#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-08

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[0:08] <Kyzz> I got my Pi today....
[0:10] <gurgalof> Kyzz, from farnell or RS?
[0:11] <Kyzz> Farnell, I was one of the first 10k apparnely and with shipping it was ~62$
[0:11] <gurgalof> ouch sounds much
[0:11] <gurgalof> damn farnell
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[0:12] <Kyzz> I still have no idea what to do with it since it's my first board o.O
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[0:12] <gurgalof> i will put mine in a rc car, when i get it
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[0:13] <gurgalof> and have it driving around for it self with GPS, and or internet control
[0:13] <gurgalof> and a webcam for fun
[0:14] <gartenzwerg> I'll put it in a box with two nice 9-pin-sub-d connectors when I have some time, for connecting 2 Competition Pros to it, for playing C64 games with it
[0:15] <gartenzwerg> and maybe Amiga, when I have some time to implement accelerated graphics output for it :-)
[0:16] <gurgalof> i will just need integer and floating point math :P
[0:17] <gartenzwerg> gurgalof: add some solar cells, and it can drive around the world :-)
[0:18] <Kyzz> I don't know how to do or start any of that haha
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[0:19] <gurgalof> gartenzwerg, too bad solar cells arent that effective
[0:20] <gurgalof> espesially not in the northen hemisphere
[0:20] <Kyzz> hmm
[0:21] <gartenzwerg> Kyzz: the C64 emulator is easy, at least if you use the USB keyboard instead of the GPIOs, just some software installation: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/c64-emulator
[0:21] <gurgalof> but i will have big lithium batteries and regenerative braking
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[0:22] <gartenzwerg> right, would need some time to travel, maybe resting a day in low power mode for charging the batteries
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[0:23] <gartenzwerg> or use this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
[0:23] <gartenzwerg> maybe difficult to buy :-)
[0:26] <Kyzz> only slightly
[0:26] <Kyzz> haha
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[0:29] <gurgalof> an RTG would be nice
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[1:55] <kallisti5> whoo-whee
[1:55] <kallisti5> anyone else notice Raspberry Pi's going for $255 on ebay?
[1:55] <gurgalof> w00t
[1:55] <r00t|home> <--- gonna be rich :D
[1:55] <gurgalof> lol
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[1:56] <kallisti5> I thought about selling mine... but I have too much porting work to get done.
[1:56] <r00t|home> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_AUCTION=1&_sop=1&_nkw=raspberry+pi
[1:56] <gurgalof> r00t|home, i recognize your nick from somewhere...
[1:56] <r00t|home> sick stuff
[1:57] <kallisti5> although... i could buy a beagleboard and get a *real* arm processor for that ^_^
[1:58] <r00t|home> list of stupid people: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270967545399
[1:58] <IT_Sean> haha
[1:58] <r00t|home> the _starting bid_ was $150 already?!
[1:58] <IT_Sean> people suck
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[1:59] <gurgalof> maybe i should sell mine when i get it, but i don't want to
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> If I had one - I'd be selling it.
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> That's a months food.
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> Rebuy when prices get more sane
[2:00] <gurgalof> yeah
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> Actually - more than - this month was only that because I bought 20 quids worth of coffee on special offer
[2:00] <gurgalof> but i would feel like an ass making money of a pi
[2:00] <r00t|home> just pre-order some more
[2:01] <IT_Sean> yeah, if you are going to sell it, fix the price at what you paid for it
[2:01] <IT_Sean> the people who ordered just to profit are.. well... they suck.
[2:01] <gurgalof> i won't sell it
[2:01] <r00t|home> no, they are smart... and the people buying at those prices are stupid...
[2:02] <gurgalof> the pi is overhyped
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> It is not universally stupid to do that
[2:02] <IT_Sean> r00t|home, no, they suck. They took up a slot in the queue just to make a greedy profit.
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> If I was producing hardware for the PI, I'd be buying one at that price
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: you're presupposing everyone who's selling would do something meaningful with their Pi.
[2:03] * IT_Sean just wants his pi, dammit. :p
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[2:04] <passstab> IT_Sean, i would sell at that price if i still can when i get one
[2:05] <passstab> i didn't order until i understood there would be an unlimited number of them (for that reason)
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[2:06] * IT_Sean registered interest, but hasn't ordered yet
[2:07] <gurgalof> i have ordered with RS
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[2:11] <Thorn_> brits should get it http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr9/smithy0107/Capture-1.jpg
[2:11] <IT_Sean> HAHAH!
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[2:12] <IT_Sean> That's pretty good
[2:12] <Thorn_> yeah i found it funny too
[2:12] <Thorn_> and a fairly harmless thing to do with a few spare chips
[2:13] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[2:13] <BenO> Any python types in tonight? I've only just discovered how damn powerful ctypes.CDLL is...
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[2:23] <mkopack> OMG - Best new line ever - "Your breath smells like you just went down on a brussel sprout"
[2:25] <IT_Sean> that's a good line
[2:25] <Thorn_> i give it a 6.5/10
[2:27] * RITRedbeard holds up a 7
[2:30] * IT_Sean hold up a 7.3
[2:32] <mkopack> Two Broke Girls??? HILLARIOUS show
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[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, is it possible to access a PHP array from outside the script?
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[2:49] <r00t|home> GabrialDestruir: by using a debugger on the php interpreter maybe?
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[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> I'm screwing around with my final and I had it pulling the password to arrays, and was curious how secure that was.
[2:58] <r00t|home> that's unrelated to php really, it's basic unix stuff
[2:58] <Dagger2> "outside the script"?
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> Root, or the same user can access the process
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> memory space
[2:59] <r00t|home> as soon as a process reads a password, it's pretty irrelevant if/where (in it's memory) it stores it, whoever could read it from there could also intercept it while it's entered
[2:59] <r00t|home> SpeedEvil: tell HIM, not me
[2:59] <r00t|home> SpeedEvil: tell GabrialDestruir, not me
[2:59] <Dagger2> of course, depending on how your server is set up just having PHP installed is a gaping security hole (and I actually can say that right now, since they still haven't fixed it!)
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> r00t - that wasn't aimed at you
[3:00] <r00t|home> ah, right, lol
[3:01] <r00t|home> why the hell do you capitalize the r in root?
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> I mean, more like from a user viewpoint, I figured it could be accessed via serverside, somehow.
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[3:04] <r00t|home> who the hell runs php via cgi anyway...
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[3:06] <RITRedbeard> ew
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> r00t|home: I could blame autocapitalisation, but that would be a lie.
[3:07] <r00t|home> SpeedEvil: my logic was, somebody stupid enough to capitalize root would also be confusing users in a conversation ;)
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> I'm mostly asleep, and typing under the blankets with my eyes closed.
[3:08] <r00t|home> damn right, 3:06 am...
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> Is there anyway at all to submit POST data via a link?
[3:08] <r00t|home> GabrialDestruir: javascript
[3:09] <r00t|home> (submit a (hidden) form when a link is clicked)
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> I was trying that, but the methods I found didn't seem to want to work... I suppose I somehow got the javascript wrong.
[3:10] <r00t|home> otherwise, the whole point is that POST can not be triggered by simply clicking a link or entering a url... you know, the side-effects thing...
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[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> Right... well crap. lol
[3:11] <r00t|home> but many sites submit forms using things other than submit buttons, so that _does_ work
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[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Well what page you see on my final project is indicated by POST info, and I'm trying to figure out how to do a navigation type thing.
[3:15] <lars_t_h> GabrialDestruir, you need to consider you link to be a kind of button, it activates some code, if HRML<5 probaly some AJAX code, with HTML>=5 you can also use a websocket if the webserver supports it
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[3:15] <lars_t_h> *s/HRML/HTML
[3:15] <r00t|home> rotterdam!
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[3:17] <r00t|home> (a fun project somebody wrote, a site where all navigation happens via encrypted data stored in forms and POSTED, tied to the client IP and user-agent, making it impossible to link to content)
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> That's an epic idea xD
[3:19] <r00t|home> the sad part is, there are real sites that get close to that
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[3:20] <r00t|home> (session based navigation, some even storing the session encrypted in a form field)
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when I'm working on a project, and things break because of simple mistakes. lol
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[3:26] <lars_t_h> GabrialDestruir, you are not the only one what wish that computers has an IQ bigger than zero - it is annoying that it blindly obeys your orders blindly
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> I just wish I could attach it all to my brain and directly interface that way
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> would make life so much easier if I wasn't restricted by the time it takes to type, and read and etc.
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[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> My coding is suffering from this whole POST stuff. lol
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[4:12] <indystor1> hey what other distros for raspberry pi are there other than the fedora remix?
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[4:14] <BenO> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... I hate when coding should work one way but doesn't work at all.
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[4:38] <corbomite> what are everyone's favorite servers other than freenode? i'm looking for science/engineering channels in particular.
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[5:22] <shirro> Why is everything I find that mentions egl and gles inevitably dependent on something like kms, drm, mesa, gem or fcking systemd!
[5:25] <mpthompson> Let me guess. Debian?
[5:25] <shirro> No. I keep looking for things to adapt to run on the Pi's GPU so I don't have to face the worlds slowest framebuffer
[5:26] <shirro> Just checked out kmscon and did a configure and it wants systemd to manage seats. Who the hell wants seat management on a $35 computer that fits in your pocket.
[5:27] <shirro> Anyway, kind of sick of the desktop focus of a lot of linux stuff - and in particular anything that smells of Intel or Redhat
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[5:29] <shirro> kind of scary that you built systemd for raspbian though. I would have left that for last
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> My PHP functions are failing the work properly -.-
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[5:33] <shirro> mpthompson: It would be really nice to have the broadcom vc stuff packaged. I am getting sick of setting up CFLAGS and LDFLAGS for EGL and GLES. Would be nice if there were pkgconfig files. And it wouldn't hurt to move the libs and includes out of opt and into /usr
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> to work*
[5:34] <shirro> mpthompson: do you intend to host custom packages or stay true to Debian?
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[5:44] <GabrialDestruir> return false; would give FALSE right?
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[5:55] <corbomite> ultimate question: has anyone run irc on an r-pi yet?
[5:55] <GabrialDestruir> Probably.
[5:57] <BenO> corbomite, irc clients, yes
[5:57] <shirro> corbomite: one of the first things a lot of people do
[5:57] <corbomite> certainly the first thing i'll do
[5:57] <corbomite> 5 years from now when i finally get my hands on one
[5:59] <GabrialDestruir> I should be getting mine in the next week or two
[5:59] <GabrialDestruir> probably after finals
[5:59] <GabrialDestruir> I can't get my functions to properly check against a database if something exists -.-
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> -sighs-
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[6:34] <mpthompson> shirro, sorry I got distracted by something. I intend for the Raspbian repository to stay true to Debian, but to host other repositories that will contain extra custom packages for the RPi.
[6:36] <mpthompson> I'm playing with the Mele A1000. My Chinese ain't so good :-).
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[6:43] <corbomite> what servers does everyone use other than freenode?
[6:45] <shirro> corbomite: sometimes use oftc. #linode is on there
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[6:50] <shirro> not to mention debian
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[6:53] <mpthompson> shirro, I got distracted earlier. Didn't mean to ignore your question.
[6:54] <mpthompson> So the framebuffer on the Pi is really that bad? Or, are you still using the iMX53 QSB?
[6:55] <shirro> it would be nice to use the gpu acceleration for a few more things. just looking for projects really. it is noticeably slower than the imx53.
[6:56] <mpthompson> Did you get your hands on an RPi?
[6:56] <shirro> yes, I have had mine for awhile. was in the first lot in oz
[6:56] <mpthompson> You lucky dog...
[6:57] <shirro> The F5 paid off
[6:57] <mpthompson> I'm working tonight with a Mele A1000 which I hope to use as a build system. Quite a nice little device for $80 US -- if I can get a kernel to fire up Debian.
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[6:59] <shirro> yes, it sounds like an interesting device. two arm boards side by side is my limit though. my wife might be a bit harsher than yours
[7:00] <mpthompson> Is there any known effort to create an xserver which utilizes GPU acceleration? I would think that would be very high on the Foundation's priorities.
[7:00] <mpthompson> My wife never goes into the basement. I tell here there are a lot of spiders down there.
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[7:01] <shirro> teh_orph on the forums is working on X but doesn't have a Pi yet
[7:01] <mpthompson> That would seem to hamper progress a bit.
[7:02] <des2> 'lot of spiders' lol
[7:02] <mpthompson> What does Android use for a display? I'm assuming it's nothing related to X.
[7:03] <shirro> I think he wants to write to write an EXA module and has looked at using DMA and gles.
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[7:03] <shirro> I think most things these days use a compositor and copy handles to opengl surfaces about
[7:04] <mpthompson> Well for X, you really want 2D acceleration for the most part. At least that is my understanding.
[7:04] <shirro> android and wayland pretty much do the same sort of thing I think.
[7:05] <shirro> mpthompson: 2d is a subset of 3d.
[7:06] <mpthompson> I've played around a bit with the Gosu gaming library. That uses OpenGL acceleration, but for 2D acceleration. Could be some ideas there to adapt to an X server. He also has an OpenGL ES port for the iPhone.
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[7:08] <mpthompson> That will be a big handicap if a suitable xserver doesn't emerge eventually. I think most people can live with running only an application or two to fit in memory. But fighting slow graphics will really be a drag on the RPi. Particularly with kids who have already been programmed to expect game-like performance from computers.
[7:08] <shirro> I think it might help if X could just copy and move rectangles around faster. DMA can help there but would only pay off above a certain size and I think there is locking and stuff. Going with opengl is a bit of an all or nothing thing. Is all a bit much for me. I am just trying to get the basics of opengl sorted
[7:09] <mpthompson> It's a bit much for me. My main graphics experience on Unix/Linux was on Sun3's or the first SparcStations. I guess I should feel right at home on the Pi then.
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[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v cjoe
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Guest94380
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Mycroft_
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Pro7__
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v GeorgeH
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v tzanth
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v uen|
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v grbzlh
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Maccer
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v nighty^
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v choffee
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v MidnighToker
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v bwidmer
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Elfish
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v nopz
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode +v moosya
[7:23] * PiBot (~Raspberry@c-50-136-49-102.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) Quit (Excess Flood)
[7:23] <shirro> PiBot is going to crash hard when they come back
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[7:24] <shirro> That was predictable
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[7:24] <shirro> Poor old PiBot
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[7:36] <DaQatz> lol
[7:37] <DaQatz> Pibot has flood protect, but it was tued to another server
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[7:40] <Jak_o_Shadows> hey, i wasn't +v'd
[7:41] <DaQatz> Bot got shot
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[8:56] <BenO> Woo, finally! A textured triangle w/ python opengl es! :) I can go to sleep now
[8:57] <huene> sleep? no. i have to go to work
[8:57] <DaQatz> Work?!? it's 3am. It's time to go to bed. Have to be up by 5am.
[8:58] <huene> it's 9 o clock in the morning here
[8:58] <huene> almost
[9:00] <jardiamj> hey guys, how is it going? did you all get pi[e] yet?
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[9:01] <huene> no. still didn't
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[9:01] <jardiamj> well, I've been waiting for a couple of months already..
[9:03] <jardiamj> and finally I got a message from Farnell that my rasp pi has been shipped, but they sent no tracking number, and I couldn't find it in their website either
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[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> tracking numbers.... you people are so spoiled.
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[9:09] <jardiamj> ShiftPlusOne, lol...
[9:09] <ShiftPlusOne> (not standard practice here) If Farnell said they sent it, it's likely to be in your hands tomorrow.
[9:09] <jardiamj> I've been learning a lot of Python beauty while waiting for my pi, si it's been time well spent
[9:10] <ShiftPlusOne> (unless you got it from an overseas site or export)
[9:10] <jardiamj> ok, in their website says, click in the tracking number but that field is empty
[9:10] <jardiamj> yes, I got it from Farnell export, but it should not take very long
[9:11] <jardiamj> I'm on my way to prepare my sdcard, I think I'll go with Arch
[9:12] <jardiamj> and install a light window manager instead of a DE
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[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> good idea
[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> arch works great
[9:19] <ShiftPlusOne> (after a little tweaking)
[9:19] <jardiamj> what kind of tweaking you mean?
[9:20] <jardiamj> what are you using ShiftPlusOne?
[9:20] <ShiftPlusOne> change the hdmi_mode to suit your monitor, add a cmdline to show the bootup output in tty1, so that you can actually see it.
[9:20] <ShiftPlusOne> arch
[9:20] <jardiamj> ok, it must run faster than Debian or Fedora, doesn't it?
[9:21] <jardiamj> do you have a DE install?
[9:22] <ShiftPlusOne> don't think so... in console it's all pretty much the same... arch maybe has a few less background proccesses and be a bit lighter overall, but not sure if that reflects on performance.
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[9:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I have xfce and lxde, but I don't have much interest in X, so I spend most of the time in console.
[9:23] <jardiamj> I understand, I'm more familiar with Debian, that's what I use everyday, but my main concern was performance..
[9:23] <jardiamj> I read somewhere in the forums that Arch runs faster...
[9:23] <Ben64> ShiftPlusOne: you have a pi?
[9:24] <jardiamj> I'll probably install Openbox, I don't really need much of a DE
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[9:31] <GabrialDestruir> Having people recognize me from chats I haven't been in for years is just weird
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, yup
[9:37] <Ben64> can you play 1080p from console?
[9:37] <Ben64> cause for the most part, i wouldn't need a gui
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, haven't had luck using the hello_video example
[9:37] <Ben64> oh
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> but I haven't really had much of a chance yet, I have a dodgy keyboard which doesn't play well with pi
[9:38] <Ben64> i'd be happy with using my phone as a remote control (using ssh)
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> so, I am usually just sshed in.
[9:38] <Ben64> could watch anything over the network on the tv without getting up
[9:38] <Ben64> its the pinnacle of laziness
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> well try out OpenELEC and see how it goes
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[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I have it built, but haven't copied it to an SD card yet.
[9:39] <Ben64> i'm still waiting a couple months for my pi :(
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[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[9:39] <aditsu_with_pi> hi
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[9:39] <aditsu_with_pi> is it possible to power the pi from a mobile phone?
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[9:40] <mjr> doubtful
[9:40] <Ben64> if your phone has a powered usb port maybe
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the phone, I suppose... USB OTG might be doable?
[9:40] <Ben64> but it'd drain the battery pretty damn fast
[9:40] <mjr> even if it has, it's likely to be limited to 500mA
[9:40] <mjr> (or more likely lower)
[9:41] <mjr> and, yeah, it'd not last long
[9:42] <aditsu_with_pi> it works from a laptop, but that kinda defeats the purpose :p
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> an external battery works just fine, on the other hand.
[9:42] <aditsu_with_pi> yeah I may need to look into that
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10000mAh-External-Battery-Charger/dp/B005NGKR54
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> something like that
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> note that 10Ah is massive
[9:43] <Ben64> thats nice
[9:44] <Ben64> I'm going to make something like that
[9:44] <aditsu_with_pi> I think people were talking about a bunch of AA batteries + a 7805 regulator
[9:44] <Ben64> ordered some parts from TI the other day
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[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> AA batteries are kind of outdated, I think.
[9:45] <Ben64> 7805? : /
[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> and have crappy performance
[9:46] <mjr> there's value in ubiquity
[9:46] <aditsu_with_pi> oh wait, I actually have a solar+battery phone charger.. it didn't really work for my phone, but I can try it with the pi
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> what's wrong with 7805? O_o
[9:46] <Ben64> I got some fancier regulators
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> aditsu_with_pi, report how it goes, I am curious about those.
[9:46] <mjr> aditsu_with_pi, unless it's a relatively beefy one, I doubt it supplies enough
[9:47] <aditsu_with_pi> since it didn't work with my phone, chances are low, but I'll see
[9:47] <Ben64> 7805 is a linear regulator
[9:47] <Ben64> so it wastes power and makes it into heat
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> which you can then use to heat water, generate steam, power a turbine, generate electricity, and power the pi!
[9:48] <Ben64> ha
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> free energy right there
[9:48] <aditsu_with_pi> well, I know nothing about electronics, so 7805 sounds as good as anything :p
[9:49] <Ben64> or just use a switching regulator and save all that trouble
[9:50] <jardiamj> what about this: http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/07/nanotech-body-heat-technology-breakthroughs-devices.html
[9:50] <Ben64> that would be fantastic
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I forget, do linear regulators waste all the excess? For example, if you feed 10v at draw 500mA, will you be loosing 2.5W in heat?
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> *and
[9:51] <Ben64> ShiftPlusOne: yep
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> *losing
[9:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, then you'd want to be as close to the 5V as the regulator allows, a low dropout regulator would be good. Or yeah, just use a switching one
[9:53] <Ben64> i'm planning on using AA batteries
[9:53] <Ben64> they're very cheap and easy to deal with
[9:53] * ShiftPlusOne cringes
[9:53] <Ben64> no chance of explosion :)
[9:54] <Ben64> they're rechargeable batteries though
[9:54] <aditsu_with_pi> "B. Connect the charger to the computer with UBS line" (sic)
[9:54] <ShiftPlusOne> "no chance of explosion" ? read "no fun"!
[9:55] <Ben64> ~1hr of pi time per AA battery
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> based on what?
[9:55] <aditsu_with_pi> http://xkcd.com/651/ :)
[9:55] <Ben64> math
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, using what figures I mean? the specifications are bs
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[9:56] <mjr> sounds rather optimistic
[9:56] <Ben64> ~3.5 watt-hour per AA
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[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, good luck
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (in a non sarcastic way)
[9:58] <aditsu_with_pi> I wonder if one could make a hot-swappable AA battery power pack
[9:58] <mjr> sure
[9:58] <Ben64> giant capacitor
[9:59] <mjr> or two alternating packs
[9:59] <aditsu_with_pi> batteries running out? just replace and keep going :)
[9:59] <Ben64> or put a crazy amount of AAs
[9:59] <Ben64> 10*1.5 = 15V
[9:59] <Ben64> could remove a bunch and have no problem
[9:59] <Ben64> just need to keep it >5
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[10:00] <aditsu_with_pi> yeah that was my idea.. except I was thinking 6
[10:00] <aditsu_with_pi> (9v)
[10:01] <mjr> Ben64, would have to have something to short the terminals of a battery slot immediately upon release though
[10:01] <Ben64> hmm
[10:01] <mjr> and probably a (smaller) cap
[10:02] <Ben64> ok that sounds complicated now
[10:03] <aditsu_with_pi> a switch for each battery (that you can toggle before removing it) could work
[10:03] <Ben64> would be easier to put a barrel jack in and just plug it into the wall for a minute to change the batteries out
[10:03] <Ben64> but you wouldn't want to short the battery while it's in
[10:04] <aditsu_with_pi> it would disconnect the battery when switching
[10:04] <Ben64> oh i think i get it
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[10:05] <Ben64> so 6 batteries, 6 dpst switches
[10:05] <mjr> the alternating parallel packs would praobably be a better choice
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[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Ben64, a quick check... a duracell procell alkaline battery has about 2Wh (actually measured), 1875mAh, which isn't TOO bad. That's at 250mA and would drop off with higher currents.
[10:10] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, charging my "solar charger" now
[10:11] <Ben64> i have 2500mah rechargeables
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[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> (or so they claim)
[10:12] <Hourd> morning all
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[10:13] <aditsu_with_pi> afternoon
[10:13] <Hourd> how is everyone?
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[10:15] <aditsu_with_pi> not too bad
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[10:17] <mjr> obviously, since you're with pi ;]
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[10:17] <zag> any xbmc binaries around
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got openelec built which I could upload
[10:18] <zag> thats whole image?
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, you'll need to partition the card and copy some files
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> You'll have to pick up where I left off (http://openelec.tv/news/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2)
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> or just build it yourself, it's pretty painless, just takes ages.
[10:20] <zag> yeh im part of the xbmc team so just talking to them also
[10:20] <zag> there are some modded themes to make it run faster in the works
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[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> openelec is also nice since it doesn't depend on ubuntu and is just the minimum required for xbmc to work
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> so, no inherited bload.
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> *bloat
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[10:27] <Hourd> <3 my pi
[10:27] <Hourd> going to get a small powered hub later
[10:28] * Hourd is running his pi on a usb powered screen
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, that works well?
[10:35] <Hourd> well the power for the screen isnt comign from the pi. it will be from hub when i get it later. but i have borrowed one and an running it at work fine
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> what screen is it?
[10:36] <Hourd> gechic something or other
[10:36] <Hourd> 13.3" 1366x768 hdmi+vga usb powered screen
[10:37] <Hourd> pretty nice, i had it to dual screen my laptop
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> looks interesting
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you just hang it on your laptop and fold it out?
[10:38] <zag> wow web browsing is slow on this thing!
[10:39] <fALSO> like everything
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> actual browsing or rendering?
[10:39] <fALSO> rendering because there isnt STILL a working 2d driver
[10:39] <fALSO> i start to wonder if there will ever be one
[10:39] <Hourd> ShiftPlusOne: yeah it has sucktion cups on it so sticks to the back of the screen
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[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Hourd, neat
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[10:40] <xranby> technically there is a 2d driver included the openvg drivers bug no software is using it
[10:40] <Hourd> it is actually really nice
[10:40] <Hourd> great when coding as i put it on a table next to the laptop and have it portrait mode
[10:41] * ShiftPlusOne resists the urge to buy more things which sound cool, but has no need for.
[10:41] <Hourd> :P
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, a bit more than I can afford right now... lucky.
[10:42] * Hourd is going to try and have his entire pi setup running off of 1 plug or battery pack (including screen)
[10:43] <aditsu_with_pi> I still haven't connected any monitor to my pi :/
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, as falso almost correctly pointed out, it's just a lack of an accelerated X driver. Elinks, for example, should work fine.
[10:43] <Hourd> aditsu_with_pi: just ssh into it?
[10:43] <aditsu_with_pi> will try to get an adapter today
[10:44] <fALSO> lack of X driver, lack of sound driver
[10:44] <fALSO> lack of any support
[10:44] <aditsu_with_pi> Hourd: yes I did, it's working great (though not fast :p)
[10:44] <Hourd> its pretty good for what it is :P
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, spread more misonformation which you have been corrected on (there is plenty of support and there is a sound driver) and you're banned.
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[10:45] <aditsu_with_pi> have managed not to lock myself out of ssh :)
[10:45] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[10:45] <Hourd> hehe
[10:45] <Hourd> i've got to say i'm pretty impressed with the rpi
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> *misinformation
[10:46] <Hourd> just have to be sensible with what you try and power from it, and there is a small amount of lag when running the lxde desktop
[10:46] <Hourd> which i can deal with as lol look what its running on
[10:47] * mjr thinks fALSO is pretty polite though what with mentioning right out in his nick what he's about, but kicking him does still seem a good idea
[10:47] <fALSO> well im still waiting to see if I should buy one
[10:48] <mjr> no, you shouldn't
[10:48] <ShiftPlusOne> you should if you have an interest in development and learning. You shouldn't if you want to play games on it or build a supercomputer.
[10:49] <fALSO> im a developer
[10:49] <fALSO> but Im just waiting at least for a 2d driver
[10:49] <fALSO> i dont have the knowledge for kernel hacking
[10:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's sensible.
[10:49] <fALSO> i've done a bit of that, but on openbsd, its much simpler than linux
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind it has barely been almost kind of released. It's still a developer release intended to get the software up to scratch before the proper release. And even still, very few people have them, so it will still be a while before it's nice and polished. Considering all of that, it's in a very impressive state already.
[10:51] <fALSO> my idea was really that, port the PI to openbsd :-)
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[10:51] <fALSO> non-oficially at least, because theo wont aproove it
[10:52] <fALSO> because of the BLOBS
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I see there are a few openbsd arm ports
[10:53] <mjr> oh yeah, I bet he wouldn't
[10:53] <mjr> the Broadcom blob on the GPU could subvert the whole system
[10:53] <fALSO> shiftplusone, yap, there a are a few..., it should be "sort of" easy to port it
[10:54] <Hourd> would be interesting to see
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[10:58] <fALSO> well, there is time :)
[10:59] <Hourd> i'm going to be throwing mine with debian on, into my robot, as a remote/live development platform
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[11:02] <fALSO> i've been playing with a arduino in the last few days
[11:02] <fALSO> learning some electronics
[11:02] <fALSO> made my first "binary counter"
[11:03] <fALSO> with leds
[11:03] <fALSO> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZqCnHfRPk
[11:04] <Hourd> yeah arduinos are cool
[11:04] <Hourd> i will be having my rpi connected to a bunch of ATtinys to offhand tasks
[11:04] <fALSO> well its really easy, even to who never did anything with electronics
[11:05] <fALSO> yesterday i "learned" about "variable resistors"
[11:05] <fALSO> they are called potentionmeters
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> still, good progress... many people blink an LED and don't do anything else.
[11:05] <fALSO> hehe
[11:05] <fALSO> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1010544/ceninha.jpg <- yesterday
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> or just 'pots'
[11:05] <fALSO> found that "display" on the trash LOL
[11:06] <fALSO> its pretty nice, looks a bit "STEAMPUNK" eheh
[11:06] <Hourd> nice
[11:06] <Hourd> yeah alot of people do blink, or turn a strip of leds on with a pot
[11:06] <Hourd> and leave it at that
[11:07] <fALSO> what is a "POT" ?
[11:07] <fALSO> sorry english isnt my main language
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, short for "potentiometer"
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[11:07] <fALSO> ahh!!!!!!
[11:07] <fALSO> sorry :-P
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> often you'll hear people just say 'pots', so it's good to know
[11:07] <fALSO> now i've found that also exists... digital 'pots'
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[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> that they're not talking about cuttlery
[11:07] <fALSO> trying to find one on ebay :-)
[11:08] <fALSO> im trying to learn how all these stuff work
[11:09] <fALSO> so that i can do a "gameboy advance" rom dumper
[11:09] <fALSO> with the arduino
[11:09] <JaLu> fALSO is that a grinder in the background
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but having a goal is good to help stay focused.
[11:10] <fALSO> jalu, nice eye :-P
[11:10] <fALSO> jalu, yes, I like them herbs :-)
[11:10] <JaLu> you knew more about "POTs" than you led us to believe
[11:10] <fALSO> hahahahahahahah
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[11:12] <fALSO> need to find a good book, like "electronics for dummies" or anything like that
[11:12] <fALSO> i want to learn more about resistors hehe
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[11:13] <Hourd> get the arduino projects book
[11:13] <Hourd> erm.... arduino for mad scientics or something along those lines
[11:14] <Hourd> "30 arduino projects for the evil genius"
[11:14] <fALSO> ok, thanks :-D
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[11:15] <Hourd> fyi, i dont have it myself, i have just been recomended it by several different people
[11:15] <JaLu> im gonna give the book a look
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> at the end, it will come down to being able to understand datasheets
[11:16] <JaLu> squeeze it in between CCNA and learning Japanese.
[11:16] <Hourd> yeah datasheets....
[11:16] <Hourd> can either be really good, or "oh god oh god what do i do?!?!?"
[11:16] <fALSO> i've had my dose of datasheets
[11:16] <fALSO> i've read a lot of one
[11:16] <fALSO> the RTC chip on my SGI O2
[11:17] <fALSO> i added support for the alarm feature of it, on OpenBSD :-)
[11:17] <des2> You have an Internet, why do you need a book ?
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[11:17] <fALSO> most of the tutorials , just say: DO THIS
[11:17] <fALSO> dont explain why
[11:17] <fALSO> i want to understand the stuff, not just mimic what others do
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I have the same problem trying to learn about radio circuits
[11:18] <fALSO> huhuuh radio
[11:18] <fALSO> you guys heard about this:
[11:18] <fALSO> rtl-sdr ?
[11:18] <fALSO> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[11:19] <fALSO> i've bought a device of those, waiting for it to arrive
[11:19] <fALSO> going to try to "hear" the police, and the fireman
[11:19] <fALSO> and maybe the airplanes :-)
[11:20] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, I think there were some people discussing similar things, so there are people here who are knowledgable in that area.
[11:20] * Hourd wants a software radio
[11:20] <fALSO> its really cheap
[11:20] <fALSO> mine was like 17??? from dealextreme
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[11:21] <fALSO> cant wait to do something useless with it :-)
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[11:22] <Hourd> hehe
[11:23] <fALSO> i've seen a few guys "sniffing" for example, "BEEPER" messages with that
[11:23] <fALSO> i know that today no one uses beepers, but its still pretty awesome
[11:23] <des2> Wow that SDR is cheap
[11:23] <fALSO> it can also "hear" GSM
[11:24] <fALSO> let wait and see if its possible to "sniff" sms too :-)
[11:25] <fALSO> that a DVB-T/FM chip
[11:25] <fALSO> that was "hacked" and now allows much more frequencys hehe
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[11:31] <Hourd> with regards to video on the pi... is there anything specific i will need to do to play h.264 mkvs?
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[11:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> RPi up and running
[11:38] <ironzorg> stop bragging
[11:38] <haltdef> hoping I can bootstrap a raspbian install for mine when it arrives
[11:39] <haltdef> seems the software packages I need have been built for it, though I can't imagine them benefitting much from hardfloat
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
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[12:05] <DDave> fALSO: can you please give me the link to the dealextreme "deal" ?
[12:06] <fALSO> ddave, youre from europe ?
[12:06] <DDave> Ive ordered on dealextreme before, Id just like the item ;)
[12:06] <DDave> But yes
[12:06] <fALSO> you can get one here from germany- at the same price +- http://shop.sysmocom.de/products/eztv668-bulk
[12:07] <fALSO> let me check the reference from the dealextreme one
[12:07] <fALSO> wait, let me login
[12:07] <fALSO> ddave, -> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-dongle-stick-with-fm-dab-dab-44326
[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> tried out openelec finally. works great on the hdmi monitor. not having much luck with composite out
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> damn "Item is temporarily sold out."
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[12:10] <fALSO> yap
[12:10] <fALSO> mine has already been shipped
[12:10] <fALSO> waited for like... 1month
[12:11] <ollymorfik_> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-fm-dab-remote-controller-92096
[12:11] <ollymorfik_> instock
[12:11] <ollymorfik_> think tharts the exact link i used to buy mine
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> there are some on ebay as well
[12:12] <ollymorfik_> if you used the old link on reddit... yeah thats been out of stock since it hit reddit
[12:12] <fALSO> it just needs to be that rtl chip
[12:12] <ollymorfik_> i doubt you'll find one on ebay for 20$
[12:12] <ollymorfik_> they all seem to be marking them up atleast 10$ last i checked
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but at least you'll know when to expect it
[12:13] <ollymorfik_> from ebay? HAH
[12:14] <ollymorfik_> like you've never seen things misleading on ebay :P
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> as an ebay seller, I find your lack of faith disturbing.
[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> (but yeah)
[12:16] <ollymorfik_> dad bought me a grain of gold for 20$ thinking it was a gram worth ~50$
[12:16] <DDave> fALSO: german?
[12:16] <fALSO> im Portuguese
[12:16] <DDave> hahah, ola :D
[12:16] <ollymorfik_> haha a grain is only about ~3$
[12:16] <fALSO> but that url that I showed you, its from germany
[12:16] <DDave> Living in germany right now, but im portuguese too
[12:17] <fALSO> its much quicker than dealextreme surely
[12:17] <fALSO> ddave, nice :-D
[12:17] <DDave> :)
[12:17] <rm> http://www.buyincoins.com/details/digital-tv-hdtv-dvb-t-usb-stick-dongle-tuner-recorder-receiver-product-70.html
[12:17] <DDave> Obrigado for the links, Ill have a look at it
[12:17] <rm> I have this one
[12:17] <DDave> I got Ramstein Air Force very close to me, think I could listen in? :D
[12:17] <rm> but it's soon to become completely useless, because the govt decided to switch to DVB-T2 instead
[12:17] <ollymorfik_> hey i know a german hardware hacking site that sells those dongles
[12:18] <ollymorfik_> cant remember but i know theres a seller of rtl dongles in .de
[12:18] <rm> why does it have to be rtl?
[12:19] <ollymorfik_> because
[12:19] <zag> Anyone got a quick guide to installing postgre sql on debian?
[12:19] <Hourd> sudo apt-get install postgresql
[12:20] <Hourd> sorry in one of those moods :P
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[12:32] <fALSO> ddave, probably
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[12:33] <fALSO> ddave, dont know if you check reddit
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[12:33] <fALSO> but theres a subreddit just for that
[12:33] <fALSO> wait
[12:33] <fALSO> http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/
[12:34] <ollymorfik_> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
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[12:35] <ollymorfik_> can always join ##rtlsdr
[12:35] <ollymorfik_> :P
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[12:59] <DDave> fALSO: do I need some kind of an antenna with it?
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[12:59] <DDave> I suppose so :/
[13:00] <fALSO> the one i bought from dealextrem comes with antena and remote control lol
[13:00] <DDave> :D
[13:00] <DDave> customas estar aqui no channel?
[13:01] <fALSO> yap
[13:01] <fALSO> mas ja me odeiam um bocado por falar um bocado mal do pi :-P
[13:02] <DDave> :D
[13:02] <DDave> --> query
[13:02] <DDave> or people are gonna slaughter us :(
[13:04] <fALSO> hehehe
[13:04] <fALSO> :-P
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[13:20] <techman2> evening all
[13:20] <Veryevil> afternoon
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[13:34] <techman2> tis quiet in here.
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[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[13:37] <techman2> sorry.
[13:37] * techman2 gets back in his box.
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[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's ok, you've ruined it now.
[13:38] <techman2> I would have expected the channel to be getting noisier about now.
[13:38] <techman2> lol
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[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> that should help
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> boo..
[13:39] <techman2> heh
[13:40] <techman2> I have noticed the numbers have increased in here a bit lately
[13:40] <techman2> close to 400 in here sometimes
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[13:45] <SpeedEvil> And the most frequent whestion as always - where at all the pies. (to the appropriate tune)
[13:45] <techman2> yes of course
[13:45] <ReggieUK> where at?
[13:45] <ReggieUK> or who ate?
[13:45] <techman2> mine should be here in about 3 weeks.
[13:46] <techman2> :)
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[13:47] <techman2> looking forward to it
[13:47] <aditsu_with_pi> I know where mine is
[13:47] <techman2> let me guess..
[13:47] <techman2> with you?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> Pi's in the wild...
[13:48] <IT_Sean> a Pie in the hand is worth two in the post?
[13:48] <IT_Sean> *Pi
[13:49] <techman2> a pi in the hand is worth ridiculous amounts on ebay?
[13:50] <IT_Sean> I like mine better
[13:50] <techman2> aww
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> the ebay prices are fluctuating.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> However, I have a Pi in the hand and another in the post :)
[13:51] <IT_Sean> You greedy bastard! :p
[13:51] <IT_Sean> Can i have the 2nd one!?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[13:51] <IT_Sean> I haven't even been able to order one yet.
[13:51] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, that solar charger is useless
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. My one on order was placed round about 6pm on the 29th.
[13:52] <aditsu_with_pi> I mean...
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> I mis-read the notice and thought it was 6pm and not 6am )-:
[13:52] <aditsu_with_pi> ShiftPlusOne: ok, that solar charger is useless
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> don't think I'd try to run a Pi on Solar...
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> not in the UK anyway ;-)
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[13:52] <aditsu_with_pi> it has a battery and charges via usb too
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> aditsu_with_pi, ah =(
[13:53] <IT_Sean> You won't be able to run a pi directly off solar. You will need a battery to act as a buffer.
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> saw something here earlier about binary counting on an arduino, so just done it on the Pi for a bit of fun.
[13:53] <aditsu_with_pi> yes it has that, it's just what I call it
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/binary.rtb
[13:54] <aditsu_with_pi> ShiftPlusOne: a better charger could work though, I think mine is just crap
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> in basci of-course ;-)
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> er, basic..
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> a 20W panel with a big battery and charging circuit might work..
[13:55] <ollymorfik_> heh
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> theres someone on ebay selling kits - is that what your on about?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> ebay item 290707271858
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[13:58] <aditsu_with_pi> gordonDrogon: oh that looks pretty cool
[14:00] <TopherBrink> my second pi arrived. joy.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> the ebay thing or the BASIC?
[14:00] * gordonDrogon thinks it's probably the ebay thing :)
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> off to see a client.. the joys of work, etc.
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[14:05] <aditsu_with_pi> yay the monitor adapter is working, I can finally "see" the pi :)
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[14:06] <tzarc> ugh, work ftl
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[14:09] <aditsu_with_pi> odd, tty2 is missing
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[14:10] <shirro> someone edited the inittab and took the 2nd getty and changed it to the serial console
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> wasn't it always like that?
[14:11] <shirro> So X goes there. It isn't how I usually have things set up. I usually have 1-6 running a console
[14:11] <shirro> I changed mine and made tty1 autologin
[14:11] <techman2> hey shirro
[14:12] <shirro> hi.
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[14:20] <aditsu_with_pi> how to configure X on the pi?
[14:22] <shirro> It should just work but it isn't started by default on Debian so you have to startx
[14:22] <Guest94380> hrm
[14:22] <aditsu_with_pi> shirro: I'm using Arch
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[14:23] <Matt> better
[14:23] <TopherBrink> find the "beginners guide" for arch linux it takes you through getting x running, etc
[14:24] <shirro> ok, missed the rest of the conversation. been there done the compiling everything from scratch 20 years ago. too old for that now
[14:24] <TopherBrink> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#Graphical_User_Interface
[14:24] <aditsu_with_pi> TopherBrink: all the instructions I found involve lspci to find the driver, but lspci doesn't work
[14:25] <shirro> there is no pci is why
[14:26] <TopherBrink> there was a quick start guide on the raspi site at one point
[14:26] <shirro> the driver is fbdev anyway
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[14:27] <ReggieUK> I believe SpeedEvil has a fair amount of knowledge on solar panels if anyone is still interested?
[14:27] <TopherBrink> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/746
[14:27] <Matt> solar powered pi?
[14:27] <IT_Sean> you still need a battery, i say
[14:27] <ReggieUK> battery or possibly a super-cap
[14:28] <IT_Sean> Aye.
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[14:28] <ReggieUK> but yeah, something to regulate the power properly along with the battery + some overcharge gubbins and something to stop darkness leeching power back
[14:29] <IT_Sean> yes.
[14:29] <IT_Sean> Must keep the electrons from misbehaving.
[14:29] <IT_Sean> mischievous little bastards they are.
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[14:29] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm mainly interested in a battery pack for the pi, solar is purely optional
[14:29] <Matt> my little brother has been busy putting them in his microscope
[14:30] <NoReflex> hello! I just installed arch and xfce on a Raspberry PI. which video driver can be used?
[14:31] <aditsu_with_pi> NoReflex: fbdev was mentioned just before
[14:31] <Crenn-NAS> Hmmm....
[14:31] <NoReflex> aditsu_with_pi, thank you; I didn't catch that message - just joined
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[14:34] <aditsu_with_pi> NoReflex: if you get it to work, please let me know how :)
[14:35] <NoReflex> the interface did load up; however the resolution is 800x600 on my FullHD screen connected via HDMI
[14:36] <NoReflex> I installed xfce4 and xorg-server with pacman
[14:36] <zgreg> a switching regulator addon would be pretty much needed for battery powered pis
[14:36] <aditsu_with_pi> NoReflex: I haven't configured X yet
[14:37] <shirro> xorg should use whatever size framebuffer is there if you have no xorg.conf. if you type fbset what mode does it return?
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[14:37] <aditsu_with_pi> command not found: fbset
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[14:38] <shirro> pity I don't know how to search pacman for the right package
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[14:38] <aditsu_with_pi> (different topic) hmm python is not available in Arch?!
[14:38] <aditsu_with_pi> looks like I need to compile it
[14:38] <Caver> seems very unlikely!
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[14:38] <aditsu_with_pi> failed retrieving file 'python2-2.7.3 ...'
[14:39] <aditsu_with_pi> (404 error)
[14:39] <shirro> you can try /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
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[14:40] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, I can compile it, I'm just very surprised
[14:40] <shirro> it should give you the mode. then you can change config.txt if you need to override what it is detecting
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[14:41] <aditsu_with_pi> tvservice? what is that?!
[14:41] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, it can't open libvcos.so
[14:41] <NoReflex> aditsu_with_pi, I installed xf86-video-fbdev
[14:41] <aditsu_with_pi> NoReflex: me too
[14:41] <shirro> tvservice is one of the binaries supplied by broadcom/rpf
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[14:41] <shirro> it will be with the broadcom libs and includes
[14:42] <janua> On the Arch Linux ARM website, it lists RaspberryPi as using ARMv6, but searching the packages only shows packages for ARMv5 and ARMv7, which package would be compatible with the Pi?
[14:42] <shirro> if it can't find a lib it is because ld.conf doesn't know how to find the libs
[14:42] <shirro> in debian we have the image configured with a file in /etc/ld..conf.d toadd the path
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[14:44] <IT_Sean> hmm... 12v supply supplying 0.12v. That's not going to work....
[14:44] * IT_Sean throws it in the bin
[14:44] <Matt> quite
[14:45] * IT_Sean has a meeting
[14:45] <IT_Sean> back in a bit
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[14:45] <aditsu_with_pi> are you sure it's v and not %? :)
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[14:45] <ReggieUK> sure it doesn't need a load to actually start punting out 12v?
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[15:05] <ShiftPlusOne> what'd I miss?
[15:05] <Matt> not much
[15:05] <Matt> IT_Sean has a meeting
[15:05] <Caver> it's very exciting
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[15:06] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
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[15:07] <Matt> bacon waffles? :)
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> well.. I am stuck with oats... which I shall go make now.
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> 'cause it's easier to eat horse food than to learn to cook.
[15:09] <gregrob1> Goat's milk cheddar grilled cheese sandwich.
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[15:11] <aditsu_with_pi> what's the "OK" LED on the Pi?
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[15:12] <kallisti5> ReggieUK: haha... was just thinking same thing
[15:13] <Matt> it's an LED to tell you it's OK?
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> aditsu_with_pi, I've been told it lights up when you press the OK button.
[15:13] <aditsu_with_pi> Matt: well, what is OK?
[15:14] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm not pressing anything, yet it keeps blinking
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ...and there's no OK button
[15:14] <Matt> I dunno :)
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> but I think it might be either an IO indicator or cpu load
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's IO, but it's just a guess
[15:14] <aditsu_with_pi> IO indicator makes sense
[15:14] <aditsu_with_pi> the pattern is like an HDD LED
[15:16] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm also wondering about the 10M LED and why it is on..
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> could try dding some stuff to /dev/null or from /dev/zero
[15:17] <fALSO> you guys know any european electronics online shops ?
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[15:17] <fALSO> that a "normal" person can order, not a company
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> well... farnell.
[15:17] <fALSO> want to buy a few eeproms
[15:17] <ReggieUK> MAPLIN
[15:18] <fALSO> ok thanks!
[15:18] <ReggieUK> coolcomponents
[15:18] <fALSO> going to check their shipping prices
[15:18] <ReggieUK> sk-pang
[15:18] <fALSO> i was trying digikey
[15:18] <ReggieUK> proto-pic
[15:18] <fALSO> what i was buying was 4???
[15:18] <fALSO> and they wanted 18??? for shipping
[15:18] <fALSO> LOL
[15:18] <kevc> do rs components do direct to public sales?
[15:18] <kevc> there's also Farnell
[15:18] <ReggieUK> you're better off with the last 3, maplin probably won't have what you want
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[15:18] <ReggieUK> the other 3 are like sparkfun
[15:19] <fALSO> ok: thank you
[15:19] <normod> elfa is good too
[15:19] <aditsu_with_pi> waah I think my pi is overwhelmed
[15:19] <ReggieUK> http://proto-pic.co.uk/
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> aditsu_with_pi, by its' awesomeness?
[15:19] <fALSO> going to check which ones ship to portugal :)
[15:19] <ReggieUK> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/
[15:20] <ReggieUK> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/index.php
[15:20] <aditsu_with_pi> it's so busy that it's having a hard time responding to the keyboard
[15:20] <aditsu_with_pi> although I can still switch ttys
[15:20] <Caver> aditsu_with_pi, the 10M light, changes colour depending which network speed it's connected too
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[15:21] <aditsu_with_pi> it doesn't help much that I'm colorblind :p
[15:21] <normod> fALSO: https://www.elfa.se/elfa3~eu_en/elfa/init.do?toc=19982
[15:21] <Caver> usually orange/green depending if it is 10/100
[15:22] <aditsu_with_pi> it looks yellow right now
[15:22] <aditsu_with_pi> but could be some shade of green, I can't tell :p
[15:22] <ReggieUK> build an ambient light sensor
[15:22] <aditsu_with_pi> the power LED is orange though
[15:24] <aditsu_with_pi> oh man, how hard IS it to compress the python package?!
[15:24] <Caver> gzip python :)
[15:24] <aditsu_with_pi> it's been working at it for at least 10 min now
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[15:24] <aditsu_with_pi> I think it's making an xz
[15:24] <Caver> ah .. heheh yeah python has a *lot* of libraries these days
[15:24] <Caver> (part of what makes it do useful)
[15:25] <Caver> *so
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[15:26] <aditsu_with_pi> I wish I could "distcc" more than just the compile commands
[15:26] <fALSO> you can
[15:26] <fALSO> with OpenMosix
[15:26] <fALSO> i think
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[15:27] <fALSO> huhuh it ended
[15:27] <fALSO> http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
[15:27] <fALSO> didnt knew that
[15:27] <aditsu_with_pi> 4 years ago..
[15:27] * IT_Sean thinks the LEDs should have been red. it is a raspberrypi, afterall!
[15:27] <fALSO> im old :-X
[15:28] <fALSO> well aditsu_with_pi it still exists
[15:28] <fALSO> with another name
[15:28] <fALSO> http://linuxpmi.org/trac/
[15:28] <Matt> I was just about to say :)
[15:29] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: A soldering iron and some parts can fix that
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Crenn-NAS: i'm rubbish at SMT stuff
[15:29] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: I'm soon going to learn how to do it well
[15:29] <Matt> IT_Sean: but you have EE's at your $ork, no? :)
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't be rubbish at SMT, unless it's an annoying or extremely small package. It comes down to what equipment you have.
[15:30] <Crenn-NAS> Anyway, time for sleep, it's 11:30PM and I have to get up at 5:30AM
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[15:30] <aditsu_with_pi> a soldering iron can (in my case) most likely turn the pi into an amorphous smoking blob
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Matt: i'm not going to ask our production staff to work on a personal project for me. they are busy enough as it is.
[15:30] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, "if you want something done, give it to a busy person"
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> which I think is horrible advice, but still.
[15:31] <IT_Sean> I'll do it myself. I'l just have to be reeeeeeeealy careful.
[15:31] <aditsu_with_pi> is you want to get stabbed, give an extra task to a busy person
[15:31] <aditsu_with_pi> if*
[15:32] * IT_Sean does not wish to get stabbed with a soldering iron
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, wouldn't want to daniel up your board.
[15:33] <aditsu_with_pi> ahaha, new verb
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> And a new phrase is born! :D
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i don't want to daniel it. I'll probably leave the LEDs alone.
[15:34] <Crenn-NAS> aditsu_with_pi: danieldaniel, is that you?
[15:34] <aditsu_with_pi> Crenn-NAS: nope, I know to keep the soldering iron away from the Pi
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[15:34] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok
[15:35] <IT_Sean> hey... is the GPIO header spaced properly for a floppy / IDE ribbon cable?
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[15:35] <BenO> IT_Sean, Floppy -> yes
[15:35] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: Yes, 0.1" header
[15:35] <IT_Sean> SWEEET!
[15:35] <aditsu_with_pi> :o
[15:36] <BenO> I think an IDE cable has a filled in header in an awkward place
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[15:36] <BenO> but floppy definitely works
[15:36] <aditsu_with_pi> so you can finally get the sound working eh?
[15:37] <aditsu_with_pi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE
[15:37] * IT_Sean has a pile of floppy cables lying around. :D
[15:37] <Matt> BenO: depends on your cable
[15:37] <Matt> there are three sets of keying mechs
[15:37] <BenO> Matt, true :)
[15:37] <Crenn-NAS> I have F-F prototyping wire available for such things ;P
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> Floppy cables have a use again... awesome. :p
[15:39] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: After all these years
[15:39] <BenO> IT_Sean, --> http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/raspberry-pis-onboard-serial-connection/
[15:39] <BenO> second pic down
[15:39] * Matt has been using floppy drives up until quite recently
[15:40] <Matt> and I still run across the older box that can't boot from USB for doing firmware flashes
[15:40] <Matt> also, win2k3's installer can only pick up 3rd party drivers from floppy
[15:40] <Matt> and not everyone has moved to 2k8 yet
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[15:44] <aditsu_with_pi> sigh... still "compressing package"
[15:44] <IT_Sean> sounds painful
[15:44] <IT_Sean> O_O
[15:45] <mervaka> damn IDC connectors
[15:45] <mervaka> dont want to come apart without force :/
[15:45] <aditsu_with_pi> waiting to see what the load average is (will take a while to respond)
[15:46] * IT_Sean hands mervaka a hammer
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[15:46] <mervaka> cheers
[15:46] <mervaka> might just snip the ribbon with scissors though
[15:46] <mervaka> 14:45:20 up 6:11, 1 user, load average: 0.60, 0.48, 0.53
[15:46] <mervaka> mmm
[15:47] <mervaka> lots of rrdtool graphs
[15:47] <mervaka> every 5 minutes
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[15:49] <BenO> Anyone here have OpenGL ES 2.0 experience? And want to try something out on their Pi?
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[15:54] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I heard of opengl :p does that count?
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[15:55] <shirro> BenO: am interested
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[15:59] <BenO> https://github.com/benosteen/pyopengles
[15:59] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, shirro ^^
[15:59] <rm> f*ckers from RS taunt me every week with an E-Mail informing me how I can't order yet
[15:59] <BenO> If you grab that and put it onto the Pi, try running "Hello_Monkey.py"
[16:00] <shirro> Oh, python :-( I will have a look anyway but probably tomorrow
[16:00] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm still waiting for the pi to compress the python package
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[16:01] <BenO> shirro, It's mostly C-like - I'm trying to work out why it has depth-render issues
[16:01] <aditsu_with_pi> I wonder if ABS has some options to disable compression or something
[16:02] <DrHorrible_KingO> trying to find some sort of extender/cable for the sd slot
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[16:02] <shirro> BenO: yeah, I saw peter's thing. It maps 1-1 with c which is nice
[16:03] <TopherBrink> wondering about the lifespan of the rpi sd slot with all the sd card swapping
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[16:04] <shirro> BenO: see what you mean by the depth missing
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[16:05] <BenO> shirro, I'm learning as I go and I'm not sure where/what the problem is at the moment
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[16:08] <BenO> shirro, I think it's something in the texture flags/parameters but don't understand them to any real degree yet
[16:14] <grbzlh> BenO: what about it doesn't work?
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[16:21] <aditsu_with_pi> finally got the load average, after suspending makepkg
[16:21] <grbzlh> BenO: what strikes me as odd is that you are not using any projection matrix
[16:21] <aditsu_with_pi> susprisingly, it's just about 11.80
[16:24] <EiNSTeiN_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/foo
[16:24] <EiNSTeiN_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/bar
[16:24] <EiNSTeiN_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/baz
[16:24] <EiNSTeiN_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/qux
[16:24] <EiNSTeiN_> ^ that's like, an amazingly bad practice
[16:25] <BenO> grbzlh, I am just plucking the fragment color from the texture - it seems to be a problem with the culling of faces, as enabling that makes for a clearer image
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[16:27] <aditsu_with_pi> EiNSTeiN_: yeah, everybody knows it should be quux
[16:27] <grbzlh> well, the more basic problem is that you aren't doing 3d->2d projection
[16:27] <grbzlh> you probably want to do perspective projection
[16:27] <EiNSTeiN_> aditsu_with_pi: there is both apparently
[16:28] <EiNSTeiN_> i mean, in the classical suite, not on the site
[16:28] <zag> That forum skin looks aight :)
[16:28] <zag> would be better with some category icons though
[16:29] <aditsu_with_pi> php is an amazingly bad practice
[16:29] <EiNSTeiN_> like the forum skin, don't like the database dump in the web root (fortunately nothing too sensitive in there)
[16:30] <shirro> BenO: yes, glEnable(GL_CULL_FACE) makes it a lot better. Will check back tomorrow and see how you fixed it and learn something ::-)
[16:31] <zag> I've got red on my forums too http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/
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[16:32] <zag> I do like using phpbb though, much easier than that crap wordpress thing
[16:32] <grbzlh> BenO: also, you didn't enable depth testing
[16:32] <shirro> I enabled that and it didn't make any difference I could see
[16:33] <shirro> but then I can barely keep my eyes open.
[16:34] <grbzlh> does your framebuffer config actually have a depth buffer, and did you also set the right depth test function?
[16:35] <grbzlh> but really, you should add perspective projection first... 3d rendering doesn't make much sense without
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[16:37] <BenO> grbzlh, Thanks for the tips - my gl knowledge is somewhat antiquated :)
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[16:45] <kallisti5> just to make sure I'm 100% correct
[16:45] <kallisti5> in gpio terms:
[16:45] <kallisti5> set == 1 == high
[16:45] <kallisti5> clear == 0 == low
[16:45] <kallisti5> or is that reversed?
[16:46] <kallisti5> I know you set the OK led onboard to clear to enable it, however thats due to it no-longer shorting ground
[16:46] <sajimon> kallisti5: yes, set = 1
[16:46] <kallisti5> sajimon: thanks :) just want to make sure my terms are correct.
[16:47] <sajimon> its because you have led pulled up, and you controll ground, inseatd of vcc
[16:47] <sajimon> thats usual technique with leds , buttons etc
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[17:03] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm, I suspended the compression, but the pi is still in slow-motion, I wonder why
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> what are you compressing?
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[17:05] <aditsu_with_pi> gordonDrogon: I was building python, and makepkg was compressing the package at the end (which was taking a looooong time)
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> isn't python already built?
[17:06] <aditsu_with_pi> nope, and binary not available for download
[17:06] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, what version?
[17:06] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: 2.7.3 I think
[17:07] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, Python 2.6.6 is onboard the debian image (softfp)
[17:07] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm using Arch
[17:07] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, ah, then in that case you are on your own ;)
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[17:09] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, but what can be slowing it like that? it takes 10 minutes to do a ls
[17:09] <hotwings> good morning rpi fans
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning here... :)
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> aditsu_with_pi, type 'top' and see what's slowing it down...
[17:10] <aditsu_with_pi> yeah, maybe an hour later I can see :p
[17:10] <hotwings> good aftermorning gordonDrogon :]
[17:11] <aditsu_with_pi> still waiting for the output of some other commands
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> sort of mid aftermorning, getting into early afterlunch time ..
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[17:13] <Hourd> aditsu_with_pi: pull out the power ;)
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> She canny take it, captian :)
[17:15] <aditsu_with_pi> Hourd: noooo, my build!
[17:15] <kallisti5> working through my Haiku GPIO code... anyone have a Pi nearby to test something for me? (real easy + quick)
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[17:16] <kallisti5> I'd do it... but my Pi is at home.
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[17:17] <aditsu_with_pi> kallisti5: I would by my pi is not usable right now
[17:17] <kallisti5> not usable?
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I can test... if it'll run under Debian.. I have a wodge of LEDs hooked up to the GPIO too..
[17:18] <aditsu_with_pi> it takes 30 sec to respond to a key
[17:18] <kallisti5> copy http://pub.haikungfu.net/kernel.img to your SD card (and make a backup of your old kernel.img), boot, check if OK led comes on.
[17:18] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: little lower then that :P
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> hang on...
[17:19] * kallisti5 is working on the Haiku bootloader. :D
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[17:19] <kallisti5> if you have a usb->ttl serial adapter hooked up you could look for serial output as well ^_^ but thats not a *need*
[17:20] * kallisti5 just wants to make sure he didn't break his GPIO functionality after some redesign
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> I don't, sorry. going to boot now. would you expect anything on the console?
[17:20] <kallisti5> nah. just blackness
[17:20] <kallisti5> * for now :D
[17:20] * Hourd should work on using the gpio later
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> rebooting...
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> I've got a whole gpio library in C if your intersted..
[17:21] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: your magical, and Haiku thanks you! :D
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[17:21] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: nah... I am bare metal atm getting our bootloader going
[17:21] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: if the LED doesn't come on in ~5 seconds something isn't right.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> ok, power LED is on, nothing else. it must have reset the other GPIO ports as all the LEDs I had lit went out..
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[17:22] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: hmm.. that sucks. thanks :)
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> sorry...
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[17:24] <kallisti5> http://pastebin.com/mrMwHQSW
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> has a C program that lets you noodle and of the GPIO pins..
[17:24] <kallisti5> anyone see anything odd there? ^^
[17:24] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: i may be indeed
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> yea, gpio_out might not work.
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[17:25] <gordonDrogon> you may need to force all 3 bits to zero first.
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[17:25] <gordonDrogon> So |= will just add in the bits.
[17:26] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: weird.. the gpio demo code i've seen thus far doesn't do that
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> that's why there's a comment in Gerts code about calling INP before OUTP... His In code resets the bits, then the out code sets the bits.
[17:26] <kallisti5> ah :D
[17:26] <kallisti5> that makes sense... did seem like a hack to me :)
[17:27] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: i noticed this gpio stuff doesn't at all match the bcm2835 pdf :(
[17:27] <kallisti5> all the register locations are off.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I couldn't work it out initially and got side-tracked as the ARM can do out of order data access, so thought it might be something to do with that.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> the regsiter locations are WORD offsets.
[17:27] * IT_Sean peers back in
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> So if you have a uint32_t then [1] is really +4 bytes.
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Ah - mail from RS. Saying 'naaah naah naaah - 4000 people more get a Pi, but NOT YOU'.
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> RS have stopped talking to me, not that I care, however.
[17:29] * mjr is waiting for a local farnell rep to get them on shelf. Their current estimate is July.
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[17:29] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: hmm.. i may just steal some stuff from your gpio.c code ^_^
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> feel free!
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit ... sub-optimal, but I wrote it in the same sort of vein as the Arduino wiring code.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> but it's easy to pick other bits out of it.
[17:30] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: doMode is setting the in, out, alternatex mode?
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> doMode? do you mean pinMode?
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[17:32] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: ^_^... yeah.. just noticed that
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> *(gpio + fSel) = (*(gpio + fSel) & ~(7 << shift)) | (alt << shift) ;
[17:33] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: hmm.. does this handle the alternate modes?
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> that line does.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> so:
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> http://pastebin.com/mrMwHQSW
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> *(gpio + fSel) = (*(gpio + fSel) & ~(7 << shift)) ; // Sets bits to zero = input
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> *(gpio + fSel) = (*(gpio + fSel) & ~(7 << shift)) | (1 << shift) ;
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> that 2nd line is for output. (ie. 001)
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> and
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> *(gpio + fSel) = (*(gpio + fSel) & ~(7 << shift)) | (alt << shift) ;
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> that's any ALT mode 1-5 (or 2-7 in binary)
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit. got to sort some boxes out (boringly)
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[17:38] <aditsu_with_pi> ok "top" finally started, there's no process with high cpu usage, but it has 72% wait
[17:39] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: when you get back, whats this PWM stuff that always gets called after IN or OUT modes?
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[17:40] <aditsu_with_pi> actually I think it kinda recovered
[17:40] <aditsu_with_pi> I can see some scary stuff in the logs though
[17:40] <aditsu_with_pi> udevd fork of child failed: cannot allocate memory
[17:41] * gordonDrogon returns. boxes sorted.
[17:41] <pingec> Is anyone working on making rpi an emulator box for old platforms like spectrum and commodore?
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> aditsu_with_pi, that's wait on the SD card completing a write (probalby)
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> kallisti5, checking the code..
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> kallisti5, what line in wiringPi.c are you looking at? The PWM is only set if the mode passed in is 2 (PWM_OUTPUT)
[17:43] <aditsu_with_pi> huh, the system has no swap at all
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> not by default, no.
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> frankly, if you need swap on it, it's going to go even slower )-:
[17:44] <aditsu_with_pi> and top reports only 125004k memory
[17:44] <aditsu_with_pi> (total)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> Mem: 190836k total, 42232k used, 148604k free, 7364k buffers
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> maybe you're booting with the 128MB kernel?
[17:45] <aditsu_with_pi> it's slow again
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[17:45] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm booting the Arch image, no idea what options it has
[17:45] <aditsu_with_pi> but it does look like it's running out of memory
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> aditsu_with_pi, cd /boot ; cmp arm128_start.elf start.elf
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> then try arm192 and arm224 - to see which gpu image is being loaded.
[17:47] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, I think I will give up and reboot, this is taking too long
[17:47] <aditsu_with_pi> then I can check the kernel
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> brb
[17:48] <aditsu_with_pi> error: "kernel.sysrq" is an unknown key
[17:49] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: ahhh... gotcha
[17:49] <aditsu_with_pi> yes it's using the 128 image
[17:49] <aditsu_with_pi> I'll change it
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[17:51] <aditsu_with_pi> 222440k, that's better :)
[17:52] <aditsu_with_pi> huh, the pi can reboot but it can't power off
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[17:52] <aditsu_with_pi> (from software)
[17:52] <IT_Sean> Correct
[17:54] <aditsu_with_pi> odd, I can't login as root (but can still su)
[17:54] <IT_Sean> also correct
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[17:55] <aditsu_with_pi> but I logged in as root earlier
[17:55] <IT_Sean> are you sure?
[17:55] <aditsu_with_pi> yes
[17:55] <IT_Sean> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[17:55] <aditsu_with_pi> this is not windows
[17:55] <IT_Sean> The button on the side... is it glowing?
[17:56] <aditsu_with_pi> oh it lets me log in on tty3 but not tty2 (says it's not secure)
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Send it to me... I'll have a look at it & get it sorted.
[17:57] <aditsu_with_pi> you're not very funny
[17:57] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/RHmAsdnR :D
[17:57] <kallisti5> little easier to read ^_^
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[17:58] <kallisti5> oops.. alt == mode
[17:59] <aditsu_with_pi> ah, /etc/securetty
[18:00] <jardiamj> what distro are you using aditsu_with_pi ?
[18:00] <aditsu_with_pi> jardiamj: Arch
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[18:01] <jardiamj> mmm... I don't know much about Arch, I use mostly Debian...
[18:01] <ZeroDegrees> Did someone say Arch
[18:01] <kallisti5> <3 Arch!
[18:02] <IT_Sean> lunch
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[18:03] <jardiamj> Arch lovers around here..
[18:03] <ZeroDegrees> Ther is no problem if you do not like arch
[18:03] <aditsu_with_pi> I love Gentoo but Arch is pretty good too
[18:04] <aditsu_with_pi> first time using it
[18:04] <ZeroDegrees> I agree with aditsu_with_pi
[18:05] <ZeroDegrees>
[18:05] <aditsu_with_pi> so now I'm building python all over again :p
[18:06] <ZeroDegrees> I was writing some code for myt own raspi OS
[18:07] <ZeroDegrees> It is not that graphical
[18:07] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm I should document what I did
[18:08] <ZeroDegrees> You should it would help if you ever need to rebuild python
[18:08] <aditsu_with_pi> no, I mean generally with Arch on the Pi
[18:09] <ZeroDegrees> Welll yes same goes with that too
[18:10] <aditsu_with_pi> rebuilding python is just makepkg -s :)
[18:10] <aditsu_with_pi> and -f
[18:11] <ZeroDegrees> don't really have any experience with python
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[18:13] <aditsu_with_pi> it's quite odd that Arch doesn't have a python binary for ARM
[18:13] <danalog> RaspberryPi + nginx reverse proxy + Apache + MySQL + WordPress. Very fast but needs optimize for non cache. Screenshot: http://krtnb.ch/1r
[18:13] <aditsu_with_pi> danalog: you can run wordpress directly in nginx
[18:14] <danalog> aditsu_with_pi: I know, but this was a test with nginx caching
[18:15] <danalog> wanted MariaDB instead of MySQL but couldnt find debs for it
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> kallisti5, looks ok - want me to give it another go?
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[18:17] <aditsu_with_pi> xz is such a memory hog :(
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[18:17] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/ < has my 3.2.16 kernel .deb and soon a minimal Debian wheezy image
[18:17] <bootc> (would appreciate some testers of the kernel :-)
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> I'll give it a go...
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> will it run on the standard debian ok?
[18:18] <bootc> just dpkg -i linux-image-3.2.16-rpi1+_1_armel.deb
[18:18] <bootc> yep should be fine
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[18:19] * gordonDrogon waits on the slow SD ...
[18:19] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: is it the Sd being slow or are you doign a ton to it?
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> class 4 sd. clunky.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> doing nothing else on it other than dpkg -i
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[18:20] <bootc> gordonDrogon: then run the /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.16-rpi1+ through imagetool-uncompressed.py to get your kernel.img to put on your SD
[18:21] <bootc> (in /boot by default)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/3.2.16-rpi1+/source
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[18:21] <bootc> yeah you can ignore all that
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[18:21] <bootc> I just used make-kpkg and cross-compiled it
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't appear to have imagetool-uncompressed.py
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[18:23] <bootc> ah, it's in... https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[18:23] <bootc> though actually there's an easier way, hang on a sec
[18:24] <DDave> danalog: why mariadb?
[18:24] <bootc> gordonDrogon: download http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/first32k.bin then run: cat first32k.bin /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.16-rpi1+ /boot/kernel.img
[18:24] <danalog> DDave: because it is less bloated
[18:24] <bootc> (but do back up your original kernel.img first!)
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[18:25] <danalog> and open source and from the original mysql developers who left mysql when Oracle took over
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> rebooting... only got one monitor, so need to switch. brb.
[18:25] <bootc> I've tested it and it boots to console for me, but I haven't tested X11 or sound or too much other fancy stuff
[18:26] <bootc> definitely get serial + hdmi console and networking
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> seems to boot ok.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> lots of modules...
[18:28] <bootc> yes I've made as much possible into a module
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> not a fan of modules :)
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> let me startx on it...
[18:29] <Hourd> why not a fan of modules?
[18:29] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: sure! Just got the new code building
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[18:30] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: http://pub.haikungfu.net/kernel2.img
[18:31] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: your code was definitely a lot more complete then the demo code out there
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> brb phone
[18:31] <kallisti5> np
[18:32] <bootc> right I'm going to go walk my dog :-) brb
[18:33] <IT_Sean> is that what the kids today are calling it? "walking the dog"?
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, dunno - just always favoured building a system targetted to the hardware, so no real need for modules, I guess.
[18:35] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: you want me to credit you in authors of gpio.c if it works and I push it upstream to Haiku? :)
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> if you like, thanks. Is Haiku GPL?
[18:35] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: mit
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> ok. no wories there then.
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> still on the phone...
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[18:44] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, got python and a few other packages :)
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[18:47] <astom> just a question: I read the analog audio out is having problems. Is it hardware or software related?
[18:48] <beardface> if someone wants to loan me there raspberry pi for 2 weeks, i'll custom print them 2 cases on my 3d printer
[18:48] <beardface> I'm anxious to get a case design that is functional... but not excited about waiting for my Pi to finally ship
[18:48] <beardface> *their
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[18:49] <astom> beardface: i want mine too
[18:49] <astom> beardface: a long time to argentina
[18:49] <beardface> yeah
[18:49] <beardface> I'm waiting till at least july
[18:49] <astom> beardface: where do you live?
[18:49] <beardface> and I ordered in march
[18:49] <beardface> US
[18:49] <astom> oh, I ordered a week ago
[18:50] <astom> it's gonna be a month at least
[18:50] <beardface> yeah; you've got quite a wait
[18:50] <beardface> more like 3 months
[18:50] <astom> really?!
[18:50] <astom> how do you know
[18:50] <beardface> they've shipped 4,000 pi's
[18:50] <beardface> they are 800000 orders
[18:51] <beardface> *there are
[18:51] <kallisti5> beardface: only 4k?
[18:51] <kallisti5> beardface: man... i was lucky to get one last week ^_^
[18:51] <Thorn_> they've shipped more than 4k, but the point is still valid
[18:51] <beardface> kallisti5: lucky you
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> kallisti5, kernel2.img boots .... and sets the OK LED :)
[18:51] <astom> but once is already shipped it shouldnt take more than a month
[18:51] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: ! woot!
[18:51] <beardface> astom: that is correct
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> another phone call to make.. brb.
[18:52] <beardface> shipping from UK to argentina shouldn't take more than a month
[18:52] <fALSO> much less
[18:52] <fALSO> one month -> china -> europe
[18:52] <astom> maybe 2 weeks
[18:52] <fALSO> sometimes less
[18:52] <beardface> i agree; i was refering to the wait time before it ships
[18:52] <beardface> is ~3 months
[18:52] <beardface> if you're lucky
[18:52] <astom> ohh
[18:52] <astom> now I understand
[18:53] <aditsu_with_pi> depends if they're using row boats
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[18:53] <astom> although darnell didnt give me a tracking number
[18:53] <astom> *farnell
[18:54] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: a quick fyi, the first32k.bin was reverse engineered making the imagetool un-needed... i can't find the assembly for the life of me though
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[18:55] <bootc> gordonDrogon: I like modules because not everyone may want (for example) the whole of netfilter in their kernel
[18:56] <astom> is the usb port current enough for one external hard drive?
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[18:57] <mkopack> astom: "current enough?
[18:58] <mkopack> astom: i.e., does it put out enough power to power an external HD?
[18:58] <astom> that is what i meant
[18:58] <mkopack> astom: If that's the question, then the answer is no, not even close. You need to use a powered USB hub and then plug the HD into the hub
[18:58] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: hey, about your opengl stuff, it can't find libbcm_host.so
[18:58] <astom> im sory, not a native speaker
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[18:58] <IT_Sean> You will need a powered hub
[18:59] <astom> understand...
[18:59] <IT_Sean> or an external power supply for the harddrive
[18:59] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, are there things in /opt/vc/lib that look like they will do?
[18:59] <BenO> on your Arch distro
[18:59] <astom> my hard drive has 2 usb ports
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[18:59] <mkopack> mpthompson: Hey just out of curiosity, how is the hard float port going?
[18:59] <astom> maybe one port can be conected to a ac adapter
[18:59] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: yes it's in there
[18:59] <mkopack> astom: Probably won't work like that.
[18:59] <mkopack> astom: Just get yourself a powered USB hub.
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[19:00] <astom> oh... so yet another dealextreme order
[19:00] <bootc> kallisti5: https://github.com/lp0/linux/blob/652c15f44ec85a615037a60af671ca53879ae8bb/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/rpi-boot.S
[19:00] <astom> no way to get one of those powered usb hubs in my city
[19:00] <mkopack> astom: No place local to you that sells stuff like that?
[19:00] <mkopack> astom: where are you>
[19:00] <mkopack> ?
[19:01] <astom> cordoba, argentina... there are a lot of computer shops
[19:01] <astom> but I havent seen powered usb hubs anywhere
[19:01] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, does "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib python Hello_Triangle.py" do anything to help it find it?
[19:01] <mkopack> eh, I'd just go into one or two and ask. I'm sure they have them. Those are big with laptops
[19:01] <astom> mkopack: I will try
[19:02] <astom> one my raspi get gome :)
[19:02] <astom> *home
[19:02] <kallisti5> bootc: gordonDrogon yup.. there ya go. https://github.com/lp0/linux/blob/652c15f44ec85a615037a60af671ca53879ae8bb/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/rpi-boot.S
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[19:02] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I think so, no it says No module named pyopengles
[19:02] <kallisti5> bootc: thanks :) couldn't find it in lp0's repo
[19:02] <aditsu_with_pi> now*
[19:03] <jardiamj> aditsu_with_pi: did you document what you did with Arch?
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> still on phone to silly customer :)
[19:03] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, Ah, sorry - I have moved things round recently. Will push a fresh version
[19:03] <jardiamj> I might go that direction when I get my pi, I was reading your comments that there is no Arch binary for Python
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> modules are fine - and they have a good use too. I'm just old & dull and like to think I'm being more efficient (even if I'm not these days ;-)
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[19:04] <jardiamj> I mean for ARM
[19:04] <aditsu_with_pi> jardiamj: no time for that now, will probably do over the next few days
[19:04] <jardiamj> I got my words all messed up
[19:05] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I tried to run pyopengles.py, it says __init__ takes 3 arguments, 1 given
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> now waiting for silly client to call back
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> clients, eh? Who'd have them!!!
[19:05] <jardiamj> I hope to see it, for I am just waiting for my pi to arrive (hopefully soon)
[19:05] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, do a fresh pull and try that?
[19:06] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I can see a red triangle
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[19:08] <aditsu_with_pi> right in the text terminal :p
[19:08] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, and "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib python Hello_Lighting.py"?
[19:08] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, There is no X window support, so it is all pasted above the normal terminal
[19:08] <aditsu_with_pi> didn't know that was possible :)
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[19:08] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, it's the only way atm
[19:08] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: it can't find monkey.obj
[19:09] <Bluemerlin> Hi everyone :)
[19:09] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib python Hello_Lighting.py examples_objs/monkey.obj"
[19:09] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I think you have an s in the wrong place
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[19:10] <aditsu_with_pi> hm, weird monkey head :)
[19:10] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, you see the problem with the culling? (ie faces rendering even though they should be hidden?)
[19:11] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, There is also 'female.obj' in the example objs
[19:11] <aditsu_with_pi> yes and yes
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[19:13] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, That's what I am trying to sort out :)
[19:16] <aditsu_with_pi> oh, I can't really help with that at the moment
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[19:18] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, That's fine - you've already helped me sort out the repo :)
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[19:25] <Simon-> kallisti5: see also https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/16
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[19:34] <aditsu_with_pi> oh noes, I may have been unnecessarily building packages from source
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[19:34] <aditsu_with_pi> just learned about pacman -Syu
[19:35] <kallisti5> Simon-: hey! yeah, i saw :) definitely glad you added that assembly to the kernel
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[19:40] <bootc> as promised, my minimal wheezy image: http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/wheezy-mini-2012-05-08.img.gz
[19:40] <bootc> (user root, password is 'raspberry')
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[19:48] <aditsu_with_pi> so I was wrong, there are binaries for everything, including python
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[19:50] <aditsu_with_pi> jardiamj, BenO: ^
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[19:51] <aditsu_with_pi> and gordonDrogon ^
[19:51] <jardiamj> ohh nice, thanks for the info..
[19:52] <aditsu_with_pi> I wish there was an "undo" for stuff I said :p
[19:52] <jardiamj> ctrl+z?
[19:52] <jardiamj> hahahahahahaha
[19:53] <aditsu_with_pi> no, that's suspend :p
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[19:53] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, I learned a bunch of things in the process
[19:57] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to decide if I want to build in this check or not for my final since my current version of my final meets all the requirements of the assignment
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[20:20] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f5b8362 and http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm/gpio.cpp :)
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[20:23] <haltdef> omg
[20:23] <haltdef> pi dispatched
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:23] <kallisti5> haltdef: congrats :)
[20:23] * kallisti5 <3's his
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[20:24] <haltdef> only ordered friday
[20:25] <Hydrazine> o.0
[20:25] <Hydrazine> lucky you
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[20:25] <haltdef> speshul email from RS, missed out on the first batch but very high on the list for the first batch manufactured by them it seems
[20:25] <Hydrazine> ah nice
[20:26] <Hourd> woooo my pi can have keyboard or mouse. not both o.O
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[20:27] <Hydrazine> same here :'(
[20:27] <Hydrazine> usb stick occupies the other usb slot
[20:27] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:27] <IT_Sean> they call it a hub, guys.
[20:27] <Hydrazine> or do you have some mysterious other problem
[20:27] <Hydrazine> IT_Sean: to lazy to buy one
[20:27] <Hourd> i have a hub
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[20:29] <IT_Sean> Go on ebay. I bet you can get one for under $4.
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[20:30] * IT_Sean should do that as well, he could use a USB hub for his desktop.
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[20:30] <Hourd> but yeah plug mouse in and keyboard shuts off but only when x is running
[20:31] <IT_Sean> o_O
[20:32] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm I'm running out of disk.. I mean card space
[20:32] <Hourd> and they are all in powered hub
[20:33] <IT_Sean> what if one is in the hub, and the other directly into the pi?
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[20:36] <kallisti5> Hourd: what kind of power supply you using?
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[20:36] <kallisti5> Hourd: quite a few of the ac -> microusb wall warts are only 500ma which really isn't enough
[20:36] <IT_Sean> aye, what's the max amperage rating on the power supply?
[20:37] <xlq> Amperage?
[20:37] <xlq> Are we going to call length centimetrage now? :P
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[20:41] <kallisti5> Hourd: either way, the xorg difference may be powering the display at a higher resolution or something pushes the power usage over what your wall-wart provides
[20:42] <kallisti5> or *amperage* as IT_Sean puts it.
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[20:42] <IT_Sean> bite me, kallisti5 :p
[20:42] <kallisti5> :D
[20:42] * IT_Sean pokes Hourd with a 700ma wall wart
[20:43] <kallisti5> 700ma is what I have... it's prob *way* too close, but I haven't seen any issues yet
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[21:00] <Hourd> hehe
[21:00] <aditsu_with_pi> FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[21:00] <Hourd> erm i dont know, will be doing tests after my dinner
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[21:01] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, Yep, not unusual :)
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[21:07] <xlq> These might be good candidates for r-pi ports: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blob_Wars
[21:07] <xlq> Free software, shouldn't be too taxing.
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[21:10] <aditsu_with_pi> damn, he left without tell me how to fix it
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[21:54] <Cheery> I thought you can implement a desktop manager on EGL
[21:54] <Cheery> but how?
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[21:56] * IT_Sean 's unusually quiet in here today.
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[21:57] <Cheery> There's just handful of EGL API functions anyway.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> sorry Cheery, i dunno.
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[21:58] <chancellorsmith> got mine. whoop.
[21:58] <IT_Sean> WOOT!
[21:58] <Cheery> good
[21:58] <IT_Sean> What do you plan to dow ith it, now you have it?
[21:58] <IT_Sean> *do with
[21:58] <chancellorsmith> Good question.
[21:58] <chancellorsmith> I am a ruby on rails guy, so first, install that
[21:58] <chancellorsmith> and thn build some web apps on it
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[21:59] <chancellorsmith> and then interface it with sue electronically devices
[21:59] <chancellorsmith> i hope...
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[22:00] <chancellorsmith> so how do i add myself as a default user with home directory created and root privelaes? and then delete the @pi@ user
[22:01] <chancellorsmith> or maybe i should just forget it and install stuff under the user pi.
[22:01] <chancellorsmith> i changed the default password and enabled ssh
[22:01] <IT_Sean> what distro?
[22:01] <Cheery> http://ppaalanen.blogspot.com/2012/03/what-does-egl-do-in-wayland-stack.html
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[22:02] <Cheery> would you hate me much if I'd make a desktop environment with EGL?
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[22:03] <chancellorsmith> debian
[22:03] <IT_Sean> using a mouse, keyboar,d and GUI?
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[22:04] <chancellorsmith> yes
[22:04] <IT_Sean> um... menu thinger > system settings > Users? Or something like that? I'm working from memory here.... :p
[22:04] <gartenzwerg> "adduser" from a shell should work
[22:05] <gartenzwerg> and "userdel" for deleting the pi user
[22:05] <IT_Sean> or that.
[22:05] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[22:06] <chancellorsmith> thanks
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> makes sense
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[22:06] <gartenzwerg> first thing I do with a Window manager is to open a shell :-)
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> just installing ruby as user pi for now
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[22:07] <chancellorsmith> will probably re-image at some point later on
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[22:12] <Cheery> ooh
[22:13] <Cheery> the EGL stuff is just client side things
[22:14] <acfrazier> so out of immense curiosity I decided to comb eBay for all completed rpi units
[22:14] <acfrazier> scalpers have made about 50 grand across the last 30 days.
[22:14] <jamesglanville> *guilty*
[22:14] <jamesglanville> but that's a lot of money :O
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> guilty too...
[22:15] <acfrazier> I still have yet to get one so I said to hell with it and ordered the vastly superior Melee A2000
[22:15] <acfrazier> to develop for
[22:15] <acfrazier> Mele*
[22:15] <acfrazier> I have my preorder in still so I'll see one /eventually/
[22:16] * IT_Sean is in the queue to order
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[22:17] <Cheery> I have ordered, but my card is still coming
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[22:19] <alex_k> will my phone charger work ok with pi - input 100 - 240vac 0.3a 50-60Hz - output 5v 1.0a max
[22:19] <IT_Sean> Tha'll work
[22:19] <IT_Sean> Just make sure it's properly regulated.
[22:19] <alex_k> excelent :)
[22:20] <IT_Sean> i.e. it really does output 5v
[22:20] <IT_Sean> regarless of load
[22:20] <IT_Sean> *regardless
[22:20] <acfrazier> some of them output a little bit over as well
[22:20] <acfrazier> I know my PSU's 5V line is actually like 5.35V
[22:20] <alex_k> came with an acer android phone
[22:20] <IT_Sean> aye, make sure it really is 5v.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> measure the voltage.
[22:20] <alex_k> how do I test?
[22:20] <fragalot> acfrazier: my Shuttle used to run the 12V line at 16V
[22:20] <fragalot> >.>
[22:20] <acfrazier> fragalot, wow
[22:20] <IT_Sean> get a multimeter
[22:20] <fragalot> Quite... unnerving
[22:21] <acfrazier> I'm surprised nothing exploded.
[22:21] <fragalot> something did
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[22:21] <fragalot> the psu, after running like that for 5 years
[22:21] <fragalot> :P
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[22:21] <fragalot> (oh god i'm getting old.)
[22:21] <alex_k> are most multimeters pretty accurate
[22:22] <IT_Sean> As long as they are properly calibrated, yes.
[22:22] <IT_Sean> You cna check the calibration against a properly calibrated meter and/or by probing a KNOWN voltage supply.
[22:22] <IT_Sean> It doesn't have to be exact, of course... just make sure that it isn't outputting well above / below 5v
[22:22] <alex_k> cool thanks
[22:22] <fragalot> else-: easiest way to find out if they are good ones you can mostly rely on is to put it in the lowest range for voltage testing, and short the probes out... if it shows 0V... great... but like 95% of the meters out there will show something between 0.03V and 0.3V dependingon...
[22:23] <else-> ok
[22:23] <IT_Sean> mine is a cheap one... it shows 0.02v when i do that.
[22:23] <fragalot> but for your current need, even a really cheap one should be ok
[22:23] <IT_Sean> but, even that is close enough in this cae.
[22:23] <fragalot> IT_Sean: I've got many different ones, even some expensive ones that show .1V :<
[22:24] <fragalot> and a very very cheap one that shows a perfect 0 :D
[22:24] <IT_Sean> mine is a cheap, pocket sized, radioshack meter. But, evne a crap meter is handy ot have.
[22:24] <fragalot> which appears to be accurate to within 15mV when comparing with an oscilloscope
[22:24] <alex_k> where did you get you power leads out of interest?
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[22:24] * IT_Sean does not have an o-scope.
[22:24] <gartenzwerg> usually +/-10% doesn't matter much for microcontrollers and e.g. for USB a voltage from 4.45 V to 5.25 V is allowed, and the Raspberry Pi has on board voltage regulators anyway for 3.3 V and lower voltages
[22:25] <fragalot> gartenzwerg: Aye
[22:25] <fragalot> I'm a perfectionist though >.>
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> I've not had issues with the very cheap powered hub I'm using.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I powered it initially from my HTC phone charger...
[22:28] <D34TH> i wonder if my kindles charger would work
[22:28] <D34TH> 5v @ 1.8A
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I'd be surprised if not..
[22:28] <D34TH> fuck yea
[22:28] <acfrazier> Today anonymous hackers leaked more than 55.000 hacked twitter accounts username and password through Pastebin. It was very shocking to see such a massive number of Twitter accounts are hacked. Also celebrity accounts are hacked.
[22:28] <acfrazier> 'The micro blogging platform is aware of this hack and was taking necessary actions to save those people?s account from malicious activity', said a Twitter insider.
[22:28] <acfrazier> shit
[22:29] * wry (~wry@c-71-205-142-149.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Zombie attack!)
[22:29] <acfrazier> how did they do that
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> anyone have the pastebin link?
[22:29] <acfrazier> its on the page
[22:29] <acfrazier> http://mcaf.ee/mtovi
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> only because I want to check mine...
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[22:32] <gordonDrogon> phew not there.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> not is my wifes.
[22:32] <D34TH> ugh firefox is so laggy today
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's been captures from public wi-fi systems, etc.
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[22:37] <jamesglanville> yeah they don't look very organised, I'd be surprised if it was twitters fault at all
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: There are way too many 'good' passwords.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> and I'ev been using their https access via web for as long as it's existed. why people don't use it is much odd...
[22:39] <tanepiper> Got my PI today, realised I don't actually have a MicroUSB around - should one of these do? (doesn't have a output rating on the page) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0028QHJSK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A2K4KMH9XTD2IX
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[22:40] <mjr> does have in one of the images
[22:40] <mjr> it _says_ it's 0.7A, so it should barely do. No juice left for USB devices without a powered hub though.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> iI would recommend only purchasing directly from amazon for chargers - and only 'brand name' ones.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, it might work, but ...
[22:41] <tanepiper> i was trying to keep it under ??10 :) I found the perfect keyboard, harks back to the ZX Spectum rubber key days :) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0079GFMXS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1QVCRV0ES34TA
[22:41] <tanepiper> and a steal at ??2.99
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[22:42] <chancellorsmith> so i added a new user
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[22:43] <IT_Sean> rahuh....
[22:43] <chancellorsmith> and added him to sudo users - safe/ok to delete user "pi" after that
[22:43] <chancellorsmith> userdel pi ?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> cheap keyboard..
[22:43] <IT_Sean> i _think_ so, but... someone else can chime in and confirm that, as i am not 100% sure
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, yes.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> however, do have a look at /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
[22:44] <chancellorsmith> cool, ta
[22:44] <gartenzwerg> yes, you can delete it, but if you are using Debian, it has some nice LXDE setup, which you might want to try first with startx
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of cruft in there = including some accounts with passwords that could login remotely!
[22:44] <jamesglanville> tanepiper: do you have a kindle? I thought I didn't have microusb, but just hadn't identified the kindle charger
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> I suggest running pwck
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> and grpck
[22:45] <chancellorsmith> so you just edit those files to remove the offending accounts
[22:45] <tanepiper> gordonDrogon: yea, but i don't intend to use a keyboard much with it - once i have it up and running i'll remote in
[22:45] <chancellorsmith> in both files
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> then manually deleting the entries you don't want.
[22:45] <tanepiper> since my phone port and hub is no where near my HD TV
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> tanepiper, I got a tiny keyboard too - mostly just for taking out on demos, etc.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> tanepiper, much more expensive - ?20..
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> yes, you can just edit them. use the 'vipw' and 'vigr' commands, if possible.
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[22:46] <tanepiper> jamesglanville: had a kindle, but not any more - had a look through my cables and i only seem to have a mini around :(
[22:46] <gartenzwerg> gordonDrogon: which distribution and which users? I know only pi and root for Debian, the others have /bin/false as the login shell
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> it won't reverse power, alas...
[22:46] <chancellorsmith> jeez??? etc/passwd file has loads of accounts in it
[22:46] <tanepiper> gordonDrogon: i actually had a usb keyboard up to a few weeks ago, but i forgot I ordered the Pi and stuck it in the charity shop when i was having a clear out
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> hang on, I'll post my files.
[22:46] <chancellorsmith> how do i know which to delete
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/passwd
[22:47] <gartenzwerg> oh, there is "buildbot" with /bin/bash :-)
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> that's my /etc/passwd file.
[22:48] <chancellorsmith> ta
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> what to do is check /etc/shadow (as root) as that's where the passwords are - and then using your own skill and judgement, remove the users from shadow and from passwd.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> then run the ckpw and ckgrp commands
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I think there are 2 'pi' users initially!
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> somewhat dissapointed it's not a "proper" Debian install - it's been cobbled together from one of their own installs that's been "used" ...
[22:49] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/videocorefirmware-linux-api
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> however it is convenient to get it going.
[22:50] <chancellorsmith> ok. ta
[22:50] <chancellorsmith> i'll reimage this thing later anyways
[22:50] <chancellorsmith> just playing
[22:51] <aditsu_with_pi> sigh.. I really need a bigger card
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I've not had time to put up a fresh image for myself and work through what's needed.
[22:51] <chancellorsmith> solid as a rock so far??? 21:49:48 up 55 min, 5 users, load average: 1.22, 1.21, 1.28
[22:51] <Matt> 8:50PM up 185 days, 5 mins, 9 users, load averages: 0.17, 0.20, 0.15
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I put up some initial setup stuff here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/ not applicable for everyone, but it might help give hints.
[22:51] <chancellorsmith> compiling ruby 1.9.3 presently
[22:51] <mjr> Matt, I don't think that's a Pi
[22:52] <chancellorsmith> this might take a while
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, excellent - the only time mine has crashed was when I was fiddling with the framebuffer...
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> when it gets as good as this:
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> 21:51:16 up 1288 days, 23:56, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> then I'll be impressed :)
[22:52] <chancellorsmith> intact??? gonna turn in??? with ssh access and some port forwarding nonsense i should be able to ssh in tomorrow from my iphone
[22:53] <D34TH> does OpenRA run on raspi?
[22:53] <Matt> mjr: true :)
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[22:53] <gartenzwerg> gordonDrogon: thanks. the user accounts should be fixed, like bcmtester, ubuntu etc. I wonder how many network accessed RPis will get hacked someday
[22:54] * gartenzwerg is disabling port forwarding and fixing it :-)
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> gartenzwerg, I hope none, but who knows.
[22:54] <Caterpillar> :O
[22:54] <chancellorsmith> night all'
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[22:55] <Kostic> good night...
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> my pi has been solidly overclocked for a few days now too.
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[22:56] <haltdef> mine should be here tomorrow
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> make sure you don't miss the postie :)
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[23:03] <aditsu_with_pi> wow this SD card is awesome: http://www.newark.com/harting/20899001000/memory-card-fts-sd-128mb/dp/83T7449?Ntt=2080975
[23:04] <mjr> slightly pricey
[23:04] <Cheery> LOL
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> can't see what class it is.
[23:05] <xlq> But it's 128 megabytes! You can fit so much stuff on there!
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> however do you really need an SD card that big?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> you can NFS/Samba/cifs mount someting else, or use USB ..
[23:05] <xlq> gordonDrogon: Note that it says 128MB not 128GB
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[23:07] <ReggieUK> I know a couple of people that would happily put a 128GB card in a dslr
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> a-ha! Doh! missed that bit
[23:07] <xlq> Yeah. But this is 128MB. It's 1000th the size!
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[23:09] <mjr> it would probably be quite a worthy boot media for the pi, having the root somewhere else.
[23:09] <ReggieUK> I know it's 128MB
[23:09] <Cheery> funny thing is we'd actually have use for so small cards
[23:09] <mjr> no, wait, it wouldn't, silly me
[23:09] <Cheery> just damn fast ones
[23:09] <mjr> no, wait, it would, silly me
[23:10] <Cheery> they'd be perfect for kernel images into computers. :)
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[23:11] <ReggieUK> they'd be overkill
[23:11] <Cheery> bit of
[23:11] <DrHorrible_KingO> throw openelec on one, done
[23:12] <Cheery> but we'd need some sort of detachable ROMs these days
[23:12] <ReggieUK> what's openelec?
[23:12] <ReggieUK> you could easily build a rootfs into that card
[23:12] <DrHorrible_KingO> the xbmc media player distro
[23:12] <ReggieUK> oh
[23:13] <ReggieUK> I've ignored that kind of thing mostly
[23:13] <ReggieUK> really not bothered whether it can play x,y,z
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I boot my little "embedded" Linux boxes from a 128MB Partition on a flash device. The kernel + initrd is under 50MB.
[23:14] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, on one of the arm9 devices I futz with, kernel + rootfs in 8mb ramdisk via usb :D
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> no X or anything big in the image though (they're asterisk boxes, so have apache & php)
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> onceupon a time you could boot a firewall system off a 1.44MB floppy :)
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> I've booted X+kernel+networking + lynx + xterm + mwm (or was it twm) in 1.44M
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[23:16] <SpeedEvil> (lynx had to be cut down - I pulled printing - which doubled the size of the binary
[23:17] <xlq> SpeedEvil: Very nice.
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> It was some time ago.
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> ~1996?
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> My first unix system... booted off a 3MB, 14" hard drive...
[23:18] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> the removables were 1.5MB IIRC...
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> the processor had 256KB (Kilobytes) of RAM.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> and it used to host 6 terminals - people editing, compiling, running stuff, plus the console & printer..
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> then wur the days, etc. :)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> pdp11/40
[23:19] * ReggieUK refuses to dust off tales of yore
[23:20] <ReggieUK> makes me feel old
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> your only as old as the computer you love :)
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[23:23] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: -5 months in this case+
[23:23] <Cheery> ?
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> er... maybe that analogy doesn't always work!
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> if I could afford the electricity to run a pdp11 I'd probably try to buy one...
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> they do occasionally come up on ebay...
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[23:33] <Cheery> openwtf
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> g'night...
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[23:48] <cornet> hhumm anyone got sound reliable working on the squeeze image ?
[23:48] <cornet> mine players for 20-30seconds then bails
[23:48] <cornet> *plays
[23:52] <gartenzwerg> same for me with mplayer, but the audio player in LXDE in the pi account works reliable, and the C64 emulator VICE, too
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[23:53] <cornet> gartenzwerg: ah ok - not tried that...
[23:53] <cornet> though not too fussed about gui foo#
[23:54] <Greg117> so, is there some known USB kernel issues still?
[23:54] <Greg117> I'm still seing a lot of freezing and needing to reboot
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[23:55] <gartenzwerg> I have not seen freezings so far, but sometimes my keyboard doesn't work right, missing keys, or repeating keys all the time, which can be fixed for a while when plugout/plugin
[23:56] <Greg117> gartenzwerg: what image are you running?
[23:56] <tanepiper> so once i get my power source sorted out tomorrow, question: is there a static lib for controlling parts of the pi that I can write https://github.com/rbranson/node-ffi around?
[23:56] <gartenzwerg> the 19-04 Debian image, but with the latest firmware, linux driver and modules
[23:56] <tanepiper> (like controlling the LEDs?)
[23:57] <Greg117> gartenzwerg: did you follow a guide to updadte the firmware/drivers/modules?
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[23:58] <gartenzwerg> I've used https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
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[23:58] <gartenzwerg> so the firmware is updated, now I'm developing my I2C driver, so the modules and linux kernel is the latest from rpi-patches
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[23:59] <gamegeek> hello i have some questions about the Raspberry Pi model b

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