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IRC Log for 2012-05-12

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[0:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay.... that's a bit cleaner...
[0:01] <Cheery> I feel a bit frustrated but I'm still happy you did it
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir_> Got rid of the "strItemArray = strItem.ToArray" by just using "Dim strItemR1Array() As String = strItemR1.ToArray" which should work just as well.
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[0:03] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: what does your training include btw.?
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[0:03] <GabrialDestruir_> How do you mean?
[0:04] <Cheery> what are you going to learn there where you are?
[0:04] <Cheery> and what have you learned already
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm working on an Associates for Computer Information Systems.... basically it's a generic "We'll teach you a bunch of various things about computers" degree
[0:05] <Cheery> It's common question for me to ask about this. I've got my reasons for it.
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[0:05] <Cheery> I were never successfully taught in schools on programming.. and I really never specialised in schools to being a programmer.
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir_> So far I've taken, VB, Two A+ courses a Network+ course, Security+ Course, Intro to Computers, Intro To Business, A Database course, etc.
[0:06] <GabrialDestruir_> It's all across the bored, no real specialization
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir_> board even
[0:07] <Cheery> That's why I tend to ask people what they did learn or didn't.. in schools.
[0:07] <Cheery> or what they will be supposed to learn
[0:07] <Cheery> Intro to Computers?
[0:07] <Cheery> -_-
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Mhm
[0:08] <Cheery> what's the country you're in?
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir_> America, so really.... do you expect any less?
[0:08] <Cheery> shouldn't you be in a country where there's basicly computers spread all around?
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir_> or more I suppose
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[0:08] <Cheery> similar to other western countries
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir_> and yet a good portion of society can't use computers....
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir_> funny that
[0:09] <Cheery> would be interesting to see what's in that Security+ Course..
[0:09] <Cheery> or Network+ Course..
[0:09] <Cheery> the titles don't really tell me anything
[0:10] <Cheery> what are you able to pick still?
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Network+ teaches all the intricacies of Networking it's a class to help prepare for the CompTia exams
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Same with Security+
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[0:11] <Cheery> things like TCP and UDP?
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Most my main degree courses are done, I just have to take a Math course and intro to telecommunications
[0:11] <Cheery> or ssl?
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea all that.
[0:11] <Cheery> still doesn't tell me much
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir_> The Network course basically covers everything from dial up to fios and it discusses all the different protocols and network types, and things about backbones and various other information.
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[0:14] <Cheery> well then you should know about that more than me.. perhaps you do
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[0:15] <Cheery> I guess I continue what I was doing now.
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir_> While the security course vaguely teaches about everything from firewalls to virus protection and keeping a company safe etc
[0:15] <Cheery> preparing to get sleep and finishing the last pieces of this tutorial I'm writing.
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir_> I say vaguely cause while it went over a lot of concepts, it didn't teach me anything of actual use in my opinion.
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[0:16] <Cheery> you happen to have hobbyist background or tendencies?
[0:16] <Cheery> on programming?
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[0:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Not really.
[0:17] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir_, sometimes it's useful just to turn unknown unknowns into known unknowns
[0:17] <Cheery> plugwash: very useful
[0:17] <Cheery> indeed
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[0:19] <GabrialDestruir_> I usually tend to avoid programming when I can, but I figure I'll have to learn it eventually if I want to be any sort of decent with a computer Career.
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[0:19] <Cheery> Are you certain you don't have any tendencies towards programming? What are you doing on RPi channel?
[0:20] <GabrialDestruir_> I own a Pi? >.>
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[0:21] <Cheery> ookay.. well this would recurse. :P
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[0:21] <Cheery> so why do you own a Pi?
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Pi are suppose to help learn such things, and while I wouldn't say I have "tendencies" toward program, I am wanting to learn.
[0:22] <Cheery> hmm..
[0:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Does that sufficiently answer the question? :p
[0:22] <Cheery> I don't know.
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[0:23] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: you've set up your foot on a step that might very well lit those programmer tendencies in you.
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[0:24] <GabrialDestruir_> Perhaps.
[0:24] <Cheery> I'm not sure what I exactly mean with this.
[0:25] <GabrialDestruir_> I think perhaps, you mean that I'll come to actually enjoy programming? :p
[0:25] <Cheery> um.. I don't know whether I enjoy programming
[0:26] <Cheery> but it's like inner drive. you know how ppl draw doodles on paper?
[0:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea
[0:26] <Cheery> although they might not be interested in arts or anything such.
[0:27] <Cheery> you might like it or hate it.. but you yearn on it
[0:28] <Cheery> I guess that's the correct say.
[0:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Right.
[0:29] * dmsuse thinks your making this stuff up
[0:29] <Cheery> dmsuse: well I don't know why I've been staying programming for so long.
[0:30] <Cheery> without any kind of compensation
[0:30] <dmsuse> is it your job?
[0:30] <Cheery> nope
[0:30] * plugwash now has a pi thanks to veryevil :)
[0:30] <dmsuse> maybe thats why then :p
[0:31] <Cheery> who knows maybe it's the feeling of power that grabs me.
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir_> I hav to go run errands, Then I have to figure out how I'm gonna do the save and load part of my program next. lol
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[0:31] <GabrialDestruir_> bbl
[0:31] <Cheery> cya
[0:31] <Cheery> I guess I'll get to sleep soon
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[0:33] <Cheery> dmsuse: well the thing is that even if I think myself I'm doing it for the kicks and fun..
[0:33] <Cheery> dmsuse: I have to note that it happens it isn't enjoyable at all.
[0:33] <Cheery> and still I keep doing it
[0:36] <Cheery> of course as a result there are lot of things I just untangle in seconds.
[0:37] <Cheery> I just keep wondering how in the first place I ended up into this loop
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[0:39] <Cheery> I know I still like programming. but how to learn like something that's sometimes entirely terrible stuff?
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[0:42] <plugwash> Hexxeh, you arround?
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[0:43] <amelia_> IT_Sean: guess who has a Pi? and guess who doesn't? :P muhahahaha
[0:43] <IT_Sean> ????!!?
[0:44] <IT_Sean> :(
[0:44] * amelia_ has a Pi! And one still to come! IT_Sean has NOTHING :P mwahahahah
[0:44] <Cheery> I start to get frustrated that everybody else seems to get their pi before me
[0:44] * amelia_ smiles innocently :D
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[0:44] <IT_Sean> Why dost thou taunt thee?
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[0:45] <Cheery> lovely low level platform for all kind of wizardy.. and everybody is getting it before me.
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[0:49] <des2> Don't fret. By the time you get yours people will actually have figured out how to get everything working.
[0:49] <ReggieUK> don't worry, there's plenty of bugs to go round :D
[0:49] <ReggieUK> linux is a WIP
[0:49] <Cheery> des2: that's what I'm worrying about!
[0:50] <Cheery> but then
[0:50] <Cheery> maybe there will be an issue or another to solve once I'll get it.
[0:50] <ReggieUK> but it means there's something bigger and better to worry about if all teh little things are fixed
[0:51] <des2> You might actually have to do some programming.
[0:51] <Cheery> and then I have this entirely my own throw in here if it happens that there's nothing to fix. ^^
[0:51] <ReggieUK> 'we stole the gold but now we've got to stop the coach falling of the edge of this road into that ravine'
[0:52] <des2> More like we got the wheels on the coach working but now we have to decide where to go.
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[0:55] <Cheery> there's one thing I think RPi will change and which I'm bit happy about
[0:55] * gordonDrogon waves
[0:55] <Cheery> it will make python interesting again
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> new LUG started tonight and I demod my Pi to them.
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[0:56] <Cheery> RPi is sort of the point to why I'm writing stuff like this: https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> I demod BASIC too :)
[0:56] <Cheery> it's going to be easy to tell ppl how to pick a ready, working env up
[0:57] <Cheery> I'm dreaming it will cause bit like what commodore caused
[0:57] <des2> One suggestion on your tutorial Cheery.
[0:57] <des2> Incluse a video link at the beginning showing the final result in action.
[0:57] <Cheery> des2: might make more sense if I made bit of animations there.
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir_> It seems there'd be an easier way to do this.... like use the same Variable for each room....
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[0:59] <des2> An animated gif at the beginning would work too.
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[1:00] <Cheery> des2: but then maybe I should push it over the ledge just enough.
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[1:00] <Cheery> :)
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[1:01] <Cheery> I got a fun idea
[1:02] <Cheery> not going to tell it though.. because if I fail it what I'll do won't feel so cool. :)
[1:03] <des2> If you tell everyone you'll have more incentive not to fail....
[1:03] <Cheery> doesn't help.. but maybe I can trust you don't disappoint too much
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[1:04] <Cheery> I think that I could perhaps get on and extend that all a little bit.
[1:04] <Cheery> but outside the tutorial just enough that I can work to full extent on it without having to work on the tut
[1:04] <Cheery> then document that full, finished, polished game in the end of the tutorial
[1:05] <des2> You can do a simple complete game. Like a simple classic pong.
[1:05] <Cheery> boooring
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[1:06] <Cheery> des2: if you want to drop jaws your creations must blast the socks off.
[1:06] <des2> Well that's a good argument.
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> a5m0
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> is that a reference to mitsubishi?
[1:07] <des2> But the counter argument is a simple example is more likely to be tried bt newcomers.
[1:07] <Cheery> now why does it make sense to do a full game into the end of such tutorial? I think the tutorial is there to show the way.
[1:07] <RITRedbeard> specifically fighter aircraft?
[1:07] <Cheery> and cooler the thing is that's shown as the result.. I think it'll encourage ppl to playing out with the ideas the tutorial puts up
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah crap.... I have to make all these Arrays usable by other events blah
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[1:10] <Cheery> des2: an another question entirely is if I can blash yer socks off. :P
[1:10] <Cheery> but I think I can do it
[1:11] <des2> The bar is pretty high video-game wise nowadays.
[1:11] <Cheery> the bar was always high
[1:12] <des2> Nah. I was around when the first pong came out.
[1:13] <Cheery> maybe I should show what I mean. :/
[1:14] <Cheery> I've used to play quite much with emulators
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[1:15] <Cheery> to keep the player playing the game it seems couple same things need to happen.
[1:15] <Cheery> maybe you're correct and the bar was lower back then
[1:16] <Cheery> but I can't understand how someone would have went and overshooted that much it still gets over the bar today
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> I think games got too complicated.
[1:17] <RITRedbeard> ^ agree
[1:17] <gordonDrogon> I showed the folks a simple animal learning game tonight - text only, but it was still fun!
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[1:17] <des2> Well there's apparently still a market for text-based adventure type games
[1:17] <gordonDrogon> really?
[1:18] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a MUD 20 years ago...
[1:18] <gordonDrogon> It's still going today.
[1:18] <gordonDrogon> Not many new players though!!!
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[1:18] <SpeedEvil> I keep coming back to nethack.
[1:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[1:19] <amelia_> :D
[1:20] <Cheery> http://codeincomplete.com/projects/boulderdash/
[1:20] <Cheery> just by looking at that it really feels like hogwash that there wouldn't been similar standards as today.
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[1:22] <Cheery> it can't be just nostalgy that brings be back to playing that game
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[1:23] <des2> If it was just nostalgia such games would have died out
[1:23] <Cheery> yeah
[1:23] <des2> But they are still around in slightly different forms still being sold.
[1:23] <Cheery> that's what I'm trying to say
[1:23] <rdaltry> greetings
[1:23] <IT_Sean> greetings
[1:23] <des2> Still new platform games coming out every year.
[1:23] <rdaltry> how are you all doing?
[1:24] <des2> (e.g. Trine 3)
[1:25] <RITRedbeard> wunderbar
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[1:25] <GabrialDestruir_> Seems I've gone and broken something.... lol
[1:26] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:26] <Cheery> des2: a local games company here published a TIM clone while ago.. and tout it as an 'innovation'
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir_> No clue, my loop to populate the listbox from an array is broken.... if I don't clear the list it'll repopulate it with stuff that's already there.
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir_> I guess it makes sense, if it's going through the array each time... lol
[1:29] <Cheery> des2: how can they do that if the bar were higher than it used to be?
[1:29] <Cheery> TIM is 15-20 years old game
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Games these days are easier than games from ages ago.... use to be you got a set number of "lives"
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir_> If you used those up, start at the begining.
[1:33] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir_: we don't talk about that kind of bar
[1:33] <Cheery> I think it's good to define actually what kind of bar we are talking about though.
[1:33] <Cheery> I were talking about a treshold that makes a person pick up the game and play it.
[1:34] <Cheery> through
[1:34] <Cheery> as in how likely it is that somebody plays it in the first place
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[1:38] <RITRedbeard> games are too hollywood
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir_> These days that's all about "Graphics"
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir_> How awesome does the game look.
[1:40] <Cheery> you get it
[1:40] <Cheery> perhaps the bar is even lower than it used to be
[1:41] <Cheery> since it has reduced all the way down to "woo graphics pretty things"
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Not all the way.
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Though it has gone pretty far down.
[1:45] <Cheery> though it's good to remember there always were that 'pretty graphics' -genre
[1:46] <Cheery> which played through movie-like qualities
[1:46] <Cheery> but other genres never went out of fashion really.
[1:47] <Cheery> it's just that you need a terrible budget only for doing those 'pretty graphics' -games. :)
[1:47] <plugwash> mmm, what there are are a lot of games that have pretty graphics that look good on the adverts but make little difference to the actual game
[1:47] <des2> Pretty graphics are not enough.
[1:47] <RITRedbeard> ncurses rules!
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Indeed, that is an issue.
[1:47] <Cheery> whereas great games might end up being made in a weekend.
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir_> They show graphics on adverts like one thing
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir_> buy the game and they're not the same.
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir_> Quite a few games are going "Paid by Player"
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir_> people are going to like Kickstarter and saying "Hey I have this game idea, I need this much"
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[1:49] <des2> ncurses reached it's pinacle in nethack/rogue
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir_> They've done that with like one or two sequels of some older games.
[1:49] <RITRedbeard> the greatest game has already been made on Sega Genesis
[1:49] <RITRedbeard> Gain Ground
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[1:56] <Iota> Oh yeah, I can order another Raspberry Pi, anyone want me to put an order in for them? :P
[1:56] <amelia_> Iota: nope, got one here, and one more coming :P
[1:56] <dmsuse> Iota: yeah!
[1:56] <Iota> Heh, greedy. :-P
[1:57] <plugwash> Iota, IIRC farnell have said that if people place multiple orders before they are supposed to then they will simply cancel them
[1:57] <Cheery> Iota: order an another.. so you get to wait for it?
[1:58] <Iota> I've recieved the one from Farnell, I got an order link from RS.
[1:58] <Iota> Less than 7 days delivery time.
[1:58] <des2> 7 days ?
[1:58] <dmsuse> Iota: how much you wanting :P
[1:58] <Cheery> how much does it cost if you export it to finland?
[1:59] <Iota> Heh, I'll look in to it in the morning. I'll be honest I had asked if any friends wanted it first, but I need to get to bed now.
[2:00] <dmsuse> just put it on ebay :P
[2:00] <Iota> That would feel wrong.
[2:00] <Iota> "We're delighted to inform you that you are now able to place your order for a Raspberry Pi model B board from RS Components. Please click on the button below"
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir_> I swear trying to Navigate VB manuals is like driving a car into the wall 150000 times
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[2:00] <Iota> "Currently, we expect to be able to despatch your Raspberry Pi within 7 working days of you placing your order. Please note that we will be accepting payment via Visa, MasterCard (credit or debit cards included) or PayPal."
[2:01] <Iota> I had no idea they accepted PayPal.
[2:01] * IT_Sean is really tempted to offer you cost for it
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[2:01] <dmsuse> you alrady have dibs on that other 1 !!!
[2:01] <dmsuse> you can't double dib
[2:01] <IT_Sean> Which is why i haven't!
[2:01] <IT_Sean> relax dmsuse
[2:01] <dmsuse> lol :p
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I TRIPLE DIB!
[2:01] <IT_Sean> I'm not going to double dib
[2:01] <IT_Sean> no multidibbing
[2:01] <Cheery> this is just creazy
[2:02] <Iota> Hah.
[2:02] <Cheery> *crazy meant to say
[2:02] <Iota> I'll look into shipping to Finland tomorrow and other places, but no promises. Bed time now, night all.
[2:03] <Cheery> okay
[2:03] <dmsuse> sell it me, ill collect it :P
[2:03] <Cheery> though it may be that I'll just wait until the farnell supplies one
[2:03] <Cheery> there's lot of things to do anyway
[2:04] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm almost done!
[2:04] <mkopack> Well poo, came home and was hoping my RPi would be here.. no such luck
[2:04] <dmsuse> lol
[2:05] <IT_Sean> :(
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> EBEN HATES YOU!!!!111111111
[2:05] <mkopack> Maybe monday
[2:05] <RITRedbeard> no worries
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Just have to figure out a reasonable way to save the Arrays to file.... and then open the files back up and read the saved arrays
[2:05] <mkopack> Hard to know since RS hasn't sent out the "delivery notification", yet it SHOULD be on the way
[2:05] <dmsuse> who delivers ups?
[2:05] <mkopack> apparently RS uses UPS when shipping to the USA
[2:06] <mkopack> others from the same order batch go theirs yesterday so I was hoping mine might arrive today
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir_> I wish Farnell would of used UPS
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir_> might not of cost me a Model A Pi to receive mine
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir_> Friggin Royal Mail
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir_> -.-
[2:07] <plugwash> did something go wrong with you getting your Pi?
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir_> 22 dollar shipping
[2:07] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir_> and on top of that my Pi cost me 39 dollars not 35
[2:09] <dmsuse> why 39?
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Dunno
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir_> I haven't bothered to email them back and ask yet.
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[2:09] <IT_Sean> You got ripped, and yet yourefuse to call and complain.
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[2:10] <dmsuse> i thought americans were charged vat too.. which is $7 ontop of 35... so actually you got it cheaper...
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes, because assuming I did get ahold of someone by the time I was done getting the run around I'd of lost all that money anyways.
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Americans don't pay VAT
[2:10] <IT_Sean> Aye, Americans are not charged VAT
[2:10] <dmsuse> but they are shipped from the uk?
[2:10] <IT_Sean> Yes. But American's do not pay VAT
[2:11] <dmsuse> i have to pay vat for american customers on my site...
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[2:12] <plugwash> dmsuse, are you VAT registered?
[2:12] <Iota> This stinks, RS can not have separate delivery and billing addresses.
[2:12] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[2:13] <plugwash> As for GabrialDestruir's large shipping charge I'm guessing he bought it from farnell export rather than from newark and hence ended up paying for shipping direct from the UK
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[2:13] <plugwash> farnell could certainly have made this less confusing though
[2:13] <Iota> I'll call them tomorrow as I do not live at the house my card is registered too.
[2:13] <dmsuse> plugwash: no
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[2:17] <plugwash> AIUI if you are not VAT registered you don't charge VAT to your customers but you can't claim back VAT on what you buy for the buisness. This gives you an advantage over VAT registered buisnesses when selling to consumers in the EU but puts you at a disadvantage compared to a VAT registered buiness when selling to other VAT registered buisnesses in the EU and when selling to customers (buisness or not) outside the EU
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[2:18] <dmsuse> hmrc sucks
[2:18] <dmsuse> but not as much as my accountant
[2:18] <dmsuse> brb
[2:20] <amelia_> :P
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[2:25] <GabrialDestruir_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lego-case.jpg
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir_> That lego case looks better than mine =\
[2:31] <mkopack> dmuse: Complain to your country. the USA doesn't cause you to pay VAT, your local gov does
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[2:39] <GabrialDestruir_> Trying to figure out how to phrase the end of this email in such a way to let them understand the digust I feel for their horrible business sense and their willingness to rip customers off.
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[2:40] <GabrialDestruir_> I did, plugwash, but according to both the RPi Foundation, the price I was paying was suppose to include shipping.
[2:40] <GabrialDestruir_> They even had a tweet that said as much.
[2:41] <amelia_> GabrialDestruir_: what's your issue?
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Then later when Element 14 changed to the new pricing, shouldn't that of also affected export.farnell, because that's still shipping to the US
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir_> My issue is paying 40 bucks for my Pi and another 22 for shipping.
[2:43] <gregd> still cheaper than other boards ;)
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir_> That's a bit ridiculous logic.
[2:44] <RITRedbeard> SHOULDA BOUGHT A PANDABOARD
[2:44] * RITRedbeard waves finger
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Probably....
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir_> would of arrived sooner too
[2:45] <amelia_> Beagleboard ftw
[2:45] <amelia_> but then.... I already have my Pi :P
[2:45] <IT_Sean> keeep rubbing it in, amelia_... :/
[2:45] <gregd> 200 bucks... ? 62 buck for RPi this is still a win
[2:46] <dmsuse> its law in the uk, if they advertised it at a set price, they must honour that price, seems element 14 have broken the law
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> g! breaking the law judas priest?
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir_> No farnell did.
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> !g breaking the law judas priest?
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir_> But I'm sure they can get away with it.
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> bleh
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Because they set the line price and left the shipping TBA
[2:47] <amelia_> IT_Sean: just wait until my Farnell one comes in... I just hope I get my limited edition RPi preorder tshirt :P
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir_> leaving them free to charge me wtfe they wanted
[2:47] <dmsuse> yeah but they charged you 22 for shipping plus and extra 5 for the pi price
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[2:48] <PiBot> RITRedbeard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Law - "Breaking the Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[2:48] <RITRedbeard> nice try IT_Sean
[2:48] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:48] <RITRedbeard> we know it would have timed out by now
[2:48] <IT_Sean> Wha'd i di!?
[2:48] <IT_Sean> *do
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir_> They can still get away with it I'm sure, some claim that well the line price was actually less than the 42 in my invoice, and the shipping was undetermined.
[2:49] <IT_Sean> what am i being blamed for now?
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes!
[2:49] <DaQatz> Being IT_Sean
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir_> This is all your fault, IT_Sean!
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir_> I blame you for my price hike :p
[2:50] <IT_Sean> you sure about that?
[2:50] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[2:50] <gregd> lol
[2:50] <IT_Sean> I think if you look again, you will see it is really DaQatz's fault.
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[2:51] <RITRedbeard> DaQatz has a nick like someone I know
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Agreed >.>
[2:51] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[2:51] <gregd> can I get op too? ;)
[2:51] <IT_Sean> Okay then.
[2:51] <DaQatz> Someone you know?
[2:51] <IT_Sean> gregd, no.
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Got a specific link to that law about honouring advertised prices?
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
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[2:52] <DaQatz> I've been using the nicks "Qatz and DaQatz" for about 20 years now.
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[3:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Sent off an email quoting where element 14 said they'd be changing the pricing matrix. Pointed out that no matter how they look at it I was ripped off... guess we'll see where this goes.
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[3:14] <gurgalof> hmm how did i get voice?
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> The bot voices everyoen
[3:16] <gurgalof> but everyone in the channel doesnt have voice
[3:17] <gurgalof> aha, the bot may have been offline when those guys joined
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> Ric Ocasek called
[3:17] <RITRedbeard> he said it was ~*magic*~
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[3:18] <gurgalof> i raise the magic wand, and *foof* you are all toads
[3:19] <RITRedbeard> and if you don't get that reference, it's okay
[3:20] <gurgalof> i didn't get it
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[3:29] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[3:29] <Cheery> all right
[3:29] <Cheery> now I'm done with it. :)
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[3:35] <RITRedbeard> git? python?
[3:35] <RITRedbeard> oh lawd
[3:37] <RITRedbeard> does it work with RPi hardware?
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[3:38] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: cannot be sure. but there's not technical reasons why not
[3:39] <tzarc> yay, 3.4.0-rc6 working
[3:39] <tzarc> Simon- is my hero! :P
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[4:12] <mango_> what can I do while I wait for my Raspberry Pi?
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[4:13] <tzarc> play around with an arm chroot
[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mango_, could have a go emulating a raspberry pi. http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[4:14] <mango_> I had read about that earlier today
[4:14] <mango_> but couldn't find the resource
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[4:14] <mango_> thanks
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[4:14] <ShiftPlusOne> When you're ready you can set up a dev environment like scratchbox2.
[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't want to compile anything serious on the pi itself, so sb2 would be very handy.
[4:16] <mango_> ah nice.
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[4:16] <mango_> sb2?
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[4:16] <ShiftPlusOne> scratchbox2
[4:16] <mango_> ah ok
[4:16] <mango_> thanks
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/28/setting-up-a-vm-for-raspberry-pi-development-using-virtualbox-scratchbox2-qemu-part-3/
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> or better yet, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
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[4:22] <tzarc> now that's a long and involved script :P
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[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> not sure if that's a script in the sense that it will automagically do everything... better go through the steps manually
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[4:24] <tzarc> fair enough
[4:25] <tzarc> mine are significantly smaller, but I use debootstrap and crosstool-ng, so they do most of it for me
[4:26] <ShiftPlusOne> simpler than "sb2 make" ?
[4:26] <tzarc> create-armhf-chroot.sh <folder>
[4:26] <tzarc> :P
[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> the sb2 thing is a one time setup and does all the wizardry which allows you to do some complicated things. At its' core, yeah it's just a chroot, but it's a bit more versatile, in my opinion.
[4:28] <tzarc> fair enough
[4:28] <tzarc> although, if you're talking about a compilation wrapper, xrpi make
[4:28] <tzarc> :P
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[4:34] <tzarc> may as well look at sb2, kinda bored atm
[4:35] <tzarc> oh ffs
[4:35] <tzarc> snapped off part of my sd card
[4:35] <tzarc> now my reader doesn't recognise it
[4:35] <tzarc> <_>
[4:35] <tzarc> err
[4:35] <tzarc> >_<
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[4:40] <mango_> lol
[4:40] <mango_> ebay!
[4:41] <SpeedEvil> 'spares or repair SD card. Easy repair'
[4:42] <dmsuse> lol
[4:42] <tzarc> oh I've got like 4 more
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[4:42] <tzarc> and it still works in the pi
[4:42] <tzarc> but my desktop has one of those clicky "it's in" kinda readers
[4:42] <tzarc> and it doesn't click any more
[4:42] <tzarc> so it thinks nothing is in the slot
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[4:43] <dmsuse> i once put in an sd card and it got hot as hell, burnt my hand pulling it out
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[5:26] <tzarc> well, scratchbox2 refuses to play nice with my cross compiler
[5:26] <tzarc> won't compile the libtool :S
[5:26] <tzarc> l
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
[5:27] <ShiftPlusOne> which distro are you using it with?
[5:27] <tzarc> /opt/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/lib/gcc/arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/4.7.0/../../../../arm-rpi-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 :S
[5:28] <tzarc> trying to get it to point to my compiled sysroot first up
[5:28] <tzarc> which should be fine, considering all the libraries and whatnot exist
[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> try with arch or debian
[5:28] <tzarc> but I want it using my toolchain :(
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> try, just to rule it out
[5:29] <tzarc> *nod*
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[5:53] <xakh> hello again, this time chatting from my pi, I have a few more questions.
[5:53] <xakh> but my two major problems are changing my keymap and enabling sound.
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> debian?
[5:54] <xakh> yes
[5:54] <mrdragons> Oh cool, you gots a pi
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard
[5:55] <xakh> okay, and what's the name of US international?
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[5:55] <xakh> as in, what do I set the name of the keyboard to?
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't it just 'us' ?
[5:56] <xakh> hope so
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> http://rohankapoor.com/2012/04/americanizing-the-raspberry-pi/
[5:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ignore my way, use that ^
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[6:00] <ReggieUK> traitor
[6:00] <ReggieUK> should be at least keeping it in the commonwealth :D
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[6:07] <xakh> huh.
[6:07] <xakh> I got an error, that my locale settingswere invalid
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> you did change /etc/default/keyboard from 'us' to something that's actually right, yeah?
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[6:10] <xakh> I'm following the Americanizing tutorial
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[6:13] <xakh> okay
[6:14] <xakh> there's a weird error that is really starting to bug me.
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[6:14] <xakh> it either does not register a single key press
[6:14] <xakh> or it reeeeeeeeeeeeeeegisters it a million times
[6:14] <xakh> it just did that with enter
[6:14] <xakh> so I blew though the localization thing
[6:16] <xakh> is there ANY way to fix that?
[6:17] <ReggieUK> g'night all
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[6:17] <blarson__> I think you want en_US
[6:18] <xakh> yes, I know that, but it keeps whining that it isn't installed, so need to go install it
[6:18] <xakh> but that doesn't address my problem
[6:18] <xakh> that the thing half the time registers like thirty keypresses
[6:18] <xakh> or it registers none
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[6:19] <mrdragons> Hmm, are you sure that's not a keyboard problem?
[6:19] <xakh> happened with three different keyboards
[6:20] <xakh> two were dell, but the last one was a Zboard by Ideazon, so there's no relation
[6:22] <xakh> it's really frustrating to have your keyboard interpret enter as pressing the button a dozen times and blowing through every menu
[6:23] <xakh> or having to retype every other word
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[6:26] <xakh> so, every time I try to change the locales on my pi
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> xakh, the sticky key problem you're having is due to the crappy usb firmware
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe power
[6:27] <ShiftPlusOne> do you have another keyboard you could try?
[6:27] <xakh> like I said, I tried three
[6:28] <xakh> one was as basic as could be, and was just as bad
[6:28] <xakh> but I'll go find another
[6:28] <xakh> the only thing that could be drawing extra power is the mouse I'm using
[6:29] <xakh> it has an LED in it (not by choice, it was the cheapest corded mouse I could find)
[6:29] <xakh> but I could swap that out too
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[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> do you have a powered hub?
[6:33] <xakh> nope.
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> do you get the problem if you unplug the mouse?
[6:33] <xakh> I did before, but I'll check again.
[6:34] <xakh> I'm going to switch to the lowest power keyboard to go with the low powered mouse.
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the other thing I'd try is check that your power supply can provide enough current.
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> also check dmesg for clues
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[6:36] <xakh> okay, I also have mysterious 100% CPU usage
[6:36] <xakh> lemme check things
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[6:37] <xakh> awesome, apparently behind the scenes, apt is being checked for updates
[6:39] <xakh> and I can't terminate the task, cause it's owned by root. I don't really like sending term commands as root, in case it's something important that needs doing. 4 years using Linux for everything and I'm still gunshy when it comes to mucking with super user commands
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[6:39] <xakh> however, switching to both a low power mouse and keyboard seems to have fixed the sticky keys issue]
[6:39] <xakh> *issue
[6:39] <xakh> which was my biggest gripe
[6:40] <xakh> crap, I just looked at the clock. Over here it's almost midnight, and I have a doctor's appointment round 7 tomorrow
[6:40] <xakh> thanks for your help guys!
[6:40] <xakh> I'll be on tomorrow, probably.
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[8:38] <LFC_fan> Hi. Will a class 10 Transcend 8GB SD card work with the RaspberryPi?
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[8:39] <LFC_fan> looks to be supported in elinux but wondering if it differs by builds.
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> build shouldn't matter
[8:40] <LFC_fan> Ok.
[8:40] <LFC_fan> Ordering one now.
[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, just to make sure... what did you mean by builds?
[8:41] <LFC_fan> well
[8:41] <LFC_fan> "SDHC 8GB class 10 (TS8GSDHC10)"
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah I thought you meant build as in different distros
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there is no guarantee anything will work
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> but... it should.
[8:43] <LFC_fan> i guess will have to take that chance
[8:43] <LFC_fan> THis one is listed on the wiki -> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/Transcend/Transcend-8GB-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Class-10-
[8:43] <LFC_fan> this one i can order -> http://www.flipkart.com/transcend-sdhc-8gb-class-10-memory-card/p/itmczcrq3zfm5s3n
[8:44] <ShiftPlusOne> should be fine
[8:44] <LFC_fan> Yeah hope so
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> What Ho weekend Pi Chompers!
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[11:40] <Simon-> tzarc: did you fix the sd card issue?
[11:40] <Simon-> tzarc: it times out trying to read it most of the time
[11:40] <tzarc> unfortunately not
[11:41] <tzarc> it sees the device in /dev, but stalls when trying to mount
[11:41] <tzarc> weirdly it was working earlier today without any change :S
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[11:50] <tzarc> if I put a 10 second wait between the device appearing in /dev and mounting, it's all fine
[11:51] <bootc> weeeee! My SPI driver works
[11:51] <tzarc> Linux version 3.4.0-rc6-FX2+ (root@bulletproof) (gcc version 4.7.0 (crosstool-NG 1.15.2+hg+1.15-c8a53eb036bf - rpi-xbuild) ) #20 Sat May 12 19:47:18 EST 2012
[11:51] <tzarc> nice!
[11:52] <tzarc> typing without a left index finger is annoying :S
[11:52] <tzarc> burnt it on the oven :(
[11:53] <politoed> nom nom, finger for lunch
[11:53] <tzarc> hmmm, quite a few bcm_mailbox_read/bcm_power_request's in dmesg
[11:55] <Scepterr> hey guys, anybody using rpis as terminals in an internet cafe ?
[11:56] <tzarc> probably a bit early for that :P
[11:58] <tzarc> and now it's stalling again
[11:59] <tzarc> ups the 3 second delay to 5
[11:59] <tzarc> errr, /me
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[12:06] <FrankBuss> bootc: cool, did you implement it with interrupts?
[12:07] <bootc> FrankBuss: not yet, that's next
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[12:07] <bootc> got stuck for ages having looked at the peripherals guide
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Scepterr, a friend of mine does webconverger - he's looking at putting it on the Pi...
[12:07] <FrankBuss> there is another guy working on it, maybe you should colloberate: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/i-wrote-a-spi-driver-now-what/page-3#p73509
[12:07] <bootc> it describes the REN bit differently to how it works...
[12:08] <bootc> FrankBuss: I saw that, but really didn't like the code... so I rolled my own
[12:08] <bootc> :-)
[12:08] <FrankBuss> I think it was not bad, but it used blocking access as well
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> bootc, I sometimes adopt that attitude ... Not always for the best, however "it works for me" ... :)
[12:09] <haltdef> hm, does the "bootloader" not allow you to pass your own parameters to the kernel?
[12:09] <bootc> the idea for mine is to eventually get it into mainline with lp0's code
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> what's lp0's code? (or do you really mean the line printer driver???)
[12:09] <bootc> we're working on making the arch use device tree and cleaning things up so we can go for a mainline merge
[12:09] <bootc> no, Simon- of this chan :-)
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> ok!
[12:10] <FrankBuss> do you think pinmux is the way to go, or just as loadable module as I decided for my I2C driver?
[12:10] <tzarc> gotta fix the booting problem first!
[12:10] <bootc> https://github.com/lp0/linux/tree/rpi-next
[12:10] <bootc> FrankBuss: I haven't put much thought to that yet
[12:11] <bootc> tzarc: ?
[12:11] <bootc> oh you're working on a 3.4 port? nice... got the SD card working?
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[12:11] <tzarc> that's the thing that stalls.... most of the time
[12:11] <tzarc> it works intermittently
[12:12] <tzarc> which are always the best issues
[12:12] <bootc> oh yes
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[12:15] <tzarc> for some reason I have to manually recreate the partition entry in /dev
[12:15] <tzarc> it has mmcblk0, but no mmcblk0p1
[12:15] <tzarc> weird
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[12:16] <bjorn`> openelec image, yay!
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[12:17] <tzarc> mmm, running mdev twice seems to work
[12:17] <tzarc> eh.
[12:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I want my lego case to look as cool as this one.... http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lego-case.jpg it looks all professional....
[12:18] <GabrialDestruir_> and mine looks like....
[12:18] <GabrialDestruir_> a kid put it together
[12:18] <Ben64> like this? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y1i-6tuRvJQ/T5cL0YIfRAI/AAAAAAAAANg/Av5h15dyiuA/s1600/lego.jpg
[12:18] <bootc> GabrialDestruir_: kids put that one together... :-P
[12:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Professional lego building like kids xD
[12:18] <bootc> only kids know how to do it right
[12:19] <Ben64> plausible
[12:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Agreed....
[12:19] <GabrialDestruir_> I remember being a kid and legs came naturally....
[12:19] <bootc> wow my RPi looks like a cyborg or something
[12:20] <Ben64> i used to make all sorts of awesome things out of legos
[12:20] <bootc> has probes attached all over it
[12:20] <Ben64> back before all the fancy legos they have now
[12:20] <GabrialDestruir_> It'd be cool to have some custom parts though for a Pi case.
[12:20] <bootc> FTDI Basic breakout board, my DSO Nano, and a Bus Pirate :-D
[12:20] <GabrialDestruir_> like port extenders through legos
[12:20] <Ben64> i kind of want to make a wooden case
[12:22] <tzarc> bus pirate ftw
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[12:29] <bootc> FrankBuss: to answer your previous question, yes it looks like pinmux will be the way we need to go
[12:32] <bootc> but I'll leave that for now, next thing to tackle is calculating CDIV correctly and cleaning up for an initial commit
[12:32] <FrankBuss> so it is already included in the official Linux kernel? looks like lots of work to modify all drivers for it
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[12:35] <bootc> FrankBuss: the pinmux framework is, yes
[12:35] <bootc> it doesn't appear to be a massive amount of work
[12:36] <bootc> might be my next job :-)
[12:37] <bootc> FrankBuss: does your I2C master use the BSC unit? interrupts?
[12:37] <FrankBuss> ok, I don't know it so far, but right, the main work is the driver itself, writing something different for gpio_request/gpio_release should be not that much work
[12:37] <FrankBuss> no, currently it uses the linux I2C-GPIO module
[12:37] <FrankBuss> https://github.com/FrankBuss/linux/
[12:38] <FrankBuss> I hope I'll have some time this weekend to write a real driver with the BSC unit
[12:38] <bootc> I may beat you to it ;-)
[12:38] <bootc> I was going to attack I2C next
[12:38] <bootc> maybe next week as I'm waiting for a few i2c chips on breakout boards to arrive...
[12:39] <FrankBuss> but at least it is already working :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEbE25O4HP8
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[12:39] <bootc> oh yeah, I don't mean to belittle your work, that's cool :-)
[12:41] <FrankBuss> but with interrupts would be much cooler, I don't like blocking hardware access, would not work in combination with my planned Competition Pro access for VICE :-)
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[12:42] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm thinking that kid used custom legos!
[12:42] <GabrialDestruir_> that's cheating .-.
[12:44] <FrankBuss> I've printed a case for it with my 3D printer, but it is 1-2 mm too small: https://twitter.com/#!/frank_buss/status/195017549560291328
[12:46] <FrankBuss> but I have to design my own case anyway, with dsub9 connectors for joysticks :-)
[12:46] <bootc> [ 78.329191] spi spi0.0: setup: wanted 500000 Hz, cdiv 4, got 750000 Hz
[12:47] <bootc> hmm, no, my divider code is clearly wrong... :-/
[12:47] <FrankBuss> right, no floating point in the kernel?
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[12:47] <bootc> no
[12:47] <bootc> should be doable with bit shifting, but I'm off by one
[12:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah... I want to keep my lego case pure....
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> bootc: It's a feature.
[12:48] <bootc> cdiv should be 8, not 4, to get the fastest speed <= 500KHz
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> bootc: Overclocking+++++++
[12:48] <GabrialDestruir_> but I think I'm gonna resort to using the megablocks that for some reason are mixed in
[12:48] <bootc> SpeedEvil: heh
[12:48] <bootc> :-)
[12:48] <bootc> FrankBuss: that case looks nice! shame it's too small :-/
[12:49] <bootc> guess writing some of this code at 2am after a few pints didn't really help
[12:49] <bootc> must have gone the wrong side of the ballmer peak - http://xkcd.com/323/
[12:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Sighs....
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[13:04] <Matt> morning
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[13:13] <tzarc> well, my innitramfs scripts now look like the debian init ones... boredom is a wondrous thing
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[13:16] <bootc> hmm, is the datasheet also wrong about which clock the SPI unit uses?
[13:16] <bootc> it says it uses the APB clock, which is 3MHz... but it seems _much_ faster
[13:18] <dmsuse> makes me sick that alot of people have 2 and i have 0 :(
[13:19] <Simon-> bootc: does it state the APB clock is 3MHz?
[13:19] <bootc> Simon-: APB clock is the AMBA clock isn't it?
[13:19] <Simon-> that was an assumption I made based on a comment saying the UART0 clock uses the AMBA/APB clock
[13:19] <bootc> .rate = UART0_CLOCK, /* The UART is clocked at 3MHz via APB_CLK */
[13:20] <Simon-> yes
[13:20] <Simon-> maybe they meant "is a division of APB_CLK"
[13:20] <bootc> yeah, I'm about to try it using the 250MHz 'sdhost_clk'
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[13:20] <Simon-> the APB_CLK is a bit redundant really, I think the probe process for amba is a single read
[13:20] <bootc> it seems more like it, as 250MHz/65536 = 3814Hz, which is about what I was seeing when I wedged the SPI clock divider to the slowest speed
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[13:22] <bootc> if it really is 250MHz that means we can do SPI at 125Mhz... o.O
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[13:22] <bootc> might need to implement DMA before we can get near that tho
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> Because the divider actually goes that fast doesn't mean it will actually work
[13:23] <bootc> no, I guess you'd see signal intergrity trouble long before that speed
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> The general point of having a divisor faster than the hardware will work is that if 25MHz is the maximum that'd work - and the clock is at 25MHz - you can only have 25MHz, or 12MHz
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> So if you have a 125M clock, you can select 25MHz, 21MHz, 29MHz, ...
[13:24] <Simon-> [ 1.469969] stc: 32-bit clock at MMIO 0x20003004, 1000000 Hz
[13:24] <Simon-> [ 1.544460] st0: timer at MMIO 0x2000300c
[13:24] <Simon-> [ 1.617321] st1: timer at MMIO 0x20003010
[13:24] <Simon-> [ 1.690156] st2: timer at MMIO 0x20003014
[13:24] <Simon-> [ 1.762993] st3: timer at MMIO 0x20003018
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> depending on the exact hardware
[13:24] <Simon-> :)
[13:25] <bootc> Simon-: nice!
[13:26] <Simon-> the timers aren't registered yet though
[13:26] <bootc> SpeedEvil: except the divisor in the RPi has to be a power of 2
[13:26] <bootc> according to the datasheet anyway
[13:26] <Simon-> and I expect to have a major ordering problem because it will want a timer early on but I'm registering it as a device using the standard initcalls
[13:26] <Simon-> it might work
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[13:27] <SpeedEvil> bootc: Are you sure that's not a predivisor, and there is a postdivisor too?
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> - in some cases that's the case.
[13:27] <bootc> that's what it says in the datasheet
[13:27] <bootc> but heck, that's been wrong on several counts
[13:27] <bootc> there's only one CDIV register
[13:28] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm wondering if the pressure I'm putting on this board is gonna affect the performance .-.
[13:28] <bootc> GabrialDestruir_: pressure?
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[13:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Slight yea, I have a couple legos over the board to try and keep it in place
[13:29] <hamitron> board as in pcb, or board of people? ;)
[13:29] <bootc> hamitron: heh
[13:29] <bootc> GabrialDestruir_: I wouldn't have thought it could affect performance
[13:29] <bootc> unless your legos are made of metal :-P
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[13:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Fair enough it's pushing down on things, so I don't know if it'll change anything or just nothing
[13:30] <hamitron> so long as the pcb is not bending
[13:31] <hamitron> and it is not causing it to overheat
[13:32] <bootc> heh, I think its reference clock is actually 500MHz...
[13:32] <hamitron> time for coco pops
[13:32] <hamitron> brb
[13:32] <bootc> the osc_clk
[13:35] <bootc> yep
[13:36] <bootc> so 250MHz SPI potentially, given all the right conditions. crazy
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[13:38] <GabrialDestruir_> This lego case on the lego site is totally using custom parts.... or atleast parts I don't have.
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning already!
[13:55] <hamitron> sooner till the boozing starts ;)
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> no boozing for me - got to drive to LUG meet shortly...
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> Demod my Pi at another LUG meet last nigh - seemed to go down well!
[13:58] <hamitron> :)
[14:00] <Matt> :)
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> we don't have a monitor at the meeting today (it's in a cafe), so they'll see the hardware, but no video out...
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[14:01] <hamitron> really needed a pub with a large tv
[14:01] <bootc> hmm no I'm less conviced of the 500MHz clock idea
[14:01] <hamitron> but I guess it is bad wiht drink driving laws
[14:01] <hamitron> :/
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[14:01] <hamitron> with*
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> well... next month we might have the local rugby/cricket club and they have that.
[14:01] <hamitron> :D
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> bootc, 500Mhz clock for what?
[14:02] <bootc> the SPI unit
[14:02] <bootc> trying to work out if it's 500MHz or 250MHz, but it's difficult to pin down
[14:02] <bootc> my scope isn't really up to scratch
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> isn't that a bit fast for SPI?
[14:04] <bootc> gordonDrogon: I'm talking about the reference clock it actually uses
[14:04] <bootc> before dividing it down
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. it's then divided down, I presume
[14:04] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[14:07] <bootc> gordonDrogon: I'm actually trying to run it at ~125KHz
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> slow enough to see :)
[14:07] <bootc> but I seem to be getting ~66KHz instead of 122KHz as I was expecting
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at the chip at all regarding the SPI drivers/clocks, etc...
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> just having a look at some code I wrote for Arduinos SPI a while back to see what I did there..
[14:09] <bootc> well the datasheet is wrong in a few places regarding SPI... :-)
[14:09] <bootc> oh the ATmeta SPI units are simple, well-documented and easy to understand...
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[14:09] <Hexxeh> how are the kernel ports going?
[14:10] <bootc> Hexxeh: which kernel ports?
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I set the clock to 12.6KHz on the Arduino!
[14:10] <Hexxeh> i remember somebody had a 3.4 branch in progress?
[14:10] <Simon-> I'm working on a device tree version
[14:10] <Simon-> I left my 3.4 branch in an incomplete state where the sd card doesn't work
[14:10] <bootc> Hexxeh: there's a couple, Simon- has a device tree version we're working on getting into mainline
[14:11] <Simon-> there's little point continuously merging mainline into a hacked up branch that will never ever get into mainline
[14:11] <bootc> and I think tzarc is working on a forward-port of the 3.1 code
[14:12] <Simon-> no he's using my branch
[14:12] <Simon-> which is why I'm surprised he has it working
[14:12] <bootc> heh
[14:12] <Hexxeh> hmm, i need to supply some kernel sources with my CL to the chromiumos project to get my overlay accepted, wonder which branch i should use
[14:12] <Simon-> CL?
[14:12] <bootc> I thought he was working on fixing things like SD that were broken tho
[14:12] <Hexxeh> changelist
[14:12] <Simon-> meaning?
[14:12] <Hexxeh> to submit changes, you create and upload a changelist
[14:13] <Simon-> bootc: maybe
[14:13] <bootc> [ 69.283971] spidev spi0.0: setup: wanted 125000 Hz, cdiv 2048, got 122070 Hz
[14:13] <bootc> right, and my scope measures ~108KHz so that's close enough :-)
[14:13] <Simon-> Hexxeh: it's not really ready
[14:13] <shirro> Simon-: which usb driver are you using?
[14:13] <Simon-> and what exactly is it an overlay of?
[14:13] * bootc doesn't trust the DSO nano's frequency analysis to more than within 10%
[14:14] <Hexxeh> Simon-: it's a gentoo overlay
[14:14] <Hexxeh> i'll get an example, one sec
[14:14] <Simon-> so you need to refer to some kernel sources for the rpi for gentoo to use? ok
[14:14] <Hexxeh> Simon-: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=tree;f=overlay-waluigi;h=e40af0c9c1b04608136918523d0a030657d02251;hb=HEAD
[14:14] <Simon-> the best suggestion I have for that would be the offical 3.1.9 branch
[14:15] <Hexxeh> yeah, think that might be the best bet for now
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> right. time to head over to Paignton for the LUG...
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> laters!
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[14:15] <Simon-> but porting that one to 3.4 is a waste of time
[14:15] <Simon-> almost everything needs rewritten
[14:15] <GabrialDestruir_> On Version 3 of my Lego Case
[14:15] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[14:15] <Simon-> shirro: the one from rpi-patches
[14:16] <shirro> Simon-: so you are keeping mainly with the existing patches, just fixing them to work with later kernels?
[14:16] <Simon-> shirro: no, I did that already and it's almost complete
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[14:16] <Simon-> shirro: I'm now rewriting everything so that it can be merged to mainline
[14:17] <Simon-> but the usb host has multiple competing drivers
[14:17] <shirro> But the USB driver isn't going to get into mainline
[14:17] <Simon-> a compatible usb driver will get into mainline
[14:17] <Simon-> it doesn't have to be the one from rpi-patches
[14:17] <bootc> yeah that one doesn't have a chance of getting in, ever
[14:17] <bootc> :-)
[14:18] <shirro> is there a branch for 3.4 that mostly works?
[14:18] <shirro> leike before the rewrite?
[14:18] <bootc> yes, but the microsd is broken
[14:18] <bootc> so it mostly works, just isn't really usable :-)
[14:18] <Simon-> clock.clock.clk this is great looking code
[14:19] <bootc> sounds like a chicken
[14:19] <Simon-> you're welcome to fix the sd issue
[14:19] <Simon-> but I'd rather it not get merged into rpi-patches and then become a mess of unmergeable code
[14:20] <bootc> I expect we'll see a 'working' 3.4 branch long before our DT version gets anywhere near mainline
[14:20] <bootc> but I agree that we should spend time doing it properly for a mainline merge
[14:20] <Simon-> container_of is a really nice hack
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[14:21] <Simon-> once I get the timers done this is effectively ready for mainline
[14:21] <Simon-> but it'd just be a serial console
[14:21] <bootc> yep, but still not usable by most people without SD card support or USB
[14:22] <Simon-> and the rpi-patches branch would then have to remove all the DT code
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[14:22] <Simon-> my plan for USB is to ignore it
[14:22] <Simon-> get the non-usb mach into mainline and then patch on usb to use it
[14:23] <bootc> yep
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[14:23] <Simon-> if the vc stuff isn't too complex then it'll have fb support too
[14:27] <Gadget-Mac> Somtimes it's the simple things. But i2cdetect finds my PCF8574
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[14:35] <danfosheezy> Finally trying my pi today, is there a guide anywhere for setting up cofig.txt?
[14:35] <danfosheezy> config*
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[14:36] <Thorn__> Yep, send it to me and I'll configure it for you.
[14:36] <IT_Sean> Or me.
[14:37] <ReggieUK> hi all
[14:37] <IT_Sean> Hey Reg.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> hey.
[14:37] <ReggieUK> how is everyone today?
[14:39] <IT_Sean> It's saturday.
[14:39] <IT_Sean> so... ... awesome.
[14:40] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:40] <ReggieUK> :)
[14:42] <bootc> I point everyone to... https://github.com/bootc/linux/commit/073993b3f3e23fb8d376f9e159eee410968e0c57
[14:43] <bootc> Simon- / Hexxeh: ^^
[14:46] <Simon-> shouldn't you set the pins to the right mode when the driver is loaded?
[14:46] <bootc> Simon-: yes, I need a pinmux/pinctrl driver
[14:46] <Simon-> right
[14:46] <Hexxeh> huh?
[14:47] <Simon-> bootc: round_up_power_of_2 is in include/linux/ somewhere
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[14:54] <chris_99> is there a simple way to autologin to the user
[14:54] <chris_99> on the Pi
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[14:55] <shirro> chris_99: several
[14:56] <chris_99> what's an easy one shirro, that doesn't require replacing an executable
[14:56] <shirro> what distro?
[14:56] <chris_99> debian
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[14:57] <shirro> apt-get install mingetty then edit inittab and change a a getty line like so 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin pi tty1
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[14:58] <chris_99> would i have to remove a password from the user pi
[14:58] <shirro> nope
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[14:59] <shirro> you can leave password access intact. and you can choose just to login one or more consoles. seems a waste autologin on ones you don't need
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[15:00] <pi_> got my pi working :D
[15:00] <chris_99> yay, thanks a lot shirro, that worked great!
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[15:01] <pi_> alt+1 in irssi doesn't work on my pi :o alt+2 etc does O_o
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[15:05] <dmsuse> expected delivert date 24/09/2012
[15:05] * dmsuse cries
[15:05] <dmsuse> *delivery
[15:05] <chris_99> eek thats ridiculous
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[15:07] <chris_99> how come when i create a .bashrc file and put commands in there they don't seem to be run
[15:07] <dmsuse> permissions correct?
[15:07] <chris_99> ah didn't think about that
[15:07] <shirro> .bash_profile for logins
[15:08] <chris_99> oh
[15:09] <chris_99> awesome thans
[15:09] <chris_99> *thanks
[15:09] <chris_99> now it's starting up and blanking my terminal :)
[15:09] <chris_99> so i can play videos
[15:10] <dmsuse> what are you doing?
[15:10] <bootc> Simon-: I looked for ages for a round_up_power_of_2() in include/linux/ and include/asm-generic/
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[15:16] <Simon-> oh that's something else
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[15:17] <Simon-> oh here it is
[15:17] <Simon-> bootc: roundup_pow_of_two
[15:17] <Simon-> linux/log2.h
[15:17] <bootc> ahh, thanks
[15:17] <bootc> I was looking for round_up
[15:18] <Simon-> I googled for what it was doing and found a comment on another user
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[15:47] <chris_99> the Pi keeps kernel panicing on me :(
[15:48] <bjorn`> Calm it down.
[15:48] <bjorn`> Tell it everything is ok.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Its not supposta do that
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Lol
[15:48] <chris_99> heh, it's to do with the network driver i believe
[15:49] <IT_Sean> Are you using the official image, or have you been tinkering?
[15:49] <chris_99> no just the official image
[15:50] <chris_99> theres definitely issues with it
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[15:50] <IT_Sean> Bummer
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[15:51] <jaakkos> chris_99: can we see the panic messages? what subsystem seems to cause it? is your power supply giving enough power?
[15:51] <chris_99> the panic message isn't logged to syslog :(
[15:51] <IT_Sean> Aye, it could need moar powah
[15:51] <jaakkos> traditionally people just take a shot with a digital camera, even these days ;)
[15:51] <chris_99> no i'm using the official power thing
[15:51] <chris_99> from RS
[15:51] <chris_99> i believe it's this https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/664477
[15:52] <IT_Sean> What's the output of the PSU?
[15:52] <chris_99> no idea, but i'm 99% certain thats not the problem
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Okay
[15:53] <chris_99> see it always happens when i'm bittorrenting
[15:54] <chris_99> so thats why i'm sure it's a network related thing
[15:54] <chris_99> combined with the fact i get a lot of
[15:54] <chris_99> May 11 12:36:34 raspberrypi kernel: smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Ahh
[15:54] <chris_99> output to syslog
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[15:54] <jaakkos> i got a lot of that with insufficient PSU.
[15:54] <IT_Sean> Perhaps the network gods are punishing you for nor maintaining a 1:1 seed ratio?
[15:55] <jaakkos> chris_99: please check the psu rating, i'm very interested
[15:55] <chris_99> i'm using the PSU from RS jaakkos
[15:55] <jaakkos> i wouldn't count on RS.
[15:55] <chris_99> checkout this jaakkos https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/664477
[15:55] <IT_Sean> Check. The. Output.
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[15:55] <IT_Sean> Okay, okay.
[15:56] <jaakkos> i got tons of those when i used an insufficient psu.
[15:56] <chris_99> you'll get tons of those anyway
[15:56] <chris_99> as its a problem with the driver i think
[15:57] <jaakkos> agreed, i still got it sometimes.
[15:57] <chris_99> try bittorrenting
[15:57] <chris_99> and youll probably see it panic
[15:57] <chris_99> when it starts downloading fast
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[15:59] <jaakkos> currently rs lists 1.2A PSUs in R-Pi accessories, that should be quite plenty
[15:59] <chris_99> indeed
[15:59] <jaakkos> (unless they changed it)
[16:00] <chris_99> the problem is the panic message isn't very helpful either
[16:00] <chris_99> as some of it is probably lost "above" the screen
[16:01] <jaakkos> try shift-pageup
[16:01] <chris_99> i'll give that a shot when it does it again
[16:01] <chris_99> and i'll take a photo of it
[16:01] <jaakkos> alright :)
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[16:12] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: hey
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
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[16:14] <dmsuse> hi double dibber :P
[16:15] <IT_Sean> o_O
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[16:17] <dmsuse> been reading on the forum people have had their pi's arrive with dead usb ports, that's goda hurt :P
[16:17] <IT_Sean> There have been SMALL number of USB issues, yes.
[16:18] <IT_Sean> And I am sure it does suck.
[16:18] <Thorn__> like IT_Sean after a few beers
[16:18] <IT_Sean> I would be very upset if I waited MONTHS for a pi, only to get a defective one
[16:19] <IT_Sean> Thorn__: Thats just inaproperate. And completly untrue.
[16:19] <IT_Sean> Thorn__ is forgetting that IT_Sean does not drink beer
[16:20] <dmsuse> wine??
[16:20] <IT_Sean> No.
[16:20] <dmsuse> alcopops!
[16:21] <chris_99> spirits?
[16:21] <IT_Sean> What?
[16:21] <dmsuse> ima make an ibc container of wine :P
[16:21] * IT_Sean doesnt drink
[16:21] <dmsuse> as soona s i learn how..
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[16:22] <chris_99> ibc? dmsuse
[16:22] <dmsuse> 1000 litre container :P
[16:22] <chris_99> haha
[16:22] <chris_99> that's going to be difficult
[16:22] <IT_Sean> O_O
[16:22] <dmsuse> aww i hope not
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> Just need enough rapes.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> grapes
[16:23] <dmsuse> :D
[16:24] <chris_99> i'd like to be able to make that much beer. but i'd need a massive mash tun
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[16:26] <IT_Sean> What would you DO with that much beer?
[16:27] <chris_99> drink it :)
[16:27] <chris_99> or i could make whisky from it
[16:27] <IT_Sean> Seems like a lot of effort for something you are just going to convert into wee
[16:28] <chris_99> hehe
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[16:29] <dmsuse> drink it slowly over time
[16:29] <dmsuse> each time you drink some it'll be stronger :D
[16:30] <chris_99> do you make wine at the moment dmsuse?
[16:30] <dmsuse> nah
[16:30] <dmsuse> i need to learn how first :P
[16:30] <IT_Sean> I used to have a neighbor that made wine
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[16:30] <chris_99> ah, i make 5 gallons of beer at the mo' but that gets drunk pretty fast
[16:30] <dmsuse> cool
[16:31] <dmsuse> how do you make it and how long does it take?
[16:31] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: im guessing you never sampled any :P
[16:31] <chris_99> i make it from the grain, using an electric mash tun
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[16:31] <IT_Sean> Nope
[16:32] <chris_99> it takes a day to make it, then around 4 days to ferment
[16:32] <dmsuse> thats quick!
[16:32] <chris_99> then i bottle it
[16:32] <dmsuse> grain of what?
[16:32] <chris_99> and then leave it for a couple of weeks
[16:32] <chris_99> barley
[16:32] <dmsuse> ah :D
[16:33] <chris_99> theres so many different types though
[16:33] <dmsuse> is there a way to do it without a mash tun?
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[16:36] <chris_99> well you can use a pan to boil stuff up
[16:36] <chris_99> but you ideally want something big
[16:37] <chris_99> which is why i've got this electric bucket for it
[16:37] * SpeedEvil looks at his 15l stock pan.
[16:37] <oldtopman> What are we cooking?
[16:37] <dmsuse> cool
[16:38] * oldtopman has a cast iron skillet
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Beer.
[16:38] <chris_99> beer!
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: I have 3.
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Pwnt
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: I'm occasionally feeling really crap when cooking.
[16:38] <oldtopman> SpeedEvil: Oh?
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: It's nice that there is absolutely no way to screw it up that can't be fixed with a few moments with a sander.
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> (Chronic fatigue syndrome)
[16:39] <oldtopman> Yeah, ain't that right.
[16:39] * oldtopman is from the south
[16:39] <oldtopman> Due to the huge size, you can heat em up with anything. Heat source doesn't even matter.
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> And it works really well on my induction stove.
[16:40] <oldtopman> Yeah, I thought they would.
[16:40] * IT_Sean used to work in a restaurant. Important lesson: cast iron cookware that is hot enough to burn fingers off looks exactly like room temperature cast iron cookware
[16:40] <oldtopman> How is the induction stove anyway?
[16:40] <oldtopman> IT_Sean: :o
[16:40] * oldtopman has a regular old gas one
[16:41] <IT_Sean> oldtopman: While I never burnt anything OFF,I did burn the hell out of my hands on several occasions
[16:42] <oldtopman> aws
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: great
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: It has several nice features - gas is ~50% efficient.
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[16:44] <oldtopman> D:
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: This means ~50% of the heat goes into the room - and you also need ventilation to take away hte steam from the combustion.
[16:44] <oldtopman> But what's more efficient is not to have to spend ~1000$
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: Well.
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: I cheated.
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> I got a 4-ring induction stove for 20 quid.
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[16:45] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: Pull ceramic hob out of skip.
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[16:45] <SpeedEvil> oldtopman: Buy broken hob with smashed top on ebay.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Buy tube of silicone to attach the two.
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[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Rig up a tube-cutter to cut some plugs of the broken top, and fit into the 'new' one with the silicon.
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> Job done.
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> (to fill up the knob holes)
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[16:47] <SpeedEvil> I kinda want to properly computerise it.
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[16:48] <SpeedEvil> So I can have a little sensor I can stick to a pan lid, and have it just maintain 98C on the pan-lid.
[16:51] <oldtopman> SpeedEvil: You bastard.
[16:51] <oldtopman> That's brilliant.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can use a porcelain ceramic tile.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> One of the expensive sort.
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[16:58] <ready> the rasperry pi is gay ;(
[16:58] <ready> +b
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[16:59] <SpeedEvil> I think some pis are bi.
[17:01] <DaQatz> All the pi's are bi-endian. They just install little endian by default.
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[17:36] <dagb> SpeedEvil: google 'thermador freedom', for a cool induction cooktop
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[17:54] <Hexxeh> anyone know what libWFC.so is exactly?
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[18:02] <mattltm> Hi all :)
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[18:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've got a binary clock running from my Pi
[18:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> 10 leds, 4 for the hours, 6 for minutes
[18:04] <mattltm> Can anyone give me a hand to get a webcam working with the Pi?
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[18:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> mattltm: Yikes! good luck??? are you having trouble with getting the Pi to see it, or trouble getting it to work in Linux?
[18:05] <mattltm> Getting the Pi to see it.
[18:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Do you get anything in dmesg when you connect it, and sudo lsusb?
[18:06] <mattltm> Bus 001 Device 008: ID 046d:0825 Logitech, Inc. Webcam C270
[18:06] <mattltm> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04d9:a01c Holtek Semiconductor, Inc.
[18:06] <mattltm> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp.
[18:06] <mattltm> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp.
[18:06] <mattltm> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[18:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Looks like it'll be a driver issue then
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[18:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, which linux distro?
[18:08] <Kolin> mattltm: http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.674.2
[18:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> That webcam is in the supported list here: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/
[18:09] <mattltm> Cool. Ta :)
[18:09] <mattltm> I guess I need to find a program to test it with.
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> does /dev/video0 exist?
[18:10] <mattltm> Hi Mr SpeedEvil :)
[18:10] <mattltm> No
[18:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've run out of pins to add seconds to my clock :(
[18:11] <mattltm> That makes me sad :(
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[18:11] <Kolin> multiplex!
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> mattltm: when you plug it in - do you get info on syslog
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[18:12] <SpeedEvil> stuff like 'logitech webcam ...'
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> You do have the appropriate driver installed?
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[18:14] <dmsuse> anyone have a spare pi to sell me :P
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[18:14] <mattltm> May 12 17:12:35 raspberrypi kernel: usb 1-1.2: new high speed USB device number 7 using dwc_otg
[18:14] <mattltm> May 12 17:12:36 raspberrypi kernel: usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=04 6d, idProduct=0825
[18:14] <mattltm> May 12 17:12:36 raspberrypi kernel: usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Pr oduct=0, SerialNumber=2
[18:14] <mattltm> May 12 17:12:36 raspberrypi kernel: usb 1-1.2: SerialNumber: 97543CA0
[18:14] <mattltm> May 12 17:12:37 raspberrypi kernel: 7:3:3: cannot set freq 32000 to ep 0x86
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[18:15] <dmsuse> just cat /dev/video to test it...
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: we all want a spare Pi, I think :D
[18:16] <dmsuse> i dont want a spare
[18:16] <dmsuse> i want A :P
[18:16] <dmsuse> i dont have one :(
[18:16] <dmsuse> nevermind i re-read what you wrote :P
[18:17] <mattltm> :)
[18:17] <dmsuse> omg i cant believe howeasy it is to root android
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> If they weren't limited to 1 per customer, I'd certainly have ordered 2 or more
[18:19] <dmsuse> why?
[18:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> 'cos they're cheap and yanking all the stuff off the GPIO port when I randomly decide I want to briefly do something else with one is irritating!
[18:20] <dmsuse> lol
[18:20] <dmsuse> what do you have your gpio's doing?
[18:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I had a megadrive controller wired up and working yesterday for luls, now running 10 leds as a binary clock
[18:20] <dmsuse> lol nice
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm waiting for a good breakout board that doesn't require soldering so I can do some more interesting stuff
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> I fail hard at soldering and have to get my wife to do it :(
[18:21] <dmsuse> heh
[18:21] <dmsuse> cant you just get a breadboard?
[18:21] <Kolin> out soldered by the wife, emabarrassing
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Kolin: truth :(
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: I need a proper breakout board for driving higher voltage/current stuff
[18:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although a lot of people seem to be erring on the side of the Arduino as such a board
[18:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Using the Pi for the thinking and the Arduino+Shields to do the grunt work
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: cat /dev/video is deprecated - it does not work on most modern drivers
[18:27] <dmsuse> that's impossible
[18:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> What happens if I add a resistor in the ground line? :D
[18:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, very dim LEDs??? exactly what I expected, wheee
[18:32] <dmsuse> :o
[18:33] <Kolin> Gadgetoid_Air: wire it up to the mains for super bright LEDs!
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[18:35] <dmsuse> ac power is soooo 20 years ago
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[18:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Kolin: I couldn't spread the LED pins far enough apart to get it into a mains socket :(
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[18:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> I once took a length of copper wire, plugged it into a kettle lead and connected it to the mains
[18:38] <Kolin> :(
[18:38] <Kolin> why? :/
[18:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> I was a slightly insane kid
[18:39] <dmsuse> it burn?
[18:39] <Meatballs> fuse go?
[18:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think it lasted just long enough to partially vaporise the wire before the fuse blew
[18:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn fuse!
[18:39] <Meatballs> replace that with a piece of copper wire instead next time
[18:40] <Kolin> stick a nail in it
[18:40] <dmsuse> Gadgetoid_Air: do u use any software to plan your circuits?
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[18:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: Haha??? no I just shove things in and cross my fingers, I'm an electronics noob
[18:41] <dmsuse> you fo realz?
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[18:42] <Syliss> i wonder how fast rs will ship since they sent out the limited codes out yesterday
[18:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: yeah, I've somehow avoided electronics for years, I'm not sure how
[18:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's right up my street, but I never had time for it
[18:43] <mattltm> Got mine in 3 days after I paid from RS.
[18:44] <Syliss> mattltm: what country?
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[18:44] <dmsuse> there is sooo much i wanna make, but i aint got a clue about electronics
[18:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Blast, I had one of my leds hooked up to a dud pin
[18:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Why are there dud pins??? so wasteful :( waah
[18:45] <chris_99> what driver/software are you using Gadgetoid
[18:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> chris_99: I'm writing all the control code in Ruby, using a wrapped WiringPi library to control the GPIO
[18:46] <chris_99> oh i'd not heard of WIringPi
[18:46] <chris_99> thx
[18:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bloatastic, but the syntax is nice
[18:46] <mattltm> UK
[18:46] <Syliss> mattltm: ah I'm in the US
[18:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> WiringPi has a nice command-line counterpart, a gpio binary so you can do: gpio write 0 1
[18:46] <dmsuse> what does write 0 1 actually do?
[18:46] <chris_99> i'm sort of looking for a C interface to program with
[18:47] <mattltm> Still can't get this damn webcam working :(
[18:47] <Syliss> so how well does java and flash work on the pi?
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[18:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> chris_99: you can use wiringpi in C, just link it to your program, sorted!
[18:48] <gurgalof> rtl_tcp 2M samples on the rasperberry pi did work for 10 seconds, then the pi crashed
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[18:48] <zgreg> Syliss: flash does not work at all
[18:49] <Syliss> zgreg: good to know
[18:50] <zgreg> you don't actually need a library to talk to GPIO, it's all exposed through a simple sysfs interface
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[18:52] <chris_99> oh interesting zgreg
[18:52] <chris_99> have you got any examples
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[18:54] <zgreg> just read the source to the python library to find out
[18:54] <zgreg> it's very, very little code
[18:55] <chris_99> to what python library?
[18:56] <rdaltry> morning/afternoon everyone :]
[18:56] <rdaltry> or whatever time it is there
[18:56] <Kolin> evening rdaltry :D
[18:57] <rdaltry> hey Kolin :]
[18:59] <chris_99> anyone got any ideas what could cause this kernel panic http://imgur.com/t9oFQ
[18:59] <chris_99> i'm afraid that's all there is
[18:59] <chris_99> which probably isn't too helpful
[19:01] <zgreg> chris_99: a python wrapper for easy gpio access, available, err, somewhere
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[19:02] <chris_99> thanks
[19:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm using a library wrapped up as a ruby module wrapped up in a ruby class :D
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[19:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Planning to add a write buffer, though, to smooth out any writes to 0 which are subsequently overridden with 1
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[19:39] <tech2077> just was able to order my raspberry pi
[19:39] <tech2077> whats the average wait time for RS orders?
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[19:40] <tech2077> i requested interest seconds after RS became accessible
[19:40] <tech2077> that morning was hell
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> What Ho good followers of the Pi!
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[19:43] <FireSlash> The wiki's a bit of a mess so I've had trouble finding the answer to this: The ardunino has some analog IO pins and some digital IO pins. What's the GPIO layout on Pi?
[19:44] <FireSlash> ah just found it
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[19:45] <FireSlash> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals has shiny graphics :P
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, one day I'll make some shiny graphics too!
[19:45] <mkopack> tech2077: Well, I was like 2 minutes in and they finally accepted my order last Friday, waiting on the unit now...
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[19:45] <FireSlash> only 7 gpio pins though, that's going to make things hard.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> 8.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> actually 17...
[19:46] <mkopack> If you were much more than 2 minutes after it went live, you probably will have to wait for the next batch of 75,000 that they're expecting to start shipping out later this month
[19:46] <tech2077> FireSlash, io expander
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> you can use the SPI and I2C and serial as GP IO too.
[19:46] <tech2077> it has SPI and I2C
[19:46] <mkopack> tech2077: so if you have't gotten an invite to order email yet, you probably just missed the cutoff for the first 4700
[19:46] <tech2077> tech2077, i got the invite, and already ordered
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> as long as you're not using a kernel of driver that activates the I2C/SPI then you can use them as GP IO.
[19:47] <tech2077> i'm wondering how long before they ship it :)
[19:47] <FireSlash> tech2077, I'm thinking with expansion already. Though I might need to switch over from 4->16s to something more aggressive
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> However note that the I2C pins have 1k8 pullups on-board.
[19:47] <tech2077> with SPI, you could just use shift registers
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm using them for switch inputs for some playing I'm doing.
[19:47] <mkopack> Ah, well, I'm waiting for that too??? They SAID they'd send out a shipment notification, but others are reporting that they received the unit BEFORE they got the shipment notification
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[19:47] <tech2077> for analog, use external ADC on i2c with analog multiplexer
[19:47] <mkopack> and it seems like many who were in that same order batch as me have received theirs within the last 2 days
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> yea, from what I've heard once you get the invite from RS, it's more or less next day or +1.
[19:48] <mkopack> So I'm expecting mine on Monday
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> RS stopped sending me emails.. Ho hum.
[19:48] <tech2077> i'm order 4830
[19:48] <mkopack> gordon: Maybe if you're in the UK, certainly not here in theUSA!
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> Ah...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> No real matter for me though :)
[19:48] <tech2077> and they said 7 day handling time before shipping
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> wow. I'm really used to next day in the UK for stuff I order.
[19:49] <FireSlash> I wanted to avoid shifts if possible but that wasn't very realistic was it.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> but I tend to not order much from people I know can't do next day.
[19:49] <mkopack> I can't' imagine why ANYTHING would take more than next day to ship around inside the UK...
[19:49] <tech2077> FireSlash, what you planning on making
[19:50] <FireSlash> tech2077, A pinball machine.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> lazy companies who don't do real-time stock control of their website )-:
[19:50] <FireSlash> Well, control one anyway
[19:50] <tech2077> FireSlash, why you using RasPi for that
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> sure you won't be better off with an Arduino to control one?
[19:51] <FireSlash> Is the arduino better suited somehow?
[19:51] <FireSlash> beyond being easier to program
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> more IO and real time control...
[19:51] <mkopack> yeah. Arduinos will give you MUCH finer timings on things than an RPi will because it's not having to run a huge Linux OS stack
[19:51] <mkopack> Plus a lot more analog and digital IO pins (assuming you go with a Mega)
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[19:52] <tech2077> yep
[19:52] <mkopack> interrupts, etc.
[19:52] <FireSlash> But I lose a lot of those pins to SD, sound, and other basic services the raspi already has, which was my original driving factor
[19:52] <zgreg> a pinball machine, that's a quite ambitious idea
[19:53] <tech2077> then use an arm
[19:53] <mkopack> So why not use the two together?
[19:53] <tech2077> or two mega
[19:53] <mkopack> they actually work VERY well together
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[19:53] <zgreg> FireSlash: you should use the raspi for the high-level tasks and the MCU/arduino for the low level stuff
[19:53] <mkopack> ^^^^^
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[19:53] <tech2077> well, sound and SD aren't taxing
[19:54] <mkopack> Play each to their strengths
[19:54] <tech2077> true
[19:54] <mkopack> And honestly, with a Mega, you have so many damn IO's I doubt you'd use them all even if you DID do sound + SD through it
[19:54] <mkopack> It's, what, 54 digital IO and another 16 or something analog in?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, megas live up to their name!
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> and lots of PWM too.
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[19:55] <mkopack> I was amazed when I went from an Uno to a Mega for my robotics projects
[19:55] <mkopack> yup
[19:55] <FireSlash> My other concern on the arduino was processing power after adding sd+sound, not familiar with the ATMega performance but I'd need pretty fast polling to monitor the switch matrix properly
[19:55] <zgreg> well, if you've ever seen an old-school pinball machine, 54 I/Os is nothing ;)
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> don't poll, use interrupts.
[19:55] <FireSlash> But I guess they're cheap enough that I might as well just try it
[19:55] <mkopack> Polling??? Use INTERRUPTS!
[19:55] <mkopack> and the Mega will do that
[19:55] <tech2077> yep
[19:55] <zgreg> but you can multiplex, or use smaller MCUs as I/O hubs
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[19:56] <Hexxeh> cloning kernel sources is painful, so very painful, even on a relatively fast home connection (20mbit)
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I have a nice little task scheduller I wrote for the arduinos - must get round to putting it online at some point.
[19:56] <zgreg> Hexxeh: did you ever clone android? :D
[19:56] <mkopack> Hexxeh: hehe I bet
[19:56] <zgreg> AOSP is HUGE
[19:57] <Hexxeh> zgreg: yeah, not on my home connection though
[19:57] <zgreg> the ICS source tree is many gigabytes big
[19:57] <mkopack> Ugh??? I'm SO close to being done with the first part of my next assignment, but the math is eluding me at the moment. Think I might need to step away for a bit and come back to it later
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> FireSlash, do you have the pinball hardware?
[19:57] <Hexxeh> zgreg: i usually work on a remote 10gbit box where everything feels instant, i've done aosp on there before and it was pretty damn quick
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[19:57] <Hexxeh> downloading everything for chromeos to my local machine for slightly faster rpi testing
[19:57] <FireSlash> gordonDrogon, I'll be ordering more for this project, but I have a working machine I can test against. Just need to order the MOLEX connectors to wire up test interfaces
[19:57] <zgreg> 10 gbit internet access? that's pretty awesome
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> FireSlash, sounds good then!
[19:58] <zgreg> but I bet there are few hosts who can keep up with that
[19:58] <lbm> any (hopefully good) news on the class 10 issue?
[19:58] <Hexxeh> zgreg: you'd be surprised
[19:58] <Hexxeh> github can't, i usually top out at like 15-16MB/s from them
[19:58] <Hexxeh> but google's servers generally can, and that's where i do most of my transfer from
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> heh... different worlds - I run a little hosting ISP and I only have a 100Mb feed...
[19:58] <zgreg> they keep up with 10 gbps?
[19:59] <FireSlash> The first task will just be replacing the MPU alone, reusing the built in switch matrix and solenoid board. I need a few decoders but overall it should be easy enough to build since the voltages match
[19:59] <zgreg> I mean that's about a gigabyte per second...
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> it's a BIG disk array that can deliver that speed...
[19:59] <Hexxeh> derp. it's a 10gbit pipe, but yeah sorry, not seen anyone keep up with that.
[20:00] <Hexxeh> got mixed up for a sec there. most i've seen is about 90MB/s from the chromeos git servers
[20:00] <zgreg> well that's still pretty good :)
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[20:00] <Hexxeh> oh yeah
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[20:02] <mkopack> Man, I hope my Pi arrives this coming week. I'd really like to take it in to the Robotics Club meeting next Sat....
[20:02] <Hexxeh> it'd be nice if it could keep up, you'd have a full layout checkout in a few seconds...
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[20:06] <mkopack> howdy Sean
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> hm. just looked for some pinball machines on ebay.... bit pricey and I suspect my wife might not approve ;-)
[20:07] <mkopack> hehe
[20:07] <IT_Sean> Hi
[20:08] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: Its easier to beg forgiveness then to ask permission
[20:08] <mkopack> Ok, I need a break from school work. think I'm going to make a run to Fry's
[20:08] <IT_Sean> What for?
[20:08] <mkopack> see what they have, putter around a bit...
[20:08] <mkopack> I'd go mow the lawn, but it looks like it's going to rain any second
[20:08] <IT_Sean> Awsome.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. no nice electronics bits shops in the UK anymore...
[20:09] <mkopack> Maybe pick up an HDMI switch box if they have one cheap so I can plug the RPI(s) and Pandaboard into the monitor at the same time
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> Maplin has gone all pre-built mostly.
[20:09] <mkopack> the less plugging and unplugging I have to do with the RPi the better I think
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> and my nearest Maplin is 30 miles away.
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[20:10] <mkopack> Really need to finish this assignment this weekend so I'm free and clear to play Diablo 3 all week :)
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, haha... you don't know my wife :)
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[20:11] <mkopack> Ok, later gang!
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[20:12] <Hexxeh> got all the ebuilds for the raspberry pi nailed i think
[20:12] <Hexxeh> i say all, there are only like 3 for now
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, actually she'd be ok - she's just spent a small fortune on new toys for herself - she''s now a Samsung girl.. (pad and phone)
[20:12] <IT_Sean> Buy it
[20:12] <Hexxeh> raspberrypi-kernel, opengles-bin (opengles already exists to provide headers) and chromeos-bsp-raspberrypi
[20:12] <Hexxeh> plus the virtuals
[20:12] <Hexxeh> swapped the build over to hardfp too
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> hm. must unpack my Pi after the last 2 days of demos at LUG meets!
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[20:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Well Pi is happily driving 12 leds now
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, more power!
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Does it do anything intelligent with them?
[20:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Anyone know how to grab the filename used in a save dialog on Visual Basic?
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> actually, there's a challenge - can I get 17 LEDs on my breadboard...
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Nyet.
[20:17] <IT_Sean> Why 17?
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> 17 GPIO pins.
[20:18] <IT_Sean> Ooh
[20:18] <IT_Sean> Do eeet
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> have to turn serial off at boot time.
[20:19] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[20:20] <Kolin> gordonDrogon: multiplex them
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> charlieplex...
[20:21] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:22] <Kolin> :)
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[20:23] <chris_99> does anyone have a link to the Python wrapper
[20:23] <chris_99> for the GPIO
[20:25] <Kolin> google has
[20:26] <chris_99> well it didn't show it to me
[20:26] <Kolin> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/python-gpio-module
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[20:27] <aditsu_with_pi> hello again everybody :)
[20:27] <dmsuse> hey
[20:27] <aditsu_with_pi> wanna run some command on my pi? :p
[20:28] <aditsu_with_pi> check this out: http://pi.aditsu.net:8888/
[20:28] <chris_99> thanks Kolin
[20:28] <Kolin> np
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[20:29] <dmsuse> Command not reviewed, please try again later
[20:29] <IT_Sean> I tried to run uptime, and it said "command not reviewed"
[20:29] <dmsuse> same here IT_Sean lol
[20:29] <aditsu_with_pi> IT_Sean: try again, I enabled it
[20:29] <Kolin> ls and whoami are the only comands ive foudn that are enabled
[20:29] <dmsuse> fdisk -ls didn't work either :P
[20:30] <IT_Sean> Same result
[20:30] <huene> ls, whoami, uptime - worked normal here
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[20:30] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm watching in realtime, I'll enable some harmless commands
[20:30] <dmsuse> cant cd.. its unusable..
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[20:31] <aditsu_with_pi> some people typed "Uptime", that's not a valid command
[20:32] <aditsu_with_pi> haha, got a fork bomb too :)
[20:32] <Kolin> :)
[20:32] <huene> what are you using for the web shell?
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[20:32] <Kolin> wasnt me!
[20:32] <aditsu_with_pi> I wrote a java web application
[20:32] <IT_Sean> Wasn't me
[20:32] <bjorn`> wasn't me
[20:33] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, I enabled ps (no arguments)
[20:33] <huene> ah. so you can en/disable single commands?
[20:33] <aditsu_with_pi> yes I keep a database
[20:33] <aditsu_with_pi> it inserts new commands
[20:33] <aditsu_with_pi> then I can go and enable them
[20:33] <huene> i guess that was the reason to write your own
[20:34] <Kolin> very nice :)
[20:34] <huene> i was already wondering. because there are at least 2 or 3 web shells out there, so why reinvent the wheel
[20:34] <huene> but that sounds reasonable
[20:35] <chris_99> is anyone else having kernel panics?
[20:35] <aditsu_with_pi> oh I didn't try searching, just wanted to see my own baby running on it
[20:35] <dmsuse> nope and i doubt i will for many months :D
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[20:36] <Hexxeh> written up some quick instructions on how to build a chromium os raspberry pi image: https://github.com/Hexxeh/overlay-raspberrypi
[20:36] <Hexxeh> look clear enough?
[20:36] <huene> ajaxterm and shellinabox for example
[20:36] <aditsu_with_pi> I enabled a couple more things
[20:36] <Kolin> looks good Hexxeh
[20:38] <Kolin> you should add a command to display the whitelist aditsu_with_pi
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[20:38] <huene> and consider not running it as root
[20:38] <aditsu_with_pi> Kolin: hmm, good idea, but it's already pretty long
[20:38] <mpthompson> hexxeh, any chance you could put togther a new raspbian sd image with lxde and xorg server included? I think it would be useful...
[20:38] <Kolin> or just list it as plain text on another url
[20:39] <aditsu_with_pi> ah, I can do that
[20:42] <gurgalof> mpthompson, does lxde work in raspbian now?
[20:42] <mpthompson> I don't have hardware to test it out myself, but I'm told by others it now fires up...
[20:43] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: sure, got a list of package names you want me to install?
[20:43] <mpthompson> If not, xfce hs been running for a few days now...
[20:43] <gurgalof> i have a pi, but just on SD card, i would have liked to have more sd cards
[20:43] <Hexxeh> i'll swap the sources list over to .org from .com too while i'm at it
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[20:44] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, hmmm, certainly include openssh-server/client. Beyond that, probably want to keep it pretty minimal. X will add enough to it.
[20:44] <mpthompson> Yes, it would be good to switch to http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian...
[20:45] <mpthompson> Thanks. I appreciate it.
[20:45] <mpthompson> I have a plenty of SD cards, but no Pi. I'll trade you...
[20:45] <gurgalof> then i have no pi, :P
[20:46] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: what's the package list for LXDE/xorg, I mean :)
[20:46] <nperry> Hexxeh, Looks simple enough! Now... where is my pi to try it out.
[20:46] <gurgalof> i will buy SD's tomorrow
[20:46] <Hexxeh> nperry: see the newly added disclaimer :P
[20:46] <aditsu_with_pi> ok upgrading in a few seconds...
[20:46] <Hexxeh> it's not in a usable state, pending X drivers
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[20:46] <Hexxeh> it's there for developers to play with really at the moment
[20:46] <Hexxeh> once it's usable, we'll have nightly builds
[20:46] <Hexxeh> i'm trying to get it upstreamed into the official chromium os project
[20:47] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, actually I don't know. If shirro is around, as I believe he is the one that got it running.
[20:48] <Hexxeh> i'll ask him later when he's back if i remember
[20:48] <mpthompson> Let me get back to you later today and I'll see if I can figure it out with QEMU...
[20:48] <aditsu_with_pi> Kolin: ok, add /whitelist :)
[20:48] <Kolin> nice
[20:49] <aditsu_with_pi> now I'll check the database and enable some more
[20:49] <mpthompson> There is no hurry on my part for an image, but I think it will make some of the people happy in the forum.
[20:51] <Hexxeh> happy to put one together once i know the package names, no problem :)
[20:51] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, thanks...
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I only got 15 LEDs on. Ah well, saved me fiddling with the serial port!
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[20:52] <Hexxeh> anyone know if teh_orph is in any IRC channels?
[20:52] <huene> Hexxeh: try /whois teh_orph
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I would not be comfortable driving each LED at 20mA - unless you've read the spec sheet in detail
[20:52] <Hexxeh> might not be this network huene
[20:52] <Hexxeh> no such nick on this net
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, they're being driven at about 5ma each.
[20:53] <SpeedEvil> That's probably OK then
[20:53] <dmsuse> ma?
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> milliamps.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> ok, mA
[20:54] <dmsuse> i thought load only used what it wants and no more, only over volting killed them?
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> A LED is - to a first order - a constant voltage load
[20:54] <dmsuse> like if you connect a 1 amp car bulb to a 12v 50amp battery...
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> It will take as much current as you can supply
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> I've sucked 35mA out of a GPIO pin ...
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> And explode
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> If you give it too much
[20:54] <gurgalof> dmsuse, LEDs are different
[20:54] <dmsuse> hmm
[20:54] <dmsuse> oh
[20:54] <dmsuse> never knew that
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: more than ~5mA - and you should really read the datasheet in detail - if you want it to be reliable.
[20:56] <aditsu_with_pi> heh, looks like people got bored after finding they can't hack my pi :p
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[20:56] <zgreg> if you want to drive more, just use a simple transistor
[20:56] <oneadvent> i got mine!
[20:56] <oneadvent> also...cannot install chrome in arm for some reason.
[20:56] <Kolin> I'm just waiting for something interestign to show up in the whitelist aditsu_with_pi :)
[20:56] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah... this project is becoming harder than it needs to be I'm sure .-.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, what page on the datasheet should I be looking at? I've had a read through most of it, but not found anything special about drive currents.
[20:57] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: got a sec? (Can I PM you?)
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: From memory, it's not there.
[20:57] <aditsu_with_pi> Kolin: well, if people don't try it, it will surely not show up
[20:57] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: sure go on
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> - you need a proper datasheet - which doesn't exist
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> Typically there will be a max per-pin, and then a global max
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I even fiddled with the current limiters once ... didn't seem to do much...
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> 5mA is probably OK, for most chips.
[20:58] <aditsu_with_pi> Kolin: or by interesting you mean... oh
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> Going too high can make the chip unreliable in the longe term
[20:59] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm.. things like ls /dev are ok but the output is quite ueless
[20:59] <lars_t_h> gordonDrogon, on the Pi forum, i had seen max. 5 mA (sink and/or source)
[20:59] <aditsu_with_pi> since it just shows the tail
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> well if that's a real issue why won't they release the datasheet with the real data on it!
[20:59] <Kolin> yeah
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> the pin drives have programmable current limiters from 2mA to 16mA.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> they're 8mA by default IIRC.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[21:00] <SpeedEvil> That would sort-of-imply that 16mA is OK for one pin
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> It's probably a sane question to ask for data on, as it's a 1 min job to look it up in a full datasheet
[21:01] <aditsu_with_pi> I think I'll add some derivative commands myself and enable them
[21:01] <lars_t_h> gordonDrogon, ok, so they had said 5 mA, so they have a safe margin of 3 mA
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I really think that if there's an issue driving modern LEDs that there should be a BIG WARNING about it.
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[21:02] <lars_t_h> brb, got new kernel installed, must restart
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> just double-checked to make sure my calcs were ok - put a meter on it, 4.4mA with a 330 ohm series resistor.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> chip is sitting at 42C. (overclockd to 900Mhz too)
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> all LEDs have been on for 5 minutes now...
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm not being concerned.
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[21:05] <SpeedEvil> Overtemperature isn't the sole worry
[21:06] <zgreg> are you sourcing or sinking current?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> sourcing.
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[21:06] <zgreg> it's probably safer to sink current
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> again, if this is something of a concern, then they ought to put it IN BIG LETTERS on the forums/site somewhere...
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> because this is what people will do...
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[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Totally agree.
[21:08] <zgreg> well, it would definitely be helpful if they'd upfront say that the I/Os shouldn't be put under ANY notable load directly
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> It's quite plausible that they are designed for LED driving.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> But it's also quite plausible that they're not.
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> Ik now there are lots of people with much less knowlede than me who're going to connect all sorts of things up to it ...
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> Quite
[21:09] <zgreg> hehe
[21:09] <zgreg> well people do crazy things with the I/Os of smaller MCUs
[21:09] <dmsuse> im going to connect my whole house to it and i have no idea what im doing :D
[21:09] <aditsu_with_pi> ok I added a few more things at http://pi.aditsu.net:8888/whitelist
[21:09] <zgreg> and most of the time it works, because they're quite rugged
[21:09] <zgreg> but that's not true for a highly integrated ARM SoC
[21:10] * zgreg remembers some dude that directly wired up a relay to an I/O port of an AVR...
[21:10] <zgreg> and it actually worked :D
[21:10] <dmsuse> !google AVR
[21:10] <PiBot> dmsuse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmel_AVR - "Atmel AVR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> just checked circuit diagram.. status LED is driven (sunk) by a GPIO pin - 1K series resistor, but it's a much smaller LED...
[21:11] <zgreg> dmsuse: the arduino uses AVRs, too
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> I do a lot of stuff with arduinos... they're pretty robust!
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> not melted one yet :)
[21:11] <lars_t_h> zgreg, i would put a microcontroller between the BCM2835 and other I/O equipment
[21:11] <zgreg> yeah, same here
[21:11] <zgreg> it has lots of advantages
[21:12] <lars_t_h> because they are often more ruggged
[21:12] <zgreg> I'm preaching that for quite a while
[21:12] <lars_t_h> zgreg, another thing is it also more real-time control
[21:13] <zgreg> yes
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[21:13] <zgreg> plus more I/Os, plus analog inputs, PWM outputs, etc, etc.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> I suspect a lot of people are going to be dissapointed when they try to run the Pi like an Arduino, forgetting that Linux will get in the way...
[21:13] <chris_99> depends what you want to do gordonDrogon
[21:13] <dmsuse> get in the way?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> I really want to see what happens in that threar about the balancing robots..
[21:14] <lars_t_h> gordonDrogon, i think you are correct
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> multi-tasks...
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> I had one chap locally tell me it was the answer to his dream of CNC control...
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> ah well. We'll see.
[21:15] <zgreg> so far there's no RTAI/xenomai available for the pi
[21:15] <lars_t_h> pre-emptime scheduler + linux swap is a reaaly bad thing if you want to do something in real-time, or close to real-time control
[21:15] <zgreg> which means that at the moment it's absolutely useless for real-time
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> indeed, but some people just don't "get it" ...
[21:15] <lars_t_h> *pre-emptime it is
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> So Im leaving them to it.
[21:15] <lars_t_h> arg
[21:15] <lars_t_h> you understand, i guess
[21:15] <dmsuse> so i cant use it to switch on off lights while moving a servo motor?
[21:16] <zgreg> with a proper port of a real-time linux kernel some things MIGHT become possible... but CNC control? hah no
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> sure, you can do that, dmsuse but you can't get it to stop the servo motor when you want it to stop :)
[21:16] <dmsuse> lol omg
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> GPIO -> Game Port IO :)
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[21:17] <fragalot> zgreg: CNC control is perfectly doable, aslong as the machine you're controlling is dead slow
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> perfect for connecting old joysticks up to :)
[21:17] <zgreg> fragalot: that's a good one :D
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> it's stepper motor control that's the hard bit.
[21:17] <lars_t_h> gordonDrogon, game port I/O - LOL :)
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> sending them precise timed pulses so they don't stall and under-run.
[21:18] <dmsuse> the gert board will fix that?
[21:18] <dmsuse> or no?
[21:18] <zgreg> yeah, the GPIO pins should be nice for adding SNES/PSX controllers
[21:18] <fragalot> gordonDrogon: if you go crazy with stuff like 1/64 microstepping, that does become more of an issue, yeah
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> sort of - if you program the avr chip on it to do the actual control.
[21:18] <fragalot> but i've run a small benchtop cnc machine off of a 200Mhz Pmmx before
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> so send high-level commands to the avr/arduino and let it do the actual control.
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Anyone know how you'd read a specific numbered line from a text file in VB? .-.
[21:18] <fragalot> gordonDrogon: that's commonly what's done.. all the pc sends is a step & direction signal, so 2 bit lines
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> fragalot, it's not the processor or speed thats the issue, it's the ability to do control in a precisely controlled manner.
[21:19] <chris_99> use Python instead it's very simple :) GabrialDestruir_
[21:19] <fragalot> gordonDrogon: I know. that was going to be my argument
[21:19] <fragalot> :p
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir_> That'd be all find and dandy if I weren't trying to finish off my school project, I've been scouring google and so far haven't found a way to specifically read line 3 and only line 3 or line 2 and only line 2
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir_> etc
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> the other issue is overdriving stepper motors - e.g. the return from a cut on a lathe - you want it to go fasters - which you can do on stepper motoers if you ramp them up and down again...
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, you write a program to open a file, then read it line by line, counting lines...
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[21:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Ugh, are you kidding me, that's the only way?
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[21:21] <chris_99> that's the only way to do it GabrialDestruir_
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, I've no idea, I've never written a VB program.
[21:21] <chris_99> unless the lines are fixed length
[21:21] <aditsu_with_pi> GabrialDestruir_: since lines can have different lengths, you can't possibly know where line 3 starts without reading the first lines
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir_, if the lines are the same length you can seek, but if not ...
[21:22] <aditsu_with_pi> "less" does it too
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> the 10th line: head -10 {filename} | tail -1
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir_> It seems like you'd be able to just "Goto" line 3 like notepad can
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir_> -sighs-
[21:23] <lars_t_h> GabrialDestruir_, write a program that read a line
[21:23] <chris_99> er, notepad would have already loaded the whole file GabrialDestruir_
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh true.
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir_> Well meh.
[21:24] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir_: you can go to line 3 in nano
[21:24] <lars_t_h> GabrialDestruir_, to help you self create a function that read the Nth line, you can use that to get both the 2nd line, and/or the 3rd line in a text file
[21:25] <Kolin> still working on the room thing GabrialDestruir_?
[21:25] <aditsu_with_pi> you could jump directly to any line if you create an index file first (with line offsets)
[21:25] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm basically trying to create a way to "load" the previously saved file.
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Yup @ Kolin
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir_> I've already got it so it'll save each room into a single line using a combination of :: and :-: as dividers, but now I need a way to read the line for each.... then I'm going to have to start splitting that data up to be displayed.... gonna be a lot of work .-.
[21:28] <Kolin> I dont think ive ever used VB
[21:29] <Kolin> but cant you serialize your array or list or whatever you used?
[21:29] <Kolin> then just load the whole thing and unserialize it
[21:29] <aditsu_with_pi> GabrialDestruir_: so wait, you have a school project... in VB?!
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Serialize it?
[21:30] <aditsu_with_pi> where is that school, in Elbonia?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[21:30] <dmsuse> vb died like 10 years ago
[21:30] <Kolin> GabrialDestruir_: http://php.net/manual/en/function.serialize.php some equivilent to that
[21:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Eh.... idk
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/spoiler.png
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[21:32] <dmsuse> ouch
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[21:33] <GabrialDestruir_> So just loop it until I get to the line I want, thanks :p
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> that's not VB though...
[21:33] <Kolin> are you using vb.net?
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> notme.
[21:33] <Kolin> meh
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> That's RTB - Return to BASIC :)
[21:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Honestly? I have no clue. it's VB 2010 Express
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Odd that they're teaching it, but I have a friend who still writes stuff commercially in VB.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> so someone must still want it!
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[21:41] <dmsuse> must be microsoft employing them :P
[21:41] <Viperfang> Evening all, does the pi support 1280x720?
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> it certianly supports 1280x1024
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> which is on my monitor just now.
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[21:42] <Viperfang> My display doesn't support that
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> HDMI, I presume?
[21:42] <Viperfang> Aye
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> what do you get on it?
[21:42] <Viperfang> Panasonic TV
[21:43] <Viperfang> After using SSH to read the available modes I can get it up and running on 720x480@60p
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> about half what you need...
[21:44] <Viperfang> but the native display mode doesnt initialise, although the pi supposidly sets it correctly
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> sadly not the first person here who's had issues getting it to do the right thing on their TV.
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> tried fiddling with config.sys ?
[21:45] <Viperfang> Ideally I would like it to run at the native res, which is CEA mode 4 or 19
[21:45] <Viperfang> but the TV just ignores it then
[21:46] <dmsuse> ooo there are raspberry pi's available on gumtree, 150 quid, bargain
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> wow. they were ?85 on ebay last time I looked...
[21:46] <Viperfang> blimey, 20:45
[21:46] <Viperfang> I should eat something
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
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[21:47] <Viperfang> ... that isnt the fun of my pi
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I think there is work to be done in the video driver section...
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> going by the issues I've had on the compost output and read others having issues with hdmi...
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> I'm HDMIing into a PC monitor via a HDMI to DVI converter and it gets that right, but I have to disable overscan.
[21:48] <Viperfang> I've disabled overscan on my TV, fits perfectly
[21:49] <nid0> fwiw my pi so far works perfectly on my dell screen, and samsung + lg tv's via hdmi with no changes needed at all :s
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> just the wrong number of pixels...
[21:50] <Viperfang> yeah, still looks damn fine though
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay, think I got the first part.....
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Splits the lines into an Array on the specified split points, or should anyways, now I just have to break up each array point into two Arrays .-.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> sounds like your making life hard for yourself.
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> just read each line and count...
[21:52] <aditsu_with_pi> ok I think I'm gonna sleep now, I'll leave the pi on in case anybody wants to play at http://pi.aditsu.net:8888/
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[21:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Ohs I'm talking about something different.
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Each line contains data like "TestItem::400:-:TestItem1::100"
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Have to break the data on :-: to separate the items....
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir_> then again on :: to separate Item Name from Cost
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> what an odd way to represent data.
[21:55] <aditsu_with_pi> oh, the enabled commands are at http://pi.aditsu.net:8888/whitelist
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[21:55] * PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir_> No cd? We can't go poking around?
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir_> :p
[21:56] <aditsu_with_pi> not currently
[21:56] <aditsu_with_pi> g'night
[21:56] <dmsuse> you can use ls to poke around :P
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Fair enough xD
[21:57] <dmsuse> but he limited that too :P
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir_> It doesn't seem odd to me, gordon .-.
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> the data separators?
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> why not just CSV?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> how many items per line?
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[22:00] <GabrialDestruir_> Theoretically? Could be unlimited.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> thats a pretty bad data design IMO then.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> however...
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> it means that you ought to read the file character at a time rather than line at a time.
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> that's innefficient... but this is the wonderful world of MS, I guess.
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I don't expect the program actually has to hold more than a few dozen items per room.... if that.
[22:02] <Simon-> what language?
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir_> I think it only has to show that I understand the concepts
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> well, brute force it...
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir_> VB
[22:02] <Simon-> you could use an mmapped file and then find the , easily
[22:02] <Simon-> oh.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> there are no ,'s it's :: or :-:
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmmm.....
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/brute-force.html
[22:03] <Simon-> it's impossible to "only read line 3"
[22:04] <Simon-> what you would normally do is read in X bytes and look for the newlines
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> this is a 2nd assignment from the read line 3 one...
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir_> If I run theReader.ReadLine(OpenFileDialog1.FileName) twice it's going to end up on line 2 if I don't close theReader first, right?
[22:04] <Simon-> this is where windows makes it fun because your new lines are two bytes :D
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - I'm not a VB programmer :)
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[22:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Guess I'll find out xD
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm an RTB programmer :)
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[22:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Have to remember to clear my lists when loading a file xD
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[22:17] <Syliss> well heres to hoping, ordered the pi. if i don't like it ill sell it on ebay
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> cant lose...
[22:17] <Syliss> true
[22:18] <Syliss> will have to order an hdmi cable tho. good thing newegg has one cheap
[22:20] <Syliss> bbl
[22:20] <Hexxeh> sweet, forums have moved to phpbb now
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[22:21] <oneadvent> hmmmm
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[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> maybe I'm missing something....
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> but does Dim tmpR1Array() As String = Split(Convert.ToString(theReader.ReadLine(OpenFileDialog1.FileName)), ":-:")
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> look like I'm trying to convert to integer?
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> no idea. not a VB programmer...
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[22:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Finally....
[22:42] <GabrialDestruir_> God the loading part done
[22:42] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
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[23:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Anyone know if there's any danger leaving the Pi driving leds for hours?
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> mines been OK, but ..
[23:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mine's been running my binary clock for 3 hours so far
[23:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm still not sure if I should blink the leds or leave them on solid
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> what series resistor/current?
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Good question :D
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> what resistor did you use?
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Three different ones this time
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[23:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Between 160 and 800something I believe
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> your probably OK, but who knows - wind back the discussion from earlier if you can.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> there seems to be a big area of uncertianty.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> I've been powering 15 LEDs via 330 ohm resistors...
[23:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah there's definitely uncertainty
[23:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> but my random grab bag of leds and resistors, combined with my total lack of knowledge on these subjects has caused no ill effect yet
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> There is a large difference between 'does not easily die' and 'is warrantied to be OK for 5 years'.
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> The latter may be what you want to work to if you're building it into something
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> sure..
[23:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> SpeedEvil: truth, if it's fixed into any project and dies??? it's a fiddle to replace
[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> But I'll treat the Pi as what it is; a low cost educational toy that you simply replace if you totally fry it
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> try to not fry it... they're rather scarce right now!
[23:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, that's my intention for the time being gordonDrogon??? it would be??? unfortunate!
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm thus far impressed by its durability and stability, though
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I've shorted a GPIO pin or 2 to ground while it's been driven high before - accidentally....
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll have to write a brief roundup of my experience with wiringpi, ruby and hacking together electric abominations
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I also nearly caused some magic black smoke to leave the Ethernet connector when I wired 18 volts into it.
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I shorted something at one point, no idea what
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> 18 volt ethernet??? the best kind!
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've done 3.3v to ground - just caused it to reset/reboot... not the best way to do it though!
[23:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Well??? I am really missing the reset button
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> there must be terminating resistors/magnetics on the unused pins in the connector - they didn't like the 18V and got rather hot...
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[23:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> unplugging the flimsy micro USB to hard reset the Pi was getting tiresome
[23:15] <slashflame> hi guys, how can i add a com port to my rpi? i'm on debian squeeze and trying to connect an arduino mega 2560
[23:16] <slashflame> i'm looking for the pi equivalent of device manager i guess
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[23:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> We need a Pi reset button, a USB male->female adaptor with a switch that interrupts the current
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> slashflame, use the usb port.
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> slashflame, arduino has on-board usb to serial and the Pi will recognise it.
[23:17] <slashflame> gordonGrogon, yeah i got that, but when i plug it in debian doesn't recognize it as a com port
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> it does on mine...
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> /dev/ttyUSB0
[23:17] <slashflame> might be my arduino
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[23:18] <slashflame> nice
[23:18] <slashflame> i'm trying to control my 3d printer from a pi
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> does dmesg list anything when you plug it in?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> if you can talk to it from any other linux box, it ought to work on the Pi.
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't think I'm going to be able to go much longer without an arduino
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> you know you want one :)
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> or 2 or more...
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> I keep wanting to buy the arduino ethernet, though, and it's an expensive beast
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I don't have that - don't see the point for now.
[23:20] <dmsuse> Gadgetoid_Air: i say the same about the pi :P
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> Pi makes a good Ethernet 'shield' :)
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: that's a pretty good point
[23:20] <slashflame> gordonDrogon, i don't think the pi has enough ports to check...
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I ordered the red pi case from skpang, though, so I can stick my breadboard to it
[23:21] * gordonDrogon plugs arduino intp Pi ...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> good move..
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> usb 1-1.2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> root@raspbian:/home/gordon/wiringPi/gpio# lsmod
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Module Size Used by
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> ftdi_sio 26384 0
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> usbserial 21720 1 ftdi_sio
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> It "just works"
[23:21] <slashflame> lol
[23:22] <slashflame> i'll try it
[23:22] <slashflame> oh no wait
[23:22] <slashflame> just got recognized by printer host software
[23:22] <slashflame> thx
[23:23] <slashflame> on a similar note, how can i adjust the pi's screen resolution? the window doesn't fit
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> composite or HDMI?
[23:23] <Hexxeh> overlay-raspberrypi is now a self-contained overlay, just drops into a cros build environment and builds
[23:23] <Hexxeh> success!
[23:24] <slashflame> composite
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit limiting under composite. probably best to leave it.
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> however you can force it.
[23:25] <slashflame> nah i mean like this window in debian is too small and doesn't have scroll bars
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_width=784
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_height=638
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> OIC.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Yea, it's a PITA because the terminal won't let you move it.
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[23:25] <slashflame> yeah
[23:26] <slashflame> er i guess i mean the window is too big, so the viewable section is too small
[23:26] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> I started out on a small monitor via composite.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and running up X was a PITA.
[23:26] <slashflame> it really is
[23:26] <slashflame> terminal doesn't even autoscroll
[23:27] <slashflame> idk if my tv has hdmi though, but i'll look
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> well it does - but the bottom is off the screen by about 6 lines...
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> just keep itting enter... or type clear
[23:27] <slashflame> ah yeah that's what i've been doing but still a PITA
[23:28] <slashflame> can i hook my pi up to my laptop and use my laptop screen as a display?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> no, but ..
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> if you ssh -X from the laptop,
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> then you can run lxterminal and it will display on the laptop.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Assuming Linux on the laptop...
[23:28] <slashflame> yeah that makes sense
[23:29] <slashflame> i think before i do that i'll look for an hdmi, otherwise it kinda kills the point of having a pi :P
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> I have hdmi to dvi convertor to the dvi port on my monitor.
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> it's a fiddle to keep changing inputs - it takes about 6 buttin pushed on the monitor controls, but it's workable.
[23:30] <slashflame> will try, thx
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> might need to enable sshd in the pi first if you've not done so.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> off to zed now...
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> be seeing you...
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