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IRC Log for 2012-04-22

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[0:01] <BenO> That would probably explain the MAC difference between arch and debian that some noticed
[0:04] <Iota> I read that if you remove the mac address, then the firmware will supply it's own in the RPF owned range, based on the serial number.
[0:05] <Iota> I guess they'll remove it next time round then.
[0:05] <Iota> I'll do mine now. See if it works.
[0:06] <Iota> Infact, the maintainer said so. He's using an alpha board that doesn't have a serial number was why it's there.
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[0:06] <danieldaniel> IT CAME
[0:06] <danieldaniel> OMG
[0:06] <Matt> on a saturday evening?
[0:07] <Hexxeh> timezones
[0:07] <danieldaniel> No
[0:07] <danieldaniel> it came awhile ago
[0:07] <danieldaniel> I was on vacation
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[0:08] <danieldaniel> anyone else have them?
[0:09] <Iota> All's well.
[0:09] <Travenin> are the people who has already recieved their raspis they, who were superfast on leap day morning?
[0:09] <Hexxeh> and devs, yes
[0:09] <danieldaniel> yes
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[0:10] <Travenin> ok thanks for the info
[0:11] <BenO> Hexxeh, hardfp for the win. softfp + armel => 0:23:55 Rendering line 5 of 384, 0 supersamples
[0:13] <BenO> 31hrs to go ;)
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[0:19] <danieldaniel> Who else has theirs?
[0:19] <Hexxeh> Me
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[0:19] <danieldaniel> holy crap
[0:19] <danieldaniel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Brand-New-Including-2-x-Official-Pi-Stickers-/320891361957?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item4ab69d9aa5
[0:19] <danieldaniel> Its at $164.39
[0:20] <BenO> danieldaniel, over four or five in this channel at least
[0:20] <danieldaniel> Only four or five?????
[0:20] <Hydrazine> I've got one
[0:20] <BenO> who are on irc, in this channel and discussing it tonight
[0:20] <hotwings> $164 rpi? NOPE!
[0:20] <hamitron> I don't get why people are paying that much
[0:20] <hamitron> unless it is people just bidding high, to stop the sale
[0:20] <danieldaniel> Yeah
[0:21] <BenO> more money than sense?
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[0:21] <danieldaniel> Seriously though
[0:21] <danieldaniel> XD
[0:21] <danieldaniel> and I have 2 more coming, as I accidentally ordered 2 from farnell
[0:21] <hamitron> seriously, there are better boards for that amount of money
[0:21] <danieldaniel> and then one from RS
[0:21] <hamitron> :)
[0:21] <danieldaniel> I should make an unboxing vid
[0:21] <danieldaniel> nah
[0:21] * danieldaniel rips open box
[0:22] <Hydrazine> hehe
[0:22] <hotwings> please dont. unboxing videos are lame as all hell
[0:22] <Iota> If I was going to spend ??150, I'd get a PandaBoard, LOL!
[0:22] <danieldaniel> I know
[0:22] <hamitron> if you overpay for something that is soley built to be cheap, it fails to be cheap, and still performs no better
[0:22] <BenO> danieldaniel, there are quite a few unboxing vids already - you are two or three days behind the curve ;)
[0:22] <danieldaniel> D:
[0:22] <danieldaniel> well fien
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[0:23] <danieldaniel> shift?
[0:23] <hamitron> ah, but is there an unboxing vid, with a real hot girl in a bikini unboxing it?
[0:23] <hamitron> ;)
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[0:23] <a_c_r> I also am pi-enabled.
[0:23] <danieldaniel> ShiftPlusOne2: Please tell me thats not you
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> danieldaniel, who?
[0:23] <hotwings> the girl in the bikini
[0:23] <danieldaniel> Are you the shift from skype?
[0:24] <danieldaniel> if not; I know someone who goes by Shift
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[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> Nuh, this is not the Shift you're looking for. =)
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[0:25] <danieldaniel> k
[0:25] <danieldaniel> wow
[0:25] <danieldaniel> Of course I don't have an SD card
[0:25] <danieldaniel> >.>
[0:25] <Iota> >.<
[0:26] <danieldaniel> found one
[0:26] <danieldaniel> in my computer
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[0:26] <danieldaniel> wait
[0:26] <danieldaniel> what the hell
[0:26] <danieldaniel> wheres the power supply
[0:27] <danieldaniel> WOW
[0:27] <BenO> micro-USB power required
[0:27] <danieldaniel> can it be to a computer?
[0:28] * pir2 is pipowered
[0:28] <danieldaniel> If not, Im really mad
[0:28] <a_c_r> Yeah, you can generally power the pi from a computer, but NO PERIPHERALS
[0:28] <danieldaniel> ok
[0:28] <a_c_r> I have been powering it from an Agilent bench supply so I can moniter current loads
[0:28] <danieldaniel> Should I leave it on the bag?
[0:29] <a_c_r> without any peripherals, you can keep it under 500mA (USB2 port max rating)
[0:29] <a_c_r> but when I added my Alfa AWUS036H wifi adapter, idle current went up to ~600-700mA
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> It will generally never damage a computer to overload it.
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> >99% of motherboard ports will supply 1A
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> If the other port is unloaded
[0:30] <pir2> laptops can be picky tho
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:30] <danieldaniel> its an imac
[0:30] <a_c_r> SpeedEvil: very true, but you may not be aware of overcurrent issues.
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[0:30] <a_c_r> the pi may behave strangely without warning.
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> If it's flaky, first assume it's power
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> If doing that
[0:31] <a_c_r> yeah. i powered the pi off of a 500mA port and the wifi adapter flooded the console with errors. power problems.
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> a_c_r: Can you try reducing the voltage, and seeing what stops?
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> I suspect most stuff will work down to ~3.6V or so.
[0:32] <a_c_r> i can when i get home. I'm at the library pretending to be productive.
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[0:32] <a_c_r> I like your idea. Starve it!
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> And clearly one way to save energy would be to run it on a DC-DC at 3.6V or whatever
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> Replacing the internal regs of course would be better.
[0:33] <a_c_r> I'm very intersted in the power side of things.
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the core may not even crash till the 1.8V supply starts to sag
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> I should really look at the schematics someone mentioned.
[0:34] <a_c_r> perhaps. I really wish there was better documentation available on the power management hardware
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> :/
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[0:34] <a_c_r> well, i can hook up the scope to test points and then gradually reduce the voltage.
[0:34] <BenO> a_c_r, you could've stopped that sentence after the word 'available' IMO
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> The 'easy' way to more than half consumption would be to wire to your own regulators.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> - switching
[0:35] <a_c_r> BenO: agreed.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> But they don't for obvious reasons do switching on the board
[0:35] <a_c_r> "average" idle current at 5v is around 375-425mA
[0:36] <a_c_r> seems high to me
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[0:37] <a_c_r> I need to dig into the linux power management voodoo. I've only done power managment with bare metal applications.
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> If you say that that's probably 1/3 3.3V, 2/3 1.8V, then that's ~150mA if it was using switching regs.
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Which is ballpark comparable with my phone at 600MHz, without powersave
[0:37] <a_c_r> hrmmm.
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Also that may count ethernet chip / hub power
[0:38] <a_c_r> I'd really like to get power usage to minimum so I can have it sit idle on batteries.
[0:38] <Hydrazine> that would be nice
[0:38] <a_c_r> To be continued in a few minutes. food itme.
[0:38] <a_c_r> errr time
[0:39] <danieldaniel> oh
[0:39] <danieldaniel> thats funny
[0:39] <danieldaniel> my phone charger works with it
[0:39] <danieldaniel> :D
[0:40] <danieldaniel> how long will dd take for debian?
[0:40] <Hexxeh> depends how slow your SD card is
[0:40] <danieldaniel> its slow
[0:40] <danieldaniel> its an eye-fi
[0:40] <danieldaniel> Also, should I leave the rpi on the static bag it came in?
[0:41] <Hexxeh> you can if you like, it's non-conductive
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> Is it pink?
[0:42] <danieldaniel> no
[0:42] <danieldaniel> its not pink
[0:42] <danieldaniel> its gray
[0:42] <danieldaniel> and yet another question
[0:42] <danieldaniel> Can I use a USB to power thing?
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> gray and shiny, or just gray and sort of dull?
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:42] <danieldaniel> ok
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> But only the pi
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> nothing else
[0:42] <danieldaniel> Yeah
[0:42] <danieldaniel> even with usb to power?
[0:43] <danieldaniel> i mean
[0:43] <danieldaniel> A USB to wall
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> running stuff through an external powered hub is fine
[0:43] <Hexxeh> alexsdutton: just noticed your android repos, nice, how far did you get with that?
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> ah - in that case, yes, if it's a real 1A charger
[0:43] <danieldaniel> I think/hope it is
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> Also, I'd encourage you to verify the voltage first
[0:43] <danieldaniel> how?
[0:43] <danieldaniel> I'm being a noob :(
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> If it's a cheap charger
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> If you have a meter.
[0:44] <danieldaniel> its an android charger
[0:44] <danieldaniel> combined with a kindle one
[0:44] <danieldaniel> Like, an android mini-usb
[0:44] <danieldaniel> and a usb-wall kindle
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Should be fine then
[0:44] <danieldaniel> Ok
[0:44] <danieldaniel> Sorry for all these questions
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> If it's real kindle, not clone
[0:44] <danieldaniel> I don't want to break it
[0:44] <danieldaniel> oh, sorry
[0:44] <danieldaniel> not kindle
[0:44] <danieldaniel> nook
[0:44] <Hexxeh> oh wow, a port of the rpi patches to kernel 3.3.1 too, awesome
[0:45] <danieldaniel> and I'm 100% sure its not a clone; got it from b&n
[0:45] <raynerd> I`ve just been trying to follow this conversation - can someone just clarify then, what is the ideal power supply for the pi?
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> I mean in general any 'brand name' charger will probably be OK.
[0:45] <danieldaniel> Ok
[0:45] <danieldaniel> Thanks!
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> raynerd: The issue is that many USB 'chargers' are extremely, extremely cheaply built - to the point of either being unreliable, or actually potentially damaging it due to high voltage.
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> raynerd: In general, 'brand name' genuine chargers are going to be OK.
[0:46] <raynerd> ok...so what is the ideal?
[0:46] <raynerd> so if I was to purchase a charger for the Pi, what am I best going for? ....
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> If you're just using it on the desk - then plug into a powered hub or a motherboard port.
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> and use a powered usb hub to connect stuff to it
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, find a name brand 1A 5V charger from a genuine reputable source.
[0:48] <raynerd> that would be tricky for moving it about....I`d ideally need a plug in supply.
[0:48] <raynerd> OK
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> Not amazon sellers, or ebay - stocked by amazon themselves
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[0:49] <danieldaniel> Should dd still be going?
[0:49] <danieldaniel> im scared
[0:49] * danieldaniel starts panicking
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[0:51] <raynerd> go for it...panic when it goes bang :p
[0:52] <danieldaniel> just finished
[0:52] <danieldaniel> :D :D :D
[0:52] * danieldaniel plugs it in
[0:52] <danieldaniel> BOOM
[0:52] <pir2> when you see blue smoke, you are doing it wrong
[0:52] <danieldaniel> theres no place for the SD
[0:53] <danieldaniel> wtf
[0:53] <pir2> on the back
[0:53] <danieldaniel> oh
[0:53] <danieldaniel> yeah
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/EPS050100U-I38-SZ/T1003-ND/1559357 would be an example of a PSU
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> Actual specs, you can probably believe.
[0:54] <danieldaniel> what should I do if theres actually blue smoke
[0:54] <Hydrazine> panic
[0:54] <danieldaniel> oh crap
[0:54] <raynerd> order a new one
[0:54] <pir2> buy a new one
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> Then you got the 'Genie' edition.
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> Make a wish!
[0:54] <Hydrazine> wish for a new one
[0:55] <pir2> sniff it and become a litle bit cyborg
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/PSA05F-050Q/993-1068-ND/2384534 - for those in the US anyway - this seems quite reasonable.
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> Folding PSU, with actual datasheet.
[0:55] <BenO> er... is there actually black smoke?
[0:55] <danieldaniel> it worked :D
[0:55] <danieldaniel> is there a switch somewhere?
[0:56] <danieldaniel> and its not safe to touch, right?
[0:56] <des2> Switches cost money.
[0:56] <BenO> Power switch? er there might be. Is there one next to your phone charger on the wall?
[0:57] * pir2 has http://uk.farnell.com/_/st-099a17/micro-usb-mobile-phone-charger/dp/2081769 on order
[0:57] <danieldaniel> no
[0:57] <danieldaniel> its just not showing up
[0:57] <danieldaniel> and theres a red light
[0:57] <BenO> no green above it?
[0:57] <BenO> "OK" led?
[0:57] <danieldaniel> there is
[0:57] <pir2> whats on the SD card?
[0:57] <danieldaniel> just small green light
[0:57] <raynerd> speedevil - anything suitable on ebay uk
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> raynerd: The fun part is yes, there is.
[0:57] <BenO> danieldaniel, then it's on and potentially booting/booted
[0:58] <danieldaniel> then Y U NO SHOW UP
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> raynerd: The problem is that you absolutely can't tell what will suit, and what will literally explode when you plug it into the wall.
[0:58] <BenO> danieldaniel, what do you have it plugged into?
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[0:58] <danieldaniel> i plugged the RCA cable into the yellow one
[0:58] <BenO> It's not a component out, it's a composite
[0:59] <BenO> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_video
[0:59] <danieldaniel> i got it from rs
[0:59] <raynerd> +SpeedEvil - that is annoying!
[0:59] <danieldaniel> it says stereo to rca
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[1:00] <danieldaniel> did I get an audio cable?
[1:00] <BenO> danieldaniel, does it look like the cable here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
[1:00] <danieldaniel> wow
[1:00] <danieldaniel> no
[1:00] <danieldaniel> its two ends
[1:00] <BenO> got a link to it?
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM - chinese PSU analysis. - a cheap one
[1:00] <danieldaniel> it says 3.5mm stereo to twin RCA cable
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> I bought 5, that I mean to analyse - but I ahven't gotten round to them yet.
[1:00] <danieldaniel> 200-0114155
[1:01] <BenO> danieldaniel, it does sound like a sound cable "twin phono" perhaps?
[1:01] <danieldaniel> wow
[1:01] <danieldaniel> :(
[1:01] <danieldaniel> i can just unplug it, right?
[1:01] <BenO> http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/1588/fisual-3-5mm-jack-to-phonos-30cm-install-series-special <--- something like this?
[1:02] <danieldaniel> loading page
[1:02] <danieldaniel> Yeah
[1:02] <des2> Yes that would be a 3.5 mm stereo to to separate RCA jack audio cable
[1:02] <danieldaniel> its that
[1:02] <pir2> danieldaniel: you should shutdown, but if it hasnt booted yes
[1:02] <danieldaniel> ok
[1:02] <danieldaniel> i have an hdmi somewhere
[1:02] <danieldaniel> brb
[1:03] <BenO> Do you have a monitor that can take in HDMI? or a tv?
[1:03] <des2> The composite video jack on the PI is also an RCA jack.
[1:03] <pir2> DVI-D as well
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[1:05] <BenO> this povray benchmark is worse than watching paint dry: "1:18:47 Rendering line 15 of 384, 40 supersamples" (softfp/armel)
[1:06] <Hydrazine> BenO: how hard is it to have only the /boot partition on the SD-card?
[1:07] <Hexxeh> on roughly the 2:50:00 mark now, 140 of 384
[1:07] <Hydrazine> do I just have to edit the cmdline.txt to point to lets say an usb stick?
[1:07] <Hexxeh> you need a new kernel that allows you to point to the usb stick
[1:07] <danieldaniel> i found one of those componet
[1:07] <danieldaniel> component
[1:08] <Hexxeh> otherwise, it won't be able to see the usb stick until it's loaded the module that lets it see it
[1:08] <BenO> Hydrazine, not too hard - edit cmdline and also use a kernel with certain options baked in like UAS and usb storage
[1:08] <Hexxeh> which... resides on the very drive you're trying to access
[1:08] <Hydrazine> hmmm
[1:08] <Hydrazine> sounds like a nice challenge for tomorrow
[1:08] <raynerd> wow, just watched the youtube link - that is scary!!
[1:09] <BenO> Hydrazine, either: http://elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation or ask someone who's already built one nicely ;)
[1:09] <danieldaniel> YAY
[1:09] <danieldaniel> I GOT IT!
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[1:09] <danieldaniel> oh, kernel panic
[1:10] <danieldaniel> no init found
[1:10] <danieldaniel> but-but-but
[1:10] <Hydrazine> I wonder who I have to ask for one...
[1:11] <Hydrazine> but nah, going to try it myself first
[1:12] <danieldaniel> anyone know how to fix no init?
[1:13] <Thorn_> spanner
[1:13] <Hexxeh> Hydrazine: http://radium.hexxeh.net/kernel.img http://radium.hexxeh.net/modules.tar.gz
[1:13] <Hexxeh> Hydrazine: enjoy
[1:14] <danieldaniel> Anyone? :(
[1:14] <Hydrazine> thx
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[1:19] <a_c_r> back. Got a quirky question. Pi seems to have an HDMI detection such that if an HDMI is detected on poweron, it uses it; else it defaults to composite output. Is there a way to override this behavior and force it to use HDMI output?
[1:20] <friggle> a_c_r: hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[1:20] <friggle> a_c_r: in config.txt in the boot partition
[1:21] <a_c_r> friggle: Awesome! my HDMI switch has been making things difficult.
[1:21] <friggle> a_c_r: you might need to force the hdmi modes though, as the Pi won't be able to choose output format through EDID
[1:22] <a_c_r> friggle: good point. i'll experiment and see what works.
[1:22] <friggle> a_c_r: see http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/config-txt for reference
[1:22] <friggle> a_c_r: and some newer options are documented at http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/no-hdmi-output-composite-ok/page-2
[1:22] <danieldaniel> where should I put the init?
[1:23] <pir2> danieldaniel: whats on the SD?
[1:23] <a_c_r> good links. i guess the alternate is to just SSH and tell it to switch outputs
[1:23] <danieldaniel> pir2: debian
[1:23] <danieldaniel> i downloaded it from the site
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[1:24] <friggle> a_c_r: yep, /opt/vc/bin/tvservice should do the trick (might need to fbset as well afterwards)
[1:25] <pir2> danieldaniel: not sure, I havent had that issue, but I have had fun with some SD's they can be picky about how they are burnt
[1:25] <danieldaniel> also, theres no config
[1:26] <danieldaniel> theres a cmdline.txt though
[1:26] <a_c_r> Bah. guess I'm going to have to build a kernel, or at the very least some modules.
[1:27] <danieldaniel> all I have to do is burn the image to my SD with dd, right?
[1:27] <pir2> that should work
[1:27] <danieldaniel> should I try the kernel that Hexxeh posted?
[1:27] <danieldaniel> Can I just replace kernel.img with it?
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[1:29] <a_c_r> need to do some hardware h.264 *encoding*
[1:29] <wcchandler> Unable to locate package linux-image-3.1.9
[1:29] <danieldaniel> "Try passing init= option to kernel"
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[1:33] * danieldaniel is trying fedora
[1:36] * danieldaniel is now known as ttttttttttt
[1:36] * ttttttttttt is now known as danieldaniel
[1:36] <wcchandler> so... hmm.. anybody make a .deb package of the latest firmware images off github?
[1:38] <wcchandler> oh.. git-buildpackage?
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[1:38] <BenO> wcchandler, --> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[1:39] <BenO> not a deb, but an updater at least
[1:39] <Hexxeh> seen dom's comments on that btw?
[1:39] <BenO> not yet...
[1:39] <Hexxeh> nice and positive, thankfully :P
[1:39] <Hexxeh> i was expecting it'd be torn apart
[1:39] <BenO> Where - in the forums?
[1:39] <Hexxeh> yeah
[1:39] <Hexxeh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/rpi-update-firmware-updater-for-raspberry-pi
[1:40] <BenO> thx (I hate wpforums...)
[1:40] <BenO> "Sometimes there are dependencies between start.elf and /opt/vc." is a very interesting comment
[1:42] <a_c_r> Does changing the memory split have any effect at this point?
[1:42] <a_c_r> to clarify... effect on graphics performance
[1:43] <danieldaniel> mah rpi sux
[1:44] <dipstick> I'll take it
[1:44] <danieldaniel> I swear to god
[1:44] <danieldaniel> dd sux
[1:44] <a_c_r> danieldaniel: blasphemy!
[1:44] <pir2> stone him!
[1:44] <dipstick> EBUAK
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[1:44] * danieldaniel hides
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[1:45] * pir2 throws raspberries at danieldaniel
[1:45] <danieldaniel> http://tf2chan.net/dis/src/133277142475.png
[1:45] <wizkid057> whoa whoa whoa... hold up
[1:45] <wizkid057> tastier than chocolate dipped bacon?
[1:45] <danieldaniel> wizkid057: Yeah, not saying much tho
[1:45] <wizkid057> not so sure about that...
[1:45] <danieldaniel> Chocolate dipped bacon sux
[1:46] * dipstick wants his pi back
[1:46] <wizkid057> :(
[1:46] <dipstick> danieldaniel: you sux :P
[1:46] <danieldaniel> dipstick: u sux
[1:46] <pir2> chocolate dipped bacon, might have to try that for breakfast
[1:46] <wizkid057> i'm wondering if Farnell export is going to stick with their estimated ship date of Monday for my order...
[1:46] <danieldaniel> wizkid057: Mine was supposed to ship 2 weex ago, i thin
[1:47] <a_c_r> ha. element 14 had estimated ship date of 4/16. didn't happen
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[1:47] <pir2> wizkid057: where in the world are you?
[1:47] <danieldaniel> you know what
[1:47] <wizkid057> Estimated Delivery - W/C 23/04/2012
[1:47] <danieldaniel> I'm gonna cancel them
[1:47] <wizkid057> pir2: USA
[1:48] <pir2> well they are landing in the states, so with any luck
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[1:48] <Jak_o_Shadows> Is it out yet.
[1:48] <wizkid057> wow, $150 on fleebay
[1:48] * a_c_r ordered a pi from element14 australia for delivery to San Francisco.
[1:49] <danieldaniel> I just asked for a cancellation
[1:49] <danieldaniel> for my farnells
[1:49] <pir2> a_c_r: isnt it easier to call newark?
[1:49] <ted__> why are you cancelling
[1:49] <danieldaniel> Would rather give me spot in line to somebody else
[1:49] <danieldaniel> ted__: I have one, thats enough
[1:49] <ted__> ahhh i see
[1:50] <a_c_r> pir2: maybe. everything was broken on 2/29.
[1:50] <pir2> true
[1:50] <wizkid057> i'll give them a little time to get mine together... if nothing heard by the end of the month i'll probably cancel mine
[1:50] <a_c_r> the .au site was the only one that took my order
[1:50] <pir2> lol
[1:50] <ted__> still pending over here
[1:50] <wizkid057> mines "Processing" on farnell
[1:50] <ted__> the canadian pis seem to be quite down the list on priorities, regardless of when you ordered
[1:50] <ted__> *sigh*
[1:50] <danieldaniel> Everyone prepare to go up two spots in lne!
[1:51] <ted__> WOOP WOOP
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[1:51] <a_c_r> haha. I should make offers on preorders. :-)
[1:51] <danieldaniel> brb
[1:51] <a_c_r> seems like a good arbitrage opportunity.
[1:51] <wizkid057> so, can the raspi play Tribes Ascend ? :P
[1:51] <ted__> it can play crysis
[1:51] <ted__> so probably
[1:51] <Jak_o_Shadows> wizkid057: I can barely play Tribes Ascend, maps take too long to load.
[1:52] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: i'm always first in the game
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[1:52] <wizkid057> everyone else takes ages to get in the round
[1:52] <Jak_o_Shadows> I only have 5200rpm HDD"s, but the rest of my system is pretty good.
[1:52] <wizkid057> Cpu: ( GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz Intel64 Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7 2% Load )
[1:52] <Jak_o_Shadows> It's a damn pain. It's unplayable, thats ho long it takes too load.
[1:53] <ted__> jeez, is it the HD speed that's the bottleneck?
[1:53] <ted__> wonder if my 9800gt could handle it
[1:53] <Jak_o_Shadows> I have i5-25(6?)00K, 8gb ram, gtx 560Ti, and dog slow HDD's
[1:53] <Jak_o_Shadows> I looked at SSD's, but they're still too expensive
[1:53] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: Running my i7-2600K @ 4.0GHz with Crossfire Radeon 6990s (4 GPUs) with RAID0 1TB 7200 RPM drives
[1:53] <wizkid057> instant loads for me
[1:53] <wizkid057> :)
[1:54] <ted__> i5-760, 9800gt, 4gb ram, 7200 rpm drives
[1:54] <ted__> hmm
[1:54] <ted__> i'll have to give it a shot
[1:54] <Jak_o_Shadows> I should invest in a 7200rpm HDD
[1:54] <Jak_o_Shadows> It's a fun game.
[1:54] <Jak_o_Shadows> Have you seen http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=66488&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=10436c03f268dd5a1cf5d814f1081375 ?
[1:55] <wizkid057> omg, really?
[1:55] <pir2> 700mhz 256M ram, :(
[1:55] <ted__> pir2 it'll work as long as you've got at least ARMv7
[1:55] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: i bought the game and probably $30 in gold so far... i'm addicted
[1:55] <pir2> armv6
[1:56] <ted__> you're out of luck then... tribes ascend ARM only runs on armv7 and up :(
[1:56] <ted__> i wish that was a thing
[1:56] <pir2> ah joy
[1:56] <wizkid057> lol
[1:56] <wizkid057> i run tribes with all settings maxed and get ~100 FPS
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[1:57] <ted__> i can max out tribes
[1:57] <ted__> tribes 1
[1:57] <wizkid057> hey, dont dis tribes 1
[1:57] <wizkid057> i still have it
[1:57] <ted__> i LOVE tribes 1
[1:57] <ted__> there aren't a lot of servers left
[1:58] <a_c_r> crap. library is closing. looks like I will be forced out into the lovely California sun.
[1:58] <wizkid057> i know :-\
[1:58] <wizkid057> i used to play on one server that ran a mod called Shifter
[1:58] <wizkid057> was awesome
[1:58] <ted__> we ran one at my university for a while, done now though
[1:58] <ted__> new kids just wanna play cod or halo
[1:58] <Jak_o_Shadows> SSD: ~$1.5 per GB
[1:58] <ted__> i LOVE shifter!
[1:58] * pir2 can max out infocom's zork!
[1:58] <ted__> so hard to find a good game with it though
[1:58] <ted__> so many were just too fast paced
[1:58] <ted__> i loved building bases with teleporters
[1:58] <wizkid057> this one server was always packed at the max players
[1:58] <Jak_o_Shadows> Which isn't too much different from 7200rpm drives...
[1:58] <wizkid057> this was... 10 years ago though
[1:59] <wizkid057> lol
[1:59] <Jak_o_Shadows> wait, what.
[1:59] <ted__> haha yep
[1:59] <Jak_o_Shadows> I just failed at maths.
[1:59] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: just grab a seagate 1TB 7200 RPM from Bestbuy
[1:59] <wizkid057> well, i dont know if you're in the US
[2:00] <ted__> yeah 7200 rpm is... a lot more common than 5400
[2:00] <ted__> except for laptops i guess
[2:00] <ted__> still went for a 7200 at the penalty of batterylife
[2:00] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 <-- i'm running two of these
[2:01] <Jak_o_Shadows> also, what I want to know, is if it's making SSD's more expensive to be built in 2.5" form factor
[2:01] <des2> no
[2:01] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: nope
[2:01] <wizkid057> the flash memory chips are the cost factor
[2:01] <des2> SSDs are by their nature small
[2:02] <des2> In fact it is costing them more to make them 3.5"
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[2:02] <wizkid057> exactly
[2:02] <ted__> those PCIE mounted SSDs are nuts
[2:02] <Jak_o_Shadows> Well, thats good then.
[2:02] <wizkid057> ted__: ultra fast though
[2:02] <pir2> did SSD prices get hit by the thai floods last year as well?
[2:02] <wizkid057> a friend of mine used one in his latest gaming rig...
[2:02] <Jak_o_Shadows> http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=7386 what about that? Almost the same as the above link.
[2:02] <des2> Indirectly
[2:02] <wizkid057> pir2: yes, but not as bad
[2:03] <pir2> ok, thanks
[2:03] <wizkid057> pir2: and mainly just do to shift in supply/demand
[2:03] <des2> Because they boosted prices for conventional demand thus making SSDs more competitive and resulting in increased SSD demand
[2:03] <wizkid057> Jak_o_Shadows: yeah, thats not bad either
[2:04] <Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm, should I drive to get that one, or walk the 1.7 k's (one way) to get it from the store naer work?
[2:04] <wizkid057> if its the same price, why not just physically go get it? :)
[2:05] <wizkid057> thats why I bought mine at the local store... i'm in NJ, USA, so, Newegg charges me tax... figure if its the same price, might as well get it locally
[2:05] * pir2 thinks you should cartwheel to the store
[2:06] <Jak_o_Shadows> 3.4k's will take me nearly an hour
[2:06] <Jak_o_Shadows> or maybe a tad less, it's pretty flat ground
[2:11] <danieldaniel> Fedora seems to be working
[2:11] <danieldaniel> no kernel panic this time
[2:12] <Hexxeh> yueeergh
[2:12] <Hexxeh> just left my pi running this benchmark
[2:12] <danieldaniel> RPI Y U NO WORK
[2:12] <Hexxeh> switched back to the HDMI on my tv and the output is garbled as hell
[2:12] <Hexxeh> lines everywhere
[2:12] <danieldaniel> It just rebooted and did the same thing
[2:13] <danieldaniel> ...
[2:13] <Jak_o_Shadows> Is the RPI version of fedora going to have a longer release/support cycle? Thats what I got sick of in desktop fedora
[2:13] <danieldaniel> i think theres something wrong
[2:13] <danieldaniel> REALLY wrong
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> Meteor shower tonight - east in the UK now.
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> But cloudy here
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> lyrids
[2:14] * pir2 goes to look
[2:14] <wizkid057> bbiaf
[2:15] <BenO> SpeedEvil, I live near Stansted - no chance of seeing that much from the light pollution!
[2:15] <tpresence> any cases for the pi show yet
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> :/
[2:15] <ted__> Hexxeh danieldaniel WTF
[2:16] <ted__> IS IT BROKEN
[2:16] <danieldaniel> Black smoke everywhere
[2:16] <ted__> did your house burn down
[2:16] <tpresence> hexxeh one of the screen savers looks that way
[2:16] <danieldaniel> yes
[2:16] <Hexxeh> tpresence: I didn't even have X running
[2:16] <tpresence> oh
[2:16] <tpresence> lol
[2:16] <Hexxeh> I can see the console behind it, the login prompt, it's just really garbled
[2:17] <ted__> did you at least get the benchmark
[2:17] <danieldaniel> i got it
[2:17] <danieldaniel> its weird though
[2:17] <danieldaniel> Some of the screen is cut off
[2:17] <danieldaniel> any way to move it a bit?
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[2:19] <BenO> Hexxeh, "2:31:23 Rendering line 26 of 384, 131 supersamples" ;)
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[2:20] <pir2> cloudy in the east but saturn is clear as a whistle
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> east is just the radiant
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> B ut haze means you won't see many
[2:22] * pir2 is impatient too
[2:22] <ReggieUK> depends how much haze
[2:22] <ReggieUK> and if you've got night vision goggles then you're chances of seeing through the haze are greatly increased!!
[2:22] <ReggieUK> your*
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[2:22] <pir2> hmm might try with IR cam
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[2:23] <ReggieUK> try what with an ir cam and define ir cam :D
[2:24] <ReggieUK> mars should be up tonight too
[2:24] <ReggieUK> jupiter looked quite big earlier as well
[2:24] * SpeedEvil wishes IR cams were cheap.
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> - thermal
[2:24] <ReggieUK> yeah that'd be nice cheap thermal sensors
[2:25] <pir2> looking at sky, & ir cam = webcam with ir filters swapped for visible ones,
[2:25] <ReggieUK> not sure whether you'd spot a meteor with one though
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> No, not thermal
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> way too hot
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> NIR should have lots of output though
[2:26] <BenO> I broke the webcam I swapped the filters on :(
[2:26] <ReggieUK> not sure what 'visible' filters you would use on a meteor shower
[2:26] <ReggieUK> I've heard green is reasonable on teh moon
[2:26] <pir2> 400-700nm
[2:26] <Wolfram74> out of curiosity, is newark going to correct the ship-by dates on their page, or will be there be some surprising date when an R-pi shows up on my door?
[2:26] <ReggieUK> along with the obvious moon/sky-glow filters and ir-cut
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> If cloud - you want to cut all visible if you've got any reflected light off them
[2:27] <ReggieUK> I could certainly block 99.99% of all light out
[2:27] <ReggieUK> but guessing that's not what you're suggesting
[2:27] <danieldaniel> Which do I put in for audio?
[2:27] <danieldaniel> red or blue
[2:28] <ReggieUK> cut the blue wire
[2:28] <ReggieUK> oh, it's not a bomb?
[2:28] <danieldaniel> XD
[2:28] <pir2> no the yellow one
[2:28] <danieldaniel> Nevermind
[2:28] <IT_Sean> RED WIRE!!!!
[2:28] <IT_Sean> CUT THE RED WIRE!!!
[2:28] <ted__> Wolfram74 - mine was just updated, albeit to July
[2:28] * IT_Sean cralws under his desk & braces for impact
[2:28] <danieldaniel> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/259/943/694.png
[2:28] <Wolfram74> grumble
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[2:29] <danieldaniel> Also, I made my uranium glow
[2:29] <danieldaniel> With UV leds
[2:29] <Wolfram74> if i don't my R-pi till august classes will be starting up again
[2:29] <danieldaniel> 50 it5 0551|\|\
[2:32] * danieldaniel is wondering
[2:32] <danieldaniel> Is the board safe to touch while it's on?
[2:32] <danieldaniel> EX: will it shock me?
[2:32] <ReggieUK> define touch
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[2:32] <danieldaniel> put my finger on it
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[2:33] <pir2> you wil be fine
[2:33] <ReggieUK> on some parts it'll be ok
[2:33] <danieldaniel> ok
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[2:33] <pir2> just dont dance about on carpet before you do
[2:33] <ReggieUK> but in general keep your fingers away from anything metal (apart from the shielding around usb/lan socket)
[2:33] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:34] <danieldaniel> how do I make it not make me change my pass?
[2:34] <danieldaniel> Every time i login...
[2:34] <ReggieUK> definitely don't touch it with your tongue
[2:34] <pir2> but it tastes so good!
[2:35] <ReggieUK> and if you smell pork and feel a burning sensation, then you're touching it in the wrong place
[2:35] <IT_Sean> That would be waht we call "Bad Touch"
[2:35] <pir2> and you shouldnt be cooking bacon on your pi either
[2:36] <IT_Sean> or, really, at all.
[2:36] <Wolfram74> overclocking a pi like that is probably detrimental
[2:36] <danieldaniel> how do I make it so I don't have to reset my pass
[2:36] <danieldaniel> every time I login?
[2:36] <Wolfram74> hey, is anybody working on getting access to the GPU to make it do nifty things?
[2:36] * pir2 wonders if you can get it hot enough to cook an egg
[2:37] * pir2 tried to get it to calc pi
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[2:37] <pir2> but gave up shortly after
[2:37] <BenO> Wolfram74, the code in /opt/vc/src has a bunch of demo code for using the OpenMAX IL - as for directly running things on the GPU... no idea
[2:37] <pir2> :D
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[2:38] * pir2 goes to look at /opt/vc/src
[2:38] <Wolfram74> yeah, i was thinking of using the graphics card to do lots of matrix algebra/calculations, since it's great parallel processing
[2:38] <Wolfram74> i'd kind of figured people had made the graphics card do interesting graphics-y things
[2:39] <BenO> Wolfram74, No idea if you will get things like Cuda and so on working through this - the GPU is currently hidden behind an interface
[2:39] <BenO> Wolfram74, OpenGL ES 2.0 is fine
[2:40] <ted__> no CUDA, and doing full matrix operations with shaders is
[2:40] <ted__> unpleasant.
[2:40] <Wolfram74> heehee
[2:41] <ReggieUK> cuda is nvidia only isn't it?
[2:41] <BenO> Wolfram74, however, the initial tests of using the hardfp side of things is promising - not amazing, but certainly a hell of a lot better than expected
[2:41] <BenO> ReggieUK, yeah - what is it, OpenCL or something like that?
[2:41] <BenO> (the general one)
[2:41] <Wolfram74> maybe it's for the best that i'm not getting my Rpi for many months
[2:42] <Wolfram74> when i do get many cagier minds than mine will have worked out lots of lovely tricks
[2:43] <BenO> Wolfram74, well, there is a possibility - the bootup sequence uses the GPU to bootstrap a kernel - it certainly has the power to run things itself
[2:43] <ted__> yeah anything that uses floating point is going to benefit 10x+ with hardfp support
[2:44] <ted__> so much more excited.
[2:44] <ted__> going to use my pi for realtime DSP
[2:44] <ted__> so it needs to be crunchin'
[2:45] <Wolfram74> dsp?
[2:46] <Jak_o_Shadows> Digital Signal Processing
[2:46] <Wolfram74> soooo, crypto?
[2:47] <ted__> heh
[2:47] <ted__> nah, audio effects
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[2:47] <ted__> my final project for undergrad
[2:47] <Wolfram74> ah
[2:47] <ted__> pi might not have the oomph for it though
[2:47] <ted__> there';s always beagleboard xm... but pi is so so much cheaper
[2:48] <Wolfram74> bah, 700 mhz should be enough for anyone, you just need better math
[2:48] <pir2> how many do you need?
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[2:48] <ted__> haha try telling that to the people that design dsp software for i7s :)
[2:48] <pir2> lol
[2:49] <danieldaniel> you all want me to live stream my awesome setup
[2:49] <danieldaniel> with my ub3r high pitched voice
[2:49] <tpresence> cuda is nvidia only, yes
[2:50] <danieldaniel> OMFG
[2:50] <danieldaniel> I SSHD INTO MY RPI!
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[2:51] <ReggieUK> phew, I thought the last word said pants for a moment
[2:51] <danieldaniel> I am _so_ excited
[2:51] <danieldaniel> ReggieUK: o.0
[2:51] <danieldaniel> Ssh into pants?
[2:51] <pir2> then you need to run sudp apt-get install screen irssi next
[2:51] <danieldaniel> What is this I don't even
[2:51] <a_c_r> And you just can't hide it?
[2:52] <danieldaniel> this is so exciting
[2:52] <danieldaniel> :O
[2:52] <a_c_r> screen is old and busted. tmux is the new hotness.
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[2:56] <danieldaniel> y u so slow
[2:56] <ReggieUK> y u no patient
[2:56] <IT_Sean> ssh 192.168.1.36
[2:56] <Wolfram74> because i'm going to end wasting my summer not doing any raspberry type stuff!
[2:56] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: LOLFAIL
[2:57] <IT_Sean> sean@pants:
[2:57] <danieldaniel> oh
[2:57] <danieldaniel> I'm gonna set my hostname to pants
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[2:57] <IT_Sean> heh
[2:58] <IT_Sean> my desktop is named Dogbert (it's predeccessor was called Dilbert). My laptop is just called X220 though. None of my computers are called 'Pants'
[2:58] <danieldaniel> Wow
[2:58] <danieldaniel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Brand-New-Box-/270958621922?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f166474e2#ht_711wt_1141
[2:58] <Hexxeh> BenO: 4:39:11 Rendering line 287 of 384, 35279 supersamples
[2:58] <a_c_r> ??
[2:58] <IT_Sean> :|
[2:58] <danieldaniel> Its at more than $200
[2:58] <danieldaniel> >.>
[2:58] <danieldaniel> what is this I don't even
[2:58] <IT_Sean> the description is facepalmable, as well "
[2:58] <IT_Sean> The Raspberry Pi Is A Credit Card Sized Computer Board That Plugs Into A TV And A Keyboard. It???s A Miniature ARM-Based PC Which Can Be Used For Many Of The Things That A Desktop PC Does, Like Spreadsheets, Word-Processing And Games. It Also Plays High-Definition Video."
[2:59] <danieldaniel> 20% Of This Auction Will Be Donated To.
[2:59] <danieldaniel> 10% Will Be Donated To Make A Wish Foundation.
[2:59] <danieldaniel> 10% Will Be Donated To Raspberry Pi.
[2:59] <danieldaniel> For some reason I think thats BS
[2:59] <IT_Sean> Yeah.
[2:59] <IT_Sean> i smell the bullpucky from here
[2:59] <danieldaniel> But seriously
[2:59] <danieldaniel> WTF
[2:59] <danieldaniel> people are trying to make money from this?
[2:59] <Wolfram74> only 20% donations, that's kind of bull
[2:59] <danieldaniel> It's not what it's meant for
[3:00] <Wolfram74> bastards gonna pocket 160$
[3:00] <ted__> ugh
[3:00] <ted__> come on farnell/rs
[3:00] <ted__> the quicker we get tons out there
[3:00] <ted__> the less these dicks will make
[3:00] <IT_Sean> dicktards
[3:01] <Wolfram74> i did think that having about 10% of each run being auctioned would benefit the foundation
[3:01] <Wolfram74> but this guys going to pocket an incredible amount of money
[3:01] <danieldaniel> Wolfram74: He's not gonna donate it
[3:01] <IT_Sean> he should donate all of it
[3:01] <IT_Sean> - the purchase cost
[3:01] <a_c_r> haha.
[3:01] <a_c_r> maybe I'll list mine on the ebay
[3:02] <Wolfram74> yeah, if you wanted to go about it honorably
[3:02] <a_c_r> Sell it on IRC.
[3:02] <BenO> Hexxeh, Aw man... "3:19:10 Rendering line 32 of 384, 180 supersamples"
[3:03] <danieldaniel> someone should make an auction
[3:03] <BenO> Hexxeh, I figure the softfp will take 35 hours+
[3:03] <danieldaniel> and then take like a $5 profit or something
[3:03] <danieldaniel> And donate the rest made
[3:04] <pir2> but is $5 worth going to the back of the que?
[3:04] <danieldaniel> pir2: true
[3:04] <tpresence> Im underwhelmed at the moment
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[3:04] <Hexxeh> BenO: it's looking like maybe 6-7 hours for hardfp
[3:05] <tpresence> but it will get better when the OS' do what they are supposed to be doing
[3:05] <danieldaniel> I'm definitely not doing it
[3:05] * Hexxeh resists the urge to rant about how developers should have got the initial batch in order to get a head start on making things work well before users got them and were just disappointed/whined
[3:05] <tpresence> lol
[3:06] <tpresence> the whole launch has been not so good
[3:06] <tpresence> from the day of the "orders" until today so far
[3:06] <a_c_r> Launch is fine.
[3:06] <Wolfram74> it certainly could have gone smoother
[3:06] <a_c_r> People just be impatient
[3:06] <Wolfram74> but part of me thinks that this is really kind of standard, but they're just being more open about it
[3:06] <tpresence> you say that with your pi in hand :D
[3:06] <a_c_r> yep
[3:06] <BenO> Hexxeh, That is a serious speed up - hardfp armv6 debian should've been the reference distro
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[3:07] <tpresence> I think it was overall lack of experience
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[3:07] <danieldaniel> its funny though
[3:07] <danieldaniel> I registered my "interest" at RS
[3:07] <danieldaniel> And then gave up on them
[3:07] <a_c_r> Yeah. THey're human. And a not-for-profit.
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[3:07] <tpresence> as far as we know
[3:07] <danieldaniel> and then got an email saying its ready
[3:07] <ted__> Hexxewh where'd you get the hardfp distro from?
[3:08] <ted__> *Hexxeh
[3:08] <tpresence> its easy to be not for profit and be for profit
[3:08] <ted__> is it from that dude in the forum?
[3:08] <a_c_r> Hell, Apple does this on a regular basis and still has launch insanity and undersupply.
[3:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, I agree strongly with your resisted rant, but I think it was more to do with just not knowing who was a 'developer'. Also, some groups they approached said 'no thanks' - word of mouth, and no idea who was approached
[3:08] <Hexxeh> ted__: self built from the raspian packages
[3:08] <Hexxeh> BenO: they did, because they sent them to developers
[3:08] <tpresence> I never got a note that it was ready
[3:08] <tpresence> just "pay now"
[3:08] <BenO> a_c_r, true but there's a little bit of marketing in that
[3:08] <ted__> right, that's what i meant
[3:08] <Hexxeh> BenO: let people apply
[3:08] <danieldaniel> tpresence: Yeah, thats what I meant
[3:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, I agree with that
[3:08] <tpresence> oh ok
[3:08] <ted__> so can we compile _any_ source for ARMv6+harfp then?
[3:08] <danieldaniel> How do I find my serial number?
[3:09] <ted__> is it just compiler flags or is it more than that
[3:09] <Hexxeh> ted__: with the appropriate toolchain, sure
[3:09] <ted__> glorious.
[3:09] <Hexxeh> BenO: let devs prove they deserve one, then select as many devs as there are in the first batch to send them to
[3:09] <Hexxeh> if devs can share, even better
[3:09] <BenO> Hexxeh, I pestered Eben last year about it, laying some serious hints when we sat next to each other at a conf dinner. nothing ;)
[3:09] <tpresence> lol
[3:10] <ukscone> BenO did you offer a bribe?
[3:10] <Hexxeh> fwiw I don't think he really cares how they went out
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[3:10] <ukscone> hobnobs worked apparently
[3:10] <Hexxeh> as long as they do go out and reach the target audience eventually
[3:10] <IT_Sean> bribery worked for me!
[3:10] <passstab> i gave them a $35 bribe
[3:11] <passstab> still waiting :(
[3:11] <IT_Sean> you have to do better to that to get bumped to the top of the queue
[3:11] <BenO> ukscone, I came very close to bribing - I tried to see if I could get a board for Dev8D - no dice ;)
[3:11] <a_c_r> Need more h.264 awesomeness.
[3:12] <Hexxeh> oh dear, 2am
[3:12] * Hexxeh disappears
[3:12] <a_c_r> (for the hardware corollary to rule34)
[3:12] <tpresence> I need audio to just work at all, and a better res than 1168x628
[3:12] <ted__> i was reading some twitter conversations today... someone got XBMC working but couldn't do 1080p, only 720
[3:12] <ted__> :/
[3:12] <ukscone> BenO i used the puppy dog eyes and whinging -- worked great
[3:12] <ted__> i think 1080p+audio is too much
[3:12] <ukscone> well that and being sooper awesome
[3:12] <a_c_r> ted__: noo.
[3:12] <ted__> i wll find the thread one sec
[3:13] <a_c_r> rendering their 1080p test video on the pi used <10% cpu
[3:13] <tpresence> with the raspbmc stuff they advertised, they should hope not :D
[3:13] <BenO> ukscone, bah - no fair. I may have failed because I was trying to chat up Liz too ;)
[3:13] <ted__> that was without audio though
[3:13] <ted__> yes?
[3:13] <a_c_r> yes
[3:13] <BenO> (There was wine. Free wine)
[3:13] <BenO> ted__, Yep
[3:13] <ukscone> BenO: yes that would be a nono although i did stand guard over liz's handbag
[3:13] <a_c_r> i'm pretty sure demod mp3/mp4 audio can be done in <90% of a 700mhz arm
[3:13] <tpresence> since audio doesnt work even now, Im guessing it had to be minus audio
[3:13] <a_c_r> i have mpd working on it
[3:13] <ted__> someone has XBMC+audio working
[3:13] <ted__> using openmax for both
[3:14] <ted__> one sec, looking for thread
[3:14] <a_c_r> my pi was dumping some Led Zeppelin IV yesterday evening
[3:14] <ukscone> liam has a video he will be posting tomorrow as it's really large
[3:14] <ukscone> not sure whether he has it accellerated or not though for xmbc
[3:14] <tpresence> Im willing to be patient
[3:14] <BenO> ted__, sure, the openmax audio is fine
[3:14] <ted__> this dude https://twitter.com/#!/FraserLiam
[3:14] <tpresence> but before I dev anything, I want the OS clean
[3:15] <BenO> ted__, it's getting that connected to the usual linux audio spagetti
[3:15] <ted__> rifght
[3:15] <ted__> i thought XBMC bypassed that
[3:15] <ted__> went straight to openmax
[3:15] <BenO> ted__, yes - so if you want a media center, look to xbmc
[3:15] <tpresence> two things in linux are horrendous
[3:15] <tpresence> audio and wireless
[3:16] <BenO> ted__, if you want to run normal linux apps that produce sound though...
[3:16] <ted__> i think XBMC is more than just a media center install, it's a great full-screen media player
[3:16] <ted__> ah yes
[3:16] <ted__> ALSA
[3:16] <ted__> buggy ^$%^ing ALSA
[3:16] <BenO> http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png <-- diagram of linux audio
[3:16] <ted__> lol
[3:16] <IT_Sean> bloody hell
[3:16] <IT_Sean> could that be any MORE confusing?
[3:16] <tpresence> anyone figure out how to enable ssh in this new debian?
[3:17] <BenO> however, it shows why alsa is key to getting most things supported
[3:17] <tpresence> Im going to bitch at bdale about excluding sshd
[3:17] <a_c_r> yes
[3:17] <tpresence> fucking morons
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[3:17] <a_c_r> rename the boot* file to boot.rc
[3:17] <a_c_r> or just run sudo service ssh start
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[3:21] <ReggieUK> language tpresence!
[3:21] <tpresence> sorry reggie
[3:21] <tpresence> uncalled for language
[3:21] <ted__> agreed though, sshd is necessary
[3:21] <tpresence> I worked with bdale when he was at hp
[3:22] <tpresence> I Dont think it was him that decided this
[3:22] * pir2 has no screen so ssh is a lifesaver
[3:22] <tpresence> but he has the clout to change it
[3:22] <a_c_r> wtf? some one in the UK takes issue with profanity?
[3:23] <tpresence> this is the pi channel
[3:23] <ted__> yeah i don't have an HDMI monitor
[3:23] <tpresence> there are likely kids
[3:23] <tpresence> or will be
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[3:23] <a_c_r> Meh. They're on the internet.
[3:23] <tpresence> I understand
[3:24] <a_c_r> Kids. They're making noise outside.
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[3:26] <ReggieUK> there's the kids to consider and if you do it enough there's yourself and a channel ban to consider too :)
[3:27] <tpresence> although I dont believe in the "think of the children" argument...rules are rules.
[3:27] * a_c_r exercises his right to /ignore offensive speech. :-)
[3:28] <tpresence> If I made a rule to force people to strip to their underwear when entering my house...they can always choose not to enter.
[3:28] <ReggieUK> exactamundo :)
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[3:29] <abhatnag> hey guys, trying to get my modelB boot for the first time. My SD card (after dding the image on) says partition type unknown in gparted
[3:29] <abhatnag> anyone else seen this before?
[3:29] <a_c_r> which partition?
[3:29] <dipstick> tpresence: hehe, I be temptped to try that one day >=] girls only tho ;P
[3:29] * IT_Sean is off for the evening
[3:29] * IT_Sean hands ukscone the channel shotgun
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[3:29] <abhatnag> a_c_r: it's /dev/sdb1 on my system
[3:29] <tpresence> dip: your rules, right?
[3:29] <tpresence> which OS
[3:29] <dipstick> ofc
[3:29] <abhatnag> Fedora 16
[3:29] <tpresence> mine shows as fat32 and ext4
[3:29] <danieldaniel> Woah
[3:30] <tpresence> I didnt do fedora
[3:30] <danieldaniel> 350000 preorders
[3:30] <abhatnag> hmm, should I preformat it to ext4?
[3:30] <abhatnag> and then dd
[3:30] <tpresence> shouldnt matter
[3:30] <tpresence> dd will undo all of that
[3:30] <dipstick> dd is bit by bit copy
[3:30] <tpresence> its a disk image not partitions
[3:30] <a_c_r> it should be vfat,ext4 & swap... as I recall.
[3:30] <abhatnag> ah I see, hmm
[3:30] <dipstick> danieldaniel: where you find that?
[3:30] <danieldaniel> http://www.slashgear.com/raspberry-pi-pre-orders-reach-350000-19223701/
[3:31] <tpresence> I didnt do fedora (cause I loathe it :D)
[3:31] <abhatnag> you guys think it could be a Fedora specific problem?
[3:31] <abhatnag> tpresence: haha, why
[3:31] <a_c_r> although, I do think that was on deb & arch
[3:31] <tpresence> I know both arch and debian (multiple revs) worked for me
[3:31] <tpresence> I think the fedora maintainers are morons
[3:31] <a_c_r> can't recall what fedora partition table looked like
[3:31] <tpresence> arch had no swap
[3:31] <a_c_r> I've had all three images working though.
[3:31] <abhatnag> tpresence: I know some fedora maintaners, they're all nice people :)
[3:31] <a_c_r> ok. swap to SD seems kinda dumb.
[3:32] <tpresence> stated that if you cant do what you want in 224M you are using the wrong hardware
[3:32] <abhatnag> well, time to try another dd
[3:32] <tpresence> which is idiotic
[3:32] <ted__> the people that did the fedora rpi remix seemed to make a huge deal about it and released a pretty buggy build
[3:32] <ted__> and haven't said a word since
[3:32] <a_c_r> fedora has issues
[3:32] <a_c_r> wouldn't even load X
[3:32] <tpresence> abhat: Mother Theresa was awesome as human, but I wouldnt want her maintaining a linux distro :D
[3:32] <a_c_r> but the ?? demos compiled and ran
[3:32] <abhatnag> ted__: yeah, there was a backlog from what I heard. It loaded X pretty well in a few demos I saw
[3:32] <a_c_r> all the openmax headers were there
[3:33] <ted__> hmm
[3:33] <abhatnag> tpresence: going to reuse that one, thanks
[3:33] <a_c_r> i basically booted fedora to see if sound worked. it didnt, so i deleted it. back to debian
[3:33] <tpresence> feel free :D
[3:33] <ted__> i wish we could combine the functional bits from fedora with raspbian
[3:33] <ted__> the hardfp
[3:33] <danieldaniel> is cardboard OK for it to run on?
[3:33] <ted__> raspbian = the rpi distro of the future
[3:33] <tpresence> I want to know how they hosed up video from 4-13 to 4-19 on debian
[3:34] <a_c_r> tpresence: hosed up?
[3:34] <abhatnag> brb, going to try this using ImageWrite from Ubuntu
[3:34] <tpresence> I had 1280x720 with 4-13
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[3:34] <tpresence> and now its 1178x624 or whatever
[3:34] <dipstick> so long as it don't short, no worries
[3:35] <tpresence> I want 1080p
[3:35] <a_c_r> oh
[3:35] <a_c_r> that
[3:35] <a_c_r> yeah, i got a border on my 1920x1200 too
[3:36] <a_c_r> not sure why... arch did it too
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[3:36] <tpresence> you have 1178?
[3:36] <danieldaniel> ok, one more question
[3:36] <danieldaniel> Is it OK if its elevated?
[3:36] <tpresence> maybe its a firmware issue?
[3:36] <danieldaniel> So that it doesn't touch anything?
[3:36] <a_c_r> it wasn't that small, but there was a border
[3:36] <tpresence> really?
[3:36] <a_c_r> it could be used if people are getting weird issues after plugging into an HDTV
[3:37] <tpresence> mine should have gone to at least 720p
[3:37] <a_c_r> what they used to call overscan or some such nonsense
[3:37] <dipstick> danieldaniel: I put hdds directly on metal and fabric surfaces, as long as nothing can short, it's ok
[3:37] <danieldaniel> dipstick: Ok, thanks!
[3:37] <tpresence> yeah, the old ver was too large but config.txt adjustments fixed it
[3:37] <tpresence> I put rubber feet on my pi
[3:37] <a_c_r> would it be too nerdy if I took my laptop to the park?
[3:38] <tpresence> they couldnt go in the corners because of the pins
[3:38] <tpresence> but it works perfectly
[3:38] <passstab> there should be a pi-con
[3:38] <tpresence> if those pins hit metal...and short, you will likely be unhappy with the results
[3:38] <a_c_r> tpresence: good idea. i need to do that
[3:38] <dipstick> a_c_r: naw dog, I take mt netbook to retail joints ^.^
[3:38] <a_c_r> sunny day with a sweet view of the golden gate bridge.
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[3:40] <tpresence> you are in san fran or oakland?
[3:41] <a_c_r> sf
[3:41] <tpresence> I imagine that every single person in san fran is carrying notebooks everywhere they go
[3:42] <dipstick> NOBODY around here carries their laptop everywhere. :D laptops can be found in homes and offices tethered to the wall. which negates the point in getting a laptop imo.
[3:43] <tpresence> without broadcast power, dont expect that to change :D
[3:43] <tpresence> and broadcast power freaks people out for some stupid reason
[3:43] <dipstick> broadcast power?
[3:43] <tpresence> yeah
[3:43] <tpresence> ye ole tesla power
[3:43] <dipstick> like the wifi radio stuff?
[3:43] <tpresence> similar
[3:44] <dipstick> I'm not sure what you mean by this...
[3:45] <ted__> the idea of having electricity flowing though the air makes people nervous
[3:45] <tpresence> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_power
[3:45] <tpresence> far older
[3:45] <danieldaniel> I just made a really bad case
[3:45] <dipstick> ah
[3:45] <tpresence> if they had any idea whats flowing through the air they would probably be less nervous
[3:45] <dipstick> luls
[3:45] <a_c_r> Yes. This was a good idea. Glare isn't even an issue.
[3:46] <dipstick> I'm not sure if they even know it exists.
[3:46] <dipstick> they don't even understand how cell phones work.
[3:46] <tpresence> but they still accept the "wirelessness" of it
[3:47] <tpresence> if they had any clue at all
[3:47] <ted__> i STILL see flyers up now and then for mothers tryingto get wifi banned from school
[3:47] <ted__> "it's hurting our children!"
[3:47] <tpresence> I loathe idiots
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[3:47] <ted__> you'd be surprised at how packed full the spectrum is
[3:47] <dipstick> like somehow, the amount of data stored on the phone slows it down. it's all flash based, there's no mentionable seeking.
[3:48] <tpresence> wont put microwaves in their houses
[3:48] <ted__> taking out some wifi
[3:48] <ted__> is not going to change that
[3:48] <pir2> turnns out there isnt enough juice in the usb port to run a vfd
[3:48] <shirro> same retard mothers are killing the herd immunity by not vaccinating
[3:48] <tpresence> get a powered hub
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[3:48] <tpresence> the pi can only do 100mA on usb
[3:48] <ted__> taking a basic class in wireless communication really showed me how stupid some people are
[3:49] <ted__> question - does anyone know why the pi's USB ports don't draw power from the mains adapter?
[3:49] <ted__> 100 mA isn't exactly USB spec
[3:49] <pir2> yeah vfd draws ~ 300
[3:49] <a_c_r> ??
[3:49] <pir2> 100mA is usb
[3:49] <ted__> isn't it 500 mA?
[3:49] <tpresence> depends
[3:49] <dipstick> uh, the 5v rail is tired directly to power >.<
[3:49] <dipstick> tied*
[3:49] <pir2> you have to negioatiate 500?
[3:49] <ted__> "A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0;"
[3:50] <pir2> s/\?/\+/
[3:50] <ted__> but we're stuck at max 100 mA?
[3:50] <tpresence> I think thats because of the usb power
[3:50] <dipstick> I don't think the pi limits the current like a modern mobo.
[3:50] <tpresence> keep in mind
[3:50] <tpresence> you already drive alot of stuff via usb on the pi
[3:50] <tpresence> ethernet and other modules
[3:50] <tpresence> draw power as well
[3:51] <dipstick> hint hint, attach it to a computer psu on the 5v (red) wire and get LOTs of AMPS!!! mwahahaha!!!!
[3:51] <ted__> heh
[3:51] <tpresence> since the usb power adapter is 500mA, it cant feed all of that to the USB ports
[3:51] <ted__> ah i see
[3:51] <tpresence> they sent me the euro adapter
[3:51] <ted__> just seems silly to have two 5V adapter side by side for the pi and the hub
[3:52] <tpresence> ted: agreed, but its a design thing with the pi
[3:52] <tpresence> I think they wanted to ensure it was low poer
[3:52] <tpresence> power
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[3:52] <dipstick> couldn't the pi draw power from the device port if the hub sent power to it?
[3:52] <tpresence> its one way
[3:53] <ted__> pi draws more than usb spec though
[3:53] <tpresence> multiple grounds, and other nasty things
[3:53] <ted__> maybe one of those 2 -> 1 adapters
[3:53] <danieldaniel> http://i.imgur.com/CCuNi.jpg
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[3:53] <tpresence> still 200mA max
[3:53] <danieldaniel> http://i.imgur.com/lvTI3.jpg
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[3:54] <dipstick> nice box
[3:54] <danieldaniel> dipstick: Its really not
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[3:55] <tpresence> I may put mine in an outdoor outlet box until better options are avail
[3:55] <dipstick> using component cable for composite, lol nice. how's the quality.
[3:55] <tpresence> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=outdoor+outlet+box&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11010944866733702696&sa=X&ei=zWSTT7KxCcms2gXM7tyDBQ&ved=0CG4Q8gIwAQ
[3:56] <ted__> yup, i'll be running my 1080p videos out through composite too
[3:56] <ted__> kind of a waste...
[3:56] <tpresence> not right now you wont be :D
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[3:56] <ted__> :)
[3:56] <ajtag> swap nicks.... war pir2
[3:56] <ajtag> was pir2 even
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[3:58] <a_c_r> ugh. wind.
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[3:59] <abhatnag> hello; got my sd card in order; trying to boot raspi first time; nothing happens on display; various leds flash, but only power is solid
[3:59] <abhatnag> any help on this
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[4:00] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: If theres black smoke, run and panic
[4:00] <ajtag> that sounds about right
[4:00] <a_c_r> does the OK flash?
[4:00] <tpresence> abhat: you using hdmi? Have it up before boot?
[4:01] <abhatnag> danieldaniel: haha, nothing so far
[4:01] <danieldaniel> D:
[4:01] <abhatnag> OK flashes and is on soloid now
[4:01] <tpresence> if you hose your pi, you are 350k people behind the next order
[4:01] <abhatnag> tpresence: using hdmi; it's been in since before I powered on
[4:01] <tpresence> which OS?
[4:02] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: Its broken
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[4:02] <tpresence> and which SD card?
[4:02] <dipstick> um, no sd card, no boot. it has no bios
[4:02] <ajtag> sounds like you are booted with no output, have you plugged an ethernet cablein?
[4:02] <abhatnag> tpresence: a cheap 8GB
[4:02] <abhatnag> but the SD shows up fine on laptop
[4:03] <tpresence> Ive used a few cheap class 4s and a pricey class 10 and all have worked
[4:03] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: How did you move over the files?
[4:03] <abhatnag> danieldaniel: my heart's beating faster now cause of what you said
[4:03] <tpresence> the pi probably isnt broken
[4:03] <abhatnag> used ImageWriter in ubuntu, which just runs dd
[4:03] <tpresence> its probably your image or your SD card
[4:03] <a_c_r> what distro?
[4:03] <abhatnag> hmm, power led is orange now
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[4:04] <abhatnag> all other leds are on
[4:04] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: While you're waiting for it to blow up, have a nice look at my case: http://imgur.com/CCuNi,lvTI3
[4:04] <abhatnag> debian squeeze
[4:04] <ajtag> do you know which date?
[4:04] <abhatnag> danieldaniel: I'll send you the hospital bill after I have my heart attack
[4:04] <abhatnag> 19 April
[4:04] <ajtag> ok
[4:04] <abhatnag> does the orange LED indicate anything special
[4:04] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: I have that too
[4:04] <a_c_r> hmmm. just dd it again or try a different card
[4:05] <danieldaniel> and it blew up
[4:05] <danieldaniel> :)
[4:05] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: No, I don't think it does
[4:05] <mkopack> hey peeps
[4:06] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: Debian squeeze didn't work for me either
[4:06] <abhatnag> ok, going to do a sanity check on the sd
[4:06] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: Try the fedora one
[4:06] <danieldaniel> try that too
[4:06] <abhatnag> danieldaniel: hmm, good idea, gonna try that, thanks
[4:06] <tpresence> the 4-19 debian works
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[4:06] <tpresence> not the way I want it to
[4:06] <tpresence> but it works
[4:07] <abhatnag> hmm, my laptop is old, but can laptops now boot from sd?
[4:07] <tpresence> unlikely
[4:07] <abhatnag> that would be a good way of verifying the sd's fine
[4:08] <tpresence> its compatibilty failure
[4:08] <tpresence> probably not the media
[4:08] <tpresence> sds are notoriously flakey
[4:08] <abhatnag> tpresence: what sd do you use? what brand
[4:09] <tpresence> I have patriot, and kingston
[4:09] <tpresence> and an off brand crapola one
[4:09] <tpresence> so far all have workeed
[4:09] <abhatnag> damn, I have patriot too, it was the cheapest
[4:09] <RITRedbeard> the bios might see the sdcard as usb reader/boot device
[4:09] <tpresence> what class is it?
[4:09] <abhatnag> class 1
[4:10] <abhatnag> s/1/10
[4:10] <tpresence> jeez man
[4:10] <abhatnag> class 10*
[4:10] <tpresence> ok
[4:10] <tpresence> my patriot class 10 works
[4:10] <tpresence> 8G too
[4:10] <a_c_r> I've had luck with all of mine. SanDisk, Patriot, PNY, offbrand
[4:10] <tpresence> cant tell you model
[4:10] <abhatnag> haha yeah, I assume we have the same
[4:10] <abhatnag> trying again
[4:11] <tpresence> right now I have an ultra extreme speed class 10 I bought for my SLR in there
[4:12] <abhatnag> hmm, I see
[4:12] <abhatnag> does your display pop up immediately or does it come on near the end of the boot cycle
[4:12] <tpresence> a raspberry pops in the upper left hand corner
[4:12] <tpresence> but its not instant
[4:12] <abhatnag> hmm I see
[4:12] <tpresence> maybe 2 seconds
[4:13] <tpresence> thats probably due to negotiation
[4:13] <tpresence> thats with debian btw
[4:15] <a_c_r> my first flash failed. buggy card reader/writer
[4:16] <abhatnag> ...no luck :(
[4:16] <a_c_r> did teh second from my macbook air and worked flawlessly
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[4:16] <abhatnag> I guess I'll have to try another sd
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[4:17] <abhatnag> ok, what the FDX and 10M leds represent?
[4:17] <tpresence> fullduplex and speed?
[4:17] <abhatnag> I assume LNK is ethernet
[4:18] <abhatnag> sorry, not sure what fullduplex is, is that network?
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[4:20] <abhatnag> nvm, see it
[4:22] <tpresence> grrr
[4:23] <tpresence> lag
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[4:23] <abhatnag> mother of pearls! IT WORKS!!!!
[4:23] <tpresence> 10M is a little confused
[4:23] <abhatnag> lesson of the day: do not use a dollar store usb for power
[4:24] <tpresence> bad usb can hang the bus
[4:24] <abhatnag> yowza, so I was lucky I guess
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[4:24] <tpresence> not likely to do perm damage
[4:24] <tpresence> just be annoying
[4:25] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: So It didn't blow up?
[4:25] <abhatnag> danieldaniel: sorry
[4:26] <danieldaniel> :(
[4:26] <abhatnag> maybe it still will, maybe this is all a setup to an even bigger blowup
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[4:26] <danieldaniel> just curious, has anyone gotten a raspberry pi from farnell?
[4:26] <tpresence> rs here
[4:26] <danieldaniel> abhatnag: *hopes*
[4:26] <abhatnag> maybe upton and the raspberry pi are just evil geniuses shipping explosives and charging $35 for it
[4:27] <danieldaniel> D:
[4:27] <danieldaniel> I came home from vacation today
[4:27] <danieldaniel> after almost missing a train
[4:28] <danieldaniel> and a 9 hour flight
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[4:28] <danieldaniel> and came home to my rpi
[4:28] <danieldaniel> and I was like OMFG
[4:28] <tpresence> I was the same way
[4:28] <tpresence> until I booted it up with debian and sound was borked
[4:28] <danieldaniel> D:
[4:29] <tpresence> and I said ??WTF??
[4:29] <danieldaniel> I didn't even use sound :(
[4:30] <danieldaniel> anyone need some cesium?
[4:30] <danieldaniel> Put it on your RPI
[4:30] <danieldaniel> pour some water on it
[4:30] <danieldaniel> BOOM
[4:31] <tpresence> If I needed cesium Id take it out of my hp5065A
[4:32] <danieldaniel> I still can't believe i have an RPI
[4:32] <danieldaniel> When they are going on ebay for $210
[4:32] <tpresence> noone?
[4:32] <danieldaniel> What?
[4:32] <danieldaniel> No, there are 16 bidders or something
[4:32] <tpresence> its a 5071...5065 is rubidium
[4:32] <abhatnag> can pe please agree to call these guys raspi rather than rpi?
[4:33] <a_c_r> no joke. Mine is officially available for $500. 100% of after-tax proceeds go directly to my toys & beer fund.
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[4:33] <a_c_r> abhatnag: agreed!
[4:33] <danieldaniel> lol
[4:33] <a_c_r> rpi is a school in upstate new york where I had the misfortune of spending 4 months.
[4:33] <a_c_r> or just call it the ??
[4:34] <ajtag> hell yeah, twitgoo.com/5pjs4x
[4:34] <danieldaniel> ??
[4:34] <danieldaniel> ??????????????????????????????????
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[4:34] <danieldaniel> ??????????????????????????????
[4:34] <tpresence> its the raspberry pi vapor? :D
[4:34] <danieldaniel> ajtag: what is that
[4:34] <danieldaniel> wait
[4:34] <danieldaniel> OMG
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[4:35] <a_c_r> ha. lcd console.
[4:35] <ajtag> the vfd i was in about earlier
[4:35] <a_c_r> cheater used serial
[4:36] <BenO> The UART? or an FTDI?
[4:36] <ajtag> uart
[4:36] <a_c_r> real men would use gpio and wright their own kernel module
[4:36] <BenO> fair enough :)
[4:36] <tpresence> Id do it via jtag
[4:36] <tpresence> or spi
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[4:36] <BenO> a_c_r, heh yeah - there's still one pin that can do pwm afaik
[4:36] <ajtag> thats for tomorrow
[4:37] <ajtag> ohh not seen that documented
[4:37] <PReDiToR> Actually, real men would use a butterfly ... https://xkcd.com/378/
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, no, real men would use butterflies.
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> dammit!
[4:37] <ajtag> lol
[4:37] <BenO> wondered how long that would take to surface ;)
[4:37] <tpresence> if you arent using pidgins you arent an engineer
[4:38] * ajtag is looking to set up a competition for the most arcane way to transport data
[4:38] <PReDiToR> Punch cards in a pickup
[4:39] <PReDiToR> Stone tablets seems to be fairly arcane, unless you're a Merican, then it only happened 2,000 years ago.
[4:39] <tpresence> I know t a way that cant be beat
[4:39] <a_c_r> errr. that shoudl be write. too many things at wonce
[4:39] <a_c_r> dammit
[4:40] * ajtag started with serial over qrcode
[4:41] <PReDiToR> serial control of solenoids flipping switches to toggle LEDs read by another machine? Is that "out there" enough?
[4:41] <tpresence> d
[4:42] <tpresence> I have a way that will never be beat
[4:42] <tpresence> transfer via BO
[4:42] <ajtag> like it, i tried a similar thing with springs and solonoids pulling toggle wwitches
[4:42] <ajtag> but there was too much give in the string
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[5:05] <a_c_r> hrmmm... butterflies are unsustainable.
[5:08] <des2> That's why you use carrier pidgeons: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
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[5:12] <abhatnag> ok back after succesful test; question the second, does this dude come with a temperature sensor? I assume it auto turns off if overheating right?
[5:14] <des2> temperature sensor ?
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[5:15] <abhatnag> I mean internally, like with the processor; (I'm not a hardware guy, so I'm probably asking stupid questions)
[5:15] <des2> It's ok. You can't hear people laughing at you on IRC
[5:15] <des2> But that's not a stupid question
[5:16] <abhatnag> one of the many pluses of irc
[5:16] <shirro> abhatnag: it is a really good question. I would be surprised if it didn't.
[5:16] <abhatnag> but I'm thinking of my case now; so if I were to not ventilate enough, what would happen in case of an over heat? turn off or burn out?
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[5:17] <shirro> I expect it would have thermal shutdown but these things can run in a cramped phone case without a fan so is unlikely to be a problem
[5:18] <des2> It wasn't too long ago that CPUs didn
[5:18] <des2> didn't have one of those
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[5:18] <des2> But now a days it's normal to put one on the die
[5:19] <abhatnag> ah kickass; ok, brainstorming now
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[5:21] <shirro> there is no mention of a temp sensor in the bcm2835 datasheet. It might be an arm thing though.
[5:22] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[5:22] <des2> I was also just looking
[5:22] <abhatnag> hmm, some people have reported temps in excess of 50 degrees here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/cases-for-the-raspberry-pi/page-53
[5:22] <abhatnag> perhaps a fan is advisable
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[5:24] <des2> before a fan you would just epoxy a heat sink on it.
[5:24] <shirro> if temperature was an issue they would probably put a heatsink on the SoC instead of soldering ram on top.
[5:24] <abhatnag> btw, checkout this solid case someone designed: http://solidworksbootcamp.com/raspberry-pi-board-b-enclosure/
[5:24] <des2> but yeah as shirro points out there's ram over the chip
[5:26] <abhatnag> des2: wouldn't a simple fan in the box be an easier solution than the heatsink? it would just keep the internals of the box moderately cool
[5:28] <des2> abhatnag I run an entirely passively cooled Intel atom D510MO board
[5:28] <des2> In a metal case with lots of holes in it.
[5:28] <des2> Convection would be enough to cool the RPi
[5:29] <abhatnag> hmm, okay, that's good to know; I was thikning of taking the altoids route
[5:29] <des2> There are people here that have argued that the RPi cases don't even need holes
[5:30] <des2> I'm skeptical of that but they make reasonable arguments.
[5:30] <des2> The Intel D510MO board uses about 12 watts fairly constantly
[5:30] <abhatnag> true, the forum link I posted above had some people showing concern in no ventilation scenarios
[5:31] <des2> The Rpi uses < 4 watts
[5:31] <abhatnag> if someone has there's in a room in an air conditioned room, it will probably do better than one outside on a sunny day
[5:31] <abhatnag> yup
[5:31] <des2> http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure
[5:32] <des2> That's the case I use with the Intel board.
[5:32] <des2> No cooling and I don't have an airconditioned room.
[5:32] <des2> Just a metal case with lots of holes.
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[5:38] <abhatnag> ooh, they specialize in micro-enclosures; handy
[5:38] <des2> the pi is micro-micro
[5:39] <abhatnag> haha yeah, let's say pico
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[5:44] <shirro> There is a temp sensor according to a broadcom person. I just can't see it documented. Might see if they added it to the kernel source next. http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/safe-running-temperature/#p36138
[5:47] <abhatnag> ah cool; yeah I've heard Broadcom has been reluctant to publicize some of this stuff.
[5:53] <des2> Yeah I saw that post but it didn't sem to mention any halting temperature
[5:54] <des2> It wasn't clear whether the OS had to monitor the temp and make a decision to halt or the chip would automatically shutdown
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[5:57] <shirro> When they are shipping properly I am sure someone will put one in an oven and find out. Cheap hardware makes for fun destructive tests.
[5:59] <des2> Then we'll find out if it belnds.
[5:59] <des2> blends
[6:00] <des2> We have run them a prolonged time at 80 degr. Celsius in an oven with no problems.
[6:00] <des2> The Theta-J with an airflow of 0m/sec is ~35 C/W. This is with a PoP memory on top. So with a 1W power consumption your max. ambient temperature is about 120-35=85 Degrees Celsius. (185 F) By that time you should probably worry about other things in your garage.
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[6:11] <BenO> I've been quite impressed by it, heatwise - had it running the povray benchmark for about 6 1/2 hours (uncovered) and it's just warm, below blood temp.
[6:13] <shirro> Which distro is povray running on?
[6:16] <BenO> shirro, debian armel/softfp - to give a contrast to the hardfp/armv6 one
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[6:21] <shirro> I didn't run my A8 povray with the correct command line. I think it probably worked right but I will redo it tonight. Things you do when you don't have a real Pi.
[6:22] <BenO> shirro, heh :) Hexxeh re-ran the banchmark too - he missed out the benchmark.ini. I think that it's now far more realistic but it's easily 3x - 4x the speed of this one
[6:33] <shirro> BenO: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/debian-hard-float-armhf-for-rpi/page-13/#p67991
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[6:34] <BenO> shirro, I spotted that :) nice. It will be good to hear how Hexxeh's benchmark does - this one could take ~35ish hrs at a guess
[6:36] <BenO> correction - probably a *lot* longer with the supersampling, etc
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[6:42] <shirro> the imx53 QSB and beagleboard-xm are both $150 1Ghz Cortex A8 boards. If a $25-$35 armv6 board can beat them on povray it would be very interesting.
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[6:44] <shirro> I should run it with neon tonight as the vfp in the A8 is known to be weak so it is an easy target
[6:45] <peteyg_> Okay... so anyone got the Linksys WUSB54GC dongle working with their Pi? (Using Debian Squeeze here, and the dongle don't seem to power up, even though power draw should only be 95mA at idle?!)
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[6:45] <shirro> did you try it on a powered hub to eliminate power as a problem?
[6:46] <peteyg_> shirro: Unfortunately I don't have one handy :(. I thought I had a powered hub but it turns out not to be one, gah.
[6:47] <des2> Have you tried it on another computer ?
[6:47] <peteyg_> Yep, works fine
[6:47] <des2> What power supply are you using with the PI ?
[6:49] <peteyg_> des2: 5v 700ma BlackBerry charger
[6:50] <des2> Maybe a bit marginal.
[6:50] <des2> for a 95 ma adapter
[6:50] <peteyg_> I have a 1.8A charger lying around, could give that a try, but would the board be able to handle 1A+ power draw?
[6:50] <des2> The RPI is resettable fuzed at 1 amp
[6:51] <des2> It will only draw what it needs
[6:51] <des2> so it
[6:51] <peteyg_> Ah, okay. Cool, so I'm relatively safe... :)
[6:51] <des2> So it'll only draq uaual + 95 ma.
[6:51] <peteyg_> Rigth
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[6:52] <peteyg_> I'll give the other charger a try then
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[7:06] <FZombie> so how many years until us back of the line folks get a rpi? haha
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[8:45] <raynerd> What SD card arer you guys using?
[8:58] <_av500_> Sandisk 8MB
[9:01] <raynerd> what is biggest physical size you can use?
[9:01] <raynerd> presume you use usb mass storage for large file storage
[9:02] <raynerd> If I`m being honest, just want to make sure I have everything I need for when mine arrives.
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[9:19] <Hydrazine> good morning
[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[10:44] <alexsdutton> Hexxeh: I've got android repos? I can't see anything I've put up on GitHub. *confused*. (also, hello!)
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[11:32] <techman2> afternoon
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[11:36] <Iota> Afternoon, techman2.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
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[11:42] <Purgox> Hello.
[11:42] <Purgox> ~
[11:42] <Purgox> Hmm, is it supposed to take ages to load up a bash promp after login?
[11:42] <Purgox> I'm talking 1+ minute
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[12:02] <techman2> hey Lord_DeathMatch
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[12:07] <techman2> hey again, Lord_DeathMatch
[12:14] <Lord_DeathMatch> o/
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[12:15] <Lord_DeathMatch> techman2: any idea if any sellers of the RasPI are planning on supporting paypal anytime soon?
[12:17] <danieldaniel> Lord_DeathMatch: RS does
[12:18] <danieldaniel> Date of order Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 11:07 PM
[12:18] <danieldaniel> Your order number
[12:18] <danieldaniel> Method of Payment PayPal
[12:18] <danieldaniel> Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 7 working days)
[12:18] <Lord_DeathMatch> wahey! we have a winner :D cheers danieldaniel :D
[12:18] <danieldaniel> :)
[12:22] <Purgox> nice one danieldaniel
[12:22] <Purgox> Lord_DeathMatch: RS supported payPal indeed.
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[12:26] <Lord_DeathMatch> danieldaniel Purgox: any idea since when?
[12:27] <danieldaniel> Lord_DeathMatch: I think since they started letting people pay
[12:28] <danieldaniel> Because I didn't remember seeing it before then
[12:28] <danieldaniel> They used to say visa and master card, I think
[12:28] <Purgox> I'm writing a small tutorial on how to debootstrap your own Raspbian system
[12:28] <Purgox> :)
[12:28] <Purgox> Because there are a few gotchas involved.
[12:30] <Lord_DeathMatch> danieldaniel: righteo; and cheers again :)
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[12:34] <Purgox> http://wrttn.in/59e640
[12:34] <Purgox> the story so far
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[12:40] <a_c_r> Purgox: good stuff!
[12:40] <danieldaniel> Purgox: nice
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[12:51] <Purgox> http://wrttn.in/59e640
[12:51] <Purgox> slightly updated now.
[12:51] <Purgox> time to continue work on the kernel
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[13:05] <danieldaniel> hmm
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[13:05] <danieldaniel> is a really quiet humming noise normal?]
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[13:08] <Hexxeh> alexsdutton: Hello! Sorry, got you mixed up with somebody else with a very similar name i think :P
[13:09] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/FunkyAndroid/
[13:09] <Hexxeh> BenO: it finished overnight, 6 hours 20 minutes 10 seconds
[13:10] <danieldaniel> what is it?
[13:10] <Hexxeh> that link?
[13:10] <danieldaniel> yeah
[13:10] <Hexxeh> the beginnings of android for rpi by the looks of it
[13:11] <danieldaniel> :O
[13:11] <Hexxeh> note the word beginnings
[13:11] <Hexxeh> it might not even boot yet
[13:12] <danieldaniel> oh
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[13:19] <Purgox> Small question: are the modules in the firmware repository sufficient or do you also need the modules from the kernel compilation?
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[13:19] <Hexxeh> you need the modules from the compilation
[13:19] <Hexxeh> they're matched to a kernel
[13:19] <Hexxeh> well, no, they're matched to a few things actually
[13:20] <Purgox> True.
[13:20] <Purgox> So the modules from firmware/ are basically useless?
[13:20] <Purgox> When compiling your own kernel
[13:20] <Hexxeh> they're fine if you use the kernel.img from that same repo
[13:20] <Purgox> yeah
[13:21] <Hexxeh> if you're interested, try something like: strings /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/binfmt_misc.ko | grep vermagic
[13:25] <Purgox> how do you actually perform make modules_install under a different root?
[13:25] <Purgox> Nevermind, found it.
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[13:26] <Hexxeh> make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path modules_install
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[13:36] <Purgox> http://wrttn.in/59e640
[13:36] <Purgox> Updated!
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[13:41] <Hexxeh> have you actually booted with those instructions?
[13:42] <Hexxeh> it looks like you're passing the bzImage to imagetool
[13:42] <Hexxeh> which i don't think will work
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[13:46] <danieldaniel> I'm going to home depot and making a nice wood case for it
[13:46] <danieldaniel> in a few hours
[13:47] <Purgox> Hexxeh: why not?
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[13:47] <Hexxeh> you need to use Image, not bzImage
[13:47] <Purgox> right.
[13:47] <Hexxeh> bzImage is a compressed kernel image, Image is uncompressed
[13:47] <Hexxeh> it doesn't know how to decompress it presumably
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[13:51] <Purgox> Valid point.
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[13:55] <Purgox> is boot/Image auto-created?
[13:55] <Purgox> since there is no 'None' compression image
[13:55] <Purgox> option*
[13:55] <Hexxeh> it was for me
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[14:00] <Purgox> Updated.
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[14:29] <Hexxeh> in the firmware repo opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/libilclient.a
[14:29] <Hexxeh> that should be softfp shouldn't it?
[14:29] <Hexxeh> it appears to be hardfp
[14:30] <Purgox> hardfp is best fp anyway
[14:30] <Hexxeh> yes, but it's not in the hardfp folder on the repo lol
[14:31] <Purgox> :3
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[14:42] <Matt> morn
[14:42] <Hexxeh> morning
[14:42] <shirro> Hexxeh: yeah, you are right.they had softfloat in hardfloat for ilclient before. raise it on github
[14:42] <Hexxeh> strange
[14:42] <Hexxeh> there's also two files in there by the same name
[14:42] <Hexxeh> but with different contents
[14:43] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/libilclient.a and https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/opt/vc/lib/libilclient.a
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[14:45] <shirro> oh, waith no it isn't
[14:47] <shirro> yeah, there was an openVG file in there before that was copied to rename it to something more correct and the old one left there I think. I am sure there is a bit of history to this stuff.
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[14:48] <shirro> I look for Tag_ABI_VFP_args in readelf -a to tell if it is hard or soft float.
[14:49] <danieldaniel> OMG
[14:49] <danieldaniel> Wtf, I want the 5 lb box of uranium
[14:49] <Hexxeh> shirro: I'm using if [ "$ELFOUTPUT" != "${ELFOUTPUT/HardFP/}" ]; then
[14:49] <danieldaniel> And its out of stock :(
[14:49] <Hexxeh> where $ELFOUTPUT is `readelf -A /bin/bash`
[14:49] <ReggieUK> are you still going mental for nuclear stuff danieldaniel?
[14:49] <danieldaniel> ReggieUK: Kinda
[14:49] <danieldaniel> I wanna make my house glow :D
[14:49] <ReggieUK> you'll go bald
[14:50] <shirro> Hexxeh: I don't think that is right
[14:50] <danieldaniel> i need a resistor to make the LEDs work
[14:50] <danieldaniel> The ultraviolet ones
[14:50] <danieldaniel> Which I'm getting later, and then it will glow :O
[14:50] <shirro> Tag_ABI_HardFP_use appears in softfloat O believe
[14:50] <ReggieUK> I always found with nuclear stuff that it was best to make someone elses house glow
[14:50] <Hexxeh> doesn't appear to
[14:50] <Hexxeh> i've got one pi running softfp and one running hardfp to test this
[14:50] <Hexxeh> that code seems to detect it correctly
[14:51] <danieldaniel> Hexxeh: You have two pis?
[14:51] <Hexxeh> yeah
[14:51] * ReggieUK officially hates hexxeh
[14:51] <danieldaniel> WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
[14:51] <ReggieUK> 2 pis? :( bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[14:51] <danieldaniel> i had two more coming
[14:51] <danieldaniel> But I cancelled them
[14:51] <danieldaniel> Hexxeh: I would have beat you by having 3 :)
[14:52] <Hexxeh> added VC libs support to rpi-updater, woo
[14:52] <shirro> I think Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers means that fpu args are passed in the fpu registers. There seems to be a clear difference between the stuff in opt/vc/libs and hardfloat/opt/vc/libs
[14:53] <Hexxeh> oh, yes, there is
[14:53] <Hexxeh> but look at the ilclient in hello_pi/libs in both
[14:53] <Hexxeh> it's the same...
[14:54] <shirro> yes. https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1 I thought it had been closed
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[14:54] <Hexxeh> looks like it's gone the other way now, it's hardfp :P
[14:55] <Hexxeh> Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP
[14:55] <shirro> I think the build script doesn't rebuild libilclient so it gets forgotten and the old one copied over or something
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[14:55] <Hexxeh> probably
[14:56] <Hexxeh> the hardfp seem to be out of date more often
[14:56] <shirro> I am not complaining. At least they have hardfloat and seem willing to fix these things when told
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[14:58] <Hexxeh> can somebody who has rpi-update installed run it again please let me know if it updates your VC libs properly
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[15:04] <shirro> I think Tag_ABI_HardFP_use has nothing to do with the ABI but means the CPU supports single and double precision hardware floating point. It should appear in all armv6 compiled libs. And I suspect that unlike Debian the RPF are compiling for armv6 for either ABI
[15:05] <shirro> Well all amv6+vpu stuff
[15:06] <shirro> I think the less obviously named ABI_VFP_args is what tells you about the ABI becuase it says if vfp args are being passed in vfp registers
[15:06] <Hexxeh> actually you're right
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[15:07] <Hexxeh> where is ABI_VFP_args though? can't see it in readelf -a output
[15:07] <Hexxeh> oh, I see, it's present on hardfp, but not on softfp
[15:07] <Hexxeh> got it
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[15:09] <Iota> Lunch time! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/110674/2012-04-22%2014.06.03.jpg
[15:09] <Iota> Wrong channel.
[15:11] <shirro> I think Tag_ABI_HardFP_use probably means it has been compiled with something like -mfpu=vpf and the presence of Tag_ ABI_VFP_args is the indicator for -mhard-float. Both of which are quite handy to be able to check without decompiling stuff.
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[15:12] <Hexxeh> so checking for VFP_args if what's needed
[15:14] <Purgox> Honk honk
[15:15] <shirro> Looks like it for ABI yes. I guess you should check that VFP_args is VFP registers but I have not seen it say integer registers. So far it only shows up for armhf stuff as far as I can tell
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[15:33] <Purgox> Install Gentoo on your raspberry pi.
[15:34] <Hexxeh> Don't tempt me :P
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[15:38] <Purgox> Fun fact is, it's most likely the easiest to install.
[15:38] <Hexxeh> It's really not
[15:39] <Hexxeh> Debian is the easiest if you have packages ready made
[15:39] <Purgox> with gentoo you can just straight up download the rootfs
[15:39] <Purgox> no need for debootstrap etc
[15:39] <Hexxeh> you'd need to make it
[15:39] <Hexxeh> don't think anywhere has prebuilt armv6zk stage3 tarballs
[15:39] <Purgox> huh?
[15:39] <Purgox> armv6j is there
[15:40] <Hexxeh> if you were doing gentoo
[15:40] <Hexxeh> the entire point is that it's targeted at your hardware
[15:40] <Hexxeh> so you'd want hardfp and armv6zk, the proper mtune etc
[15:41] <Purgox> well, then after booting you'd just do emerge -U world
[15:41] <Hexxeh> yes
[15:42] <Hexxeh> but getting to that point isn't trivial
[15:42] <Hexxeh> goddamn, you're making me want to do it
[15:42] <Hexxeh> here goes nothing...
[15:42] <Purgox> har.
[15:42] <Purgox> my point is, get the armv6j tarball, extract and boot into it, set march and mtune and hardfp etc, and them emerge -NU world
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[15:43] <Hexxeh> i think rebuilding everything hardfp from a softfp stage3 wouldn't go well
[15:43] <Hexxeh> you'd really want to build your own stage3
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[15:45] <Purgox> there are currently armv5tl, armv5tel, armv6j, armv7a and armv7a_hardfp stage3s :(
[15:46] <Purgox> armv4tl*
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[15:51] <danieldaniel> is a humming noise normal?
[15:51] <danieldaniel> from the raspi?
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[15:53] <danieldaniel> it happens on boot
[15:53] <shirro> Put a couple of fans on it and you won't be able to hear it. Works for other computers.
[15:53] <Purgox> Oh, I meant to ask this.
[15:53] <danieldaniel> and then after a couple minutes, it goes away
[15:53] <danieldaniel> shirro: I don't mind hearing it, but is it normal?
[15:53] <Purgox> When connecting the RPi to my monitor using HDMI
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[15:54] <Purgox> it gives a huge static sound coming out of the monitor speakers
[15:54] <Purgox> Any ideas?
[15:54] <Purgox> does't happen on my TV
[15:54] <danieldaniel> monitor == broken
[15:55] <Purgox> :/
[15:55] <Purgox> well, I did plug it into a soundless HDMI port at my TV
[15:57] <danieldaniel> then your Raspi is broken
[15:58] <Thorn_> send it to me for repair
[15:58] <Purgox> Nooo
[15:58] <Purgox> :'(
[15:58] <TTSDA> Hey guys, when will new raspberry pies be available?
[15:58] <Purgox> also, for everyone with a pi here
[15:58] <Purgox> what does the sticker at the bottom say for you?
[15:59] <Thorn_> "fake"
[15:59] <Purgox> har
[16:01] <Thorn_> TTSDA: they are now in serial production... probably a few months before the backlog goes down
[16:01] <TTSDA> Ok, thanks for the info Thorn_
[16:02] <Thorn_> afaik you can still preorder from farnell now
[16:02] <Thorn_> but you wont get them for a few months
[16:04] <Thorn_> you could always get one from ebay at an extortionate price
[16:05] <TTSDA> I will wait the few months then :l
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[16:13] <wcchandler> i was tempted to hawk mine on ebay last night... frustrating the bugger out of me, only to have it crapped out this morning in the middle of building :(
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[16:21] <ReggieUK> poor attitude :D
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[16:33] <wcchandler> yeah, i think it was mostly frustration + lack of sleep
[16:40] <ReggieUK> it's a learnt skill I feel these days
[16:40] <ReggieUK> learning that patience and determination is key when you're at this level of a devices development
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[17:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, 17:35:58 Rendering line 87 of 384, 3404 supersamples
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[17:27] <SpeedEvil> So in short - for stuff involving lots of floating point - use the floating point coprocessor, and don't emulate it?
[17:27] <Hexxeh> Oh wow BenO :P
[17:27] <Hexxeh> 6 hours 20 minutes
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Can you also do benchmarks on how long it takes to dry a cat in the microwave? :)
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> More seriously.
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> What's the real-life application for stuff people might want to run?
[17:28] <passstab> lol i can't wait for the phoronix article
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> I could be wrong, but I don't think there are 250K POV-addicts out there.
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Real life speedup, I mean
[17:29] * Xark wants to know how many seconds per frame on Crysis. :)
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Obligatory POV shot.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> My UAV.
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> That hasn't gotten built yet :/
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Climb-optimised VTOL.
[17:29] <passstab> running the latest ubuntu gives the microwave regressions
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Aiming at ~3km in 3 mins, hover 30s taking a gigapixel panorama, then autoland.
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[17:39] <Iota> SpeedEvil: Looks and sounds pretty darn good. Anywhere I can hear more about it? Keep track of updates?
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Iota: I can show you a picture of the box the bits have been in for closing on 2 years.
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[17:39] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, the CAA rules changed, and made it less arguably legal to do.
[17:40] <Iota> :(
[17:40] <Iota> That's annoying.
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[17:40] <SpeedEvil> It's basically a ducted fan, with thrust vectoring.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> The idea is simply to optimise for climb - which is very different from optimising for hover.
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> It is _murderously_ inefficient when hovering.
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[17:41] <Iota> Oh right.
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> But if you want a quadcopter of conventional design to get to 3km, it will be climbing slowly before running out of battery.
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> This goes up at ~30MPH
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[17:43] <Iota> ^.^ Nice.
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Well - or more technically - sits in a box.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Design weight was about a kilo, including camera and laser ranger.
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[17:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, It is worth me leaving this to finish? I think it's made its point about the improvements to vectorisable ops
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[17:50] <BenO> I mean, it's nearly a 1/4 done and 17hrs taken...
[17:50] <Hexxeh> BenO: if it's been running this long, i'd probably let it finish :P
[17:50] <Hexxeh> but it's up to you
[17:50] <Hexxeh> if you do cancel it, copy paste the output so far
[17:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, it's alright for you, you have two of them! ;)
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[17:51] <hotwings> good morning rpi fans
[17:52] <passstab> goad moarining hotwings
[17:56] <passstab> so after demand stabilizes will they move to stable?
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Morning, hotwings
[17:59] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: I'm not cho' hotwing
[17:59] <shirro> BenO: You probably should have set CFLAGS to enable the fpu when you compiled. So I would kill it as you aren't comparing the ABI performance difference which is kind of interesting but the software floating point which really isn't
[18:00] * danieldaniel is making a wood case tomorrow (and glossing it when it stops raining)
[18:02] <BenO> shirro, I had built it with what I thought where the softfp options
[18:02] <IT_Sean> O.o
[18:02] <BenO> due to the time taken, it is likely doing pure "soft" float
[18:02] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel, ooh? Are you stealing my idea? :p
[18:02] <danieldaniel> your idea?
[18:03] * IT_Sean has been taking about a wooden case for weeks in here. But, hey, have fun with it! :)
[18:03] <danieldaniel> i came up with it :(
[18:03] <danieldaniel> oh
[18:03] <IT_Sean> I was just joking, man. More power to ya. I can't wait to see it, though.
[18:03] <danieldaniel> :D
[18:04] <danieldaniel> I just came back from home depot
[18:04] <hotwings> im going to make a plexiglass case... if my rpi ever shows up
[18:04] <danieldaniel> getting everything
[18:04] <shirro> hotwings: me too
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[18:14] <danieldaniel> http://imgur.com/ybUI0
[18:14] <Hexxeh> shirro: Did you see the result I got with hardfp?
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat off-topic. Does anyone have a suggestion for a drawing program for android tablet? needs to support pinch-zoom, and not be aimed at 6 year old girls with eighteen billion brushes, and little else.
[18:15] <danieldaniel> lol
[18:15] <danieldaniel> SpeedEvil: You mean to tell me that your not a 6 year old girl?
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[18:15] <SpeedEvil> Alas not.
[18:16] <danieldaniel> :O
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[18:17] <shirro> Hexxeh: yeah. I suspected the Pi would kill the A8 on floating point but I didn't know if the clock difference would make up for it.
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[18:21] <BenO> shirro, Hexxeh rebuilding povray with more specific tuning for the softfp
[18:21] <BenO> -O3 -mtune=arm1176jzf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
[18:21] <danieldaniel> wait, is UV light bad for your eyes?
[18:21] <danieldaniel> I've been staring at it
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[18:22] <shirro> BenO: looks good to me.
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: Generally yes.
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: Also - don't run with scissors, or poke bears with sticks.
[18:22] <danieldaniel> oh
[18:22] <Hexxeh> BenO: out of interest, what PSU are you using for your Pi?
[18:23] <Hexxeh> i think that kernel panic MIGHT be power related?
[18:23] <danieldaniel> thats why my eyes were stinging
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: what sort of UV
[18:23] <danieldaniel> let me get the piece of paper
[18:23] <Thorn_> yes, 30 minutes of exposure to UV light directly and you will be blind within 96 hours
[18:23] <Thorn_> it's fatal.
[18:23] <Thorn_> i would advise getting medical attention immediately
[18:24] <BenO> Hexxeh, At the moment, it's a HTC charger - seems to provide decent current without an undue drop off in voltage, so I've stuck with it
[18:24] <danieldaniel> oh crap
[18:24] <danieldaniel> 385nm - 390nm
[18:24] <Thorn_> after you go blind, your eyes will fall out
[18:24] <danieldaniel> lol
[18:24] <BenO> Hexxeh, which kernel panic?
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: that's not very UV
[18:25] <danieldaniel> oh
[18:25] <danieldaniel> ok
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: your eyes may itch and sting for a bit
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: higher energy UV can result in cancer.
[18:25] <Hexxeh> BenO: the high IO related one
[18:26] * haltdef aims his 100mw green laser at SpeedEvil
[18:26] * danieldaniel aims his 350mW laser at haltdef
[18:26] <danieldaniel> for any interested
[18:26] <BenO> Hexxeh, Dom has been able to reproduce that one, but is struggling to on a colleagues - would be interesting to see what the PSU difference of the two is
[18:26] <danieldaniel> I got it from http://bitlasers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=37&osCsid=ebraamvojd45muv8lppklq5id5
[18:26] * haltdef pulls out a mirror just in time
[18:27] * danieldaniel pulls out a mirror
[18:27] <danieldaniel> oh wait
[18:27] * haltdef pulls out another mirror
[18:27] <haltdef> I believe you'll be out of hands if you do the same
[18:28] * danieldaniel puts down laster
[18:28] <danieldaniel> laser
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[18:29] <passstab> why don't you boys take this to #mirrorplay ?
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[18:38] <danieldaniel> Everyone comment NAO
[18:38] <danieldaniel> http://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/smra6/teh_glowing_uraniumz/
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[19:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, shirro using all the tuned flags, it's running at about the same rate. Will certainly know more after it's done it's first number crunch of building the Photon maps
[19:02] <BenO> In fact, it's very similar to https://gist.github.com/2464923, and gets to "Creating light buffers 2299K tokens" at 00:01:05, so pretty much identical to before
[19:02] <BenO> this is with the povray directory scoured before the fresh make
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[19:10] <shirro> Actually looks like the amount of FP in povray is so extreme this is probably the legitimate difference in performance.
[19:11] <Hexxeh> 6 hours is pretty awesome going
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[19:13] <danieldaniel> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60863.0
[19:13] <danieldaniel> I bought some of the honey carmels
[19:13] <danieldaniel> caramels8
[19:14] <danieldaniel> I got raspberry!
[19:14] <Thorn_> i bought some of the horny camels too
[19:14] <danieldaniel> lol
[19:16] <mkopack> what's going on guys?
[19:16] <mkopack> Argh! You guys are talking ray tracers? I came here to take a break from working on mine for my grad school class!
[19:17] <tpresence> Im surprised people still use them :D
[19:17] <tpresence> they were "emerging" in the early 90s
[19:17] <tpresence> but I figured people would be bored by now
[19:17] <mkopack> well, the class I'm taking is "Advanced Rendering Techniques" and we have to write one from the ground up (although the book for the class pretty much gives you all the code)
[19:19] <danieldaniel> Anyone know why yum won't work?
[19:19] <cjbaird> Gah. When I was at Uni, doing a COMP300-level Undergrad Graphics class, I had an assignment to do a modeller+raytracer.. We only had black&white X Terminals... :/
[19:19] <cjbaird> ..and not monochrome... just.. black and white.
[19:20] <BenO> cjbaird, mmmm dithering
[19:21] <danieldaniel> Error: database disk image is malformed
[19:22] * danieldaniel googles
[19:23] <cjbaird> B: must of the effort went into trying to get a resumable batch renderer :( .. This was also the time of a 40MHz Sparcstation shared between 100 users..
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[19:27] <mkopack> cj: I wasn't much later than you as an undergrad...
[19:28] <mkopack> I got a chuckle when the prof was telling the students how "this (some) technique came about in the early 90's, and was done on SGI Onyx workstations that were the first of their kind to provide the sort of rendering technology to do this stuff.." I just laughed because I remember when we GOT those when I was an Undergrad @ Ga Tech and we used those in my undergrad Graphics class!
[19:29] <mkopack> And the rest of the students in the class had never even SEEN one of those
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[19:31] <mkopack> cjbaird: So, yeah, I remember those days??? I worked at an Air Force research lab i the summers during college and our departmental server was an old Sun 4/360 (?IIRC) that had a whopping 200 Mhz processor and 128MB of RAM and we thought that was the shit!
[19:32] <mkopack> When DEC came and gave us a Demo of their new Alpha chip systems we were like drooling! It was literally 5x faster than anything we had ever used and they claimed it would scale to >2Ghz and we were like 'No frickin way!"??? Granted, my HOME PC was only a 386DX-40 at the time!
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[19:35] <BenO> Ah memories :)
[19:36] <cjbaird> "That Feel..." when the CS Department gets a latest and greatest four-50MHz-cpu Sparc ('station 20?).. and only the postgrad and staff were authorised to use it. :(
[19:37] <cjbaird> (and they had colour monitors! :P)
[19:37] <Hexxeh> one fork bomb and you'd be buggered :P
[19:37] <BenO> And then, after a few years, when you find Indy's being put into a skip outside the departments...
[19:37] <BenO> I had rescued one for a while and then donated it on
[19:38] <BenO> Fun, but an item of history really
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[19:39] <cjbaird> The Ultimate of Happiness at Uni for me was rescuing one of the Sony MIPS NeWS workstations that I had an account on. "Now it's MINE!! :D:D:D"
[19:40] <cjbaird> "I actually own it now! <flails arms like Kermit the Frog>"
[19:40] <BenO> Heh
[19:43] <Hexxeh> think i've learnt more about gdb and cross-compilation playing with the pi within two weeks than i have in the past few years :P
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[19:45] <passstab> how do i run qemu in terminal so i can copy/paste?
[19:46] <Hexxeh> have you setup it's serial console?
[19:46] <passstab> ???
[19:47] <cjbaird> One of the Great Tragedies for computers was the disappearence of real multi-user systems.. The best computers to have an account on back at Uni were those with hundreds of users. :) (These days, it's rare for a Linux box to have more than one user... Mine hasn't had a second active account in 9 years :(
[19:48] <cjbaird> I'll have to see about using a RPi to turn the 1080p TV into an X Terminal, and getting the housemate to use it. :)
[19:50] <danieldaniel> x terminal?
[19:50] <danieldaniel> housemate?
[19:50] <danieldaniel> oh, roommate
[19:51] <cjbaird> ...except, in a house.
[19:52] <danieldaniel> oic
[19:52] <danieldaniel> anyone know what error: database disk image is malformed means?
[19:52] <danieldaniel> I can't fix it :(\
[19:52] <danieldaniel> Google didn't help either
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[19:52] <danieldaniel> i tried rebuilding the yum db, and making a new history
[19:52] <danieldaniel> didn't fix
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[19:59] <des2> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=260195
[20:00] <des2> See that thread
[20:01] <danieldaniel> already seen
[20:01] <danieldaniel> :(
[20:01] <danieldaniel> Didn't fix
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[20:04] <mkopack> cjbaird: Well, the reason for that is it just became inexpensive enough that everyone could get their own Linux machine with high performance??? It wasn't necessary to share anymore
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[20:05] <acfrazier> "You should be able to use your Simple:Press user name and password to log in to phpBB. Luckily both systems use the same password hashing algorithm."
[20:05] <acfrazier> am I the only one that finds something wrong with this?
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[20:07] <danieldaniel> dafuq
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[20:08] <danieldaniel> they share passwords?
[20:08] <danieldaniel> acfrazier: o.o
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[20:08] <acfrazier> danieldaniel, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1105
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[20:09] <danieldaniel> oh
[20:09] <danieldaniel> wrong context
[20:09] <Dagger2> in principle there's no problem with it
[20:09] <Dagger2> so long as the method of hashing itself isn't stupid
[20:10] <acfrazier> if it's MD5 shoot me
[20:10] <acfrazier> since obviously it's not salted if they can just copy the db
[20:10] <danieldaniel> lol
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[20:12] <Dagger2> uh, the salt is stored in the database with the hashed password
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[20:13] <acfrazier> Dagger2, then that's retarded.
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[20:16] <Dagger2> where else would you store it? the application needs access to the salt to verify a user's password
[20:16] <Dagger2> note that each password has its own randomly-generated salt... there's not one single salt used for all accounts
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[20:20] <giggsey> I'm booting my Pi off a NFS server, but I can't sudo to start ssh. Any ideas?
[20:20] <acfrazier> run SSH as a daemon on startup?
[20:20] <wcchandler> giggsey: you have a writeup on how you're doing that? please
[20:21] <giggsey> wcchandler: trial and error :P
[20:21] <lennard> giggsey: so blog a little about it, the world will love you for it :)
[20:21] <giggsey> I've been mostly following the xbmc topic
[20:22] <Hexxeh> anyone wanna save my sanity and trying to make some sense of a stacktrace for me?
[20:22] <Hexxeh> last post in this thread: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-os-dev/browse_frm/thread/9aa142ac21958a50
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[20:23] <wcchandler> giggsey: this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/bulding-xbmc-for-raspberry-pi/?value=xbmc&type=1&include=1&search=1&ret=all ?
[20:24] <giggsey> wcchandler: yeah
[20:26] <wcchandler> before you made the debian image did you do the ssh magic to make it work on boot?
[20:26] <giggsey> No, but have just done that using Windows to edit the boot partition
[20:27] <FZombie> Anyone plan to use their raspi for amateur radio?
[20:27] <tpresence> just have to do update-rc.d ssh start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 .
[20:27] <wcchandler> FZombie: planning for the zombie-pocalypse?
[20:27] <FZombie> I have not gotten mine yet, im sure it will take forever and a day, but I was thinking of making a image with cool radio tools.
[20:27] <Thorn_> like a phillips screwdriver?
[20:28] <FZombie> zompocalypse? no. Fun with radios just runs in the family
[20:28] <tpresence> using gnuradio?
[20:28] <BenO> FZombie, A few people have mentioned it - it can run fldigi with a USB soundcard
[20:28] <wcchandler> I was making a joke on your name ;)
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[20:28] <wcchandler> giggsey: any luck?
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[20:28] <giggsey> seems a bit hit and miss to boot atm :(
[20:29] <FZombie> Its a way to learn electronics and have qso's with people around the planet. These days many hams got their licence because they think all communications will go down in 2012 haha.
[20:29] <danieldaniel> I'm making a wood mount
[20:29] <danieldaniel> Anyone know of a really small LCD screen?
[20:29] <danieldaniel> Preferably RCA?
[20:29] <FZombie> conspirasy crazies drop out of the community quick
[20:29] <wcchandler> giggsey: might need a delay
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[20:30] <danieldaniel> omg http://www.logicsupply.com/products/702led_w?gclid=COLT15OLya8CFUbe4AodD3xGYw
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[20:32] <wcchandler> woot!! info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
[20:32] <wcchandler> gettin' there
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[20:33] <FZombie> I'm sure I'll have a amateur radio image pre-loaded and configured to work as repeater control, cw tools, software defined radio, or any other task needed.
[20:33] <Cheery> if I have a raspberry image.. and I'd like to look inside it.. how could I mount it?
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[20:34] <FZombie> are you in linux, win, mac, what?
[20:34] <Hexxeh> Cheery: i have a good guide for that, sec
[20:34] <Cheery> linux
[20:34] <Hexxeh> Cheery: http://madduck.net/blog/2006.10.20:loop-mounting-partitions-from-a-disk-image/
[20:34] <FZombie> so it will be a simple loopback
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[20:34] <FZombie> beat me to the punch
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[20:35] <wcchandler> again, Hexxeh delivers :(
[20:35] * FZombie golf claps
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[20:35] <Hexxeh> no, no
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[20:35] <Cheery> Hexxeh: huh.. there's W95 FAT32 sector in here.. :o
[20:35] <Hexxeh> mr tran delivers
[20:36] <Hexxeh> dr tran, even
[20:36] <giggsey> wcchandler: any idea how I'd add the delay?
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[20:36] <BenO> Cheery, that's the boot sector I'd wager
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[20:38] <wcchandler> i think in the cmdline.txt file... I can't find the page that I saw it at
[20:38] <giggsey> k
[20:38] <Cheery> BenO: I got what I wanted straight out then. :)
[20:38] <giggsey> I have rootwait in there already
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[20:39] <Cheery> debian6-17-02-2012 seems to contain bit of swapspace as well.. it's seriously required?
[20:39] <passstab> i love it when that happens
[20:40] <Hexxeh> i don't think it's enabled by default?
[20:40] <passstab> that is a good question
[20:40] <Hexxeh> at least, swappiness is set to 0
[20:40] <Cheery> 95 megabytes
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[20:40] <Cheery> not much though
[20:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, yeah, commented out in fstab in at least the 13/04 image
[20:41] <wcchandler> Cheery: it's not on by default... sd cards don't really like continuous reads/writes ;)
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[20:42] <wcchandler> giggsey: yeah I see that in the doc you posted... hmm...
[20:42] <Cheery> wcchandler: that's why I wondered it..
[20:42] <giggsey> wcchandler: removing the boot.rc change for ssh had no change. So I'm reflashing my sdcard, and will try again after dinner
[20:42] <giggsey> bbiab
[20:43] <tpresence> you have to do update-rc.d
[20:43] <Cheery> if I rm -rf a directory which has a mount.. does it just umount it or destroy it's contents?
[20:43] <wcchandler> destroy
[20:43] <wcchandler> might complain first though
[20:45] <Hexxeh> it'll complain and delete it's contents
[20:45] <Cheery> the boot sector (first 0x200 bytes) seems to end up to 0x55, 0xAA
[20:46] <Cheery> I don't remember their meaning.. but they stated it's bootable disk?
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[20:47] <Cheery> ah right. wikipedia tells about this.
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[20:49] <Cheery> according to wikipedia.. it's the boot sector signature of IBM PC compatible hard disk.
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[20:49] <Cheery> is it there for a reason?
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[21:15] <Cheery> I have to find better way to look at hexdumps.. bvi is slow. :/
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[21:16] <tpresence> hexedit :D
[21:18] <giggsey> hmm, flashed my sdcard back to default, and doesn't appear to be booting
[21:19] <BenO> giggsey, are you having intermittent/random chances of booting successfully?
[21:19] <giggsey> I was, and might still be
[21:19] <BenO> giggsey, eg sometimes it'll do it, sometimes all you get is the red PWR light?
[21:19] <giggsey> Yeah
[21:19] <BenO> Got any other SD cards to try?
[21:20] <BenO> other makes/models/makers I mean#
[21:20] <giggsey> not afaik
[21:20] <BenO> I might be something to try if you get the chance
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[21:31] <Cheery> hmm..
[21:33] <giggsey> Found another sdcard, giving it a try
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[21:35] <Cheery> separated the head off from debian image
[21:37] <BenO> Cheery, ouch! What are you up to? :)
[21:37] <Cheery> ndisasm dump -b16
[21:39] <BenO> Cheery, Anything here help? https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/mkimage
[21:40] <RITRedbeard> la villa strangiato?
[21:41] <Hexxeh> what are you trying to do Cheery?
[21:42] <BenO> Cheery, everything in /boot is in https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot - the GPU grabs start.elf and loads that to begin the bootstrapping
[21:43] <giggsey> BenO: another sdcard worked fine
[21:43] <Cheery> BenO: I'm just fiddling around.
[21:43] <BenO> giggsey, cool - I had a similar issue
[21:43] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/the-code-in-boot-sector-of-the-debian6-17-02-2012-img#p68307
[21:43] <giggsey> Any hope for the other sdcard?
[21:43] <BenO> giggsey, It's a new one on me though - usually with embedded devices, SD's will either boot or not boot, not randomly boot :)
[21:44] <BenO> Cheery, Ah okay :)
[21:44] <BenO> Cheery, Dig away - interested to see what you find!
[21:45] <BenO> giggsey, as a boot card for the Pi? I wouldn't hold my breath. However, there is likely nothing wrong with the card at all
[21:45] <BenO> giggsey, I swapped one of my semi-booting cards for the one in my 3DS and now both Pi and 3DS work fine :)
[21:46] <giggsey> I think I may have had the lock tab on, not too sure
[21:46] <giggsey> Will check in a few mins :P
[21:46] <Cheery> BenO: I'm about to study the boot partition now though.
[21:47] <Cheery> BenO: I figure it's reasonable to expect that boot sector code is something made by whatever software you use to create the disk partitions.
[21:48] <giggsey> hmm, moved it to what appears to be the locked position, and it boots
[21:48] <giggsey> damn thing
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[21:49] <Cheery> BenO: how much do you know about boot sequence of raspberry?
[21:49] <Cheery> BenO: it's the GPU that is running first?
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[21:53] <BenO> Cheery, as far as I've gathered: power on -> video core (vc) wakes and tries to find 'start.elf' in the first partition (vfat only!) and loads that (2mb?) into it's RAM. It uses that to determine the RAM split between CPU and vc
[21:53] <BenO> arm*_start.elf are just different start.elf's with mem splits
[21:53] <BenO> 224 -> 224Mb for CPU, rest for vc
[21:54] <BenO> 128 -> 50:50 split of the RAM
[21:54] <Cheery> what are the loader.bin bootcode.bin ?
[21:54] <BenO> Not sure how they figure, aside from they do ;)
[21:55] <BenO> Might be included in the sequence I just outlined, might not be
[21:55] <Cheery> looks like they contain lot of cursing
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[21:55] <BenO> lol
[21:56] <Cheery> oh.. only the loader.bin
[21:56] <BenO> the mkimage python script builds the kernel.img from a kernel "Image" and the associated files in that dir
[21:56] <Cheery> bootcode.bin contains 0x200 bytes of zeros.. and lots of Z.
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[21:57] <Cheery> BenO: so I'd better look at that one then.
[21:57] <Cheery> lol. RaspberryPi/bcm2708 1.0.0 in issue.txt
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[21:59] <Cheery> guessing I'm done here.
[21:59] <Cheery> now I should look at that mkimage thing.
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[22:03] <wcchandler> planning another all nighter, let's see how this goes... especially work in ~12 hours
[22:03] <IT_Sean> why are you doing an allnighter before werk?
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[22:04] <wcchandler> raspberry pi's too much fun :P
[22:04] <IT_Sean> wb uen
[22:04] <wcchandler> and nothing big going at work, just mindless tasks
[22:04] <IT_Sean> oops
[22:04] <IT_Sean> wb ukscone
[22:05] <ukscone> copying everything from the laptop to the new computer :)
[22:05] <IT_Sean> awesome
[22:06] <ukscone> hard to remember where i grabbed stuff from :)
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[22:09] <BenO> Huh... I just realised. I haven't seen anyone post snaps of the Pi running nethack...
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[22:12] <BenO> Hexxeh, shirro some extra cflags have helped during the render lines + supersampling: http://pastebin.com/3MLeDeSG
[22:12] <BenO> No speed up for the beginning sequence though, which I think was the case with hardfp
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[22:25] <giggsey> hmm, I can't seem to get it booting via nfs anymore. From the logs on the host, I can see that it's connected, and authenticated (anon), but it won't boot
[22:26] <danieldaniel> anyone have a centos image?
[22:26] <danieldaniel> for raspi?
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[22:30] <Hexxeh> there isn't one danieldaniel
[22:31] <Hexxeh> BenO: looking a bit better
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[22:33] <danieldaniel> :(
[22:33] <Hexxeh> another pi benchmark: http://pastebin.com/uJ7kv6ME
[22:35] <Cheery> cool
[22:35] <Cheery> so..
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[22:35] <Cheery> I still wonder what are those bootcode.bin and loader.bin
[22:35] <Hexxeh> closed source voodoo magic
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> Quite bogus results up to about 65k though
[22:36] <Cheery> but it seems like I'm about done with this.
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[22:36] <Cheery> to roll up your own kernel.. you'll replace kernel.img with an another.
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[22:37] <RITRedbeard> where my homies piless, mkonpack etc
[22:40] <Hydrazine> wow, I chipped of al small corner of my SD-card and now the only device that detects it is the Rpi :(
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[22:41] <BenO> Hexxeh, better yes :) Still looking like a 24hr+ run though
[22:43] <Cheery> the .img contains it's own bootloader.. it seems
[22:43] <Hexxeh> it does yeah
[22:43] <Hexxeh> the first 32k is some boot code external to the kernel
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[22:43] <Cheery> okay.. so I guess I know lot more about it now.
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[22:44] <Cheery> what is the instruction set of this system?
[22:45] <Cheery> well the videocore likely has it's own.
[22:45] <Cheery> but the CPU.
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[22:45] <hotwings> [13:34:23] <Cheery> I still wonder what are those bootcode.bin and loader.bin
[22:45] <hotwings> [13:34:40] <Hexxeh> closed source voodoo magic
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[22:46] <hotwings> maybe someone will reverse-engineer them and release public source :)
[22:46] <Hexxeh> doubtful that anyone has the motivation to
[22:46] <danieldaniel> When I put my uranium to my geiger counter
[22:46] <danieldaniel> it goes crazy
[22:46] <danieldaniel> is that bad?
[22:46] <hotwings> i know Hexxeh. very unlikely to happen but nothing wrong with dreaming
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[22:46] <danieldaniel> and whats this red spot on my arm
[22:46] <hotwings> danieldaniel - no, its expected
[22:47] <hotwings> red spot is herpes
[22:47] <danieldaniel> hotwings: LOL
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[22:48] <hotwings> there is some good news danieldaniel. i think they make medicine for the 'pes these days
[22:48] <wcchandler> following this tut: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3669512/stable/xbmc_build.txt what should be in my ~/rootfs ? shouldn't the contents be akin to the second partition on my sd card?
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[22:48] <danieldaniel> hotwings: /me hides
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[22:50] <hotwings> no need to hide, there are worse things to have then herpes. for example, male boobs or cellulite
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[22:51] <hamitron> hotwings, leave my boobs out of it ;/
[22:51] <danieldaniel> o.o
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[22:52] <hamitron> they just hide and act like ninja
[22:53] <hotwings> hamitron - i dare you to nip slip #raspberry pi
[22:53] <hotwings> hamitron - i dare you to nip slip #raspberrypi
[22:54] <danieldaniel> anyone know why it says that it failed to execute kernel.img?
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[22:54] <danieldaniel> I'm trying to use debian
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[22:54] <hotwings> lol
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[22:55] <Cheery> so.. I'm looking for manuals to ARM1176JZF-S
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[22:58] <danieldaniel> Anyone know why kernel.img won't execute?
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[23:00] <hotwings> Cheery - what do you mean by manual exactly
[23:00] <hotwings> data sheet?
[23:00] <hotwings> technical reference?
[23:00] <hotwings> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[23:00] <danieldaniel> Does anyone have ANY other linux that isn't listed on the downloads page?
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[23:02] <lingab> /quit
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[23:04] <Cheery> hotwings: thank you
[23:04] <Cheery> I think I'll also download a generic manual that relates to them
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[23:08] <wcchandler> If I'm looking to do an NFS boot, all I'd need is the boot partition, right? and even then only need some files
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[23:09] <Cheery> hmm.. so. it's about like that
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[23:12] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: technically
[23:13] <{p120d16y}> Is it going to be well over another month before I can get a pi if I haven't been able to preorder, ya think?
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Unless you do the ebay thing.
[23:14] <SpeedEvil> Or the breaking and entering thing.
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[23:14] <{p120d16y}> I saw them well over $100 on eBay, I swear the night it came out I tried to order but couldn'
[23:14] <{p120d16y}> even get through
[23:15] <{p120d16y}> that sucks
[23:16] <danieldaniel> yeah, the website went down
[23:16] <danieldaniel> iirc
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> wobsites.
[23:16] <danieldaniel> yeah
[23:16] <danieldaniel> s/website/websites
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[23:18] <philh> wow, they really are popular on ebay
[23:18] <{p120d16y}> As long as I can buy at least one or two by the first week of June I'll be happy enough
[23:18] <danieldaniel> philh: Those idiots are selling them
[23:18] <philh> those idiots?
[23:18] <{p120d16y}> yeah
[23:18] <danieldaniel> why not keep it?
[23:19] <{p120d16y}> I saw one go for nearly $200 last week!
[23:19] <danieldaniel> Also, trying to make money off of it
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> Hardly - there are two on ebay.
[23:19] <philh> because a bunch of far bigger idiots are willing to pay ?150+?
[23:19] <{p120d16y}> That is just stupid, wait a month or two
[23:19] <danieldaniel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-/251045119150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3a737484ae#ht_500wt_1413
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> And 150 could be a good price, if you're doing dev work on hw and want to sell it
[23:19] <{p120d16y}> three days ago I saw about 11-15 just about sold
[23:20] <{p120d16y}> one at $135, one at $175 with a few hours remaining
[23:20] <wcchandler> if I didn't have one my employer would comp me $200 for testing
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[23:24] <philh> {p120d16y}, take a look at completed listings, some have gone for more than ?250
[23:24] <{p120d16y}> wow, looking now actually
[23:25] <Cheery> the .img bootloader instructions in the top seem to be just normal arithmetic/branch instructions
[23:25] <{p120d16y}> I just really hope they don't have an extreme shortage when they start distributing again
[23:26] <philh> heh, nice case http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Cover-/120900436212?pt=UK_AudioElectronicsVideo_Video_TelevisionSetTopBoxes&hash=item1c263a40f4#ht_1153wt_1398
[23:26] <danieldaniel> yeah
[23:26] <philh> {p120d16y}, you mean so that they just release batches to feed the ebay market? it is a worry, but surely we'll run out of excitable bid-happy idiots at some point
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[23:28] <BenO> {p120d16y}, philh the first batch was only 10k as a bootstrapping, based on initial investment (AFAIK) - I think they've ramped up to full production now, based on orders received.
[23:28] <{p120d16y}> I hope, it just seemed like a very small batch last time, I haven't seen numbers but I hope to see actual production
[23:28] <BenO> I still think they are making a loss or are just making back costs on the sales atm though
[23:28] <{p120d16y}> 500k
[23:29] <{p120d16y}> 1.5-2 million units
[23:29] <wcchandler> BenO: that was my understanding, it was costs+admin fees
[23:30] <zgreg> wow, this cover looks REALLY neat
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[23:30] <wcchandler> if they made 10k and it costs them $35 to make, someone invested $350,000
[23:30] <wcchandler> that's a lot of money
[23:30] <zgreg> wcchandler: hopefully it costs less than that :)
[23:31] <BenO> wcchandler, there was a point where they were thinking about asking potential devs to chip in for the component costs, but in the end, they got enough startup funding for the first 10k
[23:31] <wcchandler> i'm assuming so since the price difference between a and b was $10 for an ethernet port... which probably only cost $0.15
[23:31] <BenO> wcchandler, It's that second chip - does the extra USB port + Ethernet
[23:32] <wcchandler> ohh.. no usb either?
[23:32] <zgreg> also, the ethernet connector likely is pretty expensive
[23:32] <BenO> One USB from the SoC as I understand it
[23:32] <wcchandler> ahh
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[23:33] <philh> if the claims are anywhere near accurate that's really quite neat http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solar-and-Battery-pack-Raspberry-Pi-/290701783426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43af2d3182#ht_500wt_1413
[23:34] <BenO> It's not quite enough current unfortunately
[23:34] <{p120d16y}> I'm just assuming from the trend that they are about to blow up. so I tend to think big funding will creep out of the woodwork
[23:34] <BenO> It idles with just keyboard and SD at 310-340mA
[23:35] <BenO> A quick apt-get install can push it to 400mA easy
[23:35] <zgreg> the pi is not made for efficiency
[23:35] <BenO> indeed
[23:36] <zgreg> power regulation is implemented as cheap as possible, not as good as possible :)
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Did a_c_r_ report on the dropout voltage of the Pi?
[23:36] <Dagger2> wcchandler: the ethernet jack has integrated magnetics and is thus surprisingly expensive... e.g. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8534
[23:36] <a_c_r_> not yet
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[23:36] <SpeedEvil> a_c_r_: idly wondering. :)
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[23:36] <a_c_r_> I suppose I could do that now... I'm kinda in my Sunday afternoon barely awake mode
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> - swapped out the PSU on my DSL modems.
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[23:37] <SpeedEvil> a_c_r_: I would not advocate doing that - varying voltages on hardware you want to keep is something to do when awake.
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[23:41] <a_c_r_> haha
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[23:51] <danieldaniel> are there any other oss besides the one on the site?
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[23:52] <danieldaniel> anyone? :(
[23:53] <wcchandler> you mean like OS images? or just software in general?
[23:53] <danieldaniel> os images
[23:53] <passstab> the xbmc ones
[23:53] <passstab> why are you asking?
[23:53] <wcchandler> I heard rumors of gentoo
[23:53] <danieldaniel> i need a new one
[23:53] <danieldaniel> none of the ones on the site work for me
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[23:54] <wcchandler> ermm..
[23:54] <danieldaniel> like
[23:54] <danieldaniel> They work
[23:54] <danieldaniel> It's not what I need
[23:54] <danieldaniel> hence "for me"
[23:54] <passstab> what is that?
[23:54] <wcchandler> so take debian and make it what you want?
[23:54] <danieldaniel> passstab: tab?
[23:54] <danieldaniel> wcchandler: No, debian gets a kernel panic
[23:54] <danieldaniel> the other ones work
[23:54] <passstab> ?
[23:55] <danieldaniel> it says unable to execute kernel.img
[23:55] <passstab> what is "for you"?
[23:55] <danieldaniel> I want a gui
[23:55] <danieldaniel> Well, or apt-get
[23:55] <danieldaniel> or a working yum
[23:55] <wcchandler> sounds like an sd card issue possibly?
[23:55] <wcchandler> if *all* of them fail
[23:55] <danieldaniel> wcchandler: Lemme try another one
[23:55] <danieldaniel> no
[23:56] <danieldaniel> fedora works
[23:56] <danieldaniel> but the GUI doesn't
[23:56] <passstab> what is the problem with the ones on the site?
[23:56] <danieldaniel> passstab: I want debian
[23:56] <danieldaniel> debian doesn't run
[23:56] <passstab> testing or stable?
[23:56] <danieldaniel> squeeze
[23:56] <danieldaniel> the one on the site
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[23:57] <wcchandler> 6-19-2012 image?
[23:57] <danieldaniel> no, 19-04
[23:57] <wcchandler> ha
[23:57] <wcchandler> yeah, woops
[23:58] <wcchandler> hm
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[23:58] <danieldaniel> i was just gonna say
[23:58] <wcchandler> i got a flux capicator with my raspberry pi
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[23:59] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/prepare-system-programmers#p68344
[23:59] <tpresence> 19-04 works for me
[23:59] <Cheery> hmm.. I figure out I finally realised a really cool way to approach this. :)
[23:59] <passstab> danieldaniel, you could try the debian base install i made
[23:59] <danieldaniel> passstab: Where?
[23:59] <danieldaniel> I want now!

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