#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-05-16

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[0:00] * spangles (~spangles@host217-42-137-154.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:16] <sharktamer> The arch image doesn't seem to have the iwconfig command?
[0:16] * iccanobif (iccanobif@host107-135-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()
[0:17] <sharktamer> lsusb shows a wlan0 device (the wireless usb adaptor I bought)
[0:17] <sharktamer> but I don't see it in iwconfig or ifconfig
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[0:17] <sharktamer> I'm definitely a bit rusty...
[0:17] <sharktamer> so I'm probably missing something
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[0:18] <D34TH> have you tried rebooting?
[0:18] <D34TH> or dmesg?
[0:19] <sharktamer> dmesg doesn't show much
[0:19] <D34TH> :(
[0:19] <sharktamer> It mentions the wlan adaptor
[0:19] <Viperfang> Have you seen if a module has been loaded for it in lsmod?
[0:20] <Viperfang> dmesg should show you smething
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[0:20] <sharktamer> Oh, I'll check lsmod once it reboots
[0:20] <sharktamer> I thought it was meant to boot a lot quicker
[0:20] <sharktamer> there's probably something amiss here
[0:20] <sharktamer> although I don't see how that's possible actually
[0:21] <sharktamer> udev seems to take a while
[0:21] <D34TH> have you attempted overclocking?
[0:22] <sharktamer> Why would I?
[0:22] <D34TH> just asking
[0:23] <sharktamer> lsmod is showing modules
[0:23] <sharktamer> modules loaded by the wlan
[0:24] <sharktamer> Is there a package I have to get for wireless?
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[0:25] * DaMummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Happy Now?)
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[0:26] <sharktamer> I don't see any packages that would suggest I have wireless tools in pacman -Q
[0:26] <D34TH> i wonder if they have a usb to sd adapter
[0:27] <D34TH> most likely not
[0:27] <simonlc> found a bunch of materials for case making
[0:27] <simonlc> and this: http://i.imgur.com/5O8wO.jpg
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[0:29] <D34TH> lol
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[0:34] <D34TH> weird
[0:34] <D34TH> this rpi emulator isnt booting up
[0:34] <D34TH> hmm
[0:34] <D34TH> the -k is borked
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[0:36] * TopherBrink (~GeorgeWBu@host86-137-52-18.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[0:37] <D34TH> this qemu is pretty handy now ive got it working
[0:37] <D34TH> now only if i had a different frot for it
[0:37] <haltdef> only used it for chrooting myself
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[0:41] <D34TH> first operation of fresh install: apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && reboot
[0:41] <D34TH> whats the first thing you guys do on a fresh install?
[0:42] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
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[0:45] <hamitron> enable sshd
[0:46] <D34TH> lolnice
[0:47] <hamitron> create my user too
[0:47] <hamitron> :)
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[1:16] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)
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[1:17] <WASDx> http://mindplusplus.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/the-raspberry-pi-my-first-hardware-experiment/
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[1:18] <DaQatz> Was go read it, but started play audio the moment the site came up.
[1:18] <DaQatz> Not going back to the site.
[1:19] <WASDx> water-cooling sure didn't produce the expected results
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[1:28] <ext3_nfs> WASDx: what an idiot blog post...
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[1:28] <ext3_nfs> DaQatz: dont waste your time reading that shitty
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[1:30] <WASDx> I enjoyed it. It was linked by the (official I think) raspberry pi page on facebook
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[1:34] <Nemo7> sooo when can a new customer expect a raspberrypi right now? :)
[1:34] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[1:34] <Ben64> 2020
[1:35] <IT_Sean> No way to say.
[1:35] * wry is now known as trollry
[1:35] <plugwash> there hasn't been any official info for a while but "sometime this summer" is probablly in the ballpark
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[1:45] <trollry> One can hope.
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[2:06] <SStrife> Good morning :)
[2:06] <IT_Sean> Good evening
[2:07] * IT_Sean will be right back
[2:07] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
[2:08] <SStrife> is anyone running the raspbian v3 image?
[2:08] <Hexxeh> me
[2:08] <SStrife> i should home that you were! :)
[2:08] <SStrife> i'm getting an error message
[2:08] <Hexxeh> heh :P
[2:09] <SStrife> Controller never released inhibit bits
[2:09] <Hexxeh> that's the kernel thing
[2:09] <SStrife> ah
[2:09] <SStrife> it doesn't seem to be affecting anything
[2:09] <Hexxeh> *that's a
[2:09] <Hexxeh> rpi-update is bundled in that image
[2:09] <Hexxeh> run it every few days, it'll go away eventually (i hope)
[2:09] <SStrife> ok
[2:09] <SStrife> i'll give it a go
[2:09] <SStrife> thanks
[2:10] <SStrife> i'm compiling directfb
[2:10] <SStrife> so I can try some SDL apps
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[2:11] <SStrife> it doesn't seem to be in the repository yet
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[2:20] <trollry> Isn't it the "raspository?"
[2:20] * trollry is now known as wry
[2:20] <D34TH> heh
[2:21] <D34TH> "seed packet"\
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[2:21] <IT_Sean> ?
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[2:23] <SStrife> hahaha
[2:23] <SStrife> raspository
[2:23] <SStrife> i like it
[2:24] <passstab> lol
[2:25] <mpthompson> Raspository? Yipes! That sounds like something you shove up your nether regions...
[2:25] <DaQatz> Hey now, they are healthy and clean out your system.
[2:27] <SStrife> LOL
[2:27] <SStrife> like breath freshener, but, not for your breath
[2:28] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:33] <mpthompson> Attach this to your Raspberry Pi and you can go places no man has been before: http://dx.com/300k-pixel-usb-inspection-tube-snake-camera-borescope-33295
[2:33] <mpthompson> That would be a Raspository...
[2:34] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
[2:34] <SStrife> hehehe
[2:35] <passstab> wait isn't IT_Sean one of those whiny ops?
[2:35] <IT_Sean> No, he isn't
[2:35] <IT_Sean> He is not "whiny"
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[2:38] <passstab> ah i must be mixing you with the others
[2:38] <passstab> sorry
[2:39] <IT_Sean> Quite alright. It's a common error.
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[2:44] * IT_Sean yawns
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[2:59] <Syliss> ugh
[2:59] <Syliss> rs needs to send me an email saying shipped
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[3:05] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, how do i compile quake3 on the pi properly?
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[3:05] <gurgalof> cat gives a lots of errors about some .d files...
[3:07] <SStrife> Syliss: I didn't get an email saying 'shipped'
[3:08] <SStrife> i received the code, placed the order
[3:08] <SStrife> then nothing
[3:08] <SStrife> then parcel arrived :S
[3:08] <Syliss> how long ago?
[3:08] <SStrife> I've had mine since Friday
[3:08] <Syliss> when did you order?
[3:08] <SStrife> the previous friday
[3:08] <SStrife> but i'm in Australia
[3:08] <SStrife> if you're in EU somewhere, it should be quicker
[3:09] <Syliss> im in usa
[3:09] <Syliss> i got my code friday
[3:10] <Syliss> was only $43usd shipped
[3:10] <Syliss> tis my bday gift to myself
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[3:30] <DaQatz> !channel
[3:30] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
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[3:51] <SStrife> How does one get inivited to raspberrypi-owners ?
[3:52] <gurgalof> i own a pi, so i should get invited...
[3:52] <SStrife> likewise.
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[4:30] <oldtopman> SStrife: "/knock #raspberrypi-owners I own one, here's a pic of it with my username <link>. Can I come in?"
[4:30] <oldtopman> Try that a few times and someone should get back to you.
[4:31] <SStrife> s'ok, i got in thanks :)
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[4:47] <oldtopman> SStrife: What's in there :3
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[4:53] <trevorman> #raspberrypi-owners is "The ever fun channel to taunt those with no pi's."
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[4:54] * Tachyon` pokes trevorman in the eye
[4:54] <trevorman> O.-
[5:00] * ext3_nfs laughing :P
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[5:11] <SStrife> What's in there? 5 members, and a lot of silence. :)
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[5:13] <SStrife_> oh, i got disconnected, now i'm not in the raspberrypi-owners room :-/
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[5:14] <wasmith> my pi arrives later this week ^.^
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[5:25] <SStrife> awesome
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[5:26] <wasmith> after waiting ageeeeees
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[5:32] <chnopsx> nice wasmith
[5:32] <chnopsx> I need to buy a charger for mine
[5:33] <chnopsx> I can use my phones but I want a separate one so I can just have it always-on
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[5:46] <jardiamj> my router is pretty far away from my room, and I got tired to be moving my tv and cables close to it when I wanted to try my RPi
[5:47] <jardiamj> I just found out that it's very easy to share the connection from my laptop that has wifi though the ethernet port
[5:47] <jardiamj> *through
[5:48] <jardiamj> with my fruitcake!!
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[6:07] <simonlc> reading the raspi forums is very discouraging.
[6:07] <fabrice1> why?
[6:08] <simonlc> there's so many people with false ideas of the computer's capabilities
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[6:09] <simonlc> like using it as 'a portable game server'
[6:09] <SStrife> haha
[6:09] <SStrife> oh dear
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[6:11] <jardiamj> the fruitcake doesn't like my cheap keyboard
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[6:11] <trevorman> jardiamj: "stuck" keys?
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[6:12] <jardiamj> no, when I plug the keyboard it doesn't finish loading..
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[6:13] <trevorman> oh. try plugging it in before starting it. hotplug seems weird sometimes
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[6:14] <trevorman> my RPi has crashed a couple times when plugging in a keyboard. not sure why.
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[6:14] <SStrife> could be your power supply too
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[6:16] <jardiamj> well it works with another keyboard, I borrowed one from my neighbor and it works just fine with it...
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[6:16] <jardiamj> it might know that my keyboard is a cheap one... haha
[6:17] <SStrife> lol
[6:17] <SStrife> does your cheap keyboard have a builtin hub:?
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[6:18] <jardiamj> no, it doesn't
[6:19] <jardiamj> it's just a keyboard
[6:19] <jardiamj> a plain keyboard, no fancy buttons, nothing else...
[6:21] <des2> Does it have a windows key ?
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[6:40] <mpthompson> simonlc, I saw your post from about an hour ago being discouraged by what people think the Raspberry Pi can do.
[6:41] <mpthompson> I wouldn't be too discouraged. Surely, some will be dissapointed. However, I've had an NSLU2 (aka Slug) for about five years now running Debian and you would be amazed what motivated people have done with Slugs.
[6:43] <mpthompson> It only has no graphics, a 200MHz Arm processor and 32 MB of memory. Seeing what people can do with the Slug I have high hopes for what people will do with a MUCH more powerful and much cheaper Raspberry Pi.
[6:43] <jardiamj> I like the automated greenhouse idea somebody posted in the forums...
[6:44] <mpthompson> Pi's will be used to automate a LOT of things. It's hardware isn't quite versatile as the Arduino, but the CPU is 50x more powerful which will make a lot of things impossible with the Arduino possible with the Pi.
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[6:50] <FireSlash> Does anyone actually have raspis in stock right now? D:
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[6:53] <FireSlash> Looks like no, and there's a queue, and the next batch is already completely presold
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[7:07] <bbeattie> what's the point of the raspberrypi-owners channel?
[7:08] <DaQatz> Not very much.
[7:08] <DaQatz> Just an uncensored room for rpi owners.
[7:08] <bbeattie> k, I got my pi yesterday and have been playing with it, I'm surprised this channel is quiet so I was curious if the chat was there instead
[7:08] <jzaw> esp at 6am bst ... you expect ppl to be up at this time? ;P
[7:08] <FireSlash> The original idea was probably to separate user questions from the flood of interested parties
[7:09] <bbeattie> how do you get an invite to that channel?
[7:09] <FireSlash> It's only 10pm PST. :v
[7:09] <des2> FireSlash they are sold out til around July if you aren't already in the Queue.
[7:09] <mpthompson> Things usually go pretty quite at about this time each night -- 10pm PST for me as well.
[7:10] <mpthompson> I think most people who have Pis (mostly in the UK) are still asleep or just waking up.
[7:10] <FireSlash> des2, That sucks. I'm not doing any rocket science here but I I need something a bit beefier than an arduino for the audio and video ends of this project
[7:10] <des2> This time is too later for the US and too early for europe
[7:11] <FireSlash> The duino is doing the rest, just needs something dumb to listen for audio and video events over serial
[7:11] <bbeattie> Biggest thing I've noticed so far is my class 4 8gb SD card is painfully slow when installing packages and doing :w in vim at times.
[7:11] <mpthompson> The Aussies start getting home from work about now and are pretty active.
[7:11] <shirro> soon all the yanks go to bed and the aussies come out of hiding to talk to the europeans about metric and health care and stuff
[7:11] <shirro> you aren't missing anything
[7:11] <FireSlash> I could use a beagleboard but it's hilariously expensive compared to the pi and won't get me anything more in this
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[7:12] <des2> What do you mean by listen for audio and video events ?
[7:12] <shirro> beagleboard does seem overpriced
[7:12] <FireSlash> In its defense they're using a higher end proc. I don't know the part cost but it could be offsetting the difference
[7:12] <mpthompson> I can't wait for an RPi clone to appear on DealExtreme.com. When that happens we'll know the Raspberry Pi has arrived.
[7:12] <bbeattie> has there been any updates on when audio may be supported by the debian image?
[7:12] <FireSlash> The A8s are still used in modern mobile phones. the pi's using a more dated ARM11
[7:13] <shirro> bbeattie: when someone who understands alsa fixes the drivers
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[7:13] <shirro> bbeattie: omx works great though. so if you can use or port something that uses openmax you are laughing
[7:14] <FireSlash> Does OSS work?
[7:14] <bbeattie> just looking for mpg123 like support for mp3's, ... and asterisk
[7:14] <SStrife> bbeattie: it does work, but you have to sudo modprobe the driver
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[7:14] <SStrife> not sure what the module name is off the top of my head
[7:14] <SStrife> but it works a treat
[7:14] <bbeattie> sstrife; I'll look into that, I noticed there were only 3 kernel modules loaded by default..
[7:15] <SStrife> yeah, pretty lean.
[7:15] <shirro> snd_bcm<something>
[7:15] <SStrife> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[7:15] <bbeattie> K, I'll find it, thanks. I did a locate (after adding the package) for alsa and didn't notice alsa on the OS image,
[7:15] <bbeattie> no alsamixer or nothing?
[7:16] <shirro> SStrife: I though alsa was still a bit unstable depending on the program used. eg mplayer
[7:16] <SStrife> yeah, it's very timing sensitive too
[7:16] <SStrife> but i successfully played DOSBox and ScummVM games using only that sudo modprobe command above
[7:16] <SStrife> the sound starts chopping if the on-screen action gets too much tho
[7:17] <SStrife> those are both SDL apps
[7:17] <shirro> bbeattie: you will want to install alsa-util
[7:17] <bbeattie> I'm in the states so about ready to head to bed and my pi is unplugged for the night, I'll give this all a check tomorrow, but I really need a faster SD card...
[7:17] <shirro> I mean alsa-utils (on debian anyway)
[7:17] <bbeattie> *nods*
[7:18] <bbeattie> I did get the pololu drivers (they use mono) all build and compiled so I can control a pololu usb motor controller from the r-pi, and my rfid reader is working as well so there's two things working for my project.
[7:19] <SStrife> sweet
[7:19] <SStrife> so many possibilities
[7:19] <SStrife> an RFID tag secured, motor-actuated deadbolt for your front door!
[7:20] <bbeattie> *nods* By the end of summer I hope to have about 10 G scale locomotives with r-pi's in them and a fully automated railroad using RFID tags under the track.
[7:20] <SStrife> niiice
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[7:26] <des2> The Rfid tag door opener thing has been done on the Arduino.
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[7:28] <des2> Buy a $4.35 TI llow-power aunch pad to do it even: http://www.newark.com/texas-instruments/msp-exp430g2/msp430-launchpad-value-line-development/dp/77R3863
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[7:42] <mpthompson> Is anyone aware of the approach being taken to add hardware acceleration to the X server? Is to to layer the X server over OpenGL ES similar to how the defunct Xgl server layered an X server over OpenGL APIs to get 2D hardware acceleration?
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[7:44] <mpthompson> Too bad that approach was abandoned and not extended to OpenGL ES. It would have made getting hardware acceleration on the RPi trivial.
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[8:09] <shirro> mpthompson: teh_orph is the only one i have seen publicly talk about X accel plans. Would like to know more as well
[8:10] <shirro> I built the glamor extension on Raspbian but it looked like a LOT of work to write a driver to use it.
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[8:12] <shirro> mpthompson: did you play much with X on the imx53 before you turned them into a build farm?
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[8:17] <kwixson> I have questions. :) Like, how do I grow the partition for rootfs on this SD card?
[8:18] <shirro> Do you have a linux desktop?
[8:18] <kwixson> Just got my RasPi today and kicking the tires.
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[8:18] <kwixson> shirro: Do you mean another computer besides the RasPi?
[8:18] <shirro> If you have a linux desktop you can resize the partition with gparted. If not perhaps let us know what sort of OS do you have
[8:19] <shirro> kwixson: yes
[8:19] <kwixson> I have everything, so yes... Ubuntu on a NetBoot.
[8:19] <shirro> resizing a root while it is mounted is probably not a good idea
[8:19] <kwixson> *netbook
[8:20] <shirro> use sudo gparted, find the sdcard, resize the partition and apply
[8:21] <Vostok> I resized the partition by making a bootable gparted usb stick.
[8:21] <Vostok> Went really easy
[8:21] <kwixson> Ok. On a video where the issue was mentioned they seemed to be saying they did it somehow on the RasPi itself and it took a while.
[8:22] <Vostok> kwixson: just go for the livecd usb, you can do it on any machine
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[8:23] <kwixson> I'll use the netbook. It already has a SD card slot.
[8:23] <Vostok> ah, in case you use a ubuntu laptop the livecd is hardly necessary. :)
[8:23] <mpthompson> shirro, I didn't play around with X at all on the iMX53.
[8:23] <Vostok> i did it on a windows desktop
[8:23] <kwixson> I don't need to save any unallocated space do I?
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[8:24] <shirro> mpthompson: ok. because running gtkperf against xvfb is over 4 times faster on the imx53 than a Raspberry Pi
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[8:24] <mpthompson> shirro, I'm kinda surprised that X over OpenGL ES was not a solved problem.
[8:24] <kwixson> There was 1 MiB between boot and rootfs and Linux-swap
[8:26] <mpthompson> I wonder if a possible approach would be to resurrected the Xgl project and ported it from OpenGL to OpenGL ES. Certainly not trivial, but at least a direction to head.
[8:26] <shirro> mpthompson: since gtkperf isn't doing javascript or network or dom manipulation, and still uses 50%-70% of cpu to X 50%-30%. Even if X was instant I don't think acceleration is going to be a miracle cure.
[8:26] <mpthompson> I don't know anything about gtkperf, but I think I understand what you are saying.
[8:27] <mpthompson> Does the iMX53 use hardware acceleration on their driver for X on Ubuntu? That wasn't clear to me.
[8:27] <shirro> imx does by default. but is slows some things down. gtkperf runs slightly faster with it off
[8:28] <mpthompson> Depending on it's nature, 2D acceleration can give really good speed increases. Try running any Windows GUI on non-accelerated hardware. Very painful.
[8:29] <shirro> using xvfb as a target which just renders to memory removes any difference due to bpp, resolution etc. with that the Pi starts off at 1/4 the speed of the imx53. That is why X sucks so much.
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[8:29] <jardiamj> what's the difference between soft float and hard float?
[8:30] <mpthompson> I tend to think of X acceleration suing the GPU to fill rectangles and draw lines -- things that are ridiculous for the CPU to do.
[8:30] <mpthompson> suing = using
[8:31] <shirro> jardiamj: can mean two different things depending on context. real hardware floating point vs emulation or a different c calling ABI. In terms of distros hardfloat usually refers to the ABI - hardfloat being incompatible with softfloat
[8:31] <mpthompson> jardiamj: hard float is using the CPU to execute floating point operations, soft float is the CPU emulating floating point operations through a sequence of integer operations.
[8:32] <jardiamj> so hard float should be faster, shouldn't it?
[8:32] <jardiamj> is that the whole point of raspbian, is there another advantage?
[8:32] <shirro> mpthompson: the imx uses a freescale 2d library to do the accel I think. I imagine it is just blitting blocks of memory about. It is only an advantage for large rectanges though.
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[8:32] <mpthompson> Yes, for floating point operations hard float can be 5x to 20x faster or more.
[8:33] <mpthompson> A number of advantages. Hard float, and hard float abi are the two most significant. The other is all the Debian packages recompiled for armv6 instructions, but that is probably only good for a few percent increase in speed.
[8:34] <jardiamj> ok, I just wasn't getting the point of the raspbian thing...
[8:34] <shirro> jardiamj: for me the main point of raspbian is that it is a current debian and that it is optimised - so there is no need to waste days trying to get another 1% messing around with something like Arch. The performance difference is fairly small though. You will get much bigger gains by overclocking except for weird floating point heavy things
[8:34] <jardiamj> because I don't really know the differences...
[8:34] <mpthompson> Another aspect of Raspian is that it brings the full Debian library system under the control of the Raspberry Pi community. Without it being directly tied to Debian, we can take it in any direction we want.
[8:35] <shirro> jardiamj: also ownership - it might be a seed of something
[8:35] <mpthompson> It just so happens that for now, Raspian = Debian. In the future it could mean Raspbian = Debian + other stuff.
[8:36] <jardiamj> I understand, and will that be like the Debian way of having and Stable, Testing, Unstable and Experimental release?
[8:36] <mpthompson> Perhaps, time will tell. It certainly makes other things a little more possible. We don't have to petition Debian to do something special for the Raspberry Pi.
[8:36] <jardiamj> or will it be more like Arch?
[8:36] <mpthompson> Well, it's not that elaberate.
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[8:37] <mpthompson> For now, Raspbian is equal to Debian Testing. This was primarily to piggy-back off of the work done on Debian armhf -- a port that doesn't exist under Debian stable. Only Debian testing.
[8:37] <mpthompson> More like Arch in what way?
[8:38] <jardiamj> what kernel does it have?
[8:39] <shirro> jardiamj: which ever you want. build yourself or use the rpf one
[8:39] <jardiamj> I'm looking for info in the Raspbian.org site, but there is not much info there yet
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[8:39] <shirro> mpthompson: any thought been given to an installer for raspbian?
[8:40] <shirro> the current state of the debian image is horrible. There is so much rubbish on there and no obvious way for new users to customise
[8:40] <mpthompson> No, there isn't much information there yet. Right now the whole port consists of the work of two people. We haven't had spare time to put much on the Wiki given we are still doing a lot of work just getting all 34000 binary packages built.
[8:41] <mpthompson> Shirro. Indeed. Look at my latest posting in the Raspbian forum thread.
[8:42] <mpthompson> When you say the state of the current debian image is horrible, do you mean Raspbian? That should be very minimal.
[8:43] <shirro> No raspbian is great variant=minbase baby!
[8:43] <shirro> No, the cruft on the default image is really sad. Lots of extra accounts. ssh key issues. really slow boot. not what I would do at all
[8:44] <mpthompson> I'll get to working on an installer eventually, but it would be a great opportunity for someone else to jump in now and make it happen. I think we have everything needed to build it, except for the kernel packages which wold also need to be built.
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[8:45] <shirro> Thinking not so much of an installer - but something just a bit beyond minbase with config menus for localisation, accounts etc on first boot
[8:45] <mpthompson> Well, it's pretty trivial to do a debootstrap within the Debian armel image and start over. Just need to bring the proprietary libraries over.
[8:45] <shirro> some stuff really needs to be installed though. like ssh
[8:46] <mpthompson> Well, that is basically the installer. It really needs to be done as it is the best place to start with. I'm not a fan of images other than you have to start somewhere.
[8:46] <jardiamj> mpthompson, I haven't done anything like and installer before, but if you give some keywords to google I could get into it..
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[8:47] <shirro> mpthompson: the speed of the Pi is what puts me off an installer. I would rather have an easy configuration then let people add packages. I guess there is room for more than one approach
[8:48] <mpthompson> jardiamj, read my second to last posting in this thread. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4256&start=400 There are links to get started with the various projects I suggest.
[8:49] <mpthompson> Well, I think images will not ever go away. To easy to get started that way on the Pi. I am perfectly comfortable myself using the Debian installer on systems much slower than the Raspberry Pi.
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[8:50] <jardiamj> Thanks mpthompson... I'll get my eyes on it now..
[8:51] <mpthompson> Distributions like Linux Mint dispense with any installer. They use a live-cd or live-dvd which can be installed on a PC. Things are much easier with a simple SD card image. Burn it and go.
[8:51] <mpthompson> jardiamj, you are welcome. Keep in touch...
[8:52] <jardiamj> sure... I'll be around as time permits..
[8:52] <mpthompson> Still, I think an installer is still a good base to start from. It factors in chosing a timezone, locale, basic packages, etc. in a standardized way.
[8:53] <mpthompson> I hate getting an images from the UK as the damn # key and @ key in some mystery location which prevents me from editing files. Can't they just use 'merican keyboards?
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[8:54] <shirro> mpthompson: I will have a look around. I am thinking of something more like Ubuntu desktop. We control the hardware effectively so I think we can aim for Mac-like integration and do something pretty
[8:54] <mpthompson> Ooops, for got the ;-).
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[8:55] <shirro> debian like installer is good for headless/server types like ubuntu-server. edu and windows users probably would prefer something like ubuntu live cd style installer
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[8:55] <shirro> mpthompson: are you reading #raspbian?
[8:55] <mpthompson> You could port the Ubuntu installer. From my understanding it's built over apt-get or aptitude which comes from Debian. Just have it use the Raspbian package lists.
[8:56] <mpthompson> Oops.
[8:56] <mpthompson> I am now.
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[9:15] <des2> This is all a nightmare
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> daymare here...
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[9:30] <Cheery> hi ppl
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[9:33] <Kripton> !w
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[9:35] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html
[9:35] <rm> whoa!
[9:35] <jardiamj> wow, that post about the raspbian is long...
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[9:37] <Cheery> anyone knows what the dispman interface actually means with everything?
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[9:38] <Cheery> oh well. probably have to find it out myself.
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[9:59] <Hourd> woop just picked up my asus n-class usb wifi adapter this morning :D shall see this evening if i can get it working with the rpi ^_^
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[10:01] <Hourd> works straight away on debian on my work machine..
[10:01] <Hourd> good start
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[10:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hourd: I picked up the first Wifi adaptor I found lying around my house and plugged it in with instant results
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[10:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Think it was: http://www.sandberg.it/product/Mini-WiFi-USB-Dongle
[10:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've got a couple more I really must test, though, for the greater good
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[10:05] <Hourd> i have never had 'hastle free' usb wifi under linux before
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[10:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hourd: Just depends on the chipsets, some are much less fiddley than others??? for the most part I've only ever tinkered under arm-linux though
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[10:10] <Hourd> i'm pretty new to arm
[10:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> likewise, but it's an architecture rife with devices everyone wants to get wifi working on
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[10:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Most of my wifi wrangling was on the OpenPandora, with a slightly underpowered USB port??? all sorts of fun
[10:12] <hotwings> linux wifi is horrid
[10:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> hotwings: nothing horrid about typing your wifi password into a plaintext wpa-supplicant config file on the Pi, surely? :D
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[10:14] <hotwings> yup, and after you do that, you pray the driver doesnt crash ;\
[10:14] <hotwings> or just stop working
[10:15] <hotwings> for no apparent reason
[10:15] <bjorn`> Hey, that's the charm
[10:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Was pretty stable for me yesterday using the adaptor I found lying around and downloading movie files to try in omxplayer
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[10:18] <hotwings> Gadgetoid_mbp - with that kind of luck you should be buying lottery tickets!
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The one thing that irks me is that wifi devices never seem to have the chipset expressed clearly anywhere
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[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> hotwings: judging by the wider picture of my luck lately, I think I'd die from papercuts if I bought just one lottery ticket
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[10:26] <Veryevil> How do i find out more information on a program that seg faults
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[10:29] <Kripton> Veryevil, using gdb
[10:30] <Veryevil> do i need any particular args?
[10:30] <Kripton> Veryevil, normally, you do "gdb PROGRAMNAME" then "run ARGUMENTS". and when it segfaults, you do "bt"
[10:31] <Veryevil> ok. Im on Raspbian and have just got midori but it keeps Seg faulting
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[10:34] <Kripton> sry, network troubles
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[10:35] <Veryevil> damn smsc95xx driver!
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[10:36] <Kripton> Veryevil, hm? did that cause a segfault?
[10:36] <Veryevil> pi locked up while i was trying to get seg fault
[10:37] <Veryevil> had to power cycle
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[10:37] <Kripton> Veryevil, latest kernel?
[10:38] <Veryevil> yeah have done rpi-update
[10:38] <Veryevil> got seg fault
[10:38] <Veryevil> not very useful so far gonna do bt
[10:39] <Veryevil> go backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[10:39] <Veryevil> bt gave
[10:39] <Veryevil> #0 0x00000015c in ?? ()
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[10:40] <Veryevil> #1 0x47ecfb8c in ?? ()
[10:40] <Veryevil> #2 0x47ecfb8c in ?? ()
[10:40] <Veryevil> then the error
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[10:42] <Veryevil> any ideas?
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[10:45] <Kripton> Veryevil, indeed not very useful. Can you compile the segfaulting program with "-g" in CFLAGS and not strip it?
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[10:47] <Veryevil> I havent tried to build anything on the pi yet and midori is a large build
[10:47] <stamen> just ordered a 64GB thumbdrive
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[10:49] <Kripton> Veryevil, so you downloaded it from somewhere and it segfaults? Ask the author?
[10:50] <stamen> use distcc and a lot of pi's
[10:50] <stamen> shouldnt be accessing memory that doesnt belong to it
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[10:50] <Veryevil> i got it using apt-get install midori from the raspbian archive e.g. the new hard floating point distro
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[10:51] <Kripton> "the new hard floating point distro".... ;) I'm using Gentoo hardfp here
[10:51] <stamen> heh
[10:51] <Kripton> Veryevil, well then ask the raspian-authors
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[10:52] <Veryevil> what browsers do you have?
[10:52] <Kripton> on the pi? none yet
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[10:52] <stamen> elinks
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[11:15] <Kripton> stamen, why use distcc with a lot of pi's? you can also distcc with a desktop-pc running a cross-compiler
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[11:17] <DaQatz> Yeah distcc + crosscompiler Seems like the best option imo
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[11:46] <Veryevil> Kripton: I recompiled it with debug and have a better back trace
[11:47] <Kripton> Sounds good
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[11:49] <Veryevil> pastebin http://pastebin.com/myKie0uQ
[11:50] <fALSO> gtk now uses javascript ?
[11:50] <fALSO> LOL
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[11:54] <Veryevil> any ideas what I can do to fix this?
[11:54] <Orb> no idea.
[11:54] <Orb> jk, i just got here. :P
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[11:57] <Kripton> Veryevil, nope. I don't know gtk-internals at all and the last line with the corrupted stack irritates me.
[11:57] <Kripton> Veryevil, and that the first line of the backtrace is empty
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[11:59] <Veryevil> yeah I dont know how to get that as I used apt-get source midori then did ./configure -d full (full debug) then make
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[12:44] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: you were the one with the midori crash, right?
[12:46] <Veryevil> yeah
[12:47] <Veryevil> its a problem with gtkjava
[12:47] <Hexxeh> got the stacktrace?
[12:47] <Veryevil> got the back track
[12:47] <Veryevil> its on the forum
[12:48] <Hexxeh> no, i mean, get the crash again
[12:48] <Hexxeh> then type bt
[12:48] <Veryevil> thats what i got
[12:48] <Hexxeh> then type x/5i $pc
[12:48] <Veryevil> I ment back trace
[12:48] <Veryevil> ok give me asecond to fire up the pi
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[12:49] <xranby> Veryevil: is mindori using java?
[12:50] <xranby> i will take a look
[12:50] <Hexxeh> javascriptcore
[12:50] <xranby> ah.. ok
[12:50] <Veryevil> libjavascriptcoregtk
[12:51] <xranby> then its a bit outside my expertise
[12:52] <Veryevil> just getting libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0-dbg and libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg
[12:52] <Veryevil> then will gdb it
[12:52] <Hexxeh> ok
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[12:53] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: did you get my recommendation for adding ntpdate to your rpi-update
[12:53] <Hexxeh> yeah
[12:53] <Hexxeh> i'm not so sure
[12:53] <Veryevil> also what is the vc thing thats running?
[12:53] <Hexxeh> we could run it if it was installed already i guess
[12:53] <Hexxeh> vcfiled?
[12:54] <Veryevil> yeah whats that do?
[12:54] <Hexxeh> it's a service that gives the videocore access to the filesystem to load codecs apparently
[12:54] <Hexxeh> it's not actually used yet, though
[12:55] <Veryevil> ok
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[12:55] <friggle> Hexxeh: well, it was used in early builds but now it's not
[12:55] <Veryevil> cannot get libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbg as it wants 1.162 mb of free space!
[12:55] <Veryevil> will try with what ive got
[12:55] <Hexxeh> friggle: right
[12:56] <Hexxeh> friggle: @asbradbury mentioned that there's a few people working on solutions to accelerated X, any idea what the other ones are other than teh_orph's EXA based driver?
[12:57] <friggle> Hexxeh: (I'm asbradbury on twitter). Regarding graphics accel, solutions in the works are 1) enable GLES backends for qt/gtk etc for use within X and use eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM for multi-process compositing
[12:57] * Hexxeh did not know that.
[12:57] <Hexxeh> apologies... :P
[12:57] <friggle> Hexxeh: 2) support wayland, again using eglCreateglobalImageBRCM. Someone from Nokia has started working on this with the qtwayland compositor
[12:58] <Veryevil> hexxeh: I have ran x/5i $pc and get cannot access memory at address 0x0
[12:58] <friggle> Hexxeh: 3) support directfb. Haven't heard much from those guys recently though
[12:58] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: pastebin the stacktrace again, but keep gdb open
[12:59] <Hexxeh> friggle: what does the first one mean, exactly? is it going to require modification to existing applications to take advantage of the acceleration?
[12:59] <friggle> Hexxeh: I haven't looked at teh_orph's work. How is he getting on?
[12:59] <Hexxeh> pretty well apparently
[12:59] <Veryevil> its the same as before will get it from the forum
[12:59] <friggle> Hexxeh: no, they should "just work" provided Cairo or Qt are built with the GLES backends enabled
[12:59] <friggle> of course apps that don't go through that rendering path won't be accelerated
[12:59] <Veryevil> http://pastebin.com/QPYUv14i
[13:00] <friggle> Veryevil: yeah, midori is very crashy for me in armel wheezy too. Haven't investigated yet
[13:00] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: x/5i 0x4a947828
[13:00] <Hexxeh> friggle: sadly, that includes chrome :(
[13:01] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, but the work they do to interface cairo/qt etc may make it obvious how to modify chrome's rendering path in a simlar way
[13:01] <Veryevil> hexxeh: hang on its not the same that address doesn't appear in this one. the top unknow call is 0x00000000
[13:02] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: use the address below then
[13:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: that's true
[13:02] <friggle> Hexxeh: skia has a gles backend?
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[13:02] <Hexxeh> i think it's looking like modifying chrome might be the only way of getting it running
[13:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: i'm not sure if it's skia, but chrome certainly does
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[13:03] <Veryevil> ok i used the address from the JSC::JSValue::get call
[13:03] <Hexxeh> friggle: teh_orph mentioned the idea of an EGL wrapper, does that seem feasible?
[13:04] <friggle> Hexxeh: yes, any of the solutions I mentioned would likely require one because you'd want a different egl native window type
[13:04] <teh_orph> yo yo
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[13:04] <Hexxeh> speak of the devil... :P
[13:05] <friggle> teh_orph: hi, was just about to ping you. I haven't been following your work, where have you got to?
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[13:05] <friggle> teh_orph: and what is your plan?
[13:05] <teh_orph> I reckon supporting X window EGL rendering would be minor
[13:05] <teh_orph> it would be far more convenient to get the source for libEGL to make the change
[13:05] <friggle> teh_orph: yeah...
[13:05] <teh_orph> but I they haven't given that out get for the pi
[13:06] <friggle> teh_orph: I can certainly bring it up again
[13:07] <teh_orph> IIRC eglGetDisplay only supports offscreen render targets and full screen
[13:07] <teh_orph> (I'm not super savvy with EGL tbh)
[13:07] <teh_orph> but on normal targets you can point it to an X window
[13:07] <Hexxeh> since chrome runs fullscreen does it's own windowing, i'd have thought adding the BCM stuff was simple, but i'm really not getting it... :P
[13:07] <teh_orph> so I reckon in a wrapper, redirect it to an offscreen render target then a bit of glReadPixels
[13:08] <teh_orph> send dem pixels to X
[13:08] <teh_orph> oh and add that bcm stuff
[13:08] <friggle> teh_orph: that's one way that would work...but not ideal in terms of performance
[13:08] <teh_orph> oh of course
[13:08] <friggle> teh_orph: so, care to give me a rundown of your EXA work so far?
[13:08] <Hexxeh> didn't somebody write a basic guide on how to BCM-ify an existing EGL-using app?
[13:08] <friggle> teh_orph: do you have a Pi?
[13:08] <teh_orph> yep, got mine last week
[13:09] <friggle> Hexxeh: maybe. It's pretty trivial
[13:09] <Hexxeh> i know i need to add bcm_host_init
[13:09] <teh_orph> if EGL was to be done properly (and no glReadPixels etc)
[13:09] <Hexxeh> but i think it's a bit more complex since chrome uses multiple processes for rendering
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[13:09] <teh_orph> then having a kernel drm module would be the way forward
[13:09] <Hexxeh> then we could have KMS? :P
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[13:10] <teh_orph> but...as the binary blob does all the memory management the drm module would be useless
[13:10] <Hexxeh> ah.
[13:10] <teh_orph> so I'm waiting for them to open up the memory allocation a bit
[13:10] <friggle> teh_orph: what do you need?
[13:11] <friggle> teh_orph: are you aware of eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM?
[13:11] <teh_orph> Dom was talking about removing the artificial split and using a different scheme (checks email)
[13:11] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: new pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Ds1QdFkf
[13:11] <teh_orph> 'CMA'
[13:11] <teh_orph> for contiguous memory allocation
[13:11] <friggle> yeah, I've heard that's the preferred route. Getting away from this fixed split with different start.elf would certainly be nice
[13:11] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: can't see anything out of the ordinary sadly
[13:12] <teh_orph> being able to interroperate with the GL memory manager would be great
[13:12] <teh_orph> but at the moment I have to allocate contiguous memory via the kernel (from the ARM part of the split), and then pass it to user processes
[13:12] <teh_orph> not ideal
[13:13] <friggle> teh_orph: so, have you had anything working? Are you using the DMA engines? What are you doing for alpha blending?
[13:13] <teh_orph> DMA is fo defs the way forward
[13:13] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: anything else you want me to try while i have it open still
[13:13] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: i think it's going to be a no-go in wheezy for a while, sorry
[13:13] <teh_orph> the GL ES stuff appears to have too much overhead
[13:14] <zgreg> teh_orph: I read about your efforts on the forums, what's the state of the driver?
[13:14] <teh_orph> getting there
[13:14] <friggle> teh_orph: yeah, having clients render directly to a gles buffer might be fine, but implementing X commands in terms of GLES is unlikely to work very well
[13:14] <zgreg> GL ES too much overhead? well you have to batch stuff...
[13:14] <teh_orph> of course
[13:14] <teh_orph> however switching render targets seems to invoke a full GPU flush
[13:15] <teh_orph> and X composition involves lots of different render targets
[13:15] <teh_orph> (everything is parallel - which should be good!)
[13:15] <friggle> teh_orph: I believe we were planning on using eglFlushBRCM to avoid requiring a glFlush/glFinish
[13:15] <zgreg> the VC4 is a tiled deferred renderer, so that makes sense
[13:15] <teh_orph> apparently this wasn't the function we were looking for :S
[13:15] <Hexxeh> can someone sum up what the changes to an EGL-using app involve? bcm_host_init once per process? then there's the dispmanx bit I'm not clear on
[13:16] <teh_orph> this EGL thing is only a side-thought, so I'm not clued up on the details
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[13:16] <zgreg> teh_orph: so what are you accelerating? just solid fills and blits with the DMA engine?
[13:16] <Hexxeh> i think all the relevant stuff in chrome is isolated to two files
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[13:16] <teh_orph> the thinking would be that each EGL/X process would use bcm init()
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[13:17] <teh_orph> since it'd be to an offscreen render target there's no need for dispmanx
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[13:17] <teh_orph> all composition would be done with X
[13:17] <Hexxeh> i think this function is called once per process, so it'd be appropriate to put bcm_host_init here? http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/ui/gl/gl_surface_egl.cc&exact_package=chromium&q=eglCreateWindowSurface&type=cs&l=183
[13:17] <teh_orph> who knows :)
[13:17] <friggle> teh_orph: we can do alpha compositing on the GPU, but the latency is likely too high. Apparently a large portion of a modern X workload is alpha compositing
[13:18] <teh_orph> does that function init the state for the blob, or is it a per-process thing?
[13:18] <Hexxeh> what happens if you call bcm_host_init more than once per process?
[13:18] <teh_orph> no idea!
[13:18] <friggle> per process I believe
[13:18] <teh_orph> friggle: you're right, alpha is a big deal
[13:18] <Hexxeh> @friggle really
[13:18] <Hexxeh> yeah, it is per process
[13:18] <teh_orph> friggle: BUT: many of the things getting alpha'd are very small
[13:19] <Hexxeh> i remember dom(?) saying that
[13:19] <teh_orph> (text, in partiticular)
[13:19] <friggle> teh_orph: indeed, so unless it all gets batched it's no good getting it done very quickly on the GPU
[13:19] <teh_orph> there's another problem
[13:19] <friggle> teh_orph: have you had a look at any cairo-perf-trace type stuff?
[13:20] <teh_orph> all the GPUs I've worked with (inc tile-based renderers) support linear (in memory) render targets and textures
[13:20] <teh_orph> with this GL ES lib they won't let you point your render target at existing memory
[13:21] <teh_orph> you have to upload your destination image, swizzle it, render to it, download it agagin
[13:21] <teh_orph> even if you're only changing one byte
[13:21] <teh_orph> surely they support linear render targets??
[13:22] <friggle> teh_orph: want to message me your email address? I'll forward you some relevant conversations and can put you in touch with some people who are either looking at similar things to you, or offered to give advice
[13:22] <friggle> teh_orph: probably worth asking Dom
[13:22] <teh_orph> how do I send a PM (irc noob here!)
[13:23] <Hexxeh> /query username
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[13:23] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: what client?
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> but generally that
[13:23] <teh_orph> the web one
[13:23] <Veryevil> what we need is teh_orph to sign an NDA get the source from Rpi and then he can do it properly
[13:24] <teh_orph> probably would conflict with my job :)
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[13:25] <Veryevil> whats your job?
[13:25] <Hexxeh> anyone willing to help me add the BCM stuff to chrome if i send you a pi once it works? :P
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[13:36] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: isn't it just a matter of throwing together a couple of ebuilds?
[13:36] <Hexxeh> no
[13:36] <Hexxeh> that bit is already done
[13:37] <Hexxeh> it's the BCM-specific EGL stuff i need to add into chrome
[13:37] <RaYmAn> ah
[13:37] * RaYmAn curses at vendor-specific EGL requirements
[13:38] <friggle> RaYmAn: to be fair, it's more the case that EGL only actually standardises a few things :)
[13:38] <Hexxeh> usually i'd just try various things until it worked
[13:38] <Hexxeh> but with compiles taking hours, that's not really a viable option...
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[13:46] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: so you need to actually change code? :/
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[13:46] <Hexxeh> sadly, yes
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[13:57] <friggle> new blog post http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1228
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[14:07] <zgreg> yesterday RS invited me to place an order
[14:07] <zgreg> better late than never, eh?
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[14:08] <IT_Sean> Lots of people are still waiting for invites. You are not the last one.
[14:08] <Hexxeh> anyone with the hello_triangle example around willing to test something for me?
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[14:11] <trevorman> zgreg: if theregister is accurate then there is a 300,000 backlog (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/16/75000_pis_by_august/)
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[14:13] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: I could try something with hello_triange
[14:13] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: okay, great, can you go to the line that says bcm
[14:13] <Hexxeh> oops, hit enter by accident
[14:13] <DaQatz> That's a lot of pi
[14:13] <Veryevil> give me one sec to fire up
[14:13] <Hexxeh> go to the bcm_host_init() line, and then duplicate that line, so that there are two of them
[14:13] <Hexxeh> and then compile and run the resulting program
[14:13] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: yes. that is, indeed, a LOT of pi
[14:15] <Veryevil> it wont compile without mods on Raspbian
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[14:16] <Hexxeh> will it not?
[14:16] <Veryevil> well sorry it compiles but wont run
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[14:16] <Hexxeh> last time i tested, it did
[14:16] <Hexxeh> any error?
[14:16] <Veryevil> get error in triangle.c:167
[14:16] <Hexxeh> full message?
[14:16] <gregd> did u forget ';' (semicolon) at the end? ;)
[14:17] <Veryevil> init_ogl: Assertion `state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)` failed
[14:17] <gregd> or running on too little GPU ram
[14:17] <Hexxeh> that might well be it
[14:17] <Veryevil> I just went to dir and did make then ./hello_triangle
[14:17] <Hexxeh> run "rpi-update 128"
[14:17] <Hexxeh> and then reboot
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[14:20] <Veryevil> it runs now
[14:20] <Veryevil> gonna mod it and recompile
[14:21] <Veryevil> hexxeh: still runs
[14:21] <Hexxeh> okay, that's good, thanks
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[14:22] <Veryevil> doesnt run with 10 times the init lol
[14:23] <pjm> hi all, is there a simple how-to for reading / writing the GPIO on board the rpi ?
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[14:24] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Doesnt run with 5 inits either
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[14:25] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: what happens then?
[14:25] <Veryevil> just sits at the command line
[14:25] <Veryevil> it writes the new line and sits with a flashing cursor on the next line after command
[14:26] <Veryevil> 3 works
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[14:28] <Veryevil> 4 is throwing the same assertion line
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[14:30] <Vanadis> oh hai
[14:31] <IT_Sean> hello
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[14:37] <gregd> this would indicate that bcm_init allocates all the memory...
[14:38] <gregd> being on 128 GPU memory you can allocate 3 time the memory
[14:38] <gregd> when u were on 32 GPU you could not do it even once
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[14:39] <Veryevil> but how does it know how much memory to allocate to it?
[14:40] <gregd> good question... no idea.. my guess would be that it allocates the minimum required which will be possibly 32mb ... this of might be increased on demand?
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[14:57] <Matt> morning
[14:57] <ironzorg> afternoon
[14:58] <tntexplosivesltd> good night
[14:58] <IT_Sean> morning
[15:00] <Kripton> afternoon
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[15:10] <Hexxeh> first stab: http://pastebin.com/mr5p8174
[15:11] <Veryevil> you compiled it?
[15:12] <Hexxeh> it's compiling now
[15:13] <Hexxeh> had somebody in #chromium have a read over to check it looks sane
[15:13] <Hexxeh> it's very slow testing though, since a build takes well over an hour
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[15:13] <Hexxeh> maybe 3 hours for a debug build
[15:13] <Veryevil> can you not cross compile it?
[15:14] <Hexxeh> that is cross compiling...
[15:14] <Hexxeh> chromium is a beast.
[15:14] <Hexxeh> modern browsers are in general, really.
[15:14] <Veryevil> on what sort of a machine
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[15:15] <Veryevil> oh this is jut the browser? i thought you were doing ChromeOS
[15:15] <gobby> Chromium takes me about 15 minutes to compile
[15:16] <gobby> i7-2630QM
[15:16] <Hexxeh> from scratch?
[15:16] <gobby> yep
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[15:17] <Hexxeh> i'm building on my desktop, core i7 950 iirc
[15:17] <gobby> That's with the source & compiling on tmpfs too
[15:17] <Hexxeh> Core i7 870, even, 2.93ghz
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[15:19] <Veryevil> Why such a difference? Gobby what Tool-chain are you using?
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[15:20] <gobby> Just a standard Gentoo build
[15:21] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: can I just confirm you are trying to compile the chrome web browser but with OpenGL ES Hardware acceleration
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[15:21] <Hexxeh> gobby: that's not cross-compiling though, is it?
[15:21] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: i'm compiling it with the broadcom specific dispmanx stuff in
[15:22] <gobby> Hexxeh: That is true, I've not done a cross compile for my Pi yet
[15:22] <Veryevil> and that will give you a hardware accelerated web browser, correct?
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[15:22] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: hopefully, but i doubt it'll work
[15:22] <Veryevil> will this run outside X then?
[15:23] <Hexxeh> technically still under X, because we need X for input
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[15:23] <Veryevil> if you can achieve this then I will be forever greatful! My plan for the PI all along is to use it as a kiosk mode web broswer
[15:24] <Veryevil> however current speed it way to slow to use
[15:24] <Hexxeh> i'm not hopeful, i don't know what i'm doing when it comes to EGL/broadcom-specifics
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[15:28] <JamesHarrison> Okay, odd thing here, might be power - I've got a powered USB hub, a USB keyboard/mouse receiver and a USB sound card (bus powered, 200mA requirement, behringer uca 202). Pi works fine; plug in the hub, no issues, plug in receiver, no issues, add the sound card, ethernet stops working mostly. Got a bunch of 'kevent x dropped' messages in dmesg.
[15:29] <Veryevil> I get those randomly
[15:29] <IT_Sean> How are you powering the Pi?
[15:29] <Veryevil> although mine tends to kernel panic and constantly cycle the errormessage and its locked up
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[15:30] <JamesHarrison> IT_Sean: RS-supplied wall wart
[15:31] <gregd> I've seen the event x dropped messages on many occasions on mine.. now I'm on wifi and they stopped to appear so it tells me that this is something to do with ethernet connection/driver
[15:31] <Veryevil> mine is running from a custom power supply that gives 1400ma @ 5v
[15:31] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: there's a polyfuse that trips at 1A anyway, so anything over 1A isn't going to help
[15:32] <Veryevil> yeah but its smooth as a babys bum!
[15:32] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:32] <Veryevil> im tempted to bridge the USB polyfuses
[15:32] <JamesHarrison> I'm confused by the fact the powered USB hub doesn't seen to make a difference
[15:34] <Vostok> why are the usb ports fused anyway?
[15:34] <Veryevil> you could try making a custom cable that disconnects the 5v taking only gnd d- and d+ to the hun
[15:34] <Veryevil> hub
[15:34] <Veryevil> to cause lots of problems for lots of people
[15:34] <Veryevil> that seems so far to be there biggest use
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[15:42] <Vostok> where are the polyfuses located at?
[15:43] <Veryevil> between the usb header and the 3.5mm audio jack
[15:43] <Veryevil> the two large green comps
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[15:47] <dmsuse> k i give in
[15:47] * dmsuse logs on ebay
[15:47] <Veryevil> give in to what?
[15:47] <dmsuse> waiting for a pi
[15:48] <Veryevil> are you a developer or user?
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[15:48] <beardface> anyone in st. louis MO want to have a prusa build weekend?
[15:48] <beardface> I have another friend interested, and I'll build another
[15:49] <zag2> Anyone installed Xibo on raspberry pi yet? could be a good digital signage solution
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[15:51] <dmsuse> user
[15:51] <dmsuse> prusa?
[15:52] <Veryevil> dmsuse: as a user I would suggest you hold off for a little longer
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[15:53] <Veryevil> until there is more work done on audio and graphics drivers and some more reliable ethernet drivers come out (or power issues fixed) I would hold off
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[15:54] <zag2> im just installing xibo now for a test
[15:55] <astom> people this is fun
[15:55] <astom> I just undercloked my raspi to 400mhz
[15:55] <astom> I assume power consuming is much lower
[15:57] <hamitron> be interesting to know how much lower
[15:57] <hamitron> that is more interesting to me, than overcocking :)
[15:57] <Veryevil> I wouldnt expect that much given that he hasnt underclocked the gfx engine
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[15:58] <Veryevil> also the ethernet will be using the same amount as will the voltgae regulators
[15:58] <teh_orph> it you *under*volt do you still void your warranty?
[15:58] <astom> well, im not using the gpu so I dont think it would make a big difference
[15:58] <Veryevil> (mostly)
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[15:58] <trevorman> teh_orph: no iirc
[16:00] <hamitron> remove the gfx as much as you can
[16:00] <hamitron> \o/
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[16:01] <hamitron> I may even start reading how it all works soon, as the queue to get one can't last forever
[16:01] <trevorman> teh_orph: not actually sure you can undervolt actually
[16:01] <trevorman> the over_voltage options all start at 0
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[16:01] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: does this look sane to you? http://pastebin.com/mr5p8174
[16:01] <trevorman> ah nvm. negative -.-
[16:02] <teh_orph> what is this? ;-)
[16:02] <teh_orph> (I think I know what it is - just wanna check)(
[16:02] <Hexxeh> gl_surfac
[16:02] <Hexxeh> gl_surface_egl.cc
[16:03] <teh_orph> this is your bcm version?
[16:03] <Hexxeh> yeah
[16:03] <Hexxeh> there's also gl_context_egl.cc but i couldn't see anything that needed changing in there
[16:03] <teh_orph> is there an original I can diff against?
[16:03] <Hexxeh> sure, sec
[16:04] <Hexxeh> http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/ui/gl/gl_surface_egl.cc&exact_package=chromium&q=gl_surface_egl.cc
[16:04] <trevorman> teh_orph: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3042&start=25 "Undervoltage should not blow the OTP bit. I believe it will not harm the chip (but will causes crashes if you go too low)."
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[16:06] <teh_orph> trevorman: good to know
[16:06] <teh_orph> hexxeh: what about the EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT defines
[16:06] <teh_orph> is that no longer necessary?
[16:06] <astom> Hexxeh: thanks!
[16:06] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: i wasn't sure, i was using the triangle.c as a reference...
[16:07] <teh_orph> yeah, I think the same uses ES 1
[16:07] <teh_orph> that doesn't support shaders AFAIK
[16:07] <teh_orph> I remember reading a post by shirro about this
[16:07] <teh_orph> eg in ES 2 I'm sure there's no fixed function pipeline
[16:08] <Hexxeh> do i need any of the other defines?
[16:08] <teh_orph> which is why I was surprised by that vc sample to see fixed function vertex calls
[16:08] <teh_orph> what about the EGL_BUFFER_SIZE thing?
[16:08] * GordonH is now known as gordonDrogon2
[16:08] <teh_orph> (I've never used EGL before - so guessing here!)
[16:08] <Hexxeh> neither have I :P
[16:08] <teh_orph> what about renderable
[16:09] <teh_orph> excellent :)
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[16:09] <teh_orph> let me just get the manual
[16:09] <Hexxeh> cheers :)
[16:09] <gordonDrogon2> teh_orph, hi - are you doing something to speed up 2D stuff in the framebuffer?
[16:09] <teh_orph> yes
[16:09] <gordonDrogon2> someone mentioned it to me earlier...
[16:09] <teh_orph> that's what I'm doing first
[16:09] <gordonDrogon2> a-ha...
[16:09] <gordonDrogon2> will it affect / improve SDL?
[16:09] <teh_orph> assuming my girlfriend stops giving me grief!
[16:10] <gordonDrogon2> ;-)
[16:10] <teh_orph> let me know an SDL application you want me to use as a test
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon2> it's my basic interpreter...
[16:10] <teh_orph> although tbh I'm sure SDL does its rendering itself...? (guessing)
[16:10] <teh_orph> ah
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon2> SDL does its own rendering, but I'm led to believe that it can use a blit engine if the graphics driver has one...
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[16:11] <teh_orph> hexxeh: EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE doesn't appear in the khronos egl.h as far as I can see
[16:11] <teh_orph> is it a chrome define?
[16:12] <teh_orph> gordon are there any SDL programs I can use to test this (that aren't yours)
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[16:12] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: i don't think so
[16:12] <teh_orph> eg I can just pull in with pacman or apt-get
[16:12] <teh_orph> sorry being blind
[16:12] <Hexxeh> it's in egl.h
[16:12] <gordonDrogon2> tuxpaint
[16:12] <teh_orph> yeah it would help if I could type it correctly into google! haha
[16:12] <teh_orph> tuxpaint I'll try
[16:12] <gordonDrogon2> and I think prboom uses SDL too.
[16:13] <Hexxeh> awww crap, i left the tests use flag enabled, this is going to take ages to link now...
[16:13] <gordonDrogon2> tuxpaint is very slow under standard debian, but its usable under raspbian.
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[16:13] <teh_orph> looks like renderable is an addition in later EGLs
[16:13] <gordonDrogon2> however I've had no end of issues trying to get things to run without first running up X
[16:14] <gordonDrogon2> I can make things work via composite, but not via HDMI ):
[16:14] <teh_orph> really??
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[16:15] <teh_orph> google doesn't give me anything interesting for EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE (other than it's not in EGL 1.2)
[16:15] <teh_orph> I'd stick it in - I think it implies you can use GL ES with it
[16:16] <Hexxeh> does the rest of that code look okay?
[16:16] <Hexxeh> particularly the dispmanx stuff
[16:16] <teh_orph> hang on, still reading
[16:16] <Hexxeh> righto, sorry :P
[16:17] <teh_orph> is that c&p from the triangle demo?
[16:17] <teh_orph> cos if so it's prob correct
[16:17] <Hexxeh> yeah, but i had to change a few of the existing egl bits to use it
[16:17] <Hexxeh> ie &nativewindow
[16:17] <Hexxeh> rather than window_
[16:18] <teh_orph> yeah saw that
[16:18] <Hexxeh> i couldn't find where window_ was defined
[16:18] <teh_orph> that's what I'd have done
[16:18] <simonlc> So the site and forum have a different design, but when the raspi came out, they had the static page with that design. I'm interested in making a wp replacement them for raspi site. Who would I contact to ask about this?
[16:18] <Hexxeh> simonlc: Liz via twitter maybe?
[16:18] <simonlc> heh twitter
[16:18] <teh_orph> Hexxeh: I've having a potentially-related trouble with this dispman stuff
[16:19] <teh_orph> Xorg in 32-bits is blank, and dom suggests checking the alpha is not working for me
[16:19] <teh_orph> so if you get a black screen check that the alpha channel is not zero or in the wrong bit position
[16:19] <teh_orph> there's also the layer field to wiggle
[16:20] <Hexxeh> wiggling is probably a slow process when it takes this long to compile... :P
[16:20] <teh_orph> although...idea...
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[16:20] <teh_orph> just to check that you've got it right can you straight after you create surface_,
[16:20] <simonlc> the contact page says she's PR, not sure if she's the one to deal with this stuff, or if Eben is. He _is_ the one that migrated the forum.
[16:20] <teh_orph> paste in the code in a while(1) that does the triangle sample?
[16:20] <teh_orph> that would at least confirm that you can get *something* on the screen
[16:21] <teh_orph> don't let it leave Initialise()
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[16:21] <Hexxeh> simonlc: i get the impression Eben is much more busy and so you're best fielding questions through Liz
[16:21] <gordonDrogon2> have to say, I sort of got used to the old forums... I'm sure the new ones will grow on me..
[16:21] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: i'll try that next compile then
[16:21] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: still waiting on the compile for that code, 1 hour 40 minute mark now
[16:21] <simonlc> yeah me too, that's why I was asking here first. Alright I'll ask her then.
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[16:21] <teh_orph> but leave out the _ES2_BIT define
[16:21] <teh_orph> as the triangle sample I think was ES1
[16:22] <astom> Hexxeh: do you know why the firefox version in the arch repos is 3.6 instead of 12?
[16:22] <teh_orph> firefox won't install anyway for me
[16:22] <Hexxeh> astom: because all the arm repos are hugely out of date?
[16:22] <teh_orph> no xulrunner
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[16:22] <Hexxeh> i've thrown the alarm guys some chromium patches to build for armv6
[16:22] <simonlc> so far which pi distro has the best repos?
[16:22] <Hexxeh> not sure if they've looked at them yet though
[16:22] <astom> ohh great
[16:23] <teh_orph> another one I can't install is gnome-settings-panel
[16:23] <teh_orph> I get a 404 for a dep from the repo
[16:23] <astom> still, chromium would be a little bit heavy to run on a raspi
[16:23] <Hexxeh> if it's any use, i have a chromium os image that has chromium on it
[16:23] <fALSO> why are you guys trying to run firefox on the pi?
[16:23] <astom> Hexxeh: is the image in your page?
[16:23] <teh_orph> I really wanna get the heavy browsers running on my pi
[16:23] <fALSO> the minimum "usable" requirements for firefox
[16:23] <teh_orph> as it test window scrolling really well!
[16:24] <fALSO> ate 512mb of ram
[16:24] <fALSO> are
[16:24] <Hexxeh> http://distribution-us.hexxeh.net/archive/raspberry/2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a/ChromeOS-Raspberry-2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a.zip
[16:24] <simonlc> has anyone tried using suckless surf here?
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[16:24] <fALSO> and a Pentium 4 or newer with SSE2
[16:24] <astom> luakit is a great option
[16:24] <astom> even though I haven't used X yet in the raspi
[16:24] <fALSO> i cant even understand why would you want to run firefox with only 200mb of ram
[16:24] <Hexxeh> you'll want to edit /etc/init/openssh-server.conf to have ssh start on boot
[16:24] <fALSO> or so
[16:24] <fALSO> less even... because of X
[16:24] <Hexxeh> and maybe add a serial console getty in /etc/init/tty.conf
[16:24] <fALSO> just BECAUSE
[16:24] <fALSO> :-P
[16:25] <teh_orph> fALSO: I need it to test X features
[16:25] <fALSO> use dillo
[16:25] <fALSO> its much lighter
[16:25] <astom> does ffmpeg make approach of the gpu when transcoding videos?
[16:25] <teh_orph> no, I actually want it to tax the pi
[16:25] <fALSO> tax the pi ?
[16:25] <teh_orph> make it run slow
[16:26] <fALSO> it will be always swapping
[16:26] <teh_orph> yeah....
[16:26] <fALSO> ok!
[16:26] <astom> and swapping in the sd card is... slow
[16:26] <teh_orph> exactly!
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[16:28] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: tax the pi? try chrome with osmesa rendering :P
[16:28] <teh_orph> did you get a debug build of that in the end?
[16:28] <teh_orph> so you could step through and see how it got to the assert on context sharing?
[16:28] <Hexxeh> i ran out of memory...
[16:29] <Hexxeh> it uses THAT much memory to link
[16:29] <friggle> simonlc: no, but I've tried out xxxterm which is fairly nice
[16:29] <friggle> though horribly named
[16:29] <teh_orph> out of interest, how big is the thing it makes when there are no debug symbols?
[16:30] <friggle> it's being renamed to xombrero
[16:30] <teh_orph> lollers
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[16:30] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: about 60MB iirc
[16:30] <Hexxeh> it's about 1.2GB with debug symbols iirc
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[16:30] <teh_orph> cripes
[16:31] <teh_orph> although, you could just strip all the archives that you're not interested in - then link
[16:31] <Hexxeh> yeah, that's true
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[16:31] <Hexxeh> or run it over sshfs
[16:31] <Hexxeh> which is the recommended way iirc
[16:32] <friggle> you are using binutils-gold right?
[16:32] <Hexxeh> yeah
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[16:36] <Hexxeh> wow, amazingly my changes compiled first time.
[16:36] <Hexxeh> that's, like, never happened before...
[16:36] <fALSO> LOL
[16:36] <zag2> woot! got xibo working on the raspi :)
[16:36] <teh_orph> yeah that means it's not working right!
[16:36] <zag2> full digital signage for 30 quid
[16:36] <Hexxeh> zag2: doesn't xibo use chromium?
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[16:36] * Veryevil crosses finger that Hexxeh's build does something
[16:36] <zag2> not sure yet, just got admin installed
[16:37] <zag2> working though
[16:37] <simonlc> how fast was it friggle, compared to a normal PC?
[16:37] <Hexxeh> zag2: i'm pretty sure it does, i was working with cnxsoft on it
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[16:37] <zag2> so it wont work?
[16:37] <Hexxeh> it might, depends how old a version of chromium it pulls in
[16:37] <Hexxeh> in any case, it'll be very very slow
[16:37] <zag2> cool, will test it now
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[16:40] <Hexxeh> "Failed to initialize compositor shared context"
[16:40] <Hexxeh> damn.
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[16:40] <Veryevil> isnt that out of memoery?
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[16:40] <Veryevil> memory*
[16:40] <Veryevil> what split you using?
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[16:41] <Hexxeh> i'm using 224mb, which is a fair point, but i don't think that's the problem
[16:41] <Hexxeh> i'll switch to 19
[16:41] <Hexxeh> *192
[16:42] <teh_orph> can you at least trace it back to find out which statement the failure began at?
[16:42] <teh_orph> eg was it out of memory or did it fail to initialise something?
[16:42] <teh_orph> eg getting kicked out via an if statement?
[16:43] <Hexxeh> same error with 192MB split
[16:43] <Veryevil> try 128?
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[16:44] <Hexxeh> shouldn't need 128
[16:44] <friggle> 224 MB isn't really enough for any 3d stuff
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[16:48] <TonyMonteabag> /etc/init.d/nginx restart
[16:48] <TonyMonteabag> Restarting nginx: [emerg]: getgrnam("www-data") failed in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:1
[16:48] <TonyMonteabag> configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test failed
[16:49] <TonyMonteabag> Default nginx on debian seems broken
[16:49] <TonyMonteabag> hummm
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[16:49] <Veryevil> there is no www-data group
[16:50] <Veryevil> you need to make the new group?
[16:50] <TonyMonteabag> Why does it install it with that config then
[16:50] <teh_orph> gordonDrogon2: tuxpaint is the bomb! I just had a go
[16:51] <zag2> yeh i had the no www-group problem when installing apache
[16:51] <zag2> "ww-data"
[16:51] <zag2> www*
[16:51] <gordonDrogon2> the bomb? Er... :)
[16:52] <teh_orph> well it's no photoshop...
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[16:52] <teh_orph> but pretty ace for a kid I guess
[16:52] <gordonDrogon2> no.... it's aimed at kiddies :)
[16:52] <teh_orph> I'll stick that through the profiler
[16:52] <gordonDrogon2> Veryevil, standard debian comes with a www-data in passwd & group. It's missing from the RPIs Debian.
[16:52] <TonyMonteabag> Do you just make the group zag2 ?
[16:52] <TonyMonteabag> I see the user already exists
[16:53] <TonyMonteabag> (i thought each user was already a group also)
[16:53] <zag2> sudo groupadd -f -g33 www-data
[16:53] <zag2> that command allowed me to install apache
[16:53] <friggle> gordonDrogon2: added to my checklist of things to check for the wheezy debian
[16:54] <zag2> I have no idea what it means though :)
[16:54] <TonyMonteabag> hmm
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon2> zag2, it means "add a new group into the system as number 33, called www-data"
[16:56] <gordonDrogon2> 33 is the debian default group number (and user ID) for www-data.
[16:56] <TonyMonteabag> I just did groupadd www-data on its own
[16:56] <TonyMonteabag> worked :)
[16:57] <gordonDrogon2> yes - it might pickup the group from the entry in /etc/passwd
[16:57] <TonyMonteabag> Thats what I hoped, as its possible GID 33 is already in use by another group
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[16:57] <TonyMonteabag> in which case you'd shit things up
[16:57] <TonyMonteabag> :P
[16:57] <gordonDrogon2> the supplied debian seems to have had its password/group files hacked about with - there is a duplicate pi user for exmaple.
[16:58] <TonyMonteabag> Yeah I noticed a couple of strange accounts..
[16:58] <gordonDrogon2> and other users with passwords. run pwck and grpck on them...
[16:58] <TonyMonteabag> Probably back doors
[16:58] <TonyMonteabag> So Rpi devs can hack us
[16:58] <gordonDrogon2> probably not deliberate, however...
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon2> I've not had time to add another page to my setup pages detailling how to fix-up the debians install, somewhat.
[16:58] <TonyMonteabag> Impossible to say
[16:58] <TonyMonteabag> ;)
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[17:14] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Started the next compile yet?
[17:14] <Hexxeh> yeah i've added some swap and killed my UI to try and get a debug build
[17:14] <Veryevil> that 3+ hours right?
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[17:14] <Hexxeh> who knows
[17:15] <Hexxeh> maybe ccache will kick in this time
[17:15] <Veryevil> Have you made any source changes?
[17:15] <Hexxeh> no
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon2> time to go home.
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[17:25] <simonlc> wow Liz replied to my email very quickly
[17:25] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, how do i compile quake3 on the pi properly?
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> simonlc: Was this about the wiki thing?
[17:25] <gurgalof> i think a managed to get it to compile
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[17:25] <gurgalof> but it won't start
[17:25] <simonlc> no, it was about the website design
[17:26] <harold> hey guys..... I just got the email, I can order it now, but why is the price suddenly 42 USD?
[17:26] <Kolin> whats wrong with the website design?
[17:26] <Veryevil> what did she say
[17:26] <Hexxeh> gurgalof: follow the instructions in the README
[17:26] <simonlc> has anyone benchmarked quake 3 with an fps config at 640x480?
[17:26] <gurgalof> Hexxeh, i did
[17:26] <Hexxeh> that worked for me.
[17:27] <harold> any idea?
[17:27] <gurgalof> well, i will try more, too bad it takes about an hour
[17:27] <simonlc> Kolin: it just didn't match the forums and I offered to do that. Though the Person that made the forums is already working on it.
[17:27] <trevorman> harold: what did you expect the price to be?
[17:27] <simonlc> Where can I find the quake 3 port?
[17:27] <trevorman> the base price doesn't including shipping or tax
[17:27] <Hexxeh> simonlc: https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[17:28] <simonlc> thank you
[17:28] <harold> trevorman: cheaper, I recall. I even recall they took it down... alright, I guess I wasn't expecting that much for shipping+tax...
[17:28] <simonlc> ah nice, based on ioquake3
[17:28] <harold> what is of concern is that it took me to a uk-page, I had to force it to display stuff in Dollars instead of pounds, and so on. I was thinking this might have had something to do with this
[17:28] <trevorman> harold: you'll have to compare prices with others. I'm in the UK and paid roughly $46 because of VAT.
[17:28] <harold> what's VAT?
[17:29] <trevorman> tax
[17:29] <simonlc> mine cost $35 with $8 shipping
[17:29] <harold> I'm in US, I think they reason it gave me this UK-oriented page was because on the day R-pi came out, I tried doing weird tricks to get to it (using my london vps to access some uk site... so these guys are thinking I'm in the UK)
[17:29] <trevorman> harold: this is for newark/farnell/element14 but http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/871
[17:30] <trevorman> the price for US is $40 excluding any state tax
[17:30] <simonlc> I did not have to pay taxes, but I'm sure I will once it gets past customs
[17:31] <simonlc> (canada)
[17:31] <harold> The Raspberry Pi is an educational device and does not come with memory, power, keyboard or operating system
[17:31] <harold> power not needed, right? maybe I've an adapter in my house -- or would you suggest I get it? :o
[17:32] <simonlc> you need a power supply
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[17:32] <SpeedEvil> A USB cable to a PC motherboard port works well
[17:32] <trevorman> you need at minimum a SD card and a micro USB cable + 5V at about 1A power supply
[17:32] <simonlc> 700ma 5V iirc
[17:32] <trevorman> keyboard + mouse + HDMI or composite video cable if it isn't going to be headless server
[17:33] <simonlc> the raspi site says not to do that SpeedEvil on the quick start guide
[17:33] <harold> ah ok, cool. have got HDMI cable, mouse, keyboard. Alrightie
[17:33] <gregd> trevorman: u do not need micro USB.. my RPi stats up perfectly fine when plugged to a power source using the regular USB port
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> simonlc: I would basically ignore that.
[17:33] <trevorman> gregd: you're not supposed to do that
[17:33] <simonlc> ok. Have you tried it?
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> USB ports are specified to be short circuit capable
[17:33] <gregd> trevorman: what am I not supposed to do?
[17:34] <trevorman> power it via the USB sockets
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> 99.9% or greater of USB ports will not current limit at 500mA - on a PC motherboard.
[17:34] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: some laptops do
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[17:34] <harold> why is the tax... 7 dollar? That's.. a lot
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Laptops are different
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[17:34] <gurgalof> I put mine in a usb3 port, they can supply more current...
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> That works too
[17:35] <trevorman> its easier to say "don't power it from a PC" than "it should work for most people but you might have one of the machines that doesn't like it"
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[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Probably, yes.
[17:35] <harold> 35 for the thing, 7 tax, and 8.02 for standard delivery. (USD)
[17:35] <gregd> trevorman: I do not power it intentionally, my external hdd has external power supply.. plugging the hdd into my RPi powers it perfectly fine and it has been running so for days
[17:36] <trevorman> gregd: still. not supposed to do that. the ports also have a fuse on them which limits the amount of power the rest of the RPi can draw.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> I'd have a _LOT_ more confidence in it working on most PCs, than most '1A' 'USB chargers' got from ebay for 1.99
[17:36] <gurgalof> gregd, that is not a good idea
[17:36] <trevorman> gregd: people in here have mention odd things happening if they accidentally power it via the USB socket
[17:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> protip: sudo apt-get install avahi-daemon on your Pi, no more fudging about trying to get its IP :D
[17:36] <trevorman> crashes, not starting up properly etc...
[17:36] <hamitron> melted motherboards?
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[17:37] <gregd> trevorman: surely my external hdd adheres to usb specification... so are u saying that RPi does not adhere to usb specification and it draws power from the usb port?
[17:37] <gregd> right
[17:37] <zgreg> your external hdd? 2.5"?
[17:37] <gregd> zgreg: yes
[17:38] <trevorman> gregd: the USB power lines are connected to the internal 5V line on the RPi via a polyfuse
[17:38] <trevorman> thats it
[17:38] <zgreg> it's most likely not adhering to USB specs
[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The million dollar question: does plugging your Pi into mains actually *stop* that additional current seeping into the Pi via connected, powered USB devices?
[17:38] <trevorman> no
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: It depends on the relative voltages of the supplies
[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Pi's gonna die???
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> And the impedences of the cable
[17:38] <hamitron> plugging the r-pi into the mains will surely kill it?
[17:38] <hamitron> ;)
[17:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> hamitron: haha, AC is good for everything!
[17:39] <zgreg> by default, USB devices are only allowed to take 100mA. they need to ask the host for more. but all 2.5" USB HDDs I know power up as soon as you plug them in
[17:39] <zgreg> also, 2.5" HDDs definitely need more than 500mA for spinup
[17:39] <hamitron> mine has a jumper, so you can select transformer or usb
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: The USB spec is violated more often than <snipped due to little kiddies>
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[17:40] <harold> ok, sorry to be bugging you guys, but this is what I'm seeing -- http://i.imgur.com/0L8LK.png
[17:40] <harold> does that look.. ok? total comes out to $50
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> harold: OMG - that's a massive spider!
[17:40] <trevorman> the only way to give the RPi full power is via the microUSB socket or if you're feeling particularly daring via the 5V GPIO pin but thats not recommended
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> harold: That's about what I got charged - ordering from the UK
[17:41] <harold> SpeedEvil: so there are people in the US .. who ordered from a different reseller, and ultimately ended up paying less than that?
[17:41] <simonlc> that's 20% tax harold
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> harold: UK
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[17:42] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure of where and what tax that is.
[17:42] <harold> I'm in the United States, just to be clear (if it wasn't). hmm, alright
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[17:43] <harold> for some reason, I was blithely thinking from the very start that it would cost me no more than 40, tops, out of pocket
[17:44] <zgreg> does something like an export tax exist in the UK?
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[17:50] <harold> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 3 week(s)) :(
[17:51] <harold> that's cruel and unusual punishment. I really wish they'd handled this whole thing better.. had me expectaions up, and had me making plans months months back
[17:51] <harold> anyways, I'll shut up now.
[17:51] <mkopack> Mine, ordered from RS in the UK, came to $43.01 total, shipped
[17:52] <mkopack> to the USA
[17:52] <mkopack> where the heck did you order from?
[17:52] <harold> I dono.. I just followed the damn ilnks I got sent via e-mail
[17:52] <mkopack> Allied? Or RS in the UK?
[17:52] <mkopack> and I assume you're in the USA?
[17:53] <harold> I'm in the US
[17:53] <harold> sorry, 'Allied'?
[17:53] <harold> What does that mean?
[17:53] <mkopack> allied is the USA branch of RS
[17:53] <mkopack> just like Newark is the USA branch of Farnell
[17:53] <harold> and yes, ordered from Allied, apparently
[17:54] <mkopack> It's POSSIBLE that there's an Allied office in your state, so they were required to charge sales tax ?
[17:54] <harold> were you in the same situation as me? You live in the US, and had your R-pi shipped from Allied?
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[17:55] <harold> out of curiosity, were you given some shipment tracking code?
[17:55] <mkopack> Nope..
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[17:55] <mkopack> got the Rpi, never got the email with the tracking info.
[17:55] <mkopack> It came via DHL on Tuesday...
[17:55] <harold> how much time did it take to get it, after ordering?
[17:55] <Hourd> farnell doesnt give tracking info for the pi is that helps
[17:56] <mkopack> Only reason I even knew it was coming is because I got an automated call from DHL that morning right before I walked out to go to work, saying that I had a package coming that day that needed to be signed for or a signed note needed to be left outside
[17:56] <Hexxeh> bingo, got a debug build
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[17:56] <Hexxeh> 47 minutes. looks like the extra RAM helped a lot.
[17:56] <mkopack> I got invited to order on the 4th, and ordered that day. The 7th was a holiday in the UK. I received it on the 14th
[17:57] <Kolin> I ordered yesterday, i had an email saying 3 week lead time
[17:58] <Hourd> i ordered yesterday, email saying 1 week lead time
[17:58] <simonlc> I got the same as Hourd
[17:58] <Hourd> or was it monday?
[17:58] <Hourd> this week
[17:58] <vahnx> i "registered my interest" a few hours after i was able to, then was able to order i think a few weeks later, and mines supposed to ship now in a month i think
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[17:58] <simonlc> I got my email the 15th
[17:58] <[SLB]> mine says july/august..
[17:58] <Hourd> yeah 15th
[17:59] * IT_Sean hasn't been able to order yet
[17:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Suddenly tempted to hook my N810 up to the Pi and see if I can get a terminal over USB networking.. why didn't I think of that before, eeee!
[17:59] <simonlc> your order reference number is: 5656
[17:59] * vahnx googles n810 :)
[18:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> vahnx: y u no know n810!?!? It's the fabled Nokia internet tablet of yore and old, it was a beaut, a magnificent piece of equipment
[18:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Although??? admittedly??? it wasn't a Psion 5??? I still want a Psion 5
[18:00] <vahnx> sounded firmillar although after googling, i had no idea what it was
[18:01] <harold> <+[SLB]> mine says july/august..
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[18:01] <drazyl> Psion 5 was great, still have one in a drawer somewhere
[18:01] <harold> _what_ says that? and what is that? the date when you'll be able to order?
[18:02] <vahnx> "if you have to use a stylus, you've already failed" - my fav quote
[18:02] <simonlc> I hope the RS ones will have the raspi logo printed on the boards
[18:02] <Hexxeh> why wouldn't they?
[18:02] <Hexxeh> i have an RS one here but it's still sealed in the box, and i don't really want to open it since it's going to another dev
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[18:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> drazyl: Sell it to me, for FIVE POUNDS!!
[18:03] * IT_Sean offers ??6
[18:03] <drazyl> Gadgetoid_mbp do way
[18:03] <vahnx> i should keep my raspberry pi when it arrives, see how much it goes for in 15 years
[18:03] <teh_orph> I just got my invite for pi #2
[18:03] <drazyl> no even
[18:03] <harold> heyyy, you're not supposed to be able to order 2
[18:03] <teh_orph> might send on that bad boy
[18:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> drazyl: I didn't think so??? the blasted things are still tremendously expensive
[18:03] <harold> it's probably 'cause of jerks like you that mine was delayed!
[18:03] <teh_orph> rs + farnell :)
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[18:04] <teh_orph> nah I'm not gonna take it
[18:04] <drazyl> the form factor is awesome, as is the keyboard
[18:04] <teh_orph> I already have one
[18:04] <drazyl> just need a modern Psion5 with colour, lion battery and 3G, preferably running Linux
[18:04] * IT_Sean registered interest with both RS and Farnell, but will only place one order (whichever invite comes first)
[18:05] * IT_Sean isn't greedy
[18:05] <drazyl> if it could have vga in and ps/2 out even better
[18:05] <teh_orph> yeah - just hedging your bets
[18:05] <IT_Sean> Yup
[18:06] <harold> wait wat... this is conflicting stuff. First on the entry page it told me it comes with no OS installed, then in the features, I see: ??? Boots from SD card, running the Fedora version of Linux
[18:06] <IT_Sean> harold: it boots the OS from the SD card
[18:06] <lennard> the SD card is not included
[18:06] <drazyl> harold - my pc came with no os, but boots from harddisk running a variety of os's
[18:06] <vahnx> you need ur own sd card and must install fedora to it
[18:06] <lennard> therfor: no OS pre-installed :P
[18:06] <mkopack> harold: Honestly, do you not have any idea what it is you're buying?
[18:06] <drazyl> think supplied vs supported
[18:07] <mkopack> ALL the info is up on the Rpi web site. Have you not been watching / reading that?
[18:07] <vahnx> mkopack: its only $37.50 i think after taxes, should u care what it is before buying?
[18:07] <harold> mkopack: no, I've just been quite removed from all things R-pi. :(
[18:07] <Hourd> mkopack: i don't think he does... jsut another "oh look this is the trend" people
[18:07] <mkopack> Read a little and educate yourself
[18:07] <Hourd> harold: what are you going to use it for?
[18:08] <harold> Hourd: as a paperweight on my coffee table, for my friends to see
[18:08] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: give it to another dev?
[18:08] <IT_Sean>
[18:08] <drazyl> teh rasbury poney iz cheep but u haz to get ure own sadle
[18:08] <teh_orph> yeah I emailed it out at work
[18:08] <harold> but rather, because I'm a computer engineering student, was intending to use it for a 'home automation' project
[18:08] <Hourd> harold: thats cool :)
[18:08] <teh_orph> if no takers the next person in the queue can get it
[18:09] <drazyl> can u ship to orbit?
[18:09] <harold> and I was in the queue before it ever came the trend. :(
[18:09] <Hourd> harold: what queue?
[18:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> drazyl: it still boggles my mind why nobody has produced a modern Psion 5, clearly the market exists as the Psion 5 still sells for a fortune
[18:10] <vahnx> i wonder if i should get rid of my PC surround sound and get a setup that will work with pi
[18:10] <vahnx> (and my atv)
[18:10] <drazyl> lack of vision, and too much commoditisation of technology
[18:10] <drazyl> it doesn't run windows, so it can't be any use
[18:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> drazyl: the OpenPandora is almost one??? but the keyboard is terrible
[18:10] <mkopack> Hourd: he probably means that useless mailing list they had
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[18:11] <Hourd> mkopack: ah right, thats hardly the queue
[18:11] <mkopack> yeah
[18:13] <vahnx> by the time my raspberry pi arrives, 4k will be the standard ad 1080p will be out -_-
[18:14] <vahnx> by out i mean not in use
[18:14] <IT_Sean> By the time your raspi arrives, the universe will have undergone heat death, vahnx :p
[18:15] <vahnx> i wonder if raspberry pi 2 will support 4k
[18:15] <simonlc> who even has a 4k display?
[18:15] <drazyl> yes, it will have 8 cores, 16Gb of RAM, support all known standards, come in a beige case and cost ??1500
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Only ??1500. Not bad. :p
[18:16] <Hourd> i want one
[18:16] * IT_Sean gets on the queue for that one
[18:16] <Hourd> IT_Sean: s/queue/mailing list/
[18:16] <mkopack> and honestly guys, don't expect a speed demon. The unit is rather slow...
[18:16] <Hexxeh> uh, i think i broke GDB: http://pastebin.com/KvJMaKmE
[18:16] <mkopack> as bad as I expected it to be after running it in QEMU...
[18:17] <drazyl> iz only a poney, haz little legz
[18:17] <vahnx> it would probably make a decent arcade box, assuming there are good emulators for linux out there
[18:17] <mkopack> It works, but as soon as you fire up a X desktop and open anything and start doing stuff, it gets slow
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[18:17] <Hexxeh> lol, [2654:2654:5716859308:ERROR:gl_surface_egl.cc(61)] eglGetDisplay failed with error EGL_SUCCESS
[18:17] <Hexxeh> wtf.
[18:18] <drazyl> now that's an error message
[18:18] <vahnx> cant be that much slower than my xbox running xdsl linux
[18:18] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:18] <mkopack> vahnx: that's what I'm doing with the one I just got. But since the X isn't accelerated yet, and most of the emulators out there run on an X desktop, they're a bit laggy. I got Stella (atari 2600) and Vice (C64/128, etc.) working
[18:18] <mkopack> No sound though
[18:18] <Hexxeh> mkopack: load alsa?
[18:18] <drazyl> whistle while you work on it
[18:18] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: halp? :P
[18:18] <vahnx> ah nice
[18:18] <vahnx> if it can run a ps1 ill be happy :)
[18:18] <mkopack> Hexxeh: No, was there something special I have to do to make that work?
[18:19] <mkopack> vahnx: Don't count on it...
[18:19] <Hexxeh> mkopack: yeah, i can't remember it off hand though
[18:19] <vahnx> my pc from 2003 can run a ps1 emulator flawlessly
[18:19] <vahnx> but it ran windows
[18:19] <mkopack> Even with emulating the C64 it was pretty much at it's limits
[18:19] <Hexxeh> modprobe some module, snd-bcm2835 or something
[18:19] <Hexxeh> i'll check for you
[18:19] <mkopack> k, thanks
[18:19] <Hexxeh> modprobe snd-bcm2835
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[18:19] <Hexxeh> that's it
[18:20] <drazyl> simpler to buy an old psone surely
[18:20] <mkopack> ok, just run that line and you get sound?
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[18:21] <Hexxeh> mkopack: apparently so
[18:22] <fjen> is there any documentation on hardware decoding capabilities of the gpu available and which formats are licenced by the foundation?
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[18:23] <mkopack> ok, cool. I'll try that when I get home
[18:23] <mkopack> fjen: H.264
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[18:23] <gurgalof> too bad it is only h.264
[18:23] <gurgalof> and only decode
[18:23] <gurgalof> would have liked encode
[18:23] <Hexxeh> though encode is technically possible eben said
[18:24] <fjen> h263 is also supported i think?
[18:24] <gurgalof> oh is it...
[18:24] <fjen> and with it, the xvid stuff
[18:24] <gurgalof> then encoding a webcam stream would be nice for my project
[18:24] <fjen> but what about vorbis?
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[18:26] <hotwings> gurgalof - you know decoding != encoding right? just cuz a gpu can do hw h264 decoding doesnt mean it can do hw h264 encoding
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[18:27] <teh_orph> hexxeh: sorry, I was away
[18:27] <teh_orph> that's a great error
[18:28] <gurgalof> hotwings, i know
[18:28] <gurgalof> <gurgalof> would have liked encode
[18:28] <gurgalof> <Hexxeh> though encode is technically possible eben said
[18:28] <teh_orph> does GetLastEGLErrorString work?
[18:29] <teh_orph> maybe there was a subsequent call which reset the value?
[18:29] <teh_orph> ah, actually (I have to go to the pub in a mo) this sounds familiar
[18:29] <teh_orph> one more
[18:29] <hotwings> a lot of things are technically possible, and a lot of them dont offer any advantage at all. in some cases even worse performance
[18:29] <teh_orph> *one mo
[18:29] <hotwings> sounds like mkopack got his rpi finally! nice!
[18:29] <Hexxeh> trying changing the check to if (g_display == EGL_NO_DISPLAY) {
[18:30] <mkopack> hotwings: Yeah, from RS??? still waiting on the one from Newark
[18:30] <teh_orph> I have to go in a mo, but I'm sure there was something in this
[18:30] <teh_orph> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5151&hilit=es2
[18:30] <hotwings> mkopack - what did you pay for the RS one out the door?
[18:30] <teh_orph> in particular the shirro/dom interaction
[18:31] <mkopack> Came to like $43 after shipping
[18:31] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: i'll read it though, thanks
[18:31] <hotwings> ah thats not bad then
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[18:36] <deam> anyone got any progress on interrupt kernel support?
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[18:37] <deam> if not, I'll continue my work
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[18:41] <deam> are all forum links broken? there's some rewrite required I guess
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, do the emulators use the SDL library?
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, I've not looked myself, but SDL gives you a graphics system not unlike the memory mapped displays of those old 8-bit games...
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[18:51] <mkopack> I have no idea
[18:51] <mkopack> You guys know a LOT more about Linux than I do
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> one of the spectrum emulators was demos on the forums recently though.
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[19:03] <TopherBrink> hmm i think stellarium at 0.0168 fps on arch may be a little too slow
[19:03] <Viperfang> a little?
[19:03] <fALSO> :-P
[19:03] <fALSO> LOL
[19:03] <Viperfang> Tried with hardware floating point?
[19:04] <TopherBrink> havent tried anything bar running the binary yet
[19:04] <Dagger2> when you have to measure the speed in seconds per frame rather than frames per second... it's too slow
[19:04] <TopherBrink> precisely
[19:04] <fALSO> ROFL dagger2
[19:04] <rm> that reminds me of SETI@home
[19:05] <rm> and how it takes 5 hours to process 15 second of cosmic noise
[19:05] <TopherBrink> SETI@home for pi... we'd be dead and conquered by the aliens before it finished one work unit
[19:05] <rm> space stuff too! :)
[19:06] <chris_99> just beacon out our own signal, and let the aliens do the work instead
[19:07] <hotwings> lazy american
[19:08] <chris_99> haha
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[19:09] <rm> watch "Battleship"
[19:10] <rm> to see what that could lead to :)
[19:10] <mjr> not watching that one at least until it gets its torrent premiere...
[19:10] <rm> also a good movie, I geniunely enjoyed (at least if you turn off your brain in some moments)
[19:11] <hotwings> was it filmed in 3d?
[19:11] <Viperfang> 3d = ruined
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[19:13] <hotwings> 3d is like peas.. either you like it or you dont.. filmed in real3d tends to be awesome.
[19:13] <Viperfang> imax looks alright, but I still prefer 2d
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[19:14] <TopherBrink> noticing 3d is like noticing cgi - you're being taken out and seeing something artificial
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[19:15] <simonlc> I made myself 2d glasses
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[19:16] <mjr> so you can watch a 3d movie in 2d?
[19:16] <simonlc> yes
[19:16] <mjr> good on you :]
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[19:16] <simonlc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarized_3D_glasses
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[19:17] <simonlc> think geek also sells them
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[19:27] <hotwings> [10:13:30] <TopherBrink> noticing 3d is like noticing cgi - you're being taken out and seeing something artificial <-- not quite.. people see in 3d naturally, 2d is artificial. and cgi these days is great. ever seen Rise of the Apes?
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[19:27] <hotwings> bad cgi in 2012 is either on purpose or amateur hour
[19:27] <Thorn_> that wasn't cgi
[19:27] <Thorn_> that was american acting
[19:27] <des2> People don't actually see in 3D. It's a brain trick.
[19:28] <hotwings> the apes are cgi, and the motion-capture actor is euro
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: And some peoples 3d is broken
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: Or works differently
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: Autostereograms - for example.
[19:28] <hotwings> people have stereoscopic vision. no tricks needed
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> des2: I can sort-of-see that there is something there.
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[19:29] <SpeedEvil> I can essentially never 'see' it
[19:29] <des2> There are some people that have been blind since birth.
[19:29] <des2> They then get their sight restored.
[19:29] <des2> They can't see in 3D.
[19:29] <des2> Cause they haven't learned the illusion.
[19:30] <des2> If you actually saw in #D you couldn't be fooled by CGI
[19:30] <hotwings> theres no illusion. people have stereoscopic vision unless theyre blind, have eye and/or brain damage affecting vision processing, or are missing their eyes completely
[19:31] <hotwings> 3d and cgi have nothing to do with each other
[19:31] <mjr> semantics
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[19:36] <hotwings> so the answer is no, battleship was not shot in 3d per the director. apparently he thinks the movie needed to be about the story and not the visuals... LOL
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[19:37] <hotwings> clearly a wise decision for an action movie about aliens attacking earth
[19:37] <simonlc> Who likes my picture? http://i.imgur.com/9XVfI.jpg
[19:38] <zag2-> nice
[19:38] <zag2-> got a 1080p version?
[19:38] <simonlc> uh, I can make one sec
[19:38] <hotwings> pretty cool
[19:38] <hotwings> wrong color but thats ok
[19:39] * IT_Sean likes it
[19:39] * IT_Sean wants a 1080p version
[19:39] <Kripton> simonlc, yes, looks nice
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[19:40] <simonlc> :)
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[19:41] <hotwings> is that your desktop wallpaper?
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[19:42] <simonlc> it's a picture I took for my raspi case worklog
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[19:49] <hotwings> that would be a cool looking cover for an rpi case
[19:50] <TopherBrink> i second and third the desire for a 1080p version
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[19:50] * IT_Sean fourths it
[19:51] * oldtopman is going to put one of his raspis in the box from an AMD 8150
[19:51] <zag2-> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72&d=1335375801
[19:51] <zag2-> this one is nice too
[19:51] <Kripton> Yay, cross-compiling using distcc works :)
[19:52] <simonlc> zag2- IT_Sean TopherBrink http://simon.lc/images/1080p-wallpaper.png
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> what's that drawn with?
[19:53] <IT_Sean> SAVED.
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Thanks for the new wallpaper
[19:53] <zag2-> looks like paint ;)
[19:53] <fjen> simonlc: 1920x1200 possible?
[19:54] <simonlc> if you like photoshop content aware fill, yes
[19:55] <fjen> better than scaling it with imagemagick i think
[19:58] <simonlc> gordonDrogon: I traced my monitor then I cut out the stencil and filled it in with sharpie
[19:58] <simonlc> I will be cutting it out, and puttin in a grill inlay
[19:58] <simonlc> fjen: http://simon.lc/images/1920x1200-wallpaper.png
[19:58] <fjen> thanks
[19:58] <simonlc> :)
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[19:59] <simonlc> since that is my res too, might as well use it as my wallpaper too :P
[20:00] <fjen> ;)
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[20:04] <sharktamer> Does anyone know why make doesn't work on arch on my rpi?
[20:04] <sharktamer> Just brings me back to the command line immediately
[20:04] <sharktamer> no errors or anything
[20:05] <simonlc> do you ahve the devlev pkg's?
[20:05] <simonlc> or w/e they're caled
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[20:07] <jardiamj> wow, there is always a lot of people here..
[20:09] <sharktamer> simonlc: yeah
[20:09] <si> and growing ;)
[20:09] <sharktamer> I've got the base-devel group
[20:09] <fjen> does the precompiled kernel from raspberry github use l2cache when assigned to arm?
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[20:12] <IT_Sean> Oooh... it's finally getting sunny out, for the first time in days.
[20:12] <IT_Sean> Can i go home now?
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[20:15] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: You about?
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[20:15] <Hexxeh> yeah
[20:15] <Veryevil> Any progress?
[20:15] <Hexxeh> not really, no
[20:16] <Veryevil> did your huge debug version build?
[20:16] <Hexxeh> yes, but no joy running it
[20:16] <Hexxeh> just gonna debug using LOG() calls
[20:16] <Hexxeh> anyone know where EGL_DISPMANX_WINDOW_T is defined?
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[20:20] <friggle> Hexxeh: not sure if the definition is in the released headers
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[20:20] <Hexxeh> how does triangle.c compile then?
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[20:20] <friggle> Hexxeh: EGLNativeWindowType is an EGL_DISPMANX_WINDOW_T
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[20:21] <friggle> Hexxeh: ok, it is there opt/vc/include/EGL/eglplatform.h
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[20:21] <Hexxeh> ah, my fault, i'm not pointing at the EGL headers that come with the vc stuff
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[20:27] <sharktamer> Does anyone know who maintains he rpi arch repo?
[20:28] <friggle> sharktamer: pepedog. Don't know if he ever comes on IRC
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[20:32] <Kripton> Hexxeh, since you're around anyways: You could update your firmware-git-repo with the latest kernel. There's been a commit concerning the USB-chip on the Pi
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[20:34] <Hexxeh> yeah sure, need to finish uploading this CL, sec
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[20:34] <Kripton> no worries, just wanted you to be informed but I guess you are watching the repo anyways
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[20:35] <Hexxeh> yeah saw it earlier today, just been busy hacking on chrome
[20:35] <DaQatz> !channel
[20:35] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
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[20:52] <Hexxeh> Kripton: updated
[20:52] <Kripton> well done :)
[20:53] <Kripton> I just wondered why I can't cross-compile kernel modules. Until I found out that I disabled modules in the kernel config ...
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 100 64x64 sprites being animated round a 1280x1024 screen using SDL on a raspbian Pi is somewhat .... sluggish.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> cpu split is about 70% prog. 30% Xorg.
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[21:24] <Hexxeh> well the bcm stuff seems to compile now
[21:24] <Hexxeh> it's an eyesore, but let's see if it works
[21:25] <Hexxeh> also, submitted a CL for the raspberrypi to the chromium os project: https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/#change,22836
[21:26] <DaQatz> Well first make it work, make it "pretty" later.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[21:26] <Hexxeh> you know you're working on a big project when the gcc/g++ cmdline takes up your entire screen
[21:26] <Hexxeh> as in, an entire screen per file compiled
[21:26] * gordonDrogon boggles.
[21:27] <DaQatz> Elegant code is great. But code that works is better.
[21:27] <Hexxeh> DaQatz: that's true, but maintaining a patch to chromium without being able to upstream it would be hellish
[21:27] <DaQatz> Nods
[21:27] <Hexxeh> thankfully, it's a rarely-ish modified bit of code
[21:28] <Hexxeh> actually, since it depends on the broadcom headers, i don't think it'd ever get upstreamed..
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[21:28] <DaQatz> Oi
[21:29] <trevorman> why does PiBot give people voice in here?
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> still, space invaders is only about 67 sprites on-screen.
[21:29] <DaQatz> Wonder how many things we can re write with a more flexible license.
[21:29] <DaQatz> trevorman, so they can +m the chan when there are issues.
[21:30] <IT_Sean> trevorman: because we told it to
[21:30] <trevorman> but then why are there tons of people that don't have voice
[21:30] <DaQatz> PiBot was done for a bit
[21:30] <IT_Sean> because the bot is flakey
[21:30] <mkopack> Ok, so if I was to, say, want to hook up a USB HD and then format it as EXT3(4?) and copy everything from my sd card's linux (not the boot) partition over, and then set up the boot stuff so it would start up and then mount and run from the USB drive, how would I go about doing that? Has anyone seen directions on doing that sort of setup?
[21:30] <trevorman> fair enough
[21:30] <DaQatz> Yeah needs large parts of him re-written
[21:30] <mkopack> I'd like to get an idea of how much faster it works doing that?
[21:30] <DaQatz> To much of his code was written fast'
[21:31] <Kripton> mkopack, here very much faster. it's not even hard to do
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, edit the file /boot/cmdline.txt
[21:31] <mkopack> Kripton: care to give me the 411 on how to go about it?
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> also if you have edited /etc/fstab, update that on the new drive too.
[21:32] <mkopack> So, you're saying, hook up the USB hd
[21:32] <Kripton> mkopack, can you clear the complete drive? is it attached to the Pi? can you attach the HDD and the SD-card so a PC? which OS are you using?
[21:32] <passstab> mkopack, most people use ext4 now
[21:33] <mkopack> Yup, can wipe the drive, can hook it up to my Mac pro which has Ubuntu 12.04 running in a VM, so I can read/write the SD + USB from there...
[21:34] <mkopack> Just need to know how to go about formatting the drive for EXT4, then copy the data partition over to it, and get the SD card to point as the USB instead of the SD after it starts the boot process
[21:34] <Kripton> mkopack, then the plan looks like: attach both the SD and the HDD to the Ubuntu-VM and use ddrescue (or dd) to copy it over. Need help with that?
[21:34] <mkopack> I'm not usually much of a command line guy??? so bear with me please
[21:34] <Kripton> no problem, just tell me how far you get or where you need help
[21:34] <mkopack> Ok, well, that stuff is all at home, so I'll have to wait until I get home...
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I'd not use dd to copy the SD to an HDD...
[21:35] <mkopack> Maybe not even until this weekend
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> that'll map the partitions, etc.
[21:35] <mkopack> (gotta finish up an assignment for school before Sat night first...)
[21:35] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, I think it's the most easy. Of course we can to the format + copy over/tar-untar thingy
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, ok - but I think it would be trivial to do on the Pi itself - plug it in, simple partition (cfdisk), mkfs, mount and copy...
[21:36] <Kripton> copy while the system is live?
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[21:36] <Kripton> then you
[21:37] <Kripton> then you need to take care that you do not copy /proc or /dev
[21:37] <Kripton> ah well, there's this switch for copy
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> it's not really an issue. most of /proc will be ignored and /dev gets re-mounted by udev anyway.
[21:37] <Kripton> cp -x.... okay then
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> cd / ; find . -xdev | cpio -pm /mnt
[21:38] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, it might be an isse when files like /dev/kmem are copied by content
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> and any number of a million other ways to do it :)
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> well - I've been doing it that way for some years now when I build RAID sets for Linux servers...
[21:38] <Kripton> so mkopack you can now choose between a million + one ways :D
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Confused? you won't be after this episode of soaPi ...
[21:39] <Kripton> mkopack, and when the HDD is ready, it's really only replacing "/dev/mmcblk0p2" with "/dev/sdXY" in the file "cmdline.txt" of the SD's FAT-partition
[21:40] <markus> hello you
[21:42] <mkopack> Ok
[21:43] <Kripton> compiling is so fast using distcc .... :)
[21:44] <DaQatz> distcc + cross ?
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[21:45] <Kripton> yep
[21:45] <Kripton> + hardfp
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[21:45] <coolpot> hi all :)
[21:45] <DaQatz> nods
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[21:46] <coolpot> I have got installed the debian standard image for Rpi, and i wonder if there is a program i can install on it that would allow presentations, something similar to powerpoint
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just added two more LEDs to my Pi madness, changed the hours to 24 (using 5 leds) and added days (3 leds)
[21:47] <acfrazier> ukscone, I must have incredible luck with this digikey thing
[21:47] <Kripton> coolpot, wanna do your presentations as PDF and then use a simple PDF-viewer (xpdf, evince(gnome) or okular(kde))
[21:47] <coolpot> i heard there was something that did it in a browser, like a browser plugin, that did html5 presentation, i think that was part of "puppylinux" but wonder if there is something i can use on this debian
[21:48] <coolpot> Kripton, does that allow like timed automated switching between pages?
[21:48] <Kripton> coolpot, don't think so
[21:48] <coolpot> aww
[21:48] <coolpot> :p
[21:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> html5 presentations are shiny!
[21:49] <coolpot> \;p
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> I doubt libroffice presenter thingy would be usable...
[21:49] <Kolin> coolpot: displaying pdf's in the browser?
[21:49] <ukscone> acfrazier: how many you won now? i saw you did today?
[21:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> There's a command-line utility: ppthtml which might make a pigs ear of your ppt files in HTML
[21:49] <acfrazier> this would be the third
[21:49] <ukscone> acfrazier: nice
[21:49] <acfrazier> so maybe it truly is random
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[21:50] <Kolin> theres a javascript library that could probably be adapted to a browser extension prety easily http://andreasgal.com/2011/06/15/pdf-js/
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[21:51] * Kripton doesn't believe that JavaScript-performance is great on the Pi
[21:51] <Kolin> probably not :)
[21:51] <coolpot> can you get libreoffice on the pi?
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[21:52] <passstab> coolpot, probably
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[21:53] <passstab> but you might want to try something lighter
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[21:53] * passstab can't remeber any of the light office suites :P
[21:54] <Kripton> libreoffice uses some RAM just because of Java
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[21:57] <coolpot> ah i see
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> does the SOC hard an fpu?
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> *have
[22:03] <mkopack> yes
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> is it supported yet?
[22:03] <mkopack> But the standard debian OS build for the Pi doesn't support it
[22:03] <Laurenceb_> ah
[22:04] <Kripton> Laurenceb_, yes
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> so if i compile code on the pi with gcc
[22:04] <mkopack> You can run raspbian which is a port of debian compiled to use it
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> and it uses floating point
[22:04] <Kripton> Laurenceb_, there is a project called "raspian" usind HardFP and I have Gentoo-hardfp running
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> what will happen if i compile on the stock build of debian?
[22:04] <kwixson_> I have a non-RasPi question, but it's for connecting my RasPi to the Internet... How do I bridge wireless to Ethernet?
[22:04] <Kripton> Laurenceb_, it will use "softftp" - meaning the hardware-VFP + about 20 cycles overhead
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> right
[22:05] <Kripton> kwixson_, you want to use it as a switch/wireless AP?
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> it doesnt call the kernel or anything?
[22:05] <mkopack> Right, FP code WILL work, it just won't be quite as efficient
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> yes
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[22:05] <Kripton> kwixson_, or as router/NAS ?
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> so its inline asm?
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[22:05] <Laurenceb_> for the float?
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> about 20 cycles of inline asm?
[22:05] <mkopack> No, this is all internal to the chip itself
[22:05] <kwixson_> I just need to get the RasPi online so I can do updates
[22:06] <mkopack> It's just different instructions on the chip, 1 telling it to do hardware FP, the other telling it to emulate FP
[22:06] <Laurenceb_> well obviously
[22:06] <Kripton> Laurenceb_, take a read here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
[22:06] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[22:06] <kwixson_> Kripton: I have an Ethernet hub between the netbook and the RasPi.
[22:06] <Kripton> kwixson_, do you connect via WiFi or Ethernet to the net?
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> thanks for the help
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[22:07] <Kripton> Laurenceb_, more detailed here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/VfpComparison
[22:07] <kwixson_> Kripton: The netbook is connected to my wifi router -> Internet
[22:08] <Kripton> ah.. you want to go RPi -> Ethernet -> Netbook -> WiFi -> Router
[22:08] <Kripton> kwixson_, which OS is the netbook running?
[22:08] <kwixson_> Ubuntu 11.10
[22:09] <Kripton> I could tell you the hard way (command-line and text files) but I guess there is something specific to Ubuntu
[22:10] <ssvb> Kripton: 20 cycles overhead is only relevant for Cortex-A8 - http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/ch16s05s02.html
[22:10] <ssvb> Kripton: ARM11 has a much better FPU
[22:10] <kwixson_> Kripton: I'm game for command line if you can walk me through it.
[22:11] <Kripton> ssvb, nice to know that. It was what was said on the debian pages. And good to know you are here, too
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[22:12] <Kripton> kwixson_, I think you'd better go that way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
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[22:13] <ssvb> Kripton: I'm everywhere :)
[22:13] <Kripton> ssvb, and that link is valid for the ARMv6 which doesn't support NEON?
[22:14] <kwixson_> Kripton: Thanks. I'll try that.
[22:15] <Kripton> okay, CAN-bus is working on the RPi. What to try next? ;)
[22:15] <ssvb> Kripton: it is valid for softfp calling conventions, where data is moved between arm and vfp registers (they are shared with neon) unnecessarily
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[22:16] <Kripton> ssvb, okay then it is valid and I'm glad to have learned it
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[22:18] <ssvb> Kripton: Cortex-A8 is just very convenient for showcasing armhf :) ARM11 and Cortex-A9 do not suffer that much from less efficient calling conventions
[22:18] <coolpot> heres a proper noob question for you :) - I just noticed that the debian image has only used 1.6gb of my card, its a 8gb card, is there a easy way to make it expand to the full amount?
[22:19] <fsphil> gparted can resize the partitions
[22:19] <coolpot> ty
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[22:20] <mkopack> cool: put the card in some other linux machine, run Gparted. select the card from the drive list, unmount it, then resize the partition. It'll complain about the potential to lose data??? Tell it to go ahead...
[22:20] <mkopack> Then once it's done, pop it out and give it a try in the Pi
[22:20] <mkopack> I had to do this Tuesday night and it took 2 tries before I got it working right
[22:21] <IT_Sean> If you don't nuke your boot partition at least once, you aren't trying hard enough :p
[22:21] <mkopack> hehe
[22:21] <mkopack> I don't think it was the boot partition, it was when it started trying to load the stuff on the 2nd partition that it crapped out
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[22:21] <Kripton> ssvb, I still won't get rid of the feeling that all these ARM-names can be confusing. ARM11 vs ARMv6, nicknames like Cortex-AX, -MX ...
[22:21] <mkopack> Kripton: Oh , it IS
[22:21] <mjr> yeah the two different ARM numberings are really a pain
[22:22] <Kripton> Right, just found the Cortex-A8 in the table again
[22:22] <IT_Sean> the next one will be called ARM Big Fuzzy Thing, to avoid confusion
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, check this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[22:23] <coolpot> ty
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[22:23] <Kripton> and not even when you know the family or architecture you know the CPU's features since some are just optional ...
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[22:25] <sharktamer> Does anyone know what bootloader rpi arch uses?
[22:25] <sharktamer> as in, what command should I be running after installing a new kernel?
[22:26] <Kripton> sharktamer, no command. just copy your kernel.img to /boot
[22:26] <sharktamer> if any
[22:26] <Kripton> and reboot
[22:26] <sharktamer> OK
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[22:27] <sharktamer> I had to install the normal kernel in order to install the package for my wireless drivers
[22:27] <ssvb> Kripton: ARM11, Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9 are CPU cores
[22:27] <sharktamer> could I maybe extract the .ko file to where it needs to go instead?
[22:28] <ssvb> Kripton: armv5, armv6, armv7 are instruction set revisions
[22:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Git'd: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/Ruby-RPi-Binary-Clock
[22:28] <coolpot> gordonDrogon, what is /dev/mmcblk0 ? what does that refer to
[22:28] <coolpot> mmcblk0 is that what ur device was called?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, it's the name of the SD card device.
[22:28] <coolpot> whats the command to list the devices? :P
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, tricky...
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, however ls /dev
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> will give you a hint.
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[22:30] <friggle> qtwayland on the Pi (not my work!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k
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[22:31] <kwixson> Kripton: Thank you! RPi now connected to the Internet
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> friggle, obviously some nice 3d acceleration going on there...
[22:31] <Kripton> you
[22:31] <Kripton> you're welcome
[22:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: do you plan on sticking WiringPi in git at some point?
[22:32] <friggle> patchset is at https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,26311
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Sort of. I've been looking at git-web as an easier way to let folks download it.
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I was just wondering if I could simplify its inclusion in my projects somehow, including the whole source would just be messy for me though
[22:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think you can include a git repo in another git repo though, I'm not sure??? I'm more a mercurial kinda guy
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, I guess the easiest way would be to make a .deb package of it.
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[22:36] <coolpot> gordonDrogon, do you think its bad that the fdisk command said my device hasnt got a valid partition table? :p i find that a bit odd, because it works fine :p
[22:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I could probably GEM up my Ruby module wrapped version of your library, not sure how to though :D ( and only with your blessing of course )
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, it's certinaly not right... let me check what it says on mine..
[22:37] <coolpot> well it seems to list your partitions in the screenshot, it fails to find any on mine :P
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> right. Hm. Just tried it on mine and it did what I expected it to do.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> but your Pi has booted OK?
[22:38] <coolpot> yea fine
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> what Linux are you using?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, feel free to do that - the code is all free!
[22:38] <coolpot> the main debian image
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> that's what I started with too.
[22:39] <coolpot> weird :P its definatly the right device
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> can't think what's wrong with it then.
[22:40] <coolpot> basically its saying if i make changes it will write new table :P
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> probably best to not to that right now...
[22:41] <coolpot> i wonder if its because im using a VM inside of windows with the SD card connected via a USB virtual device
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> although I presume you have the means to re-write the card again if needed.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Oh? Your not on a real Pi?
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[22:41] <coolpot> well i guessed u cant resize the partition live on the device?
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> Yes you can - that web page is for doing just that.
[22:42] <coolpot> lol oops
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the VM isn't quite giving you the same view.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> although I did try it once under QEmu - on a Linux host.
[22:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Any Pi-owning ( or emulating ) Ruby users out there fancy trying my shoddy module compilation instructions?
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[22:48] <coolpot> gordonDrogon, ty man, im going through it now, and its all as your page says now :) even the same name :D
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> coolpot, ok - glad its now working for you.
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[22:55] <coolpot> its a true saying, when they say the more you know, the more you know you dont know
[22:55] <coolpot> :p
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:56] <coolpot> im much a nebw with linux, well ive ran game servers on vps for a couple of years but ive never had to do anything of this kinda thing :p!
[22:56] <kwixson_> Keyboard issue: I get a # when I hit the key for \
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> it's setup for UK keyboard by default..
[22:58] <D34TH> add -L . -k en-us to the end
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[22:58] <kwixson_> D34TH: To the end of what?
[22:59] <D34TH> the batch file to launch rpi emulator
[22:59] <D34TH> i assumed you were using that
[22:59] <kwixson_> Ah. Not for me then.
[22:59] <D34TH> <--- probably my bad
[22:59] <kwixson_> gordonDrogon: How do I get the correct keyboard setup?
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[23:00] <kwixson_> ...and Brits have their own keyboard?
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[23:02] <D34TH> kwix
[23:02] <D34TH> try dpkg-reconfigure locales
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[23:05] <kwixson_> D34TH: Tried it. Didn't seem to do anything when I chose US.UTF8
[23:05] <coolpot> ty gordonDrogon all sorted :)
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[23:06] <D34TH> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> hi. sorry was afk for a moment.
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> most countrys have a different keyboard layout.
[23:08] <jamesglanville> anyone looking for raspberry pi cases? blue/purple/pink: http://i.imgur.com/byLty.jpg
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> 3D printed?
[23:08] <jamesglanville> yep
[23:09] <fsphil> neat!
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> kwixson_, are you sorted? locale and keyboard layouts are different entities...
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> is that cable-ties holding the halves together? :)
[23:09] <D34TH> james, pretty secks. just file the edges a bit
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[23:09] <D34TH> :D
[23:09] <kwixson_> gordonDrogon: Almost there I think
[23:10] <D34TH> heh
[23:10] <D34TH> clear window on the top with led's and heatsink
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> almost better than the rubber bands the chap from up the road was using for his acrylic laser cut cases!
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm using one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[23:11] <kwixson_> Uh oh
[23:11] <coolpot> so i dont suppose anyone here now has any clue how i can get some kind of presentation running on RPI
[23:11] <jamesglanville> gordonDrogon: they'll be m3 bolts, but I can't find them right now...
[23:12] <jamesglanville> but i'll have got them before the next post
[23:12] <D34TH> coolpot like a powerpoint?
[23:12] <coolpot> im thinking if i cant find a powerpoint alternative for it maybe use some kind of webpage that will change pages
[23:12] <coolpot> death yea
[23:12] <D34TH> libreoffice?
[23:12] <coolpot> i heard it might be slow on rpi?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> I fear LO might be a bit too heavyweight...
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I give presentations on laptops myself...
[23:13] <D34TH> pptview?
[23:13] <coolpot> pptview?
[23:13] <D34TH> pptview
[23:13] <coolpot> lol
[23:13] <coolpot> is that avail for arm?
[23:13] <D34TH> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pptview
[23:14] <D34TH> try apt-get install pptview
[23:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Do you know when you have a feeling, and you copy your entire blog post to clipboard before you hit "Save Draft"?
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> apt-cache search pptview
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> pptview - view PowerPoint presentations
[23:14] <D34TH> :D
[23:15] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air, yes, I know that feeling
[23:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> +1 for the Pi cover that gordonDrogon recommended, it's not one of those stupid enclosed "duuuuh aym using my pi for xbmc" cases :D
[23:15] <D34TH> id like a closed case
[23:15] <coolpot> it just says unable to locate package pptview
[23:15] <D34TH> but i want a window in the side
[23:15] <D34TH> apt-get update
[23:15] <D34TH> :D
[23:15] <kwixson_> Keyboard issue nailed. Thanks D34TH and gordonDrogon
[23:16] <D34TH> np
[23:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Don't get me wrong, the closed cases are kinda sexy??? but they all need port supports and push-out header holes
[23:16] <D34TH> true
[23:16] <D34TH> hmm
[23:16] <coolpot> D34TH, nope?
[23:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> The micro-USB in particular needs to be surrounded with as much plastic reinforcement as can be thrown at it
[23:16] <D34TH> open sides, closed top and bottom
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd buy a plastic clip-on gubbin that did nothing but attach to the Pi and reinforce all the ports
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> the one issue I had recently with the skpang board thing was trying to use the composite video output.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I couldn't untill I removed the pi from the base )-:
[23:18] <coolpot> if it doesnt come up in apt-get then i guess its not avail for ARM?
[23:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I tried to use the composite, but the 1990s called an demanded their TV back, ayooo!
[23:18] <D34TH> coolpot, why not googledocs?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
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[23:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if the composite would work on my portable dvd-player???. hmmm???. a portable screen
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> 1990's. Meh. That Monitor is from the 80's!
[23:19] <coolpot> ive never heard of it :p
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: You, sir, win. Thoroughly.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I needed the composite the other day for a video projector - all it had was VGA or composite...
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> They don't build 'em like they used to
[23:19] <coolpot> is that easy to get on RPI?
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> coolpot: pptview could probably be compiled from source
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> pptview should be avalable.
[23:20] <coolpot> Gadgetoid_Air, perhaps you over-estimate me :D
[23:20] <coolpot> lol
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[23:21] <coolpot> ive never had to compile before ;P is it hard?
[23:21] <coolpot> gordonDrogon, i did apt-get update and tried pptview andd ppt-view
[23:21] <coolpot> just said not found
[23:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> coolpot: depends, it can be easy as pi ( ha ha ) or a complete pain in the behind
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Odd. pptview is in x86 debian, but not in the ARM version. Wonder why not...
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[23:22] <coolpot> oh ppt view requires wine?
[23:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, pptview is pretty much out unless you want to use qemu to try and run it
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> Ah, no, it's in non-free
[23:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's full of windows binaries
[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ugh: mso97v.dll msppt8vr.olb msv7enu.dll ppintlv.dll
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> you might need to add non-free into your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[23:23] <Kripton> things with windows-dlls won't du much on ARM I guess
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> You can use qemu and get 'em up and running on ARM, if you're a masochist
[23:24] <coolpot> would google docs be better?
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've had Starcraft running painfully slow on something around the power of a Pi
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> in qemu, running windows 95 :D
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> oh yes. forget it. not only is it in non-free, but as youv found, it needs wine )-:
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> wine is not an emulator...
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> What does the W??? oh wait
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Recursive acronyms are a form of martial art
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[23:25] <coolpot> is googledocs run just through ur browser then?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> more or less yes.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> a browser with a fast javascript engine...
[23:26] <kwixson_> Man is there a lot to do to get things working!
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I foresee googledocs being painful on the Pi, I couldn't get a browser to not crash??? in fact X on the Pi was horrid
[23:27] <kwixson_> Now I'm trying to set up the wireless dongle following instructions at http://elinux.org/RPi_Peripherals
[23:27] <coolpot> chronium seems really nice on the pi?
[23:27] <coolpot> well
[23:27] <coolpot> ill try google docs on it
[23:27] <coolpot> lol
[23:27] <markus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-G_OycwOEY good music! hehehe
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[23:27] <DaQatz> I want haiku on the pi
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[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm going to install qemu and play Starcraft on my Pi
[23:28] <D34TH> plugin in wireless adapter, restart device, internets
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[23:28] <kwixson_> Skipped over the bit about the firmware, but can't detect the wireless interface with iwconfig
[23:28] <D34TH> thats how it works for me anyways
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: Skipped the firmware...?
[23:28] <Kripton> kwixson_, for most WiFi-stuff: No firmware, no wifi :)
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Brave!
[23:29] <kwixson_> Not sure what firmware I need or how to find it
[23:29] <D34TH> DaQatz: http://cia.vc/stats/project/haiku/.rss development?
[23:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> sudo lsusb - look for rtXXX or rtlXXX
[23:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: Debian?
[23:30] <DaQatz> D34TH, Yes I know they are working on it =)
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[23:30] <kwixson_> Gadgetoid_Air: Yes, Debian
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> haiku is a shallow imitation of the mighty BeOS
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: do you see your device in "sudo lsusb" ?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> off to zed land. laters ...
[23:31] <DaQatz> Gadgetoid_Air, Have you tried it?
[23:31] <kwixson_> I think it's "Broadcom Corp"
[23:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> DaQatz: not for a while, actually??? back when it *was* a shallow imitation of BeOS, how's it progressing?
[23:31] <DaQatz> Gadgetoid_Air, It's binary compat with BeOS. Lightweight and damn fast.
[23:31] <kwixson_> If so, I do see it in the lsusb list
[23:32] <DaQatz> Gadgetoid_Air, It still has a ways to go but it would make a fine enviro for teaching dev on the pi.
[23:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: sudo apt-get install firmware-brcm80211
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[23:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although you might need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list first and make sure you have non-free enabled
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[23:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> DaQatz: I'd jump all over running it on the Pi, if only for giggles
[23:33] <kwixson_> Gadgetoid_Air: I think it did it.
[23:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: There's also "firmware-linux-nonfree" if all else fails, but I think that's just a meta-package that installs a whole lot of nonsense you'll never need
[23:35] <kwixson_> Still nothing when I type iwconfig
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[23:36] <kwixson_> When I did the install it did end with "setting up firmware-brcm80211"
[23:36] <kwixson_> So that's good, right?
[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> You should unplug and re-plug your wireless adaptor, and check "dmesg"
[23:37] <kwixson_> Rebooting
[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmesg could say a number of things relating you your wireless adaptor that will likely mean nothing to anyone, but are good clues
[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> It often says "AMAGAD NO FIRMWARE WAT!?"
[23:38] <kwixson_> IT Crowd: "hello. have you turned it off and on again?"
[23:38] <Kripton> and, did that fix it? :)
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you like to know everything, you could try running: tail -f /var/log/{messages,kernel,dmesg,syslog}
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Then unplugging and replugging it
[23:39] <Hexxeh> progress, ish: GLES2DecoderImpl::ResizeOffscreenFrameBuffer failed because offscreen FBO was incomplete.
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[23:42] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: thats great
[23:43] <coolpot> ok just incase your interested, google docs presentation works, its not idea, in that you have to publish it and then insert the code in an iframe (ek!) but you can pretty much forget any fancy animations for slides :P they just appear unlike on other pc's where they slide into place. its not a biggy for me, but it does work
[23:44] <D34TH> heh kwixson_: http://soundcloud.com/sumodeluxe/invalid-memory
[23:44] <kwixson_> Gadgetoid_Air: When I do the tail command it shows the wireless adapter and to me it looks fine
[23:45] <D34TH> if all else fails ndiswrapper?
[23:45] <kwixson_> Am I looking for anything in particular?
[23:46] <D34TH> try iwconfig?
[23:46] <kwixson_> D34TH: wlan is not showing
[23:47] <D34TH> but have you rebooted
[23:47] <D34TH> :D
[23:47] <coolpot> lol are there any supported wifi adapters without hassle? ;p
[23:47] <Kripton> kwixson_, can you put the output of "dmesg" to a pastebin please?
[23:47] <Hexxeh> anyone know how i can get the size of a window using dispmanx?
[23:47] <Hexxeh> and also resize a window
[23:48] <kwixson_> Kripton: Will do
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[23:50] <markus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3EVzixU4OU
[23:52] <kwixson_> Kripton: http://pastebin.com/askBF1ft
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[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: Sorry had to take some last minute pictures of my Pi setup for an article, eeee
[23:57] <kwixson_> No sweat.
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[23:57] <sharktamer> Is xbmc not on the arch repos?
[23:57] <Kripton> kwixson_, is that an "TiVo Wireless G USB Adapter"
[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh I love this image: http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00888.jpg
[23:57] <kwixson_> Kripton: Yes indeed.
[23:58] <Kripton> kwixson_, and your mouse seems to make trouble on the USB bus. Or you're replugging it all the time
[23:59] <Kripton> kwixson_, then go to http://wiki.debian.org/rndis_wlan and scroll down a bit. You'll find your WiFi-dongle listed under "Unsupported devices"
[23:59] <friggle> Hexxeh: I believe something like DISPMANX_UPDATE_HANDLE_T update = vc_dispmanx_update_start(0); and then you could vc_dispmanx_element_remove, then vc_dispmanx_element_add the an updated dest_rect, then vc_dispmanx_update_submit
[23:59] <friggle> and that occurs atomically because the update contains the remove and the add
[23:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: finally settled on the Nokia N810 to provide a screen/keyboard for the Pi: http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00890.jpg

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