#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-04-26

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[0:00] <namfonos> well its available in the arch repo
[0:00] <namfonos> RBIunderbuss: so i don't have to build it myself
[0:00] <RBlunderbuss> ah, I don't know about that then - I have Debian going atm
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[0:15] <jimmy_> has anyone tried to run off an external hd?
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[0:16] <jimmy_> i think that using a small 256mb <= sd card for booting the kernel and then running hte main filesystem off an usb harddrive would be great
[0:16] <jimmy_> much better performance than just sd
[0:16] <OneFix_Work> jimmy_: It's possible, but you still need at least a 2GB SD card to boot from
[0:16] <jimmy_> well i could make my own sd
[0:16] <jimmy_> i dont think the kernel is that big
[0:16] <jimmy_> and neither are the boot files
[0:16] <jimmy_> just need to format my own fat partition, right?
[0:16] <jimmy_> i dont need to bother with the whole dd
[0:16] <OneFix_Work> jimmy_: But, the point is that the OS still needs to boot from the SD card
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[0:17] <jimmy_> no
[0:17] <jimmy_> if i understand correctly on the kernel needs to be started
[0:17] <hamitron> you should only need the stuff to boot on the SD
[0:17] <jimmy_> then you can mount the corrrect filesystem
[0:17] <jimmy_> for roott
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[0:18] <jimmy_> hamitron so just the boot.im start.elf whatever other boot pieces and the kernel.... then it would just be a matter of changing kernel command line arugments?
[0:18] <hamitron> I don't own a r-pi
[0:18] <OneFix_Work> jimmy_: Technically, yes...but why worry about it when it's harder to find a 256MB card than it is to find a 2GB card now. The 256MB cards are like ~$12 right now and a 2GB card is ~$3
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[0:19] <hamitron> the larger cards will be faster too
[0:19] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone : one more quick question for ya if you're around
[0:19] <OneFix_Work> hamitron: Maybe, but you want to stay away from Class 10
[0:20] <jimmy_> hmm well i was thinking of using a 1gb card, i have a bunch of those
[0:20] <hamitron> get the newest class you can then
[0:20] <zleap> OneFix_Work, why ?
[0:20] <hamitron> :)
[0:20] <hamitron> that works obviously
[0:20] <jimmy_> see the thing is it should be possible to remove the sd once the kernel boots
[0:20] <jimmy_> so then everything will run off the harddrive connect via usb
[0:20] <RBlunderbuss> does the SD card reader share the bus with the wifi/ethernet?
[0:21] <OneFix_Work> zleap: Class 10 is tuned for throughput on large files. People have found that (for instance) a Class 6 card is faster than the same Class 10 card for the small files that the linux OS needs.
[0:21] <jimmy_> RBlunderbuss no it does not
[0:21] <zleap> oh
[0:21] <zleap> ok thanks
[0:21] <jimmy_> sd card reader has pins connected on the bcom hip
[0:21] <RBlunderbuss> so that's another reason to use a fast SD card perhaps
[0:21] <jimmy_> the ethernet is connected via usb
[0:21] <hamitron> would that mean class 10 is better if you load the OS image into RAM?
[0:22] <zleap> but linux is lots of small files
[0:22] <jimmy_> well only for 1-2 seconds faster boot time
[0:22] <hamitron> zleap, I'm thinking a filesystem image
[0:22] <jimmy_> sd's arent that great for small files when they are a higher class
[0:22] <zleap> ah
[0:22] <jimmy_> if i recall correclty most class 10's suck at doing random writes
[0:23] <jimmy_> but are good for linear writes
[0:23] <RBlunderbuss> I did notice that my class 10 samsung micro sdhc 32 gb with micro to regular adapter absolutely CRAWLED with arch
[0:23] <zleap> i guess cameras need class 10 as they handle files of several megabytes
[0:23] <hamitron> zleap, and for reading 1 large file?
[0:23] <zleap> yeah
[0:23] <jimmy_> RBlunderbuss did you try a class 6?
[0:23] <OneFix_Work> RBlunderbuss: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[0:23] <RBlunderbuss> my other class 10, a 32 gb transcend, works fine - I don't own any class 6
[0:24] <zleap> i think the one in my amazon wish list is about class 6 then
[0:24] <zleap> but will take that in to account
[0:24] <jimmy_> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sdxc-sdhc-uhs-i,2940-10.html
[0:24] <RBlunderbuss> apparently these work well http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Flash-Memory-SDSDX-016G-X46/dp/B0037FLUYU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3D80IW5SRRM3C&colid=1BOQTWSU96DPR
[0:24] <OneFix_Work> jimmy_: SDXC cards won't work with the rPi
[0:25] <jimmy_> OH
[0:25] <jimmy_> RBlunderbuss nice find
[0:25] <hamitron> morale of the story
[0:25] <hamitron> give up on your r-pi, and post it to me
[0:25] <jimmy_> yeah the link was to show class 10 rnaomd performance
[0:25] <hamitron> ;/
[0:25] <jimmy_> random*
[0:25] <RBlunderbuss> jimmy_ forum post on raspberrypi.org - guy said that card was running nice and quick for him
[0:26] <jimmy_> wow yeah
[0:26] <jimmy_> that looks like a great card
[0:26] <jimmy_> that would be easier
[0:26] <jimmy_> thanks
[0:27] <RBlunderbuss> but, I already bought my 32 gb transcend and I'm not sure I can return it...heh, also its all setup and working
[0:27] <RBlunderbuss> np
[0:27] <OneFix_Work> RBlunderbuss: These are not much slower and are definitely cheaper ... http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Class-Memory-SD4-16GBET/dp/B0021L9BKQ/ref=pd_sim_e_4
[0:27] <hamitron> anyone tried MMC cards?
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[0:27] <RBlunderbuss> good fine
[0:27] <RBlunderbuss> *find
[0:28] <RBlunderbuss> I can't really afford to spend more on my RPi right now, so I'll use what I have and perhaps upgrade later
[0:28] <RBlunderbuss> splurged on a DVB-T dongle yesterday to try out this cheap SDR stuff
[0:28] <OneFix_Work> hamitron: I wouldn't ... newer flash technology is much better
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[0:28] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne : you asleep/
[0:29] <hamitron> OneFix_Work, well, I'd only need to boot from it each time the r-pi crashes
[0:29] <hamitron> ;)
[0:30] <OneFix_Work> :)
[0:30] <OneFix_Work> Anyone found a good case for cheap?
[0:31] <RBlunderbuss> I'm going to rapid prototype one when I get a final hardware configuration :)
[0:32] <RBlunderbuss> make a neat little package that is perhaps in the shape of a T.A.R.D.I.S. heh
[0:32] <OneFix_Work> RBlunderbuss: This is the cheapest one I've found. http://www.modmypi.com/products.php
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[0:32] <OneFix_Work> RBlunderbuss: Plus, it gives a kickback to the foundation for everyone sold
[0:33] <RBlunderbuss> nice looking case
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[0:35] <BenO> Where's a good place to get the slice of pi breakout boards?
[0:35] <mkopack> BenO: AFAIK, there's just the 1 company...
[0:36] <mkopack> Or do you mean the XBee modules to put on them?
[0:36] <OneFix_Work> BenO: You can buy them on ebay ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slice-of-Pi-add-on-Raspberry-Pi-XBee-XRF-I2C-SPI-breakout-and-proto-board-/320882750083?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ab61a3283
[0:36] <jimmy_> has anyone tried usb-dvi on the rp?
[0:36] <mkopack> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/
[0:36] <mkopack> It's STUPID cheap
[0:37] <mkopack> 3.25 quid
[0:37] <BenO> Sweet, thanks :)
[0:37] <BenO> I've been using a floppy cable and crocodile clips ;)
[0:37] <mkopack> I got mine about 2 weeks ago??? just waiting on the damn pie
[0:37] <mkopack> Pi
[0:37] <RBlunderbuss> interesting...so breakout boards just make all the pins easily accessible in one place?
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[0:38] <mkopack> RBlunderbuss: Well, that one makes it where it's female sockets instead of pins, so easier to just plug wires in, rather than using alligator clips to attach to the pins
[0:38] <RBlunderbuss> ah very handy
[0:38] <mkopack> I got it more for the Xbee socket??? Since I have a pair of those radios for robotics use
[0:38] <RBlunderbuss> they don't tell you this $35 machine needs $100 in extras though, do they
[0:39] <RBlunderbuss> mkopack if you're interested in radios, are you aware of the rtl-sdr thing?
[0:39] <mkopack> Well, at 3.25 quid, (It cost me like $8 shipped to the USA) I couldn't say no
[0:39] <mkopack> ?
[0:39] <mkopack> Software controlled radio?
[0:39] <BenO> $100 in extras?
[0:39] <RBlunderbuss> yeah for $20
[0:39] <ellipsis_> My school has decided to run a small "raspberry pi day" on July the 12th. They're already taken sign ups, however they're not yet told us to order them, just that we can (We must order our own). Being that July the 12th isn't that long away will we defiantly receive them in time if we order now? And more importantly shouldn't I ask the organiser to encourage the others to pre-order now?
[0:39] <mkopack> Heard something about it
[0:39] <OneFix_Work> RBlunderbuss: Well, they will be able to make a kit that will give you everything you need to get it started (minus the display) for ~$50
[0:39] <RBlunderbuss> Ben0 sd card, keyboard, powered hub, etc etc :P
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> ellipsis_: It's very unlikely as I understand it
[0:40] <RITRedbeard> Anyone doing a Pi cluster?
[0:40] <mkopack> ellipsis_: According to Element 14, if you ordered by April 18, you were pretty much guaranteed to get them by July1??? After that, by end of July
[0:40] <RBlunderbuss> ellipsis_ everyone should order asap, and you maay get it for July 16th if you're lucky
[0:40] <BenO> I think the powered hub is if you are going to hook up hds or similar high drain appliance
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[0:40] <jimmy_> mkopack i ordered the rtl-sdr
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[0:40] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: I thought it was JUNE 1 and end of JUNE
[0:41] <RBlunderbuss> Ben0 my wireless dongle doesn't work without a powered hub
[0:41] <jimmy_> its still being shipped from hong honk, it looks great for hacking
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> We now have in excess of 100,000 confirmed orders for the Raspberry Pi globally??and can confirm that??everyone????who ordered before 18th??April (i.e. today!) will definitely receive their Raspberry Pi before the end of June 2012, whatever your existing order confirmation says!
[0:41] <mkopack> I have more than enough "hobby" projects that I don't have time to work on as it is...
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> ??Those placing new orders from today can expect a July delivery
[0:41] <mkopack> I'm sure some of the guys at work would be interested in that SDR though
[0:41] <mkopack> I'll have to pass it on to them
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> (Today being some time ago)
[0:42] <BenO> RBlunderbuss, Ah in that case if you want to use it with wifi of that sort, then yes ;)
[0:42] <RBlunderbuss> mkopack yeah apparently it's for radio what the rpi is for linux
[0:42] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: So in other words, NO guarantee you'll get it by early/mid July if you are just ordering now
[0:42] <RBlunderbuss> Ben0 yeah it's the TP link that the tutorial exists for, just a basic USB wifi adapter
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Indeed.
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> ellipsis_: Order now, and you might have some chance of getting one by that date.
[0:43] <mkopack> do I even want to ask what sort of FCC headaches that SDR comes with?
[0:44] <BenO> Talking about FCC - how legit does this look? http://www.neul.com/
[0:44] <RBlunderbuss> mkopack I have no idea
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[0:44] <RBlunderbuss> mkopack its sdr-rx not sdr-tx so maybe not much
[0:45] <mkopack> Oh, well, what good is that then?
[0:45] <mkopack> I thought it was TX/RX paid
[0:45] <mkopack> pair
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> Naah
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> It's a TV tuner
[0:45] <RBlunderbuss> $20 spectrum analyzer?
[0:45] <RBlunderbuss> its a hacked tv tuner, yeah
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> It really sucks for low noise - it has no filters.
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> So it is prone to being deafened by local strong signals way off the tuned freq
[0:46] <RBlunderbuss> it mostly just seems like a random fun thing
[0:46] <RBlunderbuss> and cheap
[0:46] <RBlunderbuss> relativelyt
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> It is to proper spectrum analysers what spam is to fine sirloin.
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> Or course - there is the cheapness
[0:47] <RBlunderbuss> yeah I think that's the key
[0:47] <RBlunderbuss> and the fun hackiness of it
[0:48] <zleap> looks like the rs components page has been updated for the rasp PI,
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[0:48] <zleap> expecting 2nd delivery shortly and will be in touch, so hopefully the will be this time, i missed out on first batch
[0:49] <mkopack> Yeah,m I hope we see the 8000 from the first batch early next week, and the first RS/Farnell production run ones soon afterwards
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[0:50] <zleap> cool
[0:50] <zleap> i guess i am in the queue somewhere
[0:50] <mkopack> HOPING I'm in this next batch from the 8000, but it's a bit dicey??? might not be until the production run units...
[0:51] <zleap> so they are going to ramp up production
[0:51] <mkopack> I figure I'm at least 2000 deep in the Newark US queue
[0:51] <zleap> ah
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[0:51] <zleap> hmm, i guess at some point we are gonna be able to just buy them like we can with other computer gear
[0:52] <mkopack> So will just depend on how many of the 4000 Farnell will get out of that 8000 will be sent to the USA
[0:52] <RITRedbeard> Farnell hates us.
[0:52] <mkopack> yeah, probably around July they'll be caught up
[0:52] <RBlunderbuss> at least Farnell has a way to be emailed, dang RS - you can't even contact them
[0:52] <RITRedbeard> The Argentinans beat the shit out of Thatcher... why don't we just make UK the 53rd state?
[0:52] <ellipsis_> SpeedEvil, mkopack, RBlunderbuss, Thank you. I'll order one.
[0:53] <RITRedbeard> It would save us a ton of hassle.
[0:53] <mkopack> Who's the 52nd? Mexicant ?
[0:53] <mkopack> Sorry, Mexi-ho
[0:54] <RBlunderbuss> and the 51st is..Canada?
[0:54] <plugwash> zleap, presumablly but i'm guessing it will take a while, first the backlog of single unit orders has to be cleared, then the order quantity restrictions will be lifted which will presumablly create a new backlog
[0:55] <plugwash> and afaict no attempt has been made to gauge how big that second backlog will be
[0:55] <zleap> however by which time maybe they will have more places making them
[0:55] <zleap> until we run out of components, i guess someone has toi make all the chips etc
[0:56] <mkopack> Everyone know's Canada is the 51st
[0:56] <mkopack> :)
[0:56] <mkopack> Except for Quebec - you guys can keep those french prima-donnas :)
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[1:31] <AceClown_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[1:31] <AceClown_> lets start talking about pi projects now!
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> Here at RIT, in the college of science (building 7?)
[1:31] <meeep> what, in a pi channel? good luck with that.
[1:31] <RITRedbeard> on the first floor
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> there is a marble set of stairs and a little atrium
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> and on the stairs engraved in the marble are the first 100 digits of pi
[1:32] * bnmorgan (~bnmorgan@unaffiliated/bnmorgan) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> and other important mathematical and sciency shit
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[1:32] <RITRedbeard> like da vinci's perfect man
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> euler's identity
[1:32] <RITRedbeard> other cool stuff
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[1:35] <RITRedbeard> here is an image
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> http://cias.rit.edu/~jah6441/Pages/architecture_atrium.html
[1:35] <RITRedbeard> shitty one but
[1:35] <wizkid057> anyone get their rpi from farnell?
[1:36] <wizkid057> havent heard anything from them since their ETA email, which they've overshot
[1:36] <mkopack> wiz: some have??? but only like a couple hundred total are out in the wild
[1:36] <mkopack> wiz: relax, there's been a few delays??? you'll probably get it in May
[1:36] <AceClown_> 4 days till my estimated delivery daye wiz, and not a word from them
[1:36] <mkopack> End of June at the latest (and that's if you ordered really late)
[1:36] <mkopack> Ace: Again, CHILL
[1:36] <wizkid057> omg MAY!?
[1:37] <mkopack> Have you guys NOT been following the status news on the RPi website AT ALL?
[1:37] <AceClown_> I am chill
[1:37] * wizkid057 blows everything out of proportion
[1:37] <RITRedbeard> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eggplant/15824206/
[1:37] <RITRedbeard> higher view
[1:37] <wizkid057> AceClown_: my estimate was a few days ago, nothing from them yet
[1:37] <wizkid057> just a FYI
[1:37] <AceClown_> yeah, not hopeful
[1:38] <mkopack> guys, Mine was LAST MONTH??? Quit yer bit chin :) Stuff happened.
[1:38] <AceClown_> if it comes it comes
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> December
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> 2112
[1:38] <mkopack> The ehternet jack problem screwed things up
[1:38] <wizkid057> haha
[1:38] <RITRedbeard> \m/
[1:38] <AceClown_> if it don't then I'll just play xbox somemore
[1:38] <wizkid057> well, it'd be nice if they'd send a status report!
[1:39] <mkopack> So tired of seeing people posting complaining about "I haven't gotten it yet but my ship date was XYZ"??? READ THE NEWS PEOPLE! ALL the info about why you haven't gotten it yet IS OUT THERE.
[1:39] <wizkid057> no xbox... Tribes Ascend Beta :)
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[1:39] <mkopack> Ooooh Tribes!
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> I read the news on RPiF site
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> it said Liz finally discovered how to bake a cake
[1:39] <mkopack> I remember the original! Had SO much fun witht eh laser sniper rifle :)(
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> and that some "educator" is going to teach kids really shitty multi-paradigm interpreted languages
[1:39] <wizkid057> sniping is near impossible in the new one :-\
[1:39] <wizkid057> but i guess thats a good thing
[1:39] <mkopack> heh
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> like python and java
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> to name a few
[1:39] <mkopack> I liked the 2nd one??? that was fun with the deployables
[1:39] <mkopack> lost interest after that
[1:40] <wizkid057> RITRedbeard: but i like perl...
[1:40] <BenO> RITRedbeard, It could be worse
[1:40] <RITRedbeard> There is more than one way to kill Larry Wall.
[1:40] <wizkid057> and i dont know why I still remember BASIC
[1:40] <RITRedbeard> Actually, I'm going to make a movie... Kill Bill --> Kill Wall
[1:40] <BenO> RITRedbeard, They could be learning how to make 'websites' via powerpoint slides
[1:40] <wizkid057> haha
[1:41] <AceClown_> I know nothing of linux or programing at all, this is going to be an awesome challenge
[1:41] <wizkid057> i thought thats what Word was for?
[1:41] <BenO> wizkid057, True, GCSE ICT used to accept that as coursework too
[1:41] <wizkid057> ...
[1:41] <AceClown_> plan to make full remote camera control for my 60D
[1:41] <BenO> wizkid057, Oh you thought I was kidding? :)
[1:42] <wizkid057> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Hello world!</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Hello world!</BODY></HTML>
[1:42] <AceClown_> and a second one with batteries that I can leave places to snoop on and hack wifi networks
[1:42] <BenO> wizkid057, If you taught nothing more than what is demanded, the ICT course was little more than a howto with ppt and word
[1:42] <RITRedbeard> linux is the shit
[1:42] <RITRedbeard> linux is like smoking weed
[1:42] <RITRedbeard> at first you're like no way man people say that shit will kill your brain
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> then you try it and you're like, holy shit this is awesome
[1:43] <AceClown_> haha, that is deffo not my experience with linux
[1:43] <zleap> :)
[1:43] <wizkid057> my g/f told me she was taking a programming course
[1:43] <RITRedbeard> okay maybe some bunk experiences in between
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[1:43] <wizkid057> a few years back
[1:43] <AceClown_> I tried it years ago and took ages getting it set up and then tried to play an MP3 file...
[1:43] <wizkid057> i was like, "orly? what language?"
[1:44] <wizkid057> Visual Basic
[1:44] <wizkid057> hmm... ok, well at least its not something based in Office
[1:44] <AceClown_> makin menus erry day
[1:44] <friggle> shirro: just responded to you on github (I'm asb there). s3c-hsotg is probably by far the best route to go for getting an upstreamable usb driver
[1:44] <friggle> shirro: you're right that dwc wouldn't get upstreamed. APM tried to submit it last year and it seems gave up after v15 :)
[1:44] <wizkid057> come to find out that the "professor" didnt really understand anything about programming
[1:45] <wizkid057> not even visual basic... any time someone asked a question, he googled for the answer
[1:45] <shirro> I was referring to this email which mentions the s3 - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.openwrt.devel/12602
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[1:45] <wizkid057> s/asked a question/asked a question not in his powerpoint/
[1:45] <BenO> wizkid057, Wow, that is poor!
[1:46] <wizkid057> I had my g/f mess him up a few times... with crazy simple stuff... "Can you explain the differences between the variable datatypes?"
[1:46] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure I understand anything about programming... well, that's how Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs is making me feel right now.
[1:46] <shirro> friggle: I don't know if they are the same dwc or not. I am just catching up with this.
[1:47] <wizkid057> "How big of a number can I use in a Byte?"
[1:47] <wizkid057> like, this guy was clueless
[1:47] <friggle> shirro: ah, great link. I last really dug around before christmas so I missed that o
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> 'can you tell if a program will halt' ?
[1:47] <friggle> *one
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[1:47] <BenO> wizkid057, Heh :) a similar (quite sad) story - paragraph 7 http://www.kernelmag.com/comment/opinion/191/a-young-persons-code/
[1:49] <wizkid057> BenO: ...
[1:50] <wizkid057> I got my first satisfying "Hello world!" on screen when I was 6 years old... lol
[1:50] <wizkid057> 20-some-odd years ago...
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[1:52] <BenO> wizkid057, and finger's crossed with the Pi, more kids will do the same :)
[1:52] <wizkid057> yeah, thats one of the things i definitely like about this project
[1:52] <mkopack> hehe, youngin
[1:52] <wizkid057> first, no windows... so, this automatically forces most people to learn something new
[1:53] <mkopack> sure there's windows - you can run X if you want
[1:53] <wizkid057> s/windows/Microsoft Windows 7/
[1:53] <BenO> mkopack, I think he means Windows, not windows
[1:53] <mkopack> Oh, gotchya yeah
[1:54] <BenO> And it can't really be used as the 'family' computer either
[1:54] <wizkid057> yeah
[1:54] <wizkid057> well, maybe
[1:54] <BenO> Farmville will be a very painful experience indeed
[1:54] <wizkid057> lol
[1:54] <mkopack> impossible actually??? don't you need Flash?
[1:54] <wizkid057> could probably get android going on it eventually
[1:54] <BenO> mkopack, I have no idea - I haven't had a fb account in years
[1:54] <wizkid057> make a raspitab
[1:56] <wizkid057> admittedly, i have not done a lot of research on the raspberry pi
[1:56] <wizkid057> out of curiosity, whats the voltage level of the GPIO pins?
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> 3.3V
[1:57] <wizkid057> hmm... will interface with a low speed AVR then still
[1:57] <Hydrazine> wel, a high speed (5V) avr wil see 3.3V as a high signal
[1:57] <wizkid057> well, AVR would accept it as input even running at 5V... but
[1:57] <wizkid057> lol, was just typing that
[1:58] <Hydrazine> hehe
[1:58] <RITRedbeard> how much is the model B after taxes and shit?
[1:58] <wizkid057> but, wouldnt want to output at 5V to the pi :P
[1:58] <Hydrazine> nah
[1:58] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: USA?
[1:58] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[1:58] <Hydrazine> but a voltage divider isn't that much work
[1:58] <wizkid057> nah
[1:58] <BenO> wizkid057, there's also the serial + softwareserial? Not sure what you need when you say interfacing
[1:58] <mkopack> $35+ figure another $10 for ground shipping + taxes
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[1:59] <Hydrazine> got mine for around 45 euro's i think
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> so $3500 for a hundred of em?
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> find some old nabisco switches
[1:59] <RITRedbeard> I HAVE A PLAN
[1:59] <mkopack> No, more like $4500
[1:59] <wizkid057> BenO: i just built a custom EVSE charge controller for my Chevy Volt using a small AVT microcontroller... would be nifty to throw the raspi in there and interface with it, a cheap usb wifi dongle, and have it be remotely accessable with stats and all
[1:59] <wizkid057> *AVR
[1:59] <mkopack> maybe somewhere between since you'd get batch shipping cheaper than 1 by 1
[2:00] <wizkid057> to do all that with just the AVR would be expensive and labor intensive
[2:01] <BenO> wizkid057, sounds like a cool idea
[2:01] <wizkid057> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DoKaAS-NtyE/T21OL0LWESI/AAAAAAAAbiQ/oFJidtrrqa4/s800/IMAG0488.jpg
[2:01] <wizkid057> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B3-C_MT_CVE/T21Na9SGrFI/AAAAAAAAbiA/LYb7A6EanB4/s800/IMAG0485.jpg
[2:02] <wizkid057> yay for midnight dev sessions
[2:02] <wizkid057> lol
[2:02] <wizkid057> and yay for electrical tape :)
[2:03] <BenO> wizkid057, Ooo shiny :)
[2:03] <Hydrazine> looks nice
[2:03] <wizkid057> havent gotten around to printing a PCB for it yet
[2:04] <Hydrazine> it's a charge controller?
[2:04] <BenO> wizkid057, How many useable pins have you got left on the AVR?
[2:04] <wizkid057> BenO: only using 5 right now, so, pleanty
[2:05] <wizkid057> Hydrazine: the J1772 standard (EV charging) means the actual charger is built into the vehicle... the EVSE is just the controller that tells the car, "I have X amps available, let me know when your ready."
[2:05] <BenO> wizkid057, This may not be the best way, but I tend to use serial (2 wire) between chips (and now the pi)
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[2:06] <wizkid057> BenO: would probably be fine... i have pleanty of AVR cpu time left over
[2:06] <wizkid057> its using the PWM to make a 1KHz pilot signal at varying duty cycles
[2:06] <wizkid057> and... thats about the extent of it's heavy lifting
[2:07] <wizkid057> just have a couple LEDs for status and two buttons to increase/decrease the amount of amperage it tells the car is available
[2:08] * Hydrazine suddenly imagines people charging their Rpi devices at vehicle charging stations
[2:08] <wizkid057> haha
[2:08] <wizkid057> a rpi with a J1772 port... lol
[2:08] <BenO> wizkid057, should be fine then - it can do some short term counting perhaps and pass that to the Pi to tally and keep the fancy stats?
[2:08] * wizkid057 feeds 240V @ 30A to the rpi
[2:08] <wizkid057> *poof*
[2:08] <Hydrazine> xD
[2:08] <wizkid057> BenO: yeah
[2:08] <BenO> wizkid057, Ah the magic blue smoke, the smell of success
[2:09] <BenO> (Speaking of which, has anyone toasted their Pi yet?)
[2:09] <IT_Sean> feeding mains voltage to a raspi would be A Bad Thing
[2:09] <Hydrazine> nope
[2:09] <IT_Sean> Not yet, that we have heard of.
[2:09] <Hydrazine> mine is still fine
[2:09] <BenO> I saw that someone shorted it and blew the fuse
[2:09] <BenO> but it recovered and the smoke stayed put
[2:09] <wizkid057> BenO: oh, and I'm now using one of the ADCs to measure the charge current using a small circuit and a CT
[2:10] <wizkid057> so, it knows how many watts (approx, since it doesnt measure the true voltage) are being pulled
[2:10] <BenO> Nice
[2:10] <wizkid057> more stats! :)
[2:10] <BenO> And graphs!
[2:10] <Hydrazine> I got lxc (container based virtualisation) working on my raspberry pi today, I just don't know yet wheter its usefull
[2:10] <wizkid057> exactly
[2:10] <Hydrazine> oo, nice
[2:10] <BenO> PI CHARTS!
[2:11] <wizkid057> BenO: i spent a day reverse engineering the Onstar Remotelink app the other day
[2:11] <wizkid057> building an sql database full of 5-minute interval stats
[2:11] <BenO> heh
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[2:11] <Hydrazine> I think I'm going to use my Rpi to monitor my house, like graph all the things
[2:12] <wizkid057> i now have about two full days of odometer readings, battery level, fual level, charge voltage, etc etc
[2:12] <wizkid057> *fuel
[2:12] <wizkid057> even tire pressure... lol
[2:12] <Hydrazine> nice
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[2:12] <BenO> tasty stats :)
[2:13] <wizkid057> http://pastebin.com/6aZr2weY
[2:13] <wizkid057> ... not that its all that legible yet since I didnt make the graphs yet :P
[2:13] <Hydrazine> looks like it's not charging :P
[2:14] <Hydrazine> cant make anything else of those numbers :P
[2:14] <wizkid057> Hydrazine: yeah, its set to start at 10PM (off peak power)
[2:14] <wizkid057> lets see...
[2:14] <wizkid057> let me find my trip home...
[2:14] <Hydrazine> it did not move :P
[2:15] <bikcmp> wizkid057: I<3U
[2:15] <bikcmp> :P
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[2:15] <wizkid057> bikcmp: I<3U2
[2:15] <wizkid057> :P
[2:15] <bikcmp> wizkid057: you wouldn't happen to know what time sprint retention is open til
[2:15] <bikcmp> would you?
[2:15] <bikcmp> lo
[2:15] <bikcmp> o
[2:15] <bikcmp> lol*
[2:16] <wizkid057> bikcmp: usually get egypt after ~6PM
[2:16] <wizkid057> http://pastebin.com/QgEthWHy <--- trip home from work
[2:16] <bikcmp> wizkid057: hm.
[2:16] <bikcmp> wizkid057: but, as long as i get /someone/
[2:17] <wizkid057> you'll almost always get *someone*
[2:17] <Hydrazine> 45Km or miles?
[2:17] <wizkid057> just might not be someone helpful
[2:17] <wizkid057> Hydrazine: miles
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[2:18] <wizkid057> drove 94 miles today...
[2:18] <wizkid057> :-\
[2:18] <wizkid057> 61.72 all electric though :)
[2:19] <wizkid057> i'm a sucker for stats... lol
[2:19] <wizkid057> gonna get a few more days of data before I do my graphs and such i think
[2:19] <Hydrazine> graph ALL the things
[2:20] <wizkid057> its neat to see the tire pressures increase as I get going and such
[2:21] <danieldaniel> wizkid057: You're in here too?
[2:21] <mkopack> eh, I ran the numbers when I was looking at new cars to buy - the hybrids just do NOT make sense to me...
[2:21] <wizkid057> danieldaniel: no, its your imagination
[2:21] <wizkid057> :)
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[2:21] <danieldaniel> :O
[2:21] <wizkid057> mkopack: where are you?
[2:21] <wizkid057> GA, USA, nm
[2:21] <wizkid057> lol
[2:22] <wizkid057> mkopack: most hybrids dont, nope
[2:22] <mkopack> For the price difference between the Volt and the Cruze (which is nearly the same size/shape and car), driving 20K/miles year (which is actually a little low for me) with $4 (and even tried with $5 gas) it would take 8 years before the Volt ended up being more cost effective
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[2:22] <mkopack> and that's WITHOUT factoring in the higher interest on the higher payments for the higher sticker price
[2:22] <wizkid057> mkopack: factor in the tax credit?
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[2:22] <mkopack> Yes
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[2:23] <SpeedEvil> And then there is going with an actually low consumption car.
[2:23] <mkopack> Until the cost difference between the hybrid and the gas powered = 0, it just doesn't make sense
[2:23] <wizkid057> mkopack: for me, it works out very well
[2:23] <mkopack> Exactly. the Cruze, very similar car to the Volt, gets around 40 MPH highway
[2:23] <wizkid057> i drive ~25k miles per year
[2:23] <mkopack> But costs $20K less
[2:24] <BenO> https://twitter.com/#!/msllama/status/195304000806068224/photo/1 Interesting hint as to how it works. (UK bustops sometimes have these)
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> There are cars out there getting close to 70 (US)
[2:24] <mkopack> I can buy a LOT of gas for $20K even at $5/gak
[2:24] <wizkid057> I have what amounts to free electricity (asked to charge off peak, when possible)
[2:24] <cjbaird> I could buy a lot of scooters for $20K ... :D
[2:24] <wizkid057> AND i can charge most placed I work for free
[2:24] <wizkid057> *places
[2:25] <wizkid057> so, knocked my fuel cost from > $3k/yr to near nothing
[2:25] <cjbaird> Sir Clive was working on another electric scooter thingie a few years ago...
[2:26] <mkopack> 20,000 / 5 = 4000 gal * 40 MPG = 160000 miles before the volt is costing less to own lifetime
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Most energy efficient cars - http://motability.co.uk/main.cfm - click 'higher rate mobility' in the form on the left, then 'find cars' Sort by MPG high to low, and skip to page 4 because their sort blows.
[2:26] <wizkid057> 160k is nothing...
[2:26] <mkopack> It is when you consider that most people don't keep cars more than 8 years before getting a new one
[2:26] <wizkid057> but, i think its less for me still
[2:27] <mkopack> that means most people wouldn't even see the break even point before they're ready to trade in
[2:27] <wizkid057> I also get to write off my my milage at a higher rate with the volt because of its value
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> - the MPG are UK gallons of course - which are 10% larger than UK
[2:27] <wizkid057> so, lots of tax stuff at work for me with the Volt
[2:27] <mkopack> US gal
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[2:28] <wizkid057> mkopack: in the end, its costing me about 5% less total cost of ownership per year than the car I traded towards it
[2:28] <mkopack> (Plus it's a GD GM car and I *HATE* GM cars??? F'ing romper room kindergarden styling inside???)
[2:28] <BenO> http://www.mytravelcost.com/petrol-prices/ is a handy way to compare petrol prices, country-by-country
[2:28] <mkopack> What were you driving before???
[2:28] <BenO> (Check out where the UK sits!)
[2:29] <wizkid057> mkopack: https://picasaweb.google.com/108165534831758159470/2011CRZEX?authuser=0&feat=directlink
[2:29] <mkopack> Avis gave me a Cruze last week when I was on travel??? I about wanted to put my fist through the dash??? POS??? not to mention the gash I have on my leg from whacking it on the dash while getting into the little Sh*tbox
[2:29] <wizkid057> and i was getting about 35 mpg on a driving-like-a-normal-human tank with that car
[2:30] <wizkid057> (was able to get it up to 54 mpg hypermiling like crazy, though)
[2:30] <mkopack> See, I get better than 21 in my mixed driving around atlanta??? In an EXPLORER...
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[2:30] <SpeedEvil> It's interesting on the above list that it starts off as you'd expect on tiny engines. but then turbodiesel kicks in, and dominates entirely >65MPG
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[2:31] <mkopack> Which I think is fantastic since I can fit 6 and tow 3500 lbs??? Do that in your Volt??? I don't think so
[2:31] <mkopack> I did 8 years in a ScionXa before that and got ~40 MPG???
[2:31] <mkopack> (Even driving it like a maniac)
[2:32] <wizkid057> mkopack: the volt has a surprising amount of power...
[2:32] <wizkid057> dont underestimate it... lol
[2:32] <mkopack> it has TORQUE, because of the electric...
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> There was an amusing 'race' between a prius and a stupidly large sportscar - the sportscar following the prius going as fast as it could round hte track.
[2:32] <mkopack> But it's not going to tow a trailer with motorcycles on it
[2:32] <mkopack> Which I do from time to time.
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> Sportscar used less fuel.
[2:33] <mkopack> (I always got interesting looks when I did that with the Scion??? lol. Trailer was as big as the car!)
[2:33] <wizkid057> wow, i have 100+ ft/lbs of torque MORE than the explorer
[2:33] <wizkid057> :P
[2:33] <wizkid057> while I dont think its designed to tow anything, i'm sure it could tow a small trailer if it were fitted to do so
[2:34] <wizkid057> not going to get very good electric efficiency/mpg though
[2:34] <mkopack> Anyhow??? glad you like it, but the numbers just didn't make sense to me...
[2:34] <mkopack> When hybrids get down in price to be ~ same as gas, then I'll consider one
[2:34] <wizkid057> mkopack: yeah, just depends on the situation... for me, Uncle Sam is going to cover near half of the cost over the next 5 years... add near free fuel to that and I'm golden
[2:34] <mkopack> I con't do full electric as my round trip is often 100 miles a day to work and back plus errands
[2:35] <wizkid057> mkopack: my round trip to my average job is just under 100 miles
[2:35] <wizkid057> and I've been getting ~45 miles to a charge... and since I can charge at the job, almost no gas for me still
[2:35] <mkopack> Yeah, I'd have to do hybrid. Electrics just won't make it unless I could charge it up all day while at work (which I can't)
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> For me, 10 miles'd do most trips.
[2:35] <mkopack> plus I often do long drives to NY at least once a year to visit the family, and can't do that in an electric
[2:36] <wizkid057> can do that in the Volt
[2:36] <mkopack> yeah...
[2:36] <wizkid057> i took it to NC a few a weeks ago (525 miles each way)
[2:36] <mkopack> But then there's still the - It's a GD GM car??? No thanks! LOL
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[2:36] <wizkid057> haha
[2:36] <wizkid057> oh, and even if I dont charge at work...
[2:37] <mkopack> *IF* I was going to go hybrid it would have been a Hybrid Escape, or Highlander, or Honda Pilot.
[2:37] <mkopack> Sick of dinky cars
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[2:37] <mkopack> wanted something bigger with capacity and a bit of luxery
[2:37] <wizkid057> 100 miles minus 45 electric + 55 gas @ 40MPG avg = 1.375 gallons of gas... = ~72 mpg effective efficieny
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[2:38] <wizkid057> i should be a Volt sales person
[2:38] <wizkid057> lol
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[2:38] <hamitron> I prefer these cars that turn off cylinders when you are not hammering them
[2:39] <wizkid057> hamitron: Impala ?
[2:39] <hamitron> and we should remove safety features, to reduce the weight
[2:39] <wizkid057> lol
[2:39] <wizkid057> i think its funny that the volt weighs clost to 2 tons
[2:40] <wizkid057> Curb weight 3,781 lb (1,715 kg)
[2:40] <wizkid057> two ton hatchback...
[2:40] <hamitron> should ban A/C too
[2:40] <wizkid057> haha
[2:40] <hamitron> certainly in countries like the UK
[2:40] <hamitron> :)
[2:41] <BenO> Hush, we need it too - and heated seats!
[2:41] <wizkid057> technically I could remove the ICE and components from the volt and drop a half-ton
[2:41] <wizkid057> and still be drivable
[2:42] <wizkid057> anyways, wow... I've been bs'ing in here for an hour now... must do something productive
[2:42] <hamitron> must admit, tempted with heated gloves for my motorbike
[2:42] <hamitron> :)
[2:42] <hamitron> but it isn't really hardcore is it? ;/
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[2:48] <BenO> Yay, wb PiBot ;)
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[2:48] <hamitron> PiBot, is useless
[2:48] <hamitron> :/
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[2:50] <BenO> Yes, but it's trying its hardest.
[2:50] <hamitron> guess so
[2:50] <cjbaird> Ganbare PiBot!
[2:51] <BenO> PiBot rides the special bus to IRC!
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[2:52] <shirro> !w
[2:52] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Thu Apr 26 15:30:00 2012. Temp 15??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 88%.
[2:52] <hamitron> !w
[2:52] <PiBot> hamitron: in York, York. Temp 47??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 92%, Later 48??F - 45??F. Condition: Rain.
[2:53] <hamitron> it remembers me \o/
[2:53] <hamitron> damn, colder than I realised
[2:54] <RBlunderbuss> !w
[2:54] <RBlunderbuss> ha, it does not know me
[2:55] <SpeedEvil> !w
[2:55] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 280K. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 93%, Later 280K - 279K. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[2:55] <hamitron> doesn't like you more like ;)
[2:56] <hamitron> how many kelvin is it, water freezes?
[2:56] <ajtag> have people played with SD's that a stubborn to boot?
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> It's cold, but not freezing.
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> ajtag: yes
[2:56] <mkopack> 273 kevin =0 C
[2:56] * ajtag is seeing odd behaviour
[2:56] <hamitron> mkopack, ty
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[2:57] <SpeedEvil> I think BenO had problems finding a SD card which worked
[2:57] <ajtag> cards listed as good, but not booting unles they have a "kick"strat
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> (04:30:20 PM) BenO: shirro, I know - it's just that this card I've been booting from has just decided not to work, or be re-dd'd
[2:57] <RBlunderbuss> anyone seen an xmbc or omxplayer binary?
[2:58] <ajtag> ok,
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[2:58] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: use the source
[2:58] <ajtag> i am getting oddness dumped to the console as well
[2:59] <RBlunderbuss> shirro the source hates me, I'm awful at compiling it seems
[2:59] <ajtag> BenO: did you ever get those cards booting again?
[3:00] <ajtag> i think bending the card (i know) sometimes starts it booting
[3:01] <ajtag> anyone else investigated such things?
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[3:03] <RBlunderbuss> shirro are you cross-compiling?
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[3:06] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: I don't have a real pi to test those on. I have an armv7 board that runs armv6 code with 1G ram and a sata hard drive. So technically I have been compiling natively recently. I do have cross compilers and distcc set up as well but have only used them to compile some kernels when I was impatient.
[3:08] <RBlunderbuss> shirro hrm...yeah I have a real pi, but don't really know how to get cross-compiling working that well here. So stuck trying to use scratchbox2 and qemu on a virtualbox
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[3:09] <shirro> scratchbox2 seems really good. I wish I had more patience for it. lack of docs didn't help
[3:11] <RBlunderbuss> yeah it's a little mysterious ... ukscone knows whats up with it pretty well though, and has created a vbox image with it ready to do and a tutorial for setting it up yourself . I just need to figure out how to use it now
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[3:16] <RBlunderbuss> anyone tried hexxeh's rpi-update?
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[3:17] <wcchandler> I've had quite a bit of success running from a 4 year old sandisk micro sd card through an adapter. heh. Then again I don't care much about speed :/
[3:17] <ukscone> RBlunderbuss: basically use the same commands as you would normally do e.g. .configure, make, gcc but preefix it with sb2 (that's at the simplest level)
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[3:18] <ukscone> RBlunderbuss: so instead of gcc -o hello hello.c you's type sb2 gcc -o hello hello.c
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[3:18] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone ok, I will give that a shot thanks. I had been running sb2 hello.arm for some reason lol
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[3:20] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone is there a tutorial for putting binaries that you compile with your torrent vbox image onto the pi and installing them? It's likely simple, but I'm new to linux and my knowledge is sparse
[3:20] <ukscone> RBlunderbuss: if i rememebred to do it in the vm i linked the apache2 dir to the build dir i said to build in so you can wget from the pi
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[3:21] <ukscone> i think i rememebered to do it but if not install apache2 and symlink your homedir in /var/www then you can wget
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[3:22] <ukscone> when people stop being ill and i can finally get some work doneee i'll write up the sbrsh and sshrs instructions
[3:26] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone ah ok, cool - last question for now is how to make debian the default?
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[3:30] <ukscone> RBlunderbuss: sb2-config -d default-target
[3:30] <ukscone> forgot what i called them but someething like
[3:30] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone thanks!
[3:30] <ukscone> sb2-config -d debian6.....
[3:33] <DaQatz> Hmmm someone from in chan has been trying to hack one of my servers.
[3:35] <RBlunderbuss> that sounds bad
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[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, any plans for that sbrsh tutorial?
[3:42] <RBlunderbuss> hexxeh : you around?
[3:42] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: plans for but ppl home sick so i can't work
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[3:42] <ukscone> when people are hom during the day it just throws me off
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, fair enough
[3:43] <ukscone> and they annoy me too
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, does your wicd automatically connect to wireless when pi starts?
[3:44] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: it's pretty simple though, just need to get fuse configured on the raspi and a user and ssh kys that match the sb2 host
[3:44] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne nope, need to connect it each time so far. I think you can change the level of wicd to autostart the daemon, but afaik you still need to tell it to connect to a network
[3:44] <ukscone> then sb2-init with that info and some other bits and bobs
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, that's strange... it has the "autoconnect to this network" option, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, yeah it doesn't look too tricky, but I am lazy.
[3:46] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne yeah I dunno - in the meantime I just leave it turned on at home
[3:46] <ukscone> :)
[3:47] <RBlunderbuss> this is annoying
[3:47] <Cheery> anyone happens to know where kernel.img loads itself.. or whether it even matters?
[3:47] <RBlunderbuss> it appears one of my passwords contain characters that do things in bash
[3:47] <RBlunderbuss> so I cant login to things
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[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... yes kernel.img matter a LOT.
[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne> *matters
[3:49] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you are asking whether it matters where it loads... in which case, I don't see why it would.
[3:49] <Cheery> and well.. the GPU loads it actually.. but I wonder where it ends up to when booting
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I can compile a kernel.. it boots and works the way I configured it.. I am happy.
[3:50] <Cheery> as.. what is the address it starts executing from? as it executes from the start of kernel.img :)
[3:50] <RBlunderbuss> nice, RPi playing spotify
[3:50] <RBlunderbuss> audio over hdmi working great
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[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, there's some voodoo at the start, but people are saying that voodoo is just arm instructions.
[3:51] <wizkid057> All your pi's are belong to me
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[3:51] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: I know that already
[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Would be kind of strange to skip that then wouldn't it?
[3:51] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: it's quite obvious what that 'voodoo' is.
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, ah, enlighten me please
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[3:53] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: the kernel.img ends up somewhere in system memory of rpi.. after done, it starts the CPU if it wasn't on already.
[3:54] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but what does the first32k do? that's the voodoo I was referring to.
[3:54] <Cheery> that code. I haven't diassembled it yet. But I bet it looks up the linux kernel entry point and branches to it
[3:54] <Cheery> the first32k is mostly empty. :)
[3:54] <Cheery> a reason to that I don't know.
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[3:55] <ShiftPlusOne> well it gets combined with the kernel and bootloader parameters (whatever those are), so those might tell where to start from
[3:56] <Cheery> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/blob/master/mkimage/imagetool-uncompressed.py
[3:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[3:57] <Cheery> first32k.bin is combination of boot and args. and zeros
[3:57] <RBlunderbuss> how easy is it to pull xmbc and omxplayer from liam frasers image and put them on an existing debian card?
[3:57] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a bit of other stuff in the default file
[3:57] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: so it's not an additional voodoo. there's just bootcode in 0x0 and args in 0x100
[3:58] <Cheery> though maybe I know now where it starts from
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess then disassembling the bootcode would answer your question. I haven't seen anyone actually get far looking into it.
[3:59] <Cheery> the kernel starts in 0x0 physical address.. I guess. :)
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[3:59] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: my careful analysis it doesn't need to be disassembled.
[3:59] <Cheery> from the glance it's just generic instructions anyway
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> well if you're sure and you're right, that's awesome.
[4:01] <Cheery> I'm not sure until I'll get my hands on the actual hardware
[4:01] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[4:02] <Cheery> the first thing I'll do with my raspberry pi is to check that it works with debian image.
[4:02] <Cheery> after that I'll make a potential divider circuit and connect my USB-TTL on it.
[4:02] <ajtag> have people worked out why some SD's are not booting?
[4:02] <Cheery> and see whether it still works with debian image
[4:03] <Cheery> after that I'll replace the kernel.img with something that should communicate with UART :)
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[4:04] <RBlunderbuss> ok here is something truly weird
[4:04] <Cheery> ajtag: haven't attempted to lookup whether someone has explained it
[4:04] <RBlunderbuss> I'm using my Samsung TV as a display, and it seems to think the RPi is an Anynet+ device sometimes
[4:04] <ajtag> turns out if one were to accidentially swap out a booting sdcard for a non booting one once the K is loaded then it boots fine
[4:04] <RBlunderbuss> switching sources on it occasionally says "disconnecting anynet+ device"
[4:06] <Cheery> RBlunderbuss: maybe it says that of any computer connected to your TV through hdmi
[4:06] * ajtag has 1 booting sd with "issues", 1 non booting thats great once loaded and 7 hrs to teach ppl to use it :(
[4:07] <Cheery> RBlunderbuss: it hints about a cool feature.
[4:07] <ajtag> well 7 hrs to prepare a presentation on how to use it
[4:07] <Cheery> RBlunderbuss: would let you control all the devices through single remote control.
[4:07] <RBlunderbuss> Cheery that could be neat
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[4:29] <RBlunderbuss> ukscone so it says: hello - no such file or directory
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe that should be ./hello ?
[4:31] <wcchandler> heh
[4:31] <wcchandler> might have to +x it too
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> gcc outputs stuff +x'ed though
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and it would say permission denied
[4:32] <RBlunderbuss> no such file or directory - no input files
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the command you're putting in?
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[4:33] <RBlunderbuss> sb2 gcc -o hello hello.c
[4:33] <RBlunderbuss> on ukscone s ubuntu dev vbox
[4:34] <Cheery> hmm
[4:34] <Cheery> to access UART in raspberry pi
[4:34] <ShiftPlusOne> looks right to me
[4:34] <Cheery> - set interrupt table
[4:34] <Cheery> - configure UART interrupts
[4:34] <Cheery> - enable GPIO, enable UART
[4:35] <RBlunderbuss> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: hello: no such file or directory
[4:35] <Cheery> - use through memory mapped registers.
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, that should be output, I don't know why it's treating it like it's an input
[4:36] <RBlunderbuss> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: no input files
[4:36] <RBlunderbuss> is the 2nd line of the error
[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> try copy/paste this: sb2 gcc -o hello.arm hello.c
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[4:37] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're sure hello.c is there and contains hello world?
[4:38] <Cheery> why sb2?
[4:38] <ShiftPlusOne> because sb2 is awesome
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[4:41] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne that worked for some reason, though that's what I had tried first I could have sworn...
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like you missed the -o or something
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe were dyslexic and put the -o before hello.c rather than just hello
[4:43] <RBlunderbuss> yeah dunno
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[4:55] <RBlunderbuss> does anyone know if it would be easy to take the binary for XMBC and omxplayer from Liam Frasers image file and put them into my normal debian install? Or how to do that?
[4:55] <RITRedbeard__> :(
[4:55] <RITRedbeard__> I think I am the only one who doesn't give a shit about XMBC and Raspberry Pi together
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[4:56] <RBlunderbuss> what I actually care about is that media player
[4:56] <RBlunderbuss> since I can't play media atm
[4:56] <Cheery> VLC?
[4:56] <RBlunderbuss> except spotify
[4:56] <RBlunderbuss> vlc is out for the rpi?
[4:56] <RITRedbeard__> ugh
[4:56] <RBlunderbuss> using the gpu?
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[4:57] <RBlunderbuss> yeah alright, didn't think so...
[4:57] <RITRedbeard__> why not use gnu screen and alsa mixer
[4:57] <RITRedbeard__> and some command line stuff
[4:57] <RBlunderbuss> well I've never heard of those before that's why :P
[4:57] <RBlunderbuss> <- n00b here
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> what does screen and alsamixer have to do with playing media?
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> *do
[4:57] <RBlunderbuss> plus it's my (limited) understanding that omxplayer is hardware accelerated by the gpu atm
[4:57] <RITRedbeard__> everyone is so obsessed with getting like
[4:58] <RITRedbeard__> KDE AND THE MAXIMUM GRAPHICS SHIT AWESOME EFFECTS running on this little embedded ARM chip
[4:58] <RITRedbeard__> it's like, chill out
[4:58] <a_c_r> RITRedbeard__: screw KDE. I want UNITY!!!!!!!
[4:58] <RITRedbeard__> UNITY! or Android! HELL YEAH
[4:59] <RITRedbeard__> I want to lock these people up at an IBM facility, on-site, and make them use XP with the mainframe terminal emulators
[4:59] <RITRedbeard__> there is your fucking fancy shit
[4:59] <RITRedbeard__> I mean, I understand the point; my point is hyperbole
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> language... and all that.
[4:59] <RITRedbeard__> but it still is sound
[4:59] <a_c_r> Actually, I'd be happy wiht accelerated 2d X
[5:00] <RITRedbeard__> right
[5:00] <RITRedbeard__> people want damn Quake 20 running on this thing
[5:00] <RITRedbeard__> or XBMC
[5:00] <RITRedbeard__> which is silly since last time I checked RPi was not replacement for HTPC or NAS?
[5:00] * RITRedbeard__ blinks
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[5:00] <RITRedbeard__> accelerated X is a good idea
[5:01] <a_c_r> RITRedbeard__: I think that the fact that it *could* be is a game changer though
[5:01] <RBlunderbuss> yeah accelerated x would be nice
[5:01] <Cheery> ur jelly because you have to wait like me? ;P while these guys make a video player of their rpi?
[5:01] <RITRedbeard__> I'm waiting for model A since I'm doing wireless eth anyway
[5:01] <RITRedbeard__> Alfa
[5:01] <a_c_r> Bah. I literally just booted up the XBMC image on my ??. Crashed on load. :-D
[5:02] * a_c_r has the Alfa on the ??
[5:02] <RITRedbeard__> Nice.
[5:02] <a_c_r> 1W of worthlessness.
[5:02] <a_c_r> need 5ghz
[5:02] <RITRedbeard__> It actually isn't 1000mW
[5:02] <RITRedbeard__> but
[5:02] <RITRedbeard__> with antenna gain and stuff being really aggressive
[5:03] <RITRedbeard__> it's powerful
[5:03] <a_c_r> haha
[5:03] <RITRedbeard__> there are more powerful rx adapters
[5:03] <RITRedbeard__> so I've been told in #linux-wireless
[5:04] <a_c_r> always tradoffs.
[5:04] <a_c_r> point is that in San Francisco, there is massive 2.4ghz interference
[5:05] <RITRedbeard__> Oh, I see.
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[5:05] <Cheery> am I the only one who's going to osdev on rpi?
[5:06] <RITRedbeard__> I don't mind waiting for Pi anymore because I'm actually working on display technology and lining up what software needs to be ported and work on that and doing optimizations
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[5:06] <RITRedbeard__> I might dabble in it but I'm neck deep in evaluation functions/artifical intelligence/game theory
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[5:07] <RITRedbeard__> I would lean towards game developement for this platform, other mobiles, and mainstream computer
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, I'd love to have a go at osdev, but I know it's a bit above my level.
[5:09] <RITRedbeard__> I have a lot of interesting ideas that executed well would make sense for netbook powered class computers and desktop machines equally well.
[5:09] <RITRedbeard__> In terms of games.
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[5:09] <Cheery> I don't know whether I could do what I want with linux actually.. I want to design a different process/service model
[5:10] <a_c_r> Cheery: interesting... go on...
[5:11] <Cheery> it's about desktop really.
[5:11] <RBlunderbuss> does the RPi come with a compiler? or do we need to install one?
[5:12] <Cheery> RBlunderbuss: should come with.
[5:12] <RBlunderbuss> k
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[5:13] <Cheery> it's special case in desktop computing to know what software is running and when.
[5:13] <Cheery> it's more like you want to open some resource and work on it.
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[5:14] <Cheery> also.. linux kernel doesn't define a concept of service process really.
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[5:14] <Cheery> you use runit or some other service manager to handle them.
[5:15] <shirro> Cheery: I expect once one person manages to get an alternative kernel running on the Pi others will follow. It is the initial hurdle of working out how to do it.
[5:15] <Cheery> I keep thinking processes should have multiple entry points.
[5:15] <Cheery> perhaps an RPC of some kind
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[5:16] <Cheery> so that running software from terminal would be a special case of sort
[5:17] <a_c_r> Hmmm
[5:17] <Cheery> you load a process.. it runs it's init routine. you give it commands through RPC
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[5:18] <Cheery> oh.. and resources as well.
[5:18] <shirro> A little forth or lisp machine would be cool. Or something object orientated all the way down. Ofcourse you can do any of that in userspace much more easily.
[5:19] <shirro> Much easier to write a vm for a language runtime than have to bother with hardware interrupts and stuff.
[5:20] <Cheery> doing a little lisp machine to listen UART might not be too bad.
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[5:21] <Cheery> shirro: I don't know whether those hardware interrupts are difficult to set up
[5:21] <Cheery> there's lot less detail in bootup here than there's in x86
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[5:25] <shirro> it has arrived!
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> have fun
[5:25] <Cheery> shirro: what?
[5:27] <ShiftPlusOne> who was working on getting gentoo going?
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[5:36] <RBlunderbuss> is anyone successfully compiling in debian on their RPi? If so, could you send me your Makefile.include?
[5:37] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: compiling what?
[5:37] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r I'm trying to compile omxplayer and having a hell of a time, never done this before
[5:37] <a_c_r> ohhh
[5:37] <a_c_r> Where would I find such a file?
[5:38] <RBlunderbuss> in the build directory I think, so if you git cloned omxplayer, it would be in there
[5:38] <RBlunderbuss> I haven't actually been able to successfully compile anything yet ><
[5:38] <RBlunderbuss> except despotify
[5:38] <a_c_r> ohhh
[5:39] <a_c_r> i haven't tried compiling omx yet
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[5:40] <RBlunderbuss> i think the issue is that the makefile.include is setup for cross compiling with their specfic setup
[5:40] <Milos|Netbook> I want my pie
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[5:40] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: ohhh.
[5:41] <Milos|Netbook> has anyone received their pies
[5:41] <RBlunderbuss> yea
[5:41] <a_c_r> Milos|Netbook: yes, but mine is defective. It tastes like RoHS
[5:41] <Milos|Netbook> LOL
[5:41] <Milos|Netbook> damn that really sucks
[5:41] <Milos|Netbook> how is it defective?
[5:41] <Milos|Netbook> does it not power up?
[5:42] <a_c_r> kidding. that was a pie joke.
[5:42] <a_c_r> it works fine
[5:42] <a_c_r> well, the hardware does
[5:42] <a_c_r> The software is iffy, and the user is a clustef.
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> nice... bluetooth works out of the box
[5:44] <mozzwald> my pi has been idle for 2 days
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[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> oh.
[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> ok.
[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> that's good then
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> RoHS
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> oops
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> wrong windiow
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[6:01] <RBlunderbuss> I'm a little pi-ed out
[6:01] <RBlunderbuss> compiling is still beyond me
[6:01] <RBlunderbuss> and I don't know what else to install/setup
[6:02] <mozzwald> RBlunderbuss: you can always compile on the pi
[6:03] <mozzwald> easier than trying to cross compile everything. but it takes longer
[6:03] <RBlunderbuss> mozzwald I would if I could figure out how to do it...I managed to make despotify using a makefile, but I can't figure out how to do anything else
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[6:05] <mozzwald> *usually* it's just ./configure then make
[6:05] <mozzwald> but depends on the program
[6:06] <RBlunderbuss> so sometimes the build directory has a configure file in it?
[6:07] <RBlunderbuss> I was recently looking at omxplayer, but no luck with that, and it doesn't seem to have one of those
[6:07] <mozzwald> yeah. if configure script is there, run it first then make
[6:08] <mozzwald> i'm not familiar with omxplayer
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Pretty happy with the pi so far... things either just work or compile and work nicely. =)
[6:12] <mozzwald> i'm not so happy with usb
[6:14] <ShiftPlusOne> what's wrong?
[6:17] <mozzwald> there seems to be a bug with usb. not sure exactly what the cause is. get kernel panics when transferring data to usb device from ethernet
[6:18] <shirro> there is a buffer overrun when it is moving unaligned data in the usb driver
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah, haven't ran into that one yet
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a software bug though isn't it?
[6:19] <shirro> appears to be. I was going to try and debug (to the limit of my ability - ie not much) but I don't have a 3v3 serial cable yet
[6:19] <shirro> kind of sucks when all the io hangs off the buggy usb device
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[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> well.. time to give arch a go =D
[6:20] <ShiftPlusOne> because I need to narrate everything I do =/
[6:21] <mozzwald> shirro: i have serial. is there some info I can get that would help?
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[6:21] <shirro> oooh. the 3d is MUCH smoother than the imx. this is looking promising
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> imx?
[6:22] <shirro> mozzwald: I was just going to throw in some printks here and there. it is probably too messy to do remotely.
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[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> is that the video playback lib?
[6:24] <shirro> mx53 quick start. the board i got to compile stuff for the Pi. I am calling it my Pi co-processor
[6:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah, forgot about that one
[6:24] <shirro> oh noes. the 4yo saw big buck bunny. again. again. :-(
[6:24] <mozzwald> shirro: well, if you have a patch for kernel or precompiled, I can test.
[6:26] <cjbaird> shirro: the Sydney 'Channel 31' people keep showing that...
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[6:27] <shirro> mozzwald: cool thanks. I am a total amateur newb though. The Linux USB maintainer has a board so I doubt if I will achieve much in comparison
[6:29] <mozzwald> shirro: i have a feeling i'm more or a noob than you :) but I'm more than willing to test stuff if need be
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[6:33] <shirro> Without a serial cable I think I will leave fixing the synopsis driver to the experts. I might see whose tree on kernel.org has the latest samsung patches and see if I can get that driver to compile and see what comes up on boot.
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[6:34] <shirro> what I really want to do is play with pretty graphics though. Thinking of porting some simple webgl stuff over to see how hard it is
[6:36] <shirro> jeebus. what stupid keyboard layout is this thing
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[6:38] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[6:39] <shirro> boganized the Pi. it is proper aussie now
[6:40] <ShiftPlusOne> shame we don't have our own keyboard layout and use the yank one... though I wouldn't know how it would be different
[6:42] <cjbaird> The Enter key on the left-hand side, because southern hemisphere
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[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, and the right and left shift keys would need to be swapped
[6:45] <shirro> where does it get these crazy video modes from?
[6:45] <shirro> the video player is perfect but the framebuffer is crazy
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[6:59] <a_c_r> shirro: what vid player?
[7:01] <shirro> hello_video. also the hello_triangle and the qt5 demos. I guess I need to read some docs
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[7:08] <shirro> ok, overscan. duh!
[7:11] <RBlunderbuss> anyone install xlib6-dev?
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[7:11] <RBlunderbuss> *xlib6g-dev?
[7:18] <Soul_Est> I'm off to bed. Tired after reading up on Lua, Python and Ruby. Night all.
[7:18] <RBlunderbuss> or does anyone know if you even can install xlib6g-dev on arm?
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[7:22] <shirro> sure you can
[7:23] <RBlunderbuss> shirro can you point me in the right direction? my tried and true sudo apt-get install xlib6g-dev has failed me haha
[7:24] <shirro> it just might not be called that
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[7:25] <RBlunderbuss> oh hrm...any idea what it might be called?
[7:26] <shirro> so you want good old xlib, not xcb or anythin? then try libx11-dev
[7:27] <RBlunderbuss> what I'm really after is xmkmf
[7:27] <RBlunderbuss> which I understood was in xlib
[7:28] <shirro> xutils-dev
[7:29] <RBlunderbuss> ah, ty
[7:35] <hotwings> [21:25:46] <shirro> mozzwald: cool thanks. I am a total amateur newb though. The Linux USB maintainer has a board so I doubt if I will achieve much in comparison <-- the kernel usb subsystem maintainer?
[7:36] <shirro> Greg KH has a Pi
[7:37] <DaQatz> Soon, most of us will.
[7:37] * DaQatz cries in his tequila.
[7:37] <DaQatz> Ship me pi!
[7:37] <hotwings> lol
[7:37] <shirro> I have to say he is crap at lego cases though: https://plus.google.com/111049168280159033135/posts
[7:40] <DaQatz> The pi will be my "base line" test platform. If it will not run well on the pi, then optimize till it does.
[7:40] <DaQatz> At least for programs for low end systems.
[7:40] <shirro> DaQatz: I hope a lot of people take that attitude. It can only mean good things
[7:41] <DaQatz> shirro, I agree, too often things are way over bloated.
[7:42] <hotwings> dont get me started on bloat. i despise linux dependency hell
[7:42] <DaQatz> I want full hard float for my pi. But the "tests" will be soft float.
[7:42] <DaQatz> Although I love linux, I do agree.
[7:43] <DaQatz> Often people use to many "helper libs".
[7:43] <hotwings> i was using xine-lib-1.2 for vdpau only. after getting rid of all the unnecessary useless crap that has nothing to do with vdpau, i shaved off nearly 2gb of dependencies!!
[7:43] <hotwings> yup DaQatz
[7:43] <DaQatz> I have no clue how often I chekc the source, and find it uses a bloated lib for one function.
[7:44] <DaQatz> That could be re written easily.
[7:44] <hotwings> libA has something they want to use.. but libA depends on libB, which depends on libC, which depends on libD libE libF, etc etc etc etc etc
[7:44] <DaQatz> Yeah
[7:44] <DaQatz> I normally "install from source."
[7:45] <DaQatz> So I know what you're saying.
[7:46] <shirro> trying to play a video over sshfs may have been a little ambitious
[7:46] <hotwings> i knew i could chop xine-lib-1.2 down a lot but was still surprised by how much
[7:46] <hotwings> 2gb of useless junk is a lot when your system is installed on an 8gb sdhc
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[7:47] <DaQatz> shirro, try a local network file over gigabit, should work.
[7:47] <DaQatz> Even 1080 plays well that way
[7:48] <mjr> gigabit does not exist. But anyway, yeah, the encryption overhead is probably sizable in trying to stream hd video over sshfs. Try unencrypted nfs or something.
[7:48] <DaQatz> Mind you, gigbit on pi will be less then half proper.
[7:48] <mjr> or hell, http :]
[7:49] <DaQatz> nfs protocol while not encrypted, is not trivial.
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[7:50] <DaQatz> I actually got better performance from mounting a drive image over cifs.
[7:50] <DaQatz> Then nfs
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[7:54] <RBlunderbuss> well, I don't think NX is going to be easy or doable by me
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[7:55] <a_c_r> NX?
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[7:56] <RBlunderbuss> nomachine nx free server thingy
[7:57] <a_c_r> ohhh. never heard of that before.
[7:58] <RBlunderbuss> i guess its nicer than vnc
[7:58] <RBlunderbuss> but its not officially supported for arm
[7:58] <a_c_r> its definitely more commercial than VNC
[7:58] <DaQatz> vnc is pretty basic.
[7:58] <a_c_r> but VNC is pretty basic and pretty failproof
[7:58] <DaQatz> Yep
[7:58] <DaQatz> Cept when you need sound.
[7:59] <a_c_r> pulseaudio? <G>
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[7:59] <DaQatz> Is "touchy" at best
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[7:59] <a_c_r> ha. pulseaudio is pure evil.
[8:00] <DaQatz> The times it has worked for me, were more luck then skill.
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[8:10] <RBlunderbuss> I'm going to try out https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[8:13] <RBlunderbuss> ok lost boot
[8:13] <RBlunderbuss> so maybe dont use that rpi-update thing lol
[8:14] <a_c_r> boot is overrated
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[8:16] <RBlunderbuss> hooray for backups
[8:17] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r I did order one of those RTL-SDR things btw
[8:18] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: I ordered another one yesterday
[8:18] <a_c_r> so perhaps I will end up with 2.
[8:18] <RBlunderbuss> nie
[8:18] <RBlunderbuss> *nice
[8:19] <shirro> I crashed it. That was easy
[8:21] <a_c_r> I'm actually trying to set up gnuradio right now
[8:21] <RBlunderbuss> ah nice
[8:24] <RBlunderbuss> shirro what did you do?
[8:24] <shirro> copied a file
[8:24] <RBlunderbuss> I think I must be missing some back story
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[8:26] <shirro> copying a file from the network to usb storage seems a guaranteed way to lock up your system
[8:26] <a_c_r> shirro: not true
[8:26] <shirro> it had been reported but I hadn't done it personally. pleased to see it worked as expected
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[8:27] <a_c_r> Sooo nerdy. Needed to send a file to my roommate and we just used nc.
[8:29] <shirro> a_c_r: why not true?
[8:30] <a_c_r> i've copied files over the network to usb drives
[8:32] <shirro> I had a github clone on one terminal and I copied a video from an sshfs mount on the other and it threw the same buffer overrun oops other people have had. it is a showstopper for me. surprised more people haven't reported it
[8:32] <a_c_r> shirro: I will experiment further
[8:33] <a_c_r> shirro: I also have gige over usb2 i can play with to see if it will fail
[8:34] <RBlunderbuss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRgktzRvZ0&feature=related
[8:35] <a_c_r> Bud. Weis. Errrrrrrr.
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[8:37] <RBlunderbuss> now we'll see if the backup I made worked
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[8:37] <RBlunderbuss> well, when its done writing
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[8:53] <RBlunderbuss> ah good, backup worked
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[8:56] <Jmirc> Is it out yet?
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[8:57] <RBlunderbuss> Jmirc is what out?
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[9:12] <des2> It's out and people have some even
[9:12] <TONES420> anyone snagged one here?
[9:12] <a_c_r> yes
[9:13] <shirro> yes
[9:13] <TONES420> where at? RS?
[9:13] <shirro> there is no advantage of one distributor over another that I can see
[9:14] <a_c_r> RS
[9:14] <TONES420> oh..if you order one now, when do you think it will ship?
[9:14] <shirro> now? probably august
[9:14] <a_c_r> Probably in 2012
[9:14] <TONES420> damn
[9:15] <TONES420> are there any other sources that can ship faster?
[9:15] <shirro> only 2000 have shipped so far to the people who ordered in the first few minutes or to targeted develoeprs
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[9:15] <shirro> Everyone who ordered before mid-april with farnell will get one in the next couple of months apparently
[9:16] <TONES420> damnit, should've pre-ordered
[9:16] <TONES420> are you building anything cool?
[9:16] <shirro> the bugs will be worked out by the time you get one
[9:16] <shirro> i hope
[9:16] <TONES420> what kind of bugs are there at the moment
[9:17] <a_c_r> several "incomplete" hardware drivers
[9:17] <a_c_r> no 2d acceleration for x
[9:17] <TONES420> ah crap
[9:17] <shirro> most obvious are problems with kernel drivers for sound and usb
[9:17] <a_c_r> limited 3d
[9:17] <a_c_r> limited hardware h.264
[9:17] <a_c_r> limited audio
[9:18] <shirro> in user space is lack of X acceleration and lack of linuxy interfaces to things like accelerated video playback
[9:18] <shirro> 3d is pretty good I think but it is full screen only - not available in X windows. I don't think that is a bad thing
[9:19] <a_c_r> also, perhaps irrelevant to most, but no power management that I know of
[9:19] <shirro> I think the gpu does a lot of power management. but the linear regulator probably isn't ideal for real low power use
[9:20] <shirro> It is really cool though
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[9:21] <shirro> you can see things are starting to emerge. the omxplayer looks interesting
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[9:23] <TONES420> hmm what OS are you running on it?
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[9:23] <a_c_r> debian
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[9:27] <shirro> debian
[9:29] <shirro> Debian is stable and has a big range of packages and it has become a defacto standard since Fedora didn't work out. Arch is a good alternative and there is a more optimised version of Debian in the works
[9:29] <des2> Debian is great because it runs on lots of platforms.
[9:30] <des2> It has a large fan base.
[9:30] <shirro> It has a lot more users than is acknowledged
[9:31] <shirro> a_c_r: have you crashed it yet?
[9:33] <a_c_r> shirro: no. I'm not in front of the pi
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[9:54] <friggle> shirro: the odd thing with that bug is not everyone can reproduce. Seems to be sensitive to ...something.... e.g. network is rock solid for me
[9:54] <friggle> shirro: and Dom was able to reproduce at home but not at the office
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[9:55] <shirro> I got it here first go. with those suggestions from Alex can't repeat it yet
[9:55] <a_c_r> what are you using to transfer?
[9:56] <shirro> I am just using ssh for convenience. If that doesn't kill it I will use something faster.
[9:57] <friggle> yeah, I used to always have lockups (really interrupt storms - it came back if you waited half an hour) unless I did the min free kbytes or smsc95xx turbo mode change. That seemed to go away when we moved to 3.x (and I think we may have upgraded dwc at the same time)
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[9:57] <friggle> and apt-get would trigger it, but maxing out network using netcat wouldn't
[9:58] <shirro> apt-get - I will throw that in
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[9:59] <friggle> if you can trigger it using something trivial like netcat or even better tcpreplay that would be killer
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[9:59] <a_c_r> hrmmm
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[10:01] <a_c_r> netcat is not behaving at the moment
[10:01] <a_c_r> trying.
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[10:18] <cjbaird> (1st aussie RPi owner) Jonathan Hirsch... I wonder where I know that name from..
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[10:19] <xranby> friggle: i can confirm, i experienced that all network connections stalled on my board when i ran apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk and at the same time ran xorg and downloaded a file using mindori
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[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> How do they know who was the first?
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[10:20] <shirro> xranby: did you get a backtrace on the console?
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[10:21] <xranby> shirro: sorry, no, i did not look at the kernel dmesg
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[10:22] <shirro> could you do anything after it happened? or was the system totally locked up?
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[10:23] <xranby> shirro: the system was up and running.. i opened a terminal and tested to ping some host but the system only responded that the addess was not routable, despite the routing tables looking ok
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[10:23] <shirro> might be a different issue
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[10:24] <a_c_r> How long did you let it run? I'm having no issues with it right now
[10:24] <a_c_r> getting ~9.7MB/s via netcat
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[10:24] <xranby> friggle: good morning, last night i tested the jogl opengl-es java binding on the board. right now jogl are designed to use opengl es on top of xorg. jogl have to get updated to support opengl es from the console, right now it try to probe some xorg libs at startup and this probing are causing a nullpointer sigsegv when xorg are not running
[10:24] <a_c_r> dumping that onto a USB disk with ext4
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[10:25] <shirro> neither am I but I am using a potential workaround. some people get it, and some don't
[10:25] <a_c_r> hmm.
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[10:25] <xranby> friggle: when i test the same test from xorg then it will not crash and instead print a stacktrace that it was unable to open a opengl es surface inside xorg
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[10:28] <xranby> friggle: so all in all.. it should be possible to fix
[10:28] <a_c_r> I would almost bet this problem is voltage related
[10:28] <a_c_r> Someone who is getting these errors should probe TP1-TP2
[10:29] <a_c_r> (the network usb problem, not the xorg thing)
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[10:43] <friggle> xranby: cool. You actually get get a gl surface in xorg - it will just be completely unaware of the X server on draw on top of the framebuffer
[10:43] <friggle> xranby: e.g. github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/opt/vc/src hello_triangle would run under X
[10:45] <friggle> xranby: and stskeeps has an ugly hack :) http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/x11-hack-libegl
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[10:50] <xranby> friggle: interesting hack!
[10:50] <friggle> did I say ugly, I mean cunning ;)
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[10:51] <xranby> i like that i takes care for me to call the bcm_host_init
[11:02] <xranby> friggle: that hack allowed me to open a empty gray window..
[11:03] <xranby> ... progress
[11:04] <xranby> but i got caugt by an assertion in jogl code, "could not query Visual by given VisualID 0x8428, bail out!"
[11:06] <sykes> screen -rx
[11:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> morn
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[11:11] <xranby> friggle: https://twitter.com/#!/xranby/status/195439439902818304/photo/1
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[11:17] <xranby> friggle: i am not able to see any output using hello_triangle + xorg :/
[11:17] <xranby> i can re-test using the older debian image
[11:18] <friggle> xranby: hmm, have to admit I haven't looked at those for a while. You should e.g. be able to get the qt qml examples under X
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[11:18] <xranby> ... ohh now its working
[11:18] <xranby> odd
[11:18] <xranby> it is working
[11:18] <xranby> using the latest debian image
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[11:20] <friggle> xranby: great
[11:22] <_sundar_> is it possible to run the GL examples without X11 and using the frame buffer directly?
[11:22] <friggle> _sundar_: yes, and that's preferred
[11:22] <_sundar_> friggle, that's cool
[11:23] <_sundar_> friggle, just had a peek at the raspberrypi git repo at github. i found the triangle example under X11. so was wondering if it could be run with little or no modifications using FB alone
[11:24] <friggle> _sundar_: which example is that?
[11:24] <_sundar_> friggle, the hello-triangle
[11:24] <friggle> _sundar_: but this one? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle
[11:25] <friggle> _sundar_: or the hello triangle which actually is a triangle from the gles book that's kicking around in there somewhere
[11:25] <xranby> _sundar_: on the debian image you can cd /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triange run make and then run the example ./hello_triangle.bin directly from the console
[11:27] <_sundar_> friggle, you are right. i was looking at opengles-book-samples-read-only
[11:27] <_sundar_> xranby, i am actually waiting for the pi. just can't keep myself sit. just going through the code :)
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[11:30] <_sundar_> is the GPU capable of doing 2D also?
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[11:32] <xranby> _sundar_: yes, you can use the openvg api to get hardware accelerated 2d
[11:35] <xranby> _sundar_: the driver are there, unfortunally we do not have a openvg example
[11:35] <_sundar_> xranby, oh that just needs some time for one
[11:36] <_sundar_> can the hardware do 1080p encoding as well? the OMX component might support but what of the hardware?
[11:37] <friggle> it has accelerated encode (not sure if this is exposed currently). I don't know max res
[11:37] <shirro> I have some openvg samples here. I will check the licence on them and if they are ok I will see if I can get them working on the Pi
[11:39] <shirro> friggle: I gave up on trying to get the Pi to crash. I will see how it goes for a few days with normal use.
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[11:42] <tero> so it has been a couple of days when the first people got their pies. Any intersting projects? maybe some blog posts etc?
[11:48] <Tachyon`> heh
[11:49] <Tachyon`> there's a number of gougers on ebay
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[13:09] <Guest26054> would it be OK for my RasPI to be on continuously?
[13:09] <Guest26054> oh
[13:09] <Guest26054> one sec
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[13:10] <SpeedEvil> danieldaniel1: yes
[13:10] <danieldaniel1> Ok
[13:10] <danieldaniel1> :D
[13:10] <danieldaniel1> '
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[13:19] <techman2> hey shirro
[13:19] <techman2> how's the pi?
[13:19] <shirro> hi. good. it is a nice bit of kit
[13:20] <techman2> sweet :)
[13:20] <techman2> congrats on getting yours
[13:20] <shirro> just compiled omxplayer. it might be a pretty good mediacenter after all (don't tell anyone)
[13:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[13:20] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 11??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 88%, Later 12??C - 7??C. Condition: Rain.
[13:20] <techman2> haha
[13:20] <techman2> so enjoying it more than the QSB?
[13:21] <shirro> the gpu is much better. and not having u-boot is nice
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[13:21] <techman2> cool
[13:21] <shirro> I want a second one to overclock now.
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[13:21] <techman2> haha
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[13:21] <techman2> are you using it to get here?
[13:22] <shirro> no. rebooting and stuff.
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[13:22] <techman2> ok
[13:23] <techman2> so how are you finding general performance?
[13:23] <shirro> also I just changed all the Makefiles in omxplayer and compiled it native and I didn't want to be on there while that was happening
[13:24] <shirro> what I have seen of the GPU looks promising. The framebuffer is pretty awefull scrolling and X is ...well X is just the framebuffer really
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[13:25] <shirro> for the price it really is amazing. I had a USB related crash early on but I have a couple of configs that seem to stop that. I haven't had one since
[13:25] <techman2> glad to hear :)
[13:26] <techman2> what are you using for power?
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[13:26] <shirro> playing 720p videos over sshfs and it works very well. I don't have much 1080 because the tv isn't that big and bw/space etc
[13:26] <shirro> Using the ipad charger
[13:26] <techman2> right
[13:26] <shirro> Beefiest thing I have
[13:26] <techman2> no worries about power there then
[13:26] <techman2> 2A
[13:27] <shirro> Yep. Probably cost more than the Pi
[13:27] <techman2> haha, it would if you bought one from an apple store
[13:27] <mjr> ...techman beat me to it ;]
[13:27] <techman2> probably costs apple about 50c though
[13:28] <shirro> Only because of scale. Apple stuff is reasonably well made
[13:28] <techman2> yeah I know
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[13:28] <techman2> they have an army of foxconn employees at their disposal.
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[13:30] <shirro> I think I might try and port some graphics demos/examples now. Some of the opengles tutorials. OpenVG. Perhaps port some of the webgl shader demos that are around
[13:30] <techman2> it's funny to think there are about 3x more people working for foxconn than there are living in NT.
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[13:30] <techman2> cool
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[13:30] <shirro> techman2: I am not even going to consider comparing foxconn to the NT or I will get into big trouble
[13:31] <techman2> lol
[13:31] <shirro> when is yours due?
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[13:32] <shirro> early may?
[13:32] <techman2> I guess
[13:32] <techman2> bbs
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[13:48] <Davespice> I've got a Pi here at work which is sitting idle if anyone would like me to try something, pm me
[13:48] <friggle> Davespice: will it blend?
[13:49] <drazyl> ditto
[13:49] <Davespice> stand by
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[13:49] <Davespice> .... wait a minute.... :)
[13:49] <Davespice> you guys... tsk :)
[13:49] <drazyl> you must have known that would be the answer
[13:49] <Davespice> "/sarcasm"
[13:49] <IT_Sean> ?
[13:50] <Davespice> I didn't occur to me actually.
[13:50] <Davespice> I generally always mean why I say.
[13:51] <Davespice> I haven't tried to putty into it yet actually
[13:51] <Davespice> is ssh turned on by default in the latest debian image, or do I need to do something to enable it?
[13:52] <RAThomas> Davespice: I'd like you to do an "environmental" test on it, if you could
[13:52] <RAThomas> specifically an unpowered, freight test...
[13:53] <RAThomas> put it in a box with some packing material, put my address on the outside and ship it to me. I'll let you know if it passed the test when I receive it.
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[13:54] <friggle> Davespice: renaming /boot/boot-enable-ssh.rc to /boot/boot.rc is one way of doing it
[13:55] <Davespice> RAThomas: haha, good one ;)
[13:55] <Davespice> friggle: oh right really? okay hmm
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[13:57] <Davespice> I have managed to get Schism Tracker to build correctly
[13:57] <Davespice> it plays modules really well too
[13:57] <friggle> Davespice: or just sudo insserv ssh
[13:57] <friggle> Davespice: then sudo service ssh start
[13:58] <friggle> which will start it now and on all future boots
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[14:04] <shirro> watching bellard's javascript emulation of an x86 attempting to boot linux in a browser on a Raspberry Pi. Does it run x86? Define run :-)
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[14:06] <shellac> back
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[14:06] <shirro> nice bogomips. detected 3.3333Mhz processor
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Awesome!
[14:07] <shirro> going to run tcc and compile a hello world on it
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> tccboot
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[14:08] <SpeedEvil> tccboot is most awesome
[14:08] <RAThomas> nice to see that the first people to receive hardware are doing such important and relevant work with them ;)
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> I think my lowest bogo device is 239
[14:09] <shirro> next time someone asks if it will run x86 on a forum I am going to go one step better than Windows 3.1 on dosbox
[14:09] * SpeedEvil ponders qemu under js.
[14:10] <friggle> there's no reason qemu-system-i386 won't work on arm
[14:10] <friggle> and of course dosbox is fine
[14:10] <friggle> well, I think right now it won't work because glibc doesn't support the makecontext calls on ARM
[14:11] <shirro> still booting. this could take awhile
[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> gah, that's annoying
[14:12] <RAThomas> what? Didn't mix in the right proportion of toluene?
[14:12] <RAThomas> That's rather limiting
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Is this the infamous USB bug? http://pastebin.com/4C65URfH
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[14:14] <shirro> who the hell left a screensaver on this thing. Don't theu realise how little memory is left. There goes my linux boot I think
[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> o.O
[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> what are you talking about?
[14:16] <Hexxeh> shirro: screensavers with a really slow framebuffer, lovely aren't they
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[14:16] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the screensaver
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> I used xlock -inroot flame for ages
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> It's _really_ cheap
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[14:17] <SpeedEvil> As it just paints pixels - and not many of them - then some time later wipes, and starts again
[14:17] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: looks a bit different. I will check the numbers after. Is that a standard current Debian with standard kernel?
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> No moving of existing pixels
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[14:18] <shirro> The CPU is still maxed out so I think this is still booting. It actually got 20 bogomips - I was reading the cpu frequency
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, nope, archlinux, non-default kernel.
[14:19] <techman2> shirro: E14 posted this pic 12 hrs ago - http://t.co/cWAY4KuC
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[14:20] <shirro> ok, thats why I can't tell. do you have a system.map? If so grep the first number in brackets after Backtrace: Function entered at
[14:20] <shirro> If it is something like DWC_MEMCPY it is the same
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[14:21] <shirro> techman2: wow, they had a lot more than I expected for Australia. Some of those must be NZ
[14:21] <tntexplosivesltd> =( I wish
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, nuh, unfortunatly not, but I'll make sure I save it next time I compile a kernel.
[14:22] <shirro> Or just turn the kernel debugging stuff on
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the option for that called?
[14:22] <shirro> I can't remember
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[14:23] <techman2> shirro: mine can't be far off
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[14:23] <shirro> friggle: suggested workarounds. I haven't had another crash yet but I will run them for a few days. https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9#issuecomment-5351086
[14:23] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: if you built your own kernel, it should be sitting around somewhere in the tree where you built it
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[14:24] <friggle> shirro: great. (asb == friggle by the way).
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, I've built another one since then and that one didn't boot, so I don't have anything left from that
[14:24] <shirro> yeah, it finally stuck
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> though if I use the same config and recompile I don't see why it would produce a different system.map, right?
[14:25] <friggle> shirro: the smsc95xx driver isn't exactly well behaving. I don't think there's a bound on the number of skbs (network buffers) in flight
[14:26] <shirro> that could be a problem.
[14:26] <friggle> shirro: e.g. I think Ubuntu for beagleboard has that vm.min_free_addr setting by default t
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[14:28] <friggle> shirro: see Ming Lei's comments at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370
[14:31] <Matt> morning
[14:31] <Caver> morning!
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[14:32] <techman2> evening
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[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone getting strange key mapping in SDL apps running in X?
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I remember getting the same issue in qemu
[15:07] <Caver> that does ring a bell
[15:08] <Caver> Should you find that some of your keys do not work or "press" the wrong key (in particular, the arrow keys), you likely need to specify your keyboard layout as an option. The keyboard layouts can be found in /usr/share/qemu/keymaps.
[15:08] <Caver> so ... is there a keymaps thing that need to be included on the Pi?
[15:08] <Caver> as qemu is a sdl app too
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> instead of qwerty it's c.gvn which is nonsense
[15:09] <IT_Sean> Didn't someone in e fora mention that the raspis default to a uk keyboard layout?
[15:09] <IT_Sean> *the
[15:09] <drazyl> would hope so
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not exactly a keyboard layout issue, I think
[15:09] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> and it's far from a uk layout... it's gibberish
[15:10] <lennard> c.gvn... thats not dvorak, is it?
[15:10] <tero> ok new ubuntu today :) lets install it
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[15:10] <lennard> no its not
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> google is helping though
[15:11] <lennard> quite
[15:12] <xranby> tero: yes lets use it !
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[15:18] <shirro> uk keyboard, timezone and locale. they are really rubbing it in aren't they. surprised it doesn't have a union jack wallpaper
[15:19] <drazyl> picture of the queen
[15:19] <shirro> stand up to god save the queen eveytime it boots
[15:20] <Jen> shirro: well, it is British you know..
[15:20] <shirro> we are in the prison you sent us to already
[15:20] <ReggieUK> australia?
[15:20] <ReggieUK> isle of wight?
[15:20] <IT_Sean> The Foundation is British... What were you expecting?
[15:21] <drazyl> man years ago, we had some US consultants doing a set of computer upgrades (might have even been DOS rather than windows it was so long ago) because the local (UK) it department was overstretched
[15:21] <shirro> A setup menu to choose your language and location perhaps
[15:21] <techman2> shirro: perhaps the pi could be powered via a small steam turbine set over a cup of tea also?
[15:21] <drazyl> they spent hopwever many weeks installing it, and only after we left we found out they were all set to US localisation. When we asked why they hadn't set it to UK we got the answer "what localisation options?"
[15:22] <IT_Sean> Hahaha
[15:22] <drazyl> and when we looked, yes, the install media they used did not even have the option
[15:22] <shirro> Not sure how many beginners would know how to change timezone, keyboard and default locale
[15:22] <Matt> actually, a default uk keymap is a PITA for north american users
[15:23] <Matt> cause the european keyboards all have one extra key
[15:23] <IT_Sean> YES! I is!
[15:23] <xranby> some people say the uk keymap are most suitable to do some serious coding ;)
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> on arch it's all in /etc/rc.conf right at the top... quite convenient
[15:23] <tzarc> heaven forbid that anyone could possibly inconvenience north americans :P
[15:23] <drazyl> try using a machine with an azerty keymap but a qwerty keyboard plugged in
[15:23] <drazyl> and a password that uses punctuation etc
[15:23] <Jen> techman2: I'd love a steam/tea-powered Pi :P
[15:23] <IT_Sean> I was over there last month or so, to upgrade some customer software. Next time I'm bringing my own dammed keyboard.
[15:23] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:23] <Matt> lol
[15:23] <Matt> I do like the UK layout
[15:23] <Matt> and yes, if you're writing shell scripts, it's fantastic
[15:23] <Matt> cause # is on its own key :)
[15:23] <drazyl> had to manually remap the password to the keys you had to type and write it down
[15:24] <techman2> uk layout is fine... when you have a uk layout keyboard.
[15:24] <IT_Sean> I'm sure it's fantastic.... I'm just not used to it
[15:24] <Matt> it's not *that* different
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hell, my keyboard has dvorak and us keys printed on it, yet some people are unable to type on it because the dvorac keys throw them off. =/
[15:24] <IT_Sean> It's JUST different enough
[15:24] <ReggieUK> it's a keyboard, deal with it
[15:24] <Matt> swap " and @, # gets its own key and is replaced by a pound sign
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Right shift is also in a different spot
[15:25] <Matt> once you're good with that, you're all set
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Due to the enlarged enter key
[15:25] <Matt> that varies from kb to kb
[15:25] <IT_Sean> Ah.
[15:26] <Matt> like the location of the #~ key
[15:26] <tzarc> I tend to reorder people's number keys 0-9 instead of 1-0 while they're away from their desks
[15:26] <Matt> which is damn annoying :)
[15:26] <IT_Sean> Well, the enter and shift keys are different on UK layout vs US layout ThinkPad keyboards
[15:26] <tzarc> other programmers don't notice because everything starts at 0
[15:26] <tzarc> then they complain when things go wrong
[15:26] <tzarc> it's great
[15:26] <IT_Sean> tzarc: That is positively evil. I like it
[15:26] <drazyl> swap n and m, most people won't notice
[15:26] <Matt> tzarc: there are some other little swaps you can do along the same lines :)
[15:26] <Matt> drazyl: like that
[15:26] <tzarc> nothing like getting people locked out of their accounts
[15:27] <tzarc> pretty sure there aren't any caps lock keys in the dev room either
[15:27] <Matt> tzarc: but only for people who don't touchtype
[15:27] <tzarc> but that's another story
[15:27] <tzarc> this is true
[15:27] <Matt> I remember hearing an anecdote of one guy who could only login sitting down
[15:27] <drazyl> had to remove an esc key for someone once
[15:28] <Matt> cause someone had swapped a couple of keys around that were in his password
[15:28] <Matt> sitting down, he was touchtyping, so it didn't matter
[15:28] <tzarc> nice
[15:28] <Matt> standing up he was looking at the kb
[15:28] <Caver> only while sitting down ... because he used his ass to put in the password?
[15:28] <techman2> I've had a customer who keeps saying her shift key doesn't work intermittently
[15:28] <IT_Sean> I recently swapped all the numrow key caps for the numpad key caps on one of our testing PCs. Tooootslly screwed up a coworkers typing.
[15:28] <techman2> 4 keyboards later she still insists it's the keyboard.
[15:29] <Matt> oh, I've got a great one like that
[15:29] <Matt> we sold one customer a bunch of whitebox laptops
[15:29] <Matt> the IT manager kept complaining that the mouse was broken, cause it kept jumping around the screen and clicking on things erratically
[15:29] <Matt> sent it back, we couldn't find a problem
[15:29] <Matt> he complains again
[15:29] <Matt> repeat a couple of times
[15:29] <Matt> eventually he brings it in to show us the problem
[15:30] <Matt> and he's wresting his wrist on the touchpad
[15:30] <techman2> classic pebkac.
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Errrr
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[15:30] <techman2> users suck.
[15:31] <ReggieUK> I had a client once that was trying to install windows, it bsod'd on them, so they read teh bsod which suggested turning of caching
[15:32] <IT_Sean> True, the network would run a lot more efficiently without all the users.
[15:32] <ReggieUK> so they turned off the processor caching in the bios and retried
[15:32] <ReggieUK> bless them, 24hrs later and they were still waiting patiently for it to install
[15:32] <techman2> lol
[15:32] <Matt> lol
[15:32] <IT_Sean> Wow.
[15:32] <Jen> :O
[15:33] <ReggieUK> engineers are scary too though
[15:33] <ReggieUK> I've spilt 1/2 a tub of case screws into a running PC case before
[15:33] <techman2> I had a user ring me once cause her printer wasn't working. When I asked if it was turned on she said no, the stupid part was she was aware of that before ringing me.
[15:33] <ReggieUK> everyone managed to keep both eyes intact
[15:34] <ReggieUK> no magic smoke either
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Im guessing the computer didn't survive?
[15:34] <IT_Sean> None?!
[15:34] <ReggieUK> it did
[15:34] <IT_Sean> It lived?
[15:34] <ReggieUK> none!
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Damn!
[15:34] <ReggieUK> it lived
[15:34] <ReggieUK> I couldn't believe it either
[15:34] <IT_Sean> You lucky bugger!
[15:34] <techman2> wow lucky
[15:35] <drazyl> wow, the ubuntu guided tour is useful
[15:35] <techman2> night all
[15:35] <ReggieUK> had a colleague who was with a client, client is looking over his shoulder as he explains that the machine is filthy, so he decides to blow some canned air into the back of the PSU
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> You just install 12?
[15:36] <drazyl> no, looked at the online guided tour, now I know I don't have to bother
[15:36] <ReggieUK> there's a nice popping sound and the smell of burnt eyebrows
[15:36] <tzarc> oh man, compressed air
[15:36] <ReggieUK> he'd forgotten the PC was still on
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Im guessing it wasn't canned air?
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Oooooh
[15:36] <IT_Sean> Damn
[15:36] <PiOfCube> the joys of butane propellents LOL
[15:36] <ReggieUK> indeed
[15:37] <tzarc> used to work with a pretty dry, soft-spoken russian guy, one of the IT guys was fixing a computer next to him, uses compressed air, russian guy responds with "'tis like chernobyl, yes?"
[15:37] <IT_Sean> Hahahaha! Smell of Burt eyebrows. Lol
[15:37] <tzarc> could not stop laughing for about 15 mins
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> We recently had to power down the entire office. When we powerd back up, three pcs blew their PSUs on boot.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> There was SOOOOOO MUUUUUCH DUUUUST.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> I pulled basketball sized wads of dust out of each one.
[15:38] <Hexxeh> did somebody say that hello_triangle works inside X?
[15:38] <ReggieUK> theres probably a disease specific to IT techs
[15:38] * IT_Sean shudders
[15:39] <ReggieUK> 'technicians lung'
[15:39] <IT_Sean> I took all three out to the loading dock, and each one got a full can of air.
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, dunno about other ways, but with the egl hack, it all works inside X
[15:39] <IT_Sean> And they were still disgusting
[15:40] <ReggieUK> 1/2 a chewed cookie is the worst I've found in a pc
[15:40] <PiOfCube> I've known people use vacuums to clean their PCs and go "Whee... I can make the lights on the fans work if I put the vacuum nozzle just here... and the fans whizz round so quickly"..
[15:41] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: Thats not too bad.
[15:41] <IT_Sean> I found a rubber in a PC once. Used.
[15:41] <Caver> nah ... my worst one, was boss's daughters, that lived on the floor in her room - must have contained a good 2kg's worth of talc
[15:41] <ReggieUK> locked, factory sealed case?
[15:41] <IT_Sean> And I DO NOT mean an eraser.
[15:41] <IT_Sean> No.
[15:41] <Caver> ahaha ick!
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[15:41] <PiOfCube> Maybe they were using than instead of anti-virus software?
[15:42] <ReggieUK> ewww, rubber
[15:42] <Matt> lol
[15:42] <Matt> I've not found anything horrific inside a PC
[15:42] <ReggieUK> and locked sealed case was from the cookie PC
[15:42] <IT_Sean> Finding someone's Mini Raincoat in a PC is NOT fun.
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[15:42] <Matt> but I have opened up machines that date back to when smoking was permitted in offices
[15:42] <ReggieUK> so some tramp at a dell factory likes to eat cookies near open tech
[15:42] <Matt> those were *nasty*
[15:42] <IT_Sean> Those are always the worst.
[15:42] <PiOfCube> mini raincoat? Must have been a mac
[15:43] <SocksG> Matt: 2007?
[15:43] <IT_Sean> When I freelanced, I charged triple for smokers PCs.
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[15:43] <ReggieUK> any PC from an engineering environment are usually quite cruddy
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[15:44] <Matt> ReggieUK: not as bad as from the factory floor of an aluminium processing plant
[15:44] * Matt swapped out some failing switches
[15:44] <ReggieUK> that counts as engineering environment
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[15:44] <Matt> those things were absolutely covered in crap
[15:44] <PiOfCube> When I used to do TV/VCR repairs, we had one guy who chain-smoked every minute he was awake... sat right next to his TV... The smoke ate through 5 sets of video heads :S
[15:44] <Matt> which I'm sure was conductive
[15:44] <ReggieUK> metal, oil, wood, dust, clag
[15:44] <Matt> I've no idea how they survived
[15:45] <ReggieUK> they were built to survive back then
[15:45] <ReggieUK> ??200 for a CDRW, it'd better survive!
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[15:48] <OneFix_Work> So, any word on when rPi 10,001 will be delivered?
[15:50] <Matt> who knows :)
[15:50] <Caver> when you least expect it?
[15:51] <Matt> although, the last press release I read from e14 did say that if you placed an order now, it would be delivered in july
[15:51] <Matt> so I would imagine July
[15:51] <OneFix_Work> I see rPi #10,001 as a huge milestone. It means that production is actually ramping up and soon, supply problems will be fixed.
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> strange....the kernel made from zImage doesn't work, while the one made from Image does =/
[15:52] <Caver> did you forget the compression support?
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[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think so, but I'll check
[15:52] <OneFix_Work> Matt: I'm actually guessing that it's going to be in May sometime. I got verbal confirmation from an Allied Electronics (RS in the USA) manager that my order should be shipping out on April 30th
[15:54] <tzarc> argh I still need an SD card for mine :(
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[15:54] <OneFix_Work> tzarc: I've already got an SD card and have been configuring the system. All I need is the hardware :)
[15:55] <Caver> tzarc, check your local supermarket - they often sell SD cards now
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Caver, nope, everything seems fine there
[15:55] <tzarc> well my hardware is sitting here underutilised
[15:55] <tzarc> it's 11:55pm atm, supermarkets aren't much use to me at the moment :P
[15:55] <Caver> oooh don't say they, you'll be mobbed by unwashed pi fanciers
[15:56] <OneFix_Work> tzarc: I bought a Kingston 16GB Class 4 SDHC for under $15 from Amazon
[15:56] <Caver> ah ... hehe I'm spoilt by walking distance access to local 24/7 tesco
[15:56] <tzarc> my gf reckons she has a spare 8GB that she's gonna give me tomorrow, so we'll see
[15:56] <Caver> because it turned out my old camera's SD card in fact had lots and lots of bad blocks!!
[15:57] <tzarc> tbh I'll probably buy a couple more anyway
[15:57] <Caver> yeah get several .. then you can have one to experiment with and one for showing off to peopel
[15:57] <Caver> I mean demo's :P
[15:57] <tzarc> bingo
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[15:58] <tzarc> thinking of turning it into some sort of a mame cabinet atm
[15:58] <WASDx> Is it possible to run the RPi with all 256mb ram for the cpu on a headless server? I know about the elf files but they only go up to 224
[15:58] <OneFix_Work> Caver: Not exactly. Most orders from Amazon Prime get to me next business day...which means if I order on a Tuesday morning, it arrives on Wednesday. I would much rather go outside or find something else to do than go to a big box store on a weekday.
[15:59] <mkopack> WASDx: No, you can't give all 256MB to the CPU??? The GPU needs some of it for buffers and also the Framebuffer for even the character display??? The GPU on the Pi does more than just 3D GFX, so it needs at least a little RAM for that stuff
[15:59] <Caver> there is counselling available if going outside is a problem for you
[15:59] <Caver> *ducks*
[16:00] <mkopack> 224 is about the most to you give the CPU. The GPU needs at least SOME to do it's job
[16:00] <ReggieUK> get an umbrella, makes it feel inside outside!
[16:00] <WASDx> mkopack: Alright, I supposed it would not be needed at all for a headless server
[16:00] <mkopack> tzarc: Thinking the same thing??? Already hunting down all the emulators I want to try
[16:00] <ReggieUK> mkopack, but surely if it's headless, you could just tell it the screen res is 32x240x16bit and leave it with 1MB for the gpu to be on the safe side couldn't you?
[16:01] <ReggieUK> that'd be plenty
[16:01] <mkopack> WASDx: If it was JUST doing GFX I would say you could do that, but the GPU also does things like the boot process, and I'm betting it provides some of the IO interface as well
[16:01] <ReggieUK> enough for double-buffering a framebuffer you're never going to use?
[16:01] <tzarc> figure I'll get some boards made for buttons and whatnot, perhaps sort out some gpio drivers
[16:01] <tzarc> not sure if I want to go that route or do USB
[16:01] <tzarc> can do a firmware-only AVR usb implementation
[16:01] <BenO> Calling a GPU might be a little misleading
[16:01] <tzarc> we'll see
[16:01] <mkopack> USB will be easier, both from a software and hardware perspective
[16:02] * ReggieUK has been looking at arcade controller parts for a few days now
[16:02] <tzarc> fair enough
[16:02] <BenO> It needs a few mb to load in the start.elf
[16:02] <tzarc> figure if I emulate a HID device and masquerade as a keyboard it should be fairly straightforward
[16:02] <mkopack> YEah
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[16:03] <ReggieUK> there are a handful of boards out there for controllers
[16:03] <tzarc> I gather powered USB hubs are all good as well, considering the kernel support
[16:03] <ReggieUK> xin mo
[16:03] <ReggieUK> zero delay
[16:03] <tzarc> yeah I've had a quick look at a couple
[16:04] <tzarc> more interested at implementing myself though, for my own satisfaction :P
[16:04] <mkopack> So far I've found that there are ARMel builds available for Atari 2600, C64, Amiga, and MAME??? Still trying to find a Colecovision, Intelliviion, and NES emulators??? The KESS emulator which does Coleco is source available
[16:04] <ReggieUK> and then pick a random avr/pic/<your favourite mcu> implementation
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[16:04] <ReggieUK> mkopack, won't make cover 1/2 of those?
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[16:04] <BenO> http://na.suzohapp.com/ is good for arcade style components - even if it's just for inspiration
[16:05] <ReggieUK> BenO, been there, will end up expensive
[16:05] <tzarc> heh, futurelogic printers, had enough of those
[16:05] <mkopack> Reggie: all those ARMEL ones are just "sudo apt-get" capable??? KESS you'll have to do some porting to do I'm sure.. but I plan to at least give it a try
[16:05] <BenO> mkopack, I'll be interested in how the newer MAME will run on this board
[16:05] <shigawire> For those in Australia, the 4GB Class 6 'dolphin' brand SD cards that Woollies is selling at the moment for $7 each: 19MB sec read / 10MB sec write (seq and random)
[16:05] <tzarc> I shall investigate woolies then
[16:05] <mkopack> I'd be surprised if the UAE Amiga emulator will be able to hack it on the Pie.. The hardware is certainly way above what we had on the Amiga 500, but it's still having to emulate??? so who knows.
[16:06] <BenO> ReggieUK, Absolutely, but handy to find things and in particular, part names, should you want to find them elsewhere ;)
[16:06] <ReggieUK> oh sure
[16:06] <ReggieUK> I'm pretty much set for controls
[16:06] <mkopack> I have a 50 DVD pack of MAME roms, old game systems roms, Amiga, C64, etc programs, etc.
[16:06] <ReggieUK> should be ordering at the weekend
[16:06] <BenO> ReggieUK, I had fantastic luck once phoning up arcade machine rental companies
[16:07] <tzarc> think I might be able to grab a 22" touchscreen from work
[16:07] <tzarc> got plenty of them
[16:07] <BenO> ReggieUK, found one that had shifted to pinball machines and said they had an old cab in back that I could have for ?20 if I picked it up ;)
[16:07] <ReggieUK> I want a trackball but those are cheap
[16:07] <ReggieUK> BenO, NICE!
[16:08] <ReggieUK> spinners are expensive though so I'll see if I can make one of those
[16:08] <ReggieUK> there are instructions out there
[16:08] <ReggieUK> a mate is going to make me a nice box for the controller, black american walnut apparently :)
[16:09] <BenO> ReggieUK, I know :) I had to get rid of it when I went to Uni though :( Next plan is a cocktail cab, but will have to DIY that from scratch
[16:09] <Hexxeh> Anyone know if teh_orph from the forums hangs around in any of the IRC channels on here?
[16:09] <BenO> ReggieUK, Ooo nice :)
[16:09] <mkopack> Reggie: I would think the prices on Spinners would have come down given that they're not all that different from the iPod click-wheels of today...
[16:10] <ReggieUK> well, I haven't seen any that are ??20 cheap
[16:10] <mkopack> ah
[16:10] <ReggieUK> but I have seen trackballs that cheap
[16:11] <BenO> nice spinner to prove non-cheapness: http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/95856000.htm
[16:11] <mkopack> I'm more interested in building an interface that will let me hook in old C64/Atari digital joysticks??? I still have an old Suncom Tac-2 stick from my C64??? Damn thing was indestructable
[16:11] <ReggieUK> I've seen diy stuff on the net using old harddrives and ball mouse encoders
[16:11] <mkopack> I used to break joysticks on a regular basis until I got one of those??? Solid steel shaft, solid steel contacts inside...
[16:11] <BenO> ReggieUK, It's getting the feel of it right that is the trick
[16:12] <ReggieUK> the trick with the spinner is the weight and smoothness of spin :)
[16:13] <BenO> Makes all the difference in the world :)
[16:13] <ReggieUK> you basically take the motor from an old hdd, remove the platter, dismantle a mouse, take the encoder wheel out, make a much bigger encoder, move the encoder sensors to accomodate the bigger encoder wheel and that's about it apparently
[16:13] <mkopack> Yup, mkes sense to me ReggieUK ???
[16:13] <ReggieUK> oh and add a knob and weights
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[16:14] <ReggieUK> I wonder if you can't go one better than that
[16:14] <mkopack> http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade_spinners.shtml
[16:14] <mkopack> bunch of info off there
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[16:14] <ReggieUK> and read from the spin of the motor
[16:15] <ReggieUK> as it will be producing pulses as you spin it
[16:15] <BenO> ReggieUK, You might be able to do the same with optical mouse and a textured wheel on the axle perhaps...
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[16:15] <ReggieUK> possibly
[16:15] <ReggieUK> either way sounds reasonable
[16:15] <BenO> Got to play arkanoid in style though ;)
[16:16] <ReggieUK> I was more thinking tempest :D
[16:16] <BenO> Nice :)
[16:16] <BenO> I'm think this, but not as tall: http://hackaday.com/2009/09/09/in-depth-mame-cocktail-cabinet-build/
[16:17] <BenO> thinking*
[16:17] <ReggieUK> I think the height looks ok
[16:17] <ReggieUK> just all those extra controls on there seems overkill
[16:18] <BenO> Yeah, I'll likely make it one sided - after all, gauntlet loses its charm with push button coin drops
[16:19] <BenO> But my house isn't that big, so it'd have to double as a coffee table
[16:20] <BenO> I'm pretty old school when it comes to arcade games so it's likely that the Pi will suit it well
[16:20] <ReggieUK> if I do anything cabinet wise it'll either go in the garage or it'll be small enough to fit on a sideboard
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[16:21] <ReggieUK> I just want dual sticks for robotron
[16:21] <ReggieUK> more than anything
[16:21] <ReggieUK> trackball for centipede
[16:21] <ReggieUK> and spinner for tempest
[16:21] <Matt> there was an awesome centipede-a-like game for the PC
[16:21] <Matt> called Megapede IIRC
[16:22] <Matt> half of the awesomeness came from the sound samples :)
[16:22] <ReggieUK> :)
[16:22] <ReggieUK> the originals are the best
[16:22] <ReggieUK> and despite their simplicity, they're still insanely difficult games
[16:22] <Matt> for example, after you died, it would go "you're a loser!"
[16:23] <BenO> ReggieUK, there's a cheap flyweight here: http://www.gremlinsolutions.co.uk/spinners.php
[16:23] <ReggieUK> hand eye coordination is right up there with modern games I'd say
[16:23] <Matt> also, there was definitely some tie to Cheesey Software
[16:23] <Matt> cause I remember the logo at the start and it going "cheeeeeeeesey"
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[16:23] <ReggieUK> I'll probably see if I can get another mate to make me a flywheel/knob
[16:24] <BenO> ReggieUK, lucky you ;)
[16:24] <mkopack> http://mame.velociworks.com/controls.html
[16:24] <mkopack> Only thing missing from that is the spinner
[16:24] <mkopack> I've seen other people put a spinner in something like that, as well as a removable steering wheel on the front for racing games
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[16:25] <mkopack> personally I think it's just easier to make easily swappable control modules with a common interface
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[16:25] <Hexxeh> it's crazy how quick the entirety of chromium os can be cross-compiled
[16:26] <ReggieUK> he's obviously got space for it all
[16:26] <Hexxeh> like 1 hour 20 minutes or so for a full rebuild, everything from source, including the toolchain
[16:26] <ReggieUK> I'm thinking something slightly more modest
[16:26] <mkopack> These guys have a lot of stuff as well (and UK based for you guys) http://www.ultimarc.com/index.html
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[16:27] <mkopack> hehe, yeah, well, 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath house with 2 car garage??? and I live alone
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[16:27] <Matt> mkopack: that's a lot of house for one person :)
[16:27] <Matt> mkopack: room for a boat :D
[16:27] <mkopack> well, I had roommates when I bought it originally
[16:28] <BenO> mkopack, nice!
[16:28] * Matt would dearly love a 2 car garage, so there was room to keep a boat
[16:28] <Matt> I'd even deal with scraping ice and snow off my car in the winter
[16:28] <mkopack> But now I'm solo and I've decided, that unless i'm in serious financial situation, no more roommates???. Next one will be a "wife"
[16:28] * BenO has just remembered that sourcing a large VGA was his main problem back then - HDMI on the PI!
[16:28] <mkopack> Shit, I have a 2 car garage and have NO room in it...
[16:29] <mkopack> Trailer, motorcycle, Explorer and all my tools and such take up all the room!
[16:29] <mkopack> I need to do some serious cleaning out of that garage
[16:29] <ReggieUK> wiimote as a cheap lightgun
[16:29] <Matt> mkopack: you want to see a cluttered garage?
[16:29] <mkopack> At one point I even had 2 dirt bikes in there as well
[16:30] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/house/garage/tn/DSCF0007.JPG.html
[16:30] <Matt> that's the garage at our student house in my 4th year at uni
[16:30] <mkopack> Wow, 802.11ac - 3x faster than n??? geesh
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[16:30] <mkopack> Matt: LOL! geesh
[16:31] <mkopack> trying to make your own old computer museum there?
[16:31] <SocksG> Matt: I see floor.
[16:31] <Matt> mkopack: both me and one of my housemates were into retrocomputing :)
[16:31] <Matt> I had to leave a lot of my stuff in the UK when I moved
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[16:34] <SpeedEvil> I'm trying to throw shit out.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> I just threw out a working, but somewhat worn window scraper.
[16:34] <mkopack> Yeah, I used to have a huge amount of old systems??? I gave a ton of it away to a school a few years back???
[16:34] <mkopack> I just got tired of having it laying around not doing anything
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> And I have actually gotten rid of my ISA cards.
[16:35] <Matt> I had all sorts of intresting hardware
[16:35] <mkopack> Oldest system I have right now is a dell 3550 (?) Pentium 3 rack mount server with 6 SCSI drives??? It used to be our old company server before we got bought??? I kept it to use as a home server at some point ,but it's so F'ing loud (fans) that it's just not useable until I move and get a rack set up in a closet
[16:36] <Matt> including a couple of monochrome tektronix X terminals
[16:37] <Matt> mkopack: plus these days, you can build something for not very much that will do the job better, have significantly more storage and use significantly less power
[16:37] <mkopack> yeah, exactly
[16:37] <Matt> been there :)
[16:37] <mkopack> So at this point I'm keeping it just for nostalgia??? otherwise, I've pretty much ditched all the old stuff. Oldest working machine I have in my house right now is my 2007 Macbook
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Oldest working machine is my z88
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> I think
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> A 'netbook' from 1988
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> 4 AA batteries, and up it comes.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88
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[16:39] <mkopack> I kinds want to find an old Tandy PC-100 "portable"
[16:39] <BenO> Nice :)
[16:39] <BenO> Oldest stuff I have are old consoles
[16:39] <BenO> Dreamcast, SNES,etc
[16:39] <mkopack> http://www.club100.org/
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> I had at one point a Lisa
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> Or bits of it at least
[16:40] <mkopack> Oh, well, yeah, I have an old PS2
[16:40] <Matt> someone on #classiccmp got a lisa recently
[16:40] <mkopack> playstation 2
[16:41] <BenO> Anyone here remember INPUT magazine?
[16:41] <Matt> had a nicad battery in it leak tho
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if I can convince someone to buy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Monitor-G090S-825-0997-A-Vintage-Composite-Green-RCA-115V-Display-/130592033547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e67e44b0b
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Which I have one of
[16:41] <Matt> so last I heard it was being cleaned up and damaged components being replaced
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[16:54] <BenO> Slice O' Pi on it's way. Soon I can ditch this Heath Robinson method of connecting to the GPIO...
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[16:59] <mkopack> BenO: Cool! Congrats...
[16:59] <mkopack> Mine is still sitting in the envelope it shipped in??? No point until I get my Pi
[16:59] <mkopack> And even then, I have NO clue how to go about interfacing with the XBee in Linux
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[17:04] <BenO> mkopack, Nor I - for me, it's a handy breakout board to plug normal leads into
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[17:06] <BenO> I am hooked digging through arcade cab sites now... must... return... to report writing...
[17:07] <mkopack> lol
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[17:09] <Caver> ah the excitement
[17:13] <BenO> With the Pi, I could probably make a Mame picture frame...
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[18:04] <shigawire> Yay for bindmounts and being able to overlay a USB key on top of the sdcard only if it's there
[18:05] <shigawire> Now this is flying.
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[18:07] <Caver> whats a bindmount?
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[18:08] <Davespice> any call of duty fans here? :)
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[18:11] <Hexxeh> aaand we're back to the segfaults, presumably JS related...
[18:11] * IT_Sean watches Davespice watch the tumbleweed
[18:11] * SpeedEvil loves pricing errors.
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Though not strictly on-topic.
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Just got 15Kg of chocolate for 10 quid.
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[18:12] <IT_Sean> 0.0
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=253421074 - and similar packs - had been put on sale at 24p per pack of 10, not 2.40 for 10 bars.
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> I could in principle go on a chocolate only diet till June.
[18:13] <IT_Sean> You'd be dead
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> July even
[18:13] <IT_Sean> But. What a way. T go. :p
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> I dunno.
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> There is snickers too.
[18:13] <Davespice> Hmm, look up Skervy mate ;)
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> Does that count as roughage?
[18:13] <Caver> lol
[18:13] <IT_Sean> That remind me, I need to refill my office chocolate stash
[18:14] <Caver> mmm death by chocolate
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Im down to the crappy ones.
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Realistically, this has just sorted out my snacking for a couple of years though.
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> Which is great. :)
[18:14] <IT_Sean> It'll go stale before you can eat it all, though.
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Unless... You share...
[18:16] <Caver> even stale chocolate is still nice
[18:16] <IT_Sean> No. It isn't.
[18:16] <Caver> I used to happily snack on army surpless stuff from the 1950's when I grew up,and am still alove
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> 2 years does not make it go stale, if you keep it cool.
[18:16] <Caver> alive
[18:16] <Davespice> You would be okay if you had Chorcolate Orange though :)
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Stale chocolate tastes like pickled butt.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> I'm in scotland.
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[18:16] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: just leave it by the window then :0
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[18:20] <Matt> Caver: a bind mount allows you to mount one directory on another mountpoint
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[18:20] <shigawire> Caver: Umm, what Matt said `man mount' and look for "The bind mounts" section.
[18:20] <shigawire> for more specific examples
[18:21] <Matt> for example, mkdir /tmp/foo; mkdir /tmp/bar; mount --bind /tmp/foo /tmp/bar
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[18:21] <shigawire> but it can be used for much good, and much evil
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> fstab?
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[18:21] <shigawire> or: mkdir /mnt/usb; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb; mount --bind /mnt/usb/usr /usr
[18:21] <Matt> fstab entries look something like /path/to/source /mountpoint auto bind 0 0
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[18:22] <shigawire> which will replace /usr with a theoretical one from a USB key, but only if it's there
[18:23] <shigawire> (if the 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb' fails because the USB key isn't there, then the bind mount will also fail because it can't find /mnt/usb/usr)
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[18:23] <Matt> there's also unionfs
[18:23] <shigawire> Kind of evil
[18:23] <Matt> which I've tinkered with in the past
[18:24] <Matt> that'll let you mount one thing over the top of another
[18:24] <Matt> and you can still see everything in the underlying mount
[18:24] <shigawire> Matt: I thought of it, but my main hope was to get better IO performance
[18:24] <flaushy_> Matt: how does it handle writes to the lowest layer?
[18:24] <Matt> writes go to the top layer
[18:24] <Matt> IIRc
[18:24] <flaushy_> ah cool
[18:24] <shigawire> For some reason the SD card is going about 1/10th of the speed on the RPi, and even only that fast when the read/write sizes are big enough
[18:25] <Matt> http://unionfs.filesystems.org/ if you wanna go look at the details
[18:25] <flaushy_> thx :)
[18:25] <Matt> it's handy to put a rw map over the top of an ro base
[18:25] <Matt> (think livecd)
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[18:27] <shigawire> and about 80% less evil than what I'm doing with bind mounts too
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[18:42] <AceClown> what is your favourite pie?
[18:42] <AceClown> mine is steak and ale
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[18:43] * SpeedEvil looks at his ginsters chicken pie.
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> I like blackcurrant and apple pie.
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> With a little ginger
[18:44] <BenO> Heidi Pie ftw
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Pinkie Pie.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> That would be an awesome name for a horsemeat pie.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Make it pink.
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[18:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6uLfermPU - that reminds me of.,
[18:47] <BenO> No way I am clicking that, after those statements...
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> It's 'Crunchy Frog'
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Monty Python
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[18:55] <Jen> I prefer spam :P
[18:56] <BenO> The Song or the recycled bits of compressed meat? :)
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[19:11] <SirLagz> Hi !
[19:12] <SirLagz> no one ? :(
[19:13] <Jen> hi?
[19:13] <SirLagz> Hi
[19:13] <Jen> If you lag here long enough you'll find someone will pop up eventually
[19:13] <SirLagz> do you have a Pi Jen ?
[19:14] <SirLagz> lol. It's almost bed time for me
[19:14] <SirLagz> just wanted someone to test something on a Pi for me to see if the command works as I think it will
[19:18] <SirLagz> Well. In that case. Bedtime for me. Cya all.
[19:18] <RITRedbeard> rm -f /
[19:18] <RITRedbeard> ?
[19:18] <SirLagz> lol no
[19:18] <SirLagz> though I've had someone press that on my computer before :/
[19:18] <Caver> you mean sudo rm -fr /
[19:18] <SirLagz> sudo - command not found ? :P
[19:18] <Caver> lol
[19:18] <Caver> anyway whats your command?
[19:19] <SirLagz> cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal | awk -F\ '{ printf("%.0f",$2/1024) }'
[19:19] <Caver> I can run it when I'm back home in a hour or so
[19:19] <SirLagz> if you could kindly post the result to this thread - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/features-and-requests/boot-menu-to-choose-distro-andor-memory-model-of-choice/
[19:19] <SirLagz> that would be brilliant :D
[19:20] <SirLagz> and if anyone is wondering...no there's no point to what I'm making, I just feel like doing it to get some more bash scripting done. :D
[19:20] <PiKeY> does it matter which distro SirLagz?
[19:20] <SirLagz> PiKeY, nope
[19:21] <PiKeY> k sec i just boot up and ssh in
[19:21] <SirLagz> awesome
[19:21] <SirLagz> in that case I stick around :D
[19:22] <PiKeY> am i right in sayin new debian img not have ssh enabled at boot?
[19:22] <PiKeY> how i enable so i can copy/paste cmd into ssh
[19:23] <PiKeY> besides rename file in fat partition
[19:23] <Jen> SirLagz: nope, still waiting for mine to arrive, I'm adraid
[19:23] <Jen> afraid, even
[19:23] <SirLagz> Jen, same as me then. I'm predicting a wait of several months :(
[19:24] <SirLagz> PiKeY, I'm not sure if SSH is enabled by default on the Pi Image...it's not enabled by default on a Debian Install though.
[19:24] <BenO> Latest debian image has it turned off
[19:26] <PiKeY> yer i got the xbmc img from yesterday
[19:26] <SirLagz> hows xbmc run on the Pi ?
[19:26] <PiKeY> i know how to enable it but not got a card reader here to rename the correct file
[19:26] <PiKeY> not bad
[19:26] <PiKeY> menu a bit laggy
[19:26] <SirLagz> mm
[19:26] <PiKeY> had some 1080p mkv`s playing from nas ok tho
[19:26] <SirLagz> nice
[19:27] <PiKeY> no sound as no speakers off monitor
[19:27] <SirLagz> I'll be playing movies over WiFi....that's going to be interesting lol
[19:27] <SirLagz> especially since the WiFi adapter I was going to use has died from heat exhaustion
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[19:32] <PiKeY> wats it sposed to do SirLagz
[19:32] <mozzwald1> PiKeY: you can enable ssh if you boot pi, rename /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc to /boot/boot.rc and then reboot
[19:32] <SirLagz> output the amount of memory that linux can see in megabytes
[19:33] <PiKeY> yer done it mozzwald1, had to go borrow a card reader, was lookin for a way to do from cli
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[19:33] <SirLagz> why borrow a card reader ?
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[19:34] <SirLagz> couldn't you do it from CLI ?
[19:34] <PiKeY> using 1 monitor so had to flick between here and hdmi
[19:34] <PiKeY> pi@raspberrypi:~$ cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal | awk -F\ '{ printf("%.0f",$2/1024) }'
[19:34] <PiKeY> 123pi@raspberrypi:~$
[19:34] <SirLagz> awesome. Thanks
[19:34] <PiKeY> is wat i get
[19:35] <PiKeY> just the 123 i guess?
[19:35] <SirLagz> what I thought it would spit out. Yep that's right :)
[19:35] <PiKeY> np m8
[19:35] <SirLagz> so I'm assuming you have the 128/128 split then
[19:35] <PiKeY> unsure
[19:35] <PiKeY> i think i read liams xbmc img was 128/128
[19:36] <SirLagz> I would think it would need 128 to run xbmc, pretty heavy processing with the 1080p playback and all.
[19:36] <PiKeY> plays nice
[19:36] <SirLagz> Anyway. Many thanks :) Off to bed for me now. G'night all.
[19:36] <PiKeY> l8z
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[19:36] <PiKeY> think there is a new openelec/xbmc img floating about i might try today
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[20:10] <passstab> PiKeY, where?
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[20:23] <BenO> Lots of shiny beagleboards at the OSHUG meeting tonight http://instagr.am/p/J5BJowMDyd/media/?size=l
[20:23] <BenO> Very jealous I can't attend :*
[20:23] <BenO> :(
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[20:26] <flaushy> oshug?
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[20:27] <passstab> oshug?
[20:27] <flaushy> open source hardware user group
[20:27] <flaushy> london based it seems
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[20:28] <Jen> beat me to it, flaushy
[20:29] <Jen> BenO: are you far from Londinium?
[20:30] <BenO> http://oshug.org/ - generally run by @9600 and/or @psd
[20:30] <BenO> Jen, Not that far from London - I can get there in under an hour
[20:32] <Jen> So why can't you attend? Get moving, son! :D
[20:32] <BenO> Jen, Hurt my foot so can't walk far on it atm
[20:33] <Jen> *loans you a wheelchair*
[20:33] <Jen> not much use on the Tube though, trust me :D
[20:33] <BenO> Yeah - seeing the w/c friendly stops vs not is depressing
[20:34] <Jen> Trust me, supposedly step-free stations can be step-free? until you get to the platform xD
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[20:36] <BenO> Jen, Yeah, it's in a terrible state
[20:36] <BenO> Jen, What do you do instead? Taxi?
[20:37] <Jen> Well, I ended up leaving London when the 'chair came along, unfortunately - but I know some wheelies who try and go by tube, otherwise taxi - but I have found when I've visited that buses are generally quite good
[20:37] <PiKeY> @ passstab http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2?start=10 i think, saw something whilst at work. i think its this one
[20:38] <passstab> PiKeY, thanks
[20:38] <BenO> Jen, How far out are you? Different county... country?
[20:39] <Jen> Ah, no. very much a different county now, I've ended up getting stuck "oop north" in Lancashire.. and you?
[20:41] <BenO> Heh, nearly a different country :) I'm in a place called Bishops Stortford now, nr Stansted Airport
[20:41] <zleap> i have heard of that
[20:42] <Jen> I know it :)
[20:42] <BenO> It has a buzzing silicon-valley, technohipster vibe with an totes radical.... nah, it's just a town that happened to be in a nice place logistically for me :)
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[20:44] <passstab> it's in #openelec
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[20:48] <PiKeY> :( sd card too small for open elec build
[20:49] <passstab> :(
[20:49] <passstab> how big?
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[20:50] <PiKeY> 2gb but obv just unde size
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[20:50] <PiKeY> wouldn`t take the arch build either
[20:51] <passstab> you need 2 Gibibyte ?
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[20:52] <PiKeY> i have a 2gb card, not got round to gettin new card yet, its just this one is a few bytes short of reqd space
[20:53] <Matt> resize the image? :)
[20:54] <PiKeY> too much of a *nix n00b
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[20:55] <passstab> PiKeY, that would be a dd command i believe
[20:56] <passstab> you should be able to use google to find it
[20:57] <Gadget-Mac> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/04/26/announcing-the-adafruit-prototyping-pi-plate-kit-for-raspberry-pi/
[20:58] <PiKeY> could i do that in a vm as i using windows
[20:58] <huene> there are programs for windows too
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[20:59] <PiKeY> guess i could cp to a *nix vm and do it
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[20:59] <PiKeY> ah kk i will search
[20:59] <Matt> shrinking the image is trickier actually
[20:59] <Matt> growing is trival
[21:00] <koaschten> farnell germany came up with the order mail for me \o/
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[21:05] <mkopack> Gadget-Mac: Cool!
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[21:05] <mkopack> And so it begins??? the shields start to flow!
[21:05] <BenO> Nice :)
[21:05] * plugwash wonders what happens if you just try and order from farnell without registering interest first
[21:06] <BenO> mkopack, she was always going to make a shield for it - it would've been odd for her not to!
[21:06] <mkopack> plugwash: You get your pi :)???.. HOPEFULLY
[21:07] <Gadget-Mac> Kinda cool http://hackaday.com/2012/04/26/zen-rock-garden-table-uses-magnets-and-sand/#more-72670
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[21:12] <BenO> Jen, just thought, have you been to Leeds or Liverpool hackspace (DoES Liverpool)?
[21:12] <mkopack> Gadget-Mac: yeah that is neat
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[21:13] <Jen> Hey BenO - no, Leeds is further, but I've considered Madlab in Manchester, but only ground floor is accessible. Manchester Geek Girls meets there, and they seem happy to shift to the ground to accommodate.. but the upstairs is warmer and comfier, and I couldn't take them away from that :D
[21:13] <Jen> considered the Man2600 meetings - used to do London2600, but even if I was back in LDN now, the venue is impossible
[21:14] <BenO> Jen, I haven't been to Madlab yet, it's on my list :)
[21:15] <Jen> Well, I'm near Preston, so it's a wee bit of a trip - train to Manc, then work out where to go from there :D blooming frustrating, this. I used to be a mountaineer, for Stallman's sake! :D
[21:16] <BenO> Jen, lol just saw the location of 2600 - yeah, I don't think you could pay me to go there ;)
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[21:17] <PiKeY> any tips on using dd to resize an img (smaller) plz, using ubuntu in vmware to make openelec build slightly smaller to fit on 2gb card
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[21:19] <BenO> Jen, Sorry to hear that.
[21:19] <Jen> BenO: what, London 2600 you mean?
[21:19] <BenO> Jen, yeah London 2600 - the Trocadero... ;)
[21:20] <Jen> Trocadero isn't the issue, they have elevators IIRC ?. they only meet there, then go to the upper storey of the Nell of Old Drury pub
[21:20] <Jen> it's the tiny space inside, and up the stairs, that is somewhat of a hinderance ;)
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[21:21] <BenO> Jen, Oh I see :)
[21:21] <mkopack> Speaking of London, you folks over there all ready for the Olympics?
[21:21] <BenO> mkopack, Packing my bags to get the hell away, yes
[21:22] <mkopack> We were still finishing building and setting up venues here right up until the week before the 96 games
[21:22] <mkopack> BenO??? lol, it wasn't THAT bad...
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[21:22] <h2p> Seeking internship or work involving computers.
[21:22] <h2p> Summer availability (5/1/12-8/19/12): full time
[21:22] <h2p> Availability 8/20/12 and onwards: part time
[21:22] <h2p> Education:
[21:22] <h2p> Undergraduate B.S. computer science student; 4th year(senior) with 2-3 semesters remaining.
[21:22] <h2p> Georgia State University; Atlanta, GA
[21:22] <h2p> 3.2 GPA; 3.9 GPA in computer science classes
[21:22] <h2p> SAT Score: 1300 / 1600
[21:22] <h2p> Work Experience:
[21:22] <h2p> 1.5 years retail at a grocery store: price changes, sign-making.
[21:22] <h2p> Skills:
[21:22] <Jen> I'm frustrated the radio spectrum is being ballsed up just to accommodate olympic nonsense
[21:22] <h2p> -Working knowledge of a Windows scripting programming language(open source) called AutoHotkey; used especially for automating computer work.
[21:22] <h2p> -Introductory schoolwork: C, Java, Perl, Bash shell scripts, assembly, SQL
[21:22] <h2p> -Softwares used: Linux, SSH, UNIX, Virtualbox, MS Office, video/audio editing, text to speech program, automation, macros. Computer building/overclocking.
[21:22] <h2p> Programming Examples:
[21:22] <h2p> -Reduced, by 10 hours / week, Microsoft excel manual data entry of a graduate student with a "macro".
[21:22] <h2p> -Saved seconds or minutes at a time by automating various things at the press of a "hotkey"; e.g. navigating through programs/websites, filling out forms/emails, waiting for things to load, etc.
[21:22] <h2p> -Made simple "bots" that sent input to multiple windows based on monitoring "control" contents, pixel colors, and optically recognized characters(OCR).
[21:22] <h2p> -Computed statistics from text file logs and displayed them in a "listview" graphical user interface.
[21:22] <h2p> -Wrote a script that downloaded a video from the user's current youtube.com page, stored the pixel colors of the video's frames in data files, and modified a program written in C to use the data files. The program would run on an mp3 player with a small 1 by .5 inch screen and play the video.
[21:22] <mkopack> In fact, if you have a spot to - can make a good amount of $$$ renting your place out to people coming to visit for the games
[21:22] <BenO> mkopack, If you can, find the TV show "Twenty Twelve" - that may be a comedy, but, it's so spot on with what has actually happened
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[21:23] <Jen> h2p: please don't flood channels with your spam.
[21:23] <mkopack> h2p: WTF?
[21:23] <BenO> spambot I'd say?
[21:23] <mkopack> Atlanta
[21:23] <nivi> i'm curious and unable to find answers anywhere (potentially due my own incompetence) -
[21:23] <BenO> Or someone trying to get on every internship blacklist as possible
[21:23] <Jen> haha
[21:23] <Jen> well put
[21:24] <mkopack> h2p: Um, out of curiosity, if you got a 1300 SAT, why the HELL did you go to GaState instead of GaTech???
[21:24] <BenO> PiKeY, btw you should be able to mount portions of the .img as loopback
[21:24] <nivi> if video drivers are not yet available, how come there are youtube vids of people running xbmc/playing back 1080p video on the beta board?
[21:24] <zgreg> argh... people are still advertising the olinuxino as a raspberry pi clone
[21:24] <mkopack> State's CS program is nowhere near as reputable as Tech's
[21:24] <nivi> sorry if redundant
[21:24] <zgreg> this is so ridiculuous
[21:24] <BenO> PiKeY, but going down in size, that's a bit of a magic trick
[21:24] <Jen> BenO: seems to be a domestic connection
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[21:25] <BenO> nivi, the 2d/3d acceleration through the X window server is not complete or released
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[21:25] <BenO> nivi, The video core hardware is directly accessible
[21:25] <BenO> nivi, and if you fling video bytes at certain APIs of it, it will render video
[21:26] <nivi> are there any players that can take advantage of this?
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[21:26] <BenO> nivi,the XBMC player uses the hw directly, omxplayer by 'Gimli'
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[21:27] <nivi> okay, thanks
[21:27] <BenO> Jen, Odd to advertise like that. I shall take note of his name ;)
[21:28] <BenO> nivi, np
[21:29] <Jen> I'd be curious to know if ShiftPlusOne, ukscone or Matt do much on spam - suppose it depends where they are on the access list
[21:29] <Jen> Still, at least h2p said it once and then went dead :D
[21:29] <nivi> oh also, wmii's window decoration colours display real weirdly in a way that i suspect is much to do with graphics drivers, as it works fine over VNC; is this to be expected of the current state of graphics drivers?
[21:29] <mkopack> Yeah
[21:30] <nivi> should i report a bug?
[21:30] <mkopack> What do you expect.. he went to GaState...
[21:30] <BenO> Jen, his visual basic script probably crashed
[21:30] <mkopack> lol
[21:30] <mkopack> Probably couldn't get into Ga Tech
[21:31] <BenO> nivi, I'd say it is worth reporting on either github or the forums - search the forums first though, just in case
[21:31] <BenO> nivi, Oh and +1 internet for using wmii :)
[21:31] <nivi> right
[21:31] <nivi> i have found no other reference to it
[21:31] <BenO> nivi, what kind of colour shift is it?
[21:32] <mkopack> Speaking of GaTech (My alma mater) I'll be having dinner down by there tonight :)
[21:32] <BenO> nivi, and HDMI/composite? TV? DVI?
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[21:32] <nivi> it's from the colours specified in https://bitbucket.org/colons/dotfiles/src/3f4ee6a307e6/wmiirc to primary greens and blues
[21:32] <nivi> and over HDMI
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[21:32] <nivi> everyhing else displays fine -- webpages, console colours, desktop wallpapers
[21:32] <nivi> just wmii decorations are borked
[21:33] <nivi> i'll photos
[21:33] <BenO> nivi, interesting. Definitely worth including all that in the issue :)
[21:34] <BenO> PiKeY, This is a guide to opening partitions from within an img, but it is a precise operation! http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux
[21:34] <nivi> i wonder if scrot catches the shift
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[21:39] <BenO> nivi, it is a very interesting error - for the decorations to be out, but the contents to be fine. Worth investigating.
[21:39] <des2> Someone put on their resume that they wrote a macro ?
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[21:39] <nivi> beno: suckless are known for using oft-broken X APIs
[21:40] <nivi> dwm doesn't work properly under virtualbox because of the way it renders window borders
[21:40] <nivi> but yeah, super weird
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[21:41] <nivi> also: suckless sure as hell aren't gonna care, and it's not their fault either; which issue tracker should i tell about this?
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[21:41] <nivi> github/rpi/linux?
[21:41] <BenO> nivi, Yes, or the firmware one - we really need a general 'distro' one though tbh
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[21:42] <nivi> aaah, one or the other
[21:42] <nivi> if i get flamed on one i'll know :3
[21:42] <BenO> Nah it's not like that :)
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[21:48] <nivi> i've a pub quiz to get to; i'll bugreport when i return. in the mean time, beno: you may be curious to look at http://dump.musicfortheblind.co.uk/gallery/?dir=rpiwmii (left is normal, right is rpi)
[21:48] <BenO> Thanks :)
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[21:54] <nivi> whoa
[21:54] <nivi> the colour cycle is retained in screenshots
[21:54] <nivi> man, this is weird
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[21:56] <BenO> nivi, So the left one look correct to you thru the Pi or is it off?
[21:56] <nivi> the left one is another machine on another display
[21:56] <nivi> also: gooood question
[21:56] <nivi> i see what you're getting at
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[21:59] <nivi> oh god
[21:59] <nivi> oh god what
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[21:59] <nivi> beno: yeah; the banana screenshot displays with correct colours on rudument
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[21:59] <nivi> i guess it must be an issue with whatever mechanism wmii uses to load colours then
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[22:00] <BenO> nivi, Well that eliminates that possibility - The can't work out the grey -> blue shift though...
[22:00] <BenO> s/The/I/
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[22:05] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone know if the .config from the RPi github is the latest one used ?
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[22:15] <mkopack> Holy crap the people posting to the forum whining about "it's past my ship date and I still don't have it" are starting to annoy the hell out of me
[22:15] <mkopack> Does NOBODY read?
[22:17] <BenO> mkopack, I read! Now, if you can just tell me why I've not got my Pi yet?!
[22:17] <BenO> ;)
[22:17] <mkopack> Don't make me hit you ;)
[22:18] <Jen> Well, people are impatient. A lot of them are sheep, who've jumped in, tried to get, and don't bother keeping up with what's *actually* going on with the Pi :P
[22:18] <Jen> it's like everyone going "is it out yet" for Ubuntu 12.04 yesterday/today :D
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[22:19] <mkopack> Jen: I know, but that's the thing that's annoying??? And they're all whining about it - do a LITTLE research for god's sake
[22:20] <mkopack> Hopefully all the headaches will be over in the next month or so
[22:20] <mkopack> (then we get to listen to them all whine about how XMBC won't play 90% of the video files in their library...)
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[22:21] <ReggieUK> when they could've found out that it probably won't play 95% of their library before starting
[22:21] <mkopack> Exactly
[22:21] <mkopack> "Should have bought a Roku 2 dimwit"
[22:21] <BenO> "Why won't it play my dvd rips?"
[22:21] <ReggieUK> cry me a rasberry river should be our rallying cry
[22:22] <mkopack> "How do I Hook up a Blue Ray drive to it? - It said it plays Blue Ray Video???"??? No, it said it played Blu-Ray QUALITY video moron!
[22:22] <BenO> mkopack, Oo yeah, there will be a lot of that
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[22:23] <BenO> plus, the people trying to use big draw devices w/ no powered hub
[22:23] <ReggieUK> wait til they find out it can't do much in the way of (modern) audio too
[22:23] <ReggieUK> unless it's via hdmi
[22:25] <RAThomas> The added attention will ultimately help the foundations goals (at least I hope so). But it is a bit of a bummer that some "ooh, shiney!" brats will get a Pi before many developers can.
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[22:26] <ReggieUK> that's life unfortunately
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[22:28] <mkopack> And no offense to you folks who are trying to get by with a 2GB SD card, but really? Just get a 4GB one??? With all the time you're wasting trying to cram everything onto the 2GB, you could have gone to the store, spent $10 and gotten an 8GB one???.
[22:29] <mkopack> (sorry, stupid 4G network connection dropped out??? I swear WiMax SUX)
[22:30] <Da|Mummy> 8gb class10's are $4 these days
[22:31] <mkopack> Can't wait for the LTE iPhone to come out so I can get that, ditch the damn Sprint 4G Hotspot that drops out constantly and just tether everything through the phone
[22:31] <BenO> Have the issues with the class 10's been fixed?
[22:31] <Da|Mummy> class 10 issues?
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[22:32] <Da|Mummy> all my 32gb's are with class 10, or sandisk ultras
[22:32] <des2> The issue was a voltage issue.
[22:32] <des2> The RPI can't produce the proper voltage.
[22:32] <Da|Mummy> ahh, mine should be fine than. its only SOME class10's right?
[22:33] <BenO> des2, the 1.8v issue?
[22:33] <Matt> BenO: that's the one
[22:34] <Matt> IIRC, the recommendation is to use Class 6 cards
[22:34] <des2> Yes,.
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[22:34] <Da|Mummy> but its only some class10's that dont work right?
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[22:35] <Da|Mummy> open pandora has the same problem. multiple class 10 sd's use more voltage than its able to get from device
[22:35] <Matt> nah, this is that the class 10 cards want to drop from 3.3V to 1.8V and the pi doesn't actually bring 1.8V to the card slot, it's hard wired for 3.3
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't that just mean the speed is lower?
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Or it doesn't work at all?
[22:37] <Da|Mummy> wont work at all
[22:37] <mjr> is information on the (non) fixability in software still nonexistent? (ie. not initialize the card for 1.8V operation)
[22:37] <Da|Mummy> shouldnt be for all class10's from my experience with other devices
[22:37] <Matt> I think that's where the question mark is :)
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it works in MMC mode
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Though that would be murderously slow
[22:38] <Matt> I think it's possible for the cards to operate at a lower speed at the higher voltage
[22:38] <Matt> but it has to be supported
[22:38] * Matt forgets all the details
[22:38] <Matt> it's been a few weeks since I was reading up on it
[22:39] <Matt> and seeing as the result was "here's the problem, and the solution is to just use class 6 cards"
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[22:39] <Matt> I didn't really bother holding on to the details :)
[22:39] <mkopack> Yeah, it depends on if the card will accept running at the lower speed with the higher voltage...
[22:39] <mkopack> Some will, some won't
[22:39] <mjr> one would think that they'd have to, for compatibility
[22:40] <Matt> mjr: pff - since when has that meant anything? :)
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[22:40] <mkopack> My understanding is that at boot up, they all default to a slow speed/ 3.3V, but then something happens that tries to make it go into the lower V higher speed mode, and the RPi can't give that lower V and most cards will lock up at that point because they're expecting the lower V signal.
[22:41] <Matt> mkopack: that sounds about right
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[22:41] <Matt> cause there was then some discussion as to whether there was a kernel param to prevent it trying to go into highspeed mode
[22:41] <mjr> Mine, too. But is it the firmware blob or the kernel that does that, and especially in the former's case, can it be fixed
[22:41] <ReggieUK> soooo if we made our own voltage circuit that could switch between the 2 we'd be OK?
[22:42] <ReggieUK> you should be able to force 1bit mode
[22:42] <Matt> ReggieUK: I don't think it's that straightforward :)
[22:42] <ReggieUK> I don't see why not
[22:42] <ReggieUK> it's not like we don't have access to the drivers
[22:42] <ReggieUK> AND a spare gpio :D
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[22:43] <plugwash> IIRC the 1.8v issue only affected the kernel not the firmware
[22:43] <ReggieUK> so, ignoring my voltage mod thingy, what about forcing 1bit mode?
[22:43] <plugwash> so it can be and has been dealt with by making the kernel not try to enter any 1.8v modes
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[22:53] <mkopack> Hopefully we'll all get status updates from Farnel next week, and most of us who haven't gotten Pi's yet will get them before the end of May
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[22:54] <mkopack> Gonna be interesting to see how fast they start flowing once the RS/Farnell production runs start getting shipped out
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[22:58] <mkopack> This guys is out of his ef'n mind! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Full-System-8GB-Monitor-KB-Mouse-Case-USB-HUB-TURNKEY-/251046688922?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a738c789a
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[22:58] <[1]des2> Just get a fast class 6 card.
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[23:00] <timemage> mkopack, who knows, maybe someone would pay it.
[23:00] <bikcmp> mkopack: I cannot guarantee quick shipping, as everything is backordered, so please be aware that making a purchase will be strictly backorder at this point, and full Raspberry Pi systems will ship on a first come, first served basis.
[23:00] <bikcmp> HAHAHAHAH
[23:01] <bikcmp> pay 500 bucks, and don't even ship it
[23:01] <bikcmp> i'd pay $100 for that.
[23:01] <bikcmp> if.
[23:01] <bikcmp> lol
[23:01] <bikcmp> At the moment stock is extremely back ordered, so delivery will be in September at the earliest. First come, first served.
[23:01] <bikcmp> HAHAHAHA
[23:02] <bikcmp> give me your money and i'll ship it in 7 months.
[23:02] <bikcmp> lol
[23:02] <bikcmp> at the earliest*.
[23:03] <BenO> TURNKEY! heh
[23:04] <mkopack> Yeah, I'm replying to the thread on the forums??? He's on there trying to defend it??? It's UTTER BS
[23:04] <AdrianG> wow
[23:04] <AdrianG> raspberry is delayed by 7 months?
[23:04] <bikcmp> lol
[23:04] <bikcmp> AdrianG: yah
[23:04] <bikcmp> i wasn't expecting it.
[23:04] <bikcmp> rer
[23:04] <bikcmp> err*
[23:04] <bikcmp> was.
[23:05] <AdrianG> hilarious
[23:05] <AdrianG> 7 months lol to bring a basic board to the market
[23:05] <timemage> where does this 7 months number come from?
[23:06] <BenO> AdrianG, I think you might have misunderstood...?
[23:06] <AdrianG> ?
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[23:12] <mkopack> Not to mention the setup that guy has spec'ed out in that eBay scam wouldn't work AT ALL.
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[23:13] <mkopack> He's trying to power the RPi off the single USB port on that HORRIBLY crappy little 10" 1024x600 portable TV, providing a USELESS tiny (I've looked at it for my HTPC setup) wireless KB+touchpad thing (which is Horribly overpriced itself), and providing an UNPOWERED USB hub...
[23:14] <mkopack> Oh, and yeah the whole part about "Give me your $500+ now and I REALLY REALLY promise I'll ship it all out to you when it's done???"
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[23:17] <mkopack> HAHAH AND he's charging $20 for shipping it! What a crock...
[23:18] <mkopack> I bought a WAY better monitor and can get a better full sized wireless KB+Mouse, PLUS an external Hard drive and a POWERED USB 7 port hub, along with a 16 or 32GB SD card for less than he's charging...
[23:20] <bikcmp> he's an idiot
[23:20] <bikcmp> if you assemble it yourself
[23:20] <bikcmp> and spend like
[23:21] <bikcmp> 10 seconds putting it all together
[23:21] <bikcmp> it'd be 10 bucks
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[23:24] <BenO> What do you reckon? Is this the make of tv he's suggesting? http://konsta.en.alibaba.com/product/340411338-50063235/7_inch_mini_LCD_TV_AV_input_function_Hot_sale_.html
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[23:25] <BenO> If so, then it will be a composite video connection
[23:26] <mkopack> I think the listing said it was a 10" portable, HDMI input
[23:26] <mkopack> But regardless??? 1024x600 resolution??? UGH
[23:26] <BenO> mkopack, that was via a tineye reverse image search
[23:26] <mkopack> Basically he' just trying to scam people...
[23:27] <mkopack> I got this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Westinghouse+-+22%22+Class+-+LED+-+1080p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/3836863.p?id=1218435155969&skuId=3836863&st=Westinghouse%201080P%20HDTV&cp=1&lp=1 a couple weeks ago on sale for $159 (and then I had another $20 in BBuy reward zone bucks to bring it down even farther)
[23:28] <mkopack> Full 1080P, not that stupid little thing
[23:28] <mkopack> He's totally trying to backpedal in the forum posts and now they've locked the thread
[23:28] <mkopack> I posted how what he has listed will NOT work??? And he replied back saying "the parts are subject to change"
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[23:28] <mkopack> If they're subject to change, then how the hell would I know WHAT I'm handing over $500 for?
[23:29] <mkopack> i.e., he's scamming people
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[23:29] <Jen> report him?
[23:30] <mkopack> NOW, if he ACTUALLY HAD RPi's, and all that stuff, and wanted to sell it for $500 - fine??? All the power in the world to him??? And warning to anyone stupid enough to pay that for that setup. But I take offense to him "selling" something that he doesn't actually have.
[23:30] <mkopack> Jen: others already have to eBay
[23:30] <mkopack> I haven't used my eBay account in YEARS, don't even remember the account info
[23:32] <mkopack> Oh, he's going to give 5% of his PROFITS to the foundation??? right.....
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[23:38] <BenO> Rant for the day over
[23:38] <BenO> I feel cleansed...
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[23:46] <Jen> :D
[23:47] <zleap> hi
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