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IRC Log for 2012-05-15

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[0:00] <eXpl01t> !w Brazil
[0:00] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:00] <eXpl01t> !w UK
[0:00] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:00] <eXpl01t> !w London
[0:00] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in London. Temp 50??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 76%, Later 56??F - 45??F. Condition: Rain.
[0:00] <eXpl01t> !w S??o Paulo
[0:00] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Sao Paulo, S??o Paulo. Temp 59??F. Condition: Drizzle, Humidity: 88%, Later 66??F - 57??F. Condition: Rain.
[0:00] <eXpl01t> !w Aracaju
[0:00] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Aracaju, Sergipe. Temp 81??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 70%, Later 88??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:00] <Viperfang> !wnorwich
[0:00] <eXpl01t> PiBot: nice bot! :) I live there :)
[0:00] <Viperfang> !w norwich
[0:00] <PiBot> Viperfang: in Norwich, Norfolk. Temp 48??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 57??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:00] <eXpl01t> omg, 48F?
[0:01] <eXpl01t> here 81F :(
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> You know what would be cool.... creating a program that would take any code/cipher, etc
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> and decode/decipher it
[0:02] <eXpl01t> !w Itabaiana
[0:02] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Itabaiana, Para??ba. Temp 81??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 70%, Later 90??F - 68??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:02] <eXpl01t> there is an Itabaiana at Sergipe too =/
[0:02] <wiiguy> !w spijkenisse
[0:02] <PiBot> wiiguy: in Spijkenisse, South Holland. Temp 50??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 61??F - 48??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[0:02] <eXpl01t> !w Itabaiana Sergipe
[0:02] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Itabaiana, Sergipe. Temp 81??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 70%, Later 88??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:02] <eXpl01t> ohhhhhh
[0:02] <eXpl01t> it has Itabaiana Sergipe =D
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> !w 93501
[0:02] <PiBot> GabrialDestruir: in Mojave, CA on Mon May 14 21:35:00 2012. Temp 86??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 5%, Later 88??F - 63??F. Condition: Clear.
[0:03] <bootc> can the bot speak sensible units like ??C ?
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> !w 93501 C
[0:03] <PiBot> GabrialDestruir: in Mojave, CA on Mon May 14 21:35:00 2012. Temp 86??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 5%, Later 88??F - 63??F. Condition: Clear.
[0:03] <eXpl01t> !w Campina Grande
[0:03] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Campina Grande, Para??ba. Temp 81??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 90??F - 68??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> yea I don't remember how though
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> !w set
[0:03] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> !ws
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> !wg
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> !w options
[0:03] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> hm
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> oh well
[0:04] <eXpl01t> !w Raspberry Pi
[0:04] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:04] <eXpl01t> !w Cumbe
[0:04] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:04] <eXpl01t> !w Telha
[0:04] <PiBot> Not found.
[0:04] <eXpl01t> lol
[0:04] <astom> is anyone having this messages in dmesg?
[0:04] <astom> mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s).
[0:04] <astom> *these
[0:04] <eXpl01t> !w Mantena
[0:04] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Mantena, Minas Gerais. Temp ??F. Condition: , Humidity: 0%, Later 84??F - 66??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[0:05] <eXpl01t> !w Salvador
[0:05] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Salvador on Mon May 14 21:32:00 2012. Temp 84??F. Condition: Drizzle, Humidity: 58%, Later 88??F - 72??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[0:05] <eXpl01t> chance of storm at salvador and nothing here :(
[0:05] <eXpl01t> !w Aracaju
[0:05] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Aracaju, Sergipe. Temp 81??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 70%, Later 88??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:05] <eXpl01t> chance of rain??
[0:05] <eXpl01t> that's pretty nice lol
[0:05] <astom> !w Cordoba
[0:05] <PiBot> astom: in Cordova, Andalusia. Temp 77??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 41%, Later 99??F - 63??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[0:06] <astom> !w Cordoba, Argentina
[0:06] <PiBot> astom: in C??rdoba, C??rdoba Province. Temp 68??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 33%, Later 75??F - 50??F. Condition: Clear.
[0:06] <bootc> !w Monmouth
[0:06] <PiBot> bootc: in Monmouth, IL on Mon May 14 21:35:00 2012. Temp 81??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 12%, Later 81??F - 54??F. Condition: Clear.
[0:06] <bootc> erm, no
[0:06] <bootc> !w Monmouth, wales
[0:06] <PiBot> bootc: in Wales, ME on Mon May 14 20:53:00 2012. Temp 62??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 70%, Later 70??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Showers.
[0:06] <bootc> no, not that either
[0:06] <bootc> bad PiBot
[0:06] <eXpl01t> astom: es de Argentina? :D
[0:06] <bootc> !w Monmouth, Wales, UK
[0:06] <PiBot> bootc: in Monmouth, Monmouthshire. Temp 45??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 87%, Later 63??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[0:06] <bootc> that's the one
[0:07] <eXpl01t> astom: voy para ah?? en Septembro
[0:07] <bootc> !w Barnstaple
[0:07] <PiBot> bootc: in Barnstaple, Devon. Temp 48??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 57??F - 43??F. Condition: Rain.
[0:07] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)
[0:07] <eXpl01t> voy visitar Buenos Aires =D
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[0:07] * PiBot sets mode +v jardiamj
[0:07] <eXpl01t> y practicar un poco m??s de espa??ol =D
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[0:07] * PiBot sets mode +v wiiguy
[0:08] <jardiamj> espa??ol...
[0:08] <eXpl01t> s??
[0:08] <eXpl01t> i speak portuguese
[0:08] <eXpl01t> i've been studying english since i was a kid
[0:08] * chrisx (~chris@dismalroar.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[0:08] <jardiamj> yo hablo espa??ol, I speak English e eu falo portuguese tamben...lol
[0:08] <eXpl01t> and i had started to study spanish since last year
[0:09] <eXpl01t> so now i can speak 3 languages :D
[0:09] <eXpl01t> that's pretty nice
[0:09] <eXpl01t> lol
[0:09] <eXpl01t> me je parle un peu de fran??ais aussi =D
[0:10] <eXpl01t> jardiamj: e ent??o? voc?? j?? comprou o seu RPi?
[0:10] <jardiamj> eu estou nos Estados Unidos e tenho um amigo do Brasil..
[0:10] * Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[0:10] <eXpl01t> legal
[0:12] <jardiamj> sim, meu RPi chego na cuarta feira da semana passada
[0:12] <eXpl01t> poxa que coisa boa
[0:12] <eXpl01t> queria muito comprar logo o meu
[0:12] <jardiamj> mais eu so comezo a jogar com ele..
[0:12] <eXpl01t> mas v??o demorar muito ainda para vender por aqui
[0:13] <eXpl01t> ser?? que ele roda o nginx tranquilamente? Estava pensando em fazer um servidor web com o meu (quando o tiver)
[0:13] <jardiamj> vc e brasileiro?
[0:13] <eXpl01t> sim
[0:13] <eXpl01t> infelizmente
[0:14] <jardiamj> por que infelizmente?
[0:14] * prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[0:14] <eXpl01t> porque tudo de bom demora para chegar aqui
[0:14] <eXpl01t> e quando chega custa caro
[0:14] <jardiamj> eu posso tentar rodar o nginx no meu e logo te falo como va...
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir> You placed #100419 with a time of 03:00:40
[0:15] * |SLB| (~slabua@host91-160-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:15] * PiBot sets mode +v |SLB|
[0:15] <eXpl01t> se puder me falar como ficou seria de grande utilidade
[0:15] <eXpl01t> seria interessante saber quanto de mem??ria livre ficar?? ap??s rodar o nginx
[0:15] * [SLB] (~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[0:15] <eXpl01t> etc
[0:16] <jardiamj> entendo, eu tava lendo no foro dos problemas para as pessoas que querem comprar o RPi no Brasil..
[0:16] * SStrife (~ss@ip-218-131-161-203.static.pipenetworks.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:16] * PiBot sets mode +v SStrife
[0:16] <eXpl01t> pois ??
[0:16] <eXpl01t> vai demorar muito para chegar aqui ainda
[0:16] <jardiamj> vou tentar mais tarde...
[0:16] <eXpl01t> eu estava com o cart??o de cr??dito na m??o para comprar no dia 16/03
[0:16] <eXpl01t> e n??o pude comprar
[0:17] <eXpl01t> porque eles n??o enviavam para o Brasil
[0:17] * Revo (~Rich@host86-172-16-224.range86-172.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[0:17] * prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:17] * PiBot sets mode +v prebz
[0:17] <eXpl01t> quando chegar aqui, ao inv??s de custar entre R$70 e R$100 (que ?? uma equival??ncia do pre??o em d??lares), n??o duvido que custar?? no m??nimo uns R$200 a R$350
[0:17] <astom> ich sprechen deutsch
[0:17] * cul (~cul@n02.bnc.korkad.nu) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[0:17] <eXpl01t> astom: the correct would be "ich spreche deutsch", isnt it? :D
[0:18] <astom> hahaha
[0:18] <Thorn_> dirty foreigners
[0:18] <eXpl01t> lol
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone want dropbox for their Pi, quick way to share files to it. http://db.tt/wWet5FR
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> Sign up and get three gigabytes instead of two by completing dropquest :p
[0:18] <eXpl01t> i'm not german, i just studied the basics of it 10 years ago lol
[0:18] <astom> does anyone know how to poweroff a usb device?
[0:18] <astom> i mean, a usb port
[0:18] <Thorn_> pull the plug
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> Unplug it
[0:18] <Thorn_> cut the wire
[0:19] <D34TH> always cut the red wire
[0:19] <astom> no, i want the pi still running
[0:19] <eXpl01t> man you should buy some raspberry pis and re-sell them to brazil
[0:19] <D34TH> unplug it>
[0:19] <eXpl01t> lots of ppl to buy them here
[0:19] <eXpl01t> including me
[0:19] <GabrialDestruir> Unless the red wire was switched with the green wire
[0:19] <GabrialDestruir> Then never cut the red wire
[0:19] <astom> i dont want to turn off the raspi
[0:19] <astom> i want to turn off just the usb ports!
[0:20] <GabrialDestruir> I think he wants to know how to kill a singular port
[0:20] <eXpl01t> i guess you want to disable the usb hub
[0:20] <GabrialDestruir> and I don't think that's possible
[0:20] <astom> yes
[0:20] * MrWatson (~MrW@184.53.134.111) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:20] <eXpl01t> search in the Internet how to disable usb ports/or hub in Linux
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[0:20] * PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac
[0:20] <eXpl01t> using the bash
[0:20] <GabrialDestruir> You could stop the system from recognizing the port, but I think it'd still give power, ya?
[0:20] <astom> I want to do this: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/USB_Remote_Cable
[0:20] <eXpl01t> guess it is possible, but i cant tell anything to you
[0:20] <eXpl01t> cuz i dont know
[0:21] <SStrife> you'd be better off using GPIO for that
[0:21] <eXpl01t> can anybody give me ssh or telnet access to a raspberry pi?
[0:22] * warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[0:22] <Hexxeh> mpthompson: you around?
[0:22] * [SLBoff] (~slabua@host251-68-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:22] * PiBot sets mode +v [SLBoff]
[0:22] <eXpl01t> you guys could run some programs/servers in the raspberry pi and after run htop and take some printscreens
[0:22] <eXpl01t> then post them in the Internet
[0:22] <eXpl01t> it could be very useful to ppl
[0:22] <jardiamj> I could eXpl01t ...
[0:23] <eXpl01t> jardiamj: if you could, please pvt me with the ip to connect to it
[0:23] <jardiamj> but I
[0:23] * |SLB| (~slabua@host91-160-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[0:23] <eXpl01t> i just want to run some things, like htop
[0:23] <jardiamj> I??m not home right now
[0:23] <eXpl01t> see the cpuinfo file
[0:23] <eXpl01t> etc
[0:23] <eXpl01t> ok
[0:23] <eXpl01t> i can wait until you get home :)
[0:23] <astom> eXpl01t: how can we be sure you wont rm -r /
[0:24] <GabrialDestruir> Well....
[0:24] <GabrialDestruir> by blacklisting that command
[0:24] <SStrife> the crowd last night didn't seem to know, maybe you guys do, does directfb use tonnes of CPU time?
[0:24] <eXpl01t> astom: you cant, but i wont do it... only share it if you are still trying to learn it and will reinstall linux another time
[0:24] <SStrife> in the context of an SDL app?
[0:24] <GabrialDestruir> someone else had a web bash server running, and he could whitelist/blacklist commands
[0:25] <astom> I guess i will
[0:25] <astom> with a new sd card
[0:25] <astom> can you wait?
[0:25] <r00t|home> GabrialDestruir: no need to blacklist, just run the commands in a chroot as an unprivileged user...
[0:25] <eXpl01t> astom: so could you open the ssh/telnet to me? :)
[0:25] <astom> r00t|home: how do I chroot a ssh conection?
[0:26] <astom> eXpl01t: probably
[0:26] <eXpl01t> if you could, i can wait the time you need to do it :D
[0:26] <r00t|home> astom: by setting a login shell that does the chrooting before running the actual shell
[0:26] <r00t|home> astom: <astom> I want to do this: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/USB_Remote_Cable <--- why don't you use ptp? ;)
[0:26] <eXpl01t> does it have python installed?
[0:27] * LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[0:27] * CuriosTiger (stian@kenworth.bigrig.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[0:27] <astom> it will
[0:27] <eXpl01t> i would run some functions (like some exponentiation and math functions) to see how fast it is :D
[0:27] <astom> r00t|home: ptp? I just want to trigger the shutter from the raspi
[0:28] <r00t|home> astom: chdk has a module that adds remote control via ptp (usb camera control protocol)... with the added bonus that you can also download the images using that...
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[0:28] <eXpl01t> but if you are going to do it, do with a different SD card, you can trust me but it's better to you to create a new sd card with a new linux installation for that
[0:28] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-177-229.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[0:28] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[0:29] <r00t|home> astom: also, to interface the usb shutter hack to the fruitcake, i'd much rather use a gpio line...
[0:29] <SStrife> you could even use gert if you were worried about killing your pi
[0:30] <SStrife> gertboard, that is
[0:30] <astom> i dont know how to send the ptp signal to trigger the shutter
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[0:30] <astom> is there a program in linux for that?
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[0:30] <astom> eXpl01t: ok
[0:30] <r00t|home> astom: more like, there is _only_ a linux program ;)
[0:31] <astom> will prepare a car
[0:31] <r00t|home> astom: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/PTP_Extension
[0:31] <astom> r00t|home: great!!
[0:31] <r00t|home> astom: you get full control over the camera via chdk's scripting, and can also download pictures...
[0:32] <r00t|home> astom: the downside is: i never got it to work reliably with the cameras i tries... :\
[0:32] <astom> that is superb... didnt know about it
[0:32] <astom> ohh
[0:32] <r00t|home> astom: but it's wortha try i think, as it's a lot nicer than that shutter hack
[0:32] <r00t|home> *tried
[0:32] <astom> of course it is
[0:32] <jardiamj> eXpl01t: are you gonna be around later?
[0:33] <jardiamj> I mean in about 2 hrs...
[0:33] <r00t|home> (the big problem is, ptp is notmally only enabled when the camera is in "play" mode, and switching to picture-taking with ptp/usb still enabled is problematic)
[0:33] <eXpl01t> jardiamj: i guess i'll be here in 2 hrs
[0:33] <r00t|home> astom: also, head over to #chdk ;)
[0:34] <astom> r00t|home: mmmmm will tell you what happens
[0:35] <astom> thanks!
[0:35] <r00t|home> astom: also you have to check if the ptp extension is ported to your camera model/version
[0:35] <astom> ohh, little detail... ill check
[0:35] <astom> thanks again
[0:35] <r00t|home> astom: failing there, there's always the uart ;) http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UART
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[0:36] <r00t|home> *failing that
[0:36] <astom> eXpl01t: if you wait im gonna give you access
[0:36] <astom> UART is god :p
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[0:39] * gurgalof (~gurgalof@dhcp-193-218.nomad.chalmers.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:40] <astom> is it necesary to "poweroff" before disconnecting?
[0:40] <r00t|home> disconnecting what?
[0:40] <astom> the power cable
[0:41] <r00t|home> depends on if you care about files being closed cleanly, the write cache being written back to disk, and the filesystem in a clean state
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> Halting tends to be good for the system.
[0:41] <astom> then I was doing it right
[0:41] <astom> even though the raspi still on
[0:41] <astom> i know linux is powered off
[0:42] * rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-pvbksfneusryucfu) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> But as long as you don't care about that, just pulling the plug isn't going to like fri it or something.
[0:42] <astom> GabrialDestruir: I know, haha
[0:42] <astom> just dont want to mess with .conf files of servers
[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> 5 steps forward....
[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> 6 steps back
[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> We've got this great microcomputer thing....
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> but it doesn't automatically shut off like a normal computer
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> -le sigh-
[0:43] <r00t|home> lol
[0:43] <MBS> wait theres a reason to turn it off?
[0:43] <r00t|home> doesn't the fruitcake have soft power control?
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> It reminds me of the days of Windows 98
[0:43] <astom> hahha
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> "It is now safe to turn your computer off"
[0:43] <MBS> lol
[0:44] <astom> so, i can take out the sd card without disconnecting the ac power
[0:44] <plugwash> At least quote things correctly, it was "It is now safe to turn off your computer"
[0:44] <GabrialDestruir> Theoretically yes, but you'll still have power cycle to reboot the system from a "shut down" state
[0:45] <astom> ohh ok, cant i WOL?
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> I'm assuming not, because the entire system is "shut down"
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> it just happens to have power running through it.
[0:45] <astom> understand
[0:46] <r00t|home> how about... like... kexec or such?
[0:46] <Simon-> you should properly umount the filesystem
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Though it would be cool if you could create a sort of "shut down" state in which it'd detect card status and when you replaced the card it'd reboot.
[0:46] <r00t|home> GabrialDestruir: kexec or pivot_root into some code that waits for a card change and then reboots...
[0:47] <r00t|home> the latter is a matter of some shellscripting
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[0:47] * iccanobif (iccanobif@host42-134-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:48] <r00t|home> or, if you don't care about having it all clean, just remount the card readonly and wait for it to be changed
[0:48] <GabrialDestruir> Instead of "Shut down" you could call it "Card Swap" goes into the card swap state and reloads the new system.... I just wish my TV could handle reboots with the pi
[0:48] <r00t|home> echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger
[0:48] <r00t|home> (will remount all FSs readonly_
[0:48] <r00t|home> )
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[0:49] <r00t|home> you could also do a normal reboot and swap the card at the right time ;)
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be better to shutdown into a halted state sort of, with all the proper files closed save whatever script is doing the check/reboot
[0:49] <Simon-> it's probably practical to do that on halt
[0:49] <r00t|home> GabrialDestruir: i was suggesting the sysrq soluction as a quick hack
[0:49] <Simon-> it's not like it can do anything else
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[0:50] <r00t|home> one could just replace /etc/init.d/halt
[0:50] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I knew why my TV won't accept signals from the pi after a reboot .-.
[0:50] <r00t|home> at that point all FSs are umounted and stuff
[0:51] <r00t|home> "signals"?
[0:51] <GabrialDestruir> HDMI
[0:51] <GabrialDestruir> It's like after the Pi reboots my TV ignores it.
[0:52] <Viperfang> have you tried enableing the force hdmi option?
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[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> No, hadn't thought of that, I'll give it a try in a few minutes
[0:53] <eXpl01t> astom: can you see my private messages?
[0:54] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey... it actually rebooted that time
[0:54] <GabrialDestruir> Without it, I'm still testing it .-.
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[0:55] <mkopack> ok, What am I doing wrong?
[0:56] <mkopack> Wrote the standard debian image to an SD card, put it in the pi, powered up, HDMI display is reporting no signal
[0:57] <mkopack> I DID take the SD card and run it through GParted to move the swap partition to the end of my card, and resize the image partition to use the remaining space???.
[0:57] <piless> take the sd card out, blow on it, then put it back in
[0:57] <piless> worked with my snes
[0:58] <mkopack> Hmm, ok, well, I just tried with a 2nd card that had Raspbian-r2 on it that I hadn't resized and that came right up
[0:58] <eXpl01t> astom: can you see my private messages?
[0:58] <mkopack> so maybe eI screwed something up by resizing the partitions
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[0:59] <piless> I may be a bit out of the loop, but isn't it a bad idea to resize a partition with data that you want to keep on it?
[0:59] <mkopack> Well, how do you resize it AFTER you've imaged the SD card then?
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[1:00] <mkopack> I have a 16Gb SD, I want to use it all not just 2GB
[1:00] <tzarc> resize the partition table, then resize the filesystem?
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[1:01] <mkopack> This is exactly what I did for the card on my panda board and that worked just fine
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[1:01] * tzarc nods
[1:02] * piless nods too
[1:02] <tzarc> it's not rocket science!
[1:03] <tzarc> (although I have a piece of paper saying I can do rocket science)
[1:03] <piless> not exactly brain surgery though is it?
[1:03] <tzarc> *grin*
[1:03] <tzarc> awesome skit
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> Rocket science: http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php - cool video on what the space hopper at http://img.ly/i5JQ - is for
[1:03] <tzarc> although if I remember correctly, rocket science came out on top ;)
[1:04] <piless> rocket science is easy, you've just got to be careful when converting from imperial to metric
[1:04] <tzarc> damn americans
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[1:05] <tzarc> ok, time for work
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[1:06] <mkopack> So, exactly how DOES one resize the partitions without losing the data after you've written the image to the SD card?
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> When you consider that the computers on the original space crafts had smaller everything than the pi
[1:06] <mkopack> Because previously you guys told me to just use Gparted after I've written the image to the SD card to make it bigger
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> one might argue that it is indeed rocket science :p
[1:06] <Simon-> resize2fs?
[1:06] <piless> GabrialDestruir: I think the transistors were bigger back then
[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> Fair enough.
[1:07] <mkopack> hell, the IC was a TOTLALY new thing back in the Apollo era
[1:07] <mkopack> I just watched some shows on Moon Rocket tech???
[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> But smaller processing power, smaller storage, smaller ram etc, as in the size of how much it can do not it's actual physical size :p
[1:07] <piless> mkopack: I may be wrong, I just remember it being risky.
[1:08] <mkopack> The IMU guidance system was some totally new thing that had just been developed, and it was using IC's??? At one point Apollo was using like 80% of all the IC's produced and 1/2 of those weren't even meeting QC checks
[1:08] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Simplier tech, less to go wrong.
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> A single pi could probably do everything the original spacecraft computers did....
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't necessarily mean less to go wrong, but I get what you mean.
[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> It removed a lot of chances for error.
[1:10] <mkopack> One of the ways they would test the chips was to weigh them very carefully, then super chill them in LN2, then reheat them and if they didn't weigh exactly the same, they were rejected as it meant water vapor got into the chip
[1:10] <piless> GabrialDestruir: You'll never reach the moon without accelerated x
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[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> Dude..... what if we could build a rocket that reached the moon.... that isn't much bigger than a car,controlled it all via a pi.... we could put a Pi on the moon!
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:12] <mkopack> ok, there we go, this time the card worked???
[1:12] <mkopack> even after resizing
[1:12] <mkopack> it's booting now
[1:12] <piless> mkopack: did you blow on it?
[1:12] <mkopack> lol. no
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine if you did that though, you'd somehow tick off a bunch of people.
[1:12] <mkopack> I leave the blow-jobs to you
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:13] <piless> GabrialDestruir: a bunch of german hackers are planning to launch their own satellite network
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[1:14] <piless> just ask them if they can take the pi up there, and then just fire it in the general direction of the moon
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[1:14] <GabrialDestruir> Pirate bay wants to do that.
[1:14] <GabrialDestruir> create a Low Orbit Server Sattelite
[1:14] <r00t|home> :D
[1:14] <GabrialDestruir> though I do see a problem with that...
[1:15] <piless> I don't even know what pirate bay is anymore.. The original owners are locked up, so who is running it now? They tried to sell it at one point but that fell through, it's quite confusing..
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[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> This whole idea of a server in space that runs Pirate Bay.... is that it has to send and receive signals from somewhere right?
[1:15] <piless> GabrialDestruir: The chinese will no doubt shoot it down
[1:15] <r00t|home> why would the chinee shoot down piratebay?
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be considered an act of war though piless, at least, that's the idea behind it.
[1:15] <r00t|home> *chinese
[1:16] <piless> r00t|home: paranoia
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> A server in Low Orbit cannot be touched without it being a declaration of war supposedly.
[1:16] <piless> GabrialDestruir: War against the pirate bay?
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> However, the major issue is, I don't see how they think it'll protect them.
[1:17] <GabrialDestruir> They'll still have to have ground stations to accept the data.
[1:17] <GabrialDestruir> which the governments could still go after and shut down.
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[1:17] <r00t|home> nah, they'll run their own wireless ISP from up there
[1:17] <piless> They should have gone with the principailty of sealand
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[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> They'd still have to connect it to the internet somehow, unless they're expecting everyone who wants to use PirateBay to start sporting sattelites.
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[1:18] <piless> r00t|home: lightsquared tech?
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[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine the only way they could get way with a LOSS and have no ground station, is if they somehow hijacked into preexisting groundstations
[1:23] <piless> you're over thinking it
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[1:24] <Thorn_> hey farnell
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[1:24] <piless> of course they'll have ground stations, hell the average user won't have any contact with the satellite, they will just see cached copies, the point is. If someone attacked the bay, all they could take down was the cached outer access points,
[1:24] <Thorn_> how about you stop phoning me about the god damn raspberry pi
[1:25] <piless> Thorn_: I don't know if you're aware of this, but this isn't farnell.. Hell this room doesn't even have anything to do with the rpi foundation, it's just an unofficial chat.
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> Which doesn't actually prevent the site from being attacked.
[1:26] <Thorn_> dont give me your spiel, this channel is sponsered by farnell.
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> Though I suppose they wouldn't even have to hold a cached copy, just act as a router.
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> No it isn't... lol
[1:26] <Thorn_> yes it is
[1:26] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Indeed, but it would be a simple matter to just change to another cache server, it wouldn't be like when they were raided in sweden and all their servers taken
[1:26] <Thorn_> i was there when the contract was signed
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[1:27] <piless> GabrialDestruir: It would have to be a cached copy, it would be way too expensive to actually route traffic to a server floating in the sky
[1:27] <piless> not to mention the latency rates
[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine if they're using a sattelite it wouldn't be much different than exist ISP services, the only difference is there wouldn't be a monthly access cost, only the cost to run the equipment.
[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> First off.... why would an IRC chat need a sponsor? Secondly... why would farnell sponsor the "unofficial" chat as opposed to an official one? Thirdly.... if this were a farnell sponsored site, where the hell is the farnell rep keeping us all in check and informing us of stock updates?
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[1:31] <piless> GabrialDestruir: 1, server costs, 2 existing popularity, they prefer a long leash approach
[1:33] <GabrialDestruir> Fair enough, but the servers are ran by a preexisting IRC group, they could easily talk with an op to dub this an "Official" RPi chat, and thirdly more like cowardism, can't imagine a farnell rep would want to get in 1000 Meters of this room.
[1:33] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Maybe part of the contract that Thorn_ mentioned was that the existing management insisted that the group retain it's unofficial title for tax purposes
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[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> Which still avoids the question of sponorship in the first place, since the chatroom is on preexisting servers, and an unofficial room doesn't exactly do anything for the sponsor all things consider, and with the lack of a farnell rep here.
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> What's the point of the sponsorship to begin with?
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[1:37] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Perhaps the ceo wants to give back to the community
[1:39] <GabrialDestruir> So.... farnell sponsorshipped a room that wouldn't need sponsorship, so that they could give back to a community that overall tends to hate them at the moment?
[1:39] <piless> I heard the ceo has 20 cats, so it would explain some things
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[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> Somehow I still doubt a sponsorship of this room...
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> They could have sponsored freenode, genreally
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose, but then that wouldn't have anything what so ever to do specifically with this room.
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[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> huh.... doesn't paying anually usually cost you less in the long run?
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[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey... adsense is finally paying off again... only took me three years xD
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[1:54] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose if I actually started using it for something besides a placeholder, I might actually make more money with it .-.
[1:54] <gurgalof> link?
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[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> thecobradays.net is I think where most my traffic comes through
[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> but thoughtsofthemasses.com was the project I was trying to get off the ground last year.
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[1:59] <gurgalof> webprojects... i should get my site started some time...
[2:00] <gurgalof> http://gurgalof.com/ haven't touched since 2 years...
[2:00] <gurgalof> i hope to change that, document my stuff i build, and post tutorials---
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[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm gonna kill my attempt at a blogging website.
[2:02] <gurgalof> i have killed the idea of making money on the internet
[2:02] * SpeedEvil has a 4-letter ,com
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Chosen by the simple expedient of putting snipes for a fiver on all upcoming ebay domain auctions for 4 letter domains.
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[2:04] <gurgalof> i own the domains dnstunnel.se b??p.se kamel??s??.eu and ofcourse gurgalof.com
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> Well the idea behind was it was suppose to be like wordpress, but I wanted to make it more customizable than wordpress.
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> The ability for people to request plugins and have them made available.
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Do you have more or less than a dozen users?
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[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> Less than, and I killed registration when I started getting 5+ spam accounts a day from the same user.
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[2:06] <Syliss> Fun.
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> and I've restarted the site about thrice since then, so the only user is actually me and the others didn't blog anyways....
[2:06] <Syliss> Wordpress has made me money since I've broken my leg
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe I could convert pi goers to my site, they could use it to log their Pi experiments....
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> -goes and makes my first Pi post a bit belated-
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[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know... I could actually see the Pi being useful in classrooms, more than just your programming and stuff too.
[2:26] <Viperfang> Hooah!
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[2:27] <mabrowning> All: I was very wrong earlier. start.elf is read by the VideoCore III
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Buy a bunch of Pi computers, set them up like a normal computer with some windows management, just have kids carry around their own SD cards.
[2:27] <mabrowning> It isn't arm instructinos at all
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Everyone gets a generic OS with like some wordprocessing apps, and web browsing, etc.
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Then they can just plug it into whatever computer they have access to and all their stuff is there. Kind of like todays "network accounts" except better.
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[2:32] <mpthompson> GabrialDestruir, I like your idea. It would be similar to kids walking around with Puppy Linux on a USB drive and booting it up on whatever computers are nearby. However, the Pi can greatly reduce the cost for such a scenario which could make it closer to happenning.
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[2:32] <k-milo> Hi
[2:32] <IT_Sean> ahoy
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[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed.
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> It'd also remove the variations of hardware in schools that might not be so lucky as to buy all their computers in bulk.
[2:33] <trevorman> the RPi isn't particularly speedy though
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[2:33] <trevorman> just using a web browser is quite slow
[2:33] <fabrice> and they would likely lose their small sd card
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> Well if I recall one of the major issues currently with web browsing has to do with the whole x-windows driver bit.
[2:34] <trevorman> updates for the SD image would be a hassle also
[2:34] <mpthompson> The problem is that if such a thing were to happen, administrators will want to hand out expensive iPads to all kids... Never underestimate the stupidity of the bureaucratic mind.
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> How so?
[2:34] <trevorman> you can't guarantee that the OS on the SD will be in any particular state since the owner of the card could have modified it
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> Fundamental problem.
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> Porn prevention.
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> If it doesn't address this, it can't be used.
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> All could be built into the OS
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> You don't have to give kids root access either, though presumably they could always go home and screw with the system though and perhaps get root access.
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[2:36] <trevorman> ehh. in that case you might as well just fix the SD into the RPi and host all their files on a server somewhere. the OS stays in a known state and they can't lose their stuff either.
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Though considering most schools have network firewalls to prevent "porn" that isn't so much an issue.
[2:37] <IT_Sean> 'less kids put it on the card at home, then bring it in via sneakernet
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> True, but kids can do that already, it's not like they need a Pi for that.
[2:37] <IT_Sean> just sayin'
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[2:37] <k-milo> Where can I see the prices of differents companies in the shipping for a Raspberry Pi to U.S.?
[2:37] <mpthompson> Why worry about whether a 4GB SD card that costs $6 gets screwed up? The kids can be told keep their documents in their account. It would be easy to create software that would rebuild a broken install leaving the account documents intact.
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> There is that, but see what I'm thinking is most "network" accounts don't allow for any sort of customizability.
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> It's more you get a drive you can store stuff on as opposed to an account that's actually yours.
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[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> Where as with something like the Pi card, you could customize it to whatever and make it look how you want, sort of an expression of self, ya know?
[2:40] <mpthompson> One oberservation I have about middle school kids is they love to customize everything... I have a 13 year old daughter and have first hand experience. Have you looked at their phones?
[2:40] <IT_Sean> I have not
[2:40] <trevorman> depends on what level of customization you're talking about here
[2:40] <shirro> getting kids to customise their computers is one way to get them to take ownership and look after them
[2:41] <trevorman> if its just like fonts, wallpaper, personal apps then sure. if you're talking about actually customizing the OS then thats where it gets tricky.
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'm talking like all the little things you could do with windows for example.
[2:41] <mpthompson> As long as the card continues to boot and can run apps, who really cares? Kids can go deep as they want. When the screw up the card gets wiped and they learn in the process.
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> You can go in and changes all sorts of things, but it doesn't necessarily change how it runs.
[2:41] <shirro> actually there is no getting involved. they will naturally customise. letting kids have control of things and trusting them is generally a really good thing
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> I have to agree, a kid screws up his card?
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[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> Take it to a tech, they wipe the OS kid starts over.
[2:42] <mpthompson> Shirro, I agree. We put way to many fences around kids these days under the guise of "think of the kids"...
[2:42] <trevorman> i'm more "ugh. think of the IT staff who have to issue updates for apps"
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Put like the Documents and Storage on a second partition so it's separate from the OS then mount those partitions to the proper folders.
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Then a tech can go in wipe the OS and leave all the saved school files or downloads or w/e untouched.
[2:44] <mpthompson> Pick apps that are very stable and only need to be updated at the beginning of a school session. On a device like the Pi, if you have to update an app during the middle of a school year, you are doing it wrong.
[2:44] <shirro> it is counterproductive. we try and look after kids and end up killing their creativity and enthusiasm for learning. my maths teacher used to give me the keys to the school computer room on weekends to use the computers unsupervised. it is so different now.
[2:44] <ReggieUK> anyone that has ever had to fix computers for kids knows that getting them to tinker with their PCs doesn't make them take ownership
[2:45] <ReggieUK> it just makes them remember dad is awesome and can fix it if I break it
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Result.
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> Well keep in mind, depending how far you want to go, you could start equipping desks with "dumb Pi's"
[2:45] <trevorman> depends on the kid
[2:45] <ReggieUK> oh sure
[2:45] <trevorman> some will thrive with the extra responsbilities and abilities
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> get like one of those hollow desks, weld in a pi and power it somehow with network access....
[2:45] <trevorman> some will just break it either intentionally or by accident
[2:45] <ReggieUK> tbh I'm all for leaving the pi as open as possible
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> during homeroom kid pops in his card and updates
[2:46] <mpthompson> ReggieUK, that's true for most kids. But 5% to 10% will look deeper and that is what the Pi wants to capture. The other 90% will not give a rip and nothing will change that.
[2:46] <ReggieUK> but you've definitely got to think about the kit of the school involved
[2:46] <trevorman> overvolting still blow that OTP fuse?
[2:46] <ReggieUK> all well and good them being cheap but I bet the school will only want to buy them once!
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> I think it'll be more than 5-10%
[2:46] <ReggieUK> again, agreed, although it will encourage more kids to show the other kids what to do
[2:46] <mpthompson> I would like to think so, but a little pessemistic in that respect.
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Sure it might start out as 5-10% but as other kids see that so and so is doing such and such a thing with his OS, they'll want that too!
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Cause you know in school, it's all about who's coolest.
[2:47] <ReggieUK> I Think we'd ideally all like to see it but the trick is going to be engaging with kids in the first place
[2:47] <mpthompson> Cool means many different things to different kids.
[2:47] <shirro> ReggieUK: the school shouldn't buy anything. The government here hands out stacks of money to parents to buy computers from their kids. Parents can buy their kids a handful of Pi just like exercise books
[2:47] <mpthompson> Gotta go. I love the idea...
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> Nah.
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> The school should invest in Pi's for their school.
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> If the kid wants one at home, leave that to the parent.
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi's in the school should be stationary work stations.
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> Somewhere you can pop in your SD card and go.
[2:48] <trevorman> the ideal solution would be that the school or LEB just gives each kid a RPi. Just provide monitor, mouse, keyboard etc...
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> Nah, I think that's much more riskier than just giving kids SDcards.
[2:49] <ReggieUK> not sure that's going to be entirely practical, I would've thought they'd need to keep a tight rein on the usage, it's not like you can kensington lock one to a bench :D
[2:49] <shirro> I prefer individual ownership. Supporting poor kids with a safety net is great but if you want to get kids to engage with something you need to make it theirs absolutely. It they choose to trash it they will have to live with the consequences.
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> With the right case, Reggie, you could.
[2:50] <trevorman> if the kid actually has their own RPi then they can take it home and do work from there
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Let the parents invest in a Pi for the kid.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> School has theirs, kids have theirs.
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[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Because you have to take into consideration too bullies.
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[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> If a kid is getting bullied on there's a change the bully will destroy their Pi, who's gonna pay for that? The parents of the bullied kid.
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[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> chance*
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> Or the school.
[2:52] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: most kids here take a phone to school. phones cost way more than a pi
[2:52] <trevorman> you can make that argument about anything a kid carries with them to school
[2:53] <shirro> if a bully trashes your phone they are probably going to get shanked in a dark corridor. kids take their phones really seriously
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> This is true, but a phone or w/e is sort of an "at your own risk thing" and isn't necessarily required for the learning of the child.
[2:54] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: the pi costs less than most text books
[2:54] <trevorman> that SD card is required though. thats easily lost and stolen.
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> It could easily be both, yea.
[2:55] <trevorman> you'd want some kind of backup system anyway for their documents
[2:55] <trevorman> they can't lose all of their work because somebody stolen their card or they dropped it somewhere
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[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Could use the network to make backups of their systems like once a day.
[2:56] <RBlunderbuss> yo a_c_r
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> Depending how far you want to go with Pi integration into the classroom that is.
[2:56] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r got my radio today - ever get gnuradio on the RPi?
[2:57] <trevorman> its a good idea but it isn't simple at all
[2:57] <ReggieUK> nfs shares
[2:57] <ReggieUK> then there's no backing up
[2:57] <trevorman> I expect there to be malicious apps passed around also
[2:57] <shirro> It is a shame the Pi doesn't have two sd card slots. Then making a backup would have been trivial
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> NFS shares leaves a huge issue of the kid takes it home, then he doesn't have his files.
[2:58] <trevorman> run this cool game! and it'll be quietly corrupting your documents
[2:58] <trevorman> shirro: usb stick could work
[2:58] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, sure but they could sync their files before they leave
[2:58] <ReggieUK> thus never actually having to backup but always having a backup
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Depending on how small a system you're using, you could use the same theory to make complete OS backups.
[2:58] <ReggieUK> ok, syncing puts the honus on the kids but it takes the weight off the admin :D
[2:59] <ReggieUK> depends on the size of the school really
[2:59] <ReggieUK> local school here is 1000+ kids
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> Like a TB drive, if each kid has 4GB SDCards, you could get 250 kids per drive.
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[3:01] <RBlunderbuss> each kid could get a dropbox and sync for free, perhaps
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> and I think my schools offered more than 4GBs of storage space.... so it's not completely unreasonable.
[3:01] <shirro> Kids should be using some sort of version control system with a remote backup. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of really kid friendly alternatives
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[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> Dropbox.
[3:01] <shirro> Not on arm
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[3:02] <RBlunderbuss> no dropbox api for arm, but you can always use a different pc to make the backup? or does the solution require backing up with only the RPi?
[3:02] <shirro> Perhaps the foundation should look to run an UbuntuOne type service
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> rsync
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[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine if say the foundation and schools put a little pressure on Dropbox it wouldn't take much for Dropbox to pop out an Arm supported version.
[3:04] <RBlunderbuss> google drive may just do it for all we know, too
[3:04] <RBlunderbuss> the are supposedly adding linux support this month
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> Google Drive might be the better alternative for schools.
[3:04] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: not much benefit for dropbox having a stack of free accounts is there? Also US Internet companies don't like dealing with minors.
[3:05] <mervaka> speaking of google drive
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[3:05] <mervaka> google are about to take a massive shit on the auto industry
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[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know the only way to increase your Google Drive account atm is to pay.
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> Where as with dropbox you just have to get people to join up.
[3:06] <trevorman> google drive already has a published API
[3:06] <RBlunderbuss> you get 5 gb for free though
[3:06] <trevorman> dropbox has a limited to referrals
[3:06] <shirro> bah, whatever Google do gets lots of hype. People build products around it. Then a year later it gets cancelled. They are a waste of time
[3:06] <RBlunderbuss> dropbox you can get up to...8? with friends?
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> 16
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> they changed it.
[3:06] <trevorman> its 500MB per referral but its capped
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> AT 16
[3:06] <RBlunderbuss> ah ok
[3:06] <trevorman> who you going to sign up? :P
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> You can get up to 16GBs via referrals.
[3:07] <trevorman> all your friends at school are going to have one already
[3:07] <RBlunderbuss> I purchased google space before drive launched, so I get 80 gb for $20 a year
[3:07] <Syliss> Nice
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[3:07] <trevorman> new prices are significantly higher. still better than dropbox though I think despite the low starting freebie amount
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> Plus there's things like dropquests where you get an extra GB just by completing.
[3:07] <shirro> Dropbox is not available to under 13
[3:08] <shirro> COPA - makes just about all US hosting out of the question for schools
[3:08] <des2> 4 gb USB drive is $5.
[3:08] <trevorman> you can't rely on these other avenues for getting more storage anyway
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> True, but when I'm thinking kids with Pi, I'm thinking more 14-18
[3:08] <des2> Why do you need dropbox.
[3:08] <shirro> des2: you don't
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> That's 6th - 12th grade in the US
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> We were talking as a data backup solution for Pi's in school.
[3:09] <RBlunderbuss> I agree, the 9-13 user base is probably smallish
[3:09] <shirro> I wouldn't want kids to put their data in the US anyway. Their parents will get a $1.9million bill for a cd download.
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[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> Hell at 9-13, I wouldn't even let them carry around the SDCard, just let them use whatever locked down system the schools have.
[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> Get them use to the whole computer bit.
[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> well
[3:10] <shirro> My 4yo is using an ipad at the memoent. He has handled the Pi
[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> 9-12
[3:10] <trevorman> other storage companies would flip out if you're bundling the service for kids
[3:10] <des2> If only the PIs could boot without an SD card off the network.
[3:10] <RBlunderbuss> agreed
[3:11] <SStrife> think there'd be room in pi's firmware for some PXE code?
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[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/358/linux-arm-support
[3:11] <trevorman> could be interesting to see what the minimum would be to implement something like TFTP download of a kernel + initramfs and then kexec it
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> if you haven't voted already
[3:11] <trevorman> SStrife: not inside the SoC
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[3:11] <SStrife> righto.
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably boot a super minimalistic OS that grabs the real OS from the network.
[3:12] <RBlunderbuss> I'm excited to screw around with my SDR that arrived today
[3:12] <shirro> The whole point of the Pi is to get around the consertvative policies that stop kids learning in todays schools. You add PXE boot and the dropout who runs the schools windows network will be a bottleneck and nothing will get done.
[3:12] <trevorman> not much point though if you need a SD card in there anyway
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[3:13] <RBlunderbuss> is it conservative policies or just budgets?
[3:13] <trevorman> buying super tiny SD cards generally turns out to be more expensive also
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> I got 5, with Iron Man promos on cheap
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> I think at the 9-12 age you should use something like PXE
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> at 13+ just let them carry their on SDCards
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[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> Teach them responsibility, put them in charge of making their own backups and such.
[3:14] <trevorman> there is also the argument to be made that you should be giving them more valuable computer skills with OSX and/or Windows
[3:14] <RBlunderbuss> ehhh
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> If they screw up and trash their disk it gets wiped with a generic OS
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> they start over
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.
[3:14] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: disagree. kids don't get enough experience with responsibility. more of it younger and we will have a lot better society
[3:14] <RBlunderbuss> trevorman linux is powerful and useful - OSX and windows are just easy to use, but I think it's probably hard to get back to linux if you know the others
[3:14] <des2> s/Windows/Android/
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Once you learn Linux switching to Windows or OSX is going to be a lot easier.
[3:15] <des2> s/OSX/iOS/
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> No, but the idea is to teach them responsibility.
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> If they aren't responsible and back up their system, then when they trash that system they start over.
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Just like the real world.
[3:15] <mabrowning> Was there every any progress on the I2C driver?
[3:15] <shirro> The Pi shouldn't be replacing other things like tablets, desktops, laptops. It is something extra schools don't currently have. Hackable hardware.
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[3:16] <trevorman> I agree with shirro
[3:16] <RBlunderbuss> my brother and I learned on an old TI computer
[3:17] <shirro> If you go and lock it down and treat it like the school desktops you lose a lot of the potential, and as far as some kids will be conserned some of the magic
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> Idk, from a school perspective, at least when I went to school, we had pretty old computers. Not all schools had the funding to give every good a new laptop or tablet or something they could carry around.
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> every kid
[3:18] <trevorman> the RPi is going to give you the same computing power as a pretty old PC
[3:18] <des2> heh
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> True. But being less expensive, it's going to become more widespread than a pretty old computer.
[3:19] <shirro> I worry about the penny pinching school admins who will want to get the Pi in as a thin pc desktop replacement for which it will suck
[3:19] <Syliss> Yes but it can do things old pc's cant. Like mpeg4 and what not.
[3:19] <des2> Actually and old computer with the same computing power is basically free.
[3:19] <des2> I have a couple you can have.
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[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> You're not gonna have one school rocking something that still runs Windows 3.1 while another school is rocking brand new just off the shelf MacBooks
[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> or w/e
[3:19] <shirro> Been there done that with ltsp and old pcs (more powerful than the Pi)
[3:20] <trevorman> I hope nobody out there still uses Windows 3.1 :P
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> Well I imagine that'll still exist.... but at least there'd be some sort of "generic" solution all schools could resort to, ya know?
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[3:20] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: where do you live? No school would have windows 3.1 anywhere I can imagine
[3:21] <des2> Could be worse they could have upgraded to ME
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> In Elementary school we were rocking 64s... and that was like...
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> 95?
[3:21] <crenn> shirro: Got yours yet?
[3:21] <shirro> yes, had it for weeks
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> The only classroom that had updated computers was the computer lab which we got to go to maybe once a week?
[3:22] <crenn> I could have sworn you were still waiting
[3:22] <crenn> I'm due to get mine next week
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> Me? I live in the middle of nowhere, our school district was pretty much crap.
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> We had computer teachers that didn't know crap about computers beyond how word processing worked and saving files.
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> and if you were caught doing anything in command prompt? You were banned from touching school computers regardless of what it was.
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[3:30] <mabrowning> To answer my own question, it looks like there is an implementation of the I2C bus using gpio that seems to work.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it's probably one of the few school districts where two completely different computers could crash and the same person would get blamed for it despite it not being their fault. lol
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[3:30] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: still the same most everywhere with the command prompt I think. I know some enlightened schools that take the kids who show some curiosity and might be a problem and rope them into helping maintain the school network. many more schools are ignorant.
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> One day I'm in the Into to Computers course (my second time through because they had no where else to put me)
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> Disabled the admin account, turns out, it was the only account on the computer.
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> So they completely replace the computer with a new one, but because the old one had crashed I was on a new computer, the next day I get called into the principles office because the same computer had crashed (the one they replaced) and they had "cameras" that could prove I did something. etc etc.
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> That the teacher for the class had refused to let me near his classroom again and from that day on I was to spend that class period in ISS
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[3:35] <kallisti5> Simon-: I thought it didn't apply to register definitions?
[3:35] <kallisti5> Simon-: that also is not a copy + paste. Retyped by hand.
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[4:00] <oneadvent> what would a better classed card do for my raspberry pi? Would it make it faster or would there be no difference?
[4:00] <mabrowning> oneadvent: Higher class is faster, yes.
[4:00] <mabrowning> What is your current SD card class?
[4:01] <oneadvent> I am currently using a Class 4
[4:01] <mabrowning> Thats moderately ok.
[4:01] <mabrowning> I'm using a class 2; its quite slow.
[4:01] <oneadvent> and noticed some delays in my openelec install
[4:01] <oneadvent> i see
[4:01] <oneadvent> i was thinking about seeing what else walmart has to offer
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using a class 10...
[4:01] <mabrowning> Yeah, that would be ideal.
[4:01] <oneadvent> how is it GabrialDestruir
[4:01] <oneadvent> is it amazing?
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> It seems fine?
[4:01] <mabrowning> Well, the RPi is only 700MHz...
[4:02] <mabrowning> So, amazing might not be the word ;)
[4:02] <oneadvent> lol
[4:02] <mabrowning> And it tends to matter more for writes.
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if the slowness I'm feeling is the pi itself or the card
[4:02] <trevorman> you can try overclocking it slightly to 800. don't overvolt :P
[4:02] <mabrowning> Well, don't overvolt without understanding what it entails and the risk.s
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone get it to Ghz yet?
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[4:02] <mabrowning> I wouldn't say "don't do it"
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> 1Ghz such?
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[4:03] <trevorman> mabrowning: its easier to just say don't but yeah what you said :)
[4:03] <Syliss> I wonder when my pi will ship.
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> Don't do it unless you want to void your your Pi warranties.
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> Yo
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[4:04] <mabrowning> What kind of warranty is there, even?
[4:04] <oneadvent> I have a warranty on my pi GabrialDestruir
[4:04] <oneadvent> I figured if it wasn't possible to open it up there wasn't a warranty to break lol
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> You don't if you overvolted
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[4:05] <mabrowning> On something where the shipping back and forth is greater than the cost of the board itself... I'm not much concerned with warranty.
[4:05] <oneadvent> yea the cost makes it easy to take liberties.
[4:05] <mabrowning> I'm about to do something very stupid.
[4:05] <oneadvent> hope they get a USA distributor
[4:05] <oneadvent> then shipping would be cheap for me
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> newark
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> newark is a US distributor
[4:05] <oneadvent> can you order yet?
[4:05] <mabrowning> RS online shipped to me for $5 or wahtever.
[4:06] <oneadvent> i thought that was delayed
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> who knows..
[4:06] <trevorman> didn't cost me anything for shipping
[4:06] * mabrowning is in USA
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> I ordered mine from export
[4:06] <oneadvent> cost me a ton from export
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> cost me 22 bucks for shipping.
[4:06] <oneadvent> like 20 bucks
[4:06] <oneadvent> yea same boat GabrialDestruir
[4:06] <oneadvent> my wife was pissed lol
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[4:06] <mabrowning> What is this "export"?
[4:06] <trevorman> farnell export
[4:06] <mabrowning> I see.
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[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> I sent them an email detailing the whole element 14 claim that all farnell and other such subsidaries would be using this pricing matrix
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> they haven't gotten back to me yet
[4:07] <oneadvent> yea i think that is the only place sending them right now from farnell
[4:07] <mabrowning> I ordered through both RS and Element14.
[4:07] <mabrowning> I canceled the order which didn't win the ship date lotto ;)
[4:07] <oneadvent> i have emailed them a bunch of times GabrialDestruir, they wont respond. I asked them where i agreed to 20 dollar shipping
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[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> You agreed with the "TBA" shipping price -.-
[4:08] <trevorman> wasn't that 20 dollar shipping a mistake or something?
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> You also agreed to get charged 39 dollars for your Pi
[4:08] <oneadvent> idk i got charged it trevorman
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> instead of 35
[4:08] <trevorman> I vaguely remember reading something about that
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> Oh they claimed that.
[4:08] <trevorman> didn't really pay too much attention as it didn't apply to me
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> But when they took my money it was 22 dollars shipping.
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> The unit price of a Raspberry PI is ??24.55, this price is excluding any shipping costs. The cost of shipping to the US has been charged at ??14.00 & the service used is Royal Mail International. I hope this goes someway to understand how the cost to your card has been made.
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> Run a quick conversion and you learn that's about 39 dollars and 22 dollars
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[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> 39.53 and $22.54
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> $*
[4:10] <oneadvent> idk...i mean it must be because it isn't the usa but when i have ever ordered something before i was told what i had to pay before i agreed to it
[4:11] <oneadvent> not just a random amount of money, whatever they want
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[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> Even in the US they can claim legally they had a right to charge whatever they wanted because it was "TBA"
[4:11] <oneadvent> idk i just wont be buying from farnell again, glad they got it to me but they werne't very transparent. i mean shipping almost doubled my cost
[4:11] <trevorman> ah. if you ordered it from export then yeah you'll get charged
[4:11] <oneadvent> see that isn't right. what if they said shipping was 100 dollars or something??
[4:11] <trevorman> if you got it from newark/element14 then there shouldn't be an extra $20 charge. http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43273
[4:12] <oneadvent> idk i thought it was all the same company
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for the email from them that says Farnell Premier Group isn't affected by the pricing matrix of element 14
[4:12] <oneadvent> that was the point "we will use them because they are global distributors"
[4:12] <trevorman> same group. different countries.
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> I don't know what I'll do with that information....
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> but maybe I can sue them or something
[4:12] <oneadvent> who knows. just disorganized
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/871
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> wrong one... hold on
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/826
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> there we go
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> This simplified pricing structure will apply to all credit/debit card orders placed with us and includes those from customers who have already registered their interest or intent to buy from any of the element14/Premier Farnell Group of companies, unless they were previously quoted a LOWER price, in which case we will honour the lower price.
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[4:16] <oneadvent> Total inc VAT and shipping = ??31.86
[4:16] <oneadvent> hmmmm
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> US doesn't get charged VAT
[4:16] <oneadvent> 51.3042 US dollars
[4:16] <oneadvent> oh
[4:17] <oneadvent> Outside the EU you will not pay VAT,
[4:17] <oneadvent> see that now :)
[4:17] <oneadvent> Raspberry Pi Model B = ??21.60
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> USA $40.00 + Local Taxes
[4:17] <oneadvent> + Shipping Charge = ??4.95
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly
[4:17] <oneadvent> gonna check the acct again
[4:18] <oneadvent> seems i was over charged, and ofc i emailed them but they do not reply to those
[4:19] <Syliss> Yey I'm buzzin
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir> Do what I did, start emailing all their export emails
[4:19] <oneadvent> yea i have
[4:19] <oneadvent> buzzing on hdmi?
[4:19] <Syliss> Lol no. Blue moon beer
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir> I emailed tech support sent two or three to export@farnell and they finally got a "Hey this is why it is, farewell"
[4:19] <Syliss> Rs sold me the pi for $43 shipped
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[4:21] <jamesglanville> does anyone have any real world feelings on how beneficial overclocking is?
[4:21] <jamesglanville> and i know it voids the warranty, but is it actually likely to break it?
[4:22] <oneadvent> overclocking can always break things
[4:22] <shirro> I believe only overvolting voids warranty
[4:22] <trevorman> ^
[4:23] <oneadvent> stupid site still says TBA
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[4:23] <jamesglanville> it's only the lack of available replacements that might delay me, i don't care about a small chance of wasting some money compared to no pi for a while
[4:24] <shirro> it seems to overclock to 800Mhz very reliably. I can't see why anyone wouldn't do that. I expect 900Mhz might be a bit crashier. I wouldn't push it further until there are spare Pi available since you would need to overvolt. I really should up my memory speed. Has anyone oveclocked gpu?
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> WHAZAT 1Ghz processing?
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> -still waiting for it-
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[4:34] <shirro> There is something crazy wrong with the speed of the Pi
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[4:34] <GabrialDestruir> How so?
[4:35] <shirro> I really think lack of X acceleration is only half the story to why X sucks so much
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[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> I want to know why I can't overclock to 5Ghz.... ya know? xD
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, we need to fix x acceleration first.
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> Then we can figure out if there's other issues.
[4:36] <shirro> running xvfb-run gtkperf -a on a 1Ghz armv7 vs a 800Mhz armv6 shouldn't be this much
[4:36] <GabrialDestruir> I thought Pi was Arm 11 or something
[4:36] <shirro> arm11 is armv6
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[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> okay
[4:38] <shirro> arm11 is like an intel model number. armv6 is more like 386/486 etc. Different architecture and instruction set support
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[4:40] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, right then.
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[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> All Pi experiments will be put off for a month
[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> D3 is here soon
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[4:43] <shirro> xvfb basically renders X into memory so graphics hardware doesn't become an issue. Running it on Debian armhf on A8 vs Pi. A8 does it in 61s, Pi takes 240s. CAn this be cpu difference? Or is this cache or memory bandwidth? Or some nasty interrupt thing in the kernel?
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[4:48] <trevorman> A Cortex A8 is generally 2x as fast as an old ARMv6 assuming same clock speed
[4:48] <shirro> But 4x?
[4:48] <shirro> I guess rendering to a rect squares things
[4:49] <trevorman> you do have a 200mhz diff but that shouldn't give you another doubling in performance
[4:50] <shirro> I might add 100Mhz to memory and reboot
[4:51] <trevorman> got any L2 on that A8?
[4:52] <shirro> trevorman: how do I tell? I expect it has more than the Pi and doesn't have to fight the gpu for it
[4:52] <eXpl01t> ! $1 \geq 1$
[4:52] <trevorman> the rpi doesn't have any L2 by default
[4:52] <shirro> trevorman: I thought it was on in the latest kernels
[4:52] <shirro> is it a cmdline option?
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[4:53] <trevorman> its all assigned to the GPU by the bootloader normally
[4:53] <trevorman> you need to set a flag in config.txt
[4:54] <trevorman> elinux wiki says enable_l2cache
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[4:57] <shirro> In forum Dom says L2 is enabled by default in latest firmware and that was in early april
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[4:57] <trevorman> shirro: hmm
[4:57] <trevorman> possibly
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[4:59] <shirro> wish it gave cache size in cpuinfo
[4:59] <shirro> and enabled/disabled
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[5:01] <trevorman> you got your rpi handy? try setting the l2cache option I guess
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[5:02] <shirro> Just going to see what overclocking sdram does first
[5:03] <trevorman> it might just be that kernel has support for L2 but its not enabled in the bootloader as it adversely affects the GPU performance
[5:03] <mkopack> Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the only thing you had to do to switch between the different memory splits was to copy over the start.elf with either the arm128_start.elf (or one of the other 2) and then reboot?
[5:03] <trevorman> yes
[5:04] <mkopack> Hmm...
[5:04] <mkopack> ok, cool, now it's working
[5:05] <mkopack> When I first tried the damn thing refused to boot back up
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[5:09] <crenn> GabrialDestruir: Spending your class period in ISS sounds exensive for the school
[5:10] <shirro> increasing memory speed brings a slight improvement overall. nothing amazing. still think people hanging out for the magic X acceleration are in for a disappointment.
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[5:11] <trevorman> I don't expect there to be any massive gains either.
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[5:17] <astom> I haven't used X and I still love my Pi
[5:19] <shirro> astom: X doesn't interest me much either but other people will judge the Pi by it
[5:20] <astom> shirro: I know. It is a great piece to do a lot more things, but some just can't see that
[5:21] <astom> the fact of running my favorite distro (arch) in it is just awesome
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[5:22] <shirro> I am mainly interested in the gpu for now then hardware, then educational use. I don't have any need for more headless servers at the moment but that might come later. Running a web browser doesn't come in to it at all.
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[5:25] <shirro> l2 is definately enabled.i set it to 0 in config.txt and it has killed performance
[5:26] <trevorman> ah. good to know.
[5:26] <shirro> benchmarking app ofcourse so unrealistic tight loops
[5:28] <shirro> very unscientific but 800Mhz Pi was 4x slower than the 1Ghz A8. Boosted sdram by 100Mhz and saved 10s. Turned of l2 and lost about 75s
[5:28] <shirro> still bloody slow
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[5:29] <shirro> not that I am complaining - really fun toy
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[5:34] <shirro> Interesting that difference was almost entirely down to line drawing test in gtkperf. bresenham must love l2 cache. most everything esle was exactly the same
[5:35] <shirro> My guess is L2 brings practically no benefit for typical usage
[5:36] <shirro> still going to turn it back on though :-)
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[5:43] <shirro> wait a minute. ran it again and perf back to same as l2 on. wtf is going on
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[5:45] <shirro> ok, I don't trust that enable_l2cache thing at all. Perhaps it is off and something just screwed up one run
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[5:54] <eXpl01t> !w Aracaju
[5:54] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Aracaju, Sergipe. Temp 81??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 70%, Later 88??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[5:54] <eXpl01t> PiBot: the rain arrived! Thank you for forecasting what the better forecasters of my country couldn't forecast!!
[6:02] <astom> eXpl01t: could you ssh in someone elses pi?
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[6:06] <eXpl01t> astom: no
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[6:42] <Wolfram74> i want to start doing some web page stuff, to share projects/programs on a web page, so i'm reading up on django, but there's a lot of language in the overview that i'm not familiar with
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[6:45] <Wolfram74> so what's happening with raspberry pi these days?
[6:45] <Wolfram74> any neat projects?
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[6:46] <DaQatz> Very few people have them so far
[6:46] <DaQatz> So mostly just testing and porting atm.
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[6:50] <RBlunderbuss> a_c_r you around?
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[7:19] <bbeattie> First boot of my pi, tried to login as pi. I get a successful pam authentication, get the standard debian pre-shell dump about free software, then it dumps me back out to login. corrupt image?
[7:20] <shirro> Turns out my Pi might not be stable at 800Mhz after all. Certainly not with sdram overclocked.
[7:21] <shirro> bbeattie: it isn't usual behaviour. if in doubt reimage seems to be the thing
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[7:34] <mabrowning> hahaha!
[7:34] <mabrowning> Amazing.
[7:34] <mabrowning> I just used the Raspberry Pi's I2C port to rewrite the EDID EEPROM on my projector.
[7:34] <mabrowning> The 720p timing mode was incorrect and Broadcom was being overly pedantic about which modes they supported; they refused to display 720p on it.
[7:35] <mabrowning> But, fixed.
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[8:00] <Xark> mabrowning: That does sound pretty amazing (and cool). :)
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[8:04] <chnopsx> mabrowning, cool, I really want to learn to do stuff like that :D
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[10:09] <Mowee> morning
[10:09] <nickooooooe> morning
[10:09] <GabrialDestruir> Diablo 3 what?
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> -stuck installing-
[10:10] <tzarc> mine's installed, servers are too busy
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[10:11] * RaYmAn is suddenly happy he didn't take the day off work for D3 ;)
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[10:11] <tzarc> lol, *nod*
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> Crashtastic servers?
[10:11] <egilhh> I got to lvl 9 before I had to go to bed... and then get up for work at 7 AM today... (EU, though)
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Called it.
[10:12] <tzarc> was always going to happen
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Gah install taking sooo long
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[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> AT least I don't have to download it first.
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[10:16] <BenO> The D3 drinking game is to take a drink for an #Error37 and a shot for a #300008 fail.
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> Okey dookey then.
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> I hate that the Battlenet Names have to be so short
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[10:21] <xranby> (07:34:25) mabrowning: I just used the Raspberry Pi's I2C port to rewrite the EDID EEPROM on my projector. <--- cool!
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[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> Half way installed .-.
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> xranby, neat. did you remove the device?
[10:23] * gordonDrogon just realises you were re-saying from mabrowning
[10:23] <fALSO> bom dia
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone want to sell their soul for a D3 guestpass? xD
[10:24] <drazyl> morning
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> D3? That's a little game of something?
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> Diablo 3
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[10:26] <RaYmAn> I don't think it'll run very well on Pi though
[10:26] <xranby> gordonDrogon: yes.. apparently a lot of folks working have called in sick ... most likely the #D3 effect
[10:26] <GabrialDestruir> No. I don't think it will.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> heh I work from home, but don't play games.... (much - well not like D3)
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Doom was where it ended for me...
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Hm. speaking of Doom - I've not yet tried it on the Pi.
[10:28] * gordonDrogon installs prboom ...
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir> Oh that's uncool xD
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir> The entire game isn't on the disk.
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> D3? It's more than a Cd/DVD's worth of data?
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently, it's downloading stuff from the net now
[10:31] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: I started the install before I left for work - it said it needed to install 16gb data
[10:32] <xranby> RaYmAn: hoho,, and they claim you only need 12 GB available HD space
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[10:34] * RaTTuS|BIG is waiting for my D3 to be delivered .
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> wow. that's pretty big, but I've no idea what moderns games are like these days.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> I stopped at Doom II ...
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Hm. How do I get Doom II wad onto the Pi. My current desktop doesn't have a CD drive.
[10:35] <tzarc> mmm, my WoW folder is 24.8GB
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Only 12? Mine told me that D3 need 15 and some change.
[10:35] <tzarc> I guess I could probably delete some of it though
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Wish I could play dungeon keeper under Linux - I liked that.
[10:36] <BenO> gordonDrogon, dungeon keeper I works fine and dandy in dosbox
[10:36] <BenO> DKII I think works in wine, but haven't tried recently
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Oh? Interesting...
[10:36] <BenO> gordonDrogon, GOG.com use it for their older games
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> ok will look at that later - thanks.
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> Having to restricted my username to GabrialD is stupid .-.
[10:37] <tzarc> blah, thinking I should go make my bnet password shorter, lol
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Had the game playable for 10 minutes
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Already crashed.
[10:39] <xranby> GabrialDestruir: (10:16:11) BenO: The D3 drinking game is to take a drink for an #Error37 and a shot for a #300008 fail.
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> I got neither
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[10:39] <tzarc> seen more 3006's
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> I got "Unable to create character due to party state"
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> well, prboom on raspbian with the doom2 wad "just worked" ...
[10:40] <tzarc> maybe I should go back to designing code :P
[10:40] <xranby> gordonDrogon: how nice!
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[10:53] <egilhh> The minimum requirement is 12 GB, but that's with the DVD-version where videos etc are not installed.
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[10:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: do you think this is worthy of inclusion into wiringPi, for programming shift registers? http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ShftOut21
[10:56] <SStrife> good evening
[10:57] <SStrife> i'm surprised at how far along raspbian is at the moment
[10:57] <SStrife> so many useful packages already available
[10:57] <SStrife> libsdl!
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, hi. That's just a bit of "userland" code using the libraries...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, easy to use with wiringPi though.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, in-fact that code will run almost un-changed under wiringPi :)
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> just set the pins :)
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I wish I had an idea of what people might use the GPIO port for...
[11:02] <SStrife> when i can get my hands on a few more pis
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> more?
[11:02] <SStrife> i'm going to set up one as an out-of-band management system for my home network
[11:03] <SStrife> well, like most of us, i only have one at the moment, I don't want to commit it to some task and not be able to play with it! ;)
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> that's an intersting idea. cheaper than an x86 box, but not by much.
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> I use little ALIX boards and some cheap Atom boards for stuff like PBXs, firewalls and monitoring.
[11:04] <SStrife> my first idea was to use the UART pins thru an RS232 driver with a dialup modem
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Why not USB to 3G ?
[11:04] <SStrife> then, yeah, that was the next logical step
[11:04] <SStrife> with the downside of needing an extra device, with an extra data plan to maintain
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I know I have an old USR modem, but I don't know if I could find an ISP to use it with :)
[11:04] <SStrife> the dialup modem would connect to my existing, and currently unused phone line
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> I've had a GSM modem + PAYG SIM card for some years now
[11:05] <SStrife> when i had dialup in mind, i'd probably just dial directly to it
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> as long as I send at least one TXT a month it's fine.
[11:05] <SStrife> but then I realised "With what, silly?"
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> My monitoring sends me TXTs when something goes wrong.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> I monitor my own servers and some customers ADSL lines & servers.
[11:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Couldn't hurt to build handy things like that into the library, as long as they're???er??? general purpose??? enough!
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Sure...
[11:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But yeah, I understand it's userland??? I'm not sure it's sufficiently general purpose though
[11:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'll probably pack it into the C-library for my own benefit, as it'll suck less than a Ruby implementation
[11:08] <SStrife> but yea, the USB 3G dongle idea seems like the ticket
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on your location for the data plan, PAYG, etc.
[11:09] <SStrife> yup
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> I stick a tenner onto my monitoring SIM about twice year
[11:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> installing d3 - I wont be doing much on my Rpi today
[11:10] <haltdef> what's all the fuss about
[11:10] <haltdef> looks kinda yawn
[11:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm trying to work out if I can use the serial terminal on my Sharp ZQ770 with the Pi, just for giggles??? getting info on a >10 year old pocket organiser isn't trivial though
[11:10] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Which kernel does your wiringPi lib need?
[11:11] <SStrife> raspbian-r3.img doesn't want to boot!! :(
[11:11] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Any?
[11:11] <SStrife> oh wait there was an error when i ran dd
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> brb phone
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> BenO, any kernel - the downside right now is that it's mmap'ing /dev/mem so needs to be run as root.
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to make a proper device driver that's mmappable from userland, but time is not with me right now.
[11:20] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Thanks. I guess the way to avoid that would be to enter the murky world of kernel drivers :s?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[11:20] <BenO> (Well, avoid su permissions anyhow)
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> there is still the /sys/gpio interface though.
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> I could use that, but it's slightly innefficient
[11:22] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Yeah, that is irritating.
[11:22] <SStrife> i just found an SD card that doesn't work :-/
[11:22] <SStrife> (in pi)
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> I've been whinged at over my approach though - the /sys/gpio is _the_ way to do it, I'm told...
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> however what do I know!
[11:23] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Do any of the pins support PWM anymore? I remember something about the pwm being lost in the alpha -> beta board design
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I have an SD card that's tempramental )-:
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> One pin supports PWM.
[11:23] <SStrife> this isn't even anything fancy
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> It's pin1 in wiringPi land...
[11:23] <BenO> gordonDrogon, That's something at least!
[11:23] <SStrife> it's an old class 4 4GB Sandisk card
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. mines a class 6 transcend card.
[11:23] <SStrife> I have a Class 4 8GB Lexar card
[11:24] <SStrife> works perfectly every time
[11:24] <SStrife> *shrugs*
[11:24] <fALSO> "YOUR SOUNDCARD WORKS PRERFECTLY"
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> the chip only has 2 PWM outputs though, and if your using the 3.5mm audio jack, it's using both of them for that.
[11:24] <fALSO> "IT DOESNT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS"
[11:24] <BenO> SStrife, gordonDrogon, I have a number of temperamental cards - my sandisk 4Gb class 4 are quite bad, rarely boot the pi with
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> To hell with the whingers, gordonDrogon, your approach is nice and fast, and running as root on the Pi is hardly an issue unless you plan on using it as a desktop computer??? in which case: WHY!?
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> my 2 Kingston class 4's have been OK so-far - just a bit clunky & slow.
[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> Haha
[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> already like lvl 4 or 5 .-.
[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> Whee!
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[11:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I know - My view is that I'm doing this for myself and sharing with others, so if they find it useful, then thats great!
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> I initially did it to support my BASIC :)
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: That's always the best approach, if you try to do things for others you'll just get run down; you can please some of the people all of the time, and so on
[11:26] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Heh :)
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> So in Basic I can digitalWrite to a local GPIO pin, or to a remote Arduino...
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: works like a charm in Ruby, makes me a happy bunny!
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Do you have your Arduino hooked up via the GPIO pins then?
[11:26] <BenO> gordonDrogon, I'm glad you put the lib out there :) the /sys/gpio route looked clunky as hell
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> no - I connect it via USB serial.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> I have a little program in it that takes very simple commands via the serial port to do the read/write/set stuff.
[11:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Shinies??? I keep looking into buying an arduino to do just that- as a safety buffer between my Pi and the hackery I'm performing
[11:28] <Kripton> fALSO, warcraft2?
[11:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Sparkfun Inventor's kit has caught my eye several times
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, that's a good idea.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[11:29] <drazyl> frankenpi I think you mean
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> FrankenPi! Love it!
[11:30] <fALSO> yap kripton :-D
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> Although I think I prefer IgorPi :)
[11:30] <SStrife> thats brilliant
[11:30] <fALSO> i knew that someone would know that :-D
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[11:30] <fALSO> nice one :)
[11:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I bought that red Pi case from skpang, love it :D
[11:30] <Kripton> fALSO, I loved klicking that "test soundcard" button as a child :)
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> It's nice - good for small experiments.
[11:30] <fALSO> me too
[11:30] <SStrife> falso, you running dosbox on your pi?
[11:31] <drazyl> shouldn't that be PiGor
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I found it a pain last week though as I had to use the compost video output, so I had to take it out.
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> drazyl: I see what you did there...
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I might see if I can get an L connector...
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I haven't stuck my breadboard down, just in case
[11:31] <SStrife> or just firing up War2 for shits and gigs :)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> PiGor.... Yeth Mathtur?
[11:32] <Kripton> damn, my uUSB-cable is connected to my Pi and now my phone is empty and I can't charge it ....
[11:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Someone reads discworld?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, that's what blu tak is for :)
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> 'fraid so...
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[11:32] <SStrife> gordonDrogon, is that a green-phosphor monochrome monitor?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, Yup!
[11:32] <SStrife> niiiice
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Old .....
[11:33] <SStrife> i always wanted an IBM 5151
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> It's normally connected to my BBC Micro...
[11:33] <SStrife> with that nice long-glow phosphor
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I have an orange one connected to my Apple II...
[11:33] * gordonDrogon grins.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[11:33] <SStrife> sexy
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> although I can't get the Pi to display on that.
[11:33] <SStrife> retro hardware gives me wood
[11:34] <SStrife> i'm restoring a Sinclair ZX Spectrum at the moment
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> Oh excellent!
[11:34] <SStrife> I think the Z80 is dead.
[11:34] <fALSO> i have a few
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> I've a friend who does that for beer tokens...
[11:34] <SStrife> it's either the Z80 or the ULA.
[11:34] <fALSO> only the keyboard dont work
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[11:34] <techman2> evening all
[11:34] <fALSO> they power on
[11:34] <fALSO> i have a 48k , a 128k +2 and a 128 +3
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> he buys them on ebay, refirbishes them then sells them on...
[11:34] <fALSO> with DISKETTES
[11:34] <SStrife> nice
[11:34] <fALSO> and a microdrive for the 48k
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> microdrive... ewww...
[11:35] <fALSO> i should try to seel this on ebay
[11:35] <fALSO> sell
[11:35] <fALSO> the problem with all them are the keyboards
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> you might get 100 quid for a working spectrum with microdrive...
[11:35] <SStrife> i'm going to get a DivIDE for this 48k when it's up and running
[11:35] <fALSO> most of the keys dont work
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> you can buy new membranes for the keyboard.
[11:35] <fALSO> and I also have a RELIC from the UK
[11:35] <fALSO> dont know if anyone remembers
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> RELIC?
[11:35] <fALSO> a SAM COUPE
[11:35] <fALSO> only a few were made
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> this is a computeR?
[11:36] <fALSO> its like a BETTER spectrum, with real floppy drive
[11:36] <fALSO> and 256k expandable to 512k
[11:36] <fALSO> yap gordondrogon
[11:36] <fALSO> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM_Coup%C3%A9
[11:36] <fALSO> the keyboard for this one also doesnt work
[11:36] <fALSO> a few months ago I tried them all
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> intersting. not heard of those.
[11:37] <fALSO> well im going to take a look on 128k prices on ebay
[11:37] <fALSO> :)
[11:37] <fALSO> thanks for the idea
[11:37] <fALSO> hehe
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> however 1989 - I'd just moved from Scotland to england and had other things on my mind..
[11:37] <SStrife> soccer and wenches?
[11:37] <SStrife> sorry
[11:37] <SStrife> football
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> er, wenches yes, footy, no...
[11:38] <Iota> Anyone playing Diablo the Third?
[11:38] <SStrife> hehe
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> but also jobs, changing times etc.
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> I'd moved for a job that went pear-shaped 6 months in...
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> fortunately there was a lot going on in Bristol at the time - transputers, supercomputers, etc.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> hm. think it was 87/88 when I moved, thinking about it now...
[11:39] <fALSO> hehe
[11:40] <SStrife> i was probably the world's biggest Thomas the Tank fan in 87/88
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> oh hang on ...
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> I saw him the other day. let me get the photo
[11:41] <Hourd> i wasn't even alive in 87/88
[11:41] <Hourd> \o/
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/thomas.jpg
[11:44] <SStrife> niiiiiiice
[11:44] <fALSO> ol
[11:44] <fALSO> im from 82
[11:44] <SStrife> 3-year-old me would be shitting bricks if he saw that.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> I live near Buckfastleigh railway station and he was there for the May bank holiday...
[11:44] <fALSO> my time as a kid was passwed with a zx spectrum :)
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> I was 16 when I touched my first computer - all those years ago :)
[11:45] <SStrife> at the ripe old age of 27, however, i'm happy to just save that pic to my hard disk
[11:45] <SStrife> good show!
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> heh
[11:45] <rm> fALSO, about the same here, I first programmed on a ZX Spectrum :)
[11:45] <fALSO> me too
[11:45] <fALSO> :)
[11:46] <rm> but for games it had to compete with NES
[11:46] <fALSO> uhuhuh
[11:46] <fALSO> i had a NES-clone a FEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW years later
[11:46] <fALSO> a "FAMILY GAME"
[11:46] <fALSO> loloolol
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> Apple II was my first "micro" computer..
[11:46] <SStrife> The first computer I ever touched was a Tandy trash-80 Color Computer
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I was invited to be part of the evaluation for computers in schools - Apple II, PET or TRS80. The Apple II won hands down...
[11:47] <SStrife> as it should,
[11:47] <fALSO> nice
[11:47] <SStrife> TRS80 had loads of issues didn't they?
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> until the BBC came along some 3-4 years later.
[11:47] <fALSO> there are a few apple 2 in a museum here at the university
[11:47] <fALSO> i need to get one working
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[11:47] <fALSO> and try some asm on it
[11:47] <fALSO> :-)
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> The beeb is easier to do 6502 asm on.
[11:48] <SStrife> my primary school has an Apple ][e
[11:48] <SStrife> had*
[11:48] <SStrife> heck, they probably still have it
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> although the Apple has a built-in one-pass assembler
[11:48] <fALSO> i think the nes cpu is somewhat like it
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> they pop up on ebay from time to time - that's how I got mine.
[11:49] <fALSO> 502
[11:49] <fALSO> 6502
[11:49] <fALSO> nice
[11:49] <fALSO> so i already programmed 6502 assembly
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I write lots and lots of 6502 code all those years ago...
[11:49] <fALSO> did a few demos for NES
[11:49] <fALSO> :)
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I was working/researching in a lab where we used out own designed 6502 boards to control factory automation.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> So the 6502 control board was then backed up by a BBC Micro providing the high-level control.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> and it sort of isolated the BBC from being blown-up by the high voltages we used to switch the pneumatics and conveyor, etc. (24V DC)
[11:50] <BenO> :) nice
[11:50] <SStrife> bit like now,
[11:50] <SStrife> with raspi
[11:51] <fALSO> nice
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, but people want to use the Pi for direct control.
[11:51] <SStrife> them GPIO pins are connected directly to the SoC
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> which is OK, but ...
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[11:51] <fALSO> i've been playing with a arduino
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> and even with the right buffers, etc. there's still the issues with Linux getting in the way.
[11:51] <SStrife> ...and if you break it, you'll be waiting till 2014 for a replacement ;P
[11:51] <fALSO> the only thing that i dont like is that i cant program with ASM
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, you want to program the Pi in ASM?
[11:51] <fALSO> to do that you need some sorte of jtag programmer
[11:52] <fALSO> nah... a arduino
[11:52] <fALSO> in the pi you can :)
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> oh, that's trivial.
[11:52] <BenO> Beeb was the machine on which I first learnt assembly - sprite routine was my first program :)
[11:52] <fALSO> i already programmed assembly on linux/arm
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> it's very easy to program the Arduino in Assembler too.
[11:52] <fALSO> a few years ago, i tried to do the same algorithm on the max number of arches assemblys
[11:52] <fALSO> :)
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I prefer C myself though - very few things I'd drop down into assembler for these days.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> The C compilers are pretty good now.
[11:53] <fALSO> http://blol.org/864-arvorezinha-arm-assembly
[11:53] <fALSO> the text is in portuguese, but the code is universal :)
[11:53] <fALSO> its just two cicles to draw: half a triangle
[11:54] <fALSO> hehehe
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I looked at ARM assember waaay back - when I got an Archimedes PC.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> however never really got into it.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I was writing in transputer, sparc and i860 assemblers at the time too.
[11:55] * gordonDrogon shivvers at the thought of the i860 again ..
[11:55] <fALSO> heheh
[11:55] <fALSO> nice to see fellow "LOVERS" :D
[11:55] <SStrife> don't most of Boeing's fighter jets still use i960's for avionics?
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[11:55] <SStrife> or something of that age
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> the i960 fixed most of the issues with the i860 - e.g. handling interrupts during floating point operations.
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[11:56] <SStrife> there we go
[11:56] <SStrife> the F-22 uses i960's
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> I recall they made good postscript engines for laserprinters...
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[11:57] <SStrife> but that's not boeing, that's lockheed
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[12:01] <SStrife> hah
[12:01] <SStrife> i just imagined gutting this ZX Spectrum, and replacing the innards with Pi running a Spectrum emulator
[12:02] <SStrife> which might actually be easier than trying to get parts for it
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, well - it's an idea, and wasn't someone demoing one of the Spectrum emulators recently?
[12:07] <SStrife> ah, maybe, not sure
[12:08] <des2> And why do you need to be running a ZX spectrum at all ?
[12:09] <SStrife> retro games is my hobby :)
[12:09] <SStrife> I've got a pretty well kitted-out retro gaming corner
[12:10] <SStrife> every Sega and Nintendo console, a C64, a 486 with an assortment of sound and MIDI devices
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> retro stuff and nostalgia.
[12:10] <SStrife> lots of goodies
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> it'll be the bane of my life - last year I dusted off some old programs I wrote on the Apple II - including a listing, so in a fit of nostalgia, I decided to see if I could make that program run again...
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> so in the following couple of months, I bought an Apple II, then write my own BASIC interpreter for Linux.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> and that was before I got interested in the Pi...
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> So now I've gotten into the Pi, bought one, made my BASIC work on it too. (which was easy, really)
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> now I'm thikning of trying to promote it as a teaching aid, but too many people just hate BASCI and the others just want to use Python on the Pi...
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> Ah well..
[12:12] <SStrife> you've clearly got the bug :)
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> yea...
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[12:14] <BenO> gordonDrogon, BASIC for teaching is fine :) http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/pages/12058/School-Visits/ (see "learn to program")
[12:14] <SStrife> BASIC is still relevant in the business work
[12:15] <SStrife> a lot of the RAD I do at work is in VB.net or C#
[12:15] <des2> Depends what type of basic
[12:15] <des2> Original or a modern one
[12:15] <SStrife> Obviously not Microsoft ROM BASIC 1.0
[12:15] <SStrife> :P
[12:15] <BenO> heh
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I think it's all about the "entry level".
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Python and others seem just a bit too complex for the complete beginner.
[12:16] <BenO> BBC Basic is quite nice to inflict on 'modern' programmers too - as a way to test their adaptability/reliance on IDEs/etc
[12:16] <des2> Python seems a reasonable learning choice.
[12:16] <SStrife> I admire python from a distance
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> So get someone in-front of a computer, and 3 lines later the screen ia filled with their name and you've got the "wow factor".
[12:16] <SStrife> i like things about it, but it just doesn't suit what I do
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I picked PHP for webby scripting - mostly becuase I've been writing C for 30 years. I treat it as sloppy interpreted C :)
[12:17] <BenO> gordonDrogon, I was doing that with the Pi at a expo recently - showing the kids the python 10 PRINT... equivalent and then doing it on a commodore PET
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> BenO, neat!
[12:17] <des2> I use C for web scripting....
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> I did put nice modern stuff into my BASIC - you can write programs without line numbers if you like...
[12:18] <des2> Every kid should have his own Commodore Pet.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> actually, I've had a lot of fun with it myself.
[12:18] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Just about every parent remembered the print-goto incantation :)
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> sadly that's now 3 lines in my basic! cycle // print "Hello, Gordon" // repeat
[12:19] <BenO> gordonDrogon, depressingly, very few (2 in four days) under 16s could do anything like that
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[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I went to the mantional museum of computing at Bletchly last year - seems to be doing the same stuff as the The Centre for Computing History
[12:22] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Are you going to implement REPEAT... WHILE loops as well?
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> BenO, they are implemented already.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> The "loop" is one construct: cycle ... repeat
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> you can prefix cycle with a while or until test
[12:23] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Oh... I see
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> and you can post-fix the repeat with the same while or until test.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> so cycle ... repeat until something
[12:24] <des2> Do you have computed GOTOs ?
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> or while something cycle .. repeat
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> des2, no, but I have a switch statement.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> For is implemented similarly: for a - 1 to 20 step 0.4 cycle ... repeat
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> see http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/spiral.rtb for an example
[12:25] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Okay - I just wondered if it would conflict with REPEAT .... UNTIL FALSE (which reads counter-intuitively, but works)
[12:26] <des2> Are blank lines legal ?
[12:26] <des2> Cause I see you have // on all empty lines.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> the interpreter throws away blank lines, but a single line with REM or // works.
[12:28] <des2> Kinda reminds me of FORTRAN
[12:28] <SStrife> Speaking of fortran...
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Yea, FORTRAN and BASIC are really not that different.
[12:29] <SStrife> In basic (and many other languages) you can increment a number with
[12:29] <SStrife> i++
[12:29] <SStrife> what's the syntax for that in fortran?
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> not all basics allow that - it's A = A + 1
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> I've not implemented that in my BASIC. you need to do it the long way - A = A + 1 ...
[12:29] <SStrife> ok
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[12:30] * BenO just dusted off brandy basic - yay for Basic!
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> I thought of implementing the +=, etc. constructs but haven't done so yet.
[12:30] <BenO> quit
[12:30] <BenO> wc
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> BenO, wc? This isn't VI you know :)
[12:31] <BenO> wc => apologies, last msg was put into the wrong channel/app/terminal
[12:31] <des2> We're trapped in an editor running IRC. Muse be emacs.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I looked at Brandy - but when I looked more, I realised I wasn't that keen on it/BBC Basic although it was a nice reference to have.
[12:31] <SStrife> multiplayer emacs
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> ew...
[12:31] <BenO> gordonDrogon, I was impressed it still compiled!
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> compiled? it's a standard package in Debian.
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> it runs on the Pi...
[12:32] <BenO> gordonDrogon, I meant about its age - last update to the project was in 2007
[12:33] <SStrife> I'm installing Ubuntu 12.04 on my MBP
[12:33] <SStrife> because the Debian disk wouldn't boot!
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> BenO, yes, indeed. the original author is still selling BBC Basic for Windows ...
[12:34] <Viperfang> erm, wc on irrsi is window close
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> MBP?
[12:34] <SStrife> MacBook Pro
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[12:35] <SStrife> i'm using it to power my Pi, because it's the only thing I have with high-power USB ports
[12:35] <SStrife> (well, the only thing that isn't a phone charger that's not charging a phone)
[12:36] <SStrife> did i get that right? double-negatives and all?
[12:36] <SStrife> you get the picture though.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> I got a cheap powered hub to power the Pi.
[12:37] <SStrife> the ubuntu installer is very flashy
[12:37] <SStrife> much nicer than when i last played with this distro
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[12:37] <SStrife> is starts copying files while you pick your timezone, pick a username, etc
[12:37] <SStrife> it*
[12:38] <SStrife> how thoughtful
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> its pretty big, so needs all the time it can get :)
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> today I put simple sprite handling into my basic I think.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> now I've cleared most of the stuff I need to do..
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> but fist tea & toast, I think.
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[12:59] * Hourd has the tea, needs the toast
[12:59] * Viperfang has coffee
[13:00] <Hourd> coffee--
[13:00] <Viperfang> coffee+= infinity
[13:01] <Hourd> unfortunaly your integer keep wrapping around
[13:02] <Viperfang> coffee = int64.max
[13:02] <Viperfang> coffee = uint64.max
[13:02] <Viperfang> hah!
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[13:03] <Hourd> damn
[13:03] <mervaka> i wish arm could do saturation arithmetic..
[13:04] <SStrife> coffee()
[13:04] <Hourd> tea = coffee
[13:04] <Hourd> draw!
[13:04] <SStrife> :O
[13:04] <SStrife> coffees within coffees
[13:04] <Hourd> coffee(*coffee())
[13:04] <Viperfang> coffeeception
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> already had 2 coffees today... So a mug of Earl Grey was a refreshing change...
[13:05] * Hourd rumages through his desk drawer
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> with some home-made sourdough bread toasted. (with local honey).
[13:05] <Hourd> yes! earl grey
[13:05] <Hourd> damn, topped by the teast
[13:05] <Hourd> *toast
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> actually, that was last weeks loaf...
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> I usually make one a week.
[13:07] <mervaka> speaking of earl grey, good idea. brb
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:07] <des2> Unpasturized milk!!
[13:07] <Viperfang> hmm
[13:07] <Viperfang> Freenode seems to be having a lag spike
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> is there any other type of milk?
[13:07] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: nice, i usualy get mine from the farmers market
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> we get it delivered in bottles.
[13:08] <Veryevil> Viper: Freenode must just be board with all the beverage talk
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> and a tub of clotted cream once a week too :)
[13:08] <Viperfang> its cleared, went up to 120 secs
[13:10] <des2> milk in bottles ?! What is this 1970 ?
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:11] <huene> last time i've seen milk in bottles was ... 2 days ago :)
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> there are still lots of local dairys doing deliverys.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> we actually had another dairy knocking on doors last week trying to drum up business!
[13:11] <des2> Next people will be using computers comparable in speed to 300 MHz pentiums.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[13:12] * Viperfang gently taps his 486 SX/25
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[13:12] <des2> When I was a kid here the milk guy used to drive by every weekday and put milk in a box you had on your steps.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> SX - Sucks... DX - Deluxe... that's all I remember from that Era...
[13:12] <SStrife> haha too right
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> I worked for a local dairy when I was a teen & at uny...
[13:13] <des2> If you were good you got to have a bottle of chocolate milk.
[13:13] <SStrife> i have a 486 DX4 100 down stairs
[13:13] <Viperfang> Yeah, but I cant seem to find a nice DX
[13:13] <SStrife> it's rad
[13:13] <Viperfang> the SX doesnt have a co pro
[13:13] <Viperfang> its a pita
[13:13] <SStrife> it has a SB Pro 2, and a GUS
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> My first PC was a 486dx66 ...
[13:13] <des2> Dued upgrade to a DX.
[13:13] <Viperfang> the 66 was a DX2 istr
[13:13] <des2> I think I have a few 486/66 in my drawer here.
[13:14] <Viperfang> :O
[13:14] <Viperfang> Ship me one?
[13:14] <Viperfang> You're UK right?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> yes, DX2 - whatever that meant.
[13:14] <des2> heh no US
[13:14] <drazyl> double clock rate internally
[13:14] <techman2> mine was an IBM 286/AT
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[13:14] <BenO> Ohh shiny WebGL :) (iPhone mockup) http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/05/iphone5.html
[13:14] <drazyl> 33Mhz external bus, 66Mhz internal CPU speed
[13:14] * BenO is far more excited about the WebGL than the phone
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> compared to the sparcstations we were using at the time, it flew.
[13:15] <Viperfang> sx - 25 MHz, DX 33MHz, DX2 66MHz
[13:15] <SStrife> there were DX 40's too
[13:15] <techman2> Viperfang: don't forget DX4/100
[13:15] <des2> I couldn't afford the 100
[13:15] <des2> Was really expensive.
[13:15] <SStrife> mine's a DX4/100 Overdrive
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I remember me and my friend just being amazed when we installed Linux on it, ran up X and NFS. completely gob-smacked at the price vs. performance compared to the Sun kit we had.
[13:16] <des2> And about the time the Pentium came out.
[13:16] * SpeedEvil has a working 486/75 machine
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> - laptop
[13:16] <SStrife> it has the voltage regulator onboard, so the motherboard doesn't have to support 3.3V to the CPU
[13:16] <techman2> I used to have an SX 25 I used a firewall box using a single folly linux distro
[13:16] <techman2> floppy rather
[13:16] <Viperfang> SpeedEvil: whats the chips model number?
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Viperfang: It's a mobile chip.
[13:16] <des2> I ran FreeBSD on my 486.
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[13:17] <SStrife> 486 75 would be 25MHz external
[13:17] <Davespice> ladies and gents, what is the largest SD card anyone has had working on their Pi so far?
[13:17] <SStrife> DX "4" actually has a clock tripler
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: About 18mm*24mm
[13:17] <SStrife> DX4 100 was triple 33.33333333333333...
[13:18] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: you should be a comedian
[13:18] <des2> Somw 16GB cards work apparently
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[13:18] <des2> Have you seen the list Davespice ?
[13:18] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[13:18] <Davespice> there is a list? *blank look*
[13:18] <Davespice> ahh!
[13:19] <Davespice> des2: legend, cheers mate
[13:19] <des2> 16GB SDHC Class 10 (SD10G2/16GB, ultimateX 100X)
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[13:19] <haltdef> got my rootfs on a 2GB class 2 microsd
[13:20] <haltdef> outperforms the higher end cards I have when it comes to randoms :P
[13:20] <haltdef> lil thing came with a ??100 android phone too
[13:20] <SStrife> i have a couple of class 8's I could test
[13:20] <SStrife> which I bought for my camera
[13:20] <nid0> iv got a 16gb samsung class 6 that works fine
[13:21] <Viperfang> HDD :P
[13:21] <haltdef> I had my panda setup with a hdd
[13:21] <haltdef> bulk and power usage though
[13:22] <haltdef> for a bouncer and bitlbee a lil sd will be fine
[13:22] <haltdef> just trying to decide on armel vs armhf :P
[13:22] <haltdef> no bitlbee in raspbian repo yet, only the common files
[13:22] * Hourd is using a kodak 8GB class 4
[13:22] <Hourd> works fine =]
[13:23] <Davespice> des2: there is one 32 GB one that works
[13:23] <Davespice> doesn't give a model no though... :/
[13:24] <des2> Yeah a Sandisk
[13:26] <des2> Ha. I see they're touting the Pi as a thin windows client on the mainpage of RP.org
[13:27] <BenO> des2, bleuch :p
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> silly citrix.
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[13:29] <wjoe> 12:17:58 < des2> 16GB SDHC Class 10 (SD10G2/16GB, ultimateX 100X)
[13:29] <wjoe> this is what I'm using, works fine
[13:29] <xranby> i think these two benchmarks tells a pretty grom picture that its only a handfull of sdcard microcontrollers that can handle multiple parallel writes http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-micro-sdhc-charts/Random-Write-4-KB-QD-32-MB-s,2752.html
[13:29] <wjoe> ^ kingston
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[13:30] <xranby> and a class 4 card can really outperform a class 10 card
[13:30] <xranby> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-micro-sdhc-charts/Random-Write-4-KB-QD-1-MB-s,2750.html <- things looks a little better for random writes using only one thread
[13:33] <des2> Yeah I guess you have to really benchmark the indivudual cards, can't just look at the class.
[13:34] <xranby> its important to format the sdcard correctly
[13:34] <xranby> use as large allocation block as possible
[13:34] <xranby> and align partitions to 4mb multiples
[13:35] <xranby> to avoid forcing the card to have to do paritial block erase and fills
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[13:35] <xranby> random writes using larger blocks are much faster on all cards http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-micro-sdhc-charts/Random-Write-512-KB-MB-s,2748.html
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> hard to get Linux to use a 4MB block size though...
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[13:38] <xranby> gordonDrogon: one way is to use btrfs on the card instead of ext4
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> it will use a 4MB blocks size?
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[13:39] <Viperfang> 4MB? I prefer 4KB
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[13:41] <xranby> Viperfang: the only problem with 4kb is that the card itself needs to first clear a larger block then write the 4kb and then write the rest back
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[13:41] <xranby> thus your system will spend a lot of time erasing and writing back information by using smaller block sizes
[13:42] <xranby> especially for sdcards
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[13:42] <BenO> I don't have my Pi handy - does "update-rc.d" exist on the default debian image?
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[13:43] <Hexxeh> i don't see why it wouldn't
[13:43] <BenO> Hexxeh, nor do I, but I can't check :)
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[13:43] <xranby> http://lwn.net/Articles/428584/ - Optimizing Linux with cheap flash drives one of the best articles on the subject
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently running raspbian...
[13:44] <Hexxeh> i've got my pis running raspbian, else i'd check
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[13:44] <Hexxeh> there's basically no reason to run the standard debian at this point :P
[13:44] <BenO> I'm sure it's fine - I'm just responding to a windows guy getting to grips with linux on the forum
[13:44] <Hexxeh> also, people with fast internet connections, can you download http://178.238.238.81/100mb.test and let me know what speed you get?
[13:44] <Hexxeh> let me know your location, too
[13:45] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: did you and teh_orph make any progress yesterday?
[13:45] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: regarding chrome? not so much :/
[13:45] <pjm> Hexxeh getting 2.78MB/sec here
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[13:45] <Hexxeh> pjm: location?
[13:45] <pjm> poole
[13:45] <BenO> Hexxeh, 751K/s Herts, UK - pretty much my max for this time of day
[13:45] <Hexxeh> awesome
[13:45] <pjm> 104,857,600 2.59M/s in 37s
[13:46] <SStrife> fluctuating between 600KB/s and 1.4MB/s
[13:46] <Hexxeh> setting it up as a raspbian mirror for germany
[13:46] <SStrife> Brisbane, Australia
[13:46] <Hexxeh> SStrife: yeah, wouldn't expect fantastic throughput to australia really
[13:46] <SStrife> my download manager created a stupid number of threads though
[13:46] <Hexxeh> and i've no servers down under to let mike use sadly
[13:46] <SStrife> probably causing that fluctuation
[13:46] <SStrife> bbl
[13:47] <des2> Thanks for the article link xranby.
[13:47] <BenO> I know this shows my age, but I'm still awed by trans-continental speeds
[13:47] * haltdef flicks Hexxeh
[13:47] <Hexxeh> hi what
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[13:48] <haltdef> what's the deal with raspbian then, are you just compiling everything wheezy has while mending stuff that won't compile as you go along?
[13:48] <BenO> Anyone remember the 500 mile bug?
[13:48] <Hexxeh> i'm not doing any of the compiling
[13:48] <Hexxeh> BenO: no?
[13:48] <Hexxeh> haltdef: but that's basically what mike's doing
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> 21% [=======> ] 22,042,904 769K/s eta 86s ^C
[13:48] <BenO> Hexxeh, http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
[13:48] <Hexxeh> haltdef: i'm just mirroring the archive
[13:48] <haltdef> ah
[13:48] <haltdef> nice
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[13:49] <BenO> It's a long story, but the jist of it was that they couldn't send email more than 500 miles away from the server...
[13:51] <gregd> Hexxeh: average 4768kb/s with max around 7mb/s
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[13:52] <Hexxeh> BenO: that's an interesting read
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[13:54] <des2> Heh, not 500 miles, 3 mililightseconds.
[13:54] <BenO> Hexxeh, It's a fun bug :)
[13:54] <Anppa> how many attoparsecs?
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> PI seconds in a nanocentury...
[14:04] * BenO has just had an odd urge to make a punch-card reader with the Pi...
[14:06] <Viperfang> I want to make one with an arduino
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[14:08] <des2> Lie down until the urge goes away
[14:09] <des2> And make it a paper tape reader.
[14:09] <BenO> I do have a receipt printer... easier than punching holes...
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> there's enough Game Port IO to build an 8-bit paprer tape reader.
[14:10] <shirro> BenO: holes last longer
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> not so sure about olde punch cards.
[14:10] <BenO> gordonDrogon, that's exactly what I was thinking ;)
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[14:11] <BenO> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blue-punch-card-front-horiz.png
[14:12] <des2> Somewhere I still have a program on paper tape.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> actually ye old punch cards were 10 bits wide, so still enough, probably.
[14:13] <BenO> I'm picturing this as a learning tool, so mimicking it precisely isn't required
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:14] <shirro> what would be really cool is a device that could read, write and modify symbols on a really long piece of tape
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> gah. I'm now having visions of making a reader in Lego |-:
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> shirro, you're inventing a turing machine :)
[14:14] <des2> They had 12 locations (aka bits)
[14:15] <BenO> gordonDrogon, --> http://mackys.livejournal.com/894566.html
[14:15] <des2> You can see the 2 extra ones in BenO's picture
[14:15] <BenO> I mean, shirro --> http://mackys.livejournal.com/894566.html
[14:15] <des2> On top above the 0 line
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> fantastic :)
[14:16] <BenO> It's mesmerising to watch
[14:16] <IT_Sean> On an only slightly related note... raspi + recipt printer + innernet connection + clever code = poor man's ticker tape machine
[14:17] <BenO> IT_Sean, + a way to obscure the floor, as I've found out :)
[14:17] <shirro> BenO: awesome. I want one
[14:17] <des2> I need a ticker tape machine to check my holdings of Consolodated lint.
[14:18] <Matt> morning
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> Universal Exports more like... :)
[14:18] <BenO> I started a print of all the raspberry pi tweets - instant spewing of metres of paper...
[14:18] <BenO> never again
[14:19] <Matt> I do believe linux supports a line-printer console
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> I've tried to MUD on a printer before.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's possible to put console output on lp0 ...
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> - I was addicted
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> And my monitor broke
[14:20] <BenO> SpeedEvil, nethack is fun too ;)
[14:20] <des2> Get an old Olivetti TE300 with a built in Paper tape punch/reader.
[14:20] <BenO> press key - wait for print - press next key .... ;)
[14:20] <IT_Sean> BenO: yes.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I used TTY33's at school and uny...
[14:20] <Matt> gordonDrogon: assuming you have an lp0 :)
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> BenO: you can't sanely do that without a sheet per screen though
[14:21] <BenO> SpeedEvil, I didn't say it was sane ;)
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> BenO: - mud - with the 'advance after no data' - can be
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a MUD onceuponatime...
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> It's still running today - almost 20 years on...
[14:21] <des2> Still has users ?
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> not many..
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[14:22] <BenO> Ooo frotz should work on the Pi! (z-machine interpreter)
[14:22] <Hopsy> hey is this hdd good?
[14:22] <Hopsy> http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/857/452380/seagate-barracuda-vaste-schijf-3-tb-intern-3-5-sata-600-buffer-64-mb.html
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> although one old player just released an iPhone/pad app. for a mud client and listed mine in it, so I've seen a few newbies recently..
[14:22] <BenO> Nicely done :)
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[14:23] <des2> Amazing. 20 years.
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> yes. amazing or foolish/mad, you decide :)
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> telnet land.drogon.net 6123 if you want to look :)
[14:26] <des2> Read newegg user reviews of it Hopsy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
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[14:26] <BenO> http://www.oomlout.co.uk/analog-dial-meter-05v-72mm-p-271.html Awww yeah - like something straight from the Open University in the 80s :)
[14:27] <Veryevil> gordonDrogon: what running in land.drogon.net:6123 ?
[14:27] <Veryevil> running on*
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> the engine is something called ubermud - heavilly hacked by me, the 'universe' is completely unique - written by me with some help from friends for the rooms, etc.
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[14:30] <BenO> I've run out of photo-resistors... :(
[14:30] <des2> Darn.
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[14:30] <des2> Break open some transistors
[14:31] <BenO> I should file down some leds ;)
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> irc is probably easier to chat on than a mud :)
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> but who knows!
[14:34] <des2> That's pretty cool: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> ah yes.
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> I like tinkering with turtle graphics.
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[14:36] <Kripton> When trying to start X, I get this error: "FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted". Anyone knows how to fix that?
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> that's a new one on me...
[14:37] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, once noted it here w/o solution (according to logs on the webpage=
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[14:38] <ReggieUK> either the ioctl is missing or permissions maybe??
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[14:38] <Vostok> hello
[14:39] <Kripton> Permissions looked okay to me. And I tried running X as root
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[14:39] <ReggieUK> check whether the ioctl exists for it in the driver
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[14:40] <Vostok> I guess this is FAQ: Has anyone managed to run a usb wifi without a hub?
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[14:40] <Kripton> ReggieUK, its the normal xf86-video-fbdev. When you google that error you find 2 or 3 pastebins but no solution
[14:41] <Kripton> so I'm not the only one :)
[14:42] <BenO> aditsu_with_pi, it happens all the time - not sure it's unknown to the broadcom folk
[14:42] <BenO> if it's unknown*#
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[14:45] <des2> I believe some people have Vostok.
[14:45] <Vostok> What might their secret be..
[14:46] <des2> You need a good powersupply on the Pi though as the WiFi adapters draw a lot of power.
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[14:46] <des2> There are also issues with drivers.
[14:46] <Vostok> I finally got my dongle working and see the list of networks, but unable to connect. Seems a common problem
[14:46] <des2> There's discussion on the RPI forums.
[14:46] <Vostok> Yeah, i checked those out yesterday.
[14:46] <des2> Which model dongle ?
[14:47] <Vostok> I guess the PSU makes no difference if it's the 140mA usb fuse that's limiting power..
[14:47] <Vostok> A really small EDUP labelled 802.11n dongle, RTL8188SU chipset
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[14:47] <Vostok> Got it working with the precompiled 8192cu module
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[14:48] <Anppa> did lsusb or somesuch thing state something about powerconsumption of attached devices?
[14:49] <Vostok> not lsusb without any parameters atleast
[14:49] <Anppa> stick it to a pc and sudo lsusb -v | grep -i maxpower
[14:49] <des2> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44703/l/raspberry-pi-wifi-adapter-testing
[14:49] <des2> Checkout that page also if you haven't.
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[14:50] <Vostok> Read it trough. I reckon he's using a hub for the tests.
[14:51] <Vostok> And I'd think my adapter would also start working when attached to a hub, but that's not quite the setup I'm looking for.
[14:51] <ReggieUK> there's no reckoning, he does use a hub
[14:51] <Vostok> yeah
[14:52] <Vostok> I've got a powered hub somewhere so i might as well test it out when i find it.
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[14:52] <des2> Yeah do that that will at least eliminate if it's a hardware or software issue
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[14:53] <Vostok> Sure. Just sounds very much like a power shortage
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[15:00] <Anppa> I connected a random d-link usb wifi stick: MaxPower 500mA
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[15:02] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: I just loaded up your raspbian-r3 and a couple of things. LDXE took ages to load and then all of the icons are missing?
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[15:13] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: why not install ntpdate as well as ca-certificates for Raspbian and in your rpi-update call ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org
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[15:24] <tzarc> if you use pump isntead of dhclient or whatever it'll also do ntp as well
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[15:25] <tzarc> so you don't need to worry about two daemons
[15:25] <astom> hello people
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[15:26] <astom> is anyone having errors with the sd card?
[15:27] <Veryevil> just started getting
[15:27] <Veryevil> mmc0: missed completion of cmd 17 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[15:27] <Veryevil> mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[15:27] <astom> i get
[15:27] <Veryevil> when trying rpi-update on Raspbian-R3
[15:27] <astom> mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s).
[15:27] <astom> im on alarmpi
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[15:28] <eXpl01t> x
[15:28] <Axman6> y
[15:28] <Kripton> z
[15:28] <Axman6> shit
[15:29] <Kripton> :P
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Axman6: language
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[15:52] <Davespice> des2: about the wifi adapter thing
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[15:53] <Davespice> I also think a wifi ethernet bridge would work well, they sued to sell them intended for XBOX1 and PS2
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[15:53] <Davespice> cheap as chips on ebay too
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[15:53] <Davespice> and that way you don't lose a USB port
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[15:54] <eXpl01t> !w Aracaju
[15:54] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Aracaju, Sergipe. Temp 75??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 89%, Later 86??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[15:54] <Davespice> something like this; http://support.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/2577
[15:54] <eXpl01t> !w S??o Paulo
[15:54] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Sao Paulo, S??o Paulo. Temp 61??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 77%, Later 63??F - 59??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[15:55] <stuk_gen> !w Montirone
[15:55] <PiBot> stuk_gen: in Montirone, Lombardy. Temp 72??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 38%, Later 73??F - 50??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> !w Devon
[16:19] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Devon. Temp 54??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 62%, Later 57??F - 43??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[16:19] <IT_Sean> !w
[16:19] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue May 15 17:21:00 2012. Temp 64??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 83%, Later 70??F - 61??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
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[16:19] <IT_Sean> :/
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> What's a degree F ?
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> stupid bot.
[16:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's a scale of temperature measurement that has no basis in reality
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[16:20] <teh_orph> how do you get deg C?
[16:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 32 deg F is 0 deg C??? my head esplode!
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I read my thermometer and it tells me in C.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I know that 59F is 15C.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> and -40F is -40C.
[16:21] <teh_orph> our work air con does not line up with what my body says :(
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm on the north side of the house - I can see bright sunshine out, but it's cold.
[16:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: go west
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I hit a wall.
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[16:22] <teh_orph> !w
[16:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Better than being eaten by a grue
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[16:23] <teh_orph> !w won't work for me ...
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[16:23] <PiBot> Not found.
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[16:23] <teh_orph> lollers
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> !w
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[16:23] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 54??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 62%, Later 59??F - 39??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[16:23] <teh_orph> are you in devon?
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> yes
[16:23] <teh_orph> !w
[16:24] <teh_orph> I'm nowhere
[16:24] <teh_orph> !w eureka
[16:24] <PiBot> Not found.
[16:24] <teh_orph> !w hammerfest
[16:24] <PiBot> teh_orph: in Hammerfest, Finnmark. Temp 50??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%, Later 50??F - 37??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> !w timbucktu
[16:25] <PiBot> Not found.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> !w timbuktu
[16:25] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Timbuktu, Tombouctou. Temp ??F. Condition: , Humidity: 0%, Later 104??F - 88??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[16:25] <IT_Sean> !w hell
[16:25] <PiBot> Not found.
[16:26] <IT_Sean> :/
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> What happens if I get two USB->Serial cables and connect them together with a serial gender changer?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> it will do what you expect it to do.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ie. let 2 PCs talk to each other via serial...
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Magic!
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> somewhat sub-optimal in terms of avalable speed, however ...
[16:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Probably the easy way for me to go, since the Ext port on the OpenPandora is a tiny fiddley thing and I don't have a connector for it
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> you'll be running up kermit next...
[16:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> At the moment, having an HDMI cable connected to the Pi, and constantly repurposing my keyboard is a nuisance
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> although I'd probably use minicom with rz/sz ...
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> get a separate keyboard...
[16:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> doesn't really help the screen issue, I also like making things complicated??? it's in my developerey blood
[16:30] <teh_orph> yeah the keyb thing is irritating
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> yea, it takes me 7 button pushes on my screen to switch from VGA to DVI - desktop PC is in the VGA, Pi in the DVI..
[16:30] <teh_orph> also plugging in a keyboard after a kernel panic to use sysrq doesn't work :(
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> and 7 to switch it back again.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aten-CS22U-2-Port-Cable-Switch/dp/B002NTIZCG/ref=pd_sim_computers_1
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> etc.
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> although I currently have a mini keyboard and mouse on my Pi.
[16:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: That's a fair few presses! I don't have as many steps, but my buttons are annoying touch sensitive things that don't seem to register half the time
[16:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I like the mini keyboard idea, though
[16:34] <teh_orph> anyone get usb unplug/replug events when the system gets busy?
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[16:37] <teh_orph> guess that's a no :)
[16:38] <astom> nope...
[16:38] <teh_orph> mouse might stutter for five seconds?
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[16:39] <astom> havent tried a mouse yet
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[16:44] <astom> how do I echo to GPIO?
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[16:45] <trevorman> echo to GPIO? as in just turn a GPIO on and off?
[16:45] <astom> exaclty
[16:46] <astom> which is the file to echo the 1 or 0?
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[16:47] <trevorman> astom: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28Shell_script.29
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[16:55] <astom> thanks
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[17:20] <SpeedEvil> "Raspberry Pi ??? Time to order" - followed by from thunderbird - "This message may be a scam"
[17:22] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:22] <IT_Sean> I wou;dn't order. It might be a scam
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
[17:22] * SpeedEvil ponders ebaying my order authorisation code.
[17:23] <IT_Sean> damnit, no order invite for me yet :(
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Well - PM me bids.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> ah - it has to be the same email
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[17:24] <IT_Sean> bugger
[17:24] <IT_Sean> I'll pay you list for it
[17:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:26] <DDave> SpeedEvil: how about I let you live?
[17:26] <DDave> :D
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[17:27] <DDave> For just the CHEAAAPPPPPP price of one rasppi!
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> 30.87 for one Pi, posted.
[17:27] <DDave> And if you call within the next minute, you get a FREEEEEE second raspi!! :D
[17:27] <IT_Sean> $31
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Pounds
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> $45ish
[17:27] <DDave> would be cheaper than buying.. LOL
[17:27] <DDave> but one question guys..
[17:27] <DDave> I have a url that goes straight to the ordering form
[17:28] <DDave> (and no its not a scam)
[17:28] <DDave> should I order?
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[17:28] <IT_Sean> If you haven't received your order invite, ordering now will just send you to the back of the queue. Your order won''t be processed until you'd have received the invite anyway
[17:28] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: ?30.87? That RS?
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:29] <Kolin> i just got my invite as well
[17:29] <DDave> so you guys registered your interest?
[17:29] <Kolin> yeah
[17:29] <IT_Sean> i did, yes.
[17:30] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: ah wait. you in the UK?
[17:30] <IT_Sean> You have to register interest before you can order
[17:30] <DDave> and then you get an invitation?
[17:30] <IT_Sean> DDave: yes, eventually
[17:30] <trevorman> farnell only charged me 29.46
[17:30] <Kolin> yeah, i regestered interest on the first day
[17:30] <Kolin> and i only just got the invite
[17:30] <DDave> crap..
[17:30] <IT_Sean> when on the first day?
[17:30] <IT_Sean> 'cause the raspi sold out several times over within the first hour or so
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> hi
[17:31] <Kolin> IT_Sean: cant remember, spent ages reloading the page
[17:31] <Hourd> just got my RS invite to order
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Farnell charged me ?26.55 ...
[17:31] <Kolin> think i got it through about 7 or 8
[17:31] <Hourd> wooo
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[17:31] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: 24.55 for the actual RPi and then I got another 4.91 added for VAT
[17:31] <Hourd> Kolin: i just got my order with RS and i registered within 10-15 mins
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Ah, +VAt to take it to ?31.86.
[17:31] <Danty> I also got mine a week or so ago with RS
[17:32] <trevorman> RS and Farnell should be ramping up production anyway so the backlog shouldn't take as long to clear
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> I didn't order via Farnell until late in the afternoon...
[17:32] <trevorman> the initial batch was delayed for several reasons. future ones shouldn't take so long.
[17:32] <DDave> yes.....32GBP for me too
[17:32] <DDave> total BS :(
[17:33] * IT_Sean is STILL waiting for his invite
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[17:34] <trevorman> weird pricing going on here. all in it was 29.46GBP from Farnell. I'm in the UK.
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[17:34] <DDave> <---Germany
[17:34] <trevorman> ah
[17:34] <DDave> But it was the same price for the 3 other countries I could order to..
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[17:35] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: not entirely sure how farnell did their queue. I've got friends who ordered hours after me from UK Farnell and they got theirs a week earlier *shrug*
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I'm not sure either. my order time was just after 6pm though. Expected delivery is next week.
[17:37] <DDave> :)
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> RS stopped emailled me - not that I really care.
[17:37] <SocksG> I ordered at about 8am on launch day (from farnell). My first e-mail indicated that I wasn't getting the first shipment, but soon after. Then it arrived the weekend of the first shipment.
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> lucky...
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[17:39] <trevorman> I still got RS emails but I registered interest hours after it started because nobody was sure what was going on with the ordering
[17:40] <trevorman> the emails aren't particularly useful. just more of a notification that yes, we know you're still in the queue! please wait quietly! thanks
[17:40] <Danty> I ordered and received mine from RS last week... they should be ramping up soon
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[17:41] <Danty> But I agree... every email until then was just emails about delays and reassuring it was coming
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[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Okaaay
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 10 week(s))
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[17:42] <DDave> does RS send to germany too?
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[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Once I go into the order list
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[17:42] <SpeedEvil> Danty: you both ordered and recieved?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> or get one from ebay... plenty on it right now.
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[17:42] <eXpl01t> i hate that emails
[17:42] <eXpl01t> every time a new one arrive, i think there are new RPis for selling on the market =/
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[17:42] <Danty> SpeedEvil: I ordered it hmm 2 weeks ago.... got it this past Friday... Im in the US
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Your online order reference no. is: 5678
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> (RS)
[17:45] <Danty> Mine was 2656 I think
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if this means that this is the first 'fresh' batch from new production
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> (>5000)
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> there's a buy-it-now for ?75 on ebay.
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I think that's the cheapes BIN I've seen yet.
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[17:46] <Danty> I saw one peak $250 this weekend in bids
[17:47] <Hourd> order 5249 here
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[17:47] <DDave> o.0
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[17:47] <Danty> But yeah, their shipping notice to me when I ordered said hmm.... let me pull up the email
[17:47] <DDave> should buy a pandaboard for that price no?
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[17:47] <gordonDrogon> a pandaboard isn't a Pi...
[17:48] <Danty> >Dispatch within 7 days
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[17:48] <Danty> So yeah, I think that was for first batches
[17:48] <Hourd> 7 working days yeah
[17:48] <teh_orph> that'll go in no time...
[17:48] <teh_orph> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuWphlnZ1A
[17:48] <Danty> However my total with VAT came out to ?26.55
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[17:49] <trevorman> looking through ebay, it appears everything is now suitable for the RPi
[17:49] <trevorman> random motors, ICs, protoboard, ancient ribbon cable...
[17:49] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, saw some ribbon cable earlier :)
[17:50] <IT_Sean> and it bet it all costs a couple of quid more than it would without the "suitable for raspi" statement. :|
[17:50] <trevorman> 7 quid for a cheap looking USB mouse that is for use with the RPi
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[17:51] <Matt> what's the going rate for a cheap USB mouse these days?
[17:51] <Danty> I actually need to pick up a cheapy keyboard... or a powered hub
[17:51] <Danty> Turns out this weekend i learned my keyboard doesnt work with the RasPi =/
[17:52] <trevorman> from ebay it appears to be about ?3 for a USB mouse
[17:53] <trevorman> I've got any old Apple USB keyboard and the RPi doesn't like it very much. It quite often thinks I'm still holding down one of the keys.
[17:53] <andypiper> anyone seen a compact/rigid powered USB hub that would fit on the side of the Pi?
[17:53] <IT_Sean> So, over twice the price w/ the raspi "endorcement"
[17:53] <andypiper> don't really want dangly extension
[17:53] <trevorman> IT_Sean: pretty much
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[17:54] <Danty> trevorman: my keyboard does the same thing... logitech myself
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, Hm. I have a very cheap keyboard that ocassinally sticks a key down - I was thinking it was the keyboard being cheap, not the Pi...
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[17:55] <trevorman> pretty sure its the RPi. that keyboard works fine on everything else I've tried it on.
[17:55] <Danty> trevorman: What distro you running with?
[17:55] <trevorman> debian
[17:56] <Danty> I was having that issue a lot with debian and arch
[17:56] <Danty> Fedora seems to be a bit more stable... but I was using a friends keyboard at that point
[17:56] <Danty> At least on his keyboard, I had no stuck keys
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[17:56] <trevorman> hm interesting
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> the keyboard issues shouldn't be distro related - that's all handled by the kernel...
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> or ought to be...
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[18:14] * passstab jus got a email from allied
[18:14] <fALSO> maybe its a power issue ?
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[18:14] <Danty> Its power related most likely
[18:14] <Danty> I changed keyboards with Fedora so I havent tested it
[18:14] <fALSO> its REALLY a bad thing that the rasp pi doesnt come with a pwoer supply
[18:14] <Danty> But the LEDs on my keyboard constantly go on and off so theres definately a power drawing issue
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[18:14] <fALSO> they are REALLY CHEAP on china
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[18:15] <Danty> Thing is im using a 5V 1A adapter
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[18:15] <Danty> So I think my issue if the keyboard itself... Ill probably end up getting a powered hub or something of the sorts
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, supplying a PSU makes it really really hard to address an international audience...
[18:15] <fALSO> arent just the sockets that change ?
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> and it would add another fiver to the cost.
[18:15] <fALSO> i dont know that much... about that
[18:15] <trevorman> its not power at least for my keyboard. I'm using a 5V 2A USB adapter.
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[18:16] <haltdef> .. you don't want cheap chinese ones
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> is the keyboard plugged into the Pi or a hub?
[18:16] <trevorman> direct
[18:16] <Danty> Mine is direct to the pi as well
[18:16] <trevorman> no other USB devices plugged in
[18:16] <Danty> ^
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> hm. mines into the powered hub...
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> arduino's plugged in direct :)
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[18:23] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton, BenO: hi, were you talking to me about the FBIOBLANK error? or something else?
[18:24] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, I'm having it
[18:24] <Kripton> but I'm not sure wether X is running or not after the fault
[18:24] <Kripton> I don't see anything on the screen
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[18:25] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: you can check with ps, I think it stop when that happens
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[18:26] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, I wanna retry with the 128/128MB mem split (using 224 now) but my Pi has just been too busy to reboot :)
[18:26] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: the only solution I found is to try again, optionally with more free memory or using a different way (xdm, startx, etc)
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[18:26] <aditsu_with_pi> I always use the 224 split
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[18:27] <aditsu_with_pi> in other news, the firefox beast still won't link with 4 GB of swap
[18:27] <Kripton> O_o
[18:27] <Kripton> then cross-compile it
[18:28] <aditsu_with_pi> you mean without distcc? I tried and failed during the early dependencies
[18:28] <aditsu_with_pi> (nspr)
[18:29] <Kripton> No I mean on your PC/desktop/laptop using a cross-compiler. Not on the Pi at all
[18:29] <aditsu_with_pi> yes
[18:29] <aditsu_with_pi> I tried to (cross)emerge it on my gentoo desktop
[18:29] <Kripton> My cross-compiler still has woes. Cross-compiled kernel works, userspace-binaries won't
[18:29] <aditsu_with_pi> nspr failed during the configure step
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[18:30] <Kripton> hmm.... you could do all on the pi and cancel at the link step. then copy all object-files to your PC and cross-compile-link it there
[18:31] <Kripton> then copy back.
[18:31] <Kripton> sounds a bit ugly though
[18:31] <aditsu_with_pi> anyway, compiling in qemu with distcc and 4 GB swap, the linker threw up a zillion of these before dying: /usr/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.22.0.20111227 assertion fail /build/src/binutils/bfd/elf32-arm.c:12049
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[18:32] <Kripton> strange. never saw one of these
[18:33] <Kripton> you might ask in #gentoo-embedded if you feel you need help with cross-compiling or compiling on arm
[18:33] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: (about your suggestion) that's dirty low level stuff :p it could work, but sounds very difficult to get right
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[18:34] <aditsu_with_pi> I asked once, went to /dev/null apparently; maybe I'll try again later
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[18:34] <Kripton> low-traffic chan an depends who is online. ssvd and armin76 have been extremely helpful. armin76 is the one who provided the armv6j-hardfp-stage3
[18:35] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: I also found these: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/12/14/1725205/firefox-too-big-to-link-on-32-bit-windows , http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-914640-start-25.html
[18:36] <aditsu_with_pi> looks like I'm not the only one having a hard time linking the bugger
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[18:37] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, or you could try the "gold" linker. it should be part of binutils and take less RAM but I don't know how you force its usage or how well (if at all) it works for ARM
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[18:39] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, the worst thing ever happened to me when I was building firefox and thunderbird in parallel and they tried to link at exactly the same time. Swapped like hellp
[18:39] <aditsu_with_pi> oh God
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[18:41] <aditsu_with_pi> I never compile that stuff in parallel, not because I knew about the linking but because they take so frickin' long anyway so I think doing them in parallel would make it even worse
[18:42] <aditsu_with_pi> especially if I also want to use the computer at the same time
[18:42] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, depends on how many cores you have. and the configure-part uses only one core. so when you compile one package when the other one configures is great. Esp. since we have the --jobs and --load-avarage options
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[18:43] <aditsu_with_pi> the configure part is pretty short
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[18:43] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, depends. there are packages that do configure for 20 subfolders
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[18:44] <Kripton> hey, we made #raspberrypi a gentoo-chan :D
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[18:44] <aditsu_with_pi> hahaha, you will be assimilated :p
[18:45] <aditsu_with_pi> we are the g(entoo.)org!
[18:45] <Kripton> nevermind, according to elinux-wiki, gentoo is a "announced" distribution so it's okay
[18:45] <aditsu_with_pi> oh cool, looking forward to that
[18:46] <Kripton> I think about publishing my Gentoo-install as SD-card image as soon as X is working properly. Currently it's compiling qt-gui. On the Pi .... :/
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[18:48] <aditsu_with_pi> whoa
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[18:48] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: why don't you use distcc?
[18:48] <fALSO> LOL
[18:48] <fALSO> youre crazy no ?
[18:48] <Kripton> I don't trust my cross-compiler yet
[18:48] <fALSO> compiling qt on the pi ?
[18:48] <fALSO> it will take a week
[18:48] <fALSO> LOL
[18:48] <fALSO> nexT: build open office
[18:49] <Kripton> as said: cross-compiled kernel works, cross-compiled userspace binaries say "file not found". and they are 100% there
[18:49] <Kripton> fALSO, not a week. qt-core and qt-script are done. qt-gui is at 80% (rough guess)
[18:49] <aditsu_with_pi> oh hi fALSO, I see you're always up to bring the mood down :)
[18:49] <fALSO> the cpu is slow and from what i know
[18:49] <fALSO> qt is C++
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[18:49] <Kripton> all true
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[18:49] <fALSO> uses much more memory to build
[18:49] <fALSO> memory that the pi doesnt have
[18:49] <Kripton> naah....
[18:50] <fALSO> so it will swap a LOT
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[18:50] <Kripton> 224 split.. swap on 3,5" HDD
[18:50] <fALSO> you guys are crazy :-)
[18:50] <Kripton> and proud of it :D
[18:50] <fALSO> use crossdev on gentoo, and then distcc
[18:50] <fALSO> its the best option
[18:50] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: when you get "file not found", do you see anything in the logs?
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[18:51] <Kripton> fALSO, i did. but it's hardfp and not soooo easy
[18:51] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, which logs?
[18:51] <fALSO> crossdev isnt all that maintained
[18:51] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: system log
[18:51] <fALSO> much of the combinations dont even build
[18:52] <Kripton> fALSO, it did build. I needed to change some things and filed a bug but the cross-compiled kernel does boot
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[18:52] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, nope, nothing there.
[18:52] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: wonder if strace helps, or gdb
[18:53] <fALSO> very nice kripton
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[18:53] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, tried both. they both say "file not found"
[18:54] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: what if you trace the shell trying to execute the file?
[18:54] <Kripton> but running "file" and "readelf" on them works
[18:54] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, sounds good. need to try
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[18:54] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, you watching movies with your Pi?
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, no, just trying to run SDL applications on the console without X.
[18:55] <Hexxeh> got another order code from RS
[18:55] <Hexxeh> time to pick a developer to give it to :)
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[18:56] <aditsu_with_pi> hmm, a quick search suggests that firefox versions 5-8 work on the Pi
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> RS not cleverenough to bind them to email addresses... (handy!)
[18:56] <aditsu_with_pi> there must be a reason later versions are not mentioned :p
[18:56] <Hexxeh> probably haven't been compiled
[18:56] <DaQatz> Who's work on OS work? Would be the best canidates I think Hexxeh.
[18:56] <fALSO> the thing is just build it
[18:57] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: I'm guessing can't be compiled :p
[18:57] <fALSO> and then dont open any tab, or you will start swapping
[18:57] <aditsu_with_pi> or more specifically linked
[18:57] <fALSO> :-P
[18:57] <Hexxeh> probably can be
[18:57] <Hexxeh> but debian squeeze repos are ooolllddd.
[18:58] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, you read the thing about gold, right?
[18:59] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: yeah, but I think it's a long shot, I never used it even on amd64
[18:59] <Kripton> me neither. but it existst and might help
[18:59] <aditsu_with_pi> and I already wast^H^H^H^Hspent TOOOO much time with the Pi :p
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[19:00] <Kripton> "binutils-config --linker ld.gold " looks easy :)
[19:00] <aditsu_with_pi> work has an annoying habit not to do itself...
[19:00] <Kripton> right
[19:01] <Hexxeh> gold works fantastically when linking chrome
[19:01] <Hexxeh> helps a LOT.
[19:01] <DaQatz> Nice
[19:01] <DaQatz> I've never tried gold
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[19:02] <aditsu_with_pi> I'll have to try it on amd64 first
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[19:05] <kallisti5> woor
[19:05] <kallisti5> just got the Haiku loader running on the raspberry pi baremetal
[19:05] <kallisti5> + uart output
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[19:07] <trevorman> the beos clone? thats pretty cool
[19:07] <TopherBrink> nice
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[19:07] <Hexxeh> developer? want a pi within the next week or so? read here: https://twitter.com/hexxeh/status/202444390046777344
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[19:08] <kallisti5> Hexxeh: We have two Haiku developers with Pi's :D
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[19:08] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: poor timing :P D3 just came out ;)
[19:08] <Hexxeh> kallisti5: Nice :)
[19:09] <kallisti5> Hexxeh: btw... your Chrome OS builds are pretty swell.. i've been following for a long time
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[19:09] <Hexxeh> thanks :)
[19:10] <Hexxeh> I'm doing Pi images too, but they're not much use until the graphics stack problem is resolved: http://distribution.hexxeh.net/archive/raspberry/2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a/ChromeOS-Raspberry-2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a.zip
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[19:11] <tpresence> there is a graphics stack problem?
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[19:11] <Hexxeh> tpresence: you tried using 3D under X? :D
[19:12] <tpresence> nah
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[19:12] <Hexxeh> it ain't fun, trust me
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying 2D under the console and not having fun )-:
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[19:15] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: hopefully teh_orph's drivers should help with that
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, I wait patiently ....
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[19:18] <eXpl01t> !Arracaju
[19:18] <eXpl01t> !w Arracaju
[19:18] <eXpl01t> !w Aracaju
[19:18] <PiBot> Not found.
[19:18] <PiBot> eXpl01t: in Aracaju, Sergipe. Temp 79??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 83%, Later 86??F - 73??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[19:20] <Viperfang> !w norwich, uk
[19:20] <PiBot> Viperfang: in Norwich, Norfolk. Temp 48??F. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 71%, Later 54??F - 39??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[19:20] <Viperfang> Chance?
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[19:21] <Hexxeh> yay, my serial adaptor arrived
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[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Oooh - cool.
[19:28] <aditsu_with_pi> !w Penistone
[19:28] <PiBot> aditsu_with_pi: in Penistone, South Yorkshire. Temp 48??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 54%, Later 50??F - 37??F. Condition: Rain.
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> Thank you for your Raspberry Pi order, your order reference number is: 5678
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> I just had the novelty number pointed out to me.
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:30] <aditsu_with_pi> SpeedEvil: they probably just made it up
[19:30] <huene> SpeedEvil: RS?
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> I note that that's >5k
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if this is the second batch
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[19:32] <trevorman> odd that they're giving specific order nums for RPi
[19:32] <Hexxeh> i don't think they're sequential
[19:32] <huene> wow. this is going fast
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[19:32] <Hexxeh> i ordered two from RS and they weren't in order
[19:33] <RaYmAn> trevorman: it's not so odd when you consider that they didn't really sell much to end-users before
[19:33] <huene> i ordered from RS on friday evening and it was something 45XX (don't know exactly)
[19:33] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: two? Cheater! :P
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[19:33] <Hexxeh> one for me, one for my girlfriend :P
[19:33] <Hexxeh> we both had RS codes
[19:33] <RaYmAn> right :P
[19:33] <aditsu_with_pi> they have a little monkey that draws numbers from a box
[19:34] <Caver> ah your "girlfriend"
[19:34] <trevorman> RaYmAn: just seems odd considering the system would be setup to give a regular order num
[19:34] <trevorman> I've ordered tons of stuff from RS before as just a regular consumer as well. Never had any problems with them refusing because I'm not a company.
[19:34] <RaYmAn> it varies from country to country
[19:34] <trevorman> ah
[19:34] <trevorman> RS UK doesn't seem to care
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[19:41] <Kripton> yay! GPS-reciever working at the Pi :D
[19:41] <Hydrazine> nice
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[19:43] <Caver> what type of GPS?
[19:43] <Caver> a usb one or a serial one
[19:44] <IT_Sean> GPS = goddamn positioning system?
[19:44] <Caver> ah the southern version
[19:44] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:45] <Kripton> It's a serial device that came with a Serial(TTL)-to-USB-converter. Details just posted here: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_GPS_devices
[19:45] <ReggieUK> so we can confirm that the serial port works then?
[19:45] <Kripton> It's the first one I ever had
[19:45] <Caver> yay
[19:45] <Kripton> ReggieUK, connected it via USB
[19:45] <ReggieUK> mmeeeh, chicken
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[19:46] <Kripton> ReggieUK, and the serial TTL (before the converter) uses 5V so I do not want to connect it directly to the Pi's serial port
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[19:46] <Caver> probably wise!
[19:46] <ReggieUK> 2 resistors would make it alll safe
[19:47] <Kripton> true. might even work with 2 of the same value. 2.5V should be ok for a logical 1
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[20:08] <eXpl01t> is it possible to power a RPi using one of the GPIO pins? I'm worried because i don't have a micro USB (type B) connector, but I have a 5V 1A adaptor, with wires exposed
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[20:09] <IT_Sean> Possible, yes. Safe, not as safe as using the micro USB plug.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> iirc, both the 3.3v and 5v rails are exposed to GPIO, but, don't quote me on that.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> They are.
[20:09] <trevorman> you'll by bypassing some of the protection circuitry like the fuse
[20:10] <IT_Sean> You would need to power both of them, yes?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> and right next to each other, so if you touch the 3.3 with your 5V supply, then <phut>
[20:10] <trevorman> IT_Sean: just 5V
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Oh?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Okay.
[20:10] <trevorman> the built in regulator will handle the 3.3V like it does normally
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> 3.3 is derived fro 5v.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> Okay.
[20:10] <IT_Sean> I wasn't sure.
[20:10] <eXpl01t> ok ok guys
[20:10] <eXpl01t> just listen
[20:11] <eXpl01t> is it difficult to build a protection circuit? (DIY)
[20:11] <trevorman> no but its just easier to get a USB cable :P
[20:11] <IT_Sean> How good are you at soldering little fiddly bits to other little fiddly bits?
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> to stop you connecting 5V to the 3.3v pin? I'd suggest almost impossible...
[20:11] <trevorman> buy USB cable. chop in half.
[20:12] <eXpl01t> but would i need to solder something into the RPi?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> You coull current limit it, but by the time the current is too high, it's probably too late.
[20:12] <eXpl01t> could i make an external circuit?
[20:12] <eXpl01t> with some registors... etc?
[20:12] <trevorman> you don't specifically need the protection circuitry
[20:12] <trevorman> its there incase something does wrong
[20:12] <trevorman> goes
[20:12] <plugwash> It's pretty trivial to provide overcurrent protection similar to that on the micro USB connector
[20:12] <IT_Sean> To answer your question, there is a 5v pin on the GPIO header. You can power the PI that way, but it is not recommended.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> just go and buy a USB charger.
[20:13] <bootc> just be aware that if something goes wrong you'll have a very light cheap paperweight you waited ages to get your hands on
[20:13] <eXpl01t> I'm not good at electronics (the hardware parts), but I can do soldering and connecting the parts if someone show me a very simple circuit..... i had done some simple circuits in the past, and I plugged them in my computer... they worked fine
[20:13] <trevorman> what plugwash said. you're mainly bypassing the fuse.
[20:13] <IT_Sean> ^wot 'e said
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[20:13] <plugwash> what you CAN'T easilly provide is protection against someone plugging your cable into the wrong pins on the GPIO header and frying stuff
[20:13] <eXpl01t> guys listen
[20:13] <trevorman> easiest + safest option is just to use the USB socket
[20:13] <eXpl01t> ppl told me that it is not safe
[20:13] <trevorman> we are listening
[20:14] <eXpl01t> but i want a way to make it safer
[20:14] <IT_Sean> THe way to make it safer is to buy a USB charger.
[20:14] <trevorman> you're doing extra work for very little benefit
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> make it safer by doing it properly.
[20:14] <trevorman> ^
[20:14] <ReggieUK> who told you what wasn't safe?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Get a USB charger.
[20:14] <eXpl01t> by building some protection circuit (only if it is simple... if it is not simple, i would prefer to buy an USB adaptor)
[20:14] <ReggieUK> lern2electronics
[20:14] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, about my cross-compiler-problem: here is the strace of the shell trying to exec the binary: http://pastebin.com/1iPUGn24 . I just asked that in #gentoo-embedded
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[20:14] <trevorman> eXpl01t: all you're bypassing is a fuse
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[20:15] <eXpl01t> so, i need only a fuse?
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[20:15] <ReggieUK> get a bagful
[20:15] <IT_Sean> powering via the GPIO, eXpl01t, is not unsafe for YOU, you might just fry your pi, if you bugger it up.
[20:15] <ReggieUK> 0.5a
[20:15] <trevorman> its not ideal that you're supplying power far away from the clamping diode tho
[20:15] <ReggieUK> :D
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[20:15] <eXpl01t> if i get a fuse and put it before the GPIO pin, it would be safe as if i would be using the USB adaptor, isnt it?
[20:15] <trevorman> no
[20:15] <trevorman> look at the schematic
[20:15] <ReggieUK> you really should just try a usb adapter
[20:16] <IT_Sean> don't pull a Daniel, just buy a USB charger.
[20:16] <eXpl01t> so
[20:16] <trevorman> you'll see that there is a fuse and a transient diode. the fuse is inline. the diode is across the USB power.
[20:16] <eXpl01t> my idea was instead of solder the wires in the gpio pins directly
[20:16] <ReggieUK> plugging and unpluggin the power from a pin header constantly is just going to weaken it
[20:17] <eXpl01t> i would connect the wires of my adaptor to one of those led adaptors (used in computer motherboards): http://www.bombayharbor.com/productImage/0763963001253949025/Led_Plug_Connectors.jpg
[20:17] <trevorman> you can add the fuse to your PSU but that diode wouldn't be right next to your PSU. its not ideal.
[20:17] <ReggieUK> not worth it is it?
[20:17] <eXpl01t> like in that picture
[20:17] <eXpl01t> so it would fit precisely in the GPIO pin
[20:17] <plugwash> trevorman, the overvoltage protection is accross the 5V rail so it should provide protection regardless of whether you feed it through the USB power input or the GPIO header
[20:17] <trevorman> plugwash: was more thinking of high currents burning out the PCB traces but if its that high anyway then the RPi is toast
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[20:18] <eXpl01t> so
[20:18] <plugwash> The main risk with powering with the GPIO header is accidental misconnection
[20:18] <trevorman> why don't you want to use the USB socket anyway?
[20:18] <eXpl01t> i guess it would be better to buy an micro USB pin and solder to the wires of my adaptor :P
[20:18] <eXpl01t> so it would be safe :P
[20:18] <trevorman> yes
[20:18] <IT_Sean> yes
[20:18] <eXpl01t> ok
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> ok, that picture, eXpl01t - the issue with it is that the 0v is not next to the 5V pin. Howeve there is an onnoficial 5V next to the 0v pin... but really, it's marked DNC - Do Not Connect.
[20:18] <eXpl01t> maybe that is easier
[20:19] <eXpl01t> ok
[20:19] <eXpl01t> so guys
[20:19] <eXpl01t> when they will sell more?
[20:19] <trevorman> it'd be easier and removable. doesn't get in the way of anything else you might want to add to the GPIO pins. significantly less chance of you plugging it in wrong as well.
[20:19] <eXpl01t> i really want one :(
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[20:19] <eXpl01t> i'm waiting for the RPi since last year
[20:19] <IT_Sean> eXpl01t: there is a massive backorder still.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Actually, because of the extra 5V pin and the position of the one we're not supposed to connect to, I did wonder if that's how they powered some of the early ones...
[20:20] <IT_Sean> join the queue, and wait your turn to order, like the rest of us have.
[20:20] <simonlc> I just placed an order today, they said in an email if I did it should ship out in a week
[20:20] <trevorman> simonlc: eh?
[20:20] <eXpl01t> i'm in the queue
[20:20] <eXpl01t> but they do not ship to my country
[20:20] <trevorman> simonlc: you mean the RS order page?
[20:20] <eXpl01t> at least it was not in the list at the launch date =/
[20:21] <simonlc> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 1 week(s))
[20:21] <trevorman> what site is that?
[20:21] <simonlc> rs
[20:21] <trevorman> you registered interest before though?
[20:21] <Kripton> FYI: took 5 days from order to ship to germany
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[20:21] <simonlc> yes, at launch
[20:21] <eXpl01t> so guys you convinced me, i would buy a micro USB plug and solder to the wires, that shouldnt be difficult
[20:22] <trevorman> yeah. thats diffrent :)
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[20:22] <Kolin> Thank you for your Raspberry Pi order, your order reference number is: 6184
[20:22] <Kolin> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 3 week(s))
[20:22] <simonlc> ah ok
[20:22] <simonlc> I'm 5656
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[20:22] <trevorman> simonlc: you were already in the queue. they just didn't accept an order from you yet as they're doing them when they've got stock.
[20:22] <eXpl01t> you are very lucky to have born in europe
[20:22] <simonlc> 44.02 total (canadian)
[20:22] <trevorman> eXpl01t: your PSU is regulated?
[20:23] <eXpl01t> you guys should help us from south america, and ship some Pis to here :(
[20:23] <simonlc> they're still hard to get, once that passes, I don't think it would be a problem eXpl01t
[20:23] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: aha, sorry it's over my head, but hopefully somebody else can help
[20:24] <simonlc> been waiting for ever to get one myself
[20:24] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, nevermind, just wanted to inform you
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> eXpl01t, rather than buying a micro USB plug, why not just buy a charger complete with microusb plug on it? that's what almost everyone else is using.
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm using a powere usb hub with a standard USB to micro USB adapter cable.
[20:24] <simonlc> I'm planing on using my phone charger, that should work right?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> if it's micro USB...
[20:24] <simonlc> it is
[20:24] <trevorman> and its 5V
[20:24] <IT_Sean> simonlc: is it microUSB and at least 700ma?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> and 1A or more...
[20:25] <simonlc> I'll check
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg <-- picture of board and hub with micro usb adapter cable for power.
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[20:25] <simonlc> it says 4.8V 1.0A
[20:25] <eXpl01t> trevorman: how could i know if the PSU is regulated?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> hub is supplied with a 2A PSU.
[20:26] <trevorman> eXpl01t: got a multimeter?
[20:26] <eXpl01t> i don't, but it is a phone charger
[20:26] <eXpl01t> but not micro USB
[20:26] <IT_Sean> Get one. You'll find use for it often enough it's worth having.
[20:26] <trevorman> probably okay but you should still check it
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[20:27] <eXpl01t> yea, i had one in the past, but it broke
[20:27] <eXpl01t> i'll get a new one
[20:27] <simonlc> Anyone know of some updated measurements for the board? trying to find out the amx with, height, and lenght with an sd card in it
[20:27] <trevorman> if its a switch mode PSU then its going to be regulated. if its a chunky linear one with a heavy transformer then it might not be regulated.
[20:27] <trevorman> switched
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[20:28] <eXpl01t> how could i know if it is a switched mode one? :P
[20:28] <eXpl01t> i dont have any idea about those things =/
[20:29] <eXpl01t> i'm a software guy lol
[20:29] <trevorman> is it really light?
[20:29] <simonlc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-LG-Optimus-Charger-STA-U13WV-Micro-USB-Data-Cable-Travel-Home-NEW-/230738294806
[20:29] <simonlc> that's the charger I have
[20:29] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: what's amx?
[20:29] <simonlc> max*
[20:29] <eXpl01t> yea it is very light
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[20:30] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: including the protruding plugs?
[20:30] <trevorman> eXpl01t: its a switched mode psu then
[20:30] <eXpl01t> it was used in an old lg phone
[20:30] <eXpl01t> i guess
[20:30] <simonlc> I'd like to cut some metal before I get the board if possible to make a case for it, but I couldn't find any sure dimentions
[20:30] <simonlc> yes
[20:31] <simonlc> including the plugs
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> buy one off ebay & copy it :)
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> If you have _any_ doubt that it's regulated - get a multimeter - and measure it.
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> They're 3.99
[20:31] <trevorman> ^
[20:31] <trevorman> also handy to have anyway
[20:31] <simonlc> I want to fit everything inside of the case
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DT830B-LCD-Digital-Multimeter-Electric-Voltage-Tester-BATTERY-and-LEADS-/160732680715?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item256c6a120b
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> For example
[20:32] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: length: 11cm
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> I'm awaiting my solar panels to power my Pi.
[20:32] <trevorman> Simon-: you'll get annoyed by the protruding USB sockets then
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Coming tomorrow!
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> 420W.
[20:32] <eXpl01t> 3,99 there, here they are 20~30 (in the local currency)
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> (May be usable to power other things too)
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: Are you in brazil?
[20:32] <eXpl01t> yea
[20:33] <simonlc> what do you mean trevorman ?
[20:33] <trevorman> simonlc: the USB sockets on the RPi stick out
[20:33] <trevorman> they're not flush with the edge of the PCB
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: Hah. :/ Unfortunate I can guess that from the knowledge of ridiculous prices.
[20:33] <eXpl01t> yea
[20:33] <simonlc> I know, I want to make them flush with a steel case I'm building
[20:33] <eXpl01t> that's why i'm very upset with the raspberry pi and foundation
[20:33] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: width: 6.4cm
[20:33] <simonlc> that's why I'm wondering the exact dimentions
[20:34] <eXpl01t> they told me they would ship here, with good prices
[20:34] <eXpl01t> and then........
[20:34] <trevorman> simonlc: the problem is that the ethernet socket is flush :|
[20:34] <eXpl01t> i dont have any idea when i'll get a raspberry pi, if i would get one!
[20:34] <trevorman> I saw some accurate dimensions of the RPi somewhere recently. Lemme see if I can find them
[20:34] <eXpl01t> i would pay about R$ 300 for one!! it doesnt worth it (R$300 = US$150)
[20:34] <simonlc> thanks aditsu_with_pi :)
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone know of any broken Pis?
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> 2 so-far IIRC.
[20:35] <simonlc> eXpl01t: why not get a cotton candy for that price?
[20:35] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: height: I think 2cm to be safe
[20:35] <eXpl01t> lol
[20:36] <aditsu_with_pi> (some pins and stuff are sticking out a bit on the bottom)
[20:36] <eXpl01t> i cant pay for a Pi, when they come here
[20:36] <simonlc> sweet, I might put a battery pack in it if it's not too big
[20:36] <aditsu_with_pi> ah and the sd plug
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[20:36] <trevorman> simonlc: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberrypi/comments/tg9z4/full_pi_dimensions/ + http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs should cover it
[20:36] <eXpl01t> man, a BeagleBoard that costs R$149, they are selling them here for almost R$975 !!!!!! (= US$ 435) !!!!!!!!!!!
[20:37] <trevorman> can't find any mechanical drawings for the release RPi
[20:37] <simonlc> :O thanks, can you double check those aditsu_with_pi? yours seem a bit off from his
[20:38] <simonlc> I found some but I'm not sre about the accuracy of his diagrams since his sd card was too wide
[20:38] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: off by 1 mm on 2 measurements
[20:38] <eXpl01t> here goes a great idea for u guys: open a store, and sell things to brazil for lower prices!!! If you sell things lower than US$50, and send them like gifts, they wont apply taxes to the products here!
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[20:39] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: That is actually fraud - and has legal problems on both sides.
[20:39] <simonlc> Speaking of which, I will probably have to pay duties for my pi
[20:39] <eXpl01t> brazil is one of the greatest markets in the world, cuz there are 200 millions of brazilians, and many of them have good money to buy products!!
[20:39] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, cross-compiler working :D voil??: "cd /lib && ln -s ld-2.14.1.so ld-linux-armhf.so.3" fixed it. I'm amazed
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[20:39] <eXpl01t> ppl dont buy massively because of abusive prices!
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: I take it you know the reasons for the prices?
[20:40] <eXpl01t> SpeedEvil: i see fraud every day here, on the tv
[20:40] <eXpl01t> be a politician in brazil means fraud
[20:40] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: huh? so there was a bug in crossdev, or what?
[20:40] <Revo> If anyones desperate for pi I'll sell mine
[20:40] <Revo> ??250
[20:40] <eXpl01t> they steal our money and get rich with it
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: It's to protect/develop brazils electronics industry - in principle.
[20:41] <Hexxeh> rpi-update works in offline mode now
[20:41] <Hexxeh> so you can update an SD card without running from it
[20:41] <eXpl01t> everything you buy here, even medicine and food, you pay about 40~50% of taxes
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> eXpl01t: To make it cheaper to manufacture stuff in the country
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[20:42] <eXpl01t> but the products wont be cheaper like the ones made in china
[20:42] <eXpl01t> ppl here want big salaries
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[20:42] <eXpl01t> so
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[20:42] <oldtopman> Question - is Allied Electronics the same as RS?
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> That's the problem.
[20:42] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: length is 11.1cm if you include 2 little things sticking out between the 2 usb plugs
[20:42] <eXpl01t> i will never get a Pi :(
[20:43] <eXpl01t> oldtopman: they say that Allied Electronics is the distributor of RS in the USA... that's all i know
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[20:44] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: as for width, I think 6.3 is too narrow
[20:44] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, don't quite know. Either crossdev or the stage3 I used. But devs said there was much shuffeling around lately. I assume it's not worth a bug
[20:44] <Kripton> Since I used "unstable" versions for the toolchain w/o knowing it direclty
[20:45] <simonlc> so 6.4cm to make it fit you think, aditsu_with_pi ?
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[20:45] <oldtopman> eXpl01t: Thanks.
[20:46] <eXpl01t> oldtopman: np :)
[20:46] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: yep I get 6.4
[20:46] <simonlc> ok thanks
[20:46] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: what kind of shuffling?
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[20:46] * oldtopman waits for june 18th
[20:46] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_4475b26b1a715a81900c37f91ee04465.xml
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[20:48] <pfoetchen> http://pastebin.com/P8MLquDG ;) haiku loader loads... but does not realy do anything usefull yet since we did not initialize the mmu ;)
[20:49] <aditsu_with_pi> Kripton: hmm don't understand much but I like "kablooie" :) I hope things will become more stable in a few weeks
[20:50] <Kripton> aditsu_with_pi, kablooie? it will get more stable ... after https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415937 has been fixed at least
[20:51] <simonlc> are you guys trying to get gentoo on rpi?
[20:51] <Kripton> simonlc, not trying. We are running Gentoo on the Pi
[20:51] <simonlc> :o
[20:51] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm not (yet)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Kablooie is an Onomatopoeia.
[20:51] * plugwash thought the whole point of gentoo was to build stuff yourself
[20:52] <plugwash> which seems like a bad idea on a system as weak as the pi
[20:52] <Hexxeh> which sounds painful on a pi
[20:52] <simonlc> I got another question, would it be possible to desolder some plugs if I wasn't going to use them?
[20:52] <Kripton> plugwash, right. to use the specific features of a target system
[20:52] * Hexxeh has already tried Gentoo on Pi, wasn't fun... :P
[20:52] <aditsu_with_pi> that's why I plan to cross-compile stuff
[20:52] <Kripton> Hexxeh, not if you're cross-compiling
[20:52] <Hexxeh> Kripton: but you could achieve that via cross-compile
[20:52] <Hexxeh> you don't need gentoo if you're cross-compiling really
[20:52] <Hexxeh> see raspbian
[20:52] <Hexxeh> debian, but tuned for pi
[20:53] <Kripton> Hexxeh, but it makes things easier beause gentoo is used to compile stuff from source
[20:53] <aditsu_with_pi> I'm using arch now, it has a "ports" system
[20:54] <plugwash> mmm, debian is not really setup for cross compiling, for raspbian we are building stuff natively on better arm hardware but even the best arm hardware available is poor compared to x86 hardware
[20:54] <Kripton> plugwash, why don't you cross-compile then?
[20:55] <Kripton> Hexxeh, and with Gentoo you can leave stuff out you don't need. For example gpsd: on arch it supports a lot of devices. You usually connect only one. So leave out the other drivers
[20:55] <Hexxeh> Kripton: you don't need to sell Gentoo to me, I know it's awesome :)
[20:56] <Hexxeh> Chromium OS is Gentoo-based
[20:56] <plugwash> there are a few reasons for avoiding cross compiling but the main one is that while there have been some attempts to add cross compiling support to debian packages there is far from universal support for it in debian packaging
[20:56] <Hexxeh> you might find this useful: https://github.com/Hexxeh/overlay-raspberrypi
[20:56] <plugwash> debian itself has always been compiled natively
[20:56] <Kripton> plugwash, right, I heared about that rule
[20:57] <Kripton> Hexxeh, yes, looks useful. I was only aware of https://github.com/subwire/raspberrypi-overlay
[20:57] <Hexxeh> Kripton: there's some Chromium OS specific eclasses used in mine i'm afraid, not sure if they're still useful to you
[20:57] <[SLB]> hm speaking of what, not sure why Chromium OS on usb to me is just being ignored at boot time, some old releases booted but kept rebooting, now not even that
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[20:59] <aditsu_with_pi> I never understood what's the point of chromium os..
[20:59] <[SLB]> eheh just wondering :p
[20:59] <D34TH> what happens if i plug a device that takes 6v@2.5A into a powersupply that gives 12v@2.5a
[20:59] <aditsu_with_pi> it's like a tv with just one channel
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[20:59] <mjr> D34TH, it's not unlikely that your nick happens to the device
[20:59] <Kripton> Hexxeh, and when ChromiumOS is based on Gentoo you cross-compile it?
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[21:00] <D34TH> damn
[21:00] <trevorman> it'll most probably let the smoke out with a bang as you just put 2x the voltage into it
[21:00] <plugwash> the biggest problem with building natively for arm is actually ram. Arm boards with a suitable core version and more than a gigabyte of ram are pretty much unobtainable
[21:00] <DaQatz> It's better to say ChromiumOS is built with gentoo.
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[21:00] <D34TH> i know the higher amp doesnt matter but i was unsure about the voltage
[21:00] <Hexxeh> Kripton: don't understand the question sorry
[21:01] <Kripton> DaQatz, that explains it then. Hexxeh, you build ChromiumOS on your desktop and let it run on the Pi then
[21:01] <trevorman> D34TH: voltage is important. some devices have a wide range of voltage that they support but in general you should stick to whatever they tell you to use
[21:01] <D34TH> damn
[21:01] <Hexxeh> Kripton: ah, yes
[21:01] <aditsu_with_pi> plugwash: indeed, especially when you want to link the latest firefox...
[21:01] <D34TH> damn slingboxes
[21:01] <IT_Sean> The raspi requires 5V. not 3.5, not 6.5. 5.
[21:01] <D34TH> someone gave me a slingbox pro
[21:01] * IT_Sean put anything more than 5v into it, it'll go bang. less than 5, it won't work.
[21:01] <D34TH> without the power adapter
[21:01] <IT_Sean> oooh
[21:01] <IT_Sean> what's the rated input on it?
[21:02] <Kripton> Hey, I could try my DVB-S2-reciever on the Pi :D
[21:02] <trevorman> ehhh yeah. does it smell odd now?
[21:02] <D34TH> didnt plug it in
[21:02] <trevorman> oh good
[21:02] <IT_Sean> it should say on the bottom how much voltage it likes.
[21:02] <aditsu_with_pi> D34TH: be sure to post the clip on youtube when you do
[21:02] <IT_Sean> if not, google is your friend.
[21:03] <D34TH> http://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-Slingbox-PRO-SB200-100/dp/B000IVDIL4
[21:03] <D34TH> power supply is 20 usd
[21:03] <D34TH> lol
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[21:03] <IT_Sean> What is the voltage!?
[21:03] <D34TH> 6v@2.5a
[21:04] <IT_Sean> you can probably get a cheaper PSU elsewhere, if you know the voltage
[21:04] <trevorman> getting a 6V @ 2.5A one might be annoying as its an odd voltage
[21:04] <IT_Sean> Any 6v PSU will work then, so long as it is capable of 2.5a or more
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[21:04] <D34TH> i dont have any 6v psus
[21:05] <trevorman> it looks like that slingbox PSUs are notorious for being weak or failing
[21:05] <IT_Sean> is there a ratshack near you?
[21:05] <IT_Sean> or some other electronical stuff shoppe?
[21:05] <aditsu_with_pi> I have a cheap AC adapter with multiple voltage outputs, only 1.2A though
[21:06] <D34TH> oh thats nice of them: http://support.slingbox.com/docs/IO/28281/PRO.PSU.png
[21:07] <Hexxeh> anyone have the pinout for connecting to the pi's serial console handy?
[21:08] <trevorman> Hexxeh: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[21:08] <trevorman> the pic anyway
[21:08] <Hexxeh> trevorman: which end of the pi is which on that diagram?
[21:09] <plugwash> Hexxeh, pin 1 on the Pi is marked with a square pad as is conventional
[21:09] <Kripton> Hexxeh, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[21:09] <simonlc> does the r-pi need cooloing?
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[21:09] <trevorman> what plugwash said. its also got a silkscreen P1 and a notch
[21:10] <Hexxeh> plugwash: ah, so it is, didn't notice
[21:10] <IT_Sean> simonlc: no.
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[21:10] <IT_Sean> it should put off veeeery little warmth.
[21:10] <Kripton> simonlc, don't hink so. I got it working here for 10+ hrs and the chips are a little warm but not hot
[21:10] <IT_Sean> it's designed to run without cooling
[21:10] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: I think a vent wouldn't hurt
[21:11] <aditsu_with_pi> if you make a case
[21:11] <simonlc> I have a ton of mini fans, thought I might put on in my case thing
[21:11] <trevorman> you don't need a fan
[21:11] <ajtag> alright paul
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[21:11] <simonlc> maybe I'll just make a vent though
[21:11] <IT_Sean> a fan is not necessary.
[21:11] <IT_Sean> I'd put a vent, but, passive cooling should be fine.
[21:11] <D34TH> even if you overclient
[21:12] <IT_Sean> overclient?
[21:12] <trevorman> clock I assume
[21:12] <IT_Sean> do you mean overclock?
[21:12] <D34TH> epe
[21:12] <IT_Sean> dunno.
[21:12] <D34TH> overclock
[21:12] <D34TH> sorry
[21:12] <IT_Sean> even overclocked, passive cooling _should_ be enough
[21:12] <D34TH> ^
[21:12] <D34TH> thats what i wanted to say
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[21:13] <IT_Sean> even if it draws all of the rated 700ma that it can, it really shouldn't generate much heat.
[21:13] <trevorman> it doesn't get that hot and you can't overclock or overvolt it that much anyway
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[21:13] <D34TH> you can overclock
[21:13] <aditsu_with_pi> I think somebody mentioned that the ARM is not limited by temperature like desktop cpus
[21:13] <simonlc> bit-tech ran it at 900mhz
[21:13] <trevorman> D34TH: "that much"
[21:14] <simonlc> which is a pretty fair oc
[21:14] <D34TH> if != 0
[21:14] <Hexxeh> found this, handy: http://lavalink.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/raspberry-pi-serial_sm.jpg
[21:14] <D34TH> isnt that uart?
[21:14] <trevorman> aditsu_with_pi: eh?
[21:14] <D34TH> hexxeh?
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[21:15] <aditsu_with_pi> trevorman: don't know if I can find the link again..
[21:15] <trevorman> D34TH: thats what he was looking for
[21:15] <D34TH> oh
[21:15] <D34TH> also 115200bps
[21:15] <OneFix_Work> Shouldn't the next batch of rPis begin shipping soon?
[21:16] <[SLB]> and will they come out with a case this time? i think i've read somewhere that the second batch would have had it (not sure whether it was an official statement though)
[21:16] <IT_Sean> I don't think so.
[21:17] <IT_Sean> My recollection was that the case would be out in time for the Educational Release
[21:17] <Hexxeh> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200, works lovely, ta!
[21:17] <trevorman> the case is an optional extra at some point in time in the future
[21:17] <trevorman> "Not for the first batch. We?ll be making and selling cases by the summer; you?ll be able to buy a unit with or without a case, or a case on its own."
[21:17] <[SLB]> ah thanks
[21:18] <RaYmAn> I think in this context, ALL orders from the first few weeks are "first batch"
[21:18] <plugwash> They have also said at some point though that they hoped to fit a case within the $25/$35 pricepoint
[21:18] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, when i use rpi-update i get "cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled': Text file busy"
[21:18] <gurgalof> on raspbian...
[21:18] <Hexxeh> gurgalof: run /etc/init.d/stop vcfiled first
[21:18] <Hexxeh> oops
[21:18] <Hexxeh> that's wrong
[21:19] <Hexxeh> run /etc/init.d/vcfiled stop
[21:19] <Hexxeh> and then same again, but start once it's finished
[21:19] <Hexxeh> it'll be fixed in the next version
[21:19] <gurgalof> thanks!
[21:20] <Kripton> A question to Arch users: On https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DVB-S they say: "You will find the dvb-utils package under the name linuxtv-dvb-apps in the Community-Repo." But: "error: target not found: linuxtv-dvb-apps". Can it be that it doesn't exist for arm?
[21:22] <Kripton> right, found it. guessed right
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[21:28] <aditsu_with_pi> trevorman: I think I found another link: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/01/26/raspberry-pi-modders-dream-machine/4
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[21:28] <aditsu_with_pi> trevorman: see "The limitation of overclocking is not thermal dissipation, like you would have in a desktop machine"
[21:28] * plugwash finds that fairly unlikely
[21:29] <aditsu_with_pi> "the limitation here is chip lifetime"
[21:29] <trevorman> ehhh
[21:29] <plugwash> usually the limit of overclocking is propogation delays. You can decrease propogation delays by cranking up the voltage
[21:29] <plugwash> but cranking up the voltage means more heat to get rid of
[21:29] <plugwash> (and shorter lifetime ofc)
[21:30] <aditsu_with_pi> Eben Upton's words
[21:31] <simonlc> honestly it's fun to OC it, but I don't see any real benifit to doing so
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm running my Pi ar 900MHz & 500MHz sdram...
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[21:31] <plugwash> aditsu_with_pi, so what? the foundation aren't infallible, they proved that with their crappy power arrangements
[21:31] * Delboy__ is now known as Delboy_
[21:32] <aditsu_with_pi> plugwash: power arrangements?
[21:32] <plugwash> If you want to build a reliable system you CAN'T assume that a phone charger will give you exactly 5V and you CAN'T assume that the volt drop of a 100ma polyswitch is negligable
[21:32] <Kripton> like when you feed in 5V at the USB _outputs_: The Power-LED lights up but the device does not boot :)
[21:33] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/gqz6ah.jpg
[21:33] <simonlc> that case is pretty nice
[21:33] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, don't know much about that, I have no problems powering my Pi
[21:33] <plugwash> aditsu_with_pi, then you have been lucky
[21:34] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: looks "spartan", but not bad :)
[21:34] <plugwash> It seems the foundation were also lucky in their internal testing
[21:35] <plugwash> then the Pi was released into the wild and the crappy power circuit started causing problems for users
[21:35] <simonlc> haha someone put an rpi in a gen 1 ipod
[21:36] <Kripton> simonlc, that is nice. picture?
[21:36] <aditsu_with_pi> I put my Pi in a hole puncher box
[21:36] <simonlc> wat
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[21:39] <Kripton> DVB-S working :D
[21:40] <haltdef> :o
[21:40] <aditsu_with_pi> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/292132_10150757094463021_548488020_9444131_1725315306_n.jpg
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[21:41] <trevorman> aditsu_with_pi: huh. thats not actually too bad of a case
[21:41] <aditsu_with_pi> thanks :) it happened to fit really well
[21:41] <simonlc> is that a trading card case?
[21:42] <IT_Sean> it needs a red LED somewhere, but... not bad.
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, my device boots when I feed it via a USB output...
[21:42] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, mine not :(
[21:42] <aditsu_with_pi> simonlc: no, it's from a small hole puncher
[21:42] <markus> what's the worst case you have ever seen? (complete change of subject btw)
[21:42] <simonlc> oh
[21:42] <Kripton> would save me one cable
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> but it doesn't fully boot - something spikes the power after the kernel has initialises and it reboots...
[21:42] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, yikes. maybe USB-host reset?
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> so the screen comes up, it prints lots of messages and reboots.
[21:42] <trevorman> why are you feeding power into the USB socket?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, I think it's something sucking over 500ma very briefly as it initialises - and IIRC that's the limit of the usb polyfuse
[21:43] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, might as well be, yes
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, not deliberately, but I found that out be accident - my powered hub gives power down the up-link.
[21:44] <aditsu_with_pi> markus: I think some lego cases are hideous
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> if I unplug the power connector and leave the up-link connected it keeps on going...
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[21:44] <gordonDrogon> so now I unplug the power connector going into the hub.
[21:46] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, mine does power off then. But the LED stays on
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[21:47] <swiley> anyone using one of these for bitcoin minning?
[21:48] <swiley> just wondering
[21:48] <Kripton> are you serious? with OpenCL?
[21:48] <IT_Sean> wow.
[21:48] <mjr> unknown, but it would be rather ... ineffective
[21:48] <Kripton> you'd pay more for the power you draw than you gain with the bitcoins
[21:48] <swiley> yes seriously I don't think you'd get very far though
[21:48] <aditsu_with_pi> haha, bitcoin..
[21:49] <IT_Sean> isn't bitcoining a bit of a joke, anyway?
[21:49] <swiley> technically it's very cool. The social and economic stuff is a different story...
[21:49] * plugwash wouldn't describe bitcoin as a joke exactly, on the contrary it's very interesting to watch
[21:49] <DaQatz> The concept of bitcoins is sound. Sadly they attracted to many shady types.
[21:49] <plugwash> whether i'd want to get involved is another matter
[21:49] <DaQatz> I would not use pi's for mining though.
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[21:50] <DaQatz> That IS a joke.
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[21:50] <plugwash> what I'm wondering is if and when governments will try to clamp down on bitcoin
[21:50] <aditsu_with_pi> it's not sound, but the real world fiat currency is just as unsound
[21:50] <plugwash> and if so how much sucess they will have
[21:50] <DaQatz> They could make mighty fine BTC wallets though
[21:50] <swiley> Daqatz: that's a good point
[21:51] <DaQatz> aditsu_with_pi, I said the concept is sound.
[21:51] <DaQatz> Not they they were
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[21:51] <swiley> do they even have opencl support? I know they have shader support, but I wasn't even thinking when I asked
[21:51] <aditsu_with_pi> DaQatz: yes and I disagreed
[21:51] <DaQatz> Ah
[21:52] <aditsu_with_pi> but I agree it's pretty much as sound as the US dollar
[21:52] <DaQatz> Would be an interesting debate there. But this is neither the time not palce for it.
[21:52] <DaQatz> place*
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[21:52] <DaQatz> ?
[21:53] <DaQatz> That didn't look like a quit message.
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[21:54] <DaQatz> Does freenode not add the "Quit: " to quit messages? Or was Sean just klined?
[21:54] <aditsu_with_pi> maybe he was k-lined
[21:54] <aditsu_with_pi> who knows what he's been up to!
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[21:56] <aditsu_with_pi> heh, the HDMI plug looks like a smiley: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/04/raspberry-pi-review/raspberrypi-hdmi-614x250.jpg
[21:57] <aditsu_with_pi> (I think that's a beta board)
[21:57] <aditsu_with_pi> the plug looks a little bit different on mine
[21:57] <mjr> that's just beggin for a male plug to be inserted
[21:57] <plugwash> The impresison i'm getting is that many parts on the Pi are multiple-sourced
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[21:57] <plugwash> so the exact part used can vary from unit to unit
[21:58] <aditsu_with_pi> oh, we should compare and record then
[21:58] <aditsu_with_pi> make a database
[21:58] <simonlc> omg, you know what it would fit perfectly in? a guitar pedal box
[21:59] <trevorman> aditsu_with_pi: looks like the release board to me
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[22:00] <trevorman> aditsu_with_pi: hmm yeah nvm. ignore me!
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[22:00] <aditsu_with_pi> oh, the bigger image seems to have a yellow tv plug
[22:00] <aditsu_with_pi> http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/04/raspberry-pi-review/raspberrypi-hdmi-1280x1024.jpg
[22:01] <Hexxeh> that's not a beta board
[22:01] <Viperfang> mine has a yellow rca
[22:01] <Hexxeh> definitely a general release board
[22:01] <aditsu_with_pi> ok, that means plugs are different
[22:01] <Hexxeh> first 2k batch, too
[22:01] <plugwash> I've also seen reports of different brands of ethernet jack
[22:02] <trevorman> hanrun on mine
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> possibly different ethernet sockets due to the factor scrabbling about to get the right ones!!!
[22:02] <Viperfang> hanrun here
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[22:02] <Hexxeh> this should spawn a root shell on serial, right? agetty /dev/ttyAMA0 115200 --autologin root
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> after their cock-up...
[22:02] <Hexxeh> i'm not geting anything at all via my serial connection
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[22:02] <trevorman> Hexxeh: TX and RX the right way around?
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[22:03] <Hexxeh> yup. i can see the kernel log output, just can't ge ta shell
[22:03] <Hexxeh> *get a shell
[22:03] <trevorman> ah
[22:03] <trevorman> hrm
[22:03] <plugwash> hmm, where did you get the ttyAMA0 device name from?
[22:04] <Hexxeh> kernel cmdline
[22:04] <Hexxeh> console=ttyAMA0,115200
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[22:04] <plugwash> ok just checking, I dunno what name the Pi actually uses for the serial device, I was just querying it
[22:04] <aditsu_with_pi> the arch image has ttyAMA0 mentioned in inittab
[22:05] <Hexxeh> aditsu_with_pi: can you copy and paste that line?
[22:06] <Kripton> Hexxeh, "c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -8 -s 115200 ttyAMA0"
[22:06] <aditsu_with_pi> Hexxeh: c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -8 -s 115200 ttyAMA0
[22:06] <aditsu_with_pi> sorry, a bit slow to mount it
[22:07] <Hexxeh> nada :/
[22:07] * plugwash is fighting with libav and friends for raspbian
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[22:09] <mkopack> Speaking of Raspbian, anything I can do to help with that? Need another pi to help with compiles?
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[22:10] <_av500_> plugwash: fight what?
[22:10] <Hexxeh> mkopack: afaik they're not setup to handle that
[22:10] <Hexxeh> mirrors are wanted though
[22:11] <trevorman> Hexxeh: not sure how relevant this is but http://www.irrational.net/2012/04/19/using-the-raspberry-pis-serial-port/
[22:12] <plugwash> _av500_, oh the usual, dependency loops, stuff coming out contaminated with armv7 code that sort of thing
[22:12] <_av500_> plugwash: in libav?
[22:12] <_av500_> --arch=arm --cpu=arm1176jzf-s
[22:12] <_av500_> -arch armv6'
[22:12] <plugwash> no libav itself is behaving ok on the contamination front and i've beaten libx264 into shape too
[22:13] <_av500_> ok
[22:13] <_av500_> http://fate.libav.org/armv6-apple-darwin-gcc-4.2/20120515195959
[22:13] <plugwash> the main issue is very long buid times each time I realise stuff is screwing up
[22:13] <trevorman> Hexxeh: the console part you should be able to keep. but take out the kgdboc part as kgdb might be whats doing it.
[22:13] <_av500_> sadly the only v6 target so far is an iphone :)
[22:13] <_av500_> once I get a pi I will add a armv6 target
[22:13] <_av500_> at least use it for something
[22:13] <D34TH> i wonder if tinycore would work on rpi
[22:14] <aditsu_with_pi> if it was built for ARM, it would probably make a great distro for Pi
[22:14] <plugwash> libav is an overnight build and I realised today that I built it against an old libx264 by mistake
[22:15] <TopherBrink> tinycore would be a very fine distro
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[22:17] <Hexxeh> eeeeek, tempting... http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/4124/motorola-atrix---laptop-dock--sim-free-unlocked--black--
[22:18] <_av500_> plugwash: there are cross compilers
[22:18] <_av500_> and libav builds cross just fine
[22:18] <_av500_> just like x264
[22:18] <astom> does anyone know if the board leds can but turned off?
[22:18] <_av500_> pry them off
[22:19] <astom> pry?
[22:19] <_av500_> with a tire iron
[22:19] <IT_Sean> You can desolder them
[22:19] <_av500_> or that
[22:19] <IT_Sean> but, i do not believe you can disable them in soffware
[22:19] <astom> I know, but I dont want to permanently do that
[22:19] <IT_Sean> got electrical tape?
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> you can turn the OK LED off.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> or a bit of clay?
[22:19] <astom> IT_Sean: I was afraid so
[22:20] <aditsu_with_pi> you can turn off 3 of them by unplugging the network cable
[22:20] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: you can?
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> however, accessing the SD card will turn it back on again.
[22:20] <astom> the ducking tape solution
[22:20] <IT_Sean> But... that's the LED that makes everything OK@
[22:20] <trevorman> asherkin_: no. you can't disable them all.
[22:20] <astom> haha
[22:20] <plugwash> _av500_, there are but while there have been attempts to add cross compiling support my undestanding is that cross building debian packages is not very well supported and it's a potential source of problems that we would like to avoid
[22:20] <IT_Sean> !
[22:20] <trevorman> uhh
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> Yes - you can set it to be an input too to turn it fully off :)
[22:20] <trevorman> astom: no. you can't disable them all.
[22:20] <astom> thanks
[22:20] <_av500_> plugwash: to each his own
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> The Ethernet 3 are controlled by the chip, and the power LED is, well, power.
[22:21] <astom> what exaclty does the OK led mean?
[22:21] <trevorman> astom: covering them up is your best option
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> its used as the hard-disk access LED.
[22:21] <astom> trevorman: Im afraid so
[22:21] <IT_Sean> astom: it means that everything is okay.
[22:21] <astom> oohh so if the pi is headless and I halt it via ssh
[22:21] <astom> I have to wait for the green light?
[22:21] <Simon-> no
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> no - I wish it did turn it off when halted.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure it's an easy patch in hte kernel though.
[22:22] <astom> It doesnt
[22:22] <trevorman> the OK LED is just a GPIO. no idea what actually controls it.
[22:22] <astom> trevorman: good question
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[22:22] <Holden> talking about leds... isn't the label '10M' wrong? I think that led lights up yellow when the network is going at 100Mbps
[22:22] <plugwash> IIRC the OK led is linked to SD card access
[22:22] <Simon-> it's customizeable
[22:22] <plugwash> probablly controlled by the SD card driver
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[22:22] <astom> maybe...
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> I think the intention is that it's SD access.
[22:23] <Simon-> plugwash: no
[22:23] <aditsu_with_pi> Holden: I heard it changes color at 10M
[22:23] <Simon-> the kernel is doing the SD activity LED part
[22:23] * IT_Sean thought it indicated that all is right with the universe. Or was that only on the beta board?
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> Yes, it flickers when I access the SD.
[22:23] <Simon-> the LED itself can be made to do whatever you want
[22:23] <Holden> aditsu_with_pi, well, from the schematics it wouldn't seem so, but I might be wrong
[22:23] <astom> Simon so it could be turned off when the system is halted
[22:23] <Simon-> astom: yes
[22:24] <simonlc> Hello fellow Simon.
[22:24] <astom> no idea who mantains the raspi kernel
[22:24] <trevorman> the schematic says that LED is the 100M LED
[22:24] <Holden> exactly
[22:24] <Holden> and it has only 2 pins
[22:24] <Holden> so i don't think it can change color...
[22:24] <Simon-> how about blinking when halted? it can't actually halt
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I can plug in a 10Mb hub and see what colout it goes...
[22:24] <astom> it cant
[22:24] <Holden> gordonDrogon, please do if it's not too much troubles for you, I'm curious
[22:24] <Simon-> you can do this yourself btw
[22:25] <Simon-> just set the OK led to on after umount+sync
[22:25] <astom> Holden: I will do it
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> ok - hang on a tick. gotta find the old hub first!
[22:25] <astom> no need to use a hub
[22:25] <astom> since im connected to my netbook
[22:25] <Simon-> you can set it to on using the sysfs interface
[22:25] <Holden> astom, thanks
[22:25] <astom> ip link ...
[22:25] <Kripton> D34TH, tinycore is x86 and x86_64 only
[22:25] <D34TH> damn
[22:25] <Simon-> astom: make a suggestion to whoever is coming up with custom distributions
[22:26] <Simon-> astom: that's the best place for it, not in the kernel
[22:26] <D34TH> well it was a cool idea
[22:26] <astom> Simon: okay
[22:26] <Simon-> the halt code of the kernel is really a busy loop
[22:26] <trevorman> according to the LAN9512 datasheet, the LED is on if its 100M or its still doing autonegotiation
[22:26] <trevorman> LED off = 10M or unplugged
[22:26] <Simon-> there are 5 LEDs.
[22:27] <astom> trevorman: you were faster...
[22:27] <astom> haha
[22:27] <trevorman> the 10M one
[22:27] <Kripton> but I agree, the system has its advantages
[22:27] <astom> mine is always on green
[22:27] <Simon-> it's not labelled wrong, it's the 10M indicator
[22:27] <astom> **orange
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> ok. I now hav ea Pi connected to a 10Mb hub.
[22:27] <Holden> trevorman, well, so I think the label is wrong indeed...
[22:27] <trevorman> Holden: well it does indicate 10M when its off :)
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> 10M - Off, Lkn - ON, Fdx - Off
[22:28] <Holden> trevorman, lol
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> So the 10M LED is mis-labeled and ought to be 100M
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[22:29] <Holden> gordonDrogon, yes, thanks for testing
[22:29] <Simon-> "ON"?
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> surprised my old hub still works - 8 cat-5 ports and BNC :)
[22:29] <Simon-> is it not green?
[22:29] <plugwash> Simon-, yeah
[22:29] <plugwash> the power light is permanently wired to the power so you can't control it in any way
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[22:30] <aditsu_with_pi> it's labeled 10M because 10 Chinese Mb = 100 rest-of-the-world Mb :)
[22:30] <trevorman> hrm
[22:31] <trevorman> looks like the only LED that you can't actually have program control over is the power one
[22:31] <_av500_> remove power then :)
[22:31] <trevorman> the LAN9512 datasheet says that the LED pins can be used as GPIOs as well
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[22:31] <astom> trevorman: I did the same
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[22:31] <astom> ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex full
[22:31] <aditsu_with_pi> gordonDrogon: haha I remember those
[22:31] <astom> the light turns off
[22:31] <trevorman> doesn't that change the speed though
[22:32] <astom> yes, it goes to 10mbps
[22:32] <aditsu_with_pi> you had to use a terminator or the data would spill out :p
[22:32] <astom> which data?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> aditsu_with_pi, yes, I have a T piece on it with 2 terminators!
[22:32] <aditsu_with_pi> network data
[22:32] <xbmc> hey, sb knows how to get xbmc working on archlinuxarm? isn't in the official repos.. :( / any precompiled packaged or how to compile it myself?
[22:32] <trevorman> it should be possible to actually turn the LEDs off without affecting the ethernet connection
[22:33] <trevorman> xbmc: openelec is kind of available for the RPi if you just want XBMC itself
[22:33] <trevorman> if you want the rest of Arch then I've no idea
[22:33] <plugwash> trevorman, but I bet it will involve kernel modifications
[22:33] <trevorman> plugwash: probably. the existing driver might do it already. not looked.
[22:34] <aditsu_with_pi> xbmc: you can try to compile it with abs
[22:34] <astom> im afraid we dont have enough ram to do so
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> root@raspbian:/# mii-tool
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> eth0: no autonegotiation, 10baseT-HD, link ok
[22:35] <xbmc> hm, openelec sounds cool, but wonder wether I could still play around with my pi then. Will try :)
[22:36] <astom> gordonDrogon: did it turn off?
[22:36] <trevorman> compiling xbmc on the rpi would be painful and take an exceptionally long time
[22:36] <xbmc> yeah compiling would be done on a more powerful PC
[22:36] <xbmc> but I'm not that experienced with compiling, so dont know which options I'd need..
[22:36] <aditsu_with_pi> you can use distcc, but anyway I don't know how big xbmc is
[22:37] <astom> I tried using distcc last time
[22:37] <astom> there are good instructions here: http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
[22:38] <Kripton> Yay! x11-libs/qt-gui just finished. fALSO, it's not weeks: Global build time: 9 hours, 32 minutes and 51 seconds
[22:38] <xbmc> thx
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[22:41] <sharktamer> Got my rpi today :)
[22:41] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[22:41] <sharktamer> Seems the openelec build isn't meant to be used with dd?
[22:41] <astom> sharktamer: congrats... where are you from?
[22:41] <sharktamer> London
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Also, do you tame sharks?
[22:42] <trevorman> sharktamer: uh. you mean the SYSTEM and KERNEL files?
[22:42] <sharktamer> I guess
[22:42] <xbmc> hm, where to get the openelec build?
[22:42] <sharktamer> I found it here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5620
[22:43] <trevorman> sharktamer: yeah. you need to prep the SD card and put the system and kernel.img into the FAT32 partition
[22:43] <trevorman> sharktamer: http://elinux.org/RPi_building_and_installing_OpenELEC#Install_instructions
[22:44] <sharktamer> Why fat32?
[22:44] <xbmc> thx
[22:44] <trevorman> its what the SoC bootloader understands
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[22:44] <sharktamer> Also, I'm actually on windows atm
[22:45] <sharktamer> The kernel file doesn't seem to be an .img
[22:45] <sharktamer> Just KERNEL
[22:45] <trevorman> you need to rename it
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[22:45] <sharktamer> OK
[22:45] <trevorman> kernel.img and system
[22:45] <trevorman> if you just want a big SD image to write then look at the comments on sharktamer: look at the comments in http://openelec.tv/news/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2
[22:46] <trevorman> somebody has made one and has a torrent. not tried it myself
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[22:47] <sharktamer> When I use the image, do I even need to format the SD?
[22:47] <trevorman> no
[22:48] <sharktamer> Cool
[22:48] <sharktamer> I've just gotta hope my SD card reader is even working...
[22:48] <astom> sharktamer: why shouldnt it?
[22:48] <acfrazier> anyone get a firm ship date yet?
[22:48] <astom> sharktamer: try the Arch image
[22:49] <astom> you wont regret it
[22:49] <sharktamer> I was thinking of using arch, but openelec seems to work nicer
[22:49] <sharktamer> from what I've heard
[22:50] <sharktamer> unless you can convince me otherwise?
[22:50] <sharktamer> and I mean work nicer with xbmc
[22:50] <astom> sharktamer: I can't tell. Arch has a lot of advantages though
[22:50] <trevorman> openelec is just xbmc
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[22:50] <astom> sharktamer: is you want xbmc, go for epenelec
[22:51] <sharktamer> Would openelec come with a python install?
[22:51] <sharktamer> and a package manager?
[22:51] <sharktamer> since I'm going to want to put sickbeard and sabnzb on it
[22:51] <trevorman> uhh. not sure it'd be a good idea to do that. the RPi really doesn't have much RAM when you're running XBMC
[22:51] <sharktamer> I'll try arch first actually
[22:51] <astom> sharktamer: I don't know it but it wasnt made to be usable apart from xbmc
[22:52] <astom> try arch
[22:52] <trevorman> just XBMC by itself uses 90MB on my RPi out of the 128MB available
[22:52] <astom> and do pacman -Syu
[22:52] <sharktamer> I've used arch before on my PC
[22:52] <aditsu_with_pi> acfrazier: yes, 4 May
[22:52] <astom> sharktamer: I still use it
[22:52] <sraue> sharktamer, openelec includes python, and has xbmc addons to install SAB and sickbeard (but not yet for RPi)
[22:52] <IT_Sean> trevorman: you are running xbmc on the Pi? How it is, performance wise, when playing a 1080p video?
[22:52] <sharktamer> I've been meaning to install it again for a while
[22:52] <sharktamer> sraue I see
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[22:53] <astom> bye ppl
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[22:53] <trevorman> IT_Sean: works fine. its all HW decoded so its smooth. doing other stuff however can be laggy when it has to hit the CPU like running any of the addons which are python based
[22:53] <IT_Sean> Awesome.
[22:53] <IT_Sean> thanks for the info. :)
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[22:53] <trevorman> np
[22:53] <sharktamer> trevorman: do the skins all work nicely?
[22:54] <acfrazier> yeah mine says 16 Aug 12 still and I ordered on Feb 29
[22:54] <sharktamer> I'll be throwing Alaska on
[22:54] <acfrazier> first thing >.>
[22:54] <trevorman> no idea. only using the built in one.
[22:54] <trevorman> i'd expect it to be okay though
[22:54] <aditsu_with_pi> acfrazier: from whom?
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[22:56] <xbmc> trevorman: so youre using openelec ?
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[22:56] <trevorman> yeah
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[23:20] <Hexxeh> got my serial console working
[23:21] <Hexxeh> turns out i was running agetty on the wrong pi...
[23:21] <plugwash> LOL
[23:21] <haltdef> smrt
[23:21] <Hexxeh> derpy, i know :)
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[23:22] <trevorman> lol
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[23:25] * PiBot sets mode +v aergus
[23:29] * koda (~vittorio@host52-207-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:29] * PiBot sets mode +v koda
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[23:31] * PiBot sets mode +v kcj
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> zzz
[23:36] * def0 (~pi@cpc4-chwo8-2-0-cust622.19-1.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[23:37] * jgarrett (~jgarrett@216.30.179.54) Quit (Quit: jgarrett)
[23:37] * thauta__ (thauta@shell.jkry.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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[23:38] * PiBot sets mode +v thauta_
[23:40] * IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:40] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[23:44] * Hopsy (~Hopsy@unaffiliated/hopsy) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:48] * aergus (~aergus@46.155.6.200) Quit (Quit: aergus)
[23:51] * unknownbliss (~unknownbl@phpbb/website/Unknown-Bliss) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[23:51] * roivas (~roivas@97-83-108-164.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:51] * PiBot sets mode +v roivas
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[23:51] * PiBot sets mode +v aergus
[23:52] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-177-229.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[23:52] * unknownbliss (~unknownbl@phpbb/website/Unknown-Bliss) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:52] * PiBot sets mode +v unknownbliss
[23:53] * gerrynjr (~gerrynjr@gentoo/user/gerrynjr) Quit (Quit: Bye!)
[23:54] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-177-229.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:54] * PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory
[23:57] * rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-iccpizokppwzafff) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
[23:57] * chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

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