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IRC Log for 2012-05-21

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, that loaded fairly quickly, nice.
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[0:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> SBeans: sudo echo 'overscan_left=20' >> /boot/config.txt
[0:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> And then: sudo echo 'overscan_right=20' >> test.txt
[0:00] <SBeans> haha that did it
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[0:01] <SBeans> removing disable overscan
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> ooh,
[0:01] <SBeans> and it just fixed itself
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aha, sorted then!
[0:01] <SBeans> :/
[0:01] <SBeans> easy when you know how
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have that problem with component, it's a pain because I have the opposite problem with hdmi
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[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> *composite even
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[0:02] <trevorman> you need to adjust the overscan values not set disable_overscan
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not sure what to do with all this disk space now??? I must have just quadrupled the power footprint of my Pi
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> apt-get install *all the things* ?
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, any noticable speed improvements?
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[0:05] <mjr> some of the things conflict ;)
[0:06] <SBeans> trying to install lxde
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[0:06] <SBeans> did pacman -S lxde
[0:06] <SBeans> and then ...
[0:07] <SBeans> error: failed to commit transaction (unexpected error)
[0:07] <SBeans> Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
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[0:07] <chnops_rpi> woo
[0:08] <chnops_rpi> it's amazing how much fun I can have asctually using my rpi as a pc with vim+gcc+man/links2/irssi :D
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't like unexpected errors
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> at least with expected errors you have time to prepare
[0:08] <SBeans> now the mirrors are 404 ing
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> (what a silly error message)
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[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> did you pacman -Syu ?
[0:09] <chnops_rpi> what API can I use to find the dimensions of the framebuffer? I've been writing random crap to /dev/fb0, but I'd like to not hardcode the dimensions I'm using currently which are just a guess
[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> "kde-full" !?
[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha
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[0:10] <SBeans> any ideas?
[0:11] <chnops_rpi> oh I found the linux kernel docs for framebuffer, I guess that's what I need
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[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, did you 'pacman -Syu' first?
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[0:13] <SBeans> ShiftPlusOne: just doing it now
[0:13] <SBeans> mmy brain is about 5mins out of sync with fingers
[0:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder what happens if I run a debian arm qemu image in qemu on the arm Pi
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> you're gonna have a bad time, mkay
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> armarm for your arm in your arm!
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[0:21] <IT_Sean> Gadgetoid_Air, that MIGHT Cause the universe to implode.
[0:21] <IT_Sean> So, please, don't try it for a couple of weeks, as next weekend is a three day weekend, and my birthday. Mmkay? thanks.
[0:22] <carldani> ooh nice, apparently I can get a 5 MP camera module with CSI interface on ebay for 5 EUR (incl. S&H)
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[0:22] <carldani> that camers would be ideal for the Pi from a price and feature perspective
[0:23] <carldani> camera, even
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[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> interesting, qemu-system-arm balks on -nographic
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> balks?
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> balks how?
[0:26] <D34TH> bork?
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> qemu-system-arm: malloc.c:3097: sYSMALLOc:
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Long assertion fail'd
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> is that running on pi or not?
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yes
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Balk: Hesitate or be unwilling to accept an idea or undertaking
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> "a ridge of land left unplowed as a dividing line or through carelessness"
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[0:28] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/20/updated-raspberry-pi-kernel/
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> !?
[0:28] <bootc> I've updated my kernel to 3.2.17 with some extra patches and my SPI + I2C drivers. Enjoy!
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: lovely :D thanks
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wont have boiled down to rpi-update yet?
[0:29] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: I don't think Dom is interested in other forks for the moment, certainly not a 3.2 update
[0:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Boo, I might give it a try anyway??? although pain could ensue
[0:30] <bootc> but my 3.2 kernel does incorporate all the latest patches from the official kernel
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[0:30] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: what we're also working on in the sidelines is a mainline merge, currently based off 3.4
[0:30] <bootc> but it's not ready for general consumption yet
[0:31] <bootc> (the SDHCI/eMMC and USB both don't work right now)
[0:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think I might regret dpkg -i'ing this :D
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[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, cp /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.17-rpi1+ /boot/kernel.img ?
[0:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aha, yeaahhs
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[0:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> not sure if hexxehs firmware is new enough to support this, but I guess I'll find out when I reboot :D
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[0:37] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: yep, if you're using the official Debian image that goes into /boot
[0:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> wheee, rebooting
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, how come no first32k.bin needed? Something you patched manually or just a part of 3.2?
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[0:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm??? hanging??? or??? not sure
[0:42] <UnderSampled|tab> doesn't extra distance get rid of DoF?
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[0:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Zoooooooooom :D
[0:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn, failing to boot, probably because my firmware is slightly out of date
[0:45] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: yeah, try the official firmware I linked to, or just prepend the first32k.bin
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[0:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: simple as cat first32k.bin blahblah >> kernel.img presumably?
[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, doesn't cat create line break? use imagetool-uncompressed.py
[0:47] <SBeans> im running arch, just installed lxdm
[0:47] <SBeans> followed the guide, everything looking good
[0:47] <SBeans> *lxde
[0:47] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: just one >
[0:47] <SBeans> and using the windows manager: lxdm
[0:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Err, yeah
[0:47] <SBeans> but not surea bout starting it :/
[0:47] <bootc> cat first32k.bin /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.17-rpi1+ /boot/kernel.img
[0:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> thanks :D
[0:48] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: no, cat doesn't change the files, it's binary safe
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[0:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, thanks... I've been avoiding using it.
[0:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> cat, your neighbourhood free file joining utility
[0:49] <SBeans> starting display manager... DONE
[0:49] <SBeans> but nothing occurs
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[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, one more question. When you say you linked against some firmware... how doe that work, if I am about to compile from the github source you provided, are there any special steps or just build as usual?
[0:50] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: I didn't link against the firmware
[0:50] <bootc> but the new firmware has an added feature that means you don't need the first32k.bin, that's all
[0:51] <bootc> (actually it has a lot more but we're not using it properly yet)
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I parsed what you said wrong, my mistake
[0:51] <bootc> np
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> does it have to be vmlinux or will zImage and Image work as well?
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> *vmlinuz
[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> Is it actually possible to create a directional EMP way?
[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[0:52] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: Debian installs the zImage as /boot/vmlinuz
[0:52] <bootc> so if you're building your own, use the zImage
[0:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ah thanks again
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> hmm, pi not happy about booting
[0:55] <hamitron> well, it isn't a football
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> haaai!
[0:55] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: got a 3.3V FTDI cable to hand?
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: It's probably got more to do with my dodgy SD card and dodgy external hard drive configuration
[0:56] <bootc> :-)
[0:57] <bootc> if you could get at the UART it should tell you lots of interesting boot messages, including hopefully something about why it's not booting
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, would that work with the kexec issue too? Does the kernel get that far along?
[0:59] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: the kexec issue is something inside vcore I think
[0:59] <Simon-> no
[0:59] <Simon-> the kexec issue is in the power management
[0:59] <bootc> yeah Simon- knows more about this :-)
[0:59] <Simon-> bootc: write a 0 to the power management mailbox on boot
[0:59] <Simon-> the problem is that it tries to turn usb and the sd card on but they're already on - so it doesn't respond
[1:00] <bootc> Simon-: ahh, so how early should that happen?
[1:00] <bootc> in the mach init code?
[1:00] <Simon-> do it in the power module init function
[1:00] <bootc> worth a look later in the week then
[1:00] <Simon-> this usb driver is extremely bad
[1:00] <Simon-> the memory debugging is going crazy
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, might be worth sharing your wisdom here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
[1:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, mine's just refusing to boot now
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[1:03] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: :-(
[1:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Best change it back to sd, it doesn't like booting off the hard drive much
[1:03] <Simon-> bootc: http://s85.org/aygDp9tm:view :(
[1:04] <Simon-> ShiftPlusOne: the solution is to use my kernel ;)
[1:04] <bootc> Simon-: pretty :-)
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, oh, you got around the kexec thing?
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> where can I find this kernel
[1:05] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: be warned, Simon-'s kernel is 3.4-based and requires device tree and USB and SDHCI don't work :-)
[1:06] <bootc> (unless something has changed in the last few minutes)
[1:06] <Simon-> and the bootloader still doesn't modify device tree yet
[1:06] <Simon-> and you need a kexec that supports device tree too
[1:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yup, it's definitely the HDD boot it doesn't like
[1:06] <bootc> ah yeah that too
[1:06] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: I'll do what Simon- suggested tomorrow and let you know
[1:06] <Simon-> bootc: I added a patch to https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, thanks =D
[1:07] <bootc> heh that's simple enough
[1:07] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: well you have a patch now, give it a go yourself if you like :-)
[1:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, my hard drive had crashed
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> will do
[1:08] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: note that you'll need that patch in the kernel you're trying to kexec into
[1:08] <bootc> shouldn't matter for the kexec host kernel
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> would be nice if it was the other way around... make kexec turn off power down usb and the sd card first?
[1:10] <Simon-> my code has better logic
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> is that doable?
[1:11] <Simon-> and in theory they added a "query" option
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[1:11] <Simon-> although if that's not present it just powers everything off
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, do you have a blog or something to follow?
[1:11] <Simon-> just follow github
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> you being lp0?
[1:11] <Simon-> yes
[1:12] <Simon-> the supplied usb driver is unusable
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[1:12] * Simon- needs to find another one
[1:12] <Simon-> I wouldn't trust that driver with usb, you're risking data corruption
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[1:13] <sraue> bootc, how "safe" is it to use your kernel (for openelec)?
[1:13] <bootc> sraue: well, I don't use the framebuffer and OGL and that stuff myself
[1:14] <bootc> so it should be 'safe', but it may or may not work - it certainly won't make your Pi go up in smoke
[1:14] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: I just realised why it didn't work with your hard disk boot
[1:14] <bootc> I've compiled the USB driver as modules...
[1:14] <Simon-> :)
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> D'oh!
[1:15] <bootc> :-)
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[1:15] <sraue> bootc, but if it works... i have your support, also with picking up further patches which will be included in the official 3.1?
[1:16] <bootc> sraue: I'm happy to help you debug and happy to add patches to my kernel to fix things, yes
[1:16] <bootc> though at this point it's 00:15 and I have work tomorrow, so I need to go to bed! :-D
[1:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: same here, eep
[1:16] <sraue> great, then i will try this :-) and let you know if it works
[1:17] <bootc> sraue: that would be great
[1:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Reading bootup messages from a low definition 7" screen is a whole world of pain
[1:17] <sraue> thanks much, bootc
[1:17] <bootc> just leave me messages here on IRC and I'll pick them up tomorrow, or email me - my address is at the bottom of my blog
[1:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think the hard disk boot actually takes longer than SD
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[1:18] <bootc> I expect it should work just fine tho
[1:18] <bootc> anyway, nn all :-)
[1:18] <Simon-> sraue: the 3.1 branch is a dead end really
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what's CONFIG_PHYS_OFFSET meant to be?
[1:18] <Simon-> 0
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[1:19] <sraue> simon i know, thats why i dont want 3.1
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[1:19] <Simon-> if you don't need usb or sd you can use my kernel
[1:20] <Simon-> although that makes it quite useless
[1:20] <sraue> simon- thanks but i need booth...
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[1:20] <sraue> but you have a bit time to integrate this until openelec will be updated to 3.4
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[1:21] <Simon-> 3.4 will be released without any rpi support
[1:21] <Simon-> the chances of getting into 3.5 are low
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[1:21] <Simon-> although that depends on how many non-arch changes are required
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[1:23] <sraue> Simon- i mean the next weeks we upgrade to 3.4 but for RPi we are using a different kernel version
[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, bootc's kernel doesn't seem to have the "Broadcom BCM2708 family" system type. O_o
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, any chance you could send me his /proc/config.gz ?
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[1:31] <Simon-> bootc: the usb driver is going *nowhere*
[1:31] <Simon-> v16 is just more attempts to refactor the original code
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[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, ignore that. got it with extract-ikconfig
[1:37] <Jumper_01> Has anyone had luck finding a good power supply in the US? I'm using an HP Touchpad charger (supposed to be 5.3V, 2A) and a 24AWG USB cable, powered hub, and whenever I start an x server, my ethernet drops out with kevent 4 errors.... Which I assume is a power issue.
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: whowhatwhenwhere? ah
[1:38] <SBeans> xorg issues :/
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Jumper_01, I don't think it's the power supply, hang on.
[1:38] <IT_Sean> 2A? not a PSU issue.
[1:38] <SBeans> failing to load modules fbdev and glx
[1:39] <Jumper_01> I tried another IRC channel overnight in console mode and that stayed connected all night no problem
[1:39] <Jumper_01> latest firmware with the updater
[1:40] <Jumper_01> and the debian squeeze image
[1:40] <SBeans> ideas for module issues?
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Jumper_01, make sure you have the latest everything and have a browse through here https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[1:41] <SBeans> or anyone got lxdm working?
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> in particular "For those who are able to reproduce, does adding vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 to /etc/sysctl.conf or smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to /boot/cmdline.txt alleviate the issue?"
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, yeah, works fine for me
[1:41] <Jumper_01> ShiftPlusOne: Excellent, I'm stranded in an airport right now without my Pi but I'll try it out and report back on that bug
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[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
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[1:43] <Jumper_01> Oh - I also connected to an x server over VNC vis Ethernet with no USB devices plugged into the Pi, and that seemed to work okay with respect to Ethernet. Which is why I was thinking it might still be power somehow
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[1:43] <D34TH> http://i.imgur.com/5LV1w.gif
[1:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah I've had plenty of 'power problems' which weren't power problems at all
[1:43] <D34TH> whoops
[1:43] <D34TH> wrong tab
[1:43] <Jumper_01> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[1:44] <Jumper_01> oops
[1:44] <Jumper_01> Yeah I think there is some software work left to do, I'm trying to figure out how best to help since I actually have a Pi
[1:45] <SBeans> ShiftPlusOne: did you just follow the tutorial
[1:45] <SBeans> I must have missed something
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, no, just by experience.
[1:45] <Simon-> rewrite the whole usb driver?
[1:46] <SBeans> ShiftPlusOne: how do you start it
[1:46] <SBeans> does it have to be done at login?#
[1:47] <SBeans> ive never setup a windows manager before
[1:47] <SBeans> used gentoo with just cli and ubuntu :/
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[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I have xorg-xinit installed and I have startlxde in ~/.xinitrc
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> so then I just startx
[1:48] <SBeans> hmm my xorg wont start
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[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> did you 'pacman -S xorg' and install everything there?
[1:50] <SBeans> hmm
[1:50] <SBeans> possibly not
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> go through /var/log/Xorg.log or whatever it's called and check that everything is right there
[1:51] <SBeans> all 65
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, everything
[1:51] <SBeans> yea well it says it couldnt open some modules
[1:51] <SBeans> so im installing everything
[1:51] <SBeans> I went down the rc.conf route to start
[1:51] <SBeans> whats the advantages/disadvantages
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> what's that route? does it autostart?
[1:52] <SBeans> well, its suppose to
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[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well there's a disadvantage... until we have the accelerated X driver, I'd stick to the command line
[1:53] <SBeans> the wiki says you can do inittab or daemon methods of autostart
[1:53] <SBeans> your method is to create/edit the .xinitrc
[1:53] <SBeans> ?
[1:54] <SBeans> I guess my first issue is not installing all of xorg
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't like autostart, so I wouldn't do it that way, but that's just me
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[1:55] <SBeans> i.e. you can either edit inittab or add the lxdm deamon to rc.conf
[1:55] <SBeans> thats fair, I dont really like auto starting much
[1:55] <Tachyon`> can't you just disable gdm
[1:55] <Tachyon`> if X is autostarting
[1:56] <SBeans> well im not using gdm
[1:56] <SBeans> im trying to use lxdm
[1:56] <Tachyon`> oh, okay
[1:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I believe that's the rc.conf method in arch
[1:56] * Tachyon` is used to debian (and puzzled as to why that wasn't the main distribution for the pi)
[1:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, it's not considered beginner friendly
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[1:57] <SBeans> im used to gentoo, I fully understand why it;s not the main distro for po ;)
[1:57] <Tachyon`> ahh
[1:57] <SBeans> *pi
[1:57] <ShiftPlusOne> they are going out of they way to accomodate people who haven't touched linux in their lives and they think debian is the way to go
[1:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm writing my own prettyprint syntax highlighting for arm asm??? painful
[1:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> asm is hard to highlight :(
[1:57] <Tachyon`> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tus-musium-eclipse-kagura-test01
[1:57] <Tachyon`> something is eating the sun
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh is that the annular eclipse stream? that's now?
[1:58] <plugwash> yeah debian is unfairly perceived as unfriendly
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[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> You guys get a proper eclipse and all we get is a venus transit >=/
[1:59] <Tachyon`> it's now, yes
[1:59] <Tachyon`> if you want to see all of it, there's an american stream, http://www.ustream.tv/solareclipse
[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[2:00] <SBeans> think x is ok now
[2:00] <SBeans> cant find xterm
[2:00] <SBeans> but thats fine
[2:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you can figure out why
[2:01] <Tachyon`> I don't get any eclipse at all
[2:01] <Tachyon`> I'm in York
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[2:01] <SBeans> oooo
[2:01] <SBeans> I think im there
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[2:02] <SBeans> wow a cursor
[2:02] <SBeans> but thats all I have
[2:02] <SBeans> black screen and a cursor
[2:02] <Tachyon`> oh, you're on the wrong VT
[2:02] <SBeans> oooo were in
[2:02] <SBeans> it was just taking its time
[2:02] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:02] <SBeans> and I was being a impatient ian
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[2:04] <SBeans> awesome
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[2:04] <SBeans> how do i open a terminal from lxdm
[2:04] <SBeans> *lxde
[2:05] <huene> theres a "terminal" in the "start menu" under "others" iirc
[2:05] <SBeans> lxterminal
[2:05] <SBeans> I see
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[2:08] <SBeans> what web browers have you guys used/tried
[2:08] <SBeans> ?
[2:08] <ShiftPlusOne> midori seems like the way to go
[2:08] <Jumper_01> I tried Midori on the Debian Squeeze image but even my ethernet issues nonwithstanding it seemed pretty darn slow.
[2:09] <Jumper_01> and it seems to peg the CPU all the time
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> then elinks
[2:10] <Jumper_01> I've seen comments that it's better on Arch, and on the Debian Hard Float version that is being worked on.
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[2:11] <SBeans> cool im now ssh'd to server from pi
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[2:11] <SBeans> so cans opcrzy switchng btween all the windows, scren, mice, keyboards monitors ....
[2:12] <SBeans> is elinks a gui browser?
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
[2:12] <SBeans> thoght not
[2:12] <SBeans> *thought
[2:12] <SBeans> I se links often
[2:12] <SBeans> does the job
[2:13] <SBeans> and lynx scares teh bajeesus out of me
[2:13] <SBeans> n th pi, on a tv, is far to muc lke tletext
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> links2 has some basic gui support I think
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> not pretty though
[2:13] <SBeans> *teletext
[2:13] <SBeans> hmm
[2:13] <SBeans> suppose ff chrome and safari arnt really options
[2:14] <SBeans> wow there is a nice amoon the pi when installing bunch of stuff
[2:14] <SBeans> I love this
[2:14] <SBeans> so much fun
[2:15] <Jumper_01> There is a browser that people have said is lighter weight then Midori.... NetFront?
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find anything by that name in the arch repos
[2:15] <Jumper_01> no
[2:16] <Tachyon`> eclipse will start on http://www.ustream.tv/star-gazers-eclipse any minute now...
[2:16] <Jumper_01> netsurf
[2:16] <Jumper_01> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
[2:16] <ShiftPlusOne> downloading now
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> looks pretty damn light
[2:18] <Jumper_01> it's not in Debian Squeeze so I have not tried it myself, but I saw someone in the Debian Hard Float (Which is wheezy) mention it - there is a version that renders directly into the framebuffer so you don't even need x
[2:18] <SBeans> oening google
[2:18] <SBeans> love having a gupi now
[2:18] <SBeans> Graphical User Pi Interface
[2:19] <Jumper_01> okay, plane is going to board soon. I am sure I will be around here some more. thanks for the advice on the ethernet issues!
[2:19] <SBeans> midori just crashes
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[2:20] <SBeans> good luck Jumper_01
[2:20] <SBeans> ol
[2:20] <SBeans> lol
[2:20] <SBeans> ShiftPlusOne: thanks for your help
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries
[2:20] <SBeans> I should almost certainly sleep now, theres real life work prgoramming to be done tomorrow
[2:21] <SBeans> its nice to be all set up on the Pi now tho
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[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> gah, I can't figure out what's going on in bootc's kernel source... where's all the pi-specific stuff?
[2:30] <SBeans> vov
[2:30] <SBeans> (no idea)
[2:30] <SBeans> um, whats the game people have been playing on the pi?
[2:30] <SBeans> quake or somethign?
[2:31] <ShiftPlusOne> well yeah, quake is one of them
[2:31] <SBeans> ive got openttd working
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, how can you tell when you should use overscan_ vs framebuffer
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[2:32] <SBeans> also media player?
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> omxplayer works great
[2:34] <SBeans> is it bad that ive aliased pacman -S as emerge
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[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, it should clearly be emerge -vat
[2:34] <SBeans> haha
[2:34] <SBeans> is there a -pv for pacman
[2:34] <SBeans> i.e. verbose and pretend
[2:34] <SBeans> ?
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't forget to do pacman -Syu as emerge -uDNavt world
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> but I don't know check 'man pacman'
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[2:35] <SBeans> yea will do
[2:35] <SBeans> also is the omxplayer in the repo
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> don't think so
[2:36] <r00t|home> archlinux is so useless...
[2:36] <SBeans> figures
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's not noob friendly
[2:36] <SBeans> raspbery pis are pretty usless
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> idk
[2:36] <SBeans> but its 0135 and im sat here running one on the other
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi makes an okay media center.
[2:36] <r00t|home> ShiftPlusOne: i'm not talking about noobs
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:36] <SBeans> having quite a lot of fun
[2:37] <SBeans> i want gentoo so I can be forced in compiling everything exactl right first time, everytime
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[2:37] <SBeans> I assume ill get bored after emerge sudo
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[2:37] <SBeans> although I dont actuall sudo, I just su my way though life
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[2:37] <SBeans> su .... make me a sandich
[2:38] <IT_Sean> make your own bloody sandwich
[2:38] <SBeans> No command found sandich, did you mean sandwich
[2:38] <r00t|home> xkcd used sudo there...
[2:38] <SBeans> idd
[2:38] <SBeans> the "..." was meant to represent me loging into the su first
[2:38] <SBeans> and then running the command
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[2:39] <r00t|home> make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop
[2:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Added a bit about assembly: http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
[2:40] <SBeans> anyone got a link for omxplayer for arch'?
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[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> SBeans, http://seyrsnys.myzen.co.uk/rpi/omxplayer-bin.tar.xz
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> make sure you read the readme
[2:41] <IT_Sean> sudo su
[2:41] <IT_Sean> [passwprd]
[2:41] <IT_Sean> get me a cookie
[2:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm quite pleased with my asm syntax highlighting, it's not perfect but it's better than nowt
[2:42] <shaulkr> Gadgetoid_Air: For what editor is it?
[2:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> shaulkr: it's for web based display
[2:43] <shaulkr> oh
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[2:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> shaulkr: It would crash and burn for any editor use, it doesn't cover much, yet, I'll just expand it as I go with new keywords, edgecases and such
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> good work
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[2:44] * ShiftPlusOne hands Gadgetoid_Air IT_Sean's cookie.
[2:45] <IT_Sean> hmm...
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, would overclocking help any with the CPU load?
[2:45] <IT_Sean> that... wasn't supposed to happen
[2:45] <shaulkr> Did anyone else try ntfs-3g on a Pi?
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[2:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: probably
[2:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Anyway, sleepy time! night night fellows
[2:45] <shaulkr> Mine seems to get caught in a kernel oops loop everytime I do anything heavy
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, yes, setting it to 800 makes a noticable difference.
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[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> shaulkr, I haven't tried but I am 100% sure it will work just fine.
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming it's in the kernel or you're willing to compile youre own
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[2:47] <shaulkr> It's user mode...
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I'll try that, might help with some of the slowness in openelec... though it does seem to be completely ignoring my config.txt .-.
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> shaulkr, i meant fuse, but also yeah, I was thinking of kernel's ntfs write support, my mistake.
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[2:48] <shaulkr> vm.min_free_kbytes upped the max i/o limit, but it still happens with heavy i/o
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[2:50] <IT_Sean> wb
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Yep... this build is completely ignoring config.txt
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[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> What reads config.txt?
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Would that be the OS or the Kernel?
[2:56] <shirro> config.txt is read by the bootloader
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... cause this setup I'm using now is ignoring it completely as far as I can tell .-.
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[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, are you sure it's not just overriding hdmi_mode?
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> or some other resolution related options
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> It could be I guess.
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[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> I don't know how to check.
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[3:02] <ShiftPlusOne> well what makes you say it's ignoring config.txt?
[3:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'm playing with openelec and the screens too big inside XBMC...
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> try changing the resolution within xbmc
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> So I figured I'd try using overscan to adjust it at boot, yet nothing is changing.
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> or calibrate within xbmc
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> Video Calibration only fixes the problem during that session.
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> If I reboot it goes back to the old setting.
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> and you have a proper storage partition?
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> Yup.
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[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> and disk= is pointing to it in cmdline.txt?
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[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> well then
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> no clue
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> This may be an xbmc issue.
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> -goes and scours the interwebs-
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> could ask in #xmbc-rpi and #openelec, but I think those people are already in here.
[3:06] <captWheeto> Anyone know why my mpd isn't producing any sound? I'm arch. Everything works, I can see the file playing, mpg123 makes sound
[3:07] <captWheeto> Do I have to force it to play over the 3.5mm?
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like a bad mpd config
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> You have to enable alsa I think.
[3:07] <captWheeto> Bleh. I enabled alsa. And left it at that
[3:08] <captWheeto> Should I change the optional bits?
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't tried it on pi, but mpd was very picky on my pc
[3:09] <captWheeto> Silly mpd
[3:09] <captWheeto> I'll have a fiddle
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder which would be easier, setting up XBMC on a debian distro or a full blown webserver on a openelec distro -goes and ponders-
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[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> openelec isn't very friendly for customization =/
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> So I've noticed.
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[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I was referred to this http://openelec.tv/forum/20-development-discussion/15752-how-to-make-openelec-addon-on-mumudvb-sample
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> I actually found a post that described a way to edit the system file.
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Was thinking I'd give that a try.
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[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that would probably be the easier, dirtier method
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> I could probably install xbmc easier on debian... the real question would be how well it runs...
[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I expect openelec to be a much more lighter alternative.... we don't have that much ram to play with
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> Yea. That is the issue. But it'd be nice not to have to switch back and forth between both just to have my Media Center + More
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[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> Well I found how to fix my screen problem -.-
[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> The issue is apparently I can't modify the file.
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[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> Duh... root access .-.
[3:29] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> For some reason..... this is the overscan setting <overscan> <left>0</left> <top>0</top> <right>1280</right> <bottom>720</bottom> </overscan>
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[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> What are good overclocking frequencies?
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[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> 800
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[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... this version of openelec is rewriting guisettings.xml everytime it boots.
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[3:58] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, what if dont reboot, if you simply unplug the power?
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[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> It still resets the video calibration, it's not properly being saved to the file.
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> I tried editing the file manually in linux on my desktop and when I put it back in it replaced all the saved settings.
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[4:03] <abhatnag> back with an issue; my script tag in a jade template includes a url with an ampersand in it. This is being rendered as &amp; in the frontend causing the URL to break. any guidance?
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> I seriously need to build a pi power switch... lol
[4:07] <abhatnag> wow, wrong channel. sorry.
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[4:10] <sraue> build two, which can be controlled via a one or two button RF remote (one button for power, one to reset)then i will take one
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[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it'd just be easier to build that into a power source than something that sits between the pi and the cord...
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[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> even the latest build from here http://www.numan1617.com/rpi/openelec/builds/
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> has this issue .-.
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[4:13] <sraue> wow he builds often...
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[4:13] <sraue> then i dont must do this :-)
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> Daily Builds, yea.
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[4:21] <Syliss> what class is everyone using for their pi? i got a $25 ebay gc that i need to use so I'm buying a card and hdmi cable for it
[4:21] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using class 10 Kingston....
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Or it's suppose to be anyways.
[4:22] <Syliss> i was thinking of either c 6 or 10
[4:22] <Syliss> lol
[4:22] <Syliss> what size?
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> 8GB
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> 8gb kingston class 10 here
[4:23] <Syliss> I'm currently using a sandisk class 2 8gb. buts its also micro
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[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> If I had a better understanding of coding and figuring out where somethings broken... I'd fix this damn Vid Calibration issue -.-
[4:24] <Syliss> uh oh
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[4:58] <Syliss> i think i need to make a usb battery pack and try it on the pi
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone else rocking OpenElec want to tell me how the hulu performs for them?
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[5:04] <jamesglanville> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270981352572 if anyone wants a 3d printed case in pink/red/black/blue/purple :)
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[5:05] <Syliss> I'm going to make one from legos
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> well... kexec seems to be working with Simon-'s patch
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't set the hdmi_mode properly though
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[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> jamesglanville, my lego case is about 4-5 dollars cheaper :p
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> I've already ordered all the parts for it too, just waiting for them to arrive so I can make sure all the specs are right.
[5:08] <Syliss> cool
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[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> I basically recreated the one on the blog page. lol
[5:08] <Syliss> ugh i don't want to compile openelec
[5:09] <Syliss> I'm going to add clear pieces to mine
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[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> lol I made mine all black, but it probably wouldn't be hard to replace them clear pieces.
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[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, I think you might know this.. is there a way to override hdmi_mode and set your own?
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> (in userspace)
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> or as a kernel parameter
[5:15] <jamesglanville> GabrialDestruir: well, hmph :P
[5:15] <jamesglanville> GabrialDestruir: I'm going to be using mine to drive a reprap, so it's ideal for me to have one I can just print attachments for it
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Mines legos....
[5:16] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Whenever I have an attachment I just have to build into it :p
[5:16] <Syliss> lol
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Syliss, key word being override. I meant ignore what's in config.txt and set your own.
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[5:17] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: you can by setting it
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> For OpenElec?
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> Cause so far it just seems OpenElec likes to ignore config.txt
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Syliss, Either I am stupid or you're not understanding me.
[5:18] <Syliss> you are stupid
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[5:18] <Syliss> lol
[5:18] <Syliss> you want it to be set to a certain res correct?
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> say you have hdmi_mode=something in config.txt... and you want to keep that in config.txt... but you want to use a different hdmi_mode to what's in config.txt
[5:19] <Syliss> just change it
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ....
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> without touching config.txt...
[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> that's kind of the key there...
[5:19] <Syliss> you cant
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[5:20] <Syliss> you have to change it in the config file
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Syliss, in other words you don't know.
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[5:20] <Syliss> you only get 1 mode
[5:20] <Syliss> because the config file tells the gpu what to do before it reaches the cpu
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[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, and I am sure there might be a kernel parameter or a way to override it in *userspace*
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> kind of like openelec seems to do
[5:21] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> OpenElec appears to completely ignore config.txt
[5:22] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: which os are you using?
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> on the pi or my pc?
[5:22] <Syliss> pi
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> archlinux
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[5:24] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: maybe just add in multiple settings in the config file?
[5:25] <Syliss> i haven't had the chance to mod it yet in mine
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> nope
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[5:30] <Syliss> are you using it on different monitors?
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[5:31] <Syliss> hmm
[5:32] <Syliss> ugh i hate compiling
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> I have no way to figure out what's causing the lag with hulu .-.
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> Then don't compile?
[5:32] <Syliss> im not
[5:33] <Syliss> I'm dling an img of openelec
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> Once you have a proper layout, just use the builds from the dude who builds daily
[5:33] <Syliss> yeah
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[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> Try the hulu plugin once you've got it working, please? Trying to figure out of the lag I'm experiencing with it is just Pi lag, or caused by my SD card
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> or something else all together.
[5:42] <Syliss> okie dokie
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[6:02] <jardiamj> with OpenBox my RPi runs very smoothly...
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[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> arm11 is armv6, right?
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[6:25] <DaQatz> ShiftPlusOne, As far as I know yes.
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[6:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, google agrees, thanks
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[6:52] <GabrialDestruir> I think my tv is dying o.O
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[6:54] <GabrialDestruir> The high def looks.... standard
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[9:55] <Hourd> morning
[9:56] <GabrialDestruir> When did it get so hard to find decent torrents of tv shows? .-.
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[10:05] <Hydrazine> 'morning
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[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[10:15] <Hourd> GabrialDestruir: since you shouldn't? :P
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[10:21] <Veryevil> morning
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[10:35] <teh_orph> what up, yo
[10:35] <Veryevil> morning
[10:35] <Anppa> is it out yet?
[10:35] <teh_orph> is what out yet?
[10:35] <Veryevil> Can us mear mortals try it?
[10:36] <teh_orph> nah not yet
[10:36] <teh_orph> I've found some bugs which corrupt certain programs
[10:36] <teh_orph> graphically
[10:36] <Veryevil> oh right
[10:37] <teh_orph> also been put in contact with other people doing related work
[10:37] <teh_orph> so that's good too
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[10:38] <Veryevil> yeah. I just cannot wait till I can get an Accelerated web browser
[10:38] <teh_orph> I still can't load one :-(
[10:38] <Veryevil> why not?
[10:38] <teh_orph> which distro do you use?
[10:38] <Veryevil> ive used both debian
[10:39] <teh_orph> which browser do you use with debian?
[10:39] <Veryevil> chrome
[10:39] <Veryevil> iceweasel
[10:39] <teh_orph> chrome, really?
[10:39] <Veryevil> yeah the one in the repo is old
[10:40] <teh_orph> ah
[10:40] <Veryevil> but it works
[10:40] <teh_orph> hmm maybe I'll bust that out later
[10:40] <teh_orph> arch is starting to wear me out
[10:40] <Veryevil> stock debian is very stable
[10:41] <teh_orph> do you have to set it up with the repo urls?
[10:41] <teh_orph> apt-get install <xyz> did FA for me
[10:42] <Anppa> haha, RS site says "The Raspberry Pi model B board is supplied as the board only, and comes without memory"
[10:42] <teh_orph> certainly does come without memory!
[10:42] <des2> That explaines all the trouble...
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[11:12] <friggle> yeah, squeeze chromium is actually pretty good
[11:13] <teh_orph> which version is it?
[11:13] <Veryevil> 18?
[11:14] <teh_orph> wikipedia says that's March '12
[11:14] <teh_orph> I thought the debian pi version was like ~3 or something?
[11:14] <friggle> no it's way old
[11:14] <friggle> teh_orph: 6
[11:14] <friggle> and unfortunately the wheezy chromium isn't built for armel
[11:14] <teh_orph> Sept '10
[11:16] <Veryevil> yeah ok its 6
[11:17] <Veryevil> wheezy has 17
[11:17] <Veryevil> in armhf
[11:17] <Veryevil> inface 18 for all
[11:17] <Veryevil> http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium-browser
[11:17] <teh_orph> who maintains the packages for the rpi debian? (softfp)
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[11:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Time to have another crack at compiling NodeJS
[11:18] <friggle> teh_orph: Debian upstream
[11:19] <friggle> teh_orph: we'll soon be moving to wheezy though
[11:19] <teh_orph> so when will they update the package versions of eg the browser?
[11:19] <friggle> they won't, squeeze is fixed
[11:19] <teh_orph> I see
[11:19] <friggle> but the standard rpi distro will be wheezy soon which has newer versions of most things
[11:20] <teh_orph> out of interest, what if there's a vulnerability in one of the squeeze packages?
[11:20] <friggle> teh_orph: then the Debian devs backport the security fix
[11:20] <friggle> generally speaking
[11:20] <friggle> so you can often end up with a big delta vs the upstream package
[11:20] <friggle> on the other hand, you get (in theory) extreme stability
[11:21] <teh_orph> I really need to read about this stuff...and git!
[11:21] <teh_orph> maybe call in sick for the week
[11:22] <friggle> teh_orph: :)
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Amazing how much the RPi can prompt you to learn
[11:22] <teh_orph> it's true - I've learned a ton already
[11:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've learned stupid things I should have learned ages ago, like proper SSH configuration and how to use GNU screen
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[11:23] <friggle> I've learned that Debian rocks
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I managed about 20 linux servers and never got 'round to properly setting up my ~/.ssh/config
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've always been a Debian fan :D
[11:24] <Veryevil> Its always been debian for me
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, I wonder if a 2.5" drive will leave enough space in a desktop enclosure to squeeze a Pi
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[11:27] <GabrialDestruir> How small of a desktop enclosure are you talking about?
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[11:36] <drmickhead> has anyone had any luck setting up rtorrent on a debian image?
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Well now I have a 250GB hard drive attached, I think I might torrent random linux ISOs just to annoy people :D
[11:38] <drmickhead> wait i got it working!
[11:38] <drmickhead> now i just need to conifugre it
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[11:40] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... the problem with torrents on the pi is I tend to use torrents for more shadey torrenting.
[11:41] <GabrialDestruir> Well that's the problem for me anyways.
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[11:45] <Simon-> bah
[11:46] <Simon-> if someone wants to do some image editing, the pin layout image on http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals is completely wrong
[11:46] <teh_orph> haha
[11:46] <Simon-> all the gpio numbers are wrong
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[11:46] <teh_orph> I found that image tough to work with myself :)
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[11:47] <Simon-> assuming the table is correct, it's just the gpio numbers that need to be fixed
[11:47] <teh_orph> also it's not clearly pointed out which place "top left" is
[11:47] <teh_orph> I couldn't figure out which way round to hold the device
[11:47] <Simon-> you put the logo upwards
[11:47] <Simon-> but it's not good
[11:47] <teh_orph> yeah I know that now!
[11:48] <teh_orph> felt like a right idiot
[11:48] <Simon-> of course you match the diagram to point the logo to the right
[11:48] <Simon-> they have a better version
[11:51] <Simon-> fixed now
[11:51] <teh_orph> that's much better
[11:52] <teh_orph> those GPIO pins were completely mis-labled!
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[11:54] <Simon-> i think these are all inverted
[11:54] <Simon-> if I configure it as "active low"
[11:54] <Simon-> and then put it low, value should be "1", right?
[11:54] <teh_orph> no idea, I was only interesting in the UART
[11:55] <Simon-> oh, it does go 1 when I make it low
[11:55] * Simon- works on irq support
[11:55] <teh_orph> what is it when high?
[11:57] <Simon-> don't ask me that
[11:57] * Simon- tries to think
[11:57] <Simon-> it defaults to active high, so 1
[11:58] <Simon-> although for some reason the ok led is active low
[11:58] * Simon- puts it into output mode to check that that's not inverted
[11:59] <Simon-> ok, active_low==0, value==1 is 3.3v
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[12:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, I think I need to set up a cross-compile environment, compiling on the Pi hurts :(
[12:39] <GabrialDestruir> Slow?
[12:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just a bit
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[12:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wow, I think Node might have successfully compiled
[12:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yup, finally!
[12:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Now to try and install Nodester for giggles
[12:48] <GabrialDestruir> I kind of want to route my TV through my pi and create a PVR type thing.... the issue is that the Pi and XBMCare so laggy currently .-.
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[12:53] <SStrife> morning
[12:53] <fALSO> lol pvr on the pi?
[12:54] <fALSO> writing hte data where?
[12:54] <fALSO> on SD CARD ?
[12:54] <fALSO> lol
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[12:56] <SpeedEvil> SD card is actually ideal for this use
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> It's designed for long sequential access.
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> 32G is quite enough for a time-shifting unit.
[12:56] <fALSO> the only problem is the speed
[12:57] <SStrife> USB HDD would be nicer
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Speed is not a problem.
[12:57] <SStrife> if you wanted to store recordings, that is
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> A megabyte a second is quite achievable.
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> read and write
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> and that's quite a high-end codec
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> You would require the 'GPU' to be doing the encoding though.
[12:59] <GabrialDestruir> Actually, as long you're not planning to store all your videos on the Pi even 8GBs would be enough
[12:59] <GabrialDestruir> export the file to NAS after it's done being captured.
[13:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or just hook up a stonking great USB hdd :D
[13:00] <GabrialDestruir> Or that too xD
[13:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I am dissapoint that USB sucks too much to make using an SSD with the Pi worthwhile
[13:01] <SStrife> i bought a powered USB hub today
[13:01] <SStrife> thinking it'd be great to power a USB HDD
[13:01] <SStrife> so I could get rootfs off the SD card
[13:01] <SStrife> it turned out to be the crappiest hub in the universe
[13:01] <GabrialDestruir> The only issue I have is that currently XBMC freaks out if you try to use any of the menus while playing something. So trying to play whatever is currently on TV while navigating the menus I couldn't see happening.
[13:02] <SStrife> I can run the USB HDD using a single USB port on my PC, but this hub can't run a USB HDD at all, even with the 3-way usb cable in use
[13:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SStrife: how many ports?
[13:02] <GabrialDestruir> Which is mostly what I want, a way to watch TV while hacking at things on my Pi
[13:02] <SStrife> 7
[13:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SStrife: I think the Pi + >4 port USB hubs might be a running theme of fail, might have to investigate
[13:03] <SStrife> if i plug in Pi, the power light dims when the CPU is in use, and the network doesn't power up
[13:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 7 port hubs usually have two controller chips identifying as 4 ports each
[13:03] <SStrife> this hub doesnt work on my PC though
[13:03] <SStrife> or my Mac
[13:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> A USB hub would be going out of spec if it provided enough power for the Pi...
[13:03] <SStrife> it's crap
[13:04] <SStrife> it should provide enough to run a HDD though, if you use one of those ones that uses 2 ports
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[13:04] <GabrialDestruir> Well technically it'd only need to supply power for the Pi itself, then for the additional hub ports.
[13:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> True, that, unless the power supply is underrate
[13:04] <SStrife> allegedly it's a 2A power supply
[13:04] <SStrife> but i doubt that
[13:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Only one way to find out, stick the end in your mouth!
[13:05] <GabrialDestruir> Since the Pi without a bunch energy hogging USB devices doesn't need more than 500mA there's no reason to believe that a regular powered hub shouldn't work.
[13:05] <SStrife> or maybe they're using the most horribly inefficient USB hub chips in the world
[13:05] <teh_orph> "tastes like 1.9A to me"
[13:05] <SStrife> haha
[13:05] <SStrife> in any case, it's a fail
[13:06] <SStrife> my 3.5" USB HDD thing works nicely though
[13:06] <SStrife> which it should, not being bus powered
[13:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm installing about half a ton of javascript madness on my Pi now, trying to get Nodester up and running
[13:06] <SStrife> i benched ioquake3 today
[13:06] <SStrife> armel vs armhf
[13:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ohrly?
[13:07] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4256&start=475
[13:07] <SStrife> last post
[13:07] <fALSO> lol node.js
[13:08] <teh_orph> how can you get Q3 out of 16-bit mode?
[13:08] <SStrife> if anyone's interested, the commands are "timedemo 1" then "demo four"
[13:08] <teh_orph> I used fbset -depth 32 and it still runs in 16-bit colour
[13:08] <GabrialDestruir> Oh.... someones logging the chats .-.
[13:09] <SStrife> teh_orph: I think the opengl_es driver ignores quake3's video settings
[13:09] <teh_orph> tut tut, and there's you talking about your torrenting...
[13:09] <SStrife> for resolution and bitdepth anyway
[13:09] <GabrialDestruir> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-05-21
[13:09] <SStrife> you can set r_mode to whatever you want in q3config.cfg
[13:10] <SStrife> and it will always use your LCD's native res
[13:10] <teh_orph> does it work?
[13:10] <SStrife> or 480p/576p/whatever composite mode is active
[13:10] <teh_orph> (as in the bit-depth changer)
[13:10] <SStrife> no
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[13:10] <teh_orph> :(
[13:11] <SStrife> either opengl_es or directfb ignore Quake's request for a resolution
[13:11] <teh_orph> watching the kernel logs,
[13:11] <SStrife> and reply with "You're using 1280x1024x16, now go away"
[13:11] <teh_orph> if you change the framebuffer to 32 bit before hand
[13:11] <SStrife> yes
[13:11] <SStrife> that would probably work
[13:11] <teh_orph> you can see in the kernel logs that q3 just changes it back
[13:11] <SStrife> oh?
[13:11] <SStrife> hm
[13:12] <GabrialDestruir> I can'tseem to find any other mentions of interface slow down or video slow down when it comes to raspberry pi and OpenElec
[13:12] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[13:12] <teh_orph> however, 3D goes onto a different render surface (in front of the fb) so perhaps the bit depth needs to be wiggled elsewhere
[13:12] <SStrife> in any case, 40% framerate boost going from soft float to hard float
[13:12] <SStrife> yea, i expect it can be done, somehow
[13:13] <teh_orph> well that tallies with this
[13:13] <teh_orph> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Results
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[13:15] <SStrife_> cool
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[13:15] <steve_rox> hmm i read they are makeing a "camera module" for the pi
[13:16] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[13:16] <GabrialDestruir> but according to the post it'll be with a quality less than the 14MP camera they were using to show off Camera capabilities.
[13:16] <steve_rox> well costs will be mad if they go high
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yea they're trying to keep it affordable.
[13:17] <steve_rox> brower conviently stops responding when im trying to read about it
[13:17] <steve_rox> fckign ssd
[13:18] <dmsuse> they have already said it'll be a 5mp
[13:18] <GabrialDestruir> That's not that bad.
[13:19] <GabrialDestruir> Same as a cell phone.
[13:19] <steve_rox> my mobile phone is not even that ;-)
[13:19] <steve_rox> but then again ppl tend to forget what a phone is for
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[13:19] <eigoom> good morning.
[13:19] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm I wonder if I could rig my Pi to download the latest build from here http://www.numan1617.com/rpi/openelec/builds/ and then update to it...
[13:20] <Hourd> ring ring?
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> TEXTING!
[13:20] <steve_rox> :-P
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[13:20] <Hourd> playing angry birds?
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wait no that's not right.
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> It's for what is it called again.....
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> when you can talk to people in other places through the phone....
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> CALLING!
[13:21] <Hourd> lies!
[13:21] <GabrialDestruir> Honestly my phone gets used more as a GPS or for internet/texting than it does for calling.
[13:21] <steve_rox> wonder when pi production will be good enough for me to actually obtain one
[13:22] <Hourd> steve_rox: by q4
[13:22] <GabrialDestruir> But that's mostly because I don't go out enough to actually call on my phone.
[13:22] <steve_rox> ill retry in 2 years ;-)
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[13:22] <GabrialDestruir> and when I am out and about, I usually don't have need to make calls.
[13:22] <steve_rox> unless they havent been banned in some unforseen bullshit perhaps of apples doing
[13:22] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6270
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> Lawl! "Cheapest computer in the world, brought down by Apple, maker of the worlds most expensive computers"
[13:23] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir: where?
[13:24] <GabrialDestruir> Nowhere yet, but I could just imagine the headlines....
[13:24] <steve_rox> dont under estimate the scumbags at apple
[13:24] <GabrialDestruir> Though I have no clue why Apple would go after RPi.... they're not even competition really.
[13:24] <steve_rox> they attack anything sucessfull with a arm chip in it ;-)
[13:25] <Cheery> I sort of hope apple would change in it's policies to the wozniak direction.
[13:25] <dmsuse> what has apple ever done wrong?
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[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm surprised no ones done testing for Kingston 8GB microSDHC Class 10s
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> Everything?
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[13:26] <dmsuse> like?
[13:26] <Cheery> dmsuse: sell closed hardware?
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> Okay not everything...
[13:26] <Cheery> dmsuse: isn't that wrong enough?
[13:26] <dmsuse> thats their business
[13:26] <Cheery> :P
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> but the closed hardware thing is totally wrong.
[13:26] <dmsuse> not really
[13:27] <dmsuse> you buy tv's that are closed hardware :P
[13:27] <Cheery> dmsuse: yeah. that's also wrong.
[13:27] <Cheery> get it?
[13:27] <Cheery> :P
[13:27] <dmsuse> no :p
[13:27] <GabrialDestruir> It's also not even close to the same thing honestly....
[13:27] <Cheery> closing the hardware removes all the additional potential it might have
[13:27] <Cheery> it's evil
[13:27] <dmsuse> but they have a point
[13:28] <GabrialDestruir> Closed hardware for Apple means that their software isn't usable legally on anything but their hardware, which limits not only their computers, but their software too.
[13:28] <dmsuse> but my point was, how has apple ever tried to stop any other company?
[13:29] <SStrife> it also means they don't have to support or warrant their software on people's stupid hardware builds
[13:29] <SStrife> they're business decisions, not "let's make geeks miserable" decisions.
[13:29] <Hourd> dmsuse: by trying to get other products banne din multiple countries?
[13:29] <GabrialDestruir> Hey if I want to put OSX on a computer they didn't make that should be my right to.
[13:30] <steve_rox> i tire of apples closed policys
[13:30] <Cheery> SStrife: that can be done by an agreement to do so.
[13:30] <dmsuse> Hourd: only because those companies tried to do the same first, or they tried imposing royalties without even paying apple royalties :P
[13:30] <GabrialDestruir> You want proof of Apple's wrong doing?
[13:30] <dmsuse> the whole touch gesture thing apple has royalties on but apple aint bothered trying to claim any :P
[13:30] <Cheery> SStrife: it doesn't require totalitarian control to the hardware
[13:30] <Hourd> dmsuse: or having a similar product...
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[13:31] <SStrife> How is it totalitarian? Don't buy it.
[13:31] <GabrialDestruir> They tried to patent a phone that would allow them to monitor the phones EVERYTHING under the guise of "Personal Data Security"
[13:31] <steve_rox> its sad when you see apple sueing ppl for silly things , eg shape of phone
[13:31] <Cheery> SStrife: if I buy it, it oughta be mine then. not apple's
[13:31] <SStrife> What's actually sad
[13:31] <SStrife> is that the patent system allows for it
[13:31] <nid0> especially when they change the aspect ratio of the picture of the phone they claim is too similar, to make it look more similar
[13:31] <dmsuse> steve_rox: in the courts they asked the company copying their shape to tell them which one was theirs, it took them a good whole to answer :P
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Listen in on the mics, watch the cameras, record the biometrics, etc.
[13:32] <steve_rox> allso amuseing when apple attempt to cover up hardware faults
[13:32] <steve_rox> heheh
[13:32] <SStrife> It is yours, you're free to jailbreak your phone/pod/pad, the courts have said this
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Right....
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Until the law lapses that makes it "legal"
[13:32] <Cheery> SStrife: I don't think this is particularly about apple, the whole fucking scenery repeats the same pattern which is a reason we need raspberry pi at all.
[13:32] <steve_rox> this whole closed enforcement is kinda knocking back devlopment
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> It also doesn't stop Apple from bricking phones like that.
[13:33] <dmsuse> *while
[13:33] <dmsuse> sony is the worst :P
[13:33] <steve_rox> perhaps the pi will give us a new direction of freedom
[13:33] <SStrife> Besides, to my knowledge, HTC is the only Android vendor that doesn't lock their bootloader
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> I don't remember the exact law, but I remember seeing an XDA video on it or something.
[13:33] <Cheery> we need to make stuff that's better than any of the closed hardware there is.
[13:33] <steve_rox> just need some portable lcd device to stick on pi now :-P
[13:34] <dmsuse> steve_rox: me too :P
[13:34] <steve_rox> they appear rare
[13:34] <SStrife> I agree that things would be better if they were open
[13:34] <steve_rox> and ones that are around are expensive insanity
[13:34] <GabrialDestruir> Where the law that says we can legally "root" or "jailbreak" our devices would be lapsing if it wasn't renewed.
[13:34] <Cheery> SStrife: I guess you wouldn't be on this channel if you didn't think so.
[13:34] <SStrife> But I don't totally reject the commercial driver for businesses to create closed product
[13:35] <steve_rox> the southpark epp involveing iphone was most amuseing where they illistrated the terms and conditions fucking over ppl
[13:35] <SStrife> it's their prerogative, and i'm free to choose a competing product :)
[13:35] <dmsuse> there would be no innovation though if everything was open
[13:35] <SStrife> steve_rox: It also illustrated that people rarely read things they "I Agree" to!
[13:36] <steve_rox> indeed
[13:36] <steve_rox> but most terms and conditions are like 20 pages long or somat mad
[13:36] <Cheery> SStrife: yeah, free to choose an another closed product
[13:36] <steve_rox> do you reallyhave the time to read it all?
[13:36] <steve_rox> and understand it?
[13:36] <GabrialDestruir> expiration of the DMCA exemption for jailbreaking and rooting devices
[13:36] <GabrialDestruir> there we go
[13:36] <SStrife> not software eulas, but for services i usually do
[13:37] <steve_rox> need some kinda text scanner you can shove terms and cons into so it reconises where bullshit is present
[13:37] <Cheery> SStrife: Yeah business might enjoy the closedness and monopoly, but nobody other does.
[13:37] <SStrife> Cheery: Not necessarily, I chose the Galaxy Nexus because it's a mostly open platform
[13:37] <Cheery> SStrife: I don't think it's about business profits, it's about freedoms.
[13:37] <SStrife> Monopoly isn't the right term
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[13:38] <SStrife> and I empathise with what you're saying
[13:38] <SStrife> i honestly do
[13:38] <steve_rox> does anyone even dev software for windows anymore? :-P
[13:38] <SStrife> i think there can be a place for FOSS and commercial proprietary
[13:38] <Cheery> restrict others from producing&selling software on your hardware? What's the correct term if it's not monopoly?
[13:38] <SStrife> alongside one another
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> Cheery: It's only a monopoly if you have an overwhelming market share.
[13:38] <SStrife> It would be a monopoly if nobody else made computers
[13:38] <SStrife> or smartphones
[13:39] <GabrialDestruir> It's not a monopoly because they can claim other things like their products exist.
[13:39] <SStrife> What Apple has is vertical integration, they sell you the whole experience, from your phone through every layer up to cloud services.
[13:39] <SStrife> well
[13:39] <SStrife> sort of
[13:39] <steve_rox> another amuseing thing about apple is when they have a secuirety issue they say shut up it never happened
[13:40] <SStrife> you're free to use your iPhone or iMac, with Google's services
[13:40] <GabrialDestruir> Like their iPad they can claim other "tablets" exist thus not a monopoly
[13:40] <SStrife> Other tablets do exist?
[13:40] <SStrife> Samsung Galaxy Tab
[13:40] <SStrife> etc
[13:40] <GabrialDestruir> Yes but they have also claimed there's nothing else like their iPad
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> Or at least they use to.
[13:41] <SStrife> isn't that just everyday marketing
[13:41] <SStrife> There's nothing like a [my product]
[13:41] <Cheery> could we forget politics for a small moment?
[13:41] <Cheery> I think I'd like to accomplish something with pi again. :)
[13:42] <steve_rox> additionally funny when dead apple leader went on persional vendetta aggenst android
[13:42] <steve_rox> he was mad
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[13:42] <Cheery> there's lot of google results about raw keyboard and mouse input on linux..
[13:42] <steve_rox> "android is a stolen product and im going to destroy it" something like that
[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> Personally I find the irony that Apple became big brother.
[13:43] <Cheery> but I think we should get something which is useful to all those soon-to-be-game-devs there are. :)
[13:43] <steve_rox> hmmm
[13:43] <steve_rox> phones with GPS in them must be the worst
[13:43] <steve_rox> whos to say the pigs cant remotely access that
[13:43] <steve_rox> or remotely tap into mic
[13:43] <steve_rox> cam
[13:43] <steve_rox> etc
[13:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Now compiling an up-to-date version of Redis
[13:44] <Cheery> linux kernel sort of handles that all input
[13:44] <Cheery> but what I get it comes to the user space quite unprocessed
[13:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheery: thanks for the head-start in assembly, by the way :D did you see my latest post on rpi.dnsd.me?
[13:45] <Cheery> nope
[13:45] <SStrife> steve_rox: Jobs' rant wasn't so hateful, it was probably less vitriolic than the anti-Apple hyperbole you find in the average Slashdot post ;)
[13:45] <SStrife> he did say some weird stuff, but he was really really sick
[13:46] <SStrife> so *shrugs*
[13:46] <steve_rox> :-P
[13:46] <SStrife> I liked what Steve Ballmer said about the GPL
[13:46] <steve_rox> i dont listen to him really
[13:46] <SStrife> it's a cancer that infects everything it touches.
[13:46] <steve_rox> hes a boob
[13:47] <swiley> GPL is an awfull open source liscence
[13:47] <teh_orph> that's true, IMO!
[13:47] <swiley> and gnu software is generally pretty bad
[13:47] <SStrife> And the reason I like what he said, is probably different to why he said it
[13:47] <swiley> it's just free
[13:47] <GabrialDestruir> Oh ya know it's not a matter of the police doing it....
[13:47] <teh_orph> infection is a pretty good way to describe it
[13:47] <SStrife> yeah, exactly
[13:47] <GabrialDestruir> usually they have good reason...
[13:48] <GabrialDestruir> But when the company says they want to start doing it directly for "Personal Data Protection" just gets fishy.
[13:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Free software will kill you! Solution: Microsoft!
[13:48] <Cheery> it's not cancer since cancer dies after a while when the thing it's leeching has died
[13:48] <Cheery> hmm..
[13:48] <Cheery> so microsoft is a nuclear bomb to cancer treatment then? ;P
[13:48] <SStrife> Like I said, I like what he said, for a different reason than why he said it
[13:48] <SStrife> he said it because he sells software
[13:49] <SStrife> which is understandable (whether or not you agree)
[13:49] <des2> Companies that have Patents have monopolies cause that's what Patents are.
[13:49] <Cheery> well people tend to call it 'viral licensing'
[13:49] <swiley> is there a bsd port to the raspberry pi?
[13:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> He said it because he's losing sales to free crapola
[13:49] <steve_rox> ms appears to be a old man kicking and screaming to stay relivent in pc's , and makeing themselfs look like gient tit's
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[13:49] <Cheery> also it seems most closed source licenses seem to be viral as well.
[13:49] <swiley> cherry: please explain
[13:49] <SStrife> I like it because you can't use GPL'd software without yourself being GPL's.
[13:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Do I need a license??? can't I just create a txt file containing the words: "It's free. Deal with it."
[13:50] <SStrife> You can, Gadgetoid_mbp, and you should!
[13:50] <jzu> Gadgetoid_mbp: you can
[13:50] <Cheery> swiley: well there's ppl saying "I can't show this to you because it hooks to closed API I can't expose!"
[13:50] <philh> use the wtfpl, Gadgetoid_mbp
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[13:50] <swiley> oh
[13:50] <swiley> that's crappy
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> If you use the "It's free. Deal with it" method
[13:51] <SStrife> It takes a special kind of horrible vendor to be like that with their API's though
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> You get those people who go...
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> "WE stole it and close sourced it. Now what?"
[13:51] <Cheery> SStrife: hm.. GPL is a cancer to copyright then? but not even that is really correct.
[13:51] <SStrife> Say what you like about Microsoft, their documentation is amazing
[13:51] <des2> GPL is copyright.
[13:51] <swiley> GabrialDes: so what? you still have your copy of the source
[13:52] <philh> what's wrong with GPL? it's half-wits who don't bother to read anything about the license and leech code willy nilly who are the issue there
[13:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SStrife: I'd have to read the GPL before using it, and I'm not likely to do that :D
[13:52] <SStrife> haha
[13:52] <swiley> so what if they make a closed fork, more power to them
[13:53] <GabrialDestruir> The issue is then they can go make money of it, and if they're really assholish about you, go after you for having an opensource copy of the same thing.
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GPL is not GPL'd?
[13:53] <jzu> _I_ see no problem at all with the GPL
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[13:53] <jzu> like it ?
[13:53] <jzu> use it
[13:53] <jzu> don't like it ?
[13:53] <SStrife> There are plenty of reasons to use more permissive licences than the GPL.
[13:53] <jzu> don't use it
[13:53] <swiley> so what if they make money!!!! and that's why you use a court tested liscence like bsd
[13:53] <SStrife> The BSD licence, or the Apache licence
[13:53] <swiley> or the MIT liscence
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> You can't remove someone elses licence by closed-sourcing your fork of it.
[13:54] <jzu> they're ok, but I prefer to use GPL for my own projects
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[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Even if that licence permits you to close teh source of that fork.
[13:54] <SStrife> A good example is ZFS
[13:54] <jzu> and if you think I'm an idiot because of that, I'm pretty much ok with it
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[13:54] <SStrife> It's BSD licenced
[13:54] <swiley> jzu: the problem is you force other people to use the gpl when they link with your object files
[13:54] <SStrife> Stallman considers BSD incompatible with GPL
[13:55] <drazyl> swiley - force as in, let them use your code to their advantage as long as they pass that advantage on
[13:55] <SStrife> therefore you can't distribute the source code for a Linux implementation of ZFS
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> From what I've read? Stallman's just a complete douchebag....
[13:55] <SStrife> because it links the Linux kernel
[13:55] <jzu> they have another option
[13:55] <jzu> which is to not use my software
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> So his opinions tend to matter less than real peoples. -nods-
[13:55] <jzu> and use another instead
[13:55] <SStrife> problem is that Stallman pretty much is GNU
[13:55] <swiley> drazyl: yes but what if there code has alearedy been linked with another project under a viral liscence
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[13:56] <GabrialDestruir> Which is why he gets all annoyed if people don't say GNU/LINUX
[13:56] <SStrife> and GNU puts hairy fairy terms in GPL, like "GPL compatible licences"
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[13:56] <drazyl> swiley if you don't want to abide by the license of code you use, use your own code
[13:56] <philh> SStrife, is it really BSD licensed? i thought i recalled something about gpl3 and something else random
[13:56] <SStrife> argh
[13:56] <philh> gpl3 being incompatible with the linux kernel, of course
[13:56] <friggle> SStrife: reference on stallman considering BSD incompatible with gpl?
[13:56] <SStrife> not BSD
[13:56] <drazyl> swiley the complaint seems to be "I can't do what *I* want with *YOUR* code"
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[13:57] <drazyl> which seems unreasonable to me
[13:57] <philh> drazyl, indeed
[13:57] <swiley> drazyl: my point is the gpl just get's in peoples faces and limits what people can do, I think that's kindof rude (but perfecly leagal)
[13:57] <SStrife> CDDL
[13:57] <jzu> drazyl: bang on
[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> I thought some of the newer GPLs were considered "incompatible" with "Free Software"
[13:57] <friggle> although I like the idea of copyleft, I prefer MIT for my work. The answer to any question like "can I..." is "sure, just take a look at the simple one paragraph license" rather than "take a look at the 20page gpl FAQ and consult a lawyer"
[13:57] <swiley> drazyl: exactly, that's why I tend to avoid GPL'd software
[13:58] <drazyl> swiley it only limits what you can do if you were hoping to take someone else's code but not open yours up
[13:58] <philh> swiley, why's it rude to ask people to contribute back code based on yours?
[13:58] <GabrialDestruir> I think I use one of the BSD licenses for my Nooter Project
[13:58] <swiley> I'm saying it's a little rude to force them
[13:58] <philh> no one's forcing, they can just not use the code
[13:58] <drazyl> no-one is forcing them to use the gpl code
[13:58] <GabrialDestruir> ^
[13:58] <swiley> nothing wrong with asking
[13:58] <drazyl> that is their choice, but they have to abide by the rules
[13:59] <swiley> forcing them if they use your code
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> No one is saying "Here, you HAVE to use this code and follow my rules"
[13:59] <philh> quite
[13:59] <swiley> right
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> It's your code....
[13:59] <swiley> and so I don't
[13:59] <SStrife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License
[13:59] <drazyl> your definition of force and mine differ
[13:59] <SStrife> The Free Software Foundation considers it a free software license that is incompatible with the GNU General Public License (GPL).[
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> It's like when a photographer takes a picture.
[13:59] <swiley> no one is forcing you to use the code
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> The picture is his, if people want to use that picture, they have to use his terms.
[13:59] <friggle> SStrife: well, Sun specifically chose a non-GPL compatible license there
[14:00] <swiley> right
[14:00] <swiley> and the photographer could ask them top three times on one foot spinning 720 degrees first
[14:00] <philh> it's basically saying "here's my code, you can do pretty much what you like with it, but i'd like you to release sources to any derivatives so that myself and the community as a whole can continue to benefit from improvements made"
[14:00] <philh> which doesn't seem in the least bit rude
[14:00] <swiley> but that would be obnoxious
[14:01] <friggle> philh: it can cause practical problems to people writing FOSS software under non copyleft licenses though. see e.g. GNU readline
[14:01] <SStrife> friggle: Isn't that idea basically conjecture? Or did they actually say "we don't want our stuff used with GPL"?
[14:01] <swiley> I think the worst is the lgpl though
[14:01] <teh_orph> isn't that a better one?
[14:01] <swiley> which encourages bad practice
[14:01] <SStrife> It's FSF and OSI OK
[14:01] <SStrife> just not GPL compatible
[14:01] <friggle> SStrife: well I guess it's conjecture..but it's not like CDDL's GPL incompatibility wasn't obvious
[14:02] <philh> friggle, where should i be looking?
[14:02] <swiley> quite honestly if I where to build commercial software start a business etc, I would open source it
[14:03] <swiley> I think the people who get there shorts in a twist over licenses are kind of assholeish (open souce or not)
[14:03] <friggle> philh: well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_readline I suppose. Have an Apache licensed piece of software, conributing to the open source community, want to use readline? Now you have to license the resulting application under tyhe GPL
[14:03] <ReggieUK> then it wouldn't be commercial for long
[14:03] <philh> friggle, ouch
[14:04] <friggle> philh: but, there are alternatives. I just think that the aim of readline under GPL was to encourage more free software, but I think it's probably had no effect on proprietary software and inconvenienced people writing FOSS under non-copyleft licenses
[14:04] <swiley> ReggieUK: oh? I wouldn't be the first
[14:04] <philh> swiley, weren't you getting your knickers in a twist about the GPL and LGPL?
[14:04] <ReggieUK> unless of course you use proprietary hardware to 'lock down' the software
[14:04] <ReggieUK> leapfrog use gpl
[14:04] <swiley> philh: I'm a little upset at the people who cling to the gpl yes
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[14:05] <philh> friggle, that's a very silly tactic
[14:05] <ReggieUK> but not all of their software is open
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[14:05] <ReggieUK> there's large swathes of it that are
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[14:05] <philh> swiley, then stop getting upset and move on with your life
[14:05] <ReggieUK> but all the important stuff is on a proprietary license
[14:05] <friggle> ReggieUK: Red Hat do ok...
[14:05] <swiley> yeah
[14:05] <ReggieUK> important as in important to their business
[14:05] <swiley> I'm going to go get some coffie
[14:06] <IT_Sean> g'morn
[14:06] <philh> frankly, unprovoked attacks on a license in irc do, as you suggest, sound a bit arseholeish
[14:06] <ReggieUK> cool, I can't wait for you to have that kind of money so you can defend your code and company :)
[14:07] <teh_orph> IT_Sean: morning? it's lunch time ffs!
[14:07] <philh> ReggieUK, leapfrog being the kids computery thingies?
[14:07] <ReggieUK> yes
[14:07] <philh> interesting
[14:07] <ReggieUK> they have made at least 3 handheld consoles that run linux
[14:08] <GabrialDestruir> Bah. my problem with licenses in general is they seem to be restricting in one way or another.
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[14:08] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: then you want MIT/BSD
[14:08] <ReggieUK> didj, explorer and the new leappad explorer
[14:08] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, isn't that the point of licenses though?
[14:08] <philh> GabrialDestruir, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
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[14:09] <ReggieUK> to describe the Ts&Cs under which you may use/abuse the software?
[14:09] <friggle> the only licenses I have a problem with are the stupid ones like WTFPL
[14:09] <GabrialDestruir> Well yes, but I want the licenses to be restrictive in a way I want. lol
[14:09] <ReggieUK> best get coding then :D
[14:09] <philh> GabrialDestruir, and in what way would you like them to be restrictive?
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> A licence makes clear the rights to use that.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> In some places - public domain does not exist.
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> Even though people think it does.
[14:11] <SStrife> my second Pi should arrive some time next week
[14:11] <SStrife> yay
[14:12] <SStrife> though i havent figured out what to do with one, let alone two
[14:12] <GabrialDestruir> Depends on what I'm doing? :p
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[14:13] <GabrialDestruir> I know what I'd use two Pi's for.
[14:14] <ReggieUK> tennis?
[14:14] <SStrife> besides scalping? :P
[14:14] <dmsuse> its a shame that hundreds of pi's were wasted on people that can barely use a computer.. when those that are capable of doing something worthwile or can think of something to do with a pi other than loading up x testing the browser then throwing it in a draw to rot. have to wait 5 months
[14:14] <GabrialDestruir> One as a dev Pi a second as a media center
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[14:15] <SStrife> dmsuse: I agree.
[14:15] <IT_Sean> teh_orph: Lunhctime!? I've only just got to work!
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[14:15] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, enjoy!
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[14:15] <SStrife> I've learned a lot about it, sussed out the GPIO stuff, written some apps to make my oscilloscope dance
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[14:16] <SStrife> I'm in love with it as a platform, I just don't have a practical application yet
[14:16] <dmsuse> home automation!
[14:16] <SStrife> that's a big expensive project though
[14:16] <SStrife> to do it properly
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[14:16] <SStrife> more than turning a light on or off
[14:17] <dmsuse> cant do it with just some wire and some relays ?
[14:17] <SStrife> i could, but i don't know if my home insurer would be so keen on the idea
[14:17] <dmsuse> lol
[14:17] <ReggieUK> I have a practical application for my pi
[14:17] <ReggieUK> just wish it would hurry up and turn up
[14:17] <dmsuse> mine arrives tomorrow :D
[14:17] <ReggieUK> should be here this week according to farnell
[14:18] <RaYmAn> ReggieUK: so you're also (very) impatiently waiting for a shipping notice :P
[14:19] <GabrialDestruir> I kind of want to do one of those statistic websites for my Pi, but first I have to figure out how I want to setup it up since I only have one.
[14:19] <ReggieUK> nope, I am patiently waiting for my dad to inform me that it's somewhere between a farnell warehouse and my house
[14:19] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir: statistics for what?
[14:20] <GabrialDestruir> Like just something that shows uptime/load/usage/etc
[14:20] <dmsuse> k
[14:20] <GabrialDestruir> http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
[14:20] <GabrialDestruir> like that
[14:21] <Vostok> Rikomagic MK802, discuss
[14:21] <Vostok> android based rpi rival
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[14:22] <vl4kn0> what does it take to use apple wireless keyboard with raspberry?
[14:22] <RaYmAn> it's not really an rpi rival
[14:22] <RaYmAn> it lacks gpios :>
[14:23] <IT_Sean> vl4kn0: you will need a bluetooth dongle
[14:23] <IT_Sean> and possibly drivers for it
[14:23] <vl4kn0> faie enoigh
[14:23] <vl4kn0> enough
[14:23] <vl4kn0> eh
[14:23] <vl4kn0> nevermind
[14:23] <vl4kn0> :D
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[14:24] <kikadisa> hi
[14:24] <kikadisa> does anyone use a bus pirate ?
[14:24] <RaYmAn> Vostok: rikomagic one is just a rebrand btw - there are like 4-5 different rebrands of the mk802 (other than that - it does look awesomely cool)
[14:24] <RaYmAn> Vostok: and it can playback 2160P video! ;) (whatever the hell that is)
[14:26] <GabrialDestruir> Does it Blend?
[14:26] <RaYmAn> quite likely :>
[14:27] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi still wins... It's cheaper, it's got GPIO, it's just awesome....
[14:27] <GabrialDestruir> Plus.... CUSTOM CASES!
[14:28] <RaYmAn> I think they serve different goals
[14:28] <RaYmAn> well, if you exclude all the people who bought a pi to use it as a media center.
[14:28] <GabrialDestruir> and while it might make for a "cheap pc" the entire fact it's on android kills it quite a bit.
[14:28] <GabrialDestruir> I bought my Pi as a media center, doesn't mean I don't want it to do other stuff. lol
[14:28] <friggle> I'm sure you can boot standard Linux. The Allwinner isn't particularly exotic
[14:29] <RaYmAn> quite likely
[14:29] <RaYmAn> though, they aren't great at providing source.
[14:30] <SStrife> that Rikomagic thing is kinda lame
[14:30] <GabrialDestruir> Which kind of negates any idea of moving to other OS
[14:30] <SStrife> there are better Allwinner A10 devices
[14:30] <SStrife> for about the same price
[14:30] <RaYmAn> SStrife: at same size?
[14:30] <SStrife> no, bigger form factor, BUT more connectors
[14:30] <SStrife> trade off
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[14:30] <RaYmAn> what makes that mk802 thing cool is imo the form factor
[14:31] <RaYmAn> allwinner a10 isn't particularly impressive on any other areas than the price imho
[14:31] <friggle> RaYmAn: price is a pretty important attribute
[14:32] <GabrialDestruir> What exactly does XBMC do that even when it's idling it's 80% cpu usage?
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[14:33] <GabrialDestruir> It seems highly inefficient that it takes 60% of the cpu to refresh stats on XBMC's summary pages...
[14:36] <Mazon> afaik, screen updates is the bulk of the work
[14:36] <GabrialDestruir> It seems like it'd take only a small amount of CPU power to update that screen.
[14:36] <GabrialDestruir> Not a good 60%
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[14:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Right, I give up getting Nodester to work :D
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[14:37] <dmsuse> didnt i read somewhere that the rpi runs at like 40% cpu all the time anywa/y
[14:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: sounds unlikely, my webstats generally report ~2%
[14:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Unless Top is lying
[14:37] <GabrialDestruir> Well when I have XBMC on the main screen doing nothing, it's only about 20-30%
[14:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Is there a better way to query the CPU usage?
[14:37] <GabrialDestruir> At least according to the debug.
[14:38] <dmsuse> oh ok
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[14:39] <Mazon> well, it's constantly refreshing the screen
[14:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Although my CPU load has gone up now I've got a couchdb/redis server running
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[14:40] <GabrialDestruir> Yea according to your sit it sits at about 16.5%
[14:40] <GabrialDestruir> site*
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[14:42] <GabrialDestruir> According to top completely idle on the main screen doing nothing I'm between 10%-20%
[14:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: looking at top, couchdb is doing some sort of compact job
[14:43] <GabrialDestruir> and most of that is just xbmc which basically means xbmc is inefficient. .-.
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[14:47] <GabrialDestruir> Is it common for linux to run things in multiples?
[14:47] <GabrialDestruir> 1 0 root S 2756 2.2 0 0.0 {init} /bin/sh /sbin/init 721 1 root S 2756 2.2 0 0.0 {init} /bin/sh /sbin/init 666 1 root S 2756 2.2 0 0.0 {init} /bin/sh /sbin/init
[14:47] <GabrialDestruir> 915 1 root S 12472 10.0 0 0.0 smbd --daemon --configfile=/var/run/smb.conf 926 915 root S 12472 10.0 0 0.0 smbd --daemon --configfile=/var/run/smb.conf 733 721 root S 12444 9.9 0 0.0 /usr/sbin/connmand -n 879 1 root S 6220 4.9 0 0.0 nmbd --daemon --configfile=/var/run/smb.conf 881 879 root S 5996 4.8 0 0.0 nmbd --daemon --configfile=/var/run/smb.conf
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[14:52] <RaYmAn> GabrialDestruir: look at fork() (yes - it's common)
[14:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> fork(knife(spoon()))
[14:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> couchdb is hell bent on just using CPU for no apparent reason
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[15:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, there's got to be a lighter way of getting CPU load than top
[15:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Maybe I should use load averages
[15:01] <teh_orph> w
[15:02] <Vostok> doesn't uptime show loads
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[15:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Vostok: just averages, isn't it?
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[15:04] <Vostok> right
[15:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> "uptime | awk '{print $8}'" might be more efficient than top, but less up-to-the-minute accurate
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[15:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ha, 0.22s instead of 0.603s
[15:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sorry, 0.022s :D
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[15:13] <dmsuse> "and is being progressed through our network for delivery. "
[15:13] <dmsuse> goda love royal mail tracking system
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[15:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: Aha, truth!
[15:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I like the load average value better, actually :D
[15:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It still bounces around like a crazy rabbit
[15:15] <dmsuse> you should insert the data into sql database and display a nice graph :P
[15:16] <teh_orph> if someone has a debian softfp pi turned on, could check check that the package cairo-perf-utils exists please?
[15:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Damn, it's hard to convert load averages to percentages
[15:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: I like that idea
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[15:22] * Pedro- forgot he was on IRC a work...
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[15:22] <MattPurland> at*
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[15:23] <MattPurland> fiftyonefifty: Van Halen fan?
[15:24] * IT_Sean calls MattPurland's supervisor
[15:24] <MattPurland> I could swear I've alreasy asked someone that before...
[15:24] <teh_orph> cairo-perf-utils...anyone?
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[15:24] <MattPurland> IT_Sean: he's in a directors meeting ;)
[15:24] * IT_Sean emails him, then.
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[15:25] <MattPurland> he won't read it :P
[15:25] <shirro> teh_orph: I had to build it from source when I was testing graphics on my imx under ubuntu. it doesn't appear to be in the debian packages
[15:25] <Slippern> can i use this screen with a raspberry pi? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110659968637&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
[15:25] <MattPurland> Slippern: sure, it has HDMI
[15:25] <shirro> teh_orph: those cairo trace files take a long time to run
[15:26] <dmsuse> led/lcd how does that work?
[15:26] <teh_orph> how long is long?
[15:26] <Slippern> MattPurland: what about the touch?
[15:26] <teh_orph> and doesn't that board have an A8 or something?
[15:26] <trevorman> Slippern: its appears as a regular HDMI monitor so yes
[15:26] <MattPurland> Touch won't
[15:27] <Slippern> well, its useless if the touch won't work...
[15:27] <MattPurland> wait, is the touch interface USB?
[15:27] <trevorman> yes
[15:27] <MattPurland> if it is, it might just work
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[15:27] <fiftyonefifty> MattPurland: For the IBM Model 5150, at one time I had ambitions of making YouTube vids on my modest retro comp collection.
[15:27] <trevorman> resistive tho so bit ew
[15:27] <shirro> teh_orph: yeah, it has an A8. I was getting all ready for the Pi. Had lots of plans but haven't got much done
[15:27] <MattPurland> fiftyonefifty: aah, that makes more sense..
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[15:28] <teh_orph> :)
[15:28] <teh_orph> some of those tests look massive
[15:28] <teh_orph> < 1 hour for a run of all the files?
[15:28] <shirro> I am happy to build it under Debian squeeze and raspbian. Not so keen on running them. I killed the big test suites and just ran the smallest ones
[15:29] <teh_orph> the small ones I was interested in
[15:29] <teh_orph> scrolling in a web page, that sort of thing
[15:29] <teh_orph> not youtube
[15:29] <Slippern> so, i need touch drivers thats support arm debian / ubuntu?
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[15:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I arrived at: @cpu_perc = `vmstat | awk '{print $13}'`.split("\n").last + '%'
[15:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Run ten times it takes 0.276sec versus 6.38sec of bloaty queries to top
[15:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just need websockets to minimise the IO overheads and I can change my stats poll frequency to 1sec or less
[15:35] <friggle> teh_orph: it's in squeeze-backports
[15:35] <friggle> teh_orph: or else just use wheezy
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[15:36] <shirro> teh_orph: yeah, sorry it is in raspbian
[15:37] <lee> hmm, my Pi should be here under two weeks :D
[15:38] <nid0> hurm, anyone managed to get watchdog setup and running properly with the pi's hw watchdog?
[15:39] <teh_orph> I'm gonna try and avoid raspbian for a while
[15:39] <friggle> teh_orph: see my /msg
[15:39] <teh_orph> as I don't want to have to compile X from scratch again
[15:39] <teh_orph> on it
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[15:40] <shirro> teh_orph: so we can't compile your stuff as modules for X?
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[15:41] <teh_orph> yes
[15:41] <teh_orph> it will be modules for X
[15:41] <teh_orph> however one of the modules is sometimes statically linked into X
[15:42] <teh_orph> but anyway I need debug symbols for my work, so need to compile it -g anyway
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[15:49] <shirro> just running one of the benchmarks now. is as slow as I remember. also I remember being disappointed that you can't watch it on the screen as it runs like gtkperf. I think I did display some of the traces but they looked weird and I can't remember how I did it
[15:49] <friggle> ah, forgot about gtkperf
[15:50] <shirro> gvim trace with xcb backend is taking about 119s on raspbian at 800Mhz
[15:51] <teh_orph> if I'm gonna benchmark I need something with a reasonable use - x11perf is not realistic
[15:52] <shirro> you google gtkperf and one of the first links is carl worth telling you how much gtkperf sucks as a benchmark and suggests cairo-perf-trace
[15:52] <teh_orph> ha
[15:53] <teh_orph> I do need to see it on the screen though, as I don't want it to skip X. I also need to watch for corruption
[15:53] <wjt> teh_orph: i guess you could do a lot worse than profile Midori, given that webkit-gtk makes really heavy use of cairo
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[15:53] <teh_orph> midori is currently crashing for me on arch within one second of starting
[15:54] <teh_orph> SEGV
[15:54] <wjt> marvellous.
[15:54] <shirro> there is a midori-zoomed tracein the cairo perf benchmarks dir
[15:54] <shirro> but I agree, probably more interesting to see if it works or not first and worry about speed later
[15:55] <chnops> is it possible to do 3d accelerated rendering on the rpi without X?
[15:55] <teh_orph> yes
[15:55] <friggle> teh_orph: it's not happy on wheezy either at the moment due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673469
[15:55] <teh_orph> that's the only way at the moment
[15:55] <chnops> teh_orph, oh, what kind of api is used to setup an opengl context?
[15:56] <friggle> chnops: see the example code in github.com/raspberrypi/firmware in the /opt/vc/src dir
[15:56] <teh_orph> have a look at the /opt/vc triangle demo
[15:56] <chnops> oh thanks
[15:56] <chnops> exactly what I needed
[15:59] <chnops> I had some fun directly writing to /dev/fb0 last night but i guess using opengl will let me do more interesting things, and faster :)
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[16:06] <ceti331__> hey, you can write real framebuffer pixels ? :)
[16:06] <ceti331__> its SOOOO long since i've done that
[16:06] <ceti331__> is that what /dev/fb0 is ?
[16:07] <ceti331__> can you get an honest to got pointer to the screen?
[16:07] <chnops> yeah sort of
[16:07] <chnops> you can 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0'
[16:07] <chnops> :D
[16:07] <chnops> or just open and mmap it
[16:08] <ceti331__> what does that look like in c
[16:08] <chnops> i spend all night coding on my rpi last night learning about the fbdev api, i was surprised how well it worked on the console with vi/man/links2 :)
[16:08] <chnops> spent*
[16:08] <chnops> hang on ill paste my 'funkyfb' code
[16:08] <ceti331__> this is making me want an RPI more
[16:10] <chnops> ugh I forgot to have ssh autostart :s
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[16:13] <ceti331__> out of the box in a c program what sort of framebuffer access can you get with minimal libraries.. simplest possible.. is SDL one level up from fbdev?
[16:14] <chnops> https://gist.github.com/2762521
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[16:15] <ceti331__> that is nice
[16:15] <ceti331__> nostalgic glee , plotting pixels with cpu
[16:15] <ceti331__> how i miss that
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[16:17] <teh_orph> what happens (with that code) to other things that draw to the fb?
[16:17] <teh_orph> eg the console?
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[16:17] <ceti331__> they would overwrite eachother i hope
[16:17] <shirro> yep, they overwrite
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[16:17] <ceti331__> mad corruption probably?
[16:17] <teh_orph> +1 for mad corruption
[16:18] <ceti331__> stripey, blocky patterns with half over-written characters scrolled up .. a mutated fusion of your pixels and printf's ?
[16:18] <shirro> If you want to put a logo on your console login screen you can mix it in with the text
[16:19] <teh_orph> will it scroll up as the console scrolls up?
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[16:19] <shirro> yes
[16:19] <chnops> hmm it didn't in my case
[16:19] <teh_orph> we are living in the future
[16:19] <ceti331__> 2082
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[16:20] <ceti331__> please tell me there's a strict 8x8 font
[16:20] <chnops> that is, the text console scrolled, bt the redrawn glyphs erased the picture I wrote to it
[16:20] <teh_orph> ah, so it redraws - not scrolls
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[16:21] <shirro> ceti331__: there are a few choices for console font
[16:21] <ceti331__> and one is 8x8 ?
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[16:21] <chnops> though maybe there are ways to work with the console driver to make everything scroll, not sure, I never messed with this before last night
[16:21] <ceti331__> perhaps instead of scrolling it is only redrawing the visible characters
[16:21] <ceti331__> so it knows not to do work for spaces
[16:22] <chnops> yeah
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[16:22] <ceti331__> ok that is acceptable
[16:22] <Slippern> can anyone recommend a 7" touch screen that supports RPI?
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[16:23] <ceti331__> console text??? the BBC micro had an interesting feature - while entering a line, the cursor keys could navigate a throughout the screen and a 'copy' button would duplicate the character under the cursor to the current line
[16:24] <shirro> ceti331__: there should be 8x8. The fonts are in /usr/share/consolefonts and you can add any .psf file
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[16:24] <chnops> the bbc micro was before my time sadly
[16:24] <ceti331__> with the cultural reference 'model a,model b' especially, i'd like to see an rPI shell that implements this BBC micro behaviour for pure keyboard entry
[16:24] <shirro> under linux you can use gpm to cut and paste text on the console
[16:25] <ceti331__> gpm=? this system was keyboard only
[16:25] <chnops> oh yeah, can you actually get mouse support on the console? that would be great for vim for me
[16:25] <chnops> (rpi question)
[16:25] <ceti331__> TODO: dedicated rPI shell with bbc micro style copy cursor
[16:25] <mjr> mentioned gpm should indeed do it
[16:26] <mjr> screen does provide for some sort of keyboard copy/paste but I've never used it (for that)
[16:26] <shirro> vim (as opposed to gvim) doesn't understand the mouse. You can select text and paste it but you are not yanking etc . If that makes sense
[16:26] <chnops> actually under an xterm, I can get vim mouse support working
[16:26] <ceti331__> thats the case for most text mode apps?
[16:26] <friggle> shirro: no, vim does support mouse
[16:26] <chnops> but exactly how that works is magic to me, but it works
[16:26] <ceti331__> anyone here used "Ranger" ? i think its awesome
[16:26] <shirro> under xterm yes
[16:26] <shirro> I am pretty sure it doesn't under console
[16:26] <chnops> oh, bummer
[16:26] <ceti331__> miller-bars file browser in text mode.. awesome
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[16:27] <friggle> (xterm, MS-DOS, Win32 |win32-mouse|, QNX pterm, *BSD console with sysmouse and Linux console with gpm).
[16:27] <mjr> I'm relatively confident it does, with gpm, but not quite sure
[16:27] <ceti331__> great mixture of old and new
[16:27] <shirro> like vim never gets resize correct except on xterm :-(
[16:27] <friggle> ^ above from :help mouse. So it should work
[16:27] <chnops> hmm
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[16:28] <ceti331__> is there a shell command to send a line of IRC
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[16:28] <ceti331__> from the cnosole
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[16:28] <shirro> pity the mouse I have here keeps disconnecting and reconnecting from USB :-(
[16:28] <fALSO> lol
[16:28] <ceti331__> decent tools should preclude the need for a mouse??? :)
[16:29] <teh_orph> does your keyb do that too?
[16:29] <fALSO> i would love to see the "children" learning to program
[16:29] <ceti331__> hands stay on the keyboard
[16:29] <fALSO> with all these fails
[16:29] <fALSO> :-P
[16:29] <friggle> fALSO: the current release is targeted at developers
[16:29] <ceti331__> they did in the 1980s
[16:29] <shirro> nope. the mouse does it on any machine as well. it isn't a Pi issue for once
[16:29] <fALSO> the marketing wassnt "selling that"
[16:29] <ceti331__> admitedly it was BASIC out of the box, not UNIX
[16:30] <shirro> it sucks as much on the arm board with the 1.1A polyfuse
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[16:30] <ceti331__> if it booted straight into python..
[16:30] <friggle> ceti331__: "It's a UNIX system! I know this!"
[16:30] <fALSO> LOL jurassic park
[16:30] <ceti331__> and it came up with a prompt that gave a clear option to launch desktop or give an overview of python syntax.. then kids would have a chance
[16:30] <fALSO> I have a SGI like the one on the movie
[16:30] <fALSO> and the same 3d file manager
[16:30] <fALSO> :)
[16:31] <ceti331__> hehe
[16:31] <friggle> we need to get a port of fsv/fsn to the pi (gles)
[16:31] <ceti331__> i'd like a NextCube
[16:31] <ceti331__> sorry NeXT
[16:31] <shirro> Apparently they are hard to burn
[16:31] <chnops> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng
[16:31] <chnops> I did not know that was un jurassic park :o
[16:31] <chnops> in*
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[16:35] <jzu> that was an experimental 3D file manager, developed at SGI
[16:36] <ceti331__> are there any 'graph' type filemanagers (think of gource)
[16:36] <shirro> it feels so retro to see cgi that wasn't rendered on Linux. pretty good for its time as well
[16:37] <Simon-> has anyone been able to get gpio47 to work?
[16:37] <shirro> (i mean the dinos - not the file manager - that sucked)
[16:37] <Simon-> (sd card detect)
[16:37] <jzu> hmmm
[16:37] <jzu> the old Apollo file manager was a bit like that
[16:37] <Simon-> gpio46 (hdmi detect) works but not falling/rising event detection :(
[16:37] <jzu> kind of a tree
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[16:38] <[SLB]> http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
[16:38] <shirro> anyone remember sun's project looking glass? no neither do I
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[16:39] <[SLB]> yes i tried it
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[16:40] <shirro> I like how the wikipedia page for looking glass says See also: Microsoft Bob (and compiz ofcourse). They should add Unity.
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> been away at a hack weekend - just recovering from it now...
[16:40] <jzu> I can't seem to find any screenshot of an Apollo workstation
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> Apollo? there's a blast from the past..
[16:41] <jzu> with that specific file manger
[16:41] <jzu> pre-HP days :-)
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> indeed..
[16:41] <jzu> like, 20 years ago?
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> more like 30...
[16:41] <fALSO> well sirs
[16:41] <fALSO> this is a clone - http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
[16:42] <fALSO> of the one from IRIX on SGI machines
[16:42] <fALSO> this one is for linux
[16:42] <fALSO> maybe you guys can port it to use opengl es
[16:42] <fALSO> or maybe not :-)
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I never got on with "file managers".
[16:42] <fALSO> i like midnight commander
[16:42] <fALSO> for the console
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm a bit dyslectic and have trouble with things in alphabetic order - I just can't see them...
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> it's often easier for me to type a filename...
[16:44] <[SLB]> i saw a font studied on purpose
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I don't think that's got anything to do with dyslexia, I have the same problem
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> File managers are just horrible
[16:44] <[SLB]> http://www.studiostudio.nl/project-dyslexie/
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, yea, maybe we're just thick ;-)
[16:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: the human brain is evolved to deal with small numbers of medium sized things
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> I have issues searching indexes of books, etc. does I come after P or before type of thing...
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> maybe I just don't know my alphabet...
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Err??? does it?
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I have to think about it, haha
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I've no idea - I usually have to say the alphabet to myself, so ...it's before - I remember the sequence i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p ...
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> but some people "just know" - I don't.
[16:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I usually say it in my head, but yeah??? I don't "just know"
[16:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Also can't tell the time on analogue clocks without thinking about it, eee!
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> exactly.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> it's a funny old thing the brain.
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> mine is now telling me its time for lunch...
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> or is that my stomach ...
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> back in a while
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[17:00] <dmsuse> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smvPmOq1v8
[17:00] <dmsuse> is there any documentation anywhere on how he did that?
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[17:44] <sraue> bootc, http://fpaste.org/rpX4/
[17:46] <dmsuse> argh there is absolutely no documentation on the gpio's !!!
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> hi
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, what do you need to know :)
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[17:48] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, there are 2 ways to access them right now (to my knowledge) one is via the /sys/gpio interface, the other is by mapping the memory locations for the IO ports directly - however that needs root level access...
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[17:48] <Simon-> dmsuse: what do you need to know? I have gpio interrupts working
[17:48] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: both require root
[17:48] <Simon-> and the driver should stop you accessing the memory directly
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, oh? I thought the /sys interface could be done in userland...
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a set of routines to access /dev/mem in C ...
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon> it emulates "Wiring" in arduino land...
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[17:49] <Simon-> /sys/class/gpi/export is root-only
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
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[17:50] <Simon-> /dev/mem may be unrestricted, I'm not sure
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> /dev/mem definately needs root!
[17:50] <Simon-> my driver definitely obtains exclusive access
[17:50] <Mikie> Hi, anyone here have experience with raspbmc beta?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, does your driver make the GPIO avalable to userland programs then?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> (without needing to be root)
[17:52] <chris_99> surely you could change the permissions of /sys
[17:52] <Simon-> chris_99: possibly
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> my stuffs at https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[17:53] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: they're IO pins on the hardware, it should require root
[17:53] <Simon-> I'd suggest you use the sysfs interface not /dev/mem
[17:54] <chris_99> Simon-, where's yours?
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> suggest all you like, I'm using /dev/mem for now.
[17:54] <Simon-> what does /proc/ioports contain for 2020001c-20200093 ?
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> what I want (and will write if nothing comes up soon) is a /dev/ device that I can then use to mmap the hardware from userland.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> so that a userland program can access the gpio directly.
[17:55] <dmsuse> just want to know how to protect them
[17:55] <Simon-> you can access it directly using sysfs
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[17:55] <dmsuse> from damaging my board if i end up touching the wrong thing
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> software won't help there :)
[17:55] <Simon-> dmsuse: I have code to prevent you setting an inappropriate output on some of the gpios, but otherwise you just need to avoid shorting something
[17:56] <dmsuse> could i just put a resistor on each one?
[17:56] <Simon-> only if you don't understand electronics
[17:56] <chris_99> look at opto isolators
[17:56] <dmsuse> how about a tiny tiny fuse :;p
[17:56] <Simon-> chris_99: my code is on github, I'll update it with the irq support soon
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> people want to use the GPIO pins from userland.
[17:57] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: then figure out how to make /sys/class/gpio available to them
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, I've just booted up my pi to check - your right. So why were peopel whinging at me for using /dev/mem (as root) when /sys/class/gpio also needs root! Most preplexing.
[17:58] <dmsuse> i thought /class/gpio was already available?
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> it is.
[17:58] <dmsuse> kk
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> so that means the python libraries to use /sys/... all need to run as root too!
[17:58] <chris_99> link? Simon-?
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[17:59] <Simon-> chris_99: https://github.com/lp0/linux/commits/rpi-linear
[17:59] <Simon-> chris_99: I've almost finished the irq support, I just need to use the right irqs
[18:00] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: the solution is a userspace daemon that runs as root and allows non-root clients to connect
[18:00] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: that daemon can mediate access as required
[18:00] <Simon-> (I'd suggest using unix domain sockets instead of tcp)
[18:01] <Simon-> especially as you can identify uid from those :)
[18:01] <Simon-> and construct a "gpios" group so that not every user on the system can access them
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, I have considered that.
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[18:01] <Simon-> [ 297.294511] gpio-bcm2708 2020001c.gpio: bcm2708_gpio_irq_handler: 76
[18:01] <Simon-> I get an interrupt when the hdmi plug is inserted/removed >:)
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I still want a /dev/device though - zero latency between program and hardware.
[18:03] <Simon-> the latency doesn't matter as much as you think
[18:03] <bootc> sraue: I take it you didn't get that with the old kernel?
[18:03] <Simon-> if you need to be lower latency than using sysfs then you're only going to get false readings
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> ON the pi, probably not but my background is in real-time control, etc. I get irritated by software that's not strictly needed.
[18:04] <bootc> sraue: it's not the first time I've seen this, but try another SD card if you have one... seems to 'fix' it for some people :-)
[18:04] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: then replace the kernel with assembly
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> have to say, I replace the pi with something more suitable, however..
[18:04] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: accessing /dev/mem from userspace also means you get reschedules at will
[18:04] <sraue> bootc, no... the problem actually is i use a 15sec timeout for trying to mount... so loading the mmc driver needs actually to long
[18:05] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: and the sysfs interface supports interrupts - you can't get that from /dev/mem
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> yes, I know what I get.
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I know what I need too.
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[18:08] <Simon-> you don't need to busy loop on the gpio value :/
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> thanks for the advice
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[18:08] <Simon-> the hardware also supports level interrupts but I'm not sure where those are exposed in the kernel
[18:08] <Simon-> bootc: can you test i2c over gpio with interrupts?
[18:08] <bootc> Simon-: eh?
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[18:20] <jardiamj> Which files do I have to replace in order to update the firmware in my pi
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[18:27] <ceti331_> Back to fbdev ... So is there a configuration where it boots with just a text mode terminal, but with an accessible framebuffer.... No x server, no desktop environment just pure text and pixels
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> ceti331_, that's how it boots..
[18:27] <ceti331_> Yum yum
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> well in Debian anyway.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> I think the RH releat goes into X directly.
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> however i've had some problems trying to use programs that access the fb directly )-:
[18:28] <ceti331_> Someone earlier was going on about theres working
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> I can do it when output is to the composite video, but I get hard crashes when trying it in hdmi mode.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> actually, I can easilyl get hard crashes in composite video modes too..
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> so now I run up X and just run my apps. in full-screen mode.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> since there's no 'hardware' accelleration it doesn't make any difference for now.
[18:29] <ceti331_> x with no window manager?
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> no, x with xfce (currently)
[18:30] <ceti331_> ah ok
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> but I guess I could do that if I tried hard enough.
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[18:31] <ceti331_> I have always been surprised that full argb blending is not more commonplace in the linux world
[18:31] <dmsuse> x is for newbz :P
[18:32] <ceti331_> The real way to use rpi is raw framebuffer :)
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> is it? Until relatively recnetly I've never done any graphics work on a system with a big OS on it.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm using SDL right now.
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[18:33] <jardiamj> so, no answer?
[18:33] <ceti331_> sdl gives you raw framebuffer? Ive never used it
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> it can use the raw framebuffer, yes.
[18:33] <ceti331_> only programmed on consoles and desktop environments
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> and I understand that it will also use any hardware accelleration that the fb driver will give you...
[18:33] <dmsuse> jardiamj: doesnt it say in the instructions?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> what firmware are you looking to upgrade, jardiamj ? (kernel, userland, etc.)
[18:34] <ceti331_> Has anyone here had argb blending workng in a linux desktop
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[18:34] <jardiamj> dmsuse: which instructions? I was expecting something in the README file... but no
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, what are you hoping to achieve?
[18:35] <jardiamj> the firmware, not Linux OS but firmware gordonDrogon
[18:35] <ceti331_> eg argb for all elements. Not single opacity value across the entire window
[18:35] <dmsuse> jardiamj: the forum posts points to http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, do you mean the bootstral loader and the GPU code? That's sort of under Linux...
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[18:36] <jardiamj> what goes in the boot partition
[18:36] <jardiamj> what starts my PI when I plug it in
[18:36] <jardiamj> not the OS
[18:36] <dmsuse> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> do you think it needs updating?
[18:36] <dmsuse> ah there we go
[18:36] <jardiamj> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[18:36] <jardiamj> dmsuse: I know about that
[18:37] <dmsuse> oh ok
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[18:37] <jardiamj> but I want to understand how it's done, I don't want a tool to do it for me
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> you simply replace the files in /boot
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> and reobot, hoping for the best...
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[18:39] <dmsuse> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[18:39] <dmsuse> all the commands used to apply the patch are in that script
[18:40] <Tachyon`> http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/05/nudibranch.jpg
[18:40] <jardiamj> ohh well, I don't know C but I'll if I can read it
[18:40] <jardiamj> *I'll see if
[18:40] <dmsuse> its not c
[18:41] <dmsuse> its bash script, very simple
[18:41] <jardiamj> is it a shell script?
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[18:41] <nid0> yes
[18:41] <jardiamj> bash == shell
[18:41] <dmsuse> ye
[18:41] <ceti331_> How low is the acess to the gpu...
[18:41] <jardiamj> ok, I'll take a look
[18:42] <ceti331_> Is the commandbuffer and microcode all documented
[18:42] <ceti331_> dma..
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, neat. did you take it?
[18:42] <ceti331_> how does that interact with virtual memory...
[18:43] <Tachyon`> no, it was on pharyngula, I just thought it looked cool, never seen one before
[18:43] <ceti331_> Is rpi unified memory ( no seperate vam)
[18:43] <wjt> ceti331_: physically, yes; logically, no.
[18:44] <ceti331_> Logically ... As in you get it setup in linux with cpu and gpu confined to seperate pages ?
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[18:44] <ceti331_> Seperate adresss space?
[18:44] <Simon-> jardiamj: /loader.bin loads /start.elf which loads /kernel.img
[18:44] <Tachyon`> probably not best to see one that close either, according to wikipedia some of them sting and others attack you with acid
[18:45] <ceti331_> On some consoles its same adress space but graphics resources are usually allocated in seperate uncacheable pages
[18:45] <Simon-> ceti331_: read the PDF on it
[18:45] <Simon-> ceti331_: everything is mapped 4 times for different caching options
[18:46] <ceti331_> like upper bits of adressses select cache options?
[18:46] <jardiamj> thanks Simon-
[18:47] <Simon-> ceti331_: yes, the top 2 bits
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[18:48] <ceti331_> At w,hat level is that imposed ( no 64bit future rpi?)
[18:48] <Simon-> read BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[18:49] <Simon-> it's a 32-bit CPU, 64-bit would be a different chip
[18:49] * Simon- doesn't observe any sd card detection on gpio 47 :(
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[18:50] <Simon-> gpio irq support is now in https://github.com/lp0/linux/commits/rpi-linear
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[18:55] <ceti331_> I believe arm are developping 64bit versions for future
[18:56] <ceti331_> Might be a while before 64 bit is a $30 system though ok
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[18:57] <mjr> yeah they are
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[18:58] <ceti331_> I want a tegra 3 or more in rpi format
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[18:58] <haltdef> OMAP5 based board is probably the closest you'll get
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[18:59] <Simon-> dma isn't documented but the code is spread out across two modules and needs rewriting as a dmaengine
[18:59] <RaYmAn> tegra3 isn't really that impressive, sadly :/
[18:59] <ceti331_> perhaps i mean sgx5whatever
[18:59] <ceti331_> quadcore cpu and gpu
[18:59] <Simon-> unfortunately the usb chip is undocumented and the driver is useless
[19:00] <RaYmAn> ceti331_: I'd keep an eye on compulab - they have a pretty neat tegra2 device
[19:00] <ceti331_> Minus apple sony lockdown
[19:00] <IT_Sean> It's going to be a long time before you see Really Fast processors used in something liek a raspi, and by then, they won't be Really Fast anymore.
[19:00] <ceti331_> Fair enough
[19:00] <Simon-> I'm not surprised that people have memory issues with lots of network transfer - the usb driver's memory management is awful
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[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, is the usb driver bad just because the driver itself is bad or is the actual chip bad as well?
[19:01] <Simon-> I can't comment on the chip
[19:01] <Syliss> lol
[19:01] <Simon-> the driver is over a megabyte of truly awful code
[19:01] <ceti331_> Well i still want an rpi as it is especiallybadtervhearing you can poke video memory direct
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[19:02] <ceti331_> Especially after hearing
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[19:02] <des2> Does Python support peek(x) and poke(x) ?
[19:03] <ceti331_> Ah trimslice
[19:03] <Slippern> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110659968637&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 i found some drivers for the touch here: http://www.ideacom.com.tw/DR_UTS6680.htm but its only x86 drivers?
[19:03] <Simon-> des2: I don't think so - for what purpose?
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[19:03] <steve_rox> poke 53280 ,2
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[19:03] <ceti331_> Heh python with peek and poke..
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> ceti331_, you might be better off using SDL if you want to poke video memory directly.
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> it's essentially what I do in my apps. and it has the side-effect of working under X as well as on the framebuffer (when it works)
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> once setup, you really do get a pointer to "video" memory - or a software copy...
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[19:05] <ceti331_> Software copy.... I want the real thing
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> SDL is really aimed at games though, but you can use it in more general purpose apps. to which I'm doing.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm led to understand that sometimes a software copy, then using the hardware to update the real thing can be faster...
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> however I'm no expert in that area.
[19:06] <ceti331_> Due to caching behaviour?
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> no - due to the interactions with modern GPUs (AIUI)
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> On the Pi, it probably makes no difference as it's all the same memory, but on other systems with separate graphics cards, etc. then who knows.
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[19:07] <Simon-> [ 5.539083] BCM2708FB: start = ccc00000,4d384000 width=1824, height=1104, bpp=16, pitch=3648 size=4027392 success=0
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[19:07] <ceti331_> Well on seperate video cards yes who knows
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> there you go - mmap it and off you go :)
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[19:08] <Simon-> 'c' is direct uncached
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> SDL does have a 'hardware surface' function too. it can also double-buffer and flip frames if needed.
[19:08] <ceti331_> I know there used to be dedicated VRAM chips with special ports for scanout
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> until relatively recently I'd not done any graphics on modern PCs - it's all been embeded stuff where you often do have direct access to the FB, or via a serialiser etc.
[19:09] <ceti331_> And there migt have been gu setups with optimization for doublebuffer framebuffers, seperate texturmemories etc... But more recent gous are a bit more general i think, although resources are mapped in funny ways to suit either linear framebuffers or rectangularly acessed tectures
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> and when I found SDL I was quite impressed.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> 3 lines of code and you have a window you can poke pixels into...
[19:10] <ceti331_> I saw the docs had options for l2 or l1 or both :)
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> it's used by things like Tuxpaint and PyGame, etc.
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a BASIC interpreter and use SDL as the main window for text and graphics.
[19:11] <ceti331_> I Can live with that i guess
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> ceti331_, whats your application, or thoughts?
[19:13] <ceti331_> Pure curiosity ..nostalgia from days of amiga programming. Heres some ram and hardware registers....
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok :)
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I go back a little further - to the days of the Apple II :)
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> that level of programming is rarely avalable on modern hardware from what I gather.
[19:15] <ceti331_> Bbc micro 6502 for me , and zx81 (timex? In usa ) before that
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Apple -> lots of custom 6502 -> BBC -> Arc -> ...
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[19:16] <ceti331_> 6502 my first asm and raw framebuffer, 68000 amiga my largest quantity of asm code, then c and a little mips etc in the work in games
[19:17] <ceti331_> Correct ive not poked a framebuffer in ages.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Games. I forgot I worked for a PC games co. some 15 years ago. However they'd developed their own framework for the graphics - all I had to do was fit into their system...
[19:17] <ceti331_> I would like to POKE an HDTV
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> SDL is certianly an easy way to get started - it's also cross platform too, so in-theory your program can work with minimal mods on Win/Mac/Linux and some handhelds too.
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> however the general way it works is that you poke to a copy of the real surface, then "update" or flip that surface to the real screen (preferably during a flyback)
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> if there's a hardware blitter then it will be used for that, else (e.g. in the Pi's case) it does the copy in software.
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[19:20] <ceti331_> Or, you paint ahread of the raster ... ( do lcds even have that type of scanoout )
[19:20] <ceti331_> dreamcast had a mode where there was no framebuffer just one line of tiles worth double buffered :)
[19:21] <ceti331_> terrible when the scene overloaded
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[19:21] <ceti331_> i guess the straight copy isnt much trouble even a cpu has the ability to processs more than it can copy
[19:22] <ceti331_> whats the arm system bandwidth on the rpi
[19:22] <ceti331_> for linear acess
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> sure - it's not the fastest though.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> and the bigger the screen, the slower it goes )-:
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> SDL does have way of making it faster by only copying rectangles that you've changes, but you need to tell it those rectangles!
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> so when I'm printing characters to the screen, I just tell it the rectangle of that characters.
[19:24] <ceti331_> I guess you end up building you own window manager
[19:24] <Simon-> ceti331_: 1.38s to read all 192MB of RAM with 'dd'
[19:24] * IT_Sean has the feeling that he has seen this exact conversation before
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> well you can do - if you want windows inside the screen!
[19:24] <ceti331_> One second to read 192 mb ram?
[19:24] <ceti331_> Over
[19:25] <Simon-> using dd.
[19:25] <ceti331_> dd is what
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[19:25] <Simon-> mmap would be faster but I have no usb or sd
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> dd is convert & copy, but cc had already been used...
[19:26] <normod> and there is a command called whatis for a reason
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[19:29] <ceti331_> do you get the source to the gl implementation. Eg shader compiler
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: DUMB Elapsed: 0.08636 MiB: 16.00000 Copy: 185.278 MiB/s
[19:31] <mjr> ceti331_, very much not
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> that's on a Pi.
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[19:33] <ceti331_> Ok pretty slow
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> yea, that's the 'mbw' program.
[19:33] <ceti331_> But not bad for the price..
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> my cheap (sub ?200 for mobo & processor & RAM) system comes out at
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: DUMB Elapsed: 0.13760 MiB: 256.00000 Copy: 1860.511 MiB/s
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> on the same test.
[19:34] <ceti331_> Moden console could visit ram many times over per frame for dumb copy
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[19:35] <ceti331_> But in practice ends up limited by caching on most programs when you first write them
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> interestingly my desktop us much faster using memcpy() but the pi is much slower.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.20337 MiB: 16.00000 Copy: 78.676 MiB/s
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.18649 MiB: 16.00000 Copy: 85.796 MiB/s
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: MEMCPY Elapsed: 0.18593 MiB: 256.00000 Copy: 1376.871 MiB/s
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> AVG Method: MCBLOCK Elapsed: 0.03263 MiB: 256.00000 Copy: 7844.627 MiB/s
[19:36] <Simon-> surely that depends on the implementation of memcpy()?
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> absolutly.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> So it looks like the Pi's version could be optimised somewhat better.
[19:36] <ceti331_> So desktop has very optimized libraries perhaps .. Doesnt x86 have a string copy instruction or is that obselete
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> really don't know. never have (and never plan to!) look at x86 architecture in that much detail...
[19:37] <ceti331_> someone on the natami project was trying to convince me that powerpc was getting amiga style block copy function in the cpu
[19:37] <ceti331_> Not powerpc but ibm power
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> might be better to do it in the memory controler - if it has one, then it's like a blitter type function.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> however a tight loop in cache ought to be able to drive memory at full-speed all the time anyway.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> cpu + cache being much faster than modern memory (still)
[19:38] <ceti331_> What they were trying to claim was that a dedicated function would free up the cpu from st that
[19:38] <ceti331_> Fom just that
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> sure - as long as the cpu could do "stuff" without touching main memory...
[19:39] <ceti331_> E.g. Never need to have a whole cpu thread tied up doing memcpy if you have a dedicated blitter type unit in the cpu
[19:39] <ceti331_> CELL was master of that type of thing
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[19:41] <ceti331_> I would like an rpi running synergy somewhere in my command centre, i think i mentioned that here
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> what's synergy?
[19:41] <ceti331_> share mouse and keys across network
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[19:42] <IT_Sean> I would like a raspi running Doom somewhere in my datacenter
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> heh
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I've run doom on my Pi!
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install prboom
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Not in my datacenter you haven't!
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> no....
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, is there a README file somewhere that says what your driver does? I really can't get my head round github and don't want to download an entire kernel checkout...
[19:44] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: which driver?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> Every office should have one doom-running remotely accessable machine. For killing downtime.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> the gpio one.
[19:45] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: it allows you to configure each gpio as an edge/level triggered interrupt, which gpiolib exposes in sysfs by allowing you to set an edge triggered interrupt and poll() on the value file
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> so it adds to the existing sysfs gpio driver?
[19:47] <Simon-> I rewrote it to use pinctrl and finish the irq support
[19:48] <friggle> ceti331_: the pi does have DMA controllers with very high bandwidth, which can be used for blits/fills
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[19:51] <dmsuse> omg i have no idea whats being said
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[19:52] <Simon-> it would let you do something when the hdmi cable is plugged/unplugged without having to continually read the gpio value
[19:52] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: it watches the things, and does things when one of the things changes..
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> not sure why I want that, but I'm sure someone needs it though...
[19:53] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: thnx :P
[19:53] <IT_Sean> No problem. That's what i'm here for.
[19:58] <amelia_> IT_Sean! My Pi has a lovely clear case enclosing it, sooo pretty <3 :D
[19:59] * IT_Sean posts amelia_ a nasty taco with extra Sauce from the lunch van down the street
[19:59] <IT_Sean> That's for taunting me.
[19:59] <amelia_> :(
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[20:00] <Simon-> you want it because busy waits are bad? :)
[20:00] <amelia_> Simon-: he's after my second one when it arrives :P
[20:01] <IT_Sean> Why must you tease me with your raspi, amelia_ ? What did i ever do to you?
[20:01] <amelia_> IT_Sean: nothing, it's just the only joy I get in a world full of evil proprietary software, and non-working Pi sound ;)
[20:02] * IT_Sean holds up his notarized copy of the Certificate of Conditional Dibs governing amelia_'s second raspi
[20:02] * amelia_ nodnods
[20:02] <IT_Sean> :p
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[20:03] <amelia_> Alas, your crappola 'notarized' copy means nothing in the good old United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) :P
[20:03] <dmsuse> is there a website somewhere which shows projects ppl have done with gpio's cant find any on the forum
[20:03] <IT_Sean> not according to the International Dibs Treaty of 1979!
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> heh.. Doom's not quite playable @ 1280x1024 on the Pi )-:
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> I've only been putting LEDs and switches on mine so-far. Had hoped to get it hooked up to a weatherstation this weekend, but used arduinos instead.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> GAH! Why you not work!!!!!!????
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Stuff is not cooperating today.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[20:05] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: you do that?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:06] <IT_Sean> He did... I remember him posting about it.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> that's my pi.
[20:06] <dmsuse> nice
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, and probably remember the conversations about the total current draw :)
[20:06] <dmsuse> ima go to maplin tomorrow and get leds,breadboard and resistors :P
[20:06] <IT_Sean> YUP!
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> get this:
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[20:07] <amelia_> Gah, the crappola RS psu plug is too big for my case *breaks out file*
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> plus the breadboard and wires...
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> what case did you get, amelia_ ?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. skpang have lots of cases now: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cases-and-covers-c-240_242.html
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[20:08] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251053134771
[20:09] <amelia_> Wanted something that totally enclosed the Pi, as I have a cat whose hairs would invariably get in the sides of the skpang cases
[20:09] * IT_Sean still has yet to see a case as good looking as the one he had in mind.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> ah yes. saw those. (& some simlar from a bloke in Devon too)
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> ah cat hairs. yes. best keep it out of the way of moggie.
[20:10] <dmsuse> Can be delivered within as little as 90 minutes
[20:10] <dmsuse> lol no way
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I almost thought about getting a laser cutter recently too. about ?1500 for an A4 size one.
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure the people who have them are now churning out cases non-stop... probably pay for itself too!
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[20:12] <IT_Sean> And what can a ??1500 A4 size laser cutter cut?
[20:12] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: Well, I paid ~?10 for mine, and it supported a local-ish GLUG, so I can't complain :P
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[20:14] <chris_99> where do you get one for that price gordonDrogon
[20:14] <chris_99> that's pretty small mind
[20:15] <blob25> that would be pretty awsome, are they easy to operate?
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, laser cutter? dunno - I just googled las week to find out about them..
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> http://hpclaser.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=40&zenid=27212592dc7912db2db661333e957b23
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, the LUG makes the cases?
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[20:18] <IT_Sean> You;d have to sell a lot of ??10 raspi cases to pay for a ??1500 laser cutter, not to mention material costs and such
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> sure - but there's lots more you can so - I suspect :)
[20:18] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: Shropshire LUG, it seems
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> like putting models of action man on it and saying "I expect you to die, Mr. Bond" ,that sort of stuff...
[20:19] <amelia_> :D
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, ah neat. Wish my LUG was that advanced... or even the local hackspace )-:
[20:19] <amelia_> I used to have access to decent lasers in a physics lab once, had far too much fun with that :P
[20:19] <friggle> IT_Sean: acrylic is very cheap
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[20:21] <SpeedEvil> No, it's not.
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[20:21] * SpeedEvil is currently looking at a 600 quid acrylic order.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> that's a lot of acrylic!
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[20:22] <friggle> SpeedEvil: material cost for acrylic for a raspberry pi case is what? 50p-??1 tops
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> friggle: Indeed.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Less than that actually
[20:22] <friggle> yeah, that would be for small quantities
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> I got a 2.4*1.2m sheet for ~70 quid I think
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm.. I was looking for an acrylic panel for my bath a few years back... it's an odd shape and they wanted about 80 quid for 5mm bright white stuff.
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> forming is in principle possible
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I made it in ply in the end, but the white gloss I put on it is starting to yellow )-:
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> But you need to get a moderately advanced jig for it.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I just need a flat panel...
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> since it's almost time to re-do the bathroom, I might just "get a man in" to do it for me ;-)
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> Oh - flat panel is trivial
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> I need 2 cutouts in it - one is a U shaped to fit a pipe through, the other a small notch. Not an issue I'd have though (and if I can do it in ply...)
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cabp.co.uk/acatalog/coloured_acrylic_sheets.html
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 120 quid... I might just go back to the local place and see what they want - however this was about 8 years ago I want initially!
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[20:30] <chris_99> you can get a CNC machine for < 500 quid
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> where?
[20:30] <chris_99> ebay
[20:30] <chris_99> they're these chinese ones that a lot of people use
[20:31] <ReggieUK> or self build
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:31] <ReggieUK> all you need is a template
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> if only I had more time...
[20:31] <ReggieUK> an x/y table with a z axis isn't difficult
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> heh I have experience of writing software to control lathes/mills, etc. :) Just don't have the time (nor much space) to have one myself!
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, ping?
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, got it, nevermind. Thanks for the help witht he kexec stuff.
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[20:37] <ceti331__> Could the rpi be built into a 'pocket server': imagine an rpi, wireless, mifi, battery, laptop-drive all in one box - as something to carry around to complement a wifi tablet.
[20:37] <haltdef> but .. why?
[20:37] <haltdef> nothing the tablet couldn't do itself
[20:38] <IT_Sean> That sounds like a brilliant solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
[20:38] <ceti331__> ok so the tablets cpu >> rpi
[20:38] <IT_Sean> Not to mention, any such thing would be far from "pocket size"
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Few tablets have a terabyte drive
[20:38] <n17ikh> you could, but at that point you may as well ditch the tablet idea
[20:38] <n17ikh> and get a real computer
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: I have large pockets.
[20:38] <ceti331__> i'm thinking of ipod-classics
[20:38] <haltdef> most tablet have a usb host port, right?
[20:38] <IT_Sean> Some do, some don't.
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[20:38] <haltdef> I don't plan on owning one ever, silly fad imo
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[20:39] <haltdef> the android/ios ones anyway
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> you'll need even bigger pockets for the battery :)
[20:39] <n17ikh> at the point you're carrying around a hard drive with an RPi attached so it can talk over wifi to your tablet and blah blah the whole concept is kind of shot
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> yea, might as well carry a laptop :)
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[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ceti331_, The limiting factor would be the low current usb ports. Not much you can hook up to them without a powered hub.
[20:40] <amelia_> ceti331_: if you're after a small server, look at the wall warts like the SheevaPlug - try plugcomputer.org
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[20:41] <ceti331__> pocket servers with mesh networking :)
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[21:02] <SBeans> hola
[21:02] <normod> holla!
[21:02] <normod> whas up girrl?
[21:02] <SBeans> I want to steam video from my sever (running gentoo) to my pi
[21:03] <SBeans> any ideas whats the best way to do this?
[21:03] <ironzorg> ffmpeg-server
[21:03] <normod> or vlc it's the fastest way pobaby
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[21:04] <normod> polebaby*
[21:04] <SBeans> whats pros and ocns of using ffmpeg over vlc
[21:06] <normod> vlc makes a stream for you, no effort. ffmepg makes your stream nice and efficent but just for video or audio etc.
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[21:08] <Davespice> Hexxeh, just trying out the Raspbian image
[21:09] <SBeans> ok
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[21:09] <SBeans> so, I have not windows manager or GUI on my server
[21:10] <Davespice> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is going a bit slow... maybe because the server is a small one or something?
[21:10] <SBeans> but i assume there is no "vlc server" rather its just a vlc client with some sort of ftp inbuilt?
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[21:12] <dmsuse> /win 12
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[21:13] <atronic> any idea why I am always getting this error on 1st boot - DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma : : XactErr with NYET/NAK/ACK
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[21:13] <atronic> any idea why I am always getting this error on 1st boot - DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma : : XactErr with NYET/NAK/ACK
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[21:20] <Simon-> ask synopsys.
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[22:08] <ashy> hi everybody
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[22:09] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[22:09] <ashy> anyone running openelec? i can't get any sound. :(
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ashy, hdmi or analog?
[22:09] <ashy> hdmi
[22:09] <ashy> have not tried analog as I don't have the correct cable
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[22:10] <IT_Sean> I haven't even got my pi yet
[22:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I think hdmi should work by default. Double checked the settings?
[22:10] <ashy> checked everything I can think of
[22:10] <n17ikh> e14 says they're shipping my pi on may 29.. I can only hope
[22:11] <ashy> compiled my own openelec and tried other peoples images
[22:11] <ashy> but no sound from any
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then... if you're sure your cable is fine and sound works on the regular distros, but not on openelec... no idea.
[22:11] <ashy> just wanted to find someone else that was running it so I know that it is possible to work :P
[22:12] <ashy> and not just bug in openelec
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[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's possible and it works, I just haven't used hdmi audio myself, just analog.
[22:12] <amelia_> Pi, Pi, I have got me a Pi. Wave it up in IT_Sean's face until he goes and cries.. :P
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> you could ask in #openelec as well
[22:12] <sraue> ashy uncheck AC3 and DTS
[22:13] <ashy> have tried that sraue
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[22:13] <TopherBrink> hdmi should definitely be working by default in openelec
[22:14] <sraue> so whats your settings?
[22:14] <ashy> I've tried pretty much every combination
[22:14] <mkopack> IT_Sean: When is yours expect to arrive man?
[22:14] <TopherBrink> my setting is whatever the default was
[22:14] <IT_Sean> I'm still waiting for my slot in the queue
[22:14] <TopherBrink> its always just worked
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[22:18] <mkopack> Dang, sorry man. I should have #2 (first from Newark) next week or the week after, and the 2nd by end of June...
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[22:21] <Simon-> [ 0.139168] Calibrating delay loop... 382597.52 BogoMIPS (lpj=1912987648)
[22:21] <Simon-> looks like I finally got a timer interrupt then, 16 minutes later
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[22:29] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: guess how much i paid for mine from ebay :P
[22:30] <dmsuse> omg i just saw someone selling an activation code on ebay...
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> wow..
[22:31] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: ??100, ??150?
[22:32] <dmsuse> ??50 with free delivery :P
[22:32] <IT_Sean> wait? an activation code?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> My Farnell order is supposed to be shipping this week...
[22:32] <dmsuse> no the pi itself i got
[22:32] <IT_Sean> ??50!!!! You bastard!!!
[22:32] <dmsuse> :D
[22:32] <IT_Sean> what is an activation code?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, that's good - at last prices are coming down to a sensible level.
[22:32] <dmsuse> the seller said "wow that went fast" lol
[22:32] <IT_Sean> to order?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> was it a buy it now?
[22:32] <dmsuse> yeah
[22:32] <dmsuse> i snapped it up, funny thing is i saw an auction due to end in 25 mins which was already over 80
[22:33] * IT_Sean knows what he is doing tonight
[22:33] <Simon-> I've started writing an usb hcd driver in https://github.com/lp0/linux/commits/rpi-next
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[22:33] <IT_Sean> ??50 is still well above list, but, better than the ~??200 or more range they had been going for.
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[22:34] <dmsuse> yeah still way too much... but because auctions are selling at around 70/80 i don't feel quite as robbed :P
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> not as robbed as me...
[22:34] <dmsuse> how much :P
[22:34] <normod> I hope it's a very beautiful bridge
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> I paid 105 - 4 weeks ago, so I thought I got lucky then.
[22:35] <dmsuse> ouch, but i guess that was cheap for 4 weeks ago
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[22:35] <normod> we have to trust him
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[22:42] <friggle> Simon-: you...are...amazing
[22:43] <friggle> Simon-: btw, dwc_otg APM submitted upstream didn't have the scary synopsys lawyer speak (they got permission to remove it)
[22:43] <markus> brainfreeze
[22:44] <friggle> Simon-: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg53194.html
[22:45] <amelia_> dmsuse: I'm not sure the code will be much help, tying it to the email address of the seller - whose to say you can have your separate address securely for shipping and RS account? They could end up getting a copy of your details - or worse, your pi! :P
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[22:46] <dmsuse> amelia_: that is certainly something who ever buys it needs to be aware of
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[22:47] <Simon-> friggle: yes, I've seen gregkh's comments that they're ignoring
[22:47] <amelia_> dmsuse: but _won't_ be made aware of.
[22:47] <Simon-> friggle: this can't be too complicated, there are small hcd drivers
[22:49] <Simon-> friggle: a lot of this stuff is just "here's a driver struct, implement these functions"
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[22:50] <Simon-> friggle: I added GPIO IRQ support - I can get an interrupt when I remove/insert the hdmi cable!
[22:50] <friggle> Simon-: awesome :) If you get a working USB driver implementation you will make a lot of us very happy :)
[22:51] <friggle> Simon-: where did you come from anyway, are you a kind stranger, dropping by to share your kernel hacking expertise or did someone rope you in without me knowing about it?
[22:52] <markus> what berry tastes like tonic soda?
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[22:54] <Simon-> friggle: I bought this RPi and then discovered the kernel support was incomplete
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> markus, tonic water traditionally contained quinine ...
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, is that something you looked up or pulled from memory?
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, memory. I'm an occasional drinker of Gin and Tonic :)
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[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> heh ok... just thought that's an odd thing to know.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. is it? Maybe you just don't dring ginnanntonix ...
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[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh I don't drink at all (apart from when I am forced).
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> must admit the older I get the less I drink...
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> but I do enjoy a small drink every now and then. Especially if it's nice cider...
[23:01] <dmsuse> pear cider :D
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> you want to try a proper perry ...
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> must arrange my annual trip to Broome farm - http://www.rosscider.com/
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Just thought, I have a spare SHT15 temp/humidity sensor I could connect to my Pi. Make a change from LEDs and switches!
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[23:07] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: be sure to write down how you did it so i can copy :P
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, it's not hard... you have to bit-bang the interface though - it's almost, but not quite I2C...
[23:12] * dmsuse googles bit-bang and i2c
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> i2c or twi (two wire interface) is a sort of standard serial bus interface for chips - the Pi has an i2c drvier on-board, and there are at least 2 drivers out there that I'm aware of...
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> however the SHT15 isn't really i2c, so you have to twiddle the data and clock lines yourself, so output data one bit at a time and then pulse the clock pin...
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> hence bit-banging ...
[23:15] <dmsuse> right...
[23:15] <SBeans> does anyone know how to find out the max res of a lcd SD tv?
[23:16] <jujoyo> i just started brewing cider, actually the project i'm working on now is to regulate temperature for brewing
[23:16] <Simon-> gordonDrogon: I have some of those accessed via an usb serial interface... the overhead to read one bit is ridiculous
[23:16] <dmsuse> SBeans: i think X probes for available modelines
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Standard Def? it ought to be 768?576 but that includes overscan.
[23:17] <SBeans> so im stuck with what I have
[23:17] <SBeans> 656 x 416
[23:18] <SBeans> windows are too big and I can access the menus
[23:18] <SBeans> kinda sucks
[23:18] <Simon-> bootc: I could do with ethernet over spi so I can kexec instead of really destroying the sd card slot
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Simon-, I imagine it's a horrible hack via usb, but it's not too bad using the GPIO pins.
[23:18] <ReggieUK> depends whether it's pal/ntsc and 4:3/16:9 too
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[23:19] <SBeans> ReggieUK: how do I find these thing out?
[23:20] <bootc> Simon-: :-)
[23:20] <SBeans> I assume its pal
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> The legos for my RPi is on backorder -sadface-
[23:21] <dmsuse> SBeans: does the pi have xrandr?
[23:21] <SBeans> yea
[23:21] <SBeans> i ran it
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[23:22] <SBeans> what info do you want need
[23:22] <dmsuse> just thought that would show your more resolution options
[23:23] <SBeans> na just shows the res
[23:23] <SBeans> max min and current all the same
[23:23] <SBeans> faile to get size of gamma for output
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[23:23] <SBeans> im using the RC connector
[23:23] <dmsuse> duno then other than trying to set your own :P
[23:23] <SBeans> I just want to know if Im indeed stuck with what I have
[23:24] <dmsuse> no doubt i am going to have the same problem tomorrow when i get my pi though
[23:24] <SBeans> how do I cahnge?
[23:25] <dmsuse> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37411/screen-resolution-stuck-at-1024x768
[23:25] <dmsuse> some info there
[23:25] <dmsuse> or add your own to xorg conf
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> zed time... laters!
[23:27] <dmsuse> cu
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[23:29] <Simon-> bootc: do you have a spare ethernet spi device?
[23:29] <SBeans> hmm that thread doesnt really help
[23:29] <Simon-> bootc: or anything appropriate to transferring a kernel from my pc?
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[23:29] <SBeans> my xdrandr says I just have 656x416
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[23:31] <bootc> Simon-: you want http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/enc624j600-ethernet-controller-board-p-747.html
[23:32] <bootc> the enc28j60 is a much worse predecessor to that chip
[23:32] <bootc> can't see how that can help you all that much though...
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[23:33] <Simon-> bootc: why?
[23:33] <Simon-> bootc: with your spi driver I could load a new kernel over ethernet
[23:34] <bootc> hmm, yeah, I guess
[23:34] <markus> I think KDE is going to be my default desktop environment for a while
[23:34] <bootc> let me see if I can forward-port my SPI to your kernel and get it working
[23:34] <bootc> got all your GPIO IRQ stuff checked-in?
[23:34] <Simon-> bootc: so I just need that device?
[23:34] <Simon-> yes
[23:35] <bootc> Simon-: pretty sure, but maybe best let me see if I can get mine going first!
[23:35] <Simon-> ok
[23:35] <bootc> well, mine is a enc28j60...
[23:35] <Simon-> oh
[23:35] <Simon-> does this come with a cable?
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[23:35] * Simon- looks for a 2x5 cable
[23:36] <bootc> no, you'll probably want female/female jumpers in your case
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[23:36] <bootc> Simon-: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-female-female-p-199.html
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[23:37] <Simon-> bootc: any restriction on cable length? I have some 0.5m stuff
[23:37] <bootc> erm, doubt you can get much speed on your SPI at that length
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[23:37] <bootc> longer the cable, larger the capacitance so more signal degradation
[23:38] <bootc> heck I only got 7.8MHz to my memory chips from the Pi with those cables, I doubt ethernet would fare much better :-)
[23:38] <bootc> so that's <7.8Mbps on a good day
[23:41] * fabrice1 (~fabrice@nat/mozilla/x-mxjdskghjvxwylow) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[23:41] * bootc attempts a kexec :-)
[23:41] <bootc> oh wow this works, nice one Simon- !
[23:43] <bbeattie> anyone figure out how to get alsa to play more than 1 sound stream at once via dmix? Is it even possible with this hardware?
[23:43] * MrWatson (~MrW@184.53.134.111) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:44] <Simon-> :)
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> I'm getting worried
[23:45] <Simon-> bootc: you need the pinctrl for gpio to work but there's no Kconfig requirement
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> I ordered my Pi
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> but I haven't heard back from RS Online
[23:45] * ashy (~ashy@b0ff18a8.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> should I panic?
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> it's beeon one week
[23:45] <Foxhoundz> since I ordered
[23:45] <Simon-> be patient
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[23:46] * PiBot sets mode +v Gadgetoid_Air
[23:47] <bootc> Foxhoundz: login to the RS site and have a look at the order status there
[23:47] <bootc> if there's an order on your account, you'll be fine
[23:48] <Simon-> I hope this ethernet chip works or I'm going to run out of stack space
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[23:48] <bootc> stack space?
[23:48] * PiBot sets mode +v AndChat|596400
[23:48] <bootc> temp1: +25.2??C (high = +160.0??C, hyst = +150.0??C)
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[23:48] <bootc> my Pi tells me it's getting hot in here
[23:48] <amelia_> :P
[23:48] <Foxhoundz> bootc: Account? I have an account there?
[23:49] <bootc> Foxhoundz: I'm guessing you do if you ordered one
[23:49] <Simon-> bootc: I'm developing the usb hcd, if I then have to stop to develop an ethernet device driver...
[23:49] <Foxhoundz> they just gave me a confirmation code
[23:49] <bootc> Simon-: heh, no drivers are there
[23:49] <Simon-> what?
[23:50] <bootc> Simon-: hmm, actually, the enc424j600 isn't there
[23:50] <bootc> :-/
[23:51] <bootc> only the enc28j60 driver is in there - I'm sure someone posted a driver for the newer chip too tho
[23:51] <bootc> maybe I only saw it floating round LKML and it never made it in-tree
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[23:53] <bootc> Simon-: anyway, which branch should I rebase my SPI code onto?
[23:54] <Simon-> bootc: rpi02-plat
[23:55] <Simon-> bootc: and rpi01-mach (for .dts changes)
[23:55] <Simon-> but you can just do it as two commits and I'll put them in the right place
[23:55] <bootc> and I bet you'll still pull the carpet from under my feet while I'm working on it :-)
[23:55] <bootc> (by rebasing)
[23:55] <Simon-> those branches will be rebased frequently
[23:55] <bootc> :-(
[23:55] <Simon-> you could base it on rpi-linear which is the same
[23:56] <bootc> rebasing makes bootc sad
[23:56] <Simon-> I can't send 1000 patches to the lkml
[23:56] <Simon-> the rebased branches keep everything together
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[23:56] * PiBot sets mode +v Compy
[23:56] <Simon-> so if you need to change some other driver, put it in a separate commit
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> Bah the sound on my video sounds dirty when played through the Pi
[23:57] <GabrialDestruir> Popping and crap.
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[23:58] <Simon-> probably a driver issue
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[23:59] <GabrialDestruir> Bah...

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