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IRC Log for 2012-05-11

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[0:00] <ReggieUK> dmsuse, gpio are gpio, do with them what you will :D
[0:00] <ReggieUK> http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=linux-kernel:drivers:gpio-keys
[0:00] <Mr_Rpi> example h-bridges clocks sensors
[0:00] <Mr_Rpi> temperature, windspeed logging
[0:00] <ReggieUK> thats a way to turn gpio pins into an interrupt driven keyboard (if you had enough gpio)
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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> I do lots of stuff on Arduinos (and some PICs) and mostly just wanted to do it the way I'd program them.
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> I also wanted something to interface to my BASIC - it can talk to arudinos with a little thing I wrote to extend wiring back to a Linux host.
[0:02] <ReggieUK> oh sure, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking what you've done
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> So in BASIC, I can open a remote arduino or the local GPOI and use the same commands on either.
[0:03] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: cool
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> and I like that the adruino hides the underlying hardware from you and just provides "pins"... So you have pins 0 through 13 on a standard Arduino.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> I extended this to my thing, so I have pins 0 through 16 on the Pi.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> 0-7 are GPIO 0 through 7 on the edge connector
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> easier than remembering BCM_GPIO_18, etc.
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> GPIO_18 is pin 1 is the PWM pin...
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[0:06] <ReggieUK> I would probably have been happy referring to it as bcm_gpio_18 :D
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[0:06] <mkopack> Oh fun??? JP Morgan is calling an unexpected Conference call to announce that they lost nearly $1B in Q2??? welcome to double dip recession folks
[0:07] <dmsuse> 1b isnt alot
[0:07] <IT_Sean> It's not a little!
[0:08] <Mr_Rpi> I'll make good use of your wiringPi... might try connect a real-time clock to the Pi
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[0:08] <gordonDrogon> theres a few clock projects mentioned in the forums..
[0:08] <dmsuse> to a bank, its nothing :P
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> I was initially skeptical of the needs for a clock, but it seems that many people plan to use them standalone for data acquisition, or simple control stuff.
[0:09] <Mr_Rpi> sure... but i have c code and layout for a working ds1307 I might be able to use
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[0:09] <Mr_Rpi> it also have a battery backup... or a super cap
[0:10] <Mr_Rpi> yes... continus logging data could be a possible area as well
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[0:10] <gordonDrogon> there's a sort of hackspace near me in a couple of weeks time, but they're looking at using mobile phone app.s for some geology field logging
[0:11] <mkopack> well, guess I'll head home and try to enjoy the season finale of Big Bang Theory before the economy collapses again...
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> I might go along with the Pi and see what they're up to.
[0:11] <mkopack> later gang
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[0:11] <Mr_Rpi> cool idea... out of my league ;)
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> I've never done a phone/pad/pod type app before, so I think I'll just put my programmers hat on and give them the benefit of my many years experiece :)
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[0:12] <gordonDrogon> http://field-studies-council.org/centres/slapton/slaptonley/outdoorclassroom/fsc-fieldwork-hack-day-2012.aspx
[0:12] <Mr_Rpi> I think that's a great Idea... nothing like trying a new field !!
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[0:13] <gordonDrogon> we'll see!
[0:13] <Mr_Rpi> :)
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[0:13] <Mr_Rpi> good night guys! Later!
[0:13] <dmsuse> nite
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[0:19] <gerrynjr> any way to grow the / partition?
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> have a read through that.
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[0:21] <gerrynjr> looks helpful, thanks
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> it seems to work :)
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[0:25] <gerrynjr> ROFL... KP on reboot
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> KP?
[0:26] <gerrynjr> kernel panic, cant mount root
[0:26] <gerrynjr> good thing I can try this multiple times 8-)
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> that's not good...
[0:26] <gerrynjr> I probably messed up
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> what had you done immediatly before?
[0:26] <gerrynjr> created the new partition
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[0:27] <gerrynjr> but I was "smart" and used cfdisk instead
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> ok... :)
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it moved the first block. fdisk seems to pick the wrong block
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[0:28] <gordonDrogon> I think it tried to be 'smart' about the alignment or something..
[0:28] <chris_99> hi, has anyone else experienced kernel oops
[0:28] <gerrynjr> gordonDrogon: Linux user for close to 14 years now, you build up bad habits
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> that's ok - I bear you by 4 years and I like using cfdisk too!
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, not seen an oops myself on the pi yet - managed to crash it requiring a power cycle though..
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> back in 5 minutes..
[0:30] <Thorn__> Why is it old people always use being old as an excuse for everything? I'm 12 and also use cfdisk, *g*
[0:30] <gerrynjr> Im not old... I'm 26
[0:30] <gerrynjr> I started using linux at your age 8-)
[0:30] <chris_99> hmm, i get consistent oops's
[0:30] <chris_99> by just leaving it alone
[0:30] <Thorn__> 26, 62, don't give me your numbers.
[0:31] <gerrynjr> gordonDrogon: it does run a bit warm
[0:31] <gerrynjr> meant to send that to chris_99
[0:31] <chris_99> i think the problem is something to do with X
[0:31] <gerrynjr> I havnt used X yet
[0:31] <chris_99> i'll paste a backtrace in a sec
[0:32] <gerrynjr> and dont really plan in doing so
[0:32] <chris_99> i intend to play videos with it
[0:32] <dmsuse> there aint anything you can do in X you can't do in terminal :P
[0:32] <chris_99> er play videos for one :P
[0:32] <dmsuse> lol
[0:32] <gerrynjr> chris_99: you can play videos on the terminal 8-0
[0:32] <dmsuse> yes you can actually
[0:32] <chris_99> in ascii
[0:32] <dmsuse> no
[0:32] <gerrynjr> use the framebuffer device
[0:32] <chris_99> it's not the same
[0:33] <gerrynjr> it will play vide
[0:33] <gerrynjr> just not hardware acceslerated yet
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[0:35] <chris_99> i was wrong
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[0:35] <chris_99> i think theres something up
[0:35] <chris_99> with the network driver
[0:35] <chris_99> http://pastebin.com/S5aQLJ6Y
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[0:37] <gordonDrogon> Thorn__, well done :)
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> gerrynjr, if you can keep a finger on the cpu then it's not too hot...
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[0:38] <gerrynjr> I said it was warm 8-)
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, check your PSU - I've heard others have similar issues with Ethernet that I think have been caused by the PSU.
[0:39] <chris_99> hmm, i'm not sure how that'd cause it. It's just the PSU i got from RS.
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> I've actually been overlocking mine for a week or so now.. it peaks at 41C which is OK.
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> I think some bits are more sensitive to PSU voltage than others...
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[0:41] <chnops> hey everyone
[0:41] <Thorn__> longest quit message of the year award
[0:41] <chnops> my rpi arrived yesterday :D
[0:41] <Thorn__> are you here to rub it in?
[0:41] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, on the Pi itself I'd think the first thing that will happen on low PSU voltage is that the 3.3V reg will enter dropout
[0:41] <chnops> yes
[0:41] <Thorn__> :P
[0:41] <plugwash> leading to a low and unstable 3.3V supply which seems to bother the ethernet chip
[0:42] <chnops> i'm just excited, I wasn't expecting it for another couple of weeks
[0:42] <plugwash> outside of the Pi itself a low 5V line is also likely to bother USB perhipherals
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> just did a google - there was someone here the other day with the same issue - they didn't see it with keyboard & mouse unplugged though.
[0:43] <chnops> is it possible to power the rpi using a PC's USB port, or should I really plug it into my phone's USB charger?
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> try the phones charger first.
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> most PCs will only supply 500mA
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[0:43] <chnops> ah, yeah the phone charger does work
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> and it needs a bit more than that when booting (or so it seems)
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[0:44] <chnops> i'm just too lazy to crawl under my desk everytime to plug in the charger :)
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[0:44] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest not using the cheapest possible charger, if possible...
[0:45] <plugwash> the core should be good down to pretty low voltages as the regulator supplying it (internal to the SOC) appears to be designed to run off a battery supply (probablly a cellphone style single cell liion or lipo)
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> although saying that, I'm using a cheapish powered hub to power it - it has a 2A charger though.
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> isn't the USB which includes the Ethernet chip all powered off the 5V supply though?
[0:46] <plugwash> The USB to ethernet chip is supplied from the 3.3V rail
[0:46] <plugwash> which is supplied by a linear regulator from the 5V rail
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[0:49] <plugwash> you could probablly improve stability of the ethernet chip under low input voltage by replacing the 3.3V regulator with a lower dropout part
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[0:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm surprised people are still using linear regulators...
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[0:51] <gordonDrogon> but it's been a very long time since I've actively looked at stuff like this. Last "computer" I built was 6502 based :)
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[0:51] <plugwash> switchers are more efficient but have higher part counts
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> and therefore cost...
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> and as cost was an issue here, I can see where the trade-off is!
[0:52] <gerrynjr> why the F do they start GDM on bootup?
[0:52] <gerrynjr> oops, sorry
[0:52] <gerrynjr> forgot about language here
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> which distro are you using? Debian doesn't...
[0:52] <gerrynjr> debian does 8-)
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> mine doesn't.
[0:53] <gerrynjr> at least, my image does... in the background
[0:53] <plugwash> debian does if you install it, the Pi images don't come with it installed iirc
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> there is that...
[0:53] <plugwash> the soc has a builtin switcher for the core so it's only ancillary stuff that runs off linear regulators
[0:53] <gerrynjr> didnt install it
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> So yours boots directly into lxde?
[0:54] <blarson__> plugwash: everything but the usb ports runs off the 3.3v regulator, including the 2.5v and 1.8v regulators.
[0:54] <chnops> is X on the debian image unaccelerated? (and can it be?)
[0:54] <chnops> because it's very very slow :p
[0:55] <plugwash> blarson__, no it doesn't
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> it's not accelerated yet.
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> just don't try to run too much as once on it...
[0:55] <plugwash> the 1.5 and 1.8 do but the core supply is supplied from a switcher built into the SOC that runs direct from the 5V
[0:55] <plugwash> RTFSchematic
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[0:56] <gerrynjr> gordonDrogon: that howto did work
[0:56] <gerrynjr> had to do some calculations for the swap partition though
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> gerrynjr, glad to hear it!
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[0:56] <gerrynjr> made a partition instead of a swapfile
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> I didn't bother with keeping the swap partition.
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[0:57] <blarson__> plugwash: ok, you are right
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[0:59] <gerrynjr> rofl... arduino IDE runs on the rpi
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[1:00] <gerrynjr> trying a daap server now
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[1:01] <gerrynjr> does the rpi do audio out over HDMI?
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> the arduino ide is written in java.. I imagine it's going to be a lot slow.
[1:01] <gerrynjr> gordonDrogon: it is... was just a test
[1:01] <gerrynjr> tiny board programming a tiny board
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> it should, but I've not tried any audio yet.
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> gerrynjr, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
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[1:03] <gordonDrogon> also http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
[1:03] <dmsuse> why do you need an arduino if the pi can do it all with gpio pins?
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> arduino can do real-time control, Pi can't. Arduino has many PWM, Pi has 1. Arduino has analogue input, Pi hasn't.
[1:04] <dmsuse> what is real time control?
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[1:05] <gordonDrogon> the ability to do something at a precisely timed interval, or provide a guaranteed response to do something in response to an external input.
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[1:05] <dmsuse> C code can't time it?
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> not on the Pi.
[1:05] <dmsuse> :(
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> it's because of Linux.
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> It can interrupt your program to do something else at any time.
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[1:06] <gordonDrogon> you can mostly "get away" with it though, and it's good enough for some simple applications - simple robots, lights and switches.
[1:07] <gerrynjr> no RTC On the rpi?
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> no clock.
[1:07] <gerrynjr> gordonDrogon: and that is cool
[1:07] <IT_Sean> gerrynjr, no, there is no RTC on the pi.
[1:08] <IT_Sean> You can use a network time server to set the clock after boot
[1:08] <IT_Sean> or do it manually
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> brb
[1:11] <chnops> hm, I think my keyboard layout is wrong
[1:12] <gerrynjr> mine is as well
[1:13] * Matt__ waves around a UK keyboard
[1:13] * gordonDrogon is right back.
[1:13] <Matt__> again?!
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[1:13] <gordonDrogon> if it's on the 'net it ought to pickup the right time quite quickly after boot.
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[1:13] <gerrynjr> I'm still in disbelief that this is a fully working system of this size for this price
[1:13] <gerrynjr> it's crazy
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> it's great!
[1:14] <Matt> there, that's better
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[1:15] <gerrynjr> gonna do my LUG presentation this week on my Rpi 8-)
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> We're starting a new LUG in Exeter tomorow - I'm demoing the Pi there too.
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> gerrynjr, where are you?
[1:17] <gerrynjr> southeast Massachusetts, USA
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[1:17] <gordonDrogon> ok a bit far from me then :)
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[1:17] <gordonDrogon> I did spend a couple of years in Boston (or near) it - many years ago though!
[1:18] <gerrynjr> boston is a good city
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[1:18] <gordonDrogon> it's ok :)
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[1:18] <gerrynjr> its better than NYC, imo
[1:18] <gordonDrogon> I was based near Concord.
[1:18] <gerrynjr> and, there's so much history there
[1:18] <gerrynjr> but, if you are british, I guess it's a sore spot 8-)
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> yea )-: As I found out when I went on a tour bus and the annoncer forgot to ask if there were any british on-board...
[1:19] <gerrynjr> the british are coming, the british are coming 8-)
[1:20] <gerrynjr> there are more than a few jokes in there not appropriate for kids
[1:20] <dmsuse> the best one is :P
[1:20] <dmsuse> The phrase "Nothing Important Happened Today" comes from King George III's supposed diary entry on 4 July 1776
[1:21] <jm|laptop> :)
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[1:23] <gerrynjr> curious, is the audio driver to the pi alsa compatible?
[1:23] <gordonDrogon> I understand it's supposed to be, but I've no experience of it..
[1:23] <gerrynjr> heh... sound application cant open device
[1:23] <dmsuse> i was told its not working on alsa yet
[1:23] <gerrynjr> it's probably b/c the driver isnt loaded 8-)
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[1:25] <gordonDrogon> right zed time for me.
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[1:25] <el7r0> hi there
[1:26] <dmsuse> hewwow
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[1:27] <el7r0> I just wanted to compile the hello_pi examples but make gives me some errors: http://pastebin.com/JNY4T3TR
[1:28] <el7r0> any clue on what I am doing wrong or what I missed?
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[1:29] <des2> The linker implies you need to add that libtary with something like -lthreads
[1:30] <des2> Where did you get the hello_pi examples from ?
[1:30] <gartenzwerg> el7r0: I had the same problem after updating, you have to add -lpthread in the common Makefile for the LDFLAGS
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[1:31] <el7r0> sry, I should have mentioned that I am on arch
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[1:32] <el7r0> gartenzwerg: thanks. that worked!
[1:32] <gartenzwerg> you're welcome
[1:32] <chnops> er
[1:32] * gartenzwerg thinks someone should fix the rolling update
[1:33] <Vir2L--> is there a boot flag or something that would auto-reboot on freeze or am I stuck with the unplug/replug?
[1:33] <chnops> I did 'showkey', and now I can't ctrl+c or get out of it anymore :p
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[1:34] <gerrynjr> gartenzwerg: what rolling update?
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[1:35] <gartenzwerg> the Arch Linux rolling release for the RPi, after pacman -Syu the examples don't work
[1:36] <amelia_> Any recommendations on going for the Arch ARM image over the Debian squeeze image at rpi.org/doenloads?
[1:36] <amelia_> *downloads
[1:36] <gartenzwerg> unless you ask in #raspberrypi for the right linker flag :-)
[1:37] <gerrynjr> still trying to get my airplay server working 8-)
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[1:37] <gartenzwerg> amelia_: the Arch ARM image is more bare bone, e.g. the Debian image with the pi user has a nice LXDE setup
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[1:40] <amelia_> gartenzwerg: tack :)
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[1:58] <GabrialDestruir_> ITS HERE!
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir_: Congmehulations.
[2:00] <chnops> GabrialDestruir_, nice :D
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[2:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I thought it was going to be without GPIO pins? o.O
[2:01] <des2> They inadvertantly included the connector.
[2:01] <des2> Was a mix up.
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[2:02] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay.... now time to go figure out how to put the OS on the sdcard
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
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[2:02] <chnops> GabrialDestruir_, was really simple with 'dd' under *nix
[2:03] <chnops> just downloaded the image, copied to the sdcard, shoved it in, and bam, it booted :D
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[2:03] <chnops> there's a quick guide on the site
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[2:03] <chnops> I actually had no hdmi cable so I used the s-video output at first, which was cute (and unreadable)
[2:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay.... now I just have to decide which OS I want xD
[2:04] <chnops> i went with debian
[2:04] <des2> Kids these days. We used to program with output like that.
[2:04] <des2> But you have to reduce it to like 16 lines of 32 characters.
[2:05] <chnops> yeah it was mostly the character size that was the problem
[2:05] * amelia_ pokes IT_Sean
[2:05] <IT_Sean> ACK!
[2:05] <IT_Sean> ow!
[2:05] * IT_Sean prods amelia_
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir_> I must be missing something, does the Raspbmc download not exist or something? Their site points to RPi's and RPi's doesn't have it in the download section.
[2:10] * amelia_ eeps
[2:11] <IT_Sean> you poked me. I assume there is a reason? :)
[2:12] <amelia_> Just saying hey.. finally got home, so getting around to putting an image on disk to boot the pi :D
[2:12] <IT_Sean> aesome :D
[2:12] <IT_Sean> *awesome :D
[2:14] <gartenzwerg> just fine tuned my I2C driver configuration a bit more, now it is nearly 100 kHz, and created a pull request for rpi-patches: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/linux-device-drivers-for-rapberry-pi-on-board-io/page-4#p76721 now the fun can start with all kind of I2C devices :-)
[2:15] <Syliss> ugh, i want a rpi now
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Damn.... I can't find my wifi dongle.... lol
[2:16] <Syliss> lol
[2:16] <IT_Sean> is that it over there? ::points::
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay.
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir_> All set!
[2:16] <Syliss> i think when they are super avail ill buy 2 of them
[2:17] <des2> 2!
[2:17] <IT_Sean> what distro are you going with, amelia_?
[2:17] <Syliss> i just wish amazon became a partner to by them
[2:17] <des2> Newegg.
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir_> If I buy another one, I sure as heck won't be exporting them from anywhere. lol
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir_> I'll get it locally instead.
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir_> 13 minutes til Pi initialization.
[2:18] <Syliss> newegg is fine but i can get amazon gift cards easily
[2:18] <gerrynjr> something is up w/ the audio driver
[2:18] <amelia_> statd and nfs-common initialisation failed...
[2:18] <gerrynjr> keeps OOPSing
[2:18] <amelia_> IT_Sean: stock Squeeze from raspberrypi.org/downloads
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir_> It'd be awesome to see Pi on Newegg.
[2:18] <IT_Sean> kinky.
[2:19] <chnops> hum that's weird, tried to run mkfs.ext4 on a new partition in the empty space on my sdcard, and it froze right after starting it, can't even login on other VTs anymore
[2:19] <Syliss> speaking of, newegg has a 6ft hdmi cable for less than $3 shipped
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir_> I need to invest in some sort of case .-.
[2:20] <mpthompson> I don't have an hdmi capable monitor, but my monitors do have dvi input. Will the rasberry pi work fine with a dvi monitor with an hdmi/dvi adapter?
[2:20] <gerrynjr> as soon as audio starts, I get a kernel OOPS
[2:20] <chnops> GabrialDestruir_, I used the cartonbox the rpi was shipped in :D
[2:20] <chnops> not sure if that was only rs providing those
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Just cut it all up?
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[2:20] <Syliss> i will use one pi on my tv as a media server/torrentbox/linux fun, the other will be to tinker with
[2:20] <chnops> yeah
[2:20] <Syliss> mpthompson: yes
[2:20] <mpthompson> OK, good to know.
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Huh.
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Maybe I'll do that too.
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir_> How's the heating or w/e like in the box?
[2:21] <chnops> i want to run my irc bot on my rpi, though it's written for node.js and I have a feeling v8 won't run wel on cheap arm
[2:21] <Syliss> i want to build a lego case since it won't take much, but ill do 1 color
[2:21] * chnops ponders a rewrite to lua
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir_> I HAVE LEGOS!
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir_> That's an epic idea!
[2:22] <Syliss> your welcome
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Thanks ^_^
[2:22] <Syliss> damn cat keeps trying to get on my mbp
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[2:22] <Syliss> she is strange, doesn't chew on cables but loves to sit on them
[2:22] <Syliss> and my laptops
[2:22] <chnops> when I still had a cat it peed all over my laptop once
[2:22] <chnops> I was so sad
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[2:22] <ReggieUK> warm cables
[2:23] <Syliss> ReggieUK: i thought that but she does it in summer too
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[2:23] <ReggieUK> I was thinking perspex or something like that for a case, handmade rather than the laser cut things that are doing the rounds
[2:24] * IT_Sean still wants to make a nice wooden case
[2:24] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean!!! you've hit the nail on the head
[2:24] <chnops> oh hell, I am getting EXT4 errors about my root partition now
[2:24] <chnops> does that mean my sdcard is bad?
[2:24] <ReggieUK> I've got a mate who is going to make me a wooden case for an arcade controller
[2:24] <chnops> mmcblk0p2
[2:24] <Syliss> nice
[2:24] <gartenzwerg> GabrialDestruir_: this is how it can look like: http://retrotext.blogspot.de and third post is pi in a breadbox :-) (old C64 case)
[2:24] <shirro> chnops: sd cards are a mystery to me
[2:25] <ReggieUK> does all sorts of fancy turnings etc.
[2:25] <Syliss> i want puppy linux on my pi
[2:25] <ReggieUK> the point is he gets nice types of timber :)
[2:25] <shirro> sd cards: how do they work?
[2:25] <ReggieUK> shirro, nand flash + a controller chip
[2:26] * IT_Sean is planning a wooden case large enough gor the raspi, a power switch, relocated status LEDs, and a USB hub.
[2:26] <amelia_> Any reason why squeeze would be displaying at 1824x984 under X nstead of 1080p as it was during boot?
[2:26] * IT_Sean is also planning to relocate all the ports (minus the SD card) to one side
[2:26] <ReggieUK> what I want to know is how the hell they squeeze it all down to fit on a microSD
[2:26] <shirro> amelia_: overscan settings
[2:26] <Syliss> amelia_: don't worry about boot, worry about in desktop
[2:27] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: fibreglass :P
[2:27] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, were you talking about usb hubs and issues last night?
[2:27] <IT_Sean> I don't recall doing so
[2:27] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok :)
[2:28] <amelia_> I'm worried abut in desktop - boot was fine, desktop has this odd resolution.
[2:28] <amelia_> Any idea how to fix it?
[2:28] <ReggieUK> oh, that was it, you were talking about power from a usb hub
[2:28] <shirro> disable_overscan=1 in /boot/config.txt and reboot
[2:28] <IT_Sean> Yes, i was.
[2:28] <Syliss> i plan on using an iPhone wall plug for my power adapter for a pi, good thing i have like 4
[2:28] <ReggieUK> max current etc.
[2:29] <IT_Sean> i'll probably use a crackberry or generic charger, as i have a few of those lying around.
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[2:29] <IT_Sean> does an iPhone charger provide 700ma?
[2:29] <Syliss> 1amp
[2:29] <IT_Sean> that'll do :p
[2:29] <Syliss> yep yep
[2:30] <ReggieUK> my usb hub will let you draw 2amps off it
[2:30] <Syliss> yeah good idea to use the hub for power and use like 3 ports on a 4 port hub
[2:30] <shirro> amelia_: if your display chops text off and can't be adjusted the alternative is to adjust the overscan settings instead of disable. config.txt settings are http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/config-txt/#p40416
[2:30] <ReggieUK> my cheapo 7 port hub
[2:30] <Syliss> ah
[2:31] <ReggieUK> if anyone is planning to use a cheap hub and you've got soldering experience, I urge you to take a look inside and see if there are any caps missing
[2:31] <shirro> amelia_: and while you are there notice the overclock settings :-)
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Haha!
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Found my legos
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir_> ^_^
[2:32] <Syliss> nice
[2:32] * IT_Sean also plans to expariment w/ overclocking
[2:32] <ReggieUK> I've got 2 here and another electronics whizz has got a couple he took apart and examined
[2:32] <ReggieUK> they all have missing caps
[2:32] <Syliss> missing caps?
[2:32] <el7r0> does anyone has any news on the i2s issue? is it finally lost on current revision boards or are there some tricks to mux them somehow?
[2:32] <IT_Sean> and?
[2:32] <shirro> I need to get another powered hub for the Pi. I currently have an unpowered octopus like hub crammed full of low power device. Is a wonder it works at all
[2:32] <ReggieUK> the 2 non powered hubs just don't have any capacitors at all
[2:32] <Syliss> oh
[2:33] <ReggieUK> the bus/self powered line is always tied to self powered
[2:33] <ReggieUK> so if your usb is a bit wonky and you've got a cheap hub........
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[2:34] <ReggieUK> the caps. are usually added per port to keep the rest of the systems lines from dipping when you insert a device into the hub
[2:34] <amelia_> shirro: I don't have boot/config.txt
[2:34] <shirro> amelia_: you will not by default. you have to create one if you want non default settings
[2:34] <ReggieUK> but on some of the chinese hubs, they seem to have them missing
[2:34] <ReggieUK> like just enough caps to make it work and no more
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[2:35] <shirro> there should be nano and vi on your image or geany in x windows. will have to sudo whichever you use as /boot will be owned by root
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[2:36] <shirro> ReggieUK: Just like a Sinclair QL?
[2:36] <ReggieUK> probably :)
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[2:37] <ReggieUK> you should also, if you're electronically minded, 110-240v safe kind of person, take a look at the power supply
[2:37] * IT_Sean just found a PalmIII (in mint condition) that he didn't know he had in the back of a drawer O_o
[2:37] <Syliss> I've been trying to decide what tablet i want, but have to keep it cheap. since I'm not making a lot with a broken leg
[2:37] * IT_Sean tosses batteries in it to see if it works
[2:37] <ReggieUK> they're also a mixed bag with the cheap chinese usb hubs
[2:38] <ReggieUK> the one I got with mine is a very nice 2amp decent supply
[2:38] <ReggieUK> others are decidedly bad for a 7port hub
[2:38] <IT_Sean> it works :p
[2:39] <ReggieUK> again, missing components, bad design, poor soldering with the chance of shorting
[2:39] <amelia_> shirro: thanks for that - under u i just sudo's leafpad and made it. One line did the job :)
[2:40] <danfosheezy> Reggie: have a link yo your hub?
[2:41] <danfosheezy> To*
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[2:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Do 3x2 legos exist? .-.
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[2:42] <GabrialDestruir_> I can't remember
[2:43] <IT_Sean> 3 plod by 2 plod?
[2:43] <IT_Sean> i want to say yes, but i am not 100% sure.
[2:43] <des2> http://www.etsy.com/listing/77963029/yellow-3x2-plate-lego-bracelet
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[2:44] <shirro> GabrialDestruir_: I think every combination of lego exists somewhere
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> So that's a yes .-.
[2:44] <danfosheezy> I am thinking a new take on the lego case
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> The question is.... do I own any xD
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[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Yay!
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> found some!
[2:45] <danfosheezy> One mega block!
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir_> EWWW
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Megablocks are for babies!
[2:45] <des2> I like the lego case.
[2:45] <danfosheezy> lol
[2:45] <shirro> Megablocks don't hold together
[2:46] <shirro> If I do a lego case I am going to stick lego compatible doctor who bits all over it. A few daleks would look great.
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[2:47] <shirro> I am leaning towards an SK Pang style setup. This looks good to me: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[2:48] <amelia_> veeeeeeeery slowlt installing VLC...
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[2:48] <shirro> amelia_: don't bother. no hardware accel. You want omxplayer
[2:48] <danfosheezy> That kit looks cool
[2:49] <amelia_> Thanks -- tried downloading an ogg file to test audio, stupid Music Player won't open it
[2:49] <IT_Sean> that kit does look neat
[2:50] <shirro> amelia_: alsa is probably disabled by default. The sound driver is a work in progress. Video sound works well under omxplayer and hdmi though
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[2:50] <shirro> amelia_: you may need to load the alsa module
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir_> Legos + Pi don't fit togethere exactly.... it's kind of sad
[2:50] <IT_Sean> You can probably peice it together for less than ??16, but, it is a near kit.
[2:50] <IT_Sean> *neat
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[2:51] <shirro> It feels wrong to order such a simple kit and case from the uk. All that oil being burnt. But I haven't seen anything like the skpang thing anywhere else
[2:52] <amelia_> How do I get alsa going then?
[2:52] <shirro> If I cut the acrylic myself it is going to be all jaggy
[2:53] <shirro> amelia_: sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835
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[2:54] <GabrialDestruir_> DAmn USB ports!
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir_> They're too tall
[2:54] <shirro> You may need to do more than that like select the sound output - headphone vs hdmi. I haven't bothered trying yet because it is supposedly unstable and I haven't needed it yet
[2:55] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir_, no, they are exactly the right height for two USB ports.
[2:55] <IT_Sean> Perhaps your lego are too SHORT
[2:55] <amelia_> shirro: tried that, then tried opening this .ogg file in VLC (as I'd installed it). TV is saying unsupported sound, no audio cometh :(
[2:56] <amelia_> *sigh*
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[2:58] <ReggieUK> danfosheezy, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310227586664?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir_> There.... makeshift lego case done.
[2:58] <ReggieUK> I didn't pay ??94 for it though
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir_> I could probably improve it, but for now it should be fine.
[2:58] <ReggieUK> I think it was about ??4 inc shipping
[2:58] <IT_Sean> !
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Except the legs around the USB port -sighs-
[2:58] <IT_Sean> ??94 for a USB HUB!!!?????
[2:58] <IT_Sean> What...
[2:58] <IT_Sean> The...
[2:58] <IT_Sean> Arse...?
[2:59] <ReggieUK> the price is obviously wrong and erm, language ;)
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[2:59] <IT_Sean> ooh... right... sorry.
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[2:59] <DaQatz> 94 pounds.. wtf
[2:59] <danfosheezy> I bought the exact same hub, but with a 3a power supply
[2:59] <IT_Sean> did you spend ??94 on it, danfosheezy?
[2:59] <amelia_> ReggieUK: I once wanted a genuine Canon case for a particular camera.. and the only place that had this particular model of case was listing them at ?1000 each :/
[2:59] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:59] <DaQatz> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/high-speed-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-vertical-stand-black-110-240v-ac-adapter-42750
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[3:00] <ReggieUK> I know someone else that bought the exact same hub too, theirs was supposed to be a 2-3amp psu but could barely sustain 500ma
[3:00] <danfosheezy> Nah around a fiver lol
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[3:00] <ReggieUK> amelia_, ouch!
[3:01] <danfosheezy> Hoping to get 500ma per port lol
[3:01] <danfosheezy> Seems I might have to buy another :p
[3:02] <el7r0> does anyone has any news on the i2s issue? is it finally lost on current revision boards or are there some tricks to mux them somehow?
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[3:03] <ReggieUK> I thought the pins were still there but used for something else
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[3:03] <ReggieUK> so it would require a resistor to be removed or something like that
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[3:04] <IT_Sean> that is my recollection as well
[3:04] <el7r0> ah ok, thanks.
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[3:04] <GabrialDestruir_> I can work on a beter design later
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[3:04] <GabrialDestruir_> But lego Case V1 complete xD
[3:04] <IT_Sean> pix or it dinnt happen
[3:04] <el7r0> bb
[3:04] <IT_Sean> O_O
[3:04] <IT_Sean> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180786734741?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649#ht_500wt_1413
[3:05] <IT_Sean> oh, wait, no, that's old news, nevermind
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[3:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Do you think Legos will interfere with my wifi signal? >.>
[3:05] <IT_Sean> No
[3:05] <GabrialDestruir_> kk good xD
[3:05] <IT_Sean> A) Lego are plastic
[3:05] <danfosheezy> Yeah I remember watchong that auction
[3:05] <IT_Sean> 2) plastic does not block RF
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[3:06] <IT_Sean> and 3) the plaurle of lego is lego. there is no 's'
[3:06] <danfosheezy> Watching*
[3:06] * IT_Sean wishes he could type and eat a cookie at the same time witout shagging it up
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir_> o.O
[3:07] <amelia_> IT_Sean: not the right term to use..
[3:07] <IT_Sean> ?
[3:07] <danfosheezy> Lol
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[3:08] <GabrialDestruir_> I'd disagree with you...
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir_> but we're both wrong.
[3:08] <amelia_> anyone know of any fully-enclosed Pi cases?
[3:09] <IT_Sean> I have yet to see any that aren't just CG drawings?
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[3:09] <IT_Sean> err... - ?
[3:09] <IT_Sean> I plan to build one, but, that doesn't help you much, i'm afraid.
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir_> My current Lego Bricks case is mostly enclosed
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir_> It's only open where the ports and stuff are.
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir_> But it's rather tacky... xD
[3:10] <Gwayne> Good morning
[3:10] <IT_Sean> Good evening.
[3:11] <Gwayne> :-) The power of timezone's strikes again :-)
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[3:11] <IT_Sean> where are you, Gwayne?
[3:11] <Gwayne> Singapore
[3:11] <Gwayne> I am a pesky Dutchman in Asia
[3:11] <IT_Sean> Huh. I just shipped an RMA'd modem ot Singapore the other day.
[3:12] <danfosheezy> Its am here, but its evebing till I go to sleep lol
[3:12] <amelia_> Hm ... I know people have spoken of getting xbmc working on the pi ... any quick and cheerful way of getting sound working?
[3:12] <shirro> amelia_: I just got sound by alsa for the first time. woohoo! I installed alsa-utils and did this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/alsa-drivers/page-3/#p67476 - the sound from the headphones is horrible.
[3:12] <danfosheezy> Evening*
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[3:12] <Gwayne> I am still waiting for my Pi :(
[3:13] <danfosheezy> Damn android keyboard dont like my sausage fingers :D
[3:13] <amelia_> shirro: I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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[3:14] <amelia_> In other news.... at 1920x1080 on a 32" screen, all writing looks tiny, and I appear to be blind :(
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[3:15] <amelia_> shirro: is that HDMI too, or headphones-only?
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Writing the debian image now ^_^
[3:16] <shirro> HDMI sound is good. The headphone socket is some low budget pwm thing which the electronics people seem to thing is a bit crap
[3:17] <Motig> I can't seem to get mplayer to play the audio file
[3:17] <Motig> it just never plays
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[3:17] <IT_Sean> ooh, HDMI audio works? good.
[3:17] <shirro> mplayer apparently uses bits of the alsa api that don't work so well
[3:17] <Motig> hm
[3:18] <shirro> Ben0 has reported that games and simple players work ok, but mplayer has problems
[3:18] <amelia_> -sigh- putting that instruction brought back the alsa error in VLC. Great.
[3:19] <shirro> Personally I think OMX is the way to go on this hardware. So go and get the gstreamer omx driver and the vlc omx plugin ported people :-)
[3:20] <amelia_> I'm sorry, I need to get gstreamer omx drivers? I've never even heard of omx :/
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[3:21] <amelia_> Apologies if I seem obtuse, I'm overworked and underslept.
[3:21] <shirro> amelia_: ALSA kernel drivers are a bit buggy but are being worked on. ALSA developer are wanted if you know any
[3:21] <amelia_> if I knew ALSA developers, I'd be asking _them_ about sound ;)
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir_> whoohoo!
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Booted
[3:22] <shirro> OpenMax IL is a rather nasty interface to the video and audio defined by the OpenGL people. It works pretty well though. XBMC uses it and the omxplayer can be built from source and it will play media from command line pretty well
[3:23] <shirro> There is a gstreamer-omx that looks to be worked on by Ti and others and I have gstreamer support on my imx53 board which enables lots of gnome apps
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir_> I can't get it to login xD
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[3:25] <shirro> This is what I am using. I had to hack the Makefiles a bit to compile locally as it is setup for cross compile https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer
[3:25] <jm|laptop> amd64 --> arm translation is slooow
[3:25] <jm|laptop> poor qemu
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[3:25] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no mouse.... xd
[3:25] <amelia_> free hugs to anyone who can get me working audio? :D
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir_> xD*
[3:27] <shirro> Free hugs from an old bearded guy to anyone who can get be accelerated X (that isn't going to work is it?)
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[3:27] <ReggieUK> I take it people are aware that mplayer has numerous different codec options in it, some work way better than others?
[3:27] <ReggieUK> codecs, filters, etc.
[3:28] <xakh> Hello, anyone able to help me with imaging my SD card?
[3:28] <xakh> I imaged it, but when I try to expand the partition
[3:28] <xakh> it fails to boot
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[3:28] <jm|laptop> xakh: does it boot before you expand the partition?
[3:28] <xakh> yeah
[3:28] <GabrialDestruir_> It doesn't have interwebs either .-.
[3:28] <jm|laptop> what are you using to expand the partition?
[3:29] <xakh> gparted
[3:29] <jm|laptop> and you're expanding the ext4 partition?
[3:29] <xakh> yeah
[3:29] <xakh> wouldn't want to expand the boot, lol
[3:29] <jm|laptop> did you fsck it afterwards?
[3:29] <xakh> Gparted fsks after making the partition, it said it was fine
[3:30] <xakh> I kept getting timeouts when it tried to boot on the machine
[3:30] <xakh> I reimaged it after I ran out of space
[3:30] <jm|laptop> xakh: I had similar issues with a MicroSD in a SD adaptor
[3:30] <jm|laptop> -110 and -5?
[3:30] <xakh> that's the one
[3:30] <jm|laptop> also: you might have a fake card :)
[3:30] <xakh> but this is a class 4 32 GB sd from Amazon
[3:30] <xakh> Amazon Basics, sorry
[3:30] <jm|laptop> well it serves you right for showing off.
[3:30] <xakh> haha
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[3:31] <DaQatz> Hmm seeing PI commits in the Haiku room.
[3:31] <jm|laptop> try some other partition sizes?
[3:31] <jm|laptop> 8GB? 16GB?
[3:31] <xakh> I bought the highest capacity I could afford, sorry
[3:31] <xakh> ok
[3:31] <xakh> also
[3:31] <xakh> would mounting separate / and /home be easy enough?
[3:31] <jm|laptop> but know that I never got past the -5 -110 zillion messages with my SDHC card
[3:31] <xakh> I always like to do that on my main machine
[3:32] <jm|laptop> fstab exists
[3:32] <xakh> well, I also moved the swap section
[3:32] <xakh> fstab?
[3:32] <xakh> I've been running Linux for 4 years now, and I'm still not entirely certain what that program does
[3:32] <jm|laptop> it's a text file
[3:33] <xakh> hmm
[3:33] <xakh> what do I rewrite it to say after I write all these things to it?
[3:34] <jm|laptop> . o O ( wut )
[3:34] <jm|laptop> fstab is read early in rl1 iirc
[3:35] <jm|laptop> /dev/mmc0p7 /home xfs 0 0 or whatever
[3:35] <xakh> oh
[3:35] <jm|laptop> xfs might not be a great choice
[3:35] <xakh> I'm not using that
[3:35] <jm|laptop> on an SD card
[3:35] <xakh> actually, is btrfs usable on SD cards
[3:35] <xakh> ?
[3:35] <jm|laptop> o.O
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[3:36] <xakh> I use it on practically everything else, since it's faster and combines the good parts of Reiser and Ext4
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[3:36] <jm|laptop> you do /know/ what Reiser got up to, right?
[3:36] <jm|laptop> </libel>
[3:36] <xakh> yeah, I do
[3:36] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I go about getting my wifi dongle working?
[3:36] <danfosheezy> Haiku, interesting
[3:37] <xakh> but anyway, back to formatting this thing
[3:37] * mkopack thinks the judge should have made part of his sentence be to finish his damn work!
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> What did reiser get up to?
[3:37] <jm|laptop> mkopack: hehehe
[3:37] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: Off'ed his wife
[3:37] <xakh> buried her under a tree
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> damn
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> I guess he did
[3:37] <xakh> yeah
[3:38] <xakh> so there's not many updates to Reiserfs anymore
[3:38] <jm|laptop> under a tree.h
[3:38] <xakh> heh
[3:38] <DaQatz> Was it a btree?
[3:38] <ReggieUK> who was asking about i2s and audio earlier?
[3:38] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/audio-pwm/page-2
[3:39] <ReggieUK> 5th post on that thread outlines how to get at i2s
[3:39] <ReggieUK> leapfrog did a similar thing with their didj/explorer consoles
[3:39] <RITRedbeard> why did he do it?
[3:39] <jm|laptop> she was "dayum your fs is latent!"
[3:39] <xakh> oh, also, I posted a more detailed explanation of what's happened so far on the card and board
[3:39] <xakh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/change-partition-size-on-sd-card#p76737
[3:40] <jm|laptop> "and what about the memory hole!"
[3:40] <jm|laptop> "that journal ain't gonna right itself"
[3:40] <jm|laptop> and all that.
[3:40] <jm|laptop> sp. sic.
[3:40] <RITRedbeard> lol
[3:41] <jm|laptop> the fork "uxoricidefs" is less successful
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[3:42] <xakh> ok, question
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir_> If linux recognizes my wifi dongle in lsusb do I need drives still or should it work? .-.
[3:42] <xakh> well, lsusb just means it knows something is in the port
[3:42] <jm|laptop> GabrialDestruir_: you might yet need drivers AND firmware
[3:42] <xakh> it doesn't mean it knows what it is
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah...
[3:42] <xakh> like if somebody parks a car I've never seen in front of my house
[3:43] <xakh> I know there's a car there, but I don't know what kind it is
[3:43] <jm|laptop> /dev/vehicle/car
[3:43] <xakh> or how to drive it, necessarily
[3:43] <xakh> right
[3:43] <xakh> ha
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Except it's not quite the same... considering that lsusb can actually see the name and stuff.... so technically it does know what "car" is out there :p
[3:43] <xakh> btw, can I set mounting points in Gparted when I'm not using it to install an OS?
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir_> But yea I get your point.
[3:44] <jm|laptop> xakh: wut!?
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[3:44] <xakh> I mean, when I'm installing an OS on a laptop or something
[3:44] <xakh> it allows me to set mounting points for partitions
[3:44] <xakh> and I thought it was gparted that I used to do it
[3:44] <jm|laptop> mount points are not tied to a disk/device/partition
[3:44] <xakh> but I want to make one partition / and one /home
[3:44] <xakh> oh yeah
[3:45] <xakh> heh
[3:45] <jm|laptop> you can *label* in gparted
[3:45] <xakh> that was kind of a dumb question
[3:45] <jm|laptop> and those labels can sometimes be used in fstab
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[3:46] <GabrialDestruir_> Wow..... even simple tasks cause the CPU to spike like crazy
[3:47] <jm|laptop> . o O ( what CPU )
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir_> the pi one... there's a little CPU monitor on the taskbar.... and it goes all green when the pi does well anything
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[3:47] <xakh> ok, so I'm making two partitions here, one 10 GB for / and one 20 GB one for /home, the rest for boot at the beginning and swap at the end
[3:48] * jm|laptop counts four
[3:48] <xakh> oh, crap, actually, how will I set the partition as home once it boots?
[3:48] <xakh> or am I getting ahead of myself, since it hasn't booted yet?
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[3:49] <jm|laptop> xakh: fstab
[3:49] <xakh> ohhhhhhh
[3:49] <xakh> wow, I'm kinda dumb,
[3:49] <xakh> ok
[3:50] <xakh> and I can edit it by mounting it on my laptop before I run the thing, so I can just add Quake to it from the start and move the /home stuff to /home, right?
[3:50] <ReggieUK> yup
[3:50] <jardiamj> My raspberry pi just arrived today!!
[3:50] <xakh> grats, mine too
[3:50] <xakh> :D
[3:50] <jardiamj> I just got it from my mailbox.. xD
[3:50] <ReggieUK> you can setup nfs shares etc. too
[3:50] <ReggieUK> i2s seems like it will be very doable then for audio
[3:51] <jardiamj> I'm getting ready to prepare my SDcard with Arch
[3:51] <jm|laptop> iiuic the kernel is invoked and points to a partition/fs for the root file system. Scripts are then called from init to do things like mount related partition/fs
[3:51] <ReggieUK> no idea what it would take to make an i2s breakout board
[3:51] <ReggieUK> I know you can get chips
[3:51] <ReggieUK> wolfson do one
[3:51] <ReggieUK> some even
[3:51] <ReggieUK> cirrus logic do some too
[3:51] <ReggieUK> do they need much in teh way of support components? anyone know?
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[3:52] <xakh> be warned, arch seems to only like going out through RCA
[3:54] <jardiamj> for some reason I thought it had a miniHDMI port
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[3:54] <jardiamj> but it's actually HDMI
[3:54] <jardiamj> only through RCA?
[3:55] <xakh> it seemed to only go through the RCA jack for me
[3:55] <ReggieUK> audio should work via hdmi
[3:55] <xakh> one of the reasons I swapped off to Debian
[3:56] <xakh> I used Arch for quite a while on a desktop, but I think for now, I'm good with the comforting embrace of .deb packages,
[3:56] <xakh> and dependency checking
[3:56] <xakh> ok
[3:56] <xakh> be back in a sec
[3:56] <xakh> time to see if this boots
[3:56] <jm|laptop> apt > deb
[3:56] <amelia_> ReggieUK: my audio worketh not with HDMI :(
[3:56] <jardiamj> I understand... I have been looking through the forums, but didn't find information about people having trouble with Arch not going through HDMI
[3:57] <jm|laptop> amelia_: you have loaded the modules, right?
[3:57] <jm|laptop> and the alsa userland tools
[3:57] <amelia_> jm|laptop: thought I had.. tempted to re-flash the SD card if you'd care to give me some hints? tried adding hdmi_drive=2 to config.txt
[3:58] <jardiamj> is anybody using Arch here? that has a different experience..
[3:58] <jm|laptop> modules are loaded in the OS, not the loader
[3:58] <jm|laptop> e.g. modprobe -v snd-bcm2835
[3:59] <ReggieUK> I don't have a pi myself so I can't really comment, I know audio via alsa is a bit sketchy and it's definitely a bit iffy through the headphones
[3:59] <xakh> haha, everything seemed to load. one sec.
[3:59] <amelia_> jm|laptop: done that without the -v?
[3:59] <jm|laptop> fair enough
[3:59] <xakh> I'll be back in a minute, either on my netbook, or on the pi itself
[3:59] <jm|laptop> and what does amixer / alsamixer do for you?
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[4:00] <jm|laptop> sheesh. One forgets how much kvm+hypervisor speeds stuff up until you emulate cross-arch
[4:00] <amelia_> jm|laptop: absolutely nothing.
[4:01] <jm|laptop> nothing in what sense?
[4:01] <jm|laptop> amelia_: what does cat /proc/asound/cards tell you?
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[4:02] <GabrialDestruir_> What's a good browser to run on Pi? .-.
[4:02] <mkopack> midori
[4:02] <jm|laptop> midori or dillo I guess
[4:02] <mkopack> need something small
[4:02] <jm|laptop> links :)
[4:02] <mkopack> heeh
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir_> know of anything small that runs html5?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> I Really don't think it'd take that much to get an ic connected to the i2s pins on the pi
[4:03] <ReggieUK> and get decent analog audio out of it
[4:03] <ReggieUK> instead of their 'special' drivers which I believe are essentially bit-banging a pair of pwm pins
[4:04] <jm|laptop> amelia_: I managed to get DTS-HD Master 5.1 out of my Pi earlier so It Can Be Done
[4:04] <jm|laptop> (thought HDMI)
[4:04] <jm|laptop> s/thought/through/
[4:04] <jamesglanville> last few hours to buy one of my 3d printed cases if anyone is interested: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270970305285?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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[4:07] <jm|laptop> isn't there a teeny ebay itm shortener?
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[4:07] <jamesglanville> oh probably, actually looks like I could have dropped everything after the item number
[4:07] <amelia_> jm|laptop: been adding apps and trying to follow suggestions and tips but to no avail - done a fresh reinstall of squeeze on the SD card, just going to boot.
[4:08] <jm|laptop> amelia_: what are you trying to achieve?
[4:08] <amelia_> jm|laptop: not sure - but ebay.co.uk/itm/<itemnumber> works fine
[4:08] <jm|laptop> yeah but there's some sort of e.b.ae/<itm> shortener somewhere
[4:08] <amelia_> jm|laptop: I just want to get sound working through HDMI. Network is fine, screen is fine. being told bits on here and finding bits conflicting online hasn't helped any.
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[4:09] <shirro> amelia_: if you want a good media player there is only omxplayer or xbmc really. everything else will be trouble.
[4:09] <jm|laptop> amelia_: I managed my DTS-HD Master 5.1 with OpenElec
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah .-.
[4:10] <jm|laptop> some lovely helpful people have saved you the 2.5 to 10.5 hours compile if you look hard enough
[4:10] <shirro> though sound seems to work ok with simple players. haven't wanted to install mplayer of vlc because they are a bit heavy just to play some audio
[4:10] <jm|laptop> [giggedy]
[4:10] <amelia_> Ok, how would I get audio working through HDMI? Fresh install - no mention of alsa or modprobe or anything else.
[4:11] <jm|laptop> amelia_: maybe a later kernel would help? http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/08/raspberry-pi/
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[4:14] <amelia_> jm|laptop: I can try that, but I still won't have alsa or anything else
[4:14] <jm|laptop> why not?
[4:16] <amelia_> Well, it doesn't seem to be there by default, and there isn't any definitive guide as to what has to be installed, what has to be modified, and so on. More than enough conflicting ideas online, but no set 'go this route for hdmi audio'... which I'd have thought shouldn't be as complicated as it seems.
[4:16] <shirro> amelia_: I built my own omxplayer but you could try this http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/omxplayer-gpu-enabled-video-player/#p74772 (pass a -o hdmi to omxplayer if the sound isn't coming out hdmi). It works find with evil formats like h264, mp4, aac. I haven't tried an ogg yet as they all seem to have been transcoded so I can play them elsewhere
[4:18] <shirro> amelia_: yes, you are officially a bleeding edge early adopter. fun isn't it :-)
[4:18] <jm|laptop> amelia_: I'm not even sure what you mean by "having alsa" :/
[4:19] <jm|laptop> there are the modules, the userland and the client applications :S
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Is sound in debian squeeze just broken? .-.
[4:19] <shirro> alsa is deliberately disabled because it is buggy. it is being worked on. it isn't an oversight
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[4:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah, ok.
[4:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Well supposedly midori is suppose to have HTML5 support.... yet it doesn't seem to have it I'm confused. .-.
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[4:21] <xakh> okay!
[4:21] <xakh> it booted and everything's fine.
[4:21] <xakh> now, where's fstab located on the device again?
[4:21] <jm|laptop> 'device'
[4:21] <shirro> chromium browser is the best browser available. You just have to be vary careful how many tabs you load and you will get javascript timeouts on things like github
[4:21] <jm|laptop> you mean OS/distro
[4:21] <jm|laptop> xakh: /etc/fstab
[4:22] <xakh> ah, thanks.
[4:22] <xakh> okay, I'm letting it run and install synaptic
[4:22] <jm|laptop> four years? Really?
[4:22] <xakh> while I download quake and get stuff ready for it
[4:22] <Cheery> I realised there would be one real code quality metric
[4:23] <Cheery> how long strings of code are being duplicated around the program?
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[4:23] <GabrialDestruir_> chrome works on rPi's debian? Or do you mean the OS version which hexxeh is/was working on?
[4:23] <Cheery> that is.. pattern matching. :)
[4:24] <Cheery> I'd guestimate that kind of metric would be far more useful than LOC or anything else.
[4:24] * mkopack is starting to thnk it would have been faster to download and install Ubuntu 12.04 from scratch rather than go through the upgrades from 10.10-->11.04-->11.10-->12.04 geesh
[4:24] <shirro> chromium is the name of an open source web browser which Google Chrome is based on. It is packaged in Debian though it may be a bit old
[4:25] <shirro> mkopack: depends how much crap you have installed
[4:25] <GabrialDestruir_> It probably would of been, mkopack
[4:26] <mkopack> Not much??? would have thought it would have just skipped to the latest instead of going one at a time...
[4:26] <amelia_> shirro: so apt-get install chromium would be better than.. Midori, is it?
[4:26] <mkopack> It's in a virtual machine, so it's not a big deal, but still
[4:26] <jm|laptop> GabrialDestruir_: "rPi's Debian" is just standard Debian stable for arm architecture
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Ohs okay then .-.
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[4:27] <jm|laptop> I guess there are subtle kernel concerns
[4:27] <shirro> midori will be smaller it just will not work on a lot of modern web sites. Go to twitters mobile site and midori might work but to use the desktop site you would need chromium. and the package is chromium-browser as the name conflicted with a hgame
[4:27] <jm|laptop> but you were talking the base/userland part anyway
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm experiencing a fair bit of lag on this.... not sure if it's just the pi itself or caused by the sdcard I'm using, anyway to tell?
[4:28] <jm|laptop> 'lag'
[4:28] <jm|laptop> 'this' :/
[4:28] <shirro> web browsing on the Pi is a complete waste of time in my view. It makes about as much sense as web browsing on an Arduino
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir_> slow response time on the rPi
[4:30] <ReggieUK> shirro, I guess it depends what sites you're visiting?
[4:30] <shirro> ReggieUK: anything made this century tends to suffer
[4:30] <jm|laptop> Pen Island dot net
[4:31] <ReggieUK> atm it makes me chuckle that people are using the pi in 1920x180
[4:31] <ReggieUK> 1080*
[4:31] <jardiamj> Guys, before I start would you recommend me to go with Debian or Arch?
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[4:31] <ReggieUK> try both
[4:32] <amelia_> ReggieUK: what would you recommend? 640x480? 80x24? ;)
[4:32] <ReggieUK> depends what you're doing :)
[4:32] <jardiamj> somebody said here before that Arch doesn't like to go over HDMI,
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm thinking it installed the wrong chromium
[4:32] <mkopack> hell, the only reason I'm even bothering to do this update is because gparted needs a newer version of e2fsprogs to resize the partition on this SSD for my Pandaboard. grrrr
[4:32] <ReggieUK> I'll probably need 1024x768 or less
[4:32] <shirro> If you are using X in full hd ffs don't maximise all your apps.
[4:32] <jm|laptop> PRINT PEEK 16384
[4:33] <GabrialDestruir_> because I now have "Chromium BSU" on my pi in games
[4:33] <shirro> GabrialDestruir_: how does it run?
[4:33] <GabrialDestruir_> idk
[4:33] <GabrialDestruir_> It's still busy installing xD
[4:34] <shirro> I really should install some games now
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[4:34] <jardiamj> Has any body ROX installed in their Pi?
[4:34] <jm|laptop> rox as in rox-filer etc?
[4:34] <jm|laptop> that still exists?!
[4:34] <jardiamj> I'm aiming for Arch+OpenBox
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[4:35] <jm|laptop> VDU 7
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir_> and my pi isn't in full HD, it'll only go to like 1184x624
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir_> I must be missing an option
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[4:36] <jm|laptop> 0ONERRORRUN;*KEY10OLD|MRUN|M
[4:37] <jardiamj> jm|laptop, yep that ROX, I'm kind of making an inventory of what I'll be installing
[4:38] <Gwayne> GabrialDestruir_, porn is only displayed in 1184x624
[4:38] <amelia_> GabrialDestruir_: create config.txt in /boot and add the line disable_overscan=1
[4:38] <Gwayne> part of drm :P
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[4:38] <amelia_> reboot, and you should be in 1080p :P
[4:38] <Gwayne> cool
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah. okay.
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir_> First thing first though.... getting my wireless working.
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir_> What's the name of a linux network connections manager gui
[4:39] <jm|laptop> O.o
[4:40] <jm|laptop> I want to say emacs
[4:40] <jm|laptop> network-config - Simple network configuration tool
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[4:41] <jm|laptop> but seriously; it's easier via networks and wpa_supplicant.conf
[4:43] <GabrialDestruir_> I just prefer GUI stuff, it makes things easier .-.
[4:43] * jm|laptop pulls a face
[4:44] <Syliss> is deal extreme a decent site?
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea....
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir_> though shipping can sometimes take forever
[4:44] <Syliss> comes from china?
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir_> and I'm still not sure how I feel about them since a GBA flashcart fried my DS... but that could of easily just been a bad flashcart...
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Yup
[4:45] <Syliss> good to know
[4:45] <jm|laptop> RISC OS, eh? I can dust off XCOPY32
[4:45] <shirro> GabrialDestruir_: there are several. You probably mean Network Manager though there is connman as well. It isn't a laptop. I would do it the old fashioned way
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[4:45] <jm|laptop> agleed
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Except I have a wifi dongle?
[4:46] <jm|laptop> apt-get install wireless-tools
[4:47] <des2> Before buying from deal extreme search out the same thing on ebay.
[4:48] <Syliss> i hate ebay
[4:48] <shirro> Don't try and compile vala stuff on the Pi. You have been warned
[4:48] <RITRedbeard> vala? vala vala vala
[4:49] <shirro> vala is the c# like gnome language that compiles a hello world using almost all your Pi's memory and half your lifetime
[4:50] <jm|laptop> not so sharp
[4:51] <Syliss> eww
[4:52] <jardiamj> GabrialDestruir_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicd
[4:52] <jardiamj> just apt-get it
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[4:57] <GabrialDestruir_> kk
[4:59] <xakh> okay!
[4:59] <jm|laptop> >>
[4:59] <xakh> I'm back, now to edit fstab
[4:59] <jm|laptop> Danger, Will Robinson
[5:00] <xakh> yeah, I could use a guide.
[5:00] <xakh> I'm gonna google that
[5:00] <jm|laptop> xakh: before you do perhaps learn about UUIDs
[5:00] <xakh> I did something with those on my nanonote
[5:00] <xakh> but I haven't had experience with it for a long time
[5:00] <jm|laptop> mind you; you're not likely to have extra SD devices
[5:00] <jm|laptop> and USB storage would likely be sata-emu
[5:01] <jm|laptop> so you're probably safe with /dev/mmcXpXxx
[5:01] <RITRedbeard> good luck I'm behind seven horcruxes
[5:01] <ccssnet> xakh: i seen a nanonote once, i couldnt get over how rediculas the key layout was. ever get used to it? did it ruin your normal typing?
[5:01] <jm|laptop> "horcruces"
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[5:02] <xakh> sorta, I have to admit. I mostly used it as a mobile quake machine, lol
[5:02] <ccssnet> lol
[5:02] <xakh> a heavily modified Quake 1 played on it, but only single player
[5:02] <RITRedbeard> horcruxi
[5:02] <ccssnet> ahh
[5:02] <xakh> also for nethack and other roguelikes
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[5:02] <xakh> but I busted the LCD on that by accident
[5:02] <jm|laptop> You see: a gelatinous blob
[5:02] <ccssnet> ive got an open pandora, and they key layout heavily relies on an fn key. :(
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[5:03] <xakh> I wanted one of those so bad
[5:03] <ccssnet> it hasnt ruined my typing yet but its slow to type on for cli stuff
[5:03] <ccssnet> and its really only thumb useable
[5:04] <jm|laptop> @ ^J ~ ^J | ^J whereis doublequotes?!
[5:04] <jm|laptop> s/^J/^H/
[5:04] <xakh> woo, the disk util on Ubuntu tells me the UUIDs on everything
[5:04] <jm|laptop> D BREAK cont REPEAT s
[5:05] <xakh> huh?
[5:05] <ccssnet> lost
[5:05] <jm|laptop> xakh: you could have used blkid
[5:05] <xakh> probably, but this works too
[5:05] <jm|laptop> *BUILD !BOOT
[5:07] <xakh> currently it looks like http://pastebin.com/ScvhJmCM
[5:07] <amelia_> Hm... how could I force my Pi to work at, say, 1336x768 instead of 1920x1080?
[5:07] <xakh> mine has a really weird resolution it's staying at actually
[5:08] <xakh> but I figured burn one bridge at a time
[5:08] <amelia_> xakh: disable overscan?
[5:09] <xakh> okay, my main partition is mmcblk0p2, secondary one is mmcblk0p4
[5:09] <jm|laptop> amelia_: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[5:09] <jm|laptop> xakh: your terminology makes my eyes itch
[5:10] <xakh> haha, sorry
[5:10] <xakh> I mean the one I want as / is the first and the one I want as /home is the second
[5:10] <GabrialDestruir_> hmm....
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[5:10] <jm|laptop> there are primary and extended partitions [usually] (based on crappy 1980s BIOS style layouts)
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder if my wireless issue is caused by a lack of enough power
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir_> o.o
[5:11] <jm|laptop> GabrialDestruir_: 3 x NiCd @ 1.2V does not 5V 1A make :)
[5:11] <xakh> they're both set as primary,
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[5:12] <xakh> I still don't get what the primary and extended bit means
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm running it through a USB battery charger... and the plug it's on is suppose to be a "supercharger" 1A I was assuming.
[5:12] <jm|laptop> SupahChargah
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[5:15] <xakh> also it's read only, so I have to be root to open the file, right?
[5:16] <amelia_> jm|laptop: I've tried changing it from no hdmi_mode set (so pushing default 1920x1080) to 720p50 and I'm missing a chunk of my boot screen :(
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm.... just did the config.txt thing and now my screens looking too big on the boot screen....
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[5:19] <xakh> jm|laptop: do I just set the UUIDs I want to use as / and /home, and then smooth sailing?
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Monitor settings says I'm 1280x720 but it's too big for my screen, yet I know my screen is HD .-.
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[5:31] <UnaClocker> Got my Pi. On my Pi. :)
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[5:35] <xakh> ok guys, gonna run off for now
[5:35] <xakh> thanks for the help
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[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> My Lego case was tainted!
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> With megablocks
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[6:48] <amelia_> :O
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[6:53] <BenO> Does anyone know what version of GLIBC is on the Arch install?
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[7:22] <Byan> I wonder what the chances of mpeg2 coming to RPI is
[7:22] <mjr> about epsilon until patents are abolished
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[7:22] <shirro> Byan: they aren't willing to pay the fee
[7:22] <BenO> Byan, officially, probably not at all
[7:23] <Byan> thats very sad..
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir_> I still think that with enough interesting they might do it as a codec pack... but who knows.
[7:23] <BenO> But... it's a linux system and you can build what you want. Who knows, someone might write a fast enough decoder for playback
[7:23] <Byan> no BenO
[7:23] <Byan> thats impossible
[7:23] <Byan> not for 1080p
[7:23] <Byan> maybe they can fix DVDs
[7:24] <shirro> maybe our government will change the standard for digital tv :-(
[7:24] <BenO> I wouldn't say impossible - the GPU core has yet to be fully described
[7:25] <Byan> and it will never be..
[7:25] <shirro> I don't think broadcom are in the business of letting people fully describe their products
[7:25] <Byan> there are higher chances of them releasing the mpeg2 codec than that BenO
[7:26] <shirro> i don't think companies like broadcom are set up to sell individual licences and the foundation isn't. So who would manage it
[7:26] <shirro> better just to get another device if you want mpeg2
[7:26] <mjr> also, they'd probably not trust the licenses to remain "individual"
[7:26] <BenO> yep
[7:27] <BenO> if mpeg2 is going to appear, it'll be from us, not broadcom
[7:27] <BenO> and obviously, without a licence... ;)
[7:28] <shirro> there is writing optimal code and there is performing miracles. I think full hd mpeg2 on a 700Mhz arm would fall into the second category.
[7:28] <Syliss> can it do mpeg4?
[7:28] <shirro> it does h264 and mpeg4 in its sleep
[7:28] <BenO> shirro, absolutely, but most sources of mpeg2 are dvd rips - much lower res
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[7:29] <haltdef> deinterlacing would be the thing that makes it unwatchable
[7:29] <Syliss> I'm fine with mpeg 4
[7:29] <shirro> BenO: unfortunately it is used for all television transmission here, including HD
[7:29] <mjr> haltdef, yeah, was about to comment on that
[7:29] <BenO> shirro, even HD? I thought that was h.264?
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[7:30] <shirro> Ben0: not in Australia ;-( Stupid government made mpeg2 the standard
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[7:30] <mjr> dvds aren't necessarily interlaced though, so it'd perhaps not be completely out of the question
[7:30] <Syliss> sucky
[7:30] <BenO> shirro, you have my sympathies!
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[7:30] <haltdef> mm, varies
[7:30] <mjr> yes, it does
[7:30] <Syliss> doesn't the usa do mpeg4?
[7:30] <Crenn-NAS> Whee! Just finished work!
[7:30] <haltdef> I can see 576p or 480p working, just
[7:31] <haltdef> git, I'm just headed off to work on 1.5hrs sleep
[7:31] <haltdef> thank god it's only a 4hr shift
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[7:31] <haltdef> in fact, I should test mpeg2
[7:32] * BenO shudders at the thought of HD mpeg2 filesizes...
[7:32] <haltdef> what media player should I be using on the pi?
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[7:32] <haltdef> BenO, no bigger than h.264
[7:32] <haltdef> broadcasters just bitrate starve
[7:32] <BenO> ew!
[7:32] <shirro> BenO: Yeah, my mythtv loves it :-( They compress the hell out of it though
[7:32] <haltdef> yea
[7:32] <Crenn-NAS> haltdef: It's 3:31PM here
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[7:33] <haltdef> got man flu :(
[7:33] <shirro> haltdef: don't mess around. call an ambulance
[7:33] <BenO> haltdef, man flu! How are you even out of bed!
[7:33] <Crenn-NAS> haltdef: How can you even
[7:34] <haltdef> stuff to do :(
[7:34] <haltdef> straight back into bed come 11am I think
[7:34] <Crenn-NAS> shirro, Hope he's not in Victoria then!
[7:34] <haltdef> couldn't sleep so played gta4 most of the night
[7:35] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: that is ok, they would lose the call so you would not have to face the bill
[7:35] <haltdef> pretty game with FXAA maxed out at 2560x1440
[7:35] <haltdef> also the new corsair H60 is nifty
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[7:35] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: That's what I mean, they won't come xD
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[7:43] <BenO> haltdef, good luck!
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[7:59] <GabrialDestruir_> apparently the proper install for chromium is chromium-browser
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[8:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Version 2 of my Lego Case is done.... it looks less crappy.
[8:18] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[8:23] <Gwayne> Very good
[8:23] <Gwayne> Now make it a lego robot
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[8:27] <GabrialDestruir_> lmao
[8:27] <GabrialDestruir_> A robot would be pretty bad ass.... it'd look a lot better than a bunch of lego bricks stuck together around it.
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[8:53] <Hourd> robot! \o/
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[8:54] <GabrialDestruir_> What is kworker, and why is it using up so much friggin CPU?
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[8:56] <ahven> "Kworker is what controls the ACPI wakeup signals from the BIOS."
[8:56] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
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[8:56] <GabrialDestruir_> this doesn't have a bios?
[8:56] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps/chapesses
[8:57] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I disable them? Cause they're annoying... and using a good portion of what little CPU the Pi has
[8:58] <ahven> kernel update seems to be one way
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> whats your Pi currently doing?
[8:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Nada...
[8:59] <GabrialDestruir_> cept running GUI and top
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> kworker ought to be idle then.
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[9:00] <GabrialDestruir_> but these kworkers are running between 20% and 30%
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> Debian, or something else?
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir_> debian, yea.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> Odd...
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[9:01] <gordonDrogon> not seeing it myself...
[9:02] <ahven> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1630347
[9:02] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder if the cause is something I installed.
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> not impossible...
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> what did you most recently install?
[9:04] <GabrialDestruir_> ralink firmware to try and get my wifi dongle working.
[9:04] <aditsu_with_pi> hi, is it possible to get a working web browser in Arch?
[9:04] <aditsu_with_pi> (a GUI one)
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[9:05] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, thats possible if it's trying to access something that's not there on the Pi..
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> aditsu_with_pi, doesn't it have midori or something?
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> googles suggesting acpi interrupts for kworker, but the Pi doesn't really have acpi ...
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> hey ho. breakfast time!
[9:07] <shirro> can we have sausages again?
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir_> Wait!
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir_> It's gone I think
[9:07] <aditsu_with_pi> gordonDrogon: midori segfaults
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[9:07] <GabrialDestruir_> It's my wifi dongle.
[9:08] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, how about kazehakase
[9:08] <GabrialDestruir_> With it plugged in they go crazy
[9:08] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: say whaat?
[9:08] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/20031201.html
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Yep.... the Pi really hates my linksys wifi dongle
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[9:09] <aditsu_with_pi> BenO: I don't think there an Arch package for it
[9:10] <shirro> you could try netsurf. I haven't had much luck with it though
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[9:12] <jardiamj> aditsu_with_pi, try netsurf
[9:12] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder how I'd go about making a set of custom Lego Bricks that I could use to interface with the Pi so I could get rid of all these gaps.
[9:13] <aditsu_with_pi> shirro, jardiamj: it can't find lcms, trying to fix it now
[9:14] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I go about changing keyboard configuration on debian?
[9:15] <GabrialDestruir_> I've tried the whole dpkg-reconfigure bit, but it doesn't seem to actually be doing anything.
[9:15] <aditsu_with_pi> shirro, jardiamj: oh I think it works now
[9:17] <jardiamj> GabrialDestruir_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[9:18] <aditsu_with_pi> not very well though
[9:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Only took half a dozen times before it did something.
[9:19] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[9:19] <jardiamj> at least it ended up doing something..
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[9:26] <GabrialDestruir_> There's something wrong with my screen... idk if it's the hdmi cord I'm using or what.... but white background moves .-.
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[9:33] <GabrialDestruir_> Yay... got sound, just fixed my keyboard config, and enabled ssh, my pi is almost usable xD
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[9:35] <jardiamj> Same [SLB] from the Udacity.com class?
[9:37] <- *jardiamj* is it out yet
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[9:43] <bootc> for those of you using my Wheezy RPi image: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/11/updated-raspberry-pi-wheezy-image/
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm.... might have to use a smaller resolution to be able to read anything xD
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir_> wheezy.... whater!
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir_> waiter*
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
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[9:45] <jardiamj> bootc, is there a Wheezy Rpi image?
[9:46] <bootc> jardiamj: yep
[9:46] <bootc> it's unofficial, and pretty minimal (on purpose)
[9:47] <jardiamj> minimal? what does it have? I might want to use that instead of the official Squeeze, I don't want a Desktop Environment
[9:48] <bootc> I describe it a bit more here: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/08/raspberry-pi/
[9:48] <bootc> basically what you get with debootstrap + ntp and no other frills
[9:49] <bootc> oh, and it includes my 3.2.16 kernel
[9:51] <jardiamj> I saw it... I just got my Rasp today
[9:51] <jardiamj> I'll git it a try, I actually use Debian Wheezy in my everyday laptop
[9:52] <jardiamj> it's pretty small, I downloaded it in no time...
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm.... forcing it into either 1080 mode causes it to be a few pixels bigger than my screen .-.
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[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> where's my soldering iron?
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[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah , false alarm.
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> you can all return to what you were doing
[9:57] <huene> soldering iron? wanna fry some pi? :)
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> a little
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> indirectly
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> remember what happend to danieldaniel (or whoever it was who solder blobbed his Pi!)
[10:00] <GabrialDestruir_> These things come with warranties? >.>
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[10:07] <jardiamj> GabrialDestruir_, apparently they do...
[10:07] <GabrialDestruir_> if you overclock it sets a permanent bit on the SoC thus voiding warranty
[10:07] <jardiamj> and mmm... fried pi[e], not healthy!
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> until you turn it on ;-)
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> not overclock, but overvolt.
[10:08] <jardiamj> gordonDrogon, lol
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I've been overclocking mine for a while now.
[10:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Ohs?
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> but I've not overvolted it.
[10:08] <GabrialDestruir_> oh right, it does say overvolt
[10:08] <GabrialDestruir_> misread xD
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> on Doms post in the forum...
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> mines running at 900MHz and 500MHz SDRAM.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[10:09] <jardiamj> does it make a difference?
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> a little.
[10:09] <jardiamj> I mean noticeable difference..
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> I did some benchmarks on it - they're faster, but for X windows use, very little difference.
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Maybe a 720 mode would work better on my tv
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[10:10] <gordonDrogon> what interface are you using - hdmi or compost?
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir_> HDMI
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> whats your TV rated at?
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir_> eh
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir_> no clue .-.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> what screen size does it come up as?
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir_> 1164xsomething by default
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir_> but that's surrounded by black.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> did we have this conversation last night? I remember chatting to someone about screen size..
[10:12] * gordonDrogon ponders...
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[10:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Via my receiver I can get 1080i
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir_> No 1080p though.... but the pi doesn't recognize those screen sizes by default
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir_> no clue why
[10:14] <GibbaTheHutt> I was sorting my screen size yesterday in here
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I think theres still work to be done there...
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> have you edited config.txt yet?
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> 1080i ought to have 1920 pixels across.
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir_> I tried forcing hdmi_mode 5 which gets it a lot closer
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir_> but it's still not displaying right.
[10:16] <GibbaTheHutt> have you set hdmi_group as well ?
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[10:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Not yet
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[10:16] <GibbaTheHutt> that was the key for me, I needed to be group 2
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't see an hdmi_group as part of the config.txt info on the wiki?
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> I only have a 4:3 monitor with DVI input - to make that work I need to disable_overscan=1
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir_> ohs
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir_> hdmi_drive
[10:17] <GibbaTheHutt> 2 secs, there's a post somewhere, I cant find my own ones though oO
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir_> 2 is hdmi mode
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> but when I tried my Pi on a TV last week via HDMI it didn't recognise it at all and I got the same resolution as composite video, and I had to leave overscan on.
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> however its crisp and clear at 1280x1024.
[10:18] <GibbaTheHutt> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/how-do-i-fix-screen-resolution-in-debian-squeeze/page-2?value=config.txt&type=1&include=1&search=1
[10:18] <GibbaTheHutt> hop to near end
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[10:18] <GibbaTheHutt> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/cea-vs-dmt-formats
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[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> added hdmi_drive=2 which should set it to hdmi mode.... I'll try group next and then maybe disabling overscan again.
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> It'll just be something I need to tweak til it's right. lol
[10:20] <GibbaTheHutt> the group should be set for the correct mode iyswim
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Does the pi not reboot on it's own?
[10:20] <GibbaTheHutt> mine was an amazing difference when I got it right, all the time I never realised there was a group 2
[10:20] <nid0> man, compiling php from source on a pi is gonna take forever :<
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> don't do it then ;-)
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm still not right. -waits for it to fully boot so I can edit some more-
[10:21] <nid0> no choice really, the armel package available for squeeze is ancient
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> ok. must admit, I usually compile php/apache/mysql myself for my servers...
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[10:22] <jardiamj> can't you do cross compiling
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> even under qemu on a decent desktop it'll be faster...
[10:24] <jardiamj> what about scratchbox?
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> probably faster...
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> the only thing I'm compiling now though is my BASIC - and that takes 85 seconds, so it's OK - for now!
[10:26] <jardiamj> i got to get some sleep.. good night!
[10:26] <GabrialDestruir_> disabling overscan didn't help -sighs-
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[10:27] <Hourd_Pi> morning
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> yes, it is!
[10:28] <zag> Morning
[10:28] <zag> can anyone help with this problem?
[10:28] <zag> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?686-Error-installing-Apache-on-Raspi
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[10:29] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm not seeing 1080i in group 2
[10:30] <GibbaTheHutt> what refresh rate ?
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> zag, sudo groupadd -f -g33 www-data
[10:30] <GabrialDestruir_> 60
[10:30] <jardiamj> you probably don't have the group www-data created
[10:30] <zag> thx will try
[10:30] <zag> its standard install on new raspberry image
[10:30] <GibbaTheHutt> GabrialDestruir_, and you are trying group 1 and mode 5 ?
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> the supplied debian is somewhat "creative" with its password and group files...
[10:31] <Hourd_Pi> i decided to try 3d on the pi last night...
[10:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea... and so far that hasn't work.... I've got overscan disabled right now....
[10:31] <GibbaTheHutt> tried mode 16 ?
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> zag, why post there rather than the official forums on the raspberrypi.org site?
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Nope, tv shouldn't support it anways.
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir_> at least according to my directv receiver
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[10:34] <zag> gordoandrogon, I hate the official site ;)
[10:34] <zag> btu might try thx
[10:34] <zag> but*
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[10:35] <GabrialDestruir_> okay gonna try and play with the overscan options
[10:36] <GabrialDestruir_> see if that'll straighten it out.
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[10:37] <hungryhorace> Hourd_Pi, how'd you get on with that 3d? I spent a good portion of yesterday evening getting annoyed by that same subject.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> zag the official site is somewaht suboptimal for sure, but they're working on new forums which will be live real soon now
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir_> That looks a bit better....
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> the issues with having multiple forums is that its simply too hard for everyone to check every forum. I know that I simply don't have the time to and others might be in the same boat.
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Now to fix the top and the bottom....
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> so what happens is you get a dilution of the avalable resources...
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[10:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Do I have to modprobe to get HDMI sound, every time?
[10:38] <Hourd_Pi> hungryhorace: well i have no idea how to do proper 3d on it. i noticed omxplayer has a 3d mode, but any help with that would be great :D i ended up showing my parents '3d' on the pi and they were amazed (i used side by side 3d)
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> sadly I watched this happen 10+ years ago in the scuba community in the UK - everyone moved from a good couple of mailing lists to usenet then to dozens of forums and it was just imposible to keep track of them all.
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I really need to learn sed
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> why?
[10:40] <hungryhorace> oh, 3D 3d. I was attempting GLES + SDL without much luck.
[10:40] <GabrialDestruir_> So I can do quick easy edits to files from commandline
[10:40] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> use nano ...
[10:40] <Hourd_Pi> hungryhorace: sorry i should have been more clear :)
[10:41] <Hourd_Pi> GabrialDestruir_: sed is god
[10:41] <BenO> hungryhorace, http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/ this help?
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir_> I need to make a pi power button that sits between the cord and the pi that allows for the quick on/off -nods-
[10:42] <mervaka_> switch off/on at the wall?
[10:42] <mervaka_> or, sudo reboot?
[10:42] <Hourd_Pi> my hub i power it from has a switch on it :P
[10:42] <hungryhorace> BenO, That's exactly what I found before I stopped last night. I shall be trying it soon.
[10:42] <GabrialDestruir_> reboot isn't working for me
[10:42] <GabrialDestruir_> not sure why
[10:43] <mervaka_> oh
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> make sure your hub doesn't also leak power over the usb up-lead into it..
[10:43] <Hourd_Pi> sudo shutdown -r 0?
[10:43] <BenO> hungryhorace, I'm also doing a simple python version too
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> sudo reboot
[10:43] <Hourd_Pi> gordonDrogon: yeah its cool
[10:43] <hungryhorace> Have been unsure how to get my input events without SDL, though. So I'd been trying for a combination.
[10:43] <GabrialDestruir_> idk.... after I reboot, I lose all picture until I unplug and replug
[10:44] <Hourd_Pi> gordonDrogon: also the pi isnt plugged into the hub, its more of a cord extension with a power switch
[10:44] <hungryhorace> BTW, BenO, having found that page on google I realised I went to school with you.
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[10:44] <BenO> hungryhorace, Ah hi :)
[10:45] <hungryhorace> Will email. Don't want to lose my enigma status on irc.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, I've manged to crash my Pi into that state..
[10:45] <BenO> heh :)
[10:45] <nid0> does anyone have any recommendations for a decent hub that's definitely properly pi compatible? I've got 2 here, turns out one leaks power over the usb upstream and the other causes the pi to not recognise its wifi adapter
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> then it needed a power cycle )-:
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> the one I'm using "leaks", but it's not a problem - LOGIK ...
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> and it has a 2A PSU.
[10:45] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm not sure what's going on, but after I reboot, it goes through the proper motions, but I never see it come back up.
[10:46] <mervaka> i get the feeling you probably wont be able to power it from a hub.
[10:46] <mervaka> at least not properly
[10:46] <GibbaTheHutt> GabrialDestruir_, sure it hasnt come up, but the display is off bottom of the screen ?
[10:46] <mervaka> usb spec limits power to 500mA
[10:46] <GabrialDestruir_> No reason you shouldn't be able to.
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[10:46] <mervaka> pi needs more
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Sure it hasn't come up
[10:47] <mervaka> chargers can deliver >500mA
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir_> has a "no signal screen most times
[10:47] <nid0> so can most hubs and a lot of pc usb buses
[10:47] <mervaka> well if they can, then great
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir_> There's no reason a powered hub shouldn't work.
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir_> power the pi with one, then plug it into the pi on the otherside and have it power all peripheals
[10:48] <mervaka> depends whether it has current limiting or not.
[10:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> if your hubn can only deliver 500ma / port then you can use 2 ports to proived the requierd amount -
[10:48] <mervaka> and how closely it follows the spec
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> I think the "trick" with hubs is to get a cheap hub that doesn't actually monitor the output power...
[10:49] <Hourd_Pi> ALL OF THE POWER!
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> So I'm powering the Pi from an usused port on the hub ...
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> you can see it here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> the short light-grey cable is the power one to the Pi.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> The "uplink" cable to the hub isn't that visible, but it's from the left of the Pi into the Hub.
[10:50] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: indeed
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> because the hub is "cheap" it leaks power down the uplink cable - which is enough to make the Pi run, but not to boot!
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Yeesh, how long have you had yours? o.O
[10:52] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, the tricky thing is you want a simplistic hub BT you want a decent PSU running said simplistic hub
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> something causes a big power spike during booting that knocks it out.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's a 2 amp PSU feeding the hub.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, 3 weeks tomorow :)
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so the Pi has been powered up for almost all that time now, although it is frequently rebooted!
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> it's been overclocked at 900MHz for over a week now too.
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir_> When did you order it? >.>
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> er... I "ordered it" on the Friday afternoon and it was delivered on the Saturday morning...
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I used that other online retailler of "stuff" called ebay..
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> bah
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> My Farnell one should be here in 2 weeks time.
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I ordered that at 6pm on the 29th of Feb.
[10:55] <GabrialDestruir_> heh I ordered mine 2 hours after it went on sale.... and somehow didn't get in the first batch.
[10:55] <nid0> about 1 hour 59 minutes late for the first batch
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> I goofed... thought they put 6pm on the forum posting...
[10:56] <Hourd_Pi> i managed to get my order in while the DDoS effect was still going crazy at like 06:30 and didnt get mine until this weekend just gone
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir_> The first batch didn't actually sell out in the time they thought it did....
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> it might have if their websites hadn't melted :)
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir_> After the site stopped dying, they took all the orders where someone was like.... "I BUY 600 of these!"
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> and reallocated them to people who ordered afterwards
[10:57] <plugwash> The impression I got is that the orders made in the first couple of hours with farnell got completely mixed up
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> doesn't surprise me.
[10:57] <plugwash> so it was more of a lottery than a queue
[10:58] <Hourd_Pi> yup
[10:58] <Hourd_Pi> thats the feeling i got as well
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I run a small hosting company and nothing surprises me now in the eCommerce world...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> you can get a little garage enterprise selling stuff - 2 or 3 a day, then sudently someone tweets something and it's melt-down time!
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[10:58] <zag> thx gd, the sudo command you wrote fixed apache problem :)
[10:58] <zag> what does it do?
[10:59] <zag> add permissions?
[10:59] <nid0> well, its more the middle management problem - these shops know theyre selling this stuff and they know its in demand but no-one tells their tech staff
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> it adds the group identity into the system.
[10:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea according to people in here, you had people who had ordered several hours later
[10:59] <GabrialDestruir_> with first batch dates
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> debian normally comes with the www-data user and group, but I suspect someone who built the debian images fiddled a little...
[10:59] <nid0> same thing last year with the hp touchpad firesale, a wandering ddos effect that killed every website selling them except amazon
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> yea, I almost bought one of those...
[11:00] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't think amazon had them on sale though....
[11:00] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
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[11:00] <nid0> they ended up dropping the price for people after theyd ordered them
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[11:00] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah....
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> that might be why they didn't get DDoS'd people were looking for the 99 price tag
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[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> almost have the overscan fixed for my screen.
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> do you knoe about the framebuffer_width and framebuffer_height parameters in config.txt ?
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> yea... not really sure what they do?
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> they set the width and height pixels...
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah.
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> but in overscan mode, debian will add on 32 to each direction.
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[11:11] <GabrialDestruir_> so if I set them to 1960x1080 or w/e it's suppose to be that'd change them to that?
[11:11] <Hourd_Pi> damn that debian
[11:11] <Hourd_Pi> :P
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[11:13] <GabrialDestruir_> I've been using overscan to try and fix the issue with my blackbars on everything.
[11:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Think I finally got it... but my resolution is probably still 1164 w/e not 1080 -sighs-
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[11:15] <Veryevil> hdmi_mode=16 disable_overscan=1 ?
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[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Nah.... that just leaves me with a too big screen.
[11:15] <Veryevil> what you connected to? is it 1080p?
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> currently I'm using the overscan_left/right/top/bottom
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> to adjust the screen
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> only 1080i
[11:16] <GabrialDestruir_> so it'd be mode 5 once I get it all setup right.
[11:16] <Veryevil> might be better running in 720p
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[11:18] <GabrialDestruir_> 1208x680 now.... lol
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[11:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Trying mode 4 since that's 720p see how that works.
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Yay! think I might be done ^_^
[11:21] <Hourd_Pi> woooo \o/
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[11:21] <amelia_> :)
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Now I can start focusing on all the other things I want/need to fix....
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[11:24] <GabrialDestruir_> like getting senergy to start everytime I run x-windows
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[11:28] <GabrialDestruir_> This may be an odd question....
[11:28] <GabrialDestruir_> but why isn't the sound over HDMI turned on natively?
[11:28] <fALSO> just if you play movies i think
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[11:29] <GabrialDestruir_> well there's a command that turns it on for everything as far as I know "sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835"
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir_> which leads to the question why isn't snd-bcm2835 loaded by default?
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[11:30] <fALSO> because it isnt working correctly
[11:30] <ShiftPlusOne> loads automatically here
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[11:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Also the white on my background in pi moves which is odd .-.
[11:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Just the white, nothing else that I can see looks like it's moving.
[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> using omxplayer?
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir_> No?
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[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> then?
[11:33] <Hourd_Pi> what player?
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir_> I mean the white in x-windows for the background
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir_> it all looks like it's moving
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like you're tripping a little.
[11:33] <Hourd_Pi> too much acid?
[11:34] <TonyMonteabag> broken screen
[11:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Something about the angle I'm sitting at and the way the white is being rendered
[11:34] <zag> so i've got apache installed now but I cant edit anything in /var/www as it says permissions denied, any idea how to fix?
[11:35] <mervaka> use sudo
[11:35] <GabrialDestruir_> If I stand up it doesn't look all funky.... so who knows
[11:35] <Hourd_Pi> add yourself to the group?
[11:35] <mervaka> or that :p
[11:35] <zag> how ;)
[11:35] <zag> im proper linux n00b sorry
[11:35] <Veryevil> you using the correct refresh rate?
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[11:35] <Hourd_Pi> np
[11:36] <nid0> zag, just add sudo to the start of anything you try to edit
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir_> 60, which is what my screen normally uses.... so I'm gonna go with yes.... lol
[11:36] <nid0> or useradd pi -g www-data
[11:36] <zag> I'm using the file explorer
[11:36] <zag> ahh ok thats better solution
[11:36] <Hourd_Pi> zag: sudo useradd -G group_name username
[11:36] <mervaka> careful about the case
[11:36] <zag> perfect, think i understand now
[11:37] <mervaka> -g and -G are VERY different
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> you need to be in apache group, I believe
[11:37] <TonyMonteabag> Whats the difference?
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> one overwrites, another adds
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I thikn
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> and you might need to logout & login again to reflect it in your user.
[11:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (think
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[11:37] <mervaka> -g overwrites your initial login group
[11:37] <Hourd_Pi> G adds if it does not exist i think
[11:37] <Hourd_Pi> ah yes
[11:37] <mervaka> -G adds to supplementary groups
[11:37] <TonyMonteabag> aaah
[11:38] <mervaka> which is what you want
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, use G and check the permissions
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ls -la /var/www
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[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you will see the user and group the files belong to...(I think it's apache or maybe www)
[11:39] <Hourd_Pi> www-data
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> debian uses www-data
[11:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[11:39] <Hourd_Pi> usually
[11:39] <mervaka> http://linuxcommand.org/
[11:39] <zag> yes www-data
[11:39] <zag> thats the groupname?
[11:40] <mervaka> something like codeacademy needs to be made for the linux command line :p
[11:40] <zag> sudo useradd -G www-data pi
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> looks right
[11:40] <mervaka> yep
[11:40] <Hourd_Pi> MattRich1rdson: i would love that
[11:40] <Hourd_Pi> mervaka: i would love that
[11:40] <Hourd_Pi> sorry MattRich1rdson
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> follow @climagic on twitter - often posts some hints & tips ..
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[11:41] <TonyMonteabag> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> you kind of learn linux by using it. It can be intimidating looking at what's possible, because you only really need a small subset, but seeing all the information makes it seem like you need to memorize all that.
[11:42] <mervaka> first steps are always the hardest though
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[11:42] <zag> it says "user pi already exists"
[11:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Mhm
[11:42] <zag> but i still have no permissions to /var/www
[11:42] <GabrialDestruir_> seeing every command in linux ever
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir_> it's like ZOMG stay away from me!
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir_> But once you start using and learning it, it's not so bad.
[11:43] <Hourd_Pi> zag: sudo useradd -G www-data pi
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what he used
[11:44] <mervaka> failing that, sudo nano /etc/group
[11:44] <mervaka> and edit it manually :p
[11:44] <nid0> usermod* not useradd
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[11:44] <Hourd_Pi> oh yeah sorry
[11:44] <Hourd_Pi> my mistake
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> usermod userid -G group
[11:44] <nid0> sudo usermod -G www-data pi
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> damn
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> too slow
[11:44] <zag> doesnt work
[11:45] <mervaka> -a -G isnt it?
[11:45] <zag> still no permissions
[11:45] <Hourd_Pi> "sudo usermod -a -G www-data pi"
[11:45] <mervaka> yeah
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir_> trying to build pianobar....
[11:45] <nid0> what user/group is your /var/www/ owned by?
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> do you need to log out and back in?
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir_> it's not working so well xD
[11:46] <Hourd_Pi> ShiftPlusOne: shoudlnt need to
[11:46] <zag> root i think
[11:46] <zag> thats what ls -la /var/www shows
[11:46] <Hourd_Pi> zag "ls -la /var/www"
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe pastebein the output of that command
[11:46] <TonyMonteabag> sudo usermod -G www-data pi --- worked for me, just tried it
[11:46] <zag> ok thx will try it
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> both usermod and ls.
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> and just 'groups'
[11:47] <nid0> it works, but its not going to help him if his /var/www is owned by root not www-data
[11:47] <Hourd_Pi> zag: the contents of /var/w should have something like "drwxrwxr-x 8 www-data root"
[11:47] <Hourd_Pi> zag: where www-data is the group and root is the owner
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> nid0, the group should have read/write permissions, doesn't matter if it's owned by root
[11:48] <GabrialDestruir_> -sighs- something I'm just not use to doing.... like updating apt after adding sources.
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Hourd, isn't it user first then group?
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> 4 drwxr-x--- 4 root games 4096 Mar 14 15:20 games
[11:49] <zag> [10:45] <TonyMonteabag> sudo usermod -G www-data pi --- worked for me, just tried it <--didnt work for me :(
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, user then root
[11:49] <nid0> zag, didnt work in what way
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> *user then root
[11:49] <nid0> user then group*
[11:49] <zag> still no permissions when i try to save a file in /var/www
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, what do you get when you type 'groups' ?
[11:49] <Hourd_Pi> ShiftPlusOne: well i just did it on my www directory and thats what i got... and there isnt a www-data user?
[11:49] <Hourd_Pi> oh there is, i'm being stupid
[11:50] <TonyMonteabag> zag: did you log out and back in again?
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[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Hourd, hmm =/ so then it's not a group thing!
[11:50] <Hourd_Pi> dammit i think its time for a cup of tea
[11:50] <mervaka> zag: ls -la /var/www
[11:50] <zag> @shiftplus1 I get a list of groups
[11:50] <mervaka> and paste the result to pastebin
[11:50] <zag> how do you copy/paste from terminal?
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I think we've solved it... the permissions are www-data:root rather than root:www-data
[11:51] <mervaka> i just noticed that my /var/www folder itself doesnt belong to root:www-data, but root:root
[11:51] <nid0> zag you'll need to do a sudo chown root:www-data /var/www
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> -R
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe not
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, better not
[11:52] <mervaka> ShiftPlusOne: if it's yet to be used, no harm in doing so
[11:52] <nid0> there should only be a default index file in there, can either chown or just sudo rm it
[11:52] <mervaka> sudo: gets shit done.
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[11:52] <Hourd_Pi> "sudo bash" go wild
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> mervaka, language! >=/ (I am filling in for Reggie)
[11:52] <Hourd_Pi> ;)
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[11:52] <mervaka> oh yeah, sorry
[11:53] <zag> <nid0> zag you'll need to do a sudo chown root:www-data /var/www <--nope didnt work either :(
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> sudo -i
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[11:53] <nid0> "didnt work" how
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[11:53] <zag> tried to create a file in there and permissions denied
[11:53] <mervaka> are you running apache, or something like lighttpd?
[11:54] <zag> do i need to log off and on?
[11:54] <mervaka> out of interest
[11:54] <zag> apache
[11:54] <TonyMonteabag> Personally, I would have just made a new virtual host in apache to serve your website from a folder you already control :D
[11:54] <nid0> oh
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> zag you need to logout/in again if youve changed the group for your user.
[11:54] <nid0> the /var/www folder is set to only grant user write by default
[11:54] <mervaka> ah
[11:54] <nid0> zag youll also need a sudo chmod 775 /var/www
[11:54] <mervaka> chmod time
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[11:54] <zag> cool thx
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[11:56] <Hourd_Pi> chmod all the things! \o/
[11:56] <Hourd_Pi> damn where is that tea
[11:56] <mervaka> sudo rm -rf /
[11:56] <TonyMonteabag> :/
[11:56] <TonyMonteabag> Dont run that
[11:56] <mervaka> dont do that really :)
[11:56] <Hourd_Pi> dont forget --no-preserve-root
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, learn about permissions. You can have a mix of read,write and execute permissions on each file. Each of these can apply to the owner, the group and other. You can view those permissions and figure out exactly what you need to do and why things don't work. Understanding this concept it important.
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> *is
[11:56] <mervaka> yeah
[11:57] <mervaka> also, how execute flags work with folders is also important
[11:57] <Hourd_Pi> permissions is vital in linux, as everything is a file
[11:57] <zag> argh still not working :(
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> execute flags on folders?
[11:57] <mervaka> yeah
[11:57] <zag> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?689-Guide-Building-a-webserver-on-the-Raspberry-Pii&p=4781#post4781
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> never occured to me that's a thing... what does it do?
[11:57] <zag> thats what i've done so far
[11:57] <zag> still get permission denied even after logging off and on again
[11:57] <mervaka> whether you can view contents or not
[11:57] <TonyMonteabag> You need execute on a folder to be able to look inside it
[11:57] <GabrialDestruir_> what's the command to do a stack trace?
[11:57] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
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[11:58] <nid0> zag do an ls -al on /var/www
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> mervaka, ah ok, thanks.
[11:58] * ShiftPlusOne goes to test execute flags on folders
[11:58] <mervaka> with permission 6, you can blindly read/write
[11:58] <mervaka> inside the folder
[11:58] <mervaka> but you cant snoop
[11:59] <Hourd_Pi> mervaka: i think all systems should have 6 on everything
[11:59] <Hourd_Pi> makes things more fun ;)
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir_> oh ffs....
[11:59] <mervaka> god no :p
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir_> this is annoying xD
[11:59] <zag> Is there no way to change permissions in file explorer? (yes yes I know im a simple windows user :))
[12:00] <mervaka> yes
[12:00] <mervaka> in properties
[12:00] <GabrialDestruir_> Right click > Properties
[12:00] <GabrialDestruir_> Just like in windows :p
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah.... but you'll have to run it as root
[12:00] * zag thinks thats easier
[12:00] <mervaka> but only stuff you own
[12:00] <mervaka> what ShiftPlusOne said.
[12:00] <Davespice> gentlemen... question to do with gcc and configure... (if anyone can spare a moment)
[12:00] <nid0> you cant use file explorer to edit /var/www
[12:00] <mervaka> nah
[12:00] <mervaka> once you get used to command line, you'll never look back.
[12:01] <mervaka> nid0: gksu nautilus
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, is it a hard question....?
[12:01] <zag> setting permissions with dos is something i did 20 years ago lol
[12:01] <mervaka> this isnt dos
[12:01] <TonyMonteabag> If you want it to "just work", sudo chmod -R -v 777 /var/www
[12:01] <mervaka> TonyMonteabag: bad move
[12:01] <zag> :)
[12:01] <shirro> dos was single user. you could hide a file or make it readonly. hardly permisions
[12:02] <Davespice> I need to disable inline optimisations, I know --enable-debug=3 does this, but this produces a massive executable file... is there a way to disable in line optimisations but do the build in release mode
[12:02] <mervaka> :p
[12:02] <nid0> fwiw zag i've got apache/php running on my pi as well and I just duplicated the full set of instructions given to you to get the pi user able to write to /var/www and it works fine
[12:02] <zag> thx nid0, maybe i need to restart the whole machine, will try that
[12:02] <nid0> you dont
[12:02] <mervaka> i'm running lighttpd on mine. only needs to serve up html and images
[12:02] <zag> i logged off using startx button, maybe that didnt log off properly
[12:02] <ngilles> Davespice: get -fno-inline (or something like that) passed in the to the compiler
[12:02] <mervaka> though it also uses rsync to upload to a remote apache server
[12:03] <mervaka> via sftp
[12:03] <mervaka> http://mervaka.co.uk/~mervaka/.powertrack/
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, might be worth asking in #gcc or #gnu or #linux or ##c++ ... something like that.
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir_> The program is catching itself in a loop
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir_> this sucks -.-
[12:03] <Davespice> okay cool
[12:04] <Davespice> this is to do with open ttd, here is the back story if you're interested; http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=59671
[12:04] <ngilles> Davespice: and they will tell you, -fno-inline ;-)
[12:04] <Davespice> we have an issue which we think is to do with 64 bit integers
[12:04] <Davespice> ngilles: cheers, I'll give it a try :)
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[12:05] <zag> SUCCESS!
[12:05] <mervaka> :)
[12:05] <zag> reboot fixed it
[12:05] <mervaka> cool
[12:05] <zag> must not have logged off properly
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no clue where to start looking for this friggin program loop in pianobar
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[12:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, heh... that problem was from ages ago O_o
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Good to see you've worked it out =D
[12:07] <Davespice> yeah I know... I've had time away from looking at the problem doing other stuff
[12:07] * Hourd_Pi has decided his Pi needs a game
[12:07] <Davespice> but this issue is I can fix that one place in the code which causes the bug, but there are then unknown other places where similar inline maths could also be going wrong
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> What... kind of game?
[12:07] <Hourd_Pi> openttd should do :P
[12:07] * drazyl has decided his game needs a Pi
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> I suppose it'd be easier to fix whatever was breaking pianobar if I actually understood the language....
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> eh?
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[12:08] <jaakkos> i've been playing duke nukem 3d :)
[12:08] <ngilles> Davespice: but if you correct the inline function, the compiler will put the fixed version everywhere too, no ?
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[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> duke nukem on pi?
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
[12:09] <Davespice> yes... this is what I am hoping ngilles
[12:09] <ngilles> on the other hand if it's a compiler bug or a system header bug, then better fix that!
[12:09] <Davespice> is -fno-inline passed to configure or make?
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[12:11] <jaakkos> GabrialDestruir_: eduke32 (linux port of the original engine) runs fine with the software rasterizer
[12:12] <ngilles> Davespice: it has to be passed to the compiler
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[12:12] <Davespice> to gcc itself then?
[12:13] <ngilles> yup
[12:13] <Davespice> I take it that means I have to edit the makefile?
[12:13] <ngilles> but I guess you can pass it through configure by specififying your own cflags
[12:13] <GabrialDestruir_> What's a command to pull up usermanagement of some sort?
[12:13] <ngilles> CFLAGS="-g -02 -fno-inline" ./configure
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[12:14] <LazyLausi> Hello
[12:14] <Davespice> ngilles: thank you so much for this old chap... okay what does the -g and -02 do?
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[12:15] <Davespice> I wonder if I need it also on CXXFLAGS too
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[12:16] <Holden> Davespice, hmm, I am fairly sure it's '-O2', not '-02'
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[12:18] <ngilles> Davespice: ah yes, if it's C++ CXXFLAGS is the one you'll want
[12:19] <ngilles> -g = includes "debug" symbol info, -O2 = optimizer "level 2"
[12:20] <ngilles> note that -g doesn't impact performace, shouldn't be scared of the word debug here
[12:20] <Davespice> yeah I just don't want it to produce a massive file...
[12:21] <Davespice> for the executable
[12:21] <zag> thanks for all your help guys
[12:21] <zag> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/phpinfo.jpg
[12:21] <zag> SUCCESS :)
[12:21] <zag> now for mysql :p
[12:22] <nid0> sudo apt-get install mysql-server php5-mysql
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[12:22] <nid0> and you're sorted
[12:23] <Davespice> ngilles: okay I am doing a build now, I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you for the help!
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[12:26] <zag> is there anything special i need to do to install phpmyadmin?
[12:26] <zag> or does it come with the mysql install?
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[12:27] <nid0> phpmyadmin is just a php script, download it, extract it to /var/www/ then configure it if thats where you want it
[12:29] <zag> k
[12:32] <Hourd_Pi> lol X forwarded openttd from ym Pi at home to my work machine
[12:33] <mervaka> painful ;/
[12:33] <Hourd_Pi> its funny
[12:34] <mervaka> haven't tried X on my pi yet. i need to figure out a way of dding the SD card while leaving it running
[12:34] <Hourd_Pi> oh?
[12:34] <mervaka> i need to preserve the current image.
[12:34] <mervaka> i might just take it out tbh. much easier
[12:34] <mervaka> lol
[12:34] <Hourd_Pi> lol
[12:35] <mervaka> bit of downtime won't really hurt.
[12:35] <Hourd_Pi> ;)
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[12:40] <zag> is there a good command line text editor?
[12:40] <zag> I've seen gedit mentioned for other distros, is that any good?
[12:40] <Hourd_Pi> vim
[12:40] <Hourd_Pi> :P
[12:40] <ngilles> vim
[12:40] <bjorn`> Nano if you just want to edit like a nonpro, vim if you want to put some effort into learning to edit properly and effectively
[12:40] <ngilles> zag: gedit isn't command line
[12:40] <Hourd_Pi> ed ;)
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[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, Nano is a good enough command line editor that's intuitive to use. Then there are vim and emacs which are incredibly powerful editors (and many other things), but have a crazy learning curve. If you're in command line, nano will do. If you prefer a more graphical interface and you use X, then gedit or geany will do. I really like geany.
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[12:48] <zag> argh ive got the same permissions problem for /etc/mysql/my.conf
[12:48] <zag> thx im using leafpad now
[12:49] <dmsuse> nano is the best
[12:49] <nid0> you dont need to alter any permissions while editing my.conf as you shouldnt need to touch it regularly, just use sudo to make the changes you want
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, when editing files in /etc/ you'll generally want to sudo, it's not a good idea to change permissions.
[12:49] <zag> got an example?
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> so, sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.conf
[12:49] <nid0> sudo nano /etc/my.cnf
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> -w
[12:50] <zag> awesome, so that runs nano with super user permissions?
[12:50] <nid0> yeah
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, sudo ANYTHING, will run ANYTHING as root.
[12:50] <zag> got it
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[12:53] <zag> great that worked
[12:53] <zag> oldschool editor lol
[12:54] <Hourd_Pi> VIM!
[12:54] <Hourd_Pi> lol
[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> and yet it's only starting to become legitimate in the eyes of the masses.
[12:54] <Hourd_Pi> what is?
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> nano
[12:55] <zag> love it "write out"
[12:55] <zag> err dont you mean "save"
[12:55] <zag> :)
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[12:55] <Hourd_Pi> well it is writing out...
[12:55] <Hourd_Pi> :)
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl-x is a bit quicker
[12:56] <Hourd_Pi> :wq
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[12:56] <Hourd_Pi> ;)
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't it <SHIFT>+; wq <ENTER> ... a whole 2 extra keypresses.
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[13:03] <Hourd_Pi> or <F5>
[13:04] <zag> us there a way to launch leafpad with sudo?
[13:04] <zag> is*
[13:04] <ShiftPlusOne> .... sudo leafpad
[13:04] <zag> ha logic :)
[13:04] <Hourd_Pi> :P
[13:09] <mervaka> sudo -s is handy too
[13:11] <zag> SUCCESS! x3 :)
[13:11] <zag> phpmyadmin now working aas well
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[13:12] <zag> hurray, i now have a lamp server fully setup
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[13:12] <nid0> your next fun step is to compile a current version of php from source, as the packaged version in the repo is ancient
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[13:16] <zag> haha yeh might leave that for another day ;)
[13:16] <zag> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?689-Guide-Building-a-webserver-on-the-Raspberry-Pii
[13:16] <zag> full writeup ^^
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[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like a good forum (compared to the official one)
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> not many people, but the layout doesn't make you want to stab anything
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[13:22] <zag> yeh thats the idea
[13:23] <zag> Just going to keep writing guides, hopefully get more regular users
[13:23] <zag> had 150 people sign up when the official forums went down for a few days ;)
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[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> so.... sabotage is the way to go then
[13:24] <zag> lol now i have an online raspberry pi, could be a good ddos tool :p
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: been benchmarking Ruby's usage of the gpio binary, probably not the best way to go??? but it works!
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[13:25] <mervaka> zag: ping -f -w0 127.0.0.1
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, good idea to never paste command blindly by the way.... with linux it's really easy to screw yourself over with a seemingly innocent command.
[13:25] <mervaka> er
[13:26] <mervaka> -W0
[13:26] <mervaka> no wait, it was right the first time
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> neither are right >=/
[13:27] <mervaka> :/
[13:27] <mervaka> forgot to sudo
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> >=\
[13:27] <zag> the machine is quite slow as a web server, but its certainly usable
[13:27] <zag> Could be useful for our school kids to host stuff on
[13:28] <mervaka> zag: apache and mysql are pretty bulky by nature
[13:28] <zag> and learn about webservers in the process
[13:28] * gordonDrogon waves
[13:28] <zag> lightftpd better?
[13:28] <mervaka> you could try lighttpd, but i'm not sure how far it supports things like php
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, neat!
[13:28] <zag> oops i mean httpd
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, you shouldn't use apache or mysql on pi. You may get away with mysql with some optimization though.
[13:28] <nid0> if you want a lighter webserver you'd be better with lighthttpd or nginx
[13:29] <zag> what about the db server?
[13:29] <mervaka> not tried nginx :o
[13:29] <nid0> lamp does work fine on a pi though
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[13:29] <gartenzwerg> I'm using lighttpd, it supports PHP with CGI, just Google for installation manuals
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[13:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I might have to summon some C programming knowledge and add a readall function to gpio
[13:29] <mervaka> zag: maybe you could host the db externally?
[13:29] <zag> yeh i have it on my windows machine, just want to teach this to kids somehow
[13:29] <nid0> you could always use sqlite
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> vim: write & quit: ZZ
[13:29] <dmsuse> lighthttpd is awesome, much better than apache
[13:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Reading 1 pin via it, 100 times ~1 second. It scales up linearly with the number of pins so 13 pins is 13sec
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, yea, adding a 'bulk read' shouldn't be hard.
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[13:30] <gartenzwerg> would be interesting to test the RPi with a lighttpd installation with Apache "ab", I guess it would be pretty fast
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[13:31] <dmsuse> bbc ?
[13:31] <jm|laptop> dmsuse: I'm wont to agree but "better" is a little vague
[13:31] <nid0> it all depends on what kind of workload you'll be putting through it though really if its literally just a learning/demo platform then apache/php/mysql are perfectly fine, just dont be expecting to use it as a production server for magento.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, if you know what your reading, it's easy to just add in a custom command to it too..
[13:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: It'll eliminate some of the overhead of spooling up the binary for every read, anyway, I'm going to give it a shot
[13:31] <dmsuse> jm|laptop: i guess you have never run a website with hundreds of users
[13:31] <jm|laptop> dmsuse: I was agreeing with you ....
[13:32] <mervaka> chill kids..
[13:32] <mervaka> brb
[13:32] <dmsuse> jm|laptop: yeah but not quite enough lol
[13:32] <jm|laptop> :)
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[13:33] <TonyMonteabag> nginx > apache on memory useage
[13:33] <TonyMonteabag> For small machines its ideal :]
[13:33] <Matt> morn
[13:34] <dmsuse> hey
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[13:37] <fALSO> uhuhuh
[13:37] <fALSO> bbc.co.uk
[13:38] <Matt> what about it?
[13:39] <fALSO> weird to see here someone with that hostname :)
[13:39] <dmsuse> they probably came in to claim some tv licence money
[13:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: sloppy readall function added :D
[13:39] <fALSO> LOL
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, that's the way :)
[13:41] <drazyl> Gadgetoid_Air - shouldn't you extend select() and poll() to work on individual pins :)
[13:41] * gordonDrogon chuckles
[13:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pfft, individual pins :D read all the things!
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting concept though - you can re-program the pins to generate edge detected interrupts, so in a device driver you can wait on the interrupt and resume a select to the user (I imagine)
[13:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> drazyl: I'm doing sloppy hacktacular nonsense with gordonDrogon's lovely gpio binary and ruby popen()
[13:43] <drazyl> I'll have to take your word for it until I have a Pi
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[13:49] <dmsuse> i cant waiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttt
[13:49] <dmsuse> im going to do home automation
[13:50] <dmsuse> turn on lights via a web page, heating, radio :P everything
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: There is a video on that:
[13:50] <dmsuse> oh cool, where at?
[13:51] * SpeedEvil fails to find it.
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> It was the Simpsons - clip of the house getting up on two massive legs, running down the street before tripping and exploding in a ball of flame.
[13:52] <dmsuse> ummm... okay...
[13:52] <dmsuse> i'll just have to not give my house legs i guess :(
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> If anyone is interested, those bluetooth mini keyboards with a little touchpad on the side work great on pi. Might be handy as an xbmc remote or for simple gaming.... horrible for typing though.
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[13:54] <mervaka> can I ban that word from here?
[13:54] <mervaka> XMBC
[13:54] <Gadget-Mac> ShiftPlusOne: like this one http://linitx.com/product/13061 ?
[13:54] <drazyl> it's not a word, it seems to be a random collection of letters
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> mervaka, nope, you can't ban anything on here.
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadget-Mac, the one I have is similar, but not the exact one.
[13:55] <mervaka> I got disappointed when the marketing hype caused lots of people to jump on the queue thinking they're getting a cheap HTPC..
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> marketing hype? works great here
[13:56] <Hexxeh> why on earth would Engadget post about a firmware update tool...
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> are you complaining or bragging?
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Or a clever combination of both
[13:57] <mervaka> me? complaining
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, Hexxeh
[13:57] <mervaka> ah
[13:57] <Hexxeh> confused mostly
[13:57] <BenO> Hexxeh, because they wish to clobber your site? ;)
[13:57] <Hexxeh> they have done before now
[13:57] <Hexxeh> back in 2009 when I hosted everything out of my bedroom, the first I knew that I'd been Engadget'd was when my internet just died
[13:58] <Hexxeh> my puny 1.3mbit upload got slammed :P
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[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> that sounds like a good thing!
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[13:58] <deam> hi
[13:58] <drazyl> hi
[13:58] <deam> just received my Pi today, total excitement :D
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[13:58] <drazyl> cool
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[13:59] <deam> has anyone managed to use interrupts on the GPIO pins?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> turned it on yet, deam ?
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> hah - you just got it and you immediately want to know about interrupts :)
[14:00] <deam> gordonDrogon: yep sure :-) At first I had a wrong sd card (wrong voltage) but after I got the right one I got it to work
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the peoples doing the I2C and SPI drivers have gotten interrupts from it, but I don't know of anyone who's generating interrupts from the other GPIO pins.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> you'll really need to write a kernel-level device driver to capture them.
[14:01] <deam> gordonDrogon: I see, I found one forum post about interrupts, and that it probably needs a kernel driver. Not looking to re-invent the wheel, but if no one has done it yet I'll do it..
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> good luck. not sure many people will have a use for it though. it's a bit specialist.
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> there's lots of stuff/prople doing simple read/writes to the GPIO pins though. (myself included)
[14:03] <deam> basiscally I want to create a raspberry PI interface to the RFM12B RF transceiver. I prefer to have it interrupt driver but that requires signaling on a seperate I/O pin.
[14:03] <Matt> gordonDrogon: like blinking an LED? :)
[14:03] <deam> * basically
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> lots of blinky LEDs!
[14:04] <deam> I also need SPI, I noticed someone already wrote a SPI driver.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> get your blinky LEDs here... penny a blink ... http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> Hm. They're not blinking..
[14:04] <deam> hah
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg well that's got some of them on :)
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[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> you call that a mess?
[14:05] <deam> gordonDrogon: what are you building?
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> deam, not building anything, just playing.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> writing software and having fun.
[14:06] <deam> Maybe I should start with the hello world of electronics on this one too..
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> might have a go at putting it on a robot base, but I'll probablyt get an arduino to do the actual control side of it.
[14:07] <deam> nice jumper cables you have there
[14:07] <deam> female "header" on one side, and "male" on the other side?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> yea, I splashed out!
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[14:08] <deam> where did you buy those?
[14:08] <deam> ^^
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I got his baseboard with a breadboard and 2 packs of those wires: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
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[14:10] <deam> nice
[14:10] <deam> only got standard jumper wires here.. hmm
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it's a nice setup, but I have to remove the Pi to get access to the composite video - not normally an issue for me, but I have to use it for a demo tonight...
[14:11] <mervaka> i have a very short section of 1200 pair telephone cable
[14:11] <mervaka> split the armour open
[14:11] <mervaka> voila, breadboard cable
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I started by taking an old floppy disk cable and stripping it back and tinning the individual wires...
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> so I used the IDC connector to plug in.
[14:11] <deam> ah
[14:11] <deam> nice idea
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> fiddly and error prone, but it worked for a demo for me.
[14:11] <mervaka> yeah
[14:12] <mervaka> i wanna find some solid core ribbon cable
[14:12] <mervaka> and a properly sized IDC connector
[14:12] <deam> but heck, where do I find my ribbon cables.. too many boxes :P
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> an old floppy drive cable :)
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> I actually soldered pins and heatshrink to the ends...
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> right. time to do some baking now. New Exeter LUG starting tonight & I'm baking a cake to take along with my Pi :)
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Is it raspberry based?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> nah - they're not in season!
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> coffee & walnut cake...
[14:21] <deam> SpeedEvil: are you from Norway?
[14:21] <Matt> baking a cake?
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[14:21] <SpeedEvil> deam: No.
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[14:21] <deam> SpeedEvil: ok, different speedevil then :)
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[14:22] <chris_99> has anyone got a clue what this problem could be http://pastebin.com/XaCNqnqh
[14:22] <chris_99> the kernel is panic'ing i think
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> yea, cake. I do baking as well as computer geekery :)
[14:23] <tzarc> chris_99: just how many things have you plugged in via usb?
[14:23] <zag> anyone overclocked the thing yet?
[14:23] <chris_99> tzarc just the keyboard and the mouse
[14:23] <tzarc> drop the mouse and try again
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[14:23] <tzarc> some people have had issues with too many things going on
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> and I bake sourdough bread too: http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[14:24] <chris_99> the error looks to do with the ethernet though
[14:24] <des2> Yes zag some have overclocked it
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[14:24] <shirro> chris_99: which kernel build is it? when did you get it?
[14:24] <chris_99> i just got it yesterday, its the debian image
[14:24] <shirro> ok, so it is the latest
[14:25] <chris_99> yup
[14:25] <shirro> what were you doing? big network transfer?
[14:25] <chris_99> it seems to happen when i'm using bittorrent
[14:25] <chris_99> only 500K/s
[14:25] <chris_99> so nothing extravagant
[14:25] <shirro> what sort of storage? usb drive or sd card?
[14:25] <chris_99> sd card
[14:25] <shirro> lots of bittorrent connections?
[14:26] <FrankBuss> chris_99: out of memory error in the kernel from kmalloc. the reason could be fragmented memory and invalid use of kmalloc. I had this problem once when developing drivers, too, because I used too big kmalloc sizes and it couldn't allocate continuous blocks, because of fragmented memory. solution: the driver should use vmalloc, if it doesn't need DMA memory
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[14:27] <chris_99> FrankBuss, where's it say out of memory error?
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[14:27] <FrankBuss> "page allocation failure"
[14:27] <gurgalof> soon i will get my pi
[14:28] <shirro> chris_99: if you look in /etc/sysctl.conf what is vm.min_free_kbytes set to?
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[14:28] <chris_99> this seems very related https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/664477
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[14:30] <chris_99> vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192
[14:30] <shirro> chris_99: quite likely. I was going to suggest turning turbo mode of in cmdline and increasing vm.min_free_kbytes
[14:30] <shirro> as you can see in that report the workaround is to set vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288
[14:31] <chris_99> yeah
[14:31] <chris_99> i'll give that a shot and report back later :)
[14:31] <chris_99> time for lunch first
[14:31] <shirro> and the other thing you can do is edit /boot/cmdline.txt and add smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
[14:31] <chris_99> aha ok :)
[14:32] <shirro> it will probably decrease performance. I think is more of a workaround than a fix
[14:32] <Davespice> does anyone here know what the chances are of getting GCC 4.6 for the Raspberry Pi? :)
[14:32] <tzarc> well raspbian has 4.7
[14:32] <tzarc> *shrug*
[14:32] <Davespice> ah, really?
[14:32] <shirro> Davespice: depending on the distro you can probably get 4.4 through to 4.7
[14:32] <tzarc> yep
[14:33] <Davespice> is raspbian available?
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[14:33] <shirro> Davespice: available nut not complete
[14:33] <Davespice> I am using the Debian build just now
[14:33] <Davespice> 19th of April one
[14:33] <tzarc> if you're happy with non-X, then it's fine
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[14:33] <tzarc> been using it for a couple of weeks now
[14:34] <shirro> if you stick with the core of lxde it should be ok
[14:34] <Davespice> oh I see... I might give it a go, where can I get it from?
[14:34] <DaQatz> Nah lets use KDE4!
[14:35] <DaQatz> With full effects.
[14:35] <shirro> Davespice: you can install a chroot with debootstrap or grab an prebuilt image hexxeh put together
[14:35] <tzarc> DIY is probably quicker, tbh
[14:36] <tzarc> writing to SD card takes aaaaages compared to an rsync from a chroot'able directory
[14:36] <tzarc> plus you can keep a master copy if you screw things up
[14:36] <Davespice> shirro: thanks
[14:36] <shirro> http://elinux.org/Raspbian
[14:38] <shirro> I tend to use mount --bind to add proc. dev or whatever filesystems I want to share with the chroot. Not sure if that is how other people do it.
[14:38] <tzarc> wrote a chroot wrapper for exactly the same thing
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[14:39] <shirro> tzarc: yeah, I have a script I run to do it all
[14:39] <Davespice> shirro: is there an img file I can download? or does it need to be upgraded from the existing Debian distro?
[14:39] <tzarc> make scripts for EVERYTHING! :P
[14:39] <shirro> a chroot isn't an upgrade. it is a filesystem within your filesystem.
[14:40] <shirro> when you have finished with it you can delete it and nothing is harmed
[14:40] <Davespice> oh I see
[14:40] <Davespice> so is that how it needs to be done? you can't run it nativly?
[14:40] <shirro> or you can get an image if you have another sd card lying about. not sure where it lives. is mentioned in the forums somewhewre
[14:41] <Davespice> right o, cool
[14:41] <tzarc> you build the chroot on another system, then transfer to SD to boot
[14:41] <shirro> Davespice: you can run it in a chroot to test it and see if it works. then if it is ok, you copy it to its own filesystem. Or you can even start off with the chroot on its own partition.
[14:41] <tzarc> now to work out why my cross-compiler has broken the kernel build
[14:41] <tzarc> ugh
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> tzarc, getting a blank screen?
[14:42] <tzarc> nope, I moved some files around and now it can't find the sysroot
[14:42] <tzarc> might just rebuild it
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't sound like a cross-compiler problem
[14:43] <tzarc> nah, it's PEBKAC :)
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[14:43] <tzarc> I reorganised my dev area and this was a result nothing more
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[14:52] <tzarc> aaaaaand compiling again
[14:52] <tzarc> what was this about a blank screen?
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[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I get that sometimes.... I then try to use Image instead of zImage and that usually works
[14:54] <tzarc> ah ok, my kernel build script always grabs Image anyway
[14:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it's kind of strange since most changes I make are trivial and shouldn't break anything.... but go figure.
[14:54] <tzarc> *nod*
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I've had times when Image didn't work either... haven't figured out what's up with that yet
[14:55] <tzarc> fair enough... did anyone else have any luck applying the changesets to a newer kernel?
[14:56] <tzarc> I remember Simon- was doing some work to that end, but I've not been able to keep track
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[14:56] <tzarc> too tied up at work to play with pi :(
[14:57] <deam> is the source and build configuration of the Raspberry PI kernel available somewhere? I wonder whether BCM_GPIO_USE_IRQ has been set or unset?
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[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> deam, source, yeah. You'll have to get the config from /proc/config.gz
[14:58] <tzarc> I used bcmrpi_defconfig, then modded it
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I find it easier to work from whatever changes the arch people made... less chances of screwing anything up, while still keeping all the good stuff. >.>
[14:59] <tzarc> :P
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[15:00] <FrankBuss> tzarc: is this the config with all the debug options enabled? if you don't do kernel development, maybe better to use bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig
[15:00] <tzarc> the plan is kernel dev, yes :)
[15:00] <tzarc> just gotta find the time
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> deam, I am not seeing BCM_GPIO_USE_IRQ anywhere
[15:02] <FrankBuss> yeah, same here, too much contract work, but I hope I can finish the I2C hardware driver this weekend
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[15:02] <deam> ShiftPlusOne: well it's in this file: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-patches/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708_gpio.c
[15:02] <deam> note the ifdef, so I wonder whether it has been set by default
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[15:03] <ShiftPlusOne> am I missing something? "#define BCM_GPIO_USE_IRQ 0"
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[15:03] <deam> ah d'oh
[15:04] <deam> so bummer, it's disabled by default
[15:05] <deam> I wonder why they did that
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[15:06] <FrankBuss> looks like it is not just disabled, but irq_enable and irq_disable are just stubs, not implemented
[15:07] <FrankBuss> but should be easy to implement it :-)
[15:07] <deam> hmm not for me :P
[15:07] <deam> but I'm always up for a challenge
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I think I may have a boot selector whipped up over the weekend. =D
[15:08] <FrankBuss> would be interesting to see some interrupt handling code, I'll need it for my I2C driver later
[15:09] <Davespice> gents, I've just been looking at the OpenELEC build for the Pi here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/distributions/openelec-xbmc-on-raspberry-pi
[15:09] <tzarc> wheee, recompiling geany
[15:09] <deam> FrankBuss: I need it for a SPI based device..
[15:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder what would happen if I jumpered GPIO0 to GPIO1???. no??? really
[15:10] <Davespice> but I am not sure what to do with the download... extact it somewhere and run ./INSTALL or what?
[15:10] <Davespice> any ideas?
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/241-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-1
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> but you're probably up to here http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, ^
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[15:10] <Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: I am not reading through 36 pages of forum...
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[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, what?
[15:11] <tzarc> gotta start somewhere.
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> there's no 36 pages of forum.... there are 5 commands to cut and paste
[15:13] <Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: sorry I thought you were linking me to a 36 page long forum post on the Raspberry Pi forums which is about it all, and more to do with people trying and failing to compile it
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[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, nope, just the link so you can try and fail for yourself
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I havent had trouble though, it all just worked for me
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[15:14] <Davespice> okay cool, if its working for other people I should expect I can get it working too
[15:14] <FrankBuss> deam: have you seen this spi driver: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/i-wrote-a-spi-driver-now-what/page-3#p73509 ? but looks like it is implemented with blocking waits
[15:15] <deam> FrankBuss: yep I have seen that one, it looks suboptimal for my use
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, building your own is kind of essential, since it's being developed very actively, so there are important patches every day.
[15:16] <Davespice> okay cool, I just fancy trying it out to see what its like, I am not going to become an end user of the software
[15:16] <Davespice> perhaps I might when it gets to a stable release state though <shrug>
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> I just grabbed some random stuff from the shelves at maplin and lit an LED with gpio write 1 1, wheee!
[15:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have no idea what I'm doing...
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[15:27] <Hourd_Pi> woooooooo
[15:28] <Hourd_Pi> might actually put my Pi into my robot tonight
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[15:31] <ReggieUK> anyone any good with electronics and audio?
[15:32] <ReggieUK> cos I was looking up the whole i2s thing last night
[15:32] <ReggieUK> and I found a couple of ICs on ebay that might do the trick
[15:32] <ReggieUK> but not sure what they'd need in the way of a support circuit
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[15:33] <drazyl> you need wires and stuff
[15:33] <jzu> uh, _that_ kind of electronics :-)
[15:33] <ReggieUK> *slow hand clap*
[15:33] <FrankBuss> Gadgetoid_Air: I hope you have added a resistor in parallel, it could destroy your RPi, if you attach LEDs to the GPIO without drivers or without high resistors (1 k at least)
[15:34] <drazyl> and a soldiering ron or summat
[15:34] <ReggieUK> FrankBuss, more likely to destroy the led isn't it?
[15:34] <FrankBuss> ReggieUK: I know a bit about electronics, but usually there are application notes in the datasheet which shows how to use the IC
[15:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> FrankBuss: my resisters are a little on the low side, 820 is the highest I had in the crazy grab bag
[15:34] <FrankBuss> no, the RPi would limit the current, but over some time it could destroy it
[15:34] <ReggieUK> yeah, I know a bit about electronics just not sure about these particular ICs
[15:35] <Hexxeh> at last, VirtualBox has been fixed for Mountain Lion
[15:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> What generally happens if the 3.3v line is connected directly to a GPIO pin? presumably BADSPLOSION?
[15:35] <ReggieUK> well, that would depend on how much current the led draws and whether the rpi pins and the led have matching voltages, if the led never draws more than the rpi pin can give and is a match on voltage then the pi will never limit anything and will be totally safe :)
[15:36] <ReggieUK> but if the rpi voltage is 5v and the led is 3v then without a resistor it will pop
[15:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also, obligatory dumb question??? could I just wire an additional resister in series?
[15:36] <FrankBuss> yes
[15:36] <ReggieUK> anything over 200-300ohms will probably be OK
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[15:36] <Gadget-Mac> Lo FrankBuss
[15:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fortunately the rpi is, by design, inexpensive to replace
[15:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> So when I blow it up in my attempts to connect a megadrive controller :D
[15:38] <FrankBuss> ReggieUK: the characterstics curve of LEDs makes it very unsafe to supply it with a constant voltage without current limitation
[15:39] <FrankBuss> Gadgetoid_Air: you can connect the 3.3V line to a GPIO pin, if it is configured as input, but if you want to sense a button, better just enable a pull-up on the GPIO and connect the GPIO to GND with the button
[15:39] <Hourd_Pi> Gadgetoid_Air: cheap to replace, but do you have time to wait 6 months for one? ;)
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[15:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hourd_Pi: There is that??? yes
[15:39] <Hourd_Pi> hehe
[15:39] <Hourd_Pi> so atm, the Rpi may as well be worth hundreds
[15:40] <hevauq> hi guys, can a USB port power a board of type B?
[15:40] <mjr> hevauq, if it provides only strictly standard power, no
[15:40] <aditsu_with_pi> hevauq: yes it can, but if you connect more than just a keyboard, it might run into problems
[15:40] <mjr> usb3 ports might do, if it gives full power without negotiation. High-power/charger USB ports should do.
[15:41] <hevauq> mjr: i have a iMac at work and dell laptop. not sure if iMac is USB3
[15:42] <mjr> well, it might be high-powered anyway to facilitate ipad charging or whatnot ;]
[15:42] <hevauq> dell is old, so i am inclined to think it's not USB 3
[15:42] <mjr> the mac, that is
[15:42] <aditsu_with_pi> both companies made computers 10 years ago and still make computers today
[15:42] <zag> anyone know how to enable ssh on the raspi?
[15:43] <hevauq> only thing which i am concerned is that connecting it to USB should not damage the board
[15:43] <aditsu_with_pi> hevauq: oh you were talking about your own dell, ok
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[15:43] <mjr> but, don't count on getting enough power from those computers. USB2 maximum is 500mA, Pi B needs 700mA (and more if you want to power even low-power USB devices off it)
[15:43] <aditsu_with_pi> zag: it was running by default on my pi
[15:43] <hevauq> i have seen boards get damaged very quickly if the powersupply is wrong.
[15:43] <Hourd_Pi> aditsu_with_pi: wasnt on mine
[15:44] <FrankBuss> zag: if you are using the Debian image: "sudo mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc" and then reboot
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[15:45] <hevauq> the red light.
[15:45] <mjr> it's unlikely the pi would be damaged, as the issue would be too _little_ power
[15:45] <hevauq> ah, thanks
[15:45] <IT_Sean> you need 700ma for the raspi B
[15:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just successfully read "up" from the megadrive controller, shinies
[15:45] <aditsu_with_pi> in fact I couldn't connect a monitor on the first day, so I accessed it directly over ssh
[15:45] <IT_Sean> more than a standard USB port on a PC supplies
[15:45] <hevauq> i got red light, is that what is indicator of power up?
[15:46] <tzarc> and raspbian chroot updated
[15:46] <tzarc> win
[15:46] <tzarc> rsync is a wondrous thing
[15:47] <zag> thx frank
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[15:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wheee!
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[15:51] <Hourd_Pi> Wheee!?
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[15:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Using a kludge of Ruby and gordonDrogon's gpio binary to poll the GPIO pins is??? err??? a kludge
[15:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> But, damn the code is simple!
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> I have an Rpi B, will it not power from a standard USB port then?
[15:55] <nid0> it depends on your pc
[15:55] <Hourd_Pi> probably not
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> I've not tried it yet due to waiting on a HDMI cable, doh
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> What are you supposed to use then
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> :/
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> Why give it a USB connector if USB doesnt work
[15:55] <TonyMonteabag> lol
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> On most PCs, if you connect it to a motherboard port, it will work juist fine
[15:56] <nid0> people keep banging on about the usb spec limiting pc ports to 5 units but most motherboard buses essentially ignore that
[15:56] <TonyMonteabag> oh right
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> It will probably not work on an unpowered hub, or perhaps not on a recent laptop
[15:56] <Hourd_Pi> TonyMonteabag: because most things get power via micro usb these days as a 'standardised' connector
[15:56] <TonyMonteabag> what about an iphone wall charger thing but with a micro usb lead in instead of a iphone lead?
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> TonyMonteabag: fine
[15:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> TonyMonteabag: that works for me
[15:56] <TonyMonteabag> Shazam!
[15:56] <TonyMonteabag> Awesome, cool, thanks
[15:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> I use an iPad wall charger, for extra bang
[15:56] <nid0> most phone wall chargers with a microusb port will be fine
[15:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Actually, most of the time I use a nokia n900 charger
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> whoops, the ground wire just fell out of my megadrive controller and rebooted the pi
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[15:59] <Hourd_Pi> ...
[15:59] <Hourd_Pi> sounds....fun
[15:59] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_Air: you've got an old megadrive controller connected to the Pi? cool! =)
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hacktacular!
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[15:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Davespice: Yeah, had the down button lighting up a led??? just hooking up the rest of it now
[16:00] <Davespice> is that via gpio I take it?
[16:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aye
[16:00] <Davespice> awesome
[16:00] <Davespice> NES controller has to be done actually... I've got a few of those in my loft
[16:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've got a couple of SNES ones I might try next, depending on how simple they are
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[16:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> The megadrive controller is dumb as a rock
[16:01] <TonyMonteabag> Can you wire a megadrive game cart directly into the R Pi? then use it to download the game into an emulator?
[16:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> TonyMonteabag: not sure there are enough pins, but as the Retrode has proven; theoretically yes
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[16:01] <TonyMonteabag> Could potentially realise my childhood dream of having a SNES and a megadrive ina single console
[16:01] <TonyMonteabag> :P
[16:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Retrode reads SNES and Megadrive carts out of the box
[16:02] * gordonDrogon waves
[16:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm using my gold brick retrode to weigh down the Megadrive controller lead, haha!
[16:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahoy gordonDrogon
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> that's me!
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> are we having fun yet?
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[16:03] <FrankBuss> ReggieUK: I've found a TLV320AIC23BIPWR in my parts bin, would be interesting to try it. is an I2S driver already implemented?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I think there are 1 or 2 - search the forums for them...
[16:04] <hevauq> the pi's power connector is not really miniUSB? only connector which fits is Motorola one.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> microUSB.
[16:04] <TonyMonteabag> micro != mini
[16:04] * IT_Sean catches up on the trouble tickets heh hasn't enetered into the system for the past 4 days
[16:04] * IT_Sean sighs
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> customers, eh? ;-)
[16:04] <hevauq> oh, micro != mini. got it
[16:04] <tzarc> IT FTW!
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[16:04] <IT_Sean> ?
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[16:05] <IT_Sean> yeah, customers.
[16:05] <tzarc> sadly, I run linux at work, so I gotta fix my own shit
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[16:05] <IT_Sean> I've been lazy and not entering my handwritten notes into the system as i should. Need to catch up before we close out the week
[16:05] <tzarc> which is fortuitous, because IT support is in india and it took them 3 hours to get one of the windows machines conencted to the domain
[16:06] <tzarc> aaaaaaaaaaanyways, back to script cleanup
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> tzarc, sadly? That's a bonus!
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[16:07] * IT_Sean is IT support and is not in India.
[16:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Riiight, two LEDs hooked up, and two inputs from the controller??? time to make stuff do things!
[16:07] * IT_Sean gives tzarc a dirty look
[16:07] <tzarc> oh, that wasn't me complaining :)
[16:07] <tzarc> heheh
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> Go, Gadgetoid_Air, Go!
[16:07] <tzarc> seriously though, I wish we had better IT support, the ones we have are useless
[16:08] <Hexxeh> great to see X drivers progressing
[16:09] <zag> yeh needs the x driver for sure
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, X? New? Where :)
[16:09] <hevauq> anyone recommends a good power supply( inexpensive) i can get for this thing?
[16:09] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/so-whos-workingworked-on-an-xorg-server/page-4
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[16:09] <Hexxeh> not available yet, but progressing well by the sounds of it
[16:09] <hevauq> any shop in London?
[16:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> I feel I should be writing this stuff directly in C :D
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, looks ok... Hope there is something that might help SDL go a bit quicker...
[16:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although seeing my linux process IDs spiral up into the tens of thousands is quite funny
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Want to try BASIC, Gadgetoid_Air ?
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[16:10] <Hourd_Pi> BASIC \o/
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Return to BASIC :)
[16:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: What is this fabled BASIC, of which you speak? How compares it to BASIC of yore and old?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Or RTB as I call it!
[16:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> I started in BASIC on the C64, haha
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> See some example programs at http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> They're the .rtb files.
[16:11] <zag> is there a quick way to take screenshots on debian? I cant even find a paint program to paste the to
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> I use GIMP, but it's not a terribly efficient way to do it...
[16:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> polling the GPIO pins in Ruby is going to be horrible until I can figure out how to turn your wiringPi into a working module
[16:12] <zag> yeh gimp too slow for me
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> on pi, you don't want to use gimp
[16:12] <tzarc> pleaste tell me that doesn't stand for realtime basic
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> RTB = Return To BASIC.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> not realtime, sorry.
[16:12] <tzarc> phew
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> however it can access the Pis GPIO pins...
[16:12] <tzarc> had me worried for a second there :P
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, I'd install imagemagick and use the 'import' command
[16:13] <mjr> gordonDrogon, son you disappoint
[16:13] <DaQatz> Gadgetoid_Air, I think a lot of us started with C64 basic.
[16:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> The trouble with BASIC is that it's always shouting
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:14] <DaQatz> Amiga C, Now that was interesting.
[16:14] <tzarc> I started with C on MacOS *shrug*
[16:14] <tzarc> metrowerks codewarrior, now that was a slow ide
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I started with visual basic on win 3.1 ='(
[16:15] * ShiftPlusOne ducks
[16:15] * tzarc shrugs
[16:15] * DaQatz shrugs, have to start somewhere.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> I started with BASIC on an HP desktop system and via 110 baud dialup on a TTY33 to the local computer centre.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Then Apple II's...
[16:15] <fALSO> heheh
[16:15] <fALSO> zx spectrum 48k here
[16:15] <DaQatz> What you use first depends a lot on WHEN you started.
[16:15] <fALSO> basic
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> My school had the first Apple II's in the region.
[16:16] <tzarc> nowadays I use soviet-era C++ at work
[16:16] <tzarc> as in, hacked up class-like wrappers around C "objects"
[16:16] <tzarc> with "design patterns" bolted on over that
[16:16] * tzarc facepalms at the lack of design
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> When I went to uny, we did pascal, fortral, cobol, and other assemblers (I'd been doing 6502 up to then), but I "found" the PDP11 hidden away and learned C on that.
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> dammit... can't get kexec to work
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, ping?
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> I'd also done some programming in a language called Imp ...
[16:17] <jzu> gordonDrogon: when, indeed, and I began with Fortran IV on a Univac 1110 with Hollerith punch-cards...
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> an algol-like block/functional language.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> jzu neat :)
[16:18] <jzu> around 1981
[16:18] <tzarc> I'm one of those whippersnappers who had it easy with modern computers :P
[16:18] <DaQatz> I was Hmm 2?
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> jzu IV in '81? That surprises me ...
[16:18] <tzarc> although I had most fun doing asm on AVR's, tbh
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> The HP/Apple thing was 78 for me. I was 16...
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[16:19] <jzu> I think we upgraded to F 77 one year later
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[16:20] <jzu> I think I know a language called imp, dedicated to OLAP
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_IMP
[16:22] <jzu> not that one
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I liked Imp. There's a little nod to it in my BASIC.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> all loops are bounded by the same construct: cycle... repeat
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> for i = 1 to 10 cycle
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> do something
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> repeat
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> while i > 4 cycle
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> ...
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> repeat
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> etc.
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[16:26] <ReggieUK> I did cobol in my early 20s
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> hope you've recovered now.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I've posted this photo a few times... http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> no-one has commented on something in the background....
[16:28] <tzarc> you really need to vacuum.
[16:28] <ReggieUK> cobol for students?
[16:28] * tzarc grins.
[16:28] * gordonDrogon Hrrrrmmmmmm...
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> and the prize goes to ReggieUK !
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[16:29] <Matt> a friend of mine pointed me at http://thelettervsixtim.es/ yesterday
[16:29] <Matt> and I am now cursing him for it :)
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, have you by any chance had luck with kexec or kexecboot?
[16:31] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: nope
[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, attempted?
[16:31] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: but i think bootc had a quick look at it
[16:31] <Hexxeh> i did, but it just froze up for me
[16:31] <Hexxeh> and i don't have the hardware to debug it via serial
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[16:31] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's what I am getting with kexec.
[16:31] <bootc> Hexxeh: looks like possibly a VCore bug, but not sure
[16:31] <zag> how do you actually take the screenshot with the keyboard? prt scr key doesnt work like in windows
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[16:32] <bootc> moved on to other things now... SPI driver right now :-)
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Tried vmlinux, zimage, image, kernel.img... all seem to hang
[16:32] <Hexxeh> bootc: i'd imagine the fact that the GPU starts the ARM makes it a bit more complex
[16:32] <Hexxeh> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, bootc posted a log from the serial port, gets stuck pretty early on with bcm2708 specific stuff
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> is there any way to debug and see what actually happens?
[16:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[16:33] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: if you use my 3.2.16 kernel it has early printk support that actually works
[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[16:34] <BenO> zag, I'm not sure what utilities come with LXDE for screenshots - LXDE is the desktop manager and should handle that sort of thing
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> where could I find that log?
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> just curious
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[16:35] <BenO> zag, http://wiki.lxde.org/en/How_to_make_screenshots
[16:36] <zag> thx, was getting nowhere with google
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[16:36] <zag> tip: dont search for "x screenshots" at work :)
[16:36] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: sorry, my pastebing from the other day expired
[16:36] <bootc> -g
[16:36] <BenO> zag, no problem - the key is that the window manager/desktop environment should handle that sort of thing
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ah damn
[16:36] <BenO> zag, on Windows, there is only one
[16:37] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, do you think it's something that someone will be able to work about?
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[16:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I think kexec is kind of really important here.
[16:37] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: it's not really something I'll be looking at, sorry
[16:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, fair enough
[16:37] <BenO> zag, on linux, there are dozens :) LXDE being one of them.
[16:38] <zag> wow nothing in linux is easy
[16:38] <bootc> I expect it'll need knowledge of the VideoCore to work out how to shut it down nicely before the kexec
[16:38] <bootc> at least, shut it down enough that it doesn't collapse when you boot the new kernel :-)
[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, it's not that anything is hard... it's that there are many options, so you may get conflicting answers... you'll get to know what you're comfortable with and it will all be a lot less confusing
[16:39] <BenO> zag, with linux, you are given choice and in a minimal desktop like LXDE, you have to make a choice before you use it :)
[16:39] <zag> would "scrot" be the best bet then?
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[16:39] <BenO> It's a shame that the LXDE setup hasn't been sorted out then - something to do screenshots should be OOTB
[16:40] <BenO> zag, sounds like it :)
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> well there's no best bet.... there's what works for you.
[16:40] <zag> yeh this kind of thing really should be already setup
[16:40] <zag> i cant see our kids setting all this up
[16:41] <zag> basic troubleshooting of programs needs screenshots in our clases
[16:41] <zag> classes*
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> it it was pre-setup, people might complain about lack of choice... there are too many ways to do something ...
[16:41] <bootc> zag: you do realise it's a development release, right?
[16:41] <BenO> zag, I don't think the image is in a very user friendly state at the moment, but it's a dev release atm
[16:41] <zag> sure ;) but I've got 5 kids moaning at me to set this all up :p
[16:41] <drazyl> teh poneyz are not included yet
[16:41] <BenO> For the ponies!
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, just give it to the kids and let them figure it out
[16:42] <zag> hehe yeh that might be better
[16:42] <gurgalof> yey, my raspberry pi just arrived
[16:42] <BenO> Yay - GLSL ftw :) (Progress + found another bug)
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/How_to_make_screenshots
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, other than what you posted on your blog, is there anything else extra to working with gles on pi?
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> in easy terms: sudo apt-get install scrot
[16:43] <drazyl> gordonDrogon is there a screenshot of that?
[16:43] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, I've got the python side all shiny and working :)
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> then press PrtScr
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> drazyl, er... probably, but easier to just look at it with a web browser :)
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, nice
[16:45] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, I've made a shim to let you run http://glsl.heroku.com/ shaders too :)
[16:45] <BenO> Many of them don't work (OOM errors :() but a number do
[16:46] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, http://glsl.heroku.com/e#2451.0 is my current fav on the Pi
[16:47] <zag> cool got GIMP 2.6 running as well. Took 1min+ to load... ouch
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, gimp is like linux's photoshop... and raspberry pi is like a mobile phone.
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure you can see the problem
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[16:49] <nid0> the pi's actually more like a pretty weaksauce mobile phone from a couple of years ago, the fact it can load gimp at all is pretty good
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, I am not even going to pretend to know what that does. >.>
[16:50] <hevauq> can USB port be used as serial port? like connecting by kermit or minicom?
[16:50] <mjr> hevauq, not without an USB to serial dongle
[16:51] <drazyl> technically usb is a serial port, but I guess you mean rs232
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> you can get uart/ttl working with a fairly cheap cable
[16:51] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, Doing funky things with the video core and shaders :)
[16:52] <hevauq> so, the USB ports are just for peripherals?
[16:52] <zag> ok last question for today, whats the easiest way to share a file to my windows desktop?
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, I like winscp
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[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> (install that on windows)
[16:53] <zag> I have putty working already, same thing?
[16:53] <mjr> hevauq, what else would it be for?
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/scr2.png
[16:53] <zag> ooo thats a good idea, might just copy the file to the webserver :)
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> zag, putty is just to get a terminal. winscp is a lot simpler
[16:54] <zag> cool thx
[16:54] <nid0> putty would work, but winscp's easier if you're looking for a straightforward option
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, webserver will work too... that's how I used to do it before I discovered winscp
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> brb checking cakes.
[16:54] <zag> linux 1 day lesson is complete
[16:54] <zag> was a total n00b this morning
[16:54] <zag> :)
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> you're doing well
[16:55] <mjr> putty has pscp (cli, yes)
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[16:57] <dmsuse> zag: wutcha learn?
[16:58] <Matt> winscp is probably my prefered windows scp/sftp client
[16:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Finally got my head 'round SWIG and successfully compiled wiringPi into a working ruby module
[16:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ruby needs to run as root to access /dev/mem though
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, great - but yea, that's the down-side for now.
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[17:02] * BenO is getting ~1fps from the Pi for this one ;) http://glsl.heroku.com/e#2361.0
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> I get WebGL is not supported...
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[17:03] <fALSO> of course not
[17:04] <zag> today I learnt how to install a webserver, how to change permissions on a folder, how to use SUDO, how to take screenshots and how to setup a database :)
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[17:04] <BenO> gordonDrogon, no, but the meat of it is the same - runs fine for me, albeit much slower than my desktop :)
[17:05] <shirro> BenO: Have you got any raymarching ones running? I got a few shaders running from shadertoy and started on some from glsl.heroku but I started to run into problems.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> doesn't run on my desktop either...
[17:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: It doesn't half explode if I forget to call wiringPiSetup :D
[17:05] <BenO> shirro, I'm hitting a lot of OOM errors with those
[17:05] * gordonDrogon runs from the OOM
[17:05] <shirro> BenO: How do you get the error status?
[17:06] <BenO> glGetError
[17:06] <BenO> The shader and program also have their own methods for getting the error back
[17:07] <zag> ooo winSCP is great
[17:07] <shirro> I wish it was easier to debug shaders. it is frustrating when nothing happens and you can't see why
[17:07] <BenO> shirro -> glGetShaderInfoLog
[17:08] <BenO> Also glGetShaderiv ( shader, GL_COMPILE_STATUS, &compiled) ); if compiled == 0, then you have a problem
[17:08] <shirro> I use that to check for compile errors. it is the ones that compile and don't work as expected that annoy me
[17:09] <BenO> Ah :)
[17:09] <Mr_Rpi> hi... whats the default password for debian root user?
[17:09] <BenO> Mr_Rpi, sudo passwd root
[17:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: But my read 100 times benchmark has gone from 1 second to 0.0019 seconds
[17:09] <BenO> and set it to what you like
[17:09] <Mr_Rpi> all try
[17:10] <Mr_Rpi> nope
[17:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> So I can live with running as root for performance's sake
[17:10] <Mr_Rpi> I changed the source.list from squeeze to testing
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[17:10] <Mr_Rpi> suse, raspberry doesnt work
[17:10] <Mr_Rpi> nither does root
[17:11] <Hexxeh> that's an interesting thought
[17:11] <Hexxeh> i didn't consider creating a softfp wheezy image
[17:11] <shirro> BenO: It is pretty cool to have a full hd shader like these going at say 20fps (a lot of them struggle on framerate) and ssh in and see 0.3% cpu used :-)
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, and a lot less load on the CPU too..
[17:12] <BenO> shirro, Yeah, it's pretty nice :)
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[17:12] <DaQatz> heh
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[17:13] <Mr_Rpi> answer pi is not in the sudoers file?
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[17:15] <Hourd> Pi is magic
[17:15] <BenO> shirro, Just crippled my Pi with http://glsl.heroku.com/e#2292.0 - got stuck during linking :(
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[17:17] <Mr_Rpi> no one knows the default password for root privileges?
[17:17] <shirro> I have had my Pi lock up several times in last day. Don't know why. Haven't been using network or usb storage at the time
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, there is no root password initially, but you can set one, just do sudo -i to get to root
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[17:18] <shirro> BenO: Heh! See what you mean. that might be a bit ambitious for the Pi
[17:18] <Mr_Rpi> yeah but doing so i get the answer pi is not in the sudoers file
[17:18] <Mr_Rpi> or sudoers
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[17:19] <gordonDrogon> is this a new install of Debian?
[17:19] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: pong?
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[17:19] <Mr_Rpi> its an upgrade from squeeze release to testing
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, ah.
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, I presume you could sudo before the upgrade?
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[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, you're the one who compiled a fare metal 'kernel' that blinked leds, yeah?
[17:20] <chris_99> has anyone noticed that omxplayer overlays in front of the desktop, with the desktop still showing if the video isn't full HD
[17:21] <BenO> chris_99, That's how it works
[17:21] <Mr_Rpi> probebly ... but i didnt.. :(
[17:21] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: yeah.. with lots of help of others though :)
[17:21] <Mr_Rpi> and the upgrade took hours
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, you must have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ...
[17:21] <BenO> chris_99, It doesn't work as part of the desktop
[17:21] <chris_99> BenO, is there a way to hide the desktop
[17:21] <Hourd> chris_99: desktop? :P
[17:21] <Mr_Rpi> that I did
[17:21] <BenO> chris_99, You can run omxplayer from the commandline as well - no need to 'startx'
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, would you happen to have a compiled version around somewhere?
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, I'd suggest shutting it down and putting the SD card in another Linux box, mounting it and changing /etc/shadow directly.
[17:22] <chris_99> oh i didn't realise that BenO
[17:22] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: I can build one real quick
[17:22] <BenO> chris_99, as for hiding it, I don't know - omxplayer should really do that part
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, or editing /etc/sudoers
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[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, that would be great.... unless you have the source somewhere online and the build is trivial.
[17:22] <Mr_Rpi> dont have another linux right now
[17:23] <chris_99> BenO, yeah the only idea ive had so far is to make an application display black before running omxplayer
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, your quite possibly screwed then...
[17:23] <Mr_Rpi> lovely
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Mr_Rpi, what's the problem?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> he did an upgrade to testing and in the process lost the sudoers file...
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> so he now can't get to root...
[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> can't he just 'su'
[17:24] <Mr_Rpi> ShiftPlusOne: I upgraded my squeeze to testing and now I dont know the root password, and it says Pi is not in the sudoers file
[17:24] <BenO> chris_99, I don't have omxplayer so I can try this myself - does 'omxplayer --help' or 'man omxplayer' do anything?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> can you do that with no root password?
[17:24] <BenO> (ie give you info)
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[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Mr_Rpi, tried init=/bin/bash?
[17:25] <Mr_Rpi> hm... I did
[17:25] <Mr_Rpi> never tried that
[17:25] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/boot/platform/raspberrypi_arm/gpio.cpp gpio code
[17:25] <chris_99> BenO, it doesn't give any info on fullscreen
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> he'd need root to edit the /boot/cmdline.txt ?
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[17:25] <BenO> chris_99, Shame... no rescale options, that sort of thing?
[17:26] <ShiftPlusOne> would he?
[17:26] <Mr_Rpi> nothing happend
[17:26] <chris_99> nope, BenO
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 124 Apr 25 20:43 cmdline.txt
[17:26] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: http://pub.haikungfu.net/kernel.img
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> ah, but he can edit that in a windows PC...
[17:26] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, excellent, thank you.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Rpi, got a windows PC handy with SD reader?
[17:26] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: all that will do is flip on the OK led
[17:26] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: right now i'm trying to get the uarts working still
[17:26] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, what more do you need!?
[17:26] <kallisti5> lol
[17:26] <Mr_Rpi> yes I could... what are to be writen there?
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I want the kernel to flip OFF the OK Led when it halts...
[17:27] <kallisti5> it also supports loading a kernel from the be or fat filesystem... but without serial output it's kind of useless ^_^
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, I want to see what kexec will do with it... it fails to boot a proper kernel, so I am just curious about that one.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> you need to APPEND init=/bin/bash to the line that's there.
[17:27] <zag> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?153-Tips-Tricks-and-Guides <--- all the guides we've written today. Enjoy any raspberry n00bs :)
[17:27] <Mr_Rpi> ok.. ill do it
[17:28] <Mr_Rpi> thanx ;)
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> cake icing time.
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[17:30] <passstab> heyy Mr_Rpi
[17:30] <passstab> ...looks like i broke it :(
[17:30] <Mr_Rpi> Hey!!! :))
[17:31] <Mr_Rpi> you broke your pi?
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[17:31] <passstab> well you know the password before
[17:32] <passstab> or does it work now?
[17:32] <Mr_Rpi> I newer put a root password berfore upgrading to testing from squeeze
[17:33] <Mr_Rpi> *nver
[17:33] <Mr_Rpi> It seems like it have set its own default or something
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[17:34] <passstab> damn
[17:34] <Mr_Rpi> oh... the bash thingy might work... w8
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[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Mr_Rpi, once you're in the 'bash thingy' run passwd
[17:35] <Mr_Rpi> yes did that
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming everything is mounted as it should be
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[17:35] <Mr_Rpi> now im removing the init line
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, remove init=/bin/bash and see how you go
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[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, yay, managed to build it myself as well, thanks =D
[17:37] <Mr_Rpi> awsome workaround... thanks guys!
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[17:38] <mkopack> Hey gang
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Mr_Rpi, so much for linux security, ey?
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, ahoy
[17:38] <[SLB]> hi jardiamj, yes it's me eheh
[17:39] <passstab> ShiftPlusOne, rigghttttt because me are doing things with the pi that we need to be super secure
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[17:40] <Ben64> if someone has physical access to machine, security doesn't matter
[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> not what I was getting at, but ok.
[17:40] * mkopack is wondering if his Rpi is going to just suddenly arrive at the house today??? sounds like others from the same purchase group are starting to get theirs
[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
[17:40] <mkopack> even though I never got a notification of shipment
[17:40] <ShiftPlusOne> farnell or RS?
[17:41] <mjr> cleraly you should encrypt the root partition
[17:41] <mkopack> RS
[17:41] <jardiamj> hi [SLB], how have you been, did you a pi[e]?
[17:41] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: let me know if it works. if you want to build it stand alone you will need start.S, gpio.cpp, and a main function that start.S jumps into... then you won't need first32k.bin
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[17:41] <jardiamj> *did you get a pi[e]
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[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, is first32k required at all for non-linux kernels?
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[17:42] <[SLB]> good thanks, been abroad, got back few days ago :) not yet, i ordered one supposedly to arrive in june/august
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[17:42] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: no.. you just have to make sure your code starts at 0x0008000 I think
[17:42] <jardiamj> mkopack: when I got the notification mine had already arrived I believe.. haha
[17:42] <mkopack> Lovely
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, thanks
[17:42] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: I would use our *entry.S though... nice and simple. Just make sure you link it first
[17:43] <mkopack> Just wondering how they're shipping them to the USA??? Postal?, DHL? FedEx? UPS?
[17:43] <kallisti5> *entry.S not start.S
[17:43] <jardiamj> I got a notification that said that was going to arrive next week, and it arrived yesterday,
[17:43] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: it should be in the same directory
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[17:43] <jardiamj> mkopack: UPS, mine came with UPS
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> README build.sh first32k.bin gpio.c kernel.img start.S
[17:43] <jaakkos> ehh, grrreat
[17:43] <mkopack> Ah, k. thanks jardiamj
[17:43] <mkopack> Was it a "you have to sign for it" thing?
[17:43] <[SLB]> am also wondering, will those shipped in july/august have a case?
[17:43] <mkopack> Or did they just leave it?
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, (using http://pub.haikungfu.net/haiku/haikupi.tar.gz)
[17:44] <Davespice> Any UK people here going up to Oxford Street on Monday night for the Diablo 3 launch party?
[17:44] <jaakkos> RS sent me mail i could order now, and i went to the shop with auth code; the site was laggy and there were some server errors when i was at checkout
[17:44] <passstab> Mr_Rpi, whats happening?
[17:44] <jaakkos> at some point i got kicked out and can't log in with the code any more.
[17:44] <mkopack> doh!
[17:44] <dmsuse> Davespice: no we have a life
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, speak for yourself! >=/
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ...wait
[17:45] <Davespice> dmsuse: good, because I was going to completle barrate anyone who said yes
[17:45] * Davespice is joking
[17:45] <dmsuse> completle barrate?
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[17:45] <jardiamj> mkopack: they just leaved it in my mailbox
[17:45] <mkopack> I'd also love to know what the deal is with my Newark orders..
[17:45] <jardiamj> *left it
[17:45] <Mr_Rpi> I fixed it with a init etc bash thingy ind the cmd text file gave a root password rebooted and took that line away again
[17:46] <Mr_Rpi> and also updated the sudoers list with pi
[17:46] <Davespice> dmsuse: bad typing, lol (completely berate)
[17:46] <Mr_Rpi> :)
[17:46] <Mr_Rpi> whatever
[17:46] <mkopack> jardiamj: ok, thanks.. Good because I don't get home before UPS usually tries to deliver to my house
[17:46] <Davespice> I was thinking it might be fun, although it could just be a massive queue of console kids picking their spots
[17:46] <passstab> and now you have an rpi with debian testing?
[17:46] <Mr_Rpi> yes
[17:47] <passstab> and is it awesome?
[17:47] <Mr_Rpi> and root password
[17:47] <dmsuse> Davespice: lol kk :P
[17:47] <Mr_Rpi> hehe i dont know about awesome
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[17:47] <Mr_Rpi> I'll have to try it a bit
[17:47] <passstab> you have iceweasel 10? is it fast?
[17:48] <Mr_Rpi> just got the testing to work and added a password to root ;)
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[17:48] <Mr_Rpi> I'll install nr10 soone
[17:48] <Mr_Rpi> but sadly i think it will go slow. All the java at homepages and flash drags it down
[17:49] <zgreg> you're still using websites with java applets?
[17:49] <jardiamj> Mr_Rpi: did you upgrade to testing from stable, or prepared your card with the testing image?
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[17:49] <passstab> oh and you should install Hexxehs firmware updater
[17:50] <Mr_Rpi> I upgraded from squeeze on the Pi device... took hours :P
[17:51] * haltdef will bootstrap his own wheezy
[17:51] <haltdef> raspbian isn't cooperating atm :P
[17:51] <haltdef> attempting a --foreign debootstrap rather than bootstrapping form an existing arm device
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[17:52] <jardiamj> Mr_Rpi: wow, did you have any trouble doing that?
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[17:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, run into a hitch with the select pin of the megadrive controller??? I need to be able to dynamically ground it
[17:52] <jardiamj> haltdef: there and unoficial wheezy image with kernel 3.2.x
[17:52] <haltdef> wut
[17:52] <jardiamj> *there is...
[17:53] <haltdef> yea I don't want an image
[17:53] <haltdef> boring!
[17:53] <Mr_Rpi> jardiamj: its kind of straight forward if u have a 4gb sd card and choose a root password from the begining
[17:53] <jardiamj> hahahaha... ok
[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, oh whoops... stupid me. Found the directory you were talking about (including entry.S). Thanks again for the help.
[17:54] <mkopack> Ok, I have to say, the WORST part about Google buying YouTube is that now every time you watch a video on it, there's that stupid damn overlay that pops up every 60 seconds with an ad in it??? grrr.
[17:54] <Mr_Rpi> wierd... sudo startx have a worse raspberry image in the backround than if i just run startx?????
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what's the matter with you? adblock plus!
[17:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> Particle system up and running and modified ... I think I'm going to have fun
[17:55] <mkopack> I'm on a Mac...
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Mr_Rpi, don't sudo startx....
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, oh... I am sorry. =(
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[17:56] <haltdef> mkopack, adblockplus sorts it for me
[17:56] <Mr_Rpi> hehe lol I hade two different white raspberrys... one transparent and one white :P
[17:56] <haltdef> not once seen an ad on youtube
[17:56] <mkopack> ok, looks like it is available for FF on mac??? installing now
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, careful, if you use it for long enough you won't be able to stand the internet without it
[17:57] <Guest64854> jaakkos: i had the same, phoned up and loads of people have had the issue
[17:57] <jardiamj> mkopack: you are trapped in an iJail...
[17:57] <mkopack> Eh, that's not true at all
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[17:58] <mkopack> I can do everything on my Mac that you guys can do on other systems It's not as closed off as it sounds
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[17:58] <dmsuse> macs are cool
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[17:59] <jardiamj> According to Mr. Richard Stallman, the Apple world is like a Jail... lol
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> 'iJail' is kind of more relevant to ipads and iphones, though Android isn't that much better.
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[18:02] <acfrazier> heh, I got that raspberry pi 'presale' listing pulled
[18:02] <acfrazier> what does the guy do? put it up again.
[18:02] <acfrazier> what a dolt.
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[18:02] <acfrazier> hope they ban him from eBay
[18:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> What's a 1k8 pull up resistor actually mean? It seems to do a good job of driving the select line between something that at least approaches 3.3v/ground
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> If he gets too many, then the account gets pulled.
[18:02] <jardiamj> O know ShiftPlusOne, I have an Android...
[18:02] <haltdef> maemo.
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[18:02] <SpeedEvil> I've just opened a dispute for a 300 quid item, where the seller is trying to add VAT on afterwards.
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> (not allowed by ebay)
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[18:03] <mkopack> Richard Stallman is a quack??? He's been bitching about this stuff for 30 years, and hasn't contributed jack to the world
[18:03] <mkopack> If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to use it
[18:03] <acfrazier> this is why I jailbreak
[18:03] <acfrazier> (and, you know, actually contribute)
[18:03] <acfrazier> http://opensn0w.com/
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, saying he hasn't contributed jack is a bit much, isn't it?
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Jailbreaking is counterproductive.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> IMO
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately.
[18:03] <acfrazier> I learn a lot more about how the device actually /works/ in the process
[18:03] <acfrazier> so it's a win/win
[18:04] <jardiamj> http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1428916/0/richard-stallman/software-libre/apple/
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Jailbreaking means that you're encouraging sales of locked devices that at some point may be properly locked. And any and all development you've done on them is wasted.
[18:04] <acfrazier> Jailbreaking isn't a carrier unlock
[18:04] <acfrazier> It allows me to run unsigned code, and for the device I have, is applicable until Apple decides to respin the SoC in it
[18:04] <jardiamj> This is what Stallman think about apple... it's in Spanish because the interview was in Spain, I couldn't find an English one..
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> I mean locked = signed code
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[18:05] <SpeedEvil> Carrier lock is quite unrelated.
[18:05] <acfrazier> Well, you can jailbreak to achieve an 'unofficial' carrier unlock on certain baseband versions
[18:05] <acfrazier> some people associate the two
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[18:05] <jaakkos> Guest64854: good to hear i guess
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> I think in some cases, carrier locks are legit.
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> For example - subsidised phones.
[18:06] <acfrazier> In many european countries they aren't legal
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> As long as they are explained in large letters to the user.
[18:06] <acfrazier> Well, the thing was for the longest time AT&T outright refused to even unlock them after the term was up
[18:06] <acfrazier> now they do, but then flip flopped saying if you aren't a customer anymore you can't
[18:07] * gordonDrogon waves.
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[18:07] <acfrazier> Their rationale was that it was "exclusive" which at the time was true
[18:07] <acfrazier> but it isn't anymore
[18:08] <chris_99> i just tried running omxplayer in terminal mode, but you can still see the text from the terminal when you play a video
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, worked out the 1k8 resistors yet?
[18:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: No idea, but they seem to do what I wanted to achieve without causing any fires
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> they connect the pin to +3.3v via a 1.8KOhm resistor.
[18:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm using one of the i2c pins ( pin 8 in wiringPi ) to switch the "select" line of the game pad
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> they are on the 8 I2C pins - in wiringPi land, that's pins 8 and 9.
[18:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> So I flip it between 1 and 0 with write, and that seems to magically work
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> yes, it'll work. When you write a 1 to it, the pin will be at 3.3v, write a 0 and the GPIO shorts the 1.8K resistor to ground, so the remote side sees ground too.
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> it's marginally wastefull of current, but who's counting...
[18:10] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Is it? What EXACTLY has he produced?
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, I quite like that whole gnu thing O_o
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> and if I didn't, I think I'd recognise that it's an accomplishment.
[18:12] <mkopack> Did he actually WRITE that code? Or did he just do the whole "poster boy sploesperson spapbox" thing?
[18:12] <mkopack> Because over the last 10-15 years it's seemed a lot more like the later than the former
[18:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Thanks, now I understand why it works in this case??? it's basically exactly what I needed
[18:13] <BenO> mkopack, ? curious measure of contribution
[18:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't it's all about writting code. Inspiring people and shifting paradigms is an accomplishment in itself.
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[18:15] <mkopack> I just don't' feel Stalman is any more a prophet or messiah any more than I thought Gates or Jobs is/was??? They all have their own thoughts on the way computers should be. Some are good, some are bad, some are reasonable, some are crazy.
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, I don't think anybody suggested otherwise
[18:15] <mkopack> Tehre are things I like about Open Source, there are things that drive me bat shit crazy about it.
[18:15] <BenO> mkopack, that's different from ' He's been bitching about this stuff for 30 years, and hasn't contributed jack to the world'
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't call any of them prophets or messiahs, but yeah
[18:16] <mkopack> There are things I love about Macs + i-Devices, and things I don't like about them
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> right. cake made and iced now to pack my Pi for the demo at tonights LUG meet
[18:16] <mkopack> People love to complain about iDevices being locked down and closed, but at the same time, we haven't seen anywhere near the sort of id theft / etc on the i-Device ecosystem that we have on Android???
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> Anyone near Exeter, Devon, UK?
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[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, well that's a can of worms, heh.
[18:17] <mkopack> And from a Developer perspective, while i-Device is harder, it's also a bigger money maker for most.
[18:17] <mkopack> So, there are good and bad parts to each ecosystem. The question is more a personal one about which works best for you and your needs.
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[18:19] <dmsuse> android i a joke, java is a joke
[18:19] <dmsuse> *is
[18:19] <chris_99> what's wrong with android?
[18:19] <BenO> java
[18:19] <BenO> (in a nutshell)
[18:19] <dmsuse> chris_99: its the buggiest thing i have ever used
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[18:20] <ShiftPlusOne> <random assertion about something not being up to my standards!>
[18:20] <mkopack> What's wrong with Java? I've made a damn good living writing Java
[18:20] <chris_99> i quite liked playing around with java on Android tbh
[18:20] <chris_99> i think the people that diss java the most probably haven't used it
[18:20] <mkopack> Including writing 2 books
[18:20] <mkopack> agreed
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> I've not used Java, but I've no issues with others using it...
[18:21] <BenO> chris_99, mkopack used it, used to be paid very decent money for it, still a soul-destroying thing for me to use :)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> er, I've used Java, but not written any Java programs, jsut to clarify!
[18:21] <mkopack> I got a good laugh the other day when I read in the forums somebody saying how "No real systems are done in java???" never mind that MOST businesses do a LOT of their systems in Java...
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[18:21] <mkopack> BenO: How so? It's a perfectly fine language. what do you use now or prefer that you feel is so much better?
[18:22] <chris_99> i've done some web dev in java using Play which i found suprisingly good
[18:22] <BenO> mkopack, I've found that just about anything I need to do nowadays, I don't benefit from doing it with Java
[18:22] <BenO> a personal preference
[18:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Whew, nearly there!
[18:23] <mkopack> Well, that's more a case of "right tool for the job". I've never said Java is the swiss army knife
[18:23] <BenO> scala is very interesting to me though - still looking for a project that I might flex that with
[18:23] <jardiamj> I love Python....
[18:24] <mkopack> I'd say 70% of the systems we build here where I work are in Java, another 20% in C/C++ and the remaining 10% in a mix of Python and other stuff
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> woops - looks like theres a 2nd bricking...
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/troubleshooting/pi-dont-no-1-in-a-series-of-things-to-not-do/#p77055
[18:24] <mkopack> Who the HELL runs 18V power along ethernet???
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[18:25] <dmsuse> whats wrong with 18v?
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> I did.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> I started that thread...
[18:25] <mkopack> What for?
[18:25] <dmsuse> if its a really long cable
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> passive power over ethernet.
[18:25] <dmsuse> u get voltage drop
[18:25] <BenO> mkopack, Java remains the one language that I struggle to write without a lot of assistance from an IDE which biases me somewhat :)
[18:26] <mkopack> They've said repeatedly that it doesn't support PoE!
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> it's a pretty common and cheap way to power stuff.
[18:26] <chris_99> what's wrong with using an IDE, BenO
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> I wasn't trying to power the Pi - I just picked up my powered cable that I use for other boars that do take power that way.
[18:26] <mkopack> BenO: Oh, see??? I'm the same way with Python, and even C++ to a degree. It's mostly a case of experience with a language??? practice and all that
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> I do some stuff with ALIX boards and they can take passive power from their Ethernet port.
[18:27] <BenO> chris_99, Me and Eclipse.... well, we don't see eye-to-eye :)
[18:27] <chris_99> oh i quite like eclipse, i think it's brilliant
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> turns out the terminating resistors in the socket are very lowe power...
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> The Pi's ok - it wasn't mine I was pointing to, but the last post in the thread...
[18:28] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, I think a large part of dislike for java is also experience with software developed in java. Minecraft, azureus, android and so on.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> he managed to push 7.5V down a GPIO pin...
[18:28] <BenO> gordonDrogon, It's a very good effort! Smokin'
[18:29] <BenO> Did the guy who soldered directly onto his GPIO pins fix it or did he toast it too?
[18:29] <ReggieUK> that takes some pushing
[18:29] <ReggieUK> they're less than 1/2 that size
[18:29] <mkopack> Shift: Well, writing Java and writing GOOD java are 2 different things
[18:29] <ReggieUK> they're only 3.3v thick
[18:30] <mkopack> Just like C and GOOD C.
[18:30] <drazyl> or perl and complete gibberish
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[18:30] <dmsuse> or visual basic and...
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[18:30] <dmsuse> nah thats all rubbish
[18:30] <mkopack> Java itself is a relatively easy language to pick up and start doing stuff in, but to do things well, you really gotta think about effective OO design, and plan things out and be willing to refactor??? Most people aren't and they'll just keep cobbling and shoehorning
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[18:31] <mkopack> Eh, even VB isn't bad when used properly for the right things - a small data entry application on a windows machine - sure???
[18:31] <dmsuse> nah all languagues that arn't cross platform should be banned
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[18:33] <chris_99> VB is pretty terrible mind, mkopack it encouranges sloppy programming
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[18:34] <mkopack> Sure??? but again, a disciplined developer who is experienced and is using the tool properly CAN make very nicely organized, maintainable, and extendible VB if they try
[18:34] <mkopack> And that's the case with ANY language
[18:34] <mkopack> the problem is, there's a lot of people out there who just slap crap together and don't really THINK about what they're doing, nor design for extendibility and maintainability
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, I am not sure how true that is. Coming from VB, I found it difficult to work with c and c++, so I felt like I was learning programming for the first time (and I was), but I don't think that it encouraged bad habits or anything like that
[18:35] <mkopack> they just care about making it work
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[18:35] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, the ' as a comment token used to drive me up the wall with VB!
[18:35] <chris_99> ShiftPlusOne, isn't that a sign that VB is bad ShiftPlusOne
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> it's actually a hang-over from the original Dartmouth BASIC...
[18:36] <mkopack> I started out with BASIC on the C64 - and largely just taught myself. Then when I was a HS freshman, I took 2 classes on Structured Basic Programming and that broke ALL my bad habits in BASIC - I learned how to structure code for maintainability and reusability.
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, forgot about that. Didn't bother me, since I didn't know better.
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, yeah, I am not saying VB is good, I am saying people who started with VB aren't a lost cause, heh.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I added // as a comment into my BASIC...
[18:36] <mkopack> When I got to college and had to do my first class in PASCAL, it wasn't that much a stretch for me because I was already doing things in highly organized ways in BASIC
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[18:36] <chris_99> oh yeah i agree ShiftPlusOne, i started with VB in highschool
[18:36] <mkopack> C wasn't that much of a stretch from PASCAL then, nor was MIPS assembly...
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> this is my gripe when people blingly say basic is no good - it's perfectly good IF it's taught well in the first place.
[18:37] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, The ' had the same effect on me as: http://xkcd.com/859/
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> at least VB was a good intro to windows API
[18:37] <chris_99> true
[18:37] <mkopack> LISP was the first thing to really throw me??? And when I was exposed to OO and just fell in love once I got my head around how to design using it
[18:37] <jardiamj> is there any collaboration Python project, being developed for the pi? I have already searched the forums extensively...
[18:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Every button reading correctly :D
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> I muddled with prolog for a while. gave it up as a bad idea...
[18:38] <chris_99> yeah lisp is interesting, what with it's funny caaaaaar and cdr's
[18:38] <mkopack> gordonDrogon: Exactly??? It's a tool - taught how to use it well, it's a good tool. Taught how to use it badly, it's a horrible one
[18:38] <BenO> Anyone used Forth?
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> BenO: About 6 times, in 1990 or so.
[18:38] <mkopack> chris_99: Take a look at Lua - I found it to be all the power of Lisp/Scheme, but with a lot of really interesting concepts
[18:39] <mkopack> and without all the damn ( )
[18:39] <chris_99> i haven't looked a Lua. I quite liked lisp/scheme from the little i played with it though
[18:39] <BenO> SpeedEvil, Ditto, but I met it a little earlier. Have you seen the Fignition? https://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> FigNITION!!!!
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I met the bloke behind it 2 weeks ago.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> He's quite a guy!
[18:40] <BenO> chris_99, lua is nice - there is l?ve2d which is a simple game environment for it
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I almost bought one on the spot.
[18:40] <mkopack> I started looking into Lua because several games I like use it for modding, but I never had the time to really dig too deeply
[18:40] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Yeah, he's cool :) Did a weekend hack thing where he was there with his wife. He got her to solder one up :)
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[18:40] <BenO> (First thing she'd soldered!)
[18:40] <chris_99> aha, the last game development i did was with DarkBasic back in the day, BenO
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> BenO, yup - this was a sort of unconference hack meet in Manchester 2 weekends ago.
[18:41] <BenO> chris_99, https://love2d.org/ writing games with it is one thing - it's just a handy environment that you can use to run pure lua to learn with
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of forth once upon a time, but never really liked it. I powered Suns OpenBoot prom to some new spard boards that a company I was working with were producing.
[18:42] <BenO> chris_99, as most lua use is with embedded C programs (games, etc) and so can be limited
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[18:42] <BenO> gordonDrogon, in madlab? or someplace else?
[18:42] <chris_99> aha ok, yeah i like using C
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[18:42] <SpeedEvil> BenO: neat
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> BenO, yes, madlab. great place.
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[18:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> All working nicely, even with my gratuitous misuse of computer jumper pins
[18:46] <chris_99> does anyone have any idea how i could flush the framebuffer of the Pi
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[18:46] <ReggieUK> write zeros to it?
[18:46] <Syliss> cool i can order a pi
[18:46] <chris_99> i don't know the address of it though
[18:46] <ReggieUK> cat /proc/iomem ?
[18:47] <BenO> cat urandom > /dev/fb0
[18:47] <ReggieUK> or cat /proc/meminfo
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[18:47] <chris_99> oh does /dev/fb0 exist?
[18:47] * BenO wonders if that actually works..
[18:47] <Syliss> idk if i want to spend $43 on the pi
[18:47] <BenO> chris_99, no idea on this setup tbh - sorry, it was a bit of a flippant answer :)
[18:47] <ReggieUK> cat urandom to dev fb0 will end up with all sorts of junk on screen
[18:49] <BenO> cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0
[18:49] <BenO> cat: write error: No space left on device
[18:50] <chris_99> yeah that did work actually Benzero
[18:50] <chris_99> BenO
[18:50] <chris_99> i did it with dd
[18:50] <BenO> Ah yes :)
[18:50] <chris_99> although the terminal text came back straight away
[18:50] <chris_99> as to be expected i guess
[18:51] <chris_99> i'll find out where the terminal text is stored
[18:51] <chris_99> i guess
[18:51] <BenO> chris_99, blank screensaver?
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[18:51] <chris_99> i'm using the terminal
[18:51] <chris_99> so no screensaver
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[18:52] <Syliss> ugh, I'm torn. i want to buy the pi but then again i dont
[18:52] <chris_99> why?
[18:53] <Syliss> tight on money atm
[18:54] <BenO> chris_99, if you are on the tty, can you 'clear && omxplayer ....' ?
[18:54] <chris_99> clear doesn't clear it completely
[18:54] <chris_99> it still leaves terminal text
[18:54] <chris_99> at the top
[18:54] <chris_99> :(
[18:54] <BenO> is the video appearing at the bottom left then?
[18:54] <chris_99> no in the middle vertically
[18:54] <chris_99> so the top and bottom text is visibile
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[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, what about clear;reset; ?
[18:55] <chris_99> what's reset do?
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> idn
[18:55] <jm|laptop> doesn't it clear the codepage?
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what it does, but it might be worth a shot
[18:56] <chris_99> tried it, its the same as clear more or less
[18:56] <jm|laptop> it does a lot more than clear
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[18:56] <chris_99> well the result is the same
[18:56] <Thorn__> it resets, infact
[18:56] <BenO> chris_99, "setterm -blank force && omxplayer .... && setterm -blank poke"
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[18:57] <BenO> chris_99, I advise doing that as a one-liner, as the forced blank is well, forced :)
[18:57] <chris_99> ooh that sounds promising
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> could you dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fb0 or something like that?
[18:57] <chris_99> tried that ShiftPlusOne
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[18:57] <chris_99> the text comes back as it's stored somewhere else i guess
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> right. exeter here I come!
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> laters...
[18:58] <BenO> chris_99, And I've had no probs doing video core output when the terminal goes to sleep on mine, so it should
[18:58] <BenO> work
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0?
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> sure did clear my screen just then
[18:58] <chris_99> maybe your using X?
[18:59] <mkopack> Syliss: Well, given that even if you tried to order it right now, you'll looking at several months before you could get it, I'd say just wait...
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I guess the framebuffer doesn't have much to do with whatever omx does.
[18:59] <chris_99> oh wait that works ShiftPlusOne!
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> aha!
[18:59] <chris_99> it didn't work with dd
[18:59] <chris_99> before
[18:59] <Syliss> mkopack: rs just sent me a thing sayings it would ship in 7 business days
[18:59] <mkopack> Did you already have one on order?
[19:00] <BenO> chris_99, you might want to monitor cpu usage with that way?
[19:00] <mkopack> Or is this your invite to order from your registration of interest back on Feb 29?
[19:00] <Syliss> since I'm in the usa, they were doing a code program to wait till they got theirs
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> BenO, it fills up the framebuffer and quits straight away
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> cat: write error: No space left on device
[19:00] <Syliss> invite bs thingy
[19:00] <mkopack> Ah, ok, gotchya
[19:00] <chris_99> oh that was almost perfect ShiftPlusOne but now i''m still left with a flashing cursor
[19:00] <mkopack> Well??? up to you??? If money is that tight, this isn't a NEED it's a Want
[19:00] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, yep I got that, but on cmdline it refreshes
[19:00] <chris_99> just above the video
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[19:01] <BenO> chris_99, try the setterm - it really does put the terminal to sleep
[19:01] <chris_99> i'll have a play with it
[19:01] <Syliss> yeah i know mkopack
[19:01] <BenO> (All bets are off with X running of course ;))
[19:02] <mkopack> Ok, BBIAB, time to head for lunch...
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[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, 'tput civis'
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[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> then tput cnorm to return the cursor
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> an ugly way of doing it
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> but should work
[19:03] <markus> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/473351_3612682629396_1043679795_3335512_744543665_o.jpg
[19:03] <markus> You like it?
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[19:03] <chris_99> BenO that worked!
[19:03] <chris_99> so doing the cat trick and then the setterm
[19:03] <chris_99> seemed to fix it
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh... setterm, nice
[19:04] <BenO> You shouldn't have to use the cat trick with setterm
[19:04] <chris_99> now i have a lovely video with no annoying text
[19:04] <chris_99> yeah maybe not
[19:04] <BenO> You might want to wrap the setterms in a script, so that when it exits, you get your terminal bac
[19:04] <BenO> otherwise, you are typing blind :)
[19:05] <chris_99> heh
[19:05] <Guest64854> jaakkos: just tried it again, it worked and the order's gone through
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> what arguments does setterm need?
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[19:05] <chris_99> yeah i'm going to make a script so i can play videos through a web interface
[19:05] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, to control the sleep?
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> must be blind... not seeing it
[19:05] <BenO> ShiftPlusOne, setterm -blank [force|poke|a number]
[19:05] <chris_99> 'setterm -blank force' i used
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> and to return it?
[19:06] <BenO> poke
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks
[19:06] <chris_99> oh i like it without a terminal
[19:06] <BenO> the number is to adjust the delay before screensaver kicks in
[19:06] <chris_99> as i'm sshd into it
[19:07] <BenO> chris_99, the best way :)
[19:08] <dmsuse> i need a pi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:08] <chris_99> the Pi is really better than my dual core laptop at playing mp4 video!
[19:09] <Syliss> thats sad
[19:10] <chris_99> i'm waiting until june to get a new Ivy bridge laptop
[19:10] <markus> I'm waiting longer for my Raspberry PI
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[19:10] <markus> chris_99: what do you have in mind, asus zenbook prime?
[19:11] <chris_99> a newer version of this http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GE620DX-691UK-GeForce-Graphics-Windows/dp/B0079ZB594/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1335041658&sr=1-4
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[19:11] <newbie12> hello everyone, anyone able to help with an HDMI problem?
[19:11] * newbie12 is now known as Fiber^
[19:12] <Fiber^> sorry for my nick :)
[19:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fiber^: what troubles you?
[19:13] <Fiber^> composite mode working (trough my tv-tuner), but i can't fire up the hdmi with a benq g2420HD
[19:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> There are a handful of config options you can try, which are saved in /boot/config.txt ??? let me find the guide!
[19:14] <Fiber^> found the guide
[19:14] <Fiber^> just checked hdmi_drive=2
[19:14] <Fiber^> ah, quick question: how can i set my keyboard locale?
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[19:15] <Fiber^> y-z is different on hungarian keyboard, and sometimes i forget it when i try to login
[19:15] <Fiber^> hdmi_drive=2 -> no luck with this
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[19:16] <Fiber^> i don't have other hdmi device to test my monitor
[19:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Tried playing with hdmi_mode?
[19:17] <Fiber^> syntax is hdmi_mode=1 ?
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[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Fiber^, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[19:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> The consensus seems to be to try hdmi_mode=4
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> it would be like hdmi_mode=4 or 16 or whatever actually matches your monitor.
[19:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I haven't tested with an HDMI equipped monitor or HDMI->DVI adaptor yet, just some HDMI TVs which the Rpi can sometimes be funny about
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[19:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> And if it reboots, accidentally or otherwise, with my TV turned off??? POOF no display until next reboot
[19:19] <Mr_Rpi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-config
[19:19] <Fiber^> hdmi requires communication when negotiating with the monitor about the modes
[19:20] <Fiber^> so make sure, your tv is on before turning pi on
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[19:20] <Fiber^> Mr_Rpi: thank you, never used debian before
[19:21] <Mr_Rpi> me neither ;)
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[19:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> No debian? what madness is this!
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[19:22] <Fiber^> sorry, slackware, arch, blackpanther, etc
[19:22] <Fiber^> but debian was a very quick fail when i started to play with linux
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[19:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remember such things as Corel Linux, ee
[19:25] <chris_99> heh i remember that
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[19:26] <Fiber^> hmm, hdmi_mode=4 fail
[19:27] <Fiber^> i should try every option?
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> no, just what makes sense to try on your monitor
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> or tv
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[19:31] <Fiber^> monitor
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[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> which monitor is it?
[19:32] <Fiber^> benq g2420hd
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> 14
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> try hdmi_mode=14
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> *16
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> and disable_overscan=1
[19:34] <Fiber^> testing 14
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> noooooo
[19:34] <Fiber^> no luck, pi is booting
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I think 16 should do it
[19:34] <Fiber^> kk, 14 & disable_overscan now
[19:34] <Fiber^> 16* :D
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[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> anything?
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[19:36] <GabrialDestruir_> I wish I wa better at debugging programs.... lol
[19:36] <GabrialDestruir_> was*
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[19:38] <Fiber^> testing now
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[19:38] <Fiber^> nope, nothing with mode=16, overscan off
[19:38] <Fiber^> on*
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[19:39] <Fiber^> i am thinking about different os might help
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean hdmi_mode = 16 and disable_overscan = 1?
[19:39] <Fiber^> yes
[19:39] <GabrialDestruir_> You might have to do what I did.
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[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> what are you actually seeing?
[19:39] <GabrialDestruir_> Set your HDMI mode, and leave on overscan
[19:40] <GabrialDestruir_> then use the overscan_ options to adjust the screen.
[19:40] * Holden arrived o/
[19:40] <Fiber^> ShiftPlusOne: nothing, monitor doesn't care what setting i gave it to the pi
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... I'd imagine you'd at least get something on the screen
[19:40] <Fiber^> nope, nothing
[19:40] <Fiber^> only trough composite
[19:40] <GabrialDestruir_> If you screwed up config.txt video options it'll show blank
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[19:41] <GabrialDestruir_> delete config.txt and see if it works.
[19:41] <Fiber^> debian comes without config.txt
[19:41] <ShiftPlusOne> well then.... my brain is shutting down, it's almost 4am.... time to stop communicating with people.
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[19:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Did it work without it?
[19:41] <Fiber^> of course nope
[19:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Hm.
[19:41] <Fiber^> i am fighting with it since 2 days
[19:41] <Fiber^> couldn't get anything trough hdmi
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir_> You trying to use a converter or something?
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Or plugged directly into a tv/monitor?
[19:42] <Fiber^> directly, no tricks, 1,5 meter long cable
[19:42] <Fiber^> monitor
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Try using another monitor/tv?
[19:43] <Fiber^> i can't, don't have
[19:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Hm....
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> well then... time to try every single sensible hdmi_mode
[19:43] <GabrialDestruir_> That's going to make it hard to diagnose.... it could be a simple settings issue.... or something could be broken...
[19:44] <Fiber^> GabrialDestruir_: my first tought was the pi's hdmi out is broken
[19:44] <Fiber^> but couldn't verify it
[19:44] <Fiber^> second: monitor's hdmi died
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[19:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Well, do you have something else that has HDMI out?
[19:44] <Fiber^> same, couldn't verify it
[19:44] <Fiber^> nope
[19:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Yeesh.
[19:45] <Fiber^> indeed :D
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir_> I'd give up then.
[19:45] <Fiber^> but i have a multimeter, checked the voltage, it's correct
[19:45] <Fiber^> ~4.85
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Wait til you can go to a friends and test the pi on their monitor/such.
[19:45] <mkopack> Bad cable?
[19:46] <Fiber^> mkopack: brand new cable, but i can't test it
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir_> That could be the issue too.
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir_> Assuming the pi and cable are fine....
[19:46] <Fiber^> of course, it could be
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir_> the issue is the monitor.
[19:46] <Fiber^> indeed, but still can't confirm
[19:46] <Fiber^> and thats annoying :F
[19:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Get a friend with a big screen tv
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[19:47] <Fiber^> hmm, every OS for the pi has the same bootloader?
[19:47] <Fiber^> or i should try arch / QtOnpi?
[19:47] <GabrialDestruir_> and go over and be like "Hey can I plug my shifty looking computer into your TV via HDMI?"
[19:48] <Fiber^> well, i have to tell my friends: dude, i need help, plug this in
[19:48] <Fiber^> they'll say: okay, do it!
[19:48] <Fiber^> trust is not an issue here :)
[19:48] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
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[19:48] <Fiber^> but they're (f****) far from here :(
[19:48] <GabrialDestruir_> I just assume people are naturally suspicious of people.
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Cause they always look at me like I'm going to break crap.
[19:49] <Fiber^> thats correct, but that many computers i fixed over the years helped me to get some reputation
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Time to go out and buy a new HD tv, Fiber :p
[19:49] <Fiber^> just bought this one
[19:49] <Fiber^> it was .... expensive
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh I fix computers.... and I get them working....
[19:50] <GabrialDestruir_> Then I go away and a few weeks later the computer dies and the people haven't touched it since I was there....
[19:50] <GabrialDestruir_> so who gets blamed?
[19:50] <Fiber^> hmm, maybe my neighbour, let me check if he's @ home
[19:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Could be your tv is a bitch and isn't returning any sort of EDID or w/e. So the pi is all like "WHAT ARE YOU? I CANT SEE YOU! I'M NOT GONNA OUTPUT ANYTHING!"
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[19:52] <Fiber^> hm
[19:52] <Fiber^> m
[19:52] <Fiber^> i can check via ssh
[19:52] <Fiber^> plugging the hdmi in, ssh into the device
[19:52] <Fiber^> hmm, i have to fix the dhcp first
[19:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Have to enable ssh first.
[19:52] <Fiber^> already enabled afaik
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[19:53] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, language... and all that.
[19:53] <Fiber^> yeah, it is enabled
[19:53] <GabrialDestruir_> you did the whole move /boot/boot_ssh_w/e.rc to /boot/boot.rc?
[19:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh right language .-.
[19:53] <Fiber^> nope
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[19:53] <Fiber^> cp enable_ssh.rc boot.rc
[19:53] <Fiber^> and it just works
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh well same thing xD
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[19:54] <Fiber^> btw on slackware it's just cmhod +x sshd.sh
[19:54] <Fiber^> so it wasn't that easy for me on debian :D
[19:55] <GabrialDestruir_> Eh I've just been taking whatever problem I have and scouring the raspberrypi forums
[19:55] <GabrialDestruir_> See if someone has a similar issue then going and fixing it.
[19:56] <GabrialDestruir_> I need to figure out how to make the pi stop thinking it's in the UK
[19:57] <ReggieUK> locale?
[19:57] <GabrialDestruir_> How?
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> hide all the tea
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> (badoom tsh)
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ok I should really go
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[19:57] <ReggieUK> however it's done in the OS you're using?
[19:57] <ReggieUK> debian?
[19:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea
[19:59] <Fiber^> okay, lets try the ssh-edid trick
[19:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Got it.... dpkg-reconfigure locales
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[20:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I think maybe there should be a list of useful commands for each of the various distros
[20:03] <Fiber^> starting with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboary-configuration! :)
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Yep
[20:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Then time
[20:04] <GabrialDestruir_> and locale
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[20:06] <Fiber^> well, for time we could use an ntpdate <timeserver>
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir_> What's a file that I can modify during the startup of startx (preferably toward the end) so that synergy is always enabled when I'm running pi?
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir_> Well I mean.
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[20:07] <GabrialDestruir_> Timezones :p
[20:07] <Fiber^> ahh, i see
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm networked so the time was right, but it was on GMT
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir_> or UTC
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir_> or w/e it's called these days
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[20:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Had to use tzselect to change it on debian.
[20:10] <GabrialDestruir_> It's really weird not having all the usual access to settings and stuff like on ubuntu... lol
[20:11] <Fiber^> super weird
[20:11] <Fiber^> hdmi connected, and the pi is using the composite
[20:11] <GabrialDestruir_> is composite plugged in?
[20:12] <Fiber^> yes
[20:12] <GabrialDestruir_> That there be your issue.
[20:12] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm guessing.
[20:12] <Fiber^> but the order should be hdmi, composite
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[20:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Try unplugging composite :p
[20:12] <Fiber^> well, maybe it need a hard restart
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm....
[20:13] <Fiber^> nope, stuck to the composite
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir_> even after a cold boot?
[20:14] <GabrialDestruir_> and with it unplugged?
[20:15] <Fiber^> yea, cold boot, only hdmi connected
[20:15] <Fiber^> and it starts with the composite
[20:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Odd....
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[20:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Well either you screwed something up in /boot or your HDMI is fried, so it's resorting to what's left.
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[20:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Start with a fresh copy of the OS HDMI only and see what happens.
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[20:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm wondering if my inability to grab this lib is why pianobar is dropping into loops .-.
[20:19] <Fiber^> okay, removed config.txt
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[20:22] <GabrialDestruir_> okay this might be why it's not working.... apparently the package list isn't getting updated properly -sighs-
[20:23] <Fiber^> hehe, a new platform brings new bugs
[20:23] <Fiber^> and to be honest, we're the very first birds on this platform
[20:23] <Holden> hey guys, just reconfigured the keyboard layout and now it stops here http://imagebin.org/212022 for a lie 20 seconds... has anyone notices this too?
[20:24] <Fiber^> Holden: happend here as well, so it is not unique
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[20:26] <Holden> Fiber^, oh, thanks :) so I suppose I didn't do anything wrong
[20:26] <Fiber^> nope, that "looks" okay, just reconfigured half an hour ago
[20:27] <Fiber^> and my pi is struggling with setting the keymap as well
[20:27] <Kostic> Chromium OS on raspberry pi...
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir_> rebooting now.
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir_> will tell you what I see.
[20:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea it gets slow there.
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[20:28] <Holden> Fiber^, yes, other than the delay everything seems to be working fine :) and now I have the right layout!
[20:28] <Fiber^> same here, but i don't really understand why i have to restart my pi to get the new layout working
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[20:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Mind you it also gets slow later on where it says Setting up console font and keymap
[20:29] <FrankBuss> I had this problem, too, looks like it resists to use another layout than UK :-)
[20:30] <Holden> lol
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir_> That's because the OS were modified with UK in mind.
[20:31] <FrankBuss> right, I think there is a linux kernel settings to compile the keyboard layout into the kernel
[20:31] <Fiber^> removing config.txt results the same: no output if hdmi connected
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Still trying to use composite even when it's not there?
[20:32] <Fiber^> nope, it is no signal on composite without config.txt
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[20:33] <mkopack> Would kinda be nice if it would ask you to set the layout on first boot
[20:33] <mkopack> as well as your other locale info
[20:33] <RITRedbeard> ya rite
[20:34] <GabrialDestruir_> you could probably create a distro that does that
[20:34] <GabrialDestruir_> "International friendly!"
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[20:34] <Fiber^> i'd be happy with hdmi friendly by itself :
[20:34] <Fiber^> :D
[20:35] <GabrialDestruir_> It is?
[20:35] <FrankBuss> I guess the delay is because it loads the other keymap, but should be not so slow. If you compile your own kernel, you can change it: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/OLD/kernel_keymap.txt
[20:35] <GabrialDestruir_> Kind of
[20:35] <GabrialDestruir_> sort of
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir_> actually, that's a lie, so far I've yet to see the pi be trully friendly with HDMI
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
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[20:37] <GabrialDestruir_> How are you getting your output info?
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[20:38] <Holden> hmm, there is no .bashrc?
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[20:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah...
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[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, don't know if you're still around, but have you run into "undefined reference to `__aeabi_idiv'"?.... which really shouldn't be there. =/
[20:41] <GabrialDestruir_> I need some custom lego pieces, so I can redesign the case to be more cord friendly .-.
[20:41] <chnops> i noticed an increased delay after changing keymap, but only slightly, seems worse for other people
[20:42] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: not yet... however since I don't have serial output I have *no* idea whats going on once that led flicks on :)
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[20:42] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: whats this kexec thing?
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm seeing 20+ seconds at the spot where holden screencapped.
[20:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Then another 20ish seconds just a little bit before it displays the login line
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, allows you to load and boot a kernel from within linux. I was hoping for a boot selector, but it's not working too well with the binary blobs.
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[20:43] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: hmm.. never tried it.. sounds neat though! :D
[20:43] <Holden> GabrialDestruir_, same here
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[20:44] <GabrialDestruir_> I've come to realize cordwise, the Pi is inefficient .-.
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, it loaded up your kernel just fine.
[20:44] <GabrialDestruir_> What with them coming off all four sides if you want sound and internet and power and HDMI
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[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Think I might need a different toolchain
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[20:52] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I parse edid.dat so it's readable? >.>
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[21:02] <Fiber^> okay, super weird
[21:02] <Fiber^> even the edid shows my monitor type
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir_> So according to export.farnell.....
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir_> the shipping price for the Pi is ??14.00
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir_> which is about 22 bucks
[21:04] <amelia_> international, that's not too bad.
[21:04] <GabrialDestruir_> and the original pi price "??24.55" which comes out to 39.47 is without any sort of shipping
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[21:06] <DaQatz> Wait, I thought the extra cost was do to the fact that they already added shipping...
[21:06] <Fiber^> hmm, tvservice says for -M when i connect: hdmi standby mode
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently not -.-
[21:07] <DaQatz> That's not what the said earlier...
[21:07] <DaQatz> they*
[21:07] <amelia_> GabrialDestruir_: where are you? With RS I had to pay for Pi + shipping ... I think Farnell have a set price for the Pi and a set shipping price, but I could be mistaken
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[21:08] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm in the US.
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir_> But at the time I ordered export.farnell was the only place anyone knew to order from for outside the UK
[21:08] <amelia_> Perhaps http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-Shot-2012-03-27-at-12.46.13.png may be of help? (Source: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/871)
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[21:08] <GabrialDestruir_> it wasn't until several hours later newark and everything started selling them.
[21:09] <Fiber^> omg, IT'S WORKING!!!
[21:09] <Fiber^> don't ask me how
[21:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Yay!
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Fiber^, what did you need to do?
[21:09] <DaQatz> Yeah that's what I thought.
[21:09] <Fiber^> ShiftPlusOne: i am not sure
[21:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Eh screw it.... Farnell screwed me over.
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[21:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Just shows that I'll never order from them again.
[21:09] <Fiber^> i'll try to figure out what happened
[21:09] <Fiber^> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[21:09] <Cheery> the next 75k rpi boards coming?
[21:10] <Cheery> WOO
[21:10] <Fiber^> and stuffs like that, and i started to play with tvservice
[21:10] <Fiber^> turning on-off
[21:10] <Fiber^> tvservice --preferred
[21:10] <Fiber^> tvservice -o
[21:10] <Fiber^> after i checked the edid
[21:10] <Fiber^> and it showed the correct model, everytinh
[21:10] <Fiber^> everything *
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[21:11] <mkopack> Cheery: yeah, and that ONLY covers them through the orders placed on Feb 29 then!
[21:11] <Fiber^> the tvservice -m command showed weird stuff: the monitor in standby mode, but it shouldn't be
[21:11] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: what kexec options did you use to load the haiku loader?
[21:11] <mkopack> Or rather interests registered
[21:11] <kallisti5> have my pi at home... definitely going to give it a whirl :D
[21:11] <Cheery> mkopack: where's farnell going?
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no clue what you're using o.O
[21:11] <mkopack> Cheery: What do you mean?
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[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> tvservice tells me -M and -o are invalid
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, just kexec -l kernel.img; kexec -e;
[21:13] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: wierd
[21:13] <kallisti5> :D
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[21:13] <Fiber^> yeeehaw
[21:14] <Fiber^> you have no idea how happy i am right now
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[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, I am not 100% sure it worked though. When I tried the proper kernel, I had all the gpio pins remain light and responding to the ethernet cable being unplugged. However with the gpio demo thing, it was just the ok light. I am trying to modify it to make the ok light flash, to make sure.
[21:15] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: ah. I'm just not sure how that could work without blowing up :)
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[21:16] * amelia_ is chuffed, getting a lovely fully-enclosed (AFAIK) clear acrylic case... and made by a local GLUG, to boot! :P
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> huh? what am I about to blow up?
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[21:17] <kallisti5> ShiftPlusOne: nothing physical :)
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[21:19] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, done =)
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[21:23] <Fiber^> by the way, am I the only one, who never was able to verify the sha1 sum of the debian img?
[21:23] <Fiber^> the debian.img.sha1 said totally different sum-number
[21:23] <Fiber^> but the zip's sha1sum was correct
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir_> they're probably doing it by the zip's sha1sum
[21:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wheee Ruby making pretty patterns with LEDs
[21:31] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I launch something without it taking up terminal?
[21:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm going to have to shove all my hackery into a repo to share the love, Ruby is a nice language for this sort of thing??? despite being horrible bloaty and slow
[21:32] <Fiber^> Gadgetoid: trough pi?
[21:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir_: read up on screen, it's a handy utility
[21:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fiber^: aye
[21:32] <Fiber^> can you give us a video?
[21:32] <Fiber^> i've got a lot of plans with the pi, including interfacing with freeduino, making a NAS, etc
[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fiber^: might be able to, but my setup is by no means conventional??? I just shoved things in and hoped they'd work without exploding
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> kallisti5, I can confirm that with kexec I've got it booting and flashing the led =D.... and that's my contribution to society for the year.
[21:34] <Fiber^> i love thoose kind of stuff, sounds like me :D
[21:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> The megadrive controller hookup is an unmitigated mess, but it's very responsive
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[21:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've just got to figure out a cool way to make the controller change the LED patterns
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir_> Make it blink out in binary the entire script of a doctor who episode?
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> We'll probably have to bug Eben to get kexec working.
[21:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir_: there's a good idea in that somewhere
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[21:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> LED control with a flat array??? possibly madness: GREEN,ON,WHITE,ON,WAIT,0.2
[21:46] <Fiber^> you should never check windows pixel format descriptor if you want to display something in opengl :)
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[21:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> need 10 LEDs for a minimal binary clock
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[21:50] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm trying to figure out how I can best use arrays to store the data I want .-.
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[21:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir_: associative?
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir_> I have to build a program that can store the information of multiple items in multiple rooms for my final.
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir_> I was thinking of having each room in an array... like Array = Room 1, Room 2, Room 3, etc
[21:52] <Kolin> multi dimentional array?
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Right
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[21:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> What language?
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir_> But I'm not sure how exactly to use it or what my confines are
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir_> VB
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't an array inherently 'multi dimensional'? (as opposed to a vector)
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Basically I want Array - > Room -> Item Name -> Item Cost
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir_> But with Array taking multiple rooms, Room taking multiple items and item name only having one cost per item
[21:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Does VB have associative arrays? hmm
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> *my mistake I was thinking of a matrix vs. vector.
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[21:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> in VB, wouldn't you create a structure?
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh wait.... collections might be a better way to do it?
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't know .-.
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[21:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm a VB.NET developer half the time, I should know this stuff :D
[22:00] <GabrialDestruir_> I suppose I don't have to get fancy with it.... but I wanted to be able to add/remove rooms and the method I used on my midterm kind of limited that. lol
[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> In NET you'd create a Structure and use a generic list
[22:00] <Kolin> I've not touched VB in years
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[22:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd rather work in C#, but have to bow to peer pressure
[22:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I get to work in PHP the other half, so it's okay :D
[22:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or, rather, hurts my poor brain
[22:01] <dmsuse> can php work with gpio pins?
[22:02] * Kolin is a PHP developer
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[22:02] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't PHP could not directly...
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir_> think PHP*
[22:03] <Kolin> probably not
[22:03] <Kolin> you'd need to write php module
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[22:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> PHP could work with the gpio using exec, but it'd be slow and hacky
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir_> If I do Room = (Item, Number, Value) is that a three dimensional or more?
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Assuming that Room has more than one Item set .-.
[22:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> I suspect I could wrap up wiringPi for PHP the same way I accomplished it for Pi, using SWIG
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[22:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Structure Room Public Item As String End Structure ?
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[22:06] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't think we even touched structures before bah .-.
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay so if I do Structure Room \n Dim ItemName As String \n Dim ItemValue \n End Structure
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir_> I can add multiple items with ItemName/ItemValue?
[22:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually that seems off.... if I'm doing it that way shoulnd't it be Structure Item?
[22:11] <GabrialDestruir_> shouldn't*
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[22:21] <GabrialDestruir_> My brain is officially broken on this, I should of paid more attention in class.
[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> You could have a Structure for Room which accepts a number of item Structures I assume
[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Normally we'd use a database :D
[22:22] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: you have a problem with coding?
[22:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Well I'm suppose to be able to output and read from a file, if that helps at all.
[22:22] <Cheery> why didn't you summon me?
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[22:22] <GabrialDestruir_> But I figuerd I'd start with the basics of getting all the function and add in the whole file part last
[22:23] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I'm pretty much lost there. what's the problem you have to solve? what do you have?
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm working on my final, the idea is we're suppose to build on this inventory project from the midterm, which is suppose to have at least 6 rooms, and each room is suppose store the items in the room and the value of the items and the total value of all items.... etc
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir_> For VB this is.
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[22:25] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: what's the point in storing the items in rooms?
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[22:26] <GabrialDestruir_> To calculate the total value of all items in the room I guess, it's suppose to be an inventory app
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[22:26] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: there's couple ways how you can do it.
[22:27] <Cheery> okay. what do you have there then?
[22:27] <GabrialDestruir_> The old app I didn't bother to store the names of the items or anything I just had six static rooms, and increased the count of items and the value
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[22:28] <Cheery> show me the old app
[22:28] <Cheery> bpaste it
[22:28] <Naphatul> hey just for refference to those who already ordered one, how much did you pay in shipping?
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[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> intRoom1N += 1 ' Increments Number of Items in the Room intRoom1V = intRoom1V + Int(txtItemValue.Text) ' Adds Current Item Value to Room Value
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> is basically the old app
[22:29] <Cheery> umm. okay
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[22:29] <GabrialDestruir_> hold on
[22:29] <Cheery> is there a lists and objects in the flavour of VB you're coding?
[22:29] <Cheery> lists/arrays.. anything?
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir_> http://pastebin.com/k1tFHQLQ
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir_> That's the old coding
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[22:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Arrays, and objects can be made
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir_> yea
[22:30] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I'd feed this thing down your throat if I were your instructor
[22:31] <GabrialDestruir_> and I understand the basics of how to make them, my brains having an issue of how to piece them together like I want .-.
[22:31] <Cheery> ^^ okay show some array/object example
[22:31] <Cheery> some that was given to you
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir_> http://pastebin.com/LvTWzKZT
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir_> object example
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir_> and then you can call the object through Dim whatevernamehre As Rectangle
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[22:33] <Cheery> I'm sorry for you
[22:33] <GabrialDestruir_> and set the various variables or whatever via whatevernamehere.Length = etc
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[22:34] <GabrialDestruir_> ?
[22:34] <Cheery> this is a clusterfuck of a programming language
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir_> VB?
[22:34] <Cheery> something trivial is complex
[22:34] * ShiftPlusOne glares at cheery
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Indeed it is. xD
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[22:34] <IT_Sean> Cheery: language.
[22:34] <aditsu_with_pi> Naphatul: I paid e^(pi*i)+1
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir_> I took PHP side by side with this class....
[22:35] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: okay. lets try see whether we could get this hold somehow.
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[22:35] <GabrialDestruir_> Naphatul, I ordered from export.farnell and my shipping was 22 bucks
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, why hello there
[22:35] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: it looks like these objects would add lot of excessive code and look really bad
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[22:36] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: do you have an array example?
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[22:36] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmmm
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[22:37] <UnderSampled> Hello ShiftPlusOne, IT_Sean
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir_> I could of sworn we worked with them but I can't remember when.... let me find it.
[22:37] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I'm sorry, but there weren't any more fitting word there.
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, finally got around to getting through that Jesus book of yours, thanks for the suggestion.
[22:37] <Naphatul> GabrialDestruir_: mine works out to 28$ (assuming the pi is 35$), which seemed a bit high
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Assuming you ordered from export.farnell
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir_> the actual price is closer to 40 bucks
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir_> 39 and change
[22:38] <UnderSampled> ShiftPlusOne: Cool!
[22:38] <Cheery> IT_Sean: trying hard to not play the potty mouth there. ;)
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I could of sworn I worked with arrays... but I'm not finding anything. Bah this is such a worthless language.
[22:39] <Naphatul> GabrialDestruir_: unfortunately my country isn't listed there
[22:39] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: keep going! even if it's a bad language you should be able to do it. :)
[22:40] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: it's just little more work than say.. on C
[22:40] <GabrialDestruir_> Think my teacher would give me an A if I just did the whole thing in PHP? xD
[22:40] <Cheery> probably no.
[22:41] <Cheery> okay. so do you know the specific name for this VB dialect?=
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah... was worth a try xD
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Only that I'm using Visual Basic 2010 Express?
[22:41] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I wouldn't ever put you study or learn this kind of language. but ones who do are sort of strict.
[22:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Dim MyNumbers(4) As Integer MyNumbers(0) = 1 MyNumbers(1) = 2 MyNumbers(2) = 3 MyNumbers(3) = 4 MyNumbers(4) = 5
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Cheery: try harder. m'kay.
[22:42] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: that's an array?
[22:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently, yes.
[22:43] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I'll try, for the channel quality. ^^
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[22:44] <FunnyLookinHat> What image are most of you using when hacking on your Pis ? The debian one seems a little excessive because of the window manager and all of that.
[22:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Gods my memory is horrible
[22:44] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I'm wondering a bit about this.. but I guess you have the pieces there.
[22:44] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: oh yet one thing.. you should be able to read through and list those items
[22:44] <haltdef> I'm trying to build my own
[22:45] <Cheery> also if you'd have to remove/insert things, it'd be good if you knew how to handle those in arrays
[22:46] <GabrialDestruir_> Aha! I found where I worked with arrays!
[22:46] <GabrialDestruir_> -goes and studies the code-
[22:47] <Cheery> http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/topic/31908-vbnet-basics-quick-reference-cheat-sheet/
[22:47] <Cheery> now you get an A+++ :P
[22:48] <Cheery> because I found a cheatsheet for you
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[22:48] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh you Ba***rd.... where was this when I needed it 5 months ago? xD
[22:49] <Cheery> ^^
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Thanks.
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[22:50] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I could insult VB.NET more.. but it doesn't remove the fact that it's a programming language even if very bad one.
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[22:50] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: that means you're able to code in it if you're a programmer. ^^
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir_> I can code in it... when my brain isn't broken .-.
[22:52] <Cheery> the syntax is bit thick but it seems you can define an object, then use it as a type for an array
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir_> But it's so condoluted though, that even when I don't feel like my brain is fuzzy I have hard times piecing together exactly how I should code a more complex thing.
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[22:53] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm thinking static rooms
[22:53] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: well then.. maybe you can train that in VB and be better in other languages then.
[22:53] <Cheery> I still wonder one thing though
[22:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Then I can do an array with like
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[22:53] <Cheery> if you should be able to remove/insert items.. how to do it?
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[22:54] <Cheery> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wak0wfyt.aspx
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir_> No clue....
[22:54] <Kolin> I dont know VB, but im thinking this would be prety easy in PHP or JS
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[22:55] <GabrialDestruir_> If this were PHP I'd be busy trying to make it do more because it was too easy!
[22:55] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: aah I see the things I look for are features of a List
[22:55] <Cheery> VB Array doesn't have them
[22:55] <GabrialDestruir_> How do you mean?
[22:55] <Cheery> well things like .Add, .Remove. :)
[22:55] <Cheery> (if they are that name)
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh right....
[22:56] <Cheery> okay. so what are the operations you have to do, and what's the data?
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir_> There must be a way to make a blank array or something
[22:56] <Cheery> items in rooms right?
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir_> like Dim items() As String
[22:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Right.
[22:57] <Cheery> so each item is a string
[22:57] <Cheery> and each of them is in some room
[22:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Building upon the program you completed for the midterm, fully complete the inventory program. The program should have the following capabilities: accept at least six rooms a text box for the name of the item a cost field a file system to save your inputs an ADD button to add inventory items a way to display items saved in the file (maybe a display button) by room a way to show a total value for each room when it is displayed
[22:58] <Cheery> you could make a room object.. or then you could make your item a pair of list and a room number. ^^
[22:58] <chnops> I'm a terribly programmer
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[22:58] <chnops> terrible*
[22:58] <chnops> not because I can't code, but because I hate it when things are made easy :p nothing is more demotivating to me than finding a library that can replace half of my codebase
[22:58] <chnops> no fun if I can't reinvent wheels
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[22:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Well I was just thinking I could use parralel arrays, but I don't know how to add onto the end of an array.... if an array stops at 5 and I do item(6) = ItemName
[22:59] <GabrialDestruir_> does that add to it?
[22:59] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
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[22:59] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: so you have to ADD. :)
[23:00] <chris_99> can anyone recommend a CLI bittorrent client?
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[23:00] <GabrialDestruir_> utorrent now has a linux server, not sure if it'd work on pi but it's basically all web interface
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[23:01] <D34TH> gab
[23:01] <D34TH> bittorrent-curses
[23:01] <D34TH> and why not torrentflux-b4rt
[23:01] <Cheery> I'm about to curse when I'm trying to read reference manuals about VB
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir_> giving you a headach too?
[23:02] <Cheery> yeah.. I could say it's challenging
[23:03] <Cheery> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/3wcytfd1(v=vs.80).aspx
[23:04] <markus> cloud chat
[23:04] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: you create a List -object.
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[23:04] <markus> chat in the cloud
[23:04] <markus> IRC
[23:04] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: that should be sufficient for you to add the features you want
[23:04] <Kolin> multi player notepad!
[23:05] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: if you find it hard, you can do this all with just simply.. one list
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh screw it -.- I'm just going to start coding and see what I can make work and what I can crash
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir_> lmao
[23:05] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: well use that list and the reference I gave to you
[23:05] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: it should do the trick
[23:06] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: I'm unfortunately not able to help you further, as I'd have to stay focused yet few minutes. :)
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[23:10] <GabrialDestruir_> I am easily the worst programmer ever... lol
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[23:10] <danfosheezy> Howdy folks!
[23:11] <Cheery> hi
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[23:12] <danfosheezy> Actually get to try some pi tomorrow, had it three days but been to busy
[23:13] * huene just ordered his pi
[23:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah this is so much easier to work with in PHP xD
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[23:14] <Cheery> try get it through still. you can also paste your code if you feel like you need some ideas.
[23:14] <Cheery> or guidance
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[23:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Currently, I'm working under the idea of parralel arrays.... grabbing the highest array value and adding 1
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir_> which if it works should progress the array
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir_> The reason it'd be easier in PHP is because I have no clue how to properly debug in VB xD
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[23:15] <Cheery> why can't you just use a list?
[23:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Are there any tutorials for building your own image? I want to create a debian image without the X stuff.
[23:16] <FunnyLookinHat> :D
[23:16] <Cheery> FunnyLookinHat: yes there are
[23:16] <Cheery> I try remember
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[23:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Cheery, I haven't been able to find one by googling...
[23:17] <Cheery> http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup
[23:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahh - cool thanks ChanServ
[23:17] <FunnyLookinHat> err
[23:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Cheery,
[23:17] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[23:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Because I don't understand lists at all and I actually kind of understand Arrays
[23:17] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[23:17] <Cheery> now there we have a PHP programmer ^^
[23:18] <Cheery> well the lists are horrible in this language..
[23:18] <Cheery> but at least you got some
[23:18] <Cheery> you can do something like: Dim foo As List() to get on
[23:18] <Cheery> *one
[23:18] <Cheery> foo.Add(item)
[23:18] <Cheery> foo.Remove(item).. or foo.RemoveAt(item)
[23:19] <Cheery> that reference page I linked to shows this out
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[23:19] <GabrialDestruir_> I think I've got it!
[23:19] <GabrialDestruir_> oh.... that does look like it'd be easier....
[23:20] <Cheery> maybe it's an exercise in reading some very sloppy documentation
[23:20] <Cheery> and using google. :P
[23:21] <Cheery> (These are the kind of skills that are hard to get right, and would require exercise)
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[23:25] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh hey
[23:25] <GabrialDestruir_> that makes sense xD
[23:26] <GabrialDestruir_> VB Arrays are stupid -goes to lists-
[23:26] <Cheery> well I guess they aren't any more stupider than lists in that language.. but they're supposed to be sort of fixed-width ones
[23:27] <Cheery> it's a poor choice for a default sequence datatype.
[23:27] <Cheery> unless your language is C...
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir_> So basically.... Lists are dynamic arrays?
[23:28] <Cheery> lists are lists
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah
[23:28] <Cheery> they contain items and you can remove and add them
[23:28] <Cheery> or sort
[23:29] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir_: sort of??? Lists are a dynamic data structure, so they can grow and shrink as needed, BUT they have different access and add/remove performance characteristics than arrays
[23:29] <Cheery> mkopack: well said
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[23:29] <mkopack> For instance, adding or removing from an array is an O(1) operation. On a list, it's an O(n) because you have to walk along the list element by element to get to the right spot.
[23:30] <Cheery> mkopack: that's only for linked lists
[23:30] <GabrialDestruir_> I will NEVER use VB after this class again
[23:30] <GabrialDestruir_> stupid class -.-
[23:30] <mkopack> Right, but I'm assuming that's what we're talking about
[23:30] <Cheery> oh that class has been successful then!
[23:30] <Cheery> :)
[23:31] <Cheery> mkopack: lists might have different implementations.
[23:31] <mkopack> It's so fast for arrays because it's just a simple pointer offset calculation
[23:31] <mkopack> Cheery: True, but in 99% of the cases ,you're dealing with a singlely linked list structure...
[23:31] <Cheery> the particular you were talking about was linked list
[23:31] <Cheery> and yes. singly linked list
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[23:32] <Cheery> well.. some others might also have O(n) indexing complexity..
[23:32] <mkopack> With Lists (linked lists to keep Cheery happy), you have to ALWAYS start at the first one, and walk from element to element, along the chain.
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir_> not working!
[23:32] <mkopack> Because there's no guarantee that the elements are all located in order in a contiguous block of memory
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Dim strItem As List(Of String)()
[23:32] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: is it saying something to you?
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir_> So I'm assuming to add it'd be strItem.Add(itemtoadd)
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir_> right?
[23:33] <Cheery> yes
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir_> but that gives me Error 1 'Add' is not a member of 'System.Array'.
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir_> ohs
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir_> ffs
[23:33] <Cheery> you seem to have made an array somehow
[23:34] <mkopack> Sorry, it's been 10+ years since i've done VB so I'm no help.
[23:34] <Cheery> well it's good the List type is there. :)
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[23:34] <Cheery> mkopack: don't be silly. I have probably 11+ years since I did VB
[23:34] <mkopack> I don't remember any of it
[23:34] <Cheery> still I can help him. :)
[23:34] <Cheery> me neither ^^
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[23:35] <GabrialDestruir_> I copied code from the internet
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir_> ffs
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir_> -.-
[23:35] <mkopack> Just google and dig through the VB docs??? Hell, I taught myself how to do Lotusscript (similar to VB) back in the day that way??? It was all just copy/pasting code snippets from the examples in the documentation
[23:35] <Cheery> that's a basic thing he's trying to do. but he's fighting against the language
[23:36] <GabrialDestruir_> It's because the language is stupid!
[23:36] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL VB
[23:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry GabrialDestruir_
[23:36] <FunnyLookinHat> That stinks :(
[23:36] <GabrialDestruir_> If I had a time machine I'd wipe VB off the face of the earth! -.-
[23:37] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: lol. don't be so silly. it pawed way to better languages.. eventually
[23:37] <Cheery> ..except that original VB was better
[23:38] <Cheery> in VB.NET microsoft invented some more failures into the language it seems.
[23:38] <FunnyLookinHat> VB.Net is a bit worthless
[23:38] <FunnyLookinHat> With the advent of C#
[23:38] <Cheery> true
[23:38] <FunnyLookinHat> Then again - the entire .NET setup is worthless ( minus the C++ stuff ) if you consider Java IMHO
[23:38] <Cheery> I guess nobody really has to use VB.Net for anything
[23:38] <FunnyLookinHat> It's used for RAD in big companies that need stupid little apps to do this and that
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[23:39] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: you probably won't need to return to VB if you catch it well. ^^ Also try conceal you hate it. We know you hate it and probably your teacher too.
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't get why anyone would want to teach a horrid language like this.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir_: It's microsoft.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> Therefore, it must be an industry standard!
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[23:41] <GabrialDestruir_> How do I access what's in a list now? -.-
[23:41] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: Me neither.. unless the point is to teach something else than the language
[23:41] <a_c_r_>
[23:41] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: well.. there was pieces in that reference which told it I guess..
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[23:41] <Cheery> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/cd666k3e(v=vs.80).aspx
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[23:42] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: one thing I see is that you could convert it to array and then just do the array thing to read it
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir_> I just saw that
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[23:43] <Cheery> .ForEach seems to be there too
[23:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah
[23:43] <GabrialDestruir_> lovely
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[23:44] <Cheery> you can perhaps access it just like array
[23:44] <Cheery> did you try?
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[23:44] <Cheery> I'm not sure but this thing might have iterators as well, which would mean you can use it similar to Array in a loop as well
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[23:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Nothing should ever be this complicated... and this is just the functioning part of it .-.
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[23:52] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: that's a good attitude. learn to keep it. ^^
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[23:53] <Cheery> if you learn to recognise entirely excrete things then you should be able to avoid them while coding yourself.
[23:53] <GabrialDestruir_> FINALLY
[23:54] <Cheery> did it?
[23:54] <Cheery> care to share? :)
[23:54] <Cheery> I want to see how you did
[23:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes, I got it to add to list and display
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[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> http://pastebin.com/519EkxJZ
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> There's probably cleaner ways to do it
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> but I'm annoyed
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> and it's working
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir_> I have to go rename all the variables or w/e so that they're room specific too....
[23:56] <Cheery> good
[23:57] <Cheery> it's not the most elegant. but your teacher probably assists you a bit
[23:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually....
[23:58] <GabrialDestruir_> no
[23:58] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[23:58] <Cheery> hm?
[23:58] <Cheery> you mean your teacher won't look at this?
[23:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Ohs. Yea she will.... I thought you mean she'd help with it?
[23:59] <Cheery> I mean that she'll look at it and say "hey you could do this other way"
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea she doesn't do that.
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[23:59] <Cheery> o_-
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Justs posts the answers for us to look at afterwards

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