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IRC Log for 2012-05-13

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[0:04] <Viperfang> Im trying to get quake3 up and running, all is good except for the sound. Do I need to do something special to use the HDMI audio? hello_audio 1 works perfectly
[0:06] <ReggieUK> you need a bag of pixie dust
[0:07] <dmsuse> i have a bag available for 89.99
[0:08] <carldani> Has anyone managed to order other stuff together with the Pi at RS?
[0:08] <bjorn`> Don't trust dmsuse, his wares are pirated
[0:08] <carldani> To be more precise, at RS Germany?
[0:08] <bjorn`> I have some REAL pixie dust available for $599,99
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[0:09] <carldani> Pure oxygen-free silver cable?
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[0:09] <carldani> (my last comment was directed at bjorn` )
[0:10] <dmsuse> i can provide silver cable and a bottle of argon gas :P
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[0:14] <carldani> dmsuse: I AM MUWANGA LUBANGA, SON OF LATE UBUNTU NEMUBO, AND I NEED YOUR HELP MOVING 500000 RASPBERRY PI OUT OF MY COUNTRY.
[0:14] <carldani> :-P
[0:14] <dmsuse> lmao
[0:14] <dmsuse> k let me send you $5000 to help you do that :P
[0:15] <bjorn`> :D
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[0:17] <amelia_> heh
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[0:35] <Cheery> I wonder what the farnell is doing right now..
[0:35] <Kolin> making pi!
[0:35] <Meatballs> mmmmmmmmmmm pi
[0:36] <Cheery> perhaps
[0:36] * unknownbliss is now known as UKB|Sleep
[0:36] <Cheery> they're just not posting anything
[0:36] <bjorn`> It's a bloody saturday evening. Hopefully they're at a pub drinking their kidneys to death.
[0:37] <Kolin> lol
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[0:42] <Cheery> I'd rather want them to deliver than die to liver diseases
[0:43] <nid0> fwiw they delivered mine this week
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[0:43] <Hexxeh> gah, this is odd.
[0:44] <Hexxeh> for some reason, a chromeos image built normally using the standard scripts refuses to be booted from
[0:44] <Hexxeh> yet, if i copy the contents of the root partition over to a new disk image created by hand, it happily boots from it...!?
[0:45] <Hexxeh> i know the binaries on the image are fine, because i can chroot into it and it works fine
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[0:46] <DaQatz> Odd
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[0:47] <Syliss> oi DaQatz
[0:48] <Hexxeh> are there any cmdline flags i can pass to enable some more debug info? all i get is a kernel panic when init dies
[0:48] <slashflame> hey guys, when i try to change x resolution with sudo fbset -xres 1024 it gives the error ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: No such file or directory
[0:48] <slashflame> any ideas?
[0:48] <Cheery> Hexxeh: can you share the images.. or well.. I'd actually need just hexdump of the first 512 bytes.
[0:48] <Hexxeh> Cheery: i can get you that, sec
[0:50] <Hexxeh> Cheery: http://pastebin.com/28XJ7PZE
[0:50] * Tachyon is now known as Tachyon`
[0:50] <Syliss> how is xbmc for pi coming?
[0:51] <Cheery> Hexxeh: okay. this is the master boot record of the broken image?
[0:51] <Hexxeh> slashflame: you need to set the resolution using either config.txt or tvservice
[0:51] <Hexxeh> Cheery: yeah
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[0:51] <Hexxeh> but it's not actually MBR
[0:51] <Syliss> has anyone streamed video from the net on the pi?
[0:52] <Hexxeh> it's GPT
[0:52] <ReggieUK> hexxeh, did you make it onto Hackaday? And engadget?
[0:52] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: for the firmware tool? yeah
[0:52] <Hexxeh> no idea why
[0:52] <slashflame> Hexxeh, if i'm using composite what do i put in /boot/config.txt?
[0:52] <ReggieUK> ya
[0:52] <ReggieUK> gratz
[0:52] <Hexxeh> cheers
[0:53] <Hexxeh> slashflame: you can't get 1024x768 over composite
[0:53] <slashflame> any resolution bigger than the default is fine
[0:53] <Hexxeh> you can select from a few variations on PAL/NTSC, and that's it
[0:53] <Hexxeh> the default is very likely the largest your display allows
[0:53] <slashflame> i just mean as in what do i type
[0:53] <Hexxeh> composite resolution sucks.
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[0:53] <ReggieUK> what's teh smallest res you can do via composite?
[0:54] <Cheery> Hexxeh: this is the fist 512 bytes from debian image: http://pastebin.com/pdySepZM
[0:54] <Hexxeh> PAL i guess
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[0:55] <Hexxeh> Cheery: right...
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[0:55] <Cheery> hmm.. wondering what's that 1a0 in your img...
[0:56] <Cheery> Hexxeh: if it's GPT it might explain why it doesn't boot on pi
[0:56] <Cheery> Hexxeh: or do you know that this is not the reason?
[0:56] <Hexxeh> GPT shouldn't be a problem
[0:57] <Hexxeh> the kernel log shows sda1 through sda12
[0:57] <Hexxeh> it's something about the partition, but i'm not sure what
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[0:58] <Cheery> Hexxeh: I wonder why that image has nonzero values already in 1a8
[0:58] <Cheery> Hexxeh: yet MBR really starts from 1b8, with disk signature
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[0:59] <Viperfang> Anyone managed to get their root on a USB HDD? Id like to but it seems that the kernel doesnt scan the device until after root is mounted
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[0:59] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: yes, but you need an updated kernel
[0:59] <Hexxeh> use rpi-update to get the latest kernel/firmware that allows this
[0:59] <Viperfang> Hexxeh: Im running yours
[0:59] <Hexxeh> then it should work just fine
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> Viperfang: 'bootwait' or similar
[0:59] <Hexxeh> set root=/dev/sda etc
[0:59] <Cheery> Hexxeh: does the working image have GPT in it?
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> or maybe it's 'rootwait'
[0:59] <Hexxeh> rootwait
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> I forget
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[0:59] <Hexxeh> Cheery: yes
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[1:00] <Cheery> Hexxeh: can you show how that looks like?
[1:00] <Hexxeh> i'd have to make it again, it was a few weeks ago
[1:00] <Hexxeh> sec
[1:00] <ReggieUK> is there instructions on how to do it yourself rather than just getting an updater tool?
[1:00] <Viperfang> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda5 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[1:00] <ReggieUK> I know 'easy' is cool etc. but learning to do it yourself is cool too
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[1:00] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: copy *.bin, copy *.img, copy the modules, depmod -a, copy vc libs/bins/sdk, ldconfig, reboot
[1:00] <Syliss> you have to have an sd card in the pi but have it point to a usb device
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[1:01] <Viperfang> Yeah, on the sd card: config.tct, cmdline.txt, bootcode.bin, loader.bin, start.elf and kernel.img
[1:01] <ReggieUK> thanks, yeah, I appreciate that, just wondering if anyone had done a tutorial, what the steps are etc.
[1:01] <Viperfang> *txt
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[1:01] <ReggieUK> on a personal level, I'm sure I'd cope :D
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[1:01] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: that's literally all there is to it
[1:02] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: if you want to see some commands, take a look inside the update script, it's pretty simple
[1:02] <ReggieUK> well, kinda, that's really just collecting a bunch of stuff that's actually been compiled etc.
[1:02] <Hexxeh> alternatively, run comment out update_self and then do bash -x rpi-update to see all the commands it runs
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[1:02] <Hexxeh> oh, compiling the kernel is a different kettle of fish :)
[1:02] <ReggieUK> I'm more interested in seeing the mechanisms behind what it is exactly that has been done to get the kernel to 'see' the usb drive
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[1:03] <Hexxeh> the reason the shipped kernel doesn't see it on boot is because UAS is compiled in as a module
[1:03] <Hexxeh> the module resides on the root
[1:03] <Hexxeh> but the module can't be loaded until the module is loaded
[1:03] <Hexxeh> it's a catch 22 situation
[1:03] <Hexxeh> so you need to either use an initramfs, or just cook the module in
[1:04] <ReggieUK> so pretty simple stuff to actually fix yourself if you put your mind to it :)
[1:05] <Hexxeh> exactly
[1:06] <ReggieUK> the kind of thing you could teach yourself about in an afternoon (modules, built in, dependencies etc.)
[1:06] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: here's the exact detail, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/9
[1:06] <Viperfang> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware <-- this the right account?
[1:06] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: for what, the firmware files?
[1:06] <Viperfang> The latest kernel that will boot with my USB HDD as root
[1:07] <Hexxeh> you should be using the update tool rather than that repo directly
[1:07] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[1:07] <ReggieUK> thanks hexxeh :)
[1:07] <Hexxeh> ReggieUK: no worries
[1:07] <Viperfang> Im capeable of doing it directly, so I do
[1:08] <Hexxeh> be my guest, but you're making it harder for yourself
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[1:15] <Cheery> getting sleep
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[1:25] <slashflame> debian squeeze doesn't actually restart when i tell it to restart, it kinda just stops displaying things
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[1:25] <slashflame> do i need to unplug/replug it?
[1:25] <Viperfang> How are you restarting?
[1:25] <slashflame> menu->log off->restart
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[1:25] <slashflame> in lxde
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[1:26] <Viperfang> Should work, I use Alt+F2 -> sudo reboot
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[1:26] <vegetante> HELLO
[1:26] <slashflame> hmmok
[1:26] <Viperfang> Hello vegetante
[1:27] <vegetante> sombody know when Raspberry come in Brazil?
[1:27] <vegetante> i wanna so much buy a raspeberry
[1:27] <vegetante> =/
[1:27] <Viperfang> I do not, sorry
[1:28] <vegetante> Viperfang: do you've raspebery?
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[1:28] <slashflame> the site said all orders made on feb 29 should be out by 2 weeks from now i think
[1:28] <Viperfang> I do
[1:28] <vegetante> Viperfang: omg
[1:28] <vegetante> Viperfang: install debian?
[1:28] <Viperfang> running
[1:29] <vegetante> Viperfang: omg
[1:29] <vegetante> i wanna one
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[1:29] <Viperfang> I was lucky, a good friend gave it to me
[1:30] <vegetante> Viperfang: right!!
[1:30] <vegetante> Viperfang: =D
[1:31] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[1:31] <Viperfang> Im getting alot of error -110 re the SD card
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Finally got my stupid VB project done....
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[1:33] <GabrialDestruir_> Though it is far more crashable than I would like.....
[1:33] <Viperfang> GabrialDestruir_: whatcha writing?
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[1:34] <GabrialDestruir_> It was an inventory app for my VB Final
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[1:35] <slashflame_> can't get ethernet sharing from my laptop to rpi working, does it only work with direct cable to router?
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[1:36] <slashflame_> debian squeeze, it worked five minutes ago...
[1:36] <IT_Sean> it's got a full IP stack, you may not be setting things up properly
[1:36] <slashflame_> is there a simple way to test internet
[1:36] <slashflame_> i'm just opening up mideori
[1:36] <slashflame_> *midori
[1:36] <slashflame_> and it says cannot connect to destination
[1:36] <hamitron> ping google.com
[1:36] <Viperfang> slashflame_: can you ping your laptop's IP?
[1:38] <Viperfang> slashflame_: have you just connected the pi to your laptop directly?
[1:38] <slashflame_> trying to ping but terminal's not saying anything
[1:38] <slashflame_> yes, ethernet cord directly from laptop to pi and lan sharing set on windows
[1:38] <IT_Sean> it's not saying ANYTHING? O_o
[1:39] <Viperfang> ah, link probably isnt up
[1:39] <Viperfang> are you using a crossover cable?
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[1:39] <slashflame_> it just said unknown host google.com
[1:40] <IT_Sean> Most NICs will auto-switch to rollover, so, a normal enet cable should be fine
[1:40] <IT_Sean> 'less it's an old laptop
[1:40] <slashflame_> it's the ethernet cable that came with the pi from rs
[1:40] <Viperfang> none of mine do :|
[1:40] <IT_Sean> bummer
[1:40] <slashflame_> and this worked before i reflashed debian a few mins ago
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[1:41] <Viperfang> slashflame_: run ifconfig, got an ip?
[1:42] <slashflame_> yeah i'm trying to ping it
[1:42] <slashflame_> it says destination host unreachable
[1:42] <Viperfang> Is the IP in the same range as your laptop?
[1:43] <Tachyon`> is the IP even correct
[1:43] <Tachyon`> debian may be setup for a different IP or just happen to get a different oen from the DHCP server
[1:44] <slashflame_> yes it's the same range and correct
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[1:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Why the hell does VB have to start with 0 instead of 1?
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir_> it's confusing
[1:50] <slashflame_> i just rebooted and it seems to work now
[1:50] <slashflame_> weird
[1:50] <slashflame_> but anyway thanks guys
[1:50] <Viperfang> np
[1:50] <Viperfang> GabrialDestruir_: only on some types of array
[1:52] <Viperfang> Hexxeh: If I connect a usb flash drive it loads as sda, but if I connect a hard disk, it gets ignored. Any ideas?
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[1:54] <plugwash> Viperfang, please give more details of what you are doing? how are you connecting and powering this drive? are you trying to use it as a root filesystem device or after booting? what kernel are you using?
[1:55] <Viperfang> this is a 3.5" self powered HDD, connected directly to the pi (no hub), attempting to use it as root. I am using Hexxeh's kernel.
[1:55] <Viperfang> yes, its up to date
[1:55] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: it probably doesn't have enough power to start...
[1:55] <Hexxeh> you can't draw that much power from the USB ports on the Pi.
[1:56] <IT_Sean> I cannot do it cap'n, i don't have the powah!
[1:56] <Viperfang> self powered, not usb powered
[1:56] <Hexxeh> what he said ^
[1:56] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm given her all she's got!
[1:56] <plugwash> what happens if you boot from another root device and hook up the drive?
[1:56] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: check dmesg
[1:56] <Viperfang> its running off its own mains transformer, it can do it
[1:56] <Viperfang> Im using its second partition for quake3... it works well
[1:57] <IT_Sean> yeah, you cannot run a HD right off the Pi's USB port.
[1:57] <plugwash> Viperfang, you most likely have some driver needed for the hard drive built as a module rather than built into the kernel
[1:57] <plugwash> lsmod may give you a clue as to what the problem module is
[1:57] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: pastebin the output of lsmod somewhere
[1:58] <plugwash> Note that USB hard drives are usually NOT usb mass storage devices, they are generally USB-sata bridges with sata hard drives behind them
[1:58] <Viperfang> default stack of modules, nothing altered, just hexxeh's kernel
[1:58] <Viperfang> Its IDE
[1:59] <Hexxeh> just pastebin lsmod output
[1:59] <Hexxeh> lsmod shows you which modules are /loaded/
[1:59] <Viperfang> I cant lsmod as it hasnt booted
[1:59] <Viperfang> its waiting for the root device
[1:59] <Hexxeh> ...
[1:59] <slashflame_> what's the default password for root on debian squeeze
[1:59] <Hexxeh> you said you had quake running off of it
[1:59] <Hexxeh> run it from that env
[2:00] <Viperfang> k
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[2:00] <Viperfang> I dont suppose there is a way to get round he error -110?
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir_> On debian squeeze, what file can I use to control what gets started with x-windows?
[2:01] <Viperfang> atm i just wait for the card to eventually initialise
[2:01] * Hexxeh magically can see your screen and know what this -110 error you're referring to is
[2:01] <Hexxeh> post the full error text, or we can't help you...
[2:01] <Viperfang> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
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[2:01] <Hexxeh> class 10 card?
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir_> It looks like your pi isn't fully reading the card properly
[2:02] <IT_Sean> is it a class 10?
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[2:02] <Viperfang> Doubt its class 10, it doesnt have a rating
[2:02] <IT_Sean> size?
[2:02] <Viperfang> 2GB
[2:02] <Hexxeh> make?
[2:03] <Viperfang> veho
[2:03] <IT_Sean> veho?
[2:03] <Hexxeh> it's probably an incompatible card
[2:03] <IT_Sean> neve r'erd of em
[2:03] <Hexxeh> yeah i've heard of a veho, got a couple of 16gb cards made by them here
[2:03] <Viperfang> It does work after it gets over this little hiccup
[2:04] <plugwash> Personally I'd say buy another one and donate the one that is giving trouble to the foundation
[2:04] <IT_Sean> Why would you donate a defective one?
[2:04] <IT_Sean> that's just mean?
[2:04] * Viperfang is a little skint atm
[2:04] <slashflame_> so they can try to add support for it
[2:04] <plugwash> So they can figure out why the Pi doesn't get on with it
[2:04] <Hexxeh> iirc the major problem with SD cards is known
[2:04] <Simon-> which kernel are you using?
[2:05] <Hexxeh> there's a line hardwired at 3.3v which doesn't allow faster modes to work
[2:05] <Hexxeh> when it tries to switch modes, it fails and doesn't handle the failure
[2:05] * Simon- is using a class 10 card
[2:05] <plugwash> Hexxeh, we know that but IIRC the kernel was supposed to have been fixed already to NOT try and switch modes
[2:05] <Hexxeh> when did that happen?
[2:05] <Hexxeh> i don't remember seeing a fix for that going in
[2:06] <plugwash> I don't remember exactly but I remember a comment about it ages ago
[2:06] <plugwash> anyway I'd imagine whoever at the foundation is working on SD card issues (and i'm pretty sure someone is) would appreciate as many samples as possible of different problematic cards
[2:07] <Simon-> Viperfang: which kernel are you using?
[2:07] <Viperfang> Hexxeh's latest
[2:07] <Simon-> is that 3.4?
[2:07] <Hexxeh> 3.1.9
[2:07] <Simon-> hmm
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[2:09] <Simon-> try unsetting MMC_SDHCI_BCM2708_DMA in .config
[2:10] <Simon-> "DMA support on BCM2708 Arasan controller"
[2:10] <Viperfang> http://pastebin.com/QUxUt3Yk
[2:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Is Raspbmc not ready yet or something? Cause despite a download page I can't find find a link anywhere to actually download it.
[2:12] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure... I don't think it's actually out yet.
[2:12] <plugwash> Viperfang, I'd bet "ums_cypress" is the driver needed for your hard drive
[2:12] <plugwash> you probablly need to recompile the kernel with that built in
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[2:13] <Simon-> oh this is an usb hdd not sd? hrm
[2:14] <plugwash> Simon-, AIUI he has been having SD card issues so he is trying to move to root on USB hdd and to do that he needs to build the driver for his USB hdd into his kernel
[2:15] <Viperfang> yup
[2:15] <Viperfang> I have a nice 128MB SD that works 100%, so the kernel on ther would be ideal
[2:15] <Viperfang> And ive set up my pi's power so that acessories are not a problem
[2:16] <Viperfang> (yup, USB powered HDD works perfectly)
[2:16] <Hexxeh> Simon-: any tips on debugging init dying? got a strange situation where an image doesn't seem to work unless i create a new partition and copy the contents of the old ext2 partition into it
[2:17] <Simon-> Hexxeh: do you have an rs232 usb adapter?
[2:17] <Hexxeh> sadly not :/
[2:17] <Simon-> (i.e. can you get a serial console)
[2:17] <Simon-> then get one
[2:17] <Simon-> a cp2102 will do
[2:17] <Hexxeh> yeah, was afraid you'd say that :P
[2:17] <Simon-> http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=cp2102&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ZeN&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=imvns&resnum=4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1920&bih=978&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=6763305098107384122&sa=X&ei=W_2uT5O2IMGn0QWMtuW-CQ&ved=0CFsQ8gIwAA
[2:17] <IT_Sean> they are cheap. Get one. they are SOOOO handy.
[2:18] <Simon-> I use one of those
[2:18] * IT_Sean has several, which he uses regularly
[2:18] <Viperfang> I got one from ebay for ??2 delivered
[2:18] <Simon-> connect up RX, TX and GND
[2:18] * IntelMin1r is now known as IntelMiner
[2:18] <Hexxeh> i keep meaning to order one
[2:19] <Hexxeh> is there any output i can enable on the console without having a serial connection?
[2:19] <Simon-> the problem is the lack of a vga text mode
[2:19] <Simon-> if the frame buffer console doesn't come up you're stuck
[2:20] <Hexxeh> it does
[2:20] <Hexxeh> that's how i know init died
[2:20] <Viperfang> With what error?
[2:20] <Hexxeh> standard kernel panic, not syncing, killed init etc
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[2:21] <Viperfang> so it cant talk to root fs
[2:21] <Viperfang> recompile modules?
[2:22] <Viperfang> check partition names? did you repartition and now root is mmcblk0p4?
[2:22] <Hexxeh> root is /dev/sda3
[2:22] <Simon-> oh
[2:23] <Viperfang> Nice curve ball
[2:23] <Hexxeh> i can see sda1 to sda12 when it detects the usb stick during boot, so it can see the partitions
[2:23] <Viperfang> put it on another system and fsck it?
[2:23] <Hexxeh> done that, clean
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[2:23] <Hexxeh> it's something about the root partition
[2:24] <Hexxeh> but i'm not sure what
[2:24] <Simon-> Hexxeh: boot the kernel with "debug" in the command line and select "Verbose user fault messages" under "Kernel hacking"
[2:24] <Hexxeh> the partition itself, as opposed to the table or the contents
[2:24] <Viperfang> does cfdisk complain about anything?
[2:24] <Simon-> Hexxeh: that may tell you why it exited
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[2:25] <Simon-> also turn on "Kernel debugging", "Verbose BUG() reporting (adds 70K)" and "Compile the kernel with debug info"
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[2:32] <Hexxeh> wtf, i enabled that option, and now it boots...
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[2:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Huh... it seems the only real way to get XBMC on your device is to build it yourself?
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[2:32] <Hexxeh> i thought i'd gone crazy, so i burnt another stick with the same fresh image, boots again no problem...
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[2:33] <Simon-> bootc: how did you get this to kexec? it's failing after decompressing the kernel :/
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[2:50] * IT_Sean blinks
[2:51] * Viperfang double blinks
[2:52] * GabrialDestruir_ triple blinks
[2:54] * Simon- triple faults
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[2:55] <GabrialDestruir_> Why is it the screen saver on the Pi takes a considerable amount of CPU usage?
[2:55] <Matt> well I'm still on-site at $clusterom
[2:55] <Matt> $customer even
[2:56] * Viperfang sleeps
[2:59] * Simon- stares at this code
[2:59] <Simon-> apparently arm doesn't do "rebooting"
[2:59] <IT_Sean> tun the screensaver off? they are largly unnecessary these days
[3:00] <Simon-> oh. each mach has to define the restart function
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[3:03] <passstab> heyy internetz
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[3:03] <passstab> wazap?
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[3:35] <Hexxeh> note to self. not having config_devtmpfs enabled is baaad.
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[3:44] <tzarc> is this for an initramfs?
[3:44] <tzarc> *reads up*
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[3:45] <tzarc> missing device nodes most likely - I struck that last weekend
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[3:46] <Hexxeh> nah, no initramfs involved
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[3:46] <Hexxeh> this is for the chromiumos rootfs
[3:48] <shigawir1> Ouch
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[3:48] <tzarc> ah ok
[3:49] <tzarc> I found init was dying if I didn't have a bunch of things in /dev, figured it'd be similar
[3:49] <tzarc> once I'd handed over to busybox's mdev everything was fine, but if I launched a shell beforehand, it'd spit the dummy
[3:49] <tzarc> so I put in a bunch of basic nodes in /dev for the initramfs and let mdev do its thing later on in the chain
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[4:12] <amelia_> hej IT_Sean
[4:13] <IT_Sean> hey
[4:14] <mkopack> slow in here tonight
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[4:14] <Skrotus> hellos
[4:14] <IT_Sean> what's up?
[4:15] * IT_Sean yawns
[4:15] <mkopack> I'm just watching the end of the NASCAR race
[4:16] * IT_Sean just got a notification that iOS 5.1.1 is available for my iPad
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[4:19] <mkopack> yeah, I have't bothered upgrading my iPhone or iPad yet
[4:19] <mkopack> Guess I'll go ahead and do that now
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[4:21] <IT_Sean> im doing my iPhone now
[4:21] <IT_Sean> I'll do the iPad tomorrow
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[4:28] <IT_Sean> iphone us rebooting
[4:28] <IT_Sean> *is
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[4:30] <mkopack> Yup, mine just finished
[4:30] <mkopack> iPad is complaining that it needs to be plugged in before it'll do it, so guess I'll wait till I go to bed and plug it in
[4:30] <IT_Sean> mine is still percolating [|||||||||||||||||||||| ]
[4:31] <IT_Sean> your battery must be low
[4:31] <mkopack> 31%
[4:31] <IT_Sean> yeah, tha'll do it
[4:31] <IT_Sean> which iPad have you got?
[4:31] <mkopack> And my iPhone had the advantage of having already downloaded the update so I just had to install, not DL + install
[4:31] <mkopack> Original 64GB 3G
[4:31] <IT_Sean> i had to dl and install
[4:32] <IT_Sean> ahh, neat. I have an origonal 16 gig 3G
[4:32] <mkopack> I've NEVER used the 3G on it??? so next time I think I'll just get a wifi
[4:32] <IT_Sean> i use the 3G all the time on mine.
[4:32] <IT_Sean> soooooo glad i got it
[4:33] <IT_Sean> iphone done
[4:33] * IT_Sean turns it off
[4:34] <mkopack> always pissed me off how AT&T screwed us over with the data plans on it like 2 months after release
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[4:35] <IT_Sean> meh... its too handy a feature to have for me to get worked up over,
[4:35] <IT_Sean> and i think i'm going to pack it in for the night
[4:36] <IT_Sean> g'nite
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[4:36] <mkopack> Well, I ended up getting one of those Sprint 4G Wimax Overdrive hotspot units, since I needed a way to do data on the iPad iPhone and Macbook
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[4:41] <Hexxeh> ??3.88 for a serial adaptor including female-female leads, 3 day delivery, pretty good, cheers to whoever suggested that chip
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[4:54] <ReggieUK> which chip?
[4:55] <Hexxeh> CP2102
[4:55] <ReggieUK> prolific?
[4:56] <Hexxeh> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280835731230
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[5:01] <ReggieUK> silabs
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[5:06] <ReggieUK> I've got a whole bunch of usb to serial adapters
[5:06] <ReggieUK> mainly ftdi
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[6:05] <DaQatz> oops I broke the silence.
[6:05] <DaQatz> Anyone have some glue?
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[6:19] * passstab hand DaQatz glue
[6:19] <passstab> hands
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[8:35] <mattltm> Morning all :)
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[8:35] <mattltm> Looks like I need to go shopping for a bigger SD card :/
[8:36] <mattltm> Will a class 2 work ok?
[8:38] <jardiamj> I'll have to go shopping for a card as well..
[8:38] <jardiamj> got a problematic one..
[8:39] <mattltm> lol. same here. And 4Gb is not big enough :(
[8:39] <jardiamj> f*** SanDisk
[8:39] <jardiamj> I'm printing the list of known working cards...
[8:40] <mattltm> My 2Gb Sandisk works fine whilts the 4GB Kingston gives SD registed errors. It does boot after a few minutes though but is very slow.
[8:40] <mattltm> jardiamj: Thats what I was just looking for. You have a link?
[8:41] <mattltm> Ah, found it :)
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[8:45] <jardiamj> I see you found the link... sorry didn't answered before
[8:45] <mattltm> no probs :)
[8:45] <mattltm> looks like i'm in the market for a 16Gb card.
[8:46] <mattltm> I have to download the source and 4GB is not big enough so I figure I'll play it safe and go with 16.
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[8:52] <mattltm> Looks like i'm going to go with the SAMSUNG MB-SPAGA/EU (class 10) or the SAMSUNG MB-SSAGA/EU (class 6)
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[10:11] <dmsuse> oh
[10:11] <dmsuse> my
[10:11] <dmsuse> gawd
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[10:15] <bjorn`> yay!
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[10:28] <Da|Mummy> gimme my damn voice
[10:29] <bjorn`> voiz
[10:29] <huene> voice is useless. unless the channel would be muted
[10:32] <bjorn`> In my old EFNet days when irc was srs bizniz +v was some sort of a status symbol that you "belonged" to the channel. oh, what fools we were.
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[10:33] <huene> there are still channels like that
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[11:28] <Scepterr> anybody running chrome os around ? hows performance ?
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> chrome os on the Pi?
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[12:11] <RITRedbeard> morin
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[12:22] <RITRedbeard> silly pi, arm is for kids!
[12:22] <Viperfang> -_-
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[12:26] <RITRedbeard> RASPBERRY PI
[12:26] <RITRedbeard> Y U HAVE 3.3V GPIO?! >:O
[12:31] <plugwash> I'm guessing because that is the maximum the GPIO circuits on the SOC can safely run at.
[12:31] <plugwash> is 3.3V GPIO a problem for you?
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> 3.3 - no problems for me...
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[12:40] <IT_Sean> Hello lennard
[12:40] <lennard> hi!
[12:40] * gordonDrogon peers over.
[12:40] <lennard> no raspy for me yet :
[12:40] <lennard> :(
[12:40] <RITRedbeard> I thought you were making a reference to that tragedy of a television show
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> there's always tomorow...
[12:41] <IT_Sean> I haven't got one either yet
[12:41] <RITRedbeard> I was about to ask the IRC ops to kline you
[12:41] <IT_Sean> O_o
[12:41] * lennard doesn't recognise any reference, so I guess I'm safe :)
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> me neither.
[12:42] <IT_Sean> Brb
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Why are you complaining about the 3.3v GPIO, RITRedbeard ?
[12:44] <RITRedbeard> because PS/2 likes 5V
[12:44] * Meatballs|Away is now known as Meatballs
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> You mean PS/2 keyboards & mice?
[12:45] <RITRedbeard> Precisely.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> not sure why you want to connect those to the Pi - the USB is good for that.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> The GPIO isn't really intended for keyboards & mice...
[12:46] <RITRedbeard> USB is not good for that, it really isn't
[12:46] <RITRedbeard> you're just going to have to trust me on this one
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I don't know, you, you were posting in a rather abusive manner earlier, I do not and will not trust you.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> and neither will the millions of others currently using USB for keyboards and mice.
[12:48] <n17ikh> the USB HID class isn't ideal for keyboards for a few reasons
[12:49] <Meatballs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q&feature=player_embedded :D
[12:49] <n17ikh> it's adequate though.. more than good enough for an rpi
[12:49] <plugwash> There is a nice trick for level shifting open-collector interfaces http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CHAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fics.nxp.com%2Fsupport%2Fdocuments%2Finterface%2Fpdf%2Fan97055.pdf&ei=KpGvT_LmBI7S8QPKwMiUCQ&usg=AFQjCNEi4a2gEnkHAU9GXY-JSICACCRc6w
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[12:50] <RITRedbeard> this plugwash guy is the first to actually teach me something in this raspberry pi community
[12:51] <n17ikh> and you'd probably have a hell of a time writing a bit-banged GPIO PS/2 driver anyway.. what O/S are you planning to use?
[12:51] <RITRedbeard> perhaps the second or third person I've stumbled across that knows something and isn't just like OMG XBMC AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG
[12:51] <RITRedbeard> this is very useful information, thank you!
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[12:51] <RITRedbeard> linux kernel
[12:52] <n17ikh> have fun with that
[12:52] <RITRedbeard> I know. :(
[12:52] <n17ikh> even using the realtime extensions.. what a nightmare
[12:52] <lennard> RITRedbeard: so what about the usb isnt good for HID?
[12:53] <lennard> hubs not playing nice I assume, but do you know why? :)
[12:53] <RITRedbeard> I have my power consumption and CPU usage blinders on
[12:53] <lennard> orite
[12:53] <RITRedbeard> BUT INDULGE ME!
[12:53] <RITRedbeard> Why?
[12:53] <lennard> I don't know either
[12:53] <lennard> since I don't have one
[12:54] <lennard> I was curious
[12:54] <n17ikh> if you've got power consumption blinders on the rpi is not an ideal platform
[12:54] <n17ikh> doesn't it have a linear 3.3v reg?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> I think the innefficiency of the reg is the least of the Pi's power consumption issues...
[12:54] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, neat little note that - I was looking at this though: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/logic-level-converter-p-511.html
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is simply not designed to be an ultra low power device...
[12:55] <n17ikh> depends... also it looks like the other (non-SOC) regulators are all linear. Not surprising given the cost of the device.
[12:55] <n17ikh> but there goes like, half the input power
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[12:56] <RITRedbeard> Pi is pretty low powered all things considered
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> < 5 watts.
[12:56] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, looks like that board has the circuit described in the document I linked
[12:56] <RITRedbeard> < 3w
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> plug it's very similar.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> doh. must remember to auto-complete.
[12:57] <plugwash> well low power is relative
[12:57] <plugwash> by PC standards the Pi is low power
[12:57] <n17ikh> but by battery-powered SOC devices it's a power hog
[12:57] <plugwash> right
[12:57] <RITRedbeard> Compared to?
[12:57] <RITRedbeard> which ones?
[12:58] <plugwash> compared to cellphones presumablly
[12:58] <n17ikh> any phone or PDA with an ARM SOC will be far more efficient
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> mobile phones would be the ultimate low-power battery device...
[12:58] <RITRedbeard> It draws around 1.5w, no?
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> I was thinking myself of things like small robots, but youd going to need big batteries in them anyway just to power the motors, to the additional drain of the Pi ought to not be a concern there.
[12:59] <RITRedbeard> That's pretty good.
[12:59] <plugwash> The Pi was designed for low cost not low power, afaict the only reason the power for the core is reasonablly efficient is because the SOC already had an onchip switcher designed for use with a battery supply
[12:59] <IT_Sean> whelp, there is a little room for underclocking with thw raspi, if you feel the need to save battery power. not sure how much that'd help
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> I think a post by Dom suggested underclocking wouldn't save much, if anything.
[12:59] <IT_Sean> oh.
[13:00] <plugwash> when Pis become more readially available I intend to take the soldering iron to one and set it up for power consumption measurements
[13:00] <n17ikh> few percent, if that.. again, big chunks of power are taken by the LAN chip and the regulators
[13:00] <n17ikh> and the LAN chip is fed by one of those linear regulators so that doesn't help either
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> something at boot time causes a bit of a surge.
[13:00] <IT_Sean> Can the lan chip be disabled?
[13:00] <n17ikh> yeah, buy a model A
[13:00] * RITRedbeard grabs soldering iron
[13:00] <IT_Sean> :p
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> My Pi will run OK being back-powered via the USB sockets, but won't boot that way.
[13:01] <RITRedbeard> challenge accepted
[13:01] <n17ikh> it might have a software low-power mode though.
[13:01] <RITRedbeard> gordonDrogon, seriously?
[13:01] <plugwash> If I was going to take the LAN chip off I would use hot air rather than a soldering iron
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:01] <RITRedbeard> what's plugged in?
[13:01] <n17ikh> gordonDrogon: that's probably bad for the USB hub
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> it goes into a reboot cycle -loads the kernel, starts, then reboots.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Oh, I'm sure it's sub-optimal.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> but you discover these things by accident sometimes.
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> and the hub I have really shouldn't be providing power down the up-link.
[13:02] <IT_Sean> I meant, can you disable it via soffware. I.e. have a program switch it on, xmit a data chunk, then switch it off again?
[13:02] <RITRedbeard> Why does Raspberry Pi say 5w @ 600mA draw?
[13:02] <n17ikh> gordonDrogon: hah, that too
[13:02] <RITRedbeard> EBEN LIES YET AGAIN
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, it would be 5 volts at 600mA.
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[13:02] <RITRedbeard> erm
[13:02] <RITRedbeard> yes
[13:02] <RITRedbeard> I'm a bit sleepy
[13:02] <plugwash> Note: you have both 3.3V and 5V on the GPIO header so if you want to remove the 3.3V reg and supply 3.3V some other way you can
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> I could cut the power lead to my hub to check, but I don't want to right now.
[13:03] <plugwash> The 3.3V reg is pretty big and should be fairly easy to remove
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> I do wonder if we're trying to solve an issue that's really not a problem.
[13:03] <plugwash> I just don't want to do it while Pis are in such short supply
[13:03] <RITRedbeard> Oh, it's a problem, alright.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Why?
[13:04] * IT_Sean wonders how hard it would be to make a raspi much more power efficient with some clever code and part swappery
[13:04] <RITRedbeard> If it's going to be anemic, it should be anemic in all possible ways.
[13:04] <n17ikh> can probably do some stuff by putting the chip into sleep modes
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> possibly, but personally, I'm not overly concerend about a 5 watt device or 2.
[13:05] <n17ikh> and replacing the linear regulators with switchmode.. not sure if you could find a dropin replacement
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> does the USB mini have data lines or anything?
[13:05] <n17ikh> RITRedbeard: no, power only
[13:05] <IT_Sean> No, it would just be an interesting exercise, and useful info for someone that wanted to use it for data collection, say, from a high altitude balloon or something :p
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> no JTAG crap?
[13:06] <n17ikh> kind of a shame, since if they connected the data lines it'd be good for usb gadget development
[13:06] <IT_Sean> The micro USB port is power only
[13:06] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> especially when I make it suck an additional 15 x 5mA :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[13:06] <IT_Sean> Nice
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[13:07] <n17ikh> driving those right off the GPIO?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[13:07] <n17ikh> what's the total sink current limit on that?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> there was some discussion here yesterday about the sanity of it, however...
[13:07] <n17ikh> Yeah.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> each LEd is drawing 5mA.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so an additional 75mA.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> @3.3v = an additional 1/4 watt.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> the max. current off each gpio pin is supposed to be under 16mA, but no-one seems to have any documentaition on the overall permissed draw.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> er, permitted.
[13:09] <RITRedbeard> No kidding.
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> those LEDs have 330 ohm series resistors on.
[13:10] <n17ikh> lots of times it's not just (max current on 1 pin) x (number of pins)
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, I sure there's a lot to do with internal power routing, etc.
[13:10] <IT_Sean> *poof*
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> but that manual isn't avalable to us mere mortals...
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> anyway, it's not overheating with them all on!
[13:11] * IT_Sean wonders who will be the first to kill one by overdrawing the GPIO
[13:11] <mervaka> lol
[13:11] <Kolin> probabbly gordonDrogon :P
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> er... I've shorted one or 2 to ground while being driven at 3.3...
[13:11] <mervaka> just stick jfets on them
[13:11] <IT_Sean> EEP!
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> and they've survived...
[13:11] <mervaka> or something
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> so-far.. not something I'd recommend.
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[13:12] <plugwash> On many devices shorting one or two pins is ok, it's putting heavy load on lots of pins at once that causes the real problems
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I did try shorting the limiting resistor of an LED via my multimeter too - it drew 35ma, the LED got brighter.
[13:12] <plugwash> because heat is the killer
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, I suspect you'll "get away" with it once or twice for a brief period of time...
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> like I have so-far...
[13:12] <RITRedbeard> You've ruined my dreams and aspirations... well the ones I had today, not a problem with 7000 + mAh battery, I think...?
[13:13] <RITRedbeard> but yeah
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> you'll run it for an hour or so off that battery, RITRedbeard
[13:13] <IT_Sean> Te he.... Like that time I dropped a paperclip into one of the devices m comany makes, while the lid was off. Shorted the 12v rail to the 3.3v rail. That was pretty spectacular.
[13:13] <IT_Sean> Oops.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> woops :)
[13:13] <RITRedbeard> Err, no?
[13:13] <n17ikh> 7000mAh? depends on the voltage
[13:13] <RITRedbeard> 7000 mAh
[13:14] <RITRedbeard> probably 11vdc
[13:14] <n17ikh> (for what kind of battery life you'll get)
[13:14] <plugwash> just make sure you have an appropriate stepdown converter between it an the Pi
[13:14] <n17ikh> yeah, more like 20 hours
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> probably best to stick a more efficient regulator on it to take it to 5V first...
[13:14] <n17ikh> with a switchmode 5v regulator that doesn't suck
[13:15] <Ben64> http://www.ti.com/product/tps62160
[13:16] <RITRedbeard> ignoring the boot surge, what about driving direct from 5VDC @ 7000 mAh?
[13:16] <RITRedbeard> something on the range of 10+ hours, no?
[13:16] <Ben64> the voltage wouldn't be constant enough probably
[13:17] <n17ikh> yeah, the input is too sensitive to drive directly from a battery
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> mmmm
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> not directly to battery
[13:17] <Ben64> oh thought thats what you meant
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> some batteries have very good discharge rate
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> but not sure about drops in voltage
[13:17] <plugwash> personally I think if you replaced the 3.3V reg with an ultra low dropout part you could probablly run the Pi down to 4V or so
[13:18] <plugwash> Not sure what the max safe voltage is
[13:18] <Ben64> pretty sure all the regulators in the pi are linear
[13:18] <Ben64> so they could melt
[13:18] <n17ikh> if you didn't need USB or LAN, yeah
[13:19] <plugwash> n17ikh, lan is why I suggested replacing the 3.3V reg with an ultra low dropout one
[13:19] <plugwash> since the lan chip runs on 3.3V
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> and the discharge curve of modern LiPOs is pretty flat almost right to the end...
[13:19] <Viperfang> The are regulators on the SOC that require 5v for the core voltage
[13:19] <RITRedbeard> Whoa, who said anything about Lithium Polymer, jack?
[13:19] <RITRedbeard> No way you're connecting those hand grenades to this thing.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> no-one, just saying.
[13:20] <Ben64> a lot of people want to
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> oh? Hm.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> they sure do.
[13:20] <Ben64> i want to use AAs
[13:20] <RITRedbeard> A lot of people are retarded.
[13:20] <Ben64> because cheap, and non explosive
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> great batteries. use them a lot.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> you just need to use them properly.
[13:20] <plugwash> Viperfang, The input on the SOC for the switcher is labelled "VDD_BAT"
[13:20] <Ben64> get a couple sets of nimh AAs, almost never have to buy AAs
[13:21] <plugwash> so I think the core will be fine to quite low voltages, likely as low as 3V or so
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> a friend is using some switched mode 7805 replacements in his projects. Says they run much cooler (He refurbished spectrums!)
[13:21] <plugwash> it's the 3.3V reg that powers the IO and the lan chip that will start dropping out as you go below 4.5V or so
[13:21] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[13:21] <plugwash> and you should be able to fix that by replacing it with an ultra low dropout part
[13:21] <IT_Sean> plugwash: the core should be okeh. But you will loose hdmi and USB fairly quickly
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> bit pricey though - 1st google: http://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/de-sw050
[13:24] <RITRedbeard> I am insanely tired
[13:24] <IT_Sean> And their is nothing wrong with a lipoly artery, so long as the correct battery controller is used. They only grenade when mistreated.
[13:24] <IT_Sean> Go to bed?
[13:24] <plugwash> IT_Sean, afaict the only things on the Pi itself that use the 5V directly are the core voltage switcher (which is probablly good down to 3V or so) and the 3.3V regulator. So as I said if you replace the 3.3V reg the foundation specced with an ultra low dropout part you should be good down to arround 4V for the stuff on the Pi itself
[13:24] <RITRedbeard> I only ever see them mistreated. RC planes.
[13:24] <dmsuse> when selling to non-technical people it becomes a problem :P
[13:25] <plugwash> what the perhipherals will think is another matter
[13:25] <plugwash> (if you have any hooked up that is)
[13:25] <IT_Sean> Kinky.
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[13:27] <RITRedbeard> that's weird...
[13:27] <IT_Sean> ?
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> the choice to use PoP then... I don't really know, I don't design PCBs but the choice to use PoP 256 LPDDR
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> you would like to think that the phyiscal connector for DDR SODIMM is same price
[13:28] <IT_Sean> I think it came down to was access, with Eben working for BCom and all...
[13:28] * IT_Sean shrugs
[13:29] <RITRedbeard> also the fact that you leave it up to the end user to buy the memory instead of you doing it, you just have a connector on there
[13:29] <RITRedbeard> but I could be terribly wrong
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[13:29] <IT_Sean> That would aosl take up way more space on the board, and make the routing more complex
[13:29] <IT_Sean> Sorry, im typing on an iPad, in bed.
[13:30] <RITRedbeard> for laptop sized modules?
[13:30] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it would. There isn
[13:30] <IT_Sean> T space on the board now for it
[13:30] <RITRedbeard> they're like 3 1/4" long ish
[13:30] <IT_Sean> And where are you going ot put the traces to it?
[13:30] <plugwash> Leaving aside the board layout issues I'm pretty sure that arm SOCs are designed for narrower memory busses than PC modules use
[13:30] <IT_Sean> Keep in mind that, like hdmi, signal timing is an issue
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> that's the same width as the Pi.
[13:30] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: ping
[13:31] <IT_Sean> It would probably mean an extra LAYER on the board, which would increase production costs
[13:31] <plugwash> likely more than one extra layer
[13:31] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[13:32] <plugwash> plus the point of the Pi is to provide a cheap computer for kids, making them buy a memory module (not something they are likely to be able to scavenge) as well would kinda defeat the object of that
[13:32] <IT_Sean> That too
[13:32] <RITRedbeard> At this rate, kids will see these things in like a decade.
[13:32] <RITRedbeard> Not that I can't understand that goal.
[13:33] <RITRedbeard> Hmmm...
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> your being very negative RITRedbeard
[13:33] <IT_Sean> He is.
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[13:36] <RITRedbeard> did you mean: very critical ? :)
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[13:36] <Cheery> did someone already hook a nuclear plant to raspberry?
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> yes with a time machine
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> maybe you are being critical, but it looks negative.
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> result: chernobyl (we were talking about power consumption)
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> if you are being critical, what's your point?
[13:38] <Hexxeh> never knew that... ps aux doesn't work until the time is correctly set...
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> so if it restarts when it's at peak and assuming best supply case, it is stepping beyond 500mA draw?
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> as defined in USB spec?
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> jee
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> z
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you've mis-read and mis-interpreted what I said earlier.
[13:40] * plugwash is building freepascal for raspbian
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> When powered corectly via the micro-usb power port then it's fine.
[13:41] <RITRedbeard> Knights. In white satin.
[13:41] <RITRedbeard> Also, bed.
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[13:43] <Viperfang> Hi stevepdp
[13:43] <stevepdp> hola
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[13:45] <IT_Sean> O.o
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[13:59] <BenO> Anyone want to play with a glsl sandbox on the Pi?
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> not much use for it I'm afraid...
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[15:17] <Hexxeh> just about to post a new image, r3
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> kernel, or the whole lot?
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I've been apt-get update/upgrade ing it...
[15:19] <Hexxeh> whole lot
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> any benefit over apt-get upgrade... ?
[15:21] <Hexxeh> includes GUI, rpi-update, new kernel/firmware
[15:22] <Hexxeh> and openssh-server
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I have gui and openssh-server..
[15:22] <chrisx> image of what?
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> not fussed about the kernel for now - unless it has an improved framebuffer driver ...
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> chrisx, raspbian
[15:23] <chrisx> thx
[15:29] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, link....
[15:29] <Hexxeh> r3 isn't available yet
[15:29] <Hexxeh> still finishing it off
[15:29] <gurgalof> oki
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[15:35] <Hexxeh> 212MB, not bad considering it includes Xorg and LXDE
[15:35] <Hexxeh> and Git
[15:37] <gurgalof> not bad at all
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[15:45] <Hexxeh> wow, the Alwinner board can be had for $27 apparently?
[15:45] <Hexxeh> that's awesome...
[15:50] <plugwash> url?
[15:51] <mjr> is it something that can be actually had or is it the vapor again?
[15:51] <Hexxeh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3853
[15:53] <plugwash> kewl, seperate USB host and device ports
[15:55] <plugwash> not so kewl, that link to crownho seems to be timing out for me
[15:55] <Hexxeh> it worked for me
[15:57] <mpthompson> I'm working with a Mele A1000 with an AllWinner A10. Not bad at all, but the Kernel is very immature right now. There folks right now trying to get the Androidisms out of it now and tune it up for Debian/Ubuntu. Not quite there yet.
[15:57] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: what are the graphics drivers like? nonexistant?
[15:57] <Hexxeh> how much did you pay for yours also?
[15:58] <Hexxeh> i'm tempted to get one, but i think i'll wait till i'm in the the US next month to get one where it'll be cheaper
[15:58] <mpthompson> I'm not into it from the graphics side, but it's my understanding they are still trying to shake loose the documentation on the GPU.
[15:59] <mpthompson> With the shortage of Freescale iMX53 QSB systems, I'm looking at it as a possible headless build server.
[15:59] <Hexxeh> btw, mpthompson, if you've still not got a pi by like start of june, i'll be in mountain view which is fairly close by you i think, so if you don't mind driving down to pick one up, you're welcome to borrow one
[15:59] <mjr> allwinner a10 has the mali gpu, which has some proprietary opengl es driver, but the more interesting bit is that there is an active reverse-engineering project with the goal of a free driver going on at limadriver.org
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[15:59] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, Mtn View is very close. I'll take you up on that offer if I still don't have one. Thank you.
[15:59] <Hexxeh> mjr: proprietary is fine with me, as long as it works and I can get 3d graphics under X
[15:59] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: no worries :)
[16:00] <mjr> no idea if they do X with the proprietary one
[16:00] <mpthompson> There is an active IRC group on Freenode at #arm-netbook that is discussing the A10 all the time.
[16:01] <mpthompson> I hope to see some of the foundation folks next week at the Makers Faire in San Mateo. Hopefully I can get a Pi from them. Eben has contacted me about sending me one, but it hasn't shown up yet.
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[16:03] <Hexxeh> did Eben reach out to you, or the other way around?
[16:03] <Hexxeh> gutted i'll just miss Makers Faire, too... :(
[16:03] <Hexxeh> but my internship doesn't start until the 5th, so I'm not sure I could've gotten away with arriving that early
[16:03] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, he sent me a message...
[16:03] <Hexxeh> oh, very nice :)
[16:04] <mpthompson> He expressed appreciation for the work involved with Raspian... This was two weeks ago or so...
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[16:05] <mpthompson> The Makers Faire is great. My kids and I love to go. Hopefully they have them soon in the UK if they don't have them already...
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[16:10] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: http://distribution.hexxeh.net/raspbian/raspbian-r3.zip
[16:10] <mpthompson> Ughh, after building 10,000's of Debian packages, C++ is my nemisis. Compared to C, C++ packages take damn near forever...
[16:10] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, nice
[16:10] <Hexxeh> it's kinda untested
[16:11] <Hexxeh> my keyboard and mouse i use for the pi have run out of battery, need to buy some more
[16:11] <Hexxeh> but the desktop appears when i type startx
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[16:11] <Hexxeh> and ssh starts on boot
[16:11] <gurgalof> lol, i have wired stuff for that reason
[16:11] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, terrific. Thanks for putting this together. I'll update the Wiki. Do you want to put a posting in the forum?
[16:11] <Hexxeh> oh and i changed the apt URL to the new .org address
[16:11] <Hexxeh> image only clocked in at 212MB with all that added, which is pretty good going
[16:12] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: i'd rather wait until somebody here has given it a bit more of a test
[16:12] <Hexxeh> it seemed very very slow for me, but i think that's because the SD card i used was terribly slow
[16:12] <Hexxeh> my faster ones are all in use by CrOS images at the moment
[16:12] <mpthompson> OK, I'll wait as well. I gotta head out in a few minutes so I'll get to it later this morning (my time).
[16:12] <Hexxeh> cheers :)
[16:13] <gurgalof> aww i need to find another sd card...
[16:14] <mpthompson> I saw your postings in the forum regarding Chromium. It will be great if Raspbian becomes is the platform that can run the latest versions of that on the Pi.
[16:14] <mpthompson> Ugh. I need some caffiene as I'm typing gibberish. To early on a Sunday morning for me...
[16:14] <Hexxeh> i'm not really too familiar with how debian packages get built, but the latest (sid?) for arm is missing chromium for arm, but it's there for i386/amd64
[16:15] <Hexxeh> i suspect they hit the same build failure i saw
[16:15] <Hexxeh> it also seems to be really quite picky about toolchain...
[16:16] <mpthompson> OK. I've actually never used Chromium before. I saw a lot of build dependencies for it so I'm going after Midori right now. But webkit is taking FOREVER to build and it's only 3MB of sources which isn't a lot.
[16:17] <Hexxeh> heh, v8 is pretty bad too
[16:17] <plugwash> mpthompson, it's about a 3 day build iirc
[16:18] <Hexxeh> it takes about 1 hour 15 minutes to cross compile on an octo-core 16GB RAM box, so i dread to think how long it'll take on lowly ARMs
[16:18] <mpthompson> I hope webkit isn't... I should have started it up in a screen session as I'm now afraid of loosing my ssh connection and it killing the build...
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[16:19] <mpthompson> plugwash, webkit isn't a 3 day build, is it? I might as well kill it now and restart it in screen if it is.
[16:19] <chnopsx> I think I ran out of ram (all 4GB of it) once when compiling webkit on gentoo
[16:20] <Hexxeh> chnopsx: debug build?
[16:20] <chnopsx> normal build afaik (without crazy CFLAGS :p)
[16:20] <mpthompson> Uh oh. I only have 4GB of swap on he build systems. It's a crime that these guys are producing such builds... No reason for it...
[16:20] <Hexxeh> oh wow
[16:20] <Hexxeh> were you using gold?
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[16:21] <chnopsx> or actually, maybe I was thinking about webkit-gtk, which I guess might be different
[16:21] <plugwash> mpthompson, the 3 days figure was from building the debian webkit package on a debian armhf buildd
[16:21] <Hexxeh> chromium can be built on 2GB for a release build i think, it's just super tight to do so
[16:21] <mpthompson> Hmmm. Damn. I'm only about 8 hours into it now...
[16:22] <Hexxeh> 4GB should be comfortable enough
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[16:22] <plugwash> Hexxeh, yeah now if you know where we can get a box that can run raspbian and has 4GB of ram please tell us
[16:22] <mpthompson> Well, the system goes into swap after 1GB so it will be PAINFUL...
[16:23] <Hexxeh> compiling it natively just isn't done
[16:23] <plugwash> Hexxeh, debian do it
[16:23] <Hexxeh> not since version 4 they haven't
[16:23] <Hexxeh> clearly... :P
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> any reason to not cross compile it, or is it just too hard to set it all up?
[16:24] <Hexxeh> nah, with the appropriate armv6 patches (which i'm trying to get upstreamed) it's fairly straightforward
[16:24] <mpthompson> We haven't considered it... Unknown what the difficulties might be. It draws in about 300+ MB of other packages though.
[16:24] <plugwash> Hexxeh, is that a chrome version a webkit version or something else
[16:24] <Hexxeh> chrome version
[16:24] <BenO> Someone just asked me if the Pi will run Minecraft....
[16:24] <Hexxeh> the latest arm version in debian is version 4
[16:24] <Hexxeh> we're currently on version 21
[16:25] <Hexxeh> version 4 is from 2009 iirc
[16:25] <plugwash> yeah chromium in debian has been having problems. Chromium seems to use it's own embedded copy of webkit though rather than the main webkit package
[16:25] <Hexxeh> it does, yeah
[16:25] <plugwash> As I said my three days figure was for the debian webkit package
[16:26] <plugwash> actually it's slightly under 3 days
[16:26] <mpthompson> OK, I gotta head out for the morning. I guess I'll have to consider killing webkit when I get back and restarting it within screen. Sheesh, I had no idea it was such a beast when I started it. It's only a 3MB download of the compressed source... :-(
[16:26] <gurgalof> i found another SD card, now dd in raspbian on it...
[16:27] <plugwash> eek, it's gone up since the last time I looked
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> running xfce4 under raspbian...
[16:27] <plugwash> Build needed 81:34:07
[16:27] <plugwash> (that is hours:minuites:seconds BTW)
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[16:29] <mpthompson> Cr*p. It is what it is I guess. I'm building it in a dirty environment. I wonder if this one should wait for later as I would hate to have it turn up v7 dirty after such a build.
[16:29] <mpthompson> The folks wanting a browser under LXDE will have to wait. They can use lynx in the meantime. :-)
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[16:30] * plugwash would have just left it until it was autobuildable
[16:30] <BenO> I <3 links2
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it's worthwhile keeping the SD image for raspbian very small - and treat it a bit like a Debian 'netinst' type of thing?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> however I know that installing packages on the Pi is incredibly slow - probably due to the SD speed (or lack of it)
[16:30] <mpthompson> I think plugwash is thinking correctly about it.
[16:30] <mpthompson> Gotta go...
[16:31] <plugwash> personally I think we should probablly be offering two images, a minimal image for those who know exactly what they want and something a bit bigger for those who want a fully functional system with GUI out of the box
[16:31] <mpthompson> Mother's day and all. At least here in the US...
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, yea, that's an idea.
[16:31] <Hexxeh> raspbian r2 and raspbian r3 do those jobs fine as is
[16:31] <passstab> oh is that today?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> not in the UK.
[16:32] <Hexxeh> r2 is minimal, r3 has a few more bits and pieces like X, lxde, ssh
[16:32] <passstab> when is it in the u.k?
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> some weeks ago.
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[16:33] <Hexxeh> some more interesting stuff re X driver from teh_orph here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4649&p=77276#p77273
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> don't know exactly - its not something I get involved with...
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[16:36] <BenO> Hexxeh, Cool, thanks for the heads-up
[16:37] <Hexxeh> sadly i'm not sure it'll help the situation with chrome
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. My Pi's just stopped.
[16:37] <Hexxeh> but i don't know enough about X to verify that
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> most odd. it's never done that before.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> it's locked solid. won't ping.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> I was doing an apt-get install tuxpaint on it ...
[16:38] <Hexxeh> check the console, see if it's got a panic log?
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> oh no - hang on. it's weird. it is pinging, but very very slowly.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> I don't have serial console - the graphical console is static with xfce4 and the xterm running on it. no mouse movement.
[16:39] <BenO> Hexxeh, I can only hope his work will help
[16:40] <Hexxeh> imo NoX is probably the future for CrOS
[16:40] <Hexxeh> relieves us of the overhead of X
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> 64 bytes from dot.drogon.net (192.168.254.4): icmp_req=177 ttl=64 time=40675 ms
[16:41] <BenO> I've got a feeling that "NoX" as a general theme is the way to go for much of Pi apps, at least for this year
[16:41] <BenO> s/much of/many/
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> as long as the console framebuffer works OK. I'm struggling to get an SDL app. going under it natively.
[16:42] <gurgalof> now its raspbian r3 testing time...
[16:45] <BenO> I wonder if a opengles-backed SDL lib will appear before X acceleration...
[16:45] <gurgalof> got a kernel panic
[16:46] <gurgalof> No init found, try passing init= option to kernel
[16:46] <Hexxeh> sounds like a failed to the stick maybe?
[16:46] <Hexxeh> *failed copy to the stick
[16:46] <gurgalof> maybe
[16:46] <gurgalof> i will try again
[16:47] <Hexxeh> how large an SD card are you using?
[16:47] <gurgalof> 4GB
[16:47] <Hexxeh> should be fine
[16:47] <gurgalof> didn't bother to resize
[16:48] <gurgalof> well, im dd'ing over the image again
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[16:51] <gurgalof> damn,at 16MB/sec write speed, the card gets hot
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> luxurys... what class is that?
[16:52] <gurgalof> sandisk class 2
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> rebooted the Pi. restarted the download of tuxpaint. seems ok this time...
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> class2? Hm. I've obviously got a crap sd writer on my laptop... it barely gets 5MB/sec on my Class 4's.
[16:54] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: pong (now that's latency for you ;))
[16:55] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: want a tegra 3 image? :)
[16:55] <gurgalof> hmm, kernel panic again, ant its complaining at sd card io error
[16:55] <Hexxeh> gurgalof: is this an SD card that works with other distros?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> Right. Tuxpaint is a *lot* more responsive under Raspbian...
[16:55] <gurgalof> havent tried it on others yet
[16:56] <Hexxeh> is it class 10?
[16:56] <gurgalof> i will take my old tested card and try now
[16:56] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: sure - is it any diff than e.g. waluigi image? (which I built)
[16:56] <Hexxeh> ah, yeah it's waluigi :)
[16:56] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, class 2 at 16MB/sec write speed
[16:56] <Hexxeh> gurgalof: that seems quite high for a class 2 card
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I've had intermittent problems with a class 6 card. one day it works, the next it doesn't.
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[16:57] <gurgalof> i will try the old card which is class 10
[16:57] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: I figure I'll need to make an waluigi derivative overlay at some point?
[16:57] <Hexxeh> if that works for you with a kernel added, i'll roll an overlay for you
[16:58] <gurgalof> lol the class 10 card is just 13MB/sec write speed
[16:58] <gurgalof> but that card is known to work...
[16:59] <gurgalof> i need to buy more SD cards...
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[17:03] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, the old card seems to be working, whats the login for raspbian?
[17:03] <Hexxeh> root/hexxeh
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[17:05] <gurgalof> lxde is running
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[17:08] <Hexxeh> awesome
[17:08] <Hexxeh> any problems with it?
[17:09] <gurgalof> none yet
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[17:10] <gurgalof> lxde feels snappier than on the squeeze image
[17:13] <Hexxeh> awesome
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> I've not bothered with lxde - as xfce was avalable before lxde, I used that - it's what I use on my desktop anyway.
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I suspect xfce4 is a little more memory hungry than lxde though... after running tuxpaint and my BASIC up and a few xterms:
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> Kb Mem: 190812 total, 166136 used, 24676 free, 27444 buffers
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> Kb Swap: 131068 total, 1492 used, 129576 free, 89224 cached
[18:54] <gurgalof> i am getting mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s) on raspbian
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I'd be OK with the 244MB kernel...
[18:54] <gurgalof> never got it under squeeze on the same card
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> is it the same kernel?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspbian 3.1.9+ #36 Mon Apr 30 15:16:33 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[18:56] <gurgalof> Linux raspbian 3.1.9+ #52 Tue May 8 23:49:32 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[18:57] <gurgalof> dmesg got like 20 of "mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s)."
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> suspect there's still work to do on the SD driver...
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[19:01] <gurgalof> is it a known problem?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure, but there seems to have been enough people with issues ...
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[19:13] <DaQatz> I used to run xfce on a 90meg laptop
[19:14] <DaQatz> Course it has bloated since then.
[19:17] <haltdef> so have you!
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Eeeee when I wur a lad ...
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I only recently switched to xfce - had used fvwm for some 18 years before that...
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> and now the forums have switched to phpBB - fine, apart from my username which appears to be my email address )-:
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> not that that's an issue, but it is somewhat of an irritation.
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[19:34] <Kripton> Hi there. I'm running Gentoo hardfp on my RPi and I downloaded the directory "/opt/vc" from the hardfp-path of the RPi "firmware" git-repo on github. Now trying to compile the "hello_world" example, I get this: http://pastebin.com/yHTEiR8X Anyone got an idea why it's not working?
[19:35] <Hexxeh> which firmware repo did you use?
[19:35] <Hexxeh> it sounds like you're trying to use softfp vc libs there
[19:36] <Kripton> The only difference I see is the line "Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers" from readelf in my compiled world.o which doesn't exist on the ilcore.o-file. And I don't know why, should be hardfp
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[19:36] <Kripton> Hexxeh, wait, gonna reopen tab
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[19:37] <Kripton> Hexxeh, I got it from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/hardfp/opt/vc
[19:37] <Hexxeh> those are the right libs
[19:37] <Hexxeh> hmm
[19:37] <Hexxeh> oh
[19:37] <Hexxeh> is this cross compiling?
[19:38] <Kripton> and readelf contains "Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP" so it really looks like hardfp, but it doesn't contain "Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers". No, this is on the Pi itself
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[19:39] <Kripton> Are there any good ressources where things like "Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers" are explained?
[19:40] <Hexxeh> i don't know of any i'm afraid
[19:41] <Kripton> Hexxeh, from your posts in the forums I guess you are running a hardfp-Gentoo, too, right? If you got it running right now: Can I get the output of "readelf -A" on any binary from your system?
[19:41] <Hexxeh> i don't have a gentoo card at the moment, sorry
[19:41] <Hexxeh> but i do have a hardfp chromium os image
[19:41] <Kripton> Hexxeh, nevermind :)
[19:41] <Hexxeh> and a raspbian, with is hardfp debian
[19:42] <Kripton> might be helpful, too
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I imagine building gentoo on a Pi would be somewhat .... challenging...
[19:42] <Hexxeh> Kripton: http://pastebin.com/BycHXdcD
[19:43] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, only a bit. glibc takes a little over 5 hours. with a real HDD instead of an SD as /
[19:43] <Hexxeh> long shot, but i don't suppose anyone here has physical access to servers in gatech's racks?
[19:43] <haltdef> so guys, does the default kernel in the firmware git repo look for any boot arguments on the sd or do I need to compile my own to adjust them?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> wrong country for me...
[19:44] <Kripton> Hexxeh, looks interesting. That file also contains the VFP-register-line. So compiling the hello_world example should fail there, too
[19:44] <Hexxeh> it doesn't :P
[19:44] <Kripton> Hexxeh, or my toolchain is broken
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[19:45] <Kripton> haltdef, the command line arguments are in /boot/cmdline.txt
[19:45] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/Vgaww3zB
[19:45] <haltdef> handy, thanks
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[19:46] <Kripton> Hexxeh, then I don't get how the linking worked there. Your linker created a file with "VFP-registers" from a library without. Just what fails on my Gentoo :/
[19:47] <Hexxeh> what library is without them?
[19:47] <Hexxeh> derp
[19:47] <Hexxeh> you MUST be using softfp libs
[19:47] <Kripton> libs/libilclient.a according to my readelf
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[19:47] <Hexxeh> try these https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/tree/master/vc/hardfp/opt/vc
[19:48] <Hexxeh> my libilclient.a has VFP registers
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[19:48] <Kripton> strange stuff :) gonna try yours ...
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[19:52] <Revo> I have a 16gb sd card and debian is only using 2gb, whats the best way to make a new partition with the rest of the space?
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[19:53] <Kripton> Revo, try gparted from a linux live-cd on your computer
[19:53] <Kripton> Revo, that can resize ext4-partitions
[19:53] <Revo> can I do it direct on the pi? doesn't have to resize
[19:53] <Revo> can just be a separate partition if needed
[19:54] <Kripton> Hexxeh, with the libraries from your git-repo it compiles and links just perfectly
[19:54] <Hexxeh> awesome
[19:54] <Hexxeh> you might want to use rpi-update
[19:54] <Hexxeh> it'll keep them up to date for you with just "rpi-update" typed once every so often
[19:54] <Kripton> Revo, you can create a new partitions on the SD card using tools like fdisk or cfdisk
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> revo this might help: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[19:55] <Kripton> Hexxeh, thanks, I'll take a look at it. Will have plenty of time while the Pi compiles xorg-x11 :D
[19:55] <Hexxeh> ouch :P
[19:55] <Hexxeh> i think gentoo is on pi is suicide, but have fun :p
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> overclock it :)
[19:56] <Kripton> Maybe I'll install a cross-compiler and use distcc or do everything on the host and copy it over
[19:56] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, maybe later. the chips are getting quite warm on default clock rates
[19:57] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: any joy with tegra3 image?
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, ok. I've had mine at 900MHz for a week or so now... not been doing any huge compiles though, but it ran mandelbrots overnight OK.
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[19:58] <Kripton> 900MHz? pphheewww...Only changed the stuff in /boot/config.txt?
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> arm_freq=900
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> sdram_freq=500
[19:59] <aditsu_with_pi> hi
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> no other changes.
[19:59] <Kripton> Is there and hwmon-stuff on the chip? might be nice to read out the temp automatically
[19:59] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: I'd also like to run gentoo; I have arch for now, tried to compile firefox using distcc, it failed at a linking step (not enough memory, process killed)
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> not that I've found...
[20:00] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, did you use a swap?
[20:00] <Kripton> and firefox must have taken ages ...
[20:00] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: no, I actually used a swap the first time but then it had swap read/write errors and the kernel paniced
[20:00] <Kripton> urgh ..
[20:00] <aditsu_with_pi> maybe I'll try again now that I have a bigger sd card
[20:01] <Kripton> or you could try a USB-HDD
[20:01] <gurgalof> dont swap on sd, its faster to swap on usb harddrive or a fast usb memory
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> or NFS.
[20:01] <aditsu_with_pi> last time I used a usb flash drive
[20:01] <aditsu_with_pi> I think I tried to swap over sshfs, didn't work
[20:02] <Kripton> no, swap over sshfs doesnt work
[20:02] <Kripton> it'll say "swap has holes" on swapon and cancel it
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[20:02] <Hexxeh> can anyone recommend a nice alternative to Buildbot?
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[20:02] <Hexxeh> redoing my nightly build/test setup, i wanna try something new
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[20:03] <aditsu_with_pi> I just set up synergy now, makes it easier to access it in X :)
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[20:03] <Kripton> Awewsome! I have the test.h264-video from hello_video running on Gentoo :D totally happy :D
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[20:08] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: hey, btw I also tried to cross-compile firefox on my desktop directly, but nspr failed
[20:08] <aditsu_with_pi> (my gentoo desktop)
[20:10] <aditsu_with_pi> conftest.c:1:0: error: bad value (armv6j) for -march= switch
[20:10] <Hexxeh> aditsu_with_pi: your toolchain is bad
[20:10] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: I used arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi-emerge
[20:11] <aditsu_with_pi> it installed a couple of packages successfully, then failed at nspr
[20:11] <aditsu_with_pi> how can I investigate further?
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[20:11] <Hexxeh> built that using crossdev?
[20:12] <Hexxeh> fwiw some packages just don't cross-compile well
[20:12] <Hexxeh> famously perl
[20:12] <aditsu_with_pi> yes, I had the crossdev for a while already (used it with distcc), but then I also used emerge-wrapper
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[20:13] <aditsu_with_pi> (following the embedded guide)
[20:13] <Hexxeh> i'm using armv6j-cros-linux-gnueabi, works good for me :)
[20:13] <Hexxeh> instructions on how to build it are here: https://github.com/Hexxeh/overlay-raspberrypi
[20:13] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: but can you emerge packages?
[20:13] <Hexxeh> yes
[20:13] <Hexxeh> i've got about 450 built
[20:14] <aditsu_with_pi> oh cool
[20:14] <Hexxeh> ie, a full chromium os dev image
[20:14] <DaQatz> Hexxeh, Is that the crossdev one you were working on?
[20:14] <Hexxeh> yeah
[20:15] <Hexxeh> the problem i had turned out to be +thumb, btw
[20:15] <Hexxeh> that and +hardened
[20:15] <DaQatz> Not surprised.
[20:15] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: hmm, it talks about ubuntu, and I don't see anything about "emerge"
[20:15] <DaQatz> I never do hardened in cross
[20:15] <Hexxeh> aditsu_with_pi: cros works by setting up a gentoo chroot inside an ubuntu env
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[20:16] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: I thought it was disabled, apparently not
[20:16] <aditsu_with_pi> huh? o_O
[20:16] <Hexxeh> that said
[20:16] <Hexxeh> as you can see from that guide, i still haven't figured out how to disable it in my overlay
[20:16] * DaQatz nods.
[20:16] <Hexxeh> had to jam USE as part of the crossdev call
[20:16] <Hexxeh> can't get setup_board to respect the use flags i want at all
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[20:23] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm it looks like the paths are not passed correctly to the configure script
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[20:23] <aditsu_with_pi> or.. maybe that's not it
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[20:27] <Revo> What is the buildbot user for?
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[20:28] <Hexxeh> Revo: ?
[20:28] <Revo> On the debian install, theres a user called buildbot by default
[20:28] <Revo> which comes with a bash shell
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[20:28] <Hexxeh> strange, no idea.
[20:28] <Hydrazine> good evening
[20:29] <D34TH> inb4 buildbot botnet
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[20:47] <Hexxeh> you'd be in for a world of pain
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[20:48] <Hexxeh> feels refreshing after building on my pi: Mem: 67060116k total, 54209548k used, 12850568k free CPUs: 12 @ 3200MHz
[20:49] <D34TH> build on free aws?
[20:50] <D34TH> :D
[20:50] <gurgalof> would have been nice to have several pi's with distcc
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[20:51] <Hexxeh> D34TH: it's not AWS
[20:52] <D34TH> im saying you should
[20:52] <Hexxeh> AWS sucks
[20:52] <Hexxeh> i've used it before, for what you pay, the performance is pretty terrible
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[20:57] <oneadvent> so do i have to update my firmware on the raspberry pi? Or will kernel updates be good enough?
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[21:00] <chris_99> there isn't any firmware afaik?
[21:00] <Viperfang> There is firmware, its all in the 100Mb FAT pertition
[21:00] <Hexxeh> both, preferably
[21:01] <Viperfang> * partition
[21:01] <chris_99> what firmware?
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[21:01] <Viperfang> the elf files, loader.bin, bootcode.bin
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[21:01] <Kripton> gurgalof, I think the overhead of distcc isn't worth building on several Pis
[21:02] <chris_99> oh, what's in loader.bin Viperfang?
[21:02] <gurgalof> Kripton, maybe not, but would be fun trying
[21:02] <D34TH> hexxeh when getting the aws did you do it the normal way or the cheap way
[21:02] <Hexxeh> what's the cheap way?
[21:02] <aditsu_with_pi> you're much better off using a cross compiler
[21:02] <Viperfang> proprietary broadcom stuff afaik
[21:02] <Kripton> gurgalof, indeed, yes
[21:02] <Hexxeh> i did it the normal "pay through the ass" way
[21:02] <Hexxeh> i've tried rackspace cloud too
[21:02] <D34TH> ~.54 usd an hour depending on the system
[21:02] <chris_99> oh interesting Viperfang
[21:02] <Hexxeh> i had 2 of the largest possible instance at the time
[21:03] <Hexxeh> this was like a year ago or so
[21:03] <gurgalof> aditsu_with_pi, i have no experience with cross compiling
[21:04] <aditsu_with_pi> gurgalof: I just have a little, I can get distcc on the pi to use the cross compiler on my desktop
[21:05] <aditsu_with_pi> but it still has to do various tasks on the pi
[21:06] <gurgalof> aditsu_with_pi, do you have a pointer on where to start reading?
[21:06] <D34TH> normal way the two largest would be ~6 usd an hour
[21:06] <D34TH> cheap way ~1 usd
[21:07] <aditsu_with_pi> gurgalof: well, depends on your distros.. my desktop runs gentoo and my pi runs arch
[21:07] <gurgalof> my desktop runs ubuntu and the pi runs raspbian for the moment
[21:07] <chris_99> what do you use to update t3h firmware then?
[21:08] <aditsu_with_pi> gurgalof: anyway I used the gentoo instructions for arch (their instructions were crap)
[21:08] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, distcc normally only does compiling (cc, g++, ...) on the other hosts. configure, preprocessor and linking are done on the main machine
[21:08] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: yes, there's also a pump mode but I haven't really used it yet
[21:09] <aditsu_with_pi> besides, firefox compilation seems to use python a lot for some reason
[21:09] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, ah, right, pump. never worked on my gentoo-desktops :)
[21:09] <chris_99> this may sound a stupid question, but if you use dd to dd the image, the / root directory isn't the size of the sd card
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[21:10] <Kripton> chris_99, the partition won't use the whole SD-card if it's larger then 2GB
[21:10] <aditsu_with_pi> gparted it :)
[21:10] <Revo> Hexxeh, what does the memory split refer to in: "By default, the 224MB memory split will be used. If you'd like to use the 192MB split"
[21:11] <gurgalof> Revo, how much the arm, and the gpu shall have
[21:11] <gurgalof> they share the 256MB ram
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[21:11] <Revo> Aaaah I see, well I use it for a text only linux server, what would be best? default?
[21:11] <aditsu_with_pi> I wish there was a 240MB split :p
[21:12] <gurgalof> Revo, 224 for text only
[21:12] <Revo> thanks :)
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[21:12] <chris_99> does gparted resizee th partitions aditsu_with_pi?
[21:13] <aditsu_with_pi> yes it can
[21:13] <chris_99> funky
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[21:16] <Kripton> chris_99, you can also use "resize2fs" while the Pi is running
[21:16] <chris_99> ooh
[21:16] <chris_99> i hadn't heard of that one
[21:17] <Revo> I just found this video which shows how to resize debian to fit the SD card on the pi, live, worked great:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE
[21:17] <Kripton> chris_99, yeah but it's a bit tricky, though. You need to resize the partition, tell the kernel to rescan the partition table then then use resize2fs
[21:18] <D34TH> heh hexxeh, normal price: 2.4 usd per hour; "cheap" price .54 usd per hour
[21:18] <Kripton> ... or watch youtube :)
[21:18] <D34TH> for 16 cores of powah
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[21:18] <chris_99> interesting, i'll have a look at that Kripton
[21:19] <Hexxeh> i have 12 cores for a whole lot less than that'd cost me :)
[21:19] <Hexxeh> and 64GB RAM
[21:19] <Hexxeh> SSD RAID
[21:19] <D34TH> 60.5 gb ram, 2x intel e5-2670, 3.3tb hd, 10 gbit internet
[21:19] <D34TH> meh, how much did your system cost
[21:19] <aditsu_with_pi> heh I hate all the sudo crap.. "su -" ftw :)
[21:20] <Hexxeh> D34TH: about 200EUR/m
[21:20] <Viperfang> Is the pi ok with a gzipped kernel?
[21:20] <D34TH> with whom
[21:22] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: not from what i've seen
[21:22] <Hexxeh> D34TH: admittedly a pretty small, unknown provider
[21:22] <D34TH> damn
[21:22] <D34TH> its cheap
[21:22] <Hexxeh> oh yeah :P
[21:22] <mpthompson> Hexxeh, have others successfully tried your latest image of Raspbian? Looking back through this channel, it seems so, but I'm just checking.
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[21:22] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: had one success report, that's good enough for me :P
[21:22] <D34TH> if you have a link to them id love it :D
[21:22] <Viperfang> Hexxeh: Did you compress the kernel at all?
[21:23] <mpthompson> You should work for Microsoft...
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[21:23] <Hexxeh> working for Google this summer, does that count? :P
[21:23] <Revo> I literally just did an update with Hexxeh 's script, worked for me
[21:23] <Revo> :)
[21:23] <mpthompson> That's what I thought when you said when you were interning in Mt. View.
[21:23] <Hexxeh> the box i was hosting the raspbian image is down atm (it's a box at gatech), unlikely to be back until monday
[21:24] <Hexxeh> gotta wait for helpdesk to get back in tomorrow
[21:24] <Hexxeh> but eh, it's a freebie box so i can't complain
[21:24] <mpthompson> Ooops. I'll copy the images to the Raspbian.org server next time... Oh well.
[21:24] <Hexxeh> yeah, sorry about that.
[21:25] <Hexxeh> i'll ask them for some kind of OOB access when they get back to me tomorrow to stop this happening again
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[21:32] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, poor freebie box...
[21:33] <Hexxeh> eh, it's my fault for not having fallback on it
[21:33] <Hexxeh> i did initially, but i shuffled EU side servers around and never set it up again once i was finished
[21:35] <haltdef> hm, does the gpu nom half of the ram by default?
[21:35] <Hexxeh> depends what firmware you use
[21:35] <haltdef> using the one from github
[21:35] <haltdef> isn't configurable from cmdline.txt?
[21:36] <haltdef> wait, the stupidity of that question hit me as soon as i hit enter
[21:36] <Hexxeh> no
[21:36] <Hexxeh> are you using my updater?
[21:36] <Hexxeh> if so, you can just do "rpi-updater 192"
[21:36] <Hexxeh> etc
[21:36] <Hexxeh> to pick a split
[21:36] <haltdef> I am not, literally just dumped it all onto the fat partition
[21:36] <haltdef> handy
[21:36] <Hexxeh> but basically
[21:36] <Hexxeh> there's a bunch of ELF files named lik arm_start128 etc
[21:36] <Hexxeh> 128 is the split
[21:37] <Hexxeh> just copy the one you want over start.elf
[21:37] <haltdef> ahh
[21:38] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, the r3 image seems to be stable, only "problem" i've had is "mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s)."
[21:40] <haltdef> have I missed some documentation somewhere, Hexxeh?
[21:40] <Hexxeh> documentation? what documentation? ;)
[21:40] <haltdef> it's like trying to work the pandaboard for the first time
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[21:41] <haltdef> even worse there though, the documentation is scattered and/or out of date
[21:42] * RaYmAn nominates haltdef to keep all documentation up to date
[21:42] <RaYmAn> :P
[21:42] <haltdef> need to know what you're taking about to document it
[21:42] <RaYmAn> nah, just document everything! :P
[21:42] <haltdef> right, raspbian bootstrapped, kernel booting happily
[21:42] <haltdef> now for gpu drivers
[21:43] <haltdef> gotta experiment before sticking my bnc on it
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[21:44] <haltdef> also, the coloured LEDs are kinda pretty
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[22:30] <gurgalof> aww distcc is not compiled yet for raspbian
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[22:32] <GeekShad1w> hello
[22:33] <dmsuse> hi
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[22:51] <GeekShad1w> anyone recently order from element14 ?
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[23:06] <acperkins> How do I make the Debian image's console fill the screen? On the Debian image I get a blank area around the edge but on Fedora and Arch the console fills the screen.
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> acperkins, try changing a line in /boot/config.txt: add in disable_overscan=1
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[23:18] <acperkins> gordonDrogon: Thanks, that worked perfectly
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> I guess the different distros do it differently.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> I've only used Debian.
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[23:24] <carldani> I wonder if someone could find a way to convert MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 with minimal effort, i.e. ignore all additional possible compression methods, and just try to keep the encoding wherever possible (i.e. where the encoding is available both in MPEG-2 and MPEG-4).
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> You may (probably will) need overscan on a TV or monitor on the composite output...
[23:24] <carldani> Basically a way to disguise MPEG-2 as MPEG-4 and get the Raspi to play it via hw acceleration
[23:24] <haltdef> I thought that was my monitor just scaling in a dumb way
[23:29] <Viperfang> Yey, my kernel works
[23:29] <Viperfang> running debian frm HDD
[23:29] <Viperfang> * from
[23:29] <Viperfang> Sooo much faster
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, HDD on USB?
[23:31] <Viperfang> yup
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I quite fancy giving it a go via NFS.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Raspbian is more then double the speed for another benchmarks I have vs. the original debian.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Ackermann function.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> 17 seconds on the original, 7 in raspbian.
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> mpeg4 is just a container - as I understand it.
[23:34] <Viperfang> well, i could put raspiab on on a spare ext partition (i made 6 for juggling OSs
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> It can contain many codecs
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> But that's not going to make it play
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, has anyone got a "boot loader" that lets you specify root location yet?
[23:36] <Viperfang> nafaik
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[23:37] <mjr> mpeg4 as a standard does cover also codecs
[23:37] <mjr> part 2 (ASP/xvid/etc), part 10 (AVC/h264)
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[23:38] <mjr> carldani, interesting thought, though I have no idea if that would be possible with decent CPU usage. It certainly sounds plausible that it might, but might not.
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[23:45] <carldani> gordonDrogon: You're using the Ackermann function as benchmark? That's possibly the most awesome benchmark ever.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> hi
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's really a recursion stress test. I was using it in my BASIC.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> because all numberic variables in my BASIC are double's, the increased FP performance of raspbian helps almost everything even though there are no actual calculations happening.
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/ack.rtb
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