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IRC Log for 2012-05-03

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[0:00] <Matt> Cheery: you can append stuff to the end of an image, then you have to update the partition table at the beginning of the image
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[0:00] <mkopack> Yeahk I like their lemon pepper and the Parm Garlic
[0:00] <mkopack> ugh, I REALLY don't want to sit through lecture tonight??? UGH
[0:00] <mkopack> Hope it goes fast
[0:01] <hotwings> my night wont be much better.. going to primer one of my bathrooms tonight.. good news is that the remodel is almost done with it
[0:02] <mkopack> Oh yeah, I think I'd rather sit through lecture
[0:02] <Cheery> Matt: so I can do: a = 0x00 * 5MB, b = 1 MBR, mkfs.msdos a, b += a, update b MBR
[0:02] <Cheery> ?
[0:02] <mkopack> I *HATE* painting
[0:02] <hotwings> tell me about it :\
[0:02] <mkopack> I'd rather do construction, drywall, electrical, plumbing, roofing, whatever??? but I DETEST painting
[0:02] <hotwings> i hate painting the most of all of it
[0:03] <mkopack> Tile is a bit of a PITA as well
[0:03] <Hattara-pilvi> IT_Sean: Cheery wantso to do partitioning the hard way, instyead of using existing utilitys, he is goin to write one him/her self in python.
[0:04] <mkopack> Good lord WHY?
[0:04] <IT_Sean> that sounds like an incredible waste of time
[0:04] <hotwings> i just finished up a remodel of my master bathroom where i did a tiled in shower & jacuzzi bath. it actually wasnt that bad but im not anxious to do it again.
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[0:05] <mkopack> yeah, I keep toying with putting tile in my master bath and kitchen, but UGH
[0:05] <hotwings> he _wants_ to write a partitioner in python? did this idea come about while drunk or something?
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[0:06] <Cheery> hotwings: it just looks simpler than trying to use these fdisk etc. things.
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[0:06] <mchou> lol
[0:06] <Cheery> I wouldn't exactly say they are pretty
[0:06] <mchou> fdisk has gotten way better
[0:06] <Cheery> or easy to use
[0:06] <Matt> Cheery: so use gparted
[0:07] <Matt> although I dunno if that'll work on a loopback device
[0:07] <hotwings> one of my contractor friends just hipped me to this new kind of tile tape. apparently is bonds supposedly better than mortar but you get ONE chance to get it right. if you screw up you either live with it or are going to go through hell to get the tile off and try again...if you dont break/ruin it in the process
[0:07] <mkopack> Ugh, no thanks
[0:08] <_av500_> writing a partitioner is pretty simple
[0:08] <hotwings> i dont have the stones to try that stuff on a any kind of large scale
[0:08] <_av500_> after all you need only to write 4x16 bytes in the mbr
[0:08] <Matt> that's the nice thing about tile adhesive/thinset - you can move your tiles around
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[0:09] <hotwings> maybe ill see how it works on the back & side splash
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[0:09] <Matt> by a few fractions of an inch at least
[0:09] <Cheery> _av500_: yeah. that's what I thought. the meat is in the mkfs.
[0:09] <_av500_> you want to write that too?
[0:09] <_av500_> again, vfat i moderately simple
[0:09] <_av500_> is*
[0:09] <Cheery> _av500_: probably not
[0:10] <Cheery> _av500_: I'm not that mad. :)
[0:10] * _av500_ wrote a vfat formatter once
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[0:10] <_av500_> well, also a vfat read/write lib
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[0:10] <hotwings> matt - yeah and you can get tile off that was mortared without too much hassle too in case you need to do a repair or something
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[0:11] <Matt> aye
[0:11] <Cheery> _av500_: of course I'd love if it'd be just like compress/extract.
[0:11] <_av500_> ?
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[0:11] <mkopack> Ugh, the only thing worse than reading a technical paper is having to watch a presentation by a grad student who doesn't speak english natively on a technical paper??? Slide #2 and the english is already so horribly broken I can't follow WTF he's talking about
[0:11] <Cheery> that might make it worthwhile to make a toy, which writes an msdos filesystem into the image straight out, and inserts the files. :)
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[0:12] <Cheery> as well as extracts them
[0:12] <_av500_> use |
[0:12] <_av500_> the tile glue of unix
[0:12] <NucWin> nice openttd is sweet
[0:12] <Cheery> _av500_: for what?
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[0:13] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: to pipe stuff from app to app
[0:13] <_av500_> for adding simple tools to make a complex one
[0:13] <a_c_r_> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?660-Dos-6-22&s=057eb581e18773500d58285c0dc866eb
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[0:13] <Cheery> _av500_: oh yeah.
[0:13] <_av500_> "the unix way(tm)"
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[0:14] <Cheery> _av500_: you mean that because it's simple if I 'compress' things into filesystem images and then splatter them together with a partition table?
[0:14] <a_c_r_> :'(
[0:14] <Hydrazine> a_c_r_: lolwut
[0:15] <_av500_> Cheery: I dont get what you are trying to do
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[0:15] <_av500_> a file system image is a file system
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[0:15] <_av500_> you just copy it with dd
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[0:15] <_av500_> if you have a .tgz or so, then yes you need to write it to a file system
[0:15] <_av500_> mount the fs and extract it there
[0:16] <_av500_> that all using std tools
[0:16] <Cheery> hmm. yeah
[0:16] <Cheery> maybe I have better things to do anyway.
[0:16] <_av500_> yep
[0:17] * Hattara-pilvi wonders if Cheery is a relative of one guy in RPi forums who claimed it would be so easy to make RPi run x86 .exe files (not .net executables, pure windows ones)..... no matter how many facts on its impossibility you gave, he didn't want to belive
[0:17] <_av500_> use qemu
[0:17] <_av500_> dead simple
[0:17] <mkopack> Sure, you COULD run qemu
[0:17] <mkopack> but it'll be ungodly slow
[0:17] <mrdragons> But it would run. :P
[0:17] <mkopack> like IBM XT days slow
[0:17] <NucWin> pi
[0:17] <_av500_> well, 8mhz was fast back then
[0:17] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: are you certain he's wrong?
[0:17] <mkopack> yeah ,considering I was on a 1Mhz C64 :)
[0:17] <NucWin> new post on home page
[0:18] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: no. I don't think we are relatives.. as I hate x86 and windows.. and consider them tricky no matter which direction you approach them from.
[0:19] <NucWin> grrrr at adsl i just got about 50lines at once from my bouncer
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[0:20] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: I'd describe myself as more like.. NIH & DIY guy.
[0:20] <Cheery> + sort of perfectionist
[0:21] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Are you a negative or positive type of a perfectionist?
[0:21] <Cheery> that I don't know.
[0:22] <Cheery> I see something's wrong.. I get to fix it if I can.
[0:22] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Negative = "No use its not gonna be perfect, I'l be better off witout it at all" positive = "Its not perfect, I MUST get it to be perfect, I shall not give up untill it is."
[0:22] <Cheery> and it's very hard to stop such battles I've already started.
[0:23] <mrdragons> Is that first one actually considered perfectionist?
[0:23] <Cheery> I like the sfdisk.. but I'm unconformtable with loopback devices.
[0:23] <Cheery> but..
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[0:23] <Cheery> if someone runs it with raspberry pi.. the image must be built straight into the SD card.
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[0:24] <Cheery> well. probably for best results that must be done anyway
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[0:25] <Cheery> so it might be best for me to just make the simplest thing. create MBR and add small routine to inserting a partition to loopback device.
[0:25] <Cheery> for a while I were wondering whether I could somehow get a partition out of the file *inside* the loopback device.. but nobody seems to do that.
[0:26] <Cheery> everybody just peeks inside with fdisk -lu and types in the correct offset.
[0:26] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: mount image to loop back dd if=/dev/loopXpY of=/file
[0:28] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: there doesn't see to be such things as /dev/loopXpY once I've done the losetup
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[0:28] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Did you forget -P from losetup command?
[0:29] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: -P == skan for parittions and crearte a /dev/loop0pY for each partition
[0:29] <Cheery> my losetup doesn't list that option
[0:30] <Cheery> invalid option -P
[0:31] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: What version id your util-linux package?
[0:31] <Cheery> how do I find that out from apt-get?
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[0:32] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: You say you hate x86 and windows.... that higly indicates you use Linux on some more exotic hardware, yet you don't knoe hoe to use apt-get. And are even palling on writin a MBR generator O_O...I see something strange in there... not by any bad
[0:33] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: it's not like I use apt-get every day.
[0:33] * SpeedEvil wonders again about the recent x86 phones, and locking.
[0:33] <Cheery> and I hate x86 yet I use it. :)
[0:34] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: dpkg-query -p util-linux
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> The medfield ones. They're comparable with CPU power with ARM - but I'm wondering about 'proper' linux on them
[0:34] <Cheery> Version: 2.19.1-2ubuntu3
[0:34] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: this is what you asked for?
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[0:36] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Theres the reason, You use Ubunut (gets creeps from even writing that name) your version of util-linu is OOOOOLLLLLLDDDDDD. The -P option was added to version 2.21
[0:36] <sioux_> hi i from brazil and i want buy raspberry pi. somebody knows where i can?
[0:37] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: oh.
[0:37] <Hattara-pilvi> sioux_: Front page http://www.raspberrypi.org/ Element14 logo and RS logo click eather of them
[0:37] <mkopack> sioux_: Look up your local RS or Farnell Element 14 affiliate / branch
[0:37] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: so ubuntu fs me on face literally there..
[0:37] <plugwash> Hattara-pilvi, debian sid doesn't have 2.21 either
[0:37] <sioux_> thas ok
[0:37] <plugwash> so it sounds like this is a VERY new feature
[0:38] <Hattara-pilvi> Debian sid is OOOOLLLLDDDD too. Use ArchLinux BE happy!
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[0:38] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: so next thing is to compile my own util-linux then.
[0:38] <Cheery> or does it go this way?
[0:39] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Dunno how you Ubuntu guys doo it. It can't be ./configure && make it is Ubuntu after all, you like do everything differendly
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[0:41] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: so I could either ditch ubuntu or do that gadget I proposed to do..
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[0:42] <Cheery> oh. it's been done
[0:42] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Downlod the 2.21.1 tarball, extrack, cd, ./configure, make -jammount_of_yout_cpu_cores, and run it from that dir after make finnishes
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[0:42] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: there's also a workaround.
[0:42] <Cheery> I don't know which one is better.. :/
[0:43] <Cheery> first of the things aside desktop env that seems to be c in ubuntu.
[0:43] <Hattara-pilvi> plugwash: No cookies for you :P
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[0:46] <Hattara-pilvi> plugwash: Instead you'l get trout soup ^_^
[0:47] <Cheery> kpartx works for now
[0:48] <Cheery> I can use that for what I wanted to do.
[0:48] <Cheery> :)
[0:48] <Cheery> now I get some sleep
[0:49] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: why is it so hard to make a well-working distro that doesn't have something terribly outdated?
[0:50] <plugwash> Cheery, he just has an unreasonable definition of "terriblly outdated"
[0:50] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: It not.... Arch Linux does exist. Everything shining new, always the latest version, with delay of few days-weeks, depending bit on the application
[0:50] <Hattara-pilvi> plugwash: 4 months is more than terribly out dated
[0:50] <Cheery> unfortunately I don't believe you.. there must be something bad in it if it's not used by everyone.
[0:51] <Cheery> or then there must be something bad in people.. :/ who don't use arch linux
[0:51] <Cheery> bah
[0:51] <Cheery> getting sleep. :)
[0:51] <Cheery> I know that kpartx is bit of an idiocy. but can't help it
[0:52] <Cheery> odd thing nobody bothered about partitions until now.
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[0:58] <tzarc> weee Linux version 3.1.9-FX (root@bulletproof) (gcc version 4.7.0 (Debian 4.7.0-1.1+rpi) ) #3 Wed May 2 16:53:34 UTC 2012
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[0:58] <tzarc> one working kernel
[1:00] * plugwash notices from that gcc version number that you are running raspbian ;)
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[1:00] <tzarc> uh-huh :)
[1:01] <tzarc> was mucking around with debootstrap last night
[1:01] <tzarc> had to manually dpkg --configure libstdc++6-dev tho
[1:01] <tzarc> haven't really had a chance to look why
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[1:02] <tzarc> minimal root fs ends up about ~45MB compressed, not too bad
[1:02] <tzarc> minbase variant
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[1:05] <mpthompson> tzarc, I ran into the same problem with libstdc++6-dev when doing debootstrap from an Squeeze armel system. Works fine with debootstrap ona Wheezy armhf system though.
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[1:05] <tzarc> ahh cool
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[1:05] <tzarc> this was on an x86_64, so perhaps whenever it's off-arch it does it
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[1:06] <tzarc> armel has no probs though, if I get home early enough might look into it tonight so the masses don't strike the same problem
[1:06] <mpthompson> Hopefully the days of doing debootstrap are numbered in the low double digits with Raspbian.
[1:06] <tzarc> :)
[1:07] <tzarc> still handy having a chroot sitting on my main machine tho
[1:07] <mpthompson> Yep. What is your main machine?
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[1:07] <tzarc> x64 sid
[1:07] <tzarc> main linux machine at least, still windows on this sucker
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[1:08] <mpthompson> What do you run the image on? Do you have RPi hardware?
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[1:09] <tzarc> yep, running on an rpi
[1:09] <mpthompson> Cool. I'm glad some people have hardware.
[1:09] <tzarc> :)
[1:09] <tzarc> and hey, it works!
[1:09] <tzarc> raspbian lives!
[1:10] <mpthompson> Long live raspbian!
[1:11] <mpthompson> More stuff coming down the pipeline. Maybe in two more weeks we'll have 95% or better of the packages compiled. We'll see.
[1:11] <tzarc> I'm gonna see whether I can muck about getting a bootable USB instead of SD partition
[1:11] <tzarc> so many USB sticks floating around, but only two SD cards
[1:11] <tzarc> leave the kernel etc. on the fat32
[1:11] <tzarc> change root
[1:11] <tzarc> etc. etc.
[1:12] <mpthompson> Yep. Shouldn't be too hard. Just need to twiddle the kernel arguments.
[1:12] <mpthompson> I heard rumors that USB disk images are much faster on the RPi than the SD card. Something to do with clocks and such. Have you experienced that?
[1:13] <tzarc> dunno yet, haven't gotten that far :)
[1:13] <tzarc> just making sure the kernel has workable USB drivers built in
[1:13] <dmsuse> mpthompson: sd cards are stupidly slow.. the pi supports usb 2.. so it makes perfect sense that the usb will be faster :P
[1:13] <tzarc> and now I'm sooo late for work so I should really run off
[1:14] <tzarc> catch ya later folks
[1:14] <zgreg> the SD interface is very slow for some reason
[1:14] <mpthompson> Well, I believe the comparison I saw was the native SD port and a USB SD port dongle.
[1:14] <zgreg> it should be able to do ~20 MB/s, but it's getting nowhere near that
[1:14] <shirro> how stable are people finding raspbian on real hardware? Any show stoppers?
[1:14] <dmsuse> 20mb/s from an sd card?? i very much doubt that
[1:15] <zgreg> dmsuse: sequential reading that is not unusual, IIRC
[1:15] <mpthompson> Someone said the clock on the native SD port was at 12MHz and the USB SD port was driving the same clock signal at 50MHz or something.
[1:15] <dmsuse> zgreg: what file system are you using?
[1:15] <mpthompson> I believe I saw that in the forums.
[1:15] <zgreg> dmsuse: none, on the block level
[1:15] <shirro> mpthompson: yeah, I saw the same. someone measured the clock and it was slower than expected
[1:16] <mpthompson> Hopefully something easily addressed with a driver tweak.
[1:16] <dmsuse> i can't remember where i saw it but ext4 is considerably faster than ext3
[1:16] <zgreg> dmsuse: the raw speed is 25 MB/s, so 20 MB/s is definitely possible
[1:17] <mpthompson> However, I'm certain that the RPi users will be using the Broadcom SOC chip in ways the designers never thought it would be used. Bumps in the road are expected.
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[1:17] <hackery21> hi
[1:17] <shirro> mpthompson: never will a broadcom chip be so well documented
[1:17] <flaushy> shirro: sad but true
[1:17] <hackery21> Broadcom..
[1:18] <hackery21> Pi Pi Mathmetical Pi
[1:18] <shirro> I am very interested to find out the limits of this videocore iv. The hand wavy faster than an iphone 4 stuff isn't enough
[1:18] <hackery21> So who here has a RasPi
[1:18] <hackery21> So who here has a RasPi?
[1:19] * hackery21 does not
[1:19] <shirro> hackery21: everyone but mpthompson though he has more arm cpu power than the government
[1:19] <Da|Mummy> who is crashing newark.com ?
[1:19] <dmsuse> not me :P
[1:19] <hackery21> lol
[1:19] <zgreg> yeah and the "it has 24 GFLOPS of computing power!" number that is often quoted by dom/jamesh/etc is quite misleading
[1:20] <hackery21> So is the speed better than 4S
[1:20] <shirro> raymarching full hd fragment shaders aren't happening
[1:20] <zgreg> first, 24 GFLOPS isn't exactly impressive for a GPU
[1:20] <dmsuse> jamesh is paid to talk lies and hype it up
[1:20] <zgreg> second, opengl es is VERY restricted in what it can do
[1:20] <mpthompson> Shirro, I wish. I can't find any more build machines... I'm glad I ordered my five iMX53 QSB's when I did otherwise this project would have never got off the ground.
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[1:21] <zgreg> dmsuse: probably, at least in part :)
[1:21] <shirro> mpthompson: you probaby are on the worlds top 500 arm supercomputer list. Stop complaining :-)
[1:22] <mpthompson> Who in the forums are official RPi foundation members. I'm never sure. Is Dom one?
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[1:22] <zgreg> hackery21: to be honest, it doesn't matter at all
[1:22] <hackery21> eben :P
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[1:22] <mpthompson> Eben and Liz are the only two I know for sure.
[1:23] <mpthompson> Dom had access to beta hardware so I assumed he is part of the Foundation as well.
[1:23] <hackery21> Question!
[1:23] <hackery21> Who exactly IS liz?
[1:23] <dmsuse> who cares
[1:23] <shirro> Liz is the bosses wife and a food blogger
[1:24] <hackery21> ohhhh lol ohk
[1:24] <zgreg> liz is, in fact, an AI that runs on a raspberry pi cluster
[1:24] <hackery21> lol
[1:24] <NucWin> lol
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[1:25] <mpthompson> Yeah I know about the food blogging. We all get help where we can.
[1:25] <mpthompson> So Liz is married to Eben? I didn't know that.
[1:25] <NucWin> lol parse this channel for ai irc bot
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[1:26] <mpthompson> Of course, there is a LOT I don't know.
[1:26] <zgreg> but really, when I see that "but it has a powerful 24 gflops gpu" quote one more time...
[1:28] <shirro> Despite all the Liz bashing I think she does a good job. Not perfect, but you get that with a volunteer amateur thing. She knows a little about games and demoscene and things that gives her a bit more cred than people allow her.
[1:28] <dmsuse> a super powerful gpu that doesn't even have a 3d driver :P
[1:28] <flaushy> is she getting paid for her job?
[1:28] <zgreg> dmsuse: it does, I think you misunderstood something
[1:28] <shirro> dmsuse: that is complete crap. the 3d driver is opengl and it works
[1:28] <dmsuse> since when?
[1:28] <shirro> it is kind of slow, but it works
[1:28] <dmsuse> the last i heard there was no 3d and no sound
[1:28] <zgreg> opengl es works fine
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone's been playing quake on it
[1:28] <zgreg> not sure what you guys have been smoking
[1:28] <tntexplosivesltd> have you not been keeping up?
[1:28] <shirro> dmsuse: since day one. qt has been demoing it . quake has been demoing it.
[1:29] <tntexplosivesltd> how dmsusing
[1:29] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[1:29] <dmsuse> lol cool
[1:29] <zgreg> opengl (especially the ES variant) is not necessarily related to X
[1:29] <shirro> A lot of the stuff that "doesn't work" is legacy shite like X acceleration which isn't really the ideal way to go on a limited machine anyway.
[1:30] <zgreg> shirro: I think that goes too far, X is not legacy crap
[1:30] <shirro> In a couple of years I will have a working Wayland. I will damn it!
[1:30] <zgreg> and won't be for quite a while, despite all the bitching it has endure due to wayland, etc
[1:30] <zgreg> yes, in a couple of years. maybe.
[1:31] <zgreg> we don't know yet
[1:31] <zgreg> wayland might solve some of the problems X poses, but it's also creating many, many new problems
[1:31] <ReggieUK> Anyone listening to bbc 1Extra on the radio?
[1:31] <zgreg> wayland in its current state is too simple
[1:32] <shirro> there isn't a lot to Wayland. It is just a protocol. It might move a bit faster if they weren't all developing on machines with drm, kms, mesa and X. Like the Pi for instance
[1:32] <zgreg> yeah, but the protocol is pretty unfinished and barebones
[1:33] <zgreg> and the implementation(s) (I think there's only weston, isn't it) are even worse
[1:34] <shirro> I think there is work on compositors from all the usuals - qt, kde, gnome etc. The compositor does all the work (that the client doesn't do)
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[1:35] <shirro> You need to be able to pass a handle to an opengl surface between processes and I don't know how well the undocumented broadcom extension works for that
[1:36] <zgreg> wayland people are funny
[1:36] <zgreg> "weston only needs egl and opengl es"
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[1:36] <shirro> zgreg: and this extension, and this....
[1:36] <zgreg> never mind the fact that it has a hard dependency on a couple of proprietary mesa egl extensions
[1:37] <zgreg> yeah
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[1:37] <zgreg> by proprietary I mean that only mesa implements those, and they're hardly documented at all
[1:38] <shirro> I think a lot of egl implementations probably do have something similar. If you want to composite output from various processes it makes sense to provide this.
[1:42] <zgreg> yes, that's probably right
[1:42] <zgreg> android's SurfaceFlinger is actually really similar to wayland/weston :)
[1:43] <hackery21> How do I aaadd something here : elinux.org/RPi_Projects
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[1:43] <ReggieUK> join elinux.org, read the how tos on editing pages and get to it :D
[1:44] <hackery21> ok
[1:44] <hackery21> I have had an ccount
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[1:45] <hackery21> account
[1:45] <Tomtiger11> M
[1:45] <shirro> would to love to know the api for using things like eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM
[1:45] <zgreg> it's funny, those typical "gnu plus linux" people like to hate android so much, and now they're hyping something that was probably majorly motivated by android
[1:45] <hackery21> Yup..
[1:46] <hackery21> still do not get it
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[1:47] <shirro> zgreg: that is a bit of a generalisation I think. There are some "Linux" people hacking on open source stuff for Android and enjoying it.
[1:48] <hackery21> i need to add a project
[1:48] <zgreg> shirro: right, but there are a lot of these oddball people that want a "real linux" on their phone (whatever that means)
[1:49] <hackery21> not edit
[1:49] <zgreg> I think it's downright silly, regular linux desktop apps or commandline programs are simply not practical on a phone
[1:49] <NucWin> lol i want phone with "real linux" aka not java
[1:50] <shirro> zgreg: you can run a chroot on Android or get an N9 so they are well catered for
[1:50] <zgreg> I don't side any advantages from having the desktop linux stack on a phone at all
[1:50] <zgreg> in fact, there are mostly disadvantages
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[1:52] <RBlunderbuss> oh geez what did danieldaniel do?
[1:52] <IT_Sean> He killed a pi
[1:52] <RBlunderbuss> how?
[1:52] <IT_Sean> screwed up soldering directly to the board.
[1:53] <dmsuse> :o
[1:53] <shirro> unverified
[1:53] <shirro> but a good story
[1:53] <IT_Sean> He admitted it last night, in here.
[1:53] <dmsuse> pwnt
[1:53] <ReggieUK> well, not so much screwed up the soldering directly to the board
[1:53] <shirro> but threw it in a bin instead of taking a photo
[1:53] <ReggieUK> more screwed up holding the iron
[1:54] <IT_Sean> Yeah, he dropped the hot iron ONTO the board.
[1:54] <ReggieUK> so soldering it would seem he is mostly fine with
[1:54] <ReggieUK> just needs to remember to hold it tightly
[1:55] <ReggieUK> or lern2ductape
[1:55] <IT_Sean> yeah, it's the whole not dropping the iron onto the board he has trouble with
[1:55] <Ben64> May 01 2012 17:18:32 <danieldaniel> i sorta burnt my hand and dropped the iron
[1:55] * SpeedEvil wants broken Pis.
[1:55] <shirro> I find not dropping a soldering iron is usually good policy. especially where laps are involved
[1:55] <IT_Sean> or hard to get electronics
[1:55] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, sounds like a growing a pair issue possibly?
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[1:55] <dmsuse> im guessing he could probably still sell that on ebay for $100
[1:56] <RBlunderbuss> dang
[1:56] <ReggieUK> so many possibilities for fun even if it is borked
[1:56] <IT_Sean> if he hadn'tthrown it out, perhaps.
[1:56] <dmsuse> ^^ pwnt :P
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Also - protip:
[1:56] <ReggieUK> Hands up who would try and decap it?
[1:56] <shirro> In the old days burning your hand was just the way to check soldering iron temperature
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> shirro: When soldering, wear underpants
[1:56] <ReggieUK> \o
[1:56] <dmsuse> i'd bid on it on ebay to try and save it
[1:57] <Ben64> Apr 30 2012 18:06:15 <danieldaniel> I got solder not he board
[1:57] <ReggieUK> or who would try and reflow it onto a new board?
[1:57] <ReggieUK> \o
[1:57] <Ben64> i think that means "I got solder on the board"
[1:57] <shirro> SpeedEvil: yes, the alternative would be a burnt-tip
[1:59] <ReggieUK> probably a good idea to wear trousers when soldering as well as pants
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[2:00] <ReggieUK> hot solder on the thigh is still painful
[2:00] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[2:00] <hamitron> so don't drop solder on the thigh?
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> It's the macho alternative to waxing.
[2:00] <ReggieUK> ahahahaha
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[2:02] <hackery21> |-
[2:02] <hackery21> http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects#Community_Project_List
[2:02] <hackery21> I added the laptop one
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[2:04] <Ben64> http://1saleaday.com/wireless/?cj=true
[2:04] <Ben64> $50 + cables = rpi laptop
[2:04] <Ben64> err $60
[2:05] <hackery21> not quite
[2:05] <hackery21> custom tft
[2:05] <ReggieUK> hackery21, you've edited the list of projects but your actual page is empty
[2:05] <hackery21> tft controller with hdmi
[2:05] <hackery21> yup lol
[2:05] <hackery21> i will make it soon
[2:05] <Ben64> but what i posted exists already
[2:05] <hackery21> the page
[2:05] <Ben64> :D
[2:05] <hackery21> link
[2:05] <hackery21> ?
[2:05] <Ben64> click it
[2:05] <dmsuse> someone told me with shipping and tax the rpi in the uk costs $48
[2:06] <hackery21> lol
[2:06] <hackery21> i dont think that includes the laptop
[2:06] <Ben64> its a hdmi screen and a usb keyboard
[2:06] <hackery21> silicone keybord...
[2:07] <dmsuse> yeah the laptop would be a bargain at $50 :P
[2:07] <bikcmp> hm
[2:07] <RBlunderbuss> does anyone know of a list of software that has linux arm build available? If one doesn't exist we should totally make one
[2:07] <hackery21> touchpad
[2:07] <bikcmp> should i buy now
[2:07] <bikcmp> and get it in like
[2:07] <bikcmp> july
[2:07] <SpeedEvil> It's not a laptop
[2:07] <bikcmp> or should i buy in like, 3 months
[2:07] <SpeedEvil> It's a wierd thing you plug a phone in
[2:07] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: just look at the debian package list
[2:07] <bikcmp> should i buy?
[2:07] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: which hooks up to a device with hdmi, like a r-pi
[2:07] <RBlunderbuss> shirro does that specify arm over other architects? and how can I do that?
[2:08] <hackery21> sadly the Raspi is not a phone
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[2:08] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: The exact connector is unclear
[2:08] <shirro> bikcmp: do you like debugging and compiling stuff and filing bug reports?
[2:08] <Ben64> it doesn't need to be a phone
[2:08] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: its mini hdmi
[2:08] <hackery21> Mini hdmi?
[2:08] <hackery21> lolwut
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> Ben64: It seems unlikely that that's the whole dock connecotr - including power and ...
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> _everything_ has to go back to the phone
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> you're not doing that over HDMI
[2:09] <Ben64> has usb too...
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> especially as it doesn't do power
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> sure
[2:09] <bikcmp> shirro: well
[2:09] <bikcmp> shirro: not exactly
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> but there aren't going to be seventeen cables you plug in
[2:09] <Ben64> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On8e6kuqeF0
[2:09] <bikcmp> shirro: i know higher level languages but i suck at c
[2:09] <bikcmp> haha
[2:09] <Ben64> theres a dude running a ps3 on it
[2:09] <hackery21> Anyways ours is super skinny.
[2:09] <hackery21> Gotta remove ethernet
[2:09] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: why would it need 17
[2:09] <hackery21> and usb
[2:10] <Ben64> hdmi = video/audio, usb = usb
[2:10] <hackery21> or just make a cut in plastic for the ethernet and usb at the edges
[2:10] <hackery21> becaause those two things are thick
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[2:15] <ReggieUK> if you're making a 'laptop' surely you'd just desolder whatever ports were in teh way and make little breakout boards to place them where you want them?
[2:15] <hackery21> ps3 laptop
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[2:16] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: The debian package search website doesn't allow you to select ports I don't think. Just about everything works as far as I know. You can grab a Packages list from a repo and look through it eg ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz for armel binary packages in main, nonfree ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz and ofcourse there are the architectur
[2:16] <shirro> independent packages such as docs elsewhere. Or just use apt-cache searc to find what you want
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[2:16] <Ben64> but if you're going to sell a r-pi laptop, you should let people just pop in their own raspberry pi
[2:16] <hackery21> ReggieUK: well we could do that or put the raspberry pi in a different position
[2:17] <shirro> There is a lot more being ported specifically for arm like gamess ofcourse and it would be nice to have a list of links for them
[2:17] <hackery21> Ben64: True.. True.. I will see what the community wants
[2:18] <ReggieUK> tbh those docks look ideal for the pi
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[2:18] <ReggieUK> looks like it just needs a little breakout made for it
[2:18] <hackery21> Well It would look akward
[2:19] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, those prices look like it might be the whole dock
[2:19] <ReggieUK> why would it look awkward?
[2:19] <ReggieUK> no more awkward than an atrix :D
[2:19] <Ben64> would have to change mini hdmi to normal size, and micro usb to usb
[2:19] <hackery21> because you have pcb sticking out of the top of a laptop
[2:19] <ReggieUK> eh?
[2:20] <ReggieUK> it'd stick out of the back of the dock just like an atrix would
[2:20] <hackery21> yes
[2:20] <ReggieUK> tbh I'd prefer that
[2:20] <Ben64> not the same ports or spacing
[2:20] <hackery21> but that would look akward also
[2:20] <ReggieUK> because then my development board is right where I can get at it
[2:20] <Ben64> so you'd need to get extension cables too
[2:20] <Ben64> so the pi would likely sit somewhere behind it
[2:20] <hackery21> thats why many people do not but lapdocks
[2:20] <hackery21> buy
[2:20] <ReggieUK> like I said, sounds like it needs a little breakout
[2:21] <Ben64> if i had my pi in hand, i'd probably buy that lapdock
[2:21] <Ben64> but it'll be about 2 months till i get mine
[2:21] <ReggieUK> but you're building a laptop for a development board
[2:21] <hackery21> Yup
[2:21] <hackery21> A prototype
[2:21] <Ben64> i like how the lapdock comes with its own battery system too
[2:22] <ReggieUK> yeah, about that, generally development people like to get their hands on the innards, quickly
[2:22] <hackery21> i am thinking intel atom for a later prototype
[2:22] <ReggieUK> Ben64, I was thinking that too
[2:22] <ReggieUK> with the added bonus that you can plug a ps3 or an xbox360 or any other random hdmi device into it too
[2:22] <Ben64> you could use it to power the pi too
[2:22] <Ben64> but would have to do a bit of trickery
[2:23] <hackery21> thats why its a clear laptop and the plastic clicks on together
[2:23] <Ben64> pics?
[2:23] <hackery21> not yet
[2:24] <hackery21> Because its not quite done
[2:24] <hackery21> most everything is ready
[2:24] <shirro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfdKq33WgHw
[2:24] <hackery21> but the pi is in the post
[2:24] <hackery21> newark
[2:24] <hackery21> so slowwww
[2:24] <shirro> It sounds like the lapdock 500 might be dodgy for hdmi but the cheap one might be ok
[2:25] <hackery21> You can stay updated on the projects page http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects#Community_Project_List
[2:25] <hackery21> I will post links to my website and pictures there in 1-3 months
[2:25] <Ben64> shirro: sounds cool
[2:25] <hackery21> Website in a day or two will be ready
[2:26] <hackery21> it is down right now
[2:26] <Ben64> 1-3 months? :|
[2:26] <hackery21> I am just waiting for the pi now
[2:26] <hackery21> PI PI PI
[2:26] <shirro> Ben64: see video above. Laptop and wii on lapdock with actual cables instead of trying to break a ps3 connector
[2:27] <Ben64> shirro: yeah saw it
[2:27] <Ben64> i'm still gonna wait till i get the pi
[2:27] <Ben64> no sense buying a bunch of accessories now
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[2:27] <shirro> Ben64: I am going to wait until some other sucker tries it. Then try and get them before they sell out overnight
[2:28] <hackery21> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SD-card-to-SD-Card-Extension-Extender-Cable-SDHC-32gb-Compatible-GPS-TV-/170830155540?pt=AU_Digital_Memory_Card_Readers_Adaptors&hash=item27c6454f14
[2:28] <hackery21> seems useful
[2:29] <shirro> hackery21: that is a really good idea. the socket (does it even deserve the name) on the Pi is a bit ordinary looking
[2:29] <ReggieUK> for what?
[2:29] <Ben64> pi laptop i'd guess
[2:29] <hackery21> For extending the sd card slot in the laptop so it can be interchaanged without having to open the laptop
[2:29] <Ben64> have to extend some or all of the ports in order for it to not suck
[2:29] <shirro> and it can be in an awkward position. and the card sticks out.
[2:30] <ReggieUK> pffft
[2:30] <Ben64> you could have the pi at a corner of the laptop, and just extend the 2 other sides
[2:30] <IT_Sean> How often do you plan on changing the card?
[2:30] <ReggieUK> 8wires and an sdcard adapter for $40 AU?
[2:30] <hackery21> this seems better
[2:30] <IT_Sean> You could make your own one of those for less.
[2:31] <hackery21> http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-beta&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1024&bih=629&tbm=isch&tbnid=uePH84mFoS1XuM:&imgrefurl=http://www.aliexpress.com/store/207299/210446064-459038803/46cm-SD-card-extender-cable-for-GPS-SD-card-cable.html&docid=6kYHwViTKs2e2M&imgurl=http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/478/179/381/381179478_436.JPG&w=932&h=700&ei=UdGhT_XTM8yItwfJsfXvBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=88&vpy=177&dur=24
[2:31] <Ben64> $95
[2:31] <hackery21> Well You could want to interchange the os
[2:31] <ReggieUK> stop it you nutters
[2:31] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9237
[2:31] <shirro> Open your PiLaptop screen. Then lift up the keyboard. Feed cables through holes in the side of the 1inch thick laptop case. Plug into Pi. Take our sandwich out. Close the keyboard tray. Start working. Easy.
[2:31] <ReggieUK> and 8 wires dangnabbit
[2:32] <hackery21> 95 for a lot
[2:32] <hackery21> lot consits of 20
[2:32] <hackery21> division
[2:32] <ReggieUK> that's a better price then
[2:35] <hackery21> quick sketch made in paint(I was not home) http://i40.tinypic.com/mmtyc3.png
[2:35] <shirro> hackery21: needs a place to put a sandwich
[2:36] <Ben64> the micro usb is on the smaller side
[2:36] <Ben64> audio is on larger side
[2:37] * nordstingy (~unsignedb@f050064038.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit ()
[2:37] <hackery21> happy now https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTrQlyEBTCZPPZHLqtE3rfY7x_mpEG4XWuWYunn3ylVRybbdFBNA
[2:37] <shirro> hackery21: looks like the perfect Pi case
[2:37] <hackery21> Ben64: Let me repeat... it is a quick sketch
[2:38] * D34TH (D34TH@unaffiliated/d34th) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[2:39] <Ben64> best case would look like this....http://i.minus.com/ibp67jED7dcm5Y.jpg
[2:41] <hackery21> so
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> http://defensetech.org/2012/04/27/who-wants-to-buy-a-stealth-ship/ - best case
[2:42] <hackery21> what is the maximum you would pay for a macbook air sixed laptop with a RasPi
[2:42] <hackery21> ?
[2:42] <IT_Sean> $8.75
[2:42] <Ben64> $59.99
[2:42] <Ben64> cause thats the price of the moto lapdock
[2:43] <hackery21> for 3 more hours lol
[2:43] <hackery21> then its 400
[2:43] <hackery21> take a close look
[2:44] <hackery21> Macbook air thinness, RasPi Included
[2:44] * dwild (6017baaa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.23.186.170) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[2:45] <Ben64> its not going back to 400
[2:45] <hackery21> ya right
[2:45] <hackery21> y not
[2:45] <hackery21> ?
[2:45] <Ben64> thats like thinking the ps3 will go back up to $600
[2:45] <Ben64> just because it started at that price doesn't mean it will go back to it
[2:46] <hackery21> This deal ends in: 03:16:04
[2:46] <hackery21> ...
[2:46] <Ben64> http://www.all4cellular.com/product/motorola-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-hdmi-upgrade-kit.html?siteID=PvTvb1zzm2o-erJwB3EXZQOro6FyGH3qlA
[2:46] <Ben64> here it is for $70
[2:46] <Ben64> comes with cables
[2:47] <Ben64> http://www.all4cellular.com/product/motorola-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-refurbished.html?siteID=PvTvb1zzm2o-P20FOQl5dyUs0feWvwA30g
[2:47] <Ben64> $60 again
[2:48] <Ben64> and theres tons on ebay for ~$70
[2:48] <hackery21> 300
[2:48] <hackery21> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=productsearch&cd=5&docid=16124634921721729990&ved=0CHIQgwgwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sears.com%2Fshc%2Fs%2Fp_10153_12605_SPM6131430807P%3Fsid%3DIDx20101019x00001a%26ci_src%3D14110944%26ci_sku%3DSPM6131430807&ei=b9WhT_ybHZCm8gSw29XYCA&usg=AFQjCNHMmU0evwsjpOszZi19qwYBuHdawg&sig2=j7EeCWqC0Fl6dmNGzhgGtQ
[2:48] <IT_Sean> Irritatingly, the battery in my watch has died. :/
[2:48] * LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[2:49] <Ben64> sears is a b&m store, which always has crappy prices
[2:50] <hackery21> Whatever
[2:50] <Ben64> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM6250814909P?prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3
[2:50] <hackery21> toradex
[2:50] <Ben64> look sears has a 2TB hard drive for $188
[2:51] <hackery21> intel i7 motherboard
[2:51] <hackery21> now how much would you pay for it?
[2:51] <Ben64> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136891
[2:51] <Ben64> newegg has it for $130
[2:52] <Ben64> i7 motherboards are expensive
[2:53] <hackery21> yup
[2:54] <hackery21> but i can get i7 on it for $200
[2:54] <hackery21> so you buy my laptop for...
[2:54] <IT_Sean> 5.99!!! Rat shack wants $6 for this tiiiiny little battery!?
[2:54] <IT_Sean> jeeeez
[2:54] <Ben64> IT_Sean: get a self winding watch
[2:55] <IT_Sean> HAHAH!
[2:55] <IT_Sean> Amazon has a pack of 5 for 0.99
[2:55] <Ben64> hackery21: your laptop isn't a core i7
[2:55] <Ben64> its just a screen and a keyboard
[2:55] <hackery21> But I can put it on
[2:56] <hackery21> so how much extra will you pay
[2:56] <Ben64> i don't want an i7 laptop?
[2:56] <hackery21> y?
[2:56] <hackery21> i3?
[2:56] <Ben64> i want a pi laptop
[2:56] * IT_Sean has a quad core i5 in his laptop
[2:57] <hackery21> for 99 pi included
[2:57] <hackery21> no intel
[2:57] <Ben64> not bad
[2:58] * hackery21 i7
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[3:00] <hackery21> awww
[3:00] <hackery21> My site will be down for 24 hours
[3:00] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
[3:01] <hackery21> my *new* site. For my *new* company
[3:01] * Gallomimia (~Gallo@S01060026f320acf8.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Gallomimia)
[3:02] <hackery21> hi?
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[3:08] <hackery21> llaalllaaalalalalalalalalalalaalalal
[3:08] <hackery21> is anyone here
[3:08] <hackery21> ima boreda
[3:08] <hackery21> mea mario
[3:08] <IT_Sean> I'm here
[3:08] * curahack (~curahack@sub-190-88-78ip130.rev.onenet.an) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:08] <hackery21> hi
[3:09] <curahack> Where did PiBot go?
[3:09] <curahack> hi back :)
[3:09] <hackery21> whowhat'
[3:10] <curahack> there was a bot in here, it was suppose to give me +v rights
[3:10] <curahack> anyway ;)
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[3:11] <Ben64> May 01 2012 16:00:53 * PiBot has quit (Excess Flood)
[3:11] <Ben64> May 01 2012 16:02:00 * RaspberryPiBot (~PircBot@unaffiliated/datagutt/bot/databot) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:11] * Ben64 points to RaspberryPiBot
[3:12] <curahack> ring ring RaspberryPiBot
[3:12] <curahack> !work
[3:12] <Ben64> its not op'd
[3:12] <hackery21> +v curahack
[3:12] <hackery21> yay
[3:12] <hackery21> yaay
[3:12] <hackery21> yaaaay
[3:12] <hackery21> make me op
[3:12] <hackery21> DO IT NOW
[3:13] <hackery21> NOW!
[3:13] * NucWin sets mode +o hackery21
[3:13] <hackery21> what
[3:13] <hackery21> awesome
[3:13] <hackery21> thanks!
[3:13] <curahack> fail
[3:13] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[3:13] * uen (~uen@p5DCB20C7.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[3:13] <Ben64> oh... RaspberryPiBot is not the same as pibot
[3:13] <IT_Sean> ahem
[3:13] <curahack> loool
[3:13] <curahack> the big man is here
[3:14] * NucWin sets mode -o+v IT_Sean
[3:14] <hackery21> so I am op?
[3:14] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[3:14] * warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)
[3:14] <hackery21> ya?
[3:15] <NucWin> half op for full op you need to press alt+f4
[3:15] <hackery21> nope
[3:15] <hackery21> lol
[3:16] <hackery21> so whats your internet speed
[3:16] <NucWin> 20/2 atm
[3:17] <hackery21> i got 35 down
[3:17] <hackery21> and about 5 up
[3:17] <curahack> 16/1
[3:17] <Ben64> 200/200
[3:17] <NucWin> 60/6 in a few months
[3:18] <hackery21> https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMKzxH0ebVBxtbVC47ZgNWFs-35Sw5up21eGKmNkTOApBHd0fTqQ
[3:18] <hackery21> Please give me full op?
[3:18] <Ben64> /join #2,000
[3:18] <hackery21> whats that about
[3:18] <Ben64> for op
[3:18] <hackery21> 60 down is good
[3:18] <hackery21> my school gets 100/10
[3:19] <Ben64> slow
[3:19] <NucWin> could get 100/10 but little too expensive
[3:19] <hackery21> yea
[3:19] <curahack> lol
[3:19] <NucWin> only ??20 more a month but still a little too much everymonth
[3:19] <curahack> our school had 2Mbit/s 2 years agp
[3:19] <curahack> &*ago
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[3:20] <Ben64> i only pay about ?20 a month for 200/200 : /
[3:20] <curahack> well my high school back then
[3:20] <NucWin> when i went to school we had dialup on a couple of computers
[3:20] <hackery21> Ben64: you wish
[3:20] <Ben64> i don't have to wish, i have it
[3:20] <hackery21> no
[3:20] <Ben64> yes
[3:20] <hackery21> give me a speedtest.net link
[3:21] <Ben64> its hard to be accurate that fast
[3:21] <hackery21> still,show me
[3:21] <hackery21> and i want op
[3:21] <hackery21> +op me
[3:21] <NucWin> speed test would be over before it got up to speed
[3:21] * stephenl (~stephenl@c-67-166-113-196.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[3:22] * mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)
[3:22] <hackery21> speedtest.comcast.net
[3:22] <hackery21> go
[3:22] <hackery21> 200/200 is not even possible in us
[3:22] <IT_Sean> hackery21, stop asking for ops.
[3:22] <hackery21> ...
[3:23] <hackery21> how come sean gets ops
[3:23] <hackery21> ?
[3:23] <hackery21> :/
[3:23] <IT_Sean> because IT_Sean is a channel staffer
[3:23] <NucWin> he press start button right button then enter
[3:23] <NucWin> pressed*
[3:23] <NucWin> ultra op mode
[3:23] <mrdragons> hackery21: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/CoD_Black_Ops_cover.png
[3:23] <hackery21> lol that opens email
[3:24] <Ben64> : /
[3:24] * kwerk_ (~livion@2600:1008:b006:57c2:0:1c:68a:c101) Quit (Quit: Quitted.)
[3:24] <Ben64> need flash for speedtest.net
[3:24] <hackery21> comcast.speedtest.net
[3:24] <hackery21> you have flash
[3:24] <hackery21> or java
[3:25] <IT_Sean> speedtest result for me: 20 up, 21 down.
[3:25] <hackery21> you need java for this
[3:25] * IT_Sean is on wifi, though
[3:25] <hackery21> use a java speedtest
[3:25] <SpeedEvil> wget
[3:25] <NucWin> wifi sucks
[3:25] <IT_Sean> no, it doesn't.
[3:25] <hackery21> how does wifi suck?>
[3:25] * shirro hates living in a country with rubbish Internet
[3:25] <IT_Sean> Wifi = can surf the tubes from the sofa
[3:26] <hackery21> Wifi = cool
[3:26] <hackery21> lol
[3:26] <NucWin> cable to sofa = can surf the tubes from the sofa
[3:26] <hackery21> why use a cable?
[3:26] <IT_Sean> router is across the house from sofa.
[3:26] <NucWin> more reliable and faster
[3:26] <NucWin> thats why you have caverty walla
[3:27] <Ben64> there, installed flash
[3:27] <NucWin> unlucky
[3:27] <NucWin> fully animated adverts for your enjoyment
[3:27] <shirro> Fibre rollout is due to start here in 3 years. 3 bloody years! But Murdoch and some rich people will have that stopped before it happens
[3:27] <Ben64> only got 94.16/81.60 on speedtest.net
[3:27] <hackery21> shirro: what country
[3:28] <shirro> Australia.
[3:28] <Ben64> grade A+
[3:28] <hackery21> ben64, linjk
[3:28] <hackery21> link'
[3:28] <hackery21> linlk
[3:28] <hackery21> link?*
[3:28] <shirro> I am going to be in a nursing home by the time I get off ADSL
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[3:29] <hackery21> move to us
[3:29] <shirro> No thanks. Would rather live in a free society
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[3:29] <hackery21> move to canada
[3:29] <shirro> cold, but better
[3:29] <Guest58254> NucWin
[3:30] <hackery21> move to england
[3:30] <Guest58254> england sucks
[3:30] <shirro> TPB banned. Cameras everywhere. Grim.
[3:30] <Guest58254> chavs everywhere
[3:30] <Guest58254> this is coming from an englishman
[3:31] <NucWin> lol my isp was first to ban
[3:31] <shirro> We have bogans. Same as chavs basically.
[3:31] <NucWin> http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk <--- works great... not
[3:31] <Guest58254> NucWin: Laptop + Cable x Pet = Broken Laptop
[3:31] <hackery21> i got comcast for my ISP
[3:32] <Guest58254> NucWin: The ban hasn't been applied yet.
[3:32] <NucWin> has on virginmedia
[3:32] <Guest58254> Still a week for the rest.
[3:33] <NucWin> http://my.virginmedia.com/site-blocked.html <--- forwards to there
[3:33] <hackery21> brb
[3:33] <NucWin> pirate party link works though so bookmark it ;(
[3:33] <NucWin> ;)
[3:33] <shirro> All we need to do is bury Murdoch and his press and a few fat mining magnates and I could still have 100M fibre in 3 years time when the rest of the world is going to 1G. Instead the copper will degrade more and I will end up on congested 3G.
[3:33] <Guest58254> Besides it's not virginmedia actively banning it, they have been forced to by the court.. so it's not like they are going to go out of their way to ban every possible way to get on their.. they will just do what the court says, ban the IP / dns block
[3:34] <Guest58254> NucWin: Does it still block if you change your dns to 8.8.8.8?
[3:35] <NucWin> i have my own dns server and manually added an A entry to test
[3:35] <Guest58254> Why would you use your own dns server?
[3:35] <NucWin> set my own tpb.blah up
[3:35] <NucWin> with ip pointing no proxying
[3:36] <NucWin> for full control of my freedns account
[3:36] <Guest58254> Wait, you set up a dns specifically for this?
[3:36] <Guest58254> Why not just change your host file?
[3:36] <Guest58254> Oh, so you're using freedns's servers and not your "own dns server"?
[3:36] <NucWin> though of that but if it worked i would have shared the dns entry with my friends
[3:37] <Dagger2> Virgin Media's blocking is on the IP (194.71.107.50 and 194.71.107.15, possibly others), so any amount of using another domain name to resolve to those IPs isn't going to help
[3:37] <NucWin> thought*
[3:37] <hackery21> back
[3:37] <Guest58254> Dagger2: I believe the foundation behind the tpb has already set up a proxy server specifically for tpb
[3:38] <Dagger2> they also block any other sites hosted on those servers, and https:// connects but then hangs
[3:38] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Only something major would make the australian people not vote the noalition
[3:38] <Guest58254> Years ago at school the blocking systems were so lazy, they would block the http but not the https
[3:39] <Dagger2> I can also confirm that they're using their child porn blocking system to block it, in case anybody was under the delusion that "thin end of the wedge" doesn't apply to internet censorship
[3:39] <Guest58254> Crenn-NAS: Like small boobs?
[3:39] <hackery21> -v Guest58254
[3:40] <Guest58254> Err
[3:40] <hackery21> OUT
[3:40] <Guest58254> Does virginmedia still have that 1 week usenet binary retention?
[3:40] <shirro> Dagger2: yeah, we all knew the filters were not really for kiddie porn. you close that stuff down at the source with police raids. you don't leave the sites up. it was always about hollywood enforcement and political speech
[3:40] <Guest58254> That used to be super useful for downloading tv shows as soon as they came out
[3:41] <NucWin> not sure the few times ive tried it in the past even back when it was blueyoneder seemed to be heavly filtered or something
[3:41] <Guest58254> it was never blueyonder, it was ntl.
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[3:41] <NucWin> both
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[3:41] <NucWin> cableinet -> blueyoner / ntl -> virginmeida
[3:42] <Guest58254> oh blueyonder was telewest?
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[3:42] <NucWin> yes
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[3:42] <NucWin> my email is @blueyonder but i have been with them since cableinet
[3:43] <NucWin> started with unlimited dialup that use to be connected on its own line 24/7
[3:43] <NucWin> then moved to 256Kbps cable
[3:43] <NucWin> and they just keep upgrading it
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[3:44] <Guest58254> Yeah ntl were great for all the free upgrades
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[3:44] <Dagger2> observation: Thunderbird does not make a great binary usenet reader
[3:44] <Guest58254> Dagger2: Thunderbird does not make a good anything
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[3:45] <SpeedEvil> In the same way that butter is not an ideal structural material in desert climates.
[3:45] <Dagger2> well, other than a good email client
[3:45] <shirro> sabnzbd+
[3:45] <Guest58254> second sabnzb+
[3:45] <Dagger2> though they moved the tabs above the toolbar/menubar in recent versions :/
[3:45] <Guest58254> nzbs are exellect
[3:46] <Guest58254> sickbeard is supposed to be good
[3:47] <shirro> Guest90234: shhh, let the chase the torrent sites
[3:47] <Guest58254> I've never bothered to try it myself, but a friend never stops going on about it.
[3:47] <Guest58254> Guest58254: Meh, torrent sites are better for gauging quality at a glance.
[3:48] <Guest58254> I mean shirro, not myself
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[3:48] <Guest58254> Guest58254: Guest58254: Guest58254: Guest58254: Guest58254: You are amazing.
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[3:51] <NucWin> no op lets riot
[3:53] <Guest58254> ukscone is still here
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[3:54] <NucWin> partypooper
[3:54] <Guest58254> I'll join if you start
[3:55] <NucWin> nah im to tired for ban evasion lol
[3:55] <Guest58254> NucWin: ukscone is almost never watching
[3:56] <Guest58254> although all these mentions of his name will surely flash his client
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[7:35] <Cheery> hm..
[7:36] <Cheery> seems like my connect got faster due to SASL
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[9:56] <RaTTuS> !w damn you irc
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[10:07] <fALSO> bom dia***
[10:08] <drazyl> bom dia
[10:08] <fALSO> hi drazyl
[10:08] <fALSO> :)
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[10:18] * Miek is now known as Guest64854
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[10:20] <Mowee> Morning
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[10:55] <gordon_drogon> Right. Is this thing on?
[10:56] <xranby> gordon_drogon: yes its on
[10:56] <gordon_drogon> good. first time using xchat - thought I'd try it here.
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[10:58] <Davespice> Hexxeh: are you about? I have some information that you might want
[10:58] <gordon_drogon> was sort of hoping to see Hexxeh to ask about the Raspbian thing...
[10:59] <gordon_drogon> or anyone else involved with it :)
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[11:01] <xranby> gordon_drogon: have you seen http://elinux.org/Raspbian ?
[11:02] <gordon_drogon> Yes. I downloaded the zip file last night and gave it a go this morning.
[11:02] <gordon_drogon> it worked.
[11:02] <gordon_drogon> well - I was able to login, but not do a lot else.
[11:02] <gordon_drogon> I guess it's just time now to wait for more packages to be compiled and added to the list.
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[11:03] <gordon_drogon> I wanted to see how faster my BASIC interpreter would go under it, but it looks like I have to wait a little longer...
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[11:04] <xranby> gordon_drogon: what happens if you compile your interpreter?
[11:04] <gordon_drogon> I don't know - it doesn't seem to have ftp/scp/rsync/gcc ...
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[11:05] <xranby> gordon_drogon: thats odd.. gcc are found in the archive http://debian.raspbian.com/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.7/
[11:06] <gordon_drogon> I was somewhat surprised that gcc wasn't there though, but maybe I've missed something.
[11:06] <gordon_drogon> hang on, I'll boot it up again and check.
[11:06] <xranby> gordon_drogon: check that your /etc/apt/sources.list contains that archive
[11:06] <gordon_drogon> It only had one line in it...
[11:07] <gordon_drogon> booting it now. the skpang proto case/board makes it rather fiddly to swap SD cards..
[11:08] <gordon_drogon> root
[11:09] <gordon_drogon> ok, it's got /debian wheezy main
[11:09] <gordon_drogon> in it.
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[11:12] <gordon_drogon> ok.so no gcc metapackage, but it does say that gcc-4.7-base is installed, but no gcc or cc command.
[11:14] <xranby> gordon_drogon: check if you have a gcc-4.7 command
[11:15] <Davespice> guys, can anyone explain to me in a nice way (meaning not patronising) why a hard-float variant of Debian is desirable? as opposed to not? I am guessing its something to do with how arithmetic calculations are done in binary
[11:15] <gordon_drogon> it's faster.
[11:15] <gordon_drogon> or should be.
[11:15] <zgreg_> Davespice: some possible speedup
[11:15] <Davespice> ahh I see, okay
[11:15] <zgreg_> but it's hyped a bit too much
[11:16] <zgreg_> hardfp is NOT a magic bullet
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[11:16] <Davespice> and what actually is it... am I thinking olong the right lines with binary arithmetic?
[11:16] <gordon_drogon> there is no gcc-anything. I did a find / -name gcc\* and it found a set of directories under /usr/lib but they were empty.
[11:16] <zgreg_> Davespice: it's about the calling convention, i.e. how C functions pass parameters
[11:16] <xranby> gordon_drogon: i will setup a system here using and test for myself http://distribution.hexxeh.net/raspbian/raspbian-r2.zip
[11:16] <zgreg_> Davespice: specifically, floating-point parameters
[11:16] <gordon_drogon> that's what I downloaded.
[11:17] <Davespice> zgreg_: so does source code need to be modified to work on it?
[11:17] <gordon_drogon> it shouldn't need to.
[11:17] <zgreg_> Davespice: "softfp" is the standard ABI and that is compatible to CPUs without an FPU. it passes floating-point parameters in integer registers, which can be slow
[11:17] <xranby> Davespice: most sourcecode only require a recompile
[11:17] <zgreg_> Davespice: "hardfp" actually uses the FPU registers, and therefore can be faster
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[11:17] <Davespice> oh I see... so hard float means hardware floating point... got it
[11:18] <xranby> Davespice: a lot of the hard work to fix the code have alredy been done during last years armhf bringup
[11:18] <zgreg_> Davespice: no
[11:18] <Davespice> like the old 486 DX and SX models?
[11:18] <zgreg_> Davespice: it's only about how to pass floating-point numbers to functions
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[11:18] <Davespice> okay right
[11:18] <zgreg_> you can still have hardware-accelerated FP calculations with softfp
[11:19] <Davespice> right...
[11:19] <Davespice> okay thank you for explaining
[11:19] <zgreg_> it's not that hard to work around the softfp restrictions
[11:19] <gordon_drogon> Hm. Can you? I was under the impression it was both...
[11:20] <zgreg_> a) inline a lot b) pass pointers instead of values
[11:20] <gordon_drogon> So do I need some extra flags in the current release to use hardware FP, or is it used by default?
[11:20] <zgreg_> gordon_drogon: yes
[11:20] <Davespice> I've been facing a wierd miss-compilation issue with the OpenTTD source code on the Pi
[11:20] <zgreg_> gordon_drogon: you need to pass the right flag to gcc to make it use the FPU
[11:21] <gordon_drogon> ok. intersting. let me give that a go then...
[11:21] <gordon_drogon> (rebooting my pi - wish I could sleect 2 SD cards!)
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[11:23] <zgreg_> but, really, for most applications FP performance doesn't matter that much
[11:24] <gordon_drogon> unless you use floating point all the time :)
[11:25] <zgreg_> yeah, but apart from number-crunching that doesn't really happen often
[11:25] <xranby> please run some benchmarks and report the results
[11:25] <gordon_drogon> trying it now. give me a few moments...
[11:25] <shirro> I imagine the main benefits for raspbian will be the tuning for the 1176, the more recent wheezy packages and that it potentially can host customisations for the Pi down the track. The optimal floating point ABI is nice for some things but it probably gets too much attention (it actually does make a massive differences in some cases like povray - but not every day use)
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[11:25] <xranby> i find it interesting to actually test a distribution tuned for the cpu on the raspi
[11:26] <gordon_drogon> Is: "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" the right runes to pass gcc to make it use hardware FP then?
[11:26] <zgreg_> shirro: it might be interesting to put that SIMD unit to some use. the ARMv6 SIM unit is very simplistic, but it should be beneficial for quite a few things
[11:27] <xranby> we need to find someone at broadcom who can recompile the broadcom gpu drivers for armhf
[11:28] <zgreg_> xranby: already happened
[11:28] <xranby> zgreg_: .. oh ok thats nice
[11:28] <xranby> zgreg_: is the recompiled driver part of the raspbian image?
[11:29] <zgreg_> it's in the github firmware repository
[11:29] <shirro> I wish all arm boards had armhf bsps available. one of the things these guys are doing right
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[11:32] <gordon_drogon> ok. stanbdard compile, running a 15-colour mandelbror takes 35 seconds... re-compiling for -mfpu=vfp now.
[11:33] <Davespice> interesting test
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[11:35] <gordon_drogon> right and it's faster!!!
[11:35] <gordon_drogon> by 4 seconds )-:
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[11:36] <Davespice> for a moment then I thought you said it took 4 seconds :)
[11:36] <gordon_drogon> I wish!
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[11:37] <xranby> gordon_drogon: can you try the same code using the rasbian image?
[11:37] <gordon_drogon> Hm. let me do more tests - I'm doing a lot of screen updates which are very slow on the Pi (no 2d accelleration )-:
[11:37] <Davespice> so what is that, about 12% better?
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[11:38] <shirro> If you are on debian squeeze it is compiling for an arm4t or something by default. How about recompiling with something like -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s - any difference then?
[11:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> +1million
[11:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> Your Farnell Order Has Been Shipped. Your Reference: 29/02/2012 08:19, Our Reference: 16455216
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[11:38] <shirro> RaTTuS|BIG: congrats. welcome to the club
[11:38] <mervaka_> oo, SIMD?
[11:38] * RaTTuS|BIG does the happy dance
[11:39] <mervaka_> that just made my day :)
[11:39] <mervaka_> i'm taking a guess now that there's MAC or similar?
[11:39] <gordon_drogon> well it's a bit faster, but not by much.
[11:39] <mervaka_> and pleeeease let there be a circular buffer or two :)
[11:39] <gordon_drogon> I'll give that a go.
[11:39] <shirro> mervaka_: probably have to hand optimise asm or use intrinsics or something. not sure if gcc is going to magically use it in c
[11:40] <mervaka_> i was planning to run deep embedded, or at most RTOS
[11:40] <mervaka_> for particular applications
[11:40] <gordon_drogon> it takes a minute or 2 to compile... (I have a slow SD card)
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[11:41] <shirro> put your files on a usb drive
[11:41] <gordon_drogon> I ought to just use NFS.
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[11:43] <mervaka_> i take it most people are interested in much higher level stuff than me?
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[11:44] <mervaka> i'm very interested in playing with the SPI and GPIO functions..
[11:44] <mervaka> processing audio
[11:44] <gordon_drogon> ok, using -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s gives the same speed as -mfpu=vfp
[11:45] <gordon_drogon> I do lots of GPIO poking.
[11:45] <mervaka> the GPIO would most likely be used to multiplex SPI though :p
[11:45] <mervaka> how are you finding it?
[11:46] <gordon_drogon> it's sitting on my desk :)
[11:46] <mervaka> the GPIO poking :)
[11:46] <gordon_drogon> xranby: I don't think the rasbian image will run code compiled under the squeeze thing, will it?
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[11:46] <gordon_drogon> I wrote my own arduino style "wiring" library for it - makes life easy.
[11:47] <xranby> gordon_drogon: you will have to recompile on the raspdebian system
[11:47] <gordon_drogon> ok, but with no compiler :)
[11:47] <mervaka> never tried arduino :/ always dismissed it in favour of PICs, but maybe i should give it a go.
[11:47] <shirro> gordon_drogon: you couldn't apt-get gcc?
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[11:47] <gordon_drogon> from an architecture point of view, I prefer the atmel chips, but hey ...
[11:47] <gordon_drogon> no - I tried and it didn't work.
[11:48] <gordon_drogon> maybe I need to apt-get update first? I'll reboot...
[11:48] <shirro> gordon_drogon: i was told earlier that build-essential was all good to go. you do need to do an update first yes
[11:48] <gordon_drogon> ok. give me a few moments.
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[11:48] <gordon_drogon> Does X work?
[11:49] <drazyl> xxXxxXXxXXXXx
[11:49] <drazyl> seems to
[11:50] <gordon_drogon> haha :)
[11:50] <shirro> gordon_drogon: possibly not. The xserver might but gtk and stuff might still be building
[11:52] <gordon_drogon> ok. I can run native, but it's fiddly. there;s a lot of work to do there I reckon. may need to switch to compost video output, however that'll change the XY size of the display. (grr)
[11:53] <shirro> gordon_drogon: you can always try it. they are churning out the packages all the time.
[11:53] <gordon_drogon> ok
[11:53] <gordon_drogon> right, installing build-essential now.
[11:53] <gordon_drogon> might be brave and do an update too :)
[11:54] <gordon_drogon> back in a few. coffee time :)
[11:54] <shirro> trying to work out something that will drag in a minimum of x stuff without choking on missing dependencies might be interesting
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[12:04] <xranby> zgreg_: the armhf drivers are included in the raspbian image!
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[12:13] <xranby> gordon_drogon: hum.. ok do youhappen to know the preset login/password on the rasbian image?
[12:14] <xranby> ok got it root / hexxeh
[12:16] <gordon_drogon> ok...
[12:16] <gordon_drogon> well that was intersting.
[12:16] <gordon_drogon> Failed to compile basic though - no SDL libraries yet!
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> so, install the system from the .zip. apt-get update/upgrade/install built-essential
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> and it's good to compile C programs.
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> but without SDL, I can't compile my basic interpreter - yet.
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[12:18] <gordon_drogon> however, knowing that I can use -mfpu= something else is a good start though.
[12:19] <gordon_drogon> mervaka: if you're still there, you might find https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ of interest.
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[12:36] <SBeans> ok, I have an order for my raspberry Pi 29/02/2012 11:43
[12:36] <SBeans> just wondering at what point do I / should I have paid?
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[12:37] <gordon_drogon> RS or Farnell?
[12:37] <SBeans> ...
[12:37] <SBeans> please hold
[12:37] <SBeans> ( id did both orginally)
[12:38] <SBeans> farnell
[12:38] <gordon_drogon> Farnell have my CC details - i'm expecting them to just debit the card when ready to ship.
[12:38] <SBeans> this!
[12:38] <wjoe_> it's farnell. I'm a bit worried, card number has changed since I ordered, but can't find any confirmation of payment
[12:38] <SBeans> but I dont want to have any more delay, my firends ordered 20mins before me and are getting their confiremed dates now, so I am getting reexcited
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[12:40] <gordon_drogon> I got a confirmed date from Farnell of the 23rd of June I think.
[12:40] <SBeans> :/
[12:40] <SBeans> when did you order
[12:40] <gordon_drogon> Oh no, 21st May.
[12:41] <gordon_drogon> I ordered at 6pm... I thought the original posting on the forum was for 6pm, not 6am - Doh!
[12:41] <SBeans> yea, I was going to say, my last date they gave me was about 1 month ago
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[12:41] <SBeans> but yea anyone here with a PI from farnell care to help?
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[12:42] <gordon_drogon> Hm. neat. I'll have a 2nd one in 3 weeks time :)
[12:42] <gordon_drogon> wonder what I'll do with it...
[12:43] <gordon_drogon> I suspect by then the price will have dropped on ebay"
[12:44] <TopherBrink> i just got despatch notice for my second pi
[12:44] <Onlyodin> :O
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[12:44] <TopherBrink> farnell finally got around to it
[12:44] <wjoe_> I'm constantly spamming F5 on my inbox for that
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[12:45] <TopherBrink> the benefit of having ordered from both suppliers
[12:45] * wjoe_ is now known as wjoe
[12:45] <gordon_drogon> yea, I'm more impressed with Farnell than RS. RS seem to have stopped sending me emails
[12:45] <SBeans> same
[12:45] <TopherBrink> i've had almost zero from farnell since feb
[12:45] <gordon_drogon> so I had lots of "it's coming soon" emails from RS, but as yet, no "invitation to order".
[12:45] <TopherBrink> RS on the other hand, quite a few
[12:45] <gordon_drogon> weird.
[12:45] <wjoe> I never got a thing from RS after 'regsitering interest'
[12:46] <Onlyodin> I'd say a good proportion of the reported 70,000 people who 'registered interest' with RS have become some of the 112,000 that have supposedly ordered through farnell.
[12:46] <Kolin> wjoe: check your spam folder, gmail was sticking mine in there
[12:46] <TopherBrink> so now i have to get wifi working again to have my first cross-pi quake 3 deathmatch
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[12:50] <gordon_drogon> wifi - via a usb dongle?
[12:51] <TopherBrink> yup
[12:51] <gordon_drogon> prefer cable myself :)
[12:51] <gordon_drogon> but my home/office is hardwired with lots and lots of cat5...
[12:51] <TopherBrink> so do i but this pi will be in another room
[12:52] <gordon_drogon> ok
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[12:52] <gordon_drogon> I do have wifi - to support my wifes gadget habit ;)
[12:52] <Onlyodin> Has anyone hooked up an IR remote receiver?
[12:52] <gordon_drogon> and it does make it easy for laptops.
[12:52] <ollymorfik_> heh
[12:53] <gordon_drogon> not used IR for .... ever..
[12:53] <TopherBrink> and for cross-home q3 pi matches
[12:53] <ollymorfik_> lircd
[12:53] <gordon_drogon> I'm not really a gamer. Maybe I'll get q3 just because though.
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[12:54] <gordon_drogon> I worked for a games company some 15 years ago and it sort of put me off...
[12:54] <Onlyodin> Well, I have a Logitech Harmony One, and it doesn't have anything other than IR
[12:55] <gordon_drogon> going to fiddle with xchat for a bit to see if I can get it to talk to another IRC server (this is my first time using xchat) so if I vanish, don't be surprised :)
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[12:59] <Hattara-pilvi> Onlyodin: I have one of those Microsoft type of MCE remotes, which works 100% with lirc in my desktop, so no reason why it wouln't on RPi
[12:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> irssi FTW
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[13:00] <Hattara-pilvi> RaTTuS|BIG: What FTW is there in Irssi?
[13:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> beats x-chat anyday
[13:01] <Hattara-pilvi> Does basic irc:ing as good as weechat
[13:01] <huene> you can let it run on your server 24/7 for example
[13:01] <Hattara-pilvi> Oh the FTW was ment to be positve and not negative?
[13:02] <huene> ftw means "for the win"
[13:02] <Onlyodin> Hattara-pilvi, thanks. does it come with an IR receiver or something?
[13:02] <SBeans> 11:58 < RaTTuS|BIG> irssi FTW
[13:02] <huene> that's always positive. als long as you're not being sarcastic :)
[13:02] <SBeans> agreed
[13:03] <SBeans> losing FTW!
[13:03] <Hattara-pilvi> Onlyodin: Well this one came bundled with some crappy HP desktop
[13:04] * Hattara-pilvi hates LOLs, WTFs, LFMAs and all of those. Expecially lol
[13:04] <gordon_drogon> laughs out loud :)
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[13:06] <gordon_drogon> just wish I could make more money out of it :)
[13:06] <gordon_drogon> bother. wrong window.
[13:06] <Onlyodin> Hattara-pilvi, so, did the desktop come bundled with a plug-in IR receiver, or did it have something built into the case?
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[13:07] <Hydrazine> how usefull would a PWM library be for users?
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[13:09] <gordon_drogon> what sort of library?
[13:09] <Hydrazine> easy acces so you dont have to talk to the registers directly
[13:09] <gordon_drogon> I think it would be good - so I wrote one..
[13:09] <Hydrazine> ow nice
[13:09] <gordon_drogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[13:09] <Hattara-pilvi> Onlyodin: External with 10m usb cable fat as a fire hose
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[13:10] <gordon_drogon> what might be more useful is a kernel level driver, to poke waveforms out via PWM, but that needs interrupt handling and DMA as I understand it...
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[13:11] <gordon_drogon> that's how the current audio driver works - which I guess you could just use.
[13:11] <moosya> did anyone get their raspberry pi yet?
[13:11] <gordon_drogon> I have one..
[13:12] <moosya> which place did you get it from?
[13:12] <moosya> mine seems to be on backorder
[13:12] <Hydrazine> farnell
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[13:13] <moosya> do you like it?
[13:13] <Hydrazine> i was more thinking along the lines of a kernel module or something
[13:13] <Hydrazine> but this looks usefull too
[13:14] <Hydrazine> moosya: it's not really fast, but it works
[13:14] <Hydrazine> and the price is perfect :P
[13:14] <moosya> and it comes preinstalled with the OS. right?
[13:15] <gordon_drogon> I was one of the suckers who succumbed to getting one of ebay.
[13:15] <Hydrazine> ouch
[13:15] <gordon_drogon> I have on on order from Farnell which should be here in 3 weeks time though.
[13:16] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: Nope
[13:16] <gordon_drogon> the price was acceptable to me *shrug*
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[13:16] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: You need to install the system to SDcard yourself
[13:16] <moosya> it doesn't work "out of the box"?
[13:16] <Hydrazine> but thats not hard
[13:17] <Onlyodin> Hattara-pilvi, thanks
[13:17] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: There as a simple app to do that. Just pliugin a sdcard to your PC and few clicks and you are done
[13:17] <gordon_drogon> or get a head-start and install Debian on an old PC :)
[13:17] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: Nope, not exactly. There are several different linux distributions for RPi and you have to choose yor favourite
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[13:18] <moosya> what linux distro is everyone installing?
[13:18] <gordon_drogon> This is true, but it looks like Debian is getting the most support right now though.
[13:18] <Hattara-pilvi> Or if you don't have old PC, but a new shiney you can install VirtualBox and install debian virtually as "applocation" toy yourwindows
[13:19] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: Fedora might be the one for you,
[13:19] <gordon_drogon> I have Debian, but I've been using it for about 18 years now...
[13:19] <moosya> ooh I like the virtual box idea. now I have a reason to install it
[13:20] <Onlyodin> I'm interested to see if the Fedora remix is going in the same direction as the full blooded version
[13:20] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: We currently support Debian, Fedora and ArchLinux. I think this is somwhat sanish ide of which to choose. Debian: Server or super minimal install, Fedora: Easy desktop system, Arch: if you alredy use Arch on your dekstop
[13:20] <moosya> can I adjust the space allocation of the vm after I install it? Or do I need to preallocate a specific size (ie., the size of the linux distro + space for whatever)
[13:21] <Hattara-pilvi> moosya: Vbox can create a magicg hard drive image. Which will grow as you put stuff in it. Make 50GB HDD image and it takes 1Mb of space before you install the system
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[13:21] <SBeans> 12:14 < gordon_drogon> I was one of the suckers who succumbed to getting one of ebay.
[13:21] <SBeans> dooche move
[13:21] <gordon_drogon> ?
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[13:24] <SBeans> whole idea of the PI, cheap PC.
[13:24] * zear_ is now known as zear
[13:24] <SBeans> Nothing to do with performance, although it's good per ??
[13:25] <SBeans> but then you buy earlier and expenisve on ebay?
[13:25] <SBeans> seems to counter the point of the PI
[13:25] <gordon_drogon> yea and no.
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[13:26] <gordon_drogon> I can afford it. I wanted one, I got one. Simple as that.
[13:26] <gordon_drogon> Someone got lucky and got 3x what they paid for it. I got a Pi.
[13:26] <gordon_drogon> I don't have an issue with that. Supply & demand and all that.
[13:27] <SBeans> yea, it's fair enough. Just seems rather strange, as on of the key reasons to /want/ a PI is the price, or more importantly the performance per ??
[13:27] <SBeans> *one
[13:27] <TopherBrink> indeed
[13:27] <gordon_drogon> sure.
[13:27] <SBeans> I mean, it's just a low performance PC thats cheap
[13:27] <gordon_drogon> I have no issues with that - that's a good goal.
[13:27] <SBeans> and you paid 3x the price
[13:28] <SBeans> you /could/ have just bought a PC 3X as good
[13:28] <SBeans> :/
[13:28] <gordon_drogon> For 100 quid? Not sure I could..
[13:28] <gordon_drogon> However my business buys ALIX boards for the same price - 500MHz AMD Geode processor, on-board ethernet (3 ports) USB (2 ports)
[13:28] <SBeans> well, you could have purchased second hand parts...
[13:28] <gordon_drogon> I don't need to.
[13:29] <SBeans> you can have my old computer for ??100
[13:29] <SBeans> it's better than a PI
[13:29] <gordon_drogon> I've just sold 4 old PCs for 20 quid..
[13:29] <SBeans> fantastically relevant.
[13:29] <gordon_drogon> not really :)
[13:30] <SBeans> I guess my point is, your decsion was not logical, you clearly got the PI so you could have this converstation, and say you "were one of the first"
[13:30] <gordon_drogon> actually, the last Intel Atom board I bought was about 65 quid...
[13:30] * Lord_DeathMatch is now known as Lord_DM-eating
[13:30] <SBeans> which is essentailly not at all what the PI is about
[13:30] <gordon_drogon> No... I got the pi so I could play with it.
[13:30] <SBeans> just a thought
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[13:30] <gordon_drogon> and since then I've ported my BASIC interpreter to it, written some GPIO handling code and had a lot of fun.
[13:30] <SBeans> again, you could have plaid with one of your many computers etc etc
[13:30] <gordon_drogon> yes, it's just another Lnux box to me.
[13:31] <Hydrazine> doesn't compare to playing with a low level arm SoC
[13:31] <gordon_drogon> but your saying I'm not allowed to have fun?
[13:31] <Hydrazine> imho
[13:31] <gordon_drogon> I enjoy programming, I enjoy looking at new toys, having new ideas.
[13:31] <SBeans> gordon_drogon: i'm not saying anything about what you can or cannot do
[13:32] <gordon_drogon> Life is fun.
[13:32] <SBeans> just pointing out that getting a PI for 3 times the price is going completly against the reason for having one in the first place.
[13:32] <gordon_drogon> and he who dies with the most toys wins ;-)
[13:32] <gordon_drogon> Who's reason though?
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[13:32] <gordon_drogon> It's just a preception.
[13:32] <SBeans> raspberry Pi's
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> If I could have justified getting one of the first 10 off ebay then I'd have gotten one of those.
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> at the time I couldn't justify it.
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> but for 100 quid? Sure.
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> why not?
[13:33] <SBeans> but your psudo logic, can't rationalize to that extent?
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> I'm not rationalising anything.
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> I bought it because I could.
[13:33] <SBeans> thats like saying, hmm I want an apple ??5 why not
[13:33] <SBeans> I can so why not
[13:33] <gordon_drogon> if it's a nice apple...
[13:34] <SBeans> in this case, it' a small, low performance piece of fruit
[13:34] <SBeans> which many would say == !nice apple
[13:34] <SBeans> or at least not as nice as a nice one
[13:34] <SBeans> anyway
[13:35] <SBeans> not saying you shouldnt have or what not, just seemed strange tis all.
[13:35] <gordon_drogon> yea, it's strange, and I have to say that initially I'd no intention of geting one off ebay.
[13:35] <gordon_drogon> I was going to wait.
[13:36] <gordon_drogon> however, an event came up and I had the opportunity to do some demos of my BASIC interpreter and thought it would be cool if I could demo it on a Pi.
[13:36] <gordon_drogon> So I got one.
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[13:37] <moosya> what's a good site to download the debian distro?
[13:38] <huene> debian.org? :)
[13:38] <huene> or the raspberry site, if you want the build for the pi
[13:39] <moosya> debian "squeeze" is the popular choice?
[13:40] <gordon_drogon> Squeeze is the current stable release of Debian.
[13:40] <gordon_drogon> it's the one supplied by the RPi foundation.
[13:40] <gordon_drogon> so if you install squeeze in a pc/virtualbox then it's going to be fairly similar to the one of the Pi.
[13:40] <moosya> perfect. that's exactly what I'm trying to do
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[13:41] <gordon_drogon> you might want to try to persuade it to install the LXDE winding manager though. It might install gnome by default.
[13:41] <gordon_drogon> The Pi uses LXDE as it's "lightweight" - less memory, etc.
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[13:45] <gordon_drogon> I've no experience of running virtualbox under windows though - someone else will have to help you there.
[13:45] <moosya> i'm running on mac
[13:45] <Hattara-pilvi> VBox in windows is just doub??le click in the installer .xe
[13:45] <Hattara-pilvi> Same for Mac I think. Execpt ofcourse the .dmg image instead of .exe
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[13:49] <mervaka> gordon_drogon: thanks
[13:49] <mervaka> this is an irssi screen session that i detach from, so nothing's lost :)
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[13:50] <mervaka> gordon_drogon: UART too? i should have guessed! :)
[13:51] <gordon_drogon> uart on the GPIO? Yea, someone pointed out that they can be used for GPIO pins to - just reboot with the console access turned off.
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[13:53] <TopherBrink> ah, openelec instruction no longer working now zlib 1.2.6 has been removed from the url
[13:54] <Hattara-pilvi> TopherBrink: Use another version,
[13:54] <TopherBrink> i tried this. the instructions try to download that version regardless
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[13:57] <TopherBrink> since the file isnt there, the build stops
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[13:58] <sraue> TopherBrink, pull again from git and start a new build... some things are changed
[13:59] <TopherBrink> only pulled the git last night but k
[14:00] <TopherBrink> gotta love the linux way. constantly update and damn the breakages it causes.
[14:00] <ollymorfik_> http://i.imgur.com/2ovJL.jpg
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[14:02] <gordon_drogon> 1994 :)
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[14:03] <TopherBrink> kill open source and end the horror now
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[14:04] <TopherBrink> git repulled
[14:04] <TopherBrink> same error
[14:07] <ShiftPlusOne> What are you building?
[14:08] <sraue> "cat packages/compress/zlib/meta" <-- what is the value from PKG_VERSION
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[14:11] <TopherBrink> openelec
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> never heard of it, looks pretty awesome.
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[14:12] <TopherBrink> it is
[14:12] <TopherBrink> or was when the build instructions worked ;)
[14:12] <sraue> they works
[14:12] <sraue> if you use the latest checkout
[14:13] <TopherBrink> i redownloaded the git...
[14:13] <sraue> how?
[14:14] <TopherBrink> git clone blahdeblahblah as it states in the instructions
[14:14] <sraue> go in the openelec source folder and do a "git pull origin master"
[14:14] <TopherBrink> zlib pkgversion = 1.2.6
[14:14] <TopherBrink> k
[14:15] <sraue> then "rm -rf build.OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel"
[14:15] <sraue> then "PROJECT=RPi ARCH=arm make"
[14:18] <TopherBrink> someone has just posted on the openelec comments saying to change the version in package/compress/zlib/meta
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[14:20] <sraue> sure... but i have done some changes today to other things
[14:20] <TopherBrink> k
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[14:20] <tzarc> mmm, now to do some initramfs modifications
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[14:22] <Hattara-pilvi> Tried to build openelec, XD the croscompiler tried to link it against ly systems ligcc XD
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[14:23] <TopherBrink> new error, ugh
[14:23] <TopherBrink> fun
[14:25] * tzarc is in the process of making a kernel that allows mounting of disk images from SD/USB as the root, based on config file
[14:26] <tzarc> i.e. keep a debian distro in one image, xbmc in another image, change a text file to boot the otheer
[14:26] <tzarc> that's the theory at leas
[14:26] <tzarc> t
[14:26] <TopherBrink> nice
[14:26] <ReggieUK> oooh iso loader
[14:26] <TopherBrink> heh
[14:26] <tzarc> yeah kinda
[14:26] <tzarc> more just ability to quickly change rootfs
[14:26] <tzarc> instead of burning new SD's etc.
[14:26] <tzarc> means you shouldn't need to fuck around with fdisk either
[14:27] <TopherBrink> definitely a time/wear saver
[14:27] <tzarc> drop in a new image from someone, change a text file, done
[14:27] <ReggieUK> just a question of changing the kernel commandline and making sure the image is where you said it is
[14:27] <tzarc> yep
[14:27] <gordon_drogon> so it loads the kernel off the SD, then uses the command-line to say where /root is ?
[14:27] <tzarc> yep
[14:27] <gordon_drogon> neat.
[14:27] <ReggieUK> I did something like that for an arm9 device we hacked
[14:27] <tzarc> slightly more complex than that, but that's the gist
[14:27] <ReggieUK> the commandline editing part of it at aleast
[14:27] <TopherBrink> as an OS freak i can only approve
[14:28] <tzarc> gonna put busybox in an initramfs, much like the emergency kernel
[14:28] <gordon_drogon> someone mentioned they had NFS root working on the forums too..
[14:28] <tzarc> then have a file on the boot partition saying whether it should enter recovery
[14:28] <ReggieUK> that has got to be the biggest and best feature that they put in piOS
[14:28] <ReggieUK> tzarc, could always do a vulcan death pinch on some gpios setup as buttons to enter recovery
[14:29] <tzarc> yep
[14:29] <tzarc> but I figure you can pull SD card out just as easy :P
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[14:29] <gordon_drogon> I guess the issue is making the kernel see the first /dev/sdaX as root if you have multiple USB keys plugged in...
[14:29] <tzarc> besides, if the SD is fucked, it ain't booting regardless :P
[14:29] <tzarc> the kernel+initrd mounting disk images is how we do stuff at work
[14:30] <tzarc> figure I can just do the same sort of thing
[14:30] <TopherBrink> more undefined references to gzgetc_ follw collect 2 ld returned 1 exit status ccache error 1 leaving directoryblahblah/ccache-3.1.7
[14:30] <Hattara-pilvi> gordon_drogon: Problem solved, use UUID's
[14:30] <gordon_drogon> actually, I quite fancy the idea of NFS root - probably a lot faster than my crappy old type 4 SD cards..
[14:30] <ReggieUK> nfs root shouldn't be difficult
[14:30] <tzarc> wonder whether I can switch_root to nfs
[14:30] <tzarc> if so, then it'll be piss easy
[14:30] <ReggieUK> language plz!
[14:30] <TopherBrink> urine easy
[14:30] <ReggieUK> better
[14:30] <tzarc> lol fair enough
[14:31] <tzarc> keep forgetting this place is kosher
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[14:31] <ReggieUK> tzarc, I don't mean to sound like a bore over it all, same goes for anyone else, the channel is pretty lax about what you can talk about, just keep swearing off channel :)
[14:32] <TopherBrink> try you again in a day or two openelec
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[14:32] <TopherBrink> glad i kept my backup now
[14:32] <tzarc> yep yep, all good
[14:32] <tzarc> just habit :P
[14:33] <ReggieUK> I'm the same in other channels, just not here
[14:33] * tzarc nods
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> "redownloaded the git" XD
[14:34] <tntexplosivesltd> close =)
[14:35] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: you bore!
[14:35] <ReggieUK> :D
[14:36] <ReggieUK> blah, blah, blah, blah, knitting, blah, blah, blah, blah
[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> KNITTING??????
[14:36] <gordon_drogon> Baking...
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> HOW DARE YOU???
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> baking is fone
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> * fine
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> everyone loves food
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> .names
[14:36] <benwilliam> blah blah blah Mr. Freeman
[14:36] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[14:36] <ReggieUK> Baking? How very, very rude!
[14:37] <tntexplosivesltd> where's the goddamn pibot
[14:37] <dmsuse> !weather london
[14:37] <dmsuse> he dead!
[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne> banned for trolling
[14:37] <TopherBrink> unsure of the joke there. following instructions and finding they dont work, not really that amusing
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: ?
[14:38] <TopherBrink> done it four times previously, this just happened to be the first on a new install
[14:38] <dmsuse> the car vacuum cleaner i bought on ebay just arrived, the motor in it looks smaller than a cpu fan, i think i have made a mistake :P
[14:38] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: what are you talking about
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[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> the motor? Or the impeller?
[14:39] <dmsuse> i guess the impeller i can't see the motor
[14:39] <TopherBrink> for some reason redownloading the git seemed to amuse
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[14:39] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: yeah, calling it a git
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> it's a repo
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, it's funny for the same reason "looking it up on the googles" is funny.
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[14:40] <TopherBrink> oh good a semantics battle
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> git is the program you use
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> it's not a battle
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> I said it was funny
[14:40] <tntexplosivesltd> you can choose to dwell =)
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[14:40] <dmsuse> git <-- isn't that swearing ? ReggieUK tellh im!
[14:40] <dmsuse> *him
[14:41] <drazyl> only very midly
[14:41] <tntexplosivesltd> well it's named after linus
[14:41] <drazyl> mildly even
[14:41] <tntexplosivesltd> he calles himself that =)
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Is Brittish swearing real swearing though?
[14:41] <drazyl> ahhh, some of it is
[14:41] <drazyl> we have most excellent words
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> aside from "bullocks" you've got nothing
[14:42] <drazyl> the whole range from amusingly offensive to start-a-fight offensive
[14:42] <dmsuse> yeah imagine, an offensive sentence that doesn't involve "yo momma" :P
[14:42] <drazyl> who could need more?
[14:42] <ReggieUK> git, not sure if it's swearing or just perjorative
[14:42] <TopherBrink> my deepest apologies for not typing out "from the github", instead using a form which was shorter yet perfectly understandable. i shall feel the shame for a thousand years... no wait it doesnt matter.
[14:42] <drazyl> perjorative
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: sometimes calling things by the correct names helps answer your questions too =)
[14:42] <tntexplosivesltd> also that doesn't matter
[14:43] <TopherBrink> it was understood
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[14:43] <tntexplosivesltd> sub git for repo, still short =)
[14:44] <TopherBrink> difference made = 0
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> well
[14:44] <TopherBrink> semantic tediousness, the bane of linux
[14:44] <TopherBrink> sigh
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> git is the program you use
[14:44] <TopherBrink> and ignore is the command i used
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> so there coild have been a problem with it, in which case you would redownload git
[14:44] <tntexplosivesltd> which is what you said
[14:45] <tntexplosivesltd> but not what you meant =)
[14:45] <tntexplosivesltd> * could
[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, it's just a good habit to be unambiguous and use proper(ish) grammar when asking questions. Granted you didn't come saying "Halp! My linux is brokn! Wat do I typ?????!?!?", but that would be an extreme example of why being precise is good.
[14:46] <tntexplosivesltd> just saying, in future it might help with asking directed questions
[14:46] <TopherBrink> it was understood
[14:46] <tntexplosivesltd> though your questions seem to be reasonably intelligent so far
[14:46] <TopherBrink> after that point anything else is just pendanticness
[14:46] <drazyl> no, he said he redownloaded THE git
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[14:46] <drazyl> which semantically is different
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> save the odddig at linuc for no reason
[14:47] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, this is getting silly
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> * odd dog
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> god
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> this is a bad day
[14:47] <TopherBrink> the person who took it up understood the meaning.
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> * save the odd dig at linux for no reason
[14:47] <tntexplosivesltd> fix'd
[14:47] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, got there eventually, well done.
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: that's fine, accept the suggestion and move on =)
[14:48] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, it's been a late night =P
[14:48] <TopherBrink> semantically i should have said i added him to the ignorelist. oh well.
[14:48] <TopherBrink> end result matters.
[14:49] <tntexplosivesltd> 00:39 < tntexplosivesltd> you can choose to dwell =)
[14:49] <TopherBrink> linux, 52 flavours depending on text editor. no wonder arguing definition eats up so much of their time.
[14:50] <tntexplosivesltd> what would you rather?
[14:50] <tntexplosivesltd> also that's the point, you choose one that suits you, not one for the mass market
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[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> or... you can use whatever text editor you like. I haven't found the need to go beyond nano and geany.
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> that's pretty much it
[14:51] <tzarc> geany+plugins+nano = done
[14:51] <ReggieUK> gedit and vi with the odd bit of kate here
[14:51] <tzarc> built from git of course :P
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> eclipse because my programming lecturers are idiots
[14:51] <tntexplosivesltd> and vim =)
[14:52] <TopherBrink> ./nerd you mean source DOWNLOADED FROM THE REPO
[14:52] <TopherBrink> snort
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> who let the pig in here?
[14:52] <zgreg_> what's wrong with eclipse?
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> oh, just TopherBrink. Good impression. Do you do other animals
[14:52] <zgreg_> ok, there is a lot wrong with eclipse, but overall it's decent.
[14:52] <tntexplosivesltd> zgreg_: it's java =/
[14:53] <tzarc> we were told to use SlickEdit at work
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> and it's huge
[14:53] <tzarc> I told them to head somewhere else
[14:53] <zgreg_> what's wrong with java?
[14:53] <tzarc> (see, no expletives!)
[14:53] <zgreg_> and yes it's huge, because it's not just an editor :)
[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't like it at all
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[14:53] <tntexplosivesltd> zgreg_: what else is it?
[14:53] <TopherBrink> bring on aros, etc
[14:53] <tzarc> I have to build everything from source because we're locked into an old version of opensuse
[14:54] <tzarc> rather annoying
[14:54] <SBeans> queue classic, mostly pointless argument about programming languages... ;)
[14:54] <zgreg_> tntexplosivesltd: a full-featured IDE
[14:54] <zgreg_> SBeans: hehe
[14:54] <zgreg_> I don't really get the java hate though
[14:54] <tntexplosivesltd> heh, well that's a distinction you choose to make =P
[14:54] <zgreg_> people seem to hate it because it's popular
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate it because standard programming techniques are convoluted and some don't even apply
[14:55] <tntexplosivesltd> and the memory management leaves a lot to be desired
[14:55] <NucWin> i hate java too
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> I mean it does have its place
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[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> but as always it's a matter of personal preference
[14:56] <tzarc> i.e. not when you need performance
[14:56] <tzarc> :P
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> source: minecraft
[14:56] <tntexplosivesltd> owait....
[14:56] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg_, I like the idea of java. It just seems that everything that uses java is slower and more bloated than the non-java based alternatives. I had no problem with java until the experience with bad java programs built up. I am sure there are many good java programs which are comparable to their C and C++ alternatives, but, it's not the norm.
[14:56] <Matt> morning
[14:57] <tzarc> macromedia flash took the whole "bad programs" thing and ran with it
[14:57] <tzarc> errr, adobe
[14:57] <tzarc> lol, I always do that
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[14:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: those programs don't take into account starting the JRE either =P
[14:57] <SBeans> it doesn't make much sense to "hate" any programming language
[14:57] <tzarc> anyone could "make stuff", and it was 99% of the time crappy
[14:58] <Matt> yeah, java as a language is quite nice
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> SBeans: yes, here we are
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[14:58] <fALSO> lol java on the rpi
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> * yet
[14:58] <Matt> you can compile your java to native machinecode tho
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> I hate the language itself too
[14:58] <SBeans> I mean based on your specfic problem you are trying to solve, there are a lots of contributing factors why one choses a language
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> Matt: now you can
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[14:58] <gordon_drogon> we should just stick to BASIC :)
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, even other languages which are on top a VM are better. I don't notice the difference between .NET/mono and C++, for example. I don't think it's the vm layer that's the problem.
[14:59] <SBeans> love and hate isnt really important or relevant
[14:59] <Matt> tntexplosivesltd: you've been able to for years
[14:59] <SBeans> except vb
[14:59] <tntexplosivesltd> it used to be a real cluster though
[14:59] <SBeans> vb can infintly die in a ditch
[14:59] <SBeans> ;)
[14:59] <gordon_drogon> never used VB
[14:59] <tntexplosivesltd> don't
[14:59] <fALSO> vb and java
[14:59] <gordon_drogon> ok, I won't :)
[14:59] <fALSO> and any .net crap
[14:59] <SBeans> so if you want to create a cross platform desktop application, what would you use?
[15:00] <SBeans> java is top of the list
[15:00] <gordon_drogon> that would requie microsoft...
[15:00] <fALSO> c
[15:00] <tzarc> SBeans: I dislike java enough that I wrote my own interface using openGL instead
[15:00] <gordon_drogon> Oddly enough I'm in the process of creating a cross desktop platform - at least that's my hope. Using C and the SDL libraries.
[15:00] <SBeans> thats ok. but in a buisness things like this just don't happen
[15:00] <tntexplosivesltd> SBeans: nope, C or C++
[15:00] <SBeans> you just use the most suited
[15:00] <tzarc> oh of course
[15:01] <tzarc> in business it's "just write a webapp"
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> gordon_drogon, a gui library or more than that?
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> java isn't cross-platform
[15:01] <gordon_drogon> although my app. isn't really a GUI type application.
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[15:01] <SBeans> yea C and C++ would be up there, but java can be good for simpler stuff
[15:01] <gordon_drogon> SDL is very low-level.
[15:01] <SBeans> where speed isnt a major issue
[15:01] <SBeans> maybe speed of development is more important
[15:01] <tntexplosivesltd> java only works on one platform, the JRE
[15:01] <gordon_drogon> If I had to write a cross-platform GUI type application, then I've no idea.
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> so java is in fact not cross-platform
[15:02] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, you win another 10 pedantry points. =D
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> that's what I am here for
[15:02] <gordon_drogon> However I know that the likes of GIMP, OO/LO are cross platform, so I might look at what they use.
[15:02] <SBeans> well, yes, but then it is "cross platform" because there are many implemetnations of the jre across multiple platforms
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> but really, I am being more brutal than normal
[15:02] <SBeans> tntexplosivesltd: it's psudo cross platform
[15:02] <tntexplosivesltd> which is bad, I have an assignment to do
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> SBeans: yeah, as long as your platform has a build of JRE for it
[15:03] <SBeans> point stands, that no language is "bad" persuae , just not ideal for the situation, often personal prefernce is irrelevant
[15:03] <SBeans> indeed.
[15:03] <SBeans> it covers most bases, but not all
[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, it matters to many end users.
[15:03] <tntexplosivesltd> well Java can be syntactically bad
[15:04] <gordon_drogon> yea, I've just written a BASIC interpreter and while it's fun, it's of little commercial use at all.
[15:04] <TopherBrink> meanwhile a windows user wouldve had the job done
[15:04] <fALSO> lol imagine java on the pi
[15:04] <fALSO> welcome back to 1981
[15:04] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: and it wouldn't work on most servers or people with sane computers =P
[15:05] <tntexplosivesltd> and tbh I found getting C or C++ working on windows a real pain
[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[15:05] <SBeans> there are so many factors to think about, extra costs, ability needed to code, what coders you have already...
[15:05] <tntexplosivesltd> fALSO: =D
[15:05] <fALSO> the pi using CPU is really slow
[15:05] <dmsuse> windows aint the future :P
[15:06] <fALSO> the only good thing is the gpu
[15:06] <SBeans> thats why there are still vb applications, because a comapny full of vb coders, dont want to spend time and money on retraining
[15:06] <fALSO> so dont think that something very cpu intensive will run nicely
[15:06] <gordon_drogon> The Pi isn't aimed at running big commercial type applications.
[15:06] <tntexplosivesltd> farmboy: also there's the memory usage
[15:06] <gordon_drogon> It is slow, lacks memory.
[15:06] <tntexplosivesltd> ugh
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> * fALSO ^^
[15:07] <gordon_drogon> but as a teaching/leaning platform it ought to be capable.
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, my G1 was mostly limited by low memory and crappy GPU, not the CPU speed.
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> farmboy: sorry, tab complete fail
[15:07] <fALSO> i cant still understand how they advertised it to play 1080videos etc
[15:07] <TopherBrink> windows not the future... yeah, which year is the year of linux on the desktop again..? :P
[15:07] <fALSO> when theres isnt any working audio driver
[15:07] <ShiftPlusOne> CPU speed is overrated... though <1GHz is a bit annoying
[15:07] <TopherBrink> it does play 1080p, openelec does it
[15:07] <gordon_drogon> it does aply 1080p videos - doesn't it? that's not done by the CPU though.
[15:07] <fALSO> they dont even know if it will play 1080 video with audio nicely
[15:07] <TopherBrink> with audio
[15:07] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: when people stop paying for an operating system =P
[15:07] <fALSO> because they told you so ?
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[15:07] <TopherBrink> because you can do it
[15:08] <TopherBrink> go build openelec and see it for yourself
[15:08] <tntexplosivesltd> "You can do it, because you can do it"
[15:08] <gordon_drogon> the CPU manages getting the data into the memory off the storage and the GPU decodes it and displays it to the video.
[15:08] <fALSO> yes you can do it
[15:08] <gordon_drogon> at least that as I understand it.
[15:08] <fALSO> but no one has still do it
[15:08] <fALSO> thats a really nice thing
[15:08] <TopherBrink> ...
[15:08] <fALSO> audio on my movies ? not required
[15:08] <fALSO> audio on my quake 3 ? not required
[15:08] <fALSO> :-P
[15:09] <dmsuse> i can see tons of people moving to linux because of pi alone :P
[15:09] * TopherBrink clicks hugo 1080p
[15:09] <TopherBrink> oh its playing. with audio.
[15:09] <TopherBrink> ON MY RPI
[15:09] <fALSO> with which player ?
[15:09] <TopherBrink> openelec as i said a few times
[15:09] <gordon_drogon> I don't have a 1080p monitor to try it with.
[15:10] <fALSO> how does it have sound if the current kernel audio driver doesnt work correctly ?
[15:10] <fALSO> bullshit ?
[15:10] <TopherBrink> yeah okay openelec is bull
[15:10] <TopherBrink> i must be imagining this
[15:10] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: so how's your linux experience been so far? First time with it?
[15:10] <TopherBrink> its very vivid
[15:10] <TopherBrink> but you say it cant be so it must be a shared hallucination
[15:10] <fALSO> tntexplosivesltd, do you have any proof ?
[15:11] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:11] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: ^^
[15:11] <tntexplosivesltd> ftfy
[15:11] <fALSO> yap topherbrink
[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, running mocp... playing an audio file without any problems.
[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> It's an iffy driver, but it works.
[15:11] <fALSO> thats not what i said
[15:11] <fALSO> i said playing 1080 movie with audio
[15:11] <fALSO> not cating a .wav file to /dev/dsp
[15:12] <TopherBrink> i said i'm doing just that
[15:12] <TopherBrink> as i have been since the tutorial on how to went up
[15:12] <fALSO> 14:07 >>> TopherBrink clicks hugo 1080p
[15:12] <fALSO> 14:07 < TopherBrink> oh its playing. with audio.
[15:12] <TopherBrink> which part of this is untrue
[15:12] <fALSO> tell me how that openlec plays audio
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, unless it't in a reputable, peer reviewed science journal, you're a liar.
[15:13] <TopherBrink> i guess so
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> *it's
[15:13] <TopherBrink> lol
[15:13] <TopherBrink> well i'm enjoying this apparently imaginary movie just as i have many previously
[15:13] <tntexplosivesltd> Imaginationland
[15:13] <mjr> wasn't it just using openmax for audio
[15:13] <TopherBrink> the hallucinated hdmi audio is really nice too
[15:14] <TopherBrink> sounds just as if it was actually playing
[15:14] <dmsuse> pwnt
[15:14] <mjr> :]
[15:14] <mjr> you've been brainwashed by the pi team. In reality, you have a matchbox and are hallucinating the whole multimedia experience
[15:14] <TopherBrink> i KNEW IT
[15:15] <TopherBrink> i knew rs couldnt really have finally shipped that order
[15:15] <dmsuse> you should send me your pi so i can verify it ;)
[15:15] <fALSO> keep where is proof ?
[15:15] <TopherBrink> its all been a dream...
[15:15] <TopherBrink> the proof is in DOWNLOAD IT AND SEE FFS
[15:15] <tntexplosivesltd> fALSO: drop it, man
[15:15] <TopherBrink> this isnt some big hidden secret
[15:15] <mjr> the proof is LOOK BEHIND YOU IT'S A BEAR
[15:15] <TopherBrink> http://openelec.tv/news/item/241-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-1
[15:15] * mjr runs away
[15:15] <fALSO> well i cant find anything on google about it
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[15:15] <fALSO> just a video
[15:15] <TopherBrink> go, run along
[15:16] <fALSO> that doesnt show anything
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[15:16] <TopherBrink> i'm busy, you're an idiot, goodbye.
[15:16] <fALSO> oh yes
[15:16] <gordon_drogon> So whats your take on it, fALSO ? Do you have a Pi? Are you getting one?
[15:16] <tntexplosivesltd> fALSO: I now find your nickname both amusing and ironic
[15:16] <TopherBrink> if he has a pi i feel deeply sorry for those of you waiting
[15:17] <dmsuse> i doubt fALSO will want one, he can't install windows on it :P
[15:17] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: it's fine, some windows lovers got in first =P
[15:17] <tntexplosivesltd> dmsuse: o/*\o
[15:18] <TopherBrink> its amazing that openelec took the time to fake out those instructions and source for this shared hallucination
[15:18] <TopherBrink> what does it take, a dozen lines of copypaste to see
[15:18] <gordon_drogon> obviously this is my first day on #raspberrypi - for some odd reason, I thought it would be full of people who have/appreciate the Pi and what it is. Quite surprised.
[15:19] * thz_nmr is now known as thz_nmr|bnc
[15:19] <tzarc> some do
[15:19] <Matt> gordon_drogon: there are a few folks on here with their pis
[15:19] <tntexplosivesltd> gordon_drogon: yeah, abandon hope all ye who enter here
[15:19] <tzarc> kernel recompiles aren't too much fun though
[15:19] <gordon_drogon> I thought I'd seen enough on COLA, however...
[15:19] <tntexplosivesltd> gordon_drogon: one's toasted his already
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[15:19] <Matt> and I'd say a good chunk of folk who've been here a while who appreciate it :)
[15:19] <tntexplosivesltd> see topic
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> gordon_drogon, you're on at a strange sort of time.
[15:20] <gordon_drogon> time to find out how to block folks on xchat now :)
[15:20] <gordon_drogon> it's lunchtime.
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> /ignore ?
[15:20] <ShiftPlusOne> gordon_drogon, this normally only happens for a few hours a day.
[15:20] <dmsuse> /ignore user
[15:20] <fALSO> /ignore nick!*@*
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> I win
[15:20] * Matt nods
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> A+
[15:20] <gordon_drogon> heh
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[15:20] <TopherBrink> i appreciate mine
[15:20] <dmsuse> but you shouldn't be using xchat its lame, try irssi :P
[15:20] <TopherBrink> it plays 1080p movies, contrary to strange belief otherwise
[15:20] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: do you appreciate linux yet?
[15:20] * ShiftPlusOne likes xchat >=/
[15:21] <dmsuse> but but.. it uses a gui...
[15:21] * gordon_drogon xchat is growing on me. I used ircii before.
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> I like irssi for use on a server
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[15:21] <Matt> xchat isn't bad
[15:21] <drazyl> plenty of people who would appreciate a Pi here, just not many getting the chance yet :)
[15:21] <Matt> I've not used it in years tho
[15:21] <Matt> these days I run irssi under screen
[15:21] <dmsuse> ^^ same
[15:21] <Matt> anyway - time to head into $customer
[15:21] <drazyl> xchat here
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:21] <tntexplosivesltd> dtach + irssi
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not quite a console-only convert. I almost followed kmandla into an X11-free environment, but it didn't stick.
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[15:22] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, I tend to use a console mainly
[15:22] <gordon_drogon> I'm in my office more than out of it, so a GUI is OK for me.
[15:22] <ShiftPlusOne> though this is quite handy for finding pi-friendly software http://kmandla.wordpress.com/software/
[15:22] <tntexplosivesltd> but there's always X there
[15:22] <dmsuse> im going X-less, lynx for browsing, mpg123 for music and irssi for chat
[15:23] <tntexplosivesltd> dmsuse: use cmus
[15:23] <fALSO> theres a really nice video of it -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao0JmzVhQro
[15:23] <fALSO> without any sound
[15:23] <fALSO> lol
[15:23] <tntexplosivesltd> dmsuse: it's beautiful
[15:23] <gordon_drogon> I was guiless in the 80's...
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> tntexplosivesltd, you're wrong, mocp all the way
[15:23] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:23] <gordon_drogon> Still use pine though (alpine)
[15:23] <tntexplosivesltd> ShiftPlusOne: I thought I'd hear that around here at some stage XD
[15:23] <dmsuse> tntexplosivesltd: surely that will use more resources than mpg*** ?
[15:24] <tntexplosivesltd> dmsuse: but it's a full audio player
[15:24] <dmsuse> oooo
[15:24] <tntexplosivesltd> not just "play this for me please, then exit"
[15:24] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[15:24] <dmsuse> thats what bash scripts are for :P
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[15:25] <TopherBrink> you've been told it can be done. youve been told where to go, how to do it, exactly what you need to do it, and people ARE doing it
[15:25] <TopherBrink> how dense are you at this point?
[15:25] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: hey, that's enough man
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[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> in summary, one video shows no sound. Another person says they have sound. So the driver's a little iffy
[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> as was stated a while back
[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> now both of you accept that the other probably is right
[15:26] <tzarc> I have pineapple jelly.
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> to be fair XBMC uses openmax directly
[15:26] <tntexplosivesltd> =O
[15:26] <ShiftPlusOne> afaik
[15:27] <TopherBrink> he's arguing it cant even do audio
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> not arguing
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> asserting
[15:27] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: he said (many times) that the driver was broken
[15:27] <TopherBrink> okay we admit it, we're all lying, the foundation is lying, openelec are in on it and its a gigantic conspiracy.
[15:27] <TopherBrink> or... you are wrong.
[15:27] <TopherBrink> which of these two things is most likely to be true
[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> you just pick a tangent and run with it, don't you TopherBrink
[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> 01:06 <+fALSO> when theres isnt any working audio driver
[15:28] <fALSO> yap, no alsa or oss
[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> so to his knowledge, the audio driver is broken
[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> would this not cause both situations
[15:28] <fALSO> i know that
[15:29] <tntexplosivesltd> the audio is ifft from the audio driver
[15:29] <tntexplosivesltd> * iffy
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[15:29] <TopherBrink> i bet this is one of the nutters who doesnt believe we went to the moon either
[15:29] <tntexplosivesltd> so, you're both right
[15:29] <TopherBrink> i have that feeling.
[15:29] <tzarc> I no longer have pineapple jelly :(
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: that's entirely unrelated
[15:30] <dmsuse> tzarc: did you just say its peanutbutter jelly time ?
[15:30] <TopherBrink> logic and evidence be damned
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> now, if no-one has anything useful to say, shut up.
[15:30] <tzarc> nope
[15:30] <tzarc> it was pineapple jelly time
[15:30] <tzarc> but that time has passed
[15:30] <dmsuse> juck
[15:30] <dmsuse> *yuck
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> this has been going on for half an hour
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> leave it be
[15:31] <SBeans> tzarc: :D
[15:31] <SBeans> doing it right since 14:25
[15:31] <tzarc> :P
[15:31] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:31] <tzarc> I think I'm gonna just stick to compiling the kernel in a chroot on my main machine
[15:32] <tzarc> compiling it on the pi is taking aaaaaaaaaaaaaages
[15:32] <TopherBrink> i suppose we could see fALSO as proof of why we need to get computers like the rpi into schools
[15:32] <SBeans> chrooting does seem the best way
[15:32] <TopherBrink> eliminating ignorance is a great cause
[15:32] <SBeans> although Im quite use to low performance machines
[15:32] <fALSO> yap we need computers without 2d drivers on schools
[15:33] <fALSO> to teach the children
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tzarc, don't even try.
[15:33] <tzarc> SBeans: same.. except it's not really the machine, but more the "framework" I have to work in
[15:33] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: enough!!
[15:33] <rm> "that'll teach them!!"
[15:33] <tzarc> ShiftPlusOne: learning things yourself is the best way! :P
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tzarc, yup, but compiling the kernel on pi isn't going to teach you anything.
[15:33] <tzarc> yes it will... not to compile on the pi
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough... that's how I learned, so I can't fault you there.
[15:34] <tzarc> :)
[15:34] * tzarc lets his "make -j9" do its thing
[15:34] <ShiftPlusOne> why not -j900 so that it's 100 times faster!?
[15:34] <tzarc> lol
[15:35] <tzarc> actually it should probably be 17
[15:35] <tzarc> it's generally accepted to be (2n+1), no?
[15:35] <ShiftPlusOne> well... j2 to be honest.
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[15:35] <ShiftPlusOne> n+1 is what I've been told
[15:35] <tzarc> mmm, fair enough
[15:35] <tzarc> 9 it is then
[15:35] <ShiftPlusOne> why 9!?
[15:36] <tzarc> 8 cores :P
[15:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ....on pi? -.-
[15:36] <tzarc> nah, chroot
[15:36] <wgeorge> I thought n+1, obviously with hyperthreaded CPUs you're going to be using 2x the number of cores +1 anyway
[15:36] <tzarc> pi compile has ceased
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[15:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[15:37] <tzarc> have actually been curious why the armhf compile effort isn't being done in a chroot, tbh
[15:37] <tzarc> considering the speed
[15:37] <tzarc> or are the iMX53's sufficiently fast compared to the pi
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[15:39] <TopherBrink> fALSO, that willful ignorance will get you far in life. stick with it. its always a solid plan.
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[15:39] <fALSO> it has worked well till today
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[15:39] <TopherBrink> the "la la la i cant hear you" approach
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> TopherBrink, are you going to continue insulting him?
[15:39] <tzarc> TopherBrink: we've moved on
[15:39] <TopherBrink> i'm considering it but it feels like a waste of time
[15:39] <fALSO> i touched the wound :-P
[15:39] <TopherBrink> you cant educate conspiracy fantasists
[15:40] <TopherBrink> they're just a lost cause
[15:40] <fALSO> is it hurtin that much ?
[15:40] <TopherBrink> i had to try
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[15:40] <TopherBrink> yes the laughing is quite painful now
[15:40] <tzarc> finally, linking the kernel
[15:40] <fALSO> i love the way that you guys are EXPERTS because were fooled by a marketing scam
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I am going to bring out the bahammer if you two don't know it off.
[15:40] <ShiftPlusOne> *knock
[15:41] <TopherBrink> one of us is right, the other is bizarrely immune to reality
[15:41] <TopherBrink> its a thing
[15:41] * tzarc grabs some popcorn.
[15:41] <wjoe> at this point, I don't think anyone really cares which is which :p
[15:41] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[15:41] * fALSO was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
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[15:42] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: JUST LEAVE IT!! You're both right
[15:42] <TopherBrink> i care about truth, its sad but true. ;)
[15:42] <tntexplosivesltd> this has been previously established
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[15:42] <tntexplosivesltd> now be quiet
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[15:44] <Cheery> arghl. the MBR is a mess because of that vicious CHS -thing that isn't true to anything these days. -_-
[15:44] <drazyl> you leave my cylinders alone!
[15:45] * TopherBrink pokes the cylinders
[15:45] <tntexplosivesltd> the cylinders have exploded
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[15:45] <tntexplosivesltd> are you going to pay for new cylinders?
[15:46] <tzarc> lol, I'm an idiot
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[15:46] <tzarc> compiled in the initramfs, but the init wasn't +x
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> Cheery: yeah cylinders and stuff are an annoying concept
[15:46] * tzarc facepalms
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> tzarc: =D
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahaah
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> that is gold
[15:47] <tzarc> :P
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> it's only a small fix
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> lucky for you
[15:48] <Cheery> tntexplosivesltd: the biggest annoyance is that they are 'guessed' somehow. -_-
[15:48] <tzarc> yeah, but it's still dying :P
[15:49] <tntexplosivesltd> Cheery: =(
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[15:51] <tzarc> and initramfs purged and regenerating
[15:51] <tzarc> typical, hadn't updated
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> do the SD cards care significantly about cylinders etc?
[15:54] <tzarc> hmmm
[15:54] <tzarc> dunno, haven't really done much with formatting them
[15:54] <tzarc> still won't boot :S
[15:54] <tzarc> "Attempted to kill init!"
[15:54] <tzarc> lol
[15:55] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:56] * IT_Sean wonders why you don't just use an off the shelf utility ot make your boot card.
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[15:59] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Why just not use parted???? It can take commands from command line: parted /dev/loop2 mkpart logical 0M 100M will make a 100mb boot partition
[15:59] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: curiosity.
[16:00] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: it's not only that I want the result. :)
[16:00] <TopherBrink> watching the 1080P prometheus trailer via openelec... if only it had audio! oh wait, it does. *g*
[16:00] <Caver> :)
[16:00] <Cheery> actually.. it feels like the results would be lot easier to get. but it's fun brain twistfacking to try figure this out
[16:00] <tzarc> TopherBrink: we don't care
[16:00] <TopherBrink> i never said you did
[16:00] <Caver> I do
[16:01] <IT_Sean> TopherBrink: stop trolling & baiting.
[16:01] <TopherBrink> just stating a fact
[16:01] <TopherBrink> theres no baiting intended
[16:01] <tntexplosivesltd> TopherBrink: then why speak =)
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[16:01] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: also it seems this whole thing is horrible and makes me wonder why it's still in use.
[16:01] <TopherBrink> if i wanted to, i'd be clear on that
[16:02] <Cheery> :)
[16:02] <TopherBrink> its clear it would be needed
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[16:02] <Hattara-pilvi> Cheery: Cuz like then Microsoft could not take extra 500$ for a GPT enabled Windows.....
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[16:04] <Cheery> Hattara-pilvi: I feel we have bashed microsoft enough here.. lets forget it entirely now and be happier.
[16:04] <dmsuse> lol
[16:04] <TopherBrink> happiness is a warm pi
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[16:05] <gordon_drogon> not too warm though...
[16:05] <tzarc> they do get fairly warm at 100% cpu
[16:05] <IT_Sean> tell that to danieldaniel
[16:05] <TopherBrink> indeed
[16:05] <Caver> rats I knew I forgot to do something last night
[16:05] * IT_Sean points to the topic
[16:05] <TopherBrink> happiness is not a warm soldering iron
[16:05] <Caver> erk
[16:05] <TopherBrink> in his case
[16:05] <gordon_drogon> so what happened to danieldaniel's pi?
[16:05] <Caver> how did he do that?
[16:06] <IT_Sean> he dropped a hot soldering iron onto it
[16:06] <gordon_drogon> ah. So physical damage.
[16:06] <Hattara-pilvi> One can never bash windows/Microsoft enought ^_^
[16:06] <IT_Sean> spastic soldering accident
[16:06] <TopherBrink> he learned a valuable lesson in soldering
[16:06] <gordon_drogon> I did manage to short a whole bunch of GPIO pins to ground accidentally for a few moments which driving them high...
[16:06] <tntexplosivesltd> /topic Welcome to the unofficial RaspberryPi channel. #raspberrypi, more fun than a spreadsheet, and tastier than chocolate bacon. danieldaniel is officially the first person to kill a raspi, he dropped a soldering iron onto it, making a solder blob. He then turned the pi on
[16:06] <tntexplosivesltd> gogo someone who can change the topic
[16:07] <SBeans> lol
[16:07] <Cheery> tntexplosivesltd: did he forgot the soldering iron on and burn his house as well?
[16:07] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[16:07] <IT_Sean> I think that might be too long. we are bucking up against the length limit.
[16:07] <tntexplosivesltd> aww
[16:07] <IT_Sean> i'll adjust it later... okay?
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I'm in the middle of something right now, at werk.
[16:08] <tntexplosivesltd> Cheery: "I'll just put this over here.... with the rest of the fire"
[16:08] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: okay =D
[16:08] <SBeans> has anybody though about does it blend
[16:08] <SBeans> will it blend
[16:08] <IT_Sean> with a dead one?
[16:08] <TopherBrink> he didnt even try :(
[16:08] <tntexplosivesltd> I bet it would
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I think it would.
[16:08] <gordon_drogon> I'm sure it will, but not going to try!
[16:09] * cjdavis_ is now known as cjdavis
[16:09] <SBeans> with a live one
[16:09] * IT_Sean cannot stand the Will it Blend guy.
[16:09] <SBeans> there is usaully someone who is happy to wait and pay just to smash stuff up
[16:09] <tntexplosivesltd> he's pretty annoying
[16:09] <IT_Sean> he is souch a *********
[16:09] <tntexplosivesltd> esp. for an american XD
[16:09] * tntexplosivesltd ducks
[16:09] <SBeans> like the guy that queued for a Ipad2 and then smashed it outside infron of the queue
[16:09] <IT_Sean> No bashing the yanks in here. Your Op is one, afterall.
[16:10] <tntexplosivesltd> IT_Sean: that's why I ducked =P
[16:10] <gordon_drogon> and other blenders are avalable...
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[16:10] <drazyl> surely we can bash the yanks as long as we allow them to bash us back?
[16:10] <IT_Sean> To be fair, i'm irish. But, seeing as i live in 'Merica, try to keep the USA bashing to a minimum. ;p
[16:10] <drazyl> they are family after all
[16:10] <wjoe> I think they get too offended :(
[16:10] <SBeans> this channel is so cliche I think im going to vomit
[16:11] <tzarc> hmmmm
[16:11] <drazyl> it is?
[16:11] <gordon_drogon> cliche or clique?
[16:11] <tzarc> can't get this initramfs to kick off without panicing
[16:11] <SBeans> point proven really
[16:11] <drazyl> it was?
[16:11] <SBeans> programming language arguments, MS bashing, USA vs UK ...
[16:11] <gordon_drogon> don't use initramfs then.
[16:11] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[16:11] <SBeans> I want to hear about everyones latest projects
[16:12] <SBeans> what there doing with there Pi
[16:12] <drazyl> mine involves waiting patiently
[16:12] <IT_Sean> you came to an IRC channel, expecting on-topic conversation?
[16:12] <gordon_drogon> BASIC and GPIO Wiring ...
[16:12] <Cheery> hm.
[16:12] * IT_Sean laughs
[16:12] <SBeans> to be fair, I didnt expect anything
[16:13] <drazyl> so what are you doing with your Pi SBeans?
[16:13] <Cheery> looks like flash devices would love if you treat them as if they had 1MB pages.
[16:13] <SBeans> and It's defo ok
[16:13] <SBeans> just thought it was worth pointing out
[16:13] <wjoe> we can probably have an argument about something completely pointless if you'd prefer
[16:13] <ReggieUK> my project is similar to drazyl's
[16:13] <ReggieUK> lots of waiting
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> We do have on topic discussions, but, #raspberrypi is as much social club as anything else, so...
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[16:14] <drazyl> yeah, we had an on topic conversation once, it was weird. we were asked to stop
[16:14] <gordon_drogon> yea, I came here today to chat about the hardware floating pint thingy and look what happened...
[16:14] <Cheery> but then.. it'd also make sense to reorder FLASH writes, to lower the wear.
[16:14] <dmsuse> i could do with a pint
[16:14] <drazyl> sounds good
[16:14] <SocksG> was hoping to use my Raspberry Pi to run stupidfilter.org on IRC, but I wasn't sure there would be anything left.
[16:14] <gordon_drogon> SD cards are cheap - why bother...
[16:14] <drazyl> make mine a pint of London Pride
[16:14] <SBeans> 15:13 <+dmsuse> i could do with a pint
[16:14] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: bit early fir a pint, innit?
[16:14] <SBeans> agreed
[16:14] <IT_Sean> it's not even 3.30
[16:15] <drazyl> never too early
[16:15] <wjoe> is it ever?
[16:15] <SBeans> early?
[16:15] <drazyl> sometimes it's too late
[16:15] <SBeans> late?
[16:15] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: :( k i'll wait ;)
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[16:15] <SBeans> time for a pint == time for a english breakfast
[16:15] <drazyl> ooh, full english
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[16:15] * dmsuse drools
[16:15] <gordon_drogon> or scottish?
[16:15] <Guest10701> hi
[16:15] <wjoe> followed by a pint
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[16:15] <SBeans> i.e. time is irrelevant, it's not a time, it;s a way of life; a state of mind!
[16:15] <Caver> whats a full scottish?
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[16:15] <SBeans> *it's
[16:15] <dmsuse> Guest10701: hey :)
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
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[16:16] <TopherBrink> haggis a pie and a pint
[16:16] <drazyl> two pints of special brew
[16:16] <gordon_drogon> the same as a full english, but with haggis, scotch pudding and more.
[16:16] <kevc> Caver: dead fried pizza and a pint
[16:16] <wjoe> oh dear, special brew
[16:16] <kevc> black pudding :)
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> SBeans: usa vs the world
[16:16] <Guest10701> why on earth would you want to eat sheep stomach?
[16:16] <TopherBrink> a deep fried pint at that
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[16:16] <SBeans> tntexplosivesltd: ?
[16:16] <gordon_drogon> because it contains yummy stuff.
[16:16] <Kolin> wtf is a scotch pudding?
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> 02:10 < SBeans> programming language arguments, MS bashing, USA vs UK ...
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> soz
[16:16] <kevc> Guest10701: because it makes the sheeps lungs contained within much nicer
[16:16] <Caver> kevc, deep?
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> delayed
[16:16] <Guest10701> Kolin: Scotch egg maybe
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[16:17] <kevc> Caver: google deep fried pizza
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[16:17] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeew
[16:17] <gordon_drogon> Clootie dumpling
[16:17] <Caver> I know you wrote dead!
[16:17] <drazyl> potato scones
[16:17] <drazyl> mmmmm
[16:17] <IT_Sean> and on that...
[16:17] * Caver has tried deep fried mars bar
[16:17] <gordon_drogon> my very first pizza was deep fried.
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[16:17] <dmsuse> Caver: they're nice :) but sickly :P
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[16:17] <Kolin> gordon_drogon: battered or not?
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[16:17] <gordon_drogon> not battered. just thrown in the frier then fished out a few minutes later.
[16:18] <Guest10701> deep fried mars bars are disgusting, the only thing scotland has done right is iron brew
[16:18] <Kolin> there better battered
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> one of those little frozen mccanns pizzas I think (suspect).
[16:18] <drazyl> and whisky
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> didn't know any better and this was some 35 years ago!
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> It's Irn-Bru ...
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[16:18] <Caver> with real Irn :)
[16:19] <gordon_drogon> made from girders.
[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> gordon_drogon: said that in a scottish accent =P
[16:19] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: I refuse to spell it that way
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[16:19] <Guest10701> I just wish they sold it mcdonalds further south
[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, it's captain Guest =P
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[16:19] <gordon_drogon> I can get Irn Bru in Devon (where I now live)
[16:19] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: In mcdonalds?
[16:19] <Kolin> I got Irn Bru in turkey last week gordon_drogon
[16:19] <gordon_drogon> dunno - never been into a mcdonalds.
[16:19] <drazyl> irn-bru and a scotch pie, that's a breakfast
[16:20] <wjoe> irn bru in mcdonalds? madness
[16:20] <SBeans> gordon_drogon: where abouts in devon?
[16:20] <TopherBrink> mmm irn bru in turkey
[16:20] <Guest10701> you can get iron brew anywhere
[16:20] <TopherBrink> delicious
[16:20] <SBeans> enjoying the floods?
[16:20] <gordon_drogon> ahhhh, scotch pies! Traditionally made with mutton.
[16:20] <Guest10701> wjoe: They do in scotland
[16:20] <wjoe> ah!
[16:20] <gordon_drogon> oddly enough, living in one of the wettest towns in Devon, we've had no floods.
[16:20] <SBeans> take me there now!
[16:20] <SBeans> which town?
[16:20] <ReggieUK> special brew, more commonly known as 'wife beater'
[16:20] <gordon_drogon> Buckfastleigh.
[16:20] <SBeans> awesome
[16:21] <SBeans> I was there on sunday
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[16:21] <SBeans> well, sorta.
[16:21] <gordon_drogon> just over a mile from Buckfast Abbey where they made Bukky tonic ...
[16:21] <SBeans> I kayak, so went up to the river dart
[16:21] <gordon_drogon> a most vile concoction...
[16:21] <Guest10701> ReggieUK: You don't like a bit of spec?
[16:21] <SBeans> as it was at super high fun level
[16:21] <gordon_drogon> ah right. plenry of water this week - is was almost bone dry 2 weeks ago!
[16:21] <ReggieUK> I don't drink alcohol at sall
[16:21] <SBeans> yea, I watch the cams and level alot
[16:21] <ReggieUK> all*
[16:21] <Guest10701> why not
[16:22] <SBeans> its back down to low levels again now
[16:22] <gordon_drogon> it drains quickly.
[16:22] <ReggieUK> because my body and mind just don't appreciate it
[16:22] <gordon_drogon> we have a little river at the bottom of the gardden - it didn't even make it to the bottom step.
[16:22] <SBeans> yea I think its about 6 hours run off from the catchment
[16:22] <Guest10701> your mind is broken then
[16:22] <gordon_drogon> I've seen it over the 2nd step in the past.
[16:22] <Hydrazine> good afternoon
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[16:22] <SBeans> and then maybe holds that for 2 or 3 hours
[16:22] <ReggieUK> alcohol is junk
[16:22] <gordon_drogon> yup. Dartmoor takes weeks of rain to "fill up".
[16:23] <SBeans> also due to the long dry period, the ground is hard and the water jsut runs straight out to sea
[16:23] <SBeans> rather than wetting the moor properly
[16:23] <gordon_drogon> indeed.
[16:23] * Caver lives in sunny berkshire ... only minor flooding and one death so far
[16:23] <Guest10701> That's gotta suck for farmers
[16:23] <Caver> not bad for a drought
[16:24] <Guest10701> somerset ftw
[16:24] <drazyl> yeah, I wish the sun would come back out again so we can call this drought off
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> the farmers here are complainng of the cold more than lack of rain..
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> at least the ones I know.
[16:24] <Guest10701> I love the cold
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> the cold is slowing down the grass, etc.
[16:24] <IT_Sean> I hate cold.
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php
[16:25] <gordon_drogon> not my site, but a few miles away over Dartmoor - it's a nice "window" on the moor.
[16:25] <Guest10701> that's the most boring networked webcam I've ever seen
[16:25] <drazyl> stick to the roads, keep off the moor
[16:25] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: Can you drive out to it and dance infront of the camera for us?
[16:26] <IT_Sean> Boring, yes. But a pretty view.
[16:26] <gordon_drogon> er, no.
[16:26] <esotera> gordon_drogon: are there any more webcams like that over dartmoor?
[16:26] <gordon_drogon> not that I know of.
[16:26] <Guest10701> IT_Sean: Where do you live that you think that's a pretty view?
[16:26] <gordon_drogon> I could probably set one up, but my office looks over a road.
[16:26] <IT_Sean> Guest10701: In a very built up area.
[16:26] <IT_Sean> hell, my office doesn't have a window.
[16:27] <IT_Sean> ANYTHING would be a pretty view at this point.
[16:27] <gordon_drogon> that's somewhat sub optimal.
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[16:27] <IT_Sean> AYe
[16:27] <Guest10701> Maybe they would give you a window if you weren't on irc all day
[16:27] <gordon_drogon> hehe - I just googled for other Darmoor webcams, and the BBC is using that one!
[16:27] <gordon_drogon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/webcams/dartmoor_webcam.shtml
[16:28] <wjoe> the view from here today is like an old PS1 game. very low draw distance
[16:28] <Hydrazine> hehe
[16:28] <Guest10701> wjoe: Be careful it doesn't go all silent hill on you
[16:29] <esotera> just wondering how many there were as i too live on the edge of dartmoor
[16:29] <gordon_drogon> yup - just about every page that google finds is actually using the same webcam image!
[16:29] <Guest10701> this one is good, http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/webcams/barnstaple_webcam.shtml
[16:30] <gordon_drogon> heh testcard cam.
[16:30] <Hydrazine> very nice colours
[16:30] <Hydrazine> I like it :P
[16:30] <Guest10701> good contrast
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[16:30] <gordon_drogon> esotera, which edge of Darmoor?
[16:31] <drazyl> Guest10701 - thats got to be digitally enhanced
[16:31] <esotera> gordon_drogon: north edge, near okehampton
[16:32] <Guest10701> heres an okehampton webcam, http://www.bedandbreakfastdevon.org/bed-and-breakfast/bnbcam.shtml
[16:32] <gordon_drogon> ok.
[16:32] <gordon_drogon> could be anywhere...
[16:33] <Guest10701> lol
[16:33] <gordon_drogon> last time I stuck a webcam out of my window, the neighbours complained.
[16:33] <Guest10701> http://www.trafficengland.com/trafficcamera.aspx?cameraUri=http://public.hanet.org.uk/cctvpublicaccess/html/49566.html
[16:33] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: How big was this webcam?
[16:34] <Guest10701> http://weather.dynalias.org/content/weathercam
[16:34] <Guest10701> It must have been huge for them to notice it
[16:35] <IT_Sean> tell the neighbors to bugger off, then install more webcams
[16:35] <gordon_drogon> it was just a little old panasonic one. Ethernet connected.
[16:35] <Guest10701> IT_Sean: It was probably pointed down to their sunbathing daughter in the garden
[16:35] <gordon_drogon> the road is narrow - one way though.
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[16:36] <gordon_drogon> no gardens on this side.
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Guest10701: as well it should have been
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[16:36] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: You should take the IR filter off
[16:36] <gordon_drogon> not sure I can...
[16:37] <Guest10701> gordon_drogon: http://www.hoagieshouse.com/IR/
[16:37] <gordon_drogon> panasonic BL-c10
[16:37] <gordon_drogon> positively ancient.
[16:37] <SBeans> actually not helpful for a drought, and in some cases makes thing worse
[16:38] <SBeans> http://www.riverdart.co.uk/Kayakers/dartcam.html
[16:38] <Guest10701> SBeans: webcams make things worse?
[16:38] <SBeans> this is the webcam I look at daily
[16:38] <SBeans> sorry I was reading up
[16:39] <SBeans> not about the cam
[16:39] <SBeans> about the "floods"
[16:39] <Guest10701> someone needs to be shot for their choice of fonts
[16:39] <SBeans> idd
[16:39] <Guest10701> Why are all these webcams static images?
[16:39] <SBeans> becuase less data
[16:39] <SBeans> and it's not really important to have a constant update
[16:40] <SBeans> every 15mins is more than enough
[16:40] <IT_Sean> but... at 15 minute intervals... you might miss a sheep wandering by or something! :p
[16:40] <Guest10701> http://www.opentopia.com/webcam/14299?viewmode=livevideo
[16:41] <Guest10701> the refresh rates are quite good at that one
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[16:41] <Guest10701> damn they left
[16:41] <Guest10701> there was a guy taking photos of a couple if you missed it
[16:42] <gordon_drogon> brb phone..
[16:42] <SBeans> IT_Sean: too true
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[16:42] <esotera> http://www.opentopia.com/webcam/7499 that one is quite good
[16:42] <SBeans> on the river one, I have often sat for 5mins by thered board posing for a photo
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[16:43] <Guest10701> that woman is wearing way too much pink
[16:43] <Guest10701> especially for an ivory themed wedding
[16:44] <SBeans> the flooding is kind of ironic, firstly because it's been so dry all the rain runs straight into the rivers, and then into the sea, without getting soaked by the moor, and without finding it's way into important resivours etc, secondly it has flooded some water plants with dirty water so they have to slow down there work, bit of a nightmare really
[16:45] <Guest10701> Well it's summer, it's going to rain whether you want it to or not
[16:45] <SBeans> I want it too
[16:45] <SBeans> Im a kayaker, cant get enough of the rain
[16:46] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, my god
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> it's 2:45
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> am
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> goddamn java assignment
[16:47] <gordon_drogon> ?
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[16:47] <gordon_drogon> Ah. the land of the kiwi.
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah lol
[16:48] <gordon_drogon> I suppose I could make my webcam work, but I realyl can't be boterhed.
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[16:49] <tntexplosivesltd> heh that's kinda creepy
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[16:49] <tntexplosivesltd> why do they even have that?
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[16:51] <gordon_drogon> hm. can't remember its ip address.
[16:52] * IT_Sean used to have a webcam
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[16:52] <Guest99999> we don't want to watch you IT_Sean
[16:53] <IT_Sean> it didn't point at me
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[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> anyone wanna see me get changed?
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[16:53] <IT_Sean> It pointed out a window of my house.
[16:53] <NucWin> unless it would get us a pi by the end of the week
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm sorry
[16:53] <NucWin> will do a lot of things for that
[16:53] <Guest99999> tntexplosivesltd: yes
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> ima go to bed now
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> Guest99999: ;-)
[16:53] <Guest99999> tntexplosivesltd: set up some pay per view
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> I hope you like a skinny white dude
[16:53] <tntexplosivesltd> >.>
[16:54] <Guest99999> yes
[16:54] <Guest99999> do it
[16:54] <tntexplosivesltd> aaaaand then it wemt no further
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[16:54] <Guest99999> and we can get ukscone to stick a link in the welcome message
[16:54] <tntexplosivesltd> because this is #raspberrypi
[16:55] <IT_Sean> keeep it clean, gents.
[16:55] <tntexplosivesltd> yup, I'm off
[16:55] <Guest99999> #raspberrypi, the place where people go to discuss tntexplosivesltd's undressing style
[16:55] <tntexplosivesltd> night all
[16:55] <tzarc> hmmmmm why is busybox's sh crashing :S
[16:55] <Guest99999> IT_Sean: Keep it clean???? wtf?
[16:56] <tzarc> it works fine as the /init, but a subsequent exec /bin/sh makes the thing go bye bye
[16:56] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[16:56] * tzarc grumbles
[16:56] <tntexplosivesltd> any messages?
[16:56] <tzarc> just a panic saying it attempted to kill init
[16:56] <tzarc> i.e. the main proc has died
[16:56] <Guest99999> add -h
[16:56] <gordon_drogon> now how long an Ethernet lead do I have.
[16:56] <tzarc> if I put a while(1) sleep, it works
[16:56] <tzarc> as in
[16:56] <tzarc> doesn't crash
[16:56] <tzarc> still busybox sleep
[16:56] <tzarc> but doesn't bitch
[16:57] <tzarc> I've got this feeling it's because sh can't attach to the console
[16:57] <tzarc> but I've done the mknod
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> hmmmmmmm
[16:57] <tzarc> so I dunno
[16:57] <tzarc> echo doesn't do shit
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> what's set in your inittab?
[16:57] <tzarc> so I figure it's not setting up stuff
[16:57] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: 3 inches
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[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> wait, is it X
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> or are you just in a tty?
[16:57] <tzarc> no, this is part of an initramfs
[16:58] <tntexplosivesltd> oh
[16:58] <tntexplosivesltd> that's way early
[16:58] <tzarc> yar
[16:58] <Guest99999> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuuUR515xDM
[16:58] <tzarc> mmmm
[17:00] <tzarc> maybe I should turn on the kernel-controlled /dev option
[17:01] <tzarc> might narrow down if it's missing dev nodes
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[17:03] <tzarc> well
[17:04] <tzarc> if I do an exec switch_root to the normal partition
[17:04] <tzarc> it boots into linux
[17:04] <gordon_drogon> http://watertower.drogon.net:8080/
[17:04] <tzarc> so yeah
[17:04] <tzarc> something to do with the sh
[17:05] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: Doesn't work for me
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> hm.
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> http://81.31.100.105:8080/
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> see if that works.
[17:07] <TopherBrink> whee
[17:07] <TopherBrink> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-raspberry-pi-review
[17:07] <Cheery> found a funny thing
[17:07] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: nope
[17:07] <Cheery> in CHS field of debian image.. there's value: 03 E0 FF
[17:07] <Cheery> in every field.
[17:07] <Cheery> so likely it's ignored. :)
[17:07] <jmontleon> has anyone see messages on the console of their rpi: mmc0: not - long write sync ?
[17:07] <Guest99999> TopherBrink: First sentence is wrong
[17:07] <jmontleon> seem to be getting a lot of those
[17:08] <gordon_drogon> ok, try now. firewall fiddling.
[17:08] <Guest99999> It's a ??30 computer not ??20
[17:08] <gordon_drogon> just over ?20 ...
[17:08] <TopherBrink> i apologise for what eurogamer wrote..?
[17:08] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: The sentence above that
[17:09] <Guest99999> "Digital Foundry picks apart the ??20 computer that's the size of a credit card. Could this be a revolution in cheap computing?"
[17:09] <gordon_drogon> let me get my phone so I can try it out of band.
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[17:11] <gordon_drogon> yea, this now works - http://81.31.100.105:8080/
[17:11] <gordon_drogon> click on single.
[17:11] <IT_Sean> SFW?
[17:12] <Guest99999> cool
[17:12] <gordon_drogon> ooh someones moving it :)
[17:12] <Guest99999> IT_Sean: no, there are tits
[17:12] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: ME
[17:12] <gordon_drogon> well there you go - webcam on the edge of dartmoor that can't actually see much of dartmoor itself.
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[17:14] <TopherBrink> hey apparently eurogamer are now in on the 1080p conspiracy too
[17:14] <mkopack> 'sup gang?
[17:14] <IT_Sean> i see a roof
[17:15] <Guest99999> hi mko
[17:15] <IT_Sean> ahoy, mo
[17:16] <IT_Sean> *mko
[17:16] <gordon_drogon> push the arrow buttons and move the camera ...
[17:16] <IT_Sean> ahhhh
[17:16] <IT_Sean> kinky
[17:16] <gordon_drogon> now you see another roof :)
[17:16] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:16] <gordon_drogon> or 2 people fighing over the controls :)
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[17:17] <IT_Sean> I'm not on it
[17:17] <Guest99999> we need to do some csi analysis on the windows opposite
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[17:17] <Guest99999> I think I see a dead body in the shed
[17:18] <Hydrazine> zoom in!
[17:18] <IT_Sean> That's normal for England.
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Everyone keeps a corpse or two around.
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[17:18] <gordon_drogon> I think I need more bandwidth.
[17:18] <Guest99999> I don't think you can zoom in
[17:18] <gordon_drogon> no zoom, sorry - it was a cheap camera...
[17:18] <gordon_drogon> your lucky to get pan/tilit!
[17:19] <IT_Sean> but it's got pan/tilt!
[17:19] <IT_Sean> I wish mine had that.
[17:19] <Hydrazine> its awesome
[17:19] <gordon_drogon> actually it's very old now - 4-5 years old?
[17:19] <gordon_drogon> I think I paid about 74 quid for it back then.
[17:19] <Hydrazine> interesting roof
[17:19] <Hydrazine> looks like wood
[17:19] <gordon_drogon> that's the window sill...
[17:19] <Guest99999> :D
[17:19] <Hydrazine> ow lol
[17:20] <gordon_drogon> which is wood.
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[17:20] <gordon_drogon> now looking at the barn on the side of the house.
[17:20] <Hydrazine> ah, now i see
[17:20] <gordon_drogon> that's my kitchen & upstrairs loft.
[17:20] <Guest99999> I wish it could do 360
[17:20] <gordon_drogon> sorry...
[17:20] <Hydrazine> same :P
[17:21] <gordon_drogon> I think my wife would be glad it cant as it's in her office :)
[17:21] <Hydrazine> this thing is brilliant
[17:21] <Guest99999> is she there now?
[17:21] <gordon_drogon> no
[17:21] <Guest99999> does the motor make a lot of noise?
[17:21] <gordon_drogon> I think she'd be a bit upset if she saw the additional wires over the floor to get power and network ...
[17:21] <gordon_drogon> it grinds a little.
[17:22] <gordon_drogon> the camera is actually ourside the window too, so I'll need to bring it in if it rains.
[17:22] <Guest99999> oh wow I didn't realise you could click to cente
[17:22] <Guest99999> *centre
[17:22] <Hydrazine> fancy
[17:22] <gordon_drogon> that's the woodpile.
[17:22] <gordon_drogon> full of an old eucalyptus tree..
[17:23] <gordon_drogon> well half full.
[17:23] <Guest99999> I want a cat to come striding along that wall
[17:24] <gordon_drogon> I don't.
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[17:24] <gordon_drogon> I have the luxury of this in my office:
[17:24] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
[17:25] <gordon_drogon> ther's at least 4 people viewing it - output b/w is about 500Kb/sec... still got some left (830 max)
[17:25] <fALSO> very nice
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[17:25] <fALSO> i tought only portuguese liked chestnuts
[17:25] <fALSO> :-P
[17:26] <gordon_drogon> nice for elevenses on a winter morning ..
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[17:27] <gordon_drogon> wel that was a little diversion.
[17:28] <Guest99999> its all over the place now
[17:28] * Kolin isnt randomly pressing preset buttons
[17:28] <gordon_drogon> someones pushing the move buttons :)
[17:29] <gordon_drogon> I've not setup the presets.
[17:29] <Kolin> they seem to be pointing at random locations
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[17:29] <Guest99999> my favourite spot was the windowsill
[17:30] <gordon_drogon> lets see if I can set them up.
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[17:34] <Guest99999> mkopack: how's your sheevaplug webcam doing?
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[17:35] <gordon_drogon> ok preset 4 will take you to the windowsill :)
[17:35] <gordon_drogon> I've programmed 1, 2 and 3 too
[17:37] <mkopack> Guest99999: fine??? Haven't really messed with it in a while.
[17:37] <mkopack> Been rather busy with work and school
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[17:46] <gordon_drogon> few people out there...
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[17:51] <mpthompson> There are people out here...
[17:51] <gordon_drogon> there are.
[17:52] <gordon_drogon> ah, mpthompson he of the debian hard float fame!
[17:54] <mpthompson> That's me. Chugging away on packages right now.
[17:54] <gordon_drogon> well done.
[17:55] <gordon_drogon> I wish I had time & resources to help, but I was a bit busy a few weeks ago when things started to gather pace.
[17:55] <Guest99999> gordon_drogon: any motion sensing functionality?
[17:56] <gordon_drogon> I did run it up this morning though - was unable to compile my own project with it due to missing libraries - I'm sure they'll come.
[17:56] <mpthompson> No problem. I'm keeping the circle of people helping very small just to keep things manageable and moving along.
[17:56] <gordon_drogon> Yes, it has a sensor - push the "sensor" button.
[17:56] <gordon_drogon> it's crude though.
[17:56] <Guest99999> You could catch the neighbours getting the paper
[17:56] <gordon_drogon> it's mostly used to start the capture to FTP/email.
[17:56] <mpthompson> Yeah, the repository looks like swiss cheese right now. Lots of holes to be filled in over the coming weeks.
[17:56] <gordon_drogon> as soon as the SDL libraries are done I'll be there :)
[17:57] <gordon_drogon> am I right in thinking Debian needs to be compiled natively rather than cross compiled?
[17:57] <mpthompson> They'll be showing up sometime. We have just over 10,000 packages to go. About 7000 have been completed so far.
[17:57] * gordon_drogon nods.
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[17:58] <mpthompson> Yes, we are compiling natively on ARM devices. Debian is well suited for cross-compiling packages. At least as far as I can tell.
[17:59] <Kolin> < mpthompson> That's me. Chugging away on packages right now.
[17:59] <Kolin> ha
[17:59] <gordon_drogon> :)
[17:59] <Kolin> and i thought this was supposed to be a clean channel
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[17:59] <[TH]exfileme> lol
[17:59] <mpthompson> Very funny guys...
[18:00] <mpthompson> Sorry, the packages I'm chugging away on, you would not find interesting.
[18:00] <Veryevil> mpthompson: good to see you on IRC
[18:00] <gordon_drogon> I'd find ssh/rsync/sdl intersting :)
[18:01] <mpthompson> I actually lurk a lot here, but too busy to participate much.
[18:01] <Veryevil> Should be getting my second PI any day now
[18:01] <[TH]exfileme> i lurk too
[18:01] <gordon_drogon> I only joined in this morning - mostly because of the hard fp stuff!
[18:02] <mpthompson> Does SDL work fine under armel? That's the direct access to the frame buffer. Correct?
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> I did find out that I can compile stuff to use hard fp under the existing debian though, so hard fp with the soft api (or whatever it's called)
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> Yes, SDL works fine - direct and under X
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> although it's slow as there is no 2D accelleration.
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[18:03] <mpthompson> Yeah, hard fp using the soft fp abi would have been the backup plan. Fortunately, we didn't need to go that less optimal route.
[18:03] <gordon_drogon> my 'benchmark' went from 35 seconds down to 31 seconds... so not brilliant, however.
[18:04] <mpthompson> Did the benchmark just include integer calculations?
[18:04] <gordon_drogon> it's a bit contived - it's my BASIC interpreter plotting mandelbrots.
[18:04] <gordon_drogon> So half the time is spent interpreting the program and half doing floating pint.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> ...
[18:05] * SpeedEvil ponders basic with a JIT engine
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> JIT to native ARM?
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> it's probably not that hard (relatively speaking)
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> I suppose you could abuse one of the JS engines
[18:06] <mpthompson> Yeah, that will be an issue. Armhf is really not going to buy much at all with regards to the interpretting side of things. You really won't notice improvments until you can get something with a large percentage of floating point operations.
[18:06] <gordon_drogon> I already tokenise heavilly and build u pa symbol table of constants and variables.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> Actually - basic to JS'd be pretty trivial
[18:06] <gordon_drogon> I may code a native mandelbrot using C and SDL.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> and you could rip out all of the DOM stuff
[18:06] <gordon_drogon> DOM?
[18:06] <huene> document object model
[18:06] <huene> iirc
[18:07] <gordon_drogon> not something I'm familair with.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> It's all of the 'page/browser' related bits of javascript
[18:07] <gordon_drogon> ah, ok. I try not to touch that stuff :)
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[18:09] <mpthompson> I'm interested in teaching my son game programming and I've been playing around with the Gosu library. Pretty good stuff. It's 2D, but uses OpenGL or OpenGL ES to accelerate 2D graphics.
[18:09] <mkopack> Nothing wrong with 2D gaming??? most of what we ran in the 80's was 2D???
[18:09] <mkopack> And those games were FUN
[18:09] <mpthompson> I'm using it under Ruby which kills performance a bit there, but there are C/C++ access as well.
[18:10] <mkopack> more about gameplay, less about glitzy graphics
[18:10] <mpthompson> Agreed.
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[18:10] <ReggieUK> I think old arcade games are a great way to show kids about gameplay vs glitz
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[18:11] <gordon_drogon> sure.
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[18:11] <mpthompson> One of the things that kills kids interests is looking at a modern game and not even understanding where they can even begin to create such a thing.
[18:11] <gordon_drogon> I have a tame 6 year old (of a friend!) who's very keen, so I'm going to show him some BASIC stuff and see how h gets on.
[18:11] <Davespice> ReggieUK: yeah I agree there
[18:12] <mpthompson> For the most part, those games have production teams that rival blockbuster movies.
[18:12] <ReggieUK> you've really got to go back to the basics to teach them properly I think
[18:12] <gordon_drogon> its' funny - 35 years ago, space invaders was really cool, yet today, they're knocked out as a simple programming excercise
[18:12] <ReggieUK> indeed but the game is still cool and still infuriatingly hard despite the lack of things that you've actually got to do in the game
[18:13] <gordon_drogon> I worked for a small games co. some 14 years ago.. We had 5 programmers, 5 artists and a full-time producer.
[18:13] <ReggieUK> shoot or don't shoot, choice is yours :D
[18:13] <mpthompson> I believe it's really necessary to show kids what can be done that is fun on a much simpler level.
[18:13] <gordon_drogon> I met the guy behind Fignition last weekend.
[18:13] <Guest99999> bullshit, each generation has their nostalgia games, and what you found entertaining wouldn't have the same impact.
[18:13] <hotwings> morning.. any worthy rpi news today?
[18:13] <TopherBrink> i might clone donkey kong in some manner that involves hammering apple products and/or fans
[18:13] <gordon_drogon> amazing - he's basically re-made an 8-bit micro with video out from an atmel chip.
[18:13] <Guest99999> hotwings: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-raspberry-pi-review
[18:14] <Davespice> yeah, when I was in school I wrote a track and field button basher game - where you just raced two cursors from left to right on the screen - we played it for HOURS, and killed about 4 keyboards in one afternoon :) whoops...
[18:14] <gordon_drogon> and then, as a bit of an excercise, I wrote a BASIC interpreter a few months ago. just goes to show!
[18:14] <gordon_drogon> (although I'm not sure what it shows - probably that I'm a muppet :)
[18:15] <hotwings> Guest99999 - read that a little earlier actually. about what i'd guess at this point :)
[18:15] <gordon_drogon> work calls and I have to visit a client now. laters!
[18:16] <mpthompson> Bye...
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[18:23] <Davespice> guys, talking about old games...
[18:23] <Davespice> anyone remember X-moto? it's like a 2D stunt bike game
[18:23] <Davespice> I remember this causing a lot of homework to not get done when I was doing my BTEC
[18:24] <Davespice> http://xmoto.sourceforge.net/ - wondering how well it would run on the Pi, not bad I'd wager if ported to use Open GL/ES
[18:24] <Davespice> looks like they've improved the graphics a lot
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[18:30] * RaTTuS|BIG goes home to see if it has arrived yet ....
[18:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> l8r all
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[18:47] * IT_Sean peeks in
[18:47] <Hydrazine> ohai
[18:47] * Guest99999 slams the door on IT_Sean pecker
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[18:48] * IT_Sean kicks Guest99999 in the face
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Don't be a dick.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> So... What's going on?
[18:49] <Guest99999> pecker is nose you douche
[18:49] <Guest99999> IT_Sean: and Language!
[18:50] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[18:50] <IT_Sean> and you watch yours as well.
[18:50] <Guest99999> hypocrite
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[18:54] <jzaw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecker
[18:55] <dmsuse> hmm
[18:55] <jzaw> mind you Guest99999 you then go on to use an americanism
[18:55] <Guest99999> jzaw: My country is very much americanised
[18:56] <dmsuse> not true, or you would have used a z in that sentence isntead of an s :P
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[19:11] <Hopsy> 50 min left!
[19:11] <Hopsy> yeaah
[19:12] <zleap> till when ?
[19:12] <kevc> ebay?
[19:12] <Hopsy> samsung galaxy s3!!!!!!!!!
[19:12] <zleap> ah
[19:13] <Hexxeh> has anyone tried android on raspi yet?
[19:13] <Hexxeh> if not i'll have a stab at it today
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[19:19] <IT_Sean> I'm genuinely curious... why would you want 'droid on a 'berry?
[19:20] <Hexxeh> i wouldn't
[19:20] <PiKeY> why not is more the question
[19:20] <Hexxeh> but i can't see getting it running at a basic level being diffcult
[19:20] <Hexxeh> *difficult
[19:20] <PiKeY> sounds like a challenge
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> Angry Pis.
[19:20] <Hexxeh> that's true, it's ARM based, so all the market apps should work fine
[19:21] * Hexxeh grabs a brew whilst AOSP downloads
[19:21] <IT_Sean> I mean, it'd be neat, i guess, but it'd also be a lot less flexable than other OSes
[19:21] * SpeedEvil is currently avoiding looking at walkthroughs for the last two levels of Angry Birds space.
[19:21] <Hexxeh> actually, until we get accelerated X, it might actually be a better option
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> - to ***
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[19:21] <Hexxeh> getting graphical acceleration in android is arguably easier than getting it with X
[19:21] <IT_Sean> true
[19:22] <IT_Sean> but othe than running 'droid marketplace apps, how "open" is it?
[19:22] <zgreg_> android?
[19:22] <IT_Sean> yah
[19:22] <zgreg_> it's arguably more free than linux, depending on who you ask
[19:23] <IT_Sean> huh. Okay. Cool.
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[19:23] <Hexxeh> and writing the appropriate graphics stuff is probably more like a day or two's work, rather than an eternity for X :D
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> There are major issues with android.
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> It's basically not linux from a application developers point of view.
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[19:25] <zgreg_> I don't see why that is an issue
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> It fragments any efforts to develop cross-platform software.
[19:26] <zgreg_> and, the desktop linux stack is not "the linux"
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> No, of course it's not.
[19:26] <zgreg_> there is no standard linux userland stack, simple as that
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> To a degree.
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> But android is waaaaay over on its own.
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[19:33] <Hexxeh> i love being able to download the entire aosp source in the time it takes to brew up
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[19:39] <NucWin> Hexxeh there isnt time to talk on here.... you will be allowed out or to sleep when ottd has hardware acceleration :P
[19:40] <Hexxeh> NucWin: I had a toy around with it, didn't have much luck tbh
[19:40] <NucWin> :'(
[19:40] <Hexxeh> and sound works well enough with ALSA, so i think i'll leave Davespice to work with that
[19:41] <Hexxeh> isn't there an android version of openttd? :P
[19:41] <hotwings> speaking of hw accel.. anyone know where the progress stands for hw accel the os?
[19:41] <Davespice> Hexxeh: pardon? whats this?
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[19:41] <hotwings> Davespice - its your job to make sound work. chop chop!
[19:41] <NucWin> ooooh there might be a android version really hard to play on such small screen though
[19:41] <Davespice> *blank look* what with Quake3?
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[19:42] <Hexxeh> Davespice: TTD
[19:42] <NucWin> never really looked at the code for openttd seems to run quite fast and stable in windows though
[19:42] <Hexxeh> NucWin: I'm talking about Android on RasPi
[19:42] <NucWin> if SimCity 4 got a rewriting the same way it would be awesome
[19:42] <Hexxeh> also, note to self, working with android is much less painful when you install ccache
[19:42] <Davespice> ah yeah, the sound worked first time on that, I didn't need to do anything
[19:42] <NucWin> has someone attemted android on pi yet?
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[19:43] <mkopack> Hmmm??? OpenCiv? :)
[19:43] <Hexxeh> working on it NucWin
[19:43] <NucWin> nice <3
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[19:43] <Hexxeh> got android 4.0.4 compiling at the moment
[19:43] <hotwings> i dont honestly see the interest in running andoird on an rpi. not sure what people think theyre going to get but its probably not what theyre expecting. unless theyre just expecting to screw around :)
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[19:43] <Hexxeh> hotwings: it'll be better than linux, until linux gets accelerated X
[19:44] <NucWin> really annoying ive got a few more weeks of doing nothing in the day till work starts properly again and no pi to keep me occupied
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> NucWin: when did you order?
[19:44] <hotwings> NucWin - play with an rpi image in vmware?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> not the same
[19:45] <hotwings> of course not, but its better than nothing
[19:45] <NucWin> well little complicated i registered with rs on release day evening but think my friend registered with farnell before me
[19:45] <hotwings> if youre experiencing massive rpi-impatience
[19:45] <NucWin> and he got link to page for credit card info so i tried ordering but didnt get an order number like everyone else
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[19:46] <NucWin> got an email from farnell a few days ago saying 2-3 months cant remember which
[19:47] <IT_Sean> ick
[19:47] <IT_Sean> bummer
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[19:47] <mkopack> Yay, just got another "nothing new news" message from RS???.
[19:47] <mkopack> 4K more being shipped out from RS next week
[19:47] <NucWin> little annoyed they took a kinda pre order without giving reasonably accurate date
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> Yeah, if you ordered by getting the link without being invited, i would imagine you got bumped to the back of the queue
[19:47] <NucWin> now i dunno when they are gonna supprise take the money from my account
[19:48] <IT_Sean> They will take your money when it ships.
[19:48] <NucWin> i used the link in my friends email
[19:48] <IT_Sean> And you can't critisize them when you circumvented the system they put in place to prevent that issue
[19:48] <NucWin> was close to setting off my scam alarm but did a few checks first and seemed very legit
[19:49] <IT_Sean> My point is, they invited your friend to order because they had a raspi for him. They didn't invite you because they didn't have one for you.
[19:49] <NucWin> i was awake at 5.55am till about 6:15 trying to get early but no websites where working and i fell back asleep
[19:49] <IT_Sean> So, by circumventing their system, you placed an order for something they didn't have, hense the invite system
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[19:49] <NucWin> but he got same thing
[19:50] <IT_Sean> I'm just saying, that is why they took a "preorder"
[19:50] <Davespice> If anyone is interested this is the dev disccusion I have started off with some of the OpenTDD devs; http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=59671 (I've been getting a misscompilation problem of a certain line in the source)
[19:50] <NucWin> it wasnt an invite to order i think
[19:50] * IT_Sean just walks away
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[19:50] <NucWin> was just them collecting credit cards details and no doubt emailing htem from webbie to an account on their mail server the saving in a spead sheet just waiting for a hack
[19:50] <Hexxeh> anyone know of the cheapest way to get a serial console out of the pi?
[19:51] <mkopack> USb->Serial adaptor
[19:51] <IT_Sean> USB ser adapter
[19:51] <IT_Sean> damn. ninja'd
[19:51] <Davespice> Hexxeh: I did see something about this on the elinux site...
[19:51] <mkopack> anything else will require some wiring and possibly a chip or two
[19:51] <Hexxeh> cheap place to get one in the UK?
[19:51] <mkopack> IT_Sean: Your Fu is weak! ;)
[19:51] <IT_Sean> fleebay, or amazon
[19:52] * IT_Sean shows mkopack his fu
[19:52] <IT_Sean> (wait, no... that sounded skeevy)
[19:52] <mkopack> LOL
[19:52] <Hexxeh> i have an arduino, i could fashion one out of that i guess
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[19:52] <mkopack> I wish my waitress Paulina would show me HER Fu ;)
[19:52] <NucWin> im still up for a pi in parts to see if its possible to bake one (melt surface mount solder in oven)
[19:52] <Mephisto__> Hello! I'm a software engineer working in embedded field and I've discovered about the raspberry pi recently, I really liked the idea and discussed it with my boss, I'd like to know if there is a possible way to contribute in hardware/software development, any help? thanks
[19:52] <mkopack> Damn if she didn't have a boyfriend I'd TOTALLY propose to her right now :)
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[19:53] <SpeedEvil> Hardware development - making add-ons you mean?
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[19:53] <SpeedEvil> NucWin: me too!
[19:53] <mkopack> Mephisto__: It's linux dev??? Have at! Hardware is done??? If you want to do stuff related to add on boards for the expansion port, go for it!
[19:53] <Hydrazine> Mephisto__: any experience in writing low level linux drivers?
[19:53] <Hexxeh> Mephisto__: write us an X driver? :P
[19:53] <Hydrazine> xD
[19:53] <Hydrazine> that would be awesome
[19:53] <Mephisto__> for example yes
[19:53] <Davespice> Hexxeh: http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Serial_connection
[19:54] <Mephisto__> Hexxeh, now that's an embrassing question haha
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[19:54] <Mephisto__> well I'm learning about it throughout my actual project
[19:55] <Mephisto__> an X driver? Hexxeh haha w
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[19:56] <Davespice> there has been talking about doing something like kickstarter to get some cash together to fund the work of developing an X driver
[19:57] <Mephisto__> I did a bit of serial programming a while back
[19:57] <Mephisto__> but the X driver is interesting :)
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[19:58] <mkopack> Damn, I need to go to a Braves game this summer
[20:00] <Hopsy> last 30 seconds!!
[20:00] <Hopsy> http://www.samsunggalaxys3.net/
[20:00] <Hopsy> everyone!
[20:01] <Hopsy> 20 seconds :O
[20:01] <Hopsy> website is offline
[20:01] <Hopsy> yeah!
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[20:02] <Hopsy> http://www.thenextgalaxy.com/
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[20:09] <mervaka> woop
[20:09] <mervaka> my pi's in the post :)
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:10] <fimbulvinter> mervaka: lucky guy :))
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[20:10] <Hydrazine> mervaka: grats
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[20:14] <markus__> my pi's in the pipe. i hope
[20:14] <markus__> weep
[20:16] <Hydrazine> is it possible for drivers to acces the dma's of the Rpi?
[20:16] <Hydrazine> as in request a dma, not just taking it by force
[20:17] <Hydrazine> or do we need some kind of kernel module written for that?
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[20:17] <SpeedEvil> you need a kernel module to do DMA, yes.
[20:17] <Hydrazine> awww
[20:18] <Hydrazine> but do we have one for the rpi?
[20:18] <mervaka> that would be awesome :)
[20:18] <mervaka> i need to cut my DMA teeth.
[20:18] <Hydrazine> would be great for spi and other pheripherals
[20:18] <mervaka> ya
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Of course various things use DMA
[20:18] <mervaka> well, it would be 99% for SPI
[20:19] <mervaka> i'd imagine
[20:19] <Hydrazine> I2S would profit too, if we had the pins :P
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> The question is - is there enough data in the datasheet to implement ift for peripherals that it's not enabled for
[20:19] <mervaka> meh
[20:19] <mervaka> i'd love i2s
[20:19] <mervaka> spi will have to do
[20:19] <Hydrazine> how hard would it be to hack spi to i2s
[20:20] <mervaka> easier to just spec spi
[20:20] <mervaka> surely
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> Different busses
[20:20] <mervaka> yeah but
[20:20] <Hydrazine> yeah, but the idea is the same
[20:20] <mervaka> i mean, dont hack it, just use spi
[20:20] <Hydrazine> hehe
[20:20] <Thorn__> yeah but no but
[20:20] <Hydrazine> okay I get it
[20:20] <mervaka> wha'eva
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[20:21] <mervaka> :p
[20:21] <mervaka> plenty of adcs and dacs out there that do both
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[20:21] <Hydrazine> yeah, would be awesome if we could build some kind of high quality audio out
[20:22] <mervaka> just have to specify the endianness
[20:22] <Hydrazine> "here have this 200$ audio module for your 35$ computer"
[20:22] <mervaka> tbh, i'm in the middle of a project that uses 8x8 audio
[20:22] <mervaka> debating how useful rpi would be here
[20:23] <mervaka> can tdm all the audio into one pipe in and out
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[20:23] <mervaka> using two quad adcs
[20:23] <mervaka> and two quad dacs
[20:23] <Hydrazine> nice
[20:24] <mervaka> pcm4104 and pcm4204
[20:24] <mervaka> i think
[20:24] <mervaka> and fronting the adcs with pga2500s
[20:24] <hotwings> Hydrazine - the rpi already has a high quality audio out via hdmi
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[20:24] <mervaka> he means analogue
[20:24] <mervaka> currently i think it's done using PWM
[20:24] <mervaka> hax :(
[20:25] <hotwings> good analog converters will cost you far more than the rpi itself
[20:25] <mervaka> well of course
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[20:25] <mervaka> about the same
[20:25] <mervaka> each
[20:25] <mervaka> and good pcb design is also a must
[20:25] <Hydrazine> uhuh
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[20:25] <mervaka> separate analogue/digital grounds
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[20:26] <Hydrazine> <- electrical engineer ;)
[20:26] * mervaka is just a student ;/
[20:26] <Hydrazine> okay, 3rd year bachelor
[20:26] <mervaka> yeah, same
[20:26] <hotwings> <- 20+ years in pro audio/video production ;)
[20:26] * Hydrazine bows
[20:27] <mervaka> heh
[20:27] <mervaka> i've got 6 years in live audio..
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[20:27] <hotwings> that can be fun or horrid, YMMY :)
[20:27] <mervaka> speaking of which, i need to shoot off and prep for tomorrow
[20:27] <mervaka> cramming big productions into 16ch desks is always fun
[20:28] <mervaka> :p
[20:28] <Hydrazine> good luck and see ya later
[20:28] <mervaka> haha
[20:28] <mervaka> yeah. cheers x
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[20:28] <hotwings> yeah, see you mervaka
[20:28] <hotwings> i should get to my emails myself. today is one of those days im trying to ignore them as long as possible :\
[20:28] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[20:45] <Hexxeh> another plus for android is the fact that there are flash binaries for android armv6
[20:45] <mkopack> That's a plus??? EEEw
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[20:46] <IT_Sean> That isn't a plus, dude.
[20:46] <Hexxeh> for some people it will be
[20:46] <IT_Sean> flash is practically a virus, in my book.
[20:46] <Hexxeh> i don't like flash either, but some folks will want to use it
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[20:47] <gordon_drogon> hi
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[20:49] <Hydrazine> ohai
[20:50] <mkopack> +1 IT_Sean
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> ?
[20:50] <IT_Sean> ah. yes.
[20:51] <Hexxeh> hmm
[20:51] <Hexxeh> when using an initrd with the raspberry pi, where exactly does it go?
[20:51] <Hexxeh> does it have to be baked into the kernel image itself?
[20:51] <Hexxeh> since there's no obvious way to specify a separate file
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> Intirds are on the end of the kernel
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> (Or on a seperate floppy)
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[20:56] <Hexxeh> has anyone actually tried it
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> initrds are on the end of the kernel, and loaded by the bootloader
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> that's just how it works
[20:59] <hotwings> $ find /boot -name *3.3.4*
[20:59] <hotwings> /boot/config-3.3.4.build.20120501.1
[20:59] <hotwings> /boot/System.map-3.3.4.build.20120501.1
[20:59] <hotwings> /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.4.build.20120501.1
[20:59] <hotwings> /boot/initrd.img-3.3.4.build.20120501.1
[20:59] <hotwings> thats on debian testing
[21:00] <Hexxeh> SpeedEvil: every time i've seen an initrd, it's been a separate file
[21:00] <gordon_drogon> I'm not a fan of initrds on smaller systems, but...
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[21:00] <Guest91121> hi
[21:00] <hotwings> if you dont _need_ initrd, theres no reason to use it imo
[21:00] <WASDx> hello Guest91121
[21:00] <markus__> hello dear Guest91121
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[21:00] <Hexxeh> i was thinking for android's special initrd
[21:01] <Hexxeh> actually, i say special, but i don't think it does anything unusual
[21:01] <Guest91121> http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/2012/05/01/open-transport-tycoon/
[21:01] <Cheery> oh. could try that
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: The bootloader needs to know where to find it and put it in RAM
[21:02] <SimonT> Hexxeh: are you looking into getting android to work on the Pi?
[21:02] <Hexxeh> SimonT: yeah
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> Hexxeh: It doesn't actually have to be contiguous with the kernel
[21:03] <SimonT> Hexxeh: Cool, what would you do for a touch screen?
[21:03] <Hexxeh> SimonT: you don't need one, you can use mouse/keyboard
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[21:03] <SimonT> Ah ok, I hadn't considered that.
[21:04] <gordon_drogon> there seems to be a lot of negativness on the pi forums about alternatives like android...
[21:04] <Cheery> I'm sort of sad that some ppl thought I was insulting when I told feedback. :/
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[21:05] <Cheery> hoping my response straightened it out.
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[21:05] <Guest91121> gordon_drogon: meego fanboys
[21:06] * plugwash gets annoyed with samba
[21:06] <SimonT> Cheery: with regard to what?
[21:06] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/raspi-space-invader-pdf-and-source-code
[21:06] <gordon_drogon> meego, meamo, android - they're all fine if you like them.
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[21:07] <gordon_drogon> I have the original nokia n770 and the n900... shame the n900 didn't really take off.
[21:07] <Cheery> there's another thing I'm a bit sad about.
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[21:07] <Guest91121> gordon_drogon: I think the neckbeards on the forums are going to scoff at anything with an interface
[21:07] <gordon_drogon> heh..
[21:08] <gordon_drogon> to each their own.
[21:08] <Cheery> many of example games don't have music in them.
[21:08] <gordon_drogon> I mean, look at me - I wrote BASIC :)
[21:08] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: did you?
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[21:08] <gordon_drogon> Actually, I've been challenged to write an invaders game in my BASIC, but I have to implemented 2D sprites first...
[21:08] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: can you show me?
[21:08] <gordon_drogon> have you got a Pi, or x86 Linux box?
[21:09] <Cheery> of course I do have linux.
[21:09] <Cheery> not pi yet though.
[21:09] <gordon_drogon> I only have Linux binaries right now I'm afraid.
[21:09] <gordon_drogon> ok. hang on.
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[21:09] <Cheery> throw in the source code as well. ^^
[21:10] <jeroenh> gah, I went out of my way and got the best performing SD card for my RPi, it shows up today and it doesn't work in the RPi
[21:10] <jeroenh> This is the SanDisk Extreme 8Gb
[21:10] <gordon_drogon> wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/rtb
[21:10] <gordon_drogon> chmod +x rtb
[21:10] <gordon_drogon> ./rtb
[21:11] <Hydrazine> jeroenh: let me guess, class 10?
[21:11] <gordon_drogon> Once I've finished tidying up the source & making sure all the headers, etc. have the GPL heading in it I'll be publishing it.
[21:11] <Guest91121> jeroenh: did you check the compatibility list?
[21:11] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: publish it now please. at least for me.
[21:11] <gordon_drogon> I have a class 6 Transcend that worked on the 2nd Debian release but not the 3rd )-:
[21:11] <jeroenh> I checked the list with benchmarks that was on someones dropbox
[21:11] <jeroenh> posted on the forum somewhere
[21:12] <gordon_drogon> theres a bunch of examples too: wget -O- http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/examples.tar | tar xfB -
[21:12] <Guest91121> jeroenh: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[21:13] <zleap> hi gordon_drogon
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[21:14] <zleap> just typed hi gordon_drogon
[21:14] <jeroenh> I used this one as reference: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60111136/SD%20card%20benchmarks.pdf
[21:14] <hotwings> beware of that "verified" sd card list.. people have been reporting cards not working that they bought from that list
[21:14] <gordon_drogon> zleap, we're having one half of a conversation in one window and another in this one ;-)
[21:15] <Guest91121> hotwings: It's a wiki, add it on
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> Hm. My 4GB kingston ones c4 work, but are slow )-:
[21:15] <Guest91121> gordon_drogon: a person just walked through the courtyard!
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> yea, that list says Transcend 4GB c6's work - mine doesn't!
[21:16] <gordon_drogon> heh the cameras still going :)
[21:16] <jeroenh> gordon_drogon: I'm guessing now that that list is not benchmarks performed on the raspberry
[21:16] <Cheery> ./rtb: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:16] <hotwings> Guest91121 - when you have a list of cards that work for some but not others, the list is basically useless at this point
[21:17] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I think... you should share the sources. ^^
[21:17] <gordon_drogon> I will in time.
[21:17] <hotwings> supposedly the sd card mess is supposed to be fixed soon though
[21:17] <gordon_drogon> You need to apt-get install libsdl
[21:17] <Guest91121> hotwings: It's a wiki. If the list is wrong then change it.
[21:17] <jeroenh> I have a 5+ years old card that works fine, but I was hoping to get a bit more speed
[21:17] <plugwash> the real problem is that just because two cards are marked the same doesn't gaurantee the internals are the same
[21:17] <plugwash> so i'm not sure such a list can ever be "right"
[21:17] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: it looks like such language that is hard to understand.. well. basic
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[21:18] <gordon_drogon> yea, ironically my old 4GB transcend c6 was OK initially, fast too, until I got the latest debian.
[21:18] <gordon_drogon> BASIC? Well, it's the first language I ever programmed in..
[21:18] <jeroenh> hotwings: is there a fix in the works?
[21:18] <Cheery> bonus for examples though.
[21:18] <gordon_drogon> Now I've written an interpreter (in C)
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[21:18] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: tell me once you've published okay? :)
[21:19] <Guest91121> gordon_drogon: You need to attach a foghorn to the camera that be be activated by the viewer
[21:19] <gordon_drogon> I suspect it's mostly pot-luck on the SD card front for now...
[21:19] <gordon_drogon> hehe...
[21:20] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: it's interesting sort of interpreter as it looks like actually useful and functional
[21:20] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: according to examples you shown
[21:20] <hotwings> jeroenh - i read there is but of course until its available for download, its just talk :)
[21:21] <jeroenh> where? :)
[21:21] <gordon_drogon> well it's farirly standard basic with a modern approach - proper loops, procedures, functions, etc.
[21:21] <hotwings> Guest91121 - well, you tell me.. what a card works for some people but not others...does it belong on the list or not?
[21:21] <hotwings> or should every entry come with a disclaimer that it may not actually work?
[21:21] <Guest91121> hotwings: Do whatever you want.
[21:22] <gordon_drogon> I may pop into my local electrical shoppie tomorow - they sell digital cameras so probably have a selection of SD cards.
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[21:23] <jeroenh> price for sd cards can vary enormously though
[21:23] <hotwings> Guest91121 - ill elect to ignore the list completely until the issue causing the inconsistency is resolved. only at that point will the entries have any meaning
[21:23] <jeroenh> the same card was more than three times as much in a shop as an online store
[21:23] <Guest91121> jeroenh: You may not have bought a geniune card.
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[21:24] <wolfet> anyone got their raspberry pi?
[21:24] <jeroenh> it comes in one of those super annoying plastic boxes, complete with carton packaging, I think it's genuine
[21:24] <jeroenh> and a coupon for some recovery tool
[21:24] <wolfet> when can i order one?
[21:24] <gordon_drogon> this is the first time I've actually had a use for SD cards - my old digital camera takes CF!
[21:24] <Guest91121> Well then you'd be wrong.
[21:24] <Guest91121> gordon_drogon: Pins just seem so outdated
[21:25] <Guest91121> It's like ide to sata
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> wolfet, you can order one now - yes, a lot of people already have them.
[21:25] <jeroenh> Guest91121: the average price was way below that of the store, I'm certain that store is making quite a lot on those cards
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> oh I understand the technology OK... just never had anything to use one in until now :)
[21:25] <hotwings> jeroenh - real stores have overhead and dont all pay for products equally.. additionally, each store/company chooses their own pricing in most cases
[21:25] <wolfet> wheres the best store to order from?
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> fortunately my laptops have built-in sd wread/writers..
[21:26] <Guest91121> wolfet: location?
[21:26] <wolfet> americas
[21:26] <hotwings> because something cost a lot more at a real store vs. online, it doesnt automatically mean the online one is fake/clone/worse/bootleg/etc
[21:26] <Guest91121> wolfet: which country?
[21:26] <gordon_drogon> O ordered from Farnell, but the one I have came from RS.
[21:26] <wolfet> crappy underdeveloped one
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[21:26] <Guest91121> wolfet: which country?
[21:26] <wolfet> does it matter?
[21:26] <Guest91121> yes
[21:27] <wolfet> why? because not all stores ship international?
[21:27] <gordon_drogon> well we can see your IP address and make a guess....
[21:27] <Guest91121> wolfet: Not in this case
[21:28] <wolfet> k
[21:28] <wolfet> well, which is the best place
[21:28] <gordon_drogon> have a look at the farnell / element14 website and see what they suggest for you.
[21:28] <wolfet> im in peru
[21:28] <wolfet> piece of shit country
[21:28] <wolfet> i hate it
[21:28] <gordon_drogon> nice for tourists I hear...
[21:28] <wolfet> i dont care if it is
[21:28] <wolfet> its not for me
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[21:32] <Guest91121> yum http://i.imgur.com/OmUvq.jpg
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[21:33] <gordon_drogon> uh- pizza?
[21:33] <gordon_drogon> it's not deep fried...
[21:33] <gordon_drogon> the top one is a weird shape - commercial or home made?
[21:34] <Guest91121> commercial
[21:34] <gordon_drogon> ok
[21:35] <gregrob> pizza hut, cheeseburger pizza
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[21:36] <mkopack> Eeew Pizza Slut
[21:36] <mkopack> barf
[21:36] <mkopack> They're almost as bad as Little Caesar's now
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[21:36] <Guest91121> hooters sucks
[21:38] <gordon_drogon> I live in a little town - but we do have a pizza resturant which does takeaways.
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[21:39] <SimonT> mkopack: yeah, I never like pizza hut.. too greasy
[21:39] <SimonT> liked*
[21:40] * SpeedEvil wishes he could get hot food delivered sometimes.
[21:40] <mkopack> Mellow Mushroom all the way for me??? REALLY good
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> Tesco, Asda, Sainsburies will all deliver.
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[21:40] <SpeedEvil> Hot food - no.
[21:40] <mkopack> Where are you SpeedEvil ? Afghanistan???
[21:40] <Guest91121> SpeedEvil: Not even a cooked chicken?
[21:41] <gordon_drogon> our local (2.5 miles away) curry house will deliver.
[21:41] <SimonT> I like Panago, but there are also quite a few good local pizza shops where I live
[21:41] <gordon_drogon> that's all that's important :)
[21:41] <Guest91121> SpeedEvil: I suppose it's because they deliver them in bulk and they will be liable if hot food spoils
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Midway between Dundee and Edinburgh
[21:41] <mkopack> ah
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> I'm just outside all of the food places ranges I've found.
[21:42] <wolfet> would it be cool to wear the raspberry?
[21:42] * ajtag doffs' his cay
[21:42] <wolfet> like on a jacket
[21:42] <ajtag> cap even
[21:42] <wolfet> and walk around with it?
[21:43] <Guest91121> wolfet: Definitely not.
[21:43] <wolfet> why not
[21:43] <Guest91121> wolfet: You should be ashamed for even thinking about it.
[21:43] <wolfet> but im not
[21:43] <wolfet> :)
[21:43] <wolfet> i know!
[21:43] * ajtag has a pi powereded robot costume
[21:43] <wolfet> the raspberry as an anal probe!
[21:43] <wolfet> :D
[21:43] * ajtag winces
[21:43] <Guest91121> If it's hidden from view then it may be acceptable
[21:44] <gordon_drogon> it's too heavy on amps for batterys, alas.
[21:44] <wolfet> the anal probe is hidden
[21:44] <NucWin> i stripped a printer down the other day for its motors
[21:44] <ajtag> 12v sla works
[21:44] <NucWin> unfortunatly they were just normal motors not steppers
[21:44] <Cheery> oh. you have pron time here
[21:44] <gordon_drogon> 12v sla weighs a lot )-:
[21:44] <Guest91121> wolfet: you peruvians are weird
[21:45] <wolfet> i know
[21:45] <wolfet> well, its just me
[21:45] <wolfet> :)
[21:45] <Guest91121> wolfet: How old are you?
[21:45] <wolfet> in summary, i can order a raspberry now, there's plenty of them in stock?
[21:45] <wolfet> or is it like i have to be on a waiting list
[21:45] <wolfet> im 98
[21:46] <Guest91121> wolfet: Nope
[21:46] <gordon_drogon> you can oder it and be on the waiting list.
[21:46] <Guest91121> wolfet: Waiting list
[21:46] <wolfet> fuck waiting list
[21:46] <gordon_drogon> get one off ebay then.
[21:46] <ajtag> waiting list, unless you go to sainburys
[21:46] <wolfet> where's that?
[21:46] <Guest91121> wolfet: They are still being made, it's not like there are any being kept in a factory somewhere
[21:46] <ajtag> or tesco/ wallmart/ asda
[21:46] <wolfet> i hate those order page reloading fuckfests
[21:46] <plugwash> if you want a pi in a hurry then your only option is to pay many times face value on ebay
[21:46] <Guest91121> ajtag: asda is walmart
[21:47] <wolfet> having the order page bomb out due to overload
[21:47] <wolfet> yea
[21:47] <wolfet> fuck ebay too
[21:47] <gordon_drogon> they're not overloaded right now.
[21:47] <wolfet> but there's a waiting list
[21:47] <wolfet> how big is it?
[21:47] <gordon_drogon> yes, but the ordering pages are not overloaded.
[21:47] <wolfet> like 10000 people ahead of me?
[21:47] * ajtag has a feeling merkins wont know asda tho
[21:47] <wolfet> screw it, ill make my own raspberry
[21:47] <wolfet> ill power it with cow dung
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> Asda isn't walmart.
[21:47] <plugwash> wolfet, add a zero to that number and you would probablly still be underestimating
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> Walmart owns Asda, but the stores are quite different
[21:48] <gordon_drogon> and get it to play peruvian nose flutes!!!
[21:48] <wolfet> yea i though that
[21:48] <wolfet> yea, with peruvian flute bands!
[21:48] <wolfet> >D
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[21:48] <gordon_drogon> Paddington bear comes from deepest Peru...
[21:48] <wolfet> the raspberry is very sought after isnt it
[21:48] <wolfet> everyone wants one
[21:49] <wolfet> fuck this country, focus on the raspberry
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[21:49] <wolfet> you all on the waiting list?
[21:49] <wolfet> do they say how long will you have to wait? like, in years?
[21:49] <gordon_drogon> no, I have one, waiting for another though.
[21:50] <mkopack> more like 150,000 on the waiting list
[21:50] <gordon_drogon> 3 weeks for me.
[21:50] <wolfet> really,? 3 weeks, thats not too bad
[21:50] <wolfet> ive waiting months
[21:50] <Cheery> wolfet: says I'll get it within 8 weeks
[21:50] <wolfet> other items
[21:50] <wolfet> k
[21:50] <mkopack> wolfet: yeah, welcome to the club...
[21:50] <gordon_drogon> I was waiting months too - now it's 3 weeks.
[21:50] <wolfet> thats not that good
[21:50] <wolfet> gordon_drogon, total waiting time_
[21:50] <wolfet> ?
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[21:51] <gordon_drogon> well, since Feb 29th...
[21:51] <wolfet> yea, ive kinda stopped paying attention to the raspberry because of this
[21:51] <Cheery> heh.
[21:51] <wolfet> the sheeva plug seems more interesting
[21:51] <gordon_drogon> just under 3 months in total until I get the one I odered.
[21:51] <wolfet> k
[21:51] <Cheery> really?
[21:51] <Cheery> nobody has really waited for years at a computing platform that'd be cheap enough to give away?
[21:51] <Cheery> am I the only one who waited for that before rpi?
[21:52] <dmsuse> $50 is cheap enough to give away? just how rich are you?
[21:52] <gordon_drogon> I waited for my BBC Micro..
[21:52] <wolfet> isnt it 35$?
[21:52] <dmsuse> lol
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> wolfet: No.
[21:52] <dmsuse> is it heck
[21:52] <wolfet> dammit its now $50?
[21:52] <wolfet> fuck that
[21:52] <DDave> wolfet: sheevaplugs gets really really warm
[21:52] <wolfet> ill get an ipod instead
[21:52] <wolfet> :D
[21:52] <dmsuse> you might get it cheaper if your in a free country
[21:53] <Cheery> dmsuse: you don't give away goods just for fun. :)
[21:53] <dmsuse> but still, its not 25 like the said :P
[21:53] <dmsuse> *they
[21:53] <plugwash> $35 is the nominal price for a model B but that is before shipping/handling/tax/etc :/
[21:53] <wolfet> whats the costs in both models?
[21:53] <wolfet> k
[21:53] <wolfet> sheeva plug doesnt have a waiting list
[21:53] <wolfet> does it?
[21:53] <dmsuse> Cheery: i give it away ;)
[21:53] <wolfet> ddave?
[21:53] <Cheery> dmsuse: but 50$ is enough to actually give away as a.. say gift.
[21:54] <DDave> wolfet: yes it does..
[21:54] <dmsuse> a gift maybe :P
[21:54] <wolfet> dammit
[21:54] <plugwash> there are many arm systems out there that don't have the hype and associated waiting lists that the Pi has, they all tend to be either a lot more expensive than the Pi or a lot less capable though
[21:54] <wolfet> waiting list too?
[21:54] <gordon_drogon> it'll be worth it if you like dabbling with micros.
[21:54] <wolfet> like which ones plugwash?
[21:54] <gordon_drogon> some of my dabbling: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[21:54] <ajtag> have been using these before pi came along, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-T5710-800MHz-512-256-Thin-Client-PSU-QUICK-SALE-/120896042003?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item1c25f73413#ht_500wt_1156
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[21:55] <gordon_drogon> and he went..
[21:55] <jeroenh> hotwings: I can understand a markup of price to 150% or more
[21:56] <jeroenh> but more than 300%
[21:56] <jeroenh> that's just ridiculous
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[21:56] <plugwash> wolfet, well there is the beagle/panda series, they have had stocking problems in the past but they seem readilly available at the moment
[21:56] <gordon_drogon> I used some thin clients like that for a VoIP project I did a while back. Not HP but the same idea though.
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[21:56] <mkopack> wolfed just came across as a total troll
[21:56] <gordon_drogon> from peru...
[21:56] <plugwash> and the various plug computers
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[21:58] <plugwash> Normally i'd have said the same about the i.mx53 quickstart board but it seems to have gone out of stock recently (wonder if it's related to me mentioning it on the Pi forum or just regular stock fluctuations....)
[21:58] <ajtag> have used the hp5710 ones a few times with a CF and it is x86 too which is convienient
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[22:00] <gordon_drogon> the ones I used took flash IDE drives.
[22:00] <gordon_drogon> but I've used AMD Geode boards (ALIX) with CF cards to boot off.
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[22:03] <ajtag> it is a 2.5" ide connector so a converter to cf is fairly easy to drop in
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[22:03] <gordon_drogon> for ide? sure.
[22:04] <gordon_drogon> http://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=129
[22:04] <gordon_drogon> that's the things.
[22:05] <gordon_drogon> I've used them for quite a few years now in miniITX type boards.
[22:05] <gordon_drogon> it's just the ALIX ones that tkae Cf.
[22:05] <jzaw> this might work
[22:05] <jzaw> http://store.calexium.com/en/adapters/36-sata-hd-kit-for-alix-board.html
[22:05] <jzaw> for the alix and a 2.5" sata drive
[22:05] <gordon_drogon> these things http://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=180
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[22:07] <gordon_drogon> that's a near little device.
[22:08] <gordon_drogon> adapter..
[22:08] <zleap> cool
[22:08] <gordon_drogon> brb..
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[22:12] <Cheery> I came up with a fun abstraction over SDL.. but I'm not sure whether it flies.
[22:13] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/0SL0MdjKrHw7zcOKt9du/
[22:14] <Cheery> the meat is in screen(which, place) -abstraction.
[22:14] <ajtag> gordon_drogon: cheers, thats really handy
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[22:15] <Cheery> object being called is the target, 'which' determines what's being drawn, place determines coordinates and 'changing things'
[22:15] <Cheery> it's bit fancy.. but I feel it should be quite fun.
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[22:17] <Cheery> tending to do this kind of things when not liking the interfaces I get
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[22:22] <SimonT> Cheery: so you wrote "essence"?
[22:23] <SimonT> It's been a couple years since I played with Python
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[22:24] <Cheery> SimonT: it's just small piece of "essence", which takes care of UI.
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[22:25] <SimonT> Cool, looks handy
[22:25] <gordon_drogon> I've never really gotten into Python.
[22:25] <markus__> so which is the coolest case so far?
[22:26] <markus__> for le raspberry pi.
[22:26] <Cheery> thank you. :) though trying to get better really.
[22:26] <SimonT> I wrote a couple small games a couple years ago using PyGame
[22:26] <gordon_drogon> I have one of these:
[22:26] <gordon_drogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[22:26] <des2> If only they had designed it so it fit into an Altoids tin....
[22:26] <gordon_drogon> not a case as such, however.
[22:27] <SimonT> gordon_drogon: that looks really cool/handy
[22:27] <gordon_drogon> there was a chap local to make who made some and sold them on ebay - I might get one yet.
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[22:27] <SimonT> The Pi's don't have the header pins right?
[22:27] <Cheery> "essence" itself is a programming environment, with an editor where you can use a 'document' instead of 'text' for source code.
[22:27] <gordon_drogon> Yes they do.
[22:28] <SimonT> Oh, my understanding was you'd have solder them on yourself
[22:28] <SimonT> but that's better for me that it comes with the header pins :)
[22:29] <trench> Your order is shipped
[22:29] <trench> 2081185 1 1 0 RASPBRRY-PCBA SBC, RASPBERRY PI, MODEL B RASPBRRY-PCBA
[22:29] <trench> ;)
[22:29] <mkopack> SimonT: They originally weren't going to include them, but Eben forgot to take them off the BOM when it got sent to the manufacturer, and the price they got quoted with them on by the chinese manufacturer was low enough that they decided to just leave them on
[22:29] <Cheery> trench: I keep wondering when I'll get that happy message
[22:29] <SimonT> mkopack: Ah ok, that explains my confusion. Thanks!
[22:29] <trench> Cheery: where are you in the world?
[22:29] <gordon_drogon> I actually have a large breadboard blu-taked to it right now though.
[22:29] <Cheery> mkopack: best decision from Eben really.
[22:30] <SimonT> Cheery: same..
[22:30] <Cheery> mkopack: or well. good one. not sure what other decisions he did :)
[22:30] <trench> Cheery: .no here
[22:30] <mkopack> Well, yes and no???
[22:30] <gordon_drogon> I suspect many would get fried by people not confident about soldering ...
[22:30] <Cheery> trench: scandinavia.
[22:30] <mkopack> Yes because it standardizes the GPIO pin orientation and gender.
[22:31] <mkopack> Bad because it removes some of the flexibility so you might not be able to use it the way you were hoping to when it was a DIY connector
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[22:31] <Cheery> really.. I think it's good they have those by default. makes it lot suspectible for random GPIO hacks :)
[22:31] <mkopack> Soldering .1 pitch is easy...
[22:31] <trench> Cheery: you preordered it from farnell.com right?
[22:31] <Cheery> mkopack: yep
[22:32] <SimonT> mkopack: maybe for you ;)
[22:32] <SimonT> I'm not very good at soldering
[22:33] <Cheery> I might be lazy enough to not bother with soldering them into rpi.
[22:33] <Cheery> but since they are there.. I guess I'll use them
[22:33] <RaYmAn> SimonT: I suspect there are a lot of people like us who sucks at soldering, but still want to use the gpio pins :)
[22:34] * RaYmAn is certainly a hell of a lot better at programming than soldering
[22:34] <SimonT> Will future Pi's have the pins or just that one batch?
[22:34] <Cheery> SimonT: who knows?
[22:34] <RaYmAn> I really hope they'll keep it on all
[22:34] <Cheery> actually I feel broadcom made a biz. from this.
[22:34] <Cheery> a huge biz.
[22:35] <RaYmAn> They could probably sell a version without later on for the people who want diff stuff
[22:35] <Cheery> you know.. a computing platform everybody will know
[22:35] <acfrazier> pin headers are easy as hell to solder
[22:35] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess1.jpg
[22:35] <Cheery> designed for hackers.
[22:35] <gordon_drogon> current mess o'spagetti :)
[22:36] <Cheery> it'll be everywhere if this continues
[22:36] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: that case's cool
[22:36] <gordon_drogon> I think they'll all have the GPIO header now.
[22:36] <SimonT> gordon_drogon: your breadboard looks a little big ;)
[22:36] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: you've used jumper wires to connect it?
[22:36] <gordon_drogon> it's a bit of a fiddle to get the SD card in/out - hence the blue tape on it!
[22:37] <gordon_drogon> yes - female to male jumpers from the GPIO to the breadboard.
[22:37] <SimonT> for the case that is. I know small breaboards can get cluttered quickly
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[22:37] <gordon_drogon> I made the mistake of ordering the case/base without the breadboard - doh!
[22:37] <gordon_drogon> I have it now, so tomorow I'll split the 2 so the arduino board isseparate.
[22:37] <SimonT> gordon_drogon: I almost missed the fine print about the breadboard not being included
[22:38] <gordon_drogon> yea, I did miss it!!!
[22:38] <gordon_drogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[22:38] <gordon_drogon> that's the jumper wires - I got 2 packs.
[22:38] <_av500_> wow, wires
[22:38] * gordon_drogon grins.
[22:39] <gordon_drogon> I know, but they're nice and pre-made. I originally cut-down an old floppy disk cable and soldered pins to the end, but I thought I might as well get nice wires.
[22:39] <_av500_> the floppy god hates you now
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[22:39] <Cheery> GPIO is one of the things that will make this fly. :)
[22:39] <gordon_drogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/pi-ucubed.jpg
[22:40] <gordon_drogon> that's a piccy of it at the even I went to last satuday - with the cut-up floppy cable :)
[22:40] <Cheery> you're busy already with it. :D
[22:40] <gordon_drogon> sure.
[22:40] <SimonT> Ugh, I can't wait to get my hands on a pi..
[22:41] <gordon_drogon> but I've done lots of stuff in the past with arduinos and home built microcontrollers, etc.
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[22:41] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: probably helps yeah.
[22:41] <gordon_drogon> yea, not managed to blow it up yet - not for lack of trying though!
[22:41] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: after I've tried that it works.. I guess my first trick will be to connect it up to UART.
[22:42] <gordon_drogon> it's a 3.3v uart...
[22:42] <Cheery> yes
[22:42] <RaYmAn> you can get extremely cheap TTL (3.3v) UART to USB adapters on ebay :)
[22:42] <gordon_drogon> have to say, I'm not going to bother with the uart - i've no immediate need for it though.
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[22:42] <gordon_drogon> you might as well get a USB to serial adapter.
[22:42] <gordon_drogon> with a proper 9-pin socket on it, etc.
[22:42] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I plan to use it in osdeving
[22:42] <gordon_drogon> I talk to the arduino via usb serial.
[22:43] <gordon_drogon> ah, you'll need serial then :)
[22:43] <ajtag> SimonT: you can get something very similar with 22/7
[22:43] <RaYmAn> tbh, with these ttl-to-USB, no external components are required - you just attach the wires directly.
[22:43] <SimonT> ajtag: similar to what?
[22:43] <gordon_drogon> You could always use another Pi as the terminal and run minicom on it ;-)
[22:43] <RaYmAn> which is a hell of a lot easier than having to throw in max232's or whatever they use these days :P
[22:43] <ajtag> pi
[22:44] <gordon_drogon> then just connect the pins directly!!!
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[22:44] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: you think I'll get two Pis from somewhere lol? :D
[22:44] <gordon_drogon> heh
[22:44] <SimonT> lol
[22:44] <Cheery> I'd guess not anytime soon
[22:44] <gordon_drogon> connecting to a 5V serial shouldn't be hard - people are saying they've done it.
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[22:44] <RaYmAn> I wonder how many of the orders they have received are from people who attempted to order from both RS and Farnell
[22:44] <Cheery> good
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[22:45] <SimonT> that went way over my head until I goggled it and did the math... :/
[22:45] <gordon_drogon> you'll need a dropper on the input to the Pi to take the 5v to the 3.3
[22:45] <Cheery> anyway the 'essence' is related to that osdeving project. :)
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> gordon_drogon: resistive divider
[22:45] <gordon_drogon> yes.
[22:45] <gordon_drogon> what sort of OS are you looking at developing?
[22:45] <ajtag> :D
[22:46] <Cheery> 'essence' will have a sort of tree editing system where you work on. it should be helping both user and programming env.
[22:46] <RaYmAn> gordon_drogon: alternatively you can just get one of these 3$ things http://www.ebay.com/itm/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-UART-TTL-6PIN-Module-Serial-Converter-/130683943875?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6d5ebbc3
[22:46] <RaYmAn> ;)
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[22:47] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I'll make a mixed static/dynamic typed language into essence
[22:47] <RaYmAn> It's almost cheaper than going out to get the components to put the same thing together yourself, lol
[22:47] <ajtag> am using a converter from sparcfun for the gpio and a ftdi adapter for serial
[22:47] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: probably in a way that the compiled code will be 'optimization' into vm-code that'd be otherwise run directly.
[22:48] <gordon_drogon> and putting that on the "bare metal" rather than run it under e.g. Linux?
[22:48] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: the OS itself I think I'll code with this language.
[22:48] <gordon_drogon> ok
[22:48] <Cheery> yeah.
[22:48] <gordon_drogon> good luck - sounds intersting.
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[22:49] <gordon_drogon> yea, those little serial converters are a bit of a no-brainer!
[22:50] <Cheery> trying to handle it. :) that ui -stuff is for the editor.
[22:50] <Cheery> and I have the document model already
[22:50] <gordon_drogon> and it's using SDL?
[22:50] <gordon_drogon> or just texty type console?
[22:50] <Cheery> once I got some DOM rendering code done.. I guess the editor itself will fly.
[22:50] <Cheery> it's using SDL
[22:51] <gordon_drogon> SDL is pretty slow on the Pi right now )-:
[22:51] <gordon_drogon> at least that's what I'm finding with my BASIC which uses it.
[22:51] <Cheery> well using it only for bootstrap
[22:51] <Cheery> after the editor I have the vm in queue.
[22:52] <RaYmAn> SDL is well, extremely slow in general, unless you use it "very correctly", lol. Though, having proper 2D acceleration does help a lot
[22:52] <mjr> sdl type stuff isn't probably going to be very fast on it ever, at least on full hd or something...
[22:52] <RaYmAn> you can win A LOT by only updating the regions that have actually changed etc
[22:52] <gordon_drogon> yea, I've got the hang of SDL myself now - tricky in a non-game type application!
[22:52] <Cheery> studied JONESFORTH last winter and concluded the techniques presented there would help me with this :)
[22:53] <gordon_drogon> it's hard for me to use update_rect as I never know what's been written to )-:
[22:53] <gordon_drogon> Ah- it was you asking about Forth on the forums...
[22:53] <Cheery> the problem with a full programming environment is that it's easily too complex to create
[22:53] <RaYmAn> gordon_drogon: you don't write to the surface yourself? :P (you could keep track of what regions you write to)
[22:53] <gordon_drogon> I'm GordonH on the forums...
[22:53] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I thought I were answering forth questions :)
[22:53] <gordon_drogon> my application is a BASIC interpreter... I could track what the program writes, but...
[22:54] <RaYmAn> I guess it does get a bit complex easily =P
[22:54] <gordon_drogon> yea, you never know what the program is doing :)
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[22:54] <gordon_drogon> I decided I'd have an UPDATE keyword, so call UPDATE in the BASIC program to do a screen update.
[22:55] <RaYmAn> yeah
[22:55] <gordon_drogon> it does updates on print new-lines and when pausing for input.
[22:55] <RaYmAn> so you could have an UPDATERECTS or similar
[22:55] <RaYmAn> =P
[22:55] <gordon_drogon> sure - if I knew what parts of the screen had been written to.
[22:55] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: doing a compiled language gets easier a bit if you think of compiling as an optimization
[22:55] <RaYmAn> gordon_drogon: the program presumably does know :P
[22:55] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: or well.. I haven't managed to do anything useful without considering it that way
[22:56] <gordon_drogon> well, the BASIC program... it could be plotting points anywhere...
[22:56] <gordon_drogon> my BASIC tokenises on entry and builds up a symbol table for variables and constants...
[22:56] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: you could let the user optimize that
[22:56] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: or then switch to opengl from SDL :)
[22:56] <gordon_drogon> yea, but actually, it's been OK so far.
[22:57] <Cheery> okay
[22:57] <RaYmAn> yeah, I guess you really do need to do it in the interpreter if you want speed - keep track of e.g. writes to screen, then on update only writes (partially-merged) regions
[22:57] <gordon_drogon> what I've found is that it's "fast enough" for general use.
[22:57] <gordon_drogon> it was only relatively recently that I actually thought about the Pi.
[22:57] <gordon_drogon> I wrote the bulk of the interpreter in January...
[22:57] <Cheery> okay
[22:58] <Cheery> well I've thought about osdeving on raspberry pi for a while.. but didn't thought that I'd do it with my own language
[22:58] <gordon_drogon> on my 1.6GHz atom desktop it performed adequately on some tests I was running - e.g. aminating some turtle graphics spirals at 60 frames/sec...
[22:59] <gordon_drogon> however I might need to do something on the Pi as the same thing barely goes at 11 fps )-:
[22:59] <RaYmAn> at least you have a Pi :>
[22:59] <gordon_drogon> er, yes :)
[23:00] <gordon_drogon> you could have a qemu pretend one - I did that for a while to prove it would compile and run...
[23:00] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I guess if you want to do better you'd need to use opengl on it
[23:00] <gordon_drogon> possibly, but I know nothing about openGL - all I want to do is put pixels on a screen.
[23:01] <RaYmAn> Cheery: opengl isn't really necessarily very good at putting individual pixels on screen though :/
[23:01] <Cheery> RaYmAn: well probably no for most things.
[23:01] <RaYmAn> I suppose if you built up a list and did batch rendering for them it would be ok, but..
[23:01] <Cheery> RaYmAn: but it does help
[23:01] <gordon_drogon> it's actually the first time I've done graphics on a modern X windows system.
[23:01] <Cheery> ..unless Rpi has 2D accel
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[23:02] <gordon_drogon> I was somewhat dissapointed in just how complex it could be to do simple stuff - until I found SDL.
[23:02] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: I guess RPi will be the first time I'll do graphics on no system at all. :P
[23:02] <Cheery> or wait..
[23:02] <RaYmAn> I guess opengl is better now - Last I tried, I was trying out a software renderer using either OpenGL for pixel-plotting or SDL - and SDL was soooo much faster
[23:02] <Cheery> forgot my x86 bootsector game of life
[23:02] <RaYmAn> but that was without batching/lists
[23:03] <gordon_drogon> I've done lots of little embedded things though, but never had a task for graphics on unix/Linux...
[23:03] <Cheery> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALLcba6YpsY&feature=plcp - meanwhile in your boot sector!
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[23:03] <gordon_drogon> doesn't the GPU just give you a big framebuffer when it's not doing anything clever?
[23:03] <Cheery> have never tried this thing on real machine though. :/
[23:04] <gordon_drogon> ha, that's neat. right, tomorow I write a Life in BASIC.
[23:04] <gordon_drogon> I probably wrote one 30 years ago on the Apple...
[23:05] <Cheery> hmm my hg server isn't up
[23:05] <Cheery> oh well. :/ let it be down
[23:05] <gordon_drogon> you like hg?
[23:06] <gordon_drogon> a local company I'm doing syadmin for just switched from svn to hg.
[23:06] <Cheery> I used it before git became so common there was no point anymore
[23:06] <gordon_drogon> I'm trying to get my head round git, but I've used cvs for a while.
[23:06] <gordon_drogon> ok
[23:06] <gordon_drogon> I used sccs once upon a time too...
[23:07] <D34TH> We received feedback that you sent friend requests to people you don?t know, which isn?t allowed on Facebook.
[23:07] <D34TH> dafuq
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[23:07] <D34TH> whoops
[23:07] <D34TH> wrong window
[23:07] <Cheery> dodii
[23:07] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: my HG is working again
[23:08] <Cheery> http://hg.boxbase.org/
[23:08] <gordon_drogon> :)
[23:08] <Cheery> http://hg.boxbase.org/bootgof/file/45cfb028042e
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[23:10] <gordon_drogon> what's the front-end? Is is part of hg?
[23:10] <Cheery> where?
[23:10] <gordon_drogon> on the hg.boxbase.org site.
[23:11] <gordon_drogon> the nice webby front-end to the underlying stuff.
[23:11] <gordon_drogon> trying to work out a good mechanism for my own published stuff.
[23:11] <Cheery> it hgweb if you mean the website itself
[23:11] <Cheery> it's*
[23:11] <gordon_drogon> ok - yea, thats what I meant.
[23:11] <Cheery> or whatever that is which comes with hg
[23:12] <gordon_drogon> must look into it. although the folks I've just set hg up for didn't ask for a webby front-end :)
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[23:13] <gordon_drogon> actually, that is so useful, it's almost enough to make me switch - unless there is an equivalent for git.
[23:14] <gordon_drogon> and I can host it on one of my own servers.
[23:14] <Cheery> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/05/03/1553230/javafx-runs-on-raspberry-pi
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[23:14] <Cheery> funny thing
[23:14] * NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD289D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)
[23:14] <Cheery> oracle attempts to get java working on raspberry pi
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[23:16] <Cheery> so even business people will end up with raspberry :/
[23:16] <gordon_drogon> not something I'm overy bothered with right now :)
[23:16] <Cheery> neither me.. but it's funny
[23:16] <gordon_drogon> sure!
[23:17] <gordon_drogon> I'm off for the evening now.
[23:17] <gordon_drogon> laters!
[23:17] <Cheery> getting sleep. good night
[23:18] * Davespice (~quassel@cpc13-haye17-2-0-cust146.haye.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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[23:20] <dmsuse> java is a dead language
[23:20] <mjr> I don't think that's quite fair, but Oracle sure is trying to kill it with fire.
[23:20] <Cheery> dmsuse: you could say so.. but it's still used in many businesses
[23:21] <dmsuse> well it shouldn't be :P
[23:21] <Cheery> but.. the funny thing is that rasberry is considered important enough that they take effort to support it
[23:21] <dmsuse> and i hope oracle sues the crap out of android so they have to switch to a decent language :P
[23:22] * TopherBrink (~GeorgeWBu@host86-137-52-18.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: No power in the 'Verse can stop me. Well... except that.)
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[23:22] <Cheery> I've thought about writing a game and porting it to android.. or developing it for android in first place.
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently my pi has been shipped.
[23:22] <Cheery> but probably not time to do it this year.
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> But I have no information on when it will arrive
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[23:23] <dmsuse> i made an iphone app, would have made an android one too, till i found out they use java
[23:23] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir: do you get a tracking number?
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[23:29] <GabrialDestruir> Not yet.
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[23:42] <Guest48923> hi
[23:43] <Guest48923> hi
[23:43] <Guest48923> hi
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[23:44] <Guest48923> hi
[23:45] <_av500_> hi
[23:45] <Guest48923> hi
[23:45] * Martix (~martix@4.177.broadband3.iol.cz) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:46] * mhcerri (Marcelo@nat/ibm/x-neqnxzuzlwvhskdc) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6)
[23:46] <Guest48923> hi
[23:47] <Guest48923> hi
[23:48] <Guest48923> hi
[23:48] <curahack> hi
[23:48] <curahack> hi
[23:48] <curahack> hi
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> hi
[23:49] <Guest48923> hi
[23:49] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8-dev)
[23:50] <Guest48923> hi
[23:51] <Guest48923> hi
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[23:51] <D34TH> o hai der
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[23:52] <Hydrazine> hello
[23:52] <Guest48923> hi
[23:52] <curahack> hi
[23:53] * curahack turns on trollin' beacon on
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[23:53] <curahack> lol
[23:53] <_av500_> -> #raspberryhi
[23:54] <curahack> hahahaha, exactly my point
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