#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-17

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[0:00] <friggle> looks like vc_dispmanx_element_change_attributes could be used too, but the remove then add method is what Dom recommended when discussing using dispmanx for hardware cursor support
[0:00] <Hexxeh> friggle: http://pastebin.com/2jXF5EvZ i'm thinking it's trying to resize it and failing
[0:00] <kwixson_> Kripton: So I'm SOL on this adapter?
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[0:00] <D34TH> yep
[0:01] <sharktamer> Anyone know where one would get xbmc for arch linux?
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[0:02] <Kripton> kwixson_, the only thing that might help you is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/tivousbwifi/ but you're better of buying a suported one
[0:02] <kwixson_> Okay. Guess I'll have to try and dig up one of my old Netgear B dongles.
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Reminds me, I need to test my other wifi dongle and see if it works
[0:02] <kwixson_> I figured the TiVo one should work 'cause TiVo is Linux
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[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Unfortunately it's tiny, and I lost it??? *facepalm*
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[0:03] <kwixson_> Kripton: So what's this about my mouse causing trouble?
[0:03] <mkopack> ugh, I REALLY don't want to sit through 3 hours of lecture tonight
[0:03] <Kripton> kwixson_, if you look at your dmesg you see that it gets detected over and over again
[0:04] <kwixson_> Gadgetoid_Air: What article are you writing?
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: just something for my blog
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> regarding Ruby and the Pi
[0:04] <kwixson_> Linky?
[0:05] <kwixson_> Kripton: Is that all in one session, or leftover from earlier today when I was plugging and unplugging it?
[0:05] <friggle> Hexxeh: nothing leaps to mind I'm afraid. I don't have tons of experience in this area either.
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[0:06] <Kripton> kwixson_, dmesg are since last reboot or shorter (they are limited to 128KByte or 256KByte, depending on your kernel config)
[0:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson_: finally published http://www.gadgetoid.com/2012/05/15/raspberry-pi-an-out-of-box-education-with-ruby/
[0:06] <Hexxeh> friggle: happen to know anyone around here who is?
[0:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: i get the feeling i'm close to nailing this
[0:07] <Hexxeh> and then we'd have the first browser with acceleration...
[0:08] <kwixson_> Kripton: So you are right that it's just causing trouble. What should I do about it?
[0:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: don't know of anyone around at the moment. It might be worth investigating more specifically what fails with the dispmanx/egl/gles calls rather than the chrome wrapping functions
[0:08] <Kripton> kwixson_, unplug it? Dunno exactly. I have two USB mice here, both causing trouble at the Pi
[0:09] <Hexxeh> friggle: the failing call is if (offscreen_target_frame_buffer_->CheckStatus() !=GL_FRAMEBUFFER_COMPLETE) {, but i can't trace back what offscreen_target_frame_buffer_ is
[0:09] <Hexxeh> well, i'm still trying
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[0:10] <kwixson_> Kripton: So it's not just me?
[0:10] <Hexxeh> apparently it's a FrameBuffer, which is part of GLESv2?
[0:11] <Kripton> kwixson_, I don't yet know what exactly the problem with mice is. All other USB-devices I tried worked okay
[0:12] <kwixson_> Well as long as it's not just me I'll count on it getting fixed in an update at some point. Doesn't seem to be messing anything up atm.
[0:13] <Kripton> it messed up my USD-connected HDD :/
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[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> What use is a mouse in a terminal, anyway? :D
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[0:16] <friggle> Hexxeh: by the way, which codesourcery toolchain did you find worked fine for chromium/webkit?
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[0:17] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air, it was just for testing out self-compiled X :)
[0:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Kripton: was it as painful as the stock X?
[0:17] <gurgalof> i got wifi working on squeeze
[0:18] <friggle> Hexxeh: do you have code posted publicly for review. I could nudge some google guys see if anyone is interested in taking a look
[0:18] <Kripton> the compilation? not at all: "emerge -av xorg-x11". It just took a while. But now cross-compiling and distcc work :)
[0:18] <gurgalof> raspbian is no-go, i need a non-free firmware...
[0:18] <Hexxeh> friggle: none, in the end, i got the chromium os toolchain system working for armv6
[0:18] <Hexxeh> friggle: well the overlay in review now: https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/#change,22836
[0:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> Has anyone benchmarked raspbian yet??? I'm not even sure what'd you'd bench on it
[0:19] <Hexxeh> friggle: my crappy changes to chromium to get it working with dispmanx aren't, because it's really not suitable for merging at all
[0:20] <gurgalof> Gadgetoid_Air, raspbian is faster in lxde
[0:20] <Hexxeh> friggle: i can generate a patch for chromium, though?
[0:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> gurgalof: Is that hf, or is it gpu acceleration though?
[0:20] <plugwash> Gadgetoid, a few have, pov-ray improves by a massive ammount. Other things not so much
[0:20] <gurgalof> Gadgetoid_Air, must be hf, since ther is no hw acc
[0:21] <plugwash> but most things seem to show some improvement
[0:21] <friggle> Hexxeh: now qtwayland is going, we could see chromium through wayland
[0:21] <Hexxeh> there were patches to get chromium running under wayland, but they were abandoned
[0:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> I could probably live without non-free, will have to grab some SD cards to try raspbian out
[0:22] <friggle> Hexxeh: the patches from intel a week or two ago?
[0:22] <Hexxeh> friggle: here's what i have re dispmanx in chrome - http://radium.hexxeh.net/chromium-dispmanx.patch
[0:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/SanDisk/Sandisk-16GB-Extreme-SD-Card-(SDHC)-45MB_s---Class-10 is dangerously tempting =/
[0:22] <Hexxeh> friggle: i'll check, i remember seeing something in the commit log about wayland being abandoned, but i'll check again
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[0:22] <plugwash> Gadgetoid_Air, we will probablly bring in at least part of non-free at some point, we are just focussing on main first
[0:22] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, it was bandoned and I guess these patches aren't destined upstream
[0:23] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: its something to do with glCheckFramebufferStatusEXT
[0:23] <Hexxeh> friggle: the movement appears to be towards Nox
[0:23] <Syliss> has anyone tried the pi for streaming video yet?
[0:23] <gurgalof> plugwash, firmware-atheros from nonfree for example...
[0:23] <friggle> Hexxeh: thanks, I'll prod a googler I know who has a pi (and knows others with pis) to see if anyone with the right skills is interested
[0:23] <Hexxeh> friggle: who's the googler with a pi? i did ask if anyone in the chromeos had one, nobody said they did
[0:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> plugwash: is there anything Pi-owners can do to test/help?
[0:24] <Hexxeh> s/chromeos/chromeos channel/
[0:24] <gurgalof> nice, i got a N wifi card, "Bit Rate=150 Mb/s"
[0:24] <plugwash> Gadgetoid_Air, Pi owners with debian packaging experiance certainly (see the forum thread for some things we would like worked on) but we really don't have time to mentor people with no previous debian packaging experiance
[0:25] <plugwash> gurgalof, firmware-atheros is arch all so you should be able to just wget it and install it for now
[0:25] <friggle> Hexxeh: I'd best let him stay anonymous unless he chooses not to be
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[0:25] <Hexxeh> friggle: heh, alright
[0:25] <gurgalof> plugwash, i will try that later
[0:26] <Syliss> i was going to get a wifi card for the pi but I'm just going to use my spare wrt54g and use it as a bridge
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> plugwash: I suspect I'd be useless, then! as anything more than a future Raspbian user
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[0:28] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: the CheckStatus call that is failing uses the function glCheckFramebufferStatusEXT
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Blast, that exact SD card is right on the Pi no-go list
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[0:29] <Veryevil> Ive done a bit of seaching and it seems to be listed else where as having the parameter GL_FRAMEBUFFER_EXT instead of just GL_FRAMEBUFFER but I cannot find the difference
[0:30] <plugwash> working on raspbian reminds me of http://xkcd.com/754/
[0:32] <plugwash> actually there is something a relatively non technical person can do, confirm that the midori javascript issue also hits armel wheezy (i've heard secondhand info that it does) and if it does make sure there is an appropriate bug in debian
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[0:32] <sharktamer> Bah, this is irritating
[0:32] <sharktamer> I assumed xbmc would be on the arch repos
[0:33] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: can you make it return / print the result of CheckStatus()?
[0:34] <Hexxeh> sure yeah
[0:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've never quite understood the appeal of xbmc, can't help but feel I'm missing out somehow
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[0:35] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: can you find he ENUM list that it is possible for that function to return?
[0:35] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: and are they useful?
[0:36] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: a really good link on FBO http://www.songho.ca/opengl/gl_fbo.html
[0:36] <Hexxeh> building with the returned part as part of the error message now
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[0:37] <Hexxeh> it'll take 10-15 minutes to do a build (incremental)
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[0:37] <Veryevil> ok here is more info on the return http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glCheckFramebufferStatus.xml
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[0:39] <Hexxeh> bcm_host_init is definitely being called
[0:39] <Hexxeh> i'm guessing it's some bcm-specific stuff that isn't hooked up that's causing this
[0:39] <Veryevil> looks like a lot has to be right in order for the FBO to be happy
[0:41] <sharktamer> Anyone know if it would be possible to create a cross compiling environment for the rpi on windows?
[0:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> sharktamer: the best way to do that would be inside a virtual machine
[0:41] <sharktamer> Yeah, I was thinking that
[0:41] <sharktamer> What's the best one now?
[0:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't use windows, so I'd just say VirtualBox
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[0:42] <sharktamer> I'm planning on installing arch on this pc again, I'll probably just wait until then
[0:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> There's also: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/
[0:44] <sharktamer> What arch is the rpi on here? - http://archlinuxarm.org/packages
[0:44] <sharktamer> arm5 or arm7?
[0:44] <Hexxeh> armv5
[0:44] <sharktamer> OK
[0:44] <sharktamer> No xbmc package on there :S
[0:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd love an rpi toolchain though??? waiting an hour to watch a nodejs compile break again isn't exactly a thrilling prospect
[0:45] <sharktamer> Hexxeh: why does it come under armv6?
[0:46] <Veryevil> the PI SoC is and Armv6 Processor
[0:46] <Hexxeh> p
[0:46] <sharktamer> SoC?
[0:46] <Veryevil> systen on chip
[0:46] <Veryevil> read processor
[0:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> sharktamer: ALL the xbmc! http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/241-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-1
[0:46] <Hexxeh> sharktamer: because arch doesn't have a v6 target
[0:49] <sharktamer> Gadgetoid_Air: I've already installed arch and I don't want to have to go through the hassle of getting my wifi to work again
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[0:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> sharktamer: that's why God, in his great wisdom, chose to grant us the awe and magic of cables
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[0:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Instead of sending signals through the air, all messy like, higgledy piggledy and inefficient??? you can run them directly through a length of wire!
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[0:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Otherwise when you microwave your food, it'll taste of wifi :(
[0:51] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[0:52] <DaQatz> Hope you weren't dl'ing porn
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[0:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> DaQatz: there are no words...
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[0:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> In all seriousness, though, HomePlug is nice for stuff like the Pi
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[0:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> And I still maintain that this is the best thing in the universe: http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-piggy6.htm
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[0:54] <gurgalof> don't use those homeplug networks
[0:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> They'll make your electricity taste of porn?
[0:54] <gurgalof> the create o lots of interference on HF
[0:54] <gurgalof> they
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> You mean they make amateur radio enthusiasts rage?
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[0:55] <gurgalof> which amateur radio operators doesnt like
[0:55] <gurgalof> exactly
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, well amateur radio operators should buy mobile phones :D
[0:55] <gurgalof> like me for example
[0:55] <kwixson__> So, next: I gots no sound.
[0:55] <SStrife> there should be an RF choke near where the mains come into your house, any area of effect should be quite small, right?
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Trust me, when the apocalypse comes and their hobby becomes the communication network for a post-apocalyptic, technologically destroyed world??? my homeplug network probably isn't going to be running
[0:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> gurgalof: Is it really *that* bad? see my earlier post about wires??? although??? err??? you might need some quite long ones!
[0:57] <gurgalof> the homeplug stuff is really that bad
[0:58] <gurgalof> i can hear them like 20 - 30km away
[0:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow
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[0:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if I can send packets in such a way as to modulate that
[0:59] <gurgalof> luckily most people use wifi
[0:59] <SStrife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRcaxpbYCw
[0:59] <SStrife> if the homeplug stuff didn't use encryption, you could probably sniff their traffic
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> I use wifi, homeplug and wired network??? my homeplug is generally only for hackery
[1:00] <SStrife> that would be cool,
[1:00] <kwixson__> I can't get the music player that comes with Debian Squeeze to make any noise.
[1:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I almost want to get some sort of amateur radio equipment now, just to see if I can modulate my homeplug to play music or something
[1:00] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: hows the build going?
[1:00] <fsphil> I just got 15 seconds of music from my raspberry pi :) now it's silent again
[1:00] <kwixson__> It doesn't even look as though it's playing.
[1:00] <fsphil> it really is alpha code I guess
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson__: surely you want it to play music, not make noise? You've got to insert a sound driver before it'll even think about working
[1:01] <kwixson__> Gadgetoid_Air: Sound driver?
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson__: Did you "sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835" ?
[1:01] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: screwed my image up
[1:01] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: reimaging now
[1:01] <kwixson__> Gadgetoid_Air: Um, no.
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yes, sound is a little unstable at the moment so it's not loaded by default
[1:02] <sharktamer> Is it much work to get the pi to output sound over hdmi?
[1:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have had very little success with mine, wanted to run despotify on my Pi
[1:02] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: where in the world are you?
[1:02] <Hexxeh> UK
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[1:03] <SStrife> 11PM there
[1:03] <Veryevil> midnight
[1:03] <Hexxeh> midnight
[1:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson__: try that, try playing music again, see how you go??? although whether it'll come out of HDMI, the audio port or as a series of cosmic rays is anyone's guess
[1:03] <SStrife> oh?
[1:03] <fALSO> GMT :-D
[1:03] <SStrife> daylight yime?
[1:03] <SStrife> er
[1:03] <Veryevil> BST
[1:03] <SStrife> daylight time?
[1:03] <Veryevil> British Summer Time
[1:03] <SStrife> ok
[1:03] <Veryevil> Im near Derby
[1:04] <SStrife> my silly corner of the world doesn't have daylight savings
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[1:04] <kwixson__> Gadgetoid_Air: No joy.
[1:04] <SStrife> even though over the state border, less than 200km away, they do
[1:04] <SStrife> sigh
[1:05] <kwixson__> What's weird is that the app isn't even playing. Its not like it's playing there's no audio. Play head isn't moving. No signs of life.
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[1:06] <Hexxeh> okay, got my image back, gonna mount using sshfs, because reemerging is annoyingly slow
[1:07] <Veryevil> How long till the new build is gonna be ready cos I'm gonna have to get to bed I think
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[1:08] <Hexxeh> 7-8 minutes
[1:08] <Veryevil> I'll hang about then see what the result is
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson__: you might need to install some bits 'n' bobs too
[1:10] <SStrife> had a bit of a blonde moment with the v3 image last night
[1:10] <SStrife> i was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why i couldn't run "man [something]"
[1:11] <SStrife> i searched for the "man" executable
[1:11] <SStrife> high and low
[1:11] <SStrife> dozens of times
[1:11] <SStrife> it never occurred to apt-get install man
[1:11] <SStrife> *sigh*
[1:11] <SStrife> i shouldn't pi so late into the night
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[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> SStrife: "man" is a flagrantly sexist command, you should have used woman!
[1:12] <SStrife> hahaha
[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> alias woman=man ?
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[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> What happens if you woman man??? dear??? god
[1:13] <SStrife> access violation
[1:13] <SStrife> ]
[1:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson__: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils perhaps
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[1:15] <SStrife> man woman - "Spawned child process"
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[1:17] <Hexxeh> link only took 5 minutes, nice
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[1:17] <Veryevil> sweet
[1:17] <Hexxeh> it's just installing now
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[1:20] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: returns 36061
[1:20] <Hexxeh> 8cdd
[1:20] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: can you find the enum?
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[1:20] <Hexxeh> yeah, sec
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[1:21] <Veryevil> This page lists the human readable but not the value http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glCheckFramebufferStatus.xml
[1:24] <Veryevil> every example ive seen online using the glCheckFrameBufferStatusEXT uses GL_FRAMEBUFFER_EXT instead of GL_FRAMEBUFFER
[1:24] <Veryevil> can you find the define for that and see what the differences are?
[1:25] <Hexxeh> are you looking at gles2_cmd_decoder.cc?
[1:25] <Veryevil> yeah
[1:25] <huene> oO
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[1:26] <huene> i didn't think it would be delivered this fast
[1:26] <huene> if i were sober, i'd start to play with it
[1:26] <Veryevil> it uses GL_FRAMEBUFFER but all the code ive seen elsewhere uses a GL_FRAMEBUFFER_EXT I was wondering wt the difference was
[1:26] <huene> well. i'll just wait for tomorrow
[1:27] <huene> i expected it to be "dispatched within 7 working days" on friday. ... not to be delivered already
[1:27] <plugwash> I think farnell are being deliberately pessimistic on their estimates to avoid complaints
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[1:32] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: wonder if it's because i'm missing EGL_BUFFER_SIZE, 32
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[1:32] <Veryevil> Could be
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[1:36] <Veryevil> Im off to bed. Good luck with it at least your builds are faster
[1:36] <Veryevil> I'll be bank online at 9 when i get to work
[1:36] * lars_t_h got out of the RS queue today and into the RS Paspi store. yesss
[1:38] * SpeedEvil has royal mail notice of a package being shipped.
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> So saturday pi probably
[1:39] <ReggieUK> nice
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[1:39] <SpeedEvil> Also Friday solar panel.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> 2 panels, sent at the same time.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> One arrived today.
[1:40] <ReggieUK> :)
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[1:40] <SpeedEvil> The other the royal mail decided to ship via the Isle of Man.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> (london-scotland)
[1:40] <ReggieUK> I've had bits and bobs turn up
[1:40] <ReggieUK> bluetooth dongle
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[1:40] <ReggieUK> had to punch it into installing
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[1:52] <simonlc> wait, you get mail delivered on saturdays?!
[1:53] <IT_Sean> Don't most people?
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[1:53] <simonlc> not in canada
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[1:54] <IT_Sean> silly canukistanian
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[2:32] <Hexxeh> friggle: still around?
[2:33] <kwixson__> So, some people have gotten sound to work, but nowhere that I've been able to find have I seen any comprehensive, procedural description of the process.
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[2:35] <shaulkr> modprobe snd-bcm2835
[2:35] <shaulkr> modprobe snd-pcm-oss if you want /dev/dsp
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[2:36] <shaulkr> mplayer works fine other than a small buffer and being choppy when the cpu peaks
[2:36] <shaulkr> with -ao alsa
[2:37] <kwixson__> shaulkr: I appreciate you taking time to respond, but you're assuming I know what the heck you're talking about.
[2:37] <shaulkr> :)
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[2:38] <SStrife> is this your first time using Linux?
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[2:38] <kwixson__> What I need to find is somewhere with step by step directions that gives me some sort of contex for understanding.
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[2:39] <SStrife> Sound in Linux is over-complicated at the best of times
[2:39] <SStrife> but basically
[2:39] <SStrife> sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835 - loads the device driver for the SoC's audio output
[2:40] <kwixson__> SStrife: No. I took a course in Linux some 10 years or so ago, and I was for a time a member of the local LUG, but I've never really understood the process of figuring this stuff out for myself.
[2:40] <kwixson__> SoC ?
[2:40] <SStrife> Linux has changed a lot since then :)
[2:40] <SStrife> SoC = System-on-Chip
[2:40] <SStrife> the broadcom chip at the heart of RPi
[2:40] <plugwash> the thing that sits between the ram and the PCB
[2:40] <kwixson__> Got it. Thanks.
[2:41] <kwixson__> So, I've typed that in and no sound. Now what?
[2:41] <SStrife> then the next command, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[2:42] <SStrife> loads a kernel module that connects OSS to the device driver
[2:42] <SStrife> OSS is a sound library, kind of like DirectSound on Windows
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[2:43] <kwixson__> Do I have to do these commands just once, or every time I boot up?
[2:43] <SStrife> at the moment, every time you boot
[2:44] <Hexxeh> you can use modprobe.d to make it automatic
[2:44] <SStrife> yea, that's the one
[2:44] <SStrife> i was going to say modules.conf
[2:45] <kwixson__> Okay, so I've entered both of those commands.
[2:45] <SStrife> which app are you trying to get sound from?
[2:46] <kwixson__> LXMusic, because that's one of the two apps that come installed and make sound.
[2:46] <SStrife> ok
[2:46] <SStrife> hmm
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[2:47] <SStrife> i haven't actually used that program
[2:47] <SStrife> you could try "sudo apt-get install vlc"
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[2:48] <kwixson__> It doesn't matter to me. I just want to prove that I can get sound out of the RPi.
[2:48] <SStrife> sure
[2:48] <kwixson__> Installing VLC
[2:48] <kwixson__> Good thing to have anyway.
[2:51] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5495
[2:51] <SStrife> RussIT has some joy with VLC, where LXmusic does nothing
[2:51] <SStrife> so VLC might be the ticket for you, too :)
[2:53] <kwixson__> Still installing.
[2:54] <gamegeek> hi guys
[2:54] <gamegeek> what 3D software is there on the pi atm?
[2:54] <kwixson__> Howdy.
[2:54] <SStrife> Quake3, and some OpenGL ES demos
[2:54] <gamegeek> no editors
[2:55] <gamegeek> blender or cad software
[2:55] <SStrife> editors, like 3DStudio, Maya, etc?
[2:55] <SStrife> well, no, the RAM simply isn't there
[2:55] <gamegeek> yes like that
[2:55] <kwixson__> It comes with very little installed.
[2:56] <gamegeek> but it can do quicke
[2:56] <gamegeek> quake
[2:56] <SStrife> Quake 3 uses like 64MB of RAM tops.
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[2:56] <SStrife> it's quite old
[2:56] <gamegeek> so a basic editor wodent be be a problem 1000 poligons max
[2:57] <SStrife> and it's highly optimised
[2:57] <gamegeek> quike is more intense then a n editor since texturesq
[2:57] <gamegeek> anyone want to port blender?
[2:58] <gamegeek> it uses python for almoust everything
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[2:59] <SStrife> blender requires 512MB of ram, minimum
[2:59] <SStrife> a purpose-made RPi port would be so crippled it'd be useless
[2:59] <gamegeek> wel cant we strip down alot to reduce it
[3:00] <kwixson__> Houston, we have sound.
[3:00] <SStrife> congrats! :)
[3:00] <gamegeek> basic 3D opirations, like the origenal 3D studio on dos sude be
[3:01] <SStrife> why do you want to do 3D design on a Pi though?
[3:01] <kwixson__> Now to switch back over to HDMI and see if its still working.
[3:01] <gamegeek> 3D printer
[3:02] <gamegeek> reprap to be pricice
[3:02] <kwixson__> gamegeek: You just want to run the print host on it though, right?
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[3:02] <gamegeek> nono
[3:02] <kwixson__> It's not your only computer, is it?
[3:02] <SStrife> a better solution would be to do the actual design on a proper desktop/laptop
[3:03] <gamegeek> its the idear of making a model from staret to finish with this smal thing
[3:03] <kwixson__> It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't want to do that.
[3:04] <gamegeek> why not
[3:04] <kwixson__> And I'm someone with two RepRaps and looking to embed RPi in them
[3:05] <gamegeek> embed like removing the arduino?
[3:05] <kwixson__> 'Cause the RPi is slow and it would be painful.
[3:05] <trevorman> ^
[3:05] <kwixson__> gamegeek: Eventually, sure, but for now I just need a print host.
[3:06] <trevorman> think along the lines of a Pentium 2 and only 128MB RAM
[3:06] <gamegeek> print host u mean the pc that upleods the sketch
[3:06] <kwixson__> One of these printers is going to the school where I teach and I'm not giving them my $300 computer.
[3:06] <SStrife> the Pi would be an awesome print spooler though (assuming you spool your 3D print jobs, similarly to traditional printing)
[3:06] <gamegeek> yea here ur my best example
[3:06] <kwixson__> gamegeek: Have you used a RepRap yet?
[3:07] <gamegeek> no i havent
[3:07] <gamegeek> i want one
[3:07] <gamegeek> but i dont even have a pi yet
[3:07] <gamegeek> so..
[3:07] <kwixson__> So just like an inkjet printer needs to be hooked up to a printer, so does a RepRap.
[3:08] <gamegeek> i know
[3:08] <gamegeek> but if the pi can do that
[3:08] <gamegeek> that wood be cool
[3:08] <Hexxeh> "looks like it doesn't support RGB8 and RGBA8 and we use those all over the place"
[3:08] <Hexxeh> well, looks like that's chrome shot down.
[3:08] <kwixson__> Right. The RPi can totally be that computer.
[3:09] <gamegeek> thats why im looking for a way to make ur 3D files on the rpi to
[3:09] <kwixson__> But I am going to model on a different computer and copy them over to the RPi for printing.
[3:09] <gamegeek> so it can replace the 300$ computer completly for the printer
[3:09] <SStrife> Hexxeh: :( The whole of chromium? Or just the chrome browser.
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[3:10] <Hexxeh> chromium == browser
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[3:10] <Hexxeh> you can't have chromium os without the browser working
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[3:10] <SStrife> OH
[3:10] <SStrife> chromium is the OS
[3:11] <Hexxeh> no
[3:11] <Hexxeh> chromium is the open source version of chrome
[3:11] <Hexxeh> chrome os is an OS based on chrome
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[3:11] <Hexxeh> chromium os is the open source version of chrome os
[3:11] <kwixson__> gamegeek: It's possible, but you will not like modeling on the RPi. It's hard enough on the $300 netbook.
[3:11] <Hexxeh> got it? :P
[3:11] <SStrife> right right
[3:12] <SStrife> so which part is "shot down"
[3:12] <SStrife> the whole lot, or...?
[3:12] <Hexxeh> um, all of it.
[3:12] <SStrife> ah
[3:12] <SStrife> ok
[3:12] <Hexxeh> well
[3:12] <SStrife> got it
[3:12] <Hexxeh> i've asked dom what the situation is
[3:12] <Hexxeh> why those seem to be missing
[3:12] <Hexxeh> maybe they can be added to the gles implementation
[3:12] <Hexxeh> who knows
[3:12] <SStrife> ok
[3:12] <SStrife> sorry, i was reading too much into that :P
[3:13] <gamegeek> stil if it can run quake it can hande a simple editor specialy and only for pring
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[3:14] <kwixson__> Uh oh. No sound in HDMI.
[3:15] <SStrife> you might need to force it (i forget whether you can do that in the environment, of if you need to edit config.txt)
[3:16] <gamegeek> there is sound in hdmi
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[3:16] <SStrife> i.e. force it to not output sound over the 3.5mm plug
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[3:16] <SStrife> there is some detection, i'm not sure how reliable it is
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[3:18] <kwixson__> SStrife:
[3:18] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5606
[3:18] <kwixson__> Ho do I go about forcing it?
[3:19] <SStrife> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound_does_not_work_with_a_HDMI_monitor
[3:20] <SStrife> By default output will be automatic (hdmi if hdmi supports audio, otherwise analogue). You can force it with:
[3:20] <SStrife> sudo amixer cset numid=3 <n>
[3:20] <SStrife> where n is 0=auto, 1=headphones, 2=hdmi
[3:21] <SStrife> i dont know 100% that this works
[3:21] <SStrife> i only ever use the 3.5mm output
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[3:28] <kwixson__> So I don't have to enter the mod probe comman every time, how do I automate it?
[3:28] <trevorman> gamegeek: running a game is easier than creating a model as a lot of the work was done when the game was made
[3:29] <gamegeek> look ur not handeling shaders or textures
[3:29] <gamegeek> just wireframe and simple shaded
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[3:29] <gamegeek> realy rugh stuf
[3:30] <SStrife> Hexxeh: you can use modprobe.d to make it automatic
[3:30] <gamegeek> i wood even go so far of saing the old boolean modeling
[3:30] <trevorman> and calculating all those slices is free?
[3:30] <SStrife> sorry, Hexxeh, that was a copy+paste from earlier, not a statement directed at you :)
[3:31] <trevorman> gamegeek: the CPU is pretty slow and you only have 128MB RAM
[3:31] <trevorman> if you're doing 3D then you're pretty much stuck with the 128:128 split
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[3:31] <gamegeek> yea so i dont mind going back to tron
[3:32] <trevorman> it'll work. it just won't be very fun to use as it'll swap like crazy and be slow
[3:33] <trevorman> getting something like a beagleboard would be better
[3:33] <trevorman> tons more RAM and a significantly faster CPU
[3:34] <gamegeek> what if wez use 2D stuf then and render/compile it to a 3D model
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[3:45] <kwixson__> Woohoo! Sound through HDMI!
[3:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[3:52] <kwixson__> Now I need how to figure out how to automate this stuff.
[3:53] <kwixson__> Wow, the Brits go to bed and this room gets really quiet.
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> Nice to know it can work.
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[4:01] <SStrife> congrats, kwixson__ :)
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[5:36] <SStrife> is PiBot actually running on a Pi?
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[5:51] <DaQatz> No
[5:52] <DaQatz> Would need extra pi for that.
[5:52] <SStrife> heheh
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[5:53] <DaQatz> PiBot runs on a VIA mini itx system.
[5:53] <SStrife> ah cool
[5:53] <SStrife> i'm thinking about going mini ITX for my email server
[5:54] <SStrife> it's on a mATX Core 2 Duo system at the moment
[5:54] <DaQatz> Nods
[5:55] <SStrife> should save me a bit off the ol power boll
[5:55] <SStrife> bill*
[5:56] <Xpl01t> change a powerful core 2 duo server for a pi?
[5:56] <Xpl01t> lol
[5:56] <Xpl01t> you are kidding me
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[5:56] <SStrife> no, not a pi
[5:56] <SStrife> a mini ITX
[5:56] <Xpl01t> ahhh
[5:56] <Xpl01t> lol
[5:56] <SStrife> like Intel Atom or something
[5:56] <Xpl01t> yea
[5:56] <Xpl01t> little better
[5:57] <SStrife> it used to be for transcoding
[5:57] <SStrife> but my new media player is fast enough to play MKV's directly
[5:57] <SStrife> so i can scale it right back
[5:58] <RITRedbeard> Any word on a second shipment of Pi?
[6:00] <SStrife> any news on shipment will be on the homepage
[6:00] <SStrife> i think
[6:01] <SStrife> liz keeps on top of it
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> She does a really poor job.
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> She's a food blogger.
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[6:01] <DaQatz> Yes, but this is PI
[6:01] <DaQatz> WIth raspberry filling
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[6:03] <SStrife> she can only tell is what RS/ele14 tell her
[6:03] <SStrife> tell us *
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[6:05] <SStrife> All this is to say, RITRedbeard, that nobody here knows anything! :)
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> I looked on element 14 and farnell and I can't order just express interest.
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[6:07] <des2> I know that I don't know anything, therefore I know something.
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[6:09] <SStrife> element14, you can place an order
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[6:10] <SStrife> however
[6:10] <SStrife> that just puts you on the end of the queue
[6:10] <SStrife> the net result is the same
[6:11] <SStrife> http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185
[6:11] <SStrife> you can add one to the basket and complete the checkout
[6:11] <SStrife> but it wont get you a Pi any quicker than if you fill out the EoI
[6:18] <trevorman> if you want a Pi right now then look on ebay but be prepared to spend 3x+ more for it ><
[6:18] <RITRedbeard> No thank you.
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[6:18] <RITRedbeard> I can wait.
[6:18] <RITRedbeard> I've waited a year and 3+ months now.
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[6:22] <rm> I ordered myself an Allwinner A10 device yesterday
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[6:24] <RITRedbeard> rm, where did you order it from? how much?
[6:24] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html
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[6:25] <mpthompson> rm, I have an A1000.
[6:26] <RITRedbeard> how big is it and how much power does it suck?
[6:26] <rm> which OS do you have on it?
[6:27] <mpthompson> I managed to get Debian Wheezy armhf installed on it. The problem is that the kernels are still a mess for it so I haven't been able to use it for much yet.
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[6:27] <mpthompson> There are people making good progress with it so maybe in the last few days things have improved. I haven't had time to check.
[6:28] <rm> I heard the 3.0 kernel works best
[6:29] <mpthompson> Yes, I'm using the one that was ported from Android. I think it's a 3.0 kernel.
[6:29] <rm> RITRedbeard, here are some better pics https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913
[6:29] <Xpl01t> guys which are the reasons for you to have a Pi? Are you going to make money with it? Because I dont see good justificatives about to get a Pi for fun
[6:29] <Xpl01t> if your computers are faster than Pis
[6:29] <RITRedbeard> hey rm and mpthompson do you think you could run some benchmarks?
[6:29] <rm> Xpl01t, you are a boring person with no imagination then :P
[6:29] <mpthompson> I wanted to get it to see if it could be a cheaper replacement for the iMX53's I'm using to build Raspbian with. Having a real SATA port is nice. Only 512M of memory which isn't as nice.
[6:30] <Xpl01t> rm: no i'm not... i'm thinking.. if ppl buy it just for fun, it doesnt worth
[6:30] <Xpl01t> how could you make money with a Pi?
[6:30] <rm> RITRedbeard, I don't expect mine sooner than 1month+
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[6:30] <RITRedbeard> I don't expect a Pi in 12+ months.
[6:30] <rm> RITRedbeard, I believe it's a much better bang for the buck than R Pi, though
[6:31] <Xpl01t> our computers are better than it, and we doesnt give it the right attention
[6:31] <SStrife> you're not one of those people, where nothing's worth doing unless it makes you money, are you?
[6:31] <mpthompson> RTRedbeard, I don't really have the time to play with it. On the Freenode channel #arm-netbook, there are guys there doing a lot of work with the A1000 and a number of other A10 devices.
[6:31] <Xpl01t> ppl keep thinking about Pis all day long
[6:31] <rm> ARMv7 at 1.2 GHz is massively faster, 512 RAM vs 256, real SATA, proper casing, even a remote
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> Even if Mali is significantly slower, the Cortex will wipe the floor
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> just curious to see by how much
[6:31] <Xpl01t> and doesnt realize that their computers are much better than the annoying Pi
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> Xpl01t, you're getting on my nerves.
[6:32] <RITRedbeard> Why is the Pi annoying?
[6:32] <RITRedbeard> It's a credit card sized educational computer that is barebones.
[6:32] <mpthompson> It is quite a step up from the Pi. The Pi has the mindshare right now though. Under $40 is quite a nice pricepoint for a relatively powerful full Linux system.
[6:32] <RITRedbeard> Yes.
[6:32] <RITRedbeard> mpthompson has a good point. Go look up Systems on Chips.
[6:32] <rm> Xpl01t, I want to have a desktop PC that is a credit-card sized and consumes 1 Watt while running some basic web browsing on a 1920x1080 screen. This is my idea for the Pi
[6:32] <RITRedbeard> They're all very VERY VERY expensive.
[6:33] <RITRedbeard> And I second what rm said. Thin client is my conception of what I want.
[6:33] <RITRedbeard> Mobile thin client.
[6:33] <mpthompson> If the Pi picks up traction, I bet we'll see very competitive systems from China based on the A10 within 6 months to a year. It will all be good.
[6:34] <Xpl01t> rm: if the Pi were equivalent to our computers, it would consume 50+ Watts
[6:34] <Xpl01t> and it in fact consumes 5W
[6:34] <rm> equi-...what
[6:34] <rm> it can run basic web browsing at 1W
[6:34] <RITRedbeard> It is obvious that English isn't your first language.
[6:34] <rm> or 5
[6:34] <Xpl01t> lol
[6:34] <rm> I'm not sure I asked for equivalent
[6:34] <Xpl01t> it is :P
[6:35] <RITRedbeard> Then forgive me, but you're a moron.
[6:35] <Xpl01t> but see, i can speak more than 1 lang :D
[6:35] <RITRedbeard> If you can't understand the appeal of low power ARM based systems, please go back to your Alienware and play Skyrim.
[6:35] <rm> I don't see any language issue here, tbh
[6:35] <Xpl01t> i wont to know how many of you study a foreign language
[6:35] <shirro> there are other languages?
[6:35] <shirro> TIL
[6:35] <rm> just not getting "how ARM can be almost as fast, yet consume less"
[6:35] <Xpl01t> you waste all your time waiting for the world to communicate with you in your language
[6:35] <mpthompson> I only speak American...
[6:35] <rm> and the answer is efficiency
[6:36] <Xpl01t> and i go for the search of knowledge
[6:36] <Xpl01t> i dont wait the knowledge come to me
[6:36] <RITRedbeard> Obviously not.
[6:36] <mpthompson> So do mushrooms. What's your point?
[6:36] <SStrife> Xpl01t: There's a limit to how many heads can fit in the channel, yours is taking up too much room at the moment!
[6:36] <RITRedbeard> If I had a hammer I couldn't bash into your head of the concept of low power efficient and super small thin clients.
[6:36] <haltdef> mpthompson, better known as english only slightly fucked up? :>
[6:37] <Xpl01t> equivalent exists in english, if you dont know
[6:37] <Xpl01t> it comes from "equal"
[6:37] <rm> yes it does
[6:37] <Xpl01t> see, maybe i know more words than you too :P
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[6:38] <mpthompson> RITRedbeard, is there a simple benchmark you wanted me to run on the A1000?
[6:38] <rm> but I specifically mentioned "running some basic web browsing", and you jump to the need to be "equivalent"
[6:38] <rm> ofc it wont run Crysis
[6:38] <haltdef> you have an a10 device, mpthompson?
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[6:38] <RITRedbeard> mpthompson, I'm not sure, how does the Mali stack up?
[6:38] <Xpl01t> wont run crysis
[6:38] <SStrife> It will run Q3A, which is better than Crysis in all the ways that count! :P
[6:39] <Xpl01t> and wont run many vector operations efficiently
[6:39] <shirro> mpthompson: how well does X run on the A1000?
[6:39] <Xpl01t> like in sse4+
[6:39] <rm> Q3A is an ancient proprietary game
[6:39] <rm> OpenArena is where it's at!
[6:39] <SStrife> Of course
[6:39] <rm> it's sad that OA is not being pushed by the foundation instead
[6:39] <mpthompson> I'm only looking to use the A1000 headless. I haven't even fired up X, not even with the Ubuntu image. It runs Android fine though.
[6:40] <rm> but with them making a big deal from how you can run a proprietary thin client "solution" to access a proprietary OS on a server, that's not the worst thing they do
[6:40] <RITRedbeard> rm, wait, what?
[6:40] <RITRedbeard> explain yourself, man!
[6:41] <rm> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1222 Windows 7 on a Raspberry Pi (sort of)
[6:41] <rm> "YAAAAAY". not
[6:41] <Xpl01t> windows :S
[6:41] <mpthompson> I think rm is referring to the remote windows desktop on the Pi highlighted by the foundation.
[6:41] <RITRedbeard> O______________________________O
[6:41] <RITRedbeard> It is official: the Foundation is pants-on-head retarded.
[6:41] <SStrife> I ran Windows 3.11 in DOSBox
[6:41] <SStrife> on Po
[6:41] <SStrife> Pi*
[6:41] <rm> they do not care about also promoting Free Software with the R Pi
[6:41] <rm> at all
[6:41] <RITRedbeard> It seems you are correct.
[6:41] <shirro> Actually I agree. There are lots of things I would want to put on the front page that are more inline with the supposed aims of the Pi. Think client to Win7 isn't one of them
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[6:42] <RITRedbeard> and yeah, why don't they compile open arena to Pi?
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[6:42] <mpthompson> I gotta agree with you guys there. Not a smooth move. However, I'm willing to cut everyone some slack every once in a while.
[6:42] <shirro> more to the point it has f-all to do with learning programming or hardware. thin client is even more off target than xbmc and quake
[6:43] <RITRedbeard> I'm thinking I'm just going to not buy a Pi out of principle.
[6:43] <Xpl01t> guys, just realize that the Pi is for kiddies
[6:43] <Xpl01t> at schools
[6:43] <shirro> it is a general purpose computing device so it can do everything any other general purpose computing device can do (only worse than most). We get it. How about getting back to the main program.
[6:43] <RITRedbeard> Like yourself, Xpl01t?
[6:44] <Xpl01t> what you are going to do with your Pis, you can actually do with your wireless routers
[6:44] <mpthompson> I would like to use it as it's intended, to teach my 10 year old son about programming. I could do it with a PC, but there are so many distractions on such a system.
[6:44] <Xpl01t> run a torrent client
[6:44] <Xpl01t> in ARM processor...
[6:44] <rm> nah, I'm still going to get one if I can around the advertised price + sane shipping (which doesn't look likely anytime soon)
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[6:44] <Xpl01t> that exists from a long time ago, if you didnt know it :P
[6:44] <RITRedbeard> rm, we should wait 2 years
[6:44] <rm> if I can get it at around *
[6:44] <RITRedbeard> Xpl01t, if only doctors found a way to reverse lobotomies.
[6:44] <rm> so I also ordered the Mele A1000
[6:44] <SStrife> torrent client?
[6:44] <SStrife> hahaha
[6:44] <Xpl01t> RITRedbeard: respect me, i'm in master degree :D
[6:45] <shirro> Xpl01t: I'll take fries with my order
[6:45] <Xpl01t> i can run even python in my router
[6:45] <RITRedbeard> Every grad student I met is a moron.
[6:45] <Xpl01t> anything
[6:45] <RITRedbeard> So yeah, I'll take fries with that.
[6:45] <Xpl01t> asus launched a 1 GB ram router
[6:45] <Xpl01t> and the Pi is just 256 mb ????
[6:45] <rm> Xpl01t, they are not hack friendly and do not come with an HDMI output
[6:46] <rm> also that router would be $200+
[6:46] <Xpl01t> they are
[6:46] <Xpl01t> you can run linux easily
[6:46] <mpthompson> rm, be warned. The guys at #arm-netbook are not very friendly towards the Pi. At least some of them are very vocal open source fanatics and the Pi with proprietary GPU doesn't cut it with them.
[6:46] <rm> and won't play video :)
[6:46] <Xpl01t> so they become friendly
[6:46] <RITRedbeard> Grad student translates into "I'm too lazy to find a job"
[6:46] <rm> whatever
[6:46] <Xpl01t> yea
[6:46] <rm> * [rm] (rm@fsf/member/rm): rm rm
[6:46] <Xpl01t> the router is 200 and doesnt have HDMI
[6:46] <RITRedbeard> There is #arm-netbook?
[6:47] <Xpl01t> as the Pi doesnt have wifi at all lol
[6:47] <RITRedbeard> Hot damn, how come I didn't know about this?
[6:47] <Xpl01t> and not multiple ethernet
[6:47] <Xpl01t> if you want more, you need to waste more watts
[6:47] <Xpl01t> and buy equip
[6:47] <mpthompson> #arm-netbook is the channel on Freenode where there are a bunch of people working on A10 devices such as the Mele A1000.
[6:47] <Xpl01t> so it would cost 200 too
[6:47] <rm> Xpl01t, routers are not a Pi alternative for most tasks
[6:47] <rm> the Mele A1000 on the other hand can be
[6:47] <Xpl01t> it depends
[6:47] <Xpl01t> if you are a terminal guy
[6:47] <Xpl01t> so routers are very nice
[6:48] <Xpl01t> if you want to use X, so go for the Pi
[6:48] <mpthompson> The A1000 would make a very nice Pi replacement once the kernel is sorted out for desktop computing.
[6:48] <Xpl01t> you can run whatever you want in a router
[6:48] <Xpl01t> even webservers
[6:48] <Xpl01t> mailservers
[6:48] <Xpl01t> programs
[6:48] <RITRedbeard> blarghablarg blarg
[6:48] <shirro> As far as education is concerned a common hardware platform, with a community and a range of compatible hardware is much more important than being the latest coolest thing out of China.
[6:49] <mpthompson> The cost is double, but still very reasonable.
[6:49] <Xpl01t> but you will only have text mode output
[6:49] <mpthompson> shirro, very true.
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[6:49] <rm> mpthompson, what's wrong with the kernel at the moment?
[6:49] <RITRedbeard> Xpl01t, stay away from the methamphetamines.
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[6:49] <Xpl01t> RITRedbeard: drugs? are you from europe, right?
[6:50] <SStrife> one ethernet port? no wifi? well, there go my dreams of using Pi as an access point. may as well kill myself now :-/
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> No.
[6:50] <Xpl01t> if so, you country/continent is the world's leader in drugs export
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> Europe is a ghetto.
[6:50] <shirro> But a ghetto with culture
[6:50] <Xpl01t> if you would come with YOUR methamphetamines to my country
[6:50] <Xpl01t> you would be jailed
[6:50] <mpthompson> Well, there seem to be about 2 or 3 versions of the kernel with various things working. They haven't been integrated into a single kernel yet with everything working. As far as I know.
[6:50] <Xpl01t> and sentenced to death
[6:50] <Xpl01t> or get life in prison
[6:50] <SStrife> oh no, someone is carrying a SUBSTANCE
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> Culture?
[6:50] <SStrife> better arrest them
[6:51] <SStrife> they might be TUUURRRRISTS
[6:51] <Xpl01t> lol
[6:51] <RITRedbeard> Crap music and old buildings hardly qualify as culture.
[6:51] <Xpl01t> ok guys i need to finalize a chapter of my thesis
[6:51] <Xpl01t> go have fun with your pis
[6:51] <mpthompson> What's the command in chat to silence a particular person... Xploit is getting old very quickly...
[6:51] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, what is your thesis about?
[6:51] <Xpl01t> better: invisible Pis by now.....
[6:51] <RITRedbeard> Having sex with your mother?
[6:51] <Xpl01t> cryptography
[6:51] <SStrife> Xpl01t's Thesis: How not to make friends and influence people.
[6:51] <Xpl01t> id-based cryptography
[6:52] <RITRedbeard> Snore.
[6:52] <mpthompson> RITRedbeard: Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
[6:52] <RITRedbeard> dis fool be trollin', yo
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[6:53] <RITRedbeard> it's probably the same guy who said he was drunk and killed someone
[6:53] <astom> hahaha
[6:53] <Xpl01t> lol dont make me laugh.. last month i was in a conference with victor miller, neal koblitz and tal rabin
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[6:53] <manizzle> hey guys
[6:53] <SStrife> And they were like "Who's that stoner in the back? Can't we have him ejected?"
[6:53] <RITRedbeard> Yeah and I'm working for the NSA.
[6:53] <RITRedbeard> What's your point?
[6:54] <RITRedbeard> If Sean had any sense he'd put some of us on the access list.
[6:54] <Xpl01t> you wouldnt work even for the foundation that cant produce more than 10k Pis
[6:54] <Xpl01t> but victor miller yea, he works for the NSA
[6:54] <Xpl01t> he discovered elliptic curve cryptography
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[6:55] <Xpl01t> and enhanced the weil and tate bilinear pairing
[6:55] <Xpl01t> cya
[6:55] <RITRedbeard> Die.
[6:55] <SStrife> Ah, NSA, the retarded cousin of the FBI and CIA
[6:55] <RITRedbeard> Preferably in a car fire.
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[6:56] <Xpl01t> the monkey that doesnt speak english as first lang are going to study, while the clever ppl will discuss computer for kiddies
[6:56] <SStrife> About as useful as the TSA
[6:56] <RITRedbeard> SStrife, what makes you say that?
[6:57] <SStrife> Sorry, that's giving the TSA too much credit
[6:57] <SStrife> As an outsider, it seems like there's a lot of overlap in what those three agencies do
[6:57] <manizzle> so i am trying to put the newest archlinux version onto my rp, doesnt seem to be booting. i dont have a monitor so i am trying to just ssh into it. i am trying to edit the ssh configurations on my sd card before the card boots up. i wasnt sure if partition table was correct or something because there is one fat drive at partition #1 and another "Linux" drive on partition #2, is it just some fs i dont recognize or did the cop
[6:57] <manizzle> ying of the original image to the sd become corrupt?
[6:58] <SStrife> and from what I can tell, NSA is kind of redundant
[6:58] <manizzle> http://pastie.org/private/ooo11iyvqyxwdqx8cihmjq
[6:58] <urata> isnt NSA kinda the techie agency/
[6:58] <urata> ?
[6:58] <SStrife> TSA is just a bailout package for companies that manufacture nude xray machines :P
[6:59] <astom> manizzle: the image is ok
[6:59] <astom> I tried it yesterday
[6:59] <manizzle> that is my fdisk for my sdcard i am trying to boot, then how should i edit the config on my ssh? cause i am not sure sshd or dhcpd is running to get an ip or the interface is on cause no ip for long time
[6:59] <manizzle> what should i try next?
[7:00] <SStrife> urata: Yeah, it seems that way
[7:01] <urata> I would prefer the fed be as dismantled as possible.
[7:01] <SStrife> but I can't see where that fits, in a way that doesn't double up on what the CIA and FBI do
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[7:01] <SStrife> i.e. the task NSA does could, i reckon, be absorbed into one of the other two
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[7:01] <SStrife> Yeah, I have no issue with "big government" but what the US has is huuuuuuuuuuuges
[7:01] <SStrife> -s
[7:02] <manizzle> like i can mount the initial sdd1 drive
[7:02] <manizzle> and i see all those config files
[7:02] <urata> you're probably right, I think the NSA probably has special rights or something though. like they don't have to play by the same rules as the FBI and CIA.
[7:02] <manizzle> but i cant edit main image, astom ?
[7:02] <shirro> The CIA is about foreign intelligence and the FBI is about law enforcement, The NSA is about building a future police state for a post-democratic USA
[7:02] <urata> heh
[7:02] <SStrife> hehe
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[7:03] <SStrife> yeah, the productive work that the NSA does, could be done by FBI/CIA/private enterprise
[7:03] <SStrife> the monitoring gestapo rubbish belongs in the trash with Xpl01t
[7:03] <urata> it's all fun and games until you're sitting in an undisclosed location.
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[7:03] <SStrife> black bag on your hear
[7:03] <SStrife> head*
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[7:05] <RITRedbeard> So you're bitching about an organization's spending when you're a civilian and totally glossing over the other expenses incurred
[7:05] <RITRedbeard> that's like people bitching about NASA
[7:05] <RITRedbeard> I love people who complain about NASA
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[7:05] <SStrife> I <3 NASA
[7:05] <RITRedbeard> It's like a system to let you know how ignorant they are
[7:05] <SStrife> i visited the Kennedy Space Centre when I was in the USA last year
[7:06] <SStrife> i felt like a kid again
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[7:06] <urata> I'm not sure how I feel about NASA.
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[7:06] <SStrife> it was magical
[7:06] <RITRedbeard> a foreign civilian, at that
[7:06] <SStrife> i dont care about spending
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[7:06] <urata> They spend a lot of money, and they've screwed a lot of shit up. But they've also done some really amazing things.
[7:06] <SStrife> i'm concerned more about the lack of accountability
[7:06] <SStrife> or at least
[7:06] <SStrife> what I hear is a lack of accountability
[7:07] <SStrife> i'm sure there's a lot I don't hear about, as a result of not living there
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[7:07] <SStrife> which is why i said, the productive work they do, research and what have you, could be done by someone else
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[7:08] <SStrife> someone without a shroud of legislation keeping it all secret
[7:08] <shirro> NASA is amazing. As a non-US person if you don't want them we would be proud to take them
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> You don't know what productive work they do.
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> You will never know what work they do.
[7:08] <manizzle> if i boot a disk image with qemu
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[7:08] <manizzle> will it modify the image afterwards?
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> In the event that you find out, you will be censured or probably detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> So it's impossible to say anything like that.
[7:09] <SStrife> ???and what's good about that?
[7:09] <SStrife> knowing something can get you incarcerated without a trial
[7:09] <SStrife> sounds horrible.
[7:09] <RITRedbeard> They deal with national security, what do you expect?
[7:10] <SStrife> ..and from what i understand, they do work concerning development of encryption techniques, and of breaking encryption.
[7:10] <urata> Human Rights
[7:10] <SStrife> as a function of "national security"
[7:10] <RITRedbeard> You have no rights.
[7:10] <urata> whatever
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[7:11] <SStrife> not that our government is any better.
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[7:11] <SStrife> i'm not saying ANY of this from a "my country is better than your country, boo USA" perspective
[7:11] <SStrife> so theres no need to be defensive
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[7:12] <SStrife> i have concerns about any amassment of authority and intelligence that doesn't have some degree of accountability
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> I'm not. It's just hard to speculate "what they do is redundant" because unless you have security clearence you will never know
[7:12] <SStrife> that can work without warrants
[7:12] <SStrife> i don't think what they do is redundant
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> the redundant organization that does security is Homeland Security
[7:13] <SStrife> i think what they do could be done elsewhere, without so much hush hush
[7:13] <SStrife> some of what they do&
[7:13] <SStrife> *
[7:13] <SStrife> arhj
[7:13] <SStrife> my hand fell asleep, now i cant type so good
[7:13] <jamesglanville1> 3d printed r-pi cases for sale :) http://i.imgur.com/rt9W6.jpg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270976055381?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 if you're interested, purple/blue/pink :)
[7:14] <SStrife> and boy, homeland security
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> If I wanted to make fun of your country I would say something about you not having any rights at face value and the ridiculous amount of political correctness in your media.
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> Presuming you live in the UK.
[7:14] <SStrife> no, worse
[7:14] <SStrife> Aus.
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> Do you get carded when you buy silverware sets?
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[7:14] <RITRedbeard> Because they have butter knives in them?
[7:15] <SStrife> but i've heard it all, and i'm already plenty ashamed of some of the stupid things our government does
[7:15] <SStrife> no
[7:15] <SStrife> butter knives, no
[7:15] <SStrife> any other kind of knife though
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> How about a nice steak knife?
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> Ah.
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> That's depressing.
[7:15] <urata> you shouldnt be ashamed of your government.
[7:15] <SStrife> they usually don't bother, if you're buying a cutlery set, which happens to contain steak knives
[7:16] <SStrife> but generally if you go to a knife store
[7:16] <SStrife> yeah
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[7:16] <SStrife> "got any ID?"
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> You should be ashamed of your government but proud of your country.
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[7:16] <RITRedbeard> No worries, I got carded in NY state for buying a BBQ lighter... I was getting candles for a romantic night.
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> I did a double take when I was asked... this was in a K-Mart.
[7:17] <urata> I love my little chunk of the country
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[7:17] <SStrife> yeah, you'll get carded for anything that could start a fire
[7:17] <SStrife> less likely at a supermarket
[7:17] <SStrife> but anywhere else, they generally keep the matches, lighters, etc behind the counter with the smokes
[7:18] <RITRedbeard> Is Aus insanely poltically correct like UK?
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[7:18] <RITRedbeard> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9253250/Rochdale-grooming-trial-Police-accused-of-failing-to-investigate-paedophile-gang-for-fear-of-appearing-racist.html
[7:18] <SStrife> not quite that bad
[7:18] <RITRedbeard> Even the article is poltically correct. Asian rape gang?
[7:19] <SStrife> but it wouldn't surprise me if we ended up there before too long
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> "Kabeer Hassan, Qamar Shahzad and Abdul Rauf..."
[7:19] <RITRedbeard> Pretty sure those are Middle Eastern and Arabic.
[7:19] <haltdef> stuff like that just pisses me off
[7:19] <jamesglanville1> nobody wants r-pi cases, grr to you all :)
[7:19] <SStrife> our media likes to gloss over stuff like that though
[7:20] <haltdef> we should be deporting them, I don't give a shit whether it appears racist or not
[7:20] <SStrife> it won't be on the front page, because the latest DANCING WITH THE "STARS" or whatever is more important, apparently.
[7:20] <haltdef> break our laws, off you go
[7:20] <RITRedbeard> haltdef, you familiar with the story?
[7:20] <SStrife> rampaging rape gang? nah, page 5, gotta see of X got voted off
[7:20] <urata> the state I live in has apparently a bad reputation for human trafficking, which I didn't know until recently because it never gets reported in the media.
[7:20] <urata> Oregon
[7:21] <SStrife> Eugene Oregon?
[7:22] <urata> Salem, but I was born near Eugene
[7:22] <SStrife> neat!
[7:22] <SStrife> i only know one place in Oregon because of http://tgakick.com
[7:22] <RITRedbeard> Nice place to visit, so I hear.
[7:24] <urata> kickstarter is rad
[7:24] <SStrife> kickstarter hates me???. wants me to be poor SO BAD
[7:26] <urata> i'm poor enough
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[7:26] <urata> they've got some good voice talent
[7:29] <SStrife> yeah
[7:29] <SStrife> that sold it for me.
[7:29] <SStrife> i went for the $150 tier
[7:29] <SStrife> sweet t-shirt, big-box format game package,
[7:30] <urata> you think it's gonna reach it's goal/
[7:30] <SStrife> i think so
[7:31] <SStrife> the Leisure Suit Larry remake one didn't reach their target till a few days before the thing ended
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> Hahaha.
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> Should port them to this platform.
[7:32] <RITRedbeard> Why does the Foundation hate open source software?
[7:32] <SStrife> i think maybe they don't really "get it"
[7:33] <SStrife> their vision seems to be one of the BBC Micro
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> The what?
[7:33] <SStrife> "open source" didnt really exist
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[7:33] <SStrife> you shared the code, that's all there was
[7:33] <SStrife> you don't remember/know of the BBC Micro?
[7:34] <SStrife> it was the computer that pretty much sparked the microcomputer rage of the 80s in the UK
[7:34] <SStrife> its development was funded by the BBC
[7:34] <SStrife> and it tied in to a TV show on the BBC about programming computers
[7:34] <mpthompson> I think SStrife is right, the foundation folks don't really get open or free software, at least in a modern sense. Particularly the responsibilities that come with it if.
[7:35] <mpthompson> As has been said before, too many people see free software as in "free beer" rather than "free speech".
[7:35] <RITRedbeard> I live in North America.
[7:36] <SStrife> yeah, still.
[7:37] <urata> I don't really "get it" either. Why do you say they hate open source software/
[7:37] <SStrife> I don't know that they "hate" it, but they certainly don't seem to grasp the importance of it in what they're doing
[7:38] <mpthompson> SStrife, agree with you again.
[7:38] <SStrife> Linux is the soul of Pi, but my impression is that to the Foundation, Linux is just the means to an end
[7:38] <Dagger2> yeah, they seem to have a "who cares if you have the source so long as you can use it" attitude
[7:38] <Dagger2> which is unfortunate when their stated goal is education
[7:38] <urata> like android?
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[7:39] <SStrife> a bit like that
[7:39] <SStrife> Android is not much more than "an alternative to iOS"
[7:39] <SStrife> to most
[7:39] <SStrife> when in reality, it's much more than that
[7:39] <mpthompson> Well, if you are referring to the binary blobs, I think their hands are tied. But, they don't seem to be putting a lot of importance around honoring the responsibilities that come with distributing Linux images regarding the licenses and such.
[7:40] <RITRedbeard> Why didn't they take the time to port Open Arena?
[7:40] <RITRedbeard> Should take all of half an hour.
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[7:41] <SStrife> i didn't think the foundation did that, at least not in the first instance..?
[7:43] <SStrife> didn't "just some guy" compile Q3A, which the foundation then pimped?
[7:43] <SStrife> (i.e. they pimped the footage)
[7:44] <Dagger2> mpthompson: I was... I haven't been paying much attention the past few months, so I don't know what they've been doing/not doing with the images
[7:44] <RITRedbeard> That's foolish. If you're trying to show how low power and high performance something is, you should like take the time to do a good job.
[7:44] <RITRedbeard> Or not show anything at all.
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[7:45] <mpthompson> Basically, when you distribute Linux images you need to observe the licenses of the software on the images. I many cases, those licenses mandate that the source code be made available to the binaries that are on the image. This can be done in many ways.
[7:45] <urata> it's frame rate was too low to be playable anyways. but I bet it'd play quake 1 very well.
[7:45] <RITRedbeard> They didn't port it right.
[7:45] <urata> but "they" didn't even do it.
[7:46] <mpthompson> By ignoring that aspect of what they are distributing, it doesn't set a good president and leaves a foul taste in the mouths of people who are free sofware advocates. Those are people the foundation is relying on to provide key pieces of software.
[7:46] <RITRedbeard> They were too lazy to do it themselves.
[7:46] <RITRedbeard> mpthompson, can gpl be denied to them for not honoring it?
[7:47] <Dagger2> mpthompson: for that, I (as an end-user) would be happy with them pointing to the upstream sources, so long as the foundation only compiled them without making any changes
[7:47] <mpthompson> If someone wanted to make a big stink about it I it seems it would be possible. There are bigger fish to fry and it wouldn't look to good for the person that did though. Not an educational foundation.
[7:47] <RITRedbeard> I think it would be hilarious if the Foundation was on some exclusion list.
[7:47] <Dagger2> I'm not sure if that actually satisfies the license, but I don't especially mind getting the same tarball from server A as opposed to server B
[7:48] <RITRedbeard> They're not exactly an educational foundation though, right? That's the reason they can't accept donations.
[7:48] <mpthompson> The problem is that by pointing upstream they are breaking the licenses which are pretty clear that if you distribute binaries, you have certain responsiblities with regards to the source code.
[7:49] <urata> free software advocates have a bad taste in their mouths about debian's policies...
[7:49] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/106
[7:49] <SStrife> it just says "we" did it
[7:50] <urata> yeah it does.
[7:51] <SStrife> And since there's no other information, I assume "we" means Eben and ???
[7:51] <RITRedbeard> ???
[7:51] <mpthompson> Personally, not a stickler, but there are many who are and they can cause problems down the line for the foundation. However, as I said, it would certainly look bad.
[7:51] <SStrife> somebody
[7:51] <RITRedbeard> Wait, she is in the band We Might Be Giants?
[7:52] <SStrife> she is?
[7:52] <urata> if i get a rpi i'm going to need a new monitor. or an old tv.
[7:52] <RITRedbeard> "Liz is also a food blogger, an award-winning freelance writer and a freelance editor. She has a background in educational publishing. Liz is responsible for all the They Might Be Giants lyrics"
[7:53] <SStrife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Might_Be_Giants
[7:53] <SStrife> no "liz" mentioned on here
[7:54] <SStrife> in fact, not a single female is mentioned
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[7:54] <SStrife> hah, interesting
[7:54] <RITRedbeard> Then how is she the chief lyricist?
[7:55] <RITRedbeard> Did they lie?
[7:55] <shirro> waiting for msm to quote wikipedia and create a source so we can add a citation for that
[7:55] <SStrife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_(They_Might_Be_Giants_album)
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[7:56] <SStrife> she's nowhere to be seen!?
[7:57] <RITRedbeard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_(They_Might_Be_Giants_album)#Personnel
[7:57] <RITRedbeard> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/author/liz
[7:57] <shirro> footnote 10: The Australian, May 2012 (quoting an unnamed source) "Liz wrote all the TMBG lyrics"
[7:57] <RITRedbeard> Liz is also a food blogger, an award-winning freelance writer and a freelance editor. She has a background in educational publishing. Liz is responsible for all the They Might Be Giants lyrics which mysteriously found their way into Learning and Teaching Scotland's online material, and bakes a mean flapjack
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[7:58] <RITRedbeard> Sorry?
[7:58] <RITRedbeard> Does not compute.
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[7:58] <SStrife> She is responsible for plagiarising lyrics in "Learning and Teaching Scotland" in their online material
[7:58] <SStrife> i think is what that means
[7:59] <urata> heh
[7:59] <shirro> They have special license agreements for that sort of thing now
[7:59] <RITRedbeard> What?
[7:59] <RITRedbeard> So why is that worthy of any mention?
[7:59] * RITRedbeard blinks.
[7:59] <SStrife> beats me
[7:59] <shirro> It is supposed to be amusing I think. Some sort of in joke
[8:00] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi Foundation: inept in more ways than one!
[8:02] <urata> chinese people will probably hit the price point in full production first. with a touchscreen on top of it.
[8:03] <RITRedbeard> :(
[8:03] <RITRedbeard> I have a confession.
[8:03] <RITRedbeard> I don't like touchscreens.
[8:03] <urata> me either.
[8:04] <urata> i prefer buttons, especially for typing words
[8:05] <urata> i prefer an old LG flip phone to a smart phone for texting.
[8:06] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure why the industry has a hard on for touchscreens
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[8:07] <urata> you just code a keyboard instead of building one
[8:07] <urata> and people like them
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[8:08] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[8:08] <RITRedbeard> We don't like them.
[8:08] <shirro> wimps devolved us from using language to the equivalent of pointing at things with a stick. Touch is the next step backwards to before we picked up tools. I kind of like it though for casual browsing, reading and games. Great for kids as well.
[8:09] <urata> well, we're in an IRC chat room.
[8:09] <SStrife> i dont mind them, for the odd SMS or URL entry
[8:09] <urata> mass market people chat on facebook
[8:09] <SStrife> if i want to type a document or something, i have a laptop
[8:09] <RITRedbeard> MMP, huh?
[8:09] <urata> or whatver you wanna call them
[8:09] <urata> sheeple
[8:10] <RITRedbeard> My colorful vocabulary would probably get me banned from this channel.
[8:10] <urata> touchscreens will get better
[8:10] <RITRedbeard> So I think sheeple or tools is fine. :)
[8:10] <urata> hehehe
[8:10] <RITRedbeard> Please don't leave it up to me to call them anything.
[8:10] <RITRedbeard> Please!
[8:10] <SStrife> "normies"
[8:10] <RITRedbeard> The furthest I think I'm allowed to go is "morons".
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[8:11] <urata> SStrife, that's what 12 steppers call everyone else
[8:11] <shirro> I like to have access to a variety of tech. Monocultures suck. Touch has its place for times you couldn't be fscked lugging a keyboard around
[8:12] <urata> I like my netbook for typing. I'm tempted to buy a usb numpad for it though.
[8:12] <shirro> I'm not going to give up vim for a touch screen though
[8:12] <RITRedbeard> Me too, don't get me wrong.
[8:12] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, exactly.
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[8:12] <urata> i don't use vim
[8:13] <urata> if I can avoid it
[8:13] <RITRedbeard> Do you cat and echo to file?
[8:13] <urata> i'm what you might call a windows refugee
[8:13] <urata> i use gedit
[8:13] * RITRedbeard gasps
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> You originated in Windowsland?
[8:14] <urata> dos
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> That's my background, too.
[8:14] <urata> err 3.1
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> Just force yourself to use vim for two weeks for code.
[8:14] <RITRedbeard> You should be enlightened by that time.
[8:14] <shirro> gedit is ok. I tried to use it for awhile. I like to have two editors - vim and something GUI - not gvim :-)
[8:15] <urata> I am still mostly a windows user actually
[8:15] <shirro> I like Sublime Text for the editor I don't do anything much with at the moment (but if I did I am sure it would be great)
[8:15] <SStrife> <-- uses TextWrangler
[8:16] <RITRedbeard> urata, same here.
[8:16] <SStrife> I use a Mac.
[8:16] <RITRedbeard> I plan migration soon.
[8:16] * gordonDrogon uses vim ...
[8:16] <shirro> Sublime Text runs everywhere and it is Aussie made (like all the good stuff). Quite nice on a Mac.
[8:16] <RITRedbeard> Chopper Reid is also aussie. :)
[8:17] <shirro> You have better gangsters?
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[8:17] <RITRedbeard> Nah.
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[8:18] <SStrife> ugh, can he be banned?
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[8:20] <RITRedbeard> lol but he is in graduate school getting masters lololololol
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> My experience with graduate students has been less than stellar.
[8:21] <RITRedbeard> Although he is a bonafide troll.
[8:22] <urata> i'm on the honr roll at my community college ;)
[8:22] <urata> and i spelled honor wrong
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[8:22] <SStrife> you still spelled honour wrong :P
[8:22] <urata> or honour for the UK people.
[8:22] <shirro> you still splt it wrong
[8:22] <SStrife> timing :D
[8:22] <urata> hehe
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[8:27] <urata> what brand of linux do we like around here?
[8:28] <RITRedbeard> Debian flavored?
[8:28] <urata> sure
[8:28] <SStrife> Raspberry flavoured Debian :)
[8:28] <urata> I'm using sabayon, which I think is gentoo, which is debian/
[8:29] <urata> ?
[8:29] <SStrife> Raspbian
[8:29] <SStrife> if you mean for non-Pi computers
[8:29] <urata> i liked puppy, but found it to be too unstable
[8:29] <SStrife> then, I like Ubuntu
[8:30] <SStrife> mainly because so many people use it, so it's easy to find solutions to problems
[8:30] <SStrife> but for the Pi, Raspbian
[8:30] <SStrife> debian armhf, but for our fruitcakes! :)
[8:31] <urata> i am messing with debian squeeze as well, but it's hard to get things running well
[8:31] <SStrife> yep
[8:31] <SStrife> software floating-point
[8:31] <shirro> anything with dpkg and apt-get is better than the alternatives for me. no particular allegiance beyond that. Would rather use a Mac or Windows than rpm
[8:32] <SStrife> the redhat-derived distros have yum now
[8:33] <SStrife> which is nearly syntactically the same as apt-get
[8:33] <shirro> could be talked into something that was ports-like (gentoo, arch, a bsd) but only on fast hardware
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[8:33] <RITRedbeard> yum yum yum yum!
[8:34] <RITRedbeard> apt-get aptitude
[8:34] <SStrife> i know it's a silly name
[8:34] <RITRedbeard> apt-get brain
[8:34] <SStrife> but it works well enough
[8:34] <SStrife> I use Trixbox for my SIP trunk at home
[8:34] <SStrife> which is build on CentOS
[8:34] <SStrife> so it uses yum
[8:34] <SStrife> and i never had any problems with it
[8:34] <SStrife> "yum install build-essential"
[8:35] <shirro> don't mind ipkg/opkg as well. find everything on the red hat side of the fence a complete mess. more dll hell than windows at its worst
[8:35] <SStrife> well, i'm headed home
[8:35] <SStrife> talk to yas later :)
[8:36] <urata> by SStrife
[8:36] <RITRedbeard> later man
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[8:45] <jardiamj> I was trying to build OpenELEC but it stopped with this:
[8:45] <jardiamj> make[1]: Warning: File `Makefile.in' has modification time 2.8e+04 s in the future
[8:45] <jardiamj> Regenerating Makefiles...
[8:46] <jardiamj> it just keeps repeating that over and over..
[8:47] <RITRedbeard> nohup make >:|
[8:49] <jardiamj> to avoid hang up?
[8:49] <jardiamj> will that let the build to finish?
[8:50] <RITRedbeard> no
[8:50] <RITRedbeard> it will just keep repeating
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> so I wouldn't have noticed until I read the output
[8:51] <RITRedbeard> doesn't sound like it's hanging up so much as the makefile is messed up
[8:53] <jardiamj> I thought you were responding to what I wrote...
[8:53] <jardiamj> what are you doing RITRedbeard
[8:53] <jardiamj> ?
[8:54] <RITRedbeard> I am debating what project I should work on next.
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[8:56] <jardiamj> any idea why my build of OpenELEC doesn't finish?
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[8:56] <RITRedbeard> I don't know what OpenELEC is.
[8:56] <jardiamj> I'm following the instructions from here: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi
[8:58] <RITRedbeard> You want to run XMBC?
[9:00] <jardiamj> I'm doing it just as a learning experience, don't really need it..
[9:00] <jardiamj> I just want to test things out...
[9:00] <RITRedbeard> It is my understanding that it doesn't actually work yet.
[9:00] <RITRedbeard> So I have no idea.
[9:00] <RITRedbeard> They probably didn't do the makefile correctly.
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[9:01] <jardiamj> that's what I was thinking... I think I'll go to the forums and see if there are any posts about it there
[9:01] <RITRedbeard> Sorry I can't be of more assistance.
[9:01] <jardiamj> the search in the forums doesn't work, that's been bothering me lately...
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[9:07] <shaulkr> ha
[9:07] <shaulkr> OSX on a Pi
[9:08] <mjr> Apple will sue you
[9:08] <shaulkr> Somehow i doubt they'd care if I ran a 10 year old version of OSX in a 7 year old emulator
[9:08] <shaulkr> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/15468990.png/
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[9:12] <mjr> Oh Apple cares. They'll sue anyone on principle.
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[9:14] <shaulkr> They didn't sue seppel when he wrote PearPC
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[9:18] <Dagger2> http://www.seattlerex.com/seattle-rex-vs-apple-the-verdict-is-in/ is a relevant link for that
[9:20] <Dagger2> although technically they're not sueing in that case, but rather defending a lawsuit, without a leg to stand on, at great cost to themselves when they could have fixed his MBP at Nvidia's expense
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[9:28] <shirro> Oh, damn. Hope OS X on Pi doesn't hit the front page. Now we have ex-IBM mainframe people, Risc-os users, XBMC people, Quake players, Windows 7 users, Windows 8 fans and everyone who every used an 8bit micro queueing up for a Pi. And to top it off we are going to have Apple fanbois now. Nooooooo!
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> And a BASIC interpreter writer :)
[9:31] <shirro> Yeah, but you aren't going to complain about the choice of fonts on the Pi ad-infinitum or how the pcb should have had rounded corners
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[9:32] <gordonDrogon> nah. that's just a waste of time.
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> if I want rounded corners on my Pi, I'll take a file to it ... :)
[9:32] <shirro> I still have drill holes in mine to mount it properly
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> and there's just one font in my basic and of someone wants another, they can design it themselves :)
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[9:33] <gordonDrogon> not sure there's room to drill holes...
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> the "case" I have uses slots in the mounting pillars to hold the board in-place.
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> you can see them here: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/pi_dev.jpg
[9:34] <shirro> yeah, I want the skpang with breadboard. hard to justify postage though
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea how some of the other cases hold the Pi in...
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[9:34] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yea, your half a world away...
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[9:35] <gordonDrogon> there must be some hobby shops down under who can make this stuff though?
[9:35] <shirro> funny, I order would order from us or hk without thought but uk seems so much further away
[9:35] <Veryevil> Morning All
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> I did actually look at a laser currer for acrylic sheets - ?1500 for an A4 sized one...
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> you should be able to recoup the costs of that fairly quickly if you can identify an outlet...
[9:36] <Veryevil> you could buy a 3d printer for less
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> slower though.
[9:36] <shirro> I very nearly bought a big sheet of acrylic on the weekend but I know it would look crap after I sawed it up and gave it a rough sand
[9:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, the laser cutters have come along a long way now.
[9:37] <shirro> I looked at laser cutting services locally but they all seemed oriented at signage etc
[9:37] <pjm> gordonDrogon do u have drawing of the case you need? I have been looking at building something for my rpi board too
[9:37] <pjm> and i have a cnc mill at home that can help
[9:37] <gordonDrogon> pjm, hi - I don't need a case - I got one, thanks...
[9:38] <pjm> i think the slotted pillar method is probably the only realistic way to go
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> it makes it bigger overall though.
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> but I'm not sure that's a real problem!
[9:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: It makes it vesa mountable, too, doesn't it?
[9:39] <pjm> lol yes exactly, i might try a tight fitting case around the entire board, with some air holes etc
[9:39] <shirro> I think I might get the red pang one with a few components and breadboard bundled
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> interestingly on the skpang board, the lid has a small slot in it to fit over the Ethernet connector - I'm not sure if that's a mistake or to improve security of it...
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> the pillars would need to be 1mm higher to not need that little slot.
[9:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: It's going over the USB on mine??? cos the USB has a little bump on the back edge
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/pi_dev.jpg - you can just see it in the middle of the left photo.
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, oh your right - it's the USB, not the Ethernet.
[9:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I think it helps reinforce the USB slightly??? possibly, it's wedged in there about as tight as it'll get
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[9:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> They seem to have placed the risers/pillars next to all the major ports
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> not sure if that's intentional, or just because it's the only place to put them!
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> it makes changing the SD card a little tricky. I put some tape on it...
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[9:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi-io.jpg
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> not top there.
[9:44] <shirro> why take the top off?
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> to take a photo.
[9:44] <shirro> so it doesn't get in the way then?
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the top is swung round right now - only on one screw and I can't remember why...
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I was checking the chip temperature.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> I have an IR thermo and it was picking up the temp of the lid, not the chip.
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> I think I've found some issues with my overclocking, but it's hard to be sure
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[9:48] <gordonDrogon> seems to be an issue when read/writing the SD card and ethernet... only shows up on apt-get upgrade under raspbian though.
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> shower time. brb :)
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[9:58] <manizzle> hey guys
[9:59] <manizzle> so iam using the newest archimage
[9:59] <manizzle> for som reason i get an error Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
[9:59] <manizzle> and the block is some number
[9:59] <manizzle> any reason? i downloaded, and dd'ed the image onto the sdcard
[10:00] <shaulkr> Can you mount the vfat filesystem somewhere?
[10:00] <manizzle> the vfat is the first partition and yes i can mount it
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[10:01] <manizzle> [manizzle@alexandria rasberrypi]$ ls /media/usb/
[10:01] <manizzle> arm128_start.elf arm192_start.elf arm224_start.elf bootcode.bin cmdline.txt config.txt kernel_debug.img kernel_emergency.img kernel.img loader.bin start.elf
[10:01] <shaulkr> What are the contents of cmdline.txt?
[10:02] <shaulkr> And output of fdisk -l on the card
[10:02] <manizzle> [manizzle@alexandria rasberrypi]$ cat /media/usb/cmdline.txt
[10:02] <manizzle> dwc_otg.dma_enable=1 dwc_otg.dma_burst_size=256 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 dwc_otg.dma_enable=1 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 loglevel=2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[10:02] <manizzle> Disk /dev/sdd: 4029 MB, 4029677568 bytes
[10:02] <manizzle> 124 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders, total 7870464 sectors
[10:02] <manizzle> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[10:02] <manizzle> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[10:02] <manizzle> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[10:02] <manizzle> Disk identifier: 0x000069a4
[10:02] <manizzle> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[10:02] <manizzle> /dev/sdd1 1 195312 97656 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[10:02] <manizzle> /dev/sdd2 197265 3862527 1832631+ 83 Linux
[10:02] <haltdef> rudeness
[10:03] <manizzle> sorry haltdef
[10:03] <shaulkr> Looks right
[10:03] <haltdef> hm, no swap? sure you burned the sd properly?
[10:03] <manizzle> ill paste next time
[10:03] <shaulkr> The Arch image has no swap by default
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> I'd not be concerend about no swap....
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> use a swapfile...
[10:03] <manizzle> :(
[10:03] <shaulkr> hmm
[10:03] <Veryevil> No swap on SD cards
[10:04] <Veryevil> its a bad idea
[10:04] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> sometimes it's the only option.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> it's somewhat sub-optimal though!
[10:04] <Veryevil> if you really need swap its best to mount rootfs and swap on a usb stick
[10:05] <Veryevil> or enven just swap on usb
[10:05] <manizzle> why do i need a swapfile? dont i have ram?
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> you don't need a swapfile.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> not to get it going, anyway.
[10:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I left the swap on my SD card, possibly the most pointless thing ever considering my insistence on using terminal-only
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> a little bit of swap (10's of MB) can help if your pushing it a little, but if pushing it a lot, then really, your using the wrong tool...
[10:06] <manizzle> so any ideas? what else should i do? old images?
[10:06] <shaulkr> Does /dev/sdd2 mount ok?
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> move to Debian :)
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[10:07] <manizzle> i cant mount dev sdd2
[10:07] <shaulkr> What's the error?
[10:07] <manizzle> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:07] <manizzle> and going through
[10:07] <manizzle> ext2-4
[10:07] <manizzle> just says superblock error
[10:08] <shaulkr> Then either your image is corrupted or you didn't dd it properly
[10:08] <shaulkr> Or your host system doesn't support ext4
[10:08] <manizzle> http://pastie.org/3924438
[10:08] <shaulkr> Check that it appears in /proc/filesystems, just to make sure
[10:09] <manizzle> http://pastie.org/3924441
[10:09] <manizzle> yup
[10:09] <shaulkr> Now make sure your image is ok using sha1sum
[10:10] <manizzle> [manizzle@alexandria archlinuxarm-29-04-2012]$ sha1sum archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img
[10:10] <manizzle> 19034eb6808a248d30bda99450b03af1a88daf82 archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img
[10:10] <manizzle> [manizzle@alexandria archlinuxarm-29-04-2012]$ cat archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img.sha1
[10:10] <manizzle> 19034eb6808a248d30bda99450b03af1a88daf82 archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img
[10:10] <manizzle> [manizzle@alexandria archlinuxarm-29-04-2012]$
[10:10] <manizzle> oops
[10:11] <manizzle> re-dd?
[10:11] <shaulkr> Yes
[10:11] <shaulkr> btw pv will give you a nice progress bar
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[10:11] <shaulkr> pv archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img | dd of=/dev/sdd
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[10:12] <manizzle> i need those blocks sizes?
[10:13] <shaulkr> In this case, no
[10:13] <manizzle> dd bs=1M if=/path/to/archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img of=/dev/sdX k, why is that?
[10:14] <shaulkr> SD cards use 512 byte blocks, and that's the default for dd
[10:14] <manizzle> ah okay
[10:14] <shaulkr> Larger blocks size usually make it faster, though
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I used 1M for mine
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I use cat ...
[10:15] <shaulkr> Just make sure it's a multiple of the base block size, otherwise you put unnecessary wear on the card
[10:15] <Hourd> gooood mooorning all
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> what I've also done is 'save' an SD card image using gzip - takes it down to a 400MB image...
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[10:16] <mjr> I wouldn't count on the cards internally using 512 byte blocks these days anymore, unless you're sure you know better
[10:17] <shaulkr> @gordonDrogon: You can make it even smaller if before you gzip it you mount the image and create a file full of zeros on all the free space
[10:17] <mjr> and yeah, using bs=1M (say) doesn't at least hurt
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> shaulkr, yup, but I always wonder about the effect that has on the cards internal wear leveling stuff...
[10:18] <shaulkr> @gordonDrogon: That's why you do it on the image, not the card itself
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> shaulkr, ah ok. I was using that to get the data off an SD card I'd been using onto my AAO which only has an 8GB SSD on it and it's rather full!
[10:21] <shaulkr> @mjr: The kernel says it's 512: http://pastie.org/3924469
[10:21] <shaulkr> But the hardware could be lying
[10:22] <shaulkr> If all the vendors stuck to the standard, there wouldn't be incompatible SD cards
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> internally on the SD card the "block" size is likely to be 4MB.
[10:24] <mjr> sure the exposed logical block size is 512k, but it's likely to be larger internally
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> however that's the flash "page" size - ie. the minimum amount that the device can erase in one go.
[10:24] <mjr> s/512k/512 bytes/
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> so to write 512K, it reads a 4MB block, adds in the 512K, then erases it on the device and writes it back again...
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[10:25] <shaulkr> I doubt it's so large
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> or what it probably does is write it to a different place and update the internal wear levelling tables.
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[10:25] <mjr> anyway, 4M sounds large, but I'll not claim it ain't that much. bs=4M again shouldn't hurt though, since it's likely a multiple of the correct value
[10:25] <shaulkr> Cards would be useless after a few thousand pictures have been stored in them because of wear to where filesystem metadata is stored
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> it pribably varys - the ones designed for streaming (e.g. in camcorders) have bigger page sizes.
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[10:27] <shaulkr> It can be tested
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> it's a difficult situation to manage - ideally the OS needs to know the card layout, etc. so it can do the wear leveling - the cards themselves can do it but only until all sectors have been written - they then have no idea which sectors have valid data and which have deleted data - although in an SSD that supports the TRIM command, it helps.
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[10:29] * mjr expects SD cards to get trim/discard support at some point
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[10:29] <mjr> not holding breath though
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[10:31] <shaulkr> It seems my SD card's internal block size is 4K
[10:32] <shaulkr> http://pastie.org/3924498
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[10:33] <shaulkr> Note how the speed is the same below 4K, and suddenly at 4K it jumps up and stays the same when I increase the block size further
[10:33] <mjr> yeah, seems legit
[10:33] <shaulkr> So the kernel is lying
[10:34] <mjr> the kernel just tells you what the card says
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> and most cards will emulate a HDD... and most HDDs tell you they have 512 byte sectors...
[10:34] <fsphil> would a USB HDD be quicker than an SD card?
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> although newer ones have 4K blocks.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> fsphil, yes.
[10:35] <fsphil> ta. I noticed that disk IO was very slow
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> then of-course is the file-system block size :)
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> fsphil, you may want to remount / with noatime and nodiratime parameters...
[10:36] <fsphil> ah yes
[10:36] <fsphil> forgot about those
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> it helps a little.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm also playing with "eatmydata" on my old AAO laptop with it's very slow SSD ..
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> so-far so good. not tried it on a Pi yet.
[10:37] <mjr> btw nand flash has blocks and "pages" separately, that 4K entity is likely the page size while erase blocks are somewhat larger, encompassing many pages. When you need to erase, you need to do it one of those larger erase blocks at a time.
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> however that's really to get round firefox's paranoia )-:
[10:37] <fsphil> hah, love the name
[10:37] <mjr> the pages are probably more relevant to the test, though anyway
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[10:37] <shaulkr> @mjr: I think the speed increase we see is the erase blocks
[10:38] <manizzle> k, now its says, no init found, try adding init= option to kernel
[10:38] <manizzle> what do i need to add to cmdline maybe?
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[10:38] <mjr> no, it's very likely the page
[10:38] <shaulkr> Then why is the speed increase so sharp and localized?
[10:38] <mjr> 4K would be very small for an erase block
[10:38] <mjr> because you can write a page at a time
[10:39] <shaulkr> Exactly, because of the erase blocks
[10:39] <shaulkr> @manizzle: What do you see when you mount the second partition?
[10:39] <mjr> you keep confusing pages to erase blocks
[10:39] <manizzle> i can mount it fine now
[10:39] <manizzle> i see the whole fs
[10:39] <manizzle> i re dd'ed
[10:39] <shaulkr> @manizzle: What does file on sbin/init say?
[10:40] <shaulkr> @mjr: You're right, my mistake
[10:40] <shaulkr> But the erase blocks must be smaller or equal to the pages
[10:41] <shaulkr> Otherwise it would have to read more than a page because an erase block would be multiple pages
[10:41] <manizzle> what the fuck, i mounted it, unmounted, and remounted....now it says it cant find the fs
[10:41] <manizzle> something wrong with my sdcard maybe?
[10:41] <manizzle> getting corrupted all day
[10:41] <shaulkr> Are you using a proper sd reader or some mp3 player?
[10:42] <shaulkr> @mjr: I think what we see in the test is max(erase block, page size)
[10:42] <manizzle> a sd reader
[10:42] <shaulkr> Try fsck
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> right. local farmers market time, then to see a client...
[10:42] <shaulkr> At least it would say what's wrong
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> maninvan, ah, what class SD card? anthing above 4 might be suspect, but YMMV. I've had issues with a transcend class 6 ...
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> oops, to manizzle , ah, what class SD card? anthing above 4 might be suspect, but YMMV. I've had issues with a transcend class 6 ...
[10:44] <manizzle> yeah fsck fixed it
[10:44] <manizzle> sbin/init is a inary
[10:44] <manizzle> right?
[10:44] <manizzle> binary
[10:45] <manizzle> i cant see what it says when its mounted im not on an arm arch
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[10:49] <manizzle> shaulkr, ?
[10:50] <shaulkr> @manizzle: That sounds fine
[10:50] <manizzle> init line then?
[10:50] <manizzle> it says i need an init= or something
[10:51] <shaulkr> init=/sbin/init is the default
[10:51] <shaulkr> Unless they changed it in the kernel configuration
[10:51] <shaulkr> You can try adding it anyway
[10:51] <manizzle> should i manually add init=/sbin/init to the cmdline?
[10:51] <manizzle> k
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[10:53] <RITRedbeard> Anyone here have experience with Wiimote bluetooth stack and Windows 7?
[10:56] <manizzle> shaulkr, i tried adding init=/sbin/init
[10:56] <manizzle> to cmdline
[10:57] <manizzle> and nothing, it still says kernel panic init not found
[10:57] <shaulkr> Try init=/bin/bash
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[11:34] <RITRedbeard> mornin
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[11:47] <huene> did anyone try to geht a huawei e220 working on the pi?
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[11:48] <RITRedbeard> huene, shouldn't be hard if linux kernel supports it
[11:48] <RITRedbeard> do you know about these modems? how do they work?
[11:48] <RITRedbeard> do you just put your SIM card in?
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what the conversation is about, but yes.
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> those modems should work just fine.
[11:49] <tntexplosivesltd> I beleive I have used one under linuc before, but not on the pu
[11:49] <tntexplosivesltd> * pi
[11:49] <RITRedbeard> I heard the Pi was a total power hog
[11:49] <tntexplosivesltd> * linux
[11:49] <tntexplosivesltd> goddamn
[11:49] <RITRedbeard> I was considering making a 3G only phone style device
[11:50] <tntexplosivesltd> the 3G sticks use a lot of power
[11:50] <RITRedbeard> get into a contract deal for the free modem
[11:50] <tntexplosivesltd> they get pretty darn warm
[11:50] <Veryevil> They can pulse at about 1 - 2 amps
[11:51] <huene> RITRedbeard: i have it working on my atom board running xbmc on ubuntu
[11:51] <Veryevil> Pi wont be able to power a 3g stick
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> .... wouldn't that mean they violate the USB specifications...
[11:51] <RITRedbeard> you mean from battery power
[11:51] <RITRedbeard> no, it probably won't be able to
[11:51] <Veryevil> they use about 8 watts during TX
[11:51] <huene> i just could not yet get it to show up as /dev/ttyUSB0 on the pi, so i could dial in with ppp
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, checked kernel config?
[11:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh just orded my 2nd one
[11:52] <huene> i tried following a guide for NSLU2 (which is also ARM), but it did not work, there was some C source, which compiled fine, but failed an assertion when running
[11:52] <huene> ShiftPlusOne: what do you mean?
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, what was the assertion?
[11:53] <huene> main: Assertion 'dev' failed
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[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, checked the source for what 'dev' is?
[11:53] <huene> dev=find_device(vendor, product)
[11:54] <huene> assert(dev)
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that looks like a good clue
[11:54] <RaYmAn> the issue with some 3g sticks is that by default the show up in USB Mass storage mode and then have to be switched over. Later drivers/linux dists does this automatically, but probably not on Pi
[11:54] <huene> vendor and product is assigned above
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[11:54] <RaYmAn> huene: does it show up in lsusb?
[11:54] <huene> it's hardcoded - the program was written especially for this modem
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, as for the kernel config, I mean that the kernel might have been compiled without the needed module.
[11:55] <huene> i don't know exactly which module(s) it needs
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> check lsusb
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and look it up
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> lsusb will give an ID you can google
[11:55] <huene> one moment. i need to plug it in again - it's currently on the atom board
[11:56] <huene> there it shows up as: Bus 004 Device 011: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
[11:56] <huene> checking on the pi, brb
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> it will be the same
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> looks promising, that's a supported modem
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it is a generic usb serial driver
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[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> but I've got to go. Just check kernel config. gzcat -cd /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure it that will work but yeah, I am sure someone will help you out if you need help re-compiling the kernel or anything like that
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> not gzcat, gzip
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> or zcat without the -cd
[11:59] <huene> no. it does not show up on the pi
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[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's the problem then, easy to fix, so you should be set.
[12:01] <huene> i'm not so sure, if it's easy to fix
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, compiling the kernel is trivial
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I can do it later when I get back from work... and sleep... and go to uni... so it will be a while.
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[12:03] <huene> ok, thanks, have a nice day, and see you later
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[12:06] <huene> i don't like the messages i get in dmesg
[12:08] <RaYmAn> if it's failure to enumerate and similar, it's probably a power issue
[12:10] <huene> i'm gonna try with a powered usb-hub. but that's gonna have to wait, i don't have anyone around
[12:10] <huene> and all shops are closed today
[12:12] <manizzle> damnit, a filtering cap near one of the oscillators on the back of my rp broke off....
[12:12] <teh_orph> how did you manage that?
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[12:12] <teh_orph> I'm really worried about breaking mine!
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[12:13] <manizzle> lol well i mean it still boots and runs...
[12:13] <manizzle> just no filtering i guess :(
[12:13] <Veryevil> What cap number
[12:15] <manizzle> c51, actually i havent booted since i discovered it and turned it off
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[12:16] <Hexxeh> got progress with Chrome, kinda
[12:16] <Hexxeh> looks like eglChooseConfig isn't enough
[12:17] <Hexxeh> there's some broadcom specific version i found in the q3 source
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[12:17] <Veryevil> ah ok
[12:17] <Hexxeh> eglSaneChooseConfigBRCM
[12:17] <teh_orph> what does that do?
[12:17] <Hexxeh> i also found ways to enable more verbose debug output
[12:17] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: hell if i know
[12:17] <Hexxeh> parameter list is the same as eglGetConfig
[12:17] <teh_orph> this closed-interface is really starting to grate...
[12:18] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: I noticed that in gl_surface_egl.cc according to your patch you dont pass your config or display into eglCreateWindowSurface
[12:19] <Hexxeh> what.
[12:20] <Hexxeh> seriously?
[12:20] <Veryevil> you create dispman_display and then call GetDisplay() as apposed to just passing it in like in triangle
[12:20] <Veryevil> you use the GetConfig() and GetDisplay() functions which im guessing dont use the ones you create
[12:20] <Hexxeh> oh
[12:20] <Hexxeh> i think they do
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[12:22] <Veryevil> Triangle passes in state->display
[12:22] <Hexxeh> see the function at the top uses g_display
[12:22] <Veryevil> which is recieved from eglGetDisplay(EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY);
[12:23] <Hexxeh> GetDisplay just returns g_display
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[12:26] <Veryevil> only if software_ is not true
[12:26] <Hexxeh> which it isn't
[12:26] <Veryevil> ok
[12:26] <Veryevil> what about GetConfig()
[12:26] <Hexxeh> g_config
[12:27] <Veryevil> that doesnt seem to use your kConfigAttribs
[12:27] <Hexxeh> hmm, i've included the appropriate file and i still can't use eglSaneChooseConfigBRCM
[12:27] <Hexxeh> yeah, it does
[12:27] <Hexxeh> on the second choose config it's passed by reference
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[12:31] <Veryevil> where in quake is the sanechooseconfig
[12:31] <Hexxeh> basically this is the problem: GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil not supported
[12:31] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3/blob/master/code/es/es_glimp.c
[12:32] <Mez> Hexxeh: ... as in chromeos hexxeh ?
[12:32] <Veryevil> yeah that him
[12:32] <Mez> if so
[12:33] <Mez> <3
[12:33] <Hexxeh> yes
[12:34] <Veryevil> where is that function defined?
[12:34] <Hexxeh> sshfs makes testing so much faster
[12:34] <Hexxeh> only takes about 10 minutes to test a change now
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[12:34] <Hexxeh> in eglext_brcm.h
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[12:38] <Veryevil> so whats your current train of thought / last error messages your getting
[12:40] <Hexxeh> current log is here: http://pastebin.com/6K7Xv1LL
[12:40] <Hexxeh> the missing functionality it needs and it can't find is being checked on the context
[12:41] <Hexxeh> which basically means the mistake MUST be in gl_surface_egl.cc or gl_context_egl.cc
[12:41] <Hexxeh> at least, i think it does... :P
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[12:42] <Veryevil> well the first graphics related error is gpu_main.cc(85)] gpu_info_collector::CollectGraphicsInfo failed
[12:42] <pemican> nfs>sshfs
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[12:42] <teh_orph> nfs has been fantastic for me so far...
[12:42] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: i don't think that's fatal
[12:43] <Hexxeh> sshfs is just easier to setup
[12:43] <pemican> and more prone to issues
[12:43] <Hexxeh> works for me (tm)
[12:43] <pemican> but whatever you'll find out after awhile
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[12:45] <Hexxeh> wait a minute
[12:46] <Hexxeh> eglSaneChooseConfigBRCM is used in that quake 3 file
[12:46] <Veryevil> yeah..
[12:46] <Hexxeh> but that function was only added a few days ago
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[12:46] <Hexxeh> and quake 3 hasn't been updated for weeks
[12:46] <Hexxeh> ...
[12:46] <Hexxeh> where was it getting it from previously
[12:47] <Veryevil> good question
[12:48] <Veryevil> can you put some logging into gpu_info_collector to see what it is pulling
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[12:48] <Veryevil> it creates a temp surface and then questions it
[12:48] <rm> Hexxeh, where do people get pak0.pk3 etc from Quake 3
[12:49] <Veryevil> the game cd
[12:49] <teh_orph> I got mine from my q3 CD
[12:49] <rm> are they expected to have a licensed copy of a game from 2006?
[12:49] <teh_orph> I think you can use the paks
[12:49] <teh_orph> *demo paks
[12:49] <fALSO> from the: INTERNET
[12:49] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: it creates a surface, but it literally just checks the the surface was created successfully
[12:49] <fALSO> lol :-P
[12:50] <teh_orph> it's from 2001 anyway :-) (pak patched in '06 though)
[12:50] <Veryevil> but is it begin created successfuly
[12:50] <rm> oh right Release date(s) Windows NA December 2, 1999
[12:50] <teh_orph> yeah why did I type 2001...that was the PS2 version haha
[12:51] <teh_orph> btw is anyone having SDL troubles running it on arch?
[12:51] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: the fact it's reaching that message means the surface was created successfuly
[12:51] * drazyl checks in his desk drawer and finds his quake 1, 2 and 3 pack is still in there
[12:51] <Hexxeh> but it couldn't check things like driver version
[12:52] <Veryevil> it can return false about 6 times
[12:52] <Veryevil> ok 3 times before it even checks those values
[12:53] <Veryevil> if it cannot get the surface or the context it drops out and gives the error message
[12:53] <Hexxeh> where are you looking?
[12:53] <Hexxeh> line 56 in gpu_main.cc?
[12:53] <Veryevil> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/content/gpu/gpu_info_collector.cc
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[13:04] <wjt> teh_orph: hey, friggle tells me you too have been working on an EXA driver. where've you got to? mine is ??? rudimentary and unpublished. it'd be good to join forces
[13:04] <Hexxeh> awww crap http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/content/common/gpu/image_transport_surface_linux.cc&exact_package=chromium&q=GetNativeDisplay
[13:04] <Hexxeh> lots of Xorg specific stuff in here intertwined with EGL stuff...
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[13:16] <RITRedbeard> rm, I think Q3 is actually 2000ish
[13:16] <rm> yes, I figured it's 1999
[13:16] <rm> 2006 was the last patch
[13:16] <Davespice> just got the "time to place your order" email from RS components...
[13:16] <manizzle> loaded debian image on sd card, tried to boot, rp not turning on its interface and requesting ip. what can i do in the image to try to make sure it does?
[13:17] <bjorn`> Good going there. Patching your game for 7 years
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> manizzle, beat toraton.
[13:18] <bjorn`> Maybe it's shy and doesn't like asking too much from your router
[13:18] * gordonDrogon waves.
[13:18] <manizzle> lol RITRedbeard
[13:18] * RITRedbeard is Yossarian
[13:18] <manizzle> haha, hey there dude
[13:20] <manizzle> i dont have an hdmi output so just trying to detect it over network is best i can do, any other way to tell its even booting
[13:21] <RITRedbeard> Isn't there a serial UART on the GPIO pins?
[13:22] <RITRedbeard> Silly question: Where can I get Raspberry Pi in North America? I'm actually ready to place an order now.
[13:22] <manizzle> is it in that broadcom doc sheet?
[13:22] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure, I might be wrong...
[13:22] <manizzle> oh lol, um i got mine in north america from rs online
[13:22] <RITRedbeard> How's that?
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> I can only express my interest.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> manizzle, no old tv with composite video in?
[13:23] <manizzle> i clicked on the order sheet when they first tried to sell em
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> You should be able to get a physical adapter to convert HDMI to DVI
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> no?
[13:24] <manizzle> finally got a activation code a week ago
[13:24] <manizzle> got it in the mail today
[13:24] * gordonDrogon has hdmi to dvi adapter...
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[13:24] <RITRedbeard> If you register you interest do they put you in for pre-order?
[13:25] <manizzle> yeah
[13:25] <manizzle> thats how i got mine
[13:25] <RITRedbeard> I thought Newark was handling North American orders?
[13:25] <manizzle> you think breaking off a filtering cap near one of the oscillators is gonna fuck me up, noisy oscillator i guess...
[13:25] <Ben64> newark is farnell
[13:26] <manizzle> um dunno, i preordered rs online days ago
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[13:26] <RITRedbeard> Same shit on Newark.
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> I don't want to express my interest, I want to put money down for a goddamn preorder.
[13:26] <Ben64> not happening soon
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> Well, I want a Pi in October.
[13:26] <Ben64> i expressed interest on RS on feb 29, still no pi
[13:27] <Ben64> i ordered from newark feb 29, still no pi
[13:27] <manizzle> anyone? on the cap? i havent fucked shit up have i?
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[13:27] <RITRedbeard> probably not
[13:27] <Hexxeh> is there a gles2 equivalent of glxinfo?
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[13:31] <RITRedbeard> So there is RS, Newark... where else can I place my interest?
[13:31] <RITRedbeard> I want to pre-order damnit.
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, get one off ebay if you're that desperate...
[13:32] <RITRedbeard> I'm not desperate and I'm only willing to shell out $40
[13:32] <RITRedbeard> I just want to PRE ORDER
[13:32] <RITRedbeard> I don't want to register my stupid interest.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you have a choice right now.
[13:33] <RITRedbeard> Isn't there another retailer that is accepting preorders?
[13:34] <RITRedbeard> So incredibly frustrating.
[13:34] <RITRedbeard> I want to develop hardware and software for this platform
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Only RS and Farnell (or whatever they're rebranded as in your country)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> You can develop software in qemu.
[13:35] <RITRedbeard> The foundation is really retarded
[13:35] <Hexxeh> who here was running gentoo on their pi the other day?
[13:35] <Veryevil> There are a few people with multiple Pis. I'm suyre if you can convince them that you are going to contribute something worthwhile they might let you buy one from them
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, I think that's really unfair. Could you and 2 friends deliver the goods to everyone on-time?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> while maintaining full-time jobs?
[13:36] <nid0> what exact difference are you imagining there is between registering your interest, thereby putting yourself in a queue to get one when its available, and pre-ordering one, which puts you into a queue to get one when its available?
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> Eben quit Broadcom I read somewhere.
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> pre-order you enter your credit card information
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> and you're charged
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> registering your interest they just email you when they have them in stock
[13:37] <Veryevil> you should never be charged for a pre-oder
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> Big difference.
[13:37] <nid0> so you dont pay for it just yet, who cares? my question is where you imagine the difference is in terms of getting a pi
[13:37] <nid0> the end result is the same.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> exactly. just regiater with both, then pay the one that comes up first.
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> registering your interest they just email you when they have them in stock
[13:37] <nid0> and they arent just emailing everyone when they get any in stock, they're keeping registrations in a queue
[13:38] <nid0> and selling them to people in order they registered interest.
[13:38] <nid0> you know, like how preorders work, but not paying for it now.
[13:38] <RITRedbeard> That makes little sense.
[13:38] <RITRedbeard> It must be a UK thing.
[13:38] <RITRedbeard> I'm from America, Jack.
[13:38] <RITRedbeard> That's not how we roll.
[13:39] <Hexxeh> pretty sure Eben still works at Broadcom
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> The Foundation is pretty good at digging their grave.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, get a grip. You have no choice. Put up or shutup.
[13:39] <Veryevil> well said
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> Please stop sucking the foundation's dick.
[13:39] <RITRedbeard> Thanks.
[13:39] <Hexxeh> indeed
[13:40] <Hexxeh> if you have such a problem with the foundation, then you won't be wanting to buy any of their products. go buy a pandaboard/beagleboard.
[13:40] <Veryevil> Just because your not organised wnough to have joined the queue already dont take it out on them
[13:40] <RITRedbeard> *you're
[13:40] <nid0> I registered my interest, I got in the queue, I got my pi. If you dont want to register your interest and would rather whine + not have a pi then fine, you're in the wrong channel
[13:41] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, well, unlike you I'm an *ACTUAL* developer.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> Same here. I registered - will get my Pi from Farnell next week.
[13:41] <RITRedbeard> I have tons of things I could be doing.
[13:41] <Hexxeh> how many those require a physical pi?
[13:41] <nid0> based on a 2 minute conversation in which you've done nothing but bitch and whine you've decided you know what my pi's being used for?
[13:41] * Veryevil Thinks he mustn't be British as he doesnt understand queues
[13:41] <Hexxeh> as opposed to qemu
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> And *actual* developer?
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> Woooo...
[13:41] <nid0> maybe you could have used that clairvoyance to get yourself a pi?
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[13:42] <Hexxeh> nid0: boom
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[13:42] <RITRedbeard> You're probably just trying to get XBMC to work like everyone else and their grandmother.
[13:42] <TonyMonteabag> HOLD THE FRONT PAGE
[13:42] <RITRedbeard> Plus everyone I've met involved with this project is incredibly inept.
[13:42] <RITRedbeard> I have yet to come across one EE.
[13:42] <Veryevil> Well find your own project
[13:43] <RITRedbeard> How many people are making circuit for DSI/MIPI to LVDS?
[13:43] <RITRedbeard> Oh yeah, none.
[13:43] <Veryevil> I'm an Electronic Engineer, First Class Masters Degree
[13:43] <Veryevil> thank you very much
[13:43] <RITRedbeard> You should have left out the master degree part.
[13:43] <RITRedbeard> I would have respected you more.
[13:43] <Veryevil> you clearly have no respect so I'm not worried
[13:44] <RITRedbeard> I have plenty of respect, just not for a Foundation who blatantly lies repeatedly and makes foolish decisions.
[13:44] <RITRedbeard> Oh and they constantly break software licenses.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> right. enough of this.. time to do a stock check - I've a Lemon Drizzle cake to make and I think I'm out of lemons...
[13:45] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: enjoy :)
[13:45] <Veryevil> Tell you what, Take your head out your Arse, Get to the back of the Queue or GTFO!
[13:45] <[SLB]> lol
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> my other business is http://moorbakes.co.uk/ ;-)
[13:45] <RITRedbeard> Veryevil, why don't you work on a MIPI/DSI to LVDS interface?
[13:45] * SpeedEvil has PI.
[13:46] <RITRedbeard> If you're an electrical engineer worth the paper your degree has been printed on, it should be fairly trivial for you. Unfortunately, that is not my area of... stuff.
[13:46] <RITRedbeard> It would be something really worth working towards.
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[13:46] <Veryevil> ah so you are an expert in stuff. Oh we need some good stuff developers
[13:47] <RITRedbeard> My area is software and mathematics.
[13:47] <RITRedbeard> Electrical engineering is difficult.
[13:47] <RITRedbeard> From my point of view.
[13:48] <drazyl> and whinging
[13:48] <RITRedbeard> If you could create an LVDS interface from MIPI/DSI, you'd fill a niche that nobody else seems to be filling.
[13:48] <Hexxeh> you've omitted to say what critical job that nobody else is doing you'd be doing if you had a pi
[13:48] <nid0> so because no-one is actively doing one thing you want them to do and cant do yourself, everyone's inept?
[13:48] <Hexxeh> nid0 puts it better than i could have
[13:48] * Hexxeh golf clap
[13:48] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: never reaches NativeViewGLSurfaceEGL::Initialize
[13:48] <RITRedbeard> The majority of the people are inept... they simply want XMBC to work or Android.
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Is appropriate.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Hardware is hard.
[13:49] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: interesting
[13:49] <RITRedbeard> Why is this relevant?
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Also - DSI on the pi doesn't actually work.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: you're suggesting people make hardware.
[13:49] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: this makes me think that I'm missing some initialisation in the one-off
[13:49] <RITRedbeard> I never said make the hardware open source.
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[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Making hardware is not quite like making software.
[13:49] <Veryevil> The DSI driver is locked down to BCM and RPi so no one can develop for it
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: The open source bit is irrelevant in this case
[13:50] <RITRedbeard> You could always make TDMS to LVDS
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> A complie/debug cycle can take weeks, and cost a hundred dollars.
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[13:50] * RITRedbeard blinks.
[13:50] <IT_Sean> Morning
[13:51] <RITRedbeard> What on earth are you talking about?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: you are suggesting developing hardware. Developing hardware has costs, and takes time.
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> And making a circuit to convert TDMS and convert it to LVDS shouldn't be that difficult... for an electrical engineer.
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> I've actually sampled the chips from Texas Instruments.
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> I just cannot solder such a fine pitch and I have nearly zero idea of what I'm doing.
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[13:52] <Hexxeh> you've just admitted you have no idea what you're doing, and then call everyone else inept? lovely.
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> Nor do I have a scope or the appropriate tools.
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> Uhh, I design software.
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> See the above page for other things you may have missed.
[13:53] <Veryevil> He is really good at drumming up support for his ideas
[13:53] <RITRedbeard> Because it's true.
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly - that was mainly aimed at mobile phone class hardware, and this will be ratehr cheaper.
[13:53] <RITRedbeard> Please show me the page where people have made groundbreaking stuff for Raspberry Pi so far.
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[13:53] <RITRedbeard> Go ahead, I'll wait.
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[13:53] <SpeedEvil> Interfaces at LVDS speeds aren't particularly easy.
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> You think I'm being a rude ass but in reality, I'm just being very honest.
[13:54] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: how far does it get before NativeViewGLSurfaceEGL::Initialize
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> The reason why everyone is buying this... odd device is because it's so cheap.
[13:54] <TonyMonteabag> Thats not mutally exclusive
[13:54] <TonyMonteabag> You can be honest without being a massive cock
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> Okay.
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> I apologize.
[13:54] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: it's difficult to tell
[13:54] * IT_Sean wonders what the heck he's just walked into
[13:54] <Hexxeh> i'm trying to trace the calls back, but since there's not enough memory to load a debug binary and add a breakpoint, it's difficult
[13:55] <TonyMonteabag> :] Either way, raging and ranting on IRC won't help you get a Pi any faster
[13:55] * Veryevil Off to get some lunch brb
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> Allow me to rephrase my sentiments: many people that are interested in the Raspberry Pi are not interested in contributing to the progress or they simply have nothing to contribute.
[13:55] <TonyMonteabag> Correct
[13:55] <TonyMonteabag> And thats fine
[13:55] <Hexxeh> RITRedbeard: we know what, it's nothing new
[13:55] <Hexxeh> s/know what/know that/
[13:55] <rm> *Allow me to rephrase my sentiments: many people are not interested in contributing to the progress or they simply have nothing to contribute.
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> And the Raspberry Pi Foundation, while it has its heart in the right place, has made many many many mistakes in design and logistically as well.
[13:55] <TonyMonteabag> Some people just want one because its fun to see what you can run on such a tiny computer
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> TonyMonteabag: It's not fair to mock the disabled. Some people are massive cocks.
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[13:56] * PiBot sets mode +v shirro
[13:56] <TonyMonteabag> They're not all developers
[13:56] <RITRedbeard> rm, do you think I was being an ass?
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[13:56] <Hexxeh> RITRedbeard: and? people make mistakes
[13:56] <rm> I don't follow the log
[13:56] <rm> so, whatever
[13:56] <nid0> define contributing, or why they should? Fundamentally the original purpose of the pi is as an educational tool to encourage basic programming skills through being a cheap device, which is also just a fun cheap toy for want of a better word, where in that is a requirement for new magic groundbreaking achievements on a daily basis?
[13:56] <Hexxeh> RITRedbeard: they're not saying they're infallible
[13:56] <rm> I find your obsession with LVDS bizzare, though
[13:56] <rm> it's some obscure interface while all stuff is DVI/HDMI and moving to DisplayPort nowadays
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[13:57] <rm> so LVDS is not going to be the killer feature, not going to be "a" feature in most mass products, and if anything, it's filling a rapidly shrinking niche
[13:57] <RITRedbeard> Develop for the specific hardware given: design software, port pre-existing software (in some cases can be tricky), design hardware to realize and actualize uses of the Pi outside of a PCB on your desk, etc
[13:57] <RITRedbeard> LVDS is important in getting cheap computers / electronic recycling.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> LVDS will be a shrinking niche in a decade.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> Every single panel on market uses LVDS or a similar interface.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> LVDS is very useful for using random displays - such as ipad spare screens.
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> That is NOT displayport, etc
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> It's serialized something
[13:59] <Hexxeh> the point is, there are more important things than that that are still to be done
[13:59] <Hexxeh> eg, it's no use having a screen connected if driving it is pitifully slow
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[13:59] <Hexxeh> that's why we have folks like teh_orph, and the other guy doing the wayland stuff
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> Driving it wouldn't be slow at all if you tailored a PCB to convert the TDMS from HDMI port and shot it to LVDS
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[14:00] <Hourd> it is still in its infancy, there are improvements being made all the time
[14:00] <Hexxeh> RITRedbeard: no, even driving HDMI is slow
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Fundamentally, ir's still a really slow system.
[14:00] <Hexxeh> you fail to understand how slow it is until you use one, really
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> 600MHz processor is not fast.
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> Why is driving HDMI slow?
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Think laptop of 12 years ago.
[14:00] <Hexxeh> i've worked on systems where there's no graphical acceleration before, but the pi without acceleration is a whole new level of slow
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> I'm well aware of the SoC's properties.
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> The Pi has acceleration.
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> Just not for X, apparently.
[14:01] <Hourd> Hexxeh: it really is... i just dont use graphics :P
[14:01] <Hexxeh> not for anything that doesn't use openmax or dispanx
[14:01] <Hexxeh> which right now, isn't much
[14:01] <friggle> RITRedbeard: right. It is very nice for the fullscreen gles stuff :)
[14:01] <Hexxeh> you can basically run quake3 and omxplayer, and that's probably it
[14:01] <Hourd> openttd :)
[14:02] <friggle> Hexxeh: and soon composited qt5 apps
[14:02] <Hexxeh> soon, but not yet
[14:02] <friggle> and hopefully soon qtmultimedia
[14:02] <friggle> indeed
[14:02] <RITRedbeard> Well, that's why hardware isn't the main focus, we need people to also port X and a slew of other things.
[14:02] <friggle> but, things *are* coming together
[14:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: i did see the wayland video this morning though, looks good
[14:02] <RITRedbeard> I understand it is a process.
[14:06] <RITRedbeard> But it is hard to be apart of that process when Foundation and retailers can't get their crap together.
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> I'd love to help but there isn't much I can do with just qemu.
[14:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: did that google guy with a pi (heh, that rhymes) get back to you?
[14:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: unlikely, but checking anyway :P
[14:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: he did. He's interested but short on time. He's added taking a look at it to his todo list :)
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[14:09] <Hexxeh> friggle: ah, nice
[14:09] <Hexxeh> think i've reached the limits of what i can do with my non-existant knowledge of EGL/GLES2
[14:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: he's a graphics guy, who has been working on graphics in chrome. So if I he can make time to take a look should be able to give you useful pointers
[14:10] <Hexxeh> if it's useful (and it probably is), there's a chromium os image you can use to test here: http://distribution.hexxeh.net/archive/raspberry/2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a/ChromeOS-Raspberry-2290.0.2012_05_14_1756-rd0694f5a.zip
[14:10] <Hexxeh> you can just mount your new chrome binary via sshfs for testing then without building the entire board
[14:11] <Hexxeh> friggle: sounds good :)
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[14:14] * Veryevil Back with lunch
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[14:17] <friggle> Hexxeh: I'll pass that on, and tell him to ping you on irc or via email if he wants to know where you're up to before he takes a look
[14:17] <Hexxeh> friggle: if he's working on graphics in chrome, i'd assume he'd be in #chromium most likely, so he can find me there too
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[14:17] <Pipipipi> HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:17] <Pipipipi> I AM ON IRC ON MY R PI
[14:17] <Pipipipi> WHEN DO I GET MY REWARD?
[14:18] <des2> When you get your caps lock to work.
[14:18] <IT_Sean> when you turn off caps lock!
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Stop shouting!
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[14:18] <TonyMonteabag> Awesome
[14:18] <IT_Sean> great.
[14:19] <huene> lol
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[14:24] <zag2> what irc client are you using pipi?
[14:24] <IT_Sean> he left, i think.
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[14:28] <Davespice> was he the first person to do it?
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[14:28] <IT_Sean> he was the first to shout about it, at the very least
[14:28] <Davespice> ah well :)
[14:28] <IT_Sean> He is the first person that i have seen do that
[14:28] <Davespice> had to happen sooner or later
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[14:29] <IT_Sean> yup
[14:29] <Davespice> I was going to try and compile the quassel client using the Qt tools, and see if I can use it to connect to my core at home
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> &PI=ME
[14:30] <IT_Sean> that was you???
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[14:30] <PiPiPiPi> IM BACK
[14:30] <IT_Sean> PiPiPiPi: turn OFF caps lock
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> no
[14:30] <PiPiPiPi> Alright
[14:31] <PiPiPiPi> Seems reasonable
[14:31] <PiPiPiPi> ;D
[14:31] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[14:31] <IT_Sean> thank you.
[14:31] <PiPiPiPi> Was I gonna get banned?
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> No, killed.
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[14:31] <SpeedEvil> We don't hold with banning, it's too limited.
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[14:31] <PiPiPiPi> Well fuck, bullet dodged
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> And doesn't help out wider non-IRC society.
[14:31] <drazyl> language
[14:32] <Davespice> PiPiPiPi: we think you are the first to do this
[14:32] <IT_Sean> no
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Right. The cake is in the oven.
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[14:32] <IT_Sean> you werent
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[14:32] <PiPiPiPi> Oh
[14:32] <PiPiPiPi> It's just irssi
[14:32] <PiPiPiPi> nothing fancy
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Sounds like one of those cold-war passwords: The Cake is in the Oven...
[14:32] <IT_Sean> I was going to /kick you though, if you kept shouting :p
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> The leek is in the sheep.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:32] <IT_Sean> the beaver is in the dam?
[14:33] <TonyMonteabag> The horse is in the fish tank
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Poor horse...
[14:33] <Davespice> lol
[14:33] <Kolin> SpeedEvil: is that the welsh version?
[14:33] <zag2> im not sure the pi's gfx are quick enough for irc ;)
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[14:33] <Davespice> leek is being use figurativly I reckons...
[14:33] <PiPiPiPi> It's fine, I just turned off IRC's 3D mode
[14:33] <PiPiPiPi> ;)
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[14:34] <drazyl> it's certainly being used oddly
[14:34] <Davespice> well... got my RS order in now
[14:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: The weather in berlin is known to be purple at this time of year
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[14:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: congratulations and, soon, welcome to the brotherhood??? of Pi
[14:35] <drazyl> the flight of the lark is near the moon when it rains
[14:35] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_mbp: thanks mate, I already own one though - so I'm already a fully paid up member :)
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[14:35] <Davespice> this one is for a colleague
[14:36] <drazyl> tell him you've already got one
[14:36] <Davespice> he knows
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm taking my Pi to a sort of hack-meet thing this weekend - one thing they're looking at is data capture from weather instruments, but I've absolutely no idea what they are...
[14:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: What madness is this! one cannot simply order TWO Raspberry Pi's!
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> you can have as many Pis as you want.... Off ebay ...
[14:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Those spinny things that measure the wind speed, and that cup with numbers on the side that measures the rain?
[14:37] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_mbp: well... this is how it happend. On launch day... I was fighting through the DDOS attack and managed to register myself with both Farnell and RS components (the Farnell Order came through) but only today I got the email from RS inviting me to place the order
[14:38] <Davespice> so I thought, what the hell <shrug> -click-
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[14:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: I didn't register with Farnell, but got in with RS early??? apparently??? I didn't have the faintest inkling my earlier email had got through their hellstorm off DDOS
[14:38] <Veryevil> Gadgettoid_mbp: its called an anemometer
[14:38] <IT_Sean> I did the same... I'm registered w/ both RS and F. Whichever invite comes first, i will order from
[14:38] <IT_Sean> I MIGHT order the 2nd one, but, if i do, i'll sell it to dev at cost or something.
[14:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wow, a Pi for ??100 "Buy It Now" on Ebay???
[14:40] <zag2> how much they going for now?
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Seems 50-60 quid
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[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Probably less when the existing auctions close.
[14:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> There's a "Buy It Now" for ??120, hilarious
[14:40] <zag2> tempting to sell my farnell delivery and order with my rs link now :)
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[14:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm juicing up a 5v 1a portable battery to see if I can the Pi from it
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[14:44] <shirro> wtf, rs order email already. thought it would be ages. how long do rs pi take to arrive once you order?
[14:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> shirro: about a day
[14:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> shirro: ordered mine Friday before the UK bank holiday weekend and it came on Tuesday ( monday was bank )??? that's not even 1 working day
[14:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Your mileage may vary
[14:45] <shirro> guess we are going to need a #raspberripi-ownmorethanone soon
[14:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'd like to buy an extra one just in case I break mine
[14:46] <shirro> Number 2 is going Ghz on day one
[14:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Can't remember what I clocked mine to, but I'm staying clear of 1Ghz
[14:47] <shirro> Mine seemed reliable on 800 but turned out to do weird non-repeatable stuff when running benchmarks in a loop
[14:47] <teh_orph> I'm worried about the SD card slot + caps falling off my pi
[14:47] <teh_orph> so I'm gonna keep the warranty until I know it's robust!
[14:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ah, mine's at 900 apparently, and has been there for a few days now
[14:48] <shirro> teh_orph: where is my x server?
[14:48] <teh_orph> on the hard disk I just wiped
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> mines fine at 900 - until I do apt-get upgrade...
[14:48] <teh_orph> I did it out of spite :)
[14:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: "upgrade"?
[14:48] <Veryevil> teh_orph: hows it going? any progress?
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: hot-glue the corners of the board to a bit of wood.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, yes - on raspbian.
[14:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Ahh! not using raspbian yet
[14:49] <teh_orph> Veryevil: I stuck a post on the forums an hour or two ago
[14:49] <shirro> gordonDrogon: the network usb combo isn't flash at normal clock speed
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> it's pulling in a few new upgraded packages a day - but that's the nature of running "testing" ...
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[14:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> cpuinfo reads 898.66 for me, though??? a quirk of multipliers or somesuch?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> shirro, Hm. What happens is that I get a number of errors to do with the ethernet, however it does actually complete, but during it's recovery it stops responding to pings, etc.
[14:50] <shirro> gordonDrogon: do you have smc turbo off in cmdline and change sysconf to change vminwhatever?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> shirro, er, not changed anything - will that help?
[14:50] <shirro> (sorry my pi is off and am too lazy to go check the settings)
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> no worries
[14:51] <teh_orph> SpeedEvil - good idea with the glue gun. Have you tried this yourself? I have a glue gun that's doing nothing...
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> what's dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 so in cmdline?
[14:51] <shirro> It slows down the networking (great a slower Pi) and increases some space reserved for buffers. Seems to help
[14:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We're in dire need of a Pi port reinforcer??? maybe I should prototype one!
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> shirro, ah interesting. this mornings upgrade was with it at 700MHz and it went fine.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> maybe we just need lighter fingers?
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[14:52] <shirro> Not sure if those settings are still needed since more recent kernel patches. I will stop being lazy and get them though.
[14:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It could clip semi-permenently onto the Pi, reinforce all the ports, and provide screw-holes for mounting into projects or full cases for good measure
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[14:53] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: I have used a glue-gun on electronics before.
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> Not specifically on the Pi.
[14:53] <teh_orph> what temperature would the solder melt at?
[14:54] <teh_orph> the same as 'normal' solder?
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> No, it's RoHS
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> so 220C or so
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[14:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm still on the first kernel from raspbian.
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[14:54] <teh_orph> I'm most worried about damaging the power connector
[14:55] <teh_orph> if I put a dab behind the socket (straight onto the board) to reinforce it
[14:55] <shirro> gordonDrogon: due to issues with network previously I still have vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 in /etc/sysctl.conf and smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in /boot/cmdline.txt
[14:55] <teh_orph> would that be a good idea?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> Plug the power connector in, glue or tie the cable to the board you're fixing it to.
[14:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> teh_orph: too right, there should have been a reset button right next to the power connector, eee!
[14:55] <friggle> shirro: gordonDrogon: I haven't needed both. Just one or the other seems to do the trick
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> shirro, I'll give that a go - see if I can concoct a scenatio to test it either way.
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[14:55] <teh_orph> yeah a reset switch or two pins to short would have done the trick
[14:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm thinking about splicing one into a male to female micro-usb cable, if such a thing exists
[14:56] <shirro> friggle: good. Might lose the turbo then. I drive a subie and don't like the idea of being normally aspirated
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[14:58] <Hexxeh> wtf, why does es2_info depend on X?
[14:59] <Veryevil> teh_orph: hot melt wont damage anything and it should add some good support
[14:59] <shirro> what does es2_info do?
[14:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hot glue will uglify the glorious virgin board that is the Pi, though!
[15:00] <Hexxeh> shirro: opengles2 equivalent of glxinfo
[15:00] <friggle> Hexxeh: try eglinfo.c from http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2719
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[15:01] <lennard> heh the rs order website is full of typos
[15:01] <lennard> also, RS finally sent me a mail to order!
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[15:01] <gordonDrogon> installing midori with new pi settings...
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[15:02] <shirro> friggle: cool. I started writing something like that but didn't do the implementation limits stuff. nice
[15:02] <teh_orph> btw I spent an hour reading through the arm hf thread
[15:02] <teh_orph> what's it actually like running it - is it stable + usable?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> Fetched 20.4 MB in 47s (427 kB/s)
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> that went OK. it didn't stall once.
[15:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: works good, thanks
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[15:03] <Veryevil> teh_orph: its running unstable
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> teh_orph, I'm using it (raspbian if that's what you mean)
[15:03] <shirro> Hexxeh: good. now I don't have to direct you to my naive github code to do it
[15:03] <Veryevil> teh_orph: wheezy
[15:04] <Veryevil> Squeeze is stablwe wheezy is unstable
[15:04] <teh_orph> unstable all the time, or just certain packages?
[15:04] <Veryevil> all of it
[15:04] <friggle> though 'unstable' Debian is pretty darn stable :)
[15:04] <friggle> though actually, wheezy == testing
[15:04] <friggle> sid == unstable
[15:04] <teh_orph> btw I mean unstable=crashy
[15:04] <Hexxeh> friggle: does eglinfo show /all/ the extensions supported? i'm looking for GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil
[15:04] <teh_orph> not unstable as in not their release branch
[15:04] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: in those terms, it's pretty stable
[15:04] <Hexxeh> at least as much so as the standard debian image
[15:05] <teh_orph> ah good stuff
[15:05] <teh_orph> I was wondering if there would be lots of sigsegv (and in particular sigill)
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[15:06] <friggle> Hexxeh: I wouldn't be surprised if some of the extensions weren't returned. eglGetProcAddress missed off some of the BRCM extensions until recently
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[15:06] <Hexxeh> friggle: trying to use the extension results in an error, though
[15:06] <Hexxeh> friggle: which makes me think it really isn't there
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[15:06] <shirro> friggle: that isn't much loss since we don't know how to call them
[15:06] <friggle> Hexxeh: take a look in include/GLES2/gl2ext.h - seems to have GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil
[15:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: maybe it's returning an error for other reasons then, gah.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> yea, Debians notion of unstable just means that the packaging and final version of the package hasn't been done properly - not neccessarily that it's actually buggy code (although...)
[15:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Eee, if both USB ports on the Pi readily offered 500mA of power, then surely just two USB peripherals using that would starve out the Pi of power given a 1A power supply???
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[15:08] <shirro> friggle: are we ever going to find out about stuff like eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM?
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> isn't there a 500mA ployfuse going to the usb power for both ports?
[15:08] <friggle> shirro: what do you need to know?
[15:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Apparently its a 150mA polyfuse
[15:08] <shirro> friggle: a header file would be handy
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> 150mA ??? wow.
[15:08] <friggle> shirro: it's added to the repo
[15:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Unless what I'm reading is profoundly out of date
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> that's why it won't boot via reverse power from my HUB...
[15:09] <Hexxeh> there was a new header added yesterday for broadcom stuff
[15:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Yup
[15:09] <shirro> nice. thanks
[15:09] <friggle> shirro: I didn't realise it still hadn't been added. Also check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k and https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,26311
[15:10] <Hexxeh> shirro: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/blob/master/vc/sdk/opt/vc/include/EGL/eglext_brcm.h
[15:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Probably explains why I have trouble with my newer WiFi adaptors, they may be smaller, but they want more juice
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I didn't realise apt-get was such a memory hogger.
[15:10] <friggle> it did actually make it in on the 11th
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> anyone here in the UK going to the field studies thing at Slapton this weekend?
[15:11] <Hexxeh> friggle: until yesterday it was broken though
[15:11] <Hexxeh> friggle: made reference to some non-public stuff
[15:11] <Hexxeh> fix went in yesterday
[15:11] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, just needed to delete the include though
[15:11] <Hexxeh> and some other bits further down too
[15:11] <shirro> I did look for the BRCM EGL stuff when the headers got reorganised. Must have been recent
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[15:13] <Hexxeh> shirro: you're familiar with gles2/egl, right?
[15:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Damn the RPi's popularity, the stupid??? it burns!
[15:13] <shirro> Hexxeh: nope. learning like everyone else. main reason for getting a Pi
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[15:14] <Hexxeh> shirro: ah alright :)
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[15:14] <Hexxeh> seems to be something of a dark art
[15:14] <friggle> I'm surprised Phoronix hasn't reported on qtwayland on the Pi yet. They normally report whenever someone even mentions wayland online
[15:14] <shirro> All I have done so far is copy example code and run some shaders for laughs. And reinvent eglinfo
[15:14] <Hexxeh> shirro: heh, more than i've done :P
[15:15] <Hexxeh> shirro: trying to get chrome running with the bcm-specifics, but failing quite hard: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/20
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[15:15] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: you really did jump in at the deep end though
[15:15] <shirro> I also have tried to build a few things that mention they may have some gles2 support and generally get dissapointed
[15:15] <Hexxeh> yeah true
[15:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Eee, I wish I had the time to play with gles :(
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> cake check time...
[15:15] <Hexxeh> shirro: my patch is here if you're interested: http://radium.hexxeh.net/chromium-dispmanx.patch
[15:15] <shirro> I am NEVER EVER going to be tempted to build Chromium
[15:16] <shirro> We have you for that Hexxeh
[15:16] <Hexxeh> yeah, but i'm pretty much at a loss now
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, did you get your modem sorted out?
[15:16] <Hexxeh> worked until about 5am trying to figure it out, hoped it'd make more sense today but it doesn't
[15:16] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: do you have a build environment image that I could get running? So I can poke about a bit
[15:17] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: do you have a 64-bit ubuntu box and a fast internet connection?
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> needs another 5-10 miniutes...
[15:17] <Hexxeh> if so, it's pretty easy to get the env up and running
[15:17] <Veryevil> I have a 32-bit Debian running
[15:17] <Hexxeh> damn, 64-bit is a requirement
[15:17] <Veryevil> damn
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[15:18] <Veryevil> some of my other envornments wouldnt play nice with 64-bit
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[15:18] <Veryevil> what about a VMware image?
[15:18] <shirro> I am going to start going through toolkits soon. EFL, Cairo, Clutter, whatever and see what I can make work. The Qt guys are way out in front but I want to look at the alternatives anyway.
[15:18] <Hexxeh> that'd work Veryevil
[15:19] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, clutter would be nice
[15:19] <shirro> yeah, kind of worried about the number of projects that have started with clutter and then dumped it
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[15:20] <Veryevil> why is 64-bit needed?
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[15:21] <friggle> shirro: Enlightenment might be interesting
[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, yeah, I've never really looked too much into it... but it looks nice >.>
[15:21] <friggle> like Qt, they're their own little ecosystem
[15:21] <shirro> Samsung seem keen on EFL
[15:21] <friggle> indeed
[15:21] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: I have debian 64-bit at home
[15:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ugh, I keep ending up in stupid threads and becoming convinced to do the same thing myself by the end of it!
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[15:23] <Veryevil> If people are looking for OpenGL ES things to do I'd love someone to get a port of the game Uplink going. Someone has already ported it to OpenGL ES but it would need Broadcom'ing
[15:24] <Veryevil> Someone made a Open Pandora version using GL ES
[15:24] <friggle> Veryevil: didn't know that bit had already been done. Probably not all that hard then
[15:24] <Davespice> Veryevil: I still haven't managed to draw a triangle yet :)
[15:24] <Veryevil> no its not
[15:24] <Veryevil> I bet
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> hm. midori died halfway through fetcing news.bbc.co.uk )-:
[15:24] <Veryevil> disable java
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> don't have java. at least I don't think I have java - this is raspbian.
[15:25] <friggle> Veryevil means javascript
[15:25] <Veryevil> Uplink would just need to be compiled against the Boardcom libries
[15:25] <Veryevil> I do
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[15:26] <shirro> I tried to build cairo with gles a couple of nights ago but didn't get far and not sure if I want to go back to it. EFL can be fun even without acceleration. Clutter brings in all the gobject stuff and I don't know if I want to go there at the moment. I tried compiling some vala stuff on the Pi and it ate all my memory
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[15:29] <MikeH> Hi Guys, I've just had my invitation to buy a RPi I think
[15:29] <MikeH> however, the site doesn't feel right. URL is https://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/
[15:29] <shirro> MikeH: I got one as well
[15:29] <MikeH> but it hardly looks like the professional site that RS' main site is
[15:30] <Davespice> its the right site, I ordered from there today
[15:30] <Davespice> and have had my receipt email come through
[15:31] <shirro> MikeH: it looks to be built on the cheap by Malta's number one shopping cart people
[15:31] <Davespice> although I went to; http://authenticate.rsdelivers.com - to use the code they send in the mail
[15:31] <MikeH> oh yes, I did that
[15:31] <MikeH> then it took me to the other one
[15:31] <MikeH> I tried using a different card to usual and it declined, which seemed weird to me
[15:31] <MikeH> my main card just went though ok, so I'm sure it's fine
[15:32] <trevorman> its the real site
[15:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Well I ordered my Pi from RS on that site, and it turned up??? but yeah, it's a shoddy hashed together site to deal with the RPi
[15:32] <Veryevil> Anyone want to have a go porting Uplink to PI?
[15:33] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_mbp: how long was the time between order and delivery for you?
[15:33] <shirro> Veryevil: what is Uplink?
[15:33] <Veryevil> Its an awsome game
[15:33] <fALSO> hacker wannbe game
[15:33] <Veryevil> awesome*
[15:33] <shirro> so awesome I never heard of it
[15:33] <fALSO> from 1830 before christ
[15:33] <Veryevil> ha ha
[15:33] <fALSO> :-P
[15:33] <Veryevil> had lots of fun playing it
[15:34] <fALSO> is it open source now ?
[15:34] <Veryevil> http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/
[15:34] <fALSO> good luck running that on the pi
[15:34] <Veryevil> Not strickly open. They released developer access
[15:35] <Veryevil> to people who board the Humble Bundle
[15:35] <Veryevil> bought*
[15:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: seemingly 1 working day, because a bank holiday weekend was sandwiched by the day I ordered and the day it was delivered
[15:36] <Veryevil> Some guy has already dont the hard part of converting it to Open GL ES from OpenGL
[15:36] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_mbp: thats quite quick, my order says 3 weeks to dispatch on it... maybe they're just covering themselves?
[15:36] <Veryevil> I can let someone have my svn access if they would be willing to Pi it up
[15:36] <Davespice> Veryevil: does it use SDL?
[15:37] <Veryevil> yeah
[15:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: mine said "within 7 days", and I was surprised at the speed
[15:37] * Davespice shrugs :)
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[15:37] <Veryevil> cannot remember if that is just for user input
[15:38] <Davespice> well if its SDL based it might just compile already on the Pi
[15:38] <Davespice> although work would probably need to be done to take advantage of the GPU and make sure its doing OpenGLES
[15:39] <Veryevil> well someone ported it from OpenGL to ES but the main problem I had was getting a working build environment set up
[15:39] <Davespice> I'm trying to get a grip on what you do in the game
[15:39] <Veryevil> download the demo and have a go
[15:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My Pi is currently compiling, of all things, mc-server
[15:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I should probably just permaconnect my Pi at home, port forward it and let real developers use SSH to port stuff to it, ha!
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[15:43] <Veryevil> shirro: you interested at all?
[15:44] <shirro> Veryevil: sorry, not really.
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[15:45] <astom> is there somebody using a TL-WN722N
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> right. lemon cake drizzled and I made some soda bread for myself..
[15:48] <ShiftPlusOne> astom, lemme check
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[15:48] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: yum!
[15:48] <astom> the raspi seem to not have enough power to feed it
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[15:49] <ShiftPlusOne> astom, TL-WN721N here, but should be pretty much the same
[15:49] <astom> ShiftPlusOne: What does lsusb show you
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually cooking the lemon drizzle cake for the most discerning of people... the WI group my wife goes to...
[15:50] <astom> ShiftPlusOne: here: AR9271
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> astom, nothing, I am on windows right now.
[15:50] <astom> ohh
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> but the 721 looks like it's the same thing
[15:50] <astom> ShiftPlusOne: but it worked on your pi?
[15:50] <ShiftPlusOne> USB doesn't work too well at all on my pi, even with a hub. But yes, it works if I don't have anything else plugged in.
[15:51] <astom> same but without ext. antenna
[15:51] <teh_orph> can I register interest to get some of this drizzle cake?
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> But then it sometimes 'disconnects' and reconnects it, dropping the connection.
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm in for lemon drizzle cake, kickstarter here we gooo!
[15:51] <trevorman> lol
[15:51] <astom> ShiftPlusOne: weird...
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[15:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Pledge ??100 and get one lemon drizzle cake, plus 50 additional lemon drizzle cakes for your friends
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[15:51] <teh_orph> is it RoHS lemon?
[15:52] <astom> I should buy another adapter
[15:52] <astom> in Arch it doesnt seem to worjk
[15:52] <astom> ip link set wlan0 up
[15:52] <astom> doesnt complain
[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> astom, using Arch as well. I tried different supplies, from 700mA up to 3A... doesn't make a difference.
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[15:52] <astom> currently using my netbook's usb to power the pi
[15:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> astom: if it draws more than ~100mA it's probably going to fail
[15:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You could poke jump leads from the Pi right into the mains, and it still wouldn't provide enough power for many WiFi devices
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Midori now working in Raspbian with scripts disabled.
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[15:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> astom: have you tried running it via a USB hub?
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_mbp, what's the reason for that? Just a crappy chip?
[15:54] <astom> what are jump leads?
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> it's actually, almost usable...
[15:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: nope, just highly limited current on the Pi's USB ports, apparently
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> astom, jump leads typically used to start one car from another...
[15:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_mbp, hm... going to take a look at the schem.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> 1753 gordon 20 0 178m 42m 22m S 0.0 22.6 0:37.76 midori
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[15:55] <astom> ohh
[15:55] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_mbp: the strange thing is that somebody said they've been powering their RPi via the USB sockets and its been okay for days
[15:55] <astom> gordonDrogon: I know now...
[15:55] <trevorman> everybody else that has accidentally tried that has said it doesn't work properly and crashes etc... but *shrug*
[15:55] <ShiftPlusOne> trevorman, most usb ports will work fine as they can provide way more than 500mA.
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> mine wouldn't power from the USB - well, it would start, then load the kernel, print some messages then reboot...
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe their polyfuse has shorted...
[15:56] <astom> gordonDrogon: Well, mine doesnt work with HDMI
[15:56] <astom> but headless there is no problem
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> that's probably the only thing that would stop it.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> astom, I'd go back to basics - power, keyboard and screen and see what you get there...
[15:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: I'm referring to this thread, and my own experiences with USB devices that want lots of juice: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5830
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Lol, there's a Minecraft Server running on my Raspberry Pi....
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just... bad.
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[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> the minecraft server and the USB thing.
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, it'll probably set my SD card on fire
[15:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and eat up the memory as soon as you add a plugin or a person joins.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, intersting thread that (well the first page!)
[15:59] <ShiftPlusOne> unless it's one of the c/c++ 'lightweight' servers
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Nah, it'll pretty much eat up the memory just idling
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: It does descent into insanity
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's just a cheap way of protecting things rather than have a "proper" USB power chip, but ...
[16:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Connecting to the server...
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> so what it boils down to is: Use a hub for anything that needs any amount of current.
[16:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I still debate that the Pi could really properly power two USB ports
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> and a powered hub at that.
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[16:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't had luck with any hub.
[16:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You'd need 2A power supply minimum
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I've only powered arduino, keyboard & mice off my hub.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> it has a 2A supply though.
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[16:01] <ShiftPlusOne> but if anyone knows a hub that works with pi and lets you connect a few things at once, I'd love to know.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> LOGIK ...
[16:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi apparently doesn't like my hub
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I suspect I got lucky...
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a USB wi-fi dongle.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'll plug my phone in... see what happens.
[16:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Ok... I'll buy a third hub then and see how that one goes.
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> because right now, my pi isn't usable for anything I want to use it for
[16:03] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: what are you doing with the breadboard?
[16:04] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly making blinkenlights
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, just playing with LEDs and switches for now.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> maxed out: http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Hm. raspbian kernel isn't recognising phone.
[16:05] <Vostok> which gpio pins allow you to do that
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> most of them.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> ah, it's found it.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> so Pi is charging my phone and seeing its usb 'disk' ...
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> phone is charged though...
[16:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Vostok: see: http://www.gadgetoid.com/2012/05/15/raspberry-pi-an-out-of-box-education-with-ruby/
[16:06] <MikeH> So has anyone done anything interesting with their RPi yet?
[16:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Vostok: specifically: http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00884.jpg
[16:07] <astom> is it valid to use one of these cables? http://www.insidesocal.com/click/toshiba_usb_drive_with_double_USB_cable_550.jpg
[16:07] <astom> one conected to the pi and the other to a ac usb phone charger
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[16:08] <astom> I dont know what would happen if I share that cable between a pi and another thing
[16:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Can't seem to get anything out of my MC server other than endless chunk generation
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> astom, those cables are cheats to power something off 2 USB sockets.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> astom, if you use one to power one device I'm not sure you'll gain anything - it's 140mA for both sockets (I think?)
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm failing to see what's wrong with most powered hubs - they must be the simplest of things to produce. Stick a 2A PSU on them and you're all set...
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> or did I just luck out? In which-case, go and buy a LOGIC hub...
[16:12] <ChuckHunky> hi. has anyone seen any memory leak problems with debian squeeze?
[16:14] <Davespice> ChuckHunky: I was wondering about that. I find that after using X desktop or VNC Server some memory doesn't seem to release
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[16:15] <astom> gordonDrogon: why just 140mA
[16:15] <astom> ?
[16:15] <ChuckHunky> Davespice: This is on a headless machine, so no X involved or anything. I've got nothing really running on it other than SSH and Samba, I notice avail memory slowly goes down over time
[16:16] <Davespice> yeah, do you run winbind too?
[16:16] <astom> ChuckHunky: Didn't try it... but Arch is working pretty well!
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> astom, thats what the designers of the Pi specified.
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm hot sodabread right out of the oven with home-made butter. Yum yum yum...
[16:18] <MikeH> Has anyone seen any information about Plex coming to the RPi at all?
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Plex? As in the hosting front-end Plex, or something else?
[16:18] <ChuckHunky> Davespice: Nope, not winbind
[16:18] <MikeH> gordonDrogon: plexapp.com
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> doh. I'm thinking of plesk!
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> wow!!! Subject: Raspberry Pi ? Time to order
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> From RS!!!
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[16:21] <gordonDrogon> And all this time I thought they'd been ignoring me...
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> So do I get one (and have 3 in 2 weeks time), or ...
[16:22] <astom> gordonDrogon: oh, that's the current when the resetable fuses go down
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> astom, yes.
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[16:25] <astom> Im thinking about buying one of these usb to paralell adaptor http://reed.com.ar/images/products/USBaCentro.jpg
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> astom, do you have a need for it? You have an ancient printer?
[16:26] <trevorman> ShiftPlusOne: yeah but there is a polyfuse on the USB ports
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[16:27] <trevorman> you can't supply more than 140mA apparently so trying to power the RPi via the socket would also mean you can't give it more than ~140mA either. something isn't right there :P
[16:28] <zgreg> the polyfuses might also cause other problems
[16:28] <Vostok> where are the fuses located at?
[16:29] <Vostok> any maps?
[16:29] <zgreg> they have a rather high resistance and that causes a notable voltage drop
[16:29] <astom> gordonDrogon: I want to experiment with inputs and outputs without risking the board (asi in GPIO)
[16:29] <trevorman> Vostok: they're next to the USB sockets
[16:29] <zgreg> some devices don't like when the voltage drops down to < 4.5V :)
[16:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Another useless adventure: http://www.gadgetoid.com/rpi/rpi-minecraft.jpg
[16:30] <trevorman> zgreg: yeah. people powering the RPi off phone chargers that only put out 4.8V isn't making it any better :|
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[16:30] <andypiper> what JVM is mine craft running on on the Pi?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> astom, ok, but if you get a decent breadboard and cables and start with LEDs and switches the chances of blowing anything up are minimal.
[16:30] <fALSO> java on the pi?
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> astom, and it'll be easier to program than to use a parallel port over USB (I suspect)
[16:31] <trevorman> running the MC server off the Pi is going to give you awful performance. the server wants a ton of RAM and a fast CPU.
[16:31] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Have you seen this http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/gpu-command-buffer
[16:31] <fALSO> i bet thats a remote X app
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> So what's the typical time from order to delivery via RS? They say 3 weeks...
[16:31] <astom> gordonDrogon: Ok, you have convinced me not to buy the adapter, hehe
[16:31] <huene> ShiftPlusOne: no, didn't work further on it yet
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> astom, spend your mony on a decent powered hub...
[16:31] <trevorman> ChuckHunky: you looking at total memory used including buffers?
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[16:32] <astom> gordonDrogon: That is a better idea, although I don't know if it's easy to get a powered hub here
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[16:33] <astom> gordonDrogon: it is a shame that delivery was more expensive than the board itself
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> astom, Ah right. You can get a Pi, but Brazil can't!
[16:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Weird, this server likes to sit and idly generate chunks
[16:35] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_mbp: chunk generation is sloooooow
[16:35] <ChuckHunky> trevorman: ah, good point, i'll keep an eye on buffers too. i've disabled samba temporarily as i've a feeling that's causing it
[16:35] <dmsuse> samba is no good for file transfers
[16:36] <ChuckHunky> dmsuse: Noooo, not using it for that. I've got a big USB drive attached that I'm sharing to my v1 Xbox via Samba
[16:37] <ChuckHunky> Xbox is running XBMC
[16:37] <dmsuse> k
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[16:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> trevorman: very, very slow??? even @900Mhz. It's purely CPU-slow, too, as it doesn't write the chunks as it generates them
[16:38] <Davespice> can anyone tell me what the SSH login and password is for the XBMC builds?
[16:39] <trevorman> openelec?
[16:39] <ChuckHunky> Gadgetoid_mbp: I'm just impressed you got it doing anything!
[16:39] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_mbp: it'll pregenerate spawn for you when you first start it but if anybody moves then it'll start generating more chunks
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[16:40] <astom> gordonDrogon: Are you sure? Argentina wasnt on the list either and I could buy it
[16:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Seems to have hung on "Saving all chunks" now
[16:40] <trevorman> chunks are compressed so its hammering the CPU again
[16:40] <Davespice> aha, its openelec / openelec
[16:40] <dmsuse> why would argentina want anything from the uk lol
[16:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ah, it's still alive. I'm going to connect again for giggles!
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[16:41] <dmsuse> they should ship them via the falklands :P
[16:42] <astom> dmsuse: well, pink floyd and the raspi is acceptable :p
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> astom, Well, there was someone here recently complaining that he was in Brazil and couldn't order...
[16:44] <astom> gordonDrogon: yes, I ended up giving him SSH access to my raspi... at least, he was satisfied for a few hours
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Server seems to run fairly happily for one player, it's surprising
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ~12mb free mem on the Pi
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[17:28] <Guest60669> The number on the sticker is less than 10,000. does that mean it's from the first batch?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> who knows...
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[17:33] <vahnx> countdown until mine ships - t minus 1 month
[17:33] <trevorman> Guest60669: sticker?
[17:33] <vahnx> sad really.. but guess i cant complain for $37.50
[17:34] <Guest60669> trevorman: Yes. It is from RS Online and has two circular stickers on the box which act as a seal. They say RS and my a number less than 10,000
[17:35] <trevorman> oh. no idea. those stickers aren't on the farnell one.
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[17:35] <trevorman> the first batch was 2000 anyway
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[17:37] <Guest60669> Yeah, I meant the first batch of 10k they did
[17:37] <Guest60669> Hmm
[17:37] <Guest60669> maybe I'm getting confused
[17:38] <trevorman> if you've had it for awhile then its going to be the first batch. no idea otherwise.
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[17:43] <pingec> Is there a pi image I could fit on a 128MB SD ?
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[17:45] <IT_Sean> pingec: no.
[17:45] <pingec> ok
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Shouldn't be a problem to make
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> My RS one has batch ID 1137 ... nothing on the round stickers.
[17:45] <trevorman> I guess you could use that emergency kernel + initramfs
[17:45] <trevorman> thats pretty small
[17:47] <WASDx> I registered my interest at both farnell and RS. I placed my order at farnell a month ago. Just now I got a preorder-code from RS. What to do with it?
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[17:47] <SpeedEvil> Ebay the code!
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[17:47] <pingec> lol
[17:48] <WASDx> I could register there too with the same limit credit card, and the one who is ready to ship first does the payment :)
[17:48] <IT_Sean> WASDx: if you don't want it, just don't order... your slot will go to the next person in the queue
[17:48] <WASDx> s/limit/limited
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> As I saw the order process that'd work - you'd need to supply your email address to them - but it is not used other than to maeil a shipment confiemation
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[17:50] <IT_Sean> i'd say, if you don't want it, to either: just don't order it, and let it go to the next person in the queue, OR, better yet, order it, and then sell it to a DEVLOPER at COST.
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[17:51] <drazyl> order it and then make them both into ear-rings
[17:53] <DDave> & snap pictures
[17:54] <IT_Sean> I reg'd interest at both suppliers. I intend to order from whichever one lets me order first.
[17:55] <DDave> I havent registered yet....
[17:55] <DDave> What's the point? IF Im ever getting a raspi its going to be in 2013 for sure..
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> I've just placed my order with RS..
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> I was amazed when they sent me the email a couple of hours ago!
[17:55] <DDave> IT_Sean: are you a dev?
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> They said up to 3 week delivery on the email...
[17:56] <IT_Sean> Am i an ARMdev, no. Do i play with my own code, yes. Do i want to try and help further raspi devlopment any way i can, of course. So.,.. define your terms. ;)
[17:57] <drazyl> boolean dev = true;
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> But not neccessarily one of the favourd few by the foundation...
[17:58] <IT_Sean> I'll be honest... I want a raspi because i want to play with it. It's something to tinker with. That said, i do intend to assist raspi devlopment as much as i am able to while i have the thing :p
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> have to say, my thoughts are similar to IT_Sean ...
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> although I already have a Pi :)
[18:00] <IT_Sean> I'm not getting it to use as a media device, and i'm not getting it 'cause it's "popular" or "trendy", so... read into that however you like.
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[18:02] * IT_Sean drops a pin
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Boing...
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[18:02] * passstab dives to catch it
[18:03] * passstab is too early and the pin cuts his neck
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[18:03] * IT_Sean calls NOT IT on cleaning up the blood and disposing of the corpse
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> anyone know the command in debian to find out which package a program is part of?
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> raspbian is missing 'cal' ...
[18:05] <friggle> bsdmainutils
[18:05] <friggle> is what it is in
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[18:06] <friggle> gordonDrogon: dpkg --search /usr/bin/cal
[18:07] <friggle> oh no, you want apt-file if it's not install
[18:07] <friggle> apt-file search /usr/bin/cal
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[18:07] <Cheery> hi
[18:08] <jardiamj> any developer around Oregon, US that want/needs a Pi?
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> bsdmainutils
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[18:09] <Cheery> nope. but I'd need one. :P
[18:09] <jardiamj> I already got my RPi from Farnell and now I got an email from RS components saying that I can order from them
[18:09] <Cheery> oh
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm waiting on mine from Farnell and just for the RS email too.
[18:09] <vahnx> i dont even remember who i ordered mine from
[18:09] <vahnx> i just did whatever worked on day 1
[18:10] <DDave> IT_Sean: I hear you
[18:10] <DDave> Id like a RaspPi to finally have a dedicated linux box at home :D (with a little sarcasm)
[18:10] <DDave> Use it for file storage and so on...not really going to use the HDMI ;) xD
[18:11] <vahnx> I'd use it for media except for the fact i have PC surround sound speakers :(
[18:11] <vahnx> so cant use them on my TV
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> offline for a bit.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> laters
[18:12] <vahnx> PC surround sound $100 vs normal $300 surround sound
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[18:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Better to buy a hard drive with a built in multi-purpose server than try hooking disks up to an RPi imo
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[18:13] <DDave> There wont be any high troughput
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[18:13] <DDave> so its alright
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[18:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I just daisy chain hard drives off my computer, it's getting a bit silly now :D
[18:14] <Cheery> gartenzwerg shared his pi with an ssh and ustream.tv
[18:14] <Cheery> but he's not here
[18:14] <Cheery> or there
[18:14] <Cheery> I wonder whether anyone else could do same?
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheery: I've been considering it
[18:15] <DDave> why would you do that?
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sharing is caring!
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[18:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'll have to buy some SD cards though, I seem to be short of them
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[18:18] <DDave> would you let devs compile stuff on your rasp?
[18:18] <DDave> i.e. test code and so on
[18:19] <IT_Sean> sorry, i was afk. Went to get a sammiich.
[18:19] <Cheery> DDave: well there's no reason not to deny access since it's easy to plug in a card with no critical data inside it.
[18:19] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i'd make my Pi avail for testing when i wasn't using it
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yup, I imagine it's possible for malicious devs to trash it but I'd just throw an SD card in it with a fresh Debian image
[18:19] <IT_Sean> Yup
[18:20] <Cheery> and it will help those who don't have it yet.. oh and it's sort of fun too :) you see the stuff on your display of what the ppl are doing.
[18:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm not sure how you'd trash a Pi via SSH using only the power of code
[18:20] <IT_Sean> I'd probably keep two SD cards. One for my own use, and one for remote access by others.
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[18:20] <DDave> sounds cool though
[18:20] <DDave> I like the spirit guys :)
[18:20] <DDave> I am far to paranoid at times..
[18:20] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_mbp: I know. it'd require messing up with /boot and ask restart.
[18:21] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_mbp: I promise to not do that though.
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I should have bought those SD cards yesterday, gah, I keep putting it off and hoping for a good deal, but the ~??12 Samsung ones at 16GB, class 6 looks good and are supposed to be Pi compatible
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I don't believe anyone in here would maliciously trash a Pi, and I reckon those who would, wouldn't know how
[18:21] <IT_Sean> not yet, anyway.
[18:22] <trevorman> i'd be more concerned about people trying to spam or probe your internal network than trying to trash the pi itself
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheery: you mentioned Ustream, was that a live capture of the composite output?
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[18:22] <Cheery> trevorman: yeah. it still needs SSH password and that shouldn't be public.
[18:23] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_mbp: gartenzwerg had just a webcam pointed towards the display
[18:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheery: haha, that's one way of doing it!
[18:23] <Cheery> it was sufficient :]
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[18:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'll have to see about hacking it together when I get home, I don't have a spare display to leave on but might be able to do capturing of the video output
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[18:26] <IT_Sean> ...
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[18:26] <IT_Sean> okay.. really?
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[18:27] <Cheery> huh?
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[18:27] <IT_Sean> DeviceZer0... lots of Join / Parts. Your client may be set to ignore them
[18:28] <Cheery> yeah I see them
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[18:28] <Cheery> I wonder what's he is flooding
[18:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Heh!
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The lowlands of Britain maybe, plenty of flooding here, har!
[18:29] <drazyl> you're here all week, try the veal?
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[18:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Right, it's time to dash??? I'll see about digging up a spare SD card or reimaging my cruddy 2GB one and getting a Pishare running
[18:30] <DDave> so cool :)
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[18:33] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_mbp: once you get it working.. I think I'd like to try out few things with the dispman API
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[18:44] <IT_Sean> i think Gadgetoid_mbp has officially coined the phrase "pishare"
[18:45] <chris_99> Pishare?
[18:45] <Cheery> sounds like something drunkards would do.
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[18:47] <IT_Sean> hey now.
[18:47] <Cheery> well I like the term still. :)
[18:47] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[18:48] <Hexxeh> bloody facepalm
[18:48] <IT_Sean> !??
[18:48] <Hexxeh> no wonder i couldn't get dispmanx working in chrome
[18:48] <Hexxeh> chrome for ARM was barfing yesterday...
[18:48] <Cheery> cut to your fingers?
[18:48] <Hexxeh> even on supported platforms
[18:49] <Cheery> Hexxeh: how much do you know about dispmanx?
[18:49] <Hexxeh> very very little
[18:49] <Cheery> oh okay
[18:49] <friggle> Cheery: you having any particular problems?
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[18:50] <Cheery> friggle: well I'd like to write an experimental desktop environment for pi.
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[18:51] <friggle> Cheery: multi-process?
[18:51] <Cheery> friggle: for that I'd need to understand dispmanx and how to get framebuffers/display multiplexed for many processes
[18:51] <Cheery> yes
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[18:51] <Cheery> of course, otherwise there wouldn't be much point in it.
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[18:52] <Foxhoundz> Hello Pi!
[18:52] <Foxhoundz> I finally ordered mine!
[18:52] <friggle> Cheery: did you see the qtwayland stuff yesterday?
[18:52] <Cheery> friggle: I weren't here yesterady
[18:53] <friggle> Cheery: one of the Nokia guys got the qtwayland compositor working with the eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM extension to share textures between processes
[18:53] <friggle> Cheery: see https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,26311 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k
[18:54] <Cheery> now that's cool
[18:56] <Cheery> friggle: so it hijacks the display just like usual but uses that extension to share the framebuffer target?
[18:57] <friggle> Cheery: each app renders to a gl buffer, these get composited by the compositor
[18:57] <friggle> which I guess is probably a full window gl buffer
[18:57] <friggle> ideally you could optimise for the full window client case by skipping the compositing case
[18:58] <Cheery> friggle: ideally I should
[18:58] <friggle> Cheery: but we're currently discussing if there's a way to do that, so leave that as a later optimisation
[19:00] <Cheery> friggle: this explains few things.. like that why dispman did not have compositing support
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[19:01] <Hexxeh> it does, doesn't it?
[19:01] <friggle> I think you could do single process compositing using the layer mechanism
[19:01] <friggle> but for multiprocess, you need the global image support
[19:01] <Cheery> I'll add it to my forum post because it appears first when I google dispmanx
[19:02] <friggle> Cheery: where is your forum post?
[19:02] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5621
[19:03] <friggle> Cheery: I can help you with update a bit too
[19:03] <Cheery> okay
[19:03] <Cheery> lets try make some simple compositing example in C.
[19:04] <friggle> Cheery: so, let's say you want to support a hardware cursor. The way Dom suggested to do it is you vc_dispmanx_element_add to a certain layer. Then, as you update it you get an update handle with vc_dispmanx_update_start(0);
[19:04] <friggle> Cheery: then vcdispmanx_element_remove your cursor, then vc_dispmanx_element_add again (with a new dest_rect)
[19:04] <friggle> then vc_dispmanx_update_submit (this remove and add is atomic because it occurred between and update_start/update_submit)
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[19:05] <friggle> looked to me like yo ucould vc_dispmanx_element_change_attributes instead, but Dom said he preferred that way for some reason
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[19:06] <Cheery> okay.
[19:08] <friggle> Cheery: please do write that example, stick it up on github with an MIT license
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[19:08] <aknewhope> whats the best sd card to get so far?
[19:08] <aknewhope> as far as small reads and writes
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[19:08] <aknewhope> speedwise and realiability
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[19:08] <friggle> reliability takes alot of measurement :)
[19:09] <Hexxeh> Cheery: if you're well versed in EGL/GLES/dispmanx, then i'd hugely appreciate some help getting chrome running on it
[19:09] <friggle> you really want a wearout test
[19:09] <Cheery> Hexxeh: I only have about GL experience before this.
[19:10] <friggle> Cheery: I think people would find a simple example useful. I can nudge Dom and others to take a look and check the API usage is as-recommended, then everyone can use that as a reference
[19:10] <Cheery> friggle: that was the plan.
[19:11] <friggle> Cheery: awesome, keep me updated
[19:11] <aknewhope> well, ok.
[19:12] <aknewhope> hopefully some manufacturers start making sd cards geared towards faster 512 and 4k reads and write for this purpose
[19:12] <friggle> aknewhope: Transcend Class 4 4gb has been good to me. Pretty reasonable benchmark results, and not a bad price
[19:12] <friggle> aknewhope: we've used dozens and dozens of them
[19:12] <Cheery> friggle: sure thing. though I probably need pi shared quite soon.
[19:12] <aknewhope> ok thanks
[19:12] <aknewhope> ill try it
[19:13] <friggle> Cheery: ah, you don't have a pi? that does make it a little more difficult
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[19:14] <Cheery> friggle: little bit. but I'll still start on it. :)
[19:14] <friggle> I wish there was cheap hardware that could be used to set up a bunch of shared pis. Really you want something like onlive/gaikai that h264 encodes the hdmi output
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[19:14] <friggle> the easiest/cheapest way currently would be to point a webcam at a monitor...which seems silly :)
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[19:17] <r00t|home> friggle: doing it in software won't do?
[19:18] <friggle> r00t|home: well, you still need hardware that could take 1080p/720p hdmi input before you can do the encode
[19:18] <friggle> r00t|home: so let's say, at Christmas we had a datacenter with 10-20 raspberry pi's set up that devs could access remotely. It would have been handy
[19:18] <friggle> sure you can vnc/ssh, but if you're fine with that you might as well just use qemu or a similar armv6 board
[19:19] <IT_Sean> Unless you are testing something specific to the raspi hardware
[19:20] <friggle> IT_Sean: ok, so *maybe* kernel dev, but otherwise if you need actual hardware and you only have remote access it's only really graphics stuff that's feasible to do
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[19:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm wondering if hooking my Pi up to a SlingBox will work
[19:21] <Cheery> friggle: if you have a webcam and pi handy, you could do that kind of setting soon.
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[19:21] <Cheery> I start studying the hello_pi example now, and the changeset you linked to.
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[19:23] <friggle> Gadgetoid_Air: oh good idea, those are nice and cheap rather than tha ~??C500-1000 devices I saw
[19:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> friggle: Just hooked mine up to my slingbox??? probably needs some adjustment though, the picture is cropped
[19:24] <friggle> Gadgetoid_Air: does that take composite in or hdmi?
[19:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just composite on mine, I don't think any take hdmi but the HD ones do component
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[19:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think I need to add overscan back into my config text
[19:26] <friggle> yeah, you'll almost definitely need overscan for composite
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[19:32] <Hexxeh> tpresence: got an exact error? don't use PNM
[19:32] <Hexxeh> *PM
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[19:32] <tpresence> I grabbed from github
[19:33] <tpresence> lemme check something
[19:33] <tpresence> maybe some copy stuff has embedded /boot
[19:35] <Hexxeh> what?
[19:36] <tpresence> looks like there was multiple copies of /boot in /boot
[19:36] <tpresence> such as /boot/boot
[19:36] <tpresence> or /boot.bak/boot
[19:36] <Cheery> it's sort of interesting that hdmi capture cards cost that much.
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[19:36] <tpresence> its the crypto
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[19:38] <Cheery> seems like there's been wrong people in committee on deciding the features in hdmi
[19:38] <Cheery> should fix that thing some day
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[19:40] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: so.. is it up now? ):
[19:40] <Cheery> :)
[19:41] <hamitron> not in public guys ;/
[19:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery: got sidelined cooking!
[19:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> hamitron: Haaaarr! I see what you did there
[19:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> I need to grab an ethernet cable and an RCA to 3.5mm adaptor and that should wrap it up nicely
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[19:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery, you okay using Slingbox.com to view the display?
[19:55] <Cheery> what does it involve?
[19:55] <Cheery> it'd be good if it'd be streaming to public, but it's enough if I can see what my code is doing
[19:55] <Cheery> afk 5min
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[19:55] <Foxhoundz> Guys
[19:56] <Foxhoundz> I have a general question about my RPi order
[19:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> I might be able to set up a webcam feed later, when the inlaws aren't in the spare room
[19:56] <Foxhoundz> it says here ( http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7025/orderv.png ) that it should be "despatched" in three weeks
[19:56] <normod> I just ordered
[19:56] <Foxhoundz> Is the three weeks to process the order
[19:57] <Foxhoundz> or is it the expected time it will take for it to be delivered
[19:57] <Foxhoundz> or at least shipped
[19:57] <Hexxeh> as in, they'r
[19:57] <Hexxeh> they'll send it to you in 3 weeks
[19:57] <Hexxeh> and you'll get it maybe a week after that
[19:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> IN or WITHIN?
[19:58] <Hexxeh> within, even
[19:59] <Foxhoundz> that's great
[19:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> As I said before, said "within" 7 "working" days for me, and I got it in less than one working day
[19:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> They must work more days than the average bear
[20:00] <Foxhoundz> Gadgetoid_Air: did you order from Farnell or Newark?
[20:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Foxhoundz: Oh, I ordered from RS
[20:01] <Foxhoundz> I'm still in shock
[20:01] <Foxhoundz> I was expecting it to be delivered in December or something
[20:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahhhh a stream of SD card errors, lovely!
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[20:02] <haltdef> I'd forgotten about actually getting one until I got an email from RS
[20:02] <haltdef> ordered, 3 days later here it is
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[20:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> A wild 32GB SD card appears...
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[20:07] <alusion> has the Raspberry Pi been officially released yet?
[20:07] <IT_Sean> ...
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[20:07] <Foxhoundz> alusion: it has been released for quite some time now
[20:07] <IT_Sean> have you been under a rock for the past 6 months?
[20:07] <simonlc> !g pi day
[20:07] <PiBot> simonlc: http://www.piday.org/ - "Pi Day"
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[20:08] <alusion> last time I tried buying it I was too late (Dev edition)
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[20:08] <Foxhoundz> alusion: most people couldn't get their hands on it at first. I just placed my order that I started several months ago
[20:08] <alusion> Where can I order?
[20:09] <Foxhoundz> You can't order it right now, but you can "place an interest" on it, which will queue you up in line to place you order when more boards are available
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[20:09] <alusion> I wanna create a cheap and effective home surveillance, and a queue is fine. Can you provide me a link please?
[20:10] <alusion> woah what happened to my text o_o
[20:10] <Foxhoundz> alusion: One of the vendors is RS: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[20:10] <Foxhoundz> And Newark being the other one: http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi2.html
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[20:10] <Foxhoundz> both are unfortunately not taking orders at this time, but you can still fill out the form to get notifications when more boards are available
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[20:11] <IT_Sean> filling out the form will secure your place in the queue, and they will email you when they have one to sell you.
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[20:13] <alusion> THanks for the information guys =)
[20:13] <Foxhoundz> alusion: and take a look at this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2380
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[20:13] <alusion> Perfect!
[20:14] <simonlc> is it just me or do the categories in the forum suck?
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[20:14] <dragonchaser> hi
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[20:14] <dragonchaser> anybody got a working xorg.conf for raspi with bitdepth 24bit and fullhd?
[20:15] <Cheery> back
[20:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm having a bit of an SD adventure
[20:16] <simonlc> is it possible to hot swap sd cards, like have say arch on one, and debian on the other?
[20:16] <dragonchaser> simonlc: why shouldn't it?
[20:16] <Cheery> you should unmount your sd card first
[20:17] <markus> like change root fs without rebooting?
[20:17] <simonlc> I'm not really sure how the raspi works in that aspect
[20:17] <rm> may want to power off the device while swapping
[20:17] <simonlc> no, with reboot
[20:17] <dragonchaser> simonlc: no problem i have 2 cards one with openelec one with debian
[20:17] <haltdef> that's not a hotswap then :P
[20:18] <dragonchaser> but you have to reboot, no hotswapping
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[20:18] <rm> does anyone have a R Pi running, with Debian installed, right now? to run a quick benchmark
[20:18] <markus> it does infinite loops in 8 seconds
[20:18] <dragonchaser> rm: stripped down without proper x
[20:18] <simonlc> ok cool, so the only setup required for a rpi is formating an sd card/installing os?
[20:19] <dragonchaser> simonlc: in general yes
[20:19] <rm> dragonchaser, install the "mbw" package (it's small and is in the repos), then run "mbw 50", thanks :)
[20:19] <Cheery> dragonchaser: well it boots immediately if you restart the thing.. so you better power off
[20:19] <markus> i think it must be possible to install an os on a usb stick as well?
[20:19] <markus> is it?
[20:19] <tpresence> it is
[20:20] <tpresence> with the right hardware
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[20:20] <simonlc> I have a bunch of sd cards, so I was wondering if I could just try out fedora and debian without loosing my arch install
[20:20] <dragonchaser> Cheery: mine doesn't it hangs i always have to disconnect the powercord
[20:20] <simonlc> s/loosing/losing
[20:20] <[SLB]> i've read it has to boot from the sd card anyway, does that mean it's required for /boot to be on the sd card?
[20:21] <haltdef> yes
[20:21] <haltdef> firmware and kernel have to be on the sd card, rootfs is up to you
[20:21] <[SLB]> and / could in case be on the usb drive?
[20:21] <[SLB]> ah thanks
[20:21] <haltdef> nfs root should even work
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[20:22] <simonlc> is there data on the actual rpi?
[20:22] <haltdef> wut
[20:22] <simonlc> or any setup that would need to be done?
[20:22] <Cheery> simonlc: nope
[20:22] <simonlc> ok thanks
[20:22] <markus> does the rpi ship with a pre-installed card?
[20:22] <chris_99> nope
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[20:22] <simonlc> no
[20:22] <dragonchaser> damn
[20:23] <rm> dragonchaser, use a site like dpaste.com to paste the result
[20:23] <markus> good because i have too many of them anyway :P
[20:23] <Cheery> apparently it can hold the firmware. but I don't know of other nonvolatile storage there.
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[20:23] <dragonchaser> rm: http://pastebin.com/uK6mNCp9
[20:23] <dragonchaser> here you go
[20:23] <haltdef> the SoC must have a tiny, tiny amount
[20:24] <rm> dragonchaser, thank you very much
[20:24] <dragonchaser> still need a working xorg.conf :)
[20:24] <simonlc> I know htere's a wiki and all that, but once I get my Pi, I'm very tempted to make a proper setup guide website
[20:24] <dragonchaser> rm: no problem
[20:24] <rm> apparently the RAM is not fast to say the least :S
[20:24] <simonlc> the information is very scatered
[20:24] <haltdef> are we surprised? :P
[20:24] <DaQatz> rm, Or the benchmark does not work well on the pi
[20:24] <DaQatz> rm, Though SOC ram is not know for speed.
[20:24] <[SLB]> any other info about the firmware? such as, it gets on the sd card upon os installation i assume?
[20:25] <haltdef> making your own website containing this information wouldn't help the scattered issue, would it
[20:25] <haltdef> why not stick it on the wiki
[20:25] <simonlc> It would be a hub of sorts
[20:25] <rm> dragonchaser, do you have mbw 1.2.2?
[20:25] <simonlc> the wiki is too messy, and it has lots of stuff that doesn't pertain to people starting out
[20:26] <haltdef> ...
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[20:26] <haltdef> so clean it up? :P
[20:26] <simonlc> Last time I tried to clean up a wiki, I became border line suicidal
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[20:27] <simonlc> I think it's much easier if I can edit files localy personally
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[20:27] <haltdef> easier maybe, useful? no
[20:27] <simonlc> why is it not useful?
[20:27] <haltdef> your main issue was that it's scattered, making your own source just adds to the problem
[20:27] <RaYmAn> simonlc: you could start a new page that basically just links to other pages? On the wiki
[20:28] <RaYmAn> shouldn't be much different than making it locally.
[20:28] <haltdef> also if you think the pi's docs are iffy, be glad you don't own a pandaboard
[20:28] <haltdef> scattered, out of date and just plain wrong info everywhere
[20:28] <simonlc> Well I don't see why anyone couldn't just copy my information onto the wiki, if one so desires
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[20:29] <simonlc> I'll look at the wiki more tonight
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[20:33] <Cheery> friggle: if the process stops without calling eglTerminate, is it broken?
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[20:37] <mpmc> Hey All, anyone manage to build v4l for the pi?
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[20:44] <Cheery> interesting.
[20:45] <Cheery> the example calls dispman only at init.
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[20:46] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: I'd have code to run already. how's your SD cards?
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[20:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery: SD hates me! admittedly I've got nothing terrifically sensitive in my usual image so I might have to just use that
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[20:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aside from the infuriating lack of SD, slingplayer is a nice way to get the TV-out onto my laptop, haha
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[21:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery: want to try SSH'ing in?
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[21:03] <Cheery> yeah.
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[21:03] <Cheery> I just finished studying the hello_triangle
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> Evening ...
[21:26] <plugwash> hi
[21:26] <Veryevil> evening
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> well what can I get up to this evening...
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[21:27] * gordonDrogon ponders ponderous things..
[21:28] <Veryevil> the world is your mollusc.
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> or bivalve...
[21:30] * IT_Sean wants to go home, settle in for the evening, and perhaps fart around in Minecraft a bit
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> never gotten into minecraft...
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I have a sprite editor to write, I guess. been putting it off...
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> since my basic can now do sprites, I guess I need to write it...
[21:31] <IT_Sean> it's a fun little distraction, i suppose.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> gimp's a bit overkill just for a little BMP file...
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[21:33] <Syliss> IT CAME!!
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> You have Pi?
[21:34] <Syliss> i do
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> Well stop talking about it and plug it in!
[21:34] <Syliss> haha
[21:35] <lee> hmm. ignoring what lsusb reports, how can you tell how much power a USB device is drawing? I am just reading about a 100mA limit on the USB ports, which may be a problem (I was looking to attach a webcam to one and a 3g modem to the other)
[21:35] <IT_Sean> lee, get a powered hub
[21:35] <Cheery> friggle: status update: I got a starting point now. going to dup it into a sharing and retrieving process
[21:35] <lee> not an option
[21:35] <IT_Sean> why not?
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[21:36] <lee> battery + rpi + webcam + 3g modem in externally mounted project box
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> lee, yea, I think that's the key to it - use an external hub with a good PSU - e.g. 2A.
[21:36] <IT_Sean> get a small powered USB hub, and make room for it
[21:36] <IT_Sean> it's really the only way that will ever work
[21:36] <lee> but the question still stands
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> You can hack about bypassing the polyfuses directly from the 5V supply, but your in contentious territory there..
[21:37] <lee> yeah, I don't really want to do that (not yet anyway)
[21:37] <huene> lee: i'm having troubles with a 3g modem. not sure if it's power, but could be
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[21:37] <Syliss> time to make a os card
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> a 3g modem could pull over a watt or 2.
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[21:38] <IT_Sean> the raspi, in it's current state, will not power that 3g modem, esp. with other stuff on the USB line.
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[21:38] <Veryevil> 3g can pulse at about 8 watts
[21:39] <mjr> yeah no dice through the pi
[21:39] <IT_Sean> you will need a powered hub to run that 3g mdm
[21:39] <lee> ok, fine, but that wasn't the question =)
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> if lsusb isn't giving the answer, then who knows...
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[21:40] <lee> I mean, what would you need to do to measure it with a multimeter? maybe use a USB coupler and strip the plastics off?
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> that's the only way to be sure.
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[21:41] <mjr> 'course, if you're adamant with not putting a hub there, you can put in a short usb-a male-to-female plug that cuts the power lines and allows you to feed the power directly to the 3g dongle without going through the pi
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I suspect most usb chips lie about the power they need - just to keep the chips simple.
[21:41] <lee> or are there gadgets that will helpfull expose measuring points? something along those lines
[21:41] <lee> +y
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure there are USB breakout cables - for debugging usb protocols, etc.
[21:42] <mjr> fiddling with measuring is a bit futile, the answer as for feeding it through the pi is definitely "too much"
[21:44] <lee> futile?
[21:44] <lee> if you can't measure it, then you're just guessing based on whatever info you can dig up
[21:44] <IT_Sean> yes, futile.
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> MaxPower 500mA
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> that's my htc dz phone...
[21:46] <lee> http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/02/measuring-power-on-peripherals-usb.html that'll do the job!
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[21:46] <lee> yeah, but lsusb lies, or rather, the devices lie and lsusb shows that lie
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[21:47] <mjr> fine, waste your time then
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> we've been through this many times - the USB ports on the Pi are current limited by a polyFuse that trips at approx 140mA, so even thinking about it isn't worth it.
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[21:49] <mjr> (well, the measurement might help to determine the proper power brick to use once you realize you'll have to bypass the power feed)
[21:49] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[21:50] <Syliss> this will be fun adding the os to an sd card on osx
[21:50] <lee> hardly a waste of time, I still need to know what the power requirements will be to select the right battery
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> battery power...
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> How long do you hope to power it from a battery for?
[21:51] <lee> as opposed to the previous approach of balacning price and capacity, now I need to take into account extra connectors
[21:51] <FollowingGhosts> Hi all, any idea why I'm getting page errors when using a USB HDD as the rootfs?
[21:51] <lee> hopefully around 6 hours
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> Get a big battery.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> FollowingGhosts, what do you mean by page errors? it's not an error message I'm familiar with...
[21:53] <mjr> Big.
[21:54] <FollowingGhosts> When I try to login, I get all kinds of filesystem errors then thrown back to a login prompt. I'm trying with yesterdays kernel and firmware to see if that helps
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[21:54] <trevorman> FollowingGhosts: is it powered HD?
[21:54] <trevorman> its not trying to draw everything from the USB socket is it?
[21:55] <FollowingGhosts> Its a seperately powered HD using a USB cable with the power lines cut :P
[21:55] <trevorman> just checking!
[21:55] <Matt> jeez that's a lot of patch cables
[21:55] <FollowingGhosts> Yeah, I've had some funky power fun with the HD trying to power the Pi etc. so I played it safe
[21:55] <Matt> it's taken me probably 5 hours to install em all
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> patch cables for what?
[21:56] <Matt> customer's new server room
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> ah. those patches :)
[21:56] <Matt> they've got a new office which brings the jacks at everyone's desk out to a patch panel in the server room now
[21:56] <Matt> so I've just been patching everything in
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> that's sensible, but I've been doing it that way for umpteen years - I hesitate to ask what they had before...
[21:57] <Matt> 10-12 8 and 16 port managed switches
[21:58] <Matt> in a tree
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> One of my clients is in a building that was used by a bank... it's full of token ring ports!
[21:58] <IT_Sean> ouch
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> you mean with the switches dotted round the building at random? (as required...)
[21:58] <xakh> hello guys!
[21:58] <Matt> well given most of their staff were in a single large room, the layout was realtively sane
[21:58] <Matt> one switch per bank of cubicles
[21:59] <IT_Sean> That's how we do it. All the wall jacks go to a central patch panel in the comms room
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've seen that.
[21:59] <Matt> then one switch per rack of equipment
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[21:59] <gordonDrogon> sometimes unavoidable if you can't / won't spend the money of flood wiring the place.
[21:59] <Matt> IT_Sean: that's how most folk do it :)
[21:59] <IT_Sean> two cable runs per office
[21:59] <Matt> it's either 2 or 4 here
[21:59] <IT_Sean> each office has two network jacks. We run two seperate, isolated networks.
[21:59] <Matt> all the outlets are pairs of RJ45s
[22:00] <xakh> hey, does anyone know how to change the keymap on the raspberry pi from the British standard to the American standard?
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> I always go for 4 per desk on new builds if they'll go for it.
[22:00] <Matt> nominally one for phone and one for data
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[22:00] <Matt> but in a lot of cases they're both gonna be data
[22:00] <IT_Sean> We use an analog phone system.
[22:00] <Matt> so do they :)
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> ewwww :)
[22:00] <IT_Sean> SO, each office has three cat5 runs... one going to an RJ11, and two to RJ45s
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[22:00] <IT_Sean> in a 4 pot panel
[22:01] <Matt> you can plug an rj11 into an rj45 socket
[22:01] <IT_Sean> yeah, but, with our users... ... ...
[22:01] <Matt> or in this case, have a crapload of rj45-rj12 cables made up
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. my phones have ethernet sockets...
[22:02] <IT_Sean> One of our networks is a 'secure' network. Only company owned kit can connect to it (MAC addy whitelisting), and it has access to the internal servers ,etc... The 2nd network is the 'insecure' network. Only non-company kit can connect to it (MAC addy blacklisting), and it has access to the innernet.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> xakh, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> xakh, put sudo in-front of that.
[22:03] <xakh> ok
[22:03] <IT_Sean> it's a royal pain to manage.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> think I'll add that into my startup page.
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> xakh, sorted yet?
[22:09] <xakh> yeah, sorry, lunch arrived
[22:10] <plugwash> Matt, you can whether it's a good idea is another matter, using the same connections for phone and ethernet makes me a little nervous now we have gigabit ethernet
[22:10] <xakh> Yes! that worked! I can type @ now!
[22:10] <FollowingGhosts> How would I copy the new kernel modules onto my USB rootfs?
[22:11] <plugwash> since i've heard that phone voltages can fry some gigabit ethernet gear
[22:11] <FollowingGhosts> I've worked out that's what's causing things to be funky
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> analogue phones don't send power - plugging one into a Gb port won't do anything.
[22:12] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, it's the other way round you have to worry about
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> Plugging the PBX into a Gb port might do something, but it really shouldn't - however, as I found out with my Pi, if the line terminating resistors/magnetics are weedy then they get hot.
[22:13] <plugwash> 10/100 gear is much less vulnerable to damage from being accidently plugged into a phone line than gigabit gear
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> just stick with VoIP - however even then, I try and run separate LANs if their budget will allow
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> (sadly most of the time they don't as I tend to work with poor startups )
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[22:13] <plugwash> because 10/100 gear doesn't use the central pair (the pair normally used for phone) as a data pair
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[22:14] <IT_Sean> the 90v AC ring signal will bugger up a gig switch, though, as they DO use the middle pair.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> sone 10/100 still put terminating resistors/inductors on the unused pairs - e.g. the unit on the Pi.
[22:14] <IT_Sean> ask me how i know this... ... ...
[22:14] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, they do but if said terminating parts get fried it doesn't matter
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> I connected an 18V passive PoE lead into my Pi the first time round... It got very hot and started to smell.
[22:15] <IT_Sean> O_O
[22:15] <plugwash> whereas if the stuff on the data pairs gets fried you have lost the port
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> depends on the potential for colatteral damage...
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[22:16] <IT_Sean> I've seen the 90v ring take out an entire bank of ports on a gig switch. depends on the equipment, and how well the mfgr idiot-proof'd it
[22:16] <xakh> okay, I have a much more complicated problem though.
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[22:16] * plugwash mutters something about how much crap texlive-fonts-extra drags in
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> not going to run latex on the Pi?
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> Gah. throwbacks to 22 years ago on crappy Sun workstations
[22:17] <xakh> so, how do I reconfigure this thing to have a home partition from within the premade debian image?
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> xakh, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> assuming you want to extend the image to the full size of your SD card...
[22:18] <xakh> I already manually resized the partitions, the / directory (where everything is now) is 10 GB, and I have 21 GB set aside for home
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> Oh right.
[22:18] <xakh> yeah, I want two partitions, since I'
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> so edit it into /etc/fstab and mount it.
[22:18] <xakh> m used to that on my desktop and laptop
[22:18] <xakh> I actually did edit fstab, and it doesn't seem to be working
[22:19] <xakh> lemme see if I can find it
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[22:20] <FollowingGhosts> Will Debian throw a hissy fit if Ubuntu x86 has changed kernel modules to the newest ones?
[22:20] <xakh> that's odd, it isn't modified, but I know I changed it.
[22:22] <xakh> where do I go to double check the UUIDs of my partitions? I can do it from Gparted, right?
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> dunno. don't use them...
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> dumpe2fs will show it.
[22:24] <xakh> nope, found it
[22:25] <xakh> which one of the zeroes do I change to make it check the filesystem every x boots?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> tune2fs -c x
[22:25] <xakh> I'm saying in fstab
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> the zeros in /etc/fstab have nothing to do with the number of checks.
[22:25] <xakh> oh
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> they're an indication of which filesystems can be checked in parallel.
[22:26] <xakh> ok
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> and when to do a filesystem dump.
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[22:26] <xakh> well, for / and /home I know I'm supposed to change one of the zeroes to one
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> which is never used these days...
[22:26] <xakh> but I forget which one
[22:26] <xakh> and it's not really something I like to do trial and error on
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> the last zero - for / set it to 0 for /home set it to 1
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> however it's academic here as / is always checked on it's own anyway.
[22:27] <xakh> ah ok
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> it's usefull if you have drives on different physical devices then they can be checked in parallel.
[22:27] <xakh> so, now everything looks good. I think I'm gonna try to reboot
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> good luck...
[22:27] <xakh> thanks
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> oh hang on...
[22:27] <xakh> I need it!
[22:27] <xakh> oh
[22:27] * IT_Sean corsses his fingers
[22:28] <xakh> yes?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> put this
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/02/measuring-power-on-peripherals-usb.html
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> doh.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> /dev/mmcblk0p2 / ext4 defaults,noatime,nodiratime 0 0
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> in fstab.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> stupid cut & paste.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> add noatime,nodiratime for the remount of /
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> might want it for /home too on the SD card.
[22:30] <xakh> ok
[22:30] <xakh> so, anything else?
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> not for now :)
[22:30] <xakh> alrighty, if all goes well, see you on the flipside
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[22:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> ustreaming a Raspberry Pi is being unnecessarily difficult!
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[22:44] <FollowingGhosts> Any reason why the Pi would hang after I've typed my username running from a USB HD?
[22:44] <FollowingGhosts> I've just got Journal errors
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[22:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> FollowingGhosts: Is it powering the USB HD?
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[22:47] <Cheery> friggle: I see the impl in wayland is very clean already
[22:48] <FollowingGhosts> Anyone know what would case EXT4 fs errors?
[22:48] <FollowingGhosts> cause*
[22:48] <Cheery> friggle: it might confuse someone so I'm working through an example.
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[22:49] <Cheery> one problem I have is I don't seem to find docs for the commands he's using.
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[22:54] <FollowingGhosts> Grrrr, Anyone had any luck booting from USB?
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[22:56] <Syliss> FollowingGhosts: you have to have a setting on an sd card to boot from usb
[22:56] <FollowingGhosts> It's booting from USB, but I'm getting EXT4 errors from the HD
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[22:56] <Syliss> hmm
[22:56] <FollowingGhosts> I get to a login prompt and then it has sads
[22:57] <FollowingGhosts> I might try flashing my corsair usb stick >.>
[22:57] <FollowingGhosts> Then if I can blame the HDD, it's not so bad
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[23:02] <xakh> ha
[23:02] <xakh> well, I forgot to actually move the home directory into /home
[23:02] <xakh> so I'm on my laptop now
[23:03] <xakh> so I have the SD card in my laptop, what do I do to fix this?
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Shopping for Pi peripherals is a chore!
[23:05] <xakh> heh
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> xakh, can you mount it on the laptop?
[23:05] <xakh> yeah
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[23:05] <xakh> unfortunately I have to be root, so the permissions get all wonky
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I presume your laptop is running Linux of some sort?
[23:05] <xakh> yeah, Ubuntu
[23:06] <xakh> one sec. there seems to be a problem with the SD card.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> ok, so become root (sudu -i) and mount the card
[23:06] <FollowingGhosts> so, any form of USB booting on any drive gives me EXT4 issues and journal commit errors D:
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> FollowingGhosts, sounds like you may have a USB problem...
[23:06] <xakh> huh. It says there's a bad superblock on the partitions.
[23:06] <xakh> that's not good.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> xakh, no, not good at all.
[23:06] <xakh> but it booted a second ago, so I don't think that's right.
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[23:07] <FollowingGhosts> gordonDrogon hardwarewise? I've been having Ethernet dropouts too :c
[23:07] <xakh> I think it's a hiccup in the SD card reader
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> xakh, eject it and try again...
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> FollowingGhosts, ok. there may be a fix for the ethernet...
[23:07] <FollowingGhosts> Oh?
[23:07] <xakh> Hm. Now it's able to mount what I want as my /home, but there's nothing in it but for a lost and found directory...
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> FollowingGhosts, put this: smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N at the start of /boot/cmdline.txt
[23:08] <xakh> ok
[23:08] <xakh> I'm going to reboot, see if it helps
[23:08] <xakh> when in doubt, right?
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[23:08] <FollowingGhosts> thanks, if that's causing USB issues, it may be related to the rest..
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> er.... it's not something I prefer, however...
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> 22:07:31 up 9 days, 11:24, 21 users, load average: 0.39, 0.35, 0.39
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> my desktop.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that's rather low.
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> 22:08:02 up 1298 days, 13 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> that's better.
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[23:11] <xakh> gordonDrogon: Rebooting totally worked.
[23:11] <xakh> no idea why, but the SD card slot on this thing is sometimes finnicky
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[23:12] <xakh> so I just sudo and open nautilus to browse this thing, right?
[23:12] <FollowingGhosts> gordonDrogon, from what I can tell, at some point during the boot process, the USB drops out or reinitialises, throwing off the entire filesystem
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[23:16] <xakh> okay, so, guys, how do I move my /home onto the partition I want it on
[23:16] <xakh> and have it retain the permissions?
[23:17] <D34TH> tar it up?
[23:17] <xakh> well, I have to be root to move /home though
[23:17] <D34TH> sudo tar
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> yea, sudo -i ...
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[23:19] <xakh> okay, I tarred it, and now it's in the other partition
[23:19] <xakh> but once I untar it, won't it just have the partitions all screwed up?
[23:19] <xakh> *permissions
[23:20] <RaYmAn> cp -p should preserve permissions as well - and with tar, you probably need some parameter as well to make it fully preserve permissions.
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[23:21] <xakh> I'm not particularly good at navigating filesystems from commandline
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> cp -a is good enough.
[23:22] <xakh> I'm working from Nautilus, is there a way to do it in there?
[23:22] <r00t|home> RaYmAn: tar preserves everything by default...
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> are you on the laptop with both partitions mounted?
[23:23] <xakh> yes
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[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> I hate it when the best voucher code I can track down is 5%!
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[23:23] <sharktamer> Has anyone here compiled xbmc on/for their pi?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it might be easier from the command line just to be sure, I really don't know how the gui browsers do it...
[23:23] <RaYmAn> r00t|home: right - I was thinking of --numeric-owner, which is important if you are moving data around from e.g. a host PC on an sdcard that needs to be used on e.g. the rpi
[23:24] <r00t|home> RaYmAn: i was pondering to mention that as the one caveat with tar...
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[23:24] <r00t|home> RaYmAn: but it would just confuse the n00bs ;)
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[23:25] <FollowingGhosts> So, is there any reason why USB deinitialises and reinitialises during boot?
[23:26] <D34TH> detect any new devices?
[23:26] <D34TH> (stabs in dark)
[23:26] <xakh> hm
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[23:26] <xakh> ok, if so, I'm going to open it in terminal, let's see
[23:26] <Syliss> sharktamer: i was thinking of doing it today since i just got my pi
[23:26] <FollowingGhosts> no new devices, it just decides to break my USB boot
[23:26] <xakh> I have /home moved, though
[23:26] <r00t|home> loading of ehci driver? ;) (even more stabbing)
[23:26] <xakh> I'm just worried about permissions
[23:27] <FollowingGhosts> Iunno, but its making me sad, because I get to a login prompt sometimes before I get ext4 errors
[23:27] <r00t|home> xakh: how many users do you have anyway? one?
[23:27] <xakh> just the default pi, and a user directory I was trying to make for myself
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[23:28] <r00t|home> xakh: then it's trivial to just chwon -R user ~user ?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> xakh, you need to (as root) do something like: cd / ; cp -a /mnt/p1/home /mnt/p2
[23:28] <xakh> ok
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> where /mnt/p1/home is the first partition, and /mnt/p2 is the 2nd.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Run df -h
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> to see where everything is mounted.
[23:29] <r00t|home> on a single-user system, permissions of files in home isn't much of an issue, as long as ownership is right, and that's easy to fix if there's just one user anyway...
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> Silly random question that I should know.
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> Is there a browser supporting Flash on the Pi?
[23:30] <xakh> http://pastebin.com/nijsDGP5
[23:30] <r00t|home> SpeedEvil: more like, is there a binary of flash for the architecture?
[23:30] <xakh> Flash is not supported because the ARM processor is not supported outside mobile flash
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> r00t|home: yes, I know
[23:30] <r00t|home> what about gnash? ;)
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> no space between the - and the a
[23:31] <xakh> ohhhh
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[23:32] <xakh> I should really know that.
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Is there an internet radio package, that's designed to take input from buttons and switches?
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Rather than mouse/keyboard
[23:34] <RaYmAn> SpeedEvil: easiest would probably be to setup the GPIOkeys driver to send keyboard events
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> There's a GPIOkeys driver? probably wouldn't work directly with my megadrive controller though
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> And yes, in principle that sort-of-works.
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> I'm more meaning a package designed to be headless, so it works 'properly'
[23:35] <RaYmAn> I'm not sure it's in mainline, but it's at least in android kernels (pretty much all tablets, phones etc )
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[23:36] <xakh> awesome, the permissions are preserved
[23:36] <xakh> though I'm actually going to need to change some permissions once I'm on the pi
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[23:37] <xakh> since I copied over the files for Quake 3, but
[23:37] <xakh> actually, let me see something here
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[23:39] <FollowingGhosts> :D I fixed my Pi
[23:39] <FollowingGhosts> It was ye olde USB power issues making things stop working
[23:40] <xakh> okay, I got a tar.gz of the Quake stuff moved over too
[23:40] <xakh> neat
[23:40] <xakh> okay
[23:40] <xakh> time to cross my fingers and hope this works
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[23:45] <xakh> okay
[23:45] <xakh> that did not work.
[23:45] <xakh> it said something about directory not found, logging in with HOME=/
[23:46] <xakh> then when I tried to launch X, it couldn't get a lock on .Xauthority
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[23:46] <xakh> or something
[23:46] <xakh> so
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> you on the Pi now?
[23:46] <xakh> no
[23:46] <xakh> it's sitting at a blank screen
[23:46] <xakh> so I'm going to unplug it
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> can you login at all?
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[23:46] <xakh> I can login, yes
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[23:47] <xakh> lemme try again
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> ok you might be able to fix it.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> it may have put a home under /home ...
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> login and ls /home
[23:47] <xakh> ok
[23:47] <xakh> one sec
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> FollowingGhosts, intersting about the USB power... it strikes again :)
[23:48] <xakh> my laptop's on the other end of the room of the pi, so I'm unplugging it and taking it over next to me
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> And my wifes brought back some of the lemon drizzle cake I made earlier and it's yummy :)
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I am envy
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, baking is easy :)
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[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I fail quite hard at baking, although I can manage pancakes
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, the good thing is that mistakes are almost always edible :)
[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Instead of baking, I just throw packet mixes in a bread maker??? generally not as good, but still delicious
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> Yeeech!
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> I make my own sourdough.... alhough my starter is only 9 months old now.
[23:58] <dmsuse> how much do those packet mixes cost?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> my bread has flour, water and natural starter in it (made from flour & water)
[23:59] <Cheery> friggle: I'll come up with the interface tomorrow and I'll try it out then.
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