsh
[14:28] <Matt> allows the user to remain in the channel and see hat's going on
[14:28] <Matt> they just can't send any text to the channel
[14:28] <ukscone> what's +q ?
[14:28] <IT_Sean> Quiet
[14:28] <Matt> q == quiet :)
[14:28] <Dagger2> +b allows them to stay in the channel too
[14:28] <IT_Sean> It's the irc equivalent of a ball gag
[14:28] <Dagger2> it just prevents them from /joining/ the channel
[14:28] <Matt> same as +b, except they're allowed to rejoin
[14:28] <ukscone> so it's be /mode +q <chan> user ?
[14:29] <Matt> yup
[14:29] <Matt> well
[14:29] <Dagger2> /mode #chan +q usermask
[14:29] <Matt> banmask, rather than user
[14:29] <ukscone> ok thanks
[14:29] <BenO> Run mplayer through alsa = random hangs, turn verbose debug logging on alsa driver build = no hangs :( grrr
[14:30] <Matt> user!ident@host.domain, although I think the server will default to user!*@* if you just give a nick
[14:30] <ukscone> so for piless it'd be at minimum without worrying about nick changes or anything /mode #raspberrypi +q piless
[14:30] <ukscone> correct?
[14:30] <IT_Sean> Haha
[14:30] <IT_Sean> I love those types of failures
[14:30] <Matt> yup
[14:30] <IT_Sean> Better to use the mask, though
[14:31] <ukscone> IT_Sean: it would but then i have to do some work and lookup his mask :)
[14:31] <Dagger2> if you just use piless!*@* (which I guess "piless" will be changed to) he can change his nickname to avoid it
[14:31] <BenO> IT_Sean, some sort of timing issue to do with how 'silence' is passed to the OMXL side of things
[14:31] <Matt> no he can't
[14:31] <Dagger2> though at that point you can justify banning him for ban avoidance, so...
[14:31] <Matt> not without a /quit and a reconnect
[14:31] <zgreg> err, what's the probem with piless?
[14:31] <Matt> because the ircd knows about nick changes :)
[14:31] <Dagger2> Matt: well, just by parting the channel
[14:31] <ReggieUK> I Would do *piless!*@*
[14:32] <Matt> it's a non-issue, cause he'll behave :)
[14:32] <ReggieUK> otherwise it'll just be __piless that you're chasing
[14:32] <zgreg> well, a ban is being discussed, so what is the problem?
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[14:33] <ReggieUK> I don't think there is a problem, they're just discussing strategies for dealing with non-compliance :)
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[14:34] <zgreg> to what?
[14:35] <Matt> occasionally being a tit?
[14:35] <zgreg> I mean, I'd understand that if there's an obvious troll, but piless isn't
[14:36] <ukscone> zgreg: it's not the trolling it's the swearing
[14:36] <ukscone> we are trying to keep it to a minimum as kids MIGHT be in here and/or at school
[14:36] <zgreg> are you serious? this is irc
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[14:36] <ukscone> if there is a lot of swearing then schools won't let kids in here during the school day
[14:37] <zgreg> besides, I didn't actually notice any swearing
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[14:38] <ukscone> zgreg: piless has done quite a lot, he waits until he thinks no ops in here forgetting that we have logs
[14:38] <ReggieUK> you won't unless piless is on a profanity tip
[14:39] <haltdef> he's a troll
[14:39] <haltdef> permban and be done with it
[14:40] <ukscone> on the whole i think we have been quite lucky after the launch day nightmare
[14:41] <ukscone> noone i really want to thwap with a cold wet trout but i'm sure it'll change
[14:41] * Matt finds that in most of the channels he's in
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[14:43] <Matt> I used to use ksirc, many years ago
[14:43] <BenO> Hmm I've trashed the sound quality, but mplayer playback is now seemingly stable... hmmm
[14:43] <Matt> where the trout was replaced with a 50lb unix manual
[14:43] <ukscone> matt: i prefer to use the whole set of vax/vms 4.4 manuals
[14:44] <ukscone> there are about 400 pounds of them and take up about 10 large boxes
[14:44] <BenO> drop a minivax on them ;)
[14:44] <BenO> (least apt use of the word mini there)
[14:44] <Matt> ukscone: you've got a grey wall?
[14:44] * Matt had to leave his grey wall in the uk when he moved
[14:45] <Matt> actually, 4.x was orange, wasn't it
[14:45] <zgreg> BenO: what's the CPU load like at playback?
[14:46] <BenO> zgreg, really low now actually - 6% I think
[14:46] <zgreg> BenO: specifically, system load (what the driver consumes)
[14:46] <BenO> Haven't looked at that yet - just trying to get it functional ;)
[14:46] <zgreg> after all it's simply using one of the PWM outputs and that might be quite inefficient
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[14:47] <ukscone> matt i had to give away my set when i moved to the usa too :(
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[14:48] <BenO> zgreg, it's moving audio data from the alsa ring buffer to the gpu memory and the audio pcm stack there. That's where the hardware plays it from.
[14:49] <BenO> there is also a callback for when frames have completed, to feed back for latency/read-position etc
[14:49] <zgreg> oh, that's nice
[14:49] <BenO> It's not that bad really - main issue is that the transfer (vchiq) is a serial interface
[14:50] <BenO> And that's where the conflicts are hitting
[14:50] <BenO> sorry, to be more clear, the data goes in as a serial series
[14:50] <zgreg> I didn't actually look at the driver code yet
[14:50] * ChanServ sets mode +o Matt
[14:50] <zgreg> but that implementation is potentially quite efficient, of course
[14:51] * ChanServ sets mode +o Matt
[14:51] * Matt sets mode -o Matt
[14:52] <BenO> zgreg, main problem is down to two flags for bulk loading the data - BLOCK_UNTIL_DATA_READ works, and the audio quality is fine, but hangs in certain circumstances
[14:52] <BenO> BLOCK_UNTIL_QUEUED works, sounds horrible (music is there, but stuttering/warbled) but doesn't seem to hang
[14:53] <BenO> without more (any!) docs on what the vchiq/vcos does when it recieves the data, I'm not sure I can think of much
[14:54] <zgreg> I'd like to see more documentation for the SoC
[14:54] <zgreg> and/or for the interfaces offered by the GPU blob
[14:54] <BenO> agreed - I had to reverse engineer that the volume works in reverse...
[15:02] <M0RBD> blobs are evil.
[15:04] <Hexxeh> got some uni stuff to do this afternoon and then i'll clean up the despotify patch a bit and upload the source and some binaries
[15:04] <Hexxeh> not tested it on debian but it should work fine there too
[15:05] <a5m0> so when are the orders from newark listed at 16 Aug 2012 really supposed to ship?
[15:05] <BenO> Hexxeh, Cool :)
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[15:10] <Matt> a5m0: it'll depend on when they get stock
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[15:12] * Matt locates a tape labelled "Start: The Best of British"
[15:13] <Matt> which IIRC, we got free from a petrol station :)
[15:13] <Matt> also, why are most keyboards these days so poor
[15:14] <Matt> I might have to go check out unicomp
[15:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17769952
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[15:20] <Matt> morning piless
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[15:24] <piless> morning Matt
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[15:38] <Hexxeh> i had an interesting thought this morning
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[15:38] <Hexxeh> i wonder, how many raspberry pis could you fit into a 1U enclosure?
[15:40] <BenO> Hexxeh, make it 2U and you could line them up - you might be able to do it with 1U with liberal dremelling and loss of composite. ;)
[15:40] <Hexxeh> people buy VPSes for cheap, maybe it'd be cool to do rpi based servers
[15:41] <Hexxeh> i'm thinking you could cram quite a lot of them into a quite small space
[15:41] <Hexxeh> heat isn't an issue
[15:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, btw I've had word back on "volume" if you are interested
[15:41] <BenO> volume (attenuation in dB) on the given player as a 24.8 fixed
[15:41] <BenO> point number. Negative values (up to -24.0dB) amplify the signal, but
[15:41] <BenO> clipping could then occur.
[15:41] <Hexxeh> ah
[15:41] <Drazyl> Hexxeh management of the individual units would be the problem
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[15:42] <Hexxeh> Drazyl: in what way?
[15:42] <Hexxeh> you mean SD cards etc?
[15:42] <Drazyl> Hexxeh you'd need to arrange a way to individually power them on and off to hard reboot if necessary
[15:42] <Hexxeh> yeah, that's true
[15:42] <Hexxeh> but if you're only dealing with tiny voltages
[15:42] <Drazyl> Hexxeh and ideally need an HDMI/USB switch that supports as many ports as you have pi's in case you need console access
[15:42] <Hexxeh> you could probably even design that yourself
[15:42] <Drazyl> Hexxeh it's possible, but just a hassle
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[15:43] <Hexxeh> you can get HDMI switches dirt cheap
[15:43] <Drazyl> Hexxeh yeah but can you get a 32/64 way one?
[15:43] <Hexxeh> i think it might actually be cost effective
[15:43] <Hexxeh> no, but they chain quite well
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[15:43] <Hexxeh> and lets be honest, you'd probably just have your console plug into the pi
[15:43] <Drazyl> but it's certainly an intresting thought
[15:44] <Drazyl> yup, that is another alternative, have a management pi or 2
[15:44] <Hexxeh> it'd provide /total/ isolation from other users
[15:44] <Hexxeh> i know stuff like xen/kvm is isolation
[15:44] <Drazyl> or you could use a serial console and multiplex it
[15:44] <Hexxeh> but that doesn't protect you from problems with the physical node
[15:44] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[15:45] <Hexxeh> seeing the guy running his site on one with nodejs made me think about it
[15:45] <Drazyl> it would certainly be an interesting project
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[15:45] <Dagger2> Hexxeh: I came to the conclusion that it'd probably be cheaper to just use VMs
[15:46] <Hexxeh> Dagger2: i'm not sure there'd be much in it
[15:46] <Drazyl> the R-Pi v2 needs an edge connector for all the signals
[15:46] <Hexxeh> only network
[15:46] <Hexxeh> you can power it via GPIO pins
[15:46] <Dagger2> obviously it'd be nice having your own dedicated RPi, but... I think the VM host for an equivalent number of them would be cheaper
[15:46] <Hexxeh> well if you charged people a setup price equivalent to the cost of a Pi
[15:46] <Hexxeh> and the other bits of equipment needed to set it up, SD card etc
[15:47] <Hexxeh> your other costs would basically just be the colo for the unit
[15:47] <Hexxeh> i'm out of touch with what colo costs these days
[15:47] <Hexxeh> but i can't imagine that being much per pi
[15:47] <Dagger2> your bandwidth fees would be silly though, since you'd need bandwidth for 70 servers
[15:47] <Dagger2> or however many fit... I think it was about that many in a 3U case
[15:48] <Hexxeh> how much bandwidth do you think a pi is /really/ going to push
[15:48] <Hexxeh> say about ??100 for 3u incl bandwidth
[15:48] <Hexxeh> ??1.42/m per pi
[15:48] <Drazyl> you won't get decent co-lo in the UK for that
[15:49] <Drazyl> not for 3u
[15:49] <Hexxeh> not saying it has to be UK based
[15:49] <Dagger2> but you can get VPSs with 256 MB of RAM, 8 GB of disk space etc for about that price
[15:49] <Hexxeh> cheaper if it weren't
[15:50] <Hexxeh> i've seen $75/m for 2U
[15:50] <Drazyl> you probably want your co-lo somewhere near you
[15:50] <Drazyl> otherwise changing parts gets real expensive :)
[15:50] <Hexxeh> oh yeah, i'm not saying i'll be doing it myself
[15:50] <Hexxeh> just saying the idea is cool in theory
[15:50] <Hexxeh> i mean
[15:50] <Drazyl> no, I get that
[15:50] <Hexxeh> i might get my uni to stick a few pis in their racks once i get more
[15:50] <Hexxeh> but not as a business
[15:50] <shirro> If a part dies you just isolate it and use another
[15:51] <Hexxeh> yeah, have a few to swap the SD card into
[15:51] <Hexxeh> and just swap the broken Pi out
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[15:55] <BenO> Seems the open beta for the 'Playstation Suite' has begun: http://www.playstation.com/pss/developer/index_e.html
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[15:58] <OneFix_Work> So, has there been any indication when board 10,001 will be made and shipped?
[15:58] <Hexxeh> see the update on raspberrypi.org
[15:58] <Matt> you'd just do serial console on em
[15:58] <Matt> save all the hassle of trying to switch video and keyboard signals
[15:58] <OneFix_Work> Hexxeh: I read the newest update...everything right now seems to be talking about the first 10,000
[15:59] <Hexxeh> OneFix_Work: that's all the information that's available right now
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> 17 on ebay.
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> 4 on BIN even
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[16:01] <BenO> It does seem a way to make a quick buck
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[16:02] <Drazyl> can't believe people would spend up to ??200 rather than just wait a bit
[16:02] <Dagger2> and a sensible way, if you don't need your RPi for the next 2-3 months
[16:02] <Dagger2> since you can turn one RPi + time into one RPi + money, which is the rational thing to do if the loss of time isn't a problem
[16:03] <BenO> I think most 'users' would be better off waiting for a few months
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Drazyl: If you're making HW, it may be a good investment
[16:03] <Drazyl> SpeedEvil - maybe, but is it wrong to think if you're relying on the R-Pi for a commercial hardware solution you're doing it wrong?
[16:03] <SpeedEvil> Drazyl: I mean to sell stuff to the x000 peeps
[16:04] <Drazyl> fair enough
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> For example, if you have a add-on board.
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> being able to verify it works would be nice
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[16:04] <Drazyl> still seems mad to me
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[16:09] <Hexxeh> just setup my shared pi
[16:09] <Hexxeh> http://pi.hexxeh.net
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[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[16:10] <Hexxeh> gonna provide some devs who want to compile something on real hardware with access
[16:10] <huene> hmm. will i get access if i want to compile "hello world"? :)
[16:10] <Hexxeh> no
[16:11] <huene> worth a try
[16:11] <Hydrazine> hehe
[16:11] <M0RBD> Here we go... the current state of society
[16:11] <M0RBD> http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/04/you-cant-fix-stupid/
[16:11] <M0RBD> honestly
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[16:12] <jamesglanville> GAH. Have my pi, have no mini usb cable, since i thought it was micro -_-
[16:12] <Hexxeh> jamesglanville: I almost did that
[16:12] <Veryevil> it is micro
[16:12] <Veryevil> like phone chargers
[16:12] <Hexxeh> It is a microUSB cable you need
[16:13] <Matt> folk haven't used mini in a while
[16:13] <jamesglanville> oh wrong way round then, but i still don't have one
[16:13] <Hexxeh> Thankfully I remembered my Nexus One came with one
[16:13] <jamesglanville> time to scrounge one from someone else around here :(
[16:13] <Matt> IIRC, because mini isn't rated for as many insertions
[16:13] <Hexxeh> is it not?
[16:13] <Hexxeh> odd, mini looks the more durable of the two
[16:13] <jamesglanville> I thought it was because micro pops out more easily you dont wear the board out
[16:13] <Matt> they were talking about it on theamphour this week
[16:14] <Matt> google suggests: Micro USB connectors are designed for 10000 insertion cycles, which is double that of mini USB's 5000
[16:14] <Hexxeh> crazy
[16:14] <BenO> jamesglanville, you can power it via the gpio pins
[16:14] <Hexxeh> shame the HDMI port isn't as durable
[16:15] <jamesglanville> BenO: yeah I'm going to, but I can't boot my pi this instant :(
[16:15] <Hexxeh> BenO: if you have something that can supply the appropriate voltage/current, and also that bypasses the polyfuse
[16:15] <jamesglanville> are iphone chargers any good?
[16:15] <Hexxeh> depends how old
[16:16] <Hexxeh> some of the newer ones can supply 1A
[16:16] <Hexxeh> so i'm using one of those for one of my pis
[16:16] <jamesglanville> yeah it's an iphone 4 one, can supply 1a, just checking there wasn't anything weird about it
[16:16] <Hexxeh> works great, same one I use
[16:16] <Hexxeh> iPad ones work fine, too
[16:17] <jamesglanville> ok thanks
[16:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, jamesglanville yeah - it's not entirely recommended :)
[16:17] <jamesglanville> argh, maplin has them at ??9!
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM - on cheap PSUs
[16:18] <BenO> jamesglanville, and an htc one? something without the Apple tax?
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> And why they can be a bad plan
[16:18] <jamesglanville> yeah :(
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[16:19] <BenO> SpeedEvil, OMG ! :)
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> In short - don't believe the labels.
[16:25] <OneFix_Work> I was expecting to see "kits" show up with all of the components you need for your rPi (minus the display of course)
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[16:26] <OneFix_Work> I'm sure they will show up, but with only ~10,000 potential customers right now, it's probably not a lucrative market
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[16:27] <SpeedEvil> And the other problem is the devs haven't had early access to hw
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> which they needed
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> There absolutely needed to be a hw dev program.
[16:27] <SpeedEvil> With ~50 devices
[16:28] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: I think they were hoping that the first 10,000 would be that project
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> that'd be reasonable if availability were easy
[16:28] <Hexxeh> OneFix_Work: they exist, but they're massively overpriced
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> For example - the dev boards could have been sent out pre-approval
[16:28] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Problem is, the distributors made them skip that phase
[16:29] <jamesglanville> the 10,000 would have been well-assigned if maybe there was 2-3 times that many people trying to get them, and the keen devs more likely to get there first
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[16:29] <jamesglanville> I feel a bit less guilty I got mine in that i'll be developing reprap stuff at least a fair bit with it
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[16:31] <OneFix_Work> jamesglanville: They would have been best off GIVING AWAY say ~100 boards and making people submit requests for boards to explain why they should get one.
[16:31] <jamesglanville> yeah that's true, though I guess combing through the thousands of requests would be tricky
[16:31] <Drazyl> also they'd then have all the claims of elitism and winging and whining that goes with it
[16:31] <OneFix_Work> jamesglanville: Create some sort of requirement that if you actively participate in testing, the board becomes yours at the end of the development phase, otherwise you have to return the board.
[16:32] <Dagger2> make them submit the request via a github clone+pull request
[16:32] <jamesglanville> hard to enforce?
[16:32] <jamesglanville> oh that's a good idea
[16:32] <Dagger2> that'll cull the requests down to, at least, people that can manage to use git
[16:32] <Drazyl> all requests must be in binary
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[16:32] <OneFix_Work> Drazyl: All requests must be signed with your digital signature :)
[16:33] <OneFix_Work> Drazyl: It's actually pretty simple. Let the community decide who gets the 100 or so developer boards by allowing registered users to vote
[16:33] <Drazyl> now that would be interesting
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[16:34] <Drazyl> but probably controversial
[16:34] <Drazyl> I'd still not get one
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[16:34] <tpresence> Anyone have issues with the pi on your tv going beyond the edges by an inch, and being at 1280x720 instead of a 1080 res?
[16:34] <Drazyl> are we sure there isn't a #raspberrypisecretdelivery channel and the requests are being served there?
[16:35] <passstab> don't forget these ones are beta
[16:35] <OneFix_Work> Drazyl: Not really, I would assume that even if 10% got theirs that shouldn't have, they're still going to have to return them and you still get 90 good developers.
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[16:35] <shirro> Eben jumps onto #raspberrypi and hands out a URL. It is open for 20 minutes. Anyone who registers their email jumps to the head of the queue. Problem solved.
[16:36] <Drazyl> yes, but we must not favour the real developers over the media device consumers, because that's simply not FAIR
[16:36] <OneFix_Work> tpresence: Few people on here actually have a rPi, so you're not going to get much help from here...try posting on the forum.
[16:36] <BenO> tpresence, sounds like overscan - are you using the most tip-top new drivers/kernel?
[16:37] <shirro> Drazyl: It is called #qt-onpi
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[16:37] <tpresence> I just installed the most recent debian
[16:37] <OneFix_Work> Drazyl: If they were giving out boards to developers, then noone has a right to complain that they didn't get one.
[16:37] <tpresence> since its hdmi, I dont really have control over the tv rez/zoom
[16:37] <Drazyl> OneFix_Work sadly that wouldn't stop it
[16:38] <OneFix_Work> Drazyl: Well, tough cookies :)
[16:38] <Matt> oh jeez
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[16:39] <BenO> tpresence, there is a program in /opt/vc/bin called tvservice - you might be able to change the HDMI mode to 1080 using that
[16:39] * Matt waits for the brits to groan
[16:39] <BenO> tpresence, there is also hdmi_mode in http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[16:39] <jamesglanville> owch, wifi adapter gives:
[16:39] <jamesglanville> DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[16:39] <BenO> tpresence, if you are confortable doing so, you can get the latest /boot files and firmware from the github repo
[16:39] <passstab> ShiftPlusOne, i'm still trying the qemu thing
[16:39] <tpresence> ben: cool, I will look at those options
[16:40] <passstab> and i get
[16:40] <tpresence> looks like there are overscan settings there
[16:40] <BenO> tpresence, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[16:40] <BenO> tpresence, those settings might take it the other way :)
[16:40] <tpresence> is there a way I can see what firmware is on it?
[16:41] <passstab> kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init
[16:41] <ukscone> Drazyl / OneFix_Work: they did allocate some to known dev's -- qt people and a few working on distros and other bits and bobs -- i think about 600 were kept back for devs and media needs out of the 10k run
[16:41] <BenO> tpresence, The 13/04 debian image came with the firmware from the repo a little before that. Aside from that, I'm not sure they are clearly versioning them, but I could be wrong
[16:42] <OneFix_Work> ukscone: Yea, too bad that the devs are going to be getting theirs at the same time as the unwashed masses
[16:42] <tpresence> There arent instructions on how to load/burn the firmware with these
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[16:42] <ukscone> 400 for qt ppl, a few for tv/newspapers and a 100 or so for devs that had been working with them and a few spares for emergencies and foundation members etc
[16:42] <BenO> ukscone, I would be nice if a few of those boards made it to alsa, xorg and similar devs! :)
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[16:42] <Blazemore> Hi
[16:42] <Blazemore> Why is there no little disk space available when I'm using a 16Gib card?
[16:43] <ukscone> BenO: some people were offered then in some groups and said no thanks so i don't know if they were even interested
[16:43] <BenO> Blazemore, if you just dd'd the image to it, it'll have the same partitioning as for a 2Gb card
[16:43] <OneFix_Work> BenO: Well, once the boards get into full production, it would be nice if the foundation gave out dev boards every so often to "good causes"
[16:43] <Drazyl> Blazemore have you expanded the partition to the size of the card or is it still 2gb?
[16:43] <ukscone> and the plan was to have the 600 or so out there before the general release but certs and the jack messup delayed that
[16:43] <Blazemore> BenO: Can I resize it with gparted without losing everything?
[16:43] <jamesglanville> OneFix_Work: I'd be surprised if they can afford to
[16:44] <jamesglanville> Blazemore: yep
[16:44] <BenO> ukscone, did they push the usual broadcom-style NDA? I know of groups that would flatly refuse if that was a condition
[16:44] <Drazyl> Blazemore you can do it with the pi booted
[16:44] <Blazemore> Wow nice
[16:44] <jamesglanville> Drazyl: how?
[16:44] <Blazemore> Drazyl: By which you mean *you* can
[16:44] <passstab> OneFix_Work, they have enough karma already
[16:44] <BenO> Blazemore, are you on the deb image?
[16:44] <Blazemore> Drazyl: Could you please tell me how?
[16:44] <OneFix_Work> jamesglanville: Actually, they could setup a site that allowd micro-payments to be made by community members to different causes
[16:44] <Blazemore> Yes I'm on debian image
[16:44] <Blazemore> http://pi.roryholland.co.uk
[16:44] <Drazyl> Blazemore OK, logged on as root you need to do the following
[16:44] <Blazemore> OK
[16:44] <BenO> Setting up a few bounties wouldn't go amiss
[16:45] <Drazyl> first type "mount" and paste the response here
[16:45] <ukscone> BenO: not as far as i know but there were soem groups offered last year who basically said no thanks why would we want to work on such rubbish so they went to the back of the list this time
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[16:45] <ukscone> a few of the large dev groups are among that list
[16:45] <Blazemore> Ugh Putty copy
[16:46] <Drazyl> :)
[16:46] <Blazemore> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[16:46] <OneFix_Work> ukscone: That's one of the problems with the open source community. Some of the devs seem to have an elitist attitude
[16:46] <ukscone> and there is nothing that they'd need to know that would be under an nda anyway
[16:46] <Blazemore> Is that the relevent line?
[16:46] <BenO> ukscone, fair enough. Do you know if they consider having drivers for the hw a priority?
[16:46] <BenO> they being the foundation as a whole
[16:46] <ukscone> BenO: yes also and X are a priority
[16:47] <ukscone> people are working on them but who exactly i dunno
[16:47] <OneFix_Work> BenO: There's already drivers for the hardware...the rPi is pretty much the same hardware as the Roku 2 which has been out for some time now
[16:47] <Blazemore> Drazyl: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cEkPvmYR
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[16:48] <BenO> OneFix_Work, there are drivers and then there are working drivers
[16:48] <BenO> The Roku2 is likely using the OpenMAX IL direct
[16:48] <Drazyl> Blazemore OK, thats good - if you are happy (there is always a chance this'll trash stuff), you need to do the following:
[16:49] <Drazyl> Type "fdisk /dev/mmcblk0"
[16:49] <OneFix_Work> BenO: Well, when everyone ordered from the first 10,000 they should have realized that not every aspect would work at 100%.
[16:49] <Drazyl> that'll take you into the disk partitioner
[16:49] <BenO> ukscone, okay - I mean I am slugging away at the ALSA drivers but I don't know who else is aside from popcornmix (Dom?) on github
[16:50] <Drazyl> we'll then do the following, remove the partition info for the swap partition and root partition (whoever created it put the swap in the wrong place, bah)
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[16:50] <Blazemore> Yeah I thought that was annoying
[16:50] <Drazyl> we then recreate the root partition starting at the same place, but bigger, and recreate the swap partition at the end of the disk
[16:51] <Blazemore> So I have to delete the root partition?
[16:51] <Blazemore> It's not destructive until I hit 'w' isn't it?
[16:51] <tpresence> beno: overscan is going to solve it
[16:51] <Drazyl> then after a reboot we resize the file system to match (It's ext3 root yes?)
[16:51] <jamesglanville> hmm, what sort of current can the rpi source from its usb ports? it's not enumerating my reprap -_-
[16:51] <Drazyl> I'll take you through it
[16:51] <Blazemore> Drazyl: afaik it's ext3
[16:52] <jamesglanville> ext4
[16:52] <BenO> jamesglanville, start from the PoV that it sources sweet FA and work up ;)
[16:52] <jamesglanville> hmph, i feared as much
[16:52] <shirro> BenO: have you had a look at the libomxalsa package in debian? bypass the buggy kernel driver?
[16:52] <Blazemore> OK deleted those partitions, now I need to make a root one starting in the same place, but bigger, leaving space for swap at the end?
[16:52] <Drazyl> OK, so in fdisk, type "d" to delete and then "3" to remove the swap
[16:52] <BenO> I think the kinect I plugged in managed to get 100mA
[16:52] <BenO> but not enough for it to work properly
[16:52] <Drazyl> then "d" and "2" to remove the root
[16:52] <Blazemore> Yes I've done that
[16:53] <Drazyl> then "n" for new and "p" for primary
[16:53] <Drazyl> "2" for a new root part
[16:53] <Blazemore> 1233
[16:53] <Drazyl> first sector is 1233 same as before
[16:53] <Blazemore> Now some maths
[16:53] <Drazyl> yup :)
[16:54] <OneFix_Work> BenO: Presumably, it may work on the Model A though...
[16:54] <zgreg> jamesglanville: the USB ports can provide up to 140mA
[16:54] <jamesglanville> BenO: I hadn't really thought about this before, I forgot my eeepc happily sources an amp on each port
[16:54] <jamesglanville> zgreg: cheers
[16:54] <Drazyl> what does it give as the default last sector at the mo
[16:54] <Blazemore> it's OK I worked it out
[16:54] <Drazyl> cool
[16:54] <Blazemore> Default last sector - size of swap = 241201
[16:54] <zgreg> USB only needs to supply 100 mA by default
[16:54] <BenO> jamesglanville, It's why I mentioned a powered hub last time :)
[16:54] <Drazyl> then "n" "p" "3" to create the swap again
[16:55] <Drazyl> yup, that looks right
[16:55] <BenO> jamesglanville, even though hubs can block
[16:55] <zgreg> if devices want more, they need to ask the host for it, up to 500mA
[16:55] <Blazemore> Why is the default starting cylinder 1?
[16:55] <Drazyl> something to do with alignment I think
[16:55] <jamesglanville> BenO: yeah that'd have been a good idea, I think I can get my reprap powering more of itself from its burly 12v supply so ill try that first
[16:55] <Blazemore> OK partitions are set
[16:55] <Drazyl> then "t" to set partition types
[16:55] <Blazemore> OK
[16:55] <Drazyl> "2" "83"
[16:55] <BenO> shirro, I hadn't seen that driver - I had assumed that the firmware one was created for a reason :)
[16:56] <BenO> shirro, I'll take a look
[16:56] <Drazyl> and "t" "3" "82" for the swap
[16:56] <Drazyl> "p" to list it again and check it all looks sane
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[16:56] <Blazemore> yup, no overlapping or anything
[16:56] <Drazyl> OK "w" the changes
[16:56] <shirro> BenO: not sure if it is in squeeze or not. I imagine at the least it would reaquire some changes to the source and recompile
[16:57] <Blazemore> A gap where the swap used to be, but I have a 16Gib SD card so no issue
[16:57] <Blazemore> So now write, reboot and pray?
[16:57] <Drazyl> yup, reboot and you should boot up, disk space will be the same
[16:57] <Drazyl> then as root "resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2" - it should report doing an online resize
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[16:58] <Blazemore> Well ssh is alive so the reboot worked
[16:58] <Blazemore> OK I'm running that
[16:58] <Drazyl> when it's done try "df"
[16:58] <Blazemore> on-line resizing :)
[16:58] <Drazyl> you should see more space
[16:59] <Blazemore> I'll check webmin
[16:59] <Blazemore> Webmin is fun
[16:59] <BenO> shirro, it's another thing to try, and something promising :)
[16:59] <Drazyl> you might need to "mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p3" as well
[17:00] <Blazemore> Yes I will
[17:00] <Blazemore> and swapon
[17:00] <Drazyl> then "swapon" yup
[17:00] <Blazemore> Well TIL how to do gparted stuff over SSH without a GUI
[17:01] <Blazemore> Very useful
[17:01] <Blazemore> Thank you Drazyl
[17:01] <Drazyl> no problem
[17:01] <Veryevil> you shouldn't use swap with sd cards?
[17:01] <Drazyl> you shouldn't use swap at all
[17:01] <Blazemore> I need swap, I'm running a webserver
[17:01] <Drazyl> but when you need it it's better than nothing
[17:01] <Blazemore> I'm not having it crash, I'd rather it thrashed a slow disk
[17:01] <Matt> Blazemore: till your SD card expires
[17:02] <Blazemore> hehe true Matt
[17:02] <Blazemore> They're cheap though
[17:02] <Matt> attach a USB hard disk and put your swap there :)
[17:02] <Veryevil> use a usb flash drive
[17:02] <Hexxeh> just given first developer access to my shared Pi
[17:02] <Drazyl> nfs mount
[17:02] <Blazemore> Yeah that might work
[17:02] <Hexxeh> i'm in the UK, he's connected via VNC/SSH from Thailand
[17:02] <des2> Your webserver should reject connections if it runs out of memory.
[17:02] <Matt> Drazyl: have you ever run a system with swap on nfs?
[17:02] <Hexxeh> CPU usage is tiny
[17:02] <Hexxeh> Goddamn this is awesome
[17:03] <Drazyl> Matt no, and I don't want to
[17:03] <Drazyl> :)
[17:03] <freiguy1> Hexxeh can I have an account? :)
[17:03] <Matt> Drazyl: I have
[17:03] <Matt> it's painful
[17:03] <freiguy1> user*
[17:03] <Hexxeh> freiguy1: Do you have a project you need to compile on the Pi?
[17:03] * Matt had a little HP 340 terminal
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[17:03] <Matt> it had a monochrome framebuffer
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[17:03] <Drazyl> Matt actually, that's not true, I might have done years ago, an walnut embedded board
[17:03] <Matt> and a 68020 CPU IIRC
[17:03] <Matt> it had *no* local storage at all
[17:03] <jamesglanville> hmm, it'd be useful to have a dhcp server on my pi instead of a client, then i'm not stuck if it loses the ip *gets to work
[17:03] <freiguy1> Hexxeh: nope, just want to experiment! I'm actually @ work now though, and don't have port 22 open
[17:04] <Drazyl> the whole rootfs was nfs and I might have used swap. don't remember
[17:04] <Matt> so you had to netboot it over 10M ethernet
[17:04] <Matt> and it only had 4M RAM
[17:04] <Drazyl> Matt sounds familiar
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[17:04] <Hexxeh> freiguy1: Given that there's a limited about of power, I'm restricting it to developers with projects they can show me first
[17:04] <Matt> so if you wanted X, you really needed some swap
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[17:05] <Blazemore> Do you know how much power the thing draws?
[17:05] <Drazyl> Matt I managed to get Linux running on a laptop with 2Mb with X and no swap once
[17:05] <Hexxeh> A few watts, not much
[17:05] <Matt> Hexxeh: such as folk who have qemu developed stuff they need to test on real hardware?
[17:05] <Hexxeh> yes Matt
[17:05] <Hexxeh> stuff that needs the VideoCore too
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[17:05] <Drazyl> you could run a single xterm, but that was about it, don't try and run anything from the xterm :)
[17:06] <Hexxeh> Blazemore: if it's 5V, and max 700ma draw, then that's peak draw of 3.5w i guess
[17:06] <freiguy1> Hexxeh: Good idea. Is there some sort of raspberry pi emulator where I could just do some evaluation? I can't run an arm-based OS virtually on my pc, correct?
[17:06] <Blazemore> Hexxeh: Was it you helping me the other day with my lack-of-power issues?
[17:06] <Matt> "oops"
[17:06] <Hexxeh> freiguy1: you can, there are lots of guides out there, QEMU will let you do that
[17:06] <Matt> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/olympics-organizers-ask-keith-moon-to-play-closing-ceremony-20120413
[17:06] <Hexxeh> Blazemore: don't think so?
[17:06] <Blazemore> Turns out it was a dodgy SD card image, it's fixed now and working
[17:06] <Hexxeh> Blazemore: good to hear regardless
[17:06] <Blazemore> Well whoever it was, thanks for suggesting the sd card as the problem when I assumed it was power
[17:07] <Caver> :)
[17:07] <des2> freguy1 lots of people have been running Pi emultors on their PCs.
[17:07] <Caver> was someone asking if they could use a Pi remotely?
[17:07] <Blazemore> As opposed to what? I haven't got the bloody display working yet
[17:08] <Hexxeh> i'd love it if someone who had the know to write the required X11 accel stuff connected and had a stab at working on it
[17:08] <Blazemore> I've got it shoved down the back of my sofa
[17:08] <freiguy1> I'm just out of the loop... Thanks guys. First time on the IRC and gotten some good info :)
[17:08] <Blazemore> How can something so tiny and crap run an entire webserver with MySQL?
[17:10] <jamesglanville> Caver: I'm running mine over ethernet only, the wifi usb doesnt work, and i have no screen or tv, but at the moment i have dhcp server on my laptop, and the pi isn't being good at getting a new ip address if it loses it (dont know why that happens either)
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[17:10] <tpresence> with rpi connected to a gigabit switch to another host connected to a gigabit switch, the pi can do 79.2Mbits/sec
[17:10] <tpresence> not too bad
[17:10] <Matt> tpresence: thanks - I've been waiting for someone to tell me that :)
[17:10] <Matt> I asked earlier in the week
[17:10] <tpresence> I just set mine up 10 minutes ago
[17:11] <Matt> whatcha use to get that number?
[17:11] <tpresence> thats not hosts on the same switch
[17:11] <tpresence> its hosts on two switches that connect to a central switch
[17:11] <tpresence> but its gig all the way
[17:11] <tpresence> I use iperf
[17:11] <Matt> good stuff
[17:11] <Matt> that's not bad at all
[17:11] <tpresence> (tcp)
[17:11] <tpresence> testing udp
[17:11] <Hexxeh> tpresence: curious, how short is the cable from the pi to the switch?
[17:11] <passstab> ShiftPlusOne, http://paste.debian.net/163819/
[17:11] <Matt> be intresting to see what you get with some other usb activity going on
[17:11] <jamesglanville> i'm really impressed by how responsive my pi is just for things like apt-get and stuff which have always been slow on the embedded hardware i have (which is all lousy)
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[17:12] <Matt> tpresence: any chance you could hook up a usb drive to that and do a little IO in the background?
[17:12] <tpresence> udp not as good
[17:12] <tpresence> 1.05Mbits/sec
[17:12] <Matt> that's not "as good"
[17:12] <jamesglanville> anyone got mplayer to work with audio on the pi?
[17:12] <Matt> that's bordering on abysmal
[17:12] <tpresence> with 1470 byte datagrams and 64kbyte udp buffers
[17:13] <BenO> jamesglanville, I have, sort of
[17:13] <jamesglanville> BenO: how? and what do you mean sort of?
[17:14] <BenO> jamesglanville, I mean, yes i have got it running through the alpha alsa drivers and I mean 'sort of' because it hangs after an indeterminate amount of time
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[17:15] <tpresence> wait wait
[17:15] <BenO> jamesglanville, the simpler the app that uses the alsa drivers, the better.
[17:15] <tpresence> this ver of iperf udp defaults to crappy bw default
[17:15] <tpresence> when I set it to 100mbit, it got 67mbit
[17:15] <tpresence> 1 datagram out of order
[17:16] <tpresence> so its not nearly that bad :D
[17:16] <BenO> jamesglanville, so ogg123 or any other dumb player should work okay, but the smarter it is, checking for latency, reasserting volume, etc, the more likely it will hand
[17:16] <tpresence> lol
[17:16] <BenO> hang*
[17:16] <shirro> BenO: it is kind of silly using something like mplayer though when there is a library which can do all the decoding in the gpu. I just found the openmax stuff for my board. will help fill the weeks until I get a Pi.
[17:16] <jamesglanville> BenO: cool thanks, i'll have a play
[17:16] <tpresence> matt: you wanting to check how usb transfers over ethernet work?
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[17:16] <jamesglanville> shirro: this can be added to mplayer though surely?
[17:16] <shirro> I think it has been
[17:16] <Matt> tpresence: the ethernet adaptor is USB attached
[17:17] <Hexxeh> does OpenMAX actually do the decoding, too?
[17:17] <Hexxeh> my despotify thing passed PCM to openmax il
[17:17] <Hexxeh> i didn't realise you could have it do decoding for audio too
[17:17] <BenO> shirro, I don't know the capabilities of the components hidden behind the OpenMAX interface - I know there is a video component that does h.264 but it would be nice to get info on any other components like that
[17:17] <tpresence> keep in mind that is not parallelizing the transfers...or changing the window size
[17:17] <Matt> tpresence: so I'm intrested to know how much of an impact on network IO having other USB activity going on generates
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[17:18] <BenO> OpenMAX IL ~= interface layer abstraction for hw multimedia components
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[17:18] <BenO> quite possible to have OpenMAX IL sitting in front of just one component that streams PCM alone.
[17:19] <passstab> can i use a debian .iso instead of the img in qemu?
[17:19] <BenO> I need to read more on it, but it feels like OpenGL, but where there is no minimum capability and everything is extensions
[17:20] <tpresence> if you parallelize the transfers, even 4 concurrent causes some udp issues...so dont do it unless you have some udp error checking built
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[17:20] <tpresence> let me put my 2TB drive on the pi and try files
[17:21] <Caver> passstab, yes
[17:21] <BenO> tpresence, I guess it's a spinning disc HD? would be interested to hear if it can get enough power
[17:21] <BenO> or does it use external power?
[17:21] <Matt> BenO: a 2TB disk will be externally powered
[17:21] <Matt> cause it'll be 3.5"
[17:22] <hotwings> does the rpi even supply a full 500mA?
[17:22] <BenO> Matt, I don't keep up with these things too much - I have a 1Tb on my desk that is host powered :)
[17:22] <Matt> hotwings: nope
[17:22] <tpresence> it has an external power supply
[17:22] <Caver> hotwings, nope think it's fused at 1A total, so the max it can do is 1A plus it's current usage - about 0.7A ...
[17:22] <Matt> I still like the suggestion of using a powered hub and powering the pi from it :)
[17:23] <jamesglanville> is this likely to work? http://freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX
[17:23] <tpresence> this is with a 5vdc/550mA power supply connected to the pi
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[17:23] <Matt> Caver: that sounds wrong
[17:23] <Matt> 1A is a hell of a lot
[17:24] <mjr> Matt, 1A _at input_
[17:24] <Matt> is still a lot :)
[17:24] <mjr> it's not that much, given that the Pi (B) eats most of that
[17:24] <Matt> that's a whole 5W
[17:24] <tpresence> 44.4mbit/sec from usb
[17:24] <tpresence> thats fat32
[17:25] <BenO> jamesglanville, That's the right sort of ballpark, but I think we need to locate code for the different components of the bcm2835 and see which of those can be stolen
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[17:25] <piless> as per the spec, usb 2 won't give any more than 500mA without the data connections being tied off
[17:25] <Matt> tpresence: ok, now do your network test at the same time as your fileio tests :)
[17:25] <tpresence> 1.5GByte file
[17:25] <jamesglanville> BenO: ok I assumed it wouldn't be easy
[17:25] <tpresence> that IS the network test
[17:25] <Matt> ah
[17:25] <tpresence> you can use a file as an input
[17:25] <Matt> in which case that's not too bad
[17:25] <tpresence> its not
[17:25] <tpresence> udp is probably more likely though
[17:25] <BenO> jamesglanville, It may be that easy - I can't tell without docs on what that SoC can provide! :)
[17:26] <BenO> OpenMAX is all abstractions it seems - I glanced through the first 100 pgs last night of the spec... :S
[17:26] <Matt> BenO: and I'm guessing the abridged datasheet doesn't help?
[17:26] <jamesglanville> hmm, automake isn't in build-essential :s
[17:26] <M0RBD> tpresence: what do you use to benchmark it?!
[17:27] <tpresence> iperf
[17:27] <M0RBD> ok
[17:27] <tpresence> iperf is the benchmarking tool
[17:27] <tpresence> only one you ever need for systems
[17:27] <Matt> iperf is remarkably handy
[17:27] <BenO> Matt, the datasheet I've seen is about the peripherals (GPIO, the now lost I2S, etc) Is a proper one that I've missed?
[17:27] <tpresence> routers, something else
[17:27] <M0RBD> true
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[17:27] <M0RBD> I use that and bonnie
[17:27] <tpresence> so with udp is 28mbits
[17:27] <M0RBD> ++
[17:27] <Matt> BenO: nah, that's the only one that's available IIRC
[17:28] <M0RBD> iozone as well
[17:28] <tpresence> if you parallelize the transfer with udp you can get 40Mbits
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[17:28] <tpresence> there are some ack issues though, which might be serious if your udp proto doesnt do checking
[17:28] <tpresence> well, your udp app
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[17:32] <tpresence> parallelizing your tcp doesn't help, but up to 20 concurrent transfers (30GBytes overall) no issues, trying 50 now
[17:33] <M0RBD> tpresence: try transfer while also reading/writing to the SD
[17:33] <M0RBD> or a USB stick
[17:33] <BenO> Is the Ethernet hw done as Ethernet-on-USB?
[17:33] <tpresence> this is from a usb disk
[17:34] <tpresence> 50 probably isnt going to go well lol
[17:34] <tpresence> probably backing store issues at that point
[17:34] <tpresence> the sd will be the weakpoint...since its on the sd, and not large
[17:34] <tpresence> I was surprised at the 60Mbit/sec with 20 concurrent 1.5G tranfers
[17:35] <M0RBD> was this read or write?
[17:35] <tpresence> the client is reading the file and transferring it
[17:36] <tpresence> iperf doesnt do write I do not think
[17:36] <tpresence> (no server side file settings)
[17:36] <tpresence> the 50 concurrent still hasnt finished...so I have to assume bad results :D
[17:36] <tpresence> but 50 is ALOT for a device like this
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[17:36] <tpresence> even 10 is unlikely
[17:37] <mjr> BenO, yes
[17:37] <M0RBD> try using netcat
[17:37] <BenO> mjr, It did look that way :)
[17:37] <M0RBD> that would allow you to write to a file on either end
[17:37] <tpresence> yeah
[17:37] <tpresence> or I could scp
[17:38] <tpresence> but crypto is an inhibitor for perf testing
[17:38] <mjr> BenO, it's an integrated USB hub / USB ethernet chip (pretty nifty for what it is); it provides both the second usb port and the ethernet on the B
[17:38] <tpresence> and since they removed the nonce crypto option...
[17:38] <BenO> mjr, pretty nifty indeed :)
[17:39] <tpresence> I think 50 concurrent broke network connectivity
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[17:39] <tpresence> cant ssh in :D
[17:39] <M0RBD> heh
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[17:39] <tpresence> cant even stop it from running from the console it was on...have to go to the UI
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[17:39] <Drazyl> short on ram maybe?
[17:40] <tpresence> the total was 62.4Mbytes for the period I ran it
[17:40] <tpresence> still DAMN good
[17:40] <tpresence> (until it hung up, at whch point we were seeing about 950kbits/sec aggregate
[17:41] <tpresence> so how does one update the firmware?
[17:44] <M0RBD> Drazyl: or it runs out buffers
[17:44] <Drazyl> apt-get me a bigger computer
[17:44] <Drazyl> M0RBD that would be running out of ram
[17:44] <Drazyl> :)
[17:45] <M0RBD> ehum..
[17:46] <tpresence> this device actually works well
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[17:46] <M0RBD> tpresence: try to tweak the buffers, I bet they highly likely used default values.
[17:47] <zgreg> encryption?
[17:47] <zgreg> the pi will be horrible for that :D
[17:47] <M0RBD> heh
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[17:51] <tpresence> ok, trying to play media off of remote nas, both nfs and cifs
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[17:52] <jamesglanville> can you symink start.elf?
[17:53] <zgreg> tpresence: so you got just a bit over 60 mbps with iperf?
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> I recommend netcat, or netpipes
[17:55] <tpresence> yes, tcp, default windowing
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> works well for this sort of thing
[17:55] <tpresence> iperf is designed for specifically the testing Im doing
[17:55] <zgreg> well, 60 mbps is pretty lousy
[17:57] <zgreg> there's probably something wrong with your setup, at least for basic tcp transfers, the pi should be able to fully load fast ethernet
[17:57] <tpresence> I disagree. Why do you feel that way?
[17:57] <tpresence> I have tuned nothing. window sizes, buffers, and other parameters will likely make it better.
[17:57] <zgreg> because similar systems typically perform better
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[17:58] <zgreg> but maybe it's just the crappy usb nic
[17:59] <tpresence> 60mbits should be enough for almost anything other than a fileserver for multiple users
[18:00] <tpresence> even then it wont be lousy unless its all large files
[18:00] <tpresence> I also didnt attempt jumbo frames or anything similar yet
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[18:00] <zgreg> you have consider that the 60 mbps are more or less a best-case scenario
[18:01] <tpresence> I ran a 20 concurrent 1.5Gbyte transfer setup, and still received 64Mbits
[18:01] <tpresence> (concurrent Mbits)
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[18:01] <des2> What's 64M * 8 ?
[18:01] <mjr> 512M
[18:01] <zgreg> tpresence: yes, but the benchmark is doing nothing but network i/o
[18:02] <tpresence> I actually had it reading from a file on a usb attached device during that test
[18:02] <des2> What's the maximum USB 2 transfer speed ?
[18:02] <zgreg> did you serve the file through the network?
[18:03] <zgreg> des2: you have to divide by 8 to get megabytes per second, not multiply
[18:03] <tpresence> this isnt loopback testting
[18:03] <mjr> 480Mbit/s, though with considerable overhead
[18:03] <tpresence> this goes from the pi -> gig switch -> gigswitch -> gig switch -> destination node
[18:04] <zgreg> tpresence: three switches inbetween?
[18:04] <tpresence> yes
[18:04] <des2> <tpresence> the total was 62.4Mbytes for the period I ran it
[18:04] <tpresence> hp procurves
[18:04] <des2> Thought it was Mbytes
[18:04] <tpresence> sorry, Mbits
[18:04] <zgreg> a typo, I guess?
[18:04] <tpresence> not bytes
[18:04] <des2> ah k
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[18:04] <tpresence> 1.5Gbytes transfer per concurrency, 62.4Mbits aggregate BW
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[18:05] <des2> ok I was just wondering if the maximum speed wan't USB maximum speed cause it's Ethernet over USB
[18:05] <des2> But it seems much slower
[18:05] <mjr> USB can saturate fast ethernet
[18:06] <zgreg> tpresence: ok, maybe the added latency affected your measurements
[18:06] <tpresence> the latency is nearly non-existant
[18:06] <zgreg> but really, I'd expect 80-90 mbps typically, even on the pi, for basic tcp transfers
[18:06] <zgreg> but much less for real applications
[18:08] <tpresence> these are all hp procurve switches with backplanes and fabric to easily handle 50x the bandwidth I used in my home
[18:08] <tpresence> wire is all cat 6, no anomalies
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[18:09] <tpresence> the pi isnt the only device running (I have 38 ethernet connected systems in my home), but its not being affected by the other devices, I can assure you.
[18:09] <zgreg> can you do a real "NAS" test?
[18:09] <BenO> >> tpresence ... (I have 38 ethernet connected systems in my home) ... O.o
[18:10] <tpresence> NAS how
[18:10] <tpresence> I tried it with a 2tb usb disk attached to the pi
[18:10] <tpresence> to a remote node
[18:10] <tpresence> beno: I know, I know. People always say Im insane...but I have been a network/security guy for 20+ years and I work from home most of the time
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[18:11] <tpresence> keep in mind, this is a 10/100 phy on the board
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[18:11] <tpresence> so it isnt truly "gig"
[18:12] <tpresence> the other end device, and the entire path is gigabit, however
[18:12] <zgreg> well, sure :)
[18:12] <tpresence> with tuning, and if it supports jumbo frames, we might see a significant increase
[18:13] <zgreg> how did you actually test a NAS-like setup?
[18:13] <BenO> tpresence, no, that's all fair enough - I just don't want to pay your elec bill! ;)
[18:13] <tpresence> without jumbo frames, if we get 10% better throughput through tuning I would be surprised
[18:13] <tpresence> $450+/month :(
[18:13] <zgreg> and what kind of bandwidth did you get?
[18:13] <tpresence> and I have a small place
[18:13] <tpresence> 2tb disk -> rpi -> network -> remote node
[18:14] <zgreg> what about the network part? did you use nfs or smb?
[18:14] <BenO> tpresence, Egad!
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[18:14] <tpresence> hold on, hold on
[18:14] <tpresence> you want me to export the filesystem to a remote system and check transfer rates
[18:15] <zgreg> would be great to see what it achieves in practice, at least
[18:15] <tpresence> just to see how it handles nfs/smb in addition?
[18:15] <zgreg> there are so many people that want to use the pi as a cheap NAS, I bet they'll be disappointed
[18:16] <zgreg> in addition? well, those are probably the most-used network filesystems!
[18:16] <tpresence> right, but I probably wouldnt use this for a nas
[18:16] <zgreg> neither me, but I'm still interested in it
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[18:18] <tpresence> especially since I put in a qnap turbonas 639 pro :DC
[18:18] <tpresence> but Ill test it if you like
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[18:22] <tpresence> Starting NFS common utilities: statd.
[18:22] <tpresence> Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning).
[18:22] <tpresence> Not going to happen without a kernel recompile
[18:23] <zgreg> oh well
[18:23] <tpresence> maybe raspbmc has it?
[18:24] <zgreg> i've heard the standard kernel is also crippled in other ways
[18:24] <zgreg> who the hell built this?
[18:24] <tpresence> its a first run :D
[18:24] <tpresence> right?
[18:24] <BenO> Indeed :)
[18:24] <tpresence> They probably assume some things that match most of the peoples needs
[18:24] <tpresence> maybe one of the other linux os builds have it
[18:24] <zgreg> yeah, but still
[18:25] <zgreg> well, apparently many USB devices aren't supported by the standard kernel build either
[18:25] <zgreg> it's quite strange
[18:25] <Drazyl> is that down to trying to keep the image below 2gb?
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[18:26] <tpresence> so far the wireless keyboard and mouse, and my mass storage have been.
[18:27] <des2> "I have 38 ethernet connected systems in my home". You're gonna need a bigger connection...
[18:27] <tpresence> these raspbmc "mirrors" arent mirrors at all
[18:27] <tpresence> in fact, I dont see files
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[18:31] <jamesglanville> it's surprising how acceptable compiling is on the pi, i'm compiling gstopenmax + libomx and its fastish
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Anything much smaller than the kernel doesn't take long
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[18:35] <M0RBD> zgreg: agreed regarding the kernel... standard would be just compile the most needed into the kernel and then load everything else as module..
[18:35] <M0RBD> space isn't really an issue these days...
[18:35] <M0RBD> unless you use CF cards @ 16MB from pre 1999
[18:36] <Caver> lol
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[18:37] <M0RBD> tpresence: what switch do you use?
[18:37] <Caver> lightswitch
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[18:38] <tpresence> the ones I use are procurve 2848s
[18:38] <tpresence> you can buy them used reasonably cheap and they have lifetime warranties last I checked
[18:38] <M0RBD> hp ok
[18:38] <tpresence> (I used to drive hp/agilents global WAN until I quit 2 years back)
[18:39] <tpresence> since they bought palm/3com they may have changed that (as all switches are 3com branded now)
[18:39] <passstab> anyone who can help me with...
[18:39] <passstab> http://paste.debian.net/163819/
[18:40] <passstab> ?
[18:41] <Caver> you could turn off sound output with qemu
[18:41] <Caver> as it doesn't seem to like your sound setup
[18:43] <passstab> how?
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[18:45] <jamesglanville> does anyone know if you can symlink the start.elf file?
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[18:45] <Caver> no you can't - it's a FAT filesystem, which doesn't support that
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[18:46] <jamesglanville> oh I forgot it was fat, of course :(
[18:47] <zgreg> M0RBD: yes, 50 MB or so for the kernel modules wouldn't matter, really
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[18:50] <chronofast> 100,000 ordered: http://liliputing.com/2012/04/over-100-thousand-raspberry-pi-35-computers-ordered.html
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[18:50] <Caver> passstab, http://linuxindetails.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/ao_alsa-alsa-lib-conf-c3406config_file_open-usrsharealsapulse-alsa-conf-may-be-old-or-corrupted-consider-to-remove-or-fix-it/
[18:51] <M0RBD> zgreg: I do however remember the days it was an issue :D
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[18:54] <namfonos> ok so i literally just got my pi. does it turn on just by plugging the power in?
[18:55] <namfonos> im using my samsung micro usb charger which i believe meets requierments
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[18:56] <Caver> yup
[18:56] <Caver> though you'll need a SD card with some linux software on it too
[18:57] <namfonos> so nothing is going to show up if i don't have the sd card?
[18:57] <namfonos> no logo or anytihng?
[18:57] <Caver> correct
[18:57] <Caver> it needs the boot loader from the SD card to so that
[18:57] <namfonos> balls, i didn't expect it to get here as quick as it did and i didn't order one yet
[18:57] <Caver> if you plug it in, you'll get a tiny red power light and not much else!
[18:57] <namfonos> ya got it thanks
[18:57] <Caver> oh no!
[18:58] <namfonos> well im just going to use the one from my phone
[18:58] <namfonos> for now if it works
[18:58] <namfonos> we'll seee
[18:58] <namfonos> it'll be a multi purpose sd phone/pi
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[18:58] <M0RBD> zgreg: another thing I lack on the pi is provision for tftpd boot
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[19:01] <Caver> well there is no BIOS as such
[19:01] <Caver> just the world dumbest boot loader
[19:02] <passstab> Caver, thanks
[19:03] <M0RBD> no need for a BIOS really... Could be contained within SOC
[19:03] <Caver> hehe my point was, the programming in the SoC is fixed
[19:03] <des2> Which is why it needs the SD card to boot
[19:03] <Caver> nothing the foundation can do will change it
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[19:12] <BenO> jamesglanville, are any of the libomx code components compatible with the stuff in the GPU on the Pi?
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[19:16] <IT_Sean> Hullo
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[19:16] <BenO> Your superhero alterego, IT_Sean ?
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Hmm?
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[19:16] <BenO> Ultimate Ubuntu! ;)
[19:16] <tpresence> the alsa drivers are entirely broken. I understand that they were released only on the 16th, so maybe thats why
[19:16] <tpresence> right now, the pi wont play audio for me
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Oh, freenode requires you to use your account primary to connect with SASL, which is required for cell connections
[19:17] <BenO> Ah :)
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Hence the nick change
[19:17] <BenO> tpresence, mostly broken :)
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[19:18] <passstab> ok now that message went away
[19:18] <passstab> but qemu still shuts down early
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[19:20] <passstab> kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[19:20] <Kostic> ahahaaha....
[19:21] <M0RBD> Caver/dec2: I was not talking about the Broadcom but SMSC chip.. but itseems it does not contain any provision for this... strangly it has WOL among features.
[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, what do you see before that?
[19:22] <passstab> is there a way to copy and paste from qemu?
[19:23] <piless> passstab: Yes
[19:23] <tpresence> beno: do you know how to update the firmware? The documentation on the firmware site is non-existant
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1176 -hda archlinuxarm-01-03-2012.img -nographic -no-reboot -kernel zImage -append "root=/dev/sda panic=1 console=ttyAMA0"
[19:23] <piless> passstab: Screenshot tool and an ocr reader
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> actually make that root=/dev/sda2
[19:23] <tpresence> can you just cp the files from firmware/boot to /boot and firmware/modules/ to /lib/modules?
[19:24] <passstab> zImage: No such file or directory
[19:24] <passstab> qemu: could not load kernel 'zImage'
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> replace with your kernel obviously
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> kernel-qemu
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> instead of zImage
[19:25] <passstab> oh sorry
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[19:26] <passstab> http://paste.debian.net/163832/
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[19:26] <ShiftPlusOne> your version of qemu is messed up
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> use -cpu arm1136 or the git version
[19:27] <passstab> oh
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> try -cpu arm1136 first
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> to make sure
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[19:31] <jamesglanville> I had to use -cpu arm1136-r2, nothing else worked for me
[19:31] <passstab> sucsess!
[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, which kernel and what version of qemu?
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[19:33] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: kernel-qemu, I forget which guide I got it from, and Debian 1.0.50-2012.03-0ubuntu1
[19:33] <passstab> BTW i'm using the debian testing qemu
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> compile your own qemu, people.
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're fine with 1136
[19:35] <passstab> is 1136 a lot slower?
[19:35] <jamesglanville> I just wanted to play with it, so didn't care or look into why it wasn't working, real hardware > slow qemu
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's not a matter of speed
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[19:36] <passstab> what's the diff yo?
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[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> slightly different instruction set, I would guess. So if you get a binary that's optimized for 1176, it might not work for 1136, but i'd imagine that's rare, for now.
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[19:38] <passstab> you should put notes about that
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[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps
[19:39] <anon9002> Has anyone who ordered from AlliedElec got their Raspberry Pi yet?
[19:41] <passstab> i ordered from them
[19:41] <passstab> i called yesterday
[19:41] <passstab> and they said i'll get mine by the 1st
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[19:42] <anon9002> when did you place your order?
[19:42] <passstab> ~mar 5
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[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> why would they have any and not be listed as an official distributor?? O_o
[19:44] <IT_Sean> O.o
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[19:44] <passstab> will there be any problems dding an image i updated on 1136?
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[19:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah "RS Components is part of the Electrocomponents group, which trades as RS across the world except in North America where it trades as Allied Electronics."
[19:46] <ShiftPlusOne> passstab, no, it should be fine.
[19:46] <Matt> morning
[19:46] <passstab> cool thanks
[19:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Morning, Mr. Matt.
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> Morning?
[19:48] <IT_Sean> Where the heck is it still morning?
[19:49] <passstab> who are we morning?
[19:49] <piless_> australia
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[19:50] <tpresence> anyone updated the firmware on the disk image?
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[19:50] <Matt> IT_Sean: I blame lack of an RTC... :)
[19:51] <passstab> RTC?
[19:51] <tpresence> copying the firmware files into the fs and rebooting is a bad thing.
[19:51] <Matt> realtime clock
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[19:52] <passstab> as opposed to game time?
[19:52] <piless_> turn on timestamps in your client
[19:52] <Matt> as opposed to time from the system timer :)
[19:52] <BenO> tpresence, what files did you transfer?
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[19:53] <BenO> I did a full transfer last night at some point - Hexxeh do you remember when that was? with the HDMI out changes?
[19:53] <tpresence> /boot to /boot /modules to /lib/modules /opt to /opt
[19:53] <piless_> passstab: why?
[19:53] <Hexxeh> remember what/
[19:53] <passstab> i can't even c/p
[19:53] <piless_> child porn?
[19:53] <Hexxeh> tpresence: i've done that before
[19:53] <BenO> tpresence, I only did /boot and a few choice modules (ones I was interested in)
[19:54] <passstab> unless it's a link :(
[19:54] <BenO> Hexxeh, updating /boot from the latest on the repo
[19:54] <piless_> passstab: my xchat automatically copies anything highlighted
[19:55] <Hexxeh> should work fine
[19:55] <passstab> is it xchat or xchat-gnome?
[19:55] <piless_> xchat-wdk!
[19:55] <BenO> tpresence, what happened? did it not boot up again after you transferred over the new stuff?
[19:56] <passstab> oh
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[19:57] <Matt> piless_: apart from the fact that I was being funny... how would turning on timestamps help if I didn't have accurate system time? :)
[19:58] <jamesglanville> hmph, no good rpi 3d printed case designs :( here goes my evening
[19:58] <passstab> OHHHHH
[19:58] <BenO> I wonder who is insane enough to try Ludum Dare on the Pi this weekend?
[19:58] <passstab> i get it
[19:58] <passstab> piless_, thanks
[19:58] <piless_> Matt: In my client I said that before you said system timer. Soooooo
[19:58] <BenO> jamesglanville, The ones I saw looked a bit basic, yeah :(
[19:59] <cperrin88> Hey .... I tried figuring out how I get sound to work and surfed the forums a bit. I have copied the new start.elf and loaded the kernel driver but no sound via aplay...
[19:59] <passstab> i was looking for a copy button in the right click menu
[19:59] <cperrin88> Did I miss something?
[19:59] <passstab> :P
[19:59] <jamesglanville> BenO: it's tricky to work out what to do that doesn't mess up the possibility of adding a gertboard/whatever
[19:59] <BenO> cperrin88, where is the video coming out - HDMI or composite?
[20:00] <cperrin88> BenO: Tried both ut I get sound from composite only in the demo
[20:00] <cperrin88> HDMI no sound
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[20:00] <piless_> passstab: ctrl+c and ctrl+v also work
[20:00] <BenO> the "hello_audio" demo?
[20:00] <cperrin88> BenO: yes
[20:01] <BenO> the hello_audio demo uses the OMX directly - bypassing alsa
[20:01] <cperrin88> I know
[20:01] <BenO> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835 ?
[20:01] <cperrin88> done
[20:02] <BenO> look for a log msg of "### BCM2835 ALSA driver init OK ### "
[20:02] <BenO> in kern.log
[20:02] <BenO> tail /var/log/kern.log
[20:03] <BenO> Did you grab the latest module too? One shown here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/sound/arm
[20:04] <cperrin88> nope
[20:04] <BenO> There are few things that are fixed in that build
[20:04] <cperrin88> I have the message but not the new driver
[20:05] <BenO> You can get an oops with the older driver if you try hard enough :)
[20:05] <BenO> grab the new one, and pop it in /lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/sound/arm
[20:06] <BenO> then sudo modprobe -r snd_bcm2835 && sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835 and you should have some semblance of alsa sound working
[20:06] <cperrin88> thanks
[20:06] <BenO> jamesglanville, there was a laser cut 'case' for it, which left the gpio exposed
[20:06] * IT_Sean still thinks his idea of a nicely done, handmade wooden case would be groovy
[20:07] <BenO> jamesglanville, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-p-1071.html
[20:07] <piless_> But if I leave the gpio exposed how will the case protect the pi from my freqently spilled beverages?
[20:07] <IT_Sean> piless_: Duct tape
[20:07] <BenO> IT_Sean, yeah, properly carved, borrowing some motifs from Skyrim ;)
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[20:08] <cperrin88> BenO: Still nothing ....
[20:08] <Matt> IT_Sean: a nicely made clear acrylic case would be nice as well I think
[20:08] <BenO> cperrin88, and the video is coming out of the HDMI?
[20:08] <cperrin88> yep
[20:08] * IT_Sean was thinking of a simple block of wood, rounded off, with the LEDs piped out, and a raspi logo laser etched on somewhere
[20:08] <BenO> And the device you've plugged into can play hdmi audio and it's not muted or anything like that?
[20:08] <IT_Sean> With a nice hand polished gloss finish
[20:09] <BenO> IT_Sean, I can see where you are coming from on that :)
[20:09] <IT_Sean> :)
[20:09] <BenO> piping the leds might be a little fiddly
[20:09] <IT_Sean> I'd des
[20:09] <Matt> the end result would be beautiful tho
[20:09] <piless_> IT_Sean: Stain it charcoal grey aswell
[20:10] <IT_Sean> I'd desolder the current ones, then use large dome LEDs, which would be cut down and sanded flush to the case
[20:10] <BenO> cperrin88, And the device you've plugged into can play hdmi audio and it's not muted or anything like that?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> I've done that before on other stuff... The effect is pretty cool, if done well
[20:10] <piless_> I hate LEDs on devices. Especially blinking blue ones.
[20:10] <cperrin88> BenO: It can play over HDMI (it's a TV) and it's not muted
[20:10] <jamesglanville> BenO: I've decided to go for a three piece design i'm about to make for a rounded box style - a two part box that jigsaws together at the bottom, so that you can get the pi in with its ports, then a sliding lid that holds the whole thing together
[20:11] <piless_> What you should do is stick the pi onto a tree trunk, wait 10 years and then cut it out.
[20:12] <BenO> cperrin88, Hmm in that case, post an issue to the github with your TV details. You said that no audio out of hdmi for the hello_audio test either? Worth mentioning too
[20:12] <Matt> IT_Sean: how about a nice diecast aluminium box?
[20:12] <BenO> jamesglanville, Nice - see you in four or five hours then? ;)
[20:12] <jamesglanville> BenO: I'll post it here later :)
[20:12] <cperrin88> BenO: hello_audio played over the headphone plug
[20:12] <IT_Sean> Wood > aluminum
[20:13] <Matt> IT_Sean: in most applications :)
[20:13] <piless_> anodised aluminium > wood
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Meh... I prefer a wood fishing to a metallic finish
[20:13] <IT_Sean> Finish*
[20:13] <Matt> be nice if you did a case with chassis mounted connectors and internal pigtails
[20:13] <IT_Sean> (bloody autocorrect)
[20:13] <IT_Sean> I was planning that already
[20:14] <Matt> then the whole thing could be weatherproofed
[20:14] <IT_Sean> Move all e ports to the back
[20:14] <Matt> you could even stick a USB hub in there
[20:14] <piless_> IT_Sean: Make the case a little bit bigger and intergrate a powered usb hub (which also powers the pi)
[20:14] <Matt> so you can bring out a few more USB ports
[20:15] <IT_Sean> These are all brilliant ideas
[20:15] <Matt> piless_: I see we are thinking along the same lines
[20:15] <piless_> Matt: I think I stole your idea from earlier
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[20:15] * IT_Sean should be careful he doesn't actually commit to building this thing
[20:15] <piless_> buy a dremel
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[20:15] <chronofast> is this the wooden case talk?
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Yes
[20:16] <piless_> cigar box
[20:16] <chronofast> niiice
[20:16] <IT_Sean> No... Cigar boxes are usually crap wood. I'd want something nicer as my starting material
[20:16] <piless_> IT_Sean: Stop buying cheap cigars then
[20:16] <hotwings> only crap cigars are sold in crap cigar boxes
[20:17] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't know, since I don't smoke
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Filthy habit
[20:17] <Matt> IT_Sean: I agree
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[20:17] <Kostic> Guys, I need to upload something for a friend... Suggest me an site without registration and such... No 4shared.
[20:17] <hotwings> cigars dont bother me but cigarettes are absolutely disgusting
[20:17] <piless_> cigar smoke smells great
[20:17] <Matt> just hollow out a piece of 2x4...
[20:17] <piless_> Plus you don't inhale cigar smoke
[20:17] <BenO> My current 'case' http://yfrog.com/z/obaj7aij
[20:18] <IT_Sean> Matt, I had planned to hollow out a cube of 4x4
[20:18] <hotwings> i think ill make a case out of plexiglass and rearrange all the connectors to be on one side
[20:19] <cperrin88> Should there be sound in hello_cideo?
[20:19] <Matt> IT_Sean: yeah, but prolly something nicer than construction lumber :)
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[20:19] <IT_Sean> Of course
[20:19] <chronofast> walnut would be great, nice heavy grain
[20:20] <BenO> cperrin88, nope, just video
[20:20] <IT_Sean> Isn't that a bit dark?
[20:20] <IT_Sean> I prefer something lighter
[20:20] <hotwings> would be kinda cool if the foundation-made cases are actually in the shape of their logo
[20:20] <chronofast> http://www.hardwood-floors-laminate-floor-carpet-flooring.com/wood-types.jpg
[20:20] <hotwings> and injection molded of course
[20:21] <piless_> chronofast: you forgot mdf
[20:21] <hotwings> bamboo not listed on that site.. lame
[20:21] <chronofast> it was just from a quick google search, have any better sites?
[20:21] <Kostic> " and that stupid raspberry pi... if I hear that one more time I am going to burn a building down"... Hm, you're not liked on cat-v... xD
[20:22] <piless_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_woods
[20:22] <chronofast> great pictures on there
[20:23] <piless_> you didn't ask for pictures
[20:23] <chronofast> i also didn't ask for snark, but i got that anyway
[20:23] <piless_> and it was free
[20:23] <IT_Sean> With piless, the snark comes as standard.
[20:23] <piless_> so be thankful
[20:24] <hotwings> is snark some kind of uk slang or something?
[20:24] <piless_> http://i.imgur.com/OyNb9.jpg
[20:24] <piless_> hotwings: It was a weapon in hl1
[20:25] <hotwings> ah. i havent played that in years. dont remember it
[20:25] <piless_> hotwings: http://images.wikia.com/half-life/en/images/6/62/Snark_w.jpg
[20:25] <BenO> hotwings, yep Brit slang - sarcastic that sort of thing
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[20:26] <hotwings> ahh those things
[20:26] <hotwings> i wish valve would release (or make for that matter) hl3
[20:26] <piless_> I thought it was a mix between a sneeze and a bark?
[20:27] <hotwings> thats better than a snart i guess
[20:27] <IT_Sean>
[20:27] <piless_>
[20:27] <piless_> A creature defined in Lewis Carroll's "The Hunting of the Snark". Decribed as those creatures "that have feathers, and bite, and those that have whiskers, and scratch".
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[20:27] <piless_> "If your Snark be a Snark, that is right:
[20:27] <piless_> Fetch it home by all means???you may serve it with greens,
[20:27] <piless_> And it???s handy for striking a light.
[20:27] <piless_> You may seek it with thimbles???and seek it with care;
[20:27] <piless_> You may hunt it with forks and hope;
[20:27] <piless_> You may threaten its life with a railway-share;
[20:28] <piless_> You may charm it with smiles and soap??????
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[20:30] <piless_> IT_Sean: you could always make it out of particle board
[20:30] <IT_Sean> Yucch
[20:31] <piless_> mdf it is then
[20:31] <xlq> MDF D:
[20:33] <IT_Sean> If I had a raspi, I'd be tempted to make the wooden case for it
[20:33] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[20:33] <IT_Sean> But, I don't. So. This is all a pipe dream
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[20:34] <hotwings> rpi + cardboard case = winner
[20:35] <hotwings> what else would be good... how about carving a case from stale/hard bread
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[20:36] <BenO> hotwings, chocolate might be a good demo ;)
[20:36] <piless_> ShiftPlusOne: what was that for?
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> what was what for?
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[20:37] <piless_> ShiftPlusOne: oppage
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I was tempted to kick chanserv to see what would happen, but worried it will ban me or something....
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[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it's like a big red button saying "don't press" in my mind
[20:37] <IT_Sean> You cannot kick chanserv
[20:37] <IT_Sean> It won't let you
[20:37] <piless_> DOOOOOo IT
[20:38] <passstab> go for it
[20:38] <piless_> chanserv raped your father
[20:38] <IT_Sean> Piless, easy there
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[20:38] <passstab> piless_, he might not be kicking chainserv
[20:39] <piless_> you need to avenge him
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[20:43] <mozzwald> anybody tried the pegasus usb ethernet driver? i cant get it to work
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[20:58] <tntexplosivesltd> piless_: isn;t particle board MDF?
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[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> oh chipboard
[20:59] <tntexplosivesltd> gotcha
[20:59] <hotwings> not the same
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[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, MDF can be worked no a better finish
[21:03] <tntexplosivesltd> * to a
[21:04] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: try rimu =P
[21:04] <tntexplosivesltd> it's really hard and comes up looking awesome
[21:05] * SpeedEvil explodes in laughter.
[21:06] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm?
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[21:06] <SpeedEvil> - At the combination of 'MDF' and 'better finish'.
[21:06] <_av500_> cases are simple: http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/File:Panda-greenbox.jpg
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[21:07] <tntexplosivesltd> well, better than chipboard
[21:07] <IT_Sean> That looks like arse
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[21:08] <BenO> no need to click on that link to find out, methinks
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[21:10] <xlq> Ahhaha, the Pandaboard box :D
[21:10] <Matt> IT_Sean: it does indeed
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[21:11] <Matt> although at one point I had a fully functioning IBM XT that was just mounted to a piece of plywood using standoffs
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[21:13] <Matt> but the lack of mounting holes on the pi makes such a design less of an option
[21:14] <_av500_> use clamps
[21:16] <des2> Get a drill and make your own holes...
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> hot-melt
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[21:16] <_av500_> bubble wrap
[21:17] <Matt> ok, I have a candidate for most useless KB entry
[21:17] <Matt> http://kb.lsi.com/KnowledgebaseArticle16382.aspx?Keywords/16382
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[21:17] <SpeedEvil> It's not useless
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> It provides useful info that a warning is benign.
[21:18] <Matt> SpeedEvil: that doesn't help that the system is spewing it every 10 seconds
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[21:22] <des2> Warning: This warning can be safely ignored.
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[21:23] <cperrin88> BenO: I got some sound out of my rpi. I set the output to the Audio Jack manually .... now it's jsut the HDMI sound that's bothering me ...
[21:24] <BenO> cperrin88, very odd - not sure why it shouldn't be pumping it out. All I can suggest is try different cable/tv
[21:24] <cperrin88> BenO: It's not like I have a few HDMI enabled TVs standing around :D
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[21:25] <BenO> cperrin88, I know - but it's the only way to see if it is just your current combination I think :(
[21:26] <cperrin88> I know that the TV plays sound over HDMI I did that with my PC several times and it worked flawlessly
[21:26] <IT_Sean> Got a different hdmi cable then?
[21:26] <BenO> cperrin88, I don't doubt that :)
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[21:28] <cperrin88> IT_Sean: I do ... I'll try
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[21:30] <tpresence> are there docs on updating the pi's firmware?
[21:31] <tpresence> (with the debian OS)
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[21:34] <cperrin88> No change
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[21:38] <cperrin88> At least I have sound
[21:38] <cperrin88> Do you think that if I placed the full firmware from github on the SD card it mioght work?
[21:39] <freiguy1> has anyone set theirs up as an experimentation machine where one can make a username (through a web interface? or request one via email?) then get, say 20MB of space when logging in thru ssh?
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[21:40] <BenO> tpresence, not so much - it's just a case of replacing files in the /boot and /modules really - you cant affect the code on the gpu that does the boot
[21:40] <tpresence> I did that, but the system wouldnt post afterward
[21:40] <BenO> cperrin88, I don't think that would make much of a difference, but it is worth trying - /boot + /modules
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[21:42] <BenO> tpresence, wouldn't even get a flicker on the green light?
[21:42] <Matt> freiguy1: yes, there's someone here who's done that
[21:42] <tpresence> got the LEDs thats it
[21:42] <tpresence> no ether, no hdmi
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[21:42] <Matt> but he's only giving access to developers who can demonstrate a need to run stuff on the real hardware
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[21:43] <freiguy1> Matt: cool, I suppose deviants could be a little destructive if he opened it up to anyone?
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[21:44] <freiguy1> he or she*
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[21:49] <Matt> freiguy1: that and it's a resource contention issue
[21:49] <Matt> if he opened it up to lots of people noone could get anything done
[21:50] <jamesglanville> seems like really anything you actually need a real pi for, you'll be poking hardware stuff and you won't know whether you broke something or someone else did
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[21:54] <SpeedEvil> you can't actually meaningfully test complie flag options forex without real hw
[21:59] <IT_Sean> To whomever swapped the 12v dc power supply in my office for a 48v ac one. Not funny. My office smells awful now. :/
[22:00] <xlq> O_o
[22:00] <xlq> What got ruined?
[22:00] <blue_k> Oh my 48v don't play well with 12v devices that's for sure
[22:00] <IT_Sean> Well. To be fair. The device did run on 48v. Just.... Not for very long.
[22:01] <blue_k> True, soon enough though the magic smoke comes out. What was it?
[22:02] <IT_Sean> Yeah, this released a fair. Bot of magical smoke.
[22:02] <Matt> IT_Sean: gah - that's highly annoying
[22:02] <Matt> hopefully it wasn't an expensive or hard to replace piece of kit
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[22:02] <IT_Sean> The device in question was a rather expensive prototype encryption unit. One of only three in existence.
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[22:02] <Matt> in which case, that's incredibly annoying
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[22:02] <Matt> and I'm surprised you're not threatening to go throttle someone
[22:03] <zgreg> a nice addition to the "GPU" in the raspberry pi would be encryption, by the way
[22:03] <BenO> Now the encryption is even more unbreakable!
[22:03] <zgreg> it's awefully slow on ARM11
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[22:04] <zgreg> AES for instance only achieves ~3MB/s
[22:04] <IT_Sean> Nah... It's. Ot a big deal... We make e dammed thing, so, it just goes back to the factory (down the hall, to the left, and down the stairs) to have a few bits replaced, and it'll be good as new.
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[22:05] <IT_Sean> And TEHN I throttle someone
[22:06] <IT_Sean> Hopefully, the power supply section sub board can be swapped out, and the main board itself is okay.
[22:07] <tpresence> lolol
[22:07] <tpresence> archlinux doesnt have ifconfig or netstat
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[22:07] <tpresence> but it has cracklibs?
[22:07] <tpresence> WTF
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[22:07] <blue_k> Quick question, can .5v above what a device uses cause any damage?
[22:07] <WASDx> tpresence: Yeah i was surprised too when it didn't have ifconfig
[22:07] <zgreg> blue_k: very unlikely
[22:07] <IT_Sean> blue_k: Depends on how well built the device is
[22:08] <zgreg> blue_k: for the raspberry pi that is
[22:08] <zgreg> blue_k: in general, this totally depends on the device
[22:08] <blue_k> It's not a Pi, but a laptop that uses 19v, I have an adapter that fits, but outputs 19.5v
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> blue_k: The regulator is - from memory - specced at an absolute maximum of 5.5V
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> blue_k: It's not going to cause damage
[22:08] <Tachyon`> are you sure ifconfig isn't just lurkign in /sbin outside the path?
[22:08] <blue_k> The other adapter broke
[22:08] <IT_Sean> That SHOULD be okay.
[22:09] <xlq> [21:05] <tpresence> archlinux doesnt have ifconfig or netstat
[22:09] <xlq> ...?
[22:09] <blue_k> Ok thanks
[22:09] <xlq> tpresence: pacman -Snet-tools
[22:09] <xlq> oops, pacman -S net-tools
[22:09] <zgreg> well, maybe arch folks think you should use the "ip" utility instead
[22:09] <zgreg> or is that not available either
[22:09] <IT_Sean> blue_k: I it all goes wrong, just run nosmoke.exe
[22:09] <IT_Sean> *if
[22:09] <xlq> zgreg: No, it's a matter of actually bothering to install the stuff you want.
[22:10] <tpresence> they are core needs for unix...I dont get how it saves space in a useful way
[22:10] <tpresence> i tried ifcfg but its a crippled piece of garbage
[22:10] <zgreg> xlq: of course, but the image should be shipped with a sensible default configuration
[22:10] <tpresence> add, del, remove
[22:10] <tpresence> thats it
[22:10] <xlq> zgreg: Oh, the image. I see.
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[22:11] <Wolfram74> is mid august an unusual ship date for newark?
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[22:11] <kallisti5> Wolfram74: see the website.. all raspberry pi's ordered by yesterday should ship before June
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[22:11] <kallisti5> Wolfram74: mine comes in today :D
[22:11] <Wolfram74> hrmmm
[22:12] <Wolfram74> then something is afoul in newark element14
[22:12] <kallisti5> expected
[22:12] <kallisti5> they already addressed it on the website
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[22:12] <kallisti5> (the Aug date)
[22:12] <kallisti5> anyone know what the options for config.txt are?
[22:13] <kallisti5> (in the bootloader partition) I can't find a list
[22:13] <Wolfram74> i see
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[22:14] <kallisti5> oop
[22:14] <kallisti5> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt :D
[22:15] <blue_k> IT_Sean: lol
[22:19] <Matt> IT_Sean: did nosmoke.exe work for your cube?
[22:19] <jamesglanville> any way to read the warranty void bit incidentally out of interest?
[22:20] <IT_Sean> Matt... Cube?
[22:20] <IT_Sean> Oooh
[22:20] <IT_Sean> No
[22:20] <IT_Sean> It still smells like burnt electronic arse in here
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[22:26] <Matt> IT_Sean: I remember that happening to a quad-opteron motherboard whilst doing a late night build that had to be delivered the following morning
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[22:26] <IT_Sean> Ooooooooh! Not good!
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[22:31] * Matt nods
[22:31] <Matt> luckily it was before our sales rep at our supplier went home and he managed to get one and stay at the office whilst someone ran over there to pick it up
[22:31] <Matt> and we got the system built and out the door on schedule
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Whew
[22:32] <tpresence> archlinux is just not for me
[22:32] <Matt> it was a stupid design - they put a fan header next to the PS/2 jacks
[22:32] <tpresence> 3 decades of unix experience - out the window :D
[22:32] <xlq> tpresence: What didn't you like about it?
[22:33] <Matt> so close that if you didn't notice, it ran the risk of shorting +5 to the chassis via the blanking plate
[22:33] <tpresence> aside from everything being changed
[22:33] <tpresence> like no startx, no ifconfig, no netstat
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Bad design
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[22:33] <tpresence> I dont see why they did that
[22:34] <xlq> Well you've got to install what you want, basically.
[22:34] <xlq> Although I suspect the Raspberry Pi version of it might reflect badly on the real thing.
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[22:37] <tpresence> not having netstate and ifconfig is an affront
[22:37] <tpresence> especially since cracklib is installed? Its not a space thing, its a bad decision thing
[22:40] <xlq> Yeah, but that's not Arch Linux.
[22:41] <xlq> Arch Linux doesn't even have an ARM version, so you're already off into "unofficial" territory before you've begun.
[22:41] <jamesglanville> what's netstate?
[22:41] <jamesglanville> ifconfig HAS to be everywhere though
[22:41] <xlq> Also cracklib is not for cracking passwords, it's for checking them, and is required by PAM.
[22:42] <freiguy1> hmm I thought arch linux does have an arm version: http://archlinuxarm.org/
[22:42] <IT_Sean> PAM?
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Who is PAM? :p
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[22:42] <xlq> freiguy1: It's a separate project.
[22:42] <xlq> IT_Sean: Pluggable authentication modules.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Oooh
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[22:43] <namfonos> can someone link me to the list of working sd cards
[22:43] <freiguy1> xlq: ok looks pretty close to an arm version of arch linux for me :)
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[22:44] <xlq> freiguy1: It's a separate project. On their front page, they say "We are based on Arch Linux".
[22:45] <SimonT> namfonos: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[22:45] <xlq> So if you find something you dislike in Arch Linux ARM, then it could be an Arch Linux ARM thing, or it could have been inherited from Arch Linux.
[22:45] <mjr> mm, slightly disappointing (seeing the RPi_config.txt documentation) that 1920x1200 doesn't seem to be in the cards
[22:46] <freiguy1> xlq: ok, I'm learning here, but I mustn't understand the distinguishing factor if it being a different project and it not. Say Debian? How are their versions different?
[22:47] <cperrin88> Is it normal that the Fedora Remix image boots into a kernel panic?
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[22:47] <_av500_> it's a remix after all
[22:47] <IT_Sean> That's a feature, not a bug.
[22:48] <cperrin88> ah okay
[22:48] <tpresence> Im using a class 4 sdhc card right now and it works
[22:48] <tpresence> and those suck
[22:48] <xlq> freiguy1: Anyone can create their own distribution based on another. Imagine you took Debian and created your own version and called it "Debian Bloo". It might or might not be extremely similar to Debian, but it's a separate project, separately managed.
[22:48] <tpresence> I have some class 10's but I dont need something that spiffy
[22:49] <freiguy1> xlq: right, right. Ok so probably different people, different goals etc.
[22:49] <namfonos> when you guys tried an sd card that didn't work what typically happned? just absolutely nothing? or was there at least some sign of attemtpted function?
[22:50] <cperrin88> I have no clue what Card type I have (it is not printed on the card) but it works well with debian ... you think 2GB is not enough?
[22:50] <namfonos> all i get is the red light when i plug my micro usb adapter in
[22:50] <namfonos> and my mouse light comes on but thats it
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[22:58] <oldtopman> End of june at the latest!
[22:58] <oldtopman> YEEEEAH
[22:59] <tpresence> I dont know about not having a swap partition either
[22:59] <tpresence> that doesnt make sense
[22:59] <tpresence> if anything at all
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[23:07] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: erm... this isn't you, is it? http://hexxeh.net/
[23:07] <Hexxeh> yep
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[23:23] <zleap> any idea how production is going for newer batches of the raspPI ?
[23:25] <_av500_> china has to mine more precious metals first...
[23:25] <zleap> ah
[23:26] <zleap> rs still has the express an interest page
[23:26] <_av500_> tons of raspberrium
[23:26] <zleap> lol
[23:27] <zleap> i guess i wasn't in the first 1000
[23:27] <zleap> otherwise i would have heard something by now
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[23:27] <cperrin88> zleap: Many people want one and I have one. It's cool and all but the software is jsut not there yet.
[23:28] <zleap> the basic OS is
[23:28] <cperrin88> Yes and no
[23:28] <zleap> or do you mean software so people can use it for other than development
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[23:28] <cperrin88> For example the sound doesn't work out of th box
[23:28] <zleap> ah
[23:29] <cperrin88> Most of the video players have n HW acceleration
[23:29] <zleap> ah, so i guess the sw needs to be written for that and included in the operating system
[23:29] <cperrin88> yep
[23:30] <zleap> right, hence they want these to go to developers not end users at the moment
[23:30] <cperrin88> So don't mind waiting because in the time you wait the software can be polished ;)
[23:30] <zleap> thats ok
[23:30] <zleap> i guess before long there will be enough to just order one
[23:31] <zleap> like any other product, even though some places have asked for loads of em
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[23:55] <cperrin88> Does anyone know why the debian kernel has no NFS server support compiled in?
[23:55] <Hexxeh> cperrin88: nope, but you can compile it in yourself i guess
[23:55] <Hexxeh> sources are available
[23:55] <xlq> Maybe it just got forgotten.
[23:56] <cperrin88> I never compiled a kernel
[23:56] <xlq> Well, now's a great time to learn :D
[23:57] <cperrin88> uhm ... well .... yeah
[23:58] <xlq> It's not hard at all, as long as you start with a known good config.
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[23:59] <BenO> cperrin88, http://elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation

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