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IRC Log for 2012-05-10

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[0:00] <Da|Mummy> diablo3 has low system spec requirements though
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[0:01] <_av500_> carldani: it was not serious
[0:01] <a_c_r_> Da|Mummy: yeah. you just need to add more ram via the USB port
[0:02] <Da|Mummy> swap?
[0:02] <a_c_r_> nah. prob just a few gb of GDDR5 so you wouln't have to manage the memory split
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[0:03] <CcSsNET> diablo3 really does have low requirements. it doesnt even speed up my cpu fan or gpu fans when running haha
[0:03] <CcSsNET> max settings
[0:05] <CcSsNET> but yea. not for armel, its x86
[0:05] <a_c_r_> yeah, you'd probably just need the new windows arm and a binary emulator to run the amd64 binaries
[0:05] <a_c_r_> seems easy enough
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[0:07] <Da|Mummy> maybe blizzard will release source
[0:07] <CcSsNET> hah
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[0:07] <CcSsNET> we'll be lucky if they release an api for the ingame auction house
[0:07] <CcSsNET> nvm source
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[0:08] <a_c_r_> anyone have distcc running on ???
[0:09] <a_c_r_> ??^2 compiling...
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[0:20] <gamegeek> http://i.imgur.com/meGWW.png
[0:20] <gamegeek> is this a good idea?
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[0:27] <gamegeek> i think i can get the transformer next to the rasbarry and even some free space to put in a mini mous and a cable
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[1:03] <danfoshizzle> How well does the raspberry pi play avi video?
[1:04] <plugwash> probablly pretty badly
[1:04] <danfoshizzle> Got my rasp_pi today, waiting for my sd to arrive tomorrow, just wondering if its worth converting them to mp4?
[1:04] <hamitron> won't it depend what is inside the avi container?
[1:05] <plugwash> hamitron, it will but afaict it's pretty unusual for h.264 to be in an avi container
[1:05] <hamitron> ah, kk
[1:05] <plugwash> and h.264 is the only codec that can currently be gpu accelerated on the pi
[1:06] <hamitron> I guess with todays modern computers, it is not so bad converting everything
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[1:06] <danfoshizzle> Yeah its not bother to me, but would be easier/quicker to just use avi
[1:07] <danfoshizzle> I know from the forum that mpeg-2 struggles
[1:07] <TopherBrink> well sd stuff is mostly perfect and what kind of hd stuff isnt in standard mp4/mkv h.264 now anyway
[1:08] <hamitron> if it is a problem, I'll buy your r-pi for ?10
[1:08] <hamitron> ;)
[1:08] <danfoshizzle> Lol no problem, :P
[1:09] <danfoshizzle> Was just trying to be lazy I suppose lol
[1:09] <hamitron> damn, I will get a good deal eventually ;)
[1:09] <danfoshizzle> Ebay deals o
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[1:09] <danfoshizzle> Not to your suiting? lol
[1:09] <IT_Sean> /clearall
[1:09] <hamitron> not till the price is right
[1:10] <D34TH> i wonder how many people would pay full price for a used but guarrenteed rpi
[1:11] <hamitron> I bet a lot would pay more than full price, if they got it the week they order it
[1:11] <hamitron> :/
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[1:12] <mkopack> I'd love to know when RS is going to ship mine out. I got the "Time to Order" email on Friday and did so, and I'm seeing UK folks getting their shipment notices, but so far no such notice for me, even though they've billed my CC
[1:13] <plugwash> D34TH, well given that new Pi's are still going on ebay for over double face value
[1:13] <plugwash> it wouldn't at all surprise me if even a used one sold for more than face value
[1:13] <hamitron> maybe even a broken one by
[1:13] <hamitron> may
[1:13] <hamitron> hehe
[1:14] <TopherBrink> the difference between a used pi and used dvd/cd/videogame/book is the same - pretty much nothing.
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[1:15] <TopherBrink> no reason it wouldnt
[1:15] <mkopack> so long as it isn't fried or damaged in some significant way
[1:16] <hamitron> I guess an electronic device is harder to check it works fully
[1:16] <mkopack> I did read a report of somebody getting theirs from Farnell with a bad USB jack. there was a line/pin missing.
[1:16] <mkopack> so it's having to go back
[1:16] <mkopack> sounds like a case of a bad part
[1:16] <hamitron> :/
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[1:17] <TopherBrink> wouldnt be surprised, farnell seem to have put less care into the packing
[1:17] <TopherBrink> going on how mine arrived vs the RS one
[1:18] <plugwash> USB jacks are pretty enclosed, if a pin is missing i'd suspect a manufacturing defect not damage in transit
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[1:21] <TopherBrink> true enough
[1:24] <plugwash> heck if a pin was completely missing (rather than just damaged) in practically any connector i'd think it was a manfacturing defect
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[1:24] <danfoshizzle> Shame the rs box is not a little smaller, could have used it a case lol
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[1:25] <hamitron> plugwash, knew there was a reason that vga pin "came out"
[1:25] <hamitron> ;)
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[1:52] <danfoshizzle> So what is everyone using there pi for
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> Restful procrastination.
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> It's much easier to procrastinate about something when you don't have the hardware yet.
[1:54] <danfoshizzle> heh, general tinkering device for me, but I can see it being used for quite a few things once readily available, only have one at the moment lol
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[2:48] <danfoshizzle> Do you think the cheap powered hubs from ebay will be ok for pi use? It can provide 500ma per port, so would not power the pi, but would power all the peripherals
[2:48] <IT_Sean> Any powered hub will be fine for peripherals.
[2:49] <danfoshizzle> Ok sweet, cheers
[2:49] <IT_Sean> But keep in mind that that, as you said, will not power a Model B. The Pi Model B requires 700ma
[2:49] * IT_Sean nods
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[2:50] <danfoshizzle> Will try and find one that can power thi pi too, then its only one plug I need behind the tv :P
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[3:04] <danfoshizzle> Hard to find per port current when looking for hubs
[3:05] <gurgalof> 500mA for USB2
[3:05] <gurgalof> on powered hubs
[3:05] <IT_iPod> You are probably best off powering from a wall wart
[3:05] <gurgalof> on non powered hubs it is 100mA
[3:05] <IT_iPod> I don't think you will find a hub putting out 700ma
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[3:06] <mervaka_> nope
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[3:10] <IT_Sean> Be right back
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[3:35] <jamesglanville> anyone for 3d printed rpi cases?
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[3:36] <jamesglanville> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270970305285?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 if so
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[3:39] <Ben64> not like that
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[3:47] <chrisx> hi
[3:47] * infernix received two rPis today
[3:47] <chrisx> I've heard there are some compatibility issues with sd cards
[3:48] <chrisx> I didn't see this particular model on either list of working or not working
[3:48] <chrisx> http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Class-Memory-SD4-16GB/dp/B0013AV9TW/
[3:48] <chrisx> anyone know if it works?
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[3:49] <infernix> class 10 is where the problems are as far as i've read
[3:50] <infernix> have a transcend 16g class 6 working fine
[3:50] <chrisx> thanks
[3:51] <chrisx> TS16GSDHC6E ?
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[3:51] <infernix> i guess so
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[3:59] <chrisx> thanks
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[4:15] <kallisti5> *sigh* these docs, linux port @github are all over the place
[4:15] <kallisti5> miniUart, pl011 uart, 0x7e201000 base for uart0, 0x20201000 base for uart0
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[5:07] <JWP> greetings all
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[5:12] <JWP> anybody here order from newark :O
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[5:32] <mikey_w> I ordered from Newark and no idea when it will ship.
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[5:48] <bnmorgan> hah. there's a rpi on bitmit for 25btc (About $125)
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[7:18] <Cheery> my computer is slow :(
[7:18] <RITRedbeard> lykalyklajeet
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> or lykalykajeet
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[7:19] <RITRedbeard> something like that
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[7:24] <DaQatz> ?
[7:26] <RITRedbeard> means hello doesn't it? something like that
[7:26] <RITRedbeard> I used to play this mod for operation flashpoint, it was called Finnish Defense Force, it was the best mod I ever played.
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[7:30] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: :D
[7:31] <DaQatz> I have no clue what it means.
[7:31] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: I look like "wat?" when you typed it.
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[7:31] <Cheery> I guess you said something that's not spelled like that.. or then it's russian ^^
[7:31] <RITRedbeard> I'm missing the accent marks, I think.
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> who knows
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> maybe the game was pretending to have Finnish speech and subtitles and turns out it was all gibberish.
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> just to make me look foolish! >:\
[7:32] <Cheery> who knows. I figure if it was mod from finnish, probably no
[7:33] <Cheery> but it may very well be some more complex greet you just miswrite.
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> to make me look foolish, though? that isn't something you can purchase every single day... I'd do it.
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[7:35] <Cheery> I find it day to day less foolish to not know something.
[7:35] <RITRedbeard> True.
[7:37] <Cheery> finnish greeting would be something like "terve" or "morjens".. or "hei", of which the latest reminds me of swedish "hej" a bit.
[7:37] <RITRedbeard> maybe it was the title of one of the soundtracks? hmmm
[7:37] <Cheery> actually I figure all of these are probably loaned words.
[7:37] <RITRedbeard> i'll probably dream about it
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[7:39] <Cheery> finns greet each other yeah.. but not about always. it's more common if you suddenly see someone but not very common if the meeting was expected.
[7:39] <RITRedbeard> it will sit well between my nightmares of not having a Raspberry Pi and Eben laughing at us all.
[7:41] <Cheery> sometimes I wonder what my language would sound like if I did not understood it
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[7:42] <RITRedbeard> I wonder if I could swap out the language processing part of my brain for compiler... or ALU.
[7:42] <RITRedbeard> I'd be happy.
[7:43] <Cheery> I guess I'm going to try expresso since the normal coffee doesn't seem to be effective enough to get me coding.
[7:45] <DaQatz> Make a good "mug" of espresso.
[7:45] <DaQatz> 12oz cups ftw
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[7:46] <Cheery> I wonder about the game to do.. but I guess I'll pick an old classic.
[7:46] <Cheery> :)
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[7:47] <mpthompson> Cheery, here is a song written in the 70's by an Italian to mimic what English sounds like to them. You have to go about half way in. He's just singing gibberish so you can hear it without understanding it.
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[7:49] <RITRedbeard> Where?!
[7:49] <RITRedbeard> You lied to us!
[7:49] <mpthompson> Ooops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU4w12oDjn8
[7:49] <RITRedbeard> That's the ticket...
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[7:50] <RITRedbeard> whoa, this is weird
[7:50] <mpthompson> He sounds like he wraps with an American accent. The girls sound more German to me.
[7:50] <Da|Mummy> you know you can link to exact time in youtube videos, right?
[7:50] <RITRedbeard> &t=xhymzs
[7:50] <RITRedbeard> word
[7:51] <RITRedbeard> if my teachers and professors broke out in song numbers I'd probably pay more attention
[7:51] <Da|Mummy> or just right click on the time you want link to start and there ya go
[7:51] <RITRedbeard> I don't have a mouse
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[7:53] <mpthompson> Anyway, it gives a taste of what English sounds like if you could somehow turn of your brain from attempting to understand it. I wonder what I sound like to me dog? :-)
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[7:59] <RITRedbeard> Cheery, just read the join and part messages and pretend they're your native language... that you no longer understand. :)
[8:01] <Cheery> doesn't work as I can understand them
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[9:37] <Gadgetoid> Morning, or whatever time it may be! Am I having a brain fail looking for Fedora Remix?
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> it's morning here :)
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[9:41] <Gadgetoid> Woohoo, nailed!
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Are you looking at the Fedora Pi install?
[9:41] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, looks like Fedora remix on the Pi is elusive at the moment, with a release possibly happening this month if they can work magic
[9:42] <Gadgetoid> But, yes, that's what I was digging for
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> I suspect most people are using debian for now.
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[9:42] <gordonDrogon> I am, but I've been using Debian for the past 18 years...
[9:42] <Gadgetoid> Aye, I'd set up with Debian to start??? I'm pretty comfortable with it versus Fedora which I know basically nothing about
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> so nothing to lose (or gain :)
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> so go with Debian...
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[9:44] <Gadgetoid> I'm just clearing off a slightly larger SD card, installing ruby/rvm basically ate the entire 2GB I'd started out with
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> woops :)
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> The Debian image needs a 2GB card
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> although there's about 500MB left over.
[9:44] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I had it on 2GB and it blew through the remaining 500MB
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> and it's easy to expand the filesystem.
[9:45] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to guess I'll need to partition my own rather than DD the image straight onto it, but despite doing this for the Pandora I'm not that clued in
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> DD into the card and boot it on the Pi. then you can re-partition on the fly.
[9:46] <Gadgetoid> Stepping up to 16GB so I've got lots of room for??? "cruft" and anally retentive VIM configurations
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> See this for some details if you're not comfortable:
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> I've put up the runes needed to expand it there.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> or you can just make a new partition...
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[9:48] <Gadgetoid> The partitioning layout is basically the same as on the Pandora??? FAT32 boot, swap and EXT* for root
[9:48] <Gadgetoid> I've half a mind to shove my Pandora SD in there and see what happens??? probably explosions
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> I don't know anything about the Pandora system - it's another ARM dev. board, I presume?
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> it's unlikely to boot though - the GPU needs to boot itself first then it loads the linux kernel for the ARM.
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> so if you don't have the GPU boot code, then nothing is going to happen...
[9:50] <Gadgetoid> It's an ARM-based hand-held computer??? but yeah, it'll probably choke
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> ah, openpandora, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_%28console%29
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> That's the one
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> Interersting concept..
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[9:53] <Gadgetoid> Aye, it's an awesome piece of kit!
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> says the man who's invested ?100's on it ;-)
[9:53] <Gadgetoid> Truth!
[9:53] <Gadgetoid> I'm nothing if not biased
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> I know that feeling well!
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 370 euro blobs.
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> how long is the current waiting list, I wonder...
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> wish I had the time for all this... )-:
[9:55] <Gadgetoid> I pre-ordered it forever ago??? waited over 2 years, no idea what the wait is like now
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, took me long enough to get my Pi!
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> although I cheated in the end and went to ebay..
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[9:57] <Gadgetoid> Hax! Did it cost a premium?
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[9:57] <zag> does anyone know a good utility that will show the cpu temp in debian?
[9:58] <zag> raspi running a little hot after 3 days
[9:58] <Gadgetoid> I was lucky, I registered my interest with RS, ordered on Friday, got it yesterday morning
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the Pi has sensors.
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> I pad ?105 for mine, so over the odds, but not compltely silly money.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Linux sensors is a package called lm-sensors, but I've checked it on mine, and no sensors...
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[9:59] <Gadgetoid> Pretty comparable to other dev boards, I almost caved and bought a Pandaboard
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Is the CPU too hot to touch, or does it just feel hot?
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[9:59] <drazyl> can you cook an egg on it?
[9:59] <Gadgetoid> zag: Use a thermometer, it's not like the CPU is hard to get to!
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> if it's too hot to keep a finger on for more than a few seconds its typically > 45C.
[9:59] <pjm__> Gadgetoid hi, what time did u originally register interest on RS? I also got my board y/day having ordered it on friday too
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[9:59] <Gadgetoid> pjm__: I don't know, I did it twice??? once on launch day, and once the day after
[10:00] <pjm__> ahh ok i did mine at about 2 mins to 6am on 'launch' day
[10:00] <zag> also has anyone tried unraring things on the raspi? like a blueray release?
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> RS seem to have stopped sending me emails - but I didn't regsiter until 6pm on the 29th.
[10:00] <zag> I want to make it into a downloading server, but not sure its got the cpu to unrar quick enough
[10:00] <Gadgetoid> I'm pretty happy with their stupendously quick delivery, and ??30.87 all inclusive was a steal
[10:01] <pjm__> yes overall RS were not bad, its just a great shame the whole 'get to market' has been so slow!
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> I ordered with Farnell at the same time - they have given me a date of w/c the 21st of May, so...
[10:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: No harm in having 2! the start of your very own beowulf cluster
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> heh
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> they seem to want to call it a "Bramble" cluster on the forums. Weird, but ...
[10:03] <gonzo-_> Hi. UART output on my R-Pi is partially garbled, like this: mmc0: SDHC{??.?..?...??|?K?u.using platform's DMA
[10:03] <Gadgetoid> Ha ha??? that's almost funny!
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[10:03] <gonzo-> What could be wrong with it?
[10:03] <xranby> drazyl: my raspberry pi cpu temperature is around 39*C
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> zag, I've been overclocking my Pi for some time now and it's not running too hot at all. Chip temp is 41C.
[10:04] <Gadgetoid> I'm itching to hook random shit up to the GPIO port and see what happens??? I'm treading new ground for myself, though, and wondering if I should jumper a megadrive controller to it
[10:04] <zag> thx gd, yeh I doubt its over 40C
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> I've been playing with the GPIO - just switched and LEDs for now, but going to order up some motors next week.
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: is an LED basically just a bridge from an output pin to GND?
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> 45C is about the cut-off temp. for most people to touch something for any length of time.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> yes, via a current limiting resistor.
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> you can also connect it to +3.3V too, then the LED is on when the output is set low.
[10:06] <xranby> Gadgetoid: do keep in mind that the gpio pins are dirrectly wire to the cpu core
[10:06] <xranby> they are not designed to deliver a lot of current
[10:06] <xranby> to power a led
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> 16mA max.
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> those LEDs have 330 ohm limiting resistors in series with them.
[10:07] <fALSO> hi
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> although according to the specs, it really ought to be 47 ohms...
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I did run a couple with 47 ohm resistors just to check and they're a little bit brighter, but not worth it for the 4x current draw IMO.
[10:08] <xranby> gordonDrogon: looks nice
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> it's just a breadboard so I can quickly hookup stuff to experiment.
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> it's the one from skpang.
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> the arduino on the bigger board is connected to the Pi via USB serial.
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> Nice setup, exactly the sort of think I'm looking to tinker with
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[10:10] <Gadgetoid> Although it would probably be better for me if I had a breakout board for the Pi, to protect it from??? stupidity
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> if you get the skpang board, remember to get the breadboard and wires - sold separately.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> else you good and end up with http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess1.jpg
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> and having to pay a 2nd lot of postage!
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> looks like a good starter. comes with the breadboard.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I got this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> then ordered the breadboard separately.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I was looking at the red one, looks good!
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's a good colour :)
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[10:13] <gordonDrogon> One thing I've just found which is annoying is that I can't plug in a composite video lead without taking it out of the housing )-:
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> looks great for students
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> I've got to demo it tomorow and the only monitor we have takes composite video in.
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> Yeah the composite video connector is a bit tight in there, you need an L-adaptor
[10:13] * gordonDrogon nods. don't have one..
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> not a big issue for me as I now have it connected to the DVI port on my PC monitor.
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> Might even have trouble getting an adaptor in there, though!
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Is it the 390 breadboard that goes with that red case?
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> yes: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/breadboard-390-contacts-p-365.html
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[10:16] <gordonDrogon> I got 2 packs of their female to male wires too.
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> The 10 pack? must be larger packs somewhere
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> I remember when those breadboard used to cost an absolute fortune too.
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> there are big packs of m/m but not m/f that I could find...
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> it's only for the initial jumpers off the Pi that you need the female ends..
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[10:19] <Gadgetoid> I'm tempted just to get the starter kit for now
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[10:20] <xranby> is any of the rasbian armhf maintainers here?
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> My rapidly diminishing paypal balance would thank me, most likely
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> if nothing else it'll keep the Pi off the carpet :)
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> Right, off to first-boot and repartition this SD card now :D
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> good luck!
[10:21] <Gadgetoid> Cheers, I'll probably need it!
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> xranby, not heard from any this moning..
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> xranby, had some good results with raspbian last night though!
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> finally got X going (xfce4!) and my app. compiled and running.
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[10:22] <xranby> nice.. i was cheking their logs and to my delight the builders had managed to build openjdk-6 but i cant find the debs in the archive
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I was somewhat amusedt that xfce4 had built but not lxde!
[10:23] <xranby> also i know why their openjdk-7 build fail, (its fixed in icedtea upstream)
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> so I just went for it and installed xfce4.
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I pulled my configs over from my desktop and it's there - looks more or less the same as my normal desktop does (minus a few widgets I've not installed)
[10:24] <timmillwood> does xfce run ok?
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> it appears to.
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[10:24] <timmillwood> I run it well on my intel i5, 8GB ram, etc
[10:24] <timmillwood> but on a raspi :s I'd be worried
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> I turned compositing off as it makes window drags a bit slow, but it wasn't unusable with it on, just a bit clunky.
[10:25] <xranby> gordonDrogon: how odd. my rasbian setup cant find the xfce4 dependencies after running a apt-get update
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I've not tried any big apps yet though and I have my desktop configured as a basic window manager (ie. turned the desktop stuff off)
[10:27] <xranby> never mind. my /etc/apt/sources.list was broken
[10:27] <xranby> im now getting the xfce4 packages
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> 182 apt-get install x-org
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> 183 apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> 184 apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> 185 apt-get install xorg
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> history of my gets...
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the first 2 were goofs..
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> Kb Mem: 190812 total, 183200 used, 7612 free, 9784 buffers
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> Kb Swap: 131068 total, 140 used, 130928 free, 124896 cached
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> that's with the basic 192MB kernel and running xfce4 and not a lot else.
[10:29] <zag> whats the quickest SD card to get? do any class 6 ones work?
[10:30] <zag> raspi speed is unusable to me in a desktop environment atm
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> my class 6 is tempramental. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't )-:
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> zag don't use it as a general purpose desktop then :)
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> really - start the desktop, start one application and that's that. It'll never be a workstation replacement.
[10:33] <BenO> zag, You are likely to get an improvement if you move the rootfs to a usb stick
[10:33] <BenO> SD cards tend to be tuned to serve big files fast, rather than lots of small files
[10:33] <BenO> (due to camera demands/sales tactics)
[10:34] <Hourd_> my class 4 sd card is not too bad
[10:34] <BenO> Hourd_, Sandisk?
[10:34] <Hourd_> Kodak lol
[10:34] <BenO> heh :)
[10:34] <Hourd_> lifted it out of a camera
[10:34] <BenO> I'm using my 3DS's one ;)
[10:35] <Hourd_> run an application per workspace just fine, any more and it gets a bit taxing to use
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[10:36] <zag> I cant even browse the web really
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[10:36] <zag> too slow
[10:36] <zag> switching to my intel desktop each time to read tutorials!
[10:37] <BenO> zag, That's not unexpected - browsers tend to be beasts
[10:37] <zag> shame really, kinds restricts learning program if you have to read real books again :)
[10:37] <zag> to program*
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[10:38] <BenO> zag, It's okay on mobile sites/sites that can lower js/etc usage
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> right. stuff to do elsewhere today.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> laters
[10:39] <BenO> zag, hopefully, devices like the pi will make browser folk take another look at what is acceptable :)
[10:39] <Hourd_> midori seems ok to browse on the pi
[10:39] <Hourd_> and most sites with tutorials or programming information tend not to be js heavy
[10:39] <zag> seriously?
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[10:39] <zag> takes 20 seconds to load a webpage for me
[10:40] <zag> thats unusable
[10:40] <zag> or maybe i just got used to my core i5 with ssd drive ;)
[10:40] <Hourd_> was loading the rpi forums in <5 seconds a page
[10:40] <BenO> zag, it makes it like you are browsing the internet in the 90's :)
[10:40] <Hourd_> why would ssd speed up page load times?
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[10:41] <zag> new tabs ect
[10:41] <Hourd_> ?
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[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[10:41] * hourd is now known as Hourd
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> what browser are you using?
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[10:42] <zag> I use chrome on my windows desktop
[10:42] <zag> so much faster than firefox
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant on pi
[10:43] <zag> midori
[10:43] <zag> on debian
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ....
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not having the problems you've described on my pi
[10:43] <zag> hmm intereting, its a new debian install
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I am using arch, but that shouldn't make a difference
[10:44] <Hourd> the only problem i am having with my pi is keyboard and mouse at the same time
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll get the pi and double check
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> what site are you on?
[10:44] <zag> the elinux site
[10:44] <zag> wiki
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[10:45] <zag> maybe its that animated gif on the front page ;)
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[10:46] <gonzo-> Is someone working on u-boot or redboot port for raspberry-pi?
[10:46] <BenO> Dillo's a useful and very limited browser
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[10:51] <Hourd> seems to be a nice range of isues with the pi :)
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[10:55] <zag> sorry for the noob question but how do i install stuff?
[10:55] <zag> do i need to log in as root?
[10:55] <zag> If so whats the password on debian?
[10:55] <BenO> zag, "sudo"
[10:56] <BenO> easiest way is to open a terminal and type in "sudo apt-get install ......"
[10:56] <zag> yeh got that but where do i write it? On the "root terminal"? Its asking for a password..
[10:57] <BenO> Just press return
[10:57] <BenO> or try the 'raspberry' password
[10:57] <BenO> Any terminal will do, as 'sudo' means effectively 'Super User Do'
[10:57] <zag> "incorrect password, try again"
[10:58] <BenO> Just open a terminal, not the 'root terminal' one
[10:58] <zag> sudo
[10:58] <zag> ahh ok
[10:59] <zag> sorry im a limux n00b
[10:59] <zag> they do make things hard sometimes
[10:59] <BenO> zag, don't worry - everyone was a noob at some point
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[11:00] <BenO> zag, You are looking at something that reminds you of the windows 'cmd' app now?
[11:00] <BenO> zag, "pi@raspberry ... $ "
[11:01] <BenO> zag, to install something you want, type in:
[11:01] <BenO> sudo apt-get install ....
[11:01] <BenO> where the dots is the name of something you want
[11:01] <BenO> eg 'sudo apt-get install midori'
[11:02] <BenO> To find things to install, use "apt-cache search ...." (you don't need sudo privileges to search)
[11:02] <zag> hurray, i just wrote my first linux command
[11:02] <BenO> Cool :)
[11:02] <zag> benchmarked the sd card
[11:03] <BenO> zag, tested it by writing one large file, or lots of small 4kbish files?
[11:05] <zag> just followed the wiki guide
[11:05] <BenO> zag, http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[11:05] <zag> 500k
[11:05] <zag> file
[11:05] <zag> 3.2 mb/s
[11:05] <zag> Sandisk class 4 8gb
[11:06] <SBeans> question: does everyone here use sudo?
[11:06] <SBeans> I personally try to avoid it, I use su
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[11:06] <BenO> zag, sounds like it is in the right ballpark
[11:06] <BenO> SBeans, debian image is set up with sudo, rather than a root account
[11:07] <BenO> so to speak
[11:07] <SBeans> It's nice to have a terminal/session that is dedicated to super user commands. So that the history is kept seperate to the normal stuff
[11:07] <SBeans> I see, like ubuntu
[11:07] <SBeans> or should I say, ubuntu is like debain
[11:07] <BenO> SBeans, yep, that sort of history can be very handy
[11:07] <nid0> SBeans, personally I just enabled root
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[11:09] <haltdef> sudo is incredibly annoying
[11:09] <Hourd> i know alot of people that put sudo bash in their bashrc
[11:09] <BenO> I guess sudo might come in handy when explaining things to new users - avoiding the topic of root user for a little while. And also, sometimes you just want a sandwich ;) http://xkcd.com/149/
[11:09] <haltdef> first thing I do is sudo passwd root under ubuntu
[11:10] <SBeans> I agree, sudo for beginers
[11:10] <Hourd> BenO: i do have that aliased
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[11:11] <rm> "sudo su", do whatever you need, then "exit" (or Ctrl-D)
[11:11] <SBeans> its good as you run everything as not-root and then you are told, when something has to be root, then you can really think about what you are doing. But now Im a little more expirenced, I just have a su'd session in my screen.
[11:11] <BenO> Talking about browsers earlier, I'm finding 'kazehakase' to be quite fine (run via ssh -X)
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> kazehakase ftw!
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[11:12] <BenO> Seems a lot nippier than midori on the pi
[11:12] <BenO> (IMO)
[11:16] <Hourd> SBeans: screen of tmux?
[11:16] <Hourd> *or
[11:17] <SBeans> screen
[11:17] <SBeans> i've not use tmux
[11:18] <Skorpy> tmux is better
[11:18] <SBeans> whats the adv disadv between the two
[11:19] <SBeans> 10:16 < Skorpy> tmux is better < I highly doubt it's that clear cut
[11:19] <BenO> SBeans, IIRC tmux was better with dodgy connections
[11:20] <SBeans> ?
[11:20] <SBeans> what does that mean?
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[11:20] <BenO> SBeans, http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multiplexer/
[11:20] <BenO> "(windows are their own clients which allows flexibility on how you handle windows. You can attach and detach different windows in different sessions without any issues)"
[11:21] <BenO> SBeans, But hey, I still use screen ;
[11:21] <BenO> ;)
[11:22] <Veryevil> I just started using Terminator for multiple terminal windows that nicely arrange themselves
[11:22] <SBeans> hmm]
[11:22] <BenO> Veryevil, I used that for a bit - quite nice. I'm using guake at the mo
[11:22] <SBeans> I can see the appeal
[11:23] <wjoe> they're very similar. tmux uses ctrl-b instead of ctrl-a (by default, can be changed), but the rest of the shortcuts are similar
[11:23] <fALSO> tmux4lyfe
[11:23] <fALSO> :-D
[11:23] <SBeans> I personally don't do much window-splitting, or resizing and probably wouldnt utalize the flexabilty of windows much, so I guess for me they'd be pretty even
[11:23] <fALSO> also openbsd rules :-)
[11:24] <SBeans> ok so Pi question: using arch Linux, never set up my own GUI before, alsways used ubuntu, or just CLI with gentoo...
[11:24] <SBeans> what should I use?
[11:25] <urs> Also, in order to switch to tmux, I'd have to *terminate* my screen session.
[11:25] <SBeans> hahhahah
[11:25] <urs> I don't do that more than once per year. Preferably less.
[11:25] <SBeans> agreed
[11:25] <urs> Same with switching to weechat from irssi
[11:26] <SBeans> 10:24:28 up 98 days, 19:54, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
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[11:26] <SBeans> At least another 100 days before I want to be typing screen again
[11:26] <wjoe> I think I only got around to switching from screen to tmux because my server crashed
[11:26] <SBeans> *"screen"
[11:26] <SBeans> ooo also 100 days soon
[11:26] <SBeans> that will be niec
[11:27] <SBeans> probably crash it by then
[11:27] <urs> But it's a good thing the screen+irssi monoculture gets replaced by a screen/tmux+irssi/weechat mixture. Mixture is good.
[11:27] <Hourd> indeed
[11:27] <SBeans> agreed
[11:28] <SBeans> also weechat?
[11:28] <SBeans> it's great when there's choice, but also it can get frustrating, I want to try and test everything and use the best (for me) but sometime thats not possible :/
[11:29] <fALSO> ololloolol weechat
[11:29] <fALSO> that like the nano of irc clients
[11:29] <fALSO> lloolollololo
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[11:30] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, you might experiencing a usb bug. Try unpluggin your keyboard and just leaving your mouse, then loading a page.
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[11:33] <SBeans> wait, nano is awesome
[11:33] <SBeans> I love nano
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> don't say that in #linux or any dev channel! =O
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[11:34] <stamen> though shall have no editor other than emacs
[11:34] <stamen> thou
[11:35] <Gwayne> Who defiled the holy name of VI !
[11:35] <stamen> emacs the one true editor
[11:35] <Hourd> vim x emacs
[11:35] <ShiftPlusOne> you're all wrong, MS Paintbrush is the ultimate editor.
[11:35] <ngilles> magnetized needle and steady hand guys
[11:35] <ngilles> please
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> needle? I just release a butterfly ...
[11:35] <Hourd> :P
[11:36] <Gwayne> No only follow the TRUE editor of the world, and its name is VI :-)
[11:36] <ngilles> gordonDrogon: that's the ultime method, but come on, we want to achieve practical time scales :D
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> ok, then use vim :)
[11:36] <Gwayne> :-)
[11:36] <ngilles> Gwayne: I'll argue against that for using vim instead
[11:36] <ngilles> its addistions are quite welcome :D
[11:37] <Gwayne> I can live with that :-)
[11:37] <Hourd> i have managed to get a guy at work to use vim, before that he used dreamweaver...
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with editors is that there are so many of them...
[11:37] <Gwayne> I wish I had vim on my aix machines
[11:37] <Gwayne> Nah on unix vi is always available
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> and I started with line editors, then pseudo screen editors, then vi ...
[11:37] <Gwayne> Your old :-)
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> I was once tasked with porting microemacs then full emacs to a new unixy system... but I had to port vi first...
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[11:38] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'm old :)
[11:38] <Gwayne> Good old times :-)
[11:38] <Gwayne> I never had to do that
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I was part of a team that re-wrote/ported minix to the transputer once upon a time...
[11:39] <Gwayne> My unix world started with AIX 3.1 and Linux kernel 0.99
[11:39] <Gwayne> Cool
[11:39] <ngilles> gordonDrogon: that's for making me feel young again :-)
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> however, while it worked OK, other things were gathering pace - and we dumped it for sunos on the new (at the time) sparcstation.
[11:39] <Gwayne> Well now we have the raspberrypi :)
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[11:40] <Gwayne> I wonder if the raspberry has the same computing power as those first sparcstations though
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> the early ones I used were about 33MHz or 66MHz IIRC.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> they probably had a faster memory system.
[11:41] <ngilles> gordonDrogon: and no "turbo" button for the 66MHz ones like the for x86 machines ? :D
[11:41] <ngilles> I suppose there were less "cpu speed" sensitve games for sparcstations
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> I helped build a big cluster of them in the early 90's... We had 256 compute nodes of a twin sparc running at 77MHz with 128MB of RAM on each node.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> in its day it was fantastic.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> No1 in the world, etc.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> but 20 years later a single PC is about as fast..
[11:43] <SBeans> The problem with using butterflys to code, is the there is no syntax highlighting
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> that's progress for you!
[11:43] <SBeans> and undo is a bit buggy
[11:43] <SBeans> *butterflies vov
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> and now I must progress myself to a client.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> laters.
[11:44] <Hourd> later
[11:45] <zgreg> does anyone know if the next debian image release will include ipv6 support out of the box?
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[11:47] <Dagger2> zgreg: I asked on the forums a month or two ago and was brushed off
[11:48] <Dagger2> "The base Debian distro is just that, a base install to get the board going ??? no frills, bells or whistles."
[11:48] <zgreg> that's hardly a special feature
[11:49] <zgreg> the backwards attitude is exactly what is holding ipv6 back
[11:49] <zgreg> sigh
[11:50] <ngilles> zgreg: indeed, it's nice to see some distributions/OS are now looking at making ipv6 only kernels possible
[11:50] <Ben64> people for some reason don't want to give up ipv4
[11:50] <ngilles> at least it gives place to start to test that things will work
[11:50] <zgreg> ipv6 only? not going to happen anytime soon
[11:50] <zgreg> but we need dualstack
[11:51] <Ben64> ipv6 doesn't seem like its happening anytime soon either
[11:51] <Dagger2> NAT64 does actually go a long way. I have v6-only VPSs
[11:51] <Ben64> it'd solve so many problems
[11:51] <ngilles> zgreg: of course we will need dual stack for quite some time, but it's nice to see there is some progression to make ipv6 stand by itself
[11:51] <zgreg> it's happening right now here
[11:52] <Ben64> no more NAT, no more vhosts
[11:52] <zgreg> actually the raspi site is IPv6 cabable too (surprised me)
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[11:52] <Ben64> until all the ISPs start doing ipv6 it won't happen
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[11:52] <Hourd> yeah =[ oh well
[11:52] <Dagger2> zgreg: oh hey, there was some small amount of activity on the forum thread -- http://tinyurl.com/6lrkuux
[11:52] <Hourd> also how will people remember ip addresses when its all ipv6? :O
[11:53] <ngilles> Ben64: and that won't happen until they are certain upgrading all their gear will be worth the money
[11:53] <Dagger2> might be worth emailing or adding your voice on the forums
[11:53] <zgreg> Dagger2: didn't try NAT64 yet, but I suppose it will be quite problematic for some applications?
[11:53] <Ben64> Hourd: same way as ipv4... domain names :D
[11:53] <Dagger2> Hourd: surely you've heard of this DNS thing. it's been around for 30 years or so now...
[11:53] <ngilles> Hourd: a lot of them are still full of 0s ;-)
[11:53] <zgreg> yes, they aren't that complicated with the shortened syntax
[11:54] <Ben64> or do DEAD:BEEF:BABE::FAB
[11:54] <zgreg> it's a bit more complicated than IPv4 to remember, but nowhere near 4x as hard
[11:54] <Dagger2> and, yeah, short addresses are fine... and since you're supposed to get a /48, your addresses can be short
[11:54] <Dagger2> in fact v4 requires you to remember two separate 32-bit addresses = 64 bits total, and you can make v6 addresses that are shorter than that
[11:54] <Ben64> requires?
[11:55] <zgreg> Dagger2: actually I think this extreme wasteful address allocation is a bad thing
[11:55] <Dagger2> so... I don't see how it'll be harder to remember the (shorter) v6 address
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[11:55] <zgreg> and I think the interface identifier should be shorter, maybe 48 bits instead of 64
[11:55] <Dagger2> zgreg: we have 5000 /48s available per _person_ on the planet. do you really think that allocating a /48 for each network is going to be a problem?
[11:55] <Hourd> Ben64: lol i can remember most of the IPs for the machines at work...
[11:56] <Ben64> 192.168.1.1-254
[11:56] <Ben64> not hard
[11:56] <ngilles> Dagger2: when we move into space and finally create intergalactic networks, yes, it will be a problem! ;-)
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[11:56] <zgreg> in theory the address space of IPv6 is HUGE, but if everyone gets a /48 no questions asked, it's only 2^16 more than the IPv4 space
[11:56] <Ben64> 74.125.224.230 = harder
[11:57] <Dagger2> zgreg: that's not true... we're not giving /48s per computer, but /48s per network. you can stick effectively an infinite amount of computers in a /48
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[11:57] <Dagger2> and as I say, 5000 /48s available per person on the planet. it's hard to argue that we're going to hit that
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[11:57] <ngilles> Dagger2: so it really comes down ot the definition of "network"
[11:57] <Ben64> i think a lot of places do /48 per person
[11:58] <Dagger2> (and even if we do, that's just out of 2000::/3. we still have five more /3 blocks the same size)
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[11:58] <zgreg> Dagger2: well, some DSL providers are already giving out /48s quite happily... for probably a single computer
[11:58] <ngilles> is a person a network (thing PAN), or is it his house/family, what about his car ... etc
[11:58] <Dagger2> zgreg: how many people do you know with 5000 DSL connections? or even five, for that matter?
[11:59] <ngilles> zgreg: that's most likely a /48 per DSL endpoint/house
[11:59] <zgreg> Dagger2: these calculations don't measure up
[11:59] <zgreg> you don't know how the address space will be used in the future, so the allocation should be somewhat conservative
[11:59] <zgreg> and a /48 for a single household and possible only a single machine is definitely complete waste
[11:59] <zgreg> a /64 woul easily do
[12:00] <Dagger2> ngilles: on A&A it's a /48 per customer. if they have multiple lines, tunnels etc each line gets a different /64 or /60 from the /48. which seems like a reasonable way to do it
[12:00] <Ben64> by my count, there are 281,474,976,579,584 /48s total
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[12:00] <Dagger2> zgreg: how do they not add up? 2^45/7 billion = 5026
[12:00] <zgreg> Ben64: remember there are some reserved ranges for special uses already
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[12:01] <ngilles> Dagger2: ah, ok, yeah, still reasonable, somehow, but I would for example expect different customer classes to get different sized networks, just like it was with v4
[12:01] <ngilles> i.e. your typical household with DSL most likely doesn't need /48, or even /64
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[12:01] <zgreg> additionally, IIRC registrars easily can get a /32, and sometimes even a /29
[12:02] <Dagger2> ngilles: why bother though? there's enough space to just give everyone a /48, so why bother with the pain of dealing with different size allocations?
[12:03] <zgreg> readily giving out these huge ranges is a big waste as well, and I can already see us in the same situation as now with a few early adaptors sitting on big IPv4 /8 networks
[12:03] <Dagger2> zgreg: the registrars get /12 blocks. /32 is the standard size for ISPs (but each /32 has seven unassigned /32s after it, to allow ISPs to grow to /29 without fragmenting their space)
[12:04] <ngilles> zgreg: I don't think we will hit that problem "soon" though, considering the huge number involved
[12:04] <ngilles> Dagger2: I don't know, I think it's the "principle" that bothers me
[12:04] <Dagger2> and giving a single /64 to a DSL customer is a bad idea. the rule is a single /64 if you _know_ the end-user will only use one /64. if there's a chance they might use more, give them more
[12:04] <Dagger2> e.g. I use two subnets at home right now. I need more than /64.
[12:04] <zgreg> Dagger2: well, they can ask for it
[12:04] <Ben64> no you don't
[12:05] <Ben64> a /64 is more addresses than you will ever use
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[12:05] <Dagger2> it's only a single subnet though, and I'm using two subnets
[12:06] <Dagger2> it's IPv6. it's too big to be counting individual IPs anymore
[12:06] <Ben64> why would you need more than one subnet
[12:06] <zgreg> give DSL customers a single /64, and if they need more they get another one, or a /56
[12:07] <Dagger2> Ben64: split wireless or v6-only VLAN will do that
[12:07] <Dagger2> Ben64: or a VPN
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[12:07] <zgreg> Dagger2: well the problem with that is how the address space is divided
[12:08] <Dagger2> or how about plugging a router in behind your own router? in v4-land that would be double-NAT. in v6-land you can use DHCPv6-PD to automatically route a /64 (or better, /60 or /56) to the client router
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[12:08] <zgreg> but what's the rationale for using 64 bits for the interface identifier, anyway?
[12:09] <zgreg> 48 or even 32 bits would have sufficed
[12:09] <Dagger2> zgreg: I don't see it as a problem though. I don't see how we're going to get to the point where each person has 5000 /48s allocated to them
[12:09] <zgreg> you're seeing it from the wrong perspective
[12:09] <zgreg> the address space is huge, no doubt
[12:09] <Dagger2> we don't even use that many _single IPs_ in v4, and each of those /48s takes a whole sprawling network
[12:10] <zgreg> but the way it's divided is very wasteful
[12:10] <Hourd> Ben64: yeah the work IPs are not 192.168.1.*
[12:11] <Dagger2> well, I do agree 2^64 computers is... more than you can put on a single L2 broadcast domain
[12:11] <zgreg> and "because we can" is not a good justification for wasting space. you never know the future. :)
[12:11] <Dagger2> 32 bits might have been pushing it a bit... a very large network with privacy addresses enabled would experience quite a few address collisions
[12:12] <zgreg> I'm sure people will invent creative applications that waste tremendois amounts of address space. you know, because they can
[12:12] <Dagger2> but I just don't see it as a problem, since... 5000 /48s per person
[12:12] <zgreg> there already are some of these applications
[12:12] <Dagger2> obviously if you start giving /48s to every single individual machine out there, that would be bad
[12:13] <Dagger2> but I'm not suggesting that, I'm suggesting one /48 per network ("network" here being roughly either one ISP customer or one company)
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[12:14] <Dagger2> and if there really is a magic use invented, it can have space allocated out of the other five /3s that I'm ignoring at the moment
[12:14] <zgreg> well, for DSL end-users it makes more sense to allocate a smaller /56 at least
[12:14] <zgreg> that's still much more than they'll ever need
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[12:15] <Dagger2> zgreg: yeah, ok, I find it hard to argue with /56 (although I would prefer /48 myself because it gives shorter/neater addresses... even if I do use DNS everywhere)
[12:15] <Dagger2> but definitely more than /64, please
[12:16] <Dagger2> there's 1.3 million /56s per person on the planet, so there's really no justification for trying to conserve more space on top of that
[12:18] <pfoetchen> yeah my board justr arrived ;)
[12:19] <ngilles> I've yet to receive my invitation :'(
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[12:28] <zag> does the raspi have a web server built in on the debian image>
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[12:28] <zag> ?
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[12:31] <nid0> no, apt-get install apache2 will sort that out though
[12:31] <Dagger2> zag: I don't know if it comes with one, but you can install it trivially enough
[12:31] <nid0> replace apache2 with your choice of webserver, theres like 20 available in the repos
[12:31] <zag> yep just reading this guide
[12:31] <zag> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/486
[12:32] <zag> will it work?
[12:32] <nid0> yeah
[12:32] <zag> also how do i find out the raspi's IP?
[12:32] <nid0> are you on a nat network?
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[12:34] <zag> yeh dhcp
[12:34] <chris_99> zag, ifconfig
[12:34] <zag> ahh one letter change :)
[12:34] <zag> damn linux hehe
[12:34] <chris_99> you meant the local ip i presume?
[12:35] <zag> yeh
[12:35] <zag> got it
[12:36] <zag> no web server running then on default debian install
[12:42] <SBeans> is the lxde package on arch called "lxdm"
[12:42] <SBeans> ?
[12:42] <chris_99> dd'ing this image is taking an age :(
[12:44] <Hourd> zag: yeah not even ssh server running by default
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[12:54] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[12:54] <Cheery> I concluded that tutorial
[12:54] <Cheery> going to fix issues and then move on.
[12:55] * SocksG hopes people are changing the username/password combination before enabling ssh server.
[12:57] <Hourd> me too
[12:57] <Hourd> guy at uni didnt... and he gave 'guest' access to everyone
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[13:01] <zgreg> type "ip addr" into a shell
[13:01] <zgreg> whoops
[13:01] <zgreg> wrong window
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[13:03] <zag> is there an easy way to take screenshots on debian?
[13:04] <SBeans> ...
[13:04] <SBeans> the print screen button?
[13:06] <aditsu_with_pi> zag: gimp
[13:06] <zag> does the print screen button work like windows?
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[13:09] <SBeans> zag I don't really know, I'm sure google will
[13:09] <SBeans> its probably dependant on what window manager you are using
[13:10] <SBeans> http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots
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[13:30] <gurgalof> aw, i could have gotten my pi today, but i was asleep when dhl was here...
[13:30] <Hexxeh> ParcelFarce dropped another Pi off today
[13:30] <Hexxeh> RS Online packaging is so much better than Farnell's...
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[13:31] <Hourd> so you have 2 now?
[13:32] <Veryevil> He has three i think
[13:32] <Hourd> awwww how cute, they have friends
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[13:35] <Hexxeh> three yeah
[13:36] <Hourd> what are you doing with them all?
[13:37] <Ben64> taking them from other people :|
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[13:39] <Hourd> lawl
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[13:40] <Hexxeh> two of them are setup for remote access
[13:40] <Hexxeh> the other is still in it's box as it only arrived today as i was heading out for an exam
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[13:45] <Hourd> yes but what do you use them for? :P
[13:46] <Hexxeh> initially used one for porting chromium os, that's now on hold pending X acceleration
[13:46] <Hexxeh> currently working on a bootloader
[13:49] <Veryevil> oooh more information on this boot loader of your?
[13:49] <Hexxeh> kexecboot based
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[13:50] <Hexxeh> the idea is that you have a kexec-based bootloader on the SD card with no rootFS, just an initramfs with kexec/kexecboot and supporting libraries
[13:51] <Hexxeh> which never has to change (except for firmware updates), and your OSes stay on USB sticks
[13:51] <Hexxeh> which are arguably more abundant
[13:52] <tzarc> I'm assuming you want to boot stuff other than linux, because a simple initramfs built into a kernel on the SD will suffice for booting off other methods
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[13:52] <Hexxeh> tzarc: you don't even need the initramfs if you just want to boot a USB stick, setting root=/dev/sda is enough
[13:52] <tzarc> that too
[13:52] <Hexxeh> the initramfs is there to provide a menu and detection of the root device
[13:52] <tzarc> fair enough
[13:54] <Hourd> nice
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[13:56] <tzarc> kinda annoying, been trawling through kernel sources at work, now I don't want to touch the pi when I get home ;(
[14:00] <IT_Sean> send it to me. I'll touch it.
[14:00] <Hexxeh> sounds disturbing...
[14:01] * IT_Sean shrugs
[14:01] <tzarc> the intel graphics driver code most definitely is :P
[14:02] <drazyl> "I don't want, no sbc else, when I get home, I touch my pi...."
[14:02] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[14:04] <tzarc> might go read one of those things with all those bits of paper bound together
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[14:05] <tzarc> mmm, books, that's right
[14:05] <tzarc> catch ya, folks
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[14:39] <chris_99> does anyone know what kind of speeds they where getting when they dd'd the image
[14:43] <drazyl> 88mph
[14:43] <chris_99> hehe
[14:44] <chris_99> ah well, it's copied now, time to try it out
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[14:49] <Cheery> I guess I play ttd now. :)
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[14:56] <GordonH> quite here now, but I guess it's lunch time...
[14:56] <GordonH> it's always lunchtime somewhere :)
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[14:58] <IT_Sean> It's not lunchtime here.
[14:58] <Matt> no, it's not even cup of coffee time
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[14:59] <GordonH> nick gordonDrogon2
[14:59] <GordonH> doh
[14:59] <IT_Sean> hahaha
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[14:59] <IT_Sean> you gorgot the /
[15:00] <gordonDrogon2> silly laptop keyboard...
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[15:44] <cougarten> woa, took me 5 AC adapters, 3 hubs, 2 mice and 2 keyboards to figure out a working power supply configuration
[15:45] <_av500_> send a pic of that setup
[15:45] <davidburdon_> htc usb charger works a treat
[15:46] <cougarten> haha, the HTC one i couldnt find
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[15:47] <davidburdon_> looks like a dumpy ice lolly
[15:47] <Hourd> hehe i use the htc charger
[15:47] <Hourd> i still need to sort out a mouse though
[15:48] <davidburdon_> not sure what it's rated at
[15:48] <davidburdon_> but it's got some 'amps'!
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[15:51] <chrispi> does anyone know how to fix the resolution from some weird 11..x864 one
[15:52] <chrispi> 1184x624
[15:53] <ukscone> chrispi: probably using the config.txt file
[15:53] <cougarten> _av500_, http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/vcblamxa/0
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[15:54] <chrispi> hmm there doesn't appear to be an xorg.conf
[15:55] <cougarten> _av500_, it all came down to the oldest AC adapter and the oldest keyboard (which is my favorite, but not its trackball)
[15:55] <cougarten> (but mouse is no fun on the pi anyways)
[15:55] <fALSO> what do you want a mouse too ?
[15:56] <fALSO> X is useless without 2d aceleration
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[15:56] <nid0> my pi's just powered from my desktop with no problems
[15:56] <cougarten> fALSO, you are right :) but I'm not that firm in terminal multitasking and don't know what the good apps are :)
[15:57] <cougarten> and i need my one and only ethernet cable to browse some webs :)
[15:57] <stamen> lul
[15:57] <chrispi> can we play videos with acceleration
[15:57] <cougarten> chrispi, yes, but only with one specific player
[15:57] <cougarten> it's named in the wiki
[15:57] <cougarten> under troubleshooting i think
[15:57] <chrispi> ah bugger i wanted to use vlc
[15:58] <fALSO> openlec or sometjhing like that
[15:58] <cougarten> no, something else
[15:58] <fALSO> a new one ?
[15:58] <fALSO> xbmc ?
[15:58] <cougarten> was linked to xmbc i think
[15:58] <stamen> usbnet
[15:58] <cougarten> yeah no, the name differed :)
[15:58] <fALSO> ok
[15:58] <stamen> and iptables rules to forward traffic coming from the pi
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[16:01] <gurgalof> i want hardware h264 encoding
[16:01] <gurgalof> i know i won't get it :(
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[16:01] <cougarten> stamen, how does USBnet work? can the pi be a usb client?
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[16:04] <chrispi> omxplayer apparently
[16:04] <cougarten> right, thats what i read
[16:05] <chrispi> however it doesnt seem to be in the repo
[16:05] <stamen> http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/
[16:06] <stamen> thats a dated doc but still usbnet.ko
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[16:07] <cougarten> thank you
[16:07] <cougarten> but i guess appart from video i will just use ssh und put it within reach of the router with a shorter cable i have :)
[16:08] <chrispi> if anyones interested http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/omxplayer-gpu-enabled-video-player
[16:08] <ShiftPlusOne> chrispi, awesome, thanks.
[16:09] <cougarten> do we have any chance for another codec one day?
[16:09] <cougarten> for some things i don't like h264
[16:09] <ShiftPlusOne> there's always a chance, but there are no plans
[16:10] <fALSO> the h264 is decoded by the GPU
[16:10] <fALSO> not via software
[16:10] <fALSO> so no, no other codecs
[16:10] <cougarten> i know
[16:10] <cougarten> ... ok. i will have to see if it's good enough
[16:10] <ShiftPlusOne> the way it could happen is if the foundation makes a Model C with extra codecs or if someone hacks the binary blobs to enable extra codecs.
[16:10] <fALSO> has anyone tried to play normal xvid/divx videos on the pi ?
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll install mplayer and give it a go
[16:12] <fALSO> nice
[16:12] <cougarten> has anyone an HD example file?
[16:12] <fALSO> just to see if the cpu has enough horsepower to decode it
[16:12] <stamen> big buck bunny
[16:12] <stamen> downloads all over the place
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> big buck bunny plays well in openelec
[16:12] <cougarten> oh, right :)
[16:13] <zleap> i am sure bbb was playing on the raspPI demo videos
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> going to try chris' omxplayer as well
[16:13] <fALSO> shiftplusone, if you can... when you try a xvid file
[16:13] <fALSO> shiftplusone, please tell me something
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I only seem to have mpeg files
[16:15] <Hourd> i might put together a 'demo pack' sd card for when people aks what the pi can do
[16:15] <chrispi> cougarten, http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
[16:15] <Hourd> *ask
[16:15] <chrispi> the sound doesn't seem to be working for me
[16:15] <cougarten> chrispi, allready downloading, thx :)
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> chrispi, using alsa or omx?
[16:16] <chrispi> omxplayer
[16:16] <chrispi> i don't know how to get the sound working, if you even can?
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[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but how does omxplayer play sound?
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> chrispi, you can, xbmc plays sound just fine.
[16:16] <shirro> omxplayer plays sound nicely out hdmi
[16:16] <shirro> haven't tried it on the headphone
[16:17] <chrispi> doesn' t for me for somereason
[16:17] <chrispi> i'm using hdmi
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[16:17] <shirro> add -o hdmi to it
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[16:17] <cougarten> chrispi, can you find the torrent link?
[16:18] <cougarten> chrispi, ah, mp4 only
[16:18] <chrispi> thanks a lot shirro
[16:18] <chrispi> :)
[16:19] <chrispi> wait get the h264 one cougarten
[16:19] <cougarten> i know :) got it, it works
[16:19] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, found some xvid files, copying now.
[16:20] <fALSO> nice!
[16:20] <fALSO> i remember when i just had a pentium 300mhz
[16:20] <fALSO> i coulnt play xvid.... sad times
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[16:20] <fALSO> lol
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[16:21] <rm> you haven't tried hard enough
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[16:21] <rm> pretty sure xvid/divx of dvd resolution were playable
[16:21] <rm> given right codecs and proper video driver installed
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[16:21] <shirro> I haven't tried anything over 720p but all the xvid and x264 I threw at omxplayer were really nice quality
[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> so xvid works fine on pi then?
[16:22] <rm> does Pi have Xv acceleration yet?
[16:22] <rm> also, afaik by default the FPU is barely used, or used in a 'slow' manner (no hardfp)
[16:22] <shirro> rm: no. it doesn't have any GPU support outside of the OpenGL/OpenVG/OpenMax libs
[16:23] <rm> I'd say a Pentium 300 (we assume Pentium II, right) had a better FPU situation
[16:23] <shirro> rm: it depends on the distro.
[16:23] <rm> not to mention it had MMX and SSE
[16:24] <rm> wait, no SSE
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[16:24] <fALSO> rm, the cpu wasnt enough, it frame dropped
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[16:24] <rm> <ShiftPlusOne> so xvid works fine on pi then? <- so the answer is probably not
[16:25] <fALSO> lets wait for shiftplusone to try it out
[16:25] <rm> as soon as it has at least generic Xv acceleration
[16:25] <zgreg> xvid/divx is supported by the gpu, or at least should be
[16:25] <shirro> rm: I think the 1176jzf-s has some sort of simd
[16:25] <rm> you can give a shot to s/w decoding
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[16:25] <zgreg> also, xvideo hardly counts as acceleration these days :)
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[16:26] <rm> shirro, my guess is it's massively less well supported in common apps than even MMX was
[16:26] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: all the xvid I played with omxplayer worked very well
[16:26] <fALSO> really ?
[16:26] <fALSO> nice then
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, just to make sure... on pi?
[16:26] <zgreg> ARMv6 SIMD is indeed hardly supported anywhere
[16:26] <zgreg> because it's crap
[16:26] <rm> I don't consider X-less video playback as deserving any attention
[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> blasphemy >=/
[16:26] <rm> if it doesn't do video while in X, then it doesn't do video
[16:27] <fALSO> lol framebuffers
[16:27] * gordonDrogon waves.
[16:27] <shirro> rm: that is one opinion. I usually play video on dedicated media boxes so I don't really need X
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[16:28] <zgreg> I doubt video is going to play well in X any time soon
[16:28] <zgreg> and web video will likely never work
[16:28] <Hourd> but all my youtubes!
[16:29] <fALSO> have the alsa bugs been fixed ?
[16:29] <fALSO> or there is still sound only on hdmi ?
[16:29] <rm> if there's ever to be a proper 2D accelerating driver with EXA and Xv support
[16:29] <rm> then why not, web video will work too
[16:29] <rm> especially considering how it moves away from flash and to HTML5
[16:30] <stamen> vapor software
[16:30] <stamen> llul
[16:30] <zgreg> well, for web video to work, many parts of the puzzle need to be put into various places
[16:30] <Matt> :D
[16:30] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: I mounted some media with sshfs and ran omxplayer on a mix of mostly SD and 720p stuff, xvid and x264 and omxplayer on the Pi had no problems. I haven't tried full hd but from the specs it should work fine
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[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> great, thanks
[16:30] <zgreg> I'm not sure we're going to see it
[16:30] <shirro> though perhaps not over ssh :-)
[16:30] <zgreg> and then there's only limited support for VP8, if at all
[16:30] <rm> ah forget it
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[16:31] <rm> forget the h/w decoding
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> is omxplayer OK? I've not heard of it before...
[16:31] <shirro> zgreg: they might be convinced to do vp8 in the gpu though - no patent issues (much)
[16:31] <zgreg> rm: you want to do software decoding?!
[16:31] <rm> yep
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[16:31] <rm> with an optimized decoder you can play low-resolution videos
[16:31] <zgreg> well, good luck counting the seconds per frame then
[16:31] <shirro> rm: you are on the wrong channel. This is a $35 computer
[16:31] <rm> low being less than 720x480
[16:32] <rm> no one talks HD in s/w
[16:32] <zgreg> no, but even SD resolutions don't work with software decoding
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[16:32] <rm> they might
[16:32] <zgreg> especially not in a notoriously inefficient and slow web browser
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[16:32] <rm> given proper (fast) Xv support
[16:33] <rm> web browser, yes. But there's "mozilla-vlc-plugin", which basically just builds in VLC into the browser window to play videos
[16:33] <rm> or whatever-vlc-plugin
[16:33] <rm> if you don't use mozilla
[16:33] <rm> may have better luck with that
[16:33] <rm> heck, did you know VLC supports even raw URLs from YouTube?
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> hm. no oxmplayer in debian.
[16:34] <rm> it fetches the page, gets the actual video file URL and plays it in its window
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[16:34] <IT_Sean> I knew that
[16:34] <shirro> gordonDrogon: I built it from git. Had to hack the shit out of the Makefiles to get it to build native, so path of least resistance is to cross compile it
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> ok
[16:35] <shirro> gordonDrogon: or there may be a binary around somewhere.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> might give video playing a miss on my pi for now - it's not really what I got it for.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> and I have a TV and dvd player for that :)
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> my living room is almost completely LAN free :)
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[16:36] <shirro> gordonDrogon: me neither but I now I know it can do it ok I might use Pi#2 as a media player for the kids
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> shirro: #2? How do you have two!?
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[16:37] <drazyl> witchcraft
[16:37] <shirro> Not yet. But I registered with RS and ordered from Element14
[16:37] <zgreg> well, I expect low-bitrate, less than VGA resolution mpeg-2/xvid video to mostly work with fast video output
[16:37] <IT_Sean> aah, i see.
[16:37] <shirro> They can't share customer info without breaking privacy laws so no way to enforce 1 per customer
[16:38] <zgreg> but DVD resolution, high-bitrate video? nope
[16:38] <zgreg> or VP8? forget it
[16:38] <shirro> There are several people around with 2 though. Just not me.
[16:38] <zgreg> you really NEED accelerated decoding on a CPU as slow as the pi
[16:39] <fALSO> someone should do a somewhat good review of the pi
[16:39] <fALSO> stating what works what doesnt
[16:39] <fALSO> what it can do,and what it cant
[16:39] <zgreg> yeah
[16:39] <shirro> fALSO: it will be obsolete the next day though
[16:39] <fALSO> all the reviews that i find, are all copy paste
[16:39] <fALSO> how obsolete ?
[16:39] <zgreg> I still think the foundation should have made that clear with a blog post or two
[16:40] <zgreg> what the limits of the hardware are and what's likely to work and what isn't
[16:40] <fALSO> marketing hype
[16:40] <fALSO> easy way to make money
[16:40] <fALSO> :)
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[16:40] <fALSO> ill wait until a better one
[16:40] <fALSO> with a faster cpu
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[16:40] <fALSO> because the cpu used in the pi is very old
[16:41] <shirro> Hopefully it has been out long enough that we might start seeing some progress on software and drivers etc soon. So things could change. Lots of stuff like vlc and gstreamer has omx plugins that might just need a bit of work and suddenly heaps of media players
[16:41] <fALSO> lets wait
[16:41] <fALSO> i've been waiting for a working alsa driver
[16:42] <fALSO> and at least some 2d aceleration on X
[16:42] <fALSO> scrolling in any app its just unbearable
[16:42] <shirro> fALSO: I think it works for some subset of "works"
[16:42] <fALSO> yap
[16:42] <fALSO> if you pipe a wave file directly to the /dev
[16:42] <fALSO> using the correct api's it doesnt work
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[16:44] <shirro> yeah, it would be nice if someone just did a quick and dirty EXA driver to speed up a few things. Leave ambitious stuff like targetting gles for later
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[16:45] <UnderSampled> does the SoC support virtualization?
[16:45] <shirro> Though I have experience of one arm SoC EXA driver that feels slower and runs gtkperf slower than plain fbdev
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, I can confirm xvid is flawless with omxplayer.
[16:46] <fALSO> nice!
[16:46] <fALSO> with sound ?
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> only a 640x336 file though
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, with sound
[16:46] <fALSO> great!
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[16:46] <fALSO> yap, thats a normal SD xvid
[16:47] <zgreg> shirro: yes, that can happen if the acceleration is very incomplete which leads to lots of pixmap migration
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[16:48] <shirro> zgreg: I wonder if the latency and locking around things like dma might just make it slower than copying the pixels around with the cpu or something.
[16:48] <zgreg> in the worst case, probably yes
[16:48] <zgreg> especially if you have many small ops
[16:49] <zgreg> the driver needs to batch operations, but that's hard to get right
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[16:49] <cougarten> can i show the framerate of omxplayer somehow?
[16:50] <cougarten> in the beginning i can see some frame-skips at least
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[16:50] <cougarten> in the beginning of big buck bunny (fade from black to bright and a slow camera pan)
[16:50] <shirro> I wonder if accelerating X is going to be a magic bullet. I should profile a web browser and see how much of that page load is down to X (I suspect not much) and how much is just the slow cpu chugging away with dom stuff
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> no mplayer of vlc for armhf yet - what other video players are there?
[16:51] <cougarten> and do you know if video performance might umprove for h264 at least? for now it's ok, but not really good
[16:51] <fALSO> the problem isnt mplayer or vlc i think, the problem surely are the codecs
[16:51] <fALSO> most of them must have x86 assembly on them
[16:51] <zgreg> fALSO: that's not an issue
[16:52] <cougarten> gordonDrogon, you tried omxplayer ?
[16:52] <zgreg> ffmpeg contains optimizations for many CPU architecture (including ARMv6 w/ SIMD)
[16:52] <fALSO> zgreg, its a issue if the x86 assemly is the only implementation
[16:52] <fALSO> zgreg, and if theres no C standard one
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> cougarten, not yet - it's not in the debian repository - we were chatting about it earlier...
[16:53] <zgreg> fALSO: if there are no ARM optimizations it's useless anyway
[16:53] <cougarten> gordonDrogon, right. but in the linked forum discussion there is a deb package
[16:53] <zgreg> but really, 99% of A/V codecs, and all popular ones, are implemented in ffmpeg
[16:53] <zgreg> and that is used by most, if not all, popular players
[16:53] <fALSO> yap
[16:54] <cougarten> is h264 playback a little choppy for everyone? i don't have a HD monitor..
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[16:54] <zgreg> also: software video decoding will not be faster on armhf
[16:54] <cougarten> 1600x1200 or something i have
[16:56] <Hourd> does omxplayer do mkv?
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, looks like it
[16:57] <cougarten> Hourd, give me a link and i will throw it in there
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> at least chrispi put an mkv file in the README as an example
[16:57] <Hourd> i don't have a link =[
[16:57] <Hourd> oh ace!
[16:57] <Hourd> :)
[16:57] <Hourd> most of my library is mkv
[16:57] <Hourd> with some mp4 and the odd avi
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[16:58] <cougarten> what is mkv? if it's just a container it still depends on the codec
[16:58] <fALSO> yap
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[16:58] <fALSO> the codec used normaly is h264
[16:58] <cougarten> ah, great
[16:59] <Hourd> yeah all my mkv files are h264
[16:59] <Hourd> it was mentioned omx handles h264 but i didnt know if it would throw a fit at the wrapper
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[17:04] <Taftse2> mkv is another of divx wrappers is it not ?
[17:05] <fALSO> nop
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[17:31] <RaTTuS> umm
[17:31] <RaTTuS> http://www.techworld.com.au/article/424203/hp_unveils_ethernet-powered_thin_client/
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[17:35] <rm> will cost $200+
[17:35] <rm> and "ethernet-powered" is a bit misleading
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[17:35] <rm> PoE is not just any regular ethernet
[17:36] <rm> needs PoE gear on the other side, which is rare and being considered 'enterprise' stuff, can be a bit expensive
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> PoE is normally limited to about 15 watts.
[17:37] <Hourd> inb4 plugs into home router.. "why no worky?"
[17:37] <IT_Sean> haha
[17:38] <kallisti5> anyone have any idea how to set up the uart from bare metal?
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> no luck with that yet, ey? =(
[17:39] <kallisti5> I see references to PL011 serial ports, miniUART's, 0x20215000 and 0x7e215000 and 0x20215040 bases...
[17:39] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:39] <kallisti5> alt0 gpio pins
[17:39] <kallisti5> the linux sources, bcm manual, and the raspberry pi docs are all over the place
[17:40] <kallisti5> the docs mention a PL011 serial port and a miniUART.. the miniUART is UART1, the PL011 is UART0
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[17:40] <kallisti5> however, only one set of tx and rx pins are exposed
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 uarts.
[17:40] <kallisti5> I know you have to set alternate funciton 0 on the tx and rx gpio pins... however it doesn't say for what mode
[17:41] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: both use 14 and 15 gpio pins? or do those alternate configurations come into play?
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[17:42] <kallisti5> the serial output should be easy enough (writing chars to DR, and reading that flag waiting for the buffer to empty
[17:42] <RaTTuS> yeah expensive but ..... I wonder if i can get my Pi into a Dell monitor
[17:42] <RaTTuS> umm
[17:43] <RaTTuS> I've got a dodgy one at work that I can probbaly dismantle
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[17:47] <nid0> on the subject of that hp thin client, it is a thin client so its mostly going to be business use anyway, and poe switches are perfectly cheap these days
[17:48] <nid0> as are standalone power injectors to take a data-only ethernet input and output poe
[17:48] <kallisti5> IT_Sean: it's sad I can recite the UART base addresses on the pi from memory :P
[17:48] * IT_Sean wishes it were called Power Enabled Ethernet. 'cause then the acronym would be 'pee'
[17:48] <IT_Sean> kallisti5: yes, it is.
[17:49] <IT_Sean> and if the acronym were 'pee' you could aks users where their pee port was. :p
[17:49] <IT_Sean> ... without getting fired, that is.
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[17:51] <kallisti5> if you know the Pi uart at all.. let me know if you see any thing dumb:
[17:51] <kallisti5> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm/gpio.cpp#n103 -- uart gpio pin setup
[17:51] <kallisti5> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/kernel/arch/arm/uart_pl011.cpp#n44 --- uart port init
[17:52] <kallisti5> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/kernel/arch/arm/uart_pl011.cpp#n106 -- write a char
[17:52] <kallisti5> thats all the spam for now :)
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> hi sorry - been on the phone.
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at the uart stuff in detail.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> but Linux (well debian at least) uses it by default for the console output.
[17:53] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: no worries at all... you have helped me a *ton* thus far :)
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> so there ought to be a driver for it in the Linux kernel sources, somewhere!
[17:53] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: yeah.. the wierd thing is the initial pi commit is all over the place
[17:54] <kallisti5> it adds three different uarts.. uart0, uart1, and pl011 from what I hear
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've not pulled their kernel sources yet.
[17:54] <kallisti5> Linux has a uart port @ 0x202blah
[17:54] <kallisti5> the bcm manual puts the uart port @ 0x7e2blah
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ah, there is a remapping from BMC land to Linux land.
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[17:55] <kallisti5> is that something the bootloader changed? (did the blob map that memory somehow?)
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> I think so, but I'm not sure.
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[17:55] <kallisti5> ah. ok.. that helps a little. I can take 0x7e out of my hacking routine :)
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> see page 6 of hte manual. it mentions the mapping from 0x7E to 0x20 ...
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[18:00] <kallisti5> gordonDrogon: hte manual?
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> the manual. the bcm peripherals manual
[18:00] <kallisti5> ah..
[18:01] <kallisti5> yeah.. I see it now :)
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[18:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: up and running on my 16GB card for a while now, thanks ;D
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[18:10] <Gadgetoid> I copped out and used gparted
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok :)
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[18:19] <Mr_Rpi> i changed my keyboard to my native language and now my boot is taking a lot longer than usual. Is there a way to go around that (debian)
[18:19] <Gadgetoid> Now, either someone is as crazy as me and has already done it??? or I'm going to try and make wiringPi bindings for Ruby
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[18:20] <IT_Sean> Noone is as crazy as you, G.
[18:20] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: Probable.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:20] <Gadgetoid> I'm just trying to find an excuse to do *something* with Ruby
[18:21] <Mr_Rpi> hm... now of to try fedora r17 instead of dbian
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: You might know this??? how can I hacky the GPIO pins to produce a high value using common geekhold objects?
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> huh?
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> you mean not using wiringPi or at user land level?
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> if that's what you mean, then look at the /sys/gpio inteface.
[18:30] <Gadgetoid> I'm using wiringPi to read the value, but want to fudge it to set one using ??? err??? fudgeyness
[18:30] <Caver> I think pins 3 and 5 have pull up resistors already
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> so that it always reads 1?
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> you can enable the pull-ups or pull-downs.
[18:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Using wires, a screwdriver or some other dangerous metal object which may create a short and blow up my face
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> pullUpDnControl (pin, PUD_UP);
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> that ought to make the pin read 1 with nothing connected, and
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> pullUpDnControl (pin, PUD_DOWN);
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> ought to make it read 0 with nothing connected.
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[18:32] <Gadgetoid> This stuff is all entirely new and confusing to me, prepare for electrical fires!
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> apart from pins 8 and 9 (the I2C) pins which have on-board 1k8 pull-ups.
[18:33] <Caver> are you sure it's 8 and 9?
[18:33] <Caver> or have they changed the numbering again!
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> these are my numbers.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> my pin 8 & 9 are BCM_GPIO_0 and 1
[18:34] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I'm going to need some wires
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> static int pinToGpio [] =
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> {
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 17, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 4, // From the Wiki - GPIO 0 through 7
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 0, 1, // SDA0, SCL0 - The I2C pins
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 7, 8, // SPI - CE0, CE1
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 9, 10, 11, // SPI - MOSI, MOSO, SCLK
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 14, 15, // UART - Tx, Rx
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> } ;
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> my wiringPi stuff tries to be similar to Arduino and has a mapping of "pins" to the real hardware IO.
[18:36] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Only just mentally connected you to wiringPi??? nice one!
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> Ha. :)
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm GordonH on the forums too.
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[18:36] <Gadgetoid> I think I can just use the gpio binary via hacky command-line calls from within basically any language
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> If your in the UK, if you can spar the pennies, I'd suggest this:
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[18:37] <Gadgetoid> Although I might try to suss out SWIG and produce a Ruby module from it
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ah, the 'gpio' command :)
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> not sure I put pull-up/down in it..
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Would only be a matter of moments to do so... hang on...
[18:40] <Caver> *bang*
[18:40] * gordonDrogon grins.
[18:41] <Caver> actually during my experiments, the worst I did was crash it, which was fine after a reboot
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> i did accidentally short +3.3 to ground once. it just rebooted..
[18:42] <Gadgetoid> I've done something??? I've no idea what I've done, but I've done it
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> I've crashed it lots of times trying to get framebuffer video working ):
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[18:44] <Caver> btw anyone in the UK ... cheap HDMI cable @ lidl next week
[18:45] <Triamis> o.0?
[18:46] <Triamis> my hdmi cable cost ?1.99 off amazon :/
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, that works - want a new gpio binary, or sources?
[18:46] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, got somewhere ish!
[18:47] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Sources, please
[18:47] <passstab> has anyone seen Mr_pi?
[18:47] <Gadgetoid> I'm managing to compile wiringPi into a wrapped Ruby module using SWIG
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/wiringPi.tgz is new
[18:47] <Gadgetoid> But it unsurprisingly blows up with: "undefined symbol: Init_wiringPi"
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll put his under revision control.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> extern int wiringPiSetup (void) ;
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> unpack it, the ccd wiringPi/gpio ; make ; sudo make install
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode in/out/pwm/up/down/tri pin
[18:49] <Gadgetoid> Nice!
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> so gpio mode 0 in
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> then gpio mode 0 up
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> gpio read 0
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> will read 1 if nothing is connected.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> then gpio mode 0 down
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> gpio read 0
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> will read 0 if nothing connected.
[18:50] <Gadgetoid> If I can't get swig to work, I'll write a wrapper class for these
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:50] <Gadgetoid> As a sort of faffing-about aim, I'm going to try and hook up a megadrive controller
[18:50] <Gadgetoid> And probably poll it from Ruby
[18:51] <Gadgetoid> To what end??? I do not know!
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> sounds a fun project.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> do they have analog in's or just digital?
[18:51] <Gadgetoid> All digital as far as I'm aware
[18:52] <Gadgetoid> It's about the dumbest bit of hardware in the universe??? a perfect start for me :D
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> looks like 7 buttons from a quick google.
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> ought to be easy - enable pull-ups for all inputs as the switches connect to ground by the looks of it.
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[18:53] <Gadgetoid> Aye, that's what I'm hoping.. although I didn't know which way 'round it worked
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> is this a 9-pin D type controller?
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[18:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: they're interchangeable with the Atari iirc
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. simple button controllers.
[18:57] <Gadgetoid> As simple as they get!
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> should be fine.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> actually, there are some on ebay - you've given me ideas now :)
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I want to re-write some of those old games in my BASIC.
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> and I was wondering about keyboard input for them, but actually a joystick is perfect.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> using the GPIO.
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Why didn't they just call it a game port and not some fancy wancy GPIO ...
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> GPIO => Game Peripheral Input Output. Must start calling it that on the forums. See how much more I can get whinged at ;-)
[19:00] <Gadgetoid> Haha
[19:00] <Gadgetoid> I'm just going to push jumpers into the holes on the gamepad for now, but ultimately a 9-pin connector would be handy
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/arcade-joystick-short-handle-p-893.html
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> If I'm going to have a joystick, make it look good!
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[19:03] <mkopack> Would LOVE to know when RS is going to get around to sending out my "Notification of Shipment" email??? grrr
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[19:05] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: don't think I got one
[19:05] <mkopack> It just magically arrived one day?
[19:06] <mkopack> You're in the USA aren't you? How did they ship it?
[19:06] <Gadget-Mac> Nope UK.
[19:06] <mkopack> Oh, damn
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> I've given up on RS.
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[19:06] <mkopack> You try out your Slice of Pi on it yet? I haven't even bothered soldering mine up since I was waiting on a Pi to use it with
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> They send my some initial emails, then they just stopped.
[19:07] <Gadget-Mac> mkopack: Nope didn't order one in the end.
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[19:07] <Gadget-Mac> happy enough to jumper everything onto a breadboard
[19:07] <mkopack> RS invited me to order last Friday, I did, they took the money and then I haven't heard squat since
[19:07] <Gadget-Mac> Just wondering what to test i2c with
[19:07] <mkopack> others, in the UK, that did the same last friday have gotten emails with ship notification, but I haven't seen anything yet
[19:08] <mkopack> Ah, I have an IMU compass/accell/gyro that talks I2C to try it with
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> An Ardu Pilot Mega board by any chance?
[19:09] <mkopack> Nope. miniIMU-9 from Pololu.com
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> The APM board will be hard to hack into..
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[19:10] <Gadget-Mac> Annoyed I don't even have a simple LM75 to test with
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I quite fancy this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/9-degrees-of-freedom-sensor-stick-p-819.html
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> what i2c driver are you using?
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[19:13] <Gadget-Mac> gpio bitbanging one
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I think there are a couple of projects I've seen on the forums to write one.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> and someone just asked me if I planned to write one.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to write a better GPIO driver, but not sure its worth the effort to write i2c/spi if others are already going it.
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[19:17] <mkopack> It would seem to me there needs to be 2 layers to the GPIO drivers:
[19:17] <mkopack> 1 to config the Pins for the things you need it to perform
[19:18] <mkopack> and then individual ones for the various protocols once you've configged the pins as needed to support that protocol
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> yes, that does make sense.
[19:18] <mkopack> Like: gpio config and then 1 for I2C, 1 for SPI, etc.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[19:18] <mkopack> and that way they can build on each other
[19:19] <Gadget-Mac> I'm using one of the i2c drivers from the forum, and indeed have contributed improvements back :)
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I wrote my own i2c driver for arduino a few months back. that was easy enough.... Linux is a slightly different beast :)
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[19:22] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Dosn't it make more sense to look at whats already been done, and help improve.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> sure but I don't have an immediate need for i2c mysefl and I have to balance work & play right now.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> (The arduino one was 'work' and I was being paid to do it - client didn't want to use the open source driver)
[19:23] * mkopack is about to whig out if people don't stop having 4 phone conversations all around him at the same time.. How the HELL am I supposed to concentrate?!?!
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> heh
[19:24] <mkopack> Should have brought my iPod in from the car
[19:24] <Gadget-Mac> That makes no sense, whats wrong with the open source one ?
[19:24] <hamitron> I always hear this about working with what is already done..... but how is something new to come about if everyone does this?
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[19:25] <Gadget-Mac> That really depends on what you want to achieve, and the resources you have available.
[19:25] <hamitron> ofc :)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> my client didn't want to use open source.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> and my clients are always right - especially when they pay me.
[19:26] <hamitron> indeed
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[19:26] <hamitron> all too often clients want "bespoke" systems
[19:26] <hamitron> and end up with nothing better
[19:26] <hamitron> sometimes worse
[19:27] <tpresenc1> anyone know an aasy way to disable x on the pi?
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[19:27] <Gadget-Mac> didn't want to use opensource but were using arduino, hmmm!
[19:27] <hamitron> but it is their choice and money
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[19:27] <tpresence> its kinda slow for performing some compiling and I want to provide it full cpu function for it
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> they wern't using arduino, I was using one as a dev board.
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> tpresence, X shouldn't slow you down.
[19:27] <hamitron> good thing about them paying through the roof for a custom setup..... normally means YOU get a good chunk of that cash ;)
[19:28] <tpresence> my ruby stuff is so slow...
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, yup! and ownership of the code too, should I ever need it again...
[19:28] <hamitron> well, I have had some clients who wanted total ownership
[19:28] <hamitron> :)
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> tpresence, what distro? Debian doesn't usualyl startx by default..
[19:29] <hamitron> but that just means tweaking the pricing
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> it's all about the negotiation!
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> the joys of the contract programmer :)
[19:29] <tpresence> its debian
[19:30] <tpresence> yeah, I just realized it wasnt X
[19:30] <tpresence> "(
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> tpresence, so reboot and login but don't type 'startx' ..
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> heh
[19:30] <tpresence> no idea what it is
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> just text console by default?
[19:30] <tpresence> yeah
[19:30] <tpresence> high-res console for sure, but console, not X
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> that's default - shouldn't slow things down.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> unless your running something that's causing it to run out of memory, etc.
[19:31] <tpresence> yeah, its not that
[19:31] <tpresence> ruby stuff just runs extremely slow
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> maybe the Pi isn't going to make a good Ruby engine...
[19:33] <hamitron> I'll buy your r-pi for ?10 if it doesn't do what you want
[19:33] <hamitron> ;)
[19:33] <zleap> isn't ruby designed more for database stuff (or is that just the rails bit)
[19:33] <Hourd> anyone know how to get the pi to output audio on hdmi?
[19:34] <TopherBrink> i bid ?15
[19:34] <hamitron> TopherBrink, noes! we are trying to get me a deal here ;/
[19:34] <TopherBrink> yes you turn on the sound module with hdmi in. done.
[19:34] <TopherBrink> fine... i bid ?10.50
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[19:36] <TopherBrink> okay... ?9.99. final offer.
[19:36] <Caver> dam ... I was too slow
[19:36] <Caver> you nearly had me at ??15
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[19:40] <Hourd> got omxplayer doing video but sound only seems to want to come out the jack not hdmi =[ also i'm failing at getting the subs to work too
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[19:43] <TopherBrink> dont know, i only use openelec for media playing on the pi and hdmi always works by default with it.
[19:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ruby is just generally slow :D
[19:43] <mkopack> Ruby is a PIG
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[19:43] <Gadgetoid> Reminds me, I forgot to check for Node too
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I've never actually used Ruby...
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I gather is a big interpreted framework for very quickly developing web type applications though..
[19:44] <Gadgetoid> That would be Rails
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[19:45] <Gadgetoid> Ruby is just a weird programming language with an anally retentive syntax designed to be more friendly to human beings
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[19:45] <DaQatz> I'm not human, I'm a programmer.
[19:45] <xlq> And then there's Ruby off the Rails.
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[19:46] <Gadgetoid> DaQatz yeah, that's why it's weird
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[19:46] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I can compile NodeJS
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> I'll stick to C and sloppy interpreted C (aka PHP) and BASIC.
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[19:47] <Gadgetoid> PHP would be my language of choice, although I've written far too much in DotNet
[19:47] <DaQatz> I use what ever lang fits the job.
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[19:47] <zleap> isn't rails more optimised for data though
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I lkke PHP, but I think coming into it from a C background was good (for me).
[19:49] <Gadgetoid> I'll code in anything that takes my fancy at the time, although finding a good reason to explore new languages is sometimes tricky
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm playing the "I'm too old" card ;-)
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> and this old guy needs more tea!
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[19:50] <Gadgetoid> That sounds like a plan
[19:51] <ReggieUK> oooh a plan?
[19:51] <Gadget-Mac> More tea is always a good plan
[19:51] <ReggieUK> not sure if it's a plan or just a start
[19:54] <Hexxeh> blog post get
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> Tea has been acquired :)
[19:57] <Gadgetoid> Mission accomplished!
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> along with some bread and cheese.
[19:57] <TopherBrink> you are GO for tea repeat GO for tea.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> It's the wrong cheese, Gromit!
[19:57] <Gadgetoid> Just had a good ol' shepherds pie
[19:59] <Gadgetoid> I need one of those heated mugs
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> I've seen the USB "powered" mug warmers, but I think they're mostly gimmick.
[20:03] <Gadgetoid> I imagine so, I'd need something that could keep a classic pint mug of tea warm
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> drink it faster ...
[20:04] <Gadgetoid> No! Sacrilege!
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> then get a teapot and a cozy for it...
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[20:05] <Hourd> a knitted one
[20:05] <Gadgetoid> That might just work! And it'd be somewhat awesome in an awesome sort of way
[20:06] <Gadgetoid> It would look right at home on my desk, next to the street sharks
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> knit a picture of the raspberry into it...
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[20:07] <jm|laptop> I got a Googlebang for Raspberry Pi 1184x624. Anyone remember this being discussed?
[20:08] <jm|laptop> xrandr offers me only this
[20:08] <jm|laptop> TV can do 1280x720
[20:08] <Hexxeh> isn't a googlebang where you only get one result?
[20:08] <jm|laptop> yes
[20:08] <Hexxeh> i see four for that search term :P
[20:08] <Gadgetoid> Every time I look at that Raspberry Pi starter kit on skpang, I end up eyeing up the Arduino ethernet
[20:08] <jm|laptop> "1184x624" raspberry pi
[20:09] <jm|laptop> 1 result (0.14 seconds)
[20:09] <Hexxeh> ah, didn't have the quotes around the mode
[20:09] <Hexxeh> played :)
[20:09] <Hexxeh> tried setting the mode manually?
[20:09] <Hexxeh> hdmi_mode=4 in config.txt?
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[20:09] <jm|laptop> super noob I should rtfm a bit
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[20:10] <Hexxeh> jm|laptop: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[20:10] <Hexxeh> everything you need there
[20:10] <Hexxeh> ooh
[20:10] <Hexxeh> that's something i could do
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I've given up with the video modes. seem to crash my pi more often than not, and *something* has changed from the 2nd debian release to the 3rd in that I now can't run my SDL program on the console no matter what runes I try )-:
[20:10] <jm|laptop> thanks
[20:10] <Hexxeh> an easy tool to generate that config
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I currently get a genuine 1280x1024 screen on the Pi on my monitor but if I tell my SDL program to use that, it just fails and dies.
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> and the kernel fiddling with overscan settings to - bah. You'd think they'd just plonk for 640x480 on compost video out, but it ends up being weird.
[20:11] <jm|laptop> should config.txt be there by default?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's not there by default.
[20:12] <jm|laptop> in /boot on the ext4 part?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> no.
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[20:13] <jm|laptop> in the FAT32 part
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> separate vfat partition.
[20:13] <jm|laptop> which is mounted at /boot. I see.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> type 'df -h' on your pi ...
[20:14] <jm|laptop> yes I see it
[20:14] <Hexxeh> or mount to see a list of mounted disks/partitions :)
[20:14] <Hexxeh> it's mounted by default on debian
[20:14] <Hexxeh> go ahead and create the file
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> mount is horribly unformatted though.
[20:14] <Hexxeh> if you're comfortable with a little OCing, you can pop arm_freq=800 in there too
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> 900 here :)
[20:15] <Hexxeh> i've been running my Pi at 800mhz without any issues
[20:15] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: didn't want to push it :)
[20:15] <Hexxeh> the arch linux image ships at 800mhz by default
[20:15] <Hexxeh> so i figure it's safe enough :P
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm also clocking the sram at 500...
[20:15] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: what's the default?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> 400.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> disable_overscan=1
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> arm_freq=900
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> #core_freq=250
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> #h264_freq=250
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> #isp_freq=250
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> #v3d_freq=250
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> gpu_freq=250
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> #sdram_freq=400
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> sdram_freq=500
[20:15] <Hexxeh> i remember reading somewhere that clocking that higher can have a pretty nasty effect on it's lifespan
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> not touched the gpu freq as you can see.
[20:16] <Hexxeh> i think it was gert who said that?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> overvoltage is the killer, so I read in a post from Dom.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Dom reckoned that to go higher than about 900 you'd need to overvolt - so I haven.t
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> I did try 1GHz but it wouldn't start.
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> overvolting sets a fuse inside which they can read back apparently...
[20:17] <jm|laptop> I'm still at 1184x624
[20:17] <jm|laptop> I guess I need some overscan
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> what's your monitor capable of?
[20:18] <Gadgetoid> arm_freq=800 in config.txt eh?
[20:18] <jm|laptop> it's a Panasonic TV. "1080i"
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> so that ought to be the full whack of 1920x1080 ?
[20:18] <jm|laptop> I'm pretty sure I get 1280x720 from my other box
[20:18] <jm|laptop> gordonDrogon: no
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> ah, 1080 eye, not pee.
[20:19] <jm|laptop> regretfully not
[20:19] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: yeah there are efuses you can read even when the SoC is bust apparently
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> try disable_overscan=1
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> hexx via the jtag interface...
[20:19] <jm|laptop> I shall try that
[20:20] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[20:20] <jm|laptop> now it is too big for the screen. This is probably progress.
[20:21] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: indeed
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> so remove everything apart from the disable_overscan line and start again ...
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[20:24] <jm|laptop> I only have hdmi_mode=4 in there
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[20:26] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if a wee overclock will speed up my compiling
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> Bloody V8 javascript engine
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, try it and see...
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> it certianly speeds up my BASIC interpreter...
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[20:28] <Iota> "Richard Stallman has just canceled a talk in the UPC university in Spain and they call an ambulance" https://twitter.com/#!/Marinmenyo/status/200628420789547010/photo/1
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> jm|laptop, hows it looking now?
[20:32] <jm|laptop> too big
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[20:32] <jm|laptop> but wife is nagging me about something else
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> My wifes off getting her nails done!
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> jools not tools ...
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[20:34] <passstab> Iota, what happened to rms?
[20:35] <jm|laptop> back. So I need some overscan values do I?
[20:35] <Iota> He's said he was a little drunk and it's just a stomachache, hopefully not a heart attack.
[20:36] <Iota> https://mobile.twitter.com/bytedevil/status/200624035774742529/photo/1
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> overscan - by default debian removed 32 pixels each way if there if no disable_overscan=1
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> so you are 98 pixels short, but debians already taken 32
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[20:38] <jm|laptop> so 66?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> yea. me too. let me find the forum post Dom sent me.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/sdl-without-x-server#p68215
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> there are explicit width and height settings.
[20:41] <jm|laptop> I seemed to be having better look with overcan_
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> it's bonkers, isn't it?
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[20:46] <Gadgetoid> Ho ho, and lo there is a guide to installing NodeJS on the Pi already??? d'oh!
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[20:47] <Matt> there, that's better
[20:48] <IT_Sean> ?
[20:48] <Matt> the nick
[20:49] <jm|laptop> disable_overscan=1 overscan_left=32 overscan_right=32 overscan_top=16 overscan_bottom=16
[20:49] <jm|laptop> this worked
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[20:50] <jm|laptop> still 1216x688 thoguh
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> bonkers.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> I've decided to fiddle with my own settings - for composite output. I have to give a demo tomorow night of my Pi and all they have is a projector with composite video.
[20:52] <Gadgetoid> If overscan is disabled??? how can it??? I don't even??? WAT!?
[20:52] <jm|laptop> indeed.
[20:52] <Gadgetoid> I've just left my pi on a table and use SSH for everything
[20:52] <jm|laptop> do I use mplayer to test this HD trailer?
[20:54] <_av500_> sure
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[21:00] <RITRedbeard> I've just left my Pi in the warehouse.
[21:00] <D34TH> ^
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> I don't use it for anything.
[21:00] <IT_Sean> !!!
[21:00] <IT_Sean> :(
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> Eben can have all my money.
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> :D
[21:00] <IT_Sean> You could have sent it to me!
[21:01] <D34TH> could donating to the rpi foundation be a tax writeoff?
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[21:01] <IT_Sean> i don't think they are a tax-exempt charity, so... I don't know. Ask a bean counter.
[21:02] * RITRedbeard does the bean counter call with an empty shell
[21:02] <plugwash> D34TH, i'm not an american but I beleive if you want to get a tax writeoff on your american taxes you have to dontate via an US charity
[21:03] <IT_Sean> The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a non-profit org. Dunno if they are a registered charity.
[21:03] <plugwash> Afaict there are american charities who specialise in acting as intermediaries for foriegn ones but I haven't heard of any working with the RPF at this stage
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[21:03] <D34TH> would be cool
[21:03] <D34TH> let a few fortune 500's know
[21:03] <D34TH> boom
[21:03] <D34TH> monies
[21:04] <D34TH> acquire all the currency
[21:04] <IT_Sean> boom?
[21:04] <RITRedbeard> and disregard women
[21:04] <IT_Sean> BUY ALL THE THINGS!
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> ah. at last. I've for 640x480 on my old monitor.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> aargh. stomp stomp stomp.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> My BASIC won't start - segfaults then crashes the Pi.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> it's just an ordinary SDL application.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> pita
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[21:07] <chancellorsmith> hi all - going to try arch tonight - dd'ing
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> Dun dun dun!
[21:07] <DaQatz> Accessing memory wrong somewhere
[21:07] <chancellorsmith> anyone know if it has ssh enabled - am headless
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> Node still compiling, chug chug chug
[21:07] <DaQatz> Valgrind it
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> I think the framebuffer driver is simply broken.
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> it valgrinds OK. this works on my laptops
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> and it works - sometimes on the Pi, but with different framebuffer resolutions.
[21:09] <Hexxeh> chancellorsmith: afaik it does
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> what annoys me is that the X server works, but it must be noodling something else.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> and I can run my app under X in full-screen mode too.
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[21:12] <chancellorsmith> Hexxeh: ta
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[21:16] <nemo> So, by my calculations, taking a computer built the year I was born, and trying to match the performance of the raspberry pi...
[21:16] <nemo> Would consume 112,500 watts
[21:16] <IT_Sean> O_O
[21:16] <nemo> about 40,000 times the power of the Pi
[21:17] <IT_Sean> But not 1.21 jiggawatts?
[21:17] <nemo> amazing how much things have changed
[21:17] <gamegeek> thats crazy
[21:17] <Iota> My Raspberry Pi has an uptime of 17 days. :o
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> valves got hot ...
[21:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: I'm not that old :-p
[21:17] <IT_Sean> hahah
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> nemo, ;-)
[21:17] <gamegeek> btw u guys as hobiest what do u do on the pi?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> calculate it for 1985
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> The oldest computer I programmed as a job was an Ellion 903 - c1966.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> Er, Elliot 903.
[21:18] <zleap> AH 121 jiggawatts is from erm back to the future
[21:18] <IT_Sean> Yes. it is. :p
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> I am older than that Elliot..
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[21:18] <jm|laptop> I seem to be getting about 0.25fps
[21:19] <IT_Sean> 4 seconds per frame? :p
[21:19] <gamegeek> lol
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[21:19] <Gadgetoid> Lithium Allocator!
[21:19] <jm|laptop> I'm probably doing something wrong
[21:20] <IT_Sean> did you remember to turn on the flux capacitor?
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[21:20] <Gadgetoid> I think I need a cluster of Pis to handle my compiles
[21:20] <gamegeek> time travel wont make the framerate better
[21:22] <IT_Sean> Did you try turning it off and on again?
[21:22] <IT_Sean> The button on the side... .... ... is it glowing?
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> jm|laptop, got your screen sorted yet?
[21:22] <nemo> Say, does anyone happen to know what the minimum feature size is for the ARM1176JZF-S that the Pi uses?
[21:22] <gamegeek> is it fluxing?
[21:22] <jm|laptop> gordonDrogon: in the sense that it fits, yes
[21:22] <nemo> in the spirit of efficiency, I was curious how the Pi compares to the latest Arm processors
[21:22] <jm|laptop> gordonDrogon: strange resolution though
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> jm|laptop, you reckon it's really 1280x768?
[21:24] <chancellorsmith> on arch how do i know if i need to reclaim more free space for the root partition
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[21:24] <chancellorsmith> i followed gordonDrogon's guide yesterday and it worked well - i have a fresh arch card in it now
[21:24] <chancellorsmith> 4 gig card
[21:24] <chancellorsmith> rootfs 1.8G 477M 1.2G 29% /
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> That looks like you haven't reclaimed unformatted space
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> jm|laptop, if the real screen is 1280x768, then comment everything out of config.txt and put this in: framebuffer_width=1344 and framebuffer_height=832
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> Or *unpartioned* space even
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> I just used gparted and did it all GUI-style, lazy but effective
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> yes, unpartitioned space.
[21:25] <jm|laptop> I'm just reinstalling
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[21:27] <chancellorsmith> ok. but on arch it doesn't like fdisk -uc /dev/mmcblk0
[21:27] <nemo> hm. looks like minimum feature size is 65nm
[21:27] <chancellorsmith> just gives me the hep screen
[21:28] <nemo> wow. that's pretty big
[21:28] <gamegeek> little of topic is dualboot ubuntu/windows any good for the linux, can it run on full speed?
[21:28] <Gadgetoid> chancellorsmith: have you got another linux system you can use to tweak the partitions?
[21:28] <xlq> gamegeek: Dual booting has no effect on speed .
[21:28] <chancellorsmith> not handy???can do it later i guess
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[21:29] <gamegeek> oke
[21:29] <gamegeek> thx
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> drop the -uc
[21:29] <xlq> gamegeek: But since this is in #raspberrypi... Windows won't run on a Raspberry Pi.
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> yesterday i did it following this https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ that was on debian
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> gordonDrogon: ok
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> Some newer version of fdisk don't need -uc
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> aha
[21:29] <gamegeek> yes but i curently dont have anoter machine to run linux on
[21:29] <gamegeek> and i need windows for school
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> i'm in, ta
[21:29] <nemo> 32nm is available now, 20nm probably by the end of the year. If the Pi was using one of those, it would take more like 225,000 watts for a computer from start of my life to match
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> no swap by the looks
[21:30] <chancellorsmith> just 2 partitions
[21:30] <nemo> given 1000 watts can power a modern home...
[21:30] <dmsuse> gamegeek: i guess you have never heard of vmware
[21:30] <chancellorsmith> i wil use my initiative and your guide ! haha, what could possibly go wrong :-)
[21:30] <xlq> VMWare? At least suggest some free software.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> well - the worst is that you have to start again :)
[21:30] <nemo> gamegeek: I run windows in VirtualBox personally
[21:30] <xlq> VirtualBox, Xen, KVM, ...
[21:30] <nemo> those few times I need it
[21:31] <dmsuse> free software doesn't cut it in visualisation
[21:31] <gamegeek> btw a linux program can run on every pupblisher?
[21:31] <dmsuse> *virtualisation
[21:31] <dmsuse> so piratebay it :P
[21:31] <xlq> dmsuse: In what way?
[21:31] <Gadget-Mac> Virtual box works fine for me
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> The Raspberry Pi will run Windows :D
[21:31] <dmsuse> 3d hardware support
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> ???. 95
[21:31] <gamegeek> why wood u want to run windows?
[21:31] <nemo> gamegeek: testing IE6/7/8/9 personally
[21:31] <nemo> that's about it
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> Starcraft? I can think of no better reason to run anything
[21:31] <IT_Sean> gamegeek: he's being silly. The raspi won't run Windows.
[21:32] <nemo> gamegeek: running iTunes 'cause my SO really wanted an iphone
[21:32] <gamegeek> itunes is for linux?
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> qemu runs Windows 95 on a 600Mhz ARM, it even emulates how shitty and slow 95 was on hardware back in the day, ahhh!
[21:32] <IT_Sean> no, there is no itunes for linux.
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[21:32] <IT_Sean> he is EMULATING windows.
[21:33] <xlq> dmsuse: OK, yeah.
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[21:33] <IT_Sean> and watch the swearing please, Gadgetoid
[21:33] <gamegeek> use wine
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: Sorry, windows does that to me
[21:34] <IT_Sean> s'okay... just be careful. We try ot be kid-friendly in here.
[21:34] <IT_Sean> It's only a matter of time before some little poo larva gets a pi and comes here for help.
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> Oh gawd!
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[21:34] <IT_Sean> ?
[21:35] <Gadgetoid> I'm surprised there aren't more people asking why it doesn't work as a media centre yet
[21:35] <Gadgetoid> I say??? as I begin compiling despotify
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[21:36] <rich_> hi all
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy rich_
[21:36] <gamegeek> hi rich
[21:36] <hamitron> Gadgetoid, them same people haven't worked out how to turn it on yet ;)
[21:36] <rich_> finally got my pi couple of days ago :-)
[21:37] <IT_Sean> nice
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> hamitron: You mean, open up the box and complain the power supply is missing?
[21:37] <rich_> now i just need to learn how to use linux
[21:37] <DaQatz> Nice rich_
[21:37] <hamitron> Gadgetoid, yeh
[21:37] <hamitron> :)
[21:37] <DaQatz> I got an email saying they would be mailing my pi at the end of the month.
[21:37] <dmsuse> :o
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> I nicked my Nokia N900 supply??? poor thing
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[21:38] <gamegeek> ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/mythbuntu/edubuntu/lubuntu which one is sude i pick?
[21:38] <rich_> yeh i'm using my HTC desire power plug
[21:38] <hamitron> heh, I'm considering getting a n900 instead of a rpi
[21:38] <hamitron> ;/
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I've got an n900... broken.
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> Although I wish they didn't standardise on micro-USB??? it feels so flimsy and frail
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: USB port broken off the board?
[21:39] <IT_Sean> that is why i intend to build a case, with a power switch
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no - screen. I dropped it.
[21:39] <hamitron> gamegeek, what for? didn't know ubuntu ran on the r-pi
[21:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ahh??? yeah??? gravity, that'll hose a phone for sure, although mine survived a drop
[21:40] <hamitron> is the n900 worth getting still?
[21:40] <gamegeek> its for the c compiler
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> it survived the first one - the 2nd just made it worse... I think it's the flexy cable from the display to the base though - it did sometimes flicker on when I shook it...
[21:40] <DaQatz> C compilers are easy to install.
[21:40] <Gadgetoid> hamitron: look at the OpenPandora instead :D
[21:40] <gamegeek> a fast c compiler on a biger machine
[21:41] <DaQatz> Do you mean you intend to crosscompile?
[21:41] <hamitron> Gadgetoid, looks and nice, but not for me.... need a phone that is also good as a toy ;)
[21:41] <gamegeek> whats a program extension on linux (win=exe/mac=app) can they run on other distobuters
[21:42] <DaQatz> There is no extension
[21:42] <Gadgetoid> hamitron: I never really found the N900 good as a phone, but I'm fussy and half deaf
[21:42] <gamegeek> there is always an extension
[21:42] <Gadgetoid> But it was definitely a good toy!
[21:42] <DaQatz> Well linux does not have an executable extension.
[21:42] <hamitron> Gadgetoid, that is all I need.... think I've only used ?40 credit in 14 years
[21:42] <hamitron> ;)
[21:43] <Gadgetoid> hamitron: Ahhh! you remind me of me
[21:43] <dmsuse> DaQatz: .sh?
[21:43] <hamitron> 1.22 left of the 40.00 actually
[21:43] <DaQatz> dmsuse, That's a bash script
[21:43] <hamitron> haha
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[21:44] <dmsuse> bash can be used to automate installations
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[21:45] <DaQatz> Example: Windows "firefox.exe" Mac "firefox.app" Linux "firefox"
[21:45] <DaQatz> No extension
[21:45] <dmsuse> oh i see what you mean
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[21:45] <chancellorsmith> woot??? /dev/root 3.6G 478M 2.9G 14% /
[21:46] <chancellorsmith> thanks chaps, no swap though, do I need it ?
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> probably not.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> however, theres stuff on those pages of mine to get you going with a swapfile.
[21:46] <rich_> Quick question, on Debian squeeze, is there a simple way of having no wallpaper ? i've probably just over looked something.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> a little one can help things along - sometimes.
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've never touched the lxde settings :)
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[21:48] <rich_> i've got round it by selecting a randon .txt file, but i can't seem to find an option to just have no wallpaper.
[21:48] <rich_> random, even.
[21:48] <DaQatz> rich_, I think there is an option. I just honestly do not remember where.
[21:48] <Hexxeh> set it to a solid colour?
[21:48] <Hexxeh> there's an option for that
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> fill with background colour only...
[21:50] <rich_> yeh you can select a background colour, but the wallpaper option always seems to need a file selected
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> it's on the desktop preferences page - > wallpaper mode pull-down.
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[21:51] <rich_> arh, lol totally missed the top option, thanks :-)
[21:51] <amelia_> So, to whom do I direct my gloating now my Pi has arrived? :P
[21:51] <rich_> right now i've mastered linux... what next ..
[21:51] <amelia_> or do I just wave it in front of y'all? :d
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> oh, you have a Pi? Mines 3 weeks old now... ;-)
[21:52] <rich_> i'm using it now :-)
[21:52] <IT_Sean> amelia_: standard procedure is to loan the pi to your friendly channel operator until his arrives.
[21:52] <amelia_> IT_Sean: well, this is just my RS one - still waiting on my Farnell preorder :P
[21:53] <carldani> so there are many people willing to test hardware drivers I wrote?
[21:53] <amelia_> Alas, I've not even had chance to play with it yet. Hopefully get home in a couple of hours, and tinker then ^^
[21:53] <IT_Sean> enjoy it
[21:53] <rich_> yeh wish i'd thought ahead and ordered one from each :-)
[21:53] <IT_Sean> I still haven't been able to ORDER
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> price is dropping on eBay, IT_Sean
[21:54] <chancellorsmith> yip
[21:54] <chancellorsmith> i saw one go for 85 nicker today
[21:54] <chancellorsmith> will be 50 soon
[21:54] <IT_Sean> still too much
[21:54] <chancellorsmith> supply and demand innit
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[21:54] <chancellorsmith> in this case supply, i think the demand is pretty well known !
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> couple for ?85 inc postage now.
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> they're not selling *that* quickly ...
[21:55] <rich_> they are impressive, i wouldn't pay like ??150 when they first appeared on ebay!
[21:55] <chancellorsmith> well they're not having mine!
[21:55] <amelia_> Well, I could be amenable to getting rid of my second one if it turns up and you're still pi-less, IT_Sean
[21:56] <amelia_> What's your QTH?
[21:56] <carldani> the big question is whether the new batches have the GPIO pins soldered in as well...
[21:56] <Hexxeh> oh snap: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wamYsqTV
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> carldani, I was under the impression they all would have them now..
[21:56] <carldani> uhh
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> carldani, what drivers have you written?
[21:57] <carldani> gordonDrogon: SPI driver via bitbanging and a SPI driver which uses the SPI interface.
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[21:57] <carldani> I wanted to test it on real hardware before I make a Linux kernel driver out of it.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> don't have any spi hardware to hand, sadly...
[21:57] <carldani> gordonDrogon: you do, you just don't know
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> go on then... tell me where :)
[21:57] <IT_Sean> amelia_: i call first dibs on a buying oppurtunity
[21:58] <IT_Sean> seriousily... if you want to sell it when it arrives, let me know, amelia_
[21:58] <amelia_> IT_Sean: I'll hold you to it :) now, any recommendations on what I should do when i get chance to open it?
[21:59] <carldani> gordonDrogon: one SPI flash chip on any recent (>2005) graphics card, one SPI flash chip on any gigabit Intel network card, one SPI flash chip on most recent (>2008) mainboards, one SPI flash chip on most recent (>2007) DVD drives, ...
[21:59] <amelia_> Not managed to keep up on OS images much as I'd like ... specifically I'd like to get some sort of GUI with video and audio through HDMI..
[21:59] <IT_Sean> get it up and running, then post from it
[21:59] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:59] <IT_Sean> just ot gloat
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> right - and you want me to unsolder them....
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I really mean accessible :)
[22:00] <carldani> gordonDrogon: on some mainboards, the chip is not soldered, but in a socket
[22:00] <carldani> gordonDrogon: that said, SPI flash chips only have 8 pins... it is manageable with a soldering iron.
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[22:00] <dmsuse> amelia_: ill pay $5 more than sean :P
[22:01] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: hush. besides... i called dibs
[22:01] <IT_Sean> DIBS!
[22:01] <dmsuse> :(
[22:01] <nid0> and now you see why they go up on ebay
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> actually, I have an arducopter mega board & shield...
[22:01] <TopherBrink> i'll pay ?5 less than every other bid AND demand you pay for fast postage.
[22:02] <carldani> TopherBrink: win!
[22:02] <amelia_> Disclaimer: I could utilise more, but would rather see the second unit go to someone who'd appreciate it... however, if you want to throw money at discrediting IT_Sean's state of dibs. I won't complain ;)
[22:02] <TopherBrink> i'm cunning and evil
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[22:02] <amelia_> TopherBrink: undeal!
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[22:02] <carldani> But.... will it blend?
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> nah, Vitamix ftw :)
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[22:04] <IT_Sean> hey hey hey! you can't overrule dibs! it's dibs!
[22:04] <IT_Sean> dibs is dibs! :p
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/05/etcher-ipad-etch-a-sketch/
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> that's neat.
[22:07] <amelia_> IT_Sean: if you want my Pi, you'll have to buy my iPad too. I do you good deal, very nice! ;)
[22:07] <IT_Sean> I already have an ipad
[22:07] <IT_Sean> in fact, im using it now to talk to you
[22:08] <carldani> IT_Sean: I can't hear you.
[22:08] <nid0> so its an etch-a-sketch that costs more than an actual etch-a-sketch and needs an ipad to go with it
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> yes. wont boy one myself, but it's still an intersting concept.
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> I don't have an iThingy.
[22:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently getting ahold of farnell without calling them is impossible
[22:09] <GabrialDestruir_> -sighs-
[22:09] <chancellorsmith> doing this on my fresh arch ??? pacman --sync --refresh --sysupgrade ??? lots of stuff going on!
[22:09] <matthiasb> Hi, quick help needed: I am trying to pressed my d-i. Using USB image, have to crate preseed.cfg. Done that. Missing part is linking that file as a menu entry or default entry at boot time.
[22:10] <chancellorsmith> and hexxah - yes ssh runs by default on arch image - which is useful
[22:10] <matthiasb> How do i do that? Doc mentions modifying syslinux.cfg, but not HOW.
[22:10] <matthiasb> More precicely i am following that guide in the d-i documentation; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole
[22:11] <tpresence> what usb wireless adapters have people successfully used with their pi?
[22:11] <Holden> tpresence, I think there's a page about that on the wiki
[22:11] <matthiasb> Embarrassing, typed all that in the wrong channel. Sorry for the inconvinience.
[22:11] <IT_Sean> hahaha
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[22:12] <carldani> next time, someone quotes bash.org as a response
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[22:13] <RITRedbeard> <ScratGod> I put a comment by each line of code that says
[22:13] <RITRedbeard> <ScratGod> x = 1; // FUCK YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF BITCH
[22:13] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[22:13] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:14] <IT_Sean> RITRedbeard... ... you know better. language. please.
[22:14] <RITRedbeard> I did what carldani told me.
[22:14] <RITRedbeard> I should load it as a script in my IRC client.
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently the international rate to call the UK with my phone is 75 cents a minute -.- -sighs-
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Er
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir_> 76.3??
[22:16] <IT_Sean> i'll give you $1 to stop griping about the international call rate. it's been three days now.
[22:16] <RITRedbeard> use skype
[22:16] <RITRedbeard> get money
[22:16] <RITRedbeard> use skype
[22:16] <RITRedbeard> get money
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> 75c /min? Wow...
[22:19] <RITRedbeard> dollar a minute basically
[22:19] <RITRedbeard> that's an expensive phone call
[22:19] <IT_Sean> more like 3/4th a dollar per minute, really.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> Use VoIP.
[22:19] <RITRedbeard> no there are 75 cents in a dollar
[22:19] <IT_Sean> um.... no.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> Get an accout on a UK SIP provider, pay them a top-up and call for about 1.2p a minute.
[22:20] <RITRedbeard> trust me, I'm from america
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> e.g. sipgate.co.uk
[22:20] <IT_Sean> so am i RITRedbeard
[22:20] <RITRedbeard> no you're not
[22:20] <IT_Sean> I sort of am.
[22:20] <RITRedbeard> UltimateMacUser1, you best be trollin'
[22:21] <IT_Sean> I'm irish. But i live in NJ.
[22:21] <IT_Sean> how do you not know that boy now?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> *by
[22:21] <IT_Sean> it's only been mentioned in here a million times.
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[22:21] * IT_Sean isn't sure if RIT is serious or not.
[22:22] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey is there a torrent or URL to pull down the raspbmc image ? I can't find it anywhere.
[22:22] <RITRedbeard> It would explain why IT departments are useless I suppose... very useless :(
[22:23] <IT_Sean> O_o
[22:23] <IT_Sean> FunnyLookinHat: did you look on the raspi website?
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[22:24] <mkopack> IT_Sean: down here we'd call you a "carpet bagger" LOL
[22:24] <RITRedbeard> OWNED
[22:24] <RITRedbeard> d i r t y s o u t h
[22:24] <mkopack> Of course, they call ME that as well, so....
[22:24] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:24] <mkopack> Even though I've lived down here longer than I did up north
[22:25] <FunnyLookinHat> IT_Sean, Yeah I didn't see it under downloads
[22:25] <mkopack> You couldn't pay me enough to move back north??? No F'ing WAY
[22:25] <FunnyLookinHat> IT_Sean, here? http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[22:25] <mkopack> FunnyLookinHat: What EXACTLY are you looking for? Which OS image?
[22:26] <IT_Sean> FunnyLookinHat: the download torrents are ON THAT PAGE. Scroll down... bit further... keep going... right THERE! Where it says "TORRENT: [url]"
[22:26] <mkopack> If you're looking for the Fedora image, it was pulled, because frankly it SUCKED and was horribly buggy. They supposedly have a new 17 build coming out in a week or two.
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[22:27] <mkopack> Pretty much everyone here is using Debian (with a few running the Arch build)
[22:27] <FunnyLookinHat> mkopack, IT_Sean I'm looking for an image with raspbmc ... :D
[22:27] <FunnyLookinHat> That's what I said above :)
[22:27] <FunnyLookinHat> Can I do that on the debian image
[22:27] <FunnyLookinHat> ?
[22:27] <mkopack> WTF is RaspBMC?
[22:27] <IT_Sean> it's the xbmc image for the raspi
[22:27] <RITRedbeard> A fantasy land.
[22:27] <RITRedbeard> For people who have no idea what a HTPC is.
[22:27] <mkopack> Oh jesus christ, here we go
[22:27] <IT_Sean> is that out yet?
[22:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah.... I guess I'll just take the hit for the money and let it be a lesson that Brits are horrible business people.
[22:27] <GabrialDestruir_> -shrugs-
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[22:27] * RITRedbeard high fives mkopack
[22:28] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[22:28] <mkopack> Here's an idea??? google for rapsbmc??? Gee, what comes up? www.raspbmc.com and a DOWNLOAD link???
[22:28] <FunnyLookinHat> IT_Sean, According to raspbmc it's hosted on raspberrypi.org
[22:28] <Tachyon`> farnell are a business seller really
[22:28] <Tachyon`> they're not used to this sort of demand
[22:28] <FunnyLookinHat> mkopack, I'm not an idiot - I checked there... it sends you to raspberrypi.org :D
[22:29] <mkopack> Then it must have gotten pulled
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir_> That's a piss poor excuse to up the price on something yet again, then not respond to emails to the people buying it when they want to know why.
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir_> J/s
[22:29] <RITRedbeard> mkopack: http://goodluckmakingrent.com/images/mynig.jpg :) (SFW edition)
[22:29] <Tachyon`> oh, didn't realise they'd done that
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[22:29] <Hexxeh> Davespice: don't use PM unless you need to keep something private
[22:29] <Tachyon`> it's probably an error
[22:29] <Hexxeh> Davespice: thanks
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir_> It's an error that got them an extra 15 dollars they've already taken from my account.
[22:30] <Davespice> Hexxeh: sorry I forgot you don't like pms
[22:30] <Hexxeh> Davespice: my client hates them
[22:30] <Hexxeh> IRCCloud is convenient, but it sucks at PM management
[22:30] <Davespice> Hexxeh: well congrats on making the front page
[22:30] <Hexxeh> cheers :P
[22:30] <Davespice> I'm serious, thats a good bit of work :)
[22:31] <mkopack> Well, I just checked my archives and I don't have it, so you're SOL FunnyLookinHat. Try asking in the forums on the Rpi site
[22:31] <Hexxeh> been around for a few weeks now Davespice, i've been tweaking it a little every so often
[22:31] <mkopack> Look in the distro forum on there. there's probably a thread devoted to it
[22:31] <Hexxeh> i use it on my Pis, it's rather handy
[22:31] <Davespice> where does it pull the latest firmware from?
[22:31] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Yeah you seem to be the man with the Rpi lately!
[22:32] <Hexxeh> heh
[22:32] <Hexxeh> hoping to kick more ass once we have X drivers :P
[22:32] <FunnyLookinHat> mkopack, Cool thx :D
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[22:32] <mkopack> Hexxeh: We can only hope! I'm just hoping mine shows up soon
[22:33] <mkopack> And since there isn't jack sh*t offered for classes this summer, it looks like I might actually have some time to play with it and the Panda this summer
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[22:33] <Davespice> I have actually been trying to read a tutorial on open gl es (this one; http://db-in.com/blog/2011/02/all-about-opengl-es-2-x-part-23/) not sure if its a good one or not though
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[22:34] <Davespice> the guys use of English is not 100%, but I can follow it
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[22:37] <jm|laptop> hm
[22:37] <jm|laptop> different through the Onkyo
[22:37] <FunnyLookinHat> mkopack, Ah found some here in case you want to cache a version: http://www.numan1617.com/rpi/openelec/builds/
[22:38] <amelia_> Ikea do food.. I am in love <3
[22:39] <mkopack> Nah, I honestly don't care that much about using it as a media player
[22:39] <mkopack> At least not yet
[22:39] <mkopack> amelia_: Yup, some of it is quite good too!
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[22:40] <mkopack> Davespice: Better than nothing, right?
[22:40] <Davespice> mkopack: sorry? :)
[22:40] <mkopack> What you were saying about the tutorial on open gl es
[22:40] <Davespice> oh yeah
[22:41] <Davespice> its explaining the concepts pretty well, and I am following it by looking at the hello_triangle example
[22:41] <Davespice> I am just not used to development on Linux, so am using nano to edit all the source files
[22:41] <Davespice> well, I should say - non IDE development other than for simple scripts
[22:41] <mkopack> http://www.khronos.org/opengles/2_X/
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[22:42] <Davespice> ahh cool, I'll have a look at that one too
[22:42] <mkopack> Yeah, I hear ya??? I always find it somewhat painful to give up the IDE and go back to VIM, especially when dealing with largish projects??? single file stuff no biggie...
[22:43] <Davespice> I know... I really want - right click, go to definition :)
[22:43] <mkopack> Davespice: Khronos is the group/alliance that makes the Open_xxxx specs so if you're looking for info, probably your best starting point
[22:43] <Davespice> and intellisense on object properties... I think Microsft has spoilt me
[22:44] <mkopack> That and being able to see all the files that make up the project and being able to easily double click to launch it in a tab
[22:44] <Davespice> yeah... you can sort of do that with Geany
[22:44] <mkopack> Drives me bat shit crazy when I have to do stuff in VIM and have to leave VIM, cd all over the place, open a new file, make a change, exit VIM, cd back 20 directories, edit something else, etc.
[22:44] <Davespice> someone was telling me CodeLite is good too... haven't looked at it yet
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[22:45] <mkopack> I just really LOVE Netbeans (since I'm a java guy) and find it hard giving up that power
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[22:45] <Mr> anyone know how the gpios are addressed (reachable)? just want to try makinng a program that toggles one of the pins
[22:45] <xlq> I just really LOVE vim (since I'm a vim guy) and find it hard giving up that power.
[22:45] <RITRedbeard> vim is the best
[22:46] <mkopack> That link I gave you has a Quick Reference Card on it, so you might want to look at that
[22:46] <xlq> Mr: Some information about the uninteresting peripherals was released on the raspberry pi website.
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[22:46] <Mr> All try finding it
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[22:48] <Davespice> vim is like nano though isn't it?
[22:48] <nid0> you're begging for an argument there
[22:48] <Davespice> as in would work through PuTTY... *scratch*
[22:48] <Mr_Rpi> btw.. how can u say un interesting?? :) how would u otherwise connect a real-time clock and other cool stuff?
[22:49] <_av500_> NTP...
[22:49] <mkopack> Davespice: Yeah, it's a command line style editor, not a GUI one
[22:49] <Davespice> command is vi for vim?
[22:49] <mkopack> and like I said, VI(M) is fine, but I find it annoying to use for doing multi-file development in.
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[22:50] <Davespice> ahh I've just got it up, so you have two files on the go at once...
[22:50] <mkopack> Dave, if you've never used VI or VIM, stick with Nano. You'll just get annoyed
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[22:50] <Davespice> I've got this, don't worry - it's all commands by typing :something right?
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[22:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there a good howto somewhere to take the KERNEL and SYSTEM files from a build and turn them into a .img ?
[22:51] <mkopack> Yeah, there's basically "Command Mode" (hit Escape to enter that mode) and "Data mode" where you're typing into the file.
[22:52] <mkopack> When in command mode, hit : and down at the bottom you'll see : and then you can enter in some commands
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[22:52] <mkopack> other commands (like go to insert at the cursor position) you just do by entering command mode and then typing i
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[22:53] <Matt> vim is a fantastic editor, but it's got a really steep learning curve
[22:53] <mkopack> As does EMACS
[22:53] <mkopack> mostly because they're both powerful...
[22:53] <Matt> if you're willing to battle it out for a while, it's worth it :)
[22:53] <mkopack> But I see them as editors, NOT IDEs
[22:53] <Matt> mkopack: except you can almost always guarantee that vi will be on a box
[22:53] <Matt> unlike emacs :)
[22:53] <mkopack> sure
[22:54] <mkopack> Yeah, I'm a VI > Emacs guy
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[22:54] * Matt nods
[22:54] <zleap> emacs seems to do everything
[22:54] <zleap> as does vi
[22:54] <Matt> emacs can do pretty much anything
[22:54] <Matt> there even an irc client for it
[22:54] <Matt> it's a kitchen-sink app :)
[22:54] <mkopack> that doesn't mean it's a spectacular dev environment
[22:54] <Matt> bit like sendmail in that respect
[22:54] <chancellorsmith> am i right in thinking that one dat there will be kits out that make it much easier to interface with electronics
[22:55] <chancellorsmith> that'd be cool
[22:55] <mkopack> It's an open framework that you can throw anything into
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[22:55] <mkopack> chancellorsmith: Um, go look at Arduino. Already exists
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[22:55] * Matt has never really been a fan of emacs
[22:55] <Davespice> yeah, this is it - I like to have a file browser on screen when editing
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[22:55] <Davespice> but I think I have been spoilt by Visual Studio
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[22:56] <Davespice> I even found Qt Creator a bit clunky when I first used it...
[22:56] <mkopack> Yeah, I just really prefer the GUI IDEs???
[22:56] <Revo> How can I mod my Debian image so it automatically starts SSHD? I don't have HDMI cable
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[22:56] <Davespice> Revo: you just rename one of the files in /boot
[22:56] <mkopack> but then a lot of that is because I went from C64 to Amiga where everything was GUI??? Not to DOS or *nix were it was mostly command line until the mid 90's
[22:56] <Davespice> Revo: its a file called boot_ssh_something.rc, just rename it to boot.rc, and then do a sudo reboot
[22:57] <Revo> aaah ok, brilliant - thank you
[22:58] <Davespice> yeah I am an old DOS person, so I kind of like the Linux command prompt, feel at home using it
[22:58] <Davespice> just most serious development I have ever done has been with a decent enough IDE
[23:00] <Davespice> the whole Raspberry Pi thing has been good for me so far, its challenging me to step outside the comfort zone, I've leart quite a bit last couple of months
[23:00] <Matt> if you don't mind something being a bit big and bloaty, eclipse isn't bad :)
[23:00] <mkopack> Yeah, eclipse is decent, but I prefer Netbeans. I don't like the way Eclipse displays your project resources??? It's not intuitive at all to me
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[23:02] <Davespice> mkopack: what do you mean resources? all the obj files?
[23:02] <Davespice> I think I installed eclipse on my Ubuntu pc actually... /squint
[23:03] <mkopack> Like it will show the lib (jar)'s in both project files and in resources and it's just confusing as well
[23:03] <mkopack> and it's terminology for importing resources rather than adding them is annoying as well
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[23:04] <mkopack> and it drives me bat shit crazy every time I install Eclipse that I have to jump through so many hoops to get the SVN plugin installed - Netbeans comes with one built in
[23:04] <mkopack> In fact, I like Netbean's plugin system WAY better than Eclipse's
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[23:04] <mkopack> Netbeans also has a pretty good GUI designer for Java built in.
[23:04] <Davespice> right, I'll put that on the list to check out, does Netbeans to c++ too?
[23:04] <mkopack> A decent Profiler tool...
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[23:04] <mkopack> Yup
[23:05] <mkopack> You just point it at your compiler and linker and it uses them
[23:05] <Davespice> cool, just wanted to check is wasn't just java
[23:05] <mkopack> I've used it for Python dev as well (via a plugin)
[23:05] <Davespice> cool
[23:05] <mkopack> It's written in Java...
[23:06] <mkopack> so you'll need that installed, but otherwise, it's pretty much language agnostic
[23:06] <mkopack> although certainly aimed more at Java and C/C++ than anything else
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[23:07] <Davespice> right o
[23:07] <Davespice> been thinking it would be fun to write a pinball game, I can only think of about two or three good ones ever made
[23:07] <chancellorsmith> re the SSH thing earlier, i think it's damn handy that an SSH server is started at first boot by default
[23:07] <Davespice> Psycho Pinball being one, and Epic Pinball... and there were the MS ones
[23:07] <mkopack> Pinball Construction Set from electronic arts back in the C64 days!
[23:07] <chancellorsmith> that way folks can get in and sort things out without a tv
[23:08] <chancellorsmith> and without a keyboard and mouse
[23:08] <Davespice> mkopack: yeah true
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[23:08] <Davespice> #BALL ONE LOCKED!#
[23:08] <mkopack> Ugh, I ate too much??? Damn you 5 Guys and you're bag full of fries!
[23:08] <mkopack> Yupr
[23:08] <mkopack> your
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[23:11] <chancellorsmith> Installing Ruby from source to: ??? , this may take a while depending on your cpu(s)...
[23:11] <chancellorsmith> lets face it - it's gonna take a while...
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[23:14] <chancellorsmith> night all, wil let it stew
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[23:17] <Davespice> guys, stupid Linux n00b question
[23:18] <zleap> just ask
[23:18] <Davespice> when I allocate a swap partition, is it enough that the partition just exists on the SD card, or do I need to do something else to tell it where the first block of the partition is so that it can use to to allocate Virtual Memory?
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[23:18] <freddysdad> Davespice, man swapon
[23:19] <Davespice> ar
[23:19] <Matt> you need to run mkswap on the partition
[23:19] <mjr> mkswap /dev/partition
[23:19] <Matt> but swap on sd is a really bad idea :)
[23:19] <mjr> and it needs to be in /etc/fstab for it to be automatically enabled at boot
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[23:20] <Davespice> well the Default debian image comes with a 192 mb swap area
[23:21] * gordonDrogon waves.
[23:21] <Gadget-Mac> Does it ?
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[23:21] <Davespice> yeah it does
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> delete the swap partition...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:21] <Davespice> not sure if it is enabled...
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> it's not by default if this is the debian image...
[23:22] <Davespice> only thing is I might have a use for it when compiling stuff
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> if so, your compiles will go really really slow.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> not that they're fast in the first place on the Pi...
[23:22] <Davespice> a GD, yes I am trying to enable it
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I have a project that takes 5 seconds to compile on my workstation ... 85 on the Pi.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> and that's without swapping.
[23:22] <Davespice> yeah I know, but one thing I have is time and patience :)
[23:23] <Davespice> I've got a couple of projects that I've been trying to sort out which fail to compile on the Pi due to running out of memory
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> if you want memory for compiling, use the 224MB image and don't run X.
[23:23] <Davespice> so I only want it to get it past that stage
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> well - you can temporarily do this:
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> as root, cd /var ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=128
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> mkswap swapfile
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> swapon swapfile
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> that'll temporarily give you a 128MB swapfile.
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[23:25] <plugwash> mmm, compiling/linking in swap is not good for performance but sometimes the only choice is that or cross compiling and cross compiling has downsides of it's own
[23:26] <plugwash> if there was a reasonally priced arm board with 2 gigabytes of ram i'd buy one but there isn't
[23:26] <Davespice> so if my swap partition is /dev/mmcblk0p3 - what do I enter?
[23:26] <Davespice> mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p3 ?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p3
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> then swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> prefixed by sudo
[23:26] <Davespice> okay cool, right
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> however I'd suggest not doing it and extending the root partition and using a swapfile.
[23:27] <Revo> What file system does the root partition on debian use? ext3?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> ext4
[23:27] <Revo> Hmm thanks, trying to mount it on osx but no luck
[23:27] <Revo> should work..
[23:28] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: okay I've done that it seems happy
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea... don't use osx...
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, run the 'top' command to check.
[23:29] <Davespice> yes, at the top it says swap: 261628k total
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> 256MB swap. huge. more than enough.
[23:29] <Davespice> cool okay
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> it's going to go really really really slow if it ever starts to use it.
[23:30] <Davespice> that is okay, I appreciate that - all I want to do is shove it through the last linking stage of a compile
[23:30] <Davespice> as in the *get in there* <boot on head>
[23:30] <Davespice> so I would need to run those commands every time I reboot too?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> just the swapon command.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> however if you edit it into /etc/fstab it'll be fine.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> /var/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
[23:31] <Davespice> oh okay, so the mkswap command just prepars the data on the partition
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> that's for my swapfile, you substitude the /dev/mm.... for /var/swapfile
[23:31] <DaQatz> Swapping on an SD card...
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's a sort of format for swapfiles.
[23:32] <Davespice> okay cool, thank you, I don't always want to use swap - just for certain situations
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> do reboot with the 224MB kernel though.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> every little bit more RAM will help.
[23:33] <Davespice> to do that do I just rename something and then sudo reboot?
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> copy /boot/arm224_start.elf to /boot/start.elf
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> then reboot.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> don't rename, copy.
[23:34] <Davespice> oh I see
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[23:34] <plugwash> afaict the mkswap command just sets a marker so that the kernel knows it's swap
[23:34] <Davespice> I usually do an mv
[23:34] <plugwash> this reduces the risk of accidentally swapping to somewhere you didn't mean to
[23:34] <plugwash> and obliterating whatever was there before
[23:34] <Davespice> ah right, cheers plugwash
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> if you mv one start.elf, then mv another, you lose the first unless you rmember to rename it first...
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> but if you always copy from the 'masters' then you're ok.
[23:35] <Davespice> I better not reboot now, as the wife is watching Glee downstairs, and the Pi steals the HDMI focus when it reboots... haw haw ;)
[23:35] <DaQatz> Doooo eeeeet
[23:35] <Davespice> haha
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> unplug the hdmi...
[23:36] <Hexxeh> Davespice: disable HDMI and that won't happen :)
[23:36] <Davespice> yeah I should just unplug it :)
[23:36] <Davespice> a sod it, sudo reboot <enter>
[23:36] <Davespice> "DAAAAVE!!!!!!"
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[23:36] * Davespice grins
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[23:36] <mjr> "What do you think you're doing, Dave?"
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[23:37] <danfosheezy> Hehe
[23:37] <Davespice> mjr: lol, whenever someone quotes a line from 2001 I hear that hissing noise in my head - anyone else get that?
[23:37] <amelia_> :P
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> My name's not Dave :)
[23:38] <Mr_Rpi> right now Im upgrading my debian from squeeze to testing... takes more than 2 cup's of coffe :/ anyhow, how can I resize my main partiton? tried Gparted but didnt work, just resized my swap to 500mb
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> resize...
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[23:38] <Davespice> Mr_Rpi: I always do it on another PC
[23:38] <Mr_Rpi> tnks for the advice
[23:38] <Davespice> if you've only got access to Windows PCs you can use a special Gparted USB boot disk
[23:39] <Mr_Rpi> I have only windws pc
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> do it live on the Pi :)
[23:39] <Mr_Rpi> :)
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[23:41] <Davespice> my Pi says its only gor 34 mb of memory free... is that normal? acceptable?
[23:42] <Davespice> got*
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> where does it say that?
[23:42] <Davespice> top
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> mine says:
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Mem: 190836k total, 40052k used, 150784k free, 6588k buffers
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> what does yours say?
[23:42] <Davespice> Mem: 190836k total, 156832k used, 34004k free, 22116k buffers
[23:42] <mjr> depends what you've got running there ;]
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> you've started X ?
[23:42] <Davespice> no X is not running
[23:43] <mjr> run top, press "M"
[23:43] <Davespice> but I have got ssh, samba and winbind daemons going
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Hm...
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Ah...
[23:43] <lee> or try "free -m" from a shell
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> well, samba might be hogging a bit.
[23:43] <Hexxeh> 208MB free here running Raspbian
[23:43] <Hexxeh> Running SSHD/nginx
[23:44] <mjr> also, you listed buffers, but do you have a lot of "cached"
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[23:45] <Davespice> clearly I need to learn how to optimise my memory usage
[23:45] <Davespice> and not have unnecessary stuff running
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, just don't run anything :)
[23:46] <Davespice> it says winbind several times in the list, 4 times actually...
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[23:46] <Davespice> smbd a few times too... is this strange to anyone?
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[23:47] * dmsuse seriously considers buying an ebay pi :(
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> not really
[23:47] <ReggieUK> slap yourself dmsuse!
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> if you can afford it and really want one, with a long wait on the 'official' channels, then ...
[23:48] * dmsuse slaps himself
[23:48] <dmsuse> k thats better
[23:48] <Davespice> one of my mates says he is going to sell one, I don't agree with it personally
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> there were 2 on buy it nows earlier for ?85 inc P&P
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> sell one? how many does he have??
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, fwiw, I got one off ebay.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> 3 weeks ago...
[23:49] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: how much for?
[23:49] <Davespice> he's going to have two soon
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> I paid 105 for it.
[23:49] <dmsuse> gbp?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> ?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:49] <dmsuse> ouc
[23:49] <dmsuse> h
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[23:49] <dmsuse> do you think it was worth it?
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> for me, yes.
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm not making money out of it, but it's been a lot of fun.
[23:50] <dmsuse> im gona hold out a little longer, hopefully they will drop to around 50 and i'd go for that
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> I went to a conference thing in Manchester 2 weeks ago with it - if I'd not been going to that, I'd probably not have bothered, however it's a fun little toy.
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[23:51] <gerrynjr> just received my pi
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[23:51] <gerrynjr> what is the default user/pass for the debian image?
[23:51] <gerrynjr> suse doesnt work
[23:51] <dmsuse> cool, you done anything with the gpio's?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> pi/raspberry
[23:51] <Davespice> gerrynjr: pi / raspberry
[23:51] <gerrynjr> just getting started
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> lots with the GPIOs.
[23:51] <Davespice> its on the downloads page
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
[23:52] <gerrynjr> iman idiot
[23:52] <gerrynjr> I used the info on the farnell page
[23:52] <dmsuse> cool !
[23:52] <gerrynjr> it was wrong
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[23:52] <dmsuse> how do you interface with the gpio.. which language?
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> it was right for the previous image...
[23:52] <Hexxeh> anyone who got their Pi from RS around?
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> BASIC and C.
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[23:53] <dmsuse> basic?
[23:53] <Hexxeh> there's a 4 digit number on the sticker on the box, wondering if it's different for everyone
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a library in C for it.
[23:53] <Mr_Rpi> its not worth buying it that expensive from ebay! Just wait for it! My first reflection is that it's right now quite slow! but that might be cause the builds out here right now
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Yea, BASIC :)
[23:53] <dmsuse> linux has basic?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> it has several, but I wrote my own.
[23:53] <dmsuse> oh
[23:53] <gerrynjr> cant say I like the placement of the connectors 8-/
[23:53] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, you wrote a gpio lib?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> no-one likes the connectors, however it was built to a budget :)
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> yes, gpio lib in C.
[23:54] <gerrynjr> farnell charged me in GBP
[23:54] <ReggieUK> why not just access them via the gpio driver interface?
[23:54] <gerrynjr> instead of USD 8(
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> I wanted to access them from C and I wanted to make them emulate the Arduino wiring functions.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> and because I enjoy programming for the sake of programming, because I could...
[23:54] <plugwash> gerrynjr, if you are in the US wanted to be charged in USD you should have ordered from newark
[23:55] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, well, you can still acess them with C, nothing changes there, that's how they are done on other embedded platforms
[23:55] <plugwash> i'm guessing you ordered from "farnell export" in the UK
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[23:55] <gerrynjr> plugwash: everything on the rpi site said that USD would be charged in USD
[23:55] <gerrynjr> from farnell
[23:55] <dmsuse> how does the gpio driver change how they are interfaced?
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, you mean other embedded platforms that run Linux - Pi is the only one I have.
[23:56] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, yes, other arm embedded platforms :)
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> it's unlikely I'll ever use them.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> but you never know.
[23:56] <ReggieUK> I'm not saying you're wrong doing it, just interested why you chose one path over another
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> I wanted something easy.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> it was easy for me to write the code in C.
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> it's fast too - not that I need speed, however. I do like efficiency though.
[23:57] <ReggieUK> for example, the gpio drivers are pretty mature these days, written in c/c++, available via /dev/, /sys/ etc. :)
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm not aware of one in /dev yet... I have plans to write one if I have time.
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[23:57] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: so with the gpio drivers, you could control them with bash?
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to have one in /dev that I can open and mmap in the same way I'm currently using /dev/mem but from userland rather than from root.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> yes, I have a program that does jsut that.
[23:58] <ReggieUK> personally I was thinking of patching up something to give us a bunch of buttons via gpio-keys
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[23:58] <ReggieUK> and yes, it gives you access to the gpio via userland
[23:59] <Davespice> aha
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[23:59] <Davespice> Mem: 190836k total, 63736k used, 127100k free, 10932k buffers (after a reboot)
[23:59] <dmsuse> im more excited now :D
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[23:59] <dmsuse> so what can they do, are they just switches?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/test.sh.txt
[23:59] <Mr_Rpi> u can drive other circuits with them

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