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IRC Log for 2012-05-19

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[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be an interesting game to setup for.... create a program that monitors the "owner" when someone else takes control they change the "owner" and a point gets added to their score, when they lose a pi a point is subtracted.
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> You could just use a webserver to broadcast the owner, or something like that
[0:02] <BCMM> how would you add pis to the system verifiably?
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone caught cheating by pulling the card and resetting it is automatically disqualified.
[0:02] <BCMM> i'd just spawn dozens of fake Pis to win it
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> just a text file you need to change once you've got in
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[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, and then the pi would report itself to a webserver, and the webserver would manage the changes.
[0:06] <GabrialDestruir> There's no way you could have true verifiability.
[0:07] <hamitron> install the "game" on a read only media? ;/
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[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now ustreaming my Pi through an av-capture card
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[0:11] <teh_orph> hexxeh you make any progress with that chrome/egl/bcm stuff you were working on yesterday?
[0:11] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: sadly not, and apparently i won't be able to without a lot of work
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Gadget-Mac: card plugged into the pi?
[0:11] <teh_orph> why not?
[0:12] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: lemme find you the mailing list thread
[0:12] <teh_orph> uh oh, sounds involved!
[0:12] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/topic/chromium-dev/7mIFBxMKcCY/discussion
[0:12] <teh_orph> reading now
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> actually... there's no reason you couldn't make the "game" read only.
[0:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> SpeedEvil: plugged into my netbook, the video feed comes from the Pi
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> If you make the whole purpose of the game to protect the ownership file
[0:13] <teh_orph> ah
[0:13] <zarac> oh
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[0:13] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: so unless your drivers magically mask BCM stuff behind X, it won't work :/
[0:13] <teh_orph> so if the bcm egl ran ok in X (ie in a window) it'd be ok?
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> The only rules being you have to use a pi and you're not allowed to pull and directly modify the card.
[0:13] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: seems to be implied
[0:13] <teh_orph> right
[0:14] <Hexxeh> is that going to be possible you think?
[0:14] <teh_orph> oh yeah
[0:14] <teh_orph> can't you hack in an offscreen render target + glreadpixels + send to x?
[0:14] <teh_orph> rather than full-screen render
[0:14] <teh_orph> and no x
[0:15] <Hexxeh> it's completely beyond me sadly
[0:15] <teh_orph> get out!
[0:15] <Hexxeh> i've never done X OR GL before :p
[0:15] <teh_orph> ah
[0:15] <Hexxeh> i just ebuild hack, baby stuff in comparison
[0:15] <teh_orph> I got hooked up with some other rpi X people yesterday
[0:15] <teh_orph> nice to know they're suffering the pain, and totally in at the deep end too!
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[0:17] <DaQatz> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/549323_343546702367254_176890359032890_848411_931213621_n.jpg
[0:17] <teh_orph> flipper alert
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[0:19] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: wouldn't glreadpixels be a slow approach?
[0:20] <teh_orph> could be worse
[0:20] <teh_orph> as long as there's just one X window
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[0:20] <teh_orph> just do it before the vsync/buffer swap
[0:20] <Hexxeh> afaik yeah, just one X window
[0:21] <Hexxeh> i mean, still beyond me, but interesting to know
[0:21] <FollowingGhosts> Hey guys, I've managed to get Transmission running headless but now I'm running into network share permissions errors. /media/torrents is chmodded to 777 and then the permissions for the network mount are set for the debian-transmission group. Am I missing anything?
[0:21] <teh_orph> what's the group/user?
[0:22] <FollowingGhosts> debian_transmission
[0:22] <teh_orph> one thing I encountered yesterday,
[0:22] <teh_orph> is that the group of the user that will access the files?
[0:22] <FollowingGhosts> Yeah
[0:22] <teh_orph> col
[0:22] <teh_orph> *ool
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[0:23] <FollowingGhosts> I connect to all the files through my Win PC apart from that. But transmission just sads out with read only filesystem
[0:23] <teh_orph> what about the owner?
[0:23] <FollowingGhosts> owner is debian-transmission too
[0:23] <teh_orph> minor thing: found this yesterday
[0:23] <teh_orph> if you have files which are 777
[0:24] <teh_orph> and you're not the owner, you can't change the permissions yourself
[0:24] <FollowingGhosts> Hmmm, I 777'd it all as root
[0:24] <teh_orph> dunno why I never realised that - I thought 777 meant full access
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[0:25] <FollowingGhosts> I get read only filesystem running as root too, so it's obviously a samba issue
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[0:33] <teh_orph> mini-poll: anyone planning on using their pi with a 1080p screen (assuming speed no issue)
[0:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> teh_orph: already have, but not for anything much more than accessing a direct command line
[0:35] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: yes
[0:35] <DaQatz> Well my monitor is 1080p, so when ever it's hooked to a screen; the screen will be 1080
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[0:37] <teh_orph> I wonder what the average screen size will be
[0:38] <teh_orph> some hardware features are useless at big res
[0:38] <DaQatz> His res is great with split screen emacs
[0:39] <DaQatz> Even in a framebuffered console
[0:39] <teh_orph> is that an emacs-specific feature?
[0:40] <DaQatz> Lots of terminal programs do split screen
[0:40] <DaQatz> Vi ,Screen ,Weechat ,irssi
[0:40] <teh_orph> but like if I wanted a nano + terminal can I do that?
[0:40] <DaQatz> tmux
[0:40] <plugwash> i'm betting the most common screen res will be 1920x1080
[0:40] <DaQatz> teh_orph, For nano you wold need to use screen or tmux
[0:41] <teh_orph> I use screen anyway - what do I do?
[0:41] <teh_orph> cheers for the help :)
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[0:42] <DaQatz> http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference
[0:42] <FollowingGhosts> I feel stupid :( I realised my network share wasn't working because the Linkstation had reset itself. Also, OpenVPN certificate generation is like watching paint dry on the Pi :D
[0:42] <teh_orph> I can't believe I never knew that!
[0:42] <DaQatz> ANd you need 2 nano sessions
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[0:44] <FollowingGhosts> Who thinks OpenVPN will actually be usuable on the Pi once it's set up?
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[0:44] <trevorman> camera module - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1254
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[0:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Do want camera module!
[0:50] <teh_orph> I STILL can't post to those pages
[0:51] <teh_orph> what're they gonna do about the lens?
[0:51] <teh_orph> looks pretty tiny
[0:51] <trevorman> looks a bit fragile though
[0:51] <trevorman> teh_orph: that is it. its a phone camera.
[0:51] <shirro> can you pull those apart to take the ir filter out?
[0:51] <teh_orph> some of them you can
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[0:52] <teh_orph> some have it straight on the sensor though
[0:52] <shirro> For schools it would be a huge advantage to be able to do IR I think (not to mention I want it)
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[0:53] <teh_orph> being able to remove the lens altogether would be great
[0:53] <teh_orph> picking one focal length for everyone would be a bit weird
[0:53] <shirro> I am worried they will go all socialist and only sell the cheapest unit everyone can afford. Would be great to have some choices
[0:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Can't you just do IR via the GPIO?
[0:53] <teh_orph> :D
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[0:54] <trevorman> shirro: idk. it might not actually have an IR filter. the one in my phone sees IR quite strongly.
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[0:54] <shirro> yeah, most camera phones will see ir leds in remote controls. is handy to see if they are working or not
[0:55] <shirro> but I was thinking proper ir photography
[0:55] <trevorman> ah
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> For hunting predators?
[0:56] <Mike632T> Hi - What should I do with the files here https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware to resolve a problem 'mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt', do I just need to download matching files from the boot folder to /boot or is it more subtle than that..?
[0:56] <teh_orph> IR is amazing
[0:56] <teh_orph> you can tell dyed hair a mile away!
[0:57] <trevorman> once the driver for this is released, it should be relatively easy to put in some other camera anyway
[0:57] <trevorman> assuming you can get a datasheet
[0:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mike632T: use rpi-update if you can, makes it easy :D
[0:58] <shirro> I thought the drivers were very camera specific. And closed.
[0:58] <teh_orph> yeah...do you get an equivalent for UVC for that interface?
[0:58] <Mike632T> I don't have a functioning pi
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mike632T: Ah! in that case, I think you dump the contents of boot into /boot
[1:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> And wish upon a star
[1:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder what the mentioned SD card patch improvement is
[1:00] <shirro> I don't think the broadcom guys like messing with linux that much. I imagine the camera will probably be on another Khronos api somewhere.
[1:00] <Cheery> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/raspberrypi
[1:00] <trevorman> shirro: hm. thought the source you see in the window was the kernel but enlarging it shows its just a test app. no idea then. if you can get a datasheet then you should be able to port it though.
[1:01] <Cheery> so near yet so far. :D
[1:01] <Cheery> the color change is coming from another process
[1:01] <Cheery> but I'm seeing NOTHING
[1:01] <Mike632T> OK
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[1:01] <teh_orph> shirro: yeah I think the juicy stuff may be hidden away
[1:02] <teh_orph> getting register spec sheets for cameras means NDA
[1:02] <teh_orph> wrap it in open*****
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[1:03] <SpeedEvil> If you're talking about CSI drivers - there are issues.
[1:03] <trevorman> :|
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> Firstly - openness of the camera spec is required if you want to connect a random camera.
[1:04] <SpeedEvil> Secondly - the functional unit that the camera connects to has to be both configurable in hardware - and the driver able to configure that hardware to support it.
[1:04] <teh_orph> so is there an equivalent to USB's UVC?
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[1:04] <teh_orph> ie to support just the basics?
[1:04] <SpeedEvil> No.
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> It's really nothing like UVC.
[1:05] <teh_orph> sounds like a closed-source camera jobbie then
[1:05] <shirro> It would be good if they picked a camera module that had a "big brother" with the same interface but better specs so people can upgrade. Would make supporting multiple cameras easier.
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[1:05] <SpeedEvil> The ideal way would be to expose all the capability of the functional unit in the SoC
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> In the driver.
[1:06] <teh_orph> ah yes is there an SoC image processor too?
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> this may be complex - as it's likely that it goes through an analogous unit to the GPU
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> yes
[1:06] <shirro> teh_orph: there better be. shipping raw pixels around on the pi would be fun
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> typically there is a camera image processor that can do vignetting correction and bayer extraction.
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> And maybe hardware ?PEG of some form
[1:07] <teh_orph> some cameras have some of these features in an ISP in the camera sensor though
[1:07] <teh_orph> maybe they picked one of those?
[1:07] <shirro> Can you imaging how long it would take to move 14megapixels around on the Pi
[1:08] <teh_orph> well :)
[1:08] <teh_orph> got DMA working today - 2GB/s +
[1:08] <shirro> teh_orph: your dma stuff could be handy
[1:08] <shirro> shirro: is that useful for anything other than X?
[1:08] <teh_orph> not really
[1:08] <teh_orph> the CPU can't consume the data fast enough#
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[1:09] <shirro> so we will get accelerated copy and move over a certain size rect from that. what other ops are you looking at?
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: As I understand it on-sensor JPEG units have gotten less common with the rise of chips that can cope with it
[1:09] <teh_orph> fills and composites (with caveats)
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: But I haven't done enough research
[1:09] <teh_orph> I guess we'll find out what they've chosen soon enough...
[1:10] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[1:10] <shirro> teh_orph: could that be used from fbdev as well?
[1:10] <teh_orph> yep
[1:10] <teh_orph> however Dom/Eben have tried this and not got a good return
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[1:10] <teh_orph> I don't think it's async enough
[1:11] <shirro> they might not have been trying the right programs.
[1:11] <teh_orph> do you mean the actual framebuffer console, out of interest?
[1:11] <teh_orph> or fb X?
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[1:11] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: DMA between what and what?
[1:11] <friggle> teh_orph: I think Dom and Eben tried it in the kernel framebuffer driver, and the problem was that nobody uses the ops
[1:11] <shirro> I mean /dev/fb0 but fb X as well I guess
[1:12] <teh_orph> friggle: yeah, that's the one I mean
[1:12] <friggle> shirro: this http://pastebin.com/A0rvasgN but basically it never gets called
[1:12] <shirro> so does the dma lock everything up. the pi is damn unrepsonsive as it is
[1:12] <teh_orph> speedevil: cameras I've used have used dma to push data into main memory
[1:12] <teh_orph> one scanline at a time
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: The camera doesn't know anything at all about DMA.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> The camera takes a clock, and outputs data on its data lines, as it's been configured to.
[1:13] <teh_orph> where to?
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> The camera interface unit then takes that data and does stuff with it.
[1:13] <teh_orph> ah
[1:14] <teh_orph> no intermediate controller with some on-chip memory?
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> This may be directly writing to a configured area of memory, or processing it in some manner, then writing it
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> It may have a small amount of on-chip memory
[1:14] <teh_orph> is this interface fast then?
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> If I was feeling energetic, I could link you to the nokia n900's SoC image processor unit.
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[1:14] <teh_orph> (as in video-fast)
[1:15] <shirro> I am going to end up with 32MB for Linux and 224MB for camera/opengl/video
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> It's as fast as required for the sensor.
[1:15] <teh_orph> fair point
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> In current sensors - this can be hundreds of megabits a second.
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[1:16] <teh_orph> reckon it's cache coherent?
[1:16] <shirro> Camera interface would be quite an io channel if it was opened up
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> The camera interface unit will have enough memory to do cache coherency
[1:17] <teh_orph> if it pokes it straight into memory it might not snoop the cache, I mean
[1:17] <teh_orph> ?
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[1:17] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> It may or may not touch the cache - I'm unsure how it works.
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> In general, you don't care
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[1:17] <SpeedEvil> Actually - I guess you do
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> as you don't want it flushing the cache
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> which it effectively would.
[1:18] <teh_orph> DMA is cache coherent though
[1:18] <teh_orph> so you could DMA from uncached to cached
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[1:18] <SpeedEvil> You wouldn't normally want the image data cached.
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[1:18] <friggle> teh_orph: DMA on the Pi? Not L1 coherent I believe
[1:19] <teh_orph> good point - L2 at least
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[1:37] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6122
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[1:39] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: you know what'd be cool?
[1:39] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1254
[1:40] <Cheery> appears raspberry pi can capture itself now ^^
[1:40] <Cheery> put the camera module point to tv
[1:40] <Cheery> lol
[1:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's be a bit meta
[1:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> But good for showing off its blinking LEDs
[1:41] <Cheery> darn great image quality btw
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> The pi capturing itself capturing itself? >.>
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[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> Put a Mirror behind it and you can get the pi and the camera it's capturing itself with thus capturing itself fully. >.>
[1:46] <gordonDrogon> wave 'morning.
[1:47] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: I got a working example, which shares pixmaps between processes
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> Sadface, no 14MPixel camera, they're gonna downgrade it for affordability.
[1:47] <shirro> Cheery: so what do you share between the processes? is it just a handle?
[1:48] <Cheery> shirro: yep
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Camera-Part-NOKIA-N8-Replacement-/180862966085?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1c45d945
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[1:48] <Cheery> shirro: the handle lets me attach itself to a texture, which I can use to render normally
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> Screw 14 - I want 40
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> http://mynokiablog.com/2012/02/13/rumour-nokia-808-pureview-with-crazy-camera-resolution-30-40mp-x-ray-vision-optional-p-jk/
[1:49] <shirro> Cheery: I have wanted to play with that for several months. might have to get away from the kids for a bit today. what are you thinking of doing with it?
[1:50] <wrdx> Anyone with Archlinux experience around?
[1:50] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, hi. That's good. er, why?
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[1:50] <Cheery> shirro: I think about rolling an experimental desktop environment. :)
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[1:50] <shirro> good. me too
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[1:51] <gordonDrogon> bed for me now - just in from seeing The Ukes in Bristol - off to http://field-studies-council.org/centres/slapton/slaptonley/outdoorclassroom/fsc-fieldwork-hack-day-2012.aspx tomorow...
[1:51] <wrdx> Is there a quick way to install tools usually found in any distro, like "top", "vim", "uptime" etc?
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[1:51] <Cheery> the topic tells it all, yet my source code looks so horrible I rather clean it up a little before sharing.
[1:51] <shirro> I want to play with doing something different and keyboard oriented. As far away from touch interfaces as possible
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[1:51] <Cheery> shirro: do you have your pi yet?
[1:51] <shirro> yep. waiting for number 2
[1:52] <Cheery> do you mind if the source code quality is poor?
[1:52] <shirro> Not at all
[1:52] <shirro> Mine would be worse
[1:52] <wrdx> shirro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rfQqh7iCcOU something like this?
[1:54] <Cheery> boxbase.org/compositing_example.zip
[1:54] <Cheery> shirro: there you go
[1:54] <shirro> wrdx: perhaps :-) the kids would love that
[1:54] <Cheery> you should be able to run it in your pi
[1:54] <Cheery> sh build.sh
[1:54] <lars_t_h> wrddx, about your question, if debian use: sudo apt-get -y <action_name> <package1> <package2> ... <packageN>
[1:54] <Cheery> then call ./compositing, keep it running. and call ./compositing2
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[1:55] <lars_t_h> wrdx, you can also install Synaptic, and then start that gui package management tool
[1:55] <lars_t_h> sudo apt-get -y install synaptic
[1:56] <lars_t_h> start Synaptic with: gksudo synaptic
[1:56] <lars_t_h> or: sudo synaptic
[1:56] <raymohi> lars_t_h: He said Arch linux
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[1:57] <lars_t_h> raymohi, ok i did not get that for some reason, i am maybe a little bit tired
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[1:58] <Skrotus> morning
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[2:01] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6122&p=80321#p80321
[2:01] <Cheery> I put the file there as well.
[2:01] <Cheery> decided to publish it after all
[2:01] <Cheery> I'll do better publish at some point if I bother
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> Think acer would be mad if I sent the old ram back without their antistatic bag?
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[2:06] <Cheery> probably
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[2:06] <raymohi> GabrialDestruir: Depends is it already broken?
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[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly, which is why it's being replaced.
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well the return bit doesn't mention anything about returning the anti static back so...
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> -hordes-
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[2:13] <Foxhoundz> shirro: How is it that you're getting two Pis?
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[2:14] <shirro> Foxhoundz: you order from both distributors.
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> I should see what it takes to create that game we were talking about before.... lol
[2:16] <Cheery> I could perhaps describe the design of the experimental desktop env a bit
[2:17] <Cheery> I guess I'll try to design the apps specific to the desktop in a way that they use only single button in a mouse
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[2:18] <Cheery> which is any button really..
[2:18] <Cheery> well that.. and perhaps a wheel
[2:18] <Cheery> and well most apps anyway
[2:19] <Cheery> also going to avoid popup menus
[2:19] <Cheery> reason I'll do so is because I don't like them myself.
[2:22] <Cheery> when mouse throws up a menu.. you cannot imitate it with other systems available..
[2:23] <shirro> Cheery: I have lots of ideas but slightly different. I wonder if I might not be able to build on what you are doing
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[2:23] <Cheery> shirro: what are your language choices generally?
[2:23] <shirro> c, lua, python
[2:23] <Cheery> then you probably can use my systems. :)
[2:24] <Cheery> shirro: we might need to negotiate if the ideas clash.
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[2:25] <Cheery> my ideas are mostly related to how input and new devices get handled and presented to the user.. and how the app acquires a video buffer.
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[2:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Whee, finally got my totally enterprise'd website back and running
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[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if it's possible to somehow uniquely identify a Pi from other hardware.
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> Or like an actual Pi from just an emulator
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> There is no unique serial number
[2:40] <Ben64> mac address?
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> That's changeable I think.
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[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Cause I'm thinking on this Hacker Domination Game using Pi's the major issue is somehow insuring people are actually using Pi's and not say....
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> an emu
[2:45] <des2> Put a loop somewhere and see how long it takes to run. If it's too fast it's not a PI.
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Need to flesh out the rest of the idea too. lol
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[2:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Use /proc/cpuinfo
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[2:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> There's a "Serial" in there
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[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> That could work, but couldn't that somehow be spoofed?
[2:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have no idea!
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Say in a custom OS or something.... lol
[2:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Theoretically, anything coming out of the Pi could be spoofed
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[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> It's an intriguing idea, I'm just not sure how one would go about making it possible. lol
[2:53] <Ben64> what game
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[2:54] <SStrife> morning
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Basically people would have their Pi's and they'd be registered to a website or something.
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> and people would try to "hack them"
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> Then there'd be something like a file or a program which they could change to indicate they did such and that Pi would then "belong" to them.
[2:56] <Ben64> and then?
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> Then there'd be like a leader board, the more Pi's you "Own" the better you are at the game type thing.
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> Extra points if you can get bank statements and credit card details of the participants.
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Only if they're stupid enough to have it on their Pi in the first place?
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> Something attached to your network is a vulnerability
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> They idea would be that it's restricted to Pi devices, not just rampant hacking and theft and data destruction.
[3:01] <SStrife> does anyone know where I can get the sources for the RPi Quake 3 build?
[3:02] <SStrife> i want to graft their OpenGL ES modifications to ioquake3 and/or openarena
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> More "friendly" than say "Anonymous" I'm gonna get you I'm gonna get you back hacking and counter hacking and revenge hacking etc.
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[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, has anyone here gotten hulu working on the Pi?
[3:50] <SpeedEvil> Most of us are where Hulu doesn;'t.
[3:52] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right... there's that .-.
[3:52] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot windows doesn't like formated USB devices.
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir> Partitioned*
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[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> Ugh I have an 8GB image that won't fit on my 8GB card because it reads the card as 7.5GB
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[4:29] <Ben64> because 8GB cards aren't 8GB, they're 8000MB
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> bah
[4:29] <Ben64> and 1MB isn't 1024KB, its 1000KB
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> Stupid crap .-.
[4:30] <Ben64> its been going on for ages
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> apparently the image is 7.70GB but my Disk reads as 7.4GB
[4:31] <Ben64> device size with M = 1024*1024: 1907729 MBytes
[4:31] <Ben64> device size with M = 1000*1000: 2000398 MBytes (2000 GB)
[4:31] <Ben64> makes my 2TB drive 1.8TB
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could DD it
[4:32] <Ben64> if the image is too big, it just won't work
[4:34] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't a DD image save data in order or something.... so data at the end of the disk is at the end of the file?
[4:35] <Ben64> yeah, kind of
[4:40] <hotwings> the iec defines it as 1024, not 1000
[4:40] <hotwings> another mistake people make is not considering unformatted size vs. formatted
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[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well this is annoying, I don't know what I did with the original openelec image I was using
[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[4:42] <hotwings> a 2TB drive is not 2TB formatted -- not because of a difference in calculating (1000 vs 1024), but because the harddrive needs to use some of that space for tables and so on when formatted
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[4:43] <hotwings> GabrialDestruir - redownload it ?
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[4:45] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5163&sid=8008cf792a5a047ba3a3b522d9926fec&start=750#p79652 try this one, if you are using linux
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir> I find it hard to believe that a few gigabytes is lost over tables. .-.
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[4:49] <hotwings> its a combination of things. besides the decimal vs. binary, you have all the tables and also have to factor in bad sectors
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[4:49] <hotwings> i dont know why people think tables would be miniscule. think about what the tables are used for.. takes more than a few bytes you know
[4:50] <hotwings> the bigger the drive, the more space required to manage the space
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[4:52] <rredd4> you won't really notice a few gigs off of a 2TB drive, this is a big drive
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[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> Initially you wouldn't, not until you got to the last few gigabytes.
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[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> I have a 1.5 TB, but it only registers as a 1.3 in the OS
[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> That's a 200GB difference.
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[4:58] <hotwings> what filesystem?
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> NTFS
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[5:01] <des2> Divide 2 trillion by 1024.
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[5:02] <GabrialDestruir> 195125000
[5:02] <jamesglanville> when you're in TB, you need to divide the given capacity by 1.024^4 to get the right value
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[5:02] <jamesglanville> 91%ish straight away
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[5:03] <jamesglanville> since the 1024 vs 1000 compounds every time
[5:03] <rredd4> so is debian, fedora, qtonpi and arch the only distros that work with the pi? any one try any other arm distros?
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[5:06] <des2> Yes because '1k' is 1024 and it's multiplied 4 times.
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> Either way it's a stupid system -.-
[5:07] <des2> They should have used a different symbol for powers of 2.
[5:08] <des2> like bk for binary k.
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I had a second TV or monitor or something that I could use my pi with.
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[5:11] <des2> Therin lies the flaw in the RPi model.
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> The fact it's designed for TV use? lol
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[5:12] <des2> The fact that you need something like a monitor anyway.
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[5:12] <funkster> anyone have an idea of when i can realistically order and recieve 20 rpi's? i ordered my first one 2 months ago I should get in few weeks.
[5:13] <des2> They won't even be caught up with the original order/interest batch til July apparently.
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[5:14] <funkster> gotcha
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[5:14] <funkster> anyone know of an alternative embedded board I can use with similar price tag? i need wifi and usb host port - server will only make remote api calls and download images
[5:15] <Kolin> nothing with a similar price tag
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> About to see if I can get hulu on Pi ^_^
[5:15] <funkster> is beagleboard the closest price tag available?
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[5:15] <funkster> beaglebone rather
[5:16] <Kolin> prety much
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think there even is another board that has a comparable price....
[5:16] <des2> Yes get a pogoplug for $30 and add wifi adapter.
[5:16] <funkster> i dont need 1ghz, 200mhz would be more then enough
[5:17] <Kolin> you could get an old athlon machine for about the same price :P
[5:17] <rredd4> i haven't got my pi yet, i ordered it on pi day. But I finally have a expected delivery date now!
[5:17] <funkster> yeah I need it to be small
[5:17] <des2> http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=221688297&sellerid=9298649
[5:18] <funkster> pogoplug can have linux on it?
[5:18] <jamesglanville> are the farnell dates likely to be accurate? mine is supposed to be dispatched in the week commencing the 21st may
[5:18] <Ben64> maybe
[5:18] <des2> Pogoplug P21 $23.99 shipped free (US)
[5:18] <Kolin> dunno jamesglanville havent used farnel
[5:18] <Kolin> im waiting on my pi from RS
[5:18] <des2> My pogoplug is runnign arch
[5:18] <Ben64> "Pogoplug Personal Cloud, Media Sharing Solution"
[5:18] <Kolin> ordered it earlyer this week, aparently 3 weeks lead time
[5:18] <Ben64> i wish people would stop using cloud incorrectly
[5:18] <Kolin> agreed Ben64
[5:19] <des2> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/pogoplug-provideov3
[5:19] <Ben64> you aren't supposed to know what is in the cloud
[5:19] <Ben64> thats why its a damn cloud
[5:19] <funkster> worst is people saying backslash when its not a backslash! lol
[5:19] <Ben64> \ = backslash
[5:19] <Kolin> lol
[5:19] <Ben64> / = slash
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[5:21] <funkster> des2: awesome - thanks! i will order this =D
[5:21] <des2> The pogoplug boots linux of the 4GB USB flash drive plugged in.
[5:21] <des2> (you supply your own USB flash drive)
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[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm....
[5:22] <des2> Note that the pogoplug has no video.
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> still waiting for the youtube plugin .-.
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> loading in this plugin seems to take forever .-.
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[5:25] <rredd4> for usa people, what power supply did you get for the pi. I hear that the iphone charger does not work
[5:25] <des2> My friends TV seemed to load new plugin/apps pretty fast.
[5:25] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using a my nook cord and my receiver atm
[5:25] <GabrialDestruir> directv receiver
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> I have no USB devices so it's not a worry there
[5:26] <funkster> des2: yeah I dont need any video
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[5:26] <des2> Lots of people use the pogoplugs running linux as bittorrent machines.
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> Youtube working
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> yay ^_^
[5:29] <Ben64> on pi?
[5:29] <Ben64> how? i thought it had no flash
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> XBMC
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> It's downloading the MP4 file or w/e
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> or I think it is.
[5:30] <Ben64> cool
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[5:30] <des2> Youtube has moved beyong flash.
[5:30] <des2> Which is why it works on those apple things.
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> It's streaming the file and playing it directly as opposed dealing with flash players.
[5:31] <Ben64> i wonder how firefox handles html5 youtube now
[5:31] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently OpenElec still has some issues to work through.
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[5:32] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> I can never get html5 to work properly .-.
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> we disagree with each other apparently.
[5:33] <Ben64> my firefox is showing it not supporting h264
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> I guess the buffer caught up or something, and it caused OpenElec to crash
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[5:38] <funkster> http://www.glomationinc.com/index.html seems to have some low cost boards
[5:40] <GabrialDestruir> Hm
[5:40] <GabrialDestruir> Seems hulu only sort of works .-.
[5:41] <des2> What you thing the PI is some type of media center ?
[5:42] <GabrialDestruir> That's the whole point of openelec and raspbmc isn't it?
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> Mediacenter type options?
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[5:44] <des2> Eventually perhaps.
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> Win, got it working.
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[5:48] <des2> Does this video work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMmjSE_d6J0
[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> screens still dirty
[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> :p
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[6:03] <GabrialDestruir> Eh it seems to have issue pausing/resuming but otherwise hulu is working okay.
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[6:06] <jamesglanville> anyone looking for pi cases? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270976055381 3d printed, available in black/red/purple/pink/blue for ??13.50
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[6:14] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for the camera modules to come out, then a case that'll hold the camera and the Pi
[6:14] <GabrialDestruir> -nods-
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[6:20] <funkster> GabrialDestruir: what you going to use camera for - any ideas/plans
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[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> No clue yet.
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> But I'm sure I could come up with something.
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[6:32] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi's interwebs seems to be slow.
[6:33] <Syliss> ive only ran mine for like 15 min
[6:33] <Syliss> i need to have a full day with it
[6:33] <Syliss> maybe next wednesday
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[6:33] <GabrialDestruir> It could be that it's not getting enough power for USB keyboard + ethernet...
[6:33] <Syliss> how are you powering it?
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> Through my directv receiver....
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> so it's probably only getting 500mA
[6:34] <Syliss> i could see 700-800
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[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> Camera + some sensors
[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> I could make a weather station
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[6:55] <jm|laptop> CarPi
[7:00] <GabrialDestruir> CarPi with a webcam could be interesting too.
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> Setup like a 2TB drive
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> record all your drives in HD
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> wonder if there'd be an accurate way to test for speed and temperatures and everything during a drive....
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[7:46] <GabrialDestruir> Yay for crashing XBMC
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[8:02] <UnaClocker> Awefully quiet in here..
[8:02] <UnaClocker> I replaced the boring red power LED on my Pi with a nice blue one.. :)
[8:03] <gordonDrogon>
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[8:06] <r00t|home> UnaClocker: i've done the exact opposite so often i stopped counting...
[8:07] <UnaClocker> :) If I had some white ones, I've have done the OK LED too..
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[8:09] <r00t|home> UnaClocker: same for white... those are just too bright to use as status indicators on anything...
[8:10] <UnaClocker> Yeah, strangely, this blue LED isn't running anywhere near full intensity, it's fairly dim compared to what LED's from this batch normally look like.. I put one on my Arduino and you can't even look at the board when it's on.. heh..
[8:10] <r00t|home> UnaClocker: one of the worst cases is bluetooth interfaces, which, by some unwritten law, all come with annoying blue limk LEDs...
[8:10] <r00t|home> *link
[8:11] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/blue_pi2.jpg
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[8:25] <r00t|home> fruitcake needs a fan?
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[8:29] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the stupid ethernet chip keeps overheating..
[8:30] <UnaClocker> Especially closed up in that plastic box.. Maybe with a heatsink stuck on that chip, and some well placed vents, it might be ok, but I'm just brute forcing the cooling for now..
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[8:31] <r00t|home> reminds me of some old intel printserver i had... powered by a 386 cpu(!)... and the NIC chip got so hot that i put a heatsink on it...
[8:31] <UnaClocker> heh
[8:31] <r00t|home> i also wonder if fruitcake v2 will have mounting holes in the board...
[8:32] <UnaClocker> Yeah, man it really needs some..
[8:32] <r00t|home> i also wonder why the usb connector is offset so far outside...
[8:33] <r00t|home> looks like silly design flaws you'd have in an early prototype but fix before production...
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[8:34] <UnaClocker> heh, I just assume they chose parts based on price, and didn't give a damn about the dimensions. ;)
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[8:34] <UnaClocker> I know I would have, to meet that price point.
[8:35] <r00t|home> still they could've known which connector they were going to use before finalizing the board... and those usb connectors and their dimensions should be very standard, and those aren't expensive parts anyway...
[8:36] <UnaClocker> Maybe they didn't have enough room to scoot it farther back on the board.. It's a pretty small board..
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[8:37] <r00t|home> but then you'd put the ethernet jack just as far out so they line up
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[9:34] <techman2> afternoon all
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
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[10:06] <RITRedbeard> morning
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> anyone try to power Raspberry Pi from battery yet?
[10:07] <deam> not really a battery but I did test it with one of these emergency mobile accu packs
[10:10] <techman2> some people have reported success with 4 AAs
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[10:29] <RITRedbeard> So everyone have their beloved XBMC working?
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[10:34] <aditsu_with_pi> everyone? I never ever used XBMC
[10:34] <Holden> me neither
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[10:45] <nacimep> best media player ever spawned
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[11:01] <popey> RITRedbeard: i had a play with xbmc on pi yesterday
[11:01] <popey> using a boxee remote with it
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[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> I was running my Pi from a USB backup battery for my cellphone
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[11:18] <def0> nice, it only takes 5v to run a pi?
[11:18] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
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[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> As for XBMC, not sure if it's just the pi or bad coding in openelec, but it takes forever to download things, and has issues with playback while trying to navigate the menus
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[11:23] <SStrife> My quake 3 is broken
[11:23] <SStrife> :-/
[11:23] <SStrife> just shows a white screen with a few flickering squares
[11:24] <SStrife> i'm trying to find out if it's faster on debian hardfp
[11:24] <SStrife> so i compiled it using raspberrypi/quake3 on github
[11:24] <SStrife> compiled fine, starts OK, sound plays
[11:24] <SStrife> but no picture :-(
[11:25] <clonak> swear at it, if that doesnt work, kick it.
[11:25] <clonak> if it still doesnt work, swear at it while kicking it.
[11:26] <SStrife> i'm past that stage
[11:28] <clonak> Hammer ?
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[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Raspberry Pancake
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> SStrife: if your SDRAM overclocked?
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> is*
[11:39] <SStrife> nope
[11:39] <SStrife> all stock
[11:40] <SStrife> only line in config.txt is disable_overscan
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[11:51] <SStrife> dero
[11:51] <SStrife> er
[11:51] <SStrife> derp
[11:51] <SStrife> i was using the 224/32 split
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[11:54] <Gadgetoid> SStrife: sheesh, how much RAM does quake need?
[11:54] <SStrife> not much
[11:54] <SStrife> but
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[11:54] <SStrife> there wasnt enough vrtam
[11:55] <SStrife> vra,*
[11:55] <SStrife> vram*
[11:55] <Gadgetoid> I haven't even tried quake yet, not sure if I can be bothered :D
[11:55] <Gadgetoid> Any faster on hf?
[11:58] <Kripton> quake uses float much
[11:58] <Gadgetoid> Haha, I'd hope so
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[11:59] <Gadgetoid> Gah, I have neighbours for the first time in ages so I can't properly test audio equipment
[12:00] <SStrife> what sort of framerates does the regular build get on armel ?
[12:00] <SStrife> i'm struggling to breatk 50fps here
[12:00] <SStrife> with no bots
[12:00] <SStrife> at 1280x1024
[12:02] <SStrife> hmm
[12:03] <SStrife> i turned the texture detail down
[12:03] <SStrife> and it had 0 impact on framerate
[12:05] <Gadgetoid> I'm not convinced the bottleneck is the GPU
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[12:05] <Gadgetoid> It's Quake, after all, not Crysis
[12:06] <Gadgetoid> Sure there's no framerate limit set somewhere? like vsync
[12:06] <SStrife> it does go down
[12:06] <SStrife> if i add some bots
[12:06] <SStrife> but only if the bots are on-screen
[12:07] <Gadgetoid> Can you turn the bot ai off?
[12:07] <Gadgetoid> I don't know much about the finer points of Quake, it must be said!
[12:07] <SStrife> i can kick them
[12:08] <SStrife> i could add a player
[12:08] <SStrife> ie. join the game from my PC
[12:08] <Gadgetoid> You'd want the players on screen to try and drive up the polygon count without adding any over overhead
[12:08] <SStrife> yea
[12:08] <Kripton> watchdog not working :(
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: ohrly? mine seems to fail to reboot when I cause a hard kernel freeze by overclocking sdram and running opengl demos
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> But if I prod it with kill -STOP it will inevitably reboot
[12:09] <Kripton> mine just doesn't do anything. I started the watchdog-process, stopped it and nothing happened
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> Did you compile the driver into your kernel? I'm not using your kernel yet
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> Been so busy hacking about I haven't had a chance to try it, ee!
[12:10] <mjr> if you controlledly stop the watchdog, it'll close the device, which causes the watchdog to be deactivated
[12:10] <mjr> unless you have CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT
[12:10] <Kripton> Yeah, the driver is built into the kernel and /dev/watchdig exists
[12:10] <Kripton> mjr, I paused the process. so it still has the file opened but doesn't write to it
[12:10] <mjr> okay
[12:10] <mjr> then something's amiss
[12:11] <Kripton> yup
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[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering why XBMC is having issues...
[12:11] <Gadgetoid> mjr: doesn't -STOP hang the watchdog, causing it to not write to the device, but still keep it open? 'cos it definitely causes a reboot
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[12:11] <mjr> Gadgetoid, yes.
[12:11] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, I'm wondering why MythTV and VLC have issues ...
[12:12] <Gadgetoid> I still need to try that forkbomb :D
[12:12] <GabrialDestruir> Well the youtube plugin works fine....
[12:12] <Gadgetoid> My Pi was being used remotely all last night, though, didn't have the opportunity
[12:12] <GabrialDestruir> unless you try to do anything but just let the video play.
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[12:16] <GabrialDestruir> Like if you try to manipulate the menu the video slows way down and the sound just keeps going on as normal.
[12:16] <Gadgetoid> Doesn't that involve compositing menus over the video?
[12:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yea but wouldn't that be done by the GPU?
[12:17] <GabrialDestruir> which is suppose to be all super awesome?
[12:17] <Gadgetoid> It *should* be
[12:18] <Kripton> why should it? the gpu does decoding and displaying the video
[12:18] <Kripton> + audio
[12:18] <Kripton> but the menus are not videos
[12:19] <Gadgetoid> No reason why you shouldn't GPU accelerate menus
[12:19] <Kripton> they can be accelerated using egl
[12:19] <GabrialDestruir> GPU should be doing the processing for all visual stuff.
[12:20] <Kripton> dunno wether XMBC uses EGL
[12:21] <GabrialDestruir> I also noticed that there seems to be a LOT of loading for just about anything regarding the youtube plugin... not quite sure why.
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[12:22] <GabrialDestruir> It's like when it goes to download the list of videos for a certain section it takes a good minute.
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[12:22] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: download source, improve :D
[12:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I might do just that.
[12:23] <GabrialDestruir> Or at the very least make a "Pi friendly" version
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[12:25] <GabrialDestruir> Well this might explain why there's some issue with my OpenElec .-.
[12:25] <GabrialDestruir> the CPU is running at full capacity even when idle.
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[12:27] <GabrialDestruir> That and it probably doesn't help that it's an alpha build, I'll have to play with it in debug mode after I get some sleep.
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[12:29] <deevo> how do i get one in the US?
[12:31] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... not sure what caused it, but CPU was maxed out which caused the GPU to work less efficiently.
[12:31] <GabrialDestruir> Or at least I'm assuming because before reboot I was rocking 20FPS as opposed to the 40FPS now
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[12:35] <Kripton> deevo, look at the FAQs on the homepage
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[12:36] <deevo> i did i was wondering if anyone else had some secret info
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> It looks like it's a case of youtube just being inefficient .-.
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> Newark is the US branch
[12:36] <Kripton> deevo, the US-pendant of Farnell or RS. Should be Newark
[12:36] <Gadgetoid> deevo: ebay?
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> Pro Tip: Don't worder from export.farnell
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> order*
[12:37] <SStrife> argh,
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> We need a curated raspberry pi owners map, so we can plan some Pi hack days
[12:37] <SStrife> i wish i could expand the root partition
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> Complete with raspberry crumble and raspberry pi for eatin'
[12:37] <SStrife> while the system is live
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> SStrife: why!?
[12:37] <SStrife> save some time
[12:37] <SStrife> alternatively
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> Sounds like doing your own brain surgery, but I'd agree
[12:37] <deevo> i need the raspberry pi for automation project
[12:38] <Gadgetoid> deevo: something an arduino wont handle?
[12:38] <SStrife> you can do it on Mac
[12:38] <SStrife> diskutil will resize partitions on the fly
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not very good at hacking, though I am tempted to to try and creating a hacking "game" which could be played using Pi
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[12:38] <SStrife> and presumably the GUI tool will as well
[12:38] <Gadgetoid> When I get my new SD cards I'm going to be trying to set up a more public Pi-share
[12:39] <Gadgetoid> I'm not sure it's really possible to let more than one user do their thing at any one time, though, there's only one display!
[12:39] <SStrife> alternatively, i wish I could get to the SD card from within parallels
[12:39] <Kripton> SStrife, you can: resize2fs
[12:39] <SStrife> i tried that
[12:39] <Gadgetoid> SStrife: can't you share the SD card to parallels!?
[12:40] <SStrife> what was my next idea, but i'm not sure if it will do it
[12:40] <SStrife> guess i'll fire it up and see
[12:40] <Gadgetoid> Anything on the USB bus can be shared, I know that much??? I've hooked all sorts of crap directly to Parallels
[12:40] <SStrife> (parallels i mean)
[12:40] <SStrife> i dont know if the SDXC reader is on the USB bus
[12:40] * SStrife investigates
[12:40] <SStrife> resize2fs won't resize a mounted partition ;)
[12:40] <Kripton> it will
[12:40] <SStrife> oh?
[12:40] <SStrife> hmm
[12:41] <Gadgetoid> I just used gparted, I'm lazy
[12:41] <Kripton> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_to_online_resize_the_Ext4_filesystem.3F
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[12:42] <GabrialDestruir> It'd probably be easier to find out what was breaking in XBMC if I had some sort of XBMC task manager
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[12:42] <Gadgetoid> Better off doing your own partitioning and then manually copying the files over??? although I'm not sure what /boot will think of that
[12:43] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, that's where dd comes into play
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[12:43] <Gadgetoid> Macs and ruddy Extfs, crumble!
[12:43] <GabrialDestruir> dd a pre-existing image onto a specific partition.
[12:44] <Kripton> don't blame extfs :)
[12:44] <Gadgetoid> I'm blaming Macs
[12:44] <Kripton> or dd the partition-table and resize the partitions afterwards
[12:44] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, that's fair :)
[12:44] <Gadgetoid> Fortunately I have a netbook with an SD-card slot that runs linux, but it's currently booted into WIn7 to ustream the video out from my Pi
[12:45] <SStrife> aha, i just remembered why resize2fs doesn't work
[12:45] <Gadgetoid> I'm pretty sure I managed to mount the SD card on my MacBook Pro into my Debian linux VM though
[12:45] <SStrife> it wont resize the containing partition
[12:45] <SStrife> or is there a switch to make it do so?
[12:45] <Kripton> SStrife, right, you have to do that before. Like it's written in the man page
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[12:45] <Kripton> SStrife, no but there's fdisk or cfdisk or parted or gparted
[12:45] <SStrife> and thats where I'm stuck :)
[12:46] <SStrife> none of those will work on a mounted partition
[12:46] <Kripton> and afterwards you need "partprobe" so that the kernel knows the new partition table
[12:46] <Kripton> SStrife, fdisk will do surely
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[12:46] <SStrife> oh? hmm
[12:46] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... when I tell my Pi I want to see the normal menu stuff with the video in the background.... like it should be able to do... it shits itself.
[12:46] <Kripton> maybe parted and gparted will refuse to work on y mounted but fdisk will surely do the job
[12:47] <SStrife> yep, just trying fdisk now
[12:47] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: any luck with watchdog?
[12:48] <SStrife> fdisk doesn't have a resize function
[12:49] <GabrialDestruir> Just do what I did....
[12:49] <GabrialDestruir> load up a VM of ubuntu with gparted installed
[12:49] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, just trying again. process is paused
[12:49] <GabrialDestruir> use disk utility to unmount the volumes
[12:50] <GabrialDestruir> then resize them and you're good to go
[12:50] <SStrife> i'm booting up ubuntu in parallels now
[12:50] <SStrife> to see if i can do it that way
[12:50] <Kripton> SStrife, then delete the partition and create a new one
[12:50] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: there's a watchdog device setting in the conf that's commented out, probably 'cos it's also a hard-coded default, but it might make a difference
[12:50] <Kripton> should do no harm while the system is running
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[12:50] <wrdx> uke dykkemaske og sv??mmef??tter fra Toys 'r' us til arktisk dykking.
[12:50] <wrdx> Huke dykkemaske og sv??mmef??tter fra Toys 'r' us til arktisk dykking.
[12:51] <wrdx> urk...
[12:51] <wrdx> stupid middlemouse
[12:51] <SStrife> vi sittar har e venten och spelar litte dota
[12:51] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, yeah read that. Remebmer, it's my kernel :)
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[12:51] <johang> diving and swimming?!
[12:51] <Gadgetoid> Jag ar en BADGERRRR!
[12:51] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, 70 seconds and still no reboot
[12:51] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[12:51] * johang puts on his lusekofte
[12:51] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: curious!
[12:51] <Gadgetoid> I feel a sudden urge to test it again
[12:52] <Kripton> ok, now it did reboot
[12:52] <Gadgetoid> I wonder what the timeout is
[12:52] <Kripton> I killed the proc then. need to do more testing
[12:53] <GabrialDestruir> Does the Pi actually have a "Suspend" mode?
[12:53] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, I don't think so. but in the default kernel config, suspending is enabled
[12:54] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, process stopped and counting ...
[12:54] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: if you're feeling brave, overclock your sdram to 500mhz and run hello_triangle to cause a freeze
[12:54] <Gadgetoid> Mine doesn't reboot in that case
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[12:55] <Kripton> didn't try overclocking yet
[12:55] <GabrialDestruir> I really have no clue why it takes the pi more than a few seconds to download small files .-.
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[12:56] <Kripton> 120 secs and no reboot
[12:56] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, working with SD-card? maybe it's too slow when flushing
[12:57] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose that could be it.
[12:57] <GabrialDestruir> How are you triggering this reboot?
[12:57] <Kripton> start the watchdog and pause it. should reboot then
[12:58] <Kripton> don't know what exactly cause the reboot on last test
[12:58] <Kripton> ok, now I know it.
[12:59] <Kripton> with no watchdog-process running, do "cat /dev/watchdog"
[12:59] <Kripton> that causes a reboot for m
[13:00] <Kripton> yep, reproducible
[13:00] <wrdx> anyone else running arch on the pi?
[13:00] <Kripton> wrdx, I can if you need s.th. tested
[13:03] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure what I broke.... but apparently it was bad .-.
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[13:07] <GabrialDestruir> Somehow I went and broke hulu -sadface-
[13:08] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, I think I'm using the wrong "watchdog" in userspace ...
[13:09] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: ohrly!?
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[13:10] <wrdx> Kripton: s.th.? Was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions regarding alsa/alsamixer
[13:10] <Kripton> wrdx, ALSA-driver is broken in kernel when it comes to alsamixer. It's not Arch-specifig
[13:12] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, according to the docs just sending SIGKILL to the watchdog should trigger it as well since the kernel expects the process to write a "V" to /dev/watchdog before closing the file. If it's closed without haveing the "V" written to it, the watchdog should trigger as well. But for me it doesn't
[13:12] <Kripton> Will do some strace'ing
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[13:13] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: good luck, it would be an excellent thing to get working properly
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[13:15] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, according to strace, /usr/sbin/watchdog doesn't touch /dev/watchdog at all
[13:15] <Mike632T> Hi - Are there any instructions on how to get Debian to install on a Pi (as opposed to just using the existing image) - I've found some instructions but they tell you how to populate /boot but not what to do next...
[13:15] <wrdx> Kripton: any workarounds regarding sound then?
[13:15] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: errrr???. that's interesting
[13:15] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: when I ran watchdog and tried to cat /dev/watchdog I got "device busy"
[13:16] <Kripton> wrdx, I think there's some other way to set output-gain but I didn't find it yet
[13:16] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, shut down the watchdog and then cat the file. should reboot
[13:16] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: with it running: "cat: /dev/watchdog: Device or resource busy"
[13:16] <Gadgetoid> In /etc/watchdog.conf "watchdog-device = /dev/watchdog"
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[13:18] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, still busy
[13:18] <zgreg> Mike632T: I doubt you will have much luck with a vanilla debian
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[13:18] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, ah well, that line was commented out in my config file ... >_<
[13:18] <Gadgetoid> Interesting: /usr/sbin/wd_keepalive
[13:18] <zgreg> Mike632T: you always need the raspberry pi kernel and various tweaks... not worth the effort
[13:19] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: killed the keepalive, instareboot
[13:19] <zgreg> just modify the existing image
[13:19] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, with the line in the config-file, /usr/sbin/watchdog works as expected. reboot after 9 secs
[13:19] <Kripton> so it was just a config-issue
[13:19] <wrdx> Mike632T: The Arch image is completly "clean" if you want a no fuzz distro
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[13:20] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, I don't have this command on Gentoo. But as I know now, watchdog does its job well
[13:21] <Kripton> "service watchdog added to runlevel default" :D
[13:21] <Gadgetoid> Although as I said before, when I cause a freeze the watchdog didn't work
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[13:21] <Gadgetoid> Presumably despite the Pi becoming outwardly responsive, watchdog is still doing its thing
[13:21] <Mike632T> That is a lot of changes to get back to a basic command line install with nothing on it..
[13:21] <Gadgetoid> might be worth changing "realtime = yes" to "realtime = no" so kill if the Pi is heavily loaded
[13:22] <Kripton> yep. did you try the forkbomb? :)
[13:22] <Gadgetoid> Not yet :D
[13:22] <Gadgetoid> does it work?
[13:22] <Kripton> I'll do :)
[13:22] <Kripton> dunno
[13:23] <Gadgetoid> is it a good idea through SSH?
[13:24] <chris_99> could the OOM killer prevent a forkbomb
[13:25] <Gadgetoid> RIght, I'm watching my PI on ustream :D
[13:25] <Gadgetoid> ******* adverts!
[13:25] <Kripton> So, here's the result: I deactivated the swap since it would just take longer with the same effect:
[13:25] <Kripton> I started the forkbomb and seconds after, SSH was killed (conenction closed). Some further seconds later, it stopped reacting to ping-requests
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[13:25] <Mike632T> Does anyone already have a stripped down Debain image?
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[13:26] <Kripton> some 5 secs later it rebooted.
[13:26] <Kripton> Now the same w/o watchdog ...
[13:26] <Kripton> Mike632T, want Gentoo? :)
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> Just bombed mine
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> Kernel panic
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> Reboot
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> Incidentally, I have mine set to reboot on kernel panic after 20 sec anyway
[13:27] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, w/o watchdog it does not reboot. So it surely does its job
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> But this was faster
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: For great science!
[13:28] <Kripton> did a hard-reset now
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> I'll have to add that step about /dev/watchdog in the conf to my website guide
[13:29] <Kripton> didn't you have it there? or do you mean the configuration-file
[13:29] <Gadgetoid> Amazing how fast my Pi comes back up
[13:30] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: yeah about the config file, I uncommented that line but didn't document it
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[13:32] <Kripton> good to get that documented
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the Hulu plugin hasn't been programmed to deal with a wrong password.
[13:32] <Kripton> Yeah, the Pi is a fast-booter if you don't use a SD for /
[13:32] <Gadgetoid> USB memory stick for / ?
[13:32] <Kripton> External 2.5"-USB-HDD
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[13:34] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
[13:34] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: nice, how fast is it with one of those?
[13:35] <Gadgetoid> I've considered picking one up, but might wait for a config.txt option to help nubs like me boot from a different device
[13:35] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, that file is called cmdline.txt and is easy as nothing
[13:35] <Kripton> just look for "/dev/mmcblk0p2" and replace it with /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or whatever you need
[13:36] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: waaah! didn't know it was so easy!
[13:36] <Kripton> it is :)
[13:36] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, that would be the .txt config option for nubs like me
[13:37] <Gadgetoid> Sudden urge to hack together an external hard drive...
[13:37] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, on you doc-page: please mention to de-active any possible swap partitions or files. Otherwise the fork bomb might take ages to actually kill the system
[13:38] <Kripton> and here's how long the system took to reboot: 64 bytes from rpi-dev (192.168.189.203): icmp_req=56 ttl=64 time=0.763 ms
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[13:38] <Kripton> 64 bytes from rpi-dev (192.168.189.203): icmp_req=80 ttl=64 time=10.4 ms
[13:38] <GabrialDestruir> A little sata drive?
[13:38] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: good point
[13:38] <Kripton> 24 seconds
[13:38] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, yes, SATA with an external enclosure (SATA-to-USB2.0)
[13:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking like a laptop sized one... keep with the portability.
[13:38] <Gadgetoid> "Free Mem: 130.8Mb" is a nice thing to see
[13:39] <Kripton> I feel the urgent need to do an fsck now after so much hard rebooting
[13:39] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, yes, it's a 2.5" HDD
[13:39] <Gadgetoid> Wonderful things happen when you don't have Apache/MySql installed on a linux machine :D
[13:39] <Kripton> that is laptop size. Even nicer would a a 2.5" SATA-SSD
[13:39] <Gadgetoid> That said, most of our client's websites run on 256mb linux instances
[13:39] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, ever tried lighttpd?
[13:39] <GabrialDestruir> That sounds like an interesting project....
[13:40] <GabrialDestruir> could be fun if you did a whole little built in case type thing.
[13:40] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: I tried a few apache alternatives at one point, can't remember if it was one of them
[13:40] <Gadgetoid> I'm currently using Ruby thin
[13:41] <Kripton> lighttpd is so small-footprint :) and sooooo easy to configure. and can do PHP or any other CGI
[13:41] <Kripton> yes, I read that :D
[13:41] <Gadgetoid> haha, you actually read it? hurrah!
[13:41] <Kripton> okay, file system didn't take any damage
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[13:41] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, I did yesterday. You read that about the swaps?
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if the Pi could handle a wordpress site....
[13:41] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, it can
[13:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well now I want a second pi .-.
[13:42] <Kripton> but you better use sqlite instead of mysql then
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> Eee??? wordpress??? ick!
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> Says I, who uses it for gadgetoid.com :D
[13:42] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, on you doc-page: please mention to de-active any possible swap partitions or files. Otherwise the fork bomb might take ages to actually kill the system
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> Kripton: I updated it, thanks
[13:42] <Kripton> kay
[13:42] <SStrife> Kripton: I thought all the cool kids were using NginX these days?
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> In italic, and everything
[13:43] <Kripton> SStrife, then I'm not a cool kid :(
[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> I don't blog often, I wanted to start blogging my pi experiences.
[13:43] <Kripton> I just love lighttpd
[13:43] <Gadgetoid> Blogging paid for my Pi
[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> but I'm using wordpress on my site.
[13:43] <haltdef> I'm quite fond of nginx
[13:43] <haltdef> be interesting to see which one behaves the best on the pi
[13:43] <Gadgetoid> Blogging is a nice sideline if you can monetize it effectively
[13:44] <chris_99> i think the chances of that are slim though Gadgetoid
[13:44] <GabrialDestruir> I could never properly monetize blogging.... I don't blog about anything that anyone wants to hear about.
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[13:44] <Kripton> ok, emerging php and lighttpd now :D let's do some benchmarking. overclocking not allowed :P
[13:44] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: just write about cats!
[13:44] <Gadgetoid> chris_99: truth, monetization is *hard* unless you're just spamming the internet with cat-website-scraping tools
[13:45] <chris_99> hehe
[13:45] <GabrialDestruir> Unless you're already setup or know the right people a blog about anything "important" is gonna be likely ignored.
[13:46] <Gadgetoid> Sadly one of the major blog monetization practises is coming to the end of its life; link/content sales
[13:48] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/
[13:48] <GabrialDestruir> I'm keeping my Pi blog there atm
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> We need a Pi blog network :) like the good ol' days
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> Probably worth a wiki page, if the wikians haven't already created one
[13:49] <GabrialDestruir> Use my network >.>
[13:49] <GabrialDestruir> It's already setup.
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> I could probably add in a wiki too.... no fancy "pi" name, but it could work :p
[13:50] <Gadgetoid> I mean we need a list of links to all the Pi blog authors out there ;D
[13:50] <SStrife> if you're going to start a Raspberry Pi related site
[13:50] <SStrife> call it "The Bakery"
[13:50] <Kripton> elinux-wiki?
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> Actually probably would go with "The Pi Bakery" just probably because that url isn't bought up yet
[13:51] <Gadgetoid> Semper Pi
[13:51] <Kripton> so lets see who of us is fastest at regging it :)
[13:51] <SStrife> Pi Shop
[13:52] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[13:52] <SStrife> Mrs Lovett's Pi Shop
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> If you're running a website on your Pi, and are not using the port 31415 then you're a monster!
[13:52] <GabrialDestruir> That's not a fight I'm gonna bother with.
[13:52] <GabrialDestruir> you can have thepibakery.com
[13:53] <Gadgetoid> eyespypi :)
[13:54] <Kripton> hooray, my Pi can even sand mails now ...
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> Pi office server? >.>
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> Only cost 100 bucks to build? xD
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> I might set up a site on :80 to redirect to :31415
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> Just to annoy people with firewalls
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[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow... apparently my site has been setup for open registration for a while now o.O
[13:58] <Gadgetoid> I need something worthwhile to run on my Pi in its downtime, to make the Ustream feed more interesting
[13:58] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if there are any scene demo ports :D
[13:58] <GabrialDestruir> Make it calculate Pi in it's downtime
[13:58] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[13:58] <Gadgetoid> Ha! In Ruby so it takes 100x longer
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> Have it calculate digit by digit or something and say like
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> "The first digit of Pi is: "
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> "The second digit of Pi is: "
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> etc etc etc
[14:00] <GabrialDestruir> "The One Millionth Five Hundred and Twenty Third Digit of Pi is: "
[14:00] <Gadgetoid> My new SD cards haven't turned up, waaaah
[14:00] <Gadgetoid> On the plus side, these did: http://www.microlab.com/?r=Stereosystemen&st=full&id=582
[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> Though I suppose
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[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> you could just do a read out type thing...
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[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> With the digit number in the corner and the digit taking up a good portion of screen.
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> fucking hulu plugin .-.
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> doesn't want to work the way I want it to work.
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> Which is funny cause I want it to work the way it was designed to work...
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[14:10] <GabrialDestruir> I need to setup some sort of download portal, so I can link people to stuff I'm hosting and they get maybe a google ad and the link.
[14:11] <wrdx> Kripton: Is there a chance that the Arch release performs poorer from SD card than the debian release?
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[14:13] <mjr> do they happen to use different filesystems?
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[14:18] <GabrialDestruir> http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
[14:19] <GabrialDestruir> This site would be more entertaining if it autoupdated itself :p
[14:20] <Kripton> wrdx, I don't know. Might be, might not
[14:20] <wrdx> mjr: As far as paritioning, both uses a DOS/FAT boot parition, only difference is a swap partition on the debian
[14:21] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't swap on sd bad?
[14:22] <mjr> meant eg. if they use different revisions of the ext[234] filesystem for root
[14:22] <Kripton> GabrialDestruir, not the fastest thing ...
[14:22] <Kripton> mjr, I suppose it's ext4 for both
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[14:22] <GabrialDestruir> I though swap on SD was suppose to kill the card faster.
[14:23] <mjr> Any writing to the card will of course kill it faster. But it's not necessarily that bad with decent amount of swapping.
[14:25] <Kripton> Hey, I could setup the distcc and the cross-compiler on my nas. That runs 24/7
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[14:27] <kvarley> Any ideas on how to get a WiiMote connected to XBMC running on OpenELEC ?
[14:27] <mjr> (if you get it to trash on the swap, that's probably bad)
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[14:28] <Kripton> kvarley, with a USB-bluetooth dongle?
[14:28] <kvarley> Kripton: sorry - I meant software-wise
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[14:29] <kvarley> Kripton: I don't see an Add-On for it in the repositories you see
[14:29] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if the OpenElec build could handle the strain of an HTTP server....
[14:30] <kvarley> GabrialDestruir: You could always disable other XBMC features to free up some memory
[14:30] <GabrialDestruir> Actually it has one built in....
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[14:34] <zgreg> a simple http server probably does not qualify as strain
[14:35] <GabrialDestruir> True.
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[14:35] <zgreg> if you use it to serve complex web applications, it's a different story
[14:36] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what it would take to turn the existing webserver into a full PHP serving one.
[14:37] <kvarley> You may be best just installing nginx and php5 away from xbmc and adding it to the boot arguments
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[14:38] <GabrialDestruir> Perhaps, I'll look into it later, night all.
[14:40] <zgreg> but why would you want that?
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[14:40] <zgreg> the pi is not the right device if you want to run lots of stuff on the same machine
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[14:59] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy Cheery
[14:59] <Cheery> hi
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[15:11] <Simon-> is anyone else able to set gpios 10 and 11 to input without it freezing up? :/
[15:11] <Simon-> # cat gpio_11
[15:11] <Simon-> [ 34.074977] bcm2708_pinctrl 20200000.pinctrl: get 00677069@f2200001 (11 = 5)
[15:11] <Simon-> GPIO_IN GPIO_OUT SPI0_SCLK [SD3]
[15:11] <Simon-> # echo GPIO_IN > gpio_11
[15:11] <Simon-> [ 38.268302] bcm2708_pinctrl 20200000.pinctrl: read 00677069@f2200001 (11 = 5)
[15:11] <Simon-> [ 38.275452] bcm2708_pinctrl 20200000.pinctrl: write 00677041@f2200001 (11 = 0)
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[15:14] <r00t|home> hey... i hear the fruitcake's USB ports are attached via ethernet (which is attached via usb again)? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raspberrypi_block_function_v01.svg
[15:15] <mjr> not quite
[15:15] <mjr> that diagram is misleading though
[15:15] <Kripton> The USB-ports and the ethernet are connected via USB
[15:15] <r00t|home> i mean, there ARE usb over ethernet bridges... but using those inside the same pcb, involving two ethernet nics and a switch, would be silly
[15:16] <Kripton> Think of it as a USB which two ports routed out and an ethernet-NIC on the third port
[15:16] <r00t|home> mjr: sure you mean "misleading" and not "wrong"/"incorrect"/"fucked up"?
[15:16] <mjr> r00t|home, on the Pi (model B), there is a chip that is connected to the SoC's USB bus, and that provides a three-way USB hub, with two ports exposed and the ethernet device on one of the internal USBs
[15:16] <mjr> r00t|home, well, "fucked up" maybe :)
[15:17] <ReggieUK> lanuage mjr!
[15:17] <ReggieUK> language even!
[15:17] <ReggieUK> and you r00t|home!
[15:17] <r00t|home> ReggieUK: he quoted me...
[15:17] <ReggieUK> either way, it doesn't make it right :)
[15:17] <mjr> wonder if I should bother to fix the image
[15:17] <r00t|home> mjr: if you don't i will
[15:18] <ReggieUK> either way I'd appreciate it if you kept that kind of language out of this channel please :)
[15:18] <r00t|home> (and i will make sure to include some "language" in the svg source :P )
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[15:19] <mjr> probably should be "CPU/GPU" <-> USB HUB <-> 2x USB
[15:19] <mjr> ^-Ethernet
[15:19] <mjr> well, maybe "hub" in lowercase
[15:20] <r00t|home> well, how important is it to indicate that hub and ethernet are on th same chip?
[15:20] <r00t|home> at very least, the "ethernet" box should say "ethernet w/ usb hub"
[15:20] <r00t|home> otherwise it makes no sense at all
[15:21] <DaQatz> !w
[15:21] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat May 19 17:51:00 2012. Temp 441??Ra. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 54%, Later 536??Ra - 505??Ra. Condition: Clear.
[15:21] <Simon-> surely the first usb chip is already not separate?
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[15:21] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[15:21] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[15:21] <DaQatz> !w
[15:21] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sat May 19 17:51:00 2012. Temp 63??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 54%, Later 77??F - 46??F. Condition: Clear.
[15:21] <DaQatz> Better
[15:22] <FrankBuss> Simon-: works for me, but I do it like this, on the Debian image: http://pastebin.com/1QZCKBzj tested with connecting the pin to +3v3 and GND, it outputs 1 and 0
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[15:22] <des2> Use Fahrenheit it makes it seem warmer...
[15:22] <r00t|home> but i guess putting hub and ethernet in separate boxes is better, and if one cares to point that out the details, add a note below them
[15:22] <DaQatz> I'm in the states fahrenheit is what we use.
[15:22] <r00t|home> Simon-: even better, then
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> !w
[15:23] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 283K. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 66%, Later 283K - 275K. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:23] <r00t|home> spammers...
[15:23] <Simon-> FrankBuss: and if the pin is floating?
[15:23] <DaQatz> Maybe I should mod PiBot to deliver weather via pm
[15:23] <FrankBuss> 0, if I don't touch it with my fingers :-)
[15:24] <r00t|home> DaQatz: i just tried to request via pm and was wondering why it's not working...
[15:24] <DaQatz> Odd
[15:24] <DaQatz> Worked for me
[15:24] <r00t|home> exact command being?
[15:24] <r00t|home> i tried w and !w
[15:24] <DaQatz> us !w LOCATION
[15:25] <DaQatz> If you have not set it with !weather_set loc LOCATION
[15:25] <DaQatz> !w London
[15:25] <PiBot> DaQatz: in London. Temp 61??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 59%, Later 64??F - 50??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[15:25] <r00t|home> ah, i was thinking geoip
[15:25] <DaQatz> TO many people mask their hosts for that to work well.
[15:25] <r00t|home> also, get rid of those damn imperial units...
[15:26] <DaQatz> Use !weather_set c
[15:26] <DaQatz> for Celsius.
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[15:26] <r00t|home> is that a global settting? :P
[15:26] <Kripton> !weather_set c
[15:26] <PiBot> Kripton: You're now using celsius.
[15:26] <Kripton> yay
[15:26] <DaQatz> It sets it for you
[15:27] <Kripton> !w
[15:27] <DaQatz> Bot defaults to what ever google weather gives it.
[15:27] <gamegeek> hi guys looks like they finaly show of the camera
[15:27] <DaQatz> Need to set a location too
[15:27] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc 03901
[15:27] <PiBot> DaQatz: Your location has been set to 03901.
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[15:28] <wrdx> Will the system run faster if I put the root filesystem on a USB drive insead of SD card?
[15:28] <DaQatz> Probably yes
[15:28] <gamegeek> sd is faster
[15:28] <DaQatz> SD cards are very slow.
[15:28] <Kripton> wrdx, it will surely run faster with an external (USB) HDD
[15:29] <wrdx> Kripton: What about usb sticks vs sdcard?
[15:29] <trevorman> wrdx: the SD interface is slow on the RPi. you should get better performance off USB.
[15:29] <Kripton> dunno, never tried a thumbdrive
[15:29] <haltdef> usb sticks can vary dramatically
[15:29] <trevorman> its not been verified but somebody measured the SD clock and its quite slow
[15:30] <haltdef> there's one with an SSD controller in it
[15:30] <Kripton> but trevorman is propably right
[15:30] <trevorman> the card I've got in mine is good for 10MB/s sustained and I get that in a desktop but it only does about 5MB/s in the RPi
[15:31] <haltdef> sequential doesn't matter when you're running an OS on it tbh
[15:31] <gamegeek> just use the sd foor boot leoding the rest u can put on a stick
[15:31] <trevorman> yeah. it was just a quick & dirty test though
[15:31] <DaQatz> trevorman, Doesn't surprise me.
[15:31] <trevorman> its slower than it should be anyway
[15:31] <DaQatz> trevorman, Desktops also cache things well and sync afterwards.
[15:32] <DaQatz> Not sure how well the pi does.
[15:32] <trevorman> DaQatz: I ran bonnie++ on it. It wasn't just a file copy.
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[15:32] <DaQatz> Nods
[15:32] <Simon-> oh I'm reading/writing to the wrong register location :/
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[15:37] <gamegeek> is anyone interested in a reprap printed case and keybeord specificly made for the pi?
[15:37] <Simon-> the wiki is wrong for gpios 46-53.. they're alt3 not alt0
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[15:41] <Cheery> gamegeek: keyboard?
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[15:43] <gamegeek> yes a keyboard that is prety smal, not as small as the rpi, printed out of the same material as the case
[15:43] <Cheery> how do you mount keyswitches to it?
[15:44] <FrankBuss> Simon-: which wiki? this one http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals says nothing about alternate functions for GPIO46-53 and looks like the datasheet says just "internal" for it
[15:44] <gamegeek> sercuitbeord bihind it
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[15:44] <Simon-> FrankBuss: http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
[15:46] <gamegeek> Cheery the idear was to have a case thats a keybeord and under it it has the rpi harddtive and power suply
[15:46] <Cheery> it's a nice idea if you can get it no higher than 2cm
[15:46] <Cheery> or 5cm
[15:47] <gamegeek> about 3 cm to 2.4 at the front
[15:47] <Simon-> these pin settings are persisting over a power off...
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[15:48] <Simon-> although maybe I'm not powering it off for long enough
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[15:49] <gamegeek> http://i.imgur.com/kVtU8.png
[15:49] <FrankBuss> ok, that's the same as in the datasheet, maybe with <internal> they mean that the alternate function is not disclosed. and I guess the fsel value for GPIO46 is 0, for input for the hotplug detection
[15:49] <gamegeek> Cheery this is a rugh sketch
[15:49] <Cheery> gamegeek: I'd say that doesn't look good design at all. the angle in keys is just so huge
[15:50] <Simon-> FrankBuss: the internal function is showing as ALT3
[15:50] <Cheery> gamegeek: but looks like a draft though
[15:50] <Simon-> ALT0 is an assumption someone made
[15:50] <Simon-> oh it's in the PDF
[15:50] <Simon-> but it appears to be wrong as I see them all as ALT3
[15:50] <gamegeek> Cheery realy? i have a raizer black widow about that angle
[15:51] <ReggieUK> cheery, what is it?
[15:51] <ReggieUK> oh a pi in a keyboard?
[15:51] <chnopsx> one of these day's I'm going to rip my rip apart
[15:52] <gamegeek> yes
[15:52] <Cheery> ReggieUK: yes
[15:52] <ReggieUK> kind of looks like an old c64
[15:52] <gamegeek> Cheery what angle dous it need to be?
[15:52] <ReggieUK> what someone should really do is start making 'bbc micro' chassis and keyboard sets!
[15:52] <ReggieUK> that would be an instant seller
[15:52] <Cheery> gamegeek: I think the steelseries keyboard has good angle
[15:53] <gamegeek> what angle is that
[15:53] <Cheery> I'm not sure.. but looks like.. 5-7 degrees?
[15:53] <gamegeek> ok im looking into it
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[15:54] <Simon-> they're definitely alt3
[15:54] <Cheery> gamegeek: though one thing yet..
[15:54] <Cheery> gamegeek: what's the point in having computer and keyboard in one packaging?
[15:55] <ReggieUK> because all you then need to do is plug it into a screen
[15:55] <ReggieUK> don't need to search for a keyboard
[15:55] <ReggieUK> could put some kind of mini trackball on it too
[15:55] <Cheery> well yeah. it's good for fixed terminals.
[15:55] <ReggieUK> just a quick question, why are you using mechanical buttons?
[15:55] <FrankBuss> Simon-: that's interesting, my idea was that for hot plug detection they just need a simple input pin. I which we had the full source code and specification
[15:56] <ReggieUK> most keyboards these days are using membranes and rubber pads
[15:56] <ReggieUK> cuts out a fair bit of cost
[15:57] <Cheery> ReggieUK: mechanical keys are still much better
[15:57] <ReggieUK> no need for a pcb, tactiles etc
[15:57] <Simon-> FrankBuss: no, it is
[15:57] <Simon-> FrankBuss: but when it uses it itself, it appears to be on ALT3
[15:57] <ReggieUK> oh sure, mechanicals are nice, so if it's a design choice that's fine
[15:57] <Cheery> ReggieUK: it's cheap vs. quality question.
[15:57] <Simon-> also, ARM JTAG isn't going to show up on the datasheet as it's internal to the ARM CPU
[15:57] <Cheery> of course such design puts design pressures to get the overall quality right.
[15:57] <ReggieUK> ahh, I'm not necessarily talking cheap, just cheaper :)
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[15:58] <Cheery> he left. :(
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[16:01] <Simon-> http://s85.org/mqrAW8Gs :)
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[16:04] <FrankBuss> nice! looks like the JTAG is available as GPIO, too
[16:04] * Simon- thinks
[16:04] <Simon-> that doesn't make sense
[16:05] <Simon-> if you select the ALT modes, that reroutes that function to a pin
[16:05] <Simon-> e.g. the ARM JTAG is then available on that pin
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[16:05] <Simon-> when you set it to in/out you'll just get that pin's value
[16:05] <gamegeek> http://i.imgur.com/Tt7gv.png like this then
[16:06] <gamegeek> cheery this is 7??
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[16:07] <gamegeek> or sude i go with a more laptop type keybeord
[16:08] <FrankBuss> Simon-: right, looks like you can route some pins of the JTAG header to the other header
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[16:09] <FrankBuss> how can I install pinctrl on my RPi?
[16:09] <Simon-> this is a kernel driver I'm working on
[16:10] <FrankBuss> ok, I think I should use this then someday for my I2C driver, too ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=80355#p80355 )
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[16:11] <FrankBuss> looks easier and more useful to use for embedded systems than loading/unloading modules or kernel parameters
[16:12] <FrankBuss> and would make it easier to create something like an Arduino enviroment, where you can set the required functions by program
[16:12] <Simon-> bootc is about to start on I2C
[16:12] <FrankBuss> really? my driver is nearly finished :-)
[16:12] <bootc> ahh yeah I was going to speak to you FrankBuss
[16:13] <bootc> I saw your code but wanted to integrate it into the i2c framework
[16:13] <bootc> my SPI now works nicely along with interrupt mode :-D
[16:13] <FrankBuss> this would be nice, I like hardware hacking, but Linux is always so much digging through deep structures :-)
[16:13] <FrankBuss> so feel free to integrate it in the i2c framework
[16:14] <bootc> FrankBuss: cool - I'll make sure to give you credit as you clearly did the hard parts already
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[16:14] <FrankBuss> thanks
[16:14] <bootc> meanwhile if you want to try SPI: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/19/spi-on-the-raspberry-pi-again/
[16:16] <FrankBuss> nice, 7.8 MHz
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[16:16] <bootc> yeah :-)
[16:17] <bootc> FrankBuss: is the latest revision of your I2C code the version in http://pastebin.com/hLCmdkb5 ?
[16:17] <FrankBuss> yes
[16:18] <bootc> OK great, I'll get cracking then :-)
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[16:19] <FrankBuss> btw: when you integrate the I2C driver, CDIV should be calculated correctly, with the default values it generates a clock of 160 kHz, but if you integrate it in the i2c framework and if you have a git-hub or something, I can fix it later
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[16:20] <FrankBuss> and error detection is slow, it runs into the timeout instead of failing fast, should test the ERR bit
[16:21] <bootc> right
[16:21] <bootc> thanks for the pointers
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[16:25] <FrankBuss> your SPI driver looks nice, you've used the same concept with wait_event_interruptible_timeout/wakeup as I've used. and spin_lock is better than my lock-all approach :-)
[16:26] <FrankBuss> should be not to difficult to replace the I2C specific parts in it for a clean I2C driver
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[16:31] <bootc> FrankBuss: yep that's what I thought, it looks mostly about right - just need to swap the chardev for i2c stuff
[16:31] <Cheery> gamegeek: you can get it lowered by putting the raspberry pi upside down
[16:32] <r00t|home> or by desoldering the usb connector
[16:32] <gamegeek> but then u cant get to the iopins ans camera pins
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[16:33] <Cheery> gamegeek: umm.. 3d printer? you can make another cover to the bottom
[16:33] <gamegeek> nvm
[16:34] <Cheery> and I thought when you don't have one board over the pins it's easier to access them isn't it?
[16:35] <gamegeek> ?
[16:36] <gamegeek> how do u want to rotate it
[16:36] <chnopsx> I wonder, can I just shove a PATA or floppy drive cable/connector on the io pins and use those wires for experimentation?
[16:36] <Cheery> upside down in the picture.
[16:36] <bootc> FrankBuss: before I get too involved, I take it you agree for me to use your code under the terms of the GPL
[16:37] <Cheery> gamegeek: Y+180??
[16:37] <bootc> (as in, I can assume the GPL or a compatible license on your code?)
[16:38] <FrankBuss> bootc: yes
[16:38] <gamegeek> whats the point of that all the outputs wil be flipt and at an angle
[16:38] <Cheery> you could get slightly lower profile still
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[16:39] <gamegeek> mybe yes
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[16:39] <Cheery> I'm not further sure whethere the keyboard pi is even a good idea
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[16:40] <Cheery> after all I like about the chance to pick my own keyboard. :)
[16:41] <gamegeek> own keybeord
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZX81-SINCLAIR-COMPUTER-WORKING-ORDER-/160800947406?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item25707bbcce
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[16:42] <Cheery> gamegeek: though there's not a problem that you couldn't get the thing without the keyboard.. so maybe it's good idea after all
[16:43] <gamegeek> wel since ther is so much space left in the back i van ad a powersuply and a usb hub
[16:45] <Cheery> cool idea
[16:45] <Cheery> all-in-one expansion board box
[16:45] <Cheery> I might have liked they had added those into RPi readily though..
[16:46] <gamegeek> yea wel its beter then hanging everyting seperatly on he poor pi
[16:46] <Cheery> but then this probably handles okay
[16:46] <Cheery> and having the usb-hub in same box makes it look like a real computer anyway
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[16:47] <Crenn-NAS> Woo... programming after midnight, makes it more enjoyable somehow
[16:47] <FrankBuss> bootc: there is another todo: the current version uses a buffer of 256 bytes max, which should work for 95% of all I2C devices, but would be better to allow the max size of the BSC module of 64k
[16:48] <FrankBuss> I didn't want to do an kalloc for each transfer, but 64k static array doesn't sound like a good idea
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[16:49] <FrankBuss> but if kalloc is fast enough, this would be the solution
[16:50] <FrankBuss> or vmalloc, I don't know the maximum allowed page size for kalloc on the ARM
[16:53] <bootc> I'll take a look
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[16:53] <bootc> I suspect I'll just be using buffers handed to me by the i2c subsystem so I won't need to worry about that at all
[16:54] <FrankBuss> ok, this would make it easy, no user space / kernel copy problems
[16:54] <FrankBuss> I would expect this, too, because it is a common problem and would simplify many drivers
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[16:57] <funkster> Anyone aware of low end linux single board computer for under $50? i need 40+ - all I need is linux and wifi - then its very low resource tasks
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[16:59] <Kripton> raspberry pi?
[16:59] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[16:59] <funkster> notice how I said, i need 50+ lol
[16:59] <funkster> 40+ rather*
[17:00] <funkster> thats surely not possible anytime soon with rpi
[17:00] <Kripton> lighttpd + php working now. phpinfo-page looks good :)
[17:00] <Kripton> funkster, wouldn't be too sure. RS is producing like hell
[17:01] <Kripton> funkster, otherwise: http://www.8devices.com/product/3/carambola/specs
[17:02] <funkster> Kripton: yeah im sure in few months they will catch up but i sorta need 40-50 SBC's yesterday =(
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[17:05] <johang> fiftyonefifty: RS will have like 75k units in june
[17:05] <johang> is there any way of starting the pi again after running shutdown -h now? (without cycling the power)
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[17:06] <chris_99> don't think so
[17:08] <aditsu_with_pi> funkster: what about pogoplug? (I'm not sure)
[17:08] <Kripton> johang, don't think so either
[17:08] <funkster> i think pgoplug will work but id have to take that thing apart and im not sure what i will encounter
[17:08] <funkster> pogoplug*
[17:09] <johang> funkster: how about some of those routers you can run openwrt on?
[17:09] <hotwings> cant think of any pc you can turn on directly by remote when its completely powered off
[17:09] <johang> hotwings: well, most computers have a power-on button. I'm thinking something like that.
[17:09] <funkster> johang: yeah looking at those - id rather just puchase a few board from a manufacture since i need to many
[17:10] <funkster> if it was one off id rip apart pogoplug and a router and see what I can do
[17:10] <hotwings> johang - you cant push a power-on button if youre not there to push it
[17:11] <hotwings> funkster - many to you and many to a vendor may not be defined the same ;)
[17:11] <zylche> Just setup another rpi that has a gpio pin to cycle the power of the other rpi, and replicate the trick on the other rpi. As long as one of them is up you'll be able to do it fine
[17:11] <funkster> hotwings: that is def true lol
[17:12] <Kripton> just insert a normall-closed-pushbutton into the power supply line. then you have your power/reset button :P
[17:12] <zylche> Not network-capable Kripton :p
[17:12] <Kripton> right
[17:12] <Kripton> just like the power-button
[17:12] <FrankBuss> johang: screwdriver and short +5V and GND :-)
[17:12] <Gadgetoid> The Pi can power cycle itself with watchdog
[17:13] <johang> I guess I'm going for a HW hack then.
[17:14] <johang> thing is, it's not powered off. power led is on.
[17:14] <johang> it's in a third post-shutdown state.
[17:14] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, freak :) not when it's powered off :D
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[17:16] <Kripton> johang, the ethernet-chip used on the Pi supports WakeOnLan. And the pin header between the analog audio and the composite-video is routed directly to the ethernet chip
[17:16] <Kripton> so it might be one of these is toggled when a WOL-packet is recieved
[17:17] <Kripton> this is just a bit guessing but the datasheet from that IC and the Pi's schematics are public
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[17:17] <Kripton> so figure yourself :)
[17:17] <Kripton> if you connect that pin to the BCM-ICs reset-line you might get it running
[17:17] <johang> most excellent
[17:17] <johang> that's worth researching
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[17:20] <FrankBuss> I can't find a reset pin on the microcontroller, but there is a "run" pin, with a 100k pullup to 3v3, which might be a reset, if pulled to low
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[17:24] <Kripton> FrankBuss, like I said: just guessing. I'm just taking a look at the schematics for the first time.
[17:24] <Kripton> And since I have you here: Nice work on that I2C-driver. Keep it up :D
[17:25] <FrankBuss> thanks
[17:26] <Simon-> 16:04:21 <+johang> is there any way of starting the pi again after running shutdown -h now? (without cycling the power)
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[17:26] <Simon-> if you wanted to you could keep interrupts on and trigger the watchdog from a gpio pin
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[17:27] <Simon-> I don't know what reading LAN_RUN does
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[17:27] <Kripton> Simon-, that idea is nice. just modify the kernel's "system halt"-function to do s.th. else
[17:27] <Simon-> you could try leaving gpio6 in input mode and continually read it
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[17:29] <Simon-> 16:13:22 <+johang> it's in a third post-shutdown state.
[17:29] <Simon-> no it's not
[17:29] <Simon-> it only has one state: on
[17:29] <Simon-> halting the kernel just does while(1)
[17:29] <johang> I see. makes sense.
[17:30] <Simon-> for gpio6 it won't matter if you've halted or not
[17:30] <Simon-> just put it into input mode and try sending WOL packets
[17:30] <bootc> which is fun as if you have the lockup detector enabled it complains about a softlockup a little while after halting :-)
[17:30] <Simon-> heh
[17:30] <Iota> My raspberry pi has 25 days uptime. D:
[17:31] <bjorn`> Mine has 15
[17:31] <bjorn`> 'cause I forgot all about it
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[17:32] <Simon-> bootc: I could do with a generic "reprobe every platform driver 3+ times" debug option :)
[17:32] <Simon-> (to test the remove code)
[17:32] <Kripton> Does the Pi have any serial number programmed into it? How does it know its Ethernet MAC-address? Where is that stored? SD-card? Ethernet-chip? I'm sure s.o. here knows ... :)
[17:32] <Simon-> the GPU has access to the serial
[17:32] <Simon-> the MAC is derived from the serial
[17:32] <Kripton> so it's somewhere on the broadcom-chip?
[17:32] <Simon-> yes
[17:33] <bootc> Kripton: what Simon says; I think it's in an EEPROM somewhere
[17:33] <Simon-> but specifically not on the ethernet chip
[17:33] <Kripton> k, thanks
[17:33] <bootc> yes on the BCM chip
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[17:37] <FrankBuss> johang: I've tested it: I've pulled the "run" pin at the 100k resistor to GND, with a 1k resistor, and the RPi resets. still working after the reboot :-) http://i.imgur.com/eymqp.jpg
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[17:38] <FrankBuss> I guess you don't need a 1k resistor and you can pull it to GND without one, but I don't know what the pin does, so it is more safe
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[17:39] <Kripton> good to know that
[17:39] <johang> FrankBuss: nice. thanks.
[17:40] <Kripton> now you just need to configure the ethernet-chip for Wake-On-Lan on the right pin and voil?? we have a Reset-on-LAN-hack
[17:40] <Simon-> pity there's no alt setting on gpio6 to reset on wol
[17:40] <Simon-> you don't need any special wiring if you just do it in the halt loop
[17:41] <Simon-> bootc: halt is probably best implemented as multiple sleeps rather than a while...
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[17:43] * FrankBuss wish we would have a full datasheet for the BCM2835
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> ""
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[17:46] <Gadget-Mac> FrankBuss: No joy with the new i2c driver I'm afraid :(
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[17:50] <FrankBuss> Gadget-Mac: what says "tail -n 20 /var/log/messages" ?
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[17:52] <Gadget-Mac> FrankBuss: http://pastebin.com/H03hwQTi
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[17:52] <Gadget-Mac> I had the previous bitbanging module loaded, but unloaded all of the i2c related modules first
[17:55] <FrankBuss> looks good, "initialized" and "module unloaded" is from the driver
[17:56] <Gadget-Mac> Wonder if i2cdetect looks of /dev entries of the form i2c-?
[17:57] <FrankBuss> it is not a standard Linux i2c driver, just a simple "insmod i2c.ko" should work
[17:57] <FrankBuss> will be registered then as /dev/i2c as a character device
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[17:58] <Gadget-Mac> Ok.
[17:58] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: i2cdetect won't work with Frank's driver
[17:58] <bootc> I'm working on converting it though
[17:58] <Gadget-Mac> bootc: I know :)
[17:58] <FrankBuss> oh, so i2cdetect might not work :-)
[17:59] <Gadget-Mac> OWFS dosn't work etiher, but that could be for similar reasons I guess
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[18:04] <FrankBuss> right, but this works: http://www.frank-buss.de/io-expander/linux-i2c-test.c if you replace /dev/i2c-0 with /dev/i2c , but maybe just wait for the full integration from bootc
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[18:04] <Gadget-Mac> FrankBuss: Ok.
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[18:10] <Kripton> Anyone knows what this wants to tell me: http://pastebin.com/JqxixjYA ? USB bus overload?
[18:11] <Kripton> this has been with a USB audio interface now but I've seen similar with two different mice
[18:11] <Kripton> Ethernet and my USB HDD are dead until I plug the "offending" device (audio IF, mouse) out again
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[19:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Added progress bars to my Pi website now, to show cpu, memory and disk stats
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[19:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn, overwrote some old stuff somehow, odd
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[19:05] <hotwings> oopsy
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[19:08] <fiftyonefifty> Thanks johang , I have one ordered from Element 14 already, but I'd get a second when RS makes them available.
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[19:17] <rm> Gadgetoid_Air, what's the URL?
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[19:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> rm: http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
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[19:24] <rm> nice
[19:25] <rm> you should get yourself IPv6 (e.g. tunnelbroker.net), and then have it without an ugly port number :)
[19:26] <Veryevil> Love your Pi website
[19:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> rm: ugly??? the port??? is Pi :D
[19:27] <r00t|home> rm: or mod_proxy ;)
[19:27] <markus> ip-6 has way more :portnumber
[19:27] <markus> and ipv6 adress is built up only with port numbers
[19:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> My router is whining about ipv6, I think the provider I used went down
[19:27] <r00t|home> markus: lol
[19:29] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: i tried to hit f5 a couple of times, just a few
[19:29] <MBS> so is the newark ship date correct these days?
[19:29] <markus> still 2.8% cpu
[19:30] <MBS> getting Expected Ship Date: 29 May 2012 now
[19:30] <markus> r00t|home: i was making a joke .. heh...
[19:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> ahh, ddos :D
[19:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> The page is normally memcache'd but it's turned off for development
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[19:31] <r00t|home> markus: oh my god, i had not realized...
[19:31] <markus> Nice page but I don't think you need to put "*Raspberry Pi is a trademark of the Raspberry Pi Foundation" in there if you don't want to
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[19:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: yeah probably not on a microsite
[19:33] <markus> I mean I can type Microsoft and Macbook air if I wan't to
[19:33] <markus> "wan't" :D
[19:34] <[SLB]> why can't it be on port 80?
[19:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> [SLB]: it could be, but??? I mean??? 3.1415! come on!
[19:36] <[SLB]> yea that's cool :D i thought that was your choice of port because of some reasons port 80 wasn't working eheh
[19:37] <markus> i host my pages on port 8086
[19:37] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:37] <markus> :(
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[19:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm contemplating adding a micro-server alongside it to host on 80 and redirect
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[19:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Done :D
[19:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, main server has died
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[19:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh, wait, no??? I'm a total idiot
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[19:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Redirected to the wrong domain :D
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[20:02] <mkopack> hey gang...
[20:02] <mkopack> So, can somebody walk me through the process to get one of the OS images copied over to a USB HD and mod the SD's boot settings so it'll run the OS off the HD?
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[20:03] <Kripton> Anyone knows what this wants to tell me: http://pastebin.com/JqxixjYA ? USB bus overload?
[20:03] <Kripton> this has been with a USB audio interface now but I've seen similar with two different mice
[20:03] <Kripton> Ethernet and my USB HDD are dead until I plug the "offending" device (audio IF, mouse) out again
[20:03] <Kripton> mkopack, didn't we have this yesterday? Which way did you choose? ;)
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[20:03] <mkopack> yeah we briefly talked about it, but I was at work at the time??? Now I'm at home sitting in front of it and can actually DO it.
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[20:04] <mkopack> I just DL'ed the newest version of raspbian and put it on an SD, but I'd like to give it a go off the HD to get better speed still
[20:04] <D34TH> use the rpi emulator?
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[20:05] <Kripton> mkopack, if you have the image, you can write that directly to HDD
[20:05] <Kripton> that is faster than copy anything from SD
[20:06] <smoof> how do I enable the v4l drivers in the debian image? Trying to get a webcam to work...
[20:06] <Kripton> and since you said you can delete everything on the HDD ...
[20:06] <Kripton> smoof, build your own kernel
[20:06] <mkopack> ok. Let me re-download it quick since I pulled it down on my laptop instead of the desktop machine
[20:06] <Kripton> smoof, or compile the needed modules
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[20:06] <Kripton> mkopack, okay. just dl it in the ubuntu-VM and plug the HDD as USB drive to the ubuntu-vm
[20:06] <Cheery> raspbian makes me think of something else more feminine
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[20:07] <smoof> Kripton: am I right in thinking they are already included in the arch image?
[20:07] <RITRedbeard> mmmmm
[20:07] <RITRedbeard> raspbians
[20:07] <RITRedbeard> two raspbians at one time
[20:07] <Kripton> smoof, don't think so. AFAIK there are no webcam-drivers in either image
[20:07] <RITRedbeard> you just need UVC generic driver
[20:08] <RITRedbeard> most webcams should support that mode
[20:08] <RITRedbeard> if not GET RID OFI T
[20:08] <D34TH> ofi?
[20:08] <RITRedbeard> of IT
[20:08] <D34TH> information technology?
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[20:08] <D34TH> :D
[20:08] <RITRedbeard> Yes, those too.
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[20:10] <mkopack> Kripton: Ok, it's DL'ed and I'm unzipping now
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[20:11] <mkopack> And Holy F Parallels 7 does NOt like Ubuntu 12.04
[20:11] <mkopack> ok, now what?
[20:11] <mkopack> just do the DD like I would to the flash card?
[20:11] <mkopack> (or rather SD card)
[20:11] <mkopack> but target the USB HD instead?
[20:12] <Kripton> right
[20:12] <Kripton> under ubuntu, best is to look under /dev/disk/by-id/usb-.....
[20:13] <Kripton> just to make sure you don't overwrite a disk you might not want to be overridden
[20:13] <Kripton> AND you need to modify s.th. on the SD card. you still have one for the Pi?
[20:13] <mkopack> yeah, I just opened up Gparted so I could look at all the devices and see which one is which. Not a problem
[20:13] <mkopack> Kript: yupm, not a problems
[20:14] <Kripton> on the FAT-partition open cmdline.txt and replace /dev/mmcblk0p2 with /dev/sda2
[20:14] <Kripton> after writing the image to the HDD you might want to resize the ext4-partition
[20:14] <Kripton> and that should've been all
[20:14] <Kripton> linux is so easy :D
[20:17] <mkopack> ok, it's writing now...
[20:18] <mkopack> how do I resize that ext4 from the command line? (Since apparently Parallels 7 isn't going to let me click anything inside of a window inside of Ubuntu 12.04??? Jesus this is messed up...)
[20:19] <mkopack> stupid unity crap
[20:20] <shaulkr> mkopack: You start with fdisk -u
[20:20] <shaulkr> That is, fdisk -u /dev/something
[20:20] <shaulkr> p to print the current partition
[20:20] <shaulkr> Write down the start sector, then delete it with d
[20:21] <shaulkr> Then create a new primary partition with n and p, and tell it the start sector is the same as the one you wrote down earlier
[20:21] <mkopack> Won't that blow away the data in that partition though?
[20:21] <shaulkr> Oh, before you begin make sure nothing is mounted from the disk
[20:22] <Kripton> mkopack, no, the data is left untouched
[20:22] <shaulkr> No, it's just the information in the partition table telling the system where it starts and ends
[20:22] <mkopack> ok
[20:22] <Kripton> and shaulkr it should even work with mounted ones. but that is evil :)
[20:22] <shaulkr> Kripton: It would, but then it wouldn't be able to reread the table afterwards without a reboot
[20:22] <Kripton> shaulkr, partprobe?
[20:23] <shaulkr> mkopack: After that it asks you for the size, you need to enter it as "+5G" (no quotes)
[20:23] <Kripton> or how large you want it :)
[20:23] <shaulkr> Kripton: Doesn't work anymore in recent kernels (it stopped working somewhere at 2.6.2x)
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[20:24] <shaulkr> mkopack: After that press p again to see the new table, and make sure the start sector is the same
[20:24] <shaulkr> Then you write the new table with w
[20:24] <mkopack> +5G makes it 5GB size?
[20:24] <shaulkr> You can make a backup of the table before you begin with dd if=/dev/sda of=file bs=512 count=1
[20:24] <shaulkr> yes
[20:25] <Kripton> shaulkr, confirmed, stopped working :(
[20:25] <mkopack> So if I wanted like 75GB I'd do +75G
[20:25] <shaulkr> Yes
[20:25] <shaulkr> After it writes successfully try to mount the partition to make sure it worked
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[20:25] <shaulkr> If it didn't, you can restore the backup with dd if=file of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[20:26] <shaulkr> If it did, you can proceed to resize the filesystem with resize2fs /dev/sda2
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[20:26] <shaulkr> Or whatever the device is
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[20:28] <shaulkr> mkopack: I forgot to say, you do everything in fdisk on the partition you want to resize, of course
[20:28] <shaulkr> That is, if it's /dev/sda2, you delete partition 2 and such
[20:29] <mkopack> right??? think I have it ...
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[20:32] <mkopack> ok, I think it's working
[20:32] <mkopack> thanks guys!
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[20:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Watchdog just rebooted, whee
[20:39] <johang> has anyone tried out the openmax stuff yet?
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[20:42] <Kripton> johang, yep, the demos
[20:42] <Kripton> mkopack, and? FasterPi?
[20:43] <mkopack> So far, hard to tell with Rasbian because it comes so stripped down. Adding some stuff to it now??? But I'll let you know, Def seems to "stutter" less than the debian build did off the RPi
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[20:46] <markus> What's that movie with 10 german nihilists called?
[20:47] <mkopack> I def am going to need to get a couple more portable HD's and a 4 port ENet hub since I need some way to run the Pandaboard as well
[20:47] <mkopack> to Newegg!
[20:47] <chris_99> The Big Lebowski has nihlists in
[20:48] <markus> thanks
[20:48] <chris_99> i don't know if that's the film you mean though
[20:48] <markus> i think i'm going to watch it again
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[20:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think the next step is to make the stats on my website live, using websockets or just json and regular http
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[21:06] <chris_99> i'm guessing omxplayer doesnt support subtitle files
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[21:08] <zgreg> chris_99: right
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[21:08] <zgreg> I wouldn't consider omxplayer a serious media player
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[21:08] <zgreg> it has numerous shortcomings
[21:09] <zgreg> and it's also quite buggy
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[21:11] <Dagger2> do we have a serious media player that works with hardware acceleration? can we even get one?
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[21:14] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Hey hows it going? I think I missed a lot of stuff last night
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[21:16] <Kripton> Dagger2, VLC is supposed to. I've written a question on their forums but they don't seem willing to communicate:
[21:16] <Kripton> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=101149
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[21:18] <Dagger2> I ask for a serious media player and you give me VLC :-)
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[21:18] <teh_orph> Veryevil: very well
[21:18] <Kripton> Dagger2, I like mplayer better but there's just one OpenMAX-path announced somewhere that uses nVidia-specifics
[21:18] <teh_orph> got all my work so far plugged into X
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[21:19] <Kripton> http://kotelett.no/ac100/phh/Android2.1/Multimedia/mplayer.txt
[21:21] <Dagger2> well, if VLC works then at least it must be *possible* to port the code to mplayer2
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[21:25] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Have you had any luck with the DMA driver and the crashes?
[21:25] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: is your pi up?
[21:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery: Yes, I'm just adding realtime system stats to my website
[21:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> My memory bar is the wrong way 'round, DERP :D
[21:26] <teh_orph> Dom helped me out there
[21:26] <teh_orph> he put me in contact with the guy who made the dma controller!
[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Go forth and load my CPU Cheery , it'll help me test :D
[21:27] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Did you get it bast 6?
[21:27] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: don't ask me that. :P
[21:28] <Veryevil> past*
[21:29] <teh_orph> up to 13
[21:29] <Veryevil> sweet ready to tell us the speed?
[21:29] <teh_orph> however there seems to be very little difference
[21:29] <teh_orph> from 5 to 13
[21:29] <teh_orph> I got a pretty easy 2GB/s +
[21:29] <teh_orph> from a potential 3 and a bit
[21:30] <teh_orph> it should be easy to get more by running stuff in paralel
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[21:30] <teh_orph> *parallel
[21:30] <teh_orph> brb
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[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheery: what have you got to run on the Pi today?
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[21:34] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6194&p=80734#p80734
[21:35] <Cheery> just checked that it gives the right result.
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[21:39] <Cheery> Gadgetoid_Air: you don't mind if I install python-pyrex?
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[21:44] <Cheery> nvm
[21:44] <Cheery> I install it anyway
[21:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> No idea what it is :D
[21:44] <Cheery> http://ldots.org/pyrex-guide/2-compiling.html
[21:44] <Cheery> it's a cool thing
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[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Do what you need to do, RAM is getting a bit cosy but you reboot if you need to
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm going to watch some idiotbox and eat my thai takeaway
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[21:50] <teh_orph> yo
[21:50] <teh_orph> Veryevil: yeah just getting rid of the bugs now
[21:50] <teh_orph> and lots and lots of tuning
[21:54] <Veryevil> great. Hows X performance?
[21:55] <teh_orph> some things (eg window dragging) are pretty smooth
[21:55] <teh_orph> some things need a lot of tuning
[21:56] <Veryevil> any speed improvement on a web browser?
[21:56] <teh_orph> I can't install any interesting ones
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[22:05] <Maxxx> Hi
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[22:06] <Maxxx557> Hi
[22:06] <Maxxx557> Anyone here who wants to sell me his Pi for 324$ ?
[22:07] <C4B12> Sure
[22:07] <Maxxx557> You? :D
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[22:08] <C4B12> You know they only cost 30$ in store?
[22:08] <Maxxx557> IF you get one :(
[22:08] <C4B12> I have one
[22:08] <C4B12> :))
[22:08] <Maxxx557> You want to sell it?
[22:09] <C4B12> Maybe
[22:09] <C4B12> Where do you live?
[22:09] <Maxxx557> Where do YOU live? I??m from germany...
[22:10] <C4B12> Sweden
[22:10] <Maxxx557> The problem is the following: I want to design a case and sell it but on the day the registration went online I was in hospital :(
[22:11] <C4B12> Oh
[22:11] <C4B12> Well I have 2 of em
[22:11] <Maxxx557> My offer would be good for people who are in the USA sometimes cause its $323.98 Amazon gift value ...
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[22:12] <C4B12> Hehe
[22:12] <C4B12> Well I can sell it to you, but how should we handle it?
[22:12] <Maxxx557> I got this from a thing a friend bought me in USA and I returned it cause it wasnt working, they gave me the gift value and now I cant use it
[22:13] <Maxxx557> Your in US sometimes?
[22:13] <C4B12> Oh I thought it was money. Sorry but no thanks.
[22:13] <Maxxx557> ok :)
[22:14] <Maxxx557> But I think I will find someone :D
[22:14] <Maxxx557> For people in USA its a good offer :)
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[22:17] <Maxxx557> Hi
[22:17] <popey> hehe
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[22:17] <Maxxx557> Do you want to sell your Pi for 324& ?
[22:17] <Maxxx557> $
[22:18] <popey> sounds dodgy ???
[22:18] * popey hugs his pi..
[22:18] <Maxxx557> Are you from USA?
[22:18] <popey> nope
[22:19] <Maxxx557> Are you sometimes in USA?
[22:19] <popey> yeah, i was there last week
[22:19] <popey> "sunny" oakland
[22:19] <Maxxx557> My offer would be good for people who are in the USA sometimes cause its $323.98 Amazon gift value ...
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[22:19] <Maxxx557> I got this from a thing a friend bought me in USA and I returned it cause it wasnt working, they gave me the gift value and now I cant use it
[22:19] <Mike632T> What are the pros/cons of using a swapfile vs a swap partition on a Pi - how much swap space should I have..?
[22:19] <Maxxx557> Cause Im from germany :(
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[22:20] <popey> Maxxx557: i have used a US$ amazon voucher outside the USA
[22:22] <Maxxx557> So if your in USA you could buy your self a nice Laptop or something other :D
[22:26] <Maxxx557> Are you thinking about it? :D
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[22:30] <friggle> Simon-: absolutely love the work you're doing with device tree
[22:30] <friggle> Simon-: what's your plan for dwc_otg ;)
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[22:33] <Maxxx557> Is someone here who wants to sell me a RaspberryPi for my Amazon.com Account with 323.98$ on it? Im from germany so I cant use it ...
[22:33] <GabrialDestruir> Is selling your amazon account even legal? .-.
[22:34] <Thorn_> then how did you end up with an amazon account with 323.98 dollars in it?
[22:34] <friggle> Maxxx557: you actually could use it for amazon digital downloads if you use a US billing address
[22:34] <Simon-> friggle: I'm hoping someone can come up with an ehci wrapper as previously suggested, since full OTG isn't needed
[22:35] <Simon-> friggle: I tried to get it to use ehci but all it does is register an empty usb hub with no ports or devices...
[22:35] <Maxxx557> I got this from a thing a friend bought me in USA and I returned it cause it wasnt working, they gave me the gift value and now I cant use it
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> Maxxx557: you can't ship to outside the USA?
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[22:35] <friggle> Simon-: ah, interesting idea
[22:35] <Simon-> friggle: but in general once mmc works it can go into mainline and the other stuff can be stuck on until it's fixed
[22:36] <friggle> Simon-: there's s3c-hsotg which is mainline and an instantiation of the same IP, but that's device mode only atm
[22:36] <Simon-> can that be easily modified to support host mode?
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[22:36] <Simon-> why did someone put it in there with device mode only? :/
[22:37] <friggle> Simon-: because that's all Samsung needed. Honestly, they should probably be applauded for bothering. APM tried to get the original dwc_otg upstream and seem to have given up around v15 or so :)
[22:37] <Simon-> trying to remember who APM are...
[22:37] <friggle> Simon-: apm.com
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[22:38] <Simon-> right
[22:38] <friggle> Applied Micro
[22:38] <friggle> Simon-: GregKH said he'd take a look at the Samsung patches...but haven't heard anything http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/61966
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[22:39] <Maxxx557> No one here who wants to sell his Pi :(
[22:40] <RaYmAn> Does that surprise you? ;)
[22:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nobody has any inkling when Pi's will actually be generally available, it'd be too much of a gamble
[22:41] <Maxxx557> @RaYmAn not really :D
[22:41] <RaYmAn> Gadgetoid_Air: tbh, a lot of people will probably be getting two or more, lol
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[22:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> RaYmAn: I could certainly use a second one, to monitor the first one :D
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[22:42] <RaYmAn> I imagine a lot of people ordered both form RS and farnell to ensure getting it as quick as possible :P
[22:42] <Maxxx557> There are many here who have 2 Pi??s and would sell it for 323$ :D
[22:42] <Maxxx557> I think
[22:42] <RaYmAn> probably, lol
[22:43] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... for some reason the Hulu plugin dislikes when I want to pause/play a video
[22:44] <Maxxx557> Or do you know another way to get my Amyzon.com money to paypal or something else ?
[22:44] <western> hey guys, does anyone know if quake1 or enemy territory would work on the rpi?
[22:44] <TopherBrink> quake 1 does but is very very slow in a reasonably sized window
[22:44] <GabrialDestruir> If Quake 3 works I'm assuming Quake 1 would work.
[22:44] <TopherBrink> and has no audio
[22:45] <western> TopherBrink: thanks, could you tell me which engine have you tried?
[22:45] <GabrialDestruir> Needs some optomization then it sounds like?
[22:46] <TopherBrink> i *think* it was fitzquake
[22:47] <western> quake1 requirements were a 90MHz processor and 8Mb of ram...
[22:47] <TopherBrink> no
[22:47] <TopherBrink> tyrquake
[22:47] <TopherBrink> it was literally the only one that compiled and ran
[22:47] <rm> ...in a window? in X?
[22:47] <rm> with the fbdev driver and software rendering?
[22:47] <western> hmm okay, I might try quakespasm then, it's based on sdl
[22:47] <TopherBrink> 900mhz? hardly
[22:47] <rm> 90
[22:48] <TopherBrink> quakespasm wouldnt build as i recall
[22:48] <TopherBrink> 75 for quake
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[22:48] <TopherBrink> i went through virtually every quake engine on arch
[22:49] <TopherBrink> tyrquake was literally the only one that worked.
[22:49] <Thorn_> darkplaces!
[22:49] <Thorn_> with full lightning effects and relief mapping enabled.
[22:49] <Thorn_> and rygels hires texture pack
[22:49] <TopherBrink> ...would not build.
[22:55] <bootc> FrankBuss: not 100% finished, but works: https://github.com/bootc/linux/blob/rpi-i2cspi/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-bcm2708.c
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[22:57] <FrankBuss> bootc: awesome, this was fast, I'll clone your repository and try it
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[22:57] <bootc> :-)
[22:57] <Gadget-Mac> FrankBuss: Works a treat :)
[22:57] <Gadget-Mac> Great work bootc
[22:58] <bootc> I've tested a DS1307 and TMP102 successfully, Gadget-Mac has tested a 1-wire master or three
[22:58] <FrankBuss> nice
[22:58] <FrankBuss> I'll test it with my PCA9555
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> tmp006 wou mean?
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[22:59] <bootc> SpeedEvil: http://www.ti.com/product/tmp102
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Oh - they have another one
[22:59] <bootc> they appear to have loads
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> they just had one IR para couple of months ago
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Oh - that one is in a _much_ easier package
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[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... I can't get the subtitles working properly.
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/tmp006#feature I've got a sample of
[23:02] <bootc> it is? it's tiny - I have it on a SparkFun breakout board to make it usable
[23:02] <bootc> breakout board is barely bigger than my thumbnail
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> I have a ARM - 2*2mm - 16 balls.
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:03] <bootc> wow
[23:04] <bootc> hmm linux i2c appears to have no way of switching clock speeds on the fly
[23:05] <bootc> shame that
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[23:06] <Gadget-Mac> So clock speed is fixed at module load ?
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[23:06] <bootc> some modules appear to do it with platform data
[23:06] <bootc> guess I'll do the same at a later stage - when it goes into DT it can grab it from there
[23:06] <bootc> I'll leave it locked to 100 KHz for my code
[23:07] <Gadget-Mac> Ok.
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[23:08] <FrankBuss> right, e.g. for omap it is a Linux boot parameter
[23:09] <C4B12> Looking around for hours on dealextreme, so many things to buy for the rspi!
[23:09] <FrankBuss> a standard ioctl call would be nice
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[23:14] <wrdx> Hi, could anyone explain why dding a raspeberry pi image to a 16GB class 10 sdcard could be slower than to a 4GB class 4 card?
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[23:15] <bootc> wrdx: same image?
[23:15] <western> have you checked what's the writing speed with dd? I remember I was getting about 4mb/s with a class 4 card
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[23:17] <wrdx> bootc: yup. same image
[23:17] <bootc> crappy card reader? crappy card? :-)
[23:17] <bootc> there is apparently a lot of fake SD cards in the channel :-(
[23:18] <RaYmAn> classes are usually lower limits as well. (and defined on write speed). Some class4 cards are actually faster than other class10's, lol. (unfortunately, manufacturers happily change internal stuff in different productions of the same "model", so you can't really count on it)
[23:18] <wrdx> bootc, western: Kingston 4GB class 4: 4.4MB/s, Kingston Xtreme 16GB class 10: 3.7MB/s, SanDisk Extreme Class 10: 8.3MB/s
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[23:20] <western> wrdx: hmm, I see... I've only tried one class 4 sd card (sandisk micro sd) so far, they said to stay away from class 10...
[23:21] <wrdx> I know, however except the crappy speed on my Kingston, I havent noticed anything.
[23:21] <western> that's good to know :) speed isn't everything lol
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[23:23] <D34TH> sweet i got my rpi emulator to port forward so i can access it
[23:23] <D34TH> putty ftw
[23:24] <western> TopherBrink: I just compiled quakespasm and it all went well (0.85.7)
[23:25] <western> it took 8 minutes to compile it
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[23:29] <wrdx> western: Ahh... the system feels noticeably smoother with the sandisk extreme card :S
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[23:32] <dmsuse> innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnit
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[23:36] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to tell where the slow down in a system is happening?
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> there is a block device statistics framework which may be of use
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> I forget whre it is
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder why openelec doen't play nicely with swapping.
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[23:40] <bootc> GabrialDestruir: you basically never want to swap on the RPi
[23:40] <bootc> the sdhc code wasn't designed with the intention of keeping swap on SD cards
[23:41] <Maxxx557> Anyone from USA here who wants to sell a Pi for 323$ ?
[23:41] <bootc> anyway, it's generally a bad idea to put swap on an average SD card in the first place...
[23:41] <bootc> Maxxx557: surely $314 would be a better number :-)
[23:42] <wrdx> Maxxx557: Why would you pay that much for a RPi?
[23:42] <Maxxx557> I want to design cases for the Pi and then I want to sell them ....
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> No I don't mean like swapspace
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[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> but hardware swapping.
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> Like replacing the keyboard
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[23:43] <Maxxx557> Also I have 323.98$in my Amazon.com Account and I cant use them cause I??m from germany :(
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[23:43] <tech2077> just received my raspberry yesterday
[23:43] <western> hey, after trying to run quake with fb I cannot see anything on composite, but I can still log in with ssh, how can I 'reset' the composite output? (I'd like to avoid rebooting)
[23:43] <GabrialDestruir> Use pre-existing case designs to base your case of of.
[23:44] <Maxxx557> So I thought this might be a great deal for someone from USA
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[23:44] <Maxxx557> No I want to use it also :D
[23:45] <GabrialDestruir> Well the money would be nice, but since I only have one Pi I'll have to decline.
[23:45] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:46] <Maxxx557> I understand .... BUT if you accept you could by a brand new Laptop or Tablet or Smartphone :)
[23:46] <CcSsNET> s/by/buy/
[23:46] <wrdx> Got the same problem. Its just too awsome to sell :)
[23:47] <tech2077> yep
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> True.... but I had to wait 3 months for my Pi and I ordered it the day of release.
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:48] <Maxxx557> Damn I??d have mine if I wasn at hospital on the day of "release" fu** :D
[23:48] <tech2077> yep, and if someone sells now, it's 3 more months of waiting until the august-september batch
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[23:49] <GabrialDestruir> Why exactly can't you use your amazon account?
[23:49] <Byan> western: you can try to restart X
[23:49] <Byan> or kill quake
[23:49] <Maxxx557> Because Im from germany and they dont ship from USA to germany :(
[23:50] <tech2077> anyone know the true limits to the voltage input on the raspberry pi
[23:50] <wrdx> Maxxx557: Have you tried the raspberry pi forums? It appears that there are a few persons who got disappointed when they realized that the whole operating system is in early alpha
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.de/
[23:50] <western> Byan: I was in console, not X :| and I quake probably exited with an error, top doesn't show any cpu activity
[23:50] <Maxxx557> I tried to post 4 hour ago but I have to wait for a mod to aprove ...
[23:50] <tech2077> there seems to be a voltage regulator onboard the pi, is that only for the SOC and can i put in 6v safely
[23:50] <Maxxx557> I have the gift value on amazon.com :(
[23:51] <Byan> western: you might try doing pgrep <name of quake exe>
[23:51] <Byan> see if it's still running
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[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> It's all effectively the same site, if you can login to amazon.de with your account you should be able to use it.
[23:52] <western> Byan: just tried, it's not... I even logged out that user
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[23:52] <Byan> logging out the user won't necessarily kill all it was running >_>
[23:52] <Byan> doing sudo killall -u <user> will though
[23:53] <Byan> I would try to start X and see if it fixes your display
[23:53] <western> I did a sudo pkill -KILL -u user
[23:53] <western> hmm, start x via ssh?
[23:53] <Byan> yes
[23:53] <Byan> and I don't know that pkill can't be used like that..
[23:53] <Byan> but I could be wrong
[23:54] <Byan> oh
[23:54] <Byan> duh
[23:54] <Byan> did you try going alt+ctrl+F3
[23:54] <Byan> or anything
[23:54] <Byan> to switch the TTY?
[23:55] <western> yes, tried that, no luck, still black screen. if I run 'startx' from ssh I get: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir> I can log into my german account from here, no reason you couldn't do the same.
[23:55] <Byan> western: run as sudo
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir> er
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir> My US account from the German Site
[23:55] <Byan> wait, shouldn't be necessary
[23:56] <Byan> hrm
[23:56] <Byan> well, maybe you can make it requried root?
[23:56] <Byan> try running with sudo
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[23:58] <western> hmm, that didn't go well
[23:58] <dmsuse> just got a pi on ebay :D
[23:58] <western> I also note that the rpi keyboard is unresponsive, block-num led won't light up
[23:59] <western> allright, I give up, rebooting...
[23:59] <wrdx> dmsuse: Congrats, what did you have to pay?
[23:59] <dmsuse> 50 with delivery
[23:59] <Byan> thats not that bad
[23:59] <dmsuse> i notice one at 80 auction lol
[23:59] <Byan> 50USD?
[23:59] <dmsuse> gbp
[23:59] <Byan> oh
[23:59] <Byan> ouch

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