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IRC Log for 2012-04-24

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[0:05] <danieldaniel> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO/
[0:07] <cjbaird> neat. I'm hoping for SPI, I2C in the future, though. :)
[0:08] * danieldaniel shines UV light on uranium glass and smiles
[0:08] <BenO> That module wraps "echo 1 > /....GPIO" with some python methods
[0:08] <BenO> echo $a anyway
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[0:09] <Caver> yeah it still does exactly that, but it's much easier to program things that way
[0:09] <Caver> what would be great would be if you could have it make an interupt when a input say go's high
[0:09] <danieldaniel> so that works by sending it from a computer
[0:10] <danieldaniel> and receiving it with a program on the RasPi?
[0:10] <danieldaniel> Have both running?
[0:10] <Caver> the python library?
[0:10] <cjbaird> Really needs Blob support... Even the kernel treats GPIO as dumb-pins..
[0:10] <BenO> cjbaird, yeah
[0:10] <BenO> cjbaird, but AFAIK only one of the pins can do PWM
[0:11] <Caver> yeah .. on that score - does anyone know if you can download the software gert made for his little demo of the gertboard?
[0:12] <Caver> as that did PWM and I'd love to get that going
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[0:16] <cjbaird> I'm imagining all the stuff is there-- it would be very unusual for a contemporary cpu not to have a USART feature, where all the wire-level protocols can be configured in 'hardware'..
[0:16] <BenO> cjbaird I don't know - I haven't looked into that yet :)
[0:18] <Caver> sure ... /dev/ttyAMA0 http://www.irrational.net/2012/04/19/using-the-raspberry-pis-serial-port/
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[0:20] <BenO> Ooo interesting - wonder if you can drive the arduino flasher with taht
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[0:20] <BenO> atmel*
[0:21] <ReggieUK> no reason why not
[0:21] <Caver> well as long as the voltage levels are the same - yes
[0:22] <ReggieUK> it's not like there's anything special going in and then you'd just need some level conversion for voltages but nothing spectacular needed
[0:22] <BenO> Hmm I've got a till printer that I was driving with serial...
[0:22] <ReggieUK> breadboardable :D
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[0:32] <danieldaniel> yay
[0:32] <danieldaniel> A reinstall fixed the yum error
[0:32] <danieldaniel> :D
[0:32] <ajtag> http://twitgoo.com/5pjs4x?cx=u is kernel messages fron ttyAMA0
[0:33] <ajtag> after than
[0:33] <danieldaniel> anyone think radioshack will have a GPIO cable?
[0:33] <danieldaniel> Like, to USB?
[0:33] <Caver> do you mean the serial to USB connecting to the gpio header?
[0:34] <ajtag> that you can fire any data into that device and it will come out of the tx pin
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[0:34] <danieldaniel> Caver: Yeah
[0:34] <danieldaniel> I am a noob with this stuff :)
[0:34] <danieldaniel> I want to have some fun with it
[0:34] <ajtag> 26way ide cable and a ftdi adapter did me
[0:34] <danieldaniel>
[0:34] <danieldaniel> ajtag: Radioshack have those?
[0:34] <danieldaniel> does
[0:34] <ajtag> erm
[0:35] <ajtag> hang on
[0:35] <Caver> their website doesn't list anything for ftdi
[0:35] <danieldaniel> Caver: D:
[0:37] <danieldaniel> hmm
[0:37] <danieldaniel> where else?
[0:37] <ajtag> http://uk.farnell.com/ftdi/um232r/evaluation-kit-usb-uart-ttl-ft232rl/dp/1146036
[0:37] <danieldaniel> I want to go in-person
[0:38] <ajtag> is what i use
[0:38] <danieldaniel> i would, but I have cash :(
[0:38] <Caver> do you have newark near you?
[0:38] <danieldaniel> Caver: Im in the US
[0:38] <ajtag> in america
[0:39] <ajtag> ravenswood i think?
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[0:39] * ajtag has noidea where that is
[0:39] <Caver> I thought newark was one of the Pi distributers in USA
[0:39] <ajtag> yeah it is
[0:39] <BenO> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAX232 is also quite handy to link rs232 and TTL
[0:39] <danieldaniel> hmm
[0:39] <danieldaniel> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM2422249502P?sid=IDx20070921x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=SPM2422249502
[0:39] <danieldaniel> is that what I neeed?
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[0:39] <danieldaniel> need*
[0:39] <danieldaniel> oh, not in stores
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[0:47] <danieldaniel> hmm
[0:47] <danieldaniel> I have some in my old PC
[0:47] <danieldaniel> but they are attached to the PC
[0:47] <danieldaniel> if I cut them
[0:48] <danieldaniel> Would there be any way to use them? XD
[0:48] <ajtag> ide?
[0:48] <Caver> the plug ought to fit onto the headders
[0:48] <ajtag> yeah
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[0:49] <ajtag> i built a cable to fit the pins but a 80 pin connector will fit
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[0:49] <danieldaniel> ajtag: no, GPIO
[0:49] <danieldaniel> i have an IDE too
[0:49] <danieldaniel> Like
[0:49] <danieldaniel> Its a small thing that a pin would fit into
[0:50] <danieldaniel> if I cut it, could I somehow still use it?
[0:50] <ajtag> im guessing this a cable of some sort?
[0:50] <Caver> a ide cable can just be plugged into the GPIO pins
[0:50] <Caver> then the other end you can cut off
[0:51] <Caver> obviously only some of the pins will engage, but that is ok
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[0:51] <danieldaniel> what?
[0:51] <ajtag> i would suggest just plug in some wires to save sacrificing a ide cable
[0:51] <danieldaniel> well, I cut one
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[0:51] <danieldaniel> one end has a black thing with two holes
[0:51] <danieldaniel> the pins fit
[0:51] <danieldaniel> and the other end is a wire
[0:51] <Caver> remember the pi gpio is pins, not a socket
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[0:52] <ajtag> by the the otherend if you want to get that into a breadboard wires into bb and into the female free ide connector
[0:52] <ajtag> gah
[0:53] <danieldaniel> what?
[0:53] <ajtag> im missing half a sentence
[0:53] <danieldaniel> yeah
[0:53] <danieldaniel> I was just gonna say
[0:53] <ajtag> so you have a cable plugged into the pins on the pi.
[0:53] <danieldaniel> yeah
[0:53] <danieldaniel> and the other end is a free wier
[0:53] <danieldaniel> wire*
[0:53] <danieldaniel> \
[0:54] <Caver> yes you can strip the wire and plug it into a breadboard
[0:54] <danieldaniel> ok
[0:54] <danieldaniel> And those I can get at radioshack
[0:55] <ajtag> at the otherend of the cable you can cut the old connector off and use the wires to connect to something. or if you have some solid core wire, plug that into the holes on the old connector
[0:55] <Matt> I wonder, if you stick a copper wire and a zinc wire into a lemon meringue pie, if you'd generate a current :)
[0:55] <ajtag> yes
[0:55] <hamitron> depends how long it takes to eat the pie
[0:55] <hamitron> ;)
[0:56] <danieldaniel> lol
[0:56] * ajtag wonders haw many people have put custard on their raspberry pi
[0:56] * Caver wants some of what your smoking
[0:56] <danieldaniel> lol
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[0:56] <ajtag> or even if it could be powered by a custard battery
[0:56] <danieldaniel> well imma try and go to radioshackl
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[0:56] <danieldaniel> brb
[0:57] <hamitron> most people cut a pie into slices :/
[0:57] <hamitron> just greedy having a full one
[0:58] <Caver> arse ... knew I should have made my linux partition bigger - back after a gparted resize!
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[0:58] <danieldaniel> ok
[0:58] <danieldaniel> so What do I need to get at radioshack
[0:58] * ajtag wanders who ate all the pi's?
[0:58] <BenO> Mwhahaha my microprinter is alive again!
[0:58] <danieldaniel> I need a breadboard
[0:58] <danieldaniel> an IDE cable
[0:59] <danieldaniel> is that it?
[0:59] <ajtag> danieldaniel: what do you want to do?
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[0:59] <danieldaniel> attach the pins to a USB
[0:59] <danieldaniel> and put the USB into my computer
[0:59] <danieldaniel> and be able to interact with them
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[0:59] * shirro wonders how to get a 3v3 serial convertor to the middle of nowhere before tomorrows publc holiday
[0:59] <hamitron> no need for a breadboard then
[1:00] <danieldaniel> hamitron: I'm really confused!
[1:00] <danieldaniel> What do I need?
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[1:01] <hamitron> I dunno, but no need for a breadboard, unless you are wanting to build a circuit onto it
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[1:01] <danieldaniel> I'll get it anyways
[1:01] <danieldaniel> just incase I need it
[1:01] <hamitron> well, they are good to have anyway
[1:01] <danieldaniel> but how to do IDE to USB?
[1:01] <hamitron> :)
[1:01] <ajtag> all the gpio pins? or just serial
[1:01] <danieldaniel> ajtag: I want to be able to use http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO/
[1:02] <BenO> danieldaniel, the block of pins are not all one connector
[1:02] <ajtag> ok,
[1:02] <BenO> danieldaniel, it's just that they are all grouped together there - GPIO, Serial, SPI, i2c
[1:02] <danieldaniel> ok
[1:02] <danieldaniel> then GPIO
[1:02] * ajtag wonders if it isnt just easier to suggest using an ethernet cable
[1:02] <danieldaniel> No
[1:02] <danieldaniel> I want to use this
[1:03] <danieldaniel> just to be able to use it
[1:03] <danieldaniel> I could use an ethernet cable, but that wouldn't be too fun, now would it?
[1:03] <BenO> danieldaniel, GPIO pins can be used to detect or provide a current
[1:03] <BenO> often being off or on
[1:03] <danieldaniel> :(
[1:03] <danieldaniel> Then what do I need to send strings?
[1:03] <BenO> Much like the pins along the arduino
[1:03] <danieldaniel> Serial?
[1:03] <ajtag> yes
[1:03] <BenO> serial is the one straightforward way to chat like that
[1:04] <danieldaniel> ok
[1:04] <danieldaniel> Then serial
[1:04] <danieldaniel> How to do that?
[1:04] <BenO> danieldaniel, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[1:04] <hamitron> nokia usb cable? :D
[1:04] <BenO> see the yellow Tx and Rx pins indicated here
[1:04] <danieldaniel> what do I need though?
[1:04] * ajtag hands the explaining stick to BenO
[1:04] <danieldaniel> BenO: Thanks!
[1:04] <danieldaniel> I'm going to radioshack now
[1:04] <danieldaniel> what do I need?
[1:05] <BenO> danieldaniel, you need to connect to those. A USB 'FTDI' connector is suitable for your purposes I think
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[1:05] <danieldaniel> i can't get those at radioshack
[1:05] <BenO> danieldaniel, I haven't walked into a store to buy electronics in many years - most of the decent stuff is online purchase really
[1:06] <danieldaniel> :(
[1:06] <danieldaniel> Could I use an IDE cable?
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[1:06] <BenO> adafruit is a good site for diy hacking and things in the US, as is the MakerShed - although you can find cheaper than that if you look
[1:06] <IT_Sean> you are not goin to get all fo what you need at radiohack
[1:06] <danieldaniel> and use a USB adapter?
[1:06] <ajtag> thats just a easy way to get some wire
[1:06] <BenO> danieldaniel, The IDE cable is just to make it easier to access the pins
[1:06] <danieldaniel> oh
[1:06] <IT_Sean> there is not some magical "just plug it in and it works" solution. You will have to get your hads dirty.
[1:07] * hamitron guesses an IDE cable and nokia usb cable is easiest
[1:07] <hamitron> maybe
[1:07] <hamitron> ;)
[1:07] <hamitron> but as IT_Sean says, means getting dirrrrrrty
[1:07] <danieldaniel> so should I get an IDE cable?
[1:08] <danieldaniel> And what is the nokia usb cable?
[1:08] <hamitron> nokia usb cable has FTDI in it, iirc
[1:08] <danieldaniel> ok
[1:08] <hamitron> but I've not done a lot of this
[1:08] <danieldaniel> So I should get nokia usb and ide
[1:08] <danieldaniel> i will bbl
[1:08] <hamitron> if I were you
[1:08] <hamitron> I'd wait till someone does a tutorial
[1:09] <BenO> Christ, I've forgotten how much fun printers are :)
[1:09] <BenO> http://microprinter.pbworks.com/w/page/20867146/FrontPage These, not the A4 kind
[1:10] <danieldaniel> actually, not going for a few mins
[1:10] <ajtag> you need something to read serial at 3.3v thats going to connect to your usb port. you also need some way to connect that device to your pi
[1:10] <ajtag> BenO: they rock
[1:11] <hamitron> actually, isn't there a cable the arduino uses?
[1:11] * hamitron never used one
[1:11] <ajtag> 5v levels there
[1:11] <shirro> hamitron: I might even be able to get a nokia usb cable. Are there any other "consumer" devices with level shifters built into the cable that anyone can think of until I can order the real deal.
[1:12] <hamitron> just check it is right shirro, first
[1:12] <shirro> yes, I would
[1:12] <CcSsNET> shirro: its possible to make ur own
[1:12] <ajtag> you might be able to crack open a usb to serial but i wouldnt bank on it
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[1:13] <shirro> I know. I have to order parts online though where I live. And there is a public holiday tomorrow and I may get a Pi today
[1:13] <CcSsNET> although if you have no electronics experience i dont suggest it
[1:13] <danieldaniel> i just realized something
[1:13] <danieldaniel> I threw out a nokia cable a week ago
[1:13] <danieldaniel> "I'll never need this."
[1:13] <IT_Sean> oops
[1:13] <hamitron> hehe
[1:13] <Hydrazine> ouch
[1:13] <danieldaniel> Literally
[1:14] <hamitron> they are only a quid off ebay
[1:14] <danieldaniel> I was cleaning out this box of wires
[1:14] <danieldaniel> XD
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[1:14] <danieldaniel> I'm too impatient!
[1:14] <danieldaniel> :D
[1:14] <hamitron> my ngage uses it
[1:14] <hamitron> :)
[1:15] <shirro> I probably have a dozen things in the garage that will work with ttl levels :-(
[1:15] <danieldaniel> which cable is it? The thin rectangle one?
[1:16] <hamitron> tbh
[1:16] <IT_Sean> http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/2012/tetris/
[1:16] <IT_Sean> ^ badass
[1:16] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: LOL
[1:17] <hamitron> I think I'd just order everything needed, from a store that sells stuff for arduino
[1:17] <danieldaniel> thats cool!
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[1:17] <shirro> looks like I may have to be patient.
[1:18] <hamitron> can't you just use a serial port on ya pc?
[1:18] <danieldaniel> hamitron: I have a mac
[1:18] <hamitron> your own fault ;)
[1:18] <danieldaniel> Ik!
[1:18] <danieldaniel> It seemed all fancy when I bought it
[1:18] <danieldaniel> and then I realized macs sux
[1:19] <IT_Sean> easy there danieldaniel.
[1:19] <hamitron> tbh, macs rock imo
[1:19] <IT_Sean> Let's not turn this into a Macs vs PC debate
[1:19] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: Lol
[1:19] <hamitron> just too tight with my cash to get one ;)
[1:19] * danieldaniel rants and rages
[1:19] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: /troll on
[1:19] <danieldaniel> Macs are personal computers
[1:19] <danieldaniel> /troll off
[1:20] <hamitron> hmmm
[1:20] <hamitron> does a PC fail to be a PC, if you share?
[1:20] <cjbaird> I recall the Chaos Computer Club (.de) did the Tetris building thing some years ago...
[1:20] <danieldaniel> lol
[1:20] <ajtag> there was something in rotterdam a while back i think
[1:20] <ajtag> wasnt tetris tho
[1:21] <danieldaniel> you know what
[1:21] <danieldaniel> someone give me a link to an arduino store
[1:21] <danieldaniel> I give up D:
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[1:23] * danieldaniel realizes that google would work too
[1:24] <hamitron> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/
[1:24] <hamitron> ;)
[1:25] <danieldaniel> i went onto newark :)
[1:25] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel, http://bit.ly/v1HSsD
[1:25] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: I was asking for it
[1:25] <danieldaniel> I know
[1:25] <BenO> ajtag, I've just altered cmdline to output at the right speed for the printer... let's see what happens...
[1:25] <hamitron> I had to pick somewhere you maybe got the r-pi from for badness ofc :)
[1:25] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel, yup.
[1:26] <BenO> OMG!!!!
[1:26] <danieldaniel> o.o
[1:26] <danieldaniel> BenO: wut
[1:26] <danieldaniel> BenO: It blew up?
[1:27] <danieldaniel> is this what I need?
[1:27] <danieldaniel> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/communication-misc/6988993/
[1:27] <BenO> Nope :)
[1:27] <danieldaniel> aww
[1:27] <danieldaniel> sorry that Im such a n00bz0rz at this
[1:28] <IT_Sean> Aaaand i was sympathetic to your plight right up until you whipped out the "leetspeak"
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[1:29] <BenO> https://twitter.com/#!/benosteen/status/194568221364457472
[1:29] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: :)
[1:29] <danieldaniel> BenO: That's REALLY cool
[1:29] <danieldaniel> although a waste of paper :D
[1:29] <IT_Sean> BenO: Awesome!
[1:30] <BenO> danieldaniel, see how the ide/floppy cable connector is being used? just as a connector
[1:30] <danieldaniel> yeah
[1:30] <Hydrazine> awesome BenO
[1:30] <BenO> thx :)
[1:30] <danieldaniel> I wish I had a microprinter
[1:30] <danieldaniel> :(
[1:30] <ajtag> BenO: might be worth disconnecting during boot
[1:30] <IT_Sean> Now... BenO, can you make it print out the weather forecast and top trending news headlines once per day, and 6.22am?
[1:30] <danieldaniel> lol
[1:30] <IT_Sean> *at
[1:30] <BenO> ajtag, heh,yeah - it's about 1m+ of paper already!
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[1:31] <BenO> IT_Sean, Did that last year - it printed my tweetfeed ;)
[1:31] <BenO> Oh and some MPs expenses ;)
[1:31] <ajtag> lol
[1:31] <BenO> Now I can do that directly, without using FTDI or an arduino - this is excellent
[1:31] <BenO> worth the price of a Pi alone :)
[1:32] * IT_Sean would totally rock a device that would spit out a weather forecast & some other boscure but useful information exactly two minutes after his alarm clock went off, without human intervention. :p
[1:32] <IT_Sean> *obscure
[1:32] <BenO> IT_Sean, This was the great grandaddy idea that sparked all the microprinter stuff offhttp://berglondon.com/blog/2006/10/06/my-printer-my-social-letterbox/
[1:33] <Hydrazine> your rpi could be your alarm clock :P
[1:33] <BenO> http://berglondon.com/blog/2006/10/06/my-printer-my-social-letterbox/*
[1:33] <BenO> http://berglondon.com/blog/2006/10/06/my-printer-my-social-letterbox/
[1:33] <BenO> Hydrazine, hell yeah - alarm call by a thousand paper cuts ;)
[1:33] <Hydrazine> xD
[1:33] <danieldaniel> lol
[1:33] <BenO> I wonder if I can use it while it's being claimed by the kernel logger...
[1:34] <shirro> And thousands of point of sale suppliers ran away screaming in horror at their $35 challenger
[1:34] <danieldaniel> BenO: What did you use for that/
[1:34] <danieldaniel> just wondering
[1:35] <BenO> The printer doesn't talk 3.3v serial (RS232) - it talks at TTL voltages
[1:35] <ajtag> BenO: you need sudo apt-get install cowsay
[1:35] <BenO> I used a MAX232N chip to sit between the two to 'equalise' the voltages, for the want of a better word
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[1:36] <BenO> ajtag, I actually need to get python's PIL
[1:36] <BenO> I was bit-banging images on it last year ;)
[1:36] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/#!/SpaceX/status/194546286064705536 - anyone good at physics sims?
[1:36] <ajtag> ohh
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[1:37] <BenO> ajtag, see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/mar/01/mps-expenses-receipts
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[1:37] * ajtag has images of it printing ascii-fied webcam at 2frames/min
[1:38] <BenO> ajtag, They are great fun :)
[1:38] <BenO> ajtag, although ebay prices vary wildly
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[1:39] * Hydrazine now wants a receipt printer
[1:39] <ajtag> nicely done
[1:39] <ajtag> is it thermal?
[1:39] <BenO> thanks, and yep thermal
[1:39] * SpeedEvil ponders an array of 100 fast laser printers, a seriously fast collater machine, to make live auto-flipbooks at 30fps
[1:40] * ajtag has a dotmatrix style one but always wanted to play with a thermal one
[1:40] <cjbaird> The Russians did the 'first computer-generated movie' like that..
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> I saw that, yes.
[1:41] <cjbaird> (well, the printout-flipbook method..)
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning something that could actually do live realtime TV, for example.
[1:41] <ajtag> SpeedEvil: just add a strobe at the currect frequency
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> just delayed by 15s
[1:41] <Hydrazine> http://www.theverge.com/2011/06/19/receipt-printer-racing-game-pure-nerd-magic/
[1:42] <BenO> Sweet :)
[1:42] <BenO> Anyone know of a decent Raspi logo?
[1:42] <BenO> minus borders and things
[1:42] <BenO> nvm
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[1:43] <ajtag> am going for a slightly less wasteful version
[1:43] <ajtag> http://twitgoo.com/5plzcp
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[1:55] <danieldaniel> Hydrazine: that printer thing is cool
[1:57] <danieldaniel> delayed response
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> I once tried playing MUD on my printer.
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> - my screen broke - I was addicted
[1:58] <Hydrazine> hehe
[1:58] <IT_Sean> heh
[1:59] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[1:59] * IT_Sean just had a potentially awesome idea
[1:59] <danieldaniel> wut
[1:59] * IT_Sean is pretty sure it is fairly awesome
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[1:59] <danieldaniel> wut
[2:00] * IT_Sean will just say that it involves a raspberrypi, an internet connection, IRC, and a line feed, fanfold printer.
[2:00] <danieldaniel> oh
[2:00] <danieldaniel> that would be cool
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Does it involve a duck, eighteen cucumbers, and a parrot trained to sing Rule Britania?
[2:00] <danieldaniel> print out IRC?
[2:00] <danieldaniel> SpeedEvil: XD
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[2:00] <cjbaird> I used to have a DEC LA36 lineprinter..
[2:00] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil, No to everything except the duck.
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[2:00] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: 0.0
[2:00] <danieldaniel> 0.0 0.0 0.0
[2:01] <sioux> can i use raspberry pi as thin client?
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> sioux: yes
[2:01] * BenO tip of the day: blog all the details about what you did, as you won't remember how you did it years later!
[2:01] <IT_Sean> sioux, how thin?
[2:01] <IT_Sean> it's less than an inch thick, so, i'd say yes.
[2:01] * IT_Sean hides
[2:01] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:01] <sioux> SpeedEvil: where can i buy ?
[2:01] <danieldaniel> LOL
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> You can;'t.
[2:02] <IT_Sean> sioux, you can preorder at either of the two suppliers on the raspi website
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> Well - that.
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> But not for quick delivery.
[2:02] <IT_Sean> well, he can preorder. It'll just take a really long time to arrive
[2:03] <sioux> raspberry pi wasnt arrive?
[2:03] <Caver> ebay for a small fortune?
[2:03] <IT_Sean> the first batch is shipping
[2:03] <danieldaniel> sioux: Mine for $1500
[2:03] <IT_Sean> the preorder list for subsequent batches is miles long
[2:03] <danieldaniel> :3
[2:03] <ajtag> there are more orders than pis at the moment
[2:03] <Hydrazine> 350K orders iirc
[2:03] * IT_Sean offers danieldaniel 1500 pesos
[2:03] <Hydrazine> and only 10K made
[2:03] <danieldaniel> If you really do offer $1500 I probably will sell it
[2:04] <sioux> :O
[2:04] <ajtag> and thats limiting them to 1 per person too
[2:04] <sioux> raspberry pi cost $35?
[2:04] <danieldaniel> sioux: Thats the point :D
[2:04] <IT_Sean> yes
[2:04] <IT_Sean> $35
[2:04] <danieldaniel> I don't want to sell it
[2:04] <IT_Sean> +shipping
[2:05] <sioux> LOL
[2:05] * micky is now known as msil
[2:05] <sioux> if i pre order, when arrive ?
[2:06] * msil is now known as micky
[2:06] * micky is now known as msil
[2:06] <danieldaniel> sioux: In 3 years
[2:06] <ajtag> you are looking at min 6 weeks i think
[2:06] <sioux> somebody knows another system that i can use as thin client
[2:07] <danieldaniel> ajtag: SSSSSHHHHH
[2:07] <danieldaniel> lets troll him guys
[2:07] <ajtag> t5710
[2:07] <ajtag> hp
[2:07] <sioux> danieldaniel: troll yourself =P
[2:07] <ajtag> i have had good experiences with that
[2:07] <danieldaniel> sioux: :(
[2:07] <danieldaniel> sioux: But I think the first 1000 were supposed to ship by June
[2:07] <ajtag> and $40 ish from ebay
[2:07] <IT_Sean> no trolling the noob.
[2:07] <danieldaniel> and at this point, you are NOT in the first 1000
[2:08] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: Not trollin' anymore
[2:08] <ajtag> but but depends what you want
[2:09] <IT_Sean> sioux, if you were to order today, i would not count on it arriving until late June-ish. Possibly later.
[2:09] <sioux> ajtag: so i will search
[2:09] <sioux> IT_Sean: oh god..hahaha
[2:09] <danieldaniel> sioux: Your only chance to get it soon is ebay
[2:10] <danieldaniel> For about $200
[2:10] <danieldaniel> :P
[2:10] <sioux> ;D
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[2:10] <sioux> i need something more cheap
[2:10] * danieldaniel is cutting some hairs off of his legs with a wire cutter
[2:10] <danieldaniel> OW
[2:11] <BenO> http://yfrog.com/nwaqpujj I've remembered how to do images!
[2:12] <Hydrazine> neat
[2:12] <ajtag> Nicely
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[2:13] <BenO> Hydrazine, ajtag, thanks :) the dithered version of the logo comes out very dark, so did a plain version
[2:13] <danieldaniel> BenO: Where'd you get the printer :(
[2:13] * ajtag is torn between sleep and coding
[2:13] <danieldaniel> http://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/smra6/teh_glowing_uraniumz/
[2:13] <danieldaniel> my post is getting popular
[2:14] <BenO> danieldaniel, ebay - it's an ordinary receipt printer that you'd find in some shops and bars
[2:14] <danieldaniel> BenO: Get me one plox
[2:14] <ajtag> right...
[2:15] <BenO> danieldaniel, http://www.internationalpointofsale.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=469
[2:16] <danieldaniel> buy it for me :(
[2:16] <danieldaniel> ill send you some uranium
[2:16] <IT_Sean> get me one too!
[2:17] * ajtag gets his typing fingers out
[2:17] <BenO> Yeah, yeah - I managed to snag this one on ebay for ?30
[2:18] <BenO> I guess I should blog this before I forget how I did it again...
[2:19] <danieldaniel> BenO: FUUUU
[2:19] <danieldaniel> :)
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[2:27] * danieldaniel thinks he brought some toxic fumes into his house
[2:30] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:32] <danieldaniel> i think i blew something up
[2:32] <danieldaniel> i pushed this top onto something
[2:32] <danieldaniel> and now its beeping
[2:32] <Hydrazine> o.0
[2:32] <danieldaniel> ok, it stopped
[2:34] <IT_Sean> O.o
[2:34] <Hydrazine> famous last words :P
[2:35] <danieldaniel> Whats that blue smoke
[2:35] <danieldaniel> oh crap
[2:35] <danieldaniel> I have to go
[2:36] <danieldaniel> OH S***
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[2:36] <danieldaniel> THE GAS IN THE GARAGE
[2:37] <IT_Sean> ????
[2:37] <Hydrazine> O_O
[2:37] <seanmeir_> hehe
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[2:38] <danieldaniel> http://files.sharenator.com/memes_fire_alarm_goes_off_put_on_headphones_Meme_base_14-s407x405-157715.jpg
[2:38] * ajtag wonders how wise informing IRC your house is burning down around you is
[2:39] <danieldaniel> wait
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[2:39] <danieldaniel> what was that boom
[2:40] <danieldaniel> Oh god, the gas tank in the attic
[2:40] <danieldaniel> now the ceiling is falling
[2:40] <DaQatz> Don't worry about it.
[2:40] * danieldaniel puts on headphones
[2:40] <DaQatz> That's normal when fire alarms are going.
[2:40] <danieldaniel> Ok
[2:40] <danieldaniel> Good
[2:40] * danieldaniel relaxes
[2:41] <danieldaniel> ZOMG
[2:41] <danieldaniel> my computer is buring
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[2:41] <DaQatz> tsk tsk
[2:41] <DaQatz> Use quit not part
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[2:41] <danieldaniel> logged in on my Rpi
[2:42] <danieldaniel> trololo.png
[2:43] <danieldaniel> and if someone posts a fry pic with "not sure if legit" on it
[2:43] <danieldaniel> I will lol
[2:47] <sioux> danieldaniel: are you brazilian?
[2:47] <danieldaniel> no
[2:47] <danieldaniel> why?
[2:47] <sioux> the name..
[2:48] <danieldaniel> :)
[2:48] <danieldaniel> I know like 6 american daniels
[2:48] <sioux> that's ok
[2:51] <danieldaniel> is the SCxxx thing on the back the serial number?
[2:53] <Hydrazine> I think the other line with the manufacturing date in it is part of the serial number
[2:53] <danieldaniel> aww
[2:53] <danieldaniel> I was hoping th SC
[2:53] <danieldaniel> it's SC888
[2:54] <danieldaniel> That would be a cool serial number!
[2:54] <Hydrazine> yeah, mine is too :P
[2:54] <danieldaniel> aww
[2:54] <Hydrazine> my serial number ends with 0116
[2:54] <danieldaniel> mine is 0077
[2:55] <Hydrazine> :(
[2:55] <danieldaniel> :)
[2:55] <danieldaniel> Mine is cooler!
[2:56] <Hydrazine> I hate you now
[2:56] <Hydrazine> :P
[2:56] <danieldaniel> D:
[2:56] <danieldaniel> Why? Is 77 good?
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[2:57] <SpeedEvil> Licence to kill -9
[2:57] <Hydrazine> well, only 115 people below me, I can still laugh at the other 9884 buyers
[2:57] <Hydrazine> I wonder who has #1
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> The first 2000ish all came out of the boot in random order, I guess
[2:57] <Hydrazine> he must feel special
[2:58] <danieldaniel> lol
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[2:58] * SpeedEvil ponders buying a Pi on ebay, faking number 1, and reselling
[2:58] <danieldaniel> LOL
[2:59] <wcchandler> i feel like I'm trying to unscrew a flathead screw with a phillips screwdriver...
[2:59] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[3:02] <CcSsNET> wcchandler: that sounds troublesome
[3:04] <BenO> SpeedEvil, A bit of tippex should do the trick
[3:05] <danieldaniel> http://www.unitednuclear.com/images/mainpics/nerd.gif
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> I somewhere have a sample of a UV stencilmask
[3:05] <danieldaniel> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19268449.jpg
[3:05] <ajtag> they are only numbered from the batch thats started being produced, the early ones didnt have numbers
[3:11] <danieldaniel> mine was 77th??/?
[3:11] <danieldaniel> AWESOME!
[3:13] <ajtag> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PC236530.jpg
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> Is there a part number on D17 - next to the label
[3:18] <BenO> I blogged about the details of the printer <-> Pi UART connection http://t.co/M4KPoHnq
[3:18] <danieldaniel> SpeedEvil: I see that
[3:18] <danieldaniel> not sure
[3:19] <IT_Sean> oooh, hires raspi porn. :p
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[3:25] <ajtag> not on that image
[3:27] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I assumed you had hardware
[3:27] <BenO> Right, time to work out where I need to be tomorrow for a meeting ;)
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> to hand
[3:30] <ajtag> ke1139
[3:30] <ajtag> i thought you meant on the old ones
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> Trying to work out what the surge protection is like
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[3:32] <SpeedEvil> And what'll happen in reality if it's connected to various power sources
[3:34] <BenO> Are there any decent docs on driving the SPI from linux? blog post? code?
[3:35] <ajtag> BenO: planning to test later this week once level shifters arrive
[3:35] * ajtag has 5V hardware to run
[3:35] <BenO> ajtag, heh nice :) I was going to connect up the RTC breakout board I've got. It being 1970 each time I switch it on is getting annoying!
[3:36] <BenO> What are you driving? leds or something experimental?
[3:36] <ajtag> leds, many many leds
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[3:37] <ajtag> that would rock if you get an rtc running
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[3:37] <BenO> I've got one of these connected to a nanode atm http://www.oomlout.co.uk/real-time-clock-kit-p-265.html
[3:37] <BenO> easy SPI interface
[3:37] <ajtag> it is all about ntp at the moment but with no network it is goingt obe a pain
[3:39] <ajtag> from oomlout too,
[3:39] <ajtag> my fave man in halifax
[3:39] <BenO> ajtag, ntp pain exactly - not going to be happening in the places I want to use it
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[3:39] <BenO> ajtag, :) oomlout are nice folk
[3:40] <BenO> I've blown the dust off it, and the nanode clock still works, albeit an hour out
[3:40] <ajtag> they used to be in come to the local hackspace before moving
[3:40] <BenO> ajtag, Cool :)
[3:41] <ajtag> hmmm, how long has that been runngin?
[3:41] <ajtag> since gmt?
[3:42] <BenO> last year some pouint
[3:42] <BenO> point*
[3:42] <BenO> it's gained about 8 minutes or so
[3:43] <ajtag> is hr drift or time... ahh
[3:43] <ajtag> thats decent
[3:43] <ajtag> acceptable
[3:44] <BenO> Yep, should be usable too
[3:45] <BenO> 5V 2wire SPI
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[3:45] <wcchandler> is anybody maintaining a debian armhf image?
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[3:46] <BenO> image? I don't think so at this point
[3:46] <BenO> just the repo
[3:46] <wcchandler> arrr, matey
[3:46] <BenO> debootstrap and away!
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[3:47] <ajtag> do you know who is building the images at the moment?
[3:47] <ajtag> that are being published?
[3:48] <danieldaniel> ajtag: Your mother.
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[3:48] <BenO> ajtag, not sure - release strategy is patch it, make image, throw over wall at us users
[3:49] <ajtag> danieldaniel: she does the official repos, not the piones
[3:49] <danieldaniel> oh
[3:49] <danieldaniel> k
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[3:52] <jamesglanville> any interest in 3d printed rpi cases?
[3:52] <ajtag> ok, I have started testing/ hardware and for the stuff we have got working looking to get it out there
[3:52] <ajtag> BenO: http://electrictea.co.uk/Projects/pov/test2.jpg these lights
[3:52] <ajtag> colours are a lot shot but you get the idea
[3:53] <danieldaniel> jamesglanville: N00B! We make our own cases!
[3:53] <BenO> ajtag, Nice :) What movement does the structure do? (It's PoV isn't it?)
[3:53] <danieldaniel> jamesglanville: but yeah
[3:53] <danieldaniel> Where?
[3:53] <danieldaniel> When?
[3:53] <danieldaniel> How?
[3:53] <ajtag> yeah, that was moving the camera
[3:53] <danieldaniel> ill send you some uranium for it
[3:54] <jamesglanville> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:21733 is what i'd be looking to sell if there was interest
[3:54] <danieldaniel> There is
[3:54] <danieldaniel> Sell nao
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[3:54] <jamesglanville> danieldaniel: you want one? how much?
[3:55] <danieldaniel> jamesglanville: 3 kg of uranium 238
[3:55] <BenO> ajtag, Are you going to use a mirror or move the lights themselves?
[3:55] <danieldaniel> But seriously
[3:55] <jamesglanville> danieldaniel: I prefer paypal :
[3:55] <danieldaniel> how much do you want?
[3:55] <jamesglanville> *:P
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[3:55] <jamesglanville> probably about ??10
[3:55] <danieldaniel> oh
[3:55] <danieldaniel> heeeeeeel yes
[3:55] <ajtag> mirror... thats a great idea for testing, :D
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[3:56] <ajtag> lights move but for testing purposes it is too big to move the rig
[3:56] <BenO> ajtag, mirrors arranged around an axis and span or rocked can be helpful to make it work - but you need the leds to be projecting/focussed
[3:57] <BenO> I wonder if I can drive a LOLShield with a Pi...
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[3:58] <ajtag> might just be easier to continue with tripod and office swivel chair
[3:58] <BenO> :D
[3:58] <ajtag> should be able to
[3:59] <BenO> Yes, but it does beg the question, why? ;)
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[3:59] <BenO> It think 'because!' suffices
[3:59] <ajtag> I have asked that a lot recently
[3:59] <ajtag> agreed
[3:59] <BenO> anyway. g'nite all - up for work soon!
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[4:00] <ajtag> nn
[4:01] <ajtag> with any luck willhave a response to your printer tomorrow
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[4:28] <exaero> ls
[4:28] <exaero> Derp
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[4:32] <danieldaniel> I found mah tritium light source
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[4:38] <wcchandler> running remote x window with /usr/bin/x -query x_server... much better performance :P although I was jumping through a laptop twice
[4:39] <wcchandler> i don't see how ltsp can improve on this... except the whole chrooted environment + ssh/ldm... but even then
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[4:45] <wcchandler> although I could just chroot the environment, host it on a NFS/NBD as RO and essentially have LTSP
[4:45] <wcchandler> nil ldm
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[6:04] <oldtopman> ~waiting for my pi
[6:04] <slug> oldtopman: you and 20k more ;)
[6:04] <oldtopman> ~refreshing email daily
[6:05] <oldtopman> ~making my own case
[6:05] <oldtopman> ^rpi haiku
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[6:08] <slug> oldtopman: are they sending emails about the shipped orders? where did you get yours from?
[6:08] <oldtopman> slug: I bought from farnell the day after, I live in USA>
[6:09] <slug> oldtopman: ah, i ordered mine from newark afaik
[6:09] <oldtopman> They say that they'll ship before the end of june and that I'll get an email.
[6:09] * oldtopman hasn't actually gotten an email yet
[6:09] <oldtopman> Well, newark=farnell=element14
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[6:12] <shirro> oldtopman: There are only 2000 in the whole world at this stage. You had to get in early on day 1 for those. Yours will probably be in the first half of May based on what I have read.
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[6:24] <SimonT> shirro: and even then Export Farnell didn't ship them out in order..
[6:25] <SimonT> my order has yet to be filled while orders later than mine (from the same site) have been filled. going to give them a call when their office opens in a couple hours :/
[6:26] <shirro> Ok. Mine was with the Australian distributor so I wouldn't know. I saw one guy in the nearest Hackerspace got two. Fortunately he will share it with everyone so it isn't all that unfair.
[6:28] <SimonT> Things don't really seem very consistent so far, I'm thinking of whipping together a small web app to gather data on order times vs delivery to try and get a sense of what's actually going on
[6:35] <shirro> Things are very different by region. Our order numbers aren't in the same series for instance and they are allocating the pool at the local distributor based on local orders only.
[6:37] <shirro> The standard that gets you a board in one place might not work elsewhere. I feel pretty lucky to have one on the way with a time of 12 minutes I don't know if times have been more or less than that elsewhere.
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[6:43] <SimonT> Personally, I placed my order with Export Farnell at 07:06 on the 29th. I talked to someone today who ordered from the same site (Export Farnell) after me and has had his order filled. Farnell and partners said their orders were being filled first come first serve... not that anyone here wants to hear my rant again :)
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[6:46] <shirro> Is that 7:09 UTC?
[6:48] <shirro> Because mine was in at 0612 UTC and I felt I was lucky to make the cut.
[7:00] <shirro> Looks like a balloon launch is being planned.
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[7:21] <hotwings> SimonT - go ahead and rant dude. i would be pissed too
[7:22] <SimonT> hotwings: yeah, but ranting here isn't going to help ;)
[7:24] <SimonT> 07:09 GMT I think, it was 1 hour 9 minutes after they became available
[7:24] <huene> it's not gonna help to get your pi faster. but you can let off some steam :)
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[7:26] <DaQatz> Mine was 7:12
[7:26] <DaQatz> Same met plenty who order hours after that already got theirs
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[7:26] <huene> !w
[7:26] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 5??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
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[8:35] <namfonos> whats the biggest confirmed SD card that people have got working
[8:35] <namfonos> and whats the fastest
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[8:36] <ShiftPlusOne> an hdmi to d-sub cable should work, right?
[8:37] <SpeedEvil> no
[8:37] <SpeedEvil> 99.99% of these are simply wires.
[8:37] <SpeedEvil> They will not work as the pi does not output analog signals.
[8:37] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't that all that's required?
[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't know these monitors were analog
[8:38] <SpeedEvil> If you mean VGA
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> My graphics card has dvi connectors which work fine with the monitor with a simple adapter, so I figured it was all digital
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> But now that you say VGA, I can see where I made a stupid assumption, thanks
[8:41] <SpeedEvil> np
[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess there's some monitor shopping to do tomorrow
[8:41] <SpeedEvil> ebay++
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't know enough about monitors to be sure of an ebay purchase in this case
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[8:43] <ShiftPlusOne> but it is Anzac day tomorrow, so yeah, not much of a choice then.
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[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone know of a good, yet cheap, monitor?
[8:44] <SpeedEvil> any DVI or HDMI monitor will work - that does not require dual-link.
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> What's a decent size nowadays?
[8:45] <SpeedEvil> Monitors that require dual-link are 2560*1600 or so
[8:45] <SpeedEvil> In addition, for much stuff, speed and resolution are a tradeoff.
[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> anything wrong with this one? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/260979722386
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[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, only 1080p
[8:48] <SpeedEvil> What are you looking to run that needs >?
[8:49] <ShiftPlusOne> gaming and a general workstation
[8:50] <SpeedEvil> In general, a larger screen will be slower.
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[8:51] <SpeedEvil> However, wait around till more people wake up and can report actual performance at various resolutions.
[8:51] <ShiftPlusOne> my graphics card shouldn't have any problems there, or are you talking about pi use?
[8:53] <SpeedEvil> oh - I thought that was the point
[8:53] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[8:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but are you saying that 1080p on a 24" will be slower than 1080p on a 17" or were you just talking about resolution?
[8:55] <SpeedEvil> resolution only matters.
[8:55] <SpeedEvil> - but 99% of monitors are ~100dpi
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, thanks again. But yeah, this is to replace my desktop monitor, but also to use with the pi.
[8:58] <SpeedEvil> In that case, it probably makes sense to go with something nice, and then see if the pi will work with it - even if it struggles
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't pi only support 1080p output
[8:59] <SpeedEvil> It supports to 1080p video
[8:59] <SpeedEvil> It should support modestly larger displays - but again - wait for someone with a clue to turn up
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, so what actual video modes are supported?
[9:00] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: Did yours arrive today?
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and yours?
[9:01] <shirro> Nope. Sucks living out in the country. And bloody ANZAC day!
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ah wait, you were in regional SA, weren't you?
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[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, got it
[9:01] <shirro> pix in Adelaide got two! http://www.flickr.com/photos/_xiq/6961769748/
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> tutut... bad pix... cheating the system
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> or did he just order 1?
[9:05] <shirro> I went into the Post Office and begged but it wasn't there :-( I suspect he ordered two but sounds like one is going to be shared around the hackerspace. They are talking balloon launches already
[9:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's fair enough then
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[9:33] <Hydrazine> good morning
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[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[9:40] <_sundar_> just ordered my pi. but i'll have to wait till august :/
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[9:41] <blane> morning
[9:41] <_sundar_> morning
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[9:47] <Hourd> moaning
[9:47] <ironzorg> ahhhh~
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[9:53] <shirro> database down. just like old times
[9:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> maybe we ahve moved to new servers then ;-p
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[9:54] <shirro> who gave eben root?
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[9:54] <a_c_r> per the earlier discussion, I have my pi running 1920x1200
[9:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> forums are back
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, is that the maximum supported?
[9:58] <a_c_r> not sure, its the biggest i have to test
[9:58] <a_c_r> lemme look into that
[9:58] <shirro> but can you run q3 at that res?
[9:58] <a_c_r> shirro: define "run"
[9:58] <a_c_r> haha
[9:59] <_sundar_> is there a serial port on the pi?
[9:59] <a_c_r> there is a CMOS level UART on the pi
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> but you can go down to 800x600 if you need to, for example?
[9:59] <a_c_r> sure
[9:59] <shirro> _sundar_: there is a uart. 3.3v levels. you need a level convertor
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> _sundar_, not a serial port as such, but you can get a serial interface working.
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, great, thanks.
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[10:00] <_sundar_> how do you get into the console?
[10:00] <blane> it's a serial interface, not an rs232 interface
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[10:01] <_sundar_> shirro, which is the default console?
[10:01] <shirro> You get something like http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=174036501 and wire it into a header.
[10:02] <shirro> \/dev/ttyS0
[10:02] <a_c_r> Usually, the first thing I would do with a new embedded platform is wire up for serial console, but I havent' done it for the pi
[10:03] <a_c_r> probably because of the inaccessible bootloader and ssh + ethernet plays nice
[10:03] <shirro> I have one for the imx but that has proper rs232 and I needed it for u-boot stuff
[10:04] <shirro> I am wondering if I have thrown out a nokia data cable with a serial converter in it
[10:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm forums are deffo suffering
[10:04] <a_c_r> yeah, i have a stack of the usb-rs232 adaptors from dealextreme
[10:04] <a_c_r> one of them has a pl2303 and a level shifter
[10:05] <a_c_r> i just tapped the pl2303, so now I have both options
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[10:24] <plastikC> hail
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[10:47] <friggle> shirro: q3 runs at 1920x1200
[10:47] <fALSO> hi
[10:48] <steve_rox> hello
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[11:32] <M0RBD> nice... 3G handover has improved really since my last train trip.. Have not lost connection a single time..
[11:32] * M0RBD is on the train
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[11:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:37] * SpeedEvil is on the sofa.
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Under a couple of blankets.
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> With a hot-water-bottle.
[11:38] * Veryevil is at work :(
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[11:45] <M0RBD> hehe
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[11:48] <Davespice> I just recorded my Raspberry Pi unboxing video. *groan* goes everyone. This one is a actually funny. My work mates swapped the Pi out for a Kinder Surprise egg! So when I opened it I was like WTF?! WHERE IS IT?!
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:49] <Davespice> They were really careful with the box so it looked like it had never been opened
[11:49] <Davespice> bas*ards
[11:49] <SocksG> URL?!
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[11:51] <Davespice> I don't think it's up yet
[11:52] <Davespice> my collegues are going to do some editing and upload it with some titles etc on the front
[11:52] * M0RBD once replaced a buddies package contents with a brick rolled in toilet paper :D
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> Quilted?
[11:54] <M0RBD> nah... Tesco el-chepo
[11:54] <M0RBD> Also, we printed a thank yo card in Engrish
[11:54] <M0RBD> :D
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[11:58] <plastikC> phantoxe: status?
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[12:04] <Davespice> Just booted from the new debian image and it doesn't look like the full resolution of the monitor is being used
[12:05] <Veryevil> overscan is on
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[12:05] <Davespice> oh is that on by default?
[12:05] <Veryevil> add this to your config.txt file
[12:05] <Veryevil> disable_overscan=1
[12:05] <Davespice> okay so this is for tv sets etc
[12:06] <Veryevil> guess so
[12:06] <BenO> Davespice, when you say not the full resolution - do you mean a little or a lot?
[12:06] <Davespice> I would say an inch around every edge
[12:06] <BenO> Then yep, overscan :)
[12:06] <Davespice> so the overscan thing sounds correct to me
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[12:06] <Veryevil> yeah it will be 48 pixes all the way round
[12:06] <Davespice> so I just create config.txt and have disable_overscan=1
[12:07] <Davespice> nothing else?
[12:07] <Veryevil> yeah
[12:07] <Davespice> cool tar
[12:07] <Veryevil> you can port arm_freq=800 if you like
[12:07] <Veryevil> put*
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[12:08] <friggle> Davespice: and for HD TVs which stupidly default to having overscan...
[12:08] <BenO> How happy is it to sit at 800? T? difference?
[12:08] <Davespice> that does not seem to have done the trick
[12:08] <Veryevil> i got no increase in temp and I have a laser thermomitor
[12:09] <friggle> BenO: every board I've tried is totally happy at 800 without overvolting needed
[12:09] <Veryevil> mine sits at about 46-48 Deg C
[12:09] <BenO> FireFly, Veryevil Nice :)
[12:09] <Veryevil> which it did at 700
[12:09] <Davespice> Veryevil: disable_overscan=1 had not worked for me
[12:09] <Veryevil> what resolution are you trying to run
[12:09] <Veryevil> 1080p60?
[12:10] <Davespice> 1920x1080
[12:10] <BenO> It does seem a little indifferent to load at 700 - running povray for a day didn't seem to put out much heat at all (uncovered)
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[12:10] <Davespice> yes on a pc monitor
[12:10] <Davespice> hdmi_mode=16 ?
[12:10] <Veryevil> try that yeah
[12:10] <Veryevil> was just going to look it up
[12:11] <Davespice> does the config.txt file need to be a certain encoding? I am just using windows notepad
[12:11] <Veryevil> I think that should be ok
[12:11] <Veryevil> havent played to much with it yet
[12:11] * mjr wonders if it wants lf or crlf for line ends, or if it accepts both
[12:12] <Davespice> no difference
[12:12] <Veryevil> try hdmi_drive=1
[12:12] <Veryevil> if your running using DVi
[12:12] <Davespice> ah yes I am
[12:12] <Veryevil> DVI or hdmi_drive=2 is HDMI direct
[12:13] <Davespice> no difference
[12:13] * Davespice shrugs
[12:14] <Veryevil> TBH im having problems booting mine. The HDMI only comes up when it feels like it. It boots fine e.g. console and ssh and everything but it very rarly comes up over hdmi
[12:14] <Davespice> I did boot with the old debian image first and it was working okay
[12:14] <Davespice> so it seems to be ignoring my config.txt
[12:14] <Veryevil> yeah I had less issues with the oder one
[12:15] <Davespice> I can't remember the login for that one
[12:15] <Davespice> it was suse or something?
[12:15] <phantoxe> plastikC: DELAYED
[12:15] <Veryevil> login for debian image is pi & raspberry
[12:16] <BenO> the old, old one was pi and suse
[12:16] <Veryevil> oh right
[12:16] <fALSO> LOL
[12:16] <fALSO> hi phantoxe
[12:16] <phantoxe> hi
[12:16] <phantoxe> status on opengl
[12:17] <fALSO> quake 3 on framebuffer
[12:17] <phantoxe> lulz
[12:17] <plastikC> phantoxe: again?
[12:17] <Davespice> Veryevil: do you remember the login for the previous debian image? pi / suse or something?
[12:20] <Veryevil> no sorry i never used that one
[12:20] <BenO> Davespice, which previous?
[12:21] <BenO> Davespice, pi/suse or pi/raspberry are the only combos I know about
[12:21] <Davespice> debian6-17-02-2012
[12:21] <Davespice> okay
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[12:21] <BenO> and pi / suse doesn't work?
[12:21] <Davespice> stand by :)
[12:24] <Davespice> okay booting from the previous image now
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[12:25] <Davespice> the full resolution is working correctly and the text is sharp and not out of focus like on the new image
[12:25] <Davespice> I wonder what they did...
[12:25] <Davespice> paused at long write sync
[12:25] <Veryevil> like I said. I have problems with the latest one
[12:25] <Veryevil> Not really had any chance to play with my Pi as got other work on at the min
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[12:29] <Davespice> just had a strange experience with a keyboard
[12:29] <Davespice> typing seeming to be lagged a bit
[12:29] <Davespice> so this might explain why I had trouble logging in
[12:30] <Veryevil> is it a heavy draw keyboard?
[12:30] <Davespice> yeah it had extra buttong and features, so have swapped it out for a different one now, a more basic one
[12:30] <Veryevil> I was having problems with my mouse / keyboard as I connected my USB KVM to my PI which gets its power from the USB.
[12:31] <Davespice> okay
[12:31] <Davespice> now it seems happy
[12:31] <Davespice> I am in :)
[12:32] <Veryevil> did you get a basic keyboard?
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[12:32] <Davespice> yes, the one I was using had some extra features, for controlling music playback, short cut buttons to browsers etc
[12:33] <Davespice> going to try lxde
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[12:36] <Davespice> what is the root password for the pi/suse combination anyone?
[12:37] <Davespice> anyone???
[12:38] <SocksG> pi/suse perhaps?
[12:38] <Davespice> I am logged in as pi/suse
[12:39] <Davespice> but I want to go su root, so I can install packages
[12:39] <SocksG> OIC
[12:39] <SocksG> tried suse again?
[12:39] <Davespice> yes
[12:39] <Davespice> authentication failure
[12:39] <Davespice> tried pi, blank, password, root
[12:39] <SocksG> sudo -s
[12:40] * SocksG hasn't played with a suse image, but it could be that user pi is in the sudoers file.
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[12:45] <Veryevil> you should just use sudo passwd root
[12:45] <Veryevil> then set the root passwrod
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[13:21] <techman2> evening all
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[13:40] <Davespice> just been testing the sound on the debian build, sounds okay, a bit of a crackle on it though
[13:40] <Davespice> might be what I am playing actually
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[13:41] <Veryevil> the sound driver is known to have problems
[13:41] <Veryevil> and it does crackle
[13:41] <techman2> yes sound is rough at the moment
[13:41] <techman2> I don
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[13:42] <techman2> I don't envy those working on the drivers when looking at the whole linux audio mess
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[13:45] <plastikC> i just envy the ones who already have a pi
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[13:45] <Davespice> its good enough for me :)
[13:45] <mjr> "the whole linux audio mess" is generally greatly exaggarated
[13:45] <Davespice> I was also wondering
[13:46] <Davespice> if I make changes to the sd card while using the pi file system, do those changes get commited to it the sd card? or not?
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[13:46] <mjr> sure they will
[13:46] <Davespice> as in, if I reboot, will all my changes be gone?
[13:47] <Veryevil> they will still be on there
[13:47] <mjr> no, they won't be gone
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[13:47] <Davespice> okay cool, so I am just configuring samba and stuff
[13:47] <Veryevil> its a writable file system not a RAM drive like a Live CD uses
[13:47] <mjr> unless you go through some trouble to arrange for them to be gone ;)
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[13:47] <Veryevil> why did you start with such an old version? why not drop back just one version of debian?
[13:48] <Davespice> I am using the current build now :)
[13:48] <Veryevil> oh you got it working without overscan
[13:48] <Davespice> yes, it was a school boy error actually
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[13:49] <Veryevil> gonna admit to it?
[13:49] <Davespice> I forgot that the windows pc I was using had the 'hide file extensions' set to true in the options (normally I always turn that off)
[13:49] <Davespice> but on this pc I hadn't
[13:49] <Davespice> so the file was called config.txt.txt =)
[13:49] * Davespice ducks the rotten tomatoes
[13:49] <Veryevil> haha well spotted
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[13:50] <techman2> ah the old double extensions on the config file trick.
[13:50] <techman2> ;)
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[13:51] <techman2> will be good when new forum goes live.
[13:51] <Matt> morning mister sean
[13:51] <techman2> hey IT_Sean
[13:51] <IT_Sean> Ahoyhoy
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[13:53] <techman2> it never ceases to amaze me how the tiniest little bits of news about apple get posted
[13:53] <techman2> "Look it's the IPhone 5 home button!, it's minutely different to the old one!!"
[13:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> wait! apple do phones now ?
[13:54] <Hourd> omg the square is slightly more rounded than the last one!
[13:54] <IT_Sean>
[13:54] <IT_Sean> Not sure if serious
[13:54] <IT_Sean> :p
[13:54] <techman2> RaTTuS|BIG: no not really, they're great at everything but being a phone.
[13:55] <IT_Sean> To be honest... My iPhone 4 makes for a pretty decent phone, IMO.
[13:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> I think my 4yo samsung is just fine
[13:55] <techman2> IT_Sean: I loathe making calls on mine. constantly bumping buttons and putting people on speakerphone or hold accidentally.
[13:56] <IT_Sean> I cant say I've had that issue. Mine is in a case that makes it slightly larder to hit buttons accidentally, though.
[13:56] <IT_Sean> *harder
[13:56] <techman2> yeah mine is in a belkin case that still allows it to be flush against your face
[13:56] <techman2> seriously, why does the keypad not lock during normal calls?
[13:56] <IT_Sean> Otterbox here.
[13:57] <IT_Sean> It is supposed to. Your case may be interfering with the face proximity sensor
[13:57] <techman2> hrm
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[13:57] <techman2> I thought it was normal behaviour lol
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[13:57] <techman2> I hope you're right, it drives me nuts.
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[13:58] <IT_Sean> It's designed to Ignore touch input when it's next to your head.
[13:58] <IT_Sean> I assure you, mine does.
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[13:59] <techman2> cool, it may live a bit longer yet then
[13:59] <IT_Sean> Heh
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[14:12] <techman2> sweet
[14:13] <techman2> Liz just posted all future RPi shipments to Aus will be direct from China
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[14:16] * IT_Sean can has raspi?
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[14:17] <Caver> and eat it
[14:17] <IT_Sean> It would be a bit crunchy, I think. :/
[14:18] <Caver> more pepper
[14:19] <Jak_o_Shadows> mmm, more citric acid.
[14:19] <Caver> and just be glad it's lead free solder
[14:19] <techman2> Perhaps you could get two and use them to make a sandwich?
[14:19] <IT_Sean> Not with the one per person limit
[14:20] <techman2> Perhaps some thermal paste for filling?
[14:20] <techman2> mmm.. toxic.
[14:20] <Caver> gah it's like some scene from a horror film
[14:21] <techman2> heh
[14:21] * IT_Sean plonks a blob of arctic silver onto techman2's head
[14:22] <Caver> ah young love ...
[14:22] <techman2> bah
[14:22] <techman2> now I'm going to be cold :P
[14:22] <IT_Sean> Haha
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> techman2: not all thermal conductive materials are toxic
[14:23] <techman2> SpeedEvil: ok, you can have first taste.
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[14:23] <Caver> silver is actually not toxic at all
[14:24] <Caver> tis why you used to give children their milk in a silver mug ... it's naturally (slightly) antibactorial
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> techman2: See http://www.dansdata.com/goop.htm
[14:24] <techman2> Caver: I'm sure it wouldn't be conducive to good health to be eating circuit boards though.
[14:24] <Caver> defo not!
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[14:25] <IT_Sean> That would be A Bad Thing
[14:25] <techman2> yep.
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[14:27] <techman2> I'm hoping my pi will be here in early may :)
[14:27] <Caver> yeah
[14:28] <Caver> I hope the software matures a bit more, before the next big wave of people
[14:28] <techman2> amongst the next shipment
[14:28] <techman2> it's coming along pretty quickly considering how many are out there.
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[14:29] <techman2> think I'
[14:29] <techman2> think I'll be grabbing a modmypi case too
[14:30] <techman2> vesa mount should be good
[14:31] <DJWillis> IT_Sean: So I am not the only person using an old PDA Otterbox for the Pi then ;)
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[14:32] <IT_Sean> Wha?
[14:32] <IT_Sean> I dunno... Are you?
[14:32] <Caver> I confess I don't use a case for mine at all
[14:32] <Caver> it sits there naked in it's nakedness
[14:33] <DJWillis> <IT_Sean> Otterbox here. << Well I assum ethat was what your Pi is living in?
[14:33] <IT_Sean> No. I was talking about the Otterbox iPhone case I use, for my iPhone.
[14:34] <DJWillis> Sorry then ;-), in that case, it's only me ;-)
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[14:45] <techman2> DJWillis: are you using the pi for IRC?
[14:45] <DJWillis> techman2 not right now, was, it's off at home at the moment.
[14:46] <techman2> right
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[14:46] <techman2> what client were you using on it?
[14:46] <DJWillis> IRRSI and XChat
[14:47] <techman2> ok
[14:47] <techman2> I've switched to irssi now
[14:47] <DJWillis> XChat is GUI if that is your thing and easy enough to use.
[14:47] <DJWillis> ahhh
[14:47] <techman2> usually use EPIC prior to that
[14:47] <techman2> or BitchX a long time ago
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[14:50] <techman2> what distro are you running?
[14:51] <DJWillis> techman2: Angstrom
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[14:55] <techman2> on the pi?
[14:56] <DJWillis> techman2: yep
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[14:58] * techman2 looks it up
[14:59] <Hexxeh> !!!
[14:59] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/hexameron/cros_patchset
[14:59] <Hexxeh> wut.
[14:59] <Hexxeh> somebody is already working on this?!
[15:00] <DJWillis> techman2: http://blogs.distant-earth.com/ for a little info.
[15:00] <techman2> hey Hexxeh
[15:00] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: hmmm, well that was well known about, not ;-)
[15:01] <Hexxeh> he has a neater setup than me... :(
[15:01] <Hexxeh> i had to pull all kinds of crazy tricks to get all the packages to build
[15:01] <Hexxeh> he appears to have figured out a neat way of doing it
[15:01] <techman2> Hexxeh: so that should be a help for you then?
[15:01] <Hexxeh> yeah, need to find some way of contacting that guy
[15:02] <Hexxeh> if he's serious about getting it running, i might even send him some pi
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[15:03] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: email in commit logs? (not looked)
[15:04] <techman2> doesn't seem to be any sign on contact info
[15:05] <Hexxeh> i found a google+ account
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[15:06] <Hexxeh> he has such an elegant patch for the GCC problem i encountered...
[15:06] * Hexxeh hnnnng
[15:06] <fakker> :D
[15:06] <fakker> what's for lunch?
[15:06] <friggle> Hexxeh: question from Myra (RPi Foundation). Any hopes of getting HTML5 video working in chromium?
[15:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://plus.google.com/102303357513820031997/posts
[15:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> oh you found him
[15:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: definitely a possibility, eys
[15:07] <Hexxeh> *yes
[15:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: we'll need X11 accel, though
[15:07] <friggle> Hexxeh: you wouldn't go through openmax for video accel?
[15:07] <Hexxeh> yes, but i think even then, you still need x11 accel?
[15:07] <Hexxeh> lemme check the code
[15:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: you can just overlay the video on top of the framebuffer. e.g. omxplayer will work with x running
[15:08] <fALSO> good luck with 2d aceleration
[15:08] <Hexxeh> if i remember rightly, chromium does it VERY oddly
[15:08] <fALSO> get a nice chair to wait
[15:11] <Hexxeh> okay, so yeah, it's using omx for video playback
[15:11] <Hexxeh> but iirc it won't even try to use it if it doesn't have opengles acceleration working
[15:11] <Hexxeh> things are a bit broken in that respect currently
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[15:11] <Hexxeh> it did work on it's own in like R18, though
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[15:13] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, it would probably be a hack. e.g. depending on how hard it is to hack in, I don't see why you couldn't have decoded video overlaid - might be a pain to have it support scrolling
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[15:13] <friggle> and it wouldn't respect when you move other windows on top of it
[15:13] <Hexxeh> i've ran chromium on arm before, but it was on tegra2, where there was working x11 accel
[15:13] <Hexxeh> and it generally ran pretty well
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[15:14] <Hexxeh> don't forget, though, in chromium you don't have such a wide set of codecs as you do in chrome
[15:14] <friggle> Hexxeh: ok. Myra's just thinking about the educational release (a ways off). We'd like to have videos with bundled material, which can play in the browser
[15:15] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: also used it on OMAP3 / 4 but the RPi is another beast all together ;)
[15:15] <friggle> Hexxeh: well I was thinking of plumbing it directly to the Pi's openmax. That gets you all the codecs the pi supports
[15:15] <friggle> so, mpeg4 and h264
[15:15] <Hexxeh> i think those are amongst the non-free codecs you don't get
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[15:15] <Hexxeh> vp8 would be a good bet i should think
[15:16] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, but that's just because chromium bundles an ffmpeg that doesn't support them
[15:16] <Hexxeh> true
[15:16] <Hexxeh> there's an option to use the system's ffmpeg
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[15:16] <Hexxeh> and actually
[15:16] <Hexxeh> there's also an option to just build the ffmpeg that does :P
[15:17] <friggle> right, but you could go straight to omx rather than through ffmpeg
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[15:18] <Hexxeh> my understanding is that at some point, that was supported
[15:18] <Hexxeh> but now it isn't
[15:18] <Hexxeh> the code for it is still present
[15:18] <Hexxeh> but it's not been touched in some time, and it's probably bitrotted
[15:19] <Hexxeh> proprietary_codecs=1 in EXTRA_BUILD_ARGS to get the extra codecs
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[15:19] <Hexxeh> i'll have a look at the code see what the state of things is at present
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[15:22] <Hexxeh> hmm, looks like openmax is supported on some platforms they're working on
[15:22] <Hexxeh> enyxos and tegra2 in particular
[15:22] <friggle> Hexxeh: neat
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[15:23] <Hexxeh> looks like they get a bunch of binaries from the chip vendor
[15:23] <Hexxeh> but they're not quite the same ones available for the pi at present
[15:23] <friggle> Hexxeh: what sort of binaries?
[15:23] <Hexxeh> i'll get you a link, sec
[15:23] <Hexxeh> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=blob;f=overlay-daisy/media-libs/openmax/openmax-0.0.1-r3.ebuild;h=92261a62db51f4d28225d1fcd90172d47a272ef2;hb=HEAD
[15:24] <Hexxeh> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=blob;f=overlay-tegra2/media-libs/openmax/openmax-0.0.25-r2.ebuild;h=472a30dde5f6282b9fc0a6d8bb31ad226d147ffd;hb=HEAD
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[15:24] <Hexxeh> those are nv specific names in the tegra2 case
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[15:25] <Davespice> has anyone worked out a quick way to take screen shots on the Pi?
[15:26] <friggle> Hexxeh: we've got openmax libs in github.com/raspberrypi/firmware. See src/hello_pi/hello_video for a video decoding example. I'd have thought that's enough to get going
[15:26] <friggle> of course, you'd want to be aware of the WM to support overlapping windows, scrolling etc
[15:27] <Hexxeh> i'll look into it once we're at the point where the browser actually launches
[15:27] <Hexxeh> hopefully these patches i found get us going
[15:28] <DJWillis> Davespice: fbgrab?
[15:28] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, at least you found the github repo now rather than in a few weeks time I guess...still would have been nice to know of it earlier
[15:29] <Hexxeh> no idea if any of it works yet
[15:29] <Hexxeh> doesn't look like he's even considered chromium itself at this point
[15:29] <Hexxeh> but his toolchain stuff is elegant
[15:30] <Davespice> DJWillis: oh I have not used that
[15:30] <Hexxeh> i'm hoping there's some voodoo magic happening in the way the toolchain is built that lets chromium work
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[15:31] <DJWillis> Davespice: something like fbgrab -s 30 -d /dev/fb1 ~/screen.png may work
[15:31] <Davespice> oh right, I wonder if I can bind it to a key in lxde
[15:32] <Davespice> if I edit ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml
[15:32] <Davespice> DJWillis: what are the -s 30 -d parameters for?
[15:34] <Davespice> ah it's cool, I have the help text
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[15:35] <Davespice> cool
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[15:41] <Hexxeh> anyone around who has access to the forums to get me somebody's email address?
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[15:43] <Caver> erm I have a login to the forums, I don't think I can get people's emails though
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[15:45] <DJWillis> Davespice: sorry, that was a delay in my local script due to some framebuffer specifics on another device.
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[15:47] <Davespice> okay cool
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[15:53] <wkl> how does it take at first boot(arch)? still waiting after "starting network [Done]"
[15:54] <wkl> how long
[15:54] <wkl> oh starting openntpd now
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[15:58] <Hexxeh> wow, these patches are amazing...
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[15:58] <Caver> patches to what?
[15:59] <Hexxeh> i stumbled across a guy's github account who's trying to get chromium os working on the pi like me
[15:59] <Hexxeh> he's done /fantastic/ job, despite not actually having a pi
[15:59] <Hexxeh> such a good job, that i might send him one if these patches work
[15:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> +1
[16:00] <Hexxeh> RaTTuS|BIG: you replied to him on the forums once :P
[16:00] <Hexxeh> he's only posted a few times, though
[16:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> url me
[16:00] <Hexxeh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/rasptoo-another-distribution-for-raspberrypi#p41694
[16:01] <mkopack> Yeah, that's my big fear - that right now everyone is going off on their own working on stuff, when they should be working together to get things farther along faster.
[16:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> oH yes I remember
[16:01] <Hexxeh> i can't get over how good this stuff is
[16:01] <Hexxeh> i did unthinkable things to make some of the packages compile
[16:01] <mkopack> It's almost like we need a mini-sourceforge for the pi for projects related to it.
[16:01] <Hexxeh> there is one...
[16:02] <Matt> I love the inevitable typo
[16:02] <Matt> sourceforget
[16:02] <DJWillis> mkopack: and then all those projects loose focus for there upstream and it all becomes a closed eco system with no awareness of upstream ;)
[16:04] <Davespice> okay so I have managed to compile and run Schism Tracker on the Pi :)
[16:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm I hate google+ [i think]
[16:04] <Davespice> works a treat, although we get underrun errors occuring when stereo panning is used by the module you're playing
[16:04] <Davespice> maybe to do with the Alsa driver?
[16:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> Hexxeh I think if you attaempt to chat with him it will send an email to him on google+
[16:05] <Hexxeh> what do the zk in armv6zk mean again?
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[16:34] <Davespice> would anyone like to test out a build of schism tracker for me?
[16:34] <Davespice> I have a zip with a few module files you can use to test it with
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[16:55] <beardface> did anyone get an element14 RPI yet?
[16:55] <beardface> or, has a date been updated?
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[16:56] <beardface> I'm curious where I'm at in the queue (based on my Order Confirmation #, which is sequential)
[16:56] <Caver> beardface, yes I got one from element14
[16:56] <SirLagz> I'm still waiting for my Element14 RPi
[16:56] <Caver> hmm I think they are sequential but not globally
[16:56] <beardface> Caver, what was your order confirmation number, if you dont mind
[16:57] <Caver> 16454288
[16:58] <beardface> ah, yeah, not sequential globally
[16:58] <beardface> I'm 173601
[16:58] <beardface> (US)
[16:59] <Caver> <-- UK
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[17:01] <SimonT> Caver: is that your reference number from export farnell?
[17:01] <Caver> yes
[17:01] <SimonT> I just got off the phone with them and they didn't give me a whole lot of information but they were curious about how you got your order filled and I didn't
[17:02] <Caver> :(
[17:02] <Caver> should I be sending it back?
[17:02] <SimonT> I'll give them a call back and let them know
[17:02] <Caver> well remember I'm in the UK, so USA numbers might well be different
[17:03] <Caver> whats your ref number?
[17:03] <SimonT> Almost 2000 lower than yours
[17:03] <Caver> beyond saying "it's not fair" I'm at a loss what you want to achieve
[17:03] <SimonT> 16452343
[17:03] <Caver> right
[17:03] <Matt> I do recall seeing a post on the site saying comparing numbers wasn't productive
[17:04] <Matt> because they're not in sync globally
[17:04] <ReggieUK> it'll only lead to ulcers and a feeling of injustice
[17:04] <Caver> correct they said their not globally unique
[17:04] <Caver> I believe only to country level
[17:04] <SimonT> Matt even from the same web site?
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[17:05] <SimonT> My understanding is Export Farnell works on a global level... I suspect UK Farnell would be separate from Export Farnell. But I'd surprised if Export Farnell used different order numbers depending on the shipping address
[17:06] <SimonT> I know me ranting in here isn't going to help get me a pi, I was just relaying what I was told half an hour ago
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[17:08] <Davespice> beardface: yes I have one
[17:10] <Davespice> my order was via the export site though
[17:10] <Davespice> so may not be useful for you to compare
[17:10] <Caver> mine was too
[17:10] <SimonT> Davespice: are you in the UK as well?
[17:10] <Caver> Davespice, are you in the uk?
[17:10] <Davespice> yes, London
[17:10] <Davespice> you want my order no:?
[17:11] <Davespice> I ordered at 8 am on the 29th of Feb
[17:11] <SimonT> dang
[17:11] <Caver> interesting mine was 8:08am same date
[17:11] <Davespice> it came about a week or so ago, but I have been out of the country
[17:13] <SimonT> The support person I just talked to didn't know they had started shipping, but assumed they're just shipping UK orders right now
[17:14] <Caver> they have defo been shipped all over the place
[17:14] <M0RBD> ye... we're overtaking the tube!
[17:14] <M0RBD> :D
[17:14] * M0RBD is on the train back home..
[17:14] <Caver> lol
[17:14] <M0RBD> :D
[17:14] <Caver> the simplest pleasures in life are the best sometimes
[17:15] * M0RBD did not get thrown out from Infosec this year either...
[17:15] <Caver> which kind of implies you have before ..
[17:16] <M0RBD> hehe
[17:16] * M0RBD likes to ask the though questions...
[17:16] * M0RBD does it run Linux - FreeBSD
[17:16] <M0RBD> Answer is usually whats Linux whats FreeBSD
[17:16] <M0RBD> ll
[17:16] <M0RBD> lol
[17:17] <M0RBD> :P
[17:17] <Caver> Free what ... go and wash your mouth out ...
[17:17] <Caver> will not have such *filthy* words uttered on this noble channel
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[17:19] <fALSO> LOL
[17:20] <Caver> next you'll be wanting an accelerated X driver ...
[17:20] <Caver> :P
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[17:30] <curahack> It's pretty quiet here
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[17:30] <M0RBD> bah
[17:31] <curahack> Any interesting developments?
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[17:31] <mkopack> Holy Crap I need to stop using so much of the spicy stuff when I make my chili??? Jesus Christ I'm in pain today???.
[17:33] <Hexxeh> mkopack: did you see the stuff i posted about cros earlier?
[17:33] <mkopack> So, sorry, had to go into a meeting
[17:33] <Hexxeh> somebody beat me to doing it properly: https://github.com/hexameron/cros_patchset
[17:33] <Hexxeh> i've not tested it yet, still building
[17:33] <mkopack> Stupid hour long presentation on ITARs and Export restrictions
[17:33] <Hexxeh> but their patches look very clean
[17:33] <mkopack> Yay??? not
[17:34] <Hexxeh> built 244 of the 437 packages so far, shouldn't take much longer
[17:34] <mkopack> Hexxeh: see, that's what I was saying though, would have been better if you knew that was being done and you guys could have worked together, or broken out the work or something - rather than you both having spent all the time and energy to try to do the full thing...
[17:34] <mkopack> cool
[17:34] <Hexxeh> oh sorry, yeah, you did see it :P
[17:35] <mkopack> (OMG, that's it. I think it's time to dump that 150,000 scovel hot sauce I used down the drain)
[17:36] * curahack has to call the bank
[17:36] <curahack> :(
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[17:45] <Hexxeh> just 66 more packages to go
[17:45] <Hexxeh> no failures yet!
[17:45] <Hexxeh> actually, adhd failed, but that's because it's missing an asound state file for this board
[17:45] <Hexxeh> that's to be expected
[17:45] <curahack> best of luck!
[17:46] <Caver> are you cross compiling or actually on the real Pi
[17:46] <Hexxeh> cross compiling
[17:47] <Hexxeh> this stuff would take weeks to compile on a pi
[17:47] <Hexxeh> and some of it just wouldn't compile
[17:47] <curahack> are there any downsides to crosscompiling?
[17:47] <Caver> nope
[17:47] <Hexxeh> yes
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[17:47] <Caver> oh?
[17:47] <Hexxeh> some packages just don't play well with cross-compiling
[17:47] <Hexxeh> famously python and perl
[17:47] <curahack> hmn
[17:50] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, Since you have the hardware, some of those packages will cross compile, and do some bits on the pi.
[17:50] <DaQatz> namely perl will.
[17:51] <DaQatz> Also you can compile "on the pi" using distcc with a remote cross compiler.
[17:52] <DaQatz> Since the tests are done pi side, works better.
[17:53] <Hexxeh> i don't need perl anyway :P
[17:53] <Hexxeh> so it's fine
[17:54] <DaQatz> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml
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[17:54] <DaQatz> TRue, but may make some things easier.
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[18:09] <Caver> I suppose for the awkward ones you can always use Qemu and give it lots more memory
[18:09] <Caver> but it's never going to be fast
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[18:11] <FZombie> can't wait for my rpi so I can kick the arduino to the curb
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[18:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ you'll need both
[18:12] <FZombie> not really
[18:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> depends on what you are doing really
[18:12] <mkopack> FZombie: Theres a lot the arduino can do the RPi can't??? At least not without additional circuirty
[18:12] <FZombie> have a working usb antenna spinner!
[18:12] <ReggieUK> I was gonna say, kicking teh duino to the curb is a bit excessive when they'll compliment each other quite nicely
[18:12] <ReggieUK> FZombie360(tm)
[18:13] <mkopack> Exactly Reggie: Using them together is really the holy grail IMO
[18:13] <ReggieUK> it is certainly for the target market
[18:13] <ReggieUK> although you could quite easily use the gertboard
[18:13] <ReggieUK> which does give options that aren't arduino based
[18:13] <mkopack> In fact, I REALLY like that idea of the "PiDuino" board that somebody did a prototype of - plug the RPi into the xDunio board and power them both from a common PSU on the board.
[18:13] <Hexxeh> how much is the gertboard going to be?
[18:13] * Matt applies boiling water to teabag, in mug
[18:13] <mkopack> Hexxeh: probably a LOT more than an Uno
[18:14] <Hexxeh> thought as much
[18:14] <Hexxeh> surely an arduino is a cheaper option then
[18:14] <Matt> of course it is
[18:14] <ReggieUK> but why discard all the arduino knowledge and libraries over a gertboard (of course there is a big learning opportunity with the gertboard, as it shows us how to intergrate hardware into the pi subsytems)
[18:14] <FZombie> i would love the gertboard honestly it would let my rpi replace 4 devices
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[18:16] <mkopack> ReggieUK: exactly! SO much experience and libraries, shields, etc. for the Arduino. Stupid to throw that all away. Plus, if you need stuff with tight timings, the Pi just isn't going to cut it given it's full Linux OS.
[18:18] <FZombie> well ill still use arduinos for some projects but... they kind of get expensive with shields and whatever. the rpi will replace many arduinos thats for sure
[18:19] <ReggieUK> arduino doesn't have to be expensive
[18:19] <ReggieUK> you can build your own for under ??10
[18:20] <ReggieUK> and if you don't need a pc connected to it then you can get away with ??5
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[18:20] <ReggieUK> then again, when you want extra features then extra expense will be there no matter what
[18:21] <FZombie> its 20usd for a arduino uno r3
[18:21] <Caver> your a big fan of them, then?
[18:21] <ReggieUK> right but now you're being specific to the latest arduino
[18:21] <FZombie> its a cheap way to control some stuff.
[18:22] <ReggieUK> but the core of arduino (168,328 chips) is about ??3-4
[18:22] <FZombie> oh yes im being specific to the latest version, 20$ isn't a bad price
[18:22] <ReggieUK> a cheap usb to serial adapter is around ??3-4
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[18:22] <ReggieUK> 2-3caps, same amount of resistors, a button and you have an arduino
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[18:24] <FZombie> where people get into trouble is spending between 15 and 80$ per shield ha
[18:24] <mkopack> I assume you guys have seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5c1Dfaf57g
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[18:24] <mkopack> PiDuino board
[18:24] <mkopack> I think that's a fantastic idea???
[18:24] <ReggieUK> if you ignore all the fluff, and just need an arduino based board, then you only need the usb to serial adapter for programming, so the arduino based board can cost as little as ??5
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[18:24] <mkopack> Esp if they make one to emulate a Mega (I'm ALWAYS running out of pins on the normal Uno)
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[18:27] <FZombie> I used arduino to control solar panel sun tracking, antenna rotation, and controlling lights
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[18:27] <FZombie> it was worth the 13usd it cost for a old version
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[18:34] <Matt> I built a sun tracker way back when :)
[18:35] <Matt> before the age of microcontrollers
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[18:35] <Matt> two LDRs, an opamp and some motor driver circuitry
[18:36] <Matt> LDRs were mounted on a T shaped piece of wood, so the vertical bar cast a shadow on one or the other when it wasn't pointing toward the sun
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[19:35] <DDave> Hey! If I were to want to order a rasppi now, where could I do that? I dont want to "register my interest"
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[19:36] <philh> DDave, look at farnell instead of RS
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[19:36] <DDave> <-- looking at farnell
[19:37] <DDave> http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?isRedirect=true
[19:37] <markus> I have my beaglebone spinning here.
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[20:05] <Hexxeh> what does "kanged" mean? https://twitter.com/hexameron/status/194844044810133504
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[20:10] <fakker> manipulated/modified from something else
[20:10] <fakker> ?
[20:11] <Hexxeh> eh, fair enough
[20:11] <fakker> Kanging (or to be kanged) ??? To have one???s developer code and work taken, manipulated, rebranded, and re-released by someone else with no credit.
[20:11] <Hexxeh> um. what.
[20:12] <fakker> haha, that was a paste from rootzwiki
[20:12] <fakker> i would just say modified
[20:12] <fakker> not stolen
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[20:23] <RITRedbeard> can I get a raspberry pi next week in NA?
[20:23] <RITRedbeard> this way I'll have a consolation prize for messing up my classes
[20:24] <fakker> good luck
[20:24] <mkopack> Well, next week IS start of May, so I'm HOPEFUL Newark will be shipping out more next week
[20:24] <fakker> can i get one in hertfordshire for next week? probably not
[20:25] <philh> DDave, ah, ok, sorry about that, no idea then
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat off-topic - anyone recommend a SIP provider in the UK, with cheap 0845 calls?
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> I don't care about incoming.
[20:45] <zleap> SpeedEvil, gordon henderson from the devon and cornall lug runs voip systes http://drogon.net/
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Actually, in the meantime before reading that, I find that plusnet offers me a 'free' SIP number that has sort-of-acceptable rates to 0845
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[20:50] <Hexxeh> made MASSIVE progress today
[20:51] <ajtag> Hexxeh: ?
[20:52] <ajtag> ... go on
[20:52] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Awesome man!
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[20:52] <Hexxeh> no more segfault
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[20:52] <Hexxeh> it won't launch, but that's to be expected
[20:52] <Hexxeh> swrast support was killed a couple versions ago
[20:53] <zleap> SpeedEvil, is that link useful ?
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> zleap: Unsure
[20:53] <zleap> ok
[20:58] <zleap> its an option to look into anyway
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[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Thanks
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[21:15] <zgreg> http://www.olimex.com/dev/oli-main.html
[21:15] <zgreg> people are claiming this is an "rpi clone" - what?!
[21:16] <ReggieUK> some people are idiots then
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> Interesting project
[21:17] <ReggieUK> not saying the board isn't interesting but that it's a pi clone is just stupid
[21:17] <zgreg> yeah, of course
[21:17] <ReggieUK> it's a leapfrog didj clone :D
[21:17] <zgreg> the board might be interesting, but it very different from the pi
[21:19] <RITRedbeard> does it have DVI out?
[21:19] <RITRedbeard> ??????????///
[21:20] <Matt> morning
[21:20] <zgreg> still, I wonder why olimex went all sour grapes after the pi appeared
[21:21] <zgreg> probably because the pi is much more popular
[21:21] <ReggieUK> cos the pi is kicking the ass out of a lot of bottom lines it appears
[21:21] <zgreg> RITRedbeard: doesn't look like it
[21:21] <zgreg> RITRedbeard: the SoC does not have any GPU to speak of, anyway
[21:22] <ReggieUK> arduino nailed it, pi looks like it might well nail it
[21:22] * RITRedbeard shrugs
[21:22] <RITRedbeard> ncurses
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[21:24] <zgreg> http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/IMX233_BD_IMG.jpg
[21:24] <zgreg> that's the SoC used in the olinuxino
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[21:24] <RITRedbeard> LCD controller
[21:25] <zgreg> integrated general-purpose adc and audio dac are nice
[21:25] <RITRedbeard> that ain't vague
[21:25] <RITRedbeard> probably means LVDS
[21:25] <RITRedbeard> but whatever
[21:26] <zgreg> but if there's one thing where the pi definitely shines, it's the name
[21:26] <zgreg> "olinuxino", wtf?
[21:26] <RITRedbeard> also for shared contempt
[21:26] <RITRedbeard> at least if you hang around here long enough
[21:26] <RITRedbeard> have they even updated the front page?
[21:28] <RITRedbeard> blah blah blah some shit about python and java for making kids learn (terrible ideas as well)
[21:28] <RITRedbeard> and liz can bake cookies
[21:28] <RITRedbeard> yay!
[21:28] <Hexxeh> so uh
[21:28] <Hexxeh> chromium now totally works. except, it doesn't, because sw rendering is broken and we don't have x11 accel
[21:28] <Hexxeh> somebody wanna look at x11 drivers already? :P
[21:29] <zgreg> I think chrome always uses software rendering for canvas and the UI
[21:29] <zgreg> as far as I know, at least
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[21:30] <Hexxeh> nope
[21:30] <RITRedbeard> I know chrome crashes a lot
[21:30] <Hexxeh> apparently sw rendering on chromeos has been broken since about r18
[21:30] <RITRedbeard> personal testimony
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[21:31] <zgreg> Hexxeh: ok, maybe chrome (for the desktop) and chromeos are pretty different in that regard
[21:31] <Hexxeh> i think it changed with aura
[21:31] <zgreg> does chrome use xrender?
[21:32] <zgreg> err, chromeos, I mean :)
[21:32] <Hexxeh> i /think/ so
[21:32] <Hexxeh> lemme check
[21:32] <Hexxeh> yes
[21:32] <RITRedbeard> Hexxeh, are you working with pi?
[21:33] <Hexxeh> yep
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> fedora?
[21:33] <Hexxeh> chromium os
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> oh
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> I see
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[21:35] <RITRedbeard> anyone catch a look at free before starting x?
[21:35] <RITRedbeard> or top?
[21:37] <zgreg> Hexxeh: hm, it should work then, just slowly
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[21:55] <Matt> quiet in here this afternoon
[21:55] <Hexxeh> zgreg: passed use-gl=osmesa, and yeah, launches now
[21:55] <Hexxeh> REALLY slow as you'd expect though
[21:55] <Hexxeh> as in, wait a few seconds for each character to appear slow
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[22:13] <Hexxeh> i think until we have x11 drivers, my work here is done
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: you forgot the muhahahahah!
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[22:19] <zgreg> Hexxeh: that's not xrender, that's opengl
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[22:20] <Hexxeh> huh?
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[22:21] <zgreg> xrender is the modern x11 2d acceleration api, and it's implemented in the ddx
[22:21] <zgreg> from what you've written it looks like chromiumos uses opengl, not xrender
[22:22] <Hexxeh> ah
[22:22] <Hexxeh> indeed, i was mistaken
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[22:24] <zgreg> can chromiumos not use egl/opengl es directly?
[22:25] <Hexxeh> not currently
[22:25] <Hexxeh> apparently there are some patches that allow it, but they're untested on ARM
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[22:25] <Hexxeh> trying to get ahold of them now to test them
[22:25] <zgreg> egl still requires platform-specific code, though
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[22:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: why should chrome be super slow? midori isn't *that* bad?
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[22:34] <Hexxeh> friggle: because aura i suspect
[22:35] <friggle> Hexxeh: ah right. chromium 6 from squeeze is actually fairly snappy. At least competitive with midori
[22:35] <Hexxeh> chromium 6 is SUPER old :P
[22:35] <friggle> I know that :)
[22:35] <Hexxeh> this is chromium 20 i just got running
[22:36] <Hexxeh> turned out to be a toolchain issue afterall
[22:36] <friggle> but the newer ones aren't built for armel
[22:36] <zgreg> I still suspect chromium isn't really a good fit for the pi, due to memory constraints
[22:36] <zgreg> chromium is a memory hog
[22:36] <Hexxeh> it's really not as bad as people make out
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[22:36] <zgreg> the chromiumos netbooks typically ship with 2 GB of RAM
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[22:38] <danieldaniel> Holy crap
[22:38] <Hexxeh> it'll still run on a whole lot less
[22:38] <danieldaniel> I had $100 invested at UBS with my parents financial manager
[22:38] <danieldaniel> for a couple months
[22:38] <danieldaniel> $970.69 Investment Return
[22:38] <friggle> danieldaniel: that's a lot of pi
[22:38] <danieldaniel> LOL
[22:38] <danieldaniel> But yeah, thats AWESOME
[22:39] <danieldaniel> I'm gonna email this to her:
[22:39] <danieldaniel> http://memegenerator.net/instance/19313461
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[22:41] <zgreg> Hexxeh: well, in my experience visiting the "right" websites in chrome easily invokes the OOM killer on a netbook with 1 GB of RAM - and that's not with many tabs open
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[22:45] <DJWillis> zgreg: Chromium is very usable if you keep the tabs under contol on the OpenPandora with 256MB, a few tricks help but that is just stock on top of Xfce. That said, some websites can totally trash it ;)
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[22:47] <zgreg> DJWillis: yes, but firefox has none of these issues
[22:47] <zgreg> no tricks required
[22:47] <DJWillis> zgreg: bull***t ;-)
[22:48] <DJWillis> FF is just as bad, if not worse, and requires just the same tricks.
[22:48] <zgreg> well, recent versions of firefox are much, much better at memory management
[22:48] <zgreg> better than any other mainstream browser
[22:49] <zgreg> it's no bullshit, really
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[22:49] <zgreg> firefox < 7 can be really bad, though
[22:49] <DJWillis> 10 is still a pig (last version I tested) over Chromium 19 but that is a version or so old in each case. FF is better on ram but NO brower is great with tabs and sandboxes in a restricted memory space ;).
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[22:50] <Hexxeh> you can disable sandboxing
[22:50] <Hexxeh> it's just not supported
[22:50] <Hexxeh> but it's very easy to do :P
[22:51] <zgreg> how did you test that? if you have a shitload of badly leaking, buggy addons installed, firefox will still suck, of course :p
[22:52] <DJWillis> zgreg: clean builds for ARMv7 with NO addons from outside the source trees
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[22:52] <DJWillis> zgreg: not my desktop ;-)
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[22:52] <DJWillis> Hexxeh: true ;)
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[22:53] <Hexxeh> obviously there are security implications, but the choice is there for the user
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[23:27] <BenO> Quiet in here tonight...
[23:27] <Hydrazine> yeah
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