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IRC Log for 2012-05-18

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> I live right near a place which is full of yogurt knitters anyway - lots of organic farms, spelt weavers and old womel selling scarves knitted from their own pubic hair...
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> I've had many accidents in a breadmaker.
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> If you leave out water, it does not work.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> ah. not. bad move that.
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Also - leaving a teaspoon in ruins the non-stick.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> You do need to be quite precise in measurements with a bread maker too.
[0:01] <friggle> friggle: great stuff
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Scales++
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> cakes need precision too, but making bread by hand can allow for a little bit of leeway...
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> What sort of audio quality does the Pi have?
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> dunno - not heard mine yet...
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[0:02] <SpeedEvil> I want to automate my microwave properly.
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> For example, so it can do breadmaking properly.
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> I'd expect the hdmi audio to be as good as it can be, but the 3.5mm jack is PWM audio...
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, is it a combi-oven or microwave only?
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> our new microwave has a fan-oven function and it makes OK bread, but you need to let it heat up for a long time first.
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[0:03] <SpeedEvil> Combi
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> Also - there is a wrinkle
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> You can microwave dough.
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[0:04] <SpeedEvil> I did that in the past for a couple of weeks when I couldn't find my bread tins.
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> Rise dough in ice-cream tub.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> and it worked?
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> (at 40C, using oven function)
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> nuke for ~3-5 mins - I forget the exact time
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> poor yeasts!
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[0:04] <SpeedEvil> Turn out, and then bake at higher temp
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> the sourdough needs about 8 hours to rise.
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[0:05] <SpeedEvil> you need to bake for most of the normal time.
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> But the result is quite acceptable
[0:05] <xakh> hm
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[0:05] <xakh> I think I got disconnected
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> It avoids the dough falling when you start to bake, too
[0:06] <xakh> okay, when I did an ls of /home I got home, home.tar.gz lost+found
[0:06] <xakh> which means that it's looking in / instead of /home for my user directories
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> xakh, it means that there is a copy of /home in /home
[0:07] * PiBot sets mode +v s[x]
[0:07] <xakh> well, that's what's in /
[0:07] <xakh> oh
[0:07] <xakh> wait
[0:07] <xakh> I see what you're saying
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> cd /home/home
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> ls
[0:07] <xakh> okay, I think I screwed this up
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> it's ok - it's fixable.
[0:08] <xakh> yeah
[0:08] <xakh> I just copy everything to /home, right?
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> cd /home/home ; mv * ..
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> mv not cp
[0:08] <xakh> oh yeah, mv
[0:08] <xakh> right
[0:09] <xakh> have to be root, if I move pi as root, will the permissions change?
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> no
[0:10] <xakh> ok
[0:10] <xakh> also, how do I add a user to the sudoers file?
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: under ??1 generally, I think??? haven't bought any for a while
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> I mix my own bread though, usually
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[0:11] <gordonDrogon> edit /etc/sudoers
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> As it's quite difficult to screw up
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'm only guessing at that - I don't use sudo myself, so ... maybe best to double check!
[0:12] <mkopack> Man, I haven't used my bread machine in YEARS...
[0:12] <mkopack> Making me want to go and make a loaf for dinner on Sunday
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, blow the dust off and give it a go!
[0:12] <mkopack> Problem is, I never eat it fast enough efore it turns rock hard
[0:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Do it, mkopack ??? delicious, warm, freshly baked bread???. mmm
[0:13] <xakh> and everything seems to be working, or it was
[0:13] <xakh> wait
[0:13] <xakh> crap
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[0:13] <xakh> oh hey there we go
[0:13] <xakh> I always forget how long it takes for X to start on this thing
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[0:13] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Chop loaf in half.
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Freeze half
[0:13] <xakh> oh, I'm also getting some significant problems not being able to change screen resolution.
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> chop load into slices - freeze slices - and make toast.
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> That works too
[0:14] <SStrife> chop load into slices, allocate CPU time in order of priority
[0:14] <SStrife> oh, loaf :P
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[0:15] <mkopack> Make texas french toast with them :)
[0:17] <xakh> okay, so my current screen looks like http://imgur.com/Zuf0d
[0:17] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> you probably want to start with turning off overscan.
[0:17] <xakh> forgive the glare, my room is kind of dark so I had to use the flash on it. How do I get the pi to take up the whole screen?
[0:17] <xakh> ok
[0:17] <xakh> how do I do that?
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> disable_overscan=1
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> in /boot/config.txt
[0:18] <xakh> ok
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> and reboot.
[0:18] <xakh> and since root owns that anyway, editing it as root won't screw up the permissions right?
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> right.
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> vi is quite good at preserving permissions and ownership anyway.
[0:19] <SStrife> or you could pop out the SD card, and edit the file on your Windows/Mac/Linux PC
[0:19] <xakh> nano says there's nothing in /boot/config.txt
[0:19] <SStrife> since you'll be rebooting your Pi anyhow
[0:19] <xakh> but that isn't right
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's empty by defaut.
[0:19] <xakh> oh
[0:19] <xakh> ok
[0:19] <xakh> so I just write that, and then save and reboot?
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[0:19] <xakh> ok
[0:20] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:20] <xakh> after this I kinda want to install a login manager, then get audio out somehow, then quake III to make sure everything's working
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[0:21] <SStrife> You should have a go at compiling OpenArena
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> forget the login manager - it's a waste of disk space and resources.
[0:21] <xakh> alright
[0:22] <xakh> I like OpenArena fine, but I really like the art of Q3 a lot better
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[0:22] <SStrife> thats cool
[0:22] <SStrife> we were just having a discussion yesterday
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[0:23] <SStrife> about the foundation, and why they chose Q3A instead of OpenArena
[0:23] <SStrife> as a demo
[0:23] <SStrife> when RPi purports to be a fantastic open-source thing.
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[0:23] <friggle> I think it probably came from a videocore iv demo rather than being specifically ported for the pi
[0:24] <friggle> I mean, it's because they hate freedom
[0:24] <SStrife> haha
[0:24] <hungryhorace> quake is open source
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> xakh, hows it looking now?
[0:24] <xakh> fantastic
[0:24] <hungryhorace> and people have heard of it
[0:24] <xakh> disabling overscan was all I've need
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[0:24] <friggle> in theory the ioquake port could be used with free assets
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> ok and on that note, I'm off to bed!
[0:24] <xakh> night
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> laters...
[0:25] <SStrife> seeya
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[0:27] <xakh> okay, so I have all the quake assets
[0:27] <xakh> and I put all of them, as well as the quake demo code thing into a zip file from my laptop
[0:28] <xakh> and threw that in my home directory on the SD card
[0:28] <xakh> I just unzip it and run?
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[0:29] <plugwash> hungryhorace, the quake 3 code is opensource but the game content is still payware
[0:30] <friggle> you can combine the .pak files from the quake3 demo and latest point release though
[0:30] <xakh> true, but as it's been said, you can easily throw in the OpenArena stuff
[0:30] <xakh> I just happen to like the art of Q3A a lot better
[0:31] <xakh> ohh crap
[0:31] <xakh> I think I hit Q3 twice
[0:31] <xakh> I'm gonna be waiting for a while.
[0:31] <xakh> actually no, ctrl alt backspace, saves the day
[0:32] <xakh> I re enabled it when I changed my keymap, I freaking love that command.
[0:33] <SStrife> what liraries does q3a/oa use for display?
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> libcaca?
[0:33] <SStrife> i havent actually run it yet
[0:33] <SStrife> or had a look at the source
[0:34] <SStrife> hah
[0:34] <SStrife> so it just uses OpenGL ES directly?
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[0:43] <xakh> okay
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[1:08] <xakh> okay
[1:08] <Syliss> hmm
[1:08] <xakh> I unplugged my pi, because it looked like it froze
[1:08] <xakh> now it keeps getting stuck at mmc0: timeout waiting for hardware interrupt
[1:08] <Syliss> uh oh
[1:08] <xakh> then mmcblk0 error -110 sending status command, retrying
[1:08] <xakh> it happened once before
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> SD cards can be wacky
[1:09] <xakh> when I was trying to get my pi to boot from the card in the first place
[1:09] <xakh> yeah, it was working fine for the past few hours though
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[1:11] <xakh> I ran a fsck on the card on my laptop
[1:11] <xakh> and it said everything was fine
[1:11] <xakh> but now it keeps saying there's bad blocks and stuff
[1:11] <xakh> and I don't get why
[1:11] <Syliss> well do remember that the pis are beta ish
[1:11] <xakh> yeah I know
[1:11] <xakh> but that doesn't mean that it acts completely inconsistently
[1:12] <SStrife> rough guess
[1:12] <SStrife> power supply issue?
[1:12] <xakh> no, the power supply is fine
[1:12] <xakh> I've been using it for about a week
[1:13] <xakh> well, 2, but I haven't been using the pi much
[1:13] <SStrife> oh
[1:13] <SStrife> this is all-of-a-sudden
[1:13] <SStrife> right
[1:13] <xakh> yeah
[1:13] <xakh> it looked like it froze, so I unplugged the machine
[1:13] <xakh> when I rebooted, everything did that
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[1:13] <xakh> I ran an fsck, and everything is fine on the card
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[1:16] <xakh> so I don't know what's up here
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[1:16] <xakh> when I plug the card into my laptop, everything loads just fine
[1:19] <manizzle> godamn init problems with stock images
[1:19] <manizzle> "please add init=" option, wtf,
[1:23] <Syliss> getting the pi running decently will be interesting
[1:24] <D34TH> oh god
[1:24] <D34TH> a challenger appears for the raspi
[1:24] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:24] <IT_Sean> a challanger?
[1:24] <D34TH> allwinner
[1:25] <Matt> IT_Sean: dodge?
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[1:25] <manizzle> xakh, i am havingg same problems
[1:25] <D34TH> 1/2 of cotton candy
[1:25] <manizzle> fsck would fix it but now after it mounts the ext4 it crashes on init
[1:25] <xakh> fsck would fix it?
[1:25] <xakh> what do you mean?
[1:25] <plugwash> the allwinner SOC has been arround for a while, has anyone turned it into a nice board for hobbyists yet?
[1:25] <xakh> I'm on my laptop, and a fsck didn't fix it
[1:26] <SStrife> isn't allwinner like triple+ the price as well?
[1:26] <D34TH> meh
[1:26] <D34TH> still in the "low price linux pc" catagory
[1:26] <plugwash> SStrife, we don't know how the SOC prices compare because the foundation won't tell us how much the chip on the Pi actually costs
[1:27] <SStrife> perhaps
[1:27] <plugwash> board prices seem more dependent on volumes and markups than they do on the cost of the SoC itself
[1:27] <manizzle> fsck would fix the vfs panic on bad blocks not mounting xakh
[1:27] <manizzle> then it gets to no init error
[1:27] <SStrife> retail price though
[1:27] <xakh> grag
[1:28] <xakh> I just got everything the way I like it too
[1:28] <manizzle> can u mount in qemu xakh with that image?
[1:28] <xakh> qemu?
[1:28] <xakh> well, I'm working on copying some files into the home directory now
[1:29] <xakh> oh, you mean to emulate the pi's environment
[1:29] <xakh> I've never done that actually
[1:29] <manizzle> well that was my next step
[1:29] <manizzle> to try to boot in in qemu, cause wtf is this init error
[1:29] <xakh> did it work?
[1:29] <manizzle> i tried manually adding init=/sbin/init
[1:29] <manizzle> to cmdline
[1:29] <manizzle> and it didnt work, um nah qemu same error
[1:30] <xakh> ok then, I'll skip that step then
[1:30] <manizzle> qemu emulation is fine, just no init found and fucked
[1:30] <SStrife> $70 as a "starting from" price, for a Mele A1000
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[1:30] <SStrife> it's tempting
[1:30] <SStrife> but for different applications than Pi
[1:31] * IT_Sean googles
[1:31] <IT_Sean> neat.
[1:31] <SStrife> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html
[1:31] <IT_Sean> Bit expensive
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[1:32] <SStrife> i'd be hesitant to do GPIO experiments on that, because it costs that little bit more to replace if you pop it
[1:32] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[1:33] <SStrife> but if all you're doing with Pi is starting X and running a browser
[1:34] <SStrife> that A1000 STB would be a fine alternative
[1:34] <SStrife> in fact it would be heaps better
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Also looks like it would make an excellent home theater device
[1:34] <SStrife> That's what it's supposed to be, I think
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[1:34] <IT_Sean> Ahh.
[1:35] <SStrife> Mele A1000 TV box
[1:35] <IT_Sean> In that case, nevermind. :p
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[1:35] <SStrife> hehe
[1:35] <manizzle> lol i straight set init to /sbin/init and booting says, "running /sbin/init failed"
[1:35] <plugwash> though the real price seems a LOT higher than the Pi, $70 base cost, $35 shipping, plus vat and whatever fedex decide to charge for brokerage
[1:36] <SStrife> precisely
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[1:37] <SStrife> http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=XC4208
[1:38] <SStrife> similarly specced thing
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[1:38] <SStrife> $200
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[1:38] * IT_Sean has a 1st gen AppleTV running Linux & XBMC, capable of 1080p DiVX playback, that he put together for less than $50
[1:39] <plugwash> mmm, the thing is if I was going to buy another high end arm box i'd be wanting one with more ram
[1:40] <xakh> okay, so anyone have any ideas for manizzle and I?
[1:40] <SStrife> yeah
[1:41] * plugwash already has a beaglexm and has considered buying a panda or imx53qsb for the extra ram
[1:41] <SStrife> IT_Sean: Yeah, I like the idea of using an AppleTV with XBMC, dod you pick up yours used?
[1:41] <IT_Sean> Yes
[1:41] <IT_Sean> I did
[1:41] <SStrife> nice
[1:41] <SStrife> There's not much market for used ATV's here, because everyone has the same idea :-/
[1:41] <IT_Sean> I have a library of DiVX files on an external USB HD (500 gig) that it reads from.
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[1:42] <SStrife> I guess one can always buy a new ATV,
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[1:42] <SStrife> no internal storage
[1:42] <SStrife> but the price is right
[1:42] <SStrife> and the unit is aesthetically pleasing
[1:42] <manizzle> , bootup errors in "[/sbin/init | /bin/bash] failed, trying default..." kernel panic no init found try setting init= to the kernel, i tried setting init in the cmdline.txt to both /sbin/init and /bin/bash
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[1:42] <IT_Sean> That's why i got a 1st gen. Wanted the internal HD to install Linux on, to run XBMC
[1:43] <ssvb> SStrife: I hope this project succeeds - http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/
[1:43] <manizzle> any advice? i have tried both the archlinux image as well as the debian image
[1:43] <manizzle> flashed card multiple times
[1:43] <manizzle> dont really know what to do know
[1:43] <Viperfang> manizzle: checked that its pointing to the right device with the root filesystem?
[1:45] <SStrife> ssvb: Oh nice.
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[1:48] <xakh_> okay
[1:48] <xakh_> so anyone have any ideas of what I can do to fix this thing?
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[1:52] <tpresence> what thing?
[1:52] <tpresence> your pi?
[1:52] <IT_Sean> Send it to me. I'll fix it
[1:52] <xakh> the SD card problem I've been talking about for a while
[1:52] <tpresence> I have a class 10 in mine that I have no issues with, other than the sensor (which sucks)
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[1:53] <xakh> I have a class 4
[1:53] <xakh> that I've had no problems
[1:53] <xakh> for a few weeks
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[1:55] <manizzle> where can i get the logs for a bootup that failed and which i pulled the power out of when it failed? /var/log/dmesg shows last valid login which i am assuming came with the image
[1:55] <xakh> I had a problem when I had it formatted to use 30 GB, but then I got it formatted to / and /home
[1:56] <xakh> and it worked fine
[1:56] <xakh> then I unplugged it forcibly after it froze
[1:56] <xakh> and problems arose
[1:57] <tpresence> try to reformat?
[1:58] <xakh> it keeps saying the volume is busy
[1:58] <tpresence> eject the FS
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[1:58] <xakh> forgot the command, thanks
[1:58] <xakh> because it won't let me unmount
[1:59] <xakh> nope
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[2:01] <Viperfang> Got a command window browsing it?
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[2:02] <xakh_> okay
[2:02] <xakh_> every time I mess with the card
[2:02] <xakh_> everything freezes
[2:03] <xakh_> got it
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[2:03] <xakh_> now it works, I'm using a different card
[2:03] <xakh_> card reader
[2:03] <xakh_> sorry
[2:04] <manizzle> Viperfang, yeah cmdline.txt points to /dev/mmcblk0p2 which is correct
[2:05] <xakh_> okay, I'm running a fsck on the two cards
[2:05] <xakh_> *partitions
[2:05] <manizzle> i do get these errors when trying to boot up though, "mmc0 problem reading sd status register", "mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data sector 157696 cmd response 0x900 card status 0xc00"
[2:05] <manizzle> but then later down it says
[2:05] <manizzle> "ext4_fs: mounted filesystem /dev/mmcblk0p2"
[2:06] <xakh_> yeah, it says they're both clean
[2:06] <manizzle> and then "freeing init memory: 116K", tried to find /sbin/init and/or /bin/bash but fails right there
[2:06] <Viperfang> ok, you can get the status and response information from the SD card spec, might tell yuo whats giong on
[2:07] <Viperfang> SD Soec: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/sdio/sdio_spec/Simplified_SDIO_Card_Spec.pdf
[2:07] <Viperfang> *Spec
[2:07] <Viperfang> Right, I need sleep, gnite all
[2:09] <xakh_> okay, it keeps saying the volume is busy
[2:12] <xakh_> I'm gonna just try to boot again
[2:13] <xakh_> but when it probably doesn't
[2:13] <tpresence> Im betting your FS is corrupt
[2:13] <tpresence> class 4 crawls
[2:13] <xakh_> well, that doesn't make much sense
[2:13] <xakh_> because I'm capable of opening it
[2:13] <tpresence> and pre-ejecting is likely catastrophic
[2:14] <xakh_> also, there's been stuff about class 10's not working very well
[2:14] <tpresence> I hear ya...mine works perfectly though
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[2:14] <xakh_> huh.
[2:14] <xakh_> it booted
[2:15] <xakh_> no problems this time
[2:15] <xakh_> for some reason
[2:15] <tpresence> fsck must have cleaned it up
[2:15] <xakh_> even though it's the second one I ran in a row
[2:16] <xakh_> first time I ran it and tried to boot nothing happened
[2:16] <xakh_> I ran the first in gparted and the second in Ubuntu disk utils though
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[2:20] <wasmith> does anyone know the old default login for the debian img?
[2:21] <xakh_> I believe the username was suse
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[2:22] <tpresence> pi
[2:22] <tpresence> default login was pi, pass was raspberry
[2:23] <wasmith> hm
[2:23] <wasmith> not taking those
[2:23] <wasmith> they're the new username/pass arent they? pi/raspberry
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[2:26] <tpresence> the only published ones I know of
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[2:28] <tpresence> try pi/suse
[2:28] <tpresence> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/tutorials/how-to-set-up-raspberry-pi/
[2:28] <tpresence> thats what it says there
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[2:28] <wasmith> that did it
[2:28] <wasmith> ty =]
[2:32] <tpresence> yay
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[2:38] <wasmith> whats the rpi owners channel called again?
[2:39] <tpresence> there is another pi channel?
[2:39] <wasmith> one for owners apparently
[2:39] <SStrife> #raspberrypi-owners
[2:39] <tpresence> they split off because they were elite and got the boards?
[2:39] <tpresence> I have one
[2:39] <tpresence> why do they need another channel?
[2:40] * wasmith shrugs
[2:40] <SStrife> something to do with kids might use this channel
[2:40] <SStrife> so we can't say sh*i
[2:40] <SStrife> er
[2:40] <SStrife> you get the idea
[2:40] <DaQatz> !channel
[2:41] <tpresence> the owners channel has no language rules?
[2:41] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
[2:41] <DaQatz> Wow
[2:41] <DaQatz> Pibot is LAGGED
[2:41] <SStrife> apparently
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[2:42] <DaQatz> !channel
[2:42] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
[2:42] <DaQatz> There we go
[2:43] <SStrife> who runs the owners channel?
[2:43] <SStrife> is PiBot in there?
[2:43] <wasmith> hopefully someone will see my /knock soon :p
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[3:07] <passstab> anyone here interested in espeak on the rpi?
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[3:40] <wasmith> anyone running gentoo on their pis?
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[3:57] <jaredforshey> So, who's browsing this from a raspi right now?
[3:57] <mikey_w> My pi is marked as back ordered on Newark, do I have to reorder to get it?
[3:57] <DaQatz> No
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[3:57] <DaQatz> Just means they won't send it until they have it in stock.
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[4:00] <wasmith> jaredforshey: i was connected to my screen session from my pi
[4:00] <wasmith> but just re-connected elsewhere
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[4:12] <Syliss> shall see how much use i get out of my pi
[4:13] <Syliss> just need to find a powered hub now
[4:13] <SStrife> i dont have a power supply for mine
[4:14] <jaredforshey> so what is everyone planning to do with their pi?
[4:14] <SStrife> i just run it off my Mac
[4:14] <Syliss> lol
[4:14] <SStrife> my desktop PC doesn't have high-power USB ports
[4:14] <SStrife> (i.e. can't charge an iPad)
[4:14] <jaredforshey> I noticed the apple chargers for iphone or ipad work great for powering them
[4:14] <Syliss> yep, i used an iPhone charger to test mine today
[4:15] <jaredforshey> amazon also has an "amazon essentials" branded 2.1 amp USB charger for under ten bucks that works great for me
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[4:16] <raymohi> jaredforshey: You have a link?
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[4:17] <jaredforshey> actually looks like it's "amazonbasics
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[4:18] <raymohi> That explains why i couldn't find it
[4:18] <raymohi> Not a bad price for a 16GB SD card either
[4:22] <jaredforshey> Yeah, I didn't know they were doing these products. I got a pretty cheap amazonbasics hdmi to dvi cable for my pi and noticed all the stuff they've got now.
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[4:23] <raymohi> I might get some considering they have a considerable number of product reviews
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[4:45] <shirro> has anyone here done an rs order? why am I being charged tax?
[4:47] <shirro> element14 charged me aus gst and gave me free postage. rs seem to want to charge twice as much tax for some foreign country AND charge for postage? is that how it is supposed to be?
[4:47] <wasmith> shirro: where are you ordering from?
[4:48] <shirro> Australia
[4:48] <wasmith> charging for postage is understandable
[4:48] <wasmith> tax, not sure though
[4:48] <mchou> shirro: what kind of tax did they charge for, aus tax?
[4:48] <shirro> RS don't seem to realise the british empire doesn't exist anymore. Kind of uk centric. Element14 is so much better
[4:49] <wasmith> mine came to ??26.79 (21.60 - pi, 5.19 - psu)
[4:49] <wasmith> then RS added the tax on top of that
[4:50] <shirro> I changed mine to USD but it didn't take VAT off. Why would I pay VAT?
[4:50] <wasmith> because you're buying from the UK
[4:50] <mchou> shirro: you shouldn't
[4:50] <wasmith> sale is the same as if you buy it in a physical shop in the UK
[4:50] <shirro> And do they really send them from the UK? They have branches in Australia. Element14 sent them out overnight for free
[4:50] <mchou> shirro: demand a refund on VAT
[4:51] <wasmith> mchou: if its coming out of the uk, he isnt entitled to one
[4:51] <mchou> wasmith: why not, aus is not part of british empire any more
[4:51] <shirro> wasmith: wow, the uk is really backward. how do they compete with other countries for ecommerce?
[4:51] <wasmith> shirro: Element14 are also charging more for the boards, which i guess covers postage
[4:52] <wasmith> mchou: because the transaction is completed in the UK
[4:52] <mchou> wasmith: UK vendors are not supposed to charge VAT for foreign shipments
[4:52] <mchou> wasmith: no, that's baloney
[4:52] <wasmith> hmm, I hadn't heard of that
[4:52] <mchou> wasmith: I buy plenty of stuff from UK and am never charged VAT
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[4:53] <wasmith> you pay import vat and duty your end though i take it
[4:53] <mchou> there is no such thing as import vat
[4:54] <mchou> there are import duties for respective countries
[4:54] <wasmith> in the uk there is, or thats what its know as
[4:54] <mchou> which is not VAT
[4:54] <shirro> ok, they took the tax off when I put delivery details in.
[4:54] <wasmith> damn the uk tax laws
[4:54] <mchou> wasmith: if you're gonna answer at least know what you're talking about
[4:54] <wasmith> i was answering to my knowledge
[4:55] <wasmith> and in the uk there is duty and vat payable on stuff coming in
[4:55] <wasmith> 'cos i've paid it before
[4:55] <mchou> your knowledge doesn't apply if you're in the UK is my point
[4:55] <mchou> cause shirro lives some place else other than UK
[4:57] <mchou> foreign nationals don't pay UK VAT. No if, and, or buts
[4:57] <shirro> ok, that was kind of ugly and less professional than element14 but I guess the result will be the same. they lost some extra sales by not letting me bundle stuff from their regular stock with my order to save postage.
[4:59] <shirro> Hope the AUD didn't crash much further overnight. Parity sucks.
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[6:18] <Ben64> wow.... finally got to buy from RS
[6:18] <Ben64> and it comes out to $50
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[6:19] <shirro> Ben64: did you complete the order? Mine was about that and went down once they had my delivery address
[6:20] <shirro> It ended up US$43.02
[6:20] <Ben64> not yet
[6:20] <Ben64> its just strange for a $35 computer
[6:21] <Ben64> Total US$43.02
[6:21] <shirro> Not really. $35 computer plus $8 postage isn't so bad. I live 10,000km away after all
[6:21] <Ben64> :D
[6:22] <Ben64> i mean't $35 vs $50
[6:22] <Ben64> meant*
[6:22] <Ben64> $43 is better
[6:22] <shirro> Yeah, happy I don't live in the uk. Their tax must suck. Bet they have a healthy cash economy
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[7:24] <haltdef> my pi came to ??43 or so, including a psu
[7:24] <haltdef> various phone ones lying around are of questionable quality
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[8:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, looks like my PiShare died overnight
[8:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> How on earth could one remotely power cycle a Pi!?
[8:22] <DaQatz> cycle?
[8:22] <DaQatz> You mean reboot?
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[8:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> DaQatz: aye, hard reboot
[8:22] <zgreg> issues with power supply can do that
[8:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> zgreg: I mean, how can I *intentionally* do it
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[8:23] <DaQatz> So not a simple sudo reboot
[8:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Would most probably require an external power circuit which I could switch with something
[8:23] <mpthompson> Another Pi?
[8:23] <zgreg> yes, that'd require a bit of circuitry
[8:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> mpthompson: another Pi would be a good start
[8:23] <zgreg> mpthompson: turtles all the way down
[8:24] <mpthompson> There are TCP/IP capable power supplies, but they would be massive overkill for a Pi. Another Pi controlling a relay would be MUCH cheaper.
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[8:25] <zgreg> but then you'd need another pi to switch off the power-switching pi
[8:25] <Axman6> or an arduino with an ethernet shield
[8:25] <Axman6> in the world of reliable systems, hardware diversity is key
[8:26] <mpthompson> A pi would be cheaper... ethernet shields aren't cheap (at least the ones I've seen).
[8:26] <zgreg> it is much cheaper to use a MOSFET and the pi's GPIO to switch power
[8:26] <Axman6> aren't there arduino variants with ethernet ports? also Arduinos are available, Pis aren't ;)
[8:26] <zgreg> that's probably the best solution
[8:26] <mpthompson> You have a point...
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[8:27] <Axman6> zgreg: well, that's fine if you can access the original pi. but if you want remote reboot because the kernel has core dumped, then that's not going to work
[8:27] <zgreg> you just need to be sure the GPIO is in the correct state at bootup for actually switching on the pi
[8:28] <zgreg> use a watchdog to reboot if something goes wrong?
[8:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, pulse one of the GPIO pins with a heartbeat perhaps
[8:28] <zgreg> I don't think it's very practical to use another relatively complex system
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[8:28] <zgreg> just to switch power on/off as needed
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[8:29] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=aurduino+ethert&_osacat=0&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=arduino+ethernet&_sacat=0
[8:29] <mpthompson> A Pi controlling an AC 110/220 volt power line along with an RS232 connection for serial console to control another computer would make a great Instructable.
[8:29] <des2> Arduino ethernet modules are pretty cheap now
[8:30] <des2> Chinese Arduino clones are $18
[8:30] <des2> Relay board is around $5.
[8:30] <zgreg> why are you (and everyone, basically) so fixated on arduino?
[8:30] <des2> You could just get one of the TI 430s for $5.
[8:30] <zgreg> it's not really a good platform
[8:33] <mpthompson> AVRs are great little devices... They come in many different forms beyond just the Arduino. Most bare chips cost between $0.80 and $3.00 in low quantities.
[8:34] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JuAYOzk6sRI
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[8:34] <mpthompson> There is a ton of documentation in using them 1000's of different ways. Finally, AVRFreaks is a terrific community. I haven't seen another chip manufacturer match it.
[8:34] <des2> People have interfaced the $5 MPS430 to Ethernet
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[8:39] <zgreg> mpthompson: the point is, you don't need arduino to use MCUs. and yes, AVR is pretty nice, but even more so without the crappy arduino IDE
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[8:40] <mpthompson> I kinda liked the old IDE as it was simple to use, but the new one gives me grief too. Straight gcc with binutils is nice too if you are inclined to use the command line.
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[8:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Arduino would probably be the easiest way of accomplishing it that someone of my limited electrical tinkering expertise could muster, as it would be cable of understanding a Pi "heartbeat"
[8:42] <mpthompson> Arduino is great because it's so pervasive. A shield for practically anything and the price is generally pretty good. It could be done better if it was re-thought, but it's not terrible.
[8:42] <zgreg> also, from what I've experienced it's not a great learning device. the arduino IDE and "language" abstracts too much. it's even worse when it comes to the electronics part... people do HORRIBLE things with the arduino on a regular basis and are very reluctant to actually learn how electronics work
[8:43] <mpthompson> I agree with you on the arduino IDE. I've never really used it other than to see I don't like it. I just use the free AVR tools which I meant to comment on above.
[8:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> With Arudino you buy an LCD and blammo, you have a full library for driving it and have achieved nothing of educational value; I don't think it was ever intended to be educational though?
[8:44] <mpthompson> Well, people's refusal to learn how to do things right is hardly Arduino's problem. That is like blaming Volkswagon because people are crummy drivers.
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[8:44] <zgreg> maybe it wasn't, but it's often promoted as being great for education
[8:45] <mpthompson> It actually comes out of the art community. Orginally meant to provide artists with a simple to use hardware platform for interactive art.
[8:45] <des2> The point was that Arduino would enable to do things easier. This is not necessarly conducive to learning basics.
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[9:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> haml and sinatra, where the walls fell
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[9:39] <corburn> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
[9:42] <normod> timba his eyes uncovered
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[9:43] <normod> sokath*
[9:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Every time I tinker with Haml and Sinatra in Ruby, it reminds me of that damned episode
[9:45] <normod> its a good one
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[9:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Needed more explosions
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> have to read a lot of history when you glance at the xchat screen and th bottom line is "Needed more explosions" ...
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: you will be dissapoint
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Arduino stuff. I dislike their IDE too.
[9:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You mean that bloaty java abortion?
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> I wrote my own wiring replacement an a tiny real-time scheduller that I do my own projects in.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> yea and their c++ libraries.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> vi and makefiles for me...
[9:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If I ever get my hands on an Arduino, I'll avoid the IDE
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> Might actually get a chance to use it this weekend - going to a hack-fest thing nearby ...
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We're trying to nudge a hack-day into happening locally
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> http://field-studies-council.org/centres/slapton/slaptonley/outdoorclassroom/fsc-fieldwork-hack-day-2012.aspx
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> where are you, Gadgetoid_mbp ?
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: The thrilling world of Norfolk
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> we have a 'hackspace' in Exeter, but last time I went it was pretty rubbish...
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Ah, another ruralistan....
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> I'm halfway between exter & plymouth.
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> Devin is big. I mean really big. You might think it's a long way to the chemists, but that's just peanuts compared to Devon ...
[9:52] <Cru> DHL Express just delivered my Pi from RS
[9:52] * gordonDrogon cheers!
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[9:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cru: how long since you ordered?
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> cru, how long since you got the magic ordering code?
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I got my code yesterday and they said up to 3 weeks...
[9:53] <Cru> I used it on Tuesday
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My poor ol' Pi is open to all the elements of the world-wide-web at the moment!
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I might put my 2nd one directly online.
[9:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I had a crazy idea to protect mine from kernel panics and general freezing; stick it on a timer plug that drops out every hour, ho ho!
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Ha.. I used that on some old Siemens Gigaset VoIP phones once!
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> it would power cycle them at 3am...
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> rin.g SS&S time now... back inna bit.
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[9:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We're going to need to hurry up IPV6 at this rate, to accommodate all the Pi's
[9:58] <Cru> heh
[9:58] <Dagger2> need to hurry up enabling IPv6 in the kernel first :(
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[10:12] <Mowee> morning
[10:13] <Veryevil> Morning
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> right. that's better
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[11:25] <Veryevil> Hey, is there any guides for moving rootfs from sd card to usb stick
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> not that I'm aware of.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> however it's pretty easy to do as far as I'm aware.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> litterally create a partition on the usb, mkfs -text4 it, then copy the current root into it.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> then edit /boot/cmdline.txt to have root=/dev/sda1
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> anyway, that's what I imagine.
[11:27] <Veryevil> can i do it using the pi while its running?
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> yes, you can partition and mkfs and copy from the pi itself.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> see here also: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5695&sid=d5fd76e7b5c373fec3e4ed868625f889
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> looks like it suggest a newer kernel too.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> I'd copy it as: partition/mkfs, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> cd / ; find . -xdev | cpio -pm /mnt
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> as root, of-course.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I use that method to copy disks about all the time when I'm creating/manipulating RAID sets.
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, are you asking about switching the rootfs without rebooting or just copying the rootfs over?
[11:29] <Veryevil> just the coping over
[11:29] <Veryevil> i will reboot into usb file system aftwards
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> Offline for the rest of today. Other stuff to do!
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> laters
[11:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah gordonDrogon's methos sounds like it will work, but to be safe I'd dd it on another computer
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[11:31] <Veryevil> not sure what he means with copy it as partition/mkfs?
[11:31] <ShiftPlusOne> because there's all that /proc and /dev/ stuff which shouldn't just be copied blindly.
[11:31] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: looks like we're out of luck with chrome - https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/topic/chromium-dev/7mIFBxMKcCY/discussion
[11:34] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Damn looks like that isnt happening then
[11:34] <Hexxeh> not unless teh_orph's stuff works with EGL
[11:35] <Veryevil> teh_orph: We need you!
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[11:35] <teh_orph> lollers
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[11:36] <Veryevil> Hows it going?
[11:37] <teh_orph> I'm writing the fiddly code *right now*
[11:37] <teh_orph> I've put it off long enough!
[11:37] <Veryevil> ShiftPlusONe: is that what the cd / ; find . -xdev ...... command he posted will do?
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[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure about his commands. I don't see why he's using cpio, but I am not on linux so I can't "man cpio" to find out right now.
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[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and it's not the method I would go with, I'd just dd the image onto a usb drive instead of the sdcard, then change the cmdline file on the sdcard to use /dev/sda2.
[11:40] <drazyl> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_cpio.htm
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[11:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wondering if I dare run rpi-updater on my remote Pi and reboot it
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[12:13] <Veryevil> No luck copying file system onto USB stick
[12:13] <GabrialDestruir> It's not going to work directly.
[12:13] <GabrialDestruir> You have to point the bootloader at the USB stick.
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[12:14] <Veryevil> I did all that but i had massive amounts of ext4 errors
[12:14] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.
[12:14] <Veryevil> it sort of booted but i got errors in my dmesg and startx wouldn't run
[12:15] <Veryevil> its something to do with the copying process from sd to flash
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[12:15] <Veryevil> I have it used mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 then just to be sure ckfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 and its clean and empty
[12:16] <GabrialDestruir> Try an exact copy.
[12:16] <GabrialDestruir> DD a system.img to /dev/sda1
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[12:17] <Veryevil> just found this cp -a /[a-ln-zA-Z] /mnt/USB'
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[12:19] <Dagger2> I think you probably want --one-file-system
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[12:19] <shirro> I always use cp -ax where -x is --one-file-system
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[12:20] <Caver> are you trying to avoid copying /dev etc?
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[12:20] * Dagger2 is weird and uses `cp -dpR`
[12:21] <Dagger2> or more usually rsync
[12:21] * SStrife uses 'robocopy /mir'
[12:21] <SStrife> wait, what are we copying?
[12:21] <SStrife> :P
[12:21] <tzarc> alias xcp='rsync -axvP'
[12:21] <tzarc> *shrug*
[12:21] <Veryevil> my current file system from SDcard to USB stick
[12:22] <shirro> -dpR is bascially the same as -a. I add -x as not keen on copying contents of /proc and /sys usually :-)
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[12:23] <Veryevil> " /[a-ln-zA-Z] "doesnt work?
[12:23] <Dagger2> yeah, that's why I'm weird for using it
[12:23] <Veryevil> I get no such directory
[12:23] <Veryevil> its supposed to missout mnt to stop it copying mnt to mnt
[12:23] <Veryevil> although -x should do that
[12:24] <shirro> Veryevil: you are copying every single letter directory recursively except for /m
[12:24] <Veryevil> that was supposed to be the plan so it didnt copy /mnt into /mnt
[12:24] <shirro> Don't know about you but I don't have any single letter directories in my root
[12:25] <Veryevil> currently trying cp -ax / /mnt
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[12:25] <shirro> Add a vi if you want to see what it is doing
[12:25] <shirro> add a -v I mean
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[12:25] <shirro> might be slow on the pi framebuffer though so perhaps not
[12:26] <SStrife> hm yeah, probably best to do this on another system
[12:26] <Veryevil> its begun already so i'll just wait for now
[12:28] <SStrife> is there any trick to building your own Quake 3 binaries?
[12:28] <SStrife> the binaries don't work any more
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[12:38] <Veryevil> ok so no ext4 errors but startx wont work
[12:39] <Caver> does it say anything in /var/log/Xorg.log ?
[12:40] <Veryevil> wont load any modules
[12:40] <Veryevil> looks like there is a udev problem
[12:40] <Veryevil> how do I get udev to reconfigure
[12:44] <Veryevil> ah
[12:44] <Gadget-Mac> Great, OWFS working with RPi using USB and i2c 1-wire masters
[12:45] <Gadget-Mac> http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/i2c-connected-1-wire-masters/
[12:45] <Veryevil> its inode error
[12:45] <Veryevil> directory contains a hole at offset 0
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[12:55] <wjt> friggle: hey, i'm going to take a look at python3-ifying pygame. my friendly local debian developers will shepherd it in
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[12:56] <wjt> friggle: or if you're planning to make a new image today i could update and publish my firmware packaging first
[12:56] <friggle> wjt: I'll do some work a new image this evening, but not necessarily a new image - nothing that's going to be published anyway
[12:57] <wjt> friggle: okay, cool. i think the pygame stuff is probably more time-critical, but a release manager says it shouldn't be a problem
[12:58] <friggle> wjt: sounds good to me
[12:59] <Veryevil> Still not able to copy my filesystem from SD card to USB
[13:02] <friggle> wjt: many thanks for you and your colleagues efforts, it is massively appreciated
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[13:42] <xranby> the default installed fedora f14 and f17 kernels fails to find the sdcard after kernel bootup. it is possible to get these systems to boot by using the debian kernels
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[13:49] <friggle> xranby: maybe one of Naren's recent fixes did the trick
[13:49] <friggle> I don't know if Fedora are compiling their own kernels/maintaining their own patchset or just using the builds from github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[13:50] <xranby> i was unable to bootup the system using the latest daily sdcard image :/ http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/
[13:50] <xranby> the kernel booted and then failed to find the root filesystem
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[13:51] <xranby> i managed to get the system up and running by copying in all files from the debian boot partition to the f17 sdcards boot partition
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[13:52] <friggle> xranby: was this from my wheezy image or the current official squeeze image?
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[13:53] <xranby> friggle: from hexxehs rasbian image
[13:53] <friggle> ok, not sure what kernel version that is using
[13:53] <xranby> all the debian variants, your wheezy, the debian squeeze and the raspbian finds the root partition fine and boots properly
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[13:54] <friggle> ctyler: ^^ see xranby's Fedora issues above. Any ideas
[13:54] <friggle> xranby: I don't know much about the Fedora images, ctyler I believe is the guy to ask if he's around
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[13:56] <xranby> i will take a screenshot during bootup to record the error code.. basically the kernel boot ends with failed to initialize sdcard using the fedora kernels
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[13:57] <xranby> i hit this bug using F14 insalled using the remix installer,, qtonpi (based on f14) and the latest daily F17 sdcard image
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[14:05] <Hexxeh> would a nightly builder for the kernel be useful at all?
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[14:11] <xranby> Hexxeh: yes.. its a nice service to have a place to look for new kernels is the raspberry pi kernel sourcetree updated daily?
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[14:16] <friggle> some changes do require a rebuild of the binary-only firmware though, so expect it to break every now and again
[14:17] <friggle> though mostly that only breaks your 3d support
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[14:51] <teh_orph> OMG DMA works
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[14:53] <friggle> teh_orph: :)
[14:54] <Veryevil> Holy Hell Really?
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[14:55] <teh_orph> I could post some exciting printks but let's just say 'yes'
[14:55] <teh_orph> haha
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[14:56] <rm> RS must be fucking kidding me
[14:57] <rm> Russian Federation is not even on the list of countries
[14:57] <IT_Sean> language, please.
[14:57] <rm> while great states of Zimbabwe, Chad and Tajikistan are on it
[14:57] <Veryevil> teh_orph: is that the fiddly stuff done
[14:57] <teh_orph> yep
[14:58] <GabrialDestruir> Damn I'm gonna be annoyed if the chief of police is corrupt in both realities on "Awake" .-.
[14:58] <teh_orph> it'll need a little bit of a rework and more testing but this should 'just work'
[14:58] <friggle> teh_orph: work, as in you've got it hooked up to accelerate blits?
[14:58] <Veryevil> think you will have something working today?
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[14:59] <teh_orph> yep
[14:59] <teh_orph> * yep
[14:59] <teh_orph> 2*yep even
[14:59] <zarac> phew!
[14:59] <Veryevil> will it work with all distros or just arch
[14:59] <zarac> yep * yep would've been crazy
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[15:00] <teh_orph> prob all distros
[15:00] <zarac> Got scared for a bit.. ; &
[15:00] <teh_orph> but no the hard float stuff. that would be yep*yep
[15:00] <Veryevil> no the hard float stuff?
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[15:00] <zarac> explodes* ; )
[15:00] <teh_orph> as in no to the raspbian distro
[15:01] <ssvb> teh_orph: that's great, how well does "x11perf -scroll500 -copywinwin500 -copypixwin500" perform?
[15:01] <teh_orph> no idea yet
[15:01] <Veryevil> oh ok
[15:01] <teh_orph> I'm at work and haven't got X with me
[15:01] <teh_orph> only the kernel stuff + a simple test program
[15:01] <teh_orph> the X stuff it just waiting for the kernel hook to work, which I did here
[15:02] <ssvb> teh_orph: have you at least measured MB/s speed for DMA?
[15:02] <friggle> teh_orph: awesome. I'll follow up our email conversation this evening and CC in some more people. Let's get answers to the remaining questions you have and work out if there's anything more that can be done to support you and Will
[15:02] <teh_orph> ssvb: I've been assured GB/s, but haven't measured yet
[15:02] <teh_orph> friggle: for sure
[15:03] <friggle> teh_orph: yeah, I've been told DMA is both very fast and low latency and has far greater badnwidth than the cpu
[15:03] <teh_orph> anyone know this: why does the git kernel have pre-emptive kernel turned off?
[15:03] <teh_orph> is something BCM not reentrant?
[15:03] <friggle> teh_orph: our good friend dwc_otg...
[15:03] <friggle> i.e. the USB driver
[15:03] <teh_orph> no.......
[15:03] <teh_orph> that's disappointing
[15:04] <friggle> at some point I think we were enabling preemption and it seemed to work
[15:04] <friggle> but given the number of USB related problems, it seemed best to go safe with something that is supposed to work
[15:04] <teh_orph> yes that's a good idea
[15:04] <ssvb> teh_orph: IIRC, working with memory from CPU side was something like just ~300MB/s for copy, and ~1.5GB/s for fill
[15:04] <Veryevil> what does not having pre-emptive mean?
[15:04] <teh_orph> cache on/off?
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[15:05] <teh_orph> Veryevil: it's the kernel setting to improve desktop latency
[15:05] <teh_orph> at the expense of a dash of performance
[15:05] <Veryevil> ok
[15:05] <teh_orph> ssvb: is that with caching?
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[15:06] <ssvb> teh_orph: presumably yes, but I don't have Raspberry Pi myself, I just asked Hexxeh to run some benchmarks earlier
[15:07] <teh_orph> is that with your code? (or do you know exactly how it worked? user mode?)
[15:08] <friggle> I've been told the DMA has more than an order of magnitude bandwidth than the ARM
[15:08] <ssvb> teh_orph: yes, it was my code (mostly based on my experience optimizing pixman for various ARM devices) - https://github.com/ssvb/ssvb-membench
[15:08] <GabrialDestruir> 1Ghz Overclock what?
[15:09] <teh_orph> interesting
[15:10] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I'm just waiting for someone to say they did it.
[15:10] <teh_orph> btw how should I do timing? I noticed in the kernel config that the high-res timers are disabled
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[15:17] <ssvb> teh_orph: maybe just repeat DMA copy operation so that it takes enough time not to worry about timer precision?
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[15:17] <rm> does anyone have a problem posting comments to the RPi blog?
[15:17] <teh_orph> yeah I think I'm gonna finish the DMA chaining support and then bust out a phat load of DMAs in one kick
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[15:18] <rm> Error 1: Click back and type in the password.
[15:18] <teh_orph> see you in 20 mins :-)
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[15:19] <Davespice> fyi guys, this may amuse, game of thrones being done on 8 3.5" floppy drives - awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgfPYetWWJw)
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[15:28] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:29] <GabrialDestruir> Game of Thrones on floppy... that's epic
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> 'This first box - it's series 1.' 'Careful with that - it's heavy'.
[15:30] <GabrialDestruir> You mean truck, right?
[15:30] <jaakkos> i liked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cPr6LC8MM&feature=relmfu :) the tone somehow reminds me of the original midi fonts on sound blaster...
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[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> Need something like 2925 floppies
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[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> assuming season 1 actually fits on a singular dvd
[15:32] <IT_Sean> floppies are small :p
[15:32] <IT_Sean> should only need 3 or 4 large vans.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> you can fit a LOT of floppies in the back of a LWB high roof Sprinter
[15:33] <GabrialDestruir> True....
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[15:34] <GabrialDestruir> But you have to take into consideration that if you're going with anything other than basic quality, it's gonne be more than one dvd....
[15:34] <Davespice> GabrialDestruir: someone needs to do the same thing using a Pi
[15:34] <GabrialDestruir> Assuming 3 episodes a DVD, that's 3 DVDs for season 1
[15:35] <IT_Sean> hmm... how many floppies would it take to make a 6ft high stack?
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[15:35] <GabrialDestruir> 8777 floppies
[15:35] <drazyl> 5.25 or 3.5?
[15:35] <IT_Sean> 3.5
[15:36] <IT_Sean> you MIGHT be able to fit the entire collection in one Sprinter. .... not taking into concideration how much that many floppies would weigh.
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[15:37] <GabrialDestruir> Actually, considering a gram per floppy
[15:37] <GabrialDestruir> 8777 floppies would only be 19.3 pounds
[15:37] <IT_Sean> It would probably be do-able.
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> and that's just one 6ft stack
[15:38] <drazyl> 609 I reckon
[15:39] <IT_Sean> I'm saying that you could load the largest size Sprinter FULL of floppy disk and have more than enough storage space for the entire series, and not og over the max capacity of the vehicle.
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[15:40] <GabrialDestruir> a DVD can hold about as much as about 3,263 floppy disks Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_floppy_disks_can_fit_into_a_DVD#ixzz1vEDe9OzF
[15:40] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> A floppy disk is about 20 grams, so 30kg or so.
[15:40] <drazyl> surely you should print it out UU64 encoded on A4
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> Per DVD
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[15:40] <ReggieUK> 20grams? Are you sure?
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> 1 gram - as mentioned above - is clearly bollocks.
[15:41] <ReggieUK> of course :)
[15:41] <GabrialDestruir> Yes it was....
[15:41] <ReggieUK> 20grams just sounds excessive
[15:41] <GabrialDestruir> holy hell 20 grams this is getting large...
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> 0.04 lbs
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> according to chacha
[15:42] <ReggieUK> with or without a printed label?
[15:42] <IT_Sean> without
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> The microsoft windows USB supplement floppy weighs 17.4g.
[15:42] <ReggieUK> is it a european swallow?
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> which is 391.56 pounds....
[15:43] <xranby> quoted from wikipedia discussion: How much does a 3.5" floppy disk actually weigh? --Anonymous According to my old letter scale, around 17 g (~ 0.6 oz).????--Wernher 12:58, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
[15:43] <GabrialDestruir> So the weight of a larger man.
[15:43] <ReggieUK> 17g is getting better
[15:43] <xranby> SpeedEvil: ok so the USB code weighs 0.4g :)
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[15:45] <GabrialDestruir> 170 328.6 grams = 375.510285 pounds
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[15:47] <SpeedEvil> The weight of the data is considerably under .4g.
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> - using information theory
[15:48] <drazyl> surely that depends on the size of the bits
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[15:49] <SpeedEvil> http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/03/information-and-entropy-finally-linked-through-experiment/
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[15:49] <[SLB]> data on disc surface makes it lighter not heavier, just btw
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> 3*10^-12J per bit at room temperature.
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[15:50] <SpeedEvil> So 3*10^-5J or so for a floppy, or 10^-23g or so.
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[15:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My RPi is still alive, yay??? memcached is handy for making the microsite less clunky
[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> I need to get XBMC working properly on mine, lol.
[15:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Pffff??? XBMC??? maybe on my forth Pi if I get that far
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[15:58] <jfo> What's everyone doing with their raspis?
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[15:59] <esotera> waiting for them to get here mostly
[16:00] <Veryevil> waiting for teh_orph
[16:00] <jfo> point taken! Got any cool plans?
[16:00] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:00] <xranby> jfo: thinking about gui hardware acceleration improvements
[16:00] <GabrialDestruir> If I ever get it working XBMC for day to day use. Linux whatever for screwing around with.
[16:00] <dmsuse> i want a pi ! :(
[16:00] <GabrialDestruir> I really need a second pi.
[16:01] <GabrialDestruir> What has the world come to when an unopened 35 dollar computer is 200 dollars?
[16:02] <jfo> xranby: that'll be really great. I'm sure everyone with one wants to see that happen
[16:02] <jfo> people get really worked up about owning things they can't have!
[16:02] <xranby> jfo: in the short term we will see some individual frameworks gaining hardware acceleration
[16:03] <xranby> jfo: the qt5 team have a really good foundation for hardware acceleration on the pi
[16:03] <GabrialDestruir> 75 dollars for a coupon to order a raspberry pi?
[16:03] <GabrialDestruir> ffs
[16:04] <GabrialDestruir> People are broken in the head if they fall for that stuff .-.
[16:05] <jfo> is it worth running the QT5 distro to be able to take advantage of some of this stuff as soon as it's available?
[16:06] <philh> and for some reason people continue to snap them up at inflated prices, i do wonder who these people are, overly competitive nerds with more money than sense or deluded consumers expecting a home cinema box
[16:06] <xranby> jfo: keppa close eye on this hacker https://twitter.com/#!/srodal
[16:06] <xranby> keep a
[16:06] <GabrialDestruir> Both?
[16:07] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna go get a few hours of sleep bbl
[16:07] <xranby> jfo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k - Qt 5 and Wayland on the Raspberry Pi
[16:10] <des2> $5 beanie babies once sold for $2,000....
[16:10] <Veryevil> but that was women
[16:10] <IT_Sean> that's because people are idiots.
[16:10] <Veryevil> (mostly)
[16:10] <hourd> this ^
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[16:11] * Hourd is just bitter because he has to deal with business customers
[16:13] * drazyl 's wife has crates of beanie babies still :(
[16:13] <Hourd> sell them all!
[16:14] <drazyl> I keep offering to burn them
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[16:14] <IT_Sean> wee on them, then burn them
[16:14] <drazyl> now there's an idea
[16:14] <drazyl> could always blame it on the cats
[16:15] <Veryevil> come the revolution they will be a good source of fuel
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[16:15] <drazyl> trade goods!
[16:16] * drazyl barters 5 beanie babies for alaska
[16:17] <Veryevil> Cheery: Hey, hows the graphics stuff you were workign on going?
[16:17] * IT_Sean barters 2 beanie babies for drazyl
[16:17] * IT_Sean puts drazyl in a wooden crate
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[16:17] <Cheery> Veryevil: I think I've found out the pieces it needs.
[16:18] <Cheery> Veryevil: should be able to provide something for today evening.
[16:18] <Cheery> not sure whether it works though.
[16:18] <Veryevil> Cheery: Are you writing tutorials / documention?
[16:18] <Veryevil> You not got a PI?
[16:18] <Veryevil> I could run some tests for you
[16:19] * drazyl is asleep in a box
[16:19] <Veryevil> I'm sat at work a bit board and it will make it look like im busy
[16:19] <Cheery> Veryevil: I wrote one tutorial this far, but it's very first one.
[16:20] <teh_orph> testing chained DMAs....
[16:20] <Cheery> Veryevil: https://github.com/cheery/pygame_tutorial
[16:20] <teh_orph> sync (crosses fingers)
[16:20] <Cheery> haven't heard much of how people think about it.
[16:20] <Veryevil> teh_orph: cannnot wait for the results
[16:20] <teh_orph> and she's still runnin' :D
[16:21] <Cheery> but yesterday I had that compositing thing on fire.
[16:21] <Veryevil> does that need compiling and testing or has that already been done?
[16:21] <Cheery> I think I'll get on it again. :)
[16:21] <Cheery> would need to play a bit with pipes or sockets..
[16:22] <Cheery> I thought unix sockets would be cool. :)
[16:22] <Cheery> but then shared files perhaps do the same thing.
[16:23] <Veryevil> what would I need to compile from that git
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[16:23] <Cheery> Veryevil: it's the tutorial I wrote. it doesn't need anything else but review
[16:23] <Cheery> the compositing example isn't online right yet
[16:24] <tpresence> why is the pi keymap so messed up...is the uk keyboard layout like a c64 or something?
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[16:27] <Veryevil> I get no module named pygame
[16:27] <ome> Can I make commercial products with rasperrypi ?
[16:27] <Cheery> which image in your pi?
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[16:27] <Veryevil> ah Im on raspian
[16:27] <Veryevil> Raspbian
[16:28] <Cheery> ome: you can. but it might be good to ask particulars
[16:28] <Cheery> debian linux image?
[16:28] <Veryevil> Debian HArd Floating Point distro
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[16:28] <Cheery> sudo apt-get install python-pygame
[16:28] <Veryevil> I have the /opt/vc folder
[16:28] <ome> Cheery: what exactly you mean by asking particulars ?
[16:29] <Veryevil> ok thats pulling lots of python
[16:29] <Cheery> ome: well the hardware itself is like other hardware.
[16:30] <Veryevil> ome; if you modify or add to the hardware it will no longer be certified
[16:30] <Cheery> ome: but linux software has the GPL license (although that isn't preventing commercial use)
[16:30] <ome> Cheery: Yeah I understand the software part, and I have sorted that out.
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[16:31] <ome> Veryevil: the FCC certificates ?
[16:31] <Cheery> I have thought about bunch of commercial uses for RPi
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[16:31] <Veryevil> yeah if you add new hardware e.g. something to the IO pins it needs to be recertified
[16:32] <Veryevil> CE mark and FCC
[16:32] <ome> O.o that is one of the reasons I have decided to go with RPi.
[16:32] <Cheery> that'd make little or no sense
[16:33] <ome> Veryevil: the IO pins or the circuit itself ?
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[16:33] <Cheery> it's almost as if you plugged USB devices and the resulting thing should be recertified. :)
[16:33] <Veryevil> if you add a little led driver board or something connected to the IO pins it no longer is the same hardware and needs re-certification
[16:33] <Veryevil> for eaxmaple
[16:34] <ome> Also, any derivation -- or fork as they call it in software world -- of RPi yet ? like possibliy a headless version ?
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[16:34] <haltdef> arm dev boards aren't new, there's a few out there
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[16:34] <haltdef> none at this price point ofc
[16:35] <ome> price is the thing.
[16:35] <Veryevil> cheery: installed the python bits and now it runs but I just get a black screen
[16:36] <Veryevil> ah found it on another ptty
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[16:37] <Veryevil> I have a mouse, flying red rocks and yellow line?
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[16:39] <Kripton> ome, why you want a headless version? just don't connect a display?
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[16:39] <Cheery> read paint/main.py to learn the commands, then use python paint/main.py assets/ship.png if you don't like the ship.
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[16:39] <Cheery> Veryevil: :P
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[16:41] <Veryevil> teh_orph: those chains seem to be taking a long time?
[16:41] <teh_orph> just got them working now
[16:42] <teh_orph> I'm playing with the numbers to see how fast they run
[16:43] <Veryevil> teh_orph: so im guessing this is a kernel driver you have working
[16:43] <teh_orph> yep
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[16:45] <mkopack> Ok, looks like my Newark RPi will ship out the day after Memorial day..
[16:45] <mkopack> And the 2nd around June 18
[16:45] <teh_orph> nuts just crashed it#
[16:45] <mkopack> They finally seem to have updated everyone's ship dates in their system
[16:45] <mkopack> soldered up my Slice of Pi board last night as well...
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[16:46] <Veryevil> teh_orph: as long as you dont loose your work!
[16:46] <teh_orph> I'm on SD card so perhaps ;-)
[16:47] * Veryevil Hopes teh_orph backs up his awesome work
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[16:56] <drazyl> woo hoo! time to order with RS
[16:56] <ome> Kripton: Headless means less space and possibliy even chipper. also less power consumption, even though little.
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[17:07] <teh_orph> crashed it again
[17:07] <Veryevil> do you knwo why?
[17:07] <teh_orph> I know what is crashing it
[17:07] <teh_orph> but not why
[17:08] <Veryevil> Getting enought data to tell speed before it crashes?
[17:08] <teh_orph> yeah :)
[17:08] <Veryevil> and:
[17:08] <Veryevil> ?
[17:08] <teh_orph> I think this magic number should go three times higher though
[17:08] <teh_orph> so I want to crank that up to 11 before reporting anything
[17:08] <Veryevil> oh keeping it close to chest
[17:08] <teh_orph> (or up to 0xf in this case)
[17:08] <Veryevil> ha ha
[17:08] <Veryevil> Do you have a PI?
[17:08] <teh_orph> already beating the CPU though
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[17:28] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Im off home now. Dont announce anything exciting for about half an hour or i'll be really upset
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[18:14] <beardface> may 29.
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[18:15] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:16] <mkopack> Wow, FB's stock is doing nothing stellar??? And Zynga's got frozen because it plummeted 13%
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[18:17] <beardface> mkopack: you are surprised about FB?
[18:17] <beardface> that stock is a terrible investment at 38
[18:17] <beardface> its a company with many users
[18:17] <beardface> that makes no money
[18:17] <beardface> how is that worth more than GE ?
[18:17] <beardface> or Amazon??
[18:17] <beardface> wayyyyyyy to much hype
[18:17] <beardface> instant bubble
[18:17] <mkopack> Well, it DOES make money??? It's just - they have no diversification strategy. They're 1 major privacy scandal away from turning into Myspace.
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[18:18] <mkopack> but yeah, I agree, they're going nowhere
[18:18] <markus> GE what are they doing?
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[18:19] <markus> general stuff?
[18:19] <beardface> http://www.ge.com/products_services/index.html
[18:19] <mkopack> I mean, their entire business model is based on advertising - as is Google's, but Google at least has lots of different products upon which to collect data and push ads out to users??? FB has??? well??? FB??? that's it??? and they're screwed in the mobile space
[18:19] <beardface> tons of stuff
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[18:19] <beardface> just comparing FB to a -real- company
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[18:20] <mkopack> GE - big in electrical, medical, Jet engines, wind power, financial services, etc.
[18:20] <markus> GE Money Bank
[18:20] <markus> GMO
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[18:25] <teh_orph> quick numbers before home o'clock
[18:26] <teh_orph> DMA is running well enough
[18:26] <teh_orph> connecting it to X tonight will be easy
[18:26] <teh_orph> hopefully scrolling and dragging windows will have an immediate improvement
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[18:27] <teh_orph> Veryevil you just missed what I post by about 30 seconds :)
[18:27] <Veryevil> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:28] <teh_orph> haha
[18:28] <Veryevil> had my chores to do when I got in
[18:28] <Kripton> teh_orph, where will you publish it?
[18:28] <teh_orph> the crash bugs remain, but I've sent it off to Dom
[18:28] <teh_orph> Kripton, no idea
[18:28] <Kripton> okay. just inform us :=)
[18:28] <teh_orph> people have offered help to pop it in testing distros
[18:28] <teh_orph> (for me)
[18:30] <Veryevil> So what did I miss?
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[18:30] <teh_orph> DMA is fast enough, for now
[18:30] <teh_orph> I want more though
[18:30] <mpthompson> Always want more...
[18:30] <teh_orph> :)
[18:31] <Veryevil> always
[18:31] <teh_orph> the magic speed dial crashes the CPU/RAM bus at '6'
[18:31] <teh_orph> out of 15
[18:31] <FrankBuss> nice, do you use interrupts for non-blocking DMA transfers?
[18:32] <teh_orph> that's on the to-do list
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[18:32] <teh_orph> however DMA will be kicked off far enough in advance that any waiting should be minimal
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[18:33] <FrankBuss> I wonder if there is not already such code in the ethernet or USB driver
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[18:34] <teh_orph> I think the other drivers used the kernel's DMA wrapper
[18:34] <teh_orph> I'm using it directly
[18:34] <teh_orph> so I'm not sure if I can compare
[18:34] <teh_orph> anyway...off for dins with the g/f
[18:34] <teh_orph> laters...
[18:35] <Veryevil> laters
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[18:35] <FrankBuss> this sounds cool, then anything in the system will be faster, if you would implement it for the DMA wrapper
[18:35] <mpthompson> Good work teh_orph, keep it up...
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[18:37] <Hydrazine> So what exactly is he working on?
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[18:38] <Kripton> Hydrazine, graphics driver
[18:38] <Hydrazine> ooo
[18:38] <Syliss> hmm, arch or debian...
[18:38] <Hydrazine> nice
[18:39] <practisevoodoo> does anyone know if there is a version of debian 6.0.5 for the pi? my friend and i are having grief getting a kinect to work on 6.0.4 but apparently it works on 6.0.5
[18:39] <Kripton> practisevoodoo, you might want to build yourself a kernel with Kinect support
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[18:39] <Kripton> The kernel for the Pi are non-default ones
[18:39] <mpthompson> You should be able to do an "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" to move to 6.0.5.
[18:40] <mpthompson> I see, you want the latest kernel.
[18:40] <Kripton> I don't thint it's about the version of Debian
[18:40] <Kripton> the kinect-driver is in the kernel
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[18:41] <practisevoodoo> im building libfreenect in order to get it to detect the kinect
[18:41] <practisevoodoo> but it isnt detecting ALL of the kinect
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[18:41] <trevorman> practisevoodoo: you got the kinect PSU?
[18:41] <mpthompson> Is it a kernel driver that you are looking to upgrade?
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[18:41] <Syliss> i need to move my router and modem so i don't have to worry about a usb wifi card for my pi
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[18:42] <practisevoodoo> im trying the dist-upgrade thing first, if that doesnt work then ill try what i assume if the tricky process of building a kernel
[18:42] <practisevoodoo> trevorman, yes
[18:42] <johang> does anyone know if there's instructions out there on how to build the "official" debian image from stratch?
[18:43] <johang> if one would like to for example replace LXDE with gnome?
[18:43] <Kripton> practisevoodoo, if you never built a kernel for a desktop-machine you better do this before. cross-cimpiling a kernel has it's own problems
[18:43] <Syliss> gnome might be too heavy for the pi johang
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[18:44] <mpthompson> This section from the Debian Installation Guide will walk you through configuring a minimal Debian image from scratch: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
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[18:44] <mpthompson> You can then build it up to whatever you need from there.
[18:44] <mpthompson> That is how we are building the Raspbian images.
[18:45] <tpresence> whats the deviation from debian for raspbian?
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[18:45] <mpthompson> As far as I know, the Debian installer doesn't work on the RPi so using manual tools is about the only way to go.
[18:45] <johang> mpthompson: excellent. raspbian is a different from the official builds, I suppose?
[18:46] <johang> ah, yes it is.
[18:46] <mpthompson> Raspbian is essentially Debian Wheezy. It's just a non-official port not specifically associated with Debian.
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[18:46] <johang> ah, it's hard float too :)
[18:47] <mpthompson> We had to go that route as Debian Wheezy armhf won't run on the Pi hardware. However, it provides an excellent base from which to do a hard float port down to an Armv6 device like the Pi.
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[18:48] <mpthompson> Raspbian currently has about 3/4s of the Debian Wheezy packages rebuilt for the Raspberry Pi. About a week to two weeks for full coverage.
[18:48] <tpresence> nice
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[18:49] <johang> raspbian looks nice. torrenting as we speak :)
[18:50] <mpthompson> It's still a little rough around the edges. We are concentrating on getting all the packages built which leaves little time for making easy to install images and such. Hexxeh has been a great help there though.
[18:50] <johang> what's the iso image format? is there documentation on which partitions the bootloader expects and such?
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[18:51] <mpthompson> johang, what are you torrenting? It's probably Hexxeh's R3 SD image for Raspbian. In that case, it installs on a SD card just as the Foundations Debian image does.
[18:51] <johang> indeed haxxeh r3
[18:51] <mpthompson> You may want to read some of the notes here: http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[18:52] <johang> thanks, I'll start with that.
[18:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Whee, my memory cards are on the way for raspbian and pishared
[18:53] <johang> my ultimate goal is to get media explorer running on the pi (http://media-explorer.org/)
[18:53] <johang> I'm guessing it'll take a while :)
[18:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> johang: you're awesome for not just going xbmc :D
[18:53] <johang> lol
[18:53] <johang> that's too easy
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[18:54] <mpthompson> johang, make sure you create a Debian package for Raspbian when you are done. :-)
[18:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Is it just me who thinks the name "Raspbian" is??? a little??? off?
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[18:55] <johang> mpthompson: I created a package for ubuntu 12.04 yesterday. so it's debianized at least :)
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[18:55] <mpthompson> Perfect.
[18:55] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air: RPi just has really bad sounding names. Somebody suggested Raspository the other day...
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[18:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> trevorman: Surely Rapository would be better??? apart from the grammar nazi effect
[18:56] <jardiamj> Fruitcakesitory...
[18:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> It sounds like a repository fro rap, though
[18:56] <DaQatz> And the suppository jokes
[18:57] * jardiamj lol at DaQatz
[18:57] <trevorman> what DaQatz said
[18:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh the jokes??? believe me, I picture Raspbian as a butch woman with short hair
[18:57] <Hydrazine> xD
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[18:58] <TopherBrink> just done the hack-job battery powered pi thing from the tweet
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[18:58] <TopherBrink> works perfectly
[18:58] <johang> raspberry + repository -> raspository -> raspiratory -> respiratory
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[18:58] <johang> "oh, I just booted linux on my respiratory system"
[18:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Reminds me, I haven't tried powering my Pi from a 1a portable iPad recharger yet
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[18:58] <mpthompson> The other day they were joking is a Respository...
[18:59] <TopherBrink> happened to have the battery clip and box lying around from a maplin kit along with a kindle microusb cable
[18:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://www.crumblerecipes.com/images/raspberry-crumble/raspberry-crumble.jpg
[18:59] <TopherBrink> surprised and pleased when nothing blew up on plugging it in
[18:59] <Syliss> Gadgetoid_Air: it works with my iPhone charger
[19:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm gonna need to find myself a microusb-to-bare-wires cable, for my Pi-power-cycle project
[19:00] <johang> Gadgetoid_Air: great, now I'm hungry.
[19:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> johang: that crumble is a beautiful thing
[19:00] <Syliss> power cycle?
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[19:02] <Syliss> Gadgetoid_Air: just do a usb breakout box?
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[19:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Syliss: just want to be able to hard reset the Pi remotely, if it's hung or kernel panic'd
[19:03] <Syliss> ah
[19:04] <Syliss> arduino ?
[19:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Syliss: will probably end up using one, I imagine
[19:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> That way it could likely monitor a group of Pi's
[19:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although I am going to see if I can get my Pi to cycle my UPS
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[19:07] <dmsuse> wireless switch :P
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[19:09] <Syliss> i cannot wait to have mine setup. will be a great torrent box
[19:09] <Syliss> i hope
[19:09] <haltdef> (it won't)
[19:09] <Syliss> lol
[19:09] <Hydrazine> hehe
[19:09] <haltdef> low ram, usb storage
[19:09] <chris_99> you'd think that Syliss
[19:10] <haltdef> shared with usb net as well
[19:10] <haltdef> don't get your hopes up
[19:10] <chris_99> but it keeps kernel panic'ing
[19:10] <chris_99> :'(
[19:10] <Syliss> hmm
[19:10] <Syliss> chris_99: which os?
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[19:10] <chris_99> debian
[19:10] <Syliss> ah
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[19:10] <chris_99> it looks like a problem with the driver
[19:10] <Syliss> hmm
[19:11] <Syliss> i just want it to be able to dl like 1 file at a time
[19:11] <Syliss> for when I'm asleep or not at home
[19:12] <chris_99> transmission is pretty coo
[19:12] <chris_99> *cool
[19:13] <chris_99> i just use the transmission-daemon
[19:13] <chris_99> and the webbased interface
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[19:13] <Syliss> ah cool, ill have to see that
[19:13] <gamegeek> is there an option for expension on pi
[19:14] <Syliss> gamegeek: what kind of expansion?
[19:15] <gamegeek> like grapics cards or soundcards idk anything
[19:15] <trevorman> USB
[19:15] <trevorman> thats it for high speed interfaces
[19:15] <gamegeek> anything more derect
[19:15] <Syliss> no, basically you will have to do usb
[19:16] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I can't imagine the Pi ever successfully keeping up with download speeds when torrenting, but that may be a good thing if you want an artificial rate limiter
[19:16] <Syliss> well i do have an 8gb sd card, so i can have it just save to that.
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[19:17] <Syliss> since the os takes like 2gb of it for swap and what not
[19:17] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I have an old Hercules Prophet 4500, I could plug that into my Pi and it would be???er??? 1/100th as powerful!
[19:17] <trevorman> the SD interface seems slow at least with the current kernel. No idea if it can be improved or not.
[19:17] <trevorman> A card I know can be written at 10MB/s only does about 4-5MB/s on the Pi
[19:18] <Syliss> hmm
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[19:18] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Sounds similar to problems we have on the Pandora
[19:18] <Syliss> 4-5mb/s would be fine since my connection is dsl and i get around 500KB/s
[19:19] <mpthompson> trevorman, there have been reports in the forums that the clock to the SD card is very slow and a USB SD adapter gets better performance.
[19:19] <trevorman> Syliss: yeah. you'll be fine then.
[19:19] <trevorman> mpthompson: ah. that makes sense
[19:19] <DaQatz> <Gadgetoid_Air_> I can't imagine the Pi ever successfully keeping up with download speeds when torrenting, but that may be a good thing if you want an artificial rate limiter <-- My 200mhz mips router with 64 megs ram torrents fine.
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[19:19] <Syliss> yeah thats true
[19:20] <Syliss> i have an old wrt54g that does just fine
[19:20] <Gadgetoid_Air_> DaQatz: must use magic!
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[19:20] <mpthompson> I don't have a link, but some used an oscilloscope to measure the SD clock at about 5 to 10 MHz on the Pi, and about 50 MHz on a USB SD adapter. I don't know if that was verified though.
[19:20] <Syliss> i just need to move it closer to my entertainment center to hook up my pi so i don't have to buy a dongle
[19:20] <DaQatz> Torrenting actually does not take that much in the way of resources.
[19:20] <gamegeek> so this is the second model of pi?
[19:21] <DaQatz> gamegeek, No
[19:21] <DaQatz> gamegeek, Just the more feature rich model.
[19:21] <Syliss> mpthompson the only drawback of using usb would be the nic sharing the same bus
[19:21] <DaQatz> gamegeek, Model A is not available yet.
[19:21] <gamegeek> model a has a camera
[19:21] <trevorman> thats not model a
[19:21] <DaQatz> No
[19:22] <DaQatz> That was a prototype
[19:22] <trevorman> the stick with a camera was a prototype and never entered production
[19:22] <mpthompson> Syliss. Yes, that would be case. The best thing would be to fix the clock going to the SD card if it is indeed very slow. Not sure if that is a hardware or firmware issue.
[19:22] <trevorman> the current boards have a socket for a MIPI CSI camera anyway
[19:22] <Syliss> lets hope latter mpthompson
[19:22] <johang> how's the status with class 10 cards and booting?
[19:22] <johang> the elinux.org page says it might have been fixed
[19:23] <Syliss> I'm currently using a microsd card because its the only one big enough i have
[19:23] <gamegeek> so whats the price for a full model then? with camera and all
[19:23] <trevorman> there isn't one with a camera
[19:23] <Syliss> but i may get a decent c10 card soon
[19:23] <Syliss> gamegeek: there is no model with a camera
[19:23] <Gadgetoid_Air_> The Pi has an expansion connector to which a camera can be connected gamegeek
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[19:24] <DaQatz> Model A and Model B. B has an extra USB port, and an ethernet port.
[19:24] <gamegeek> so it has a camera
[19:24] <DaQatz> A does not.
[19:24] <trevorman> you have to purchase a MIPI CSI compliant camera yourself and then work out drivers as there aren't any at the moment. The RPi foundation are pondering releasing a camera in the future but nothing has been done about it yet and won't be for a while.
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[19:25] <trevorman> the only RPi you can buy right now is the Model B which adds an extra USB port and built in Ethernet over the Model A which isn't available yet anyway
[19:25] <gamegeek> hold on is this just an android witout sceen batery or camera?
[19:25] <TopherBrink> ...
[19:25] <Syliss> no
[19:25] <Syliss> has anyone ran android on it yet?
[19:26] <DaQatz> Not as far as I know
[19:26] <Syliss> i wouldn't mind that actually
[19:26] <mjr> actually it's a bit underpowered to run a modern android :]
[19:26] <Syliss> 2.3 would be oaky
[19:26] <mjr> (especially undermemoried)
[19:26] <Syliss> true
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[19:26] <gamegeek> what seriusly
[19:26] <DaQatz> Yeah new android versions would run poorly on it.
[19:26] <johang> nah, my android phone has the exact same CPU
[19:26] <DaQatz> Yeah really.
[19:26] <gamegeek> it cant handle android
[19:26] <johang> (android 2.1)
[19:26] <DaQatz> s.1 is very old
[19:26] <johang> and less memory
[19:26] <DaQatz> 2
[19:26] <trevorman> you'd want 2.2+ anyway for JIT
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[19:27] <Syliss> i need to find a cheap tmob android phone so that i can use it as a hot spot
[19:27] <Syliss> since i have a prepaid sim
[19:27] <trevorman> you need to actually use the phone part? mifis are pretty cheap
[19:27] <gamegeek> wel u guys know of any other platform that little bit beter in performance than this
[19:27] <trevorman> gamegeek: beagleboard, beagleboard XM, pandaboard, allwinner A10 based things etc...
[19:28] <trevorman> go google
[19:28] <haltdef> I have a pandaboard, can run ICS and ubuntu
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[19:28] <gamegeek> ok thx
[19:28] <Syliss> trevorman: i do, because its a phone account
[19:29] <Syliss> and i have to do pay by the day for data, which I'm fine with
[19:29] <Syliss> its an old account too
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[19:30] <Syliss> all winner a10 looks cool but $80+ kinda sucks
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[19:30] <Syliss> hmm, i should use a pogo plug for the pi
[19:30] <Syliss> i can get one cheap too
[19:31] <trevorman> as the allwinner A10 gear gets more well known, hopefully the prices will go down a bit
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[19:32] <Syliss> i know you can mod it and log in remotely, would be good to power cycle Gadgetoid_Air_
[19:32] <rm> Syliss, RS offered me to order an Rpi today
[19:32] <rm> it was coming out to be $50
[19:32] <Syliss> nice rm, mine was 43
[19:32] <rm> $50 vs $74 is not a big difference
[19:32] <Syliss> because I'm in usa
[19:32] <PReDiToR> I hope the drivers become available for the A10. The price doesn't matter if you can't run anything but GoogleTV on it, does it?
[19:32] <rm> ah, so they would remove the "tax"?
[19:32] <trevorman> there are already cotton candy style A10 devices which are about $80
[19:32] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Syliss: pogo plug eh? keep hearing about those, forgot what they do
[19:32] <Syliss> rm: yes no vat for usa
[19:33] <rm> well, ok
[19:33] <rm> but still
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[19:33] <rm> $43 vs $74 is not a huge amount, if you consider the Allwinner got massively better specs
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[19:33] <Syliss> rm true
[19:33] <trevorman> PReDiToR: kernel source is available for the A10
[19:33] <Syliss> if i get more money ill buy the allwinner
[19:33] <rm> also it should ship quickly, not in 3 weeks
[19:34] <Veryevil> Where can you get one in the UK?
[19:34] <Syliss> rm: it took 5 days for my pi
[19:34] <Syliss> i ordered last sat and got it yesterday
[19:34] <Syliss> it was thru dhl, which is fast
[19:34] <johang> my rpi shipped really fast. ordered saturday. got it wednesday.
[19:35] <Syliss> nice johang
[19:35] <johang> RS used DHL express. dispatch to door was 24 hours.
[19:35] <johang> UK -> sweden
[19:35] <Gadgetoid_Air_> This looks hackable: http://www.belkin.com/conserve/switch/
[19:35] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I wonder how the remote works
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[19:36] <Syliss> Gadgetoid_Air_: the pogo plug is a usb device that connects to your router via a nic port and you can log in remotely to access files, kinda diy cloud storage
[19:36] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air_: its just one switch tho
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[19:38] <trevorman> I expect its some cheap garage door opener or doorbell RF chip pair
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[19:39] <Veryevil> Does anyone know where the Allwinner A10 in the UK
[19:39] <Syliss> ugh i wish i lived in the bay area (of cali). I'm not that far away but driving 3 hours+ sucks
[19:39] <Veryevil> where to buy*
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[19:39] <trevorman> Veryevil: I've only see A10 tablets available in the UK
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[19:40] <Gadgetoid_Air_> http://www.powerswitchtail.com/Pages/PSTIIU.aspx
[19:40] <trevorman> Not seen anybody with the STBs or dev boards
[19:41] <TopherBrink> cloud. or "internet" as we've been calling it for a while now..
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[19:41] <TopherBrink> stupid buzzword
[19:41] <Syliss> Gadgetoid_Air_: no wifi/nic access tho
[19:41] <trevorman> ^
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[19:41] <Syliss> TopherBrink: there is a difference
[19:41] <Syliss> kinda
[19:41] <Gadgetoid_Air_> The trick would be to use an ic or microcontroller than monitors a Pi heartbeat and powercycles when it's interrupted
[19:42] <Gadgetoid_Air_> So it's all self-contained
[19:42] <Syliss> that could be bad tho
[19:42] <trevorman> you'd want it to give up after X number of failed boots
[19:43] <Syliss> i need to have my pi auto login since it have to enter sudo gdm
[19:43] <trevorman> constantly cycling it because its not booting will kill the PSU and possibly the Pi
[19:43] <Gadgetoid_Air_> trevorman: it would stop cycling after the first power cycle, and wait for the heartbeat to resume before it cycles again
[19:43] <Syliss> have it set for a 20min cycle just in case
[19:43] <Syliss> for loading times and what not
[19:44] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air_: hmm. wonder whether there is an accessible reset input on the board
[19:44] <Syliss> i don't think there is
[19:44] <Gadgetoid_Air_> trevorman: you can "cause" a reset :D
[19:44] <Hydrazine> define accesible :P
[19:44] <trevorman> a TP
[19:44] <trevorman> not like oh yeah dig 0.1mm into the PCB here
[19:44] <Hydrazine> hehe
[19:45] <Gadgetoid_Air_> It would probably be safer to switch the 5v 1-3A power supply after it's been stepped down to DC, rather than unnecessarily switch AC though
[19:45] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Which would require said microcontroller/ic setup and a simple transistor
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[19:46] <Syliss> i would see about finding a used wifi router with usb and have that be the controller
[19:46] <Syliss> i wish the wrt54g had usb, i would so put my pi into if it did
[19:46] <PReDiToR> I ran mine off the Usb port of my RT-N56U for a day or so, quite happily.
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[19:47] <DaQatz> Hmm my router does have usb.
[19:47] <DaQatz> Might be interesting to try that
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[19:47] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I've no idea how to monitor a heartbeat signal without using a microcontroller though, hmm
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[19:48] <Syliss> or do PoE and that way all you'd have to do is have the router cycle it
[19:48] <Syliss> so many ways
[19:48] <Syliss> just finding an easy/cheap way would be great for me since i super noob
[19:49] <trevorman> in theory you could monitor and reset it via JTAG but you'd need way more info from broadcom to do that so yeah thats pretty much out the window
[19:49] <PReDiToR> Gadgetoid_Air_ - Run a ping on the IP and when it stops have an SMS sent to you. Can be scripted into a router.
[19:50] <PReDiToR> Or if you know how to do GPIO control have it cycle a relay on the PSU when the ping fails > 5 times.
[19:51] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, the Broadcom-chip on the Pi has an integrated hardware-watchdog
[19:51] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I think linux can cycle power on USB ports
[19:51] <Kripton> You just need to arm it
[19:51] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: ohrly?
[19:52] <Hydrazine> I smell a kernel option
[19:52] <Kripton> Yep
[19:52] <IT_Sean> sorry... that was me.
[19:52] <Syliss> hmm
[19:52] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Would be nice if the Pi could autoreboot on kernel panic, but that likely wont help if the system hangs otherwise
[19:52] <Kripton> Kernel option "CONFIG_BCM2708_WDT" Desc.: "Enables BCM2708 watchdog support"
[19:53] <Hydrazine> ^
[19:53] <Gadgetoid_Air_> depends how good the watchdog is
[19:53] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, depends on how you configure it I guess
[19:53] * _av500_ ordered a pi
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[19:54] <Kripton> and "reboot on kernel panic" is a common linux feature that works w/o a hardware watchdog
[19:54] <Syliss> that would be ince
[19:54] <Syliss> nice*
[19:55] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: https://github.com/djwillis/rpi-linux/commit/ed8c2d720954efc5a440912292ed11da2f50aaea
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[19:56] <DaQatz> But who watches the watchdog?
[19:56] <mjr> the cat
[19:56] <mjr> the cat watches everything
[19:56] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I simply nuke my house from orbit in a seething nerdrage
[19:56] <DaQatz> But the cat does DO squat.
[19:56] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I wonder if I can compile that file
[19:56] <DaQatz> doesn't*
[19:58] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, yes, exactly that commit introduced it
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[19:58] <Kripton> DaQatz, why should the watchddg be watched upon?
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[19:59] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Well I can give it a go
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[20:00] <Kripton> and whether linux can power-cycle USB-ports depends on the hardware. it won't work on the Pi
[20:01] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: I was thinking on doing it from my netbook, which I could then log-into remotely
[20:01] <Gadgetoid_Air_> But this watchdog might be just the trick for most instances of fail
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[20:03] <Syliss> i just like that ill be able to set up vnc on it and remote in via my iphone
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[20:05] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Hmmm, sudo modprobe bcm2708_wdog
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[20:07] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Hmm, I are suspect that module wont auto load, must brush up on my leenux
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[20:08] <mjr> most distros(?) have a list of modules in /etc/modules to explicitly autoload at boot
[20:09] <mjr> so try sticking it there if you like
[20:09] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air_: you still need something to use the watchdog
[20:09] <Gadgetoid_Air_> apt-get install watchdog
[20:09] <trevorman> yeah that >.>
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[20:09] <mjr> that's for software watchdog
[20:10] <mjr> I don't actually know how the hardware watchdog operates...
[20:10] <Syliss> wow, that a10 stick looks cool. small enough to put in my laptop bag to use on trips
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[20:10] <Gadgetoid_Air_> The software watchdog talks to the hardware one
[20:10] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, do you have a /dev/watchdog after the modprobe?
[20:10] <Syliss> crap, more money to spend
[20:10] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: yes
[20:10] <Kripton> that's good then
[20:10] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Going to kill watchdog now and see if it reboots after a minute
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[20:11] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Although stopping the watchdog daemon doesn't necessarily cause a reset depending on kernel configuration
[20:11] <mjr> hmm, okay, the daemon is also used for the hw watchdog apparently, yes. The package description is misleading.
[20:12] <trevorman> it should do something though
[20:13] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Hmm, need to intentionally cause a kernel panic
[20:13] <mjr> start the daemon, then try kill -STOP daemon_pid
[20:13] <mjr> that should keep the watchdog device open while preventing new writes to it, thus triggering
[20:14] <Syliss> rm: i would totally go for that a10 stick, may take longer, but its looking way better
[20:14] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, there's a kernel-option that helps you getting a kernel panic :)
[20:15] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: Haha!
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[20:15] <Kripton> CONFIG_FAULT_INJECTION should do the job
[20:15] <Syliss> time to get, bbl
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[20:16] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Just killed the watchdog
[20:16] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Now??? waiting??? for??? stuff
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[20:16] <Kripton> though I was looking for s.th. else
[20:17] <wrdx> Anyone compared the Debian and the Arch images?
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[20:17] <mjr> killing it closes /dev/watchdog which disables watchdog, thus it won't reboot unless you have CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT
[20:17] <mjr> thus my suggestion to merely kill -STOP it
[20:17] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, Aww... that is hard stuff: "cat /dev/zero > /dev/mem"
[20:17] <Kripton> should do the trick
[20:18] <PReDiToR> Kripton - I like your thinking
[20:18] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: Harsh! I might try that next
[20:18] <Kripton> But this here is better: 'c' - Intentionally crash the system without syncing or unmounting
[20:18] <Kripton> your disks. This is most useful if the NETDUMP client package
[20:18] <Kripton> has been installed.
[20:18] <Kripton> From MagicSysRq-docs
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[20:19] <PReDiToR> Try a fork bomb :(){ :|:& };:
[20:19] <Kripton> PReDiToR, this will only allocate memory, right?
[20:19] <Kripton> Some extra-good reading is here: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/auto-reboot-linux-after-a-kernel-panic/158
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[20:19] <PReDiToR> This will bring the system to its knees necessitating a reboot one way or another.
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[20:20] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Ooo eer, my Pi just rebooted
[20:20] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Took its sweet time though
[20:20] <PReDiToR> ^ We have a winner
[20:20] <Kripton> cool
[20:21] <Gadgetoid_Air_> As expected, though, /dev/watchdog mia on reboot
[20:21] <Kripton> PReDiToR, but you should deactivate any swap spache before starting the fork bomb
[20:21] <PReDiToR> Not all kernels have MagicSysRq enabled, and even if they do, not all options.
[20:21] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, build you kernel with watchdog not as module
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[20:22] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: that's probably the best way of going about it, but kernel sources are big and icky
[20:22] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, wanna have my kernel.img?
[20:22] <Kripton> that sure has the watchdog in
[20:22] <PReDiToR> Took me overnight to compile kernel on RasPi, couldn't get Arch Linux x-compile to work because of out of date gcc
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[20:23] <Kripton> Yeah, compiling on the Pi takes some hours. cross-compiler working here
[20:23] <Kripton> about 10 mins then
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[20:23] <Kripton> and with the latest fixes from git
[20:23] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Nice!
[20:23] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I have to wait for stuff to come down via rpi-update
[20:24] <DaQatz> distcc + cross
[20:24] <Kripton> ok, I gotta get going. I think I'll come back in about an hour with the kernel.img
[20:24] <Kripton> or s.o. else is faster
[20:24] <Kripton> yes, DaQatz got that running. Cross-comp + distcc
[20:24] <wjt> have any of you got icecc working on your raspberries pi?
[20:24] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Ave ye some fun!
[20:26] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, if you want, you can send me a kernel config: kripton _AT_ kripserver.net
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[20:26] <Kripton> or you just take mine then
[20:26] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: kernel config would break my brain, wouldn't mind trying yours though :) thanks for your help
[20:26] <Kripton> laters ..
[20:26] <Gadgetoid_Air_> later
[20:26] <Kripton> you're welcome
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[20:39] <Simon-> 19:15:42 <+mjr> killing it closes /dev/watchdog which disables watchdog
[20:39] <Simon-> only if you write "V" first
[20:40] <Simon-> and the maximum watchdog timeout is 16 seconds
[20:40] <Simon-> it definitely works
[20:40] <Simon-> # echo -n "V" > wd
[20:40] <Simon-> [ 199.986990] bcm2708_wdog 20100000.watchdog: watchdog stopped
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[20:41] <chris_99> how do you start it again?
[20:41] <Simon-> open /dev/watchdog
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[20:43] <Simon-> 00:00:59 up 1 min, load average: 8.53, 1.90, 0.62
[20:43] <Simon-> Uncompressing Linux...
[20:43] <Simon-> :)
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[20:44] <Simon-> I can even do this: http://s85.org/SEWfGveD
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[20:47] <Holden> hey guys, when you press 'caps lock' on your keyboard connected to the r-pi, does the associated led turn on?
[20:48] <chris_99> yup
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[20:50] <Holden> then I have no idea why mine doesn't...
[20:51] <chris_99> does caps lock still work
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[20:52] <Holden> yes, it works. and I'm testing this keyboard on my desktop now, the led turns on here
[20:52] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, here you go: http://rpi.kripserver.net/unofficial/
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[20:52] <chris_99> i mean does it detect caps lock on the Pi, does it make things capital
[20:52] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Kripton: Thanks!
[20:52] <chris_99> and just not light the LED
[20:53] <Holden> chris_99, yes, it does
[20:53] <Gadgetoid_Air_> watchdog has somehow become invulnerable to kill -STOP now, haha
[20:53] <Kripton> Gadgetoid_Air_, you're welcome. If you're missing a kernel option/driver just tell me
[20:53] <chris_99> hmm no idea then sorry
[20:53] <Kripton> I didn't test mine yet
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[20:53] <Holden> it doesn't light the led, otherwise the 'caps lock' function works...
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[20:53] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I was hoping I could: sudo pgrep watchdog | xargs sudo kill -STOP
[20:53] <Foxhoundz> Hello, people of RPi
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[20:54] <Gadgetoid_Air_> As I'm currently writing a guide for this onto my mini-hosted-on-rpi-silly-website
[20:54] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Hello people of Foxhoundz
[20:55] <Foxhoundz> You have a web server set up on your pi?
[20:55] <Foxhoundz> Let me see
[20:55] <Simon-> why do youwant to stop the watchdog?
[20:56] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Simon-: to trigger a reboot
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[20:57] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Foxhoundz: not ready for prime-time, yet??? it's a Ruby:Sinatra/Haml/Bootstrap.css sort-o-thing
[20:57] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Oo, not forgetting memcached
[20:57] <PReDiToR> I have darkhttpd running on my RasPi. Just to say that it does something when people ask. The real messing about is invisible to them.
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[20:59] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I figured since I was putting mine on the internet, I might as well stick a site on it
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[21:03] <Simon-> Gadgetoid_Air_: reboot -f ?
[21:03] <Simon-> or... "reboot"...
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[21:03] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Simon-: I want the hardware watchdog to trigger a reboot, to see if it's working properly
[21:03] <Simon-> oh
[21:03] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I'm sure a kernel panic will come up soon!
[21:03] <Simon-> then pkill -9 watchdog
[21:03] <Gadgetoid_Air_> And as for the website, oh oookay??? it's not that interesting: http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
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[21:05] <Kripton> Hey cool, I'm mentioned there :D
[21:05] <simonlc> your site has a mistake in the code
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[21:06] <Gadgetoid_Air_> simonlc: probably a side-effect of my overusing haml for markup
[21:06] <simonlc> your prettity css element isn't self closing
[21:06] <simonlc> and closes after the body tag
[21:06] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Woah, everything is in the freakin' head
[21:06] <simonlc> not the js
[21:07] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Fixed, thanks
[21:07] <simonlc> though could probably make your css into sass since you're using ruby stuff already
[21:07] <simonlc> looks like you also have an orphan </p>
[21:08] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Got some nested <p> tags that shouldn't be happening too
[21:09] <simonlc> probably because you have a div inside of a <p> element, so the dom is actually ending the <p> before the <div> starts
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air_> haml is annoying, it should have optional {} instead of indentation
[21:09] <simonlc> or could be the nested <p>'s yea
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air_> That should fix that! serves me right for being a masochist
[21:10] <Gadgetoid_Air_> My next task is to make Sinatra/Ruby autorespawn if it crashes
[21:10] <Gadgetoid_Air_> And, finally, run at boot
[21:11] <simonlc> I plan to do some similar things but with python generated sites. I only know python right now
[21:12] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I barely know Ruby, I'm using the Pi to force me to learn more of it
[21:12] <simonlc> are you generating those code blocks with js?
[21:12] <Gadgetoid_Air_> simonlc: you mean the google-code-prettify stuff?
[21:13] <simonlc> idk, the numbered line code blocks
[21:13] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Yup, they're super gorgeous :D
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[21:16] <simonlc> I assume it needs jquery?
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[21:16] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/yNWb0xO68bUqUeeRKlWE/
[21:17] <Cheery> now.. I'm not exactly certain that it works!
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[21:18] <Cheery> friggle: care to look in?
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[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air_> simonlc: I'm not sure if it does, but probably
[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air_> jquery is everything these days, whee!
[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Ahh, key-based SSH auth is awesome: ssh rpi
[21:26] <markus> tell me all about it
[21:27] <markus> i have such plans
[21:27] <markus> i could use google
[21:28] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Use ssh-keygen -t rsa on your local machine, scp the id_rsa.pub to your Pi ~/.ssh/me.pub ( or something ) and cat me.pub >> authorized_keys
[21:28] <Gadgetoid_Air_> If you're feeling brave, you can then turn off regular SSH authentication
[21:29] <markus> that's what i plan to do because my password is 8 letters long all lower case a-z
[21:31] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Mines 19 characters :D
[21:31] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Not fun to type at all
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[21:32] <simonlc> mine are 9 with letters numbers and symbols
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[21:33] * IT_Sean resets Gadgetoid_Air_'s password requirements to be a minimum of 37 characters long, maximum of 120. Minimum of 14 symbols, and requiring upper case letters, loweercase letters, and numbers. It also must contain at least 4 spaces, and cannot contain any words found in a dictionary.
[21:33] <markus> i don't expose the ssh port to the internets, i have to hop to my other computer first and then to my all lower case computer
[21:33] <markus> which makes it a bit more safe
[21:33] <markus> but i'm planning to turn off my main computer so i can't use that then
[21:34] <Gadgetoid_Air_> I've exposed everything to the internets, I should probably invest in some iptables or just push known proxies into hosts.deny
[21:34] <markus> so key auth seems to be a good plan
[21:34] <Cheery> oh damn my cat was being a dick
[21:35] <Cheery> it went over my display and used it to peek outside of the window
[21:35] <markus> standing on your keyboard or what?
[21:35] <IT_Sean> Cheery: that's what cats do.
[21:35] <Cheery> so I had to take my hands of the keyboard and put them to the display so I wouldn't have to fix the mount
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[21:37] <kripton_> Gadgetoid_Air_, is your watchdog working now?
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[21:38] <Gadgetoid_Air_> kripton_: I assume so, I'll find out when something goes wrong :D
[21:38] <Gadgetoid_Air_> kripton_: adding a process monitor for my website now using monit
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[21:38] <kripton_> okay
[21:39] <kripton_> you could also use munin but that might use up some ressources itself
[21:40] <Gadgetoid_Air_> just writing some init scripts first
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[21:57] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air_: I think I'd have to test the compositing example on a real pi now
[21:57] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Cheery: go for it
[21:58] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Bonus points if you manage a kernel panic and the Pi successfully recovers
[21:58] <Cheery> can you hand over the links yet once?
[21:58] <Cheery> too tired to dig the logs
[21:58] <Gadgetoid_Air_> Haha, okay!
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[22:32] <Hexxeh> yay, 3d printed cases arrived
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[22:33] <IT_Sean> shweeet
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[22:36] <bbeattie> Anyone else seeing problems with alsa? aplay often fowls up alsa, failing on interrupts... dmesg reports vcos: [1127]: bcm2835_audio_close:702 bcm2835_audio_close: failed on waiting for event (status=10) \n vcos: [1127]: vc_vchi_audio_deinit:309 vc_vchi_audio_deinit: failed to close VCHI service connection (status=1)
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[22:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, hello_triangle causes explosion
[22:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> And hardware watchdog seems to be mia
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[22:51] <bbeattie> hmm, tried killing off a stuck aplay command and it's completely killed the r-pi, it won't even respond to pings
[22:52] <bbeattie> at least it reboots somewhat fast...
[22:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> true that
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[23:09] <wasmith> is there any software (or hardware) watchdog that can run on the pi?
[23:10] <wasmith> or am i going to have to writeone myself
[23:10] <wasmith> (i.e. so if it crashes, it'll reboot itself)
[23:10] <mjr> there was talk of that just today, actually
[23:10] <wasmith> because it'd be a very useful thing to have
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[23:10] <mjr> there's apparently a bcm2708_wdog watchdog there
[23:10] <wasmith> especially in embedded situations
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[23:11] <mjr> and the usual watchdog userspace binary should talk to it fine, one presumes
[23:11] <wasmith> hmm, how would i go about using that?
[23:12] <mjr> sudo modprobe bcm2708_wdog , sudo apt-get install watchdog , start watchdog (might work for the simple case directly)
[23:12] <wasmith> oh ok
[23:12] <mjr> mind you, I've not got the hardware, so I'm just relaying what was talked about
[23:12] <wasmith> yeah
[23:12] <wasmith> i'll have a look tomorrow
[23:12] <wasmith> ty
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[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm still playing with watchdog
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[23:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, it was specifically the SDRAM overclock which was making hello_triangle blow up
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[23:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not having much success getting watchdog working with a real kernel panic
[23:21] <r00t|home> wasmith: the watchdog userspace interface is trivial... as long as the watchdog device (/dev/watchdog) is open, you have to write to it every minute or so, or the watchdog reboots the system after a timeout... and in cases where you don't have a hardware watchdog, linux has a 'softdog' module which lets you at least ensure userspace is alive, unles the kernel crashes completely
[23:21] <Hexxeh> these prototype cases are /awesome/: http://twitter.com/#!/Hexxeh/status/203595294166892545/photo/1
[23:22] <mjr> Gadgetoid_Air, bummer. Tried the software one?
[23:22] <r00t|home> Gadgetoid: just supply panic=<timeout> on the kernel commandline? that has the kernel reboot by itself after a panic...
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[23:22] <wasmith> r00t|home: oh nice
[23:22] <wasmith> thats perfect
[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> I thought the hardware watchdog would kick in, but??? no dice
[23:23] <wasmith> just that if the pi crashes, it needs to reboot otherwise the robot is buggered :p
[23:23] <r00t|home> wasmith: the 'watchdog' package is just a program that implements the userspace side, with extra features like checking network connectivity
[23:23] <wasmith> ah ok
[23:23] <r00t|home> Gadgetoid: maybe the driver shuts it down on a panic? ;)
[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> r00t|home: yeah??? that could well be the case
[23:23] <wasmith> i need to work out some way of making the kernel crash
[23:24] <wasmith> to make sure the watchdog works properly
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[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> wasmith: overclock your sdram to 500
[23:24] <r00t|home> wasmith: just write to /dev/kmem until success? ;)
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> And run hello_triangle
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Works for me :D
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[23:24] <wasmith> or :(){ :|:& };: might work
[23:24] <wasmith> i guess
[23:24] <r00t|home> wasmith: no
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> What is that abomination?
[23:25] <r00t|home> wasmith: that will just make userspace unusable
[23:25] <wasmith> its a bash forkbomb
[23:25] <r00t|home> Gadgetoid: THE forkbomb, in shell
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[23:25] <r00t|home> wasmith: you should put an ampersand at the end, no? ;)
[23:25] <wasmith> haha
[23:26] <r00t|home> actually, not sure if it makes a difference, with the ampersand in the function already
[23:26] <r00t|home> bould would be boring if you could just ctrl-c it
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> It looks like the cookie monster doing unspeakable things to a balloon animal...
[23:27] <r00t|home> eww...
[23:28] <Revo> Found a purpose for my R-Pi finally and turned it into a web server.. http://pi.p2pbsh.com/
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, no matter what I try this locks the Pi up good
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[23:29] <r00t|home> Revo: better sell it on ebay
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[23:29] <r00t|home> Revo: a webserver with a flash animation at the root is JUST_WRONG
[23:29] <Revo> hhahaha
[23:30] <r00t|home> especially an 8meg one, especially on a fruitcake computer
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> that forkbomb looks mighty tempting
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[23:31] <r00t|home> Gadgetoid: gogogo!
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[23:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm reinstalling ruby now though, and sharing my Pi
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[23:32] <Revo> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mem
[23:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> lesson of the day: 500mhz SDRAM overclock is bad, mmkay, don't do it
[23:32] <r00t|home> Revo: what i said
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[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> a webserver with a flash animation anywhere within a thousand miles of it is surely a cardinal sin?
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[23:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's better, damn Colloquy for not reloading colour themes
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[23:57] <Hexxeh> i take your flash, and raise you a flash: http://goo.gl/2h6KA
[23:57] <Revo> lol
[23:57] <Revo> hands up who's trying to exploit my pi?
[23:57] <Revo> ;)
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not me??? someone's probably trying to 'sploit mine though
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm currently trying to set up a better video capture method for ustreaming my Pi's TV-out
[23:58] <Hexxeh> that's an interesting idea
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[23:58] <Hexxeh> "root my pi"
[23:58] <Revo> 98.167.193.17 - - [18/May/2012:22:52:39 +0100] "\x08P?\x1BDHq?`??\x00t?\x18[\x0F?|\x10?S??p????)0??1?h#??'?.?~????Z?=???\x19" 400 173 "-" "-"
[23:58] <Hexxeh> pwn2own style-ish
[23:58] <Revo> Seems legit
[23:58] <Revo> haha
[23:58] <Hexxeh> root it and it's yours
[23:59] <Revo> Thats an awesome idea
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir> New game?
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir> May the best hacker own all the pi's?
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[23:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Too much Pi is a bad thing
[23:59] <hamitron> be a right fat.....
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