#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <DDave> how much did you guys pay for your model b?
[0:01] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: i was hoping to have /init be my kexecboot binary
[0:01] <Hexxeh> trying having it as bash now
[0:01] * DaQatz nods.
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[0:02] <amelia_> DDave: I'm no guy, but I paid ~240kr for it, hold on
[0:03] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: dies with bash too... :/
[0:03] <DDave> About 32e amelia_ right?
[0:03] <DaQatz> Something must be missing.
[0:03] <Hexxeh> clearly
[0:03] <DDave> somehow I can only buy it for 32 GBP o.0
[0:04] <amelia_> DDave: ?21.60 -- so 26.7i EUR
[0:04] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: is there some starting point you know of i can try?
[0:04] <DaQatz> Well normally I test with a prebuilt busybox image that I already know works.
[0:04] <DaQatz> To be sure the arc is being built right.
[0:05] <DaQatz> From there I start to add the files, boot, and test them.
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[0:05] <DaQatz> After a bit I am able to remove the busybox files.
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[0:05] <Hexxeh> i'll try that then
[0:07] <DDave> what the f...
[0:07] <DDave> Why do I have to pay 32GBP o.0
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[0:08] <bootc> DDave: because you have to pay VAT
[0:09] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: maybe it's my toolchain, using armv6j-raspberrypi-linux-gnueabi
[0:09] <DDave> How come I have to pay VAT if I don't live in the UK :/
[0:09] <Thorn__> and at117.5% that works out just righht :P
[0:09] <DDave> bootc: Shouldnt that only be for UK people?
[0:09] <bootc> DDave: anyone inside the EU
[0:09] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, Possible I guess.
[0:09] <bootc> you pay the VAT for the country you're buying from
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[0:11] <DDave> bootc: thanks
[0:12] <plugwash> any individual or non vat registered buisness in the EU buying from a vat registered buisness in the EU has to pay VAT, IIRC it can be the VAT of either the suppliers country or the consumers conuntry deepending on some complex rules I don't understand
[0:12] <Dagger2> which is 20% for the UK, just to remind you
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[0:12] <dmsuse> thats why there is no manufacturing industry in the uk :p
[0:13] <_av500_> lol
[0:13] <DDave> This is so retarded... LOL
[0:13] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: building busybox doesn't result in an init binary in _install, is linuxrc supposed to be init?
[0:13] <DDave> 39 Euro for something that small...
[0:13] <dmsuse> they should just use a chinese distribution company
[0:14] <DDave> Yea...
[0:14] <DDave> and maybe ramp up that production a few more notches..
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[0:15] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, Just have it use "bb" as init.
[0:18] <Simon-> 9b96fbacda34079dea0638ee1e92c56286f6114a breaks the rpi serial console
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[0:22] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: do you have some known working initrd files i can try
[0:23] <DaQatz> For arm? no.
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[0:25] <DaQatz> Once I actually get my pi, that will chnage.
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[0:53] <mukti> Has anyone received shipping/tracking information from Farnell?
[0:54] <mukti> I know my order has been processed, and my CC has been charged, but I can't seem to find any tracking
[0:54] <bootc> mukti: I never got a tracking number, but Farnell did tell me it was shipped
[0:54] <bootc> took a couple of days for me (UK)
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[0:55] <mukti> Okay, I'm expecting a few weeks
[0:56] <mukti> I got an email last week, but I'm in the US
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[0:56] <plugwash> mukti, farnell sometimes send stuff by post in which case there won't be a tracking number
[0:57] <plugwash> and it seems they are sending the current lot of pis that way
[0:58] <mukti> Delivery method says UPS for mine
[0:59] <mukti> It could be some post/UPS combined shipping method. I know that I sometimes recieve FedEX packages via USPS
[0:59] <DrumGeek> RS just keep sending me updates and apologising for the delay!
[0:59] <DrumGeek> In the UK BTW...
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[1:01] <mukti> The email I got last week was the first email I got since my order confirmation back in february haah
[1:01] <Veryevil> hey, can someone confirm that the PI use the ARMv6KZ instruction set
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[1:06] <mukti> Has anyone used a USB monitor/display with their RaspPi?
[1:07] <amelia_> mukti: given the speed of the bus, I'm unsure why you'd want to be restricted by a USB display?
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[1:09] <mukti> amelia_: Just curious. I have a tiny USB monitor that I was going to test with it (not to be used as the primary display)
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[1:10] <tzarc> Veryevil: my kernel was compiled with those optimisations, and it boots fine... binaries aren't so forgiving - I think I'm missing a .so despite what ldd says
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[1:16] <D34TH> 10.0.2
[1:16] <D34TH> dafaq
[1:17] <tzarc> probably testing or dev branch
[1:17] <D34TH> latest is 12
[1:17] <D34TH> D:
[1:17] <D34TH> dev is 13
[1:17] <tzarc> chrome is currently v18, but I'm running v20, go figure
[1:17] <tzarc> ah
[1:17] <D34TH> canary
[1:17] <D34TH> :3
[1:17] <D34TH> its sexy but i cant get sound working with flash
[1:17] * tzarc doesn't look at firefox terribly often :P
[1:19] <D34TH> tzarc does sound work in canary for you?
[1:19] <tzarc> well considering I'm on windows, I have a fair idea that it would :P
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[1:22] <tzarc> time to go to work, bbl
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[1:54] <IT_Sean> There is a pair of bunnies in my back yard doing what bunnies do best.
[1:57] <DrumGeek> IT_Sean: What, eating carrots?! ;)
[1:57] <IT_Sean> ... ... ...no
[1:57] <IT_Sean> the OTHER thing that bunnies do best.
[1:57] <DrumGeek> Hehe, jk!
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[2:01] <gurgalof> ssch there may be kids here
[2:04] <IT_Sean> hush
[2:04] <IT_Sean> BRB
[2:04] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: BRB)
[2:05] <shirro> Gone to get his gun?
[2:06] <DrumGeek> ...or a boiling pot?
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[2:08] * IT_Sean is back
[2:08] <shirro> The reason we need to collect wifi license money from the rest of the world is so we can work out how to kill the rabbits. It is all about the rabbits.
[2:09] <IT_Sean> HEY! :(
[2:09] <IT_Sean> bad shirro
[2:09] <IT_Sean> bad!
[2:09] <shirro> Tell it to the native plants and animals
[2:09] * IT_Sean gives shirro a furry pile of adorableness
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[2:12] * IT_Sean needs one of those USB LED keyboard lights if he is going to type on this thing in the dark
[2:13] <shirro> I got a stupid "gamer" keyboard so I can type of an evening. One thing I really like about the macbook.
[2:13] <shirro> I daren't plug it in to the Pi. Smoke would probably come out
[2:14] <IT_Sean> my thinkpad has full sized keycaps, but, the spacing between them is smaller than what i am used to.
[2:15] <IT_Sean> I might go buy one this week. I'll want it this weekend.
[2:16] <shirro> I hate that. I have an old netbook (msi wind) I use for serial terminal. Bloody painful to type on.
[2:16] <IT_Sean> I just need to get used to it
[2:17] <IT_Sean> this is a joy to type on, i'm just not used to it yet.
[2:17] <shirro> I need a kvm I think. Getting too many keyboards on my desk. Synergy breaks too easily when you are messing with things.
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[2:17] <IT_Sean> KVM FTW
[2:17] <shirro> I think I have one in the garage but it is old school (vga, ps/2)
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[2:18] <IT_Sean> I have a 4 port in my office.
[2:18] <IT_Sean> can switch inputs by hitting ctrl ctrl #
[2:18] <Matt> I've got an 8 port on my desk downstairs
[2:18] <IT_Sean> nice.
[2:18] <shirro> Nice. Trouble is I have one arm board with vga and no hdmi, and one with hdmi and no vga. Still if I could multiplex input would be good.
[2:18] <Matt> they're handy little buggers
[2:18] <IT_Sean> indeed
[2:19] <Matt> I have three cables going off to my bench
[2:19] <IT_Sean> My offie has 5 PCs in it, so....
[2:19] <IT_Sean> *office
[2:19] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/stuff/labneedsatidy.jpg
[2:19] <shirro> I used to use them a lot. Especially when I was doing support stuff. But now I seem to have laptops everywhere. At last count there were 4-5 laptops on my desk.
[2:19] <Matt> that's last year at some point IIRC
[2:19] <Matt> it's been tidied up a bit since then :)
[2:19] <IT_Sean> wow
[2:19] <IT_Sean> damn, man
[2:19] <IT_Sean> clean that up
[2:20] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:20] <Matt> and yes, the box in the middle is liquid cooled
[2:20] <Matt> that was the middle of the build
[2:20] <shirro> Matt: My lounge room looks worse than that
[2:20] * shirro glares at kids
[2:21] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:21] <IT_Sean> ah. heh
[2:21] <shirro> kids constantly try and liquid cool my computers as well. One decided to drop test mums hp laptop yesterday.
[2:22] <IT_Sean> oh no!
[2:22] <IT_Sean> did it pass the test?
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[2:23] <shirro> surprisingly yes. it looks really cheap and plastic but there was some metal near the hinge that looks to have bent and absorbed most of the force
[2:23] <IT_Sean> groovy.
[2:25] <shirro> I wish I had a space like Matt. My shed is huge but it has an ecology of redback spiders, mice and large lizards.
[2:25] * IT_Sean lends shirro his flamethrower
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[2:36] <amelia_> shirro: burn the shed down?
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[2:39] <shirro> amelia_: that might be a bit extreme. I will do another dose of insect bombs and ratpoison first I think
[2:39] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:39] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:39] <amelia_> Burn it. They'll still hide in the shed.
[2:40] <amelia_> Burn it to the ground, burn the charred remains, and build again :P
[2:40] <IT_Sean> Burn the shed. then burn the rubble. then put the rubble thru a woodchipper. then burn the wodchipper.
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[2:41] <IT_Sean> then take the ashes, seal them in a cement cask, and store them in a nuclear waste storage facility.
[2:41] <amelia_> yup
[2:41] <amelia_> only true way to get rid of evil spiders :P
[2:41] <IT_Sean> yup
[2:41] <shirro> it doesn't work. you will just wake up one day and there will be spiders everywhere. nature is out to get us
[2:42] * IT_Sean shudders
[2:43] <amelia_> :(
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[2:45] * IT_Sean yawns
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[2:45] <shirro> nobody has died from redbacks for decades though. I am more freaked out by the non-poisonous ones that jump at you or you kill them and hundreds of other spiders come out of the dead body. There was a change in weather and everything on my verandah just got covered in cobwebs. I will have to go dig the bikes out some time.
[2:46] <D34TH> lol
[2:47] <IT_Sean> i do NOT like spiders
[2:47] * IT_Sean loads a shotgun
[2:47] * IT_Sean looks around for spiders
[2:47] <des2> Flamethrower is better.
[2:47] <mozzwald> spiders eat pests like mosquitos
[2:47] <IT_Sean> No, because then the spiders are pissed off and ON FIRE.
[2:48] <D34TH> the ones i dont like are non-poisonus that still try to destroy you with leaping
[2:48] <D34TH> and plant webs where i walk
[2:48] <shirro> if you squash something it should be dead right? Thousands of other spiders should not emerge from the corpse. That is bloody science fiction horror stuff.
[2:48] <IT_Sean> aye
[2:48] <IT_Sean> indeed
[2:49] <IT_Sean> that's just not natural
[2:50] <IT_Sean> spiders are evil
[2:52] <amelia_> :(
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[2:52] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:52] <D34TH> hmm
[2:52] <D34TH> sPider
[2:53] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:54] * IT_Sean kills it with fire
[2:55] <amelia_> Spider-pig, Spider-pig, does whatever a Spider-pig does. Can he swing, from a web? No he can't, 'cause he's a pig... Look out, here comes the Spider-pig :P
[2:55] <IT_Sean> How did the pig tracks get on the ceiling?
[2:56] <amelia_> :D
[2:56] <IT_Sean> Dome-depot! For all your dome needs.
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[2:57] * IT_Sean is thirsty
[2:58] <Matt> so get a drink
[2:58] <Matt> there's beer in the basement
[2:58] * Matt points
[2:58] * IT_Sean doesn't drink beer
[2:58] * Matt blinks
[2:59] * IT_Sean puts on his Sober Irishman t-shirt
[2:59] <amelia_> IT_Sean: I think Matt is a bit taken aback by someone with IT_ as a start, not drinking beer. You ruin the stereotype for all neckbeard alkie techie types ;)
[2:59] <Matt> in which case, there's water from the fridge, and the kettle is over there
[2:59] <shirro> IT_Sean: way to destroy national stereotypes as well
[3:00] <IT_Sean> I don't have a neckbeard
[3:00] <Matt> tea's in the cupboard above the kettle, mugs in the one to the left
[3:00] * IT_Sean goes to get a positively massive glass of ice water, and a cookie
[3:00] <shirro> Is it ok to have a beard on the neck if it is trimmed and you have hair on your cheeks as well?
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[3:01] <Matt> there's cookies in the pantry
[3:02] <amelia_> There is bacon in my belly ^^
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[3:03] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Are you a girl?
[3:03] <jm|laptop> "Who's a girl? I wanna girl!"
[3:03] <shirro> SpeedEvil: if I was I would be in a circus
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> jm|laptop: With a beard?
[3:03] <IT_Sean> DO we have a girl in here?
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> jm|laptop: Or are you not that picky.
[3:03] <jm|laptop> "Does anybody else love Angelina Jolie?"
[3:03] * amelia_ glares at IT_Sean
[3:03] <IT_Sean> :p
[3:04] <IT_Sean> what!?
[3:04] <jm|laptop> "(She has enormous lips.)"
[3:04] <amelia_> IT_Sean: [02:02] <IT_Sean> DO we have a girl in here?
[3:04] <amelia_> ^^ *that*
[3:04] <Matt> there are plenty of girls on freenode, so this doesn't surprise me :)
[3:04] <IT_Sean> i was kidding! jeez
[3:05] <shirro> The truth is we are all girls pretending to be blokes so nobody hits on us
[3:06] <amelia_> shirro: don't tell them! Ssshhhhhh!
[3:06] <amelia_> :P
[3:06] * IT_Sean snaps amelia_'s bra strap
[3:06] * IT_Sean hides
[3:06] <amelia_> IT_Sean: how do you know I'm wearing one?
[3:07] <jm|laptop> . o O ( /j #hottub )
[3:07] <IT_Sean> Whelp... it was either your bra strap, or matt's
[3:07] <IT_Sean> so...
[3:07] * IT_Sean wishes he had a raspi
[3:08] <shirro> IT_Sean: you know they are really slow right?
[3:08] <shirro> and they don't run windows
[3:08] <jm|laptop> ARM is dying.
[3:09] <IT_Sean> Yes. I know
[3:09] <amelia_> shirro: please tell me you're a troll? :D
[3:10] <Matt> :P
[3:10] <shirro> amelia_: actually they are really slow. but the price is good. and I might be part troll on my fathers side but I am house trained
[3:11] <amelia_> I find that very hard to believe .... and they weren't designed for speed, you know. Clearly you don't appreciate the Pi :P
[3:11] * D34TH wishes he had a raspi
[3:12] <shirro> I was running top over ssh while opengl shader demo was running. It is quite weird to watch something whizzy moving around on the screen on a $35 computer in full HD with less than 1% of cpu being used. But it is still slow overall.
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[3:19] <Kewlj1313> Hello all!
[3:19] <Kewlj1313> Cannot wait to get my Pi :) shipping May 29 from what I can tell
[3:20] <shirro> Yes, it is nice to end the wait. Was very happy when mine arrived
[3:20] <shirro> Do you have plans for it?
[3:20] <Kewlj1313> I would like to try out XBMC on it, specifically Openelec
[3:20] <Kewlj1313> other than that not sure yet :) maybe some robotics
[3:21] <shirro> The video playback is very good from what I have seen. Probably is one of the things it truly excels at. I was a doubter.
[3:21] <Kewlj1313> yea
[3:22] <shirro> It is a bit fragile with format support but the usual codecs are fine. And you need to use the specialised players like xbmc, omxplayer. The people who have tried to apt-get a standard player have had a shock.
[3:22] <Kewlj1313> ah yea as expected
[3:22] <Kewlj1313> just as you would probably see with an ion gpu
[3:23] <shirro> ion?
[3:24] <shirro> It is a videocore iv
[3:25] <Kewlj1313> yea
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[3:27] <shirro> must say I am impressed that the brits still do some serious IT. I googled videocore and it is another cambridge thing. And I was reading about the history of arm/acorn and the broadcom connections and read about Sophie Wilson's Firepath design. It is a pity we don't get to play with that sort of stuff.
[3:28] <amelia_> did you think the Brits just sat around drinking tea and smoking pipes?
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[3:29] <DaQatz> Ummm do you really want us to answer that?
[3:30] <shirro> They don't sell themselves very well.
[3:30] <amelia_> Well, I did ask.. more to the point, I asked shirro
[3:30] <jm|laptop> . o O ( like prostitutes might )
[3:32] <shirro> I had a couple of british computers in the 80s but always sort of thought it was because because we were english language and they had a bigger population etc so we imported from there rather than some other country. For some reason I never really connected that they had some leadership in this stuff.
[3:33] * Matt sits around drinking tea
[3:33] <shirro> I have relied on broadcom dsl chips for ages and never realised they might be designed by people who built the BBC micro
[3:35] <amelia_> ^^
[3:36] <des2> British computing apparently didn't end with Clive Sinclair.
[3:36] <shirro> I have to rewatch micro men now. Damn you
[3:36] <des2> Of course most computing switched to Asia.
[3:37] <shirro> I love Clive riding off into the sunset on his C5 at the end
[3:38] <amelia_> You might want to check out http://sinclairzx.com/
[3:38] <des2> I actually bought a Sinclair multimeter when it came out: http://www.clive.nl/image/50140/10340
[3:38] <shirro> Clive Sinclair probably contributed more than anyone to my negative view of uk computing.
[3:39] <shirro> Giving away my age here, but I went to an interview at one of the colonial branches of ICL. All the brown everywhere was like stepping back into the 70s. And they showed me some fibre based networking which was cool for the time. But then there was the computer with the integrated sinclair microdrives. I think the look on my face probably stopped me getting called back for a second interview.
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[3:40] <DaQatz> That "Omg what is wrong with you?" look?
[3:41] <shirro> Yup. I can't believe I ever wanted a QL.
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[3:44] <SpeedEvil> Microdrives were a reasonable solution at teh time for home use
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[3:45] <shirro> amelia_: that is scary. is this guy single minded or what. If he had made it to run on a footpath and into shops he would have had the whole of the obese western world to sell too. Instead he wanted to put a low, fragile bit of plastic on a highway with SUVs.
[3:46] <des2> Well some of us did use audio casettes to store our files on.
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[3:46] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[3:46] <amelia_> shirro: Now that's not true. For a start, it wasn't designed for 'highway' use - for another, there weren't really SUVs around at that time. Yes, goods vehicles were an issue.. but generally people wouldn't be stupid enough to use such a small/light thing on busy roads with heavy goods traffic
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> If your bar is 'better than audiocassette' - you'll accept a lot less in a data storage device
[3:47] <des2> shirro I think that's called the Segway.
[3:47] <mukti> Where is everyone ordering their SD cards from? Are there any places that sell for noticibly cheap?
[3:47] <des2> mukti first you need to select a model that will work with the Pi
[3:47] <mukti> Class 4?
[3:48] <shirro> amelia_: he might have had a chance as a commuter vehicle in a place like japan. they do sell micro cars there. I think it would be a stretch in a car culture like here.
[3:48] <shirro> I currently have a class 6 that I bought from the post office in my Pi. I figured it wasn't worth fussing over it.
[3:48] <des2> Usually it's good to frequent places like fatwallet.com and slickdeals.com to see what the latest DC card deals are.
[3:49] <amelia_> shirro: I don't know where you are, but the "highway with SUVs" comments suggests stateside, and not being hugely up on the whole point of the C5
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[3:50] <des2> Whatever the point was it seems to have missed it as it failed.
[3:50] <shirro> amelia_: no, regional Australia. But even in a city here I think there would be a lot of safety concerns about the size and lack of passenger protection. I think I would feel safer on a bike - I would have better visibility and would feel like I could avoid things better
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[3:51] <Dagger2> "(delivery estimated July 2011)"... impressive
[3:52] <amelia_> Perhaps, but you have to take into account traffic now isn't anything like what it was then, and that bikes could be just as invisible, sometimes moreso.
[3:53] <mukti> Would it matter if the SD card is higher then Class 4?
[3:53] <des2> Well the higher class SD cards (10) can be a problem
[3:54] <des2> Having to do with the Pi's inability to supply lower voltages apparently.
[3:54] <des2> Has someone made a database of working and not-working cards ?
[3:54] <mukti> Oh, okay
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[3:55] <shirro> amelia_: I love the idea of electric vehicles. He was way ahead of his time. But I think the form factor he settled on is rubbish. Anything with 3 wheels is more pram than car and it is like something out of Mr Bean. Most drivers here are idiots and think they own the road. It is bad enough riding a bike. I think a C5 (or X-1) would be suicide. It is a shame but like the Segway it is an idea that just doesn't work in reality.
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[3:57] <shirro> some people seem to have a lot of problems with sd cards. I have tried a few and they all just worked. I have a lot more issues with usb storage thanks to the buggy drivers
[3:57] <des2> Cheap electric car: http://www.kctv5.com/story/18100916/high-school-senior
[3:58] <amelia_> The Segway threw itself out of licensing classification before it began. Too fast for pavements, too abstract for roads. C5 was badly marketed, but had potential
[3:59] <wkl_mac> des2: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[3:59] <des2> Why thank you wiki_mac.
[4:01] <des2> Even lists 'problem' SD cards.
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[4:02] <shirro> des2: the problem is a manufacturer can substitute the internals of their cards due to supply issues over time or for different markets and prices.
[4:03] <des2> Yes that can and does happen.
[4:03] <des2> Especially for more generic cards.
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[4:04] <des2> Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an easy fix for the voltage issue.
[4:04] <shirro> One option is just to get something reasonably priced that isn't too high spec and then put your root on usb storage. Unfortunately that hasn't been working too well
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[4:07] <shirro> des2: my understanding it that cards should be happy to run at the higher voltage and it was the driver attempting to switch it down when the hardware couldn't support it that caused the problem. That should have been addressed by a one line kernel patch so I don't understand the continuing sd card issues
[4:08] <shirro> I also don't understand why they are persisting with a usb driver that will never make it into mainline instead of throw in with the samsung driver people.
[4:11] <DaQatz> I do not think they are concerned with the main line kernel.
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[4:12] <shirro> Great, another arm board stuck in kernel limbo. Add it to the pile I guess.
[4:13] <DaQatz> I was saying that would be a likely problem when they started talking about blob kernel drivers.
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[4:13] <DaQatz> After they realized the route can't get into main line, why bother to do so with any of the code?
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[5:46] <RBlunderbuss> can anybody decipher this for me? http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-r8192u-usb and tell me if I can get this dang RealTek 8191SU to work with the RPi?
[5:48] <Nr90> Im not an expert but it says the driver is included in the mainline kernel. So i'd say so
[5:53] <RBlunderbuss> I can't even get it to show up with lsmod or iwconfig
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[5:53] <Nr90> Might have to add firmware
[5:53] <RBlunderbuss> tried to...
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[6:00] <mpthompson> Ahhh, wasted away again in Margaritaville... It's been a looooonngggg weekend... Time to relax...
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[7:01] <shirro> mpthompson: how are we at with X on raspbian. I need something later than squeeze.
[7:02] <shirro> I am guessing xorg-xserver-* would have been built pretty early as dependencies for the rest?
[7:05] <mpthompson> shirro, I tried LXDE, most of which appears to be built. But, it had dependency issues including xorg. I think it's still a bit too early. Perhaps in a few days.
[7:06] <shirro> I might jump in now I think. Have put it off long enough. I really just want to compile against up to date packages. Hopefully I can pull in enough dependencies to do the job. Thanks heaps for your efforts.
[7:06] <mpthompson> We're just over 50% of the binary packages built so far. Still a ways to go, but not too bad progress for two weeks and just 5 build machines.
[7:08] <shirro> bootstrapping....
[7:08] <mpthompson> Terrific. Let me know how it goes. Plugwash has been doing a good job of finding out which packages need to be built to release many others for autobuilding. I'm still not sure how he does it.
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[9:37] <gordon_drogon> What Ho good peoples of the #raspeberrypi!
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[9:38] <gordon_drogon> it's a gloomy and wet bank holiday monday here..
[9:38] <Eigen> hmm
[9:38] <Eigen> nothing much
[9:39] <Eigen> although it is not a bank holiday and it (was) sunny
[9:39] <ajtag> gordon_drogon: where is here?
[9:39] <gordon_drogon> England.
[9:39] <Eigen> ajtag: good question
[9:39] <Eigen> where is truly here
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> gloomy and wet? where else would it be?
[9:39] <Eigen> What is here
[9:39] <gordon_drogon> Scotland!
[9:39] <Eigen> here could be there
[9:39] <Eigen> or somewhere
[9:39] <gordon_drogon> and back again.
[9:40] <Eigen> or nowhere
[9:40] <ajtag> i havent opened the blinds yet and i was hoping for sun
[9:40] <Eigen> lol
[9:40] <Eigen> Man
[9:40] <ajtag> leeds here
[9:40] <Eigen> do you ever get all the users active on here at once?
[9:40] <Eigen> That would be epic
[9:40] <gordon_drogon> epic or incomprehensible!
[9:41] <Eigen> both
[9:41] <gordon_drogon> epically incomprehensibe.
[9:41] <Eigen> There are more mods than most irc chats
[9:41] <Eigen> gordon_drogon: yes
[9:41] <Eigen> it would be like twitter
[9:41] <Eigen> but like inescapable
[9:41] <gordon_drogon> depends how many followers you have!
[9:42] <gordon_drogon> I seem to have gained a few more in the past couple of day.
[9:42] <Eigen> nono I mean like
[9:42] <Eigen> looking at the live twitter logs
[9:42] <Eigen> as they come in
[9:42] <gordon_drogon> like watching the global feed...
[9:42] <Eigen> on anything
[9:42] <shirro> there is this nice little window in the afternoon when the uk join us but the americas are still asleep where we can share our common language and love of things like biscuits without explaining everything
[9:42] <Eigen> yea
[9:42] <Eigen> Thats scary
[9:43] <Eigen> I guess
[9:43] <gordon_drogon> your down-under, shirro ?
[9:43] <gordon_drogon> or are we up over?
[9:43] <Eigen> There are so many ppl on here that you cannot remember them all
[9:43] <gordon_drogon> just take it as it comes.
[9:43] <Eigen> gordon_drogon: I'm up-sideways
[9:44] <shirro> as far as times are concerns probably being lined up with china is more relevant than which hemisphere. but yes, australia
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[9:44] <gordon_drogon> so... vegemite or bovril?
[9:44] <ajtag> sun!
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[9:45] <shirro> we start them on vegemite at birth. if they don't eat it we leave them out for the wildlife to take them
[9:45] <gordon_drogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php rain
[9:45] <Eigen> oh
[9:45] <gordon_drogon> hehe...
[9:45] <Eigen> that sucks
[9:45] <Eigen> Vancouver is worse though
[9:45] <gordon_drogon> I'm one of the anti-marmite people...
[9:46] <gordon_drogon> can't stand the stuff.
[9:46] <Eigen> yea
[9:46] <gordon_drogon> that and celery.
[9:46] <Eigen> the smell is bad enough
[9:46] <gordon_drogon> sadly my wife loves both )-:
[9:47] <shirro> I have to try an irn bru one day. It is one of the things you have in common with here. You have a local product that outsells coke
[9:47] <gordon_drogon> if only I'd known that before....
[9:47] <Eigen> gordon_drogon: so how many ppl are in front of you
[9:47] <Eigen> in the queue
[9:47] <gordon_drogon> yea, irn-bru :)
[9:47] <ajtag> but a nice view
[9:47] <gordon_drogon> which queue?
[9:47] <Eigen> the order queue
[9:47] <gordon_drogon> oh, no idea.
[9:47] <gordon_drogon> I have a Pi so i'm not overly concerned.
[9:48] <Eigen> really?
[9:48] <Eigen> you testing them?
[9:48] <gordon_drogon> not for any particular reason.
[9:48] <Eigen> how does one go about doing so
[9:48] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[9:48] <gordon_drogon> playing more like.
[9:48] <gordon_drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi-io.jpg
[9:49] <Eigen> is that securely mounted?
[9:49] <Eigen> is sucks the pi has not mounting holes
[9:49] <gordon_drogon> yes.
[9:49] <Eigen> so
[9:49] <gordon_drogon> the pounting pillars have slots in them.
[9:50] <Eigen> ah
[9:50] <Eigen> how did you get one so early?
[9:50] * gordon_drogon takes a deep breath...
[9:50] <gordon_drogon> I bought it off ebay.
[9:50] <shirro> I need to do some hardware stuff with mine. I have to restock my electronics stuff though.
[9:50] <Eigen> oh
[9:50] <Eigen> those are soo expensive
[9:50] <shirro> gordon_drogon: were you doing the basic?
[9:50] <Eigen> like 300$
[9:50] <gordon_drogon> yes they are.
[9:51] <gordon_drogon> Yes, I'm the BASIC man :)
[9:51] <Eigen> why didn't you just get a beagleboard
[9:51] <gordon_drogon> I wanted a Pi.
[9:51] <plugwash> Eigen, a few have gone that high but i've seen some sell for less than ??100
[9:51] <Eigen> only 124$
[9:51] <shirro> gordon_drogon: so is that a compiler or interpretor?
[9:51] <gordon_drogon> I paid ?105 for mine.
[9:51] <Eigen> yea
[9:51] <Eigen> but beagleboards are cheaper
[9:51] <Eigen> and better
[9:51] <Eigen> for the moment
[9:51] <gordon_drogon> it's an interperter, however the entry parser tokeninses it into a fairly compact 16-bit representation.
[9:51] <shirro> Eigen: not better at everything
[9:51] <Eigen> meh
[9:52] <Eigen> or an fpga
[9:52] <Eigen> or a Allwinner a10
[9:52] <shirro> I have an imx53 which is better than a beagle and there are some things a Pi can do better
[9:52] <Eigen> (those aren't available yet though)
[9:52] <gordon_drogon> but they're not Pi's
[9:52] <Eigen> but
[9:52] <Eigen> they're not pihyped
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[9:52] <gordon_drogon> The one I odered will be here in 2 weeks time now. (week start 21st May)
[9:53] <Eigen> meh
[9:54] <Eigen> I'm waiting out
[9:54] <Eigen> until the hype has died off
[9:54] <gordon_drogon> shirro, if you want to play with basic, it's currently on http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/
[9:55] <gordon_drogon> theres an arm binary and some examples.
[9:55] <Eigen> gordon_drogon: you should use node.js
[9:55] <gordon_drogon> as well as linux x86 binary.
[9:55] <Eigen> with the gpio pins
[9:55] <gordon_drogon> whats node.js ?
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[9:55] <shirro> I don't really like basic but I am always interested in language implementations of any sort
[9:55] * gordon_drogon nods.
[9:56] <shirro> node.js is v8 javascript and an async io library
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[9:56] <gordon_drogon> ah. I don't do javascript. no need for it.
[9:56] <Eigen> oh
[9:56] <Eigen> well you can use coffeescript and then compile it
[9:56] <gordon_drogon> everything I do is in C or php. (or assembler if I must)
[9:56] <shirro> lots of callbacks. and I mean LOTS. I quite like javacript. It is like a brain damaged lua or scheme
[9:57] <gordon_drogon> brb gotta check the kitchen. I put some stuff in the oven to cook for breakfast.
[9:57] <jzu> a friend of mine used to say Javascript was an acceptable Lisp
[9:57] <shirro> yummmm. Scottish breakfasts.
[9:58] <Eigen> C has no OOP though
[9:58] <Eigen> and php well
[9:58] <Eigen> is hackish
[9:58] <jzu> "a fractal of bad design" :-)
[9:58] <shirro> it isn't the lack of oop that is annoying. it is the lack of closures.
[9:59] <gordon_drogon> sausages, roasting slowly. soon :)
[9:59] <gordon_drogon> I don't do OOP.
[9:59] <Eigen> oh
[9:59] <Eigen> do you do AOP?
[9:59] <Eigen> with aspectC?
[9:59] <gordon_drogon> I'm just old & stuck in my ways. been coding in C for 30 years now.
[9:59] <Eigen> woah
[9:59] <Eigen> thats like older than me
[10:00] <gordon_drogon> heh
[10:00] <shirro> c is a beautiful language. I never appreciated it until recently
[10:00] <Eigen> true
[10:00] <Eigen> but
[10:00] <Eigen> I like to factor my code
[10:00] <gordon_drogon> I did spend a year coding c++ but I didn't enjoy it. (working for a games company - hard work!)
[10:00] <shirro> I just wish it had grown to include some go-like stuff
[10:01] <gordon_drogon> I treat php as a sloppy/interpreted C.
[10:01] <gordon_drogon> my basic is written in C.
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[10:02] <Eigen> D looks cool
[10:02] <Eigen> although I have only glanced at it
[10:02] <gordon_drogon> however now I must finish cooking breakfast and eat :)
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[10:10] <Etac_Sufbo> Gordon you said "I have to restock my
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[10:15] <Etac_Sufbo> electronics stuff though", I live in HK anGordon, you said you need electronics stuff, what sort of things? I wander around the HK and Shanghai markets quite a bit and often there are the sort of devices Pi people talk of buying at much lower prices... I wonder if I can spot things for people if I know what they want?
[10:15] <Eigen> um
[10:15] <Eigen> allwinner a10
[10:16] <Eigen> find tom cubie lol
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[10:22] <Eigen> ...
[10:22] <Eigen> no
[10:22] <Eigen> haven't heard of tom cubie?
[10:22] <shirro> It was me not Gortdon. I just threw out solderless breadboards and components in a move a few years back. I don't think it is worth a trip to HK. thanks though :-)
[10:22] <Eigen> shirro: really?
[10:23] <Eigen> don't throw stuff out
[10:23] <Eigen> send it to me
[10:23] <shirro> I was being all zen. And I wasn't interested in electronics anymore (this was before arduinos)
[10:23] <Eigen> so
[10:23] <Eigen> you had AVRs
[10:23] <Eigen> just as good
[10:23] <Eigen> or PICs
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[10:31] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial/
[10:31] <Cheery> a new part in the tutorial
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[10:39] <aditsu> Etac_Sufbo: hi fellow honkie :)
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[10:40] <Cheery> now if I had still some juice to build a game on that thing I just did. ^^
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[10:52] <friggle> shirro: the current pi kernel is using the synopsys dwc_otg driver because that's what Broadcom have support for. If Samsung s3c-hsotg became a viable option I think we'd change in an instant :)
[10:52] <friggle> shirro: I believe s3c-hsotg is device only at the moment though. Greg KH said he was going to take a look
[10:55] <shirro> friggle: cool. I have the latest kernel and I am using SD instead of usb for root at the moment and not pushing anything too hard. lots else to play with.
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[11:14] <bootc> \0/ I have the the compressed kernel booting with status output ('Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.') and early printk working
[11:15] <bootc> should be handy for kernel hackers to see where boot is failing if it happens before the proper serial console is up
[11:15] <bootc> instead of having to faff with the stupid LED
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[12:25] <shirro> gordon_drogon: how were the snags?
[12:25] <gordon_drogon> snags... sausages?
[12:26] <gordon_drogon> if so, then they were prefectly roasted ;-)
[12:26] <shirro> so roasting sausages. this is new to me. I usually put them on a bbq
[12:26] <gordon_drogon> along with crisp bacon, sunny side up eggs and some mushrooms done in a cream/herby mix.
[12:27] <gordon_drogon> similar effect - I just put them in the top of the oven for half an our.
[12:27] <shirro> damn that sounds good. I need to move to Scotland
[12:27] <gordon_drogon> the home made sourdough bread toasted with clotted cream and honey was good too..
[12:27] <gordon_drogon> heh
[12:27] <gordon_drogon> I'm Scottish, but live in England.
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[12:29] <gordon_drogon> cooking sausages in a pan is OK, but you need to look at them all the time, else you end up with burnt lines and raw bits!
[12:29] <gordon_drogon> you can get away on the barby as long as you turn them frequently.
[12:30] <shirro> the only time I have ever had sausages from an over is toad in the hole and I haven't had that since I was a kid
[12:30] <shirro> my dad was a pom
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[12:31] <gordon_drogon> ah toad in the hole. not had that since I was a kid too!
[12:31] <bootc> omg toad in the hole... *drool*
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[12:41] <gartenzwerg> nice tutorial, Cheery. You could port my Lua Player Snake to PyGame, if you like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTPb-bgt3k
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[12:41] <gartenzwerg> is it possible to play Amiga MOD files and WAV files with PyGame?
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[13:15] <xranby> can someone update the download page to use http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/download.php?file=/images/archlinuxarm/archlinuxarm-29-04-2012/archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.zip for arch ?
[13:15] <xranby> its currently pointting to 19-04-2012
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[13:17] <ZeroDegrees> Does anyone here know the release date for the Raspberry Pi?
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[13:18] <xranby> ZeroDegrees: its released
[13:19] <shirro> Do you mean education release or the one that has already happened?
[13:19] <xranby> 29 February 2012
[13:19] <ZeroDegrees> education release
[13:20] <shirro> no idea. wouldn't be surprised if it was delayed. then again they have got the testing done early so who knows
[13:22] <plugwash> IIRC they were talking about making an education release this summer but they have gone queit on it recently.
[13:22] <shirro> plugwash: loving raspbian btw
[13:23] <plugwash> My guess is that they may try to do some pilot educational deployments next academic year but it will be at least the academic year after next before we see any large scale educational deployment
[13:24] <ZeroDegrees> Even at the price they are selling it for schools probably still won't buy it
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[13:24] <gartenzwerg> nice, I can now play old C64 games with it, with sound: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pcb-board-and-layout
[13:25] <plugwash> shirro, have you tried xorg yet?
[13:25] <esotera_> my local school is offering them on an individual basis for interested students, rather than mass buying, so maybe that'll happen in most places
[13:25] <shirro> plugwash: I just compiled glamor and have it loaded into X and am trying to work out what it does
[13:26] <ZeroDegrees> estotera_:when I spoke to my Teachers at school about it they said it was too expensive to buy enough
[13:26] <Hexxeh> shirro: apparently it's of no use to us
[13:26] <ZeroDegrees> Cheapskates
[13:26] <shirro> cool. well I guess I am finding that out first hand :-)
[13:26] <plugwash> shirro, are you using the xorg packages from raspbian or did you build your own xorg?
[13:26] <shirro> using raspbian
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[13:27] <plugwash> to ask the question more directly have you tested running the xorg packages from raspbian with the fbdev driver on a Pi and if so did they work?
[13:27] <plugwash> (I can't see any reason why they wouldn't but i'd like to know for sure)
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[13:28] <shirro> All I have is a black screen with gtkperf or an xterm running. but that much works yes.
[13:29] <shirro> plugwash: I was pleasantly surprised that all my build-deps were satisfied. nice job
[13:30] <xranby> shirro: that sounds really nice.. i assume its using the broadcom opengl es api
[13:30] <Hexxeh> plugwash: X11 packages are built now? awesome
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[13:30] <shirro> nope I am just using fbdev. I have glamor compiled and linked to egl and glesv2 but it doesn't do anything. it would need a fair bit of modification I think
[13:31] <Hexxeh> shirro: it's not a compile it and it works solution
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[13:31] <Hexxeh> i'll see if i can dig up what i was told about it
[13:31] <shirro> No. It is written by the intel people and despite the cross platform gles stuff it looks to be tied to things like drm
[13:32] <shirro> I am not sure it couldn't be used as a basis for something though
[13:32] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/6t9FtFa9
[13:32] <Hexxeh> have a read of that
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[13:33] <shirro> I was hoping I could go in there and bcm_init, add an element to dispmanx and then create a window surface just like other stuff on the pi. but it doesn't work like that. it uses eglCreateImageKHR and I am a bit lost
[13:34] <plugwash> Hexxeh, well xorg should be installable
[13:34] <plugwash> not sure if any window managers are in yet though
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[13:35] <plugwash> actually iirc lxde-core is installable at least in the private repo (not sure how far behind the public repo is), the full lxde metapackage is waiting on a couple of things
[13:35] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/first-impressions-slow-scary-unfriendly/ <-- oh hey, the angry disappointed people finally have appeared :D
[13:36] <Hexxeh> was only a matter of time
[13:36] <shirro> he is a journo troll. he made some valid points but he did it all wrong
[13:36] <zgreg> shirro: trying to use glamor? I don't know if that is a good base, it's heavily tailored for intel GPUs and even runs pretty bad on those
[13:36] <BenO> Hexxeh, zgreg - took longer than I expected tbh
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[13:38] <shirro> zgreg: just taking a look really. it compiles ok for EGL and GLES on the Pi. It just won't do anything. I am just trying to get my head around what it is supposed to do.
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[13:39] <gartenzwerg> plugwash: lxde is preinstalled in the 19-04 debian image, works nice, but a bit slow of course
[13:40] <gordon_drogon> am I hearing that X is going on raspbian now?
[13:40] <zgreg> shirro: it won't do anything because it requires some proprietary egl/gles extensions
[13:40] <plugwash> gartenzwerg, we were talking about raspbian
[13:41] <shirro> zgreg: yeah, I am just trying to work out why all that stuff is necessary and why it is there.
[13:41] <gartenzwerg> oh, ok, looks like an interesting project
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[13:42] <Hexxeh> zgreg: had any indication of when your Pi will arrive yet?
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[13:45] <gordon_drogon> libsdl1.2-dev : Depends: libsdl1.2debian (= 1.2.15-3) but it is not going to be installed
[13:45] <gordon_drogon> ah well, maybe tomorow :)
[13:46] <gartenzwerg> how much faster is VFPv2 than software floating point? does it include trigonometric functions?
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[13:47] <shirro> it is a lot faster. it is actually faster than vfpv3 on a cortex a8
[13:47] <gartenzwerg> nice
[13:48] <shirro> zgreg is about to correct me on something though
[13:48] <zgreg> hehe
[13:48] <gordon_drogon> with the standard release, compiling code for the hardware fp, I tested an application going from 35.7 secs to 31.4 secs
[13:48] <shirro> he will say you should be using neon on an a8 or something right?
[13:48] <gordon_drogon> however it's a very mixed operation application.
[13:48] <zgreg> cortex-a8 only features the "lite" VFP unit, which is not pipelined
[13:48] <gordon_drogon> the speed up will be more with the raspbian distro or it it have more pure FP in it.
[13:48] <zgreg> but if you use NEON you get similar or better speeds than VFP
[13:49] <gordon_drogon> ie. it's not a good benchmark, but encouraging none the less.
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[13:49] <shirro> so basically all those people saying you should get a beagle because its better - challenge them to a povray match :-) - probably the only thing the Pi will do better though
[13:49] <zgreg> unfortunately NEON is not capable of double precision, so ARM11 doe have an edge if you use that
[13:50] <zgreg> shirro: yeah, but raytracing is hardly what you use these CPUs for
[13:50] <zgreg> up to including cortex-a8, ARM was mostly about integer ALU performance
[13:50] <gartenzwerg> but Povray would be a good floating point benchmark. speeding up from 35.7 to 31.4 doesn't sound impressive, a factor of 10 would be nice :-)
[13:50] <shirro> gordon_drogon: that is just api difference. the diff between fp emulation and the real thing is much bigger
[13:50] <zgreg> the first ARM CPU with acceptable FPU performance is the cortex-a9, really
[13:51] * plugwash can't see himself buying a beagleboard at this stage when you can get far better hardware for only slightly more
[13:51] <gartenzwerg> is it possible to use OpenCL for using the GPU for faster calculations?
[13:51] <zgreg> gartenzwerg: no
[13:51] <shirro> gartenzwerg: would be way more than 10. It is over 3x improvement from soffloat to hardfloat abi I think. would be much more over software fp
[13:51] <zgreg> Hexxeh: my pi is supposed to arrive in two weeks
[13:51] <Hexxeh> zgreg: nice
[13:52] <BenO> gartenzwerg, povray difference is far more marked - 3x speed up wouldn't be overestimating it at all
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[13:52] <gordon_drogon> hmm shirro I though compiling with the -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s on the standard release did hardware FP ?
[13:52] <gordon_drogon> but with the soft API.
[13:52] <shirro> gartenzwerg: but that is hammering the thing with fp in povray. nothing else does that
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[13:53] <zgreg> yeah, usually even float-intensive loads have some ALU components
[13:53] <shirro> gordon_drogon: yes. we are not talking about the ABI, but emulating floating point with integer instructions like they do on ARM cpus without a vfp
[13:53] <zgreg> and the ALU on later cores (a8/a9) is massively faster compared to the ARM11
[13:53] <plugwash> shirro, out of interest where did you hear about the imx53 quickstart board?
[13:54] <plugwash> was it from my forum posts?
[13:54] <shirro> yep
[13:54] <Hexxeh> blinking cursor when trying to boot from a ramdisk
[13:54] <Hexxeh> ugh.
[13:54] <friggle> it's one of the Linaro supported boards too
[13:54] <gordon_drogon> gartenzwerg, my app. is a BASIC interpreter - it does a huge amount of non FP stuff between each FP operation. The program Iwas testing generaltes mandelbrots.
[13:54] <zgreg> so often the fast ALU can make up for slower double-precision FP
[13:54] <friggle> http://www.linaro.org/engineering/getting-started/low-cost-development-boards/
[13:54] <gartenzwerg> shirro: right, but some games might need fast floating point calculations, and e.g. it would be nice for realtime synthesizers, realtime picture analysis etc.
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[13:54] <zgreg> gartenzwerg: signal processing is integer-based in most cases
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[13:55] <zgreg> well, at least in the typical cases
[13:55] <gordon_drogon> but simply adding -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s to the compile line makes it go faster...
[13:56] <plugwash> fp operations in softfloat are EXPENSIVE
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[13:56] <zgreg> plugwash: are you talking about software fpu emulation?
[13:57] <shirro> gordon_drogon: yes. I am sure it can produce faster code for an arm1176 than it can for the default armv4t or whatever it is
[13:57] <gordon_drogon> all numeric variables in my BASIC end up as doubles internally...
[13:57] <plugwash> fpu emulation is even worse
[13:57] <zgreg> yes, but floating point operations is not what is costly about softfp
[13:58] <zgreg> function calls that involve floating-point arguments are the issue
[13:58] <gordon_drogon> ok. so as I understand it - on the standard debian release, by default it's using the softfp abi and emulated floating point, however if I pass it -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s then it still uses the soft abi but hardware FP?
[13:58] <zgreg> I think it's an important difference, because you can often workaround this issue
[13:58] <friggle> you get to keep abi compatibility though, so the question is really in how many applications the softfp argument passing is an issue
[13:58] <plugwash> gordon_drogon, right
[13:58] <gordon_drogon> and raspbian is using the hardfp abi by default
[13:59] <gordon_drogon> ok - that's what I understood.
[13:59] <shirro> friggle: but debian has every app I will ever need :-)
[13:59] <gordon_drogon> so I get a little gain by explivitly telling it to the hardware FP and I'll get a little (lot?) more when I move to raspbian ..
[13:59] <friggle> shirro: yep, I'm amazed and impressed at the rapid progress of raspbian. Indeed, if it succcceeds in providing all debian packages and keeping them up to date that kills the abi compat argument quite well
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[14:00] <zgreg> I think hardfp is a bit overrated
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[14:00] <plugwash> gordon_drogon, afaict the benefits from moving to the hardfloat abi are small compared to the benefits from moving from software floating point to hardware floating point
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[14:00] <plugwash> exactly how small is unclear
[14:00] <zgreg> at least on devices which have a slow FPU to start with
[14:01] <gordon_drogon> well I'll soon be able to tell :)
[14:01] <zgreg> and the raspberry pi is such a device
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[14:01] <plugwash> the other advantage of raspbian is we will have rebuilt everything so all the libraries will be using hardware floating point
[14:01] <gordon_drogon> just waiting for libsdl-dev to be avalable...
[14:01] <friggle> plugwash: then why not make your life easier and just recompile all the debian packages for softfp, which is presumably *way* easier than essentially a new debian port
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[14:01] <shirro> the biggest advantage is having a distro built by Pi users with possibility of customisation and it is optimised and very resent packages
[14:02] <astom> that would be Arch right?
[14:02] <shirro> yes, arch as well.
[14:02] <friggle> and OpenEmbedded/Angstrom (DJWillis)
[14:02] <plugwash> friggle, not sure it was mpthompson who started it not me but if you are going to put the effort into recompiling everything may as well go the whole way
[14:02] <shirro> it is good to have more than one option.
[14:02] <astom> i am just happy with arch in the raspi
[14:03] <astom> its minimalism is a great approach
[14:03] <gordon_drogon> I'd look at Arch, however I'e been using Debian forever and have dozens of Debian servers out there which I look after, etc.
[14:03] <plugwash> and it's not a completely new port, it's still a compiler settings adjustment, it's just a downward adjustment rather than an upward adjustment which complicates things a bit
[14:03] <shirro> I would be happy with OE, Arch or Debian but I think Debian is potentially friendlier and more complete.
[14:03] <gordon_drogon> so I'm quite pleased that Debian is the main supported one right now.
[14:03] <astom> gordon_drogon: try it, you won't regret it
[14:03] <gordon_drogon> astom, I don't have time nor energy right now.
[14:03] <astom> ohh
[14:03] <shirro> and I have been using Debian forever
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[14:04] <friggle> by the way, if anyone wants to help with Debian please do take a look at this issue with Scratch and latest squeakvm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471927
[14:04] <gordon_drogon> probably since about 1995 for me.
[14:04] <astom> i understand...
[14:04] <friggle> I'll probably just pin the squeeze squeak-vm for now when generating a wheezy image
[14:04] <plugwash> TBH our biggest problem with raspbian is packages that just plain don't build anymore
[14:05] <astom> something great about arch is the daemon system https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Daemons
[14:05] <shirro> gordon_drogon: yes, I can't remember when I moved from slackware. It was 90s but I can't remember when
[14:05] <gordon_drogon> shirro, yea, I started with SLS (I think) then Debian with the 0.9r6 or whatever it was...
[14:07] <gordon_drogon> trying to think now - I was working in the US at the time.. bought a 486dx66 with 64MB of RAM and it just blew away the sparcStations we were using at the time.
[14:07] <shirro> Yes, I might have done SLS then Slackware then Debian I think. I stayed with Slackware too long
[14:07] <gordon_drogon> one of my colleagues had brough the SLS tape (tape!) over from the UK and I did a 5 floppy install, then the rest via NFS.
[14:07] <astom> people
[14:07] <astom> how good would be the raspi as a router?
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> pretty poor.
[14:08] <astom> really?
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> well...
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> as a little hobby project it'll be fine.
[14:08] <shirro> yeah I started with a 486dx66. I remember shopping around for a graphics card that would work with linux
[14:08] <gordon_drogon> you'll preferably need to add more Ethernet via USB though.
[14:09] <astom> or the other interface could be wireless
[14:09] <astom> and be an ap router
[14:09] <friggle> and really you'd be better off buying a cheap router that can be flashed with openwrt or whatever is cool these days
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> shirro, ah, too right! the place I bought mine from were amazed I didn't want the latest video card supported by win3.1...
[14:09] <shirro> astom: the cpu and ram will be great. the ethernet over usb not so much
[14:09] <astom> but why do you think its poor? it has much more processing power than a standar router
[14:09] <astom> ohh, i see
[14:09] <gordon_drogon> I doubt it would be able to route at 100Mb just because of the bus design.
[14:10] <friggle> and it's not like the usb stack is rock solid :)
[14:10] <astom> understand... how good is the ethernet port?
[14:10] <friggle> astom: define 'good'?
[14:10] <gordon_drogon> it's not good in bi-directional tests ...
[14:10] <astom> can you reach 100 mbps?
[14:10] <gordon_drogon> I've been able to sustain 95Mb/sec over it. One way only.
[14:11] <zgreg> you should be able to, unless you have lots of small packets
[14:11] <astom> great
[14:11] <gordon_drogon> I've done some iperf tests on it.
[14:11] <hamitron> something is good while it does what you need
[14:11] <astom> exactly
[14:11] <zgreg> but performance will falter as soon as you attach any more devices over USB, at least that's my expectation
[14:11] <astom> i want to connect a usb fingerprint reader to it
[14:11] <zgreg> I don't have my pi yet
[14:11] <astom> me neither...
[14:12] <gartenzwerg> which kernel source should I use as a base when I want to develop my I2C driver? cloning this one: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ?
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[14:12] <friggle> gartenzwerg: that is the official one
[14:12] <zgreg> many people want to use the pi as a cheap NAS, and performance is going suck with that :p
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[14:13] <zgreg> both HDD and ethernet will fight for bandwidth
[14:13] <gordon_drogon> a lot of folks I've chatted to are more interested in using it as a cheap set-top box..
[14:13] <plugwash> zgreg, agreed many people have got caught up in the pi hype without understanding what it is and what it is good/bad at
[14:13] <gartenzwerg> friggle: thanks
[14:13] <astom> i want to use it as a NAS
[14:13] <zgreg> gordon_drogon: yeah, and I can't understand that either
[14:13] <astom> it can't be worse than my old computer
[14:14] <zgreg> video codec support is bad
[14:14] <hamitron> ethernet performance should be fine if everything is stored in the RAM?
[14:14] <astom> it will be wireless anyway
[14:14] <ZeroDegrees> I was going to try and write an OS or something for my pi but I hear the chips are quite buggy
[14:14] <gordon_drogon> zgreg, no? I think it'll be fine for that.
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[14:14] <friggle> h264 and mpeg4 covers most media I care about
[14:14] <gordon_drogon> ZeroDegrees, well Linux seems to work ok on these buggy chips..
[14:15] <zgreg> gordon_drogon: only H.264 and MPEG 4 ASP are supported, and other popular codecs such as MPEG-2 are not
[14:15] <astom> you mean, the broadcom chip is buggy?
[14:15] <hamitron> ZeroDegrees, minix style?
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> zgreg, transcode everythign into h264 then ;-)
[14:15] <zgreg> gordon_drogon: well, that's pretty sucky
[14:15] <astom> wp8 would be great
[14:15] <ZeroDegrees> gordon_drogon:not buggy to run buggy at first for a developer writing the OS it can be overcome
[14:15] <gordon_drogon> it may be - it's not an area I'm interested in.
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> so I don't really know the ins & outs of it all.
[14:16] <zgreg> the more obvious problem is that while video playback works fine, the XBMC UI is rather slow
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[14:16] <gordon_drogon> ZeroDegrees, the linux source is there - use it as a template for all the device drivers...
[14:16] <zgreg> so the user experience for HTPC-like usage isn't that great
[14:16] <astom> playing using mplayer woudl be much better than xbmc
[14:16] <zgreg> astom: no
[14:16] <gordon_drogon> I don't do 'set top box' type stuff. I'm not a great media/film watcher/listner...
[14:17] <friggle> zgreg: slow xbmc ui isn't an unsurmountable problem though
[14:17] <ZeroDegrees> gordon_drogon: I will probably do that will I am waiting for my pi
[14:17] <gordon_drogon> the most I have is a freesat box!
[14:17] <astom> but it consumes video processing power
[14:17] <astom> the raspi with mpd and a big hard drive would be awesome as a remote music player
[14:18] <zgreg> friggle: no, but XBMC is what's going to be available in the near future
[14:18] <gordon_drogon> for music yes... if the audio is going out over the HDMI..
[14:18] <astom> gordon_drogon: why? the driver still dont work?
[14:18] <ZeroDegrees> It would be good to attach a HDD via USB and use it as a Home media centre, watch movies,listen to music ...
[14:19] <mervaka> *sigh*.. is the rpi for most users just gonna be some bloody xmbc host? what a waste.
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[14:19] <gordon_drogon> I understand it works via the 3.5 jack, but quality is somewhat lacking for "hi fi".
[14:19] <astom> mervaka: no, im gonna use it as a dns, ftp and ssh server
[14:19] <gordon_drogon> I use mine for fun. I have other Linux boxes to do that...
[14:19] <zgreg> the analog audio output is basically a hack, and does not use a proper DAC
[14:20] <zgreg> the quality is not exactly the best :)
[14:20] <gordon_drogon> zgreg, it's PWM ...
[14:20] <zgreg> yeah, I know
[14:20] <ZeroDegrees> I will use it as a test box for OS's for ARM
[14:20] <LWK_mac> i am wokring with the GPIO's on my R-Pi http://lwk.mjhosting.co.uk/?p=343
[14:20] <astom> zgreg: so its not worth to lay flac files there?
[14:20] <gordon_drogon> it's probably good enough for most folks and game sounds, etc.
[14:20] <zgreg> astom: unless you use HDMI audio, probably no
[14:21] <ZeroDegrees> Quake 3 on the PI the sound works well enough for that
[14:21] <zgreg> people need to realize that the pi is a machine of compromises
[14:21] <astom> zgreg: oh, i wanted to connect it directly to an amplifier
[14:21] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, http://lwk.mjhosting.co.uk/?p=343
[14:21] <gordon_drogon> doh
[14:21] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi-io.jpg
[14:21] <zgreg> audio output is quite a hack, power efficiency is bad, etc.
[14:21] <zgreg> all in the name of getting the price down
[14:22] <mervaka> er
[14:22] <IT_Sean> if power consumpution is an issue for you, disable the sound
[14:22] <mervaka> actually, it's very power efficient with the right setup.
[14:22] <ZeroDegrees> though for 22 pounds it is a bit of a bargain
[14:22] <ZeroDegrees> A great hacking box if you ask me
[14:22] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, I think it would be good if someone produced a Python library that worked like this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[14:22] <zgreg> mervaka: it's much worse than it could be
[14:22] <friggle> if power consumption is an issue for you, get rid of the linear voltage regulator
[14:23] <mervaka> class D amplifiers are >90% efficient, and use the same principle.
[14:23] <mervaka> friggle: lol
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[14:23] <zgreg> friggle: well, easier said than done :)
[14:23] <gordon_drogon> I've not actually tried o play any sound on mine yet.... will put it on my to-do list for this week.
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[14:24] <Hexxeh> if power consumption is an issue, power it via the GPIO pins with your own efficient power supply and bypass the vregs anyway?
[14:24] <Hexxeh> ZeroDegrees: bootloader?
[14:24] <zgreg> but really, compared to development boards with switching regulation, the pi is a downright power hog :D
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[14:24] <friggle> if anyone knows any ALSA hackers (or themselves knows some ALSA) I know Dom was appreciate you having a look at the snd-bcm2835 driver. BenO has dobeen very helpful with that already
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[14:25] <ZeroDegrees> Hexxeh: To load the kernel
[14:25] <Hexxeh> ZeroDegrees: i'm working on something similar at the moment
[14:25] <Hexxeh> ZeroDegrees: what approach are you taking?
[14:25] <ZeroDegrees> Hexxeh: well I am not too sure myself what about you
[14:25] <Hexxeh> initramfs and kexec magic
[14:25] <astom> Hexxeh: are you still working with chromium os on the raspi?
[14:25] <Hexxeh> poor man's bootloader
[14:26] <Hexxeh> astom: on hold pending accelerated X
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[14:26] <Hexxeh> actually the bootloader stuff i'm doing is for chromium os technically
[14:26] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon sure that would make is nice an easy for the arduino users but the RPi.GPIO interface is not that diffrent or hard to follow
[14:26] <astom> Hexxeh: great....
[14:26] <BenO> friggle, wish I knew ALSA myself ;)
[14:27] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, there are thousands and thousands of Arduino users out there..
[14:27] <Hexxeh> friggle: can you ask Dom to publish the files for the emergency ramdisk? CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="../target_fs"
[14:28] <friggle> Hexxeh: presumably you can extract them from the kernel? but sure
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[14:28] <Hexxeh> friggle: derp. why didn't i think of that. still, it'd be handy if they were in the repo since they're pointed to by a config in there.
[14:28] <bjorn`> Regarding ALSA (since we're on the subject): How hard would it be to proxy an alsa stream and alter it before sending it to the audio output?
[14:29] <bjorn`> I'm reading up on fast fourier transform alghorithms and I want to experiment with my output a little
[14:29] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, you can use the internal pull-downs (or ups) in the BCM to save the resistors on the switches on your proto board.
[14:30] <BenO> bjorn`, within alsa, you can fiddle with it using asoundrc and the like
[14:30] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon very true but there not the only users out there, and it may be in a few years that people are asking for an RPi.GPIO style interface for ardunio, for users going from pi to arduino, who know's
[14:30] <bjorn`> Interesting, so I can configure alsa to dump my stream to for example a fifo socket and take what is returned and play it?
[14:30] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon yes im well aware of the pull-ups but wanted to keep it simple for now
[14:31] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, ok.
[14:31] <jzu> or, you could use mplayer with a ladspa plugin
[14:32] <bjorn`> interesting
[14:32] <jzu> mplayer -af ladspa=/usr/lib/ladspa/[plugin].so:[label]:arg1:arg2:arg3
[14:32] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon the RPi.GPIO doenst have pull up functions yet either, im sure some one will add them soon
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[14:33] <zgreg> yes, I was surprised the GPIO interface is that restricted
[14:33] <zgreg> no pullups, no tristate, etc.
[14:33] <zgreg> it's useless for many applications in this state
[14:33] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, oh - is that not your code? thought it was...
[14:33] <gordon_drogon> huh? it has pullups and pull downs.
[14:33] <gordon_drogon> well, the hardware has.
[14:33] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon nope the Python libary is not mine
[14:34] <gordon_drogon> put a port into input mode with no pull up/down and it's effectively tristate.
[14:34] <zgreg> I'm sure the hardware has pullups, but the feature is not exposed in the python lib
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[14:34] <gordon_drogon> my wiring stuff is in C..
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[14:36] <gordon_drogon> I think the whole mapping of gpio pins to conector to BCM is just confusing - one reason I write my own wiring library.
[14:36] <LWK_mac> the python lib is just a wrapper for sysfs interface, and as for pull up/down i think most of the pins default to pull down anyway, so i could have ditched the risitors with having to config anything
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[14:36] <gordon_drogon> you can also cheat and use the I2C pins - they have on-board 1k8 pullups :)
[14:37] <gordon_drogon> that's what I use for handy switch inputs...
[14:37] <bjorn`> Any news on using the I2S outputs on the chip? I saw a forum post on it but heard no more after that
[14:38] <bjorn`> It was theorized that it might be possible to bring back i2s with some soldering
[14:38] <gordon_drogon> it's possible to extract them from the board, but you need to unsolder the 4 board ID resistors and hook into it that way.
[14:38] <gordon_drogon> however then there's the software side of it all...
[14:38] <bjorn`> That's true
[14:39] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon yes the mappings of pin names and numbers is confusing, but your wirringpi libary is yet a diffrent number system ontop :/
[14:39] <zgreg> it would be great to have the equivalent of a pin change interrupt, too
[14:39] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, yes, but it starts from zero :)
[14:39] <bjorn`> Thing is, the later revisions of the MiniDSPs have i2s input, and it would be very nice not to have to go through the ADC/DAC or USB/SPDIF step
[14:39] <gordon_drogon> the chip supports level based interrupts - just write the driver and off you go ;-)
[14:40] <zgreg> well, sure, that's pretty much a standard feature, but the question of course is how to expose this to userspace
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[14:42] <gordon_drogon> zgreg, the eternal problem... however I'd be temted to suggest to people that this level of usage is really not what it's for - and to point them to something like arduino for that sort of thing where you have more control over interrupts and so on.
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[14:46] <gordon_drogon> arduino & pi talking together :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[14:47] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon yes but there all over the place, at least arduino's number are around the pins in order, same as how RPi.GPIO uses the physical pin numbers
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[14:48] <mervaka> for this level of usage, why not something like this: http://www.ti.com/product/pcm2902c
[14:48] <gordon_drogon> arduino has a mapping from the physical pins to the chip pins (& ports) they had the luxury of a simpler PCB layout too...
[14:48] <zgreg> gordon_drogon, yes, I agree
[14:48] <zgreg> gordon_drogon: I tell the same to people that ask for a realtime kernel
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[14:49] <gordon_drogon> my suspicion is that they were running out of time or effort to make the GPIO connector in the Pi "sensible"
[14:49] <zgreg> arduino or any other small MCU is much more suitable, and can also be used in conjunction with the pi
[14:49] <gordon_drogon> yup.
[14:49] <gordon_drogon> I fear that many people will try to do stuff with the GPIO on the Pi and just not understand the whole multi-tasking nature of Linux.
[14:49] <LWK_mac> yeah the foundations orignal nameing was a mess, like the odd gap in the arduino pin heards, just something we are going to have to live with :)
[14:51] <Hexxeh> well uh, this is difficult. how'd you extract a cpio archive from the kernel image? i can't search for the gzip header, because it's not compressed
[14:51] <Hexxeh> searching for the cpio magic shows instances in the kernel where cpio magic is checked
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[14:52] <gordon_drogon> ah, so finding the "real" header is somewaht problematic...
[14:52] <gordon_drogon> might it be as simple as the very last one in the image?
[14:53] <LWK_mac> gordon_drogon i was testing XRF and URF wireless modules the other day http://pic.twitter.com/xeCVIuEm
[14:53] <Hexxeh> gordon_drogon: worth a shot
[14:54] <Hexxeh> no dice, i got a 189kb chunk doing that
[14:54] <gordon_drogon> LWK_mac, do they work OK? I was looking at their modules for a project I was working on last year, but didn't reckon the 838MHz ones had the distance I was after..
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[14:56] <LWK_mac> yeah they work a treat with the Pi, just plug and go. as for range http://openmicros.org/index.php/component/kunena/7-communications-and-protocols/60-achieving-34km-with-default-xrf-antennas?Itemid=0
[14:57] <mervaka> isnt the 800MHz band about to get hosed by JMFG?
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[14:57] <LWK_mac> but it seems the newer 1.5 hardware might not reach such huge range as there issues getting 1.2k date rate working as nicely
[14:57] <gordon_drogon> I've worked with radio/wireless comms for too long to trust online reviews!!!
[14:59] <gordon_drogon> I thought 838 was going to be kept open for ISM type stuff? (in the UK)
[15:00] <LWK_mac> i suspect it would have to be what with all the 868 products out there all ready
[15:01] <mervaka> from what i remember, it's all still in the air
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[15:03] <gordon_drogon> 868 doh, not 838.
[15:03] <gordon_drogon> I needed a faster data rate for my app. anyway. sadly it never got much funding so I wasn't able to progress it.
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[15:05] <gordon_drogon> right. other stuff to do for a while. laters
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[15:07] <mervaka> gordon_drogon: you're right
[15:07] <mervaka> The de-regulated licence-free spectrum (863-865MHz) remains untouched by DSO. If you are
[15:07] <mervaka> currently operating in this area of spectrum, you are free to carry on using it now and beyond
[15:07] <mervaka> the 2012 DSO.
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[15:09] <mervaka> http://www.shure.co.uk/dms/shure/support_downloads/frequencies/pdf_guides/Shure-Wireless-Freq-Guide---Nov-2011/Shure%20Wireless%20Freq%20Guide%20-%20Nov%202011.pdf
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[15:10] <Hexxeh> wow, that's pretty awesome, like 10 minutes after i've filed an issue for the ramdisk files, dom's added a repo soon to contain the files: https://github.com/raspberrypi/target_fs
[15:12] <tzarc> lol nice
[15:13] <tzarc> (hi everyone, btw)
[15:13] <mervaka> sup
[15:13] <Hexxeh> i think there might be some nice applications that would fit in a ramdisk
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[15:13] <tzarc> *nod*
[15:13] <tzarc> like busybox
[15:13] <tzarc> lol
[15:13] <Hexxeh> if you're treating SD cards like cartridges, that just boot to an application with linux hiding underneath
[15:13] <friggle> Hexxeh: pretty sure openelc runs entirely from a ramdisk
[15:13] <friggle> *openelec
[15:14] <Hexxeh> you can make a tiny SD card image rather than dragging around a full distro, which even if minimalised would still be MUCH bigger
[15:14] <tzarc> mm, let's see how big my minimal raspbian is
[15:15] <Hexxeh> smallest i got raspbian to was about 70MB
[15:15] <Hexxeh> compressed
[15:15] <tzarc> nah
[15:15] <tzarc> 23 for me
[15:15] <Hexxeh> oh wow, nice
[15:15] <tzarc> 97MB uncompressed
[15:15] <Hexxeh> that's pretty good
[15:15] <tzarc> did you do a --variant=minbase
[15:15] <tzarc> 'cause that brought it down a heap
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[15:15] <tzarc> (assuming you used debootstrap)
[15:16] <tzarc> I *did* compress with xz though :P
[15:16] <Hexxeh> yeah, but now that i think about it, i probably forgot to zero out the rest of the FS so it won't have compressed well
[15:16] <Hexxeh> i remembered to do that on subsequent images
[15:16] <tzarc> this isn't the FS, just a tarball of the files
[15:16] <shirro> yeah, i did a --variant=minbase because the normal debootstrap had errors
[15:16] <shirro> and I prefer it anyway
[15:16] <tzarc> minbase still had errors, had to jump in and manually configure libstdc++6
[15:16] <tzarc> after that, plain sailing
[15:18] <tzarc> currently cleaning up my scripts directory
[15:18] <tzarc> ugh
[15:18] <tzarc> never realised how many I'd written over the years :S
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[15:21] <Matt> mine are floating round all over the place
[15:21] <tzarc> that was my problem :)
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[15:46] <ZeroDegrees> Does anyone Know the makimum amount of space the Pi can get from a SD card?
[15:47] <ReggieUK> ?
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[15:47] <ReggieUK> max space is dependent on the size of the card
[15:47] <ZeroDegrees> does it support past 32gb sized cards
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[15:48] <gartenzwerg> the Verified Peripherals list, lists a SanDisk as "working" with 32 GB: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_SD_Cards
[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> What size do they go up to anyway?
[15:49] <friggle> tzarc: think that's a debian bug, I get it debootstrapping an armel wheezy
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[15:50] <tzarc> *nod*
[15:50] <tzarc> fairly simple fix so I guess nobody really looks at it
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[15:51] <friggle> or everyone, like me, thinks "oh that's a pain, someone should really file a bug on that. guess I will if I get the time to look in to it properly..."
[15:52] <gartenzwerg> ReggieUK: I don't know if there is a firmware limit, but it has problems with SanDisk ultra (I have one which doesn't work) and other class 10 cards, so maybe not, if the 64 GB SD cards are class 10 cards
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[15:53] <ReggieUK> it wasn't me that asked :)
[15:53] <ReggieUK> as such
[15:53] <aditsu_with_pi> hi :)
[15:53] <gartenzwerg> ZeroDegrees, see above :-)
[15:53] <ReggieUK> hi aditsu_with_pi
[15:53] <aditsu_with_pi> so happy
[15:54] <ZeroDegrees> gartenzwerg:Yes I did Thanks!!
[15:55] <tehtrb> aditsu_with_pi whats the first thing u gonna do / u did with it ?
[15:55] <gartenzwerg> ok, so I forked the Linux GIT repository, looks like there two branches, master and rpi-patches. do I need to do something special to work on one branch? (confusing for a longtime SVN user :-)
[15:57] <aditsu_with_pi> tehtrb: taking photos of it (and packaging) at the moment :D
[15:57] <tehtrb> lol
[15:57] <aditsu_with_pi> tehtrb: as for actual uses.. not sure yet, mainly software development, I think I'd also like to put the GPIO pins to some kind of use
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[15:58] <Hexxeh> gah. still got a blinking cursor when loading the initrd.
[15:58] <aditsu_with_pi> one use cases is distributed programming (I plan to get some more pis later)
[15:59] <bootc> gartenzwerg: 'git checkout rpi-patches'
[15:59] <bootc> should be the default if you cloned the repo from github
[15:59] <bootc> 'git branch' will tell you your current branch
[15:59] <aditsu_with_pi> use case*
[16:00] <gartenzwerg> thanks, yes, looks like I'm on the right branch
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[16:02] <Hexxeh> can somebody with a pi in hand try buiilding the bcmrpi_emergency_defconfig and see if you get it to boot? i'm not having any luck at all, blinking cursor
[16:03] <ReggieUK> ouch
[16:04] <bootc> Hexxeh: did you manage to extract the initrd?
[16:04] <Hexxeh> bootc: dom published the files to a new github repo
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[16:04] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/raspberrypi/target_fs
[16:05] <bootc> ahh cool
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[16:15] <bootc> Hexxeh: you're not trying to boot the zImage are you?
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[16:15] <Hexxeh> nah, Image
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[16:16] <bootc> OK, 'cos I just fixed some bugs relating to the zImage and early printk in my tree
[16:16] <Hexxeh> i never had any luck with a zImage
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[16:16] <Hexxeh> presumed you just had to use the uncompressed Image version
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[16:42] <gnif> anyone here seen a Pi that kills sd cards? I have one
[16:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
[16:43] <aditsu_with_pi> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/155408_10150743837898021_548488020_9430414_1117059999_n.jpg
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[16:43] <IT_Sean> does it kill them terminally, or just erase them?
[16:43] <gnif> terminally
[16:43] <IT_Sean> O_O
[16:43] <gnif> desktop cant even see the card
[16:43] <IT_Sean> check for unusual / stray voltage @ the slot
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[16:43] <aditsu_with_pi> vagina dentata?
[16:43] <gnif> yeah, 3.3v on 4 & 5 as expected
[16:44] <gnif> 2.5ish on 6
[16:44] <gnif> id assume thats due to clock
[16:44] <gnif> havnt broken out my CRO yet to inspect it
[16:44] <IT_Sean> I dunno what is supposed to be there... you would have to check the spec, or ask another person with a pi for a baseline
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[16:47] <gnif> hrmm, i see clocking for a few seconds, then it just sits high at 2.8v
[16:47] <aditsu_with_pi> so the main distros available now are arch and debian?
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[16:51] <aditsu_with_pi> I think I'll try arch
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[16:54] <krl> hello
[16:54] <IT_Sean> hello
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[16:56] <gnif> any suggestions for singals to look for on this thing?
[16:56] <gnif> *signals
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[16:56] <SpeedEvil> what?
[16:57] <gnif> dead board thats killing SD cards
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:57] <haltdef> :o
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> I have doubts - how many cards?
[16:57] <gnif> 2
[16:57] <gnif> not willing to risk another
[16:57] <bootc> gnif: same manufacturer / model / source / etc?
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[16:57] <gnif> yes
[16:57] <gnif> it was booting off it fine
[16:58] <bootc> could just be a duff batch of cards then
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[16:58] <gnif> i doubt it... one I have been booting a pandaboard off for months
[16:58] <gnif> reformatted for Pi, etc... dumped data to it, tried to boot, now it wont respond even to the PC
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[16:59] <gnif> i have a 350MHz scope, so I can probe around, but its been years since I read up on the SDIO spec
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> SD cards are ratehr unreliable
[17:00] * gordon_drogon waves
[17:00] <gnif> two in a row though? both were working fine
[17:00] <gordon_drogon> I'd have thought SD cards would be fairly robust, given the millions used in cameras, etc...
[17:01] <gnif> and both bought at different times, one was new, one old
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[17:01] <gordon_drogon> however I am somewhat irritated to find that one of my SD cards gets lots of errors when used in the Pi now.
[17:01] <gordon_drogon> however the Pi hasn't killed it...
[17:01] <dmsuse> can the headers on the pi be used as a voltage sensor in any way?
[17:02] <gnif> dmsuse, they are digital only, you would need to connect an ADC
[17:02] <gordon_drogon> not that I'm aware - other than digital high/low.
[17:02] <dmsuse> oh
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[17:02] <gordon_drogon> connect up an Arduino and use it as a remote sensor board ;-)
[17:03] <dmsuse> those are expensive
[17:03] <FZombie> i can make a arduino for 7$
[17:04] <bootc> probably your best bet is some kind of ADC chip connected to the I2C or SPI pins
[17:04] <FZombie> or buy them as cheap as 11$
[17:04] <aditsu_with_pi> FZombie: where?
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[17:05] <FZombie> i dont have links right now, a few weeks ago I was pricing them
[17:05] <gordon_drogon> RS or Farnell ;-)
[17:05] <gordon_drogon> wherever your buying the Pi from..
[17:05] <gordon_drogon> possibly not the cheapest, however...
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[17:05] <dmsuse> arduinos need to be connected to a computer?
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> they're stand-alone in their own right, but need to be programmed initially
[17:06] <dmsuse> ah
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> so I have some software I load into mine which then accept commands via the serial line.
[17:06] <FZombie> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Standalone here's a guide but it's not the only way to get things done.
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> so I can send a command that says: (e.g.) read analogue sensor number 2..
[17:06] <gordon_drogon> and it sends the result back up the serial line.
[17:07] <gordon_drogon> So a program running on the Pi can read the sensors, etc.
[17:08] <aditsu_with_pi> gordon_drogon: the base kit is about $137, not $11
[17:08] <Hexxeh> can anyone with a pi and an arm toolchain setup try to compile the emergency kernel and see if it works? i'm pretty convinced at this point it's just broken, but there's a commit from yesterday saying it should work now
[17:08] <bootc> dmsuse: exactly what are you trying to achieve?
[17:09] <gordon_drogon> what? The last arduino I bought was about ?20.
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[17:09] <bootc> Hexxeh: I can give it a go in a few hours time if you remind me
[17:09] <bootc> (gone 18:00)
[17:09] <Hexxeh> bootc: alright sure
[17:09] <dmsuse> bootc: i want to make a solar data logger
[17:09] <FZombie> clone arduino unos are 16$ but come with some bonus jumpers and other stuff
[17:09] <FZombie> looks like it's not 11$ anymore
[17:09] <bootc> dmsuse: so what voltages are we talking about?
[17:10] <FZombie> or im not looking hard enough
[17:10] <dmsuse> between 0 and 22v
[17:10] <gordon_drogon> The Gert board has A/D and D/A on-board - just wait for that to be avalable.
[17:10] <bootc> dmsuse: how often are you wanting to sample and to what resolution?
[17:10] <gordon_drogon> It also has a 3v3 Atmel chip capability, so can run arduino code.
[17:11] <bootc> I'm not sure a Pi is necessarily the right way to do this at all :-)
[17:11] <dmsuse> as often as possible, seconds
[17:11] <bootc> but a Pi+Gertboard would work nicely
[17:11] <aditsu_with_pi> actually, even more expensive in the US: $153
[17:11] <dmsuse> i also wanted to log the amount of amps too
[17:11] <bootc> dmsuse: ok but not 100s or more times per second then :-)
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[17:11] <dmsuse> bootc: no :P
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[17:11] <bootc> measuring current can be *fun* in all thw wrong ways, are we talking DC here? how much current?
[17:12] <dmsuse> dc.. up to 40amp
[17:12] <dmsuse> at 12v
[17:12] <aditsu_with_pi> ah, the single arduino uno board is cheaper.. around the Pi's price
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[17:13] <bootc> I got some hall effect sensors from CoolComponents a while ago... http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/acs715-current-sensor-breakout-p-474.html
[17:13] <bootc> they have others, and you still need an ADC
[17:13] <krl> RS sent me a link to order a RaspberryPi, but I already have one. I'm happy to give it to a developer but I don't know who.
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[17:14] <dmsuse> thats 30amp at 5v though :P
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[17:14] <bootc> (I used mine with an Arduino and a Teensy 2.0)
[17:15] <bootc> dmsuse: 30A, but any voltage
[17:15] <bootc> just needs 5V to power itself
[17:15] <bootc> there's these: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/attopilot-voltage-current-sense-breakout-p-433.html
[17:15] <gregrob1> Is somebody paying $137 for an Arduino? You can get them retail at radio Shack for USD $35.
[17:15] <dmsuse> oh
[17:16] <dmsuse> bootc: and you just connect that up to an arduino ?
[17:16] <aditsu_with_pi> gregrob1: there are dozens of arduino kits/packages with various prices
[17:16] <bootc> dmsuse: yeah, depending on the sensor you may need a resistive divider and/or capacitors to smooth out the voltage
[17:16] <dmsuse> cool thanks
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[17:16] <bootc> and an accurate voltage reference if you want your sensing to be accurate
[17:17] <aditsu_with_pi> also it would probably cost me over $1000 to get to a radio shack
[17:17] <bootc> it's not simple stuff sadly
[17:17] <dmsuse> lol figures ;)
[17:17] <gregrob1> aditsu_with_pi: to say an Arduino costs $137 is misleading
[17:17] <bootc> the Arduino is the simplest bit :-)
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[17:17] <aditsu_with_pi> gregrob1: I didn't say an Arduino costs $137
[17:18] <gregrob1> Adafruit is $29.95
[17:18] <gregrob1> Robot shop has a big selection
[17:19] <dmsuse> bootc: i have a digital charge controller that shows amps and volts, would there be an easy way to interface with that, or would that be really hard?
[17:19] <gregrob1> That is why I started with a question as to whether that was what was being said??
[17:19] <bootc> dmsuse: no idea, does it have some sort of data output connection?
[17:19] <dmsuse> not that i know of
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[17:20] <bootc> many of my friends domestic solar installations have bluetooth on the inverter, but yours doesn't sound that big if it's only 12V
[17:20] <bootc> (theirs are closer to 500V DC...)
[17:20] <dmsuse> bluetooth nice
[17:21] <dmsuse> yeah i dont want to be playing with 500+v :P
[17:22] <gregrob1> aditsu_with_pi: Can I ask again then, what costs $137?
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[17:22] <aditsu_with_pi> gregrob1: something called "base kit"; in the meantime I found an "arduino uno board" with a lower price
[17:25] <aditsu_with_pi> (still nowhere near $11)
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[17:25] <gregrob1> aditsu_with_pi: No $11 is a little low. Mostly from $25 to $35.
[17:26] <mkopack> aditsu_with_pi: are you talking about that Inventor's Kit that Sparkfun sells? It's an Uno with a bunch of sensors, patch wires, a small motor, a servo, resistors, LEDs, etc.
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[17:28] <aditsu_with_pi> mkopack: no idea, I just searched for arduino on element14
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[17:29] <aditsu_with_pi> this is the US link ($153): http://www.newark.com/arduino/k000001/dev-base-kit-tinkerkit/dp/78T2130?Ntt=2075348
[17:30] <dmsuse> what is the different between http://www.maplin.co.uk/arduino-uno-atmega328p-r3-mainboard-612955 and http://www.maplin.co.uk/arduino-mega-2560-r3-board-612967
[17:31] <fALSO> the the number of input/outputs ?
[17:31] <fALSO> look at both pages
[17:31] <fALSO> its not that hard
[17:33] <gregrob1> That $153 kit gives you a .ot of toys to play with. The kind of thing if you are doing a course, or want to be able to tinker easily. But if you have a project in mind then it isn;t what you would be buying.
[17:33] <dmsuse> thats all?
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[17:36] <gregrob1> I think the 328 and the 2560 have different specs for memory and io ports
[17:36] <mkopack> dmuse: yeah the mega has WAY more IO pins
[17:36] <mkopack> it's amazing how fast you run out on the Uno
[17:36] <gregrob1> The chip on the board has more pins, allowing the board to have more pins.
[17:37] <dmsuse> ooo
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[17:39] <aditsu_with_pi> anybody familiar with home automation?
[17:39] <mkopack> yeah, avoid that X10 shit
[17:40] <aditsu_with_pi> what should I look at then? I know nothing about it
[17:40] <dmsuse> aditsu_with_pi: i think your waiting for the gert board like me :P
[17:40] <bootc> aditsu_with_pi: ask Gadget-Mac :-)
[17:40] <dmsuse> an the pi :(
[17:41] <aditsu_with_pi> how much is the gertboard gonna cost?
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[17:41] <dmsuse> a heap ton :P
[17:42] <aditsu_with_pi> metric? :p
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[17:53] <gartenzwerg> aditsu_with_pi: maybe one of the cheapest boards is this one: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29 $4.30 when I ordered it, shipping was included in this price. I've implemented a voltmeter with it: http://www.frank-buss.de/LaunchPad/ should be possible to connect the serial port to the Raspberry Pi instead of the PC
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[17:56] <aditsu_with_pi> gartenzwerg: interesting, but I'm not sure what I can do with it :p
[17:56] <aditsu_with_pi> especially pi + it
[17:57] <aditsu_with_pi> ah, it has a list of projects
[17:57] <IT_Sean> aditsu_with_pi: gertboard pricing, like the board itself, is not released yet. price is anybody's guess at this point
[17:57] <mkopack> yeah. I have a couple of those Launchpads??? thing is, it's REALLY limited
[17:57] <gartenzwerg> the analog inputs could be useful for home automation
[17:59] <mjr> hmm, pi and java: mono has an arm jit, and ikvm exists. Wonder if that'd be a decent way to run java (such as the memory hogginess allows)
[17:59] <gartenzwerg> and as an intelligent buffer for control signals, to avoid damaging the RPi and realtime control
[18:01] <aditsu_with_pi> mjr: why not run the jvm directly?
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[18:04] <aditsu_with_pi> so anyway, I got the arch image and an sd card, do I just dd if=file of=device?
[18:05] <mtjnkee> will the raspi support a touchscreen?
[18:05] <aditsu_with_pi> (the whole card device, not the partition)
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[18:05] <mjr> I heard there wasn't a properly jitting jvm available at this point for this particular thing, but that may be alse
[18:05] <ReggieUK> if you connect a touchscreen controller to it via usb it will
[18:05] <ReggieUK> or serial
[18:05] <IT_Sean> you'd have to find / write a driver
[18:06] <ReggieUK> could fairly easily sort out a simple serial ts driver
[18:06] <mtjnkee> IT_Sean: that is what I was wondering. anyone already do this? what screen if so.
[18:06] <jamesglanville1> anyone looking for 3d printed cases?
[18:06] <ReggieUK> or get an i2c/spi ts chip and talk to one that way
[18:06] <aditsu_with_pi> jamesglanville1: I might be, if they're really cheap (I doubt it)
[18:06] <IT_Sean> mtjnkee: i suggest you check the forum... that'd be the best place to see if anyone already has done so.
[18:06] <jamesglanville1> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270970305285 are my cases, cheapest I can make them at all worth my while
[18:07] <IT_Sean> But, it wouldn't be hard to roll your own
[18:07] <ReggieUK> mtjnkee, not sure if anyone is looking at specific screens but the theory is mostly the same behind them all (the ts itself) so choose a ts to match the lcd size and an appropriate controller
[18:07] <mtjnkee> I'll take the challenge any day, I'm just a noob so.. :/
[18:08] <aditsu_with_pi> yeah.. 3d printing is still expensive
[18:08] <ReggieUK> you could look at dsi touchscreens (about 3.5") just the bare ts part, no lcd, that would give you something to play with
[18:08] <mtjnkee> good idea!
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[18:08] <ReggieUK> you can see lots of examples on how to interface them with something like an arduino
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[18:09] <ReggieUK> then it's just a simple question of looking at the linux libts drivers and cribbing how they work and translating
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[18:10] <gartenzwerg> aditsu_with_pi: there is a howto: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[18:11] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/139
[18:11] <mtjnkee> great, I was thinking I could get a few of these, build a "homemade" chromebook and have great christmas gifts but I am thinking a mini HTPC with a 1TB hdd would be better. <== itll be harder than it sounds but hey.. Maybe Hexxeh will get that AOSP build working. Too bad GTV isnt open :(
[18:11] <mtjnkee> thanks ReggieUK
[18:11] <ReggieUK> hmmmmn
[18:11] <mtjnkee> lolz, dont slam me too hard
[18:11] <ReggieUK> don't think it's going to be the htpc you think it is
[18:12] <IT_Sean> the raspi, running xbmc, would work as a media player, but,, i think you are overestimating it's abilities
[18:12] <ReggieUK> there's that old 'one horse trick' h.264 codec issue
[18:12] <ReggieUK> some things it might be able to cope with
[18:12] <aditsu_with_pi> gartenzwerg: thanks, looks like I was doing it right
[18:12] <ReggieUK> but it's not going to take everything that people want to throw at it
[18:13] <mtjnkee> of course not. but a simple streaming/storage media center shouldnt be too hard. If my old XBOX does it then.....
[18:13] <mtjnkee> lol
[18:14] <aditsu_with_pi> man that card is slow..
[18:14] <mtjnkee> oh yeah, it is lol
[18:14] <ReggieUK> you're comparing apples to bananas
[18:14] * IT_Sean eats an apple
[18:15] <aditsu_with_pi> kill -USR1 ftw
[18:15] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:16] <aditsu_with_pi> it shows dd progress
[18:16] <aditsu_with_pi> 2.6 MB/s
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[18:21] <aditsu_with_pi> hm.. putting a vacuum kettle in the fridge didn't work very well :p
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[18:23] <chris_99> what's a vacuum kettle when it's at home?
[18:23] <aditsu_with_pi> it's still a vacuum kettle
[18:24] <Hexxeh> can somebody with a serial connection to their pi try using kexec and tell me if it works?
[18:25] <Hexxeh> i lose output when running it, don't have a serial connection to see if there's anything outputted there
[18:25] <chris_99> what's a vaacuum kettle?
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[18:25] <aditsu_with_pi> a vacuum flask in the shape of a kettle
[18:26] <chris_99> oh so it's not actually a kettle
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[18:27] <aditsu_with_pi> well, if you mean you don't boil things in it, then, right
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[18:28] <bootc> Hexxeh: kexec may be another thing I can try for you after 1800
[18:28] <Hexxeh> bootc: heh, alright :)
[18:28] <chris_99> oh interesting, i've never heard of that before
[18:29] <aditsu_with_pi> not sure if that's the official term
[18:29] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, my tea is still a bit hot :p
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[18:35] <bootc> hmm, need to find a second SD card that works - this one doesn't
[18:36] <aditsu_with_pi> aw crap, I don't think I have an hdmi adapter (nor a tv)
[18:37] <aditsu_with_pi> I wonder if I can just run it and ssh into it?
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[18:39] <bootc> OK, is the kernel_rescue.img just broken, the one as-shipped with the Debian image?
[18:39] <Hexxeh> bootc: apparently so
[18:39] <Hexxeh> the new one in the firmware repo works for me though
[18:39] <Hexxeh> but anything i build myself doesn't work
[18:39] <bootc> it boots up but a few seconds after getting to the prompt it OOPSes and dies in the MMC code
[18:39] <aditsu_with_pi> wow, purdy lights :)
[18:39] <IT_Sean> ?
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[18:40] <bootc> Hexxeh: phew, I thought it was my crappy old SD cards
[18:40] <aditsu_with_pi> haha, my router sees an "alarmpi"
[18:41] <Hexxeh> what i'm planning is to fashion a cheap bootloader out of kexec
[18:41] <aditsu_with_pi> yay, it's aliiiiiive!!!
[18:41] <aditsu_with_pi> Linux alarmpi 3.1.9-12+ #5 Sat Apr 28 04:49:38 UTC 2012 armv6l ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
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[18:45] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, time to learn a bit about arch..
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[18:53] <bootc> Hexxeh: so it's the bcmrpi_emergency_defconfig you want me to try?
[18:53] <Hexxeh> bootc: yep
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[18:57] <bootc> it'll have to wait 5 mins looks like, it wants the initrd image quite early in the build process
[18:57] <Hexxeh> righto
[18:58] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm some packages are missing :((
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[19:04] <bootc> Hexxeh: I'll be trying a kernel with my patches, the .config changed slightly to enable early printk, and using the zImage - at first anyway
[19:04] <bootc> (that way I'll get more debug at boot)
[19:05] <Hexxeh> bootc: sounds good
[19:05] <Hexxeh> is config_kexec enabled in your config?
[19:06] <bootc> Hexxeh: this is for the rescue kernel to start with
[19:07] <bootc> the rescue kernel isn't happy, I get all the boot messages for 8.5s and it dies just after loading the smsc95xx
[19:07] <bootc> following that it complains about stack usage at about 20s in:
[19:07] <bootc> [ 20.996358] sh used greatest stack depth: 5900 bytes left
[19:07] <Hexxeh> bootc: exactly the same as what i saw
[19:08] <bootc> looks to me like a shagged userspace
[19:08] <Hexxeh> but the userspace files are on github, and the emergency kernel image dom posted works for me
[19:08] <Hexxeh> that's what puzzles me
[19:08] <bootc> [ 7.681444] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[19:08] <bootc> that'd be it
[19:08] <bootc> no /dev in the image
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[19:09] <Hexxeh> i didn't see that in output, odd
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[19:16] <zgreg> I just looked at this "magpi" thing
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[19:16] <zgreg> and my only words are... WHAT
[19:17] <zgreg> it's just horrible in every imaginable way
[19:17] <aditsu_with_pi> the part I saw was pretty cool
[19:17] <zgreg> I don't understand why the foundation is even advertising it
[19:20] <zgreg> it's a nice idea, but horribly executed
[19:21] <lee> yeah, because a bunch of volunteers are going to get it 100% right the first time
[19:22] <mpthompson> I think the foundation is trying to encourage things like "magpi".
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[19:23] <lee> as they should do, IMO, helps to build a community
[19:23] <zgreg> lee: well, obviously they won't... but I hope criticism is still allowed :)
[19:23] <lee> I've just looked at MagPi for the first time
[19:24] <mpthompson> For what it is, I thought it was fine. Reminded me of the types magazines that were available for the TRS-80 Color Computer when I was a kid.
[19:24] <zgreg> I really wonder why the people behind it didn't try to get someone involved who is experienced with this kind of stuff, you know, DTP and so on
[19:24] <lee> zgreg: probably encouraged, but I think you're being a bit harsh for a first effort
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[19:25] <lee> yeah, it does look rather ... hastily put-together and is heavy on stock photos
[19:25] <zgreg> anyway, I think it's strange that the comments are a "it's wonderful!" choir and anyone criticizing the mag is shot down as a troll
[19:25] <zgreg> that's definitely not helping
[19:25] <lee> but I'm sure it will improve in both content quality and design quality as the RasPi is distributed
[19:26] <zgreg> well, I hope so
[19:28] <zgreg> lol, one of the articles promotes HTML as a programming language...
[19:28] <lee> the fact that the foundation is advertising it means more people will see it, hopefully some of those will have the experience required
[19:28] <lee> and failing that you could always volunteer your time to improve it the way you think it should be =)
[19:31] <zgreg> I have better things to do with my time :)
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[19:34] <bootc> Hexxeh: yep, creating 'enough' in /dev for the initrd has made it come up
[19:34] <bootc> I had to 'MAKEDEV std' and 'MAKEDEV console' in mine
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[19:35] <aditsu_with_pi> hm.. the cpu does get pretty warm to the touch :p
[19:36] <bootc> aditsu_with_pi: only just warm though, in my experience
[19:36] <bootc> but I haven't tried Quake3 on mine yet :-)
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[19:37] <aditsu_with_pi> it's compiling stuff now
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[19:37] <bootc> now for kexec
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[19:37] <aditsu_with_pi> hm.. wonder if it's easy to set up distcc
[19:38] <bootc> distcc on lots of RPis, I like it
[19:38] <bootc> just cross-compile?
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[19:38] <aditsu_with_pi> I just have one pi, I want distcc with my desktop (cross-compiler)
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[19:40] * gordon_drogon waves
[19:41] <gordon_drogon> hey, no criticising MagPi now!!!
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[19:43] <bootc> Hexxeh: with my serial console and early printk I get as far as this
[19:43] <bootc> [info] Will now restart with kexec.
[19:43] <bootc> [ 438.279289] Starting new kernel
[19:43] <bootc> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[19:43] <bootc> then it's stuck
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[19:44] <beardface> oh boy, raspberry pi's only 250 on ebay
[19:44] <beardface> great deal
[19:45] <aditsu_with_pi> reaaaaly?
[19:45] <bootc> Hexxeh: I lie, with the command-line properly given my early printk comes up real quick and gives much more boot progress
[19:45] <bootc> http://paste.debian.net/167751/
[19:45] <aditsu_with_pi> to sell or not to sell... nah, no way
[19:46] <Matt> people are nuts
[19:46] <beardface> IMHO, anyone who got inline for a pi is a dick
[19:46] <beardface> *got in line for a pi to sell
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[19:46] <beardface> I could have been using that pi to do cool stuff
[19:46] <beardface> and work on my cases
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[19:47] <beardface> but instead, i'm waiting till at least june before they send mine
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[19:50] <dmsuse> beardface: thats why communism is better than capitalism :P
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[19:51] <IT_Sean> ...
[19:51] <ReggieUK> there's never been any real communism though
[19:52] <ReggieUK> and anything remotely resembling it has failed
[19:53] <aditsu_with_pi> Kim Jong-un would beg to disagree :p
[19:53] <passstab> neither system is good
[19:53] <ReggieUK> yeah, mass malnutrition is really working
[19:53] <ReggieUK> and that's not communism
[19:54] <ReggieUK> that's totalitarian dictatorship
[19:54] <ReggieUK> big difference
[19:54] <beardface> dick-tatorship
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[19:54] <passstab> they both work until people start believing in the virtues of the system
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[19:57] <Matt> the problem is that people are greedy
[19:57] <Matt> most of the world?? problems boil down to that :)
[19:57] <aditsu_with_pi> sigh.. compiling on the pi is a good patience test
[19:57] <IT_Sean> the problem is that people suck
[19:58] <beardface> aditsu_with_pi, seems like everythign on the pi is a test of patience
[19:58] <beardface> it isn't known for blistering speed :)
[19:58] <aditsu_with_pi> it booted pretty fast
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[19:59] <Matt> we used to be more patient
[19:59] <Matt> remember waiting for stuff to load from tape?
[20:00] <IT_Sean> before my time
[20:00] <aditsu_with_pi> yep, I remember the sounds
[20:00] <aditsu_with_pi> but this is taking longer than that
[20:00] <ReggieUK> oh god those noises
[20:00] <aditsu_with_pi> doooooooooo...BRIP! dooooooooooo......asfhuhe!@#!@UHFDUDUH#$UR@!sd!@UIH#@UHRHUHEWUHFE etc
[20:00] <ReggieUK> and you'd learn each game like it was an album
[20:02] <Matt> and the games that would load a loading screen
[20:02] <Matt> or two, which alternated so you had some really basic animation
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[20:02] <aditsu_with_pi> haha, yeah... and loading errors after 3 minutes, had to rewind and try again
[20:03] <Hexxeh> bootc: sorry, got distracted from my PC, so it's good that there's more output on the serial console
[20:03] <Matt> after tweaking the volume control on your tape recorder
[20:03] <Hexxeh> bootc: have you determined what causes it to stop?
[20:04] * Simon- puts an assembly version of "first32k.bin" here: https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/415b012dadcefea2ac54b0263a1fdead1146b4fe
[20:04] <aditsu_with_pi> some games were so big that you had to load the next level from tape
[20:04] <Hexxeh> Simon-: does that negate the need for mkimg?
[20:04] <Hexxeh> *mkimage even
[20:04] <gordon_drogon> I only very rarely used tapes... cheated & went right to disks
[20:05] <Simon-> Hexxeh: nothing is going to negate the need to hack on a 32-kbit blob except a change to the bootloader
[20:05] <Hexxeh> Simon-: ahh, alright, just checking
[20:05] <Simon-> Hexxeh: so far all I can determine is that the linux kernel tree is the wrong place to automate it
[20:05] <Simon-> but I can stick that file in there so that it's not simply some unknown magic
[20:07] <Simon-> although it would help if I documented the final step https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/330d160054760afdf9ae0cabc466553d39f8be23
[20:09] <Hexxeh> have you tested your 3.3 and 3.4 branches as working?
[20:09] <Hexxeh> i saw a 3.3.1 branch somewhere else, compiled but blackscreen on boot
[20:09] <Simon-> people need to stop doing -stable branches
[20:10] <Simon-> it's a real mess to merge it back
[20:10] <Simon-> 3.3 boots but I have something wrong with the mmc code
[20:10] <Simon-> 3.4 has something wrong somewhere that I've yet to track down
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[20:20] <Simon-> I can now zinstall with my rpi-boot.bin and it works...
[20:21] <Simon-> (the kernel source tree executes ~/bin/installkernel and you can do custom handlers based on the current working directory)
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[20:29] <Simon-> bootc: Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[20:29] <Simon-> :)
[20:30] <Simon-> bootc: I don't see it turning off earlyprintk
[20:30] <bootc> Simon-: :-)
[20:30] <bootc> oh
[20:30] <bootc> mine does, hang on
[20:30] <Simon-> maybe it's a loglevel issue
[20:31] <bootc> ahh yeah I boot with debug
[20:31] <bootc> Hexxeh: it stops in the fb driver, likely a bug in that
[20:31] <bootc> Hexxeh: Simon- knows more about it
[20:31] <bootc> Simon-: [ 3.626247] console [ttyAMA0] enabled, bootconsole disabled
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[20:32] <Simon-> aha! initcalls!
[20:33] <Simon-> I wish I knew what was wrong with the bogomips calculation
[20:33] <Simon-> bootc: it doesn't stop in the fb driver
[20:33] <Simon-> bootc: it sends a message to the GPU which never responds
[20:33] <Simon-> it's not even at the FB code, which may do the same thing
[20:33] <Simon-> however I did repeatedly send the FB commands without DMA configured and it responded
[20:34] <bootc> fair enough
[20:35] <Simon-> trying 3.4 now
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[20:40] <Hexxeh> if you can get kexec working, that'd be awesome, since you could use kbootexec as a cheap bootloader
[20:40] <Hexxeh> that way the running kernel can sit on a USB stick with the distro
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[20:40] <aditsu_with_pi> I wonder if the gentoo instructions for cross-compiling with distcc will work on arch
[20:41] <Simon-> I don't see why
[20:41] <Simon-> gentoo's are specific to gentoo... and once you have a cross-compiler it should be the same
[20:41] * gordon_drogon likes the idea of a "cheap" bootloader being the entire kernel :)
[20:42] <Simon-> bootc: Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[20:42] * Simon- doesn't like the idea of initialising usb twice
[20:42] <Simon-> bootc: and then nothing.
[20:42] <aditsu_with_pi> Simon-: not sure what you mean.. anyway I'll give it a try
[20:43] <Simon-> bootc: but now I have earlyprintk I can try putting some printks before start_kernel
[20:43] <bootc> Simon-: nothing even with early printk enabled? and ebug?
[20:43] <bootc> debug*?
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[20:44] <Hexxeh> if kexec worked, it's be a whole lot easier to get working than something like u-boot, and more user friendly
[20:44] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: so make it work :P
[20:45] <RaYmAn> or wait, forget that - that's my plan when my rpi finally ships ;)
[20:45] <bootc> Simon- / Hexxeh: anyway I'm off for the evening, so have fun folks :-)
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[20:47] <Simon-> bootc: still nothing
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[20:49] <aditsu_with_pi> yay! yay! java on the pi! :)
[20:50] * aditsu_with_pi does a little dance
[20:50] <Simon-> oh, it's not usign earlyprintk
[20:50] <Simon-> does it use the arm java instructions?
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[20:51] <aditsu_with_pi> no idea
[20:51] <Simon-> bootc: oh. start_kernel is earlier than the bcm2708 functions
[20:51] <Simon-> bootc: I had =serial on the end of earlyprintk
[20:51] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm using "openjdk6-6.b22_1.10-1-arm"
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[20:53] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm - OpenJDK Zero VM (build 19.0-b09, interpreted mode)
[20:53] <Simon-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle
[20:54] <aditsu_with_pi> how can I find out if it uses that?
[20:54] <TopherBrink> love that my usb dvd writer works with the pi. much easier to get larger stuff on.
[20:54] <aditsu_with_pi> (my guess is it doesn't)
[20:55] <Simon-> oh, it doesn't
[20:55] <Simon-> because ARM won't tell you how to :/
[20:55] <Simon-> bootc: however I'm still getting nothing on the console with 3.4
[20:55] <Hexxeh> the only Java implementations that use the ARM instructions aren't free
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[20:56] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: you mean even less free than the oracle stuff?
[20:56] <Hexxeh> yup
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[20:58] <aditsu_with_pi> I wonder if they can be reverse engineered or something :p
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[21:00] <PedroPi> I can't wait for X to be GPU accelerated, it's almost painful at the mo :(
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[21:01] <Simon-> an xz compressed kernel is visibly slow to decompress...
[21:02] <Simon-> but it'll save on flash rewrites...
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[21:03] * Simon- bisects v3.3..master again with earlyprintk
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[21:06] <aditsu_with_pi> oh, gcc is 4.6.3 on arch.. a bit too new for gentoo
[21:07] <aditsu_with_pi> wonder if I can downgrade
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[21:07] <Simon-> I need a longer cable for my serial console... it's barely long enough to each :/
[21:08] <Simon-> and one of the connectors is just hanging on
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[21:08] * IT_Sean tosses Simon- a really long RJ45 serial cable
[21:08] <Simon-> it's just 3 wires
[21:08] <IT_Sean> Yeah, and?
[21:09] <Simon-> I need the right type of connector on the ends :p
[21:09] * IT_Sean tosses Simon- a few DB9 RJ45 adapters
[21:09] <Simon-> it's not db9
[21:09] <IT_Sean> DB25?
[21:09] <Simon-> it's just 3 wires onto the pin header at each end
[21:09] <IT_Sean> oooh
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[21:09] <IT_Sean> use cat5, cut & strip
[21:10] <Simon-> but I used this for my wifi ap so it has a resistor soldered on which is stopping it staying on properly
[21:12] <IT_Sean> you could also use 4 conductor telephone wire
[21:12] <PedroPi> gah, wondered why my Pi was running slow and Midori was using 30% of the CPU :/
[21:12] <PedroPi> and so does XChat when maximised, sheesh
[21:13] * IT_Sean takes a flathead screw driver and cracks off 30% of PedroPi's CPU
[21:13] <IT_Sean> there... problem solved.
[21:13] <PedroPi> thanks :P
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[21:13] <IT_Sean> No prob. :D
[21:14] <Simon-> bootc: use initcall_debug=1 when you're trying to fix kexec, it makes it easier to find where it stops
[21:14] <PedroPi> Gotta say I'm glad bluetooth works (pretty much) out of the box
[21:16] <Simon-> netboot would definitely be nicer than swapping the sd card
[21:16] <Matt> IT_Sean: clearly it's one of those days
[21:16] <IT_Sean> one of what days?
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[21:17] <Matt> one of those days
[21:17] <IT_Sean> care to be more specific?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> for a monday, today is pretty suck-free on my end
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[21:18] <corbomite> likewise - it's my first free day of the summer!
[21:18] <Simon-> yesterday I kept doing things out of order and turning the pi on with no sd card :/
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[21:20] <passstab> Simon-, the smallest violin...
[21:20] <IT_Sean> corbomite: student? Summer vacation?
[21:20] <corbomite> former student, just graduated with a BSEE
[21:21] <IT_Sean> ahh
[21:21] <IT_Sean> well, enjoy summer vacation while it lasts... you don't get summer vacation in The Real World.
[21:21] * IT_Sean sighs
[21:21] <Simon-> what's a vacation?
[21:22] <IT_Sean> Simon-: it's what you don't get to have anymore once you get a job
[21:23] <Simon-> bootc: the decompressing printout is a good indicator that the console is still connected :)
[21:24] <Simon-> as long as no one introduces a patch breaking it..
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[21:25] <Simon-> bah. this is still homing in on some serial code
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[21:29] <gordon_drogon> you could always try being self-employed... plenty of vacation then...
[21:29] <gordon_drogon> although I call it "beween jobs" ;-)
[21:29] <IT_Sean> yeah, but the pay is crap
[21:29] <gordon_drogon> not always.
[21:31] <Simon-> this is still finding 9b96fbacda34079dea0638ee1e92c56286f6114a :|
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[21:36] <corbomite> how does everyone here feel about the closed-source nature of the hardware?
[21:36] <ollymorfik_> you wont find anyone who likes it
[21:37] <wizkid057> if it were open source i'm sure someone would be selling them for $50 by now
[21:37] <ReggieUK> it doesn't bother me
[21:37] <ollymorfik_> because youre a nazi
[21:37] <hotwings> i would guess the majority doesnt care with the minority being idealists who do care
[21:37] <ReggieUK> it's like most devices out there unless they were specifically developed for devving, there is usually something closed on it
[21:38] <Ben64> yep
[21:38] <ReggieUK> pick a winner
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[21:38] <corbomite> i'm just doing some initial research on the pi since i didn't have any free time during the past semester, but is there a license on the pi that's preventing it from being reverse-engineered and released as an open product?
[21:38] <ReggieUK> should I whine because parrot don't want to give me any information to put linux on one of their digital photoframes?
[21:38] <wizkid057> wonder how man MH/sec a raspi can mine bitcoins...
[21:38] <ollymorfik_> somone at raspberry pi needs to hack the dudes computer with all the NDA stuff and leak it
[21:38] <Ben64> it's almost impossible to do what r-pi does on completely open hardware
[21:39] <ollymorfik_> non disclosure agreement
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[21:39] <aditsu_with_pi> someone at lulzsec/anonymous might do it
[21:40] <wizkid057> its definitely not the most complicated piece of hardware out there...
[21:40] <corbomite> not by a long shot
[21:40] <corbomite> which is why i was wondering
[21:40] <ReggieUK> nice, they provide with cheap kit and someone wants to hack them and probably stop the foundation dead
[21:40] <Simon-> what exactly do you mean by open? do you want to know the internal workings of the ARM chip?
[21:40] <IT_Sean> You wouldn't be able to get the broadcom chip yourself
[21:40] <ollymorfik_> nah man they only do political stuff do get the internet locked down
[21:40] <TopherBrink> lulzsec is long dead
[21:40] <IT_Sean> let alone put it on the board without specalized equipment
[21:41] <ollymorfik_> they are the new terrorists
[21:41] <wizkid057> its just a SoC setup in a small form factor
[21:41] <TopherBrink> Topiary and co were arrested, its done.
[21:41] <ollymorfik_> the terrorist threat so you give up more freedom to be "safe"
[21:41] <ollymorfik_> no doubt a gov't op
[21:42] <corbomite> by open i mean open pcb/component lists and the availability for anyone to manufacture their own, possibly modified, version
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[21:42] <Ben64> not gonna happen
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that won't happen
[21:42] <aditsu_with_pi> I would be fully satisfied with open-source drivers/libs to use the full capabilities of the chip
[21:43] <aditsu_with_pi> don't care about internal hardware details
[21:43] <IT_Sean> i also think you underestimate the engineering that went into the board. It isn't something you could whack together in your basement in an afternoon
[21:43] <corbomite> oh, i didn't realize the drivers weren't open as well
[21:43] <ollymorfik_> nope its got binary libs that interface with the binary gpu blob
[21:44] <aditsu_with_pi> and some features are only available if you pay for licensing
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[21:44] <corbomite> IT_Sean: no, but for example, if I wanted to design a r-pi for a specific application integrated into a single pcb with other instrumentation, devices, etc. there's no way to do that currently
[21:45] <Simon-> you could just replace the whole GPU firmware
[21:45] <IT_Sean> There is no way to do that, flat out. Broadcom would not give you the SOC for one thing.
[21:46] <IT_Sean> besides... it has a GPIO. Just make a board to slap onto the GPIO pins, and be happy
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[21:47] <gordon_drogon> I'm not overly woried it has "closed" hardware and binary blobs - I'm sure they'll be maintined for it's lifetime.
[21:49] <hotwings> supposedly theres an open-source driver being developed - in alpha stage
[21:49] <corbomite> sauce?
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[21:53] <TopherBrink> mmm open sauce > open source
[21:54] <corbomite> lol
[21:55] <TopherBrink> better with bacon.
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[21:56] <aditsu_with_pi> gcc is such a beast to compile..
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[21:57] <Kostic> gcc, like kicking a dead whale on the beach.
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[21:58] <PedroPi> gah, my Bluetooth keyboard segfaults X :/
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[21:58] <aditsu_with_pi> at least it doesn't explode
[21:59] <Kostic> wait a sec, you say that one raspi exploded?
[21:59] <aditsu_with_pi> no, whales
[21:59] * IT_Sean wonders if his dinner tonight will be open sauce
[22:00] <mkopack> Kostic: There's one that some kid blew up/fried by dropping a soldering iron onto the board while trying to solder something onto the GPIO pins
[22:00] <Kostic> when I did some LFS shit, I think that the GCC's compilation was the longest one.
[22:00] <mkopack> the dumb*ss
[22:01] <Kostic> hehe... The next hardware hacker... ;D
[22:01] <aditsu_with_pi> it would be awesome if he manages to fix it
[22:02] <mpthompson> I would be curious. Has anyone actually built gcc on a Raspberry Pi, or are they using cross-development tools?
[22:02] <aditsu_with_pi> mpthompson: bahahahaha
[22:03] <aditsu_with_pi> if anyone tried, it would still be compiling
[22:03] * _av500_ crosscompiles gcc for th r-pi on his arduino.....
[22:03] <PedroPi> damn, ScummVM doesn't seem to work
[22:03] <Tachyon`> I can compile things perfectly well on the pandora
[22:03] <Tachyon`> the pi is more or less the same
[22:03] <PedroPi> well, it installs fine, but doesn't exist when you run it :S
[22:03] <Tachyon`> it helps not to have X and its associated bloat eating ram while you're doing it
[22:04] <haltdef> pandora is cortex a8 isn't it
[22:04] <Tachyon`> aye
[22:04] <Kostic> I should really get one ARM motherboard...
[22:04] <haltdef> far faster than the pi then
[22:04] <Tachyon`> oh, is it
[22:04] <Tachyon`> not had a pi in my hands yet
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[22:04] <Tachyon`> thought they were about the same spec, oh well -.-
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[22:04] <Tachyon`> but they do have the same amount of ram
[22:04] <Simon-> solder something onto the GPIO pins?
[22:04] <Tachyon`> so gcc etc. will run fine if not particularly quickly
[22:05] <haltdef> there's a surprisingly big difference between arm11 an cortex a8
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[22:05] <Tachyon`> ahh, suppose I shouldn't be expecting miracles at this price
[22:06] <corbomite> when are the next batch of pi's supposed to be available in the US?
[22:06] <corbomite> i can't seem to locate info. regarding this on their site
[22:06] <haltdef> I've used a dual core cortex a9 at 1.2ghz
[22:06] <haltdef> sloooow
[22:07] <aditsu_with_pi> compiling *stuff* on the pi is very slow... but it eventually finishes
[22:07] <Kostic> They should really get some new manufacturers and distributors... ~100.000 per month NOW.
[22:07] <aditsu_with_pi> compiling *gcc* though... oh hell no!
[22:07] <friggle> Kostic: RS and Farnell are ramping up production. If they could do it faster, they would
[22:07] <gartenzwerg> mpthompson: you don't need to build the gcc on the Raspberry Pi, in Debian it is just a "apt-get install gcc" on the RPi itself
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[22:08] <friggle> mpthompson: I haven't built gcc on the pi no. It wouldn't surprise me if it breaks, it's not a pleasant build process:)
[22:08] <Kostic> friggle, then the Foundation should find one more manufacturer and distributor... Simple.
[22:08] <aditsu_with_pi> now let's see if I can get distcc to work
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[22:09] <Tachyon`> there's goign to be masses of work done with it with that number in circulation at least
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[22:09] <gartenzwerg> but of course, cross compiling is much faster, I just finished my kernel build from the sources, and it still boots
[22:09] <Kostic> Flashback.... Will ther be some Go magic on raspi?
[22:09] <Kostic> *there
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[22:10] <balakrish> im a beginner in raspberry pi. can i create proprietary stuff using rPi?
[22:11] <balakrish> i will add some devices only .. (no modifications at all)
[22:11] <passstab> balakrish, what do you mean?
[22:11] <_av500_> balakrish: as for OMAP4, you will have a hard time to buy the SoC
[22:12] <Kostic> balakrish, There are many proprietary programs for linux so I don't see why you couldn't...
[22:12] <balakrish> really cant understand OMAP4 and SoC terms. :(
[22:12] <haltdef> are you asking if you can put a pi in a finished product?
[22:12] <corbomite> i think his question is whether he can sell hardware based around the rpi?
[22:12] <_av500_> no, create a derivative hardware
[22:12] <Tachyon`> argh, fragmentation
[22:12] <IT_Sean> balakrish: what, precisely, do you want to do?
[22:13] <_av500_> balakrish: SoC = System on Chip
[22:13] <IT_Sean> the SoC is the 'heart' of the raspi.
[22:14] <Kostic> ?????? ?????????? ????????.
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[22:14] <Kostic> *It's brain also.
[22:14] <haltdef> the keys are light right next to each other
[22:14] <balakrish> _av500_,corbomite, IT_Sean: i will use raspberry pi as my basic system and i will add some devices and my own application on it. can i make it closed or proprietary?
[22:14] <haltdef> like
[22:14] <IT_Sean> you are going to have to be more specific.
[22:15] <Kostic> You could make your app proprietary but you can't make the system proprietary.
[22:15] <_av500_> like make an android tablet out of it
[22:15] <balakrish> actually im a s/w developer but with 10% knowledge on electronics..
[22:15] <balakrish> so pls help me out of it.
[22:15] <_av500_> which 10%?
[22:15] <balakrish> i dont know but VERY BASIC :(
[22:15] <haltdef> nobody knows what you're trying to do
[22:15] <IT_Sean> stop messing with the guy, he's asking for help. :p
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[22:16] <passstab> why do you want to make it proprietary?
[22:16] <_av500_> assume he wants to build a device based on r-pi desing
[22:16] <_av500_> a closed box
[22:16] <Kostic> I sense some windows userland... xD
[22:16] <IT_Sean> balakrish: please tell us exactly what you intend to do with the pi. Are you making some sort of consumer device with it?
[22:16] <_av500_> lets assume that
[22:16] <IT_Sean> Are you going to use it to power an underpants vending machine?
[22:16] <balakrish> yep..
[22:16] <_av500_> is it allowed?
[22:16] <IT_Sean> are you going to send it to the moon?
[22:16] <corbomite> lol
[22:17] <_av500_> e.g. beagle or panda allow that
[22:17] <corbomite> (@ the underpants vendor)
[22:17] <_av500_> does r.pi?
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[22:17] * passstab misses piless
[22:17] <Kostic> Are you going to manipulate Polywell Fusor with it? :D
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[22:17] <Simon-> the website has a statement on this - have you even read it? :/
[22:17] <Simon-> oh he left
[22:17] <passstab> lol
[22:17] <Kostic> ahahahahahaaha....
[22:17] <corbomite> look what you guys did...
[22:18] <IT_Sean> I didn't scare him off, did i?
[22:18] <_av500_> nah
[22:18] <IT_Sean> I was really trying to help
[22:18] <Simon-> iirc they may decide to require a royalty payment depending on what you're doing with it
[22:18] <_av500_> he was confused in #pandaboard already
[22:18] <Kostic> IT_Sean, don't worry. He'll be back. :D
[22:18] <_av500_> that too
[22:18] <passstab> he's gonna go back in time to assassinate Steve jobs
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[22:18] <passstab> with it
[22:18] <IT_Sean> :(
[22:18] * _av500_ wonders why he has voice here?
[22:18] <haltdef> because you're speshul
[22:18] <_av500_> \o/
[22:19] <haltdef> we're speshul! :D
[22:19] <acfrazier> because you've been idling in here and have not dropped since launch day
[22:19] <_av500_> I call it gifted
[22:19] <Kostic> ??????????... nice
[22:19] <acfrazier> I dropped once, so I lost mine :P
[22:19] <_av500_> ah
[22:19] <passstab> *group hug*
[22:19] <passstab> ????????
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[22:20] * passstab can wright in Russian!!
[22:20] <IT_Sean> keep it in english
[22:20] <Kostic> passtab, almost... But it's not Russian. :P
[22:21] <corbomite> from russia, with tits
[22:21] <Simon-> git bisect hates me
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[22:21] <aditsu_with_pi> pics please
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[22:21] <passstab> is it the russian alhpabet?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> No boob pics
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[22:22] <Kostic> passstab, I'm not quite sure about russian alphabet but some of the letters of my language can be found in their...
[22:22] <aditsu_with_pi> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Censored_tit.jpg
[22:23] <IT_Sean> lol
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[22:23] <corbomite> ha
[22:23] * IT_Sean trips Matttt
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[22:24] <_av500_> Kostic: ne zezaj narod ovde
[22:24] <IT_Sean> ahem
[22:24] <IT_Sean> dare i ask what that means?
[22:25] <Kostic> _av500_, You sold your soul to the God's of translate.google.com... :P
[22:25] <Kostic> _av500_, ???????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????????... :D
[22:26] <Simon-> bootc: if I compile out pl011 support it just won't boot
[22:26] <IT_Sean> I won't say it again... keep it in english. If it's in russian, i can't tell if you are talking about asian butt porn or something.
[22:26] <_av500_> Kostic: kojesta
[22:27] <_av500_> IT_Sean: you nailed it
[22:27] <Kostic> Really dude, we should stop. Big Head is getting grumpy. :D
[22:27] <_av500_> want some?
[22:27] <Kostic> want some cloud? xD
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Not now, i'm at work.
[22:27] <PedroPi> wehey, my bluetooth mouse connects on startup
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[22:28] <_av500_> Kostic: let's do world domination another day
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[22:29] <Kostic> Ok, I will do that... Please finish those pandaboard-soulgathering experiments until the end of this week... :D
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[22:30] * IT_Sean is hungry, and would like to go home
[22:31] <Matt> IT_Sean: well it's almost hometime
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> Matt: 30 mote minutes.
[22:31] <IT_Sean> *more
[22:31] <Kostic> of to sleep... Good night.
[22:31] <IT_Sean> nite
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[22:34] <IT_Sean> Colloquy on the iPad looks really cool if you use the inverse / high contrast display setting.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> just a random observation
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[22:38] <mkopack> IT_Sean: I actually prefer Limechat on the ipad
[22:38] <IT_Sean> I had lime chat, but, i need something with working sasl support, as i am connecting to freenode via 3g
[22:38] <mkopack> ah
[22:40] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm, the gentoo way doesn't seem to work on arch
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[22:45] <OneFix_Work> So, anyone heard when the next batch of rPis will be shipped?
[22:45] <PedroPi> heh, prBoom runs... there must be a doom port that runs from command line
[22:46] <haltdef> RS say they'll have mine dispatched in the next 7 days
[22:46] <OneFix_Work> PedroPi: I thought the Quake3 port has a doom mod for it
[22:47] <OneFix_Work> PedroPi: Better too, since it kind of allows multi-player doom
[22:47] <PedroPi> but where's the fun in that?
[22:47] <PedroPi> I want Doom, not a Quake3 mod
[22:48] <aditsu_with_pi> oh crap my symlinks are wrong
[22:48] <PedroPi> .. you realise I'm talking about the original Doom, right?
[22:48] <ReggieUK> doom would be easy on the pi
[22:48] <ReggieUK> I'm sure someone has done it
[22:48] <PedroPi> indeed, but X running at 1080p kills the CPU
[22:48] <PedroPi> plus prBoom uses ALSA, so no sound
[22:49] <OneFix_Work> PedroPi: Right, I know that you are talking about Doom, but the point is that Quake3 runs on it and I'm pretty sure that there is a Doom mod for Quake3...really just a total conversion...
[22:49] <PedroPi> I'm sure there's an basic port out there somewhere
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[22:50] <PedroPi> OneFix_Work: I don't think you get it
[22:50] <corbomite> anyone know of any non-hobby, non-education uses people have developed with the pi yet?
[22:50] <OneFix_Work> PedroPi: Are you wanting to use the engine for something?
[22:50] <PedroPi> no, I want to play Doom :P
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[22:53] <OneFix_Work> PedroPi: I understand what you are saying, I'm guessing something like glDoom is your best bet
[22:53] <TopherBrink> compile chocolate doom on arch
[22:53] <TopherBrink> job done
[22:54] <TopherBrink> works perfectly
[22:54] <PedroPi> I'm running Debian, but I did see Chocolate Doom somewhere
[22:55] <TopherBrink> a couple of those engine ports didnt work out but chocdoom was fine on arch
[22:56] <TopherBrink> proper sound, speedy, no problems
[22:56] <PedroPi> looks like it needs to run in X?
[22:56] <Matt> IT_Sean: hometime :)
[22:56] <aditsu_with_pi> it's aliiiiiiiiive!!!
[22:56] <IT_Sean> Matt: some dill called me. I am on a support call
[22:57] <TopherBrink> i believe so
[22:58] <aditsu_with_pi> distcc working, now I can compile everything I want :)
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[23:12] <corbomite> sorry for asking here, but i'm new to irc and having a problem in another channel. i'm getting "
[23:12] <corbomite> ##[chanName] :Cannot send to channel" when trying to send messages. how can i fix this?
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[23:26] * Simon- finally has it booting on the latest linux kernel (although mmc is still broken)
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[23:32] <DaQatz> corbomite, If your nick is not registered many channels "mute" no registered users. In some cases you will even need "voice" in a channel to be able to speak.
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[23:33] <corbomite> DaQatz: thanks
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[23:43] <Simon-> https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/a4fae9dfe05ba58ced70ebf120a549aeed4c66cb is a minimal first 32k
[23:43] <Simon-> I don't know where the other one came from but half of it's not necessary
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[23:44] <Simon-> apparently it came from within broadcom...
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[23:44] <Simon-> perhaps before the GPU code populated the kernel args
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