#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-04

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[0:03] <hackery21Askmeab> lol
[0:03] <hackery21Askmeab> Its supposed to say : Askmeabout-PiTop
[0:04] <hackery21Askmeab> not Askmeab
[0:04] <hackery21Askmeab> lolz
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[0:04] <hackery21Askmeab> hey Ben64
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[0:16] <hackery21Askmeab> Anyone here
[0:16] <IT_Sean> Nope.
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[0:16] <hackery21Askmeab> +op me
[0:16] <hackery21Askmeab> lol
[0:16] <IT_Sean> No.
[0:16] <hackery21Askmeab> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Laptop
[0:16] <hackery21Askmeab> There
[0:17] <hackery21Askmeab> Made a page
[0:17] <hackery21Askmeab> and here http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects#Community_Project_List
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[0:19] <curahack> hacker21Askmeab you might want to give out more details
[0:20] <IT_Sean> yeah... all you have is a placeholder.
[0:20] <IT_Sean> Not sure what you are hoping to achieve with that.
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[0:23] <hackery21Askmeab> I will
[0:24] <hackery21Askmeab> Anyone want to interview me and other co founder
[0:24] <des2> Nope
[0:25] <hackery21Askmeab> ?
[0:25] <curahack> yeah, start by outlining what the project is about
[0:25] <des2> !
[0:25] <curahack> then tell us how your going to achieve it
[0:25] <hackery21Askmeab> holdon
[0:26] <hackery21Askmeab> let me get the oher guy
[0:26] <hackery21Askmeab> other
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[0:26] <curahack> and lastly, why one would be interested in the project, I mean lets be honest, why would anyone make a laptop out of a pi?
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[0:26] <des2> Then explain to us why we'd want an Rpi laptop.
[0:26] <curahack> ^
[0:26] <des2> beat me to it.
[0:27] <_av500_> I'd want one to put in a blender
[0:27] <s[x]> isnt the wholepoint of Rpi to be ultra light
[0:27] <hackery21Askmeab> yup
[0:27] <s[x]> why would you go attach a screen and a keyboard to it
[0:27] <hackery21Askmeab> ,lightt
[0:27] <s[x]> and have to lug it around
[0:27] <hackery21Askmeab> just wait a sec'
[0:27] <hackery21Askmeab> we will explain
[0:27] <hackery21Askmeab> everthing
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[0:28] <_av500_> hurry
[0:28] * curahack is logging this
[0:29] <s[x]> i got work to do
[0:29] <hackery21Askmeab> hes coming
[0:29] <hackery21Askmeab> one sec
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[0:30] <hackery21Askmeab> hi
[0:30] <hackery21Askmeab> hes here
[0:30] <Ibrahim> Hello
[0:30] <hackery21Askmeab> now one question at a time
[0:31] <hackery21Askmeab> begin
[0:31] <curahack> start by outlining what the project is about
[0:31] <_av500_> animal, minerla or vegetable?
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[0:32] <hackery21Askmeab> The project is to provide a sleek and light computer to kids for programming and being able to see what they are working with
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[0:32] <hackery21Askmeab> and fix stuff themselves
[0:32] <Ibrahim> Basically we're making a new line of laptops.
[0:32] <_av500_> laptops, finally
[0:32] <hackery21Askmeab> Not all powered by Raspi
[0:32] <hackery21Askmeab> only the cheap low end one
[0:32] * _av500_ is tired lugging the pdp11 around
[0:32] <Ibrahim> just the prototype
[0:33] <Ibrahim> is raspberry pi
[0:33] <s[x]> so the one without ethernet ?
[0:33] <hackery21Askmeab> but extemely slim
[0:33] <hackery21Askmeab> no
[0:33] <Ibrahim> and sleek
[0:33] <_av500_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elonex_ONE
[0:33] <hackery21Askmeab> We will use a breakout board
[0:33] <hackery21Askmeab> and desolder the ethernet and usb ports
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[0:33] <curahack> who are you and what makes you qualified for this project/idea?
[0:33] <_av500_> that's all details
[0:34] <tzarc> cost-wise, it's probably easier to make new boards.
[0:34] <hackery21Askmeab> We are students and are looking to help other kids like us
[0:34] <hackery21Askmeab> And we are looking to make a company
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[0:34] <Ibrahim> We already have a wiki and a temp. web site
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[0:34] <_av500_> help in what way?
[0:34] <hackery21Askmeab> And money
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[0:35] <hackery21Askmeab> cheap low cost cool looking laptop
[0:35] <_av500_> a mac book air?
[0:35] <curahack> What study, shool, and what year?
[0:35] <Ibrahim> good for edu.
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> It's not going to be very cheap
[0:35] <hackery21Askmeab> sort of, A cheap macbook ir
[0:35] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed:It will
[0:35] <Ibrahim> somewhat yeah
[0:35] <_av500_> why do people always think price is holding back education?
[0:35] <SpeedEvil> Plus - the Pi is about as fast as a 10 year old laptop.
[0:36] <hackery21Askmeab> we are also looking at Intel Atop
[0:36] <hackery21Askmeab> Atom
[0:36] <_av500_> ah, a netbook
[0:36] <hackery21Askmeab> And TI chips
[0:36] <_av500_> asus did that 3ys ago
[0:36] <Ibrahim> raspberry pi is only for prototype
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> pandaboard may be better
[0:36] <curahack> why bother with the Pi if the board is clearly unsuitable to use it as a laptop or similar device?
[0:36] <hackery21Askmeab> Ya
[0:36] <Ibrahim> in the real ones we will use a diffrent one
[0:36] <hackery21Askmeab> Cura: Protoype
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> In addition, to do a laptop 'properly' - you're looking at the thick end of a million dollars.
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Optimistically.
[0:37] <hackery21Askmeab> not really
[0:37] <_av500_> yes really
[0:37] <ReggieUK> good god
[0:37] <hackery21Askmeab> No not really
[0:37] <ReggieUK> it'll be a lame pos
[0:37] <_av500_> unlesy you oem some china stuff
[0:37] <ReggieUK> imho
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt
[0:37] <Ibrahim> we mak ea small production that gradully increases
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Why open source hardware is hard.
[0:37] <Ibrahim> plus we have investors
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> Ibrahim: Doesn't really work.
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Ibrahim: You start out then at three times the price.
[0:38] <hackery21Askmeab> We are going to hand make the first hundred or so
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> You need an initial batch of several thousand
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[0:38] <hackery21Askmeab> Not factory
[0:38] <ReggieUK> your picture last night was that of a 12yr old, no offence if you're 12, nice idea but using usb hubs with a pi inside a case doesn't make a laptop
[0:38] <Ibrahim> hand made
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[0:38] <Ibrahim> we have time we a re students
[0:38] <_av500_> hand made?
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: You are not going to do sane high density BGAs with hand work
[0:38] <_av500_> out of what?
[0:38] <curahack> I agree with ReggieUK
[0:38] <mpthompson> Let them dream. They'll learn something in the process of what it takes to create such a device.
[0:38] <ReggieUK> in fact, it was ME that suggested you desolder the usb/ethernet sockets and use breakouts
[0:39] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed:We have contacted companies of making the boards for us
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Sure - they can make the boards, for a fee. See above for costs.
[0:39] <_av500_> boards are simple
[0:39] <_av500_> mechanics are not
[0:39] <ReggieUK> hackery21Askmeab, I'd take orders from you if you asked me to make a mental idea too
[0:39] <ReggieUK> moneys money
[0:39] <_av500_> a mold is 20-50k
[0:39] <curahack> board is just the beginning, and why do we need such a device in education? Are people interested in this?
[0:39] <ReggieUK> doesn't make it a good idea
[0:39] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed: Our faactories are not that expensive
[0:39] * curahack doubts this
[0:40] <_av500_> a laptop needs several molds
[0:40] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: our?
[0:40] <hackery21Askmeab> av500: 3d Printing
[0:40] <_av500_> haha
[0:40] <_av500_> did you not say cheap?
[0:40] <ReggieUK> good luck with that
[0:40] <hackery21Askmeab> our chosen factories
[0:40] <_av500_> like?
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: to make 6 layer boards?
[0:40] <_av500_> if you need a laptop, get this case: http://gadgeteer.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/elonex_onetwo3_white.jpg
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: With high densities?
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: If you are getting quotes for 2 layer boards, you're not going to be able to use them.
[0:41] <ReggieUK> if you want a pi laptop, gut an old one!!
[0:41] <hackery21Askmeab> speed: ?
[0:41] <_av500_> it must be cheap in china since there are like 10 different laptops with it
[0:41] <hackery21Askmeab> ITS A THIN LAPTOP
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: you need at least 6 or 8 layer boards to make a stab at a laptop.
[0:41] <curahack> you better off using the OLPC
[0:42] <ReggieUK> you'd be better off using anything that isn't 700mhz
[0:42] <_av500_> ah, thin
[0:42] <_av500_> that explains it
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> Thin at least doubles the required investment
[0:42] <_av500_> extra-thin?
[0:42] <_av500_> thinpad(tm)
[0:42] <hackery21Askmeab> there are some companies that do ONLY 3d printing and they are great aat it
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> Stuff gets nastily hard, your material selection gets harder, your case needs to be _much_ stiffer.
[0:42] <hackery21Askmeab> read the wiki
[0:42] <ReggieUK> that atrix dock is a way way way better idea than a pi laptop case
[0:42] <hackery21Askmeab> http://elinux.org/RPi_Projects#Community_Project_List
[0:43] <hackery21Askmeab> we got an investor
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> And 3d printing makes shit materials basically.
[0:43] <hackery21Askmeab> speed : not always
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[0:43] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: you can print some nice stuff for a lot of money
[0:43] <_av500_> per print
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: Indeed
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: But not sane for a laptop case.
[0:43] <hackery21Askmeab> av500: Discount for lots
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> There isn't really a discount for lots with 3d printing
[0:43] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: right
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> that's the problem.
[0:44] <hackery21Askmeab> and laser cut acrylic paarts
[0:44] <_av500_> free t-shirt though
[0:44] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: you should go on kickstarter
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Acrylic is unfortunately flexible.
[0:44] <hackery21Askmeab> we are still thinking about the laptop casing
[0:44] <hackery21Askmeab> av500: Good idea
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[0:44] <ReggieUK> shortcrust would be your best bet
[0:44] * SpeedEvil looks at the several 2.4*1.2m sheets of acrylic and polycarbonate.
[0:44] <ReggieUK> biodegradable
[0:45] <hackery21Askmeab> :/
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: I'd encourage you to read the above link I posted, and come up with reasons why each is wrong.
[0:45] <Ibrahim> we don't have to use a 3d printer
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[0:45] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: That should at least put you in a place where you can answer some of the required questions.
[0:45] <Guest10341> ello
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[0:46] <hackery21Askmeab> Okay speed
[0:46] <hackery21Askmeab> I will
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> You may find ##electronics useful also
[0:46] <hackery21Askmeab> lets move to the next question
[0:46] <hackery21Askmeab> thanks!
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> The design is man-years of work.
[0:47] <Guest10341> why would you want an arm laptop?
[0:47] <_av500_> does it run excel?
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-tft-lcd-windows-ce-6-0-arm-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-266mhz-2gb-flash-disk-usb-host-sd-slot-lan-39391
[0:47] <hackery21Askmeab> PROTOTYPE
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> In addition
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> 800MHz laptop - $82
[0:47] <_av500_> does it run skype?
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> Free shipping
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> New
[0:47] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed: Thats ugly
[0:47] <hackery21Askmeab> not really thin
[0:47] <_av500_> paint it
[0:47] <hackery21Askmeab> and small
[0:47] <ReggieUK> those things are awful
[0:47] <ReggieUK> but yeah, thin
[0:48] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: and thats the laptop case I linked :)
[0:48] <ReggieUK> and can barely cope with that screen rez and minimal apps
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[0:48] <_av500_> I have that as a MIPS laptop
[0:48] <Ibrahim> too big
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> BeagleBoard
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> PandaBoard
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> Colibri
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> Robin
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> Intel
[0:48] <_av500_> buzzword bingo?
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[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> Custom
[0:48] <_av500_> I win \o/
[0:48] <hackery21Askmeab> many options
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[0:48] <Guest10341> it's a bad idea and you should feel bad
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Thin is _HARD_
[0:49] <hackery21Askmeab> Not really
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Thin means you need to have carbon fibre, metal, or at least glassfibre elements in it to stiffen it
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[0:49] <SpeedEvil> Both the display, and the PCB will die if you flex them more or less at all
[0:49] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: seriously, what makes you think you can do that?
[0:49] <ReggieUK> battery is a big issue with the thinness
[0:49] <Guest10341> You're going to need a sizeable battery aswell.
[0:49] <_av500_> and all that in the rough hands of school kids
[0:50] <Ibrahim> our school has a acyrilic lab that will make our prototype plasti for us
[0:50] <Guest10341> ReggieUK: What if he made is so it clipped onto the top of an existing car battery
[0:50] <ReggieUK> that'd work
[0:50] <Guest10341> You'd get tons of battery life
[0:50] <_av500_> wont be stolen either
[0:50] <hackery21Askmeab> I think 4 AAs would do it
[0:50] <des2> For $82.66 that's a complete computer for kids to learn programming on.
[0:50] <Ibrahim> thats a good idea
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> Ibrahim: the problem with stiffness is that as you half the thickness, the stiffness goes to 1/8th.
[0:50] <ReggieUK> I'd steal the battery and leave the laptop
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[0:50] <Guest10341> hackery21Askmeab: It would need to last at least 6 hours
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[0:50] <tzarc> find me a screen that works off 4 AA's
[0:50] <Ibrahim> lol
[0:51] <hackery21Askmeab> des- does it have linux? Is it good looking? is it big?
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> Ibrahim: This means you need a _much_ stiffer material. The above is probably ABS/polycarbonate blend.
[0:51] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: install Linux
[0:51] <ReggieUK> I've got 2 screens that run off 4xAAs
[0:51] <hackery21Askmeab> Tzarc,not for the screen
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> Ibrahim: With nothing else. To go thinner, you need glass, or metal, or carbon fibre.
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[0:51] <SpeedEvil> err - hackery21Askmeab - not Ibrahim
[0:51] <tzarc> eh
[0:51] <_av500_> maybe it one of these new fold up displays?
[0:51] <Guest10341> fold up?
[0:51] <des2> There's a reason the Macbook Air are aluminum.
[0:51] <_av500_> flexible pcbs
[0:52] <des2> My LCDs don't like to flex.
[0:52] <Guest10341> SpeedEvil: ceramic?
[0:52] <hackery21Askmeab> We dont quite need it to have those materials reggie
[0:52] <ReggieUK> des2, most lcds aren't keen on flexing
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[0:52] <hackery21Askmeab> we can use minimal metal as a coating
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: The problem is that if the PCB, or LCD flexes pretty much at all, they die
[0:52] <Ibrahim> hackery 21 and me are in the same project
[0:52] <hackery21Askmeab> speed- They wont flex
[0:52] <Guest10341> what is minimal metal?
[0:52] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, especially on BGA setups
[0:52] <tzarc> clearly you guys haven't done much of a thorough analysis
[0:52] <hackery21Askmeab> why would they
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Because your case is thin, and made of flexible materials
[0:53] <Guest10341> it's a bad idea and you should feel bad
[0:53] <ReggieUK> xbox 360 and ps3 rr/yl od is a prime example of board flexing killing thousands of machines
[0:53] <hackery21Askmeab> But the screen wont flex
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[0:53] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Sure it does.
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[0:53] <hackery21Askmeab> People have brains
[0:53] <Ibrahim> if your here to critisize our idea, leave
[0:53] <tzarc> unless you're in charge of the supply chain, you're not getting any of these components at the rates you're looking for
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: When you open it with one corner
[0:54] <_av500_> brains, good one
[0:54] <curahack> seriously, everyone walks around with a phone with better specs then the RPi, why would anyone be interested in such a laptop?
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: or accidentally knock it, or ...
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[0:54] <_av500_> Ibrahim: we were here first
[0:54] <Ibrahim> lol
[0:54] <curahack> C'on the SGS S3 will have a 1.4Ghz QUADcore
[0:54] <ReggieUK> hackery21Askmeab, some people have brains but 90% won't have the sense to use them and then of course there are those moments where accidents happen
[0:54] <hackery21Askmeab> curahack: Its prototype
[0:54] <Ibrahim> not real one
[0:54] <hackery21Askmeab> Like i said. Metal coating
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: In addition - if you go to purchase the components for 10 of those $82 laptops, it will cost you around $600 per laptop, if you can get the parts.
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> Metal coating does not add stiffness.
[0:54] <Ibrahim> or aluminum
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> We are looking for intel motherboards
[0:55] <_av500_> Ibrahim: if you cannot stand critics, you should not even consider a project
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> its a project
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> a beta
[0:55] <ReggieUK> the idea of a prototype is to try out ideas, so probably best to try and have as many of the ideas before you start committing materials to designs
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> a test
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> yup
[0:55] <ReggieUK> I hope you're taking notes then :)
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> Thats the point
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> Yup
[0:55] <Ibrahim> haha
[0:55] <ReggieUK> because most of the stuff suggested is very valid to what you're doing
[0:55] <hackery21Askmeab> Taaking notes
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> But before you have a prototype, you need to understand why existing laptops are designed as they are.
[0:56] <Ibrahim> yup
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> _and_why_thinner_ones_are_expensive_
[0:56] <ReggieUK> exactly, why you have all teh ideas and thought processes before you commit to anything
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[0:56] <_av500_> why do I think this is all just a school "project"
[0:56] <ReggieUK> futz with the software if you want to play with something now :D
[0:56] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed: We are still in the designing and prototyping fase and appreciate your citicism
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> Also - what do you mean by thin.
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/10-lcd-android-2-2-via8650-cpu-wi-fi-umpc-netbook-w-camera-wifi-arm-349-79mhz-2gb-sd-lan-81894
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> 2.2cm
[0:56] <Ibrahim> sleek
[0:56] <tzarc> _av500_: because they used the word project themselves before?
[0:56] <_av500_> that will end with an LCD on top of a motheboard....
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[0:56] <ReggieUK> you'll need to write 'phase' down too!!
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[0:57] <hackery21Askmeab> Skinny. Macbook Air..
[0:57] <_av500_> 0.5mm
[0:57] <_av500_> max
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[0:57] <_av500_> "...thats not a manila envelope, that's the laptop..."
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: In addition. The above devices are the cheapest china can currently make.
[0:57] <hackery21Askmeab> Speed: At retail
[0:58] <_av500_> and they are crap
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: you are not going to get better price/performance.
[0:58] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: BOM is like 50%
[0:58] <hackery21Askmeab> not wholesale
[0:58] <ReggieUK> why do all these mini laptops remind me of a digital photoframe with a keyboard ductaped to it?
[0:58] <Ibrahim> we have spli the costs
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: the profit is probably of the order of 20%
[0:58] <Guest24764> the raspberrypi is old tech anyway
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[0:58] <tzarc> ReggieUK: you too, huh? :)
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: And your major problem is that that is 20% profit at 50000 units.
[0:58] <Ibrahim> raspberry pi is for the protype
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: If you make 1000 units, your profit is -20%
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[0:58] <hackery21Askmeab> Its not mini it is skinny
[0:59] <hackery21Askmeab> and criticism is appreciated
[0:59] <ReggieUK> not sure I understand the value of using a pi as a prototype in this venture?
[0:59] <Ibrahim> like a normal laptop but thinner
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[0:59] <Ibrahim> its cheaper
[0:59] <hackery21Askmeab> Fell free to suggest http://elinux.org/index.php?title=RaspberryPi_Laptop&action=edit&redlink=1
[0:59] <tzarc> tbh, I think I'd rather use my Air
[0:59] <_av500_> thin = cheap
[0:59] <_av500_> less material
[0:59] <_av500_> a no brainer
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> hah
[0:59] <hackery21Askmeab> Reggie: To prove that we are doing SOMETHING
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[0:59] <ReggieUK> but for what purpose is it cheaper to use a pi if you're going to have to redesign around the actual board you'll use?
[1:00] <curahack> ..
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: 'We must do something' 'This is something' 'we must do it'
[1:00] <ReggieUK> which means you could probably actually design a board with the sockets where you want them thus negating the need for all the dohickys in your picture last night
[1:00] <hackery21Askmeab> Reggie: People always like out of the box creations, meaning, just for fun
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[1:01] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Like != buy
[1:01] <Ibrahim> an dfor the sake of something new
[1:01] <curahack> seriously, I don't want to sound rough, but you don't want to spend anymore time on this, it's not going to work, it's not going to sell, it's not something people look forward too
[1:01] <hackery21Askmeab> Breakout bords
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: Breakout boards are around 4, possibly 5 orders of magnitude easier than what you are trying.
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[1:02] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: I can literally design and get sent off to a PCB firm a breakout board in around an hour.
[1:02] <IT_Sean> Erf... is he on the raspi laptop idea still?
[1:02] <hackery21Askmeab> curahack: Say that
[1:02] <Guest24764> I think they are trolls, no one is stupid enough to believe this is a good idea
[1:02] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, yup
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> hackery21Askmeab: A laptop will take several people a year of solid work.
[1:02] <IT_Sean> Seriousily, this is a stupid oidea.
[1:02] <IT_Sean> *idea
[1:02] <IT_Sean> noone is going to buy it
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> It's not a stupid idea.
[1:02] <curahack> Guest24764 might be right
[1:02] <curahack> * I hope at least
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> But it requires a _lot_ more preparation, and skills, and investment.
[1:02] <Guest24764> curahack: There is no might, I AM RIGHT
[1:02] <IT_Sean> It's a stupid idea fro a product that he wants to sell, IMO.
[1:03] <Guest24764> I'll buy one if it's ??10
[1:03] <hackery21Askmeab> RapberryPi is only in the prototype!
[1:03] <Guest24764> If only to extract the rpi
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> And then you run into the issue that if you are too slow in design - you start off with something cutting edge, and then are overtaken by the market before you sell it.
[1:03] <ReggieUK> If it's a student project then fine, it's an excercise into how to design and build stuff, not much in the way of direction or clear aims but it has a purpose
[1:03] <curahack> nowadays people buy fuckin phones with quad cores, people aren't interested in laptops with the power of a RPi, the PRi is a sucsess because it's a damn board people can play around with
[1:03] <ReggieUK> which isn't a useful laptop :D
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> You are _NOT_ going to win against chinese manufacture in stuff they are interested in.
[1:03] <hackery21Askmeab> It is mostly a student project
[1:04] <Guest24764> curahack: language timothy
[1:04] <_av500_> student project means the only expected result is a report
[1:04] <hackery21Askmeab> we will make A REAL COMPANY with boards containing of Intel and they wont be low cost
[1:04] <Ibrahim> just a project , just some expierence too
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[1:04] <hackery21Askmeab> a report for a scholorship
[1:04] <ReggieUK> hackery21Askmeab ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[1:04] <_av500_> what now? project or real company?
[1:05] <_av500_> maybe you should vote?
[1:05] <Ibrahim> both
[1:05] <curahack> BUSTEE333D
[1:05] <hackery21Askmeab> The Initial is a project
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> Medfield would be fun in a laptop.
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[1:05] <hackery21Askmeab> then we will move to consumers
[1:05] <Ibrahim> its a project that will become a company
[1:05] <hackery21Askmeab> after years of designing and prototyping
[1:05] <curahack> YEARS?!
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> You have perhaps a year.
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> Optimistically
[1:05] <curahack> LOL you think you have that time
[1:05] <ReggieUK> I thought you said you had funding?
[1:05] <hackery21Askmeab> Yes
[1:05] <hackery21Askmeab> yes
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> before this very device starts coming out of china.
[1:05] <_av500_> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm
[1:05] <curahack> before your done there will be new better things out
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> You need at least 5 million dollars.
[1:06] <Guest24764> trooooooooooollsss
[1:06] <_av500_> touhcbook was a beagle in a laptop case
[1:06] <_av500_> sold a few only
[1:06] <_av500_> was late
[1:06] <_av500_> did not work
[1:06] <ReggieUK> if so I'm not quite sure why you're brainstorming on the internet and talking to/paying real professionals to advise you properly
[1:06] <_av500_> etc...
[1:06] <ReggieUK> and not talking*
[1:07] <_av500_> obvious troll is ....
[1:07] <_av500_> but it was amusing at least
[1:07] <hackery21Askmeab> https://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNAhDRsm0OZ24Mbdnhq5jW_qDEfHW4p0twYqz6UvA2w3CzU4QppbyrOQ
[1:07] <hackery21Askmeab> maybe something like this in future
[1:07] <hackery21Askmeab> We arent trolls....
[1:07] <Guest24764> you should ban them being idiots
[1:07] <Ibrahim> with a bigger image
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[1:07] * curahack thinks your trilling the sh!t out of us
[1:08] <curahack> *trollin
[1:08] <IT_Sean> language, curahack
[1:08] <hackery21Askmeab> teradexcomputers.tk/
[1:08] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: if you are not trolling, you are delusional
[1:08] <hackery21Askmeab> website soon
[1:09] <Ibrahim> khan98150@yahoo.com please email me some sugggesstions
[1:09] <hackery21Askmeab> just a quick name
[1:09] <Guest24764> Do not use a .tk
[1:09] <_av500_> lol
[1:09] <Ibrahim> we already have a temp. website
[1:09] <Guest24764> .tk just makes you look like scam artists
[1:09] <hackery21Askmeab> while we incorporate our real one
[1:09] <hackery21Askmeab> .com ...
[1:09] <Guest24764> just shell out ??5 for a .com
[1:09] <hackery21Askmeab> ok
[1:09] <hackery21Askmeab> ibrahim go buy a .com
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[1:09] <Ibrahim> we were thinking of a com. name
[1:09] <tzarc> that's delegation! you're on your way!
[1:09] <Ibrahim> lol
[1:10] <curahack> this is amazing
[1:10] <curahack> troll level 100
[1:10] <Guest24764> is "thisisashitidea.com" taken?
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[1:10] <RaYmAn> teradex? You might want to change that name - seems kind of close to toradex (Who makes single-board DIMM module computers based amongst other things on tegra2)
[1:10] <tzarc> No match for "THISISASHITIDEA.COM".
[1:10] <tzarc> >>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 03 May 2012 23:08:40 UTC <<<
[1:10] <_av500_> lol: 01:08 <hackery21Askmeab > ibrahim go buy a .com
[1:10] <hackery21Askmeab> I told you its a temporary name
[1:10] <Ibrahim> ill buy a .com right now
[1:10] <_av500_> igor, get me a brain
[1:11] <Guest24764> _av500_: rofl
[1:11] <Ibrahim> lol
[1:11] <ReggieUK> I got your brain master
[1:11] <ReggieUK> what name was it?
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[1:11] <ReggieUK> abi something
[1:11] <ReggieUK> abi normal I think
[1:11] <hackery21Askmeab> Fire Computer
[1:11] <Ibrahim> email me at khan98150@yahoo.com for suggestions
[1:11] <Ibrahim> please
[1:11] <_av500_> sure
[1:12] <ReggieUK> no
[1:12] <_av500_> you like newsletters?
[1:12] <hackery21Askmeab> ....
[1:12] <Guest24764> I think my idea was better
[1:12] <Guest24764> _av500_: I think he wants some penis enlargement ads
[1:12] <hackery21Askmeab> av500@lgf.archos.com?
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[1:13] <ReggieUK> I think danieldaniels idea of dropping a hot soldering iron on a pi and throwing it away is a better idea
[1:13] <Guest24764> hackery21Askmeab: That isn't his email, that's his nick + his hostname
[1:13] <Guest24764> ReggieUK: Did he throw it away in the end?
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> It is not a bad idea.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> The problem is it is _hard_
[1:14] <Ibrahim> we have some help
[1:14] <Ibrahim> with some engeering
[1:14] <tzarc> you may have help on the technical side, but you certainly need help on the managerial side
[1:14] <Ibrahim> expeerts
[1:14] <Ibrahim> true true
[1:14] <Guest24764> It's not hard, you stick a screen ontop via the dsi, and make a case, and then you use some design magic to make it clip onto a car battery
[1:14] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, which is why it's a bad idea given that they're brainstorming on irc
[1:15] <ReggieUK> in fact they're not even brainstorming, just defending their position :D
[1:16] <Guest24764> Ibrahim: I am an expert on everything, I say it's a horrible idea and you should go home.
[1:16] <tzarc> alright, time for me to go design some low power pcb's
[1:16] * tzarc leaves for work
[1:16] <ReggieUK> will they be thin?
[1:17] <Guest24764> is 3 inches thin?
[1:17] <hackery21Askmeab> Guys we are just students making a quick project
[1:17] <Guest24764> quick?
[1:17] <ReggieUK> but you've also claimed to have backing and will setup a company
[1:17] <ReggieUK> so it's hard to take things seriously
[1:18] <Guest24764> Maybe you should be designing a moisture sensor instead
[1:18] <hackery21Askmeab> we hope it will be the start of our technological career
[1:18] <_av500_> a quick project that will take years
[1:18] <Ibrahim> yup
[1:18] <Ibrahim> a good expirience
[1:18] <hackery21Askmeab> we hope to make a company
[1:18] <hackery21Askmeab> soon
[1:18] <_av500_> a student project that is a real company
[1:18] <ReggieUK> are you sure this isn't for next weeks apprentice?
[1:18] <_av500_> with backing
[1:18] <Ibrahim> yup thats right
[1:18] <_av500_> in kickstarter
[1:18] <Guest24764> if you're not trolls then this will get you into massive debt
[1:19] <hackery21Askmeab> but we are starting with something small
[1:19] <_av500_> and cheap factories
[1:19] <hackery21Askmeab> and going big
[1:19] <_av500_> por chinese kids will assemble it
[1:19] <_av500_> poor*
[1:19] <Guest24764> *poooooor
[1:19] <ReggieUK> you're essentially trying to muscle in on the laptop market with a souped up arduino as a prototype
[1:19] <_av500_> Guest24764: all it will get them is no internet access for a week
[1:20] <_av500_> the laptop market is ripe for plucking
[1:20] <Guest24764> ReggieUK: Nah, the arduino is a usb gadget, the rpi is a usb host.
[1:20] <ReggieUK> arduino has usb host too apparently
[1:20] <ReggieUK> I've seen a shield
[1:20] <hackery21Askmeab> hmm
[1:21] <hackery21Askmeab> we are just starting
[1:21] <hackery21Askmeab> the RasPi laptop is a project
[1:21] <hackery21Askmeab> sorta a hobby
[1:21] <ReggieUK> so what's your timescale on the project and then company?
[1:21] <curahack> but soon a company (rofl)
[1:21] <hackery21Askmeab> but we are also doing a company
[1:21] <Ibrahim> yes reggieUK
[1:21] <hackery21Askmeab> a few months for the project
[1:22] <hackery21Askmeab> then with investors, a few more months (possibly a year maybe 2) for start of company
[1:22] <Guest24764> you could go on the dragons den
[1:22] <hackery21Askmeab> Then TV Ads
[1:22] <Ibrahim> and wah
[1:22] <sraue> then buy apple
[1:22] <ReggieUK> ahahaha
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[1:22] <Guest24764> what if no one wants to invest?
[1:23] <_av500_> I back it with $35 for a tshirt!
[1:23] <Ibrahim> we already have a few investors
[1:23] <_av500_> deal!
[1:23] <hackery21Askmeab> Like I said we have a potential investor
[1:23] <hackery21Askmeab> Raiyan Memon,Mahmoud Eid
[1:23] <curahack> HAHAHAHA
[1:23] <curahack> TV Ads
[1:23] <curahack> then buy apple
[1:23] <Guest24764> hackery21Askmeab: is he mentally retarded?
[1:23] <_av500_> Guest24764: no need for insults
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[1:24] <Guest24764> _av500_: this investor must be
[1:24] <_av500_> still
[1:24] <hackery21Askmeab> We are looking for productive criticism
[1:24] <Guest24764> either that or downs syndrome
[1:24] <hackery21Askmeab> Not this
[1:24] <Guest24764> hackery21Askmeab: the word you're looking for is constructive criticism.
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[1:24] <hackery21Askmeab> You ask the questions
[1:25] <hackery21Askmeab> we answer,
[1:25] <Guest24764> okay lets pretend we're on the dragons den
[1:25] <_av500_> what education do you have?
[1:25] <hackery21Askmeab> you suggest
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[1:25] <_av500_> and how old are yu?
[1:25] <_av500_> you
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[1:25] <Ibrahim> we know html and python
[1:25] <_av500_> and what school is this?
[1:25] <hackery21Askmeab> Me? Or other members
[1:26] <Guest24764> I'll be Peter Jones
[1:26] <_av500_> you
[1:26] <ReggieUK> Guest24764 there's no need for that!
[1:26] <Guest24764> ReggieUK can be Deborah Meaden
[1:26] <_av500_> what school is this?
[1:26] <_av500_> and how old are yu?
[1:26] <_av500_> and how old are you?
[1:26] <Guest24764> _av500_ can be Duncan Bannatyne
[1:26] <_av500_> sure
[1:27] <hackery21Askmeab> Education=Student age=13 school=HQA Scholorship for MIT
[1:27] <Guest24764> and curahack can be Theo Paphitis
[1:27] <Guest24764> 13?!?!?!
[1:27] <Guest24764> is that a typo?
[1:27] <Ibrahim> same here
[1:27] <hackery21Askmeab> not typo
[1:27] <_av500_> what is "QA Scholorship for MIT"?
[1:28] * curahack now understands why he shouldn't curse in here
[1:28] <Guest24764> Okay, so you're both thirteen year olds?
[1:28] <_av500_> together?
[1:28] <hackery21Askmeab> HQA is the school
[1:28] <hackery21Askmeab> yes
[1:28] <hackery21Askmeab> some others are 15
[1:28] <Ibrahim> yes
[1:28] <_av500_> scho
[1:28] <dmsuse> curahack: i'm sure their teacher hear worse...
[1:28] <_av500_> school where?
[1:28] <hackery21Askmeab> USA
[1:28] <curahack> ok, no offence, but seriously, you can't be serious
[1:28] <Guest24764> I declare this idea stupid.
[1:28] <_av500_> http://www.hqa1.org/
[1:29] <hackery21Askmeab> Not that
[1:29] <curahack> you do understand your going through puberty?
[1:29] <Guest24764> that's not a real school, a real school wouldn't use flash
[1:29] <Ibrahim> not that 1
[1:29] <_av500_> hackery21Askmeab: so what school is it?
[1:29] <hackery21Askmeab> We go to a private school
[1:29] <hackery21Askmeab> no site
[1:29] <hackery21Askmeab> HQA
[1:29] <_av500_> no site?
[1:29] <curahack> dude seriously
[1:29] <_av500_> right
[1:29] <Guest24764> hackery21Askmeab: and what does HQA stand for?
[1:30] <_av500_> I rest my case
[1:30] * eigoom thinks of getting into this conversation...but then thought better of it
[1:30] <_av500_> nice trolling
[1:30] <eigoom> I declare this conversation stupid.
[1:30] <_av500_> I give it a 6/10
[1:30] <hackery21Askmeab> We are doing the project for a MIT Scholorship
[1:30] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[1:30] <dmsuse> anyone here have a high powered laser?
[1:30] <_av500_> dmsuse: can it reach the usa?
[1:30] <Guest24764> hackery21Askmeab: you're not going to get the scholarship
[1:31] <hackery21Askmeab> High Quality Academy
[1:31] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.
[1:31] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.
[1:31] * hackery21Askmeab was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[1:31] * Ibrahim was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[1:31] <_av500_> ah right
[1:31] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:31] <_av500_> thx
[1:31] <Guest24764> I told you to ban them earlier
[1:31] <IT_Sean> Obvious troll was obvious.
[1:31] <dmsuse> _av500_: that was a question?
[1:31] <IT_Sean> Guest24764
[1:31] <IT_Sean> Relax.
[1:31] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[1:31] <Guest24764> that's me
[1:31] <_av500_> dmsuse: never mind, no need any more
[1:32] <curahack> IT_Sean use your banhammer D
[1:32] <Guest24764> now you need to ban curahack aswell
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[1:32] <curahack> for what?
[1:32] <dmsuse> _av500_: lol ?
[1:32] <Guest24764> existing
[1:33] * JeremyF (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Client Quit)
[1:33] <dmsuse> Guest24764: freenode isn't the british government you know, no need to take away peoples freedoms for no reason :P
[1:33] <Guest24764> dmsuse: But I want to
[1:33] <dmsuse> i saw these cool lasers 500mw and higher, considering getting one :D
[1:33] <dmsuse> i fear for my eyes though :-S
[1:34] <curahack> buy sexy sun glasses
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Just wear the proper goggles for that wavelength, and don't point it at your face or look into the emmitter
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[1:34] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: that's a given, but lasers bounce from surfaces :P
[1:35] <dmsuse> just wondering if they are really as cool as i imagine, wondering if anyone has ever tried one :P
[1:35] * IT_Sean adds "dont point it at shiny stuff" to the above comment
[1:35] <dmsuse> lol
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[1:35] <des2> I wouldn't fear for your eyes dmsuse, I'd fear for the other people's eyes.
[1:36] <Guest24764> http://adamusprime.tumblr.com/niccagehead
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[1:36] <dmsuse> des2: you would think :P
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[1:39] <dmsuse> okay i killed chat....
[1:39] <Guest24764> murderer
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[1:43] <des2> Killer laser beams tend to cause people to scatter....
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[1:59] * ChanServ sets mode +o ukscone
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[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> Seriously hate Verizon DSL
[2:07] <hotwings> no fios available in your area?
[2:07] * ukscone sets mode -i
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> No.
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> Plus my currnet aslam/dslam w/e is congested.
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[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> So the tech told me to call up the office and ask to be switched to an uncongested one, so now I have to go through all this crap with CS on the phone
[2:08] * Onlyodin (~came@connected.by.excess.net.au) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> AGAIN
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[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> I guess that'd make more sense if I say they sent out a tech.
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[2:14] <Guest24764> how long was the channel invite only?
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[2:14] <ReggieUK> about 30seconds
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> "Your tech told me to tell you there's congestion on the circuit I'm on and that I need to be switched to a new circuit" "Well I need to run line tests to see where the problem is please hold"
[2:18] <Guest24764> GabrialDestruir: Maybe they don't have the heart to tell you every other circuit is just as congested
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> Tech claimed they just fixed two dslams and they're uncongested.
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> Normally they're meant for lower teir speeds, but since he can't get any answers on when my dslam will be replaced, he wants to get me switched over to one of those.
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[2:24] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[2:26] <Guest24764> that's not a good idea
[2:26] <ReggieUK> for you maybe ;)
[2:27] * ReggieUK sets mode -o ReggieUK
[2:28] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
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[2:28] * ReggieUK sets mode -o ReggieUK
[2:33] <Guest24764> the night is dark and full of terrors
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> Like Reggie with Op? >.>
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[2:34] <Guest24764> Lettuce bans throughout the kingdom
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[2:35] <DaQatz> The salads will weep.
[2:36] <Guest24764> balsamic in the wind
[2:37] <ReggieUK> I like salad
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[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> "We don't know if your dslam is congested." "Yes we do your techs have been telling me that since January" "Well we don't know if the other dslams we just fixed are 7Meg capable" "Of course they either, otherwise they wouldn't be able to relieve the congestion of your oversold network" "Oh well uhm... I'll call your local office and it'll be taken care of tomorrow"
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> course they are*
[2:44] <IT_Sean> no FiOS where you are?
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> No
[2:45] <IT_Sean> bummer.
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[2:49] <IT_Sean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrj-EEnsacQ
[2:49] <IT_Sean> ^
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[2:54] <Crenn-NAS> So what type of RPi developments are going on currently?
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[2:57] <Guest10669> Crenn-NAS: Pi laptops
[2:57] <ReggieUK> my dad had an archie :)
[2:57] <ReggieUK> my dads mate was still using one about 5 years ago
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[3:01] <ukscone> wow been half an hour and ReggieUK hasn't kicked anyone yet :)
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[3:01] <ReggieUK> :)
[3:01] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: OH OH, PICK ME
[3:02] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqnfZ_su6I&feature=related
[3:03] <ReggieUK> shh, I'm lerning
[3:03] <Guest10669> this is the raspberrypi channel not the archimedes channel
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[3:04] <Crenn-NAS> That video was 3 seconds for me....
[3:04] <Guest10669> Crenn-NAS: 3 seconds of what?
[3:06] <Crenn-NAS> Reggie's video link
[3:07] <Guest10669> So? It's only supposed to be 3 seconds long.
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[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how much more effort it'd take to run a game if it's in a Compressed folder
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[3:09] <Guest10669> wouldn't it depend on the compression method?
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> Windows built in compression method on Windows 7?
[3:09] <Guest10669> truecrypt manages to decompress on the fly fairly quickly
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[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> Most of my stuff on my TB drive is compressed
[3:11] <Guest10669> why
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> To make space >.>
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> Because I can't afford another TB drive
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[3:12] <Guest10669> I'll sell you a perfectly good 1TB drive for $200
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[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> That's like double market value isn't it? .-.
[3:13] <Guest10669> I need to make a profit somewhere
[3:14] <Guest10669> Plus it includes shipping
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> With those outrages prices I might as well by a brand new one for 100
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> or a 2TB for the same cost.
[3:15] <Guest10669> I don't barter
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Sorry.... buy a 2TB for 3/4ths the price
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> or another 30 bucks ontop of 200 and I could get 3TBs
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> which would be fine and dandy if I weren't broke
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[3:16] <Guest10669> I'm not selling 3TB
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> Then you don't get the sell :p
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[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> First rule of business, sell for a profit.
[3:20] <Guest10669> Tell you what, I don't usually do this, but I'll throw in a usb humping dog
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> First rule of buying, go for the cheapest price point.
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> I'm tempted to scrap this junk folder... though I know the minute I do I'll need it -.-
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[3:22] <Guest10669> You're not fooling anyone
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> With what?
[3:22] <Guest10669> We all know it's not a junk folder.
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[3:23] <IT_Sean> porn folder.
[3:23] <IT_Sean> we all know. you can admit it.
[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs....
[3:23] <Guest10669> Why don't you just stream your porn like a normal person?
[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> people still have folders?
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[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> I just use redtube....
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[3:24] <IT_Sean> Isn't that what the Sent Faxes folder is for?
[3:24] <IT_Sean> storing pr0n?
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> That or convince some unsuspecting girl to go on webcam for me, by the time I'm done they won't know what hit them >.>
[3:25] <Guest10669> No, the porn folder is a truecrypt container disguised as a corrupt iso of payroll software
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> ^ That
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[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[3:26] * IT_Sean is off
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[3:27] <Crenn-NAS> Guest10669: I thought it was meant to be longer
[3:28] <Guest10669> Crenn-NAS: What?
[3:30] <Crenn-NAS> Don't worry
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGvXucbvT4
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[3:32] <Guest10669> GabrialDestruir: I do not like these people. I want to hit them.
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[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=1194
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[3:44] <RBlunderbuss> hrm..something is fishy with my RPi, it doesn't seem to be able to stay up and running for very long
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[4:03] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r my usb radio thingy shipped
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[4:15] <RBlunderbuss> anyone have experience getting xbmc working?
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[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Wow..... apparently it'll take 1 day to compress 253 GBs of data
[4:27] <ReggieUK> ha
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[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> Huh... apparently because I signed up for AdWords....
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> but then did nothing with my account...
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> I got a free $100 credit
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[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> $106 apparently
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> odd
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[5:09] <RBlunderbuss> man I wonder if my usb hub really sucks or something, my Pi has all sorts of finicky issues
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[5:11] <shirro> I think the Pi's usb driver has some finicky issues as well
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[5:11] <shirro> But power issues with usb kind of muddy things
[5:12] <RBlunderbuss> yeah
[5:12] <RBlunderbuss> I can't run my wifi without a hub
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[5:12] <RBlunderbuss> and I can't seem to run my wireless keyboard and the wifi at the same time without issue
[5:14] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: that could be rf interference if they are on similar frequencies
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[5:16] <RBlunderbuss> they are both 2.4 GHz I'm sure, but should it really cause that much of a problem?
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if this whole adwords to increase dropbox thing could work for Hulu too
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[5:19] <RBlunderbuss> shirro would changing the channel of my wireless network help that?
[5:19] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: I suspect Bluetooth probably doesn't as it frequency hops and stuff but if it is some cheapy with a proprietary protocol who knows what it does.
[5:19] <RBlunderbuss> if its truly the issue?
[5:20] <RBlunderbuss> shirro it's the TP link model that the tutorial exists for
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[5:30] <tntexplosivesltd> afternoon all
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[5:33] <mozzwald> RBlunderbuss: i cant seem to get usb working stable either
[5:34] <mozzwald> i even tried removing onboard ethernet driver but problems persist
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[5:44] <RBlunderbuss> mozzwald hrm, yeah - I thought I remember reading about a usb fix in the works or something at one point, but haven't heard since
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[5:50] <RBlunderbuss> mozzwald I kinda feel like we're waiting for updates - fedora remix is still buggy, right? and I think there may be firmware changes on the way too?
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> dunno about debian, but arch has had plenty of firmware updates, including the usb fix.
[5:57] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne really....hrmm....so perhaps it's time to try arch
[5:58] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne though that means getting everything setup again like wifi and whatnot ><
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a whole 5 minutes down the drain >=/
[5:59] <tntexplosivesltd> simple =D
[5:59] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
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[6:00] <tntexplosivesltd> arch is always being updated early
[6:00] <tntexplosivesltd> wooh
[6:00] <tntexplosivesltd> rolling-release ftw
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[6:02] <eigoom> double-edged sword when everything is upstream.
[6:03] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne if you know what you're doing, it is lol
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I never know what I am doing
[6:04] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne I thought debian was the recommended distro? has it become arch then/
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> debian is probably the easiest
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on who does the recommending
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> there were always three "recommended"
[6:04] <tntexplosivesltd> fedora, arch, and debian
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but debian is officially recommendier than the others
[6:05] <RBlunderbuss> ah ok
[6:05] <RBlunderbuss> debian is what I've been using
[6:05] <ShiftPlusOne> fedora is somewhat unrecommended even
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> I wou;dn't go there
[6:05] <tntexplosivesltd> * wouldn't
[6:05] <shirro> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware gets regular updates. You can copy the opt suff over and update the files in /boot since they aren't packaged in debian so no conflicts
[6:05] <RBlunderbuss> just because it's buggy still?
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Arch: "Note that this distribution may not be suitable for beginners."
[6:06] <shirro> just have to be careful not to overwrite your configs etc
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Fedora: "A little buggy, so for now we?re recommending beginners use Debian Squeeze."
[6:06] <RBlunderbuss> shirro so just copy opt to opt and then also the elf files to the boot sector?
[6:06] <tntexplosivesltd> I take it they mean beginners to linux?
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[6:06] <RBlunderbuss> I am a beginner to linux, for the most part
[6:06] <shirro> it is a developer release. so "try this and see if it works for you" kernel patches aren't going to go out every 5 minutes to beginners
[6:07] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: if you have usb problems what you really want is the latest kernel and modules
[6:08] <RBlunderbuss> shirro how do I go about doing that with debian? can I?
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[6:12] <shirro> You should be able to replace the kernel.img in boot. I haven't done it. That stuff exists outside of Debian for the moment. It might be wise to update the modules at the same time and I am not sure I want to talk someone through that over irc. You risk making your system not boot if something goes wrong so it is up to you
[6:12] <RBlunderbuss> shirro I have a full backup of my SD card so I'm fine experimenting with anything :P but if you don't want to talk me through it that's alright
[6:13] <shirro> People are testing the usb fixes in the kernel and they seem to help. There are also sysconf settings and linux command line setting sthat reduce some usb problems.
[6:13] <shirro> The discussion is here if you are interested: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[6:13] <RBlunderbuss> shirro all that sounds good - are there posts or tutorials to do that somewhere?
[6:13] <RBlunderbuss> cool ty
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[6:16] <RBlunderbuss> shirro does that thread discuss doing the kernel modules?
[6:16] <shirro> No.
[6:16] <RBlunderbuss> ok - can you link something that will help me with that if you don't want to?
[6:17] <ShiftPlusOne> RBlunderbuss, what do you need help with exactly? compiling your own kernel?
[6:18] <RBlunderbuss> ShiftPlusOne I'm trying to update the kernel and the modules. I believe that I can update the kernel just by copying kernel.img to my boot sector
[6:18] <shirro> The modules go in /lib/modules. Best to sudo mv /lib/modules/3.1.9+ //lib/modules/3.1.9+-old before copying over incase you want them back. Delete them later if it all works
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yes... unless the kernel version changes, I am sure you can keep the modules.
[6:18] <shirro> You should be able to keep the modules unless they have reconfigured a module dependency
[6:19] <RBlunderbuss> ok
[6:19] <shirro> It is unlikely they have changed the kernel config much. I think it is just a small patch to usb.
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[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> speaking of kernel config... is there any place to get 'THE' kernel config other than /proc ?
[6:20] <shirro> proc is best because you know it is the right one
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[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> do you? do you really?
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I get strange unpredictable configs coming from there =/
[6:22] <shirro> It would be nice to have the build config and system.map in /boot like they do with proper distros.
[6:22] <RBlunderbuss> shirro where do I get the new modules from?
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I thought you were silly when you first said it, but I have come to see the light
[6:23] <shirro> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules - if you don't have git or don't use it you can grap the whole of the firmware repo from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/downloads
[6:24] <RBlunderbuss> ah ok - I do have git setup on the RPI - so are these modules just read on boot? i.e. can I copy them on the RPI while it's running? or do I need to use another system?
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[6:26] <shirro> you should be able to do it while you are running but I think ShiftPlusOne is right. You probably don't need to as this is likely just a minor patch for usb
[6:27] <RBlunderbuss> shirro ok so don't bother with modules, but do copy over the new kernel.img
[6:27] <RBlunderbuss> shirro and that, I assume, must be done on another system?
[6:27] <shirro> yep. and the rescue and debug if you use them. or not if you don't
[6:27] <shirro> nope. you can do it live
[6:27] <shirro> the kernel is read at boot. you can overwrite the file and reboot
[6:28] <RBlunderbuss> ah ok
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[6:28] <RBlunderbuss> is it easy to access the boot partition then? I'm quite new to this, if you can't tell :P
[6:29] <shirro> it should already be mounted as /boot - you may need sudo to write to it
[6:30] <RBlunderbuss> k
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[6:43] <RBlunderbuss> shirro : so after copying the github /boot directory to my normal /boot directory, just reboot?
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[6:43] <shirro> well copy the contents and don't mess with your config.tx and stuff, yes
[6:44] <RBlunderbuss> shirro : I did: sudo cp /home/pi/firmware/boot/* /boot
[6:44] <RBlunderbuss> so I don't think I touched a config.tx
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[6:44] <shirro> probably did't want to change config.txt, boot.rc and cmdline.txt - and you may need to edit those
[6:45] <RBlunderbuss> ah whoops ><
[6:45] <shirro> if you haven't customised them should be ok
[6:45] <RBlunderbuss> I don't think I have...? All I've really done is install wifi
[6:45] <RBlunderbuss> and make some aliases
[6:45] <shirro> you are ok, they aren't in there anyway
[6:46] <RBlunderbuss> ok
[6:46] <shirro> might need to setup your start.elf again if you had a different memory split
[6:46] <RBlunderbuss> here goes then
[6:46] <RBlunderbuss> I don't think I did
[6:46] <RBlunderbuss> naw I didn't
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[6:57] <shirro> RBlunderbuss: verdict?
[6:57] <shirro> smoke?
[6:57] <RITRedbeard> are people blowing up their pis already?
[6:57] <tntexplosivesltd> topic
[6:58] <tntexplosivesltd> one has
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[7:06] <shirro> any aussies here?
[7:07] <tntexplosivesltd> whysat?
[7:07] <shirro> looking for an sd for their pi? http://www.zazz.com.au/daily/thingy/5819
[7:08] <shirro> I am happy with my sandisks personally
[7:08] <tntexplosivesltd> I wonder that class 10s are actually like with an OS on them
[7:08] <tntexplosivesltd> all that random access
[7:10] <shirro> I am using class 4. Once the usb issues are solved I think I will use usb for everything but boot
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[7:35] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: I'm not the aussie you're looking for
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[7:36] <Crenn-NAS> Also, that SD card won't work
[7:36] <Crenn-NAS> Most likely
[7:37] <Crenn-NAS> There is a problem with Class 10 cards and the Pi
[7:37] <Crenn-NAS> Unless that has been fixed
[7:37] <shirro> Supposedly though some people claim to be using class 10 and others to have had problems with other classes
[7:37] <Crenn-NAS> True
[7:38] <Crenn-NAS> I'm planning on getting a 16GB Class 6 card
[7:38] <shirro> I am happy to pay for known quality brand names. But some people love their bargain hunts
[7:38] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Fair enough
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[8:00] <Pyro3d> Hmm. I ordered from Farnell back in March, but still haven't heard anything about a delivery date...
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[8:00] <RITRedbeard> shirro, that kinda funny
[8:01] <RITRedbeard> because the reason why #raspberrypi has 360+ people and #beaglebone has 28 is due to price structure, somewhat
[8:01] <RITRedbeard> people have some bad ideas about what raspberry pi is able to do and they're going to be real damn disappointed, is another factor, the media hype
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[8:02] <Pyro3d> What do people think it can do?
[8:03] <shirro> make french fries apparently :-)
[8:03] <mozzwald> it can make coffee :)
[8:03] <Pyro3d> Over HTCPCP?
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[8:08] <RITRedbeard> it can be a HTPC or something
[8:08] <RITRedbeard> I have no idea
[8:09] <RITRedbeard> jump over tall buildings in a single bound?
[8:09] <RITRedbeard> you have to use thin applications if you intend to use it like, I dunno
[8:11] <Pyro3d> I think the HTPC stuff might be cause by "OMG IT HAZ HDMI!!!!11!!!!!"
[8:11] <Pyro3d> *caused
[8:12] <RITRedbeard> my interests are in a total 5vdc thin top style system
[8:12] <Pyro3d> Although, it might be capable of it. Might.
[8:12] <RITRedbeard> would be the bees knees
[8:13] <Pyro3d> Thin top system?
[8:13] <RITRedbeard> portable "thin client"
[8:13] <Pyro3d> Ah.
[8:14] <Pyro3d> Yeah, it should be great for that.
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> the current problem I'm stuck at is display... there are no affordable choices that meet the criteron for portability, size, and power
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> my guess is that if a MIPI/LVDS pcb comes out for it...
[8:15] <RITRedbeard> it's still going to be a pain because if you're resurrecting an old system it's got hungry backlight
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[8:15] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: yeah we found backlights all need 12V =(
[8:15] <tntexplosivesltd> well, ones from old laptops at least
[8:15] <RITRedbeard> exactly
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[8:16] <RITRedbeard> so unless micron wants to start making 800x600 microLEDs for dirt cheap with FLCoS or there are microOLEDs like that
[8:16] <RITRedbeard> it will be the stumbling block for a total 5vdc portable
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[8:17] <Pyro3d> Yeah. I'd probably just use it around campus if I were to go for that, and just jack a monitor, but that kinda defeats the purpose of keeping it to 5V.
[8:18] <RITRedbeard> it's do-able
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[8:18] <RITRedbeard> but the display has to be either expensive/not portable and sometimes both
[8:18] <RITRedbeard> and it's hookup is going to be via USB
[8:18] <RITRedbeard> data, I mean, too
[8:18] <RITRedbeard> so...
[8:19] <RITRedbeard> I mean you can get a pair of video goggles with composite input for $100 but they're crappy
[8:19] <Pyro3d> Displays are usually both expensive and not very portable... at least, from a college student's perspective.
[8:19] <RITRedbeard> lilliput makes monitors like we describe but they're more like, for car mounts
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> oh or laser projectors
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> affordable laser projection
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> because focus is not an issue
[8:20] <Pyro3d> Oh, like those tiny projectors I heard about a while ago...
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> you could make a rear or front projection screen inside the machine
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> but not a lot of traction
[8:21] <Pyro3d> How big do you want your system to end up?
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> 10.4" diag is the screen size
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> the physical specficiations are
[8:26] <Pyro3d> On another note, does anyone know how I'm supposed to contact Farnell about my order?
[8:28] <Pyro3d> I feel a little uncomfortable going through the comment system, as I've seen other people do...
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[8:40] <gordon_drogon> What Ho!
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[8:52] <Hydrazine> 'morning
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[8:56] <RITRedbeard> morn
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[8:59] <Iota> May the 4th be with you!
[9:01] <Pyro3d> That hurts.
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[9:08] <RITRedbeard> I sneak in my own house
[9:09] <RITRedbeard> it's four in the morning
[9:09] <RITRedbeard> I had too much too drink
[9:09] <RITRedbeard> said I was out with the boys
[9:09] <RITRedbeard> well it's only 3 AM
[9:10] <RITRedbeard> I forgot to pick up test battery for raspberry pi at the post office today
[9:10] <RITRedbeard> i'll do it today
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[9:13] <RITRedbeard> i'm sad I broke the input jack on my sansa clip+
[9:13] <RITRedbeard> not that it was particularly expensive but now I have to use tape or replace it
[9:15] <RITRedbeard> else the one channel goes dead :(
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[9:30] <Cheery> is there any artists here?
[9:34] <RITRedbeard> what kind of artise?
[9:34] <RITRedbeard> an artise of the strange kind?
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[9:34] <Cheery> I need one.. two. game sprites.
[9:34] <Mowee> Morning
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[9:34] <Cheery> perhaps sounds as well.
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[9:44] <RITRedbeard> not my kind of art :(
[9:44] <RITRedbeard> I deal with
[9:44] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure
[9:44] <Cheery> oh well. :(
[9:44] <Cheery> I have a plan though.. :)
[9:45] <RITRedbeard> you can gank some sprites
[9:45] <RITRedbeard> from square
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[9:45] <RITRedbeard> or something
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[9:50] <gordon_drogon> art - not my strong point...
[9:51] <Cheery> not mine either.. but it one thing to wonder about
[9:51] <Cheery> You know gimp takes ages to load on RPi?
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[9:58] <gordon_drogon> have to say, I've not tried GIMP on it - really probably wouldn't want to either ...
[9:58] <gordon_drogon> gimp takes ages to load on my desktop too )-:
[9:58] <gordon_drogon> it just seems to do lots of "stuff" at load time...
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[10:27] <tntexplosivesltd> Cheery: isn't there a site to get free game sprites
[10:27] <Cheery> tntexplosivesltd: yeah.. but I got a better idea.
[10:27] <tntexplosivesltd> like the art version of open source
[10:28] <gordon_drogon> i'm tasked with adding sprites to my basic project - the SDL libraries can import BMP files, but decent BMP file editors are ... scarce?
[10:29] <gordon_drogon> I have a plan to write the sprite editor in basic though...
[10:31] <tntexplosivesltd> gimp seems to be the norm =/
[10:31] <tntexplosivesltd> too bad it's massive
[10:33] <wjoe> can't tou use any other formats? SDL_image can handle other formats
[10:33] <wjoe> *you
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[10:49] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[10:50] <fALSO> hi
[10:50] <Cheery> hi
[10:52] <Lord_DeathMatch> just curious, (just got the "you may now order" email from rs-online), has anyone had any trouble with rs-online's auth code submit form?
[10:53] <gordon_drogon> not had anything from RS for a long time now )-:
[10:54] <gordon_drogon> I sis wonder if they were sharing their customer database with Farnell - as Farnell have taken my CC details, etc. but maybe I'm just being cynical :)
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[11:09] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/educational-applications/cheerys-pygame-tutorial#p73326
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[11:12] <esotera> Cheery: aren't you supposed to call pygame.init?
[11:12] <Cheery> esotera: I use only display functions, so I call pygame.display.init()
[11:14] <esotera> might be worth adding that in as a note, in case someone tinkers with the tutorial by adding something not in pygame.display
[11:15] <Cheery> esotera: okay. though not sure whether to tell it early or late. :)
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[11:15] <esotera> Cheery: i'd just add it as a footnote, everything else looks very understandable
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[11:33] <gordon_drogon> Hm. Still a few Pi's on eBay. Probably the last week or so that the sellers will make much of a profit on them.
[11:35] <fALSO> has anyone already made anything usefull with a pi ?
[11:37] <SBeans> danieldaniel made a paper weight
[11:37] <Hydrazine> xD
[11:37] <huene> lol. that's not nice, but funny
[11:37] <Veryevil> how did he manage that
[11:42] <CcSsNET> lol. 207$
[11:43] <CcSsNET> yea. on ebay they are certainly steep
[11:43] <huene> Veryevil: as far as i remember, he fried it when soldering. or so.
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[11:51] <flaushy> yeah, lost his solderiron and it hit the SoC
[11:55] <SBeans> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p4cc0/
[11:55] <SBeans> something like that?
[11:55] <Hydrazine> hehe
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[11:56] <huene> hrhr
[11:56] <SBeans> got confirmation today, my Pi in in transit to my home
[11:58] <ironzorg> lucky you :<
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[11:58] <Cheery> updated my tutorial https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
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[12:01] <SBeans> jsut to let you guys know, gets busy in here often which is good/bad, but there is another channel of the same name on irc.blatech.net
[12:01] <SBeans> if anyone wants a smaller, quieter room to discuss stuff
[12:01] <SBeans> but of course I will always idle here
[12:02] <Cheery> SBeans: I'm really happy to this room.
[12:02] <Cheery> SBeans: what do you think about the tutorial?
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[12:06] <SBeans> yea simple, and straight forward
[12:06] <SBeans> but Im a programmer by trade, but It looks simple enough
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[12:25] <tzarc> ahoihoi
[12:26] <Veryevil> My Second Raspberry Pi Just arrived!
[12:27] <tzarc> lol nice
[12:27] <haltdef> I hope you're injured in a car crash
[12:27] <haltdef> not killed, bit harsh
[12:27] <haltdef> bit of a cut lip will do
[12:27] <Veryevil> a bit harsh
[12:28] <haltdef> just got the "pls order" email from RS, not sure when they hope to get that dispatched
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: Congrats.
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Veryevil: I hope you get a mild earache for half an hour.
[12:32] <Veryevil> I am donating it to the Debian Hard Floating Point effort
[12:32] <Veryevil> so I'm not a Dick
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[12:32] <tzarc> Veryevil: I hope you high-five other people who use the armhf build.
[12:33] <Veryevil> gonna post it to plug wash
[12:33] <haltdef> I hate back my wish of minor injuries
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[12:36] <Veryevil> looks like i have serial number 51 and 1977
[12:36] <tzarc> assuming it's the last 3 digits, mine's 852
[12:36] <Veryevil> think its the last 4
[12:37] <tzarc> then it's 852 :P
[12:37] <Veryevil> ah farnell sticker different to RS
[12:37] <Veryevil> although they are both from china
[12:37] <tzarc> ahh
[12:38] <aditsu> Veryevil: oh hai, I hope you step on a lego :D
[12:38] <ollymorfik_> so unfair
[12:38] <SBeans> lego!
[12:38] <SBeans> fuck
[12:38] <tzarc> don't hate on him, if it's going to the armhf effort, you'll end up with part of it at some point
[12:38] <SBeans> I was meant to get lego before my PI arrived
[12:38] <SBeans> lego == case
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[12:39] <tzarc> I doubt it'll stay on armel for long after armhf is sorted
[12:39] <SBeans> either lego, or cheese, I want to carve out a block of cheese
[12:39] <SBeans> and then when the PI gets hot. the cheese will melt
[12:39] <SBeans> andI can eat the cheese
[12:39] <SBeans> Raspberry Pi Cheese Cake
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> SBeans: crackers
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> SBeans: Make it out of hollowed-out crackers.
[12:40] <SBeans> lol
[12:41] <Veryevil> this one runs about 45 deg C as well
[12:42] <SBeans> perfect for fondu
[12:42] <SBeans> ;)
[12:42] <SBeans> *fondue
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBH21IvSrc&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLBGlboO77mQ_IveRSyp9qpA - random cat hacking video
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[12:45] <tzarc> well, dinner sorted, and a weekend to screw with the pi
[12:46] <Veryevil> american pi style? dirty dirty man
[12:46] <tzarc> mmmmmmmmmmmmm tasty
[12:46] <SBeans> oh god
[12:46] <SBeans> just remebered:
[12:46] <SBeans> 3 day weekend
[12:46] <SBeans> \o/
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[12:48] <Hydrazine> looks like requesting a DMA is not too hard
[12:48] <Hydrazine> unfortunatly you request/lock a specific dma
[12:49] <chris_99> anyone else got an email from RS
[12:50] <RaYmAn> nope - what did it say?
[12:51] <chris_99> "We're delighted to inform you that you are now able to place your order for a Raspberry Pi model B board from RS Components. Please click on the button below"
[12:53] <Veryevil> Any one else had the problem where HDMI flashes on and off and on and off
[12:53] <tzarc> not I
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[12:54] <Veryevil> my new one is doing it and then it started to smell a bit
[12:54] <Hydrazine> o.0
[12:55] <Hydrazine> sounds bad
[12:55] <tzarc> just don't drop solder on it to see if it helps
[12:55] <Veryevil> its booted now
[12:55] <gurgalof> yey got a mail from RS
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[12:56] <Veryevil> rebooted an no HDMI
[12:56] <Veryevil> boots fine
[12:57] <Veryevil> e.g. serial output leds and everytrhing
[12:57] <Veryevil> I've had this problem with my other one but I changed the HDMI cable and it seemd to go away
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[13:01] <tzarc> so it is just me, or does the emergency kernel not actually boot
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[13:30] <tzarc> mmm, I should really sort out cross-compiling the kernel instead of doing it in a chroot
[13:30] <tzarc> >_<
[13:32] <tzarc> at least the initramfs is working properly now
[13:33] <SBeans> yes, yes you should ;_)
[13:33] <SBeans> *;)
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[13:35] <Veryevil> still can only get hdmi working 1 in 10 boots
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[13:51] <Veryevil> problem was the lasted debian image. guessing there is a problem in the blobs
[13:52] <Veryevil> went back to the prev one and it works fine
[13:53] * gordon_drogon is here again.
[13:54] <gordon_drogon> got my unit on the skpang board properly now
[13:54] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
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[14:03] <gordon_drogon> hm. I got some new LEDs - and they're much brighter than my old ones (which must be at least 30 years old)
[14:03] <gordon_drogon> maybe LEDs wear out... or the light emitting technology has improved...
[14:03] <IT_Sean> THe technology has inproved
[14:03] <IT_Sean> Early LEDs were quite a lit dimmer than modern ones.
[14:03] <IT_Sean> *lot
[14:04] <dmsuse> smd led's are da bomb
[14:04] <gordon_drogon> these are bog standard 5mm biggies!
[14:04] <gordon_drogon> just measured 4.5mA
[14:05] <dmsuse> i dont like the bog standard leds they barely kick out any light
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[14:06] <Dagger2> I wish they'd stick bog standard LEDs in stuff then. I have to go around with a roll of electrical tape and cover them all up otherwise :/
[14:06] <gordon_drogon> heh - I'm now considering increasing the series resistors I'm using!
[14:06] <gordon_drogon> 330 ohm currently.
[14:07] <dmsuse> what will that do?
[14:07] <gordon_drogon> if I increase the resistance it'll make them a bit dimmer.
[14:07] <dmsuse> ah
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> although 4.5mA coming out of the pins on the Pi is nothing much, so I might not bother.
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> I suppose I should work out what I should be using :)
[14:08] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: want to see a really dim LED? The LED idiot lights in my car are barely visible in daylight :p
[14:08] <dmsuse> sure
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[14:09] <dmsuse> i just bought some led lightbulbs on ebay to put in my car, still waiting for delivery
[14:09] <dmsuse> i hope those arnt dull :-S
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> hm. reckons it ought to be 20mA
[14:10] <IT_Sean> 'course, my car is nearly as old as i am, so...
[14:10] <IT_Sean> old LEDs :p
[14:11] <dmsuse> can't be that only surely ;)
[14:11] <dmsuse> *old
[14:12] <dmsuse> damn i always fail on typos with the good jokes :P
[14:12] <dmsuse> let's see it then
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[14:12] <IT_Sean> 1986
[14:13] <dmsuse> thats the same age as me :P
[14:13] <IT_Sean> It's one year newer than me. :p
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[14:13] <gordon_drogon> hm. 47 ohm to get 20mA through it. that's gonna be bright... lets test it :)
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[14:14] <Veryevil> whats the voltage drop of the LEDs?
[14:14] <dmsuse> its going to blow :O
[14:14] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/1519/dscn1777.jpg
[14:15] <dmsuse> uh, the lights are on?
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> um... no.
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> yup. visibly brighter - but not by much. not worth it for 4x the current IMO.
[14:15] <Kolin> is that a 625 IT_Sean ?
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> they're rated at 2.5v max.
[14:15] <IT_Sean> Kolin: 535
[14:16] <Veryevil> Vforward?
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[14:16] * gordon_drogon nods.
[14:16] <Kolin> Love the old BMWs
[14:16] <Veryevil> what vcc you running them from
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> 3.3
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> off the Pi.
[14:16] <dmsuse> i use to have a z3
[14:16] <IT_Sean> Whel, Kolin, to be more accurate... It rolled out of the factory as a 535... By BMW's nomenclature it'd be a 540 now.
[14:16] <Veryevil> the PI wont be able to put out 20mA
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> well, Pi GPIO output pin to ground..
[14:16] <Veryevil> on a gpio
[14:16] <dmsuse> http://images.mafiacrime.org/z3.jpg
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> er...
[14:17] <gordon_drogon> heh I've managed to get it to source 35ma..
[14:17] <Kolin> i hope your female dmsuse
[14:17] <Kolin> :P
[14:17] <Veryevil> yeah but I wouldnt recommend it
[14:17] <IT_Sean> heh
[14:17] <dmsuse> Kolin: no :(
[14:17] <IT_Sean> it's a red zed!
[14:17] <gordon_drogon> not - I'd not recomend it either.
[14:17] <dmsuse> with manly m3 wheels!
[14:17] <IT_Sean> and silly chrome :p
[14:17] <gordon_drogon> I did try playing with the programmable current limiter on the output pads, but it didn't seem to make any difference
[14:17] <dmsuse> lol
[14:18] <gordon_drogon> but I could me missing something obvious...
[14:18] <dmsuse> i put led strips in the chrome on the side.... pink strips lol... it was advertised as red :(
[14:18] <Kolin> :/
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[14:18] <IT_Sean> -.-
[14:19] * IT_Sean revokes dmsuse's Man Card entirely
[14:19] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: your lady parts will arrive via FedEx in 3 to 5 weeks. Please install parts as instructed, and return your current equipment using the included prepaid mailing label.
[14:20] <dmsuse> lol
[14:20] <gordon_drogon> cars )-:
[14:21] <gordon_drogon> I have a nice little car though. I quite like it. It has useless flappy paddles on the steering wheel though.
[14:21] <Kolin> what is it?
[14:22] <gordon_drogon> which are OK until you turn the wheel more than 1/4 a turn, then you can't find them as they're on the wheel )-:
[14:22] <gordon_drogon> it's a Smart for 4.
[14:22] <dmsuse> lol
[14:22] * IT_Sean stamps a demerit on the back of gordon_drogon's man card
[14:22] <gordon_drogon> I leave it in auto almost all the time.
[14:22] <dmsuse> i like the smart for2 and was going to get one just for the flappy paddle
[14:23] <IT_Sean> the autotragics in the smarts are horrible.
[14:23] <gordon_drogon> it gets confused on roundabouts occasionally.
[14:23] <tzarc> i have a mini cooper in british racing green.
[14:23] <tzarc> JCW
[14:23] <gordon_drogon> new one or a proper one?
[14:24] <tzarc> new
[14:24] <gordon_drogon> I don't have the time or energy anymore to fiddle with cars.
[14:24] <dmsuse> gordon_drogon: you mean the new one, rubbish fake one or the propper one?
[14:24] <Kolin> I have an audi A3 really want to change it though
[14:24] <gordon_drogon> I meant the proper 1960's one.
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[14:25] <gordon_drogon> I used to do lots of tuning & tweaking, but I don't have garage facilities anymore.
[14:25] <gordon_drogon> and I like the fact that I can leave my car for a week, get in it and it starts!
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[14:27] <dmsuse> oooo my mifi just came in the post, im so happy :D
[14:28] <gordon_drogon> cant you just use your phone in hotspot mode?
[14:28] <jr8800> anyone in au got their raspberries yet?
[14:28] <dmsuse> gordon_drogon: i cant figure out how to jailbreak android
[14:29] <gordon_drogon> hm. my phone didn't need jailbeaking to hotspot - it came with the software pre-installed.
[14:29] <gordon_drogon> however I don't buy contract phones ..
[14:29] <Kolin> mine allows it to gordon_drogon
[14:29] <gordon_drogon> it's an HTC Desire Z
[14:29] <Kolin> on contract with O2
[14:29] <Kolin> with a Nexus S
[14:29] <dmsuse> mine requires either you pay or jailbreak it
[14:30] <dmsuse> i have jailbroken an android before, but to do it on this old crappy phone i have is impossible
[14:30] <gordon_drogon> I'm with O2 - I thought they didn't lock down their contract phones though.
[14:30] <Matt> morning
[14:31] <gordon_drogon> aftermorning here...
[14:31] <dmsuse> im with tmobile and have unlimited internet for free :D
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[14:31] <dmsuse> pay and go too
[14:31] <Matt> i used to be with O2
[14:32] <gordon_drogon> try actually using unlimited access - I think you'll soon find that there is an AUP somewhere...
[14:32] <dmsuse> gordon_drogon: yeah i got past that easily :P
[14:32] <dmsuse> at one point i was going 8gb per day ;)
[14:32] <dmsuse> *doing
[14:32] <gordon_drogon> How?
[14:32] <Matt> originally I was with Cellnet :)
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[14:32] * IT_Sean sticks a prepaid vodafone SIM with ??3 of credit on it in dmsuse's left ear
[14:32] <gordon_drogon> I don't even do 8GB/day on my ADSL line.
[14:33] <dmsuse> gordon_drogon: i use a socks server to my dedicated, anything passed through a proxy bypasses their fair usage silly stupid popup messages and does not limit the speed
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[14:33] <dmsuse> uhoh, the fan in my laptop just made a really bad sounding noise
[14:33] <IT_Sean> EEP!
[14:33] <ReggieUK> did it go 'hubbahubbahhubbah'
[14:34] <dmsuse> no
[14:34] <gordon_drogon> what processor in it? if it's atom it's probably OK to about 90-95C.
[14:34] <IT_Sean> or did it go 'ronk ronk ronk ronk' ?
[14:34] <dmsuse> sounded similar to "reggie reggie reggie" :P
[14:34] <dmsuse> sounded like its catching on something
[14:34] <ReggieUK> or sploink KERLUNK
[14:34] <drazyl> or aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[14:34] <ReggieUK> or just wibble
[14:34] <dmsuse> gordon_drogon: i3
[14:34] <gordon_drogon> dust bunnies :)
[14:35] <IT_Sean> eeew. I have cleaned out some DISGUSTING laptops in my day.
[14:35] <gordon_drogon> ah well, it'll just self thermal throttle and get slower and slower...
[14:35] <IT_Sean> Had one come in that kept overheating and shutting off...
[14:35] <gordon_drogon> some cool photos on the old el. Reg pages of dirty PCs :)
[14:35] <dmsuse> lol
[14:35] <IT_Sean> it was completly impacted with dust, hair, and fluff.
[14:36] <ReggieUK> pet owners are the worst
[14:36] <IT_Sean> like, there was not room inside for even one more molecule of dust
[14:36] <dmsuse> i thought about getting some high pressure gas in a can instead of taking it apart :(
[14:36] <dmsuse> lol
[14:36] <gordon_drogon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/
[14:37] <gordon_drogon> ones in houses with both smokers and pets are the worst. ugh.
[14:37] <gordon_drogon> time to try driving 2 LEDs of the PWM output on the Pi...
[14:38] * ReggieUK smokes but doesn't have pets
[14:39] <Matt> PCs from places where theres cigarette smoke are nasty
[14:39] <dmsuse> what do cigarettes do? surely they cant make dust
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[14:39] <Matt> tar
[14:39] <Matt> a) they stink
[14:39] <Matt> and b) gums up all the fans
[14:40] <Matt> and leaves a film over everything else
[14:40] <dmsuse> i smoke and have never notice any tar anywhere, they must have been some really heavy smokers :O
[14:40] <Caver> depends on the brand quite a bit too
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> This is because your eyes are covered in a thin layer of tar.
[14:40] <Caver> and if you open the windows!
[14:41] <dmsuse> SpeedEvil: maybe ;)
[14:41] <Kolin> smoke really does make the dust sticky
[14:42] <Kolin> my home computers are horible compaired to work ones
[14:42] * Caver looks at keyboard
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[14:42] <Caver> yeah!
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[14:44] <IT_Sean> i charged tripple rate for smoker's PCs
[14:44] <gordon_drogon> good if you can get it... :)
[14:44] <gordon_drogon> do you tell them?
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[14:46] <IT_Sean> Of course
[14:46] <haltdef> filthy smokers
[14:46] <Caver> yup tax us to the grave
[14:47] <haltdef> better you lot than me tbh
[14:47] <Matt> there's a simple way to avoid paying so much
[14:48] <Caver> always .. buy from europe :)
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[14:48] <Matt> or... not buy at all?
[14:48] <Caver> bahahahahhahahah
[14:48] <Caver> good one
[14:49] <haltdef> I don't get why it's so popular
[14:49] <Caver> chemical addiction mainly
[14:49] <haltdef> I'm going to spend many monies so I can breathe in various drugs and poison
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[14:49] <haltdef> FANTASTIC IDEA
[14:49] <Caver> there isn't much that is rational about it
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[14:49] <haltdef> I know addiction makes you unable to stop, what makes you start initially? :P
[14:50] <Caver> it's relaxing!
[14:50] <fALSO> smoking problem ?
[14:50] <fALSO> well sirs, i stoped smoking via an AUDIO BOOK
[14:50] <fALSO> allen carr - stop smoking
[14:50] <fALSO> havent touched it for more than 2 years now
[14:50] <Caver> well done :)
[14:51] <haltdef> so is a nice cup of coffee
[14:51] <fALSO> if anyone here is thinking of giving up of smoking
[14:51] <fALSO> that HELPS
[14:51] <Caver> I stopped for 4 years, then ... sufficent stress!
[14:51] <fALSO> its not a cure, but it HELPS
[14:51] <haltdef> far cheaper and less addictive
[14:51] <fALSO> i still smoke joints tough :-)
[14:51] <haltdef> also you don't stink afterwards
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[14:52] <Matt> ahha!
[14:52] <IT_Sean> speaking of stink... a smoker just walked past my office. :/
[14:52] <IT_Sean> fhpew
[14:52] * Matt pats his phone
[14:52] <Matt> good tune :)
[14:52] <IT_Sean> O_o
[14:52] <fALSO> smoking on the office ?
[14:52] <fALSO> in portugal since like ... 5 years ago i think
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[14:53] <Matt> let's see if it's on youtube
[14:53] <fALSO> its prohibited to smoke on closed spaces
[14:53] <IT_Sean> fALSO: no. Must have smoked outside, then come in
[14:53] <fALSO> ahhh
[14:53] <Matt> fALSO: more likely just a smoker
[14:53] <fALSO> i cant sense that
[14:53] <IT_Sean> you can't smoke in any indoor space here.
[14:54] <Caver> they were muttering about banning it in cars
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[14:54] <Caver> in case parents affect their children
[14:54] <gordon_drogon> Hm. Lunchtime.
[14:54] <fALSO> yap, in portugal too
[14:54] <Caver> which is fine, but I don't have any!
[14:54] <fALSO> that doesnt make any sense
[14:54] <haltdef> if it were up to me I'd ban it everywhere aside from *inside* your own home
[14:54] <Caver> what about farting in public?
[14:55] <haltdef> choke on your own shit, ta
[14:55] <fALSO> then ban alcohol too
[14:55] <Caver> yup
[14:55] <fALSO> its much worse
[14:55] <Caver> it's a slippery slope
[14:55] <fALSO> and cars exhausts too
[14:55] <xranby> is the forum broken? i get a internal server error 500 when i try to post
[14:55] <Caver> oh completely
[14:55] <IpNextGen> wazzap here?
[14:55] <haltdef> pisses me off when some twat's smoking in front of me on the street, goes right in my face
[14:55] <Matt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7lYGbcwGFg
[14:55] <IpNextGen> Some north americans got their raspberry yet?
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[14:56] <IT_Sean> If it were up to me, i'd ban it entirely.
[14:56] <Matt> IT_Sean: generates too much tax revenue
[14:57] <haltdef> or put something in them that kills the smoker a lot quicker than they normally would
[14:58] <haltdef> say, 3 hours
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[15:01] <Caver> subsides the NHS too
[15:01] <Turingi> having kids is terrible for the environment, apparently
[15:01] <Caver> heheh shhh
[15:01] <Turingi> worse than having a few dozen cars
[15:01] <Caver> yup
[15:01] <Caver> best thing I can do enviromentally is not breed
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[15:03] <Caver> anyway back to Pi's and great for introducing kids to programming :)
[15:04] <Cheery> :)
[15:11] <fALSO> how ?
[15:11] <fALSO> how the pi is great to introducing kids to programming
[15:11] <Caver> show them scratch?
[15:11] <fALSO> using X at 2fps ?
[15:12] <Caver> for scratch?? big deal!
[15:12] <Kolin> its worse than just about any other computer for teaching kids programing
[15:12] <IT_Sean> it's sort of the whole point of the Pi, fALSO. It's a cheap programming platform that can be widely distributed, and it's inexpensive enough tat kids don't have to worry about bricking it
[15:12] <Kolin> but at leased you can buy a hundred of them and teach lots of kids at once
[15:12] <aditsu> yeah I was also wondering about that myself.. the Pi is great for introducing kids to computers and Linux, but if they already have a computer, it probably won't do a lot
[15:13] <Caver> then maybe it's not for yuo
[15:13] <Dagger2> it does remove the (apparently crippling) fear of breaking the computer though
[15:13] <blast007> aditsu: besides the fact that they child could have their own and take it home and not risk screwing up their parent's computer
[15:14] <aditsu> yesh, it does enable them to have their own computer
[15:14] <Kolin> I dont think ive ever physicaly broken a computer via software
[15:14] <fALSO> it_sean, you can do it on a regular pc too, without bricking it
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[15:15] <aditsu> er.. how in the world did I write "yesh"? :o
[15:15] <fALSO> how can you "break" a computer by using a programming language ?
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> lishp.
[15:15] <Dagger2> Kolin: no, neither have I, but I *was* reprimanded at school for hitting DEL during startup on a computer with no BIOS password set
[15:15] <Cheery> fALSO: by hacking it
[15:15] <Caver> format c: was the usuall classic
[15:15] <Dagger2> the problem is the fear, not the actual reality
[15:15] <Caver> rm -rf /
[15:15] <fALSO> if you guys cant get 2d to work correctly on X, imagine teachers
[15:15] <Kolin> They didnt like it much when i stuck a magnet to the side of a monitor at school
[15:15] <fALSO> that will work on the pi too
[15:15] <Kolin> but a rpi wont help with that :)
[15:16] <Hexxeh> anyone else get an email from RS today letting them order?
[15:16] <tzarc> win, can now boot off a disk image sitting on a usb stick
[15:16] <Caver> or my personal one, playing with C, and accidently over wrote cyclinder zero
[15:16] <Caver> so screwed up the bootloader
[15:16] <fALSO> caver,
[15:16] <fALSO> well
[15:16] <Caver> thats how I learnt about fdisk /mbr :)
[15:16] <fALSO> on the pi that can be done too
[15:16] <fALSO> so, nothing different than a pc
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[15:16] <Caver> yup but on the Pi it's a lot easier to reset the SD card
[15:17] <fALSO> and btw... running apps as root
[15:17] <Caver> in my case I had my upset dad shouting at me as he wanted his excel spreadsheets back
[15:17] <fALSO> is not that that smart
[15:17] <Caver> as it didn't show up until I'd closed it down
[15:17] <Caver> anyway you did ask - and it does happen, especially with budding programmers
[15:17] <Caver> ask Linus!
[15:18] <fALSO> that "help kids learn programming" wont stick
[15:18] <fALSO> at least until the pi is working
[15:18] <Caver> thats partly why linux got made better, he screwed up and over wrote his MINIX setup
[15:18] <fALSO> and theres documentation for teachers
[15:18] <aditsu> haha, Linus dialed his hard disk
[15:18] <Caver> true
[15:18] <gordon_drogon> the sad thing about teaching programming is that every school has dozens of good PCs that are crippled and locked down so they won't boot anything other than the approved MS OS )-:
[15:18] <Caver> if he can do it ... why can't other kids
[15:18] <Caver> yup
[15:18] <fALSO> yap
[15:18] <blast007> gordon_drogon: every generalization is true. oh wait.
[15:19] <Caver> with a Pi they want to try wild stuff running as root - let 'em!
[15:19] <fALSO> you cant install lots of programming languages on MS OS
[15:19] <Caver> it's an easy rescue if it screws up
[15:19] <fALSO> even without administrator privileges
[15:19] <xranby> it might be that the "aha" moment when you get to understand whats going on is when you first break it
[15:19] <Caver> that to me sounds like freedom
[15:19] <gordon_drogon> I only found out recently that they schools PC are tightly locked down.
[15:19] <blast007> fALSO: like what?
[15:19] <gordon_drogon> is state schools, anyway.
[15:19] <fALSO> python ?
[15:19] <fALSO> perl ?
[15:19] <fALSO> c ?
[15:19] <Cheery> unless you fuck down, blaze and burn up the hardware, the software fix is DD on an SD card.
[15:19] <Caver> hehe yeah probably stop me making that error
[15:19] <blast007> um, all of those run on Windows
[15:20] <Cheery> I like that a lot on RPi
[15:20] <fALSO> and everywhere
[15:20] * Caver too
[15:20] <Cheery> the teachers might have those SD cards a small stack in a box. :)
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> Cheery: That's only really relevant for OS development, not application development
[15:20] <Cheery> preformatted
[15:20] <Cheery> and preimaged
[15:21] <blast007> fALSO: give me a real example of a programming language that you can't run/compile on Windows.
[15:21] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: actually.. who knows what software are you doing?
[15:21] <Caver> SpeedEvil, have you ever screwed up?
[15:21] <fALSO> blast007, did i say that ?
[15:21] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: also, who knows what you'll compile and run?
[15:21] <Caver> what if you fancy making your own filesystem
[15:21] <blast007> you gave ones that were not valid.
[15:21] <Hexxeh> yay, third raspberry pi on it's way. now to pick a developer to send it on to :D
[15:21] <fALSO> blast007, tell me where i said that
[15:21] <Cheery> blast007: some fancy LISP.
[15:21] <aditsu> fALSO you cant install lots of programming languages on MS OS
[15:21] <gordon_drogon> you can run lots under windows, but they prevention of ICT department won't let you...
[15:21] <fALSO> i meant, can
[15:21] <fALSO> sorry
[15:21] <fALSO> english isnt my main language
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Caver: On a sane OS, running a random executable without ecessive perms should not be harmful.
[15:21] <blast007> fALSO: python, perl, php, javascript, C/C++, C#, Java, etc all run/compile on Windows.
[15:21] <fALSO> i know
[15:22] <fALSO> i meant : CAN
[15:22] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: true.
[15:22] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: though you have things like /home/important_files :P
[15:22] <gordon_drogon> in some schools they physically remove the CD rom/DVD drives.
[15:22] <aditsu> Hexxeh: me me me me me
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[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Cheery: True
[15:22] <Hexxeh> gonna send it to somebody who can write us the xorg drivers
[15:22] <blast007> fALSO: maybe I'm just not seeing your point or misunderstanding what you were saying.
[15:22] <fALSO> you will still need a keyboard, mouse, monitor
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[15:22] <fALSO> so if you can touch the PC
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[15:22] <fALSO> they wont let you use that hardware too
[15:23] <aditsu> Hexxeh: I can (but I know absolutely nothing about it yet)
[15:23] <Caver> hey it's not for everyone!
[15:23] <Caver> and if it's not for you, then great
[15:23] <gordon_drogon> I think I was lucky to get to play with computers, etc. at school before the bad-time started.
[15:23] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[15:23] <Cheery> further updates. :)
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[15:24] <Caver> yeah me too with the Archimedes
[15:24] <gordon_drogon> Apple II at my school - and a dial-up teletype to the local computing centre..
[15:24] <Caver> I used to disassemble comercial programs for the fun of it, and try and understand what was happening
[15:24] <gordon_drogon> which we were encouraged to visit once a week if we could.
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[15:24] <Matt> I was lucky, my dad brought home a ZX Spectrum back in 84 or so
[15:24] <Caver> and *ahem* see how the copy control worked!
[15:25] <Caver> but that kind of curosity was possible
[15:25] <Caver> and sure isn't with modern setups
[15:25] <fALSO> matt, i started with a 48k zx spectrum too
[15:25] <fALSO> :-)
[15:25] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: how did you get three? I just got my second one but three?
[15:25] <Matt> fALSO: fun little boxen, but awful keyboards :)
[15:25] <fALSO> yap, rubber keys
[15:25] <Hexxeh> Vazde: my girlfriend ordered one
[15:25] <Matt> although some of the keys still stick in my head
[15:25] <Cheery> how do you already have two of them lol?
[15:25] <Hexxeh> she just got an email from rs online today offering her the chance to order
[15:26] <Hexxeh> dispatched within 7 days
[15:26] <Cheery> I still have zero :D
[15:26] <huene> me too :/
[15:26] <Matt> like J being LOAD and SymbolShift-P being "
[15:26] <fALSO> load ""
[15:26] <fALSO> let a = 0
[15:26] <gordon_drogon> I've a friend who repairs/refurbished spectrums.
[15:26] <Matt> and IIRC caps-symbol-1 was EDIT
[15:26] <Veryevil> My second one is going to Debian HF so I got to pick a worthy developer
[15:26] <fALSO> print at 1,1 "HELLO"
[15:26] <fALSO> ehehe :-P
[15:27] <aditsu> my Pi should arrive around the end of May.. sigh.. the wait...
[15:27] <Matt> or was it just shift 1 :)
[15:27] <gordon_drogon> I never really got into them having gone down the 6502 route - Apple, BBC, etc.
[15:27] <Matt> fALSO: I spend many, many hours punching programs into that thing
[15:27] <fALSO> hehe
[15:27] <fALSO> me too
[15:27] <fALSO> from magazines
[15:27] <tzarc> well, I'm not booting cleanly off squashfs rootfs images on a USB stick
[15:27] <Matt> and drawing stuff with LINE and CIRCLE and whatnot
[15:27] <Caver> heheh does anyone remember Dixons on a saturday morning, with everyone doing the 10 PRINT "Rude word", 20 GOTO 10
[15:27] <tzarc> might call it a night
[15:27] <tzarc> now*
[15:27] <fALSO> line circle and PLOT
[15:27] <fALSO> heh
[15:28] <Matt> aye :)
[15:28] <fALSO> INK 1, PAPER 2
[15:28] <fALSO> BORDER 0
[15:28] <fALSO> heh
[15:28] <ReggieUK> caver,o/
[15:28] <gordon_drogon> I was too old for that :)
[15:28] <Matt> and then working out that you could save the screen contents to tape
[15:28] <Caver> grins
[15:28] <fALSO> screen$
[15:28] <Cheery> Caver: I used to do so. :)
[15:28] <Caver> was there a print screen thing?
[15:28] <fALSO> matt, i feel old
[15:28] <Caver> can't remember!
[15:28] <gregrob> I always hated typing in programs from magazines. It always took at least two tries to get it right.
[15:28] <fALSO> hehehe
[15:28] <ReggieUK> I also remember chr$
[15:28] <Caver> lol if you remember that, you *are* old!
[15:28] <Matt> see, *this* is what the Pi is meant to do for kids now :)
[15:28] <fALSO> chr$ was for the UDG
[15:28] <Matt> and that's why I'm so excited by it
[15:28] <fALSO> user defined graphics
[15:29] <ReggieUK> and one lad in the club getting really annoyed cos he thought everyone was writing his name into their code
[15:29] <ReggieUK> chris
[15:29] * Caver wonders how many FPS the BBC Model B got
[15:29] <fALSO> well, im 29 now
[15:29] <ReggieUK> funnily enough, he went on to be a brick layer
[15:29] <Caver> *sniggers*
[15:29] <Matt> cause python/ipython makes a lot of this just as accessible
[15:29] <fALSO> sort of old :-P
[15:29] <Matt> fALSO: I'm 31, so you're not that old :)
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[15:30] <ReggieUK> Caver, it was fast enough to play 'elite' at a reasonable framerate
[15:30] <ukscone> ypur both young whippersnappers now gwt off my lawn
[15:30] <drazyl> who let the children out?
[15:30] <fALSO> whippersnappers ol
[15:30] <Caver> yeah .. which everyone at the time, said was a true miracle of programming
[15:30] <Matt> ukscone: lol
[15:30] <Caver> revs, chucky egg, aviator - good old vector graphics
[15:31] <ReggieUK> chucky egg wasn't a vector
[15:31] <Caver> quite right
[15:31] <Cheery> Caver: would you like to look at the tut I linked up there?
[15:31] <aditsu> RANDOMIZE USR - represent!
[15:31] <Cheery> Caver: though I'm going to continue it today still. :)
[15:31] * Matt ended up playing Trapdoor on a speccy emulator not so long ago
[15:31] <fALSO> POKE 32133,12
[15:31] <fALSO> LOL
[15:31] <Cheery> now I have to afk.. but
[15:32] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[15:32] <Matt> the gaming industry has changed so much over the past 25 years
[15:32] <fALSO> a lot
[15:32] <Cheery> I think it'd be good if you could review that and send reviews to Issues like the tut proposes
[15:32] <ReggieUK> I don't think it's changed one bit
[15:32] <Caver> chucky egg was sprites I suppose
[15:32] <gordon_drogon> elite on the Beeb got a fair few fps, but I don't know the exact number.
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[15:32] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Sure it has.
[15:32] <fALSO> were great games
[15:32] <fALSO> heheeheheh
[15:32] <ReggieUK> the content delivery system has changed a bit
[15:32] <fALSO> matt, and dont forget
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Tehre are now artists being paid lots, not programmers.
[15:33] <fALSO> matt, and dont forget -> TAPE LOADING ERROR
[15:33] <Cheery> ReggieUK: https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial/commit/0983267072d8a810d07bf5c516c534f73729dac4
[15:33] <ReggieUK> but it's all about you spending your money on a regular basis
[15:33] <fALSO> after 10minutes
[15:33] <fALSO> lolololololo
[15:33] <Caver> don't remember I don't think the BBC did anything accelated with sprites
[15:33] <Caver> I know the C64 did
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> 10 year old AI - meh,. But we have Bob Hoskins doing the voice!
[15:33] <gordon_drogon> no sprite engine on the Beeb - just fast memory.
[15:33] <Cheery> anyway the next thing I'll be writing is something useful on raspberry pi.. yet impressive anyway. :)
[15:33] <gordon_drogon> the c64 was a year after the beeb, so they had a base to improve on.
[15:34] <fALSO> never had a c64
[15:34] <ReggieUK> the c64 was absolute pants
[15:34] <fALSO> but had an EXOTIC enlgish computer, at the end of the spectrum time
[15:34] <fALSO> maybe no one remembers - SAM COUPE
[15:34] <Cheery> oh well.
[15:34] <Cheery> now I'm afk
[15:34] <gordon_drogon> I went from beeb to Arc A310 or something. then gave up for some years.
[15:34] <Caver> see ya Cheery
[15:34] <fALSO> i still have it, its pretty nice
[15:34] <Caver> yay
[15:35] <Caver> I got after much campaining to my parents a A340
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[15:35] <gordon_drogon> was that the 4MB RAM one? I think I upgraded mine, but I really don't recall.
[15:35] <Matt> fALSO: right :)
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[15:35] <gordon_drogon> I gave mine away in the end.
[15:35] <Caver> yup 4Mb ram, 53Mb hard disk :)
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[15:36] <fALSO> and a AMIGA 500 ?
[15:36] <Matt> I can remember getting so annoyed when you spend ages waiting for something to load, and it gets to the last segment and just sits with the flashing cyan/red border
[15:36] <fALSO> great graphics, sound :)
[15:36] <Matt> fALSO: I had an A500 as well :)
[15:36] <Matt> and a B2000, and an A1200
[15:36] <Kolin> I still have an A500
[15:36] <fALSO> it was GREAT!!!!
[15:36] <Caver> always thought the genlock for the Amega's was fantastic
[15:36] <Caver> (was it gen lock)
[15:37] <Caver> the thing that they did the Babalon-5 graphics with
[15:37] <gregrob> Video Toaster
[15:37] <ReggieUK> amiga was fantastic
[15:37] <Matt> Kolin: I think technically I do, assuming my parents haven't ditched it
[15:37] <Matt> gregrob: quite
[15:38] <Matt> Caver: genlock is a generic term for a device that allows compute graphics to be overlayed over a live video stream
[15:38] <Caver> yeah that was the software to do it
[15:38] <Caver> I know :)
[15:38] * Matt had several
[15:38] <Caver> and a great idea
[15:38] <Matt> thanks to my grandpa :)
[15:39] <Caver> I tried to get my arch to genlock with a tape I was playing from the family VHS machine LOL
[15:39] <Caver> turns out my electronics skills weren't up to making them sync
[15:39] <Caver> as the VHS sync's were all over the place
[15:39] <Matt> my grandpa used to shoot a lot of home video, so he'd feed it all through and add titles, subtites, captions, etc
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[15:40] <Caver> *grins*
[15:40] <Caver> advanced stuff at the time
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[15:40] <Matt> and his camcorder used 8mm tape, and later Hi8
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[15:40] <Matt> so he actually bought a standalone 8mm VCR
[15:40] <Caver> now I can do it in a webroswer as I upload my camera phone video to youtube
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[15:40] <Matt> eventually he replaced the B2000 with a PC and gave me the Amiga
[15:41] <Matt> a PC with a genlock no less :)
[15:41] <Caver> ooh fun :)
[15:42] <ReggieUK> quantel?
[15:42] * Matt doesn't remember
[15:43] <Caver> lol everytime I hear quantel I always think of the episode of Red Dwarf with Kryton becoming human
[15:43] <gordon_drogon> hm. myself and a friend did some video - 30 years ago and we used an Apple II to generate titles, etc.
[15:44] <gordon_drogon> I used something called Graforth to generate 3-d wire-frame animations with it.
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[15:44] <gordon_drogon> if only I could remember how to make it work again - I have the disks, and the Apple...
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[15:45] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[15:45] <gordon_drogon> my apple II playing lode runner :)
[15:45] <abaxas> ermm
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[15:49] <RITRedbeard> I have a generalized question, there is no right answer.
[15:49] <gordon_drogon> ?
[15:50] <Caver> shoot :)
[15:50] * gordon_drogon wonders how many wrong answers there may be...
[15:50] <RITRedbeard> Do you want the generalized case or the less generalized case?
[15:50] <aditsu> 42!
[15:50] <RITRedbeard> How about both?
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[15:51] <ReggieUK> just ask the question
[15:52] <RITRedbeard> General case: You have to design a tool that displays graphical information and allows user input to do html/browser related things; begin a search on an arbitrary search engine for instance or display data like from a local database or from rss feed
[15:52] <RITRedbeard> And you can't use a httpd or webserver if you wanted to design this itself as html.
[15:52] <RITRedbeard> Those are the limitations.
[15:53] <gordon_drogon> and the question is... ?
[15:53] <RITRedbeard> I'm guessing Javascript is a strong canidate, I don't know that it can handle inputs the way I've described, I haven't ever looked at it.
[15:53] <RITRedbeard> That's the question.
[15:53] <Matt> intresting thought
[15:54] <gordon_drogon> JS runs in a web browser.
[15:54] <RITRedbeard> How do you solve this problem?
[15:54] <gordon_drogon> have your non web browser use CURL to execute web queries.
[15:54] <aditsu> the question is how to use a search engine without a web server being involved
[15:54] <RITRedbeard> You need to make a portal with a bunch of features, both I/O and no httpd.
[15:54] <RITRedbeard> the browser can be launched
[15:54] <Matt> why no httpd?
[15:54] <gordon_drogon> you don't need httpd to call a search engine.
[15:55] <gordon_drogon> you need a browser or something like the CURL library.
[15:55] <RITRedbeard> httpd means you need to install potentially hefty package and then just cgi
[15:55] <Matt> like, I could understand saying you don't want to use apache or suchlike
[15:55] <tzarc> use mongoose
[15:55] <Matt> but there are much more lightweight http servers out there
[15:55] <RITRedbeard> if you're going to use cgi scripts, why not just write the scripts without that layer in the way?
[15:55] <aditsu> gordon_drogon: well, who is receiving the request and giving the search result?
[15:55] <tzarc> mongoose = single C file httpd
[15:55] <RITRedbeard> It's not a trick question.
[15:56] <RITRedbeard> html can be apart of the presentation layer, probably the best choice.
[15:56] <Caver> why not have a cgi script that drives python
[15:56] <gordon_drogon> curl takes a URL, calls the website, fetchs the results back in a way a program can interpret them.
[15:56] <Caver> you can easily make it do http requests
[15:56] <Matt> RITRedbeard: I guess the question is why the design decision of no httpd
[15:56] <Caver> import httplib
[15:56] <tzarc> if you use mongoose, you write C/C++ callbacks to handle requests
[15:56] <tzarc> no interpreter layer
[15:56] <RITRedbeard> my background is windows land
[15:57] <RITRedbeard> windows has too many daemons and services running by default
[15:57] <Matt> cause a lightweight httpd is probably going to make everything a lot more straightforward
[15:57] <RITRedbeard> and httpd implies need for threads and such
[15:57] <RITRedbeard> although you won't, it will be single connection
[15:57] <Matt> RITRedbeard: not necessarily, if you're only talking to one client at a time
[15:57] <RITRedbeard> right
[15:58] <zgreg_> "httpd implies need for threads and such" <-- what
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> typically httpd serves multiple clients, no?
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> although this specification is for single
[15:58] <Matt> then again, you can just fork child processes
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> and it has to run it userland
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> in
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> ahem.
[15:58] <Matt> that's not threads
[15:59] <zgreg_> you can also use an event-based model
[15:59] <tzarc> nom nom zeromq
[15:59] <zgreg_> there are many, many ways to implement a server that can handle many clients
[15:59] <zgreg_> threads are just one of these many ways
[15:59] <RITRedbeard> Let's just assume we are service/daemon adverse for this problem due to userland restriction.
[15:59] <RITRedbeard> Yes, I know...
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[16:00] <RITRedbeard> No PiBot?
[16:00] <Matt> it's still gonna be way simpler with a basic httpd than trying to do everything in the browser
[16:00] <drazyl> int client_socket[MAX_CLIENT];
[16:00] <RITRedbeard> I actually have a legitmate need.
[16:00] <RITRedbeard> Too lazy to alt-tab to my browser.
[16:00] <tzarc> embed webkit then
[16:01] <IT_Sean> lazyness is not a legit need
[16:01] <RITRedbeard> Matt, possibly. I don't know the extent of which javascript is supported across browsers or if it is possible
[16:01] <RITRedbeard> Sure it is.
[16:01] <RITRedbeard> Laziness is the reason why we write applications and tools!
[16:01] <Hexxeh> zgreg_: if you had your hands on a rpi, you reckon you could get us xorg drivers?
[16:02] <Hexxeh> to the point where we can have 3d accel in x
[16:02] <zgreg_> Hexxeh: I want to give it a try, at least
[16:02] <Matt> hrm, don't think I'll be able to go climbing tomorrow
[16:02] <Hexxeh> i've got a third raspberry pi arriving next week, which will probably go to whoever can give me X drivers
[16:02] <zgreg_> I don't consider integration of 3D acceleration important though
[16:02] <Hexxeh> i do
[16:02] <Hexxeh> i want to see webgl :)
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> The demands of the portal specifications are not streneous, it doesn't need to do all this async and bidirectional connection to web services.
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> It just needs to be able to do it once upon refresh, no dynamic/nothin needed.
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[16:04] <zgreg_> Hexxeh: well, that might be interesting indeed
[16:04] <zgreg_> I can't imagine webgl will run well, though. the CPU is too much of a bottleneck probably
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[16:04] <Hexxeh> webgl is CPU heavy?
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> zgreg_, those were my thougts
[16:04] <Hexxeh> i didn't think that was the case
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> no
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> but in typical x86 architecture experience has been
[16:05] <RITRedbeard> you can render enough
[16:05] <RITRedbeard> but general compute power is the bottleneck
[16:05] <Hexxeh> i know chromium os will run on a beagleboard
[16:05] <Hexxeh> don't know how good the experience was, but apparently it was usable enough
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[16:05] <Hexxeh> as in, the first generation one
[16:06] <Hexxeh> they've done new ones since i think
[16:06] <Matt> hah! problem solved :)
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[16:06] <RITRedbeard> but considering x86 has northbridge, southbridge, and all these other elements, might play a factor.
[16:06] <RITRedbeard> Problem solved?
[16:06] <Hexxeh> anyway, back to android
[16:06] <zgreg_> well, in my experience webgl games/demos are quite the CPU hog on x86, and they're quite slow, too. compared to native code, of course.
[16:06] <zgreg_> javascript still is usually an order of magnitude slower than native code
[16:07] <Hexxeh> does firefox do video accel with openmax?
[16:07] <Hexxeh> i've not checked
[16:07] <RITRedbeard> You mean the one I presented?
[16:07] * RITRedbeard gets confused
[16:08] <gordon_drogon> I want to see 2D acceleration for SDL...
[16:08] <gordon_drogon> it just needs to GPU to offer a BLIT function, if it can.
[16:08] <zgreg_> that's the only thing SDL can accelerate?
[16:08] <gordon_drogon> dunno - it's all I need though :)
[16:09] <gordon_drogon> SDL just moves memory as far as I can tell.
[16:09] <gordon_drogon> you work on a software copy of the display then either copy the lot or rectangles to the active display when you need to.
[16:09] <zgreg_> my experience with SDL is pretty bad
[16:09] <RITRedbeard> the rendering part of SDL?
[16:09] <zgreg_> it might make more sense to use opengl es directly, if you want good performance
[16:10] <RITRedbeard> or in general?
[16:10] <gordon_drogon> I've found it great - but all I need to do for my BASIC is poke pixels at the screen...
[16:10] <zgreg_> RITRedbeard: in general
[16:10] <gordon_drogon> I poke pixels and draw lines - I doubt OpenGL es would help me there.
[16:10] <ReggieUK> I thought 2d acceleration was achieved in sdl via opengl?
[16:11] <gordon_drogon> is it? As I understand it, SDL is under opengl ..
[16:11] <RITRedbeard> I've found that SDL is too generalized in its codebase but makes bad assumptions; your problems and then solutions in SDL will not always translate to multiple platforms.
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[16:11] <zgreg_> nah, SDL only provides a windowing system abstraction layer for opengl
[16:11] <RITRedbeard> yes
[16:11] <gordon_drogon> so opengl does the fancy 3D stuff, writed to the SDL software famebuffer then blits that to the active display...
[16:12] <ReggieUK> I thought the trick was to create an open gl surface in sdl and render to that
[16:12] <zgreg_> gordon_drogon: poking single pixels is ALWAY slow, but lines can be accelerated well with opengl es
[16:12] <ReggieUK> I could be very mistaken though :D
[16:12] <zgreg_> gordon_drogon: you can emulate pixels with single-pixel lines, but yes, it'll be a bit slow
[16:12] <RITRedbeard> I guess my portal could be a local html page with javascript, I think? I'm not so sure that is effective and everyone's favorite browser doesn't support javascript
[16:12] <gordon_drogon> the slow part is not poking pixels, it's updating the display.
[16:13] <gordon_drogon> it's copying the software version of the display to the active display.
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[16:13] <gordon_drogon> IE6 is the only non JS browser...
[16:13] <zgreg_> so basically you just want double buffering?
[16:13] <gordon_drogon> double buffering is a sort of side-effect.
[16:13] <ReggieUK> I thought you just double buffer then SDL_flip()
[16:14] * Hexxeh goes back to getting Android working
[16:14] <gordon_drogon> yes. that's what I do - but AIUI, if the hardwar ecan't support it, then it blits the software image to the display buffer.
[16:14] <gordon_drogon> I just need a faster blit.
[16:14] <RITRedbeard> gordon_drogon, and lynx.
[16:14] <mkopack> Woohoo! Got the "Time to order" email from RS FINALLY
[16:14] <zgreg_> IIRC the framebuffer on the rpi is memory mapped
[16:15] <Caver> oooh!
[16:15] <zgreg_> you can simply write into it
[16:15] <Caver> woot
[16:15] <mkopack> Not sure yet if I'm going to order from them or not since I already have 2 on order from Newark (but only a date for one of those, and that's end of this month)
[16:16] <gordon_drogon> I might have to just accept it.
[16:16] <meatbot> I keep reading about having to "express interest" are these things not available in "real-time"?
[16:16] <gordon_drogon> I get about 10 fps on the Pi vs. 1000 on my desktop.
[16:16] <mkopack> meatbot: NO??? WAY backordered for at least the next month or two
[16:16] <ReggieUK> zgreg_, that's what I've seen most people do on systems that don't have 2d accel.
[16:16] <ReggieUK> use sdl for sound/input/etc. and do the graphics via 'bit-banging' essentially
[16:17] <gordon_drogon> yes.
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[16:17] <chris_99> you can always sell it on fleabay for > ?100 mkopack ;)
[16:17] <gordon_drogon> I could be more efficient about what I update - SDL allows you to specify rectangles that have changed.
[16:17] <mkopack> True??? lol
[16:17] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/Reggi3/gpsp_lf1000
[16:17] <mkopack> Guess I'll go ahead and order
[16:17] <ReggieUK> I believe gpsp uses that method
[16:18] <chris_99> i've got one on Farnell on order, but figure i could probably use two
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> actually, I'll have to do that for text input - it's too slow otherwise on a big display )-:
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> my farnell one ought to be here in 3 weeks time.
[16:18] <gordon_drogon> not heard a peep from RS.
[16:18] <chris_99> check your emails from RS
[16:18] <chris_99> i got one today
[16:18] <RITRedbeard> gordon_drogon, I think SDL has OpenGL ES support
[16:18] <RITRedbeard> because of ipod/phone
[16:18] <meatbot> month or two ain't bad
[16:19] <gordon_drogon> yes, it has ES support, but I'm really not sure I want to go to the effort of trying to make my app. use it.
[16:19] <gordon_drogon> I'm not convinced it will add anything to it.
[16:19] <ReggieUK> I would suggest some googling and see what everyone else is doing
[16:19] <gordon_drogon> but something in the system must be giving OpenGL ES the ability to blit it's internal screen to the real one and I'd like that avalable to the standard framebuffer & X.
[16:20] <RITRedbeard> I would suggest... we should have a wiki or something
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[16:20] <RITRedbeard> this isn't a final product, it's beta testing man
[16:20] <ReggieUK> we do but as these are the first time these questions are being asked here, it would be difficult to point someone at the wiki for answers :D
[16:20] <RITRedbeard> I'm starting to get my raspberry pi facts mixed up
[16:20] <gordon_drogon> I've asked about this on the forums too - not had a good answer there either :)
[16:21] <RITRedbeard> have you asked uh
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[16:21] <RITRedbeard> who is the software guy
[16:21] <ReggieUK> on the pi forums?
[16:21] <RITRedbeard> in RPF?
[16:21] <gordon_drogon> but old world framebuffers have 2D acelleration & blit engines, so why can't the Pi :)
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[16:21] <ReggieUK> depends what's been exposed by the pi framebuffer driver
[16:22] <ReggieUK> whether it's got 2d acceleration without opengl
[16:22] <RITRedbeard> this is a complex question and I'm very tired
[16:23] <gordon_drogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/sdl-2d-accelleration
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[16:23] <gordon_drogon> everyone keeps pointing me at OGL-ES...
[16:23] <gordon_drogon> basicalyl anythin using SDL is slow - I tried TuxPaint - very laggy )-:
[16:23] <gordon_drogon> not even going to think about TuxRacer!
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> and all the PyGame stuff uses SDL too... So that's going to be somewaht sub optimal.
[16:24] <ReggieUK> I@m not necessarily convinced that you should be getting such low framerates via sdl
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> ho hum.
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> It was slower than I was expecting.
[16:24] <gordon_drogon> QEMU on my 2GHz laptop was faster )-:
[16:25] <ReggieUK> although at that screen res, it might be an issue
[16:25] <Caver> ick
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[16:26] <Caver> ironically I think qemu uses sdl to do it's output
[16:26] <ReggieUK> the first reply from matt seems to say exactly what I've said though
[16:26] <gordon_drogon> yes it does!
[16:26] <gordon_drogon> heh
[16:26] <RITRedbeard> haha
[16:26] <mkopack> Ok, ordered???. (assuming the fraud prevention stuff on my credit card doesn't kick in....)
[16:27] <gordon_drogon> I found it funny I was running RTB inside the QEMU inside X running SDL inside SDL :)
[16:27] <Caver> ah well see ... thats your problem
[16:27] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb4.png
[16:27] <ReggieUK> bbiab
[16:27] <RITRedbeard> mkopackkkkkkkk
[16:27] <Caver> too much recursion
[16:28] <RITRedbeard> what's up
[16:28] <mkopack> Oh, for you guys interested in SpaceX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svzXxuQIKlc&feature=relmfu
[16:30] <RITRedbeard> cool
[16:31] <RITRedbeard> I could probably go on a tangent about the mars claim, how houston got snubbed, how nasa's budget has been neutered for yonks, and such.
[16:31] <RITRedbeard> I won't.
[16:31] <RITRedbeard> I'll save you the trouble.
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[16:32] <gordon_drogon> given up caring.
[16:33] <gordon_drogon> it's all gone downhill since apollo 11..
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> I think Israel gets more funding yearly than NASA or a large percentage of what NASA's budget is, is the same amount of money pissed away to Israel.
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> One of the two.
[16:34] <RITRedbeard> Oh well, I guess we'll just have to play with pi.
[16:36] <gordon_drogon> trying to - what's different from a few days ago. today I can't get PWM working
[16:37] <gordon_drogon> it's frustrating - it changes from day to day.
[16:37] <gordon_drogon> either I've missed something, or something is wrong.
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[16:40] <gordon_drogon> ok. I've missed something.
[16:40] <gordon_drogon> just don't know what.
[16:41] <gordon_drogon> I run Gerts program and it works, then I run mine and it works. so what have I missed out )-:
[16:43] <gordon_drogon> 2 LEDs controlled by one output.
[16:43] <gordon_drogon> shame there's only 1 usable PWM )-:
[16:43] <gordon_drogon> if only they'd brought the 2nd PWM output to the GPIO connector...
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[16:43] <gordon_drogon> maybe the model C :)
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[16:45] <Hydrazine> currently slowly improving the spi driver
[16:46] <Hydrazine> does anyone here know something about the dma and requesting a dma channel?
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[16:47] <ReggieUK> RITRedbeard, mind your language please :)
[16:47] <ReggieUK> I agree with your sentiment though about nasa/science funding
[16:47] <RITRedbeard> sorry reg
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> my apologies
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[16:48] <gordon_drogon> not under linux...
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> the good news is I read something where apparently we're getting pretty heated debate with russia right now
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> we want to put anti-missile system installations nearby
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> and Russia is not having it
[16:49] <ReggieUK> that's been going on for a while now though hasn't it?
[16:49] <Caver> their going to run it on a Pi?
[16:49] <RITRedbeard> if you take into consideration the cold war is what funded the massive force of nature, the sheer awesomeness of NASA
[16:49] <RITRedbeard> might be a good thing
[16:49] <mkopack> And what's funny about that is that where they're wanting to put them wouldn't stop Russian missiles AT ALL??? It would only be good for stopping ones coming from the middle east
[16:50] <mkopack> The russians are pissed because it might kill their business selling missile tech to the middle east
[16:50] <ReggieUK> isn't that the point though, they don't see russia as a threat, their focus is on the middle east
[16:50] <ReggieUK> language mkopack!
[16:50] <mkopack> Pissed??? Seriously?
[16:50] <mkopack> Here in the US, Pissed = Angry, mad
[16:50] <Caver> it's more offensive than in the usa to us uk'ers
[16:50] <ReggieUK> so just to test the theory you decide to say it again :D
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[16:51] <mkopack> Sorry, guess I don't see what it means to you guys in the UK??? I thought it meant obnoxiously drunk to you all?
[16:51] <drazyl> depends on whether you add off to it or not
[16:51] <ReggieUK> slightly lower than an f-bomb
[16:51] <drazyl> but we understand the us meaning
[16:52] <gordon_drogon> pissed off is angry/annoyed, pissed is just as drunk as a newt...
[16:52] <Caver> or the act or urination
[16:52] <drazyl> much lower than the f-bomb
[16:52] <ReggieUK> so, are we all clear that that word is not acceptable on this channel?
[16:52] <Caver> I got so drunk I wet myself
[16:52] <gordon_drogon> that's "to piss".
[16:52] <drazyl> but still not polite language
[16:52] <ReggieUK> clearly not
[16:52] <RITRedbeard> I agree with ReggieUK's sentiments that we should follow the unofficial rules of the unofficial channel...
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[16:53] <gordon_drogon> unofficially.
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> I did some searching and I found results of the logs that are kept.
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> yes.
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> Or at least try and keep it classy, assuming we've all got the 'Eben lied/children died went without their Pi" out of their systems.
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> I think I have.
[16:53] <RITRedbeard> Mostly.
[16:54] <gregrob> So the raspberry pi is actually a covert op to build a missile defense system using NASAs black ops budget employing Israeli sweatshops??
[16:54] <mkopack> ReggieUK: Ok, sorry, just didn't realize
[16:54] <drazyl> uho the cats out of the bag
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[16:54] <drazyl> "calling a black helicopter for mr gregrob"
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[16:54] <RITRedbeard> gregrob, with NASA's budget they don't have an option
[16:54] <RITRedbeard> budget cuts
[16:55] <RITRedbeard> they were actually going to use some old xboxes lying around
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[16:55] <mkopack> Lowest % of the federal budget since 1959....
[16:55] <RITRedbeard> the original xbox
[16:55] <RITRedbeard> but
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[16:55] <mkopack> We better hope SpaceX comes through, because that's going to be about it for manned spaceflight for the next 20 years...
[16:55] <Caver> I'm sure I remember something about playstations being made into a supercomputer for the military
[16:56] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[16:56] <mkopack> At least with them being private, they can go do whatever they want and don't have to wait on congress to give them permission to do something
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[16:56] <mkopack> Caver: Yes, PS3's were clustered at turned into a Supercomputer by Air Force Research Labs in Rome NY??? I used to work there during college
[16:57] <mkopack> The problem they have though is that it required the original ten PS3's and only up to a certain OS firmware patch level??? Now that Sony has locked out the Linux on them
[16:57] <mkopack> JERKS
[16:57] <Caver> yup
[16:57] <mkopack> So the AF is having a hard time sourcing replacements when units die
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[16:57] <Caver> yay for slightly more "open" hardware
[16:57] <ReggieUK> I think that's the only thing with nasa, it's going to be politically driven and quite cliquey towards certain goals
[16:58] <ReggieUK> space X seems to be devving a content delivery system
[16:58] <ReggieUK> what goes on that system is down to everyone else (nasa, esa etc.)
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[16:59] <mkopack> ReggieUK: Yeah, NASA is stuck being driven by the ever-changing whims of congress and president, all of whom change on a regular basis, and all of whom use NASA as a way of gaining clout and jobs for their district. And THAT is why it costs so damn much to launch anything by NASA - the work has to get spread around to so many places to buy votes
[16:59] <mkopack> Where as SpaceX does everything in-house, themselves, efficiently
[16:59] <ReggieUK> and still provides many jobs
[17:00] <ReggieUK> I like the idea personally, nasa gets to concentrate on science and doing things in space, space X gets them there
[17:00] <mkopack> Exactly,m SpaceX is building the railroad, and the locomotives. They don't care who buys cargo hauling from them nor what kind of cars get attached to that locomotive
[17:00] <mkopack> NASA can focus on the far out - cutting edge, way out there stuff
[17:01] <ReggieUK> instead of getting bogged down in the minutae of grommets
[17:01] <mkopack> But, it's also a big question of what the proper level of risk is...
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[17:02] <mkopack> I think us trying to make rockets that take every bit of risk out (and thus require insane amounts of testing and hardening and 3 level backups for everything) is insane. People ARE going to die, no matter how many redundancies we put in.
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Given that several people died while constructing the shuttle and launch facilities - for example - why should the astronauts lives be more precious
[17:02] <mkopack> NOTHING about space is easy or safe
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:02] <mkopack> We all take risks every time we get in an airliner
[17:02] <mkopack> Or behind the wheel of a car
[17:03] <ReggieUK> or crossing the road
[17:03] <mkopack> Exactly.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> However - in some cases - stuff that migh rarely add another 8 onto the safety number may be a good plan.
[17:03] * ReggieUK sets mode -o ReggieUK
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Emergency bailout systems that are 'will probably not kill you'
[17:03] <Caver> abdication?
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> rather than 'must always work 100%'
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOOSE
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> For example.
[17:04] <mkopack> In that PBS video I linked, they talk about this??? How the NASA/Lockheed Orion dev is taking so long and costing so much because they test the hell out of everything to explore the full capability envelope of every part and system
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> The lack of actually testing something like this in the last 40 years is reprehensible.
[17:04] * Hourd wants to go home from work...his pi might be there
[17:04] <mkopack> It gives you a pretty good idea of the safety and reliability of the system, but also costs a small fortune to develop because of that
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[17:07] <mkopack> Interesting - MOOSE seems like it would be a great idea for ISS.
[17:07] <gurgalof> what have people don with their pi's?
[17:08] <Caver> I confess nothing to do with space projects
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[17:08] <gurgalof> aww
[17:08] <ReggieUK> mine will be an observation aid device of space if that helps
[17:09] <mkopack> Oh, speaking of which, ReggieUK, you going to watch that transit of Venus across the sun that's coming up? Last time for the next 100 years or so
[17:10] <ReggieUK> So, I wonder when the first kickstarter space project will start? Just after spaceX is ready I reckon
[17:10] <ReggieUK> mkopack, I might just do that
[17:10] <Matt> see, I always think of MOOSE as a funky acronym for some stuff we were working on at uni
[17:10] <ReggieUK> I've got a solar filter ready for my 'big' scope
[17:10] <mkopack> Nice
[17:10] <benzeman> did you know the raspberry pi makes quite a good LAMP stack?
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[17:11] <gordon_drogon> why shouldn't it...
[17:11] <mkopack> benzeman: Yup
[17:11] <gordon_drogon> it's a bit slow though.
[17:11] <Matt> Model-based Object Oriented Software Engineering
[17:11] <ReggieUK> june 5th apparently
[17:11] <benzeman> meh, fast enough, done some very basic apache and mysql optimisations, but can more out of it I expect
[17:11] <gordon_drogon> I've got my solar eclipse specs ready :)
[17:12] <ReggieUK> :)
[17:12] <gordon_drogon> sadly, I'm old enough to have been doing LAMPy stuff on 486DX66's ...
[17:12] <ReggieUK> I should make a couple more filters for my other scopes really
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[17:12] <ReggieUK> brb
[17:12] <jmontleon> ascii art for rpi motd: http://pastebin.ca/2144143
[17:13] <gordon_drogon> heh neat.
[17:13] <jmontleon> my wife made it for me. :)
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[17:13] <gordon_drogon> I have once watched the first few minutes of a DVD using the AAlib plugin for mplayer...
[17:13] <benzeman> how did danieldaniel kill his rpi?
[17:14] <Hydrazine> I heard it was a case of applying a soldering iron to a SoC
[17:14] <gordon_drogon> the issue with LAMPy stuff on the Pi is the SD card - if it's a slow one - fsync is slow slow slow and more or less stalls it.
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[17:15] <gordon_drogon> things like mysql will fsync a lot.
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[17:15] <Dagger2> gordon_drogon: that's what `eatmydata` is for
[17:15] <Dagger2> (note: using that may involve some negative side effects)
[17:16] <gordon_drogon> eatmydata?
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[17:17] <Dagger2> https://launchpad.net/libeatmydata
[17:17] <gordon_drogon> Ah http://packages.debian.org/sid/eatmydata
[17:17] <gordon_drogon> ok
[17:17] <gordon_drogon> Hm.
[17:18] <gordon_drogon> while I've never use that on a production server, it might be handy on my old Acer Aspire One laptop.
[17:18] <gordon_drogon> it has the original 8GB SSD and it's very slow.
[17:18] <Dagger2> ugh. yeah, I have one too
[17:18] <Dagger2> "very slow" is an understatement
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[17:19] <Dagger2> it gets something like... 80 kB/s write speed?
[17:19] <gordon_drogon> look at it when it's slow - it's the HDD LED that's on...
[17:19] <gordon_drogon> I'm sure mine gets 2-3MB/sec.
[17:20] <Dagger2> I think it might do that on sequential writes, but certainly not random writes
[17:22] <gordon_drogon> it doesn't support trim or anything sensible...
[17:23] <Hexxeh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1945&start=10#p25006
[17:23] <Hexxeh> what on EARTH is jamesh on about
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[17:23] <Hexxeh> "it'll take till this time next year to port android"
[17:23] <Hexxeh> what.
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[17:24] <Caver> he does seem to have a bee in his bonnet
[17:24] <Caver> I wonder why
[17:25] <gordon_drogon> I've found that about many people on the forum :)
[17:25] <gordon_drogon> probably myself included, but hey...
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[17:27] <gordon_drogon> people get upset with the simplest of words ...
[17:27] <gordon_drogon> like "terrible" )-:
[17:27] <Caver> hmm on the next page he elaborate a bit
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[17:29] <mkopack> So, anyone get their Pi from RS ?
[17:29] <dmsuse> jamesh is paid to type rubbish
[17:30] <mkopack> How long did it take between the time you went ahead and did the order (once they opened it up for you to actually order it) and you got it?
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[17:30] <mkopack> It says 7 business days to ship??? But I'm in the USA, and I'm wondering if that's 7 days before they send it out, or 7 days for it to arrive from the time I ordered.
[17:31] <Caver> well allow 14 and you'll be pleasently supprised
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[17:34] <meatbot> Exactly.
[17:34] <Hourd> is it just open ordering now?
[17:35] <gordon_drogon> right. that's my AAO running eatmydata. seems OK so-far.
[17:35] <gordon_drogon> My Pi came from RS.
[17:36] <gordon_drogon> however I didn't buy it from Rs...
[17:36] <gordon_drogon> I ordered one from Farnell - due in 3 weeks.
[17:36] <gordon_drogon> Rs haven't sent me the invitation to order yet )-:
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[17:37] <dmsuse> your pi came from rs yet you didn't buy from rs?
[17:37] <dmsuse> how does that work?
[17:37] <Caver> Newark?
[17:38] <drazyl> he stole it
[17:39] <Caver> mugged the ups guy?
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[17:41] <gordon_drogon> none of the above - I got it from ebay.
[17:41] <Caver> wow
[17:41] <Caver> how much did you pay?
[17:42] <gordon_drogon> ?105
[17:42] * Caver admires the dedication there
[17:42] <gordon_drogon> I was offered a 2nd chance thing - I suspect the seller was shill bidding, but who knows.
[17:42] <gordon_drogon> anyway, it was at a price I was prepared to pay.
[17:43] <Caver> yup!
[17:43] <Caver> so ... has it been worth it?
[17:44] <gregrob> For me, the low price is the reason to look into a pi, I wouldn't be interested if it cost much more. But if you really want one for other reasons then congratulations on your purchase.
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[17:45] <aditsu> is a pi now worth 3 in a couple of months?
[17:46] <gordon_drogon> yes, for me it was worth it.
[17:47] <gordon_drogon> I'm not making money out of it, just having fun.
[17:47] <gordon_drogon> I suspect that in 3 weks time when the 2nd set of orders are fulfilled then there won't be any on ebay.
[17:47] <IT_Sean> ??105 for a pi?
[17:48] <IT_Sean> that's massivly overpriced
[17:48] <gordon_drogon> plus postage!
[17:48] <IT_Sean> you paid over 3x retail for it
[17:48] <gordon_drogon> yes, yes. had al lthis yesterday. going t oshut up now.
[17:48] <gordon_drogon> I know what I paid. Will have a 2nd in 3 weeks time
[17:48] <gordon_drogon> fx: fingers in ears> la la la la la ...
[17:49] <gordon_drogon> more moeny than sense, etc.
[17:49] <zgreg_> well, there are many much more powerful ARM boards available for ~100 pound
[17:49] <gordon_drogon> but for me it's been fun.
[17:49] <gordon_drogon> I work, I play.
[17:49] <Caver> I agree
[17:49] <Caver> it's what it's worth to *you*
[17:49] <gordon_drogon> I do not wish to think about what I have paid to sustain other hobbies in the past.
[17:49] <gordon_drogon> scuba diving... ever want to throw money into salt water? take up diving...
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[17:49] <gregrob> ???In the end it???s all about making yourself happy.??? - Kirk Tuck
[17:50] <gordon_drogon> I once calculated that I was jumping in with 10K's worth of kit on my back, or in my hand.
[17:50] <gordon_drogon> mostly because I was carrying 3K's worth of video gear, however that wasn't mine...
[17:50] <gordon_drogon> no-wonder I'm broke all the time!!!
[17:52] <Matt> I used to love sailing
[17:52] <Caver> I think it's a culteral thing sometimes UK/USA
[17:52] <Matt> that's another expensive hobby
[17:52] <Kolin> I like drinking
[17:53] <Kolin> that's another expensive hobby
[17:53] <Matt> I'd dearly love to get back into it, but for some reason it's a lot more expensive here
[17:53] <Caver> ah but that has very tangible benifits :)
[17:53] <Matt> which seems odd, given the proximity to water
[17:53] * Caver mutters quietly he enjoys smoking
[17:53] * Kolin agrees
[17:54] <Caver> motorcycles are another passion, and equally "pointless"
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[17:54] <Kolin> but easyer to kill your self with
[17:55] <Caver> than a Pi ... yup probably
[17:55] <Kolin> than smoking :)
[17:55] <Caver> in terms of smiles per pound spent ...
[17:55] <Caver> ahh
[17:55] <Kolin> I went paragliding when i was in turkey last year
[17:55] <Kolin> last week*
[17:56] <Kolin> would really like to get into that
[17:56] <Caver> turkeys?
[17:56] <Caver> LOL ... *rereads*
[17:56] <Caver> :$
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[17:57] <Matt> I looked into joining the local sailing club, but it's over $250 initiation, then $375/yr, plus you have to pay for a berth for the boat which is like $180 just for the summer
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[17:58] <gordon_drogon> yea, nothing cheap these days!
[17:58] <Matt> then ~$1000 for a boat
[17:58] <gordon_drogon> actually, hillwalking. and there are some nice hills near me.
[17:58] <Matt> then there's insurance
[17:58] <Matt> it was a lot cheaper in the UK
[17:58] <Caver> ouch
[17:58] <gordon_drogon> oh no - boats - I've owned 2 boats - never again!!!
[17:58] <Matt> my last couple of boats were in the 300 quid range
[17:58] <Matt> insurance was 65 quid a year
[17:59] <Matt> and climb membership, including a berth was 125 quid a year
[17:59] <Matt> club membership even
[17:59] <gordon_drogon> I had a couple of RIBs to go diving off... trailer maintenance. engine maintenance, kit ,etc, etc, etc,
[17:59] <Matt> see, this is dinghy racing :)
[17:59] <Matt> so instead, I've taken up climbing
[17:59] <Matt> which also isn't exactly cheap :)
[17:59] <gordon_drogon> ropes, harnesses,
[17:59] <gordon_drogon> "gear"
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[17:59] <Caver> yeah
[17:59] * Matt nods
[18:00] <gordon_drogon> I used to do that in Scotland...
[18:00] <Caver> and when you get into it more, you want to upgrade your gear
[18:00] <Matt> just spent $200 on gear the other week
[18:00] <gordon_drogon> heh
[18:00] <Matt> shoes, harness, chalk bag, chalk :)
[18:00] <Caver> you can guess my other hobby from my nick
[18:00] <Matt> the local indoor climbing gym is excellent tho
[18:00] <ReggieUK> music
[18:00] <ReggieUK> you're a nick cave fan?
[18:01] <Caver> lol
[18:01] <Caver> yeah thats it
[18:01] <Caver> (actually I do like his stuff)
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[18:02] <gordon_drogon> ifyou want a laugh:
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/mePhotos/mnt1.jpg
[18:02] <Caver> nice jumper :)
[18:03] <gordon_drogon> probably knitted by some girlfriends granny.
[18:03] <Matt> http://climbersrock.ca/ <-- where I'm climbing ATM
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[18:03] <Matt> gordon_drogon: brrr :)
[18:03] <gordon_drogon> heh - yea - that's in the Alps.
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[18:04] <gordon_drogon> The Arrochar Alps in Scotland :)
[18:04] <gordon_drogon> approx 27 years ago
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> ah, the things we do for fun.
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> I used to jump out of planes too.
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> and fall off horses )-:
[18:05] <Caver> moving ones?
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> what, planes or horses??
[18:06] <Caver> lol
[18:06] <gordon_drogon> but the answer is yes, to both... plumeteering.
[18:06] <Caver> ok hoisted on own p'tard there
[18:06] <Caver> planes I can see, horses ... that sounds painful
[18:07] <gordon_drogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/images2/horse.jpg
[18:07] <gordon_drogon> yea, one of those bog hoof things can really spoil your day.
[18:08] <Caver> *grins*
[18:08] <Caver> I remember alllll to well
[18:08] <Caver> dobin his name was
[18:08] <gordon_drogon> I almost took out a lease of that horse.
[18:08] <Caver> was all going so well ... until the tractor went past - mowing ... and hit a stone
[18:08] <gordon_drogon> they wanted too much for it.
[18:08] <Caver> didn't know nice ponies could go that fast
[18:08] <ReggieUK> horses are an expensive hobby too
[18:08] <ReggieUK> if you own ones
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[18:09] <ReggieUK> one*
[18:09] <gordon_drogon> yea, I think they wanted about 70 a month for the horse, the field and insurance for vet bills. that was 20 years ago.
[18:09] <ReggieUK> a single vet bill can easily hit ??1000
[18:10] <gordon_drogon> yup. that's why you need insurance!
[18:10] <ReggieUK> and they have a habit of randomly injuring themselves/each other
[18:10] <ReggieUK> then of course there are the magic moments where a plastic bag in a layby will scare the bejeebers out of them
[18:10] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/fireball/july/DSC_0306.jpg
[18:10] <Matt> that's me and my little brother in my fireball :)
[18:11] <gordon_drogon> nod a friend was killed falling off one which got spooked by a passing tractor ...
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[18:11] <gordon_drogon> don't get yer bum wet!
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[18:11] <Caver> yeah ... well it bolted, headed to the nearby tree plantation, and I decided jumping off was the better bet!
[18:11] <Matt> oh, trust me, I frequently got wetter :)
[18:12] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/fireball/july/DSC_0321.jpg <-- same day
[18:12] <gordon_drogon> woops!
[18:12] <Matt> quite :)
[18:12] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahahahaha
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[18:12] <tntexplosivesltd> wheeeeee
[18:12] <Matt> it was a breeze to get back up tho
[18:12] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/fireball/july/DSC_0323.jpg
[18:12] <gordon_drogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/images2/para.jpg
[18:13] <gordon_drogon> you can't tell, but it's really me :)
[18:13] <Matt> so long as you didn't let it turn turtle and get the tip of the mast stuck in the black crud at the bottom of the lake
[18:13] * Meatballs|Away is now known as Meatballs
[18:13] <Matt> it was a flooded open-cast coal mine, so it was only 20' deep or so, and the bottom was silt largely comprised of coal dust
[18:14] <Matt> (the mast on the fireball is 23')
[18:14] <SimonT> Matt: is it possible for the mast or keel to fall out when it turtles?
[18:14] <Caver> yay ... your the adventurer :)
[18:14] <Matt> mast, no - it's held under quite a high degree of tension by the shrouds
[18:14] <Matt> and it doesn't have a keel
[18:15] <gordon_drogon> yes, I've dived in floodyd quarries where you don't want to touch the bottom!!
[18:15] <SimonT> I've only done a little bit of sailing a few years ago in boats a little smaller than yours
[18:15] <Matt> it's a centreboard, and that pivots around a bolt, so it's not possible to take it out without a fair bit of effort
[18:15] <gordon_drogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Lusitania.Jul.2000/images/me1.jpg
[18:15] <gordon_drogon> One of my better dive trips.
[18:15] <SimonT> Matt: Ah ok sounds fun!
[18:16] <Matt> I did once lose the rudder+tiller
[18:16] <tntexplosivesltd> how did we get onto this
[18:16] <tntexplosivesltd> ?
[18:16] <gordon_drogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Lusitania.Jul.2000/images/me2.jpg
[18:16] <Matt> came unclipped after a capsize and started floating away
[18:16] <SimonT> gordon_drogon: what are you looking at?
[18:16] <Matt> that was in my previous boat tho
[18:16] <SimonT> Matt at least it didn't sink ;)
[18:16] <Caver> gordon_drogon, bought a Pi from ebay for more than ??35
[18:16] <gordon_drogon> that's a porthole in the bow of the Lusitania.
[18:16] <Matt> my crew was somewhat surprised when I dived over the transom and started swimming away from the boat
[18:16] <Matt> SimonT: it was wooden :)
[18:17] <gordon_drogon> it sits in about 93m of water 12 miles off the south coast of Ireland.
[18:17] <tntexplosivesltd> serious;y though
[18:17] <tntexplosivesltd> how did we get to this?
[18:17] <gordon_drogon> topics drift :)
[18:17] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[18:18] <drazyl> teh poneyz did it
[18:18] <tntexplosivesltd> like tides etc
[18:18] <Caver> gordon_drogon, bought a Pi from ebay for more than ??35, then we got on to various interests that are expensive but worth it
[18:18] <gordon_drogon> but leave is broke.
[18:19] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/photos/fireball/club/pict0106.jpg <-- that's my old club
[18:19] <gordon_drogon> not on the severn is it?
[18:19] <Matt> nah
[18:19] <Matt> it's up in the northwest
[18:19] <gordon_drogon> ok
[18:20] <Matt> llsc.org.uk
[18:20] <gordon_drogon> ah right.
[18:20] <gordon_drogon> I was up in manchester last weekend too.
[18:20] <gordon_drogon> drank too much of their "ginger" beer.
[18:21] <tntexplosivesltd> speaking of beer
[18:21] <tntexplosivesltd> got a nice beer jaclet
[18:21] <tntexplosivesltd> * jacket
[18:21] <tntexplosivesltd> it's bed time
[18:21] <Matt> http://www.hamptonsailingclub.com/2010MerlinRocketOpen.htm <-- that's the class I used to sail before I got the fireball
[18:21] <Matt> don't think I have any photos of my merlin rocket online anywhere
[18:21] <Cheery> aaal right
[18:21] <Matt> damn thing was like a saucer
[18:21] <Cheery> now I'm back
[18:21] <tntexplosivesltd> night all
[18:21] <Caver> wb
[18:21] <gordon_drogon> http://www.spottedbylocals.com/manchester/knott-bar/
[18:22] <gordon_drogon> looks a bit crowded there :)
[18:22] <Matt> that looks like deansgate station
[18:22] * Matt went to uni in manchester
[18:22] <tntexplosivesltd> sweeeet
[18:23] <Matt> there used to be a laserquest just down the road from there
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[18:24] <gordon_drogon> yea, deansgate - thats where I was on Friday night.
[18:25] <gordon_drogon> drinking far too much of the local ginger beer..
[18:25] <Caver> shocking
[18:25] <gordon_drogon> it was for me .. getting too old for that sort of thing!
[18:30] <gordon_drogon> a-ha! found my mistake in the PWM initialisation code.
[18:30] <gordon_drogon> Now it works from cold boot.
[18:31] <Caver> :)
[18:31] <Caver> what are you working on?
[18:31] <gordon_drogon> 2 LEDs connected to the PWM output are now pulsing away merrily.
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[18:31] <gordon_drogon> I've written an arduino style 'Wiring' library.
[18:31] <gordon_drogon> so pinMode, digitalWrite, etc.
[18:31] <mkopack> gordon_drogon: Awesome!
[18:32] <gordon_drogon> well I think so - got some criticism on the forum, but hey ..
[18:32] <Matt> hehe
[18:32] <Caver> I'm sorry to hear that!
[18:33] <Caver> I really don't get why some are so critical
[18:33] <gordon_drogon> Oh I'm not woried.
[18:33] <gordon_drogon> I wrote it to support some functions in my BASIC.
[18:33] * uen| is now known as uen
[18:33] <gordon_drogon> So in BASIC, I can open a remote Arduino, or open the local GPIO and use the same commands to drive either.
[18:33] <Caver> sweet
[18:34] <Caver> and do motor drives too?
[18:34] <gordon_drogon> I have a little library that talks to arduinos via usb serial.
[18:34] <Caver> I had a little play trying to get PWM working, but no luck yet
[18:34] <gordon_drogon> sure - could drive a motor with the right drive hardware.
[18:34] <gordon_drogon> I'll upload my fixed code.
[18:34] <Caver> I fancy a go at making a automatic garrage door opener with it
[18:36] <Hexxeh> needless to say this isn't going well: http://cl.ly/GNQ5
[18:36] <gordon_drogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[18:36] <gordon_drogon> is that the android startup?
[18:37] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:37] * Matt restart firefox cause it's being stupid again
[18:37] <gordon_drogon> looks like the kernel has booted, just some userland missing?
[18:37] <Hexxeh> that's the standard rpi kernel
[18:37] <gordon_drogon> ah, ok.
[18:37] <Hexxeh> tried 3.3.1 with android patches, but blackscreen
[18:37] <Hexxeh> no serial console to debug it
[18:37] <gordon_drogon> oops :)
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't the android kernel require wakelocks?
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> and shizzle
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[18:38] <Hexxeh> SpeedEvil: i should mention, i don't actually know a whole lot about android
[18:38] <Hexxeh> the newest device i own is a nexus one i got given :P
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> The only android device I own is a wopad i7 - which was a gift
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> And I'm currently being annoyed that I can't revert versions of software
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[18:39] <SpeedEvil> - as I failed to backup the copy of flash that actually works
[18:40] <Matt> gordon_drogon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO0yS0UXKT8#! <-- that's at my old club :)
[18:40] <Caver> oops
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Oh - and I need to stick an AP on my chimney so it works in the garden
[18:41] <gordon_drogon> nice ittle bump there :)
[18:42] <gordon_drogon> they turn quite fast.
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[18:43] <UukGoblin> hm, Arch linux image has the same SHA-1 as debian
[18:43] <UukGoblin> on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[18:43] <Caver> really?
[18:43] <Matt> gordon_drogon: the RS400 is a nice boat
[18:43] <Matt> I could never afford one
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[18:43] <Caver> oops!!
[18:43] <Matt> although I did get to race one as a crew on a couple of occasions
[18:43] <Matt> they're great fun
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[18:43] <fALSO> uukgoblin, looks like copy paste bug
[18:43] <fALSO> lol
[18:43] <UukGoblin> copy&pasta ftw
[18:43] <UukGoblin> ;-]
[18:44] <gordon_drogon> it certinaly looks fun. never really done much in the way of competitive sports though.
[18:45] <gordon_drogon> I managed to come last in a school sports day once.
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[18:52] <Hexxeh> no OK light on the pi means the kernel didn't load, right?
[18:52] <Hexxeh> because that's what happens with the 3.3.1 kernel
[18:52] <Hexxeh> which is here, btw: https://github.com/FunkyAndroid/linux-raspberrypi/tree/v3.3.1-raspberrypi
[18:52] <UukGoblin> hm, what are the extra connectors?
[18:52] <UukGoblin> S2 and S5, I believe is their marking
[18:52] <UukGoblin> and there's also an extra pin header P2
[18:53] <UukGoblin> and some unsoldered pins p3
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[19:00] <gordon_drogon> hmph. crashed it again.
[19:00] <gordon_drogon> power cycle time.
[19:00] <gordon_drogon> cuppa T while it boots.
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[19:08] <gordon_drogon> reboot with disable_overscan=1
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[19:08] <gordon_drogon> at least then I know what the screen size will be.
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[19:16] <Cheery> would it be hard to add GSM module to raspberry?
[19:17] <Cheery> or well. G3/G4 module
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[19:17] <SpeedEvil> no
[19:17] <Cheery> has someone done such before?
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> GSM module, power supply for it - some take 5V - serial interface, and you're done.
[19:17] <gordon_drogon> if it's USB it ought to "just work"
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Or even just USB
[19:18] <Cheery> serial interface? :)
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> But USB won't 'just work' without external power
[19:18] <Cheery> RX/TX
[19:18] <Cheery> ooh
[19:18] <gordon_drogon> I've used a few USB ones in thet past (not on the Pi, but other Linux systems)
[19:18] <haltdef> 3g dongles use >500ma?
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[19:18] <gordon_drogon> Hm. never needed additional USB power for them, however...
[19:18] <Cheery> so in theory, we could do raspberry phone
[19:18] <gordon_drogon> haha
[19:19] <haltdef> it'd be more trouble than it's worth imo
[19:19] <gordon_drogon> I've done VoIP over 3G :)
[19:19] <haltdef> you could spend less on a ZTE blade which *is* a phone :P
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[19:20] <Cheery> haltdef: do you happen to have one?
[19:20] <haltdef> blade?
[19:20] <UnderSampled> ukscone: ping
[19:20] <Cheery> well I'd like to know what kind of display it has
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[19:21] <haltdef> WVGA TFT
[19:21] <haltdef> it's surprisingly good for the price
[19:21] <haltdef> only issue I've had is slightly creaky volume button, solid build otherwise
[19:21] <haltdef> still ARM11 but 512MB RAM
[19:22] <Cheery> does vendor provide specs?
[19:22] <haltdef> see wikipedia article for what it's sold as in your country
[19:23] <haltdef> everyone sticks their own name on it bu it's the same hardware, I remember when HTC were like that :P
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[19:24] <Cheery> oh
[19:24] <haltdef> do you just happen to be on the market for an android phone or something?
[19:24] <Cheery> well I've had android galaxy mini.. which is horrible
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[19:24] <Cheery> but yes
[19:24] <Cheery> we bought some lumias but they aren't good
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[19:25] <Cheery> and the really good old nokias we have.. they start being a bit old but good otherwise. :)
[19:25] <haltdef> that has the same SoC as the blade I think
[19:25] <haltdef> more ram, more storage, better screen
[19:26] <Cheery> but then I have that osdev vision as well.
[19:26] <Cheery> and wondering about where it could get us.
[19:26] <benzeman> who here has read "TheMagPi"?
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[19:27] <Cheery> nokia is doing really badly with lumia btw.
[19:27] <gordon_drogon> er me ...
[19:27] * SpeedEvil ponders about ranting about the n9.
[19:27] <Cheery> once microsoft gets the win 8 done and published on lumias, that platform is at breaking point
[19:27] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[19:28] <gordon_drogon> I'm sticking with my HTC DZ for now.
[19:28] <Cheery> will probably burn the win8 in phones along it.
[19:28] <dmsuse> makes me sick to think for how many years nokia profited from the same old rubbish, never innovating.. pretty sad it took apple (who aint even a phone developer ) to fix it
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[19:29] <gordon_drogon> I had every nokia communicator to the n900 and the n900, while nice and geeky was missing a fewthings I wanted - like navigation
[19:29] <Cheery> apple status is unknown.. but there's rumors they'd go to fix game consoles next
[19:29] <gordon_drogon> so when it broke, I went elsewhere.
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[19:32] <Cheery> seems nokia key characters have resigned already.
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[19:33] <SpeedEvil> gordon_drogon: n900 development stalled about 6 months in
[19:33] <gordon_drogon> I know )-: I did like it as a phone and concept though.
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> I guess that's when thoughts of microsoft started filtering in
[19:33] <SpeedEvil> I have what is perhaps the rarest nokia - n950
[19:34] <gordon_drogon> wasn't there some intel memo/meego thing going on to? I lost track/gave up.
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[19:34] <SpeedEvil> meego was going to be the future.
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> But then microsoft seemed to kick in, and much effort stopped.
[19:34] <gordon_drogon> benzeman, what about the magpi magazine?
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> The n9 also has unfortunate platform security issues.
[19:35] <gordon_drogon> thinking now, it was almost exactly a year ago when my n900 croaked...
[19:35] <gordon_drogon> I went back to my E90 for a while before getting the Desire Z.
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> gordon_drogon: USB, or modem?
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[19:35] <gordon_drogon> screen - I dropped it.
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:36] <gordon_drogon> I suspect I can fix it - I'm suspecting an internal connector is loose as I sometimes get the screen if I wiggle it about.
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[19:36] <SpeedEvil> There is a board-board connector which handles the screen
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> #maemo probably may be able to help
[19:36] <benzeman> gordon_drogon: Oh, I was just wondering if anyone had read it
[19:36] <gordon_drogon> yes, a couple of flexy ribbons from what I've seen of the dissassembly vids on youtube.
[19:37] <gordon_drogon> have to say I'm not missing it now....
[19:37] <gordon_drogon> I read it, caused a lot of hassle on the forums, so have shut up about it.
[19:38] <Cheery> yeah.. nokia seems like it was doing its swan song right now
[19:38] <gordon_drogon> shame.
[19:38] <Cheery> I don't know.. it gives room to new actors
[19:38] <gordon_drogon> they seemed to get everything right at the time - long battery life - 5 days in the e90!
[19:39] <Matt> yeah
[19:40] <Matt> back when android first came out one of my friends in the mobile world made a statement that I still agree with
[19:40] <Matt> nokia hardware running android would be a killer device
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> Maemo had a shot at being a somewhat interesting platform.
[19:41] <Matt> yes it did
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> But they squandered the opportunity largely.
[19:41] <gordon_drogon> yup. I had the original n770 too.
[19:41] <Matt> yeah
[19:41] * Matt still uses his N95
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> The n9 again was a last gasp, but they haven't even sold it in major markets.
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> You literally can't buy it in the US or UK
[19:42] <gordon_drogon> I suspect the market the communicator was aimed at just got fed-up and moved to android or BB or iPhone.
[19:42] <Matt> there was an intresting article on mobileindustryreview.com a little while ago
[19:42] <haltdef> I'm not happy with nokia
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[19:43] <haltdef> n900's successor could have been epic
[19:43] <gordon_drogon> yup.
[19:43] <Matt> "Has apple set the mobile industry back 10 years"
[19:43] <haltdef> hopefully they get screwed by the decision to use windows phone
[19:43] <haltdef> it was my first and last nokia phone :P
[19:43] <Matt> http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2012/04/has-apple-put-mobile-innovation-back-at-least-10-years.html
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[19:44] <Hoppelchen> RS Online
[19:44] <Hoppelchen> Raspberry Pi ??? Time to order - You are now able to place your order for a Raspberry Pi
[19:44] <Hoppelchen> \o/
[19:44] <haltdef> yep, just ordered mine
[19:44] <gordon_drogon> I recall all my peers laughing at the first iPhone - no 3G, etc. yet a lot of them queued up to buy one....
[19:44] <haltdef> saying it'll be dispatched in 7 days .. that I don't believe so much :P
[19:44] <Hoppelchen> haltdef: same thoughts here :)
[19:44] <haltdef> do we know if this is the first of the devices manufactured by RS rather than the foundation?
[19:44] <Matt> oh, it's a great step forward
[19:44] <gordon_drogon> the first phone I owned was the original Nokia communicator brick... think I still have it..
[19:45] <Matt> and Ewan's a big apple guy
[19:45] <Matt> but he's got a very valid point
[19:45] <Matt> everyone's rushing to copy them
[19:45] <haltdef> gordon_drogon, I did laugh at the first iphone because my HTC at the time was far better
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Hoppelchen: you got your order invite?
[19:45] <haltdef> better screen, 3g, keyboard
[19:45] <Hoppelchen> IT_Sean: yes
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[19:45] <Matt> and so much is locked down in order to keep a consistent user experience, that there's very little room for the innovation
[19:45] <haltdef> windows mobile 5 could even multitask :P
[19:46] <Matt> haltdef: so could s60
[19:46] * Matt has multiple apps running on his N95 all the time
[19:47] <gordon_drogon> and a flat battery :)
[19:47] <IT_Sean> i havent got mine yet
[19:47] <IT_Sean> :(
[19:47] <Matt> actually, mine's an N95-3
[19:47] <haltdef> the form factor of that HTC appealed to me
[19:47] <haltdef> like those convertible laptop/tablet things
[19:47] <Matt> so it's the model that doesn't have the lenscap and a larger battery
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[20:06] <gordon_drogon> hmph. still having issues with SDL app. on the console. It's somewhat of a bother.
[20:06] <_av500_> somebody should build a thin laptop from a r-pi...
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[20:07] <gordon_drogon> I have a thin laptop that's faster than the RPi ;-)
[20:08] <IT_Sean> me too
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[20:11] <gordon_drogon> What ho, mr leap of Z.
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[20:20] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I'd like to have one.. but want it with linux
[20:21] <gobby_> Woo hoo, Pi was sitting waiting for me when I got home from work! :)
[20:21] <zleap> :) gobby_
[20:22] <Matt> yay
[20:23] <IT_Sean> you lucky sod
[20:23] * IT_Sean wants a pi
[20:23] <gobby_> Do I recall correctly that the Pi doesn't like class 10 SD?
[20:23] <IT_Sean> aye
[20:24] <Cheery> am I really the one in later line?
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[20:25] <Cheery> everybody else seems to have been before me :D lol
[20:25] <IT_Sean> lots of people are still wiating
[20:25] <IT_Sean> *waiting
[20:25] <IT_Sean> Like me.
[20:25] <IT_Sean> I haven't even gotten to order yet
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[20:28] <gobby_> It's unusual for the UK to have an advantage over the US when it comes to getting new gadgets
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[20:28] * IT_Sean grumbles
[20:29] <Cheery> I wonder whether my tutorial would award me one from the foundation, if I finish it with pride.
[20:30] <IT_Sean> I doubit it
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[20:33] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I thought they share those to ppl who make it worth
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[20:43] <IT_Sean> they gave some to developers, so they could have a head start. The Foundation is not, however, just giving crap away to people for doing pro-pi stuff
[20:43] <IT_Sean> you can join the queue like everyone else, and buy one
[20:43] <Matt> it's not like they're horrendously expensive or anything :)
[20:44] <Matt> I know folk who spend more than the cost of a pi in a week at starbucks
[20:45] <Cheery> yeah. I still wonder how long I can wait though. :)
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[20:46] <dmsuse> you know people that spend over $50 a week at starbucks :O ?
[20:46] <Cheery> I'd have some great ideas and might get something really fancy and encouraging done.. but I guess I'm in a majority group here
[20:47] <Cheery> your ideas and goals you're going to pursuit once you get RPi have been as good as mine.
[20:47] <chancellorsmith> Farnell confirmed shipping for me at 9.12am today - here's hoping postie brings it tomorrow - v unlikely ?
[20:47] <mkopack> Gotta love being on a conference call when you're the only remote person, everyone else is in the conference room together and the speaker is sitting as far away from the speakerphone as possible, and has a low deep voice and doesn't project his voice, and other people are rustling papers or talking or other such stuff??? I can BARELY understand this persenter
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[20:47] <DrHorrible_KingO> i wouldnt bet on tomorrow
[20:47] <chancellorsmith> boooo
[20:47] <chancellorsmith> I know
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[20:48] <chancellorsmith> Let's face it - it's Tuesday most likely
[20:48] <chancellorsmith> But I live in hope
[20:48] <mkopack> WTF holiday do you guys have on Monday???
[20:48] <DrHorrible_KingO> i had a note for my second one yesterday and it may get here tomorrow i guess, but didnt make it today
[20:49] <DrHorrible_KingO> bank holiday
[20:49] <Matt> dmsuse: not tricky
[20:49] <Matt> that's only $10/day
[20:49] <DrHorrible_KingO> hadnt even considered that
[20:49] <Pyro3d> I still haven't gotten anything from Farnell...
[20:49] <chancellorsmith> power - apple iPhone charger ok to use anyone ding that ?
[20:49] <mkopack> But what IS the holiday?
[20:49] <Matt> that's a couple of lattes and a scone or suchlike
[20:49] <chancellorsmith> output says 5V 1 amp
[20:49] <mkopack> "Banks just feel like being off day?"
[20:50] <Matt> mkopack: it's spring bank :)
[20:50] <Matt> it's for mayday
[20:50] <Matt> well, ish
[20:50] <Matt> :)
[20:50] <gordon_drogon> yea, mayday mayday ... :)
[20:50] <Matt> mkopack: I dunno what the US equiv of bank holidays are
[20:51] <Matt> they're just random statutary holidays
[20:51] <Matt> we've got enough of em up here too
[20:51] <Matt> next one is the May 24 weekend
[20:51] <Matt> which is Mon 21st
[20:51] <gordon_drogon> my cheap powered hub has a 2A PSU - not given up yet :)
[20:51] <mkopack> Yeah, for us its Memorial day around then
[20:52] <Matt> that's Victoria Day
[20:52] <Matt> but everyone just calls it "May Two-Four"
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[20:54] <mkopack> lol
[20:54] <mkopack> It's o the 28th for us
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[21:11] * gobby_ has discovered a minor problem with the delivery of his Pi...
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[21:11] <gobby_> It boots with my class 10 SD :)
[21:12] <IT_Sean> what's the problem?
[21:12] * n17ikh_ is now known as n17ikh
[21:12] <gobby_> However it doesn't start an sshd by default and I don't seem to own a USB keyboard
[21:12] <gobby_> A minor oversight on my part! ;)
[21:12] <IT_Sean> That's a problem with you, not the raspi
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[21:13] <gobby_> True
[21:13] <gobby_> It's a problem with my ability to use the PI
[21:13] <gordon_drogon> that's a woopsie.
[21:13] <gobby_> I'll mount the image on my laptop and do some tweaking so that it starts sshd by default
[21:13] <gordon_drogon> so 1st thing tomorow morning to the nearest shoppie - Tescos go a good value keyboard for 4.95...
[21:14] <gordon_drogon> or a blue strip one for 50p cheaper...
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[21:14] <gordon_drogon> or tonight even ... they never close :)
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[21:14] * IT_Sean loves his Logitech Illuminated Keyboard, but, it's a fair bit more than ??4.95
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> I might treat myself to a new one for my desktop - it is about 12 years old now.
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> I do like it though.
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> it's solid.
[21:15] <gordon_drogon> it's also manky.
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> kill it with fire. get a new one. :p
[21:16] <gordon_drogon> heh..
[21:17] * ReggieUK loves his Zboard
[21:17] <_av500_> IBM Model M
[21:18] * IT_Sean is typing this without a keyboard
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[21:19] <Guest27017> hi
[21:19] <gordon_drogon> it's a KeyTronic one. I suspect they don't make this model anymore.
[21:20] <IT_Sean> Hello guest
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[21:21] <gordon_drogon> it has a netware approved sticker under it. Maybe it's older than I thought..
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[21:22] <chancellorsmith> so if i get my pi tomorrow the only thing i could do to do it serious damage is wrong PSU ?
[21:22] <gordon_drogon> standing on it with big boots would damage it too.
[21:23] <gordon_drogon> I suspect most 5V PSUs will at least make it boot.
[21:23] <Guest27017> chancellorsmith: Don't solder it
[21:23] <chancellorsmith> ok
[21:23] <Guest27017> chancellorsmith: danieldaniel already killed one by randomly attacking it with a soldering iron
[21:23] <D34TH> heh
[21:23] <D34TH> rpi overclockers club
[21:23] <D34TH> :3
[21:24] <gartenzwerg> gobby_: SSHD autostart: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/ssh-guide-for-complete-noob#p68873
[21:24] <gordon_drogon> hm. not tried overclocking yet.... there's a thing.
[21:24] <Guest27017> gordon_drogon: It will only end in tears
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> or faster SDL graphics :)
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> let me find that wiki page on config.txt...
[21:25] <gordon_drogon> arm_freq=800
[21:26] <gordon_drogon> 697.96 bogo mips at 700MHz.
[21:27] <gordon_drogon> trying 800.
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[21:28] <gordon_drogon> oooh 795.44 bogomips now.
[21:28] <gordon_drogon> almost 100 more bogo mips!
[21:29] <gordon_drogon> Hm. ARM. RISC. Once instruction per cycle - bogo mips = CPU freq..
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[21:32] <gordon_drogon> andit is faster - last night my mandelbrot was taking 31.4 seconds, now 28.5
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[21:33] <gordon_drogon> wonder if I should try for 1GHz.
[21:33] <haltdef> melty melty
[21:34] <mpthompson> Given how rare these things are these days, you are pretty brave (or foolish) for messing with the Pi in a way that could damage it.
[21:34] <Matt> I think this is very much an afternoon for some Bad Plus
[21:35] <haltdef> iirc you can't damage it unless you boost the voltage
[21:35] <chancellorsmith> go for 2Ghz ?
[21:35] <gordon_drogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/config-txt/#p40418
[21:35] <chancellorsmith> My Pi will become more rare
[21:35] <gordon_drogon> that seems to suggest it's OK to overclock a little but not overvolt..
[21:35] <chancellorsmith> my pi that is that I haven't received yet
[21:36] <gordon_drogon> and overvolting sets a little fuse internally so they know it's been overvolted ;-)
[21:36] <IT_Sean> you aren't going to get 2 GHz out of it
[21:36] <gordon_drogon> I suspect not without a lot of cooling!
[21:36] <chancellorsmith> possible to run it in a freezer ?
[21:36] <chancellorsmith> Thing is how do you close the door ?
[21:36] <ReggieUK> bluetooth
[21:37] <Matt> chancellorsmith: you would still have the problem of heat dissipation
[21:37] <chancellorsmith> Battery powered??? would wifi penetrate then you could ssh in ?
[21:37] <chancellorsmith> ok
[21:37] <chancellorsmith> My plan is to show it to my Son (3 years old) to try and enthuse him about stuff
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[21:38] <Guest32410> hi
[21:38] <chancellorsmith> trouble is he's already an iDevice expert, so seeing some basic prog might not cut it
[21:38] <chancellorsmith> hopefully though the "building and tinkering" gene will kick in and all will be ace
[21:38] <DrHorrible_KingO> anyone had one up over 900 yet
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[21:39] <gordon_drogon> it's booted at 800MHz - starting X..
[21:39] <gordon_drogon> er, 900, sorry.
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[21:39] <gordon_drogon> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[21:39] <Guest32410> make a case out of dry ice
[21:40] * IT_Sean wants to try to OC his to 1 GHz
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[21:41] <Guest32410> my phone has no problem overclocking from 600mhz to 800
[21:41] <haltdef> can't see overclocking the pi allowing it to do anything it couldn't at stock
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[21:42] <haltdef> it's still only an arm11
[21:42] <gordon_drogon> now down to 26.5 seconds for the mandelbrot.
[21:42] <gordon_drogon> wonder what the temp. is.
[21:42] <gordon_drogon> it doesn't seem to have any sensors.
[21:42] <Guest32410> haltdef: it would only take 200 hours to compile something instead of 201
[21:43] <chancellorsmith> just think what you could do in that hour?
[21:43] <Guest32410> bake a cake
[21:43] <mpthompson> wash my dog
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[21:44] <chancellorsmith> Is logo on the pi debian image
[21:44] <chancellorsmith> I mean you know FORWARD 10 RIGHT 90 FORWARD 10
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[21:45] <chancellorsmith> that sort of thing
[21:45] <bjorn`> So, class10 cards are unsupported?
[21:45] <gordon_drogon> don't know about logo, but I have a BASIC with turtle graphics instructions in it.
[21:45] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[21:46] <gordon_drogon> that's what I'm running my mandelbrot test in.
[21:47] <mjr> bjorn`, transfer modes requiring <3.3V voltage are unsupported, and support of those happens to be correlated with being class 10. There has been speculation on being able to get such cards to function (in a slower transfer mode) through patching the kernel. I don't know how things are with that.
[21:47] <Matt> (The Bad Plus)++
[21:47] <gordon_drogon> that's what I'm running my mandelbrot test in.list
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[21:48] <gordon_drogon> stuck a temp probe on the chip & putthe mandelbrot in a loop..
[21:48] <gordon_drogon> having the probe on the chip won't help with cooling though.
[21:48] <gordon_drogon> it's currently 38C.
[21:49] <bjorn`> mjr: aha. thanks!
[21:49] <gordon_drogon> wonder how high to let it go...
[21:49] <bjorn`> Off to get a class4 one in the morning then
[21:49] <gordon_drogon> I have class 4's. slow.
[21:49] <gordon_drogon> I have a class 6 too - faster, but while it worked with debian image 2, it doesn't work with debian image 3. )-:
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[21:50] <bjorn`> weird
[21:50] <gordon_drogon> yea, I was somewhat annoyed.
[21:50] <gordon_drogon> I just see massive filesystem corruptions.
[21:50] <hotwings> thats incredibly stupid gordon_drogon
[21:50] <gordon_drogon> wat's stupid?
[21:50] <mjr> it really depends on the card. And class 10 emphasizes sequential bulk transfers. Class 4/6 are not necessarily proportionally slower in Pi use (a lot more random access than cameras).
[21:51] <hotwings> i would be pissed.. but then i guess its wise to allow time for the kinks to be worked out with something so new
[21:51] <ReggieUK> language hotwings! :)
[21:51] <gordon_drogon> it's mildly annoying. I can live with it.
[21:51] <Thorn__> I do wish farnell would stop phoning me every morning
[21:51] <gordon_drogon> 40C.
[21:51] <Thorn__> They keep nagging me to make a pi order because I went to the order page when they first came out (but never confirmed it)
[21:52] <mjr> If you want speed, you might want to run a USB system, having a small SD for mostly booting. And recommending an USB root for speed wasn't something I thought I'd be doing ;)
[21:52] <hotwings> ReggieUK - what did i say? :(
[21:52] <mjr> 'course, if you want speed, you might want something that's not the pi, but ;)
[21:52] <TopherBrink> is the usb booting system an option yet
[21:52] <hotwings> TopherBrink - i dont think usb booting will ever be an option
[21:53] <Hexxeh> TopherBrink: yes
[21:53] <hotwings> seems like i remember reading that
[21:53] <Hexxeh> no, i'm doing it right now
[21:53] <hotwings> Hexxeh - so you can boot a pi without an sd card at all?
[21:53] <Hexxeh> you need to have your kernel on the SD, but everything else can be on USB
[21:53] <TopherBrink> i assume with an sd
[21:53] <mjr> yeah that's why I said "a small SD for booting"
[21:53] <TopherBrink> yup
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[21:54] <TopherBrink> looking forward to seeing chromium os too
[21:55] <Hexxeh> looking forward to seeing xorg drivers :P
[21:55] <gartenzwerg> ls
[21:55] <mjr> I dunno, X acceleration seems to me a bit of a blown-up issue. It'd be nice but meh.
[21:56] <gartenzwerg> *oop wrong window :-)
[21:56] <gordon_drogon> I want SDL to go faster...
[21:56] <Thorn__> gartenzwerg: "Downloads Desktop GoatPorn"
[21:56] <gartenzwerg> lol
[21:56] <gordon_drogon> 40.9C now. it's slowed down and still doing the mandelbrots OK.
[21:56] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, I would like to link to your Raspbian image from the new Raspbian web site that is just coming up. Do you want to add it or should I?
[21:57] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: Go ahead and add it
[21:57] <TopherBrink> i'm an OS freak, i've played with Hexxeh's Chromium more than a few times. naturally curious on the RPi one.
[21:57] <gordon_drogon> hm. do I need a new raspbian image, or will apt-get update/upgrade be good enough?
[21:57] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: i'll add the raspbian domains to the hotlink whitelist
[21:58] * trench smells the pi
[21:58] <gordon_drogon> well there's an hour of good TV now, I'll leave it running and see what happens :)
[21:59] <mpthompson> OK, I just have one change I would like you to make. Could you change the "sources.list" file to use "http://archive.raspian.org/raspbian" I'm trying to move away from the .com domain. It's not a big priority though as well keep the other link active.
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[21:59] <amelia_> Hej
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[21:59] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: i'll change that in the next image
[22:00] <gordon_drogon> have taken the probe off the chip, so it's air cooled again :)
[22:00] <mpthompson> OK, thanks. Also, if you could register on the raspbian.org site I'll authorize you to edit pages so you can update the description as needed and such.
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[22:03] <gartenzwerg> nice, a new release. what do you think about adding "contrib" in the sources.list? when I tried to install VICE ( http://elinux.org/RPi_VICE_C64_Emulator ), I had to do it manually
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[22:07] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: done
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[22:13] <passstab> will this debhf thing be use testing or stable?
[22:15] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, do you have instructions for putting the image on an SD card? I assume that one just uses dd on a Linux system.
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[22:17] <gartenzwerg> mpthompson: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[22:21] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: identical to the debian image instructions :P
[22:21] <Hexxeh> passstab: testing
[22:22] <passstab> cool
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[22:31] <plugwash> passstab, it is based on wheezy which is currently testing
[22:32] <plugwash> when wheezy becomes stable we will have to decide what to do, likely keep wheezy arround and also start building the new testing. I don't think building the handful of updates stable gets should be too much work for the autobuilders
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[22:44] <plugwash> *shouldn't be too much work
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[22:45] <passstab> lol
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[22:59] <passstab> maby it will have merged with Debian by then
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[23:04] <Donnetje> Ohhi
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[23:05] <Guest32410> hi
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[23:08] <Linkas> what's going on? pre-order now on element14? I wonder when I will get a reply. i've been waiting since saturday for email
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[23:14] <Guest32410> Linkas: The raspberry pi was a limited release, and all units have been accounted for.
[23:14] <Guest32410> Linkas: You're going to have to wait for the sequel, the raspberry pi 2, coming this October to a retailer near you.
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[23:15] <Linkas> Guest32410: how do you know?
[23:15] <Guest32410> raspberrypi.org
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[23:22] <gartenzwerg> after installing the latest kernel.img and start.elf from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot on the 04/19 Debian installation, hello_triangle doesn't work anymore
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[23:23] <gartenzwerg> it says "incompatible VCHIQ library", any ideas?
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[23:24] <Guest32410> gartenzwerg: add an issue
[23:25] <gartenzwerg> I don't know if I did anything right, maybe there is an updated VCHIQ library as well
[23:25] <gartenzwerg> where is the bug tracker?
[23:25] <Hexxeh> no, you need to update /opt/vc too
[23:25] <Hexxeh> that's why
[23:26] <Hexxeh> don't file an issue, pebcak
[23:26] <gartenzwerg> ok, thanks
[23:26] <Hexxeh> alternatively
[23:26] <Hexxeh> use rpi-update because it does all of this for you...
[23:26] <Hexxeh> :V
[23:26] <Hexxeh> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
[23:27] <gartenzwerg> nice, I'll try it
[23:27] <meatbot> RPi2? Must be a joke.
[23:28] <Guest32410> meatbot: you're a joke
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[23:29] <meatbot> Some would agree..
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[23:30] <Guest32410> http://i.imgur.com/CwKeQ.jpg
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[23:36] <Cheery> Guest32410: I thought you did not have facists there.. but the picture proves me wrong.
[23:37] <Cheery> what a vicious patrol
[23:37] <Guest32410> Cheery: Too much rain and the swans take over!
[23:38] <gordon_drogon> What ho.
[23:38] <gordon_drogon> Mandelbrot still going @ 900MHz.
[23:38] <gordon_drogon> Chip temp is dunno. not too hot to touch so under 45C.
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[23:39] <Cheery> I wonder how durable is this thing?
[23:39] <gordon_drogon> thermometer is a bit slow and my IR one is in the kitchen.
[23:40] <gurgalof> mandelbrot on a rpi :P
[23:40] <gordon_drogon> how durable the pi is?
[23:40] <gobby_> Pi up and running apache :)
[23:40] <gobby_> http://[2a00:ed0:1:2002:ba27:ebff:fee7:b451]/
[23:40] <gordon_drogon> is this a test to see how many of us have IPv6?
[23:40] <gurgalof> a friend did a mandelbrot on a 120mhz ARM on a sumo robot...
[23:40] <gurgalof> 120MHz
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[23:41] <gurgalof> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqcW1RaWH_4
[23:41] <gobby_> It's certainly interesting to see how many people have v6
[23:42] <gordon_drogon> I can't ping it.
[23:42] <Guest32410> link works for me fine
[23:42] <gobby_> That and I couldn't be bothered to set up a v4 NAT
[23:42] <mjr> ping works fine, as does the site. You have to use ping6, remember.
[23:42] <gobby_> ordon_drogon:are you remembering to ping6 ?
[23:43] <gordon_drogon> yea, I mis copy&pasted.
[23:43] <Guest32410> lol
[23:43] <gordon_drogon> I can ping it.
[23:43] <Guest32410> gordon_drogon: I miss your webcam
[23:44] <gordon_drogon> Heh... had to remove it yesterday.
[23:44] <plugwash> mmm, 2a00, I guess that indicates your ISP was late to jump on the IPv6 bandwagon
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[23:44] <gobby_> lol
[23:44] <Guest32410> I remember, once a guy walked through the courtyard, it was glorious.
[23:44] <gordon_drogon> w3m: Can't load 2a00:ed0:1:2002:ba27:ebff:fee7:b451.
[23:44] <gordon_drogon> well thermo is at 38C.
[23:44] <gordon_drogon> So I think that's fine - my Pi can run at 900MHz without overvolting it.
[23:45] <gordon_drogon> watertower.drogon.net has IPv6 address 2001:4d48:ad51:8900::1
[23:46] <gordon_drogon> [Raspi_Colo]Raspberry Pi[Raspi_Colo]
[23:46] <gordon_drogon> once I got the URL sorted.
[23:46] <gordon_drogon> Hurrah, I guess :)
[23:47] <dmsuse> but does 900 actually make it run any faster?
[23:47] <gordon_drogon> must get my hosting IPv6 sorted this month.
[23:47] <gobby_> plugwash:I work @ said ISP and we've had IPv6 for a while
[23:47] <gordon_drogon> sure - it's going a lot faster.
[23:47] <Guest32410> Do v6 IPs always need square brackets?
[23:47] <gordon_drogon> In URLs
[23:48] <gordon_drogon> otherwise it gets parsed as host:port
[23:48] <gobby_> An address literal url does
[23:48] <Guest32410> why did they go with : instead of .?
[23:48] <D34TH> gordon throw a passive on it
[23:48] <mjr> it's a bit inconvenient, though really, using the raw ipv6 isn't something you want to be doing anyway, so meh
[23:48] <gordon_drogon> passive? Oh heatsink?
[23:48] <D34TH> yep
[23:48] <gordon_drogon> it's not too hot for that.
[23:48] <dmsuse> water cool!
[23:49] <gobby_> I can't remember what RIPE's IPv6 assignment from IANA is
[23:49] <plugwash> gobby_, afaict older allocations are all in 2001 while newer ones have much higher first numbers
[23:49] <dmsuse> i read cpu load on an arm does not necessarily increase the heat of the cpu ?
[23:49] <Guest32410> What if you wrapped an ice pack around it?
[23:49] <gartenzwerg> Hexxeh: the update script finished without errors, after rebooting and recompiling hello_triangle it said libvcos.so not found, ldconfig fixed this, now it says: triangle.c:167: init_ogl: Assertion 'state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed
[23:49] * mjr got a 2001 net, yay
[23:49] <Guest32410> dmsuse: It does on my phone.
[23:50] <Hexxeh> gartenzwerg: oops, forgot ldconfig, i'll add that
[23:50] <D34TH> heh "my rpi uses LN2" cant wait
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[23:50] <Hexxeh> the triangle error i'm not sure about though
[23:50] <Hexxeh> try a reboot maybe?
[23:50] <Dagger2> Guest32410: you can do e.g. ::ffff: as an alternative to ::ffff:c000:201, and using periods for the rest of the address would lead to ambiguity
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[23:50] <gartenzwerg> ok, again :-)
[23:50] * Hexxeh disappears
[23:50] <gobby_> plugwash: Our assignment was 2008/2009 so relatively recent
[23:51] <Dagger2> although I don't know if that's the reason they did it, or just a benefit of doing so
[23:51] <gordon_drogon> I have 2a00:0ce0:0002::/48 in my co-lo.
[23:51] * Guest74185 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:51] <gartenzwerg> I rebooted with "reboot", now I'll try a power off/on reboot
[23:51] <gordon_drogon> going to try 1GHz.
[23:52] <Dagger2> gobby_: so, how many of us with v6 then? and what fraction aren't Teredo?
[23:52] <dmsuse> :o u madman!
[23:52] <Guest32410> gordon_drogon: Are you not worried about shortening the life of your pi?
[23:52] <gobby_> I have 2a00:ed0:1:2002::/64 in my house! ;)
[23:52] <gordon_drogon> it's said that overclocking probably won't shorten the life, but overvolting may.
[23:52] <dmsuse> i dont see how it can shorten the life if its not getting any hotter?
[23:52] <D34TH> mine is 2001:470:5:9b1::/64
[23:53] <gordon_drogon> home is 2001:4d48:ad51:8900::1/56
[23:53] * gurgalof (~gurgalof@m90-131-228-249.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[23:53] <gordon_drogon> it's not booting at 1Ghz.
[23:53] <gartenzwerg> Hexxeh: same assertion fail
[23:53] <gordon_drogon> bother. I'll need to take the SD card out now.
[23:54] <Hexxeh> gartenzwerg: i'd say it's probably not a problem with the libs
[23:55] <gobby_> # cat /var/log/httpd/access_log | grep -v 2a00:ed0:1: | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:0:5ef5:73b8:106b:118e:a9e1:3b5e
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:1bc8:102:60d4:e2cb:4eff:fec5:d8a8
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:470:6903::1
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:470:6903:1:7844:49e9:be9e:ffb
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:4d48:ad51:8900::1
[23:55] <gobby_> 2001:5c0:1400:a::487
[23:55] <gobby_> 2002:5870:4d26:5678:95c7:8889:fa27:9fd4
[23:55] <Guest32410> GRRRR, I hate waiting for tv shows to air
[23:56] <gobby_> Not many
[23:56] <Guest32410> Come on fringe hurry up
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[23:56] <gordon_drogon> ok, back to 900MHz and it's booted OK.
[23:56] <markus__> Guest32410: fringe?
[23:56] <Guest32410> markus__: Best show ever
[23:56] <markus__> i have never seen it
[23:57] <Guest32410> gordon_drogon: try 999mhz
[23:57] <gobby_> Only the one Teredo
[23:57] <markus__> i like a series called peep show
[23:57] <gordon_drogon> as for speed - yes, @700MHz the mandelbrot takes 31.5 secs, 800MHz it took 28.5 and at 900MHz it was at 26.5 seconds.
[23:58] <Guest32410> markus__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQWm7FiEKk
[23:58] <Guest32410> markus__: Yeah peep show is amazing
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[23:58] <gordon_drogon> it's a bit old now, isn't it?
[23:58] <Guest32410> markus__: Love david mitchell
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[23:58] <Guest32410> gordon_drogon: old?
[23:59] <gordon_drogon> the show - or are they still making new episodes?
[23:59] <markus__> Guest32410: do you know if peep show is still airing?
[23:59] <Guest32410> gordon_drogon: Which one, peep show or fringe? Because they're are both still airing
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[23:59] <gartenzwerg> Hexxeh: I've booted the original Debian from the other SD card and compared "tvservice -s", both the same output, 1920x1200 @ 60 Hz, but I've played a bit with my other installation, modified keyboard settings etc., I'll try the update script on the working version
[23:59] <markus__> i stopped watching after season 5 or 6 i don't know if i've seen them all

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