#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-04-28

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[0:02] <allerbest> sleep
[0:02] <allerbest> well
[0:02] <allerbest> ciao
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[0:04] <vork> Uh, from the BBC video: "it's booting... lines and lines of computer code"
[0:04] <vork> as if software just prints out its own source code :P
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[0:08] <_av500_> it does in movies
[0:08] <vork> But this is Linux!
[0:09] <vork> Also, what's up with that firewall message IDLE prints? IDLE actually uses TCP to communicate with a sub-process? O_o
[0:09] <_av500_> in movies, it's big font MovieOS
[0:10] <friggle> should compile Uplink for the Pi
[0:10] <friggle> (it's not open source, but the source is available - e.g. if you bought the introversion humble bundle)
[0:11] <vork> "it's been quite complicated"
[0:11] <vork> .. ...
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[0:12] <Vitis_Vinifera> friggle: yeah but it gets boring after 5 mins
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[0:13] * PiBot sets mode +v GabrialDestruir
[0:14] <GabrialDestruir> So it's all finally shipping, eh?
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[0:17] <Hexxeh> friggle: nope
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[0:18] <friggle> Hexxeh: with what firmware? the version that was just pushed today? I haven't played with that yet
[0:18] <Hexxeh> yeah i just checked out the latest repo
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[0:21] * Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Happy Now?)
[0:22] * tad_ (b2c85907@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #raspberrypi
[0:22] * PiBot sets mode +v tad_
[0:22] <tad_> Hello there lads
[0:23] <Vitis_Vinifera> hello there fellow lad
[0:23] <curahack> Hello men
[0:23] <curahack> Greetings from the Caribbean
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[0:24] <tad_> anyone for a game of Quake 3 on their @Raspberry_Pi? Pop into #raspberrypi on Freenode IRC for binaries and server details
[0:25] <curahack> you have to ask Hexxeh
[0:25] <tad_> i don't have one yet, but it should work if i get a windows build, so you can pwn me from slower hardware
[0:25] * zidar (~zidar@89-212-16-128.static.t-2.net) has left #raspberrypi
[0:25] <Vitis_Vinifera> tad_: isn't that where we are now?
[0:25] * curahack also interested
[0:26] <TopherBrink> interest+1
[0:26] * Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@Tom4u/founder/tomtiger11) Quit (Quit: Bye!)
[0:27] * tad_ wants to get pwned on quake by rasperry pi users. rpi vs i7+hd6970
[0:27] <curahack> heh
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[0:28] <GabrialDestruir> I don't even have a raspberry pi to play with :(
[0:28] * farmboy (~quassel@cpc15-cmbg14-2-0-cust146.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[0:28] <Vitis_Vinifera> GabrialDestruir: Give me your address and I'll send you one.
[0:28] <Vitis_Vinifera> GabrialDestruir: I promise I won't rape you.
[0:28] <GabrialDestruir> ...
[0:29] <GabrialDestruir> I'll pass.
[0:29] <Vitis_Vinifera> your loss
[0:29] <GabrialDestruir> I have one on order, I just haven't a clue when it's suppose to arrive or ship or anything.
[0:30] <Vitis_Vinifera> Phone 'em up
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> That's an expensive call, I ordered via Export Farnell, and the local offices claim they can't tell me anything
[0:31] * Slaine (~Slaine@cpc1-shep5-0-0-cust969.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> So to get any info I'd have to callthe
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> britain offices
[0:31] <tad_> still haven't got a mail by rs saying i can order one, only "we are making good progress.." yeah.
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> Well if you believe RS
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> they're making all theirs from scratch
[0:32] <tad_> Rs only sent out 700s of em
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> and aren't getting initial stock or w/e
[0:32] <tad_> "Unsere erste Charge von 700 Raspberry Pi wurde an die ersten Besteller in der Warteschlange ausgeliefert (diejenigen, die sich vor 06:01 Uhr eingetragen haben!). "
[0:32] <Hexxeh> tad_: still compiling, sorry
[0:32] <tad_> just got it
[0:32] <tad_> Hexxeh, got a windows build somewhere?
[0:32] <Hexxeh> i'm afraid not, was only doing this for pis
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[0:32] * PiBot sets mode +v Behold
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> Wait, for what? >.>
[0:33] <Vitis_Vinifera> Hexxeh: my pi runs windows, windows build please
[0:33] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:33] <Hydrazine> xD
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> Pi and windows are incompattible last I heard.
[0:33] <Vitis_Vinifera> GabrialDestruir: nu uh
[0:33] <tad_> What version is it then, Hexxeh
[0:33] <Hydrazine> but I heard of someone who runs haiku on his Pi
[0:34] <Hexxeh> tad_: this https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[0:34] <SnackPak> Vitis_Vinifera: you're running windows on your Pi? Is it a special version?
[0:34] <Vitis_Vinifera> SnackPak: nope
[0:34] <tad_> I wonder if any windows build is compatible with it, network and stuff wise
[0:35] <TopherBrink> my pi is running workbench 1.3
[0:35] <tad_> Because i don't feel like getting mingw and compiling everything now
[0:35] <GabrialDestruir> Quake 3 for pi, sweet.
[0:35] <Vitis_Vinifera> tad_: quake3 is quake3. It wouldn't be very good if network play wasn't cross compatible
[0:35] <GabrialDestruir> Now someone just needs to get the Xbox 360 controller to work for the Pi and I'm set xD
[0:36] <tad_> Yeah, but there are builds like openarena that build upon the quake3 engine, only needing to find out what version is pretty much unmodified and ready to download/play
[0:36] <Vitis_Vinifera> GabrialDestruir: Hahaaha... quake3 with a controller?! You're about to get pwnt
[0:36] <SnackPak> GabrialDestruir: heh, I was planning on using an old original xbox controller with my pi
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> I hate the original xbox controllers, they're horrid
[0:36] <TopherBrink> quake 3 with pad... might as well just stand still and give up.
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> too big
[0:37] <SnackPak> yeah, but i have a few and am not afraid to crack one open
[0:38] <tad_> Wait for pi, put pi into controller, done.
[0:38] <SnackPak> tad_: nice
[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be pretty sweet actually.
[0:38] <tad_> Oh and propably write some drivers so it actually does something besides housing a pi
[0:39] <TopherBrink> expand the card slots for it
[0:39] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[0:40] <Vitis_Vinifera> GabrialDestruir: Your hands are just too small
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Build a controller around the Pi, you could have your video games anywhere, like one of those cheap "Plug it into the TV and play"
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Except, better, cause you'd have a whole little mini computer
[0:41] <TopherBrink> mouse mapped to analogue stick
[0:42] <Vitis_Vinifera> I think you just described the xperia play
[0:42] * s[x] (~sx]@60-241-151-10.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:42] <Vitis_Vinifera> or a pandora
[0:42] * Turingi (~devon@unaffiliated/devon-hillard/x-7250961) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably build an entire OS around the idea, no mouse, but more like a game console interface for everything.
[0:44] <Vitis_Vinifera> just use android
[0:44] <_av500_> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/12/jxdshot.png
[0:44] <vork> Even better, you could design an entire UI based on efficient use of the keyboard, vim-style :)
[0:44] <TopherBrink> yes then the os can be obsolete in six months
[0:45] <_av500_> http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7084/6963032936_908975f12e.jpg
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not thinking like a built in screen.... more something like one of these http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Namco-Arcade-Classics-Plug-Games/dp/B00009VDXX/ref=sr_1_6?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1335566651&sr=1-6
[0:46] <tad_> better idea than having to play shooters and the likes with 2 thumbs on the display
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Just with a more modern control design.
[0:46] <tad_> so you are not able to see anything
[0:46] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)
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[0:48] <tad_> I might be utterly stupid for trying to build the arm quake on windows with visual studio, right...? ^^
[0:48] <tad_> Only 38 build errors
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[0:49] * PiBot sets mode +v a5m0
[0:51] <tad_> While waiting for the RS order email ill download & play some risen2, steam server is so slow
[0:52] <Vitis_Vinifera> tad_: Change your location to somewhere asleep
[0:53] <tad_> Here in Germany most guys should be asleep or drunk, so i thought i had good chances here
[0:54] <Vitis_Vinifera> Nah 1am is peak gaming time.
[0:54] <Vitis_Vinifera> Try singapore
[0:55] <tad_> Hexxeh, I like your website, it's perfectly dark to read at night and not be killed by brightness of the monitor
[0:56] <tad_> Just set it to india, now it loads with like 2mb/s
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[0:57] * PiBot sets mode +v kish_
[0:57] <kish_> hello
[0:57] <Vitis_Vinifera> olleh
[0:57] <SnackPak> hi!
[0:57] <kish_> i had a really quick question
[0:58] <kish_> not technical at all... just a bit curious
[0:58] <Vitis_Vinifera> no
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[0:58] <kish_> where do we find the serial number of the pi?!
[0:58] <hackery21> hi
[0:58] <hackery21> sticker
[0:58] <hackery21> on back
[0:58] <kish_> ah, thought so
[0:58] <hackery21> i think...
[0:58] <kish_> number 888 :)
[0:58] <tad_> Well, its pretty small
[0:58] * passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:58] <hackery21> yup
[0:58] <tad_> so there is not much area to look for it
[0:58] <hackery21> makes sense
[0:58] <kish_> although, there's a second number that i found just above the "power" label on the board
[0:58] <Matt> well, that's progress
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[0:59] <hackery21> yea
[0:59] <Matt> quake3 on my netbook is quite playable
[0:59] <hackery21> but its probaably the stocker
[0:59] <hackery21> sticker*
[0:59] <kish_> yeh, assumed so
[0:59] <kish_> just thought i'd ask out of curiosity!
[0:59] <hackery21> ok
[0:59] <hackery21> I cant wait to get mine
[0:59] <hackery21> around 2 months left
[0:59] <hackery21> maybe 3
[0:59] <hackery21> maybe 4
[1:00] <Matt> but I suck without a mouse :)
[1:00] <kish_> when did you order?
[1:00] <hackery21> April 20
[1:00] <hackery21> I spoke withsomeone
[1:00] <hackery21> today
[1:00] <hackery21> he said probably end of june
[1:00] <kish_> ah, fair enough. I woke up at 6am on the day. quite happy that I did now.
[1:01] <hackery21> I did not need it then
[1:01] <hackery21> Now I have started project
[1:01] <hackery21> and this would be great for a prototype
[1:02] <kish_> cool. I'm like one of the hundreds of peopel who wants to install xbmc on it and get a cheap media center
[1:02] * plugwash is hoping that when boards from the 8K start shipping that some of them will show up on ebay and the prices won't be as crazy as last time
[1:02] <kish_> I've got xbmc running alongside debian squeeze (thanks to Liam's image on the forums)
[1:03] <Vitis_Vinifera> kish_: openelec
[1:03] <kish_> yeh, I haven't got a linux build computer
[1:03] <hackery21> *hoping* hi
[1:03] <kish_> and have no space on my windows laptop HD!
[1:03] <hackery21> how do I do it
[1:03] <Vitis_Vinifera> how do you do what?
[1:03] <kish_> how do you do what?
[1:04] <kish_> jinx.
[1:04] <hackery21> hoping
[1:04] <hackery21> on chat
[1:04] <kish_> type /me
[1:04] <kish_> that usually works
[1:04] * hackery21 hi
[1:04] * kish_ is testing
[1:04] <hackery21> ok
[1:04] <hackery21> I thought that
[1:05] <hackery21> but then thought maybe theres another command
[1:05] * tad_ thinks more kids should learn some basic irc commands instead of sitting in facebook chat all day
[1:05] <kish_> haha
[1:05] <Hexxeh> hmm
[1:05] <Hexxeh> quake3 started okay, no display though
[1:05] * kish_ agrees with tad. there's a /help function for a reason
[1:05] <Vitis_Vinifera> Hexxeh: you don't need display
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[1:05] * hackery21 hates facebook
[1:05] * kish_ should have tested /help before mentioning it.
[1:05] <Vitis_Vinifera> Hexxeh: good quake3 players should be able to detect enemies with stereo sound alone
[1:05] <Hydrazine> xD
[1:06] <venerable13> xd +1
[1:06] <hackery21> Who still plays Quake
[1:06] <Vitis_Vinifera> your mother
[1:06] <curahack> ME
[1:06] <curahack> :P
[1:06] <TopherBrink> RPi owners
[1:06] <tad_> You could try to route enemy detection to 3 leds via gpio
[1:06] <curahack> What's the server IP?
[1:06] <hackery21> I had it on my "jailbroken" wii years ago
[1:07] <tad_> so, you only have to move around and the leds tell you when an enemy is near
[1:07] <Vitis_Vinifera> curahack:
[1:07] <curahack> lol, sure
[1:07] * JMNUTS (~macbook@ Quit (Quit: JMNUTS)
[1:07] <vork> Vitis_Vinifera: How did you know my IP address?!
[1:07] <tad_> Vitis_Vinifera: :D
[1:07] <TopherBrink> i helped "jailbreak" said wii
[1:07] * venerable13 (~venerable@ Quit (Quit: Saliendo)
[1:07] <Vitis_Vinifera> jailbreak is an iphone term, it's not used for anything else.
[1:07] <hackery21> You wish
[1:07] <hackery21> lol
[1:07] <TopherBrink> i know it is
[1:07] <hackery21> Lol no it is not
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> Vitis_Vinifera: ipads
[1:08] <hackery21> not really
[1:08] <TopherBrink> i dont wish, i did.
[1:08] <tad_> Vitis_Vinifera: Maybe for real jailbreaking tho, but i don't think someone in here is sitting in a jail right now.. well
[1:08] <Vitis_Vinifera> SpeedEvil: people jailbreak ipads?
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[1:08] * PiBot sets mode +v phirsch
[1:08] <TopherBrink> wii hack is the more common term
[1:09] <Vitis_Vinifera> I can't imagine what it would be like to be stuck on a mobile OS without sideloading
[1:09] <hackery21> +v hackery21
[1:09] <Vitis_Vinifera> hackery21: You're already voiced
[1:09] <hackery21> lol i was just seeing if it would do anything
[1:10] <hackery21> transformice
[1:10] <Vitis_Vinifera> hackery21: type /quit
[1:10] <hackery21> You wish
[1:11] <hackery21> .
[1:11] <hackery21> pi
[1:11] <hackery21> 3.141592
[1:11] <kish_> found a really cool keyboard shortcut the other day
[1:11] <kish_> ctrl + w
[1:11] <hackery21> Pi Pi Mathematical Pi
[1:12] * piney0 (~piney@pool-138-89-71-153.mad.east.verizon.net) has left #raspberrypi
[1:12] <kish_> it resizes your window to full screen
[1:12] <kish_> bahahahahahahaha
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[1:12] <hackery21> lol
[1:12] * vork (~vork@89-168-191-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[1:12] * PiBot sets mode +v vork
[1:12] <hackery21> you wish
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[1:12] * PiBot sets mode +v piney0
[1:12] <kish_> :P
[1:12] <vork> Stupid thing was I thought, "but I haven't configured my window manager that way".
[1:14] <hackery21> lalalala
[1:14] <hackery21> food
[1:14] <hackery21> newark
[1:14] <hackery21> the TX incorporation fee is a rip off
[1:15] <hackery21> $300
[1:15] <hackery21> hahahaha
[1:15] * kish_ (c2a45004@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[1:15] <hackery21> boriiiinnngggg
[1:16] <hackery21> I noticed, Newark representatives always say byebye
[1:16] <hackery21> rather than bye
[1:16] <hackery21> or seeya
[1:16] <hackery21> or whatever
[1:17] * hackery21 is bored
[1:17] * hackery21 is leaving
[1:17] <hackery21> ./bye
[1:17] <hackery21> lol
[1:17] * hackery21 (62c4cd0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit ()
[1:17] <vork> </monologue>
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[1:29] <Hexxeh> GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[1:30] * Jen (~jen@host-92-23-216-82.as13285.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:33] <Hexxeh> ah, probably because my memory split is the 224mb one
[1:34] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: what distro are you running?
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[1:34] <Hexxeh> debian
[1:34] <a_c_r> vanilla or the hardfpified deb?
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[1:34] <Hexxeh> vanilla at the moment
[1:35] <a_c_r> did you do anything on your q3 compiliation?
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[1:47] <Hexxeh> point the include/lib vars to the right places and run build.sh, that's it
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[1:49] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: cool. that's what I did.
[1:49] <Hexxeh> no sound for you either then?
[1:49] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: what sort of framerates are you getting at what res?
[1:49] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: no sound
[1:49] <Hexxeh> not checked, res is forced to 1920x1080
[1:49] <Hexxeh> how'd i check framerate?
[1:50] <a_c_r> hmm
[1:50] <Hexxeh> tried cg_showFPS 1 but it's not showing anything
[1:50] <a_c_r> something like /cg_drawfps 1
[1:56] <Hexxeh> pretty poor, between 10 and 35fps
[1:56] <Vitis_Vinifera> Ugh
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[1:56] <Vitis_Vinifera> unplayable then
[1:56] <Hexxeh> Vitis_Vinifera: that's on full settings (default)
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[1:56] <Hexxeh> surely we must be able to squeeze more than that out of it
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[1:57] <aditsu> can I join with a normal computer?
[1:57] <Vitis_Vinifera> Don't tell me you left x16 AA and bloom HDR on?
[1:58] <Vitis_Vinifera> aditsu: I think the point is to promote the pi, otherwise you might aswell just join #quake3 instead
[1:59] <aditsu> anyway, I'd probably get fragged in 3 sec (unless the lava gets me first) :p
[2:00] <Hexxeh> i don't think the low framerate is a graphics thing
[2:00] <Hexxeh> even if you look into the skybox only, it's quite low
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[2:00] <Hexxeh> it seems like it's more cpu bound
[2:00] <Hexxeh> having bots in drops the fps by like 15-20
[2:01] <Hexxeh> it's pretty much playable in multiplayer
[2:01] <Vitis_Vinifera> Hexxeh: More like the pi is just too underpowered and again it's proven that all these countless videos promoting the pi as a quake3 player were just misleading consumers.
[2:02] <A1B0HPH0B1A> So it doesn't work?
[2:02] <Hexxeh> wasn't it demo'd at 1280x720?
[2:02] <Hexxeh> not 1920x1080?
[2:04] <ReggieUK> piless, are you trolling the pi again
[2:04] <TopherBrink> they've shown it at 1080P before iirc
[2:04] <TopherBrink> at least once
[2:06] <Hexxeh> i'm sure with some tweaking/optimisation it'll run great
[2:06] <TopherBrink> doubtlessly
[2:06] <TopherBrink> early days yet after all
[2:07] <Vitis_Vinifera> what about unreal?
[2:07] <ReggieUK> I don't think they made out that it was great for quake3 lan parties, just showed a video running it
[2:07] <ReggieUK> a bit like the bunny 1080p video
[2:07] <ReggieUK> it's a single example of something working
[2:07] <TopherBrink> i always took it as a basic `proof of concept` anyway
[2:07] <ReggieUK> everyone else extrapolated that it would run xbmc seamlessly with everything
[2:07] <ReggieUK> TopherBrink, same as
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[2:14] <TopherBrink> truth is i dont even really care what the framerate is at the minute, it'll just be fun to see it running
[2:15] <Vitis_Vinifera> you can run skyrim at 1fps
[2:15] <Hexxeh> i think a distro that's solely to run quake3 might be fun
[2:16] <TopherBrink> it would be an interesting one certainly
[2:16] <Hexxeh> might throw that together tomorrow
[2:16] <Hexxeh> with hardfp
[2:17] <TopherBrink> wonder if even sdcard speed might affect the end fps much overall
[2:18] <Hexxeh> maybe
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> dropping to 640x480 may help
[2:19] <TopherBrink> not massively i suppose but never know
[2:20] <Hexxeh> SpeedEvil: i'm not sure
[2:20] <Hexxeh> dropping the resolution doesn't tend to help if it's a CPU bottleneck
[2:20] <Vitis_Vinifera> SpeedEvil: It would also hurt your eyes
[2:21] <TopherBrink> every trick is worth a shot
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[2:21] <TopherBrink> simpler maps, lower res, no harm trying things
[2:22] <Vitis_Vinifera> they're not tricks michael. A trick is what a whore does for money. ILLUSIONS..
[2:23] <Hexxeh> time to compile what was probably the first game i ever played
[2:23] <Vitis_Vinifera> monkey island?
[2:24] <Hexxeh> that was one of them
[2:24] <Hexxeh> something else, though
[2:24] <Vitis_Vinifera> monkey island 2?
[2:25] <danieldaniel> "anyone for a game of Quake 3 on their @Raspberry_Pi? Pop into #raspberrypi on Freenode IRC for binaries and server "
[2:25] <danieldaniel> Hexxeh: Givez me teh binaryz
[2:25] <Vitis_Vinifera> danieldaniel: it was a lie
[2:26] <danieldaniel> oh
[2:26] <danieldaniel> FUUUU
[2:26] <danieldaniel> you realize its on the front page now, right?
[2:26] <Hexxeh> is it?
[2:26] <Hexxeh> aww, better upload them then.
[2:26] <danieldaniel> Hexxeh: Can I have them?
[2:27] <danieldaniel> ANd will it work on fedora? :(
[2:27] <Hexxeh> no idea, only tested on debian
[2:27] <Vitis_Vinifera> nothing works on fedora
[2:27] <danieldaniel> debian won't work for me
[2:27] <Vitis_Vinifera> danieldaniel: frontpage of what?
[2:27] <danieldaniel> Vitis_Vinifera: raspberrypi.org
[2:28] <Hexxeh> zipping up binaries now
[2:28] <Vitis_Vinifera> danieldaniel: Not for me it isn't
[2:28] <Hexxeh> bring your own pak3 files, can't be assed uploading them
[2:28] <danieldaniel> on the tweet thing
[2:28] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:29] <Vitis_Vinifera> danieldaniel: link?
[2:29] <danieldaniel> um
[2:29] <danieldaniel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[2:29] <Vitis_Vinifera> no, a direct link to the article
[2:30] <IT_Sean> Vitis_Vinifera, go to raspberrypi.org, and open your eyes
[2:30] <Vitis_Vinifera> Another element14/Premier Farnell/Newark update?
[2:30] <danieldaniel> omg
[2:30] <danieldaniel> I give up
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[2:31] <Vitis_Vinifera> link?
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[2:32] <danieldaniel> its on the main page
[2:32] <danieldaniel> on the tweet section
[2:32] <danieldaniel> it says twitter
[2:32] <IT_Sean> Vitis_Vinifera, http://www.raspberrypi.org
[2:32] <Vitis_Vinifera> what tweet section?
[2:32] <TopherBrink> ...
[2:32] <IT_Sean>
[2:33] <danieldaniel>
[2:33] <a_c_r> Here are my awesomely compiled binaries: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/npkpapmp7odkusf/Tw9Ofr0sSL/q3.tar.bz2
[2:33] <Vitis_Vinifera> no, a link to the article
[2:33] <Hexxeh> just uploading mine atm
[2:33] <IT_Sean> Vitis_Vinifera, if you'd just opened your eyes you'd have found it by now.
[2:33] <Hexxeh> 3.14MB
[2:33] <Hexxeh> oh wow.
[2:33] * danieldaniel downloads as fast as I can
[2:34] <danieldaniel> I'm making my RasPi a car computer
[2:34] <Hexxeh> radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip
[2:34] <danieldaniel> I got the portable monitor
[2:34] <a_c_r> well, technically, my link is tarball of my entire build folder
[2:34] <Hexxeh> i've stripped it down to just the required binaries
[2:34] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: showoff. :-)
[2:35] <Vitis_Vinifera> IT_Sean: Link?
[2:35] <danieldaniel> ITS ON THE MAIN PAGE
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[2:35] <IT_Sean> christ on a pogo stick. IT IS ON THE BLOODY MAIN PAGE.
[2:35] <danieldaniel> Vitis_Vinifera: He gave you the link twice
[2:35] <danieldaniel> christ on a pogo stick?
[2:36] <danieldaniel> lmao
[2:36] <IT_Sean> Yes... holy bouncing christ on a pogo stick.
[2:36] <TopherBrink> i concur
[2:36] <tad_> mirror: http://api.sensu.me/data/quake3.zip
[2:37] <IT_Sean> Vitis_Vinifera, http://lmgtfy.com/
[2:37] <IT_Sean> or, rahter http://bit.ly/JMbaTN
[2:37] <danieldaniel> IT_Sean: LOLPWNT
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[2:38] <danieldaniel> a_c_r: how do I start yours
[2:38] <danieldaniel> its downloading
[2:38] <a_c_r> go into the build/relea* directory
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[2:38] <a_c_r> type ./ioquake3
[2:38] <danieldaniel> oh
[2:38] <Hexxeh> probably sudo LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<path to SDL libs> ./ioquake3.arm
[2:39] <a_c_r> you'll obviously need the baseq3 and patch files from elsewhere
[2:39] <Hexxeh> or just ./start.sh on my files
[2:39] <Hexxeh> once you've copied the pk3 files into the baseq3 folder
[2:39] <danieldaniel> a_c_r: from where?
[2:40] <danieldaniel> can you give me a link to everything?
[2:40] <tad_> Hexxed: where are you hosting your site?
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[2:40] <a_c_r> uhhh. they're on your quake 3 cd/dvd
[2:40] <danieldaniel> a_c_r: what quake3 dvd?
[2:40] <tad_> Just torrent it. (If its legal in your country, of course.)
[2:40] <Vitis_Vinifera> IT_Sean: ?????
[2:40] <Hexxeh> tad_: I've got a bunch of locations, lemme check where radium is
[2:40] <Vitis_Vinifera> IT_Sean: http://i.imgur.com/GPslg.png
[2:40] <danieldaniel> im confused
[2:41] <a_c_r> danieldaniel: q3 engine is opensource
[2:41] <Vitis_Vinifera> IT_Sean: The latest blog post is about farnell, not twitter
[2:41] <danieldaniel> oh, I need the actual game
[2:41] <a_c_r> danieldaniel: q3 graphics are not; you'll need to find those elsewhere
[2:41] <danieldaniel> :(
[2:41] <Hexxeh> danieldaniel: http://www.quake3droid.com/missingpaks.php
[2:41] <Hexxeh> Google knows all
[2:41] <Hexxeh> tad_: Radium is located in Germany
[2:41] <a_c_r> danieldaniel: you can probably get away with pk3 files from the demo
[2:42] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:42] <danieldaniel> how big are they?
[2:42] <a_c_r> no idea.
[2:42] <Hexxeh> like 65MB for the ones I downloaded
[2:42] <tad_> Hexxeh: Uh, nice, i could need some good hosting provider for some stuff :S *begs*
[2:42] <danieldaniel> XD
[2:42] <Hexxeh> tad_: I do sell VPSes pretty cheap
[2:42] <Hexxeh> But all my German ones are sold out I'm afraid
[2:42] <Hexxeh> tad_: http://vps.hexxeh.net/
[2:42] <tad_> Who wants a vps in Germany
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[2:43] <Hexxeh> Well, I have France and North Carolina too
[2:43] <Hexxeh> I also have London, but not for sale, just a few private boxes for myself
[2:43] <Vitis_Vinifera> I'll give you 50 pence for a london
[2:43] <tad_> If you had some 'offshore' VPSs i'd be in :d
[2:44] <Vitis_Vinifera> tad_: Go take your pedophillia elsewhere
[2:44] <Hexxeh> still toying with the idea of doing raspi colo later in the year once they become widely available
[2:44] <tad_> Just don't like all those new laws, acta, pipa, data preservation etc
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[2:46] <tad_> It doesn't really need colocation, all you need for raspi server farm is a little uplink and a plastic box
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[2:49] <Vitis_Vinifera> IT_Sean: You going to answer me or what?
[2:49] <IT_Sean> No. I hadn't planned on it.
[2:49] <IT_Sean> We are not an article finding service.
[2:49] <IT_Sean> We are not here to bend to your will.
[2:49] <Vitis_Vinifera> I gave you a screenshot
[2:49] <Hexxeh> compiling /on/ a raspi is so painful
[2:49] <Vitis_Vinifera> there was no twitter
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[2:50] <danieldaniel> it says no rule to make target
[2:51] <Hexxeh> danieldaniel: what are you trying to do
[2:51] <danieldaniel> quake3
[2:51] <Hexxeh> it's already been built for you, why are you running make
[2:51] <danieldaniel> i didn't
[2:51] <danieldaniel> I'm not using yours
[2:52] <danieldaniel> using acrs
[2:52] <Hexxeh> oh, hell knows then :P
[2:52] <danieldaniel> :)
[2:52] <curahack> How's the Q3 gameplay?
[2:52] <danieldaniel> it doesn't work
[2:52] <tad_> Hexxeh, got some root servers for the VPSs or your own little provider?
[2:52] <Vitis_Vinifera> curahack: slow
[2:52] <Hexxeh> not great curahack, needs some work
[2:53] <Hexxeh> tad_: i rent dedicated boxes and do my own virtualisation
[2:53] <curahack> what FPS are you getting, and what resolution?
[2:53] <Hexxeh> curahack: 10-35fps, 1920x1080
[2:54] <Vitis_Vinifera> what about with a rocket to the face?
[2:54] <Hydrazine> works good enough, but a higher frame rate would be nice
[2:55] <curahack> is it laggy then? because I think that FPS range is pretty fine for a RPi on FullHD
[2:56] <Vitis_Vinifera> curahack: For it to be completely playable it shouldn't dip below 30
[2:56] <a_c_r> I feel like trying it with composite input
[2:57] <Hexxeh> or just set the framebuffer size?
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[2:59] <Hexxeh> can anyone guess what i'm compiling? http://cl.ly/GCdQ
[2:59] <Hydrazine> 1vs1 against a bot feels fast enough to be playable
[2:59] <Vitis_Vinifera> modern warfare 2
[3:00] <tad_> http://www.openttd.org/en/
[3:00] <Hexxeh> tad_ wins
[3:00] <tad_> Now, do i win a free lifetime vps?
[3:00] <Hexxeh> sadly not :P
[3:00] <tad_> Damn
[3:00] <mkopack> Hmm??? something with vehicles
[3:00] <Vitis_Vinifera> Is it just me or are those open-source clones a tiny bit shit?
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[3:01] <Vitis_Vinifera> It's like compare freeciv to civ4... they just don't compare.
[3:01] <mkopack> openTTD?
[3:01] <Hexxeh> mkopack: tad_ guessed it already, it's OpenTTD
[3:01] <Vitis_Vinifera> let alone civ5
[3:01] <Hexxeh> yeah
[3:01] <tad_> simply http://google.com/search?q=build_vehicle_gui.cpp
[3:01] <mkopack> NICE
[3:01] <mkopack> I LOVED TT!
[3:01] <Hexxeh> it was like, the first game i ever played back on DOS
[3:01] <Hexxeh> had the demo on floppy disk
[3:01] <mkopack> haha, youngin :)
[3:02] <Hexxeh> maybe chips challenge and commander keen, too
[3:02] <Vitis_Vinifera> is openttd the multiplayer one?
[3:02] <a_c_r> crashed with composite video and q3
[3:02] <mkopack> Do me a favor, if you get some time, see if VICE (c64 emulator) works
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[3:02] <mkopack> I BELIEVE there's a armel build for it
[3:02] <mkopack> on debian
[3:02] <Hexxeh> mkopack: if you wanna give me a source link i can try it out
[3:02] <Hexxeh> oh, if there's a package, even better
[3:03] <Vitis_Vinifera> http://vice-emu.sourceforge.net/amigaos.html
[3:03] <mkopack> If that works, I have a whole DVD full of C64 software to play with :) Relive the 1980's :)
[3:04] <Hexxeh> unable to locate package, looks like it's missing
[3:04] <Hexxeh> could build it from source though
[3:04] <tad_> perhaps you should try building it on your apple
[3:04] <tad_> if theres something like crosscompile
[3:04] <mkopack> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/vice/download
[3:04] <Vitis_Vinifera> http://packages.debian.org/en/lenny/arm/vice/filelist
[3:05] <mkopack> Crap, looks like it's set up for EABI ARM machines
[3:05] <mkopack> isn't that like ARM 7?
[3:05] <Hexxeh> no
[3:05] <mkopack> oh, cool??? then there's still a chance
[3:05] <Hexxeh> running configure for it now
[3:05] <Hexxeh> doing two builds at once so it'll be pretty slow
[3:05] <mkopack> np, no rush.
[3:05] <mkopack> Just curious
[3:06] <Vitis_Vinifera> stop this nonsense
[3:06] <Vitis_Vinifera> get back to work on chrome os
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[3:06] <mkopack> lol
[3:06] <Hexxeh> Vitis_Vinifera: waiting for either the nox patches to be sent to me, or some x11 drivers
[3:06] <Hexxeh> nothing i can do until i have one of those
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[3:06] <Vitis_Vinifera> Hexxeh: I'll trade you some x11 drivers for a handjob
[3:06] <danieldaniel> o.o
[3:07] <Vitis_Vinifera> danieldaniel: avert your gaze
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[3:12] <a_c_r> strange behavior... stupid thing crashed again.
[3:12] <a_c_r> no more mister nice a_c_r... time to breake out the probes
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[3:12] <Vitis_Vinifera> a_c_r: electrical tape solves all problems
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[3:14] <a_c_r> overcurrent. weak.
[3:14] <Hydrazine> debugging by intimidation
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[3:16] <a_c_r> Hydrazine: pretty much. I did some early power testing with my board, so I have a pretty good idea what happens when its ??ssed off.
[3:16] <a_c_r> network/usb failure is pretty much a dead giveaway for power issues
[3:16] <Hydrazine> because those need at least 4V?
[3:17] <a_c_r> i've been powering it off of an insignia infocast 3.5 (chumby one clone)
[3:17] <a_c_r> it can feed .5A at 5v via USB
[3:17] <a_c_r> but quake is pulling over .5A
[3:18] <Hydrazine> hehe
[3:18] <a_c_r> actually, now that I think about it, that's probably why XBMC was failing
[3:18] <Vitis_Vinifera> a_c_r: Give the poor thing more than .5A
[3:18] <Hydrazine> not completely unrelated, is there a temperature sensor in the core?
[3:19] <Hexxeh> not afaik
[3:19] <a_c_r> Hydrazine: no idea.
[3:20] <a_c_r> on the bright side... with composite video, framerates are 20-50fps
[3:21] <Vitis_Vinifera> but it's also composite.. soo
[3:21] <Hexxeh> mkopack: it configured okay, took ages mind. running make now.
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[3:21] <mkopack> cool thankjs
[3:21] <mkopack> like I said, no rush??? didn't have to do it right now
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[3:23] <Hexxeh> i try to keep my Pis busy overnight
[3:23] <a_c_r> Hexxeh: cross compiling anything?
[3:23] <Hexxeh> nah, compiling on device
[3:24] <Hexxeh> not /massive/ projects so i can get away with it
[3:24] <mkopack> lol
[3:24] <Hexxeh> openttd almost finished, only took like an hour :P
[3:24] <Hexxeh> takes about 5 minutes on an i7 so that's not too bad
[3:24] <Vitis_Vinifera> openttd sucks
[3:25] <a_c_r> yeah.
[3:25] <a_c_r> i've only compiled on-device
[3:25] <a_c_r> but I'm thinking about setting up a cross compile environment
[3:25] <a_c_r> need to do some kernel tweaking, and damn that will take too long
[3:25] <Hexxeh> i have one, but it's a bit more of a faff for stuff that uses the videocore
[3:26] <a_c_r> ahh
[3:26] <Hexxeh> i don't have the headers/libs in my cross compile environment
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[3:26] <Vitis_Vinifera> if you chuck a pi and a ferret off a 200 ft cliff, which would hit the ground first?
[3:28] <mkopack> So, are there any good books I should get that explain how to do all this stuff? Cross compiling, messing with the kernel, even just rebuilding the kernel?
[3:29] <Hexxeh> never really read any books on it
[3:29] <Hexxeh> google and a bit of trial and error worked well for me
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[3:31] <Vitis_Vinifera> kernel hacking for dummies
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[3:37] <mkopack> Hmm??? I was just hoping one of the Linux books would be considered the best for learning how to do those things. I HATE playing the "hunt around the web" game because you end up getting conflicting and confusing information and it takes up a huge amount of time (that I don't really have...)
[3:38] <Vitis_Vinifera> kernel hacking for dummies
[3:39] <mkopack> that an actual book?
[3:39] <Vitis_Vinifera> oh
[3:40] <Vitis_Vinifera> what about this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Linux-Kernel-Daniel-Bovet/dp/0596005652/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335577042&sr=1-2
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[3:42] <Vitis_Vinifera> wow you can look through most of the book in the preview
[3:45] <mkopack> they start skipping every other page, which makes it tough to really "read"
[3:46] <ReggieUK> There are a few websites about, unfortunately I can't find the links
[3:46] <ReggieUK> but there are some really good resources about building linux for embedded systems, from the ground up, device drivers etc.
[3:46] <Vitis_Vinifera> mkopack: Well yeah, how are they going to persuade you to buy the book if they post a complete preview for free? :P
[3:46] <ReggieUK> there's a c or linux bible that is essentially free
[3:46] <mkopack> I just would like to really get a better understanding of how to do those things. I always feel so lost with Linux and you guys seem to really get it. When you all start talking about kernel mods and parameter changes on the boot system and such, I'm clueless
[3:47] <Vitis_Vinifera> mkopack: It's not that they get it, it's that they give the impression that they get it
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[3:49] <ReggieUK> mkopack, http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
[3:49] <ReggieUK> useful
[3:49] <Vitis_Vinifera> tl;dr
[3:49] <mkopack> cool
[3:50] <mkopack> damn, I need to find something for dinner??? and it's nearly 10pm
[3:50] <Vitis_Vinifera> fish
[3:51] <Vitis_Vinifera> nice bit of haddock with tartar
[3:51] <Vitis_Vinifera> or horseradish
[3:52] <ReggieUK> mkopack, http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/alp-folder/
[3:53] <Vitis_Vinifera> thats not food
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[3:55] <ReggieUK> mkopack, also not food: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[3:56] <mkopack> cool. thanks!
[3:57] <ReggieUK> also, if someone is having a conversation and you're not sure what they're talking about, ASK!
[3:57] <mkopack> lol
[3:57] <Vitis_Vinifera> don't do that
[3:57] <Vitis_Vinifera> it won't end well
[3:57] <Vitis_Vinifera> there are a lot of nasty people here
[3:57] <mkopack> Well, most of the time I don't even feel like I have enough of a foundation background in that stuff to really understand what they're telling me, and I don't want to break up their conversation
[3:58] <Vitis_Vinifera> mkopack: they'll be chatting shit anyway
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[4:36] <a_c_r> @#*($&. stupid headers... 5v & gnd are separated by a pin.
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[4:39] <ossifrage> Is the rpi designed to accept power on the 'expansion header'?
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[4:41] <a_c_r> ossifrage: thats a damn good question
[4:42] <ossifrage> I'm considering using the rpi on a 3d printer controller and I want to supply power from my board.
[4:43] <a_c_r> ossifrage: i do seem to recall a smd fuse from the schematic.
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[4:44] <mkopack> ossifrage: yes, you CAN supply the 5V through the pin on the GPIO, BUT, you need to provide your own voltage protection circuitry as that pin bypasses what's on the RPi board that would normally be in play if powered through the microUSB port
[4:45] <ossifrage> It looks like I can put 3.3V on the expansion header and not use the USB power connector
[4:45] <mkopack> You had ego supply 5V, not 3.3
[4:45] <mkopack> have to
[4:45] <ossifrage> I don't currently have a 5V rail but adding a 5v LDO would be easy
[4:45] <mkopack> at least, that's my understanding from what I've read in the forums
[4:47] <mkopack> she's welcome to be a veggie, that's her choice??? I'm not trying to shove a burger down her throat...
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[4:47] <ossifrage> The BCM2835 seems to have 1v8, 3v3 and 5v0 inputs
[4:48] <mkopack> sorry, wrong window
[4:48] <a_c_r> and 2.5v
[4:49] <a_c_r> (for the DAC)
[4:49] <mkopack> ossifrage: yes, but I believe the situation is as long as you provide it the 5V the circuitry onboard will convert and provide the other rails it needs for the chip.
[4:49] <mkopack> Just like it gets from the mUSB
[4:49] <kwerk> You should put the body in a nylon bag first then weigh that down.
[4:49] <kwerk> Oops wrong window
[4:49] <ossifrage> Yeah, I'll leave the 3v3 expansion pin not connected and feed it 5v
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[4:50] <RBlunderbuss> did Hexxeh ever post those quake3 binaries?
[4:50] <RBlunderbuss> I was afk for awhile
[4:50] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: yes
[4:50] <mkopack> sorry, I didn't notice
[4:51] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r can I get the info?
[4:51] <mkopack> he went AFK about 1.5 hours ago, and haven't seen him since??? Probably went to bed
[4:51] <RBlunderbuss> are they are http://api.sensu.me/data/quake3.zip ?
[4:51] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: his are radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip
[4:52] <a_c_r> maybe that too
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[4:54] <RBlunderbuss> great ty
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[4:57] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r do you happen to know if he posted binaries for OpenTTD?
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[4:59] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: no idea. think it was set up to compile overnight
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[5:08] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r ok thanks - how's gnuradio coming? :)
[5:09] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: no hardware in hand, so its sorta out of sight, out of mind
[5:09] <a_c_r> I'll eventually get around to compiling it on the mac
[5:09] <RBlunderbuss> yeah ok
[5:10] <a_c_r> but it sounds like a lot of prepwork to get the right dependencies.
[5:10] <a_c_r> I did check the mail today... no rtlsdr, but some bills! yea
[5:11] <a_c_r> even that wasn't too bad. one month of electricity for 2 people = $20. seems reasonable
[5:14] <RBlunderbuss> nice@
[5:14] <RBlunderbuss> *!
[5:14] <RBlunderbuss> mine gets insanely high
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[5:19] <RBlunderbuss> in the summer, we get up to $100 a person for electricity
[5:19] <RBlunderbuss> for 3 people, $310 bill
[5:20] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: where?
[5:21] <RBlunderbuss> tucson, az
[5:21] <RBlunderbuss> for the AC mostly
[5:22] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r how do you use these quake3 zips, do you know?
[5:22] <a_c_r> ha. yeah. AZ gets hot. Been to Scottsdale and I'm from Dallas.
[5:22] <a_c_r> yeah. you need the pak files from the original game or the demo first
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[5:23] <a_c_r> get those, put them in ~/.q3a/baseq3
[5:23] <a_c_r> then you may have to chmod 777 /dev/fb0 or run as root
[5:23] <a_c_r> then you pretty much just run ./ioquak3.arm
[5:23] <a_c_r> it'll run with a pretty crappy framerate and no sound
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[5:24] <RBlunderbuss> fb0?
[5:24] <RBlunderbuss> and do we just extract them in our directory, or...?
[5:24] <a_c_r> the binaries? i assume you can pretty much put them wherever you want
[5:24] <a_c_r> /dev/fb0 is the framebuffer device
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[5:25] <RBlunderbuss> I see ok
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[5:40] <a_c_r> I want a cherry pie. Just seemed like the appropriate place to mention this fact.
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[5:42] <RBlunderbuss> heh
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[5:42] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r have you messed with xbmc at all?
[5:43] <a_c_r> just a bit recently with a build someone posted
[5:43] <a_c_r> i got it to play some SD video w/o sound
[5:43] <a_c_r> hd choked
[5:43] <a_c_r> it also sucks power, so had to switch to the Agilent
[5:44] <RBlunderbuss> agilent?
[5:44] <RBlunderbuss> also it gives me a color depth issue...know anything about that?
[5:46] <a_c_r> Agilent E3642A (aka Raspberry Power!) http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?pn=e3642a&cc=US&lc=eng
[5:47] <RBlunderbuss> oh haha
[5:47] <RBlunderbuss> I have a 5V 1A - will that not be enough?
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[5:48] <RBlunderbuss> I have had it experiece some hangups from time to time, but thought that would be enough
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[5:49] <a_c_r> 1a should be plenty
[5:49] <RBlunderbuss> yeah ok
[5:49] <a_c_r> unless you run xbmc and have a lot of power drain on the usb
[5:49] <a_c_r> (like a high power wifi)
[5:50] <a_c_r> no idea on the color depth thing
[5:50] <RBlunderbuss> I use a powered hub since my wifi will not work without it
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[5:51] <a_c_r> yeah... good plan
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[5:53] <RBlunderbuss> I think I need to get a nicer one, though
[5:53] <RBlunderbuss> my cheapo one seems to not quite cut it
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[5:55] <a_c_r> I've used the 5W iPhone charger... that seems to work well enough.
[5:55] <a_c_r> I plug it into the Agilent because it has live voltage/current measurement
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[5:56] <a_c_r> Its overkill by a couple orders of magnitude, but its there, so I use it for everything
[5:57] <RBlunderbuss> I mean a nicer powered hub - I use the 5V 1A galaxy nexus charger on the RPi. Yeah just make sure you don't overload it!
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[6:01] <supersat> ahoy!
[6:05] <supersat> did someone say something about Quake 3? :)
[6:06] <RBlunderbuss> yeah it's out there
[6:06] <RBlunderbuss> radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip
[6:06] <supersat> is the source out there as well? I keep only seeing references to the binaries
[6:08] <RBlunderbuss> ah I'm not sure about that
[6:09] <a_c_r> source is on the ?? github
[6:10] <supersat> AHA
[6:10] <supersat> thanks :)
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[6:13] <RBlunderbuss> oh I knew that, doh
[6:13] <RBlunderbuss> hey check it out http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-7U2ML.html
[6:13] <RBlunderbuss> 4A hub
[6:13] <a_c_r> looks very industrial
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[6:14] <RBlunderbuss> ya
[6:14] <RBlunderbuss> bit too much probably, but I'm trying to figure out which to get
[6:24] <RBlunderbuss> actually that one apparently is sketch, so don't get it anyone
[6:26] <a_c_r> I don't find myself in need of a usb hub very often actually
[6:26] <a_c_r> i have one someone gave me years ago
[6:27] <a_c_r> and I rigged it for external power
[6:27] <a_c_r> its an iogear or something
[6:27] <RBlunderbuss> I just have weird usb issues all the time it seems
[6:28] <RBlunderbuss> I got a wireless keypad thing and it seems to mess up the wireless internet
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[6:40] <a_c_r> RBlunderbuss: that makes sense. they're probably on the same frequency
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[7:03] <curahack> I must agree: http://i.imgur.com/XEoh9.png
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[7:07] <a_c_r> hahaha
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[7:38] <mpthompson> And we reach the quiet part of the night... All good Pians are getting some shuteye.
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[7:38] <tzarc> hmmm, it's 3:40pm, I guess I could have a nap
[7:38] <tzarc> :P
[7:39] <tntexplosivesltd> tzarc: haha that's about when I woke up =)
[7:39] <jzaw> the sun is coming up .... we vampires now retire to our crypts
[7:39] <mpthompson> Yawn.... me too.
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[8:04] <a_c_r> holy awesome, batman
[8:05] <a_c_r> Watching "The Art of Flight" on Raspberry ?? xbmc
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[8:11] <SimonT> is that the snowboard movie?
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[8:17] <Cheery> I just noticed something funny
[8:17] <Cheery> weren't there couple horror movies or stories where the possessed character can turn her head all around?
[8:18] <Cheery> looks like winnie the pooh goes to same category
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[8:27] <a_c_r> SimonT: yes!
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[8:40] <a_c_r> Anyone else experience a "popping" sound with ?? analog audio out?
[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[8:46] <ShiftPlusOne> plenty of popping and hissing
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> has that nice vinyl sound to it
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[8:49] <[deXter]> lol
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[8:54] <LogicGuy> guys
[8:54] <LogicGuy> the FTP UK Debian server is very very slow
[8:54] <LogicGuy> I'm getting 1 KB/s
[8:55] <LogicGuy> can someone confirm ?
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> was fine for me yesterday
[8:55] <LogicGuy> well, it's super slow now
[8:55] <LogicGuy> try apt-get install irssi
[8:55] <LogicGuy> can't hurt
[8:55] <LogicGuy> :D
[8:55] <LogicGuy> you'll see
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> cant, switched to archlinux
[8:56] <LogicGuy> boo
[8:56] <LogicGuy> Arch Linux is super hard to configure
[8:56] <LogicGuy> it's the 21st century
[8:56] <LogicGuy> things must be simple
[8:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[8:56] <LogicGuy> that's why Apple and Macs are so good
[8:56] <LogicGuy> :D
[8:56] <LogicGuy> people like simplicity
[8:56] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[8:57] <LogicGuy> ?
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> o_O
[8:57] <LogicGuy> ~_~
[8:57] <LogicGuy> so we only have 2 people with Raspberry Pies
[8:57] <LogicGuy> :c
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> but sure, people can like what they want, but I find it simpler to access the config in /etc than to hunt where things are hidden in a GUI (if the needed options are even included anywhere other than /etc files)
[8:58] <LogicGuy> I never even started the GUI on Debian Squeeze
[8:59] <LogicGuy> I do everything on the console
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> and nuh, there are many people here with pi's, they're just working/sleeping
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, so the only difference is on arch you need to run pacman -S instead of apt-get install
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and you have excellent documentation from arch and gentoo you can use if you ever need it.
[9:00] <LogicGuy> installing Apache in Arch Linux: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LAMP
[9:00] <LogicGuy> 50 commands
[9:01] <LogicGuy> installing Apache in Debian: apt-get install apache2
[9:01] <LogicGuy> ~_~
[9:01] <LogicGuy> I don't get it
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> that's documentation, not installation steps... it includes info you might need
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> look under 'installation'
[9:02] <LogicGuy> O_o
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> and here http://wiki.debian.org/Apache you have a debian equivilent of that page
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> see all that information that's missing?
[9:03] <LogicGuy> indeed
[9:03] <LogicGuy> ShiftPlusOne: is SSH enabled by default on Arch ?
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[9:04] <LogicGuy> have you mounted a hard drive ?
[9:04] <LogicGuy> is mounting a hard drive automatic ?
[9:04] <LogicGuy> or you need to run commands
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[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> by default? you have to mount things yourself
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[9:05] <LogicGuy> :/
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[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> as in debian as well... and every other distro without a desktop environment I know of.
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[9:21] <a_c_r> &(*&(*& pops.
[9:22] <a_c_r> blazing saddles on ??
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[9:45] <wkl> maybe nginx is better than apache for low memory on RPI.
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[9:51] * lars_t_h is upgradeing his desktop system: xubuntu 11.10 to xubuntu 12.04 - 2253 packages, 1192 MB - development tools eats a lot of space
[9:52] <lars_t_h> wkl, nginx is a very good webserver
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I liked lighttpd as well
[9:57] <lars_t_h> ShiftPlusOne, also very good
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Is anyone actually using apache, does it eat up that much resources on pi?
[9:59] <lars_t_h> I would not dare to use apache on the pi - it is simply the wrong match with the hardware
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[10:02] <LogicGuy> I use nginx
[10:04] <lars_t_h> LogicGuy, i guess i works fine, if it does not have too many requests/s, true?
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[10:08] <Crenn-NAS> Am I in the right place? I'm looking for recipes to make raspberry pis
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[10:11] <Crenn-NAS> Awesome
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> damn... cookingforengineers doesn't have a raspberry pie recipe
[10:12] <Crenn-NAS> ShiftPlusOne: That is a fault that needs to be flagged!
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[10:13] <Crenn-NAS> So what is everyone's due dates?
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> tuesday
[10:14] <Crenn-NAS> Damn... Mine is the week of May 29th :(
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
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[10:18] <lars_t_h> Crenn-NAS, hi - no due date to me, i'm in RS' queue, but i got an email from RS yesterday that said they had delviered email to everyone in the queue from 06:00 to 06:01 - 600 Pis
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[10:19] <lars_t_h> i registered for interest at 08:30, so that will take some time i guess
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[10:47] <Crenn-NAS> lars_t_h: I ordered on 1st March xD
[10:48] <Crenn-NAS> I'm in the AU element 14 queue
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[11:10] <kwerk> Hmm
[11:11] <lars_t_h> brb, upgrade to new version of xubuntu desktop ...
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[11:18] <LogicGuy> guys
[11:18] <LogicGuy> do you know how to reduce GPU memory size
[11:19] <LogicGuy> to like 8 MB
[11:19] <LogicGuy> :D
[11:19] <LogicGuy> I don't use GUI
[11:19] <Crenn-NAS> 8MB isn't much
[11:20] <LogicGuy> well, I don't use GUI
[11:20] <LogicGuy> only SSH
[11:20] <Crenn-NAS> And I believe there is a file you rename on the GUI
[11:20] <Crenn-NAS> SD Card
[11:21] <Crenn-NAS> brb, need more drink
[11:21] <LogicGuy> hmmm
[11:21] <Crenn-NAS> And by drink, I mean Creaming Soda
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[11:21] <LogicGuy> oooh
[11:21] <LogicGuy> I see it
[11:22] <LogicGuy> it's in the /boot
[11:22] <LogicGuy> folder
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[11:23] <LogicGuy> hope I don't break anything
[11:23] <LogicGuy> ^.^
[11:23] <LogicGuy> shutdown -r now
[11:23] <Crenn-NAS> LogicGuy: What's the worse that could happen?
[11:23] <LogicGuy> kill my GPU ?
[11:23] <LogicGuy> :D
[11:24] <LogicGuy> YES
[11:24] <LogicGuy> worked
[11:24] <LogicGuy> total used free shared buffers cached
[11:24] <LogicGuy> Mem: 217 30 186 0 5 14
[11:24] <LogicGuy> pretty good
[11:24] <LogicGuy> 186 MB free
[11:24] <LogicGuy> :D
[11:25] <LogicGuy> love my pi <3
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[11:33] <Crenn-NAS> LogicGuy: I'll love my pi.... when I get it
[11:33] <Crenn-NAS> I'm going to love it so hard, I'll need another 5 (web server, mini cluster for 'other uses' and 2 to tinker with)
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[11:42] <LogicGuy> :)
[11:42] <LogicGuy> hehe
[11:42] <LogicGuy> why mini cluster ?
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[11:47] <haltdef> testing I'd imagine
[11:50] <PiKeY> how do i enable ssh on rpi with debian image that has it disabled by default, i logged in at mo but would like to enable ssh by default (without pulling sd card) plz
[11:50] <haltdef> update-rc.d
[11:51] <PiKeY> just that cmd in bash?
[11:51] <haltdef> not on its own, that's how you modify what services start on boot though
[11:52] <PiKeY> kk thx, i will search on that cmd
[11:52] <Crenn-NAS> LogicGuy: Because 1 isn't enough for Video Processing
[11:52] <haltdef> you're seriously going to use multiple pis for processing?
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> Main 'blade' splits frames between the processing 'blades'
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> haltdef: Considering the application, yes
[11:54] <haltdef> you don't think a single x86 machine would far outperform multiple pis at the same pricepoint?
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[11:55] <vork> [10:51] <Crenn-NAS> Main 'blade' splits frames between the processing 'blades'
[11:55] <vork> And you can have another one controlling and running all the others.
[11:55] <vork> You could call that one the ... blade runner :)
[11:55] <Crenn-NAS> vork: No no, that's the Auto-pilot blade ;P
[11:56] <Hydrazine> hehe
[11:57] <Crenn-NAS> haltdef: No argument, but in the same power consumption...
[11:58] <haltdef> how many do you think you'll need to compete with one dual core atom netbook?
[11:58] <vork> If you could do it on the GPU, then very probably, but otherwise I'm not convinced.
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[12:01] <Crenn-NAS> vork: My hope is I can use the GPU to assist with the processing
[12:01] <Crenn-NAS> haltdef: Not wanting to compete with a dual core atom netbook
[12:02] <haltdef> it's about the best you can hope to compete with tbh
[12:02] <Crenn-NAS> There is other reasons for why I'm using RPis over laptops in this case, mainly io
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[12:03] <haltdef> explain
[12:04] <Crenn-NAS> I'm looking at pairing each RPi with a daughterboard of my own design with a STM32F103 microcontroller to give RTC functionality, additional IO (not that the design actually needs it), power regulation and importantly, CAN bus
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[12:05] <Crenn-NAS> There is also the weight that needs to be considered as it's posibly going into a small scale UAV
[12:06] <vork> All those pis will be quite heavy!
[12:06] <Crenn-NAS> vork: I think I can trim it a little ;D
[12:07] <Crenn-NAS> Mainly desoldering the headers I don't need, providing they're not SMD
[12:09] <Crenn-NAS> vork: That and I'm only looking at 3 Pis
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[12:14] <LogicGuy> OMG
[12:14] <LogicGuy> successfully installed PHP5 + Apache
[12:14] <LogicGuy> I feel so proud :D
[12:14] <LogicGuy> and the test.php works
[12:14] <Crenn-NAS> Not nginx?
[12:15] <LogicGuy> well, I'm more used to Apache
[12:15] <LogicGuy> on my previous virtualized servers
[12:15] <haltdef> nginx ftw
[12:15] <LogicGuy> and you need to spawn a 9000 port cgi thingy
[12:15] <LogicGuy> with nginx
[12:15] <LogicGuy> it's pretty sad that it's not native
[12:16] <haltdef> you don't need to use a tcp port
[12:16] <vork> Not lighttpd?
[12:16] <vork> I found the Apache httpd to be a memory hog.
[12:17] <LogicGuy> it's using 1.4 % of my memory
[12:17] <LogicGuy> 1658 http 20 0 22620 3024 868 S 0.0 1.4 0:00.00 httpd
[12:18] <vork> On a raspberry pi? Not bad.
[12:18] <vork> Maybe mine was, uh, badly configured :)
[12:20] <LogicGuy> 22 MB
[12:20] <LogicGuy> still pretty large
[12:20] <LogicGuy> :D
[12:20] <LogicGuy> total kB 22616
[12:20] <vork> Uh, that's not a raspberry pi, is it? :P
[12:20] <LogicGuy> it is
[12:20] <LogicGuy> i don't know why it's showing 1.4 %
[12:20] <LogicGuy> hmm
[12:20] <LogicGuy> maybe it's taking into consideration the swap
[12:20] <vork> 22M / 1.4% = 1.57G
[12:21] <LogicGuy> which is around 200 M
[12:21] <LogicGuy> [root@alarmpi http]# uname -a
[12:21] <LogicGuy> Linux alarmpi 3.1.9-12+ #5 Sat Apr 28 04:49:38 UTC 2012 armv6l ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
[12:21] <LogicGuy> u jelly ?
[12:21] <LogicGuy> why doubt that i'm using a pi
[12:21] <LogicGuy> :D
[12:22] <vork> LogicGuy: Because 22M is 1.4% of 1.57G, and the pi doesn't have 1.57G.
[12:22] <vork> So that's strange.
[12:22] <vork> [11:20] <LogicGuy> u jelly ?
[12:22] <vork> yeah :)
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[12:23] <LogicGuy> i was using the "top" command
[12:23] <LogicGuy> which is pretty bad
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[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone here use sbrsh? I can't even find it
[12:30] <LogicGuy> Debian or Arch Linux ?
[12:31] <LogicGuy> vork: http://i.imgur.com/FbLSA.jpg
[12:31] <LogicGuy> still not believe me, brah
[12:31] <LogicGuy> :P
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> photoshopped... you can see the pixels
[12:32] <ShiftPlusOne> whatever that means
[12:32] <LogicGuy> LOL
[12:32] <LogicGuy> you even have a shadow
[12:32] <vork> LogicGuy: No, I believe you, it's that I find top's reporting strange.
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[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> nice blanket/snuggie/whatever the hell that is though
[12:35] <vork> It's a computer science blanket! :)
[12:36] <vork> It's a pity there are edges between vertices of the same colour though.
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[12:36] <LogicGuy> haha
[12:36] <LogicGuy> yes I like my blanket a lot
[12:37] <Jen> :D
[12:38] <Jen> Blankets? Pfft. You can only be a real hoopy frood if you know where your _towel_ is :P
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Took me a while to get that one...
[12:39] * ShiftPlusOne is ashamed =(
[12:40] <LogicGuy> heheh
[12:40] <Jen> No pan galactic gargle blasters for you, matey! *takes it back*
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[12:47] <TopherBrink> i think i might punch debian in the face
[12:47] <TopherBrink> stupid quake 3 run damn you
[12:49] <vork> Go back to Gentoo then.
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I think he's talking about pi
[12:49] <TopherBrink> its not as if ./start.sh isnt a thing but nooo, permission denied
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> chmod +x start.sh
[12:49] <TopherBrink> pi debian ftl
[12:50] <TopherBrink> i swear these things are just done to be obtuse for the sake of being "hardcore"
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> what things?
[12:51] <TopherBrink> ioquake3.arm command not found.
[12:51] <TopherBrink> ./PUNCH
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[12:51] <vork> PUNCH: command not found
[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> you're doing it wrong
[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[12:52] <TopherBrink> oh of course, i'm typing ./start.sh wrong...
[12:52] <TopherBrink> OBTUSE.
[12:52] <Jen> We'll let you off?. THIS TIME :P
[12:52] <Jen> muhahahahaha
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well if you need any help, just ask
[12:52] <TopherBrink> ./start.sh
[12:53] <TopherBrink> ioquake3.arm command not found.
[12:53] <TopherBrink> blah blah linuxy blah
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, the reason this isn't wroking is the same reason it wouldn't work under windows... it's a script running a command which isn't in PATH
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> crappy scripts? sure. crappy linux? nope.
[12:54] <TopherBrink> linux is crappy. there is no argument against that.
[12:54] <TopherBrink> however it is all there is so we make do
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> you watch your mouth!
[12:54] <TopherBrink> truth hurts
[12:54] <vork> Windows is crappier. There is no argument against that.
[12:54] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[12:55] <TopherBrink> linux is the argument against that
[12:55] <haltdef> trolls
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[12:55] <vork> Don't confuse nubbing up with a bad OS.
[12:55] * Jen coughs "Linux is just a kernel"
[12:56] <Jen> :D
[12:56] <TopherBrink> i dont. i confused a bad OS distro as if it wasn't one.
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, linux is linux. All distros work the same.
[12:56] <TopherBrink> sadly more or less.
[12:57] <TopherBrink> take a rotten core and slap a gui on it. worked for osx i guess.
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, some people aren't interested in what's going underneath the GUI
[12:57] <TopherBrink> then it isnt an OS.
[12:58] <vork> I find desktop environments much less likeable than the GNU/Linux underneath.
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> sure
[12:58] <TopherBrink> its a hobbyist toy with optional gui
[12:58] <TopherBrink> as it has been for a good decade or so now
[12:59] <TopherBrink> which is why its staying in its little rut
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[13:00] <TopherBrink> now lets have a look at the framerate..
[13:00] <Dagger2> its little rut being practically everywhere except your desktop, but hey, let's just ignore that
[13:00] <TopherBrink> the desktop is where 99% of people live.
[13:00] <TopherBrink> screw them i guess. oh wait... no.
[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, don't feed the troll
[13:01] <TopherBrink> oh noes the troll line
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, so you're serious then?
[13:01] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: why aren't we just banning the trolls?
[13:02] <TopherBrink> i'm serious that it sucks as an OS, as defined just then sure
[13:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, because some people just appear to be trolls and there are no rules against them.
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, and banning someone for not liking linux is a bit of a douche move in my opinion.
[13:03] <haltdef> you're an op and this isn't a democracy, you can do whatever you like I think you'll find
[13:03] <ShiftPlusOne> so I'll wait for IT_Se.... no that's not very nice
[13:03] <haltdef> you could ban me for saying that right there
[13:03] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: well, consider this a request for there to be. it doesn't really matter if someone's a troll or if they just appear to be; they're equally irritating either way
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[13:04] <vork> Dagger2: That's what /ignore is for.
[13:04] <Dagger2> vork: if only I could affect everybody else's ignore lists, so I don't have to put up with half conversations
[13:04] <TopherBrink> i dont like the underlying core because it is obtuse to the point of driving people away. that is fairly undeniable. slap a gui on it and eh... maybe some day.
[13:05] <haltdef> linux on the desktop will never be popular tbh
[13:05] <haltdef> it's everywhere else though
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[13:05] <vork> I find Linux to be a bit crap at real-time stuff.
[13:05] <haltdef> phones, set top boxes .. not just the phones and set top boxes of geeks either
[13:05] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, who cares if it's driving people away? It's not a common denominator OS. It has specific appeal and a specific market. Nobody is forcing it on you.
[13:05] <vork> Well, stock Linux, anyway.
[13:05] <TopherBrink> embedded windows is most places over here that i see now
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[13:06] <TopherBrink> ATMs, cash registers, etc
[13:06] <vork> Bugs ahoy :(
[13:06] <vork> TopherBrink: What's "obtuse" about the underlying core?
[13:06] <gatsoahead> a bluescreened cash register is always funny
[13:06] <TopherBrink> only if you dont debug. just like linux.
[13:06] <nivi> ??\(??_o)/?? Steam is confirmed for linux now
[13:06] <vork> Which "underlying core" are you referring to, for a start?
[13:06] <nivi> that might make a good convincing
[13:06] <nivi> convincer*
[13:06] <gatsoahead> nivi: Source?
[13:07] <nivi> also source, yes
[13:07] <haltdef> lol
[13:07] <haltdef> I see what you did there
[13:07] <gatsoahead> nivi: no, source, as in link?
[13:07] <nivi> oh
[13:07] <nivi> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steam+linux&hl=en&prmd=imvnsufd&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Ks-bT4miMMfk8QOh79n4Dg&ved=0CFcQqAIoADAC
[13:08] <LogicGuy> guys, stop thinking that you'll run Steam on the pi
[13:08] <TopherBrink> steam. drm with good marketing.
[13:08] <gatsoahead> Uhh...
[13:08] <LogicGuy> the CPU is going 100 % when you simply browse the internet
[13:08] <gatsoahead> Your source is a google search?
[13:08] <LogicGuy> it's not that powerful as you think
[13:08] <LogicGuy> you'll be dissapointed
[13:08] <gatsoahead> nivi: Press release from valve or gtfo
[13:09] <nivi> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln this is as close as i can get
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> well this channel is just going downhill. Why did they leave me to moderate!? heh
[13:09] <TopherBrink> ah q3dm17 i do love you
[13:09] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: Downhill? Really? This conversation seems to be quite civil compared to most.
[13:10] <gatsoahead> nivi: That's not official at all.
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[13:10] <nivi> gatsoahead: i'm awar
[13:10] <nivi> e
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> gatsoahead, yeah I know, it's not that bad.
[13:10] <gatsoahead> nivi: Although they'll probably use linux for their console project.
[13:10] <nivi> and i'm also aware that phoronix has been wrong in the past
[13:11] <nivi> but a lot of people are reporting confirmation
[13:11] <gatsoahead> What the hell is reporting confirmation?
[13:11] <gatsoahead> They have proof?
[13:11] <nivi> it's all from the phoronix thing
[13:11] <gatsoahead> If so.. then show it?
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> gatsoahead, I don't think he's claiming it as absolute fact. Nothing wrong with speculating.
[13:12] <nivi> to be fair
[13:12] <nivi> i opened with the word 'confirmed'
[13:12] <nivi> and i probably shouldn't have
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[13:13] <nivi> but this phoronix thing looks p legit
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[13:14] <gatsoahead> The author is a bit fishy.
[13:14] <gatsoahead> Says on his website that he's a free software advocate.
[13:14] <gatsoahead> I don't trust those types.
[13:14] <nivi> heh
[13:15] <nivi> i suspect their chief motivation if this is happening is to sever ties from microsoft for any hardware ambitions they mey have
[13:15] <nivi> but the humble bundle has proven that loonicks games will sell
[13:15] <nivi> communists, etc.
[13:16] <Jen> gatsoahead: why's that?
[13:16] <nivi> gatsoahead: there's a tiny tiny bit of doubt in my mind that that wasn't a clumsy troll
[13:16] <gatsoahead> nivi: Valve wants to expand steam to the sofa, and of course microsoft is going to set up barricades so it's much easier in the longrun for them to just create their own console.
[13:16] <nivi> and it's bothering me
[13:16] <philh> a free software advocate getting excited about steam seems odd to me
[13:17] <nivi> philh: why?
[13:17] <nivi> you don't have to be RMS to be a free software advocate
[13:17] <gatsoahead> steam is the only form of drm that I've fallen in love with.
[13:17] <philh> steam is a system of friendly lovable drm from the totally awsum valve
[13:17] <nivi> i consider myself a free software advocate and i have like two hundred games in my steam library and i run OS X most of the time
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> apart from publishers which add another 2 levels of DRM on top...*cough*ubisoft,bioware/ea
[13:18] <nivi> steam for linux excites me endlessly
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[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> nivi, there's always desura... though it's very alpha-ey and meh-ish.
[13:18] <nivi> yeah
[13:18] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah that is so frustrating.. They don't have to make it a steamworks game, they just have to let steam be the DRM.. We don't need GFWL too
[13:18] <nivi> and there is no publisher support
[13:18] <TopherBrink> what has valve done that was so great besides half life? bought a load of mods and concepts.
[13:19] <nivi> topherbrink: portal's damn good, but that's not the point
[13:19] <nivi> source engine games run fine under wine anyway
[13:19] <TopherBrink> their episodic content model didnt exactly work
[13:19] <nivi> the point is that if they port steam, other devs will follow
[13:19] <philh> the thing is that i don't see the need for a downloader anyway, so desura isn't any more interesting to me, what's wrong with downloading games from websites?
[13:19] <nivi> it happened with osx
[13:19] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: desura used to be all about mods, and just naturally expanded to a store aswell
[13:19] <nivi> philh: gog.com woooo
[13:19] <gatsoahead> philh: Automatic updates.
[13:19] <nivi> also that
[13:20] <nivi> also centralisation and consolidation
[13:20] <philh> gatsoahead, an optional updated for that kind of functionality would be fine
[13:20] <nivi> two-button installs
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> gog.com? yes! though damn, those cheap games add up to a lot after a while
[13:20] <gatsoahead> I remember playing cs 1.5 back in the day on the WON network.. Updating was such a pain in the ass.
[13:20] <philh> updater*
[13:21] <philh> nivi, it's the lack of the option to just download the game that irks me, not the convenience of the two-click system for those who like it
[13:21] <nivi> yeah, me too
[13:21] <nivi> but it's successful and i don't see it going away any time soon
[13:21] <nivi> plus, it's just video games --- were it production software of some kind, i'd be way more concerned
[13:22] <gatsoahead> yeah but you're not paying for the game, you're paying for a license to play it within steam
[13:22] <TopherBrink> lets see... team fortress. no that was a mod... cs? no, that too... portal? narb' drop. L4D? mod... er... dota2
[13:22] <ShiftPlusOne> steam is somewhat hackable, so you can always detach your games from steam if a day comes when steam goes offline
[13:22] <philh> nope, far too many people have invested a great deal in their steam libraries for it to be allowed to go away
[13:22] <philh> there'd be chaos
[13:22] <nivi> topherbrink: again, valve's games are not the point
[13:22] <TopherBrink> shouldnt they be, for a game company
[13:22] <nivi> they already run under wine fune
[13:22] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: steam's offline mod is so buggy.
[13:22] <gatsoahead> *mode
[13:22] <nivi> valve's money and influence is in steam
[13:22] <TopherBrink> indeed
[13:22] <nivi> and if they bring steam to linux, other developers will follow
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[13:23] <gatsoahead> valve have said that if they ever go under they'll allow a way to play your steam games without the distribution network
[13:23] <nivi> companies say a lot of things
[13:23] <TopherBrink> gabe just needs more money for pies
[13:23] <gatsoahead> nivi: Meh
[13:23] <nivi> and i find that particular promise encouraging but i don't expect them to be able to stick by it
[13:24] <flaushy> let's hope for the best
[13:24] <gatsoahead> It's not financially rewarding enough for them to port them to linux
[13:24] <TopherBrink> pirates do it with every new steam release, valve wont have a problem there
[13:24] <TopherBrink> copy -> paste.
[13:24] <gatsoahead> It used to be the same case with mac, but macs are everywhere now so it's worth it to them to port games.
[13:24] <nivi> gatsoahead: look at the HIB stats
[13:24] <TopherBrink> OSX not mac
[13:25] <TopherBrink> a mac is now just another generibrand pc with some shiny casing and osx
[13:25] <nivi> and the number of people whose sole reason for sticking to windows is video games, gatsoahead
[13:25] <gatsoahead> nivi: So? Of course linux users are going to jump on that. Windows users are going to be less interested because they already have so much choice
[13:25] <philh> gatsoahead, a lot of the multiplayer stuff may be rendered unusable, and steamworks functionality, unless they're going to go under while paying for someone to keep running all the services
[13:26] <nivi> gatsoahead: also; 1% of the PC games market is still a whole lot of market
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[13:26] <nivi> and valve have nothing to lose by being there
[13:26] <gatsoahead> philh: A patch to allow 3rd party master servers?
[13:26] <RBlunderbuss> morning all
[13:26] <nivi> gatsoahead: from a bankrupt company? who's going to make it?
[13:26] <RBlunderbuss> very early morning in my part of the world anyway
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, 'morning
[13:27] <Hydrazine> morning
[13:27] <RBlunderbuss> 4:26 in the morning! haha
[13:27] <Hydrazine> ouch
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> 9:26PM in the morning here.
[13:28] <RBlunderbuss> gotta get up early today to serve food across the border
[13:28] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOn PM in the morning?
[13:28] <gatsoahead> 12:27 here
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, yeah, it's that kind of morning.
[13:28] <RBlunderbuss> ah, haha
[13:30] <Hydrazine> hehe
[13:30] <RBlunderbuss> did Hexxeh ever post his OpenTTD binaries yet?
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> can't imagine OpenTTD being that hard to build
[13:31] <Hydrazine> iirc he's building it on his Pi, so it might take a while
[13:32] <gatsoahead> he got put off by the fact that openttds sucks
[13:32] <Jen> :O
[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus bloody christ... so much blasphemy today.
[13:33] <Jen> blasphemy!
[13:33] <RBlunderbuss> haha
[13:33] * Jen bears down on gatsoahead with the full weight of TT-Forums :P
[13:33] * danieldaniel walks away slowlu
[13:33] <danieldaniel> s/slowlu/slowly*
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[13:33] <RBlunderbuss> I've never actually played it, but I'm down
[13:33] <RBlunderbuss> I still want an SNES emulator
[13:33] <RBlunderbuss> and chrono trigger
[13:33] <RBlunderbuss> and zelda
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> and a pony?
[13:34] <RBlunderbuss> ehhh
[13:34] <RBlunderbuss> only if it's magic
[13:34] * Hydrazine wants a pony
[13:34] <gatsoahead> it will poo all over your living room
[13:35] <Jen> gatsoahead: thanks for bringing that up! now you're in charge of cleanup ;) :P
[13:35] <gatsoahead> I think I'll watch fringe instead
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[13:36] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne, RBlunderbuss: it ran out of memory when i left it building overnight
[13:36] <danieldaniel> Hexxeh: Lolpwnt
[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, what's wrong with cross-compiling?
[13:36] <Hexxeh> nothing, just wanted to try compiling on the device
[13:37] <RBlunderbuss> aw, doh
[13:37] <Hexxeh> i knew how long compiling openttd took on my machine, wanted to see how long it took on a pi as a reference
[13:39] <tntexplosivesltd> can someone tell my why Americans say poop?
[13:39] <tntexplosivesltd> it sounds so.... juvenile
[13:39] <gatsoahead> Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a breadboard computer that was completely expandable.. need more ram, buy an expansion pack, need ethernet.. expansion pack
[13:40] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: nobody said poop
[13:40] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: wasn't related to prior statements
[13:40] <RBlunderbuss> tntexplosives fecal matter is too scientific for most, and crap and shit are considered bad words
[13:40] <RBlunderbuss> so what else to say?
[13:40] <gatsoahead> everybody poops
[13:40] <tntexplosivesltd> poo
[13:40] <vork> RBlunderbuss: pooh
[13:40] <RBlunderbuss> night soil?
[13:40] <tntexplosivesltd> like normal people
[13:40] <RBlunderbuss> :P
[13:40] <RBlunderbuss> poo, hrm - that's just now how we're raised I guess
[13:40] <vork> Actually IIRC "pooh" refers to the bear.
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[13:41] <RBlunderbuss> yeah there's a winnie the pooh
[13:41] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: regional differences, just like an american would say ma or mom
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, yeah... it's not very practical to compile on the pi. I tried compiling the kernel, but it was taking waaaaaayyyyy too long.
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> you are all peord
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> * weird
[13:41] <gatsoahead> when we all know you're supposed to say mum
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> how did that happem
[13:41] <tntexplosivesltd> * happen
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[13:41] <RBlunderbuss> it must be like aluminum
[13:42] <RBlunderbuss> typos back in the day
[13:42] <tntexplosivesltd> and pwned
[13:42] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: Did you know that the british used to talk with an american accent?
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[13:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and why are people talking about poo?
[13:42] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: was the other way around
[13:42] <tntexplosivesltd> when they were one in the same
[13:42] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: The other war around? No?
[13:43] <tntexplosivesltd> so really, america isn't the centre of the universe =)
[13:43] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: Everyone used to talk with an american accent, then the americans ran off to america and we british changed our accent to hide the shame of creating the americans
[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, BLASPH... no wait, thats' right.
[13:44] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: and we evolved our accent from yours
[13:44] <tntexplosivesltd> because we don't like americans
[13:44] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[13:44] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: who is we and who is yours?
[13:44] <tntexplosivesltd> nz
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[13:44] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: Go be a hobbit extra
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, NZ? I don't think you get to make fun of any accents here.
[13:45] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: I hear that the women in nz are the sluttiest
[13:45] <Hexxeh> restarted with the 224MB memory split compile carrying on where it left off, win
[13:45] <RBlunderbuss> hexxeh, nice
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> though there's flight of the conchords, so you can do whatever the hell you'd like.
[13:46] <Hydrazine> nice
[13:46] <gatsoahead> openttd sucks
[13:46] <RBlunderbuss> alright time to go serve some food - bbl, and hopefully get to check out some binaries then I do!
[13:46] <gatsoahead> compile themehospital instead
[13:46] <Hexxeh> also it's not as easy as it sounds to get it working
[13:46] <Hexxeh> i'll need to write an audio driver to get sound out of it
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> there is a theme hospital port by the way
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[13:46] <Hexxeh> since it only supports alsa at present
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[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> corsix-th I think it's called
[13:46] <ShiftPlusOne> http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/
[13:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: ours is the most neurtal accent
[13:47] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[13:47] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[13:47] <tntexplosivesltd> and truest to proper english
[13:47] <tntexplosivesltd> not this british crap
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[13:47] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: you are 2nd best at shagging sheep
[13:47] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: flogging a dead horse =)
[13:48] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: beating
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I like that we have more NZ people... I am no longer the target of sheep shagging jokes =)
[13:48] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: I have never even so much as touched a sheep in my life
[13:48] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: where are you from?
[13:48] <ShiftPlusOne> a lot of places
[13:48] <tntexplosivesltd> at the same time
[13:48] <urs> from THE INTERNET
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> (but Australia, mostly)
[13:49] <gatsoahead> australians don't have anything to do with shagging sheep
[13:49] <tntexplosivesltd> ooooooooh yes they do
[13:49] <gatsoahead> the welsh are the true sheep shaggers
[13:49] <ShiftPlusOne> gatsoahead, tell ukscone that!
[13:49] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[13:49] <Jen> and the welsh would say the scots, who'd say the english, who'd say the welsh, and so on
[13:49] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: lol the breakers
[13:50] <gatsoahead> Jen: Nah, it's just the welsh
[13:50] <tntexplosivesltd> >>>
[13:50] <tntexplosivesltd> * >.>
[13:50] <tntexplosivesltd> back to back
[13:50] <gatsoahead> Jen: You wouldn't dare call a true scotsman a sheep shagger
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[13:50] <tntexplosivesltd> so where's everyone else here from?
[13:50] <gatsoahead> welsh and new zealanders, they're the only sheep shaggers
[13:51] <Jen> gatsoahead: how do you know I'm not one?
[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> you keep telling yourself that
[13:51] <gatsoahead> or is it maori
[13:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Jen, I don't think a 'true welshman' would go by the name 'Jen'
[13:51] <gatsoahead> Jen: you're a scottish sheep shagger?
[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: no, they steal everything
[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> them maori >.>
[13:51] <ShiftPlusOne> *scotsman
[13:51] <ShiftPlusOne> my bad
[13:51] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: racist fuck
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[13:51] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: nah, it's normal
[13:52] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: no, it's racist
[13:52] <tntexplosivesltd> most admit to it themselves =)
[13:52] <Jen> I'm not Welsh, goodness no, and certainly not a man, but otherwise my origins remain secretive and mysterious :P
[13:52] <gatsoahead> ShiftPlusOne: ban tntexplosivesltd for he is being a racist fuck
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Jen, border-line racist guess is that you're Asian.
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> gatsoahead, yeah, but you're swearing.
[13:52] <Jen> Far from borderline - and no, I'm Caucasian.
[13:53] <gatsoahead> swearing isn't illegal
[13:53] <gatsoahead> racism is
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Jen, damn
[13:53] <gatsoahead> case and point
[13:53] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: but that's fine, tell me I'm being racist to a people you've never met before, who I have had direct interaction with =)
[13:53] * Jen shifts ShiftPlusOne to the wrong side of the racism door, and closes it behind them
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, ok
[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> gatsoahead, pg13 channel and all that.
[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, but yeah, a bit too far.
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[13:54] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: you're being racist
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[13:54] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, wasn't planning on going further
[13:54] <nivi> gatsoahead: neither racism nor swearing are illegal
[13:54] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: remember that dead horse I was talking about earlier =)
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[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, let's all hug it out and move on, lol
[13:55] <nivi> but both are bannable offences in this channel, as i understand it
[13:55] <gatsoahead> nivi: Where do you live? Racism is illegal here.
[13:55] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: and remember saying I have sexual relations with sheep?
[13:55] <nivi> no, predjudice and incitement are illegal
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> tha's not hugging it out.... that's not hugging it out at all
[13:55] <nivi> racism, the state of mind, is not illegal
[13:55] <nivi> you can think what you like
[13:55] <gatsoahead> THOUGHT CRIME!
[13:56] <nivi> !!!
[13:56] <gatsoahead> I'm going to tell on you
[13:56] <nivi> :< :< ( ???? _ ??`)
[13:56] <gatsoahead> moonface?
[13:56] <nivi> ??\(??_o)/??
[13:57] <gatsoahead> you need to lay off those steroids
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't even think prejudice is illegal... discrimination on the other hand, yeah.
[13:57] <nivi> accurate
[13:57] <nivi> that is what i should have said
[13:58] <tntexplosivesltd> i like that me saying maori people steal is racism, but gatsoahead calling me a sheepshagger isn't =)
[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and my bad for making assumptions as well
[13:58] <tntexplosivesltd> well, that got out of hand fast
[13:58] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: that is the case
[13:59] <nivi> tntexplosivesltd: it's totally racism, it's just accepted as jocular
[13:59] <tntexplosivesltd> as was my dig at maori =)
[13:59] <tntexplosivesltd> regional thing
[13:59] <gatsoahead> nivi: One is a geographical location, one is a race.
[13:59] <nivi> bleh
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> race IS geographical
[13:59] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: how are NZ people not a race
[13:59] <tntexplosivesltd> we're totally different
[13:59] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: They're not.
[14:00] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: define race then
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> spoiler: this conversation is pointless, because the term 'race' is not well defined, and is meaningless.
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[14:00] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: my point exactly =)
[14:00] <gatsoahead> Race means people who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock.
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ... humans then.
[14:01] <nivi> oh, you mean the entire population of the planet
[14:01] <nivi> humans or otherwise
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> or you know... all life.
[14:01] <tntexplosivesltd> lolol
[14:01] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: just stop talking
[14:01] <nivi> i am pretty sure pedantry is a competition
[14:02] <philh> aren't NZs just overflow from the land of the convicts who've developed a taste for sheep?
[14:02] <tntexplosivesltd> not at all
[14:02] <tntexplosivesltd> we mainly came from the UK
[14:02] <tntexplosivesltd> and sheep is nice =)
[14:02] <tntexplosivesltd> except it's called lamb
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[14:03] <gatsoahead> make sure to wear protection otherwise you'll get ringworm on your penis
[14:03] <tntexplosivesltd> you probably get NZ lamb where you live
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[14:04] <tntexplosivesltd> philh: but a lot again are probably from aus
[14:04] <tntexplosivesltd> but hey, being a convict's badass
[14:04] <philh> i thought they were mostly british convicts anyway
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> so ahm... how about that raspberry pi, ey?
[14:04] <zleap> to me new zealand is a different country and therefore culture
[14:05] <Hydrazine> I think I got the spi driver from rew working
[14:05] <TopherBrink> oh the raspberry pi. heard of that. some sort of mind blowing quake 3 lan machine as i recall
[14:06] <philh> TopherBrink, not only that, it's a powerful and easy to use mediacentre pc too
[14:06] <TopherBrink> of course
[14:06] <Hydrazine> -_-
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[14:06] <TopherBrink> stream 1080p while fragging
[14:07] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[14:07] <tntexplosivesltd> and wile compiling the linux kernel in two minutes
[14:07] <philh> was talking to some people about raspi a few months before release, these guys should have been fairly knowledgeable, but were talking about running old windows FPSs on it...
[14:07] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[14:08] <tntexplosivesltd> as long as it's openGL
[14:08] <tntexplosivesltd> and they have the source
[14:08] <tntexplosivesltd> so they can compile it
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[14:08] <TopherBrink> i come from having once used the Efika... I had an idea what to expect, and it's far better than that thing ever was.
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[14:08] <philh> efika?
[14:08] <tntexplosivesltd> I prefer the z2
[14:08] <tntexplosivesltd> has a screen =D
[14:09] <TopherBrink> Efika... think PPC pi and you're not far off
[14:09] <TopherBrink> but much less useable
[14:09] <TopherBrink> http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika/5200b
[14:10] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty cool
[14:10] <philh> sounds quite neat
[14:10] <TopherBrink> it was 3-4 years ago
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[14:10] <Matt> morning
[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> evening
[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> onowait it's the morning now
[14:11] <thms> hi
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[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> goddamn, waking up at 4pm is a bad idea
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[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne-Pi> finally... get to go to #raspberrypi from an actual raspberry pi =D
[14:12] <TopherBrink> mmm pi
[14:12] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: irssi?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne-Pi> xchat
[14:12] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh, interesting
[14:12] <tntexplosivesltd> how well does it work?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne-Pi> using VNC, so could be better
[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> why VNC?
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[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> just to see if it goes
[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne-Pi> you're right, I can just do X forwarding
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne-Pi> but yeah, I don't have an hdmi monitor or an rca cable
[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[14:13] <philh> xchat should be fine on a pi, i would think
[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> ssh + irssi =D
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[14:14] <LogicGuy> lol
[14:14] <Hydrazine> I think irssi or weechat would be the easiest
[14:14] <LogicGuy> irssi is the best
[14:14] <Hydrazine> and screen+ssh
[14:14] <LogicGuy> screen irssi
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[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> or dtach
[14:14] <LogicGuy> screen -d [process name]
[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> if you want only detachability
[14:14] <LogicGuy> same thing
[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> well, screen can do more =P
[14:14] <LogicGuy> Ctrl+A+D
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[14:14] <LogicGuy> detaches it
[14:14] <LogicGuy> :)
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne_pi> x forwarding now... much nicer
[14:15] <tntexplosivesltd> so can tmux
[14:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ctrl+b, d
[14:15] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[14:15] <tntexplosivesltd> detaching is so useful
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[14:15] <LogicGuy> hehe, i'm running Apache with a symbolic link to my external HD
[14:15] <LogicGuy> I get 8 MB/s read speeds currently
[14:16] <LogicGuy> not bad
[14:16] <LogicGuy> considering LAN is only 12.5 MB
[14:16] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[14:16] <tntexplosivesltd> well 12.5 is theoretical max
[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> well enough of that
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[14:16] <tntexplosivesltd> not including overhead
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[14:16] <LogicGuy> how much is overhead ?
[14:17] <tntexplosivesltd> 10-20% iirc
[14:17] <tntexplosivesltd> so 8 sounds about right
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[14:17] <LogicGuy> well this is on Apache
[14:17] <tntexplosivesltd> pretty good though
[14:17] <LogicGuy> I imagine FTP is faster
[14:17] <LogicGuy> on SSH I got 2.5 MB/s
[14:17] <LogicGuy> due to 256 bit encryption
[14:17] <LogicGuy> the CPU cannot handle
[14:18] <LogicGuy> let me try FTP ..
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> um, not sure about apache
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> sorry, ftp
[14:18] <tntexplosivesltd> either way there's always overhead
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[14:19] <tntexplosivesltd> I alwats thought ftp was slow
[14:19] <tntexplosivesltd> * always
[14:19] <tntexplosivesltd> http://www.nuxified.org/blog/why-ftp-sucks
[14:19] <LogicGuy> this is what my apache looks like: http://i.imgur.com/gn1xn.png
[14:20] <LogicGuy> loaded PHP + Suhosin
[14:20] <LogicGuy> :))
[14:20] <LogicGuy> notice the rutorrent folder
[14:20] <LogicGuy> he he he
[14:20] <gatsoahead> huehuehuehue
[14:20] <tntexplosivesltd> rutorrent?
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[14:20] <LogicGuy> huahuauhuueh
[14:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I've heard of rtorrent
[14:20] <LogicGuy> it's what most seedbox providers use
[14:21] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, it's a web frontend
[14:21] <LogicGuy> ;)
[14:21] <tntexplosivesltd> I think we use that too
[14:21] <LogicGuy> that uses PHP + CGI
[14:21] <tntexplosivesltd> can't be sure
[14:22] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, the server admin (flatmate) tells me we use that too
[14:22] <tntexplosivesltd> it's pretty good
[14:22] <LogicGuy> yes
[14:22] <LogicGuy> very stable
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[14:22] <tntexplosivesltd> what are you running that on?
[14:22] <LogicGuy> the raspberry pi
[14:23] <LogicGuy> Apache
[14:23] <tntexplosivesltd> ah sweet
[14:23] <tntexplosivesltd> tried looking at lighttpd?
[14:23] <tntexplosivesltd> smaller than apache =)
[14:23] <LogicGuy> meh
[14:23] <LogicGuy> all the documentation is for Apache
[14:23] <tntexplosivesltd> and less bloated =)
[14:23] <LogicGuy> for Arch Linux
[14:23] <LogicGuy> Debian sucks
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> lighttpd almost ledts itself to arch =)
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * kends
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> * lends
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> giddamn
[14:24] <TopherBrink> wonder if arch would play nice with the quake 3 bins
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> oh ffs
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> mmmm arch and quake <3
[14:24] <LogicGuy> arch is much faster than debian
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> well, that depends
[14:24] <LogicGuy> and the guy who ran quake 3 used Arch
[14:24] <TopherBrink> it is
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> it starts off faster
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> but if you install everything
[14:24] <tntexplosivesltd> then...
[14:25] <gatsoahead> I think you should give quake3 it's own sd card
[14:25] <TopherBrink> arch + q3 would be a win
[14:25] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, I love arch
[14:25] <LogicGuy> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[14:25] <LogicGuy> rootfs 3.6G 654M 2.8G 19% /
[14:25] <LogicGuy> this is my 4 GB SD card
[14:25] <LogicGuy> Arch is currently only using 654 MB
[14:25] <LogicGuy> :)
[14:25] <gatsoahead> LogicGuy: So a 2gb sd would work?
[14:25] <tntexplosivesltd> you must have a lot of stuff installed
[14:25] <TopherBrink> tempted to try q3 debian on a class 10 just to see if theres any performance diff at all
[14:26] <LogicGuy> gatsoahead: no
[14:26] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: as opposed to a class 4?
[14:26] <tntexplosivesltd> or opposed to arch?
[14:26] <tntexplosivesltd> * as opposed to
[14:26] <LogicGuy> gatsoahead: the img file is 1.9 GB, a 2 GB sd card is around 1.6 GB due to overhead
[14:26] <LogicGuy> :)
[14:26] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not overhead
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> it's marketing
[14:27] <LogicGuy> ya
[14:27] <TopherBrink> as opposed to on a class 4 yes
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> and GB vs GiB
[14:27] <gatsoahead> not due to overhead, to manufacturers misleading consumers
[14:27] <gatsoahead> oh too slow
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: you tried an OS on a class 10?
[14:27] <TopherBrink> (arch is on my class 10)
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[14:27] <gatsoahead> TopherBrink: class 10 sucks for small files
[14:27] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[14:28] <gatsoahead> class 6 is best
[14:28] <TopherBrink> but i'll img it and try debian q3 on that card
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> it sucks for random place write/reads
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> size doesn't matter
[14:28] <LogicGuy> huehueuhueh, I'm going to install a UpnP server for my Playstation 3
[14:28] <LogicGuy> I'm getting excited
[14:28] <LogicGuy> <3 Arch
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> just random ns sequentual access
[14:28] <tntexplosivesltd> * vs
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[14:31] <LogicGuy> tntexplosivesltd: FTP sucks for uploading 5000 files
[14:31] <LogicGuy> or downloading.
[14:31] <LogicGuy> but for downloading a single file
[14:31] <LogicGuy> quite nice :D
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[14:33] <tntexplosivesltd> LogicGuy: that's why we use NFS =)
[14:33] <tntexplosivesltd> or even sftp
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> /scp
[14:34] <ShiftPlusOne> theme hospital compiled... copying over to the pi
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: =D
[14:34] <Hydrazine> nice
[14:34] <TopherBrink> would love to see if uplink ports
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> uplink is a cool game
[14:35] <LogicGuy> lol
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[14:35] <LogicGuy> loved playing with Uplink's LAN
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[14:37] <TopherBrink> would be a nice pi game
[14:37] <TopherBrink> low graphical high gameplay
[14:39] <gatsoahead> uplink is sooooooooo boring
[14:39] <TopherBrink> cant find my cd copy with the source, ugh
[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: the idea is cool, but yes after playing a while it got boring =)
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> I still think it's cool purely due to the actual idea
[14:41] <TopherBrink> suppose running fuse and playing spectrum game hacker is close... but i want my uplink now.
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[14:44] <Hexxeh> does anyone else get a massive border on their screen when using hdmi?
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: hahaha gatso ahead
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[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting nick
[14:45] <TopherBrink> the border that was killed by the disable_overscan=1 line being added?
[14:45] <Hexxeh> TopherBrink: i'll try that now
[14:45] <TopherBrink> theres more than a few little overscan issues, who knows
[14:45] <Hexxeh> ah, yes that works now, cheers
[14:47] <gatsoahead> I would rather have something like frozen synapse than uplink
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: I wonder why no-one over here burns speed cameras we hate them the same amount? http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm
[14:48] <gatsoahead> tntexplosivesltd: Someone burnt one near us about 5 years ago
[14:48] <gatsoahead> stick a burning tyre around the base
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> that seems to be how everyone does it =P
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> you'd think they'd get them made more fireproof
[14:49] <gatsoahead> they replaced it with one that just flashes a red light at you if you go too fast
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> hahaha
[14:50] <bagpuss_thecat> the rather posh suburban are that my parents live in had a gatso detonated by a somewhat large quantity of explosives 4 days after it was put up
[14:50] <bagpuss_thecat> the police were fecking raging, but there was a quiet sense of approval amongst all the old folks
[14:50] <gatsoahead> homemade explosives?
[14:51] <bagpuss_thecat> gatsoahead: no idea
[14:51] <gatsoahead> you'll need to set up cameras watching the cameras
[14:51] <bagpuss_thecat> pphhtt
[14:52] <bagpuss_thecat> the camera is a money maker. It's in entirely the wrong place
[14:52] <gatsoahead> an expensive money maker
[14:52] <bagpuss_thecat> it was put up in response to a near fatal accident, where someone came round the corner on the wrong side of the road and above the limit. So they put the camera up 500 yards after the corner
[14:53] <bagpuss_thecat> it was my school friend that nearly died. Fuckerrs
[14:54] <Matt> hey bagpuss_thecat
[14:54] <Matt> when'd you appear in here
[14:54] <bagpuss_thecat> ayteup
[14:54] <bagpuss_thecat> a few days ago
[14:55] <bagpuss_thecat> how are you?
[14:55] <Matt> good ta
[14:55] <bagpuss_thecat> cool
[14:55] * bagpuss_thecat is up at Knockhill just now, idling
[15:01] <Hydrazine> mental note to self: don't compile the kernel inside your dropbox folder
[15:02] <bagpuss_thecat> lol
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[15:02] <ShiftPlusOne> does dropbox even support linux file permissions and all that?
[15:03] <Hydrazine> dunno, but it doesn't like the 20K files
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> ugh
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> dropbox
[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine it'd be much like using an NTFS or VFAT for linux files... which doesn't work
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't think it does use them
[15:04] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/GCXX
[15:05] <Hydrazine> oooo
[15:05] <Hexxeh> compiled on the Pi itself, too :P
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> how's the performance?
[15:05] <Hexxeh> not fantastic, but playable
[15:05] <TopherBrink> nice
[15:06] <Hydrazine> is that a pci usb expansion card?
[15:06] <Hexxeh> iirc in OpenTTD, all the drawing is done in software
[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a shame
[15:06] <Hexxeh> so it's taxing the CPU pretty hard
[15:06] <Hexxeh> there's some patches that add OpenGLES support i think though
[15:06] <Hexxeh> Hydrazine: yeah
[15:06] <friggle> yeah, I've found openttd quite playable on the Pi even before the L2 cache change
[15:06] <friggle> not at full screen admittedly
[15:06] <PiKeY> had xbmc running onpi for a couple of hours this morning, noticed the case i had round it was rather warm when i turned it all off, are there any suitable heatsinks or should i put a fan in the case?
[15:07] <Hexxeh> it's perfect except for moving across the map
[15:07] <Hexxeh> which is kinda jerky
[15:07] <Hexxeh> and totally tops the CPU out :P
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I had a the pi in a drawer all day... should go check up on it.
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[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> nope... all nice and cool
[15:09] <PiKeY> maybe cuz mine is enclosed in case
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course
[15:09] <tntexplosivesltd> have small holes in the case
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> and I've found that it's actually the USB chip which heats up the most, the CPU/RAM part stays only a little warm.
[15:10] <TopherBrink> definitely
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[15:11] <PiKeY> maybe i`ll just pop the top off & let some air in, don`t want to brick one just yet
[15:13] <gatsoahead> or let it boil and then see how long it lasts
[15:13] * bagpuss_thecat is looking forward to using his RaspberryPi to replace a Bifferboard
[15:14] * gatsoahead is looking forward to not owning a RaspberryPi
[15:15] * SpeedEvil returns from purchasing some sheets of stamps.
[15:15] <PiKeY> u think anyone would wanna buy a bricked pi
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> PiKeY: yes
[15:15] <Hydrazine> xD
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> PiKeY: I'd like some to play with desoldering ande resolderig
[15:17] <ReggieUK> how the hell do you manage to brick a pi?
[15:18] <_av500_> hit it with a brick
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure it's technically possible.
[15:18] <PiKeY> not bricked yet but was nice & toasty after running xbmc for a few hours
[15:19] <PiKeY> plus rpi was in unvented case
[15:19] <PiKeY> which i`m now about to mod some vents into
[15:19] * SpeedEvil looks at the large pile of sausage.
[15:20] <ecto2> stop looking at me
[15:20] <gatsoahead> pour water on it
[15:20] <TopherBrink> wasnt there someone on the forums said they'd had one running at 80 degrees or something silly for days with no issues
[15:20] <Hydrazine> most chips can handle rather high temperatures
[15:20] <Matt> SpeedEvil: might I suggest putting some in the freezer, some in the fridge, and some on the BBQ
[15:20] <gatsoahead> TopherBrink: That's not really suprising, since most modern x86 cpus can run over 100C no problem
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Matt: It's Lidl's Kabernosi - which I quite like in salads and sandwitches - which was on half price today, so I got 24
[15:21] <gatsoahead> The only issue you'll get with high temperatures is if you've got a battery, it will probably explode
[15:21] <Matt> SpeedEvil: ooh, yum
[15:21] <TopherBrink> it does get toasty in an enclosed case, but then thats what sharp knives are for
[15:21] <Matt> SpeedEvil: in which case, fridge :)
[15:22] <Matt> except some which can happily be munched upon
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Matt: It's actually OK in the cupboard.
[15:22] <gatsoahead> Cavernosi?
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/15635.htm
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ssh: connect to host alarmpi port 22: Connection refused =(
[15:22] * ShiftPlusOne feels rejected
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Kabanossi
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[15:24] <gatsoahead> http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_30904.htm
[15:26] <TopherBrink> my temporary case came from lidl. clear plastic food container + knife.
[15:26] <TopherBrink> cant bear to hide the board away yet
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[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh... a firmware and kernel update for archlinux =D. Anyone know what was fixed/updated?
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> hope it's the USB bug
[15:51] <Hydrazine> that would be nice
[15:53] <Hexxeh> fixes for that went into the repo yesterday
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[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I saw
[15:57] <ShiftPlusOne> so I am hoping that that's the update
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[16:22] <Matt> mn
[16:22] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[16:22] <Matt> ok, so this box just ate "orning Sea"
[16:23] <IT_Sean> hahaha
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[16:25] <Matt> it does that from time to time
[16:25] <Matt> I have way too much stuff open
[16:25] <Matt> including firefox with a few dozen tabs and thunderbird
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[16:27] <voidn> Hi all.
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[16:29] <Hydrazine> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1139
[16:29] <Hydrazine> the quake III build ^
[16:30] <Hexxeh> haha, nice
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, nice... front page material
[16:31] <TopherBrink> 3.14mb what are the odds on that one
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[16:32] <voidn> Well, the engine is quite lean so it's not surprising.
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[16:32] <TopherBrink> its nicely coincidental
[16:32] <Hydrazine> uhuh
[16:32] <SoulRaven> hello world:)
[16:32] <Hexxeh> shame it wasn't 3.142
[16:33] <Hydrazine> just make sure it's below 3.14MB, then add enough random data :P
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[16:33] <SoulRaven> anyone try to connect sensors on the pi?
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[16:34] <SoulRaven> via spi ori i2c or 1wire?
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[16:34] <Hydrazine> not yet
[16:35] <SoulRaven> i want to make a weather station with data loging via internet, and i want to connect a barometric sensor, a ligh sensor, a humidity sensor
[16:35] <SoulRaven> and all the sensor to be in remote location, 1 few meters away
[16:35] <SoulRaven> and all the sensor to be in remote location, a few meters away
[16:36] <Hydrazine> don't know if I2C can do that
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[16:37] <SoulRaven> i know, i think i nead something that is working with long distances
[16:37] <Hydrazine> you could use some cheap wireless tranceivers as a bridge
[16:37] <danieldaniel1> where do I put the pak3 files
[16:37] <danieldaniel1> for hexxes build
[16:38] <SoulRaven> exists any spi ori 1wire to serial convertor?
[16:38] <SoulRaven> exists any spi or 1wire to serial convertor?
[16:38] <SoulRaven> and after that to use wireless ?
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[16:39] <Hydrazine> you could use a tranceiver like the nrf24l01
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[16:39] <Gadget-Mac> How about http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10586
[16:40] <Hydrazine> thats also an option :P
[16:40] <SoulRaven> +Gadget-Mac: to expensive
[16:40] <danieldaniel1> Holy CRAP
[16:40] <danieldaniel1> thats COOL!
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[16:41] <SirLagz> hai guys
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[16:41] <danieldaniel1> THAT IS SOOOOOOOO COOL!!!!!
[16:41] <Hexxeh> hahahaha
[16:41] <SirLagz> what is cool ?
[16:41] <IT_Sean> OOOH!
[16:41] <IT_Sean> WANT!
[16:41] <danieldaniel1> Quake3
[16:41] <SirLagz> oh righto
[16:41] <Hexxeh> https://twitter.com/raspberry_pi/status/196247171941675008
[16:41] <Hydrazine> SoulRaven: http://www.ledsee.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=651&category_id=29&keyword=nrf24l01&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2
[16:41] <SirLagz> well I don't have a Pi yet :P
[16:41] <Hydrazine> sorry for the huge link
[16:42] <danieldaniel1> :D
[16:42] <SirLagz> but i agree. awesome work Hexxeh :D
[16:42] <Hexxeh> cheers :P
[16:42] <SoulRaven> +SirLagz: same here
[16:42] <Hexxeh> i'm gonna have a stab at adding a sound driver using openmax and then i'll post binaries
[16:42] <SirLagz> awesome
[16:42] <IT_Sean> I don't have an rpi either, but, i bet i could find a use for that board.
[16:42] <SirLagz> how do you do all this work Hexxeh ? got lots of coding background ?
[16:42] <SirLagz> lol IT_Sean
[16:42] <danieldaniel1> do I need a mouse?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> why is that funny?
[16:43] <TopherBrink> you can imagine you need a mouse for quake 3...
[16:43] <TopherBrink> otherwise aiming may be an issue
[16:43] <danieldaniel1> what server should I play on?
[16:43] <danieldaniel1> true
[16:43] <danieldaniel1> XD
[16:43] <SirLagz> IT_Sean, hang on...I think i may have missed something. Ignore my Lol
[16:43] <SirLagz> you can play Q3A without a mouse...it's pretty damn hard though lol
[16:44] <TopherBrink> mouseless Q3A - one for the hardcore.
[16:44] <danieldaniel1> i got it
[16:44] <SirLagz> haha
[16:44] <Hydrazine> real men play quakIII by mail
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Directions to unlock Q3 Hardcore Mode: Unplug the mouse.
[16:44] <danieldaniel1> whats a good Q3 server?
[16:44] <Hexxeh> SirLagz: uh, kinda
[16:45] <SirLagz> lol kinda ?
[16:45] * IT_Sean mails Hydrazine a letter which reads: three meters left, turn right, left mouse button.
[16:45] <SirLagz> are you just recompiling the Q3A source for arm6 ?
[16:45] <Hexxeh> ioQuake3, a modification of the original Q3A source
[16:45] <SirLagz> ah k
[16:45] <Hexxeh> also git, WHY YOU DO THIS
[16:46] <Hexxeh> updating the rpi-firmware repo, but it's getting very mixed up with the elf files
[16:46] * Hydrazine mails IT_Sean: two meters forward, left mouse button, jump
[16:46] <SirLagz> Hexxeh, did I just read right...TTD on Pi ? :D:D:D:D
[16:46] <Hexxeh> yes
[16:46] <SirLagz> You are my GOD.
[16:46] <danieldaniel1> Omg
[16:46] <danieldaniel1> "invalid game folder"
[16:46] <danieldaniel1> :(
[16:47] <SirLagz> hmmmmmmm
[16:47] <danieldaniel1> its the demo
[16:47] <SirLagz> I want my Pi :(
[16:47] * IT_Sean mails Hydrazine: sidestep right. select RPG. turn left. left mouse, left mouse, left mouse. victory dance.
[16:47] <danieldaniel1> i can only play demo, i think
[16:47] <danieldaniel1> i can play SP
[16:47] <Hydrazine> xD
[16:47] <SirLagz> won't get it until beginnign of june :(
[16:47] * TopherBrink mails: sidestep 6ft, ROCKETJUMP
[16:47] <SirLagz> lol
[16:47] <Hexxeh> updated the rpi-firmware repo with today's new firmware
[16:47] <SirLagz> last time I played Q3A against someone, got owned so bad
[16:48] <Hexxeh> incldues kernel that can boot from USB (thanks to dom for including those changes)
[16:48] <SirLagz> I jumped off the edge of the map...and the guy railed me on the way down to my certain death
[16:48] <SirLagz> Hexxeh, niiiiice
[16:48] <TopherBrink> wait... usb boot kernel? win.
[16:48] * IT_Sean hasn't played quake (Q2) in at least a decade
[16:48] <SirLagz> firmware = start.elf files ?
[16:48] <Hexxeh> TopherBrink: yeah, the originally shipped kernel image was missing a few baked in config options to allow it
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Theme Hospital works on the pi =)
[16:48] <SirLagz> ShiftPlusOne, how ?
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> SirLagz, CorsixTH
[16:49] <SirLagz> Googling that NAAAAOOOO !!!!!
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> you need the original data files though
[16:49] <SirLagz> got em:D
[16:49] * Hexxeh still has Theme Hospital on CD...
[16:49] <SirLagz> ehehhe
[16:50] <TopherBrink> just obtained the game again last week, well timed
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, could you check if it works 'well'? I am only testing through VNC, which obviously sucks
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, gog?
[16:50] <Hexxeh> yeah sure go ahead ShiftPlusOne, binaries link?
[16:50] <Hexxeh> i don't have my Theme Hospital CD here though, so you'll need to provide the data files too
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, just a second, I'll tar it up
[16:50] <Hexxeh> i'm at uni at the moment, CD is at my parents house some way away
[16:51] <haltdef> so guys, how's the crysis port coming along
[16:51] <TopherBrink> not as well as the STALKER dx11 port
[16:52] <TopherBrink> only another four years to build on the rpi
[16:52] <IT_Sean> dammit people... now i'm browsing sparkfun.
[16:52] <IT_Sean> so much for having a productive morning.
[16:52] <Hydrazine> hehe
[16:52] <TopherBrink> theme hospital will be productive... just not irl
[16:53] <Matt> IT_Sean: better than reading reddit :)
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Matt, true.
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[16:54] <danieldaniel1> does anyone have a good server?
[16:54] <haltdef> <-
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[16:54] <danieldaniel1> IP?
[16:54] * Matt has so far spent the morning 1) locating and copying the ~/.q3a from his old workstation; 2) watching "House of Cards" and 3) reading r/climbing
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[16:55] <TopherBrink>
[16:55] <Matt> none of which is terribly productive
[16:55] <danieldaniel1> TopherBrink: :(
[16:55] <Matt> so I think now I shall go run errands and then go down to the climbing gym for a bit
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/corsixth-pi.tar.gz
[16:55] <Hydrazine> I've got a server on, but no-one seems to be able to connect ;)
[16:55] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: i'll test in a sec, managed to get the pi a bit confused, lost all display :P
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, no data though
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> too big
[16:56] <Hexxeh> ah, need the data :/
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> so... some other time then
[16:56] <TopherBrink> copying data now
[16:56] <Hexxeh> also, openttd binaries are like 8.5MB
[16:56] <Hexxeh> includes OpenGFX
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll send you the link when it uploads
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[16:57] <PiKeY> how do i tell which memory split i`m using on rpi plz
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[16:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, actually there are plenty of demo versions around. http://www.fileplanet.com/11380/10000/fileinfo/Theme-Hospital-Demo
[16:58] <Hexxeh> windows installers?
[16:58] <Hydrazine> PiKeY: use "free" to see your ram total/usage
[16:58] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a zip, shouldn't be, but I'll check
[16:59] <BenO> Hexxeh, What does TTD use for its gfx/sound engine? SDL? Something custom?
[16:59] <Hexxeh> SDL yeah
[16:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, nope, not an installer, just the archive
[16:59] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: ah okay, i'll give it a shot in a sec then
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[16:59] <haltdef> demo doesn't contain all required data files iirc
[16:59] <BenO> Hexxeh, ah thanks :)
[17:00] <PiKeY> thx Hydrazine, i have Mem: 125912 i presume that is 128mb split?
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[17:01] <Hydrazine> I think so
[17:01] <Hydrazine> It's a kernel option iirc
[17:01] <Hexxeh> yes
[17:01] <Hexxeh> no Hydrazine, it's an entirely different file
[17:01] <Hexxeh> look in /boot
[17:01] <Hexxeh> you'll see some files beginning with "arm" and ending in .elf
[17:01] <Hexxeh> arm128, arm192 etc
[17:02] <Hydrazine> ah
[17:02] <Hexxeh> copy one of these over start.elf
[17:02] <PiKeY> was just using ur firmware update tool Hexxeh and wondered if i need to set split after rpi-update
[17:03] <Hexxeh> PiKeY: it's an option on the tool
[17:03] <Hexxeh> rpi-update 192 for example
[17:03] <Hexxeh> gives you the 192mb split
[17:03] <Hexxeh> defaults to 224mb
[17:03] <PiKeY> i don`t need to know current split then?
[17:04] <Hexxeh> nope
[17:04] <PiKeY> kewl
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[17:05] <PiKeY> how easy is quake binary to get runnin for n00b Hexxeh?
[17:05] <Hexxeh> easily
[17:05] <PiKeY> is there a readme?
[17:05] <danieldaniel1> as easy as ./start.sh
[17:05] <Hexxeh> make sure you're running the latest debian
[17:05] <danieldaniel1> (and get all the files)
[17:05] <PiKeY> i did look
[17:05] <danieldaniel1> Hexxeh: it works on fedora
[17:06] <gatsoahead> you need a hacking skill of at least level 6 to get quake3 working
[17:06] <PiKeY> does rpi updater update debian ?
[17:06] <Hexxeh> no, just the firmware
[17:06] <PiKeY> i only level 4.5 gatsoahead
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> is it illegal to post a website that has all of the quake3 files?
[17:07] <gatsoahead> yes
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> ok
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> nvm then
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> i bought quake3 like a year ago
[17:07] * gatsoahead gets out his handcuffs
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> for my xbox from gamestop
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[17:07] <danieldaniel1> So its not illegal for me, rite?
[17:07] <gatsoahead> danieldaniel1: you didn't buy quake 3, you bought a license to use it.
[17:07] <danieldaniel1> >.>
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[17:08] <PiKeY> i have the 19-04-2012 one of debian is that latest available?
[17:08] <Dagger2> note that if it's illegal and the site is indexed in Google, Google are also breaking the law
[17:08] <danieldaniel1> oh
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[17:08] <IT_Sean> you cannot redistribute it. read the license agreement.
[17:08] <gatsoahead> Dagger2: Yeah but google has a kickass team of lawyers
[17:09] <Dagger2> if, as I do, you think that should be silly, then you should probably also come to the conclusion that you linking to it in here isn't illegal either
[17:09] <Dagger2> of course if you're hosting the site too then that part should be illegal
[17:09] <gatsoahead> Dagger2: Linking to content is illegal in america
[17:10] <Dagger2> gatsoahead: that's silly
[17:10] <gatsoahead> Dagger2: Indeed
[17:10] <gatsoahead> Dagger2: But it's the way it is, infact what's even sillier is that it's not illegal in the UK yet that guy is still being extradited for it.
[17:11] <tntexplosivesltd> gatsoahead: which guy?
[17:11] <gatsoahead> Richard O'Dwyer
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[17:19] <Cheery> gatsoahead: everybody knows the "law" you're talking about, yet agrees it doesn't make sense except monetarily to one single entity
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[17:19] <Cheery> gatsoahead: so what you're bothering?
[17:19] <Cheery> gatsoahead: you shouldn't teach that kind of shit to kids.
[17:19] <Cheery> copyright that is.
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[17:19] <gatsoahead> ???
[17:19] <ReggieUK> language cheery!
[17:20] <gatsoahead> Cheery: What are you going on about? I wasn't speaking to you.
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[17:21] <Cheery> gatsoahead: just a comment. and my 0 cents.
[17:21] <Cheery> :P
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[17:23] <gatsoahead> Cheery: You're obviously misinformed. Who is this everyone you're referring to? Dagger2 was obviously unaware of the "law", and he was the person I was speaking to.
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, btw, corsixth will need sdl_mixer and lua, but you probably already have those installed
[17:23] <Hexxeh> lua isn't installed, sdl is though
[17:23] <ReggieUK> sdl_mixer != sdl
[17:24] <Hexxeh> i know, i have sdl_mixer installed
[17:24] <ReggieUK> :)
[17:24] <tntexplosivesltd> holy crap, 3:24
[17:24] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time
[17:25] <gatsoahead> your clock is fast
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[17:26] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadget-Mac: eh?
[17:26] <tntexplosivesltd> ugh
[17:26] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadget-Mac: soz tab complete fail
[17:27] <Gadget-Mac> np.
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[17:30] <Cheery> ReggieUK: sorry about that
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[17:30] <ReggieUK> no worries I'm sure it was just a slip
[17:31] <ReggieUK> wouldn't want to see you get banned!
[17:31] <Cheery> well it's hard topic.
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[17:31] <Cheery> and I wouldn't want to get hassled by someone 'knowing the law' when distributing links.
[17:31] <ReggieUK> indeed but we managed difficult subjects everyday without needing those kinds of words :)
[17:31] <TopherBrink> so whats the trick to running corsixth
[17:31] <ReggieUK> what is corsixth?
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, theme hospital port
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, no trick, just need the binaries and data files.
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> no trick to compiling from source either... compiles on arm out of the box
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, *clone, not a port, I guess.
[17:33] <PiKeY> Hexxeh is it just pak0.pk3 i need to find?
[17:33] <Hexxeh> pak0 through pak8
[17:33] <TopherBrink> i have the data files copied over with it, just dont know how to run what
[17:33] <TopherBrink> my brain is dead today
[17:33] <Cheery> ReggieUK: although you're correct. bad language starts slipping from me again as I'm bit more angered in general, especially about the state of copyright on earth and how people are gaming it to profit.
[17:34] <PiKeY> these are the ones ur not allowed to link to i`m guessing
[17:34] <Cheery> PiKeY: yeah. but US laws do only apply within their own country.
[17:35] <ReggieUK> the thing about copyright is it's been there for a long time now, it's not fit for purpose and it really does nothing to encourage people to design stuff
[17:35] <PiKeY> i`m sure i "have" them somewhere
[17:35] <ReggieUK> but there isn't a great deal we can do about it
[17:35] <ReggieUK> PC software and hardware engineers are mostly to blame though imho
[17:35] <Cheery> ReggieUK: actually there is. but it needs some time
[17:35] <ReggieUK> eulas are the bane of the earth
[17:36] <ReggieUK> and gesture copyright is just plain wrong
[17:36] <Cheery> these things settle down due to their own incompatibility with everything.
[17:36] <ReggieUK> slide to unlock is a prime example of the stupidity of copyright
[17:36] <Cheery> I didn't knew it was copyrighted.. or patented
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> patented
[17:37] <Cheery> it seems to be in about every device around.. even if I'm not sure whether licensed. :)
[17:37] <ReggieUK> I believe apple applied it and won against samsung (or one of the other smartphone companies)
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[17:37] <ReggieUK> it's like making a lock and then trying to patent inserting a key
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[17:38] <Cheery> worst thing that I think is going on is DRM right now.
[17:38] <ReggieUK> kind of
[17:38] <PiKeY> could i mnt a usb key on pi and play quake from there as no space on sd card?
[17:38] <ReggieUK> but only if you buy into drm devices and content
[17:38] <Cheery> but they are too much incompatible with each other to provide the monopoly their authors want to get.
[17:39] <ReggieUK> PiKeY, no reason why not
[17:39] <PiKeY> sweet, just gotta find those files now :)
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, other than that fat32 and ntfs don't allow linux permissions, so no executable files... and most usb keys are fat32 or ntfs
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> if it's ext3 or something, then it should be fine
[17:39] <ReggieUK> nothing to stop you reformatting the usb key :)
[17:40] <PiKeY> that was my next question :)
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[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> friend got an email from element14
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> "Having successfully passed its CE compliance testing, we can now confirm that your Raspberry Pi will be dispatched week commencing 28-May-12."
[17:42] <Cheery> ReggieUK: I wonder what to do first when getting my hands on rpi.. wondering whether it's good idea to get on constructing a potential divider circuit straight away lol. :)
[17:43] <ReggieUK> it won't hurt to do things like that
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like that's the next aussie batch then?
[17:43] <ReggieUK> then you can fully test it and see results without having to connect anything to the pi :)
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[17:44] <Cheery> ReggieUK: yeah.. true
[17:45] <ReggieUK> btw. cheery, a voltage divider circuit is only really any good for logic lines (IO)
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[17:46] <ReggieUK> so don't go thinking you can power a 3.3v device from 5v using a voltage divider :)
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[17:46] <Cheery> ReggieUK: it always requires a regulator?
[17:46] <ReggieUK> it's possible in theory that you could power something but it would have to have pretty low current draw
[17:46] <Cheery> how can I prove that to myself?
[17:46] <ReggieUK> hmmmmmn
[17:47] <tero> hi guys. has anyone who has a pi actually tried to power it with batteries?
[17:47] <ReggieUK> not 100% certain how you'd test that theory
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[17:47] <Cheery> ReggieUK: I guess there is some simple explanation deriverable.
[17:48] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, what kind of batteries?
[17:48] <ReggieUK> Cheery, in general though, for providing power, it should be regulated but not necessarily via a regulator
[17:48] <ReggieUK> for instance, you can use a couple of diodes to drop 5v to 3v
[17:48] <tero> ShiftPlusOne like AA or something?
[17:48] <Hexxeh> anyone got the config.txt var name for upping the arm clock speed?
[17:48] <Hexxeh> i could do with a bit more power for these recompiles
[17:49] <Cheery> ReggieUK: but they need to be certain kind of diodes I guess. :)
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, I dunno about that AA, but external batteries work great for pi
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> just make sure you get one with a 1A port
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[17:49] <ReggieUK> as far as I know, resistors will drop a voltage (in a voltage divider) and will also limit current, so you need to find out what the current limit of the circuit is and see if you can hook up stuff that will draw more current than you can supply, effectively it won't work, or it will but it'll have random results/errors
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, this sort of thing http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10000mAh-External-Battery-Charger/dp/B005NGKR54/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[17:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> woah
[17:50] <tntexplo1ivesltd> hang on
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[17:50] <ReggieUK> which what?
[17:50] <Cheery> ReggieUK: and diodes might drop voltage yet not limit current?
[17:51] <ReggieUK> there may be an upper limit on the current on a diode (I think) but for the purposes of what you're doing and most general electronics that aren't running motors etc. (high current draw) they'll be fine
[17:52] <ReggieUK> you might find this useful cheery:
[17:52] <ReggieUK> http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/
[17:52] <ReggieUK> nice bit of software that will help you do the math for electronics
[17:52] <flaushy> on the debian image, sshd is not active by default?
[17:52] <Cheery> ReggieUK: oh. I don't know whether I need that
[17:52] <ReggieUK> trust me, you'll find it useful if you're messing with electronics
[17:53] <ReggieUK> and this website is very useful too
[17:53] <ReggieUK> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/
[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> flaushy, nope.
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[17:53] <ReggieUK> look in the components section
[17:53] <Cheery> I do so little bit of electronics that I can mostly remember all those rules.
[17:53] <flaushy> ShiftPlusOne: thx, then i need to instlal it blindly
[17:53] <tnt_z2> ah better
[17:53] <ReggieUK> no idea why but I hardly remember that much, so tools like that are a great reference for me
[17:53] <Cheery> ReggieUK: looks better than the first site you linked
[17:53] <tnt_z2> <3 zipits
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> flaushy, nope, it's installed, you just need to enable it
[17:54] <ReggieUK> the first site is just some software
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> flaushy, there's a script provided on the fat32 partition which you can copy over, I think
[17:54] <ReggieUK> but it's got lots of useful tools and calculators in there
[17:54] <flaushy> ShiftPlusOne: no monitor here with dvi/hdmi
[17:54] <flaushy> ah cool
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[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> flaushy, yeah, I am in the same boat... just using ssh and vnc.
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and ssh with x forwarding
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[17:55] <flaushy> ouch, x forwarding is painful
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> enable it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1 line change)
[17:56] <flaushy> yeah, but slow
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> much faster than VNC for me.
[17:56] <lachs_> ack
[17:56] <flaushy> right, vnc i didnt even consider ^^
[17:58] <Hexxeh> i swear having the arm set at 800mhz seems to make a huge difference
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> as opposed to what?
[17:59] <Hexxeh> the default 700mhz
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[18:00] <flaushy> and energy/heat wise?
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> performance I am guessing
[18:00] <Hexxeh> not sure about energy wise, don't have a kill-a-watt here
[18:00] <Hexxeh> but it shouldn't make a difference i'd have thought
[18:00] <Hexxeh> you're not changing the core voltage
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, ReggieUK, it has been a while, but if I call correctly, the issue with voltage dividers is that they don't handle variable current too well, so the voltage jumps around with different current draw.
[18:00] <BenO> Hexxeh, 14% increase in raw CPU crunch?
[18:01] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: of course
[18:01] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: now I understand
[18:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I don't actually know what you guys are talking about, I am jumping in late. I thought you were talking about powering pi from a different voltage using a divider
[18:02] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: just generic
[18:02] <ShiftPlusOne> and *recall
[18:03] <Mjiig> ShiftPlusOne: excuse my electronics ignorence, is a voltage divider the same thing as a potential divider?
[18:03] <TopherBrink> i tried the arm_init 800 thing once over and it did seem slightly snappier overa
[18:03] <TopherBrink> ll
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Mjiig, yup
[18:03] <TopherBrink> didnt think to try it with q3a
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Mjiig, I had to look that up... I hate that about electronics... everyone calls everything a different name, so you have to pick up many different sets of lingo to know what the hell is going on.
[18:04] <Mjiig> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, i was confused because i thought it would be, but had slightly forgotten what a potential divider was
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
[18:04] <Mjiig> used one in tech a couple of years ago
[18:05] <Mjiig> something about turning analog sensor resistance into a digital signal
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[18:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Nope, much simpler and more sensical than that.
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[18:08] <Mjiig> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, we USED a potential divider to do that, i thought the potential divider was the whole circuit
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[18:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine you used it to convert the variable resistance to a voltage which was then converted to a digital signal using an ADC?
[18:11] <Mjiig> mostly, but we just used a transistor, rather than and ADC (only a single bit)
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[18:12] <Hexxeh> oh god cross compiling is blissful after working on the pi for a few hours
[18:12] <TeamMCSLondon> hey all
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[18:14] <ReggieUK> meh, I missed half of that, basic conversation was whether cheery should look at setting up a voltage divider before he gets his pi, I said yes, then he could see it work without making mistakes on his new kit, I then mentioned that voltage dividers are pretty much for IO only, not power, as a function of the resistance will be to limit current
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> great... potholer just uploaded a video calling me a Kent Hovind fan..... which I don't take kindly to =/
[18:15] <Cheery> ReggieUK: is there some limit on how large resistors I can put before the current is too low to flip on the gate?
[18:15] <ReggieUK> so it was mainly me making sure that cheery didn't think it would be a good thing to try and power a 3.3v device using 5v and a voltage divider
[18:15] <ReggieUK> as it's a pretty short leap to think it might work if you're unfamiliar
[18:15] <Cheery> ReggieUK: I know my URI: :)
[18:16] <Cheery> but yes
[18:16] <ReggieUK> cheery, yeah, there will be but that will be dependent on what you're trying to flip as well
[18:17] <TopherBrink> fps seem slightly higher in q3a with the arm set to 800
[18:18] <ReggieUK> I=V/R with R being R1 in a voltage divider I would've thought?
[18:19] <TopherBrink> with higher settings too
[18:20] <ReggieUK> not sure what V would be though, whether it would be v1 (5v in) or v2(3.3v out)
[18:22] <ReggieUK> but the difference is quite marked depending on how high you go with resistors
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[18:23] <ReggieUK> R1=100k on 5v should give around 50microamps, 10k = 500microamps and 1k = 5milliamps, 100ohm would give 50ma in theory
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[18:36] <Cheery> I'm still bit disappointed the "what the pi has done for me" wasn't parody.
[18:37] <ReggieUK> monty python?
[18:38] <Cheery> well I think it could parody some horror/scifi movies.
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[18:38] <Cheery> "aah! what is it doing to me?!"
[18:38] <Cheery> ;)
[18:39] <Hydrazine> "my bramble has become self aware" :D
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[18:41] <BenO> Hmm I've got alsa to be a little more stable, but sounds crackly :S
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[18:43] <flaushy> hmm berrytor will soon be running :)
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[18:44] <Cheery> ReggieUK: do you know about rpi hardware enough you'd be able to tell about it's interrupt system?
[18:45] <ReggieUK> not particularly :)
[18:45] <Cheery> I wonder whether anyone has written some lone code that's doing exactly it.
[18:45] <ReggieUK> gertboard maybe?
[18:45] <Cheery> hmmmmm... perhaps
[18:46] <ReggieUK> and 1/2 the drivers
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[18:46] <Cheery> I remember it may not be rpi specific interrupt system.
[18:46] <Hexxeh> anyone for OpenTTD later? :P
[18:46] <Hexxeh> i'm happy to run a server for it
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[18:46] <Cheery> Hexxeh: on a pi? ;)
[18:46] <Hexxeh> sure yeah
[18:47] <Cheery> idk.. I don't have it installed.. though it might be fun. :/
[18:47] <Cheery> the newest openttd?
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[18:48] <Hexxeh> i'm still building it atm
[18:48] <Hexxeh> adding a sound driver for the pi at the moment
[18:48] <TopherBrink> Q3A definitely seems a little speedier with arm_freq set to 800
[18:48] <TopherBrink> smoother at least
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[18:49] <Hexxeh> we'll definitely have to get a game going later tonight
[18:49] <TopherBrink> the 800's vs the 700's
[18:49] <TopherBrink> massacre
[18:50] <Hexxeh> could push it even further...
[18:50] <Hexxeh> you're pretty safe as long as you don't change the voltage
[18:50] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone got suggestions for working out why something simply stops working on a Pi after an indeterminate amount of time ?
[18:50] <TopherBrink> its tempting just to see how much smoothing out can be done by raw cpu abuse
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[18:51] <Hexxeh> TopherBrink: if it's a lack of oomph on the graphics side, you can push that clock too
[18:51] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: Oooh, less crackly alsa, sounds good :)
[18:51] <TopherBrink> it really does seem cpu bound
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[18:52] <Cheery> Hexxeh: why isn't it topped even if it'd be safe?
[18:52] <BenO> Gadget-Mac, I've not found the route problem, but getting there
[18:52] <BenO> root*
[18:52] <Gadget-Mac> BenO, great, it certainly works for me and squeezeslave, but then something simply stops and I have to re-start squeezeslave
[18:53] <Hexxeh> Cheery: some pis can be pushed further than others
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[18:53] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeSlave - In case you're not aware of it :)
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[18:54] <BenO> Gadget-Mac, That's one of the current issues - it gets tied up thinking that something is xrunning when it's not and stalls
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[18:55] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: Happy to test anything for you. The more use cases the better ?
[18:56] <Hexxeh> anyone know if it's possible to play MIDI data using OpenMAX?
[18:58] <Gadget-Mac> Is alsa the only sound option for the Pi ?
[18:59] <Gadget-Mac> "The linux version supports ALSA, pulseaudio and OSS audio"
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[19:04] <Hexxeh> is it possible to play midi at all on the default debian image?
[19:04] <ReggieUK> good question
[19:04] <ReggieUK> alsa has midi support
[19:05] <Hexxeh> without alsa, preferably
[19:05] <ReggieUK> but you'd need midi software wouldn't you
[19:05] <BenO> Timidity normally
[19:05] <ReggieUK> midi shouldn't be an issue with alsa
[19:05] <BenO> or something of that ilk
[19:05] <ReggieUK> it's low bandwidth
[19:05] <ReggieUK> 31kbaud
[19:05] <ReggieUK> 31.5 even
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[19:05] <BenO> That's for outputing MIDI - I think Hexxeh is talking about simulating MIDI playback
[19:06] <BenO> eg https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Timidity
[19:06] <ReggieUK> so he's talking soft synths not real ones
[19:06] <Cheery> Hexxeh: I guess I won't play openttd today night. I have to get sleep
[19:06] <Hexxeh> openttd music is midi, that's all
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[19:07] <Hexxeh> looks like one of the drivers it supports is libtimidity
[19:07] <BenO> ReggieUK, I have no idea if the audio core can handle it - from what I've seen it juat takes bytes you through at it as PCM
[19:07] <BenO> just*
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[19:07] <ReggieUK> well, there is an i2s connection
[19:07] <paulmaidment> Hi all
[19:07] <ReggieUK> so theoretically we could add a real codec
[19:07] <Hexxeh> ah, i see how it'd work
[19:07] <ReggieUK> i.e. a proper chip
[19:07] <Cheery> hi
[19:07] <paulmaidment> so bit of a Pi Newbie here :)
[19:08] <paulmaidment> But currently connected to irc through my pi, so doing something right :)
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[19:08] <ReggieUK> congratz
[19:08] <paulmaidment> :)
[19:08] <paulmaidment> great little device, and really enjoying the new debian build
[19:09] <paulmaidment> Midori seems to be quicker and so on :)
[19:09] <paulmaidment> Has anyone here tried to get a wifi dongle working with debian yet?
[19:10] <paulmaidment> I bought a little device at a local computer fair, it has source code for the linux driver, but unsure if there would be issues because of x86 vs ARM?
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> No.
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Generally not.
[19:11] <Cheery> likely not
[19:11] <paulmaidment> (*when I say newbie, I mean, regular linux user/programmer who is new to the pi btw)
[19:11] <Cheery> the instructions sets aren't different enough
[19:11] <Cheery> well.
[19:11] <Cheery> assuming it's portable C :)
[19:11] <paulmaidment> ah ok, so provided the prerequisites are in place there should not be a major issue?
[19:11] <Cheery> which it should be ^^
[19:11] <paulmaidment> generally
[19:12] <paulmaidment> looks like it was c code, did not see any asm files or such in there
[19:12] <paulmaidment> did not check out the content much
[19:12] <ReggieUK> compile it :D
[19:12] <ReggieUK> if it works win
[19:12] <paulmaidment> so basically, following a debian/ubuntu guide for the device should work (apart from the config aspect)
[19:13] <paulmaidment> I will give it a try., I do think it failed before
[19:13] <paulmaidment> but good to know that device drivers for linux should be portable to the pi, very good to know
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[19:19] <paulmaidment> If I get the wifi driver compiled, configured and working, is there a place where I can contribute documentation about this? Would be nice to support the project in this way
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[19:20] <ReggieUK> wiki
[19:20] <paulmaidment> OK, will do that
[19:20] <paulmaidment> thanks
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[19:21] <ReggieUK> np
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[19:31] <mkopack> LOL! That's TOO funny that the Quake 3 binaries zip file ended up being 3.14 MB
[19:31] <Cheery> ?
[19:32] <flaushy> pi ^^
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[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ok.... done gathering evidence that I am not a bloody creationist... hopefully will get a retraction >=/
[19:33] <ReggieUK> eh?
[19:34] <ReggieUK> have you just had the god squad on your doorstep?
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, a fairly big youtube misintepreted a comment I sent him and made a video telling 58 thousand people that I am a creationist.
[19:34] <Hydrazine> o.0
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> which 1) is wrong. 2) will get me a lot of hate mail.
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> *youtuber
[19:35] <wcchandler> nothing like having a legitimate quake 3 and no cd rom to read it with :(
[19:36] <ReggieUK> ouch, are people really up themselves that much that they'd go that far if you were actually a creationist
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[19:36] <ReggieUK> I'm not either but you can't tell people what to believe in, otherwise you're just a dictator
[19:37] <Hydrazine> anybody here knows a good place to start if I want to learn how to write a driver?
[19:37] <BenO> Hydrazine, what type?
[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, in this context, yeah but the jist is that I deny evolution and am a fan of a guy who is in jail for fraud now... so he is linking me with some crazy ideas and also a criminal.
[19:37] <ReggieUK> ahh, not good then
[19:37] <Thorn_> ShiftPlusOne: wow i had no idea you were a creationist
[19:37] <BenO> Hydrazine, http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, not amused >=/
[19:38] <Hydrazine> I got the SPI driver from rew, but I want to write a driver for other SPI devices
[19:38] <Iota> Oh cool, the Quake III binaries are about.
[19:38] <Iota> Haha.
[19:38] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway, now that I got that off my chest, I am going back to messing around with sbrsh
[19:39] * Iota reads the article.
[19:39] * Iota congratulates Hexxeh on all his work.
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[19:40] <wcchandler> bah, not enough room on my sd card... maybe later I'll be able to boot it nfs and stick it there
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[19:41] <Matt> morning
[19:41] <Iota> Morning, Matt.
[19:41] * Matt returns with sore arms
[19:41] <Iota> :( What have you been up to?
[19:44] <Hydrazine> thx BenO
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[19:45] <BenO> Hydrazine, It's a little older than current kernel, but broadly, you can at least see what it requires
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[19:50] * Matt just got back from some climbing
[19:50] <Iota> Oh nice
[19:50] <Iota> I used to do a bit of climbing.
[19:50] <Iota> I should get back into it.
[19:51] <Iota> Such a great way to keep fit.
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[19:56] <mkopack> dammit, something is still screwed up in my ray tracer??? when I do 2x supersampling the whole image comes out darker
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[19:59] <Matt> Iota: yeah
[19:59] <Matt> I'm just getting into it
[19:59] <ReggieUK> you're doing it wrong
[19:59] <ReggieUK> you should be climbing up or down it
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[20:02] <Cheery> too bad my irssi jammed again
[20:03] <Cheery> hey I looked into what's written into first32k.bin :)
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> Is it porn?
[20:03] <ReggieUK> board setup and relocation I'm guessing
[20:03] <Cheery> it's not by me, so no.
[20:03] <Cheery> I'm not sure about the command
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[20:04] <Cheery> target/objdump -D -b binary -marm kernel.head
[20:04] <ReggieUK> I'll get back to you on that in about 3 weeks Cheery
[20:04] <Cheery> lol. what are you doing during that?
[20:04] <ReggieUK> waiting for my pi to turn up
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, they already said what it does. Loads things into memory, which the linux kernel expects... normally put there by uboot and such. So you can run straight arm code without first32k, it's just there to make linux work.
[20:05] <Cheery> the code disassembles. but it looks odd.
[20:06] <Cheery> it has NOP in it from some reason :o
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[20:06] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/27971/
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[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> "For future searchers, after some dis-assembly we figured out the first32k.bin is a small wedge of arm code to append some boot arguments the linux kernel that it expects from things like u-boot. Given how the Raspberrry Pi lacks a bootloader, it is mostly a workaround only needed for linux. In theory the first32k.bin file is optional for non-linux elf binaries and you should be able to load arm kernels directly. (we are playing with s
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ome assembly to try and test this)"
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[20:08] <ReggieUK> but all of that can be done within the kernel can't it?
[20:08] <ReggieUK> the only things it would need would be the load and jump addresses?
[20:08] <Cheery> how much 32k is in hex?
[20:09] <Xark> Cheery: I think the first few locations may be interrupt/reset vectors (and it makes sense it would then fall through to the start, or branch directly there for reset).
[20:09] <Cheery> oh that little.
[20:09] <Cheery> Xark: oh yeah. no branch here.
[20:10] <Cheery> or wait.. oh yes it has
[20:10] <Xark> Cheery: at 0...
[20:10] <Cheery> ldr pc, [pc, #0]
[20:11] <Cheery> Xark: it jumps into 0x8000
[20:11] <Cheery> though I wonder.. this means that this whole code will sit in start of the address space?
[20:11] <Xark> Cheery: Yes at the end (because of weird +8 PC as commented).
[20:12] <Cheery> great thing objdump comments that :)
[20:12] <Cheery> it'd be really cryptic otherwise as I didn't remember that oddity.
[20:12] <Xark> Cheery: Totally. :)
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[20:13] <Cheery> Xark: this is really simple code like I expected
[20:13] <Cheery> it's not setting interrupts or anything like that
[20:13] <Cheery> you can discard it.
[20:14] <Cheery> humm..
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[20:14] <Cheery> but am I seeing right? are here ppl with interests to low level programming of this thing more than just I?
[20:14] <ReggieUK> Cheery, yes :)
[20:14] <ReggieUK> kind of
[20:14] <Zagrophyte> Cheery: Define low level?
[20:15] <Zagrophyte> I will definitely be doing robotics and LED sign stuff when I get mine
[20:15] <Hydrazine> yes
[20:15] <Cheery> Zagrophyte: such things as writing linux drivers or using your own kernel.
[20:15] <ReggieUK> Cheery, most definitely
[20:15] <Hydrazine> yeah
[20:15] <Zagrophyte> Cheery: ah
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[20:15] <Hydrazine> I want a driver for the nrf24l01 wireless tranceivers
[20:16] <ReggieUK> I Thought you were talking about getting a u-boot port together kind of low-level
[20:16] <ReggieUK> so before linux
[20:16] <Hydrazine> fastest way is to write it myself I think
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[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Fastest way is to offer a bounty.
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[20:16] <Cheery> ReggieUK: well I wonder about anything that makes you care about assembled ARM.
[20:16] <Hydrazine> SpeedEvil: true
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Or some other chocolate bar.
[20:17] <Hydrazine> I think 5 cookies would be a nice reward :P
[20:17] <ReggieUK> I think there might already be code in the wild for a nrf24l01 linux driver
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[20:17] <Hydrazine> hmmm
[20:17] <Hydrazine> makes sense somehow
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Start searching menuconfig for nrf2401
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> or nrf24
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> and nortel
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> and then start looking for out-of-tree efforts
[20:18] <ReggieUK> Cheery, because I had to mess about with uboot .S files to get the 64MB of ram I reflowed onto a digital photoframe to get u-boot and the kernel to see it properly
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:19] <Cheery> Has anyone here gotten on to setting interrupt tables for ARM yet?
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[20:20] <ReggieUK> kind of
[20:20] <ReggieUK> erm, no, scrub that
[20:21] <Cheery> maybe I'll find it from google.. wondering just why didn't I do this before
[20:21] <ReggieUK> do what?
[20:21] <mozzwald> anybody tried usb ethernet adapter (other than builtin)?
[20:21] <Cheery> a search..
[20:22] <Cheery> if I assume rpi doesn't have unique interrupt handling.. I'll find info about it from web
[20:22] <ReggieUK> it will be specific but not unique I would've thought
[20:23] <Hydrazine> can't find anythingfor the nrf2401 atm, maybe I'll just try to write one, worst case: I learn something new
[20:25] <Cheery> alright.. so if this thing is correct... I should first program an interrupt controller
[20:25] <Xark> Cheery: Do you already have the (limited) datasheet released on the RPi CPU. That has some nice low-level RPi tidbits.
[20:25] <ReggieUK> Hydrazine, http://mbed.org/cookbook/nRF24L01-wireless-transceiver
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[20:25] <ReggieUK> and
[20:25] <ReggieUK> http://blog.163.com/jammy_lee/blog/static/101195478201016112945395/
[20:25] <Cheery> and ARM has a software?! handler for interrupts
[20:25] <Cheery> Xark: yes
[20:25] <ReggieUK> 2nd one needs google translate
[20:26] <ReggieUK> also here
[20:26] <ReggieUK> http://www.friendlyarm.net/forum/topic/2421
[20:26] <Cheery> and there's a specific interrupt control register which will be set
[20:27] <Cheery> so.. it is up to me what kind of interrupt table I do have?
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[20:28] <Cheery> I'd have to find code example from handling interrupts though..
[20:28] <Cheery> but now I know what I look for
[20:28] <Hydrazine> that second link looks like it has some usefull code
[20:28] <orzel> mm, 'unofficial', but still mentionned quite often by liz on blog posts
[20:30] <Cheery> hmm.. interrupt return.
[20:30] <Cheery> oh this thing should contain it all
[20:30] <Cheery> I save it for latre
[20:30] <Cheery> *later
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[20:31] <Cheery> of course I might be better off with official documentation.
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[20:31] <Cheery> but maybe this goes. .)
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[20:39] <Gadget-Mac> Are kernel panics useful do devs if they can be logged?
[20:40] <Zagrophyte> Gadget-Mac: Usually there is a code and a faulting module I think
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[20:40] <Zagrophyte> I've had to do serial logging by outputting kernel to the serial port to log some kernel panics
[20:41] <Xark> Gadget-Mac: They can be useful if they are rom a "known kernel" or you have the matching kernel symbols.
[20:41] <Xark> *from
[20:41] <Gadget-Mac> Zagrophyte: No problem getting serial logging running
[20:42] <Gadget-Mac> Xark: Whatever is in the debian image :)
[20:42] <BenO> Kernel logging is on by default through the UART
[20:43] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: Great :)
[20:43] <Xark> BenO: Neat. So you get 3.3v level serial on GPIO pins?
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[20:44] <BenO> indeed :)
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[20:45] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: Whats the default baud rate ?
[20:45] <BenO> Gadget-Mac, Xark, some info http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/raspberry-pis-onboard-serial-connection/
[20:45] <BenO> 115200
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[20:45] <Gadget-Mac> Cool.
[20:46] <Xark> BenO: Thanks!
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[21:06] <Gadget-Mac> Don't you hate it when that happens
[21:06] <Pedro-> chocolate dipped bacon?
[21:06] <Pedro-> that actually exists?
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[21:26] <mkopack> If anyone wants to see??? https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mak346/Mike%20Kopack%20CS636%20Assignments.html
[21:26] <mkopack> Assignment 2
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[21:27] <Matt> nifty
[21:28] <mkopack> I'm trying the last one now with 4x AA??? gonna take a while
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[21:31] <ReggieUK> at least the bunny won't be so jaggy
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[21:32] <mkopack> Well, that's a 1000 vertex model.. the penguin is like 2500
[21:32] <mkopack> I think the bunny looks pretty good as is! I'm more interested in seeing how much smoother a transition it'll be in the last image where the boundary between the penguin and the bunny is
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[21:33] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> nom nom nom
[21:33] <mkopack> without AA it's pretty jaggy
[21:33] <mkopack> with 2X it's a bit better
[21:33] <mkopack> hoping even better with 4x
[21:33] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> is this quake3?
[21:33] <mkopack> Nah, my Ray Tracer assignemnt
[21:33] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:33] <ReggieUK> quake3bunnyPenguinArena
[21:33] <mkopack> https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mak346/Mike%20Kopack%20CS636%20Assignments.html
[21:34] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> yeah you're right... can use a bit of AA
[21:34] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> or if u have an nvidia card FXAA >:)
[21:34] <mkopack> nah, we gotta do it all in software by hand,. don't even get to use Open GL for this class
[21:34] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> is it a highschool class?
[21:34] <mkopack> It's all about understanding all the internals of how ray tracing works
[21:34] <mkopack> Grad school
[21:35] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> wow ok i should stop talking
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[21:35] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> im still taking java :S
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[21:36] <mkopack> hehe, I've been programming in Java professionally since 1.0.2
[21:36] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:36] <mkopack> circa 1996/97
[21:36] <mkopack> Hell, I'm using Java to write this ray tracer
[21:37] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> which IDE do you use?
[21:37] <mkopack> When this class is over, I think I'm going to make some changes to make the code multithreaded. That would speed this up immensely.
[21:37] <mkopack> I'm a Netbeans guy??? I can use Eclipse, but I don't find it as intuitive as Netbeans
[21:37] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> i do C# mostly
[21:37] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> and Unity3d
[21:38] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> yeah i use netbeans
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[21:38] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> eclipse has some good plugins
[21:39] <tearsintherain> hi
[21:39] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> greetings
[21:40] <Matt> salutations
[21:42] <tearsintherain> how did the quake3 tournament go?
[21:43] <danieldaniel> if only I had a bigger SD card
[21:43] <danieldaniel> :(
[21:43] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> is 4GB enough?
[21:43] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> or should i get an 8GB?
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> i shouldn't really worry about it nwo though... ordered 2 weeks ago... prolly a month away :O
[21:44] <danieldaniel> i have 2gb
[21:44] <danieldaniel> :(
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:44] <tearsintherain> get 32gb to be safe
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> does the debian squeeze image fit on there?
[21:44] <Hydrazine> danieldaniel: can't you add an usb stick or something
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> yeah u can have an SD for boot and USB for storage
[21:44] <danieldaniel> Hydrazine: If I had a free USB port
[21:44] <danieldaniel> And I'm getting a USB hub
[21:44] <Hydrazine> 2GB is the minimum for the default image
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> use a hub
[21:44] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> yeah
[21:44] <tearsintherain> you can use the 2gb for openelec
[21:45] <Hydrazine> meh, mouses are overrated :P
[21:45] <tearsintherain> *mice
[21:45] <Hydrazine> oops
[21:45] <danieldaniel> Hydrazine: need it for quake3 :(
[21:45] <Hydrazine> ow
[21:46] <Gadget-Mac> BenO: Thanks , serial console up and running :)
[21:46] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> anybody here get their pi yet?
[21:47] <tearsintherain> I haven't ordered yet
[21:47] <Matt> several people have
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[21:47] * Hydrazine has one
[21:47] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> O RLY?
[21:47] <tearsintherain> If I order one now, should I get it by next week?
[21:47] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> doub it
[21:47] <tearsintherain> oh :(
[21:48] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> if u order now, expect an august/late july delivery
[21:48] <tearsintherain> I don't want to wait that long
[21:48] <danieldaniel> my dads getting an SD card nao
[21:48] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> well the sooner you order the sooner it comes
[21:48] <danieldaniel> tearsintherain: LOL
[21:48] <danieldaniel> tearsintherain: You wish!
[21:48] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> there's just a lot of demand atm
[21:49] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> does the pi support class 10 cards?
[21:49] <tearsintherain> HeavyWeaponsGuy: some
[21:49] <Matt> and those at reduced speed
[21:49] <Hydrazine> but get a class 6 card if you don't want any problems
[21:49] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> oh :S
[21:49] <Matt> I was about to say "current advice is to stick with class 6:
[21:50] <tearsintherain> there's a list on the elinux wiki
[21:50] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> so i guess a PCIe revodrive is out of the question?
[21:50] <Hydrazine> or a small SD card and a fast usb stick
[21:50] <Hydrazine> xD
[21:50] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> lol
[21:50] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> man i was gonna RAID some Vertex4's
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[21:51] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> hmmm can it run Monodevelop?
[21:51] <Hydrazine> hook up 1K worth of disk to a 35 dollar computer
[21:51] <Hydrazine> makes sense :P
[21:51] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> lol
[21:51] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> seems legit
[21:51] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> can it run mono tho?
[21:52] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> does mono even run on ARM?
[21:52] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:52] <Hydrazine> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/mono-working-on-raspberry-pi
[21:53] <Hydrazine> looks like it should work
[21:53] <tearsintherain> do you want the left channel or the right?
[21:53] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> "If you are referring to Mononucleosis, the infectious "kissing disease," then I strongly suspect that your Pi won"t get it, no matter how much you kiss it. If you are still worried, then try installing an anti-virus program."
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[21:53] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> i should prolly get norton360 for it :O
[21:53] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[21:53] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> norton sux omg
[21:54] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> kaspersky ftw
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[21:54] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> avg is ok too
[21:54] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> i use mse on my other pc
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[21:56] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> wtf mono is spanish for monkey?
[21:56] <danieldaniel> yeah
[21:56] <danieldaniel> You didn't know that/
[21:56] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> dude im chinese
[21:57] <danieldaniel> i'm from amurica
[21:57] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> well im in america
[21:57] <mkopack> F-Yeah!
[21:57] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:57] <danieldaniel> from*
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[21:57] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> did ur raytracer work?
[21:57] <danieldaniel> wait, I did say that
[21:57] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> :O
[21:58] <danieldaniel> Guest71926: Y U NO NICKNAME
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[21:58] <HeavyWeaponsGuy> umad?
[21:58] <danieldaniel> n00b
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[21:58] <danieldaniel> imad
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[22:02] <Guest82451> whats despotify?
[22:02] <mkopack> open srouce spotify client
[22:02] <mkopack> music playing service
[22:02] <Guest82451> spotify used to be alright, but it just got worse and worse
[22:03] <Guest82451> it was much better before it was europe only
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[22:04] <Guest82451> http://i.imgur.com/8G330.gif
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[22:20] <koaschten_> http://www.techpowerup.com/164957/Adafruit-Intros-Prototyping-Kit-for-Raspberry-Pi.html
[22:21] <Guest82451> that should have been the original pcb colour
[22:22] <mkopack> sad thing is, that board will probably cost as much as the Pi did!
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[22:22] <pilotguide> Hi Guys... How's your pi?
[22:22] <Gadget-Mac> I'd have preferred to see something with buffered IO.
[22:22] <mkopack> Still in a chinese factory
[22:23] <pilotguide> I wanted to ask for a little assistance getting quake3 working.
[22:23] <pilotguide> on the pi
[22:23] <Guest82451> pilotguide: have you tried hexxeh's binaries?
[22:24] <mkopack> ok, think I'm gonna go take the dog for a walk around the park???
[22:24] <Guest82451> hooters
[22:24] <pilotguide> I did download hexeh's binaries. However it is asking for pak0.pk3
[22:25] <Guest82451> pilotguide: you need to have a legit copy of quake3
[22:25] <pilotguide> gotcha! I'l have to go find a copy...
[22:25] <pilotguide> Thanks
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[22:29] <Matt> I actually found my config directory from my old workstation
[22:29] <Matt> so I have my CD key now :)
[22:29] <danieldaniel> Everyone who can get on quake get on
[22:29] <danieldaniel> :D
[22:29] <Matt> I'm just heading out :)
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[22:29] <danieldaniel> its the, like, one server that works for me
[22:29] <danieldaniel> :(
[22:30] <Matt> also, I'm not running on a pi :)
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[22:30] <danieldaniel> :(
[22:30] <danieldaniel> Pis only!
[22:30] <danieldaniel> Matt: n00b
[22:30] <danieldaniel> :3
[22:30] <Matt> :P
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[22:31] <Guest82451> quake 3 arena?
[22:31] <danieldaniel> yeah
[22:31] <danieldaniel> the demo is OK
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[22:42] <D34TH> danieldaniel connecting :D
[22:45] <D34TH> its downloading files
[22:46] <pilotguide> would there be a url for install instructions once I get the demo?
[22:50] <D34TH> pilotguide what irc client are you using
[22:50] <pilotguide> just in the java client
[22:51] <pilotguide> @freenode java client
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[23:05] <paulmaidment> Hi all
[23:06] <paulmaidment> I have a question regarding the ARM platform on which the Pi runs
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[23:06] <IT_Sean> What's that, paulmaidment
[23:06] <IT_Sean> ?
[23:06] <paulmaidment> I am trying to compile a driver for a wifi device from source
[23:06] <paulmaidment> and in the compilation manual, they list 3 arm targets
[23:06] <paulmaidment> ARM_S3C2K4
[23:06] <paulmaidment> ARM_PXA2XX
[23:07] <paulmaidment> and finally ARM_S3C6K4
[23:07] <paulmaidment> I wonder if anyone here is familiar with these or may know which one (if any) is a suitable target for the ARM code which a Pi can run
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[23:08] <IT_Sean> I haven't the foggiest, but, I'm sure someone else may be able to help you.
[23:08] <IT_Sean> Have you tried posting your question on the forum, as well?
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[23:09] <paulmaidment> I will do that, just taking a fairly casual look at it this evening as am in the middle of other stuff, just popped in here to see if anyone knew a 'quick answer'
[23:09] <paulmaidment> but will post in forum also, later when I get some time :)
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[23:17] <paulmaidment> OK, reading this makefile a bit further, I guess I just need to know if the BCM2835 is little or big endian, does anyone know?
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[23:21] <IT_Sean> iirc, it's bi-endian
[23:21] <paulmaidment> so it can be flexible, you can switch it?
[23:22] <IT_Sean> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/endian
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[23:22] <lars_t_h> paulmaidment, IT_Sean http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/Cdfbbchb.html
[23:22] <paulmaidment> Brilliant, thank you
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[23:23] <paulmaidment> ah ok, makes sense, default behaviour is little endian unless made to do otherwise
[23:24] <paulmaidment> thanks for this info, awesome :)
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[23:54] <paulmaidment> hi guys, one quick question, does anyone know the quick way to get the kernel sources using apt-get, what is the package name?
[23:55] <Veryevil> best to use git
[23:55] <Veryevil> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[23:56] <paulmaidment> ok, will give that a go

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