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IRC Log for 2012-05-22

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[0:00] <GabrialDestruir> Other stuff sounds fine... so it's something to do with how the file is encoded .-.
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[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> A52 Audio, 3F2R/LFE, 48000Hz, 384 kb/s
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[0:02] <bootc> Simon-: I'll work on rpi-linear then
[0:03] <DaQatz> My understanding is that the Pi's audio driver is an alpha state.
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[0:03] <amelia_> DaQatz: really? I'd like working audio on my Pi :P
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> Well I hadn't any issues with Audio over HDMi until now.
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[0:03] <Simon-> bootc: now editing the enc424j600 code
[0:04] <Simon-> bootc: this is your fault
[0:04] <DaQatz> amelia_, We all would, but we have to wait for them to finish the driver.
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[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> and suddenly it sounds fine
[0:05] <Simon-> usb, dma and sd are kind of more important than audio
[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[0:06] <amelia_> usb and sd seem to be working for me? :D
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[0:06] <DaQatz> Simon-, I agree
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[0:06] <DaQatz> Simon-, They do seem to work though
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[0:07] <Simon-> and the sound driver requires vchiq, so it's going to be last
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[0:07] <Simon-> (I am *not* rewriting vchiq, someone else will have to do it)
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[0:08] <bootc> Simon-: you already ordered that chip?
[0:09] <Simon-> bootc: yes
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[0:09] <Simon-> oh wait
[0:09] <Simon-> I could boot 3.1.9 and kexec
[0:09] <gurgalof> ffserver does not work in debian squeeze
[0:10] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[0:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[0:10] <Simon-> oh well
[0:10] <gurgalof> it just says Illegal instruction
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[0:10] <Simon-> except my kexec doesn't understand dt so I need to come up with some custom boot code
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm gonna have my Pi Automount Samba directs for the Video/Music/Etc
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[0:13] <bootc> yeah that might be a bigger issue
[0:13] <bootc> getting kexec to work with dt
[0:13] <bootc> I did say wait until I'd got mine working :-/
[0:14] <Simon-> it's a kexec problem
[0:14] <Simon-> well, not problem
[0:14] <Simon-> kexec feature
[0:14] <Simon-> you just need a newer release of kexec
[0:14] <Simon-> surely kexec supports dt?
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[0:14] <Simon-> and I can just hack in my own dt in front of the kernel
[0:15] <Simon-> just need to move the kernel up to 64KB
[0:15] <friggle> bootc: Simon-: if either of you do happen to know some ALSA hackers who might at least review Dom's code, I know he'd find it helpful
[0:15] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently I can't disable subtitles in XBMC -.-
[0:16] <GabrialDestruir> wtf
[0:16] <Simon-> http://s85.org/AsHpypSZ
[0:16] <Simon-> friggle: the problem is not the alsa code
[0:16] <friggle> Simon-: ah, that's good to know
[0:16] <Simon-> friggle: the problem is that it depends on the vchiq code which is a gigantic Broadcom thing with an ABI
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[0:17] <friggle> Simon-: well yes, hard to get round the vchiq requirement
[0:18] <Simon-> it may not actually depend on it
[0:19] <Simon-> oh
[0:19] <Simon-> actually it does
[0:19] <Simon-> someone will need to write a vcos subsystem
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[0:20] <friggle> Simon-: what, you mean we can't just push vchiq upstream as-is ;)
[0:20] <Simon-> you can try sending it as a patch to the lkml
[0:21] <Simon-> someone will personally visit you to disconnect you
[0:21] <friggle> should have submitted the patches on April 1
[0:21] <Simon-> I suspect the rpi broadcom devs will need to do it
[0:22] <Simon-> in their own time
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[0:22] <Simon-> it probably it needs a complete from scratch rewrite with large chunks ripped out of it
[0:22] <Simon-> much like the usb driver
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[0:23] <Simon-> e.g. vcos_mutex_create
[0:24] <friggle> Simon-: I'll flag it up. If you work magic on the USB driver it becomes the only real blocker
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[0:25] <Simon-> friggle: someone could work on the dmaengine driver too if they fully understand it, but I expect bootc or myself can finish that with time
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[0:25] <Simon-> I have a template in my rpi-next branch
[0:25] <Simon-> I haven't even tried to get the sd card driver to work, it's full of device specific quirks :/
[0:26] <friggle> Simon-: the Broadcom guys know the hardware inside out, but not upstream kernel standard and practices. So if you and bootc can do the dmanegine driver you're probably best placed
[0:26] <Simon-> friggle: some documentation on the DMA interface would be very helpful
[0:26] <friggle> Simon-: I'll drop an email to Eben and Dom. What do you need that isn't in the released spec?
[0:26] <Simon-> friggle: there's nothing in the released spec ;)
[0:27] <Simon-> oh.
[0:27] <Simon-> there is!
[0:27] <Simon-> I didn't see that
[0:27] <friggle> DMA engines are one useful thing that did get included :)
[0:27] <bootc> heh, oops :-)
[0:27] <SBeans> ls
[0:29] <Simon-> the doorbell stuff isn't documented so I kind of implemented the minimum based on what vcos is doing
[0:29] <Simon-> which will probably be enough but it'd nice to have something better than "check if it contains 0x4"
[0:30] <friggle> Simon-: I'll see if there's anything that can be sent without an NDA. If not, it might be easiest to just fire questions at Dom and the others
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[0:32] <Simon-> friggle: they should seek advice from http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page on vchiq
[0:33] <Simon-> determining how and where it should be put in the kernel is way beyond what I'm capable of
[0:33] <friggle> Simon-: noted
[0:35] <Simon-> (especially if alsa needs it; if it was just a character device it'd be simpler)
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[0:37] <friggle> the userspaces gl libs need it too, but I suppose there's not much sympathy from upstream kernel devs there
[0:37] <Simon-> as far as I can tell it's just a character device with an API
[0:37] <Simon-> I'm assuming you can probably get that in as long as the code conforms to the standards
[0:38] <friggle> my understanding is that upstream don't want to take code that solely exists to support proprietary drivers
[0:38] <friggle> but, in-kernel ALSA is a legitimate use-case
[0:38] <Simon-> oh
[0:38] <Simon-> can you get rid of /proc/vc-mem? does userspace require it?
[0:39] <Simon-> /dev/mem should work just as well
[0:40] <friggle> Simon-: I would expect it would be easy to do without even if the current userspace code does use it, but I don't have access to the codebase. We'll have to wait on Dom or one of the other Broadcom guys to answer
[0:40] <Simon-> the main issue with it for the future is just avoiding it being established in userspace libraries
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[0:42] <friggle> I'll flag it up. My understanding is that memory handling should change in the coming months as we hopefully get CMA support
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[1:29] <shirro> does anyone else sometimes have dwc_otg reset their keyboard and get a storm of key repeats? any known workarounds?
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[1:31] <shirro> damn, everyone is asleep
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> I'm not.
[1:33] <plugwash> can't say i've seen it but i've only tried using the Pi as a desktop device briefly
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> I, however, have no experience of that problem.
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> using a powered hub?
[1:34] <shirro> no. it is a keyboard. I shouldn't need one. It doesn't have an lcd and blinkenlights
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> What are you powering the Pi from?
[1:35] <shirro> Nothing I plug into the Pi is rated at more than 100mA. I use an iPad or iPhone psu
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> And actual apple one?
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[1:36] <shirro> SpeedEvil: yes. I didn't buy it specially for the Pi so I am not crazy
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[1:37] <shirro> it doesn't happen often but is kind of annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoying when it happens
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> I have that happen with my keyboard.
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> it's a ps/2 one on a USB converter.
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> It deletes chars though
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[1:39] <shirro> Has anyone managed to get the samsung usb drivers working on the Pi? It would be great to have an alternative, even if it lacks some functionality. Would also make it more obvious what is a hardware issue and what is buggy drivers
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[1:40] <shirro> Just walking the device tree with udevadm gets an oops out of dwc_otc. It is a house of cards
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> samsung usb?
[1:40] <friggle> shirro: I believe the s3c-hsotg is device mode only
[1:40] <friggle> shirro: Simon- has started tackling the dwc_otg driver though :)
[1:41] <shirro> Can he throw it out and start from scratch?
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[1:41] <friggle> shirro: seems to be roughly what he's doing https://github.com/lp0/linux/branches
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> It's not a samsung part.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> Why should a samsung driver work?
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[1:42] <friggle> SpeedEvil: s3c-hsotg which was integrated upstream is an instantiation of the same IP block
[1:42] <shirro> SpeedEvil: they make phones and stuff
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> k
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> shirro: I know
[1:43] <friggle> but they only did the otg part, which we don't care about
[1:43] <shirro> SpeedEvil: It isn't all their own IP blocks. They license stuff
[1:43] <Crenn-NAS> Damn it!! Still haven't been sent a Pi :(
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> shirro: sure.
[1:44] <shirro> friggle: that sucks. I though the otg was the bit they didn't do which was great. misread that one
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> OTG is not hostmode.
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[1:45] <SpeedEvil> Very few devices actually implement OTG properly.
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> OTG is hostmode + devicemode plus _wacky_ turnaround.
[1:46] <friggle> yes, so technically speaking this just did devicemode
[1:46] <friggle> *they
[1:47] <shirro> I keep meaning to play with OTG on the imx. Perhaps run a storage driver backed by it's 1GB ram as swap for the Pi :-)
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[1:52] <zgreg> is there anything new regarding the USB power/polyfuse issues, or the SD card compatibility and performance issues?
[1:53] <zgreg> after the reorganization, the forums are even more of a mess
[1:54] <plugwash> I haven't heard anything official from the foundation other than they are working on it
[1:54] <zgreg> hm.. okay
[1:54] <plugwash> my personal unofficial reccomendation if you are having voltage problems with USB devices is to bridge out the polyfuses on the USB ports
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[1:54] <SpeedEvil> Probably not insane.
[1:54] <zgreg> plugwash: yes, that seems like a good idea
[1:54] <plugwash> It's certainly not an issue that can be solved by software
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> However.
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> If you're having problems that are that close to the edge - you need to fix your PSU or cabling
[1:55] <zgreg> 140 mA limiting wouldn't really hurd, but the polyfuses apparently also have notable ohmic resistance to start with
[1:55] <zgreg> *hurt
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> 1400
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> It varies.
[1:55] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, BS, i've run the sums based on resistances people posted on the forums and with the PSU perfectly in spec the USB port voltage may well be out of spec
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> Thr 'untripped' resistance is considerably lower
[1:56] <plugwash> IIRC the untripped resistance was about 5-7 ohms
[1:56] <shirro> I will bridge them once I get a second board. My other arm board has a 1.1a polyfuse to cover both usb.
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> that is - a virgin device
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: nowhere near that
[1:56] <plugwash> at least that is what people claim on the forums, I haven't tested it myself yet
[1:57] <zgreg> the most practical test would be to simply check the voltage on the usb terminals
[1:57] <zgreg> with a device attached and in use
[1:57] <shirro> My power supply is 10W from a major manufacturer so I reckon I can handle a bit more current to the usb devices
[1:58] <zgreg> I think the SD performance issue is also pretty serious
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> To get serial working, do I need to connect the 5v line coming from the cable?
[1:58] <plugwash> zgreg, that would prove things for that particular device but to be sure in general you really need to build a 100ma (official max current for a low power device) dummy load to test with
[1:58] <shirro> sd performance is shocking. but is that just sd or is it the Pi?
[1:58] <zgreg> shirro: it's the pi
[1:58] <plugwash> anyway bridge out the USB polyfuses and hook up a 5V 2A PSU to the GPIO header and all your power problems will be solved even with high power devices.
[1:58] <zgreg> apparently the SD clock is limited to ~12 MHz, while it can be upped to 50 MHz
[1:59] <shirro> I have tried to align my partitions. I have journaling disabled. noatime. I am using eatmydata ffs. It is crazy
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[1:59] <zgreg> (random) write performance on most SD cards is crap, yeah, but that's a separate issue for the most part
[1:59] <shirro> zgreg: is that a software controlled clock
[2:00] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, your cable MUST have an IO voltage of 3.3V, the fact you talk about a 5V power line makes me worry that it doesn't
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[2:00] <zgreg> shirro: should be most likely, yes
[2:00] <SStrife> i have a USB hub that sends power out the "in" port.
[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, it's a 3.3v data level, but there's also a 5v line.
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[2:00] <plugwash> generally you shouldn't hook up any power lines between the USB-serial converter and the Pi
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[2:01] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, so just gnd, tx and rx?
[2:01] <plugwash> should be
[2:01] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, I'll give it a go
[2:01] <SStrife> is it normal for Pi to power up, if you stuff power in through the USB host ports?
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[2:01] <plugwash> SStrife, what will generally happen is it will start to power up but fail to complete boot
[2:02] <plugwash> because the polyswitches will trip
[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, yeah I think it's all connected to the same line.
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[2:02] <plugwash> bridge out the polyfuse and it should run quite happilly that way
[2:03] <plugwash> (assuming the hub can backfeed sufficient current)
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[2:03] <shirro> isn't that how the acorn guys discovered arm was low power - when they turned the power off and it kept running
[2:03] <SStrife> Sorry, did anyone answer that question? I got booted right after I hit Enter :-/
[2:03] <plugwash> SStrife, what will generally happen is it will start to power up but fail to complete boot
[2:03] <gurgalof> i've ordered 500mA polyfuses
[2:03] <plugwash> because the polyswitches will trip
[2:03] <plugwash> bridge out the polyfuse and it should run quite happilly that way
[2:03] <SStrife> ah
[2:03] <SStrife> ok
[2:03] <plugwash> (assuming the hub can backfeed sufficient current)
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[2:04] <SStrife> yeah, as I said last night, the hub I bought is a piece of rubbish
[2:04] <SStrife> the plugpack allegedly supplies 5v 2a, but it can't run a USB HDD
[2:04] <zgreg> btw, is the ALSA driver usable now?
[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a dodgy hub which makes my computer's fans spin when the computer is off... pi boots and runs when the hub is plugged into it =/
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[2:06] <DaQatz> It's a powered hub?
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[2:07] <DaQatz> Sounds like it's feeding power back in through the usb port.
[2:07] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/2016L050MR/F4070TR-ND/1211281 - for example - read the datasheet and look at the 1.5A trip fuse. 0.13 ohms min, 0.5 typ (this is after first trip), and 0.9 max
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[2:08] <DaQatz> A common issue with many jinky Chinese bought hubs.
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> (this is typically after lots of trips, or at elevated temp)
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[2:08] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, yeah that is a 1.5A trip device though
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: I'm guessing the one in question is a 1.4A device
[2:09] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly, I need to dig out my 9V batteries from the freezer to change out the batteries in my meters.
[2:09] <plugwash> my undestanding was that the major cause of USB volt drop was the low rating polyfuses on the USB ports, not the big one on the whole board
[2:09] <shirro> how fast can the Pi's spi go? Don't supposed there is a hostmode usb over spi board out there with good kernel support?
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[2:09] <plugwash> shirro, I suspect the honest answer is noone really knows
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[2:10] <tzarc> ugh, being sick sucks
[2:10] <shirro> tzarc: sick kids are worse
[2:10] <tzarc> I'd imagine so :P
[2:11] <plugwash> IIRC the max theoretical speed for the module is a couple of hundred megahertz but it's not clear what speed the hardware and software can actually keep up with
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[2:11] <tzarc> on the plus side, I've cleaned up my tmux config
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> SD is very SPI-like
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> It's probably safe to say at least 12MHz
[2:11] <shirro> I thought SD was SPI internally
[2:11] <zgreg> no, it IS spi ;)
[2:12] <zgreg> well, at least part of protocol is pure SPI
[2:12] <plugwash> zgreg, SD cards can operate in a number of modes one of which is SPI based
[2:12] <zgreg> yeah, I know
[2:12] <plugwash> but it's also the slowest shittiest mode afaict
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> SD is 4 bit wide though
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> (usually)
[2:12] <zgreg> yes, it's the slowest mode - but it's also great because it's almost trivial to implement
[2:13] <zgreg> crappy 8-bit MCUs with small amounts of flash memory can read and write SD without any problem
[2:13] <plugwash> also given how poorly defined SPI is "pure SPI" is a bit of a strange term
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[2:13] <zgreg> poorly defined? what are you referring to?
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: not really
[2:13] <zgreg> chip select?
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: you need at least 512 bytes of buffer memory
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> In practice quite a lot more to hold the filesystem state
[2:14] <GabrialDestruir> How can you check clock speed via ssh?
[2:14] <plugwash> rules for operating chip select (it's usually used as more than just a chip select), and which clock edges things happen on are all highly variable afaict
[2:15] <plugwash> and afaict there is no formal standard
[2:15] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: you *could* put together or filter data on the fly. but really, even tiny MCUs have at least 1 KB RAM nowadays
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: I'm pondering buying one with 20 bytes
[2:15] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, which one?
[2:15] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: cpu clock?
[2:15] <zgreg> well, that's another dimension of tiny, then :)
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> PIC10F
[2:16] <SpeedEvil> It's significantly cheaper in reasonable volumes.
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> the speed
[2:16] <zgreg> also, you don't necessarily need a complex file system like FAT, you can make your own
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> Like 700Mhz, 800Mhz, etc
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[2:16] <SpeedEvil> The ohter nasty part is that SDs don't really have a bounded time to respond to commands.
[2:16] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: I just look at /proc/cpu - I don't know it the clock speed is available directly
[2:17] <SStrife> zgreg: Exactly, just start writing bits to the card's sectors
[2:17] <SpeedEvil> Which can blow up buffer RAM a lot in some cases
[2:17] <SStrife> then dd them out to a file in Linux later :P
[2:17] <shirro> I mean /proc/cpuinfo
[2:17] <SpeedEvil> cpuinfo does not have the clock speed
[2:17] <shirro> No but you can guess from bogomips
[2:18] <shirro> It would be nice to have something in proc that listed the clocks for all devices on the system
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Hm mkay
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to figure out why there's a sudden slowness on my pi.-.
[2:20] <shirro> the freescale kernel has a /proc/cpu/clocks. lists 94 clocks in the system.
[2:21] <zgreg> bogomips should be about 2/3 of the clock speed in MHz
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Mine is showing about 795
[2:22] <zgreg> strange, it behaves differently on my armv6 device (non-pi)
[2:22] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: you are running 800Mhz then. Is about 1:1 on mine
[2:22] <zgreg> but maybe something is off on my end
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> But blah slowness.
[2:24] <zgreg> ah, looks like the bogomips on that device only refer to the clock at bootup
[2:24] <zgreg> GabrialDestruir: well, you can definitely see that the cpu isn't superscalar in the bogomips
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir> Something in XBMC has my CPU running at 100% -.-
[2:26] <DaQatz> !w
[2:26] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Tue May 22 04:27:00 2012. Temp 59??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 94%, Later 76??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> I swear xbmc on the pi is so fickle, I have no clue how I'd go about adding in a webserver too...
[2:27] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: can you see what is using cpu?
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Top only shows that it's XBMC
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> and as far as I know XBMC doesn't have an internal taskmanager type thing
[2:28] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you are still using openelec?
[2:28] <zgreg> IMHO XBMC isn't really a good fit for the pi
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[2:28] <zgreg> the UI is nice, but very resource intensive
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's the problem I'm coming across, it's resource intensive when it shouldn't be.
[2:29] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: The event loop is probably polling instead of sleeping or something. Or doing silly animations or something that don't make sense on a Pi
[2:29] <sraue> you can try to switch off the RSS ticker, then paste your xbmc.log with "paste /storage/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log"
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> I'm assuming it was either the skin I tried to install or the plugin that got installed with said skin.
[2:30] <Crenn-NAS> !w
[2:30] <PiBot> Crenn-NAS: in Melbourne, VIC on Tue May 22 15:00:00 2012. Temp 11??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 62%.
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> Since I disabled them and rebooted and CPU was fine. But it's a bit annoying how fickle it all is.
[2:31] <shirro> !w
[2:31] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Tue May 22 15:30:00 2012. Temp 286K. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 77%.
[2:31] <Crenn-NAS> shirro, about thhe same here then xD
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna give RaspbMC Beta a try since it's well....
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> not alpha xD
[2:33] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you think raspbmc has solved this problems? its the same xbmc openelec uses on top of debian... and xbmc for raspberrypi is very alpha
[2:34] <shirro> I think they called it Beta because you just got yourself a clock when you actually wanted a media player
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> Won't know til I try though, right?
[2:35] * zgreg remembers being shouted down for saying raspberry pi isn't actually so great for XBMC
[2:36] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, can you paste your xbmc.log with "paste /storage/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log" ?
[2:36] * plugwash thinks a lot of people got inflated expectations of the Pi and the foundation did nothing to bring them down to reality
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> XBMC isn't all that great for Pi I'd think, it seems to be inefficient when it comes to the pi.
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Sure.
[2:36] <shirro> zgreg: it is surprising good at playing video.
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> After I'm done making my backup.
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> It actually plays video really great.
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> As long as that's all you want.
[2:37] <zgreg> yeah, no surprise here
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> It does the menus too really great if you're not playing videos
[2:37] <zgreg> but XBMC is simply too bloated, especially if you want all that extra crap you can do
[2:37] <DaQatz> plugwash, Seems a lot of people have absurdly high or absurdly low expectations of what the pi can do.
[2:37] <sraue> the problem with xbmc is it redraws the complete gui, so there is much more cpu usage then while playing a video
[2:38] <zgreg> by the way, I wonder if video with (text) subtitles plays well
[2:38] <zgreg> rendering subtitles can be somewhat taxing
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> It plays with subtitles fine.
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone done DAB radio on linux?
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> I've been using the hulu plugin to watch anime, and some of the animes don't have hardcoded subs.
[2:38] <shirro> zgreg: I assume they use dispmanx to mix a couple of layers.
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> If so - with what hardware
[2:38] <sraue> zgreg, this works well, the problem is redrawing the gui and the whole thumpnails/fanart stuff
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> It works great, but again it's only if watch the video is all you want.
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[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> It shouldn't have to redraw the entire GUI
[2:40] <GabrialDestruir> Only the parts that have changed.
[2:40] <zgreg> are (normal, non-animated) SSA/ASS subtitles playing good?
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[2:41] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, if "DR" is enabled, openelec has enabled this with one of the very last builds per default
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[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> I have no clue what type of subs I was using.
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> Let me grab and post that log then I'm going to check out RaspbMC see if it works any better.
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ymkc0urtwne1sva/xbmc.log
[2:48] <zgreg> I'll try myself when I get a pi
[2:48] <zgreg> it should arrive this week
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[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't have debug enabled, so not sure how useful that log will be.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:51] <ShiftPlusOne> just wondering.... why bring out DNC pins?
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Didn't they say for further something or another?
[2:51] <zgreg> sigh, reading forum posts now that people in the "group" that should receive their pis this week have been given info by farnell that their will be another delay
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> They're suppose to be like "future expansion"
[2:52] <zgreg> s/their/there/
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ah fair enough.... I thought it was like having a do not press button or something.
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow.
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> why the delay?
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> RaspbMC actually has a full blown installer
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> (this time)
[2:53] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, ok, its enabled
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> What's enabled? >.>
[2:54] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: no clue
[2:54] <sraue> "dirty regions" so only the needed parts will be redrawn
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[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> I noticed in the Summar Info whatever it's doing to grab the info it's looking for is highly resource wasteful
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[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> The CPU jumps from maybe around 20% on the main screen to 80% on the summary info
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yay.... serial working and I didn't kill the pi
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> SPARK SPARK FIZZLE SNAP
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> shh! >=/
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> Oh this might explain the noise I was getting xD
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently if you try to play DTS/DD audio it's decoded by the CPU because the GPU isn't licensed for such stuff,
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> Which can apparently cause noise.
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[3:18] <shirro> Though if you have spend money on a decent sound system I am not sure why you would plug a $35 computer into it. Pi == media center for the kids tv
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[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> True.
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> Pi == Poor Man's Media Center :p
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[3:19] <shirro> Right so unless you have stolen a surround sound system during a riot or something you are probably just happy it plays video at all
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> I don't want JUST video, i want the video's audio too!
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, are you around by any chance?
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... this version seems more responsive than the OpenElec
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[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, haven't tried that one yet.... is it simpler to customize (add wireless, startup scripts and so on)? Is it just debian with xbmc?
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if it's just debian, I haven't tried SSHing into it.
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> But the base is debian.
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> so in theory it shouldn't be as rigid as openelec then =)... should give it a go, thanks.
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[3:26] <jaredforshey> anyone using the raspbmc distro? I have a question. How can I get to the terminal?
[3:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure you can directly.
[3:26] <GabrialDestruir> Have to ssh in
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> can't ctrl-alt-(f1-f12) ?
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> No
[3:27] <jaredforshey> ok, SSH worked. thanks!
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> but that doesn't really surprise me, after all Raspbmc is suppose to be media centric
[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> even if you add a tty to inittab?
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> Dunno haven't tried?
[3:28] <ShiftPlusOne> k
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm the slow navigation still seems to exist for the hulu plugin, but it doesn't appare to be as bad.
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> appear*
[3:31] <SStrife> !w
[3:31] <SStrife> naww
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[3:41] <jaredforshey> raspmc: for airplay, sam says to run "sudo apt-get -y install avahi-client", but when I look in the apt-cache there's nothing called avahi-client. There are similar ones, like libavahi-client. Anyone know if that's right?
[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> should be... no harm in trying
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> This version seems a bit resource hoggish.
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> 95% resources to xbmc even when it's doing nothing on the main menu
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[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> Well that puts a damper on raspbmc as a usable media center... lol
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[3:54] <SStrife> people are stuck in a desktop-pc frame of mind, developing stuff for raspi
[3:54] <SStrife> hence bloated stuf like raspbmc
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[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Personally I want something a bit desktopish.
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> More like raspbmc than openelec, something a bit more customizable.
[3:55] <SStrife> experience-wise, yeah, sure
[3:55] <SStrife> but writing for a low-cpu, low-ram environment
[3:56] <SStrife> brb
[3:56] <sraue> openelec is much more customizable, but at buildtime... at runtime it should work
[3:57] <jaredforshey> looks like perhaps avahi-daemon is actually what needs installed
[3:57] <GabrialDestruir> Unless I'm missing something vital, OpenElec is a lot more closed off than raspbmc at least /system wise.
[3:58] <sraue> no its more open
[3:58] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, more packaged than closed off.
[3:59] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, it's not customizable if you're a beginner. There's no documentation explaining the build proccess that I have seen anywhere.
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[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> The only real instructions I've seen are the "OpenElec meets Rpi" ones which basically say "This is how you type make to build"
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[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> Well that and proper disk formatting.
[4:00] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, are you around?
[4:01] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, the system at runtime should run, thats how openelec is designed, at buildtime you can change very much
[4:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I have no problem with the end result and the build proccess... just the documentation that's lacking.
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> The fact it's packaged mean it's less customizable for those of us who don't want to build our own.
[4:02] <sraue> and if you read the both articles: xbmc is not stable, thats why we dont release any "stable" builds, and both articles was written before i had the chance to put my hands on a RPi
[4:02] <sraue> so we had a working build before we have ever seen a raspi
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> the articles are great as well.... compiled the first time without any issues.
[4:03] <ShiftPlusOne> we're just saying if you want to add drivers, change the init script or anything like that, it's hard to figure out where to look.
[4:03] <sraue> and i cant do support if i provide ready builds without having the hardware, thats why i forced the users to be less lazy and compile byself
[4:05] <sraue> our latest builds includes a small script to create a SDcard with a single command
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[4:05] <sraue> and its done in 30sec...
[4:05] <anish> oh wow, busy channel
[4:05] <anish> question : does the pi need a keyboard to be connected to boot ?
[4:05] <ShiftPlusOne> anish, not at all
[4:05] <shirro> anish: no
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> No
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[4:06] <anish> hrm, some other booting issue then
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> But depending on build and such, if one isn't there it might not recognize it later.
[4:06] <anish> that's fine, i'm still trying to get it to boot
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> anish, anything on the screen?
[4:06] <anish> nope
[4:06] <anish> blank
[4:06] <anish> but all the blinkenlighten are on
[4:07] <shirro> hdmi video?
[4:07] <anish> yeah
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> then you can narrow it down to quite a bit
[4:07] <shirro> was hdmi plugged in when you powered up?
[4:07] <anish> yeah
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> if all the blinkenlighten are on, then the kernel is fine and the problem is between the pi and the monitor. have you tried ssh?
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> Was the tv on?
[4:08] <anish> yeah
[4:08] <anish> I haven't tried ssh, I'll do that now
[4:08] <anish> got a new card in the meantime, getting that up and running
[4:08] <shirro> because it does do hdmi detection to select video output which is why I asked. what distro? ssh is disabled on debian by default
[4:08] <anish> archlinux
[4:09] <shirro> ok, I am out of here then
[4:09] <anish> heh
[4:09] <anish> is debian more reliable ?
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> no, debian is not more reliable
[4:09] <shirro> no, I just don't know anything about arch
[4:09] <ShiftPlusOne> or less reliable
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[4:10] <anish> aah
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[4:11] <shirro> a lot of problems with initial boot have been fixed by people rewriting sd card or swapping card
[4:11] <anish> I just got a new one. if that doesn't work I'm gonna try a firmware upgrade just in case
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[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, in case you're interested, there's a small problem with mmc in your kernel: http://pastebin.com/Ze1dMxUW
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[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> Well.... I now have full access to openelec /system.... but I still don't know how to do what I want to do xD
[4:17] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, what do you want to do?
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> Change the default ssh password for root xD
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[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> and you refuse to build it yourself?
[4:18] <GabrialDestruir> It seems like it'd be a lot of hassle yes .-.
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> what kind of hassle?
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[4:20] <ShiftPlusOne> because if you build it yourself, to change the root password you just need to change 1 line in a file
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[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> if you refuse to build it yourself, you can extract or mount system (I am not sure which one it is) chroot into it, run passwd, then exit and repackage it.
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[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know if it's a cpio archive or what, haven't looked into it.
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[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> already unpacked it, the issue is passwd doesn't exist.
[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne> you sure... did you 'find -iname passwd' ?
[4:24] <GabrialDestruir> there's /etc/passwd
[4:24] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh
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[4:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I assure ou that the other methods are more of a hassle than typing make.
[4:27] <SStrife> question, if I change to a different start.elf, is sudo reboot enough to effect the changes, or should I power-cycle?
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> It's a hassle, because now that I've got the git, I'm not really any closer to changing the password than I was, because there's no friggin guide on it -.-
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[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, not 100% sure, but I think reboot should be fine.
[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, no guide on what? you have all the instructions there for you.
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> Really? I don't see anything that says "Hey here's where you change this if you want to do this" sure as hell isn't in the guide.
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> edit projects/RPi/options
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[4:31] <SStrife> taa
[4:31] <ShiftPlusOne> where it says ROOT_PASSWORD="openelec"
[4:31] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, we can make a deal, you can ask me all, and you put *all* in our wiki
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[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> See?
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> Hassle -.-
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[4:34] <anish> I think I might own the world's slowest card reader. I finished the firmware download before I could write the image
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[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, how would I go about making openelec patch the kernel or patch it myself before it builds?
[4:41] <sraue> put it in packages/linux/patches
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> simple enough, thanks
[4:42] <sraue> and it must be named like "linux-3.1.10-xxx-<description>.patch"
[4:42] <sraue> where xxx is the patch order number
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> xxx being?
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like my arch and openelec dual-boot thing should be set up by tomorrow.
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[4:43] <sraue> what you want patch?
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> the kexec thing https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
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[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> so that it works with my bootloader
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> well "bootloader" .... just an initrd
[4:46] <jamesglanville> anyone interested in 3d printed cases? I can do blue/purple/black/red/pink
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps... what do they look like and how much?
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[4:47] <jamesglanville> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270981352572?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[4:47] <jamesglanville> ??13.50, free shipping to uk, cheap to everywhere else
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> More hassle!
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, makerbot?
[4:49] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: prusa2 reprap
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[4:49] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: don't like makerbots at all
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> why not?
[4:50] <jamesglanville> they're very expensive, my prusa2 cost <??200 and beats the parts off a makerbot, even if you buy a full kit it's half the price, plus makerbot claims "open source" but isn't
[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough, I thought you were talking about reliability and the level of fine tuning required.
[4:51] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: I haven't tweaked my prusa much at all in 1000hrs and 1km of filament printed, I hear makerbots aren't any better, and it took maybe a couple of hours to calibrate
[4:52] <ShiftPlusOne> on that case, would an ide cable fit over the gpio pins?
[4:52] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: not sure, but I'd happily sell any modifications to make it so it fits
[4:53] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: looking at the picture on ebay of my (sold) r-pi, it might be a tight fit, so i'd probably sell a lid with a thinner lip
[4:53] <Syliss> i need to find someone on the west coast with a 3d printer
[4:55] <jamesglanville> Syliss: ask on #reprap, I bet there'll be someone close(ish)
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find the picture of your sold pi
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[4:56] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: look on the ebay page i linked to, it's the second picture
[4:56] <jamesglanville> i'll get a better one, one sec
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, yeah I saw that one
[4:57] <jamesglanville> http://i.imgur.co/yfjRu.jpg
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd actually like the connector under the lip and a slit in the side wall for the actual cable to pass through
[4:57] <jamesglanville> silly keyboard full of printed rubbish: http://i.imgur.com/yfjRu.jpg
[4:58] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: anything like that, you ask and i'll sell you one with easy mods like that for free
[4:58] <jamesglanville> i mean, no extra cost obviously, as opposed to free case :P
[4:58] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> does the pi slide around side to side or up and down in that case?
[5:00] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: it sits in grooves on every side, no wobble
[5:00] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: it's held completely rigidly - a reason I designed that case from scratch instead of using an existing one
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[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps then yeah... sign me up. Should I buy through ebay, or what?
[5:00] <GabrialDestruir> How long does it usually take OpenELEC to build?
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[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, a long long time
[5:01] <Syliss> lol
[5:01] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: you can either buy one on ebay, with a note saying what mods you want, or email me at james.n.glanville@gmail.com saying what you want, and i'll knock ??1 off the cost because ebay is expensive
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> like... 'leave it and go to sleep' long
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[5:01] <netman87> hi. how many auth for ordering have been send?
[5:01] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: let me know what colour you'd like, too
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[5:02] <GabrialDestruir> See?
[5:02] <GabrialDestruir> Hassle
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[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, if sleeping is a hassle then... yeah...
[5:03] <netman87> and then: is there any good ways to add battery and battery charger to raspberry pi? how about LVDS controller/adapters?
[5:03] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, and for that cable slit, do I need to provide the dimensions and such or can you try with a cable of your own?
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[5:04] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: just email me and i'll sort it, laptop battery dying now though :(
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[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> last question... what sort of 'blue' is it?
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> Just to change a default password?
[5:05] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: the blue from the pulley second last post: http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?175,124135
[5:06] <jamesglanville> or the lightcycle a bit further up
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> jamesglanville, alright, I'll send you an email in half an hour or so.
[5:06] <jamesglanville> but way better quality, those were testing the plastic, i've sorted all that now
[5:06] <anish> so my pi is indeed booting. just not doing video out
[5:06] <anish> is there any debugging help somewhere ?
[5:06] <jamesglanville> ShiftPlusOne: cool, i'm off to bed soon, but I can print everything by lunch tomorrow, and pending payment via paypal could post it by the last post tommorw
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> anish, got a 3.3v usb-ttl cable?
[5:07] <anish> do I need it ? I have ssh access
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> check cmdline
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> cat /proc/cmdline
[5:08] <anish> what am I looking for ?
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[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> momentie
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> if the resolution is supported by your monitor
[5:09] <anish> there is no vga= line there
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> is there width and height though?
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> can you paste it
[5:09] <anish> yeah, 720x480
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> does your display support that?
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[5:10] <anish> hrm. it's a tv, unsure
[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> try setting a more suitable resolution by setting hdmi_mode in config.txt http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure if that's the problem though, it's just the first thing I'd check
[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> try hdmi_mode=16 for example
[5:11] <anish> gotcha
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[5:13] <anish> should I be bothered with DMT vs CEA ?
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what they are
[5:14] <anish> it was on the wiki page, the mode values are different
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd leave it at default first
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> wait
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> read on
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Which values are valid for my monitor?
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> that part
[5:15] <anish> oh nvm, it's woring
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah nice
[5:16] <ShiftPlusOne> mode 16?
[5:16] <anish> yeah
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[5:17] <anish> I was a bit absorbed and forgot to look at the tv
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hehh
[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> Blah.
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[5:19] <jamesglanville> wow, have apparently 1mAh remaining on my netbook
[5:19] <jamesglanville> that is not a great deal of powahh
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[5:26] <Syliss> lol.
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[5:32] <jardiamj> I had been using my RPi with my old tv through RCA with no problems, when I connect it to my Sony TV through hdmi it tends to flicker when it starts, is it normal?
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[5:36] <Syliss> thats not good
[5:37] <jardiamj> I just updated the firmware and it seems to be behaving better now
[5:38] <jardiamj> it still flickers when it starts though
[5:39] <Syliss> hmm
[5:39] <anish> there seem to be a couple of hdmi modes aimed at reducing blanking
[5:39] <anish> maybe that will help ?
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[5:40] <jardiamj> where is the documentation about config.txt?
[5:41] <jardiamj> I don't seem to find it, I glanced at it the other day, but don't remember where.. lol
[5:41] <anish> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[5:41] <GabrialDestruir> I should create an account so I could reorganize that...
[5:41] <GabrialDestruir> It's seriously cluttered .-.
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> Oh someone did go through and organize it
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:44] <jardiamj> thanks anish
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> I need more SD Cards
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[5:46] <jardiamj> wow, the wiki page looks a lot better..
[5:47] <jardiamj> so do I GabrialDestruir ...
[5:47] <GabrialDestruir> and a couple more Pi's
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[5:48] <BugStalk> Anyone else actually get one working?
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> Get one what working?
[5:48] <jardiamj> one what?
[5:48] <BugStalk> um.... a Raspberry Pi
[5:49] <jardiamj> I'm setting up openBox on Debian Wheezy right now
[5:50] <BugStalk> I got Lynx loaded on the lightweight version now.... browsing in 3D text
[5:50] <GabrialDestruir> lol... my Pi works
[5:50] <BugStalk> The Pi I never doubted..... it was my debian skills that are rusty
[5:51] <wasmith> BugStalk: yeah, mine worked just fine
[5:51] <wasmith> dd'ed the image to the SD card
[5:51] <wasmith> bunged it in
[5:51] <wasmith> booted up
[5:51] <wasmith> and was away
[5:51] <BugStalk> I made the mistake of reading the wiki
[5:51] <wasmith> heh
[5:51] <wasmith> if you know how to use linux
[5:51] <wasmith> you're fine
[5:52] <BugStalk> I must have found 15 new ways to format an SD card.... none of which were necessary
[5:52] <wasmith> lol
[5:52] <jardiamj> lol
[5:52] <wasmith> yeah, dd does all that for you
[5:53] <BugStalk> yea, the only thing I ever really used dd for in the past was wiping hard drives with null
[5:53] <jardiamj> any one recommends a good file manager to install on openBox?
[5:54] <wasmith> jardiamj: yeah
[5:54] <BugStalk> Don't ask me - I'm a yast/RPM (Suse user)
[5:54] <wasmith> but the name has just escaped me
[5:54] <wasmith> ummm
[5:54] <jardiamj> which one wasmith?
[5:54] <BugStalk> I just apt-get
[5:54] <wasmith> jardiamj: hang on, i'm trying to remember
[5:54] <jardiamj> Rox?
[5:55] <wasmith> nope, wasn't that
[5:55] <wasmith> ummmm
[5:55] <BugStalk> aptitude?
[5:55] <BugStalk> or is that only text based?
[5:55] <wasmith> aptitude is a package manager :p
[5:55] <jardiamj> synaptic is the GUI I believe
[5:55] <BugStalk> My bad... I thought thats what he was asking
[5:57] <SStrife> i reckon /dev/urandom is better for wiping HDDs
[5:57] <wasmith> i think its thunar
[5:57] <wasmith> that teh one i used iirc
[5:57] <jardiamj> let me google it..
[5:58] <BugStalk> perhaps strife - I've always used /dev/null
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[5:58] <jardiamj> I'll install docky as my dock, how does that sound?
[5:58] <wasmith> telling freshers to run cat /dev/urandom >> file.txt & is funny
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> What?
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> not
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> d if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM?
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> dd*
[6:00] <wasmith> thats a little too harsh
[6:00] <jardiamj> lol
[6:01] <BugStalk> nasty
[6:01] <GabrialDestruir> Just put it in a 100 time loop >.>
[6:02] <jardiamj> installing midori is taking quite a bit of time...
[6:02] <GabrialDestruir> Building OpenELEC is taking a lot of time.
[6:03] <BugStalk> Why midori? why not chrome or firefox?
[6:03] <GabrialDestruir> Lot of hassle for a simple password change....
[6:04] <jardiamj> Isn't it lighter?
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[6:04] <wasmith> midori is much lighter
[6:04] <BugStalk> So is Lynx.... but you can't watch video's on it
[6:04] <wasmith> firefox is a fat whore
[6:05] <jardiamj> that's the only reason I'm installing midori, I've read in the forums people complaining about how slow firefox and chrome are...
[6:05] <jardiamj> lol at wasmith
[6:05] <GabrialDestruir> Just go the XBMC way
[6:05] <wasmith> hey
[6:05] <jardiamj> I don't it to watch videos, I have a google TV
[6:05] <GabrialDestruir> It does Youtube and Hulu and other video sites just fine
[6:05] <wasmith> its true!
[6:05] <BugStalk> I've read good things about XBMC
[6:05] <BugStalk> Don't know much about it
[6:06] <jardiamj> yep, that's what I'm planning to do, get raspbmc in another card..
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[6:07] <jardiamj> just switch cards, and we are all set... that's cool, isn't it?
[6:07] <BugStalk> Side question - has anyone seen any write-ups on the pinouts of the GPI's?
[6:07] <GabrialDestruir> I should of timed this build
[6:07] <wasmith> yep
[6:07] <wasmith> one moment
[6:07] <GabrialDestruir> just to see how ridiculously long it takes.
[6:08] <wasmith> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[6:08] <BugStalk> Thanks was
[6:08] <wasmith> thats what i've been reading
[6:08] <wasmith> no probs BugStalk
[6:09] <BugStalk> That is my primary function - planning on setting it (them) up as IP controllable remote control boxes........ once I get one working - the rest will be a piece of Pi
[6:09] <GabrialDestruir> There
[6:09] <GabrialDestruir> that should speed things up
[6:09] <wasmith> mine will be talking to an arduino over the UART
[6:10] <wasmith> and going inside a robot boat
[6:10] <GabrialDestruir> mind you I'm starting from the begining again... but oh well
[6:11] <anish> hrm, anyone seen this error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so
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[6:11] <anish> can't get rid of it
[6:12] <jardiamj> I took the class at udacity.com on how to build a self-driving car, and I want to try something out with my Pi to see how well those algorithms go on real life...
[6:13] <GabrialDestruir> I completely forgot about -j
[6:16] <jardiamj> it seems like my Pi lost it's Internet connection
[6:16] <GabrialDestruir> Not enough power?
[6:16] <BugStalk> BOOKMARKED! Thanks was - that was a boon of information!
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[6:18] <BugStalk> speaking of power - are there more power limitations on the USB ports than normal?
[6:19] <jardiamj> do you think that's the problem?
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[6:19] <GabrialDestruir> idk if it was fixed, but earlier they were saying GPIO section was all wrong
[6:20] <GabrialDestruir> Well, I've heard that if there's not enough power to power the USB ports the network connection will die.
[6:21] <BugStalk> I tried to run a USB dvd player - it wouldn't even boot with the dvd player plugged in... kept power cycling. I thought there was a standard as to how much voltage and current a USB was supposed to handle.
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi needs 700mA to power both USB plugs I think
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> and itself
[6:21] <anish> yep
[6:21] <anish> grr. firmware update= network failure
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[6:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wish Make had a progress a bar
[6:23] <GabrialDestruir> Something that basically says "This is how far we are to finish"
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[6:24] <BugStalk> Gab - can't use kill -USR1 XXXXX(where X is the task number)
[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> killall xxx
[6:24] <anish> it's SIGUSR1 isn't it ?
[6:24] <BugStalk> ^^ that was a question
[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> where xxx is the name
[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> so like
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[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> killall ssh
[6:24] <jardiamj> I just have a bluetooth dongle connected to it and the hdmi cable of course
[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> it'll kill everything with ssh in the name
[6:24] <jardiamj> but it lost the connection
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[6:25] <BugStalk> No - you open a term window - pgrep -l '@Make$'
[6:25] <BugStalk> then kill -USR1 and whatever the pgrep returns
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[6:27] <BugStalk> sorry not @Make... '^Make$'
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[6:29] <GabrialDestruir> ohs o.O
[6:29] <BugStalk> I've got to admit - this little box is VERY good at what it is designed to do....
[6:30] <BugStalk> I've learned/remembered more about the command line interface than I've had to use in about 5 years!
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[6:32] <jardiamj> something went wrong and midori didn't install, I had to restart it
[6:33] <BugStalk> Is it plugged in?
[6:33] <jardiamj> o_0
[6:34] <trevorman> BugStalk: you need a powered hub if your devices need more than about 140mA
[6:34] <anish> i'm curious if using one of those 1A+ power supplies would solve that
[6:34] <trevorman> no
[6:35] <BugStalk> Thanks trev - kind of figured that one out very early on
[6:35] <trevorman> the USB socket power has a polyfuse on it
[6:35] <trevorman> and the input power to the RPi has another polyfuse
[6:35] <BugStalk> I don't think so anish. I think there are physical limitations on the output of the USB itself
[6:36] <anish> ~500mA iirc ? I could be wrong
[6:36] <trevorman> the polyfuse won't let you draw 500ma
[6:36] <BugStalk> trev - do you know the rating on that fuse?
[6:36] <BugStalk> (curious)
[6:36] <trevorman> 140mA
[6:36] <trevorman> per port
[6:36] <GabrialDestruir> So basically to run anything that actually needs 500mA
[6:37] <BugStalk> There it is
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> You need a hub.
[6:37] <trevorman> yes
[6:37] <trevorman> the power input to the RPi has a 1.1A fuse
[6:37] <BugStalk> That is all cleared up now
[6:38] <BugStalk> Yes, but there is a big difference between 1.1 Amps and .14 Amps (140mA)
[6:38] <GabrialDestruir> Sighs.
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> I've got this great media center
[6:39] <BugStalk> If the output of the USB is fused at .14 - then that the max you can put out from it
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> and nothing to watch.
[6:39] <trevorman> BugStalk: I know
[6:39] <trevorman> I'm just saying that the input has a 1.1mA polyfuse
[6:39] <trevorman> 1.1A
[6:39] <Eigen> man
[6:39] <trevorman> so even if you plugged the RPi into a 10A 5V PSU then you can't get 500mA out of both the USB ports
[6:39] <BugStalk> exactly
[6:40] <Eigen> anyone has a e350 amd picoitx board?
[6:40] <Eigen> *does anyone have
[6:40] <trevorman> the polyfuse on the power input would stop you and even if you bypassed that, the polyfuses on the USB ports would stop you.
[6:40] <GabrialDestruir> It ever bug anyone else when you're downloading a torrent, and you're uploading fast than you're downloading? .-.
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[7:00] <GabrialDestruir> Okay... now I know there's something wrong -.- downloading the latest ubuntus from their site and only getting about 5KB/s
[7:02] <anish> use torrent
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> Bah...
[7:02] <anish> also
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> someone enabled the download limit on my torrents
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[7:02] <anish> don't use ubuntu :D
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> I prefer Ubuntu, simple to set up :p
[7:03] <anish> terrible to use though
[7:03] <GabrialDestruir> Only time I ever have to use it is for stuff like making OpenELEC -.-
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[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> lovely -sighs-
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> my OpenELEC went and killed itself
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[7:11] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, aside from xbmc, what do you intend to use your pi for?
[7:12] <jardiamj> I just launched iceweasel and my screen went black...
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[7:12] <jardiamj> I guess I didn't pray enough before launching it..
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[7:13] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't decided yet.
[7:13] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking of setting up a server and doing something with that. But OpenELEC isn't gonna be easy to get a server onto and RaspbMC still needs a lot of work.
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[7:17] <SStrife> A Linux desktop or laptop seems to be a pre-requisite for playing with Pi...
[7:17] <SStrife> I've gotten by mostly with my Mac,
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> Honestly I just got it cause I thought it'd be a nice inexpensive replacement to using my desktop as a Media Center and it'd allow my to screw around with it.
[7:17] <SStrife> but, for instance, repartitioning the sd card, it's so much easier with gparted
[7:18] <GabrialDestruir> Also if you want to do anything with the second or third or w/e partition
[7:18] <GabrialDestruir> Windows can see them
[7:18] <GabrialDestruir> can't*
[7:18] <SStrife> that too
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, surely there is a gparted equivilent for macs?
[7:19] <SStrife> i'm sure there is
[7:19] <SStrife> but the faster solution was to burn off gparted to a cdrw, and use that
[7:19] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm.... I just realized if I want to obtain a lot of High Def shows...
[7:19] <SStrife> Mac has great tools for maniuplating HFS+ partitions
[7:19] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna need to invest in a new hard drive.
[7:20] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, GabrialDestruir try this (experimental) build if the GUI "feels" better
[7:20] <SStrife> you can resize your OS partition on the fly
[7:20] <SStrife> but it wont touch ext*
[7:20] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, GabrialDestruir: http://sraue.openelec.tv/image/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120522070131-r11051.tar.bz2
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, http://alternativeto.net/software/gparted/?platform=mac
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> Will do.
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> the gui felt good enough as it is to me
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> The only issue I really have with the GUI is if you try to use it during playback it all goes to shit.
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> er
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> crap
[7:23] <SStrife> the only alternative, stellar, only works with HFS+ partitions anyway, may as well use diskutil :)
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... that's odd, there's always virtual machines and the gparted livecd
[7:24] <SStrife> i thought that
[7:24] <SStrife> Parallels wont mount the SD card in the VM
[7:25] <SStrife> maybe another VM package will, i havent tried that
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> VirtualBox
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Ubuntu
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Problem solved.
[7:25] <SStrife> I have ubuntu in parallels, but yea, like i said, maybe another vm package
[7:25] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, do you use a usb adapter for the sd card or a built in slot?
[7:25] <SStrife> built-in, i know a USB one will work
[7:25] <SStrife> but that means going out and buying one :P
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> going out? don't be silly
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> You mean...
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> LEAVE THE HOUSE?
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> Zomg! No that sounds horrific!
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[7:26] <SStrife> outside sucks, but the graphics are pretty good
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm almost good as High Def
[7:27] <haltdef> kinda like crysis
[7:27] <SStrife> haltdef: exactly like crysis :P
[7:27] <haltdef> I need to give metro 2033 a go
[7:28] <haltdef> see if I can max it out at 2560x1440
[7:28] <SStrife> nah, i've ordered a USB SD reader, just waiting for it to show up
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[7:28] <SStrife> but I'm a tightwad, so I ordered it from DealExtreme
[7:28] <haltdef> I've been bootstrapping and imaging via my spare android phone :/
[7:28] <SStrife> so i guess I'll see it in a month or so
[7:29] <SStrife> I thought about that, but my MicroSD cards are all slow
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> A month if you're lucky
[7:29] <SStrife> otherwise i could easily use my old HTC Dream
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> two or more if you aren't.
[7:29] <jardiamj> what is CEA and DMT in the hdmi_group
[7:30] <SStrife> that old thing is begging for a re-flash, back to Android 1.6
[7:30] <SStrife> runs like a dog with froyo
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[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> dogs run pretty well.... J/s
[7:30] <SStrife> GNex with ICS runs like a cheetah though :P
[7:30] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, I've been using my G1 as an sd card reader as well >.>
[7:30] <SStrife> and the dog is pretty old
[7:31] <haltdef> still waiting for ICS to be ported to my zte blade
[7:31] <haltdef> think they're having trouble with binary graphics drivers
[7:34] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, does a bigger file mean better quality or just worse compression? >.>
[7:34] <SStrife> that's a pretty low-end device
[7:34] <SStrife> one and the same, GabrialDestruir :P
[7:34] <SStrife> higher bitrate should give better picture quality,
[7:35] <SStrife> "worse" compression
[7:35] <SStrife> i.e. a worse ratio
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[7:35] <SStrife> a poor quality encoder will produce the same size file, for a given bitrate
[7:35] <SStrife> in that case, the proof can only be found in the pudding.
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[7:36] <SStrife> (suck it and see! :P)
[7:37] <GabrialDestruir> So 3GBs for a bluray rip is an acceptable size?
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[7:38] <SStrife> my rip of Iron Man is 8GB
[7:38] <SStrife> but that's a longer movie
[7:39] <SStrife> and that's 1080p
[7:39] <gurgalof> i have an BDrip that is 25GB
[7:39] <SStrife> that's direct off the disk though, isn't it?
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> Bah I don't remember files being so big xD
[7:39] <SStrife> not recompressed to X264 or something
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> I remember when a move use to be like a Gig max
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[7:40] <gurgalof> SStrife, it is x.264
[7:40] <GabrialDestruir> movie*
[7:40] <SStrife> oh?
[7:40] <SStrife> Oh
[7:40] <SStrife> Pfft
[7:40] <SStrife> brainfart
[7:40] <SStrife> movie blurays are normally dual layer arent they?
[7:41] <gurgalof> i think so
[7:41] <SStrife> right
[7:42] <SStrife> anywho
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> 110 Dollars for a 2TB USB 3.0 External...
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> that's not bad.
[7:42] <SStrife> the moral of the story is: HD movie files are BIG.
[7:42] <gurgalof> yep
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[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> what is ttyAMA0 anyway?
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> is that the serial?
[7:59] <SStrife> looks that way
[8:00] <jardiamj> My tv keeps on blanking and everytime I write something to the /boot/config.txt file I've created it get's wiped out when I boot
[8:01] <jardiamj> when I run this: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice ?m CEA
[8:01] <jardiamj> it gives and error
[8:02] <jardiamj> tvservice: error while loading shared libraries ...
[8:02] <anish> libfoo.so ?
[8:02] <anish> yeah, I have the same error
[8:03] <SStrife> put the SD card in another computer, and edit config.txt there
[8:03] <SStrife> see what happens
[8:04] <jardiamj> if I run: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA
[8:04] <jardiamj> it says: [E] Failed to initialize VCHI (ret=-1)
[8:05] <jardiamj> I'll edit the config.txt file in my laptop..
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> jardiamj, did you run it as root?
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[8:06] <anish> I did, doesn't make a difference
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[8:06] <SStrife> if i ever feel the need to edit config.txt while Pi is running, I always "sudo sync" afterwards
[8:06] <SStrife> just to be doubly sure
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[8:07] <SStrife> or you can "sudo poweroff"
[8:08] <SStrife> just to make sure there aren't any changes stuck in write-behind
[8:08] <SStrife> (does Pi even use write-behind caching?)
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[8:12] <jardiamj> yes ShiftPlusOne
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[8:13] <jardiamj> i'm trying to edit it on my Debian system now,
[8:13] <jardiamj> it doesn't want to edit it
[8:14] <ShiftPlusOne> jardiamj, no idea, I just thought it might be worth a shot.
[8:15] <jardiamj> I edit the file but when I try to umount the partition it says that one or more applications are keeping the volume busy
[8:19] <anish> hrm, anyone know how I can get a previous version of this file https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/zipball/master
[8:19] <anish> specifically, the one from may 11th ?
[8:22] <jardiamj> wonderfull my system partition got corrupted somehow..
[8:22] <jardiamj> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2,
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[8:29] <jardiamj> well it boots fine... so I don't know what happened
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[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> I remember now why my torrents were capped xD
[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> Hard to watch Hulu and youtube with torrents blasting away.
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[8:36] <Orb> It is? :P
[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> Yep xD
[8:38] <jardiamj> why does my tv blanks so much?
[8:39] <GabrialDestruir> Blank how?
[8:39] <GabrialDestruir> and when?
[8:40] <jardiamj> when it starts, and sometimes it suddenly goes black and I can just see a little image flickering on the back..
[8:40] <jardiamj> like wanting to come back but just stays there
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe your TV is dying?
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[8:41] <jardiamj> my TV is fairly new
[8:42] <jardiamj> I just launched my web browser and it went black
[8:42] <jardiamj> no idea why...
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[8:42] <jardiamj> I can still ssh to it
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well either your output is failing for some reason, or your TV
[8:42] <jardiamj> it's just the screen
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> 's backlight is going
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> or uhm
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[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> screensaver maybe?
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> screen saver tends to "dim" so that could be it.
[8:43] <jardiamj> no, I don't think so...
[8:43] <jardiamj> I haven't been able to launch the browser, I think it's an HDMI thing..
[8:44] <jardiamj> or has something to do with my tv in specific...
[8:44] <jardiamj> it's a Google TV
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> It could be something to do with the settings on the OS.
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> Or in your smart tv
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[8:44] <jardiamj> maybe it's not so smart after all.
[8:45] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:45] <dipstick> not so smart if it's flickering ;P
[8:45] <jardiamj> I've checked the configuration to no avail
[8:45] <dipstick> idea: try another hdmi cable
[8:45] <jardiamj> I'll do that dipstick...
[8:46] <dipstick> cable could be faulty
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[8:47] <jardiamj> that was my first thought, but somehow I could believe in a faulty cable...
[8:47] <jardiamj> it's just a cable
[8:48] <dipstick> loose wires can cause flickering. digital or analog.
[8:49] <jardiamj> I'll try another HDMI cable tomorrow, for now I'll just plug it to my old tv
[8:50] <dipstick> always good to have backups and backups for the backups :P
[8:51] <jardiamj> hahahaha... yep, you are right...
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[8:52] <dipstick> I need to get me some longer hdmi cables, the one's I got are just 6'
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[8:55] <dipstick> got lots of usb cables :D and a some chopped up ones :P
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[9:00] <jardiamj> I'm not so full of cables, but I might end up just like you dipstick
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> I kind of feel bad for watching hulu without commercials .-.
[9:00] <dipstick> GabrialDestruir: why?
[9:00] <ShiftPlusOne> you can pause every 5 minutes to look at a coke can for 2 minutes.
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> Because commercials are how they keep costs for their service low? lol
[9:01] <dipstick> jardiamj: I have a 18 gal tub full of cables and it's overflowing. plus, theres some drawers in my closet for more cable lol.
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> dipstick, hoarding cables ey?
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I threw out my tub of cables
[9:02] <GabrialDestruir> EverytimeI hoard cables they get tangled.
[9:02] <dipstick> most usb, power, audio, composite...
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> since they were mostly 'just in case' and that case never happened.
[9:02] <GabrialDestruir> I can put them all in untangled, yet when I go back to the tub months later it's trashed.
[9:03] <ShiftPlusOne> now there's a new tub of cables building up
[9:03] <GabrialDestruir> I find when you get rid of things that you had "Just in case"
[9:03] <GabrialDestruir> after they're gone that case comes up
[9:03] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that happened as well... had to buy an rca-rca cable and a phono-rca cable, though I would've had plenty
[9:04] <dipstick> lol
[9:04] <Iota> We had a power cut last night. :'( I lost my 24+ day uptime on my Raspberry Pi.
[9:04] <Iota> Think I need an UPS.
[9:04] <dipstick> I chop some of mine for other purpose.
[9:05] <dipstick> Iota: use a rechargable usb battery :)
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I keep wall warts though.... they always come in handy.
[9:05] <Iota> :D#
[9:05] <jardiamj> lol
[9:06] <Orb> When did you guys order yours?
[9:06] <Orb> I think I ordered back in February and it is expected in August.
[9:06] <dipstick> I don't use wall warts much. I simply borrow power from my running psus.
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Orb, 5 minutes after launch
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[9:07] <dipstick> Orb: I ordered mine on the 3 days after launch.
[9:07] <dipstick> I'm expecting it in about a month.
[9:07] <ShiftPlusOne> had mine for quite a while now
[9:07] <Orb> Launch was in ... January?
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[9:08] <dipstick> feb 29
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[9:08] <Orb> I must have ordered mid March
[9:08] <Orb> anyway, wow, what a wait, right?
[9:08] <dipstick> march 3rd is when I ordered mine.
[9:09] <dipstick> yeah, no one expected 100k people wanted it.
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> Except ya know
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> the foundation
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> which told farnell and RS as much
[9:09] <dipstick> they was expecting like 10k
[9:10] <GabrialDestruir> The foundation had a notification list which supposedly had close to 100k the first batch was only 10k cause that's how many they had made before hand.
[9:10] <dipstick> I wonder if the pi's are going out in sequential order of the s/n
[9:11] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, because mortgaging your house can only give you so much funding
[9:11] <GabrialDestruir> Well yes.
[9:11] <ShiftPlusOne> and you wouldn't want to make 100k and have them turn out to be faulty either
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[9:13] <GabrialDestruir> But still. It wasn't a matter of they knew they had 100k interest and felt they didn't have to meet demand, more of they knew they had 100k interesting and could only meet 10k worth of demand.
[9:13] <GabrialDestruir> That was the purpose of them licensing to farnell and RS I thought, to meet the rest of the demand.
[9:13] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: did you see http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/22/another-new-rpi-kernel/
[9:13] <bootc> has working kexec
[9:14] <jardiamj> iceweasel is quite responsive, but not pretty on my old tv.. lol
[9:14] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking about spending a couple hundred and investing in a Bluray drive and a 2TB HD for my Pi
[9:14] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, i've patched the kernel with simon's patch already. Or does your patch allow you to boot non-patched kernels?
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[9:15] <dipstick> blueray requires 20-25MB/s, wouldn't have any bw left for a hdd on a pi.
[9:16] <Ben64> raspberry pi doesn
[9:16] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: no way you can boot a non-patched kernel
[9:17] <Ben64> 't play bd
[9:17] <GabrialDestruir> It can't?
[9:17] <GabrialDestruir> Well that sucks .-.
[9:17] <Ben64> probably not
[9:17] <Ben64> you should try it, for science
[9:17] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, yeah, that's a shame, I tried putting that line straight into kexec.c, right before the reboot, just to see if it would work. Didn't accomplish anything.
[9:18] <GabrialDestruir> I could try and if all else fails I have a BDD for my desktop.
[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, still having trouble with your kernel though. Refuses to work with the sd card. Recognises it and everything, but complains and fails to use it properly.
[9:19] <GabrialDestruir> Plus even if the BDD requires 20-25MB/s USB 2.0 specifications say there should be at least 60MB/s
[9:19] <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: could you do me a favour and revert 84045e4 and see if that fixes anything?
[9:20] <dipstick> real world speeds havn't approched that in my experience.
[9:20] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, sorry, a bit clueless with git, how do I do that?
[9:20] <bootc> 'git revert 84045e4' :-)
[9:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, intuitive enough, thanks
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[9:21] <bootc> it may not help you at all, but FrankBuss seems to be saying it fixed his
[9:22] <Ben64> GabrialDestruir: its mpeg2, won't work on pi
[9:22] <dipstick> and I don't think the r-pi can handle 60MB/s...
[9:22] <bootc> bluray is h.264
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[9:23] <Ben64> bootc: it can be
[9:24] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.
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[9:25] <GabrialDestruir> So what, it'd depend on the DVD?
[9:25] <GabrialDestruir> er
[9:25] <dipstick> but you can try it if you really wanted...
[9:25] <GabrialDestruir> Bluray
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[9:26] <mjr> "For video, all players are required to support MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, and SMPTE VC-1."
[9:26] <mjr> so yeah it depends
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[9:27] <Ben64> just download mkv's like normal people :P
[9:27] <bootc> clearly it would only have a chance of working for the H.264 encoded ones then
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[9:27] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could just get the Bluray for my desktop then rip the videos to disk as H.264 and play them via Pi
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[9:29] <ShiftPlusOne> argh... can't get git sorted out... keeps complaining about conflicts
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir> The problem with downloading MKVs is it tends to be illegal.... and or take a long ass time xD
[9:31] <mjr> well, it's often faster than shopping for a piece of plastic that goes to trouble to prevent you from doing what you want with it
[9:31] <GabrialDestruir> True...
[9:32] <dipstick> heh heh heh very true
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could just ditch the Bluray Idea and go with two extra HDDs...
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir> -ponders-
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[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir> Decisions decisions
[9:34] <lennard> also, the legal stuff makes your life as unhappy as possible with un-skippable crap-warnings about how you shouldnt do what you're not doing anyway (the pirating)
[9:35] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:35] <lennard> its true!
[9:35] <GabrialDestruir> "We know you bought this.... BUT DONT PIRATE MOVIES ITS STEALING"
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[9:37] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... I'm so out of touch with what "Good" prices are for drives and such
[9:39] <Orb> You don't see those warnings in the pirated versions. :P
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[9:40] <GabrialDestruir> Yes but if you use the wrong torrent you get lovely little "Such and such a company said you were infringing their copyright..... do it again and we might take action"
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[9:40] <GabrialDestruir> and what with all the constant attempts to pass laws that say the government can just do whatever they want....
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> unless your ISP tells them to GTFO
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[9:41] <Orb> Is anyone really getting in trouble over it?
[9:41] <Orb> I mean downloading, not distributing.
[9:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'm with Verizon... so who knows.
[9:41] <GabrialDestruir> Downloading know....
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[9:42] <GabrialDestruir> no*
[9:42] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think ISPs are pushing the issue, it's the "seeding" that gets you in trouble.
[9:42] <Orb> well, i hate to be a leech but i disconnect after download.
[9:43] <Orb> and also, you should run an IP blocker list.
[9:43] <Orb> and also, well, if you happen to be on the neighbor's wireless, it can't hurt.
[9:43] <Orb> :P
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I could setup the Pi to use the neighbors wifi to seed for me >.>
[9:43] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, ISPs aren't required to give any info without a court order
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> Currently...
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yet they do... they are compliant with the whole thing
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> With CISPA in the works that might not be the case anymore.
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> apart from my ISP... which was taken to court
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and won
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> CISPA basically says the 4th amendment doesn't exist online.
[9:45] <GabrialDestruir> and the government can do whatever they want.
[9:45] <Orb> ISPs should not be made to suffer because movie makers are crying.
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[9:45] <ShiftPlusOne> the whole Xth amendment is kind of irrelevant now your constitution doesn't have much legal power now.
[9:46] <RaYmAn> bootc: Probably just me being stupid, but I can't seem to find any reference to kexec commits on your github
[9:46] <GabrialDestruir> The constitution still holds power, but if movie makers and the such have their ways, it won't be that way for long.
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> RaYmAn, https://github.com/bootc/linux/commit/12db7f8ec8efbb5ad44c816a638f6c55fe360e0c
[9:47] <RaYmAn> ah.
[9:48] <Iota> YAY, Go SpaceX, Go!
[9:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Iota, already launched?
[9:49] <Iota> Yfp. Hfst ggone.
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[9:49] <Iota> Jfst*
[9:49] <Iota> Just*
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir> SpaceX?
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... good ol' nasa tv
[9:49] <Iota> Private SNpace
[9:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I take it as there weren't any problems this time
[9:50] <shirro> wow, hugely impressed with spacex
[9:51] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html if anyone is interested
[9:51] <shirro> hope the vulcans are watching
[9:51] <pjm> also http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
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[9:52] <anish> ShiftPlusOne: oh wow, thanks
[9:53] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
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[9:53] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I could invest in something that would slide over the top of the GPIO pins like a cap then come out in one "cord" that branches off into a bunch of small ones >.>
[9:54] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, this magic contraption is called an ide cable with one end cut off
[9:54] <anish> hahaha
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> Right! One of those >.>
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> I thought a floppy cable was the prefered one ...
[9:55] <ShiftPlusOne> using it right now for the serial
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> Actually I was thinking I'm gonna have this gap where the GPIO pins are thats opened up on the end where the SD and power is.
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> and was trying to figure out how it'd be best to access those.
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the plan for the falcon 9 flight anyway? just a test or is it actually going to dock and everything?
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> it won't dock, but will be "grabbed"
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> and be docked via the arm.
[9:57] <ShiftPlusOne> can it even dock or is it just for sattelites and such?
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> not sure why they're not letting it dock, but there you go.
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> I think it can dock, they're just not letting it dock directly, but using the arm to dock it.
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> so it will get to a distance of 10m and if it's stable, then the arm will grab it and bring it in.
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... solar arrays... I thought "wtf is falling off it!?!? =O"
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[9:58] <shirro> awesome
[9:58] <Veryevil> Morning all
[9:58] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> So.... no more kazakhstan launches for USA?
[9:59] <anish> you could blame borat
[10:00] <dmsuse> Your item has reached the delivery office and is out for delivery.
[10:00] <dmsuse> We can confirm that your item left the delivery office this morning and should arrive shortly if it hasn.t been delivered already.
[10:00] <dmsuse> soooooooooo excited :D
[10:00] <dmsuse> and man.... its hot today
[10:00] <GabrialDestruir> Why is this going on at 1am in the morning? o.O
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Heh... not heard anything from RS or Farnell this week...
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> RS gave me the 3 week delivery time last week and Farnell is supposed to be shipping this week...
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> I might have 3 by the end of the week :-|
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> just like busses eh?
[10:01] <anish> RS lies. they told me it would be shipped out in a week and it got delivered 4 days later instead
[10:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 3!
[10:01] * gordonDrogon nods.
[10:02] <dmsuse> omg 3 lol
[10:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> :(
[10:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I will leave no stone in devonshire unturned!
[10:02] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I order one from newark now when I would get it.
[10:02] <anish> july maybe ?
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[10:03] <anish> I registered with newark/RS on launch day, and I still have no word from newark
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> I might donate one to a project I worked on at the weekend - an automated weather station for the Field Studies centre at Slapton.
[10:03] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir: i registered with farnell last week.. they said i should get it 5 months from now
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[10:04] <anish> lol
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir> Yeesh.
[10:05] <anish> btw, the live link ShiftPlusOne pasted is explaining exactly how the docking will happen
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> oh dammit... I closed it >=/
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> rather I opened the other one, but it ended
[10:05] <anish> actual docking happens saturday
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> is that streamed as well?
[10:06] <anish> I hope so
[10:06] <anish> they didn't really mention that
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> docking looks cool >.>
[10:06] <anish> the're gonna do a replay of the launch in case anyone missed it
[10:06] <ahven> you can rewind the stream
[10:07] <anish> I DID NOT KNOW THAT
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh, nice
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[10:07] <anish> erm
[10:07] <anish> beware
[10:07] <anish> if u rewind
[10:07] <anish> you can't go fwd :/
[10:07] <ahven> I can
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> you can't "go live" and rewind again?
[10:07] <ahven> works just fine here
[10:08] <MystX> You guys been watching the spacex webcast?
[10:08] <anish> ShiftPlusOne: that's not going fwd, that's a reset
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[10:08] <Veryevil> its just black?
[10:08] <anish> space is black
[10:09] <anish> and no, it's not
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[10:09] <GabrialDestruir> Technically, the void in space is black, not necessarily space itself.
[10:09] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> The lack of stuff to have color is what makes it black, but in reality space is just see through.
[10:10] <Iota> http://nmap.org/6/ Nmap 6!
[10:10] <Veryevil> the live screencast is black for me?
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> 8 hours to download the entire first season of sherlock -le sigh-
[10:11] <ahven> webcast ended
[10:11] <MystX> Yeah. Hope you didnt miss the launch D=
[10:12] <Orb> dark matter is fairly black.
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[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't know that
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> it might be purple, just invisible
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> or even non-existant and just a fudge factor
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[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> Or we could be completely wrong about "dark matter"
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> and it could be as bright as a sun
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> -nods-
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[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ... would be a lot easier to find... since there is so much of it if you do the maths... yet so little if you try to find it and figure out what it actually is
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[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> It could be hiding in or around suns :p
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[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> It bugs me I can't disable subtitles in XBMC .-.
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't they recently survey the solar system to try to figure out if there's an inmablance which would indicate dark matter and find that everything added up perfectly indicating that there is none in our solar system? Which is odd, since it's meant to be almost everywhere =/
[10:16] <bjorn`> GabrialDestruir: wait, what? Audio settings -> Subtitles -> None
[10:16] <bjorn`> AUdio settings during the movie
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> It doesn't work for me not sure why.
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> It claims there is no subtitles but it's displaying them still
[10:18] <des2> http://www.nature.com/news/survey-finds-no-hint-of-dark-matter-near-solar-system-1.10494
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's the article I was thinking of
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir> It could be badass and hiding inside the nuclear fission of suns!
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir> Thus we somehow don't see the imbalance
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir> found it... that's stupid... lol
[10:21] <des2> You found the dark matter ?
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> Yea....
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir> It's under the bed...
[10:24] <MystX> Suns are fusion powered.. Just sayin
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> We only think they're fusion powered cause it makes sense.... for all we know in the very core of the sun could be a little green man on a bike that pedals for years on end... it's not like we have core samples of a sun.
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> we have evidence for fusion... we don't have evidence for little green man. The burden of proof is on you.
[10:27] <des2> Isn't it more likely to be a yellow man, being that the sun is yellow ?
[10:28] <ShiftPlusOne> no, that's racist.
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[10:30] <GabrialDestruir> All suns could be artifical... created by fusion reactors that we can't see....
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> again... without evidence 'could be' is irrelevant.
[10:31] <MystX> anyone here make source engine maps?
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[10:31] <des2> I only play them.
[10:32] <MystX> =(
[10:33] <GabrialDestruir> I still have figured out why the sound gets randomly distorted on these videos .-.
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[10:42] <GabrialDestruir> Is it just me or is it tacky when people go and pollute subtitles with stuff like "SUBTITLES BY SOANDSO WWW.THEIRWEBSITE.COM"
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[10:46] <ShiftPlusOne> like back in the day when people downloaded mp3s from http and you'd have a speech synthed "downloaded from blahblah.com!" thrown in randomly?
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[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> yea xD
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[10:51] <Davespice> morning folks, I'm getting some error when trying to use VNC server on Raspbian, looks like default fonts are missing
[10:51] <Davespice> is the a package I should install to solve this?
[10:51] <Davespice> Fatal server error:
[10:51] <Davespice> could not open default font 'fixed'
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure.
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> Try the raspbian forums?
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> try searching apt-cache search fonts
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> and seeing if anything looks right
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[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> I need a mini USB .-.
[10:56] <dmsuse> how much disk space does debian use?
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[10:56] <GabrialDestruir> 2GBs?
[10:56] <dmsuse> k thnx
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[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> I really need to keep my desk cleaner.
[11:07] <dmsuse> my knees are my desk :P
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[11:08] <dmsuse> omg 30mins to download debian
[11:08] <dmsuse> my neighbour has the slowest internet ever
[11:09] <Davespice> Okay I solved it, if anyone needs to know - the package I need was called xfonts-base!
[11:11] <Veryevil> put a message on the Rasbian thread and it may go onto the Raspbian web page
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[11:13] <Davespice> right o
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[11:16] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... it seeems whoever ripped the show I'm watching right now did it half assed. -sighs-
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[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> Dual wielding keyboards! xD
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> Your Farnell Order Has Been Shipped. Your Reference: 29/02/2012 18:58
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> (woo hoo)
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[11:28] <dmsuse> :o
[11:28] <dmsuse> is that your 2ns or 3rd?
[11:28] <dmsuse> *nd
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> technically it's my first...
[11:28] <dmsuse> lol
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> but I jumped the gun and got one off ebay 4 weeks ago...
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> so it's my 2nd.
[11:29] <dmsuse> cool
[11:29] <teh_orph> what did you pay on ebay?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> ?105.
[11:29] <dmsuse> what are your plans for this one?
[11:29] <Veryevil> ho much did you pay for one off ebay/
[11:29] <teh_orph> are they still silly money?
[11:29] <Veryevil> ouch!
[11:29] <teh_orph> cripes
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> they're coming down on ebay. I think someone here got one for ?50 yesterday.
[11:29] <dmsuse> ^^ me
[11:29] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Hows it going?
[11:29] <teh_orph> well
[11:30] <teh_orph> got rid of a bunch of corruption bugs last night
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> I don't have any plans for it yet - but I might donate it to a hack project I did at the weekend - the idea was to use an arduino to collect weather data then send it to a Pi to upload to a remote web/database...
[11:30] <Veryevil> sweet
[11:30] <teh_orph> weirdly one or two programs are cripplingly slow
[11:30] <teh_orph> I need to debug that
[11:30] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: brilliant :D i just ordered an arduino along with the pi :)
[11:30] <Veryevil> ANy luck getting a browser?
[11:31] <teh_orph> no
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, good. I've been using arduinos for some time now.
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[11:31] <teh_orph> midori bombs out within a second
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[11:31] <teh_orph> no firefox (xulrunner 404) and there's no chrome
[11:31] <Veryevil> try disabling Javascript
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I disabled scripting in midori on the raspbian install and it works ok - but without javascript, obviously.
[11:31] <dmsuse> i mainly want it for the analogue to digital, want to try and get readings from a shunt :P duno how successful i will be :P
[11:31] <teh_orph> isn't that a compile-time switch?
[11:31] <Veryevil> I think there is just an option
[11:32] <Veryevil> if it will open dont navigate anywhere and
[11:32] <teh_orph> if you can do it from the cmd line I'll try...
[11:32] <Veryevil> disable it in the settings
[11:32] <teh_orph> it opens to google and crashes!
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, for an ammeter type of shunt?
[11:32] <dmsuse> yeah
[11:33] <Veryevil> write a local htmlk file <html></html> save it and run midori localfile.html
[11:33] <teh_orph> I'm gonna take a break today - try 3D in a window instead
[11:33] <teh_orph> not sure if there's much interest in that though
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> morning coffee time now. back inna bit.
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[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> turns out I am using a floppy disk cable, not an ide cable after all... yay
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[11:40] <GabrialDestruir> So just chop up a floppy cable and attach it to breadboards?
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I hooked it up straight to a usb-ttl cable since I only need the 3 pins right now
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and I am reluctant to do the breadboard thing without having a proper connector on the other side... since if any wires slide out and things start to short, I could brick the pi... and I don't want that yet.
[11:42] <teh_orph> ..yet?
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[11:43] <gurgalof> i will change out my polyfuses...
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> You could wire it up to proper connectors though.
[11:43] <gurgalof> those 140mA ones are horrible
[11:43] <gurgalof> they get hot as hell
[11:43] <teh_orph> what's the big story with these fuses?
[11:44] <teh_orph> all I hear is talk of polyfuses!
[11:44] <gurgalof> i burned my finger on one of them
[11:44] <gurgalof> they trip at about 140mA and they are connected to the usb
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, when I have a proper use for the GPIOs, i'll do a proper board or get the 'slice of pi' type board
[11:44] <gurgalof> many usb devices want more than that
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure they're there for a reason
[11:45] <gurgalof> even if i shorted the 140mA ones the 700mA still protects everything...
[11:45] <gurgalof> so they are kindof useless
[11:46] <dmsuse> they are to try and stop u frying the board arnt they
[11:46] <GabrialDestruir> I really liked the idea of of a protoboard plater/shield type thing.
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, I started with a floppy cable - I carefully separated the wires and soldered a pin onto them with some heat shring - it worked for a demo or two initially...
[11:46] <gurgalof> the tracks should be able to handle more than enough
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> I now use some female to male jumper wires to a breadboard.
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, what are you actually using the gpio pins for though?
[11:47] <gurgalof> luckily I'm used to do SMD stuff...
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, oh just playing for now - LEDs and switches. going to hook up a SHT15 sensor now though.
[11:48] <gurgalof> like solder 3x3mm qfns...
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[11:48] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: any chance u could take pics of how you wired it once you do each thing?
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> doh! I hate that copy & paste )-:
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[11:48] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/04/26/announcing-the-adafruit-prototyping-pi-plate-kit-for-raspberry-pi/
[11:48] <GabrialDestruir> That right there.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I never did work out why X has 2 copy&paste buffers...
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> That's nice - if you like to solder up projects, so a bit limiting.
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, still looks like there is a risk of shorting.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, yes there is. But no more than doing the same on arduinos, etc. you just need to take care.
[11:50] <GabrialDestruir> It's suppose to be able to function like a regular bread board.
[11:50] <GabrialDestruir> Just snapped into place.
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> not really 'like a breadboard' though.... like a prototyping area
[11:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmmm, prototyping plate no good for me??? I need a ribbon-connected breakout board which will protect the Pi and let me hook it to breadboard spaghetti messes
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's a nice little thing, though, a "shield" for the PI :D
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_mbp, you're not one of those crazy people who trims each wire to the perfect length and has perfect vertical alignment on a breadboard?
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: sadly not, my LED clock is a spaghetti mess, although I lined up all the bits the resistors aren't trimmed and are bent all over the place
[11:53] <dmsuse> led clock on the pi ?
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I end up like that as well
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> hell, I start up like that.
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: actually it's not too bad: http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC00884.jpg?9d7bd4
[11:53] <GabrialDestruir> The only thing I'm afraid of is that I'd use the bread board and unwittingly fry my Pi
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: I have zero experience with electronics and I haven't fried my Pi yet
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> DId accidentally reboot it once, but no frying
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, neat!
[11:54] <dmsuse> whats the cheapest way to protect against frying?
[11:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: big-ass resistors
[11:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But even then you could potentially fail
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[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, that's a reasonable fear... I checked the 3 connections I needed to make 20 times from different sources, just to be sure it wasn't going to fry.
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> With regard to frying Pi... I have accidentally shorted 3.3v to ground once or twice. Also shorted GPIO pins to ground once or twice. Gotten away with it so-far...
[11:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> For now you could break all your important pins out to a small breadboard with resistors, and only hook up your projects via that
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I think the worst will be connecting the +5V to 3.3 or to any GPIO pin.
[11:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or you could use a shift register, I think that would offer some protection
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_mbp, what's that you've got going on for the case? laser cut it yourself or what?
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> So don't connect up the +5v pin, or even better, snip it off...
[11:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: Nah, got it from SKPang on gordonDrogon's recommendation
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, think he's got the same as me..
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> yay :)
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> does it slide around?
[11:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's easy to get a little bit of wire coating and stick it over the +5v pin
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, good plan, or heat shrink..
[11:56] <dmsuse> so cover the +5v and u cant do any damage?
[11:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: it has feet that help somewhat, but they're little plastic nubs and not rubberised enough??? easy to replace though
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, well - you lower the risk of damage....
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh I meant the actual pi within the case
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: wiring +3.3v to any GPIO pin will still ruin your day :D
[11:57] <dmsuse> ok
[11:57] <dmsuse> im going to fry my board within hours of owning it i fear :(
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, if you look at this image: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/pi_dev.jpg
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: I had the same fear, it was unfounded
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And I wired a freakin' megadrive controller up to my 3.3v pin and then to my Pi
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, then you see that the supports have grooves cut in them for the board.
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> the board is quite firmly held. however the only down-side is that it's impossible to use the compost output with the breadboard in-place )-:
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I am getting one of james glanville's reprapped ones
[11:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I find the SD card a little tricky to get to, also
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> Couldn't you put in some sort of short protection or surge protect between the pi and the board.... if you screw up that blows instead of the pi?
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, not the blue tape on mine :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like a floppy cable wouldn't fit over the gpio either
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: you genius!
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I didn't realise what that was for before, it makes perfect sense
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[12:00] <tzarc> I see 16 LED's on
[12:00] <tzarc> can't you count?
[12:00] * tzarc grins
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> er, well.... 15 on the breadboard, one power, one "OK", and 3 ethernet ...
[12:00] <tzarc> actually it's probably 17
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> who said they had to be on... clearly there are more.
[12:00] <tzarc> ya
[12:00] <tzarc> can't make it out
[12:00] <tzarc> lol
[12:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Daisy-chain shift registers and you can have as many LEDs as you want :D
[12:01] <tzarc> if only D3 hadn't come out, I might've been playing with pi
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> the green LEDs are invisible under the red cover...
[12:01] <tzarc> charlieplexing
[12:01] <dmsuse> is it easy to fry an arduino board?
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> charlieplexing is going to be somewhat creative on the Pi as you'll never guarantee the speed of the software loop to keep them at an even brightness...
[12:02] <des2> Just get the one with the socket chip.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, I've not fried one yet ...
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: it's pretty easy to fry anything if you know what you're doing :D
[12:02] <dmsuse> thats true :P
[12:02] <tzarc> yeah, true
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's harder to accidentally touch a pin on the Arduino, as they're female
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> yes - I saw a video on the register for a "secure" SSD device with a green and red button - the green button erases the chips, the red button causes them to smoke - I suspect by simply reversing the power...
[12:03] <tzarc> if your timing on the simulated PWM is large enough you could probably do it though
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> Eh...
[12:03] <tzarc> it runs at 800MHz, you only need to show ~30Hz
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't trust my data to frying....
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'd still want a thermite security system
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> might give it a go just for proof of concept, but I've noticed pauses when running othe programs - e.g. displaying animation - it's not as smooth as it could be.
[12:04] <tzarc> *nod*
[12:04] <tzarc> I've been running mine headless anyway, so it probably wouldn't be much of an issue
[12:04] <tzarc> if I can be bothered looking at it :P
[12:05] <tzarc> doing anything during the week is hard, stupid work
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir> Just rig a Pi to a batch of thermite over the harddrives, if you need to "secure" your data.
[12:05] <gurgalof> can you connect a screen to the pi? w00t
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> but with Linux - you can't guarantee scheduling...
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir> You pop in a command and FRY
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir> literally
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[12:05] * gurgalof like running headless
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> of-course... the one thing no-ones actually said about GPIO interfacing is that you really should power-down the Pi/Arduino before changing connections ... ;-)
[12:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: haha, you're a funny guy!
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> however I know there's a difference between "best practice" and "real life" ...
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> True, that
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, why do you need to do that?
[12:08] <dmsuse> isnt it possible to switch them off in software?
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The difference between the Pi and Arduino, though, is that the Arduino is unlikely to be in the middle of compiling Ruby whilst you're hacking about on it :D
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: not the +5v or +3.3v afaik
[12:08] <dmsuse> ok
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> you can tri-state the pins, but that won't stop you connecting 5v to 3.3, etc. and I'm, not sure what will happen if you connect 5v to a ti-stated pin...
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Disconnecting the PI's power basically makes accidentally shorting it impossible
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Unless you don't double check your connections and power it on with a short in-place :D
[12:09] <GabrialDestruir> Except if you plug it in and you still have the short in place
[12:09] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is that you shouldn't just remove power - you should issue the halt/init 0/shutdown command and wait for it to shutdown - it's not like an arduino where you can just pull the plug...
[12:10] <GabrialDestruir> I pull the plug on my Pi...
[12:10] <GabrialDestruir> a lot =\
[12:10] <gurgalof> why does everyone love the arduino?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: could probably throw together a linux distro that does little enough to make pulling the plug all but harmless
[12:10] <gurgalof> i can't understand that
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, it's just the file-system that's the critical part.
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gurgalof: cos it causes people to gravitate around the enjoyment of hacking about with electronics
[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> I still want to to create a "Shutdown" where I can swap cards and have it boot the new card.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> The arduino is accessible. And cheap.
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Whereas a bare micro-controller or IC really doesn't have any charm or community about it
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[12:11] <gurgalof> i am hacking around with electronics just fine withou the arduino
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, there is a card present pin on the SD socket which can be read, so it might be possible to hack the kernel to halt, then not really halt but look at the pin, and reboot the board when a new card is inserted...
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> arduino has been about for 4 or 5 years now too. It has a huge following. I was somewhat surprised at people whinging about my "wiring" library for the Pi, but I guess they've never used Arduinos before...
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd still use an Arduino for proper control of things and the Pi as a sort of overall controller...
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> which is what I'm doing for the weather station I'm building. The Arduino has the sensors, etc. and talks wirelessly to the Pi.
[12:14] <gurgalof> 4-5years old micro... that costs a lot even just the micro
[12:14] <GabrialDestruir> So a double controller system?
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[12:14] <gurgalof> when you can get a cheaper, more capable one nowadays
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> the Pi really just collects the data and sends it to a remote database/web server.
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> but I'll also put up a mimic display on the Pi to read the sensors directly.
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> (written in BASIC :)
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[12:15] <Vostok> i just received my pymcu
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[12:17] <GabrialDestruir> I think it'd be cool to wire up a bunch of sensors to the Pi like all those on the http://www.tricorderproject.org/tricorder-mark2.html
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> right. now to translate my SHT15 C program running on Arduino into BASIC running on the Pi...
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[12:21] <GabrialDestruir> Though I don't necessarily want a "tricorder"....
[12:22] <dmsuse> why would anyone want to use basic?
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, because I wrote a BASIC interpreter, so I want to use it :)
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> and I put in stuff to control the GPIO.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> it actually makes it very easy to draw pretty pictures, etc. based on inputs, etc.
[12:24] <GabrialDestruir> But I have to admit something similar to a "vortex manipulator" like Jack Harkness has would be awesome xD
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> so this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a Pi talking to an arduino and the Pi is displaying information based on the Arduinos inputs, etc.
[12:24] <dmsuse> i can draw pretty pictures in paint i dont have to learn a dead language made by a retarded company to do it :P
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> BASIC wasn't written by a retarded company.
[12:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Your gpio.c got me started rewriting my binary clock in C :D
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, excellent :) Want to write it in BASIC next?
[12:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: might be worth a punt, can't hurt to have examples in as many languages as possible for some cross-learning??? I'm going to try it in assembly too when I've worked up the courage
[12:27] <Cheery> hi
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> BASIC was designed in the early 60's by Dartmouth college, US as a means to introduce students to FORTRAN. It was subsequently revived in the 70's when microprocessor systems came online. Like it or not there are still millions of programs written in BASIC - or possible the dialect called "Visual"... That's probably the retarded company you're referring to :)
[12:28] <Cheery> I feel like losing faith that I get my programming environment done.. :/
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> I wrote my own BASIC interpreter a few months ago because it was something I wanted to do.
[12:28] <dmsuse> hehe k :p
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> it's written in C.
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[12:29] <GabrialDestruir> Eww... Basic...
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmm Basic ... :)
[12:30] <GabrialDestruir> The visual variety sucked more ass that well... someone who sucks a lot of ass .-.
[12:30] <GabrialDestruir> than*
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[12:31] <Cheery> would you happen to have ideas for document object model rendering?
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/ardu3.rtb example program written in my basic...
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[12:36] <gurgalof> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_System_Visualizer
[12:36] <gurgalof> i have to try that on the pi someday
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[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> Make the pi display the file system as a GIBSON!
[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[12:37] <Cheery> yesterday wrote a 'tech-demo' about word-wrapping.. upgrading it to minimum raggedness algorithm today
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> Hackers style...
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> you didn't just want to use Knuths algorithm?
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[12:39] <gordonDrogon> (maybe I've been doing too much Latex recently :)
[12:40] <Cheery> yes I use it. :)
[12:40] <Cheery> but I'm adapting it for my use
[12:42] <Cheery> but I have a sort of problem "what next?"
[12:42] <GabrialDestruir> and I've just turned my nook color into an expensive remote for my Raspberry Pi
[12:42] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> hm. might add << and >> operators into my basic ... it would save some hassle!
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[12:54] <GabrialDestruir> How can I add TV Shows to the TV Shows section without downloading them to the PI as it seems I'm going to have to do?
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[13:03] <Cheery> GabrialDestruir: umm.. mount a disk?
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[13:06] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: rendering a DOM is sort of interesting problem.. but I keep wondering how to get the code layouted well otherwise.
[13:07] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could mount the disk -sighs-
[13:07] <GabrialDestruir> I was hoping for another method. lol
[13:08] <GabrialDestruir> and apparently uTorrents "Relocate" is broken.
[13:08] <Cheery> but then.. maybe I better just do something and see how it performs in real use
[13:08] <Cheery> and should get the motivation to do so.
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[13:09] <GabrialDestruir> Relocate should locate the files so I can still seed them....
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I've no idea what rendering a DOM is ...
[13:09] <GabrialDestruir> But it's taking the folder I relocate to and adding \Torrent Name\ to it
[13:09] <GabrialDestruir> so it doesn't find the files.
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[13:11] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: sort of rendering what web browsers do
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, ah. Not my area of strength!
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, although I did once write a clone of troff... some 24 years ago...
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[13:18] <dmsuse> MY PI JUST ARRIVED!!!!
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[13:18] <techman2> congrats :)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :)
[13:19] <gurgalof> don't brake it
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[13:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: gz :D
[13:19] <zgreg> well, mine didn't
[13:19] <zgreg> just curious, when did you order?
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[13:25] <GabrialDestruir> It took 2 hours to completely compile OpenELEC
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[13:25] <GabrialDestruir> On a triple processor computer that was overclocked.
[13:25] <dmsuse> zgreg: mine was from ebay :P
[13:25] <dmsuse> k bbs :)
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right... you're the guy who got the pi for like twice it's price weren't you
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> ?
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[13:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder if GPIO access using registers in assembly requires root
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> yes
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> if you use the mmap method then you need to be root.
[13:29] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: some 24 years and you may have forgotten how to do it
[13:29] <Davespice> Hexxeh: are you about?
[13:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Isn't mmap a bit of memory space offered by the GPIO driver to make passing commands to GPIO easier?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, yea and I never thought to take a copy of all my code from back then, so it's all probably lost...
[13:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Dunno what registers you can get away with reading/writing in userspace though :D
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, not quite...
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, essentially none.
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[13:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> D'oh!
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> What I want to do if/when I get time (and no-one else has done it) is to write a device driver that allows GPIO access from userland.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I understand that some frown upon this, however I feel it needs to be done.
[13:31] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: done already
[13:31] <Cheery> ?
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, oh? Where?
[13:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ohrly?
[13:31] <Cheery> I thought there's couple instructions to access GPIO from userland.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> you can access the /sys/class/gpio from userland, but I'm pretty sure it needs root access to enable the pins in the first place.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> --w------- 1 root root 4096 May 22 12:31 /sys/class/gpio/export
[13:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, I wonder if I could break much by writing values to these GPIO control registers
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> my idea is to have a /dev/gpio which you can open and write bytes to to command the GPIO pins and profide a mmap interface that you can use from userland.
[13:34] <RaYmAn> that sounds...bad :P
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[13:34] <RaYmAn> yes.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> why?
[13:34] <RaYmAn> provider non-root access to memory mapped registers essentially?
[13:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's only bad if people continue to think of the Pi as a desktop frikkin' computer :D
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> yes
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> people will connect stuff to GPIO.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> we can not get away from that fact. They are doing it already.
[13:34] <RaYmAn> You'd be better off having a small script that exports all gpio's through sysfs, then change permissions so they are accessible by some group
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> I want to protect them from themselves by not having to run stuff as root all the time.
[13:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Eee??? script???.
[13:35] <Cheery> chmod +xrw ?
[13:35] <Cheery> well
[13:35] <Cheery> o+xrw :)
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[13:35] <RaYmAn> Gadgetoid_mbp: certainly a lot better than adding a whole new interface... :P
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> another plan which SImon- suggested yesterday which I am thinking of is providing a daemon that listens to a socket...
[13:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The trouble is that if you use a library like wiringPi and include it into your C application, you can't not then run that as root surely?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi needs to be run as root )-:
[13:36] <RaYmAn> Gadgetoid_mbp: hence the chown/chmod.
[13:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I don't have an issue with running it as root, anyway, but I'm always eager to type less "simon says"
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I might just as well change ! in vim to prefix everything with sudo as standard :D
[13:38] <RaYmAn> The point is that adding a whole new, possibly(likely) entirely insecure interface is a bad idea :P
[13:38] <RaYmAn> better to stay with standard linux based interfaces given they are available
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> it depends on your view. I see lots and lots of arduino programmers coming over to the Pi side.
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> and if you give them a familiar interface (e.g. my wiringPi) then they'll adopt it sooner.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> /dev/xx is a standard linux interface.
[13:39] <RaYmAn> how is that in any way related to the userspace->kenrelspace interface?
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> it's been used to control hardware forever.
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[13:40] <RaYmAn> whether wiringPi access gpios through sysfs or dev is irrelevant to the arduino programmers, isn't it? :)
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> this is true to a point. some like bit-banging and I want to reduce the overhead of going via sysfs, etc.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> e.g. right now I'm writing a bit-bang interface to the SHT15 sensor...
[13:41] <RaYmAn> is the overhead an actual problem or an imaginary problem? I only just got my Pi today.
[13:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RaYmAn: it's not so much a problem as a minor inconvenience
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> It may be imaginary - but I've been writing control stuff for over 30 years now - to me anything that's not directly connected to the hardare is overhead.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I have a nice C setuid program (gpio) to control stuff from userland, but it's oh so slow , and the overhead is huge...
[13:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wouldn't even know how to use the sysfs method anyway :D
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, once setup, you are reading and writing files.
[13:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm willing to bet that wiringPi is an order of magnitude faster
[13:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If I could get a sysfs alternative up and running I'd bench 'em
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> it probably will be.
[13:44] <RaYmAn> it's pretty easy to get it going (generally - I'm assuming rpi uses standard gpio sysfs interface)
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[13:44] <RaYmAn> also, there are limits to how realtime you can get on linux ;)
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[13:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, echo 16 > /sys/class/gpio/export then you get /sys/class/gpio/gpio16/value and whatnot
[13:46] <RaYmAn> yup, something like that - and then combine it with .e.g chgrp gpio, chmod g+rw
[13:46] <RaYmAn> and then a new gpio group will be allowed to access it :)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> not much different in practice to what a driver in /dev/ can do.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> although you can arrange things to not need to be root in the first place.
[13:47] <RaYmAn> of course, except you're introducing a new interface by making a driver in /dev. Where as the /sys/class/gpio is standard across all linux systems with gpios
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> I hear you there, but this is a Raspberry Pi.
[13:48] <RaYmAn> well played ;)
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> actually the last linux system I used with GPIO didn't have a sysfs interface...
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> it was Atom based though. I accessed it's GPIO in the same way I access the Pi right now - by mmapping /dev/mem
[13:50] <RaYmAn> weird -all embedded platforms i've worked with has used the sysfs interface for userspace gpio
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> the company making it were developing a /dev/ driver for it, but our project ended before that happened and it wasn't really needed anyway.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> not sure I'd class this as properly embedded - it was an industrial PC, atom based - designed to run on trains.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> now why is my sht15 not working )-:
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[14:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If security were my greatest concern I probably wouldn't be letting random people off t'interweb into my Pi :D
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[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> You can also secure it so even if they have access to the Pi they can't do anything.
[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> also = always*
[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> I have to wonder what idiot thought that Suits.s01e02 was a good naming system -.-
[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> I hate it
[14:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Season 1 Episode 2?
[14:05] <GabrialDestruir> Yes.... but it looks so horrid
[14:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haha, would you use the long-hand?
[14:05] <GabrialDestruir> When I could just do.... Suits > Season 1 > 01 - Pilot
[14:06] <GabrialDestruir> That tells me EVERYTHING I need to know
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[14:15] <des2> You can adopt the other convention, Suits.102.
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[14:19] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.
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[14:22] <GabrialDestruir> I love how it scanned and picked up Game of Thrones and Suits...
[14:22] <GabrialDestruir> But not my Doctor Who Classics
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> well that seems to be working fine. Reading the SHT15 from the Pi.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> bit-banging IO.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> In Basic.
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sht15.rtb for anyone interested.
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[14:50] <teh_orph> forgot my SD card reader today
[14:50] <teh_orph> no pi action at work
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[14:52] <AdamB> Time to buy a new one Newegg had one for 6.99 free shipping that I purchased
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[14:54] <teh_orph> I have two at home :-(
[14:54] <teh_orph> and all the ones at work are androidified, which mount sd are read-only
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> the LEDs are displaying the temp in C...
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[15:06] <ant_thomas> does anyone know if it's possible to get debian to read gzipped kernel modules. currently trying to use the Arch Kernel to get PWC module working, but all of the Arch Kernel modules are gzipped
[15:07] <ant_thomas> and I don't fancy extracting 697 kernel modules!
[15:07] <fALSO> use find
[15:07] <fALSO> with -exec
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[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, hello
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[15:08] <fALSO> hi
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[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> fALSO, I've got that ezcap radio dongle... =D
[15:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't figure out how to do anything interesting yet though =(
[15:08] <fALSO> i've recieved mine yesterday
[15:09] <fALSO> have been playing with it
[15:09] <fALSO> listened to fm radios, and TAXI's
[15:09] <fALSO> CAB's
[15:09] <fALSO> dont know the correct work
[15:09] <fALSO> word
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> what protocol do the cabs use over there?
[15:09] <fALSO> local fm or something like that
[15:09] <fALSO> i still dont know that much about radio
[15:09] <fALSO> still learning :-)
[15:10] <fALSO> now i need to get a better antenna
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I couldn't find anything outside of the standard commercial am and fm frequencies =(
[15:10] <Iota> Guess which month my girlfriend was away http://pastebin.com/KqYzR9Yj
[15:10] <ShiftPlusOne> well I found stuff, but it was either beeping or buzzing or some kind of binary
[15:10] <des2> April ?
[15:11] <drazyl> May and you were planning ahead?
[15:11] <Iota> :P
[15:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Clearly May
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[15:12] <fALSO> ya shiftplusone
[15:12] <fALSO> i want to "read" stuff from satelites now
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[15:12] <fALSO> need to learn much more about radio
[15:12] <ShiftPlusOne> like GPS?
[15:12] <fALSO> yap
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[15:12] <fALSO> and meteosat
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> fALSO: What do you mean by that.
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> fALSO: I've gotten to the point I could build a raw GPS reciever.
[15:13] <fALSO> meteosat "sends" the weather info
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> fALSO: Is that what you actually want to do - to go from RF and process all the bits yourself?
[15:13] <fALSO> encoded on some protocol
[15:13] <fALSO> ya speedevil
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> fALSO: Or a module that spits out a position for $20 or so
[15:13] <fALSO> well, try to learn :-)
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I only know frequency and amplitude modulaltion.. that's all the elec eng I did at uni. But gnuradio requires all these extra steps which are hard to figure out without copying others.
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> The latter is about 6 orders of magnitude easier.
[15:13] <fALSO> i just played it with on windows yet
[15:14] <fALSO> SDR# is the prettiest :-)
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> tried hdsdr?
[15:14] <fALSO> yap
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I saw videos of that... looked pretty awesome
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[15:14] <SpeedEvil> http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Best overview of GPS I know of.
[15:14] <dmsuse> anyone know the file for changing resolution?
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> This will get you to the point you can make a basic reciever.
[15:14] <fALSO> there are a lot of stuff on "the air"
[15:14] <fALSO> heheeh
[15:14] <fALSO> on 120MHz where I live
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> It's quite complex.
[15:14] <fALSO> is a constant LINE
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[15:15] <fALSO> and a few others next to it
[15:15] <fALSO> beeping
[15:15] <fALSO> want to find out what that is :-D
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, what do you mean?
[15:15] <fALSO> this is all new to me :D
[15:15] <dmsuse> ShiftPlusOne: change the resolution for the framebuffer
[15:15] <fALSO> everyone MUST BUY one of these
[15:15] <fALSO> because of the price it is:)
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> It's a 50bps datastream, broadcasting 300 byte packets, modulated by a 1.023MHz spreading code.
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, eithe config.txt or pass the parameters straight to the kernel... unless you mean something else?
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> Each satellite has its own 1023 element long spreading code.
[15:15] <fALSO> even in FM radio
[15:16] <fALSO> there is a lot of cool stuff
[15:16] <dmsuse> yeah the config file
[15:16] <fALSO> like RDS
[15:16] <fALSO> yesterday i found a fm radio that even "sent" the name of the track currently playing
[15:16] <fALSO> pretty nice
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> fALSO: Common in the UK
[15:16] <fALSO> ahh ok
[15:16] <fALSO> i never saw a radio with that feature here in portugal
[15:16] <fALSO> :-)
[15:16] <fALSO> hehe
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[15:18] <ShiftPlusOne> any tips on where to look to find interesting stuff?
[15:19] <fALSO> not yet shiftplusone
[15:19] <fALSO> today im going to play a little more
[15:19] <fALSO> if i find anything interesting , ill tell you
[15:20] <fALSO> (im still at work) :(
[15:20] <fALSO> until 18:00
[15:20] <rm> fALSO, which radio device do you use?
[15:20] <fALSO> rtlsdr
[15:20] <fALSO> that "new" cheap sdr usb
[15:20] <rm> <fALSO> everyone MUST BUY one of these <- I mean, what exactly :) link?
[15:20] <fALSO> wait
[15:20] <fALSO> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[15:20] <fALSO> EVERY HUMAN BEING SHOULD HAVE ONE OF THOSE
[15:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I know emergency services use MPT1327 in the 163.0625 MHz to 165.6875Mhz range
[15:20] <fALSO> because of the price
[15:20] <ShiftPlusOne> but I can't find anything to decode that with in gnuradio
[15:21] <rm> fALSO, where you got yours and for how much?
[15:21] <fALSO> i bought mine on dealextreme
[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> rm, I got mine on ebay
[15:21] <fALSO> it was like... 16 euros
[15:21] <fALSO> VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY CHEAP
[15:22] <fALSO> and its awesome what it can do
[15:22] <fALSO> 64 - 1700 MHz
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[15:22] <fALSO> an normal SDR that does this
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[15:22] <fALSO> costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[15:22] <fALSO> loads of money ehhe
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[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261029599973
[15:23] <fALSO> thats exactly like mine
[15:23] <fALSO> ezcap
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the one with the good tuner
[15:23] <fALSO> im going to try to use the remote with my arduino :-P
[15:23] <fALSO> hehee
[15:24] <rm> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-fm-dab-remote-controller-92096 oic
[15:24] <fALSO> buy it while its HOT
[15:24] <fALSO> :-D
[15:24] <rm> do you know if it can do DVB-T2? :)
[15:25] <fALSO> dont know that dvb-t2 is
[15:25] <fALSO> in portugal we have dvb-t in h264
[15:25] <fALSO> and I think it works
[15:25] <fALSO> havent tried the "original drivers" lol
[15:26] <GabrialDestruir> I don't like the remote...
[15:26] <pjm> yo, i tried the original drivers under windows, its actually a useable dvb / dab application
[15:26] <GabrialDestruir> it looks tacky :p
[15:26] <fALSO> well its CHEAP
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[15:26] <fALSO> im going to use the remote to learn IR on my arduino hehe
[15:26] <pjm> the cr2032 is the best part of the remote
[15:26] <rm> I'll add it to my "wish list" there
[15:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Do people still use ham radio just to talk to randoms?
[15:27] <fALSO> now i just need to get a better antenna
[15:27] <rm> to throw into the cart the next time I order a bunch of crap :)
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[15:27] <fALSO> shiftplusone, i think yes, but we cant get that
[15:27] <fALSO> its below the frequency this supports
[15:27] <trevorman> fALSO: advantage of proper SDR gear is that they're generally able to monitor a bigger chunk of frequencies and they've got a better than 8 bit ADC. can't complain for the price though :)
[15:27] <fALSO> yap
[15:28] <fALSO> i just played with it for like 2 or 3 hours yesterday
[15:28] <fALSO> and i was AMAZED just by listening to FM RADIO LOL
[15:28] <fALSO> just by seeing the waterfall i feel like a HACKER LOL
[15:28] <trevorman> :D
[15:28] <fALSO> hehe
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[15:29] <GabrialDestruir> But it's Mpeg2?!?!?
[15:29] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:29] <fALSO> ?
[15:29] <teh_orph> we have no hw mpg2 codec, right?
[15:29] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[15:29] <teh_orph> cpu that shiz
[15:29] <GabrialDestruir> Right
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[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if DX has cheap spectrum analyzers
[15:33] <GabrialDestruir> Guess not.
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[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> It's such a shame that Brits have such short seasons for their television shows
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> because they make some really good shows.
[15:42] <dmsuse> like what :P ?
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> Sherlock
[15:42] <dmsuse> isnt that 90 years old?
[15:43] <GabrialDestruir> They didn't a modern reboot of it.
[15:43] <GabrialDestruir> did a*
[15:43] <teh_orph> I guess our serieses are shorter to give a higher quality :)
[15:44] <GabrialDestruir> Yes.... but if you put your higher quality into more than three episodes, you could make a really really great show :p
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[15:45] <teh_orph> keeps the DVD box sets cheaper
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[15:45] <tntexplosivesltd> GabrialDestruir: as opposed to all the great american shows?
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[15:45] <GabrialDestruir> Some great american shows were killed off before their time.
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> Blame those damn corporate money hogs.
[15:46] <teh_orph> you have jeremy kyle USA now to make up for that
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> =P
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> and the office
[15:46] <teh_orph> get off my stage!
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> and life on mars
[15:46] <teh_orph> be a father!
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> Eureka
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> owait those are rip-offs....
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> They killed Eureka
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> :(
[15:47] <dmsuse> with mplayer what audio output does it use, alsa aint working
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[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> are you trying audio over HDMI?
[15:48] <dmsuse> yeah
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, that's a different thing
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> entirely
[15:48] <dmsuse> oh lol
[15:48] <dmsuse> is it not working yet?
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I think....
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> I think there's a special device for it?
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> it works
[15:48] <tntexplosivesltd> anyone wanna report in?
[15:48] <GabrialDestruir> modprobe
[15:49] <GabrialDestruir> You have to modprobe it
[15:49] <tntexplosivesltd> go on....
[15:49] <tntexplosivesltd> what'
[15:49] <tntexplosivesltd> s the driver
[15:49] <GabrialDestruir> I don't know off the top of my head
[15:49] <dmsuse> :(
[15:49] <GabrialDestruir> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[15:50] <GabrialDestruir> I think...
[15:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.
[15:50] <GabrialDestruir> that's right.
[15:50] <teh_orph> isn't the soc 2735?
[15:51] <GabrialDestruir> idk, but that's the command to enable HDMI Sounds for debian, I'm assuming it's the same for others.
[15:51] <dmsuse> umm it crashed lol
[15:51] <teh_orph> fair play
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[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm...
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[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> Thumbnails aren't showing properly for the Tv Show Episodes.
[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> Le sigh.
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[15:54] <ReggieUK> oh dear, pi not up to muster as a htpc again? quelle surprise?
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[15:55] <GabrialDestruir> Oh Pish Posh, that's hardly a claim that it's not a HTPC, only that it needs work :p
[15:56] <dmsuse> woot audio working
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[15:56] <wizdroid057> Omg farnell shipped my pi
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[15:57] <ReggieUK> I@m not slating the pi, just pointing at peoples misconceptions about what it is and what it isn't :)
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[15:58] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi is making a great HTPC
[15:58] <GabrialDestruir> The software is just a little buggy as would be expected for an Alpha state software :p
[15:59] <trevorman> I just have two SD cards. One for general development and one for OpenELEC for when I'm bored...
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[16:03] <GabrialDestruir> I seriously wish I could have the deductive reasoning skills of Sherlock Holmes. lol
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[16:09] <dmsuse> tried mplayer with fullscreen video playback is choppy
[16:09] <ReggieUK> what are you trying to deduce GabrialDestruir?
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[16:11] <GabrialDestruir> I'd just like the ability to deduce everything xD
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[16:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: Naaaooooo, stop it, no mplayer! bad, mmkay?
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[16:25] <Cheery> I could order from RS now.. but I already have farnell
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Send the code to my colleague for the great justice Cheery :D
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> He registered his interest way too late
[16:26] <IT_Sean> they match codes to emails
[16:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wait, why wouldn't you want a second Pi?
[16:26] <IT_Sean> so, im not sure how well that'd work
[16:26] <Cheery> I just wonder when I'm getting the first one
[16:27] <nid0> it'd work fine, just that cheery would get all the order info
[16:27] <IT_Sean> Why don't you just not order it. It'll go to the next person in line.
[16:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wouldn't hold a grudge over anyone who wanted two Pi's, it's the natural order of things
[16:27] <dmsuse> Gadgetoid_mbp: is there something better?
[16:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Unless they used them both to run XBMC and talked about how stuttery it is in IRC constantly :D
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[16:28] <Cheery> IT_Sean: well I can do so. but I still wonder..
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[16:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: yeah, disconnecting any display from your Pi and using it to program via SSH like a baus :D
[16:28] <dmsuse> well yeah :P
[16:29] <dmsuse> still it was advertised as being able to play hd video, so it's damn well going to :P
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[16:29] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I could in other hand just buy it and give it to my little brother
[16:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheery: not buying a Pi when you have the opportunity to do so is a cardinal sin
[16:30] <astom> what happens if I draw more than 50mA from a GPIO port?
[16:30] <Cheery> thing I wonder is when would I get it if I'd buy it now with this activation code?
[16:31] <chronic1> Hello
[16:31] <Cheery> hi chronic1
[16:31] <chronic1> How's it going?
[16:31] <IT_Sean> hey
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[16:32] <nid0> Cheery my RS activation code came through about a week ago and delivery was expected "within 3 weeks"
[16:32] <chronic1> nid0: same here
[16:32] <nid0> (and i've had my farnell pi for a couple of weeks)
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[16:33] <dmsuse> argh ran out of space !!!
[16:33] <dmsuse> damn partitions
[16:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> astom:magic blue smoke
[16:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: you didn't resize your partitions before firing up? ouch! the available disk space given using the image is pitiful by default
[16:35] * dmsuse cries
[16:35] <nid0> no need to do it beforehand, takes 2 minutes to expand the partition
[16:35] <dmsuse> i have no other linux machine to do it on
[16:36] <dmsuse> can i do it on windows?
[16:36] <nid0> you dont need one
[16:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: true, as long as you don't accidentally move it slightly to the right like I did :D haha
[16:36] <nid0> you can do it on the pi itself
[16:36] <dmsuse> but i cant do it while mounted...
[16:36] <nid0> sure you can
[16:36] <drazyl> you can resize the disk whilst the machine is booted
[16:36] <dmsuse> oh cool
[16:36] <astom> Gadgetoid_mbp: funny you!
[16:37] <Gadgetoid_mbp> astom: it's not humour, it's more or less fact!
[16:37] <astom> but really, aren't there any buffers in the middle?
[16:37] <chronic1> Any new reviews of the PI running XBMC?
[16:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm no authority, but I believe the Pi will happily try to supply more current than it should, and the tiny little circuit traces between the pins and the SoC will vaporise if you're unlucky enough for an efuse not to trip
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[16:38] <astom> hehe, looks like im gonna have tu buy some optocouplers
[16:38] <IT_Sean> yah, pulling more than 50mA from the GPIO can kill the pi, astom
[16:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> astom: yeah, that's about as isolated as you can get!
[16:39] <astom> how much current would a optocoupler consume?
[16:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> This is why it's seemingly not uncommon for an Arduino to be used as a Pi breakout board
[16:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> from Skpang: Input Current:10mA
[16:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/4n3500e-optocoupler-p-556.html
[16:40] <astom> Gadgetoid_mbp: Thanks!
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> astom: depends on the sort - from a few microamps up
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> astom: most will probably signal adequately on ~10mA though
[16:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Do shift registers provide any isolation at all?
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately - from memory - the absolute max and recommendedcunt figures for the GPIO are not mentioned.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> current
[16:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm still banking on using one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/74hc595-8bit-shift-register-p-558.html
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Shift registers do not generally isolate at all.
[16:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I suppose I could optocouple a shift register
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> That is - if you connect mains to the output of one, you'll kill the device on the input too
[16:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'd use the Pi's 3.3v output to drive the shift register??? I think
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> Probably sane
[16:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think it'll run comfortably at 3.3v
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> hc* does
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[16:44] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_mbp: 10mA is not really required - it's just nominal
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think I'll have to buy some assorted components and play with them
[16:45] <Cheery> nid0: the within 3 weeks is good enough!
[16:45] <IT_Sean> If you explode your Pi please do come here and tell us. You'd only be the second person to admit killing one in chat.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> If you have a 1mA load, you can go to 1mA input easily
[16:45] <Cheery> ended up buying the another
[16:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The optocouplers look straight forward enough, GPIO pin into pin 1, pin 2 to GND, pin 6 to GND, pin 5 to 3.3v and pin 4 to STUFF
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[16:45] <IT_Sean> Just, whatever you do, don't pull a daniel on it.
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[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_mbp: err - no
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_mbp: you want a ~200 ohm resistor in series with the LED
[16:45] <Cheery> I think I'll give the whichever which comes later to someone else.
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SpeedEvil: err.. yeah, and that
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[16:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> the response time of a glut of optocouplers has got to be better than a shift register, too, but they'd mong up a breadboard something fierce
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Umm - no.
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Optoisolators can be quite slow.
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> The shift register - that one for example is - from memory - good to about 10MHz@3.3V
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> the optoisolator may do 50KHz
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> (I diddn't look)
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[16:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I need to learn electronics, me :D
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - I recommend a copy of 'The Art of Electroncis 2nd edition - ~1998
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521370957/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337698174&sr=8-1
[16:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I might try that, normally I just stuff things together and hit google if it doesn't work
[16:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Pretty safe for code, but I might run into problems applying the same methodology to the physical domain
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> The first third of the first six chapters are basically your average 'beginning electronics' book.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> It can work - but you end up with huge gaps in your knowledge that can waste more time than spending 5 hours reading a book
[16:53] <dmsuse> gparted wont let me resize without unmounting
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[16:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cheers SpeedEvil. I'll try not to electrocute myself ;)
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> Youtube is important. If you're doing something dangerous, live-stream.
[16:56] <IT_Sean> hey now. don't be evil.
[16:57] <nid0> dmsuse, dont use gparted
[16:59] <nid0> just use fdisk, delete the existing partition, recreate it bigger and ensure that you get the start sector right, reboot, then run resize2fs
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[17:00] <dmsuse> kk
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> Clotted cream and jam carriers: http://unicorn.drogon.net/scones.jpg
[17:00] <dmsuse> wait my existing partition contains all my os...?
[17:01] <nid0> deleting the partition doesnt delete your data
[17:01] <dmsuse> oh
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[17:01] <drazyl> you remove the partition info, create a bigger partition that includes the old data
[17:01] <nid0> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[17:01] <drazyl> and then resize the filesystem
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> some hints of resizing here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[17:01] <dmsuse> k thanks
[17:01] <nid0> is an example guide
[17:01] * drazyl has just been showing a new colleague how to do just that to deploy a vm from a template
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> nid0, great minds thinking alike ;-)
[17:02] <dmsuse> thanks for the link
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[17:11] <TopherBrink> new forum is so split up i dont even know where to start now
[17:11] <TopherBrink> hrm.
[17:11] <teh_orph> yeah
[17:11] <teh_orph> there's a bit too much splitting
[17:12] <IT_Sean> yeah
[17:12] <IT_Sean> I was thinking that
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> I've not really gotten into the new forums. Bad as they were, I sort of liked the old ones.
[17:12] <teh_orph> I at least knew where to look for new stuff
[17:12] <TopherBrink> exactly
[17:13] <teh_orph> although the old forums were crap, and half the posts were stickies
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[17:16] <ReggieUK> I likw the look of the new forum
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[17:16] <ReggieUK> but really wish it had a link back to the sub-forum for the thread you're in
[17:17] <ReggieUK> unless I'm missing something somewhere....
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[17:42] <dmsuse> woot i now have space
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> all sorted?
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[17:53] <chris_99> is there any way to log kernel panics?
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[17:54] <a7x> maybe through ethernet chris_99, but not sure it work on arduino
[17:55] <chris_99> i'm talking about on the Pi
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[17:55] <Kolin> /var/log/kern.log ?
[17:56] <chris_99> hmm, that doesn't have any panics stored
[17:57] <chris_99> will it only store information from the last boot?
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[18:02] <RaYmAn> chris_99: it's possible with something like ramconsole, but that requires being able to reboot the rpi without removing power (and booting another kernel than the one that crashes)
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> can't you just get something on the serial port and pickup the panic messages there?
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[18:03] <chris_99> thats the only other thing i could think of
[18:04] <RaYmAn> that's probably easier than porting ramconsole, lol :)
[18:04] <chris_99> but i don't have a usb -> serial converte
[18:04] <friggle> netconsole exists, but didn't work me on the pi
[18:04] <friggle> and most panics are probably in the usb stack anyway ;)
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> someone posted a link to one recently - usb to 3.3v serial ...
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[18:05] <chris_99> oh netconsole sounds handy!
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[18:07] <RaYmAn> chris_99: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_stpos=&_fcid=57&gbr=1&_localstpos=&_sacat=0&_nkw=usb%20to%20ttl&_clu=2&_sop=12 <- pretty much any of those should work (assuming it has 3.3v ttl - some are 5v)
[18:08] <chris_99> oh wait are you saying to attach that to the GPIO?
[18:08] <RaYmAn> well, attach that to the UART - which I guess is on some of the GPIO's?
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[18:09] <chris_99> oh i was thinking of a different one, of using a USB->Serial converter, then attaching the serial to another computer
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> http://apple.clickandbuild.com/cnb/shop/ftdichip?productID=126&op=catalogue-product_info-null&prodCategoryID=102
[18:09] <RaYmAn> that would work too, but these things are much easier :) and they have gotten so cheap, lol
[18:09] <chris_99> aha
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[18:11] <chris_99> friggle, what happened when you tried netconsole?
[18:12] <RaYmAn> the issue with netconsole is that it requires the kernel booting quite far to actually work :P UART is sufficiently low-level to start early - But it depends a lot on what you are debugging
[18:13] <friggle> chris_99: well ther'es RaYmAn's issue, but actually the issue is it complains smsc95xx (our ethernet chip) doesn't support polling
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[18:14] <chris_99> oh, so it simply won't work
[18:14] <chris_99> ?
[18:14] <chris_99> i'm debugging a network issue
[18:14] <friggle> chris_99: seems that way
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Intersting little board: http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/22/chip_maker_via_outs_49_dollar_raspberry_pi_alike/
[18:14] <friggle> chris_99: and yeah, not going to be much help for debugging a network issue. As I say, most of the kernel problems are in the USB stack :)
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[18:15] <friggle> gordonDrogon: surprisingly high current draw under load http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/
[18:15] <chris_99> hmm, so i really need the Pi to output to GPIO
[18:15] <chris_99> then
[18:15] <chris_99> which probably isn't easy i guess
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> wow 13 watts max!
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[18:16] <chris_99> does /dev/ttyAMA0 mean anything to anyone
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, serial output?
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yes - that's the console serial device.
[18:16] <chris_99> is that a GPIO pin?
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, Linux outputs all messages over that by default IIRC.
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> it's 2 pins on the GPIO connector...
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[18:17] <chris_99> oh, i've got a 5V TTL -> USB converter, but let me guess, that's not going to work
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> all you need is a 3.3v serial to usb convertor ...
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> heh no, but ...
[18:17] <chris_99> heh
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> ifyou just wire up the output ...
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> as that's all you need, it will probably work.
[18:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmmm
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> ie. the output from the Pi to the input of the convertor.
[18:18] <chris_99> yeah, but i need 3.3V converter logic, rather than TTL?
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> well yes, but TTL will usually trip at 3.3v.
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> and you could put a simple divider on the output if you needed to type from the PC to the Pi.
[18:19] <a7x> [17:53:39] <+chris_99> i'm talking about on the Pi <- i'm sorry i got confused
[18:19] <a7x> i meant rpi :)
[18:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://proto-pic.co.uk/usb-to-serial-ttl-cable-ftdi-5v-vcc-3-3v-i-o/ me wonders if this could be jerry-rigged to work
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> You could always run 2 Pi's back to back - run minicom on one and debug the other :)
[18:20] <chris_99> oh so it could work, i may give that a shot
[18:20] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: that would be awesome! :D
[18:20] <RaYmAn> heh
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[18:20] <chris_99> heh, i'm still waiting for my other Pi alas gordonDrogon
[18:21] <Vostok> power two pi's from eachothers usb ports
[18:21] <chris_99> does anyone know of a pretty pinout diagram
[18:21] <Vostok> infinite power
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> actually, that cable http://proto-pic.co.uk/usb-to-serial-ttl-cable-ftdi-5v-vcc-3-3v-i-o/ would work fine.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to pick it apart and just use the ground, tx & rx wires.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> just don't connect the +5V up (not that there's anything to connect it to)
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Interesting
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Don't even need to pick it apart, can stuff jump leads into the end
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, not sure the Pi can run in usb slave mode...
[18:23] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: there is no risk of damage? On TX to RPI? Cause it'd still work just fine with just ground and rx (or rather - TX as seen from RPI side)
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, wel that cable seems to suggest 3.3v IO.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, so it ought to be fine.
[18:23] <RaYmAn> ah.
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[18:24] <chris_99> oh i have a plan B now, i have a logic analyser
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> it has an FTDI chip in it, so from the host PC side (not Pi) it'll just look like another serial port - /dev/ttyUSB0, etc.
[18:24] <a7x> chris_99, how much did you pay it?
[18:24] <chris_99> one tick i'll find it
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[18:25] <chris_99> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html?cPath=174
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a usb serial breakout cable or I'd give it a go myself.
[18:26] <a7x> chris_99, try this (i just googled) http://www.tocpcs.com/howto-log-a-kernel-panic-it-can-be-done/
[18:27] <chris_99> we've discussed netconsole a little bit further up
[18:27] <chris_99> and theres a problem apparently
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[18:27] <chris_99> also it's a network issue i'm debugging
[18:28] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: no need for slavery
[18:28] <a7x> ohm sorry i was away
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, indeed!
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[18:30] <a7x> chris_99, then maybe you checked syslog too
[18:30] <Vostok> just plug the microusb power ports to the usb port of the other device!
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> hehe... rs232/serial comms.... All these years later and we're still using it ;-)
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlj0jBtYmQ
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[18:46] <dmsuse> lol sad
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> sad that it was 25 years ago when that was made..
[18:50] <dmsuse> heh
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> hm. just checked the titles - 27 years ago!
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> I was still living in Edinburgh... Hm.
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[18:53] <Syliss> i was born then
[18:53] <Syliss> im 27 today
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[18:54] <fALSO> uhuhuhuh congrats syliss
[18:54] <fALSO> happy bd
[18:54] <Syliss> lol
[18:54] <Syliss> thx
[18:54] <normod> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_27
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[18:54] <[SLB]> \o/
[18:54] <[SLB]> lol normod
[18:54] <fALSO> i already passed that!
[18:54] * IT_Sean is going to be 27 in under a week.
[18:55] <fALSO> im going to be 30 on december
[18:55] <fALSO> damn
[18:55] <fALSO> heh
[18:56] <Syliss> well i must get, have physical therapy in a bit.
[18:56] <fALSO> you broke something?
[18:56] <Syliss> i broke my leg 5 months ago
[18:56] <fALSO> bleh
[18:57] <Syliss> yep, 2 plates and 8 screws later
[18:57] <fALSO> i broke mine two years ago
[18:57] <fALSO> in a very STUPID way
[18:57] <fALSO> i was HIT BY A BYCICLE
[18:57] <fALSO> lololololo
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[18:57] <Syliss> ouch, i broke mine skateboarding back to work
[18:57] <Syliss> landed on my foot just right to cause my tibia to break
[18:57] <dmsuse> cyclists should be forced to pay road tax
[18:57] <fALSO> syliss, well good luck with that!!!
[18:57] <Syliss> right below my knee
[18:58] <Syliss> no kidding dmsuse
[18:58] <dmsuse> and have insurance :P
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/ is it just me, or have all the pi's dissapeared from the map?
[19:00] <fALSO> i dont see any too
[19:01] <fALSO> the data is there: http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/data.php
[19:01] <dmsuse> i'd sign up for that but i don't agree with it's date format
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[19:01] <Syliss> lol i signed up
[19:01] <fALSO> heh
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. I'm sure it's not supposed to be as visible as that...
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[19:02] <fALSO> tberes a bug in the code
[19:02] <fALSO> in the JS
[19:02] <friggle> ah, glad to see there's one in Cambridge now ;)
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[19:05] <dmsuse> k i added :(
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> hm. the raspberrys are back.
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> he must have fixed something.
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> shame it put my marker in the wrong place. ah well.
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - my Pi powered binary thermometer now reads 00010110 (ie. 22)
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[19:10] <mjr> I see you probably reside in a sane country
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Oh yes.
[19:11] <dmsuse> omg
[19:11] <dmsuse> i got my pi like 7 hours ago and ill this time ive been waiting for stuff to install or download
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> but would a sane person actually make this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> what have you been downloading for it?
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> (oh, and would a sane person write a basic interperter to write a basic program to read that sensor and display the output in binary). I ask you ...
[19:12] <dmsuse> kernel headers/media players
[19:12] <dmsuse> actually thats it :P
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> oh.
[19:12] <dmsuse> whats that little red board in the left?
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> that's the SHT15 temp/humidity sensor.
[19:13] <dmsuse> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:13] <dmsuse> cool, is it working?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> sure.
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[19:13] <dmsuse> so you can get the temperature info displayed on the pi monitor :D sweet
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> well, it's just printing it on the screen - the BASIC window screen thing.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> currently being displayed on my worsktation via ssh -X ...
[19:14] <dmsuse> hawt
[19:14] <jardiamj_> gordonDrogon: Where did you get that case, well "sort of case"
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> that's one of the SK Pang cases.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[19:16] <jardiamj_> Nice, it's a sandwich actually...
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the program is at http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sht15.rtb
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj_, yea sandwitch is a good description!
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> I sometimes have the lid swung back: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
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[19:17] <dmsuse> what language is that?
[19:18] <Cheery> looks like a bomb
[19:18] <jardiamj_> raspberry sandwich, yum yum..
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> That's my own dialect of BASIC - RTB - Return to Basic :)
[19:18] * dmsuse sighs
[19:19] * gordonDrogon shrugs
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I wonder if I could get it through customs, TSA, etc. :)
[19:20] <IT_Sean> a raspi?
[19:20] <IT_Sean> should be able to.
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[19:21] <chris_99> look at the photo
[19:21] <chris_99> IT_Sean,
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, in-reference to Cheery comment - presumably with all the wires, etc. :)
[19:22] <chris_99> heres my 'bomb' http://www.anfractuosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gpsclock.jpg
[19:23] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: whats the name of that humidity sensor
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, it's a SHT15
[19:23] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't try to bring it on an airplane with a laod of wires hanging off of it.
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[19:24] <IT_Sean> If you are going to bring it, bring lots of documentation as to what a raspberrypi is, to show the nice TSA guy who will be groping you.
[19:24] <dmsuse> cant find it on maplin :(
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I built one into a "hack" project last weekend: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fsc1.jpg then re-made it http://unicorn.drogon.net/fsc2.jpg so I then tried to run it on the Pi just for a bit of fun.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, try sparkfun or skpang.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, cool :) what's driving the LED digits?
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[19:25] <chris_99> a PIC chip, attached to a GPS
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-sht15-breakout-p-714.html
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:25] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: thanks
[19:26] <dmsuse> 33 quid WTH!!!?
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're not cheap.
[19:26] <IT_Sean> humdumditty sensors are usually not cheap.
[19:27] <dmsuse> that is insane :P
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 of them here - forunately I didn't pay for them...
[19:27] <chnops_> hey all
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> I have one of these http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/barometric-pressure-sensor-bmp085-breakout-p-712.html on the Arduino too. They're not cheap either, but slightly cheaper than the humidity ones.
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[19:30] <chris_99> does anyone have a diagram of the Pi with the GPIO connections labelled
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals in colour :)
[19:32] <Simon-> it's on the wiki
[19:33] <chris_99> yay, thanks gordonDrogon
[19:33] <chris_99> time to find my logic analyser and try out the serial port
[19:33] <dmsuse> yay i got my wifi working
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> usb wifi?
[19:34] <dmsuse> yeah
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> I think there may be a wiki page with lists of interfaces that work and which don't work... might be an idea to find it and fill it in...
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> but I could be mistaken...
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> are you using it plugged into the Pi, or into a powered hub?
[19:34] <Cheery> guessing could soon make that thing I meant to do with my editor and get to sleep after it.
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[19:36] <dmsuse> into pi
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> ok. there was some concern here a few days ago about the power requirements...
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I guess you have a low power one :)
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[19:43] <Davespice> oh dear: >> Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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[19:45] <chnops_> is it normal that my rpi is giving a res of 1824x1104 on a 1920x1200 screen?
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[19:45] <chnops_> it's scaled rather oddly and is making text painful to read, I'm wondering if I can just get it to 1920x1200 or else 1920x1080
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> chnops_, you need to add in disable_overscan=1 in /boot/config.txt
[19:51] <a7x> chris_99, found a way to log?
[19:51] <chris_99> i'm just trying it out now a7x :)
[19:52] <a7x> let us know
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[19:53] <chris_99> will do
[19:53] <chnops_> thanks gordonDrogon
[19:53] <chnops_> is config.txt just a file I need to create under /boot?
[19:54] <a7x> hope farnell hurries sending me mine :\
[19:54] <chnops_> never mind, googled it :)
[19:55] <chnops_> it's cool how lots of pages actually work quite well in links2, at least to get information from them
[19:58] <dmsuse> i think i need that too, my screen aint right
[19:59] <dmsuse> chnops_: you tried links graphical mode?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> sorry - was afk, yes, just create it - sudo nano /boot/config.txt if you've not already done it.
[20:00] <dmsuse> omg disabling overscan made it worse lol
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> what I reckon is that if you have a "TV" then you need overscan which is the defult, but if it's a PC Monitor then you need to turn overscan off...
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, oops :)
[20:01] <chris_99> yay!!!!111111 the serial port works with a 5v ttl -> USB converter
[20:01] <Simon-> it's 3.3v
[20:01] <chris_99> i know
[20:01] <chris_99> but it works with ttl
[20:01] <Simon-> ?
[20:02] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, depends some TVs can be told not to do overscan
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, yea, there is just too much variation...
[20:02] <chris_99> yeah, i've attached a TTL -> USB conveter to the UART TX pin of the Pi Simon-
[20:02] <plugwash> overscan compensation is turned on by default because black borders are considerablly less user-unfriendly than not being able to see the edges of the display
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I've not even tried my Pi on my TV yet - however it's an old widescreen tube, so would connect up via the compost video socket...
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, so just one- way for now?
[20:03] <chris_99> that's all i need for logging gobby
[20:03] <_Mikie_> Hi, Raspbmc.. The reboot and installer will continue. Is that a manual or auto reboot?
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[20:04] <chris_99> * gordonDrogon
[20:06] <dmsuse> is there an underscan?
[20:06] <dmsuse> or can overscan go minus?
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> underscan is black borders
[20:06] <dmsuse> i already have black borders
[20:06] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, you where right, logging info @ boottime is output to the UART
[20:07] <chris_99> time to create a kernel panic
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> go for it :)
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, there's lots of things you can fiddle with in config.txt
[20:08] <dmsuse> yeah im trying :P
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_width=784
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_height=638
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> but put your own numbers in...
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> however if overscan is on, then 2 * 32 will be subtracted from them.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, if you look in /biit/cmdline.txt you'll see the boot parameters for the serial port...
[20:09] <chris_99> cheers, didn't know that
[20:10] <dmsuse> nevermind i set it to 720 instead of 1080 looks perfect now
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> there's a whole list of hdmi "modes" that were posted to the forums or maybe it's on the wiki (if you can find it )-:
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> have to say, it's not something I've spent too much time on as I don't have a real hdmi monitor/tv... My PCs monitor has a dvi input and I'm using an hdmi to dvi convertor and once I turned overscan off, I get a perfect 1280x1024...
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> however I can't run my SDL app on hdmi, but I can run it on composite )-:
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[20:19] <trevorman> you shouldn't need to change the overscan setting if its a monitor
[20:20] <trevorman> *shrug*
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> I had to turn it off...
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> or rather turn on the overscan_disable..
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> disable_overscan=1
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> in in my /boot/config.txt
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> however I need =0 when driving my real "tube" monitor via composite.
[20:22] <trevorman> strange. I don't need to do that on all the monitors I've tried my RPi on
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[20:23] <trevorman> wonder if it does something different in CEA and DMI modes
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> wish I knew what incantations to wave at it to make SDL work without X when on the HDMI output.
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I can cause it to crash hard almost every time )-:
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> maybe I need a serial monitor too - in'case it screams anything in its dying throwes...
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[20:29] <dmsuse> hmmm links2 and fb dont like each other
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> whats links2?
[20:31] <oldtopman> Anyone here from USA and waiting until June 18th?
[20:32] <oldtopman> I'm wondering if that is the second batch that we've all been hearing about, as opposed to the third, fourth, etc.
[20:33] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: console web browser
[20:34] <plugwash> AIUI they aren't running in batches anymore, RS and farnell are just running the production continuously
[20:34] <dmsuse> oldtopman: thats the batch AFTER the first 100k batch i think :P
[20:34] <dmsuse> oo
[20:34] <plugwash> afaict the initial 2K and the 8K that formed the second part of the initial batch have already been distributed
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[20:36] <oldtopman> dmsuse: Ah, thanks.
[20:36] <oldtopman> plugwash: Yes, but there isn't a conveyor belt from the factory to here, so they come on boat/plane/etc in batches.
[20:37] <Davespice> I think X is broken on Raspbian right now. Correct me if I am wrong. After runing "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" xorg gets uninstalled and then its not possible to reinstall it
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, ok - probably has similar issues to my SDL applications.
[20:37] <Davespice> I'll give it a few days and try again :)
[20:37] <dmsuse> just showing purple :(
[20:38] <plugwash> mmm, blindly running dist-upgrade is a bad idea
[20:38] <plugwash> but yes I do need to figure out WTH is going on there
[20:38] <Davespice> yeah, I did it from following the advice on here; http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[20:39] <plugwash> yeah someone should probablly add a warning to that
[20:39] <Davespice> so the first thing I wanted to was run "apt-get install lxde-icon-theme" but that fails without doing the update first
[20:39] <plugwash> update is safe, upgrade is safe, dist-upgrade requires you to pay attention
[20:40] <plugwash> because it will remove stuff to upgrade other stuff and that is sometimes stuff you would rather was not removed
[20:40] <plugwash> ;)
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[20:40] <Davespice> right okay then, I'll try again but not do the dist-upgrade :) stand by
[20:42] <plugwash> anyway thanks for reminding me of the issue, i'm taking a look now
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, you might be better off just downloading the raspbian image and going from there...
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> assuming your distupgrading to raspbian...
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[20:44] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, it's pretty clear to me he is dist-upgrading within raspbian
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> hm. just read that page - you started with raspbian?
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[20:44] <plugwash> and we have some known breakage in the repo right now
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, jsut got it now.
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> for some odd reason I thought the upgrade was from standard debian to raspbian - doh!
[20:45] <plugwash> I just need to figure out exactly what the breakage is so I can fix it
[20:45] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: yes I am starting from a fresh image each time I try it
[20:46] <Davespice> just about to go and boot it now
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> don't particularly want to break mine just now ...
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> but I wasn't aware that dist-upgrade was the way to keep up with wheezy...
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[20:47] <plugwash> dist-upgrade is the right tool, it's just a tool that should be used with care
[20:48] <plugwash> and one where you shouldn't be afraid to answer no if what it plans to do doesn't look sane
[20:48] <Davespice> yeah, I have no idea - I am just following advice on the raspbian site and learning by trial and error
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I've dist-upgraded debian releases in the past... never had any real issues, but I've always stuck with stable.
[20:49] <Davespice> I did speak to Hexxeh briefly and he said he's having a tough day, so I have no idea if that relates to Raspbian or not - but it might
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[20:51] <Davespice> you'll be pleased to know I got OpenTTD to compile on Raspbian, so you can all have a nice game to play OTHER THAN QUAKE
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> or Doom :)
[20:51] <Davespice> oo... gis a copy...
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install prboom
[20:51] <Davespice> I've got the WADS
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> prboom is the player...
[20:52] <Davespice> oh okay
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> although I don't know if audio works - not tried that yet.
[20:52] <Davespice> I have had the alsa driver working under Raspbian
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[20:53] <Davespice> Schism Tracker built find and found it first time
[20:53] <Davespice> just need to use the modprobe snd_bcm2835 command
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> hm. that worked...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> well, the module loaded...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> will it pick the 3.5mm jack automatically?
[20:54] <Davespice> do you want to try my tracker program to test it? it runs under X
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> need to find a 3.5mm cable and some speakers... first. give me a mo.
[20:55] <Davespice> well it's not "mine" as such, I just built it
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[20:57] <plugwash> Davespice, hmm, is this a Pi specific variant
[20:57] <plugwash> because I thought our autobuilders built the debian openttd package some time ago
[20:57] <friggle> yeah, openttd has been perfect for me on armel anyway
[20:58] <Hexxeh> Davespice: visa and internship stuff
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> well that's not going to happen. though I had some speakers, but I guess not.
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> I hardly listen to music so it's not something I'd normally have anyway.
[21:00] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[21:00] <huene> ShiftPlusOne: to your information. the usb-umts-modem just didn't get enough power. i've bought an active usb-hub. now it's working like a charm
[21:01] <Slippern> anyone have som news about getting android to work on the pi?
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> huene, yeah, I've only recently found out about the really low current limit.
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> right. giving up with audio for now. can't plug into the Pi while it's in the skpang "sandwitch"
[21:03] <IT_Sean> that seems like a design flaw
[21:03] <RaYmAn> Slippern: I'm sure it'll be all over the news the second someone gets it working :P
[21:04] <RaYmAn> Slippern: however, pre-ICS (which requires more than 256MB ram to run in any usable way) is pretty bad without a touchscreen :/
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, yea, can't plug the compost video in either )-:
[21:04] <IT_Sean> Got a dremel?
[21:04] <Slippern> RaYmAn: yes, therefor i want to have an older android version..
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, er, I have power tools, yes, but not a dremel - however it's the breadboard that's stopping the plugs going in.
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[21:05] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[21:05] <IT_Sean> i see
[21:05] <Gadgetoid> Wheee!
[21:05] <IT_Sean> wheee?
[21:05] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:05] <Gadgetoid> Just generally whee???
[21:05] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff i s'pose
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> not sure I see the point of putting android on the Pi - even if it is possible. Although I'm prone to be doing "intersting" things myself but ... really not sure about android.
[21:06] <Gadgetoid> This is interesting: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/mcp23017-16bit-i2c-io-expander-for-raspberry-pi-p-1104.html
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> A single I2C IO expander being marketed as "for Raspberry Pi"
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you'll see lots of people doing that :)
[21:08] <Davespice> okay it worked, x desktop up and running
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> Intrigues me, I'm trying to shop up a component list of things I have half a chance of successfully using with my Pi
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> it's a 16-pin GPIO device that takes commands via I2C.
[21:08] <Davespice> plugwash: yeah I built it from source myself
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> My thoughts are that if you need more IO, then the Pi might not be the best thing to do it with...
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> An ATMega could be run at 3.3v and connected directly to the Pi's GPIO without messing with voltage regulators, serial cables and shizzle
[21:09] <Gadgetoid> I don't so much need more IO as need more isolation
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> or even connected to the USB serial...
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[21:09] <Gadgetoid> Connecting an ATMega to USB serial is expensive though
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[21:10] <Gadgetoid> Well, comparatively, the USB->Serial breakout boards are pricey
[21:10] <Davespice> plugwash: I'm just doing apt-get install openttd now, I'll give your build a go too :)
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> I've got a seeduino mega with all that on-board and I'm sure I didn't pay more than about ?25 for it.
[21:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah, but that's ??20 more than the components to get an ATMega up and running on breadboard :D
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[21:11] <Gadgetoid> I also find this interesting for the sake of compactness, but the Pi wont power it: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/arduino-pro-micro-33v8mhz-p-1086.html
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sure...
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> Solder on some headers to the bottom, and it can be pushed straight into a breadboard
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> the Pi will power that OK. it's 3.3v.
[21:13] <Gadgetoid> Yes, just not over USB
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> sure - you'll need to power from the GPIO connector.
[21:14] <Gadgetoid> And if it's 3.3v, it should be logic compatible with the Pi without any fiddling
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> so you can use I2c to send commands to it.
[21:15] <Gadgetoid> Me tempted
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> not sure about that bootloader on it though.
[21:16] <Gadgetoid> Yeah it sounds a little flaky, not to mention the need for drivers
[21:18] <dmsuse> anyone done anything on IR receivers yet?
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> Nah, I saw one and found it tempting though
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> I've also got a USB one somewhere
[21:20] <Gadgetoid> presumably you're thinking IR HTPC remote sort of things?
[21:20] <dmsuse> lirc or something
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> the usb chip seems to be built in...
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah, handy!
[21:21] <Davespice> gordonDrogon and plugwash, thanks for the advice back there - think I am on top of things now
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[21:22] <Gadgetoid> I think I'll just have to buy a starter kit, I get swamped by all this stuff
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> for Arduino?
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> or GPIO for the Pi?
[21:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: for Arduino, components of which I'll most likely try to interface with the Pi
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:23] <Gadgetoid> No Pi starter kits yet :( or no decent ones anyway
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> I've done lots of arduino stuff and used them to prototype stuff for my clients.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> the starter kits can be expensive though.
[21:24] <Gadgetoid> Yeah I'm looking at the ~??65 SparkFun inventor's kit
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> ok, I was about to suggest this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/arduino-uno-starter-kit-d-p-554.html
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> but that has more bits in it :)
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> ALL the bits!
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> I think the Inventor's kit is pretty good value
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> it's not bad.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> what I'm doing is remote controlling my arduinos from the Pi - via USB serial.
[21:26] <Gadgetoid> That sounds sensible
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> that's just a test bed I put together.
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[21:28] <gordonDrogon> so the program in the Arduino is really a simple terminal program that just accepts commands from the host - which emulates most of the Arduino's "Wiring" librarly.
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> so the host can send a command pinMode (2,OUTPUT) then digitalWrite (2,HIGH) and so on.
[21:28] <Gadgetoid> Damn all this tempting awesomeness
[21:28] <Gadgetoid> I've got a lengthy book on electronics to read, too
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> there is obviously a bit of latency there, but for most stuff it's good enough.
[21:29] <Gadgetoid> You could compress the latency out by emulating a shift register or something, generally you don't change pin modes often
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually programming it in basic (yea, I know) and I have my basic using the same commands for the Pi's on-board GPIO as the Arduinos off-board GPIO.
[21:30] <Gadgetoid> That's awesome, are the Arduinos pins just higher numbers then?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> basic makes it very easy to do "mimic" displatys, etc.
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> no, you open a device and get a handle - that way you can talk to upto 8 arduinos and one Pi.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> x = drcopen ("RPI")
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> y=drcopen ("/dev/ttyUSB0")
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> Ahh! that's a little more logical
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> digitalWrite (x,1,1) // set led 1 on Pi
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> digitalwrite (y,2,1) // set led 2 on Arduino.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> sort of thing.
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> I'd use a slightly more OO approach, but I get it
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm not an OO person and that's basic :)
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> it emulates the wirling library in the Arduino.
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[21:31] <piless> hi
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> Haha, I've been indoctrinated into OO since I began programming??? I never got a choice :(
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I've been doing pure C for over 30 years now...
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I did do a year of c++ but never really liked it.
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[21:32] <Gadgetoid> That'll be because C++ was an unmitigated failure :D
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> there is that, however it was the principle I didn't get on with.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> especially in embedded stuff - I feel there's just too much going on behind the scenes to be comfortable in an environment when yoy need to know what every byte is used for...
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> but that's just me.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> the arduino fans really like c++ ...
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> but wiring is pure C.
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> I can't remember who that quote is from about C++ being a failed experiment
[21:34] <shaulkr> Gadgetoid: What unmitigated failure is that?
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> heh yes, I think I've read it - a sort of spoof april fool suppsedly from Stroudstroup... (or whatever he's called)
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[21:35] <Gadget-Mac> Woohoo, ArduinoIDE on RPi http://go.je/19b
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[21:35] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: WAT!?
[21:36] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: Exactly what it says on the Tin
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> Urge to buy Arduino rising
[21:36] <shaulkr> Gadgetoid: Are you referring to this? http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/unix-hoax.html
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, well - this is what really irritates me about people thinking they're doing some thing new - they're not. The Pi is just another Linux box, so why is it special that you can run the Arduino IDE on it?
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> Nah shaulkr, it was something more terse and poignant??? the point is that C is still hugely prevalent today and C++ is a weird little deformed offshoot that nobody really has the heart to cut loose and incinerate
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> it's going to be very slow.
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[21:38] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Because it simply dosn't install
[21:38] <shaulkr> Gadgetoid: And what is the unmitigated failure?
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: try getting the Arduino IDE running on the open pandora!
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> shaulkr: C++, in general. It failed to replace C.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, oh? Hm. it's all written in Java, so if java works, then everything else ought to...
[21:39] <Gadget-Mac> Ah, but how do you program the arduino ?
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> have to say that I don't actually use the Arduino IDE myself, however...
[21:39] <Gadget-Mac> Thats NOT a java program :)
[21:39] <Gadgetoid> The Arduino IDE needs a non-java port
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I use vi and makefiles.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> just like I do for any other project.
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[21:40] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: If you have that skillset great.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> theres still nothing stopping you running the IDE on Win/Mac/Other Linux PC though.
[21:40] <Gadgetoid> How makefile send arduino, what, how work? Brain esplode!
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, http://unicorn.drogon.net/Makefile
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[21:42] <Gadgetoid> Yikes!
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> they're not for everone, I guess.
[21:42] <dmsuse> pi crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:43] <Gadget-Mac> The reason for the success of arduino is that it hides the hard stuff.
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> you only ever write one small project Makefile though :)
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, absolutely and I don't think their way is wrong at all.
[21:43] <bootc> dmsuse: your first time eh?
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[21:43] * dmsuse cries
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> but when you're old and stubborn like me ...
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[21:43] <dmsuse> "kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt"
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> at least you got to see why....
[21:44] <bootc> dmsuse: ooh can you poste some more info?
[21:44] <dmsuse> too late :P
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> when I crash mine when fiddling with the SDL app. I get nothing.
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[21:44] <dmsuse> i was apt-getting mysql-server and client when it did it
[21:44] <bootc> aww shame, would have been interesting to see what may have been the cause
[21:44] <bootc> MySQL server on the Pi?! honestly?!
[21:44] * gordonDrogon boggles!
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> that's going to be one clunky sql server...
[21:45] <dmsuse> that is a good point
[21:45] <dmsuse> i need a lightweight
[21:45] <dmsuse> i got mingx running
[21:45] <bootc> sqlite3 is prolly your best bet if you really want SQL
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> the big issue with stuff like that is the fsync on files.
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> even sqlite uses fsync.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> you need a cheap SQL server?
[21:45] <dmsuse> lightweight :P
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Why not buy a cheap win laptop off of fleebay, toss SQL xprs on it, and be done?
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> fsync on the SD card more or less stops it for a brief moment.
[21:46] <piless> the laptop will have better ethernet aswell
[21:46] <dmsuse> so sql on a pi isn't a good idea?
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[21:47] <IT_Sean> No.
[21:47] * dmsuse throws it out the window
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> throw it my way :)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> Oh, not throwing the Pi out... )-:
[21:47] * IT_Sean catches it.
[21:47] * IT_Sean runs
[21:47] <IT_Sean> oh
[21:47] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[21:47] <Gadgetoid> SQL generally isn't a good idea :D
[21:47] <Gadgetoid> Ho ho ho
[21:47] <piless> can you set it up to reboot when it crashes?
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> I've got couchdb and redis running on my Pi
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[21:48] <Gadgetoid> piless: Yes
[21:48] * dmsuse sets it up to run in ram
[21:48] <bootc> piless: there is a watchdog, but I haven't tried it yet
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> piless: see my guide at the bottom of this page: http://rpi.dnsd.me:31415/
[21:48] <piless> farnell have just posted mine
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[21:49] <Gadgetoid> Bah, forgot to copy my debian chroot back to Pandora
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> Off to do that :D
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> must get a joystick connected to my Pi, I think.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> I think this will be on my mext skpang order: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/arcade-joystick-short-handle-p-893.html
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Use a megadrive controller for the awesome power :D
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[21:53] <Gadgetoid> Although that stick is very nice
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[21:53] <Gadgetoid> You could relive the classic vector arcade days, whee
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> well - I didn't put sprite handling into my BASIC for nothing you know...
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> although that's sprites and not vectors. I was rather good at asteroids in it's day...
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> http://www.consolepassion.co.uk/products/sega-megadrive/hardware/sega-megadrive-6-button-controller-loose
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> should I risk a tenner on it?
[21:57] <Gadgetoid> I bought mine from there
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> They were??? a little used
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> I had to pull them apart and wash all the plastic parts thoroughly
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> Then clean the contacts, re-grease and re-assemble
[21:59] <Gadgetoid> The results are pretty good, actually, the SNES controllers were worse 'cos the shoulder buttons were broken
[21:59] <Gadgetoid> You need a glut of spare GPIO to get one of those up and running though
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> I've never actually owned a console games machine.
[22:00] <Gadgetoid> 6 set to input, and 1 set to output with a 10k pull-up to switch the "Select" pin
[22:00] <Gadgetoid> Or was it 10k pull-down??? can't remember how I hooked it up now :D
[22:01] <Gadgetoid> then hook 3.3v to the +5V pin and all is golden
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll stick to my simple joystick :)
[22:02] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, it's a little easier
[22:02] <Gadgetoid> I might buy a 9-pin female connector and try to wire it up a little more robustly for giggles though
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[22:03] <Gadgetoid> I wish I didn't have to pay a fortune in delivery just to try out a shift register and other little bits, I'll have to try Maplin
[22:04] <n17ikh> yeah, sega controllers are nice since you can use the standard connector
[22:05] <n17ikh> I'm not sure where usb-to-SNES adapters get their female SNES controller plugs from..
[22:05] <Gadgetoid> They work nicely with other classic computers, too, as you get most of the buttons registering without needing to pulse the Select pin from high/low
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[22:06] <Gadgetoid> Same place the Retrode does n17ikh, a magical far away land of awe and wonder
[22:06] <n17ikh> I wonder if some chinese factory is making new connectors, or if they tear apart old consoles
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[22:07] <trevorman> probably making new connectors. the tooling is the expensive part and once they've got that then they can churn out millions of them.
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[22:07] <Gadgetoid> Matthias found "someone" in Hong Kong who supplies the connectors for $1 each
[22:08] <mkopack> n17ikh: check AllElectronics.com I seem to recall seeing those there at one point
[22:08] <trevorman> ez mode joypad on a uC is a wii classic controller anyway. its just I2C
[22:09] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: ohrly?
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[22:09] <Gadgetoid> Has anyone played with Bailisk II on their Pi yet?
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[22:10] <Gadgetoid> I have OS8 set up with networking on another device, for giggles
[22:10] <trevorman> yeah. you can buy little adapter boards to let you plug in a nunchuk/classic controller and it breaks it out to just regular 0.1" pins
[22:11] <n17ikh> or just cut up the cord
[22:11] <mkopack> Eh, never mind, doesn't look like they have it anymore??? I know I've seen that sort of thing where it was salvaged from the consoles
[22:11] <n17ikh> if you have an aftermarket one, they're really cheap.. I got a set (wiimode and nunchuck) for $10 or so
[22:11] <trevorman> adapter is cheap anyway https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9281
[22:12] <trevorman> mkopack: yeah. somebody out there does rip apart consoles to sell the individual parts. like all the "new" SIDs you see on ebay are pulls
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> do sparkfun ship OK to the UK?
[22:13] <n17ikh> same deal with the wii motion plus.. accelerometers and gyros in a box, over i2c
[22:13] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: yeah. they've got people who sell some of their stuff in the UK as well.
[22:14] <Gadget-Mac> Here for example http://proto-pic.co.uk/wiichuck-adapter/
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I've see their stuff at skpang & coolcomponents but not everything is carried..
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, but good to know they'll ship to the UK for us mere mortals :)
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[22:15] <Gadget-Mac> The guys at proto-pic will get stuff on-demand
[22:16] <trevorman> I've ordered from them before. Expect to get stung with import fees tho
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> yea )-:
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Not quite the Nixie tube watch I saw recently, but http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/bigtime-watch-kit-p-940.html looks fun ... (Not Pi either )-:
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[22:17] <trevorman> the under 17 GBP loophole is going away soon as well IIRC
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[22:18] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: http://www.calcwatch.com/
[22:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> taxes on component imports is the most profoundly horrible and wrong thing that could ever be conceived for industry in this country
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[22:18] <trevorman> that nixie watch will probably get you some not so tender attention from security at the airport :|
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[22:19] <n17ikh> I've had good luck with airport security and DIY electronics
[22:19] <n17ikh> even the ones that looked not-so-professional
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, ooh, retro :)
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remember personal organiser watches, and the classic casio TV-remote, ahhh
[22:20] <n17ikh> like the bare-PCB x86 SBC attached to a wooden board with its PSU zip-tied on that I carried in a laptop bag
[22:20] <trevorman> I had that tv remote watch! >.>
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Oh man... i remember those were the [censored] when i was in highschool.
[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Back before iPods and mobile phones put computers into everyone's hands, a geek could truly be recognised :D
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with being over 40 is that I need reading glasses ... )-:
[22:21] <trevorman> lol
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> so normal watches are a bit fiddly.
[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Recognised by constantly turning up the volume on the TV in class :D
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[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remember why I never did "apt-get install arduino" in my debian chroot before
[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> 180mb of java junk
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[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Java is a crime toward humanity
[22:23] <IT_Sean> lol
[22:23] <mkopack> whatever...
[22:24] <mkopack> Java is great???
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> ugh. that calcwatch uses a PIC. I don't like PICs even though my toaster probably has one in it.
[22:24] <mkopack> Perl - THAT is a crime against humanity
[22:24] <anish> java is terrible
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> actually my toaster doesn't have a micro in it, it has a mechanical timer, but you know what I mean..
[22:24] <anish> perl is more sorta waterboarding
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> Yea, lets all go back to AWK, SED and GREP ...
[22:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not supposed to use AWK and GREP?
[22:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn!
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> not supposed to use it? says who?
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh wait, t'other way 'round, yay
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[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I only use them to clean up stuff before I go manipulating it with regex and string operations in Ruby, sadly
[22:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> amazing how long 180mb of java tat takes to install on a device with shoddy wifi
[22:31] <chris_99> a7x, managed to get the kernel panic logged
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. Ebay # 360460806739
[22:33] <chris_99> does this kernel panic mean anything to anyone http://pastebin.com/j3gBhatf
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> that's the joystick for me :)
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[22:34] <plugwash> anyway good news: I managed to get binnmuing working in our hacked up version of wanna-build
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[22:35] <chris_99> can you compile a kernel with debug info
[22:35] <chris_99> so panics actually make sense?
[22:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> chris_99: is this your own kernel compile?
[22:36] <chris_99> nope
[22:36] <chris_99> this is from the debian
[22:36] <chris_99> one
[22:37] <FrankBuss> you could use ksymoops for a stack trace, if you have the System.map for the kernel
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[22:40] <chris_99> hmm debian doesn't seem to have that
[22:40] <chris_99> in the repo
[22:49] <FrankBuss> it was in Sid, maybe there are better tools nowadays, I used it some years ago
[22:51] <chris_99> according to http://code.metager.de/source/xref/raspberrypi-linux/Documentation/oops-tracing.txt it's not used anymore
[22:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, getting Arduino running on the pi was just an apt-get away??? now viewing it in an openbox vnc session
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[22:54] <FrankBuss> chris_99, thanks, so ignore my advice :-)
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[22:57] <bootc> chris_99: you want a kernel with debug symbols built-in, like my one :-)
[22:58] <bootc> chris_99: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/22/another-new-rpi-kernel/
[22:58] <chris_99> this is what i was wondering, bootc
[22:58] <chris_99> sweet, so you're saying i can just dpkg -i that
[22:58] <FrankBuss> right, this would be the best, because then you can see the function names in the stack trace, which helps a lot
[22:59] <bootc> it's also a kernel I can easily run gdb against to find which line of code is the culprit
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[23:01] <chris_99> bootc, so you compiled that with debug info?
[23:01] <bootc> yep
[23:01] <bootc> it doesn't make it that much bigger, or any slower, and it's bloomin' useful
[23:01] <chris_99> right, i'll give that a shot
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[23:02] <chris_99> do you have any information how you created that package, as that'd be very useful!
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[23:04] <bootc> chris_99: the .config is in /boot after you install it, I used a self-build Debian cross-compiler and make-kpkg
[23:04] <bootc> the source is on GitHub
[23:05] <chris_99> cool
[23:06] <FrankBuss> and if you don't want to build your own cross-compiler, which is not a trivial task, you could try this: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[23:07] <chris_99> do i have to do anything other than dpkg
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[23:07] <chris_99> cheers FrankBuss
[23:08] <bootc> chris_99: to install, it? just dpkg -i <pkg>, then depending on your RPi firmware you can just copy /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.18-rpi1+ to kernel.img on your boot partition
[23:08] <bootc> which in your case is probably also /boot
[23:08] <chris_99> ah ok :)
[23:08] <chris_99> this will really help me out!
[23:08] <bootc> but if you have the older firmware you have to get the first32k.bin file and that has to go in front of the kernel
[23:08] <bootc> I'd recommend you just upgrade the firmware while you're at it :-)
[23:09] <OneFix_Work> My expected ship date is now May 29th :)
[23:09] <OneFix_Work> Here's to hoping that they actually stick to the date
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[23:15] <chris_99> alas it didn't seem to like that
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[23:17] <bootc> chris_99: like what?
[23:17] <chris_99> the new kernel
[23:17] <chris_99> it didnt boot
[23:17] <bootc> OK, did you update your firmware?
[23:18] <chris_99> no, where do i find the right firmware?
[23:18] <GabrialDestruir> Any ideas why OpenELEC would be downloading corrupted thumbnails for TV Shows?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> what is the first32k.bin firmware and where is it normally kept?
[23:19] <Hopsy> Can someone read this: http://vr-zone.com/articles/via-announces-ultra-affordable-49-android-pc-we-go-hands-on/15949.html
[23:19] <Hopsy> I think raspberry pi is much better
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> saw that earlier, Hopsy ...
[23:19] <Hopsy> and cheaper
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> the big issue with it is the power consumption.
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[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Ow.
[23:20] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: this uses lower power?
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> 13.5W peak
[23:20] <Hopsy> and raspberry pi?
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> That's _truly_ shit.
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Hopsy: ~4W
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> Wait, what is this?
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi is drawing 14w?
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> EBEN LIED
[23:20] <RITRedbeard> CHILDREN DIED
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: the above via thingy
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> That just looks like a more expensive version of the Pi...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> and it's not giving you more - if anything.
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[23:22] <SpeedEvil> VGA out.
[23:22] <Hopsy> but its 720p instead of 1080p
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> where they actually put everything on one side.
[23:23] <GabrialDestruir> This says it has 1080p decoding
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> In principle - it should be upgradable in RAM easier than the Pi
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[23:24] <SpeedEvil> I do see little if any reason it's better than the Pi though.
[23:25] <GabrialDestruir> and it already has more ram
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[23:25] <Hopsy> SpeedEvil: like?
[23:25] <GabrialDestruir> The Flash Ram is just a hassle.
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> Hopsy: like?
[23:25] <FrankBuss> chris_99: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot copy anything to /boot, except kernel*
[23:25] <GabrialDestruir> But it does have a audio input.
[23:25] <Hopsy> which reasons
[23:27] <chris_99> cheers FrankBuss
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[23:30] <GabrialDestruir> I could see why it would be more convenient than a Pi, especially since it has VGA.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> VGA is of increasingly limited appeal.
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[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> True, DVI would of been better.
[23:32] <Syliss> vga sucks
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[23:33] <markus> i like displayport
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> VGA has it's uses....
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> Though it is becoming outdated.
[23:33] <D34TH> always good reusing the cable for custom mods
[23:34] <D34TH> no sense in wasting good cabling
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> there are still millions of VGA monitors in-use the wold over.
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> There's that too.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 here behind me - and I wish I could connect up one of them to the Pi.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> They're old enough to not have DVI, but they're perfectly fine 1280x1024 VGA monitors...
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[23:35] <ReggieUK> hmmmn
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[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> HDMI to VGA converter?
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[23:35] <D34TH> no such thing
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> they exist, but are expensive.
[23:35] <Syliss> hdmi to dvi to vga
[23:35] <D34TH> and hdmi->dvi-> vga borks also
[23:35] <ReggieUK> the pi needs a dirt cheap composite to vga converter
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D13&q=hdmi+to+vga+converter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=175535374329227509&sa=X&ei=Rwa8T-_NKaewiQKMmPjmDQ&ved=0CMABEPICMAE
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> Does exist
[23:35] <markus> i will actually use composite and connect it to an old tv
[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> and doesn't look too terribly expensive
[23:36] <plugwash> note to self: make sure xserver-xorg-dev is up to date as well as xserver-xorg-core :(
[23:36] <mjr> GabrialDestruir, "NOTE: Your Video card must support digital signal output through VGA port function."
[23:36] <Syliss> lol
[23:37] <plugwash> mjr, at least they are honest about it
[23:37] <plugwash> too many places sell these cables without making customers aware of their limitations
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/31446808/HDMI-To-VGA-Converter/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518|cat:31446808|prd:31446808
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> 55 quid.
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> It's still a converter.
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> Ah yea.
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[23:38] <mjr> now that price sounds more plausible :)
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> more than the Pi!
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> it splits out audio too.
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[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> thttp://www.google.com/products/catalog?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D13&q=hdmi+to+vga+converter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4650211324316379893&sa=X&ei=8Aa8T5TNG4i0iwK6x_TTDQ&ved=0COABEPMCMAM
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> Only about 20 quid.
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[23:41] <mjr> starts to be in the pi price range ;)
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[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> If you look around, you can find them for cheaper.
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[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Not much cheaper
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> Be aware that some of the $2 ones are not the same thing
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> In short - if it doesn't have a power supply, it's not going to work with the Pi.
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[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, but there are cheaper options if you don't jump to the highest priced option
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> Link?
[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Converter-Support-1080P-Output/dp/B0057UNQ18
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> $30 is about the cheapest I've seen
[23:45] <GabrialDestruir> and it's right in the pi price range
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> Err - that's the original one
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[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270376R
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> 12 bucks
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[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> Oh... that's a splitter, not a convertor
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> nvm
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[23:51] <FrankBuss> bootc: looks like the 32k kernel blob does still work with the latest firmware
[23:51] <bootc> FrankBuss: it does
[23:51] <bootc> well, only if you use the official first32k.bin
[23:51] <bootc> because it ignores it :-)
[23:52] <FrankBuss> ok, so I don't need imagetool.py script and can just use arch/arm/boot/Image?
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> is the first32k.bin something provided by the RPI foundation folks?
[23:54] <FrankBuss> yes, there was a thread somewhere that it simulates something what u-boot does when it loads a kernel
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> might have a go at building a kernel at some point.
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, well worth it
[23:57] <dmsuse> anyone here get a ralink wifi working on their pi :P ?
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> I normally build kernels for all my servers, etc. customised to their exact hardware...
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> always know you're up to date and don't need to rely on others to have the features you need enabled
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, yes
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, are you on debian and is it complaining about the firmware (check dmesg) ?
[23:58] <dmsuse> yeah i fixed that
[23:58] <dmsuse> but just not getting dhcp offers
[23:58] <dmsuse> is there a way to check if it connected okay? (correct pass) ?
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're authenticated and associated?
[23:58] <dmsuse> associated..
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[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> if you need to check, use iwconfig

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