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IRC Log for 2012-04-25

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[0:13] <BenO> OpenGL ES + RPi -> has anyone been trying this directly? ie the bcm_host_init() route?
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[0:16] <BenO> And has anyone got a copy of Gert's code to access the available SPI on the GPIO pins?
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[0:20] <friggle> BenO: what's your problem with bcm_host_init?
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[0:24] <BenO> friggle, Trying to port the opengles examples over
[0:24] <BenO> friggle, I have working code, and it appears to render happily
[0:25] <BenO> friggle, but can't work out the magic to get it to be visible
[0:25] <BenO> Basing the init on hello_triangle
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[0:26] <friggle> BenO: these is the examples from the gles book?
[0:26] <namfonos> whats the biggest size SD card someone has got working on their rpi
[0:26] <namfonos> and what is the fastest class SD card someone has working
[0:26] <BenO> friggle yep - as found in the firmware/hardfp dir on the repo
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[0:26] <danieldaniel> Wow, this book is good
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[0:27] <BenO> friggle, https://github.com/benosteen/firmware/blob/master/hardfp/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/opengles-book-samples-read-only/Raspi/Common/esUtil.c contains the changes I've made, (mostly line 138 onwards)
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[0:27] <namfonos> whats the biggest size SD card someone has got working on their rpi
[0:28] <friggle> BenO: did you not even get chapter 2 hello triangle displaying something?
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[0:28] <namfonos> and what is the fastest class SD card someone has working
[0:28] <orzel> hello... element14 site is down.. right?
[0:28] <danieldaniel> isup.me/farnell.com
[0:28] <danieldaniel> or whatever it is
[0:28] <BenO> friggle, All I got was stdout that it was rendering at a decent fps
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[0:28] <BenO> friggle, but I haven't tried building the examples as they were
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[0:29] <BenO> friggle, (ie with XLib, etc)
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[0:29] <mkopack> I think, if I ever manage to get my RPi, I'm going to try to work on getting a couple of the old 8-bit console emulators working...
[0:29] <friggle> BenO: well, I've definitely got a number of those examples working on the Pi (though before bcm_host_init was introduced)
[0:29] <friggle> though that just hid a few video core init steps
[0:29] <friggle> BenO: let me have a look at my code and compare with yours
[0:30] <BenO> friggle, thank you :)
[0:30] <BenO> friggle, some examples produce quick strobing on the console (strobing to black, not anything interesting unfortunately)
[0:31] <mkopack> Hey, is there a way (without having an RPi yet) that I can see if certain packages have been ported to ARM?
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[0:31] <friggle> mkopack: packages.debian.org
[0:31] <fALSO> its just a case of building them
[0:31] <fALSO> most of them will build
[0:33] <mkopack> Do I want to limit to "Arm" or "Armel" ?
[0:34] <friggle> mkopack: armel
[0:34] <fALSO> is there any info on how quake 3 is using 3d acelerated graphics ?
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[0:34] <friggle> fALSO: the source is at github.com/raspberrypi
[0:34] <BenO> friggle, (just FYI I have tried a few different attribList's and dst/src rect ideas, but without effect)
[0:34] <fALSO> yes i know
[0:35] <fALSO> what supports the "3d" is sdl, right ?
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[0:35] <Cheery> huhhuh.. I don't have anything to do
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[0:36] <BenO> fALSO, ioquake3 uses libEGL, etc for the 3D - SDL is used for keyboard events and so on, as far as I can see in the code
[0:36] <wcchandler> using xdmcp i was pushing 53meg continuous to the pi...
[0:36] <friggle> BenO: ok, just gone through esutil.c seems fine. I didn't make any mods to esCreateWindow
[0:36] <fALSO> beno, thanks
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[0:37] <friggle> BenO: I found an interesting diff to HelloTriangle though...
[0:37] <BenO> friggle, ah okay
[0:37] <friggle> BenO: I changed glCealrColor(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f) to all 0.15f
[0:37] <friggle> *glClearColor
[0:37] <BenO> friggle, Hmm interesting :)
[0:38] <friggle> BenO: and in fact made similar changes to other demos. I forgot all about that. why the hell didn't I chase that up
[0:38] <friggle> BenO: I think I assumed I must have been doing something stupid, and was planning to look in more detail
[0:38] <BenO> I'll give it a go and see if that affects things
[0:38] <BenO> thanks :)
[0:39] <friggle> BenO: please do, and let me know if it does. even better, if you know why ;) we should ask Dom
[0:40] <wcchandler> running a video off a server using xdmcp, pushing 53m through the pi is at 100% cpu, 59% mem used by X putting it at 100% used
[0:40] <Hexxeh> friggle: long shot, but i don't suppose there are any internal efforts you know of to write an x11 driver, are there? :P
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[0:40] <Hexxeh> i got chrome built, but it's very slow with swrast
[0:40] <mkopack> hahaha theres a UAE port for armel!
[0:40] <mkopack> (amiga emulator)
[0:41] <friggle> Hexxeh: nothing is very internal. The Foundation doesn't have a legion of programmers, just a bunch of people like yourself with boards :)
[0:41] <Hexxeh> was worth a shot :P
[0:41] <mkopack> And VICE is there too! Woohoo!
[0:41] <mkopack> C64
[0:41] <friggle> Hexxeh: but anyway, I personally think the most hopeful approach is to make use of eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM for buffer sharing between processes
[0:41] <friggle> Hexxeh: then each app renders to a EGL buffer, which is composited by the window manager
[0:42] <wcchandler> mplayer is running on the server, not the pi so that's not pushing stuff... I think it's the raw writing to the screen that the CPU can't do alone
[0:42] <friggle> Hexxeh: so apps using Cairo (Gtk) or Qt can use their GLES backends, and render with hardware accel
[0:42] <Hexxeh> friggle: beyond me, sadly
[0:42] <wcchandler> when you load x off the pi but with -query does it load the drivers from the pi? (I assume yes)
[0:42] <Hexxeh> there's a possibility that we might be able to run chrome without X soon, though
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[0:43] <friggle> Hexxeh: directfb devs are also very interested in showing off their platform and getting it going with h hw accel
[0:43] <Hexxeh> and by soon, i mean maybe within a few months
[0:43] <friggle> Hexxeh: don't know how feasible that is for chromium
[0:43] <Hexxeh> it's possible, apparently there are some patches that enable it, but they're untested on ARM at present
[0:43] <Hexxeh> they'd need some work get it going on ARM
[0:46] <friggle> Hexxeh: why on earth did chromium need another compositing window manager with aura. Just looking at the design doc, it looks just a teensy bit similar to wayland/weston :)
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[0:46] <Hexxeh> hell if i know :P
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[0:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: if you can work within X but ask for and render to GLES buffers, it looks like there's something on that in the pipeline
[0:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: some kind soul might accelerate the traditional X route by using the DMA engines or ARM assembler in the pain points. How much that would get you I'm not sure
[0:49] <Hexxeh> i must admit, i don't know a whole lot about how the whole stack works
[0:49] <Hexxeh> i just put all the pieces together once they exist :)
[0:49] <friggle> Hexxeh: I'll keep you in the loop if there are any development, but expect evif there's major progress with desktop accel it will get to the blog very quickly :)
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[0:50] <friggle> Hexxeh: I didn't know too much about the linux graphics stack before starting either
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> friggle: It's quite simple - it's one byte per char, and an attirbute byte
[0:50] <Hexxeh> friggle: cheers
[0:51] <Hexxeh> got my google alerts setup, so if something does appear, i should hear about it soon enough
[0:51] <friggle> SpeedEvil: huh
[0:52] <mkopack> Damn, looks like the only possible Colecovision emulator is XMESS, and it isn't made for armel, and it's non-free status
[0:52] * SpeedEvil found his copy of 'programming for the EGA/VGA graphics card' today.
[0:53] <Hexxeh> i guess since i have a chromeos=1 build of chromium working
[0:53] <friggle> mkopack: well, that's what's available in debian.
[0:53] <Hexxeh> i could build it without chromeos=1 and try it on debian
[0:53] <friggle> mkopack: you might try looking at what emulators people have on gp2x/dingoo/openpandora
[0:53] <mkopack> Right??? so, probably gonna have to do some work to port that one over
[0:53] <friggle> mkopack: it won't be a trivial apt-get install binary_package_name, but may not be *much* harder
[0:53] <friggle> mkopack: though others will require more work and optimisation
[0:54] <friggle> SpeedEvil: :)
[0:54] <mkopack> Ideally, I want: MAME (arcade roms), C64, Stella (Atari2600), Collecovision, Intellivision, NES, SNES, and I'd like to give UAE a go as well.. (Amiga)
[0:54] <hamitron> hmmmm
[0:55] <mkopack> I have this collection of 50 DVDs full of ROMs and software for all those systems (and more) that I'd love to use on the RPi
[0:55] <mkopack> turn it into a little retro gaming system emulation setup
[0:55] <hamitron> why do I expect loads of emulators to be a high priority to be ported? "what a great educational device" ;/
[0:55] <_av500_> one can learn a lot by porting an emulator
[0:55] <hamitron> oh ofc
[0:56] <hamitron> but I'm thinking, all the people who just play them ;)
[0:56] <fALSO> snes and uae wont probably work
[0:56] <fALSO> the cpu is to slow
[0:56] <friggle> hamitron: well, does it really matter if lots of people do just use them for play?
[0:56] <friggle> fALSO: with some hacks many games may be very playable. 700mhz ARM11 isn't that slow, and there's some headroom for overclocking
[0:56] <mkopack> Well, think of it this way - we keep saying how those old systems taught us so much??? Through emulation, they can teach the next gen!
[0:56] <hamitron> friggle, so long as they don't stop someone who wants them for education, no ;D
[0:56] <friggle> not sure about UAE
[0:57] <_av500_> hamitron: stop how?
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[0:57] <hamitron> well, when there is a waiting list for example
[0:57] <mkopack> Well, UAE will be a crap shoot??? I've NEVER gotten that to work reliably well, even on super powerful x86 ssytems
[0:57] <_av500_> kids that want retro games can play them on their iphones
[0:57] <friggle> yeah, but it's not targeting education right now
[0:57] <friggle> and anyone e.g. porting an emulator is likely to help out with the general platform stuff as a side effect. Or at least, it's possible they will
[0:58] <hamitron> friggle, it needs to target devs.... not everyone wanting a cheap device to play old games on
[0:58] <BenO> friggle, well, I've made some progress via a typo
[0:58] <hamitron> ;)
[0:58] <mkopack> And if it's any consolation, I wrote to those people Liz mentioned on the blog post looking to make educational material, and offered to write lessons on Java
[0:58] <_av500_> why does it need to target anybody?
[0:58] <friggle> BenO: what did you find? did glClearColor have any effect?
[0:58] <friggle> BenO: because I know I magically got output when I changed that
[0:58] <_av500_> mkopack: is java on rpi different?
[0:58] <mkopack> given that I'm a published book author on Java, I think I could handle that no problem
[0:58] <BenO> friggle, by setting the src_rect.height to display_width << 16 I get some badass rectangular effect
[0:58] <_av500_> s/java/java on r-pi/g
[0:59] <hamitron> hehe
[0:59] <BenO> friggle, Like a spectrum loading all over the screen
[0:59] <mkopack> No, but just to give instructions on here's how you set java up on the Rpi, now here's how you do beginning programming lessons in Java
[0:59] <BenO> zx*
[0:59] <danieldaniel> putting foam tape on the RasPI won't break it, right?
[0:59] <danieldaniel> While its running
[0:59] <_av500_> conductive foam?
[0:59] <danieldaniel> i don't think so
[1:00] <BenO> friggle, I'm trying to undo and remove the experimental code bits I added while I was trying to get output...
[1:00] <mkopack> I mean, face it, for ANY programming language, there's tons of books and stuff online, so it's not like you NEED to provide that on the Pi, but I think they're hoping to make a series of cookbooks provided with the RPi for "here's how you do ABC in _language_"
[1:00] <_av500_> dont forget the safe word...
[1:00] <danieldaniel> its scotch tape
[1:00] <friggle> BenO: oh bugger, I did miss a difference (sorry, was flicking through manualls). I have src_rect.width = screen_width << 16 and src_rect.height = screen_height << 16
[1:00] <mkopack> danieldaniel: probably not a good idea. Scotch tape is pretty staticy
[1:00] <danieldaniel> hmm
[1:00] * _av500_ prefers bourbon tape
[1:00] <danieldaniel> its not like scotch tape
[1:01] <danieldaniel> its foam scotch tape
[1:01] <mkopack> Well which is it man?!?! LOL
[1:01] <danieldaniel> its not that clear stuff
[1:01] <_av500_> scotch foam
[1:01] <_av500_> whipped liquor
[1:01] <danieldaniel> i think
[1:01] <danieldaniel> yeah
[1:01] <danieldaniel> what?
[1:02] <friggle> BenO: where screen_width/screen_height were hardcoded by me to 640 and 480
[1:02] <friggle> BenO: and set nativewindow.{width,height} screen_width and screen_height too
[1:03] <cjbaird> It's a pity that Tim Hartnell has died-- no doubt he'd be the first to actually publish books for the RPi. :)
[1:03] <friggle> mkopack: yeah, it's meant to be a starting point. A few 'experiments' to get you going
[1:04] <BenO> friggle, hardcoding the src/dst rects too? I'm guessing the bitshift is an endianness thing?
[1:05] <mkopack> Exactly??? So teach them basic stuff like "Here's a simple program" (point out the parts). Here's how you compile it, here's how you run it??? then a little intro to loops, branching/conditionals, maybe some OO, basic data structures + collections.. and such
[1:05] <mkopack> then point them at a bunch of online resources
[1:05] <friggle> BenO: let me just pastebin my hacked up WinCreate :)
[1:05] <mkopack> And if possible, provide example code for interfacing through the GPIO pins.
[1:05] <BenO> friggle, brilliant :)
[1:06] <mkopack> Hell, I could spend a whole day just putting together a good set of links to pages on a ton of different subjects in Java
[1:07] <friggle> BenO: http://pastebin.com/MuLLgdzF
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[1:07] <BenO> friggle, Thank you!
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[1:08] <friggle> some quality printf-style debugging in there ;)
[1:09] <_av500_> mkopack: no offence, but does this "lets write a simple program" have anything to do with r-pi?
[1:09] <_av500_> if it was boring to students before, why is it exiting now?
[1:09] <BenO> friggle, It's the only way I roll ;)
[1:10] <mkopack> Hey, THEY (the foundation, or rather the people the post refers to) are the ones asking for the material...
[1:10] <mkopack> Gotta teach them how to walk before run!
[1:10] <mkopack> We ALL learned how to program somehow
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[1:11] <cjbaird> "Hey guise, the best way to lern is to have 800-line Java proggies, and then go through it and literally explain things line-by-line!" :P
[1:11] <mkopack> the idea of the RPi is give them a tool to do it with??? And the course content is to get them jumpstarted with it so do the sort lessons, they see it doing something that THEY created, and that gets them excited
[1:11] <mkopack> Not 800 line??? like 15-20 line??? simple things
[1:11] <cjbaird> Back in my Day, we got books with 40-50 line BASIC game programs, and learnt from that. :)
[1:11] <mkopack> Remember the 1980 8-bit days?
[1:11] <friggle> mkopack: yeah, though _av500_ does have a point about making it interesting
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[1:12] <mkopack> back then, when we got manuals with our computers that showed us how to do simple BASIC programming??? I remember the one that came with the C64 went through the whole BASIC language
[1:12] <mkopack> With short example programs.
[1:12] <cjbaird> If I Were In Charge, I'd have a 'competition' for good <50 line programs...
[1:12] <_av500_> the manual of the c64 was crap
[1:12] <friggle> mkopack: the people who set up raspberry filling are very fond of those sort of magazines :)
[1:12] <cjbaird> The manual for the VIC20 however was quite good. :)
[1:13] <mkopack> Typing those, and the ones like cjbaird is talking about from Compute! and Compute's Gazzette magazine are what got me started
[1:13] <_av500_> people tend to forget that back then there were no computers
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[1:13] <_av500_> today, they are all around us
[1:13] <cjbaird> I'm thinking pygame is a good foundation for things...
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[1:14] <cjbaird> You can knock up a few interesting things with relatively little crufty overhead.
[1:14] <mkopack> There was that video somebody posted a week or so ago with the modern family who are given an old BBC Micro, and the son comes home from school, sets it up with his buddy and they spend the whole night typing in programs out of the book and making it do stuff - Gfx, sounds, etc.
[1:14] <_av500_> so we need a bbc micro emulator on it
[1:14] <friggle> mkopack: yeah, apparently the computing history museum take old computers like the micro to schools too
[1:14] <mkopack> That shows that It IS possible to get kids interested. They just need to see the computer DOING something and feel some reward response when they type in a program and see it respond to their commands
[1:15] <BenO> friggle, mkopack yep :) They are going to be at the Cambridge siliconmilkroundthingy this weekend
[1:15] <friggle> mkopack: yeah. I imagine like all teaching, there are different sorts of children and some will respond to different things
[1:15] <_av500_> they see the bird fly and the pig die - and a 3 star reward!
[1:15] <_av500_> achievement unlocked
[1:15] <mkopack> I mean, hell, how many of us, the first time we were given access to a computer, did the old "10 Print "(your name here) is awesome!" 20 goto 10 " ???
[1:16] <mkopack> And when it just started printing and scrolling that like mad, we jumped up and down so excited to see it doing something WE made it do
[1:16] <wcchandler> heh
[1:16] <wcchandler> my first loop I watched it buffer overflow
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[1:16] <cjbaird> 10 PRINT "PETER COUSINS SUCKS!!! 20 GOTO 10 ... :D
[1:17] <friggle> BenO: odd that event hasn't gone out of the Cambridge computer lab mailing list.
[1:17] <BenO> http://www.siliconmilkroundcambridge.com/
[1:17] <BenO> ^^ that event hasn't?
[1:17] <mkopack> the whole point of the Pi is that we have SO many damn layers between us and the hardware now, and 99% of the population is never exposed to those direct interfaces like we were, so it's just a big spooky box to them, and they see no reason to do anything more than run software on them.
[1:18] <wcchandler> heh
[1:18] <friggle> BenO: not finding anything in my inbox. might have gone on the undergrad list though.
[1:18] <mkopack> The pi is an attempt to give kids a low cost system they CAN get down into the command line or weeds with, they CAN be exposed to how to make it do stuff that they command
[1:19] <mkopack> (now that IS a bit more complicated given the complexity of Linux, but the idea of having it go into Python on boot is interesting???)
[1:19] <BenO> friggle, Odd - I think a friend of mine is involved, Jim Downing. He was the one who emailed me about it, to come along
[1:20] <BenO> (He was in the Cam Chemistry labs before jumping to a startup)
[1:20] <friggle> BenO: you're in cambridge?
[1:21] <BenO> friggle, No, but not that far away - Bishops Stortford
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[1:21] <BenO> friggle, I've worked on a project at the Uni though
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[1:23] <BenO> friggle, I've got your WinCreate in there now, but no change - I'm assuming it is still pebkac and I'm building against the wrong set of libs
[1:23] <BenO> /opt/vc/lib in the default distro
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[1:25] <friggle> BenO: only other diff I really spot is I don't have an eglBindAPI call
[1:25] <BenO> friggle, that was a desperation addition ;)
[1:25] <friggle> BenO: I built with -L/opt/vc/lib -lGLESv2 -lEGL -lm -lvcos -lvcos_generic
[1:25] <friggle> BenO: but the the vcos/vcos_generic stuff should be covered by bcm_host now
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[1:26] <friggle> and indeed, you would have linker errors if not so...
[1:28] <BenO> friggle, I used a number of the gcc options from the hello_triangle example. Building with your options
[1:28] <BenO> (and -I/opt/vc/include)
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[1:30] <BenO> friggle, I'm afraid it's still just flicker
[1:30] <BenO> friggle, Will try at a different output rez
[1:30] <friggle> BenO: hard code it to 640 x 480. That's a good starting point :)
[1:31] <BenO> yep - already done!
[1:31] <BenO> I got the most out when I typo'd!
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[1:34] <friggle> BenO: :(
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[1:35] <BenO> friggle, forgive the terrible quality, but this is the flicker/rect funkiness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adUiDycnr5k
[1:36] <friggle> funky
[1:36] <BenO> but that's only with the typo
[1:36] <BenO> otherwise there is a flicker, but strobing to black
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> if I am using NetworkManager connection sharing on eth0, how do I view which IP a client has?
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> in other words, I am connected to a pi, but I have no idea what IP my computer gave it.
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[1:42] <anon9002> try pinging 255.255.255.255
[1:42] <ukscone> anyone know how good gateway computers are these days?
[1:42] <plugwash> you could also try looking at the output of arp -a
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> /var/log/messages to the rescue
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> arp -a is a lot better though, thanks
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray.... ssh'ed into the pi
[1:45] <danieldaniel> well thats cool
[1:45] <danieldaniel> If you shine a UV light on an amex or mastercard
[1:45] <danieldaniel> It says AMEX or MC
[1:45] <danieldaniel> just accidentally did that
[1:46] <danieldaniel> and was like ocoolebans
[1:46] <danieldaniel> beans
[1:46] <cjbaird> Just had another play with PyGame ... The sort of thing I'd imagine a schoolkid could get into (I know I did :) ... http://pastebin.com/zamMiBzY
[1:46] <friggle> BenO: I'm off, do ping me if you work anything out with your gles example issues
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[1:47] <BenO> friggle, At higher display rez, the flicker has artifacts ;) Thanks for the help though - there might be something up with this distro. Might be handy to encourage others to try the (your) code
[1:47] <BenO> friggle, nite and thanks again :)
[1:47] <curahack> hexxeh still here?
[1:47] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, what are the gles issues?
[1:47] <friggle> BenO: no problem. Once we've had another sanity check and I've double-checked on my hardware, we'll ping the broadcom guys to check what we're doing wrong
[1:47] <curahack> what was the URL to your github with the patches for ChromeOS?
[1:48] <wcchandler> Hexxeh never leaves
[1:48] <Hexxeh> curahack: the github thing wasn't my patches, some i found on google
[1:48] <wcchandler> he's tapped into the Matrix
[1:48] <Hexxeh> curahack: https://github.com/hexameron/cros_patchset
[1:48] <curahack> wchhandler is right
[1:48] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, Happily run the opengles examples (after changing the Util to init the screen, bcm-style) but no display occurs
[1:48] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: leave? i don't even sleep..!
[1:48] <curahack> thanks, but are they any use?
[1:48] * wcchandler surprised he is not
[1:48] <Hexxeh> curahack: yes
[1:48] <Hexxeh> they work perfectly
[1:49] <Hexxeh> i had aura running before on my TV
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> hm.... as soon as I get my new monitor or rca cable, I'll also be messing around with gles
[1:49] <Hexxeh> it's just insanely slow
[1:49] <Hexxeh> since there's no graphical acceleratio
[1:49] <Hexxeh> *acceleration
[1:49] <curahack> how for is the work on ChromeOS? If you don't mind I want to mention it in a blog post
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[1:50] <Hexxeh> uh, well everything is built for chromium os, incl chromium
[1:50] <Hexxeh> all softfp at the moment, but that might change very soon
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[1:50] <Hexxeh> it's possible to launch the browser if the --use-gl=osmesa flag is passed, but this is software rendering, and it's VERY slow
[1:50] <Hexxeh> i think there are other things going wrong, because it was taking a matter of minutes to render google.co.uk
[1:51] <Hexxeh> i suspect it's just aura being a dog with the sw renderer though
[1:51] <Hexxeh> building r18 at the moment, pre-aura
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[1:51] <curahack> interesting, and when you've perfected things, I assume you will publish them?
[1:52] <Hexxeh> of course
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, can't get the pi talking to he outside world. Pinging google times out.
[1:52] <Hexxeh> actually, better than that
[1:52] <Hexxeh> once i've got things working usably, i'll try and get it upstreamed
[1:53] <curahack> Great! Well thanks so far, and keep us up to date on the pogress!
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> although I can hook it up straight to the router... what the hell am I doing.
[1:53] <Hexxeh> hoping to have something new to show within a few days
[1:53] <Hexxeh> i'm pretty much finished with uni now, so i've got more free time to spend on it
[1:53] <Hexxeh> got exams, but eh, they're a few weeks off yet ;)
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[1:54] <curahack> I'd be nice if you can record the results so far, just so we can see exactly how it's going atm
[1:54] <Hexxeh> there's nothing much to see at the moment
[1:54] <wcchandler> any word on debian hf?
[1:54] <Hexxeh> those github patches replaced a gigantic stack of hacks i was balancing things on though
[1:54] <Hexxeh> i say patches
[1:54] <curahack> well ChromeOS and Chromium are running, so that'd be something
[1:54] <plugwash> wcchandler, what specifically do you want to know about it?
[1:54] <Hexxeh> i already had most of them, it was the gcc one that was the killer
[1:55] <Hexxeh> the ffmpeg and native_client ones are widely published
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[1:55] <wcchandler> mostly, is it trying to get working on the pi? if so, any snags? and further, a packages list that needs to be compiled?
[1:56] <Hexxeh> last i heard he's still resolving issues with his build system
[1:56] <wcchandler> anybody working on an image for the pi?
[1:56] <wcchandler> ahh
[1:56] <Hexxeh> wcchandler: i've made one, not published because it's not really usable at the moment
[1:56] <curahack> Hexxeh what are you studying?
[1:56] <Hexxeh> curahack: software engineering
[1:56] <curahack> where?
[1:56] <Hexxeh> university of central lancashire
[1:57] <Hexxeh> nowhere exciting :P
[1:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Read speed test: "104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 1.0784 s, 97.2 MB/s" can that be right?
[1:57] <wcchandler> Hexxeh: I'd throw $50 that you'll get a job offer from broadcom or google when you graduate
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> No.
[1:57] <curahack> still awesome work
[1:57] <Hexxeh> cheers
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> Not from SD or USB
[1:57] <curahack> and I assume you never go to class?
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne:
[1:57] <wcchandler> curahack: he is a class
[1:57] <wcchandler> everyone sits around him coding
[1:57] <Hexxeh> curahack: nah, my attendance is pretty much perfect, actually
[1:57] <curahack> it's midnight in the UK atm
[1:58] <plugwash> wcchandler, official armhf won't run on the Pi, mpthompson is working on a variant which will run on the Pi. We have enough that you can debootstrap a chroot and install build-essential in it but building the rest will take some time.
[1:58] <Hexxeh> not that i really listen much in lectures, tend to have a laptop with me and just work
[1:58] <curahack> you just hang around here all day?
[1:58] <curahack> *IRC
[1:58] <Hexxeh> slash do work over SSH, yeah
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, that's what "dd if=~/test.tmp of=/dev/null bs=100K count=1024" returned =/
[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> after dd if=/dev/zero of=~/test.tmp bs=100K count=1024
[1:59] <curahack> Well, cheers from the Caribbean again, brb
[1:59] <plugwash> wcchandler, if you want to play with it something like "debootstrap --arch=armhf --no-check-gpg wheezy /wheezy http://debian.raspbian.com/debian" on your pi should create you a chroot
[2:00] <wcchandler> plugwash: is raspbian the go to resource for it?
[2:00] <wcchandler> ermm.. nevermind
[2:00] <wcchandler> that was silly
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[2:01] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: that's all in cache now
[2:01] <wcchandler> plugwash: is it expected to provide good real-world results?
[2:01] <wcchandler> similar to what other arm devices are doing
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: do it again with a gig, or do it onto a file, then unmount the device (unmount won't complete till it's writen)
[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, yeah, that would make more sense... reading 105MB instantly surprised me a fair bit.
[2:02] <plugwash> only a few benchmarks have been run so far but those i've seen looked pretty good
[2:02] <plugwash> don't expect too many packages to be available at the moment though
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> The USB will top out at at most ~30-40Megabytes/s
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> SD, 12ish
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[2:03] <wcchandler> plugwash: is dpkg available to build .deb?
[2:04] <wcchandler> is there anything special for passing it through? I know gcc-4.5 with ABI is needed but that's about it, eh?
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[2:05] <plugwash> the provided gcc-4.6 package (4.6 is the default gcc in wheezy) is configured to default to appropriate options
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[2:12] <plugwash> and yes as I said build-essential (including gcc dpkg-dev etc) is installable as is debhelper so you should be able to build packages (in fact i've built several already though i'm using slightly better hardware than a Pi).
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[2:14] <kallisti5> ok.. I have a ftdi serial converter
[2:15] <kallisti5> what pins should I connect to the uart pins on the pi to get a serial link across? I have been trying rx, tx, and ground without success
[2:15] <ReggieUK> those are the only 3 you should need
[2:15] <kallisti5> thats what I thought... strange
[2:16] <kallisti5> If I connect tx and rx together I do get a terminal in minicom which makes sense
[2:16] <kallisti5> (on the pi)
[2:16] <ReggieUK> gnd to gnd, pi tx to ftdi rx, pi rx to ftdi tx
[2:16] <ReggieUK> what voltage is the ftdi running at?
[2:16] <kallisti5> 3.3
[2:17] <ReggieUK> and are the baud rates matching on the pi and the ftdi?
[2:17] <ReggieUK> flow control off etc.
[2:17] <kallisti5> 115blahblah
[2:17] <kallisti5> yeah.
[2:17] <ReggieUK> 8,n,1 etc.
[2:17] <kallisti5> let me double check my rx to tx
[2:17] <kallisti5> that was the way I fist connected it without success
[2:18] <ReggieUK> I believe the ftdi shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0
[2:19] <kallisti5> got it
[2:19] <kallisti5> guess I was too soon to jump to tx->tx as I thought the board did that for meh
[2:21] <ReggieUK> all working now then?
[2:22] <kallisti5> yeah.. and the bootloader puts out nothing
[2:22] <kallisti5> sigh
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[2:25] <wcchandler> plugwash: your command you sent above did you mean --no-check-certificate? --no-check-gpg complained as an invalid option
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[2:28] <danieldaniel> wcchandler: --no-check-gpg is, I guess, saying the same thing as --no-check-certificate
[2:28] <danieldaniel> its just a different way of saying it
[2:28] <danieldaniel> although one may not be an option
[2:28] <wcchandler> danieldaniel: yeah, that's why I went ahead and ran it
[2:28] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:29] <plugwash> danieldaniel, no they are two seperate options, one is for telling it not to check whether the release is gpg signed, the other is telling it not to check https certificates
[2:29] <danieldaniel> plugwash: So check cert doesn't check the gpg public key?
[2:29] <danieldaniel> Oh
[2:29] <danieldaniel> I actually didn't know that
[2:29] <danieldaniel> I usually use the certificate one
[2:30] <danieldaniel> i just assumed they were the same
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[2:31] <plugwash> hmm, it seems squeeze's debootstrap doesn't have no-check-gpg yet apparently it does have gpg support weird
[2:31] * plugwash investigates further
[2:32] <wcchandler> is it checking gpg by default? it is validating packages (I assumed checksumming)
[2:34] <wcchandler> the initial build isn't taking too long compared to building a chroot for arm ltsp through qemu on a virtual machine
[2:34] <plugwash> ah it seems squeeze's deboostrap has the capability to verify the gpg signature on the repositry if it's told to but it doesn't do so by default
[2:36] <plugwash> while wheezy/sid's debootstrap will verify the signature (and fail if it can't verify it against it's list of trusted keys) unless you tell it not to.
[2:36] <wcchandler> heh... pretty sure my pi just crapped out. not responding to pings or ssh session. I'll have to check locally during a commercial
[2:36] <kallisti5> Sent an email to Eben on the firmware and if there is debug output on uart
[2:36] <kallisti5> maybe i'll luck out
[2:37] <kallisti5> thanks for the help :D
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[2:41] <BugStalker> Really? Backordered until August 16th?
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[2:42] <plugwash> what the humans are saying isn't as pessimistic as what the computers are saying
[2:43] <plugwash> but still the only way to get a pi quickly at the moment is to pay crazy prices on ebay
[2:43] <BugStalker> wull I have my 40 pi's backordered already..... at $35 each.... I'll wait.... but rather impatiently
[2:44] <wcchandler> woot kernel panic when building **dances**
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[2:46] <plugwash> using USB storage? if so then I blame the USB
[2:47] <wcchandler> plugwash: :P
[2:48] <wcchandler> think it'd happen with an NFS?
[2:49] <plugwash> dunno but given both storage and network on the Pi are behind USB it doesn't bode too well for high load operation
[2:50] <wcchandler> mm-hmm
[2:54] <wcchandler> maybe I'll just nfs boot then store it on the SD card if this craps out
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[3:05] <wcchandler> bandwidth on the nfs only hits ~10mbps... I could sustain 53mbps for 20minutes in another instance
[3:05] <wcchandler> when i was connecting to a remote x server it was doing 53 consistent
[3:06] <wcchandler> but we shall see :)
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[3:07] <wcchandler> some real action to the nfs now... hitting 25mb
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[3:23] <wcchandler> build complete
[3:23] <plugwash> what were you building?
[3:24] <wcchandler> debootstrap --arch=armhf
[3:24] <wcchandler> not really building
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[3:27] <plugwash> ah you had the crash just while bootstrapping before you even tried to do anything with the chroot :(
[3:27] <plugwash> anyway good to hear it works on NFS
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[3:36] <wcchandler> plugwash: what's your general work flow for messing around with your chroot environment? in your "good" image dl the package then cp it over, chroot, build or install, exit, repeat?
[3:37] <plugwash> generally I just download stuff directly into the chroot if I want it in there
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[3:39] <plugwash> though that does require a usable /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot (but that's not too big a deal, usually I just use "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in such environments since google public dns is available anywhere so I don't have to worry about updating dns settings
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[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone tried fbvnc on pi?
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[5:11] <danieldaniel> http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lft4xyN7zX1qbvc38o1_500.jpg
[5:11] <danieldaniel> FARNELL ACTUALLY CANCELLED MY ORDERS
[5:13] * kallisti5 pets the pi next to him
[5:13] <klm[_]> lol
[5:14] <danieldaniel> WTF WTF WTF
[5:14] <danieldaniel> now i only have one pi
[5:14] <danieldaniel> I ordered 3 :(
[5:14] * klm[_] holds his pi and reaches out for 2nds
[5:14] <kallisti5> danieldaniel: you were only supposed to order one
[5:14] <RITRedbeard> eben lied, childre - oh fuck it
[5:14] <danieldaniel> o
[5:14] <danieldaniel> Well I don't care
[5:14] <danieldaniel> farnell es el stupido
[5:14] * RITRedbeard gets tired, brushes off, and heads to the pub
[5:14] <kallisti5> shirro: well.. farnell corrected the mistake
[5:15] <RITRedbeard> yeah, shirro
[5:15] <kallisti5> err danieldaniel not shirro
[5:15] <RITRedbeard> you see, danieldaniel.... they fixed "the glitch
[5:15] <RITRedbeard> "
[5:15] <danieldaniel> Well
[5:15] <danieldaniel> Nao i is madz0rz
[5:15] <danieldaniel> And farnell r n00b
[5:15] <kallisti5> -.-
[5:15] <klm[_]> o
[5:16] <danieldaniel> :(
[5:16] <RITRedbeard> deploy 3rd infantry batallion??? :(
[5:16] <shirro> I am being very un-Australian and cursing Anzac day for denying me my Pi.
[5:16] <klm[_]> no pi for YOU!
[5:16] <klm[_]> heh
[5:17] <RITRedbeard> someone do a quake II port
[5:17] <RITRedbeard> time to get my frag on
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[5:19] <shirro> It is like out equivalent of Veterans Day but has become a national religion. Especially the mainstream media who turn it up to 11 and rape it for advertising revenue at every opportunity
[5:21] <shirro> You want to know what is really un-Australian? A mid-week holiday!
[5:22] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[5:22] <RITRedbeard> Chopper Reid says harden the fuck up
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[5:35] <abhatnag> so what cool things are you people doing with your raspis
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[5:36] <shirro> you don't need a pi to do cool things. everything it does you can do with other devices.
[5:36] <abhatnag> um, yeah; but the size and cost factor certainly add to the coolness
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> I'm making ARM powered ultraportable/mobile
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> with 5VDC portable battery supply
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> charger
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> headless
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> HDMI headmounted display
[5:37] <abhatnag> RITRedbeard: mobile? Like a cell?
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> specfically
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> an ono-sendai 7
[5:37] <abhatnag> oh cool, that sounds awesome
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> with the geo-trek stealth module
[5:37] <abhatnag> are you just building on one of the existing OSes?
[5:37] <shirro> The hackespace in Adelaide are thinking of sending one up in a balloon like this http://vimeo.com/19064597 - they need to put a pirate flag on it though
[5:38] <abhatnag> Someone needs to get Android on this thing
[5:38] <abhatnag> sweet
[5:38] <RITRedbeard> but I'm pretty happy about just having a portable that is totally 5VDC and has insane mAh compared to drawn wattage at load.
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> also the crap I said back there was Johnny Mnemonic and Neuromancer references. Never mind me. William Gibson fan.
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[5:43] <abhatnag> hah, yeah I didn't get most of that; Google helped a little
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[5:52] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: lest we forget
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[5:54] <shirro> Lest we forget my Pi rotting in at the Post Office. Yes. And the poor buggers who died in other peoples wars I guess. Though a big FU to our government which keeps toadying to foreigners.
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> we're meant to be pulling out of iraq soon
[5:55] <tntexplosivesltd> iirc only one NZ soldier died over there
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[5:58] <shirro> I think we have had a bigger commitment to both wars. Pity the yanks keep on invading shitty little countries. They should try Russia in winter. That would teach them a lesson they won't forget.
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[7:00] <themool> How accurate is the 141 day lead time Element 14 is giving on preorders?
[7:00] <themool> is there anywhere besides ebay that I can get one in less than 141 days?
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> themool, not accurate at all... it means nothing. When did you order?
[7:01] <themool> didn't order
[7:02] <themool> yet
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[7:03] <ShiftPlusOne> around july then
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[7:04] <ShiftPlusOne> themool, so you can either order now and wait until july or go with ebay
[7:04] <themool> Hmm. I also have a BeagleBone on the way
[7:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the third option is obviously not to order at all
[7:05] <themool> I definitely want one, but the bone will keep me occupied
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[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone tried to get an RT5370 wireless dongle working?
[7:09] <Joric> does freenode by chance have a z80 related channel cant find any
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[7:13] <Blunderbuss> hey all, can anyone help me with wifi?
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[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, maybe if I can get mine working.
[7:14] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: whats it doing?
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> this channel normally picks up in about 12 hours, which is the best time to ask
[7:14] <Blunderbuss> I just can't get an IP
[7:14] <a_c_r> is it associating with your AP?
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> are you using wpa_supplicant?
[7:15] <Blunderbuss> I bought the TP-Link TL-WN722N and have been using wicd-curses
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[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[7:15] <Blunderbuss> I can see networks around me
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> that's good
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[7:16] <Blunderbuss> so I guess I'm not sure if it can associate with my AP
[7:16] <Blunderbuss> it just times out on trying to get an IP
[7:16] <a_c_r> aha
[7:16] <Blunderbuss> it IS able to connect to my neighbors unsecured wifi... >.<
[7:17] <a_c_r> when it times out, do you end up with a link local ip?
[7:17] <a_c_r> haha.
[7:17] <Blunderbuss> not sure how to check that- I have it connected wired and am scanning on wifi
[7:17] <Blunderbuss> I think its a WPA2-PSK issue somewhere perhaps
[7:17] <a_c_r> sudo ifconfig wlan0 [or whatever your device is]
[7:17] <a_c_r> that seems likely
[7:18] <Blunderbuss> ok I ran that command
[7:18] <a_c_r> so, you're hitting [right arrow] and entering the PSK for the appropriate SSID and then F10, then C?
[7:18] <Blunderbuss> get a paragraph of text
[7:19] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: was there no post today for you?
[7:19] <a_c_r> any ip address starting with 169?
[7:19] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r no...let me look into that. I dont see an IP address listed
[7:19] <a_c_r> no. don't worry
[7:19] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r I mean I didnt hit the right arrow and enter a psk
[7:19] <a_c_r> that just indicates its not an IP error
[7:20] <a_c_r> oh
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, anzac day
[7:20] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: do that
[7:20] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, it's anzac day here too
[7:20] <tntexplosivesltd> we got mail today
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, in NZ?
[7:21] <Blunderbuss> a_l_c delightful! I thought that the psk was already in place in a wpa.conf file I had made, that did the trick
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[7:21] <Blunderbuss> I wish I knew what anzac day was
[7:21] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: awesome sauce
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: maybe it was left over from yesterday
[7:22] <Blunderbuss> hooray for wifi connected rpi! now to figure out VNC server, XMBC, Quake 3, etc
[7:22] <tntexplosivesltd> haven't checked in a while >.>
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, fair enough
[7:22] <a_c_r> quake 3 is rather slow
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, awesome
[7:22] <a_c_r> would love to see XMBC
[7:23] <Blunderbuss> apparently liam and others have it going
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[7:23] <Blunderbuss> playing youtube videos
[7:23] <a_c_r> Anyone seen any news on power management?
[7:24] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r: what kind of news?
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> any ideas on how to get ssh going without a monitor?
[7:26] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: anything? like it exists. development progress. hardware docs for various sleep/low power modes. anything
[7:26] <a_c_r> yeah
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> trying to just guess, but it isn't working
[7:26] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: copy the boot*.rc to boot.rc in the /boot
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> that simple ey?
[7:26] <a_c_r> yarp
[7:27] <Blunderbuss> ah I haven't heard about that
[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah, now I can think of plenty of other ways as well.... stupid me trying to blindly type on a keyboard until it's up
[7:27] <a_c_r> (well, that will make it autostart. to start it manually just do "sudo service ssh start"
[7:27] <Blunderbuss> or sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start I believe
[7:27] <a_c_r> same thing
[7:27] <Blunderbuss> ah ok
[7:27] <Blunderbuss> <- new to linux
[7:28] <Blunderbuss> I want to get nx server on it or something
[7:28] <Blunderbuss> maybe the logmein thing
[7:28] <a_c_r> Linux is pretty great stuff. I've been using it since '96 or so, but definitely learn something new every day.
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> how do you add services to the default runlevel on debian?
[7:29] <a_c_r> logmein for VNC type service?
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> like rc-update but for debian...
[7:30] <Blunderbuss> yeah its a VNC service that runs a server side program so you can always connect to it
[7:30] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: i think there is a utility that will manually symlink the init scripts to the proper runlevel
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[7:30] <Blunderbuss> even behind firewalls, or not knowing IPs
[7:30] <a_c_r> i forget
[7:30] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: there are several options in debian
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[7:30] <a_c_r> just do "apt-cache search vnc"
[7:31] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: update-rc.d perhaps?
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, just found it as well, thanks
[7:32] <Blunderbuss> first thing I'm doing now is a full dump backup of the install before I screw anything up!
[7:32] <a_c_r> now if I could force myself to remember that.
[7:32] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: always a wise move.
[7:33] <mozzwald> any news on usb interrupt issue?
[7:34] <RITRedbeard> how much porn can I store on it?
[7:35] <a_c_r> RITRedbeard: eleventy seven.
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[7:35] <a_c_r> Anyone tried this or similiar for wifi? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-150mbps-802-11b-g-n-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-white-67532?item=6
[7:36] <a_c_r> I can't imagine the range being very good.
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[7:40] <DaQatz> My brother must be turning the modem and router off now every night.
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[7:41] <a_c_r> DaQatz: 'Why would anyone do that?
[7:41] <DaQatz> Because every time he heads home BAM! All server access ceases. And in the morning it's back.
[7:42] <DaQatz> a_c_r, He's kinda "That way."
[7:42] <a_c_r> DaQatz: The microwaves... they're reading his brain.
[7:42] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r: cross-compiling XMBC for RPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/bulding-xbmc-for-raspberry-pi
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, I can't imagine it being too good without an antenna. I've got a similar one, but a tiny bit bulkier with an antenna you can screw on.
[7:43] <a_c_r> yeah. just curious. All of mine have RPSMA
[7:43] <ShiftPlusOne> though on the other hand, modern antenna design can be pretty damn compact, so who knows what it's got going on inside.
[7:44] <a_c_r> physics are physics... all else equal, bigger is better. TWSS.
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> well nuh, 'cause instead of having one long antenna, you can just have a pcb trace which, given the right width and length can be just as good.
[7:45] <cjbaird> 2.4GHz has a wavelength of ~3cm... something's odd..
[7:46] <a_c_r> yeah. or the ceramic chip antennas. those are simply rf voodoo
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[7:46] <a_c_r> seems a bit short
[7:46] <a_c_r> maybe thats quarter wave
[7:46] <a_c_r> i thought it was around 11cm
[7:46] <ecto2> saw some interesting designs searching for fractal antennas
[7:46] <a_c_r> 12.5cm
[7:47] <a_c_r> roughly
[7:47] <cjbaird> yeah, you're right...
[7:47] <a_c_r> 2.4GHz/C
[7:47] <cjbaird> The 3cm value was in my head for the quarter-wave units I used when making a helical..
[7:48] <ecto2> i ordered an rtl2832u usb dongle last week cant wait to play with it and gnuradio
[7:48] <a_c_r> ecto2: i've tried twice with no success
[7:48] <ecto2> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[7:48] <a_c_r> ecto2: where did you order from?
[7:48] <ecto2> oh what was the problem?
[7:48] <ecto2> dealextreme
[7:49] <ecto2> they shipped it like 2 days later
[7:49] <a_c_r> ecto2: ebay - dealer short sold the radio.
[7:49] <ecto2> thats like monumental
[7:49] <cjbaird> I had a suitable tuner for that. Was listening to the AM'd airport tranmissions..
[7:49] <a_c_r> ecto2: egoo... marked as shipped, but may take weeks from china
[7:49] <ecto2> oh yeah i heard bad stuff about egoo on redit
[7:49] <a_c_r> I have had excellent service from dealextreme
[7:50] <a_c_r> but they were out of stock on 3/28 or whenever i tried to order it
[7:50] <Blunderbuss> I wonder if anyone has gotten bluetooth working yet?
[7:50] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: one sec... will try
[7:50] <ecto2> ugh it doesnt have a bluetooth device
[7:50] <ecto2> that might be your problem
[7:50] <Blunderbuss> also, what does this rtl2832u usb dongle enable?
[7:51] <Blunderbuss> FM receiver?
[7:51] <ecto2> sdr
[7:51] <ecto2> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> does the kernel config in /proc contain everything the original config did?
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> modules and all that
[7:51] <ecto2> any signal demodulation from 60mhz-1.7ghz
[7:52] <Blunderbuss> ok that is AWESOME
[7:52] <Blunderbuss> guess I want to order one too...
[7:52] <a_c_r> Super freekin' awesome.
[7:52] <ecto2> few ham bands between those freq, local police digital p25/ misc fm/ marine uhf fm/gmrs/frs fm
[7:53] <a_c_r> Timing... I bought a Tek 2715 about a month ago.
[7:53] <tntexplosivesltd> does it only handle FM?
[7:53] <a_c_r> Now I can do most of that magic with a $20 usb dongle.
[7:53] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: no
[7:53] <Blunderbuss> looks like an E4000 is the way to go>
[7:54] <Blunderbuss> *?
[7:54] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: software defined radio
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> I see
[7:54] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: it feeds you i/Q
[7:54] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: you demodulate it in software
[7:54] <tntexplosivesltd> that's awesome
[7:54] <cjbaird> You can also CAD-like design radios with GnuradioCompanion..
[7:54] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: whatever up to 3MHz bandwidth max, i believe
[7:55] <ecto2> thats a wide if you ask me ;)
[7:55] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: so I plugged some random $2 bluetooth dongle into the pi.
[7:55] <ecto2> most ham bands are about that wide
[7:55] <Blunderbuss> so where does one order one of these?
[7:55] <tntexplosivesltd> a_c_r: ghz surely?
[7:55] <a_c_r> dmesg shows the usual stuff.
[7:55] <ecto2> thats the million dollar question
[7:55] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: MHz
[7:55] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r: can't get an interface going?
[7:56] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: i haven't installed any software to deal with it yet
[7:56] <tntexplosivesltd> a_c_r: 1MHz < AM standard freq
[7:56] <tntexplosivesltd> OH
[7:56] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: 3MHz is the bandWIDTH
[7:56] <tntexplosivesltd> bandwidth
[7:56] <tntexplosivesltd> never mind
[7:56] <ecto2> like US 2meter badn is 144-148mhz 4mhz so... yeah 3mhz is wide enough for lots of traffic
[7:57] <a_c_r> tntexplosivesltd: so, if you had an upconverter, you could receive the entire 1MHz AM broadcast spectrum at once
[7:57] <a_c_r> and live demodulate it
[7:57] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[7:57] <Blunderbuss> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Compro-U650F-DVB-T-Stick-Remote/dp/B004ISG8CO ?
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[7:57] <a_c_r> or dump it to a file for later
[7:57] <ecto2> yup
[7:57] <tntexplosivesltd> cool
[7:57] <ecto2> fun stuff
[7:57] <Blunderbuss> is that not what you need?
[7:57] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: needs to be the specific chipset.
[7:58] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: haven't seen that one confirmed either way as of yet
[7:58] <ecto2> read this http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[7:58] <ecto2> and
[7:58] <ecto2> http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
[7:58] <Blunderbuss> ecto2 s link mentioned it
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[7:59] <a_c_r> I'm tempted to just fork over the cash for the Hama Nano from .de
[7:59] <ecto2> http://shop.sysmocom.de/products/eztv666-bulk
[7:59] <ecto2> and them from germany
[7:59] <ecto2> garunteed rtl chipset
[7:59] <ecto2> guaranteed*
[7:59] <a_c_r> yeah... and guaranteed delivery to the states
[8:00] <ecto2> does for sdr what raspberry did for embedded computing
[8:00] <ecto2> oh wow though use them both together would be a trip
[8:00] <a_c_r> ecto2: seriously. This is the most amazing thing I've seen this year for technology
[8:00] <ecto2> aint it
[8:01] <a_c_r> ecto2: yeah. might run into some performance issues, but that is definitely on my radar
[8:01] <a_c_r> (RF pun)
[8:01] <ecto2> im into ham radio so i was looking into ordering a softrock sdr from http://kb9yig.com/
[8:01] <ecto2> but dude is like never in stock when i have money
[8:01] <Blunderbuss> any US sellers for these cool toys?
[8:01] <a_c_r> ecto2: yeah, i was looking at building one with some friends
[8:01] <ecto2> fun stuff
[8:01] <a_c_r> ecto2: to market as a kit
[8:02] <ecto2> im starting to hate soldering though
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[8:02] <a_c_r> ecto2: but this rtlsdr is way more versatile... we just need an upconverter for HF
[8:02] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a deb for quake3?
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[8:02] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: don't know. could send my binaries if you're lazy
[8:03] <ecto2> isnt that the crap quake with like the unreal engine
[8:03] <ecto2> :P
[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, that would be great
[8:03] <ecto2> arena
[8:03] <ecto2> i'd prefer the original quake
[8:03] <a_c_r> ecto2: ditto!
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[8:03] <Blunderbuss> according to deal extreme, the eztv has Receiving frequency: DVBT 48.25~863.25MHz
[8:03] <ecto2> i have it on my xbox ;)
[8:04] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: compressing... how shall I send it over
[8:04] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, dropbox if you've got it
[8:04] <Blunderbuss> RITRedbeard: I'm an alumnus of RIT
[8:04] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: lemme create a new one.
[8:04] <ecto2> http://dx.com/mini-dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-fm-dab-remote-controller-92096
[8:05] <ecto2> thats what i ordered ill let you know if it works when it arrives
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, or any http/ftp thing you've got access to.
[8:05] <ecto2> says "EZTV668"
[8:05] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss & RITRedbeard: I applied to RIT. :-P
[8:05] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r_ what program?
[8:05] <a_c_r> EE/CSE
[8:05] <ecto2> but it wouldnt suprise me if they use that name and send another nameless cheapo dongle
[8:06] <ecto2> Chipset: RTL2832
[8:06] <ecto2> so i guess im set ;)
[8:06] <Blunderbuss> eh, then you can return it? that reddit link suggests its legit
[8:06] <ecto2> disregard prevoius rant
[8:06] <Blunderbuss> I think I'll snag one too
[8:06] <ecto2> 20$ is a dump in the bucket worth a shot
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[8:07] <a_c_r> seriously.
[8:07] <Blunderbuss> I'm currently peeved that a powered hub is required to power the wifi adapter
[8:07] <RITRedbeard__> Strange.
[8:07] <a_c_r> $20 is free compared to what I paid for my wideband receiver and spectrum analyzer
[8:07] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r I had friends in that department. I was Imaging Science, my brother was CS
[8:07] <RITRedbeard__> Blunderbuss, I'm not doing RIT proud, getting my ass kicked.
[8:07] <RITRedbeard__> Oh, okay. :)
[8:08] <Blunderbuss> I was Imaging Science at RIT, that is to say
[8:08] <Blunderbuss> chin up and ditch the WoW and you'll be fine ;)
[8:08] <Blunderbuss> also take sabre fencing
[8:08] <Blunderbuss> lol, it rocks
[8:08] <a_c_r> I ended up at RPI, but pulled the ejection handle after a semester.
[8:08] <a_c_r> Too damn cold.
[8:08] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r I went from Rochester, NY to Tucson, AZ :P
[8:08] <RITRedbeard__> no WoW, man quarter mile was silly past two days
[8:09] <RITRedbeard__> I just had some bad luck
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[8:09] <RITRedbeard__> broke my foot, health probs
[8:09] <a_c_r> I ended up at the University of Texas
[8:09] <RITRedbeard__> procrastination :)
[8:09] <Blunderbuss> oh damn
[8:09] <Blunderbuss> sorry to hear that
[8:10] <RITRedbeard__> Imaging Science is kinda what I did over the summer, I interned with IBM/Ricoh working on their printer stuff.
[8:10] <Blunderbuss> A&M?
[8:10] <Blunderbuss> cool
[8:10] <ecto2> S&M
[8:10] <RITRedbeard__> well, the industry has a lot of stuff in IS
[8:10] <Blunderbuss> Texas A&M I meant haha
[8:10] <Blunderbuss> I'm now a PhD student for Optics at U of Arizona
[8:10] <a_c_r> A&M?
[8:10] <RITRedbeard__> indeed
[8:10] <RITRedbeard__> A&M, baby
[8:11] * a_c_r is confused
[8:11] <a_c_r> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75605255/q3.tar.bz2
[8:11] <RITRedbeard__> Yeah, I study computer science... I haven't been a very good CS student between the mishaps and such.
[8:11] <a_c_r> no idea if this will work
[8:12] <a_c_r> Freekin' EECS people
[8:12] <Blunderbuss> Texas A&M is a school
[8:12] <Blunderbuss> anyway
[8:12] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: any luck with the URL?
[8:12] <RITRedbeard__> pretty goddamn good school for engineering
[8:12] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: That's a stretch.
[8:13] <RITRedbeard__> but alas, I am not an engineer!
[8:13] <RITRedbeard__> well, it used to be?
[8:13] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, sorry, was afk
[8:13] <RITRedbeard__> I'm just a software guy who does the algorithms and makes the abstract machines.
[8:13] <a_c_r> afk?
[8:13] <RITRedbeard__> away frenching kayla
[8:14] <a_c_r> hah. never heard that one.
[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, that works, thanks. Is that all there is to it? just the 11MB?
[8:14] <a_c_r> you'll need the baseq1 directory from the cd
[8:14] <a_c_r> and the latest patch files
[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[8:14] <a_c_r> if you don't do the latest patch files, it'll give you a dumb error
[8:14] <RITRedbeard__> Blunderbuss, always nice to meet someone else who has a good frame of reference of this.. unique.. place
[8:15] <a_c_r> also, i had to chmod 666 /dev/fb0
[8:15] <RITRedbeard__> doing Humans vs. Zombies this week ugh
[8:15] <Blunderbuss> RITRedbeard__: hub still going?
[8:15] <RITRedbeard__> a derivative of it
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[8:15] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: I just tbz2'd the build directory.
[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, it will be a while before I get to test, it will just be nice to have something ready to go when the cable and/or monitor arrives.
[8:15] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: binaries are in the build/rel* directory
[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, I'll figure it out
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[8:17] <a_c_r> ecto2: do you have a url for the one you bought from D?
[8:17] <a_c_r> ecto2: DX
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[8:17] <ecto2> i just posted it a min ago
[8:17] <a_c_r> k
[8:17] * a_c_r scrolls
[8:17] <ecto2> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-fm-dab-remote-controller-92096
[8:18] <Blunderbuss> = new mojang game?
[8:18] <Blunderbuss> as well as an action, I suppose
[8:18] <ecto2> instock
[8:18] <ecto2> says chipset
[8:18] <ecto2> mine shipped like 2-3 days after order
[8:18] <Blunderbuss> why does console font and keymap always take so long?
[8:18] <a_c_r> ecto2: elonics tuner is key... any idea on that?
[8:18] <ecto2> i guess they know people want them, A LOT OF THEM!
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[8:19] <ecto2> i believe thats a e4k chipset yes
[8:19] <Blunderbuss> according to http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ its an E4000 tuner
[8:19] <ecto2> rtl/e4k
[8:19] <a_c_r> perfect.
[8:19] <ecto2> but if it turns out you rip it open and it isnt...
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[8:19] <ecto2> dont be mad at me
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[8:19] <a_c_r> ha
[8:19] <RITRedbeard> Once I have a Raspberry Pi, the ultra low power ultraportable wearable computer with HDMI head mounter display shall be mine!
[8:19] <ecto2> bbl
[8:19] <RITRedbeard> after I pretend I know how to build circuits
[8:19] <RITRedbeard> that work
[8:19] <ecto2> kids want to go swiming
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> tell them
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> tell them what they told gauss
[8:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Do all the boards have a sticker saying 'SC888' or is 888 the number of the board or something?
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> find the sum of all the numbers 1 to 100
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> then they can go swimming
[8:21] <Blunderbuss> everyone buying the DX usb receiver should exchange twitter or email or something
[8:21] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: no idea what the SC888 means
[8:21] <Blunderbuss> so we can collaborate
[8:21] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, so it's the same number on all?
[8:21] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: most of us are on reddit and ##rtlsdr
[8:22] <Blunderbuss> I am RBlunderbuss on reddit
[8:22] <a_c_r> well, the top number
[8:22] <a_c_r> dunno about the longer one
[8:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah damn.... I thought I got a nice round number
[8:22] <ShiftPlusOne> the bottom one is the date of manufacture followed by number manufactured that day I am guessing
[8:22] <ShiftPlusOne> 2012 03 17 0165
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> wait?
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> we talking about the SDR breakthrough?
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> cool stuff
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> didn't someone generate rainbow tables to GSM a while ago?
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> :)
[8:24] <ecto2> ##rtlsdr
[8:24] <a_c_r> RITRedbeard: I think its considerably more difficult than that
[8:24] <Blunderbuss> well what the heck, I jumped on board
[8:24] <Blunderbuss> for $20 I might as well give it a shot
[8:24] <Blunderbuss> even though I don't know why an SDR is useful except for the cool factor
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> radio is weird, the SDR ranges
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> it makes you think... you take a lot for granted, lotsa stuff being sent around
[8:25] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: *lots* of uses
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> controlling drones
[8:25] <swp__> Morning all
[8:25] <a_c_r> Want to dump the binary out of a car keyless entry or garage door opener?
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> over long range radio
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> :)
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> a_c_r, I love you.
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> But, uh, platonically.
[8:26] <a_c_r> Radio is awesome.
[8:26] <RITRedbeard> Radio is internet before internet.
[8:26] <RITRedbeard> Being a ham is like the original hacker
[8:26] <ecto2> need a transmitter though
[8:26] <ecto2> to use it
[8:26] <RITRedbeard> truth
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[8:26] <Blunderbuss> so how do we get a transmitter? lol
[8:26] <a_c_r> transmitter for what?
[8:26] <Blunderbuss> another 20$ usb?
[8:26] <ecto2> theres a few sdr tx's
[8:27] <ecto2> not cheap
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> SDR as in rx
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> erm
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> tx
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> I would imagine not
[8:27] <a_c_r> wideband TX?
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[8:27] <RITRedbeard> possible?
[8:27] <ecto2> output stages per band whatnot
[8:28] <a_c_r> uhhhh.
[8:28] <ecto2> i imagine an fpga ...
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[8:28] <a_c_r> i sold my best option for doing that. :-(
[8:28] <Blunderbuss> I imagine you need a softrock or something then
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[8:28] <RITRedbeard> oh
[8:28] <RITRedbeard> well that sucks
[8:28] <ecto2> yar tony parks
[8:28] <ecto2> coolguy
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[8:29] <Blunderbuss> softrock rx/tx kit would work with RPi you think/
[8:29] <Blunderbuss> my dad would love that
[8:29] <RITRedbeard> i can't get into sdr/radio, I have a rule: too many projects/hobbies means time to stop
[8:29] <RITRedbeard> heh
[8:29] <ecto2> kb9yig
[8:29] <RITRedbeard> wait
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[8:29] <RITRedbeard> you in alaska
[8:29] <RITRedbeard> ?
[8:29] <ecto2> if you can compile gnuradio for arm
[8:29] <a_c_r> yig. awesome
[8:29] <a_c_r> kc5ysl
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[8:30] <ecto2> or whatever the pi is still waiting on that too
[8:30] <RITRedbeard> so wait, I'm confused.
[8:31] <RITRedbeard> ecto2 or a_c_r, you guys from alaska
[8:31] <ecto2> no
[8:31] <a_c_r> no
[8:31] <RITRedbeard> I swear those callsigns look familiar
[8:31] <ecto2> thats tony parks call
[8:31] <a_c_r> my call was issued in TX
[8:31] <ecto2> the guy that sells softrock radios
[8:31] <RITRedbeard> christ I think I need some sleep
[8:31] <a_c_r> that is hilarious
[8:32] <a_c_r> that has to be intentional
[8:32] <a_c_r> yig filter
[8:32] <ecto2> ikt
[8:32] <ecto2> fml
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[8:34] <Blunderbuss> so how much work will these rtl chips take to get working on the RPi? a lot?
[8:35] <a_c_r> shouldn't be much more difficult to get working on the PC
[8:35] <_sundar_> which chip in rtl?
[8:35] <a_c_r> compute could be an issue for wider bandwidth analysis
[8:35] <a_c_r> ecto2: bought yet another off of dealextreme... we'll see what happens
[8:36] <_sundar_> Blunderbuss, you gotta compile the driver and put the firmwares to /lib/firmware/.
[8:36] <ecto2> huh cool
[8:36] <Blunderbuss> that sounds exciting and beyond me lol, but I'll figure it out when the time comes
[8:36] <_sundar_> the driver goes somewhere /lib/modules/.
[8:36] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: yeah.
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[8:36] <ecto2> oh yeah compiling gnuradio can be hell
[8:37] <ecto2> i started messing with it recently so im ready when the stick arrives
[8:37] <a_c_r> There is so much interest in this, that I suspect there will be idiot-proof binaries available in time
[8:37] <Blunderbuss> I'll take your binaries later ;)
[8:37] <a_c_r> I got another toy for the pi... hardware h.264 ENcoder
[8:37] <ecto2> ill be sure to hide a trojan in it
[8:37] <Blunderbuss> though then I will need to figure out how to use a binary... >.>
[8:37] <Blunderbuss> hardware encoder? interesting
[8:37] <_sundar_> a_c_r, does it encode h.264?
[8:38] <Blunderbuss> to what purpose?
[8:38] <a_c_r> yep
[8:38] <a_c_r> crusher264 drivers
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[8:38] <Blunderbuss> DVR capabilities?
[8:38] <a_c_r> to encode and stream h.264 off of a camera
[8:38] <_sundar_> a_c_r, with a USB camera as inout?
[8:38] <_sundar_> input*
[8:38] <a_c_r> _sundar_: or a capture device
[8:39] <_sundar_> a_c_r, interfaced through what?
[8:39] <a_c_r> _sundar_: i have some pretty slick PTZ cameras that spit out composite NTSC & S-Video
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[8:39] <Blunderbuss> I recall that the RPi can actually interface directly with a camera, is that so?
[8:39] <a_c_r> Blunderbuss: if you obtain a compatible camera
[8:39] <a_c_r> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/easycap-4-channel-4-input-usb-2-0-dvr-video-capture-surveillance-dongle-11127?item=38
[8:39] <ecto2> i believe its interface is that of a cellular module
[8:40] <a_c_r> ecto2: in terms of data format, yes. In terms of physical connector... i think that's a crapshoot
[8:40] <ecto2> like a strange serial interface
[8:40] <a_c_r> the other issue may be Broadcom doc availability
[8:40] <Blunderbuss> ah ok
[8:40] <Blunderbuss> we need to get those damn docs somehow!
[8:41] <a_c_r> I'm sure it has its uses, but a USB camera is $6
[8:41] <_sundar_> is that only a HDMI out or does it behave as a HDMI-in as well?
[8:41] <ecto2> usb webcams suck though
[8:41] <a_c_r> out only to my knowledge.
[8:41] <ecto2> 15frames at like 640x480 :P
[8:41] <a_c_r> ecto2: agreed.
[8:42] <ecto2> see a dirty webcam of that and its just a blur
[8:42] <ecto2> 8D
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[8:42] <a_c_r> yeah. there are better cameras, but they typically have proprietary drivers. I'm going with KISS. USB composite capture -> YUV -> hardware encoder
[8:42] <a_c_r> hopefully the USB2 bus on the ?? can keep up
[8:43] <ecto2> omfg new pr0n niche extremely high framerates like the kind they use for bullets going through jello
[8:43] <Blunderbuss> ughhh
[8:43] <Blunderbuss> lol
[8:43] <Blunderbuss> that sounds bad
[8:43] <Blunderbuss> just like when the picture quality got too high and suddenly all the girls looked tired and worn out and old
[8:44] <ecto2> 60fps
[8:44] <a_c_r> I need a USB wifi adapter that can do 5ghz
[8:45] <ecto2> isnt that wireless N?
[8:45] <Blunderbuss> thats newer wireless n
[8:45] <a_c_r> wireless n is a spec for both frequencies
[8:45] <Blunderbuss> old n is still 2.4
[8:45] <a_c_r> it can be either/or/both
[8:45] <a_c_r> they're the same standard
[8:45] <Blunderbuss> a_c_r there is a TP-Link adapter that does 5 ghz
[8:46] <a_c_r> I'm thinking something like.... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/high-power-802-11a-n-b-g-300mbps-usb-2-0-wifi-wireless-network-dongle-33188?item=1
[8:46] <Blunderbuss> it might be easy to setup, dunno
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[8:47] <Blunderbuss> whatever sudo apt-get -f install does, I just ran it
[8:47] <a_c_r> Hmmm... I had a dangerous thought.
[8:48] <a_c_r> ahhh, the hammer approach
[8:48] <a_c_r> err.. not really
[8:48] <Blunderbuss> I was missing lsb-core
[8:48] <Blunderbuss> and it told me to!
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[8:56] <Blunderbuss> we need minecraft on the rpi
[8:56] <a_c_r> never played it.
[8:57] <Blunderbuss> ah its fun
[8:57] <Blunderbuss> needs java though
[8:57] <Blunderbuss> probably too hard for the rpi atm
[8:57] <cjbaird> If we're after commercial software, why stop there? Go the full Windows 8.. :P
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[8:58] <a_c_r> java... ewww.
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[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> raspberry pi feels a lot slower than qemu
[9:01] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: doing what?
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> compiling
[9:01] <a_c_r> ahh.
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[9:01] <a_c_r> cross compile?
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I'd normally use sb2, but was just curious how long it would take to compile the kernel on the pi itself
[9:02] <a_c_r> probably not *too* bad
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> it's... pretty bad
[9:02] <a_c_r> the slow is probably your SD, btw
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I was about to say that myself
[9:03] <a_c_r> compiling the kernel is very io intensive.
[9:03] <a_c_r> i need to pop in a fast USB drive and see how it plays
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[9:04] <cjbaird> I once had a 386sx16 with 2.5MB of RAM, that took 14 hours to compile its kernel... so something less than that..
[9:04] <a_c_r> ewww.
[9:04] <cjbaird> (loooooots of swapping :)
[9:04] <a_c_r> never tried linux on a pc that slow
[9:05] <a_c_r> I did compile various BSDs on sun4c
[9:05] <cjbaird> I was there for Day Zero of Linux, back in 1992...
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> wonder how long that 8bit microcontroller someone posted a while ago would take to compile a kernel =O
[9:05] <a_c_r> and even an old decstation 3000
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[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[9:05] <a_c_r> it was emulating arm32, no?
[9:05] <cjbaird> Maybe not surprisingly, that 386sx16 was /stable/ in spite of the lack of RAM...
[9:06] <cjbaird> It could run Emacs18! :D
[9:06] <a_c_r> wow. I don't think my i5 can run emacs.
[9:06] <cjbaird> It bugged me when the OpenWRT people whined that it wasn't worthwhile porting to the routers that had only 8MB of RAM..
[9:07] <a_c_r> it bugs me that they have only 8MB of RAM
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[9:09] <cjbaird> (Of course, more annoying are the fresh-of-the-boat types who spam a forum with "hey guise i have a peice of shit PIII with 256MB can it run linux??!")
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[9:09] <ecto2> lingua
[9:10] <a_c_r> ecto2: did you see the link i posted in ##rtlsdr?
[9:11] <a_c_r> cjbaird: never turn down a good trolling opportunity
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[9:11] <Blunderbuss> hrm, strange
[9:11] <Blunderbuss> when google drive launches, I want to get that working on the RPi
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[9:12] <ShiftPlusOne> damn google.... eventually when we'll be able to load our consciousness onto computers, they'll be hosted by google >=/
[9:13] <cjbaird> ... using GMail as offsite storage is /old/ ... You get more than 5GB, too.
[9:15] <Blunderbuss> I purchase 80 gb for 20$ a year
[9:15] <Blunderbuss> I believe
[9:15] <ecto2> a_c_r: not sure but looks like a picture of one on redits list that is compatible
[9:18] <ecto2> not unheard of for the chipsets in devices to be different from batch to batch
[9:18] <ecto2> only one way to find out
[9:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I remember there being something on linux which used fuse to turn your gmail inbox into storage... which was pretty cool at the time.
[9:20] <a_c_r> ecto2: yeah... thats my thinking too. It looks like the one I ordered off of ebay
[9:21] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: GDrive, i believe
[9:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah sounds right
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[9:22] <ecto2> gmail will do whatever they can to break that now
[9:22] <ecto2> they dont like you using their service like that
[9:22] <ecto2> :P
[9:22] <ShiftPlusOne> meh, dropbox works great anyway.
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[9:22] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: do they charge for "excessive" bandwidth?
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[9:23] <ecto2> i hear megaupload hasnt been charged with a crime yet so his stuff should be returned (they just uber harassed him)
[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I think they disable access to your account if you use it for publishing files for a large number of people
[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I think that's temporary and you can still access your files though
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[9:24] <ecto2> eh just get a group of friends to pool cash together for a monthly vps and set it up to do whatever you need
[9:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I got a nice linode vps going
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[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> where I host xecdesign.com from and use for general screwing around
[9:25] <ecto2> or setup a server from home and realize how slow it is to host stuff for people like i did
[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... especially if your ISP caps you
[9:25] <ecto2> my connection is actually pretty good like 80KB up better than most cable providers i believe
[9:25] <ShiftPlusOne> and blocks imporant ports
[9:26] <ecto2> no blocked ports
[9:26] <ecto2> my provider rocks
[9:26] <ShiftPlusOne> that's because you're not in Australia, I am guessing
[9:26] <ecto2> oh yeah AU has wicked latencies
[9:26] <ShiftPlusOne> over here bandwidth is worth it's weight in gold
[9:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... bad analogy, but still
[9:26] <a_c_r> I'm just curious where I can throw files for public download. I have AWS, but thats per-usage charges
[9:27] <ecto2> doesnt like the whole country get linked through satelite? either that or a fiber cable crossing the sea
[9:27] <ecto2> sat is slow
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> it's fiber
[9:28] <ShiftPlusOne> the important one goes from Sydney to LA, I think
[9:28] <ecto2> but thats cool jsut host more local stuff
[9:28] <ecto2> local to local should be nice depending on ifrastructure
[9:29] <Blunderbuss> cool, I got the RPi running logmein hamachi, and connected to my logmein account
[9:29] <ecto2> bleh hamachi
[9:29] <ecto2> real men use openvpn
[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> When I ran a minecraft server, it was a pain to host locally... everyone else would lag. Had to make sure it was all hosted close to LA.
[9:29] <Blunderbuss> useful because I can always SSH into it even without knowing its IP
[9:29] <Blunderbuss> since I don't pay for static IPs at home
[9:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, great idea.
[9:30] <a_c_r> ecto2: this is going towards XKCD again, but real men use ipesc
[9:30] <a_c_r> ipsec
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[9:30] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[9:30] <a_c_r> but since I'm not "real men" of that sort, I use openvpn or ssh
[9:31] <Blunderbuss> hrm
[9:31] <Blunderbuss> I still have to run a ssh server though
[9:31] <Blunderbuss> right/
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> is openvpn easy to get going?
[9:32] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: relatively
[9:32] <a_c_r> ShiftPlusOne: depends how complex your routing/firewall rules are
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and works fine behind firewalls and routers without port forwarding?
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[9:32] <a_c_r> depends on the firewall
[9:32] <a_c_r> for simple stuff, ssh is king
[9:33] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne , so with hamachi I can always get the IP of the RPi, but it still needs to host an SSH or VNC server to be dealt with, right?
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[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, no idea, haven't tried.
[9:33] <Blunderbuss> hrmmm ok
[9:34] <a_c_r> ecto2: I'm tempted to call up DX and see what it would cost to air freight a pile of RTLSDR sticks
[9:34] <Blunderbuss> to resell? or use in some mad scientist way? :P
[9:35] <a_c_r> resell
[9:35] <ecto2> to connect to the pi well yeah it needs to run a remote service to conenct to ssh being ideal cause you can connect and change its local services
[9:36] <ecto2> over nat it'd need port forwarding otherwise a port forwarded/defirewalled vpn or similair would
[9:36] <ecto2> dx does free shipping acr
[9:36] <ecto2> iirc
[9:36] <ecto2> just takes forever
[9:36] <Blunderbuss> ok so, I need to first get an SSH server going on the RPi then
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, easy enough
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> /etc/init.d/ssh start
[9:37] <ecto2> it would sure help for remote diangostics
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> done
[9:37] <a_c_r> ecto2: yeah. free shipping is great. but I want it now. I figure there are others of a similar mindset.
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> update-rc.d ssh default (I think)
[9:37] <a_c_r> seems i will need to butcher it pretty heavily
[9:38] <ecto2> ssh localhost see if its running
[9:38] <a_c_r> it needs a connector transplant
[9:38] <ecto2> oh yeah i know someone that changed their antenna port
[9:38] <ecto2> cause antenna is everything with radio
[9:38] <a_c_r> it will get SMA immediately.
[9:38] <ecto2> make/break your reception
[9:38] <a_c_r> and I will bust out the metal and shield the crap out of it
[9:39] <a_c_r> plastic just won't work
[9:39] <ecto2> good ground is also good
[9:39] <Blunderbuss> oh we will need to physically mod these things?
[9:39] <Blunderbuss> haha
[9:39] <a_c_r> no
[9:39] <Blunderbuss> ah ok
[9:39] <ecto2> hard with some stuff
[9:39] <a_c_r> if you want to play, it will be fine
[9:39] <a_c_r> i want maximum performance
[9:39] <ecto2> stock rubber ducky should be fine for some stuff
[9:40] <ecto2> local stuff
[9:40] <a_c_r> one of them is going to be a mode S decoder for the air
[9:40] <ecto2> like i have this 50k watt AM station like a mile from me
[9:40] <a_c_r> that one needs to work
[9:40] <Blunderbuss> n00b question : how do I SSH as pi?
[9:40] <a_c_r> ssh pi@ip
[9:40] <ecto2> ssh pi@localhost
[9:41] <Blunderbuss> righto
[9:41] <Blunderbuss> ty
[9:41] <ecto2> ssh -u pi localhost
[9:41] <ecto2> but user@host is paramount
[9:41] <Blunderbuss> ok, I have confirmed it- I can SSH into the RPi through firewalls etc
[9:42] <Blunderbuss> neat
[9:42] <a_c_r> oohhhh... i just had a very good idea.
[9:42] <a_c_r> if I could get the pi to do mode S decoding and then feed it to a custom ipad app
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> and... the kernel is still compiling
[9:46] <a_c_r> Uhg.... 1am here. getting too sleepy to think.
[9:46] <Blunderbuss> same
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just an illusion... after you get past that hurdle you can keep thinking just fine
[9:46] <Blunderbuss> just writing this hamachi tutorial before I forget it all
[9:47] <ecto2> lul hamachi tut
[9:47] <a_c_r> I didn't sleep last night
[9:47] <a_c_r> ~40 hrs of awake
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, are there actually any special steps?
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> a_c_r, would be a shame to break the streak
[9:47] <ecto2> hamachi tut= "run program with user:pass on local and remote sites, done"
[9:48] <ecto2> dont even think you need port forwarding for hamachi
[9:48] <Blunderbuss> well, you need to download the hamachi beta for linux and get it attached to your account
[9:48] <Blunderbuss> mostly you just need to know to run: sudo hamachi -h
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[9:48] <Blunderbuss> but I'm still writing it up for less savvy folk
[9:48] <a_c_r> If you want a fun project, do a 6-to-4 tunnel for your pi
[9:49] <ecto2> if they are less savy than that they need to pay me to do their computer work
[9:49] <ecto2> dont hear me asking them how to execute solataire
[9:50] <ecto2> everyone seems to know how that works
[9:50] <a_c_r> oh.... that's easy.
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[9:50] <a_c_r> i believe its something like "sudo rm -rf /;solitaire"
[9:50] <Blunderbuss> ha
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[9:50] <Blunderbuss> well I'm noob enough that I had to look up how to install a .deb file
[9:50] <Blunderbuss> so I figured some might want a tutorial
[9:50] <ecto2> dpkg -i pkgz/deb
[9:51] <ecto2> pkg.deb
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[9:51] <ecto2> god forbid the internet stops working one day
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[9:52] <ecto2> omfg does this cake mix need one cup or two? how many ounces are in a cup!?!? wheres my gun! goodbye world
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> The collective perceived IQ of the world would probably halve.
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> (and there is a relevant XKCD, but I cbf finding it)
[9:52] <ecto2> that was a funny southpark episode on the subject
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> http://xkcd.com/903/
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> sure I can
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[9:58] <Blunderbuss> oook
[9:58] <Blunderbuss> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/setup-logmein-hamachi-for-ssh-access-behind-firewalls-etc#p69490
[9:59] <Blunderbuss> there y'all go
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[9:59] <Blunderbuss> though likely if you're here you can figure this out easily
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, where is the pretty formatting? >=/
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[10:00] <Blunderbuss> what pretty formatting?
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
[10:00] <Blunderbuss> I mean, what are you looking for?
[10:01] <Blunderbuss> color and stuff? or code boxes or what?
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> you know... some blockquotes. code tags, bold, italic fonts.... animated gifs, scrolling text, 'under construction signs', <hr>... midi playing in the background and so on
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[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> here are some ideas http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/gorgeous-websites-from-the-late-90s-to-inspire-you-if-you-have-no-taste.html
[10:03] <a_c_r> hrmm.... <marquee>
[10:03] <Blunderbuss> haha
[10:03] <Blunderbuss> I need the tiled gif starfield background
[10:04] <Blunderbuss> and the little yellow animated sign with someone digging
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[10:04] <Blunderbuss> well, truth is it's 1am and I'm lazy and don't really know how to do that stuff!
[10:04] <Blunderbuss> code tags sound like a good first step though
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guilty of having those websites =(, but in my defense I was 12
[10:04] <Blunderbuss> haha yes
[10:05] <Blunderbuss> [code] [/code] or something?
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> idn, isn't there a WYSIWYG editor?
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... almost forgot.... comic sans
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[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> should be a default consolefont on the pi... 'cause it's for kids and all.
[10:07] <Blunderbuss> worst font ever
[10:07] <Blunderbuss> my consolefont and keymap are the slowest part of boot it seems
[10:07] <a_c_r> haha
[10:07] <a_c_r> comic sans in the firmware
[10:07] <a_c_r> total winner there
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[10:10] <Blunderbuss> to make it worse, use a yellow background and blue font
[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> probably an image they should release on april fools next year
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[10:13] <Blunderbuss> ok so- omxplayer
[10:13] <Blunderbuss> anyone got a binary?
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[10:13] <Blunderbuss> or for xmbc?
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like a no
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[10:18] <Blunderbuss> indeed
[10:18] <Blunderbuss> I'll compile overnight I guess
[10:19] <Blunderbuss> doing another sd card backup while things still function as intended
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> get a cross-compiling setup going.... compiling natively is a lot slower than I thought it would be.
[10:19] <Blunderbuss> never cross-compiled befpre
[10:19] <Blunderbuss> *before
[10:20] <Blunderbuss> I do have an ubuntu VM on my laptop
[10:20] <a_c_r> yeah. cross compile.
[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[10:20] <a_c_r> i need to set up
[10:20] <a_c_r> but another time. G'nite folks
[10:20] <Blunderbuss> later
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[10:22] <Blunderbuss> interesting
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[10:22] <Blunderbuss> then I end up with .deb files to install on the RPi? or I need to copy the rootfs back over?
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[10:29] <Blunderbuss> hey how do you get ssh to start on boot again? and how about other services?
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[10:48] <Mowee> Morning
[10:49] <Blunderbuss> anyone notice an issue with HDMI flickering? sometimes flashes pink, or text doubles
[10:49] <chickey> Morning
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[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, use update-rc.d to add ssh to the default runlevel
[11:00] <Blunderbuss> k
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[11:00] <Blunderbuss> ty
[11:00] <Blunderbuss> last question - get wicd-curses to automatically reconnect to my home AP?
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't use wicd
[11:01] <Blunderbuss> k
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> but check if wicd is in /etc/init.d
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> if it is, add it to the default runlevel as well and that would work
[11:02] <Blunderbuss> how do you add stuff to the default run level/
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> using update-rc.d ....
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> update-rc.d ssh defaults
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> for ssh
[11:03] <Blunderbuss> great tyvm
[11:03] <Blunderbuss> sry very tired here, bed time for me as well
[11:03] <Blunderbuss> thanks for the help
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[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
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[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> kernel still compiling... goddamit
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> next up... openoffice
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[11:23] <techman2> afternoon
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[11:30] <haltdef> keep on missing calls from what google says is farnell
[11:30] <Davespice> good morning folks
[11:30] <haltdef> not sure why, only ever registered interest, no order
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[11:32] <blue_k> +ShiftPlusOne: Use Libreoffice instead
[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd be stupid to use either on raspberry pi
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I've been using libreoffice... not a fan of oracle
[11:34] <blue_k> Well, if you need a full office suite, then I guess you will need to use one on it. If you don't, I wouldn't bother with it then.
[11:34] <blue_k> IIRC Oracle killed OpenOffice, and apache sort of took it over, but hasen't done anything with it.
[11:34] <blue_k> So OpenOffice is really dead.
[11:35] <Davespice> can anyone suggest some advice? I have my Pi connected to a 1440x900 monitor using a HDMI to DVI cable and I am seeing a few corrupt pixels here and there on the screen flickering randomly
[11:36] <Davespice> previously tested the Pi on a 1080p monitor and TV and was fine, so I think it's the monitor - but wondering if it may be something to do with driving DVI at a lower res
[11:36] <blue_k> IIRC I saw someone a few hours ago say something simillar, don't know how to help you though.
[11:36] <blue_k> About corrupt pixels
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[11:37] <Davespice> thanks I'll keep trying
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[12:02] <hetOrakel> what a strange comment about openoffice
[12:02] <hetOrakel> Neither the release of LibreOffice (Oct 2010), nor the move to the ASF servers (Oct 2011) have changed anything for the activity.
[12:02] <hetOrakel> [/quote]
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[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean by 'for the activity'?
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[12:16] <Etac_Sufbo> Anyone here from Hong Kong or Shanghai
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[12:26] <shirro> Etac_Sufbo: There has been a Hong Kong person on here in the past. Can't remember their name.
[12:26] <Etac_Sufbo> ok thanks
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[12:27] <shirro> Well, he was living in Hong Kong. I think he was from eastern europe or something. I can't remember
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[12:29] <shirro> Actually I think there have been a few people on here from China. Check the logs.
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[12:29] <shirro> Unless you are the secret police or something :-)
[12:30] <hetOrakel> its the forum activiy, it was a quote from the apache-ooo site there are stats about solved forum
[12:30] <hetOrakel> link: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=46497
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[12:30] <hetOrakel> it says nothing about the development, but it shows the user-activity has not decreased
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[12:31] <shirro> OpenOffice is dead, dead, dead.
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah well yeah, I'd expect that. Unless you're a fan of something you rarely register on a forum for the hell of it. And if you registered on a forum it will take you a while to switch to libreoffice. I'd like to see how many distros are switching to libreoffice and how many people use libreoffice instead of openoffice. Forum statistics mean nothin in this case.
[12:32] <hetOrakel> yeah right, distro switching to libreoffice is like MS forcing everyone to use MSOffice
[12:33] <shirro> The number of distros that still use OpenOffice would be about the same as those that still use XFree86 soon I reckon.
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[12:33] <hetOrakel> and would that make LO better, or more in developent?
[12:34] <hetOrakel> i hate it because ubuntu forced me into it. Trashed ubuntu two months after that because of the unity interface bullshit
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[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> sure.... I think ubuntu will die out much like openoffice
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[12:36] <techman2> hey shirro
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[12:36] <techman2> pi arrived yet?
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[12:38] <shirro> Ubuntu has damaged itself I am sure. I actually don't think Unity is that bad an idea and the implementation is improving. I don't understand why people moan instead of just reconfiguring their system
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> shirro: The problem is generally that at some point if you don't moan, the ability to reconfigure the system easily goes away.
[12:38] <shirro> techman2: no. bloody sacred national holiday remember.
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> because they're making it moe and more difficult
[12:38] <ShiftPlusOne> *more
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> For example - ~kernel 2.6.32ish - I diddn't bitch loudly because the wifi card I was using had power saving code in the kernel disabled, as it was easy to fix - a one line fix in the makefile.
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> However - a couple of minor versions on, the power saving code was pulled entirely.
[12:41] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: The idea of Ubuntu is to be a competitor to Windows and OS X (tending to OS X). It is supposed to be polished, not flexible They need to make choices. They can be like EVERY other distro and be confusing for new users, or they can take be a bit opinionated and make some choices for users. It isn't like people can't switch. Everytime Ubuntu pisses a user off I think they are making some progress. The trouble is it might all be
[12:41] <shirro> slow to get the mainstream folk before they all switch to mobile anyway
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, I'd agree up until unity. My mum was happily using ubuntu and she's computer illitirate
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> until she updated
[12:42] <techman2> shirro: yes I was well aware of that when I was getting out of bed at 4:50am :P
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> then I started getting phone calls >=/
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Installed linuxmint and we're back to normal
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't call unity a good interface for new users, but I may be wrong.
[12:43] <shirro> techman2: What I don't get is why people can't get up and do the dawn service, have their cup of tea, then deliver my fscking mail!
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I know there are times when companies need to make unpopular decisions to make progress, I just don't think unity was one of them.
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[12:45] <techman2> shirro: in our case it was dawn service then bacon and egg rolls
[12:45] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: It was released too early and it was conceived when netbooks were popular. Nobody likes netbooks anymore. We all want tablets. Unity does nothing for tablets or a big screen. Most of the design ideas came from the netbook remix. That is the real problem
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[12:46] <shirro> I am seriously thinking about how to build a system for the Pi to piss people off even more than Unity. I just don't have the time or skills I think.
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds right... though I wouldn't say we all want tablets... or that a desktop, a tablet and a netbook should all use the same distro....
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, as per the discussion earlier, comic sans being the compiled-in console font would be a good start
[12:48] <techman2> lol
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[12:48] <techman2> I loathe that font.
[12:48] <shirro> Teachers would love that.
[12:49] <shirro> Seriously though. If you want to talk to teachers on their level, use Comic Sans.
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[12:49] <cjbaird> Netbsd.org's April Fools joke this year was announcing that Comic Sans was available as a console font. :)
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> lol really? did they actually release it or just announce it?
[12:50] <techman2> did you get any tracking info for your pi shirro?
[12:51] <shirro> I should get my 4yo to design a font with a crayon and call it Clown Sans Mono.
[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[12:51] <cjbaird> http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/prettifying_the_netbsd_console
[12:51] <shirro> tracking. hah!
[12:52] <shirro> auspost! it is probably hiding in someones attic.
[12:52] <techman2> oh noes!
[12:52] <techman2> not aus post!
[12:52] <cjbaird> Of course, it'll be left at your front door the whole day while you're away at work/school...
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm "Some dyslexic people find that Comic Sans is one of the more readable of the commonly-available Windows fonts, and we have used it on this web site in the past. Others find it too bold, too childish or too informal."
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[12:53] <shirro> cjbaird: no such luck. stuck at home with kids while wifey works.
[12:53] <shirro> "Danger High Voltage" is a sign that should NEVER be written in Comic Sans.
[12:53] <cjbaird> Dyslexics using command-line Unix... maybe not such a great idea. :)
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> rofl
[12:54] <techman2> cjbaird: they do that when they deliver stuff here, they usually dump it at the door and then put our mat on top of it.
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[12:54] <shirro> Wait how do you spell creat() again?
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> some great comments in the discussion section there
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[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> "As a long time dyslexia sufferer, I am 001% behind this!"
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[12:58] <hetOrakel> Unity sucks. That's my opinion
[12:58] <hetOrakel> and for every device another distro is not my kind of thing
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[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> at the very least, a different interface
[12:59] <cjbaird> Ubuntu, Firefox, et.al., are now top-heavy with 'Suits' who're there to play with the hundreds of millions of dollars brought in, and who don't actually use the product...
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[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know how true that is, but they do seem to have lost touch with the community
[13:00] <hetOrakel> an interface easy to chose would be nice
[13:00] <cjbaird> "omg! We can make another 500Mil if we brand it all as Ubuntufox, and sell it to the Facebook Kim Kardasian Crowd!!11"
[13:01] <hetOrakel> and with that, a complete removal of a interface i realy dislike with ONE CLICK ;)
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> hetOrakel, in that sense windows 8 might be onto something
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[13:02] <cjbaird> The Mozilla Foundation gets in about 55-65 million dollars a year, of which only ~2 Million is actually spent on the programmers...
[13:02] <shirro> FFS you load lxde on Ubuntu with a single apt-get and you can switch to it at the login prompt. How lazy are people?
[13:02] <hetOrakel> What is that Windows. No swearing allowed here!
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[13:02] <cjbaird> ...and last year, they had the hide to whinge that Firefox needed moar donations...
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, lxde is kinda meh, but I think it's more about supporting the distro by using it...
[13:03] <hetOrakel> i'm back to debian
[13:04] <shirro> hetOrakel: Good! You should be using Debian anyway if you have outgrown Ubuntu.
[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, debian is quite nice. I like linuxmint debian build... it has that ubuntu polish to it, but the relative minimalism of debian.
[13:05] <hetOrakel> i started with debian
[13:05] <hetOrakel> and thought ubuntu was easy and nice for my laptop
[13:05] <hetOrakel> but than it brought me unity
[13:05] <hetOrakel> it lasted max 2 months ;)
[13:06] * cjbaird plans to form an RPi Illuminati, so ensure the Foundation follows the One True Path...
[13:06] <hetOrakel> i really tried it
[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[13:06] <shirro> Wow. You must be the only Debian user who doesn't know how to re-configure Gnome.
[13:06] <hetOrakel> huh?
[13:06] <shirro> It isn't like Unity can't be removed.
[13:06] <hetOrakel> id didn't want to
[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, why so against ubuntu bashing?
[13:07] <hetOrakel> i dislike it, dislike the choice ....and are a bit lazy ;)
[13:07] <shirro> Because every time someone tries to do something to make Linux a success a bunch of retro whingers come out of the woodwork and complain.
[13:07] <hetOrakel> are=am
[13:07] <cjbaird> My 'desktop environment': .xinitrc: xhost + $(HOSTS); gnome-settings-daemon & ; exec sawfish :P
[13:07] <shirro> It isn't like the old stuff goes away. We are free to fork
[13:08] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, time will tell, but do you actually think unity will make linux more 'popular'?
[13:08] <cjbaird> A lot of nice working utilities I liked were gtk1 based... :/
[13:08] <hetOrakel> no one! not a single user, coming from windows willl like unity
[13:09] <shirro> I don't think Unity will make Linux more popular. I think they made some bad choices. But at least they tried.
[13:09] <zleap> having tried it, i find unity very useable
[13:09] <shirro> zleap: I do too. But anything is good coming from a Mac
[13:09] <hetOrakel> having tried it, i realy dislike it, but i keep repeating it now ;)
[13:10] * mjr dislikes unity, but can see it working for others' use scenarios. Anyway it's not like Ubuntu forces me to unity.
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, I like that they tried as well... I think the problem is the way in which they tried. I think unity has its' uses and may be a nice option to have for some people.... but making it a default... come on.
[13:10] <cjbaird> "gtm", the gnome transfer manager, has been the only one I've found worth using.. But one person's "stable", is another weenie's "omg unsupported! get rids of it!"
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[13:12] <shirro> Unity is the thinest little shell on top of the OS. It is trivial to remove. I don't see the problem. The scary stuff happens when a PulseAudio or systemd is introduced because if they don't work it is a nightmare.
[13:12] <hamitron> biggest problem I have, is everyone following the crowd, having to latch onto certain stuff.... often the newest latest stuff
[13:12] <hamitron> :/
[13:13] <hamitron> if more didn't follow blindly, there'd be more choice
[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, why bother removing it if you can get a distro which does it right to begin with?
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[13:13] <hetOrakel> or gives you the choice upon install
[13:14] <hamitron> ubuntu only have unity when you install ubuntu-desktop anyway?
[13:14] <hamitron> has*
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[13:15] <shirro> Sure. But I keep the same OS on my computers for years. I am not going to change them for something trivial. Ubuntu/Debian has dozens of window managers and launchers. I am not going to go hating Ubuntu because it has become trendy.
[13:16] <hetOrakel> ok, are there pi-insiders in here?
[13:17] <shirro> sometimes
[13:17] <hamitron> this next version of ubuntu will be my first taste of unity, kind of excited to try something different
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, I assure you we all hated unity before we found out nobody else liked it either.
[13:17] <hetOrakel> when will the next batch be available
[13:17] <hetOrakel> ?
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not about trendiness... it's just what it is
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> hetOrakel, it's not exactly going in batches, but they said that people who order now can expect a july delivery
[13:18] <shirro> i don't hate Unity. The keyboard shortcuts are nice and logical and I find it reasonably productive.
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[13:18] <hamitron> bbl, food
[13:18] <hetOrakel> and where can i order? i am still getting the "register interrest" screen
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, well let the rest of us bitch in peace! geez... haters these days...
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> =p
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[13:19] <hetOrakel> i go with ShiftPlusOne
[13:19] <shirro> I like dragging a window to the edge of the screen to tile it half screen. It matches what I do on the damned Mac. i like the lack of clutter.
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> hetOrakel, rs or element14?
[13:19] <hetOrakel> duh ;) i check every day
[13:19] <shirro> hetOrakel: find a pi owner and mug them
[13:19] <hetOrakel> :D
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean which one would you rather order from... and where are you located?
[13:20] <hetOrakel> i can/would order anywhere
[13:20] <shirro> seriously it is the only way you will get one before June if you haven't ordered/registered already
[13:20] <hetOrakel> i'm from the Netherlands and registered at both companys
[13:20] <hetOrakel> ies
[13:22] <shirro> Well you should be ok then. The people getting the first 2000 registered in the first few minutes. If you ordered before April 23rd or something you should be getting one in the next couple of months I think
[13:22] <ShiftPlusOne> hetOrakel, I don't see a local farnell distributor for you... what's the closest one?
[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> http://export.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185
[13:23] <hetOrakel> huh? there's farnell.nl -> nl.farnell.com can the site is even in dutch
[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> http://nl.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185
[13:24] <hetOrakel> realy stupid!
[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> what's stupid?
[13:24] <hetOrakel> when i use the search feature i get the "register interrest page" ONLY
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I had to do the search on element14 australia, then copy the end of the url onto nl.farnell.com to get it to show up
[13:25] <hetOrakel> thanks for the link, delivery-time 135 days
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> the delivery time doesn't mean anything other than "we haven't got a clue"
[13:26] <shirro> It said that for ours until Monday. ShiftPlusOne has his and mine is in the mail
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> actually mine wait straight from 'backorder' to 'completed'
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> no estimates given
[13:27] <shirro> I never got an estimate either. Mine went to processing then completed. The only date we had was the 143 to new stock
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[13:30] <shirro> When did you register?
[13:30] <hetOrakel> ordered!
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> 'gratz
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> now sit and wait for several months + any unexpected delays
[13:31] <shirro> hetOrakel: Did you register with either earlier. Because you could also get an offer by email next month for the next batch. Still it feels nice to order. I was pissed off that RS started with the register page.
[13:32] <hetOrakel> Ok, than i have 2 units?
[13:32] <hetOrakel> nice!
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[13:33] <shirro> Yeah, I wish I hadn't got pissed off and had registered with RS. I waited a week because I had a farnell order. didn't think about the second Pi
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[13:33] <hetOrakel> i registered 22 apr (at farnell and RS)
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[13:34] <hetOrakel> i checked both sites multiple times and decided 22nd registering would be the only way to get it fast
[13:34] <hetOrakel> "fast" Whoehaa!
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[13:36] <hetOrakel> going for 3 units: set up a pi-grid ;)
[13:36] <shirro> yeah. registering just felt wrong to me. I had my credit card ready waiting for the store to open. I gave RS nasty feedback before I realised they were the key to a second Pi.
[13:36] <shirro> the official term is bramble
[13:37] <shirro> braamstruik?
[13:37] <hetOrakel> yep or just braam
[13:37] <hetOrakel> what does it mean?
[13:38] <shirro> A raspberry bush bascially
[13:38] <lennard> huh?
[13:38] <hetOrakel> yeah, but what do YOU mean in this context
[13:39] <hetOrakel> oooooooooooooh! i'm stupid!
[13:39] <hetOrakel> my pi-grid = my bramble
[13:39] <shirro> yep
[13:39] <hetOrakel> not native EN ;)
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[13:40] <shirro> was the translation correct or doesn't it make sense?
[13:40] <hetOrakel> absolutely correct, still thinking the wrong way
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[13:41] <hetOrakel> repfrase: i still kept thinging the wrong way, didn't get why you introduced fruit and bushes
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[13:42] <shirro> You were thinking Pi not raspberry :-)
[13:42] <hetOrakel> ??
[13:43] <lennard> so a pi-cluster is more of a collection of complex numbers? :P
[13:43] <hetOrakel> or rpig
[13:44] <hetOrakel> what kinda pig? an rpig
[13:44] <shirro> a pi cluster is irrational
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[13:46] <hetOrakel> why? it's the cheapest way to build physical grid
[13:46] <Ben64> costs more and does less than an actual computer
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It depends.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: In terms of certain memory-bound tasks, that's not true
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> In general, I agree.
[13:47] <shirro> pi is een irrationeel getal
[13:48] <hetOrakel> so, i ordered one for ???38. three of them makes ???114. I can't buy a computer for that money
[13:48] <hetOrakel> ;)
[13:48] <Ben64> yes you could
[13:49] <Ben64> not a new one, but it'd still have more performance than 3x pi
[13:49] <shirro> It runs povray faster than a $150 arm computer but that is an insane edge case.
[13:49] <Ben64> heh povray
[13:51] <hetOrakel> and when you're not interested in performance, but the grid concept itself
[13:51] <shirro> Yeah, there are a couple of boards around $150 with Cortex A8 which you can beat with a Pi on FP if you choose the right benchmark. It is obviously slower for almost anything that counts. Except perhaps GPU stuff.
[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone seen the review linked by the r-pi twitter?
[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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[13:56] <hetOrakel> Ben64: yes i could, but not three of them
[13:56] <shirro> wow! a good review
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> woo
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> got wireless working
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[13:57] <shirro> what with?
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ish... at least the driver is compiled and loading
[13:58] <hetOrakel> compiled!=working ;)
[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> it loaded the firmware and shows the interface
[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> so that's promising
[13:58] <shirro> how many mA does a wireless dongle draw?
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> No idea
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I think someone said earlier theirs required a powered hub
[14:00] <Hexxeh> even if it's ununusably slow, aura looks awesome on a 42" tv
[14:01] <Hexxeh> *unusably
[14:04] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: if it works without a hub I want to know the model
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> well it's not showing any scan results yet, so that's a bad sign
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[14:07] <Hexxeh> compiling a compiler to compile a compiler
[14:07] <Hexxeh> yo dawg i heard you like compilers
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[14:10] <hetOrakel> arch! the order is cancelled
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> why?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> is there current limiting on the pi? I mean if you have a high power supply and connect 50 usb devices, will you burn your pi?
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[14:12] <hetOrakel> i don't know how to translate it, but i'm not allowed to pay afterwards
[14:12] <Hexxeh> if you enabled hardening compiler options does that translate to slower code generally?
[14:12] <Veryevil> Looks liek the USB ports are limited to 140ma
[14:12] <Veryevil> just to F1 and f2
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[14:12] <Veryevil> Due to F1 & F2
[14:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> you cannot draw more than 280ma from the RPI's ports - the internal poly fuse will blow
[14:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you have a powered hub then you can pull as muich as the hub can do
[14:13] <Veryevil> you can if you remove F1 & F2 and joint them
[14:13] <hetOrakel> they check my "credit"? with another company that does not have any information about my company!
[14:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ you probly will mely your RPi then
[14:14] <Veryevil> Why would it melt it?
[14:14] <shirro> Hexxeh: I think it depends on the options. Most of it is probably negligible if the code is written correctly.
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[14:15] <hetOrakel> heheh!! they called me again, the order is back on! they gave me credit ;) for it. but, expected delivery: sep-2012 :(
[14:16] <shirro> Hexxeh: I have been reading stuff like http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/CompilerFlags?action=show&redirect=CompilerFlags trying to figure this stuff out. Let me know if you learn something
[14:16] <IT_Sean> Veryevil: The fuses are there to prevent you pulling too much current thru the pi. If you bypass them, you will be drawing an amount of current that the components of the pi are not meant to handle. Things will go poof
[14:16] <Hexxeh> shirro: will do
[14:17] <shirro> So you can't power a Pi from a Pi from a Pi. Because smoke would come out.
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[14:17] <IT_Sean> No, you would trip the poly fuse if you draw too much
[14:17] <Veryevil> the current doesnt come through the PI
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> Veryevil: what are you talking about?
[14:18] <Veryevil> its just the 5v rail
[14:18] <hetOrakel> So you can't power a Pi from a Pi from a Pi. <- because you don't have 3 of them :D
[14:18] <Veryevil> so itsentirely dependant on your 5v power supply
[14:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> just remember electrickery is llike water
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> Veryevil: the +5V rail of the pi?
[14:18] <Veryevil> yeah
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> or the USB ports?
[14:19] <Veryevil> check the schematic
[14:19] <tntexplosivesltd> I have not seen a schematic
[14:19] <Veryevil> the 5v line on the usb ports go through the poly fuse to the 5v input
[14:19] <shirro> Nothin on the Pi even uses 5v does it?
[14:19] <Veryevil> no
[14:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[14:19] <Veryevil> but you power it with 5v from your phone charger or what ever you are uaing
[14:20] <Veryevil> Im just looking at what would need to be done with the PRTCTL pins on the LAN9512
[14:20] <shirro> When the 5v rail is glowing it is probably time to stop
[14:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> probably wise to stop before then
[14:21] <Veryevil> the only limiting factors are your input power supply current rating and the track width of the 5v rail on the board
[14:21] <Veryevil> if F1 and F2 are removed
[14:22] <shirro> Veryevil: what is PRTCTL?
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[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a way to see how much current is being drawn without cutting up wires?
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> and without one of those clampey current measuring thing
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> s
[14:22] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, I wonder why they limit the current to 280mA
[14:22] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: only if you can measure voltage drop across some known resistance
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: not really
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[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> is shorting one of the fuses and measuring the current though there a bad idea?
[14:23] <Veryevil> shorting it wont work
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[14:23] <Veryevil> you need to remove it
[14:23] <tntexplosivesltd> there must be a good reason they do it
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[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, why is that?
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ ask on the forums
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> 'limit the current to 280ma' - huh?
[14:24] <Veryevil> to measure current you must be in series with tthe flow or measure the voltage across a known resistance
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Or measure the magnetic field.
[14:24] <Veryevil> on AC currents yes
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> DC too
[14:25] <IT_Sean> Or lick it, and see how it tastes
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> - though it's harder
[14:25] <Veryevil> sorry yes you can
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[14:25] <ecto2> be the circuit nanananananananananananana
[14:25] <tntexplosivesltd> instantaneous mag. field
[14:25] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[14:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, the fuse itself has almost no resistance ither then?
[14:25] <Veryevil> its a fuse it wont have until it "blows"
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: it has a fair bit of resistance, especially after the first trip.
[14:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah makes sense
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: Polyfuses suck.
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> It'll be of the order of .1 ohms
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, so then measuring current across it would short it and show something which is close enough to the actual current then?
[14:26] <Veryevil> still something might have to be done with D10 & D11
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> - but it's not closely defined
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Simply cut open a USB cable
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Job done
[14:26] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: you can't measure current across, it's current through =P
[14:27] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, well the probes would be across it I meant.
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> heh kinda
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> you'd have to remove it
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> otherwise the current is flowing through the fuse and not your meter to be measured
[14:28] <shirro> The Pi is too fiddly and small. Mod a cable
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> eeasiest thing to do yes
[14:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that's what I thought until SpeedEvil said the fuse has a fair bit of resistance... but then he said 0.1 ohms
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[14:28] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I don't want to remove any fuses obviously
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> and they're small
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> annoying to get to
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[14:30] <ShiftPlusOne> well I am getting wpa_supplicant connected... no luck with dhclient yet though
[14:30] <Veryevil> THe Fuses are two of the biggest discreet components lol
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[14:31] <hetOrakel> mod the cable -> why not connect up a triple connector to power the pi's
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray.... sshed into pi through wireless
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[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, the chipset is RT5370
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[14:32] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: =D
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[14:33] <shirro> is that one of those real little ones?
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe the chipset is actually rt2870.... either way.... lsusb shows RT5370, but the firmware is rt2870.bin
[14:33] <shirro> got a link to a shop?
[14:33] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: one of the "edimax" ones?
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> edimax?
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> guess that's a no
[14:34] <ShiftPlusOne> probably
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> I got a tiny edimax wifi chip
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> "Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]"
[14:35] <Guest19825> dos a list exist with all recently supported and tested wifi chipsets?
[14:35] <Guest19825> *does
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[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I saw something like that on the wiki
[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[14:36] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: brand/model. half the stuff overseas is hard to get. if you got it locally i want details.
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a noname
[14:37] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: I have the same adapter as shown here: https://twitter.com/#!/iamBaird/status/194446100550266880/photo/1
[14:37] <Guest19825> thanks
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[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, how does that work?
[14:38] <shirro> tntexplosivesltd: love that photo
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[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: no idea
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> don't have a pi
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> never tried it on my PC
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> bought it to steal net from local free net
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[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> but then they closed down
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[14:42] <shirro> would be nicer if it was a bluetooth for keyboard/mouse instead of sandisk storage
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> oh yeah, where the hell did my tiny bt adapter go?
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> well that's kinda annoying
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> owel
[14:43] <hetOrakel> you don't need bt for keyb+mouse when wifi works ;)
[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> well, it's more convenient
[14:43] <shirro> Wedge a Pi behind a telly with a small bt and wifi. Wonder how many mA a Samsung tv usb can supply (I think I know the answer sadly)
[14:44] <hetOrakel> shirro: and the storage?
[14:44] <shirro> SD Card and network
[14:44] <hetOrakel> network boot over wifi ?
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: we have a dedicated HTPC, it's mean
[14:44] <shirro> Pi only boots from SD card
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> it can get pretty hot at times though
[14:44] <Matt> netbooting over wifi is difficult at the best of times, on any platform
[14:45] <tntexplosivesltd> XBMC seems to be kinda resource hungry
[14:45] <hetOrakel> bt+wifi+storage = 1 usb short
[14:45] <tntexplosivesltd> sub bt for kb
[14:45] <shirro> hetOrakel: SD card for boot and root. Network share for media files
[14:45] <tntexplosivesltd> don't need a mouse
[14:46] <tntexplosivesltd> network share over wifi for media is too slow
[14:46] <hetOrakel> bt or kb still 3, => one short
[14:46] <tntexplosivesltd> esp for 1080p
[14:46] <tntexplosivesltd> hetOrakel: you'd use net storage
[14:47] <hetOrakel> pi doesn't boot from net
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[14:47] <Hexxeh> didn't somebody get NFS boot working?
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> it boots from the SD card
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> you don't need USB storage
[14:47] <hetOrakel> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! stupid me again
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Hexxeh: no idea =/
[14:47] <shirro> hetOrakel: not boot. But you can mount nfs root. No real reason I can see
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[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: tab complete fail?
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> almost did the same
[14:48] <hetOrakel> is forgot the sd-card => because of the sandisk in the twitpic ;)
[14:49] <shirro> usb is faster/more convenient perhaps. lots of people will use usb storage but you have to boot from sd card
[14:50] <tzarc> forgot to get an SD card too, and it's a public holiday today so nothing's open :(
[14:50] <tntexplosivesltd> tzarc: what holiday?
[14:50] <shirro> tzarc: anzac day?
[14:50] <tzarc> yep
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[14:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ah same here =P
[14:50] <shirro> sucks. my Pi is stuck in the post office somewhere
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[14:50] <hetOrakel> yep, totally forgot the sd card so bt+wifi+sd=3=2usb+sd-slot
[14:50] <Matt> tzarc: well at least tomorrow isn't far away for you :)
[14:50] <hetOrakel> :D
[14:50] <sykes> shirro: raspberry-Po ?
[14:50] <sykes> :D
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> but surely it's too late for anything to be open anyway?
[14:51] <tzarc> mine arrived on CoB tuesday :P
[14:51] * Matt found a 512MB SD card in a drawer yesterday
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[14:51] <Matt> what do you do with a 512MB card these days?
[14:51] <shirro> tzarc: shithole country town in SA - no chance of next day delivery :-(
[14:51] <tzarc> aww
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[14:52] <shirro> Matt: If it is reduced size MMC some people are trying to get them working because they don't like cards sticking out
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, could use the time to make sure you have all your cables... I got my pi but found that my monitor is VGA and I don't have an RCA cable for the tv =(
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's just ssh so far
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> anyone go to the dawn parade?
[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> though I should get vnc going
[14:53] <shirro> I have stolen wifes hdmi monitor. She can use a laptop until next school report time
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: oh yeah, forgot to mention the other day that I live right next door to jaycar =D
[14:54] <tntexplosivesltd> winning
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[14:54] <tntexplosivesltd> used to live a few doors down from the one in welly too
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> bi-winning
[14:56] <shirro> I lived across the road from a Maccas once. Too tempting
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> take a bowl over and ask for it filled with soft serve?
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> with a hot apple pie
[14:56] <shirro> Damn. We ate soft serve a lot as well.
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> I live a few houses down from maccas =D
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> hardly go though
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> anyone here know about signal processing and sampling rates?
[15:02] <shirro> just the usual
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> the usual
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[15:02] <shirro> 2x
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> what I need to know is why there is an additional frequency component at 1500Hz when a 500Hz sine wave is sampled at 2000Hz
[15:04] <shirro> I am sure it gets more complicated than that. I just know 2x is the minimum
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> I know it has something to do with the fourier transform of a sine wave
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: Draw it out
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: No, it doesn't
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> but I can't really relate the two
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> SocksG: why not?
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: Consider sampling a 50Hz wave at 51Hz
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> * SpeedEvil:
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[15:04] <ShiftPlusOne> which vnc server are people using for pi?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: you are sampling 1/50th of the wave earlier in each case
[15:05] <SocksG> tntexplosivesltd: Why not what?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: What does this mean to the value of the output?
[15:05] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: I need an answer in the timw domain and the frequency domain
[15:05] <tntexplosivesltd> SocksG: sorry typo
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> tntexplosivesltd: Fourier is irrelevant.
[15:05] <SocksG> OK!
[15:06] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: well the fourier transform of a sine wave gives 2 depta functions, one of them negative
[15:06] <tntexplosivesltd> I thought that the negative would result in 2000 - 500 = 1500Hz
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> which seems consistent with all the other tests I did
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> but actually linking them is a bit beyond me
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> and of course FT is relevant
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> There isn't a component at 1500Hz
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> If you do it right
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> going from time to freq. domain
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> SpeedEvil: why's that?
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> "do it right"
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> what do you mean?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> Because the output is only a 500hz sinewave
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> there is no 1500hz component at all.
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> yes there is
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> it's sampled at 2000 Hz
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> err
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> I may have misread
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> not 20,000 =P
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> but even then there's be one at 19500 Hz
[15:09] <tntexplosivesltd> * there'd
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> AFK
[15:09] <shirro> wouldn't you ignore anything over half the sample rate?
[15:09] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: in practice yes
[15:10] <tntexplosivesltd> well, you'd sample at a high-enough rate that the higher frequencies didn't matter
[15:11] <tntexplosivesltd> but this is unfiltered reconstruction
[15:12] <tntexplosivesltd> I seem to be missing some vital link between the negative delta and the sampling - base freq =(
[15:12] <tntexplosivesltd> and I have no idea when it comes to explaining in the time domain
[15:15] <shirro> shit, this is going to sound dumb, but if you can't reliably measure anything less than half the sample frequency shouldn't you chuck it away as bad data or something. (Sorry hung up the engineering knowledge when I dropped out years ago)
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[15:19] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: well when reconstructing you band limit the signal between (-fs/2,fs/2)
[15:19] <tntexplosivesltd> but we're looking at why
[15:20] <shirro> ok. so it isn't a practical thing. your just rediscovering Nyquist
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> well not really
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> that's part of iy
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> * it
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> oh I see, I can do the time-domain explanation
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> yay
[15:21] <shirro> bah, sounds like homework. dropped out for a reason
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> but not the freq. domain =(
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: looool
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> it's a lab report
[15:22] <tntexplosivesltd> so yes, "homework"
[15:23] <shirro> I have dropped out of science, electronic engineering and applied maths. I am the best educated unemployed guy in the village. Except for all the people with Arts degrees I guess.
[15:24] <tntexplosivesltd> arts is not an education
[15:24] <tntexplosivesltd> let's face it
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[15:24] <shirro> yeah, I kill them on quiz nights anyway
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[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> OH I think I can explain this
[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> ty wikipedia
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> are you doing com eng or something?
[15:27] <tntexplosivesltd> hah no
[15:27] <tntexplosivesltd> mechatronics
[15:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[15:29] <tzarc> heh, I did that too :P
[15:29] <tzarc> mechatronics/space eng
[15:30] <tzarc> now that I'm working, I don't use it! :P
[15:30] <shirro> Wow. Cool subject. I remember when Computer Systems Engineering was new.
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[15:32] <shirro> I was slightly disappointed to transfer into the first year of it and find it was basically just Electronic Engineering. I was more interested in low level programming really.
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray... vnc working
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[15:32] <shirro> Why not just run X remotely?
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[15:33] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: we did C# in the first year
[15:33] <tntexplosivesltd> second year, C on microcontrollers =D
[15:33] <tntexplosivesltd> was very happy
[15:33] <mkopack> shirro: Really gotta find a program that has classes on embedded systems
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[15:34] <tntexplosivesltd> then, at the end of second year I got an internship at an embedded systems place doing python scripting
[15:34] <tntexplosivesltd> and I was like =(
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[15:37] <shirro> mkopack: didn't have a lot of choice where I was at the time. everything I looked at was a bad match and I couldn't maintain interest. huge waste of time. fortunately my mistakes don't bankrupt me here
[15:37] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: you didn't have a student loan?
[15:39] <shirro> heh. not like a US student loan. you got a loan that you pay back in little bits forever if you wanted and education was cheaper.
[15:39] <mkopack> yeah, unfortunately, for a lot of people, they don't really figure out what they want to specialize in until after they've been in school for a while, and the school they're at might not be very good for that
[15:39] <mkopack> SOOOO glad my student loan days are over???. Paid those suckers off in 8 years and haven't looked back
[15:39] <mkopack> And grad school is paid for by my employeer???
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> mum and dad are paying my student loan =3
[15:40] <mkopack> and honestly, that's one of the only reasons I've hung in there and haven't left this job...
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> no idea why
[15:40] <mkopack> But if things don't start getting better by the time I finish next year, I'm seriously going to consider looking for something else??? Quite possibly something that would involve moving to a different part of the country.
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[15:41] <mkopack> I need some major changes soon or I'm going to go postal
[15:41] <shirro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_education_fees_in_Australia
[15:41] <tntexplosivesltd> mkopack: why's that?
[15:41] <mkopack> I did the math while sitting in traffic today??? I spend roughly 500 HOURS a year sitting in traffic just to go to/from work??? That's a 1/4 man year WASTED
[15:42] <blane> your years are only 2000 hours long, what planet are you on?
[15:42] <IT_Sean> That sort of math is depressing. I woudn't do it if I were you
[15:42] <tntexplosivesltd> mkopack: can you take the train or something?
[15:43] <tntexplosivesltd> I guess it's more commonplace here, where everything's kinda close
[15:43] <tntexplosivesltd> and there are less people
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[15:43] <mkopack> Once I get here, I'm stuck in a going-nowhere career situation, because I work in a small remote office from the rest of the organization - so I often am limited as to what projects I get assigned to. My review for the last 6 years has said "We need to get Mike opportunities to lead projects and work on proposals" (2 things I have NO control over) and every year it doesn't happen, yet I look and see people junior to me, up in the main office, who get t
[15:43] <mkopack> opportunities
[15:43] <mkopack> WHAT train?
[15:43] <mkopack> LOL
[15:43] <mkopack> blane: 2000 hours is the typical worker's work year??? 40/hrs week, 50 weeks year.
[15:44] <tntexplosivesltd> that's about right
[15:44] <shirro> sometimes the only way to get noticed is to leave
[15:44] <tntexplosivesltd> or steal offive supplies =3
[15:44] <tntexplosivesltd> * office
[15:44] <shirro> or blow the place up
[15:44] <IT_Sean> No bomb threats, please.
[15:44] <tntexplosivesltd> burn them all
[15:45] <mkopack> 6 years ago, before my group/company got bought out and absorbed I was a rising star, I had a 100% track record of writing winning proposals, I was starting to run projects myself, with small teams working under me??? I was considered a heavy hitter. Ever since I've been nothing more than a code monkey...
[15:45] <shirro> Did they move you to the basement and stop your paychecks?
[15:45] <Da|Mummy> stapler
[15:45] <mkopack> So, like I said, if it wasn't for them paying the ~$45K for my Masters degree, I'd be looking elsewhere by now.
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[15:45] <IT_Sean> M stapler
[15:45] <IT_Sean> *my
[15:46] <Da|Mummy> yeeeeeaaaaaahhh
[15:46] <Da|Mummy> im gonna need you to come in on satuday
[15:46] <_av500_> 1) get degree
[15:46] <_av500_> 2) blow place up
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> mkopack: what masters are you doing?
[15:47] <shirro> He is majoring in TPS reports
[15:47] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[15:47] <tntexplosivesltd> yaaaaaay
[15:47] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting, I have never heard of TPS
[15:47] <mkopack> And between the commute, the lousy time at work, and then having to spend pretty much every night and weekend for the last 3 years doing school work - I haven't been out on a date in over a year, I barely spend any time with friends anymore, haven't ridden a dirt bike in over 2 years, haven't taken a REAL (aka, something not involving my parents or sister) vacation in nearly 3 years, I'm just getting ridiculously burned out...
[15:47] <Da|Mummy> you didnt get the memo?
[15:48] <mkopack> I seriously need to go do a track day on the motorcycle or something
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> worked in SQA all summer
[15:48] <mkopack> And then have hot nasty sex with a couple women
[15:48] <mkopack> or something
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> at the same time
[15:48] <mkopack> Masters in CS
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> B-) oh yeah
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Needy hey hey. Keep it clean.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> *heeeeey
[15:48] <mkopack> specializing in Robotics and computer Graphics
[15:48] <Da|Mummy> youre gonna fix the photocopier with your bat?
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[15:50] <shirro> if you don't have any time now, get a girlfriend. That will put things in perspective
[15:50] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[15:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ^ truth
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[15:51] <Da|Mummy> if you dont have any money now...
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[15:51] <shirro> And then kids. And you have seriously levelled up
[15:51] <mkopack> shirr hell, I don't have time to even go FIND a girlfriend
[15:51] <tntexplosivesltd> kids are the reason for the pi
[15:51] <mkopack> F kids??? No interest in having kids AT ALL
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> this frustrates me
[15:52] <shirro> Yeah, tried that. Now go the fsck to sleep
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[15:52] <_av500_> train the robot to find one
[15:52] <shirro> make the robot into one
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> shirro: hmm? go to sleep?
[15:52] <shirro> the kid
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[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[15:53] <shirro> smallest one will not sleep. Unless it is daytime and you want him awake
[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> hahaha
[15:53] <Hexxeh> anyone here going to Google IO?
[15:54] <tntexplosivesltd> it's what, 10:50 over there?
[15:54] <shirro> What. So you can invest time and effort in their products and then have it dropped a year later?
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[15:54] <_av500_> shirro: 3rd one's a charm
[15:54] <Davespice> anyone
[15:54] <Davespice> can someone tell me how to play that video of the giant rabbit on the Pi? ;)
[15:55] <Davespice> does it come with the debian image?
[15:55] <Hexxeh> yes Davespice
[15:55] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
[15:55] <Hexxeh> look in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video
[15:55] <tntexplosivesltd> this sentence I don't even
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[15:55] <Davespice> Hexxeh: thanks for this, stand by :)
[15:55] <Hexxeh> tntexplosivesltd: he means big buck bunny
[15:55] <_av500_> debbbian
[15:56] <shirro> Hexxeh: doesn't make it better
[15:56] <Davespice> okay cool, what is the command to play it?
[15:56] <Hexxeh> cd to that folder, type make, then do ./hello_video.bin test.h264
[15:57] <Hexxeh> off the top of my head, not got a pi to hand
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[15:59] <Davespice> ah yes
[15:59] <Davespice> that did it! thank you
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[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm, anyone know anything that I can use to generate a tone and change the sampling frequency?
[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> audacity can't go low enough with its sapmpling frequency
[16:20] <Caver> what os/platford?
[16:20] <Caver> platform
[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> linux
[16:20] <chris_99> sox?
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> can sox generate tones?
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> what can its sampling rate go to?
[16:22] <Caver> baudline if your on x86
[16:23] <Caver> it can make all sorts of tones
[16:23] <tntexplosivesltd> I need down to 1200
[16:24] <tntexplosivesltd> might go with baudline
[16:24] <Caver> yeah it'll do that ... rather complicated interface though
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[16:24] <tntexplosivesltd> hmm
[16:25] <Caver> your going to fake being a modem?
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[16:32] <tntexplosivesltd> Caver: nah
[16:32] <tntexplosivesltd> wow that is clumsy
[16:32] <tntexplosivesltd> I might wait til tomorrow and use matlab
[16:32] <tntexplosivesltd> Caver: looking at aliasing etc
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[16:34] <Caver> aha
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[16:34] <Matt> baudline is really useful
[16:35] <Caver> I love it ... endless fun (if geeky)
[16:35] <Caver> just load a song into it, and be able to see the beats
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[16:36] <Caver> or my fave trick ... put a microphone up to a telephone and dial some numbers and be able to show people literally what DMTF looks like
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[16:38] <Matt> Caver: thinking of loading in tracks
[16:39] <Matt> load in Pink Floyd - One of These Days, from Meddle
[16:39] <Caver> hmmm
[16:40] <Caver> it's also fun if you connect it up to a suround sound setup, and start moving the channels around the room
[16:40] <Caver> *ahem* ... maybe I need to get out more
[16:40] <Matt> the ability to stop, and play in reverse is handy
[16:40] <Matt> that track has a bunch of reversed samples in it :)
[16:40] <Caver> oh really lol :)
[16:41] <Matt> not to mention being a good song in general
[16:42] <Caver> hmm think if we asked him nicely he'd compile it for the Pi?
[16:42] <Caver> I know there is the source for the 0.99 one
[16:42] <Caver> I just think kids might find it fun/instersting
[16:43] <Caver> mmm ought to go ... min spec 200MHz pc
[16:45] <Matt> I think it might be a shade heavy for the Pi
[16:45] <Matt> at least until we get accelerated X drivers
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[16:46] <Caver> ok my mission for tonight ... compile it myself :D
[16:46] <passstab> probably relavent for those who are here
[16:46] <passstab> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
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[16:48] <Da|Mummy> stop posting valve-linux-steam links already
[16:48] <passstab> ok
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[16:50] <Matt> I need to build a little audio switch box
[16:50] <Matt> ...or just put an switched output jack on these speakers
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[16:52] <Caver> hehe ... speakers on the Pi's connection then?
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[16:53] <Matt> no pi :(
[16:53] <Caver> ah
[16:53] * IT_Sean hands matt some pie
[16:53] <Matt> but I have more than one audio source here, and several possible things I wish to use as output
[16:54] <Caver> get jack up and working
[16:54] <Matt> so it's either a matter of having a source/sink box
[16:54] <Matt> or something that makes patching stuff less annoying
[16:54] <Matt> Caver: wouldn't help :)
[16:54] <Matt> only one, or possibly two soures are computers :)
[16:56] <Caver> aha ... yes a lot more tricky
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/G7TB
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> running on a pi :)
[17:08] <tzarc> nice work!
[17:08] <BenO> Hexxeh, Yay! How long is the page render time?
[17:08] <Hexxeh> measured in minutes
[17:08] <shirro> nice. what version?
[17:08] <Hexxeh> software rendering is super SUPER slow
[17:08] <Hexxeh> 20 shirro
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> working javascript though
[17:09] <Hexxeh> passes unit tests
[17:09] <Hexxeh> they did take all night to run, mind..
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[17:10] <BenO> Hexxeh, cool progress!
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[17:10] <shirro> so what did you have to do?
[17:10] <shirro> short version :-)
[17:10] <Hexxeh> different toolchain
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[17:11] <Hexxeh> built toolchain inside the cros chroot
[17:11] <shirro> really. that is interesting
[17:11] <Hexxeh> found somebody who'd patched the problem that prevented it working inside the chroot
[17:11] <Hexxeh> like a 4 line patch that just disables thumb and hardened mode
[17:11] <Hexxeh> then like 2 lines for native client and 5 for ffmpeg
[17:11] <Caver> yay
[17:12] <shirro> very well done
[17:12] <Hexxeh> as soon as there are X11 drivers, it'll be fully usable
[17:12] <Hexxeh> and uh, until then, i'm gonna have a stab at running it without X...
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[17:12] <shirro> even better
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[17:12] <tzarc> I gather this is prep for r-pi cros builds?
[17:12] <Hexxeh> yeah
[17:12] <tzarc> nice
[17:13] <Hexxeh> sandboxing works, it's just disabled because i'm running this under arch as a bit of a frankenbuild
[17:13] <Hexxeh> using --memory-model=low too
[17:13] <tzarc> ahh, but proof-of-concepts are where everything starts from
[17:14] <shirro> --memory-model=low sounds good. does it help?
[17:14] <Hexxeh> very difficult to tell when it's this slow
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[17:14] <shirro> Oh, damn. I just ran about:memory on my laptop. I really didn't want to know.
[17:15] <tzarc> yeah I'm up over a gig with v20 :P
[17:15] <shirro> How did I ever cope with less than 8G of memory?
[17:17] <tzarc> well you now have (or soon will) 256M :P
[17:17] <shirro> 128. I want to learn GPU magic
[17:17] <tzarc> even better
[17:19] <tzarc> mmm, nearing 1:30am, time for bed
[17:19] <tzarc> night folks
[17:19] <shirro> Damn. you are right. Me too.
[17:19] <shirro> Pi day tomorrow. I hope
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[17:22] <IT_Sean> shirro: Pi day was last month. 3/14
[17:22] <shirro> Not here. We only have 12 months in a year, not 14.
[17:23] <_av500_> +1
[17:23] <mozzwald> hehe
[17:24] <BenO> I think the one SD card I had that was bootable, has given up the ghost
[17:24] <BenO> :(
[17:26] <IT_Sean> shirro: it's not my fault you write the date backs swarms
[17:26] <IT_Sean> *backasswards
[17:26] <IT_Sean> (bloody autocorrect)
[17:27] <shirro> I think you mean backarsewards
[17:29] <IT_Sean> I think you need to hush
[17:29] <BenO> Is there a way to probe an SD to get a rough estimate on its health?
[17:29] <_av500_> no
[17:29] <_av500_> if in doubt, chug it
[17:30] <shirro> they tricky you.
[17:30] <_av500_> if it says "sandisk" it might work
[17:30] <IT_Sean> BenO: Bend it in half. If it stops working, it was on it's last legs.
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[17:30] <BenO> ah :(
[17:30] <shirro> all these flash memories are moving stuff around behind the scenes. Who knows how much memory they really have and and how much of that works?
[17:30] <ReggieUK> write data to the whole disk and see if you can read it back
[17:30] <BenO> IT_Sean, It's a bit stiff, I'll use my vice
[17:31] <ReggieUK> of course that data is only garuanteed for the last write made that didn't come back faulty :D
[17:31] <BenO> shirro, I know - it's just that this card I've been booting from has just decided not to work, or be re-dd'd
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[17:31] <shirro> then it will work for awhile. then it won't. give me spinning media any day
[17:31] <_av500_> cards are cheap
[17:32] <ReggieUK> cards are cheap, nand is crap
[17:32] <_av500_> SLC nand is fine
[17:32] <shirro> kind of surprised another technology hasn't replace it yet
[17:33] <BenO> Just bought a new SD - no joy in the Pi
[17:33] <_av500_> holodisks
[17:33] <ReggieUK> there will be a new set of storage ponies along sometime soon
[17:33] <BenO> (earlier today)
[17:33] <ReggieUK> have teh foundation started to make a definitive list of known working cards?
[17:34] <ReggieUK> it might be in their best interests to start doing so
[17:34] <shirro> fram or something I have never heard of. its't like they said lets make usb keys that exactly duplicate the convenience of floppy disks and the reliability
[17:34] <BenO> ReggieUK, SD branding/make doesn't always correspond to SD internals
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[17:34] <ReggieUK> now they're out in the wild they can call on the community to start filling a database
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[17:35] <ReggieUK> Ben0, I wasn't referring to brands, just known working cards, so we can at least try and get a handle on what works, what doesn't and why
[17:35] <ReggieUK> there are tools out there to query the cards and get information from them
[17:35] <_av500_> r-pi branded cards from the foundation
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[17:35] <shirro> a guy on a list I am on tried a reduced size MMS card because he didn't want the arse hanging out. That was daring.
[17:36] <_av500_> why daring?
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[17:36] <_av500_> rs-mms is mms
[17:36] <ReggieUK> are people just buying straight SD cards?
[17:36] <shirro> not many MMS cards around anymore. would be surprised if anyone has tested them
[17:36] <ReggieUK> or are people using microSD and SD adapters?
[17:36] <_av500_> MMS+ cards ftw
[17:36] <BenO> ReggieUK, I have two of the "known" working cards from this http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[17:36] <BenO> neither work
[17:37] <shirro> _av500_: it didn't work
[17:37] <ReggieUK> which 2?
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[17:38] <ReggieUK> cos 1/2 of those listed are pretty irrelevant in naming cards
[17:38] <ReggieUK> for instance, the panansonic
[17:38] <BenO> Sandisk Ultra II SDHC 4GB class 4
[17:38] <BenO> Sandisk Ultra SDHC 8GB class 6
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[17:38] <ReggieUK> and you know for sure it's a real one and not a fake?
[17:38] <BenO> Yep
[17:39] <BenO> The 8Gb is from a decent independant camera shop nearby
[17:39] <shirro> How close to the pins is the guts on an SD card? Could you chip one down?
[17:39] <ReggieUK> ahh, so you haven't checked it to see if it's real or not?
[17:40] <ReggieUK> in theory, you should be able to use a microsd and the card be as small as that (but as wide as an SD)
[17:41] <ReggieUK> just out of interest, why does there only appear to be 2GB or > cards in the list?
[17:41] <_av500_> can you buy smaller ones?
[17:41] <_av500_> these days
[17:41] <ReggieUK> is there a specific technical reason for that? or have they decided that is the size of the rootfs partition that they'd like
[17:42] <ReggieUK> ebay says yes
[17:42] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=See-All-Categories&_from=R40&_nkw=1gb+sd+card&_ipg=200&rt=nc
[17:42] <shirro> I imagine it is based on availability. I haven't seen anything smaller than 2G in any shops
[17:43] <friggle> yeah, 2gb is basicaly as small as they come at the moment. Why would you want smaller?
[17:43] <BenO> ReggieUK, I haven't pulled info from the internals, but all the marks are present (SanDisk notch, valid serial, etc)
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[17:43] <shirro> Has anyone cut one open? Are they full of a board of half empty? If I could chop one down it wouldn't stick out so much.
[17:44] <ReggieUK> just thinking smaller cards, older technology, possibly more likely to work?
[17:45] <ReggieUK> http://www.penguin.cz/~utx/hardware/Pretec_SD_4GB/
[17:45] <shirro> Can you pull any diagnostics or info at all from an SD card?
[17:45] <_av500_> info yes
[17:46] <shirro> Can I do that under linux?
[17:46] <friggle> you'd think there's a microsd adapter which is half length or something
[17:46] <ReggieUK> shirro, from that picture it looks like it's possible on some cards that you can make it close to 1/2 height
[17:47] <_av500_> dig, no
[17:47] <_av500_> well, probbly msandisk can
[17:47] <shirro> ReggieUK: wow that is a lot bigger package inside than I thought it would be for some reason.
[17:48] <shirro> I was thinking if they used the same thing in microsd and full SD there must be a lot of room in them
[17:48] <ReggieUK> that's standard nand flash size (at least in a lot of embedded devices)
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[17:49] <ReggieUK> how they manage to squeeze all that down to fit on a microSD I'll never know
[17:49] <blane> witchcraft
[17:49] <shirro> magnets
[17:49] <blane> very small rocks
[17:50] <_av500_> smaller bits
[17:50] <_av500_> 6bit bytes
[17:50] <blane> they use 0's and 1/2s not 0s and 1s
[17:50] <ReggieUK> I think the only way to attempt it would be to make a breakout for a microsd but it'd take some doing
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[17:52] <shirro> That is an idea. http://www.sparkfun.com/products/204
[17:53] <_av500_> thats on the board
[17:53] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9237
[17:53] <shirro> ReggieUK: if it was on a ribbon cable, yes
[17:54] <_av500_> aint you after smaller?
[17:54] <ReggieUK> well, they do give you a schematic and some eagle files on that page, so it wouldn't be difficult to convert that into something with a ribbon cable between the 2 1/2s
[17:54] <_av500_> solder a microsd socket
[17:55] <shirro> Why didn't they use microsd?
[17:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> the foundation?
[17:55] <ReggieUK> you could even use the bottom 1/2 of that board, bring it out on wires and then place a new socket wherever you like
[17:55] <shirro> yep.
[17:55] <_av500_> does that teach kids better?
[17:56] <ReggieUK> or someone brave enough could test an emmc chip and some nand soldered directly to the sd header
[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> hey said that the micro sd sockets where not as good as the sd ones and more excpensive
[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^damn typing
[17:56] <ReggieUK> that sounds like a bit of a cop out
[17:56] <shirro> I guess they are fiddlier.
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[17:56] <_av500_> ReggieUK: emmc is mmc/sd basically
[17:56] <_av500_> nand+controller in one package
[17:56] <shirro> Actually they can be very fiddly if you are tired and they are a strange angle
[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> liz and edem probably cannot see them that small
[17:56] <ReggieUK> as there are millions of devices out there that quite happily use microsd sockets that don't break
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[17:57] <ReggieUK> _av500_, sure so you could remove the SD socket from the board and provide a little breakout that can be soldered directly to the pi keeping the SD completely internal
[17:58] <ReggieUK> obviously it would be non-removable
[17:58] <_av500_> indeed
[17:58] <ReggieUK> either way, if you want smaller for the pi you're gonna have to craft it yourself :)
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[17:58] <_av500_> yep
[17:59] <_av500_> or boot into ramdisk and remove the card...
[18:00] <ReggieUK> those SD sniffers might be useful though to see what's going on with the pi
[18:01] <ReggieUK> the sd part of the board could certainly be adapted though with some kynar, not quite a ribbon cable but certainly could be relatively simple to extend the slot to somewhere less obtrusive
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[18:03] <selsinork> shirro, http://imgur.com/8CKtz & http://imgur.com/VSoFa is the innards of a 16G class 4
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[18:03] <hotwings> there aint much inside sd cards.. or ufd for that matter
[18:03] <Da|Mummy> why the 2nd link?
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[18:04] <selsinork> I suspect that the die in that is probably the same as what they use in a micro SD
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[18:04] <IT_Sean> Sd cards are mostly plastic casing
[18:04] <shirro> Probably the bigger the card (more modern) the smaller they are
[18:04] <selsinork> Da|Mummy, it's just the board turned over to show there's no chip or anything
[18:05] <IT_Sean> Quite pastably
[18:05] <ReggieUK> selsinork, the 2nd link is a cartoon image
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[18:05] <BenO> friggle, Just re-dd'd the debian image from the 13th to my SD - opengles examples now work fine
[18:05] <selsinork> it is ? then I typo'd it :)
[18:05] <Da|Mummy> with a hello kitty hat
[18:06] <BenO> friggle, the key addition is that the glClear should have an alpha value of 1.0f to blank out the screen
[18:06] <BenO> friggle, (key cosmetic addition)
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[18:06] <shirro> As random pictures of imgur go I think we were lucky
[18:06] <Da|Mummy> i think shes from chernobyl too, her skin is glowing green
[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> lol
[18:06] <selsinork> ah, lower case v. http://imgur.com/vSoFa
[18:06] <Hexxeh> downgrade glibc? sure why not
[18:07] <friggle> BenO: hurray!
[18:08] <BenO> friggle, :)
[18:08] <ReggieUK> I think the SD images are showing is that some cards will be easy to make smaller and other cards, not so easy
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[18:08] <BenO> friggle, I think my SD card is a bit duff - failed during 1st dd attempt
[18:09] <BenO> friggle, it's the only one I can boot from though :*
[18:09] <BenO> :(
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[18:10] <ReggieUK> are there many other people with sd card problems?
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[18:12] <BenO> ReggieUK, had a few reporting aside from me
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[18:13] <hotwings> BenO - you had problems with sandisk sd and rpi?
[18:14] <BenO> hotwings, yep -but don't take that as indicative of a general probem.
[18:14] <BenO> problem*
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[18:14] <BenO> I need to meet other folk with (SanDisk) SDs that work for them to try on this board
[18:14] <friggle> BenO: yeah, your problems seem quite odd to me
[18:15] <BenO> friggle, Agreed
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[18:15] <shirro> Have you verified the rights on your PC after writing them?
[18:15] <shirro> writes even
[18:15] <BenO> Does anyone know where the kernel logging to serial is set? I've changed the output speed in the cmdline for both options (need 9600) but no effect
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[18:16] <shirro> It should be command line
[18:16] <Blunderbuss> anyone want to help me quickly determine why I can't get the RPi cross compiler setup http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb working? I think it's a missing library issue...?
[18:17] <BenO> shirro, It logs boot sequence, etc fine, but when kernel panicing, it seems to go back to 115200
[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, sure, what seems to be the problem?
[18:18] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne , hello again! When I run make install prefix=$HOME/ARMDevelopmentTools/Scratchbox2 - I get an error
[18:18] <Blunderbuss> stand by for post
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[18:19] <shirro> BenO: Debug by thermal printer is it?
[18:20] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne : [SHLIB] preload/libsb2.so /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libdl.so when searching for -ldl /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libdl.a when searching for -ldl /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libdl.so when searching for -ldl /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libdl.a when searching for -ldl /usr/bin
[18:20] <BenO> shirro, Yep
[18:20] <BenO> shirro, Seeing as it was all plugged in and ready to go :)
[18:21] <shirro> Blunderbuss: Why not use the cross compiler from the Raspberry Pi github? Or the ones that come with Debian?
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[18:21] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't come across that one
[18:21] <hotwings> BenO - ill be trying sandisk here, at some point in the future when an rpi shows up.. but i will say that ive been using sandisk sdhc's for installs for the last few years and theyve been rock solid on every box ive done it on
[18:21] <shirro> Or is that Ubuntu...
[18:22] <BenO> hotwings, same here - I use them quite heavily as a brand (camera, gp2x, ...)
[18:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, hang on, let me check something
[18:22] <friggle> shirro: don't use the ubuntu ones. They're sneakily not armv4t, in fact I think are armv7+ (libgcc etc)
[18:22] <Blunderbuss> shirro I was pointed to that pastebin for setup
[18:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, try sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[18:23] <ReggieUK> Ben0, that's really why I'm asking questions, you could have a dying card (although you've got 2 now from a 'working' list that don't work)
[18:23] <shirro> friggle: really? that's interesting. I have been cross compiling for armv7 and didn't consider that they might choke on armv6
[18:23] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne ok running now, will let you know
[18:24] <ReggieUK> you could always try filling the card with files that you've md5'd and copy them back off on a desktop and see what issues you get there
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[18:25] <ReggieUK> or it could be a cruddy reader
[18:25] <BenO> ReggieUK, I know my problems aren't usual - normally SDs will either work or not, but those cards I mentioned will boot 1 time in say 20-30 power on attempts
[18:25] <friggle> shirro: http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-toolchain/2011-March/000992.html
[18:26] <ReggieUK> I take it the contacts are clean?
[18:26] <ReggieUK> you could do something crazy like install ubuntu on one and see if you can boot a full PC with one rather than the pi
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[18:27] <_av500_> for extra kudos, make it dual boot
[18:27] <_av500_> as in boot both
[18:27] <BenO> ReggieUK, True, but I don't think it's the cards so much - I'm just going to wait to try someone else's SD on this
[18:28] <ReggieUK> if it's not the cards, what do you suppose it might be?
[18:28] <ReggieUK> faulty pi
[18:28] <BenO> ReggieUK, could be all manner of things, but I don't think that my problems are a general issue
[18:28] <BenO> ReggieUK, could be an iffy contact for all I know
[18:29] <mozzwald> sd card test: http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/
[18:29] <ReggieUK> the fact that you're getting dd issues on the host PC tends to suggest it's not a pi issue
[18:29] <Blunderbuss> 32 gb transcend cards are on sale at meritline today, fyi
[18:30] <BenO> ReggieUK, this has only occurred in the past hour with the card that I've been using constantly to boot this Pi with
[18:30] <BenO> The SD itself came from a Nintentdo 3DS as well
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[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, any progress?
[18:31] <mozzwald> BenO: my 8gb class 2 sandisk works
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[18:31] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne drivers just finished installing, I certainly didn't have them- trying that make command again now
[18:32] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne same error
[18:32] <ShiftPlusOne> then blame ukscone
[18:33] <Blunderbuss> me?
[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, he wrote the instructions.... though I didn't have any problems with them.
[18:34] <Blunderbuss> ah hrm..I'm using virtual box + debian
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[18:34] <Blunderbuss> ukscone: you around?
[18:35] <Blunderbuss> you know, russell davis posted a torrent for a pre-setup cross compiling vbox...
[18:35] <Blunderbuss> I just wanted to learn how to set it up myself
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[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1089155
[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like I was on the right track
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> missing some 32bit libs
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> libdl.a it seems
[18:36] <Blunderbuss> aha
[18:37] <ukscone> Blunderbuss: for about 2mins
[18:37] <Blunderbuss> ukscone: I'm trying to setup the scratchbox2 qemu cross compiler using your instructions on vbox + debian, and having some driver issues
[18:38] <ukscone> Blunderbuss: i also posted that a while back http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb but one proviso -- need to checkout qemu-linaro branch 12.3 until the patch gets into head
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[18:38] <ukscone> Blunderbuss: guest os 64bit?
[18:39] <Blunderbuss> ukscone ah, ok I'm not entirely sure how to do that...and yes it probably is- should I switch to a 32 bit?
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[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, either switch or track down which package contains the lib you're after.
[18:40] <ukscone> yes there was a change in gcc a while back that makes it fussy and the sb2 doesn't do it right yet so linking is borked -- 32bit debian as guest is fine
[18:40] <Blunderbuss> easy enough to re-setup the guest os
[18:40] <ukscone> gcc when linking forces .so's to be after .o's or it doesn't link right
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> strange
[18:41] <Hydrazine> so, I got lxc working on my Rpi
[18:41] <ukscone> the 64bit releases seem to have impl. the change but 32bit haven't YET
[18:41] <ukscone> sb2 author should have impl. the change but not sure if he has pushed it yet
[18:43] <Blunderbuss> well, I'll save the virtual debian install, but stick with 32 bit until it's updated
[18:43] <Blunderbuss> thanks
[18:43] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne by the way, logmein hamachi works a treat
[18:43] <ukscone> gotta go out bbiab
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[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Blunderbuss, good to hear, I'll give it a go if I ever need it.
[18:44] <Blunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne yeah I work at a university so I'm behind a lot of firewalls, but it's all good
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... might use it for my home pc then
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> to access it from uni
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[18:48] <Blunderbuss> if you're trying to access win or osx, it has a very nice full featured client, on linux you just get hamachi which then lets you easily use vnc or whatever
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[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> if I needed more, there's always teamviewer, but for the most part, ssh is more than enough for me
[18:52] <Blunderbuss> yeah I'm trying to become command line centric as I learn linux, since xwindows isnt gpu optimized yet and seems to crawl somehwat
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[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, the USB chip is getting pretty hot
[19:03] <hamitron> stop rubbing it so fast, it isn't that good ;/
[19:03] <Blunderbuss> I noticed mine getting warm too
[19:03] <Blunderbuss> well, it appears as though this nickname is registered to someone else! bbs as RBlunderbuss
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[19:04] <hamitron> hmmm, and what about /nick?
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[19:04] <hamitron> RBlunderbuss, couldn't you just use the command /nick ?
[19:04] <RBlunderbuss> probably haha
[19:05] <RBlunderbuss> I don't know these things
[19:05] <hamitron> well, doesn't bother me, just letting you know for future use
[19:05] <hamitron> :)
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[19:05] <RBlunderbuss> much obliged
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[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> the pi works great off a battery by the way
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> still showing as full
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[19:19] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne how much current does your battery output? I have a tiny 5500 mAh pack, but its only rated to 500 mA out I think
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160666740767
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> it has a 500mA port and a 1A
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[19:20] <RBlunderbuss> huh, I just saw a very similar one to at on the amazon gold box deals this morning
[19:20] <RBlunderbuss> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006OT2X0Q?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[19:21] <RBlunderbuss> eh not quite that similar I guess
[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> 8,000 mAh O_o
[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> surely a lie, but nice
[19:22] <RBlunderbuss> ehh I dunno, my galaxy tab has a pretty huge battery in it...the one I really want is this: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10000mAh-External-Battery-Charger/dp/B005NGKR54/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335374438&sr=1-3
[19:22] <RBlunderbuss> haha
[19:22] <RBlunderbuss> 10 Ah
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus... an anker is somewhat reputable when it comes to batteries
[19:23] <RBlunderbuss> it has good reviews as well
[19:23] <RBlunderbuss> quite a beast
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> good revi.... what you just said
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> tempted to buy it
[19:24] <RBlunderbuss> I just noticed it says output 5.3 V
[19:24] <RBlunderbuss> would that work/
[19:24] <RBlunderbuss> or is that a tad too high/
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> it would work, but it's in the iffey range
[19:26] <RBlunderbuss> the anker astro2 is cheaper, has 8 Ah, but still does 1 A output and is listed to output 5V straight. Though I'm thinking that these things are really designed for 5 V devices, so both are probably safe..I dunno though
[19:27] <curahack> Anyone here tried the XBMC release yet?
[19:27] <RBlunderbuss> anyway do the homework before buying I suppose...
[19:28] <RBlunderbuss> curahack liams debian + xmbc?
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[19:28] <RBlunderbuss> curahack I haven't yet, I want to try building xmbc myself too...
[19:28] <curahack> haha, ok ;)
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[19:29] <RBlunderbuss> I also want to try building android for the RPi, but I suspect that is way beyond me
[19:29] <RBlunderbuss> haha
[19:30] <Hexxeh> there's an existing effort to do so iirc
[19:31] <RBlunderbuss> yeah there's got to be
[19:31] <RBlunderbuss> if only because it may, hypothetically, allow netflix to work eventually
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[19:35] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne whats that VNC software you prefer?
[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> if I could get NX working it would be that... but for now I am using tightvnc
[19:36] <RBlunderbuss> ah I heard NX was great - but it's not easy to get going?
[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it is, I just don't know if it's available on ARM
[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> though I am told it's mostly python and should work without any problems, but I haven't seen it yet
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[19:38] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne: here's a tutorial for compiling NX for an ARM device - not ours, but it may be useful: http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Installing_FreeNX_server_and_NX_Open_Source_Components
[19:38] <ukscone> was there a meeting that I missed where it was decided that today was official "annoy ukscone" day? just been out and got into 5 arguements and got my toes stepped on 3 times
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[19:39] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[19:39] <RBlunderbuss> :( that stinks
[19:39] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne it just seems like we have to track down an appropriate patch, perhaps
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> don't have much incentive to bother right now
[19:40] <RBlunderbuss> yeah
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[19:40] <RBlunderbuss> SNES emulator is what we really need ;P
[19:40] <hotwings> no
[19:41] <hotwings> youre only allowed to use an rpi to learn python and c
[19:41] <ReggieUK> or c and python
[19:41] <RBlunderbuss> that as well
[19:41] <ReggieUK> you have a choice
[19:41] <RBlunderbuss> I've actually learned a ton already
[19:41] <ReggieUK> ton is not on the list of things to learn, hand over your pi
[19:41] <RBlunderbuss> having never really used linux before
[19:41] <hotwings> rpi should NOT be used for a media device
[19:42] <hotwings> or games
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[19:42] <ReggieUK> even opensource games?
[19:42] <RBlunderbuss> why not use it for all that and more?
[19:42] <haltdef> whatever happened to sightlight
[19:42] * ReggieUK stops looking at sdldoom :(
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> any idea why wicd isn't showing any wireless networks even though iwlist wlan0 scan shows everything?
[19:42] <friggle> hotwings: yes, we should make everyone sign a contract when they buy one
[19:42] <hotwings> RBlunderbuss - because thats not what the creators intended!!
[19:43] <friggle> hotwings: and have software that sends reports on usage
[19:43] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne yes that happened to me
[19:43] <hotwings> friggle - YES! :]
[19:43] <friggle> hotwings: if someone has been doing something other than programming with their pi, we'll send someone round to confiscate it
[19:43] <hotwings> RBlunderbuss - i am, of course, completely talking sh*t right now and couldnt care less how any rpi owner uses their rpi :)
[19:43] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne I'm pretty sure I fixed it by uninstalling both wicd and wicd-curses, and then ONLY installing wicd-curses
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the creators intended for you to buy it for media, but then to spend nights compiling and patching stuff just to get things working
[19:43] <hotwings> lol friggle
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, I'll try
[19:44] <RBlunderbuss> hotwings haha I thought so, but you never know, some people really feel that way
[19:44] <hotwings> RBlunderbuss - yup. i was poking a little fun at those types just now. no harm intended, only a chuckle :)
[19:44] <RBlunderbuss> hotwings it's all good, you are delicious
[19:48] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne also make sure that /etc/network/interfaces only has those 2 standard lines in it, auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
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[19:55] <BenO> friggle, hotwings "You haven't used make, python or gcc in 1 month of receiving your Pi. You are in breach of contract and are liable for ?100, payable immediately"
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[19:57] * BenO looks outside - no rain, no hail. Time to go to the shops
[19:59] * SpeedEvil has the shops come to him.
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[20:00] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne any success?
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[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, i am done for the day
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[20:06] <RBlunderbuss> k
[20:06] <RBlunderbuss> we must be in different time zones, it's 11 am here
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> 4am =)
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> bed time in a few hours
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[20:08] <RBlunderbuss> different time zone and you're nocturnal, then!
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[20:09] <SpeedEvil> 7PM
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[20:12] <meeep> Has anyone got their preorders from Farnell in the UK?
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> Not here.
[20:13] <meeep> they all in #rpi owners?
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[20:13] <meeep> I'm happy to wait for mine, but will be devastated if I don't get my t-shirt.. especially given I had such issues (well, as everyone did) when RS and Farnell flopped on release day
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[20:23] <ajtag> meep there are a few yes
[20:23] <meeep> :)
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[20:25] <SimonT> meeep: Some people have received orders from Farnell UK, Export Farnell (in the UK)
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[20:27] <meeep> Don't mind waiting, would rather do that than pay the stupid odds some are on eBay and the like - but would be nice to eventually get the indication of "we have some stock! You'll get a delivery in x time!" as opposed to "if you order before x date you'll get it before july" :D
[20:28] <SimonT> yeah :/
[20:29] <SimonT> i called Export Farnell yesterday and the lady I spoke with said they're hoping to release more info in the next week or so
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[20:30] <meeep> If the limited supply of t-shirts is gone, I'll be devastated. As one whom spent the night wasting away in here, and then being devastated (and quite shocked) upon release, I feel I deserve a t-shirt ;)
[20:30] <wcchandler> i enjoy hacking away on the pi thing doing stuff that I normally wouldn't do... mostly because it's so quick and easy to wipe it and reload the OS... it's quite a bit of fun. But there's also an inner drive to be "first" to do something really cool with it.
[20:30] <RBlunderbuss> I placed an order with export farnell the night of, and still got it from RS faster
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[20:32] <SimonT> wcchandler: yeah, I couldn't agree with you more
[20:32] <SimonT> though i haven't got a pi to hack with yet :/
[20:33] <RBlunderbuss> a good use of time while waiting could be to setup cross-compiling
[20:34] <wcchandler> RBlunderbuss: overrated ;)
[20:37] <RBlunderbuss> wcchandler eh...I don't want to spend time compiling on my pi, it's pretty slow
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[20:43] <wcchandler> yeah, that's what I thought too, but really it's not that bad. Granted I haven't compiled anything big
[20:44] <wcchandler> I like the slowness as I can kind of follow along the make process
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[20:46] <RBlunderbuss> I was trying to compile omxplayer but no luck yet
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[21:05] <RAThomas> lars_t_h: how is I2C driver development? (I am working on one myself)
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[21:08] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, first discovered that i am working on a I??C host adater driver now?
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[21:08] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, you know the difference between host adapter driver and client device driver, yes?
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[21:10] <RAThomas> yes
[21:11] <RAThomas> I used drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-omap.c as a starting point
[21:11] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, yes to which question? both?
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[21:12] <RAThomas> er, yes, yes. Only read the "Linux device drivers for Rapberry Pi on-board I/O" thread today
[21:12] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, i2c-gpio.c is also useful - you can delete the gpio bit-banging stuff
[21:13] <lars_t_h> ah ok
[21:14] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, my problem is that i am still in the queue - i had not yet got an invitation to by my pi
[21:14] <RAThomas> well, I saw i2c-omap and said "ooh, I recognise that one!"
[21:15] <RAThomas> lars_t_h: I hear you. I have an "order" in with Newark Electronics in the US with an estimated delivery ~June 30
[21:15] <lars_t_h> ok, i would think that the i2-gpio.c is more generic, and the i2c-omap.c could be too TI specific
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[21:17] <RAThomas> I'll have a look at 92c-gpio too, then. selsinork from the forum is the only person willing to test I2C at this time?
[21:17] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, ok i orded at 9:30 dansih local time, wich is 8:30 GMT+0 on the the day they opened the register for interest
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[21:18] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, i think the deal is that i will peer-review his code until i get my slice of pi
[21:19] <RAThomas> lars_t_h: sounds like a plan
[21:22] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, for my part i wil do some code on a x86 system - the stuff that does need the real hardware, that is, creating the inital code, making /sys entries, so some basic configuration can be done to the driver, i could also develop some simulation, where i use the i2c-dev driver to create a Linux UIO client device driver
[21:23] <lars_t_h> with that i can let the driver write something to bus, which is really is printk'ing on the x86 system
[21:24] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, so some of the work is possible to do via simulation
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[21:26] <RichiH> how's the video capability of the pis?
[21:27] <RichiH> is 1080p doable? if yes, at what bitrates?
[21:27] <wcchandler> depends on if it's using the GPU
[21:27] <RichiH> and what codecs
[21:27] <RichiH> wcchandler: obviously
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[21:31] <RAThomas> lars_t_h: sounds good. I've cross-compiled for PPC and OMAP targets before, but haven't bothered with the Pi yet, since I don't have one.
[21:31] <RAThomas> lars_t_h: someone in the forum mentioned compiling the kernel on their Pi... sounds painfully slow ;)
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[21:33] <lars_t_h> RAThomas, i would not do that - really sounds like a bad idea, but if is the only computer a person has, it is doable
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[21:36] <AceClown> wow, busy chat chan!
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[21:37] <mkopack> AceClown: this is nothing??? sometimes it's WAY more active
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[21:37] <mkopack> lots of folks just troll and don't really chat
[21:38] <AceClown> yeah I can imagne the "can't even get supply right" trolls
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[21:38] <mkopack> Eh, we just Correct those idiots
[21:38] <meeep> :)
[21:38] <mkopack> Everyone loves to bitch, especially when they don't understand what's going on
[21:39] <AceClown> I've been trying to get a stable linux build on an old as balls laptop while I wait
[21:39] <AceClown> it's nearly gone through the window several times now
[21:39] <meeep> ah, you want to join #oldasballslinuxhelp then ;)
[21:39] <AceClown> ironicaly, the only one that gets close is ubuntu
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[21:40] <AceClown> with unity
[21:40] <AceClown> the display craps out with any other build
[21:41] <AceClown> I also plan to make the best case ever
[21:42] <AceClown> I have a load of old film cameras....
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[21:59] <RAThomas> I'm working on a I2C device driver. Looks like I'll be collaborating with lars_t_h and selsinork
[21:59] <RAThomas> erps, wrong channel
[22:00] <RAThomas> but not inappropriate, I guess ;)
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[22:05] <lars_t_h> AceClown, maybe you should wait to tomorrow where Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is released
[22:06] <meeep> well said, lars_t_h
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[22:08] <AceClown> is that not a bit pointess seing as the Pi won't run ubuntu?
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[22:09] <mkopack> Wonder if the version for the Pandaboard will also drop tomorrow?
[22:10] <lars_t_h> AceClown, you had wrote about some old laptop ...
[22:11] <OneFix_Work> AceClown: It's actually kind of common for new projects to use a previous release. Because, when a new release comes out, there is a lot of activity and bugs related to the release. If you begun porting Ubuntu to the rPi, then you would want to begin porting on an older LTS version
[22:11] <AceClown> ahh yeah, I'm just trying to learn a bit of linux for when my Pi gets here
[22:12] <OneFix_Work> AceClown: Well, you can always use qemu then
[22:12] <AceClown> I thought I read somewhere on the Pi forums that ubuntu have said they do not want it on the Pi
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[22:12] <Gadget-Mac> RAThomas: i2c would be great :)
[22:13] <lars_t_h> AceClown, laerning to use the shell has a steep learning curve, but then arrive at the top of the learning curve you will solve a lot of you problems with the shell (bash)
[22:14] <lars_t_h> bourne again shell
[22:14] <RBlunderbuss> I believe the issue is that Ubuntu isn't supporting ARM devices in its latest releases, nothing against RPi itself
[22:14] <AceClown> I'll give that a "bash" lol
[22:14] <RBlunderbuss> but I could be wrong
[22:15] <des2> Yes the processor in the PI is a little backward progresswise
[22:15] <DJWillis> AceClown: more down to the fact that Ubuntu do not really want to support packages for < ARMv7 and in fairness, Ubuntu (distinct from a fork/sub-distro) is a very poor choice for the Pi ;)
[22:15] <des2> And Ubuntu has moved on
[22:15] <des2> Yes Ubuntu is becomming a memory hog with all their bells and whistles
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[22:16] <des2> Not reallly a distribution you'd want to run on the Pi
[22:16] <lars_t_h> des2, sounds like Windows
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[22:16] <DJWillis> des2: not really moved on so much as 'only got on the ARM bus when everyone had an A8 board to give devs ;)'
[22:16] <des2> There are reasons some people won't leave XP
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[22:17] <RAThomas> True. Good reason too, like not minding if they are part of a giant botnet, etc.
[22:17] <plugwash> hopefully in a few weeks time we will have a usable "armhf for pi" port of debian which should be the best choice for those who like deb based distros
[22:17] <des2> Older Ubuntu versions apparently will run on the PI though.
[22:17] <plugwash> (unofficial port that is)
[22:18] <DJWillis> A paired down distro on the RPi is very usable. The biggest issues by far is 2D/X screen updates for bigger screens. Punishing on the SoC to chuck that sort of framebuffer around.
[22:18] <des2> There are plenty of light-weight linuxes.
[22:18] * lars_t_h like Debian systems
[22:18] <lars_t_h> and *BSD systems too
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> DJWillis: pared
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[22:20] <DJWillis> SpeedEvil: ;-), typing and brain not getting on well tonight.
[22:21] <RBlunderbuss> google drive just launched, it would be great to get that working on the RPi somehow
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[22:22] <RAThomas> gee, I wonder if DSL will fit on the Pi?
[22:22] <RAThomas> ;)
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> DJWillis: Sorry - some things just pointlesly annoy.
[22:23] <DJWillis> RBlunderbuss: wait for Google to drop the code for the ChomeOS bindings.
[22:24] <lars_t_h> RBlunderbuss, you know the service agreement? That Google and its partners have a world wide license to use everything you upload to the drive
[22:24] <lars_t_h> w/o paying anything to you
[22:24] <RBlunderbuss> interesting
[22:24] <RAThomas> yeah, it's rather nasty. I wouldn't store anything there without encryption.
[22:24] <DJWillis> SpeedEvil: Nothing wrong with a little pedantry
[22:25] <RBlunderbuss> perhaps I'll have to encrypt it somehow...in any case, I had already purchased 80 gb for $20 a year, so I'm grandfathered in at that rate
[22:25] * lars_t_h want to ask Googel: Don't be evil?
[22:25] <RAThomas> might upload a TrueCrypt/RealCrypt container file, but not much else, if I cared about it
[22:25] <DJWillis> lars_t_h: hmmm, not looked into it as like a lot of these solutions they leave me cold but that is a crappy EULA ;)
[22:26] <RBlunderbuss> lars_t_h : thanks for pointing that out though, good to know!
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[22:27] <lars_t_h> DJWillis, it is a very crappy EULA - the Dropbox one however is very nive - it say you are the owner - and they can't use it
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[22:27] <lars_t_h> *s/nive/nice
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[22:29] <DJWillis> lars_t_h: but then Dropbox just use jam and string as a basis for a security model ;). Still, I don't like to store anything other that some small GPG encrypted bundles of things I find handy.
[22:30] <lars_t_h> DJWillis, i will always encrypt every that goes to any storage outside my home - 2Kbit RCA encryption should be fine
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[22:31] <OneFix_Work> anyone have luck booting QEMU from a physical SD Card?
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[22:33] <OneFix_Work> oh, kewl...I did now :)
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[22:35] <lars_t_h> OneFix_Work, i would try this : don't mount - Qemu can then read and write raw data
[22:35] <OneFix_Work> I do think there's no way to get it to work on Windows though
[22:35] <OneFix_Work> lars_t_h: Yea, that's what I did.
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[22:37] <lars_t_h> OneFix_Work, ah, i thought you were using linux, had you tried with QEMU on a Live system (a Linux system running from a CD or a USB flash disk)?
[22:37] <OneFix_Work> lars_t_h: I did, but I don't think I can get it to work with a windows laptop that I also have access to
[22:38] <OneFix_Work> I don't know of any way to make it so that windows can give QEMU the raw device
[22:38] <lars_t_h> OneFix_Work, that would require a Windows device driver = too much work
[22:41] <danieldaniel> Anyone mind if I say the F word once?
[22:41] <danieldaniel> Farnell cancelled my orders
[22:41] <danieldaniel> I only wanted them to cancel one
[22:41] <danieldaniel> they canceled both
[22:41] <danieldaniel> FFFFF
[22:41] <SimonT> can they un-cancel an order?
[22:42] <danieldaniel> Already asked
[22:42] <danieldaniel> Said they can't
[22:42] <SimonT> when did you place your order?
[22:42] <danieldaniel> the day it came out
[22:42] <danieldaniel> well, in the morning
[22:42] <SimonT> time?
[22:42] <danieldaniel> really in the morning
[22:42] <danieldaniel> lemem see
[22:42] <SimonT> bummer.. :/
[22:42] <danieldaniel> 07:06:31 29/02/2012
[22:43] <danieldaniel> not sure what time zone
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> oops
[22:43] <SimonT> oh damn..
[22:43] <danieldaniel> when did it start selling?
[22:43] <SimonT> that's around when mine was placed
[22:43] <SimonT> 06:00
[22:43] <danieldaniel> Wow
[22:43] * danieldaniel cries
[22:43] <danieldaniel> Well
[22:43] <SimonT> (i haven't had my order filled yet)
[22:43] <danieldaniel> I guess I'll only have one
[22:44] <danieldaniel> :(
[22:44] <OneFix_Work> I think that Allied Electronics is expecting a big shipment on Friday, because I was told that my unit from them should be shipping on the 30th...but Newark still hasn't updated my expected ship date
[22:44] <SimonT> I really should place an order with Allied
[22:45] <SimonT> do they change you when you place the order or when it's filled?
[22:45] <OneFix_Work> I'm pretty sure they won't charge until it's filled
[22:45] <lars_t_h> danieldaniel, had you tweeted you experience to Farnell and/or the RPF? They could start an investigation why that had happened
[22:45] <danieldaniel> lars_t_h: I asked them to cancel one
[22:45] <danieldaniel> They cancelled both
[22:46] <danieldaniel> I told them, and they said they couldn't undo it
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[22:46] <lars_t_h> danieldaniel, and you had talked with them about that?
[22:46] <danieldaniel> Yep
[22:46] <danieldaniel> email
[22:46] <BenO> There doesn't seem to be much correlation between the times that people are saying that they ordered, and the dates they are actually receiving
[22:46] <lars_t_h> if they don't know their computer or someone had made a mistake nothing will happen
[22:46] <OneFix_Work> danieldaniel: Sounds to me like someone was just being mean
[22:47] <danieldaniel> :(
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[22:48] <SimonT> BenO: i think there is, but it appears that Export Farnell is prioritizing orders placed in the UK (maybe Europe?) my order to Canada was placed before an order to UK and the UK one was filled over a week ago
[22:48] <OneFix_Work> lars_t_h: If they make a mistake and try to fix it, then I can believe it was an accident. But, when they try to cover it up by saying "there's nothing we can do", then it's on purpose.
[22:48] <lars_t_h> danieldaniel, do you have a register for interests both farnel and RS components
[22:49] <lars_t_h> OneFix_Work, i think you assume to much
[22:49] <SimonT> danieldaniel: I'd call them up and talk to someone about your oder
[22:50] <SimonT> some people are more helpful than other
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[22:50] <lars_t_h> OneFix_Work, it is maybe expensive, but i would had make a call to Farnell in UK
[22:50] <lars_t_h> *made
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[22:51] <OneFix_Work> lars_t_h: Well, if you don't mind expensive, there's always ebay
[22:51] <OneFix_Work> :)
[22:52] <lars_t_h> i don't think that a phone call be that kind of expensive
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[22:52] <AceClown> I got a 655*** order number and an expected date of 30th of april
[22:52] <AceClown> can't see it happening
[22:53] <SimonT> AceClown: which distributor?
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[22:53] <AceClown> farnell
[22:53] <AceClown> UK
[22:54] <OneFix_Work> AceClown: Actually, that seems to fall in line with what Allied Electronics (US arm of RS) told me...
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[22:55] <lars_t_h> AceClown, a lot of people has a, let us say, less than perfect, communication with farnell
[22:55] <lars_t_h> maybe i should feel lucky that i had choosed to order from RS
[22:56] <lars_t_h> *s/order/register for interest
[22:58] <AceClown> who knows
[22:58] <AceClown> not in any rush, my project is gonna take time anyway
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[23:01] <meeep> I registered for interest with both. Ended up preordering with Farnell because RS still haven't got any dates or preorder acceptance
[23:01] <meeep> Stupid thing is, I have a trade account with RS. Kinda feel like I don't want it any more :D
[23:01] <OneFix_Work> meeep: That's probably because Farnell is looking bad because they kept pushing back dates on orders...RS is probably playing it smart
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[23:03] <OneFix_Work> meeep: A manager at Allied Electronics said that a large shipment is expected next week (around the 30th) and most pre-orders will be filled from that batch
[23:05] <RAThomas> OneFix_Work: 'zat mean a shipment to the US? (I "ordered" from Newark)
[23:07] <OneFix_Work> RAThomas: That means a shipment from RS -> the US ... Newark is Farnell...I don't know what they are up to
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[23:10] <RAThomas> neither do I :(
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[23:12] <RAThomas> I was once of those moaning about the selection of RS and Farnell, though I'm not sure who could have done better. Allied and Newark are the places we think of at work when we need to order tape reels of components.
[23:12] <RAThomas> "hobbyist" stuff, not so much.
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[23:16] <des2> New Google policy: All your uploaded stuff belong to us
[23:17] <des2> In the US for computer stuff we tend to prefer Newegg
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[23:19] <ellipsis_> Hey, sorry, I'm sure these are really common questions but I can't find the answers (I did check the FAQ!) Does anyone know when the next shipment of RPs will be? I'd like to get one but they're out of stock. Also will the version A be out soon (there's only B out so far right?) as I don't think I really need an extra usb port or internet connection as I'll be using a powered usb hub anyway and can easily connec
[23:19] <ellipsis_> t a usb->internet convert to it. As there's a built in usb hub in version B will the two usb ports only be able to provide the power/bandwidth of 1 usb port? And if the internet in B also uses the USB interface will this also limit usb bandwidth? (do they even have bandwidth that is limited in this way?) Thanks.
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[23:22] <des2> ellipsis have you ordered a PI yet ?
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[23:22] <des2> Cause if not you have to wait til they catchup with already existing orders
[23:23] <des2> And they apparently won't be caught up til end of June or so.
[23:23] <mjr> ellipsis_, the total USB bandwidth available will be the same for A and B, the B's two ports are hubbed, and yes, also the ethernet interface will use a part of the shared USB bandwidth
[23:24] <mjr> so you'll get pretty much the same deal (packaging aside) by using an external hub and an usb ethernet adapter
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[23:27] <ellipsis_> mjr, Thanks.
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[23:28] <ellipsis_> des2, No. Not yet. I didn't realise it was a waiting list. Oh well I'm not in that much of a rush
[23:28] <ellipsis_> Thanks.
[23:29] <des2> They had over 100,000 orders already
[23:35] <RBlunderbuss> knowing what I know now (the power limitations) I think it will be almost always necessary to use a powered USB hub, and indeed a model A would work very fine for many people
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[23:36] <RBlunderbuss> the only big disadvantage is not have internet access to get your usb wifi working :P
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[23:56] <namfonos> anyone get nomachine running on Arch or anything else?
[23:58] <RBlunderbuss> namfonos : not that I'm aware of, I was looking at trying to build it - http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Installing_FreeNX_server_and_NX_Open_Source_Components seemed a plausible starting point

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