#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-04-21

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[0:00] <Hexxeh> I wonder how many folks who have a Pi at the moment actually have a Spotify Premium account? :P
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[0:00] <haltdef> you'll have to pry CDs from my cold dead hands
[0:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, It would be an interesting proportion ;)
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[0:08] <OneFix_Work> Anyone thinking about using the rPi + a USB 3G data stick for remote monitoring?
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[0:12] <SpeedEvil> t-mobile pay-as-you go
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> 20 quid for 6 months at 500M/mo
[0:12] <Matt> mmmmmm, chorrizo burrito :)
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[0:13] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Right, something similar. You could essentially drop the rPi anywhere and have it send out notifications, upload photos, etc...it would make a killer remote monitoring system. You could even SSH remotely into the rPi if you needed to.
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[0:13] <Purgox_> :)
[0:14] <Purgox_> Back again.
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[0:14] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: And you can buy the USB 3G modem for ~$50
[0:16] <graingert> SpeedEvil: I don't see that deal
[0:16] <graingert> the best I've seen is ??5 for 500MB
[0:16] <Tachyon`> hrm, three do a good unlimited internet for 18 quid plan
[0:17] <BenO> There's also giffgaff which has a nice attitude to payg
[0:17] <Tachyon`> oh yes, I must activate my giffgaff sim
[0:17] <BenO> but they depend on the o2 network
[0:17] <Tachyon`> I'm on 3 on the old 3pay plan so free 3 to 3 calls, free skype etc.
[0:17] <graingert> BenO: yeah that was the 5 a mo I was talking about
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[0:18] <BenO> graingert, it's quite nice as I've had no hassle from them and it's easy to add in. The stinger is that data plans expire after 30days, so you have to use it!
[0:19] <graingert> have to use it?
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> graingert: they hide it
[0:19] <graingert> SpeedEvil: I see
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[0:19] <graingert> SpeedEvil: how does one locate it
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-as-you-go/boosters/
[0:20] <graingert> ha
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> click internet boosters, then 6 month internet booster
[0:20] <graingert> nice
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[0:20] <SpeedEvil> I think the quota is still 500M - I haven't checked the T+Cs recently
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[0:21] <graingert> ??20 for a stick isn't bad
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> IIRC some of the other networks were offering a SIM with 50M data that diddn't expire for 12mo
[0:21] <graingert> but I could buy a computer for that
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> no - that's the SIM
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> Well - it's actually the booster
[0:22] <graingert> 19.99 for the stick
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> you need to get the (free) SIM, top it up with - I think a fiver is the minimum - then 20/6mo
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> ah - not seen
[0:22] <graingert> can you add that booster to the stick :p
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> yes - if it's PAYG
[0:22] <graingert> does the stick let you swap out a sim?
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> all I've seen do
[0:23] <OneFix_Work> graingert: Yea, it has to...
[0:23] <graingert> SpeedEvil: what hardware do you use?
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> n900 phone
[0:23] <graingert> ah tether
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> Actualluy - that SIM is in my n950
[0:23] <graingert> yes I guess a cheap tethering phone would be useful too
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> My n900 has a '3' 'ipad' SIM in it
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> 7.50/mo for 1G/mo data
[0:24] <OneFix_Work> Huawei makes several USB stick 3G modems
[0:24] <graingert> absolutely atrocious
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> It can call and text too - but those are pretty expensive
[0:24] <Hexxeh> BenO: seen this before? audioplay_create: Assertion `error == OMX_ErrorNone' failed.
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[0:24] <graingert> I'm surprised there hasn't been civil war over the price of mobile broadband
[0:25] <OneFix_Work> graingert: No, ever looked at the price per MB of SMS?
[0:25] <graingert> my SMS are ??10 for "unlimited"
[0:25] <graingert> so that's not too bad
[0:25] <BenO> Hexxeh, Oo that's a new one on me :)
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> Also - t-mobile - out of bundle prices - if you're actually sending one or two packets a day - PAYG may work out cheaper
[0:26] <graingert> for monitoring I might recommend using GG->GG phone calls
[0:26] <graingert> or GG->GG texts
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> 1K is about 1p.
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> So 1K/day is under a fiver a year
[0:26] <graingert> giffgaff to giffgaff is 10/3mo
[0:27] <SpeedEvil> Which is quite enough for some apps
[0:27] <graingert> still doesn't beat T-mobile though
[0:27] <zgreg> funny thing is, in the beginning SMS were free
[0:27] <zgreg> because they don't cause any notable load on the work
[0:27] <zgreg> *network
[0:27] <graingert> are SMS integrated into the protocol properly now we have HSDPA
[0:28] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Yea, but everyone should learn how to do it...because it comes in handy during emergencies...
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[0:29] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: During Katrina, the same towers that were half-working and would give fast-busy signals to phones in the area were able to get messages out to family.
[0:29] <zgreg> OneFix_Work: err... what are you replying to?!
[0:29] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: SMS
[0:29] <zgreg> ahh
[0:29] <zgreg> well, everybody knoews how to use SMS here, really
[0:30] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: A "broken" cell tower will still get messages out
[0:30] <zgreg> SMS are EXTREMELY popular in germany
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Towers can handle a _lot_ more SMS messaegs than calls.
[0:30] <zgreg> even my mother can do it :D
[0:30] <Matt> mmmmm
[0:30] <Matt> that was tasty
[0:30] <zgreg> yes, obviously
[0:31] * Matt nods
[0:31] * Matt is now full of meat, rice, beans, etc
[0:31] <OneFix_Work> zgreg: Yea, but most people would just assume that the tower is "broken" if they can't get a call out, but an SMS message is very low bandwidth...it's like a single packet...so the phone would simply hold on to the SMS and send it when the tower is able to take it
[0:32] <Matt> depends on how frequently the phone retries
[0:32] <Matt> my N95 has a really long delay between retries
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> It's also dependant on the network
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> A _lot_ of the retry and similar behaviour is net-side set
[0:33] * Matt nods
[0:33] <OneFix_Work> Matt: True...but in the case of an emergency where towers are down or not working, the phone will hop around and as soon as it connects, it will try to get its message out.
[0:39] <Hexxeh> BenO: how are you copying data into the buffer the library provides for audio? memcpy?
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[0:42] <jamesglanville> BenO: http://i.imgur.com/m3keL.jpg is my new case design, where you can pick the lid/base that you want, so you can adjust mounting without printing the whole thing
[0:43] <BenO> Hexxeh, There is a few functions that use the 'vchiq' processes to do that - queue up the data and pass it over.
[0:43] <Hexxeh> BenO: It's the passing over I'm talking about
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[0:43] <Hexxeh> I've gotten a pointer to the buffer it returns, but I'm using memcpy to copy my audio data into there. Is there a faster way?
[0:44] <BenO> Hexxeh, linux/drivers/misc/v04_services/interface/vchiq and others there do the actual copying
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[0:45] <Hexxeh> BenO: I mean inside the application :P
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[0:46] <Hexxeh> I'm getting chirping/knocking sounds, like a buffer underrun or something, it's running out of audio data in it's internal buffer
[0:47] <BenO> Hexxeh, the drivers pass data from sound/arm/bcm2835-vchiq.c by passing pointers to data in CPU ram to "vchi_bulk_transmit" and its kin from vchiq_shim.c
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[0:47] <BenO> Hexxeh, the VCHIQ process that is running or should be running at -20 priority is the component that does the work
[0:48] <Hexxeh> Rather than copying my audio data, I wonder if I can just give it a pointer to my own internal audio buffer...
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[0:48] <Hexxeh> Since it should take it's own copy immediately anyway
[0:48] <BenO> jamesglanville, that's cool
[0:49] <BenO> Hexxeh, it should but it's mired down in the notion of loading queues to be pushed across to the video core ram for playback
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[0:49] <Hexxeh> BenO: http://pastebin.com/f2maGYmf
[0:49] <BenO> "Basically we have a message passing interface to GPU (vchiq) where blocks of audio are sent (copied to GPU memory space). The GPU adds these to an audio output fifo (with resampling/mixing/volume scaling).
[0:49] <BenO> However ARM wants to know progress. On GPU we can measure the latency between a sample being submitted and it being heard, so we periodically (100 Hz) read that, and work out how much audio has been consumed, and that (as the number of bytes) comes back in VC_AUDIO_MSG_TYPE_COMPLETE message."
[0:50] <BenO> ^^ msg from Dom on the audio workflow
[0:51] <Hexxeh> Does my code seem sane?
[0:51] <BenO> Hexxeh, do you get the same stutters with a 32kb buffer?
[0:51] <Hexxeh> pcm structs will only ever contain 4096kb of audio data, ever
[0:51] <Hexxeh> 4096b even
[0:52] <Hexxeh> figured it out
[0:52] <Hexxeh> i should correct myself, it can contain UP TO 4096b
[0:52] <Hexxeh> it might contain less, as you can see on the memcpy bit
[0:53] <BenO> Hexxeh, I can't see anything insane with that code...
[0:54] <Hexxeh> it's the call to audioplay_play_buffer that's wrong
[0:54] <Hexxeh> i had the buffer size fixed at 4096b
[0:54] <Hexxeh> when really, although the buffer IS 4096b, it might not contain 4096b of data
[0:54] <hotwings> Hexxeh - you still trying to sort out alsa?
[0:54] <BenO> hotwings, just sound
[0:54] <Hexxeh> hotwings: nah, just tidying up my despotify changes to make them public
[0:55] <BenO> Hexxeh, does the music play at the right speed as far as you can tell with the stuttering?
[0:55] <BenO> ie - audio is being sent in at the right rate, but the playback is messed up
[0:55] <Hexxeh> well it /sounds/ slower, but that's because technically, it is playing slower as there's silence between each packet of actual audio
[0:56] <BenO> just checking as I've got playback like that with a certain type of flag
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[0:58] <BenO> Hexxeh, And if you throw data at it asap? (ie comment out 36, 37)
[0:59] <Hexxeh> i'll try that in a sec, just abstracting the changes out a bit so they work with the other clients
[0:59] <Hexxeh> i'm used to this compiling in like 3 seconds, takes like 30 on the pi :P
[0:59] <BenO> Heh :)
[1:01] <BenO> It's times like this where I'd really like some bloody docs on the video core
[1:01] <BenO> and this vchiq interface they are using on the img
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[1:03] <BenO> I've asked a few times now if and what 'mute/unmute' is. I'm close to giving up on the alsa driver as is - I haven't even looked at it today
[1:03] <BenO> </moan>
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[1:06] <Hexxeh> BenO: not sure why, but removing those lines seem to cause the front of the song to be missed out
[1:06] <Hexxeh> it's like the first fraction of a second or s
[1:06] <ReggieUK> Hexxeh, what buffer size does the pi call for?
[1:06] <Hexxeh> you can set it
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[1:07] <tpresence> you get audio with the pi?
[1:07] <tpresence> mine bitches about alsa
[1:07] <ReggieUK> in general, afiak, you need to get the buffers close or matching
[1:07] <ReggieUK> so whatever the buffer on the pi is, the calling app. should be using buffers the same size
[1:08] <Tachyon`> I'd say cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio to test it but that hasn't worked recnetly, I assume /dev/audio was deprecated
[1:08] <BenO> tpresence, alsa is an issue at the moment - there is a semi-working alsa driver
[1:08] <ReggieUK> I take it it's being initialise correctly?
[1:08] <BenO> if you install alsa-base and modprobe snd_bcm2835
[1:08] <ReggieUK> anyone done a debug build of alsa?
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> just to see if it's grumbling at boot time
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[1:09] <BenO> ReggieUK, It's the bcm driver that is borked, not alsa itself
[1:09] <ReggieUK> sure but the bcm driver will use buffers of some kind, it'll expect the audio in 'packets'
[1:10] <tpresence> so if you modprobe sound works, or its still borked
[1:10] <ReggieUK> so also do a debug build of teh bcm audio driver
[1:10] <BenO> ReggieUK, the alsa driver uses the vchiq message passing interface to get data to the video core, where it is played back through an audio fifo queue
[1:10] <ReggieUK> is there a repo of the sources I can browse somewhere?
[1:11] <BenO> I think that the internal queue buffer is about 32kb, although I can't be certain
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[1:11] <ReggieUK> eww, so it's not a standard audio device as such
[1:11] <ReggieUK> it has to jump through it's own hoops by the sounds of it
[1:11] <BenO> ReggieUK, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm
[1:11] <BenO> bcm2835* are the files of interest
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[1:12] <BenO> and https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/misc/vc04_services/interface/vchiq_arm is where said middleware to the GPU exists
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[1:13] <BenO> ReggieUK, I've been posting issues on the firmware repo, as that is where the built versions of the bcm modules live https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues?direction=desc&labels=&milestone=&sort=created&state=open
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[1:14] <namfonos> when i connect my rpi to an acer lcd with a HDMI to DVI cable i get a blue box with "Input Not Supported" floating around the screen. any ideas how to fix?
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[1:14] <namfonos> the rpi works fine with a different LCD
[1:14] <namfonos> same cable
[1:14] <ReggieUK> try setting it to a lower resolution?
[1:15] <namfonos> where i do this?
[1:15] <ReggieUK> no idea :D
[1:15] <ReggieUK> config.txt? someone else will have to tell you where
[1:15] <BenO> namfonos, can you ssh into it and see what "/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s" says
[1:15] <namfonos> you think this is a motherf**king game
[1:16] <ReggieUK> tbh i'm just guessing that your monitor is being asked for a mode that it can't handle
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[1:16] <ReggieUK> so you could just go and google for a manual for your monitor and see what it's max resolution is
[1:16] <Matt> yeah
[1:16] <Matt> being an LCD, you'll wanna know what supported modes there area
[1:16] <Matt> are
[1:16] <namfonos> i don't have a tvservice in that folder
[1:16] <ReggieUK> then search the wiki and forums and really help yourself out and erm, STFU :D
[1:17] <BenO> namfonos, you can grab it from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/bin
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[1:18] <ReggieUK> BenO, I can see where it's set in the audio driver for 32KB but that seems hardcoded into the driver, perhaps adjusting it in the driver might help?
[1:18] <Hexxeh> Anyone happen to have a Pi and a Spotify premium account? :P
[1:19] <Hexxeh> Could do with someone else to test this code before I make a mini-guide on how to get it running
[1:19] <ReggieUK> I Take it the audio device on the pi is unique to this broadcom chip?
[1:19] <Hexxeh> Part of the Broadcom ship
[1:19] <ReggieUK> or is it possible that it's just a rehash of something else?
[1:19] <Hexxeh> *chip
[1:19] <Hexxeh> The APIs you use to interact with it are common though I believe
[1:19] <BenO> ReggieUK, actually, it's not the alsa driver that has a stuttering problem (unless there is a particularly heavy load) - it was Hexxeh's code that was accessing the vcore direct
[1:19] <ReggieUK> I know it's part of the chip but mfr's have been known to reuse stuff like that in other chips
[1:20] <BenO> ReggieUK, Dom (or Eben) mentioned that it was derived in part from old roku code
[1:20] <ReggieUK> :)
[1:21] <ReggieUK> I take it there isn't any roku code knocking around anywhere?
[1:21] <Hexxeh> iirc it wasn't open?
[1:21] <BenO> I'm not entirely sure they were meant to use it either...
[1:22] <BenO> It might have been code prepared for Roku as a demo and handed over to them that this is based on
[1:22] <Matt> someone should go find Qrash
[1:23] <BenO> Hexxeh, I don't even have a spotify-free account, sorry!
[1:23] <Matt> and port it to pi
[1:23] <Matt> http://qmg.org/files/demos/qmg/
[1:23] <Matt> if anyone's intrested
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[1:30] <BenO> ukscone, Ooo nice shots of the b-em on twitter :) how's that going?
[1:30] <tpresence> I still get alsa-lib errors even though I put in the bcm driver
[1:30] <Hexxeh> How can I reliably detect whether my makefiles are running on a RPi?
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[1:32] <ukscone> BenO: the onees from a few weeks ago or the one of beebem today?
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[1:32] <Matt> ukscone: scone or scone?
[1:33] <BenO> ukscone, The snap you just posted
[1:33] <ukscone> that's beebem
[1:33] <Matt> perhaps better expressed as s_cone or skon
[1:34] <BenO> ukscone, Which one had the issues with releasing the source code? I remember a few years back wanting to port one and it being a major hassle
[1:34] <ukscone> i prefered b-em as it's faster but even then b-em was slowish but was only running in the vm and ovr X over ssh
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[1:35] <ukscone> BenO: they were both a pig to build but once i got the various libs workign right it wasn't too bad although allegro and allegl versions were a pig
[1:36] <BenO> ukscone, yeah, I remember some dependency hell of that sort too :)
[1:36] <ukscone> some manual hacks with lib renaming rwquired, now i have a local raspi i can hav a better shot at it
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[1:37] <ukscone> but no hdmi equipment in the house and wife hogs the tv so i'm having to ssh in atm until my hdmi to vga convertor box arrives and it might not work anyway
[1:37] <Ben64> no hdmi?
[1:38] <BenO> ukscone, I know the feeling - the only hdmi device in the house is my projector ;)
[1:38] <Ben64> you don't have hdtvs?
[1:38] <ukscone> not a single thing in the house that has hdmi input other than the kids tv 50 feet away
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[1:38] <Ben64> or a decent computer monitor?
[1:38] <Ben64> hdmi to vga converters cost more than a raspberry pi
[1:38] <ukscone> Ben64: nope only got the kids tv bought last year, wife and my tv is 20 years old
[1:39] <ukscone> and the newest monitor i have is 8 to 10 years old
[1:39] <Ben64> dvi?
[1:39] <ukscone> nope no dvi
[1:39] <Ben64> oh
[1:39] <ukscone> don't even have a dvd player
[1:40] <BenO> I haven't had a tv for about 1 1/2 years
[1:40] <ukscone> last computr i bought was a laptop in 2008, prior to that i was given a refurb in 2006 proor to that the last computr i actually bought was in 1986
[1:40] <BenO> internet and laptops
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[1:41] <Matt> we have a TV in our basement that's as old as my wife
[1:41] <Matt> still works too :)
[1:42] <Matt> last thing her grandpa bought her parents
[1:42] <Matt> and at the time he said "this is the last big thing you're getting cause I'm retired now, so you better make it last"
[1:42] <Matt> or words to that effect
[1:42] <BenO> heh
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[1:43] <SpeedEvil> TV - analog TV - went away here a few weeks ago.
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[1:45] <Matt> and I like how ukscone is avoiding my question :)
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[1:47] <ukscone> Matt eh? what?
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, got your pi yet?
[1:47] <ukscone> sorry was staring at the ceiling
[1:47] <Matt> ukscone: does your nick rhyme with gone or cone?
[1:47] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yup
[1:48] <ukscone> matt depends if you are posh or not and north or south
[1:48] <Matt> how do *you* say it :)
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[1:48] <ukscone> i use either
[1:48] * Matt knows how he says it
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ah, nice. Exactly what you expected?
[1:48] <Matt> you use either?
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[1:48] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes. it's nice although not got a tv or monitor that'll work with so ssh'ing in
[1:48] <Matt> how does that work :)
[1:49] <ukscone> matt however i pronoucee it that time is how i pronounce it
[1:49] <Matt> lol
[1:50] <ukscone> i say sk-on or sk-own
[1:50] <ukscone> either way
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[1:50] <ukscone> same as i'll say g-lass or gl-arse
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[1:50] <Matt> where're you from originally?
[1:50] <ukscone> gr-ass or gr-arse
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[1:51] <ukscone> matt born in southend, liveed in leiceester from age 2 to 24 with odd stays down south and usa since 91
[1:52] <ukscone> matt in other words i have an essex, east london, leiceester and brooklyn mized accent :)
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[1:57] <Matt> intresting :)
[1:57] * Matt 's from Warrington
[1:58] <ukscone> matt i am so sorry :)
[1:58] <Matt> moved over here in 2004
[1:59] <Matt> so it's most definitely sk-on and g-lass :)
[1:59] <ukscone> ah but the real question is
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[1:59] <ukscone> jam then cream or cream then jam?
[2:00] <Matt> with proper clotted cream?
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[2:00] <Matt> cream then jam
[2:00] <ukscone> i go either way
[2:00] <ukscone> in leicester it's cream then jam whether clotted or whipped
[2:00] <ukscone> but i'll do jam then cream on occasion
[2:01] <Matt> ah, here's one
[2:01] <Matt> marmite?
[2:01] <ukscone> disgusting stuff but love twiglets
[2:01] <ukscone> matt you know what mardy means and what a croggie is?
[2:02] <Matt> nope - wrong area :)
[2:02] <ukscone> ok then cob, bap or roll ?
[2:02] <Matt> bap
[2:02] <Matt> or
[2:02] <Matt> barm
[2:02] <Matt> depending on where I happen to be :)
[2:02] <Matt> or occasionally barmcake
[2:03] <ukscone> did piless not return?
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[2:03] <PiOfCube> I prefer a propper stottie
[2:04] <Matt> don't recall seeing him
[2:04] <Hexxeh> Posted instructions for despotify to my blog, for anyone interested
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[2:09] <ukscone_> ok had to move to my desk so i can try to finish setting up the raspi
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[2:11] <ukscone_> rats the new debian rootfs doesn't have sshd turned on at boot
[2:11] <hamitron> :/
[2:12] <jamesglanville> ukscone_: I thought it did :s unless its a new rootfs mine worked :s
[2:13] <jamesglanville> oh, it's new sorry
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[2:15] <ukscone_> ugh netbook turned itself off when i turned it upsidedown
[2:17] <IT_Sean> Why?
[2:19] <IT_Sean> ..
[2:19] <ukscone_> because i turned off the battery switch as it's normally on mains
[2:19] <ukscone_> and i pulled the plug out too far when i turned it upside down
[2:20] <IT_Sean> It has a switch for the battery?
[2:20] <IT_Sean> I see
[2:20] <ukscone_> yup
[2:20] <IT_Sean> Thats odd
[2:20] <ukscone_> i can stop any power trying to charge the battery so it doesn't get normal wear
[2:20] <ukscone_> that you get with batteries in laptops/netbooks
[2:21] <ukscone_> weird sshd should start on boot but it's refusing connection
[2:21] <IT_Sean> I've never seen a laptop with a switch for the battery before.
[2:21] * IT_Sean shrugs
[2:22] <ukscone_> IT_Sean: it's a netbook not a laptop
[2:22] <ukscone_> ecafe slim hd
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[2:22] <IT_Sean> The point still stands
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[2:28] <Matt> ukscone: that's remarkably handy
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting google analytics fact.... 33% of people who got to my tutorials through google search were searching for gay porn, lol. (there were only 3 visits from google search)
[2:28] <ukscone> bugger still getting connection refused
[2:29] <Matt> ukscone: what make netbook?
[2:29] <Matt> ah
[2:29] <Matt> you already answered that
[2:29] <ukscone> matt hercules ecafe
[2:30] <ukscone> http://www.amazon.com/Hercules-eCAFE-Slim-Netbook-4780664/dp/B005J6GA4A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334968146&sr=8-2
[2:30] <Matt> I have a little acer eeepc
[2:31] <Matt> which I'm very happy with
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[2:31] <ukscone> yup i just like this one as it has a few nice features and it's arm based
[2:32] <IT_Sean> Arm based,aye?
[2:32] <IT_Sean> Kiiinky
[2:32] <ukscone> and i have the white one so i can pretend it's an apple when in the coffee shop
[2:32] <ukscone> so the hipsters won't attack me
[2:33] <IT_Sean> When was the last time anyone ever got attacked by hipsters?
[2:33] <hotwings> have an asus netbook here
[2:33] <IT_Sean> ThinkPad here. And an iPad too.
[2:33] <hotwings> 12.1" goodness for long flights :)
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[2:34] <PiOfCube> I like my Cambridge Sciences tablet :-)
[2:34] <ukscone> IT_Sean: not been to williamsburg recently 9or park slope0 have you
[2:35] <IT_Sean> No
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[2:40] <Matt> ukscone: my eeepc is white
[2:40] <Matt> although there wasn't much choice
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[2:45] <hotwings> mine is a wine color
[2:45] <hotwings> http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-1215N-PU27-RD-12-1-Inch-Netbook-Red/dp/B004V93M9C <-- that one
[2:46] <IT_Sean> My ThinkPad is black. Of course.
[2:48] <jamesglanville> theres a new debian release, why can't i apt-get upgrade to it?
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[2:49] <shirro> jamesglanville: have you changed your sources?
[2:49] <Matt> my HP is grey
[2:49] <jamesglanville> shirro: no, what should i change to?
[2:50] <shirro> edit /etc/apt/sources.list - need sudo ofcourse. change squeeze to wheezy - just beware that it is a moving target so there witll be breakage.
[2:51] <shirro> then you can apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade etc
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[2:53] <hotwings> debian testing tends to be pretty stable
[2:53] <hotwings> hardly any breakage
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[2:54] <shirro> it is probably still months until a freeze on wheezy and further still until release so you are going to end up on a rolling release no unlike Arch. It is fairly reliable but you will get lots of updates. Can be an issue if internet is limited
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[2:56] <hotwings> i dont bother with those releases
[2:56] <hotwings> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
[2:56] <hotwings> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
[2:56] <hotwings> deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
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[2:56] <hotwings> theres my /etc/apt/sources.list
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[2:57] <hotwings> im _always_ on testing, regardless of any toy story name/changes
[2:59] <Henchman21> heh
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[3:02] <shirro> yeah, people curse about debian being out of date and don't realise it is one of the best rolling release distros ever.
[3:06] <wcchandler> i've never been able to wrap my head around debians startup procedure.. when I'm used to chkconfig and straight forward inits it just seems... icky
[3:07] <shirro> And then you have sid/unstable as well. And you discover apt pinning and start mixing things to run stable with some more current bits. I appreciate the contributions redhat has made but I honesty don't understand how people can use redhat derived stuff for real work.
[3:08] <wcchandler> i take it as the microsoft philosophy, you wrap your work around their tools, os and software stack
[3:08] <wcchandler> you don't 'make it work' for you
[3:09] <Matt> shirro: it's a lot easier to run commercial packages on RHEL and SLES because stuff doesn't change between minor releases
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[3:10] <wcchandler> rhel has some really good support too. If they support any part of what you're trying to do, they'll bend over backwards to try and help you
[3:10] <hotwings> wcchandler - what about the debian startup dont you like?
[3:11] <Matt> wcchandler: sometimes
[3:11] * Matt has had mixed experiencing with RHEL
[3:11] <tpresence> I hate RHEL even more than FC
[3:11] <Matt> their sales guys can be *really* pushy
[3:11] <wcchandler> Matt: heh... I guess I've just been getting lucky. also helps to know a couple devs in corp at Raleigh
[3:12] <tpresence> I dont like Ubuntu, but since SLS is dead dead dead and mcc-interim is even more dead that that...
[3:12] <Matt> wcchandler: I know at least one dev at RH :)
[3:12] <Matt> tpresence: I quite like ubuntu
[3:12] <tpresence> I hate what the maintainers are doing with it
[3:12] <tpresence> stupid unity
[3:13] <shirro> Redhat is great in a lot of ways. They do contribute an awesome amount of stuff back unlike Canonical. Debian packaging is so much more flexible though. I used to run Oracle on testing in small commercial environments back in the early 2000s. Linux is linux. You can make most stuff work.
[3:13] <tpresence> and unified bins? Why?
[3:13] <Matt> wcchandler: we had one customer who got a call from a RHEL sales guy a couple of months back saying they were out of compliance with their licenses
[3:13] <Matt> and kept saying they had to buy more
[3:13] <wcchandler> hotwings: I think it's more so I'm unfamiliar with it. and when I try to sit down and get familiar it looks completely different than the last time
[3:13] <Matt> so they had us come in and do an audit for them and give them a report on what they were running
[3:13] <Matt> and they checked against their licenses, and they were fine
[3:14] <Matt> but the guy at RH kept calling back
[3:14] <Matt> like 3 times a day
[3:14] <Matt> "you have to order before thursday or I'll have the compliance team sent in" etc
[3:14] <Matt> after thursday, no more calls
[3:14] <wcchandler> oh wow
[3:14] <tpresence> what a douche
[3:15] <hotwings> matt - should have told him to go google naked chicks instead or something
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[3:15] <Matt> we figure because it was potentially a sizable order and he was probably short on his quota
[3:15] <hotwings> definitely tpresence.. douche baggery no doubt
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[3:16] * tpresence holds his breath until raspbmc is released
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[3:16] * Matt watches tpresence turn blue
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[3:17] <shirro> They should have given Lennart a go in their call center. You would have paid rather than argue.
[3:17] * tpresence diez
[3:18] <hotwings> i thought there was already an xbmc release for rpi
[3:19] <tpresence> not yet
[3:19] <tpresence> there is work, but nothing public
[3:22] <hotwings> the foundation didnt waste any time showing everyone xbmc works on rpi
[3:22] <hotwings> funny way to promote an "educational" device ;)
[3:23] <tpresence> If the returns from the initial sales help the educational part, so be it
[3:24] <tpresence> I suspect it will be several months before we have a fully functional pi os that is available to the masses without hassle
[3:24] <hotwings> dont get me wrong, i dont give a damn what anyone uses their rpi for
[3:24] <shirro> They have done the hype thing well. It seems counterproductive now but when this is the hugest platform of its kind and there are stacks of great developers it will be a different matter.
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[3:24] <tpresence> the hype thing initially really turned me off
[3:24] <hotwings> it would be nice if they released a kernel patch set
[3:24] <tpresence> I nearly cancelled my order
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[3:25] <hotwings> or even better, get their patches merged, if they can be
[3:25] <tpresence> sitting in the room trying to order product when they knew we couldnt was quite frustrating
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[3:27] <shirro> Linus acknowledged the Pi. Cox is commenting on github. Greg KH has one. The goodwill is there, it is up to the foundation/broadcom not to stuff things up.
[3:27] <hotwings> a lot of people think the thing is just vapor at this point
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[3:29] <tpresence> I have a pi in my hand and its not vapor
[3:29] <tpresence> and it seems to be reasonably decent
[3:29] * wcchandler nods
[3:29] <wcchandler> i dig it
[3:29] <tpresence> I havent compared to the beagle bone or other similar ones
[3:29] <shirro> I don't like the hype but the sad fact is heaps of cool hardware platforms never reach their potential because not enough people buy them to make them a target for development.
[3:30] <hotwings> tpresence - you having an rpi doesnt make in non-vapor for others though. when you have that much build-up and then literally nobody could get one when they were supposed to, what do you expect people to think?
[3:30] <tpresence> the only real unhappiness was the lack of communication, and attempting to order product for 4 hours before giving up (the night of the "order", which was total bs)
[3:30] <hotwings> its nearly may
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[3:31] <tpresence> hot: agreed, its been entirely badly managed
[3:31] <tpresence> to the point where abandonment isn't unreasonable
[3:31] <hotwings> ive been tempting to cancel my order and move on to be honest
[3:32] <hotwings> i dont really have any other projects/toys at the moment to occupy my time. otherwise id probably just ignore the massive flop the launch has been
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[3:50] <ukscone> this is driving me nuts -- stupid brain dead idea to disable sshd by default as it's easier to turn it off if you don't want it than it is to turn it on if you do
[3:51] <cperrin88> ukscone: on the debian image it's enabled by default
[3:51] <shirro> cperrin88: not on the latest
[3:51] <cperrin88> 13-04 ?
[3:52] <cperrin88> oh
[3:52] <cperrin88> theres 19-04
[3:52] <cperrin88> I have my own image based on 13-04
[3:52] <ukscone> cperrin88: like hell it is :)
[3:52] <cperrin88> so I didn't notice
[3:52] <ukscone> sorry i'm pissed off atm
[3:53] <cperrin88> I even compiled myself a kernel :D
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[3:53] <ukscone> it's a braindead idea to disable by default as it's impossible to turn it on if you have no monitor but easy enough to turn it off if you don't want it
[3:53] <shirro> They are going to have to put up a repo for the pi specifics and start doing this properly. People will not want to be creating new images all the time
[3:54] <ukscone> cperrin88: i have to use the 'standard" rootfs's for the stuff i'm doing so others can use the info
[3:54] <ukscone> even tried putting the scripts in /etc/rcX.d myself but no go
[3:55] <ukscone> suspect something needs apt-get'ing
[3:55] <cperrin88> ukscone: It's pretty much the standard but a bit tweaked with the newer drivers and I enabled NFSD in my kernel
[3:55] <tpresence> linux distro maintainers are entirely assing them up :(
[3:55] <tpresence> I wish they would just stop! now!
[3:56] <tpresence> they have absolutely no idea what they are doing
[3:57] <cperrin88> that somehow sucks ... you want my image? ^^
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[3:58] <shirro> they need a theme package, binaries package, kernel package and a few dummy packages to bring in sensible dependencies for headless server, education/python desktop etc.
[3:59] <cperrin88> In fact it's pretty easy to do that yourself ....
[3:59] <ukscone> cperrin88: thanks but no -- i have to work with the stock rootfs's so it works for all when i publish
[3:59] <shirro> It is very easy to do it yourself but it is an insane duplication of effort. Laziness is good
[3:59] <ukscone> i need to workout why sshd isn't starting
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[4:00] <ukscone> oh that might be it
[4:00] <cperrin88> shirro: Community is giving and taking
[4:00] <tpresence> idiotic distros is why
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[4:02] <shirro> If we are going to adopt Debian as a defacto standard then should at least use it correctly instead of making ad-hoc images with who knows what changes.
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[4:04] <shirro> I wish I had a Pi to test with. Would make much more sense for the community to put up a nice repo somewhere and an image preconfigured with it in the sources so people can just apt-get the latest.
[4:06] <Ben64> that'd be cool
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[4:07] <cperrin88> shirro: The Problem with that approach is that you can't apt get the boot partition onto the SD cart
[4:07] <cperrin88> for the drivers on the other hand it would be useful
[4:07] <wcchandler> i posted a comment on a blog post from eben, let's see if he replies -- so far i've gotten word from liz that bug reports/suggestions are to be sent to the forums and Michael said that they're thinking of doing something for bugtracking
[4:08] <tpresence> I tried ti update my /boot and /lib/modules with the updated versions and the damn thing wouldnt boot anymore
[4:08] <shirro> No you distribute a standard image but built from packages. Then you can update changes.
[4:08] <shirro> Instead of just imaging someones raspberry pi complete with command history
[4:08] <tpresence> could rdist it
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[4:09] <cperrin88> shirro: I know what you mean but what is with the start.elf and stuff like that ... it gets updated too ...
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[4:10] <hotwings> [19:01:13] <shirro> If we are going to adopt Debian as a defacto standard then should at least use it correctly instead of making ad-hoc images with who knows what changes. <-- +1
[4:15] <wcchandler> ug... why must you continue to use portmap and not just use rpcbind which works??
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[4:16] <shirro> cperrin88: You treat the config.txt as a config file. You can have a script to make new images just like debian makes new initrd when you install a new kernel.
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[4:17] <wcchandler> ug.. no sshd on by default (as was mentioned before)
[4:18] <cperrin88> shirro: I think this might be like that in the future
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[4:21] <wcchandler> how do you make a service/daemon start on boot? in rhel it's just chkconfig FOO on
[4:23] <shirro> look at update-rc.d . just be aware that some things also have start true/false in /etc/defaults as well so they will not start until you configure them.
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[4:25] <shirro> there are higher level tools you can install as well
[4:25] <wcchandler> shirro: nah, update-rc.d looks like it should do nicely
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[4:27] <shirro> wcchandler: I admit debian is a bit clunky in this regard but it has been consistently clunky for a long time which isn't always a bad thing
[4:35] <wcchandler> :)
[4:35] <wcchandler> i guess once you're used to it it's just fluid
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[4:37] <wry> Sys-V drives me crazy.
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[4:39] <wcchandler> we should hack together an install script that can go on the debian images ... which can also be controlled via ssh/telnet
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[4:41] <ukscone> heh and the method said to get sshd working doesn't work
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[4:43] <shirro> ukscone: how did they disable it? changed the symbolic links with update-rc.d or exit in the script or what?
[4:44] <ukscone> there is a file in the fat partition that you need to rename
[4:44] <ukscone> but doing so doens't seem to do squat
[4:45] <ukscone> probably something to do with starting the pi headless
[4:45] <wcchandler> `update-rc.d -f ssh defaults 20` is what I did
[4:45] <ukscone> wcchandler: no can do as i have no monitor
[4:45] <wcchandler> ohh
[4:45] <wcchandler> :P
[4:45] <wcchandler> keyboard?
[4:45] <ukscone> this is an edge case but a large edge case
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[4:46] <wcchandler> Ctrl+Alt+F2; pi\nraspberry\n; ^^^
[4:46] <ukscone> no keyboard or mouse or anything but ethernet until i can ssh and install modules
[4:46] <shirro> can you mount the sd card on a linux box? If so you can chroot and run the update-rc.d or manually change the links
[4:47] <ukscone> shirro: doesn't work
[4:47] <ukscone> added the links manually and it doesn't respect them and they are gone on next reboot
[4:47] <ukscone> so something screwy going on
[4:48] <shirro> sounds like they have a script checking the fat partition and overwriting them at boot or something.
[4:48] <wcchandler> yeah when I had the initial boot a weird script was run
[4:48] <wcchandler> it tried to start portmap and said if it failed to just manually reboot the pi
[4:49] <ukscone> the only thing that is running 9i ran nmap on it0 is rpcbind
[4:49] <shirro> why would you have rpcbind running by default?
[4:49] <wcchandler> nfs
[4:49] <shirro> hardly anyone uses nfs. everyone uses ssh. seems crazy
[4:50] <wcchandler> nfs is **fast**
[4:50] <wcchandler> ssh's overhead is CPU
[4:50] <ukscone> ok followed instructions exactly and haven't fiddled with the image manually lets try again
[4:50] <wcchandler> ukscone: your name always makes me hungry for pastries
[4:51] <shirro> we need a dkdanish or a frbrioche on here
[4:52] <ukscone> nope doing it how they say to do it doesn't work
[4:53] <ukscone> connection refused
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[4:53] <shirro> nfs is something an expert user would configure themselves, ssh is something you might get a newbie doing to solve a problem. Downloading putty isn't beyond the unwashed masses.
[4:53] <wcchandler> ukscone: you wrote the image, then you started the pi, gave it ~2 minutes, then rebooted?
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[4:54] <wcchandler> shirro: I totally agree it's a bad image :P just stating...
[4:54] <ukscone> wcchandler: wrote the image, renamed the file, powered on, gaveit a couple of minutes and tried to ssh in
[4:54] <ukscone> no dice
[4:56] <ukscone> oh sod it i'll tell the kid to move over and i'll do everything in his room
[4:57] <ukscone> anyone remember how to get wifi to start on boot? :)
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[4:57] <wcchandler> ha
[4:58] <wcchandler> after reboot i'd mount the sd card then do whatever was recommended, on inital boot stuff happens
[4:58] <wcchandler> that didn't use to before
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[5:18] <wcchandler> *rant* guy complains about NOT getting a pi with everyone... 3 days later comments that he has 3 on backorder ???_???
[5:19] <uksconeonpi> wcchandler: :)
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[5:21] <wcchandler> i almost had a big lebowski moment and wanted to shout "AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT THE F'NG RULES???!!"
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[5:27] <shirro> I am chilling about the whole delay thing now but I am still a bit curious about what the order cutoff times where for the first few hundred that went out. I thought I was in pretty quick considering how many times the page timed out.
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[5:39] <tpresence> I was probably one of the first 5
[5:40] <tpresence> I signed up before they even said you had to...since the order page wouldnt show
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[5:47] <a_c_r> mmmm, pi audio
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[6:28] <wcchandler> today I learned... PXE is an intel proprietary format
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[7:29] <wcchandler> how would you check if the / partition is set to noatime?
[7:30] <wcchandler> wouldn't mount tell you?
[7:30] <ahven> yep
[7:31] <ahven> /dev/disk/by-uuid/f64fdd50-39cd-4b80-8b89-53b80bfc896f on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=0,data=writeback)
[7:32] <wcchandler> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[7:32] <wcchandler> :( debian image
[7:33] <wcchandler> any ideas on how to change that? i looked in /etc/fstab but it's not there
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[7:44] <mozzwald> ukscone: hows that pi taste?
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[8:05] <techman2> afternoon all
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[8:17] <wcchandler> techman2: afternoon? you in Japan?
[8:20] <shirro> bit lower than japan
[8:20] <techman2> nope
[8:20] <techman2> aus
[8:20] <shirro> rootflags= in boot parameters or fstab
[8:20] <techman2> hey shirro
[8:20] <shirro> hi
[8:21] <techman2> how goes it?
[8:24] <shirro> still no hardware. didn't make the first cut. early may looks good.
[8:25] <techman2> yeah I am thinking I will be early may too
[8:25] <techman2> there would have been only a handful designated for here
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[8:26] <techman2> but they should be getting half of the remaining 8k around 1st may according to the E14 rep
[8:30] <techman2> so how is the hard float port of debian going?
[8:32] <shirro> They are going great. There is a repo up but there cold be broken dependencies so I am not sure if you can get a debootstrap going or not. Might not bother until I get a Pi I think. I have been playing with building an armv6 hardfloat LFS like thing but got distracted by other things.
[8:34] <techman2> yeah I'll be keen to give it a run when I get mine
[8:35] <techman2> the dev work that has come about already from the small number of them out there is incredible
[8:36] <techman2> how's Hexxeh going with Chromium?
[8:37] <shirro> I don't think we have seen anything yet. I think this could have a real impact on mainstream linux desktop stuff as people try and make things work on low end hardware and get innovative
[8:37] <shirro> last I saw he had a stacktrace and a file and line number to investigate. Looked like a null ptr dereference
[8:39] <techman2> yeah I think
[8:39] <techman2> yeah I think so even
[8:39] <techman2> Linus thinks they're a great idea, GKH is hacking on one and Alan Cox wants to put one in a Furby lol
[8:40] <shirro> I can just imagine a Welsh talking furby. Would make about as much sense as the original ones
[8:40] <techman2> lol
[8:40] <techman2> perhaps a cron jub running to make it announce when it's time to go to the pub?
[8:40] <techman2> job*
[8:41] <PiOfCube> yuuum yuuuum boyo
[8:42] <techman2> a lot of people seemed to be saying it performs better than they were expecting
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[8:43] <shirro> that is because most people barely use the power of modern cpus
[8:43] <techman2> yep
[8:43] <techman2> I'm one of them
[8:44] <techman2> about the only time I would use the power of a modern cpu at all would be to recompile a kernel
[8:44] <techman2> which I never really do
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[8:44] <shirro> that and using a web browser.
[8:45] <techman2> I suppose so
[8:45] <wcchandler> i use BOINC otherwise I feel the same way
[8:45] <wcchandler> it's a waste of clock cycles
[8:45] <wcchandler> them and their silly NOOP
[8:45] <techman2> I am finding G+ and other AJAX heavy pages a bit sluggish when scrolling on this dm1
[8:46] <shirro> is that a celeron?
[8:47] <shirro> or atom or something?
[8:47] <techman2> AMD E-450
[8:47] <techman2> dual core 1.65GHz
[8:48] <shirro> running linux or windows?
[8:48] <techman2> win 7
[8:48] <[deXter]> techman2, I'm on the E-350 here, no slugishness
[8:48] <[deXter]> Then again, I'm on Linux and have 8GB of RAM installed. ;)
[8:48] <techman2> ah
[8:49] <techman2> I am on the standard 2GB
[8:49] <[deXter]> Well that's cutting it too close for Win7
[8:49] <[deXter]> Might be happier with 4GB
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[8:49] <techman2> I keep browser tab usage light, about 3 tabs open usually
[8:49] <shirro> techman2: if you think that is sluggish wait until you get the Pi
[8:49] <techman2> shirro: lol, I don't intend to browse on the pi
[8:50] <wcchandler> elinks2
[8:51] <shirro> no, that is too painful. perhaps ten years ago but I am too spoilt now
[8:53] <techman2> hmmm
[8:53] <mozzwald> netsurf is decent
[8:53] <techman2> smooth scrolling option in FF helps a bit
[8:53] <[deXter]> Midori is nice
[8:53] <techman2> I would probably find Chrome might run better but I don't really want to use Chrome
[8:53] <wcchandler> appended "rootflags=noatime" to /boot/cmdline.txt and it's not coming back up.. :(
[8:53] <wcchandler> oi
[8:55] <wcchandler> everyone seems fanatical about chrome. I think it's just meh. FF is much more consistent and is supported by more stuff. It's nice. I feel like I'm riding a nice Jaguar
[8:57] <techman2> I think Chrome has good performance
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[9:04] <techman2> shirro: what have you been busying yourself with?
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[9:07] <shirro> techman2: nothing too exciting. been looking at lots of distros and playing with building packages and things. lots of wheel reinventing. will probably not eventuate into anything.
[9:08] <techman2> right
[9:09] <wcchandler> yep, didn't like the rootflags=noatime
[9:09] <techman2> oooh
[9:09] <techman2> the modmypi cases have vesa mount holes, nice.
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[9:13] <techman2> uh oh.
[9:14] <techman2> why am I hearing a rather ominous hard drive spin up/spin down clicking?...
[9:14] <wcchandler> not good
[9:14] <wcchandler> that reminds me though, I need to make backups tomorrow
[9:18] <techman2> hrm
[9:19] <techman2> turned off hard disk power management to see if that is maybe an issue
[9:19] <techman2> seems to have settled down
[9:24] <techman2> any word on when the forum on the site is going to get upgraded?
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[10:08] <oberling> [A
[10:09] <ironzorg> ^
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[10:12] <Iota> Good morning.
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[10:24] <friggle> shirro: re debian, working on it
[10:24] <friggle> ukscone: renaming the boot.rc worked perfectly for me...check out /etc/rc.local which is what loads it. Seems fairly bullet proof to me..
[10:25] <friggle> as long as /boot is always mounted by the time rc.local is called, but I'm fairly sure it is
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[10:39] <Purgox> Hmm
[10:39] <Iota> What's up, Chuck?
[10:39] <Purgox> And now I'm back on Windows, but the images are still too big for my SD card. :<
[10:40] <Iota> Darn :( I've not actually neen if they exist or how big they are. But maybe if ArmedSlack is availabel it'll be under 1GB? No idea though.
[10:40] <Purgox> Yeah, both Debian and Arch images are 2GB.
[10:40] <Purgox> Might as well buy a bigger SD card today.
[10:40] <haltdef> with some hackery you can have your rootfs on a usb hdd
[10:41] <Iota> That would be the more sensible option. :P
[10:41] <Purgox> interesting
[10:41] <haltdef> mount the rootfs partition of the sd image, cp -a to your usb hd, root=/dev/sdaX in kernel options
[10:42] <haltdef> http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux may be helpful :P
[10:42] <Purgox> how are those kernel options even passed?
[10:42] <friggle> I'm not sure if we built the necessary kernel modules in to the default kernel to allow that though
[10:42] <Purgox> Magical boot process.
[10:43] <friggle> I know Hexxeh requested it, but I don't think that request was acted on yet
[10:43] <haltdef> yeah, I believe Hexxeh had to build his own kernel to make it work
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[10:44] <haltdef> also, omg fringe
[10:44] <Purgox> :>
[10:45] <Purgox> Also, firmware wise I just extract the firmware repo on github to the first SD card partition?
[10:45] <haltdef> I've only done this on a pandaboard :P
[10:45] <friggle> Purgox: stick the contents of the boot dir on your fat32 partition
[10:46] <Purgox> Alright.
[10:46] <Purgox> and the rest goes to rootfs I assume
[10:47] <friggle> opt to opt on your rootfs
[10:47] <friggle> modules to /lib/modules
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[10:51] <Purgox> What about hardfp?
[10:56] <friggle> you don't want it. That's just versions of the libs built for a different ABI
[10:57] <friggle> for users experimenting with from-source distros etc
[10:57] <Purgox> 'kay.
[10:57] <Purgox> Well, looks like I have generation script then to use with buildroot.
[10:57] <Purgox> a generation script*
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[11:39] <AeroNotix> heyo
[11:39] <AeroNotix> so when is the next batch going to be available?
[11:40] <huene> ttp://services.dealextreme.com/forms/viewresults.aspx?formkey=BF8953082
[11:40] <huene> 64866F7
[11:40] <huene> meh. sorry, that was unintentionally pasted
[11:40] <AeroNotix> oh - I went to it
[11:40] <huene> i guess you didn't see much :)
[11:41] <huene> i don't have any information on the next batch either :/
[11:41] <AeroNotix> huene: I didn't see anything :)
[11:41] <AeroNotix> huene: darn! I'm so excited for the RP
[11:41] <huene> me too
[11:42] <AeroNotix> huene: some on eBay going for ??100!
[11:42] <huene> crazy people
[11:42] <AeroNotix> huene: Yeah i know
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[13:16] <Hexxeh> shirro: That stacktrace turned out to be bogus, I ran it against the wrong binary
[13:16] <Hexxeh> shirro: Same old useless crap when run against the right binary
[13:16] <zgreg> Hexxeh: still working on chromiumos?
[13:17] <Hexxeh> yeah, well, just chromium at the moment
[13:17] <Hexxeh> but the OS part is easy once the browser works
[13:17] <zgreg> is the browser really such a big problem?
[13:17] <zgreg> is it V8?
[13:17] <Hexxeh> don't think it's V8
[13:17] <Hexxeh> and yes, it is :P
[13:17] <Hexxeh> feel free to try compiling a modern build of it to see what I mean
[13:18] <Hexxeh> instant segfault
[13:18] <zgreg> hmm
[13:18] <Hexxeh> i think it's actually caused by skia
[13:18] <zgreg> that's odd, does chrome contain much platform-specific code besides V8?
[13:18] <Hexxeh> but that's just a hunch for now, can't get a useful stacktrace
[13:18] <Hexxeh> a fair bit
[13:18] <zgreg> hmm yeah skia contains ARM assembly for blitting, etc.
[13:18] <zgreg> have you tried disabling it?
[13:19] <Hexxeh> you can't
[13:19] <Hexxeh> it's used to draw the UI
[13:19] <zgreg> no, I mean disabling the ARM optimized code path
[13:19] <zgreg> there is a pure C++ codepath in skia
[13:19] <Hexxeh> ah, no, not yet
[13:19] <Hexxeh> someone from the chrome team has given me something to try to get a usable stack trace
[13:19] <Hexxeh> gonna try that first
[13:20] <zgreg> what would be quite interesting are armv6 simd optimizations in skia
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[13:20] <zgreg> I really wonder why google didn't do that, there are so many armv6 android phones out there...
[13:20] <zgreg> and android uses skia for drawing the UI
[13:20] <Hexxeh> yeah, the android app doesn't officially support v6
[13:21] <Hexxeh> didn't some folks get it working though?
[13:21] <zgreg> I'm not talking about chrome for android, but android itself
[13:21] <Hexxeh> oh i see
[13:21] <zgreg> android's standard UI toolkit uses skia
[13:21] <Hexxeh> didn't know that
[13:21] <Hexxeh> but i'm not big on android really
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[13:22] <zgreg> while armv6 simd isn't very powerful, for simple stuff like blitting, blending, etc. it should be quite useful
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[13:28] <Hexxeh> Bloody netsplits
[13:28] <Hexxeh> zgreg: Here's what I've got so far: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-os-dev/browse_frm/thread/9aa142ac21958a50
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[13:35] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: just kicked off a chromium build with OE to try and see what issues I get, not a lot of help I know but may be interesting.
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[13:40] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: Awesome, can't hurt to try
[13:40] <Hexxeh> Do you know what revision it's building by any chance?
[13:41] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I do, 20.0.1086.0 but I can try others, well later anyway ;)
[13:41] <Hexxeh> That's modern enough, that'll do just fine
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[13:53] <Iota> Why are they updating the Arch image? Isn't it just a rolling release?
[13:55] <Hexxeh> They're updating the firmware stuff
[13:55] <Hexxeh> Actually
[13:55] <Hexxeh> I just had an awesome idea
[13:56] <Hexxeh> A rpi-firmware updater tool would be really cool
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[13:56] <Hexxeh> That partition always has to be mmcblk0p1, and it's always the same filesystem
[13:56] <Hexxeh> So having a tool that updates it would be trivial
[13:57] <Iota> :o
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[14:01] <Iota> Hexxeh: What do you mean by firmware?
[14:01] <Hexxeh> Iota: this stuff: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[14:02] <Iota> Oh I see. So this stuff is specific for the Raspberry Pi and not in lets say the Arch (alarm) repo? Would I be able to compile it and load it without rebooting?
[14:03] <Hexxeh> You don't need to compile it (and you can't, since source isn't available)
[14:03] <Hexxeh> It requires a reboot, too
[14:03] <Iota> Oh yeah, I see that they're elf bin and img files.
[14:03] <Iota> And they improve the support to the device?
[14:04] <Hexxeh> Sometimes
[14:04] <Hexxeh> Read the commit log to see what changed
[14:04] <Iota> Shall do, thanks.
[14:07] <Hexxeh> Oh, I just had an even better idea
[14:08] <Hexxeh> Why not make the boot folder a git repo?
[14:08] <Hexxeh> That way, updating would just be a case of git pull
[14:08] <Hexxeh> Actually, SVN might be more appropriate, since Git stores history too, that'd get too large in terms of disk space used
[14:09] <Iota> Haha, nice.
[14:09] <Matt> morning
[14:09] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: git pull with a depth of 1 would also work well.
[14:09] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: is that a way to make Git only keep the current revision, and not the history of the repo?
[14:10] <Hexxeh> I was just googling for how to do that, my Git-fu isn't fantastic
[14:10] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: well it will only clone from upstream to that level so 'sort of' ;)
[14:11] <zgreg> you can make shallow clones
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[14:11] <zgreg> oh, DJWillis already mentioned it
[14:12] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I have done exactly that for some embedded devices, on boot they shallow clone some central config from a local GIT repro for the kits.
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[14:22] <XeCrypt> hello :)
[14:24] <Iota> Hello.
[14:25] <XeCrypt> assuming that like 2% in here actually got a raspberry pi? :D
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[14:26] <Iota> I think quite a number of us do.
[14:26] <somethinginteres> Hi all, is it possible to have the RP boot the OS off an external USB HDD or do I need an SD Card?
[14:27] <Hexxeh> somethinginteres: You need an SD card to hold the kernel/firmware, but this can pass control to a USB disk for the filesystem
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[14:27] <somethinginteres> Hexxeh: OK thanks.
[14:28] <haltdef> did you have to compile the kernel yourself to do it, Hexxeh?
[14:28] <Hexxeh> Yeah haltdef
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[14:28] <wcchandler> why not set up something like a free amazon AWS that watches the git tree and auto pulls it in, packages as a deb and add that that as a repo to whatever flavor?
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[14:29] <wcchandler> always have the latest firmware
[14:29] <somethinginteres> has anyone come up w/ anything creative for a "case"?
[14:29] <Iota> I use the box my arduino came in.
[14:31] <wcchandler> i have it sitting open on my modem as my only shielded cat5e was a 6 inch patch cable :/
[14:31] <friggle> haltdef: next release should have the necessary modules built in to the kernel
[14:32] <somethinginteres> Iota, wcchandler: noted. :)
[14:33] <somethinginteres> and what are you guys using it for? I am thinking an XBMC media centre.
[14:35] <haltdef> I'll probably just use mine as a bnc and bitlbee server
[14:35] <haltdef> got a pandaboard I've been meaning to get xbmc working on
[14:37] <somethinginteres> haltdef: oh yeah? I am not really familiar with the state of XBMC on these sorts of devices.
[14:38] <haltdef> anything that uses gstreamer can use hardware acceleration on the panda
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[14:38] <haltdef> not a clue if xbmc does or can be made to
[14:38] <somethinginteres> haltdef: ah, righto
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[14:38] <IT_Sean> what. the. arse.
[14:39] <Iota> ? :o
[14:39] <Iota> What's up, IT_Sean?
[14:39] <IT_Sean> my innernet connection just hiccup'd
[14:40] <Iota> D:
[14:41] <wcchandler> you sound spoiled if that results in such a rise
[14:41] <wcchandler> :P
[14:41] <somethinginteres> is this a usable SD card for the RP? http://au.element14.com/sandisk/sd4813/memory-4gb-sdhc-ultra-ii/dp/1782313 (you can tell I am very out of my depth :P)
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[14:43] <friggle> haltdef: I think linaro might have an xbmc pandaboard build
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[14:44] <friggle> haltdef: http://www.linaro.org/downloads/1203 'linaro tv'
[14:46] <friggle> somethinginteres: yeah, should be fine (at least 2gb version of the card pictured has no problems!)
[14:46] <somethinginteres> friggle: thanks :D
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[14:50] <haltdef> ooh handy
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[14:55] <wcchandler> man.. asb is quite on top of things morning.. bravo
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[14:58] <XeCrypt> anybody tested if raspberry can playback raw DVB-S2 streams (MPEG2-TS / up to 1080i) that is iirc ?
[14:59] <haltdef> mpeg2 1080i won't work
[14:59] <haltdef> well, not in realtime :P
[15:00] <wcchandler> anybody have more on the rootfs stuff is setup? looks like I've exhausted the raspi/elinux wiki
[15:02] <wcchandler> more specifically I want to know how to bootstrap other images and all that jazz? even more specifically I want to boot off tftp or nfs
[15:02] <XeCrypt> haltdef, is hw accelaration already included in the mplayer you tested?^^
[15:02] <haltdef> I haven't tested anything
[15:03] <XeCrypt> ah wait... decoder chip only handles h264 iirc?!
[15:03] * XeCrypt didnt got his Pi yet... but as always, very impatient heh
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> It can handle many things - it's only got a limited set of codecs and licences.
[15:03] <somethinginteres> I love that element14 makes you give them all your details. Paypal? That'd be better.
[15:03] <haltdef> it does MPEG4 only for now
[15:03] <haltdef> that includes ASP
[15:03] <haltdef> but ofc not mpeg2
[15:04] <XeCrypt> ah, I see - Its only at the beginning of its lifecycle so time will tell
[15:05] <XeCrypt> but if people start doin Audio/Video stuff in python... there wont be a good end haha
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[15:20] <Hexxeh> Any willing volunteers to try my RPi firmware updater tool?
[15:21] <Hexxeh> Nothing too complex, 36 lines of Bash and a couple Git repos
[15:21] <Iota> Sure, it's about time I did something useful.
[15:21] <ARMadillo> 14:20:21 up 4 days, 13:16, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.05, 0.06
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[15:25] <Hexxeh> Iota: okay, run this
[15:25] <Hexxeh> wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update --quiet && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[15:25] <Hexxeh> then to run the tool, just type rpi-update
[15:25] <Hexxeh> You'll need to run it as root (it'll complain if you don't, anyway)
[15:26] <Iota> /usr/bin/rpi-update: line 31: git: command not found
[15:26] <Iota> We failed! Attmepting to restore your original firmware
[15:26] <Iota> Heh, I'll get it.
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[15:26] <Hexxeh> Ah, okay, I'll add a check to make sure you have git installed before it runs
[15:27] <Iota> Trying again.
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[15:29] <Iota> If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully setup
[15:29] <Hexxeh> Added a check for Git
[15:29] <Iota> I saw no errors. :D
[15:29] <Hexxeh> Alright cool, give a reboot a shot
[15:29] <Hexxeh> It might die
[15:30] <Hexxeh> We'll see :P
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Oh
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Hmm, wait
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Something I forgot
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Don't reboot just yet
[15:30] <ARMadillo> Ok+
[15:30] <ARMadillo> Lol.
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Need to update the modules as well as the kernel
[15:30] <Hexxeh> Derp :P
[15:30] <ARMadillo> ^.^
[15:32] <ARMadillo> And this should have updated all the firmware files?
[15:32] <Hexxeh> Yeah
[15:32] <Hexxeh> Just gonna make it do the modules now too
[15:32] <ARMadillo> I don't supose it matters which distro you're on?
[15:32] <Hexxeh> Shouldn't do
[15:32] <Hexxeh> As long as it mounts firmware in /boot
[15:33] <ARMadillo> Cool.
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[15:34] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: push a better version up yet?
[15:34] <Hexxeh> making it now
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[15:37] <wcchandler> also, you're using a self signed cert (or so wget said)
[15:38] <wcchandler> might need to append --no-check-certificate to your one-liner wget
[15:38] <Hexxeh> nope
[15:38] <Hexxeh> your time is probably just wrong
[15:38] <Hexxeh> and github's cert isn't valid yet :P
[15:38] <wcchandler> ahh
[15:39] <wcchandler> I knew I forgot something
[15:39] <Hexxeh> okay, rerun wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update --quiet && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[15:39] <Hexxeh> and then do rpi-update
[15:40] <Iota> Running.
[15:40] <Iota> ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.1.9-10+: No such file or directory
[15:40] <Iota> FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
[15:41] <Hexxeh> run uname -r, what does it say?
[15:41] <Iota> 3.1.9-10+
[15:41] <Hexxeh> what about ls /lib/modules?
[15:41] <Iota> The folder exists in that directory too.
[15:42] <Iota> http://pastebin.com/ZHBLFPkz
[15:42] <Iota> Oh, that's 11. Sorry.
[15:42] <Hexxeh> Is this Arch?
[15:42] <Iota> [root@Armadillo ~]# ls /lib/modules/
[15:42] <Iota> 3.1.9+ 3.1.9-11+ extramodules-3.1.9--raspberrypi
[15:42] <Iota> Yeah.
[15:42] <Hexxeh> That's... strange.
[15:43] <Hexxeh> You don'thave modules for the kernel you're running.
[15:43] <Iota> D:
[15:43] <Iota> Could that be due to running pacman -Syyu?
[15:45] <fALSO> status on raspberry pi ?
[15:45] <fALSO> 2d support on X ? is released ?
[15:45] <fALSO> and correct sound support ?
[15:46] <wcchandler> If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully setup
[15:46] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: worked for me in deb; http://pastebin.com/QeVzUGT5
[15:47] <phantoxeD> fALSO: another sticker is needed for that - boards have to return to the "factory"
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[15:49] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: wouldn't you want to get the latest .elf and store it temporarily before rm'ing the current start.elf? (not that it matters so much as you can cp the original)
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[15:49] <Hexxeh> doesn't really matter, since we have the actual versions of those there too anyway
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[15:53] <tpresence> falso: 2d support yes, sound is broken (on the debian release)
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[15:53] <fALSO> on X ? tpresence
[15:53] <tpresence> yes
[15:53] <Hexxeh> tpresence: I think he means accelerated, which would be no
[15:53] <tpresence> lxde works
[15:53] <fALSO> LOL
[15:53] <fALSO> ya
[15:53] <tpresence> oh, accel? No.
[15:53] <fALSO> just dont scroll or move anything
[15:54] <fALSO> welcome back to 1988
[15:54] <tpresence> its not bad
[15:54] <wcchandler> heh.. 2d. I have a box
[15:54] <fALSO> of course not, if youre in 1988
[15:54] <Hexxeh> Iota: can you run the command to redownload the script and try again?
[15:54] <tpresence> I used X back in 88
[15:54] <tpresence> arch's X looks exactly like then
[15:54] <tpresence> with twm
[15:54] <tpresence> lol
[15:54] <Iota> Sure thing, Hexxeh.
[15:55] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: Did a reboot work for you after running it?
[15:55] <Hexxeh> Without errors?
[15:55] <Iota> No errors.
[15:55] <tpresence> when I updated the firmware with the "newish" firmware, the box wouldnt load the OS anymore
[15:56] <Iota> Shall I give it a reboot?
[15:56] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: still trying to update my time hold on.. ha
[15:56] <Hexxeh> Iota: Awesome, give her a reboot and see how it goes
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[15:56] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: ntpd -sd
[15:57] <tpresence> is there a safe way to update firmware on debian?
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[15:57] <Hexxeh> tpresence: I'm trying to make a way at the moment, Iota and wcchandler are testing it
[15:57] <wcchandler> I just installed rdate and it kept sitting there when trying 0.pool.ntp.org
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[15:58] <Iota> Hexxeh: It rebooted, seems fine. Q)
[15:58] <Iota> :)*
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[15:58] <Hexxeh> Awesome Iota, thanks. Mind running uname -r again letting me know what it says?
[15:58] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: back up
[15:59] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: It worked then?
[15:59] <tpresence> I installed ntpdate and did ntpdate -u "0.pool.ntp.org" and it worked fine
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[15:59] <Hexxeh> Ah, cool
[15:59] <ARMadillo> :D
[15:59] <wcchandler> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #21 Tue Apr 17 16:40:43 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:59] <ARMadillo> 3.1.9+
[15:59] <Hexxeh> Looks good
[15:59] <Hexxeh> Seems to work just fine
[15:59] <wcchandler> I can try to break it if you want ;)
[15:59] <ARMadillo> Nice one, Hexxeh.
[16:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, Thanks for blogging about the despotify code :)
[16:01] <Hexxeh> no problem BenO, hopefully it was useful
[16:01] <wcchandler> tpresence: yeah, ntpdate worked just fine
[16:03] <ukscone> anyone know if the netgear wg111v3 works on linux and the raspi in particular? that's the dongle i have available atm
[16:04] <Hexxeh> If more people could test the rpi-update tool on the different distros, it'd be mighty useful: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[16:04] <tpresence> Ill try it
[16:04] <Hexxeh> bbs, let me know how you get on and i'll read up in my irc client when i get back
[16:05] <tpresence> have to install git
[16:05] <Iota> Hexxeh: You have a little spelling mistake in the README.md: "you'll need to reobot to load the new firmware"
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[16:09] <tpresence> do others have issues with issuing a command and the pi just sits for a long time
[16:09] <tpresence> no ^C or ^Z does anything
[16:09] <tpresence> well, it PRINTS the chars
[16:09] <Iota> tpresence: Yes.
[16:09] <tpresence> ok
[16:09] <Iota> I can type ls and it'll hang for about 8 seconds.
[16:10] <Iota> Not all the time. Just every now and then.
[16:10] <tpresence> sometimes its longer than that
[16:10] <tpresence> right
[16:10] <Iota> Sure.
[16:10] <BenO> Could be SD transfer speed perhaps?
[16:10] <tpresence> I have class 4 in there now
[16:10] <tpresence> I can go to class 10
[16:10] <PiOfCube> or class 10 SD? *shrugs*
[16:11] <PiOfCube> class 10 might have probs with the pi
[16:11] <tpresence> whyso?
[16:11] <mjr> yeah the sd lagging may well exhibit that way
[16:11] <BenO> At a guess, I'd say that it is blocking on I/O and waiting on SD
[16:12] <tpresence> perhaps
[16:12] <Iota> Interesting.
[16:12] <BenO> what's written on the side of an sd != what's inside
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[16:12] <tpresence> When Im done with this, Ill clone to class 10 and see
[16:12] <BenO> well, much of the time anyway
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[16:14] <tpresence> hexxen: after updating with your script, I get a partial post
[16:14] <tpresence> Just the raspberry drawn, will not boot.
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[16:16] <mkopack> 'sup gang?
[16:16] <mkopack> So, my Newark order has gone back to August 15??? LOL I swear, I don't think their system has a clue
[16:16] <BenO> mkopack, /wave. waking up after a long lie in ;)
[16:17] <mkopack> Wish I could have...
[16:17] <tpresence> Im going to load up the 04/19 image
[16:17] <BenO> mkopack, On the bright side, at least they have an order on record - I think they are quite a few people who think they ordered, but the orders were lost in flaming server wreckage
[16:17] <mkopack> yeah, true
[16:18] <ReggieUK> I believe mine was lost
[16:18] <mkopack> Crap.. Wanted to set up the downloads for the newOS images. Let me remote desktop and do that...
[16:18] <ReggieUK> well, the one my dad put in for me
[16:18] <BenO> Have they summerised what's changed in the new image? Last email I got was that they were mainly putting out a release to fix hdmi issues
[16:18] <BenO> summarised*
[16:18] <mkopack> the main peg has a lit of changes on the Debian build
[16:18] <mkopack> page
[16:19] <BenO> of course, sorry. let-met-google-that-for-myself ;)
[16:20] <Hexxeh> Iota: Ah, I'll fix that
[16:20] <Hexxeh> tpresence: Any luck?
[16:22] <mkopack> Ok, those are going
[16:25] <BenO> I see Dom has posted up instructions to building XBMC on debian :)
[16:28] <tpresence> hexxeh, nah
[16:28] <tpresence> it booted to the pi logo
[16:28] <tpresence> hung
[16:28] <tpresence> still that way after 10 mins
[16:28] <Hexxeh> What Distro?
[16:28] <Hexxeh> No text under the logo at all?
[16:28] <tpresence> no text
[16:28] <tpresence> it was debian6-13-04-2012.zip
[16:29] <tpresence> updating to faster card with 6-19
[16:29] <Hexxeh> Huh, that's very odd... :/
[16:29] <Hexxeh> But if that's the behaviour you saw when manually updating the firmware, I guess it's to be expected
[16:29] <Hexxeh> Probably a regression that affects your setup
[16:29] <tpresence> I just copied the files
[16:29] <tpresence> did nothing else (when I manually di dit)
[16:30] <Hexxeh> Well, if you updated kernel.img, you'd need to update the modules, too
[16:30] <tpresence> I copied both /boot and /lib/modules
[16:30] <Hexxeh> And run depmod -a with the new kernel version?
[16:30] <tpresence> as well as /opt
[16:30] <tpresence> did not
[16:30] <Hexxeh> rpi-update does that for you, so if that didn't work, doing that step when doing it manually won't help
[16:31] <Hexxeh> Anybody else for testing before I publish this to my blog and get people angrily shouting it doesn't work?
[16:31] <tpresence> Im going to try the newer version
[16:31] <BenO> Hexxeh, I'll give it a go in a sec - booting
[16:31] <Hexxeh> BenO: cheers!
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[16:34] <Hexxeh> maybe i should put my USB enabled kernel on rpi-update :P
[16:34] <Hexxeh> oh, by the way
[16:34] <Hexxeh> by default it'll select the 224MB split
[16:35] <Matt> I have to say I'm rather liking this album
[16:35] <Hexxeh> pass another split as an arg to change the split
[16:35] <BenO> Hexxeh, Oke doke
[16:35] <BenO> y
[16:35] <BenO> wc
[16:35] <Hexxeh> so rpi-update 224 OR rpi-update 192 OR rpi-update 128
[16:35] <Matt> London Philharmonic Orchestra - The Greatest Video Game Music
[16:36] <BenO> Matt, Heh - it is good. We umm 'used' the virgin media stand to play that at gadget show live a few weeks ago ;)
[16:36] <Matt> I came across it in a rather roundabout way :)
[16:36] * Matt had the angry birds theme in his head all morning
[16:37] <Matt> so I went searching on youtube for an orchestral arrangement, and came across the LPO version from the album
[16:37] <BenO> they had a comp where you tweeted "ARTIST TITLE #gadgetvirgin" and it would queue on spotify to play at their stand
[16:37] <Matt> heh
[16:37] <BenO> We tested it with a rick roll, and went on from there
[16:38] <BenO> they turned down the volume after bob the builder followed the tellytubbies soundtrack
[16:38] <Matt> rofl
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[16:39] <BenO> But yeah, we put in imperial march and it picked the LPO version - which was cool :)
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Eh-Oh!
[16:39] <BenO> SpeedEvil, It was painful :) They filtered out some of ours - Shaddupayourface and The wurzels combine harvester
[16:39] <BenO> :(
[16:40] <BenO> Hexxeh, sudo reboot'ing now
[16:40] <Hexxeh> Good luck :)
[16:40] <BenO> no errors on a 128 split with the 'old' 13/04 img
[16:40] <Hexxeh> btw, debootstrapping a debian hardfloat image now
[16:40] <tpresence> hmm...might have trouble booting on class 10
[16:41] <Hexxeh> tpresence: Class 10 cards have problems
[16:41] <Matt> BenO: but those are good songs! :D
[16:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, are they flagging anything to make working out what version you are running easier?
[16:42] <Matt> good old joe dolche
[16:42] <Hexxeh> BenO: version of what?
[16:42] <BenO> Matt, I know, right? They played Flash, by Queen though
[16:42] <Matt> ah, can't go wrong with a bit of Queen
[16:42] <Matt> I've got a copy of the RPO Plays Queen
[16:42] <Matt> that's rather good
[16:42] <BenO> Hexxeh, whether you are on the shiniest new version from github or not
[16:42] <Hexxeh> BenO: Ah, don't think there's any way of knowing
[16:43] <Hexxeh> There's no versioning system I've seen
[16:43] <Hexxeh> Other than commit hashes
[16:43] <BenO> Well, it's booted and running. Composite works, about to see about the HDMI regression and whether that is fixed
[16:43] <tpresence> wtf
[16:43] <tpresence> it came up with 1184x624 mode in X
[16:43] <tpresence> the old version at least did 1280x720
[16:44] <Hexxeh> tpresence: I think some resolutions got broken in the latest version of the firmware
[16:44] <Hexxeh> 1600x1200 was affected iirc
[16:44] <wcchandler> Can somebody re-read this and make it sound more... clear? I think I'm blatently not reading it right: "This may require adding the --kernel-package parameter, as no default kernel exists for armel. As a workaround, you could specify "--kernel-package $any_package_name", and then manually install a kernel."
[16:44] <tpresence> I want 1080p damnit
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[16:44] <tpresence> but 1184x624 wtf?
[16:44] <BenO> tpresence, that's to cope with tv's that overscan IIRC - worth raising an issue/posting about it in the forums
[16:45] <tpresence> I just set a config.txt in the old version to fix it
[16:45] <tpresence> and now SSHD isnt running
[16:45] <wcchandler> so ermm.. just get the package for i386/64 bit then run --kernel-package $kernel-package-location ?
[16:45] <tpresence> what asshattery
[16:45] <tpresence> man I hate distro maintainers
[16:45] <Hexxeh> on the new debian, SSH isn't started by default iirc
[16:45] <tpresence> WHY?
[16:45] <wcchandler> tpresence: "security" ;)
[16:45] <tpresence> what fucking retard thought that was a good idea
[16:45] <tpresence> security my ass
[16:45] <Hexxeh> probably because the default un/pw were super weak and having that exposed to the network is a bad idea?
[16:45] <wcchandler> eben and asb
[16:45] <Purgox> :w
[16:45] <tpresence> you block root if you are worried about it
[16:46] <Purgox> That awkard moment when I realized I've got no USB keyboard or mouse...
[16:46] <barrybarryk> you can set it to start automatically yourself
[16:46] <Hexxeh> Can anyone suggest a benchmark I can use to compare softfp and hardfp performance?
[16:46] <Hexxeh> Bringing a Debian hardfloat image up now
[16:46] <barrybarryk> its for those that dont know what it is so they dont leave it on without knowing
[16:46] <tpresence> These idiots that dont understand unix need to stop maintaining the distros
[16:47] <BenO> Hexxeh, he fixed the Packages issue?
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[16:47] <Hexxeh> BenO: yep! works a treat now
[16:47] <Hexxeh> debootstrap is a dream to use...
[16:47] <barrybarryk> rarely is ssh one by default in any distro
[16:47] <barrybarryk> *on
[16:47] <BenO> tpresence, don't worry - if the guy doing the hardfp distro himself succeeds, most devs will jump ship
[16:47] <Hexxeh> BenO: I think he's looking for help in creating an image, actually
[16:48] <Hexxeh> I'm gonna give him a hand, and produce the image myself
[16:48] <wcchandler> barrybarryk: rhel, debian, sles...
[16:48] <BenO> Hexxeh, Then you can be like a god! You may have openssh, but you cannot have pulseaudio. I HAVE SPOKEN!
[16:48] <Hexxeh> It's funny, the first Debian machine I ever used was a 1.6ghz single core Pentium 4. The Pi is pretty much the same speed in real world use.
[16:48] <wcchandler> all have it on by default ;)
[16:49] <BenO> wcchandler, true, but I can see their point as those distros force you to pick a un/pw at install time
[16:49] <BenO> If the image did that too, that would fix that perhaps
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[16:51] <BenO> "cross-debootstrapping" = mouthful
[16:51] <wcchandler> can it detect hdmi cable's connected?
[16:52] <BenO> wcchandler, I think it also needs a live connection and a successful get of the EDID of the hdmi device
[16:54] <wcchandler> then why not if (hdmi_connection == false) { start sshd }
[16:55] <wcchandler> when the username/password is still default
[16:55] <wcchandler> then on initial login prompt the user to change password or disable ssh
[16:55] <wcchandler> or sshd will be disabled, make it an option
[16:55] <Matt> just use a kernel param :)
[16:55] <wcchandler> fine
[16:56] <Matt> that's prolly simpler
[16:56] <wcchandler> Matt: stop being a voice of reason! I have anger and individuals to opress!!
[16:57] <Hexxeh> Done a quick write-up for rpi-updater here: http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
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[16:58] <Purgox> that's a nice logo.
[16:58] <BenO> Hexxeh, I haven't got the hardfp toolchain fired up - I should be able to use the softfp kernel I've built with the hardfp packages?
[16:58] <Hexxeh> kernel isn't built for either specifically iirc, so sure i guess
[16:58] <Purgox> Hexxeh: small protip: /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin
[16:58] <Purgox> in the README of rpi-update
[16:58] <BenO> Hexxeh, trying a 2 for 1 -> hardfp and switching to USB rootfs in one ;)(
[16:59] <Hexxeh> Purgox: what's wrong with /usr/bin? :P
[16:59] <Hexxeh> BenO: using debootstrap?
[16:59] * mkopack is starting to think a lot of this sort of RPi "kernel" and updating stuff needs to get put somewhere centralized
[16:59] <Hexxeh> mkopack: That's what I've done...
[16:59] <mkopack> Like in a set of threads on the forum or something
[16:59] <BenO> Hexxeh, about to. Just clearing a USB drive now
[16:59] <Hexxeh> I'm hoping that distro makers will adopt the tool
[16:59] <mkopack> so it can be discussed there rather than just here and lost if you don't happen to be in the room at th time
[17:00] <Purgox> Hexxeh: meant for distribution packages, not for user-installed ones
[17:00] <Purgox> /usr/local is for user-installed ones.
[17:01] <wcchandler> are you guys documenting any of your rootfs stuff? i'm about to enter that world
[17:02] <Hexxeh> having entirely new images for people to download just to get new firmware seems so wasteful
[17:04] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[17:04] * SpeedEvil stabs 'ROMs'
[17:05] <BenO> Hexxeh, This look sane? sudo debootstrap --arch=armhf wheezy /tmp/wheezyhardfp http://debian.raspbian.com/debian
[17:06] <Hexxeh> uh, using /tmp is a bad idea
[17:06] <Hexxeh> other than that, yes
[17:06] <BenO> heh, true
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[17:07] <Hexxeh> it's easier if you debootstrap straight onto a partition on the device you'll be installing to
[17:07] <Hexxeh> i'm actually using one pi to bootstrap the USB stick for another to boot from
[17:07] <BenO> heh
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[17:13] <Purgox> I'm curious if my buildroot will work.
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[17:16] <markus> buildr00t :)
[17:17] <Purgox> build-rooted
[17:17] <haltdef> you know you can cross-chroot with qemu, Hexxeh?
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[17:17] <Hexxeh> haltdef: yeah
[17:17] <haltdef> good
[17:18] <haltdef> I wish someone told me that sooner
[17:18] <Hexxeh> it has it's problems though
[17:18] <haltdef> worked fine for me
[17:18] <haltdef> though, armv7
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[17:20] <DaQatz> cross chroot? Oi...
[17:21] <DaQatz> At least crossdev is fairly simple to work with.
[17:21] <haltdef> wut
[17:22] <Purgox> buildroot is still compiling the toolchain
[17:22] <Purgox> this will take ages
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[17:26] <markus> haltdef: what do you mean by cross-chroot with qemu?
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[17:28] <BenO> Hexxeh, what were the combo of boot params you used to usb boot?
[17:28] <Hexxeh> same as normal except root=/dev/sda2
[17:29] <BenO> Hexxeh, Hmm bugger...
[17:29] <Purgox> QUESTION!
[17:29] <Purgox> How do you pass parameters to the kernel?
[17:29] <Purgox> On the Pi itself
[17:31] <BenO> Purgox, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/config-txt?value=config.txt&type=1&include=1&search=3
[17:32] <Purgox> Ah, thanks.
[17:32] <Purgox> That helps a lot. :3
[17:32] <Purgox> woot, overclock options
[17:32] <Purgox> :v
[17:33] <BenO> Purgox, but then again, I'm having trouble getting an option to stick so...
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[17:33] <BenO> someone else might have a better idea
[17:33] <Iota> Can you set the keymap in the config.txt file?
[17:34] <haltdef> markus, chroot into an arm rootfs from a non-arm machine
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[17:44] <BenO> Iota, not sure but worth a go if it is a normal kernel param
[17:45] * BenO needs to go make something that he can put sriracha on
[17:46] <Iota> Yeah, I'm just looking now. I use Dvorak, so it absolutely kills me trying out all these new distros, I end up ssh'ing.
[17:46] <BenO> My first attempt at a cross-chroot failed so am just sucking it up and doing it on the pi
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[17:55] <BenO> I think I may have grandkids before this pi finishes debootstrapping... so slow in comparison to desktop machine!
[17:55] <BenO> #speedwegetaccustomedto
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[17:59] <Hexxeh> BenO: Took like 10 minutes on a Pi :o
[18:00] <Hexxeh> is there a way to easily determine whether the currently running system is hardfp or softfp?
[18:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, well, whatever it is doing, it's frozen my ssh session and drops all attempts to relogin
[18:00] <Guest68434> is it me or is alsamixer acting silly on the new image?
[18:00] <Hexxeh> trying to add the VC libs to rpi-updater
[18:00] <BenO> Guest37021, It's broken
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[18:01] <BenO> Hydrazine, You can build my version that works to an extent
[18:01] <Hydrazine> where can I find yours?
[18:01] <BenO> or I can put up my built version I think...
[18:01] <BenO> Hydrazine, It doesn't fix the underlying issues with alsa though
[18:01] <Hydrazine> the only wolume I can set it now is loud and clipping :P
[18:02] <Hydrazine> volume*
[18:02] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: 20.0.1086.0 seems to fail to build in some interesting ways so trying 19.something.
[18:02] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: interesting, what's the failure?
[18:03] <BenO> Hydrazine, trying to put it on dropbox atm
[18:03] <Hydrazine> ah thx
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[18:03] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: i'll pull it back out of screen in a bit, sorry, just watched it fly off the screen but pretty sure it's ARMv7 stuff trying to be built for ARMv6
[18:04] <Hexxeh> alright, cool, keep me posted
[18:05] <BenO> Hydrazine, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49868798/snd-bcm2835.ko
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[18:06] <Hydrazine> thx, I'll try that one tonight
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[18:07] <BenO> Hydrazine, back up the existing /lib/modules/3.1.9+/..../snd_bcm2835.ko and replace
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[18:10] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: woot, different error but it's trying to build NEON still, even with it off in the gypi
[18:10] <Hexxeh> odd :/
[18:10] <Hexxeh> also, booted hardfp debian, woo
[18:10] <BenO> Hexxeh, nice - mine kernel panicd!
[18:10] <BenO> during debootstrap!
[18:11] <DJWillis> Hmmm, my HardFP Debian panicd during bootstrap so went back to OE ;)/
[18:11] <Hexxeh> did you have the alsa module loaded?
[18:11] <BenO> Hexxeh, nope - clean boot
[18:12] <Hexxeh> strange...
[18:12] <Hexxeh> i forgot to set a password though heh, so i can't login xD
[18:12] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[18:14] <Hexxeh> boots in about 30 seconds btw
[18:14] <Hexxeh> from a USB stick
[18:15] <wcchandler> are you guys using this guide for building custom kernels? http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[18:15] <Hexxeh> you don't really need a rpi specific guide
[18:15] <Hexxeh> it's no different to cross compiling any other kernel
[18:15] <BenO> wcchandler, I had built one using that guide. WorksForMe ;)
[18:16] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: only thing I wasn't sure on was the image source files on github
[18:16] <Hydrazine> BenO: works perfectly now, thx
[18:16] <BenO> Hydrazine, no probs - but there is a bug with the card
[18:17] <Hexxeh> uh, on the default debian image, everyone will have the same ssh host keys, won't they...?
[18:17] <BenO> each time you open a new connection to it, it ignores alsa and resets to its own default
[18:17] <Hydrazine> ow
[18:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, That sounds right ;)
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[18:17] <Hydrazine> does everyone have the same mac-address too?
[18:17] <Hydrazine> or is that one hardware dependant?
[18:18] <Hexxeh> heh, no, those are unique
[18:18] <BenO> Hydrazine, shouldn't do - read from hw unless they've overridden it by mistake...
[18:18] <Hexxeh> but ssh keys are generated when the sshd is installed, which was when the image was mastered
[18:18] <BenO> but v unlikely
[18:18] <Hydrazine> i noticed mine changed between arch and debian
[18:19] <Hydrazine> different mac address I mean
[18:19] <Hexxeh> any benchmarks i can run to compare softfp and hardfp performance?
[18:20] <BenO> Hydrazine, HWaddr b8:27:eb:b6:74:08 ?
[18:20] <Hexxeh> mine ends in aa, so that's fine
[18:20] <Hydrazine> 9c here
[18:20] <BenO> Well that's something at least ;)
[18:20] <Hydrazine> would give some awesome networking problems :P
[18:20] <BenO> would've been a pretty impressive cockup if all the 10k units shared a MAC ;)
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[18:23] <DJWillis> BenO: would not be the 1st time ;)
[18:24] <BenO> DJWillis, true that. I'm retrying debootstrap on debian img to see what the panic was btw
[18:24] <Hexxeh> is linpack a good tool to compare softfp/hardfp?
[18:24] <Hexxeh> trying to show the advantage here... :P
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[18:25] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: I strugged to find 'that' much differance in basic testing in the past ;)
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[18:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, I've remember some folk getting a feeling for the speedup using glxgears w/ mesa, due to the high no of float/etc calls
[18:26] <DJWillis> BenO: that or something tinygl based maybe?
[18:27] <BenO> DJWillis, sounds about right, yeah :)
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[18:28] <Hexxeh> i'll try compressing a file using bzip2
[18:28] <shirro> remember is not just hardfloat advantage. is also compiled for armv6.
[18:29] <Hexxeh> true
[18:29] <DJWillis> Well that may provide a bigger jump.
[18:29] <Hexxeh> ooh
[18:29] <Hexxeh> i know
[18:30] <Hexxeh> quake 3 gives you an average fps on the timedemo, right?
[18:30] <DJWillis> Yep
[18:30] <Hexxeh> that might be a good real-world example
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[18:33] <Hexxeh> okay, so armelhf took 3 minutes 23 seconds to bzip2 a 50MB file
[18:34] <Hexxeh> i'll copy the file over to the reference debian image and try compressing it there
[18:34] <shirro> if you want to look at integer performance perhaps compare openssl speed sha256 or openssl speed aes-256-cbc or something
[18:34] <hotwings> ouch
[18:34] <hotwings> thats some slowness
[18:35] <Hexxeh> it's running on a usb stick, of course
[18:35] <Hexxeh> so that won't help
[18:35] <hotwings> apt-get upgrade would be an all-day process
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[18:35] <Hexxeh> apt-get install build-essential only took a minute or two
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[18:36] <curahack> Latest images added to RPi-Developers: https://rpi-developers.com/frs/?group_id=7
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[18:40] <Hexxeh> running bzip2 on the reference image, same usb stick
[18:40] <Hexxeh> it's already slower, remains to be seen just how much slower
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[18:42] <Hexxeh> 5 minutes 16 seconds
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[18:43] <hotwings> well, to the foundations credit, they never claimed the thing would be even remotely fast
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[18:43] <hotwings> could be worse.. you could be bzip2'ing 50MB with a c64
[18:43] <Purgox> The images are so big.
[18:43] <Hexxeh> that's like a 50% improvement
[18:44] <Hexxeh> well, almost 50%
[18:44] <shirro> And that is without considering the hardfloat improvement to floating point. Hard to see how you can lose.
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[18:45] <hotwings> i really hope they provide an absolute minimum image. base install only, no extra crap.. no xorg, no qt, etc
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[18:46] <Hexxeh> it's really easy to make your own
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[18:46] <SirLagz> Hi
[18:46] <Hexxeh> like, 20 minutes work, really.
[18:47] <hotwings> Hexxeh - was under the impression it was still a pain in the tail. in that case, ill just write a script to build images for me :)
[18:49] <Hexxeh> nope, dead easy with debian
[18:49] <Hexxeh> here's the full set of benchmarks for anyone interested: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/debian-hard-float-armhf-for-rpi/page-12/#p67763
[18:49] <Hexxeh> there's some advantage when decompressing too, but not as much
[18:50] <Purgox> iirc it's just debootstrap + own kernel, right?
[18:50] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[18:53] <BenO> DJWillis, did you by any chance run debootstrap on a ssh connection?
[18:53] <Iota> Hexxeh: Just gave your latest version a go but got an issue with stat. $SELF gives the file but not the directory. So it's saying "No such file or directory".
[18:53] <DJWillis> BenO: Yep
[18:53] <Iota> rpi-update, I'm refering to.
[18:53] <BenO> DJWillis, (w/ debian) running again direct on a tty seems to go okay so far. no panic
[18:54] <Hexxeh> Iota: oh dear..
[18:54] <Iota> stat -c '%a' /usr/bin/rpi-update
[18:54] <Iota> That works.
[18:54] <Hexxeh> What's it actually running?
[18:54] <des2> Do you miss Pentium 300's? You too can relive that age through the Raspberry Pi.
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[18:54] <Iota> stat -c '%a' rpi-update
[18:54] <Iota> That's what I believe it's running.
[18:54] <Iota> It just gives the error stat: cannot stat ???rpi-update???: No such file or directory
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[18:55] <Hexxeh> Iota: try cd /usr/bin
[18:55] <Hexxeh> and then running it
[18:56] <Iota> That's fine.
[18:56] <Purgox> Raspbian seems nice.
[18:56] <Hexxeh> Iota: okay, on the stat line in the script, try replacing $SELF with $0
[18:57] <SirLagz> Raspbian does seem very nice. I'm waiting on my Pi so I can run it :D
[18:57] <Purgox> I'm gonna try to debootstrap it now
[18:57] <Purgox> :)
[18:57] <SirLagz> lol
[18:57] <Iota> Hexxeh: That worked.
[18:57] <SirLagz> Just rubbing it in my face :P
[18:58] <Hexxeh> Iota: alright cool, i'll change it then
[18:58] <Iota> Went back to /root/ and ran it and it's fine
[18:58] <Purgox> SirLagz: if it's any consolation, I can't do anything on my pi due not having an USB keyboard available
[18:58] <Purgox> :v
[18:58] <SirLagz> Purgox: that's what SSH is for :P
[18:58] <Purgox> fair point, but that won't output anything to my tv/monitor :)
[18:58] <BenO> synergy2?
[18:59] <Hexxeh> Iota: uploaded update, redownload :)
[18:59] <SirLagz> well.
[18:59] <Hexxeh> oh, sec, wait
[18:59] <Hexxeh> upload failed
[18:59] <Hexxeh> argh
[18:59] <SirLagz> ps2 -> usb adapter ?
[18:59] <BenO> Purgox, http://synergy-foss.org/
[18:59] <Purgox> I've got no external keyboard at all here
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[18:59] <SirLagz> oh right. lol
[18:59] <Purgox> At my parental house, only laptops here.
[18:59] <SirLagz> ahh
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[18:59] <Hexxeh> okay, done Iota, give it a shot
[18:59] <SirLagz> well in that case, synergy sounds good.
[19:00] <Purgox> BenO: hmm, looks good, will look into it. Thanks. :)
[19:00] <Purgox> Although it's only a temporary problem really
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[19:00] <SirLagz> I've used synergy before and I like it
[19:00] <BenO> Purgox, haven't tried it on the pi, but used to use it all the time to hop between machines on my desk
[19:00] <SirLagz> thought don't know how it will like the Pi though
[19:01] <Purgox> pff, it's taking ages to clone the linux git repo...
[19:01] <Purgox> and JUST as I typed that it finished
[19:01] <Iota> Hexxeh: Updated and worked fine. :)
[19:01] <Hexxeh> awesome, thanks Iota
[19:01] <BenO> Hexxeh, DJWillis aside from setting root passwd, are there any other debootstrap gotchas?
[19:01] <Hexxeh> nope
[19:04] <Hexxeh> can someone run the quake3 timedemo on the reference debian image and let me know what the results are?
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[19:07] <BenO> ARGH! just realised... I don't have my kernel on it, do I! I used the rpi-update. No wonder USB root fs wasn't taking
[19:07] <Hexxeh> BenO: need a kernel and modules?
[19:08] <Hexxeh> http://radium.hexxeh.net/kernel.img http://radium.hexxeh.net/modules.tar.gz
[19:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, I have some I built, but any offers accepted :)
[19:08] <BenO> thanks :)
[19:08] <Hexxeh> those work good for me
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[19:08] <BenO> 224 split?
[19:08] <BenO> I guess it doesn't matter
[19:09] <Hexxeh> might as well for now
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[19:10] <Purgox> BenO: debootstrap --arch=armhf --no-check-gpg wheezy build http://debian.raspbian.com/debian
[19:10] <Purgox> this is what I'm currently using
[19:11] <BenO> Purgox, ditto
[19:11] <BenO> minus the build, but I've added that in chroot
[19:11] <Purgox> :)
[19:11] <Purgox> build is just the target dire
[19:11] <Purgox> dir*
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[19:12] <Hexxeh> you don't need the no-check-gpg
[19:12] <Hexxeh> might be worth adding verbose though
[19:12] <BenO> yeah, I didn't spot that first :) there is a mini script to do build-essentials in debootstrap options someplace
[19:12] <Purgox> Hexxeh: meh, didn't have the key imported
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[19:12] <Purgox> couldn't be bothered with it
[19:12] <Hexxeh> neither did i lol
[19:13] <Purgox> well, it threw me an error.
[19:13] <Purgox> signed with unknown GPG key
[19:13] <Hexxeh> strange, i didn't get that
[19:14] <Hexxeh> i get gpg errors from apt-get when running the image
[19:14] <Hexxeh> so i added it after booting the image
[19:14] <Hexxeh> but not during debootstrap
[19:15] <Hexxeh> you'll want to apt-get install ca-certificates once it's booted, btw
[19:15] <Hexxeh> and probably openssh-server
[19:15] <Purgox> hmm.
[19:16] <Purgox> it failed when chrooting
[19:16] <Purgox> replicating:
[19:16] <Purgox> $ sudo chroot build mount -t proc proc /proc
[19:16] <Purgox> chroot: failed to run command `mount': Exec format error
[19:16] <Purgox> :v
[19:16] <Purgox> it's armhf binaries, what did debootstrap expect
[19:17] <BenO> Hexxeh, with your kernel, and modules in the USB root (sda1) + config.txt -> "root=/dev/sda1", it still boots the old sd partition... I'm being stupid but can't spot the error...
[19:17] <Hexxeh> make sure the cmdline.txt is on the sd card first partition, not the usb
[19:18] <Purgox> Hmm, I'll try --foreign
[19:18] <Hexxeh> oh dear
[19:18] <Hexxeh> raspbian just crashed
[19:19] <Hexxeh> it's spewing stuff across the screen so fast i can't read it
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[19:19] <SirLagz> kernel panic ?
[19:19] <Hexxeh> happened when i put it under heavy network/disk load
[19:21] <BenO> Hexxeh, thanks - it was pebkac
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[19:24] <Purgox> well
[19:24] <Purgox> looks like I created a rootfs!
[19:24] <Hexxeh> grats :)
[19:24] <shirro> I just started running a povray demo on a Cortex A8 1Ghz with its really shitty floating point. Going to sleep now. Will post numbers tomorrow. Can a Pi do better?
[19:24] <Purgox> now how do I set the password?
[19:24] <Purgox> :)
[19:24] <Hexxeh> Purgox: chroot, passwd root, exit
[19:24] <Purgox> Hexxeh: but it's armhf binaries
[19:24] <Hexxeh> you'll need to chroot with qemu though
[19:24] <Hexxeh> yeah
[19:24] <Hexxeh> qemu
[19:24] <Purgox> ah.
[19:24] <Purgox> magic
[19:25] <Purgox> qemu on a headless server?
[19:25] <Hexxeh> or, do what i did and debootstrap on a pi, so you CAN chroot :p
[19:25] <Purgox> jere we goo
[19:25] <Purgox> here we goo*
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[19:25] <curahack> wait what QEMU can run headless?!
[19:25] <Hexxeh> yes
[19:25] <Hexxeh> but uh
[19:25] <Hexxeh> in this case, you don't even need to worry about that
[19:25] <Hexxeh> use user mode
[19:26] <Hexxeh> http://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation
[19:26] <Hexxeh> shirro: How'd I run this, exactly?
[19:26] <Hexxeh> Downloaded it now from the worlds slowest FTP server
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[19:28] <shirro> I compiled povray with no special optimisations. It is using armv7/thumb2/vfp3/O3. There is an ini file and a banchmark.pov on the benchmark page.
[19:28] <Hexxeh> compiling now
[19:29] <shirro> It might take hours. I might try it with neon tomorrow night but I want to use the board tomorrow. It is probably a pretty good test of FP. Much more FP than any normal person would use I suspect.
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[19:29] <Hexxeh> hours to run or to compile? or both?
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[19:30] <shirro> Didn't take that long to compile by arm standards. minutes not hours
[19:30] <shirro> will probably take hours to run but I am off to sleep
[19:30] <Hexxeh> i'll leave it running whilst i go do the shopping then
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[19:33] <shirro> Hope you are shopping a long way away. Saw in a forum it took 10 hours on a beagleboard
[19:34] <Hexxeh> is there not a shorter benchmark I can try? :P
[19:34] <shirro> 1hr30 on a panda and 20 minutes on an i7 - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/igI4h3Kh0Xc
[19:35] <shirro> Might be one to run overnight
[19:36] <Hexxeh> oh wow, i didn't realise the panda packed so much kick
[19:37] <shirro> Also the Cortex A8 has a really poor floating point implementation. Think it lacks pipelining or something technical. Clock for clock the Pi might beat it.
[19:39] * BenO has a wheezy hardfp! thanks Hexxeh
[19:39] <Hexxeh> BenO: try something for me, see if you get a kpanic too
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[19:39] <Hexxeh> download this using wget https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tarball/master
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[19:41] <BenO> Ah... it cannot see eth0..
[19:41] <BenO> whoops
[19:41] <markus> haltdef: is that different from running qemu like i normally do, just virtualizing an arm machine?
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[19:51] <BenO> Hexxeh, yep d/ling that large file caused some hardcore kernel panicing in what looks like the 'sn8x' driver sci8x. scsi8x? something like that. Moves v fast
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[19:52] <Iota> :o
[19:52] <Hexxeh> it'd be handy if my TV had a freeze function
[19:52] <Hexxeh> but it doesn't
[19:53] <Hexxeh> my projector does, though, i could power it up connected to that tonight and freeze the picture to see what it's saying
[19:53] <BenO> It's smsc95xx
[19:53] <Hexxeh> the ethernet driver
[19:53] <BenO> that's the thing that is borking in amongst the panics
[19:53] <BenO> or warning - can't tell, moving too quick
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[19:56] <BenO> Redoing to see if I can confirm
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[19:58] <BenO> kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
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[19:58] <BenO> looks like a collision between eth and usb perhaps
[19:59] <wcchandler> Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpdinvoke-rc.d: initscript tftpd-hpa, action "start" failed.
[19:59] <wcchandler> :(
[19:59] <namfonos> im on the #raspberypi channel on my raspberry pi
[19:59] <namfonos> piding seems to work not to abd
[19:59] <Iota> Nice, namfonos. :)
[19:59] <namfonos> bad*
[20:00] <namfonos> anybody able to use any browsers?
[20:01] <namfonos> i was able a couple running temporarily
[20:01] <Iota> I believe midori, firefox, netsurf work.
[20:01] <mozzwald> BenO: power problem perhaps
[20:01] <namfonos> i had luakit running
[20:01] <Hexxeh> chromium works too, but the one in the debian repos is ancient
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[20:02] <namfonos> im on arch
[20:02] <BenO> mozzwald, it's a possibility - it's got a pretty decent supply
[20:02] <mozzwald> did you check voltage?
[20:03] <mozzwald> ..on the test points?
[20:04] <BenO> mozzwald, not yet
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[20:06] <mozzwald> i had major instability then checked voltage and it was averaging 4.6v. turns out the usb cables I was trying were the culprit.
[20:06] <mozzwald> and I'm using a powered hub too
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[20:06] <BenO> mozzwald, Oh no, it works fine normally - the current setup is a little exotic :)
[20:06] <BenO> mozzwald, USB rootfs and the new hardfp debian build
[20:07] <mozzwald> ah.. i see. doing some testing, eh?
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[20:20] <BenO> not voltage - stays roughly constant. I don't have an easy way of seeing current draw either
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[20:21] <BenO> Hexxeh, One thing I did spot is that for the eth complaint, it was: "kevent may have dropped .. (interrupt? event?)"
[20:21] <wcchandler> Unsupported ioctl: cmd=0xffffffffc020660b
[20:21] <wcchandler> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 341
[20:21] <Hexxeh> BenO: dom is posting in the debian hf thread, mention it there see what he suggests
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[20:22] <Purgox> Hmm
[20:22] <Purgox> how do I make a multi-partition .img file?
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[20:22] <Purgox> I've dd-ed an empty file and partitioned it
[20:22] <Purgox> but now I don't know how to format those partitions
[20:23] <Hexxeh> loop mount them
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[20:23] <Hexxeh> be sure you pass offset AND size
[20:23] <Hexxeh> else you'll just screw things up
[20:23] <Hexxeh> i wrote a tool for building virtual machine images last summer
[20:23] <Purgox> can you even mount an unpartitioned partition?
[20:23] <Purgox> err
[20:23] <Purgox> unformatted
[20:23] <Hexxeh> as in, losetup
[20:23] <Hexxeh> not mount -o loop
[20:23] <Purgox> right
[20:24] <Hexxeh> check out lines 96-136: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoaster.git;a=blob;f=create_image.sh;h=12efa48d6266412fafbda2f2221da79bf905ebc7;hb=HEAD
[20:24] <Hexxeh> if you gave it a cross-toolchain, that script would probably let you build a gentoo rootfs for the pi, too :p
[20:24] <Purgox> why is your name so familiar...
[20:25] <Purgox> Also, gotta love Gentoo
[20:25] <Purgox>
[20:25] <Purgox> Bwaa, my tilde is gone.
[20:25] <wcchandler> Purgox: because he's mortherf**king Hexxeh
[20:26] <Hexxeh> i honestly didn't realise i was this well known :P
[20:26] <Hexxeh> i went to a uni interview like 18 months ago, somebody who was at the same interview day actually recognised me as hexxeh
[20:26] * Hexxeh shrug
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[20:28] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:28] * Hexxeh really afk this time
[20:28] <Purgox> see you around
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[20:35] <Purgox> ah, right
[20:35] <Purgox> Chromium OS builds by Hexxeh.
[20:35] <Purgox> That??s where I knew you from
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[20:40] <Iota> Well, time for dinner.
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[20:46] <wcchandler> Purgox: yeah there was an article on ars recently about it, as I was reading it I was like.. hmm.. that name looks really familiar
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[20:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, the eth/usb collision also happens with the stock debian img too (if rootfs on usb)
[20:50] <BenO> (just fyi)
[20:50] <BenO> just need heavy load on usb storage and eth to trigger it
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Is it an actual error - or just resource contention?
[20:51] <BenO> SpeedEvil, kernel panics
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[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Oh noes!
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[20:52] <BenO> SpeedEvil, panics come from the usb storage driver, and kernel errors from the eth driver
[20:52] <BenO> both about dropped/missing interrupts
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[20:52] <BenO> About to try it w/ fs on SD but with heavy loads on usb and eth
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[20:54] <Purgox> hmm
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[20:55] <Purgox> I tried installing qemu-user-static to have ARM support
[20:55] <Purgox> and then
[20:55] <Purgox> $ usr/bin/passwd
[20:55] <Purgox> usr/bin/passwd: Cannot allocate memory
[20:55] <Purgox> +v
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[20:56] <mozzwald> BenO: i just hooked up external usb hdd and i'm having similar issues: smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: Failed to read register index 0x00000114
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[20:56] <BenO> Is it an externally powered HD?
[20:57] <mozzwald> usb powered, but connected to powered hub
[20:57] <BenO> Hmmm... I'm just about to stress test it
[20:58] <mozzwald> hmm.. removed usb wifi stick and it seems to work now. hub must not be providing enough power
[21:00] <mozzwald> BenO: are you using powered hub or connecting directly to pi?
[21:00] <BenO> USB stick so powered by the pi
[21:01] <mozzwald> i wonder if it doesn't have enough power
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[21:02] <BenO> mozzwald, unfortunately, I can't seem to replicate the oops when the rootfs is on the SD
[21:03] <Purgox> pff
[21:03] <Purgox> can someone just paste me the appropriate line from their passwd_
[21:04] <mozzwald> BenO: if you boot from sd, connect usb stick and do some read/write to stick it works fine?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> BenO: do you have swap on the usb?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> did
[21:05] <BenO> mozzwald, seems to - swap wasn't on for all attempts (afaik)
[21:05] <BenO> Will take recommendations on things to stress the storage though
[21:06] <BenO> was just cat'ing large things into a file/ installing things via apt-get
[21:08] <mozzwald> dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/usb/garbage.file bs=4K count=256M (will write a 1gb file)
[21:08] <BenO> I was using /dev/urandom
[21:09] <mozzwald> or try hdparm
[21:10] <mjr> urandom probably stresses the pi cpu more than the drive ;)
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[21:11] <BenO> mjr, mozzwald yeah - I'm trying again, but with a premade random file (100Mb)
[21:11] <Purgox> Could anyone paste their rootline from their raspberry??s /etc/shadow, please_
[21:12] <BenO> in a loop, cat'ing, syncing and then deleting the copy
[21:12] <Purgox> (that underscore was meant to be a question mark)
[21:12] <Purgox> Can't run passwd arm binary so I'll hav eto replace it myself
[21:13] <Iota> I'm not sure you can do that.
[21:13] <Purgox> Is it host-bound then
[21:13] <Purgox> (insert question mark after)
[21:13] <Purgox> My keyboard currently can't type question marks
[21:13] <Purgox> I thought only username and salt-bound
[21:13] <Iota> I'm not entirely sure. But I have a vague memory of trying to do this a long time ago.
[21:14] <mozzwald> Purgox: put qemu-arm-static in /usr/bin of rootfs and chroot into it, then run passwd
[21:14] <Iota> It checks against another file I believe, to see if it's been manually modified or something maybe.
[21:15] <Purgox> mozzwald: gives me a can't allocate file error.
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[21:15] <Purgox> err
[21:15] <Purgox> can't allocate memory, even
[21:17] <mozzwald> hmm.. i dunno then. works fine for me on ubuntu
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[21:25] <BenO> Hmm the type of usage that seems to trigger it is the same sort 'apt-cache' does it seems
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[21:27] <Purgox> hmm
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[21:28] <Purgox> is debootstrap supposed to not include an /etc/passwd
[21:32] <BenO> I got some good news and some bad news
[21:32] <Iota> :o
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[21:32] <Purgox> I got bad and bad news.
[21:32] <BenO> good news: looks like there is nothing wrong with using usb for rootfs in theory
[21:33] <BenO> bad news: I managed to recreate USB and eth clash panic with the stock img from SD
[21:33] <Purgox> recreation isn't bad per se
[21:33] <Purgox> |v
[21:33] <BenO> the trick was to try to open and read lots of files on the USB while d/ling heavily from eth to USB
[21:33] <BenO> so yeah... that sucks
[21:33] <Purgox> also
[21:34] <Purgox> pr0 passwd coding
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Well - reproducable bugs are good.
[21:34] <BenO> Indeed - is this a firmware or a 'linux' issue you reckon?
[21:34] <Purgox> # groupmod -R /chroot/build -g 0 root
[21:34] <Purgox> groupmod: group 'root' does not exist
[21:34] <Purgox> # cat build/etc/group
[21:34] <Purgox> root:!:1000:
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Who knows.
[21:34] <Purgox> what.
[21:34] <Purgox> also, my guess is on firmware.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Could even be PSU.
[21:35] <Purgox> Then it??s still a firmware issue
[21:36] <BenO> SpeedEvil, been monitoring that as much as I could - no voltage drop, and the psu can do just under 800mA last time I tried (it's rated to 1A but you know about that)
[21:36] <Purgox> Kernel panicking on sudden power loss of component != good
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> BenO - probably not then
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> Purgox: not if the power supply is third party
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[21:36] <SpeedEvil> then kernel panics on it being crap are entirely expected
[21:36] <Purgox> It??s conceptually, not good.
[21:36] <BenO> Time to file another bug then...
[21:37] <wcchandler> Mount shows it's mounted with (rw,dev,exec) but I get this error: E: Cannot install into target '/media/usb/armel' mounted with noexec or nodev
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[21:38] <Dennis8162> hi
[21:38] <Purgox> hello
[21:38] <Purgox> pff
[21:38] <Purgox> Anyone care to dump their minimal debian image
[21:39] <Dennis8162> so whats the raspberrypi like?
[21:39] <Purgox> Very tasty.
[21:39] <Dennis8162> lol
[21:39] <Purgox> also very mathematical.
[21:39] <wcchandler> 3.141592537(?)95(??)
[21:40] <Dennis8162> does it have a 700mhz processor?
[21:40] <Purgox> Do you even ACPI
[21:40] <Purgox> It's supposed to, Dennis8162
[21:40] <Dennis8162> nice where can i buy one from? in the uk
[21:40] <Purgox> A bit late to the party, eh
[21:40] <Purgox> Resellers are right on the RPi site
[21:41] <Dennis8162> ok
[21:41] <Purgox> Currently RS Electronics, Allie Delec and element14/Farnell
[21:41] <zleap> ohh thasts new Allie Delec
[21:41] <Dennis8162> can you use it like any other computer with a linux o/s
[21:41] <zleap> do rs still have the express an interest page ?
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[21:44] <Purgox> Dennis8162: Linux is currently the only supported OS as far as I know
[21:44] <Purgox> save for some hobby OSes maybe
[21:44] <Purgox> zleap: I got my Pi from RS
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[21:45] <zleap> i expressed an interest ages ago, got a confirm e-mail i keep checking the site to find out how to order
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[21:45] <zleap> or i got an e-mail to confirm i had expressed an intereset
[21:45] <zleap> interest
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[21:47] <Purgox> I expressed interest 2 minutes after sale went up
[21:47] <Purgox> got my pi 2 days ago
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[21:47] <Dennis8162> sweet
[21:47] <Dennis8162> isn't there a one with more memory?
[21:47] <Purgox> nope, both Model A and B feature 256MB now
[21:47] <Purgox> before, model A had 128MB
[21:48] <Dennis8162> lol my netbook only has 1 gb of ram
[21:48] <Thorn_> and was your pi worth the wait, Purgox
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[21:48] <zleap> Purgox, i guess i didn'tmake the first x to express an interest
[21:49] <Purgox> Thorn_: dunno, I don't have a USB keyboard to operate it with
[21:49] <Purgox> |
[21:49] <BenO> Dom must effing hate me by now...
[21:49] <zleap> ah
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[21:49] <Thorn_> send it to me, i have one and i can show you...
[21:49] <Thorn_> :p
[21:49] <Purgox> Nice try
[21:49] <Dennis8162> does the os come with it or do i have to download it?
[21:49] <Purgox> :p
[21:49] <Purgox> Dennis8162: download
[21:49] <Purgox> and put on an SD card
[21:49] <Dennis8162> ok
[21:49] <Purgox> available from raspberrypi.org/downloads
[21:49] <zleap> there are instructions available
[21:50] <IT_Sean> There are instructions on doing up the SD card
[21:50] <Purgox> Not really hard or anything
[21:50] <Purgox> just use dd or Win32DiskImager
[21:51] <Dennis8162> i see there ismore tan 1 os choice
[21:51] <Dennis8162> what one runs best on it?
[21:52] <IT_Sean> There are several choices.
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[21:52] <IT_Sean> And there is no "best". It depends on what you want from it
[21:52] <Thorn_> Dennis8162: lindows is the best distro
[21:52] <Thorn_> dont listen to anyone else
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[21:52] <zleap> you need a distro that has been ported to ARM
[21:55] <Dennis8162> Arch Linux ARM?
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[21:55] <Purgox> I'd go with Debian
[21:55] <Purgox> Personally.
[21:56] <acfrazier> ALARM
[21:56] <acfrazier> also, anyone want to sell theirs.. I apparently won't get mine before June and I need one to start development
[21:56] <Iota> ??150?
[21:56] <Purgox> har
[21:56] <acfrazier> no thanks, the eBay ones are going for less than that
[21:57] <acfrazier> try ?90.
[21:57] <Iota> D:
[21:57] <Iota> Naws. I'd never sell mine.
[21:57] <Purgox> Pibros
[21:58] <BenO> acfrazier, What are you planning on working on? (If I may ask)
[21:58] <acfrazier> http://sn0wblower.com/
[21:58] <Dennis8162> i seen in a pc magazine that you could buy one new for ??15
[21:58] <Dennis8162> i think it was computer shopper
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[21:59] <BenO> acfrazier, heh nice - that would work well for a pi
[21:59] <acfrazier> Tis what we thought as well :P
[21:59] <acfrazier> I just don't have a device to begin testing with.
[21:59] <Purgox> acfrazier: as much as I??d like to help you out, I love my pi too much
[21:59] <Purgox> :*
[22:00] <Purgox> also, weren't you asked to sent your email to Liz
[22:00] <Purgox> I remember she asking for that to someone who did research on the rpi in a blogpost
[22:00] <acfrazier> Might help if she actually replied to any of the five emails I've sent in the past month
[22:00] <Hexxeh> BenO: anything interesting you found re that bug?
[22:00] <Purgox> Finally, could the student complaining about his final year project, the guy ranting about the UK and Austria and the Swiss IT guy in West Africa please email me (Liz) at liz@raspberrypi.org ??? Jenny has asked me to pass on your email details, but I need your permission first.
[22:00] <Hexxeh> DJWillis: How'd the older version build go?
[22:00] <Purgox> This one
[22:01] <Purgox> was that you
[22:01] <acfrazier> Nope.
[22:01] <Purgox> ah
[22:01] <acfrazier> I emailed them anyway.
[22:01] <acfrazier> Because I'd met her and Eben at maker faire
[22:01] <acfrazier> along with ukscone
[22:02] <BenO> Hexxeh, recreateable using stock or hardfo
[22:02] <BenO> hardfp
[22:02] <acfrazier> I travelled about 400 miles to get there
[22:02] <BenO> and with USB or SD rootfs
[22:02] <BenO> although the type of activity required to expose the bug is easiest with rootfs on USB
[22:02] <Hexxeh> Purgox: where's that written?
[22:02] <Hexxeh> BenO: i think any large IO will trigger it
[22:03] <Hexxeh> wait WHAT
[22:03] <Hexxeh> is a beagleboard slower than the rpi?
[22:03] <Hexxeh> povray finished whilst I was out shopping
[22:03] <Hexxeh> 1 hour 10 minutes 52 seconds..!?
[22:03] <Hexxeh> seems MUCH too fast
[22:04] <BenO> Hexxeh, it was read access that triggers it - large amounts of open/read/close seems to do the trick
[22:04] <Hexxeh> BenO: ahh, okay
[22:04] <Hexxeh> it's likely a regression
[22:04] <Hexxeh> i've downloaded that firmware tarball before on an older version and it was okay
[22:04] <BenO> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[22:05] <BenO> It's not the d'l, it's parallel access on the side that seems to be the trigger
[22:05] <acfrazier> sent a sixth email.. hopefully this one will not go ignored as well
[22:05] <Purgox> Hexxeh: a few blog posts ago
[22:05] <Purgox> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1081
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[22:06] <Purgox> Hexxeh: the magic of hardfp
[22:06] <ARMadillo> Heh, audio is pretty sweet on my Pi.
[22:06] <ARMadillo> Haven't tested it until now.
[22:07] <BenO> ARMadillo, what are you playing it with?
[22:07] <ARMadillo> I don't run a GUI, but with the latest firmware and using mocp, I'm playing music without any issues.
[22:07] <Purgox> also
[22:07] <Hexxeh> can someone else run the povray benchmark on softfp?
[22:07] <Hexxeh> 1 hour 10 minutes seems insane...
[22:07] <Purgox> BenO: re: logging issues
[22:07] <Hexxeh> that's on a par with an atom... :/
[22:07] <Purgox> have you tried logging to the network yet
[22:07] <Purgox> might come in handy with debugging
[22:08] <Hexxeh> here's a list of results to compare it to: http://new.haveland.com/povbench/graph.php
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[22:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, I think mine's running stock at the moment - where's the povray link again?
[22:09] <BenO> Purgox, I could, but am losing the will to live chasing some of these bugs atm ;)
[22:09] <Hexxeh> http://www.povray.org/download/benchmark.php
[22:09] <Purgox> haha
[22:09] <Purgox> Hexxeh: hmm, between a Pentium IV and an Athlon
[22:09] <Purgox> not bad at all
[22:09] <Hexxeh> that's pretty good going
[22:09] <Hexxeh> faster than an Atom
[22:09] <Hexxeh> maybe Atoms just have poor floating point performance?
[22:09] <Thorn_> fake
[22:10] <Purgox> Roughly equivalent to an AMD Athlon XP 2800?
[22:10] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/3XGMuYZS
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[22:11] <Purgox> is that benchmark done on the same resolution
[22:11] <Hexxeh> maybe I'm not running it properly...
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[22:11] * BenO is just freeing up some room to do a softfp run
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[22:12] <BenO> "Image Resolution 320 x 240" <--?
[22:12] <BenO> Is that the standard?
[22:12] <Hexxeh> i didn't specify, that's what it gave me by default
[22:12] <Hexxeh> trying with +I benchmark.ini now
[22:12] <Hexxeh> maybe that makes a difference
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[22:17] <BenO> povray +I /usr/share/povray-3.6/ini/benchmark.ini /usr/share/povray-3.6/scenes/advanced/benchmark.pov is the one used, apparently
[22:18] <Hexxeh> BenO: were you at DevXS last year? :O
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[22:18] <Hexxeh> just noticed Dev8D on your github
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[22:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, I couldn't make it, I was in Oz :)
[22:19] <Hexxeh> aahhh, okay :P
[22:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, Ah yeah :) I'm the co-founder of Dev8D
[22:19] <Hexxeh> ah, nice!
[22:19] <BenO> Alex Bilbie, Joss Winn and the Lincoln crew ran DevXS
[22:19] <Hexxeh> never been to Dev8D, but DevXS was pretty cool
[22:19] <BenO> Yeah, I'm really gutted not to have gone
[22:20] <BenO> they got some sweet wifi setup :)
[22:20] <Hexxeh> i didn't have much luck with it :P
[22:20] <BenO> heh - compared to most conf wifi, I hear it was super ;)
[22:20] <Hexxeh> but i took a macbook air which didn't have ethernet
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[22:20] <Hexxeh> so i ended up using a wifi network shared from somebody elses macbook pro :P
[22:21] <BenO> Oh yeah, I forgot, they had hubs on the tables
[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ping?
[22:22] <BenO> Hexxeh, Hmm did you get some nasty looking warnings from povray build?
[22:22] <Hexxeh> no?
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[22:23] <BenO> I'm getting some "warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ?char*?"
[22:23] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: pong
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, have you had luck with a static qemu compile?
[22:24] <ukscone> nope as sb2 don't work wih it & it errored anyway
[22:24] <des2> Somebody apparently needs to change to 'const char *'
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[22:25] <BenO> des2, It's not the only type of warning, but I'm lazy ;)
[22:25] <BenO> ../../source/base/povmscpp.h:259: warning: NULL used in arithmetic
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, alright, thanks
[22:26] <wcchandler> zleap: probably hit a buffer overflow of 1,048,576 interested blokes
[22:26] <wcchandler> woah
[22:26] <wcchandler> scrollback
[22:26] <wcchandler> from like an hour ago
[22:26] <Purgox> -win 34
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, I am not familiar with building binaries for distribution, is there anything to keep in mind to make sure they're portable?
[22:26] <mozzwald> ukscone: you tried that usb dock yet?
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[22:26] <Hexxeh> BenO: ohhh, compile ones, yes
[22:26] <Hexxeh> BenO: was fine running it though
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, (for x86)
[22:26] <zleap> wcchandler, yeah
[22:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, Ah okay - it's still building
[22:27] <des2> I'm guessing someone is comparing NULL to 0 on that one.
[22:28] <ukscone> mozzwald: not yet -- waiting on stuff from amazon
[22:28] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: aem qemu running x86?
[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, aem?
[22:29] <mozzwald> ukscone: ok. lemmie know when you do. ihve had no success yet with the 3 i have.
[22:29] <mozzwald> ok. time to go to work
[22:30] <ukscone> mozzwald: willdo
[22:30] <Hopsy> is it out yet?
[22:33] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: typo as i'm lying down
[22:34] <Hexxeh> this benchmark is running again, seems to go going at about the same speed it did before
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[22:34] <BenO> Once this povray build is finished, I'll set it running. That'll give me some time to do other things ;)
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, still not sure what it's a typo of. But I wanted to compile qemu-system-arm for distribution, since most people aren't interested in compiling anything.
[22:35] <ukscone> arm
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[22:36] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: i've done it but it's a pita if you want ncurses and sdl etc support as you need the static libs and some distros don't install them by defualt of via the repositories
[22:37] <ukscone> so have to build all from source
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[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, yeah, I've just rebuilt SDL with the static-libs build flag, but still getting problems with SDL support. Anyway, don't think it's worth it anyway, I'll just put a warning telling people to either compile it or use -cpu arm 1136
[22:39] <ukscone> yup
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[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> alright done... should be friendlier to windows users and lazy people in general now.
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[22:49] <BenO> Hexxeh, have you got a c&paste of the full output from povray while it did it's thing?
[22:49] <Hexxeh> sure yeah, sec
[22:49] <BenO> thanks
[22:50] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/GacJhx6g
[22:51] <BenO> Holy crap that's already way faster
[22:51] <BenO> Your "0:00:17 Creating light buffers 2299K tokens" vs
[22:51] <BenO> "0:01:04 Creating light buffers 2299K tokens"
[22:52] <SpeedEvil> you mean float versions?
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[22:53] <Hexxeh> What's your command you ran BenO?
[22:53] <BenO> povray +I ./scenes/advanced/benchmark.ini ./scenes/advanced/benchmark.pov
[22:53] <Hexxeh> same as me...
[22:53] <Hexxeh> looks like hardfp wins :P
[22:53] <Hexxeh> 0:05:56 Sorting photons 4063 of 650400
[22:54] <BenO> just slightly - I'll let this complete so we might have a decent baseline
[22:54] <BenO> It's not even there yet
[22:54] <Hexxeh> i'm on 35 mins for this run
[22:54] <BenO> I'm guessing it'll finish that photon section in about 15mins...
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[22:55] <BenO> And take ~4ish hours if the load is consistent
[22:55] <BenO> (which I doubt)
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[22:55] <BenO> Time to drag the ps3 in here and use the projector with that instead ;)
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Povray is perhaps not very representative of RL cases though :)
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[23:07] <acfrazier> wow, was the beta board auction really that long ago?
[23:07] <acfrazier> I can't believe April is almost over
[23:07] <acfrazier> I must be losing my marbles
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[23:09] <SpeedEvil> acfrazier: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290626487669
[23:09] <acfrazier> there we go
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[23:13] <acfrazier> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251043773310
[23:13] <Matt> climbing is fun
[23:13] <acfrazier> I thought it was against the rules to sell a preorder
[23:13] <acfrazier> (ebay rules that is)
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Commonly violated.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can report it
[23:14] <acfrazier> sale's already completed, so meh
[23:14] <acfrazier> yeah, can't report a completed listing
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[23:19] <raynerd> hello, anyone on here ordered from RS?
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[23:22] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> But not recently.
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[23:23] <raynerd> great! can I have some info please. I ordered on the 1st March so a few days after the official release. I have my two emails to say thanks for registering but noticed I don`t have any rs accounts linked to my email...is that normal?
[23:24] <raynerd> i.e I can`t login or anything... I just presumed I`d have a RS account automatically created so that I can order when it is time!
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> Then you did not get the first batch
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> it's going to be some time before they email you with a way to order
[23:24] <raynerd> yes, my question isn`t related to the speed of my delivery.
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> It's not linked to your normal account
[23:25] <raynerd> I accept I was well late of the first batch window. I`m just checking that it is normal...I just get an email and don`t necessarly need the account ready or likewise it should have been made during my registration
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[23:25] <raynerd> OK, fab, that has made me happier!
[23:25] <raynerd> so it is simply just an email.
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[23:28] <raynerd> OK, great. I didn`t intend to take this to the question of "when is mine coming" but just out of interest, if I ordered 2 days after the registration time, any idea where I am likely to be. Just from what you have heard....
[23:28] <cjbaird> I've noticed that my E14 order has changed from 'Back Order' to 'Processing'...
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[23:29] <raynerd> for the nooby here...what is an E14 order?
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[23:29] <raynerd> oh..just got it...element 14!
[23:30] <des2> pre-sale (aka pre-order) listings are allowed on ebay but they must follow certain rules.
[23:31] <des2> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/pre-sale.html
[23:31] <raynerd> I thought mine had also changed to procsessing on the My Orders screen, but when I clicked on the order, it still says back order!
[23:32] <cjbaird> Nuts, that's the situation here, too.
[23:32] <raynerd> yea, you have just made me check again...on the My Orders page it has definately changed to Processing...I`m sure it didn`t say that before. However click on the order and it is still back order.
[23:33] <des2> Correct Order status: Whenever.
[23:33] <raynerd> lol
[23:34] <raynerd> I wish I knew for definate if it has changed...I`m sure it said back order on both pages last time I checked.
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[23:44] <BenO> Hexxeh, just FYI: 0:53:27 Building Photon Maps Photons 65040 (sampling 1x1)
[23:45] <Hexxeh> wow...
[23:45] <Hexxeh> that took 5 minutes here
[23:45] <Hexxeh> that said
[23:45] <Hexxeh> i'm running with the benchmark.ini file now
[23:45] <Hexxeh> and it's taking MUCH longer to complete
[23:45] <Hexxeh> 1:26:34 Rendering line 81 of 384, 2683 supersamples
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[23:49] <Iota> What's the url to the big list of config.txt options?
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[23:52] <BenO> 0:09:24 Rendering line 2 of 384, 0 supersamples ;)
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[23:53] <Iota> Hexxeh: I've just noticed. ALARM allows you to update the rasipberrypi-firmware from pacman.
[23:53] <Hexxeh> alarm?
[23:53] <Iota> Arch Linux ARM
[23:53] <Hexxeh> ahh
[23:53] <Hexxeh> how?
[23:54] <Iota> pacman -S raspberrypi-firmware
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[23:54] <Hexxeh> oh, cool
[23:54] <Iota> alarm/raspberrypi-firmware 20120418-2 Firmware files for Raspberry Pi
[23:54] <Hexxeh> how do their packages work exactly?
[23:54] <Hexxeh> is it ebuild style, or deb style?
[23:54] <Hexxeh> i've not really used arch prior to getting a pi
[23:54] <Iota> https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/alarm
[23:55] <Iota> Not really sure how the ARM version works.
[23:55] <Iota> I've just found this github. It's linked on their web site.
[23:56] <Hexxeh> looks like that isn't updating the modules?
[23:56] <Hexxeh> but is updating kernel.img?
[23:56] <Hexxeh> that's a recipe for disaster
[23:56] <Iota> But it hosts the PKGBUILD for the repos.
[23:56] <Iota> Ah right.
[23:56] <Hexxeh> also, there's a mac address specified in their cmdline.txt?!
[23:57] <Iota> Haha.
[23:57] <Iota> Yep, turns out that's the same MAC as my installation.
[23:58] <Iota> (I've not updated that btw. It must be on the downloads page)
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