#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-06

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <DaQatz> If mplayer has a driver for it.
[0:00] <dmsuse> there is already a driver for the framebuffer?
[0:00] <DaQatz> I do not yet have my pi. So Not played with that yet.
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[0:02] <DaQatz> ]
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[0:12] <Aldasa> hey.
[0:12] <Aldasa> any quake III servers?
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[0:14] <Aldasa> anyone hosting a quake III deathmatch?
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[0:14] <ollymorfik_> yea join me at
[0:14] <ollymorfik_> :D
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[0:14] <ollymorfik_> ::1
[0:15] <plugwash> note to self, check for existing FTBFS bug reports BEFORE spendin many hours trying to get a package to build
[0:15] <Frag|AdamH> olly thats a internal ip
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[0:15] <ollymorfik_> thats the joke
[0:15] <Aldasa> :(
[0:16] <Hydrazine> mine should be up and running at
[0:16] <Hydrazine> :D
[0:16] <Aldasa> lol, u guys are funny tonite!
[0:16] <Hydrazine> these jokes never get old do they
[0:16] <Frag|AdamH> i have had a few people say to me play xyz game on my server the ip is or the 192 and they dont see its not the right ip
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[0:17] <Hydrazine> but tbh, no clue if there are any servers online
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[0:17] <Aldasa> kk. on the website they say to ask here for servers
[0:17] <Hydrazine> true :P
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[0:36] <Frag|AdamH> win.
[0:36] <Frag|AdamH> had the pi for 5 hours
[0:36] <Frag|AdamH> just finaly got it to be proper 1080p
[0:37] <Frag|AdamH> note to self: just do it on the pi not on my unbuntu lappy
[0:37] <tzarc> Simon-: it seems github was replicating or something, grabbing it inow
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[0:44] <Simon-> tzarc: I've not yet seen it booting successfully, so something may be wrong
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[0:44] <tzarc> fair enough, will have a go from my end when it comes thru
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[0:47] <des2> Congrats Frag.
[0:47] <Frag|AdamH> my name is Adam and im part of FragRadio so thats why it says frag
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[0:49] <Aldasa> has anybody got pi running on a sandisk micro 16gb class 6?
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[0:50] <Aldasa> wouldnt boot for me. tried two different distros
[0:52] <Frag|AdamH> seem to remember reading somewhere that someone else couldnt get that to work ether
[0:53] <tzarc> got a couple of class 6 8gb's working fine
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[1:07] <Simon-> running gcc on the rpi is incredibly slow...
[1:08] <tzarc> tell me about it
[1:08] <tzarc> I need to sort out a cross-compiler, running in a chroot is too slow too
[1:08] <ollymorfik_> thats why god made a cross compiler
[1:09] <Simon-> you're compiling the kernel on the device itself? :/
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[1:09] <tzarc> hell no, in a chroot on my dev box
[1:09] <tzarc> but even still that's painfully slow
[1:09] <ollymorfik_> anyone time a full kernel build? all modules
[1:09] <tzarc> ~45 mins
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[1:10] <tzarc> oh, on the device
[1:10] <tzarc> couldn't be fucked sitting there that long
[1:10] * Simon- wonders why the ntpd shm driver appears to ignore the time values if the current year is 1970
[1:10] <Simon-> 3m 46s for defconfig
[1:10] <Simon-> but I'm cross compiling
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[1:12] <ollymorfik_> seriously if i dont get mine soon im going to bust some heads
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[1:13] * Hydrazine hides
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[1:17] <Hydrazine> thats a lot of flooding
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[1:18] <amelia_> indeed
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[1:18] <ollymorfik_> hearing about somone in here gloating about getting more than one, chick reselling one on ebay for 150$+ getting theirs from dosing the distributers sites for hours till everyone else gave up and they got through
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[1:18] <SpeedEvil> The internet is amazing.
[1:18] <ollymorfik_> wheres my gun
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[1:18] <SpeedEvil> I can lie under the blankets, and order 10 cabbages for delivery on monday.
[1:19] <winocm> ...
[1:19] <winocm> sorry about that.
[1:19] <ollymorfik_> order me some xannax
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[1:20] <SpeedEvil> Tescos search blows.
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=265621487
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> (result for xannax
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[1:21] <Simon-> not bad for a GPS without PPS... offset -0.009562 sec
[1:22] <Simon-> https://github.com/lp0/gps_nmea/commit/0b49850004814359137a455ed59e2f6d23e9f636 is cheating but it works
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[3:00] <tzarc> Simon-: no compilation issues, doesn't boot though
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[3:02] <tzarc> mm, just a black screen with no output
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[3:03] <mkopack> ok, OMG, "The Avengers" was AWESOME!
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[3:09] <janua> Is anyone using a Sony SDHC 8GB card with their Pi? I tried to boot from it this evening but it wouldn't boot.
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[3:16] <ollymorfik_> kick it
[3:19] <mkopack> janua: What class card is it? The Pi has major problems with many Class 10 cards
[3:19] <mkopack> Need to stick to Class 4 or 6 right now
[3:19] <janua> mkopack: How do i find out?
[3:20] <mkopack> um, is there anything on the card that has like a C with a little 10 or 4 or 6 on it?
[3:20] <janua> mkopack: There is a C with a 4 inside it
[3:20] <mkopack> Ok, so you have a class 4, that's good
[3:20] <janua> Its almost completely surrounded by the C
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[3:20] <mkopack> Did you write the os image onto it correctly?
[3:21] <janua> mkopack: Let me explain real quick, what i did
[3:21] <mkopack> ie: you didn't just copy the image file, but actually did the dd ?
[3:21] <janua> I used DD
[3:21] <mkopack> Check the SD card in another computer with an SD slot. Make sure there are 2 partitions, 1 small FAT one with the boot files, 1 larger one with the Linux / directory on it
[3:22] <janua> Anyway, i used DD when i got the card, copied onto the card, and then tried to use parted to fix the partitions since i will be using the debian image. But this didnt go to well after, so i decided to try again. But i didnt think i needed to format it to use dd on it again. So that is what i did, ran dd again and then tried to boot it on the pi as a 2gb partition, and it wouldn't boot. Do you think this may have effected it?
[3:22] <janua> There are three partitions on it now. I can see when i use parted on it
[3:23] <janua> One is Fat32, the next is ext4, the third is swap
[3:23] <mkopack> that should work, DD will wipe over the whole stick
[3:23] <mkopack> or card rather
[3:23] <janua> mkopack: I thought so
[3:23] <mkopack> so, got me at that point
[3:23] <mkopack> sounds like it should work fine
[3:24] <tzarc> as long as you dd'ed to the device, not the partition
[3:24] <janua> tzarc: Hmmm
[3:24] <tzarc> although if you can see it in other tools it should be ok
[3:24] <tzarc> I threw a 2gb image over the top of an 8gb stick and it worked fine
[3:24] <janua> When i plug my device into linux, it comes up as two devices /dev/mmcblk0 and /dev/mmcblk0p1, which should i use dd to copy to?
[3:24] <tzarc> without the p1
[3:24] <janua> DAMNIT
[3:25] <janua> There you have it
[3:25] <tzarc> heh
[3:25] <tzarc> p1 means partition 1
[3:25] <janua> I just assumed you copy to the device showing on the list in df
[3:25] <tzarc> the image has an included partition table
[3:25] <janua> So what is p1 then in this case?
[3:26] <tzarc> first partition of the original contents of the stick
[3:26] <janua> It came like that, i wonder what it refers to
[3:26] <janua> Do these cards come partitioned?
[3:26] <tzarc> usually
[3:26] <janua> Really
[3:26] <janua> Interesting
[3:26] <tzarc> well did it ask you to format it when you stuck it in?
[3:26] <janua> So i wrote the img to a partition?
[3:26] <janua> Nope
[3:26] <janua> It didnt
[3:27] <tzarc> yeah, you wrote it to a partition - you want to write it to the device instead
[3:27] <tzarc> how it came: ( partition table ( partition 1 ) )
[3:27] <tzarc> what you wrote: ( partition table ( partition table ( partition 1 ) ) )
[3:27] <janua> tzarc: And dd probably didnt complain when it couldnt write after the end of a potentially small partition?
[3:27] <janua> Oh god :)
[3:27] <tzarc> :P
[3:27] <janua> I was having mounting hell today, that was probably why
[3:28] <janua> tzarc: One more question. After unmounting the card in ubuntu, how do i get the system to automatically pick it back up again? It seems to be ignored now that i used umount
[3:29] <tzarc> well you overwrote the partition table, so it won't be able to mount anything off that properly any more
[3:29] <tzarc> errr
[3:29] <tzarc> overwrote the first partition
[3:29] <janua> So that is the reason it wasnt being mounted when i reinerted it?
[3:29] <janua> reinserted*
[3:29] <tzarc> yeah, it can't detect the filesystem type, because it's no longer a filesystem!
[3:30] <janua> tzarc: Thanks! Glad i figured it out. I just can never leave something without understanding it, so frusrating
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[3:30] <tzarc> :)
[3:30] <janua> I might do a late night boot of it
[3:31] <tzarc> basically linux will be looking at the second partition table in the "diagram" I did before
[3:31] <tzarc> and it won't detect what filesystem that is, because it thinks the partition table is actually a filesystem
[3:31] <tzarc> because the first partition table says it is
[3:31] <janua> And it isnt
[3:32] <tzarc> look at the first partition table => find first partition => first partition doesn't match any known signature => ignore it
[3:32] <janua> Ah
[3:36] <janua> tzarc: Mounts! Excited! Do you know how to enable sshd for the boot sequence?
[3:37] <tzarc> not for what you're running, I've built my rootfs instead of using a prebuilt image
[3:37] <tzarc> i think there's some file on the first partition that enables it?
[3:37] <tzarc> boot.rc or somesuch
[3:38] <janua> Yes
[3:39] <janua> Actually i rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc. Think i cant understand is what if something else needs boot.rc
[3:39] <janua> I wont question it too much and get booting!
[3:43] <bjorn`> Drunk conversations for free!
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[5:38] <wcchandler> which image is "liam's image" with xbmc and omxplayer?
[5:38] <wcchandler> is that the current debian image?
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[6:11] <tzarc> ugh, can't get this cross compiler compiled
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[6:57] <kallisti5> question. Which uart on the arm is pointed to the uart breakout pins?
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[7:01] <kallisti5> I know there is a UART0_BASE and a UART1_BASE
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[7:08] <ShiftPlusOne> you're asking us mere mortals?
[7:08] <ShiftPlusOne> though shouldn't that be something you'd get from the schematic?
[7:08] <Crenn-NAS> kallisti5: Give em 2 ticks
[7:09] <Crenn-NAS> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals USART1 apparently
[7:09] <Crenn-NAS> And usart0.... what?!
[7:09] <kallisti5> yeah
[7:10] <Crenn-NAS> Use USART0 unless that is tied up elsewhere
[7:10] <Crenn-NAS> I don't believe it is though
[7:10] <kallisti5> the linux kernel patches out there seem to say UART1
[7:10] <kallisti5> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/d5ef856b4628a4531c1627dec100eeff15e8b31e#L16R267
[7:11] <kallisti5> although they add 0x40 to the base which is strange
[7:11] * kallisti5 is trying to get UART output under Haiku on the pi :)
[7:11] <kallisti5> i've gotten our bootloader working... flips the OK led on and everything running bare metal
[7:12] <kallisti5> but our arm uart code doesn't seem to be working
[7:12] <Crenn-NAS> I'm still learning about linux drivers/modules
[7:14] <kallisti5> ah.. that BCM2835 schematic shows xxxx5040 as the base address for the uart
[7:14] <kallisti5> that explains the + 0x40
[7:14] <kallisti5> weird
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, is it all just pure assembly? (to flip the leds)
[7:16] <kallisti5> nah.. i cheated and used the Linux GPIO demo C code
[7:16] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: let me pull the url
[7:16] <kallisti5> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm
[7:17] <kallisti5> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm/gpio.h#n15
[7:17] <kallisti5> the defines are modified a bit however
[7:18] <kallisti5> keep in mind that's raw hardware access (no mapped memory) as we are *early* in the bootloader it works fine
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> that's awesome
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[7:19] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: it'll be more awesome when I get this silly uart working :)
[7:19] <kallisti5> the BCM2835 pdf is helping now though.. i forgot all about it :)
[7:20] <kallisti5> even though the pi really isn't a BCM2835.. i guess thats what vidcore emulates?
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I just like that we can get an access level that low on such a board.
[7:20] <kallisti5> yeah... although the org wasn't much help here
[7:20] <kallisti5> when I started emailing Eben about the docs for the blobs he didn't budge much on info
[7:21] <kallisti5> but.. i guess I can't blame him for that :P
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> probably a conflict of interest of some kind where he can't really give too much info out.
[7:21] <kallisti5> true.. i did ask that the blobs give some output via uart on boot for debugging
[7:21] <kallisti5> he said he would add it as an enhancement
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean the pi isn't a BCM2835 though?
[7:22] <kallisti5> I thought it was a video centric cpu that emulated an arm cpu
[7:23] <kallisti5> thus all the secret blobs
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[7:23] <kallisti5> eeh.. i guess I may be off there
[7:24] <kallisti5> the BCM2835 contains an ARM11 bolted onto a VideoCore gpu
[7:24] <kallisti5> the VideoCore GPU is the muscle, while the ARM11 isn't as powerful... at least thats how I understood it ^_^
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought that's exactly what the pi had.
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[7:50] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, after you get uart working you'll be able to hook up a 3.3v ttl-usb cable and be able to debug what's actually going on a bit better?
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[8:27] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: yeah... already have a 3.3v-usb ttl cable :)
[8:27] <kallisti5> the uart on the Pi is... strange
[8:28] <RITRedbeard> is it?
[8:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I think I might jump on that as well when I get mine... just to tinker with some assembly maybe.
[8:28] <ShiftPlusOne> so you better get UART working by then! >=/
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[8:28] <kallisti5> RITRedbeard: yeah.. none of the registers I've seen thus far align with standard uart regs
[8:29] <kallisti5> ex. 8250, 16550, etc
[8:29] <RITRedbeard> O_O
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[8:35] <kallisti5> well.. everything points to the ports being "standard-like"
[8:35] <kallisti5> the Linux uart / serial driver shows a standard 8250 device type, but the bcm pdf shows non-standard offsets
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[9:05] <mozzwald> ShiftPlusOne: i'm not 100% what's causing the problems I have. i've checked voltage and current (albeit with my $10 dmm) with multiple power supplies and usb cables. power appears to be sufficient so I am suspecting usb driver problem
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[9:55] <Simon-> tzarc: great :/
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[9:58] <RITRedbeard> kill it with fire
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[10:12] <Simon-> Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 raspberrypi ttyAMA0
[10:12] <Simon-> now to find out why this kernel won't boot
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[10:38] <Simon-> I get nothing out of the serial port :/
[10:39] <Simon-> ShiftPlusOne: you can execute assembly from within linux
[10:40] <Simon-> kallisti5: the serial driver was already in the kernel - you want drivers/tty/serial/amba-pl*
[10:41] <Simon-> kallisti5: and what appears as ttyAMA0 in linux is pins 06 08 and 10
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[10:54] <Simon-> it'd be nice to convert first32k.bin to some working arm assembly instead of loading it as a blob from a text file
[10:58] <Simon-> either it's not even getting to start_kernel or the code to turn the OK led on isn't doing anything
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[11:06] <Simon-> 24: e3a01042 mov r1, #66 ; 0x42
[11:06] <Simon-> 28: e3811c0c orr r1, r1, #3072 ; 0xc00
[11:06] <Simon-> that looks like it's loading 0x0c42, which is the expected machine type 3138 :)
[11:09] <tzarc> oh man, proper cross compler finally working
[11:09] <tzarc> sooooooooooooo much ridiculously faster
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[11:11] <Simon-> I'm failing to even get the OK LED to light :\
[11:11] <tzarc> :S
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[11:15] <Simon-> kallisti5's code definitely works as I can use it directly to make the OK LED light
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[11:21] * Simon- recompiles with 3.1.9 to see if that can be made to light the LED
[11:23] <Simon-> actually, it'd be simpler if the kernel compile itself just included first32k.bin
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[11:43] <tzarc> man, I should've done this damn cross compiler first
[11:43] <tzarc> and I knew it too
[11:43] <tzarc> ugh
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[11:47] <janua> What do i need to run to boot up LXDE on the debian image? Im about to run out the door and trying to show someone before i go but cant find it in the wiki!
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[11:47] <shirro> startx
[11:47] <janua> Just startx
[11:47] <janua> Great! thanks shirro
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[11:56] <gordon_drogon> morning chaps.
[11:56] <gordon_drogon> and possible chapesses..
[11:57] <tzarc> evenin'
[11:57] <gordon_drogon> it's always morning somewhere :)
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[12:00] <Hydrazine> 11:58 here, still mporning
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[12:00] <gordon_drogon> your an hour ahead of me :)
[12:01] <Hydrazine> morning*
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[12:03] <Simon-> tzarc: what file are you using with imagetool-uncompressed.py ?
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[12:04] <tzarc> arch/arm/boot/Image
[12:04] <tzarc> why?
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[12:04] <tom_______> hello
[12:04] <Simon-> oh.
[12:04] <Simon-> that would explain why it doesn't do anything for me
[12:04] <tzarc> lol
[12:04] <tom_______> any have DWA-140 wifi dongle working on the pi? :)
[12:05] <tom_______> any one
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[12:05] * Simon- recompiles 3.4
[12:05] <tzarc> tom_______: probably a bit early for people to have a wide range of hardware
[12:06] * gordon_drogon gives raspbian a go again.
[12:06] <tom_______> when I try to compile the driver, i got "make : *** /lib/modules/3.1.9+/build : NO such file or directory. Stop". I checked the forums but apparently no one got a solution
[12:07] <tom_______> (new to Linux, I know :p)
[12:07] <tzarc> where are you compiling it?
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[12:08] <tom_______> ~/home/pi/driver_directory/
[12:08] <Simon-> tzarc: I think I'll add a custom "uncompressed" option that puts the required 32k boot code at the front
[12:08] <tom_______> with "sudo make"
[12:08] <tzarc> on the pi? or on your normal PC
[12:08] <tom_______> on the pi
[12:08] <tzarc> Simon-: sounds reasonable, bit fiddly having to do it in the first place tbh
[12:09] <tzarc> tom: have you got the kernel sources to compile against?
[12:09] <Simon-> unfortunately it still doesn't boot
[12:09] * Simon- tries 3.1.9 again
[12:09] <tzarc> bugger
[12:09] <tom_______> hmm I don't know.
[12:09] <tzarc> tom: then chances are you don't :P
[12:10] <tzarc> basically it can't find the source code to to kernel to compile against
[12:10] <tzarc> to the*
[12:10] <tom_______> ok
[12:10] <Simon-> tom_______: get a different device which has the driver in the mainline kernel
[12:10] <tom_______> What package should I get ?
[12:10] <tzarc> if you've used a prebuilt image, it's unlikely they'd package the kernel sources
[12:10] <tzarc> it's not that simple :P
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[12:10] <RITRedbeard> I keep reading those youtube things "...and I'm a Mormon." as "...and I'm a Moron."
[12:10] <RITRedbeard> so it gets a bit confusing :(
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[12:11] <tom_______> I bought this dongle because I thought it will be well supported :(
[12:11] <Simon-> is the driver in the mainline kernel?
[12:11] <tzarc> it's much much much much much easier if the driver is in mainline
[12:12] <tom_______> in the package firmware-ralink
[12:12] <tom_______> yes
[12:12] <tom_______> but I installed it, and my dongle isn't working
[12:12] <tom_______> I type iwconfig
[12:12] <tom_______> no wireless interface
[12:12] <Simon-> right, so you just need the ralink driver and the firmware
[12:13] <tntexplosivesltd> underscores
[12:13] <tntexplosivesltd> everywhere
[12:13] <benzeman> hey, problem with the RS order code... my mate has just put his code in, then the session timed out, and now the code is invalid! if I get him to give RS a ring, will they be able to simply reactivate it?
[12:13] <tom_______> sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink and sudo modprobe rt2800usb
[12:13] <tom_______> but still not working ^^
[12:15] <gordon_drogon> is there an online "howto" about compiling a new kernel for the Pi? (I'm OK compilingkernels for x86 and did one for the QEMU - just wonedering about any 'gotchas' for the real Pi)
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[12:16] <Hydrazine> gordon_drogon: there's one on the wiki iirc
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> ok. will have a look. just looking to add in ipv6 and my usual firewalling stuff - looks like the iptables helpers are missing.
[12:17] <Hydrazine> ah, shouldn't be to hard to do that
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> I might put one directly on the net for some friends to remotely access.
[12:17] <tzarc> I've already built one with ipv6/firewalling
[12:17] <gordon_drogon> ok
[12:17] <gartenzwerg> tom_______: there is a list of supported Wifi adapters: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters maybe easier to buy just one of it
[12:18] <gordon_drogon> I temd to build custom kernels for all my servers anyway - old habits and all that!
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[12:18] <gartenzwerg> you can check your USB ID with "lsusb"
[12:18] <tzarc> *nod*
[12:18] <tzarc> http://rpi.tzarc.org/files/kernel/3.1.9-FX2-r63/
[12:18] <tzarc> has a prebuilt copy
[12:18] <tzarc> kinda modified though, so it's not as small as the normal one
[12:18] <tzarc> bundled all the modules too
[12:19] <Simon-> I can boot 3.1.9 but not 3.4
[12:19] <Simon-> but I can't get 3.1.9 to stop and turn the OK LED on
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[12:20] <tom_______> lsusb gives me Bus 001 Device 004 : ID 2001.... D-Link Corp.
[12:21] <gordon_drogon> bother. thought I was in-luck with libSDL, but looks like it's not quite in raspbian yet.
[12:21] <gordon_drogon> E: Broken packages
[12:21] <gartenzwerg> what are the ....? the first part is the vendor id, the second part is the product id, nothing security critical you can't write in an IRC channel :-)
[12:21] <gartenzwerg> but looks like it is not in the list of supported hardware
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[12:22] <tom_______> lsusb gives me Bus 001 Device 004 : ID 2001:3c15 D-Link Corp.
[12:22] <tom_______> :p
[12:22] <tom_______> too bad
[12:22] <tom_______> :(
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[12:24] <gartenzwerg> Google has some results for it, this looks promising: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1914575
[12:25] <gartenzwerg> sometimes it is just the same chipset which is already supported by Linux, but you have to tell it the vendor and product id
[12:25] <Hydrazine> would be nice if we could add another stick to the "supported" list
[12:27] <tom_______> thank you
[12:28] <gartenzwerg> if it works, maybe add it to the wiki with some note what to do to make it work
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[12:40] <Simon-> tzarc: I've got it booting against 3.3!
[12:41] <Simon-> [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.3.0-00037-gc00a876-dirty (simon@redrum) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Gentoo 4.6.3 p1.0, pie-0.5.1) ) #30 PREEMPT Sun May 6 11:38:40 BST 2012
[12:41] <Simon-> it's now failing here: [ 4.434411] BCM2708FB: registering framebuffer (1824x1104@16)
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[12:44] <tzarc> progress!
[12:44] <tzarc> man, feel so much better after a shower
[12:45] <bjorn`> I can imagine
[12:45] <bjorn`> I'd have one too but I'm too busy enjoying my sunday
[12:45] <fakker> :D
[12:46] <Simon-> tzarc: there's a raspberrypi-3.3 branch if you want to try and fix it
[12:46] <tzarc> trying to work out why my bootup is stalling when loading modules
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[12:48] <tzarc> and that'd be it
[12:48] <tzarc> attempting to load a module when it's been compiled in
[12:48] <tzarc> gg
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[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, sorry, was at work. Yeah, I am aware that you can run assembly within linux, that's just no fun.
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[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> mozzwald, what keyboard were you using?
[12:58] <Simon-> tzarc: 3.3's not quite right yet... still fixing a couple of things
[13:01] <bjorn`> After my latest -Syu my framebuffer config seems to be gone with the wind. How do I enforce a fbdev resolution? I'm assuming bootargs but how is this done, I can't seem to find anywhere to put them?
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[13:02] <Simon-> tzarc: 3.3 rebased
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[13:02] <tzarc> kk, will grab in a few
[13:03] <tzarc> I'm having a brainfart with logic
[13:03] <tzarc> shell script is doing my head in, lol
[13:03] <mervaka> whats the logic?
[13:04] <tzarc> it's just how I want to act when I have different combinations of root=XXX and bootscript=XXX on the kernel commandline
[13:04] <mervaka> truth tables and karnaugh maps are your friend!
[13:04] <tzarc> yup
[13:04] <tzarc> doesn't stop me from brainfarting though :P
[13:04] <mervaka> :p
[13:05] <mervaka> i'm gonna have a stab at messing with GPIO soon
[13:06] <mervaka> need to see whether i can run a webcam without requiring an X server etc first.. hope so!
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[13:09] <gordon_drogon> webcam & X ought to be multually exclusive...
[13:09] <ollymorfik_> whats the camera for?
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[13:09] <gordon_drogon> even if I spell it wring :)
[13:09] <ollymorfik_> motion is cool at recording motion detected
[13:09] <ollymorfik_> played with that a few times
[13:10] <gordon_drogon> you can display stuff on the framebuffer without using X if you use SDL (etc)
[13:10] <ollymorfik_> i find usb webcams straight suck in general
[13:10] <ollymorfik_> crap framerates with crap resolutions
[13:10] <gordon_drogon> they'r cheap though...
[13:10] <mervaka> first idea i had was for a rather neat doorbell
[13:11] <mervaka> doorbell itself triggers a GPIO pin
[13:11] <gordon_drogon> heh.. we have a doorbell that you PULL... confuses people :)
[13:11] <mervaka> which initiates a skype call or similar
[13:11] <gordon_drogon> er... somewhat of an intersting, but geeky solution :)
[13:11] <mervaka> then i might go about sending back a signal to toggle a GPIO pin connected to an electronic lock or something
[13:11] <gordon_drogon> Gert published all his GPIO code for the Gertboard.
[13:12] <gordon_drogon> I've got a bunch of stuff here:
[13:12] <gordon_drogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[13:12] <mervaka> ah cool, cheers :)
[13:12] <mervaka> fancy having a play with SPI too
[13:12] <gordon_drogon> that's a C library.
[13:12] <mervaka> good.
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[13:12] <gordon_drogon> makes it look sort of arduino style.
[13:13] <gordon_drogon> there's a couple of SPI kernel drivers out there, I think. Not had the time to do one myself, but if the others work OK I might not bother.
[13:13] <mervaka> i gather i'd probably have to write a kernel module or something?
[13:13] <gordon_drogon> I'd actually like to do a proper kernel driver for the whole thing - allowing access from userland in a protected way- unlike the need at present to be root to mmap /dev/mem )-:
[13:15] <gordon_drogon> but maybe someone else will do it as I'm short of time for the next couple of weeks.
[13:16] <mervaka> lol
[13:16] <mervaka> http://mervaka.co.uk/~mervaka/.powertrack/
[13:16] <mervaka> if anyone knows the currentcost smart meters well, there's a bug in their firmware
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[13:17] <mervaka> where strange things happen, like when ch1 goes over about 3kw, ch2 goes up by about 144w
[13:18] <mervaka> (notice the red line goes up when the kettle comes on)
[13:18] <mervaka> might have to have a go hacking the currentcost meter..
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> mervaka: Why do you have multiple channels?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Oh - generation
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[13:23] <mervaka> and we have ecenomy7
[13:23] <mervaka> economy7*
[13:23] <mervaka> so night rate is connected to the night circuit
[13:24] <gordon_drogon> we have a dumb meter..
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[13:29] <tzarc> Simon-: 3.3.0 giving me a black screen too :S
[13:30] <Simon-> yes, it will
[13:30] <Simon-> use the serial console
[13:30] <tzarc> ahh, so it "works" :P
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[13:32] <mervaka> gordon_drogon: we also have a 'dumb' meter, but that also works to our advantage
[13:33] <mervaka> when we net export, the meter goes backwards :)
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[13:46] <tzarc> http://rpi.tzarc.org/files/kernel/3.1.9-FX2-r74/ ==> IPv6-ready kernel, with optional kernel modules archive and bootscript... it SHOULD work as a drop-in kernel though
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[13:55] <Matt> morning people of the pi
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[14:00] <techman2> evening
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[14:03] <gordon_drogon> aftermorning.
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[14:07] <Cheery> hi gordon_drogon
[14:07] <gordon_drogon> What Ho!
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> working on improving the efficiency of text entry/screen updates for my BASIC.
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> it's inefficiency is noticable on the Pi )-:
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[14:09] <Cheery> what are you doing then to improve it?
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> but it "gets away" with it on a normal desktop pc (even Atom based ones)
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> it's to do with SDL - I'm being lazy and asking SDL to update the whole screen - which involved a memory copy of 640x480x32bpp each time
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> since there's no hardware blit on the Pi, it's done by the Arm and slow.
[14:10] <gordon_drogon> even slower at higher resolutions )-:
[14:10] <tntexplosivesltd> basic with SDL
[14:10] <gordon_drogon> So SDL has the ability to just update small rectangles - so I need to update just the character rectangles.
[14:10] <tntexplosivesltd> interesting
[14:10] <Cheery> what makes you think that is the problem to solve?
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[14:11] <gordon_drogon> one issue is that if I let a key autorepeat then the Pi can't keep up with it.
[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> surely there's no advantage to using SDL if there's no hardware acceleration?
[14:11] <gordon_drogon> so you take finger off the key and it keeps on going )-:
[14:11] <tntexplosivesltd> might as well stick to ncurses =)
[14:11] <gordon_drogon> heh... it's somewhat challenging to go graphics in curses.
[14:12] <gordon_drogon> although early versions did use curses and had a separate graphics window.
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[14:12] <Cheery> hey gordon_drogon, since you have a pi, could you git clone git://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial.git ?
[14:12] <tntexplosivesltd> HoldenC: where'd that nick come from?
[14:12] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[14:12] <tntexplosivesltd> holden commodore?
[14:13] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: and try run the examples I haveo
[14:13] <Cheery> in pi.. :)
[14:13] <tntexplosivesltd> gordon_drogon: nice
[14:13] <HoldenC> tntexplosivesltd, nope, holden caulfield
[14:13] * gordon_drogon apt-get install git
[14:14] <tntexplosivesltd> HoldenC: well that's boring =P
[14:14] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: thing is my apps are highly likely updating screen as much as your stuff.. and that gives us a hint whether it's something to work on.
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> Cheery, for the most part it's just fine. it's only character entry that's slow - we're updating a tiny bit of the screen, but calling updaterect on the whole surface.
[14:15] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[14:15] <Cheery> also.. shouldn't SDL be able to run in terminal as well?
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> it runs on the console.
[14:15] <HoldenC> tntexplosivesltd, i know, explosives are much more fun...
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> however I can repeatedly crash the Pi requiring a power cycle that way.
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> there is some issue with requesting a size not avalable and it then crashing the pi.
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> I think the overscan settings get in the way.
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[14:16] <gordon_drogon> on a normal PC it just says no and aborts the program
[14:16] <tntexplosivesltd> HoldenC: hmm?
[14:17] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't get it =/
[14:17] <gordon_drogon> it's almost done installing git... so slow..
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[14:18] <Cheery> it feels like I'd need to get my own pi and see how it does. :/
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[14:18] <Cheery> it'd look like there's tons of problems esp. in performance with it
[14:18] <gordon_drogon> ok - got it - need to change screen inputs & run up X - back in a moment.
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[14:20] <gordon_drogon> ok, seeing moving vertical yellow bars...
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[14:21] <gordon_drogon> Cheery, does it do anything else other than the yellow bars?
[14:23] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: oh you could just look inside it and see what it's doing. :) not need to ask me. but yes. nothing else than that
[14:23] <gordon_drogon> looking at the source :)
[14:23] <Cheery> try paint/main.py as well plz.
[14:23] <gordon_drogon> hang on...
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[14:24] <gordon_drogon> paint works OK. smaller window (or clipped)
[14:25] <Cheery> yes, it isn't supposed to fill the whole window anyway.
[14:25] <gordon_drogon> it can't keep up with the mouse when moved fast..
[14:25] <gordon_drogon> that's what happens with tuxpaint too.
[14:25] <Cheery> that can be also seen from sources too ^^
[14:26] <gordon_drogon> let me quickly do the yellow lines in BASIC just for fun...
[14:27] <Cheery> if you change the colors, remember to pick them carefully
[14:27] <Cheery> does a lot to the looks.
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[14:34] <gordon_drogon> Hm. maybe it's going too fast on my workstation - let me copy it to the pi..
[14:37] <gartenzwerg> gordon_drogon: you could use the GPU examples for graphics output, and then this one for text output: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ftgl/index.php?title=Main_Page nice library, I've tried it once
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[14:37] <gordon_drogon> yea, everyone keeps telling me to use OpenGL ES.. :)
[14:38] <gordon_drogon> all I want to do is poke pixels at a screen.
[14:38] <Cheery> me too ^^
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[14:38] <gartenzwerg> this is also possible with OpenGL :-)
[14:38] <Cheery> I know ^^
[14:39] <mjr> for poking pixels it's not necessarily the optimal solution though ;]
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[14:39] <Cheery> could handle OpenGL ES and bit more even.. but I don't have the rpi yet.
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, but you can do it faster... at the expencse of taking ages to get gles going, 'cause it's a pita compared to regular opengl
[14:40] <Cheery> I'll include optimization tut into pygame. ;) and possibly gles tutorial as well.
[14:40] <gartenzwerg> with textures and a 2D view matrix you could implement really fast C64 like sprites
[14:40] <Cheery> you know RPi limits are just useful for teaching optimization..
[14:40] <Cheery> the problem happens so fast compared to x86 systems
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[14:44] <Pixman> Hi
[14:44] <gordon_drogon> what's the resolution of time() in Python?
[14:45] <Pixman> what do you mean, resolution? time.time() is the unix time
[14:45] <gordon_drogon> ok
[14:45] <Pixman> it's a floating point number afair
[14:45] <gordon_drogon> so the yellow bars in Cheerys program ought to only shift once a second...
[14:45] <Pixman> Can anyone recommend a good site for RasPi homebrew software?
[14:45] <Pixman> doesn't seem too much out there
[14:46] <Cheery> Pixman: there are some that advertise themselves.. but are you just wanting a distribution channel?
[14:47] <gordon_drogon> oh, a float. hmmm.
[14:47] <Pixman> Cheery, depends
[14:47] <Pixman> I'd like a news site on homebrew, didn't anything besides frambozenbier.org
[14:47] <Pixman> +find
[14:48] <Pixman> the downloads are easy to find as soon as you know what to look out for 8)
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[14:49] <Pixman> mh, just had a look at the MagPi magazine
[14:49] <Pixman> neatly done
[14:49] <Pixman> I like the python pit :)
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[14:50] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bars.rtb
[14:50] <gordon_drogon> Cheery, there's your program in BASIC :)
[14:52] <gordon_drogon> TIME in my BASIC increments every 1000th.
[14:52] <ReggieUK> ewww your basic smells
[14:52] <gordon_drogon> if you say so.
[14:53] <Cheery> ReggieUK: lol don't be negative. I dislike basic too but find his stuff interesting.
[14:53] <gordon_drogon> you can have line numbers if you want is smellier ;-)
[14:53] <ReggieUK> very smelly with line numbers
[14:54] <gordon_drogon> it wouldn't be proper BASIC without them though.
[14:54] <Cheery> gordon_drogon: do you have grammar compactly explained somewhere?
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of confused by "raspberry pi homebrew" isn't homebrew only applicable to completly closed platforms? What't the difference between normal raspberry pi software and homebrew raspberry pi software?
[14:55] <gordon_drogon> not yet, however http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/rtb.pdf
[14:55] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: nothing. But in other hand 'homebrew' is just an insult word anyway.
[14:55] <gordon_drogon> is a very crude attempt at a manual - work in progress.
[14:55] <ReggieUK> a company could develop their own pi software
[14:55] <ReggieUK> that wouldn't be homebrew
[14:55] <gordon_drogon> homebrew - as in beer?
[14:55] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: homebrew in closed platform isn't less worthy than the closed software itself.
[14:55] <RITRedbeard> homebaked
[14:56] <Cheery> actually the opposite.
[14:56] <ReggieUK> Cheery, I wasn't being negative about basic either, just messing around
[14:56] <Pixman> Cheery, also, about that distribution channel..? :>
[14:56] <Pixman> I'd really love to find some debian arm ports of emulators
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[14:56] <Pixman> if there are any yet
[14:56] <Cheery> Pixman: well you get your stuff upwards into the world easily, by using git and github
[14:56] <ShiftPlusOne> openelec sure does take its' time to build =/
[14:56] <Pixman> otherwise I'll to compile them myself
[14:57] <Pixman> ShiftPlusOne, it's already available by git?
[14:57] <Pixman> Cheery, ah, you misunderstood me
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, yeah
[14:57] <Pixman> I'm a programmer, sure, but currently I'm just looking for some ports
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/241-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-1
[14:57] <Cheery> Pixman: but I don't know about distribution channel... I think it might be good if we'd do one. :)
[14:57] <Pixman> will check github for some raspi projects
[14:57] <Pixman> Cheery, yep, definitely
[14:57] <Pixman> it's something which is missing BIG TIME
[14:57] <Pixman> it shoudl be connected to the raspberry pi forums
[14:58] <Cheery> since there's github we wouldn't really need to share anything. just provide links
[14:58] <Cheery> and instructions
[14:58] <Pixman> yup
[14:58] <gordon_drogon> not many people will be able to get & compile stuff (if needed) from there though. steep learning curve for those coming in from (e.g.) windows type environment.
[14:58] <Pixman> I don't have a domain handy right now
[14:59] <Pixman> gordon_drogon, configure / make / make install should be enough for most
[14:59] <gordon_drogon> I'm looking to make .deb's of my stuff and provide a .tgz at the same time.
[14:59] <Pixman> and you can also do that by a ./install.sh ssript
[14:59] <Pixman> yep, .debs and tar balls would be best
[14:59] <Pixman> so far
[14:59] <Pixman> recipes would also be nice for ARCH
[14:59] <Cheery> Pixman: would pi.boxbase.org go, if I'd change the boxbase.org frontpage?
[14:59] <Pixman> but that's easily done
[14:59] <gordon_drogon> I have my own hosting, so that side isn't an issue.
[14:59] <Pixman> of course, why not, ChanServ
[15:00] <Pixman> Cheery
[15:00] <Pixman> a website is done fast
[15:00] <Pixman> either doing one myself with django in python
[15:00] <Pixman> or with some CMS
[15:00] <Pixman> (which I'd prefer, actually)
[15:00] <Pixman> for the time being
[15:00] <Cheery> Pixman: hmm... if you describe what it should have.. I could try.
[15:00] <gordon_drogon> I must spend some more time with git of hg to work out what's best for me.
[15:01] <gordon_drogon> I liek the hgweb front-end thing on boxbase.org though.
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> tempted to follow linux from scratch, but on pi >.>
[15:01] <Pixman> PHP5, CGI, MySQL5
[15:01] <Pixman> basically
[15:01] <Cheery> Pixman: no,, I mean the site itself.
[15:01] <Pixman> It should have a download section (there are lots of plugins for any CMS), a board (which we should incorporate with the official raspberry pi forums)
[15:02] <Cheery> I'm able to fart one up with node.js and mongodb
[15:02] <Pixman> and a blog / news
[15:02] <Pixman> nothing too fancy
[15:02] <Pixman> just some Download, Projects, News and Forum / BBS section
[15:02] <gordon_drogon> wonder if I have any old domains lying about that are nice..
[15:02] <Pixman> and Wiki maybe
[15:02] <Cheery> Pixman: do you like the blog in codeflow.org ?
[15:02] <Pixman> I like HappyBlog
[15:02] <tzarc> ShiftPlusOne: cross-lfs, for your own sanity :P
[15:02] <Pixman> it's a clone of FeFe's famous blog
[15:03] <Pixman> a friend of mine did happyblog in C (CGI)
[15:03] <Pixman> https://github.com/krautchan/happyblog
[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> tzarc, thanks, didn't know that existed.
[15:03] <Pixman> has nice CSS support
[15:03] <tzarc> you'd have found out, when you started whinging about how slow the rpi is at compiling :P
[15:03] <Pixman> and RSS support, too
[15:03] <Pixman> RSS is crucial
[15:04] <Pixman> what do you think?
[15:04] <Pixman> that components the site should have?
[15:05] <gordon_drogon> makes a change to see something in C rather than PHP..
[15:06] <gordon_drogon> once upon a time that was all we had (or perl!)
[15:06] <Pixman> perl, ugh :<
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[15:06] <Pixman> C for websites isn't bad, PHP has so many flaws, actually
[15:07] <gordon_drogon> I never really got into perl...
[15:07] <Pixman> especially the non standard nomenclature
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[15:07] <ready> lol
[15:07] <gordon_drogon> php has lots of flaws - hasn't stopped me writing 1000's of lines of code in it though
[15:07] <Pixman> geheim is the developer of HappyBlog
[15:07] <geheim> :(
[15:07] <Pixman> he can maybe add a user-management
[15:07] <geheim> i can but won't
[15:07] <Pixman> which is easy anyway :E
[15:07] <ready> geheim Pixman \o/
[15:07] <geheim> the operating system handles that
[15:07] <Pixman> I won't but can
[15:07] <Pixman> or something like that :E
[15:08] <gordon_drogon> I built a version of my BASIC that can act as a CGI back-end to apache...
[15:08] <Pixman> haha
[15:08] <gordon_drogon> indeed!
[15:08] <gordon_drogon> so once I put sqlite into it, the world is my bi-valve :)
[15:09] <Pixman> Cheery, anyway, the codeflow blog looks very nice
[15:09] <gordon_drogon> brb. got to sort out the roast..
[15:09] <Pixman> should do the trick
[15:09] <Cheery> Pixman: good.. as the florian has shown how to do one. :)
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[15:09] <Pixman> I just would like to set up a website with a simple blog and maybe a download section and / or wiki
[15:10] <Cheery> Pixman: though you think I could do this later in the winter if somebody doesn't get to do it first?
[15:10] <Pixman> whatever you like
[15:10] <Pixman> I just don't see anything coming up right now
[15:10] <Cheery> thing is I want to do lots of other things right now. :)
[15:10] <Pixman> give me the webspace and I'll put up a blog
[15:11] <Pixman> then we can publish the URL on raspberrypi and tell users to post their releases to us
[15:11] <Cheery> I could.. but it's small space anyway and I'd like if you'd use existing tools in there.. python or mongodb+node.js
[15:11] <Pixman> sure
[15:12] <Pixman> I'd utilize a pre-made python blog solution anyway
[15:12] <Pixman> don't want to write everything from scratch
[15:12] <Pixman> but then let's keep it for later
[15:12] <Pixman> someone sure can provide a subdomain and some space
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[15:13] <tzarc> mmm, directfb compiles
[15:13] <tzarc> finally
[15:13] <Cheery> but then.. maybe I'd just do it myself and put it do what we need. :)
[15:13] <Pixman> would be fine too 8)
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[15:13] <Pixman> the RasPi community just needs a homebrew community fast
[15:14] <Pixman> I think there will come up some sites, soon
[15:14] <gordon_drogon> bother. oven not quite hot enough yet.
[15:14] <Pixman> since the shipments are out now
[15:14] <gordon_drogon> theres lots of people doing their own thing - but what exactly do you mean by homebrew?
[15:14] <gordon_drogon> software, hardware, etc. ?
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[15:16] <Pixman> gordon_drogon, homebrew software, mainly
[15:16] <Pixman> I'm coming from the gp2x / et cetera homebrew 'scene'
[15:16] <Pixman> I'm not quite keen on hardware, actually
[15:16] <gordon_drogon> ah, ok.
[15:17] <Pixman> I hope the Raspi will flourish in terms of emulators, homebrew games and media players et cetera
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[15:17] <gordon_drogon> maybe best to start your own website and get folks intersted...
[15:17] * ShiftPlusOne still things 'homebrew' is the wrong word. >.>
[15:17] <gordon_drogon> that's sort of what I'm doing, but it's mostly so I can keep track of my own stuff now!
[15:18] <Pixman> I'm lacking the webspace
[15:18] <Pixman> and the (sub)domain
[15:18] <gordon_drogon> ok
[15:18] <Pixman> maybe I'll use some free webspace for the time being
[15:18] <Pixman> and then port it later if it works out
[15:18] <gordon_drogon> get a wordpress site :)
[15:18] <gordon_drogon> my stuff's all in wordpress -
[15:19] <gordon_drogon> https://projects.drogon.net/
[15:19] <geheim> wordpress :O
[15:19] <geheim> :(
[15:19] <Pixman> wordpress... well
[15:19] <gordon_drogon> not saying it's good, but I'm really not a designer...
[15:19] <Pixman> I'd like it slim and customizable (in terms of adding plugins myself)
[15:19] <ready> wordpress makes geheim sad ;(
[15:19] <Pixman> I don't care for design 8)
[15:20] <gordon_drogon> actually, I do like that theme I'm using. Also works OK on mobiles too.
[15:20] <Pixman> gordon_drogon, actually, your website is quite sufficient
[15:20] <Pixman> I just would like a news site with homebrew links
[15:20] <Pixman> to get things centralized
[15:20] <Pixman> so people don't need to go looking all over the web
[15:20] <gordon_drogon> domains and hosting are relatively cheap these days.
[15:21] <Pixman> mh, will look for something now
[15:22] <zgreg_> "homebrew" is a silly term
[15:22] <geheim> Pixman is a silly gui
[15:22] <Pixman> don't care, it's been a synonym for years now and everyone understands it :)
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[15:22] <geheim> guy
[15:22] <Cheery> zgreg_: already mentioned
[15:22] <zgreg_> it only makes context with devices that normally don't allow users to develop and run their own programs
[15:22] <geheim> quite fitting
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[15:22] <zgreg_> *sense
[15:22] <Pixman> basically, this is what I'm looking for http://gp2x-emulation.dcemu.co.uk/
[15:22] <Pixman> but the wrong platform :)
[15:23] <Pixman> geheim, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAANOO BUY BUY BUY BUY
[15:23] <geheim> n
[15:23] <Pixman> (OpenGL ES 1.1 support)
[15:23] <Pixman> amazing!
[15:23] <Pixman> :>
[15:23] <zgreg_> opengl es 1.1 is not amazing
[15:23] <ReggieUK> ouch
[15:23] <geheim> Pixman: https://github.com/SirDzstic/happyblog BUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUY
[15:24] <ReggieUK> very expensive
[15:24] <gordon_drogon> intersting little thing though - I fear the RPi won't last long on batterys though )-:
[15:24] <gordon_drogon> and my kitchen awaits me - need to remove computer geek head and replace with chef geek head now :)
[15:24] <gordon_drogon> laters.
[15:24] <Pixman> zgreg_, you say
[15:24] <Pixman> :>
[15:24] <Pixman> ever heard of irony? 8)
[15:24] <Pixman> gordon_drogon, later :)
[15:24] <zgreg_> I can imagine it's amazing in the GP2X world
[15:25] <Pixman> neither do I
[15:25] <ReggieUK> I've heard of irony but I don't see any round here
[15:25] <zgreg_> as gamepark always comes up with the most crapshit SoCs
[15:25] <Pixman> I own one and it's crap
[15:25] <geheim> zgreg_: pixman is easy to impress
[15:25] <ReggieUK> language zgreg_!
[15:25] <zgreg_> and the hardware is alwayws completely outdated when it finally gets to market
[15:25] <Pixman> mh... like raspi?
[15:25] <Pixman> :>
[15:25] <zgreg_> yes, but the raspi is cheap, at least
[15:25] <ReggieUK> indeed, considering the canoo is using the exact same processor as a leapfrog didj/explorer/explorer pad
[15:26] <Pixman> I hope model C will be a bit better, don't care If I have to pay 50 bucks more
[15:26] <zgreg_> the gp32/gp2x/etc aren't/weren't exactly cheap
[15:26] <hamitron> model C?
[15:26] <ReggieUK> whereas a didj can be picked up on ebay for $25
[15:26] <Pixman> hamitron, they said on raspberrypi.org they 'll be doing a model C in a year or so
[15:26] <Pixman> it's somewhere on the news page
[15:26] <Pixman> more ram, more power
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[15:26] <hamitron> hmmm, ok
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[15:27] <hamitron> I hope that won't mean everyone will move to the new model, complicating the versions software can run on
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[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> huh?
[15:28] <Pixman> don't think so
[15:28] <tntexplosivesltd> it should be all pretty much the same
[15:28] <Pixman> didn't happen with dingoo 320 / 330
[15:28] <Pixman> even though, they were quite similar
[15:29] <Pixman> tntexplosivesltd, also, it should be useful for making an actual media center
[15:29] <Pixman> like 'promised'
[15:29] <hamitron> tntexplosivesltd, I mean if there is a more powerful model, you may get some coding and targeting the newer model
[15:29] <Pixman> I think both sides would benefit
[15:29] <ReggieUK> that's a daft statement then, if they were similar that's why it didn't complicate things
[15:29] <Pixman> the old and the new model
[15:29] <tntexplosivesltd> if you target the new and not the old you're a fool =P
[15:29] <tntexplosivesltd> but good point
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[15:30] <Pixman> and I think people should be smart enough to click on "model B version" or "model C version"
[15:30] <Pixman> if possible, of course
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> Pixman: it was never promised as a media centre
[15:30] <Pixman> a good makefile and some if -else action should do the trick in the code
[15:30] <hamitron> I just liked the idea of 1 set of hardware, and everyone with a level playing field
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> why is everyone expecting this thing to be one?
[15:30] <hamitron> :)
[15:30] <Pixman> tntexplosivesltd, yeah, but most people believed in the idea and it was kind of propagated through the hype
[15:30] <Pixman> (which was to be expected, actually)
[15:30] <tntexplosivesltd> well.......
[15:30] <Pixman> hamitron, sure, me too
[15:31] <Pixman> like the c64
[15:31] <ReggieUK> most people wanted to believe what they wanted to see
[15:31] <tntexplosivesltd> no-one really said it would be able to
[15:31] <Pixman> agreed
[15:31] <tntexplosivesltd> they saw "multimedia processor" and ran with it
[15:31] <hamitron> if it runs sshd, I'm happy
[15:31] <hamitron> ;)
[15:31] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[15:31] <Pixman> btw, are the ALSA drivers already there?
[15:31] <Pixman> experimental ones I mean?
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, they're there, they're just not perfect
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[15:32] <Pixman> mh, they are included with the debian image on raspi.org?
[15:32] <Pixman> didn't get any sound out of my box
[15:33] <Pixman> afair some apps said there were no dev files
[15:34] <tntexplosivesltd> they're way ahead of any official release
[15:35] <tntexplosivesltd> esp. the snail that is debian
[15:35] <Pixman> but I really like my raspi, don't think I don't like it 8)
[15:35] <Pixman> downloading the kernel sources now to compile my wifi drivers
[15:35] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[15:35] <Pixman> too bad there isn't a package / repository with the kernel sources package
[15:35] <tntexplosivesltd> you're using debian?
[15:36] <Pixman> yep
[15:36] <Pixman> I'll just github it
[15:36] <tntexplosivesltd> new to linux?
[15:36] <Pixman> from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[15:36] <Pixman> na
[15:36] <Pixman> using linux for over 10 years
[15:36] <tntexplosivesltd> what distros?
[15:36] <Pixman> debian, arch, ubuntu
[15:37] <Pixman> mainly deb based ones
[15:37] <tntexplosivesltd> any reason you chose debian over arch for the pi?
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[15:38] <Pixman> yes
[15:38] <Pixman> because it seemed like most of the releases so far I found were made for a debian environment
[15:38] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:38] <Pixman> I'd have preferred arch actually
[15:39] <tntexplosivesltd> releases of what?
[15:39] <Pixman> don't remember :)
[15:39] <Pixman> just was the impression I think
[15:39] <Pixman> I also started arch once
[15:39] <tntexplosivesltd> they're *officially* supporting debian and arch
[15:39] <Pixman> dd'ed the image
[15:39] <Pixman> but wasn't in the mood for configuring it :)
[15:39] <tntexplosivesltd> they're suggesting debian for beginners =)
[15:39] <Pixman> even though, with pacman it's a breeze
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah lol
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> package management is awesome
[15:40] <Pixman> yup
[15:40] <Pixman> the recipes are great
[15:40] <Pixman> and easily made
[15:40] <Pixman> also the rc.conf is nice
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> I'm using arch atm on all my comps
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah lol
[15:40] <tntexplosivesltd> and my zipit
[15:41] <hamitron> I'd love a zipit
[15:41] <hamitron> :/
[15:41] <Pixman> zip it?
[15:42] <tntexplosivesltd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_wireless_messenger_%28Z2%29
[15:43] <Pixman> wow
[15:43] <Pixman> never heard of that one
[15:43] <IT_Sean> Neither have i
[15:43] <IT_Sean> What's the service cost?
[15:43] <Pixman> nice toy
[15:43] <Pixman> :D
[15:44] <Pixman> must be terrifing running linux with a window manager on 32 mb ram :D
[15:44] <Pixman> +y
[15:44] <Pixman> but the price is tempting
[15:45] <hamitron> I keep considering one, but really I'd be better getting a new phone
[15:45] <tntexplosivesltd> a) Don't know the cost, put arch over top instantly
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[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> b) not running a window manager, if I would it would be just X
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> or maybe dwm
[15:46] <Pixman> I bought a Samsung Galaxy Y(oung)
[15:46] <Pixman> for 60 dollars
[15:46] <Pixman> it's actually quite a nice phone for that price
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[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> 60 US?
[15:47] <Pixman> yep, was a special offer, prepaid also
[15:47] <Pixman> I run Sega Mega Drive and SNES emulators on it :)
[15:47] <Pixman> also, ScummVM / www.scummvm.org
[15:47] <Pixman> scummvm is a great way to be entertained while ona boring car / train drive
[15:49] <Pixman> I hope I can compile ScummVM for ARM without any changes
[15:50] <Pixman> +big
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> scummvm works fine on pi
[15:50] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> dosbox is a tad too slow though
[15:51] <Pixman> yeah, I thought so, too of dosbox
[15:51] <hamitron> I'm just torn between getting an ARM device, or a x86 based thing :/
[15:51] <Pixman> maybe GPU accelerated it would work?
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[15:59] <Pixman> how long did it take for you to compile OpenELEC? :)
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea
[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> it compiles everything from scratch
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[16:05] <Pixman> why the heck does cloning fail everytime with git on my pi... that's weird, this time it's suddenly an "Error: RPC failed", before it was merrily cloning and suddenly "Out of Memory" (I think it was referring to RAM since it was using the term malloc :)
[16:05] <Pixman> great :>
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[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> don't build on the pi, that's illy
[16:05] <Pixman> oh, I'll not build the linux kernel
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[16:06] <Pixman> just need the sources to compile my wifi drivers
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> *silly
[16:06] <Cheery> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pcb-board-and-layout
[16:06] <Cheery> ookay..
[16:06] <Cheery> at least it runs
[16:06] <Cheery> but there's a silly problem
[16:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, which chipset?
[16:07] <Cheery> I have to press ctrl-C to go over set_mode :/
[16:08] <Pixman> remote end hung up unexpectedly, great
[16:09] <Pixman> ShiftPlusOne, rt5370
[16:09] <Pixman> or wait
[16:09] <Pixman> rt53xx afair
[16:09] <Pixman> ah, it's 5370 alright
[16:09] <Pixman> just checked
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[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got it compiled if you need it
[16:10] <Pixman> oh
[16:10] <Pixman> great
[16:10] <Pixman> that would be awesome :) (and save me a lot of time)
[16:11] * hamitron looks suspiciously at Shifty
[16:11] <Pixman> can you upload it to mediafire?
[16:11] <Pixman> or something similar
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> dropbox
[16:11] <Pixman> whatever suits you
[16:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hang on, I'll need to copy it off the card
[16:13] <Pixman> am I assuming right, that GIT, when cloning, copies everything to RAM first and then writes it on the hard drive?
[16:13] <Pixman> I can't explain why it would quit so unexpectedly with various error messages
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, sorry, I see to have misplaced the build
[16:16] <Dagger2> Pixman: watch in `top` and see if it does allocate lots of RAM
[16:17] <Dagger2> I doubt it directly does something like a full copy into RAM first, but the Linux kernel repository is Quite Big and I could see it taking a fair bit of RAM to clone
[16:18] <Pixman> I'll just clone it on my other machine
[16:18] <Pixman> and copy
[16:18] <Pixman> which I should have done in the first place anyway 8)
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[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, that's how I did it, yeah.
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> are you using '2011_0719_RT3070_RT3370_RT5370_RT5372_Linux_STA_V2.5.0.3_DPO' ?
[16:19] <Pixman> yes
[16:19] <Pixman> the same
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll also need to download the firmware. the one provided in the repo doesn't work
[16:20] <Pixman> tnx
[16:21] <Pixman> which firmware? I don't see any for 53xx series
[16:22] <Pixman> http://www.ralinktech.com/en/04_support/support.php?sn=501
[16:22] <Pixman> looking here
[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's a bit strange, you need the other one.. I think it's 28.... something... hang on
[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> rt2870.bin
[16:22] <Pixman> ah ok
[16:22] <Pixman> found an Ubuntu thread to it
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[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Pixman, btw, it works on arch out of the box
[16:24] <Pixman> http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
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[16:24] <Pixman> pretty nice tutorial on it
[16:24] <Pixman> nice to know :)
[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> firmware-ralink didn't work for me
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[16:24] <Pixman> yes, just remembered you said that :/
[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> might for you.... not hard to try
[16:24] <Pixman> guess I'll change to Arch anyway, sooner or later
[16:27] <Pixman> damn me for being so cheap and buy the cheapest china usb dongle off ebay
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> it works fine
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> well 'fine'.... mine broke, lol.
[16:28] <hamitron> hehe, we all buy crap :/
[16:29] <hamitron> I mean, rubbish
[16:31] <Pixman> I love the bluetooth dongles from ebay
[16:31] <Pixman> they're working great, plug'n play pure :)
[16:31] <Pixman> at least with all devices and OS'es I experienced so far
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[16:33] <Hexxeh> sweeet, xorg acceleration is in progress :)
[16:34] <Hexxeh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/xorg-acceleration-via-gles/#p74324
[16:35] <Cheery> good job
[16:35] <hamitron> can't someone just replace xorg asap? :/
[16:36] <Hexxeh> eh, i wish
[16:36] <Cheery> me too ^^
[16:36] <Cheery> it requires some heavy kicking and screaming
[16:36] <Cheery> along superior coding skills
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[16:37] <Pixman> Hexxeh, woah, great
[16:37] <Pixman> :D
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[16:37] <Pixman> this going to be great
[16:37] <hamitron> it certainly requires skill, agreed
[16:37] <Cheery> I might be able to do something for that.. but I don't like about the idea that it wouldn't be portable.
[16:38] <Cheery> also there's that wayland thing.
[16:38] <Cheery> but I neither like wayland
[16:38] <hamitron> I just feel moving back to an older version of X.org, then putting it on a diet would be nice
[16:38] <Cheery> GLES and some input code is all you'd theoretically need for a superb UI.
[16:39] <Cheery> GLES multiplexer isn't hard to build
[16:39] <Cheery> and it's the way how you'd do it anyway!
[16:39] <Cheery> even for xorg
[16:39] <hamitron> I wouldn't change things too much ;)
[16:39] <Cheery> I propose finishing the xorg support that we can keep up with the rest of the world
[16:39] <hamitron> I'd want nvidia binary drivers to still work for example
[16:40] <Cheery> hamitron: I'd change more than that.
[16:40] <Cheery> but I'm still busy in preparing things. ^^
[16:40] <hamitron> :)
[16:40] <hamitron> well, if you are upto the task, get a move on! ;)
[16:40] <hamitron> we are all suffering
[16:40] <hamitron> ;D
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[16:41] <Cheery> there's an order since I can't split up and do everything at once.
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[16:41] <Cheery> but..
[16:42] <Cheery> I can roll out some instructions that help a lot if you are interested about taking a try.
[16:42] <Cheery> that needs time too though.
[16:42] <hamitron> I have neither the skill or the time I'm afraid
[16:42] <hamitron> :/
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[16:58] <ReggieUK> put gmenu2x on the pi
[16:58] <ReggieUK> gives a simple menu system for launching stuff
[16:58] <Pixman> wouldn't be too bad
[16:58] <ReggieUK> everything else you've got to write yourself
[16:58] <ReggieUK> it's very easy to port though
[16:59] <ReggieUK> the code is very rambling and no comments but it's not sooo obscure that you can't work out roughly what's going on
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[16:59] <ReggieUK> would give people something to play with
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[17:00] <ReggieUK> and would be very useful to cut down on gfx ram if you're only planning on a very small screen res
[17:01] <ReggieUK> could easily use gpio as menu buttons for it
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[17:11] <mozzwald> ShiftPlusOne: logitech 'internet' keyboard, but I have been using serial console as of late so no keyboard/mouse connected
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[17:13] <ShiftPlusOne> mozzwald, my keyboard is a logitech one as well. Is yours backlit and/or with an LCD screen?
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[17:18] <Hexxeh> added the new EDID tools to rpi-update
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[17:20] <mozzwald> ShiftPlusOne: no, it's just a basic one with extra internet keys and scrollwheel. also tried a ps2 keyboard with a ps2 to usb converter
[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
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[17:24] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/why-pi-1#p74374
[17:25] <Hexxeh> anyone know if there's a high-street store that'll sell a serial interface for the rpi?
[17:25] <Hexxeh> maybe maplin?
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[17:26] <Cheery> Hexxeh: no idea
[17:26] <Cheery> I got my USB-TTL from nerdkit
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[17:27] <haltdef> the pi supports serial? :o
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[17:27] <Cheery> hamitron: is that a surprise to you?
[17:27] <Hexxeh> think you meant haltdef
[17:27] <Cheery> ookay.. I should make reflective paint simulation. :)
[17:27] <Cheery> Hexxeh: oops
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[17:28] <Cheery> well..
[17:28] <Cheery> reflective + transcludent
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[17:29] <Cheery> do you people understand color theory a bit?
[17:30] <Cheery> well the thing I consider is about complementary colors.
[17:30] <Cheery> if you mix additively, complementary colors are simple to implement on desktop displays. as you can just calculate complement on RGB color space
[17:30] <Cheery> subtractive color mixing is about placing filters over each other
[17:31] <Cheery> doing subtractive mixing might still work okay.
[17:31] <Cheery> now the reflective mixing attempts to simulate pigments that are mixed together!
[17:32] <Cheery> white and black produce gray
[17:33] <Cheery> in theory, pigments might give all kinds of results.
[17:35] <Cheery> in practise it's tricky to make materials that glow in all colors. :)
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[17:40] <sajimon> hello everyone, hows rpi availability throughout distributors these days?
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[17:41] <mozzwald> Hexxeh: check your local cellphone shops for a nokia ca45 data cable
[17:42] <esotera> sajimon: still limited
[17:42] <sajimon> :(
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[17:43] <sajimon> any delivery estimations if i would order it now?
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[17:43] <esotera> current preorders are supposed to be june/july, if you order now you'll probably get something around that time
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[17:44] <gordon_drogon> Accellerated X. neat.
[17:44] <mozzwald> Hexxeh: i mean ca42, http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php/Use_a_Nokia_Serial_Cable_on_an_ARM9_Linkstation
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[17:46] <sajimon> esotera: thanks
[17:49] <ukscone> mozzwald: great minds :) just posted that link and about that cable in another channel
[17:50] <mozzwald> hehe
[17:51] <ukscone> i was thinking of using the cable foxx knocked me up for the zipit with the raspi
[17:51] <mozzwald> i need to get some more of those while they're still avail
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[17:51] <ukscone> just need to get some more of the jacks and some headers for the gpio pins
[17:51] <mozzwald> what type of connector did he use?
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[17:52] <ukscone> https://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/ZipitZ2#5661202109162928882
[17:53] <ukscone> an audio connector and plug
[17:53] <mozzwald> ah, yes. thats what i'm using too :)
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[17:59] <ReggieUK> hi
[18:00] <gordon_drogon> I got some nice patch leads from skpang to hookup the GPIO port on my Pi.
[18:01] <gordon_drogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[18:01] <gordon_drogon> good if going to a breadboard.
[18:01] <ReggieUK> kind of
[18:01] <ReggieUK> you really want a selection
[18:02] <ReggieUK> some shorter ones
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[18:02] <ReggieUK> I would look on ebay
[18:02] <gordon_drogon> not really a fan of ebay for little stuff like that.
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> I'm not saying they're bad or anything, just that a selection is much more useful, when you start getting into other stuff, breadboarding can get hairy with lots of long wires
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[18:03] <Gadget-Mac> ReggieUK: http://proto-pic.co.uk/jumper-wires-premium-6-m-f-pack-of-10/
[18:03] <Gadget-Mac> Or buy the bits ?
[18:03] <gordon_drogon> yes. they're all 150mm - it might be nicer for shorter ones. I have a big pack of varying lengths for my other boardboarding stuff.
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[18:04] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't buy jumpers from anywhere but ebay really
[18:04] <gordon_drogon> I think those are the same ones that skpang are selling - the sparkfun ones!
[18:04] <ReggieUK> much more for your money there
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[18:05] <gordon_drogon> they're identical.
[18:05] <ReggieUK> or you could just by single strand hookup wire and cut jumpers to length (for male to male)
[18:05] <Gadget-Mac> Yeah, wondered about that
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> I've got a box of that :)
[18:05] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solderless-Breadboard-Jumper-Cables-for-Arduino-70-Piece-Colour-Coded-Wire-Kit-/140687982728?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Mods_Stickers_Decals&hash=item20c1a84088
[18:05] <gordon_drogon> lots of them on http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
[18:06] <Gadget-Mac> ReggieUK: had problems with those in the past can't cram them in
[18:06] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-Male-Jumper-Cables-for-Arduino-25-Piece-Colour-Coded-Wire-Kit-F-M-M-F-/350544335283?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item519e1211b3
[18:06] <gordon_drogon> slightly cheaper than this pack which I bought recently: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-kit-mm-65pcs-p-386.html
[18:08] <gordon_drogon> it's easier if I just buy some when I'm buying other stuff from skpang - I really can't be bothered shopping around, buying some here, some there, etc.
[18:08] <ReggieUK> I don't in general buy from sk-pang etc. :)
[18:08] <Gadget-Mac> hehe
[18:09] <gordon_drogon> so if I'm buying from skp, coolcomponents, etc. I'll just buy more stuff from them to make up a bigger order - save on postage, even if the items are a few pence more...
[18:09] <gordon_drogon> I won't use paypal and most ebay sellers won't take bank transfer.
[18:10] <ReggieUK> I will order from whoever has got what I need but in general, it's not skpang etc. :)
[18:10] <gordon_drogon> any reason why not?
[18:10] <gordon_drogon> I've never had any issues from them in the past...
[18:11] <ReggieUK> they don't carry what I need :)
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[18:11] <ReggieUK> nothing wrong with them, I have used them in the past
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[18:11] <Gadget-Mac> ooh. Nice http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/inch-4dgl-module-ulcd-43pt-p-863.html
[18:12] <Hexxeh> kexec is awesome.
[18:12] <ReggieUK> Hexxeh, kexec?
[18:12] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: a way of booting one kernel from an already running kernel
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[18:13] <ReggieUK> oh?
[18:13] <ReggieUK> nice
[18:14] <chris_99> interesting, so it's swapping the kernel Hexxeh ?
[18:14] * Hexxeh is building a new Raspberry Pi bootloader :)
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[18:14] <ReggieUK> uboot based or from the ground up?
[18:14] <Hexxeh> chris_99: wiki to the rescue - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kexec
[18:14] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: no, doing it the cheap and easy way via kexec
[18:14] <chris_99> yeah i read that Hexxeh
[18:14] <Hexxeh> i did look at u-boot, but it's a bit too low level for me
[18:14] <ReggieUK> Gadget-Mac, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Module-Touch-Panel-Screen-PCB-Adapter-/200519609734?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eafe66d86
[18:15] <Hexxeh> i'm not exactly sure there's any point in u-boot really
[18:15] <Hexxeh> unless you wanted to reverse engineer the existing bootloader to have an open-source one
[18:15] <Hexxeh> but there's no benefit to that :/
[18:15] <Gadget-Mac> ReggieUK: Great if it works :)
[18:15] <ukscone> Hexxeh: kexec and judicious use of pivot_root/switchroot?
[18:15] <Hexxeh> ukscone: you don't need to pivot_root
[18:15] <Hexxeh> well, not directly
[18:16] <ukscone> i did something similar and ended up using pivot_root/switchroot from busybox to switch distros
[18:17] <Hexxeh> i want to try to implement as much of the verified boot chain as possible for chromium os
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[18:17] <Hexxeh> well, not really the verified boot bit
[18:17] <Hexxeh> it's more that the update system is intertwined into it
[18:17] <Hexxeh> when it updates the kernel, the kernel is actually it's own partition
[18:17] <Hexxeh> rather than a file on a root partition
[18:17] <chris_99> could the RPi use EFI
[18:17] <Hexxeh> so i need to be able to boot from that
[18:18] <Simon-> tzarc: I rebased 3.3 and added an rpImage target which is automatically used
[18:18] <Simon-> tzarc: you should be able to use rpImage as kernel.img
[18:18] <Hexxeh> chris_99: it's theoretically possible i guess
[18:18] <chris_99> interesting
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[18:27] <Simon-> https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/c65d5bb39682cb1d05c60bb53ab2543e88ae2023 :)
[18:29] <kallisti5> Simon-: thanks! that definitely helps... didn't see that relationship in the uart code
[18:30] <Simon-> kallisti5: also, some of the code in the first 32k is going to get overwritten by the GPU bootloader
[18:30] <Simon-> https://github.com/lp0/linux/blob/c65d5bb39682cb1d05c60bb53ab2543e88ae2023/arch/arm/boot/rpi.S is an assembly version of what is currently used
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[18:32] <chris_99> the RPi has some kind of BIOS on the SoC right?
[18:33] <hotwings> i wish they would release a kernel patchset so we can test whatever kernel we want
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[18:35] <kallisti5> Simon-: also... props for the .S
[18:35] <kallisti5> :D
[18:35] * kallisti5 can remove first32k.bin from the Haiku tree
[18:35] <Simon-> hotwings: that's impossible
[18:36] <Simon-> hotwings: the kernel is a moving target
[18:37] <hotwings> its not impossible at all. i dont know what all is patched in the kernel to get rpi to work but it could be systems that dont see much change. or if they do, the changes wouldnt break the patches.
[18:38] <hotwings> the point is you cant assume because the kernel is constantly updated, that patches break often. some sets do, some sets dont. every case is different
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[18:40] <Simon-> the provided patches are against 3.1.9
[18:41] <Simon-> I had to make several changes to get them to compile against 3.3 and 3.4, there's no chance it'll ever apply cleanly
[18:41] <Simon-> when you're adding things to the end of a common Makefile it will never apply properly for long
[18:41] <kallisti5> Simon-: could I just call the kernel's entry function from within that asm?
[18:41] <kallisti5> (well.. other then "entry"
[18:43] <Simon-> kallisti5: if you wanted to I think you could just jump to 0x8000
[18:44] <Simon-> but I imagine haiku would have similar requirements to linux on arm - it wants to know what hardware it's running on
[18:47] <hotwings> i wonder if they intend to try to get rpi support merged into the kernel at some point
[18:47] <hotwings> that would be great
[18:47] <UukGoblin> hi guys, where could I find docs about the GPIO pins and the extra connectors?
[18:48] <Simon-> eventually but it takes time to reformat their patches properly
[18:48] <Simon-> UukGoblin: on the wiki.
[18:48] <hotwings> stability is another issue too. not sure how stable the rpi is yet
[18:49] <UukGoblin> Simon-, ah, I think I found it, thanks :-)
[18:49] <Simon-> tzarc: what bogomips are you seeing? mine are unusually low
[18:50] <UukGoblin> Simon-, I was also wondering about the connectors left of the Raspberry Pi logo, and the one between HDMI and LAN ports
[18:50] <gordon_drogon> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[18:50] <gordon_drogon> :-)
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[18:55] <kallisti5> Simon-: it's a bit of a hack but I got it working :D http://pastebin.com/hAvcvYxy
[18:55] <kallisti5> Simon-: you want me to put any kind of credit at the top of the file? (license, author, etc?)
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[18:56] <Simon-> kallisti5: not really
[18:56] <mdavey> UukGoblin: The connectors are reserved for future use for a LCD display and camera.
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[18:57] <D34TH> so they are modified usb ports?
[18:57] <Simon-> kallisti5: it's derived from https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools which has no license specified
[18:57] <UukGoblin> mdavey, interesting
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[18:58] <SpeedEvil> D34TH: they have nothing to do with USB
[18:58] <mdavey> UukGoblin: Info about them is also on the wiki: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#MIPI_CSI-2 and http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#DSI
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> They are a common camera and display protocol
[18:58] <UukGoblin> thanks!
[18:58] <D34TH> AHH
[18:58] <D34TH> whoops caps
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[19:07] <kallisti5> Simon-: ok. working great. the kernel entry at 0x8000 was essential.
[19:08] <Simon-> kallisti5: you tried putting it earlier?
[19:09] <Simon-> kallisti5: it'll definitely overwrite stuff at 0x100 and might assume everything up to 0x8000 is usable
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[19:09] <kallisti5> I removed the 0x8000 location bit and tried just doing a jump to the C code after setting up some stack.. that failed badly
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[19:10] <kallisti5> Simon-: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm/entry.S works well though
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[19:11] <Simon-> kallisti5: I don't know why it loads 0x100 and 0x8000 from memory, so you shouldn't move them
[19:12] <Simon-> if you want to just jump to 0x8000, just do that
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[19:12] <Simon-> you don't necessarily need r0 or r1 either, they just identify the machine to linux
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[19:13] <Hexxeh> who was it who was telling me about initrd's worked the other day?
[19:15] <kallisti5> Simon-: Ah. What's t he purpose of putting kern_addr @ 0x20?
[19:16] <kallisti5> Simon-: do you think that jumping from _start -> kern @ 0x8000 would work without the pc, kern_addr?
[19:17] <Simon-> kallisti5: yes
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[19:17] <Simon-> it's not at 0x20, it's at 0x38
[19:17] <Simon-> I have no idea why it does it
[19:17] <Simon-> it's possible that it will overwrite the jump at 0x0 and then jump back to 0x20
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[19:19] <kallisti5> Simon-: verified working.
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[19:19] <kallisti5> Simon-: http://pastebin.com/ittmPjDx :)
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[19:24] <Simon-> :)
[19:24] <Simon-> you'll need to read some stuff at 0x100 to get the linux command line arguments for the serial number
[19:25] <Simon-> and the MAC, but that's just derived from the serial number
[19:26] <Hydrazine> good evening
[19:27] <kallisti5> Simon-: ah. something the bootloader slips in?
[19:27] <Simon-> yes
[19:28] <Simon-> I wouldn't use the MAC address value, it looks like that'll get removed
[19:28] <Simon-> as it won't be allowed in linux
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> umm - what?
[19:30] <Simon-> I can't remember where I read it now but there's a comment from Alan Cox on it
[19:30] <Simon-> as there's a userspace function to set the mac address of an interface
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[19:32] <SpeedEvil> sure - that doesn't mean that reading the hardware when it exists isn't sanely done by the kernel driver
[19:33] <Simon-> it also doesn't know which device you're referring to
[19:34] <Simon-> you could plug in another 10 of that type of usb ethernet device and they'd all get the same MAC
[19:34] <Simon-> it already passes the serial number in
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[19:38] <Simon-> the kernel is almost recompiling too fast for me to move the SD card :/
[19:39] <Simon-> I think I've broken it by using printk from within console_lock
[19:39] <Simon-> aah yes, printk calls console_lock
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[19:42] <Simon-> which also means I can't call printk to debug the console code :/
[19:43] <Simon-> if (!fb->fb.screen_base)
[19:43] <Simon-> BUG(); /* what can we do here */
[19:43] <Simon-> that code appears to be a deadlock case as the console is currently locked
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[20:00] <benzeman> does Ash Stone ever come on IRC?
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[20:13] <a_c_r_>
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[20:23] <carldani> Oh wow, full channel
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> fullish
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> Or something that rhymes anyway.
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[20:25] <carldani> So rhyme away
[20:25] <carldani> We're here to play
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[20:26] <IT_Sean> Please don't rhyme
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Its kinda lame
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[20:27] <carldani> In RasPi's name
[20:27] <carldani> get me a frame
[20:27] <carldani> World ain't the same
[20:27] <carldani> now it's a game
[20:28] <aditsu> but if they rhyme, it is no shame, cause you'll have someone to blame
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[20:29] * IT_Sean murders you both
[20:29] <carldani> I fear I have talked too enthusiastically about the Pi... my wife started learning Python a few days ago.
[20:29] <Hydrazine> xD
[20:29] <aditsu> do you fear she'll make you redundant?
[20:30] <carldani> I specialize in low-level driver programming... not really something you'd do with Python.
[20:30] <aditsu> but python is a gateway language
[20:30] <carldani> aditsu: That said, python is a gateway drug.
[20:31] <aditsu> next thing you know, she'll be on to harder stuff
[20:31] <carldani> I'm not that good at python myself, so there is a real chance she'll be better than I am.
[20:31] <carldani> The fun think with firmware and driver programming is that I sometimes have to fix my bugs with a soldering iron.
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[20:32] <carldani> s/think/thing/
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[20:33] <aditsu> I'm good at breaking thins with a soldering iron
[20:33] <carldani> aditsu: I can relate to that.
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[20:34] <aditsu> trying to solder a wire to a plug -> large quantities of melted plastic and rubber, singed paper, a couple of unrelated things unsoldered, and the damn solder still won't stay
[20:35] <aditsu> plus skin burns and nearly setting the room on fire
[20:35] <IT_Sean> wow... how spastci are you?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> *spastic
[20:36] <aditsu> not spastic, just clumsy + bad tool (I guess)
[20:36] <aditsu> and lack of basic technique
[20:38] <aditsu> so I learned to avoid it if possible :p
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[20:39] <aditsu> I have some broken things that I'd like to fix though...
[20:41] <aditsu> carldani: so do you think you can help write some drivers to make better use of the pi's capabilities?
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[20:45] <carldani> aditsu: I have written Linux kernel drivers in the past, and AFAIK a Linux kernel SPI driver for the Pi does not exist. I know SPI very well, so that's on my TODO.
[20:45] <carldani> aditsu: However, I don't expect to get a Pi before maybe June or so...
[20:46] <Hydrazine> carldani: there are some people already working on spi
[20:46] <aditsu> carldani: Hexxeh was desperately looking for somebody to give a Pi to :p
[20:46] <Hydrazine> should be a thread on it somewhere in the forums
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> He doesn't want his?
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[20:50] <aditsu> he has too many :p and wanted somebody to write an X driver or something
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[20:51] <IT_Sean> He can send me one, if he wants to :p
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[20:52] <aditsu> if you can convince him that you can write the driver :p
[20:52] <IT_Sean> Ah, so there are strings attached.
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[20:52] <IT_Sean> Bugger.
[20:53] * IT_Sean notes that #raspberrypi channel staff accept bribes in the form of functional raspi model B boards
[20:54] <Gadget-Mac> lol
[20:54] <aditsu> what can you offer?
[20:54] <ukscone> i also accept twiglets and cadbury chocolate
[20:57] <IT_Sean> aditsu, one raspi model B gets you three free swears
[20:58] <aditsu> lol
[20:58] <amelia_> IT_Sean: namely gosh, golly and gee whillakers :P
[20:58] <D34TH> what about frabblegash
[20:58] <aditsu> I wouldn't give a pi even for IT_Sean's irc password
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[20:59] <amelia_> aditsu: hunter2?
[20:59] <ukscone> aditsu: it's "i4m1337"
[21:00] <IT_Sean> aditsu, if you want my IRC password, you have to get me one of these, with all the fruit: http://www.originpc.com/eon17-x-gaming-laptop-features.asp
[21:00] <aditsu> amelia_: haha that's a good one
[21:00] <IT_Sean> I'm serious
[21:00] <aditsu> bash salute
[21:00] <amelia_> *salute*
[21:01] <IT_Sean> I'll give you my IRC password, which will get you Ops in 5 channels on this network, in exchange for one of those.
[21:01] <amelia_> IT_Sean: that's not a laptop - it's a desktop with a compact form factor ;)
[21:01] <IT_Sean> Your point
[21:01] <IT_Sean> It's dead sexy is what it is
[21:02] <amelia_> Pfft. Blinded by pixels, you are.
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[21:09] <carldani> Hydrazine: I announced in the forms a few weeks ago that I'd try to write a Linux kernel SPI driver... maybe you saw that.
[21:10] <carldani> aditsu: so if Hexxeh wants to give me his board as a loan, more power to him
[21:10] <Hexxeh> i'm interested in seeing an xorg driver really
[21:10] <Hexxeh> SPI, not so interesting :P
[21:10] <carldani> heh
[21:11] <carldani> my final goal is to abuse the Pi as a flash programmer, and add full flashrom support for its GPIOs.
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[21:12] <carldani> rescue any recent (<10 years) mainboard after a failed BIOS update with the Pi and http://flashrom.org
[21:12] <aditsu> for a second I thought you were talking about adobe flash *shiver*
[21:12] <carldani> ewwww
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[21:13] <carldani> Adobe flash is PUS. (Possibly Unwanted Software).
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[21:18] <Simon-> under 3.3 it's not getting DMA memory allocated
[21:19] <Simon-> they removed */include/mach/memory.h
[21:21] <ReggieUK> an spi driver would be smart
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[21:22] <ReggieUK> then again, you could do all the flashing stuff via an ftdi ft232R now without having to mess with teh pi
[21:22] <ReggieUK> but there's no fun in that :D
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[21:23] <ReggieUK> I spotted a post somewhere about bit-banging jtag with a standard ftdi dongle the other day
[21:23] <ReggieUK> via open OCD
[21:25] <carldani> ReggieUK: I'm the maintainer of flashrom, I worked on the FT2232H flashing driver in flashrom.
[21:25] <ReggieUK> nice
[21:26] <ReggieUK> I have one of those in a dlp-design board
[21:26] <carldani> I think that's supported just fine.
[21:26] <ReggieUK> used it to unbrick a parrot digital photoframe via jtag very recently
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[21:27] <carldani> But having someone check my (unfinished) SPI flashrom driver on a real Pi would be nice
[21:27] <ReggieUK> if I had one, I'd have a go
[21:27] <ReggieUK> still waiting on mine
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[21:28] <bootc> evening - any RPi kernel experts about?
[21:28] <bootc> I'm trying to (a) get early printk working and (b) get it booting from a zImage but so far no luck
[21:28] <bootc> Simon-: lo :-)
[21:29] <Simon-> hi
[21:29] <Gadget-Mac> evening bootc
[21:29] <bootc> hey
[21:29] <bootc> so many familiar faces...
[21:29] <Simon-> maybe now I can finally stop repeating myself
[21:29] <Gadget-Mac> hehe
[21:30] <D34TH> needs moar HCF 0xdd
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[21:33] <Hydrazine> carldani: either missed that or forgot it
[21:33] <bootc> Simon-: [ 4.336857] serial8250.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x20215040 (irq = 29) is a 8250
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[21:35] <Simon-> :)
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[21:43] <Toneloc> so, is the rpi in the hands of the masses yet ??
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[21:43] <SpeedEvil> Some of them, but it's more polite to refer to them as 'big boned' than 'masses'
[21:43] <bootc> Toneloc: looks like there are a lot more getting sent out, I got mine a few days ago
[21:44] <Simon-> bootc: github rebased
[21:44] <bootc> I'm still messing with my 3.1 for now ta :-)
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[21:45] <bootc> still ripping bits out of the USB code that just aren't used
[21:45] <Simon-> [ 1.204484] serial8250.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x20215040 (irq = 29) is a 8250 <-- oh, I already had one of those
[21:45] <Simon-> the delay loop has gone back again :/
[21:46] <Toneloc> SpeedEvil- did you get yours yet?
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> Toneloc: not actually ordered
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> I'm waiting on my link from rs
[21:48] <Toneloc> Ah, okay
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[21:49] <bootc> Toneloc: I ordered mine on the first day from Farnell, at 08:34:24 29/02/2012, and only got it on Friday
[21:50] <DaQatz> O order an hour before you
[21:50] <DaQatz> I do not have it yet
[21:50] <DaQatz> Still listed as backordered.
[21:50] <bootc> DaQatz: that's the date off my order from Farnell (UK)
[21:51] <DaQatz> Farnell 29/02/2012 07:12
[21:51] <bootc> oh well, lucky me :-D
[21:51] <DaQatz> cept I've seen a lot of that >.>
[21:53] * Simon- sighs
[21:53] <Simon-> * Notwithstanding the above, under no circumstances may you combine this
[21:53] <Simon-> * software in any way with any other Broadcom software provided under a
[21:53] <Simon-> * license other than the GPL, without Broadcom's express prior written
[21:53] <Simon-> * consent.
[21:53] <Simon-> that's not legal
[21:53] * Simon- wonders when Broadcom is going to learn how the GPL works
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[21:54] <SpeedEvil> That is quite legal
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> As it does not add additional constraints to the code
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> Because the constraint is on the other code
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[21:55] <Simon-> it adds constaints on "this software"
[21:55] <Simon-> constraints*
[21:56] <bootc> discomeats: does 'echo foo > /dev/ttyS0' crash your RPi? it does mine
[21:56] <mdavey> Simon-: where is that from?
[21:56] <Dagger2> well, it says "Notwithstanding the above"
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't, if the author also speaks for broadcom, and there is no code from broadcom to which that doesn't apply
[21:56] <Dagger2> assuming "the above" is the GPL, then you can just ignore that entire paragraph if the GPL prohibits it
[21:56] <Simon-> mdavey: sound/arm/bcm2835.c
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> The paragraph is in effect null anyway - it just clarifies the licence for stupid people.
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[21:58] <SpeedEvil> (Assuming for the moment that there is no code from broadcom released under open-source licences compatible with GPL, which seems entirely plausible)
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> compatible with GPL that are not GPL
[21:58] <mdavey> who owns the copyright on that?
[21:58] <mdavey> link?
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[21:58] <Simon-> SpeedEvil: could be something PD or BSD
[21:59] <UukGoblin> what sort of embedded memory does the raspi have?
[21:59] <UukGoblin> i.e. what tells the processor to boot from SD?
[21:59] <UukGoblin> is it ROM or some sort of EPROM?
[21:59] <Nr90> The GPU I think
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> Simon-: In principle - yes - but if it's just stating that there is no broadcom software that is under free licences other than the GPL - it's not a restraint.
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> I mean
[22:00] <Simon-> it's not stating that
[22:00] <bootc> Simon-: does 'echo foo > /dev/ttyS0' crash your RPi? it does mine
[22:00] <Simon-> although as Dagger2 says it has no effect
[22:00] <bootc> I just realised I had sent that to the wrong person :-/
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> You can't assume that.
[22:00] * gordon_drogon catches up.
[22:00] <UukGoblin> Nr90, GPU? like, graphics processor?
[22:00] <Simon-> bootc: I can't currently boot it and I'm about to try and bisect 3.3->3.4
[22:00] <mdavey> Simon-: you could argue that the file in question is not covered under a GPL license, but something that is based on GPL. But it is pretty clear that it is Broadcom that owns the copyright, so it is up to them how they wish to license the code.
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> A modified GPL licence that has clauses struck from it by the nature of GPL does not mean it's a valid licence.
[22:01] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: can you test for me pls? :-)
[22:01] <Simon-> mdavey: no it's not
[22:01] <Simon-> mdavey: derivate works of the linux kernel must be licenced under GPLv2
[22:01] <Gadget-Mac> bootc: possibly
[22:01] <Gadget-Mac> What do you need ?
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> You cannot say that the author has released it under the GPL, because they've released it under a modified GPL licence. If they don't consent to you using it as nonmodified GPL - it's simply unlicenced code
[22:02] <mdavey> Right. And unless you try linking that to something that belongs to Broadcom and is not licensed under GPL, that clause doesn't apply.
[22:02] <Simon-> mdavey: the GPL prohibits adding restrictions
[22:03] <dmsuse> ^^^
[22:03] <Simon-> SpeedEvil: they have released it as a linux source tree, therefore the whole thing is GPLv2
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> The GPL prohibiting adding restrictions doesn't mean that by removing it you have a valid licence.
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> Simon-: If the licence is valid.
[22:03] <mdavey> It also prohibits linking to most non-GPL licenses.
[22:03] <Dagger2> mdavey: but if you do try linking it to something that belongs to Broadcom and is not licensed under GPL, that clause still doesn't apply... because the GPL prohibits that clause and that clause starts with "Notwithstanding the above"
[22:04] <Simon-> I'm probably going to break an SD card slot trying to get 3.4 to boot :/
[22:04] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: does 'echo foo > /dev/ttyS0' crash your RPi?
[22:04] <Gadget-Mac> No, no ttyS0
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> Simon-: As a more explicit example - if someone puts a completely incompatible licenced thingy in with the kernel, and ships it as source to someone - that doesn't mean that the person has any sort of licence to that bit of code. It simply means they have no licence.
[22:05] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: ah, fair enough
[22:05] <Dagger2> or, well, the GPL _would_ prohibit adding that clause if it didn't start with "Notwithstanding the above", but because it does the clause optimizes down to nothing, which is then compatible
[22:05] <Gadget-Mac> AMA0 iirc
[22:05] <bootc> yep I have one of those too
[22:06] <bootc> but this might explain why I see my kernel lockup solid when I try to use earlyprintk
[22:06] <Simon-> bootc: I'll recompile 3.3 and try it
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[22:07] <bootc> this may also explain why the zImage doesn't boot, as I think it tries to send stuff to the UART too
[22:07] <Simon-> oh?
[22:07] <Simon-> even if it's not told to use ttyS0?
[22:08] <bootc> you know, like "Decompressing kernel..."
[22:09] <Simon-> aha!
[22:09] <Simon-> yes, arch/arm/boot/compressed/misc.c is rather simple and just dumps to somewhere
[22:12] <bootc> Simon-: arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach/uncompress.h
[22:12] <bootc> definition of putc() and flush()
[22:12] <Simon-> oh
[22:12] <Simon-> heh.
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[22:13] <mdavey> It is not clear to me whether the "notwithstanding" statement applies to jus the preceding paragraph (the special exception), or both paragraphs.
[22:14] <Simon-> hmm... it's botting 3.3 this time
[22:14] <Simon-> booting
[22:15] <Simon-> it suddenly decided there was a new card present
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[22:15] <Simon-> Linux raspberrypi 3.3.0+ #26 Sun May 6 21:07:06 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:15] <Simon-> :D
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:15] <Simon-> http://s85.org/63zPwLe2 isn't good
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[22:17] <bootc> so maybe the thing to do is to change arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach/uncompress.h to use the AMBA PL011 UART instead
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[22:19] <Simon-> isn't that what it already does?
[22:20] <Simon-> bootc: cu: open (/dev/ttyS0): Permission denied
[22:20] <Simon-> cu: /dev/ttyS0: Line in use
[22:20] <bootc> hmm
[22:20] <Simon-> bootc: but echoing to it does cause it to stop responding
[22:20] <bootc> oh permission denied
[22:20] <bootc> odd
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[22:21] <bootc> I think that UART may be broken or not set up properly or disabled
[22:21] <bootc> the PL011 isn't register-compatible with the 16550 UART
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[22:22] <Simon-> and yet they're blindly writing to it :/
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[22:22] <Simon-> is the provided kernel compressed?
[22:22] <bootc> no
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[22:24] * Simon- ifdefs out that putc() code
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[22:25] * Simon- successfully boots a compressed kernel
[22:27] <bootc> heh nice
[22:27] <bootc> "The BCM2835 device has two UARTS. On mini UART and and PL011 UART. This section
[22:27] <bootc> describes the PL011 UART. For details of the mini UART see 2.2 Mini UART."
[22:27] <bootc> possibly the problem with the mini UART is because indeed GPIOs aren't set up
[22:28] <bootc> "If the UART1_RX line is low (because the GPIO pins have not been set-up yet)
[22:28] <bootc> that will be seen as a start bit and the UART will start receiving 0x00-characters."
[22:28] <Simon-> heh
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[22:30] <bootc> of course it may be the unit is disabled, as receiving 0x00 shouldn't be a problem if you're only wanting to transmit
[22:30] <bootc> it's disabled at reset state apparently
[22:31] <Simon-> https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/0bc6331002b1b2015de6dc82ce99ef9506d2f78f
[22:31] <bootc> "If the enable bits are clear you will have no access to a peripheral. You can not even read or
[22:31] <bootc> write the registers!"
[22:32] <bootc> Simon-: nice one :-)
[22:32] <bootc> I'll keep trying to get it to print to the other UART tho
[22:32] <Simon-> that will save 1.5MB of flash on every kernel
[22:32] <Simon-> it'd be useful to switch UART1 on for earlyprintk and decompression but the two drivers are going to need to block each other...
[22:33] <Simon-> are the alternative GPIO configurations per pin or global?
[22:33] <bootc> no idea
[22:33] <Hydrazine> per pin
[22:33] <Simon-> ok
[22:33] <bootc> my thought was just to get it to set up the PL011 and use that instead
[22:34] <bootc> then no faffing required
[22:34] <Simon-> so in theory no one is ever forced to use a particular UART
[22:34] <Simon-> well if it has an 8250 then that's simpler
[22:34] <Simon-> and it means you could get grub running on it
[22:34] <Simon-> although there'd be no way to access any files
[22:34] <Simon-> would be useful to netboot it though
[22:34] <bootc> otherwise I have to make sure the UART1 is enabled, twiddle the ALT mode on the pins, and then hand over to the PL011 (undoing the twiddling) at a later stage
[22:34] <Simon-> assuming grub has usb support :/
[22:35] <Simon-> bootc: I was thinking more of the issue of having them both there after bootup
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[22:35] <bootc> Simon-: yeah, hence just using the PL011 would be simpler
[22:36] <Simon-> Rebasing (4/10685) this is going to take a long time.
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[22:37] <Simon-> quicker to remerge master
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[22:40] <mukti> Where is everyone getting their power supplies from?
[22:40] <haltdef> I ordered the one RS suggested
[22:41] <Simon-> I'm just using the one that came with my phone
[22:41] <mukti> haltdef: What one did they suggest? Did they provide a link somewhere?
[22:42] <bootc> mukti: I'm currently using my PC, but I have a BlackBerry plug-in charger (700mA) that works just fine too
[22:42] <haltdef> during ordering they said "you might find these useful"
[22:42] <bootc> (got it for free when I bought the micro-USB cable in a phone shop)
[22:42] <mukti> ah, okay
[22:43] * Simon- starts a git bisect and the bcm2708 support vanishes
[22:43] <mukti> I was looking at a 1A one from monoprice, I'll probably just pick it up when I order my HDMI cable,USB hub, etc.
[22:43] <mukti> Is anyone using wireless on their RaspPi?
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[23:01] <gordon_drogon> I'm using a powered hub to power the Pi.
[23:01] <gordon_drogon> Hub has a 2A PSU.
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[23:07] <Hexxeh> has anyone had an initrd run on the raspi?
[23:08] <Hexxeh> is it just a case of appending it to the kernel image?
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[23:08] <gordon_drogon> I'm sure I read some folks here talking earlier about a kernel with an initrd...
[23:09] <gordon_drogon> but not me.
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[23:20] <DaQatz> I have had issues with initrd on the 3+ line of kernels
[23:20] <DaQatz> cpio arcs rarely seem to work
[23:21] <DaQatz> If I do an ext2 image that seems to work.
[23:21] <DaQatz> Yet to try on it on a pi since they have not shipped me mine.
[23:22] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: how's it done exactly?
[23:22] <Hexxeh> i've built an ext2 image, gziped it
[23:23] <DaQatz> Yeah as long as it's the right size
[23:23] <DaQatz> That is how, I use XZ mostly now though. Not gzip
[23:23] <Hexxeh> is it just appended to kernel.img?
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[23:24] <DaQatz> You can specify the initramfs from inside the kernel when you build it. Or use the boot loader.
[23:24] <Hexxeh> you can't specify one on the rpi bootloader
[23:24] <Hexxeh> specify?
[23:25] <DaQatz> Yeah let me check where
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[23:26] <DaQatz> Okies in "General setup" -> "Initramfs source files"
[23:27] <DaQatz> [*] Initial RAM filesystem and RAM disk (initramfs/initrd) support
[23:27] <DaQatz> Of course
[23:27] <DaQatz> There you can set the image location.
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[23:28] <DaQatz> I do not recommend using the "dir" but rather the actual image.
[23:28] <DaQatz> The dir one has never worked rigth for me.
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[23:40] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: i've enabled that, but i don't see any location option?
[23:41] <DaQatz> No "() Initramfs source file(s)"
[23:41] <DaQatz> ?
[23:41] <Hexxeh> oh, i see sorry yeah
[23:41] <Hexxeh> so you give the path to the file there
[23:41] <Hexxeh> and it cooks it in when building the image?
[23:42] <DaQatz> It will try to make a cpio, or use a given a file if it has a .cpio extension.
[23:43] <Hexxeh> ah
[23:45] <DaQatz> If it's a dir, it will try to make a cpio out of it. If it's a file with no .cpio extension it expects it to be a "space separated" list of files to make a cpio with. If the file has a.cpio it just uses it.
[23:46] <DaQatz> At least as far as I can tell from using the feature.
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[23:48] <Hexxeh> seems to work
[23:48] <Hexxeh> i'll try booting it
[23:51] <Hexxeh> doesn't like init
[23:51] <Hexxeh> hmm
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[23:53] <Hexxeh> failed to execute /init
[23:53] <Hexxeh> but it's definitely there and executable
[23:53] <DaQatz> Hmm
[23:53] <fragalot> Any chance of rpi's being released in the future with 2 network ports?
[23:53] <DaQatz> WOnder why it failed to execute init
[23:53] <DaQatz> fragalot, very low
[23:54] <Hexxeh> fragalot: no, but you connect another NIC via USB
[23:54] <fragalot> Hexxeh: That 'l do
[23:54] * fragalot patiently waits until he can order one
[23:56] <DrumGeek> fragalot: Me too!
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[23:56] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: any idea as a minimum what I need in lib? i've got all the libraries shown by ldd
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[23:57] <DaQatz> Hmm I tend to use ldd to figure that out.
[23:57] <DaQatz> Sure nothing was missed?
[23:57] <DaQatz> Or is there a reason to not use busybox?
[23:58] <zleap> looks like they have really ramped up production
[23:59] <amelia_> fragalot: given existing NIC is running on the USB bus anyway, just get a usb ethernet adapter, job done
[23:59] <DDave> still only "register your interest"
[23:59] <DDave> stupid site :(
[23:59] <amelia_> alternatively look at existing wall wart solutions with multiple NICs

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