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IRC Log for 2012-04-30

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[0:00] <zgreg> did you guys read that thread above? sounds just as crazy and dead-before-it-even-started as the rhombus tech board
[0:00] <zleap> and vice versa if you want to use a computer to respond to input
[0:00] <danieldaniel> also, a random sad thing in my school
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[0:00] <danieldaniel> The school "IT" people have no idea what they're doing
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[0:00] <danieldaniel> kinda funny
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[0:00] <zleap> danieldaniel, par the course
[0:00] <danieldaniel> what?
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[0:01] <zleap> i tried to tell the techs at my college (back in 93) that i could access dos from the networked comptuers by typing shell in to basic, they didn't seem that interested
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[0:01] <plugwash> zleap, back in those days there wasn't much they could do about it even if they had wanted to
[0:02] <BenO> If you want to know how to get around a schools content firewall, ask the kids, not the teachers
[0:02] <danieldaniel> BenO: Forget about that
[0:02] <zleap> plugwash, actually the non networked comptuers the shell command was blocked from basic, it was a simp,e edit of the start up files
[0:02] <danieldaniel> I got full admin on the network
[0:02] <danieldaniel> And I lol'd
[0:02] <danieldaniel> I didn't do anything bad
[0:02] <danieldaniel> and I told them and showed them
[0:03] <danieldaniel> they didn't care
[0:03] <RBlunderbuss> anyone else remember tokenring?
[0:03] <flaushy> BenO: we had a teacher ask us how to block kids (k12) who use tor ;)
[0:03] <BenO> lol
[0:03] <zleap> a lad here did that, he saw paswords on the whiteboard, that were there as examples and he managfed to hack in to the school IT system
[0:03] <danieldaniel> flaushy: LOL
[0:03] <zleap> he got expelled
[0:03] <danieldaniel> zleap: I didn't hack anythin
[0:03] <danieldaniel> It was really funny actually
[0:04] <zleap> i know i was just saying what happened here,
[0:04] <danieldaniel> it was the simplest thing
[0:04] <danieldaniel> eah
[0:04] <danieldaniel> yeah(
[0:04] <BenO> I got threatened with suspension for putting games on the old library terminals ...
[0:04] <BenO> ;)
[0:04] <danieldaniel> lol
[0:04] <zleap> you don't need to try to hack sometimes its like leaving your front door open and someone walks in, they have not technically broken in
[0:04] <danieldaniel> getting back to the school thing
[0:04] <danieldaniel> I showed this person my raspberry pi
[0:04] <flaushy> zleap: not using shadows on university infrastructure -.-
[0:05] <danieldaniel> And the first question they asked was "Can It play modern warfare 2?"\]
[0:05] <zleap> flaushy, it seems some systems are not set up securly so getting in is as easy
[0:05] <flaushy> zleap: we had a 8char limit on passwords as well... 40k accounts
[0:05] <zleap> flaushy, ouch
[0:06] <danieldaniel> o.o
[0:06] <zleap> they should have 8 character min limit
[0:06] <danieldaniel> flaushy: You're kidding, right?
[0:06] <flaushy> danieldaniel: big infrastructure, it is common
[0:06] <bikcmp> lol
[0:06] <bikcmp> ick
[0:06] <danieldaniel> wow
[0:06] <flaushy> nis legacy crap from the past
[0:07] <flaushy> used in 2008 :(
[0:07] <danieldaniel> I have to go for a bit
[0:07] <danieldaniel> I'll cya later
[0:07] <zleap> OK
[0:08] <flaushy> btw openarena server 2 bots 15% load on pi ;)
[0:08] <BenO> Reminded me, saw this kid trying to 'hex' his way into a commodore PET ;) http://yfrog.com/z/obv0ceaj
[0:08] <zleap> flaushy, cool
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[0:08] <zleap> yeah liam set up a raspPI open arena deathmatch game the other day
[0:08] <flaushy> cool :)
[0:08] <flaushy> i did set it up aoucple of hours ago, cand confed it
[0:09] <flaushy> (read: i hit aptitude install)
[0:09] <zleap> would be good to do one at the rugby club, a few netbooks, +rasp pis plugged in to the tvs
[0:11] <zleap> it seems odd that schools won't let you play games and yet, they may end up teaching python + pygame designed to make games
[0:11] <danieldaniel> nvm, I'm back
[0:11] <Kushan> Schools generally don't let you murder people, either, but they'll still teach you about WWII
[0:11] <zleap> yeah
[0:12] <D34TH> heh
[0:12] <zleap> well the idea of teaching history is so your generation don'tmake the same errors, shame the people that make the curriculum can't learn from history themselves
[0:12] <BenO> zleap, Shhush!! This is only sneaking in because they don't realise what it is!
[0:12] <zleap> ok
[0:12] <BenO> game making in schools that is ;)
[0:12] <D34TH> "Tired of schools proxy? learn how to make proxy PiPass in rpiology"
[0:13] <flaushy> hmm we played with lego in school :)
[0:13] <D34TH> :"3
[0:13] <BenO> ;)
[0:13] <flaushy> and in university too :)
[0:13] <Kushan> To be fair, some schools do let you play games
[0:13] <Kushan> it all just depends on how they decide to teach stuff
[0:13] <flaushy> we started learning java by writing a portscanner
[0:13] <flaushy> i found that very neat of the teacher to give such examples ^^
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[0:14] <zleap> yeah lets learn databases = boring i guess, learn how to make adatabase as a game backend is probably more interesting
[0:14] <D34TH> i recently wrote a rangescanner in python to let me know what ip's are active
[0:14] <flaushy> zleap: yeah
[0:14] <zleap> what worries me is that some schools will do the former
[0:14] <flaushy> that is what i hate about the "math teachers with a bit of computing in ITclasses"
[0:15] <zleap> also will this new curriculum be exam based,
[0:15] <flaushy> but... i am long out of school :)
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[0:15] <zleap> i would argue a good programmer can work as part of a team, and programming is a team effort
[0:16] <zleap> how do people define the word hacker
[0:16] <zleap> in a person who writes programs, or a person that breask in to computer systems
[0:16] <zleap> or even the term hacker
[0:16] <flaushy> we work on getting the old definitions back, about the enthusiasts
[0:17] <zleap> yes
[0:17] <flaushy> therefore we chose the name hackerspace bremen and not some fancy nice sounding stuff
[0:17] <flaushy> and everyone from us stands up and explains the term, every time :)
[0:17] <zleap> thate goodf
[0:17] <flaushy> and eventually, that will make the difference
[0:18] <zleap> i wanted to call my group hacker group but the people at the youth service didn't really like the idfea
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[0:18] <flaushy> hehe :)
[0:18] <zleap> idea of using hacker, despite me explaing the original term
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[0:18] <flaushy> yeah, a couple of km away they called the hackerspace "kreativit??t trifft technik" (creativity meets technology)
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[0:18] <zleap> hmm
[0:19] <Hydrazine> those days when nothing works >:(
[0:19] <flaushy> which is nice as well, and they get good funding (due to being very active)
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[0:19] <zleap> people (esp) kids are not stupid explain why we use that term they understand
[0:19] <flaushy> yeah, we need to claim it back
[0:19] <zleap> IIRC alt-sysrq is stil the kernel hacking option
[0:20] <zleap> in Linujx
[0:20] <zleap> linux
[0:20] <zleap> we have kernel hackers rather than kernel developers
[0:20] <flaushy> media pushed the term very far into the illegal area, ccc did a good job recently to claim it back in germany and got very positive reputation in mainstream media
[0:20] <zleap> sounds good
[0:20] <zleap> we need to claim a lot back
[0:21] <flaushy> yepe
[0:21] <zleap> like freedom etc
[0:21] <flaushy> hmm yeah :)
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> Also - old journalists have died
[0:22] <zleap> rproblem with the term hacker is its wrong, cracker is the right term, as we have safe crackers (rather than safe hackers)
[0:22] <zleap> safe - asin the item you put money in and lock it
[0:22] <flaushy> hmm ... we need something like freedom speakers for electronics :)
[0:22] <zleap> so the media get it wrong by using that term bady
[0:22] <zleap> as you said
[0:23] <zleap> brb
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[0:26] <flaushy> Hexxeh: how many players can a rpi handle in an openarena match?
[0:26] <danieldaniel> Lets test!
[0:26] <tpresence> lol
[0:27] <tpresence> I havent even tried it yet
[0:27] <flaushy> does anyone have a nice cfg?
[0:28] <danieldaniel> Now I _really_ have to go for a bit
[0:28] <danieldaniel> cya
[0:28] <tpresence> 3620174426: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version
[0:28] <tpresence> * failed to open vchiq instance
[0:29] <tpresence> does it not work well over x?
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[0:30] <zleap> back
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[0:31] <zleap> wb danieldaniel
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[0:34] <tpresence> how did you guys get quake 3 running?
[0:34] <zleap> tpresence, has liam done a tutorial for that ?
[0:34] <tpresence> no idea
[0:35] <flaushy> tpresence: openarena installed fine on my rpi, but i only used server
[0:35] <tpresence> Im just trying to run the game
[0:35] <BenO> either compile it yourself from the source, or get some pre-built binaries
[0:35] <tpresence> I got pre-built
[0:35] <BenO> then track down the pak files
[0:35] <tpresence> but apparently its for a different plat
[0:35] <BenO> and put them in baseq3
[0:36] <BenO> tpresence, You need the ioquake3 port
[0:36] <BenO> https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[0:36] <Veryevil> has any one tried to get Quake 4 runnng? http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/Quake4FrontPage/
[0:36] <BenO> Someone did link to some prebuilt binaries earlier, but not sure what that link was
[0:37] <BenO> Veryevil, Is there an OpenGL ES port for that?
[0:37] <Veryevil> it uses SDL so im guessing it is do-able
[0:37] <BenO> There must be a Dead Space opengles port... not open though
[0:37] <RBlunderbuss> there's a doom one
[0:37] <Veryevil> check the page
[0:38] <BenO> Veryevil, page checked, nothing about OpenGL ES? that I saw anyhow]
[0:39] <Veryevil> isnt it that same as quake 3 in that the game uses SDL and SDL can be compiled for OpenGL ES
[0:40] <BenO> SDL isn't used in the port for anything other than kbd+mouse input
[0:40] <BenO> it just provides a surface for the OpenGL ES context to render onto
[0:40] <BenO> but OpenGL and OpenGL ES 2.0 are two different beasts
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[0:42] <tpresence> installing libsdl and other shit now
[0:42] <tpresence> about 10k packages
[0:42] <tpresence> lol
[0:42] <Davespice> wow, Error establishing a database connection - is back!
[0:43] <BenO> tpresence, for the build?
[0:43] <tpresence> yep
[0:43] <tpresence> dont have sdl-config
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[0:46] <BenO> tpresence, ah yeah, you need the header files
[0:46] <BenO> Dom hasn't included them in the quake3 repo
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[0:50] <Hopsy> does anyone know a good tool to recover hdd?
[0:51] <Matt> dd_rescue
[0:52] <Matt> get yourself another disk that's the same size or larger, then run dd_rescue from the failing disk to the new one
[0:52] <Matt> then if you're being ambitious, do it again
[0:52] <Matt> then you can work on the clone with filesystem repair utilities
[0:52] <Matt> if you're lucky, fsck will be enough
[0:53] <Matt> if not, there's other stuff that can try and identify files
[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> TestDisk and recovermyfiles could help too
[0:55] * Dagger2 prefers `zpool replace` or `mdadm --manage`
[0:56] <Dagger2> but hey, if you don't care about your data...
[0:56] <flaushy> Dagger2: illumos?
[0:56] <Veryevil> just dug out an old box of game, find my Quake 3 CD case. Open it, its empty. Swear!
[0:56] <Dagger2> flaushy: ZFS-on-Linux nowadays, though I have one Nexenta VM
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[0:57] <flaushy> Dagger2: does it work nicely?
[0:57] <Dagger2> which I can't update because they discontinued NexentaCP :/
[0:57] <Veryevil> for no particular reason look inside unreal tournament 2004, Contains correct disc but then behind that is Quake 3. Woooo!
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[0:58] <dh__> any new breakthroughs on the pi front?
[0:59] <dmsuse> nah
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> overclocked to 3GHz and running x86 now.
[0:59] <Dagger2> ZoL? it has some problems. I'd be hesitant to use it on a production server, but for home use it's perfectly fine, and not having to deal with Solaris helps a lot
[0:59] <D34TH> heh shift mines @ 4ghz x64
[0:59] <dh__> can it run crysis?
[0:59] <Veryevil> anyway to slow down cd spinning. Think the game is gonna explode!
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:00] <Dagger2> (the problems are stability/memory related. it'll keep your data perfectly safe, but may need reboots due to hangs)
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> Veryevil: Cover it in honey
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[1:02] <Veryevil> its just the files from baseq3 right?
[1:02] <BenO> Or rebalance the disc by taking a 1/2inch cut from one side...
[1:02] <BenO> Veryevil, pak0 -> pak whatever, yes :)
[1:03] <Veryevil> I've heard stories of very old cds shattering in new disc drives as they where never designed to spin so fast
[1:03] <flaushy> Dagger2: thx :)
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[1:05] <Hopsy> Matt: and ShiftPlusOne I am using photorec now
[1:05] <Hopsy> I dont know what I should choose here? http://gyazo.com/cf7e9e4afe3b30e6a18eea6b4ab9e82d.png?1335740005
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[1:32] <danieldaniel> back
[1:33] <danieldaniel> g2g
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[1:57] <tpresence> hmm
[1:57] <tpresence> doesnt compile
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[2:11] <prox_> so are they shipping raspberrpis yet?
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[2:11] * tpresence has a battery backup.
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[2:11] <Matt> hey sean
[2:12] <IT_Sean> hello matt
[2:12] * Matt had a quick venture down into your country today
[2:12] <IT_Sean> prox, people are receiving raspis. Have you ordered yet?
[2:12] <Matt> not completely unproductive either
[2:12] <IT_Sean> Oh, you did, matt?
[2:12] <IT_Sean> where too?
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[2:12] <Matt> buffalo
[2:12] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:12] <tpresence> ewwww
[2:12] <Matt> not terribly exciting
[2:12] <tpresence> couldnt get out of it
[2:12] <IT_Sean> not really "near" me :p
[2:12] <tpresence> ?
[2:13] <plugwash> prox_, both farnell and RS shipped the first lot (their shares of 700 each from the 2K), I beleive in the next week or so they should be receiving their shares of the 8K and will be shiping those
[2:13] <Matt> no, but the same country :)
[2:13] <tpresence> thats almost bad as new jersey
[2:13] <Matt> lol
[2:13] <plugwash> with volume production to start rolling soon after that
[2:13] <IT_Sean> tpresence, watch it.
[2:13] <prox_> yeah I ordered mine from newark a long time ago
[2:13] <DaQatz> Wish they would ship mine.
[2:13] <IT_Sean> I registered interest
[2:13] <tpresence> sean: you arent in jersey are ya?
[2:13] <DaQatz> People who order after me already got theirs.
[2:13] <IT_Sean> tpresence, i am
[2:13] * DaQatz grumbles, and complains.
[2:13] <tpresence> weehaken?
[2:14] <IT_Sean> no
[2:14] <Matt> just a quick trip to grab some stuff from walmart, wegmans, target and a wander round the waldon galleria
[2:14] <IT_Sean> not peehawken
[2:14] <tpresence> lol
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[2:15] <tpresence> and the compile keeps going on
[2:19] <prox_> i ordered mine on march 10th, last thing I ever got was an email saying it would be here in Texas in August
[2:20] <prox_> actually im pretty sure i ordered it before march
[2:21] * IT_Sean wants a raspi
[2:21] <prox_> it still says expected ship date aug 16th on newarks website
[2:21] <prox_> :/ is that true?
[2:21] <plugwash> afaict expected ship dates from the farnell group don't mean much
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[2:22] <shirro> !w
[2:22] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Mon Apr 30 15:00:00 2012. Temp 17??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 52%.
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[2:23] <tpresence> what pi package has GLES?
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[2:25] <shirro> which distro. it isn't packaged in debian. just plonked in /opt
[2:26] <tpresence> so I have to -I/opt/vc/include then
[2:26] <shirro> yep
[2:26] <shirro> you might have the libraries in /etc/ld.so.conf.d already
[2:27] <shirro> so linking should be ok. just need the include path
[2:28] <tpresence> :(
[2:28] <shirro> why so sad?
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[2:32] <shirro> If opengl es is cut down from the full version I hate to imagine what full opengl is like. My poor brain.
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[2:33] <shirro> tpresence: what are you building?
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[2:35] <Crenn-NAS> !w
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[2:38] <lowquark> A little birdie told me newark should be sending weekly emails to those who have expressed interest
[2:38] <lowquark> Has anyone else received any emails?
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[2:38] <prox_> no emails here
[2:38] <lowquark> ok
[2:39] <Crenn-NAS> prox_: You should get an email soon letting you know of the day your Pi is due to be shipped. If you ordered before April 18th, you should get it by the end of June. That is what Newark/element14/Farnell is saying at this time
[2:39] <shirro> i'm waiting on the rs email now for number 2.
[2:39] <prox_> good hopefully
[2:39] <JeremyF_> i found this hidden away on the wiki: http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping
[2:39] <lowquark> Were they doing preorders at one point?
[2:39] <JeremyF_> helpful if you haven't recieved an email with a date yet
[2:40] <Crenn-NAS> prox_: I ordered on the 1st of march, I have a date for the week of May 29th
[2:40] <Crenn-NAS> lowquark: Someone sent me a direct link
[2:40] <JeremyF_> i see. what country are you? (not that it really matters
[2:40] <lowquark> Crenn-NAS: I checked every now and then and it said they were preordering
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[2:40] <lowquark> so I did
[2:40] <danieldaniel> just wondering
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[2:41] <danieldaniel> is it OK to put wires that come from four batteries onto the wall charger
[2:41] <lowquark> And that was beore april 18th
[2:41] <danieldaniel> and power the Pi with that?
[2:41] <IT_Sean> wait... what?
[2:41] <danieldaniel> idk, i want to try it
[2:42] <lowquark> danieldaniel: Parallel or series?
[2:42] <JeremyF_> not quite sure what you mean daniel tbh
[2:42] <JeremyF_> but idk i'm tired
[2:42] <danieldaniel> lowquark: I don't know :(
[2:42] <danieldaniel> Its one of those battery packs from radioshack
[2:42] <danieldaniel> you put the wires in them
[2:42] <danieldaniel> i mean
[2:42] <lowquark> That's series then
[2:42] <danieldaniel> the batteries in them
[2:42] <danieldaniel> and there are two wires
[2:42] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:42] <danieldaniel> would it work?
[2:42] <IT_Sean> you need some sort of regulation
[2:42] <danieldaniel> I also attached a switch
[2:42] <lowquark> but 4*1.5 = 6.0v
[2:42] <shirro> put a meter on it. If the "wires" measure 5V you are ok
[2:43] <danieldaniel> its 6v
[2:43] <danieldaniel> well
[2:43] <danieldaniel> lemme make sure
[2:43] <shirro> lowquark: depends on the batetry technology really
[2:43] <JeremyF_> too much
[2:43] <Crenn-NAS> lowquark: I assume you mean 1.2V per cell
[2:43] <JeremyF_> if 6
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[2:43] * danieldaniel takes out multimeter
[2:43] <IT_Sean> you need 5v. And you can't get 5v from AAs without some sort of voltage regulator
[2:43] <JeremyF_> actually i have aa's tthat put out 1.2 each, sean
[2:43] <danieldaniel> 6.455
[2:43] <IT_Sean> ahh
[2:43] <JeremyF_> way too much
[2:43] <lowquark> Crenn-NAS: Either way, once you use them the voltage will drop
[2:44] <IT_Sean> well, 4 of those would be 4.8v.
[2:44] <IT_Sean> at best
[2:44] <Crenn-NAS> True
[2:44] <shirro> drop it with a resistor
[2:44] <hamitron> 4 x AA Rechargable @ 4.8V be ok?
[2:44] <JeremyF_> fully charged yes
[2:44] <IT_Sean> so, the piprobably wont work too well, or for too long on a 4.8 v pack
[2:44] <danieldaniel> i have a resistor
[2:44] <JeremyF_> but when drop under 4.4v ish it starts going bad hypothetically
[2:44] <hamitron> tbh, there are cheap USB power packs
[2:44] <danieldaniel> its 470 ohms
[2:44] <lowquark> Don't use straight resistors
[2:44] <IT_Sean> i mean, you won't fry anything, but, it'll drop off really fast.
[2:44] <lowquark> get a 7805
[2:44] <shirro> drop it with diodes
[2:45] <danieldaniel> i don't have any
[2:45] <danieldaniel> i just happened to have these
[2:45] <lowquark> Use 5 batteries
[2:45] <lowquark> and a 7805 5v regulator
[2:45] <danieldaniel> Where can I get that?
[2:45] <shirro> get a usb phone charger
[2:45] <lowquark> I did that with my mp3 player once upon a time
[2:45] <lowquark> digikey, jameco
[2:45] <lowquark> they're everywhere
[2:45] <danieldaniel> how big are thye?
[2:46] <danieldaniel> price?
[2:46] <lowquark> Smaller than your thumb
[2:46] <shirro> How much above 5v does your input need to be for a 7805?
[2:46] <lowquark> I would say over 7 volts
[2:46] <tpresence> http://i.imgur.com/zLxEG.gif
[2:46] <tpresence> BWAAAHAHAHAHA
[2:46] <lowquark> you can look at the specs to make sure
[2:46] <danieldaniel> mine is 6.455
[2:46] <shirro> lowquark: me too. Ithink you would need more batteries
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[2:46] <danieldaniel> My pack only supports 4
[2:46] <Crenn-NAS> danieldaniel: Most 7805s are in a TO-220 package
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[2:47] <lowquark> shirro: Yeah, but you still have more time at 5 volts than with just batteries
[2:47] <Crenn-NAS> You also want a couple of capacitors to go with that linear regulator
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[2:47] <Crenn-NAS> Also, beware of the voltage dropout
[2:47] <danieldaniel> tpresence: LOL
[2:48] <Crenn-NAS> tpresence: Did you get that email?
[2:48] <ReggieUK> should really look at better than a 7805
[2:48] <ReggieUK> micrel do some nice variable and preset voltage LDOs
[2:48] <lowquark> tpresence: Did you get that email?
[2:48] <lowquark> whoa
[2:48] <lowquark> didn't see that's exactly what you said
[2:49] <lowquark> ReggieUK: Why do you say?
[2:49] <danieldaniel> if I plug it in right now
[2:49] <danieldaniel> what will happen?
[2:49] <danieldaniel> BOOM?
[2:49] <danieldaniel> Blue smoke?
[2:49] <lowquark> It will have too much voltage
[2:49] <danieldaniel> ok
[2:49] <danieldaniel> :(
[2:49] <lowquark> It might smell funny
[2:49] <ReggieUK> 7805 is fine if that's what you've got
[2:49] <lowquark> Dunno
[2:50] <lowquark> ReggieUK: It's not like the rapi is going to be changing nominal voltages anytime soon
[2:50] <shirro> danieldaniel: put the batteries on a load that is the same as the Pi and then measure the voltage.
[2:50] <shirro> like perhaps someone elses Pi
[2:50] <lowquark> Wasn't the max like 700ma?
[2:51] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: It's basically the 'swiss army knife' of 5V Linear REgs, if you're a beginner to such things, then having a different regulator could be a little confusing
[2:51] <ReggieUK> sore but 7805s aren't particularly efficient
[2:51] <ReggieUK> sure*
[2:51] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Linear Regulators aren't known for their efficiency
[2:52] <shirro> Even i know what a 7805 is. They are like the 555 of voltage regulators. They are ubiquitous.
[2:52] <ReggieUK> and really? 3 pins, input voltage, output voltage and gnd, should that be confusing?
[2:52] <hamitron> when you look at the price of AA, I'd just get a cheap all-in-one solution for usb devices ;)
[2:52] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: It's more the capcitors I'm thinking about ;P
[2:53] <JeremyF_> i agree with hamitron (although you do have to factor in recharging of the portable usb pack)
[2:53] <ReggieUK> indeed
[2:53] <shirro> Rechargeable USB phone charger thingies look good. I wonder if any can handle the current required for the Pi?
[2:53] <plugwash> ReggieUK: It's basically the 'swiss army knife' of 5V Linear REgs <-- not really, it's an old design and crappy by modern standards (high dropout voltage for example)
[2:53] <plugwash> people just use it because it's cheap and it's what they have always used
[2:54] <shirro> plugwash: Is there anything as simple to use that is switching and can buck and boost?
[2:54] <Crenn-NAS> plugwash: In an ideal world, I'd suggest a SMPS ;D
[2:55] <JeremyF_> reply to shirro from a bit back: http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP70D-Thunderbolt-Blackberry/dp/B002D4IHYM -- confirmed working according to wiki
[2:55] <Crenn-NAS> plugwash: I'm not arguing about the high dropout voltage
[2:55] <Crenn-NAS> But usually it's what is laying around, so it is what is used
[2:55] <ReggieUK> people use them because that's what radio shack and maplin have *always* got in stock more like
[2:55] <shirro> JeremyF_: Thanks. I guess if it can power an iPad it can power anything
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[2:56] <plugwash> shirro: there are switched mode conveter modules that are trivial to use but most of them only convert downwards
[2:57] <plugwash> though given the Pis relatively high power consumption i'd just use a string of batteries long enough that only being able to convert one way wasn't a problem
[2:57] <ReggieUK> plenty of boost converters out there
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[2:57] <shirro> plugwash: i guess the batteries will not last long once the voltage starts to drop right down anyway
[2:57] <ReggieUK> what is the current draw of the pi btw?
[2:58] <hamitron> depends what it is doing?
[2:58] <shirro> it would be good to give the pi a low voltage signal on a gpio so it could shut down
[2:58] <ReggieUK> whatever is considered a full load on the pi?
[2:58] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: 700mA on full load
[2:59] <ReggieUK> not too bad then
[2:59] <Crenn-NAS> Exxcluding peripherials
[3:00] <ReggieUK> I've got batteries sorted for mine :)
[3:00] <ReggieUK> 2x 12v 7ah and 2x 12v 2400mah
[3:01] <dmsuse> how can it be 700 when usb ports are only 500 ?
[3:01] <shirro> ReggieUK: And a 7805 with a really big heatsink?
[3:02] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: I'll have a big honking LiPo for the application I want ;D 11.1V 3S 5Ah LiPo
[3:03] <Crenn-NAS> dmsuse: That's the Broadcom SoC itself, not anything on USB
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[3:03] <shirro> Messing with LiPo seems like a good way to burn your house down. With kids around I think I would prefer marine gel cells.
[3:04] <Crenn-NAS> And USB Ports support more than 500mA depending on which standard you look at
[3:04] <dmsuse> Crenn-NAS: uh? usb ports on laptops/inverters and every other place i have seen only give out a max of 500ma
[3:04] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Only if you're reckless
[3:05] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: Or just don't know what you are doing - which would be me.
[3:05] <Crenn-NAS> I store my model's LiPos in a special bag for that purpose
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[3:06] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: I've seen someone plugged 2 LiPos together, let's just say the connectors were melted ;D
[3:06] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: There is certainlly reason to be concerned about it
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[3:09] <danieldaniel> o.o
[3:09] <danieldaniel> My dads car has a wifi hotspot
[3:09] * danieldaniel runs to car with raspberry pi
[3:10] <Crenn-NAS> I have a wifi hotspot in my pocket ;D
[3:10] <Crenn-NAS> Pity the 3G network is slow in Australia
[3:10] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: It isn't that bad.
[3:11] <danieldaniel> My phone has a wifi hotspot
[3:11] <shirro> It doesn't help when the providers put you through underpowered transparent proxies that break all the time
[3:11] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Depends on your location really
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[3:12] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Where about are you? I'm currently at my university at Hawthorn, Victoria
[3:13] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: Country town. No big buildings or congestion. Mobile is great. Telstra anyway. Optus need a UPS on their tower because every time the power goes, so does their network :-)
[3:13] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: Just across the SA border from Mildura
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[3:14] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok, I'm on the optus network via a 3rd party provider, cheap but data stops often
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[3:21] <shirro> I hope there are Raspberry Pi streams/miniconfs at OSDC and Linux.conf.au. It will be interesting to see what people are doing with them first hand.
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[3:24] <shirro> I don't use Python much but Pycon might attract some Pi stuff given its status as the "official" language.
[3:26] <aft3rmath> im learning php but plan on learning python next
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[3:29] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: I will be playing around setting it up as a server
[3:31] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: A bit underpowered as a server for me. I have an Intel box for home media server and Linodes for Internet stuff. I am interested in learning some graphics programming because it is way outside my comfort zone. It am just procrastinating at the moment though because stuff isn't quite clicking together in my head.
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[3:33] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: My current NAS/server is 200MHz ARM
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[3:34] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: I have a couple of wifi routers with usb. I must admit I have never plugged anything into them apart form a printer or usb stick. I get too impatient.
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[3:45] <ReggieUK> hey guys, I found a lot of useful videos on here via youtube
[3:45] <ReggieUK> http://thenewboston.org/tutorials.php
[3:46] <ReggieUK> the C++ ones are pretty decent
[3:47] <ReggieUK> looks like the python ones could be useful to all you guys learning python on the pi
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[3:48] <shirro> ReggieUK: The computer game one uses pygame as well
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[3:54] <ReggieUK> :)
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[5:36] <tpresence> how do you install opengl on the pi?
[5:36] <tpresence> GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean open gl ES?
[5:38] <tpresence> well
[5:38] <tpresence> whatever quake needs :D
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> there is no opengl on embedded systems
[5:38] <tpresence> can you be running X and run quake
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll wait for someone else to answer, I haven't played around iwth it yet.
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[5:59] <shirro> tpresence: your game or library will need to be written for opengl es 1.1 or 2.0. Additionally it will need to do some additional setup for the native window system (which is a broadcom thing called dispmanx) when it initialises EGL. The EGL stuff is something that should covered in a library like SDL but may need to be ported. If the game isn't written for ES that would be a lot more work.
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[6:04] <shirro> The bcm_host_init and the dispman stuff is really easy though. You can cut and paste and have a gles demo running in no time.
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[6:08] <mpthompson> How are things out in pi-land? I hope people are interested in a hard float Debian port. I've been working hard to move it along.
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[6:15] <RBlunderbuss> yo yo
[6:19] <shirro> mpthompson: def will be moving to raspbian soonish.
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[6:29] <RBlunderbuss> any new big updates or releases?
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[6:30] <tpresence> I compiled quake3 and its bitching about opengl
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[8:11] <shigawire> FWIW, I managed to get GnuRadio compiling on the rpi on the weekend
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[8:12] <shigawire> Someone had hardcoded an assumption that the ARM builds all were running on cortexs
[8:12] <shigawire> (including with some inlined assembly using the FPU)
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[8:30] <RITRedbeard> nobody is taking me seriously, tonight
[8:37] <clonak> tried being serious ?
[8:39] <RITRedbeard> extra mild serious
[8:40] <clonak> Hmmm,
[8:41] <clonak> tried sarcasm ?
[8:43] <RITRedbeard> nope
[8:44] <clonak> works for me,
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[8:53] <Knack> hi
[8:53] <RITRedbeard> hi
[8:53] <_av500_> hihi
[8:53] <Knack> can the raspberri pi outpu 5.1?
[8:54] <RITRedbeard> i don't know
[8:54] <_av500_> ovr hdmi maybe
[8:54] <Knack> i've been having a look online but it seems unclear
[8:54] <_av500_> over
[8:54] <Knack> i saw a post saying they werent sure whether to include it
[8:54] <_av500_> since the SoC is media oriented, i'd guess it does
[8:54] <Knack> it had something to do with a licence from dolby
[8:55] <_av500_> you dont need a license to output compressed ac3
[8:55] <_av500_> you need one to decode it
[8:55] <Knack> that's what they were saying
[8:55] <Knack> nothing to do with me
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[9:00] <_av500_> if you can feed the hdmi unit
[9:00] <_av500_> if you can feed the hdmi unit PCM samples
[9:00] <_av500_> then you can decode and output it
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[9:03] <hotwings> i read that it does 7.1 over hdmi but of course i havent been able to test that myself
[9:06] <_av500_> even the pi cpu should be capable to decode ac3
[9:06] <_av500_> so you can skip a hw unit if it is not licensed
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[9:25] <_sundar_> _av500_, hi
[9:29] <_av500_> _sundar_: hi :)
[9:30] <_sundar_> _av500_, got a pi too?
[9:32] <l0rdr4t> pi-less
[9:40] <RITRedbeard> any cool bluetooth devices or wireless for pi applications?
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[9:44] <RITRedbeard> trying to look for a simple bluetooth clicker
[9:44] <RITRedbeard> apparently doesn't exist :P
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[10:07] <FZombie> RITRedbeard, simple bluetooth clicker? what do you need it to do
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> i'm not sure
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> four digital buttons I guess
[10:07] <FZombie> I can think of some game controllers that fit the bill or you can homebrew one
[10:08] <FZombie> many "rf remotes" for those slingboxes are bluetooth but don't advertise it. They can be used. I have not done it myself
[10:09] <FZombie> there's those multi-button presentation bluetooth mice, they have a little touchpad to move the mouse but extra keys too
[10:10] <FZombie> or a cellphone sized keyboard with media keys and function keys for about 23$
[10:10] <RITRedbeard> yeah I've saw
[10:10] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[10:10] <FZombie> most windows media center remotes work
[10:11] <Mowee> Morning
[10:11] <FZombie> most are over 40$
[10:11] <FZombie> good morning, and good night for me im going to head out.
[10:11] <FZombie> if i get some sleep ill be in a better mood at work tomorrow
[10:12] <BenO> I've used a wiimote - that seemed to be pretty usable under linux a few years bacl
[10:12] <BenO> back*
[10:12] <Hydrazine> 'morning
[10:13] <BenO> morning, time to begin 'work'
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[10:13] <RITRedbeard> do the PS3 wireless nav motes use bluetooth?
[10:14] <BenO> Yes IIRC but I have no idea if they've been reverse engineered
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[10:16] <BenO> RITRedbeard, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PS3_Remote
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[10:24] <RITRedbeard> i meant the
[10:24] <RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/Move-Navigation-Controller-PlayStation-Replacement/dp/B007M8A4XQ/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335774184&sr=1-14
[10:25] <RITRedbeard> i guess that's a knock off by nyko or whatever
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[10:27] <RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/Playstation-Move-Navigation-Controller-3/dp/B002I0K6X6/ref=pd_sim_vg_2
[10:27] <RITRedbeard> this thing
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[10:35] <Cheery> hi
[10:36] <eebrah> hi Cheery
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[10:44] <ashH> hi all, i'm new to the channel and just thought i'd say hi :) won't say too much except i'm a pro dev at a large games studio, wondered if there were any other game devs in here? :)
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[10:45] <Cheery> ashH: nope. but here we have couple bunch of elite hackers.
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[10:46] <ashH> Cheery: in the channel in general, or just where you work? :)
[10:46] <ashH> i'm guessing the channel as a whole...!
[10:46] <Cheery> ashH: the channel
[10:46] <Cheery> it seems to me these ones are loners. never pack.
[10:46] <BenO> heh :)
[10:47] <ashH> imagine the power that they would have if they could only combine forces ;)
[10:48] <Cheery> ashH: actually. the power comes from working in parallel. If someone combine forces to do something, there's highly likelihood they're working sequentially
[10:49] <Cheery> there's still going to be same power even if apart though.
[10:50] <Hourd> ashH: what large games studio?
[10:51] <Ben64> Rare
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[10:52] <BenO> I would say that people here are riffing off each other, rather than 'everyone working on the same goal'
[10:52] <BenO> that will come once the big problems or big aims surface :)
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[10:58] <Cheery> is ARMv11 C-code position-independent?
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[11:10] <ashH> Ben64: no, i'm not at rare!
[11:11] <Ben64> aw
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[11:12] <Ben64> its the only uk based "large games studio"
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[11:13] <Cheery> I found something. but anyone happens to know good introductory reading for armv11?
[11:13] <ashH> Ben64: not entirely true
[11:14] <ashH> though i guess it depends on your definition of "large"
[11:14] <Ben64> eidos?
[11:14] <ashH> still no :)
[11:14] <Cheery> why ask if he doesn't bother to tell? :/
[11:14] <haltdef> rockstar leeds was my first thought
[11:15] <ashH> i work at blitz games, but for disclosure my pi interest is personal
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[11:16] <Hourd> who are blitz?
[11:16] <Ben64> they make yoostar 2
[11:17] <Hourd> ...
[11:17] <ashH> we did dead to rights for namco, also puss in boots for dreamworks, michael phelps, and many other great titles
[11:17] <ashH> you may also have seen lately that we're working on epic mickey 2 with disney
[11:17] <Hourd> i've heard of one of those and not as a game
[11:17] <ashH> okay, well i'm not here to big up the company - as i say, i'm personally interested and people asked where i worked, so... :)
[11:18] <Ben64> have you ordered a pi?
[11:19] <ashH> i have a pi already
[11:19] <ashH> i got lucky :)
[11:19] <Ben64> :(
[11:19] <ashH> in early, and lucky, i guess
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[11:21] <Hourd> damn, i also ordered early and still ahve not got mine. but i do have the delivery notice for this week so i'm good
[11:21] <Cheery> ashH: have you done anything with your pi yet?
[11:22] <ashH> Cheery: beyond plugging it in and installing Squeeze and few extra packages (svn, git, hg, tightvnc), no
[11:22] <ashH> hope to get started on a bit of coding during the week
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[11:27] <Cheery> ashH: I hope I'll get my own soon. :) probably when I get it I'll straight away hack on it.
[11:27] <ashH> what kind of stuff are you interested in?
[11:27] <Cheery> on the same day I guess I'll try that haikupi -code, it's a small kernel that does nothing else but flash power led.
[11:28] <Cheery> ashH: all sort of things.
[11:29] <ashH> i'm going to look at porting my couple of ios/mac/gl games to pi
[11:29] <ashH> should be pretty easy
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[11:29] <Cheery> aside web development I guess I'll turn my concerns towards pi mostly.
[11:30] <BenO> ashH, The OpenGL ES side of things is nice on the Pi
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[11:30] <BenO> CPU is probably what you'll feel constrained by
[11:30] <Cheery> I want to make a next gen desktop :)
[11:30] <Crenn-NAS> ashH: Sorry to say, but Movie games suck
[11:32] <BenO> btw I <3 Rare, even back when they were Ultimate :)
[11:32] <BenO> Sabre Wulf, Jetpac...
[11:33] <Crenn-NAS> And also, I'm a university student, but looking at developing a game with my girlfriend. City Building game ;D
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[11:34] <Crenn-NAS> And support for RPi is on the agenda ;D
[11:36] <Cheery> ashH: I sort of hope someone would make a game that'd be explicitly packaged along with RPi. :)
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[11:37] <ashH> dunno if that quake3 port is sort of becoming a 'standard' thing or not, people seem to like the idea :)
[11:37] <ashH> would be nice to see something else though...!
[11:37] <Cheery> quake3 seemed like running a bit slow..
[11:38] <BenO> It does a bit
[11:38] <Cheery> although it means that it'll run quake2 smoothly. :P
[11:39] <BenO> Should do - I can't remember if quake2 had software rendering
[11:39] <Crenn-NAS> I remember playing Quake 2 in high school... those were the days
[11:40] <ashH> i remember playing c64 in high school - now *those* were the days ;)
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[11:41] <BenO> There seem to be a rumours online that suggest a few attempts at an OpenGL ES port of q2 have been attempted - a version for the wiz for eg
[11:41] <SocksG> No one else going to say Pong?
[11:41] <BenO> ashH, VICE works I believe on the Pi :)
[11:41] <SocksG> Actually, I'm not quite that old :-)
[11:41] <BenO> ashH, Speccy emu definitely does :)
[11:41] <Crenn-NAS> ashH: I'm not old enough to remember the C64 ;P
[11:41] <BenO> SocksG, Space Wars is where it's at :)
[11:42] <BenO> I have games consoles older than a few of the developers I work with...
[11:42] <ashH> heh
[11:43] <ashH> i still have a few old console devkits in the loft
[11:43] <ashH> why do we tend to collect all this old crap
[11:43] <SocksG> Actually my first computer game was Rhino, as described in the first paragraph of https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/rhino_s24?lang=en
[11:44] <ashH> SocksG: you're probably older than me then - i really only started coding a bit on the speccy then got into it seriously on the c64. the pet was before my time really :)
[11:44] <Crenn-NAS> ashH: Thought that it may be with $$$ in the future or nostalga?
[11:44] <ashH> Crenn-NAS: maybe yeah, i suppose they're worth a few $
[11:45] <SocksG> I think we have have been playing Rhino on the Acorn Atom (which Dad owned) rather than the PET (which he bought back from work)
[11:45] * SocksG is 35.
[11:45] <ashH> ah, i'm 39 :/
[11:45] <ashH> though i prefer 0x27 which makes me seem younger
[11:46] <SocksG> :-)
[11:46] <BenO> Well, I know of a few computer museums that might be interested in the old kit :)
[11:46] <BenO> I've just reached my 0x20's ;)
[11:46] * SocksG thinks Dad got rid of the Atom when they moved last autumn.
[11:46] <BenO> SocksG, HORROR!
[11:47] <SocksG> By "got rid of" I mean "found a good home for"
[11:47] <SocksG> Not sure where, but he was asking around.
[11:48] * shirro is not at all sentimental about throwing out the Amstrad
[11:48] <ashH> i never had an amstrad, i always wanted one tho
[11:48] <ashH> i always loved how the speccy, amstrad & c64 had such different graphical styles
[11:49] <Crenn-NAS> I'm 0b00010111
[11:49] <ashH> that's young :)
[11:50] <Crenn-NAS> I did say I was still in university ;P
[11:51] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder.... if someone was old enough to turn 256 years old, would they break some databases *ponders*
[11:52] <drazyl> 128 might be enough to do it
[11:53] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: Laws would be passed. All 127 year olds would mysteriously be dissappeared.
[11:53] <BenO> Hear about the guy with the last name of Null?
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> drazyl: I think it would be unsigned at least! Unless....
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> BenO: No
[11:53] <BenO> A real-life little johnny tables :)
[11:54] * BenO looks through his links
[11:54] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Oh, so that's why I haven't heard from my great great...
[11:54] <BenO> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-can-i-pass-the-string-null-through-wsdl-soap-from-as3-to-coldfusion-web
[11:55] <shirro> SOAP, Actionscript AND Coldfusion. What the hell did that guy do in a previous life?
[11:56] <BenO> If I were to describe my guess, I'd be banned from the channel
[11:56] <BenO> ;)
[11:57] <Crenn-NAS> BenO: Suggest it anyway, for the greater good
[11:58] <shirro> I think Null may actually be a better last name than dotcom
[12:00] <shirro> I bet he hates getting confused with Mr Nil all the time.
[12:01] <Hourd> hurr
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[12:03] <flaushy> rails on the pi... that will be interesting :)
[12:03] <tzarc> yay I finally got an SD card
[12:03] <tzarc> only had the pi for 6 days
[12:03] <tzarc> >_<
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[12:03] <flaushy> i order a couple today :)
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[12:04] <flaushy> did anybody test some easy pcb software on the pi?
[12:05] <BenO> tzarc, have you dd'd an image onto it to try booting?
[12:05] <tzarc> not yet, having some dinner first
[12:05] <tzarc> that will be next port of call though :)
[12:05] <Crenn-NAS> flaushy: Rails?
[12:05] <BenO> tzarc, I'll keep my finger's crossed then :)
[12:06] <zleap> flaushy, what is rails, something linked to the ruby language ?
[12:06] <flaushy> ruby on rails
[12:07] <flaushy> the idea to kill performance and create webpages
[12:07] <zleap> ah
[12:07] <zleap> so its a web language
[12:07] <BenO> framework
[12:07] <flaushy> but you create beautiful results in a fairly easy way
[12:07] <zleap> ok
[12:07] <flaushy> yepe, framework for ruby
[12:07] <flaushy> 0 to blog in about 1 hour
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[12:07] <zleap> but ruby can be used for several thing
[12:08] <flaushy> ruby is cool :)
[12:08] <zleap> they ported kidsruby to raspberry PI
[12:08] <flaushy> setting up rvm as we speak
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[12:08] <BenO> flaushy, let us know how well it runs
[12:08] <jamesglanville> anyone looking to buy 3d printed raspberry pi cases? I'm selling some purple ones: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/purple-3d-printed-pi-cases-for-sale/
[12:09] <flaushy> ah btw if you have nice case ideas, mates of mine run a printshop as well. We could do prototypes and test how they fit :)
[12:09] <flaushy> printshop as reprap shop
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[12:13] <flaushy> and the case looks nice jamesglanville
[12:13] <huene> i'll need a pi first. still didn't get mine
[12:13] <jamesglanville> flaushy: you're welcome to use my idea of the four sides hinging like they do on my design - I found it a very effective way to cut out as little as possible around the connectors, the two piece designs I tried to make looked worse with the holes.
[12:13] <zleap> huene, they are catching up slowly
[12:14] <zleap> in the mean time i am just getting the bits i need for it, cards, cables etc
[12:14] <jamesglanville> I no longer have a pi, I had to sell it :(
[12:14] <Ben64> seems a bit expensive
[12:14] <zleap> jamesglanville, why
[12:14] <jamesglanville> I was offered ??125 cash for it, and I just couldn't turn that down as a poor student with debt
[12:14] <flaushy> bummer :(
[12:14] <zleap> ah,
[12:15] <flaushy> but a good choice
[12:15] <Ben64> yeah\
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[12:15] <Ben64> debt sucks
[12:15] <zleap> soundslike someome really needed it, thats nearly ?100 more than the usual price for it
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[12:16] <Ben64> supply and demand
[12:16] <jamesglanville> zleap: it was a posh bloke in a fancy car who wanted it very quickly, I guess some people can pay that sort of money without thinking too much about it
[12:16] <zleap> yeah
[12:16] <flaushy> sure
[12:16] <jamesglanville> it's crazy the hype though, the raspberry pi is only good for the price, I'm sure you can get better with very fast delivery for something like a beaglebone
[12:16] <zleap> a lot of people just seem to want one for a xmbc board
[12:16] <Hexxeh> watch how gutted they'll be when they get home and find it's not really usable as a non-developer yet
[12:17] <Ben64> but thats like 3x as much
[12:17] <flaushy> right but if you pay 125, you could as well go for pandaboard
[12:17] <solarbaby> I want one to run majorbbs on
[12:17] <jamesglanville> Hexxeh: that's why I was relieved it was cash and not fussing with possible paypal chargebacks
[12:17] <ashH> if someone offered me 125 for this one i'd think seriously about it too...!
[12:17] <Ben64> i want it as a $35 media player
[12:17] <Hexxeh> jamesglanville: yeah, you did well
[12:17] <BenO> jamesglanville, heh nice :)
[12:17] <ashH> you did well to get offered that :)
[12:17] <Hexxeh> as much as i could use the cash, i don't think i could sell either of mine
[12:17] <jamesglanville> I'm in cambridge, so was a little worried it'd be eben turning up to do violence on me for selling out :P
[12:17] <BenO> jamesglanville, if someone offered me the same, I'd probably take it :)
[12:17] <ashH> you have TWO? nice :)
[12:18] <Hexxeh> too priceless being first batch and all that
[12:18] <Ben64> and i have 0 :(
[12:18] <Hexxeh> yeah ashH, not entirely intentional
[12:18] * CuriosTiger hasn't even been offered to buy one yet.
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[12:18] <techman2> in a few months they'll be everywhere
[12:18] <CuriosTiger> but I'm sure I'll get an email eventually.
[12:18] <Crenn-NAS> zleap: I'm curious about XMBC, but mainly I want it as an addition to my robotics projects
[12:18] <flaushy> sure
[12:18] <zleap> hopefully in the hands of lots of developers too
[12:19] <Crenn-NAS> And to be a server for my network
[12:19] <flaushy> a server?
[12:19] <solarbaby> the Pogoplug V2 Pink makes a better server then Raspberry PI
[12:19] <jamesglanville> I just want one to use it for my 3d printer again, it's such a pain having the thing tethered to my netbook which is now completely non portable
[12:19] <solarbaby> its the same price too
[12:19] <flaushy> or a dockstar
[12:19] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: How much is a pogoplug?
[12:20] <solarbaby> you have to buy them used because they aren't being made anymore.. I bought mine for $35 on amazon
[12:20] <steve_rox> sounds familure what is pogoplug
[12:20] <zleap> so will we see magazines out for the rasp PI with hardware / software projects etc
[12:20] <steve_rox> is that the linux plug socket pc thing?
[12:20] <ashH> heh, type in listings like the bad old days ;)
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[12:21] <flaushy> i am wondering what all will come from kids as soon as the pis hit school
[12:21] <solarbaby> kids will become frustrated
[12:22] <flaushy> doubt it
[12:22] <solarbaby> and turn to their ipods
[12:22] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: Seems a bit of a hassle to try getting a new pogoplug for something I can get easier ;P
[12:22] <Crenn-NAS> And performance isn't something I'm too worried about
[12:22] <Crenn-NAS> As it will just hold 2 websites and have a HDD connected to it
[12:22] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: Im going to buy a second PogoPlug V2 Pink because it makes a good server.. slightly better then the Raspberry PI will do
[12:22] <jamesglanville> I reckon most kids won't be interested, but even if a small proportion does that'd be great - it's not like it'd be that great if every child started a programming career as that'd be too much competition for me when i'm older :P
[12:23] <flaushy> yeah, small groups at some schools will be enough
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[12:23] <zleap> flaushy, i agree
[12:23] <zleap> hopefully a decent community will build up around it, however it could also depend on how it is introduced to schools
[12:23] <flaushy> and a small device, cheap, with gpios is what we need :)
[12:24] <techman2> I think the main outcome will be that kids who have the interest will be able to have something that is perfect to learn on
[12:24] <flaushy> if the teachers give the kids some time to play with it, it might be enough. If they do "program this listing in fortran...." it might not
[12:24] <flaushy> techman2: yepe
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[12:25] <zleap> typing in programs is fine in a few cases, otherwise use wget from a central school server
[12:25] <flaushy> lego mindstorms could have been something like that, but alas was too expensive
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[12:25] <flaushy> zleap: yeah but all the basic math stuff killed the interest in programming back in my school days
[12:25] <BenO> I think that with codecademy doing javascript and python in the style they are is very interesting
[12:26] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: What are the specs of it? It's not on their website
[12:26] <techman2> I personally am very glad to have started with computers back when they were hostile things which refused to talk to you unless you knew how to talk to it.
[12:26] <flaushy> BenO: yepe. Webdevelopement could be a great thing for kids
[12:26] <zleap> flaushy, as long as there is support when you need it
[12:27] <BenO> techman2, They still are hostile to use for general purposes - just in different manners
[12:27] <techman2> BenO: yes, but they at least have a nice interface which people can fumble through
[12:28] <BenO> I think the great power of the Pi and copycats will be that they are purposeless
[12:28] <flaushy> zleap: yeah. But calculating Matrizes is just no fun. Blinking LEDs, fast results with few lines... that is what we need ;)
[12:28] <BenO> techman2, The interface is part of the hostility - the bubble through which you cannot poke
[12:28] <zleap> flaushy, yeah did that at school in gcse eletronics
[12:28] <zleap> electronics
[12:28] <BenO> techman2, Many people have come to believe you 'fix' things by turning them off and on again
[12:28] <flaushy> gcse?
[12:28] <zleap> yeah
[12:29] <zleap> microelectronics and control
[12:29] <Hourd> gcse electronincs was very basic but it did get me into hardware
[12:29] <techman2> I think booting to a command prompt is more hostile for someone who doesn't know what they are doing
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[12:29] <zleap> had lots of pcb boards too, with dfferent logic gates on, hook em all together, so power unit to power a AND gate, then that had inputs and switch boards
[12:30] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: 1.2 Ghz Arm Proc and 256 Megs of Ram. 4 USB 2.0 ports. 5 Watt Devices
[12:30] <techman2> BenO: I work in IT, that is how you fix things. lol
[12:30] <Davespice> zleap: I remember those
[12:30] <flaushy> zleap: ah okie. we had them too
[12:30] <Davespice> they had a light a buzzer and relay switch didn't they?
[12:30] <zleap> some did yea
[12:30] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: I'd say, not what I'm wanting xD;
[12:31] <Davespice> I remember having about six connected together :)
[12:31] <zleap> we had loads at one point, as there was counter circuts and 555 timer output circuits
[12:31] <Crenn-NAS> While I could pick up a used one, thre is only so much I could do with it
[12:31] <zleap> so we could make all sorts of things just by plugging boards together
[12:31] <BenO> techman2, I think the lack of knowledge makes any interface daunting - lots of fear to overcome and I agree, visuals play a part
[12:32] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: it works for me very well.. it might be more powerful then you need
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[12:32] <Crenn-NAS> And having to use an external USB stick to run another version of linux, sucks a little
[12:32] <zleap> perhjaps but eventually we can have more than one each
[12:32] <zleap> which would begood for embedded projects
[12:32] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: It will have more than enough power for what I'd want to run on it, no arguements there
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics exists, and is a popular and helpful channel if anyone isn't aware. ##mechanics also - but that's not popular yet.
[12:33] <Crenn-NAS> But, for me, there is a reason why I'm using the RPi
[12:33] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: mind if I ask what?
[12:33] <Crenn-NAS> Think of it as a hot spare in case of emergencies ;D
[12:33] <BenO> zleap, 555 circuits! best. thing. ever! For kids, having the 'atari punk console' setup running is a great hook :)
[12:33] <Crenn-NAS> Anyway, I want to tinker with SPI/GPIOs
[12:33] <zleap> i have a few lying around here somewhere
[12:34] <solarbaby> tinkering is good
[12:34] <zleap> this is where you need hackspace
[12:34] <Crenn-NAS> Mix those with some nice microcontrollers I have sitting around, like the Leaflabs Maple
[12:34] <zleap> access to electronics stuff
[12:34] <Hexxeh> BenO: looks like you're making good progress with alsa?
[12:34] <zleap> or more importantly stuff thjat is not normally affordable like signal generators and oscilloscopes
[12:34] <Hexxeh> just seen the github issue today
[12:34] <BenO> Hexxeh, backwards and forwards progress :S
[12:35] <solarbaby> I know when I get my PI I'm going to setup the mame games and use my wireless ps2 joypad with it. I'll check out xbmc and then maybe i'll run irc on it :)
[12:35] <BenO> Hexxeh, isolated the hang issue, but haven't yet been able to keep alsa running well enough for certain uses
[12:35] <flaushy> me, forgot to set a time
[12:35] <solarbaby> Raspberry PI's love irssi
[12:35] <zleap> i really hope this new curriculum isn't going to be restrictive
[12:36] <zleap> one of the reasons I enjoyed spectrum programming was I could write what I wanted to write
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[12:36] <tzarc> ok, dd in progress
[12:36] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: My 200MHz NAS loves irssi ;D
[12:36] <BenO> Hexxeh, eg runs, doesn't crash, but certain apps make it sound awful. Some things work fine.
[12:36] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: hahaha I run the Nslu and its 266 mhz
[12:37] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: Mine is ARM based ;P
[12:37] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: figured on that
[12:37] * flaushy loves his excito B3 and the other kirkwood devices
[12:37] <tzarc> my NAS has 6 cores and 16GB RAM :S
[12:38] <zleap> tzarc, nice
[12:38] <solarbaby> tzarc: I envy you
[12:38] <tzarc> ZFS loves RAM *shrug*
[12:38] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Digital_My_Book#World_Edition
[12:38] <flaushy> i wouldnt run such a system at the current energy prices here :/
[12:38] <tzarc> oh it's costing me an arm and a leg too
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[12:39] <tzarc> but I can't justify going low power, costs too much up front
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[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Old laptop
[12:39] <BenO> tzarc, a thumper?
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> Job done
[12:40] <tzarc> nah, whitebox running under vmware
[12:40] <tzarc> wish I had a thumper :P
[12:40] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: thats a cool old drive
[12:40] <BenO> ah cool - yeah, power consumption would be a killer :)
[12:40] <BenO> tzarc, Oracle, the gits :(
[12:40] <Hexxeh> BenO: isn't that the problem we've had since launch though?
[12:41] <tzarc> I'm really really hoping btrfs gets their raid6-equivalent sorted
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[12:41] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: in the coming year I want to either build or buy a decent nas drive.. not sure which way i'll go
[12:41] <tzarc> THEN I'll think about jumping
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[12:42] <BenO> Hexxeh, the key problem is that the code should work - it's doing what alsa says it should
[12:42] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: My father has a QNAP
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[12:42] <BenO> Hexxeh, It's now a question of finding out which numbers to fudge or pass back by dead reckoning
[12:42] <Crenn-NAS> I think it's an overpriced piece of.... equipment
[12:42] <Hexxeh> BenO: so if you playback wav, you don't get the problem?
[12:42] * solarbaby laughs!
[12:42] <tzarc> Crenn-NAS: yep.
[12:42] <BenO> Hexxeh, It depends on the playback style
[12:42] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: I looked at the Synolagy NAS. Those were kind of neat
[12:43] <BenO> Hexxeh, SDL, simple players and so on work fine with some changes I've made, but mplayer sounds glitchy
[12:43] <tzarc> kinda hard to replace an 8-drive array with something smaller form factor
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[12:43] <BenO> mplayer seems to be too eager to fill up the ring buffer and overwrite data before it's been passed to the audio core
[12:44] <solarbaby> I need to fall asleep my eyes hurt bad
[12:44] <solarbaby> G'night!
[12:44] <tzarc> I need this dd to finish
[12:44] <BenO> it also seems to spit out lots of calls to add silence, as if it's meeting an underrun, but there is no underrun...
[12:44] <tzarc> night
[12:44] <Crenn-NAS> tzarc: Fun thing is, he bought an ultra-thin laptop last year for $2k. At the time I told him it wouldn't be powerful enough. He bought a new laptop 2 weeks ago as his current laptop wasn't powerful enough. He likes shiney things...
[12:44] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: thanks for the chat
[12:44] <Hexxeh> BenO: it sounds like the changes that were added to cope with silence are causing the issue
[12:44] <tzarc> I like shiny things too, which is why my bank account is so low
[12:44] <Hexxeh> BenO: or at least related for sure
[12:44] <Crenn-NAS> solarbaby: You're welcome, talk to you tomorrow maybe?
[12:44] <solarbaby> Crenn-NAS: most likely.. this has become my new home over the last 2 days
[12:45] <Crenn-NAS> tzarc: Hehe, do you replace your mobile every 2 months?
[12:45] <tzarc> nah, 2 years :P
[12:45] <Crenn-NAS> He does xD
[12:45] <tzarc> /facepalm
[12:45] <BenO> Hexxeh, Agreed. That's the point where the audio core comes in though. It gets passed a header that effectively says "x bytes of silence coming"
[12:45] <Crenn-NAS> tzarc: That's my response
[12:45] <BenO> every 10ms there is a callback from the audio core to say how many bytes its consumed
[12:45] <Hexxeh> BenO: why can't it be passed x bytes of actual silence?
[12:46] <BenO> Hexxeh, according to Dom, it sounds worse and stuttery
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[12:47] <BenO> Hexxeh, I've outlined the buffer situation: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2#issuecomment-5414018
[12:49] <zleap> quake 3 file "The zip file compresses to 3.14MB, which we think is kind of serendipitous."
[12:49] <zleap> 3.14mb nice
[12:50] <BenO> Hexxeh, tbh I only had another look at the alsa thing yesterday or so - just to keep prodding it
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[12:51] <tzarc> so I'm thinking I should be putting a kernel/initrd on the SD and switching root to a USB stick or something, taking aaaages
[12:51] <BenO> Crenn-NAS, http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux
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[12:54] <Hexxeh> wut
[12:54] <Hexxeh> is it just me, or is ca-certificates not installed by debian on the new image..?
[12:54] <Hexxeh> tpresence: this is the bug you were seeing btw
[12:54] <Hexxeh> just trying it out on the latest debian now
[12:55] <tzarc> well, the archlinux image boots fine
[12:55] <tzarc> that's a start
[12:55] <Crenn-NAS> BenO: Thanks for that! I'll have to have a read, planning a driver for SPI
[12:55] <BenO> Crenn-NAS, np. The trick is to write one and retain your sanity.
[12:56] <tzarc> bitbang the sucker :P
[12:56] <Crenn-NAS> BenO: Sanity? What's that?
[12:56] <BenO> Crenn-NAS, Ah good, you are well on your way then :)
[12:56] <Crenn-NAS> tzarc: Nah, I'm familiar enough with embedded systems, how hard can it be? xD
[12:57] <tzarc> *grin*
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[12:59] <tzarc> ok, so now that I know my rpi works
[13:00] <tzarc> time for some actual work with it
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[13:01] <flaushy> hmm i guess another half hour and rvm will be installed with current ruby
[13:04] <eigoom> morning.
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[13:24] <Crenn-NAS> I've taken a quick read of that link and I think it shouldn't be too hard to do what is needed for writting a driver for SPI
[13:24] <Crenn-NAS> And maybe SPI
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[13:27] <Hydrazine> Crenn-NAS: Do you need someone to test your driver? :D
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[13:29] <flaushy> ruby installed \o/ here comes rubygems now
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[13:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you orderd before april 18th then yoou shoudl get your pi before end of june ....
[13:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> I know .. I ordered on the 29th muppet!.
[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> of feb*
[13:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> as I said in the initial email with order and custoner numebr...
[13:31] <Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: I won't be starting to write the driver until the end of this semester
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[13:31] <tzarc> ok, armhf chroot being built...
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[13:32] <flaushy> we could build a distcc picluster ;)
[13:32] <Crenn-NAS> So around 24th of May :(
[13:32] <tzarc> flaushy: I believe SOMEONE will do it
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[13:32] <tzarc> if only for bragging rights
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[13:33] <BenO> tzarc, eg "I got a distcc cluster of over 2400 BogoMIPS, you jelly?"
[13:34] <tzarc> *shrug*
[13:34] <tzarc> I used to participate in pissing contests ~10 years ago, no point now :P
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[13:35] <flaushy> yepe
[13:35] <BenO> tzarc, you are right though - someone will make a suitcase full of Pi
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[13:37] <Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Although, if I write it sooner, I may need a tester
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[13:42] <ashH> just wondering, has anyone tried compiling Qt on the pi yet?
[13:43] <BenO> ashH, There's a whole thing devoted to that
[13:43] <BenO> ashH, http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi
[13:44] <ashH> i saw there was a distro/install for Qt5, however, i'm more interested in building 4.8.x on the normal debian distro
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[13:46] <BenO> ashH, In that case, no idea - if an older version is in the repos it should be compilable...
[13:46] <BenO> ashH, The main buzz is that Qt5 is accelerated on the Pi
[13:47] <ashH> yeah, i don't need mega performance
[13:47] <ashH> i just have a pc app based on Qt that i want to get running fairly quickly
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[13:47] <ashH> so if i can fairly easily compile 4.8 for pi, i should be fine. i just need functional at this point, really
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[13:55] <tzarc> awww, and here's me hoping debootstrap would be relatively painless
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[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o/ success on the RPi front...
[14:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> well not success btu progress
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[14:31] <swp__> BenO, looks like your theory about debugging sound issues is holding true for me :(
[14:33] <BenO> swp__, The sanity one? ;)
[14:33] <Crenn-NAS> Night all
[14:33] <BenO> or the turning debug symbols on = bug disappears?
[14:33] <swp__> the later
[14:33] <BenO> Crenn-NAS, Good night and good day
[14:34] <BenO> swp__, Yeah, it's a real pain that
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[14:34] <Crenn-NAS> BenO: You're in the UK right?
[14:34] <BenO> Yep
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[14:34] <Crenn-NAS> Monday is a pretty good day, just thought I'd let you know
[14:34] <Crenn-NAS> Since I'm in the future and all ;D
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[14:35] <tzarc> nearly tuesday though
[14:37] <Crenn-NAS> tzarc: Yep, 10:36PM AEST ;D
[14:37] <tzarc> indeed
[14:37] <Crenn-NAS> Where you based?
[14:38] <tzarc> sydney
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[14:41] <Crenn-NAS> Sweet
[14:41] <Crenn-NAS> I'm from Melbourne
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[14:43] <tzarc> por thing
[14:43] <tzarc> :P
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[14:59] <Matt> morning sean
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[15:01] <IT_Sean> morning
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[15:08] <Hydrazine> should SPI toggle the ss line high after each byte?
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[15:42] <Linkas> hi, i registered my interest on element14 website. what will be in email which they will send to me?
[15:44] <flaushy> you registered today?
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[15:44] <Linkas> yes, today
[15:44] <flaushy> then you get a dozen that they are sorry and you have to wait
[15:44] <drazyl> You should get a projected delivery date, but it will be some way off
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[15:46] <Linkas> but, I will get a place in queue?
[15:46] <flaushy> yeah
[15:46] <ReggieUK> somewhere near the end
[15:47] <Linkas> maybe I will get new revision with PoE for example, I have time and 35$ ;)
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[15:48] <flaushy> btw does anyone know anything about model a yet?
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[15:48] <flaushy> like ETA?
[15:49] <dmsuse> i think they shouldn't even bother bringing it out
[15:49] <dmsuse> instead bring out a more powerful model c :P
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> Model A should be being produced along with model B
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> It's just a case of not populating some components
[15:51] <IT_Sean> The model A will be brought out for the educational release.
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[15:54] <Matt> SpeedEvil: you sure about that?
[15:54] <Matt> if that were the case, they wouldn't have had issues with their first small run of model As, surely?
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Matt: I mean in principle, you could make a model-a-sque by simply leaving off the magjack, and ethernet chip
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[15:57] <mkopack> Ok, Newark/Farnell??? Where the heck is that order status update you promised all of us would get??? I'm still seeing Aug 15 on my order
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[16:00] <chronofast> Anything new in the last 2 weeks?
[16:02] <dmsuse> nope
[16:03] <ReggieUK> roy hodgson is getting the england job
[16:03] <chronofast> apparently
[16:03] <ReggieUK> that was from yesterday
[16:03] <ReggieUK> I see the FA are keeping their appointment of winners
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[16:06] <tehtrb> ME WANTIE
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[16:07] <ReggieUK> YOU NO GETTIE
[16:07] <flaushy> ?
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[16:15] <mkopack> ???
[16:15] <mkopack> FA ?
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[16:17] <DrHorrible_KingO> ah doom running on arch pi
[16:17] <DrHorrible_KingO> nice
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[16:18] <IT_Sean> shweeet
[16:19] <ReggieUK> Awwww
[16:19] <ReggieUK> I wanted to get that working myself
[16:20] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/Reggi3/ExplorerDoom
[16:20] <lennard> you could go for gentoo :P
[16:20] <ReggieUK> pfft
[16:20] <ReggieUK> pi would've been my hatrick
[16:21] <ReggieUK> are all the movement buttons working correctly?
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[16:22] <ReggieUK> strafe left and backwards give issues unless you change the movement variables from char to int
[16:22] <TopherBrink> chocolate doom compiles and runs on the RPi really quick
[16:22] <ReggieUK> char doesn't do signedness
[16:22] <TopherBrink> no audio though
[16:22] <ReggieUK> oh?
[16:23] <ReggieUK> no audio as in not working or no audio as in never coded in?
[16:23] <TopherBrink> compile is probably <1 minute but yeah, i'm not getting audio
[16:24] <TopherBrink> i'll try one of the more advanced ports next up
[16:25] <ReggieUK> it's all in there it would appear
[16:25] <TopherBrink> maybe that'll somehow work out for audio
[16:25] <ReggieUK> try sdl doom
[16:25] <ReggieUK> not my version!
[16:26] <exfileme> is doom running on pi?
[16:27] <TopherBrink> yup
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[16:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176 <- now that is news
[16:28] <dmsuse> yet another loss of freedom in the uk
[16:28] <nivi> huh
[16:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> OOPS missed pasted to wrong window but .... still news
[16:29] <nivi> wait, hold on
[16:29] <nivi> "our agreement with Spotify"
[16:29] <TopherBrink> it could be my arch install
[16:29] <nivi> why do Virgin Media need an agreement with Spotify?
[16:29] <TopherBrink> hmm
[16:29] <exfileme> is it something i can get through apt-get?
[16:30] <TopherBrink> dont know, compiled it on arch linux not deb
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[16:31] <dmsuse> they just want to cash in, someone needs to benefit when people are oppressed :P
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[16:31] <ReggieUK> lol, you know it's a joke when the BPI is claiming that artists and engineers are losing money
[16:31] <ReggieUK> the only reason they lose money is because of the punitive contracts laid out before them
[16:32] <flaushy> BPI?
[16:32] <ReggieUK> and I'm not sure that engineers lose money at all
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[16:32] <Matt> British Phonographic Institute IIRC
[16:32] <nivi> yep
[16:32] <ReggieUK> unless the bpi are claiming that the industry recoups money from engineers once they've already been paid?
[16:32] <flaushy> ah thx
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[16:33] <mkopack> Yeah, the whole music + movie industry is horribly broken
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[16:34] <mkopack> And books aren't far behind
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[16:34] <mkopack> NONe of them have kept up with the change in technology and how that has changed consumption of their products
[16:34] <mkopack> They ALL have their hands out wanting more $$$, but the fact is, the changes in technology should have made it CHEAPER for them to do their job, so WHY should they GET more?
[16:34] <Matt> well the thing with books is they're all of a sudden trying to use the change in technology to make more money
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[16:35] <TopherBrink> huh. a reboot has killed my arch.
[16:35] <flaushy> hmmm not too long and i have rails on my pi :)
[16:36] <mkopack> It's gotten where I don't even go to the movies anymore except for the big SFX blockbusters because at $12+ per ticket it's just not worth it??? I can wait for the 5 months for it to come on HBO, where I can watch it at home, at my lea sure, on my 46" HDTV, not have to pay $8 for popcorn or $5 for a coke.
[16:36] <dmsuse> lol
[16:36] <exfileme> @mkopack I agree
[16:36] <mkopack> Can pause it when I need to use the bathroom, I CAN surf the web during the film, I don't have to listen to the crying baby or the obnoxious idiots talking throughout the movie in the row behind me, etc.
[16:37] <exfileme> it's cheaper to buy it in the cloud and watch it whenver you want
[16:37] <exfileme> if it's something you'll watch multiple times
[16:37] <mkopack> They keep complaining that attendance is down, but yet total sales are WAY up - why? Because they keep jacking up the price of a ticket
[16:38] <exfileme> attendance is down partially due to the ticket :(
[16:38] <mkopack> Of COURSE Titanic grossed more than Star Wars - Ticket prices in 1977 were something like $2??? In 2000 - $7.50
[16:38] <mkopack> Yeah, but they don't seem to get that...
[16:38] <mkopack> And we've seen the same damn stories over and over and over out of Hollywood
[16:39] <dmsuse> i don't think ive seen a good movie in 5/6 years
[16:39] <dmsuse> maybe that explains it too :P
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[16:40] <exfileme> hollywood just rehashes anymore
[16:40] <exfileme> even lucas
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[16:41] <mkopack> Yeah??? I mean, how many "remakes" have we seeing in the last decade?
[16:42] <exfileme> yep
[16:42] <exfileme> we need something fresh like raspberry pi ;)
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[16:43] <nivi> in myyyy day
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[16:46] <exfileme> doh
[16:46] <esotera> I'd pay to see "Raspberry Pi: The movie"
[16:46] <exfileme> openoffice opens a lot quicker when the memory is split ;)
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[16:47] * IT_Sean makes a movie that is nothing but an hour and a half of a raspi model b spinning around slowly on a turntable, then charges esotera a tenner for admission.
[16:47] <TopherBrink> is that movie in 3D?
[16:48] <TopherBrink> if so charge an extra fiver
[16:48] <IT_Sean> there is a three dee version, but it costs three times as much to get in
[16:48] <IT_Sean> you have to pay a lot more for the extra D
[16:49] <dmsuse> cool, the seats in the venue are the most uncomfortable anyone has ever sat on i hope?
[16:49] <flaushy> and then there is "Raspberry Pi: The movie model A"
[16:49] <TopherBrink> pay more for getting to see a darkened, awkward mess *and* wear uncomfortable glasses? SOLD!
[16:49] <TopherBrink> the model A would need to be a prequel reboot, and darker and gritty
[16:49] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: you get an overturned wastebasket
[16:50] <dmsuse> wooter luxury compared to the last cinema i went to :D
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[16:50] <IT_Sean> If you pay for 1st class seating, the wastebasket doesn't have a large hole in the bottom.
[16:50] <IT_Sean> but that's a nextra fiver
[16:51] <dmsuse> lol
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[16:51] <mkopack> We could have a scene where the postman delivers your RPi, and we do the super slow motion shot to dramatic music as you bolt out your front door towards the mailbox to retrieve your precious
[16:52] <flaushy> hehe
[16:52] <mkopack> Arms outstretched running slowly...
[16:52] <zleap> lol
[16:52] <IT_Sean> then ::KLOOONG:: headfirst into a telegraph pole
[16:52] <zleap> sounds fun
[16:52] <mkopack> The crescendo when you finally are holding the package, hoisting it above your head in victory
[16:52] <TopherBrink> ...and then the world ends.
[16:53] <flaushy> "rpi - the waiting... in Realtime"
[16:53] <dmsuse> nah you get it then a bad storm comes and no power for a week :p
[16:53] <flaushy> 80 day non stop movie ^^
[16:53] <TopherBrink> nope, not dark and gritty enough
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[16:53] <TopherBrink> apocalypse or nothing.
[16:53] <esotera> it could always be a sequel
[16:53] <esotera> or maybe a sitcom spin-off
[16:53] <ReggieUK> don't forget shouting PI at the top of your voice in a broad new york accent in the stallone rocky style
[16:53] <mkopack> Ugh??? Cs Dept has no classes offered this summer??? They told me I could take something in the Info dept??? But their stuff is all kinda " 'hard" level stuff
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[16:54] <mkopack> Lots of project management and "how to use technology" classes???
[16:54] <mkopack> ugh
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[16:54] <mkopack> Maybe I'll take the summer off and just try to double up some other time
[16:54] <ReggieUK> mkopack, I'd take a look at the 'hard stuff'
[16:54] <mkopack> I REALLY would like to finish next spring, but if they don't offer anything there just isn't any way I can
[16:55] <ReggieUK> cos one mans difficult is another mans simple stuff
[16:55] <mkopack> I have Cognitive systems in the fall, Theory of Computation in the Spring??? still need 2 other classes??? Could do Networking next spring OR Intro to Computer vision in the fall
[16:55] <mkopack> Still need something else though
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[16:56] <ReggieUK> like the last C class I took, I was told I was getting ahead of myself because I was asking the tutor questions he couldn't answer (and should've been easily able to)
[16:56] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: have you ever made an iphone app ?
[16:57] <ReggieUK> nope
[16:57] <piney0> Those tho can't - teach. Those who can - do.
[16:57] <ReggieUK> can't be that difficult
[16:57] <mkopack> I COULD take a Software Project Management class I guess
[16:57] <mkopack> But UGH.
[16:57] <ReggieUK> that's something I'd consider looking at
[16:57] <ReggieUK> but then again, I'm messy with my projects so I could do with it
[16:58] <mkopack> Eh, hardest part of doing IPhone dev is having to wrap your head around Objective-C, Xcode, and the libraries on the Mac???
[16:58] <dmsuse> you could earn a fortune :D
[16:58] <mkopack> ReggieUK: I think it's more about managing a team for software dev??? Estimations, reporting, financials tracking, etc.
[16:58] <RAThomas> mkopack: Mgmt stuff like is well worth studying, understanding and living.
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[16:58] <mkopack> Bah! ONLY if you want to BECOME a manager, and I don't
[16:59] <ReggieUK> not true
[16:59] <ReggieUK> it can help you learn what you're going to be up against over the next 20 or so years :D
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[16:59] <RAThomas> IMO, for techno-geeks, most of the technical topics can be self-taught. Management,
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[17:00] <RAThomas> that's a different story. And if you don't think you need "management" in your software, etc, work, you are wrong ;)
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[17:01] <mkopack> Maybe I'll just take the summer off??? I honestly could use a break
[17:01] <mkopack> (not that I won't have to work all summer??? )
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[17:01] <mkopack> Be nice to get some free time to play with the RPi/PandaboardES, and some personal robotics projects
[17:02] <mkopack> Pisses me off that the only time they ever offer Parallel Processing is Winter quarter, the same quarter that Theory of Computation is offered (which I'm DREADING, but it's required??? stupid pure theory BS)
[17:03] <mkopack> No way I can double those 2 up
[17:03] <flaushy> hmmm i should take a course in that as well :/
[17:04] <mkopack> Because, honestly, I don't give a Rats ass about proving P!=NP or any of the other stuff related to it
[17:04] <mkopack> I care about BUILDING stuff
[17:05] <mkopack> But they insist I have to take it
[17:05] <flaushy> i think it is important
[17:06] <mkopack> Mind you, I've already had 2 classes in Algorithms, with proofs and coverage of P and NP issues
[17:06] <mkopack> I really have no desire to do another 10 weeks of proofs
[17:06] <flaushy> hehe
[17:07] <flaushy> i can understand that
[17:07] <mkopack> And top it off, the prof that used to teach that class was HORRIBLE. They got a new guy 2 years ago??? And he was supposedly a LOT better, but he suddenly died the Sunday after classes this Winter ended??? So I don't know WHO is going to be teaching it this next time
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[17:07] <mkopack> If they go back to the old guy, I'm screwed
[17:07] <mkopack> He was TERRIBLE
[17:08] <mkopack> I took the class for 2 weeks and said screw this
[17:08] <mkopack> He wanted us meeting in groups like 3 times a week to do "pre-homework" and then "Homework"??? Um, I'm taking the class online for a REASON, I don't have time every day to work on school??? Weekends are basically it.
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[17:13] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Theory of computing can be handy.
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Especially when you can avoid agreeing to do theoretically impossible things.
[17:13] <mkopack> Eh, I just have a real HATE of doing proofs
[17:14] <mkopack> NEver really gotten them, find the math theory portion of computing utterly annoying and useless to my day to day job
[17:14] <mkopack> and why make me prove something that's been proven 100000 times before?
[17:14] <mkopack> WASTE of my time
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[17:15] <mkopack> Especially when there are WAY more interesting classes to take, like Parallel Processing
[17:16] <Davespice> fyi all, I've just updated my blog, some of you may find the post interesting (if you like Random sound) http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/
[17:16] <mkopack> I have to say I'm annoyed that they stopped offering the Intelligent Time Critical Systems, and the Knowledge Based Systems classes (I think the prof that taught those left)...
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[17:19] <Matt> I quite enjoyed the computing theory stuff
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[17:32] <OneFix_Work> Has anyone looked into building SliTaz for the rPi?
[17:34] <Neutron_> for those who have had their hands on a raspberry pi, about what is the power consumption like when the unit sits mostly idle?
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> 400mA or so.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> ~2W
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[17:35] <Neutron_> alrighty
[17:36] <Neutron_> so they won't last forever on battery power then
[17:36] <Cheery> it's quite cool people are talking about "standard linux software stack" :)
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Neutron_: No.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Neutron_: Call it an hour an AA cell
[17:36] <Neutron_> on "an" or "4" cells? :P
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Energy per cell
[17:37] <Neutron_> ah right :>
[17:37] <Cheery> but you get 1.5 volts from each. so you anyway need more than one
[17:37] <TopherBrink> choco-doom audio issue solved
[17:38] <IT_Sean> you also need some sort of voltage regulation
[17:38] <TopherBrink> joy
[17:38] <Cheery> what's the story with a cell phone battery?
[17:38] <ReggieUK> TopherBrink, what was the issue?
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Cheery: Will need a voltage booster
[17:38] <Cheery> okay. what else?
[17:38] <TopherBrink> something random with alsamixer
[17:39] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: how long will it run with one cell like that?
[17:39] <TopherBrink> next... wolfenstein 3d
[17:39] <ReggieUK> that also depends on whether you're using rechargables or not as to what the voltage will be per battery
[17:39] <ReggieUK> figure 1.2V for rechargables
[17:40] <ReggieUK> you could use a boost convertor to go from 2x aa/aaa batteries to 5v
[17:40] <Neutron_> a single cell probably can't deliver the current needed anyway
[17:40] <ReggieUK> sure but a couple might
[17:41] <ReggieUK> or 4 will
[17:41] <ReggieUK> so 4x 1.2v AAAs @2500mah might well give you a few hours idling
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[17:42] <mkopack> Cheery: the simple answer for any battery supply is take the battery's mAh rating, multiply by it's voltage, divide by the (5V for the RPi * the 400mAh) = length of time the battery will power the RPi in hours.
[17:42] <mkopack> Not accounting for any loss in conversions
[17:42] <ReggieUK> ^^ what he said
[17:43] <Cheery> just wondering as what kind of device it'd be if converted to phone
[17:43] <Cheery> or tablet
[17:43] <mkopack> MOSt cell phone batteries don't put out 5V, and they also aren't super big mAh either
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[17:44] <mkopack> There's a reason why 90% of the internal volume of an iPad is taken up with batteries
[17:44] <Neutron_> they output 3.7-4.2V
[17:44] <IT_Sean> if you really want ot run it from a mbettery, your best bet is probably one of those USB battery accessories for phones. Just make sure the output is properly regulated.
[17:45] <mkopack> And be careful because some of those put out 5.2V which is the upper limit for the Rpi
[17:45] <IT_Sean> aye
[17:45] <mkopack> RPi can deal with 4.8-5.2V
[17:45] <exfileme> hey is there an irc client for rPi?
[17:45] <mkopack> but most power devices if they're listed as 5V will put out 5V +- .2
[17:46] <dmsuse> linux has thousands of irc clients, the best being irssi
[17:46] <mkopack> If it's listed as a 5.2V and it still does the +- .2V, you're getting potentially 5.4V which is too much for the RPi
[17:46] * Hydrazine prefers weechat
[17:46] <Neutron_> doesn't the raspberry pi use linear regulators anyway?
[17:46] <IT_Sean> irssi?
[17:46] <mkopack> Yup
[17:47] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: you have never heard of irssi ?
[17:47] <exfileme> anyone actually using rPi to cat ;)
[17:47] <exfileme> chat
[17:47] <Neutron_> so why the strict voltage requirements?
[17:47] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: i was SUGGESTING irssi! :p
[17:47] <mkopack> gotta be a limit to what that circuitry can deal with
[17:47] <dmsuse> oh lol, sry
[17:47] <exfileme> hell i just hooked up my smartphone charger
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[17:48] <exfileme> guess that was a bad thing?
[17:48] <Neutron_> I think the FAQ even states that you can power it with 4xAA[A] cells, that's 6V and possibly a little more
[17:48] <IT_Sean> the raspi is designed to use a well regulated USB supply. So, it doesn't have the same onboard regulation as more forgiving devices.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Neutron_: you can power it with 4xAAs, but you need to regulate the output
[17:48] <Thorn_> just stick a 9v on the end of it and hope it works
[17:49] <Hydrazine> hehe
[17:49] <IT_Sean> the raspi is not Plug & Pray compatable, people! :p
[17:49] <dmsuse> why 4x aa's and not 3x ?
[17:49] <Thorn_> i can show you how it works, just send your board to me...
[17:49] <IT_Sean> because 3x isn't enoug voltage.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> that's only 4.5
[17:49] <Neutron_> because 3x are 4.5V
[17:49] <Neutron_> and it is better to overvolt things than undervolting them
[17:49] <dmsuse> it'll still run wont it? and without a regulator
[17:49] <IT_Sean> each AA is 1.5v.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> 1.2 if it's a rechargable.
[17:50] <mkopack> You'll want to regulate it regardless because as the batteries drop off, the V will drop below the 5V??? With regulation you can stay at that 5V longer
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> 1V-1.6V if rechargeable
[17:50] <IT_Sean> dmuse, 6v is too much.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> 1.55V if just off-charge
[17:50] <Thorn_> try a car battery
[17:50] <IT_Sean> you NEED to regulate the voltage. you cannot just slaP ON A BATTERY & HOPE FOR THE BEST.
[17:50] <mkopack> 4 NiCd AA's would be better since they're more like 1.25V
[17:50] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: i mean 3x aa's fully charged is around 5v, it'll run off that without a regulator
[17:50] <IT_Sean> DMUSE: NOT FOR VERY LONG
[17:50] <IT_Sean> oops -caps
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[17:50] <IT_Sean> sorry.
[17:51] <dmsuse> k :P
[17:51] <Thorn_> no he isnt
[17:51] <Thorn_> burn him
[17:51] <Hydrazine> IT_Sean: some one has to be the first to let out the magic smoke
[17:51] <IT_Sean> the voltage would drop off very quickly.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> Hydrazine: it could be worse... I'm still waiting for someone to try to run it right off the mains!
[17:51] <IT_Sean> FPTZAP!
[17:51] <Hydrazine> xD
[17:51] <dmsuse> im hooking mine up to a solar panel :D
[17:52] <ReggieUK> it depends what regulator you're using as to whether 4xAA would be suitable
[17:52] <ReggieUK> if it's a 7805 then forget it
[17:52] <exfileme> 5.0 VDC too much?
[17:52] <IT_Sean> I would recommend 6AAs, and regulate it down to 5v, to avoide the voltage drop as they drain for a bit longer. But, that's just me.
[17:52] <Hydrazine> I'd say a few batteries and a cheap buck or boost converter
[17:52] <Thorn_> try running it off a usb port that might work
[17:52] <Thorn_> ...
[17:52] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: how about 6 aa's, but 3 of them wired in parrallel ?
[17:52] <ReggieUK> 6xAA and a buck (if they're non-rechargables)
[17:53] <Thorn_> buck rodgers?
[17:53] <ReggieUK> 4xAA and a boost converter if they're rechargables or non-rechargables
[17:53] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: is there a reason you are against a regulator? One way or anoteh you need to regulate the voltage. If you don't, you will either fry the pi, or it'll stop working properly very quickly once the V drops off
[17:53] <ReggieUK> buck converter
[17:53] <mkopack> And check your regulator - simple common ones like the 7405 requires at least 7.5V input to put out 5V output
[17:54] <Thorn_> bucks bunny?
[17:54] <ReggieUK> buck off?
[17:54] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: well no lol, im just thinking of the poor people :P
[17:54] <Thorn_> buck aroo?
[17:54] <mkopack> Buck You!
[17:54] <Thorn_> lame
[17:55] <IT_Sean> Poverty does not exempt you from the laws of physics.
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[17:55] <dmsuse> i aint scared, i electrocuted myself the other day with a car sparkplug :P
[17:55] <exfileme> oh 5v is perfect
[17:56] <tehtrb> me wantie !!
[17:56] * mjr is skeptical that 4 NiMH AA in series could fry the pi without regulation, but won't be the first to try it ;]
[17:56] <tehtrb> anyone already have this beauty ?
[17:56] <IT_Sean> tehtrb: some people do, yes.
[17:56] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[17:56] <IT_Sean> have you registered interest yet?
[17:56] <mkopack> a few do
[17:56] <SocksG> dmsuse: But you got better?
[17:56] <tehtrb> it_sean fuk yea ??
[17:56] * IT_Sean slaps Thorn_
[17:56] <dmsuse> it was just a tiny shock :P
[17:56] <IT_Sean> watch the language!
[17:57] <Thorn_> sparkplugs dont hurt
[17:57] <mkopack> Would love to know when Farnell/Newark is going to update the status on everyone's order.. They said it would happen this week
[17:57] <mjr> Yeah it's not vapor anymore, just undersupplied
[17:57] <dmsuse> Thorn_: try taking a spark plug from a running motorcycle and say that
[17:57] <mkopack> Thorn_: They do if you have one thrown hard at you!
[17:57] <Thorn_> dmsuse: i have actually
[17:57] <dmsuse> so have i and it hurt like hell :P
[17:57] <flaushy> happy applying to darwin arward
[17:57] <SocksG> Sorry, just being pedantic about the word electrocuted.
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[17:58] <Thorn_> real men adjust their spark plug gap while it's running
[17:58] <dmsuse> lol
[17:58] <zleap> a bit OT this : what would be a good partition size for a 160 gb hard disk 100 for / 50 for /home and 10 for swap (does that sound reasonable)
[17:59] <Thorn_> 10gb for swap is silly
[17:59] * Matt nods
[17:59] <zleap> a bit overkill
[17:59] <Matt> that does sound like overkill
[17:59] <mjr> it is overkill
[17:59] <zleap> ok 5 then on 1gb ram
[17:59] <drazyl> set swap to 1 - 2x RAM
[17:59] <Matt> unless you're doing stuff that you know is going to require allocation of way more RAM than you have, there's not much point
[17:59] <zleap> ok thats 2 gb then
[17:59] <dmsuse> what filesystem are most people using on their pi ?
[18:00] <zleap> so what about the others i
[18:00] <tehtrb> i think "most people" dont have their rpi yet ...
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[18:00] <flaushy> 100 gb / sounds like alot
[18:00] <zleap> 50 then
[18:00] <Matt> 2x physical RAM is the old recommendation, but even that's a lot these days
[18:00] <drazyl> personally I would do all for / and not bother with separate /home
[18:00] <mjr> zleap, apropos I'd go for... yeah what drazyl said
[18:00] <drazyl> but if you are goint to 50GB /, 100GB /home is better
[18:00] * dmsuse agrees with drazyl
[18:00] <zleap> drazyeah
[18:00] <zleap> yeah
[18:00] <TopherBrink> i wonder how much time i would waste attempting to get uplink to compile
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[18:01] <Matt> and for your disk usage, it's all gonna depend on what you're using
[18:01] <flaushy> depending on use case you might spend /var a partition
[18:01] <dmsuse> Thorn_: the haxor game?
[18:01] <Matt> or alternatively, put it all in LVM
[18:01] <flaushy> so logs dont fill up your system
[18:01] <flaushy> but all in / sounds good as well
[18:01] <dmsuse> TopherBrink: *
[18:01] <Matt> and leave a chunk unallocated
[18:01] <TopherBrink> yeah
[18:01] <Matt> then you can grow your LVs as required
[18:02] <drazyl> LVM is probably a great idea
[18:02] <drazyl> but personally I hate it
[18:02] <drazyl> :)
[18:02] * Matt used to have /boot, /, /home, /var, /usr and /tmp all on separate filesystems
[18:02] <Matt> but that's overkill and a pain to manage :)
[18:02] <Dagger2> alternative: install swapspace and forget about manually sizing your swap
[18:02] <zleap> having /home separate does help if - re installing
[18:03] <dmsuse> why would you reinstall?
[18:03] <drazyl> upgrade distro
[18:03] <dmsuse> you can do that with apt distupgrade
[18:03] <dmsuse> or something
[18:03] <zleap> well i am doing a clean install of ubuntu 12.04
[18:03] <drazyl> not to a completely different distro you cant
[18:03] <dmsuse> ah
[18:04] <drazyl> my /home is a separate disk and I have gone from rh something thru most fedoras, an ubuntu or two to current distro without losing data
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[18:04] <flaushy> drazyl: sounds like a plea to a no backup strategy ;)
[18:04] <drazyl> probably
[18:04] <drazyl> :)
[18:05] <drazyl> important stuff is on the network, but loads of crap in my home
[18:05] <flaushy> yeah
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[18:05] <dmsuse> its sooo sunny today :D
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[18:06] <flaushy> and back to university stuff
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[18:07] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: wb
[18:07] <IT_Sean> thx
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[18:12] <TopherBrink> wolf4sdl buffer overflow detected
[18:12] <TopherBrink> darn
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[18:13] <drazyl> apparently I have 164GB in home plus some files I don't have permission to (!)
[18:13] <IT_Sean> that's a lot of porn.
[18:13] <Cheery> I feel I should backup
[18:14] * drazyl blames eclipse
[18:14] <exfileme> crap my keyboard is cranking out the pound symbol instead of #
[18:14] <drazyl> ecellent, welcome to the cool side of the pond
[18:15] <IT_Sean> you mean... ?? instad of #
[18:15] <IT_Sean> what layout do you have it set for?
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[18:15] <drazyl> 'correct'
[18:15] <drazyl> :)
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[18:15] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes.
[18:15] <ReggieUK> try the tilde key (unshifteD)
[18:15] <eigoom> this reminds me, I need to repartition my computer, I used the default partitioning for Arch, so my system partition only has 7GB
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[18:16] <[TH]exfileme> heh
[18:16] <[TH]exfileme> sup kev
[18:17] <exfileme> sup kev
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[18:17] <mkopack> exfileme: Yeah, you need to change the keymap to US??? The images default to UK
[18:17] <[TH]exfileme> yeah i havent gotten to that yet
[18:18] <shirro> mkopack: and the timezone, and the locale
[18:18] <mkopack> Yup
[18:18] <shirro> for debian: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/keyboard-layout/#p70813
[18:18] <[TH]exfileme> i changed the timezone but havent figured out they keyboard thing yet
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[18:18] <[TH]exfileme> man this client is UGLY lol
[18:18] <Matt> UK keymap on US keyboard isn't really usable, unfortunately
[18:18] <Matt> IIRC, you tend to end up having no key mapped to \|
[18:19] <mkopack> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:19] <tehtrb> [th]exfileme urm ... what client would you prefer ? irssi ftw !
[18:19] <mkopack> [TH]exfileme: do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:19] <[TH]exfileme> i sudo installed irssi
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[18:19] <Matt> or more accurately, having \ and | not mapped to any key
[18:19] <shirro> mkopack: thanks - I never worked that one out - manual edit is clumsy
[18:19] <Matt> or at least, not one that exists
[18:19] <mkopack> That will let you set up the keymap
[18:19] <mkopack> I had to pick: remap the keyboard to 101Key international, US, no special keys.
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[18:30] <[TH]exfileme> hmm
[18:30] <[TH]exfileme> ??
[18:31] <drazyl> ???
[18:31] <Hydrazine> $
[18:31] <drazyl> ??
[18:31] <[TH]exfileme> still no number sign
[18:31] <[TH]exfileme> reboot?
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[18:46] * IT_Sean blinks
[18:46] <[TH]exfileme> w00t
[18:46] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:46] <Hydrazine> works?
[18:46] <IT_Sean> #?
[18:46] <IT_Sean> ...?
[18:46] <[TH]exfileme> I have a #
[18:47] <Hydrazine> yay
[18:47] * IT_Sean replaces [TH]exfileme's # with a ??
[18:47] <[TH]exfileme> doh
[18:47] <IT_Sean> tehe!
[18:47] <[TH]exfileme> i'm like getting NO work done lol
[18:47] <dmsuse> :o
[18:47] <[TH]exfileme> rPi is addicting
[18:47] * Hydrazine knows that feel
[18:48] <dmsuse> ing
[18:48] * IT_Sean isn't getting anything done, but... it's lunchtime, so...
[18:48] <mkopack> You know, nothing makes you realize how many screwed up people there are in the world than reading the comments on ANY news article posted by CNN.com
[18:48] <Hydrazine> hehe
[18:48] <IT_Sean> I stopped reading guest comments on any website about a decade ago.
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[18:49] <dmsuse> they had comments a decade ago?
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[18:49] <Cheery> yes
[18:49] <Cheery> odd thing
[18:50] <Cheery> this manual says that ARM reset event overrides fast interrupts and data abort.
[18:50] <Cheery> and they all are 'events'
[18:50] <Cheery> hm. not manual but random pdf in web
[18:51] <ReggieUK> so where is the issue?
[18:51] <Cheery> just feeling this thing represents it all in more convoluted fashion than necessary
[18:52] <Cheery> every event has it's handler?
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[18:53] <Cheery> hm
[18:54] <Cheery> external and internal interrupts are handled with different handler..
[18:54] <Cheery> ?
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[18:55] <ReggieUK> well, all roads lead to rome and yes they will have a different handler (or handlers depending on how the interrupt is set) but there is a heirarchy and reset it would appear is king :)
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[18:57] <ReggieUK> which seems sensible as reset in general means you want it to stop everything right this nanosecond and put yourself in a default state to start the reboot process
[18:58] <Cheery> O_o vector table.. starts at 0x0000000
[18:58] <Cheery> so I've been looking at it all the time
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[18:59] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/27971/
[19:00] <Cheery> sits straight in there!
[19:00] <Cheery> -_-
[19:01] <Cheery> 0x0-0x20
[19:03] <Cheery> it's quite funny in fact.
[19:03] <Cheery> and FIQ can go directly.. although that has no merits.
[19:04] <Cheery> not many merits at least.
[19:04] <Cheery> ReggieUK: so this is very simple stuff.
[19:05] <ReggieUK> :)
[19:05] <Cheery> I'd better yet look at register configuration to understand it better still.
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[19:07] <TopherBrink> fine wolf4sdl, you dont want to run, i accept it
[19:07] <TopherBrink> next
[19:07] <Cheery> apparently there's a register called 'processor status register'
[19:07] <Cheery> which holds IRQ and FIQ masks.
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[19:08] <mkopack> Anyone get a Farnell/ Element14/Newark order status update in the last couple days?
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[19:09] <flaushy> mkopack: yepe
[19:10] <mkopack> dammit??? Nothing from Newark for me
[19:10] * IT_Sean is still waiting.
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[19:10] <dmsuse> i don't think i can wait any longer :(
[19:11] <Cheery> dmsuse: what are you going to do?
[19:11] <dmsuse> i would be quite happy to get one off ebay if they were around ??60 :P
[19:11] <dmsuse> other than that, cry
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[19:12] <dmsuse> if we were a communist country we would all have one each by now :P
[19:13] <dmsuse> free :D
[19:13] <flaushy> hmm in ddr they waited around 10 years for a car...
[19:13] <IT_Sean> Yeah, but they woldn't work, and it would take 5 years to get it replaced.
[19:13] <dmsuse> ddr?
[19:13] <flaushy> GDR
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[19:14] <flaushy> german democratic republic
[19:14] <dmsuse> ah
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[19:14] <dmsuse> yeah but a car is really costly to make :P
[19:15] <flaushy> right. Bananas were scarce as well ^^
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[19:15] <bikcmp> anyone know how to execute a linux patch?
[19:15] <Cheery> just a common git patch?
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[19:16] <Cheery> http://ariejan.net/2009/10/26/how-to-create-and-apply-a-patch-with-git
[19:16] <jaxdahl> anyone else ever have a mini heart attack when they log into newark/element14 and click on invoices and see nothing? (instead of clicking order history)
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[19:17] * IT_Sean has never done that.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> THe watched kettle never ships, jaxdahl
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[19:17] <Cheery> lol
[19:17] <jaxdahl> i log in so infrequently i don't know where to click first
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[19:18] <dmsuse> how fast does a pi boot?
[19:18] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: how hard can you kick it?
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[19:18] <dmsuse> boot to terminal that is not X
[19:18] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: lol
[19:19] <IT_Sean> i'd say "fairly quickly"
[19:19] <dmsuse> you commited yourself to a really exact figure there
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[19:19] <Cheery> I wonder how fast it'll be calling CPU RESET
[19:19] <TopherBrink> it boots at 60mph
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[19:20] <dmsuse> im gona have my pi work as a choke on my car :P
[19:20] <dmsuse> and heater by voice command :o
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[19:21] <Cheery> oh no. this is bit retarded after all
[19:22] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: How old is your car that it still has a manual choke?
[19:22] <dmsuse> 1994 :P
[19:22] <Cheery> I need to reserve another dword aside the vector table and LDR pc with it. :/
[19:22] <IT_Sean> 0.o
[19:24] <Cheery> and most often nobody cares about placing all the kernel interrupts down to 16kB so they do that LDR
[19:24] <Cheery> well.. cpu event handlers..
[19:24] <Cheery> in other hand this is quite fun. :)
[19:24] <dmsuse> Cheery: what are you doing, sounds technical
[19:25] <Cheery> dmsuse: I'm preparing for getting my pi.
[19:25] <dmsuse> you compiling your own kernel ?
[19:25] <Cheery> that's what I'm aiming for.
[19:26] <Cheery> except that I don't have 'my own kernel' yet. :)
[19:26] <dmsuse> i had to do that on gentoo, was a pain in the ass :P
[19:26] <Cheery> although that seems to be really quick to fix.
[19:26] <Cheery> oh you mean 'your own linux kernel' ?
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[19:27] <dmsuse> just having the bare minimum what you need, instead of millions of modules you don't need
[19:27] <dmsuse> i gave up in the end
[19:27] <Cheery> of course I'm going to play with debian SD a bit.. but I think I'll want to throw in my own kernel.img quite fast in. :)
[19:28] <dmsuse> cool
[19:28] <TopherBrink> darkplaces no compily. ccl error unrecognised command line option -msse2
[19:28] <Cheery> guessing I'll first make it light a PWR led on/off, similar to what that haikupi -package was doing.
[19:28] <TopherBrink> next
[19:28] <Cheery> after that going to hook it up to UART.
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[19:29] <Cheery> overall I'd assume it's going to be fun.
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[19:29] <TopherBrink> no quake then, sigh
[19:29] <Cheery> a mix of ARM assembly, C, and perhaps something of my own.
[19:29] <dmsuse> Cheery: ooo, post some info on how you do that :P
[19:30] <Cheery> dmsuse: better.. I think I'll make a repository full of small example kernels.
[19:30] <Cheery> for rpi
[19:31] <dmsuse> woot
[19:31] <Cheery> documented ones so one knows why something gets dhone.
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[19:37] <OneFix_Work> Any info on how Allied Electric will ship rPis? I was told 2 weeks ago that mine is due to be shipped today...
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[19:41] <dmsuse> OneFix_Work: this is an unofficial chat, i doubt you will get delivery details here, best to contact the supplier
[19:41] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[19:41] <IT_Sean> sorry. we don't have shipping details.
[19:41] <OneFix_Work> Yea, I know...just thought someone else might have had theirs shipped today too :)
[19:42] <OneFix_Work> I still find the $200 rPis on ebay kind of funny...
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[19:42] <dmsuse> lol yeah, makes me wish i made sure i was first in queue :P
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[19:43] <plugwash> Generally price will settle approximate at the point where supply intersects demand, there wasn't much supply (most people who got them seem to have kept them) and there was some demand from those who wanted to start Pi based projects sooner rather than later so the price settled high
[19:43] <OneFix_Work> dmsuse: I mean, what do these people want to do with it that they are willing to pay more than a BeagleBoard for the thing?
[19:44] <dmsuse> well i prefer the pi over the beagle purely because of the power consumption, what other people see in it, i have no clue lol
[19:44] <OneFix_Work> plugwash: They should have done what I did then and use QEMU
[19:44] <plugwash> IMO probablly the people willing to pay the most would be wanting to develop and sell things to go with the Pi (cases, addon boards etc)
[19:44] <OneFix_Work> plugwash: You can run QEMU from an SD card until they are available everywhere.
[19:45] <plugwash> OneFix_Work, qemu does not emulate a Pi, it can emulate a system with the same CPU core and the same ammount of ram but everything else is likely to be different
[19:45] <plugwash> so it's of pretty limited utility
[19:45] <Caver> qemu still doesn't emulate the GPU sadly!
[19:46] <OneFix_Work> plugwash: Umh, you can find exact specifications for the board online...so, cases don't make sense...addon boards maybe, but my guess is those people could probably contact the foundation to get one sooner.
[19:46] <OneFix_Work> plugwash: QEMU emulates enough to test software projects for the pi
[19:47] <OneFix_Work> Caver: That's true too...but then again, I think the rPi's GPU drivers are still very much under development
[19:47] <Caver> sniggers yes I know
[19:48] <Caver> they will happen I know
[19:48] <plugwash> OneFix_Work, the best i've seen online is measurements of a beta board with gert's ruler, if I was going to sell a case i'd sure as hell want to try and actual pi in there before going into production
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[19:48] <Caver> well you can some over and borrow mine and see if it fits if your in the uk
[19:48] <OneFix_Work> plugwash: Well, that hasn't stopped numerous cases appearing on ShapeWays
[19:49] <Caver> *come over
[19:49] <dmsuse> anyone see that case on ebay, which was just a cigarette packet...did they also see how much it sold for? lol
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[19:50] <Caver> ahahah
[19:50] <Caver> thats what I keep mine in!
[19:50] <dmsuse> lol
[19:50] <Caver> just remember to remove the foil 1st
[19:50] <dmsuse> lmao
[19:50] <Cheery> hmm
[19:51] <dmsuse> the only computer case to come with death warnings
[19:51] <Cheery> I might buy pi for $200 if I had better budget
[19:51] <Caver> *grins*
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[19:51] <Caver> well @ uk ciggy prices, it does nearly double the Pi's cost
[19:51] <flaushy> o.O
[19:52] <mkopack> SpaceX test fire of the Falcon9's engines in about an hour. Coverages on spacex.com, starts in about 40 minutes
[19:52] <dmsuse> what is so good about that engine?
[19:52] <mkopack> ? The F9's engines?
[19:52] <Caver> the big bang, when it doesn't work?
[19:52] <dmsuse> yeah
[19:53] <dmsuse> but, what is different?
[19:53] <mkopack> Eh, commercial spaceflight launch??? private company, not a gov launch
[19:53] <mkopack> It's a cluster of 9 engines
[19:53] <mkopack> Less interested in the rocket as the fact that it's going to be the first test flight to try to dock with the ISS
[19:54] <dmsuse> ooo
[19:54] <mkopack> (that is when they do the actual launch, currently planned for next week)
[19:54] <dmsuse> whats the poinr
[19:54] <dmsuse> t
[19:54] <dmsuse> they are closing the iss down in 7 years
[19:54] <mkopack> ???
[19:55] <mkopack> Eh, that's the CURRENT plan, but they still need to get cargo/supplies up and back
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[19:55] <mkopack> And the Dragon+Falcon were designed from the get-go to be man-rated???
[19:55] <dmsuse> its so stupid
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[19:55] <mkopack> Assuming the cargo Dragon works correctly, there's a good chance they'll get the go-ahead to outfit it for people so we can get crew up and back
[19:55] <dmsuse> why dont they just leave it up there and let the russians have it
[19:56] <mkopack> instead of having to buy from the Russians
[19:56] <mkopack> ???
[19:56] <mkopack> Are you nuts?
[19:56] <dmsuse> no?
[19:56] <mkopack> Let me guess, you're one of those "we have more important problems to solve down here" types
[19:56] <dmsuse> the russians already built half of it :p
[19:56] <mkopack> Um, the russians built WAY LESS than 1/2 of it
[19:56] <dmsuse> just don't see the point in destroying it when nothing is wrong with it :P
[19:56] <mkopack> They supplied 4 modules and supply shipts
[19:57] <TopherBrink> america is being silly anyway. slicing nasa, giving money to private groups... to do nasa's job.
[19:57] <mkopack> well, some of the modules were only designed for a lifespan of 20 years. The problem is it took like 10+ years to build the whole thing because of the Columbia disaster
[19:57] <dmsuse> 20 years, what's going to happen, it's going to rust in space? lol
[19:57] <TopherBrink> still, isnt it the spacex guy who happens to be good friends with obama, entirely coincidentally of course.
[19:57] <mkopack> Eh, I think it's smart doing it this way.
[19:57] <esotera> not if the privatisation improves competition and reduces the price of shuttles, which is what seems to be happening
[19:58] <mkopack> the problem with NASA is that it can't do squat without permission of Congress+President, and those change constantly, each with new agendas and priorities
[19:58] <TopherBrink> that gets us to LEO. then what
[19:58] <TopherBrink> they cannot make a profit going further
[19:58] <mkopack> And NASA has to do things in a horribly inefficient way to get jobs all over the country to buy votes and get support on the hill.
[19:58] <TopherBrink> and there is a huge difference between orbit and getting out further
[19:58] <esotera> but it will cost whoever wants to go further, far less
[19:59] <esotera> government or the private sector
[19:59] <mkopack> SpaceX does everything itself. It's cost per pound to orbit is WAYYYYYYY less (by orders of magnitude) than anything NASA uses
[19:59] <mkopack> NASA does the farther out stuff, and the research, the companies take it and commercialize it and follow behind NASA
[20:00] <TopherBrink> you cant commercialise it enough to make profit going further out
[20:00] <TopherBrink> the cost difference is huge
[20:00] <mkopack> Depends on what you go and do - there was that new group formed to figure out how to do asteroid mining.
[20:00] <mkopack> If they can make that happen they could make a killing
[20:01] <TopherBrink> (i attended a talk last year by apollo 15's al worden and one the year before by charlie duke of apollo 16 - both said this.)
[20:01] <TopherBrink> its not a profitable place to go
[20:01] <esotera> yet.
[20:02] <mkopack> honestly, the biggest expense is getting into orbit??? Once you're there, you've beaten 90% of the gravity well...
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[20:02] <mkopack> So use commercial to get all the parts up into orbit for those deeper missions, assemble in orbit, and then NASA goes out deeper
[20:02] <TopherBrink> to get further costs a huge amount more
[20:03] <TopherBrink> how is nasa going to go out deeper when their funding is being diverted to private
[20:03] <mkopack> And if SpaceX's plans to make their F9/Dragon completely fly-back-reuseable work, that will reduce the costs even more
[20:03] <TopherBrink> it doesnt work for private businesses
[20:03] <mkopack> TopherBrink: Ok, let's think about that for a second....
[20:03] <mkopack> What was the average cost for a shuttle launch?
[20:03] <mkopack> 1.5 BILLION per launch
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[20:04] <mkopack> If SPACEX only charges $400M per launch, or even $800M to launch an F9-Heavy, that's SAVING NASA money, which allows them to do more with less funding from congress
[20:04] <TopherBrink> i'm choosing to believe the people who've been out furthest know what it takes
[20:04] <ReggieUK> no no no no no
[20:05] <mkopack> As long as NASA has to kiss the president's and congresses ass and those groups control what NASA does, we're going nowhere fast
[20:05] <ReggieUK> it allows them to do more with the same funding from congress!!!!!!!!
[20:05] <mkopack> ReggieUK: Yeah,that too
[20:05] <ReggieUK> I Thought of an easy way to get nasa funding
[20:05] <TopherBrink> kickstart
[20:05] <TopherBrink> er
[20:05] <mkopack> How many times has NASA's direction been changed by different presidents and congresses in the last 15 years alone?
[20:05] <ReggieUK> convince congress that theres something in space that will help fight the war on terror/drugs
[20:05] <TopherBrink> NASA kickstarter
[20:05] <TopherBrink> hmm
[20:05] <ReggieUK> instant win
[20:06] <ReggieUK> tell them that the taliban have a moonbase
[20:06] <mkopack> "We're building a space station", " we're building a new shuttle replacement" , "We're going back to the moon to stay" "We're going to an asteroid" "We're going to Mars" " Nope, we're going back to an asteroid", etc.
[20:06] <mkopack> How the F do they expect NASA to DO anything when the mission changes constantly and each requires different hardware?
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[20:06] <mkopack> And then congress BITCHES about the prices spiraling out of control...
[20:06] <TopherBrink> dawn probe ftw
[20:06] <mkopack> Let's thing about that last point...
[20:07] <TopherBrink> constellation, etc
[20:07] <mkopack> If I tell you that a project is going to take 5 years and $100M, a decent portion of that cost is the fixed cost of facilities and manpower over those 5 years.
[20:08] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, costs do overrun
[20:08] <mkopack> If you tell me "Nope, I'm only going to give you $80M" I have to slow roll some things, spreading the project out over 6 years. But now I've just incurred another 1 year of facilities and personnel costs
[20:08] <mkopack> so NOW the project COSTS more
[20:08] <mkopack> DUH
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[20:09] <mkopack> It's like when congress complains about the cost of F-22's going up, so they chop the number they're going to buy??? That makes the cost of each plane go UP - the company making them has to amortize out the R&D costs over a shorter production run, so the cost per plane increases
[20:09] <ReggieUK> nasa needs an arduino
[20:09] <mkopack> You want to keep costs per item low? Make LOTS of them
[20:09] <dmsuse> lol]
[20:09] <ReggieUK> then they can keep the core and build a new shield when congress move the goalposts
[20:09] <mkopack> I think that's kind why they kept the Orion
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[20:10] <mkopack> And why they're totally over designing it to deal with reentry from Mars or deep space OR the moon
[20:10] <mkopack> It's WAY over engineered just to be a crew escape from ISS vehicle
[20:10] <ReggieUK> trouble is, what you and I see as funding for future advances in humanity can be seen as neglecting the needy in the present
[20:10] <ReggieUK> swings and roundabouts really
[20:11] <dmsuse> why dont the iss crew just wear magnets on their feet?
[20:11] <ReggieUK> politicians will constantly move the posts to suit their agenda of the day
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[20:12] <mkopack> ReggieUK: Well, I counter that by saying, I'd rather put those people to WORK rather than just give them a hand out. If I spend a bunch on a space program, that employs not only a bunch of engineers, but janitors, managers, electricians, welders, secretaries, etc. Those people all make money and spend it on goods and services which employs other people and so on
[20:12] <mkopack> So I'd rather spend the money and have something PRODUCED at the end rather than just hand it out and then 6 months later they're looking for another hand out
[20:12] <mkopack> Teach a man to fish and all that
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[20:13] <TopherBrink> indeed
[20:14] <mkopack> And one of the reason I like that SpaceX is private is they don't HAVE to care WTF congress gets up it's butt this week??? They built the system to specs but also to their own internal needs so they can service multiple markets
[20:14] <ReggieUK> mkopack, yeah, ideally that would be nice but as most of the money gets to the top end of education jobs etc. it doesn't target the people most in need
[20:14] <mkopack> Look at it this way - IF that group wanting to mine asteroids goes through with it, they're going to need to buy launch capability??? If SpaceX can provide it, good for SpaceX - they don't have to wait on congress to give them permission
[20:15] <mkopack> ReggieUK: Well, THAT is another problem altogether
[20:15] <ReggieUK> oh sure, I Think spaceX is probably going to be a very good thing for nasa
[20:15] <ReggieUK> as long as they can hold the dogs off that want to eat their funding
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[20:16] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:16] <ReggieUK> public sector projects tend to splurge in some circumstances
[20:16] <mkopack> Honestly, I think there's a better chance of a private enterprise getting to an Asteroid sooner than NASA can at this point
[20:16] <dmsuse> i can't see that going well
[20:16] <ReggieUK> although nasa is a bit more of a special case
[20:16] <mkopack> Well, yeah, because it's all about buying votes
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[20:17] <dmsuse> politicians should not be paid in my opinion
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[20:17] <dmsuse> that'll fix everything
[20:17] <mkopack> Although you have to admit, that whole 50:1 multiplier NASA performs to the economy is impressive. Every $1 spent on NASA = $50 in economic activity
[20:17] <ReggieUK> I think they should be paid but not nearly so much as they are
[20:17] <mkopack> Agreed dmsuse
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[20:17] <dmsuse> nah no pay at all, that way they would need to really care to want the job
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[20:17] <ReggieUK> seperate the wheat from the chaff to some extent
[20:18] <mkopack> Well, they largely don't make much as congresspersons - they make the big $$$ after they leave congress and become lobbyers and write books and such
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[20:19] <dmsuse> write books, i guess that is why piratebay is being blocked :P
[20:19] <mkopack> SpaceX also is changing the economics of spaceflight...
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Not quite yet.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: If the reusability plans kick in - then in a _big_ way
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> ~$5000/kg doesn't change much.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> ~$500/kg massively does.
[20:21] <esotera> how would a raspberry pi fare in sub-space orbit?
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> There is no such thing as sub-space orbit.
[20:21] <esotera> someone managed to get an iphone up there, so why not an rp
[20:21] <esotera> *not entirely out of the earth's atmosphere
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> If you mean approximately ISS orbit, then it wil randomly reboot.
[20:22] <dmsuse> ooooo you gave me an idea :D
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Absolutely fine, with no issues other than temperature.
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[20:23] <mkopack> For instance - right now, if I need a guidance system for my rocket, I basically have like 2 compaies I can buy it from, and both might only offer products that are quite a big overblown for my needs, but I don't have much choice. And BOTH expect to make a profit on them. So I end up paying a ton for more capability than I need, probably is larger than I'd like, so I need to up the size of my launcher to support it, and it costing me
[20:23] <mkopack> fortune.
[20:23] <mkopack> SpaceX builds EVERYTHING themselves. They can directly control their costs . NO middle men with markups all along the way. No extra costs incurred to ship parts all over the country, the way NASA has to to spread work all over to buy votes
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> With cheap launch, you can dramatically cut costs on payloads.
[20:25] <TopherBrink> yes cheap sounds good for safety
[20:25] <Matt> mkopack: you may be interested at the stuff U of T is doing
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> Cheap and safety are orthogonal.
[20:25] <Matt> http://www.utias-sfl.net/
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> To a degree.
[20:26] <mkopack> Speed: Well, see I see it more as "eliminating/controlling WASTE" that exists in the NASA way of doing things
[20:26] <mkopack> increasing efficiency
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> For example, in a few hours, spacex are doing an actual full-thrust test fire of their launcher that's launching next week.
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Couldn't do that with shuttle.
[20:26] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, I believe they did that 1/2 an hour ago didn't they?
[20:26] <Matt> then again, they're more on the satellite site of things
[20:26] <ReggieUK> 7pm gmt?
[20:26] <Matt> rather than the launcher
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[20:27] <mkopack> 30 minutes from now
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> That sort of stuff vastly increases reliability
[20:27] <mkopack> coverage starts on Spacex.com in about 5 minutes
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> The webcast, available at spacex.com, is set to begin at 2:30 PM ET/ 11:30 AM PT, with the actual static fire targeted for 3:00 PM ET/ 12:00 PM PT.
[20:27] <mkopack> And no, you couldn't do a FULL live-fire test with the shuttle because of the SRB's but they DID do SSME test fires on the pad with the full Shuttle Stack a few times back in the early 80's with the first couple flights
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> 12PM PDT is 8PM I think
[20:28] <mkopack> Like I said, 30 minutes from now
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: yes.
[20:28] <mkopack> it's 2:30 eastern right now
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[20:29] <mkopack> So, yeah, even though I work for Lockheed, I'm a big SpaceX supporter
[20:30] <mkopack> I'd like to see all the commercial space companies succeed
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[20:30] <mkopack> It's the only way we're getting off this rock??? Wait for Gov to do it and we're going to be dinosaurs
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> NASA does so many things wrong.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> Venturestar.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> How to reduce space launch costs.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> 'I know, let's put three seperate untried technologies on it'
[20:31] <dmsuse> just build a big tower :P
[20:31] <TopherBrink> damn you fitzquake
[20:31] <TopherBrink> specified video mode not available
[20:31] <gregrob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> I've also noted that if you take the SLS cost to flight 2, then instead of a hundred tons in orbit, if you buy spacex launches with the development money - you get between 7500 and 20000 tons in orbit.
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[20:35] <SpeedEvil> If you can't do a pretty decent start to a proper space station with 20000 tons in orbit, you fail - hard.
[20:35] <mkopack> There was an AWESOME book I found online one time published by NASA explaining the history of the Shuttle.. OMG it's amazing that thing EVER flew
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[20:37] <mkopack> And Venturestar (X-33) was only supposed to be a tech demonstrator??? Problem is to get congressional support to fund the test program they had to sell it as "shuttle replacement"
[20:37] <mkopack> See why I HATE congress so much?
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> I know it was a tech demonstartor.
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> But it was supposed to lead to a followon vehicle.
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[20:37] <SpeedEvil> And to do that, it killed DC-X
[20:38] <mkopack> Yeah
[20:38] <mkopack> I wonder whatever happened with that Linear Aerospike engine design? Susprised nobody has revived that
[20:38] <mkopack> LM must own patents on it or something
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> I'd guess the benefits aren't huge.
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Beginning now
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[20:39] <mkopack> And the website is hammered
[20:40] <mkopack> LOL
[20:40] <mkopack> Or maybe it's just my connect having a hard time keeping up
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> I get a smooth stream
[20:41] <mkopack> use be my connection then. I'm on 4G and BARELY getting signal where I a,
[20:41] <mkopack> am
[20:41] <mkopack> Take that back. 3G!
[20:41] <mkopack> ouch
[20:41] <TopherBrink> working for me
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[20:41] <mkopack> Ok, mine then
[20:42] <TopherBrink> damn it fitzquake how do i set your video mode
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[20:44] <mkopack> I'll probably miss the fire anyhow??? Need to pay my lunch check and head back to the office
[20:44] <Matt> late lunch
[20:44] <mkopack> Yeah.
[20:44] <TopherBrink> 17 minutes
[20:44] <mkopack> SLOW day at the office???
[20:44] <mkopack> everyone else on my team is out today
[20:44] <mkopack> Coming back from the US Science Festival
[20:46] <mkopack> Leaning Tower of Falcon? LOL
[20:47] <dmsuse> how can you say 4g
[20:47] <dmsuse> 4g isnt even out yet
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[20:48] <mkopack> WiMax. 4G
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[20:48] <dmsuse> yeah that's not 4g lmao
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[20:53] <TopherBrink> 8 minutes til rocket fire/big bang
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[20:53] <TopherBrink> never know which to root for seeing
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[20:53] <dmsuse> TopherBrink: its gona fail :o
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> I vote for an accidental launch and successful docking with the space station.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> 'bugger, we left the wrong disk in'
[20:54] <dmsuse> i vote for spiral out of control :P
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[20:55] <ReggieUK> who's kylie CD is this in the launch computer cd drive?
[20:55] <TopherBrink> i liked what al worden told us about the lack of computer memory on the apollo csm. they didnt have enough memory for all the programs they needed and one had to be left out and loaded in flight. it was called "return to earth".
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[20:55] <TopherBrink> kind of important
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[20:59] <mozzwald> those birds better watch out
[21:00] <TopherBrink> stream getting more and more hammered
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> Fairly smooth here
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> I think they may have aborted the count
[21:01] <TopherBrink> 40 sec
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[21:02] <TopherBrink> holding
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[21:03] <mkopack> YAY, looks like I made it back in time.
[21:03] <mkopack> Any word on what the Hold is for?
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[21:04] <TopherBrink> nope
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[21:04] <TopherBrink> possibly just so you could get back in time
[21:05] <mkopack> hehe
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Someone mentioned 'transients'
[21:05] <mkopack> Oooh, um, that's usually indicative of some reading not staying stable
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[21:05] <SpeedEvil> wierd pressure readings? Actually - it was shortly after fragon went on internal power
[21:05] <mkopack> like a pressure reading or something
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> maybe electrical
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[21:05] <mkopack> yeah
[21:06] * SpeedEvil wonders what the vapour in the foreground of the image is
[21:06] <mkopack> that's the fire tunnel
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Oh - yeah
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> was just about to say that
[21:06] <mkopack> the engine exhaust is shot out through that tunnel
[21:07] <mkopack> Which means this is a really crappy camera angle because as soon as those engines light this view will be totally obscured
[21:08] <mkopack> Damn, if I didn't have to be back at the office, I would have stayed at lunch
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[21:09] <mkopack> Hope this doesn't require a scrub
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[21:09] <mkopack> but wouldn't be surprised if it did. This IS a test flight after all
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[21:11] <SpeedEvil> Twitter says 'reviewing data' following 'terminal count aborted'
[21:12] <mkopack> Well ,the good thing is, this isn't a launch, so they don't have a "window" they have to fit in, the don't need to hold air + sea traffic in launch+recovery areas, etc, so they can work the problem
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[21:16] <ReggieUK> I wonder if they've tried turning it off and back on again?
[21:17] <TopherBrink> "did you remember to put the fuel in?" "oh hell..."
[21:17] <TopherBrink> holding on 13 then
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[21:19] <ReggieUK> is that diesel or unleaded you're putting in that jerry can?
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[21:20] <TopherBrink> telling you any second now on the video feed we're going to see a guy jogging out there really fast with a jerry can
[21:20] <ReggieUK> or a crank handle
[21:21] <TopherBrink> no that would be ridiculous
[21:21] <ReggieUK> or the filler cap :D
[21:21] <mkopack> Ok, so they reset to give it another go
[21:21] <mkopack> Like the old line from "War Games" - "Hell, I'd piss on the spark plug if I thought it'd help!"
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[21:22] <TopherBrink> which will finish first, tyrquake building on rpi or this hold
[21:23] <mkopack> Well, I'd had a running bet with a friend that SpaceX will launch to the ISS before I get my Rpi
[21:23] <mkopack> And so far, I'm winning
[21:23] <NucWin> winning!
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[21:24] <TopherBrink> tyrquake done
[21:24] <TopherBrink> spacex failed
[21:24] <NucWin> i thought it was funny when got email suggesting i download an os ready for my pi arriving in 2-3months
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[21:29] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[21:29] <danieldaniel> What was that regulator I needed again?
[21:29] <danieldaniel> for the battery to raspi thing?
[21:30] <danieldaniel> 78something, I think
[21:30] <Hydrazine> 7805 i think
[21:30] <Davespice> woohoo, just compiled open transport tycoon for the R-pi - runs okay too, playable, will be better with an accelerated X driver though :)
[21:30] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, do you have any idea of real/empirical power draw of pandaboard?
[21:30] <danieldaniel> Hydrazine: Sounds right
[21:31] <Davespice> anyone wants a copy pm me and I can share the binaries
[21:31] <mkopack> Um, 5V, up to 4A
[21:31] <mkopack> so up to 20W
[21:31] <TopherBrink> Quake 1 running on RPi
[21:31] <mkopack> But that's if you have EVEYRTHING on and running full blast
[21:31] <TopherBrink> tyrquake ftw
[21:31] <mkopack> Wifi, BT,Ethernet, GPU, etc.
[21:31] <mkopack> Full draw on both USB ports, etc.
[21:32] <mkopack> (reminds me, I need to do the mod to enable the other 2 USB ports
[21:32] <mkopack> Then I wouldn't need the hub for it
[21:33] <Matt> well, that's the bettle on
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[21:33] <[TH]exfileme> quake 1 on rPi? where? how to get? ;)
[21:33] <Matt> kettle even
[21:33] <RITRedbeard> apparently Q3 has been optimized pretty well for Raspberry Pi from what I've seen
[21:34] <zleap> nice
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[21:34] <RITRedbeard> unless the shots with 113 FPS are just optimal case :P
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[21:34] <TopherBrink> its tyr-quake built from arch linux user repository
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[21:35] <TopherBrink> trying to get resolution changed now
[21:35] <TopherBrink> its in a tiny box at top corner of screen
[21:35] <BenO> RITRedbeard, was it being played or running a demo?
[21:35] <RITRedbeard> I dunno was on raspberry pi front page
[21:35] <RITRedbeard> lastest update I think
[21:37] <mkopack> News on the fire
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[21:37] <mkopack> Looks like they're going to reset and try again??? but from 20:00
[21:38] <mkopack> Some limit check value was set too low or something
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[21:40] <TopherBrink> cant get resolution changed
[21:40] <TopherBrink> hrm
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[21:51] <mkopack> https://p.twimg.com/ArwPDQVCIAA5GHP.jpg
[21:51] <mkopack> Cool
[21:51] <mkopack> That's Falcon 9 control room
[21:51] <markus> powered by a raspberry pi
[21:51] <TopherBrink> woot, quake 1 now at decent res
[21:52] <TopherBrink> not performing great
[21:52] <TopherBrink> tweak time
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[21:53] <OneFix_Work> Anyone else see the Intel NUC?
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[21:55] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: Yeah??? Meh
[21:55] <mkopack> Totally different price point and target audience
[21:55] <mkopack> and once you add in the ram, storage and everything else, you'll looking at about $200
[21:55] <mkopack> And it'll use a LOT more power
[21:58] <amandarn> Guys, sorry to ask, but anyone here have been using opencv bindings for Python3, by any chance ?
[21:59] <TopherBrink> quake 1 at 320x240 windowed mode (manually resized) runs acceptable
[21:59] <TopherBrink> no audio though
[21:59] <BenO> amandarn, nope - py 2.x though
[21:59] <BenO> and they were slightly broken
[21:59] <TopherBrink> and fullscreen doesnt appear to work
[21:59] <amandarn> BenO: I'm migrating all my projects to 3... :'(
[22:00] <BenO> amandarn, You have my sympathies then ;)
[22:00] <amandarn> Thanks :x
[22:00] <amandarn> I could ask the same question for FANN, too, by the way
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[22:01] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea, but in a few years the NUC could be a sub-$100 device
[22:01] <BenO> amandarn, nope, haven't used the bindings - are you thinking of running it on the Pi?
[22:01] <amandarn> Most probably, yeah...
[22:01] <amandarn> When I have one :(
[22:02] <amandarn> For now, just coding on some random laptop
[22:04] <BenO> amandarn, Cool - I had looked at playing with FANN and the kinect before but er... brute forced what I wanted ;)
[22:04] <amandarn> haha
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[22:04] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: we'll see. I just don't' think it's an "Rpi killer"
[22:04] <amandarn> Well, I played with fann and the kinect very recently, actually, for a school project
[22:05] <mkopack> Not at that price point
[22:05] <mkopack> different use case
[22:06] <mkopack> Ok, countdown is running again! 10:20 to go
[22:07] <RITRedbeard> I thought HDCP was necessary for licensing HDMI?
[22:08] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: I don't think so. I IS required for using Blu-Ray though
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[22:08] <TopherBrink> count restarted
[22:08] <mkopack> It's only required if you're shooting around CP content in high def
[22:08] <mkopack> otherwise, all those HDMI-->DVI adaptors wouldn't work
[22:09] <RITRedbeard> I'm stuck around the quandry of getting a display for my raspberry pi
[22:10] <TopherBrink> 8 minutes
[22:10] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: I just picked up a cheap (~$150) 1080 22" Westinghouse HDTV from Best Buy
[22:11] <TopherBrink> 7
[22:11] <mkopack> Sound built in, has VGA, HDMI, Composite+Component inputs
[22:11] <RITRedbeard> I'm trying to make mobile
[22:11] <mkopack> ah
[22:11] <RITRedbeard> so my choices are as follows
[22:12] <RITRedbeard> a) wait for that one company to come out with beaglebone/raspberry pi MIPI/HDMI to LVDS PCB
[22:12] <RITRedbeard> b) try to build my own display from off the shelf HDMI compatible device(s)
[22:12] <RITRedbeard> c) try to construct my own dvi driver/tmds
[22:12] <RITRedbeard> none are trivial since I'm not EE
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[22:14] <TopherBrink> 4 minutes
[22:14] <mkopack> 2 minutes:20 sec
[22:15] <Hydrazine> 1:30
[22:15] <NucWin> 2m4d9h
[22:15] <TopherBrink> 7 hours 43 minutes
[22:15] <TopherBrink> 1 min
[22:15] <RITRedbeard> and DIY displays require optics knowledge and are not trivial
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[22:16] <Hydrazine> countdown is gone
[22:16] <Hydrazine> ooooooooooo
[22:16] <mkopack> 10
[22:17] <mkopack> Doh
[22:17] <TopherBrink> flamey
[22:17] <mkopack> Well, they burned for a couple secs
[22:17] <Hydrazine> uhuh
[22:17] <mkopack> but it sounds like they had another abort
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Ah - test complete
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> I thought there was to be more flame!
[22:18] <Hydrazine> :(
[22:18] <Hydrazine> that was dissapointing
[22:18] <mkopack> Um, I thought they'd run them longer than 1 second!
[22:18] <mkopack> WTF?
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[22:18] <mkopack> Hmm??? well, maybe thats all they needed
[22:18] <mkopack> strange though
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> run up to max thrust - few hundred milliseconds of burn, and you're almost at steady state
[22:19] <mkopack> "SUCCESS - 2 second burn"
[22:19] <mkopack> Ok??? guess that's all they wanted
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[22:19] <mkopack> "Engineers will now review data as we continue to prepare for the upcoming mission."
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[22:20] <mkopack> Well, we have to wait a week for the big show :)
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[22:21] <Hydrazine> awww
[22:22] <koaschten> someones eating our pi! http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/127903-watch-out-raspberry-pi-intel-unveils-ultra-small-next-unit-of-computing-pc
[22:22] <dmsuse> :o
[22:23] <ReggieUK> if they do all that for $35 I'd buy it
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> If that's $35, I'll eat one.
[22:23] <dmsuse> that is bigger than the world
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> With brown sauce.
[22:24] <koaschten> well it wont be that cheap i fear
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[22:25] <koaschten> i can hold presumable any mobile i3/i5, 2 sodimm slots and 2 mini pcie headers
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[22:30] <gregrob> It would be neat to hack one of these as a display for a rpi: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842978-REG/RCA_RTV86073_RTV86073_Portable_7_Digital.html
[22:30] <gregrob> USD $52
[22:32] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: Yea, way to many surface mounted components on there
[22:34] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: The rPi is cheap because ~95% of the system is in a single chip
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> I know.
[22:35] <OneFix_Work> SpeedEvil: And the cheaper you can get that chip, the cheaper the rPi. Presumably, upgrades could also be done to the same line of chips, and as long as the same pins were used, the rPi could be upgraded that way...
[22:36] <TopherBrink> right well thats quake 1 running (sadly minus audio), time to build quake 2
[22:37] <OneFix_Work> BTW, is there an expected date that the rPi supply is going to meet demand?
[22:38] <a_c_r> TopherBrink: how much source tweaking did Q1 take?
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[22:38] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: Probably end of July from what Farnell is saying
[22:38] <mkopack> Aug at the latest
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[22:39] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: And then I would expect another shortage around September or October once someone has a must-have use for the board
[22:40] <mkopack> prboably...
[22:40] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Hopefully by then, production will be enough to make shortages last only a week or so.
[22:40] <mkopack> Actually I think B models will become constrained as they switch over to making A's for schools for the fall
[22:40] <TopherBrink> a_c_r: i was using tyrquake from the arch user repository. aside from the standard PKGBUILD edit to add 'arm', nothing else
[22:40] <mkopack> Production must be ramping up a LOT
[22:41] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Are a lot of schools using the A model or the B model? I would assume that a lot would be using the B model, since it adds network connectivity...
[22:41] <mkopack> Who knows??? They keep saying the A for school, because of the lower price...
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[22:42] <a_c_r> TopherBrink: cool. is it doing hardware 3d?
[22:42] <TopherBrink> no idea tbh
[22:43] <TopherBrink> just ran the PKGBUILD and whatever it spat out is what i got
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[22:45] <TopherBrink> i presume not hardware accelerated at the rate it runs
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[22:45] <TopherBrink> only smooth at small window sizes
[22:45] <a_c_r> that makes sense.
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[22:46] <TopherBrink> at old 320x240 it'll scale up to a reasonable size on a 1080p display but not huge
[22:46] <TopherBrink> has to run windowed too or its just a box in the corner of the screen
[22:47] <OneFix_Work> Any word on when the GPU accelerated codecs will be available?
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[22:48] <TopherBrink> arent x264 and mp4 on openelec hardware accelerated
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[22:48] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: for what? I'm prett sure they're in XBMC now
[22:48] <TopherBrink> yup
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[22:49] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: I thought the foundation was eventually going to be able to include hardware accelerated encoding
[22:49] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: Aren't the codecs that are available now decoders only?
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[22:50] <TopherBrink> encoding cost too much
[22:50] <TopherBrink> if the forum was accurate
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[22:51] <OneFix_Work> TopherBrink: I thought the foundation was talking about giving the option to allow a separate purchase of the licenses for GPU encoding
[22:51] <BenO> Dolby's AAC was taking the p***
[22:51] <BenO> They wanted a dollar for each cpu to be allowed to decode aac
[22:52] <TopherBrink> dont know, my memory is vague and fuzzy
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[22:53] <OneFix_Work> BenO: So, then the foundation could sell a code to enable AAC for $2 per license...
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[22:53] <BenO> OneFix_Work, I can't guess at what they will do, but that doesn't sound unreasonable
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[22:54] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: no idea on that. I haven't seen anything to that effect.
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[22:57] <OneFix_Work> Well, presumably, the foundation has access to the code and it shouldn't be too difficult to create a key from a serial number, MAC address, or something similar. Put a conf file in /etc and if the license code is correct, turn on AAC.
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[22:57] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: you just want to play AAC audio?
[22:58] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: No, encoding
[22:58] <a_c_r> oh
[22:59] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: From previous posts, there are apparently GPU accelerated encoder codecs available for the chip on the rPi as well
[22:59] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: aha. I did not know that. Could be interesting.
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[23:01] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: Well, presumably FFMPEG / AVCONV could support it in its code too
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[23:03] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: I know the Tegra 2 encodes H.264, MPEG4, H.263, and VP8 ... and that's a smartphone processor
[23:03] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: I cheated and bought an external USB h.264 encoder
[23:03] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: Yea, I have one of those too...bought mine for ~$5.00 :)
[23:04] <a_c_r> same here... if they ever ship the thing.
[23:04] <RITRedbeard__> when are the next batch of pis coming out?
[23:04] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: crusher 264?
[23:04] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: Yep...
[23:04] <a_c_r> RITRedbeard__: no idea
[23:04] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: how well does it work?
[23:04] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: They make 2 versions of that too...one with just the chip and another with an RCA input
[23:05] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: It's great if you only want to encode 480p, but anything higher is not real time
[23:05] <a_c_r> I got the encoder-only version. The capture would be nice
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[23:05] <mkopack> RITRedbeard__: the remaining 8000 from the initial batch ship out this week to customers. Farnell has another 12K or so going out in about 2 weeks
[23:05] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: I have some PTZ cameras that spit out NTSC. I want to feed those into a capture device and encode h.264
[23:05] <RITRedbeard__> christ
[23:06] <OneFix_Work> a_c_r: Are those FOSCAM cameras?
[23:06] <mrdragons> It's crazy how fast they were sold/preordered
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[23:06] <a_c_r> OneFix_Work: PictureTel PTZ-2N & APTZ-1
[23:06] <mkopack> After that, Farnell claims to be in non-stop production + ship mode
[23:07] <BenO> I have a horrible feeling that a good chunk of the 12k are those not wanting to get their hands dirty, so to speak
[23:07] <OneFix_Work> RITRedbeard__: I called AlliedElec about 2 weeks ago and a manager told me that my rPi was due to be shipped out today (April 30th)
[23:07] <RITRedbeard__> i should order soon so I'll have later
[23:07] <BenO> I've totally forgotten to check to see if Wesnoth runs on the pi!
[23:07] <RITRedbeard__> my battery is gonna die :(
[23:07] * BenO apologies for the tangent
[23:08] <OneFix_Work> RITRedbeard__: Yea, if you haven't ordered yet, you probably won't get yours until about July sometime.
[23:09] <RAThomas> BenO: no tangent. I feel the same way. Pretty sure I'd already have an I2C driver working by now if I just had Pi.
[23:09] <a_c_r> RAThomas: can you do it remotely? :-)
[23:10] <BenO> RAThomas, Excellent stuff! I hope you get yours soon!
[23:10] <RAThomas> That's no excuse for me not to work on the driver, just less incentive to do so quickly (there are people here with RPi's that are willing to test)
[23:11] <RAThomas> a_c_r: yes, I'm working on a driver and have at least two people who can test it to some degree or another.
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[23:12] <a_c_r> RAThomas: cool. I may also be able to lend hardware if you need to test.
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[23:21] <OneFix_Work> BenO: I expect someone to begin reselling them on Amazon or Ebay for a "slight" markup
[23:22] <OneFix_Work> BenO: I don't know why, but I predict that RS / Farnell might have supply issues for a while to come.
[23:22] <RAThomas> placed my order with Newark on March 5. Order status still shows mid-August ship date
[23:22] <mkopack> Welcome to the club
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[23:23] <mkopack> They're SUPPOSED to send out updated, correct estimated ship dates this week
[23:23] <RAThomas> yep. Was hoping that I'd get that "update" email today.
[23:23] <OneFix_Work> RAThomas: I placed mine on February 29th, and mine still says August 15th...that date is a date that was kicked our from their computers
[23:23] <mkopack> Yeah, so did I??? I'll give it till Wed before I get annoyed though
[23:24] <OneFix_Work> My order on Newark also still includes the $20 "Handling Fee" that I was told was in error.
[23:25] <mkopack> yeah, so does mine
[23:25] <mkopack> They better NOT charge that crap
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[23:25] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Especially since they have held onto it for so long.
[23:25] <mkopack> they haven't "held onto" anyting
[23:25] <mkopack> They haven't taken your money
[23:26] <plugwash> heh, I remember I once used a free shipping promo code from CPC and was charged shipping anyway and was then refunded it a day or so later
[23:26] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Well, they haven't taken the money, but they've taken the order
[23:26] <mkopack> all they did was run a credit_auth to check that the card info is valid
[23:26] <RAThomas> when I placed my order, the total included $7 shipping, currently the order status says the price is $38.07 (includes tax)
[23:27] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: You have to remember, to people on a budget, a "pending" purchase is just as good as a purchase made
[23:27] <mkopack> Maybe, but they can still cancel the order
[23:27] <mkopack> It's not like any money has been removed from their account
[23:28] <mkopack> It annoys me when people go and complain "They've had my money for 2 months and I still don't have my RPi"
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[23:28] <mkopack> "No, they did an AUTH CHECK on your card for the amount, but have NOT taken your money yet"
[23:28] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: True, but $20 for a "handling fee" is kind of ridiculous...
[23:28] <mkopack> Right, that shouldn't still get charged??? Once I get my estimated ship date, I'm going to contact customer service about that
[23:29] <mkopack> I just have held off because I have a 2nd order in and I don't want them looking too closely at my account and possibly canceling the 2nd on me
[23:30] <RAThomas> I wouldn't mind paying more to get a dev platform now. Guessing a lot of new RPi owners are gonna boot it, fiddle with it for a few minutes, then set it aside
[23:30] <danieldaniel> ok
[23:30] <danieldaniel> I got the voltage regulator
[23:30] <danieldaniel> Where do I put it?
[23:30] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: I understand that they haven't charged the money YET, but for banking purposes, it may as well be in their hands...presumably if a container of rPis came in today, they could charge and ship the boards right this very minute...
[23:30] <mkopack> Sure??? but then you should be budgeting accordingly
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[23:31] <mkopack> If you HAD gotten the pi right away you WOULD be out the money already
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[23:31] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: context?
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[23:31] <danieldaniel> RAThomas: i have a battery pack and switch
[23:31] <mkopack> If anything, you've now had nearly 2 months to get your finances in shape to better handle that $40 charge for the RPi
[23:31] <danieldaniel> the batteries do 6.455 volts
[23:31] <danieldaniel> I want them down to 5
[23:31] <danieldaniel> I got a voltage regulator
[23:31] <danieldaniel> Where do i put it
[23:31] <mkopack> daniel: First off, check the spec sheet on your voltage reg
[23:31] <lars_t_h> danieldaniel, name of voltage regulator: 7805?
[23:32] <danieldaniel> Yeah
[23:32] <mkopack> that will tell you a lot about it.
[23:32] <danieldaniel> 7805
[23:32] <RAThomas> which kind of voltage regulator? An LM7805 IC?
[23:32] <danieldaniel> its radioshack 7805
[23:32] <mkopack> And you need to check because usually you need like 7.5V input power to make 5V output on a 7805
[23:32] <RAThomas> er, I gotta check, but I think the 7805 may need some more headroom than 1.455 volts
[23:32] <mkopack> Anything below 7.5V and it won't put out anything
[23:32] <danieldaniel> great
[23:32] <lars_t_h> it is that 3 pin thing, needs an input voltage of 7 volts to work
[23:32] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: can you give us teh RatShack catalog number for the device?
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[23:33] <danieldaniel> 276-1770
[23:33] <OneFix_Work> mkopack: Yea...but I'ld also have the pi already :) The reason that Newark hasn't charged us yet is because if they take the money, it has to be in my hands within 30 days or the credit card company is mad.
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[23:33] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: It outputs 1.5-2.5V lower than the input voltage, or 5V, whichever is lower
[23:33] <mkopack> But, yeah, basically, you get 2 capacitors. You share the ground pin between the input and output( battery + pi), you attach the Vinput pin to the battery and the VOutput pin to the Pi
[23:33] <danieldaniel> Wow
[23:33] <danieldaniel> :(
[23:33] <danieldaniel> Should I try it?
[23:34] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: Yes, but once you get below 7.5 it won't put ANYTHING out
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Wrong
[23:34] <mkopack> At least that's my understanding
[23:34] <plugwash> mkopack, hmm, most regulators i've seen go into a dropout state
[23:34] <danieldaniel> ok
[23:34] <danieldaniel> let me use a multimeter
[23:34] <danieldaniel> And i'll see
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> At 4V say - you get ~2V out
[23:34] <plugwash> such that the output votlage follows some distance below the input
[23:34] <danieldaniel> But where do I put it?
[23:34] <mkopack> Yeah ,that's always the SAFE way to do it
[23:34] <lars_t_h> danieldaniel, needles to say that you should test with a voltmeter _before_ you connect it to the Pi, or the magic smoke will come out
[23:34] <mkopack> Right, which means Rpi won't work
[23:34] <danieldaniel> lol
[23:35] <danieldaniel> i know
[23:35] <plugwash> ground terminal to ground, input terminal to battery pack, output terminal to pi
[23:35] <mkopack> So, let me correct that??? It's not that you won't get ANYTING out, you just won't get enough out to DO anything with the Rpi
[23:35] <plugwash> and put some caps between input and ground and between output and ground
[23:35] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/LM7805.pdf
[23:36] <Tomtiger11> Im going to make an anti static wristband with an old standard pc power supply cable, and some tin foil :D
[23:36] <RAThomas> put the "common" or "ground" pin to the - terminal of the battery pack, Input pin to the + terminal of battery. Output and common/ground pins should be 5V (but most likely won't be)
[23:37] <RAThomas> because you need at least 7V into the regulator
[23:37] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: you would be much better off with a DC-DC converter
[23:38] <danieldaniel> i get around 5.9
[23:38] <Tomtiger11> Although the fact of pluging the wristband into the mains plug is a bit, risky :P
[23:38] <danieldaniel> oh
[23:38] <danieldaniel> i was doing it wrong
[23:39] <danieldaniel> i get like 1 volt
[23:39] <danieldaniel> >.>
[23:39] <RAThomas> Tomtiger11: better put about a 1M ohm resistor in series with that!
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[23:40] <danieldaniel> i give up
[23:40] <danieldaniel> :(
[23:40] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: hold on a bit...
[23:40] <danieldaniel> no
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[23:41] <RAThomas> danieldaniel: you should be able to find a buck-boost DC-DC converter
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[23:49] <RAThomas> Tomtiger11: if you don't put a 1M resistor in your wrist strap, go ahead and write up your Last Will and Testament wherein you give me your RPi upon your death ;)
[23:50] <Tomtiger11> Lol
[23:50] <RAThomas> gotta do that *before* you use the strap
[23:50] <D34TH> real men do it *during*
[23:50] <NucWin> greate UK isp's now have to block the pirate bay
[23:50] <NucWin> great*
[23:50] <Tomtiger11> Since when?
[23:51] <Tomtiger11> Il sign a DNR request first
[23:52] <NucWin> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176
[23:55] <Tomtiger11> Poor you, my isp isnt in that list! Torrent ftw!
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[23:56] <D34TH> lol noob wrote the article
[23:57] <D34TH> forgot to endquote
[23:57] <D34TH> "Its operators line their pockets by commercially exploiting music and other creative works without paying a penny to the people who created them.
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[23:58] <BenO> D34TH, Is that quote talking about the execs of Spotify or the Pirate Bay
[23:58] <BenO> ?
[23:58] <D34TH> <NucWin> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176
[23:59] <BenO> I was kidding ;)
[23:59] <BenO> Indie artists get next to nothing from Spotify

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