#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-05-20

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[0:00] * UnderSampled|tab (~UnderSamp@67.209.22.168) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[0:03] <dmsuse> im so happy :D
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[0:06] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: pwnt :P
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> So will wheaton supports Torrents
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[0:09] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
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[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Will wheaton still exists!?
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[0:12] <wrdx> The Sandisk Extreme card seriously made a difference. Stupid Kingston crap
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[0:18] <tech2077> any class 10 cards with >8MB/s rates work
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[0:18] <tech2077> the elinux wiki suggests the raspi doesn't like high speed class 10 cards
[0:18] <bootc> I2C driver code: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/19/i2c-and-the-raspberry-pi/
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[0:32] <wrdx> Anybody knows anything about arch linux and the framebuffer?
[0:32] <wrdx> Trying to get dosbox working
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[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> Youtube is totally where tv shows are going.
[0:53] * western (5d971f83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.151.31.131) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
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[1:00] * Cheery (~cheery@a88-113-48-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[1:00] <IT_Sean> dmsuse... ??? pwnt? sorry... was afk
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Sheesh, I don't even know where to get started with arm assembly
[1:02] <chris_99> it should be easier than x86
[1:02] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: i got myself a pi and you aint :P
[1:02] <IT_Sean> you bugger
[1:03] <dmsuse> im so happy :D
[1:03] <dmsuse> but don't worry, ill tell you how cool it is :P
[1:05] <Thorn_> about 37C last time i heard
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[1:06] * Revo (~Rich@host86-137-2-118.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[1:06] * AndreaITPN (AndreaITPN@host49-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()
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[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> chris_99: wouldn't know how to get started with x86 assembly either :D
[1:10] <chris_99> why do you want to do ARM assembly?
[1:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> chris_99: curiosity
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> I don't suppose there's a way to check the encoding of a torrent video before I fully download it?
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> So I'm not downloading something the Pi can't play?
[1:11] <chris_99> aha Gadgetoid_Air
[1:11] <chris_99> try running omxplayer on it GabrialDestruir
[1:11] <chris_99> that should tell you the codec
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[1:20] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)
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[1:27] <koda> nioght
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[1:40] <IT_Sean> 'cpear
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[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I need to invest in a dvd player for my Pi
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[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently I've gone and lost the special cord for my external dvd drive I have lying around.
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[2:17] <ReggieUK> soldering iron and hookup wire then?
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[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> It was just a microUSB wire, but it was made to have a second power input.
[2:21] <RITRedbeard> Are the raspberry pi's you guys receving actually credit card sized?
[2:21] <trevorman> no
[2:22] <RITRedbeard> No?
[2:22] <trevorman> well
[2:22] <trevorman> very close to
[2:22] <trevorman> I thought it was bigger but I'm wrong
[2:22] <trevorman> change my answer to "yes" but it does have some overhand with the USB sockets and SD card
[2:22] <trevorman> overhang
[2:22] <RITRedbeard> I'm thinking about soldering off the composite and other big connectors
[2:22] <RITRedbeard> discounting depth
[2:23] <trevorman> the SD card sticks out
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> you could probably make an extrusion with a harness style data cable
[2:23] <RITRedbeard> so making a tin case for it is probably realistic that is about the same thickness as smartphone
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[2:24] <trevorman> why don't you just cut holes for the ports?
[2:24] <RITRedbeard> too thick
[2:25] <trevorman> too thick? the case material?
[2:25] <RITRedbeard> yeah the RJ45 and the composite are thicker than contemporary smartphone thickness
[2:26] <trevorman> you're going to lose the USB, composite, headphone and network socket then
[2:27] <trevorman> if you remove the ethernet socket then you're going to have to add magnetics yourself
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[2:28] <RITRedbeard> The magnetic is only for the ethernet
[2:28] <RITRedbeard> and the transformer is on hand and inexpensive
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[2:29] <RITRedbeard> only interested in wireless eth
[2:29] <Simon-> the SD card is easily solved
[2:29] <Simon-> replace it with micro SD
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> yeah SD to microSD thinger
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> love those things
[2:29] <Simon-> replace the whole socket
[2:29] <trevorman> ^
[2:29] <Simon-> unless someone somewhere makes a half size adapter
[2:30] <trevorman> just cut a slot in it. not being able to remove the card is going to get annoying during development
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> the harness or adapter should be fine
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> without those tall connectors it should be nearly as thick as iphone
[2:31] <trevorman> what you trying to make?
[2:32] <RITRedbeard> Pocket Pi
[2:32] <trevorman> battery powered?
[2:33] <RITRedbeard> yeah but apparently I've heard from a few people in here that Pi won't boot and has peak draw over 700mA
[2:34] <FrankBuss> bootc: I've compiled your kernel, but it says "mmc0: problem reading SD Status register" and "error -110 whilst initialising SD card" when booting
[2:34] <FrankBuss> copying the old kernel on the SD card FAT partition and it is working again, so the SD card is ok
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[2:36] <RITRedbeard> commerical batteries that are switchmode output 600mA
[2:36] <RITRedbeard> the 5VDC ones
[2:38] <RITRedbeard> but I can dream.
[2:38] <RITRedbeard> I'm also experimenting with a few other platforms
[2:40] <RITRedbeard> Pi's power problems might be mitigated by drop in linear ps drop ins
[2:40] <FrankBuss> bootc: my working kernel was forked from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux , maybe some bugfixes are missing in your version
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> I need to invest in some 1 width legos to properly do a lego case like on the site .-.
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[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> It seems odd that the lego builder doesn't allow for custom brick sizes
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> Does a lego case still count if it's not using official lego pieces? -.-
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[4:13] <tech2077> GabrialDestruir, no
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[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I had high res images of this boyscout lego case, it'd make this so much easier. lol
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[5:32] <jamesglanville> 3d printer case anyone? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270981352572?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> I'm busy trying to lego design a case instead :p
[5:35] <jamesglanville> GabrialDestruir: *grumble* mine is all cool and stuff :P
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[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> It isn't easy trying to build this case without custom parts .-.
[5:35] <jamesglanville> GabrialDestruir: I can print lego parts if you need them?
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to stick to official lego parts :p
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> Though I have to admit.
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sorely tempted. xD
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[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> I'm done I think xD
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[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> Assuming the dimensions on my Lego build is right.
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> It's only a $15.30 case.
[7:07] <GabrialDestruir> Though some of the pieces are the wrong color xD
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[7:34] <slo> but if its Lego, its still a Win..
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[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> Ha Got it all the same color with structural stability, all for 16.25
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if which route I should go on this...
[7:43] <GabrialDestruir> The whole "here's it for free hope ya donate" route, or the ebay "Buy it from me or you don't get it" route
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[7:52] <GabrialDestruir> Needs a little more tweaking to prevent it from sliding around but I've almost got it xD
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[10:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Does anyone else get weird characters pop-up in vim whilst SSH'd into the Pi, going into edit mode and hitting the right arrow?
[10:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or up/down
[10:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Get ^[OA ^[OB, presumably it's sending me something that OSX Terminal doesn't like
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[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[10:33] <GabrialDestruir> Also I think I'm done building the lego case from the front page, I ordered the parts earlier so in a few days I should be rocking a nice little case.
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> haha osx terminal
[10:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: did you hit brickshelf and get 'em all in the right colours?
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> probably that's the problem
[10:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd: yeah, it's given me??? interesting??? problems before
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:34] <fragalot> this is so unfair
[10:34] <tntexplosivesltd> Is it vi or vim?
[10:34] <fragalot> a friend of mine just bought this 2nd pi while I haven't even had the chance to get one
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Bought em from Lego
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[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> and with a few changes was able to get all the same color
[10:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I built myself a vertical macbook stand out of lego, 'cos HengeDocks are expensive
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Though I am a bit worried about some of my design choices.
[10:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Trouble with lego is it's unlikely to provide any port reinforcement
[10:36] <GabrialDestruir> port reinforcement?
[10:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, nothing supporting the ports
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> True.
[10:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> They need all the plastic flanges they can get to relieve any stress on them, just in case
[10:38] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: is it vi or vim?
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> The parts I'm worried about is where I have the legos actually out over the board.
[10:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd: vim
[10:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> why are you worried about that GabrialDestruir? heat?
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[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: are you 100% sure?
[10:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd: It's a pretty pimped out vi, if it's vi
[10:39] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> Like I have a 1x3 in between the uhm
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir> component and the GPIO pins
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[10:40] <GabrialDestruir> and one is over the the power port and another over the lights, it should be an issue, but if you try to force the pi out the one between the component and GPIO could do some damage I think .-.
[10:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Interesting, the problems don't go away in iTerm2
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir> But without that there the board was sliding around and the one over the power port was pushing against the capacitor thing right there.
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[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: try a linux box
[10:42] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[10:44] <GabrialDestruir> Well
[10:44] <GabrialDestruir> Glee just went off and destroyed another song. xD
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[10:47] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: your fault for watching it =D
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[10:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also only happens if I hold down an arrow key, hmm
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[10:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ah tab complete fail
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> GabrialDestruir: your fault for watching it =D
[10:51] <tntexplosivesltd> there
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[10:55] <GabrialDestruir> They took that song the rain in spain etc etc
[10:55] <GabrialDestruir> and turned it into a stupid rock song...
[10:55] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't know what you are talking about
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir> It's from my fair lady
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[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> I want a case for my Pi that redirects all the ports to one side.
[11:03] <Ben64> i'll sell you one for $100
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[11:03] <GabrialDestruir> Pssh
[11:03] <GabrialDestruir> I could probably build one for cheaper xD
[11:03] <Ben64> that was my thinking
[11:03] <Ben64> :D
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> I just need to figure out the best way to do it.
[11:04] <Ben64> extension cables
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[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> GabrialDestruir: need some right-angle adapters
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's what I was thinking.
[11:06] <tntexplosivesltd> cascade 2 of them =P
[11:07] <GabrialDestruir> To keep it all nice and small.
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[11:07] <Ben64> put all the ports on the top or something?
[11:07] <GabrialDestruir> That could work.
[11:07] <GabrialDestruir> Or a vertical case with them all in back.
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[11:09] <GabrialDestruir> Or run them all out the bottom and cut holes into the table -nods-
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[11:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> I tracked it down to the GitBranch function in vim ultimate vimrc
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[11:17] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: can you give me the url to your pi again?
[11:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cos it was running a system call that the Pi presumably couldn't keep up with
[11:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: rpi.dnsd.me
[11:17] <markus> i'm interested to know about the blogging software you were using
[11:17] <markus> thanks
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[11:18] <gurgalof> you are running low of memory Gadgetoid_Air
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[11:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> gurgalof: I think Ruby ate it all when I added realtime system stats
[11:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's all memcached anyway
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[11:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> I might reboot to reclaim that
[11:19] <markus> How can i make my blog memcached? :)
[11:20] <tntexplosivesltd> oh god ruby?
[11:20] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[11:20] <markus> i would like to setup a python based one but maybe i'll try something ruby based
[11:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd ??? don't say it??? don't say Ruby is slow!
[11:20] <gurgalof> i've seen someone using a webpage written in bash
[11:20] <markus> Is python faster?
[11:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: it was surprisingly easy, I'll put up a code snippet showing my absurdly short memcached function
[11:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ruby is SLOW, really??? really??? slow
[11:21] <markus> there is pypy and so on
[11:21] <markus> yes but does it matter?
[11:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nope, it doesn't
[11:21] <markus> i slow slowness :)
[11:21] <markus> s/slow/like/
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not a day-job Ruby programmer, but I went to a dev conference in London and *everyone* there was a Rubyist
[11:22] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: you're soon running out of memory, are you?
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: I'm considering adding a reboot command to the website :D
[11:22] <markus> what's so great about ruby. i like python.
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ruby is just popular at the moment, which makes it nice to get into??? and it's a syntactically lovely language too
[11:22] <markus> "Is the website slow? Press the [Reboot] button"
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[11:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah I might not allow public access :D
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[11:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Anyway, to cache a section of page output I wrap it in cache( 'cache_key', time_seconds) do / STUFF / end
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[11:25] <markus> It???s elsif instead of elif.
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> http://solidworksbootcamp.com/raspberry-pi-board-b-enclosure/
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> I have to say...
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> I really like that design.
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> But it'd be cooler if it had like.... a built in touchscreen sort of scifi scanner style
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[11:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: added a caching example
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I love that design, but it's horribly impractical for any hackery
[11:35] <GabrialDestruir> True.. but so are most of the cases.
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: yeah, that seems to be a theme??? damn xbmx users, aaahhhrrrr
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> xbmc*
[11:35] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using mine with XBMC xD
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir> But I'm curious how many inputs the Pi could handle and process....
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[11:36] <GabrialDestruir> Build something http://www.tricorderproject.org/tricorder-mark2.html
[11:37] <GabrialDestruir> like that or similar with the Pi as a basis...
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[11:38] <GabrialDestruir> It doesn't seem the stats for that one are that high.... and looks to me that the Pi is significantly more powerful.
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[11:40] <GabrialDestruir> Could probably use the GPIO for all the sensors...
[11:42] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: i like the css on the page but it's a bit hard to see on my lcd screen which is very poor
[11:43] <dmsuse> i want the pi to use as an amp meter, measure the readigns from a shunt also a voltage meter :P
[11:44] <markus> if i type xgamma -gamma 0.5 i can see that there is a background pattern
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[11:45] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: what webserver are you using?
[11:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: something called "Thin", although with Sinatra I think you can just run the Ruby file directly and it'll serve requests??? it just wont be very robust
[11:47] <GabrialDestruir> Who web serving pi are we playing with?
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[11:48] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: so it uses rack then?
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[11:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: I'm not entirely sure what Thin is or does :D
[11:48] <markus> it should be something similar to wsgi i think. but for ruby instead of python
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, Sinatra Reloader is failing me again, not reloading the app properly when I add new routes
[11:49] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: how did you get that fancy template/css thingy? you didn't create it yourself, did you?
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[11:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: It's Bootstrap CSS from Twitter
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[11:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/index.html
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[11:52] <markus> i thought that was more of a library or something to create templates
[11:52] <Blade[L]> anyone got rasbmc beta running?
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[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't seen any actual builds of it.
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[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/04/26/announcing-the-adafruit-prototyping-pi-plate-kit-for-raspberry-pi/
[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> That actually looks like a cool way to get into all the electronics side of things.
[12:12] <GabrialDestruir> All nice and convenient like and portable
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[12:30] <Javafant__> Hi anybody can tell me how to change the framebuffer resolution on the rasperrypi? I'm using the archlinux image and my monitor has a resolution of 1440x900 so the right and the left side are cut off.
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[12:35] <GabrialDestruir> use /boot/config.txt
[12:35] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> framebuffer_width console framebuffer width in pixels. Default matches display. framebuffer_height console framebuffer height in pixels. Default matches display.
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> specifically
[12:37] <Javafant__> thx this is what I was searching for
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[12:42] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: i get it. prettify is googles thing for syntax highlighting. the rest is your custom built layout
[12:42] <markus> my html pages always look so 90s.
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: Wouldn't call it custom built, it's heavily assisted by Bootstrap CSS
[12:42] <markus> i use no css :)
[12:43] <markus> Gadgetoid_Air: but the html page, is that made from a template that you have not created? i'm not referring to the css template
[12:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: yeah, I threw together the HTML
[12:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> But the layout is largely driven by Bootstrap's grid system
[12:45] <crnd> just checked the config file page, does rpi really support 2560x1600@60Hz?
[12:46] <crnd> through hdmi
[12:46] <markus> so i'm planning to host a little blog/webpage on my cubox. here's the plan: 1. find a logo 2. integrate http://zine.pocoo.org/ + a web browser 3. make it use bootstrap
[12:46] <mjr> sounds unlikely, but duck if I know
[12:47] <markus> i meant web server that hosts pages.
[12:47] <mjr> too bad my 2560x1600 monitor only does dual-link dvi or dp anyway
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[12:48] <crnd> yeah mine also has just duallink dvi but i was just curious. iirc zr30w also had hdmi
[12:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've now got a rebooter, which shows a progress bar and reloads the homepage when it's done :D
[12:49] <mjr> I have a zr30w. No, it's only dl-dvi/dp
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[12:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's cool to see my CPU load spike in the realtime stats then settle back down, heeee
[12:50] <mjr> one of the reasons it's so (relatively) cheap, not every kind of connectivity
[12:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> mjr: cheap, display port? waah!?
[12:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, relatively :D
[12:51] <crnd> oh, too bad. i wonder if there even was a 30 inch display with hdmi then :P
[12:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ever since the 27" iMac, I've wanted a 2560x1600 display for my workstation
[12:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Going from my iMac at home, to my laptop at work is painful
[12:52] * mjr checked around and noticed that the zr30w actually has two hubbed USBs in the back in addition to the two in the side. Hey, that's convenient for some of my stuff!
[12:52] <crnd> ha! dell had one with hdmi
[12:52] <mjr> Gadgetoid_Air, yeah, in the category of 30" 2560x1600 monitors :)
[12:53] <mjr> oh well, I've got an 1920x1200 for the pi anyways
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[12:54] <crnd> ...i still haven't even got my pi :\
[12:55] <mjr> crnd, yeah me neither ;)
[12:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Takes about 80sec to reboot the Pi and get the website back up and running
[12:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not bad for an SD card
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[13:07] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: what class?
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[13:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd: I think it's a 6
[13:08] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: and what distro?
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> debian
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> regular version
[13:08] <tntexplosivesltd> web server?
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> actual reboot is less, the Thin server takes a little while to start
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[13:09] <tntexplosivesltd> why did you choose thin?
[13:10] <tntexplosivesltd> it looks pretty terrible, being ruby and all
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[13:16] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: you could give lighttpd a go =)
[13:17] <tntexplosivesltd> I've always found it pretty fast and lightweight
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[13:46] <markus> i prefer displayport over hdmi and dvi
[13:46] <markus> i like the connector more, it feels robust and easy
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[13:47] <Guest60101> Anybody had luck with sound on Quake3 with the RPi?
[13:48] <Guest60101> I notice that there is no openal sound library in the lib folder
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[14:18] <chris_99> where do you get Quake from?
[14:18] <johang> I'm guessing here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[14:20] <Guest60101> chris_99: http://radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip
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[14:20] <chris_99> cheers :)
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[14:20] <chris_99> something to play with this afternoon
[14:20] <kvarley> =]
[14:20] <kvarley> There is no sound as of yet
[14:20] <chris_99> oh darn :(
[14:20] <kvarley> The foundation seems to think it may be floating-point library related which is also causing lower fps than expected
[14:21] <kvarley> I think it may just be a case of libraries not working
[14:21] <kvarley> I'm gonna have a play around
[14:21] <kvarley> I got the True Combat mod running
[14:21] <kvarley> But it has very low fps
[14:21] <kvarley> If that ran well, it'd make for a good lan party =]
[14:21] <D34TH> ^
[14:21] <D34TH> tons of setups
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[14:22] <D34TH> 100 mbit links
[14:22] <D34TH> endless fun
[14:22] <D34TH> 0 ping for everyone :D
[14:22] <kvarley> =]
[14:22] <D34TH> depending on if the pi was hosting the server
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[14:23] <kvarley> I was expecting to host a dedicated server anyway
[14:23] <kvarley> It's remarkable that it can run Quake3
[14:23] <kvarley> If it gets optimised I may just make it my summer project to make a mod for the Q3 engine
[14:23] <kvarley> Or at least, build upon True Combat
[14:24] <D34TH> heh
[14:24] <D34TH> False Combat
[14:24] <D34TH> :3
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[14:26] <kvarley> hehe
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[15:40] <ReggieUK> it's a bit quiet in here today?
[15:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've been isolating myself and burying my head in assembly tutorials
[15:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've written code that does stuff, I just don't know how it does it
[15:42] <ReggieUK> I try not to learn about assembly if I can help it
[15:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, that's a good plan
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[15:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> We're in danger, though, of losing all the people who know this stuff
[15:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Eventually we'll be surrounded by high technology we perceive as magic, and know nothing about the inner workings of??? if we're not already
[15:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have my assembly code adding the numbers 1 to 11 and returning them as an exit code
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[15:48] <Dagger2> that seems to be the goal
[15:48] <Dagger2> e.g. see Apple's products, which are specifically designed to keep the user out of the internal workings regardless of what the user wants
[15:49] <Dagger2> (sure, there's a set of people at Apple that can see and affect how they work, but it's a small in-group and thus irrelevant)
[15:49] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[15:50] <tntexplosivesltd> That is the unfortunate truth
[15:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woah, what happened to the RPi forums? They've been??? categorised
[15:50] <dmsuse> its much better
[15:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Dagger2: that's what I *like* about Apple products :D
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> I like the fact that my iPad is basically just a magic box that invariably works and is always instantly available
[15:51] <tntexplosivesltd> Then we are lost
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> But that doesn't mean I don't care how things work
[15:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> The real problem we have in education at the moment is that the barrier to entry is too high, computers have outgrown most mere mortals ability to comprehend them
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> not really
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> they can be simplified
[15:52] <Dagger2> Gadgetoid_Air: and I don't think that's a bad thing, as such. but you shouldn't lock the user out if that's not what the user wants (that /is/ a bad thing)
[15:53] <jmontleon> ya, got to call BS on that one
[15:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> tntexplosivesltd: the problem is that they are not inherently simplified, nobody sits down in front of a computer and punches BASIC straight into the initial prompt anymore
[15:53] <jmontleon> the only thing they have outgrown is shortened attention spans
[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> Gadgetoid_Air: that doesn't matter
[15:54] <jmontleon> if people would (and some do...) apply themselves great things happen
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[15:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Good luck changing people :D
[15:54] <tntexplosivesltd> you can simplify the concept of how a computer works very easily
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[15:54] <tntexplosivesltd> and build from there
[15:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> If it's so easy to make people understand computers and provide computing education, then why are we running out of programmers?
[15:55] <tntexplosivesltd> because we have an abundance of IT support guys
[15:55] <tntexplosivesltd> understanding computers != programming
[15:56] <tntexplosivesltd> it's easy to understand computers, but it's harder to actually program them
[15:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> I.T. guys no more understand computers than they do the molecular structure of lego bricks :D
[15:57] <tntexplosivesltd> In all seriousness, programming isn't the same as understanding a computer
[15:57] <tntexplosivesltd> there is a lack of programming being taught
[15:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Truth
[15:57] <tntexplosivesltd> and that's what is trying to be addresses
[15:57] <tntexplosivesltd> * addressed
[15:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Perhaps programming will lead to folks who delve deeper, but it's all disturbingly high-level these days??? there will surely be a point where understanding of the low-level stuff all but ceases
[15:58] <tntexplosivesltd> then we'll all be in trouble
[16:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't think it's impossible!??? it may already have happened :D
[16:01] <tntexplosivesltd> nah
[16:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> And with that, I submit my new creation theory: we built the universe, but the folks who did it died eons ago and the rest of us were too lazy to figure out how it works
[16:01] <tntexplosivesltd> a few of us still know C
[16:01] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
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[16:02] <Javafant__> anybody can help a noob getting owncloud running on the rpi? I get the following error "PHP module GD is not installed."
[16:02] <tntexplosivesltd> it's all hacked together HTML and perl
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[16:02] <Javafant__> ah I think I found the solutino
[16:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm staring at these "add" and "subs" lines trying to figure out exactly what they're doing
[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> Javafant__: so you'll just have to go ahead and change your nick, we don't like Java around here...
[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[16:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Might help me if I could find which order the arguments are in :D
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[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> Javafant__: probably need to install the PHP GD module
[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> =D
[16:03] <Assemblyfant> tntexplosivesltd: better now?
[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> perfect
[16:03] <tntexplosivesltd> XD
[16:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Seems to be adding the sum of register 0 and register 1, then storing it in register 0
[16:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahh??? the "subs" is a subtract??? I was reading it as "substitute"
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[16:05] <tntexplosivesltd> hahahaha
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[16:10] <tntexplosivesltd> Assemblyfant: did you fix it?
[16:10] <Assemblyfant> tntexplosivesltd: yes. now I'm trying to tell owncloud it should use sqlite instead of mysql =)
[16:10] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[16:10] <tntexplosivesltd> good
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[16:12] <tntexplosivesltd> sqlite >> mysql
[16:12] <Assemblyfant> =)
[16:14] <markus> There should be a KDE desktop with gnome applications.
[16:14] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[16:14] <tntexplosivesltd> D:
[16:14] <Assemblyfant> markus: just install gnome apps on kde?
[16:15] <markus> it's not that well integrated
[16:15] <Assemblyfant> I use kde & gtk apps with awesome wm =)
[16:15] <markus> i run kubuntu now. the netbook thingy but it seems just like the regular kde experience
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> I am a appalled
[16:16] <markus> maybe i didnt install plasma
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> awesome, desecrated with KDE?
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> You sicken me
[16:16] <Assemblyfant> hm the aur package for php-sqlite3 failes because of an 404 error
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[16:16] <markus> What's wrong with kde except that it's bloated? It's kinda polished compared to the alternatives
[16:16] <markus> and you can configure it in more than 1 way
[16:17] <markus> alternatives = xfce, lxde, gnome shell, cinnamon, unity
[16:17] <tntexplosivesltd> bloated is the worst drawback
[16:17] <Assemblyfant> tntexplosivesltd: the only kde app I use is clementine
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[16:18] <markus> i had to set a limit otherwise awesome would have won
[16:18] <markus> purely by its name
[16:18] <tntexplosivesltd> but it is awesome
[16:19] <markus> i used fluxbox and blackbox many years ago. i want that full desktop environment experience
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[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> ???_???
[16:19] <markus> and i don't want to configure more than the background before i can use it
[16:19] <markus> of course it should allow me to configure it if i wanted to
[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> of course
[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> so you use ubuntu?
[16:20] <markus> yes. do you have any other suggestions? i'm quite open
[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> which is a bitch to configure?
[16:20] <markus> i use archlinux arm on my arm machine
[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> good
[16:20] <Assemblyfant> archlinux is awesome but you have to configure it =)
[16:20] <Assemblyfant> and archlinux with awesome wm is even more awesome
[16:20] <tntexplosivesltd> that's the idea of it =)
[16:20] <markus> i don't use it as a desktop machine though
[16:20] * chnopsx will run gentoo on his rpi, for science!
[16:21] <markus> for scince! :D
[16:21] <tntexplosivesltd> I didn't like the "un-linux"ness of ubuntu
[16:21] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: could you elaborate? :)
[16:21] <tntexplosivesltd> everything is done its own way, not the "standard" linux way
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> I couldn't even make a .xinitrc and have it execute
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> it's just so obfuscated
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> but that's coming from arch, so ymmv
[16:22] <Assemblyfant> still ubuntu is definitly the best distro for beginners
[16:22] <markus> i don't like what ubuntu have done with the desktop, changed the way right clicking on the notificaiton area etc..
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: I don't really use a mouse =D
[16:23] <tntexplosivesltd> but I agree, unity is a steaming pile
[16:23] <Assemblyfant> I only need a mouse for gaming
[16:23] <tntexplosivesltd> Assemblyfant: I started on arch as a beginner
[16:24] <tntexplosivesltd> the learning curve was pretty big, but I learnt fast
[16:24] <Assemblyfant> =) still it's much easier to start with ubuntu especially if you come from windows.
[16:24] <tntexplosivesltd> so I found it easier overall to get my own system running my own way =)
[16:25] <markus> i just found out that the key on the laptop that should lower the volume doesn't work. i'm on a caf??
[16:25] <tntexplosivesltd> =(
[16:25] * markus started firefox with a tab playing 90s megamix music
[16:26] <tntexplosivesltd> but yeah, going from arch to having to use ubuntu at work was pretty painful
[16:26] <Assemblyfant> hm owncloud installed without errors but it looks like crap
[16:27] <markus> Assemblyfant: is it possible to have owncloud server files that i have not uploaded through owncloud?
[16:27] <tntexplosivesltd> I ended up cobbling together my own dwm environment and a pseudo-xinitrc
[16:27] <markus> i would like to share some files to friends and a web interface would be good. but i already have the files on a harddrive
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[16:28] <Assemblyfant> markus: actually I'm not an owncloud expert myself but it should be possible to symlink them to the owncloud data directory.
[16:28] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: what arm machine do you have with arch on it?
[16:28] <tntexplosivesltd> Assemblyfant: could you just put them into the directory?
[16:29] <tntexplosivesltd> or would the database crap be missing?
[16:29] <Assemblyfant> tntexplosivesltd: as far as I remember it worked fine for me when I tried it some months ago.
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[16:30] <tntexplosivesltd> neat
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[16:30] <Assemblyfant> anybody has an idea what could cause owncloud to look like this http://i.imgur.com/ftZWP.png?
[16:31] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[16:32] <markus> i started using slackware more than 10 years ago and a friend of mine put me in front of an advanced install where i had to select every package without having any idea what they were for
[16:32] <markus> i had only tried red hat once or twice before
[16:33] <markus> he was kind and created an alias "olkinstall" = ./configure && make && make install, for me
[16:33] <markus> so i only had to learn how to download a tarball and tar :)
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[16:36] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[16:36] <tntexplosivesltd> I prefer package management
[16:36] <tntexplosivesltd> it's so awesome
[16:36] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[16:37] <markus> there was a command for that. i could create package on the fly irc
[16:37] <markus> or something
[16:37] <ccssnet> tntexplosivesltd
[16:37] <tntexplosivesltd> mhm
[16:37] <ccssnet> interesting nick
[16:37] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: that looks cool
[16:37] <tntexplosivesltd> ccssnet: lol
[16:38] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: I'm using a zipit z2
[16:38] <tntexplosivesltd> running arch arm of course =3
[16:39] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: what is that?
[16:39] <ccssnet> nice a zipit z2
[16:39] <ccssnet> i almost got one... but got an open pandora instead
[16:39] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_wireless_messenger_%28Z2%29
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[16:39] <tntexplosivesltd> ccssnet: heh, when are they sending it?
[16:40] <ccssnet> im typing from it
[16:40] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh, cool
[16:40] <ccssnet> first batch
[16:40] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
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[16:41] <ccssnet> probably going to go up in value, limited, has design flaws, but useable
[16:41] <tntexplosivesltd> design flaws?
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[16:41] <tntexplosivesltd> like what?
[16:41] <ccssnet> ya check the site for more info
[16:42] <ccssnet> but most notable to me is Fn key bugs
[16:42] <ceti331_> Whats the most convininet eay to connect a raspberry pi to a tv , regarding power .... If one eants
[16:42] <ceti331_> If one wants minimal cabling
[16:42] <ccssnet> which is possibly just software
[16:43] <Assemblyfant> ceti331_: hdmi
[16:43] <ccssnet> ceti331_: hdmi has wireless options now
[16:43] <ccssnet> would be more money though
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[16:43] <tntexplosivesltd> wasn't the problem regarding power?
[16:44] <ceti331_> Do you mean the hdmi an power the raspberry pi itself from the tv
[16:44] <tntexplosivesltd> no =(
[16:44] <tntexplosivesltd> you'd need a multibox by the tv
[16:44] <tntexplosivesltd> and a power supply right there
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[16:45] <tntexplosivesltd> wow, 2:44am
[16:45] <tntexplosivesltd> bed time
[16:45] <ccssnet> 12am here
[16:46] <ceti331_> So can you get something fairly neat.. One kettle lead going from mains to this small box, which then powers the rpi and the tv... Any specific boxes recomended
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[16:47] <a7x> did someone actually thinked about keeping the rpi running with batteries?
[16:47] <ccssnet> a7x: sounds inefecient
[16:47] <ceti331_> You need to keep recharging, but, i would consider it from a cables perspective if it was convinient
[16:47] <tntexplosivesltd> ceti331_: it's called a multibox
[16:47] <ceti331_> Ok.
[16:48] <ceti331_> Let me google..
[16:48] <a7x> well if someone needs it that way ccssnet, ceti331_... not everybody needs it as mediacenter :)
[16:48] <tntexplosivesltd> ceti331_: http://partyhireauckland.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Multi-Box-4-Socket.jpg
[16:48] <ccssnet> well ya
[16:48] <Assemblyfant> a7x: there was a tweet about it yesterday
[16:48] <nacimep> i remember talk a long time ago about solar and battery bank but it was ridiculous even at optimal solar conditions
[16:49] <ceti331_> What i have in mind is an rpi driving another monitor, networked to main pc.. Synergy
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[16:49] <ceti331_> I am sure people would have done that :)
[16:49] <tntexplosivesltd> ceti331_: yes that's entirely possible
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[16:49] <a7x> i actually found a way to keep rpi working for 5hours with batteries
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[16:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ceti331_: what's the problem you're having
[16:50] <ceti331_> as close as possible to turning the monitor into a all in one
[16:50] <ceti331_> i dont have any of this kit yet
[16:50] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, I see
[16:50] <ceti331_> Ordering an rpi would be the first step
[16:50] <ceti331_> :)
[16:51] <a7x> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1422833.pdf 5 of this plus a buck boost converter
[16:51] <a7x> will keep it up for hours :)
[16:51] <ceti331_> talking to peeps who may have setup what i have in mind helps me with purchase decision... However is there a wait on getting them delivered??
[16:52] <nacimep> whats usb like 5v@500mA
[16:52] <a7x> actually rpi model b works @ 700mA maximum
[16:53] <ceti331_> Are there any tegra 3 arm boxes
[16:53] <a7x> :\ dunno
[16:53] <ceti331_> I think i would still get an rpi
[16:53] <nacimep> well usb versions but i believe usb1 is 500mA
[16:54] <ceti331_> i gather tegra 3 phones plugged in wont drive 1920 x 1080 natively except for video
[16:54] <ceti331_> They just upscale
[16:54] <tntexplosivesltd> ceti331_: well we were playing around with a TDMS to LVDS board, to interface directly to an LDC panel
[16:54] <ceti331_> Whats the acronyms there
[16:55] <tntexplosivesltd> TDMS - what comes out of HDMI and DVI
[16:55] <tntexplosivesltd> LVDX = what goes into the actual LCD panel in a screen
[16:55] <ceti331_> ah
[16:55] <tntexplosivesltd> * LVDS
[16:55] <mjr> nacimep, that's the maximum in-spec current for usb 1 and 2 (though ports are allowed to be only 100mA too). USB 3 maximum is 900mA (min. 150mA). Then there are charging port specs that allow more...
[16:55] <ceti331_> So skipping the cabling ?
[16:56] <ceti331_> i have some ancient laptop screens which are about to be binned
[16:56] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah, and being able to make a screen with an r-pi in it
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[16:56] <tntexplosivesltd> but we had a few problems with the backlight needing 12V
[16:56] <tntexplosivesltd> and everything else using 5
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[16:57] <markus> Do you think Exibel USB Charger will work? Takes 4xAA batteries and output is 5V 1A
[16:57] <markus> With aspberry pi that is
[16:57] <MattPurland> should work fine
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[16:57] <MattPurland> won't last long, mind
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> we also had problems with the EDID
[16:57] <nacimep> heh
[16:57] <tntexplosivesltd> which was very odd =(
[16:58] <tntexplosivesltd> should really get back to that, see what we can do
[16:58] <markus> MattPurland: do you have any idea how long it will last if i play quake3? :)
[16:58] <MattPurland> all depends what AAs you put in it
[16:58] <Assemblyfant> markus: I though one aa batterie would be 1,5V so 4 would be 6V and rasperrypi twittert that this could shorten the lifttime of the chip
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[16:58] <tntexplosivesltd> Assemblyfant: ??
[16:58] <MattPurland> Assemblyfant: more than likely it regulates the voltage
[16:58] <tntexplosivesltd> definitely
[16:58] <markus> Assemblyfant: https://d25d5648-a-c4d34e25-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/parkus.se/parkus-se/home/exibelusbemergencycharger/image8.png?attachauth=ANoY7cq5T4AGRf7iNcXRbojamKm--cfHe8XKa_gXlkmUxl99UjjWLxIzyyR-S0vbG4GeVT9_thZuVeQq1jZRdBCPjVcTRkytmhrHR5oMISNpKNfRfcVN_mhv1LMGwPIGH6D9qlEi4900_Cp0yWKV8fuWj-l-51Nq_IGussXBqZROwHKLIigSNBrtCsEPFBHkXmLURefKUtYCjrklqBLe6wBw7C0mAxlGhSrWTqD7DFk-dTo_e2IqYs3_wYzq5WRCn34b-AqdssT1&attredirects=0
[16:59] <nacimep> the problem is the capacity
[16:59] <Assemblyfant> I try to find the place where I got the information
[16:59] <tntexplosivesltd> oh god
[16:59] <nacimep> kill the batteries in minutes
[16:59] <nacimep> if even
[16:59] <markus> did you get my session in the url? :D
[16:59] <markus> why is it so long
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[17:00] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: we can hack you now
[17:00] <tntexplosivesltd> we own your information
[17:00] <tntexplosivesltd> ooh, right, bed time for real now
[17:00] <tntexplosivesltd> damn you guys
[17:00] <tntexplosivesltd> night all
[17:00] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: w8
[17:00] <ceti331_> One combination that might be fun is a rpi , plus batteries, plus laptop harddrive, and possibly wifi, i cant see myself doing that though. A sort of pocket server doubling up as a transportable pc
[17:00] <markus> what's your timezone?
[17:01] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: GOOD nite =)
[17:01] <markus> maybe austrialia?
[17:01] <ceti331_> Uk here
[17:01] <Assemblyfant> markus: http://playerdad.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/battery-power.html
[17:03] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: new zealand
[17:03] <ReggieUK> if the pi is set to recieve 5v via the miniUsb socket then putting 6v into it won't do it any favours.
[17:03] <ReggieUK> if they're fresh non-rechargable batteries then they'll produce 1.5v
[17:04] <markus> it's not a calculator it's a usb charger so 1.5V adds up to 5
[17:04] <ReggieUK> if they're freshly charged rechargables then they *might* be holding 1.3-1.4v but expect around 1.2v
[17:04] <markus> 4x1.5 = 5
[17:04] <nacimep> heh
[17:05] <ReggieUK> if there isn't a regulator then you will be feeding between 4.8-6v into the miniUSB
[17:05] <ReggieUK> if there is a 5v regulator then it will feed the pi at the correct voltage
[17:05] <markus> it says it has a built in microprocessor
[17:05] <MattPurland> hah, really?
[17:05] <MattPurland> I certainly doubt that
[17:05] <ReggieUK> it might be called a usb charger but in essence it's just a 5v psu with a bit of sensing circuit on it
[17:05] <nacimep> 1+1=cupcake
[17:06] <nacimep> /nick derpy
[17:06] <markus> MattPurland: http://www.parkus.se/home/exibelusbemergencycharger read on the second image
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[17:07] <tntexplosivesltd> markus: why did you want me to wait?
[17:07] <mjr> 4 non-rechargable 1.5V AAs without regulators sounds a bit risky. 4 NiMH rechargables less so.
[17:07] <MattPurland> markus: there's no way that has a processor in it :/
[17:07] <ReggieUK> MattPurland, why not?
[17:08] <ReggieUK> it's not like atmel don't make charge control ICs
[17:08] <MattPurland> because all it has to do is regulate voltage, why on earth would it need a processor?
[17:08] <markus> tntexplosivesltd: no i just wanted to know what the time was and where you were located. good night =)
[17:08] <markus> sleep tight
[17:08] <nacimep> so you can call it dual core
[17:08] <tntexplosivesltd> ah
[17:08] <mjr> they're probably just saying "microprocessor" and meaning "chip"
[17:08] <markus> MattPurland: i don't know it just says so on the package :P
[17:09] <nacimep> if its on the internet it must be true
[17:09] <MattPurland> regardless, it won't last long with the Pi
[17:09] <MattPurland> haha, sure :P
[17:09] <tntexplosivesltd> MattPurland: could have a microcontroller?
[17:10] <markus> i have a beaglebone at home. i could try to run the beaglebone with four x ikea batteries and see how long it lasts
[17:10] <MattPurland> possibly
[17:11] <MattPurland> my Pi is currently running off 8 NiMH AAs (regulated of course) and lasts a decent amount of time
[17:11] <MattPurland> I've not really measured it though
[17:11] <nacimep> uptimed
[17:11] * ReggieUK has 2x 2400mah 12v AA packs ready and waiting for the pi
[17:11] <ReggieUK> and 2x 7ah 12v batteries
[17:11] <MattPurland> ReggieUK: that's a lot of AAs
[17:12] <ReggieUK> 10 per pack
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[17:13] <nacimep> zero point energy batteries
[17:13] <MattPurland> I'm gonna try using 4 x 16850 Lithium Ion batteries running in parallel pairs though a regulator
[17:13] <MattPurland> they 5000mah each so should get 10000mah
[17:13] <MattPurland> should last a good while
[17:13] <nacimep> full power to the dark matter engines mr sulu
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[17:14] <markus> one AA battery is approx 2Ah
[17:14] <markus> wouldn't that mean that i pi could run for over 1 hours with four batteries?
[17:14] <MattPurland> rechargable, yes
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[17:15] <markus> i mean over 8 hours
[17:15] <nacimep> no
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[17:16] <markus> nacimep: how am i thinking wrong?
[17:16] <nacimep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#Cells_and_batteries_2
[17:17] <nacimep> magic
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[17:18] <ReggieUK> what is the current draw of the pi?
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> 300-400mA or so
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[17:18] <markus> so lets say 333mA
[17:18] <ReggieUK> then 4xAA @ 2ah should last you somewhere in the order of about 5-6hours
[17:19] <ReggieUK> but it won't as soon as you add usb devices etc.
[17:19] <markus> 4xAA = 8Ah, right?
[17:19] <ReggieUK> no
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> No.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Think of it like bricks.
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[17:20] <SpeedEvil> They have width and height.
[17:20] <raymohi> Lets call it 500mA for the sake of math so 2000/500 is about 4hours but that assumes there is no voltage drop as the battery discharges
[17:20] <nacimep> cant have both
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> However you stack them - you get a constant area.
[17:20] <ReggieUK> the capacity of the battery stays the same no matter how many of them you have, just the voltage increases when they're linked in series
[17:22] <ReggieUK> and as someone has mentioned, these are all related to the efficiency of the voltage regulator
[17:22] <markus> I was thinking of Wh :) sorry
[17:22] <markus> i'm not an electrical engineer which is good
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[17:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Boo! Error: bad instruction `cmpl %r0,%0'
[17:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> $0, even :D
[17:24] <nacimep> double voltage in series double capacity but voltage doesnt change in parallel
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[17:25] <nacimep> simple stuff here
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[17:29] <nacimep> so to get more than 1.5v from a AA you go series - to + batteries on a long chain but the capacity (mah) are still the same as 1 battery alone , parrallel negative to negatice (line up the batts and run a wire connecting all the tops and likewise for the bottom the voltage is 1.5 but the mah add up
[17:30] <trevorman> regular AAs are bad when you're trying to get a high current out of them
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> 400mA is not high current.
[17:30] <nacimep> and if you connect negative to positive you rip a hole in the space/time continuum
[17:30] <trevorman> for an nonrechargable AA it is
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> The cells are fine - the connectors are actually more annoying
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: not for a quality alkaline
[17:31] <trevorman> you sure about that? 400mA is usually way too much for even good quality ones
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> It reduces it a little
[17:32] <nacimep> i havent looked at a battery since my remote died
[17:32] <trevorman> it'll work. it just won't be near what the rated capacity is
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> It hits ~60-70% or so of nominal capacity
[17:33] <trevorman> use rechargeables anyway :P better current capacity and reusable
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> For a duracell AA
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://208.173.184.182/OEM/Primary/Alkaline/mx1500.asp
[17:34] <trevorman> only 60-70% out of a cell would be bad IMO
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[17:36] <nacimep> my head hurts from thinking about this the cells in my brain are trying to reach out to each other but the thimerosal from the vaccines i took wont let them connect and it hurts my head
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[17:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> Any arm assembly buffs here? :D
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[17:41] <SpeedEvil> I tried to do some arm dissasembly once, but the screams put me off.
[17:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm trying to translate from the intel stuff: "movl data_items(,%edi,4), %eax" to arm, but it doesn't like: "mov %r0, data_items(,%r2,4)"
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[17:54] <maltloaf> hi can anyone help me fix my wifi ? The driver is installed and the adaptor is recognised but i don't know the next step
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> which distro?
[17:55] <maltloaf> debian squeeze
[17:56] <maltloaf> iwlist wlan0 scan gives no results but everything seems to be working ok
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> well... that's a problem. Should it be giving results?
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[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> try ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> then iwlist wlan0 scan again
[17:57] <maltloaf> still says no scan results. there are several wlans here
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> as for the actual config, you can either use a graphical tool like wicd or NetworkManager with a frontent, and I think there's a way to do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know about the /etc/network/interfaces method though, I am more of an Arch person.
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd get that iwlist not showing any access points thing fixed though. No idea why that might happen.
[17:59] <maltloaf> i've added the interface itself to /etc/network/interfaces, didn't seem to change anything
[17:59] <maltloaf> thank you for your help anyway
[18:00] <maltloaf> i can get a temporary wired internet to the location to install the tools you mention so I will give them a try
[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, not sure I've helped at all. Anyway, when I used Debian I set everything up manually using wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd to make sure it worked and then switched to wicd.
[18:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> maltloaf: did you install firmware?
[18:01] <ShiftPlusOne> wicd was iffy, but after some fiddling it started working.
[18:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, check dmesg to make sure the firmware loaded properly as well.
[18:02] <maltloaf> Gadgetoid_Air as far as I know the module for this chipset is included anyway
[18:02] <maltloaf> it's a realtek 8187
[18:02] <trevorman> some wifi dongles want too much current to be able to work properly off the RPi directly
[18:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> maltloaf: module != firmware, firmware is a binary blob that's non-free
[18:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> My newer realtek based ones wont work, because they draw too much current
[18:03] <maltloaf> so i need both ? even if ifconfig sees the card as a wlan card with the correct mac address etc
[18:03] <maltloaf> i was wondering about current draw myself
[18:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek
[18:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you check dmesg you might see complaints about firmware, or lack thereof
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> unplug the dongle, plug it back in, wait 5 seconds then type 'dmesg | tail -n 50'
[18:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I might test my newer ones again through a USB hub
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[18:06] <maltloaf> i'll plug in the wired lan and check for the firmware package then
[18:06] <maltloaf> thanks for the help, given me something to think about anyway
[18:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I've also had bad luck with the provided realtek module and firmware. I had to download the firmware and compile the module manually (for Debian... worked on the other distros without that).
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[18:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: hmm, sounds familiar??? I had pain compiling realtek modules before due to lack-of-knowing-what-I'm-doing
[18:08] <maltloaf> that's my biggest problem, lack of knowledge but I'm learning slowly
[18:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it was really fiddly since it nedded the kernel source and all that.
[18:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm lsusb likes to hang
[18:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, which USB hub do you use? I haven't had luck with any. Sorry if I've asked you already.
[18:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: no idea, some generic thing??? I just plugged my wifi device straight in, though, and it hangs lsusb something nasty
[18:10] <trevorman> I've had random USB hotplug hangs on the RPi
[18:10] <ShiftPlusOne> damn... I have a generic one and the targus which is listed as supported on the wiki... neither work properly.
[18:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just plugged my hub in??? pi death
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> like they're not powered at all =/
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> death?
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> like death death or needs to be restarted death?
[18:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not sure which
[18:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not actually sure if it did restart
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[18:13] <dmsuse> you killed your pi?
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[18:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: crashed or hung it, or did something weird :D
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, so it's still good then?
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yes, I have an older WiFi dongle that works fine, too, but ethernet is faster
[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... to invest in a proper branded hub... and if that doesn't work, I'll be leaving an angry note at Eben's doorstep.
[18:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also, if I unplug either of my realtek dongles, it explodes
[18:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> My hub is branded Belkin, will try my normal wifi dongle through it
[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> you said you had a generic one... Belkin isn't generic >=/
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[18:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: it looks generic from a distance, forgot it was Belkin :D
[18:18] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[18:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> My old wifi dongle seems to work through it
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[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> keyboard working now too
[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> k, just bought a belkin one as well... hopefuly that will make my pi usable.
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> I recommend old Ralink wifi devices for the Pi, anyway
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mine's a Sandberg one
[18:19] <trevorman> localhost
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( wifi that is )
[18:19] <trevorman> oops
[18:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
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[18:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> definitely dislikes hubs
[18:23] <markus> information wnats to be free
[18:23] * Holden is thinking about shorting the usb fuse to see whether his wi-fi adapter will work or not...
[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> markus, how did you get from pi not liking usb hubs to that? O_o
[18:24] <markus> i thought we were discussing ethernet switches vs hubs :P
[18:25] <markus> hubs can be handy sometimes
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh ok
[18:26] <trevorman> hard to find 10/100 hubs now. much easier to just find a cheap managed switch that can SPAN.
[18:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Grumble @ Error: immediate expression requires a # prefix -- `mov %r0,data_items(,4,%r2)
[18:26] <lennard> sometimes, hubs can make things more legal (or even legal at all)
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[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> maltloaf, after you get the dongle working, I'd go with this... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wpa_wpa2
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[18:32] <Maxxx> Hi
[18:33] <Maxxx> Is someone here from USA who wants to sell his RPi for 323$ ?
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[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like a no to me
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[18:35] <ShiftPlusOne> But there's someone from Australia who's wondering why you don't just buy one off ebay, if you're willing to pay oddly rounded amounts of money for it. O_o
[18:36] <Jaska_> :)
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[18:36] <Jaska_> its a shame i couldn't oder more then one this time
[18:36] <Jaska_> though I have not yet technicaly ordered anything.. only got in queue
[18:37] <hungryhorace> Hello all. Has anyone had any experience using SDL outside of X on the Rpi?
[18:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> It was $323.99 before, he's put his price down!
[18:37] <hungryhorace> And what videodriver would work?
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> hungryhorace, I've had a fiddle with it, couldn't get it to work. If you figure it out, please share.
[18:39] <hungryhorace> will do. I'm trying to emulate what quake3 does and use a dummy sdl window to get the inputs but create an EGL context to do all the rendering directly in gles.
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[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> hungryhorace, oh, so it doesn't even take inputs without X?
[18:40] <Holden> ok, does anyone know if one of these would work on linux? http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd181/pablobon/Lettorememorycardin.jpg
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Holden, 99% sure it will work just fine.
[18:41] <hungryhorace> ShiftPlusOne, doesn't seem to. The rendering is fine, but I don't get any keyboard events.
[18:41] <Maxxx> you get exactly 323.98$ :D
[18:41] <Holden> ShiftPlusOne, ok perfect, I bought one for 2,60???, it should come tomorrow...
[18:41] <zylche> Maxxx: I won't go a cent below $324
[18:42] <Maxxx> Im from germany and cant use this money cause its gift value for amazon.com and they dont ship to germany ...
[18:42] <MBS> how do you have us amazon credit?
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> hungryhorace, tried playing with envvars? http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_envvars
[18:42] <Maxxx> ok ... 2 cents via paypal + 323.98 via amazon.com ok ;D
[18:42] <zylche> If game keys were bought it'd make sense
[18:42] <hungryhorace> ShiftPlusOne, just on that same page right now :-)
[18:43] <MBS> and actually amazon.com does ship some things to germany
[18:43] <Maxxx> I got it after I returned a gift a friend brought me from USA
[18:43] <MBS> http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=230659011
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> hungryhorace, I am not seeing much you can do about keyboard inputs not working though (assuming your coding is all good).
[18:43] <Maxxx> Yeaa CD/DVD/Books but I dont need that much ...
[18:44] <MBS> they do some electronics too
[18:44] <Maxxx> For someone from USA that would be a great deal ...
[18:44] <Maxxx> Nope
[18:44] <Maxxx> Or if someone travels to USA...
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[18:48] <Holden> Hexxeh, hello, I wanted to try the new raspbian image (raspbian-r3.zip) and I just noticed that there is a config.txt file in the boot partition that sets cpu freq to 800Mhz... is this on purpose or did it accidentally slip there?
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> what's wrong with setting it to 800?
[18:49] <haltdef> not everybody wants to overclock
[18:49] <haltdef> terrible default imo
[18:49] <mjr> overclocking by default is somewhat iffy
[18:49] <Holden> hmm, I had read it could invalidate warranty?
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> is 800 overclocking?
[18:49] <mjr> Holden, that was overvolting
[18:50] <Holden> yeah, overclocking without asking the user isn't very nice...
[18:50] <Holden> mjr, ah okay
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought 800 is the speced frequency and they just reduced it to 700 for some reason.
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[18:52] <[SLB]> is it?
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[18:52] <trevorman> 700 is the rated freq I believe
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[18:53] <trevorman> Dom mentions that you generally have enough headroom to hit 800MHz on all of them though
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[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> well I've been running it at 800 and I blame whoever told me that's what it's meant to be (whether that person actualy exists or not) >=/
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[18:55] <trevorman> 800mhz shouldn't adversely affect anything though. heat output can't be that much different.
[18:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mine's still chugging on at 900mhz
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[18:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> electron erosion or something? :D
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> Electromigration.
[18:56] * ShiftPlusOne goes on wikipedia
[18:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> That would be the one!
[18:56] <trevorman> rumour was that loads of P4s died because of that
[18:56] <dmsuse> whats safe for overclocking ram and gpu?#
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> Also the thunderbolt chipset.
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[18:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's like coastal erosion, except the flow of electrons gradually causes the migration of material inside the CPU??? I think
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[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> can you make it into a car analogy?
[18:58] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: oh yeah. the dying SATA ports
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> "momentum transfer between conducting electrons and diffusing metal atoms" how much momentum can an electron have?
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[19:01] * ShiftPlusOne goes though physics textbook
[19:02] <trevorman> its a cumulative effect anyway
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ - 43km balloon over the UK
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Line of sight to damn near the whole country :)
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> - little 10mW transmitter.
[19:04] <dmsuse> SpeedEvil: the hell is that
[19:04] <nacimep> dont need much up there
[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the deal with this balloon thing and why are so many people into it?
[19:04] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: I was huh? thats nowhere near the whole country but had to zoom out a few times :D
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> It's fun.
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> The blue circle is the balloon horizon - the green one is 5 degrees up
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> so... is it just about launching a balloon into high altitudes and sending back data or is there more to it?
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[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Balloon + camera + GPS + small radio transmitter + helium - typically
[19:05] <nacimep> i just bought a crapload of old nextel phones on ebay that can work off network in digital walkie mode .7w output 900mhz ISM band (for the zombie apocalypse)
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> The above site actually does live weather predictions.
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> In that it predicts landing based on the position and live weatehr data
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> #highaltitude is the relevant channel
[19:07] <nacimep> they are pimp for the price paid like 15$ per no license needed external antenna port
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I thought you meant it uses the gathered data to predict the weather >.>
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: that sort-of-works.
[19:07] <nacimep> be perfect for the zombie apocalypse ;)
[19:07] <Assemblyfant> yeah I finally got owncloud running on my raspberry pi =)
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: If you measure wind as you go up - you can invert it for when you come down, and get a reasonable prediction
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[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> do they bother getting permission to launch them or just go for it?
[19:09] <trevorman> you just need to fill in some forms if its a weather balloon
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> You need permission to launch.
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> Which can take ages.
[19:10] <nacimep> so when you kill somone with falling debris they know who to blame
[19:10] <trevorman> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:faq
[19:10] <SpeedEvil> The met office launch thousands of baloons a year, and have had 3 claims totalling 600 quid
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
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[19:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn balloon fallout, damaged my daffodils!
[19:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> avoid any liability by using an altimeter connected to a small but destructive explosive device, so your payload is rendered harmless before impact
[19:13] <dmsuse> no doubt 1000 people a year don't know what damaged their cars :P
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_Air: Nothing could go wrong with that plan at all.
[19:13] <nacimep> until extreme weather makes it malfunction and it falls and blows up somone
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Assemblyfant, hm... that owncloud thing looks interesting, thanks.
[19:13] <nacimep> lul
[19:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Assemblyfant: ??? does your name mean you know assembly? :D
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[19:14] <ceti331_> How easy is it to get hold of an rpi... Is there an order backlog
[19:14] <dmsuse> 5 month backlog and growing :P
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> Very easy - if you're prepared to wait a bit - or order on ebay
[19:15] <dmsuse> i bought 1 on ebay yesterday :D
[19:15] <ceti331_> Ive never used ebay i have to admit
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> I will sell mine in exchange for unwanted daughters who can weld. Send pictures of beads.
[19:15] <nacimep> i got a time to order email recently but i havent ordered cause i already made an order a while back
[19:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if the price will peak any higher, I could sell mine as "O/Cd to 900Mhz, comes with free dust"
[19:15] <nacimep> used the email interest thing
[19:16] <nacimep> and also ordered from whats the site
[19:16] <nacimep> so im a bit confused if my original order will ever ship
[19:17] <nacimep> or do i have to use my special code
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> nacimep, so what's the deal with the zombie apocalypse preparation, you know something the rest of us don't? >=/
[19:17] <ceti331_> Anyone used any similar devices
[19:17] * SpeedEvil has 6 months food, and solar panels.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Actually - probably more like a year
[19:17] <nacimep> never hurts to be prepared
[19:17] <dmsuse> solar panels rock and they would rock more if the rpi could be a ammeter/voltmeter
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> why can't it be?
[19:18] <nacimep> zombies/race war/financial collapse/obama re-election/revolution
[19:18] <dmsuse> there is no analogue to digital to read from a shunt :P
[19:18] <ceti331_> peakoilers here?
[19:18] <nacimep> jesus' return
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I think jesus return would be covered under zombies.
[19:19] <nacimep> nyan cat invasion
[19:19] <chris_99> add an ADC then dmsuse
[19:19] <ceti331_> in find most peeps on tech irc rooms think new tech will save us from peak oi
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[19:20] <nacimep> i hear fukushima reactor 4 is dangerously unstable not to mention that stuff has been leaking since but not talked about
[19:20] <dmsuse> chris_99: duno how :P
[19:20] <ceti331_> I dont buy that. i think peak oil is the beging of the end of industrial civilization, but duing he transition we wil have more use for low power computing like rpi
[19:21] <nacimep> yeah they just say that so they can charge more for less
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> ceti331_: Of course it's not.
[19:21] <ceti331_> Its a no brainer there isonly so mich we can dig up
[19:21] <dmsuse> we have already reached peak oil
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[19:22] <ceti331_> yes
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> ceti331_: The lights go out - people are not reluctant to allow nuclear, or thorium reactors.
[19:22] <nacimep> i also heard "climate change" is a myth
[19:22] <ceti331_> Hence the economic crisis etc
[19:23] * SpeedEvil pours cheese on nacimep.
[19:23] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/mau2PKnbvWtbYDyOhWsE/
[19:23] <ceti331_> Throium has the same problem as oil. There is onky so much we can dig up and burn. In the longrun only solar is viable, and its called 'photosynthesis'
[19:23] <nacimep> but vaccines/GMO/fluoride/pasturized milk is good for you
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Climate change is a myth, peak oil is a scam, we never went to the moon, 911 was an inside job and 0bama is a nazi.... I know because Alex Jones said so.
[19:23] <Cheery> if anyone cares, they could try running that coed. :)
[19:23] <Cheery> *code
[19:23] <nacimep> exactly
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> and why is only solar viable? I am pretty sure wind is way better on large scale than solar.
[19:24] <Cheery> it's a word wrapping toy in python
[19:24] <ceti331_> Wind is solar by proxy
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[19:24] <nacimep> zero point energy
[19:24] <ceti331_> wind is also called windmills and sailing ships which we had hundreds ofyeasrs ago
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> everything is solar by proxy
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Wind basically sucks in most normal house sites.
[19:24] <nacimep> hamsters in wheels
[19:24] * ShiftPlusOne kick nacimep! (Don't you start!)
[19:25] <dmsuse> everything i have is powered by solar
[19:25] <ceti331_> the difference between solar and burning things like oil and uranium is we cant over spend sunlight
[19:26] <ceti331_> Current civilization is, in energy terms, like a splurging lottery winner, in for a shock when the lumpsum finaly runs out
[19:26] <nacimep> hydrothermal
[19:26] <wcchandler> mmm raspbmc installed, playing 720p no problem :)
[19:26] <wcchandler> sits around 61% cpu use
[19:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Re: Fukushima.. most of us don't build nuclear power stations on the world's most active fault-line :D
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[19:27] <nacimep> nor put fuel storage ponds right on top of the reactors
[19:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> The argument "nuclear power isn't safe when a tsunami wipes out half of our country" is somewhat of a fallacy, and is like saying "nuclear power isn't safe when the whole world is destroyed by a meteor"
[19:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Unfortunately, we're a species burdened with far, far too many idiots
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> except that half of one country isn't the whole world. O_o
[19:28] <nacimep> and they seem to rise up in rank the more dumb/selfish they are
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[19:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: my point stands, basing your power supply decisions upon highly unlikely disaster scenarios is only going to end in tears??? or energy poverty
[19:30] <ceti331_> I agree niclar power is essential to minimmize misery in the transition... But in the longrun we cannot live by digging things up
[19:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> I, for one, would live on top of a bloomin' nuclear reactor if it would cut my prohibitive energy bills
[19:30] <ceti331_> Unles theyare recyclable
[19:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Imagine the heating savings, you could just pipe the water used for coolant through your radiators
[19:30] <ceti331_> I.e. using materials rather than living on releasing embedded energy
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, nuh, I afree, I am just not sure if that's a good counter argument.
[19:30] <ceti331_> without oil earth will only support 2 billion people
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> And I am sure most first world countries already have plans for 100% renewable power grids and are just sorting out the details. I many European countries are doing well and Australia isn't idle either.
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[19:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: nuclear is a stopgap, anyway, we'll eventually learn how to pull unlimited energy from the plank scale, before we all finally build a giant array and project ourself there as disembodied gods
[19:32] <dmsuse> the whole worlds poplation can fit into the australia with some to space with everyone having 1 acre each
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[19:32] <dmsuse> some typos there :P
[19:33] <ceti331_> Of course they have plans. Renewabble is the only longterm option. However the big issue is, no. Matter what we want, renewables will neither supoort the quality or quantity of human life we ere used to in the oil age
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, but only the east coast doesn't suck to live in
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[19:33] <ceti331_> we are like an algae bloom feasting on oil
[19:33] <ceti331_> we will exhibit the same population boom bust curve
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[19:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Wonder if we'll ever mine other planets O_o
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[19:40] <nacimep> i could live without oil
[19:41] <dmsuse> how would you get food?
[19:41] <nacimep> i'd grow it
[19:42] <dmsuse> how would you get water/tools to grow it :P
[19:42] <nacimep> not like apples grow on trees or anything
[19:42] <trevorman> wood bucket?
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear water falls from the sky sometimes.
[19:42] <nacimep> heh
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[19:42] <nacimep> nah man thats a myth
[19:43] <nacimep> water doesnt come from the sky
[19:43] <nacimep> paper doesnt grow on trees it comes from oil
[19:43] <nacimep> duh
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[19:44] <nacimep> alcohol comes from brewers not yeast consuming sugars
[19:45] <ShiftPlusOne> heh sounds about right
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[19:48] <dmsuse> how would u collect the water?
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's all a self correcting problem. Most people have backyards, but not gardens. I know I lived half of my life in a house built by my grandfather, with plenty of fruit bearing trees, berries, potatoes, watermelons and so on. I think it was enough to be able to live off. If things really get as bad as some people think, people will just start growing their own food again, we have the space after all.
[19:49] <dmsuse> ShiftPlusOne: ppl dont have time :P
[19:49] <shaulkr> Most people living in cities don't have either backyards or gardens
[19:49] <nacimep> amazing things can be done with permaculture designing natural water catchment terracing and such
[19:49] <dmsuse> too busy with legalised slave labour which is capitalism and jobs :P
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> well, they might be forced to make the time, that's all.
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, well cities are different
[19:50] <nacimep> like holding moisture in biomass like weeds and trees that transpire creating nice lil micro climates
[19:51] <dmsuse> how does that allow you to water your crops though?
[19:51] <nacimep> it keeps the water localized
[19:52] <nacimep> you arent losing it all fast its down in the soil its in the plants/trees gets recycled and conserved till next rain
[19:52] <nacimep> no buckets!!
[19:52] <nacimep> go read some permaculture books or something
[19:52] <trevorman> you can make a wood bucket anyway. its what people used to do.
[19:52] <dmsuse> with what tools :P
[19:52] <nacimep> you're thinking monoculture farm
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> surely a water tank and rain gutters would be enough to water a garden. But I'll admit I don't actually know how much water tanks around here actually collect.
[19:53] <trevorman> dmsuse: it may surprise you but humans have survived thousands of years without plastic :P
[19:53] <nacimep> GMO/pesticides and such
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[19:53] <dmsuse> trevorman: sure by settling near rivers and such
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[19:53] <dmsuse> that isnt an option in the uk
[19:53] <ShiftPlusOne> trevorman, yeah, but the standard of living wasn't as great as some people make it out to have been.
[19:53] <trevorman> also you can still make plastic without oil. its just harder to do and also more expensive which is why the majority is still oil based.
[19:54] <trevorman> dmsuse: wells
[19:54] <dmsuse> how you gona dig it :P
[19:54] <nacimep> hands
[19:54] <dmsuse> :o
[19:54] <nacimep> cause im fricken hardcore and stop trolling me
[19:54] <dmsuse> lol k
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[19:56] <dmsuse> are these "arduino compatible" boards as good as the real thing?
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty much the same thing, just can't be legally called an arduino.
[19:56] <dmsuse> cooooooool
[19:57] <dmsuse> ima get one o those
[19:57] <nacimep> arduino is opensource so clones are everywhere
[19:57] <trevorman> arduino = serial bootloader on an AVR + a slightly stupid standardised PCB layout
[19:57] <trevorman> the alignment of the pins is off which is why its slightly stupid
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> how is it off?
[19:58] <trevorman> you can't plug one into a breadboard
[19:58] <nacimep> pretty much just a chip and clock
[19:58] <trevorman> its not on a 0.1" grid so it doesn't fit
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, mine fitted just fine
[19:59] <nacimep> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Standalone
[20:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... looks like I have a 'sanguino'
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[20:00] <ShiftPlusOne> my mistake
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[20:02] <dmsuse> ShiftPlusOne: what do you use yours for?
[20:03] <trevorman> ShiftPlusOne: the side with the two larger connectors has an odd sized gap in the middle
[20:03] <trevorman> compare it with the other side which has the correct size
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I got it when I first started messing with electronic. Right now it's in an RFID scanner with a network interface I did for a uni project. Dont really use it for anything right now.
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[20:04] <dmsuse> cool
[20:04] <dmsuse> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arduino-UNO-Compatbile-Board-Mega-328-ATMEGA328P-Free-USB-Cable-00960-/160804339193?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item2570af7df9
[20:05] <dmsuse> that looks cheap enough, i might get that.. i dont know if it has adc though to read from a shunt
[20:05] <Byan> whats so cool about it?
[20:06] <trevorman> dmsuse: its got an adc. all 328ps do
[20:06] <trevorman> I think all the AVRs used in arduinos do actually
[20:06] <dmsuse> good :D thanks
[20:06] <dmsuse> Byan: i said the rfid scanner was cool
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[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> (it's not really... I was actually working directly with a micro, but then screwed up the micro the day before it was due, so had to use the sanguino) >.>
[20:09] <dmsuse> lol
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[20:10] <dmsuse> ooo i can't wait :D
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[20:16] <cpm> Hello. I want to build the uvc video kernel module on debian6-19-04-2012.zip. Do I use the latest "rpi-patches" branch from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux, or do I need to get the kernel source from the 19-04-2012 build from somewere? Thanks!
[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux should be fine.
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[20:18] <gurgalof> isn't uvc-video built, meh
[20:19] <cpm> Thanks ShiftPlusOne.
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[20:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I'd check the config to check
[20:19] <ShiftPlusOne> well that was a redundant way to say it =/
[20:20] <gurgalof> :P
[20:20] <cpm> No, I don't think it is on the debian build, but I think it is on archlinux
[20:20] <Byan> 14:17 <+ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux should be fine.
[20:20] <Byan> Are you sure?
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[20:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Why not? That's where I've been compiling my kernels from. Why wouldn't it work?
[20:22] <Byan> because he is going to try to load 'bleeding edge' module with the older kernel
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[20:22] <ShiftPlusOne> oh =/
[20:22] <Byan> cpm: I would just recompile the kernel too
[20:24] <cpm> Okay, thanks, I'll go down that route.
[20:24] <Byan> I could be wrong too btw cpm
[20:25] <Byan> it might work. I just know it's not garaunteed to
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> so to make sure I am understanding this right.. the uvc module isn't in that version of the kernel, so he's applying the patches to a newer kernel to get just the module?
[20:25] <Byan> huh no ShiftPlusOne
[20:25] <Byan> his version of the kernel didn't have it compiled
[20:25] <Byan> it wasn't shipped with it
[20:25] <Byan> cpm: actually wait a sec
[20:26] <Byan> cpm: can't you download the kernel source from apt-get?
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not seeing it in 3.1.9
[20:26] <Byan> thats the right way
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the config option for it called?
[20:26] <ccssnet> Byan: you could also download from kernel.org...
[20:26] <gurgalof> pi@raspberrypi:~$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_USB_VIDEO_CLASS
[20:26] <gurgalof> returns nothing
[20:26] <Byan> ccssnet: the specific source it was built with, no
[20:27] <ccssnet> or from whichever repository has the patches applied
[20:27] <cpm> I tried enabling uvc as a module (using make menuconfig) and ran "make modules" and it seems to be compiling everything anyway.
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, then yeah compiling the module alone might work fine... worst case scenario, just compile the kernel as well
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[20:28] <gurgalof> seems that i will need to compile the kernel aswell
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[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh... plenty of patches since I last updated =D
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[20:33] <gurgalof> hmm shall i crosscompile or compile nativly
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> cross
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> compiling the kernel nativly is crazy
[20:35] <gurgalof> :P
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> cpm, you could also try stealing just the module from the arch repo.
[20:36] <cpm> Thanks
[20:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Got the assembly working, wowser
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[20:38] <cpm> Guess it depends if it's build as a module or not...
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> should be here http://mirror.archlinuxarm.org/arm/core/linux-raspberrypi-3.1.9-14-arm.pkg.tar.xz
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[20:55] <Assemblyfant> Is there a maximum size for the sd card or can I use everything?
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> there's no maximum, but as you know, not all cards work
[20:57] <Assemblyfant> actually I didn't know that not all cards work =) How can I know that a card works without buying it and trying it?
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[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> check the verified peripherals list
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_SD_Cards
[20:58] <trevorman> don't go over 32GB as thats SDXC and compatibility is complicated with that even for desktops
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> but I don't see anything higher than 16GB on there though
[20:58] <MattPurland> the new modules/kernel fixes some on the SD card issues
[20:58] <MattPurland> some of*
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, no there's SanDisk 32GB SDHC Class 6
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> listed as supported
[20:58] <Assemblyfant> ok thx
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> but matt is right, the 32GB ones are very iffy
[20:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> The two different 16GB ones I bought haven't arrived, they were both explicitly on that list AFAIK so they should be good when they do :D
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[20:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you want more space, use an external, powered hard disk
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[21:00] <trevorman> just because its in the list doesn't give you a 100% guarantee unfortunately. manufacturers like to change the controllers and flash in the cards a lot
[21:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> For all the gigabytes!
[21:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> trevorman: true, that
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[21:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Which is why I bought two totally different ones :D
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[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and people sometimes report stuff as 'working' without testing properly
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[21:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I must have a hard disk lying around somewhere
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[21:11] <Assemblyfant> I should have an old harddisk aswell. Just need somethin like an converter from sata to usb
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[21:12] <Maxxx> Is someone here from USA who wants to sell his RPi for 323.98$ Amazon.com gift value? I cant use it here in germany :(
[21:13] <Assemblyfant> why do you want to pay so much for it?
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[21:14] <Maxxx> Cause I really want one and on the "release date" I was in hospital :(
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[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> because that's money he can't directly use and not many people would trade for amazon.com-only money so they need that incentive.
[21:15] <Maxxx> AND I cant use this money since one year
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[21:15] <trevorman> you can't order stuff from amazon.com and ship it to germany?
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[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> amazon don't do much international shipping
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[21:16] <Maxxx> Nope (only DVD/CD/Books and I dont need taht much)
[21:16] <trevorman> ah
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[21:18] <Maxxx> You dont want to buy?
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[21:20] <trevorman> I'm in the UK anyway
[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> we were just making sure your story checks out.... your offer sounds strange without the backstory -_-
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[21:27] <jardiamj> Hi guys, I just got a sudo: unable to resolve host raspberrypi message, I guess I have to my hostname to /etc/hosts
[21:27] <jardiamj> is it a bug?
[21:29] <dmsuse> no
[21:30] <jardiamj> shouldn't it be there by default...
[21:31] <dmsuse> did you change the hostname?
[21:31] <jardiamj> no, I didn't
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[21:31] <dmsuse> oh...
[21:31] <jardiamj> I checked /etc/hosts
[21:31] <dmsuse> whats it say?
[21:31] <jardiamj> and 127.0.1.1 raspberrypi is not there
[21:32] <jardiamj> it just has the normal 127.0.0.1 localhost
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[21:32] <dmsuse> duno then :P
[21:33] <jardiamj> I think it should be there by default... but it's not
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[21:33] <jardiamj> at least not in the image I installed
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[21:35] <ant_thomas> Hi, has anyone managed to successfully compile pwc for Debian? or managed to get a pwc based webcam to work?
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[21:42] <gurgalof> i took only 4 minutes for me to compile the kernel
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> now do a native compile
[21:43] <gurgalof> nah
[21:44] <gurgalof> hmm now i have to find my webcam....
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> well whatever the new patches were since I last updated... they seem to have fixed my usb hub problems (so far)
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[21:46] <ant_thomas> I hate to ask for set by steps, but I seem to struggling with this one! Any guides for it?
[21:47] <ant_thomas> *step
[21:47] <gurgalof> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, the only pwc I know of is pricewaterhouse coopers and I am sure that's not what you're after
[21:48] <ant_thomas> nope, not after them!
[21:49] <ant_thomas> it's the webcam driver for philips webcams which was removed from the linux kernel (after 2.6 I think)
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray... kernel panic =(
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[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_thomas, http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/ is that it?
[21:53] <ant_thomas> yeah, that's the one
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[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, I'll give it a go
[21:53] <ant_thomas> make just gives a number of errors
[21:53] <ant_thomas> i can pastebin them if you want
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[21:54] <ant_thomas> using "pwc-10.0.12-rc1"
[21:54] <ShiftPlusOne> looks doable, hang on
[21:55] <ant_thomas> ok, thanks
[21:58] <ant_thomas> If it's of any interest.... http://pastebin.com/k7PJ1Bqj
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[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_thomas, just copying some files over to the pi, it's taking a while.
[22:04] <ant_thomas> no worries
[22:04] <dmsuse> can the pi boot from usb?
[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne> not directly, but your rootfs can be on USB
[22:04] <dmsuse> k thnx
[22:06] <gurgalof> aww, i can not find my uvc capable webcam :(
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[22:23] <cornet> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/186027/raspberrypi.jpg # random shot of my pi
[22:24] <chris_99> nicely taken cornet
[22:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm now prepping a hard drive to try and boot my Pi from, I have a feeling it's going to be a long night
[22:24] <cornet> chris_99: cheers - only quickly edited on laptop
[22:24] <cornet> cba to walk upstairs to workstation
[22:24] <chris_99> did you use a flash?
[22:24] <cornet> chris_99: 3 of them
[22:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pi in case wheee: http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00888.jpg
[22:25] <chris_99> nice :) what type?
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[22:25] <cornet> chris_99: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/186027/2012-05-20%2021.17.25.jpg
[22:25] <cornet> chris_99: nikon sb900/600 and cheap yonguno one
[22:25] <chris_99> sweet, nice setup
[22:26] <ant_thomas> not quite as impressive http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14641356/rpi4.jpg
[22:26] <chris_99> i've done some macro photography myself and the lighting is always a PITA heh
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I also think this came out nice, using a cheap compact camera :D http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00885.jpg
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Love your case ant_thomas, hacktacular!
[22:26] <cornet> Gadgetoid_Air: :)
[22:27] <ant_thomas> functional!
[22:27] <chris_99> what camera is that cornet?
[22:27] <cornet> chris_99: nikon D90
[22:27] <cornet> chris_99: batter grip and 50mm prime
[22:27] <cornet> *battery
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[22:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have no idea how to use real cameras
[22:28] <cornet> Gadgetoid_Air: neither do a lot of people that have them ;)
[22:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> cornet: Haha, true that??? they all just want the background-blur effect
[22:28] <cornet> Gadgetoid_Air: then shoot in auto and wonder why it doesn't happen
[22:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've accomplished it pretty well with crappy cameras, a tripod and at least 20 meters between my subject and the camera ha!
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[22:32] <ant_thomas> ShiftPlusOne: Any luck yet?
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_thomas, making progress
[22:32] <ant_thomas> ok :)
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[22:37] <SBeans> hola
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[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_thomas, are there no patched version to work with recent kernels?
[22:38] <SBeans> having some trouble, with my screen, half of it is cut off
[22:38] <SBeans> I guess I have to edit /boot/config.txt?
[22:38] <ant_thomas> ShiftPlusOne, not that I've found
[22:38] <cornet> Gadgetoid_Air: nothing wrong with crappy cameras :)
[22:39] <SBeans> but I really dont know whats going on in htere
[22:39] <trevorman> SBeans: you shouldn't need to. it should autodetect.
[22:39] <cornet> i've taken enough cool shots on my phone
[22:40] <trevorman> SBeans: cut off as in overscan or you're actually missing half the screen
[22:40] <SBeans> trevorman: ? It isnt, using a tv,
[22:40] <SBeans> overscan
[22:40] <trevorman> ah in that case yes you do need to alter config.txt
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[22:41] <trevorman> SBeans: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[22:41] <SBeans> but how? I just dont understand
[22:41] <trevorman> its a text file. also don't overvolt without understand the implications of doing so.
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> evening all.
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[22:42] <passstab> ~~~~~~
[22:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[22:47] <ant_thomas> ShiftPlusOne: There is a pwc folder in the RPi kernel source cloned from git
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> so there is
[22:48] <ant_thomas> make in there doesn't do anything though
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> enable it in kernel config maybe
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[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_thomas, it's right there... looks enabled as a module by default on arch
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> which means I might have it already... what's the compiled module filename?
[22:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ( <M> USB Philips Cameras)
[22:56] <ant_thomas> pwc.ko i think
[22:56] <ant_thomas> I should've said I'm using Debian, maybe I should give Arch a go
[22:56] <ShiftPlusOne> or you can just steal the kernel and modules from arch
[22:57] <ant_thomas> I guess I could!
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> http://mirror.archlinuxarm.org/arm/core/linux-raspberrypi-3.1.9-14-arm.pkg.tar.xz
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> or compile your own
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> /lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc.ko
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah it's there
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and it works
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> "usbcore: registered new interface driver Philips webcam"
[22:59] <ant_thomas> thanks for looking into this!
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries, you're the one who figured it out
[23:00] <ant_thomas> Team effort!
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[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, sure
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> How much do proto boards usually run? >.>
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[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> quick someone.... make the "DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK" go away
[23:06] <GabrialDestruir> -gets out hammer-
[23:06] <markus> *simsalabim*
[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, that didn't do it.
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[23:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Possibly stupid question; I'm partitioning a 250GB hard drive to use with my Pi??? could I create multiple alternate root partitions for different distros and somehow load the appropriate kernels from SD?
[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> if someone gets kexec working >=/
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[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> A Pi with Grub ( or otherwise ) would be nice :D
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[23:11] <markus> isn't it possible to tell the kernel where it should look for the root fs?
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah you can make multiple partitions and then do something like "cp /boot/kernel.openelec /boot/kernel.img; cp /boot/cmdline.openelec /boot/cmdline.txt;" and reboot
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but you can't "select" where you want to boot from
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> so you have to modify cmdline.txt every time
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> or have some script to reboot into debian for example
[23:12] <markus> he could have one sd card for each partition :) with different cmdline.txt
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: yeah I figured as much
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll test with one partition now :)
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> markus: eee, swapping SD card is painful :D
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> but screwing up cmdline.txt might give me a bad day
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[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> not really, the important stuff is compiled into the kernel, so you can delete cmdline.txt and it will still work
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> well on arch anyway, guessing on debian as well
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> not without removing my SD card, though, it's fiddley in the case I use
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, well you can't really screw it up by changing the "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3" part to "root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=<whatever it actually is>"
[23:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmmm, I wonder if sudo cp -r / /mnt/hdd is a good idea
[23:16] <GabrialDestruir> Grub on the pi? >.>
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> i'd rsync -av / /mnt/hdd
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> no you can't have grub on pi! >=/
[23:17] <GabrialDestruir> But I'd love me some Grub Pi
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: how verbose is verbose?
[23:17] <ShiftPlusOne> verbose enough... I'd throw in --progress as well
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[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> actualy.... nuh I'd just do it on another computer
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> since that will try copying all the proc and dev stuff
[23:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah that's probably the best way
[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I think
[23:19] <GabrialDestruir> You know what really sucks? When my internet says my speeds are just fine, yet I can't watch a youtube video cause its' loading too slow
[23:19] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[23:19] <Dagger2> -x!
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> YouTube fail :D
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, >.>
[23:19] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed
[23:19] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Dagger2: does -x avoid /proc ?
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> And other weird not-really-there system folders of magic and awe
[23:20] <Dagger2> no, it avoids crossing filesystem boundaries
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah so it wouldn't recursively copy /mnt/hd? haha
[23:20] <Dagger2> so it'll copy /proc if you do `cp /proc ...`, but not if you do `cp / ...`
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> That would be??? meta
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a way to copy the static /dev files without the udev created ones as well?
[23:22] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: no idea, although copying the udev-created ones is probably not the end of the world
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[23:23] <gurgalof> i found my uvc camera, it works perfect!!!
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[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but it's not pretty
[23:23] <Dagger2> (because if you crash or hard power off the system those files won't get deleted, so udev has to handle that case anyway)
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[23:23] <gurgalof> just takes like 9%cpu to stream 320x240 30fps
[23:24] <gurgalof> mjpeg
[23:24] <gurgalof> with MJPG-Streamer
[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU5eNvrsZI8
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> gurgalof: ohrly?
[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I had that kind of money....
[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if my video capture device will work, the Pi could capture its own video output
[23:26] <gurgalof> GabrialDestruir, yes
[23:27] <gurgalof> but bear in mind that the camera does the jpeg
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> I don't want the iPad, just the type of money wasted when someone does something like this.
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[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I might make my pi into a security system. I am always paranoid about leaving the warehouse roller door open or someone braking in. Maybe hooking up a webcam and a 3g modem then streaming a frame every 30 seconds or so might be a good idea.
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remote into my computers and use their built-in webcams to check up when I'm away :D
[23:29] <GabrialDestruir> Could wait til Foundation releases the Pi Camera
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[23:31] <SBeans> so I still dont really understand what Im suppose to change in configtxt
[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> For what?
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[23:33] <SBeans> for the screen size
[23:33] <SBeans> its cutting off half the stuff
[23:33] <SBeans> :/
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[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> overscan_left= overscan_right= overscan_top= overscan_bottom=
[23:34] <SBeans> ok but what? just guess at values
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[23:34] <SBeans> any ideas for a starting guess?
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> Depends on how much is actually being cut off you can sort of guesstimate how many pixels are missing
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> gurgalof, which uvc webcam did you try that was working?
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[23:39] <gurgalof> ShiftPlusOne, http://www.logitech.com/en-us/435/204 this one
[23:39] <SBeans> anything I write to boot/config.txt is wiped on reboot :/
[23:39] <gurgalof> the only UVC cam i have
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[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> It shouldn't be.
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> gurgalof, thanks
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> Make sure you're actually writing to the file.
[23:40] <SBeans> trying again
[23:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> rsync is chugging away like a champ
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[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> rsync is awesome
[23:42] <SBeans> now it wont boot
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[23:43] <SBeans> :/
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, have you read this page http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt ?
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[23:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> you broke bootup with overscan options!?
[23:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> what are you writing config.txt with, MS Word?
[23:47] <SBeans> yea, I bascially dont understand it at all
[23:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> What did you have in config.txt?
[23:48] <SBeans> Im tired, maybe im just not reading right ShiftPlusOne but it seems to just be hundreds of lines of what
[23:48] <SBeans> sec
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[23:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> It should generally just be a handful of lines, along the lines of: option=value
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[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, you can just skim through it to find the parts you're interested in.
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Weird, my hdd now has more data on it than my sd card, and rsync is still going??? I think I did a whoopsie
[23:49] <SBeans> ShiftPlusOne: but I dont know what is relevant
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[23:50] <SBeans> also just put my sd in my laptoop and boot is empty :/
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> by boot do you mean the first partition or /boot on the second partition?
[23:51] <SBeans> the /boot
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, that's not what you're after, you're looking at the wrong partition
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[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, 'morning
[23:52] <SBeans> yes, I see now thanks (its been a long weekend) Im pretty useless atm
[23:52] <SBeans> yeahdmi_mode=19
[23:52] <SBeans> #arm_freq=800
[23:53] <SBeans> disable_overscan=1
[23:53] <SBeans> thats what was there
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, yeah happens.... what's your monitor resolution meant to be?
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[23:53] <SBeans> um
[23:53] <SBeans> I dont know
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Boom, Pi failed to boot :(
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> well that might be a problem
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, trying to boot of usb?
[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, what does it say?
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find /dev/sda1 or something like that?
[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Keeps hanging, my filesystem is probably trashed
[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> oh wait, login??? wat!
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> as always, check dmesg then
[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> rootfs 239331904 2921568 224252896 2% /
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[23:57] <SBeans> ok ive got it booting by putting the config back to normal
[23:57] <SBeans> but of course the screen is still poo
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[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you just need to set the right hdmi_mode
[23:58] <SBeans> im not using hdmi
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> composite?
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/ :D :D ( see disk space on the right )
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[23:58] <SBeans> im using the RCA
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> remove disable_overscan=1
[23:59] <SBeans> ok
[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, ah sorry if I missed you say that. Then make sure your set sdtv_mode if you're not using NTSC and aspect ratio, if you're not using 4:3.

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